Left-Wing TikTokers Attack the Democrat Party Influencers Who Secretly Took Money to Shill for the Establishment

This may have been a pretty big own goal.

The plan was to pump money to left-wing shills who would obey the establishment and push its agenda, all the while claiming to be an "independent" media that critiqued the establishment.

But then it was revealed they were all being paid.

Progressives are not being chill about being deceived. So now, instead of propping up a compliant fake "independent" media, they've blown up the few left-wing influencers with large followings.

Left-wing shill David Pakman -- who I can officially, legally say is a paid shill of the Democrat Party establishment now -- defends taking money to push an establishment-approved narrative, telling viewers that he had before stated that the left must "support" its social media influencers the way the right does (BTW, I don't get any money from any group at all, just individual readers).

So, he argues, this is what "support" looks like. You support left-wing "independent" media, right?

So you should support us getting paid one-tenth of a Hunter Biden salary to shill for the establishment while lying about it to you and falsely claiming to be "independent."

David Pakman issues response saying, "The left needs to fund independent creators the way that the right does."https://t.co/xrr760Qcfz pic.twitter.com/S08Evgx5S7
— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) August 28, 2025

Below, left-wing TikTokers boohoo whinin' and cryin' after finding out that their favorite progressive "independent" influencers aren't independent at all, just on the Democrat Party payroll.

By the way: I speculated yesterday that the reason Sixteen Thirty wanted to exert control over these "independent" influencers was to keep them from talking about Gaza and Israel. The above report specifically says that, indeed, that's the issue Sixteen Thirty was most interested in controlling and censoring.

Related: It just gets worse and worse.

Gallup: % of Americans who are satisfied with the way things are going in U.S. right now

🔵 Democrats - 0% (lowest ever)
🔴 Republicans - 76%

The 76-point partisan gap is the largest Gallup has measured on this question. pic.twitter.com/0m1h3UAuu5
— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) August 28, 2025

Posted by: Ace at 02:23 PM

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1 zero Democrats support Trump's actions?
Seems a bit low.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 29, 2025 02:23 PM (vbXSk)

2 Nd

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at August 29, 2025 02:24 PM (VSf4p)

3 Wait ! The US District Judge that fired Federal Reserve Board Member Lisa Cook's lawsuit was referred to, Judge Jia Cobb IS COOK's SORORITY SISTER in Delta Sigma Theta Sorority - Cobb must be RECUSED

Roger Stone tweet-

Dems always are looking to put the "fix"in

Posted by: free tibet with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at August 29, 2025 02:24 PM (iNp3L)

4 Top 5

Posted by: olddog in mo at August 29, 2025 02:25 PM (zGabF)

5 (BTW, I don't get any money from any group at all, just individual readers).

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I just try to help some readership appear every third weekend.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:26 PM (GBKbO)

6 If 0% of democrats agree, you must be doing something right!

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 29, 2025 02:26 PM (5VVEf)

7 Saved by zero~!
The Fixx again!!!!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 29, 2025 02:27 PM (mlg/3)

8 Corgis called

Posted by: rickb223 at August 29, 2025 02:27 PM (UZOIv)

9 Below, left-wing TikTokers boohoo whinin' and cryin' after finding out that their favorite progressive "independent" influencers aren't independent at all, just on the Democrat Party payroll.

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That Ryan Long sketch about Dem influencers getting major corpo endorsement and Rep influencers hawking "Patriot Coffee" is so apropos right now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:27 PM (GBKbO)

10 (Next: irrational poll numbers.)
We're going negative! Blow all tanks! Dive!Dive!Dive!

Posted by: Democrats at August 29, 2025 02:27 PM (KtOUo)

11 This is social media? I didn’t realize I was so hip and cool.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 29, 2025 02:28 PM (5VVEf)

12 Pakman is one of the worst. He's Destiny level motormouthed, vapid, and punchable.

Posted by: Not sure if he's less or more ghey than Destiny at August 29, 2025 02:28 PM (TbWk/)

13 6 If 0% of democrats agree, you must be doing something right!
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 29, 2025 02:26 PM (5VVEf)

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Does anything really think 0% of Democrats, nationwide, are happy with the way the nation is going?

Not 5%? Not 10% of heritage Democrats in Iowa, or something?

Just outright 0 of them?

It's a window into a major polling problem: response bias.

Highly engaged Democrats respond to far more polling requests than anyone else, and it warps everything about the poll from top to bottom.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:28 PM (GBKbO)

14 the Left has their own Purity Brigade, whaddaya know?

Posted by: kallisto at August 29, 2025 02:29 PM (dCxaZ)

15 panican baris says this poll is statistically impossible

Posted by: cherries in season at August 29, 2025 02:29 PM (u5gMJ)

16 0% satisfaction LOL get fucked

Posted by: steevy at August 29, 2025 02:29 PM (YwEeS)

17 15 panican baris says this poll is statistically impossible
Posted by: cherries in season at August 29, 2025 02:29 PM (u5gMJ)

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Baris is weird, but he's right here.

There is literally no way that poll is right.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:29 PM (GBKbO)

18 Got a flat zero in a poll?
This seems likely, I'm sure no one questioned it, just put it out....

Posted by: Inogame at August 29, 2025 02:29 PM (53oGX)

19 They really aren’t taking the EBT changes well.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 29, 2025 02:30 PM (5VVEf)

20 17 15 panican baris says this poll is statistically impossible
Posted by: cherries in season at August 29, 2025 02:29 PM (u5gMJ)

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Baris is weird, but he's right here.

There is literally no way that poll is right.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:29 PM (GBKbO)

Any poll will have some number of people considering Hitler was ok... but Trump... 0

Posted by: Inogame at August 29, 2025 02:31 PM (53oGX)

21 Does the list include Beyonce and Oprah?

Posted by: Darth Randall at August 29, 2025 02:31 PM (f1kZG)

22 That Ryan Long sketch about Dem influencers getting major corpo endorsement and Rep influencers hawking "Patriot Coffee" is so apropos right now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:27 PM (GBKbO)

Beet juice and gold gold GOLD!

Posted by: Real gold from the hills of Colombia! at August 29, 2025 02:31 PM (TbWk/)

23 Now do paid protesters.

Posted by: Stoner in the parent's basement at August 29, 2025 02:32 PM (V5Ka4)

24 The Democrats being at zero % is fruition of my plans.

::Steeples hands::

Posted by: eleven at August 29, 2025 02:32 PM (fV+MH)

25 I can't imagine $8k a month would put much of dent in Olivia Julianna's cheese steak budget.

Posted by: Nonapod at August 29, 2025 02:32 PM (CwtyK)

26 They really aren’t taking the EBT changes well.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

LOL.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 29, 2025 02:32 PM (UZOIv)

27 Zero

Point

Zero

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 29, 2025 02:33 PM (wrRTB)

28 Um, how can I donate and not use paypal, is there a way? I check AOS every day, I don't always agree but I'm always here and Ace and the Cobbs always provide great content. I just don't do paypal. Thanks and let me know

Posted by: Isolden at August 29, 2025 02:33 PM (dB99g)

29 I just try to help some readership appear every third weekend.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:26 PM

I'm still waiting for my retrospective.

Posted by: Alan Smithee at August 29, 2025 02:33 PM (0sNs1)

30 Any poll will have some number of people considering Hitler was ok... but Trump... 0
Posted by: Inogame at August 29, 2025 02:31 PM (53oGX)

But Trump is literally Hitler, so this makes even less sense.

Posted by: My brain now hurts at August 29, 2025 02:33 PM (TbWk/)

31 29
I'm still waiting for my retrospective.
Posted by: Alan Smithee at August 29, 2025 02:33 PM (0sNs1)

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After Hammer Films! Hammer Films first!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:33 PM (GBKbO)

32 15 panican baris says this poll is statistically impossible
Posted by: cherries in season at August 29, 2025 02:29 PM (u5gMJ)

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Baris is weird, but he's right here.

There is literally no way that poll is right.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:29 PM (GBKbO)
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It does seem statistically unlikely that EVERY SINGLE RESPONDENT was a Republican. So what's going on here?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 29, 2025 02:33 PM (7fElN)

33 >>BTW, I don't get any money from any group at all, just individual readers

Yea, about that. Happy Labor Day ace and thanks for everything.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 29, 2025 02:34 PM (viF8m)

34 Sander Jennings, brother of mutilated reality tv star Jazz Jennings, is one of the recipients.

Posted by: mr tmz at August 29, 2025 02:34 PM (rJ48h)

35 Gallup: % of Americans who are satisfied with the way things are going in U.S. right now

🔵 Democrats - 0% (lowest ever)
🔴 Republicans - 76%

Who tf are the 24% republicans that are not happy???

Posted by: rickb223 at August 29, 2025 02:34 PM (UZOIv)

36 Say what you want about Hitler, at least he wasn’t Trump. Although, Trump is literally Hitler.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 29, 2025 02:34 PM (5VVEf)

37 "Left-Wing TikTokers Attack the Democrat Party Influencers Who Secretly Took Money to Shill for the Establishment"

This is just one grundle of scumbag grifting ass-sniffers attacking another grundle of scumbag grifting ass-sniffers.

There is less USAID and similar money to go around, so they're trying to murder each other in the streets to get what's left of the money. Rentboys and Lume ain't free, ya know.

All of these oozing hirudoids are on the take. All of them. I said the same thing about Age Queen Lorenz yesterday when she attacked some "influencers" for taking money. It was immediately revealed that she herself was taking money.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 29, 2025 02:35 PM (iFTx/)

38 Everything, and I mean everything, from the proggie democrats is fake, astroturffed or lies. Nothing is for real.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at August 29, 2025 02:35 PM (17s+e)

39 32 It does seem statistically unlikely that EVERY SINGLE RESPONDENT was a Republican. So what's going on here?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 29, 2025 02:33 PM (7fElN)

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The problem is the 0% response from Democrats about the state of the nation.

It's ultimately a response bias problem that creates a complete inability to collect anything like a random sample.

If you get 100 partisan Dems who are always plugged into the news and hate Trump and no other Democrats, how do you even weight the sample to try and reflect reality?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:35 PM (GBKbO)

40 "Who tf are the 24% republicans that are not happy???
Posted by: rickb223"

Purity fagz.

Posted by: eleven at August 29, 2025 02:35 PM (fV+MH)

41 Um, how can I donate and not use paypal, is there a way? I check AOS every day, I don't always agree but I'm always here and Ace and the Cobbs always provide great content. I just don't do paypal. Thanks and let me know
Posted by: Isolden at August 29, 2025 02:33 PM (dB99g)

Pay a friend to be a straw donor. Democrats do that all the time. It's okay.

Posted by: Democrats at August 29, 2025 02:35 PM (KtOUo)

42 Ryan Long sketch about Dem influencers getting major corpo endorsement and Rep influencers hawking "Patriot Coffee" is so apropos right now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:27 PM (GBKbO)

Any time there’s a company with a name that’s is explicitly patriotic like Patriot Mobile or Liberty Whatever, it’s a way to scam the rubes.99/100 times it’s also color coded with red and white and blue and probably “started by a veteran”.

Yes I know Liberty Mutual. But I’m talking companies you’ve never heard of and then all of a sudden it’s non stop ads for them on talk radio, Fox News and “conservative” podcasts.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 29, 2025 02:36 PM (wrRTB)

43 35 Who tf are the 24% republicans that are not happy???
Posted by: rickb223 at August 29, 2025 02:34 PM (UZOIv)

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*raises hand*

Trump still hasn't addressed the copyright regime in America.

So, I'm going to vote for Newsom in 28.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:36 PM (GBKbO)

44 We're going negative! Blow all tanks! Dive!Dive!Dive!
Posted by: Democrats at August 29, 2025 02:27 PM

When a submarine 'blows all tanks', it's trying to achieve positive bouyancy and reach the surface, not dive.

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at August 29, 2025 02:36 PM (0sNs1)

45 Who tf are the 24% republicans that are not happy???
Posted by: rickb223"

Purity fagz.
Posted by: eleven at August 29, 2025 02:35 PM (fV+MH)
****
You rang?

Posted by: Bulwark at August 29, 2025 02:36 PM (KtOUo)

46 So, to be clear, a non-profit (Sixteen Thirty) pays "influencers" to support progressive stances. They pull in about $8,000 per month.

So, when it comes to mid-term time and any one of these "influencers" makes positive comments about individual progressive candidates...that would be a direct "In-Kind" campaign contribution. Yes? And, getting paid $8k monthly exceeds the reporting threshold and donation threshold set by the Federal Election Commission.

Posted by: Orson at August 29, 2025 02:37 PM (dIske)

47 35 Who tf are the 24% republicans that are not happy???
Posted by: rickb223 at August 29, 2025 02:34 PM (UZOIv)

“Republicans” like the Bush Clan, Nikki, etc and their supporters.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 29, 2025 02:37 PM (wrRTB)

48 There's always a submarine expert to kill your joke.

Posted by: eleven at August 29, 2025 02:37 PM (fV+MH)

49 That poll has got to be bullshit. How can you get 0% -- zero -- on any polling question ever? Like, literally ever?

A polling question that asks "do you want to cut off your dick after you stick a hot poker up your ass" would get some positive responses. Not joking.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 29, 2025 02:38 PM (iFTx/)

50 Undermining the credibility of TikTok influencers is a dangerous game. Are they not the fourth estate of a free and fair America?

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at August 29, 2025 02:38 PM (wBaIH)

51 Do you think that the pepole are going to figure out that they have been indeed BRAINWASHED?

After that ginger trans confessed to having been BRAINWASHED, in writing for all to see, I think people should start hammering the use of this word because it TRUE.

The crazy Lefties are all BRAINWASHED. Half the county is effective no longer in control of themselves.

I want to hear "BRAINWASHED' over and over again until they all breakdown and the collapse of the cognitive dissidence brings them to their knees.

Posted by: pawn at August 29, 2025 02:38 PM (c0xEo)

52 We can say, without any doubt, that Donald Trump has a 0% chance of winning the 2028 Presidential Election.

Posted by: The NYT at August 29, 2025 02:38 PM (M0V4/)

53 0%? No way the poll was not paid by and rigged by the democrat party.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at August 29, 2025 02:38 PM (17s+e)

54 35 Who tf are the 24% republicans that are not happy???
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This relates to the response bias TJM already mentioned. There are lots of registered Rs in places like Delaware County PA (wealthy Philly suburbs) or Johnson County KS (wealthy Kansas City suburb) who haven't voted R since Romney or even Bush. These people make up a tiny faction of registered Republicans (as the Kamala campaign found out when their Liz Cheney tour backfired), but they are overrepresented in polls for the same reason AWFLs are overrepresented (and in many cases they ARE AWFLs).

Posted by: the lower depths at August 29, 2025 02:38 PM (+b4rY)

55 Democrats who ARE satisfied with how things are going are joining the republican party in droves. That's why the number is zero. This is actually a measure of the collapse of the Dems into a very small rump party.

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at August 29, 2025 02:38 PM (gDhA9)

56 When a submarine 'blows all tanks', it's trying to achieve positive bouyancy and reach the surface, not dive.
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at August 29, 2025 02:36 PM (0sNs1)

And if you really need to do it, you didn’t wait for an order. It was an immediate action for flooding.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at August 29, 2025 02:38 PM (5VVEf)

57 "Mister Blutarski. Zero point zero."

Obviously a Democrat.

Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at August 29, 2025 02:38 PM (MZ+PY)

58 *raises hand*

Trump still hasn't addressed the copyright regime in America.

So, I'm going to vote for Newsom in 28.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:36 PM (GBKbO)
________________________________

And, Trump made fun of Taylor Swift.

Posted by: Orson at August 29, 2025 02:39 PM (dIske)

59 That Ryan Long sketch about Dem influencers getting major corpo endorsement and Rep influencers hawking "Patriot Coffee" is so apropos right now.
____

Haha! Patriot Coffee. Anyway, before we get to our next segment on why Trump's retaliatory lawfare is wrong and possibly un-American, let's hear from our show's sponsor, Black Rifle Coffee.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 29, 2025 02:39 PM (Dv3i1)

60 State of the nation polling is highly partisan (it completely and regularly flips based on who's president), but it's never giving the same numbers as something like presidential approval.

It seems to have a lot of input from local economic concerns to change things.

Like, "I'm not doing great, but I support Trump. So, the nation isn't doing great because I'm not."

It's also where preference for more individualized issues (Not enough done on guns!) can pop up. Single issue voters, and such.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:40 PM (GBKbO)

61 Wait ! The US District Judge that fired Federal Reserve Board Member Lisa Cook's lawsuit was referred to, Judge Jia Cobb IS COOK's SORORITY SISTER in Delta Sigma Theta Sorority - Cobb must be RECUSED
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And, of course, Judge Cobb is a Biden appointee.

Posted by: mrp at August 29, 2025 02:40 PM (rj6Yv)

62 Democrats believe whatever they're told to believe.

Posted by: Jetto at August 29, 2025 02:40 PM (+wpOt)

63 All of these oozing hirudoids are on the take. All of them. I said the same thing about Age Queen Lorenz yesterday when she attacked some "influencers" for taking money. It was immediately revealed that she herself was taking money.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 29, 2025 02:35 PM (iFTx/)
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The Left is more incestuous and corrupt than a Lannister family reunion.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 29, 2025 02:40 PM (7fElN)

64 We're going negative! Blow all tanks! Dive!Dive!Dive!
Posted by: Democrats at August 29, 2025 02:27 PM

I'm not what I used to be, and I've never done a tank, but what the heck.

Posted by: Kokonut at August 29, 2025 02:40 PM (0sNs1)

65 Ace, you need to add "right-wing influencer" to your list of titles!

Posted by: pookysgirl is just an 'Ette at August 29, 2025 02:41 PM (Wt5PA)

66 61 Wait ! The US District Judge that fired Federal Reserve Board Member Lisa Cook's lawsuit was referred to, Judge Jia Cobb IS COOK's SORORITY SISTER in Delta Sigma Theta Sorority - Cobb must be RECUSED
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And, of course, Judge Cobb is a Biden appointee.

Posted by: mrp at August 29, 2025 02:40 PM (rj6Yv)

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They graduated from different colleges more than a decade apart.

It's not like they partied together. It's small beans.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:41 PM (GBKbO)

67 Black conservative "Olivia Juliano can by a lot of snacks with $8k per month" heh

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 29, 2025 02:41 PM (Kp8LC)

68 Intellectually, I dont understand the entire influencer grift. In their essence an “influencer” is plausibly getting paid because they’re offering some type of expert opinion. Most of these people aren’t very smart, well credentialed, or even philosophically consistent. The only thing they’re good at is getting someone to pay them because they bewitch a lot of people into believing what they say. They are salespeople selling snake oil, with followers allegedly measuring the amount of influence they can peddle. I don’t need some soft hands soy boy, or some chick constantly displaying the goodies to tell me what I should buy or believe. I can do that myself. It’s just another outgrowth of a slovenly, lazy group of nitwits.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 29, 2025 02:41 PM (4dJj9)

69 audio leaked from when Pakman got outed youtu.be/NxSj2T2vx7M

Posted by: gKWVE at August 29, 2025 02:41 PM (gKWVE)

70 >Wait ! The US District Judge that fired Federal Reserve Board Member Lisa Cook's lawsuit was referred to, Judge Jia Cobb IS COOK's SORORITY SISTER in Delta Sigma Theta Sorority - Cobb must be RECUSED

FUBU

Shut the hell up whitey.

Posted by: mr tmz at August 29, 2025 02:41 PM (rJ48h)

71 I miss the days of good propaganda. We knew what it was but we could shut off our brains and laugh for a bit because the propaganda served a higher, if evil, order. This feels like they are trying to build a narrative and the goal has no real power yet.

Posted by: Corona_Exile at August 29, 2025 02:41 PM (UOUd3)

72
Sander Jennings, one of the influencers taking money from Sixteen Thirty, heh. That idiot got coerced into a date with a with tranny to prove his fealty to the cause. It was a muscular dude who tackled him in an ice skating outing. Later on, Sander got coerced into a hot tub with the dude and just... just couldn't bring himself to... (you could see him silently screaming in despair).

His pleadings afterward that he's not attracted to chicks with dicks (not in those words of course) was not accepted by the tranny interrogator who set him up. But he continues to work for the cause.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 29, 2025 02:42 PM (GlwZS)

73 I have Pakman fever!

And the only prescription is... Of course... More cowbell.

Posted by: Jetto at August 29, 2025 02:42 PM (+wpOt)

74 42 Ryan Long sketch about Dem influencers getting major corpo endorsement and Rep influencers hawking "Patriot Coffee" is so apropos right now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:27 PM (GBKbO)

Any time there’s a company with a name that’s is explicitly patriotic like Patriot Mobile or Liberty Whatever, it’s a way to scam the rubes.99/100 times it’s also color coded with red and white and blue and probably “started by a veteran”.

Yes I know Liberty Mutual. But I’m talking companies you’ve never heard of and then all of a sudden it’s non stop ads for them on talk radio, Fox News and “conservative” podcasts.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 29, 2025 02:36 PM (wrRTB)

Yeah for real!

Posted by: CIA guy that owns Black Rifle Coffee at August 29, 2025 02:43 PM (53oGX)

75 Next: recriminations and purging of Party insiders. That includes wet work.

Posted by: torabora at August 29, 2025 02:45 PM (KtOUo)

76 The one huge advantage we have over the dems - they literally can't envision a world where the government/party/charity doesn't pay them to express their opinions. Which means they are totally unresponsive to the wants and needs of their viewers and are responsive to diktats that come from their real paymasters.

It means there is a permanent disconnect with their viewers that can forever be exploited.

Rogan got famous because he occasional got drunk or high, and made fun of gorillas on his podcast. He'd say all sorts of goofy stuff, all from the heart. He became popular because he said what HE thought, not what someone told him to think. And what he thought was pretty mainstream stuff.

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at August 29, 2025 02:45 PM (gDhA9)

77

And my secret love's no secret anymore.

Posted by: Pac Man at August 29, 2025 02:45 PM (63Dwl)

78 The long weekend is here

Posted by: Skip at August 29, 2025 02:45 PM (+qU29)

79 Wait ! The US District Judge that fired Federal Reserve Board Member Lisa Cook's lawsuit was referred to, Judge Jia Cobb IS COOK's SORORITY SISTER in Delta Sigma Theta Sorority - Cobb must be RECUSED
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And, of course, Judge Cobb is a Biden appointee.

Posted by: mrp at August 29, 2025 02:40 PM (rj6Yv)

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They graduated from different colleges more than a decade apart.

It's not like they partied together. It's small beans.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:41 PM (GBKbO)
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Some sorority sisters (and frat bros) take loyalty to the sorority pretty seriously, though. If this was a Trump judge being a member of MaL, the left would be screaming for his head.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 29, 2025 02:46 PM (iFTx/)

80 You want a good read? Go read the governments filing in the Cook matter. It is an absolute nuclear bomb of arguments and citations. They even say the court doesn’t have jurisdiction in this matter and can’t offer opinion beyond that.

Her lawyers on the other hand, issued a bunch of deflection, posturing, ad hominems and sophism.

Cook is done.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 29, 2025 02:46 PM (4dJj9)

81 Friend of mine's daughter-in-law is an "influencer." No idea how she made any money doing that shit. Now I do.

Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at August 29, 2025 02:46 PM (MZ+PY)

82 It doesn't matter much whether or not the Leftist commentariat are on the Dem payroll. Anyone who cares about such things has taken that arrangement as a given. What really matters to those Commie screwballs is that the Trump Administration has made a serious effort to cut off the financial ties between the US Treasury and the DNC. That's unprecedented.

Posted by: mrp at August 29, 2025 02:46 PM (rj6Yv)

83 Say what you will about Hitler, he did kill Hitler

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 29, 2025 02:46 PM (Kp8LC)

84 There is literally no way that poll is right.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes

Anyone with two brain cells knows this is nonsense, my question is why would Gallup make this public? They just look like idiots, Gallup has to know the numbers are absolutely wrong.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at August 29, 2025 02:47 PM (HI5Mk)

85 The part of the survey that shows 0% of Democrats are satisfied with the way the country is headed, does that mean that everyone who is satisfied had stopped identifying as a D?

Posted by: Eeyore at August 29, 2025 02:47 PM (s0JqF)

86 Next: recriminations and purging of Party insiders. That includes wet work.

The wetter the better!

Posted by: Jetto at August 29, 2025 02:48 PM (+wpOt)

87 84 There is literally no way that poll is right.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes

Anyone with two brain cells knows this is nonsense, my question is why would Gallup make this public? They just look like idiots, Gallup has to know the numbers are absolutely wrong.
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at August 29, 2025 02:47 PM (HI5Mk)

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Gallup's political polling has become kind of just all around terrible over the past couple of decades.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:48 PM (GBKbO)

88 You want a good read? Go read the governments filing in the Cook matter. It is an absolute nuclear bomb of arguments and citations. They even say the court doesn’t have jurisdiction in this matter and can’t offer opinion beyond that.

Her lawyers on the other hand, issued a bunch of deflection, posturing, ad hominems and sophism.

Cook is done.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 29, 2025 02:46 PM (4dJj9)
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Have you seen the judge, though? Fat black DEI hire. Just like Cook. And she's sorority sisters with Cook.

I put the odds of a TRO north of 50%.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 29, 2025 02:48 PM (iFTx/)

89 Question, between Olivia Juliana and Tim Walz, which was LESS likely to draw men to the D party? It's not easy to say. It is possible that Olivia can cook.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 29, 2025 02:48 PM (s0JqF)

90 Leftist have lived of stolen tax money, get big monet gifts from billionaires Leftists

Posted by: Skip at August 29, 2025 02:49 PM (+qU29)

91 DEI polling is inevitable.

Posted by: eleven at August 29, 2025 02:49 PM (fV+MH)

92 I wonder, did these so called lefty influencers properly pay taxes on this payola? The IRS would like to know.

Posted by: Farquad at August 29, 2025 02:49 PM (NtFTC)

93 Most of the complaints are coming from envious shills who are wondering why their own slobbering obsequience didn't rate a paycheck.

Posted by: tankdemon at August 29, 2025 02:50 PM (jfvTO)

94 88 Have you seen the judge, though? Fat black DEI hire. Just like Cook. And she's sorority sisters with Cook.

I put the odds of a TRO north of 50%.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 29, 2025 02:48 PM (iFTx/)

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I've assumed the TRO because District judge in DC and little else.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:50 PM (GBKbO)

95 I dunno about 0%. Unless the question was an all or none.

But even the retards I work with are happy about fewer wars and less crime in the capital and the deportation of the worst of the worst.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 29, 2025 02:51 PM (W2Pud)

96 My report on Cracker Barrel in Conroe,TX.

Very busy , packed with those over 29 .

Had their Friday special of fried fish. The fried cod was pretty good but the mash potatoes were likely left over from two weeks ago. Up charge for a salad as a side. No drink. Cost $20 before tip. Service was excellent though.

Probably last time I’ll eat there as I have a way better locally owned comfort food restaurant a mile away from me.

Posted by: polynikes at August 29, 2025 02:52 PM (EYmYM)

97 Who tf are the 24% republicans that are not happy???
Posted by: rickb223 at August 29, 2025 02:34 PM (UZOIv)

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*raises hand*

Trump still hasn't addressed the copyright regime in America.

So, I'm going to vote for Newsom in 28.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:36 PM (GBKbO)
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Could be some Republicans who want even more hardcore from Trump. There are a few people even on this site who never seem to be happy and will always find something to complain about, even when Trump is opening up cans of whup-ass all over the place. I've heard more shitting on Bondi and Kash here than on DU. Only half joking.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 29, 2025 02:52 PM (iFTx/)

98 Retards do have opinions.

Sun be hot.

Winter be cold.

Posted by: eleven at August 29, 2025 02:53 PM (fV+MH)

99 >> Have you seen the judge, though? Fat black DEI hire. Just like Cook. And she's sorority sisters with Cook.

I put the odds of a TRO north of 50%.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 29, 2025 02:48 PM (iFTx/)

I dont even know what basis she would use for a TRO that wouldn’t immediately be smoked on appeal. They basically made the Article II arguments and added all the case citations. They went after the Fed as an agency of the executive branch. They further cited the FRA itself stating that a conviction was not necessary for removal. I suppose she can go the Hawaiian judge route by completely ignoring most of the arguments, but I don’t know how she musters enough magic to get by the jurisdiction issues.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 29, 2025 02:53 PM (4dJj9)

100 44 We're going negative! Blow all tanks! Dive!Dive!Dive!
Posted by: Democrats at August 29, 2025 02:27 PM

When a submarine 'blows all tanks', it's trying to achieve positive bouyancy and reach the surface, not dive.
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at August 29, 2025 02:36 PM (0sNs1)
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Note the signature. That's how today's Democrats think you dive.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 29, 2025 02:53 PM (s0JqF)

101 99 I dont even know what basis she would use for a TRO that wouldn’t immediately be smoked on appeal. They basically made the Article II arguments and added all the case citations. They went after the Fed as an agency of the executive branch. They further cited the FRA itself stating that a conviction was not necessary for removal. I suppose she can go the Hawaiian judge route by completely ignoring most of the arguments, but I don’t know how she musters enough magic to get by the jurisdiction issues.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 29, 2025 02:53 PM (4dJj9)

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*ahem*

TROs are unappealable.

The PI is appealable.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:54 PM (GBKbO)

102 Question, between Olivia Juliana and Tim Walz, which was LESS likely to draw men to the D party? It's not easy to say. It is possible that Olivia can cook.
Posted by: Eeyore at August 29, 2025 02:48 PM

What are we, chopped liver?

Posted by: Doug Emhoff and David Hogg, Harvard graduate at August 29, 2025 02:54 PM (0sNs1)

103 1 zero Democrats support Trump's actions?
Seems a bit low.
Posted by: illiniwek at August 29, 2025 02:23 PM (vbXSk)

Washington, DC, mayor had some supportive words.

http://tiny.cc/n5vr001

Posted by: tankdemon at August 29, 2025 02:54 PM (jfvTO)

104 88 You want a good read? Go read the governments filing in the Cook matter. It is an absolute nuclear bomb of arguments and citations. They even say the court doesn’t have jurisdiction in this matter and can’t offer opinion beyond that.

Her lawyers on the other hand, issued a bunch of deflection, posturing, ad hominems and sophism.

Cook is done.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 29, 2025 02:46 PM (4dJj9)
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Have you seen the judge, though? Fat black DEI hire. Just like Cook. And she's sorority sisters with Cook.

I put the odds of a TRO north of 50%.

Posted by: Elric The Blade
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My over under is 80% and I'll go over. Hope I'm wrong but donks.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at August 29, 2025 02:54 PM (17s+e)

105 Of course the Left is at 0.

They hate we are making America Great again. They are mentally ill children who hate their parents (USA) with a passion for no valid reason.

Posted by: polynikes at August 29, 2025 02:54 PM (EYmYM)

106 Have you seen the judge, though? Fat black DEI hire. Just like Cook. And she's sorority sisters with Cook.

I put the odds of a TRO north of 50%.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 29, 2025 02:48 PM (iFTx/)

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I've assumed the TRO because District judge in DC and little else.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:50 PM (GBKbO)
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Yup. I'm not sure what the TRO could do tho? Say that Trump must hire her back? I think she's already been fired and thrown out of the building.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 29, 2025 02:55 PM (iFTx/)

107 (BTW, I don't get any money from any group at all, just individual readers).
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Come on, Ace. We all know you get weekly checks from the Elders of Zion and Project 2025.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 29, 2025 02:55 PM (s0JqF)

108 Anyone with two brain cells knows this is nonsense, my question is why would Gallup make this public? They just look like idiots, Gallup has to know the numbers are absolutely wrong.
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp

The purpose of Gallup polls is not to provide the public with an accurate assessment of where the public stands on selected issues, just like the Southern Poverty Law Center's purpose isn't to generate an accurate, comprehensive list of all hate groups.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at August 29, 2025 02:56 PM (ycI94)

109 106 Yup. I'm not sure what the TRO could do tho? Say that Trump must hire her back? I think she's already been fired and thrown out of the building.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 29, 2025 02:55 PM (iFTx/)

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"It is necessary for Cook to retain her position because she may suffer irreparable harm by not being able to get into the Fed building for 14 days."

"That doesn't make sense, your honor."

"Take it up with the appeals court. Oh wait, you can't. Because TROs are unappealable and I'm god for the next 14 days."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:56 PM (GBKbO)

110 >> *ahem*

TROs are unappealable.

The PI is appealable.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:54 PM (GBKbO)

If you clearly don’t have jurisdiction over the matter because it’s within the presidents Article II power and a matter of the executive branch, a TRO is not just worthless but legally dubious.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 29, 2025 02:57 PM (4dJj9)

111 "It's not like they partied together. It's small beans."

Every female black D in NoVA is a Delta sister, and boy oh boy do they network.

The Loudoun BoS chair is a Delta, and hired a Delta as one of her aides, and there was quite a tempest of trying to divest from her when it became apparent she lied on her resume and then embezzled.

The fake pastor in Loudoun who is BLM grifter number one is a Delta.

The sisterhood is strong and connected, and can be some pretty big beans.

(and my do they HATE Winsome Sears.)

Posted by: barbarausa at August 29, 2025 02:57 PM (enw9G)

112
"But even the retards I work with are happy about fewer wars and less crime in the capital and the deportation of the worst of the worst.

Posted by: nurse ratched"

Retards are far more cognizant than leftist woke progs.

Posted by: Ripley at August 29, 2025 02:58 PM (GUOwU)

113 110
If you clearly don’t have jurisdiction over the matter because it’s within the presidents Article II power and a matter of the executive branch, a TRO is not just worthless but legally dubious.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 29, 2025 02:57 PM (4dJj9)

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Sure, but until SCOTUS nukes the ability for district judges to make TROs at all, which is highly unlikely, this legally dubious practice will continue ad infinitum.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:58 PM (GBKbO)

114 So you should support us getting paid one-tenth of a Hunter Biden salary to shill for the establishment while lying about it to you and falsely claiming to be "independent."
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"Deep down in places you don't want to talk about, you WANT me on that PODCAST!"

Posted by: Axeman at August 29, 2025 02:59 PM (GoBh/)

115 Yup. I'm not sure what the TRO could do tho? Say that Trump must hire her back? I think she's already been fired and thrown out of the building.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 29, 2025 02:55 PM (iFTx/)

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"It is necessary for Cook to retain her position because she may suffer irreparable harm by not being able to get into the Fed building for 14 days."

"That doesn't make sense, your honor."

"Take it up with the appeals court. Oh wait, you can't. Because TROs are unappealable and I'm god for the next 14 days."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:56 PM (GBKbO)
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Well, yea. The judge could make up whatever dogshit she wants and demand that unicorns appear and lick her ass. But in terms of an actual TRO, that really only works before the action occurs. It's a temporary restraining order. Once the action happens, the remedy is more in the nature of an order of specific performance.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 29, 2025 02:59 PM (iFTx/)

116 It does seem statistically unlikely that EVERY SINGLE RESPONDENT was a Republican. So what's going on here?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
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I think I figured out what was going on--essentially the twitter account above is using the respondent information to create a table from the Gallup Survey question about satisfaction with the "In general, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States at this time?" From the Gallup Poll Social Series.

The problem is that sampling is done for demographics but not for political affiliation plus it is weighted as in some respondents are treated as having more 'influence' than others in order to get what Gallup estimates is the entire sample of the public. Gallup used population density for the respondent as one of the weighting variable for example.

Weighting is widely recognized as the secret sauce in most of polling today and is actually the least scrutinized along with the unknowable non response bias problem for any particular poll.

Posted by: whig at August 29, 2025 03:00 PM (ctrM5)

117 >> Sure, but until SCOTUS nukes the ability for district judges to make TROs at all, which is highly unlikely, this legally dubious practice will continue ad infinitum.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 02:58 PM (GBKbO)

This matter is so clear cut that if the judge issues a TRO SCOTUS will get involved. The government would probably file and tell them to clean up their backyard.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 29, 2025 03:00 PM (4dJj9)

118 The Democrats are in their own Titan submarine, and they just heard a funny little noise on their way down to the Marianas Trench...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 29, 2025 03:00 PM (wtvvX)

119 115 Well, yea. The judge could make up whatever dogshit she wants and demand that unicorns appear and lick her ass. But in terms of an actual TRO, that really only works before the action occurs. It's a temporary restraining order. Once the action happens, the remedy is more in the nature of an order of specific performance.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 29, 2025 02:59 PM (iFTx/)

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The pattern this year has been, "Even though this action has already been taken, undo it for 14 days."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 03:00 PM (GBKbO)

120 Someone needs to tell her that she risks sparking a Constitutional crisis that she can't win.

Posted by: gKWVE at August 29, 2025 03:00 PM (gKWVE)

121 Cook could get payment without working if the Commissar Judge wants to keep her job

Posted by: Skip at August 29, 2025 03:01 PM (+qU29)

122 When a submarine 'blows all tanks', it's trying to achieve positive bouyancy and reach the surface, not dive.

Blowing everything in sight is how you reach the top.

Posted by: Kamala Harris at August 29, 2025 03:01 PM (TbWk/)

123 "BTW, I don't get any money from any group at all, just individual readers)"

Speaking of, I can't remember. How do wr hit your tip jar? Yesterday was payday so get 'em while they still are sitting in my account.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 29, 2025 03:01 PM (/RHNq)

124 Concerning the Gallup Poll: You need only look at some of the comments, articles, and book of Gallup's CEO, Jon Clifton, so see where these strange results materialized from.

Apparently, Clifton sort of inherited the CEO position from his father, but wasn't shy about giving his opinion on Trump before sliding into the position. As a result, the bias is pretty obvious. He says things like China and their economy will rule the world. Or one of my personal favorites is that Germany's economy is in better shape that the US's under Trump.

Posted by: Orson at August 29, 2025 03:02 PM (dIske)

125 Thanks to everybody who prayed for my mom. She's home, now. She passed away in her sleep, likely peaceably.

Good bless you all.

Posted by: Axeman at August 29, 2025 03:02 PM (GoBh/)

126 The point of leftwing politics is to acquire money and power.

Why leftwing pundits then approach this any differently then leftwing office holders.

And if fairness, a large portion of the old GOPe pundit network was being funded and controlled the same way.

But then rightwing people stopped following those pundits - I haven't read a Jonah Goldberg political post, outside of someone posting it here on AoS since...the early 2010s?

Since right leaning politics has nominal goal outside of money and power you can identify the Goldbergs and Frenchs of the world as traitors...but how do you do that for leftwing politics? If Sisson or someone is getting paid to amplify whatever the DNC is saying...how is that a betrayal?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:03 PM (sKqQm)

127 I gotta say, getting paid to do something you woulda done anyway -- and enthusiastically -- is a nice gig. All these "influencers" are almost certainly leftwing and would have followed the NPC coding to the letter, for free. I'd really like to get paid for that gangbang with the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 29, 2025 03:04 PM (iFTx/)

128 Dusty in here

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at August 29, 2025 03:04 PM (Zyv3S)

129 107 (BTW, I don't get any money from any group at all, just individual readers).
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Come on, Ace. We all know you get weekly checks from the Elders of Zion and Project 2025.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 29, 2025 02:55 PM (s0JqF)

King Harv is calling ALL the shots....

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 29, 2025 03:04 PM (wtvvX)

130 I don't read or listen to any political pundits unless by accident. I listen to Adam Carolla but just mostly to hear him bitch. He's the funniest bitcher evah.

Posted by: polynikes at August 29, 2025 03:05 PM (EYmYM)

131 Maybe they're just mad they're not getting paid too.

Posted by: JohnFNotKerry at August 29, 2025 03:05 PM (wQPGd)

132 125 Thanks to everybody who prayed for my mom. She's home, now. She passed away in her sleep, likely peaceably.

Good bless you all.

Posted by: Axeman at August 29, 2025 03:02 PM (GoBh/)

May she Rest in Peace, Axeman.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 29, 2025 03:05 PM (wtvvX)

133 Axeman may her memory be for a blessing

Posted by: gKWVE at August 29, 2025 03:06 PM (gKWVE)

134 Come on, Ace. We all know you get weekly checks from the Elders of Zion and Project 2025.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 29, 2025 02:55 PM (s0JqF)

King Harv is calling ALL the shots....
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 29, 2025 03:04 PM (wtvvX)
____________________________

VESPA residual checks? I mean, no one promotes those sissy little mobiles for free other than Pee Wee Herman, or Pauley Shore.

Posted by: Orson at August 29, 2025 03:06 PM (dIske)

135 Good bless you all.
Posted by: Axeman at August 29, 2025 03:02 PM (GoBh/)

Sorry to hear that Axeman. Praying for comfort for your family.

Posted by: polynikes at August 29, 2025 03:06 PM (EYmYM)

136 Weighting is widely recognized as the secret sauce in most of polling today and is actually the least scrutinized along with the unknowable non response bias problem for any particular poll.

If you believe polling large numbers of people change their mind on who they are going to vote for in the lead up to an election.

While I know plenty of LIVs and they will often tell me they aren't sure who they are voting for (and no I'm not pressuring them for an answer) I don't really believe they are bouncing back and forth between the candidates as the polls seem to indicate. They really haven't thought about it yet in detail and so would be "undecided" until at some point...they decide and they usually stick with it.

But you don't see nearly enough of this pattern with early polling saying something like 25% Jones, 20% Smith, 55% I don't know

Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:07 PM (sKqQm)

137 Question do you have to cash your Project 2025 checks before the end of the year? And when will I get my Project 2026 checks?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:08 PM (sKqQm)

138 Sorry for your loss Axeman

Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:08 PM (sKqQm)

139
Good bless you all.
Posted by: Axeman at August 29, 2025 03:02 PM (GoBh/)

I'm so sorry for your loss, my condolences.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 29, 2025 03:08 PM (CueAq)

140 Could be some Republicans who want even more hardcore from Trump. There are a few people even on this site who never seem to be happy and will always find something to complain about, even when Trump is opening up cans of whup-ass all over the place. I've heard more shitting on Bondi and Kash here than on DU. Only half joking.
Posted by: Elric The Blade

I may not be happy that he hasn't went Vlad Tepes on the left, but I wouldn't answer I'm not happy.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 29, 2025 03:08 PM (UZOIv)

141 Posted by: Axeman at August 29, 2025 03:02 PM

Maybe the best way to go, condolences

Posted by: Skip at August 29, 2025 03:09 PM (+qU29)

142 125 Thanks to everybody who prayed for my mom. She's home, now. She passed away in her sleep, likely peaceably.

Good bless you all.
Posted by: Axeman at August 29, 2025 03:02 PM (GoBh/)

Axeman -
So sorry to hear the of the passing of your mom. It totally rocked my world when I lost my mom, so you have my sympathies. May she rest in God's peace. And may the Good Lord comfort you and your family in this difficult time.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at August 29, 2025 03:09 PM (N39Ws)

143 Thanks to everybody who prayed for my mom. She's home, now. She passed away in her sleep, likely peaceably.

Good bless you all.

Posted by: Axeman

You have my deepest condolences. I am so sorry for your loss.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 29, 2025 03:09 PM (UZOIv)

144 Axeman , Condolences to you and your family

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 29, 2025 03:09 PM (Kp8LC)

145 136 While I know plenty of LIVs and they will often tell me they aren't sure who they are voting for (and no I'm not pressuring them for an answer) I don't really believe they are bouncing back and forth between the candidates as the polls seem to indicate. They really haven't thought about it yet in detail and so would be "undecided" until at some point...they decide and they usually stick with it.

But you don't see nearly enough of this pattern with early polling saying something like 25% Jones, 20% Smith, 55% I don't know
Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:07 PM (sKqQm)

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I've suspected for a while that actual indies who flux from one party to the next are actually immaterially small and the presidential election game is more about getting leaners who will only vote for one party to actually self-start to get to the polls.

GOTV efforts can move some of these people, but ultimately, it's about getting loyal but unreliable votes out.

An approach to polling that tries to take that into account more fully would be potentially useful. Some do this (measuring super voters and overweighting them or something), but I suspect it's just largely not done.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 03:10 PM (GBKbO)

146 Posted by: Axeman at August 29, 2025 03:02 PM (GoBh/)
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Very sorry, Axeman. Condolences to you and your loved ones.

Posted by: scampydog at August 29, 2025 03:10 PM (2bFN5)

147 125 Thanks to everybody who prayed for my mom. She's home, now. She passed away in her sleep, likely peaceably.

Good bless you all.
Posted by: Axeman
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May her memories be a blessing and comfort and may your family be comforted by the Lord.

Posted by: whig at August 29, 2025 03:10 PM (ctrM5)

148 Man I hate rumbling and lighting without any rain. Damn Rain teaser.

Posted by: polynikes at August 29, 2025 03:10 PM (EYmYM)

149
Axeman, may your mother RIP.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 29, 2025 03:11 PM (GlwZS)

150 Both sides are only filled with lies.

I’m supposed to care about and want Lisa Cook fired for mortgage fraud.. at the same time I’m told that David Malpass is going to take her spot.. a guy who should currently be in jail for destroying millions upon millions of lives GLOBALLY via, you guessed it, mortgage fraud.

Please, someone, make it make sense. Influencers, on both sides, peddling narratives while kicking you in the nuts with that same narrative has become the status quo and partially behind the monetization drive. I think. How else could someone say “look at Lisa Cook” but say “Ken Paxton’s mortgage fraud isn’t real” or “David Malpass didn’t help facilitate globally detrimental mortgage fraud while at Bear Stearns, he’s a great American!”

Posted by: The Letter J at August 29, 2025 03:11 PM (Z/h4+)

151 I may not be happy that he hasn't went Vlad Tepes on the left, but I wouldn't answer I'm not happy.

Some people get the meta-politics around this stuff, some don't.

If you are unhappy that Trump isn't doing enough and you say so the media will take that as you are unhappy that Trump is doing too much.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:11 PM (sKqQm)

152 Sorry to hear about your loss, Axeman.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 03:12 PM (GBKbO)

153 Even Roberts is getting sick of the lower courts shenanigans. The SC has been smacking them back bit by bit. There is , I predict, a hammer coming down when one these case reaches the court again.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 29, 2025 03:12 PM (Kp8LC)

154 Ken Klippenstein

Sometimes I think Jews are just asking for people to say something anti-Semitic.

Be like being a black man named Simeon Bananington or a redneck named Bubba Sistabangs.

Posted by: Saar, Do Not Redeem! at August 29, 2025 03:13 PM (43by1)

155 Posted by: The Letter J at August 29, 2025 03:11 PM (Z/h

Says you. And who are you?

Posted by: polynikes at August 29, 2025 03:13 PM (EYmYM)

156 I don't think it's in Roberts to do anything but write disappoints

Posted by: Skip at August 29, 2025 03:13 PM (+qU29)

157 You know what would be a fun exercise in polling?

Ask someone if they will vote R or D for a particular election.

Then later ask them which candidate they support and do not let your questioner provide the party of the candidates.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:14 PM (sKqQm)

158 I've suspected for a while that actual indies who flux from one party to the next are actually immaterially small and the presidential election game is more about getting leaners who will only vote for one party to actually self-start to get to the polls.

GOTV efforts can move some of these people, but ultimately, it's about getting loyal but unreliable votes out.

An approach to polling that tries to take that into account more fully would be potentially useful. Some do this (measuring super voters and overweighting them or something), but I suspect it's just largely not done.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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You are correct on the indy thing--about mebbe 5 percent of the electorate (which still can swing a close race if these are in the right states like Carter Ford or JFK Nixon). Most indys are leaners toward one party or the other--these are often the ones that drop out when the party nominees are undesirable to them rather than vote for the opponent.

I think McCain and Dole on the GOP side and probably Kamala in 2024 and McGovern before her.

Posted by: whig at August 29, 2025 03:14 PM (ctrM5)

159 "I can't get nooo
Satisfaction"

But Dems did it ... they got no (0%) satisfaction.

Republicans were only around 2-3% under Biden, but that was with all the 80-20 stuff Biden was against, like open borders for cartels, and trans'ing of children, etc. Even Dems were below 50%.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 29, 2025 03:14 PM (vbXSk)

160 The percentage of Southern Democrats in 1861 who, if polled, would have condemned both the institution of slavery and going to war would not be zero. What does this tell us about the schism in our country? (Or the methodology of this survey?)

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at August 29, 2025 03:14 PM (03I94)

161 Weighting is widely recognized as the secret sauce
Posted by: whig at August 29, 2025 03:00 PM

If weighting were that important, I'd be Governor of Georgia.

Posted by: Stacey A. at August 29, 2025 03:14 PM (0sNs1)

162 Most equal high point on that chart was Bush 2002.
We all the accepted the bs, interpreted differently by group.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 29, 2025 03:14 PM (6dHiP)

163 My Condolences, Axeman.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 29, 2025 03:15 PM (Dv3i1)

164 How is polling done nowadays?

Posted by: Ok, I'll ask at August 29, 2025 03:16 PM (V5Ka4)

165 I’m late to this thread but 0% of Dems support Trump?? Nothing screams cult louder than this stat. The democrat party is a non-thinking cult

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 29, 2025 03:17 PM (ANuwa)

166 Condolences Axeman

Posted by: DaveA at August 29, 2025 03:17 PM (FhXTo)

167 Posted by: Axeman at August 29, 2025 03:02 PM (GoBh/)

Don’t grieve for me, for now I’m free!
I follow the plan God laid for me.
I saw His face, I heard His call,
I took His hand and left it all…
I could not stay another day,
To love, to laugh, to work or play;
Tasks left undone must stay that way.
And if my parting has left a void,
Then fill it with remembered joy.
A friendship shared, a laugh, a kiss…
Ah yes, these things I, too, shall miss.
My life’s been full, I’ve savored much:
Good times, good friends, a loved-one’s touch.
Perhaps my time seemed all too brief –
Don’t shorten yours with undue grief.
Be not burdened with tears of sorrow,
Enjoy the sunshine of the morrow.

Bless you and your dearly departed mother, Axeman.

Posted by: Inogame at August 29, 2025 03:17 PM (53oGX)

168 Speaking of getting to the polls, I looked at the raw vote numbers from that Iowa State Senate election and the R candidate got way less then half as many votes as the guy running in the regular cycle last time.

There are way, way too many right leaning voters that need to be babied to get them to the polls.

Now, that's the reality right now and that means the GOP better be babying them, but its a real problem that right leaning not overly political people do not turn out to vote if not given an explicit reason to...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:18 PM (sKqQm)

169 160 The percentage of Southern Democrats in 1861 who, if polled, would have condemned both the institution of slavery and going to war would not be zero. What does this tell us about the schism in our country? (Or the methodology of this survey?)
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at August 29, 2025 03:14 PM (03I94)

I don't know about that, but I think the methodology of this survey is poor. All they're saying is that if you still call yourself a Democrat, you're very unhappy with the way things have been going. If you like the way things have been going, then you will no longer be a Democrat.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 29, 2025 03:19 PM (uWKK8)

170 155

What am I wrong about? Hmmmm. Are you going to fully support Malpass when he’s chosen?

Posted by: The Letter J at August 29, 2025 03:19 PM (Z/h4+)

171 I’m late to this thread but 0% of Dems support Trump?? Nothing screams cult louder than this stat. The democrat party is a non-thinking cult

There are lefties damning him for reducing crime even as we speak.

But again, this isn't about traditional notions of politics - Trump could cure cancer, hunger, and bring back the McRib and as long as he was cutting off grifting money to the left they would give him 0% support.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:19 PM (sKqQm)

172 Study suggests diet and exercise safeguard liver from alcohol damage
By Dennis Thompson, HealthDay News

TLDR: Exercise more, drink more!

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 29, 2025 03:20 PM (Dv3i1)

173 But you don't see nearly enough of this pattern with early polling saying something like 25% Jones, 20% Smith, 55% I don't know
Posted by: 18-1
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The problem with weighting is the implicit assumption that the respondent who answers is actually a 'good' representative of that particular demographic. Thus, if your secret sauce believes 25 percent of the electorate are AWFLs, then the respondents that you manage to get to complete the interview are weighting in influence to compose that entire 25 percent block. Same with minorities, same with white males, etc.

Back in the Gallup heyday, everyone had land lines, those land lines were stable (people kept their numbers and those corresponding with geographic area codes). If you had to, using a phone number as a key like SSN, you can impute missing values based on public databases like presumed age, income, etc.

Nowadays, with number porting, cell phones, etc., that technique is effectively dead. So you get scientific wild ass guessing that the respondents you get represent the entire sample of that subgroup you are aiming to survey. Don't get enough respondents, then you weight the ones you have aka clone them essentially.

Posted by: whig at August 29, 2025 03:20 PM (ctrM5)

174 Busted.
Methinks they doth protest too much.

Posted by: wth at August 29, 2025 03:20 PM (UjdFS)

175 Axeman, I'm glad her passing was peaceful, for your sake as well as yours.

Posted by: Wenda at August 29, 2025 03:20 PM (utsBX)

176 Does anyone else think this pacman guy looks like David Hogg? Soy boys both

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 29, 2025 03:22 PM (i5Vkf)

177 Taylor Lorenz must have aged ten years this week.

Posted by: wth at August 29, 2025 03:23 PM (UjdFS)

178 @168

>>not overly political people do not turn out to vote if not given an explicit reason to...

Let's face it, Trump motivates reluctant voters to come out by..

Offering reasons.
Showmanship.

While nobody can be Trump, they could emulate him.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 29, 2025 03:23 PM (XV/Pl)

179 161 Weighting is widely recognized as the secret sauce
Posted by: whig at August
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An us against them, on the car radio, poll yesterday, noted that 76% of those polled against the idea were women. However that fact was not mentioned in the poll; only, what a high % of people were against whatever (I was driving) conservative thing was being polled.

It's coming out more and more than women are the majority left driving constituency. Limbaugh spoke to that when referring to his early invites to the Hamptons.

Blessed are the ettes. Blessed are we to have them here.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 29, 2025 03:23 PM (6dHiP)

180 Heh re the final graph, so as Biden went on, the more kremlinesque things got, the happier the DNC faithful got.

ROFL. That's telling. I wonder if it spiked for the Reichstag blood red speech?

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at August 29, 2025 03:23 PM (zZu0s)

181 Does anyone else think this pacman guy looks like David Hogg? Soy boys both
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 29, 2025 03:22 PM (i5Vkf)

I don't think he looks like Hogg. He does, however, look like someone who keeps an extensive collection of kidnapped children in his basement.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 29, 2025 03:24 PM (ExV1e)

182 Federal crimes were committed here. These people were paid to make political endorsements and they did not report that. The SEC and the FEC should be taking a very hard look at who got paid and who paid them.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 29, 2025 03:24 PM (0N4FZ)

183 "I’m late to this thread but 0% of Dems support Trump?? Nothing screams cult louder than this stat. The democrat party is a non-thinking cult"

Expressing the slightest bit of approval or agreement with Trump will get you thrown out of the hive and the end of your social life. No Dem wants to risk that, even in confidential poll.

Posted by: Ripley at August 29, 2025 03:24 PM (GUOwU)

184 The problem with weighting is the implicit assumption that the respondent who answers is actually a 'good' representative of that particular demographic.

I think you could iterate on this.

Pay people to be your respondents over time, and then compare how accurate they are to the observed election results, and then decide how good of a representative they are of whatever demographic you are trying to capture. I think I heard Rasmussen does something like this.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:24 PM (sKqQm)

185 180 Heh re the final graph, so as Biden went on, the more kremlinesque things got, the happier the DNC faithful got.

ROFL. That's telling. I wonder if it spiked for the Reichstag blood red speech?
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at August 29, 2025 03:23 PM (zZu0s)

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I suspect it's more about buildup to an election where Democrats wanted to keep things as they were rather than change to Trump. So, if they want to keep things under Democrat control rather than change to Trump, then things in America must be pretty good.

I think it's worth to note, as well, that the one major blue dip in Biden's presidency seems to have been October of 2022 when 25% of the stock market got wiped out in a few weeks.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 03:25 PM (GBKbO)

186 184 I think you could iterate on this.

Pay people to be your respondents over time, and then compare how accurate they are to the observed election results, and then decide how good of a representative they are of whatever demographic you are trying to capture. I think I heard Rasmussen does something like this.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:24 PM (sKqQm)

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LA Times did this in 2016, if I remember correctly.

Predicted Trump's win.

They didn't do it again.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 03:26 PM (GBKbO)

187 I’m supposed to care about and want Lisa Cook fired for mortgage fraud.. at the same time I’m told that David Malpass is going to take her spot.. a guy who should currently be in jail for destroying millions upon millions of lives GLOBALLY via, you guessed it, mortgage fraud.

Please, someone, make it make sense,"

Here, I'll make it make sense. I want Lisa Cook fired because she's an ignorant and incompetent black bitch who has absolutely no understanding of finance at all, and was only put in there to toe the far left party line on any possible question. I don't care why or how they toss her out, it just needs to be done now.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 29, 2025 03:26 PM (uWKK8)

188 181 Does anyone else think this pacman guy looks like David Hogg? Soy boys both
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 29, 2025 03:22 PM (i5Vkf)

I don't think he looks like Hogg. He does, however, look like someone who keeps an extensive collection of kidnapped children in his basement.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 29, 2025 03:24 PM (ExV1e)

Eh. The both have that vegan cyclist look.

I'll bet they have very high sperms counts. In their asses.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at August 29, 2025 03:27 PM (z5QST)

189 Pay people to be your respondents over time, and then compare how accurate they are to the observed election results, and then decide how good of a representative they are of whatever demographic you are trying to capture. I think I heard Rasmussen does something like this.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:24 PM (sKqQm)

There was a poll in 2016 that did something similar. They had a set group of people, I want to say 1500. And they asked them every week who are you voting for. And that was the only poll that predicted a Trump win consistently, and was also dismissed as an outlier by the media .

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 29, 2025 03:27 PM (wrRTB)

190 Speaking of surveys (from my %$*&^ Yahoo finance news feed):

"US consumer sentiment declined to a three-month low as consumers in a University of Michigan survey suggested they expect inflation to surge over the next year."

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Consumer sentiment plunged in the exact timeframe the promised recession failed to materialize. The Bubble works. Gaslighting works.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at August 29, 2025 03:27 PM (03I94)

191 It's coming out more and more than women are the majority left driving constituency. Limbaugh spoke to that when referring to his early invites to the Hamptons.

All across the western world women are moving further and further left.

Now in general this is NOT true of married women, but the average single woman in 2025 is further left then those that would have called themselves extreme left 20 years ago.

If I put on my realpolitik hat its pretty clear that big government has become the pseudo-husband for this women - giving them welfare/no doing government jobs and even meaning in life.

I don't know how you fix this honestly.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:28 PM (sKqQm)

192 190 Speaking of surveys (from my %$*&^ Yahoo finance news feed):

"US consumer sentiment declined to a three-month low as consumers in a University of Michigan survey suggested they expect inflation to surge over the next year."

--

Consumer sentiment plunged in the exact timeframe the promised recession failed to materialize. The Bubble works. Gaslighting works.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at August 29, 2025 03:27 PM (03I94)

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That particular survey is notoriously unreliable.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 03:28 PM (GBKbO)

193 191 If I put on my realpolitik hat its pretty clear that big government has become the pseudo-husband for this women - giving them welfare/no doing government jobs and even meaning in life.

I don't know how you fix this honestly.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:28 PM (sKqQm)

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I'm still holding onto the theory that female preferences are trailing indicators rather than leading indicators as potentially true.

Essentially, Gen-Z men will make Gen-Z women more conservative over time in the aggregate as women decide to match with men.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 03:29 PM (GBKbO)

194 There was a poll in 2016 that did something similar. They had a set group of people, I want to say 1500. And they asked them every week who are you voting for. And that was the only poll that predicted a Trump win consistently, and was also dismissed as an outlier by the media .
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
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LA Times panel survey. They did not do it for 2020.

Posted by: whig at August 29, 2025 03:30 PM (ctrM5)

195 The problem with leftist Dem influencers is the same as it was with Air America. No one wants to listen to arrogant, sanctimonious, unfunny jagoffs

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 29, 2025 03:30 PM (Kp8LC)

196 No one is paying me for my opinions. This is surprising, right?

Honestly, why do they keep doing things like this and think it will never see the light of day? These are people we are talking about. People who like attention and limelight.

Posted by: Piper at August 29, 2025 03:30 PM (p4NUW)

197 I'm still holding onto the theory that female preferences are trailing indicators rather than leading indicators as potentially true.

Essentially, Gen-Z men will make Gen-Z women more conservative over time in the aggregate as women decide to match with men.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 03:29 PM (GBKbO)

This is why they are transing all the womens... to keep them left!

Posted by: Inogame at August 29, 2025 03:31 PM (53oGX)

198 Now in general this is NOT true of married women, but the average single woman in 2025 is further left then those that would have called themselves extreme left 20 years ago.

If I put on my realpolitik hat its pretty clear that big government has become the pseudo-husband for this women - giving them welfare/no doing government jobs and even meaning in life.

I don't know how you fix this honestly.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:28 PM (sKqQm)

My anecdotal experience is that even married women are more left. I think females have more empathy so just want to help people and are therefore sensitive to dem-type emotional appeals. Even the love Mrs VanPelt has expressed disapproval of Trump for being “mean”… and she voted for him!

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 29, 2025 03:31 PM (ANuwa)

199 HAHAHA. The Left already "Funds" all mainsteam media. What morons these LIBS are.

Posted by: Esperman at August 29, 2025 03:31 PM (/Q3Jo)

200 If I put on my realpolitik hat its pretty clear that big government has become the pseudo-husband for this women - giving them welfare/no doing government jobs and even meaning in life.

I don't know how you fix this honestly.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:28 PM (sKqQm)

That's what Obama's "Life of Julia" was all about.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, where's MY 8K??? at August 29, 2025 03:32 PM (PiwSw)

201 Nood

Posted by: tankdemon at August 29, 2025 03:32 PM (jfvTO)

202 Essentially, Gen-Z men will make Gen-Z women more conservative over time in the aggregate as women decide to match with men.

I have seen that right leaning men will tend to move their girlfriends/wives to the right over time.

But traditionally the thing that really moves women to the right is raising children and the single female cohort we are talking about does not want to have kids...

Occasionally as a mental exercise I wonder how America would look if in order to vote you have to be married and have had at least one child (counting adoption of course).

Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:32 PM (sKqQm)

203 Even on the softest of softball survey questions you could possibly ask here, you're not going to get 0% Ginger supporters.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 29, 2025 03:32 PM (0sNs1)

204 >>>
While nobody can be Trump, they could emulate him.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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Doc and I were talking about Vance. He asserted concern that he lacks the necessary charisma.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 29, 2025 03:32 PM (6dHiP)

205 Some Dem friends of ours claim they are of course opposed to government fraud and waste, but Trump is "doing it wrong" in the way he's working to scale it back. A lefty relative calls herself a "peacemonger" and yet is spitting mad about Trump despite the spectacular success he is having reducing warfare around the world. Another relative, whose job involves keeping up-to-date on financial news, insists Trump's tariffs are ruining our economy ("He doesn't care about people; he only cares about winning!").

It's almost like they are lying to themselves about having righteous convictions.

Posted by: Emmie at August 29, 2025 03:32 PM (oZ3Fs)

206 187 I want her removed too if she committed mortgage fraud!

I’m not going to swallow David Malpass taking her spot tho. Are you??? are you going to support Malpass taking her spot?

That’s the most hypocritical thing someone could possibly do.

It’s like saying we need to lock a felon up for having a gun after committing a felony.. but then letting a guy off for murder with MILLIONS of eye witnesses and a WSJ Aug 2007 oped smoking gun lol

Posted by: The Letter J at August 29, 2025 03:33 PM (Z/h4+)

207
Who tf are the 24% republicans that are not happy???
Posted by: rickb223 at August 29, 2025 02:34 PM (UZOIv)

Unemployed Chilean (legal) Immigrant Helicopter Pilots

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 29, 2025 03:33 PM (y9nCu)

208 Joni Ernst might not run for reelection 2026. I don't , strangely, have the sadz

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 29, 2025 03:33 PM (Kp8LC)

209 The problem with leftist Dem influencers is the same as it was with Air America. No one wants to listen to arrogant, sanctimonious, unfunny jagoffs
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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WHAT?!

Oh, wait a minute, I was thinking of a different Air America...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 29, 2025 03:35 PM (XeU6L)

210 It's almost like they are lying to themselves about having righteous convictions.

Leftists almost never care about whatever the issue they claim to care about is and that's why you'll see this sort of behavior where Trump gives them what they want and they still aren't happy.

Try this mental exercise - ask them, SPECIFICALLY, what would be the #1, serious, thing Trump could do to win them over and see what they say. So no "resign" or "copy Biden's policies"...just one EO he could create or one law he could push for from congress...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:35 PM (sKqQm)

211 Pay people to be your respondents over time, and then compare how accurate they are to the observed election results, and then decide how good of a representative they are of whatever demographic you are trying to capture. I think I heard Rasmussen does something like this.
Posted by: 18-1
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I knew some people associated with NORC that were experimenting with doing that. Biggest reason though taht polls are shitty is that a) they are never intended to be considered anything more than a media talking point (polls for media), b) private polling IS very accurate but (c), it is very expensive. Ideally you have a list survey and an area survey. You use the area survey to correct the list survey. USDA farm surveys are designed like this and so are certain Census Bureau surveys. The area survey is you take random blocs of areas and survey everyone in that area--door to door if need be and go and find values to impute if necessary from respondents. That sets your known error rate for your list survey (and also corrects it for future use).

Really expensive to do that as in over a billion per year for the USDA Stats Service and state partners.

Posted by: whig at August 29, 2025 03:36 PM (ctrM5)

212 Essentially, Gen-Z men will make Gen-Z women more conservative over time in the aggregate as women decide to match with men.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 29, 2025 03:29 PM (GBKbO)

One wonders if any women who "don't need no man" ever wakes up and realizes the enormous lie they were fed.

A few years back, my SIL - an ultra-misandrist - broke down crying over how she hadn't wanted to get old alone, with no kids. When my MIL told the story, I was flabbergasted. Like, how could she have thought that any man would tolerate her open hostility toward men in favor of THE SISTERHOOD? Now she'll die alone. Broken and bitter, just as she lived her life.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 29, 2025 03:36 PM (ExV1e)

213 My anecdotal experience is that even married women are more left. I think females have more empathy so just want to help people and are therefore sensitive to dem-type emotional appeals. Even the love Mrs VanPelt has expressed disapproval of Trump for being “mean”… and she voted for him!
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 29, 2025 03:31 PM (ANuwa)

I dunno, my wife makes Barry Goldwater look like Jonah Goldberg...
"it's not a sandwich, pussy!" That's a direct quote...

Posted by: Inogame at August 29, 2025 03:37 PM (53oGX)

214 "Essentially, Gen-Z men will make Gen-Z women more conservative over time in the aggregate as women decide to match with men."

Younger men used to move to the left, or pretend to, in order to increase their prospects. The left knew this and focused on propagandizing young women. That model is coming to an end as the left has become so visibly insane and anti-male.

Posted by: Ripley at August 29, 2025 03:37 PM (GUOwU)

215 >>>But traditionally the thing that really moves women to the right is raising children and the single female cohort we are talking about does not want to have kids...

Occasionally as a mental exercise I wonder how America would look if in order to vote you have to be married and have had at least one child (counting adoption of course).

Posted by: 18-1
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Both men and women are genetically infused with the desire to make/have children. There is something missing or *adulterated in the code for one to be otherwise.

*familial or cultural environment, among other things

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 29, 2025 03:37 PM (6dHiP)

216 It's almost like they are lying to themselves about having righteous convictions.
Posted by: Emmie
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Projection. Another 'Progressive' characteristic.

Posted by: Hypocrisy at August 29, 2025 03:38 PM (XeU6L)

217 Maybe I’m misremembering, but didn’t scotus already dispose of/treat as appealable PI a precious employment/termination related TRO? Thought Kav or Gorsuch said, essentially, you can call it a duck, but it ain’t.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at August 29, 2025 03:40 PM (hlNLQ)

218 A few years back, my SIL - an ultra-misandrist - broke down crying over how she hadn't wanted to get old alone, with no kids.

The "you need a corporate job, not a man" BS feminists have bought into really amazes me.

On my deathbed I'm not going to wish I had written more PowerPoints with my time on earth.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:41 PM (sKqQm)

219 Nood judges

Posted by: 18-1 at August 29, 2025 03:42 PM (sKqQm)

220
“Socialism defies logic. You see, it is an emotional impulse, a kind of worldly religion, and nobody has the slightest need to study or even to read the teachings of its early prophets. Their books are judged by hearsay; their conclusions are accepted ready-made.”
_Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 29, 2025 03:48 PM (6dHiP)

221 Tic Tokers vs the DNC the Pot and Kettle are at War

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at August 29, 2025 05:36 PM (wGqjj)

222 0%, is a mental issue, not even philosophical.

Posted by: wickedpinto at August 29, 2025 09:06 PM (XKj0h)

223 Martin Armstrong never recovered after it was found out he was a paid shill for GWB administration.

Posted by: PTSD giver at August 29, 2025 10:08 PM (vvIbr)

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