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Gardening, Home and Nature Thread, Sept. 27

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Long time lurker and megafan of the site.
Here's our nonfunctioning fireplace we filled with various gourds and pumpkins from several years ago. "May the pumpkin spice be with you!"

xoxo
The Pumpkin-nator

Gorgeous!

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Happy Fall K.T.!

Not my container garden, but it was so pretty I had to stop and take a photo! The essence of autumn (JMHO): purple mini-mums, campfire-colored coleus, orange calibrachoa, creeping jenny; even a little ornamental kale.

The perfect complement for the beautiful fall weather we've had lately.

The Pilot

Happy Fall!

Happy Fall to All! We are now into the Fall Colors Season. And below, a photo featuring a new plant for next year, Sweet Caroline sweet potato vine 'Medusa Black". I guess you might carry this one over for Halloween! Courtesy Kim Mixon.

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Are you planning a trip to see fall leaves this year? Where?

Maybe in Florida?

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Edible Gardening/Putting Things By

Sadly, we're in the runoff zone for our neighbors' pond, and with lots of rain this year, some of our plants weren't very happy. The half of this medlar tree on the downhill side must have had its roots die, but the main (uphill) section still looks good. Remaining fruit is huge and seems fine.

The quince trees are loaded with large fruit, which should continue to grow a bit more. They grow on the ends of new branches, so they often overload them and hang down quite a bit.

We still have a ton of wild grapes on the vine. Seedy and more tart than sweet, as you'd expect.

I make plenty of noise walking on the local trails,
but a few deer didn't clear out before I rounded the corner. In fact, the mother (I assume) stamped her foot a few times and stepped towards me, so I chose a different path...

Moron Analyst/Intrepid/Ackbar

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Sorry about the problem with the Medlar tree. Glad you got some other fruit!


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Saffron Crocus

Marie-Reine Demollière

ENLUMINURES EUROPE - VIe - XVIe s. - ILLUMINATED MANUSCRIPTS EUROPE

Saffron, originating from the Orient, has been cultivated for a long time and recommended by Hippocrates for its stimulating and antispasmodic virtues. In the days of triumph, the Romans sprinkled saffron powder in the streets and party halls. Isidore of Seville ( Ét 636) describes saffron (Crocus sativus) in his Etymologies.
Used to dye fabrics, its bright yellow can also be found in medieval lighting or on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.
A saffron plant (Zaffarano) painted in its natural habitat by Gherardo Cibo in a botanical watercolour notebook circa 1564.
In the background, in a mountainous landscape, two peasants kneeling with their basket are picking the precious flower.
In this manuscript, Cibo also collects texts from the Discorsi of the Siennese physician Pietro Mattioli ( Dans 1577).
London, British Library, ms Additional 22332, f°160r, 26.5 × 19.5 cm

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Le safran, originaire d’Orient, est cultivé de longue date et recommandé par Hippocrate pour ses vertus stimulantes et antispasmodiques. Les jours de triomphe, les Romains jonchaient de poudre de safran les rues et les salles de fête. Isidore de Séville († 636) décrit le safran (Crocus sativus) dans ses Étymologies.
Utilisé pour teindre les étoffes, on trouve aussi son jaune lumineux dans les enluminures médiévales ou sur le plafond de la Chapelle Sixtine.
Dans un cahier d’aquarelles botaniques, un plant de safran (Zaffarano) est peint dans son milieu naturel par Gherardo Cibo vers 1564.
À l’arrière-plan, dans un paysage montagneux, deux paysannes à genoux avec leur panier cueillent la précieuse fleur.
Dans ce manuscrit, Cibo rassemble aussi des textes tirés des Discorsi du médecin siennois Pietro Mattioli († 1577).
Londres, British Library, ms Additional 22332, f° 160r, 26,5 × 19,5 cm

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You may be able to grow the world's most expensive spice in your yard if you live in Zone 6 or above. They bloom about this time of year. You may want to plant the bulbs in a wire basket to deter burrowing rodents.

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You might also consider Autumn Crocuses. To avoid being poisoned, remember that toxic Autumn Crocuses have 6 stigmas, while true crocuses have 3. Here's one blooming before it got put into the ground. This is a garden cultivar called The Giant. Sometimes they are sold like this, for people to set on the windowsill to bloom without any potting mix or anything. But many of them are hardy to Zone 5 in the garden, and generally more pest-resistant than true crocuses, some of which also bloom in fall. That's because they contain colchicine.

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While you're planting fall-blooming bulbs, maybe you can plant, or map out, some spring-blooming ones, too. Got any in mind?

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As mentioned above, the Autumn Crocuses are famous as sources of Colchicine (poisonous, but it has its uses). The famous use of colchicine in botany is to induce polyploidy:

. . . colchicine is also used for inducing polyploidy in plant cells during cellular division by inhibiting chromosome segregation during meiosis; half the resulting gametes, therefore, contain no chromosomes, while the other half contains double the usual number of chromosomes . . . and lead to embryos with double the usual number of chromosomes (i.e., tetraploid instead of diploid). While this would be fatal in most higher animal cells, in plant cells it is not only usually well tolerated, but also frequently results in larger, hardier, faster-growing, and in general more desirable plants than the normally diploid parents; for this reason, this type of genetic manipulation is frequently used in breeding plants commercially.

When such a tetraploid plant is crossed with a diploid plant, the triploid offspring are usually sterile (unable to produce fertile seeds or spores), although many triploids can be propagated vegetatively. Growers of annual triploid plants not readily propagated must buy fresh seed from a supplier each year. Many sterile triploid plants, including some tree and shrubs, are becoming increasingly valued in horticulture and landscaping because they do not become invasive species. In certain species, colchicine-induced triploidy has been used to create "seedless" fruit, such as seedless watermelons (Citrullus lanatus). Since most triploids do not produce pollen themselves, such plants usually require cross-pollination with a diploid parent to induce fruit production.

You just might be able to create your own tetraploid plant at home. Might want to leave breeding the triploids to the professionals. Not that you can't grow some triploid plants in your yard. Had good luck with seedless watermelon? Ever grown orange watermelon?

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Triploid Watermelon 'Orange Crisp'

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Gardens of The Horde


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Good evening, Katy!

Our ‘Sweet Autumn Clematis’ went into full bloom this year as it always does on September 15th, bigger than ever – the two ‘arms’ now measure 33 feet end-to-end!

We think it’s 13 years old; it was a tiny thing in a shady spot on our property when we moved in 11 years ago, so we moved it to a sunnier spot. But then it started to take over a very nice Japanese Maple tree, so we moved it to this perfect south-facing spot where it is now, maybe 6 years ago (?). Anyway, we give it lots of 24-8-16 fertilizer in the spring and early summer, then 2 doses of 15-30-15 and a final dose of 10-60-10 starting in August.

The view from the sidewalk is much, much better this year, too. We get a lot of foot traffic past our corner down to the park at the end of the block; lots of dog walkers and of parents with carriages or toddlers.

Hope you're continuing to recover okay -

MrJimm

Thanks so much! Love the cultural particulars. What wonderful growth you have encouraged!

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Hope everyone has a nice weekend.


If you would like to send photos, stories, links, etc. for the Saturday Gardening Thread, the address is:

ktinthegarden at g mail dot com

Remember to include the nic or name by which you wish to be known at AoSHQ, or let us know if you want to remain a lurker.

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Week in Review

What has changed since last week's thread? Gardening, Home and Nature Thread, Sept. 20

Any thoughts or questions?

I closed the comments on this post so you wouldn't get banned for commenting on a week-old post, but don't try it anyway.


Posted by: K.T. at 01:36 PM




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1 Good afternoon Greenthumbs

Posted by: Skip at September 27, 2025 01:39 PM (+qU29)

2 Soon enough will need to clean out my compost bin for tje new crop of leaves. Last year will.go under a plastic sheet to sit another year.

Posted by: Skip at September 27, 2025 01:41 PM (+qU29)

3 I had a beautiful black potato vine trailing down the front of my front urn, with a bright orange colius and black and orange pansies. They were apparently delicious, and I hope the deer and/or groundhogs enjoyed them.

Off to pick hot peppers for a Korean stew. Later, green thumbs.

Posted by: All Hail Eris,, coming to you live from the Roller Disco of Discord! at September 27, 2025 01:41 PM (kpS4V)

4 All Hail Eris,, coming to you live from the Roller Disco of Discord! at September 27, 2025 01:41 PM

Well, the sweet potato vines and pansies are edible by people, too. Not sure about the coleus.

Posted by: KT at September 27, 2025 01:57 PM (7vIsy)

5 Nice gourds, lady.

Posted by: GWB at September 27, 2025 01:59 PM (Dvcu+)

6 OMG!! That top photo is gorgeous. Even when I have nothing to contribute to the thread, the photos and information is great.

Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2025 02:01 PM (yTvNw)

7 Thank you for the posting on the saffron crocus. I've grown them in years past, until all the stooping and plucking of the saffron threads with a tweezer became too much for my aging knees and back.

Recently, my wife and I visited the Pendarvis historic site in Mineral Point, Wisconsin, which was home to a colony of Cornish miners (hence the town's name). One thing we learned is that Cornish cuisine uses a lot of saffron. It seems that in Ye Olden Tymes, Cornwall was one of the few sources of tin, needed to make bronze, and traders voyaged there for it from around the Mediterranean, some of whom apparently brought saffron with them. The conditions in Cornwall are well suited to growing the saffron crocus, so it's been cultivated there ever since. Who knew? My wife recently made a batch of Cornish saffron and current buns, which were delicious.

Posted by: Nemo at September 27, 2025 02:09 PM (4RPgu)

8 My beautiful friends from across the street gave me a big bowl of the tiny tomatoes that grew in their garden.

I'm not sure if they harvested the pumpkins yet. There were about 20.

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at September 27, 2025 02:10 PM (Sco7b)

9 Here in the Bluegrass, it's Hummingbird season. They're on their way to points south... some go as far as Panama and may fly across the Gulf of America to get there. Our feeder has been a beehive of activity. They'll stick around, feed, and when the think the time is right, they'll head south. Probably by mid-October.

They're sort of used to us and stick around even when we're out on the porch where the feeder is.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 27, 2025 02:11 PM (Q4IgG)

10 The predictions for autumn color in the Blue Ridge are all over the place. They are usually optimistic but the odd periods of too much rain and a lot of drought make it a wait and see situation. Here's hoping. The best fall color we ever saw in Virginia was actually on our honeymoon back in 1983. We regarded that as a good omen.

Posted by: JTB at September 27, 2025 02:13 PM (yTvNw)

11 My pear tree refuses to flower any more. It flowered in its third year (but no fruit!) and since (now its fifth year), no flowers. The tree looks healthy and I feed it fruit tree spikes. Do I need a second tree for cross pollination?

Posted by: Brunnhilde at September 27, 2025 02:14 PM (3AwA+)

12 Bumper crop of Goatheads starting right now. Just noticed the pink and, this year, yellow flowers. A benifit of having pet deer. I have a lot of yard to go over with a flathead shovel or I'll have even more next spring.
I envy you who live where pretty things will grow. Everything natural here is ugly and spikey.

Posted by: Reforger at September 27, 2025 02:15 PM (oFukc)

13 Durr.. *benefit.

Posted by: Reforger at September 27, 2025 02:23 PM (oFukc)

14 Satsumas are weird this year! Normally November is their time, but I just got the 3rd batch from my neighbor. They are green on the outside but really sweet and juicy on the inside. It’s bizarre.

Posted by: Piper at September 27, 2025 02:27 PM (OoFl2)

15 What has changed since last week's thread? Gardening, Home and Nature Thread, Sept. 20
The grass has grown a foot.!I just had ice cream, so a nap comes before the grass.

Posted by: Eromero at September 27, 2025 02:39 PM (LHPAg)

16 Re: the photo of the new black sweet potato vine -- the bright green lizard on the red banana leaf plant is kind of upstaging the the photo of the new plant.
KT - Thanks for all the useful information and also for including the botanical illustration.

Posted by: The Pilot at September 27, 2025 02:46 PM (M+4Y9)

17 I got a small jar of saffron in my last Azure order. Wasn't charged for it and didn't order it. Will have to try and use it in something.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 27, 2025 02:53 PM (kUxzU)

18 I'm curious what you do with Quince fruit. All I know is that you pay special attention to not consuming any seeds (the whole cyanide thing). The only other thing I know about Quince trees is that many seem to believe that was the "forbidden fruit" in Eden. I've never tried to grow them, and have never seen any.

Posted by: Orson at September 27, 2025 03:06 PM (dIske)

19 I don't think I know what a Quince is, looks like or tastes like

Posted by: Skip at September 27, 2025 03:15 PM (+qU29)

20 Do I need a second tree for cross pollination?

And $20.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at September 27, 2025 03:19 PM (/EMWh)

21 Same as in town??

Posted by: Brunnhilde at September 27, 2025 03:20 PM (3AwA+)

22 My favorite fall item has always been the Osage Orange. Just don't stand under one of those trees if the wind picks up.

Posted by: Orson at September 27, 2025 03:24 PM (dIske)

23 Gardening this year consisted of letting the neighbor's goats and ponies gnaw down the weeds in the garden area down to bare dirt. I'll chase the beasts out, shut the gate, and run the rototiller around for a while.

I'll plant a big garden in next year! With tomatoes and corn and Giant Stinkmelon trees!

(Narrator: He did not plant a big garden the next year.)

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at September 27, 2025 03:29 PM (wLsnt)

24 You have to cook quince. I saw a few trees locally and the produce store carried them, where I used to live, Beautiful pink color when baked, sort of a jelly like consistency.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 27, 2025 03:34 PM (kUxzU)

25 I don't think I know what a Quince is, looks like or tastes like
Posted by: Skip at September 27, 2025 03:15 PM (+qU29)

A quince looks like a cross between a pear and an apple. The sole example I plucked from a tree was incredibly sour.

I've been told you can make jelly out of them. I assume you puree them, load them up with sugar, cook them into jelly, and then make lots of little jars of jelly that you give away to people who will politely thank you then throw it away.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at September 27, 2025 03:38 PM (wLsnt)

26 NO PET THREAD NO PEACE!!!

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at September 27, 2025 03:43 PM (PdEg9)

27 Definitely none grew in walking distance in my town

Posted by: Skip at September 27, 2025 03:46 PM (+qU29)

28 I've been told you can make jelly out of them.

That was one of their original primary purposes. They are loaded with pectin, so most orchards had a few to provide pectin to make jelly. The fruit is pretty hard, kind of dry, and sour tasting, but has a wonderful, strong fragrance. So, it's often added to pies for a little unique flavoring. They're also sometimes poached, like pears, to eat. They're sometime sliced very thinly and served with charcuterie boards.

They're added to rakia, the brandy-equivalent of the Balkans, and I find that use delicious!

There's also a Portuguese dish called membrillo, which is like a fruit leather loaf made of sweetened quince.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at September 27, 2025 04:01 PM (MhmGf)

29 "I'm curious what you do with Quince fruit. All I know is that you pay special attention to not consuming any seeds (the whole cyanide thing). The only other thing I know about Quince trees is that many seem to believe that was the "forbidden fruit" in Eden. I've never tried to grow them, and have never seen any."

They are closely related to pears and most varieties are so firm that they can only be eaten raw by slicing very thinly. They tend to be sour. They are often mixed with other fruits like pears or apples in cobblers or pies, adding an interesting flavor. They are also used in jams and jellies. They keep well.

The trees usually don't grow too tall, and seedlings are sometimes used as rootstocks for pears. Like pears and apples, they are susceptible to fireblight.

Some ornamental flowering quince (a different species) are also use for food.

Posted by: KT at September 27, 2025 04:01 PM (7vIsy)

30 From Boise area: lows 50-66 F, highs 73-84. We've canned up 13 pints of Cortland applesauce (pink!) - about to make 7 pints more this afternoon. We pressed some Seckel pears for juice and froze that - also pressed and froze some Cortland apple juice (not pink). Still picking paste and slicing tomatoes, and green beans. I pulled out the last radishes, and am slowly removing the pole bean plants killed by bean rust.

At our neighbors' house, we took some red raspberries, a stem of basil for me to dry, 2 paste tomatoes, and a banana pepper to taste. I tasted the grapes but will have to keep waiting for them to get a bit sweeter.

We started power-washing the house last Sat., and plan to do more of the house tomorrow. We plan to burn the fall burn pile, sometime after the rain due this coming Monday.

And we're planning to invite a youth group over in October, to pick apples, and learn how cider is made. They'll get to take apples and some cider home, we get free labor - a win-win situation.

Posted by: Pat* at September 27, 2025 04:07 PM (Ac/bm)

31 The trees usually don't grow too tall, and seedlings are sometimes used as rootstocks for pears. Like pears and apples, they are susceptible to fireblight.

I didn't have issues with it before, but this year was wet, and I had fireblight issues on all my quince trees. Tried to be proactive and trim often and early, and seemed to work pretty well.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at September 27, 2025 04:12 PM (MhmGf)

32 Thanks for the gardening thread. The fireplace arrangement is gorgeous, as is the container garden.

I will miss the fiery-red and golden hues of my maple, but not its leaves. The front yard already needs raking.

I have daffodils and garlic to plant. Am removing the rocks from the front rock garden, where the crocuses are. Why did builders in the '90s insist on putting white rocks in all the flower beds? I had to quit before the bucket was even full!

Posted by: NaughtyPine at September 27, 2025 04:27 PM (6PFRb)

33 I have reached a sad point in the fall, I am now out of shelf space for canned fruit, and I have filled all my storage jugs with dried fruit.

I was having trouble with my pears molding in the fruit dryer, so I tried sulfuring them, by burning elemental sulfur powder with a bit of salt peter in the dryer. This keeps the fruit from browning as it dries, and apparently also kills the mold spores

Posted by: Kindltot at September 27, 2025 05:23 PM (rbvCR)

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