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THE MORNING RANT: Virtually No One Actually Charges Their Plug-In Hybrid EV
Plug-in hybrid electric vehicles ("PHEVs") may be the most preposterous product that was developed during the EV bubble and hype. They are a solution in search of a problem. (Plug-in hybrids are entirely different than traditional Prius-style hybrids, which are gasoline-powered vehicles that use regenerative braking to generate supplemental electricity for propulsion, but which cannot be externally charged like PHEVs.)
The argument for PHEVs is that they "solve" the range problem of pure battery electric vehicles ("BEVs") by having both a standard internal combustion engine ("ICE") and also a lithium-battery electric drivetrain, allowing them to be charged via a cord. But with two entirely separate engines under the hood, PHEVs have more ways to fail and a whole lot of extra weight, making them poor-performing alternatives to either pure ICE or pure electric cars. They also add a gasoline bomb to a potential lithium runaway thermal fire. Of course, the obvious solution to the range limitations of a BEV is not to buy one, and to buy a gasoline-powered ICE vehicle instead. To be fair, PHEVs do solve one problem. They allow people who want to identify as EV-drivers, but who really need (and prefer) ICE cars, to be able to pat themselves on the back for buying a chargeable electric vehicle. The only problem is that they just aren’t charging their PHEVs. Virtually no one who buys a plug-in hybrid EV is actually plugging it in! “Basically No One Plugs in Their Plug-In Hybrids; Toyota Thinks It Has the Solution” [Motor Trend – 9/18/2025] This Motor Trend article states that not plugging-in ”defeats the purpose of a PHEV.”After all, if you're not charging your PHEV, you're basically driving a regular hybrid with hundreds of extra pounds of electronics and other gear on board. That's more inefficient and defeats the purpose of a PHEV.That’s not the case. As I just mentioned, the purpose of buying a plug-in hybrid is for the self-satisfaction of owning a chargeable vehicle without the hassle of ever actually charging it. So Toyota is working to get people to actually plug in their PHEVs by developing apps, games, and notification protocols to remind people to plug their car into the wall.
To achieve these increases, the app delivered just-in-time reminders such as push notifications that were said to be 50 percent more effective than generic prompts. It also applied positive reinforcement in the form of messages that rewarded streaks, delivered encouragement, and summarized their charging habits.As if there weren’t already enough reasons not to buy a PHEV, a car that constantly nags me with electronic reminders and push notifications sounds like pure torture. Perhaps Toyota can name one of its hectoring plug-in hybrids the “Toyota AWFL.”
More seriously, the fact that there is a near-zero incidence of people charging a vehicle that has the alternative option of being gassed up proves that an occasional 5-minute stop at the gas station is ultimately less hassle and more time efficient than daily wall charging. As to the argument that charging is cheaper, we are talking about people who already paid a significant premium for the “hood ornament” that identifies the car as a chargeable EV. A dollar saved is not meaningful compared to the value of their time.
EV enthusiasts will argue that the daily ritual of plugging-in your vehicle when you get home, and then unplugging it when you leave again, takes only a minute or two, so there is no reason it can’t be done on a daily basis. Here are some other household rituals that only take a minute or two, but aren’t necessarily performed on a daily basis or immediately attended to in all households: flossing, putting dishes in the dishwasher rather than the sink, unloading the dishwasher, putting up all clothes at all times, not leaving personal items on counters or tables, taking out trash, watering houseplants, cleaning the litter box, etc. There are a multitude of daily chores that only take a couple of minutes, but they add up to a significant capture of valuable personal time. Small chores that can be put off a couple days tend to be put off. Charging a plug-in hybrid is one of those household chores. It’s clear that PHEV drivers have reasoned that the occasional fill-up while doing errands or commuting is preferable to a doing an annoying household chore 14 times per week (e.g. – plugging-in and unplugging their car ever day.) A relative of mine had a Tesla and was constantly running late because she “forgot” to charge her car. Actually, she prioritized more important things than her car whenever she got home. While EV super-fans may enjoy the ritual (sacrament?) of plugging their cars in each evening, sort of like how boaters enjoy the task of scrubbing their boat after a day on the water, for those of us for whom cars are necessary appliances, daily car maintenance is an unwanted burden. A busy parent doesn’t have time to think about tethering the car to the wall of the garage when there are children to unbuckle, groceries to unload, dinner to start preparing, etc. It seems likely that plug-in hybrids have about as much future as pure electric vehicles, serving as a boutique, status-symbol product that does not serve the needs of the majority of car drivers. Meanwhile, traditional Prius-style hybrids continue to grow in popularity because they do provide a benefit, specifically, much better gas mileage in city driving, without the hassle of having to charge the vehicle. [buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]Comments
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Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 29, 2025 11:01 AM (ySpAZ)
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Not first!
Posted by: Polka will never die at September 29, 2025 11:01 AM (5xvZ1)
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No burning desire to plug.
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at September 29, 2025 11:01 AM (YRncM)
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Nth!
Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at September 29, 2025 11:02 AM (OUMaO)
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Plug this
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 29, 2025 11:02 AM (Q4IgG)
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The Others have been summoned.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 29, 2025 11:02 AM (ySpAZ)
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(Obligatory)
Another Throckmorton EV rant!
(I got no problems with it. Just getting it out of the way. Carry on.)
Another Throckmorton EV rant!
(I got no problems with it. Just getting it out of the way. Carry on.)
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at September 29, 2025 11:03 AM (WvZaB)
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Howdy!
Posted by: Moonbeam at September 29, 2025 11:03 AM (rbKZ6)
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Completely agree -- the beauty of a hybrid is that you don't have to charge it. Why they make ones that plug in is weird.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2025 11:03 AM (GbwPZ)
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4 Nth!
Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at September 29, 2025 11:02 AM
*considers set of comments where N=4*
Logic checks out.
Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at September 29, 2025 11:02 AM
*considers set of comments where N=4*
Logic checks out.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 29, 2025 11:03 AM (ySpAZ)
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I remain super happy with my Hyundai 2017 Hybrid.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at September 29, 2025 11:04 AM (P3X50)
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To achieve these increases, the app delivered just-in-time reminders such as push notifications that were said to be 50 percent more effective than generic prompts. It also applied positive reinforcement in the form of messages that rewarded streaks, delivered encouragement, and summarized their charging habits.
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"People buy these expensive contraptions, but don't really use them much. What can we do about it? We want customers using the feature because it's expensive and we'd like them to buy it again. Shelfware doesn't make for repeat customers, so let's hear some ideas, people!"
:: muttering around the table ::
"How about we nag them via a mobile app? We can cause loss-of-value fear while harvesting data. Even if it doesn't work and they don't start using the feature, we still get to scrape all that delicious data from 'em anyway, and it will enable more aggressive targeting if we want to do that in the future."
"BRILLIANT!"
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"People buy these expensive contraptions, but don't really use them much. What can we do about it? We want customers using the feature because it's expensive and we'd like them to buy it again. Shelfware doesn't make for repeat customers, so let's hear some ideas, people!"
:: muttering around the table ::
"How about we nag them via a mobile app? We can cause loss-of-value fear while harvesting data. Even if it doesn't work and they don't start using the feature, we still get to scrape all that delicious data from 'em anyway, and it will enable more aggressive targeting if we want to do that in the future."
"BRILLIANT!"
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:04 AM (B2vkr)
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So is "PHEV" pronounced "fev?"
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 11:04 AM (77rzZ)
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I might as well plug in a gas heater next to a gasoline tank in my garage. No thank you.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 29, 2025 11:04 AM (abIsI)
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as i understand it, the prius plug-in hybrid has two batteries: the normal hybrid battery and the larger plug-in battery. the ice engine cannot charge the larger plug-in battery; it can only be charged by plugging it in.
Posted by: anachronda at September 29, 2025 11:05 AM (sGtp+)
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As if there weren’t already enough reasons not to buy a PHEV, a car that constantly nags me with electronic reminders and push notifications sounds like pure torture. Perhaps Toyota can name one of its hectoring plug-in hybrids the “Toyota AWFL.”
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Does the car work without the app? If so, there's an obvious solution here.
I am a stone-age dinosaur and have a fairly strict "no apps" policy. The mobile phone is the least secure device ever conceived, and apps are *all* nothing but data-harvesting systems. Without exception. If I *must* use an app to do something, I don't do that thing. This requires more homework than ever to achieve. You'd be astounded just how many good to high-end WiFi routers, for example, require a damn spy-app to function.
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Does the car work without the app? If so, there's an obvious solution here.
I am a stone-age dinosaur and have a fairly strict "no apps" policy. The mobile phone is the least secure device ever conceived, and apps are *all* nothing but data-harvesting systems. Without exception. If I *must* use an app to do something, I don't do that thing. This requires more homework than ever to achieve. You'd be astounded just how many good to high-end WiFi routers, for example, require a damn spy-app to function.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:06 AM (B2vkr)
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I had a Ford Fusion hybrid for a while and really liked it. I happened to be parked next to a PHEV model and asked the driver what he though. His response was to open the trunk and show how little space was left over after the PHEV battery pack was shoved in there. My hybrid only had a usable trunk. His was only good for two bags of groceries.
Posted by: Rick T at September 29, 2025 11:06 AM (xeXUW)
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13 So is "PHEV" pronounced "fev?"
i've got a phever and the only cure ismore cowbell plugging me into the wall.
i've got a phever and the only cure is
Posted by: anachronda at September 29, 2025 11:06 AM (sGtp+)
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Beyond the inconvenience, there's the toll it takes on the electrical grid. Why would you want cars to require charging, which affects grid capacity the more EVs are used, when it's not necessary.
Nothing about EVs makes sense. They are designed to fail, to not just destroy individual car use, but to destroy are current electric grid capacity.
Nothing about EVs makes sense. They are designed to fail, to not just destroy individual car use, but to destroy are current electric grid capacity.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2025 11:06 AM (GbwPZ)
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 11:07 AM (Riz8t)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, [0] Day(s) Since Leftist Terror Attack! at September 29, 2025 11:07 AM (L/fGl)
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I really liked my Lincoln MKZ hybrids. 40mpg .
Posted by: Oedipus at September 29, 2025 11:07 AM (K3qLL)
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These PHEV's will be the darling of the "I burned down my house for the insurance $$ " set.
Posted by: Polka will never die at September 29, 2025 11:07 AM (5xvZ1)
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Yay! A Buck EV rant! But no incendiary photos. Oh, well, can't have everything.
Posted by: Hunka Burnin' Love at September 29, 2025 11:07 AM (oftw2)
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EV enthusiasts will argue that the daily ritual of plugging-in your vehicle when you get home, and then unplugging it when you leave again, takes only a minute or two, so there is no reason it can’t be done on a daily basis.
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Which is, in fact, true. It isn't difficult or time-consuming. Doesn't even take a couple of minutes, it takes a couple of seconds. This is not a major inconvenience or barrier. The cost of a home charger is a different story, as are various other trade-offs, but this isn't actually that big a deal and will be a deal-breaker for nobody. If you want an EV, you're already cool with this and it's a rounding error on the inconveniences of daily life.
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Which is, in fact, true. It isn't difficult or time-consuming. Doesn't even take a couple of minutes, it takes a couple of seconds. This is not a major inconvenience or barrier. The cost of a home charger is a different story, as are various other trade-offs, but this isn't actually that big a deal and will be a deal-breaker for nobody. If you want an EV, you're already cool with this and it's a rounding error on the inconveniences of daily life.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:08 AM (B2vkr)
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>>I am a stone-age dinosaur and have a fairly strict "no apps" policy. The mobile phone is the least secure device ever conceived, and apps are *all* nothing but data-harvesting systems. Without exception. If I *must* use an app to do something, I don't do that thing. This requires more homework than ever to achieve. You'd be astounded just how many good to high-end WiFi routers, for example, require a damn spy-app to function.
THIS
I am app avoidant as well. No thanks!
THIS
I am app avoidant as well. No thanks!
Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2025 11:08 AM (GbwPZ)
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So are you gonna plug this big ol' car into a regular wall socket? How many centuries does that require for recharging?
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 11:08 AM (77rzZ)
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Meanwhile, traditional Prius-style hybrids continue to grow in popularity because they do provide a benefit, specifically, much better gas mileage in city driving, without the hassle of having to charge the vehicle.
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If I were in the market for a non-pure-ICE vehicle, it would be a Hybrid. I'm not, particularly, but I am open to the idea if the dollars and cents add up.
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If I were in the market for a non-pure-ICE vehicle, it would be a Hybrid. I'm not, particularly, but I am open to the idea if the dollars and cents add up.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:09 AM (B2vkr)
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The military is considering hybrids cuz they are gonna a shit ton of electricity to fight in the robot wars.
Posted by: pudinhead at September 29, 2025 11:09 AM (AdHga)
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It'd probably be easier owning a car that ran on French Fry oil.
Oh, I vegged out yesterday and Paramount+ is supposed to have a special called "The Children of October 7th." It looked great.
Oh, I vegged out yesterday and Paramount+ is supposed to have a special called "The Children of October 7th." It looked great.
Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at September 29, 2025 11:10 AM (Sco7b)
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So are you gonna plug this big ol' car into a regular wall socket? How many centuries does that require for recharging?
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 11:08 AM (77rzZ)
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Not centuries. But impractical. Need a charging station on a big dedicated circuit.
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 11:08 AM (77rzZ)
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Not centuries. But impractical. Need a charging station on a big dedicated circuit.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:10 AM (B2vkr)
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It can be lunch time
So that EV feature is spare?
So that EV feature is spare?
Posted by: Skip at September 29, 2025 11:10 AM (qe9I2)
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9 Completely agree -- the beauty of a hybrid is that you don't have to charge it. Why they make ones that plug in is weird.
Posted by: Lizzy
The stated reason is that most people do short hauls in their daily driving in urban/suburban areas. So a 30-50 miles per day roughly corresponds with the plug in solely electric range. That in turn reduces emissions locally (dunno about the total systems analysis including mfg carbon etc.) which in regards to urban and suburban areas, emissions are pretty high.
Unlike Buck in this case, I can see why some people might favor it plug in hybrids more than an EV as you can go electric for daily driving yet have the comfort of gas/regular hybrid for longer trips or when the plug in battery is depleted.
That being said, the additional costs and complexity of such systems is self limiting and likely to disappear altogether without being subsidized by government. Hybrids currently pay for themselves and the technology is pretty well developed by this time--plug in hybrids not so much as it is a niche of a niche product.
Posted by: Lizzy
The stated reason is that most people do short hauls in their daily driving in urban/suburban areas. So a 30-50 miles per day roughly corresponds with the plug in solely electric range. That in turn reduces emissions locally (dunno about the total systems analysis including mfg carbon etc.) which in regards to urban and suburban areas, emissions are pretty high.
Unlike Buck in this case, I can see why some people might favor it plug in hybrids more than an EV as you can go electric for daily driving yet have the comfort of gas/regular hybrid for longer trips or when the plug in battery is depleted.
That being said, the additional costs and complexity of such systems is self limiting and likely to disappear altogether without being subsidized by government. Hybrids currently pay for themselves and the technology is pretty well developed by this time--plug in hybrids not so much as it is a niche of a niche product.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:11 AM (WDjG6)
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as i understand it, the prius plug-in hybrid has two batteries: the normal hybrid battery and the larger plug-in battery. the ice engine cannot charge the larger plug-in battery; it can only be charged by plugging it in.
Posted by: anachronda
That's about F'n stoopid.
Posted by: anachronda
That's about F'n stoopid.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 29, 2025 11:12 AM (Q9Vcs)
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So Toyota is working to get people to actually plug in their PHEVs by developing apps, games, and notification protocols to remind people to plug their car into the wall.
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I saw a PSA on TV last night urging headbangers to wear earplugs when they go to concerts to prevent hearing loss. The entire thing had a pseudo cool, fellow headbangers style.
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I saw a PSA on TV last night urging headbangers to wear earplugs when they go to concerts to prevent hearing loss. The entire thing had a pseudo cool, fellow headbangers style.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, [0] Day(s) Since Leftist Terror Attack! at September 29, 2025 11:12 AM (L/fGl)
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Electric cars make sense for the wealthy who rarely go far, have a garage or space to set up a dedicated charging station, and can afford a secondary gas car for when they do go on a trip.
If you are in that demographic, it might make sense to have an EV. If you ignore the fire risk.
And pretty much everyone in that demographic does have one. For everyone else, it doesn't make sense. And so we don't have one.
If you are in that demographic, it might make sense to have an EV. If you ignore the fire risk.
And pretty much everyone in that demographic does have one. For everyone else, it doesn't make sense. And so we don't have one.
Posted by: SimoHayek at September 29, 2025 11:13 AM (/x+Xd)
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The massive con job the government and the EV manufacturers pulled on the American public is shameful.
Yet, the American public is apparently pretty receptive to being conned. Some of them at least. But not enough.
So the Feds step in and mandate. What was the mandate supposed to do? Make the public less mobile and more controllable. Because a mobile society is difficult to subjugate. Everything else about the EV push is horseshit.
Yet, the American public is apparently pretty receptive to being conned. Some of them at least. But not enough.
So the Feds step in and mandate. What was the mandate supposed to do? Make the public less mobile and more controllable. Because a mobile society is difficult to subjugate. Everything else about the EV push is horseshit.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 29, 2025 11:13 AM (Q4IgG)
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If you want an EV, you're already cool with this and it's a rounding error on the inconveniences of daily life.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:08 AM (B2vkr)
Yes...at home is no problem. But... what about when one travels?
I rented a nice Mercedes plug-in hybrid last month in France, and it took 7+ hours to charge for a grand total of 62 kilometers of range. And it was charging on a high-speed Porsche charging station.
The additional weight of the battery and motors made the car sub-optimal. A larger IC engine would have made it a much better performer.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:08 AM (B2vkr)
Yes...at home is no problem. But... what about when one travels?
I rented a nice Mercedes plug-in hybrid last month in France, and it took 7+ hours to charge for a grand total of 62 kilometers of range. And it was charging on a high-speed Porsche charging station.
The additional weight of the battery and motors made the car sub-optimal. A larger IC engine would have made it a much better performer.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at September 29, 2025 11:14 AM (n9ltV)
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EV vehicles are extra heavy for their size. They should be paying extra road taxes and an additional stupid tax.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 29, 2025 11:15 AM (abIsI)
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31 So are you gonna plug this big ol' car into a regular wall socket? How many centuries does that require for recharging?
Posted by: Bulg
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Chrysler's Plug In Pacifica hybrid is an example--gets about 30-40 miles on electric only and requires about 2 hours charge to replenish that batteries. Enterprise had a few for rental but most people avoided them. Lots of technology teething problems with the Pacifica hybrid as you would expect and that is reflected in reviews.
Posted by: Bulg
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Chrysler's Plug In Pacifica hybrid is an example--gets about 30-40 miles on electric only and requires about 2 hours charge to replenish that batteries. Enterprise had a few for rental but most people avoided them. Lots of technology teething problems with the Pacifica hybrid as you would expect and that is reflected in reviews.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:16 AM (WDjG6)
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"...flossing, putting dishes in the dishwasher rather than the sink, unloading the dishwasher, putting up all clothes at all times, not leaving personal items on counters or tables, taking out trash, watering houseplants, cleaning the litter box, etc."
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And recycling.
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And recycling.
Posted by: Person who doesn't recycle. at September 29, 2025 11:16 AM (XQo4F)
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The massive con job the government and the EV manufacturers pulled on the American public is shameful. ...
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 29, 2025 11:13 AM (Q4IgG)
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In part. A lot of it has been the cudgel of state. Governments around the world (and ours wasn't/isn't even the worst of them) pushed it hard and threatened plenty of regulatory action to enforce it. Industry went all-in at the direct prodding of major governments, and hoping for an incentives-and-sales bonanza that only one EV manufacturer has *ever* been able to achieve (Tesla).
And that party is now over, with the manufacturers and the taxpayers holding the bag. The whole thing was manipulation, top to bottom and only one manufacturer considered alternatives. Toyota is going to king of the hill as a result. They alone didn't go all-in on EVs.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 29, 2025 11:13 AM (Q4IgG)
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In part. A lot of it has been the cudgel of state. Governments around the world (and ours wasn't/isn't even the worst of them) pushed it hard and threatened plenty of regulatory action to enforce it. Industry went all-in at the direct prodding of major governments, and hoping for an incentives-and-sales bonanza that only one EV manufacturer has *ever* been able to achieve (Tesla).
And that party is now over, with the manufacturers and the taxpayers holding the bag. The whole thing was manipulation, top to bottom and only one manufacturer considered alternatives. Toyota is going to king of the hill as a result. They alone didn't go all-in on EVs.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:16 AM (B2vkr)
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Trump Says He ‘Would Imagine’ DOJ Is Investigating Ex-FBI Director Wray
‘I think a lot of his service was very inappropriate. But, we haven’t gone beyond that,’ the president told NBC News.
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Trump being circumspect. hmmm
‘I think a lot of his service was very inappropriate. But, we haven’t gone beyond that,’ the president told NBC News.
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Trump being circumspect. hmmm
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 29, 2025 11:17 AM (XH6Dk)
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>I am a stone-age dinosaur and have a fairly strict "no apps" policy. The mobile phone is the least secure device ever conceived, and apps are *all* nothing but data-harvesting systems. Without exception. If I *must* use an app to do something, I don't do that thing. This requires more homework than ever to achieve. You'd be astounded just how many good to high-end WiFi routers, for example, require a damn spy-app to function.
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Everyone knew everything about our information long before the advent of the iPhone.
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Everyone knew everything about our information long before the advent of the iPhone.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at September 29, 2025 11:17 AM (g8Ew8)
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>>EV enthusiasts will argue that the daily ritual of plugging-in your vehicle when you get home, and then unplugging it when you leave again, takes only a minute or two, so there is no reason it can’t be done on a daily basis.
Ah, efficiency! This epic rant was triggered by a tech bro's comment about H1b visas, but within it is so much how I feel about all of these tech things pushed on us: https://tinyurl.com/yy47pwn3 (h/t atc)
". . .We don't need a faster Javascript installer, or whatever exactly the hell it is you are making. We never even asked for one. We also don't need chatbots that can redraw the Mona Lisa in the style of Studio Gihbli and lie to us about Norse mythology and the Revolutionary War, or robotaxis that only serve twenty square blocks of San Fransisco.
What the hell has Silicon Valley actually built in the last ten years that benefits Americans? As far as I can see, your Ubers and Doordashes and Taskrabbits look like nothing more than a sad attempt by a bunch of overfunded manchildren to replace their mommies. . . "
Ah, efficiency! This epic rant was triggered by a tech bro's comment about H1b visas, but within it is so much how I feel about all of these tech things pushed on us: https://tinyurl.com/yy47pwn3 (h/t atc)
". . .We don't need a faster Javascript installer, or whatever exactly the hell it is you are making. We never even asked for one. We also don't need chatbots that can redraw the Mona Lisa in the style of Studio Gihbli and lie to us about Norse mythology and the Revolutionary War, or robotaxis that only serve twenty square blocks of San Fransisco.
What the hell has Silicon Valley actually built in the last ten years that benefits Americans? As far as I can see, your Ubers and Doordashes and Taskrabbits look like nothing more than a sad attempt by a bunch of overfunded manchildren to replace their mommies. . . "
Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2025 11:17 AM (GbwPZ)
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I think that a true Hybrid is a decent compromise, but as others have noted they are very heavy and dense, and like you said, potentially more deadly than either a normal car or an EV. But we've been running diesel electric trains for half a century now and worked out the kinks pretty well.
If steam cars didn't take so long to build up a head of steam to go anywhere they might be a valid option too, since we're so fixated on century-old failed technology for cars these days.
If steam cars didn't take so long to build up a head of steam to go anywhere they might be a valid option too, since we're so fixated on century-old failed technology for cars these days.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2025 11:17 AM (dfIr7)
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apps are *all* nothing but data-harvesting systems.
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They have numerous big name celeries doing TV commercials for the free, free to play, no ads Royal Kingdom app. You've got to wonder about the economics.
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They have numerous big name celeries doing TV commercials for the free, free to play, no ads Royal Kingdom app. You've got to wonder about the economics.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, [0] Day(s) Since Leftist Terror Attack! at September 29, 2025 11:18 AM (L/fGl)
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I have an mountain bike which I modded with an electric kit and I charge it... almost every day.
And it's absolutely true that plugging it in is one of the dozen daily chores a busy parent has to do, and that's exactly why I forgot to plug it in friday. (Not that it was a problem, I can go several rides without plugging it in)
And it's absolutely true that plugging it in is one of the dozen daily chores a busy parent has to do, and that's exactly why I forgot to plug it in friday. (Not that it was a problem, I can go several rides without plugging it in)
Posted by: fb at September 29, 2025 11:18 AM (JVEmw)
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Here's what I don't get
for decades, auto makers have made advances in auto safety. Radial tires, laminated glass, seat belts, crumple zones, air bags, etc
then some genius decided we needed touch screens on the dashboard
how is that not a major distraction
please form a line to tell me why I am wrong about this
for decades, auto makers have made advances in auto safety. Radial tires, laminated glass, seat belts, crumple zones, air bags, etc
then some genius decided we needed touch screens on the dashboard
how is that not a major distraction
please form a line to tell me why I am wrong about this
Posted by: Don Black at September 29, 2025 11:18 AM (AOsQT)
Posted by: anachronda at September 29, 2025 11:18 AM (sGtp+)
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If I were in the market for a non-pure-ICE vehicle, it would be a Hybrid. I'm not, particularly, but I am open to the idea if the dollars and cents add up.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:09 AM
Dollars and cents aside, not sure why anyone would consider any kind of EV (BEV, PHEV, HEV), considering the thermal runaway risk for all of them. Not to mention the big decrease in value of the vehicle due to the HV (High Voltage) Battery. Not to also mention the likely totaling of the car after an accident if the HV Battery or Battery Carrier is damaged.
Back in 2008 when Ford came out with the Ford Escape HEV, I calculated that one had to own it for 5 years before you would start saving money on gasoline purchases compared to a gasoline vehicle (since you pay more up front for HEV than gasoline vehicle). Which is where the government tax credit came in to bridge that 5-year wait. With the tax credit gone, I don't see any financial benefit to an HEV.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:09 AM
Dollars and cents aside, not sure why anyone would consider any kind of EV (BEV, PHEV, HEV), considering the thermal runaway risk for all of them. Not to mention the big decrease in value of the vehicle due to the HV (High Voltage) Battery. Not to also mention the likely totaling of the car after an accident if the HV Battery or Battery Carrier is damaged.
Back in 2008 when Ford came out with the Ford Escape HEV, I calculated that one had to own it for 5 years before you would start saving money on gasoline purchases compared to a gasoline vehicle (since you pay more up front for HEV than gasoline vehicle). Which is where the government tax credit came in to bridge that 5-year wait. With the tax credit gone, I don't see any financial benefit to an HEV.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 29, 2025 11:18 AM (P5BPp)
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Yes...at home is no problem. But... what about when one travels?
I watched a video where they were testing the tow capacity of an EV pickup truck. They were towing a trailer with a backhoe on it. They had to disconnect the trailer at every charge station because the truck/trailer would not fit
in the charging station.
Yes...at home is no problem. But... what about when one travels?
I watched a video where they were testing the tow capacity of an EV pickup truck. They were towing a trailer with a backhoe on it. They had to disconnect the trailer at every charge station because the truck/trailer would not fit
in the charging station.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 29, 2025 11:18 AM (abIsI)
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EVs … heh. Heh-heh. Heh-heh-heh. Heh-heh-heh-heh-heh! Heh. Heh-heh. O, that's a GOOD one!
Posted by: Dr_No at September 29, 2025 11:18 AM (ayRl+)
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Yes...at home is no problem. But... what about when one travels? ...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at September 29, 2025 11:14 AM (n9ltV)
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"When one travels" is one of those use cases for which an EV is just the wrong fit. They are in-town (or at most, near-town) cars. If you need to drive real distance, they're not the right choice.
The biggest difference fundamentally between ICE and EV is that ICE is all things to all men. Economy? You can get it. Power? You can get it. Range? You can get it. EVs are some things to some men.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at September 29, 2025 11:14 AM (n9ltV)
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"When one travels" is one of those use cases for which an EV is just the wrong fit. They are in-town (or at most, near-town) cars. If you need to drive real distance, they're not the right choice.
The biggest difference fundamentally between ICE and EV is that ICE is all things to all men. Economy? You can get it. Power? You can get it. Range? You can get it. EVs are some things to some men.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:18 AM (B2vkr)
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Maj. Healey: 39 EV vehicles are extra heavy for their size. They should be paying extra road taxes and an additional stupid tax.
As a rule I think Throckmorton's morning hateboner for EVs insists on itself, so I don't much comment on such threads, but I agree with this comment.
Definitely EVs pose a problem for multilevel parking garages, which were designed when vehicles were decreasing in mass relative to size. (As SUVs entered the picture, the garages simply repainted the dividers so that SUVs took up more space.)
As a rule I think Throckmorton's morning hateboner for EVs insists on itself, so I don't much comment on such threads, but I agree with this comment.
Definitely EVs pose a problem for multilevel parking garages, which were designed when vehicles were decreasing in mass relative to size. (As SUVs entered the picture, the garages simply repainted the dividers so that SUVs took up more space.)
Posted by: gKWVE at September 29, 2025 11:18 AM (tL5sl)
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I would think that adding an internal charging module to a hybrid vehicle would add much weight, cost, or complexity. Is the suggestion that larger batteries would be needed to have a practical effect?
Posted by: toby928 at September 29, 2025 11:19 AM (jc0TO)
Posted by: toby928 at September 29, 2025 11:19 AM (jc0TO)
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Add a redundant steam boiler that runs on wood pellets or chips. A trifecta of power plants. I think we can keep weight of vehicle under 20,000 lbs. That's only 1,428 stone for British cars.
Posted by: Practical Solutions, Inc. at September 29, 2025 11:19 AM (oftw2)
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Meanwhile, traditional Prius-style hybrids continue to grow in popularity because they do provide a benefit, specifically, much better gas mileage in city driving, without the hassle of having to charge the vehicle.
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If I were in the market for a non-pure-ICE vehicle, it would be a Hybrid. I'm not, particularly, but I am open to the idea if the dollars and cents add up.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:09 AM
We are starting to look for a replacement for the wife's Honda CR-V. It's got a couple of years left on it but we are probably going to replace it with a hybrid. So far the Honda CR-V hybrid is the hands down winner. Car and Driver has it as the top rated hybrid SUV for 2025. It's got the best battery warranty at 8 years or 100,000 miles. We rarely put more than 80-90K miles on a car in 10 years so that works fine for us. We are going to give it a year or so and trade hers in on it.
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If I were in the market for a non-pure-ICE vehicle, it would be a Hybrid. I'm not, particularly, but I am open to the idea if the dollars and cents add up.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:09 AM
We are starting to look for a replacement for the wife's Honda CR-V. It's got a couple of years left on it but we are probably going to replace it with a hybrid. So far the Honda CR-V hybrid is the hands down winner. Car and Driver has it as the top rated hybrid SUV for 2025. It's got the best battery warranty at 8 years or 100,000 miles. We rarely put more than 80-90K miles on a car in 10 years so that works fine for us. We are going to give it a year or so and trade hers in on it.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 29, 2025 11:19 AM (0N4FZ)
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The comparison to boats is apt, probably in certain social circles having an electric car is a sign you have made it.
Posted by: PG at September 29, 2025 11:19 AM (ErruU)
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I am gonna need to buy an SUV in the near future
Current one is nearing the "getting more expensive to fix than it's worth" stage
Current one is nearing the "getting more expensive to fix than it's worth" stage
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at September 29, 2025 11:19 AM (U1FmN)
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47 They have numerous big name celeries doing TV commercials for the free, free to play, no ads Royal Kingdom app.
not certain whether autocucumber or editorial comment
not certain whether autocucumber or editorial comment
Posted by: anachronda at September 29, 2025 11:20 AM (sGtp+)
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Daughter wrecked my 15000 mile driven 2020 Kia Optima apparently to the 75% point, so I'm gonna get it totaled vs fixed (totally a racket b/c the entire "under the hood" is perfect - it's all body work on side doors and side back panel and tire and welding things on, but apparently, in the current environment, that's $14K...sigh).
Dreading looking for a car, but spouse is doing a solid and walking to his commute every morning since it's fall, so it doesn't suck...may do that for a few months while I get reacquainted with the car industry (my other cars are older, and I was really planning on replacing them next year, but oh well...those I'll have awhile more)...
Dreading looking for a car, but spouse is doing a solid and walking to his commute every morning since it's fall, so it doesn't suck...may do that for a few months while I get reacquainted with the car industry (my other cars are older, and I was really planning on replacing them next year, but oh well...those I'll have awhile more)...
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2025 11:20 AM (tOcjL)
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"Meanwhile, traditional Prius-style hybrids continue to grow in popularity because they do provide a benefit, specifically, much better gas mileage in city driving, without the hassle of having to charge the vehicle."
They are excellent in performance but you will NEVER see me put my family in a car with any sizable li-ion battery when the highways are full of third world retards, seniors don't get mandatory retesting, supply chains are shit and China is saber rattling and Dems want to ban cars, and political violence is on the uptick.
I've been shot at while driving. I know people shot at and killed, very recently. Some locals burned in a car here a few months ago. Burning in an EV fire is 100% avoidable.
They are excellent in performance but you will NEVER see me put my family in a car with any sizable li-ion battery when the highways are full of third world retards, seniors don't get mandatory retesting, supply chains are shit and China is saber rattling and Dems want to ban cars, and political violence is on the uptick.
I've been shot at while driving. I know people shot at and killed, very recently. Some locals burned in a car here a few months ago. Burning in an EV fire is 100% avoidable.
Posted by: heya at September 29, 2025 11:20 AM (MPfWZ)
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If not a charger,and the expense of getting one at home I have no idea where on my area you can go hang out for a few hours.
There are so.e Wawa quick stops with Tesla charges in beside them but a co-worker told me they are only for Tesla EV
There are so.e Wawa quick stops with Tesla charges in beside them but a co-worker told me they are only for Tesla EV
Posted by: Skip at September 29, 2025 11:20 AM (qe9I2)
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Thx Buck
@55 a parking garage collapsed in NYC a couple of years ago killing at least one person. The weight of EVs was blamed
@55 a parking garage collapsed in NYC a couple of years ago killing at least one person. The weight of EVs was blamed
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 29, 2025 11:20 AM (A2I8b)
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>>Unlike Buck in this case, I can see why some people might favor it plug in hybrids more than an EV as you can go electric for daily driving yet have the comfort of gas/regular hybrid for longer trips or when the plug in battery is depleted.
Oh, clarification: was comparing plug-in hybrids to the non-plug-in hybrid. Had a Rav4 hybrid that required no plug-in. Better mileage than gas only without the fuss of a plug-in.
Oh, clarification: was comparing plug-in hybrids to the non-plug-in hybrid. Had a Rav4 hybrid that required no plug-in. Better mileage than gas only without the fuss of a plug-in.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2025 11:21 AM (GbwPZ)
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We were looking at the Volvo unit, but I think they may be moving away from that due to the complexity of it all.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 29, 2025 11:21 AM (a1415)
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Toyota is going to king of the hill as a result. They alone didn't go all-in on EVs.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
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Definitely did not hurt Toyota except some bad PR by the press for not YOLO to EVs along with the stupid companies.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
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Definitely did not hurt Toyota except some bad PR by the press for not YOLO to EVs along with the stupid companies.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:21 AM (WDjG6)
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51 Dollars and cents aside, not sure why anyone would consider any kind of EV (BEV, PHEV, HEV), considering the thermal runaway risk for all of them.
ah. well, i drive a 20 year old prius. nickel metal hydride batteries don't do that.
ah. well, i drive a 20 year old prius. nickel metal hydride batteries don't do that.
Posted by: anachronda at September 29, 2025 11:22 AM (sGtp+)
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for decades, auto makers have made advances in auto safety. Radial tires, laminated glass, seat belts, crumple zones, air bags, etc
then some genius decided we needed touch screens on the dashboard
how is that not a major distraction ...
Posted by: Don Black at September 29, 2025 11:18 AM (AOsQT)
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Touchscreen-driven vehicle management solves a major problem, which is "how do I interact with the vast network of configurable devices efficiently?" Everything in a modern car is networked. The switch for the heated seat? Software-controlled on the local network. Blower speed? Software-controlled on the local network. *Everything* is this way now. So to provide customization of all that requires an interface, and it becomes a problem because the temptation - for obvious reasons - is to put *everything* in that lovely, extensible interface.
But that interface requires *attention*, and that is a bad thing in a car. Whoever designed these systems where everything is touchscreen has no regard for reality. Some things really should have dedicated buttons the driver doesn't to look at or think about his interactions.
then some genius decided we needed touch screens on the dashboard
how is that not a major distraction ...
Posted by: Don Black at September 29, 2025 11:18 AM (AOsQT)
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Touchscreen-driven vehicle management solves a major problem, which is "how do I interact with the vast network of configurable devices efficiently?" Everything in a modern car is networked. The switch for the heated seat? Software-controlled on the local network. Blower speed? Software-controlled on the local network. *Everything* is this way now. So to provide customization of all that requires an interface, and it becomes a problem because the temptation - for obvious reasons - is to put *everything* in that lovely, extensible interface.
But that interface requires *attention*, and that is a bad thing in a car. Whoever designed these systems where everything is touchscreen has no regard for reality. Some things really should have dedicated buttons the driver doesn't to look at or think about his interactions.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:22 AM (B2vkr)
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A Roomba vacuum cleaner can home in on its charging station, and plug in unaided. No reason at all that electric cars could not do the same.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2025 11:22 AM (o46Y5)
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They also add a gasoline bomb to a potential lithium runaway thermal fire.
The grid doesn't need the extra strain strain either, and until nuclear comes back around, it seems to me that the losses to heat are greater by generating the electricity to power your car than just running on gasoline or diesel.
If terrorists wouldn't invert ways to blow us up with hydrogen, it could be an option.
The grid doesn't need the extra strain strain either, and until nuclear comes back around, it seems to me that the losses to heat are greater by generating the electricity to power your car than just running on gasoline or diesel.
If terrorists wouldn't invert ways to blow us up with hydrogen, it could be an option.
Posted by: sTevo at September 29, 2025 11:23 AM (CWGlO)
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please form a line to tell me why I am wrong about this
Posted by: Don Black
You're not right often, but when you are, it's spot on!
Posted by: Don Black
You're not right often, but when you are, it's spot on!
Posted by: Arbiter of Good Taste. at September 29, 2025 11:23 AM (oftw2)
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a parking garage collapsed in NYC a couple of years ago killing at least one person. The weight of EVs was blamed
Posted by: Smell the Glove
NYC also must share the blame for not maintaining its infrastructure, which neglect is malicious for cars of all kinds.
Posted by: Smell the Glove
NYC also must share the blame for not maintaining its infrastructure, which neglect is malicious for cars of all kinds.
Posted by: gKWVE at September 29, 2025 11:23 AM (tL5sl)
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67 Oh, clarification: was comparing plug-in hybrids to the non-plug-in hybrid. Had a Rav4 hybrid that required no plug-in. Better mileage than gas only without the fuss of a plug-in.
yeah, well, see, the thing about hybrids is it allows the engine to be sized for *average* use rather than *peak* use. which is great until you go driving in the mountains.
yeah, well, see, the thing about hybrids is it allows the engine to be sized for *average* use rather than *peak* use. which is great until you go driving in the mountains.
Posted by: anachronda at September 29, 2025 11:23 AM (sGtp+)
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Completely agree -- the beauty of a hybrid is that you don't have to charge it. Why they make ones that plug in is weird.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2025 11:03 AM
The logic is actually pretty simple to follow. If you want an electric car as a daily driver, so you would need no gas for your typical short commute, that you can also take on occasional longer trips without having to do the long charging stop thing every three or four hours, you could buy a plug-in hybrid and get the best of both worlds.
I know a fellow who actually bought and drove a Chevy Volt exactly like this, or so he said.
I don't think that an all electric commute would give me enough of an advantage to consider doing that, but it does appeal to some people.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2025 11:03 AM
The logic is actually pretty simple to follow. If you want an electric car as a daily driver, so you would need no gas for your typical short commute, that you can also take on occasional longer trips without having to do the long charging stop thing every three or four hours, you could buy a plug-in hybrid and get the best of both worlds.
I know a fellow who actually bought and drove a Chevy Volt exactly like this, or so he said.
I don't think that an all electric commute would give me enough of an advantage to consider doing that, but it does appeal to some people.
Posted by: Cybersmythe at September 29, 2025 11:24 AM (AnKDS)
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I’ve long maintained that what people really “need” if they so desire a rechargeable is a Golf cart. As I recall they used four (4) large six-volt lead-acid batteries wired in a series-parallel arrangement. I’m not sure of the effective range, but I would think 10 or 20 miles easily.
They should be rechargeable efficiently enough overnight without requiring more than residential standard 100 amp service? Perfect for the large number of folks who only need to commute a few miles everyday. And nobody “needs” an F950 Earthfvcker to pick up a loaf of milk and jug of bread at the store or run a few errands.
Of course NHSTA safety standards and myriad other bureaucratic rules and regs would need to be worked around. Lots of retirement and tourist areas they are de rigeur and street legal, more or less.
They should be rechargeable efficiently enough overnight without requiring more than residential standard 100 amp service? Perfect for the large number of folks who only need to commute a few miles everyday. And nobody “needs” an F950 Earthfvcker to pick up a loaf of milk and jug of bread at the store or run a few errands.
Of course NHSTA safety standards and myriad other bureaucratic rules and regs would need to be worked around. Lots of retirement and tourist areas they are de rigeur and street legal, more or less.
Posted by: Common Tater at September 29, 2025 11:24 AM (3lPIc)
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@ 39 EV vehicles are extra heavy for their size. They should be paying extra road taxes and an additional stupid tax.
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Wait until they catch fire on the 3rd or 4th floor of a parking garage whose flooring (specc'd prolly in the '60s) was never designed to carry the weight of an EV battery pack. Add fire to weaken the structural strength of the floor's cement, and you got all the ingredients for a 'drop-thru' event. They're also heavier than the original specs for the asphalt/concrete city street were designed to carry. Can you say 'Pothole City'? On the other side, EVs are just GREAT for destroying shit …
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Wait until they catch fire on the 3rd or 4th floor of a parking garage whose flooring (specc'd prolly in the '60s) was never designed to carry the weight of an EV battery pack. Add fire to weaken the structural strength of the floor's cement, and you got all the ingredients for a 'drop-thru' event. They're also heavier than the original specs for the asphalt/concrete city street were designed to carry. Can you say 'Pothole City'? On the other side, EVs are just GREAT for destroying shit …
Posted by: Dr_No at September 29, 2025 11:24 AM (ayRl+)
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>>>I am gonna need to buy an SUV in the near future
Current one is nearing the "getting more expensive to fix than it's worth" stage
I'm getting to that point myself and I'm dreading it, bigly.
Current one is nearing the "getting more expensive to fix than it's worth" stage
I'm getting to that point myself and I'm dreading it, bigly.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 29, 2025 11:25 AM (Y1sOo)
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Remember parking you car on a hill so you could get to work in the morning?
Posted by: pudinhead at September 29, 2025 11:25 AM (AdHga)
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@46 Steam cars were done in by the typhoid epidemic of 1914. To run efficiently, they couldn't use closed condenser systems, so required the addition of water about as frequently as you'd gas up an ICE. When watering troughs and ditches for horses were considered part of the infrastructure, this was no problem -- most had an onboard steam powered pump to pick it up. Once standing water was seen as a health menace, "sanitary commissions" took over and drained them. Then you had to pay for water at a filling station. It was as simple as that.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at September 29, 2025 11:25 AM (zdLoL)
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please form a line to tell me why I am wrong about this
Posted by: Don Black at September 29, 2025 11:18 AM (AOsQT)
To be fair you rarely use the touchscreen when you're driving except to change the radio . And the same tech tells you when you are too close or a car is beside you . Also the backup camera is awesome.
Posted by: Don Black at September 29, 2025 11:18 AM (AOsQT)
To be fair you rarely use the touchscreen when you're driving except to change the radio . And the same tech tells you when you are too close or a car is beside you . Also the backup camera is awesome.
Posted by: the way I see it at September 29, 2025 11:25 AM (EYmYM)
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Pretending charging was barely an inconvenience, I still don't think I could sleep comfortably with an EV parked in my garage.
Posted by: Crusader at September 29, 2025 11:26 AM (TN0g+)
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Oh, clarification: was comparing plug-in hybrids to the non-plug-in hybrid. Had a Rav4 hybrid that required no plug-in. Better mileage than gas only without the fuss of a plug-in.
Posted by: Lizzy
PHEV are a weird cluster of tech. For example, some of them recharge slightly by regenerative braking but not via the gas engine. Others, dunno if tech has made the market yet, would be essentially gas engine driving a generator which then drives electric motors at the wheels. So the generator in a PHEV situation would then supply the battery which would then supply the wheel motors. Kind of like a isolating UPS for a computer.
But doing that might very well shorten battery life and be more technically complex.
But locomotives have used diesel electric drive since forever so the technique is well known.
Posted by: Lizzy
PHEV are a weird cluster of tech. For example, some of them recharge slightly by regenerative braking but not via the gas engine. Others, dunno if tech has made the market yet, would be essentially gas engine driving a generator which then drives electric motors at the wheels. So the generator in a PHEV situation would then supply the battery which would then supply the wheel motors. Kind of like a isolating UPS for a computer.
But doing that might very well shorten battery life and be more technically complex.
But locomotives have used diesel electric drive since forever so the technique is well known.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:26 AM (WDjG6)
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>>>Perhaps Toyota can name one of its hectoring plug-in hybrids the “Toyota AWFL.”
Not to be outdone, "Kia Karen" wants to speak to your manager.
Not to be outdone, "Kia Karen" wants to speak to your manager.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 11:26 AM (i24o9)
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And that party is now over, with the manufacturers and the taxpayers holding the bag. The whole thing was manipulation, top to bottom and only one manufacturer considered alternatives. Toyota is going to king of the hill as a result. They alone didn't go all-in on EVs.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:16 AM
Sergio Marchionne, CEO of FCA (Fiat-Chrysler Automobiles) was the only automotive CEO I remember who refused to obey the EV push by Obama government. He famously said (paraphrasing from memory) "I am not building one more EV than I have to, because they lose money. I refuse to produce a product that loses the company money".
Unfortunately, soon after that he died (201
and before he was in the ground, the new management did a complete 180 and pushed the company towards EVs. And soon after the government mandate-through-crippling-regulations/fines went into effect.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:16 AM
Sergio Marchionne, CEO of FCA (Fiat-Chrysler Automobiles) was the only automotive CEO I remember who refused to obey the EV push by Obama government. He famously said (paraphrasing from memory) "I am not building one more EV than I have to, because they lose money. I refuse to produce a product that loses the company money".
Unfortunately, soon after that he died (201
and before he was in the ground, the new management did a complete 180 and pushed the company towards EVs. And soon after the government mandate-through-crippling-regulations/fines went into effect.Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 29, 2025 11:26 AM (P5BPp)
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I can't wait for the EV flying car.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 29, 2025 11:27 AM (abIsI)
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I know a fellow who actually bought and drove a Chevy Volt exactly like this, or so he said.
I don't think that an all electric commute would give me enough of an advantage to consider doing that, but it does appeal to some people.
Posted by: Cybersmythe at September 29, 2025 11:24 AM
I thought that the Volt was best of breed, apparently consumers disagreed.
I don't think that an all electric commute would give me enough of an advantage to consider doing that, but it does appeal to some people.
Posted by: Cybersmythe at September 29, 2025 11:24 AM
I thought that the Volt was best of breed, apparently consumers disagreed.
Posted by: toby928 at September 29, 2025 11:27 AM (jc0TO)
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Yes, Sergio Marchionne, the former CEO of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA), was famously skeptical about electric vehicles (EVs) due to their financial impact on the company.
In 2014, he publicly urged people not to buy the Fiat 500e, FCA's electric vehicle, stating that each one sold resulted in a loss of approximately $14,000 for the company.
He emphasized that FCA was only producing EVs to comply with U.S. federal and state regulations, particularly California's zero-emission vehicle mandates, and not because they were profitable. Marchionne's stance was that EVs were not a viable business case at the time due to high production costs and insufficient consumer demand without heavy subsidies.
In 2014, he publicly urged people not to buy the Fiat 500e, FCA's electric vehicle, stating that each one sold resulted in a loss of approximately $14,000 for the company.
He emphasized that FCA was only producing EVs to comply with U.S. federal and state regulations, particularly California's zero-emission vehicle mandates, and not because they were profitable. Marchionne's stance was that EVs were not a viable business case at the time due to high production costs and insufficient consumer demand without heavy subsidies.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 29, 2025 11:27 AM (P5BPp)
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"Here are some other household rituals that only take a minute or two, but aren’t necessarily performed on a daily basis or immediately attended to in all households: flossing, putting dishes in the dishwasher rather than the sink, unloading the dishwasher, putting up all clothes at all times, not leaving personal items on counters or tables, taking out trash, watering houseplants, cleaning the litter box, etc."
I don't understand why you had to call me out so specifically like that.
I don't understand why you had to call me out so specifically like that.
Posted by: Andy_in_Colorado at September 29, 2025 11:27 AM (SZLGr)
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Everyone knew everything about our information long before the advent of the iPhone.
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No they didn't. There was no cross platform. Each company or business knew what you told them. Now they are capable of knowing everything you told anybody.
That's a big difference.
Everyone knew everything about our information long before the advent of the iPhone.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons
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No they didn't. There was no cross platform. Each company or business knew what you told them. Now they are capable of knowing everything you told anybody.
That's a big difference.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 29, 2025 11:28 AM (XH6Dk)
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They have numerous big name celeries doing TV commercials for the free, free to play, no ads Royal Kingdom app.
not certain whether autocucumber or editorial comment
Posted by: anachronda
Seemed more respectful than vegetables.
not certain whether autocucumber or editorial comment
Posted by: anachronda
Seemed more respectful than vegetables.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, [0] Day(s) Since Leftist Terror Attack! at September 29, 2025 11:28 AM (L/fGl)
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61 I am gonna need to buy an SUV in the near future
Current one is nearing the "getting more expensive to fix than it's worth" stage
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport
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Good luck.
Current one is nearing the "getting more expensive to fix than it's worth" stage
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport
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Good luck.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:28 AM (WDjG6)
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I can't wait for the EV flying car.
Posted by: Maj. Healey
Wasn't somebody floating the idea of electric planes at one point? Maybe Elon?
Posted by: Maj. Healey
Wasn't somebody floating the idea of electric planes at one point? Maybe Elon?
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 11:28 AM (77rzZ)
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But locomotives have used diesel electric drive since forever so the technique is well known.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:26 AM (WDjG6)
Diesel electric locomotive tech might be too tailored to find easy application to the intensive start-stop use case of a typical commuter car.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:26 AM (WDjG6)
Diesel electric locomotive tech might be too tailored to find easy application to the intensive start-stop use case of a typical commuter car.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 11:29 AM (i24o9)
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Fire insurance premiums make up the difference in gas money.
Posted by: sTevo at September 29, 2025 11:29 AM (CWGlO)
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 11:29 AM (77rzZ)
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Can you make a battery out of thousands of capacitors that discharge serially?
Posted by: toby928 at September 29, 2025 11:29 AM (jc0TO)
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I don't understand why you had to call me out so specifically like that.
Posted by: Andy_in_Colorado at September 29, 2025 11:27 AM (SZLGr)
You know what you did.
Posted by: Andy_in_Colorado at September 29, 2025 11:27 AM (SZLGr)
You know what you did.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 11:30 AM (i24o9)
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I'm getting to that point myself and I'm dreading it, bigly.
Posted by: one hour sober
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Good luck to you too. Buying a car--it's a jungle out there.
Posted by: one hour sober
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Good luck to you too. Buying a car--it's a jungle out there.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:30 AM (WDjG6)
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Can you make a battery out of thousands of capacitors that discharge serially?
Posted by: toby928 at September 29, 2025 11:29 AM (jc0TO)
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Yes, but size is a problem.
Posted by: toby928 at September 29, 2025 11:29 AM (jc0TO)
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Yes, but size is a problem.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:30 AM (B2vkr)
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The key to flossing regularly is to get those little plastic floss holders. They are like a toothpick on one end and have a short piece of floss fixed on the other end. I used to rarely floss, now I do it every meal. Keep a few by my computer as a reminder.
Posted by: illiniwek at September 29, 2025 11:30 AM (vbXSk)
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The whole point of EVs and hybrids was to save the erf. One still needs the same amount of energy to do the same (or more considering the weight of EVs) amount of work. From where doth all that energy come?
Physics is a stone-cold bitch.
Physics is a stone-cold bitch.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at September 29, 2025 11:30 AM (g8Ew8)
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94 61 I am gonna need to buy an SUV in the near future
Current one is nearing the "getting more expensive to fix than it's worth" stage
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Good luck.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:28 AM (WDjG6)
I'm looking sedan. I know the car will drive less than 5K/miles/year, so I don't need much (just something to handle a 2 mile commute each way)...
Current one is nearing the "getting more expensive to fix than it's worth" stage
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport
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Good luck.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:28 AM (WDjG6)
I'm looking sedan. I know the car will drive less than 5K/miles/year, so I don't need much (just something to handle a 2 mile commute each way)...
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2025 11:31 AM (tOcjL)
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>please form a line to tell me why I am wrong about this
Posted by: Don Black
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wow you guys took it literally
Posted by: Don Black
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wow you guys took it literally
Posted by: Don Black at September 29, 2025 11:31 AM (AOsQT)
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So I could put a "hybrid" sticker on my old gas powered rig and get better mileage without all the extra weight of a real hybrid and feel downright virtuous! A badge of honor.
Posted by: Rex 8 at September 29, 2025 11:31 AM (yYecZ)
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Can you make a battery out of thousands of capacitors that discharge serially?
Posted by: toby928
Capacitor technology is currently in flux.
Posted by: toby928
Capacitor technology is currently in flux.
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 11:31 AM (77rzZ)
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Solid state capacitors are being developed. Eaton uses them in power distribution trip circuits.
Posted by: sTevo at September 29, 2025 11:31 AM (CWGlO)
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@ 103 The key to flossing regularly is to get those little plastic floss holders. They are like a toothpick on one end and have a short piece of floss fixed on the other end. I used to rarely floss, now I do it every meal. Keep a few by my computer as a reminder.
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That sounds as if it almost crosses over into 'anal-retentive' behavior …
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That sounds as if it almost crosses over into 'anal-retentive' behavior …
Posted by: Dr_No at September 29, 2025 11:32 AM (ayRl+)
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107 So I could put a "hybrid" sticker on my old gas powered rig and get better mileage without all the extra weight of a real hybrid and feel downright virtuous! A badge of honor.
well, if it has an automatic transmission it is essentially a gas-hydraulic hybrid.
well, if it has an automatic transmission it is essentially a gas-hydraulic hybrid.
Posted by: anachronda at September 29, 2025 11:32 AM (sGtp+)
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I would "entertain" the notion of having an EV version of a utility vehicle for around the property. Something easily charged with an extension cord off existing house current.... not specifically 220. A glorified golf cart with the ability to navigate the yard as well as the gravel driveway. Have some sort of storage/carrying capacity for tools.
It'd probably only get driven a couple times a month.
It'd probably only get driven a couple times a month.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 29, 2025 11:32 AM (Q4IgG)
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103 The key to flossing regularly is to get those little plastic floss holders. They are like a toothpick on one end and have a short piece of floss fixed on the other end. I used to rarely floss, now I do it every meal. Keep a few by my computer as a reminder.
Posted by: illiniwek
Some are minty fresh too.
Posted by: illiniwek
Some are minty fresh too.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 29, 2025 11:32 AM (abIsI)
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Plug In Hybrid Electric Vehicles…another stupid idea that no one wanted.
Posted by: People Are Dumb at September 29, 2025 11:32 AM (w22JQ)
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I was thinking that capacitors could be lighter but, imagine if they all shorted at once, say in a crash. Your vehicle would go nova.
Posted by: toby928 at September 29, 2025 11:33 AM (jc0TO)
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102 Can you make a battery out of thousands of capacitors that discharge serially?
Posted by: toby928 at September 29, 2025 11:29 AM (jc0TO)
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Yes, but size is a problem.
i was told size didn't matter
Posted by: toby928 at September 29, 2025 11:29 AM (jc0TO)
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Yes, but size is a problem.
i was told size didn't matter
Posted by: anachronda at September 29, 2025 11:33 AM (sGtp+)
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But locomotives have used diesel electric drive since forever so the technique is well known.
Posted by: whig
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Locomotive diesel electric does not have a battery in the middle (there's a term for it). Don't know why they haven't employed that system on automobiles. One would think it ideal.
Posted by: whig
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Locomotive diesel electric does not have a battery in the middle (there's a term for it). Don't know why they haven't employed that system on automobiles. One would think it ideal.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 29, 2025 11:33 AM (XH6Dk)
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I saw a Tesla parked at the country club last night that had a bumper
Sticker that said “This car identifies as a Prious” and also an Elon sticker with a red line through his name.
The virtue signaling has gotten ridiculous and stupid.
If you can afford a Tesla, why not buy a Prious?
Libtards are so unaware of their pretentiousness.
Sticker that said “This car identifies as a Prious” and also an Elon sticker with a red line through his name.
The virtue signaling has gotten ridiculous and stupid.
If you can afford a Tesla, why not buy a Prious?
Libtards are so unaware of their pretentiousness.
Posted by: Czech Chick at September 29, 2025 11:33 AM (vK/Ja)
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>>>EV enthusiasts will argue that the daily ritual of plugging-in your vehicle when you get home, and then unplugging it when you leave again, takes only a minute or two, so there is no reason it can’t be done on a daily basis.
I plug in my truck daily during the winter to reduce wear and tear, reduce warm up time to a warm vehicle, and save a small amount of gas.
In the times I forget or are too lazy, it is a minor inconvenience. For a PHEV it is a range issue that can be quickly solved by a trip to the gas station.
All this is to say that people are lazy, and a product that relies for its use on people not being lazy is doomed to failure to meet its purpose.
I plug in my truck daily during the winter to reduce wear and tear, reduce warm up time to a warm vehicle, and save a small amount of gas.
In the times I forget or are too lazy, it is a minor inconvenience. For a PHEV it is a range issue that can be quickly solved by a trip to the gas station.
All this is to say that people are lazy, and a product that relies for its use on people not being lazy is doomed to failure to meet its purpose.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 11:34 AM (i24o9)
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99 Can you make a battery out of thousands of capacitors that discharge serially?
Posted by: toby928
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Energy density is a thing. If you have ever had an electrical board blow a capacitor, then imagine a big ass one blowing up while going down the road.
My guess is that sodium ion is probably going to be the initial replacement for lithium as it is far cheaper, less environmental problems, recharges faster, and can be recharged for many more cycles.
Posted by: toby928
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Energy density is a thing. If you have ever had an electrical board blow a capacitor, then imagine a big ass one blowing up while going down the road.
My guess is that sodium ion is probably going to be the initial replacement for lithium as it is far cheaper, less environmental problems, recharges faster, and can be recharged for many more cycles.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:34 AM (WDjG6)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)
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PHEV = PHARTCLAM
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)
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But locomotives have used diesel electric drive since forever so the technique is well known.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:26 AM (WDjG6)
Diesel-electric for locomotives is a specific application for very specific reasons. It does not transfer to autos.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:26 AM (WDjG6)
Diesel-electric for locomotives is a specific application for very specific reasons. It does not transfer to autos.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at September 29, 2025 11:35 AM (n9ltV)
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All this is to say that people are lazy, and a product that relies for its use on people not being lazy is doomed to failure to meet its purpose.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
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Yep. That is also a problem with universal voting in a republic.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
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Yep. That is also a problem with universal voting in a republic.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:35 AM (WDjG6)
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My guess is that sodium ion is probably going to be the initial replacement for lithium as it is far cheaper, less environmental problems, recharges faster, and can be recharged for many more cycles.
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Do you think we have enough sodium on erf?
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Do you think we have enough sodium on erf?
Posted by: pudinhead at September 29, 2025 11:35 AM (AdHga)
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103 The key to flossing regularly is to get those little plastic floss holders. They are like a toothpick on one end and have a short piece of floss fixed on the other end. I used to rarely floss, now I do it every meal. Keep a few by my computer as a reminder.
Posted by: illiniwek
During the China Flu Death March, the number of discarded Covid masks outnumbered the number of floss sticks left in parking lots for a short time. But now, the floss stick is king again as the most disgusting thing discarded by assholes in parking lots.
Posted by: illiniwek
During the China Flu Death March, the number of discarded Covid masks outnumbered the number of floss sticks left in parking lots for a short time. But now, the floss stick is king again as the most disgusting thing discarded by assholes in parking lots.
Posted by: Use The Garbage Can at September 29, 2025 11:35 AM (w22JQ)
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Nothing beats gas and diesel for energy density and ease of distribution.
Posted by: sTevo at September 29, 2025 11:35 AM (CWGlO)
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I think that a true Hybrid is a decent compromise, but as others have noted they are very heavy and dense, and like you said, potentially more deadly than either a normal car or an EV. But we've been running diesel electric trains for half a century now and worked out the kinks pretty well.
If steam cars didn't take so long to build up a head of steam to go anywhere they might be a valid option too, since we're so fixated on century-old failed technology for cars these days.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2025 11:17 AM (dfIr7)
Diesel-electric locomotives don't have any "traction" batteries, just regular old cranking batteries like a car or truck. The Diesel must be running for the thing to move. The beauty of the system is that the engineer can apply 100% torque to the drive wheels at zero road speed.
Steam cars (and steam locomotives) fell out of use because poor fuel economy. Thermodynamics dictates that the efficiency of a heat engine is related to delta-T in the working chamber, where T is temperature. Internal combustion gives you a much higher delta-T.
If steam cars didn't take so long to build up a head of steam to go anywhere they might be a valid option too, since we're so fixated on century-old failed technology for cars these days.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 29, 2025 11:17 AM (dfIr7)
Diesel-electric locomotives don't have any "traction" batteries, just regular old cranking batteries like a car or truck. The Diesel must be running for the thing to move. The beauty of the system is that the engineer can apply 100% torque to the drive wheels at zero road speed.
Steam cars (and steam locomotives) fell out of use because poor fuel economy. Thermodynamics dictates that the efficiency of a heat engine is related to delta-T in the working chamber, where T is temperature. Internal combustion gives you a much higher delta-T.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2025 11:37 AM (o46Y5)
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118 But locomotives have used diesel electric drive since forever so the technique is well known.
Posted by: whig
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Locomotive diesel electric does not have a battery in the middle (there's a term for it). Don't know why they haven't employed that system on automobiles. One would think it ideal.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others
Diesel electric locomotives use the electric motors for dynamic braking. The generated braking power from the motors/generators is dissipated through a huge resistor bank that is cooled by fans. Saves the brakes.
Posted by: whig
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Locomotive diesel electric does not have a battery in the middle (there's a term for it). Don't know why they haven't employed that system on automobiles. One would think it ideal.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others
Diesel electric locomotives use the electric motors for dynamic braking. The generated braking power from the motors/generators is dissipated through a huge resistor bank that is cooled by fans. Saves the brakes.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 29, 2025 11:37 AM (abIsI)
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The whole point of EVs and hybrids was to save the erf. One still needs the same amount of energy to do the same (or more considering the weight of EVs) amount of work. From where doth all that energy come? ...
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at September 29, 2025 11:30 AM (g8Ew
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No, the point of EVs is to "go green" via emissions reduction at the tailpipe.
In terms of total energy consumption per passenger mile over the life of the vehicle from raw materials through final scrapping, they're worse than ICE vehicles. Plenty of pollution, too. But it doesn't matter, because it's invisible.
The pollution from lithium and cobalt mining, the pollution for the electricity generation, etc. is "over there" somewhere. It's NIMBYism. No emissions where *I* am, therefore "green." Forget the systemic emissions or, far more importantly, the total lifetime energy consumption.
The greenest car you can own is the oldest one you can keep running. The longer you have it on the road, the better the energy equation gets because the huge energy usage in manufacture amortizes out further and further so long as its running - and ICE vehicles have much better longevity.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at September 29, 2025 11:30 AM (g8Ew
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No, the point of EVs is to "go green" via emissions reduction at the tailpipe.
In terms of total energy consumption per passenger mile over the life of the vehicle from raw materials through final scrapping, they're worse than ICE vehicles. Plenty of pollution, too. But it doesn't matter, because it's invisible.
The pollution from lithium and cobalt mining, the pollution for the electricity generation, etc. is "over there" somewhere. It's NIMBYism. No emissions where *I* am, therefore "green." Forget the systemic emissions or, far more importantly, the total lifetime energy consumption.
The greenest car you can own is the oldest one you can keep running. The longer you have it on the road, the better the energy equation gets because the huge energy usage in manufacture amortizes out further and further so long as its running - and ICE vehicles have much better longevity.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:37 AM (B2vkr)
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The best way to do cars is own a couple of old ones. If one doesn't start the other will.
Posted by: pudinhead at September 29, 2025 11:37 AM (AdHga)
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The amusing part of all this - the best way we have to store energy is...a tank of gasoline.
The reason we mostly drive ICE cars is because that's been the case for 100 years now.
It is possible that EVs will reach parity eventually, but overall they don't make any sense.
But...there is a reason for that, the intent with EVs isn't to replace everyone's ICE car. The intent is to remove as many cars from the road as possible and force plebes into public transit
The reason we mostly drive ICE cars is because that's been the case for 100 years now.
It is possible that EVs will reach parity eventually, but overall they don't make any sense.
But...there is a reason for that, the intent with EVs isn't to replace everyone's ICE car. The intent is to remove as many cars from the road as possible and force plebes into public transit
Posted by: 18-1 at September 29, 2025 11:37 AM (sKqQm)
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So is "PHEV" pronounced "fev?"
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 11:04 AM (77rzZ)
No I'm never gonna do it without the fev on!
- Donald Fagen and Zombie Walter Becker
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 11:04 AM (77rzZ)
No I'm never gonna do it without the fev on!
- Donald Fagen and Zombie Walter Becker
Posted by: Doof at September 29, 2025 11:37 AM (wkXwO)
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A VW hybrid micro bus with a 20 gal diesel at 50 mile/gal would have 1000mi range. That would be cool.
Posted by: sTevo at September 29, 2025 11:38 AM (CWGlO)
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My town is overrun with street legal golf carts. The speed limit in the city center was lowered to 25mph to accommodate them. My vehicles are barely off idle at 25.
Posted by: toby928 at September 29, 2025 11:38 AM (jc0TO)
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relative of mine had a Tesla and was constantly running late because she “forgot” to charge her car. "
You met Terri! She would forget her E-Tron at least once a month, and hubby had to run back (she refused Uber)... eventually back to petrol power..
You met Terri! She would forget her E-Tron at least once a month, and hubby had to run back (she refused Uber)... eventually back to petrol power..
Posted by: man at September 29, 2025 11:38 AM (tubbA)
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So these things are just fashion statements for the rich.
As soon as they lose their cachet (a couple of years, max) they'll be gone.
As soon as they lose their cachet (a couple of years, max) they'll be gone.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 11:38 AM (uWKK8)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 29, 2025 11:38 AM (XH6Dk)
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i was told size didn't matter
Posted by: anachronda at September 29, 2025 11:33 AM (sGtp+)
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Spoiler alert: they were lying.
Posted by: anachronda at September 29, 2025 11:33 AM (sGtp+)
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Spoiler alert: they were lying.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:38 AM (B2vkr)
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The intent is to remove as many cars from the road as possible and force plebes into public transit.
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No one wants to ride public transit. They will kill you.
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No one wants to ride public transit. They will kill you.
Posted by: pudinhead at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM (AdHga)
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And I really would like to see Trump push for a bunch of new coal fired plants.
Not only is this good from a nat sec perspective since we have more coal then we can ever use, and good for the economy because we'd be using our own goal, but it would drive a stake in the EV push.
Burning coal at the plant is no better then burning gas in your ICE from the perspective of green energy...
Not only is this good from a nat sec perspective since we have more coal then we can ever use, and good for the economy because we'd be using our own goal, but it would drive a stake in the EV push.
Burning coal at the plant is no better then burning gas in your ICE from the perspective of green energy...
Posted by: 18-1 at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM (sKqQm)
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It'd probably be easier owning a car that ran on French Fry oil.
you mean a diesel?
Posted by: anachronda
It wasn't all that long ago that Europe had all these diesel cars and we were told that was the way to go.
It'd probably be easier owning a car that ran on French Fry oil.
you mean a diesel?
Posted by: anachronda
It wasn't all that long ago that Europe had all these diesel cars and we were told that was the way to go.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM (63Dwl)
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Diesel-electric for locomotives is a specific application for very specific reasons. It does not transfer to autos.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Same principle can and has been applied to autos--electric motors drive the wheel while supplied by electricity from a generator. The only difference is whether the generator is external to the car (batteries) or internal--has to run gas or oil.
The advantage is that the generator runs at a constant efficient rate and if a battery is the intervening power supply to the wheel motors, then the battery picks up brief demands for acceleration, hills, etc. and during the slack time the battery recharges.
Main problem with that right now is limited recharge cycles on batteries but that is more an engineering and cost problem than an impossibility.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Same principle can and has been applied to autos--electric motors drive the wheel while supplied by electricity from a generator. The only difference is whether the generator is external to the car (batteries) or internal--has to run gas or oil.
The advantage is that the generator runs at a constant efficient rate and if a battery is the intervening power supply to the wheel motors, then the battery picks up brief demands for acceleration, hills, etc. and during the slack time the battery recharges.
Main problem with that right now is limited recharge cycles on batteries but that is more an engineering and cost problem than an impossibility.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM (WDjG6)
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137 My town is overrun with street legal golf carts. The speed limit in the city center was lowered to 25mph to accommodate them. My vehicles are barely off idle at 25.
Posted by: toby928 at September 29, 2025 11:38 AM (jc0TO)
Where do you live, the Villages? Sun City?
Posted by: toby928 at September 29, 2025 11:38 AM (jc0TO)
Where do you live, the Villages? Sun City?
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM (uWKK8)
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Thx Buck
@55 a parking garage collapsed in NYC a couple of years ago killing at least one person. The weight of EVs was blamed
Posted by: Smell the Glove
You know the one thing that collapses never happened with?
Horses.
Posted by: Big Ed's Horse Emporium
@55 a parking garage collapsed in NYC a couple of years ago killing at least one person. The weight of EVs was blamed
Posted by: Smell the Glove
You know the one thing that collapses never happened with?
Horses.
Posted by: Big Ed's Horse Emporium
Posted by: rickb223 at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM (Q9Vcs)
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But locomotives have used diesel electric drive since forever so the technique is well known.
Posted by: whig
So we're supposed to all do the locomotion?
Posted by: whig
So we're supposed to all do the locomotion?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, [0] Day(s) Since Leftist Terror Attack! at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM (L/fGl)
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>>Good luck to you too. Buying a car--it's a jungle out there.
My 2018 VW Atlas with 3rd row seating has served me well. I have three very large dogs who travel with me from time-to-time. Folding down the 2nd and 3rd rows gives them a ton of room in back to spread out.
I'll most likely just go to the local VW dealership and negotiate for the 2026 version of the vehicle.
I will be paying cash, which no one at the dealership will know, of course, until after receiving their best, final offer.
My 2018 VW Atlas with 3rd row seating has served me well. I have three very large dogs who travel with me from time-to-time. Folding down the 2nd and 3rd rows gives them a ton of room in back to spread out.
I'll most likely just go to the local VW dealership and negotiate for the 2026 version of the vehicle.
I will be paying cash, which no one at the dealership will know, of course, until after receiving their best, final offer.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM (Y1sOo)
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But...there is a reason for that, the intent with EVs isn't to replace everyone's ICE car. The intent is to remove as many cars from the road as possible and force plebes into public transit
Posted by: 18-1 at September 29, 2025 11:37 AM (sKqQm)
You WILL live in a 15 minute city whether you like it or not.
But...there is a reason for that, the intent with EVs isn't to replace everyone's ICE car. The intent is to remove as many cars from the road as possible and force plebes into public transit
Posted by: 18-1 at September 29, 2025 11:37 AM (sKqQm)
You WILL live in a 15 minute city whether you like it or not.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM (Zz0t1)
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"the app delivered just-in-time reminders such as push notifications that were said to be 50 percent more effective than generic prompts. It also applied positive reinforcement in the form of messages that rewarded streaks, delivered encouragement, and summarized their charging habits."
I fucking hate these "nudge" motherfuckers. Eat a bag of rancid dicks, assholes!
I fucking hate these "nudge" motherfuckers. Eat a bag of rancid dicks, assholes!
Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at September 29, 2025 11:40 AM (A5b0G)
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133 My neighbor just bought a newer car. His Honda Civic was getting pretty well used up. But it still runs. He's keeping it, just in case the Jetta goes into the shop. He said the insurance only went up a couple bucks with just one driver.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 29, 2025 11:40 AM (gm9Sb)
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The greenest car you can own is the oldest one you can keep running. The longer you have it on the road, the better the energy equation gets because the huge energy usage in manufacture amortizes out further and further so long as its running - and ICE vehicles have much better longevity.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:37 AM (B2vkr)
This is true...and true for practically anything you own in life.
Use it til it's unusable (or an absolute safety hazard) is (almost) always the best environmental answers.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:37 AM (B2vkr)
This is true...and true for practically anything you own in life.
Use it til it's unusable (or an absolute safety hazard) is (almost) always the best environmental answers.
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2025 11:41 AM (tOcjL)
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I will be paying cash, which no one at the dealership will know, of course, until after receiving their best, final offer.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM (Y1sOo)
Which will be interesting since they no longer haggle over the price of the vehicle, but the monthly payment you'll make for 60 to 82 months.
I will be paying cash, which no one at the dealership will know, of course, until after receiving their best, final offer.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM (Y1sOo)
Which will be interesting since they no longer haggle over the price of the vehicle, but the monthly payment you'll make for 60 to 82 months.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:41 AM (Zz0t1)
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Can you make a battery out of thousands of capacitors that discharge serially?
That's what they're using for shipboard laser weapons. It's for the military, but eventually I want one in my car so I can destroy slow drivers in the fast lane.
That's what they're using for shipboard laser weapons. It's for the military, but eventually I want one in my car so I can destroy slow drivers in the fast lane.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 11:41 AM (Riz8t)
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Where do you live, the Villages? Sun City?
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM
More like The Village.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM
More like The Village.
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 11:41 AM (jc0TO)
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Fire insurance premiums make up the difference in gas money.
Posted by: sTevo at September 29, 2025 11:29 AM
Yep. Home insurance and car insurance premiums go up for home chargers and EVs.
The average annual full-coverage insurance premium for an electric vehicle (EV) was $3,430 in 2024, while it was $2,778 for a traditional internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle.
Other 2024–2025 analyses confirm EVs generally cost 20-44% more to insure than gas vehicles due to higher purchase prices (averaging $55,000–$61,000 vs. $48,000–$49,000), pricier repairs (e.g., $6,066 per accident vs. $4,703 for ICEs), and specialized parts like batteries. However, some sources note the gap is narrowing as EV adoption grows and repair infrastructure improves, with averages as low as ~$1,600 for both in certain datasets.
Posted by: sTevo at September 29, 2025 11:29 AM
Yep. Home insurance and car insurance premiums go up for home chargers and EVs.
The average annual full-coverage insurance premium for an electric vehicle (EV) was $3,430 in 2024, while it was $2,778 for a traditional internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle.
Other 2024–2025 analyses confirm EVs generally cost 20-44% more to insure than gas vehicles due to higher purchase prices (averaging $55,000–$61,000 vs. $48,000–$49,000), pricier repairs (e.g., $6,066 per accident vs. $4,703 for ICEs), and specialized parts like batteries. However, some sources note the gap is narrowing as EV adoption grows and repair infrastructure improves, with averages as low as ~$1,600 for both in certain datasets.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 29, 2025 11:41 AM (P5BPp)
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146 137 My town is overrun with street legal golf carts. The speed limit in the city center was lowered to 25mph to accommodate them. My vehicles are barely off idle at 25.
Posted by: toby928 at September 29, 2025 11:38 AM (jc0TO)
Where do you live, the Villages? Sun City?
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM (uWKK
This was an issue when I visited North Myrtle Beach...I swore those folks were gonna get themselves killed as they drive golf carts on the single main drag through town...
Posted by: toby928 at September 29, 2025 11:38 AM (jc0TO)
Where do you live, the Villages? Sun City?
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM (uWKK
This was an issue when I visited North Myrtle Beach...I swore those folks were gonna get themselves killed as they drive golf carts on the single main drag through town...
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2025 11:42 AM (tOcjL)
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My town is overrun with street legal golf carts. The speed limit in the city center was lowered to 25mph to accommodate them. My vehicles are barely off idle at 25.
Posted by: toby928
OT:
2021 Ford F150's cruise control works at 19 mph.
I can set it at 19 just before entering a 20 moh school zone and it actually works.
Alm the other vehicles I've ever had with cruise control wouldn't work below 30 mph.
Posted by: toby928
OT:
2021 Ford F150's cruise control works at 19 mph.
I can set it at 19 just before entering a 20 moh school zone and it actually works.
Alm the other vehicles I've ever had with cruise control wouldn't work below 30 mph.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 29, 2025 11:42 AM (Q9Vcs)
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>>>It is possible that EVs will reach parity eventually, but overall they don't make any sense.
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As the population ages those self driving vehicles are going to make more and more sense to the younger generations.
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As the population ages those self driving vehicles are going to make more and more sense to the younger generations.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 29, 2025 11:42 AM (XH6Dk)
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The greenest car you can own is the oldest one you can keep running. The longer you have it on the road, the better the energy equation gets because the huge energy usage in manufacture amortizes out further and further so long as its running - and ICE vehicles have much better longevity.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:37 AM (B2vkr)
Yep. I had a 63 Volkswagen Notchback, and that got 25 MPG, and cost about $8 for an oil change at the time time, oil bath air cleaner that used the old oil.
Not going to out-"green" that thing with anything other than an old motorcycle like a Honda 90 or even something larger but with two wheels.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:37 AM (B2vkr)
Yep. I had a 63 Volkswagen Notchback, and that got 25 MPG, and cost about $8 for an oil change at the time time, oil bath air cleaner that used the old oil.
Not going to out-"green" that thing with anything other than an old motorcycle like a Honda 90 or even something larger but with two wheels.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 11:42 AM (i24o9)
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155 Can you make a battery out of thousands of capacitors that discharge serially?
That's what they're using for shipboard laser weapons. It's for the military, but eventually I want one in my car so I can destroy slow drivers in the fast lane.
Posted by: Archimedes
Commuter traffic death ray would be a great option.
Please add the Irritated Commuter package to my order.
That's what they're using for shipboard laser weapons. It's for the military, but eventually I want one in my car so I can destroy slow drivers in the fast lane.
Posted by: Archimedes
Commuter traffic death ray would be a great option.
Please add the Irritated Commuter package to my order.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 29, 2025 11:42 AM (abIsI)
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It wasn't all that long ago that Europe had all these diesel cars and we were told that was the way to go.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
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Euroland has to import about all its oil and diesels were and are more fuel efficient than gas burners at the cost of emitting soot and other byproducts from extremely hot and compressed nature of the diesel combustion. IIRC, NoX emissions are higher and if the fuel had sulfur, that produced more noxious exhaust gasses.
Even in the US, the original CAFE stds. were not about the environment so much but limiting oil imports due to balance of trade issues.
Over time, it morphed into alleged limits on greenhouse gas crap from CO2 emissions. Thus became a tool to kill any carbon based fuel that made economic sense.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
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Euroland has to import about all its oil and diesels were and are more fuel efficient than gas burners at the cost of emitting soot and other byproducts from extremely hot and compressed nature of the diesel combustion. IIRC, NoX emissions are higher and if the fuel had sulfur, that produced more noxious exhaust gasses.
Even in the US, the original CAFE stds. were not about the environment so much but limiting oil imports due to balance of trade issues.
Over time, it morphed into alleged limits on greenhouse gas crap from CO2 emissions. Thus became a tool to kill any carbon based fuel that made economic sense.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:43 AM (WDjG6)
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Main problem with that right now is limited recharge cycles on batteries but that is more an engineering and cost problem than an impossibility.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM (WDjG6)
A whole lot of the EV hype has been dependent on battery tech being far more advanced than it actually is. Combined with the belief that "if we just spend enough money on battery tech, of course it will get better."
But it hasn't.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM (WDjG6)
A whole lot of the EV hype has been dependent on battery tech being far more advanced than it actually is. Combined with the belief that "if we just spend enough money on battery tech, of course it will get better."
But it hasn't.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 11:43 AM (uWKK8)
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OT:
2021 Ford F150's cruise control works at 19 mph.
I can set it at 19 just before entering a 20 moh school zone and it actually works.
Alm the other vehicles I've ever had with cruise control wouldn't work below 30 mph.
Posted by: rickb223
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Confirmed. It is a very nice feature.
2021 Ford F150's cruise control works at 19 mph.
I can set it at 19 just before entering a 20 moh school zone and it actually works.
Alm the other vehicles I've ever had with cruise control wouldn't work below 30 mph.
Posted by: rickb223
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Confirmed. It is a very nice feature.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 29, 2025 11:44 AM (XH6Dk)
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Commuter traffic death ray would be a great option.
Please add the Irritated Commuter package to my order.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 29, 2025 11:42 AM (abIsI)
Needed this yesterday on the drive back from Oklahoma. My LORD do people suck on the highways......
Commuter traffic death ray would be a great option.
Please add the Irritated Commuter package to my order.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 29, 2025 11:42 AM (abIsI)
Needed this yesterday on the drive back from Oklahoma. My LORD do people suck on the highways......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:44 AM (Zz0t1)
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I just want to put in a plug here for Caliber Collision.
My son was in an accident a couple of weeks ago. The two driver's side doors were bashed in. He was lucky it was at such a low speed, or he might have been badly hurt.
USAA sent him to Caliber Collision.
He got the car back last Friday. It looks as good as new. You'd never know it was in an accident.
They do great work there.
My son was in an accident a couple of weeks ago. The two driver's side doors were bashed in. He was lucky it was at such a low speed, or he might have been badly hurt.
USAA sent him to Caliber Collision.
He got the car back last Friday. It looks as good as new. You'd never know it was in an accident.
They do great work there.
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 11:44 AM (77rzZ)
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I will be paying cash, which no one at the dealership will know, of course, until after receiving their best, final offer.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM (Y1sOo)
Which will be interesting since they no longer haggle over the price of the vehicle, but the monthly payment you'll make for 60 to 82 months.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
I felt bad for the guy at Bill Utter Ford. He did all that work of finding a lender, setting up all the paperwork, explaining everything, signing all the papers, only to have me pay the truck off two weeks later.
Posted by: one hour sober at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM (Y1sOo)
Which will be interesting since they no longer haggle over the price of the vehicle, but the monthly payment you'll make for 60 to 82 months.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
I felt bad for the guy at Bill Utter Ford. He did all that work of finding a lender, setting up all the paperwork, explaining everything, signing all the papers, only to have me pay the truck off two weeks later.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 29, 2025 11:45 AM (Q9Vcs)
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A whole lot of the EV hype has been dependent on battery tech being far more advanced than it actually is. Combined with the belief that "if we just spend enough money on battery tech, of course it will get better."
But it hasn't.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 11:43 AM (
We're likely a good 20 years away from a battery source that would be sufficient for an ICE replacement.
A whole lot of the EV hype has been dependent on battery tech being far more advanced than it actually is. Combined with the belief that "if we just spend enough money on battery tech, of course it will get better."
But it hasn't.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 11:43 AM (
We're likely a good 20 years away from a battery source that would be sufficient for an ICE replacement.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:45 AM (Zz0t1)
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Additionally, the four square blocks that constitute the commercial center of town has had the speed limit lowered to 15mph. It's not worth driving through there anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if the area is closed to cars entirely within the next 10 years.
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 11:45 AM (jc0TO)
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161 The greenest car you can own is the oldest one you can keep running. The longer you have it on the road, the better the energy equation gets because the huge energy usage in manufacture amortizes out further and further so long as its running - and ICE vehicles have much better longevity.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
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True. But it is devilishly hard to make that case to manufacturers and the general public due to the requirement of systems analysis. MFGs need turnover on cars or they resort to what John Deere has been doing where they prevent people from fixing their own John Deere equipment via software.
General public is ill taught and most attentive to the environment simply "love friggin Science!" when it agrees with communism and impoverishment thereof in the name of Gaia.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
======
True. But it is devilishly hard to make that case to manufacturers and the general public due to the requirement of systems analysis. MFGs need turnover on cars or they resort to what John Deere has been doing where they prevent people from fixing their own John Deere equipment via software.
General public is ill taught and most attentive to the environment simply "love friggin Science!" when it agrees with communism and impoverishment thereof in the name of Gaia.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:46 AM (WDjG6)
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My town is overrun with street legal golf carts. The speed limit in the city center was lowered to 25mph to accommodate them. My vehicles are barely off idle at 25.
Posted by: toby928 at September 29, 2025 11:38 AM (jc0
My golf cart is limited to the gated community I live in . It is so much better than having to get in your car to go to the pool , gym , restaurant, neighbors, etc. . Lot of electric bikes too.
Posted by: toby928 at September 29, 2025 11:38 AM (jc0
My golf cart is limited to the gated community I live in . It is so much better than having to get in your car to go to the pool , gym , restaurant, neighbors, etc. . Lot of electric bikes too.
Posted by: the way I see it at September 29, 2025 11:46 AM (EYmYM)
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@113 I would "entertain" the notion of having an EV version of a utility vehicle for around the property.
We wanted a Gator for years. Even at estate sales they were muy espensivo, so I looked into the all-electric version. With a hefty subsidy they were still over $10000, and you had to install a separate circuit for charging. Eventually we found a mint six-wheel gas model for three grand. It has the redoubtable Kawasaki 850 engine, and has served three years with no maintenance needs whatever.
We wanted a Gator for years. Even at estate sales they were muy espensivo, so I looked into the all-electric version. With a hefty subsidy they were still over $10000, and you had to install a separate circuit for charging. Eventually we found a mint six-wheel gas model for three grand. It has the redoubtable Kawasaki 850 engine, and has served three years with no maintenance needs whatever.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at September 29, 2025 11:46 AM (zdLoL)
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We're likely a good 20 years away from a battery source that would be sufficient for an ICE replacement.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:45 AM
Fusion is only 15 years away.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:45 AM
Fusion is only 15 years away.
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 11:46 AM (jc0TO)
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156 Where do you live, the Villages? Sun City?
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM
More like The Village.
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 11:41 AM (jc0TO)
*blorp blorp blorp*
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 11:39 AM
More like The Village.
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 11:41 AM (jc0TO)
*blorp blorp blorp*
Posted by: Rover on Orange Alert at September 29, 2025 11:46 AM (TbWk/)
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Lithium chemistry batteries do not do well in cold weather. They can't be charged unless heated. It's a ridiculous fail loop.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 29, 2025 11:46 AM (abIsI)
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Cool, this young guy just won a car on 'The Price is Right.' Good for him.
Canadian Flag on the Ground Watch - Day 6.
There's a Canadian flag laying on the lawn across the street right on the property line and 1.5 feet from the street so people should be seeing it. Everyone is leaving it there.
It's been at least 6 days. I'm curious how long it stays.
I'm unjabbed. I'd use it to clean dog crap off my shoes considering I was bamned from restaurants, schools, travel, etc. That damn thing can burn.
Canadian Flag on the Ground Watch - Day 6.
There's a Canadian flag laying on the lawn across the street right on the property line and 1.5 feet from the street so people should be seeing it. Everyone is leaving it there.
It's been at least 6 days. I'm curious how long it stays.
I'm unjabbed. I'd use it to clean dog crap off my shoes considering I was bamned from restaurants, schools, travel, etc. That damn thing can burn.
Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at September 29, 2025 11:46 AM (Sco7b)
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There were a lot of imports in the 70s that got unheard of gas mileage. The Honda Civic CVCC Five Speed was rated at 54 mpg highway and sometimes did better. VW Diesels like Rabbits were right up there. Most, in particular Japanese models, were victims of rust at an early age.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 29, 2025 11:47 AM (gm9Sb)
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I would have been first but I had to stop and charge my car.
Posted by: Leo Dicaprio at September 29, 2025 11:47 AM (Vu7A1)
178
Lithium chemistry batteries do not do well in cold weather. They can't be charged unless heated. It's a ridiculous fail loop.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 29, 2025 11:46 AM (abIsI)
They also light on fire when exposed to water, so really good when attempting to escape a hurricane.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 29, 2025 11:46 AM (abIsI)
They also light on fire when exposed to water, so really good when attempting to escape a hurricane.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:47 AM (Zz0t1)
179
HPEV are the only plug-in hybrids that make sense. But these are mostly expensive exotics where money isn't an object but insane performance is. Think $500k+ cars.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 11:47 AM (iFTx/)
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It wasn't all that long ago that Europe had all these diesel cars and we were told that was the way to go.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr
Stupid joke in bad taste.
https://is.gd/3lQ54y (skip ahead to 1:05)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr
Stupid joke in bad taste.
https://is.gd/3lQ54y (skip ahead to 1:05)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, [0] Day(s) Since Leftist Terror Attack! at September 29, 2025 11:48 AM (L/fGl)
181
Diesel electric locomotive tech might be too tailored to find easy application to the intensive start-stop use case of a typical commuter car.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 11:29 AM (i24o9)
There is a company in Canada that is building Diesel-electric trucks, their goal is to use mostly off the shelf parts and a rig that can be worked on in pretty much any shop.
The next goal for Toyota is a gasoline-electric passenger car where the gas generator powers the electric motors.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 11:29 AM (i24o9)
There is a company in Canada that is building Diesel-electric trucks, their goal is to use mostly off the shelf parts and a rig that can be worked on in pretty much any shop.
The next goal for Toyota is a gasoline-electric passenger car where the gas generator powers the electric motors.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 29, 2025 11:48 AM (rbvCR)
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The greenest car you can own is the oldest one you can keep running. The longer you have it on the road, the better the energy equation gets because the huge energy usage in manufacture amortizes out further and further so long as its running - and ICE vehicles have much better longevity.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:37 AM (B2vkr)
This is true...and true for practically anything you own in life.
Use it til it's unusable (or an absolute safety hazard) is (almost) always the best environmental answers.
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2025 11:41 AM (tOcjL)
If your wife is getting old, keep her. She becomes more efficient with age.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:37 AM (B2vkr)
This is true...and true for practically anything you own in life.
Use it til it's unusable (or an absolute safety hazard) is (almost) always the best environmental answers.
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2025 11:41 AM (tOcjL)
If your wife is getting old, keep her. She becomes more efficient with age.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at September 29, 2025 11:48 AM (g8Ew8)
Posted by: Hillbilly Highway at September 29, 2025 11:48 AM (w22JQ)
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I saw a Tesla parked at the country club last night that had a bumper
Sticker that said “This car identifies as a Prious” and also an Elon sticker with a red line through his name.
The virtue signaling has gotten ridiculous and stupid.
If you can afford a Tesla, why not buy a Prious?
Libtards are so unaware of their pretentiousness.
Posted by: Czech Chick at September 29, 2025 11:33 AM (vK/Ja)
I see a market for rolls of small "I Am A Stunned Cunt" stickers that based people could apply to moonbats' cars in such a situation. Would make a great Christmas gift!
Sticker that said “This car identifies as a Prious” and also an Elon sticker with a red line through his name.
The virtue signaling has gotten ridiculous and stupid.
If you can afford a Tesla, why not buy a Prious?
Libtards are so unaware of their pretentiousness.
Posted by: Czech Chick at September 29, 2025 11:33 AM (vK/Ja)
I see a market for rolls of small "I Am A Stunned Cunt" stickers that based people could apply to moonbats' cars in such a situation. Would make a great Christmas gift!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2025 11:49 AM (o46Y5)
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Battery tech improves monthly.
22% of ALL new car sales in USA are hybrid
Range is now exceeding most ICE ranges.
Some EVs have 600 mile ranges.nsttety life is now over 250000 miles equivalent to 10 years. And "battery failure" does not mean dead it means range has dropped to 80%
22% of ALL new car sales in USA are hybrid
Range is now exceeding most ICE ranges.
Some EVs have 600 mile ranges.nsttety life is now over 250000 miles equivalent to 10 years. And "battery failure" does not mean dead it means range has dropped to 80%
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at September 29, 2025 11:49 AM (CUIEY)
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I’m not interested in having an EV at all. I never bothered to figure out the difference between a plug-in hybrid and regular hybrid. I sensed for some reason that PHEV == bad. I think my senses were correct. Thanks for the tutorial, Buck!
Posted by: QED Texan at September 29, 2025 11:49 AM (fveCG)
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Yuge news. Eric Adams drops out of NYC mayor race. The Blade told ya!
https://tinyurl.com/msc9u3kc
https://tinyurl.com/msc9u3kc
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 11:49 AM (iFTx/)
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A whole lot of the EV hype has been dependent on battery tech being far more advanced than it actually is. Combined with the belief that "if we just spend enough money on battery tech, of course it will get better."
But it hasn't.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 11:43 AM (
We're likely a good 20 years away from a battery source that would be sufficient for an ICE replacement.
There are three main problems: range, charging time, and not bursting into flame. They're making incremental progress on the latter. The latter, in which dendrites pierce the membrane separating anode and cathode and cause a short, is receiving lots of attention, and is, I believe, closer to being solved. Charging time is at least partly related to minimizing dendrites. Range is probably going to be the most intractable. We as a people are impatient. The "throw money at it and it will go away" syndrome is absolutely real.
But it hasn't.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 11:43 AM (
We're likely a good 20 years away from a battery source that would be sufficient for an ICE replacement.
There are three main problems: range, charging time, and not bursting into flame. They're making incremental progress on the latter. The latter, in which dendrites pierce the membrane separating anode and cathode and cause a short, is receiving lots of attention, and is, I believe, closer to being solved. Charging time is at least partly related to minimizing dendrites. Range is probably going to be the most intractable. We as a people are impatient. The "throw money at it and it will go away" syndrome is absolutely real.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 11:49 AM (Riz8t)
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183 Saw that show. And he was making his own charcoal to fuel it.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 29, 2025 11:50 AM (gm9Sb)
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The next goal for Toyota is a gasoline-electric passenger car where the gas generator powers the electric motors.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 29, 2025 11:48 AM
Does the efficiency of the engine overcome the losses of the energy conversion?
Posted by: Kindltot at September 29, 2025 11:48 AM
Does the efficiency of the engine overcome the losses of the energy conversion?
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 11:50 AM (jc0TO)
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Yuge news. Eric Adams drops out of NYC mayor race. The Blade told ya!
https://tinyurl.com/msc9u3kc
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 11:49 AM
It's old.
https://tinyurl.com/msc9u3kc
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 11:49 AM
It's old.
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 11:50 AM (jc0TO)
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We're likely a good 20 years away from a battery source that would be sufficient for an ICE replacement.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
When do we get FUSION!
We're likely a good 20 years away from a battery source that would be sufficient for an ICE replacement.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
When do we get FUSION!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 29, 2025 11:50 AM (63Dwl)
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Yuge news. Eric Adams drops out of NYC mayor race. The Blade told ya!
https://tinyurl.com/msc9u3kc
Posted by: Elric The Blade
Is that good news or bad news for Mamdani?
https://tinyurl.com/msc9u3kc
Posted by: Elric The Blade
Is that good news or bad news for Mamdani?
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 11:51 AM (77rzZ)
194
A whole lot of the EV hype has been dependent on battery tech being far more advanced than it actually is. Combined with the belief that "if we just spend enough money on battery tech, of course it will get better."
But it hasn't.
Posted by: Tom Servo
Has actually led to advances in battery tech. NiMH has been replaced by lithium ion, lithium is likely to be replaced by cheaper sodium ion, and lurking in the background and likely to cause environmentalists to stroke out is nuclear-electric like NASA used for deep state probes.
The key though is cheap energy begets better living which is why we should go into a crash program for nuclear reactors that uses a common template and redundant passive features. And restart using old fuel to breed new fuel as we have about a 50 year backlog of spent fuel rods that can be turned into new reactor fuel and reducing the bulk and cost of waste handling.
France was far smarter about nukes than any of the rest of Western nations and ditto about reprocessing nuclear fuel.
But it hasn't.
Posted by: Tom Servo
Has actually led to advances in battery tech. NiMH has been replaced by lithium ion, lithium is likely to be replaced by cheaper sodium ion, and lurking in the background and likely to cause environmentalists to stroke out is nuclear-electric like NASA used for deep state probes.
The key though is cheap energy begets better living which is why we should go into a crash program for nuclear reactors that uses a common template and redundant passive features. And restart using old fuel to breed new fuel as we have about a 50 year backlog of spent fuel rods that can be turned into new reactor fuel and reducing the bulk and cost of waste handling.
France was far smarter about nukes than any of the rest of Western nations and ditto about reprocessing nuclear fuel.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:51 AM (WDjG6)
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69 Toyota is going to king of the hill as a result. They alone didn't go all-in on EVs.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
======
Definitely did not hurt Toyota except some bad PR by the press for not YOLO to EVs along with the stupid companies.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:21 AM (WDjG6)
This may have been mentioned in a previous post but Volkswagen/Porsche just took a $6 Billion writeoff because of the failure of their EV production lines, and they are now trying to figure out how to move back towards IC engines.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
======
Definitely did not hurt Toyota except some bad PR by the press for not YOLO to EVs along with the stupid companies.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:21 AM (WDjG6)
This may have been mentioned in a previous post but Volkswagen/Porsche just took a $6 Billion writeoff because of the failure of their EV production lines, and they are now trying to figure out how to move back towards IC engines.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 11:51 AM (uWKK8)
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The best way to do cars is own a couple of old ones. If one doesn't start the other will.
Posted by: pudinhead at September 29, 2025 11:37 AM (AdHga)
This! But not if you live in an HOA community, LOL.
Posted by: pudinhead at September 29, 2025 11:37 AM (AdHga)
This! But not if you live in an HOA community, LOL.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2025 11:51 AM (o46Y5)
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Cletus Conway turned his Toyota 4Runner into a wood burner on the tv show Mountain Men.
Posted by: Hillbilly Highway at September 29, 2025 11:48 AM (w22JQ)
Then he wrecked it by forgetting to apply the e-brake and it took off down a hill into a tree.
Posted by: Hillbilly Highway at September 29, 2025 11:48 AM (w22JQ)
Then he wrecked it by forgetting to apply the e-brake and it took off down a hill into a tree.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:51 AM (Zz0t1)
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They also light on fire when exposed to water, so really good when attempting to escape a hurricane.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
Might be what it takes to put them out.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
Might be what it takes to put them out.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 29, 2025 11:51 AM (Q9Vcs)
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Which will be interesting since they no longer haggle over the price of the vehicle, but the monthly payment you'll make for 60 to 82 months.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:41 AM (Zz0t1)
++++
The last time I bought a car, the conversation went like this.
Dealer: "What kind of monthly payment are we looking for?"
Me: "I am not buying a payment, I am buying a car. We will negotiate on price, not payment."
Dealer: "Okay."
:: some time passes ::
Dealer: "So this will come out to a monthly payment of -"
Me: "I told you that we're negotiating on price, not payments."
Dealer: "But ..."
:: rise to leave ::
Dealer: "Okay, with incentives we can bring the price to ..."
Made the deal. Involved financing to get the price I wanted, but the math worked. But you do have to tell dealers that you are negotiating on price and nothing else. Some will refuse. One let me walk out the door. You have to be prepared for that, too.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:41 AM (Zz0t1)
++++
The last time I bought a car, the conversation went like this.
Dealer: "What kind of monthly payment are we looking for?"
Me: "I am not buying a payment, I am buying a car. We will negotiate on price, not payment."
Dealer: "Okay."
:: some time passes ::
Dealer: "So this will come out to a monthly payment of -"
Me: "I told you that we're negotiating on price, not payments."
Dealer: "But ..."
:: rise to leave ::
Dealer: "Okay, with incentives we can bring the price to ..."
Made the deal. Involved financing to get the price I wanted, but the math worked. But you do have to tell dealers that you are negotiating on price and nothing else. Some will refuse. One let me walk out the door. You have to be prepared for that, too.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:52 AM (B2vkr)
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191 Yuge news. Eric Adams drops out of NYC mayor race. The Blade told ya!
https://tinyurl.com/msc9u3kc
Posted by: Elric The Blade
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Not fair when the Blade's opinions are viewed as a literal lethal threat to Adams to drop out.
https://tinyurl.com/msc9u3kc
Posted by: Elric The Blade
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Not fair when the Blade's opinions are viewed as a literal lethal threat to Adams to drop out.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:52 AM (WDjG6)
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A whole lot of the EV hype has been dependent on battery tech being far more advanced than it actually is. Combined with the belief that "if we just spend enough money on battery tech, of course it will get better."
But it hasn't.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 11:43 AM (
We're likely a good 20 years away from a battery source that would be sufficient for an ICE replacement.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:45 AM (Zz0t1)
Physics, Chemistry, the Laws of Thermodynamics
They're All Stone Cold Bitches Who Do Not Play!
A whole lot of the EV hype has been dependent on battery tech being far more advanced than it actually is. Combined with the belief that "if we just spend enough money on battery tech, of course it will get better."
But it hasn't.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 11:43 AM (
We're likely a good 20 years away from a battery source that would be sufficient for an ICE replacement.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:45 AM (Zz0t1)
Physics, Chemistry, the Laws of Thermodynamics
They're All Stone Cold Bitches Who Do Not Play!
Posted by: naturalfake at September 29, 2025 11:52 AM (iJfKG)
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 11:52 AM (jc0TO)
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Is that good news or bad news for Mamdani?
it's good for Mandami
Grandma-killer and Cat Guy have no chance
he'll be the new Mayor of NYC
it's good for Mandami
Grandma-killer and Cat Guy have no chance
he'll be the new Mayor of NYC
Posted by: Black Orchid at September 29, 2025 11:52 AM (FHttA)
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Is that good news or bad news for Mamdani?
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 11:51 AM (77rzZ)
It doesn't matter. Stupid NY'ers will elect his commie ass in a landslide.
"Never Forget" only lasted 25 years.
Is that good news or bad news for Mamdani?
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 11:51 AM (77rzZ)
It doesn't matter. Stupid NY'ers will elect his commie ass in a landslide.
"Never Forget" only lasted 25 years.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:53 AM (Zz0t1)
205
We're likely a good 20 years away from a battery source that would be sufficient for an ICE replacement.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
When do we get FUSION!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
Pop a dilithium crystal in the dashboard and goooooo!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
When do we get FUSION!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
Pop a dilithium crystal in the dashboard and goooooo!
Posted by: rickb223 at September 29, 2025 11:53 AM (Q9Vcs)
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You know the one thing that collapses never happened with?
Horses.
Posted by: Big Ed's Horse Emporium
Lies! -- Catherine the Great
Horses.
Posted by: Big Ed's Horse Emporium
Lies! -- Catherine the Great
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2025 11:53 AM (ExV1e)
207
This may have been mentioned in a previous post but Volkswagen/Porsche just took a $6 Billion writeoff because of the failure of their EV production lines, and they are now trying to figure out how to move back towards IC engines.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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I think Ford is walking dead from the money they blew on EVs and GM is probably not much better.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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I think Ford is walking dead from the money they blew on EVs and GM is probably not much better.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:53 AM (WDjG6)
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Use it til it's unusable (or an absolute safety hazard) is (almost) always the best environmental answers.
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2025 11:41 AM (tOcjL)
++++
Reuse is better than recycling, generally speaking.
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2025 11:41 AM (tOcjL)
++++
Reuse is better than recycling, generally speaking.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:53 AM (B2vkr)
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Yuge news. Eric Adams drops out of NYC mayor race. The Blade told ya!
https://tinyurl.com/msc9u3kc
Posted by: Elric The Blade
Is that good news or bad news for Mamdani?
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 11:51 AM (77rzZ)
________
Bad. Adams and GrandKiller were splitting the same voting demo.
https://tinyurl.com/msc9u3kc
Posted by: Elric The Blade
Is that good news or bad news for Mamdani?
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 11:51 AM (77rzZ)
________
Bad. Adams and GrandKiller were splitting the same voting demo.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 11:54 AM (iFTx/)
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Saw that show. And he was making his own charcoal to fuel it.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 29, 2025 11:50 AM (gm9Sb)
He should have just bought Kingsford.
( I like that the company was started by using left over wood from manufacturing Model T wheels)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 29, 2025 11:50 AM (gm9Sb)
He should have just bought Kingsford.
( I like that the company was started by using left over wood from manufacturing Model T wheels)
Posted by: the way I see it at September 29, 2025 11:54 AM (EYmYM)
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I think Ford is walking dead from the money they blew on EVs and GM is probably not much better.
One wonders if Trump has the stones to tell them to get f***ed when they come to Uncle Sam, hat in hand.
One wonders if Trump has the stones to tell them to get f***ed when they come to Uncle Sam, hat in hand.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 11:54 AM (Riz8t)
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204 But just remember. Mamdami would need a city council equally bat shit crazy to accomplish his goals. Oh, wait a minute....
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (gm9Sb)
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I read about this in EU about 6 or 7 years ago.
Companies were leasing plug Hybrids for their employees and at the end of the lease the cables were still in their factory wrapped cables.
Never touched and never used.
Companies were leasing plug Hybrids for their employees and at the end of the lease the cables were still in their factory wrapped cables.
Never touched and never used.
Posted by: rhennigantx at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (gbOdA)
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We're likely a good 20 years away from a battery source that would be sufficient for an ICE replacement.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
When do we get FUSION!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 29, 2025 11:50 AM (63Dwl)
I think we're just about as far from Fusion power as we are from a battery that would be sufficient for an ICE replacement.
And if you look up Popular Mechanics mags from the 50's, you can see that we've been 5 - 10 years away from working fusion powerplants for my entire life.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
When do we get FUSION!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 29, 2025 11:50 AM (63Dwl)
I think we're just about as far from Fusion power as we are from a battery that would be sufficient for an ICE replacement.
And if you look up Popular Mechanics mags from the 50's, you can see that we've been 5 - 10 years away from working fusion powerplants for my entire life.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (uWKK8)
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Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Swalwell threatens investigations for everyone working with Trump:
We're going into the majority a year from now. Accountability is coming. I hope that deters people."
Imagine making this buffoon the face of your party’s intimidation campaign.
Swalwell threatens investigations for everyone working with Trump:
We're going into the majority a year from now. Accountability is coming. I hope that deters people."
Imagine making this buffoon the face of your party’s intimidation campaign.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, [0] Day(s) Since Leftist Terror Attack! at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (L/fGl)
216
This blonde with a nice smile thinks an EV sports car would be fun:
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (B2vkr)
217
193 Yuge news. Eric Adams drops out of NYC mayor race. The Blade told ya!
https://tinyurl.com/msc9u3kc
Posted by: Elric The Blade
Is that good news or bad news for Mamdani?
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 11:51 AM (77rzZ)
Bad.
https://tinyurl.com/msc9u3kc
Posted by: Elric The Blade
Is that good news or bad news for Mamdani?
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 11:51 AM (77rzZ)
Bad.
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2025 11:56 AM (tOcjL)
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This blonde with a nice smile thinks an EV sports car would be fun:
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (B2vkr)
That's a big mouth......
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (B2vkr)
That's a big mouth......
Posted by: Mick Jagger at September 29, 2025 11:56 AM (Zz0t1)
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Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2025 11:06 AM (GbwPZ)
I agree that nothing about EVs makes sense. Not only does their extra weight cause more damage to our highway system (for which they aren’t paying the road tax at the pump), but they cause more damage to other vehicles when involved in an accident. I know this from my recent experience of being sideswiped by a Tesla Y. Damage to it was a small dent on the fender. The whole side of my van had to be replaced. $$$
I agree that nothing about EVs makes sense. Not only does their extra weight cause more damage to our highway system (for which they aren’t paying the road tax at the pump), but they cause more damage to other vehicles when involved in an accident. I know this from my recent experience of being sideswiped by a Tesla Y. Damage to it was a small dent on the fender. The whole side of my van had to be replaced. $$$
Posted by: QED Texan at September 29, 2025 11:56 AM (fveCG)
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... Imagine making this buffoon the face of your party’s intimidation campaign.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, [0] Day(s) Since Leftist Terror Attack! at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (L/fGl)
++++
It's perfect, actually.
A soulless, dull-as-dishwater who wouldn't stand out in a crowd of one is perfect for "Face of the Party" duty.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, [0] Day(s) Since Leftist Terror Attack! at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (L/fGl)
++++
It's perfect, actually.
A soulless, dull-as-dishwater who wouldn't stand out in a crowd of one is perfect for "Face of the Party" duty.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:56 AM (B2vkr)
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Does the efficiency of the engine overcome the losses of the energy conversion?
Posted by: toby928
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I think it is more a matter of battery life. Continuously charging a battery while it is discharging introduces heat which can shorten battery life. In part, that is why sodium is becoming the new darling in batteries aside from being cheaper to make. Sodium ion batteries tolerate higher heat than lithium ion which also reduces the risk of thermal run away theoretically.
Posted by: toby928
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I think it is more a matter of battery life. Continuously charging a battery while it is discharging introduces heat which can shorten battery life. In part, that is why sodium is becoming the new darling in batteries aside from being cheaper to make. Sodium ion batteries tolerate higher heat than lithium ion which also reduces the risk of thermal run away theoretically.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:56 AM (WDjG6)
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This blonde with a nice smile thinks an EV sports car would be fun:
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
She looks like she can unhinge her jaw and swallow rodents whole.
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
She looks like she can unhinge her jaw and swallow rodents whole.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 11:57 AM (Riz8t)
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Swalwell threatens investigations for everyone working with Trump:
We're going into the majority a year from now. Accountability is coming. I hope that deters people."
Imagine making this buffoon the face of your party’s intimidation campaign.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, [0] Day(s) Since Leftist Terror Attack! at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (L/fGl)
But they're not weaponizing the government, you see......
Swalwell threatens investigations for everyone working with Trump:
We're going into the majority a year from now. Accountability is coming. I hope that deters people."
Imagine making this buffoon the face of your party’s intimidation campaign.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, [0] Day(s) Since Leftist Terror Attack! at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (L/fGl)
But they're not weaponizing the government, you see......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:57 AM (Zz0t1)
224
Biomarker Research, medical researchers in South Korea, and health data from 8,407,849 South Koreans obtained from the Korean National Health Insurance database.
Published September 26, 2025.
“In terms of vaccine type, cDNA vaccines were associated with the increased risks of thyroid, gastric, colorectal, lung, and prostate cancers; mRNA vaccines were linked to the increased risks of thyroid, colorectal, lung, and breast cancers; and heterologous vaccination was related to the increased risks of thyroid and breast cancers.”
Published September 26, 2025.
“In terms of vaccine type, cDNA vaccines were associated with the increased risks of thyroid, gastric, colorectal, lung, and prostate cancers; mRNA vaccines were linked to the increased risks of thyroid, colorectal, lung, and breast cancers; and heterologous vaccination was related to the increased risks of thyroid and breast cancers.”
Posted by: rhennigantx at September 29, 2025 11:57 AM (gbOdA)
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Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (B2vkr)
Is Fen socking Joe Mannix ?
Is Fen socking Joe Mannix ?
Posted by: the way I see it at September 29, 2025 11:58 AM (EYmYM)
226
209 Yuge news. Eric Adams drops out of NYC mayor race. The Blade told ya!
https://tinyurl.com/msc9u3kc
Posted by: Elric The Blade
Is that good news or bad news for Mamdani?
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 11:51 AM (77rzZ)
________
Bad. Adams and GrandKiller were splitting the same voting demo.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 11:54 AM (iFTx/)
This - 1000%. NO ONE was voting for Adams who would vote for Mamdani - now his votes go to Cuomo and the R, which helps both at the expense of Mamdani.
Is it enough? Who knows...we'll see soon...
https://tinyurl.com/msc9u3kc
Posted by: Elric The Blade
Is that good news or bad news for Mamdani?
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 11:51 AM (77rzZ)
________
Bad. Adams and GrandKiller were splitting the same voting demo.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 11:54 AM (iFTx/)
This - 1000%. NO ONE was voting for Adams who would vote for Mamdani - now his votes go to Cuomo and the R, which helps both at the expense of Mamdani.
Is it enough? Who knows...we'll see soon...
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2025 11:58 AM (tOcjL)
227
This blonde with a nice smile thinks an EV sports car would be fun:
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (B2vkr)
_________________
"I have an Evija, ya know."
-- Chad Highborn IV
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (B2vkr)
_________________
"I have an Evija, ya know."
-- Chad Highborn IV
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 11:58 AM (iFTx/)
228
Does the efficiency of the engine overcome the losses of the energy conversion?
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 11:50 AM (jc0TO)
supposedly yes, and you don't have to mess around with the heavier battery pack. The generator can run more efficiently and the drive train can be much simpler, depending on whether they go with one central electric motor or want to put one in each wheel. I think it is a Prius without the fancy stuff, and Toyota is working on a "solid state" battery that is supposed to be much lighter.
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 11:50 AM (jc0TO)
supposedly yes, and you don't have to mess around with the heavier battery pack. The generator can run more efficiently and the drive train can be much simpler, depending on whether they go with one central electric motor or want to put one in each wheel. I think it is a Prius without the fancy stuff, and Toyota is working on a "solid state" battery that is supposed to be much lighter.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 29, 2025 11:58 AM (rbvCR)
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Swalwell threatens investigations for everyone working with Trump:
We're going into the majority a year from now. Accountability is coming. I hope that deters people."
Imagine making this buffoon the face of your party’s intimidation campaign.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, [0] Day(s) Since Leftist Terror Attack! at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (L/fGl)
Accountability is coming. I hope that deters people.
People are saying the exact same thing about Charlie's assassination.
We're going into the majority a year from now. Accountability is coming. I hope that deters people."
Imagine making this buffoon the face of your party’s intimidation campaign.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, [0] Day(s) Since Leftist Terror Attack! at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (L/fGl)
Accountability is coming. I hope that deters people.
People are saying the exact same thing about Charlie's assassination.
Posted by: rhennigantx at September 29, 2025 11:58 AM (gbOdA)
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The greenest car you can own is the oldest one you can keep running. The longer you have it on the road, the better the energy equation gets because the huge energy usage in manufacture amortizes out further and further so long as its running - and ICE vehicles have much better longevity.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
My 06 Mustang GT with a little over 375,000 miles on the clock.
Posted by: Joe Mannix
My 06 Mustang GT with a little over 375,000 miles on the clock.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at September 29, 2025 11:59 AM (5xuJ/)
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222 This blonde with a nice smile thinks an EV sports car would be fun:
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
She looks like she can unhinge her jaw and swallow rodents whole.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 11:57 AM (Riz8t)
Darla the Sword Swallower!
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
She looks like she can unhinge her jaw and swallow rodents whole.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 11:57 AM (Riz8t)
Darla the Sword Swallower!
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 11:59 AM (uWKK8)
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I agree that nothing about EVs makes sense. Not only does their extra weight cause more damage to our highway system (for which they aren’t paying the road tax at the pump), but they cause more damage to other vehicles when involved in an accident. I know this from my recent experience of being sideswiped by a Tesla Y. Damage to it was a small dent on the fender. The whole side of my van had to be replaced. $$$
Posted by: QED Texan
==========
Tractor trailer rigs and heavy trucks actually are the worst for roads and bridges as far as road damage. Whether they are taxed sufficiently to pay for their road damage is debatable and varies state by state. And 80,000 lb loading when a lot of the old roadbeds were engineered for 73k or less in weight also makes a difference.
Posted by: QED Texan
==========
Tractor trailer rigs and heavy trucks actually are the worst for roads and bridges as far as road damage. Whether they are taxed sufficiently to pay for their road damage is debatable and varies state by state. And 80,000 lb loading when a lot of the old roadbeds were engineered for 73k or less in weight also makes a difference.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 11:59 AM (WDjG6)
233
HPEV sounds like a newly-discovered incurable STD
Posted by: Vax and 27 boosters to be released at September 29, 2025 11:59 AM (TbWk/)
234
I really don't think Catherine the Great had sex with a horse. She did take human male lovers, but I think it was mostly rumors from sensational media that didn't like her.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 29, 2025 12:00 PM (ix8EF)
235
The EV thing was an op designed to separate you from your money. Count the number of state funded EV outfits that have collapsed. Socialize the cost, privatize the profits. Personally, I pine for the 1966 Charger.
Posted by: pudinhead at September 29, 2025 12:00 PM (AdHga)
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Swalwell threatens investigations for everyone working with Trump:
We're going into the majority a year from now. Accountability is coming. I hope that deters people."
Imagine making this buffoon the face of your party’s intimidation campaign.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, [0] Day(s) Since Leftist Terror Attack! at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (L/fGl)
But they're not weaponizing the government, you see......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:57 AM (Zz0t1)
______
This Fartsucker's statement is clear evidence that the Dums see big problems retaking the house in 2026.
We're going into the majority a year from now. Accountability is coming. I hope that deters people."
Imagine making this buffoon the face of your party’s intimidation campaign.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, [0] Day(s) Since Leftist Terror Attack! at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (L/fGl)
But they're not weaponizing the government, you see......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:57 AM (Zz0t1)
______
This Fartsucker's statement is clear evidence that the Dums see big problems retaking the house in 2026.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 12:00 PM (iFTx/)
237
Des Moines school superintendent (illegal alien from Guyana) is registered to vote in Maryland.
Superintendent was hired by Michelle Obama’s former top aide.
Superintendent was hired by Michelle Obama’s former top aide.
Posted by: rhennigantx at September 29, 2025 12:00 PM (gbOdA)
238
This blonde with a nice smile thinks an EV sports car would be fun:
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (B2vkr)
That's a big mouth......
Posted by: Mick Jagger at September 29, 2025 11:56 AM (Zz0t1)
She looks like Juliette Lewis.
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (B2vkr)
That's a big mouth......
Posted by: Mick Jagger at September 29, 2025 11:56 AM (Zz0t1)
She looks like Juliette Lewis.
Posted by: the way I see it at September 29, 2025 12:00 PM (EYmYM)
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> Swalwell threatens investigations for everyone working with Trump
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Where's this asshat on the administration's list?
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Where's this asshat on the administration's list?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 29, 2025 12:01 PM (Q4IgG)
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This blonde with a nice smile thinks an EV sports car would be fun:
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (B2vkr)
She would look cute in a Crosley Hotshot, too.
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (B2vkr)
She would look cute in a Crosley Hotshot, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2025 12:01 PM (o46Y5)
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> Swalwell threatens investigations for everyone working with Trump
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Where's this asshat on the administration's list?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 29, 2025 12:01 PM
Check his mortgages.
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Where's this asshat on the administration's list?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 29, 2025 12:01 PM
Check his mortgages.
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 12:02 PM (jc0TO)
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This Fartsucker's statement is clear evidence that the Dums see big problems retaking the house in 2026.
Exactly. He's making a statement and hoping you'll just assume it's correct. (We're going into the majority a year from now. Accountability is coming. I hope that deters people.)
Protip: It isn't.
Exactly. He's making a statement and hoping you'll just assume it's correct. (We're going into the majority a year from now. Accountability is coming. I hope that deters people.)
Protip: It isn't.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 12:02 PM (Riz8t)
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FoxNews - Kirk's assassin.
CBC News - President Trump, Netanyahu and the 21 point plan which will work amazingly well if the Palis give up wanting to kill the Jews.
Good luck with that!
CBC News - President Trump, Netanyahu and the 21 point plan which will work amazingly well if the Palis give up wanting to kill the Jews.
Good luck with that!
Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at September 29, 2025 12:02 PM (Sco7b)
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Even with Adams dropping out Mamdani is still leading vs Cuomo. Sliwa would have to drop out to give Cuomo the win , maybe. NYC is suicidal
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 29, 2025 12:02 PM (A2I8b)
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This blonde with a nice smile thinks an EV sports car would be fun:
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
She looks like she can unhinge her jaw and swallow rodents whole.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 11:57 AM (Riz8t)
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[Grins]
-- Diana
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
She looks like she can unhinge her jaw and swallow rodents whole.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 11:57 AM (Riz8t)
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[Grins]
-- Diana
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 12:02 PM (iFTx/)
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236 This Fartsucker's statement is clear evidence that the Dums see big problems retaking the house in 2026.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 12:00 PM (iFTx/)
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I think it's just generalized, "Party floundering without direction or leadership," without any real concern for 2026.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 12:00 PM (iFTx/)
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I think it's just generalized, "Party floundering without direction or leadership," without any real concern for 2026.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 29, 2025 12:02 PM (GBKbO)
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Swalwell threatens investigations for everyone working with Trump
And if. God forbid, they do take the House it is exactly what they will do... Not to mention impeachment attempts...
And if. God forbid, they do take the House it is exactly what they will do... Not to mention impeachment attempts...
Posted by: It's me donna at September 29, 2025 12:03 PM (VE6XX)
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I really don't think Catherine the Great had sex with a horse. She did take human male lovers, but I think it was mostly rumors from sensational media that didn't like her.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
Catherine also fed some of those rumors herself. For example, she hated her husband, Peter III, whom she had deposed, so she created the rumor that Peter had not been the father of her son Paul, but one of her noble lovers. But Paul looked a lot like Peter as an adult, so it's more than likely that Peter was his father.
Needless to say, Catherine and Paul DID NOT get along.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
Catherine also fed some of those rumors herself. For example, she hated her husband, Peter III, whom she had deposed, so she created the rumor that Peter had not been the father of her son Paul, but one of her noble lovers. But Paul looked a lot like Peter as an adult, so it's more than likely that Peter was his father.
Needless to say, Catherine and Paul DID NOT get along.
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 12:03 PM (77rzZ)
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OT: Likelihood of shutdown increases.
House is holding the line and apparently will not meet til next Monday. Tells Senate to pass their clean CR.
Joint R news conference by House and Senate now scheduled for Wednesday morning. And yet, I didn't hear that today's meeting happened yet...
House is holding the line and apparently will not meet til next Monday. Tells Senate to pass their clean CR.
Joint R news conference by House and Senate now scheduled for Wednesday morning. And yet, I didn't hear that today's meeting happened yet...
Posted by: Nova Local at September 29, 2025 12:03 PM (tOcjL)
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I can set it at 19 just before entering a 20 moh school zone and it actually works.
Alm the other vehicles I've ever had with cruise control wouldn't work below 30 mph.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 29, 2025 11:42 AM
My '23 Jeep Cherokee cruise control can be set at 20mph. I get an error message on the IP display if I try to set it below 20mph.
Alm the other vehicles I've ever had with cruise control wouldn't work below 30 mph.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 29, 2025 11:42 AM
My '23 Jeep Cherokee cruise control can be set at 20mph. I get an error message on the IP display if I try to set it below 20mph.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 29, 2025 12:03 PM (P5BPp)
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Tractor trailer rigs and heavy trucks actually are the worst for roads and bridges as far as road damage. Whether they are taxed sufficiently to pay for their road damage is debatable and varies state by state. And 80,000 lb loading when a lot of the old roadbeds were engineered for 73k or less in weight also makes a difference.
Posted by: whig
Thanks, Whig. How much worse off are our roads with the addition of all the heavy EVs? And don’t underestimate the whole damage in accidents.
Posted by: whig
Thanks, Whig. How much worse off are our roads with the addition of all the heavy EVs? And don’t underestimate the whole damage in accidents.
Posted by: QED Texan at September 29, 2025 12:04 PM (fveCG)
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I think it's just generalized, "Party floundering without direction or leadership," without any real concern for 2026.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 29, 2025 12:02 PM (GBKbO)
That whole "left retaking the majority" seems like a major flaw in his plan, if current sentiment holds.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 29, 2025 12:02 PM (GBKbO)
That whole "left retaking the majority" seems like a major flaw in his plan, if current sentiment holds.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 12:04 PM (i24o9)
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Not to mention impeachment attempts...
Posted by: It's me donna at September 29, 2025 12:03 PM
As we have learned, the Senate can just ignore impeachment votes.
Posted by: It's me donna at September 29, 2025 12:03 PM
As we have learned, the Senate can just ignore impeachment votes.
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 12:04 PM (jc0TO)
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Swalwell threatens investigations for everyone working with Trump:
We're going into the majority a year from now. Accountability is coming.
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Trump has a plan I'm sure, but it MUST include securing the ballot box so that the Democrats *never* hold meaningful power again. If we thought the "Weekend at Bernie's" presidency was bad, it won't even register compared to the anger they would unleash were they ever to cheat their way to another administration.
We're going into the majority a year from now. Accountability is coming.
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Trump has a plan I'm sure, but it MUST include securing the ballot box so that the Democrats *never* hold meaningful power again. If we thought the "Weekend at Bernie's" presidency was bad, it won't even register compared to the anger they would unleash were they ever to cheat their way to another administration.
Posted by: Crusader at September 29, 2025 12:04 PM (TN0g+)
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237 Des Moines school superintendent (illegal alien from Guyana) is registered to vote in Maryland.
Superintendent was hired by Michelle Obama’s former top aide.
Posted by: rhennigantx at September 29, 2025 12:00 PM (gbOdA)
Wretchard has had some good posts on X about this; you don't accidentally hire someone this legally compromised. Evil people do this because once you know the terrible secret, you have absolute control over that person for the rest of their lives. This kind of hiring was standard is straight out of the old Soviet playbook, the Russians called it Kompromat.
It also explains whey Democrats (and the Deep State) hate hiring anyone they don't have dirt on. To be an honest, law abiding citizen is an automatic disqualifier.
Superintendent was hired by Michelle Obama’s former top aide.
Posted by: rhennigantx at September 29, 2025 12:00 PM (gbOdA)
Wretchard has had some good posts on X about this; you don't accidentally hire someone this legally compromised. Evil people do this because once you know the terrible secret, you have absolute control over that person for the rest of their lives. This kind of hiring was standard is straight out of the old Soviet playbook, the Russians called it Kompromat.
It also explains whey Democrats (and the Deep State) hate hiring anyone they don't have dirt on. To be an honest, law abiding citizen is an automatic disqualifier.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 12:04 PM (uWKK8)
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Dang, it looks like the two hurricanes in the Atlantic are going to cross the streams.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 12:05 PM (Riz8t)
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@229
>>Accountability is coming. I hope that deters people.
Thus illustrating the maxim, when you have power, use that power, for you won't always have power.
This is a lesson the donks understand and the GOP has never until Trump.
Unfortunately, alot of Trumps team don't quite get this and or are working against the maxim.
>>Accountability is coming. I hope that deters people.
Thus illustrating the maxim, when you have power, use that power, for you won't always have power.
This is a lesson the donks understand and the GOP has never until Trump.
Unfortunately, alot of Trumps team don't quite get this and or are working against the maxim.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 29, 2025 12:05 PM (XV/Pl)
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As we have learned, the Senate can just ignore impeachment votes.
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 12:04 PM (jc0TO)
Of course but it will stop Trump from getting what he wants done...
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 12:04 PM (jc0TO)
Of course but it will stop Trump from getting what he wants done...
Posted by: It's me donna at September 29, 2025 12:05 PM (VE6XX)
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218 This blonde with a nice smile thinks an EV sports car would be fun:
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (B2vkr)
That's a big mouth......
Posted by: Mick Jagger
Last time I saw a mouth like that, it had a hook in it!
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (B2vkr)
That's a big mouth......
Posted by: Mick Jagger
Last time I saw a mouth like that, it had a hook in it!
Posted by: Rappin' Rodney at September 29, 2025 12:05 PM (oftw2)
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Sliwa would have to drop out to give Cuomo the win , maybe.
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Gay Hat Sliwa isn't dropping out. He loves the attention. Have you seen his Gay Hat?
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Gay Hat Sliwa isn't dropping out. He loves the attention. Have you seen his Gay Hat?
Posted by: Sherbert You're Joking? at September 29, 2025 12:05 PM (qUkBO)
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> And if. God forbid, they do take the House it is exactly what they will do... Not to mention impeachment attempts...
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Just wait until they reclaim all the levers of power. It's not a matter of "if" it's a matter of "when."
The left has been very vocal about what they intend to do.
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Just wait until they reclaim all the levers of power. It's not a matter of "if" it's a matter of "when."
The left has been very vocal about what they intend to do.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 29, 2025 12:05 PM (Q4IgG)
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I really don't think Catherine the Great had sex with a horse. She did take human male lovers, but I think it was mostly rumors from sensational media that didn't like her.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 29, 2025 12:00 PM (ix8EF)
Uh, oh. I think Fen's been tasting the sacrificial wine during lunch. Or posting in the wrong thread.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 29, 2025 12:00 PM (ix8EF)
Uh, oh. I think Fen's been tasting the sacrificial wine during lunch. Or posting in the wrong thread.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at September 29, 2025 12:06 PM (5xuJ/)
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Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 12:03 PM (77rzZ)
Yes; I knew that. I doubt Catherine started a rumor about her having sex with a horse.
Yes; I knew that. I doubt Catherine started a rumor about her having sex with a horse.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 29, 2025 12:06 PM (ix8EF)
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That whole "left retaking the majority" seems like a major flaw in his plan, if current sentiment holds.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 12:04 PM (i24o9)
I believe the Left will attempt to activate their cheat machine in Red districts in Blue states. Hopefully the GOP has prepared for this.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 12:04 PM (i24o9)
I believe the Left will attempt to activate their cheat machine in Red districts in Blue states. Hopefully the GOP has prepared for this.
Posted by: the way I see it at September 29, 2025 12:06 PM (EYmYM)
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I do. I have a Class 1 charger that came with it (110V ). It can be "fully" discharged - 10-12%, the computer won't let it go lower than that, it kicks on the engine to charge - and it will charge back up 100% in 12-13 hours, basically overnight. When I get back from a trip into town, about a 30 mi roundtrip, I pull into the garage and plug it in. It's programmed to not charge between 4 and 7 PM when the ¢/kwhr goes up by two and a half. If I need to run somewhere else, I can unplug and run on gas, so I'm NEVER stuck, unlike a pure ev.
Most of my local miles are on electric with an effective cost of about 5.7¢/mi, as opposed to 9.9¢/mi on gas at the present local price of $3.19/gal.
I have no idea, Buck, why you have such a hard-on for plugins, and seem.to be determined to remove that option from the marketplace, and therefore from me.
Yes, there are idiots out there that don't plug them in, for whatever reason. So what? It's their money. There are jackasses out there with 8" lifts on 40s 4wds that spend there entire time within city limits on pavement. Do you want to ban 4wds? There's always a shithead who ADs his EBR. Are you going to throw in with Handgun Control, Inc?
Most of my local miles are on electric with an effective cost of about 5.7¢/mi, as opposed to 9.9¢/mi on gas at the present local price of $3.19/gal.
I have no idea, Buck, why you have such a hard-on for plugins, and seem.to be determined to remove that option from the marketplace, and therefore from me.
Yes, there are idiots out there that don't plug them in, for whatever reason. So what? It's their money. There are jackasses out there with 8" lifts on 40s 4wds that spend there entire time within city limits on pavement. Do you want to ban 4wds? There's always a shithead who ADs his EBR. Are you going to throw in with Handgun Control, Inc?
Posted by: buddhaha at September 29, 2025 12:06 PM (KwlWd)
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Whig, what's your take on the big military powwow at Quantico tomorrow?
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 12:06 PM (77rzZ)
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They also add a gasoline bomb to a potential lithium runaway thermal fire.
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great sentence; it makes me imagine they'll find the drivers crispy bone shards spread over a much larger area.
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great sentence; it makes me imagine they'll find the drivers crispy bone shards spread over a much larger area.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 29, 2025 12:07 PM (f/d3F)
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Hopefully the GOP has prepared for this.
Posted by: the way I see it at September 29, 2025 12:06 PM (EYmYM)
lol, good one.
Posted by: the way I see it at September 29, 2025 12:06 PM (EYmYM)
lol, good one.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 12:07 PM (i24o9)
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This is what you get, when politicians and marketing departments design cars.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at September 29, 2025 12:07 PM (BXhTy)
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Hopefully the GOP has prepared for this.
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You'll never go broke betting that the GOP is unprepared.
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You'll never go broke betting that the GOP is unprepared.
Posted by: Sherbert You're Joking? at September 29, 2025 12:07 PM (qUkBO)
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How many killings will take place during the shut down? Imma beating 2-3. The Church of Manhattan will really need a couple to distract the populations focus.
Posted by: pudinhead at September 29, 2025 12:07 PM (AdHga)
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Hopefully the GOP has prepared for this.
Posted by: the way I see it at September 29, 2025 12:06 PM (EYmYM)
lol, good one.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 12:07 PM
Prepared to assist the Bolshies.
Posted by: the way I see it at September 29, 2025 12:06 PM (EYmYM)
lol, good one.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 12:07 PM
Prepared to assist the Bolshies.
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 12:08 PM (jc0TO)
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I really don't think Catherine the Great had sex with a horse. She did take human male lovers, but I think it was mostly rumors from sensational media that didn't like her.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
Catherine also fed some of those rumors herself. For example, she hated her husband, Peter III, whom she had deposed, so she created the rumor that Peter had not been the father of her son Paul, but one of her noble lovers. But Paul looked a lot like Peter as an adult, so it's more than likely that Peter was his father.
Needless to say, Catherine and Paul DID NOT get along.
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 12:03 PM (77rzZ)
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These people were all freaks so who knows? While she certainly didn't die while fucking a horse, the odds that she at one point did fuck a horse are ... not zero. People do fuck horses, although it's most insane gays. They made a documentary about it.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
Catherine also fed some of those rumors herself. For example, she hated her husband, Peter III, whom she had deposed, so she created the rumor that Peter had not been the father of her son Paul, but one of her noble lovers. But Paul looked a lot like Peter as an adult, so it's more than likely that Peter was his father.
Needless to say, Catherine and Paul DID NOT get along.
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 12:03 PM (77rzZ)
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These people were all freaks so who knows? While she certainly didn't die while fucking a horse, the odds that she at one point did fuck a horse are ... not zero. People do fuck horses, although it's most insane gays. They made a documentary about it.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 12:08 PM (iFTx/)
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Do you want to ban 4wds? There's always a shithead who ADs his EBR. Are you going to throw in with Handgun Control, Inc?
Posted by: buddhaha at September 29, 2025 12:06 PM (KwlWd)
In case you ever wondered what happened to Joe Xiden.
Posted by: buddhaha at September 29, 2025 12:06 PM (KwlWd)
In case you ever wondered what happened to Joe Xiden.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 12:08 PM (Zz0t1)
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Hopefully the GOP has prepared for this.
They're under new management. I wouldn't be quite so cynical. Also, I'm pretty sure Trump ais riding their asses about this.
They're under new management. I wouldn't be quite so cynical. Also, I'm pretty sure Trump ais riding their asses about this.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 12:08 PM (Riz8t)
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Yes; I knew that. I doubt Catherine started a rumor about her having sex with a horse.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
Yeah, I don't buy the story, anyway, either.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
Yeah, I don't buy the story, anyway, either.
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 12:08 PM (77rzZ)
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@266
>>Whig, what's your take on the big military powwow at Quantico tomorrow?
Well according to some MSM reports, it's now just going to be a social mixer to get to know the boss, hopefully this is diversion and it's really a meeting that resembles the meeting from mob meeting in The Untouchable with Hegseth holding the bat.
>>Whig, what's your take on the big military powwow at Quantico tomorrow?
Well according to some MSM reports, it's now just going to be a social mixer to get to know the boss, hopefully this is diversion and it's really a meeting that resembles the meeting from mob meeting in The Untouchable with Hegseth holding the bat.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 29, 2025 12:08 PM (XV/Pl)
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Perhaps Toyota can name one of its hectoring plug-in hybrids the “Toyota AWFL.”
To be fair, the kind of person who would buy a PHEV probably enjoys being nagged and scolded.
Part of the kink or something.
To be fair, the kind of person who would buy a PHEV probably enjoys being nagged and scolded.
Part of the kink or something.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at September 29, 2025 12:08 PM (a+4eV)
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Made the deal. Involved financing to get the price I wanted, but the math worked. But you do have to tell dealers that you are negotiating on price and nothing else. Some will refuse. One let me walk out the door. You have to be prepared for that, too.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:52 AM (B2vkr)
Agreed on the price. Salesman said, "Let me go check on what the payments would be." I said, "I'm paying cash."
This led to 45 minutes of having to speak to various managers about "am I sure", then I wrote them a check and drove my car home.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:52 AM (B2vkr)
Agreed on the price. Salesman said, "Let me go check on what the payments would be." I said, "I'm paying cash."
This led to 45 minutes of having to speak to various managers about "am I sure", then I wrote them a check and drove my car home.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2025 12:09 PM (ExV1e)
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252 I think it's just generalized, "Party floundering without direction or leadership," without any real concern for 2026.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 29, 2025 12:02 PM (GBKbO)
That whole "left retaking the majority" seems like a major flaw in his plan, if current sentiment holds.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 12:04 PM (i24o9)
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My only prediction for 2026 is that it won't follow normal political gravity. I don't know what that means, to be honest, though. Just that "conventional wisdom" will fail here.
And I don't think anyone has terribly good insight into what's going to happen in November of 2026 right now.
Midterms are weird. They can latch onto national things (the ACA and 2010 is the poster child) or just become confused messes as localization takes hold (I think 2018 is a good example).
Essentially, I predict that 2026 will be between a narrow Democrat win in the House all the way to a 2002 blowout in favor of the governing party (GOP won the overall vote by 5% and expanded the majority by about 15 seats).
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 29, 2025 12:02 PM (GBKbO)
That whole "left retaking the majority" seems like a major flaw in his plan, if current sentiment holds.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 12:04 PM (i24o9)
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My only prediction for 2026 is that it won't follow normal political gravity. I don't know what that means, to be honest, though. Just that "conventional wisdom" will fail here.
And I don't think anyone has terribly good insight into what's going to happen in November of 2026 right now.
Midterms are weird. They can latch onto national things (the ACA and 2010 is the poster child) or just become confused messes as localization takes hold (I think 2018 is a good example).
Essentially, I predict that 2026 will be between a narrow Democrat win in the House all the way to a 2002 blowout in favor of the governing party (GOP won the overall vote by 5% and expanded the majority by about 15 seats).
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 29, 2025 12:09 PM (GBKbO)
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People do fuck horses, although it's most insane gays. They made a documentary about it.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 12:08 PM
Horseman baby, ftw!
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 12:08 PM
Horseman baby, ftw!
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 12:09 PM (jc0TO)
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Who is blowing smoke up Donald's ear. Keeping Saracens in Gaza is a bad idea.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 29, 2025 12:09 PM (XH6Dk)
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Just wait until they reclaim all the levers of power. It's not a matter of "if" it's a matter of "when."
The left has been very vocal about what they intend to do.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 29, 2025 12:05 PM (Q4IgG)
I do not think that will happen - the Dem Party is well on the way towards self destruction. Now another opposition will arise, and it will probably use the name "Democrat" for branding reasons (the way that Trump uses the name "Republican") but it won't be run by this bunch. The current Democrat party is a rump, coastal party on its way to extinction - the only reali parties we have now are For Trump, and Agaiinst Trump.
The left has been very vocal about what they intend to do.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 29, 2025 12:05 PM (Q4IgG)
I do not think that will happen - the Dem Party is well on the way towards self destruction. Now another opposition will arise, and it will probably use the name "Democrat" for branding reasons (the way that Trump uses the name "Republican") but it won't be run by this bunch. The current Democrat party is a rump, coastal party on its way to extinction - the only reali parties we have now are For Trump, and Agaiinst Trump.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 12:10 PM (uWKK8)
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 12:10 PM (jc0TO)
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My friend bought a new ICE GMC pickup. Very fancy drove two long trips in the past two months. Then drove it to the Post Office, and it wouldn't start.
Towed to the dealer. Turns out his onboard computer system went into reboot and stranded him.
Towed to the dealer. Turns out his onboard computer system went into reboot and stranded him.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at September 29, 2025 12:10 PM (wBaIH)
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I have no idea, Buck, why you have such a hard-on for plugins, and seem.to be determined to remove that option from the marketplace, and therefore from me.
Yes, there are idiots out there that don't plug them in, for whatever reason. So what? It's their money. There are jackasses out there with 8" lifts on 40s 4wds that spend there entire time within city limits on pavement. Do you want to ban 4wds? There's always a shithead who ADs his EBR. Are you going to throw in with Handgun Control, Inc?
Posted by: buddhaha at September 29, 2025 12:06 PM (KwlWd)
Nice strawman.
The point was not that they don't work for anybody, but that they don't seem to work for the majority of people.
Your strawman does nothing to change that basic reality.
Yes, there are idiots out there that don't plug them in, for whatever reason. So what? It's their money. There are jackasses out there with 8" lifts on 40s 4wds that spend there entire time within city limits on pavement. Do you want to ban 4wds? There's always a shithead who ADs his EBR. Are you going to throw in with Handgun Control, Inc?
Posted by: buddhaha at September 29, 2025 12:06 PM (KwlWd)
Nice strawman.
The point was not that they don't work for anybody, but that they don't seem to work for the majority of people.
Your strawman does nothing to change that basic reality.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 12:10 PM (i24o9)
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Well according to some MSM reports, it's now just going to be a social mixer to get to know the boss, hopefully this is diversion and it's really a meeting that resembles the meeting from mob meeting in The Untouchable with Hegseth holding the bat.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 29, 2025 12:08 PM (XV/Pl)
It will be a friendly reminder that the military's job is to be good a war, not catering to the mental illnesses of the trans community.
Well according to some MSM reports, it's now just going to be a social mixer to get to know the boss, hopefully this is diversion and it's really a meeting that resembles the meeting from mob meeting in The Untouchable with Hegseth holding the bat.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 29, 2025 12:08 PM (XV/Pl)
It will be a friendly reminder that the military's job is to be good a war, not catering to the mental illnesses of the trans community.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 12:11 PM (Zz0t1)
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Has Ace finally been felled by shelving?
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2025 12:11 PM (2ocoG)
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Watching Court Hearing for Charlie Kirk's assassin. Can defense attorneys be made to divulge who is paying their fees? Anybody know?
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 29, 2025 12:11 PM (gm9Sb)
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222 This blonde with a nice smile thinks an EV sports car would be fun:
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
She looks like she can unhinge her jaw and swallow rodents whole.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 11:57 AM (Riz8t)
She's one of the snake aliens in skin suits from "V"?
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
She looks like she can unhinge her jaw and swallow rodents whole.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 11:57 AM (Riz8t)
She's one of the snake aliens in skin suits from "V"?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 29, 2025 12:11 PM (ynpvh)
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Thanks, Whig. How much worse off are our roads with the addition of all the heavy EVs? And don’t underestimate the whole damage in accidents.
Posted by: QED Texan
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The amount of damage is disputed but AI summary says this, "Freight trucks are responsible for approximately 99% of wear-and-tear on U.S. roads, yet they pay only about 35% of the highway maintenance costs, resulting in a significant subsidy estimated at $60 billion annually"
Posted by: QED Texan
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The amount of damage is disputed but AI summary says this, "Freight trucks are responsible for approximately 99% of wear-and-tear on U.S. roads, yet they pay only about 35% of the highway maintenance costs, resulting in a significant subsidy estimated at $60 billion annually"
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 12:11 PM (WDjG6)
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It will be a friendly reminder that the military's job is to be good a war, not catering to the mental illnesses of the trans community.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 12:11 PM (Zz0t1)
I hope you're right....
It will be a friendly reminder that the military's job is to be good a war, not catering to the mental illnesses of the trans community.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 12:11 PM (Zz0t1)
I hope you're right....
Posted by: It's me donna at September 29, 2025 12:11 PM (VE6XX)
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282 Who is blowing smoke up Donald's ear. Keeping Saracens in Gaza is a bad idea.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 29, 2025 12:09 PM (XH6Dk)
The terms of the deal being offered don't really matter; Hamas will turn it down. Or more likely, Hamas will claim to accept it and then violate every term immediately.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 29, 2025 12:09 PM (XH6Dk)
The terms of the deal being offered don't really matter; Hamas will turn it down. Or more likely, Hamas will claim to accept it and then violate every term immediately.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 12:11 PM (uWKK8)
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This blonde with a nice smile thinks an EV sports car would be fun:
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (B2vkr)
Not as much as you might think. -- Richard Hammond
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (B2vkr)
Not as much as you might think. -- Richard Hammond
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2025 12:12 PM (ExV1e)
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People do fuck horses, although it's most insane gays. They made a documentary Enumclaw tourism video about it.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 12:08 PM
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 12:08 PM
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 12:12 PM (i24o9)
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I would never buy one myself, but it's so WEIRD to me that people spend all this money on something then can't take 1 minute to save themselves money.
But then again I'm the guy that takes that 1 minute every day and turns off lights and fans before I leave for work, so yeah.
But then again I'm the guy that takes that 1 minute every day and turns off lights and fans before I leave for work, so yeah.
Posted by: DudeAbiding at September 29, 2025 12:12 PM (setIA)
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Yes; I knew that. I doubt Catherine started a rumor about her having sex with a horse.
Are we 100% sure Paolo didn't have an ancestor in the Russian Court?
Are we 100% sure Paolo didn't have an ancestor in the Russian Court?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 12:12 PM (Riz8t)
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Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at September 29, 2025 12:06 PM (5xuJ/)
It's quite possible that I was posting in the wrong thread, but someone else posted about Catherine having sex with horses. It's a fairly regular joke here. Otherwise I wouldn't mention it.
It's quite possible that I was posting in the wrong thread, but someone else posted about Catherine having sex with horses. It's a fairly regular joke here. Otherwise I wouldn't mention it.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 29, 2025 12:12 PM (ix8EF)
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@280
>>Essentially, I predict that 2026 will be between a narrow Democrat win in the House all the way to a 2002 blowout in favor of the governing party (GOP won the overall vote by 5% and expanded the majority by about 15 seats).
I doubt it's going to be a GOP blowout, the Donks will steal a couple of more seats in Cali, Illinois, and New York, Texas redistricting will probably add a couple, some Red States will pick up a couple of Donks seats, I'm predicting all of this offsets and the GOP holds the house with the same slim margin they have now.
>>Essentially, I predict that 2026 will be between a narrow Democrat win in the House all the way to a 2002 blowout in favor of the governing party (GOP won the overall vote by 5% and expanded the majority by about 15 seats).
I doubt it's going to be a GOP blowout, the Donks will steal a couple of more seats in Cali, Illinois, and New York, Texas redistricting will probably add a couple, some Red States will pick up a couple of Donks seats, I'm predicting all of this offsets and the GOP holds the house with the same slim margin they have now.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 29, 2025 12:12 PM (XV/Pl)
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People do fuck horses, although it's most insane gays. They made a documentary about it.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
Wasn't that kinda the plot of Equus?
Posted by: Elric The Blade
Wasn't that kinda the plot of Equus?
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 12:12 PM (77rzZ)
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Posted by: buddhaha at September 29, 2025 12:06 PM (KwlWd)
Governments aren't subsidizing lift kits and carry pistols.
Governments aren't subsidizing lift kits and carry pistols.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo [Flying the American Flag!] at September 29, 2025 12:13 PM (n9ltV)
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289 Watching Court Hearing for Charlie Kirk's assassin. Can defense attorneys be made to divulge who is paying their fees? Anybody know?
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 29, 2025 12:11 PM (gm9Sb)
I thought he was using a Public Defender ?
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 29, 2025 12:11 PM (gm9Sb)
I thought he was using a Public Defender ?
Posted by: It's me donna at September 29, 2025 12:13 PM (VE6XX)
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It doesn't matter. Stupid NY'ers will elect his commie ass in a landslide.
"Never Forget" only lasted 25 years.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:53 AM
More like 7 years. America elected the America-hating Marxist Obama in 2008.
"Never Forget" only lasted 25 years.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 11:53 AM
More like 7 years. America elected the America-hating Marxist Obama in 2008.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 29, 2025 12:13 PM (P5BPp)
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Every frontwheel drive car needs a way to lock the differential to one side or the other in case of a broken CV joint. Ideally this would be a nut like thing that you could switch from both ways to left or right with your lug wrench. Then you could limp home.
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 12:13 PM (jc0TO)
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It will be a friendly reminder that the military's job is to be good a war, not catering to the mental illnesses of the trans community.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 12:11 PM (Zz0t1)
I hope you're right....
Posted by: It's me donna at September 29, 2025 12:11 PM (VE6XX)
Perhaps clear the hurdles to reinstating and fair treatment of COVID jab rejectees.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 12:11 PM (Zz0t1)
I hope you're right....
Posted by: It's me donna at September 29, 2025 12:11 PM (VE6XX)
Perhaps clear the hurdles to reinstating and fair treatment of COVID jab rejectees.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 12:13 PM (i24o9)
Posted by: What's this? at September 29, 2025 12:13 PM (TbWk/)
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266 Whig, what's your take on the big military powwow at Quantico tomorrow?
Posted by: Bulg
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Dunno, good opsec over it. But Trump is probably going to show up for a time according to Trump himself.
Posted by: Bulg
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Dunno, good opsec over it. But Trump is probably going to show up for a time according to Trump himself.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 12:13 PM (WDjG6)
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297 Yes; I knew that. I doubt Catherine started a rumor about her having sex with a horse.
Are we 100% sure Paolo didn't have an ancestor in the Russian Court?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 12:12 PM (Riz8t)
I don't know nuffin' about that.
Are we 100% sure Paolo didn't have an ancestor in the Russian Court?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 12:12 PM (Riz8t)
I don't know nuffin' about that.
Posted by: Mr. Ed at September 29, 2025 12:13 PM (ynpvh)
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273 These people were all freaks so who knows? While she certainly didn't die while fucking a horse, the odds that she at one point did fuck a horse are ... not zero. People do fuck horses, although it's most insane gays. They made a documentary about it.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 12:08 PM (iFTx/)
Kenneth Pinyin has entered the chat.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 12:08 PM (iFTx/)
Kenneth Pinyin has entered the chat.
Posted by: XTC at September 29, 2025 12:13 PM (UnA8+)
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People do fuck horses, although it's most insane gays. They made a documentary about it.
Was Sarah Jessica Parker in it?
Was Sarah Jessica Parker in it?
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2025 12:14 PM (2ocoG)
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More like 7 years. America elected the America-hating Marxist Obama in 2008.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 29, 2025 12:13 PM (P5BPp)
Your point is valid.
More like 7 years. America elected the America-hating Marxist Obama in 2008.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 29, 2025 12:13 PM (P5BPp)
Your point is valid.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 12:14 PM (Zz0t1)
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I really don't think Catherine the Great had sex with a horse.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 29, 2025 12:00 PM (ix8EF)
I don't either but she makes a handy sock when making horse related jokes because most people of a certain age have heard the rumor.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 29, 2025 12:00 PM (ix8EF)
I don't either but she makes a handy sock when making horse related jokes because most people of a certain age have heard the rumor.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2025 12:14 PM (ExV1e)
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Look, I just want a 1939 Packard touring sedan. I don't care if it runs on gasoline, electricity or chicken-poop sourced methane, I'll be the envy of the Bojangles drive-through line.
Posted by: Paco at September 29, 2025 12:14 PM (mADJX)
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I got my census forms. First time in my new State. I always managed to avoid this in CO, but I'm worried they may enforce the laws more seriously here. They do for everything else.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 29, 2025 12:15 PM (BI5O2)
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"I'm gonna be late, boss, I forgot to plug in my car last night."
"Todd, you drive a fifteen year old Silverado."
".... uhhhhhh.... bad starter?"
"Dammit, Todd."
"Todd, you drive a fifteen year old Silverado."
".... uhhhhhh.... bad starter?"
"Dammit, Todd."
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 29, 2025 12:15 PM (VoAdT)
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People do fuck horses, although it's most insane gays. They made a documentary about it.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 12:08 PM (iFTx/)
Well there's something I didn't want to know, and am sorry that I do.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 29, 2025 12:08 PM (iFTx/)
Well there's something I didn't want to know, and am sorry that I do.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 12:15 PM (uWKK8)
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That's more inefficient and defeats the purpose of a PHEV.
If the purpose is to serve your car and not the other way around.
If the purpose is to serve your car and not the other way around.
Posted by: t-bird at September 29, 2025 12:15 PM (X/31g)
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People do fuck horses, although it's most insane gays. They made a documentary about it.
Was Sarah Jessica Parker in it?
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2025 12:14 PM (2ocoG)
It was called horseface sex in the city.
Was Sarah Jessica Parker in it?
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2025 12:14 PM (2ocoG)
It was called horseface sex in the city.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 12:15 PM (i24o9)
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302 Nope. High profile defense attorney with a second and third chair.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 29, 2025 12:15 PM (gm9Sb)
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I think the Pentagon Summit is a call to remind the brass that there's a war here at home and their duty is here, every bit as it is "over there."
Especially if there's reason to believe the left's various foot soldiers are being prepped for war. As it would appear.
Either that or it's participation trophy time.
Especially if there's reason to believe the left's various foot soldiers are being prepped for war. As it would appear.
Either that or it's participation trophy time.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 29, 2025 12:15 PM (Q4IgG)
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Agreed on the price. Salesman said, "Let me go check on what the payments would be." I said, "I'm paying cash."
This led to 45 minutes of having to speak to various managers about "am I sure", then I wrote them a check and drove my car home.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2025 12:09 PM (ExV1e)
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I never said, "cash." I strongly implied it - negotiating on price and price alone does that by itself - but I ended up financing it (after reading the fine print) to get the price I wanted. Be open to financing if needed if it gets you the deal you want and you can keep incentives with early payment (that "fine print" thing).
This led to 45 minutes of having to speak to various managers about "am I sure", then I wrote them a check and drove my car home.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2025 12:09 PM (ExV1e)
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I never said, "cash." I strongly implied it - negotiating on price and price alone does that by itself - but I ended up financing it (after reading the fine print) to get the price I wanted. Be open to financing if needed if it gets you the deal you want and you can keep incentives with early payment (that "fine print" thing).
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 12:15 PM (B2vkr)
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It's quite possible that I was posting in the wrong thread, but someone else posted about Catherine having sex with horses. It's a fairly regular joke here. Otherwise I wouldn't mention it.
>>>>>>>Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 29, 2025 12:12 PM (ix8EF)
You can never pass up an opportunity to be a smug scold.
>>>>>>>Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 29, 2025 12:12 PM (ix8EF)
You can never pass up an opportunity to be a smug scold.
Posted by: Scoldilocks The Berating at September 29, 2025 12:15 PM (u+yKD)
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299 I doubt it's going to be a GOP blowout, the Donks will steal a couple of more seats in Cali, Illinois, and New York, Texas redistricting will probably add a couple, some Red States will pick up a couple of Donks seats, I'm predicting all of this offsets and the GOP holds the house with the same slim margin they have now.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 29, 2025 12:12 PM (XV/Pl)
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MO just finalized their map this weekend, gov signed it, adding one more.
FL will probably do it and add five more.
But...the problem is the funding shortfall. I don't think I'm being too conspiratorial when I say that the Democrat Party has come to rely on the fed grant machine to run everything from outward party apparatus jobs to things like ballot harvesting. If the blow is as large as it seems to be and I think it is...their ability to cheat is going to be reduced. Their ability to create the generalized ecosystem for Democrats will be reduced.
It'll have an effect.
So...2002 maybe. We'll see.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 29, 2025 12:12 PM (XV/Pl)
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MO just finalized their map this weekend, gov signed it, adding one more.
FL will probably do it and add five more.
But...the problem is the funding shortfall. I don't think I'm being too conspiratorial when I say that the Democrat Party has come to rely on the fed grant machine to run everything from outward party apparatus jobs to things like ballot harvesting. If the blow is as large as it seems to be and I think it is...their ability to cheat is going to be reduced. Their ability to create the generalized ecosystem for Democrats will be reduced.
It'll have an effect.
So...2002 maybe. We'll see.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 29, 2025 12:15 PM (GBKbO)
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Whig, what's your take on the big military powwow at Quantico tomorrow?
Someone put up a big sign in downtown DC that says "HEGSETH, PT THE GENERALS!".
I know that's a popular topic of hilarity on X as well.
Someone put up a big sign in downtown DC that says "HEGSETH, PT THE GENERALS!".
I know that's a popular topic of hilarity on X as well.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2025 12:15 PM (2ocoG)
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319 302 Nope. High profile defense attorney with a second and third chair.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 29, 2025 12:15 PM (gm9Sb)
Family ?
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 29, 2025 12:15 PM (gm9Sb)
Family ?
Posted by: It's me donna at September 29, 2025 12:16 PM (VE6XX)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 29, 2025 12:16 PM (ix8EF)
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315 "I'm gonna be late, boss, I forgot to plug in my car last night."
"Todd, you drive a fifteen year old Silverado."
".... uhhhhhh.... bad starter?"
"Dammit, Todd."
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 29, 2025 12:15 PM (VoAdT)
Fuckin' Todd...
"Todd, you drive a fifteen year old Silverado."
".... uhhhhhh.... bad starter?"
"Dammit, Todd."
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 29, 2025 12:15 PM (VoAdT)
Fuckin' Todd...
Posted by: It's always Todd at September 29, 2025 12:16 PM (TbWk/)
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Nice strawman.
The point was not that they don't work for anybody, but that they don't seem to work for the majority of people.
Your strawman does nothing to change that basic reality.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 12:10 PM (i24o9)
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If I had a city commute I'd buy one in a minute. They are fast, convenient, safe and comfortable. And a big FY to every dealer I've haggled with.
Nice strawman.
The point was not that they don't work for anybody, but that they don't seem to work for the majority of people.
Your strawman does nothing to change that basic reality.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 12:10 PM (i24o9)
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If I had a city commute I'd buy one in a minute. They are fast, convenient, safe and comfortable. And a big FY to every dealer I've haggled with.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 29, 2025 12:16 PM (XH6Dk)
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really don't think Catherine the Great had sex with a horse.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 29, 2025 12:00 PM (ix8EF)
I don't either but she makes a handy sock when making horse related jokes because most people of a certain age have heard the rumor.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2025 12:14 PM (ExV1e)
The rumor was she died having sex with a horse. It turned into that she just has sex with horses.
I think she died of a stroke.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 29, 2025 12:00 PM (ix8EF)
I don't either but she makes a handy sock when making horse related jokes because most people of a certain age have heard the rumor.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2025 12:14 PM (ExV1e)
The rumor was she died having sex with a horse. It turned into that she just has sex with horses.
I think she died of a stroke.
Posted by: the way I see it at September 29, 2025 12:16 PM (EYmYM)
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I am a sanctimonious ahole, who doesnt go to church, how am i supposed to display my superior moral status if not by my "eco freindly" car? Well... well...
The fact that I am better than you dirty smelly old standard car drivers is clear because my car tells me so.
The fact that I am better than you dirty smelly old standard car drivers is clear because my car tells me so.
Posted by: I am better than all of you at September 29, 2025 12:17 PM (yaniu)
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Look, I just want a 1939 Packard touring sedan. I don't care if it runs on gasoline, electricity or chicken-poop sourced methane, I'll be the envy of the Bojangles drive-through line.
Posted by: Paco at September 29, 2025 12:14 PM (mADJX)
At one of the cruise nights around here an older dude showed up with one. It was pristine, beautiful. He made a comment of maybe selling it for 24K. I damn near shit my pants. I was thinking buying it and renting it out for weddings.
Posted by: Paco at September 29, 2025 12:14 PM (mADJX)
At one of the cruise nights around here an older dude showed up with one. It was pristine, beautiful. He made a comment of maybe selling it for 24K. I damn near shit my pants. I was thinking buying it and renting it out for weddings.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 29, 2025 12:17 PM (snZF9)
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304 Every frontwheel drive car needs a way to lock the differential to one side or the other in case of a broken CV joint. Ideally this would be a nut like thing that you could switch from both ways to left or right with your lug wrench. Then you could limp home.
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 12:13 PM (jc0TO)
impossible - men who buy EV's have no nuts.
Posted by: toby928 IS Number Six at September 29, 2025 12:13 PM (jc0TO)
impossible - men who buy EV's have no nuts.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 12:17 PM (uWKK8)
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Charlie Kirks influence in the 2026 election will be missed.. Not sure anyone can replace him...
Posted by: It's me donna at September 29, 2025 12:17 PM (VE6XX)
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Charlie Kirks influence in the 2026 election will be missed.. Not sure anyone can replace him...
Posted by: It's me donna at September 29, 2025 12:17 PM (VE6XX)
Erika is going to do everything she can to fill the void. I think she will be highly effective.
Posted by: It's me donna at September 29, 2025 12:17 PM (VE6XX)
Erika is going to do everything she can to fill the void. I think she will be highly effective.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
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People don't plug it in, because it doesn't really save you any money-like at all. I own a PHEV Pacifica. After some experiments, I determined that a full charge(16kWh) saves me roughly 1 gallon of gas. I have a charger outside of my work that will charge me $0.18 kWh to charge my van. To charge my van, it will charge me ~$2.88 ... do you know what else is about that price? A gallon of gas. Add to that, I don't have the hassle of getting the car off the charger after it charged (they'll charge you $5/hrs for hogging the charger). I love the hybrid part, the gas mileage is much better, but the plug is useless, unless you can make electricity really really cheap.
Posted by: Ryan at September 29, 2025 12:18 PM (uWW20)
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Erika is going to do everything she can to fill the void. I think she will be highly effective.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
Hope so...
Erika is going to do everything she can to fill the void. I think she will be highly effective.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
Hope so...
Posted by: It's me donna at September 29, 2025 12:19 PM (VE6XX)
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If I had a city commute I'd buy one in a minute. They are fast, convenient, safe and comfortable.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 29, 2025 12:16 PM (XH6Dk)
That describes a KIA ICE vehicle, for the matter, which is likely cheaper to boot. That comes from a reluctant Toyota hybrid tech admirer, FWIW.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 29, 2025 12:16 PM (XH6Dk)
That describes a KIA ICE vehicle, for the matter, which is likely cheaper to boot. That comes from a reluctant Toyota hybrid tech admirer, FWIW.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 12:19 PM (i24o9)
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. I think she will be highly effective.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
I hope so. You need to have a heart of iron for politics. Not many women do.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
I hope so. You need to have a heart of iron for politics. Not many women do.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 29, 2025 12:19 PM (a2a55)
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324 PDT takes the stage in Quantico, in front of a huge American flag. Tells the Flag Officers that after this is done, at least they won't have to tell their grandchildren they were shoveling shit in Louisiana.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 29, 2025 12:19 PM (gm9Sb)
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The rumor was she died having sex with a horse. It turned into that she just has sex with horses.
I think she died of a stroke.
Posted by: the way I see it at September 29, 2025 12:16 PM (EYmYM)
I know an old lady who swallowed a fly
I don't know why she swallowed the fly
Perhaps she'll die
I know an old lady who swallowed a horse
she's dead, of course.
I think she died of a stroke.
Posted by: the way I see it at September 29, 2025 12:16 PM (EYmYM)
I know an old lady who swallowed a fly
I don't know why she swallowed the fly
Perhaps she'll die
I know an old lady who swallowed a horse
she's dead, of course.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 29, 2025 12:20 PM (uWKK8)
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339 324 PDT takes the stage in Quantico, in front of a huge American flag. Tells the Flag Officers that after this is done, at least they won't have to tell their grandchildren they were shoveling shit in Louisiana.
Posted by: bill in arkansas
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Brilliant!
Posted by: bill in arkansas
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Brilliant!
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2025 12:20 PM (WDjG6)
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It was called horseface sex in the city.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon
King Charles has entered the chat.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon
King Charles has entered the chat.
Posted by: QED Texan at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (fveCG)
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Even the Prius hybrid still has a Lithium ion battery, and they aren't cheap...at least $1K, not including installation.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (ynpvh)
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love the hybrid part, the gas mileage is much better, but the plug is useless, unless you can make electricity really really cheap.
Posted by: Ryan at September 29, 2025 12:18 PM (uWW20)
And they're never going to solve the electricity scarcity problem enough for mass adoption, because that runs counter to the plan, by all appeances.
Posted by: Ryan at September 29, 2025 12:18 PM (uWW20)
And they're never going to solve the electricity scarcity problem enough for mass adoption, because that runs counter to the plan, by all appeances.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (i24o9)
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Electric cars are toys, nothing more (right now). I think treating them as serious vehicles means you are not a serious person.
I don't mind people buying toys or enjoying them, just don't try to force me to buy one. Looking at you, WA state...
I don't mind people buying toys or enjoying them, just don't try to force me to buy one. Looking at you, WA state...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (xcxpd)
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340 The rumor was she died having sex with a horse. It turned into that she just has sex with horses.
I think she died of a stroke.
Posted by: the way I see it at September 29, 2025 12:16 PM (EYmYM)
Did you see that horse....
I think she died of a stroke.
Posted by: the way I see it at September 29, 2025 12:16 PM (EYmYM)
Did you see that horse....
Posted by: It's me donna at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (VE6XX)
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331 At one of the cruise nights around here an older dude showed up with one. It was pristine, beautiful. He made a comment of maybe selling it for 24K. I damn near shit my pants. I was thinking buying it and renting it out for weddings. - Berserker-Dragonheads Division
That would be an absolute steal, assuming it's in good running condition and not held together with Bondo.
That would be an absolute steal, assuming it's in good running condition and not held together with Bondo.
Posted by: Paco at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (mADJX)
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@323
>>It'll have an effect.
Sure, but the Donks control the voting apparatuses in their respective states with an iron fist, which is how they have been able to whittle down the GOP congressional seats in places like Cali, there are now 9 GOP seats in Cali, they are probably going to swipe five, leaving four, NY is going to probably take 1 or 2, same with Illinois, so they are going to convert anywhere from 8-12 seats, the GOP is going to have to convert Donk seats to match, I think they can do that, but that relies on everything else staying the same, which is not always a good bet.
Bottom line, the US congressional map is a knife edge and it really shouldn't be.
>>It'll have an effect.
Sure, but the Donks control the voting apparatuses in their respective states with an iron fist, which is how they have been able to whittle down the GOP congressional seats in places like Cali, there are now 9 GOP seats in Cali, they are probably going to swipe five, leaving four, NY is going to probably take 1 or 2, same with Illinois, so they are going to convert anywhere from 8-12 seats, the GOP is going to have to convert Donk seats to match, I think they can do that, but that relies on everything else staying the same, which is not always a good bet.
Bottom line, the US congressional map is a knife edge and it really shouldn't be.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (XV/Pl)
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Dang, it looks like the two hurricanes in the Atlantic are going to cross the streams.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 12:05 PM
Will it be a disaster of epic proportions? Will it be.. The Perfect Storm?
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 12:05 PM
Will it be a disaster of epic proportions? Will it be.. The Perfect Storm?
Posted by: Todd Gross, TV Meteorologist at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (P5BPp)
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344 love the hybrid part, the gas mileage is much better, but the plug is useless, unless you can make electricity really really cheap.
Posted by: Ryan at September 29, 2025 12:18 PM (uWW20)
And they're never going to solve the electricity scarcity problem enough for mass adoption, because that runs counter to the plan, by all appeances.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (i24o9)
I hear good things about the Mister Fusion...
Posted by: Ryan at September 29, 2025 12:18 PM (uWW20)
And they're never going to solve the electricity scarcity problem enough for mass adoption, because that runs counter to the plan, by all appeances.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (i24o9)
I hear good things about the Mister Fusion...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (xcxpd)
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I never said, "cash." I strongly implied it - negotiating on price and price alone does that by itself - but I ended up financing it (after reading the fine print) to get the price I wanted. Be open to financing if needed if it gets you the deal you want and you can keep incentives with early payment (that "fine print" thing).
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 12:15 PM (B2vkr)
I was open to financing until they told me the interest rate. Since the method of payment didn't change the out the door price, I saw no reason to finance and immediately pay it off.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 12:15 PM (B2vkr)
I was open to financing until they told me the interest rate. Since the method of payment didn't change the out the door price, I saw no reason to finance and immediately pay it off.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (ExV1e)
352
Nice strawman.
. . . .
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon
"There's a Straaaaaawman, waiting in the sky,
He's like to come and meet us, but he thinks it'd blow our mind."
Man, that's not quite right, needs a bit more work. . .
- Zombie Ziggy Stardust
. . . .
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon
"There's a Straaaaaawman, waiting in the sky,
He's like to come and meet us, but he thinks it'd blow our mind."
Man, that's not quite right, needs a bit more work. . .
- Zombie Ziggy Stardust
Posted by: Tonypete at September 29, 2025 12:22 PM (cYBz/)
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impossible - men who buy EV's have no nuts.
Men who bitch about them constantly have a '67 Camaro to substitute for their pants contents and now feel threatened by this newfangled fuel injection hocus-pocus, never mind a (P)(H)EV.
Men who bitch about them constantly have a '67 Camaro to substitute for their pants contents and now feel threatened by this newfangled fuel injection hocus-pocus, never mind a (P)(H)EV.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2025 12:22 PM (2ocoG)
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348 Sure, but the Donks control the voting apparatuses in their respective states with an iron fist, which is how they have been able to whittle down the GOP congressional seats in places like Cali, there are now 9 GOP seats in Cali, they are probably going to swipe five, leaving four, NY is going to probably take 1 or 2, same with Illinois, so they are going to convert anywhere from 8-12 seats, the GOP is going to have to convert Donk seats to match, I think they can do that, but that relies on everything else staying the same, which is not always a good bet.
Bottom line, the US congressional map is a knife edge and it really shouldn't be.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (XV/Pl)
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NY and IL are not going to redraw their maps, by the way.
Both states already have pretty close to a dummymander anyway.
Bottom line, the US congressional map is a knife edge and it really shouldn't be.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (XV/Pl)
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NY and IL are not going to redraw their maps, by the way.
Both states already have pretty close to a dummymander anyway.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 29, 2025 12:22 PM (GBKbO)
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343 Even the Prius hybrid still has a Lithium ion battery, and they aren't cheap...at least $1K, not including installation.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (ynpvh)
Well, you can also get the Nickel metal hydride batteries too...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (ynpvh)
Well, you can also get the Nickel metal hydride batteries too...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 29, 2025 12:22 PM (ynpvh)
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Trump has a plan I'm sure, but it MUST include securing the ballot box so that the Democrats *never* hold meaningful power again. If we thought the "Weekend at Bernie's" presidency was bad, it won't even register compared to the anger they would unleash were they ever to cheat their way to another administration.
Posted by: Crusader at September 29, 2025 12:04 PM (TN0g+)
Trump pointed out during the last EO signing that in preparation to put Nat Guard into Chicago, Director Patel put enhanced FBI presence into Chicago five months ago to get a handle on the crime and violence there.
This is a fair amount of prep work, and I suspect there is a lot of it going around.
Posted by: Crusader at September 29, 2025 12:04 PM (TN0g+)
Trump pointed out during the last EO signing that in preparation to put Nat Guard into Chicago, Director Patel put enhanced FBI presence into Chicago five months ago to get a handle on the crime and violence there.
This is a fair amount of prep work, and I suspect there is a lot of it going around.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 29, 2025 12:23 PM (rbvCR)
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You can never pass up an opportunity to be a smug scold.
Well, she was responding to me and I didn't take it that way. Are you sure that you're not reading something which isn't there because you don't like her?
Well, she was responding to me and I didn't take it that way. Are you sure that you're not reading something which isn't there because you don't like her?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2025 12:23 PM (ExV1e)
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That would be an absolute steal, assuming it's in good running condition and not held together with Bondo.
Posted by: Paco at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (mADJX)
I checked it out. The car was mint, inside, outside, motor compartment, ran great. I was weak.
Posted by: Paco at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (mADJX)
I checked it out. The car was mint, inside, outside, motor compartment, ran great. I was weak.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 29, 2025 12:23 PM (snZF9)
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I was open to financing until they told me the interest rate. Since the method of payment didn't change the out the door price, I saw no reason to finance and immediately pay it off.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (ExV1e)
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Yup. Incentives count. In my transaction, I got another $1.5k off sticker thanks to financing and the fine print showed me how to pay it off without losing that incentive. It cost me under $80 in interest. Easy math.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (ExV1e)
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Yup. Incentives count. In my transaction, I got another $1.5k off sticker thanks to financing and the fine print showed me how to pay it off without losing that incentive. It cost me under $80 in interest. Easy math.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 12:23 PM (B2vkr)
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349 Dang, it looks like the two hurricanes in the Atlantic are going to cross the streams.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 12:05 PM
Will it be a disaster of epic proportions? Will it be.. The Perfect Storm?
Posted by: Todd Gross, TV Meteorologist at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (P5BPp)
It's happened before...they both lose out, weakening substantially if they merge.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 12:05 PM
Will it be a disaster of epic proportions? Will it be.. The Perfect Storm?
Posted by: Todd Gross, TV Meteorologist at September 29, 2025 12:21 PM (P5BPp)
It's happened before...they both lose out, weakening substantially if they merge.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 29, 2025 12:23 PM (ynpvh)
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 29, 2025 12:22 PM (GBKbO)
Welcome, TJM. You missed the spirited discussion of HOAs in the last thread.
Welcome, TJM. You missed the spirited discussion of HOAs in the last thread.
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 12:24 PM (77rzZ)
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That describes a KIA ICE vehicle, for the matter, which is likely cheaper to boot.
But more likely to get you stereotyped as having an auto-modded Glock and 35 pounds of weed in the trunk.
But more likely to get you stereotyped as having an auto-modded Glock and 35 pounds of weed in the trunk.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 29, 2025 12:24 PM (2ocoG)
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new one
new one
Posted by: four seasons at September 29, 2025 12:24 PM (3ek7K)
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Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2025 12:23
Thanks for not taking that way.
Thanks for not taking that way.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 29, 2025 12:24 PM (ix8EF)
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Well, you can also get the Nickel metal hydride batteries too...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
Nickelbatts? Sounds like a good name for a band.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
Nickelbatts? Sounds like a good name for a band.
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 12:25 PM (77rzZ)
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But more likely to get you stereotyped as having an auto-modded Glock and 35 pounds of weed in the trunk.
Posted by: Ian S.
Honest Officer, that's for personal use.
Unsurprisingly, there was a time that was true.
Posted by: Ian S.
Honest Officer, that's for personal use.
Unsurprisingly, there was a time that was true.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 29, 2025 12:25 PM (cYBz/)
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Dang, it looks like the two hurricanes in the Atlantic are going to cross the streams.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 12:05 PM
Will it be a disaster of epic proportions? Will it be.. The Perfect Storm?
Posted by: Todd Gross
No. Because it won't wipe democrats off the face of California.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 29, 2025 12:05 PM
Will it be a disaster of epic proportions? Will it be.. The Perfect Storm?
Posted by: Todd Gross
No. Because it won't wipe democrats off the face of California.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 29, 2025 12:26 PM (Q9Vcs)
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It's happened before...they both lose out, weakening substantially if they merge.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 29, 2025 12:23 PM (ynpvh)
Part of the nuclear bomb hurricane defense.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 29, 2025 12:23 PM (ynpvh)
Part of the nuclear bomb hurricane defense.
Posted by: the way I see it at September 29, 2025 12:26 PM (EYmYM)
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Well, you can also get the Nickel metal hydride batteries too...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
Ooooohhh. Memory batteries.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
Ooooohhh. Memory batteries.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 29, 2025 12:27 PM (Q9Vcs)
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361 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 29, 2025 12:22 PM (GBKbO)
Welcome, TJM. You missed the spirited discussion of HOAs in the last thread.
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 12:24 PM (77rzZ)
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I saw it and avoided it.
Welcome, TJM. You missed the spirited discussion of HOAs in the last thread.
Posted by: Bulg at September 29, 2025 12:24 PM (77rzZ)
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I saw it and avoided it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 29, 2025 12:27 PM (GBKbO)
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345 Electric cars are toys, nothing more (right now). I think treating them as serious vehicles means you are not a serious person.
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That Tesla that was driven off a cliff on Hwy 1, 300ft to the bottom, with all 4 not only surviving but walking out of the hospital, next day after observation, changed my perspective on the Tesla.
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That Tesla that was driven off a cliff on Hwy 1, 300ft to the bottom, with all 4 not only surviving but walking out of the hospital, next day after observation, changed my perspective on the Tesla.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 29, 2025 12:28 PM (XH6Dk)
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I wonder if even they knew 100% that a nuclear bomb would break up a level 5 hurricane headed for the states that they would ever consider doing it.
Posted by: the way I see it at September 29, 2025 12:29 PM (EYmYM)
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Open thread up
Posted by: rickb223 at September 29, 2025 12:29 PM (Q9Vcs)
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Ah, efficiency! This epic rant was triggered by a tech bro's comment about H1b visas, but within it is so much how I feel about all of these tech things pushed on us: https://tinyurl.com/yy47pwn3 (h/t atc)
". . .We don't need a faster Javascript installer, or whatever exactly the hell it is you are making. We never even asked for one. We also don't need chatbots that can redraw the Mona Lisa in the style of Studio Gihbli and lie to us about Norse mythology and the Revolutionary War, or robotaxis that only serve twenty square blocks of San Fransisco.
What the hell has Silicon Valley actually built in the last ten years that benefits Americans? As far as I can see, your Ubers and Doordashes and Taskrabbits look like nothing more than a sad attempt by a bunch of overfunded manchildren to replace their mommies. . . "
Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2025 11:17 AM (GbwPZ)
I do love that quote and agree 100%
". . .We don't need a faster Javascript installer, or whatever exactly the hell it is you are making. We never even asked for one. We also don't need chatbots that can redraw the Mona Lisa in the style of Studio Gihbli and lie to us about Norse mythology and the Revolutionary War, or robotaxis that only serve twenty square blocks of San Fransisco.
What the hell has Silicon Valley actually built in the last ten years that benefits Americans? As far as I can see, your Ubers and Doordashes and Taskrabbits look like nothing more than a sad attempt by a bunch of overfunded manchildren to replace their mommies. . . "
Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2025 11:17 AM (GbwPZ)
I do love that quote and agree 100%
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at September 29, 2025 12:30 PM (xcxpd)
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Buddhaha: Unliike the EV super fanboys who decided that EVs are so wonderful that government had to not only subsidize them, but also ban me from buying anything but an EV, I am not trying to get government to ban your precious EV. But I am trying to persuade consumers to use the power of their pocketbook to make EVs unprofitable for the idiot auto executives who bought into the eco-communist EV hype. Enjoy your EV. But please stop trying to force your lithium ordnance vehicle on the rest of us.
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at September 29, 2025 12:32 PM (1kw7F)
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Perhaps Toyota can name one of its hectoring plug-in hybrids the "Toyota AWFL."
Not one of You People suggested "Greta"?
Not one of You People suggested "Greta"?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 29, 2025 12:33 PM (ULPxl)
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294 This blonde with a nice smile thinks an EV sports car would be fun:
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (B2vkr)
Not as much as you might think. -- Richard Hammond
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2025 12:12 PM (ExV1e)
Would test drive the blonde, but only as a lease option.
http://tiny.cc/z77t001
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:55 AM (B2vkr)
Not as much as you might think. -- Richard Hammond
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 29, 2025 12:12 PM (ExV1e)
Would test drive the blonde, but only as a lease option.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at September 29, 2025 12:33 PM (xcxpd)
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I think she will be highly effective.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 12:18 PM
I hope so. You need to have a heart of iron for politics. Not many women do.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 29, 2025 12:19 PM
Yeah, I question this assumption she will be effective. What qualifications does she have for politics other than she is the widow of Charlie Kirk? Was she involved in TPUSA as a political operative at all? Serious questions. I know nothing of her background other than she was Charlie Kirk's wife and a former beauty pageant winner.
Looking up Grok... she began in the entertainment industry as a model, actress, and casting director. She has founded several faith-based initiatives. She also worked as a real estate agent and in 2011 she established the nonprofit "Romanian Angels," which coordinated with NATO and U.S. troops for charity work in Romania.
She seems like she could be a good spokesperson for the movement, but not sure she picks up the baton from all the work that Charlie Kirk had been doing. We'll see.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at September 29, 2025 12:18 PM
I hope so. You need to have a heart of iron for politics. Not many women do.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 29, 2025 12:19 PM
Yeah, I question this assumption she will be effective. What qualifications does she have for politics other than she is the widow of Charlie Kirk? Was she involved in TPUSA as a political operative at all? Serious questions. I know nothing of her background other than she was Charlie Kirk's wife and a former beauty pageant winner.
Looking up Grok... she began in the entertainment industry as a model, actress, and casting director. She has founded several faith-based initiatives. She also worked as a real estate agent and in 2011 she established the nonprofit "Romanian Angels," which coordinated with NATO and U.S. troops for charity work in Romania.
She seems like she could be a good spokesperson for the movement, but not sure she picks up the baton from all the work that Charlie Kirk had been doing. We'll see.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 29, 2025 12:38 PM (P5BPp)
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You’re not a car guy, I can tell….
I used to buy Lexus RX-350 with a somewhat powerful V-6, reliable engine.
Then It happened, we finally needed a new Lexus and what is my choice? CAFE standards dictate a little 4 cylinder, forced to stand on its tiptoes with twine turbos and no reliability.
So I punted and bought a 600 horsepower Tesla, that can stay with a vette up to 125 mph and is reliable. Did I mention it’s fast, hit the go pedal to merge onto I-75 in Florida and those grumpy drivers don’t stand a chance. F those CAFE shitboxes…
I used to buy Lexus RX-350 with a somewhat powerful V-6, reliable engine.
Then It happened, we finally needed a new Lexus and what is my choice? CAFE standards dictate a little 4 cylinder, forced to stand on its tiptoes with twine turbos and no reliability.
So I punted and bought a 600 horsepower Tesla, that can stay with a vette up to 125 mph and is reliable. Did I mention it’s fast, hit the go pedal to merge onto I-75 in Florida and those grumpy drivers don’t stand a chance. F those CAFE shitboxes…
Posted by: Noovuss at September 29, 2025 12:42 PM (mJ7gT)
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379 You’re not a car guy, I can tell….
I used to buy Lexus RX-350 with a somewhat powerful V-6, reliable engine.
Then It happened, we finally needed a new Lexus and what is my choice? CAFE standards dictate a little 4 cylinder, forced to stand on its tiptoes with twine turbos and no reliability.
So I punted and bought a 600 horsepower Tesla, that can stay with a vette up to 125 mph and is reliable. Did I mention it’s fast, hit the go pedal to merge onto I-75 in Florida and those grumpy drivers don’t stand a chance. F those CAFE shitboxes…
Posted by: Noovuss at September 29, 2025 12:42 PM (mJ7gT)
Yep. Cue the EV apologists/propagandists.
Did I mention good luck finding a charger where I live?
I used to buy Lexus RX-350 with a somewhat powerful V-6, reliable engine.
Then It happened, we finally needed a new Lexus and what is my choice? CAFE standards dictate a little 4 cylinder, forced to stand on its tiptoes with twine turbos and no reliability.
So I punted and bought a 600 horsepower Tesla, that can stay with a vette up to 125 mph and is reliable. Did I mention it’s fast, hit the go pedal to merge onto I-75 in Florida and those grumpy drivers don’t stand a chance. F those CAFE shitboxes…
Posted by: Noovuss at September 29, 2025 12:42 PM (mJ7gT)
Yep. Cue the EV apologists/propagandists.
Did I mention good luck finding a charger where I live?
Posted by: Cow Demon at September 29, 2025 01:14 PM (EL2O4)
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This simply not true. My brother has a Prius plug-in hybrid and it works very well for him. He works from home and finds that his travel around Simi Valley and nearby rarely engages the gas engine. He puts in gas as rarely as once a month, depending on how far he ranged from home that month.
That is for his specific circumstances. It wouldn't work out for me because I don't have a situation making it easy to have a charging setup at home. You mileage may vary.
That is for his specific circumstances. It wouldn't work out for me because I don't have a situation making it easy to have a charging setup at home. You mileage may vary.
Posted by: Epobirs at September 29, 2025 01:16 PM (/0z9K)
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"A relative of mine had a Tesla and was constantly running late because she “forgot” to charge her car...."
Sure. I had a GF that always "forgot" to charge her phone and that was the reason she kept missing calls or forgot to call back. Luckily I was out of my "nice guy" phase and move on.
People who do not value other people time will always find an excuse to justify why they are late. I believe you know that (or should). Finally, plugging in an EV literally takes seconds. It takes significantly less time than flushing your teeth and millions of drivers in the USA alone can attest to that.
I can't understand why you insist on trashing your reputation by arguing that something that millions of people are doing every day is "not practical".
Sure. I had a GF that always "forgot" to charge her phone and that was the reason she kept missing calls or forgot to call back. Luckily I was out of my "nice guy" phase and move on.
People who do not value other people time will always find an excuse to justify why they are late. I believe you know that (or should). Finally, plugging in an EV literally takes seconds. It takes significantly less time than flushing your teeth and millions of drivers in the USA alone can attest to that.
I can't understand why you insist on trashing your reputation by arguing that something that millions of people are doing every day is "not practical".
Posted by: DominicanVoices at September 29, 2025 02:00 PM (9IJFs)
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Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 29, 2025 11:18 AM (B2vkr)
""When one travels" is one of those use cases for which an EV is just the wrong fit. They are in-town (or at most, near-town) cars. If you need to drive real distance, they're not the right choice."
Do you travel out of state? If so, are you telling me that you have never seen an EV on the road? You have never seen them at rest stops? And one final question, have you seen an EV stuck on the side of the road? I'm willing to bet that none of the cars that you see stuck on the side of the road (for whatever reason) is an ICE vehicle. Prove me wrong.
""When one travels" is one of those use cases for which an EV is just the wrong fit. They are in-town (or at most, near-town) cars. If you need to drive real distance, they're not the right choice."
Do you travel out of state? If so, are you telling me that you have never seen an EV on the road? You have never seen them at rest stops? And one final question, have you seen an EV stuck on the side of the road? I'm willing to bet that none of the cars that you see stuck on the side of the road (for whatever reason) is an ICE vehicle. Prove me wrong.
Posted by: DominicanVoices at September 29, 2025 02:18 PM (9IJFs)
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Posted by: 18-1 at September 29, 2025 11:37 AM (sKqQm)
"But...there is a reason for that, the intent with EVs isn't to replace everyone's ICE car. The intent is to remove as many cars from the road as possible and force plebes into public transit"
If I was a dictator that wanted to force you to use public transit, it would be easier for me to targe drivers of ICE vehicles. I just had to close all refineries and destroy the pipelines. If you drive an EV, anything that produce electricity is a fuel source. Prove me wrong.
"But...there is a reason for that, the intent with EVs isn't to replace everyone's ICE car. The intent is to remove as many cars from the road as possible and force plebes into public transit"
If I was a dictator that wanted to force you to use public transit, it would be easier for me to targe drivers of ICE vehicles. I just had to close all refineries and destroy the pipelines. If you drive an EV, anything that produce electricity is a fuel source. Prove me wrong.
Posted by: DominicanVoices at September 29, 2025 02:30 PM (9IJFs)
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.seem.to be determined to remove that option from the marketplace, and therefore from me.
The point was not that they don't work for anybody, but that they don't seem to work for the majority of people
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Because they don't work for the majority is no reason to get rid of them. Let the market decide, not Buck's prejudices.
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Do you want to ban 4wds? There's always a shithead who ADs his EBR. Are you going to throw in with Handgun Control, Inc?
Nice strawman.
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Retake Phil 101, especially the part on argumentation.
Not a strawman, an analogy.
To spell it out, the fact that other people misuse an object is no reason to remove it from either me or other people not misusing it.
To add other points that wouldn't fit in one post:
No one, especially me, could be a status seeking, virtue signalling ass with my car, since there are NO steeenking PHEV batges on it. Unless you know that the half inch high, 3 inch long "X line" on the rear liftgate indicates a plugin, there's no indication that it is.
The economics are even better than the 5.7 vs 9.9¢ "fuel" cost. Add in maintenance saved and that I have 9 kW of solar, and I'm going to break even in < 4 years.
The point was not that they don't work for anybody, but that they don't seem to work for the majority of people
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Because they don't work for the majority is no reason to get rid of them. Let the market decide, not Buck's prejudices.
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Do you want to ban 4wds? There's always a shithead who ADs his EBR. Are you going to throw in with Handgun Control, Inc?
Nice strawman.
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Retake Phil 101, especially the part on argumentation.
Not a strawman, an analogy.
To spell it out, the fact that other people misuse an object is no reason to remove it from either me or other people not misusing it.
To add other points that wouldn't fit in one post:
No one, especially me, could be a status seeking, virtue signalling ass with my car, since there are NO steeenking PHEV batges on it. Unless you know that the half inch high, 3 inch long "X line" on the rear liftgate indicates a plugin, there's no indication that it is.
The economics are even better than the 5.7 vs 9.9¢ "fuel" cost. Add in maintenance saved and that I have 9 kW of solar, and I'm going to break even in < 4 years.
Posted by: buddhaha at September 29, 2025 02:49 PM (KwlWd)
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So my wife and I are in the minority as we have a Pacifica plug in and we use it as intended. Virtually every trip she makes is less than 30 miles round trip. So she can do that on battery. Compared to the pilot we had we've saved a crap ton of money compared to the $2 it costs to recharge the battery. We have a level 2 charger so it's only 2 hours.
Posted by: Silentbrick at September 29, 2025 03:00 PM (5LOh9)
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I knew 2 people who had these. One worked for Ford, and could plug it in at work, so he said he went for 2-3 months without using any gas. The other worked for GM and once got caught out in the rain after dark cuz her battery ran down and she didn't stop for gas in time. TBF, she had a better rack than the guy.
Posted by: right wing whackjob at September 29, 2025 03:34 PM (7Ynpq)
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