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Communist Deep Staters Are Angry That Trump Has Reverted the "Department of War" Back to Its Original Name
The name of the Department was changed, probably by liberals, for PR reasons.
If "Department of War" was good enough for the founding fathers, it should be good enough for us.
Pentagon officials grappled Friday with the Herculean task of fulfilling President Donald Trump's executive order to remold the enormous, global agency into the Department of War. Many expressed frustration, anger and downright confusion at the effort, which could cost billions of dollars for a cosmetic change that would do little to tackle the military's most pressing challenges -- such as countering a more aggressive alliance of authoritarian nations. The details of the order Trump signed Friday are still vague, but officials may need to change Defense Department seals on more than 700,000 facilities in 40 countries and all 50 states. This includes everything from letterhead for six military branches and dozens more agencies down to embossed napkins in chow halls, embroidered jackets for Senate-confirmed officials and the keychains and tchotchkes in the Pentagon store. "This is purely for domestic political audiences," said a former defense official. "Not only will this cost millions of dollars, it will have absolutely zero impact on Chinese or Russian calculations. Worse, it will be used by our enemies to portray the United States as warmongering and a threat to international stability." This article is based on interviews with more than half a dozen current and former defense officials, many of whom have insight into the broader sentiment in the department. The people were granted anonymity to discuss a sensitive issue.How many of them supported the "51 Intelligence Officials" letter? Did you ask them, Politico?
Seems like you could make this change pretty easily. Just start ordering new... letterhead. Use the old paper until it runs out. So, for a brief period we'll have letters on both Department of Defense and Department of War letterhead. Seems like people will figure it out. As far as names on bases-- they're periodically changed. Just change them to "Department of War" as they're due to be repainted. In fact, that's exactly what Trump has ordered. The official announcement:
POLITICO reported Thursday that the Trump administration planned to change the Defense Department's name to the Department of War to present a more aggressive image of its military to the world. "We won World War I, we won World War II, we won everything before that and in between, and then we decided to go woke, and we changed the name to DOD. So, we're going Department of War," Trump said at an Oval Office press conference on Friday announcing the move. A formal name change would likely require an act of Congress, although a person familiar with the deliberations said the White House was looking for ways to avoid a congressional vote. ... A Defense Department official, who asked to be referred to as a "War Department" official, said the costs of the move are expected to fluctuate as it is implemented. That didn't assuage some employees. "I see there being a million small headaches and annoyances if this actually happens," said a defense official. "It'll eat up time and effort." A War Department existed from U.S. independence until 1947, when the Truman administration split the Army and Air Force into separate military branches and joined them with the then-independent Navy to form a new agency. An act of Congress two years later coined it the Department of Defense. "We know how to rebrand without having to go crazy," Trump said Friday in response to questions about the potential cost of the move. The president said he was unsure whether he needed congressional approval for the name change, but would press ahead.
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Purpose. On August 7, 1789, 236 years ago, President George Washington signed into law a bill establishing the United States Department of War to oversee the operation and maintenance of military and naval affairs. It was under this name that the Department of War, along with the later formed Department of the Navy, won the War of 1812, World War I, and World War II, inspiring awe and confidence in our Nation's military, and ensuring freedom and prosperity for all Americans. The Founders chose this name to signal our strength and resolve to the world. The name "Department of War," more than the current "Department of Defense," ensures peace through strength, as it demonstrates our ability and willingness to fight and win wars on behalf of our Nation at a moment's notice, not just to defend. This name sharpens the Department's focus on our own national interest and our adversaries' focus on our willingness and availability to wage war to secure what is ours. I have therefore determined that this Department should once again be known as the Department of War and the Secretary should be known as the Secretary of War. Sec. 2. Implementation. (a) The Secretary of Defense is authorized the use of this additional secondary title -- the Secretary of War -- and may be recognized by that title in official correspondence, public communications, ceremonial contexts, and non-statutory documents within the executive branch. (b) The Department of Defense and the Office of the Secretary of Defense may be referred to as the Department of War and the Office of the Secretary of War, respectively, in the contexts described in subsection (a) of this section.So "Department of War" is a secondary title, secondary but official and acceptable, and there is no need to spend "billions" on... paper and paint. We will replace the signage and letterhead as we go. And once again, the lefties are shown to be liars and incompetents. They didn't even bother taking the one minute needed to read the proclamation. It's unbelievable how the same liberals who supported $100 billion in Bidenbucks being spent on Transgender Jazz Therapy in Lahore, Pakistan suddenly get so spending-conscience whenever we want to spend a few bucks on... new letterhead and some paint. I'm a history buff and an old-soul and someone who is convinced that the last eighty years of American history are marked by a Soviet, and then Woke Transnationalist World Ruling Class, subversion of our nation and demoralization of our people. I want the country reverted to its last known good configuration, as they say in IT. Is this symbolic? Mostly! But the initial change was also entirely symbolic and we didn't hear wet lefties complaining about it then. Symbols are important to people. And if the left views this as just another cultural counter-aggression by Trump and declaration that they are no longer in control and are now the hunted rather than the hunters. Do the transnational socialist World Government types now feel... demoralized? Made afraid by a government that now seems to target them rather than the citizens they have been targeting for decades? GOOD. GOOD, GOOD, GOOD! A thousand times, GOOD.
Because that's exactly what I voted for. Update: the left started renaming bases for BLM propaganda reasons and no one complained about the "billions" in costs.
Changing Fort Bragg's name was symbolic. Why did they even bother? It was just symbolic.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale
🚨 BREAKING: President Trump has just signed an executive order renaming the Dept of Defense to the Department of WAR
— Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) September 5, 2025
“We won the First World War, the Second World War… and then we went woke and changed the name to Dept of Defense”
“So we’re going DEPARTMENT OF WAR!”
🔥🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/l6cNEBOp3H
WE ARE THE WAR DEPARTMENT. pic.twitter.com/7hNb7zJLHc
— Department of War 🇺🇸 (@DeptofWar) September 5, 2025
🚨NEW: The Department of “DEFENSE” just DETRANSITIONED 🚨
— Jesse Watters (@JesseBWatters) September 6, 2025
It’s called the Department of “WAR” now— and we’re ALREADY on OFFENSE 🪖
8 U-S Navy Destroyers and 10 F-35S have been DEPLOYED to the Caribbean… to fight NARCO-TERRORISTS and COCAINE SPEED-BOATS 🔥
No more DRAG QUEENS… pic.twitter.com/xJYTmtSXsd
Me after learning I now work for the DEPARTMENT OF WAR: pic.twitter.com/w9MjLaV4LS
— Kristina Wong 🇺🇸 (@kristina_wong) September 6, 2025
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: morigu at September 08, 2025 04:00 PM (sHwUV)
Posted by: morigu at September 08, 2025 04:01 PM (sHwUV)
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Posted by: steevy at September 08, 2025 04:01 PM (YwEeS)
Posted by: Eeyore at September 08, 2025 04:01 PM (s0JqF)
Thank You for your attention to this matter
Posted by: Common Tater at September 08, 2025 04:02 PM (dpz3y)
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Changing Fort Bragg's name was symbolic.
Why did they even bother? It was just symbolic.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:02 PM (GBKbO)
Former CNN anchor Don Lemon was branded a “f–king moron” during a tense street confrontation with a passerby in New York City — a clash that quickly spiraled into a profanity-laced shouting match captured on video.
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 08, 2025 04:03 PM (NtVYv)
I do like watching liberals' assholes explode over this, though. Which I suspect was 90% of Trump's motivation. This is an epic troll.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 08, 2025 04:03 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: toby928 at September 08, 2025 04:03 PM (jc0TO)
No so much with Biden and Camela.
Posted by: fd at September 08, 2025 04:03 PM (vFG9F)
Posted by: CTHillary at September 08, 2025 04:03 PM (4rNBl)
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:04 PM (8avO+)
I don't think there's anything that would require the Navy to be under War.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at September 08, 2025 04:04 PM (a+4eV)
We could fire you. That'll free up enough money for some letterhead... which you buy every year, anyways!
Posted by: t-bird at September 08, 2025 04:04 PM (UYzXg)
Posted by: Corona_Exile at September 08, 2025 04:04 PM (UqsCH)
Excellent! So long as they fear us, and don’t fuck with us, I’m good with that.
Posted by: Common Tater at September 08, 2025 04:04 PM (dpz3y)
Posted by: A dude in MI at September 08, 2025 04:04 PM (/6GbT)
Posted by: Eeyore at September 08, 2025 04:01 PM (s0JqF)
Write to your congresscritter. Creating NEW executive departments is Congress' job.
Posted by: mrp at September 08, 2025 04:04 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: Donny two scoops at September 08, 2025 04:05 PM (Bb5K9)
Good enough for George fecking Washington.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 08, 2025 04:05 PM (ULPxl)
ARE YOU NOT BEING PAID?!? SUCK IT UP, BUTTERBALL.
Posted by: toby928 at September 08, 2025 04:05 PM (jc0TO)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 08, 2025 04:05 PM (63Dwl)
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I dunno. Renaming the Department of Defense to the Department of War sends a pretty powerful message all on its own to belligerent nations like Iran, Venezuela, and China.
"You wanna play rough? Bring it on!"
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 08, 2025 04:05 PM (7fElN)
Posted by: Corona_Exile at September 08, 2025 04:04 PM (UqsCH)
Too Catholic.
Posted by: Or do mean in the exclusive sense at September 08, 2025 04:05 PM (TbWk/)
Posted by: Lamont the Big HTML Dummy at September 08, 2025 04:05 PM (KRtlO)
But!....Defensive wars were not. So if some country illegally invaded another country, the other country could legally defend itself with...defensive war.
So they changed it from Department of War to Department of Defense.
Like I said, a bunch of bullshit.
I support the new/reverted name, Department of War.
Posted by: EFG at September 08, 2025 04:06 PM (G/8oh)
Posted by: wth at September 08, 2025 04:06 PM (UjdFS)
Why did they even bother? It was just symbolic.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:02 PM (GBKbO)
Considering that Bragg was bombed by one of his own men pre Civil War, and lost all but one of his battles and had his generals repeatedly try and get him fired, taking his name off anything modern might be a good idea.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:06 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: Lamont the Big HTML Dummy at September 08, 2025 04:05 PM (KRtlO)
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Senator Scott introduced legislation to officially change the name in the Senate, I know that, as well.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:06 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 08, 2025 04:05 PM (63Dwl)
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FIFY...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 08, 2025 04:06 PM (7fElN)
hm, good point. the DOD wasn't just a name-change, it was also part of reorganizing the Navy under the DOD.
Well, okay, we can have a Department of the Navy too.
Posted by: Lamont the Big HTML Dummy at September 08, 2025 04:06 PM (KRtlO)
Posted by: Wally at September 08, 2025 04:07 PM (7CamO)
There was no DOD before 1949. When unification happened, Navy and Air Force would have gone nuclear if the overall thing had been called the DOW. There was a “National Military Establishment” ‘47-‘49. That’s DOD prior name.
But hey, the Left gaslights, why not the Right?
Posted by: Baron bon Mot at September 08, 2025 04:07 PM (9NOPs)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr."
Department Of Deescalation
Posted by: Baseball dad at September 08, 2025 04:07 PM (vFG9F)
Posted by: pudinhead at September 08, 2025 04:07 PM (AdHga)
Posted by: toby928 at September 08, 2025 04:07 PM (jc0TO)
But!....Defensive wars were not. So if some country illegally invaded another country, the other country could legally defend itself with...defensive war.
So they changed it from Department of War to Department of Defense.
Like I said, a bunch of bullshit.
I support the new/reverted name, Department of War.
Posted by: EFG at September 08, 2025 04:06 PM (G/8oh)
Eh?
The UN is a bunch of worthless asshoes.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 08, 2025 04:08 PM (ULPxl)
Posted by: Lamont the Big HTML Dummy at September 08, 2025 04:06 PM (KRtlO)
Also the Department of Situational Homosexuality
Posted by: Not if you're underway at September 08, 2025 04:08 PM (TbWk/)
ARE YOU NOT BEING PAID?!? SUCK IT UP, BUTTERBALL.
Posted by: toby928 at September 08, 2025 04:05 PM (jc0TO)
Just have a squad of men cross out the letterhead and write WAR in permanent marker.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:08 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 08, 2025 04:08 PM (kkTda)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 08, 2025 04:08 PM (rvwwT)
Posted by: wth at September 08, 2025 04:06 PM (UjdFS)
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If you won't win one for me, at least win one for the Gipper!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 08, 2025 04:08 PM (7fElN)
Why did they even bother? It was just symbolic.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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I could see changing it solely because he was a rotten general.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at September 08, 2025 04:09 PM (XvL8K)
Good.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 08, 2025 04:08 PM (rvwwT)
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"We will fuck you up if you fuck with us," is a good reputation to have. Combine that with, "Trade is better than war," and you have a surprisingly comprehensive message.
"Trade with us. Just don't fuck with us."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:09 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: toby928 at September 08, 2025 04:07 PM (jc0TO)
***
"The Department of Fucking Your Shit All Up!"
"The Department of Killing People and Breaking Things."
Posted by: EFG at September 08, 2025 04:09 PM (G/8oh)
Posted by: It's me donna at September 08, 2025 04:09 PM (VE6XX)
Otherwise, the next Democratic President can just undo the new name.
Posted by: That Guy at September 08, 2025 04:09 PM (zlT2P)
139 Days
It's been 139 days since NPR broke the fake "scoop" that Secretary Hesgeth's firing is imminent. NPR's fake "sources" fake-told NPR the White House was already in search of a replacement.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:09 PM (T/Oi+)
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:06 PM (8avO+)
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You have forgotten the face of your father.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:10 PM (ZOv7s)
The next Dem president will name it back to Defense.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 08, 2025 04:05 PM (63Dwl)
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No, they'll name it Department of Domestic Tranquillity.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 08, 2025 04:10 PM (kkTda)
Posted by: Marcus T at September 08, 2025 04:10 PM (FO4SJ)
@Breaking911 1m
BREAKING: Nasdaq closes at record high, S&P 500 ends higher ahead of inflation data this week - CNBC
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 08, 2025 04:10 PM (mlg/3)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 08, 2025 04:10 PM (dfIr7)
Posted by: That Guy at September 08, 2025 04:09 PM
So, not the hill?
Posted by: toby928 at September 08, 2025 04:10 PM (jc0TO)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 08, 2025 04:10 PM (rvwwT)
I dunno. Did we really "win" in Korea? Yeah, I know that technically the clock is still stopped but it sure feels like we called it a draw and left the field.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2025 04:11 PM (3nLb4)
Posted by: toby928 at September 08, 2025 04:07 PM (jc0TO)
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"The Department of Fucking Your Shit All Up!"
"The Department of Killing People and Breaking Things."
Posted by: EFG at September 08, 2025 04:09 PM (G/8oh)
****
"The Department of You Talk Like a Fag and Your Shit's All Retarded."
Posted by: EFG at September 08, 2025 04:11 PM (G/8oh)
Otherwise, the next Democratic President can just undo the new name.
eh. I don't want everyone to start essing eachother dee's just yet, but... I don't really think the Dems will win in 2028 or 2032.
Posted by: Lamont the Big HTML Dummy at September 08, 2025 04:11 PM (KRtlO)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 08, 2025 04:11 PM (Ve63F)
Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 08, 2025 04:11 PM (Dv3i1)
LOL, I love these terms the internet cool kids come up with.
"1HP" means Low Energy, low effort.
and "1IQ" means, obviously, low brain power.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:11 PM (T/Oi+)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 08, 2025 04:11 PM (kkTda)
Posted by: That Guy at September 08, 2025 04:09 PM
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https://is.gd/CNIo8O
Sens. Rick Scott, Mike Lee Lead Department of War Restoration Act
I mean...there is work on that front.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:11 PM (GBKbO)
Of course letterhead is entirely electronic, so no one is throwing out stationary, even if it made into statute.
I also don't recall Democrats whining about the cost of changing base names, tearing down monuments and making combat uniforms for pregnant women.
And of course the billions Biden just threw overboard during lame duck. Such fiscal responsibility.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:12 PM (ZOv7s)
We, as a society, have been emasculated. Figuratively, our balls have been cut off removing the source of testosterone and our ability to reproduce.
Hegseth and Trump understand this -- to survive we need to restore our will to fight for our own survival.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at September 08, 2025 04:12 PM (znQKd)
So, "Navy" doesn't count? Ohhh, things could get sporty 'round here. .
Posted by: man at September 08, 2025 04:12 PM (tubbA)
Posted by: Baron bon Mot at September 08, 2025 04:07 PM (9NOPs)
Way to miss the point retard.
https://shorturl.at/Ml8Xt
https://shorturl.at/Xqll5
"This article is about the historical agency (1789-1947)"
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 08, 2025 04:12 PM (ULPxl)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:12 PM (T/Oi+)
Posted by: Lamont the Big HTML Dummy at September 08, 2025 04:11 PM (KRtlO)
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I'm very curious if they can still win having their fundraising nuts cut off by the fed grant machine being slowed to a crawl.
See the news that $5 billion in fraud was uncovered in MI alone?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:12 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Ass Man at September 08, 2025 04:13 PM (UsFP+)
Posted by: Corona_Exile at September 08, 2025 04:04 PM (UqsCH)
Too Catholic.
Posted by: Or do mean in the exclusive sense at September 08, 2025 04:05 PM (TbWk/)
Rome was big on Just Wars long before the Catholics were around.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:13 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: Lamont the Big HTML Dummy at September 08, 2025 04:13 PM (KRtlO)
For instance, "last Monday, Ace was 1HP."
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:12 PM (T/Oi+)
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I hope he found a red potion.
Probably had too many blue potions. Won't use magic, just melee attacks, but he just can't let go of the blue potions just in case.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:13 PM (GBKbO)
Department of Total Enlightenment?
Department of Hug It Out and Rap Circles and Midnight Basketball But Mostly Midnight Basketball?
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 08, 2025 04:13 PM (wVcYX)
So, "Navy" doesn't count? Ohhh, things could get sporty 'round here. .
Posted by: man at September 08, 2025 04:12 PM (tubbA)
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Rename it "Admiralty"
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 08, 2025 04:13 PM (kkTda)
The EO directs a proposal to draft a bill to make the name change permanent (I assume that would take 60 votes in the Senate, unless it could be slipped through somehow otherwise -- reconciliation or whatever the hell it is), but for now this is just a "preferred nickname".
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at September 08, 2025 04:13 PM (w6EFb)
and then as now, we face pirates, well those drug running boats of the sun cartel
Posted by: miguel cervantes at September 08, 2025 04:14 PM (bXbFr)
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 08, 2025 04:14 PM (qBdHI)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:12 PM (GBKbO)
in the first shovelful of papers, sure.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:14 PM (8avO+)
The EO directs a proposal to draft a bill to make the name change permanent (I assume that would take 60 votes in the Senate, unless it could be slipped through somehow otherwise -- reconciliation or whatever the hell it is), but for now this is just a "preferred nickname".
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at September 08, 2025 04:13 PM (w6EFb)
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Senators Scott and Lee have introduce legislation to do it, and yes, it would take 60 votes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:14 PM (GBKbO)
Department of War is a much more accurate name.
Posted by: Surfperch at September 08, 2025 04:14 PM (4I04B)
Posted by: A dude in MI at September 08, 2025 04:14 PM (/6GbT)
Posted by: Czech Chick at September 08, 2025 04:14 PM (vK/Ja)
Posted by: haffhowershower at September 08, 2025 04:14 PM (4DLIQ)
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at September 08, 2025 04:14 PM (VzKz0)
Posted by: Dirac_Delta at September 08, 2025 04:14 PM (yPYV4)
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at September 08, 2025 04:09 PM (XvL8K)
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Gosh, the bases were named when veterans of the Civil War were still alive, so I think if they felt it was appropriate, I'm not going to judge them.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:14 PM (ZOv7s)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:15 PM (T/Oi+)
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 08, 2025 04:14 PM (qBdHI)
If they were lazy like Obama, or brain dead like Biden, no.
They don't actually care about things they bitch about.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:15 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: toby928 at September 08, 2025 04:15 PM (jc0TO)
Senators Scott and Lee have introduce legislation to do it, and yes, it would take 60 votes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:14 PM (
McConnell. Murkowski, Rand Paul, and the Maine hag are all nos I'm sure...
Posted by: It's me donna at September 08, 2025 04:15 PM (VE6XX)
Posted by: toby928 at September 08, 2025 04:15 PM (jc0TO)
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"Ni!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:15 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:16 PM (T/Oi+)
Posted by: miguel cervantes at September 08, 2025 04:16 PM (bXbFr)
Senators Scott and Lee have introduce legislation to do it, and yes, it would take 60 votes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:14 PM (
McConnell. Murkowski, Rand Paul, and the Maine hag are all nos I'm sure...
Posted by: It's me donna at September 08, 2025 04:15 PM (VE6XX)
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On a vote like this?
I have no predictions.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:16 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 08, 2025 04:16 PM (Ve63F)
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at September 08, 2025 04:16 PM (znQKd)
Department of War is a much more accurate name.
Posted by: Surfperch at September 08, 2025 04:14 PM (4I04B)
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It really destroys DEI and all the other garbage feelings worship.
"THIS IS THE DEPARTMENT OF WAR! WAR IS OUR JOB, NOT YOUR FEELINGS!"
I'm tempted to re-up. Defininately buying merch.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:16 PM (ZOv7s)
Posted by: miguel cervantes at September 08, 2025 04:16 PM (bXbFr)
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"Department of War didn't actually exist" is certainly a take.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:16 PM (GBKbO)
Was I? Wasn't that Labor Day?
Posted by: Lamont
Nah, it was a holiday, as you said. I just needed a for instance.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:17 PM (T/Oi+)
We won in Korea.
The Chinese military officers in charge or in Korea were very careful the rest of their careers to avoid conflict with the US. Only after the PLA veterans retired did China get more aggressive.
Plus: South Korea vs North Korea.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2025 04:17 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:06 PM (GBKbO)
The legislation to change the name of the Senate to-
"The National Conglomerate of Fags and Layabouts"
probably won't pass.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 08, 2025 04:17 PM (iJfKG)
Posted by: miguel cervantes at September 08, 2025 04:18 PM (bXbFr)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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People always forget that much of government corruption is local among your neighbors or by your state government. Regardless of party.
But fake and gay elections, fraudulent contracts to local government officials in exchange for campaign donations, nepotism, favorable government treatment in courts and legal processes, and bribed public officials are simply the run of the mill criminal actions done by your local governments. And school boards that squander bucks while leaving their charges illiterate and unemployable after 13 years of nominal schooling.
Posted by: whig at September 08, 2025 04:18 PM (WDjG6)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:14 PM (GBKbO)
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Tack it onto the defense appropriation and it would only need 50.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:18 PM (ZOv7s)
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 08, 2025 04:18 PM (2J/Lj)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:06 PM (GBKbO)
The legislation to change the name of the Senate to-
"The National Conglomerate of Fags and Layabouts"
probably won't pass.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 08, 2025 04:17 PM (iJfKG)
Who are you calling a layabout?!
Posted by: Miss Lindsey at September 08, 2025 04:18 PM (ULPxl)
Posted by: Lady in Black
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Department of Coexist
Posted by: wth at September 08, 2025 04:18 PM (UjdFS)
Posted by: Lindsey Graham at September 08, 2025 04:18 PM (abIsI)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 08, 2025 04:18 PM (rvwwT)
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis, Expert at Knowing Whether Maduro is Using Human Shields at September 08, 2025 04:18 PM (GD2xa)
Department of BOO-YAH!
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 08, 2025 04:18 PM (kkTda)
Hey, Shite head. I’m not missing the point at all. You are.
You see, I’m Navy. The War Department was and always will be Army, so no way it gets to be the name of the overall thing. And since the first SecDef was the last independent SecNav, you might have the solution to your great mystery of why the War Department went away right there—nope, not wokeness, not the UN, not dreams of a kindler gentler nation, just good old fashioned inter service rivalry. No way the Army was getting naming rights.
Truman was an Army guy, hated the Marines…if even he wouldn’t go for it, we shouldn’t either.
Though I have no issues with the Dept of the Army’s reverting back to Department of War.
You have yourself a mighty fine Navy day, sorry I couldn’t click heels for The Leader.
Posted by: Baron bon Mot at September 08, 2025 04:19 PM (9NOPs)
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:14 PM (ZOv7s)
After the rout at Chattanooga Bragg met a retreating soldier and demanded he stop, and think of the Army. The soldier, not recognizing him, said "Braggs Army? He's got no army. He shot half of them in Kentucky and halt in Tennessee.
I think the issue was more state pride as Bragg was the senior North Carolinian Reb General.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:19 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: jc at September 08, 2025 04:19 PM (P3EVa)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 08, 2025 04:19 PM (ppG5b)
Posted by: ... at September 08, 2025 04:19 PM (Ew5vs)
Still, changing the name makes Leftists cry, so I'll take it.
Posted by: Military Moron at September 08, 2025 04:19 PM (JCZqz)
It's silly posturing. But businesses and government do this all the time. Dems never complain unless a republican floats it.
How about eliminating all our federal forms to not be in Spanish or other languages? That would save a ton of money.
Posted by: LizLem at September 08, 2025 04:19 PM (4+3+V)
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at September 08, 2025 04:20 PM (VzKz0)
The Chinese military officers in charge or in Korea were very careful the rest of their careers to avoid conflict with the US. Only after the PLA veterans retired did China get more aggressive.
Plus: South Korea vs North Korea.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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All foreign victories come with an asterisk--they are always time bound in effect. E.g. South Korea is showing signs of a Chinese flavored color revolution right now under the noses of our very troops.
Posted by: whig at September 08, 2025 04:20 PM (WDjG6)
Posted by: ... at September 08, 2025 04:20 PM (Ew5vs)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 08, 2025 04:20 PM (u73oe)
But fake and gay elections, fraudulent contracts to local government officials in exchange for campaign donations, nepotism, favorable government treatment in courts and legal processes, and bribed public officials are simply the run of the mill criminal actions done by your local governments. And school boards that squander bucks while leaving their charges illiterate and unemployable after 13 years of nominal schooling.
Posted by: whig at September 08, 2025 04:18 PM (WDjG6)
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Patronage, but messy.
And Democrats seem to require it organizationally to simply function.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:20 PM (GBKbO)
Why no clip from Dr. Stranglelove??
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:20 PM (T/Oi+)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:14 PM (GBKbO)
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Tack it onto the defense appropriation and it would only need 50.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:18 PM (ZOv7s)
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"Not allowable!"
-Parliamentarian
*sneaks it right back in*
-Thune
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:20 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Admiral Levine at September 08, 2025 04:20 PM (7CamO)
They then spend 10s of millions changing signs and letterheads. Seriously, a name or logo change is a major expense.
You can tell when a company is run by a *leader* with skin in the game and ownership when they change name or logo without immediately making the change and only doing it for replacement signs, etc. That used to be quite common but now very rare.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at September 08, 2025 04:20 PM (znQKd)
Posted by: Skip at September 08, 2025 04:20 PM (+qU29)
Posted by: jc
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Department of Obliteration was too hard to spell.
Posted by: whig at September 08, 2025 04:20 PM (WDjG6)
That's exactly the way it used to be. After the Constitution was ratified, and the federal govt was set up, Washington appointed Henry Knox as Secretary of War, a title he held under the Articles of Confederation.
That was the whole military such as it existed. 10 years later, they created the Dept of the Navy as a separate thing, with the Secretary of the Navy as cabinet rank official.
So Dept of War = Army, Dept of Navy = Navy. And that's the way it was through WWII, after which, 1947, I think, they created the Dept of Defense to subsume all of it under one cabinet level.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at September 08, 2025 04:21 PM (w6EFb)
The Chinese military officers in charge or in Korea were very careful the rest of their careers to avoid conflict with the US. Only after the PLA veterans retired did China get more aggressive.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2025 04:17 PM (u82oZ)
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Wrong on both. Chinese intervention inflicted one of the most serious military defeats in American history. We had headquarters overrun in the chaotic retreat, and while the Marines performed superlatively at Chosun Reservoir, they were going the wrong way. Dunkirk in the mountains.
Far from being afraid of us, China sent 300,000 troops to man North Vietnam's air defenses and helped train and equip the NVA. They were super-scared.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:21 PM (ZOv7s)
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 08, 2025 04:18 PM (2J/Lj)
You need a "throwdown" baby foot to hand him to chew on when his body lets him down.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:21 PM (8avO+)
I'm glad they got rid of the Oval Office ferns though. People should not idolize anything, especially decorative plants.
Posted by: LizLem at September 08, 2025 04:21 PM (4+3+V)
They then spend 10s of millions changing signs and letterheads. Seriously, a name or logo change is a major expense.
You can tell when a company is run by a *leader* with skin in the game and ownership when they change name or logo without immediately making the change and only doing it for replacement signs, etc. That used to be quite common but now very rare.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at September 08, 2025 04:20 PM (znQKd)
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Cracker Barrell spent $700 million on its rebrand that it completely abandoned.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:21 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 08, 2025 04:21 PM (kkTda)
Posted by: It's me donna at September 08, 2025 04:22 PM (VE6XX)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:22 PM (T/Oi+)
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
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And the two year NDAA is currrently being marked up right now in Congress. What a coincidence!
Posted by: whig at September 08, 2025 04:22 PM (WDjG6)
Posted by: JML at September 08, 2025 04:22 PM (l1UWN)
Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 08, 2025 04:22 PM (abIsI)
Posted by: Lamont the Big HTML Dummy at September
If they do, we will have to go back and pick up the conversation on rehabbing a retired cruise ship.
Posted by: Piper at September 08, 2025 04:22 PM (p4NUW)
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 08, 2025 04:18 PM (2J/Lj)
There's just no reasoning with infants. Stubborn little things. (Does sound like a lot of fun, though.)
Posted by: hobbitopoly at September 08, 2025 04:22 PM (XPM1I)
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:21 PM (8avO+)
Like a smoked pigs ear?
Posted by: Crunchy and flavorful at September 08, 2025 04:22 PM (TbWk/)
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:21 PM (ZOv7s)
Maybe at some point but in 79 when the two went to war the NV were Russian clients.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:22 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 08, 2025 04:22 PM (mlg/3)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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The outside wrapping doesn't matter when you put fecal material in the box.
Posted by: whig at September 08, 2025 04:23 PM (WDjG6)
I think the Klingons may have copyrighted the latter motto.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at September 08, 2025 04:23 PM (wBaIH)
Posted by: miguel cervantes at September 08, 2025 04:23 PM (bXbFr)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 08, 2025 04:23 PM (rvwwT)
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at September 08, 2025 04:18 PM (2J/Lj)
There's just no reasoning with infants. Stubborn little things. (Does sound like a lot of fun, though.)
Posted by: hobbitopoly at September 08, 2025 04:22 PM (XPM1I)
Hit him with a switch until he obeys.
Posted by: Michael and Debi Perl at September 08, 2025 04:23 PM (TbWk/)
That we always must be everywhere.
I also like the discussion that it allowed the DOD to become merely another Department of State but with more toys, with the mission creep of peacekeeping, negotiation, and diplomats.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 08, 2025 04:23 PM (ULnyg)
Posted by: Admiral Levine at September 08, 2025 04:20 PM (7CamO)
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The was the Royal Navy.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:23 PM (ZOv7s)
Posted by: It's me donna at September 08
A new one? Or the same one the NYT released? I suppose I could go do my own research on this, couldn’t I.
Posted by: Piper at September 08, 2025 04:23 PM (p4NUW)
"Are you going to war with Chicago?"
a re-post of President Trump answering this stupid, fake "question" from Ya-meesh Al-sin-door, the woke DEI fake "reporter."
https://is.gd/g7EXfV
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:23 PM (T/Oi+)
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:21 PM (8avO+)
Like a smoked pigs ear?
Posted by: Crunchy and flavorful at September 08, 2025 04:22 PM (TbWk/)
Or a plushy, infants may not be aware of what feets are made of.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:24 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at September 08, 2025 04:24 PM (znQKd)
Now, take those fucking olive branches out of Eagles right claw and put the arrows back where they belong.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 08, 2025 04:24 PM (+4vtO)
Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 08, 2025 04:24 PM (Dv3i1)
Posted by: Piper at September 08, 2025 04:23 PM (p4NUW)
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The same one I believe the one Trump said was a fake
Posted by: It's me donna at September 08, 2025 04:24 PM (VE6XX)
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Just do like the losing Super Bowl teams do with the pre-printed swag.
Hundreds of Teenagers in the streets of Lagos wearing Buffalo Bills 1992 NFL Champions t-shirts and carrying Department of Defense keychains.
Posted by: muldoon at September 08, 2025 04:24 PM (/iMjX)
Posted by: pudinhead at September 08, 2025 04:25 PM (AdHga)
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 08, 2025 04:25 PM (77W69)
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 08, 2025 04:25 PM (qBdHI)
Tennessee passed a law (in 2024) requiring gun safety classes in all public and charter schools, making it the first U.S. state to mandate such instruction. Starting with the 2025-2026 school year, students from kindergarten through 12th grade must receive age-appropriate firearm safety education annually.
Yeah us!!!
Posted by: Tonypete at September 08, 2025 04:25 PM (cYBz/)
Posted by: J. R. Biden at September 08, 2025 04:26 PM (NZ5n/)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 08, 2025 04:26 PM (+4vtO)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 08, 2025 04:26 PM (kkTda)
I think the Klingons may have copyrighted the latter motto.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at September 08, 2025 04:23 PM (wBaIH)
There's a H Beam Piper novel where the galactic government recently changed the name of the department from Defense to Aggression.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:26 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: wth at September 08, 2025 04:26 PM (UjdFS)
Posted by: steevy at September 08, 2025 04:26 PM (YwEeS)
Dept of War= Department of Offense, beetches
Dept of War= Dept of Winning
Dept of War= Don't Tread On Me
Dept of War= We Will Win, don't try me
I have an off topic question before I forget:
What on earth was the video of ugly Bill Gates' blathering at a WH dinner, sitting next to Lady Melania. I could tell she wanted to snatch up his plate and tell him to get out. President Trump's inital smile turned to stone cold death laser stare.
What was that? Was Gates trying to have a lame joke, sort of getting out ahead of rumors about his ugly self? Yeah, hahahaha, you were not with Epstein or talked about depopulation. Or gave Africa HIV or whatever. Funny joke!
I was shocked he was there in the first place, but mind blown at how rude he was.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at September 08, 2025 04:26 PM (6PCLE)
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:22 PM (8avO+)
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The border clash in 1979 was to force Vietnam to get out of Cambodia, and it failed spectacularly. Vietnam did cede territory, but only after its reservists inflicted crushing losses on first-line Chinese troops (Vietnam's best troops were in Cambodia).
If you read my book, Walls of Men: A military history of China, you would know that.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:26 PM (ZOv7s)
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 08, 2025 04:27 PM (wVcYX)
We aren't formally at war with anyone, and we are only informally at war with Iran and its minions, so what are they specifically talking about?
Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2025 04:27 PM (sKqQm)
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 08, 2025 04:27 PM (W2Pud)
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I disagree. There is a psychological effect that fits in with the name. Department of DEFENSE suggests a complacency and a reactionary office more subject to politics. Department of WAR is more encompassing, and portrays the risk of upsetting the apple cart. This fits in well with the current administration's approach to ongoing conflicts. Trump will try and address the issue economically. But, he's carrying a big ass stick in his hand while he's doing so. Those tanks, planes and soldiers over there aren't there to DEFEND. They are, also, sitting over there to provide incentive and repercussions.
I think what they really dislike is the current approach. Instead of going along with the status quo, the current administration is willing to take a good long look and say, "Hey, this is stupid." Ask the Congo and Rwanda.
Posted by: Orson at September 08, 2025 04:27 PM (dIske)
Or do they mean the current EU?
Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2025 04:27 PM (sKqQm)
Posted by: Marcus T at September 08, 2025 04:27 PM (FO4SJ)
Given the loss from cost overruns and shitty program management, the costs are irrelevant.
I don't care about the impact on the Chinese or Russians. But it will have a significant impact on our troops and their leadership.
A very good impact.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 08, 2025 04:27 PM (2WIwB)
We aren't formally at war with anyone, and we are only informally at war with Iran and its minions, so what are they specifically talking about?
Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2025 04:27 PM (sKqQm)
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We have to bomb Moscow to protect Ukraine's borders.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:27 PM (GBKbO)
Tennessee passed a law (in 2024) requiring gun safety classes in all public and charter schools, making it the first U.S. state to mandate such instruction. Starting with the 2025-2026 school year, students from kindergarten through 12th grade must receive age-appropriate firearm safety education annually.
Yeah us!!!
Posted by: Tonypete at September 08, 2025 04:25 PM (cYBz/)
I admit I have mixed feelings about this, because if the fcking OMG Russians can do it despite not having a 2nd amendment, why can't we? but then who will be *teaching* these classes?
On the third hand, there are a lot of relocated Morons in TN, aren't there?
Posted by: Miss Lindsey at September 08, 2025 04:27 PM (ULPxl)
And Democrats seem to require it organizationally to simply function.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
The old theory of Republics before you came along was that if the Republic was small, homogeneous, and relatively poor, then it would last. The larger the Republic in both territory and population, the quicker it fell into tyranny, self dealing, and a dissolute ruling class. Madison in Fed 10 explained the US would avoid that fate because of our compound government.
I think his theory is taking on water and slowly sinking beneath the waves. With modern comms, I think the only way to go is subsidiarity but deciding which level is best for what policy is not likely with our current legal regime. Too busy propping up too big to fail institutions.
Posted by: whig at September 08, 2025 04:28 PM (WDjG6)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 08, 2025 04:28 PM (ULPxl)
Posted by: Eeyore at September 08, 2025 04:01 PM (s0JqF)
I can live live with the Navy being part of DoW but the Space Force is just part of the Air Force which is just part of the Army.
The Marines will remain part of the Navy, as they have always been, but we won't make a big deal about it as they are easily confused.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 08, 2025 04:28 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: Marcus T at September 08, 2025 04:28 PM (FO4SJ)
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 08, 2025 04:28 PM (W2Pud)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:28 PM (T/Oi+)
Posted by: Ian S. at September 08, 2025 04:28 PM (2ocoG)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 08, 2025 04:28 PM (kkTda)
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at September 08, 2025 04:28 PM (66jKa)
Yes, the 8th Army retreat in front of the ChiCom army was one of if not the fastest in the 20th Century. Poor leadership and intel redeemed with good leadership at the end.
What I gathered from your book that most of the PLA troops were Nationalist Army in background. So a purge using UN firepower.
We got 20 years of peace out of it, and I thought the majority of North Vietnamese assistance was from the Russians.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2025 04:28 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2025 04:29 PM (sKqQm)
Laura Loomer@LauraLoomer
EXCLUSIVE:
🚨Teresa Stokes, the magistrate judge who let career criminal DeCarlos Brown Jr. walk free before he violently slaughtered Iryna Zarutska in North Carolina, sold chicken wings to drug addicts in 2021 before becoming a DEI magistrate judge in April 2023.🚨
Mecklenburg County Magistrate Judge Teresa Stokes, the DEI Shaniqua magistrate judge who released DeCarlos Brown Jr., the feral career criminal, in January 2025, who was caught on video viciously murdering Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska on the Charlotte, NC light rail train last month, sold chicken wings before she became a judge. @LoomerUnleashed has uncovered an old news clip about Teresa Stokes and her chicken wings.
Perhaps she should have focused on selling chicken wings instead of unleashing dangerous predators back into our society...
Posted by: Mister Ghost at September 08, 2025 04:29 PM (TGPs7)
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:26 PM (ZOv7s)
I did read it.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:29 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at September 08, 2025 04:28 PM (66jKa)
Can it be the Department of Peace through Superior Fire Power?
Posted by: Piper at September 08, 2025 04:29 PM (p4NUW)
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at September 08, 2025 04:30 PM (gLikB)
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 08, 2025 04:30 PM (W2Pud)
In: SECWAR
Pete Hegseth was pretty psyched about that particular name change. He posted a picture of the new nameplate for his office door on Twitter over the weekend.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 08, 2025 04:30 PM (2ocoG)
Tennessee passed a law (in 2024) requiring gun safety classes in all public and charter schools,
Yeah us!!!
Posted by: Tonypete at September 08, 2025 04:25 PM (cYBz/)
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This is such a good idea.
I think kids acclimated to guns will find them mostly cool and not scary things to ban.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at September 08, 2025 04:31 PM (znQKd)
But we all know that the pendulum always swings back, and the Other Side will throw things into reverse again some day.
Posted by: Don Black at September 08, 2025 04:31 PM (AOsQT)
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at September 08, 2025 04:31 PM (66jKa)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 08, 2025 04:28 PM (kkTda)
It wants to speak to the manager.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 08, 2025 04:31 PM (P7vXf)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 08, 2025 04:31 PM (rvwwT)
Posted by: Orson at September 08, 2025 04:27 PM (dIske)
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Think about how this will work in practice. Imagine the usual goat rope of NGOs and State doing their Whole of Government bullshit.
And among the participants is...The Department of War. People glance around uncertainly. Should *those* people really be here? When it was DoD, it was safe, anodyne, but War is different.
This means that there will be a lot less nation building, NGO-based garbage going on.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:31 PM (ZOv7s)
Poor leadership and intel redeemed with good leadership at the end.
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"When it paid to be aggressive, Ned Almond was aggressive. When it paid to be cautious, Ned Almond was aggressive."
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 08, 2025 04:31 PM (kkTda)
There is some conjecture the communists would not have invaded, except by that time the Soviets, too, had the bomb. It took them about four (4) years, thanks to guys like Klaus Fuchs. I understand why Fuchs was the way he was, he was a true believer.
The really smart guys knew (eventually) the Soviets weren’t any better than the Nazis. This is not a difficult concept. In terms of body count and percentages, etc, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot make you know who look like a piker.
They did consider nuclear weapons in Korea. Truman fired McCarthur for thinking along those lines, or at least for taking the war north. The State Department was riddled with Pinks and Communists in those days.
Posted by: Common Tater at September 08, 2025 04:32 PM (dpz3y)
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 08, 2025 04:03 PM (NtVYv)
I see no lie in the statement that Don Lemon is a "fucking moron".
Posted by: Ian S. at September 08, 2025 04:32 PM (2ocoG)
We will need a condensed command structure and a lot less general officers. I'd go so far to say a lot less officers. Warrant Officers pilots, etc.
Our front-line strength lately has been our non-commissioned officer personnel. Keep their training up to speed and keep senior enlisted with high standards.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2025 04:32 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 08, 2025 04:28 PM (ExV1e)
The Marines will also kill you when you least expect it. In your bubble bath with rubber duckies, or sleeping in your footed pj's with Pooh Bear.
The Marines need the Navy and vice versa. So my Marine Sgt father told me. Marine is in my DNA. Do not mess with me. He raised me this way, to look sweet but kill everyone in the room in a second. Cobra.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at September 08, 2025 04:33 PM (6PCLE)
Yeah, not that sensitive an issue. Explain to me this "sensitivity".
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at September 08, 2025 04:33 PM (gLikB)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2025 04:28 PM (u82oZ)
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Moscow did move in after the Sino-Soviet split, but for the early years, the VC were Chinese proxies. As the PLA re-equipped with Type 56 carbines and AKs, the old stuff went to Vietnam and other Communist rebels.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:33 PM (ZOv7s)
On the third hand, there are a lot of relocated Morons in TN, aren't there?
Posted by: Miss Lindsey at September 08, 2025 04:27 PM (ULPxl)
I read a book by a Russian junior officer who got in trouble for not training only the best few shots and stationing them in the rear to snipe the targets for the untrained ones.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:33 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: TennesseJed at September 08, 2025 04:34 PM (CLS0Q)
Did you ever read Chen Jian’s, China’s Road to the Korean War?
I’m betting you may have.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 08, 2025 04:34 PM (FO4SJ)
Posted by: Mister Ghost
Aren’t judges elected there?
Posted by: Piper at September 08, 2025 04:34 PM (p4NUW)
Posted by: Admiral Levine
I could go for a bit of rum and the lash though.
Just saying.
Posted by: Tonypete at September 08, 2025 04:34 PM (cYBz/)
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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Very true.
Posted by: whig at September 08, 2025 04:34 PM (WDjG6)
Yeah, not that sensitive an issue. Explain to me this "sensitivity".
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at September 08, 2025 04:33 PM (gLikB)
that's shorthand for "I didn't research this at all"
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:34 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 08, 2025 04:35 PM (wVcYX)
The end of active war was because of our meat-grinding phase line by phase line advances. We used a lot of ammo in Korea. Killed a lot of commies.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2025 04:35 PM (u82oZ)
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I dunno. Did we really "win" in Korea? Yeah, I know that technically the clock is still stopped but it sure feels like we called it a draw and left the field.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2025 04:11 PM (3nLb4)
Korea, you see, occurred AFTER World War II.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 08, 2025 04:35 PM (ExV1e)
Fine. I'll enjoy the pendulum while it is swinging away from the batsh*t crazy we've had imposed upon us for far too long.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at September 08, 2025 04:35 PM (gLikB)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:36 PM (T/Oi+)
I don't know if this is true , but whenever he speaks Pete Hegseth sounds like he really enjoys his job. I hope this is the case.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 08, 2025 04:36 PM (2GCMq)
Posted by: Common Tater at September 08, 2025 04:32 PM (dpz3y)
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The American public was not ready for a land war in Asia. MacArthur was humiliated by his defeat, and was trying to think of a way to find redemption.
In fact, the Chinese did not send that many troops, but they used them in close-in nighttime attacks to overrun the front lines. Our troops were not used to that kind of fighting, and it took a while to work out defense in depth with wire, claymores, etc.
The Chinese also specialized in infiltration tactics to get between the various fire points, something they taught to the Vietnamese.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:37 PM (ZOv7s)
Perhaps she should have focused on selling chicken wings instead of unleashing dangerous predators back into our society...
Posted by: Mister Ghost at September 08, 2025 04:29 PM (TGPs7)
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That's quite a career move. How do you go from selling chicken wings one day to being a lunatic magistrate judge the next?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 08, 2025 04:37 PM (7fElN)
Eh, from what I've read, it's basically Eddie Eagle lessons, then very basic instruction on identifying gun parts (trigger, barrel, muzzle) and safe storage when the kids are older.
Eddie Eagle essentially tells a kid what to do if they find a firearm:
1. Stop
2. Don't touch
3. Run away
4. Tell an adult
Posted by: bonhomme at September 08, 2025 04:37 PM (lIio7)
The Dems are trying to revive the "Trump wrote a letter to Epstein!" hoax.
LOL.
It's not going to retroactively insulate the WSJ from liability.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 08, 2025 04:37 PM (ULnyg)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 08, 2025 04:37 PM (jDOpb)
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at September 08, 2025 04:37 PM (wBaIH)
Sorry, we're all out of bubble gum.
Posted by: Dept. of War canteen at September 08, 2025 04:38 PM (XeU6L)
I worked for a couple of horrible years at the USPS in the early 90's and they still had equipment marked "POD" or "Post Office Department"
Worse comes to worse, issue every service member an official black sharpie to change the letterhead
Posted by: Kindltot at September 08, 2025 04:38 PM (rbvCR)
Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 08, 2025 04:38 PM (abIsI)
1. Stop
2. Don't touch
3. Run away
4. Tell an adult
Posted by: bonhomme at September 08, 2025 04:37 PM (lIio7)
Same applies to Joe Biden
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 08, 2025 04:38 PM (NtVYv)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September
You run for the spot and convince people to vote for you. Where they elect judges, I wonder how may are candidates running unopposed and we consider opposing, if in the area.
Posted by: Piper at September 08, 2025 04:38 PM (p4NUW)
The Dems are trying to revive the "Trump wrote a letter to Epstein!" hoax.
LOL.
It's not going to retroactively insulate the WSJ from liability.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 08, 2025 04:37 PM (ULnyg)
And surprise, surprise it's the top headline right now
Posted by: It's me donna at September 08, 2025 04:38 PM (VE6XX)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:38 PM (T/Oi+)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
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IN another setting, that too is the story of Kamala who rose from her knees to become VP.
Posted by: whig at September 08, 2025 04:39 PM (WDjG6)
Posted by: Piper at September 08, 2025 04:38 PM (p4NUW)
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"In North Carolina, magistrate judges are not elected but are nominated by the Clerk of Superior Court and appointed by the Senior Resident Superior Court Judge, serving in each county for an initial two-year term and subsequent four-year terms."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:39 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at September 08, 2025 04:39 PM (WBvEC)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 08, 2025 04:39 PM (kkTda)
They're still trying to make fetch a thing.
Posted by: Ripley at September 08, 2025 04:40 PM (GUOwU)
Posted by: Maj. Healey
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Because Commies have been teaching there and attending there since the focus was no longer on warmaking but credentials.
Posted by: whig at September 08, 2025 04:40 PM (WDjG6)
Posted by: miguel cervantes at September 08, 2025 04:40 PM (bXbFr)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 08, 2025 04:37 PM (7fElN)
Behold the beauty of DEI.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at September 08, 2025 04:40 PM (66jKa)
I’m betting you may have.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 08, 2025 04:34 PM (FO4SJ)
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I have not. In the course of my research, I came to realize certain things that modern historians and strategists seem to have ignored, and one of those was that China will never accept foreign control over Korea if they can help it. So long as the US stayed away from their border, and given their weakness, they would let it go. But an American push to the Yalu was right out.
The initial troops commitment was actually small, but they struck deep into the UN lines, which magnified their effect.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:40 PM (ZOv7s)
Posted by: miguel cervantes at September 08, 2025 04:41 PM (bXbFr)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:41 PM (T/Oi+)
"In North Carolina, magistrate judges are not elected but are nominated by the Clerk of Superior Court and appointed by the Senior Resident Superior Court Judge, serving in each county for an initial two-year term and subsequent four-year terms."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:39 PM
I am not even going to tell you what I just read and then didn’t read down far enough. I am just going to put myself in timeout.
Posted by: Piper at September 08, 2025 04:42 PM (p4NUW)
Hmmph. For a brief period it wasn't Dept. of Defense, but "National Military Establishment". The name Dept of Defense was made official in 1949.
The National Security Act of 1947 was the major reorganization that merged the Army, Navy, and Air Force (which used to be part of the Army) under one cabinet level dept.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at September 08, 2025 04:42 PM (w6EFb)
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I read that she hadn't even passed any bar exams. Maybe it's like becoming a "genocide scholar," where all she needed was a valid credit card.
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 08, 2025 04:42 PM (qBdHI)
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 08, 2025 04:42 PM (qBdHI)
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There's no requirement to be a lawyer, no.
An associate's degree is enough.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:42 PM (GBKbO)
WHO approved the name-change of The Book Thread to The Reading Thread??
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:38 PM (T/Oi+)
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Well, I reckon that was me!
Problem?
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2025 04:42 PM (7ydyJ)
Yeah, it's the Book thread. Always was, always will be.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:43 PM (T/Oi+)
Their army in Korea was easier to supply than ours.
It was not a one-sided conflict. The interpretation of winning or losing is quite nuanced. We may not be as far apart as we appear.
We did learn some from Korea, but nothing helps learning like losing - in Vietnam.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2025 04:44 PM (u82oZ)
Police Actions (Korean War), Military Operations Other Than War (Bosnia), Whatever the Hell it Was We Were Doing in Lebanon in ',83, Iraq after we took out Saddam, and the Replacement of the Taliban with the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Posted by: Minuteman at September 08, 2025 04:44 PM (47/pr)
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at September 08, 2025 04:44 PM (zZu0s)
Posted by: Sperry at September 08, 2025 04:44 PM (abIsI)
In fact, the Chinese did not send that many troops, but they used them in close-in nighttime attacks to overrun the front lines. Our troops were not used to that kind of fighting, and it took a while to work out defense in depth with wire, claymores, etc.
The Chinese also specialized in infiltration tactics to get between the various fire points, something they taught to the Vietnamese.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:37 PM (ZOv7s)
It wasn't even infiltration tactics, really in the first contact. It was just flanking. But the UN troops were roadbound and the approach to the border had few roads in rough terrain. So it was simple to move into the hills with leg infantry and flank the end of the line held by South Koreans and rout them. Then you had two forces on each coast, with units in the rear that had to move through the roadblocks and artillery posted away from the road with no ability to form a front until far to the south.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:44 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:45 PM (T/Oi+)
Posted by: TennesseJed
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"It says here 'Specialist 5th Class'...afraid we're going to have to eliminate that"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 08, 2025 04:45 PM (XeU6L)
What's next? The Culinary thread?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:45 PM (T/Oi+)
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*considers The Thread of the Cinematic Arts*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 08, 2025 04:45 PM (GBKbO)
That ship has already sailed with the smoldering ruins of the middle east, the Nordstream pipeline, and the 700,000 facilities in 40 different countries.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at September 08, 2025 04:45 PM (WCaCG)
China is very focused on who shares a border with them to the point of obsession. It’s one reason they are ecstatic about improving relations with India via things like BRICS. I think they will slowly reel them in and then drop the hammer.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 08, 2025 04:45 PM (Ao3ru)
1. Stop
2. Don't touch
3. Run away
4. Tell an adult
Posted by: bonhomme at September 08, 2025 04:37 PM (lIio7)
Same applies to Joe Biden
not certain whether this is what joe biden is supposed to do when he finds a gun or whether this is what kids are supposed to do when they find joe biden.
Posted by: anachronda at September 08, 2025 04:45 PM (sGtp+)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:45 PM (T/Oi+)
The pew pew thread
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 08, 2025 04:45 PM (NtVYv)
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 08, 2025 04:42 PM (qBdHI)
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There's no requirement to be a lawyer, no.
An associate's degree is enough.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Magistrate judges are purely patronage positions in NC and GA among others with minimal requirements. Some places still have elected Justices of the Peace which still have some judicial functions on search/arrest warrants, minor misdemeanor cases, and minor court disputes without juries.
There is also a reason why magistrate judges are often just rubber stamps to bad search and arrest warrants.
Posted by: whig at September 08, 2025 04:45 PM (WDjG6)
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at September 08, 2025 04:42 PM (w6EFb)
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There's a good case for why they did it. In the modern age, having the Army and Navy use their own procurement systems, their own standards (Army and Navy rifles diverged in caliber from time to time), and of course the pie fights over interservice cooperation.
But it's now ossified and change is needed.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:45 PM (ZOv7s)
Yeah us!!!
Posted by: Tonypete at September 08, 2025 04:25 PM (cYBz/)
Depends on the execution. Could easily become like DARE: guns are bad, guns are dangerous, and if your parents have any guns tell your teacher or a police officer.
Posted by: Devil's always in the details at September 08, 2025 04:45 PM (TbWk/)
Magistrate Judge requirements are a joke, but this chick doesn't seem to even meet that extremely low bar.
In NC, the requirements are:
be a resident at the time of nomination, be 21+, have a four year degree OR have a two year degree plus four years of relevant experience, have good character, be nominated by the Clerk of Superior Court, be appointed by the Senior Resident Superior Court Judge
Posted by: bonhomme at September 08, 2025 04:46 PM (lIio7)
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at September 08, 2025 04:46 PM (fXRJa)
Yeah, it's the Book thread. Always was, always will be.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:43 PM (T/Oi+)
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Well tough toenails.
Having said that, the next person to take over the weekly duties can call it whatever they want. Shall I forward your name for consideration?
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2025 04:46 PM (7ydyJ)
French PM Francois Bayrou, the fourth prime minister in just 20 months, became the latest to depart having failed to get sufficient support to push a budget through parliament as 194 voted for him, 364 against.
Bayrou is reportedly going to submit his resignation to Macron early Tuesday, according to a government course.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 08, 2025 04:46 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: anachronda at September 08, 2025 04:45 PM (sGtp+)
For when a kid finds Joe Biden !
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 08, 2025 04:46 PM (NtVYv)
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at September 08, 2025 04:47 PM (WBvEC)
Ayn Rand was right.
Posted by: Going deep. Out. at September 08, 2025 04:47 PM (NV/Gc)
Posted by: unisys at September 08, 2025 04:47 PM (sGtp+)
Having said that, the next person to take over the weekly duties can call it whatever they want. Shall I forward your name for consideration?
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2025 04:46 PM (7ydyJ)
The thread for kids who can't read good ?
Posted by: It's me donna at September 08, 2025 04:47 PM (VE6XX)
What? They have a lifetime supply of all these things in the warehouse, or too stupid to dump this shit on eBay where collectors will pick it up?
Who said all of this had to change Right Now?
And doesn't the MIC have rent-seekers who could use a little business in making signs? Or does the military have zero ability to make signs?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at September 08, 2025 04:48 PM (WCaCG)
Posted by: Lance Corporal Jones at September 08, 2025 04:48 PM (wVcYX)
The first one. If it were written for Joe, it'd have more YOU statements.
YOU stop.
YOU don't touch.
YOU run away.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 08, 2025 04:48 PM (lIio7)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at September 08, 2025 04:48 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: Things Obama Never Said at September 08, 2025 04:49 PM (9qEvZ)
Their army in Korea was easier to supply than ours.
It was not a one-sided conflict. The interpretation of winning or losing is quite nuanced. We may not be as far apart as we appear.
We did learn some from Korea, but nothing helps learning like losing - in Vietnam.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2025 04:44 PM (u82oZ)
They certainly had fewer supplies per man used. But it was difficult for them to walk the supplies down the country with limited trucks and UN air dominance.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:49 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
I absolutely agree with this.
Today we need South Korea's help in our ship building industry.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2025 04:49 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:43 PM (T/Oi+)
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Well tough toenails.
Having said that, the next person to take over the weekly duties can call it whatever they want. Shall I forward your name for consideration?
this wouldn't have become a problem if you had continued to remind us about pants
Posted by: anachronda at September 08, 2025 04:49 PM (sGtp+)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 08, 2025 04:49 PM (kUxzU)
What? Branding doesn't matter? Tell Madison Avenue this.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at September 08, 2025 04:49 PM (WCaCG)
I'm reading the history of this "unification" into the Dept. of Defense.
The Army (Dept of War) and Navy had a big fight over it, competing plans, that put themselves on top, of course. Then Congress was in the act.
The Marines got worried the Army would try to ace them out -- they liked being under the Navy, because it kept the Army from trying to eliminate them as a separate force thing.
This created the Air Force as a separate branch as well, with a Dept of the Air Force, but which was under the NEM/DoD.
All a fascinating read.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at September 08, 2025 04:49 PM (w6EFb)
UN Air Power didn't stop many supplies until their supply lines got very long. Although we certainly dropped enough ordnance to try that.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2025 04:50 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Skip at September 08, 2025 04:51 PM (+qU29)
Today we need South Korea's help in our ship building industry.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
And our car building industry.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 08, 2025 04:51 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: Sock Monkey * sporting my Andrew Breitbart attitude at September 08, 2025 04:51 PM (3yoIY)
TBF, South Korea is probably the best ship building nation on the planet that we can do business with.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at September 08, 2025 04:51 PM (WCaCG)
Posted by: Don Black at September 08, 2025 04:52 PM (AOsQT)
-Heinz Guderian, probably
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at September 08, 2025 04:53 PM (zZu0s)
Posted by: Don Black at September 08, 2025 04:52 PM (AOsQT)
Department of Find Out
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at September 08, 2025 04:53 PM (zZu0s)
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at September 08, 2025 04:33 PM (6PCLE)
Absolutely. When my submarine was in overhaul there was one being refueled. There was a lovely fence around the drydock. There was a lovely white line painted around the fence. There were Marines hanging around.
We were informed that anyone who crossed the white line would be shot by the Marines without warning. As was right and proper.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 08, 2025 04:54 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: Oglebay at September 08, 2025 04:54 PM (MMp6W)
Goldin would go ballistic if he saw the worm anywhere.
I have a piece of a door that had the now now extinct "worm" that was pained on a exit door of the former Flight Crew Training Building.
A contractor that was ripping out the door cut it out and gave it to me after I told him the story.
Posted by: pawn at September 08, 2025 04:54 PM (PmITa)
the best defense is being offensive.
*shifty eyes* or something like that.
Posted by: anachronda at September 08, 2025 04:54 PM (sGtp+)
Eddie Eagle is the new Big Bird.
I can see Memphis schools teaching the young thugs not to hold the firearm sideways. Giving them tactical knowledge on using revolvers so they don't have to police their brass after a drive-by.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at September 08, 2025 04:55 PM (WCaCG)
I have a question for you because you used the word, "supper." What do you call the mid-day meal? Is that dinner or lunch? I'm curious.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 08, 2025 04:55 PM (lIio7)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 08, 2025 04:56 PM (kkTda)
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 04:44 PM (8avO+)
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Operationally that was absolutely the case, but tactically they did the same thing, probing forward during the night, seeking always to evade patrols and fixed defenses and then attack with overwhelming numbers on a very narrow front. That gave the impression that there were more of them than there were.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:56 PM (ZOv7s)
There is a separate officer branch of the US Navy, supposedly the best of the best, that deal with ship-building and ship repairs. Two of my shipmates were selected. I was impressed by one, and he made flag officer. The other was a self-important, ambitious, empty suit.
They have failed spectacularly. Although the submarine side is not as bad as the surface ship or carrier sides.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2025 04:56 PM (u82oZ)
Why did they even bother? It was just symbolic.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Bragg is kind of 'meh'.
Renaming it Fort Happy Prancing boosted morale.
Posted by: New Name at September 08, 2025 04:56 PM (/lPRQ)
Not so much that the theory is taking on water, but the implementation. The government has been merging almost since it was implemented: VP and P no longer oppositional; Senators no longer appointed, these bite into what the founders set up.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 08, 2025 04:57 PM (olroh)
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
A security detail already doesn't like you, they are just looking for an excuse. . .
Posted by: Tonypete at September 08, 2025 04:57 PM (cYBz/)
Bureau of Indigenous Peoples Affairs?
Bureau of Native American Affairs?
I'm having reservations.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at September 08, 2025 04:57 PM (WBvEC)
Posted by: G. Washington at September 08, 2025 04:58 PM (wVcYX)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing History at September 08, 2025 04:45 PM (T/Oi+)
The pew pew thread
pepe le pew thread > pew pew thread
Posted by: anachronda at September 08, 2025 04:58 PM (sGtp+)
So "Fort Ike" sure
"Fort First Kansas City Faggot Commander" no...unless he actually won a war...
Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2025 04:58 PM (sKqQm)
Posted by: Sock Monkey * sporting my Andrew Breitbart attitude at September 08, 2025 04:58 PM (3yoIY)
*****
Naval Traditions? Don't tell me about your Naval Traditions.
The only naval traditions are Rum, Sodomy, & the Lash.
(Ghost of Winston Churchill)
Posted by: EFG at September 08, 2025 04:59 PM (G/8oh)
It's hilarious reading this. The Army wanted to be the boss of the Navy, and the Navy wanted to be the boss of the Army when merged together.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at September 08, 2025 04:59 PM (w6EFb)
What? Branding doesn't matter? Tell Madison Avenue this.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at September 08, 2025 04:49 PM (WCaCG)
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So DEI was to scare the Chicoms? Seemed pretty heavily into navel gazing.
The scary thing is that there are a lot of service academy grads who really do think that having gays and trannies in your planing group makes for better products.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:59 PM (ZOv7s)
So based on the context of this question we can bomb armed children?
Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2025 04:59 PM (sKqQm)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2025 04:59 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 08, 2025 04:59 PM (wVcYX)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 08, 2025 05:00 PM (Ve63F)
Posted by: Still lurking up north, read some, don't comment much at September 08, 2025 05:00 PM (kTd/k)
Apparently important enough to keep getting Americans killed, but not important enough to try and win.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2025 05:01 PM (sKqQm)
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 04:56 PM (ZOv7s)
also a good way to avoid a lot of air attack - hug the other side as close as you can.
and all through history assessment of enemy numbers has been wildly wrong.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 05:01 PM (8avO+)
Especially now, with the name change.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2025 05:01 PM (u82oZ)
What a pussified military, fatigued, confused and over-burdened by a brand change.
I guess the employees at Cracker Barrel were lining up to set appointments with shrinks to combat their PTSD in the signage change.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at September 08, 2025 05:01 PM (WCaCG)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 08, 2025 05:02 PM (Ve63F)
I’d like a chocolate cornet with sprinkles, please!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at September 08, 2025 05:02 PM (ZVgZ4)
Posted by: Frank Barone at September 08, 2025 05:02 PM (IifOV)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 08, 2025 05:02 PM (Ve63F)
THat was being kind
Posted by: It's me donna at September 08, 2025 05:02 PM (VE6XX)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2025 05:02 PM (tT6L1)
I love reading ancient battle estimates.
We had 1,000 men to their 1,023,423 men
And you kind of what to ask why the 423?
Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2025 05:03 PM (sKqQm)
"most".... so, 4.
"current and serving"... we found one guy currently serving who accidentally joined the DoW when he intended to join the State Dept, then was too lazy to find a job at State. We couldn't even get 5 of our stable of retired Generals and Colonels to agree with him, which is why we had to say "most of" "more than half a dozen".
Posted by: RandomDave at September 08, 2025 05:03 PM (aJQbY)
Posted by: Hot Shots part Deux at September 08, 2025 05:03 PM (zZu0s)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 08, 2025 05:02 PM
She's more "bottom bunk" because she'd collapse the top bunk.
Posted by: Frank Barone at September 08, 2025 05:03 PM (IifOV)
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
You got a white line?
Ours were red.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 08, 2025 05:03 PM (/lPRQ)
On that last one we weren't as bad as Europe, but the two wars somewhat close together (close enough a couple of generations remembered) made America somewhat unwilling to engage in more "adventurism" abroad. Heck, I don't think the Korean War was ever declared, except as an UN action, and a "police" one at that - solely because they thought they could fool the American people into thinking it wasn't a real war.
Department of Defense should be a great name for all those who don't want us engaged in foreign lands, unless necessary. It sets the tone for the foreign policy which drives it. It's also the same reason we aren't even supposed to have a standing army. It's right in the Constitution. So we can't simply up and decide to invade some country - we have to muster the people to go to war. But we've blown that off for 80 years, too.
Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2025 05:03 PM (RTQn+)
Royal Navy tradition. We officially gave up alcoholic drinks on ships in 1914.
Earlier the USN abolished flogging. Lots of ship captains were strongly opposed to that.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2025 05:04 PM (u82oZ)
Then: "The difficult we do immediately. The impossible takes a little longer."
Now: "I see there being a million small headaches and annoyances if this actually happens"
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 08, 2025 05:04 PM (kkTda)
Well as long as the drinks come in cute glasses with pretty umbrellas!
Posted by: Pete Bootyjuice at September 08, 2025 05:05 PM (sKqQm)
But I'm sure renaming a department will overwhelm them.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2025 05:05 PM (sKqQm)
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at September 08, 2025 05:05 PM (PQOq3)
Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2025 05:01 PM (sKqQm)
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Offensive actions meant more casualties, and public support was cratering, so the solution was to put up layers of wire, mines and then shell the snot out of anything that moved.
It worked. The Chinese had plenty of men, but the financial strain was immense on a pre-industrial country.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 08, 2025 05:05 PM (ZOv7s)
Posted by: pookysgirl, waiting for hospital discharge paperwork at September 08, 2025 05:06 PM (weMmU)
Department of Kinetic Lessons, Administered with Extreme Prejudice
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) - Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh! [/i at September 08, 2025 05:07 PM (XeTAE)
Posted by: Jasmine Crockett at September 08, 2025 05:07 PM (paSBy)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair
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It is more like Madison's Fed. 46--he recognizes people will give power to the institutions they think work best. Those levels of government that are successful get more power due to trust by the people--that in turn leads to a ratchet. State governments were widely viewed as archaic, badly performing, and thoroughly penetrated with big business corruption. Thus, in the 30's, the people allowed FDR and Co to nationalize many things that were up to this time state or local. Since then, the ratchet has almost always been toward more and more power accruing to the central government with less and less left for state/local.
Inside the separation of powers, we see something similar--Congress has more or less become a failed institution as national coherence fades--that will automatically mean more power for the executive and the judicial branches (along with bureaucracy) to make the hard decisions.
Posted by: whig at September 08, 2025 05:07 PM (WDjG6)
Let's kick fucking UN off of American soil! How about that?
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at September 08, 2025 05:07 PM (WBvEC)
So "Fort Ike" sure
"Fort First Kansas City Faggot Commander" no...unless he actually won a war...
Posted by: 18-1
Putting bases in the deep south and naming them after their generals that LOST the war was a peace offering.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 08, 2025 05:07 PM (/lPRQ)
It worked. The Chinese had plenty of men, but the financial strain was immense on a pre-industrial country.
Naval based destruction of China's cities would have been way more cost effective in terms of lives and treasure lost.
Oh, and nuking the Korean/Chinese border
Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2025 05:07 PM (sKqQm)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 08, 2025 05:07 PM (kkTda)
But our military didn't "lose" all those wars. It was the political realm that lost them or delivered stalemates. And it was PROGRESSIVISM in the political realm that did it - the idea that real war must be avoided at almost any cost (except when panicky morons see a fight somewhere as a re-start of WW1). And, of course, modeling your foreign policy after Pottery Barn and the Marshall Plan when you don't have any Dresdens to precede it. (I would much rather see the sort of occupation we had in Japan anywhere we go to fight - you WILL change your life to rebuild, or you will suffer occupation forever.)
Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2025 05:08 PM (RTQn+)
Apparently important enough to keep getting Americans killed, but not important enough to try and win.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2025 05:01 PM (sKqQm)
Closer to say that there were 2 more or less unopposed parades separated by one small defensive battle in the mobile phase.
the North Korean army was far better equipped and trained in 1950, with T34 tanks and the South Koreans dissolved. On the way south "TF Smith" UN force was crushed. The UN side managed to get sufficient forces into Pusan and defended the perimeter. When the Inchon invasion went in, it was unopposed since all the forces were running out of men and supplies far to the South and the N Korean army essentially dissolved.
This gave the UN forces the ability to drive up the coast with light opposition in turn.
Once a side could dig in and cover the width of the land there, though, digging them out becomes quite a problem.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 05:09 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2025 05:09 PM (RTQn+)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 08, 2025 05:09 PM (jDOpb)
The will was not there.
However, I am sure Trump knows that Chines megalopolises are 10 megatons apart in distance.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2025 05:09 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 08, 2025 05:09 PM (ExV1e)
But our military didn't "lose" all those wars. It was the political realm that lost them or delivered stalemates./i]
The Vietnam War was the archetype of this.
As soon as it was clear NV was controlling the VC why were there any NV cities left? Give them all the Dresden treatment. They'll decide its not worth it quickly...or be unable to keep up the fight...
Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2025 05:09 PM (sKqQm)
We'd have David Brooks out there talking about how the drones have really nice pants.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 08, 2025 05:10 PM (nE/fx)
Posted by: Jasmine Crockett at September 08, 2025 05:07 PM (paSBy)
ALL HAIL ROBO TRUMP
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 05:10 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: whig at September 08, 2025 05:07 PM (WDjG6)
It's also the fact that people want less and less responsibility. The higher you push decisions, AND the more anonymous you make them (bureaucracy), the less you have to worry about some decision you make coming back to bite you. Whether that's an election or just whether you paid your mortgage this month.
Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2025 05:12 PM (RTQn+)
When Congress is pressed to do their constitutional duty, they vote up a Declaration of War, not a Declaration of Defense.
'Nuff said.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) - Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh! [/i at September 08, 2025 05:13 PM (XeTAE)
It took excellent maneuvering by Nixon to isolate the Russians and Chinese enough to allow Haiphong to be mined and Hanoi to be bombed.
Johnson did not even try. He was afraid of the commies.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 08, 2025 05:14 PM (u82oZ)
And a few meals between some of them
On ONT on my night shift I call lunch at midnight
Posted by: Skip at September 08, 2025 05:17 PM (+qU29)
Posted by: Skip at September 08, 2025 05:19 PM (+qU29)
I love reading ancient battle estimates.
We had 1,000 men to their 1,023,423 men
And you kind of what to ask why the 423?
Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2025 05:03 PM (sKqQm)
There's a series of books on ancient and medieval war by Delbruck in the 19th century were he tries to decode what likely happened by ancient descriptions. He's often tossing up his hands in frustration. But a million troops just could not be fed and marched over a few dirt roads to get to a battlefield, and to stay there long.
The two armies in VA in the ACW would have been the second and third or so largest cities in population. And they had to move around.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 08, 2025 05:21 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: Braggart at September 08, 2025 05:22 PM (oftw2)
Posted by: 18-1 at September 08, 2025 05:03 PM (sKqQm)
I am trying to remember a battle during the First(?) Punic war where the numbers reported were something ridiculous like 400,000 engaged. Now, naval battles can get up there, but still.
Posted by: Hot Shots part Deux at September 08, 2025 05:29 PM (zZu0s)
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at September 08, 2025 04:54 PM (ExV1e)
My father's attitude through life, as is mine: Try Me.
When you first met him, the unsuspecting would see a proper Southern gentleman. A deacon and then elder in his church. Protector of his women (he once told frat boys, when I was in elementary school, eating out, to stop whatever they were saying as his wife and daughter were present...I was bummed out I did not hear what they said). Lover of football. Hilarious wit. Smart. Loved his family and a provider as well as a big kid who gave us everything he also wanted to play with (treehouse, go cart, etc). I loved that man and still do.
But cross a line with him and you would be sorry. I never was afraid of him as when he would discipline me he'd have to hide his laughter at whatever defiant face I was giving him. I always knew he'd forgive me.
The message was clear, however. Look like you are a sweet Southern girl, but surprise them when needed. I did both in life and at work.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at September 08, 2025 05:37 PM (6PCLE)
Posted by: melodicmetal1 at September 08, 2025 06:03 PM (XLfSN)
Posted by: Joe Redfield at September 08, 2025 06:21 PM (KOtXO)
Love it or hate it, "Department of Defense" was come with out of diplomacy.
I may be late to the party but I anticipate with relish getting hit with tomatoes over this.
Posted by: Cow Demon at September 08, 2025 06:52 PM (dk5j5)
What makes Marines special compared to the other branches isn't anything complex, we aren't super heroes, unless you ask me, then I will make a point of letting you know that I am to freedom, what a vegan is palestian liberation, but we are special for one very simple reason.
Every Marine is expected to be a warfighter.
That's all. Our job is specific, but that's our job, I don't like heights so I respect pilots, I don't like engaging with dumb people, so I respect the army, and I don't like having gay sex so I'm only BARELY a part of the Navy, but the basic thing that separates Marine from the other branches, as that every single member is expected to be a warfighter. We are all warriors, from the hardest road marching motherfucker, to the most waifish bitch in Admin. If the siren goes off, you grab that rifle and you fight.
I don't mention this often, but it's a simple fact, My pin numbers on virtually every single thing I have to offer a pin for is either my rifle number of a variation of it.
Me and My Rifle, that's all I need.
Posted by: wickedpinto at September 08, 2025 06:56 PM (XKj0h)
Posted by: wickedpinto at September 08, 2025 06:56 PM (XKj0h)
Me and My Rifle, that's all I need.
Posted by: wickedpinto at September 08, 2025 06:56 PM (XKj0h)
Respect and many thanks.
My father was sent to Camp Pendleton to train for WWII, Pacific Theater. Would be woken and told to march with full packs on the sand at 0300. One nitwit kept messing up, and also poor hygiene, which caused extra marches. A bunch of them (my father always claimed with everything that he just observed) got the guy who was making them march at 0300 and put him in the shower and cleaned him with a "wire brush." The guy quit messing up.
He also said that to a man there was a plot to kill the drill sgt if they lived and came home. He said the drill sgts were shipped to the other coast after they finished with one bunch in training. My father was not known to hate or want to kill, but apprently he was all in for this.
There has been no finer man, other than my husband, that I have loved as much. He was shaped by his service, which he did not talk about much at all until I got a packet of questions from the Library of Congress, which we did not post. Some of his answers were too hilarious for the public.
He was one of a kind.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at September 08, 2025 07:18 PM (6PCLE)
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