How Close Are We to a Shooting War?

The left is already shooting. But there is no war until the other side starts shooting back.

Guy Benson just lets his liberal friends know that their support of Manson Family Helter Skelter terrorism is noted:

Guy Benson
@guypbenson
I'd like to ask my non-conservative followers to pay attention here for a moment. I don't need a response or a rebuttal or a 'whatabout.' Just read on and consider what I'm saying. Please.
We are only a few weeks removed from a leading conservative figure being shot in the throat and killed by a leftist, for and during his speech, at a public speaking event. Stunning, jarring numbers of leftist Americans justified or celebrated this assassination, aligning with multiple public polls showing that a sizable minority of leftists in this country think political violence can be acceptable.
Today -- just today -- many conservatives are thinking about:
(1) a major leftist statewide candidate being exposed for sending texts to a political opponent (R) explicitly hoping for the death of another conservative political opponent...along with the deaths of that opponents' young children. He WROTE DOWN that the pain of those deaths might promote his own agenda, which would be worth it, in his estimation. This candidate is now condemning his current conservative opponent for noticing this information.
And also (2) a development in the case of a leftist would-be assassin of a conservative Supreme Court Justice, who traveled across the country, heavily armed, with the stated intent of murdering up to three right-leaning Justices because he was angry about their abortion jurisprudence. The leftist judge in the case rejected prosecutors' request for a multi-decade sentence, giving the defense team the very lenient sentence they'd sought. The leftist judge, in her reasoning, cited the criminal's trans identity as a factor & expressed happiness that the assassination plot and its aftermath helped with the criminal's family therapy around the trans issue.
And also (3) yet another violent leftist attack -- this time an apparent ambush -- against federal immigration officers. This did not take place in Dallas, where a leftist sniper very recently went on a deadly spree while trying to murder as many ICE officers as possible. This one happened in Illinois, where the leftist governor just called these officers "jack booted thugs." Violent attacks on these federal agents (thugs, fascists, gestapo, per various leading leftist politicians) are up approximately *one thousand percent,* per DHS.
And also (4) a prominent university being pressured into reversing its attempt to shut down a conservative event commemorating the second anniversary of the Oct 7 terrorist massacre of Jews -- because, the school said, they were worried about the security situation around the event. They were referring, of course, to the violent Islamist-Leftist coalition pro-Hamas mob, which has engaged in harassment, threats, violence and murder ever since that mass slaughter.
AND YET, we see many of our leftist friends tweeting and posting about how *their opponents* are the "dangerous" and "authoritarian" "fascists."
I ask you to try to contemplate, even for a quiet moment or two, how this might strike many of us.
That's all for now. Thank you.

VDH:

In blue cities across America--Portland, Oregon, especially--often violent protesters now seek to surround ICE facilities to stop federal officers from fulfilling their assigned and legal duties of arresting illegal aliens.
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Left-wing protesters are swarming ICE headquarters in Portland to violently oppose all deportations, even those of known criminals and those who have already exhausted efforts to remain here illegally.
Why? The Democratic Party apparat knows that the public wants both secure borders and deportations of illegal aliens. Indeed, in part, it lost an election by its open-borders advocacy.
But Democrat officials feel that if street thugs like Antifa can surround and besiege ICE facilities in Portland, Oregon, then deportations will stop. Then, a de facto amnesty will follow for millions who entered the U.S. illegally--and will soon become Democratic constituents.
As a result, they do not fully enforce the law when thugs attack federal law enforcement. Antifa and its spin-off groups favor the night, when they try to block all entries and exits of ICE vehicles and personnel, and can commit their violence with greater anonymity.
The masked rioters assault anyone in their way. They count on exemption from punishment for committing violence against federal officers through the goodwill or indifference of kindred local and state officials who hate the Trump administration more than they respect the law. An Orwellian scenario follows in which federal officers are attacked by Antifa, which in turn counts on the non-intervention of local police.
Summed up: the city of Portland's armed officers are in a de facto proxy war with their federal counterparts--in our version of something out of 1860, on the eve of a real civil war.

Leftists are calling for secession/insurrection.

From a column in the U.K. Guardian,
Blue states should come together to declare an emergency. Here's how.
Ok. I'm all ears,
States opposed to Trump can create a compact -- a new prototype for American government -- even if it's perceived as political theater.
I'm no student of history, but I'm pretty certain that was tried right after the Ft. Sumter incident. The author refers to 1776, but his idea is straight out of 1861.
What kind of "compact"?

Like the founders, we should create a limited, invitation-only body -- an embryonic constitutional convention -- that the anti-Trump blue states exclusively set up for themselves, limit to themselves, and control.
Limited? Invitation only? Exclusively? May I remind readers that all of the Confederate states were blue states at the. time of their confederation.

Powerline said the left is trying to manufacture a "Kent State moment," where they provoke cops into shooting their Antifa street stormtroopers and the public, in their imaginings, sides with the Antifa terrorists and their Democrat Party funders/protectors.

They think a "Fort Sumter Moment" is more likely.

ANTIFA firebombed Berkely to stop a Milo event, Matt Walsh had trantifa show up, every conservative has to live and die by security protocols that "centrists" couldn't begin to imagine. Charlie Kirk was murdered. Yes, they want you dead. It's not hyperbole. https://t.co/5H51VmZloj
— Cernovich (@Cernovich) October 4, 2025

I want you to realize how crazy this is. She is saying the Federal government has no jurisdiction to protect Federal property. The last time someone tried to argue this was Fort Sumter https://t.co/5QV0uwImxb
— Napoleon Bonaparte Appreciator (@NapoleonBonabot) October 6, 2025

Posted by: Ace at 04:40 PM

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1 Too close for me

Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 04:42 PM (VE6XX)

2 maybe

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 06, 2025 04:42 PM (rvwwT)

3 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at October 06, 2025 04:42 PM (aCc6Y)

4 Heh. good job donna

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 06, 2025 04:42 PM (rvwwT)

5 Th

Posted by: 2 Dogs at October 06, 2025 04:44 PM (HcoTw)

6 What rough beast slouches forward to be born...

Posted by: I can feel it coming in the air tonight at October 06, 2025 04:45 PM (TLpVe)

7 This candidate is now condemning his current conservative opponent for noticing this information.

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"The penalty for First Degree Noticing must be DEATH! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

Posted by: ShainS -- The Sombrero Memes Will Continue Until Morality Improves! at October 06, 2025 04:45 PM (OlPPe)

8 "How Close Are We to a Shooting War?"

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Not close. Years -- *if* the Feds keep a lid on the jackassery from the Left.

Posted by: JM in Illinois at October 06, 2025 04:45 PM (JJE2e)

9 They are shooting at us right now.

Posted by: fd at October 06, 2025 04:46 PM (vFG9F)

10 I see in the left-o-sphere they are already assuming that judge's house burning down is a MAGA terror attack

And yes there is a bunch of "how can these terrible MAGA people engage in violence? I thought we were AMERICA!"

Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2025 04:48 PM (sKqQm)

11 It seems OrangeManBad is trying to attrit the fckers as much as he can, before... whatever.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 06, 2025 04:48 PM (ULPxl)

12 And you have always been so harsh to young Mr. Benson...

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 06, 2025 04:48 PM (A0sqA)

13 9 They are shooting at us right now.
Posted by: fd at October 06, 2025 04:46 PM (vFG9F)

Yes.. One did shoot up an ICE facility... Killed those he wanted to save... Missed ICE

Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 04:48 PM (VE6XX)

14 So, it's pouncing and seizing along with noticing??

Posted by: dantesed at October 06, 2025 04:48 PM (Oy/m2)

15 well, time to dig out the canoe...

Posted by: Sturmtoddler at October 06, 2025 04:48 PM (nXhwP)

16 They think a "Fort Sumter Moment" is more likely.
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Not really. The National Guard will not defy federal authority. These are state militias from back in the day who barely saw the state capital, let alone knew the rest of the country.

The standing army in 1861 was 16,000 troops, most of them spread along the western frontier. The bulk of latent combat power was in the state militias.

So whatever stupid deal Dem governors make, they have to back it up with something more than furries in ski masks.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 06, 2025 04:48 PM (ZOv7s)

17 My sense is that this is the thrashing of a dying animal, that it comes from a place of weakness, not strength.

Where is the vast majority of this shit playing out? Right outside ICE facilities in Portland and Chicago. Using the surrounding acceptance of their lawlessness to get away with stuff.

And the feds have been fighting back, picking up more and more with every excuse (spit on an officer? they're going to knock you down like here https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/
1975248723966910471).

It's the lone wolves like Robinson taking shots at people like Kirk that are the wild card, but they're also exceptions to the rule of anarchy right now, which is very safe and obviously performative.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:49 PM (GBKbO)

18 I see in the left-o-sphere they are already assuming that judge's house burning down is a MAGA terror attack

And yes there is a bunch of "how can these terrible MAGA people engage in violence? I thought we were AMERICA!"
Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2025 04:48 PM (sKqQm)

it's just such a tragedy...

but anyway...

Posted by: Sturmtoddler at October 06, 2025 04:49 PM (nXhwP)

19 14 So, it's pouncing and seizing along with noticing??
Posted by: dantesed at October 06, 2025 04:48 PM (Oy/m2)

Guilty as charged

Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 04:49 PM (VE6XX)

20 10 I see in the left-o-sphere they are already assuming that judge's house burning down is a MAGA terror attack

And yes there is a bunch of "how can these terrible MAGA people engage in violence? I thought we were AMERICA!"
Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2025 04:48 PM (sKqQm)

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Her TRO got overturned by the SC Supreme Court.

Why would someone be mad at that from our point of view and burn down her house?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:49 PM (GBKbO)

21 > From a column in the U.K. Guardian,

Ah, yes. The communist newspaper that's somehow constantly begging for money.

Shouldn't their "journalists" be working for free for the "good of society as a whole"?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2025 04:49 PM (qpyNK)

22 Again, wake me when we can start shooting back.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 06, 2025 04:50 PM (JnEe8)

23 Update: Judge Karin Immergut issued a new order just now blocking ALL National Guard from anywhere in the country from protecting federal property in Oregon. She said there is no justification for them being there.
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Fuck off Karin. You're not the Governor of Oregon, nor are you this nations Commander in Chief. You're just another bad example of what happens when we pretend how cool it is to be "inclusive".

Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 04:50 PM (TN0g+)

24 It's hard for me to imagine how meaningful a threat it is for the left to fight a hot civil war against American normies.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at October 06, 2025 04:50 PM (GD2xa)

25 Only one side is allowed to shoot.

Posted by: Frank Barone at October 06, 2025 04:50 PM (IifOV)

26 How close are we? If some Blue governor tries to mobilize their state guard or such against Federal agents and/or National Guard...and receives assistance from other states, or even foreign nations...that's the Rubicon. There is no coming back once that happens.

And I suspect it will happen. 18 months.

Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at October 06, 2025 04:51 PM (OUMaO)

27 I'd like to think it isn't that close yet. Just urban BS in a dozen cities or so that could be stopped in the Mayors wanted it stopped.
That said, I don't go anywhere unarmed.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 06, 2025 04:51 PM (2WIwB)

28 "How Close Are We to a Shooting War?"

It all depends on where you are located in the country. Here in Texas we are not seeing large scale anti-ice rioting. We just have lone wolf snipers shooting up illegals already in ice custody.

In chicago and portland we are seeing what amounts to full blown no bull$hit insurrection against the federal government.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 06, 2025 04:51 PM (0N4FZ)

29 24 It's hard for me to imagine how meaningful a threat it is for the left to fight a hot civil war against American normies.
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at October 06, 2025 04:50 PM (GD2xa)

They will starve to death before their organized militia gets around to firing their first shot.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at October 06, 2025 04:51 PM (GD2xa)

30 12 And you have always been so harsh to young Mr. Benson...
Posted by: San Franpsycho
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He is useless because he is trying to reason with people that already have decided he should die. Charlie Kirk should have taught him that.

What Benson is mewling about is to leave himself last on the list for tone policing the right all these years to his 'reasonable' leftist friends. Hint, there are none such. Only those that will lie to your face about their inner thoughts and those that openly tell you they want to kill you. Same dance as Ham Ass or back in the day, Sine Fein and IRA.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 04:51 PM (WDjG6)

31 They are shooting at us right now.
Posted by: fd at October 06, 2025 04:46 PM (vFG9F)
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If one looks at other societies that devolved into civil war, the next step is tit-for-tat assassinations, and that often includes judges.

The left seems full of giggles about this, but it will only need to happen once for them to lose their minds (and bowel control).

It is a good thing the right is showing restraint. We do not want to move further up the escalation ladder, no matter how satisfying it may sound.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 06, 2025 04:51 PM (ZOv7s)

32 If some Blue governor tries to mobilize their state guard or such against Federal agents and/or National Guard...
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Trump would just Federalize those troops in response.

Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 04:52 PM (TN0g+)

33 How close are we? If some Blue governor tries to mobilize their state guard or such against Federal agents and/or National Guard...and receives assistance from other states, or even foreign nations...that's the Rubicon. There is no coming back once that happens.

As soon as they try, Trump federalizes them and sends them to American Samoa.

Checkmate bishes!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 06, 2025 04:52 PM (JnEe8)

34 It's the lone wolves like Robinson taking shots at people like Kirk that are the wild card, but they're also exceptions to the rule of anarchy right now, which is very safe and obviously performative.

Everything the say and do is predicated on the rest of us respecting the rules to a fault. If it ever got serious and we took off the gloves, they'd melt away faster than an ice cream cone on Venus.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:52 PM (Riz8t)

35 I am not going to fedpost in this thread. Instead I will post good news
x.com/nicksortor/status/1975284472162742751
Multnomah County DA is not going to prosecute this guy. It helps that his name is Nick Sortor and not Bubba McNobody from east Oregon.

Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 04:53 PM (gKWVE)

36 >>Update: Judge Karin Immergut issued a new order just now blocking ALL National Guard from anywhere in the country from protecting federal property in Oregon. She said there is no justification for them being there.

Cute Judgement. Let's see you enforce it.

Posted by: garrett at October 06, 2025 04:53 PM (fd/UI)

37 Do coastal states have a naval version of the National Guard? Honest question.

Posted by: Bulg at October 06, 2025 04:53 PM (77rzZ)

38 I've been asking this since the 2020 election fraud.
Judging by the lack of fallout on the Left post Kirk assassination, I'd say nothing will happen.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 04:53 PM (xcxpd)

39 How close are we? If some Blue governor tries to mobilize their state guard or such against Federal agents and/or National Guard...and receives assistance from other states, or even foreign nations...that's the Rubicon. There is no coming back once that happens.

And I suspect it will happen. 18 months.
Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at October 06, 2025 04:51 PM (OUMaO)
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Do they have state guards? How often do they drill? Do they ever drill?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 06, 2025 04:53 PM (ZOv7s)

40 As a result, they do not fully enforce the law when thugs attack federal law enforcement. Antifa and its spin-off groups favor the night, when they try to block all entries and exits of ICE vehicles and personnel, and can commit their violence with greater anonymity.
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They have dropped the Equally-tough-on-Crime mask of the recent Dems.

January 6th!!! January 6th!!!!

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:54 PM (krQz2)

41 If it ever got serious and we took off the gloves, they'd melt away faster than an ice cream cone on Venus.
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Hey! Ixnay on the enusVa!

Posted by: Elon M. at October 06, 2025 04:54 PM (TN0g+)

42 Afternoon.

So I'm not of the opinion we're at Fort Sumter yet. I think there's a few more hoops what need jumping through. But at what point do some of the politicians...mayors, police chiefs, Maybe governors...start getting arrested for inciting insurrection? Or at what point does the Administration say, "Motherfuckers, I'm legally obligated to defend Federal facilities," and just ignore them entirely?

Posted by: Robert at October 06, 2025 04:54 PM (AbZD9)

43 I still stand by the statement that Fort Sumpter was a dick-move by the Union.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:54 PM (krQz2)

44 Odds Judge Karin (HA!) is harboring at least one illegal, or breaking other immigration law(s)?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 06, 2025 04:54 PM (ULPxl)

45 They have been openly treasonous for a while, it's not new. What's new is the lethality being introduced and accumulated both on individual and social levels.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 06, 2025 04:54 PM (A0sqA)

46 Karin, you are not the authority that makes that determination. Your personal opinion of whether the amount of crime justifies the deployment has no bearing on whether the man whose opinion on the matter actually is relevant has the authority to do so.

Posted by: tankdemon at October 06, 2025 04:54 PM (0Di4d)

47 It's been building since at least Wilson. But the open declaration of war was Barky saying "we are only five days away from fundamentally changing the United States". Apologists say he was only talking about economic policy , but his minions infest the courts and bureaucracy. They are leading the leftist charge.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 06, 2025 04:55 PM (pwtJC)

48 Do they have state guards? How often do they drill? Do they ever drill?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd

Texas has a State Guard. Are they armed? No idea. Never seen anything saying they are. They are more state level disaster relief.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 06, 2025 04:55 PM (JnEe8)

49 This Judge better hopes she's got a well above board Mortgage.

Posted by: garrett at October 06, 2025 04:55 PM (fd/UI)

50 But with yet-as-no seceded states, the Federal Court in Oregon is the fed's to defend.

Fort Sumpter doesn't compare.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:55 PM (krQz2)

51 I still stand by the statement that Fort Sumpter was a dick-move by the Union.
Posted by: Axeman

Yeah, but what about Fort Sumter?

Posted by: Bulg at October 06, 2025 04:56 PM (77rzZ)

52 if my hunch is correct there is a lot more concealed carry happening

Posted by: DanMan at October 06, 2025 04:56 PM (8uzBS)

53 I still stand by the statement that Fort Sumpter was a dick-move by the Union.
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Well, we're going to be in this thread for awhile--can you expound on that?

Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 04:56 PM (TN0g+)

54 I still stand by the statement that Fort Sumpter was a dick-move by the Union.
Posted by: Axeman

Yeah, but what about Fort Sumter?

I heard it was infested with hampsters.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:56 PM (Riz8t)

55 For fans of Long Life Death, my fear was at its most acute when Biden was in office, because at that point the correlation of forces was much more narrow. Would Florida or Texas National Guard units refuse orders to arrest their governors, or open the border? How would federal troops respond?

We have been spared that horror, and the spectacle we have now is of governors too cowardly to put their troops to the test and instead whining for judges to do it for them.

Not a great show of strength.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 06, 2025 04:56 PM (ZOv7s)

56 This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

Posted by: quote guy at October 06, 2025 04:57 PM (JPBiQ)

57 It's the lone wolves like Robinson taking shots at people like Kirk that are the wild card, but they're also exceptions to the rule of anarchy right now, which is very safe and obviously performative.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:49 PM (GBKbO)

He historical parallel was a gang of pro slavery attacking the free state capital at Lawrence KS in the mid 1850s killing several men and burning parts of the town. In response, John Brown and his group attacked southern sympathizing farmers in a different area and killed the same number of men near Ossowatomie KS. I have no sympathy for John Brown for this and after previous incidents the Kansas territorial governors used the army to put a lid on it to their credit. They tended to get fired by the Democratic presidents for that sort of thing.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 04:57 PM (8avO+)

58 never mind me, I'm enjoying my ice cream at 50 miles altitude in my Venus zeppelin

Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 04:57 PM (gKWVE)

59 War of Southern Butthurt before 100 posts?

Things really are heating up around here.

Posted by: garrett at October 06, 2025 04:57 PM (fd/UI)

60 I bought more 6.5 Creedmoor and .223, because there have been some good prices recently.

Just coincidence.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at October 06, 2025 04:57 PM (n9ltV)

61 If some Blue governor tries to mobilize their state guard or such against Federal agents and/or National Guard...and receives assistance from other states, or even foreign nations...that's the Rubicon. There is no coming back once that happens.

If any of this receives open, official assistance from other countries, I think that's when the tariffs on everything that comes from or goes through that country gets jacked up to 1000%. And maybe all exports to that country get forbidden.

These other countries know that Trump has no problem with punitive tariffs, so they have to at least be considering that effect.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at October 06, 2025 04:57 PM (a+4eV)

62 I would like it if the blue states secede. Then, after we kick their asses, we can disband the democrat party like we should have done in 1865.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 06, 2025 04:58 PM (0U5gm)

63 Texas has a State Guard. Are they armed? No idea. Never seen anything saying they are. They are more state level disaster relief.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 06, 2025 04:55 PM (JnEe

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So does Michigan and it's mostly a retiree association that meets once a year. I can't think of a single time they've been used.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 06, 2025 04:58 PM (ZOv7s)

64 I hope the Establishment GOP aren't surprised by this

@TVNewsNow 13m
🚨 BREAKING: Fox News Digital reports the FBI has revealed that former Special Counsel Jack Smith TRACKED private communications and calls of nearly a dozen GOP senators during the January 6, 2021, investigation.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2025 04:58 PM (mlg/3)

65 I still stand by the statement that Fort Sumpter was a dick-move by the Union.
Posted by: Axeman

Yeah, but what about Fort Sumter?

I heard it was infested with hampsters.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:56 PM (Riz8t)

it was federal land, ceded by the state voluntarily.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 04:58 PM (8avO+)

66 >>This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

I'm not fearing a Winter offensive.

Posted by: garrett at October 06, 2025 04:58 PM (fd/UI)

67 Judge Karin Immergut issued a new order just now blocking ALL National Guard from anywhere in the country from protecting federal property in Oregon. She said there is no justification for them being there.
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The Judge just set the precedent. I say we honor it...completely.

If the American people are barred from protecting Federal assets within that jurisdiction, then NO FEDERAL ASSETS SHOULD EXIST IN THAT JURISDICTION.

This includes the $19.9 Billion received by Oregon in fiscal year 2024. Not a penny more. Nothing, Nada, Nil, Zip, Zero, Non.

$19.9 Billion in federal money landed in Oregon in 2024.

Posted by: Orson at October 06, 2025 04:59 PM (dIske)

68
>>Democrat officials feel that if street thugs like Antifa can surround and besiege ICE facilities in Portland, Oregon, then deportations will stop.

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I would have thought this was insanely stupid, but it's not an unreasonable conclusion after decades of surrender, ineptitude, and inertia on the GOPe's part.

Sorry, kids. It's MAGA now.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 06, 2025 04:59 PM (XQ8QH)

69 Do coastal states have a naval version of the National Guard? Honest question.
Posted by: Bulg at October 06, 2025 04:53 PM (77rzZ)

They used to, but I think the last Oregon Naval National Guard got federalized before WWII and now everything on the water is either Coast Guard or Sheriff.

Boats are a hole in the water that you pour money on, whether you drink beer and bass fish or not. Oregon hasn't had spare money since the 20's.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 06, 2025 04:59 PM (rbvCR)

70
These other countries know that Trump has no problem with punitive tariffs, so they have to at least be considering that effect.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at October 06, 2025 04:57 PM (a+4eV)

Unless SCOTUS rules against Trump's Tariffs....

Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 04:59 PM (VE6XX)

71 ...Only those that will lie to your face about their inner thoughts and those that openly tell you they want to kill you. Same dance as Ham Ass or back in the day, Sine Fein and IRA.
Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 04:51 PM (WDjG6)
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Hey! I'm the cynic around here.

And, we need to win hearts and minds and we are winning. I was won over.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 06, 2025 04:59 PM (A0sqA)

72 With Europe in the mess its in, I wonder if its even paying attention to what's happening here.

Posted by: Megthered at October 06, 2025 04:59 PM (aqylp)

73 It's the lone wolves like Robinson taking shots at people like Kirk that are the wild card, but they're also exceptions to the rule of anarchy right now, which is very safe and obviously performative.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:49 PM (GBKbO)

I'm just not convinced that he is a lone wolf. I think he was groomed and sent, I think he had help and helpers and its mostly done online and, possibly, by people in the I.C.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 04:59 PM (xcxpd)

74 War of Southern Butthurt before 100 posts?

Posted by: garrett at October 06, 2025 04:57 PM (fd/UI)

In polite company it is usually referred to as "The War Of The Southern Rebellion," But "Butthurt" is okay too.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at October 06, 2025 05:00 PM (n9ltV)

75
My sense is that this is the thrashing of a dying animal, that it comes from a place of weakness, not strength.

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The House, Senate, SC and White House are no longer theirs. Their funding system is being dismantled. Their institutions (academia, journalism) have discredited themselves. Roe and Chevron are no more. The trans movement is ebbing as the damage becomes undeniable.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 06, 2025 05:00 PM (tgvbd)

76 @17 TJM, communism 101. Independent cells acting independently for a common goal. Robinson probably couldn't formulate a revolutionary thought beyond wearing a bunny suit , but his actions push the revolution.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 06, 2025 05:00 PM (pwtJC)

77 " former Special Counsel Jack Smith TRACKED private communications and calls of nearly a dozen GOP senators during the January 6, 2021, investigation."

This is heinous and I really really think
nothing will happen.

Posted by: fd at October 06, 2025 05:00 PM (vFG9F)

78 Between RICO and the Ku Klux Klan act of 1861, there should be no problem jugging these mooks for a long, long time.

If we have the will.

Note that the KKK Act specifically covers "going in disguise upon a public highway".

It also covers police (actually, "any person", which presumably includes mayors, governors, and congresscritters) who have the ability to prevent the named offenses against civil rights from failing to do so.

If someone dies as a result, it's a capital crime.

PPD and CPD may have to choose between their precious pensions and taking the Big Sleep.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2025 05:00 PM (qpyNK)

79 That 6.5 Creedmore is a flat shooting rifle.

Really nice plains gun. Antelope, Mule Deer and such.

Posted by: garrett at October 06, 2025 05:00 PM (fd/UI)

80 >>> 73 It's the lone wolves like Robinson taking shots at people like Kirk that are the wild card, but they're also exceptions to the rule of anarchy right now, which is very safe and obviously performative.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:49 PM (GBKbO)

I'm just not convinced that he is a lone wolf. I think he was groomed and sent, I think he had help and helpers and its mostly done online and, possibly, by people in the I.C.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 04:59 PM (xcxpd)

"plausible deniability"

*tee hee*

Posted by: see eye ay at October 06, 2025 05:01 PM (ULPxl)

81 73 It's the lone wolves like Robinson taking shots at people like Kirk that are the wild card, but they're also exceptions to the rule of anarchy right now, which is very safe and obviously performative.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:49 PM (GBKbO)

I'm just not convinced that he is a lone wolf. I think he was groomed and sent, I think he had help and helpers and its mostly done online and, possibly, by people in the I.C.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 04:59 PM (xcxpd)

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I suspect a more accurate description will end up being "lone cell" rather than lone wolf.

A small cell that decided to take action.

But there are a host of cells that could be doing stuff now and aren't.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 05:01 PM (GBKbO)

82 War of Southern Butthurt before 100 posts?

Things really are heating up around here.
Posted by: garrett at October 06, 2025 04:57 PM (fd/UI)
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I'm a Northerner and I back the Union in the whole thing.

I can still think that Fort Sumter was a dick move.

A bunch of Greta Thunberg reactions isn't going to change my mind.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:01 PM (krQz2)

83 I think the only question is what will it look like and when. J6 tells us the machinery of leftist entrenched government has no boundaries in the persecution of it's enemies. I could argue the leftist attempts go much further back...all the way to Clinton.

The nature of the battle will be entirely determined by who is in office when conservatives fight back. We saw the FBI go full stormtrooper without hardly a dissent under Biden. Bureaucrats, even nomically conservative ones, will bend a knee to a leftist leader, the only difference being how much they enjoy the task.

Posted by: Rando Calrissian at October 06, 2025 05:01 PM (FqkvB)

84 I still stand by the statement that Fort Sumpter was a dick-move by the Union.

Maybe. But the Rebs were stoopid enough to fall for it.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 06, 2025 05:02 PM (JnEe8)

85 The House, Senate, SC and White House are no longer theirs. Their funding system is being dismantled. Their institutions (academia, journalism) have discredited themselves. Roe and Chevron are no more. The trans movement is ebbing as the damage becomes undeniable.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
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One antifa professor at Rutgers has already fled the US and is teaching his courses via Zoom. Tells me that he feared being indicted and charged in short order but he cited death threats which is now the go to leftist deflection technique for covering bad deeds.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:02 PM (WDjG6)

86 85 One antifa professor at Rutgers has already fled the US and is teaching his courses via Zoom. Tells me that he feared being indicted and charged in short order but he cited death threats which is now the go to leftist deflection technique for covering bad deeds.
Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:02 PM (WDjG6)

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I saw that.

It's....interesting.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 05:02 PM (GBKbO)

87 Do coastal states have a naval version of the National Guard?

Uh, Coast Guard?

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at October 06, 2025 05:02 PM (ferl2)

88
Here is the text of the Insurrection Act, as currently in place:
https://is.gd/LGfiCk

Read Sec. 252 and 253. I think we're pretty much there.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at October 06, 2025 05:02 PM (w6EFb)

89 The House, Senate, SC and White House are no longer theirs. Their funding system is being dismantled. Their institutions (academia, journalism) have discredited themselves. Roe and Chevron are no more. The trans movement is ebbing as the damage becomes undeniable.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 06, 2025 05:00 PM (tgvbd)
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The next census will put the House and the Electoral College out of reach for the Dems for a decade, likely longer if trends continue. Honest elections will make it even worse, and cost them any hope in the Senate.

So yeah, it's a tantrum.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 06, 2025 05:02 PM (ZOv7s)

90 The left has successfully used violence for years why should they stop?

They have enough control of the FNM that it doesn't hurt them politically.

And while Trump/Bondi are making minor tepid actions to arrest the low level antifa thugs, the money men and leaders are free as a bird guilty as sin.

And for all the threats of a rightwing response in a tit for tat fashion there hasn't been right leaning political violence in 20 or so years.

And the funny thing will be if this does happen, if some legitimate right leaning politically active person does shoot some leftwing pundit or pol this won't be hurried out of the news like the Kirk assassination, this will get the Floyd news template...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2025 05:03 PM (sKqQm)

91 Creedmoor means only one thing. A gigantic psychiatric hospital.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 06, 2025 05:03 PM (A0sqA)

92 He's a lone wolf like MoMoMo with a rifle, explosive vest, and fervent belief in the righteousness of his jihad is a lone wolf.

Posted by: fd at October 06, 2025 05:03 PM (vFG9F)

93 Who would have thought that it was illegal aliens that would be the proximate cause of the second civil war?

*shakes head*

Posted by: EFG at October 06, 2025 05:03 PM (0Njxi)

94 OT: Nick Fuentes is done with Candace Ovens
safe link to JWhit~, black conservative
youtu.be/kn1mUq32KJ0

Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 05:03 PM (gKWVE)

95 I suspect a more accurate description will end up being "lone cell" rather than lone wolf.

A small cell that decided to take action.

But there are a host of cells that could be doing stuff now and aren't.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 05:01 PM (GBKbO)

Ah but then the next cell gets activated. And have, and will continue to have, a steady drip of killings and bombs all targeted against Conservatives and insitutions like churches. And on and on. It's low-intensity terrorism, right out of the IRA playbook.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 05:03 PM (xcxpd)

96 One antifa professor at Rutgers has already fled the US and is teaching his courses via Zoom. Tells me that he feared being indicted and charged in short order but he cited death threats

Yeah, Imma call BS on that. It sounds like the usual self-dramatizing hysterics from the left. I'm FIRST on Trump's list for the camps because I'm just so important!

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 05:04 PM (Riz8t)

97 Maybe Guy Benson's post on X would finally convince Dan Turrentine that there really isn't political violence taking place on both sides.

I wouldn't bet money on it, though.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at October 06, 2025 05:04 PM (tNeBz)

98 94 OT: Nick Fuentes is done with Candace Ovens
safe link to JWhit~, black conservative
youtu.be/kn1mUq32KJ0
Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 05:03 PM (gKWVE)

He figured out she's a woman?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 05:04 PM (xcxpd)

99 " former Special Counsel Jack Smith TRACKED private communications and calls of nearly a dozen GOP senators during the January 6, 2021, investigation."

This is heinous and I really really think
nothing will happen.
Posted by: fd at October 06, 2025 05:00 PM (vFG9F)
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You just can't get the other side shocked by any mistreatment of its domestic enemies.

After all, to them, the proof that Jack Smith did not do enough is that Donald Trump is back in office.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:04 PM (krQz2)

100 Texas has a State Guard. Are they armed? No idea. Never seen anything saying they are. They are more state level disaster relief.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 06, 2025 04:55 PM (JnEe
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So does Michigan and it's mostly a retiree association that meets once a year. I can't think of a single time they've been used.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 06, 2025 04:58 PM (ZOv7s)

Tornado / Flood damage to block off looters and clean up the wreckage some. Whitmer called them up this year for Ice Storms.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:04 PM (8avO+)

101 I suspect a more accurate description will end up being "lone cell" rather than lone wolf.

A small cell that decided to take action.

But there are a host of cells that could be doing stuff now and aren't.

And that cell is getting funding and general objectives from above.

But will Bondi and Trump be willing to arrest anyone outside of the actual shooter?

Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2025 05:04 PM (sKqQm)

102 Really nice plains gun. Antelope, Mule Deer and such.

Posted by: garrett at October 06, 2025 05:00 PM (fd/UI)

Very soft shooting too. I have had excellent results with Norma 143 grain.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at October 06, 2025 05:04 PM (n9ltV)

103 Within the next ten years. The bread and circuses will have to end. With the dollar losing the reserve currency status, things will spin out of control faster.

The main enemy is the money. Follow the money to cut off the heads othe snakes.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, Ltd. at October 06, 2025 05:04 PM (QkSg2)

104 Again, wake me when we can start shooting back.

Let me be clear: Shooting is NOT the way.

On a totally unrelated matter, hundreds of thousands of people die each year of drug overdoses, tens of thousands go missing and are never found again.

I also notice and totally unrelated, that despite the increased interest in hunting feral hogs, that their population keeps on increasing in unexplained ways.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 05:05 PM (nCgQz)

105 >>Multnomah County DA is not going to prosecute this guy.

So what is the likelihood that Sortor was arrested just to get him the hell out of there? For his good or just their convenience? Either way, just get the hell out??

Posted by: lurk at October 06, 2025 05:05 PM (7IOVT)

106 87 Do coastal states have a naval version of the National Guard?

Uh, Coast Guard?
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at October 06, 2025 05:02 PM (ferl2)

That's Federal.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 05:05 PM (xcxpd)

107 >>> 98 94 OT: Nick Fuentes is done with Candace Ovens
safe link to JWhit~, black conservative
youtu.be/kn1mUq32KJ0
Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 05:03 PM (gKWVE)

He figured out she's a woman?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 05:04 PM (xcxpd)

Nominated for comment of the week.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 06, 2025 05:05 PM (ULPxl)

108 : Nick Fuentes is done with Candace Ovens

Is he the guy that makes short form videos of him talking about the issue of the day while drinking a cup of coffee?

Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2025 05:05 PM (sKqQm)

109 >>He figured out she's a woman?

lol

Posted by: garrett at October 06, 2025 05:05 PM (fd/UI)

110 Ah but then the next cell gets activated. And have, and will continue to have, a steady drip of killings and bombs all targeted against Conservatives and insitutions like churches. And on and on. It's low-intensity terrorism, right out of the IRA playbook.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 05:03 PM (xcxpd)

IRA got real quiet and agreed to terms with the UK when the USSR went under.
For some reason.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 06, 2025 05:06 PM (rbvCR)

111 One antifa professor at Rutgers has already fled the US and is teaching his courses via Zoom. Tells me that he feared being indicted and charged in short order but he cited death threats

Yeah, Imma call BS on that. It sounds like the usual self-dramatizing hysterics from the left. I'm FIRST on Trump's list for the camps because I'm just so important!
Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 05:04 PM (Riz8t)

Death threats by leftists not turned in to sympathetic cops are ipso facto made up.

Dude probably is taking a vacation on university money.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:06 PM (8avO+)

112
If some Blue governor tries to mobilize their state guard or such against Federal agents and/or National Guard...
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Trump would just Federalize those troops in response.
Posted by: Crusader

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Who-all can Trump federalize? How far down?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 06, 2025 05:06 PM (XQ8QH)

113 > Uh, Coast Guard?
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at October 06, 2025 05:02 PM (ferl2)

The Coast Guard are regular full-time personnel.

The National Guard is (in theory) part-timers.

Although I did hear of one sign at a Guard base in Iraq that read "One weekend a month, my ass".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2025 05:06 PM (qpyNK)

114 Maybe. But the Rebs were stoopid enough to fall for it.
Posted by: rickb223

Yep. Casus belli done by fire eaters in the South that thought the North would not fight. If you read the letters of prominent fireeaters at the time and their recording of conversations with other such, that idiotic notion was prevalent among the fireeaters. But Lincoln's actions inflamed rather than diminished the crisis as well. Lincoln's early moves as president and president elect made Civil War worse and more bloody imho. And by that I mean his tactical decisions like trying to mobilize the troops of states bordering the original seceding states to go after their brethren. That undercut whatever peaceable Unionists in state legislatures that were dithering on secession from VA to TN to AR.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:06 PM (WDjG6)

115 Slowly, at first. Then all at once.

The hour is late, but not too late. Until it isn't. Prepare. Please.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 06, 2025 05:06 PM (CWNNg)

116 Now is the the time to get out of the cities if you can, even if you're in a red state. That's where it will get the worst.

Posted by: brak at October 06, 2025 05:07 PM (jGJov)

117 There is a need for urgency in quelling the left. The midterms are too soon upon us if we lose and haven't tamped down these actions. The Donald needs to focus on these issues ; I want everyone in his admin. to turn up the heat and faster. My attention is not on Gaza but on America's home grown hamas. It's go time Mr. President.

Posted by: Kingsman at October 06, 2025 05:07 PM (ehY6c)

118 But will Bondi and Trump be willing to arrest anyone outside of the actual shooter?

Not without a war time consigliere. Someone who spends their time, not in Fox studio green rooms, but working with Men of Action.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 05:07 PM (nAS9C)

119 Ah but then the next cell gets activated. And have, and will continue to have, a steady drip of killings and bombs all targeted against Conservatives and insitutions like churches. And on and on. It's low-intensity terrorism, right out of the IRA playbook.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 05:03 PM (xcxpd)

IRA got real quiet and agreed to terms with the UK when the USSR went under.
For some reason.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 06, 2025 05:06 PM (rbvCR)

The IRA's families were all getting welfare checks from the UK the entire time. Kept them from having to get a real job.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:07 PM (8avO+)

120 >>Very soft shooting too. I have had excellent results with Norma 143 grain.

Perfect for those shooters, like yourself, with Expressive Wrists.

Posted by: garrett at October 06, 2025 05:07 PM (fd/UI)

121 Arya Stark, we turn our lonely eyes to you.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 06, 2025 05:07 PM (ufFY8)

122 Maybe Guy Benson's post on X would finally convince Dan Turrentine that there really isn't political violence taking place on both sides.

I wouldn't bet money on it, though.
Posted by: Curly Shuffle at October 06, 2025 05:04 PM (tNeBz)

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If you saw the absolute feigned insult that David French showed over the last two nights at being called out by RedSteeze for both-sidesing everything since Charlie Kirk, you'll understand there's a tolerance point for BS that has been reached. And breached.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at October 06, 2025 05:08 PM (s4RAz)

123 I lol'ed, I admit.
I don't know how many women want to claim Candace but then, there are plenty of retards with Y chromosomes too.

Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 05:08 PM (gKWVE)

124 If blue states think a secession is going to happen along state lines, I have a nation-wide county electoral map to show them.

Posted by: Halfhand at October 06, 2025 05:08 PM (7adUC)

125 After 100 OT:

AmSpec has a superb article from a guy, who has learned from actual experience, as have I, that real HTG functional AI is here now, that it vastly improves productivity, and that it will inevitably replace white-collar workers en masse. It's not going to go away, and it will drastically change our career landscape, so we need to get ready. (Thank God, I'm retired!)

http://bit.ly/4gXRtd9

Posted by: gp at October 06, 2025 05:08 PM (qY2nQ)

126 119 Ah but then the next cell gets activated. And have, and will continue to have, a steady drip of killings and bombs all targeted against Conservatives and insitutions like churches. And on and on. It's low-intensity terrorism, right out of the IRA playbook.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 05:03 PM (xcxpd)

IRA got real quiet and agreed to terms with the UK when the USSR went under.
For some reason.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 06, 2025 05:06 PM (rbvCR)

The IRA's families were all getting welfare checks from the UK the entire time. Kept them from having to get a real job.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:07 PM (8avO+)

yes and yes, but the Brits went along with the peace terms rather than finishing the job. Terrorism works.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 05:08 PM (xcxpd)

127 Judge Karin?

Who bitch dis is?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at October 06, 2025 05:08 PM (vYgDJ)

128 @208 , that's Nick Freitas , I think he's a member of the VA legislature. Lost a congressional race to Spangenberger

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 06, 2025 05:08 PM (pwtJC)

129 Blonde Morticia,
"Clause 15. The Congress shall have Power * * * To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.

Clause 16. The Congress shall have Power * * * To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress."

And they delegated these powers to the President under the Insurrection Act and later laws such as the laws that created the National Guard.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:08 PM (WDjG6)

130 Tell me we're not gonna fight the Civil war again here...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 05:08 PM (VE6XX)

131 128 @208 , that's Nick Freitas , I think he's a member of the VA legislature. Lost a congressional race to Spangenberger
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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Yes when the magic usb stick labeled provisional votes was claimed to be actual votes. Freitas went from winning narrowly on election night to losing.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:09 PM (WDjG6)

132 Nick Fuentes is done with Candace Ovens
safe link to JWhit~, black conservative
youtu.be/kn1mUq32KJ0
Posted by: gKWVE

it is not exactly going to be remembered in history as a bright shining moment in wit and rhetoric, not much but ad hominem ranting

Posted by: n at October 06, 2025 05:09 PM (7neCS)

133 Again, Charlie Kirk was assassinated, saying he was murdered downplays the monstrosity that was perpetrated.

The left is imposing their moral vision, whether we like it or not.

Do conservatives have the courage to impose theirs?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 06, 2025 05:09 PM (hdV+w)

134 >>> 115 Slowly, at first. Then all at once.

The hour is late, but not too late. Until it isn't. Prepare. Please.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 06, 2025 05:06 PM (CWNNg)

Comrade Flounder Johnson is correct.

It might seem overwhelming; break things down into smaller goals and do *something* to get started. If nothing else, you'll be very comfortable when say, a winter storm knocks out your power for a week.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 06, 2025 05:09 PM (ULPxl)

135 115 Slowly, at first. Then all at once.

The hour is late, but not too late. Until it isn't. Prepare. Please.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 06, 2025 05:06 PM (CWNNg)

Yup. But frankly my focus in on family and friends now.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 05:09 PM (xcxpd)

136
>>One antifa professor at Rutgers has already fled the US and is teaching his courses via Zoom. Tells me that he feared being indicted and charged in short order but he cited death threats

----

"And now, Jake, we have a university professor hiding out in fear of his life as the President's threats escalate. What message does this send?"

Posted by: Blow-dried Anchorette at October 06, 2025 05:09 PM (XQ8QH)

137 Getting closer every day.
The Battle of Algiers to me is a bit further along but might be close how it could start.

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2025 05:09 PM (7YtcZ)

138 Jessica Tarlov says Trumps numbers on immigration are WAY DOWN because of all this!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 06, 2025 05:09 PM (63Dwl)

139 If blue states think a secession is going to happen along state lines, I have a nation-wide county electoral map to show them.
Posted by: Halfhand at October 06, 2025 05:08 PM (7adUC)
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Exactly.

If they try to secede by states, they are going to find out how brittle those states are, unlike the early 1800s.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:10 PM (krQz2)

140 I also notice and totally unrelated, that despite the increased interest in hunting feral hogs, that their population keeps on increasing in unexplained ways.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure

A pair of hogs can make a litter of ten in 110 days, those ten can make another litter of a hundred in another 110 days.

Three litters per year. They can breed faster than they can be shot.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 06, 2025 05:10 PM (0U5gm)

141 Who-all can Trump federalize? How far down?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 06, 2025 05:06 PM (XQ8QH)
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The National Guard are dual-use, so they are state-led, but receive federal funding and are able to be federalized.

State troops are fully state funded and not liable for overseas service. A bunch of them were created during WW II to guard bridges and power plants and such, also help with riot duties since the National Guard had been mobilized for war.

The first obstacle is that none of these 'troops' are equipped or really trained for combat, and would certainly refuse orders to engage the feds. Legality is kind of besides the point.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 06, 2025 05:10 PM (ZOv7s)

142 If I am not mistaken, the texts that got Jay Jones in hot water? The one where he is calling for the death of some kids?

They aren't new. They are about a decade old.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: EFG at October 06, 2025 05:10 PM (0Njxi)

143 Tell me we're not gonna fight the Civil war again here...
Posted by: It's

we're not gonna fight the Civil war again

Posted by: n at October 06, 2025 05:10 PM (7neCS)

144 138 Jessica Tarlov says Trumps numbers on immigration are WAY DOWN because of all this!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 06, 2025 05:09 PM (63Dwl)

Fox's own poll I believe... They are always bad...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 05:11 PM (VE6XX)

145 Jessica Tarlov says Trumps numbers on immigration are WAY DOWN because of all this!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 06, 2025 05:09 PM (63Dwl)
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That's my fear.

People who pined for "normalcy" in 2020 won't be in this for the long haul.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:11 PM (krQz2)

146 Tell me we're not gonna fight the Civil war again here...
Posted by: It's me donna

Aw come on, it's fun!

Posted by: Bulg at October 06, 2025 05:11 PM (77rzZ)

147
Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:08 PM (WDjG6)

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Thanks, Whig!

Posted by: Blow-dried Anchorette at October 06, 2025 05:11 PM (XQ8QH)

148 Who-all can Trump federalize? How far down?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 06, 2025 05:06 PM (XQ8QH)
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The bottom turtle.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:11 PM (krQz2)

149 MAE,

Depends on whether you consider that the Provo IRA failed in its stated goals of incorporating Northern Ireland into Ireland and establishing a commie dictatorship. In that, they failed. Sine Fein has also had its fortunes wither as a political wing of teh Provos.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:11 PM (WDjG6)

150 The Blue States effectively have no national leader, they have an oppressor that just wants to do whatever he can to destroy and loot them. This is dangerous.

Project 2025 is chomping at the bit for a Constitutional Convention; this plays right into their hands. If we had a normal functioning democracy this would be welcome to codify some rights we have taken for granted, but this is endgame for the destruction of country as things stand.

Enact state laws to make ICE's activities criminal, then arrest them on the grounds outside of federal purview. Arrest them and let the courts decide while drawing out time. Do the same for the Guard. Make people second guess following orders.

This. Trump may never be held accountable but the people following illegal orders his behalf absolutely can be.

Boycott Christmas spending! Last year Americans spent something like $900b in the fourth quarter. Cut that in half. Send corp America a powerful message.

If 9/11 happened today, MAGA would claim it was an organized terror attack from the radical Left and use it to declare war on blue states.

Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 06, 2025 05:11 PM (ycI94)

151
woops, sock.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 06, 2025 05:11 PM (XQ8QH)

152 >>> 124 If blue states think a secession is going to happen along state lines, I have a nation-wide county electoral map to show them.
Posted by: Halfhand at October 06, 2025 05:08 PM (7adUC)

I *almost* want to see it happen, to see the reactions of dipshits like Newsome, Pritzker et al when about 80% of the counties in their respective states tell them to fck off West Virginia style.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 06, 2025 05:12 PM (ULPxl)

153 Texas DPS has some very fast boats running up and down the Rio Grande. With aerial support even.

Posted by: DanMan at October 06, 2025 05:12 PM (8uzBS)

154 114 Maybe. But the Rebs were stoopid enough to fall for it.
Posted by: rickb223

Yep. Casus belli done by fire eaters in the South that thought the North would not fight. If you read the letters of prominent fireeaters at the time and their recording of conversations with other such, that idiotic notion was prevalent among the fireeaters. But Lincoln's actions inflamed rather than diminished the crisis as well. Lincoln's early moves as president and president elect made Civil War worse and more bloody imho. And by that I mean his tactical decisions like trying to mobilize the troops of states bordering the original seceding states to go after their brethren. That undercut whatever peaceable Unionists in state legislatures that were dithering on secession from VA to TN to AR.
Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:06 PM (WDjG6)

Sumter did unite the South, which was what some fire eaters wanted to. Both sides got what they wanted....and it blew the conflict up into full on war. Which...once you're shelling troops, you're in one.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 05:12 PM (xcxpd)

155 142 If I am not mistaken, the texts that got Jay Jones in hot water? The one where he is calling for the death of some kids?

They aren't new. They are about a decade old.

Just sayin'.
Posted by: EFG

2022 is now a decade?
Your Maths suck and your reasoning is retarded.

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at October 06, 2025 05:12 PM (/HRQ5)

156 So what is the likelihood that Sortor was arrested just to get him the hell out of there? For his good or just their convenience? Either way, just get the hell out??

That is somewhat reasonable. Back in my misspent youth, I went down to a bad area of Dallas and a black DPD rolled up and escorted me out of the area telling me I was not welcome.

He didn't do it out of malice towards me. He was looking to make sure that they wouldn't have to be back later to stretch out yellow tape.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 05:12 PM (nAS9C)

157 Lincoln's early moves as president and president elect made Civil War worse and more bloody imho. And by that I mean his tactical decisions like trying to mobilize the troops of states bordering the original seceding states to go after their brethren. That undercut whatever peaceable Unionists in state legislatures that were dithering on secession from VA to TN to AR.
Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:06 PM (WDjG6)

TN unionists were very loyal, which is why the South hung them for sabotage. They were just too far in. VA took more than half the states voting population away north IIRC. The state had not redistricted in about 40 years so their voting power was negligible. Lincoln had more important things to do by holding MD and KY and MO.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:12 PM (8avO+)

158 > Who-all can Trump federalize? How far down?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 06, 2025 05:06 PM (XQ8QH)

As far as I know, in a declared national emergency the President can draft *anybody*, whether they're in the Guard or not.

Under the War Powers Act, he'd need Congressional approval to keep them on duty for more than 60 days, but 60 days should be long enough to accomplish quite a bit.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2025 05:12 PM (qpyNK)

159 We also could be along following the Spanish Civil War, except the Communists are the ones starting the war

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2025 05:12 PM (7YtcZ)

160 From a column in the U.K. Guardian,

I'm thinking tha you guys have far more to worry about with Achmed and Mohammed than to concern yourselves with what Blue or Red states are doing.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 06, 2025 05:12 PM (2WIwB)

161 149 MAE,

Depends on whether you consider that the Provo IRA failed in its stated goals of incorporating Northern Ireland into Ireland and establishing a commie dictatorship. In that, they failed. Sine Fein has also had its fortunes wither as a political wing of teh Provos.
Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:11 PM (WDjG6)

Fair point but they did eject the British Army, at least by all optics.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 05:13 PM (xcxpd)

162
The president can federalize anything that counts as the "militia". I think, per the Insurrection Act, that would include state guard type forces.

It would not include state LEO. The president, even under the sections of the Insurrection Act couldn't take over LEO. He could certainly use the "militia" to take over, declare martial law, but he can't "commandeer" LEO, if I understand things correctly.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at October 06, 2025 05:13 PM (w6EFb)

163 People who pined for "normalcy" in 2020 won't be in this for the long haul.
Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:11 PM (krQz2)

Makes me nervous too... If the Dems take the midterms all bets are on impeachment proceedings and nothing getting done...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 05:13 PM (VE6XX)

164 If blue states think a secession is going to happen along state lines, I have a nation-wide county electoral map to show them.

it is not happening, if it happens along county lines either, street by street, house by house, bosniaish

Posted by: n at October 06, 2025 05:13 PM (7neCS)

165 "They aren't new. They are about a decade old.

Just sayin'."

2022 is a decade ago?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 06, 2025 05:14 PM (ix8EF)

166
This. Trump may never be held accountable but the people following illegal orders his behalf absolutely can be.

Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 06, 2025 05:11 PM (ycI94)
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The left keeps going on about "illegals orders" yet I've seen not a single one them provide an example of an "illegal orders.'

Weird.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 05:14 PM (tT6L1)

167 I don't anticipate John Q. Citizen firing on antifa blackshirts.

Posted by: Don Black at October 06, 2025 05:15 PM (AOsQT)

168 The polls on immigration are horse shit.

Jessica Tarlov is a c*****g.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 06, 2025 05:15 PM (hdV+w)

169 We also could be along following the Spanish Civil War, except the Communists are the ones starting the war
Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2025 05:12 PM (7YtcZ)

Or Lebanon where the country is essentially divided into de facto sections.

Either way, if and when the gloves come off, it will get ugly.
Prepare now. Stock up now. And be damned sure of which neighbors you can trust.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 06, 2025 05:15 PM (2WIwB)

170 Perfect for those shooters, like yourself, with Expressive Wrists.

Posted by: garrett at October 06, 2025 05:07 PM (fd/UI)

lol

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 06, 2025 05:15 PM (CWNNg)

171 Tell me we're not gonna fight the Civil war again here...
Posted by: It's

we're not gonna fight the Civil war again
Posted by: n at October 06, 2025 05:10 PM (7neCS)

Chances that an entire state would go out enough for it to be a Civil War as supposed to an insurrection is about 0. And most of even blue states would not follow them out.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:15 PM (8avO+)

172 also OT (we're probably getting a thread on it)
-Michael Kelly
-Lindsey Graham
-William Hagerty
-Joshua Hawley
-Daniel Sullivan
-Thomas Tuberville
-Ronald Johnson
-Cynthia Lumis
-Marsha Blackburn
... were all SPIED ON. by the FBI. memo 9.27.2023. Arctic Frost

Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 05:15 PM (gKWVE)

173 124 If blue states think a secession is going to happen along state lines, I have a nation-wide county electoral map to show them.

_____

Yup... there are no blue states, only blue cities. They are positioned in the worst strategic situation in the history of war. When their water, power and food get cut off, they will be beging to negotiate in a couple of days. I would wait a few months to make sure they get the message

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at October 06, 2025 05:16 PM (vYgDJ)

174 We also could be along following the Spanish Civil War, except the Communists are the ones starting the war
Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2025 05:12 PM (7YtcZ)
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No, they started that one, too. The murder of Jose Calvo Sotelo by a uniformed policeman - who went unpunished - was the final act in a long train of aggressions against the rule of law. That was what convinced the generals to proceed with the July Rising. Franco was apolitical, but that pushed him over the line.

The rallying cry was to restore the Republic, btw. It was the Reds who wanted a revolution.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 06, 2025 05:16 PM (ZOv7s)

175 Federal government has supremacy over district judges. Keep the national guard in Portland and make a few arrests. So far I’m not seeing the Law and Order that I voted for. Dems are not on trial yet. RICO Antifa would be nice.

Posted by: High tech at October 06, 2025 05:16 PM (37cEZ)

176 >>>Three litters per year. They can breed faster than they can be shot.

ICE is doing all they can

Posted by: brak at October 06, 2025 05:16 PM (jGJov)

177 C'mon Dan! get on facebook! they said, you can stay in touch! they said

They aren't new. They are about a decade old.

Posted by: DanMan at October 06, 2025 05:16 PM (8uzBS)

178 An appellate court said NG troops could very much be used in LA. Now this cvnt says they can’t be used in Portland?

If she can ignore appeals courts then Trump needs to ignore her.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 06, 2025 05:16 PM (wrRTB)

179 Shorter EFG: Nothing wrong with the texts, because 10 years washes them clean of all sin!

Idiot.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 05:16 PM (tT6L1)

180 ... well, kind of on-topic, since it follows weft's comment.

Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 05:16 PM (gKWVE)

181 Jessica Tarlov says Trumps numbers on immigration are WAY DOWN because of all this!

Oh NO! I guess we will just have to accept the invasion and watch the country collapse.

Since when does doing the Right Thing have to be popular?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 05:16 PM (nAS9C)

182 167 I don't anticipate John Q. Citizen firing on antifa blackshirts.
Posted by: Don Black at October 06, 2025 05:15 PM (AOsQT)

Well the cops won't.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 05:16 PM (xcxpd)

183
What he could do is something like this. Suppose POTUS invoked the Insurrection Act, Sec 253. Breakdown of law and order. He calls up the "militia" to restore law and order.

He could tell state and local LEO: Hey guys, I can't federalize you, but your state authority is kaput under Sec. 253. You can resign your offices, and join up with us under this special federal control program I just created. You will continue do your job as it is, but under federal authority.

He could do something like that, but it would be up to each LEO whether to "join" or not.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at October 06, 2025 05:16 PM (w6EFb)

184 Again, Charlie Kirk was assassinated, saying he was murdered downplays the monstrosity that was perpetrated.

The left is imposing their moral vision, whether we like it or not.

Do conservatives have the courage to impose theirs?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 06, 2025 05:09 PM (hdV+w)
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I do. Which is why I campaign against conservatives using words like "Right" and Marx's coined word "Capitalism".

"Right" is just the complement of the Rousseau-ian cum Marxist self-designated Left. It's been used to tie a ribbon from nightmarish authoritarian states like fascism to near-anarchical advocacy.

And we have a better word that "Capitalism" in "Free". Free economy, free markets, free.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:17 PM (krQz2)

185 Lindsey's going to give the FBI such a pinch!

Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 05:17 PM (gKWVE)

186 130 Tell me we're not gonna fight the Civil war again here...
Posted by: It's me donna
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Other side always gets a vote. But unlike teh ACW, I don't see apart from the core leftists any enthusiasm over such on the moderates and right.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:17 PM (WDjG6)

187 Shorter EFG: Nothing wrong with the texts, because 10 years washes them clean of all sin!

Sin has a half-life.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 05:17 PM (nAS9C)

188 > It would not include state LEO.

I think it could.

Under current law, the militia of the United States is divided into two categories: the "organized" militia (National Guard) and the "unorganized" militia, which consists of all able-bodied male citizens between 18-45.

The President has broad powers for calling out the militia during a national emergency.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2025 05:17 PM (qpyNK)

189
Jessica Tarlov says Trumps numbers on immigration are WAY DOWN because of all this!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

==============

I think that's easily the main motive, despite VDH's idea that they think it's actually going to affect policy (i.e., deportations will stop).

The ugly protests are designed for clips and images of armed feds pinning down screaming women, smoke bombs, rows of officers pushing people with signs away from federal facilities, etc.

"It's brought nothing but chaos!" the centrists will wail. "Our streets are running with blood! The violence is intolerable!"

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 06, 2025 05:18 PM (XQ8QH)

190 IMHO, Secession was a dumb move. It pissed off a lot of Northerners who didn't give a flying fig about slavery, but did not want the country broken up.

And the South could've stonewalled for years on the slavery issue, as it was indirectly acknowledged in the Constitution. The South held the Constitutional high ground on the issue.

Posted by: Bulg at October 06, 2025 05:18 PM (77rzZ)

191 As I commented in the last thread, I think all these issues were settled back in the 60s, the 1860s!

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at October 06, 2025 05:18 PM (wZlsB)

192 An appellate court said NG troops could very much be used in LA. Now this cvnt says they can’t be used in Portland?

If she can ignore appeals courts then Trump needs to ignore her.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 06, 2025 05:16 PM (wrRTB)

The lib appointed judges are tripping over themselves trying to stymie Trump. It would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 06, 2025 05:18 PM (2WIwB)

193 I don't anticipate John Q. Citizen firing on antifa blackshirts.

Posted by: Don Black at October 06, 2025 05:15 PM (AOsQT)
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They'd be the only ones arrested in a blue city. I think that's pretty evident by now.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:18 PM (krQz2)

194 Jessica Tarlov got her lefty butt spanked, hard, by Gutfield, twice, on national tv.

She obviously is incapable of learning anything.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 05:18 PM (tT6L1)

195 I do. Which is why I campaign against conservatives using words like "Right" and Marx's coined word "Capitalism".

I was reading some lefty articles from the 90s and was amused to see them using the term "late stage capitalism". They've been calling it late stage now for at least 30 years...

Capitalism is just another word for "free"

Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2025 05:18 PM (sKqQm)

196 We're still over a year from the midterms. The amount of stuff being dumped by the government will result in indictments. If the economy begins to hum, especially because of the big change in energy policy the Republicans should win. At the moment the Dems are immolating themselves, keep pushing

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 06, 2025 05:18 PM (pwtJC)

197 On LinkedIn someone posted how they live in Portland and all the stories about ICE riots are lies. You see it’s all right wing media made up stuff. The protests are peaceful and it’s I E that is causing all the problems.

And then he got a ton of “yeah totally bro” comments.

1/2 the country is batshit insane. We need a divorce yesterday.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 06, 2025 05:18 PM (wrRTB)

198 EFG's main mistake is in saying "just sayin'". Please never say that.

Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 05:18 PM (gKWVE)

199 > I would wait a few months to make sure they get the message

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at October 06, 2025 05:16 PM (vYgDJ)

It wouldn't take that long.

There would be food riots in three days, cannibalism within a week.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2025 05:19 PM (qpyNK)

200 “My sense is that this is the thrashing of a dying animal, that it comes from a place of weakness, not strength.”

My sense as well.

Posted by: Squid at October 06, 2025 05:19 PM (ouErq)

201 Fair point but they did eject the British Army, at least by all optics.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Win the battle but lose the war. History is full of those and now the dwindling provos remaining are basically criminal drug dealers not heroes much anymore to their communities.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:19 PM (WDjG6)

202 And the South could've stonewalled for years on the slavery issue, as it was indirectly acknowledged in the Constitution. The South held the Constitutional high ground on the issue.

Posted by: Bulg at October 06, 2025 05:18 PM (77rzZ)
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Taney kind of upped the ante when he said that no state could forbid the keeping of slaves.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:19 PM (krQz2)

203 State troops are fully state funded and not liable for overseas service. A bunch of them were created during WW II to guard bridges and power plants and such, also help with riot duties since the National Guard had been mobilized for war.

The first obstacle is that none of these 'troops' are equipped or really trained for combat, and would certainly refuse orders to engage the feds. Legality is kind of besides the point.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 06, 2025 05:10 PM (ZOv7s)

State and Private raised troops were federalized all the time. PA had raised more troops than the federal request and kept them on as the Penn. Reserves which were federalized somewhat later. The south used similar tactics for itself.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:20 PM (8avO+)

204 I do hope I'm wrong. I'm in about as asstastic position as is possible short of being in a big city in Blue territory (and the city I'm in is kinda cerulean, if ya catch my drift). I got enough problems without things going generally kinetic.

At least hold off long enough to get a clean bill of health and GTFO of this shithole city...somehow.

Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at October 06, 2025 05:20 PM (OUMaO)

205
Since when does doing the Right Thing have to be popular?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure

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Since we need to win elections, and even stupid, impressionable people get to vote.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 06, 2025 05:20 PM (XQ8QH)

206 Chances that an entire state would go out enough for it to be a Civil War as supposed to an insurrection is about 0. And most of even blue states would not follow them out.

we have properties in SW Illinois, in the small towns it is the same as what we have in Texas. They don't like Chicago politics owning them.

Posted by: DanMan at October 06, 2025 05:21 PM (8uzBS)

207 43 I still stand by the statement that Fort Sumpter was a dick-move by the Union.

Not necessarily. Depending on your Union/CSA sympathies, Ft. Sumter could be seen as a "Heads I win, Tails you lose" move by Lincoln. If the secessionists permitted the Union to hold AND reinforce Federal forts in the rebelling states, the South would have been admitting Federal jurisdiction and leaving themselves open to the Feds shutting down vital foreign trade. If the secessionists did as they ended up doing and fired on Sumter, they could be cast as the aggressors. Of course, neither side thought in April 1861 that war would drag on for 4 years.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at October 06, 2025 05:21 PM (uY1j2)

208 Since when does doing the Right Thing have to be popular?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 05:16 PM (nAS9C)
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In our system, it's going to need to survive the midterms.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:21 PM (krQz2)

209 Mt G-g-g grandfather was called out for the militia in 1838 for the Mormon War in Missouri.
3 people died... 2 "saints' and one gentile.

Posted by: MkY at October 06, 2025 05:22 PM (cPGH3)

210 I'm not a great history student, but I want to put my 2¢ in here for some reason.

In the US Civil War, there was a strong division between the Union and the Confederacy, defined large blocks of territory. In WW2, again, the territorial lines were drawn.

In the current USA, just looking at the Red/Blue county maps, we can see that the rebel territories are big-city enclaves. The "blue states" are primarily that way because of those big city criminal regions. There shouldn't be a great threat of the insurrectionists overwhelming the red-blooded and well-armed Americans.

The territories that have been allowed to smolder for decades have to be (and are being, finally) confronted, the brush fires extinguished, but it's hard to imagine them turning into a nation-wide raging firestorm, if law and order are strongly enforced where currently needed.

The memes of the well-armed Americans well prepared for defense against the weak-limbed commie gangs ring very true to me.

Living in rural Oklahoma, where the sound of gunfire happily means hunters or neighbors' target practice and the roaring military jets overhead are from nearby AF bases, I may be overly optimistic.
🤠 My 2¢, tax-free.

Posted by: mindful webworker - jus' sayin' at October 06, 2025 05:22 PM (fevhA)

211 Perfect for those shooters, like yourself, with Expressive Wrists.

Posted by: garrett at October 06, 2025 05:07 PM (fd/UI)

Croc-boy just can't get enough abuse....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at October 06, 2025 05:22 PM (n9ltV)

212 Oops 1833 was the Mormon War.

Posted by: MkY at October 06, 2025 05:22 PM (cPGH3)

213 Taney kind of upped the ante when he said that no state could forbid the keeping of slaves.
Posted by: Axeman

Taney had a big sandwich of poo served to him.
What would have been a better decision? Maybe say "we are the third branch and we demand the first branch - that's you, you cowards in the House and Senate - pass some legislation on this issue RIGHT NOW because we don't want to be stuck holding this sandwich of poo which we can't enforce".
But I don't know how that works Constitutionally.

Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 05:23 PM (gKWVE)

214 194 Jessica Tarlov got her lefty butt spanked, hard, by Gutfield, twice, on national tv.

She obviously is incapable of learning anything.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 05:18 PM (tT6L1)

She's the designated villian and every great tv show had one. Dynasty would have sucked with out Alexis.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 06, 2025 05:23 PM (TmEds)

215 Good news! Greta Thunberg has set sail from Georgian Bay and will soon arrive in Chicago with her Anti-Trump Flotilla!

Posted by: JB Pritzger at October 06, 2025 05:23 PM (9nZO5)

216 Since when does doing the Right Thing have to be popular?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure

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Since we need to win elections, and even stupid, impressionable people get to vote.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 06, 2025 05:20 PM (XQ8QH)
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Yup. Weak-kneed and media-fatigued people get to vote.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:23 PM (krQz2)

217 212 Oops 1833 was the Mormon War.
Posted by: MkY at October 06, 2025 05:22 PM (cPGH3)

I misread this as Moron War.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 06, 2025 05:24 PM (TmEds)

218 Of course, neither side thought in April 1861 that war would drag on for 4 years.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at October 06, 2025 05:21 PM

Yep. lincoln put out musters for volunteer troops for 90 days of service because he thought it was going to be a short cake walk and the south would cave at the first shots being fired. In retrospect that was a literal pipe dream.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 06, 2025 05:24 PM (0N4FZ)

219 I was reading some lefty articles from the 90s and was amused to see them using the term "late stage capitalism". They've been calling it late stage now for at least 30 years...

Capitalism is just another word for "free"
Posted by: 18-1
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Not quite, traditional Marxist theory had late stage capitalism as a massive concentration of wealth in the dwindling oligarch class and economic competition dwindling as profits shrank forcing massive consolidation into oligopolies or monopolies. All of that was occurring in the 80's and 90's around them. Some of them worried about the effects of global trade and such but looking solely at domestic economies, they thought the collapse of the ancien regime was shortly at hand.

Globalism destroyed that particular plan of socialism in one state so while free markets adapted somewhat, so did the commies into trying to use the global power of the US to force "Open Societies" and that eventually came home with Obama. That was their new plan until Trump.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:24 PM (WDjG6)

220 Since we need to win elections, and even stupid, impressionable people get to vote.

Yeah, the economy has turned around, inflation is near zero, gasoline and food prices have dropped, housing is returning to be affordable, we aren't fighting any wars...

but damn-it, i want more illegal aliens raping and murdering people and I want to be priced out of living and desperate again!

WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THREATEN ME FOR NOT WEARING A MASK?!?1!

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 05:24 PM (nAS9C)

221 And the South could've stonewalled for years on the slavery issue, as it was indirectly acknowledged in the Constitution. The South held the Constitutional high ground on the issue.

Posted by: Bulg at October 06, 2025 05:18 PM (77rzZ)
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Taney kind of upped the ante when he said that no state could forbid the keeping of slaves.
Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:19 PM (krQz2)

Totally unforced error, as even pro slavery zealots looked west and saw little land for plantation slavery in Arizona and New Mexico. Research into fertilizer to fix cotton's propensity for exhausting the soil and a settlement with free soil northerners would have taken some starch out of Northern Agitation.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:24 PM (8avO+)

222 bunches of stupid stuff happened to get the civil war to happen, no need to do that again.

Posted by: n at October 06, 2025 05:24 PM (7neCS)

223 Posted by: mindful webworker - jus' sayin' at October 06, 2025 05:22 PM (fevhA

Thanks for your analysis.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 06, 2025 05:25 PM (uA11f)

224 Taney kind of upped the ante when he said that no state could forbid the keeping of slaves.
Posted by: Axeman

Taney could have just issued a holding that Dred Scott didn't have standing, because he was not a citizen, and left it at that.

But noooo. He had to run his slavery-lovin' mouth. Idiot.

Posted by: Bulg at October 06, 2025 05:25 PM (77rzZ)

225 AND the south shall ri..... nevermind.

Posted by: Kingsman at October 06, 2025 05:25 PM (ehY6c)

226 They aren't new. They are about a decade old.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: EFG at October 06, 2025 05:10 PM (0Njxi)
143 Tell me we're not gonna fight the Civil war again here...

So there's a statute of limitations on being a psychotic piece of shit?

Posted by: front toward enemy at October 06, 2025 05:25 PM (TIizU)

227 How close are we? Depends…

… if I go by what I read on Twitter/X, I’d say tomorrow. If I go by my everyday interactions with the public in the real world, I’d say never.

Posted by: weew at October 06, 2025 05:26 PM (S4IL1)

228 > In our system, it's going to need to survive the midterms.
Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:21 PM (krQz2)

There's precedent for this, too.

After the (First? jeez....) US Civil War, former Confederates were stripped of their civil rights for several years, including the rights to vote and hold office.

The amount of time varied by state.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2025 05:26 PM (qpyNK)

229 Wow... Maine... Woman opened her Amazon order and also got 250 unmarked ballots for their next election.

Uhhhh...wow...

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 06, 2025 05:26 PM (mP0Kj)

230 196 We're still over a year from the midterms. The amount of stuff being dumped by the government will result in indictments. If the economy begins to hum, especially because of the big change in energy policy the Republicans should win. At the moment the Dems are immolating themselves, keep pushing
Posted by: Smell the Glove

In 2018 and 2020, the Left successful wore the public down with their hostage threat of nonstop public meltdowns if they didn't get their way. They're hoping if they crank it up to 11 now, it will work again for the midterms.

They're calculating wrong. Trump has no fucks left to give, and is going to push back with force and arrests. It's going to look bad for both sides, but hurt the dems more as they end up with thousands of their supporters with felony convictions.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 06, 2025 05:26 PM (ycI94)

231
One thing to keep in mind is that virtually every successful commie revolution only succeeded because they had massive backing from a foreign commie cocksucker country pouring money, cannon fodder and munitions into the revolution. Think Aldo Ray at the beginning of The Green Berets, tossing Chinese, Czech and Russian weapons on the table in front of David Janssen's lefty douchebag journalist to show that they weren't just fighting the Cong.

Almost as good as the scene where that cocksucker Sulu growls that the war will end when they "kill all stinking Cong".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 06, 2025 05:26 PM (y9nCu)

232 Y'all remember back in 2008 when those little kids were doing the "Mmm mmm mmm, Barack Hussein Obama" like little cultists, and I was saying they needed to be garroted, but everyone came down on me because our side can't be like that and I said they're creating a cadre of future leftist soldiers...well, those little kids are all grown up now, and they're the ones itching for a civil war.

Gonna need a strong stomach to survive what's next.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 06, 2025 05:26 PM (qwx/I)

233 Taney had a big sandwich of poo served to him.
What would have been a better decision? Maybe say "we are the third branch and we demand the first branch - that's you, you cowards in the House and Senate - pass some legislation on this issue RIGHT NOW because we don't want to be stuck holding this sandwich of poo which we can't enforce".
But I don't know how that works Constitutionally.
Posted by: gKWVE

The case was moot in the first place. Scott had already went through with his claims in the Missouri court system. It was the subsequent dismissal of renewed claims under the federal district court at St. Louis that caused Taney to pick the case up to reverse that lower court.

Taney ignored collateral estoppel (two bites at the apple doctrine) where you cannot renew the same legal arguments in federal court after you failed in your attempts in state courts.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:26 PM (WDjG6)

234 … if I go by what I read on Twitter/X, I’d say tomorrow. If I go by my everyday interactions with the public in the real world, I’d say never.

well said, weew

also web worker I see what you're saying the only thing worrying me is how blue our coastlines are. kind of tactically important and majority leftist.

Posted by: Black Orchid at October 06, 2025 05:27 PM (emBoF)

235 In my view Trump and the FedGov have somewhere between a couple of weeks and a couple of months to quell this incipient insurgency, or we'll end up with a hot war.

I don't want that to be true, but I fear it is.

We have to have decisive action one way or the other. Either send in overwhelming force and ride herd on the Antifa goons and send them all either running for their lives or into the federal penal system. It's that, or withdraw every Federal resource, shutter the buildings, cut off the funding and assistance, and let these blue cities fall into utter chaos.

Posted by: ballistic at October 06, 2025 05:27 PM (3BwY8)

236 I misread this as Moron War.
Posted by: CaliGirl

When you consider all the things we fight about here, the Moron Wars must number well into the 10,000s by now.

Posted by: Bulg at October 06, 2025 05:27 PM (77rzZ)

237 Rush Street has fallen!

Posted by: JB Pritzger at October 06, 2025 05:27 PM (ppwwy)

238 178 An appellate court said NG troops could very much be used in LA. Now this cvnt says they can’t be used in Portland?

If she can ignore appeals courts then Trump needs to ignore her.

IIRC, that appeals court was the 9th CCA, and she's a district court judge IN the 9th's circuit. So, yeah, she can go pound sand.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at October 06, 2025 05:27 PM (uY1j2)

239 Yep. lincoln put out musters for volunteer troops for 90 days of service because he thought it was going to be a short cake walk and the south would cave at the first shots being fired. In retrospect that was a literal pipe dream.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 06, 2025 05:24 PM (0N4FZ)

well, he hoped they would wise up. But Congress was not in session and law stated he could not call up troops on his own longer than 90 days.

In the 1830s South Carolina did exactly that - agitated to secede with the South and nobody else went and they backed down. The fireeaters were not gonna let that happen again, they wanted war fast to drag the whole south in.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:28 PM (8avO+)

240
Chances that an entire state would go out enough for it to be a Civil War as supposed to an insurrection is about 0. And most of even blue states would not follow them out.
Posted by: Oldcat

===============

I don't believe for a minute that any of these mayors or governors intend to fight to anything but a publicity-grabbing reversal in court.

It's theater.

"I fought the Trump administration and brought justice to tens of thousands of Californians!" Newsom will crow. "We were reversed in court and those innocent people lost their freedom -- and that's why we need new leadership, new judges, new hairg--"

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 06, 2025 05:28 PM (XQ8QH)

241 Taney could have just issued a holding that Dred Scott didn't have standing, because he was not a citizen

The Court would have been called out as cowards in this contrafactual, and John Brown still ends up doing what he does. Except maybe shooting Justices instead.
The 1850s were just an unpleasant decade all 'round.

Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 05:28 PM (gKWVE)

242 235 In my view Trump and the FedGov have somewhere between a couple of weeks and a couple of months to quell this incipient insurgency, or we'll end up with a hot war.

I don't want that to be true, but I fear it is.

winter is coming

it's been a warmer than usual fall, but soon it will be damn cold out there for the monster babies

I think it will help

Posted by: Black Orchid at October 06, 2025 05:28 PM (emBoF)

243 234 … if I go by what I read on Twitter/X, I’d say tomorrow. If I go by my everyday interactions with the public in the real world, I’d say never.

well said, weew

also web worker I see what you're saying the only thing worrying me is how blue our coastlines are. kind of tactically important and majority leftist.
Posted by: Black Orchid at October 06, 2025 05:27 PM (emBoF)

Texas, Florida, Georgia/SC are Red. A lot can be shipped in from there. New York and California and WA are probably lost causes though.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 05:28 PM (xcxpd)

244 Yup... there are no blue states, only blue cities. They are positioned in the worst strategic situation in the history of war. When their water, power and food get cut off, they will be beging to negotiate in a couple of days. I would wait a few months to make sure they get the message

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at October 06, 2025 05:16 PM (vYgDJ)

If portions of Western states do not split off of the insurrectiony bits, it would be a grand lost opportunity.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 06, 2025 05:28 PM (CWNNg)

245 Capital + ism is a duh.

Capital: private property

Ism: belief of.

Only Marxists don't believe in private property. It doesn't define us, the lack of it defines them.

Even if you fed everybody with slices from a community apple, there is a time when that slice becomes pro-per to you and you alone.

"Per" -> each.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:29 PM (krQz2)

246 A shooting war? I dunno - but I do know this:

Even the self-proclaimed 'moderate' libs in my circle insist that antifa and other rioters are moral, decent, patriotic humans (never patriotic Americans mind you) and all LEO are thugs and tearing down Our Precious Democracy. They honestly feels their side is the only thing holding us together. I have never seen such a group of willfully blind psychopaths like this before.

It is going to be interesting - in the extreme.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 06, 2025 05:29 PM (cYBz/)

247 I blame Taney and John Brown as chief instigators of the Civil War. From opposite sides, of course, but both unreasonable fanatics.

Posted by: Bulg at October 06, 2025 05:29 PM (77rzZ)

248 Dana Loesch
@DLoesch
Gun control group
@Everytown dropped six figures on VA AG Dem candidate Jay Jones who said he wanted to shoot his opponents in the head and murder their children:

Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 05:29 PM (TN0g+)

249 >>>When their water, power and food get cut off, they will be beging to negotiate in a couple of days

just cut their wifi and they'll be begging for a truce

Posted by: brak at October 06, 2025 05:29 PM (jGJov)

250 We have to have decisive action one way or the other. Either send in overwhelming force and ride herd on the Antifa goons and send them all either running for their lives or into the federal penal system. It's that, or withdraw every Federal resource, shutter the buildings, cut off the funding and assistance, and let these blue cities fall into utter chaos.
Posted by: ballistic at October 06, 2025 05:27 PM (3BwY

I haven't heard much crisis in Memphis, have you? At least one city is cooperating. That's a third way.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:30 PM (8avO+)

251 Yup... there are no blue states, only blue cities.

This is true... Oregon and CA have areas where they actually are trying to secede...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 05:30 PM (VE6XX)

252 okay, whig, thanks for explaining that a little better for my small brain

Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 05:30 PM (gKWVE)

253 201 Fair point but they did eject the British Army, at least by all optics.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Win the battle but lose the war. History is full of those and now the dwindling provos remaining are basically criminal drug dealers not heroes much anymore to their communities.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:19 PM (WDjG6)

It could be worse - we could be back with VP Aaron Burr - man, they don't teach you in history class how awful that guy was (Benedict Arnold, you were not the only famous traitor of the era)...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 06, 2025 05:30 PM (tOcjL)

254 >> I think it could.

There is the anti-commandeering doctrine, under the 10th Amendment. The federal govt cannot order or otherwise force state governments to act for federal purposes.

So, if the state authorities refuse to cooperate, that's sort of conundrum. The President can clearly use the "militia" and the regular armed forces under the Insurrection Act, but there would be a conflict with directly ordering state LEO to act.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at October 06, 2025 05:31 PM (w6EFb)

255 can't compromise with them. They must dream of suicide.

Posted by: dreamingrobot at October 06, 2025 05:31 PM (EyfuW)

256
If they want to secede, it needn't be a re-run of 1776, or 1861. At all.

This is 2025.

I have a much better idea.

LET. THEM. GO.

I have zero fuckin' interest - none, nada, zilch - in remaining part of a country with these people. Sign off on their secession - and once we have our own country/ies, we should have a commission picked by Trump and Red State governors with authority to deport any Leftists who remain behind to Fuckheadistan for a period of ten years.

This would include all registered Dems, many of whom wouldn't really deserve it, but hey, thems the breaks... talk to your new countrymen about that.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 06, 2025 05:31 PM (BI5O2)

257 Guy Benson? Any distant relationship to the Jamesir Bensonmum, son of Howard Bensonmum?

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 06, 2025 05:32 PM (wVcYX)

258

Portland and Chicago have crossed the line into Insurrection Act territory pretty much, I think.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at October 06, 2025 05:32 PM (w6EFb)

259 Yup... there are no blue states, only blue cities.

LAND DOESN'T VOTE!!!!

Posted by: Typical Blue State moron at October 06, 2025 05:32 PM (ycI94)

260 I blame Taney and John Brown as chief instigators of the Civil War. From opposite sides, of course, but both unreasonable fanatics.
Posted by: Bulg at October 06, 2025 05:29 PM (77rzZ)

Don't forget the Border Ruffians invading Kansas Territory to fix elections there as northern settlers began to outmigrate the southern sympathizers. 1800 votes in one district of 30 or so houses is pretty bold.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:32 PM (8avO+)

261 Ace never got over not being invited to Benson's wedding. IIRC it was in Las Vegas.

Posted by: The Great Poofter! at October 06, 2025 05:32 PM (oftw2)

262
Heard about Houston? Heard about Detroit?
Heard about Pittsburgh, P.A.?
You oughta know not to stand by the window
Somebody'll see you up there
I got some groceries, some peanut butter
To last a couple of days
But I ain't got no speakers, ain't got no headphones
Ain't got no records to play

Posted by: Don Black at October 06, 2025 05:32 PM (AOsQT)

263 I agree YD. I actually think that's what's going to happen, in some form.

Posted by: Black Orchid at October 06, 2025 05:32 PM (emBoF)

264 The case was moot in the first place. Scott had already went through with his claims in the Missouri court system. It was the subsequent dismissal of renewed claims under the federal district court at St. Louis that caused Taney to pick the case up to reverse that lower court.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:26 PM (WDjG6)
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I had read that Taney made one of those "settle this once and for all" flexes that judges seem prone to.

I can't accept that he was a victim in this--of course, without further information.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:32 PM (krQz2)

265 Fat boy in Ill is trying to look tough because he's gonna run for President Ditto Gov greaseball in CA.. The Oregon gov. is just a nasty POS

Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 05:33 PM (VE6XX)

266 The 1850s were just an unpleasant decade all 'round.
Posted by: gKWVE

*kicks dirt*
-- Opening of Japan

Posted by: Bulg at October 06, 2025 05:33 PM (77rzZ)

267
In my view Trump and the FedGov have somewhere between a couple of weeks and a couple of months to quell this incipient insurgency, or we'll end up with a hot war.

=============

I don't know about a hot war, but we could end up with another lurid and damaging spectacle like the Mueller investigation -- which would never have happened if Trump 1.0 had "quelled" Comey and a few others on the first day of his presidency.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 06, 2025 05:33 PM (XQ8QH)

268 This would include all registered Dems, many of whom wouldn't really deserve it, but hey, thems the breaks... talk to your new countrymen about that.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 06, 2025 05:31 PM (BI5O2)

that's what South Africa did...give them 'independence' without a border, or anything to make or sell.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:33 PM (8avO+)

269 > LET. THEM. GO.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 06, 2025 05:31 PM (BI5O2)

But just the blue cities. They don't get to keep all that farm land and other valuable resources.

I suppose the matter could be put to a ballot on the county level.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2025 05:34 PM (qpyNK)

270 I saw Collateral Estoppel open for Wham! in The Club Fantastic Tour in '83.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Sombrero Memes Will Continue Until Morality Improves! at October 06, 2025 05:34 PM (xr+YL)

271 The case was moot in the first place. Scott had already went through with his claims in the Missouri court system. It was the subsequent dismissal of renewed claims under the federal district court at St. Louis that caused Taney to pick the case up to reverse that lower court.
Posted by: whig

Plus, wasn't Scott dead by the time the SCOTUS issued its opinion?

Posted by: Bulg at October 06, 2025 05:34 PM (77rzZ)

272 The Left is the Manson Family but with worse music

Posted by: Josephistan at October 06, 2025 05:34 PM (G0Uu2)

273 If they want to secede, it needn't be a re-run of 1776, or 1861. At all.

The want to secede from the State not the Country... Part of Oregon is trying to join Idaho

Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 05:34 PM (VE6XX)

274 Yup... there are no blue states, only blue cities.

LAND DOESN'T VOTE!!!!

Posted by: Typical Blue State moron at October 06, 2025 05:32 PM (ycI94)
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Good illustration.

But suddenly all the blue cities would want their supply chain coming along with them, however sparse in population.

Second look at feudalism?

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:34 PM (krQz2)

275 "For fans of Long Life Death, "

That's not the title on my book cover

Posted by: mrp at October 06, 2025 05:35 PM (rj6Yv)

276 I have zero fuckin' interest - none, nada, zilch - in remaining part of a country with these people. Sign off on their secession

Maybe. They have some pretty nice parts of the country. Maybe we offer to buy them out and help them relocate to Europe, or wherever else they want to go. If we are going to lose ground, we give them only a couple states (say, Washington and New Mexico) they can swarm to.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 06, 2025 05:35 PM (ycI94)

277 If the Supremes do not IMMEDIATELY weigh in on a Judge over ruling the Commander in Chief, he needs to just announce the that courts are out of control, and have created a Constitutional Crises...

Then... order the troops in anyway.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 06, 2025 05:35 PM (mP0Kj)

278 I had read that Taney made one of those "settle this once and for all" flexes that judges seem prone to.

I can't accept that he was a victim in this--of course, without further information.
Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:32 PM (krQz2)

Taney, or someone leaked the decision to Buchanan early and he mentioned the 'settle it' in his inaugural. This led to a flurry of new and edited papers on the decision in the last few days.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:36 PM (8avO+)

279 265 Fat boy in Ill is trying to look tough because he's gonna run for President Ditto Gov greaseball in CA.. The Oregon gov. is just a nasty POS
Posted by: It's me donna

If you thought the 2020 Dem primaries were a circus, wait until 2028's get started lol.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 06, 2025 05:36 PM (ycI94)

280 Pretty sure all the lefties could fit into Oregon, Washington and California.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 06, 2025 05:36 PM (q7hip)

281 Guy Benson? Any distant relationship to the Jamesir Bensonmum, son of Howard Bensonmum?

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 06, 2025 05:32 PM (wVcYX)
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I know the reference.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:36 PM (krQz2)

282 Let's say CA, OR and WA go all in on rebellion.

They're dead within days, because their refineries would shut down ASAP and no import of fuel stocks would be allowed.

Have fun!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 05:36 PM (tT6L1)

283 I had read that Taney made one of those "settle this once and for all" flexes that judges seem prone to.

I can't accept that he was a victim in this--of course, without further information.
Posted by: Axeman
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I used his opinion in this case to teach about the problems related to judicial activism. I can do the song and verse about how bad this decision was and Taney is rather unique in that one horrendously bad activist decision ruined his overall rep as a decent jurist.

Academic historian, Don E. Fehrenbacher has a rather long but excellent book about Dred Scott. Probably his master work.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:37 PM (WDjG6)

284 my extremely extremely liberal uncle and his wife have announced they are moving to England permanently

so I dunno

maybe attrition works and these are the Left's last throes and the worst of them will expatriate themselves

Posted by: Black Orchid at October 06, 2025 05:37 PM (emBoF)

285 >>> 276 I have zero fuckin' interest - none, nada, zilch - in remaining part of a country with these people. Sign off on their secession
==
Maybe. They have some pretty nice parts of the country. Maybe we offer to buy them out and help them relocate to Europe, or wherever else they want to go. If we are going to lose ground, we give them only a couple states (say, Washington and New Mexico) they can swarm to.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 06, 2025 05:35 PM (ycI94)

If they get anything, I suggest a ten mile wide strip of land in Mexico along the national border.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 06, 2025 05:37 PM (ULPxl)

286 But just the blue cities. They don't get to keep all that farm land and other valuable resources.

I suppose the matter could be put to a ballot on the county level.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2025 05:34 PM (qpyNK)

The impose Excise taxes on all products that go to those Blue Cites... rest of us could be tax free.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 06, 2025 05:37 PM (mP0Kj)

287 > The federal govt cannot order or otherwise force state governments to act for federal purposes.

They'd be drafted on an individual basis. The state wouldn't enter into it.

In particular, LEOs were NOT exempt from the draft during the Vietnam War.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2025 05:37 PM (qpyNK)

288 199 > I would wait a few months to make sure they get the message

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at October 06, 2025 05:16 PM (vYgDJ)

It wouldn't take that long.

There would be food riots in three days, cannibalism within a week.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2025 05:19 PM (qpyNK)

Rodrigo is correct - 3 days max, cannibalism in a week.
But Lemmiwinks is correct too. Neither opinions are mutually exclusive. It should be a few months to make sure the point is driven home.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at October 06, 2025 05:38 PM (N39Ws)

289 If the Supremes do not IMMEDIATELY weigh in on a Judge over ruling the Commander in Chief, he needs to just announce the that courts are out of control, and have created a Constitutional Crises...

Then... order the troops in anyway.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 06, 2025 05:35 PM (mP0Kj)
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This, as I understand it, has not been Trump's pattern so far.

About the only thing he didn't do was turn a plane around in the air because a judge thought he should have done that.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:38 PM (krQz2)

290 One thing to keep in mind is that virtually every successful commie revolution only succeeded because they had massive backing from a foreign commie cocksucker country pouring money, cannon fodder and munitions into the revolution. Think Aldo Ray at the beginning of The Green Berets, tossing Chinese, Czech and Russian weapons on the table in front of David Janssen's lefty douchebag journalist to show that they weren't just fighting the Cong.

Almost as good as the scene where that cocksucker Sulu growls that the war will end when they "kill all stinking Cong".
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 06, 2025 05:26 PM (y9nCu)

The Green Beret shooting schedule conflicted with STOS. This is Chekov's opportune moment and entrance into STOS.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 06, 2025 05:38 PM (wVcYX)

291 284 my extremely extremely liberal uncle and his wife have announced they are moving to England permanently

so I dunno

maybe attrition works and these are the Left's last throes and the worst of them will expatriate themselves

Posted by: Black Orchid at October 06, 2025 05:37 PM (emBoF)

Since I assume they are a rather advanced age, have them enjoy Britain's NHS...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 06, 2025 05:38 PM (tOcjL)

292 Plus, wasn't Scott dead by the time the SCOTUS issued its opinion?
Posted by: Bulg
======
Lived about a year afterwards died in 1858, decision rendered 1857.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:38 PM (WDjG6)

293 The case was moot in the first place. Scott had already went through with his claims in the Missouri court system. It was the subsequent dismissal of renewed claims under the federal district court at St. Louis that caused Taney to pick the case up to reverse that lower court.
Posted by: whig

Plus, wasn't Scott dead by the time the SCOTUS issued its opinion?
Posted by: Bulg at October 06, 2025 05:34 PM (77rzZ)

We died some months later

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:38 PM (8avO+)

294 256
If they want to secede, it needn't be a re-run of 1776, or 1861. At all.

This is 2025.

I have a much better idea.

LET. THEM. GO.

I have zero fuckin' interest - none, nada, zilch - in remaining part of a country with these people. Sign off on their secession - and once we have our own country/ies, we should have a commission picked by Trump and Red State governors with authority to deport any Leftists who remain behind to Fuckheadistan for a period of ten years.

This would include all registered Dems, many of whom wouldn't really deserve it, but hey, thems the breaks... talk to your new countrymen about that.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 06, 2025 05:31 PM (BI5O2)

That's just delaying the war. You think they'll leave YOU alone? Nah bro, they'll just spend the time developing a miltary and indoctrinating more soldiers. Then they will come for you, for your stuff, for you unaccomidating mind.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 05:38 PM (xcxpd)

295 I know one thing. The left can never be in power again. We won't be talking civil war, we would be talking war of liberation, and that one would have a waaay different set of rules. That would require violence on an unimaginable scale.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 06, 2025 05:38 PM (snZF9)

296 There would be food riots in three days, cannibalism within a week.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2025 05:19 PM (qpyNK)
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A Superdome situation?

They rapin' everybody!

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:39 PM (krQz2)

297 They're dead within days, because their refineries would shut down ASAP and no import of fuel stocks would be allowed.

But, we'd build like, solar and wind farms, man!

Posted by: Green Left Coastie at October 06, 2025 05:39 PM (ycI94)

298 Don't forget the Border Ruffians invading Kansas Territory to fix elections there as northern settlers began to outmigrate the southern sympathizers. 1800 votes in one district of 30 or so houses is pretty bold.
Posted by: Oldcat

Mo governor had publicly state it was every Mo man's obligation to go vote in Ks election. (Ks/nebraska Act superseded Mo Compromise)

Posted by: MkY at October 06, 2025 05:39 PM (cPGH3)

299 > If we are going to lose ground, we give them only a couple states (say, Washington and New Mexico) they can swarm to.

Oh, they could be packed a lot more densely than that.

Posted by: The Black Hole of Calcutta at October 06, 2025 05:39 PM (qpyNK)

300 Tell me we're not gonna fight the Civil war again here...
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Dear guys…

Words cannot express how much I hate you guys.

As we fight our way northward into the great unknown, only that one thing remains certain; That I hate you guys with every tired muscle in my Confederate body. We have taken Topeka, and now I must rally the men onward to Missouri.

Because I will not stop until we have won it all, and you guys are my slaves. Because I hate you guys. I hate you guys so very, very much.

Yours,
General Cartman Lee.

Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 05:39 PM (TN0g+)

301 Why don't we just keep wining and take everything?

Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2025 05:39 PM (viF8m)

302 by: Black Orchid at October 06, 2025 05:37 PM (emBoF)

Considering what’s happening in England , that would not be a place I would want to
Move to even if I were a liberal

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 06, 2025 05:40 PM (8Xy/A)

303 Most of the tranny rioters will read the "compact" as Dior vs YSL mineral foundation and be in a frazzle trying to have committees over it.

We are dealing with uneducated (no knowledge of how wars have been), drugged out retards who want a revolution of free college, free everything. Clueless. If they knew to put daisy's in guns for a photo op they would. Make love not war were the nice and stoned revolutionaries vs this bunch who don't have the IQ of a turnip.

I can't speak for the gangs of Chicago, Detroit or LA...but the Portland and Seattle sissies will be easy once the tanks arrive. Unless the Armed Trans mentals show up, and still won't have tanks and armored trucks. Or the correct genitals. I don't think. I could be fooled.

Bring on the dogs and fire hoses of war. Teach them some history.

I am not really in the mood for a civil war, so I hope it does not come here. When I was hot and irritable in August that would have been a better time for me. Pencil me in for then.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at October 06, 2025 05:40 PM (6PCLE)

304 About the only thing he didn't do was turn a plane around in the air because a judge thought he should have done that.
Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:38 PM (krQz2)

He probably really did get them out in the air while the judge was sleeping off his all nighter. I'm sure they were all laughing about it.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:40 PM (8avO+)

305 my extremely extremely liberal uncle and his wife have announced they are moving to England permanently

so I dunno

maybe attrition works and these are the Left's last throes and the worst of them will expatriate themselves

Posted by: Black Orchid at October 06, 2025 05:37 PM (emBoF)
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Well they probably don't have a daughter or rape-gang age, so it's probably okay as long as they love Sharia law.
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Since I assume they are a rather advanced age, have them enjoy Britain's NHS...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 06, 2025 05:38 PM (tOcjL)
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They're going to love the "Liverpool Path".

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:41 PM (krQz2)

306 Here are some thoughts on how close we are to a shooting war.

https://is.gd/9cdwgF

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Going For the Brass Ring! at October 06, 2025 05:41 PM (L/fGl)

307 Nood - chick is close to becoming Japan's first chick PM, she's being called the "Female Trump". We'll see.

Posted by: Thrawn at October 06, 2025 05:41 PM (9Ovst)

308 Plus, wasn't Scott dead by the time the SCOTUS issued its opinion?
Posted by: Bulg
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Lived about a year afterwards died in 1858, decision rendered 1857.
Posted by: whig

Thanks for the clarification.

Posted by: Bulg at October 06, 2025 05:41 PM (77rzZ)

309 301 Why don't we just keep wining and take everything?
Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2025 05:39 PM (viF8m)

Is our divorce attorney that good?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 06, 2025 05:42 PM (q7hip)

310 > General Cartman Lee.
Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 05:39 PM (TN0g+)

Screw you guys, I'm going to Georgia.

Posted by: General Cartman Sherman at October 06, 2025 05:42 PM (qpyNK)

311 I think 1968-1972 was a more tumultuous time, but things are certainly getting frisky. Back then, the Soviets were setting up training camps in client states for Western domestic terror cells, teaching the Little Drummer Girls and their boyfriends how to place plastic explosives for maximum effect, how to surveil future targets, set ambushes, etc.

Dems can't hold fair elections anymore and guarantee themselves re-employment. That's the test. Free and fair elections in the coming months are the most important tactic to defeat their madness. Charlie Kirk knew that. We should know that, too.

Posted by: mrp at October 06, 2025 05:42 PM (rj6Yv)

312
Fat boy in Ill is trying to look tough because he's gonna run for President Ditto Gov greaseball in CA.. The Oregon gov. is just a nasty POS
Posted by: It's me donna

If you thought the 2020 Dem primaries were a circus, wait until 2028's get started lol.
Posted by: Moron Analyst

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LOL, Pete Buttigieg and Kamala won't have any "war" stories to brag about, both being out of office for the nonce. I wonder what their strategy will be?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at October 06, 2025 05:43 PM (XQ8QH)

313 Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at October 06, 2025 05:40 PM (6PCLE)

Was on a US Destroyer going to the Portland Rose Festival mid 90's... when Enviros decided it would be fun to come up to us on Jet skis and throw paint onto the ship...

Normally ships use 1.5 inch firehoses for firefighting... that day we pulled out the 2.5 inch hoses...

Hilarity ensued. One of my proud and funny moments serving.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 06, 2025 05:43 PM (mP0Kj)

314

They'd be drafted on an individual basis. The state wouldn't enter into it.

In particular, LEOs were NOT exempt from the draft during the Vietnam War.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia

Printz (Sup CT case) says that local law enforcement cannot be commandeered for federal purposes. Sure we can draft them into the army, and send them to basic, but we cannot draft them as Sheriff of Multnomah County or police chief of Los Angeles

Posted by: imp at October 06, 2025 05:43 PM (g6TN6)

315 I said if the Marxists get back in power the Gulags will open.
They put 1,500 people in prison for as peaceful protest you will ever get on Jan 6. They would run up charges out of thin air.

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2025 05:43 PM (7YtcZ)

316 The UK is number 1!

https://is.gd/nVqPjS

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Going For the Brass Ring! at October 06, 2025 05:43 PM (L/fGl)

317 Cruising through comments, I see so many Morons who said (better) what I had tried to say, and more. Like

If blue states think a secession is going to happen along state lines, I have a nation-wide county electoral map to show them.
Posted by: Halfhand

One of the biggest problems has been with us all along:

Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed.

Posted by: mindful webworker - jus' sayin' at October 06, 2025 05:43 PM (fevhA)

318 287 > The federal govt cannot order or otherwise force state governments to act for federal purposes.
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Depends. A federal government most certainly can address insurrections even by state officials and it can arrest them for obstruction of federal law enforcement (goes to positive and negative readings). Brandon Johnson's mayoral proclamation, I think goes over the line of permissable btw into active resistance.

I think you are misreading Printz v. US and Clinton v. NY. Both were narrowly decided by the way and current court is less favorable towards the 10th without Rehnquist and O'Conner on the court.

And later recent federal court decision distinguished both cases from a Missouri case dealing with state's refusal to work with ATF on gun control as a result of a state constitutional amendment implementation. States cannot forbid their own officials or local government officials from cooperating with the Feds on law enforcement.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:44 PM (WDjG6)

319
That's just delaying the war. You think they'll leave YOU alone? Nah bro, they'll just spend the time developing a miltary and indoctrinating more soldiers. Then they will come for you, for your stuff, for you unaccomidating mind.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 05:38 PM (xcxpd)

Oh yes. War with Fuckheadistan would be inevitable. But the terms are much more favorable if we have our own country walking in. Much better than in a civil war where those people have all the civil institutions already onside.

Without Fuckheadistan, war with the would-be citizens of Fuckheadistan would still happen, but on all our territory, on day one.

There is the added benefit of not having to treat them as wayward countrymen if we win. Just a conquered enemy. Then we can debellate Fuckheadistan.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 06, 2025 05:44 PM (BI5O2)

320 This isn't like our first civil war. Any civil war will be in blue cities. The Left can't project power. We have the guns and the numbers.

This plays right into Trump's hand. Increasing violence from the Left will alienate Middle America. Then Trump can take sterner measures, including removing people like Pritzker from office.

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 06, 2025 05:44 PM (dtajH)

321 What? Well, of course I'm willowed. Again.

https://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=416776

Posted by: mindful webworker - whatever happened to Willow, anyway? at October 06, 2025 05:44 PM (fevhA)

322 Since I assume they are a rather advanced age, have them enjoy Britain's NHS...
____

Not that I wish anything bad to happen, but maybe they'll get to witness England's special brand of diversity up close.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at October 06, 2025 05:44 PM (Dv3i1)

323 I used his opinion in this case to teach about the problems related to judicial activism. I can do the song and verse about how bad this decision was and Taney is rather unique in that one horrendously bad activist decision ruined his overall rep as a decent jurist.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:37 PM (WDjG6)
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No doubt.

But of course his lasting legacy is that atrocious argument from silence, which is actually refuted by historical fact, but had the biggest legacy:

Equality was never meant for black people.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:45 PM (krQz2)

324 my extremely extremely liberal uncle and his wife have announced they are moving to England permanently

so I dunno

maybe attrition works and these are the Left's last throes and the worst of them will expatriate themselves

Posted by: Black Orchid at October 06, 2025 05:37 PM (emBoF)
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Well they probably don't have a daughter or rape-gang age, so it's probably okay as long as they love Sharia law.
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Since I assume they are a rather advanced age, have them enjoy Britain's NHS...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 06, 2025 05:38 PM (tOcjL)
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They're going to love the "Liverpool Path".
Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 05:41 PM (krQz2)

All the takeaway Chicken Vindaloo a pensioner could desire! Tea and crumpets, not so much.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 06, 2025 05:45 PM (wVcYX)

325 An independent People's Republic of California, Oregon and Washington would become a puppet state of China within 24 hours

Posted by: Josephistan at October 06, 2025 05:45 PM (G0Uu2)

326 Don't forget the Border Ruffians invading Kansas Territory to fix elections there as northern settlers began to outmigrate the southern sympathizers. 1800 votes in one district of 30 or so houses is pretty bold.
Posted by: Oldcat

Mo governor had publicly state it was every Mo man's obligation to go vote in Ks election. (Ks/nebraska Act superseded Mo Compromise)
Posted by: MkY at October 06, 2025 05:39 PM (cPGH3)

Sterling Price, later CSA general and invaded MO and KS late in the war.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:45 PM (8avO+)

327 >>> ... were all SPIED ON. by the FBI. memo 9.27.2023. Arctic Frost
Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 05:15 PM (gKWVE)

Based on the list it looks like they were just looking for even more compromat to keep them loyal squishes for the ruling class left.

Posted by: banana Dream at October 06, 2025 05:45 PM (3uBP9)

328 nood

female Japanese

Posted by: banana Dream at October 06, 2025 05:46 PM (3uBP9)

329 >> They'd be drafted on an individual basis. The state wouldn't enter into it.

That would be an interesting "trick". I'm going to look up this.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at October 06, 2025 05:46 PM (w6EFb)

330 Sterling Price, later CSA general and invaded MO and KS late in the war.
Posted by: Oldcat

Ok... you so smaht.... what was the name of Rooster Cogburn's cat?

Bonus... where did he lose his eye?

Posted by: MkY at October 06, 2025 05:47 PM (cPGH3)

331 Hilarity ensued. One of my proud and funny moments serving.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 06, 2025 05:43 PM (mP0Kj)

Good job! I would have loved that as I have a wicked streak when I am not trying to behave.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at October 06, 2025 05:48 PM (6PCLE)

332 powerlineblog.com/archives/
2025/10/confederate-theater.php
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One must be really out there, so raving liberal as to make middling, lawyer/banker Powerline appear conservative.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 06, 2025 05:48 PM (vMQ5f)

333 Black Orchid,

That's sadly hilarious.

They're arriving in Old Blighty just in time to be euthanized instead of treated for any major health problems cuz they're just not worth the cost.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 06, 2025 05:48 PM (iJfKG)

334 "No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, ... enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

Posted by: Ignoramus at October 06, 2025 05:48 PM (dtajH)

335 Printz (Sup CT case) says that local law enforcement cannot be commandeered for federal purposes. Sure we can draft them into the army, and send them to basic, but we cannot draft them as Sheriff of Multnomah County or police chief of Los Angeles
Posted by: imp

You are misreading Printz. If you read the facts of the case, it dealt with Brady Bill requirements for local background checks for local LEOs without funding until the national NICs system became active. Printz and one other sheriff simply did not have the time, inclination, and desire to do those checks at the expense of law enforcement duties. Nothing in that decision forbid any state or local official in voluntarily working with the federal government and that is what a district court judge used in the Missouri case mentioned above.

FWIW, both use the slightly older Clinton v. NY decision that dealt with a requirement for states to join compacts to deal with waste or to take ownership of such waste themselves.

Neither decision dealt with any federal funding mandates but were simply unfunded mandates. Accepting funding from federal sources complicates the analysis under a deal is a deal.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 05:48 PM (WDjG6)

336 I haven't heard much crisis in Memphis, have you? At least one city is cooperating. That's a third way.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:30 PM (8avO+)
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Yeah but Portland and Memphis are two separate issues.

Memphis is just run-of-the-mill criminals menacing the populace, and the mayor is smart enough to STFU and take the assistance where he can get it because he wants to get re-elected. Trump wants to help clean up a majority-black community so people can live in peace, and the locals are in support of it!

Portland is the local government in bed with a paramilitary element that menaces their political enemies, and they're determined to oppose Trump at all costs. Of note, it's all white retards that are out in the streets.

Posted by: ballistic at October 06, 2025 05:49 PM (3BwY8)

337 One of the biggest problems has been with us all along:

Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed.
Posted by: mindful webworker - jus' sayin' at October 06, 2025 05:43 PM (fevhA)

Given the near 100 percent failure rate due to easily predictable consequences of radical changes, this is a positive trait rather than negative.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:49 PM (8avO+)

338 ... there are two levels upon which people live: the realistic level and the fantastic level.

This concept is a fundamental aspect of human existence, that when one lives on the fantastic level but must operate on the realistic level, one becomes "spooked".
_paraphrasing

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 06, 2025 05:50 PM (vMQ5f)

339 Memphis is just run-of-the-mill criminals menacing the populace, and the mayor is smart enough to STFU and take the assistance where he can get it because he wants to get re-elected. Trump wants to help clean up a majority-black community so people can live in peace, and the locals are in support of it!

Portland is the local government in bed with a paramilitary element that menaces their political enemies, and they're determined to oppose Trump at all costs. Of note, it's all white retards that are out in the streets.
Posted by: ballistic at October 06, 2025 05:49 PM (3BwY

But Trump can already point to a second example after DC of cleaning up crime and corruption without issue.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:51 PM (8avO+)

340 Judge Karen's ruling barring troops in Portland just may be the impetus for civilians to back ICE against antifa. This is actually already happening with Christian High School kids on site backing ICE with chants and prayers.. My thoughts are can Cletus and Elwood backwoods men be far behind? BTW What is Weasels Christian name. heh heh

Posted by: Captain Fantastic at October 06, 2025 05:51 PM (VPPG8)

341 Sterling Price, later CSA general and invaded MO and KS late in the war.
Posted by: Oldcat

Ok... you so smaht.... what was the name of Rooster Cogburn's cat?

Bonus... where did he lose his eye?
Posted by: MkY at October 06, 2025 05:47 PM (cPGH3)

Never saw the movie. I assume the eye was lost from his eye socket.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 05:53 PM (8avO+)

342 The D-M Complex must believe the only way they can slow, let alone stop, the Trump Train is to try to pin murders of local cops, illegals, and uninvolved civilians by ICE Stormtroopers on Trump, hoping that sticks. And sticks to JD Vance and all other Repub politicians. Desperate people do desperate acts. Here we are.

Posted by: Gref at October 06, 2025 05:54 PM (5rh/l)

343 There are many states that antifa would not dare to jam up police cars like that. There would be no walk aways.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 06, 2025 05:56 PM (vMQ5f)

344 The filthy fucking Muslims walking around in Japan look like a disease of bully zombies. Muslim Ass Hoe

Posted by: Captain Fantastic at October 06, 2025 06:04 PM (VPPG8)

345 Ok... you so smaht.... what was the name of Rooster Cogburn's cat?

General Sterling Price

Posted by: rickb223 at October 06, 2025 06:05 PM (JnEe8)

346 344 The filthy fucking Muslims walking around in Japan look like a disease of bully zombies. Muslim Ass Hoe
Posted by: Captain Fantastic
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New prime minister says it's time for them to go home.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 06, 2025 06:10 PM (vMQ5f)

347 Hind tit, two for two.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 06, 2025 06:10 PM (vMQ5f)

348 How close is never? The 2nd Ammendment is an illusion, it's the switch that will never be flipped. Sure, maybe 10% of the Right will stand and fight, the rest will linger on the edge of the battlefield long enough to witness their defeat and then bend the knee. They value Dignity more than Liberty.

Come on, I can't get the Right to help a Marine falsely accused of stolen valor, to stand up for someone who has risked his life to defend them. Do you think these people will have your back when the bullets start flying?

The whole "light switch" metaphor is a cope to do nothing (because the only assumed alternative is violence that will quickly spin out of control). Are we really so unimaginative that we can't come up with actions between Do Nothing and Fire Everything?

Of course not, we just lack the will.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at October 06, 2025 06:12 PM (mfNsJ)

349 disband the democrat party like we should have done in 1865

++++
I want to amplify this. I hope it goes viral.

Posted by: Smellslikevictory at October 06, 2025 06:14 PM (jPdyB)

350 3 commandments of MSM's religion:

Thou shall not pounce.
Thou shall not seize.
Thou shall not grab them by the pussy.

Posted by: Cray Cray at October 06, 2025 06:20 PM (EES2L)

351 It is both surreal and yet expected to see the killing from the left. They are absolutely out of their fucking minds mad.

I never thought I'd see this in my lifetime.

But witnessing everything since 2016... Unreal

Posted by: melodicmetal1 at October 06, 2025 06:27 PM (XLfSN)

352 IT IS GOING TO START IN CHICAGO SOON.

This afternoon the mayor of Chicago issued his version of an executive order. ICE personnel are now barred from designated areas of the city. The report comes from Zerohedge, a reputable news and financial site.

https://tinyurl.com/4r63bjj4

They can't let him get away with this.

Subotai Bahadur

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