Gun Thread: End of August Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving Hell did it get to be the end of August? Know what happens after August? September! And after September? The TXMoMe! Beginning next week we'll have exciting details on our get-together in Texas, so stay tuned!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals

Providing content with very little personal effort has long been a guiding principle of mine when creating the weekly Gun Thread. Last week it dawned on me that I could reuse material from the Mid-Range Shooting Clinic syllabus, so here is some more of that!

Rifle Zero
So what is zeroing a rifle? Simply put, it's adjusting the sights or optical reticle so it aligns exactly with the bullet impact on target at a specific distance with zero wind and elevation. For the purpose of this discussion I will refer from here on out to optics although the concepts are mostly the same with iron sights.
Every single rifle has to be zeroed if you want to stand much of a chance of hitting a target beyond about 100 yards or so. With changes in velocity and bullet weight, it's very easy for the ballistics to vary to such a degree that a non-zeroed rifle will miss even inside that distance. Every single time you change ammunition, you must re-zero your rifle. You may get lucky and be somewhere on target close in, but the results will only get uglier the farther out you go. A shooter with a non-zeroed rifle stands little chance of hitting a target beyond a couple of hundred yards. It is absolutely essential the scope reticle is pointing to the exact same place as the bullet is going, or you might as well be shooting without sights at all, and you're probably just wasting your ammunition. What is the point of carefully selecting a target through the scope when your rifle barrel is pointing somewhere else?

This is why I spend so much time harping on consistency in ammunition. Inconsistent ammunition, with respect to either velocity or bullet weight, is the same as changing to different ammunition every time you chamber a round. If you know the weight of the bullet and its velocity leaving the barrel you can compute a ballistic trajectory. Alter either variable, and the bullet goes somewhere else. No exceptions. Once again, changing ammo will change the zero. Atmospherics also begin to influence the equation at greater distances, but for now let's stick with the basics.
The good news is that zeroing a rifle is no big deal and is not hard to do. I zero my rifles at 100 yards because I mostly shoot at fixed distances and that keeps the math simple, but it's not uncommon for hunters to zero their rifles at 200 yards or some other distance if that better suits their purpose. Again, all you are doing in the zeroing process is moving the reticle inside the scope so at zero elevation and zero windage indicated, it matches the point of bullet impact at a fixed distance, in this case, 100 yards.
So what is required? A sturdy bench, some sandbags or other shooting rest, a spotting scope and a sighting target. I use pre-printed targets with one-inch grid squares, but that isn't even completely necessary. A blank sheet of paper with an aiming dot will work fine. You can even zero a gun without a bench or sandbags, but you need an absolutely stable platform to work from so small movements in your gear and set up do not affect the point of aim.

The process is simple. With an already fouled barrel, choose a calm day, set up your stuff, and as carefully as possible take a shot at the target. An assistant is helpful to spot impacts landing off the target. Let's say you're lucky and hit the target but the bullet impacts right 3 inches and high 2 inches from the aim point. I like to take a second shot at this point to validate the first. All things being equal, the difference in the two impacts should be small, ideally in the same hole, but at least making some sort of group. For argument's sake, say they're pretty close; almost touching, which tells you your setup and ammo consistency is good. All you need to do now is dial down 2 inches and left 3 inches and you should be in the center. My rifle scopes all use the minute-of-angle (MOA) convention, so at 100 yards it would be down 2 MOA and left 3 MOA. Take a third shot and observe the results. Hopefully you're in the center, but if the impact is wandering around, you need to begin investigating possible causes like goofy ammo or stability and marksmanship problems. Once the bullets are going to where the reticle is pointing, loosen the screws on the scope turrets, turn the caps to read zero for both elevation and windage, tighten them back up and you're done.

Below is a WeaselAcres video which includes the process for our visual learners.

Easy Peasy!

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Lena Miculek Competes!

Here is a video of Lena Miculek (Jer's daughter) prepping and competing in the 2025 IPSC Handgun Nationals.

What things do you notice about her pre-match walkthrough process that might contribute to her success? How about things she does during the match?

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Considerations For Carrying Around Schools

What happened to the Armed Attorneys babe?

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Our pal The S.O.S.

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Fun Size Joe v. Lamb Baby

FSJ goes medieval on Lamb Baby with a special guest appearance by Gertie. Due to the graphic nature of the video, viewer discretion is advised.

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Highway Patrol

This week's episode: Chain Store

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Stranger From Venus!

"We have no information but there is no cause for fear"

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Ammo Link-O-Rama
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
American Elite Ammo
Lucky Gunner Ammo NEW!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 yay! Gubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 07:00 PM (Wnv9h)

2 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at August 31, 2025 07:00 PM (+qU29)

3 Hey!

Posted by: Ri red at August 31, 2025 07:00 PM (vY9Lp)

4 3rd?

Posted by: Coelacanth at August 31, 2025 07:00 PM (Qw3Dr)

5 The Others have been summoned.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 07:01 PM (Wnv9h)

6 Damn, RMBS. I’m sitting here hitting refresh like a coke-addled monkey and I’m still at the bottom of win place show.

Posted by: Ri red at August 31, 2025 07:02 PM (vY9Lp)

7 Howdy!

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at August 31, 2025 07:02 PM (sAmhv)

8 Hello Weasel. Going to see you soon.

Posted by: Rancherbob at August 31, 2025 07:03 PM (C1YQK)

9 FSJ is savage!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 07:03 PM (Wnv9h)

10 Weasel you need some new videos

Posted by: Skip at August 31, 2025 07:04 PM (+qU29)

11 TXMOME X, yeah, everybody is going to be there!

Posted by: Ben Had at August 31, 2025 07:04 PM (dxWFK)

12 Damn, RMBS. I’m sitting here hitting refresh like a coke-addled monkey and I’m still at the bottom of win place show.
Posted by: Ri red at August 31, 2025 07:02 PM

Can't let Sponge get all the firsts.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 07:04 PM (Wnv9h)

13 Let's check on Gun Thread Tradition compliance this week, shall we?

1) Exhortation to Focus on Fundamentals -- Check.
2) Exhortation to Buy Ammo -- Check
3) Content featuring FSJ and/or Gertie -- Check

Status: Compliant for the week of 31 August 2025.

Good job, Weasel!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 31, 2025 07:05 PM (0sNs1)

14 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 07:05 PM (BCwQW)

15 Pictures of that Scottish lass this past week reminded me of this quote:

Gun control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

L. Neil Smith

Posted by: tankdemon at August 31, 2025 07:06 PM (kUdhB)

16 And finally, an FSJ sighting!

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 07:07 PM (vY9Lp)

17 The Armed Attorneys babe just had a baby. Her third, I think.

Posted by: That SOB Van at August 31, 2025 07:07 PM (TjdQE)

18 Hello Weasel. Going to see you soon.
Posted by: Rancherbob at August 31, 2025 07:03 PM (C1YQK)
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Can't wait!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:08 PM (dmH0a)

19 The Armed Attorneys babe just had a baby. Her third, I think.
Posted by: That SOB Van at August 31, 2025 07:07 PM

Nice to get some good news form time to time.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 07:08 PM (Wnv9h)

20 Awww.

Re: FSJ.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at August 31, 2025 07:08 PM (zZu0s)

21 "From"

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 07:09 PM (Wnv9h)

22 Posted by: Skip at August 31, 2025 07:04 PM (+qU29)
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Thinking about it! Also thinking about how long they take to produce.

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:09 PM (dmH0a)

23 A minute-of-angle is 1/60th of a degree. This is approximately equal to 1.047 inches, not 1 inch.

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at August 31, 2025 07:11 PM (0sNs1)

24 Fall is definitely in the air. Saw a huge flock of doves and a 3 point buck on the way to town this morning.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 31, 2025 07:11 PM (dxWFK)

25 Posted by: Wesley Crusher at August 31, 2025 07:11 PM

Shut up, Wesley.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 07:12 PM (Wnv9h)

26 Fall is definitely in the air. Saw a huge flock of doves and a 3 point buck on the way to town this morning.
Posted by: Ben Had at August 31, 2025 07:11 PM

Leaves are starting to turn up here. Definitely Fall-ish.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 07:13 PM (Wnv9h)

27 Howdy folks!! How are you all doing on this Laborious Day weekend!?!?!?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 31, 2025 07:13 PM (Jm6kM)

28 A minute-of-angle is 1/60th of a degree. This is approximately equal to 1.047 inches, not 1 inch.
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at August 31, 2025 07:11 PM (0sNs1)
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I find it's ok to disregard the fraction inside a few hundred yards.

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:13 PM (dmH0a)

29 "Rifle Zero"

I remember when Zero shot a shotgun. Don't know if he hit anything.

Posted by: fd at August 31, 2025 07:13 PM (vFG9F)

30 I always wondered what happened to Lamb Chop.
Now I know.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 31, 2025 07:14 PM (2WIwB)

31 "Approximately" Wesley?

Be better man, be better.

Posted by: haffhowershower at August 31, 2025 07:14 PM (144I4)

32 Prayer for Rudy Giuliani's complete and speedy recovery.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 31, 2025 07:14 PM (RIvkX)

33 Howdy folks!! How are you all doing on this Laborious Day weekend!?!?!?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 31, 2025 07:13 PM

Scoob!

Laboring, as is proper for the weekend. Many things done at the RMBS Mom's house.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 07:14 PM (Wnv9h)

34 No mention of bore sighting before heading to the range to get on paper quicker? Easily done with bolties and ARs.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at August 31, 2025 07:15 PM (5YmYl)

35 I have to work tomorrow in the safe if not too hot.

Posted by: Eromero at August 31, 2025 07:16 PM (DXbAa)

36 17 The Armed Attorneys babe just had a baby. Her third, I think.

Posted by: That SOB Van at August 31, 2025 07:07 PM

Good for her.

At least we know that her husband isn't shooting blanks!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 31, 2025 07:16 PM (HlyYF)

37 33 Laboring, as is proper for the weekend. Many things done at the RMBS Mom's house.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 07:14 PM

And I am not laboring at all. :-)

Sorry, no range report. Will probably not have one until the TXMOME!! Preparing for my trip across the pond next month.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 31, 2025 07:16 PM (Jm6kM)

38 Sorry, no range report. Will probably not have one until the TXMOME!! Preparing for my trip across the pond next month.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 31, 2025 07:16 PM

Nice.

No range report for me, either. Shooting will happen tomorrow.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 07:18 PM (Wnv9h)

39 Good evening Horde. Thanks Weasel!

Happy September eve to everyone.

Posted by: TRex - attendance credit claimed at August 31, 2025 07:18 PM (IQ6Gq)

40 Weasel, no shooting this weekend b/c of the crowds at my local range. Any thoughts about ported barrel revolvers? My LGS had nearly new (it still has the bar code hang tag on the trigger guard) Colt Kodiak for $1,250 ($1,325 out the door price), that was too tempting for me to pass up. That's pretty deeply discounted from its $1,799 MSRP. The sales guy said that the previous owner didn't like the recoil from the .44 Magnum rounds. Do you think that ported barrels are effective reducing muzzle rise? Does the ported barrel make the revolver more manageable? .44 Magnum out of a 4.25" barrel has a reputation for being quite a handful. For now, I plan on sticking w/ .44 Specials when I try shooting this beast.

Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 07:18 PM (BCwQW)

41 thx for the FSJ video, Weasel!

(reminds me of our rat terrier brothers, of blessed memory ... )

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 31, 2025 07:19 PM (ppG5b)

42 Nice AR video, Weasel. And no dreaded 4th shot!
But what’s the bolt handle setup?

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 07:19 PM (vY9Lp)

43 "Approximately" Wesley?

Be better man, be better.
Posted by: haffhowershower at August 31, 2025 07:14 PM (144I4)
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Well it will make a difference, assuming he can hold .047 inches at 100 yards!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:19 PM (dmH0a)

44 Nice to get some good news form time to time.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 07:08 PM (Wnv9h)

Good news? I have rhe form here somewhere...

*starts rummaging around halfheartedly*

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at August 31, 2025 07:20 PM (zZu0s)

45 Well it will make a difference, assuming he can hold .047 inches at 100 yards!
Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:19 PM (dmH0a)

That's what she said.

Poor bastard.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at August 31, 2025 07:21 PM (zZu0s)

46 Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 07:19 PM (vY9Lp)
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I ordered it with the side charging handle because the stock was interfering a little with the one on the back of the bolt.

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:21 PM (dmH0a)

47 Good afternoon, everyone.

Thanks again, Weasel!

No range report this weekend. We were babysitting 90 lbs of shag rug masquerading as a dog. Dog had the energy of a chihuahua on crack. But an incredibly sweet and friendly demeanor.

However, did manage to clean both rifles and note it on the round count sheet. (I've no idea if I'm getting way to OCD on the target rifles or not)

Also got a bunch of brass ready for powder and bullets. So, while no actual range time was involved, range time prep did take place.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 31, 2025 07:23 PM (tT6L1)

48 yes, EdL, but a Good handful; my 2" 626 is pretty bouncy, but that's why I have it ... max output / min footprint, amirite?

of ported barrels I have no experience, let us know what you think!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 31, 2025 07:23 PM (ppG5b)

49 * taps foot and looks at RI Red*

Posted by: Ben Had at August 31, 2025 07:23 PM (dxWFK)

50 ordered it with the side charging handle because the stock was interfering a little with the one on the back of the bolt.
Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:21 PM (dmH0a)

I assume that, with a little Gargle Search, one could find a bolt for retro fitting?
The T handle charger has always been a pain.

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 07:24 PM (vY9Lp)

51 Hah, yeah, I've got range time scheduled for tomorrow too, RMBS.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 31, 2025 07:24 PM (tT6L1)

52 49 * taps foot and looks at RI Red*

Posted by: Ben Had at August 31, 2025 07:23 PM

Uh oh, I think I am seeing another possible entry onto RI Red's permanent record.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 31, 2025 07:25 PM (Jm6kM)

53 For hunters, as Weasel alluded, there is another concept, that of Maximum Point Blank Range (MBPR)

Using deer as an example, the vital zone of deer is roughly 8 inches. There are calculators that you can use to determine your zero distance. Let's say that the results say you should zero your rifle at 250 yards, and that the MPBR is 300 yards.

What this means is that if you aim at the center of the vital zone of a deer at any range between 0 and 300 yards, you will hit the vital zone. You do not need to worry about any bullet drop or holding over if the animal is within the MPBR.

Another way of thinking about this is to visualize shooting with your barrel centered inside an imaginary pipe. The size of the target determines the size of the pipe (8" in the deer example). The maximum point blank range is the furthest distance at which a bullet fired from a rifle will stay inside the pipe without hitting the top or the bottom.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 31, 2025 07:25 PM (0sNs1)

54 Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 07:24 PM (vY9Lp)
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Any halfway competent gunsmith could add that feature. It's just a hole drilled and tapped into the bolt and a threaded handle.

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:26 PM (dmH0a)

55 Shoot, did I not great our illustrious host?

Sorry about that.

Thanks again for the thread, Weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 31, 2025 07:27 PM (tT6L1)

56 * taps foot and looks at RI Red*
Posted by: Ben Had
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Uh, yeah...and the answer is?

Posted by: The Grateful at August 31, 2025 07:27 PM (IQ6Gq)

57 15,if he was still alive he would be my preferred candidate to oversee the demolition of ATF; might just have to settle for The Nuge.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 31, 2025 07:27 PM (ppG5b)

58 * taps foot and looks at RI Red*
Posted by: Ben Had
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Uh, yeah...and the answer is?
Posted by: The Grateful at August 31, 2025 07:27 PM (IQ6Gq)

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I'm expecting a mysterious new nic to appear at any moment.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 31, 2025 07:28 PM (tT6L1)

59 Good evening Weasel, and Horde members. I have no range report tonight because the visit to the range is tomorrow! But I will definitely be at TX MoMe X!!!

Posted by: The Grateful at August 31, 2025 07:28 PM (IQ6Gq)

60 58 I'm expecting a mysterious new nic to appear at any moment.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 31, 2025 07:28 PM

Like MA Blue (balls)?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 31, 2025 07:29 PM (Jm6kM)

61 taps foot and looks at RI Red*
Posted by: Ben Had at August 31, 2025 07:23 PM

Hmm. I’m actually down here in Mass to see Mrs. Red. Not really a conjugal visit - just a How ya doin, are you making bank down here? visit. And I’m working my own Recharge the Retirement Account gig.
I wonder if I dare ask her about the MoMe yet?

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 07:30 PM (vY9Lp)

62 Weasel, thanks for the gun thread. great job as always.

So Friday and Saturday most of the day we kept hearing gunfire of the semi and full automatic kind from a neighboring ranch.

Turns out they were sponsoring a weekend for Vets, Gold Star families and first responders. Guns and lots of BBQ.

Reminded me of the MOME. Isn't that coming up?

Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 07:30 PM (jblHd)

63 Hi weasel!
Thank you for the gun thread.

Range report:

Took the EMP Ronin out for a spin. Focused on grip and trigger pull. I’m trying to press my hands together and the steadying force rather than relying on gripping with my hand and fingers. It’s interesting.

Shot well.

Finished with my Ruger Mark IV at 15 yards. Such a sweet little popper.

Then picked up 1000 rounds of .45 for $460.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 31, 2025 07:30 PM (mT+6a)

64 "Approximately" Wesley?

Be better man, be better.
Posted by: haffhowershower at August 31, 2025 07:14 PM

* hangs head in shame *

1 MOA at 100 yards = 1.047197580733 inches.

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at August 31, 2025 07:31 PM (0sNs1)

65 I wonder if I dare ask her about the MoMe yet?
Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 07:30 PM (vY9Lp)
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Have you considered mentioning a slight detour on the drive home?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 31, 2025 07:31 PM (tT6L1)

66 Ben Had, how many days until the TX MoMe X?

Posted by: The Grateful at August 31, 2025 07:32 PM (IQ6Gq)

67 I want to thank the wonderful people on this thread that have decided to make MoMe X your first time.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 31, 2025 07:32 PM (dxWFK)

68 Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 07:18 PM (BCwQW)
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Afraid I'm not going to be much help. I don't have any ported revolvers and just deal with the recoil. I think compensators or muzzle brakes on rifles are retarded and annoying to others on the range.

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:32 PM (dmH0a)

69 yes, EdL, but a Good handful; my 2" 626 is pretty bouncy, but that's why I have it ... max output / min footprint, amirite?

of ported barrels I have no experience, let us know what you think!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 31, 2025 07:23 PM (ppG5b)

I'll make sure I do at least a summary on a future thread about it. Assuming that I don't beat my wrists up too much shooting it.

Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 07:32 PM (BCwQW)

70 The Grateful, 4th

Posted by: Ben Had at August 31, 2025 07:33 PM (dxWFK)

71 Any halfway competent gunsmith could add that feature. It's just a hole drilled and tapped into the bolt and a threaded handle.
Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:26 PM (dmH0a)

Aah, well. I am clearly half-competent. I might just give it a go.

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 07:33 PM (vY9Lp)

72 I wonder if I dare ask her about the MoMe yet?
Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 07:30 PM

You and DILIT need to tag team Mrs. Red.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 07:33 PM (Wnv9h)

73 Hi everybody

No range time yet. Have 5 days til my post op visit when I hopefully get released from no shower Hell but, I ditched the walker for a cane today! Making progress. Texas is within reach!
Saw an article about9 mm Hi-Point YEET Cannon M81. It is priced at $268. The reviewer was pretty high on it. It is a pretty small gun but apparently heavy. At that price it seems like a no brainer. Anyone heard of it? I'll see if I can find the link.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 07:34 PM (t/2Uw)

74 comment fail 47 days to TXMOME X

Posted by: Ben Had at August 31, 2025 07:34 PM (dxWFK)

75 If our government had any brains suppressors would be available over the counter. Like MJ in a blue state.

It's for the Kids hearing!

Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 07:34 PM (jblHd)

76 I think compensators or muzzle brakes on rifles are retarded and annoying to others on the range.
Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:32 PM (dmH0a)

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What if one is looking to annoy the competition?

....asking for a friend.....

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 31, 2025 07:35 PM (tT6L1)

77 Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 07:33 PM (vY9Lp)
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I can measure the thread depth on mine if you like. It's not much - maybe 1/4 inch at most, and the handle must remain removable to remove the bolt.

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:35 PM (dmH0a)

78 Here it is:
https://tinyurl.com/2pcdn9ca

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 07:35 PM (t/2Uw)

79 comment fail 47 days to TXMOME X
Posted by: Ben Had
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Whew, knew it wasn't 4 days, and didn't know the calculations for 4th (remember, no math on this thread)...

Posted by: The Grateful at August 31, 2025 07:36 PM (IQ6Gq)

80 68 muzzle brakes on rifles are retarded and annoying to others on the range.

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:32 PM

Hey!!! I would put a suppressor on it, but you know this whole thing with the NFA and don't get me started on NYS or NYC!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 31, 2025 07:36 PM (Jm6kM)

81 No range time yet. Have 5 days til my post op visit when I hopefully get released from no shower Hell but, I ditched the walker for a cane today! Making progress. Texas is within reach!

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 07:34 PM

Great news, sharon!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 07:36 PM (Wnv9h)

82 What if one is looking to annoy the competition?

....asking for a friend.....
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 31, 2025 07:35 PM (tT6L1)
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Unsportsmanlike and against the rules in sanctioned matches!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:36 PM (dmH0a)

83 Reminded me of the MOME. Isn't that coming up?

Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 07:30

Howdy Pete!

Are you (and your better half) going to make it this year?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 31, 2025 07:37 PM (HlyYF)

84 Thanks as ever for gubs, Weasel.

No trigger pulling this week, but much plotting and planning for same, finally got summer heat here and will wait for some cooling off.

But there’s plenty of reloading to get to. 30 carbine about finished, next is M1 food/30-06, then more 9mikemike. And need to restock 45 SWC and 45c bullets.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2025 07:39 PM (rJUaY)

85 Good idea, RMBS. I just popped my head in and she said:
1. Do you have the money?; and
2. We’ll talk about it later.

Gonna need DILIT’s intercession. . .

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 07:39 PM (vY9Lp)

86 Afraid I'm not going to be much help. I don't have any ported revolvers and just deal with the recoil. I think compensators or muzzle brakes on rifles are retarded and annoying to others on the range.
Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:32 PM (dmH0a)

I've heard and read arguments for and against porting, so I don't know if it will work for me. Agree about compensators and muzzle brakes on rifles 100%. BTW, the porting on the new Kodiak is done at Colt, so it's not a hack job by Bubba.

Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 07:39 PM (BCwQW)

87 'Gun Thread: End of August Edition'

The Guns of August

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 31, 2025 07:40 PM (3wi/L)

88 Gonna need DILIT’s intercession. . .
Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 07:39 PM

Family bonding trip!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 07:40 PM (Wnv9h)

89 Unsportsmanlike and against the rules in sanctioned matches!
Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:36 PM (dmH0a)
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Heh,

The no threads for muzzle brake build is next year. By the way, the scope I sent back to Leupold for a rebuild..I'd noticed the turrets seemed a bit indifferent, shall we see, when making adjustments before I sent it in for warranty work. That's no longer the case. Which pleases me.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 31, 2025 07:41 PM (tT6L1)

90 Ok, Range Report!

No. Didn’t I say I was down in Massachusetts?

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 07:43 PM (vY9Lp)

91 Do you think that ported barrels are effective reducing muzzle rise? Does the ported barrel make the revolver more manageable? .44 Magnum out of a 4.25" barrel has a reputation for being quite a handful. For now, I plan on sticking w/ .44 Specials when I try shooting this beast.
Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 07:18 PM

Not Weasel, but I have a small amount of relevant experience.

S&W came out with a limited run 657 (.41 Mag) with unfluted cylinders and a 6" barrel. I bought two, and sent one off to Magna-Port, which was the hot new porting for revolvers. (The used EDM to cut trapezodial ports near the end of the barrel, 2 on each side in this case.)

When it was returned, out to the range! Shooting one, then the other two-handed showed no discernable difference. The only way I detected a difference was to put the ported one in my left (non-dominant) hand, the non-ported in the right, and shoot the both simultaneously single-action, and the difference was there, but not much.

My verdict, don't bother.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 31, 2025 07:44 PM (0sNs1)

92 Sharon, glad to know you've already ditched the walker.

Looking forward to seeing you in October!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 31, 2025 07:45 PM (tT6L1)

93 90 No. Didn’t I say I was down in Massachusetts?

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 07:43 PM

Was there a strip search followed by a cavity search when you entered MA?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 31, 2025 07:45 PM (Jm6kM)

94 Two pals took turns shooting each other in the head with a rifle while wearing kevlar helmets inside a home — with one man now being charged with the other’s murder, according to authorities.

Sean O’Donnell, 37, was taken into custody at his home in Houston, Texas, on Aug. 17, in connection to the shooting death of Aaron Prout, 34, a native of the UK, according to the Harris County Sheriff’s Office.

"Hard to believe two, so-called friends, would take turns shooting at each other wearing a kevlar helmet, inside a house in a residential neighborhood, while using a rifle,” Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez wrote.

Posted by: Don't try this at home at August 31, 2025 07:45 PM (vFG9F)

95 Have you considered mentioning a slight detour on the drive home?
Posted by: blake

My idea s just leave for work as usual then show back up home a few days later, see if she even notices

Posted by: Skip at August 31, 2025 07:46 PM (+qU29)

96 Went to my first Florida gun shop. We had them in CA, but I avoided them because I knew I could not afford a purchase in that state. Anyway, at one point I picked up a Sig 9mm semi. You know when a gun feels so right the minute it's in your hand? Yeah. It was that. It will be mine. Oh yes, it will be mine...

Posted by: Joe Kidd at August 31, 2025 07:46 PM (nbLIj)

97 Sharon, glad to know you've already ditched the walker.

Looking forward to seeing you in October!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 31, 2025 07:45 PM (tT6L1)
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Damnit! Now I'm going to have to ditch all of my prepared walker ridicule and come up with cane ridicule!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:47 PM (dmH0a)

98 Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel! No Range report but I fashioned myself as a projectile off My KX 500 a couple weeks ago and don't recommend it to anyone.

Posted by: DBCooper at August 31, 2025 07:47 PM (UxKTN)

99 Was there a strip search followed by a cavity search when you entered MA?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 31, 2025 07:45 PM (Jm6kM)

Nah, Scoobs. I’m down here for business, not pleasure.

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 07:47 PM (vY9Lp)

100 Damnit! Now I'm going to have to ditch all of my prepared walker ridicule and come up with cane ridicule!
Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:47 PM (dmH0a)
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You do realize she just might swing a deadly cane, right? Somehow, I can't see Sharon wielding a walker in anger, but a cane she might be able to manage.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 31, 2025 07:48 PM (tT6L1)

101 What’s burnin tonight Weasel or others?

Montecristo Espada here on the breezy porch, after a great swim. Vietnamese iced coffee. Not too bad, better than Pokrovsk or Gaza City today anyway …..

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2025 07:48 PM (rJUaY)

102 More effective porting has been developed. I've shot a competitor's 9x25 pistol that had negative barrel rise (which was a trip, initially). For game competition, ok. For potential real-world usage, I'm not a fan of smoke and flame being vented upwards.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 31, 2025 07:48 PM (0sNs1)

103 Walkers are ridiculous.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 07:49 PM (t/2Uw)

104 Damnit! Now I'm going to have to ditch all of my prepared walker ridicule and come up with cane ridicule!
Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:47 PM (dmH0a)

And at her height, she could do some serious ankle damage!

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 07:50 PM (vY9Lp)

105 If our government had any brains suppressors would be available over the counter. Like MJ in a blue state.

It's for the Kids hearing!
Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 07:34 PM (jblHd)

I read this as "our government has brain suppressors", as in, "our government is on" brain suppressors.

Posted by: haffhowershower at August 31, 2025 07:50 PM (144I4)

106 Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2025 07:48 PM (rJUaY)
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Just finished the ol' standby Factory Smoke. May fire up something more bigly in a little bit!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:50 PM (dmH0a)

107 "Approximately" Wesley?

Be better man, be better.
Posted by: haffhowershower at August 31, 2025 07:14 PM

* hangs head in shame *

1 MOA at 100 yards = 1.047197580733 inches.
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at August 31, 2025 07:31 PM (0sNs1)

That's our Wesley! Much better Wesley, thank you.

Posted by: haffhowershower at August 31, 2025 07:51 PM (144I4)

108 And at her height, she could do some serious ankle damage!

Posted by: RI Red

Hey!

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 07:51 PM (t/2Uw)

109 My brain is naturally suppressed.

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:51 PM (dmH0a)

110 Besides, I might have gained an inch since the surgery.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 07:52 PM (t/2Uw)

111 Hey, Sharon!
Glad things are going well.

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 07:52 PM (vY9Lp)

112 Saw an article about9 mm Hi-Point YEET Cannon M81. It is priced at $268. The reviewer was pretty high on it. It is a pretty small gun but apparently heavy. At that price it seems like a no brainer.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 07:34 PM

Howdy sharon, glad you are feeling better!

I have had a Hi-Point JHP in .45 for about 10 years when Cabela's had a ridiculous special price.

It is a beast on weight, but that makes it pretty low recoil to me. (However, in real life I may be a couple of sizes larger than you.) It is my "truck gun" so I always have it with me on the road, working at the farm, etc.

I have never had a single problem with the gun. However, I have twice had gun noobs shoot it and manage to get a FTE. (Maybe limp-wristing because they were worried about the .45 boom?)

I consider Hi-Points to be a good "value" gun. They are usually (always?) blow-back operated so they will be heavier than the more typical operation.

That may make less felt recoil? If you want to shoot snappy +P 9mm rounds it may be a perfect choice. Otherwise, in my (non-expert) opinion you might enjoy an alternate more.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 31, 2025 07:53 PM (HlyYF)

113 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 07:34 PM (t/2Uw)

Good to hear that you're improving, Sharon!
About the Yeet Cannon, the main complaints I've heard are 1) the ergonomics, and 2) it's a High Point. Which means that if you decide to sell it, it might be difficult to find a buyer for it used. Will it get the job done? Absolutely. But for a couple hundred more, you can get something with better, proven ergonomics. Examples include the Girsan High Power clone or Tisas/Rock Island 1911 clone.

Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 07:53 PM (BCwQW)

114 103 Walkers are ridiculous.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 07:49 PM
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Joggers and bicyclists are ridiculous too.

Posted by: TRex - active dino at August 31, 2025 07:53 PM (IQ6Gq)

115 Might be a good day for indoor range tomorrow.

Posted by: Eromero at August 31, 2025 07:54 PM (DXbAa)

116 Besides, I might have gained an inch since the surgery.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 07:52 PM (t/2Uw)
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Great, that means my shins are no longer safe.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 31, 2025 07:55 PM (tT6L1)

117 When it was returned, out to the range! Shooting one, then the other two-handed showed no discernable difference. The only way I detected a difference was to put the ported one in my left (non-dominant) hand, the non-ported in the right, and shoot the both simultaneously single-action, and the difference was there, but not much.

My verdict, don't bother.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 31, 2025 07:44 PM

Wow, Duncanthrax. Thanks for running that experiment for the benefit of the rest of the Morons!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 31, 2025 07:55 PM (HlyYF)

118 Besides, I might have gained an inch since the surgery.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 07:52 PM (t/2Uw

Low hanging softball over the plate.
Which true gentlemen will ignore.

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 07:55 PM (vY9Lp)

119
Great, that means my shins are no longer safe.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 31, 2025 07:55 PM (tT6L1)
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Two words: ninja cane.

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 07:56 PM (dmH0a)

120 Walkers are ridiculous.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 07:49 PM

I dunno, the Outlaw Josey Wales did pretty good with a pair of them.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 31, 2025 07:57 PM (0sNs1)

121 I doubt resale is a consideration on a $280 gun but it seemed like it would be a good bedside table gun. If you read the article they put a flashlight on it. it didn;t seem like it wouldn't be an every day thing or one for fun, I'm pretty happy with my Glocks, but it seemed like it had a place in the hierarchy.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 07:57 PM (t/2Uw)

122 My verdict, don't bother.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 31, 2025 07:44 PM (0sNs1)

Roger that. I won't expect much recoil reduction when shooting .44 Special, then.

Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 07:58 PM (BCwQW)

123 No Range report but I fashioned myself as a projectile off My KX 500 a couple weeks ago and don't recommend it to anyone.

Posted by: DBCooper at August 31, 2025 07:47 PM

Sorry to hear that DB.

Did you suffer anything more than the road rash? (Which still doesn't feel very good even after you slap some hot iron to it.)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 31, 2025 07:58 PM (HlyYF)

124 This isn't really a hatchet thread. Videos from Britain about Hatchet Girl are losing audio a little ways in. Coincidence?

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 31, 2025 07:59 PM (3ljWY)

125 What’s burnin tonight Weasel or others?

Montecristo Espada here on the breezy porch, after a great swim. Vietnamese iced coffee. Not too bad, better than Pokrovsk or Gaza City today anyway …..
Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2025 07:48 PM (rJUaY)

Partagas. I was a big fan until Senior Sifuentes passed away. General Cigar was a major disappointment after that. This one is ok. I might come back to it.. The 898 was my go to back in the day. The Black Label was a thing of beauty. This is a Connecticut wrapped double Toro. Pretty nice...

Posted by: Joe Kidd at August 31, 2025 08:00 PM (nbLIj)

126 No Range report but I fashioned myself as a projectile off My KX 500 a couple weeks ago and don't recommend it to anyone.

Posted by: DBCooper at August 31, 2025 07:47 PM

I understand you may have a problem going through metal detectors now?

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 08:00 PM (vY9Lp)

127 Evening, Weasel and Gun Thread Horde!

No gub stuff to report, but the project '99 Suburban lives! The transplanted engine and me-built transmission are playing nice together. I am going to have buy a new battery. And windshield wiper blades. But I drove it 4 miles, and no leaks or smoke, or expensive-sounding noises.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 31, 2025 08:00 PM (2WRlI)

128 Glad you all talked me through the Hi Point. I really think my next gun should be a rifle anyways.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 08:01 PM (t/2Uw)

129 Hey Pillage I, Yes we will. Looking forward to seeing everyone. I’ll try not to hide in the kitchen.

Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 08:01 PM (jblHd)

130 Pillage Idiot-
I managed to break my left shoulder blade in 5 pieces, broke my right hand, left foot, ribs 2 &3 on left side, lost a big toenail
and have a huge hematoma on my left hip. Week in the hosp, 2 plates and 14 screws in my shoulder blade. My Sunday Gun Tread Cigar is an Ashton Symmetry Robusto, some Balvenie Double-Cask and 2 Oxycodone..

Posted by: DBCooper at August 31, 2025 08:03 PM (UxKTN)

131 Posted by: DBCooper at August 31, 2025 08:03 PM (UxKTN)
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The toenail sounds serious. Wishing you a speedy recovery!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 08:04 PM (dmH0a)

132 Ouch, DB! I hope you're healing up after that.

Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 08:04 PM (BCwQW)

133 No gub stuff to report, but the project '99 Suburban lives! The transplanted engine and me-built transmission are playing nice together. I am going to have buy a new battery. And windshield wiper blades. But I drove it 4 miles, and no leaks or smoke, or expensive-sounding noises.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
************
Impressive my friend, truly impressive.

Posted by: The Grateful at August 31, 2025 08:05 PM (IQ6Gq)

134 I managed to break my left shoulder blade in 5 pieces, broke my right hand, left foot, ribs 2 &3 on left side, lost a big toenail
and have a huge hematoma on my left hip. Week in the hosp, 2 plates and 14 screws in my shoulder blade.
Posted by: DBCooper at August 31, 2025 08:03 PM (UxKTN)

No one ever said jumping off the rear stair of a 727 while in flight, in the dark, was without hazard.

Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 08:05 PM (jblHd)

135 Roger that. I won't expect much recoil reduction when shooting .44 Special, then.
Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 07:58 PM

No, and the 4+ inch barrel will have less of a lever-arm than a 6". A good set of stocks will do more for shooting comfort than a comp, I suspect.

I have a 629 Mountain Gun in .44M, and it's shootable with it's Hogues. I probably wouldn't enjoy 200+ round sessions, but 50 is eminently doable.

I'm intrigued by the new run(s) of Mountain Guns. I deeply regret not getting one in .357 back in the day; one of the new ones (when they finally aren't unobtainium) may find its way home.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 31, 2025 08:05 PM (0sNs1)

136 129 Hey Pillage I, Yes we will. Looking forward to seeing everyone. I’ll try not to hide in the kitchen.

Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 08:01 PM

I hereby volunteer to be the official poison taster for MoMeX, and will therefore be allowed into the kitchen to sample your fine cuisine ... until Cow Horse Queen chases me out of the house.

P.S. If the bacon is poisoned with a very low dose, how many pieces do I have to eat to determine if it is safe for everyone else?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 31, 2025 08:05 PM (HlyYF)

137 Ok, cigar aficionados:
What cigar would you recommend for a virgin (almost) cigar smoker, who wants to light up in good company and enjoy the camaraderie and experience on a Texas fall night?
Asking for a friend, of course.

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 08:06 PM (vY9Lp)

138 RI Red, Yes, between the two in my shoulder and the one in my neck, I have 3 plates and I think 22 screws. Someone should cremate me and take me to recycle when I die.

Posted by: DBCooper at August 31, 2025 08:06 PM (UxKTN)

139 Glad you all talked me through the Hi Point. I really think my next gun should be a rifle anyways.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 08:01 PM

You never did get to put any rounds through my rifle last year. We'll have to fix that soon.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 08:07 PM (Wnv9h)

140 What cigar would you recommend for a virgin (almost) cigar smoker, who wants to light up in good company and enjoy the camaraderie and experience on a Texas fall night?
Asking for a friend, of course.
Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 08:06 PM

Swisher Sweets have been spoken of on this Thread before.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 31, 2025 08:07 PM (0sNs1)

141 I managed to break my left shoulder blade in 5 pieces, broke my right hand, left foot, ribs 2 &3 on left side, lost a big toenail
and have a huge hematoma on my left hip. Week in the hosp, 2 plates and 14 screws in my shoulder blade.
posted by DBCooper
************
Yikes. Prayers up for a complete recovery, and soon!

Posted by: The Grateful at August 31, 2025 08:08 PM (IQ6Gq)

142 Dunanthrax, Swisher Sweets relieved me of the virgin experience.

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 08:08 PM (vY9Lp)

143 DB, wow. Glad you’re with us, obviously still functioning, and sense of humor intact.

Imagine it’ll be some time before you’re back in the cockpit? This fire season is out.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2025 08:11 PM (rJUaY)

144 I managed to break my left shoulder blade in 5 pieces, broke my right hand, left foot, ribs 2 &3 on left side, lost a big toenail
and have a huge hematoma on my left hip. Week in the hosp, 2 plates and 14 screws in my shoulder blade.

Posted by: DBCooper at August 31, 2025 08:03 PM

Crap! I asked, hoping it was minor and you had a pretty encouraging report and a funny story.

Sounds like you truly were a projectile.

My wife was recently debilitated by a broken wrist that required a plate to repair. She feels bad calling me to move stuff, but I tell her not to worry about it because her messing up a surgery recovery is a much worse option.

I hope you can repair and heal very well and get back close to your normal operations in the not too distant future.

Prayers sent.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 31, 2025 08:11 PM (HlyYF)

145 P.S. If the bacon is poisoned with a very low dose, how many pieces do I have to eat to determine if it is safe for everyone else?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
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None, if it's poisoned. I'm beginning to appreciate your name more....

Posted by: The Grateful at August 31, 2025 08:11 PM (IQ6Gq)

146 DBCooper!

You dork! Do I need to wrap you in plastic bubble wrap?

We need you fighting fires, not pretending to be Evel Knievel!

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 31, 2025 08:12 PM (mT+6a)

147 Dinner bell is ringing.

Hope everyone has a good Moron week.

Thanks for the gubs thread Weasel!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 31, 2025 08:13 PM (HlyYF)

148 What cigar would you recommend for a virgin (almost) cigar smoker, who wants to light up in good company and enjoy the camaraderie and experience on a Texas fall night?
Asking for a friend, of course.
Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 08:06 PM
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Swisher Sweets have been spoken of on this Thread before.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 31, 2025

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Ashton makes some slim cigarillos that are perfect for a ten-minute smoke, to get you used to the feel and aroma of a cigar without loading you with nicotine.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 31, 2025 08:13 PM (omVj0)

149 140 What cigar would you recommend for a virgin (almost) cigar smoker, who wants to light up in good company and enjoy the camaraderie and experience on a Texas fall night?
Asking for a friend, of course.
Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 08:06 PM

Cohiba Red Label. I'll bring a tin of miniatures....

Posted by: Joe Kidd at August 31, 2025 08:13 PM (nbLIj)

150 "no leaks or smoke, or expensive-sounding noises.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon"

The wonderful feeling of success. Crack a cold one, AOP!

Posted by: fd at August 31, 2025 08:14 PM (vFG9F)

151 rhomboid-
Yes I'm out of flying for sure for awhile. Guy that did my shoulder is a great sports shoulder surgeon and it's coming along nicely. I'm pretty banged up though.

Posted by: DBCooper at August 31, 2025 08:14 PM (UxKTN)

152 RMBS, I will hold you to that. I really do want to buy a rifle so if any of you have anything I can try out in Texas that you think might work for me, I'm game.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 08:15 PM (t/2Uw)

153 DBCooper, glad you're able to report but, this sounds like a whole body is complaining deal.

Definitely prayers for quick healing.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 31, 2025 08:15 PM (tT6L1)

154 And Sharon

Walkers are actually the best thing to use right now. It keeps you from favoring one side. It makes you walk intentionally. You have to go slow and because both your hands/arms are full you can’t do stupid shit. If your Walker is fit correctly, you walk upright.

Use the damn thing.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 31, 2025 08:15 PM (mT+6a)

155 RI Red, connecticut wrappers are a standard (and logical) first choice for intro to cigars.

Some good ones I can reco:

Oliva Connecticut Reserve
Aroma de Cuba Connecticut
Charter Oak Connecticut

And don’t hesitate to check UToob videos on basics of cutting/lighting if you’re not familiar. Little things can help make for a better experience.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2025 08:15 PM (rJUaY)

156 No, and the 4+ inch barrel will have less of a lever-arm than a 6". A good set of stocks will do more for shooting comfort than a comp, I suspect.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 31, 2025 08:05 PM (0sNs1)

The new Colt Kodiaks come with Hogue rubber "Gripper" stocks out of the box. The .357 Magnum counterpart of the Kodiak is the Colt Grizzly. I would have preferred the Grizzly over the Kodiak, but the deep discount on the MSRP price reeled me in.

Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 08:16 PM (BCwQW)

157 There are also mini-cigars by Romeo y Julieta, in three grades, red tin, white, and blue. I think that's in order from strongest to mildest. I've smoked the blue. The only problem with them, if it can be called a problem, is that they are a five-minute smoke, and then it's all over.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 31, 2025 08:16 PM (omVj0)

158 New p365xl here.
Love this new machine!

Posted by: Elrond Hubbard at August 31, 2025 08:16 PM (ekM0A)

159 Cohiba and Ashton, very good. I understand that Scotch enhances the experience?

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 08:17 PM (vY9Lp)

160 I managed to break my left shoulder blade in 5 pieces, broke my right hand, left foot, ribs 2 &3 on left side, lost a big toenail
and have a huge hematoma on my left hip. Week in the hosp, 2 plates and 14 screws in my shoulder blade. My Sunday Gun Tread Cigar is an Ashton Symmetry Robusto, some Balvenie Double-Cask and 2 Oxycodone..
Posted by: DBCooper at August 31, 2025 08:03 PM (UxKTN)

Yikes! Sounds like that cycle bucked you off with prejudice!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 31, 2025 08:17 PM (2WRlI)

161 Hi Nurse! Yes bubble-wrap, and lots of it would have been greatly preferred prior to crashing.

Posted by: DBCooper at August 31, 2025 08:18 PM (UxKTN)

162 There are also mini-cigars by Romeo y Julieta, in three grades, red tin, white, and blue. I think that's in order from strongest to mildest. I've smoked the blue. The only problem with them, if it can be called a problem, is that they are a five-minute smoke, and then it's all over.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

Lordy you must have a powerful puff. Those little guys take me 20 minutes at least.

Posted by: She Hobbit at August 31, 2025 08:18 PM (ftFVW)

163 Cohiba and Ashton, very good. I understand that Scotch enhances the experience?
Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025

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Since I haven't been a drinker since Reagan was in his second term, I can't say. Scotch and other whiskies used to work for me with pipe tobacco, but I never tried cigars back then.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 31, 2025 08:19 PM (omVj0)

164 Good ideas above from JoeKidd and Wolfus. Cigarillos or petit coronas are a way to experience the cigar thing with minimal time and commitment.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2025 08:20 PM (rJUaY)

165 There are also mini-cigars by Romeo y Julieta, in three grades, red tin, white, and blue. I think that's in order from strongest to mildest. I've smoked the blue. The only problem with them, if it can be called a problem, is that they are a five-minute smoke, and then it's all over.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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Lordy you must have a powerful puff. Those little guys take me 20 minutes at least.
Posted by: She Hobbit at August 31, 2025

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I guess I must puff too fast. A problem for me with my pipes too.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 31, 2025 08:20 PM (omVj0)

166 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 08:15 PM

👍

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 08:20 PM (Wnv9h)

167 Well, time to wander. Have a good one! Later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 31, 2025 08:21 PM (tT6L1)

168 The only problem with them, if it can be called a problem, is that they are a five-minute smoke, and then it's all over.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 31, 2025 08:16 PM (omVj0)

A perfect match!

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 08:21 PM (vY9Lp)

169 The wonderful feeling of success. Crack a cold one, AOP!
Posted by: fd at August 31, 2025 08:14 PM (vFG9F)

When I first started it, and put it in gear, nothing happened. I had an "OH SHIT!" moment. But it was just that the initial fill of 4 quarts of ATF was not enough. Another 2, and went into gear smartly. Took 4 more to get it to read on the dipstick.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 31, 2025 08:21 PM (2WRlI)

170 Lordy you must have a powerful puff. Those little guys take me 20 minutes at least.
Posted by: She Hobbit at August 31, 2025

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Do you pause frequently between puffs? If I let too much time go by between puffs with my pipe, of course, it goes out. Relighting is easy, but annoying. The cigarillo will stay lit, but I have no place at present to put it like an ashtray on a chairside table on my porch . . . because I have no porch.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 31, 2025 08:22 PM (omVj0)

171 I guess I must puff too fast. A problem for me with my pipes too.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

Could be just me with my dainty lady hobbit ways.

Posted by: She Hobbit at August 31, 2025 08:23 PM (ftFVW)

172 DB, my apologies. Didn’t realize that your injuries were recent. I wouldn’t have been making light.

Here’s to a Speedy recovery.

Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 08:24 PM (jblHd)

173 RI Red pairing with drinks can be challenging (if you don’t want to change/overwhelm/etc the cigar part).

I reco just coffee for intro experiences.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2025 08:24 PM (rJUaY)

174 Cohiba and Ashton, very good. I understand that Scotch enhances the experience?
Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 08:17 PM (vY9Lp)

Talisker, if you insist...

Posted by: Joe Kidd at August 31, 2025 08:24 PM (nbLIj)

175 The only problem with them, if it can be called a problem, is that they are a five-minute smoke, and then it's all over.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 31, 2025
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A perfect match!
Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025

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The longer Ashton cigarillos last me about ten minutes. You get ten in a pack of those, whereas you get twenty in the R y J tin.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 31, 2025 08:24 PM (omVj0)

176 "When you think about it, there is great significance to the passage of time"
-Albert Einstein, probably
At the debut of the gun thread I had never been closer to a firearm than the hip of whatever police officer had pulled me over.
Now that I've damaged myself to the point of being bedridden for a while the most productive thing I can think of to do, the only thing keeping me focused through interminable hours of tedium, is ordering and waiting for a 7mm08 BLR. Even the last 2 word-ish formations of that previous sentence would have been gobbledeegook to me not 24 months ago.
You're a good influence, Weasel.

Posted by: Nato at August 31, 2025 08:24 PM (pBz/W)

177 Posted by: She Hobbit at August 31, 2025 08:23 PM (ftFVW)
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I have a mental note to bring a nice cigar for you this year!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 08:25 PM (dmH0a)

178 I dunno Nurse. The PT guy was pretty impressed with how i was doing saying that he thought I would be able to ditch the walker. I'll check tomorrow with the Ortho and have post op on Fri. Start outpatient PT on 9/8.
Had both my boys here today for a big psychological boost.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 08:25 PM (t/2Uw)

179 but I have no place at present to put it like an ashtray on a chairside table on my porch . . . because I have no porch.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 31, 2025 08:22 PM (omVj0)

That's OK. I can paint Ferraris, too.

Posted by: That Hooker who will do anything for a hundred bucks. at August 31, 2025 08:25 PM (2WRlI)

180 Hey Pete-
No worries, I lived and we can joke about it so all good!

Posted by: DBCooper at August 31, 2025 08:25 PM (UxKTN)

181 This is gun related I guess.

As Gov. Prick-Sitzer says that Illinois likes their crime, thank you very much, 5 killed and 30 wounded in Chicago on Labor Day weekend. Sad part is that there is still one more day to go in that weekend.

Posted by: haffhowershower at August 31, 2025 08:26 PM (144I4)

182 I don't usually have content relevant to the Guns (or Arms) Thread.
Anyway presently the Vicar Of God is interceding for us sinners that we be relieved of the burden of bearing arms. According to the Heir Of Saint Peter, guns killed those children in Minneapolis; not the ?man who wielded them.
tinyurl.com/6stk78zk
He calls it a "pandemic", interestingly.

Posted by: gKWVE at August 31, 2025 08:26 PM (gKWVE)

183 Personally I love the look of the Makarov pistol. It looks like it would fit my hand, like a Walther PP. But the ammo is not standard 9mm; so I suspect it would be hard to find, and expensive once found.

We have two or three gun ranges/stores in the local area. I need to make a visit to each.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 31, 2025 08:27 PM (omVj0)

184 You're a good influence, Weasel.
Posted by: Nato at August 31, 2025 08:24 PM (pBz/
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Ha! Thanks, but I've never heard those words in that order!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 08:27 PM (dmH0a)

185 I reco just coffee for intro experiences.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2025 08:24 PM (rJUaY)

Sounds like a morning at Weasel’s Safety Briefing, then an evening around the fire pit for both experiences.

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 08:28 PM (vY9Lp)

186 Wolfus smoking cigars too fast definitely can change/ruin the experience. They heat up too much, Big part of the art of blending is matching combustion rates for wrapper binder and filler. And the flavor profile can be greatly affected by too-rapid smoking. Conventional wisdom is 30-45 seconds between puffs.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2025 08:29 PM (rJUaY)

187 Could be just me with my dainty lady hobbit ways.
Posted by: She Hobbit at August 31, 2025 08:23 PM (ftFVW)

Ooh! With minis, you can have secondsies, elevenses, etc, etc...

Posted by: haffhowershower at August 31, 2025 08:31 PM (144I4)

188 Conventional wisdom is 30-45 seconds between puffs.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2025 08:29 PM (rJUaY)

*more notes*

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 08:31 PM (vY9Lp)

189 Wolfus smoking cigars too fast definitely can change/ruin the experience. They heat up too much, Big part of the art of blending is matching combustion rates for wrapper binder and filler. And the flavor profile can be greatly affected by too-rapid smoking. Conventional wisdom is 30-45 seconds between puffs.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2025

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I smoke them (in contrast to my pipes) only outdoors, and I have no chair or table arrangement to set the cigar down. So I end up either having to hold it, or puffing the little thing too fast, I guess. Maybe the cigar experience is something I need to put aside until I can do it right.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 31, 2025 08:31 PM (omVj0)

190 Wolfus smoking cigars too fast definitely can change/ruin the experience. They heat up too much, Big part of the art of blending is matching combustion rates for wrapper binder and filler. And the flavor profile can be greatly affected by too-rapid smoking. Conventional wisdom is 30-45 seconds between puffs.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2025 08:29 PM (rJUaY)

So, fundamentals.

Posted by: haffhowershower at August 31, 2025 08:32 PM (144I4)

191 Weasel, your thoughts about backup iron sights in addition to any optics on the rifle? I still zero backup irons in addition to any optics because my Army training says you can't always count on your optics (batteries run low, glass gets damaged, etc.). But I see increasing numbers of new rifles come w/o any irons at all, leaving it up to the users to mount backup iron sights. I can see where this would save time and $$, but I can still hear the marksmanship training NCOs telling us that you never know when your optics will fail you.

Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 08:32 PM (BCwQW)

192 Re shooting- put my 1866 Uberti back together. I pulled it down for a thorough clean’n’lube just before I cut my left hand. I’m still in the splint much of the time. Tried to run the rifle dry - no go. Left hand is still too weak, stiff, and painful.
Hope everyone has a great Labor Day and a wonderful week following
Thank you Weasel for the Gun Thread and the great content.

Posted by: Coelacanth at August 31, 2025 08:32 PM (kxQW1)

193 thx, EdL!

maybe wear a wrist brace (prophylactically) the first few times?

did that with my knees a couple years ago when I had set 'run this trail end-to-end' as one of my goals for that year. bought an extra one so brace on both knees. all went well. jus' sayin' ...

just. in. case.

bought the 629 snubbie about 40 years ago, so i'm used to it ... and still have it in the carry rota for when I go Up Norf ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 31, 2025 08:32 PM (ppG5b)

194 Weasel does a safety briefing? Next you will tell me he stresses fundamentals and safe range practices.

Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 08:33 PM (jblHd)

195 I have not had a cigar in several years. One reason, my wife hates the smell of it, and that includes residual odor on my clothes. So, I just don't smoke much.

But: in a couple of weeks our land survey department will be going on a camping trip on the south fork of the Boise. Because of our geriatric cat, my bride will not be attending. I plan on capitalizing on that. I need to ask my buddies at work what they recommend for a good cigar shop.

Posted by: Mikey Alpha Kilo, Nobody Reads My Posts at August 31, 2025 08:33 PM (0aYVJ)

196 The longer Ashton cigarillos last me about ten minutes. You get ten in a pack of those, whereas you get twenty in the R y J tin.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

Oh, no wondering if it's a different RyJ tin. The ones I get come with 6 that are more like a mini cigar than cigarillo. Gotta cut em and they're a lil fatter than typical cigarillo.

Posted by: She Hobbit at August 31, 2025 08:33 PM (ftFVW)

197 I have a mental note to bring a nice cigar for you this year!
Posted by: Weasel

Ha! I said dainty not fancy.

Posted by: She Hobbit at August 31, 2025 08:34 PM (ZEfEZ)

198 Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 08:32 PM (BCwQW)
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Agree with the concept of co-witnessing the sights, but honestly only have optics on my competition guns. Everything else has irons only.

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 08:34 PM (dmH0a)

199 For Chiraq shootin’ data, visit heyjackass.com. Amazing site that tracks Chicago shootings like a stock analysis site following equities or business sectors.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2025 08:35 PM (rJUaY)

200 jeezeley crow I could so smoke a cigar right about now ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 31, 2025 08:35 PM (ppG5b)

201 So, Weasel, how's life without the soul-crushing anxiety of wondering if there would be an 0700 hours Zoom call on Monday morning from an emotionally-distraught Ewok?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 31, 2025 08:35 PM (0sNs1)

202 Weasel does a safety briefing? Next you will tell me he stresses fundamentals and safe range practices.
Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 08:33 PM (jblHd)
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He really is kind of an asshole, this weasel guy.

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 08:35 PM (dmH0a)

203 Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 31, 2025 08:27 PM (omVj0)

A lot of the cheap 9mm Makarov ammo is imported from Eastern European nations. It's become a pawn in the tariff wars between the US and EU because of that. It can still be found, but it's now running around $0.40 per round on SG Ammo.

Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 08:36 PM (BCwQW)

204 Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 31, 2025 08:35 PM (0sNs1)
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Great!

I'm also a little surprised how much I don't miss working!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 08:36 PM (dmH0a)

205 Coelacanth how is that 1866 break-down? I am hesitant. Guess it’s really just about getting the side-plate off?

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2025 08:37 PM (rJUaY)

206 safety, amirite?

guns are intrinsically unsafe ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 31, 2025 08:37 PM (ppG5b)

207 Ooh! With minis, you can have secondsies, elevenses, etc, etc...
Posted by: haffhowershower

When Weasel mentioned cigars bright and early at 0800 on the carport I immediately thought of minis... seems like a good breakfast sized cigar. And second breakfast, too.

Posted by: She Hobbit at August 31, 2025 08:38 PM (ZEfEZ)

208 Weasel does a safety briefing? Next you will tell me he stresses fundamentals and safe range practices.
Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 08:33 PM (jblHd)
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He really is kind of an asshole, this weasel guy.
Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 08:35 PM (dmH0a)

The reason for my intro to cigars query.
Ain’t no way I’m going to show up with a wobbly shit cigar!

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 08:38 PM (vY9Lp)

209 I squadded with Lena at this year's IPSC Nats! I'm the guy in the background with the goofy broad-brimmed hat. Her crew was pretty chill and they were good squadmates. In spite of all the video and talk-to-the-camera breaks, they did their fair share of resetting and were not jerks about borderline scoring calls. Would squad with again.
Shooting-wise, I... did not do as well I might have hoped. This is mostly because my fundamentals have gotten weak lately. My grip is out of balance, my trigger control is sloppy, and I had a couple of serious mental mistakes. But I have only myself to blame. Never stop practicing the basics, kids.

Posted by: Dr. Doghouse at August 31, 2025 08:38 PM (q1Lk8)

210 Ha! I said dainty not fancy.
Posted by: She Hobbit at August 31, 2025 08:34 PM (ZEfEZ)

Just extend your pinkie...

Posted by: Joe Kidd at August 31, 2025 08:38 PM (nbLIj)

211 204, lol, surprising! enjoy!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 31, 2025 08:38 PM (ppG5b)

212 I have a rebarreling question. I have an AR made by gryphon. It appears the flash suppressor was placed on the barrel with loctite, making it impossible to fit a suppressor.

The biggest hole in my armament cabinet is a capable long range rifle in .223. If I were to buy a different barrel what length and twist rate would be recommended? Favorite brands would also be appreciated. Thanks for your advice.

Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 08:39 PM (jblHd)

213 Wow about that 9mm Mak ammo pricing, but makes sense. Used to be one of the com-bloc spectacular deals, gun and ammo for very little.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2025 08:40 PM (rJUaY)

214 When Weasel mentioned cigars bright and early at 0800 on the carport I immediately thought of minis... seems like a good breakfast sized cigar. And second breakfast, too.
Posted by: She Hobbit at August 31, 2025 08:38 PM (ZEfEZ)
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I have traveled a bit, and one of my favorite places in the world is that carport. I try to be out there when the sun comes up!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 08:40 PM (dmH0a)

215 He really is kind of an asshole, this weasel guy.
Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 08:35 PM

Better an asshole than having unplanned extra holes.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 08:40 PM (Wnv9h)

216 Agree with the concept of co-witnessing the sights, but honestly only have optics on my competition guns. Everything else has irons only.
Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 08:34 PM (dmH0a)

Thanks, Weasel. I'll continue to use backup irons because they're relatively cheap and don't add much weight to the rifle. It's a small price to pay for peace of mind.

Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 08:41 PM (BCwQW)

217 " Never stop practicing the basics, kids."

there is iron in the doctor's words.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 31, 2025 08:41 PM (ppG5b)

218 Any chance of a class on maintenance at this year’s TXMoMe? I could use some instruction on proper care.

Posted by: Caiwyn at August 31, 2025 08:41 PM (ZtAny)

219 Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 08:39 PM (jblHd)
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First decide on the bullet you plan to shoot!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 08:41 PM (dmH0a)

220 Had both my boys here today for a big psychological boost.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 08:25 PM (t/2Uw)

Best medicine ever.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 31, 2025 08:42 PM (jCSNK)

221 Doghouse, wow. Shooting with Miculek. Take it you are a serious competitive shooter.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2025 08:43 PM (rJUaY)

222 The longer Ashton cigarillos last me about ten minutes. You get ten in a pack of those, whereas you get twenty in the R y J tin.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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Oh, no wondering if it's a different RyJ tin. The ones I get come with 6 that are more like a mini cigar than cigarillo. Gotta cut em and they're a lil fatter than typical cigarillo.
Posted by: She Hobbit at August 31, 2025

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Yours must be, She Hobbit. These are slim, and need no cutting prior to lighting up.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 31, 2025 08:44 PM (omVj0)

223 The biggest hole in my armament cabinet is a capable long range rifle in .223. If I were to buy a different barrel what length and twist rate would be recommended? Favorite brands would also be appreciated. Thanks for your advice.
Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 08:39 PM

So you have *all* of the .41 Mag 'holes' checked?

Going on an AR, any gas block length concerns (meaning can you go 20" or longer)? You're going to want to go heavy, so fast twist.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 31, 2025 08:44 PM (0sNs1)

224 Any chance of a class on maintenance at this year’s TXMoMe? I could use some instruction on proper care.
Posted by: Caiwyn at August 31, 2025 08:41 PM (ZtAny)
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Like gun cleaning maintenance? I've wanted to include that for some time but need a volunteer to run the class.

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 08:45 PM (dmH0a)

225 & if i'm'a hit the trails early tomorrow it's g'night to allayouse from Chateau D'Eez!

fundamentals!

and head onna swivel!

& always opsec, opsec, opsec!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 31, 2025 08:45 PM (ppG5b)

226 I own no optics. I am not a good customer for the gun accessories industry.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2025 08:46 PM (rJUaY)

227 Posted by: Dr. Doghouse at August 31, 2025 08:38 PM (q1Lk

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Welcome to the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 08:47 PM (dmH0a)

228 oh & thank you Weasel for the best thread of the week!

give them cute lil' dogs a treat from Unka Sock, ok?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 31, 2025 08:47 PM (ppG5b)

229 Pete- I chased that long-range dragon in a gas-gun and wish I had all my money back. I did it in the form of a re-barrelled .308 into 6.5 Creedmoor AR. I wouldn't be completely trustworthy of that gas-gun beyond 800 meters and my Bolt gun will do almost twice that, 1560ish.
Too much stuff going on in an AR to be really Long-Range.

Posted by: DBCooper at August 31, 2025 08:48 PM (UxKTN)

230 I'm also a little surprised how much I don't miss working!
Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025

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I stopped missing work the afternoon of my last day, on my way home.

Actually that's not true. I stopped caring at all about work (while still doing my job, somehow) during the Sniffle Scare, when my long-time employer threatened me with termination if I didn't take the clot shot. And when I saw how completely they had bought into the Big Lie, I lost all respect for the supposedly learned and reasoning people around me.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 31, 2025 08:49 PM (omVj0)

231 Like gun cleaning maintenance? I've wanted to include that for some time but need a volunteer to run the class.
Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 08:45 PM (dmH0a

I volunteer as Tribute!

Seriously, assuming I have been granted leave, I could do that.

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 08:49 PM (vY9Lp)

232 RMBS, I will hold you to that. I really do want to buy a rifle so if any of you have anything I can try out in Texas that you think might work for me, I'm game.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 08:15 PM (t/2Uw)

When I was considering driving, I was going to bring my S&W Stealth Hunter in .357 Mag for folks to try. Now that I'm flying to DFW, I probably won't bring any gubs a'tall.

Posted by: That SOB Van at August 31, 2025 08:50 PM (TjdQE)

233 Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 31, 2025 08:47 PM (ppG5b)
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You bet, bro!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 08:51 PM (dmH0a)

234 224, worst comes to worst, + i get to momee, I would do that ...

was considering an intro to hamradio thing for momee too, but actually getting there is still ... iffy? problematic? *redacted*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 31, 2025 08:51 PM (ppG5b)

235 Van Owen, dammit! Stupid new computer

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at August 31, 2025 08:51 PM (TjdQE)

236 I just had an Oliva Nub Black Swan. Nice... semi-short smoke and very creamy and mild.

The Bourbon probably helped.

YMMV

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 31, 2025 08:52 PM (Q4IgG)

237 Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 08:49 PM (vY9Lp)
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Let's discuss. Will need a firm commitment if we're going to set it up and put it on the schedule. Thanks

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 08:52 PM (dmH0a)

238 *fistbump!*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 31, 2025 08:52 PM (ppG5b)

239 Roger that.

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 08:53 PM (vY9Lp)

240 Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 08:39 PM (jblHd)

If cost is no object, go w/ H&K. They're offering 16" and 11" MR556A4 uppers for a MILSPEC lower for $2,179. Their Labor Day sale gives you a 10% discount on that. The primary plus for H&K is that they will give you a lifetime guarantee of 1 MOA accuracy (or better) on their barrels. If it slips to 2 MOA, H&K says they'll replace it for free. The 9 Hole Reviews guys hit targets at 800 yards with a 16" barreled MR 556A4 using 77 grain IMI surplus ammo. That's well beyond what you'd expect 5.56mm to reach.

Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 08:53 PM (BCwQW)

241 No range report for me, either. Shooting will happen tomorrow.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

Gonna be crowded. Everybody goes on Labor Day.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 31, 2025 08:54 PM (/lPRQ)

242 IMI surplus is good stuff!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 31, 2025 08:54 PM (ppG5b)

243 I'm out.
Have a good week all.
Thanks Weasel.
I so needed this.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 31, 2025 08:55 PM (t/2Uw)

244 Pete Bog - look at the upper on the AR in the video. I set that up as a 600yd match gun.

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 08:55 PM (dmH0a)

245 Like gun cleaning maintenance? I've wanted to include that for some time but need a volunteer to run the class.
Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 08:45 PM (dmH0a)
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Yes, exactly. I’m not very learned on the subject and would love an opportunity to learn if you can find someone to teach it.

Posted by: Caiwyn at August 31, 2025 08:55 PM (WnEm5)

246 & now (as i often say, lol) g'night everyone!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 31, 2025 08:55 PM (ppG5b)

247 Posted by: That SOB Van

Down by the river?

Posted by: haffhowershower at August 31, 2025 08:56 PM (144I4)

248 Pete Bog, what Duncan Anthrax said 1:7 or 1:8 twist. Better yet, build a 6.5 Grendel (or a 6 ARC I guess as the new hot thing). 224 Valkyrie seems to be vanishing as far as factory ammo.

Posted by: whig's phone at August 31, 2025 08:58 PM (ctrM5)

249 Thanks everyone for the well-wishes and Prayers, Thanks again Weasel for the Gun Thread. All, much appreciated.
Goodnight.

Posted by: DBCooper at August 31, 2025 09:00 PM (UxKTN)

250 >>>You're a good influence, Weasel.
Posted by: Nato at August 31, 2025 08:24 PM (pBz/
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Ha! Thanks, but I've never heard those words in that order!

Posted by: Weasel

>That's like telling a WNBA referee she made a good call.

Yeah, right.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at August 31, 2025 09:00 PM (qB8Jg)

251 First decide on the bullet you plan to shoot!
Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 08:41 PM (dmH0a)

Uh, accurate ones?

Presumably a higher quality manufacturer off the shelf ammo. Chambered in 223 Wylde so likely milspec unless you tell me not to do so.

Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 09:00 PM (jblHd)

252 Weasel, would you like to have me cover the cleaning class? I can cover the basics for:
- Semiauto pistols
- Revolvers
- AR rifles

I'm planning on bringing my cleaning toolbox to the MoMe, so I should have most of the commonly used tools and supplies in hand.

Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 09:01 PM (BCwQW)

253 Sharon,

I really love the .22 rifle I biught for Marine on his 12th birthday. It’s a Henry lever action. Iron sights. Super accurate and fun and non punishing. I can plink it on a tomato at 100 yards easily

Not expensive. Easy maintenance. Very fun.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 31, 2025 09:01 PM (Qg+KP)

254 Gonna be crowded. Everybody goes on Labor Day.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 31, 2025 08:54 PM

My club's usually not too bad on the holidays. Still, a day at the range is a day at the range.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 09:01 PM (Wnv9h)

255 It’s that time since I need to Labor in the morning.
Thx, Weasel, et al.!

Posted by: RI Red at August 31, 2025 09:04 PM (vY9Lp)

256 Reading your comment above Pete Bog, did they use Rockset or locktite. Locktite Green is at the top of the temp scale but it starts deteriorating at 450 to 500 F. Been out of building rifles a while but I think a good gunsmith can remove that flashider unless they tack welded it with a blind pin or silver soldered it.

Posted by: whig's phone at August 31, 2025 09:04 PM (ctrM5)

257 For those of you who don't wish to suffer the disdain of Weasel-san at the TxMoMe for wearing what he considers to be an out-sized watch, Amazon has the Timex Expedition Scout (40mm) on sale for $39.87, instead of $46.92.

It will keep better time than the watch CBD used as a FWP example earlier today, too!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 31, 2025 09:05 PM (0sNs1)

258 Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 31, 2025 09:05 PM (xcxpd)

259 Yes, exactly. I’m not very learned on the subject and would love an opportunity to learn if you can find someone to teach it.
Posted by: Caiwyn at August 31, 2025 08:55 PM (WnEm5)
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I'll work on that!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 09:06 PM (dmH0a)

260 Did go to the range, putting in my weekly reps with the church gun (PSA Microdagger with red dot).

Gun performs well if I give it a firm grip. I had a glorious 1 hole group and then...twitched and threw a flyer. Argh!

Had to replace battery on the red dot for the first time. Good run, almost a year of heavy use with brightness turned up a touch. Good gun.

As fall beckons, I may go back to my PSA Dagger as it fits my hand well and I shoot it well. Mostly. At least it's out performed more expensive guns at IDPA.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 31, 2025 09:07 PM (xcxpd)

261 Presumably a higher quality manufacturer off the shelf ammo. Chambered in 223 Wylde so likely milspec unless you tell me not to do so.
Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 09:00 PM (jblHd)

The USMC favored Black Hills MK 262 for long range applications. This ammo uses 77 grain Sierra Match King bullets on a 5.56mm NATO case. And it's not cheap - SG Ammo has it in a 460 round case at $774.50 ($1.67 per round). Are you sure this is the sandbox you want to play in?

Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 09:07 PM (BCwQW)

262 Thanks for the welcome, Mr. Weasel. I've been lurking a good long time.

I suppose I'm a "serious" competitive shooter, just not a particularly good one. Although they reserve spots in the USPSA and IPSC national championships for people based on performance, a bunch of the spots are open for anyone who wants to sign up. 90% of life is just showing up, so that's my strategy. Unfortunately, the other 110% is fundamentals. Still working on that.

Posted by: Dr. Doghouse at August 31, 2025 09:08 PM (q1Lk8)

263 Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 09:01 PM (BCwQW)
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I would love for you to do that, but would then need someone for the loaner gun table. It might make a nice change of pace for you though. Also, I bought a bunch of cleaning supplies for people to use a while back. Let's discuss. Thanks EdL!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 09:08 PM (dmH0a)

264 242 IMI surplus is good stuff!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 31, 2025 08:54 PM (ppG5b)

I use IMI JHP for most of my carry loadouts.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 31, 2025 09:09 PM (xcxpd)

265 I had a glorious 1 hole group and then...twitched and threw a flyer. Argh!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 31, 2025 09:07 PM

* nods *

You're not the first, and until the world relentlessly embraces Weasel-san's relentless focus on fundamentals, you won't be the last.

Posted by: The Fourth Shot at August 31, 2025 09:09 PM (0sNs1)

266 Holy shit

That’s a hellluva catch

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 31, 2025 09:10 PM (H3kqf)

267 Re cleaning the 1866.
They are really pretty simple mechanisms, the biggest problem being that you really need gunsmith screwdrivers. YouTube has some solid videos on the subject. I cleaned up the working surfaces a bit and installed better lever and lifter springs and a short stroke kit myself. I now keep a couple of the loading gates in stock, as they are prone to breaking.
If you think about it, they had to be fairly easy to clean - originally made for black powder rounds and that stuff is very dirty.

Posted by: Coelacanth at August 31, 2025 09:11 PM (kKRwe)

268 Posted by: Dr. Doghouse at August 31, 2025 09:08 PM (q1Lk

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I have preached for years to any who will listen that nothing makes you a better shooter faster than competition and keeping score. No substitute for the benefit of range time!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 09:11 PM (dmH0a)

269 213 Wow about that 9mm Mak ammo pricing, but makes sense. Used to be one of the com-bloc spectacular deals, gun and ammo for very little.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 31, 2025 08:40 PM (rJUaY)

I have two guns in 9mm MAK. I don't shoot them, the guns and ammo are sealed up in ammo cans so I'm not overly tempted to shoot them.

The Makarov is a hell of a good gun. I'd make it an EDC if I was born before 1975.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 31, 2025 09:11 PM (xcxpd)

270 Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 09:08 PM (dmH0a)

You're welcome, Weasel! Just let me know how you want to play this. It's time for me to sign off, so thanks for hosting!

Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 09:12 PM (BCwQW)

271 265 I had a glorious 1 hole group and then...twitched and threw a flyer. Argh!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 31, 2025 09:07 PM

* nods *

You're not the first, and until the world relentlessly embraces Weasel-san's relentless focus on fundamentals, you won't be the last.
Posted by: The Fourth Shot at August 31, 2025 09:09 PM (0sNs1)

I keep forcing the break on the Micro Dagger. Frustrating.
If I don't think and just shoot ( to quote Jerry M) then the gun works super well. It's me that's the problem.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 31, 2025 09:13 PM (xcxpd)

272 I had a glorious 1 hole group and then...twitched and threw a flyer. Argh!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 31, 2025 09:07
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That's why I sort match bullets by ogive measurement. It's a sickness.

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 09:13 PM (dmH0a)

273 Posted by: Ed L at August 31, 2025 09:12 PM (BCwQW)
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Thanks amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 09:13 PM (dmH0a)

274 MAE, curious about the IMI carry load. Any reason not Federal or Winchester?

Posted by: whig's phone at August 31, 2025 09:14 PM (ctrM5)

275 Welp, time for me to punch out.

Thanks for another great Gun Thread. Weasel!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 31, 2025 09:17 PM (Wnv9h)

276 OK all y'all. 9:18 thank you time

Thank you!

Looking forward to seeing you next Sunday (and in Texas)!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 09:18 PM (dmH0a)

277 I plan to shoot indoor range tomorrow if not real crowded.

Posted by: Eromero at August 31, 2025 09:19 PM (LHPAg)

278 Thx for hosting Weasel, nice summary video on zeroing and writeup. Hope you now have time to do more of them.

Posted by: whig's phone at August 31, 2025 09:19 PM (ctrM5)

279 Posted by: whig's phone at August 31, 2025 09:19 PM (ctrM5)
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Thanks whig. I'm thinking about just that, but the videos take about 2.5 hours per minute of finished product to shoot and edit. At least for me!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 09:21 PM (dmH0a)

280 Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and greetings and salutations appropriate to the occasion to our host Weasel.

No shootin' and very late today as I was tasked with a Dire Straits project (We got to install microwave ovens) by the significant other. It is done and I am happy about that.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at August 31, 2025 09:22 PM (v23vE)

281
Ok, cigar aficionados:
What cigar would you recommend for a virgin (almost) cigar smoker, who wants to light up in good company and enjoy the camaraderie and experience on a Texas fall night?
Asking for a friend, of course.
Posted by: RI Red
===

Connecticut Wrapper
Nothing with a macho name like Camacho, Diesel, or Man O War,

Try a Baccarat

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 31, 2025 09:25 PM (/lPRQ)

282 The FSJ clip, which I played over my office speakers, brought all the dogs in to investigate the squeaky thing.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at August 31, 2025 09:26 PM (v23vE)

283 Why, yes, I DID go to the range this weekend! With my M18, and my P226, and she who will remain nameless! It was at Lone Star Range on the far east side of San Antonio. I hit some steel targets out there and had more luck than usual with them. It was a good time. Remember, even a bad day at the range is better than no day at the range!

Posted by: Cow Demon at August 31, 2025 09:27 PM (bcMTj)

284 Weasel, there are some decent new video editors now from free ones such as Openshot to Cyberlinks power director series which has lots of helpers, license free music, etc. They have moved to subscription model I think but have cloud storage included.

Posted by: whig's phone at August 31, 2025 09:28 PM (ctrM5)

285 Looks like I will be officially inheriting a Luger very soon.

Posted by: Cow Demon at August 31, 2025 09:30 PM (bcMTj)

286 Posted by: whig's phone at August 31, 2025 09:28 PM (ctrM5)
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I've been using Vegas Pro for a while, I'm just a little slow!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 09:31 PM (dmH0a)

287 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at August 31, 2025 09:26 PM (v23vE)
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Ha!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 09:34 PM (dmH0a)

288 I’ll take…The Right Honourable. (the Ashton Churchill)

Posted by: Cow Demon at August 31, 2025 09:36 PM (bcMTj)

289
Lamb Baby had it coming.

Posted by: BifBewalski - at August 31, 2025 09:39 PM (QVmho)

290 Weasel, I used Vegas Pro way back when I edited DV tapes. Try Openshot which is a free download for quick and dirty editing which is probably an upgrade from Vegas. Cyberlinks, I have also used, Camtasia too. Power Director just keeps getting better and better with helpers etc But I don't think Cyberlinks sells it anymore as a stand alone project. Subscription model now but some older versions in suites are still lifetime licenses I think.

Posted by: whig's phone at August 31, 2025 09:41 PM (ctrM5)

291 Posted by: whig's phone at August 31, 2025 09:41 PM (ctrM5)
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Thanks for the recommendation but I am a firm believer in change being bad.

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 09:43 PM (dmH0a)

292 Obviously the world needs cloth tape control.
/CHP

Posted by: GWB at August 31, 2025 09:44 PM (RTQn+)

293 I found Sledge Hammer! the entire series on youtube.

https://youtu.be/VJ9h3nxL1pY?si=ZliNthCKNUl6whCf

This belongs in the gun thread, right?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 31, 2025 09:51 PM (lhenN)

294 Thank you Horde. Thanks Weasel!

Posted by: TRex - low profile dino at August 31, 2025 09:52 PM (IQ6Gq)

295 Lamb Baby had it coming.
Posted by: BifBewalski - at August 31, 2025 09:39 PM (QVmho)
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Agreed.

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 09:54 PM (dmH0a)

296 Thanks Weasel.

I’ll talk with you more about barrels in Texas. My use case is more geared towards shooting coyotes at the other end of the pasture than precision shooting. I leave that to my far more capable wife. I’m more of the pray and spray type.

Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 09:55 PM (jblHd)

297 Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 09:55 PM (jblHd)
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Got it. Will do!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 09:56 PM (dmH0a)

298 First!

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at August 31, 2025 09:57 PM (YlWIZ)

299 I've been hearing about Loctite for years on the gub thread, but only started using it for miniatures. It's my first choice for attaching plastic to metal.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 31, 2025 09:58 PM (lhenN)

300 300 (trying m's trick)

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at August 31, 2025 09:58 PM (O7YUW)

301 300 300 (trying m's trick)
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at August 31, 2025 09:58 PM (O7YUW)

It worked

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 31, 2025 09:59 PM (xcxpd)

302 I was presumptuous there. If you are willing to talk about guns and shooting I’d love the chance to discuss this with you. Unless you’d rather discuss double entry bookkeeping and discounted cash flow analysis instead.

Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 09:59 PM (jblHd)

303 I used to use Loctite to glue keys in electric motors for pinspotters.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 31, 2025 10:00 PM (3ljWY)

304 'Nite y'all!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 10:00 PM (dmH0a)

305 Posted by: Pete Bog at August 31, 2025 09:59 PM (jblHd)
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Let's stick to our guns!

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 10:01 PM (dmH0a)

306 Weasel, I can understand. I had to use those video editors for work aka online instructional videos for classes and for distance learning projects. Using Linux is what caused me to try OpenShot way back 8 years ago and it has improved since then.

Camtasia was learned for a grant program for instructional videos. Powerful but cranky. Power Director I used on Windows for shorts for online COVID era classes. Easiest to use simply from a time perspective. My version is circa 2022 or so.

Posted by: whig's phone at August 31, 2025 10:01 PM (WDjG6)

307 274 MAE, curious about the IMI carry load. Any reason not Federal or Winchester?
Posted by: whig's phone at August 31, 2025 09:14 PM (ctrM5)

Mostly it comes down to price. I can buy 1k rounds of JHP for the price of 500 rounds of Federal.

Federal is really good, I love the HST but...it ain't cheap. But I can buy, carry and use the IMI stuff and be sure of its reliability and POI.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 31, 2025 10:01 PM (xcxpd)

308 .
NOOD

ONT is up

NOOD!

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at August 31, 2025 10:02 PM (O7YUW)

309 I've used Locktite Green with retention screws to remount open barrel sights on Mausers. Easier than floating them in solf solder as Mausers did it.

Posted by: whig's phone at August 31, 2025 10:03 PM (WDjG6)

310 Posted by: whig's phone at August 31, 2025 10:01 PM (WDjG6
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Thx Whig. I'll check them out

Posted by: Weasel at August 31, 2025 10:07 PM (dmH0a)

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