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New York Times Cries: Population Shifts Mean That the GOP Will Have a Near-Lock on the Electoral College in 2032

Based on current population trends, they scream that if Democrats win the "Blue Wall" states of MI, WI, and PA in 2032, and win Nevada too, they... still lose. The base red states will have enough electoral votes to put Vance (or whoever) over the 271 electoral votes needed to win.


The year is 2032. Studying the Electoral College map, a Democratic presidential candidate can no longer plan to sweep New Hampshire, Minnesota and the "blue wall" battlegrounds of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and win the White House. A victory in the swing state of Nevada would not help, either.

That is the nightmare scenario many Democratic Party insiders see playing out if current U.S. population projections hold. After every decennial census, like the one coming up in 2030, congressional seats are reallocated among the states based on population shifts. Those seats in turn affect how big a prize each state is within the Electoral College -- or how a candidate actually wins the presidency.

In the next decade, the Electoral College will tilt significantly away from Democrats.

Deeply conservative Texas and Florida could gain a total of five congressional seats, and the red states of Utah and Idaho are each expected to add a seat.
...

Those gains will come at the expense of major Democratic states like New York and California, according to a New York Times analysis of population projections by Esri, a nonpartisan company whose mapping software and demographic data are widely used by businesses and governments across the world.

New York will lose one electoral vote and the once-mighty California will lose three.

...

Across all of the possible scenarios in the nine states that would be considered battlegrounds in the 2032 election, Democrats would see about a third of their current winning Electoral College combinations disappear if population projections hold. However, when looking only at the most feasible winning combinations based on voting behaviors in the 2024 election, the outlook is far worse. Of Democrats' 25 most plausible paths to victory in 2024, only five would remain.

Some groups have arrived at an even more challenging outlook for Democrats in 2032. For example, the Brennan Center for Justice, a nonpartisan organization, projected Republicans to have three more safe seats from Texas and Florida, and New York to lose one more seat than The Times's projection.

The Times looked at nine swing states -- the Classic 7 from 2024, plus bubble-swing states NH and Minnesota -- and they found that sixty six of the combinations that would win the WH for Democrats in 2024 will lose it for them in 2032. (Or result in a tie, which would favor the GOP in the state-by-state congressional delegation tiebreaker vote.)

Here are the first dozen of so of those win-in-2024, lose-in-2032 combinations:

victoryscenarios.jpg

Meanwhile, red states seem to be ready to redistrict in time for the 2026 midterms. Reportedly, Missouri is ready to redistrict. It's currently a 7-2 split in MO, and they hope to add red areas to Eldridge Cleaver's district to make it a Republican pick-up.

Florida, Ohio, and Indiana may also redistrict:

I saw someone claim that the GOP might wind up being +13 through redistricting, so that even if CA forces through a constitutional amendment to let Newsom draw the districts, we'd still wind up +8. I don't know about that, though. Seems high.

NBC's DEI Dum-Dum is mad:

Posted by: Ace at 02:26 PM




Comments

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1 Kristin, you ignorant slut...

Posted by: huerfano at August 25, 2025 02:27 PM (98kQX)

2 Top 5

Posted by: Crusader at August 25, 2025 02:27 PM (TN0g+)

3 hey-oooo!

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 25, 2025 02:27 PM (uWKK8)

4 This is why Newsome seeking to Gerrymander California further is not a story.

Apportionment is going to hurt the Dems more than all the Gerrymandering that Republicans are willing to employ.

Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2025 02:28 PM (Z1dZR)

5 Nevada population should be holding even at best, not growing. Las Vegas took a big hit with the Covid scare and hasn't really ever recovered.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 25, 2025 02:29 PM (uWKK8)

6 The way the Senate is set up and also House of Representatives, it gives a natural advantage to red states/Republicans.

Yet somehow Democrats mysteriously outperform.

They've already conceded the census was done incorrectly and it "unexpectedly" gave Democrats an advantage.

I'm sure they will somehow find a way to once again rig it.

Posted by: Leupold at August 25, 2025 02:29 PM (4pwAx)

7 The problem will be if those states can keep their rightward lean if enough Democrats move their to escape the shitty policies they demanded in their old states.

Just look at AZ, which should be dark red, but which wasn't a sure lock for Trump, and that sends liberals to the house and Senate

Posted by: Rbastid at August 25, 2025 02:30 PM (pbBzW)

8 Getting Illegals out of the Census Count is the Biggest Win on the Table, here.

Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2025 02:30 PM (Z1dZR)

9 Oh please, CA is not going to redistrict at all, let alone before 2026. They can't legally do it right now, and even if they could it would backfire. The CA gerrymander is already stretched so thin they had to steal 3-4 seats in 2024 just to get where they are.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:30 PM (iFTx/)

10 Combine the GOP finally getting off its ass about gerrymandering (outside of, like TN) with the 2030 census now.

A 2030 census with 6 solid years of deportation efforts and positive reinforcement for self-deportation and a complete illegal stop at the border.

A 2030 census that doesn't include the (intentional) errors from 2020 where the Census Director was more dedicated to "undervoiced" people than actual counting?

The Democrat Party has arguably been a rump, regional party since Obama wiped it out in 2010. They've papered over the problem with fortification and then outright cheating on the census while actively making the underlying issues worse ever since.

I can't wait until the Democrat Party as a whole realizes that Obama destroyed them nationally.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:30 PM (GBKbO)

11 Cry. Harder.

This is what I voted for.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at August 25, 2025 02:30 PM (buExO)

12 NY times headline left me hanging, they didn't tell me whether this a good thing

Posted by: NJ Class Traitor at August 25, 2025 02:30 PM (KVJAR)

13 9 Oh please, CA is not going to redistrict at all, let alone before 2026. They can't legally do it right now, and even if they could it would backfire. The CA gerrymander is already stretched so thin they had to steal 3-4 seats in 2024 just to get where they are.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:30 PM (iFTx/)

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They got the resolution to put the question on the ballot through the legislature, at least.

I still don't think it gets there, but they're making more than noises about it, at least.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:31 PM (GBKbO)

14 They can still count as many votes as the want for as long as they want in the big cities of the swing states. They may have called off the machine that put Biden in office for 2024, but they'll never do that again.

Posted by: xoutforin at August 25, 2025 02:31 PM (iCwT3)

15 Nevada population should be holding even at best, not growing. Las Vegas took a big hit with the Covid scare and hasn't really ever recovered.
Posted by: Tom Servo

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There was some article in the WSJ that a lot of the data shows that its Republicans fleeing CA that are moving to Nevada, turning the once blue state, red. It's like the #1 destination for CA Republicans.

Posted by: Leupold at August 25, 2025 02:31 PM (4pwAx)

16 Imagine the horror democrats must feel that in order to win they might actually have to start appealing to American interests.

Posted by: buzzion at August 25, 2025 02:31 PM (aRLgQ)

17 Why does any Republican talk to Welker ?

Posted by: It's me donna at August 25, 2025 02:32 PM (VE6XX)

18 4 This is why Newsome seeking to Gerrymander California further is not a story.

Apportionment is going to hurt the Dems more than all the Gerrymandering that Republicans are willing to employ.
Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2025 02:28 PM (Z1dZR)

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Maybe a CA gerrymander can prevent problems for Democrats in 2026.

But a difference of 5 seats (assuming they could actually win them) to make a difference in the House? We're talking about a razor-thin majority for Democrats.

That's not exactly 2002 we're looking at.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:32 PM (GBKbO)

19 The Democrat party is a cancer-ridden, dying husk.

Me likey.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 25, 2025 02:32 PM (wtvvX)

20 "Population Shifts Mean That the GOP Will Have a Near-Lock on the Electoral College in 2032"

I'd love for that to be true. But we can't even predict what will happen in 2026, let alone 2032. I keep hearing aliens will invade by then anyway.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:32 PM (iFTx/)

21 8 Getting Illegals out of the Census Count is the Biggest Win on the Table, here.
Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2025 02:30 PM (Z1dZR)

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I don't think it happens that the 2030 census doesn't count them. Just...too much caselaw combining with the word "persons" to get around.

However, 6 years of deportations will affect it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:33 PM (GBKbO)

22 There was some article in the WSJ that a lot of the data shows that its Republicans fleeing CA that are moving to Nevada, turning the once blue state, red. It's like the #1 destination for CA Republicans.

Posted by: Leupold at August 25, 2025 02:31 PM (4pwAx)

Yup... My Step Daughter and Husband moved there last year from Riverside CA.

Posted by: It's me donna at August 25, 2025 02:33 PM (VE6XX)

23 Good afternoon good people.

Why yes! I DID vote for this.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 25, 2025 02:33 PM (cYBz/)

24 Getting Illegals out of the Census Count is the Biggest Win on the Table, here.

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but it won't be done until...2030 ?

Posted by: runner at August 25, 2025 02:33 PM (g47mK)

25 Oh please, CA is not going to redistrict at all, let alone before 2026. They can't legally do it right now, and even if they could it would backfire. The CA gerrymander is already stretched so thin they had to steal 3-4 seats in 2024 just to get where they are.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:30 PM (iFTx/)

======

They got the resolution to put the question on the ballot through the legislature, at least.

I still don't think it gets there, but they're making more than noises about it, at least.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:31 PM (GBKbO)
_________

There's surely graft and money to be made in preparing for it and making it look like something's happening. But it won't happen.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:33 PM (iFTx/)

26 Why does any Republican talk to Welker ?

Posted by: It's me donna at August 25, 2025 02:32 PM (VE6XX)

I don't know. It seems cruel scoring points on someone so profoundly stupid.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 25, 2025 02:33 PM (i24o9)

27 Everybody was redistricting
those cats were fast as lightning

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 25, 2025 02:33 PM (wVcYX)

28 Hell, our governor threatened to re-gerrymander MA. Um...we already don't have any Republican representation in Congress. How, exactly, was that supposed to work?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 25, 2025 02:34 PM (ySpAZ)

29 Getting Illegals out of the Census Count is the Biggest Win on the Table, here.
Posted by: garrett

==

I know the wording in the Constitution is "persons" and not "citizens", but considering these numbers are for political representation of voters, how on Earth can the SC say that a tens of millions of illegals concentrated in a handful of blue states deserves representation in US elections?

I'm not optimistic, but who knows.

Posted by: Leupold at August 25, 2025 02:34 PM (4pwAx)

30 It's kinda funny how the left are slowly realizing that they don't have any seats left to gain by gerrymandering; they're already maxed out.

CA, even if the amendment passes, which I don't think it will, is going to find that they diluted their seats too much.

Especially since they are counting on mail-in ballots in 2026.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 25, 2025 02:35 PM (HuNM+)

31 Hey, I remember something something... demography is destiny... right?

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 25, 2025 02:35 PM (N1tpc)

32 Hell, our governor threatened to re-gerrymander MA. Um...we already don't have any Republican representation in Congress. How, exactly, was that supposed to work?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 25, 2025 02:34 PM (ySpAZ)
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I've seen Democrats do some amazing "own goals" but that one is right up there with the best.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 25, 2025 02:36 PM (tT6L1)

33 20 "Population Shifts Mean That the GOP Will Have a Near-Lock on the Electoral College in 2032"

I'd love for that to be true. But we can't even predict what will happen in 2026, let alone 2032. I keep hearing aliens will invade by then anyway.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:32 PM (iFTx/)

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I keep thinking that the deathblow to the fed grant machine could affect Democrat turnout as much as the 9/11 attacks or passing the ACA did for them in 2002 and 2010.

We'll see, but that's a lot of money creating a large ecosystem that's suddenly starved.

I was looking at Hispanic Serving Institution grant money this morning. Like, Chaffey College got $3.2 million, as an example. That's dozens of administrators or professors kept employed because of that money, and it's suddenly gone. It doesn't topple Chaffey, but it could topple a few dozen admins who use their positions and salaries to advance the Democrat cause.

Multiply that by about 10,000.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:36 PM (GBKbO)

34 >>but it won't be done until...2030 ?


Trump has called for an early census.

That, too, will be an interesting fight...Constitutionally it is not precluded by the notion of 'every 10 years'.

And I don't believed it has ever been challenged?

Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2025 02:36 PM (Z1dZR)

35
There's surely graft and money to be made in preparing for it and making it look like something's happening. But it won't happen.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:33 PM (iFTx/)

I'm in CA and my husband has gotten 3 texts from Gov. Greaseball begging for money to put this on the ballot... We've also been getting mailers from groups fighting it...

Posted by: It's me donna at August 25, 2025 02:36 PM (VE6XX)

36 We're talking about a razor-thin majority for Democrats.

A one seat majority in the House for Democrats will be rock solid. None of them will consider being a lone wolf for even a second.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 25, 2025 02:36 PM (ExV1e)

37 Is Welker another Democrat spokesbimbo? I've never heard of her.

Posted by: Still lurking up north, read some, don't comment much at August 25, 2025 02:36 PM (kTd/k)

38 I really enjoyed Temu Obama whining about NY "but it was a right-wing judge appointed as a special master by the court that drew the map!"

yeah, sure.

But, the NY Dems also sued and got that map overturned, so NY Dems are going to go back to try and pass the map that even the NY courts found too partisan ....

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 25, 2025 02:37 PM (HuNM+)

39 the sunday show harridan hyrdra of Welker/Brennan/Raddatz getting their weekly beating from Vance or Rubio never gets old

Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at August 25, 2025 02:37 PM (V6W16)

40 21 8 Getting Illegals out of the Census Count is the Biggest Win on the Table, here. Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2025 02:30 PM (Z1dZR)

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I don't think it happens that the 2030 census doesn't count them. Just...too much caselaw combining with the word "persons" to get around. However, 6 years of deportations will affect it. Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes

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Did the article / study assume illegals would be taken out? I mean, if it didn't, then the end result could be even *more* red...

Posted by: bearski at August 25, 2025 02:37 PM (Bhsk7)

41 I know the wording in the Constitution is "persons" and not "citizens", but considering these numbers are for political representation of voters, how on Earth can the SC say that a tens of millions of illegals concentrated in a handful of blue states deserves representation in US elections?

I'm not optimistic, but who knows.
Posted by: Leupold at August 25, 2025 02:34 PM

The Democrats haven't changed since they were trying to count slaves for purposes of congressional representation.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 25, 2025 02:37 PM (ySpAZ)

42 34 Trump has called for an early census.

That, too, will be an interesting fight...Constitutionally it is not precluded by the notion of 'every 10 years'.

And I don't believed it has ever been challenged?
Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2025 02:36 PM (Z1dZR)

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He can do it, whether he can use it to reapportion seats is something I don't think he's allowed. I think that is limited to the decennial census.

But, I also don't think the courts will agree on not counting the illegals for matters of representation.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:37 PM (GBKbO)

43 Our best weapon against the Democratic Party is the Democratic Party.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 25, 2025 02:37 PM (kzHlT)

44 The First Turning always signals the shift to a New Paradigm

Posted by: kallisto at August 25, 2025 02:38 PM (dCxaZ)

45 I don't know. It seems cruel scoring points on someone so profoundly stupid.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 25, 2025 02:33 PM (i24o9)
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But, is it really cruel when the person is under the illusion they're smart and relevant?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 25, 2025 02:38 PM (tT6L1)

46 The massive turnaround in crime in DC caught the attention of normies in Chicago, Detroit, and other leftist shitholes.

Trump might be able to pull off a true miracle here. If he can get inner city blacks to genuinely believe their cities can turn around under Trump or Vance, we might see a shakeup nobody thought was possible.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 25, 2025 02:38 PM (lIio7)

47 Second look at the 3/5ths Compromise?

Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2025 02:38 PM (Z1dZR)

48 36 We're talking about a razor-thin majority for Democrats.

A one seat majority in the House for Democrats will be rock solid. None of them will consider being a lone wolf for even a second.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 25, 2025 02:36 PM (ExV1e)

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Maybe.

But they won't get the Senate, so, at best, they get some performative impeachment theater.

Which the Senate will largely ignore while Democrats scream about how mean daddy Trump is.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:38 PM (GBKbO)

49 Boo hoo whinin' and cryin' ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Black Lives Don't Matter Now That Trump Is Saving Them In DC at August 25, 2025 02:38 PM (i5GX/)

50 If the Executive Branch carries out the Census, and we saw the Democrats clearly rig it with absolutely zero pushback from the SC, why can President JD Vance do the same thing?

Order Census workers not to count illegals. Ignore the SC if they say you have to.

Somehow Dems are able to get by fine this way.

Posted by: Leupold at August 25, 2025 02:38 PM (4pwAx)

51 Oh please, CA is not going to redistrict at all, let alone before 2026. They can't legally do it right now, and even if they could it would backfire. The CA gerrymander is already stretched so thin they had to steal 3-4 seats in 2024 just to get where they are.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:30 PM (iFTx/)

The problem with supergerrymanders is that if your assumptions fail you can instantly flip a ton of seats you thought were save. In NC in the 80s they adjusted to not just have Dem seats, but majority minority districts. A few elections later a small red trend flipped all but these safe seats to R.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 02:38 PM (8avO+)

52 Kristin, you ignorant slut...
Posted by: huerfano at August 25, 2025 02:27 PM (98kQX)

They never tire of looking like complete dumb fucks

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 25, 2025 02:38 PM (NtVYv)

53 I've seen Democrats do some amazing "own goals" but that one is right up there with the best.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 25, 2025 02:36 PM

She was roundly mocked. And this rocket surgeon used to be our AG.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 25, 2025 02:39 PM (ySpAZ)

54 At one point in the not so distant past, GOP was in total control of PA. Governor and both houses. That was their chance to apportion the electoral votes according to who holds the congressional district.

spoiler:

They didn't

Posted by: kallisto at August 25, 2025 02:39 PM (dCxaZ)

55 I'm in Ky. Seems like we could maybe split up Louisville to take the last Dem seat here. Got veto proof majorities in the state house, so Beshear couldn't do anything about it.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 25, 2025 02:39 PM (XvL8K)

56 Second look at the 3/5ths Compromise?
Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2025 02:38 PM (Z1dZR)

Every illegal in your state removes 3/5 of a citizen?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 25, 2025 02:39 PM (ExV1e)

57 Hey NYT. Quit yur bitchin'.
If you hadn't been lying all these years, this sh*t probably wouldn't be going on.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 25, 2025 02:39 PM (2WIwB)

58 I love that Trump is fixing all the shit we complained about from 2016-2020.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 25, 2025 02:40 PM (eY5jv)

59 Trump has called for an early census.

That, too, will be an interesting fight...Constitutionally it is not precluded by the notion of 'every 10 years'.

And I don't believed it has ever been challenged?
Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2025 02:36 PM (Z1dZR)

not sure, but 1962 Tennessee case gave us "one person , one vote" standard for legislative redistricting, so a good foundation for challenging illegals included in the census.

Posted by: runner at August 25, 2025 02:40 PM (g47mK)

60 There's surely graft and money to be made in preparing for it and making it look like something's happening. But it won't happen.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:33 PM (iFTx/)

I'm in CA and my husband has gotten 3 texts from Gov. Greaseball begging for money to put this on the ballot... We've also been getting mailers from groups fighting it...
Posted by: It's me donna at August 25, 2025 02:36 PM (VE6XX)
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Yup, it's all a way to beg for funds. For both sides. You'd think the fucking California Democrap party -- probably the richest and most powerful political party in the country -- would already have enough money to put a simple question on a ballot, but you'd apparently be wrong.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:40 PM (iFTx/)

61 Based on current population trends, they scream that if Democrats win the "Blue Wall" states of MI, WI, and PA in 2032, and win Nevada too, they... still lose. The base red states will have enough electoral votes to put Vance (or whoever) over the 271 electoral votes needed to


Nelson Muntz laugh: Ha-ha!

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2025 02:40 PM (L9gr5)

62 Yeah, that's the Democrat Problem. An electoral vote or two. Not supporting perversion, molestation, carjacking, gangs, murder and jihad.

Posted by: ... at August 25, 2025 02:40 PM (XVa0w)

63 We must crush them. Democrats have proved they should never be in power again.

After we marginalize the Dems we should turn our gaze upon the squishy RINO's

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 25, 2025 02:40 PM (qoLdL)

64 62 Yeah, that's the Democrat Problem. An electoral vote or two. Not supporting perversion, molestation, carjacking, gangs, murder and jihad.
Posted by: ... at August 25, 2025 02:40 PM (XVa0w)

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"You can stop this problem if you stop advocating for open borders."

"Fuck you!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:41 PM (GBKbO)

65 Maybe.

But they won't get the Senate, so, at best, they get some performative impeachment theater.

Which the Senate will largely ignore while Democrats scream about how mean daddy Trump is.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:38 PM (GBKbO)

I would say that with a Dem majority in the House we wouldn't get the Trump changes locked into law but...

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 25, 2025 02:41 PM (ExV1e)

66 If you don’t want wetbacks counted in the census then deport their asses. Problem solved.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at August 25, 2025 02:41 PM (kzHlT)

67 2032 is a long time from now. No guarantee that current trends or political alignments hold.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 25, 2025 02:41 PM (RifVr)

68 He can do it, whether he can use it to reapportion seats is something I don't think he's allowed. I think that is limited to the decennial census.

But, I also don't think the courts will agree on not counting the illegals for matters of representation.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:37 PM (GBKbO)

A new Census can reapportion seats. Why else do it?

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 02:41 PM (8avO+)

69 The problem with supergerrymanders is that if your assumptions fail you can instantly flip a ton of seats you thought were save. In NC in the 80s they adjusted to not just have Dem seats, but majority minority districts. A few elections later a small red trend flipped all but these safe seats to R.
Posted by: Oldcat
==
Yes, you get a small shift in a state like CA and it becomes a big gamble.

I've seen demographics change by an incredible amount, having family there.

Posted by: Leupold at August 25, 2025 02:41 PM (4pwAx)

70 The base red states will have enough electoral votes to put Vance (or whoever) over the 271 electoral votes needed to win.

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Vance will have no chance against Democrat nominee Hunter Biden.

Posted by: ShainS -- Black Lives Don't Matter Now That Trump Is Saving Them In DC at August 25, 2025 02:41 PM (i5GX/)

71 Emmanuel Cleaver...
Reverend Emmanuel Cleaver, don't you know

Posted by: MkY at August 25, 2025 02:41 PM (cPGH3)

72 Think of this like fixing the cheating. I've heard several here state the the country was overwhelmingly red, but the cheaters overcome it every election.

Let's hope this corrects that problem.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 25, 2025 02:41 PM (eY5jv)

73 Then count in deportations. California and New York will drop a lot, and probably Texas and Florida.

These votes will go to places like Kentucky, Idaho, Utah.

Posted by: MikeN at August 25, 2025 02:42 PM (HVZOH)

74 To infinity, and beyond!

Posted by: Dem Gerrymandering at August 25, 2025 02:42 PM (wVcYX)

75 68 A new Census can reapportion seats. Why else do it?
Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 02:41 PM (8avO+

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To get an accurate count that wasn't the admitted tanked count from 2020 as a baseline for 2030.

Also, all federal officers have been deputized to assist with ICE and DHS immigration enforcement. Sending census workers out to talk to everyone and asking them if they're legal or not....

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:42 PM (GBKbO)

76 They never tire of looking like complete dumb fucks
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 25, 2025 02:38 PM (NtVYv)

The guys at the local gloryhole prefer dumb fucks.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 25, 2025 02:42 PM (ExV1e)

77 Nothing is guaranteed.

When the AntiChrist comes he'll probably get the Democrats back a lot of their lost votes.

Posted by: ... at August 25, 2025 02:42 PM (XVa0w)

78 By 2032 the Dems will most likely have immolated themselves. It will be Republicans v Dem Socialists and Communists. Redistricting will be even more favorable to the Republicans

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 25, 2025 02:42 PM (9GN4U)

79 Predicting the electoral map or how the new states immigrants will vote is as accurate as predicting the weather. It's a board game.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 25, 2025 02:42 PM (c35xG)

80 I would say that with a Dem majority in the House we wouldn't get the Trump changes locked into law but...
________________

Johnson's GOP Cuckus isn't exactly working overtime to lock in those changes.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 25, 2025 02:42 PM (RifVr)

81 I think we hold the House and Senate in 2026. Yes, 2026 is still a long way's off, but if trends continue we should have a very good chance. That, plus the DNC is gonna be starving for funds.

I like the chances of us holding the House. I think we keep the Senate easily.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:43 PM (iFTx/)

82 The CA gerrymander is already stretched so thin they had to steal 3-4 seats in 2024 just to get where they are.
--
The NYT, defending CA, noted that several of the seats were won by very small margins. Somehow as proof that the "independent" commission was making balanced seats.

But sure, spreading the Dem vote in CA over 5 more districts will work.

My bet is, even if the map passes, R's will gain seats in CA.

Oh and note that the CA amendment is for 5 years only; goes back to the commission for the 2032 redistrict.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 25, 2025 02:43 PM (HuNM+)

83 >>He can do it, whether he can use it to reapportion seats is something I don't think he's allowed. I think that is limited to the decennial census.

>>But, I also don't think the courts will agree on not counting the illegals for matters of representation.


I think being able to show that the previous Census was flawed, criminally or not, would get him over the hump.

And I think we are going to see the day that Illegals are not counted for the Census. We may not get the Foreign Visa Holders out...
but Illegal Aliens is a real possibility.

It is ONLY about Slavery. Not about 'Persons Residing'.

Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2025 02:43 PM (Z1dZR)

84 67 2032 is a long time from now. No guarantee that current trends or political alignments hold.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 25, 2025 02:41 PM (RifVr)


Let's hope they keep doubling down like they have been.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 25, 2025 02:44 PM (eY5jv)

85 The only answer for Democrats is to push harder on --
- DEI
- Open Borders
- Free Stuff for illegals
- Protect all cartel gang members
- Encourage more grooming/trans'ing of children
- Go even harder on communism
- More hate for white Christians

Posted by: illiniwek at August 25, 2025 02:44 PM (vbXSk)

86 At one point in the not so distant past, GOP was in total control of PA. Governor and both houses. That was their chance to apportion the electoral votes according to who holds the congressional district.

spoiler:

They didn't
Posted by: kallisto at August 25, 2025 02:39 PM (dCxaZ)

the purge of the GOPe should continue than even purging Dems. Its their fault we dont have a safe majority now.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 02:44 PM (8avO+)

87 Yup, it's all a way to beg for funds. For both sides. You'd think the fucking California Democrap party -- probably the richest and most powerful political party in the country -- would already have enough money to put a simple question on a ballot, but you'd apparently be wrong.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:40 PM (iFTx/)

Floral arrangements are expensive. -- Anonymous former Party chair

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 25, 2025 02:44 PM (ExV1e)

88 Did Welker get promised a spanking as a follow up to her humiliation?

Posted by: Still lurking up north, read some, don't comment much at August 25, 2025 02:44 PM (kTd/k)

89 I am informed by the commentariat at DU that there will be no more Presidential elections, and that Drumph will become Dictator For Life.

If so, I see no reason to visit Hairgel's new on-line merchandise store and purchase anything.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 25, 2025 02:44 PM (0sNs1)

90 81 I think we hold the House and Senate in 2026. Yes, 2026 is still a long way's off, but if trends continue we should have a very good chance. That, plus the DNC is gonna be starving for funds.

I like the chances of us holding the House. I think we keep the Senate easily.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:43 PM (iFTx/)

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Everyone is assuming Democrats take the House because of normal political gravity.

I mean...what is the normal political gravity for the midterm of a second, non-consecutive term of a president? That non-consecutive term because of an interim president that a majority of the American people considered to be illegitimate? While the opposition loses its major cash pipeline? And the opposition takes up the cause of illegal immigrants and every other unpopular position possible?

What is that normal political gravity?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:44 PM (GBKbO)

91 "New York Times Cries: Population Shifts Mean That the GOP Will Have a Near-Lock on the Electoral College in 2032"


And this is a problem how?


Plus they are not calculating the net negative migration effect that Trump will have for the next three years of his presidency. That will make it even worse for democrats.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 25, 2025 02:45 PM (0N4FZ)

92 The only answer for Democrats is to push harder on --
- DEI
- Open Borders
- Free Stuff for illegals
- Protect all cartel gang members
- Encourage more grooming/trans'ing of children
- Go even harder on communism
- More hate for white Christians
Posted by: illiniwek at August 25, 2025 02:44 PM (vbXSk)

Gaza and Campus Riots.

I would love to see the College Mafia cut down a peg or two.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 02:45 PM (8avO+)

93 Since doubling down hasn't worked, the solution is obvious. We must triple down.

It's the only way.

--The Democrats

Posted by: No Name Today at August 25, 2025 02:45 PM (I+KxP)

94 For what it's worth, Speaker Johnson believes the electoral map for 2026 is bad for Democrats. Add in gerrymandering to favor Republicans, it makes things interesting.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 25, 2025 02:45 PM (tT6L1)

95 MO is actually a 6-2 split, not 7-2 (we did have 9 representatives before the 2010 census).

I strongly doubt Cleaver's district--largely KC metro--can be gerrymandered away from him; the numbers aren't really there. But it's not as much of a blue sinkhole as STL, so maybe they'll pull a rabbit out of the hat.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 25, 2025 02:45 PM (EynyL)

96 No guarantee that current trends or political alignments hold.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 25, 2025 02:41 PM

I like it.

Posted by: Winston Wolfe at August 25, 2025 02:46 PM (0sNs1)

97 78 By 2032 the Dems will most likely have immolated themselves. It will be Republicans v Dem Socialists and Communists. Redistricting will be even more favorable to the Republicans
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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The idea is enchanting but baked in the cake is 30/33% whack jobs.
There will always be, wherever there is a group of people, 30/33%
out of sync with the rest.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 25, 2025 02:46 PM (c35xG)

98 83 I think being able to show that the previous Census was flawed, criminally or not, would get him over the hump.

And I think we are going to see the day that Illegals are not counted for the Census. We may not get the Foreign Visa Holders out...
but Illegal Aliens is a real possibility.

It is ONLY about Slavery. Not about 'Persons Residing'.

Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2025 02:43 PM (Z1dZR)

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I think any hope of getting courts to agree, especially SCOTUS, would rely on a documented history of not counting certain classes of temporary residents.

Like, if the 1830s census didn't count migrant farmers or something.

No idea if they did or not, personally. But that's the only hope I see, a long-standing history of it being like that before the Warren Court.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:46 PM (GBKbO)

99 Walmart VP was making $30,000 per day in kickbacks from H1B applicants who paid him for hiring them and not Americans.

http://tiny.cc/dvnr001

Posted by: bonhomme at August 25, 2025 02:46 PM (lIio7)

100 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:44 PM (GBKbO)

Would we even have lost 2018 and paved the way for three impeachments if it wasn't for the 50 "mystery" retirements?

Posted by: ... at August 25, 2025 02:46 PM (XVa0w)

101 New York will lose one electoral vote and the once-mighty California will lose three.

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By 2032, how many electoral votes will Alberta and Greenland have?

Posted by: ShainS -- Black Lives Don't Matter Now That Trump Is Saving Them In DC at August 25, 2025 02:46 PM (i5GX/)

102 If I were the GOP I'd gerrymander the living fuck out of the entire country to make sure Democrats barely got token representation anywhere. Going on faith that they can keep the left in check with hand waves and bipartisanship is just plain stupid.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 25, 2025 02:46 PM (Q4IgG)

103 Only one thing will stop this from working and that's the gOpe stepping on their crank.

Posted by: Eromero at August 25, 2025 02:46 PM (LHPAg)

104 OT/ but I see Maryland Dad is suing to stay in the US

Posted by: It's me donna at August 25, 2025 02:47 PM (VE6XX)

105 100 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:44 PM (GBKbO)

Would we even have lost 2018 and paved the way for three impeachments if it wasn't for the 50 "mystery" retirements?
Posted by: ... at August 25, 2025 02:46 PM (XVa0w)

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That certainly hurt, but I suspect the larger factor was the GOP going, "You know...Trump may be a Russian agent. It's possible."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:47 PM (GBKbO)

106 I mean...what is the normal political gravity for the midterm of a second, non-consecutive term of a president? That non-consecutive term because of an interim president that a majority of the American people considered to be illegitimate? While the opposition loses its major cash pipeline? And the opposition takes up the cause of illegal immigrants and every other unpopular position possible?

What is that normal political gravity?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:44 PM (GBKbO)

If the gravity was shifting the Dems would already be moving on their new direction. Instead they are leaderless and without significant funds. 2024 was won a lot on the enconomy, and Trump continues to improve it.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 02:47 PM (8avO+)

107 Plus they are not calculating the net negative migration effect that Trump will have for the next three years of his presidency. That will make it even worse for democrats.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 25, 2025 02:45 PM (0N4FZ)

You don't think Trump is thinking ahead do you? I have it on good authority he doesn't care about the future of this country or us as much as he cares about getting a Nobel Prize.

Posted by: ... at August 25, 2025 02:48 PM (XVa0w)

108 Eldridge Cleaver? Eldridge Motherfucking Cleaver?

That's gotta be the son or grandson of the original, right? Because I'm pretty sure he's taking a dirt nap.

(googles)

Oh, Emanuel Cleaver. A cousin, but apparently just as much of a communist.


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 25, 2025 02:48 PM (qpyNK)

109 I think we hold the House and Senate in 2026. Yes, 2026 is still a long way's off, but if trends continue we should have a very good chance. That, plus the DNC is gonna be starving for funds.

I like the chances of us holding the House. I think we keep the Senate easily.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:43 PM (iFTx/)

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Everyone is assuming Democrats take the House because of normal political gravity.

I mean...what is the normal political gravity for the midterm of a second, non-consecutive term of a president? That non-consecutive term because of an interim president that a majority of the American people considered to be illegitimate? While the opposition loses its major cash pipeline? And the opposition takes up the cause of illegal immigrants and every other unpopular position possible?

What is that normal political gravity?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:44 PM (GBKbO)
__________

This man knows something about the levels of gravitivity and polarity

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:48 PM (iFTx/)

110 I mean...what is the normal political gravity for the midterm of a second, non-consecutive term of a president? That non-consecutive term because of an interim president that a majority of the American people considered to be illegitimate? While the opposition loses its major cash pipeline? And the opposition takes up the cause of illegal immigrants and every other unpopular position possible?

What is that normal political gravity?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:44 PM (GBKbO)
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I think some people on the left are huffing large amounts of copium when they claim "electoral norms" going into 2026. How they can completely write off the extraordinary 2024 election surprises me, Which, I think, you've menioned a couple of times.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 25, 2025 02:49 PM (tT6L1)

111 @103 yup the GOPe will say "gerrymandering is just not who we are"

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 25, 2025 02:49 PM (9GN4U)

112 OT/ but I see Maryland Dad is suing to stay in the US
Posted by: It's me donna at August 25, 2025 02:47 PM (VE6XX)

Rat Van Hollen's been meeting with him

Posted by: runner at August 25, 2025 02:49 PM (g47mK)

113 If part of the majority decides upon rooftop, Putin window or millstone solutions for that 30/33% odd lot then they become the odd lot because only a minority will employ those solutions.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 25, 2025 02:49 PM (c35xG)

114 > 103 Only one thing will stop this from working and that's the gOpe stepping on their crank.
Posted by: Eromero at August 25, 2025 02:46 PM (LHPAg)

Never underestimate their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 25, 2025 02:50 PM (qpyNK)

115 I wonder if the Founders knew of any fatal flaws with city-states or if it was just common knowledge at that time?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 25, 2025 02:50 PM (/lPRQ)

116 Walmart VP was making $30,000 per day in kickbacks from H1B applicants who paid him for hiring them and not Americans.

http://tiny.cc/dvnr001
Posted by: bonhomme at August 25, 2025 02:46 PM (lIio7)

H1B - paying the illegal kickbacks Americans won't pay.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 25, 2025 02:50 PM (ExV1e)

117 This man knows something about the levels of gravitivity and polarity
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:48 PM

Excellent obscure movie reference. *golf clap*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 25, 2025 02:50 PM (ySpAZ)

118 By 2032, how many electoral votes will Alberta and Greenland have?
Posted by: ShainS -- Black Lives Don't Matter Now That Trump Is Saving Them In DC at August 25, 2025 02:46 PM (i5GX/)

The airforce base and army base will have 4 congressmen.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 02:50 PM (8avO+)

119 110 I think some people on the left are huffing large amounts of copium when they claim "electoral norms" going into 2026. How they can completely write off the extraordinary 2024 election surprises me, Which, I think, you've menioned a couple of times.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 25, 2025 02:49 PM (tT6L1)

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Plus...if the Democrat Party has become completely addicted to and reliant on the fed grant machine to fund the party at a basic level, and if that has been materially curbed...

How does the Party switch to playing by the old rules of fundraising and GOTV efforts without it in less than 2 years?

They have an entire generation of political consultant who have learned that Democrats win by going radical and collecting cash from unicorn investors.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:51 PM (GBKbO)

120 You'd think the fucking California Democrap party -- probably the richest and most powerful political party in the country -- would already have enough money to put a simple question on a ballot, but you'd apparently be wrong.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:40 PM (iFTx/)
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They blew their $ Billion wad on Kamala's campaign.

Posted by: fly gal at August 25, 2025 02:51 PM (ROF3X)

121 99 Walmart VP was making $30,000 per day in kickbacks from H1B applicants who paid him for hiring them and not Americans.

http://tiny.cc/dvnr001
Posted by: bonhomme at August 25, 2025 02:46 PM
Wonder what old Sam would have said?

Posted by: Eromero at August 25, 2025 02:51 PM (LHPAg)

122 @ 99 - wow.

thatsa crapton of $

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 25, 2025 02:51 PM (ppG5b)

123 This man knows something about the levels of gravitivity and polarity
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:48 PM

Excellent obscure movie reference. *golf clap*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 25, 2025 02:50 PM (ySpAZ)
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Movie was funny as fuck, very underrated

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:52 PM (iFTx/)

124 Democrats have failed to win NorCal/Sacramento Valley republican controlled districts for 35 years.

Posted by: 13times at August 25, 2025 02:52 PM (hwIQ8)

125 Does anybody know a good introduction to Swahili program?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Abrego Garcia at August 25, 2025 02:52 PM (FbITS)

126 Just look at AZ, which should be dark red, but which wasn't a sure lock for Trump, and that sends liberals to the house and Senate

AZ has a lot of McCain-family voting machine shenanigans in addition to whatever the Dems are doing.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 25, 2025 02:52 PM (2ocoG)

127 > The idea is enchanting but baked in the cake is 30/33% whack jobs.
There will always be, wherever there is a group of people, 30/33%
out of sync with the rest.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 25, 2025 02:46 PM (c35xG)

Speaking of stepping on one's imaginary crank...

That's probably about right overall, but I don't think there's anything like 33% who genuinely believe you can grow a vagina just by imagining that you have one. At best, they'll agree with that nonsense publicly, while keeping their opinions to themselves (and in the voting booth).

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 25, 2025 02:52 PM (qpyNK)

128 Movie was funny as fuck, very underrated
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:52 PM

I watched it again last year. It holds up very well.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 25, 2025 02:53 PM (ySpAZ)

129 126 Just look at AZ, which should be dark red, but which wasn't a sure lock for Trump, and that sends liberals to the house and Senate

AZ has a lot of McCain-family voting machine shenanigans in addition to whatever the Dems are doing.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 25, 2025 02:52 PM (2ocoG)

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"The only way to win the presidency is to nominate a Republican that Cindy McCain approves of."
-someone around here about a year ago

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:53 PM (GBKbO)

130 100 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:44 PM (GBKbO)

Would we even have lost 2018 and paved the way for three impeachments if it wasn't for the 50 "mystery" retirements?
Posted by: ... at August 25, 2025 02:46 PM (XVa0w)

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That certainly hurt, but I suspect the larger factor was the GOP going, "You know...Trump may be a Russian agent. It's possible."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:47 PM (GBKbO)

I think the MAGA candidates were also suppressed by the GOPe for funds for the elections.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 02:53 PM (8avO+)

131
AZ has a lot of McCain-family voting machine shenanigans in addition to whatever the Dems are doing.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 25, 2025 02:52 PM (2ocoG)
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Yup. The cartels launder huge amounts of cash through Phoenix, too.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at August 25, 2025 02:54 PM (tT6L1)

132 SPLOOSH!!!!!!

Posted by: Pam Poovey at August 25, 2025 02:54 PM (yxoWI)

133 > Wonder what old Sam would have said?
Posted by: Eromero at August 25, 2025 02:51 PM (LHPAg)

If I remember right, Sam had a policy of not selling ANYTHING made overseas if there was a US manufactured alternative.

So I'm guessing he'd be rather unhappy.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 25, 2025 02:54 PM (qpyNK)

134 In case after case, from gerrymandering to lawfare, Democrats are shocked Republicans are finally playing by Democrat rules. Worse yet, Republicans cut Democrats off from stealing taxpayer funding, through nominally "non-partisan NGO's" and the useless Federal agencies shoveling money into them.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 25, 2025 02:54 PM (A2uJD)

135 Be alert, the left is most dangerous when they are desperate.

Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2025 02:54 PM (YwEeS)

136 124 Democrats have failed to win NorCal/Sacramento Valley republican controlled districts for 35 years.
Posted by: 13times at August 25, 2025 02:52 PM (hwIQ

The new map finally does that

Posted by: It's me donna at August 25, 2025 02:54 PM (VE6XX)

137 redistricting too tightly can create some risks as well.

If you say move from +8 districts to more +4 districts a way going the other way can cost you seats.

Which will be determined by the state of the economy this time next year mostly...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2025 02:55 PM (sKqQm)

138 Movie was funny as fuck, very underrated
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:52 PM

I watched it again last year. It holds up very well.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState


Would you guys like to share with the rest of the class?

Posted by: Bulg at August 25, 2025 02:55 PM (77rzZ)

139 Emmanuel Cleaver...
Reverend Emmanuel Cleaver, don't you know
Posted by: MkY


Oh, Beaver!

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2025 02:55 PM (L9gr5)

140 Plus...if the Democrat Party has become completely addicted to and reliant on the fed grant machine to fund the party at a basic level, and if that has been materially curbed...

How does the Party switch to playing by the old rules of fundraising and GOTV efforts without it in less than 2 years?

They have an entire generation of political consultant who have learned that Democrats win by going radical and collecting cash from unicorn investors.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:51 PM (GBKbO)

And even if they decide to turn to corrupt grass roots organizing, those people are dead, gone or lying low from RussiaGate and the other conspiracies. And the Zealot wings are not gonna compromise and likely to find reasons to break ranks.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 02:56 PM (8avO+)

141 Oh, Beaver!
Posted by: rickb223 a

Don't be too hard on the Beaver, Ward.

Posted by: Bulg at August 25, 2025 02:57 PM (77rzZ)

142 140 And even if they decide to turn to corrupt grass roots organizing, those people are dead, gone or lying low from RussiaGate and the other conspiracies. And the Zealot wings are not gonna compromise and likely to find reasons to break ranks.
Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 02:56 PM (8avO+)

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The old school machine is in near open warfare with the Somali replacements in Minneapolis right now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:57 PM (GBKbO)

143 Movie was funny as fuck, very underrated
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:52 PM

I watched it again last year. It holds up very well.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState


Would you guys like to share with the rest of the class?
Posted by: Bulg at August 25, 2025 02:55 PM (77rzZ)
_______

Hollywood Shuffle!

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:58 PM (iFTx/)

144 This sounds great. Hope it happens. But Florida went from agonizingly purple to deep red in a blink of an eye. How? Cleaning up elections. That would have a bigger impact than any gerrymandering/reapportionment.

Posted by: Dexter Keys at August 25, 2025 02:58 PM (O0IFE)

145 Out: Walking around money

In: Trump gonna put y'all in chains! Wait...why are you walking away?!? Can I have your mail in ballot first? I'll give you, uh, a high five!

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2025 02:58 PM (sKqQm)

146
The new map finally does that
Posted by: It's me donna at August 25, 2025 02:54 PM (VE6XX)

That's the point of my comment. Dems are trying to tie one north central valley district to Santa Rosa.

Posted by: 13times at August 25, 2025 02:58 PM (hwIQ8)

147 If the gravity was shifting the Dems would already be moving on their new direction. Instead they are leaderless and without significant funds. 2024 was won a lot on the enconomy, and Trump continues to improve it.
Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 02:47 PM (8avO+)

And you hit on the factor that I think is far more obviously important than history, or "political gravity" when it comes to elections like this. A year from now, what will the economy look like? What will World conditions look like? More war, or more peace? Trump, and Trump's party, are going to be judged by how good or bad things are going.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 25, 2025 02:58 PM (uWKK8)

148 144 This sounds great. Hope it happens. But Florida went from agonizingly purple to deep red in a blink of an eye. How? Cleaning up elections. That would have a bigger impact than any gerrymandering/reapportionment.
Posted by: Dexter Keys at August 25, 2025 02:58 PM (O0IFE)

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You should check up on Harmeet Dhillon, chief civil rights attorney at DOJ right now.

It's one of two or three top issues she deals with.

Imagine TrueTheVote, but with DOJ money.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:59 PM (GBKbO)

149 And even if they decide to turn to corrupt grass roots organizing, those people are dead, gone or lying low from RussiaGate and the other conspiracies. And the Zealot wings are not gonna compromise and likely to find reasons to break ranks.
Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 02:56 PM (8avO+)

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The old school machine is in near open warfare with the Somali replacements in Minneapolis right now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:57 PM (GBKbO)
________

So sad ...

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:59 PM (iFTx/)

150 Huh. So the Democrats were actually seeking to replace the electorate they didn't like with a whole new one after all.

Posted by: Another conspiracy theory proven at August 25, 2025 02:59 PM (TbWk/)

151 > Would you guys like to share with the rest of the class?

Hollywood Shuffle, 1987

Posted by: bonhomme at August 25, 2025 02:59 PM (lIio7)

152 So, how's that NPV project coming along? Have you picked up any more States?

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at August 25, 2025 02:59 PM (bufu1)

153 126 Just look at AZ, which should be dark red, but which wasn't a sure lock for Trump, and that sends liberals to the house and Senate

AZ has a lot of McCain-family voting machine shenanigans in addition to whatever the Dems are doing.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 25, 2025 02:52 PM (2ocoG)
________________________________

I truly believe the drug Cartels are influencing elections in Arizona. I, also, believe the compromised parties (who gravitated towards the election "officiating" positions) actively rig the elections. That includes judges who continuously run interference on challenges...not to mention legislation instituted to make it illegal for individual precincts to do recounts or even security evaluations beyond what is defined by those "running" the elections. It's just too pat not to have been a concerted effort.

Posted by: Orson at August 25, 2025 02:59 PM (dIske)

154 You'd think the fucking California Democrap party -- probably the richest and most powerful political party in the country -- would already have enough money to put a simple question on a ballot, but you'd apparently be wrong.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 02:40 PM (iFTx/)
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They blew their $ Billion wad on Kamala's campaign.

Posted by: fly gal at August 25, 2025 02:51 PM


Not a problem, barely an inconvenience. newsome is already tweaking the language of the proposed ballot question to make a yes answer mean no and a no answer mean yes.


democrats have been using that kind of bull$hit ballot question for decades to get what they want. We had it happen when we lived in connecticut and our town wanted to spend $10 million on a new police station that almost no one wanted. It got voted down twice by a huge margin. The town then hired a lawyer to write the next ballot question and get that question on the ballot at a town meeting, the town got their new police station because a no vote meant yes.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 25, 2025 03:00 PM (0N4FZ)

155 If we had clean elections the Dems would win a few areas in the blue shitties/NE/left coast and that's it.

Hell, NH, CT and Maine would probably have close to full R districts...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2025 03:00 PM (sKqQm)

156 147 And you hit on the factor that I think is far more obviously important than history, or "political gravity" when it comes to elections like this. A year from now, what will the economy look like? What will World conditions look like? More war, or more peace? Trump, and Trump's party, are going to be judged by how good or bad things are going.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 25, 2025 02:58 PM (uWKK

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Deporting millions of people is going to have deflationary effects, especially on housing. It's already manifesting in some areas.

And real wages continue to grow.

No matter what the national numbers are, people vote on how they feel like the local economy feels to them.

Should be interesting.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 03:00 PM (GBKbO)

157 But, I also don't think the courts will agree on not counting the illegals for matters of representation.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:37 PM (GBKbO)

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Can we at least count citizens so we can get a count of citizens/immigrants?

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 25, 2025 03:00 PM (bwXLC)

158 New Hampshire hmm?

interesting location for empty nesters with adult kids living (sadly) in New England?!

maybe I can help shift that cute lil state

Posted by: Black Orchid at August 25, 2025 03:00 PM (Pv3Rg)

159 The old school machine is in near open warfare with the Somali replacements in Minneapolis right now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:57 PM (GBKbO)

And the GOP has growing strength in Black Men and Hispanic Men and Youth relative to earlier years. The Dems might be a bit blind that everyone doesn't hate Trump like they do.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:01 PM (8avO+)

160 > The old school machine is in near open warfare with the Somali replacements in Minneapolis right now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:57 PM (GBKbO)

I laughed my fucking ass off a few years ago when a long time Dem grifter of the Jewish persuasion got her seat ganked by a Muslim, after a huge anti-Semitic campaign by the Muzzie.

She didn't know whether to shit or go blind. "But-but-but... I'm on YOUR SIDE, guys!"

I think this was in Minneapolis. Might've been in the Dearborn region of Michigan.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 25, 2025 03:01 PM (qpyNK)

161 Assume that Mamdani is elected in NYC. Assume further that he and the rest of the communists are the disasters that we know they'll be. One looked at that horror show and more people will be heading rightwards

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 25, 2025 03:01 PM (9GN4U)

162 Hell, NH, CT and Maine would probably have close to full R districts...


not even joking talking to VT residents and they swear if their elections weren't fraudulent they'd be red!

I mean it used to be, apparently

Posted by: Black Orchid at August 25, 2025 03:01 PM (Pv3Rg)

163 135 Be alert, the left is most dangerous when they are desperate.
Posted by: steevy at August 25, 2025 02:54 PM (YwEeS)
And what they won't do to maintain their hold on power ain't worth mentioning.

Posted by: Eromero at August 25, 2025 03:02 PM (LHPAg)

164 First time around the slave labor got freed. This time around the slave labor is getting deported. In both cases the Democrats are PISSED .

Posted by: History might not repeat but it does hiccup at August 25, 2025 03:02 PM (TbWk/)

165 163 135 Be alert, the left is most dangerous when they are desperate.

yeah WE KNOW

they're already desperate!!!

Posted by: Black Orchid at August 25, 2025 03:02 PM (Pv3Rg)

166 Surgeons transplant pig lung into brain dead human recipient for first time

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He immediately registered as a Democrat.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at August 25, 2025 03:03 PM (L/fGl)

167 Not a problem, barely an inconvenience. newsome is already tweaking the language of the proposed ballot question to make a yes answer mean no and a no answer mean yes.


democrats have been using that kind of bull$hit ballot question for decades to get what they want. We had it happen when we lived in connecticut and our town wanted to spend $10 million on a new police station that almost no one wanted. It got voted down twice by a huge margin. The town then hired a lawyer to write the next ballot question and get that question on the ballot at a town meeting, the town got their new police station because a no vote meant yes.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 25, 2025 03:00 PM (0N4FZ)

The Yes we have no Bananas language. California does have a good ballot explanation booklet that each side can give their own explanation of what the measures mean.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:03 PM (8avO+)

168 One looked at that horror show and more people will be heading rightwards
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 25, 2025 03:01 PM (9GN4U)
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No, they will vacate the city and land in your neighborhood along with all their poisonous ideas, bird hands and power glasses.

Posted by: Orson at August 25, 2025 03:04 PM (dIske)

169 I don't suppose it's even in the cards that Democrats will choose to back away from the various voter-poison policies that resulted in this situation.

Posted by: mea culpa at August 25, 2025 03:04 PM (jL0CF)

170 not even joking talking to VT residents and they swear if their elections weren't fraudulent they'd be red!

I mean it used to be, apparently
Posted by: Black Orchid at August 25, 2025 03:01 PM (Pv3Rg)

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There is the joke in White Christmas about finding a Democrat in Vermont.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 25, 2025 03:04 PM (bwXLC)

171 Surgeons transplant pig lung into brain dead human recipient for first time

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He immediately registered as a Democrat.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at August 25, 2025 03:03 PM (L/fGl)

And submitted a job application to the NYPD

Posted by: Speaking of brain dead pigs at August 25, 2025 03:04 PM (TbWk/)

172 First time around the slave labor got freed. This time around the slave labor is getting deported. In both cases the Democrats are PISSED .
Posted by: History might not repeat but it does hiccup at August 25, 2025 03:02 PM (TbWk/)

The first time, they were out of power most places for 20 or so years

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:04 PM (8avO+)

173 Surgeons transplant pig lung into brain dead human recipient for first time

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He immediately registered as a Democrat.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks


Well, they said he was brain dead, so ...

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2025 03:04 PM (L9gr5)

174 And darkness, decay and the Uniparty held illimitable dominion over all.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at August 25, 2025 03:04 PM (wBaIH)

175
NBC News’ Kristen Welker

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She's trying so hard to look intelligent.Trying so hard it hurts. She's going to get a migraine. Relax, nobody believes it anyway.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at August 25, 2025 03:05 PM (VWtfl)

176 No, they will vacate the city and land in your neighborhood along with all their poisonous ideas, bird hands and power glasses.


that's what scares me

they love love love Pennsy

Posted by: Black Orchid at August 25, 2025 03:05 PM (Pv3Rg)

177 🔴 Texas: 5 seats
🔴 Florida: 3-5 seats
🔴 Ohio: 2-3 seats
🔴 Missouri: 1 seat
🔵 California: 5 seats

🔴 +6-9 R seats [That's Net Overall Gain less the 5 D seats-- actually +11-14 R seats]
🔵 +5 D seats

Posted by: ShainS -- Black Lives Don't Matter Now That Trump Is Saving Them In DC at August 25, 2025 03:05 PM (+8Tti)

178
Eldridge Cleaver? Eldridge Motherfucking Cleaver?

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Turned conservative later in life. Also became a druggie.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 25, 2025 03:06 PM (kkTda)

179 that JD Vance interview is really good btw

he's great! she's a maroon

Posted by: Black Orchid at August 25, 2025 03:06 PM (Pv3Rg)

180 New Hampshire hmm?

interesting location for empty nesters with adult kids living (sadly) in New England?!

maybe I can help shift that cute lil state
Posted by: Black Orchid at August 25, 2025 03:00 PM

I'm working on it. I just have to find a house I can afford.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 25, 2025 03:06 PM (ySpAZ)

181 New Hampshire hmm?

interesting location for empty nesters with adult kids living (sadly) in New England?!

maybe I can help shift that cute lil state
Posted by: Black Orchid at August 25, 2025 03:00 PM (Pv3Rg)

Sub let a room in about 5 states in different names and vote in all of them. Its the Dem way.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:06 PM (8avO+)

182 NYT article: one hope for Democrats is to do what seems, at least after the 2024 election, impossible: pivot to the South. That would mean turning states like Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas and Louisiana — all places Mr. Trump won by more than 20 percentage points — into competitive battlegrounds, and quickly.

That's not a hope or a plan. That is desperation. It is not unreasonable to expect an increase in stunning come from behind Democrat election victories weeks after election day.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at August 25, 2025 03:07 PM (zdKZs)

183 > I mean it used to be, apparently
Posted by: Black Orchid at August 25, 2025 03:01 PM (Pv3Rg)

That all changed when the hippies started building communes there, and the wealthy NYC liberals started building vacation homes there.

It turned into a state-sized patch of suck.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 25, 2025 03:07 PM (qpyNK)

184 She didn't know whether to shit or go blind. "But-but-but... I'm on YOUR SIDE, guys!"

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 25, 2025 03:01 PM (qpyNK)

There was a video of some college guys cheering on BLM rioters, who then threw something and broke their apartment window.

"But-but-but . . . we're on YOUR SIDE, guys!"

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 25, 2025 03:07 PM (i24o9)

185 @168 Orson, been there done that. I live in the Mid Hudson band we've already been overrun by Dems from nyc fleeing DiBlasio's reign of error. The nitwits continue to vote for leftist crap including rent control. However those who aren't programmed leftist drones will recoil and move rightwards

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 25, 2025 03:07 PM (9GN4U)

186 I truly believe the drug Cartels are influencing elections in Arizona.

And I will continue to tell you, and people like you, that you are just purposely naively wrong.

Because the behavior of people says your are wrong. And its nothing new. People in Mass voted Kennedy even while Teddy changed his view on off-shore drilling after he walked away from a chic drowning in the back of his Buick.

Romney found a safe haven in Utah. Why ? Because they are just what is in front of their nose idiots.

Yes, the elections are rigged. And yes, 2020 was a shit show. But some here want to project that little nugget into the idea that all elections are rigged.

They are not. California elects what they do because San Fran and south are insane. A fair counting of those elections will be insane. But fair.

Posted by: Call It What It Is at August 25, 2025 03:07 PM (7Q6Hb)

187 "(T)he Brennan Center for Justice, a nonpartisan organization..." Non-partisan, in that they don't openly call themselves Democrats, but they are 100% communists.

Posted by: dlsada at August 25, 2025 03:07 PM (HPFj/)

188 that JD Vance interview is really good btw

he's great! she's a maroon
Posted by: Black Orchid at August 25, 2025 03:06 PM (Pv3Rg)

Indeed. Our Betters™ are midwits at best, truly stupid in the main, and belligerently ignorant by training.

Posted by: Raving overpaid mediocrities at August 25, 2025 03:07 PM (TbWk/)

189 Hulk smash!

Flight Lands in Colorado After Unruly Passenger Breaks Restraints

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at August 25, 2025 03:08 PM (L/fGl)

190 End Wokeness
@EndWokeness
Jarad Nava paraIyzed an innocent girI

Governor Gavin Newsom commuted his 162 year jaiI sentence down to just 8 years total

He now works for CA's Public Safety Dept

In 2012 Jarad Nava shot into a car multiple times and paralyzed Yesenia Castro from the waist down, while yelling “You’re going to die today bitch”, according to prosecutors.

https://tinyurl.com/4kp9ffps

Posted by: redridinghood at August 25, 2025 03:08 PM (NpAcC)

191 I don't suppose it's even in the cards that Democrats will choose to back away from the various voter-poison policies that resulted in this situation.
Posted by: mea culpa at August 25, 2025 03:04 PM (jL0CF)

More likely they will find some new ones, even ignoring the commie Mayor of NYC

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:09 PM (8avO+)

192 that JD Vance interview is really good btw

he's great! she's a maroon
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His repeated public humiliation of women interviewers is going to catapult him sex symbol status. Even though he looks like a teddy bear.

Posted by: Stranger things have happened at August 25, 2025 03:09 PM (yxoWI)

193 In January of 2037 JD Vance will still be president.

2037.

Think about that.

Posted by: Fingers crossed at August 25, 2025 03:09 PM (4vq7V)

194 190 End Wokeness
@EndWokeness
Jarad Nava paraIyzed an innocent girI

Governor Gavin Newsom commuted his 162 year jaiI sentence down to just 8 years total

He now works for CA's Public Safety Dept

In 2012 Jarad Nava shot into a car multiple times and paralyzed Yesenia Castro from the waist down, while yelling “You’re going to die today bitch”, according to prosecutors.

https://tinyurl.com/4kp9ffps
Posted by: redridinghood at August 25, 2025 03:08 PM (NpAcC)

Only one Willie Horton was enough to sink Dukakis. How many Hortons has Newsom chalked up by now?

Posted by: Openly supporting crime at August 25, 2025 03:10 PM (TbWk/)

195 not even joking talking to VT residents and they swear if their elections weren't fraudulent they'd be red!

I mean it used to be, apparently
Posted by: Black Orchid at August 25, 2025 03:01 PM

Vermont was solidly Republican. Then all the commie New Yorkers and Massholes moved in and flipped it. Not hard when your largest city has a population of 44K.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 25, 2025 03:10 PM (ySpAZ)

196 I don't suppose it's even in the cards that Democrats will choose to back away from the various voter-poison policies that resulted in this situation.

Did the GOP ever back away from Free Trade ? No.

Y'all act like there is some kind of sanity in this - instead of ideology that doesn't care and just turning the knob up to 11.

Posted by: Call It What It Is at August 25, 2025 03:11 PM (7Q6Hb)

197
His repeated public humiliation of women interviewers is going to catapult him sex symbol status.

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Part of me thinks the woman interviewers are secretly saying to themselves, "Spank me. Spank me hard!"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 25, 2025 03:11 PM (kkTda)

198 Perhaps if the democrats compared Trump to Hitler. That might work.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 25, 2025 03:11 PM (u73oe)

199 End Wokeness
@EndWokeness
Jarad Nava paraIyzed an innocent girI

Governor Gavin Newsom commuted his 162 year jaiI sentence down to just 8 years total

He now works for CA's Public Safety Dept

In 2012 Jarad Nava shot into a car multiple times and paralyzed Yesenia Castro from the waist down, while yelling “You’re going to die today bitch”, according to prosecutors.

https://tinyurl.com/4kp9ffps
Posted by: redridinghood at August 25, 2025 03:08 PM (NpAcC)
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Brown-on-brown violence. Nobody cares.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 03:11 PM (iFTx/)

200 Name a policy the Dems can embrace that will sway the Biden to Trump voter to go back and vote for the Dems?

There are none.

Recall how they were always able to out-Santa Clause the R every election?
But Kamala's $50k for black businesses didn't even twitch the needle.
That was all they had left to appeal to normies--bribes.

Like gerrymandering, they've maxed out the numbers they can bribe to vote for them.

PS:
Add several more states to "potential to redistrict" if SCOTUS strikes down minority-majority districts.
LOL.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 25, 2025 03:12 PM (HuNM+)

201 NYT article: one hope for Democrats is to do what seems, at least after the 2024 election, impossible: pivot to the South. That would mean turning states like Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas and Louisiana — all places Mr. Trump won by more than 20 percentage points — into competitive battlegrounds, and quickly.

That's not a hope or a plan. That is desperation. It is not unreasonable to expect an increase in stunning come from behind Democrat election victories weeks after election day.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at August 25, 2025 03:07 PM (zdKZs)

That's not even desperation, it is insanity. You'd have a better chance trying to flip Dakotas somehow, because your colonists would have fewer people to flip.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:12 PM (8avO+)

202 >
Romney found a safe haven in Utah. Why ? Because they are just what is in front of their nose idiots.

Sad to say, there are a lot of Utahns (especially older ones) who will vote for anyone who claims to be a Mormon, regardless of what he actually does.

Reminds me of an older relative I have... Baptist, hates illegal aliens, hates abortion, thinks "transgenderism" is a mental illness, is violently opposed to any type of gun control...

Votes D every election.

Why? Because his daddy and grandaddy did, and because the Dems are "for the little guy".

I've tried pointing out that the Gateses and the Zuckerbergs, and the Heinz-Kerrys, and the Pelosis, and... are pretty goddamned far from being "little guys", but it's like talking to a post. He's basically indoctrinated in the same way as cult members are. He'll vote D until the day he dies.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 25, 2025 03:12 PM (qpyNK)

203 129
"The only way to win the presidency is to nominate a Republican that Cindy McCain approves of."
-someone around here about a year ago
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August

The McCains do have an odd hold. Meghan is getting better, her smart to dumb ration has flipped to 1 dumb thing to 3 smart.

Posted by: Piper at August 25, 2025 03:13 PM (pZEOD)

204 >>>That's probably about right overall, but I don't think there's anything like 33% who genuinely believe you can grow a vagina just by imagining that you have one. At best, they'll agree with that nonsense publicly, while keeping their opinions to themselves (and in the voting booth).
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
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Agreed, the dick/vagina exchange represents whackjob leadership attempting to go full putsch.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 25, 2025 03:13 PM (c35xG)

205 200 Name a policy the Dems can embrace that will sway the Biden to Trump voter to go back and vote for the Dems?

There are none.

Recall how they were always able to out-Santa Clause the R every election?
But Kamala's $50k for black businesses didn't even twitch the needle.
That was all they had left to appeal to normies--bribes.

Like gerrymandering, they've maxed out the numbers they can bribe to vote for them.

PS:
Add several more states to "potential to redistrict" if SCOTUS strikes down minority-majority districts.
LOL.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 25, 2025 03:12 PM (HuNM+)

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Covid and open borders fucked the Democrat Party brand for at least a generation of young people.

Gen-Z women are currently as Republican as men who were born in the late 80s. Gen-Z men are the most Republican group in over a hundred years.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 03:13 PM (GBKbO)

206 Even though he looks like a teddy bear.

Posted by: Stranger things have happened at August 25, 2025 03:09 PM (yxoWI)

He has pretty eyes.

Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at August 25, 2025 03:13 PM (DJ7uY)

207

In California, the Democrats intend to ram through a redistricting map for which they refuse to identify the source, using an unconstitutional procedure, spending money that they don't have ($250 million), to show that Newsom is presidential candidate material.

All I can say is, this level of desperation and haste may provide opportunities to expose things like election fraud. They're in such a hurry.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at August 25, 2025 03:13 PM (VWtfl)

208 29 "I know the wording in the Constitution is "persons" and not "citizens", but considering these numbers are for political representation of voters, how on Earth can the SC say that a tens of millions of illegals concentrated in a handful of blue states deserves representation in US elections?"

I think "persons" was deliberately chosen in the Constitution to be able to count non-citizens, in that case slaves. The South wanted slaves to count for representation purposes but not for taxation. Hence, the 3/5 compromise. Sounds familiar with how the left wants to treat today's illegals as serfs to pick crops, mow lawns, mind chillren, etc....

Posted by: Martin Tell at August 25, 2025 03:13 PM (sFNX2)

209 208 I think "persons" was deliberately chosen in the Constitution to be able to count non-citizens, in that case slaves. The South wanted slaves to count for representation purposes but not for taxation. Hence, the 3/5 compromise. Sounds familiar with how the left wants to treat today's illegals as serfs to pick crops, mow lawns, mind chillren, etc....
Posted by: Martin Tell at August 25, 2025 03:13 PM (sFNX2)

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Also women and children.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 03:14 PM (GBKbO)

210 196 I don't suppose it's even in the cards that Democrats will choose to back away from the various voter-poison policies that resulted in this situation.

Did the GOP ever back away from Free Trade ? No.

Y'all act like there is some kind of sanity in this - instead of ideology that doesn't care and just turning the knob up to 11.
Posted by: Call It What It Is at August 25, 2025 03:11 PM (7Q6Hb)

They can't back away. They've spent so long saying that opposing those policies makes somebody into Super Mega Turbo Hitler.

Posted by: XTC at August 25, 2025 03:14 PM (UnA8+)

211 VOTE VANCE!

Posted by: Sid at August 25, 2025 03:14 PM (LsI7g)

212 I've tried pointing out that the Gateses and the Zuckerbergs, and the Heinz-Kerrys, and the Pelosis, and... are pretty goddamned far from being "little guys", but it's like talking to a post. He's basically indoctrinated in the same way as cult members are. He'll vote D until the day he dies.


Why do you think he'll stop then?

Posted by: Archimedes at August 25, 2025 03:15 PM (Riz8t)

213 That's not even desperation, it is insanity. You'd have a better chance trying to flip Dakotas somehow, because your colonists would have fewer people to flip.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:12 PM (8avO+)

Well, every four years the Dems are convinced Texas is in play....

Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at August 25, 2025 03:15 PM (DJ7uY)

214 160 > The old school machine is in near open warfare with the Somali replacements in Minneapolis right now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:57 PM (GBKbO)

I laughed my fucking ass off a few years ago when a long time Dem grifter of the Jewish persuasion got her seat ganked by a Muslim, after a huge anti-Semitic campaign by the Muzzie.

She didn't know whether to shit or go blind. "But-but-but... I'm on YOUR SIDE, guys!"

I think this was in Minneapolis. Might've been in the Dearborn region of Michigan.
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It was MPLS, Phyllis Kahn, old leftie, got beat by Ilhan Omar.

Posted by: beckster at August 25, 2025 03:15 PM (NLtte)

215 Vermont was solidly Republican. Then all the commie New Yorkers and Massholes moved in and flipped it. Not hard when your largest city has a population of 44K.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 25, 2025 03:10 PM (ySpAZ)
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I remember when they were first getting a foothold and making an effort to gain seats on municipal governments. There were a number of towns that had these guys called "inchers." Their job was to travel around town with a ruler and measure grass height in front lawns. If it was a fraction too high, the owner would get fined.

I don't know if they still have those guys, but at the time everyone in NH turned it into a dick joke.

Posted by: Orson at August 25, 2025 03:16 PM (dIske)

216
Also women and children.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 03:14 PM (GBKbO)

Hardest hit!

Posted by: As they always are. Sad! at August 25, 2025 03:16 PM (TbWk/)

217 The solution for the Dems is simple--allow criminals, illegals and the citizens of China to vote in US elections.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 25, 2025 03:16 PM (6eOSv)

218 That's not even desperation, it is insanity. You'd have a better chance trying to flip Dakotas somehow, because your colonists would have fewer people to flip.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:12 PM (8avO+)

Well, every four years the Dems are convinced Texas is in play....
Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at August 25, 2025 03:15 PM (DJ7uY)

They had to Carpet Bag a candidate from St Louis faking a ghetto accent for their great white hope in Texas.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:16 PM (8avO+)

219 lol post 211 is funnier than Weapons!

Posted by: Black Orchid at August 25, 2025 03:17 PM (Pv3Rg)

220 Brown-on-brown violence. Nobody cares.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 03:11 PM (iFTx/)
*******
He's posing with Newsom next to a Christmas tree and he is now working for California's public safety department?

I think some people will care.
Hopefully, it will be stuff like this that will slowly sink his chances of being POTUS.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 25, 2025 03:17 PM (NpAcC)

221 But, I also don't think the courts will agree on not counting the illegals for matters of representation.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 02:37 PM (GBKbO)

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Can we at least count citizens so we can get a count of citizens/immigrants?
Posted by: MAGA_Ken

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For the census it would seem obvious that you do not count transients. Or does Vegas or Honolulu get a half-million population bonus becuse the hotel rooms were all booked during the census (year)?
Lawful Permanent Residences (LPR - Green Card for those in Rio Linda) should count at their legal residence, others count at the address on their IDs or where registered to vote, minor dependents where their psrent lives.
Homeless and aliens (legal or not) do not count as they are transient.

With so much data on everyone, you almost don't even need a survey. Just review the last year' 1040s with valid SSNs.

The sole purpose of the Census how handeld now is electoral fraud.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 25, 2025 03:17 PM (/lPRQ)

222 Votes D every election.

One of the themes I constantly bang on here.

Now explain while my dad - wasn't like he fought in 'Nam - just knee-jerks all things Putin. "I hate Putin" he'll always say.

Why ? Because he was born in 1950 something, and that's just what he knows. He knows so much about the rest of the country and world - even though he's never went more than two hours north. He's been to Florida a bunch, of course.

Posted by: Call It What It Is at August 25, 2025 03:18 PM (7Q6Hb)

223 How is WA not a 'state with Democrat control' on that map?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 25, 2025 03:18 PM (xcxpd)

224 Let's turn the question back on that news gal:

If Democrat policies were so popular, why does CA need to redistrict to gain 5 seats?

Or even water it down, if Trump is so hated in CA, why does CA need to redistrict to win 5 more seats?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 25, 2025 03:18 PM (HuNM+)

225 @214 ilhan Omar went to synagogues in her district and assured the congregations that she wasn't antisemitic and would listen to them. How'd that work out, fools?

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 25, 2025 03:18 PM (9GN4U)

226 Brown-on-brown violence. Nobody cares.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 03:11 PM (iFTx/)
*******
He's posing with Newsom next to a Christmas tree and he is now working for California's public safety department?

I think some people will care.
Hopefully, it will be stuff like this that will slowly sink his chances of being POTUS.
Posted by: redridinghood at August 25, 2025 03:17 PM (NpAcC)
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The left -- including CA democraps -- spent the last 4 months lionizing an illegal alien wife-beating sex trafficker. They do not care. I wish they did. They don't.

Gov Jeri Curl has no chance in 2028 no matter what.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 03:19 PM (iFTx/)

227 225 @214 ilhan Omar went to synagogues in her district and assured the congregations that she wasn't antisemitic and would listen to them. How'd that work out, fools?

They chose...poorly.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 25, 2025 03:20 PM (Riz8t)

228 I think people are failing to appreciate just how desperate Democrats are and the lengths they are willing to go to to regain and hold power.

Unde Biden, during COVID they essentially, along with Democrat led states, created a dictatorship. I believe the next election will be so corrupt, it will be like nothing we’ve ever seen in terms of fraud and harvesting of mail-in ballots.

They want a revolution and they feel that’s the way to get it.

Posted by: Vengeance at August 25, 2025 03:20 PM (bYeFf)

229 They can't back away. They've spent so long saying that opposing those policies makes somebody into Super Mega Turbo Hitler.

Posted by: XTC at August 25, 2025 03:14 PM (UnA8+)

Now lets talk Back the Blue.

Posted by: Call It What It Is at August 25, 2025 03:20 PM (7Q6Hb)

230 But I kept being told there was no path to victory?

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 25, 2025 03:20 PM (WHfpM)

231 Also women and children.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 03:14 PM (GBKbO)

Hardest hit!

Posted by: As they always are. Sad! at August 25, 2025 03:16 PM (TbWk/)

Right on.

Posted by: Doug Pimp Hand Emhoff at August 25, 2025 03:20 PM (i24o9)

232 In California, the Democrats intend to ram through a redistricting map for which they refuse to identify the source, using an unconstitutional procedure, spending money that they don't have ($250 million), to show that Newsom is presidential candidate material.



Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug

I don't think the election is 250M.

It is also to change the law for mid year. There is supposedly an independent commission filled with Ds. It'll be interesting.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at August 25, 2025 03:20 PM (JkCto)

233 ALL of the re-districting proposals, by both Republicans and Democrats, are based on accurately predicting how most people are going to vote.

The finer you slice the districts, the more probable a "wave" election becomes.

If you make a bunch of districts +3 for your party, and then the voters move -6 in an election, you are flipping LOTS of seats.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 25, 2025 03:21 PM (HlyYF)

234 Unde Biden, during COVID they essentially, along with Democrat led states, created a dictatorship. I believe the next election will be so corrupt, it will be like nothing we’ve ever seen in terms of fraud and harvesting of mail-in ballots.


I think you're forgetting that Trump is in charge, and the RNC has new management. They did a great job in '24, and I expect them to build from there.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 25, 2025 03:21 PM (Riz8t)

235 My proposal: One city - one representative - one vote.

Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at August 25, 2025 03:21 PM (MZ+PY)

236 Kristin, you ignorant slut...
Posted by: huerfano
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Right out of the gate, a possible Thread Winner.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 25, 2025 03:22 PM (XeU6L)

237 "One of the themes I constantly bang on here"

I laughed.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2025 03:23 PM (2GCMq)

238 How many scumbag assholes can we deport to Uganda?

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 25, 2025 03:23 PM (iFTx/)

239 Gen-Z women are currently as Republican as men who were born in the late 80s. Gen-Z men are the most Republican group in over a hundred years.
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Dems: What about student loan forgiveness!?
GenZ: I don't care, Margaret--college is a scam for losers.

Dems: Uh, but abortion!
GenZ: I like the idea of a 2/1 starter in the suburbs, picket fence, spouse and kids.

Dems: But we're cool!
GenZ: No you're not.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 25, 2025 03:23 PM (HuNM+)

240 Blue states SHOULD have lost 3-4 MORE seats to Red states as a result of the 2020 Census, except for the Census Scandal which undercounted about 7 Red states and overcounted about 7 Blue states (which the Census Bureau later acknowledged). No one talks about these STOLEN seats.

Posted by: Mm hmm at August 25, 2025 03:23 PM (qUkBO)

241 I think lots of people care about brown on brown violins. In fact, it's kind of rare to see a two tone brown musical instrument... probably made from some exotic types of wood...

What?

Oh.

Never mind...

Posted by: Emily Litella at August 25, 2025 03:23 PM (EG28c)

242 lol, before the thread is stale expired, Obama judge blocks deportation to Uganda.

She did the meme.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at August 25, 2025 03:24 PM (i24o9)

243 Posted by: Call It What It Is at August 25, 2025 03:20 PM (7Q6Hb)

When can we fit in "Bad news with all Boomers"?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2025 03:24 PM (2GCMq)

244 I've tried pointing out that the Gateses and the Zuckerbergs, and the Heinz-Kerrys, and the Pelosis, and... are pretty goddamned far from being "little guys", but it's like talking to a post. He's basically indoctrinated in the same way as cult members are. He'll vote D until the day he dies.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 25, 2025 03:12 PM (qpyNK)

Perhaps, but there's always a breaking point where you flip. SE Ohio was heavily DEM and made the state a bellweather, but now it is solid red. The Solid South went for Reagan and purged out Congressmen steadily for decades. California used to be fairly red, but deindustrialization made it pretty blue.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:24 PM (8avO+)

245 Democrats undermined our entire immigration system and violated the USC to flood the country with illegal immigrants and give them every benefit imaginable. They suspended free speech, the First, Second and most of the rest of The Bill of Rights during covid. They subverted the entire election process with mail in ballots, and they’re still doing it. They used the courts to jail political opponents who didn’t commit any crimes.

Honestly, people should wake up. They aren’t going quietly.

Posted by: Vengeance at August 25, 2025 03:24 PM (bYeFf)

246 Also women and children.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 03:14 PM (GBKbO)

Hardest hit!
Posted by: As they always are. Sad! at August 25, 2025 03:16 PM (TbWk/)

This is one of those things, when you look more closely at the data, it's not what you think.

Of course women and children are hardest hit! They're easier to hit!!

Men tend to stick and move, and you might even be reluctant to hit a man, as he might hit you back, but with women and children? Swing away, dude.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2025 03:25 PM (dGCAG)

247 My proposal: One city - one representative - one vote.

Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at August 25, 2025 03:21 PM (MZ+PY)

My proposal is much simpler.

Why does Northern California - or anywhere not in Chicago, Illinois - have to share common ground with those who subjugate them ?

The boundaries where arbitrary back in the day. Based on, most often, nothing more than "what can we claim right now".

Let citizens create a new state - without the Senate and House blessing it. Because all 100 Senators agree upon is that they've hit the gravy train.

Posted by: Call It What It Is at August 25, 2025 03:25 PM (7Q6Hb)

248 They just need more lisping homosexuals to teach young men True Masculinity.

Posted by: toby928 at August 25, 2025 03:25 PM (jc0TO)

249 It's just another Merlot Monday.

Posted by: Old Lady Emhoff at August 25, 2025 03:25 PM (EG28c)

250 239 Dems: What about student loan forgiveness!?
GenZ: I don't care, Margaret--college is a scam for losers.

Dems: Uh, but abortion!
GenZ: I like the idea of a 2/1 starter in the suburbs, picket fence, spouse and kids.

Dems: But we're cool!
GenZ: No you're not.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 25, 2025 03:23 PM (HuNM+)

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The sigma kids want to deport everyone. It's just what being sigma means.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 03:25 PM (GBKbO)

251 Are newsbimbos really as ignorant/stupid as they seem or are they paid to act out a role?

Posted by: Still lurking up north, read some, don't comment much at August 25, 2025 03:26 PM (kTd/k)

252 Every election California counts for weeks until their candidates win. Ditto other Blue States. I don’t think they give a shit about redistricting as long and the voter fraud persists.

Posted by: Vengeance at August 25, 2025 03:26 PM (bYeFf)

253 And Democrats will block or delay as many as they can through the courts. They're mighty successful at it too.

How many times in the last two decades had the GOP successfully stymied a DEM redistrict map in the Courts?

Posted by: geewhiz at August 25, 2025 03:26 PM (V87Oy)

254
Are newsbimbos really as ignorant/stupid as they seem or are they paid to act out a role?
Posted by: Still lurking up north, read some, don't comment much

__________

They're not accustomed to men disagreeing with them.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 25, 2025 03:27 PM (kkTda)

255 I think you're forgetting that Trump is in charge, and the RNC has new management. They did a great job in '24, and I expect them to build from there.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 25, 2025 03:21 PM (Riz8t)

Scott Pressler is a star and he should have more forces to swing more reachable regions this time. His homegrown people cleaning up neglected areas should be enhanced.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:27 PM (8avO+)

256 Are newsbimbos really as ignorant/stupid as they seem or are they paid to act out a role?

Posted by: Still lurking up north, read some, don't comment much at August 25, 2025 03:26 PM (kTd/k)

And.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at August 25, 2025 03:27 PM (buExO)

257 Standard redistricting process used by the Left is to identify the suburbs that tend to vote republican consistently, and then fold them into the closest urban area.

This was done (illegally) in Pennsylvania while the Republicans held the majority. The State constitution expressly states that only the Legislature can redistrict. HOWEVER, when the Republicans submitted their redistricting plans (perfectly legally), the PA Supreme Court shot it down, and proceeded to hire a Stanford Univ. professor as an "objective" party. That guy makes a living out of doing so, and is a leftist political hack. He did exactly as I stated above. Found republican strongholds in suburbs and folded them into cities. This also happened in North Carolina using the same Stanford prof. with similar results.

Posted by: Orson at August 25, 2025 03:27 PM (dIske)

258 Heh. DC has gone 12 days without a murder. This truly upsets the Dems

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 25, 2025 03:27 PM (9GN4U)

259 Relax, everybody. Cracker Barrel has apologized.

Daily Caller@DailyCaller
NEW: Cracker Barrel issues statement after backlash over new logo, admits it "could’ve done a better job sharing who we are."

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By adding QWERTY+ to the logo?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at August 25, 2025 03:27 PM (L/fGl)

260 Rodrigo, your daddy will continue to vote Dem. long after he's dead.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at August 25, 2025 03:28 PM (wBaIH)

261 VT has too many Massholes and Trustafarian living there now.

Posted by: pudinhead at August 25, 2025 03:28 PM (c711F)

262 Every election California counts for weeks until their candidates win. Ditto other Blue States. I don’t think they give a shit about redistricting as long and the voter fraud persists.
Posted by: Vengeance at August 25, 2025 03:26 PM (bYeFf)

Trump has tried to tie relief funding to various voter ID schemes in CA.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:28 PM (8avO+)

263 Relax, everybody. Cracker Barrel has apologized.

Daily Caller@DailyCaller
NEW: Cracker Barrel issues statement after backlash over new logo, admits it "could’ve done a better job sharing who we are."

-
By adding QWERTY+ to the logo?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at August 25, 2025 03:27 PM

Colorful stripes on the barrel.

Posted by: toby928 at August 25, 2025 03:28 PM (jc0TO)

264 This is about us isn't it?

Posted by: Newsbimbos at August 25, 2025 03:29 PM (EG28c)

265 >>>That's not a hope or a plan. That is desperation. It is not unreasonable to expect an increase in stunning come from behind Democrat election victories weeks after election day.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at August 25, 2025 03:07 PM (zdKZs)

That's not even desperation, it is insanity. You'd have a better chance trying to flip Dakotas somehow, because your colonists would have fewer people to flip.
Posted by: Oldcat
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Anywhere there is high possibility of voter fraud (mail in ballots, etc.) there is a higher possibility of Democrat victory.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 25, 2025 03:29 PM (c35xG)

266 Here's the biggest indicator that 2026 will not be like historic mid-terms:

Why do Democrats think Trump won in 2024?

How does the "party out of power" gain power when it doesn't even know why it's out of power?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 25, 2025 03:29 PM (HuNM+)

267 Are newsbimbos really as ignorant/stupid as they seem or are they paid to act out a role?

Posted by: Still lurking up north, read some, don't comment much

Well, they can't all be Joy Reids.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at August 25, 2025 03:29 PM (L/fGl)

268 By adding QWERTY+ to the logo?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at August 25, 2025 03:27 PM (L/fGl)

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A QWERTY+PEDO logo to attract their target customer base.

Posted by: ShainS -- Black Lives Don't Matter Now That Trump Is Saving Them In DC at August 25, 2025 03:30 PM (zQlkF)

269 266 Here's the biggest indicator that 2026 will not be like historic mid-terms:

Why do Democrats think Trump won in 2024?

How does the "party out of power" gain power when it doesn't even know why it's out of power?
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 25, 2025 03:29 PM (HuNM+)

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Eh.

The GOP won in 2010 despite prostrating itself to Obama.

Parties are stupid and beneficiaries of the people's anger, not drivers of electoral results.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 03:30 PM (GBKbO)

270 Come on down! The food is pretty OK and the chef sucks dick!

Posted by: Cracker Barrel at August 25, 2025 03:31 PM (u73oe)

271
VT has too many Massholes and Trustafarian living there now.
Posted by: pudinhead at August 25, 2025 03:28 PM (c711F)

_________

Used to be a state of doughty granite quarriers and dairy farmers. Now the home of twee B&B owners and vegan antique stores. Principal export: smug.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 25, 2025 03:31 PM (kkTda)

272 Anywhere there is high possibility of voter fraud (mail in ballots, etc.) there is a higher possibility of Democrat victory.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 25, 2025 03:29 PM (c35xG)

There are natural limits in that kind of thing like when the Border Ruffians in Kansas Territory had 1800 votes in a district of 128 households, all copied out of the Cincinnati Directory.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:32 PM (8avO+)

273 209 208 I think "persons" was deliberately chosen in the Constitution to be able to count non-citizens, in that case slaves. The South wanted slaves to count for representation purposes but not for taxation. Hence, the 3/5 compromise. Sounds familiar with how the left wants to treat today's illegals as serfs to pick crops, mow lawns, mind chillren, etc....
Posted by: Martin Tell at August 25, 2025 03:13 PM (sFNX2)
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Also women and children.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 03:14 PM (GBKbO)

That's a very good point that very few people grasp. The 14th amendment radically changed the entire concept of Citizenship. Before that, the definition of "Citizen of the US" was "Citizen of the one of the States". And in many states, pre-war, citizenship was still limited to male property owners.
It would be kinda nice to go back to that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 25, 2025 03:32 PM (uWKK8)

274 Post 2008 election all the experts and pundits predicted Dems would hold power for 40 years. How’s that work out?

These long term political predictions are meaningless.

Americans voters are some of the most fickle people on the planet. It’s hard to say what will happen in 2026 let alone in 2032. Just because people move to a red anrea also doesn’t mean they’ll vote red. Bunch of people moved to my city which used to be red-ish and have turned it slowly but surely into a100% Democrat controlled city council and mayor.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 25, 2025 03:32 PM (wrRTB)

275 They are not. California elects what they do because San Fran and south are insane. A fair counting of those elections will be insane. But fair.
Posted by: Call It What It Is at August 25, 2025 03:07 PM (7Q6Hb)


If you truly believe this, why do you continue to struggle? Surely surrender will serve you better in the long run, and servitude in such a system would be a better fate than dying in a ditch.

Posted by: Kindltot` at August 25, 2025 03:32 PM (rbvCR)

276 Let’s just go ahead and hold the elections anyway just in case everyone is wrong.

Posted by: Cow Demon at August 25, 2025 03:32 PM (1X0uI)

277 America is just not that into you democrat party.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at August 25, 2025 03:33 PM (17s+e)

278 Daily Caller@DailyCaller
NEW: Cracker Barrel issues statement after backlash over new logo, admits it "could’ve done a better job sharing who we are."

-
By adding QWERTY+ to the logo?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at August 25, 2025 03:27 PM

Colorful stripes on the barrel.
Posted by: toby928 at August 25, 2025 03:28 PM (jc0TO)

Wow, that's some A plus double good doublespeak.

That's not your problem folks, your problem is you shared EXACTLY who you are.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 25, 2025 03:33 PM (dGCAG)

279 Here's the biggest indicator that 2026 will not be like historic mid-terms:

Why do Democrats think Trump won in 2024?

How does the "party out of power" gain power when it doesn't even know why it's out of power?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 25, 2025 03:29 PM (HuNM+)

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"Putin's gonna steal 2026 for his Puppet Trump -- just like he did in 2016 and 2024, fellow h8r Nazi! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Black Lives Don't Matter Now That Trump Is Saving Them In DC at August 25, 2025 03:34 PM (zQlkF)

280 The 3/5th rule was brokered by Rhode Island. Rhode Island should be a national park and loose its seat at the big boy table. Same deal with DC, too.

Posted by: pudinhead at August 25, 2025 03:35 PM (c711F)

281
America is just not that into you democrat party.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at August 25, 2025 03:33 PM (17s+e)

__________

They've been Friend Zoned

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 25, 2025 03:35 PM (kkTda)

282 235 My proposal: One city - one representative - one vote.
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at August 25, 2025 03:21 PM (MZ+PY)

America has several thousand cities. What population number cutoff would you use? And how will those outside of cities be represented?

A computerized system would be the best, but I don't see how to implement it nationwide.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 25, 2025 03:36 PM (uWKK8)

283 Heh. DC has gone 12 days without a murder. This truly upsets the Dems
Posted by: Smell the Glove

https://is.gd/bz5vk8

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at August 25, 2025 03:36 PM (L/fGl)

284 Come on down! The food is pretty OK and the chef sucks dick!
Posted by: Cracker Barrel at August 25, 2025 03:31 PM (u73oe)

Male dicks or female dicks?

We have quotas to fill.

Posted by: H.R. at August 25, 2025 03:36 PM (dGCAG)

285 Are newsbimbos really as ignorant/stupid as they seem or are they paid to act out a role?

Most of them? Yes. The literally cannot *think* and just repeat talking points.

Even the smarter ones though have cognitive limitations.

Remember Cathy Newman trying to "gotcha" Jordan Peterson? And she was completely unprepared for his obvious responses?

Well, they followed that up with an interview with Helen Lewis who might be the best the left has to offer. She prepared. The whole interview was her setting down land mines and waiting for him to walk on them. And it didn't work because she couldn't think for herself any more then Newman or hell Kamala Harris can.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2025 03:37 PM (sKqQm)

286 I love Bernie's VT accent.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at August 25, 2025 03:37 PM (wBaIH)

287 If you truly believe this, why do you continue to struggle? Surely surrender will serve you better in the long run, and servitude in such a system would be a better fate than dying in a ditch.

I don't. I consider Southern California - like a lot of other places in the United States - not my countrymen.

Its not a struggle at all.

Posted by: Call It What It Is at August 25, 2025 03:38 PM (7Q6Hb)

288
That's a very good point that very few people grasp. The 14th amendment radically changed the entire concept of Citizenship. Before that, the definition of "Citizen of the US" was "Citizen of the one of the States". And in many states, pre-war, citizenship was still limited to male property owners.
It would be kinda nice to go back to that.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 25, 2025 03:32 PM (uWKK

Reactionaries of the world, unite!

Posted by: Cow Demon at August 25, 2025 03:38 PM (1X0uI)

289 The greatest indicator of who the LIVs will vote for?

The general state of the economy in the summer/early fall before the election - something Trump will hopefully be focused on like a laser...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2025 03:38 PM (sKqQm)

290 I think in the States there should be some Electoral College type deal to enhance the rural vote to balance the corrupt machine politics dominating the entire state.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:39 PM (8avO+)

291 Greg Price@greg_price11
Minnesota AG Keith Ellison at the DNC Summer Meeting: "We have sued Trump for gender affirming care. We are not going to scapegoat the transgender community."

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Yeah, run on that.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy at August 25, 2025 03:39 PM (L/fGl)

292 I don't. I consider Southern California - like a lot of other places in the United States - not my countrymen.

Its not a struggle at all.
Posted by: Call It What It Is at August 25, 2025 03:38 PM (7Q6Hb)

Of course not, its a large landform of mountains and deserts.

You are kinda nuts.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:40 PM (8avO+)

293 289 The greatest indicator of who the LIVs will vote for?

The general state of the economy in the summer/early fall before the election - something Trump will hopefully be focused on like a laser...
Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2025 03:38 PM (sKqQm)

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"Localized impressions of the economy," is more accurate, I believe.

GDP doesn't move people's votes. Being able to afford rent does.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 03:40 PM (GBKbO)

294 If only men voted in the 2024 election Trump wins 358 EVs.

If only women Harris wins 321 EVs

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2025 03:42 PM (sKqQm)

295 I think in the States there should be some Electoral College type deal to enhance the rural vote to balance the corrupt machine politics dominating the entire state.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:39 PM (8avO+)

I think in whatever state you live in - you are free to pursue exactly that.

And I think Mississippi and New York should mind their own business with respect to how each handle the education of their own children and bathroom details.

I am, apparently, in the minority. I also think the 9th largest economy in the world - as I'm constantly told on TV about California - should be allowed to go bankrupt.

Posted by: Call It What It Is at August 25, 2025 03:42 PM (7Q6Hb)

296 "Localized impressions of the economy," is more accurate, I believe.

GDP doesn't move people's votes. Being able to afford rent does.

Though the interesting point in this is that in a presidential election this mostly only matters in the contested states because CA is still voting commie and TX GOP...

In House elections though the contested districts are more scattered.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2025 03:43 PM (sKqQm)

297 Americans voters are some of the most fickle people on the planet. It’s hard to say what will happen in 2026 let alone in 2032. Just because people move to a red anrea also doesn’t mean they’ll vote red. Bunch of people moved to my city which used to be red-ish and have turned it slowly but surely into a100% Democrat controlled city council and mayor.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 25, 2025 03:32 PM (wrRTB)

Their biggest mistake in projecting future votes was due to Ruy Texeira, who wrote "the emerging Democrat Majority" in 2002. His big thesis was that Hispanics were the fastest growing voting bloc, and hispanics would always vote democrat.
That's where all the crap about Texas going blue came from, too. It just ain't worked out that way.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 25, 2025 03:43 PM (uWKK8)

298 >>>That's not your problem folks, your problem is you shared EXACTLY who you are.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Who shorted Cracker Barrel and by how much before it went public with this QWERTY?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at August 25, 2025 03:43 PM (c35xG)

299 It should not be all or nothing for state electoral votes. Nebraska and Maine do it right.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 25, 2025 03:44 PM (wrRTB)

300 "Localized impressions of the economy," is more accurate, I believe.

GDP doesn't move people's votes. Being able to afford rent does.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, growing up with John Hughes at August 25, 2025 03:40 PM (GBKbO)

Yes in Ukraine before the war there was lots of talk about the GDP balance between Russia and Ukraine's allies. But Russia's GDP included industry that was dedicated to mass producing weapons for modern warfare. The fact that NYC's banks could move paper money about didn't affect the war in reality.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:44 PM (8avO+)

301 Family update from CA
Had breakfast yesterday with my brother from the Bay Area and his new "girlfriend". Sheesh. He was wearing a "Kamala" t-shirt and his EV was drained so he was going to try to find a charging station in Santa Cruz to make it home.
Ha ha good luck, bruh.

Posted by: wth at August 25, 2025 03:45 PM (v0R5T)

302 Their biggest mistake in projecting future votes was due to Ruy Texeira, who wrote "the emerging Democrat Majority" in 2002. His big thesis was that Hispanics were the fastest growing voting bloc, and hispanics would always vote democrat.
That's where all the crap about Texas going blue came from, too. It just ain't worked out that way.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 25, 2025 03:43 PM (uWKK


Yes. And that’s my point. You can’t assume the people moving to red states today will vote Republican tomorrow.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 25, 2025 03:45 PM (wrRTB)

303 I think in whatever state you live in - you are free to pursue exactly that.

And I think Mississippi and New York should mind their own business with respect to how each handle the education of their own children and bathroom details.

I am, apparently, in the minority. I also think the 9th largest economy in the world - as I'm constantly told on TV about California - should be allowed to go bankrupt.
Posted by: Call It What It Is at August 25, 2025 03:42 PM (7Q6Hb)

That used to be done everywhere, and then a bad SCOTUS decision tossed it out. (Might have been the Warren Court, I forget) So according to the SCOTUS, the national apportionment system as laid out in the Constitution is unconstitutional.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 25, 2025 03:45 PM (uWKK8)

304 Greg Price@greg_price11
Minnesota AG Keith Ellison at the DNC Summer Meeting: "We have sued Trump for gender affirming care. We are not going to scapegoat the transgender community."

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Yeah, run on that.
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They are.
And that Karen's racist sign in VA is going to feature in a whole lot of campaign ads in 2026.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 25, 2025 03:46 PM (HuNM+)

305 Its not a struggle at all.
Posted by: Call It What It Is at August 25, 2025 03:38 PM (7Q6Hb)

It is, but just as a deferred fight. As you retreat into your bubble you lose the elements that could help you, a community or actual assets. Instead you flee, hide, and wait to be dug out of your hole.

Why wait?

Posted by: Kindltot` at August 25, 2025 03:46 PM (rbvCR)

306 Yes. And that’s my point. You can’t assume the people moving to red states today will vote Republican tomorrow.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 25, 2025 03:45 PM (wrRTB)

Luckily for us the new democrats all want to be islamo-communists. Not the kind of thing that gains too many new adherents.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 25, 2025 03:46 PM (uWKK8)

307 It should not be all or nothing for state electoral votes. Nebraska and Maine do it right.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 25, 2025 03:44 PM (wrRTB)

If you believe in republicanism ? I don't care how they do it. Just vote on it in the legislature. Flip a coin. Whatever.

I'm for proportional. Each district, and winner gets the two senators. But every other state can do whatever.

California can do what they do. Not like a I give a shit about California. Or New York. You get the picture.

Posted by: Call It What It Is at August 25, 2025 03:46 PM (7Q6Hb)

308 One potential interesting thing to note over the next year - layoffs are happening at the big tech companies.

Most of the people at these companies vote D but when they lose their jobs and find they can't get a new one because Amazon/Meta/whatever replaced them with someone in India or an H1B I wonder how they will vote...?

I wonder if we could see a surprise series of R pickups in the 'burbs of WA/CA (amplified by redistricting)/MA?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2025 03:46 PM (sKqQm)

309 Their biggest mistake in projecting future votes was due to Ruy Texeira, who wrote "the emerging Democrat Majority" in 2002. His big thesis was that Hispanics were the fastest growing voting bloc, and hispanics would always vote democrat.
That's where all the crap about Texas going blue came from, too. It just ain't worked out that way.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 25, 2025 03:43 PM (uWKK

Hispanics were never as plantationized in controllable areas as Blacks were. I was skeptical of that at the time, because I assumed that they would merge into their locality's way of thinking like most other immigrant groups. We never speak of the Italian, or Irish vote any more.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:47 PM (8avO+)

310
Yes in Ukraine before the war there was lots of talk about the GDP balance between Russia and Ukraine's allies. But Russia's GDP included industry that was dedicated to mass producing weapons for modern warfare. The fact that NYC's banks could move paper money about didn't affect the war in reality.

The Russians got artillery shells, the Ukes got media puff pieces...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2025 03:47 PM (sKqQm)

311 >>> 276 Let’s just go ahead and hold the elections anyway just in case everyone is wrong.
Posted by: Cow Demon at August 25, 2025 03:32 PM (1X0uI)

There you go with your crazy talk again!!!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 25, 2025 03:47 PM (ULPxl)

312 Instead you flee, hide, and wait to be dug out of your hole.

Why wait?

My "bubble" is pretty big. The South and Midwest.

Yeah - a few stars off the flag. Can't think of any of them I'll miss. Or any of those from those stars.

Posted by: Call It What It Is at August 25, 2025 03:48 PM (7Q6Hb)

313 NOOD

Dems vs Omar

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 25, 2025 03:49 PM (ULPxl)

314 We never speak of the Italian, or Irish vote any more.

Boston is hardcore Donk, but TBH its also more foreign then Irish nowadays (27% v 22%)

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2025 03:49 PM (sKqQm)

315 I'm for proportional. Each district, and winner gets the two senators. But every other state can do whatever.

California can do what they do. Not like a I give a shit about California. Or New York. You get the picture.
Posted by: Call It What It Is at August 25, 2025 03:46 PM (7Q6Hb)

Proportional Reps is the Devil's work. Now they at least have to pretend to care about what local voters think. That ends with Party Proportional voting.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:49 PM (8avO+)

316 Most of the people at these companies vote D but when they lose their jobs and find they can't get a new one because Amazon/Meta/whatever replaced them with someone in India or an H1B I wonder how they will vote...?

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Spend a few minutes perusing Reddit and the reason for the layoffs is

1. AI
2. Trump because he has plummeted us into a depression with his tariffs
3. Republicans because they hate science and investment in tech is hurting because of it



Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 25, 2025 03:51 PM (wrRTB)

317 We never speak of the Italian, or Irish vote any more.

Boston is hardcore Donk, but TBH its also more foreign then Irish nowadays (27% v 22%)
Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2025 03:49 PM (sKqQm)

Right and other Eastern Cities had Irish enclaves.
Cincinnati used to have a huge German speaking population with their own clubs and papers.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:51 PM (8avO+)

318 277 America is just not that into you democrat party.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at August 25, 2025 03:33 PM (17s+e)
Mob rule.

Posted by: Eromero at August 25, 2025 03:53 PM (LHPAg)

319 It'll be discussed for decades, how Ruy Texeira convinced the Dems to discard non-college whites.

And opened the door for Trump to move them into the Republican Party.

Ruy Texeira is howling now that the Dems must change course.
LOL, too late.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 25, 2025 03:53 PM (HuNM+)

320 Proportional Reps is the Devil's work. Now they at least have to pretend to care about what local voters think. That ends with Party Proportional voting.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 25, 2025 03:49 PM (8avO+)

Sure. I can see why a state like Illinois - that has 3/4 of its population in Chicago - would hate to get at least two or three local boys in the House. That would be anarchy, now wouldn't it.

Let me be honest and blunt. As stupid as you think I am ? My opinion of you is double.

Posted by: Call It What It Is at August 25, 2025 03:53 PM (7Q6Hb)

321 Our real problem is cities that are too big and powerful within a State. Chicago and LA and New York should be their own states.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 25, 2025 03:56 PM (wrRTB)

322 This would be great news if the Republicans didn't suck so much.

Posted by: Ib1netmon at August 25, 2025 04:28 PM (vTTFR)

323 Why is that guy's X handle @bubblebathgirl?

Posted by: logprof at August 25, 2025 04:53 PM (jo6FO)

324 I'm old enough I remember when Democrat redistricted Orange County and got rid of a bunch of R seats. Oh, how they laughed about that.

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at August 25, 2025 05:00 PM (D1vbu)

325 But, but, but it's different when we do it! - Dems

Posted by: butch at August 25, 2025 05:30 PM (98xTj)

326 Emanuel, not Eldridge Cleaver from Kansas City--but he might as well be.

Posted by: 370H55V I/me/mine at August 25, 2025 08:44 PM (wPOv3)

327 By the way, all this triumphalism assumes static voter orientation. How can you be sure that the red states will remain red (or the blue states blue for that matter) for the foreseeable future?

Don't get me wrong. I hope these projections are right, but we never thought a black radical like Obama could get elected president either.

Posted by: 370H55V I/me/mine at August 25, 2025 08:46 PM (wPOv3)

328 Footnote: Warning from Tennessee, where we have a "Republican super-majority": about a third of the GOPers, if not more, are ringers. Wolves in sheep's clothing.

Posted by: Beverly at August 25, 2025 09:09 PM (Epeb0)

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