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aceofspadeshq at gee mail.com CBD: cbd at cutjibnewsletter.com Buck: buck.throckmorton at protonmail.com joe mannix: mannix2024 at proton.me MisHum: petmorons at gee mail.com J.J. Sefton: sefton at cutjibnewsletter.com | The Climate Hoax Is Being Canceled with the EPA Terminating the “Endangerment Finding”![]() The Supreme Court case Massachusetts v. EPA in 2007 authorized the EPA to regulate greenhouse gases if the agency made the determination that global warming harms human health. In an appearance on the Ruthless Podcast this week, Zeldin said reversing the Endangerment Finding would be the “most significant deregulatory action in U.S. history.”In other words, our rulers in robes at the Supreme Court decreed in 2007 that if the EPA were to determine that global warming, caused by “greenhouse gases,” endangers health, then the governing mechanisms of the United States that are found in the Constitution could be suspended. Thereafter, the EPA could assume command-and-control regulatory powers over every aspect of economic activity, so long as those activities involved “greenhouse gases.” Coincidentally, when you breathe, you are exhaling CO2, a “greenhouse gas.” Conveniently enough, once Barack Obama became President in 2009, his EPA promptly ruled that “greenhouse gases in the atmosphere threaten the public health and welfare of current and future generations.” This became known as the “Endangerment Clause.” This clause took specific aim at gasoline powered cars in stating that “greenhouse gases from new motor vehicles and new motor vehicle engines contribute to the greenhouse gas pollution that threatens public health and welfare.” The Endangerment Clause was the moment when the climate cult started worshiping electric vehicles, and regulators started working to mandate them. July 29, 2025 was the date that Donald Trump and Lee Zeldin put a stop to the madness. “EPA Releases Proposal to Rescind Obama-Era Endangerment Finding, Regulations that Paved the Way for Electric Vehicle Mandates” [EPA Press Office – 7/29/2025] U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Administrator Lee Zeldin released the agency’s proposal to rescind the 2009 Endangerment Finding, which has been used to justify over $1 trillion in regulations, including the Biden-Harris Administration’s electric vehicle (EV) mandate. If finalized, the proposal would repeal all resulting greenhouse gas emissions regulations for motor vehicles and engines, thereby reinstating consumer choice and giving Americans the ability to purchase a safe and affordable car for their family while decreasing the cost of living on all products that trucks deliver. “With this proposal, the Trump EPA is proposing to end sixteen years of uncertainty for automakers and American consumers,” said EPA Administrator Zeldin. “In our work so far, many stakeholders have told me that the Obama and Biden EPAs twisted the law, ignored precedent, and warped science to achieve their preferred ends and stick American families with hundreds of billions of dollars in hidden taxes every single year.”This is a joyous moment. There is more work to do, but Trump and Zeldin have proved that they relish the battle. Rather than come up with my own closing summary, I am simply going to quote Research Fellow Linnea Lueken from that same Heartland press release. “The obsession over a trace gas is absurd, antiscientific, and has led to pain for Americans in the form of higher energy bills, overregulation of appliances, agriculture, and more. Basically, the Endangerment Finding gave unaccountable government agencies the ability to have a say over whatever they wanted, since every human activity results in the production of carbon dioxide. It never should have happened. The government should never have tried regulating a gas essential for life in the first place.”[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com] Comments(Jump to bottom of comments)1
H.Hola
Posted by: Thanatopsis at August 01, 2025 11:00 AM (GYt5+) 2
Woohoo!!
Posted by: Lizzy at August 01, 2025 11:01 AM (GbwPZ) 3
We're all gonna die. And the market is down almost 1.5%. And everyone is unemployed. Eeeeeek.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 11:02 AM (ExV1e) 4
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 01, 2025 11:02 AM (uWKK8) 5
The fraud is being cancelled?
Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:03 AM (krQz2) 6
Now do "ponds on my property are waterways."
Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 01, 2025 11:04 AM (JvZF+) 7
Ahem.
- Hawaiian Judge Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 01, 2025 11:04 AM (Vvm2m) 8
Mornin', All. Happy Friday.
Posted by: Bulg at August 01, 2025 11:04 AM (77rzZ) 9
We even chatted about the original ruling here - part of the Pawtomak Two Step...
It will take some time, I believe, too fully comprehend the damages caused by The Won... Posted by: man at August 01, 2025 11:05 AM (tubbA) Posted by: Stu Podaso at August 01, 2025 11:05 AM (M0V4/) 11
This is a joyous moment. There is more work to do, but Trump and Zeldin have proved that they relish the battle.
>> Hooray! The first thing to come to mind is that this will give manufacturers the opportunity to make cars beautiful again! Release the designers! Down with the lozenges! Posted by: mrp at August 01, 2025 11:05 AM (rj6Yv) 12
In other words, our rulers in robes at the Supreme Court decreed in 2007 that if the EPA were to determine that global warming, caused by “greenhouse gases,” endangers health, then the governing mechanisms of the United States that are found in the Constitution could be suspended. Thereafter, the EPA could assume command-and-control regulatory powers over every aspect of economic activity, so long as those activities involved “greenhouse gases.” Coincidentally, when you breathe, you are exhaling CO2, a “greenhouse gas.”
--- See, it's their successive distortion of words and concepts that is the real plan. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:06 AM (krQz2) 13
There is CO2 in the air.
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 01, 2025 11:07 AM (9RJQx) 14
I need to find a fake, existential threat to humanity that I can use to bilk governments out of billions of dollars. Just for fun and profit.
Did you know that plummeting birthrates which will eventually decimate socities are caused largely in part by young women's insecurity about their breasts? My organization, with the appropriate government funding, will work one on one with these women, to raise their self-esteem, and help them become fertile members of society again..... Posted by: Stateless - HAPPY NOT HOMELESS! - New Life Creation 15.7 % at August 01, 2025 11:07 AM (jvJvP) 15
The apocalypse has been canceled.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Something Smells Funny In Here at August 01, 2025 11:07 AM (L/fGl) 16
Mandates are Free Choice
Posted by: polynikes at August 01, 2025 11:07 AM (VofaG) 17
Serious question…
If scotus ruled they can do this, how does the admin undo that ruling? When the Hawaiian judge blocks this he’ll actually have a reason to do so. I’m not a fancy high falutin’ lawyer though so what am I missing? Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 01, 2025 11:07 AM (Vvm2m) 18
We're all gonna die.
Yeah. And where, exactly, are the promised empty shelves? Empty gas tanks? Higher grocery prices? It's August now... Beuller? Posted by: man at August 01, 2025 11:07 AM (tubbA) 19
Simply reversing the EPA decision only matters while there is Republican administration, a Democrat administration would simply put reauthorize it.
Does the EPA really have the statutory authority to conjure whatever the hell they want essentially bind congress, the executive and the states to their edicts? I find that implausible that they were given that authority by statute, more like it springs forth from some sort of emanation and penumbra only SCOTUS can see. Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 01, 2025 11:08 AM (XV/Pl) 20
Ahem.
- Hawaiian Judge Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 01, 2025 11:04 AM (Vvm2m) Speaking of...I was really kinda hoping the tidal wave from the big earthquake would rearrange the Obama residence in Hawaii. Oh well. Posted by: Diogenes at August 01, 2025 11:08 AM (W/lyH) 21
It’s amazing how full circle it’s all come from the 1977 Exxon closed door meeting that laid out the probable harms of C02..
Posted by: The Letter J at August 01, 2025 11:08 AM (Z/h4+) 22
My sister-in-laws father fought the EPA and spent a fortune doing it. Was not allowed to build on his lake plot because the EPA ruled that the whole property was a wetland. She thinks the fight hastened his demise. It's not right.
Posted by: Life of Wryly at August 01, 2025 11:08 AM (ycs3a) 23
"greenhouse gases from new motor vehicles and new motor vehicle engines contribute to the greenhouse gas pollution that threatens public health and welfare.”
The Endangerment Clause was the moment when the climate cult started worshiping electric vehicles, No mention when an EV lights off and dumps more greenhouse gases during it's burn that all the cars in the city in a day. Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2025 11:08 AM (t7hQH) 24
I just came in from outside and I'm covered with carbon dioxide, can I wash that off or do I have to burn it off?
Posted by: Eromero at August 01, 2025 11:08 AM (LHPAg) Posted by: ....Swordfish at August 01, 2025 11:08 AM (G5+As) 26
Is the EPA still controlling "waters of US" to include rain runoff into puddles? That horseshit is about as bad as this "Endangerment Finding" crap.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 01, 2025 11:09 AM (Q4IgG) 27
I think the Dems are secretly pleased that Trump is cancelling the apocalypse, because their silly policies have become an albatross around their necks. This is very similar to academia's capitulation on DEI. They'll pretend to fight both, but in their hearts, they're relieved.
https://is.gd/h1KFTT Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:09 AM (Riz8t) Posted by: Auspex at August 01, 2025 11:09 AM (Y8DZL) 29
You cannot change the 96% by changing the 4%.
96% of CO2 in caused by the Earth itself. Posted by: rhennigantx at August 01, 2025 11:09 AM (gbOdA) 30
It will be the migration of terms--BECAUSE we have a supremacy of judges--who deal in WORDS that would end America, were that possible.
It is the office of the judges that they can reinterpret what was passed under the "will of the people" to deny the will of the people. But the American style of government is about the Will of the People, NOT the interpretation of judges. This is why judges need to be slapped back into their place. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:09 AM (krQz2) 31
>>Basically, the Endangerment Finding gave unaccountable government agencies the ability to have a say over whatever they wanted, since every human activity results in the production of carbon dioxide. It never should have happened. The government should never have tried regulating a gas essential for life in the first place.”
THIS It was terrible government overreach and it's fabulous it's finally been reversed. Posted by: Lizzy at August 01, 2025 11:10 AM (GbwPZ) 32
We're all gonna die. And the market is down almost 1.5%. And everyone is unemployed. Eeeeeek.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 11:02 AM 1) Well, yeah. So? 2) Up? Down? As long as HPE gets out of the narrow range it's been trading in, my algorithmic trader makes it work for me. 3) Alas, not everyone. The agency I work for has me working two jobs at a time, now. At least the new half of my work is cooler than the old half. Posted by: Cybersmythe at August 01, 2025 11:10 AM (AnKDS) 33
Imagine what Trump could accomplish if he did his homework, wasn't driven by pure vanity, and could control his mouth.
Posted by: ... at August 01, 2025 11:10 AM (RLuzd) 34
Sadly, the real damage has already been done. Norway has already sequestered hundreds of thousands of tons of CO2 and injected it into the empty oil wells in the North Sea. The same people who believe "The Butterfly Effect" is real simultaneously lecture that removing hundreds of thousands of tons of CO2 from the natural environment is a victory for the environment.
Now let's all watch as trees across the planet die and crop yeilds drop from the lack of CO2, and the greens tell us it is climate change and industrialiation. Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at August 01, 2025 11:10 AM (m0WlR) 35
Dang, great minds.
15 The apocalypse has been canceled. I think the Dems are secretly pleased that Trump is cancelling the apocalypse, Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:11 AM (Riz8t) Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 01, 2025 11:11 AM (Vvm2m) 37
Glory! Hallelujah! And long overdue!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 01, 2025 11:11 AM (FwJ+V) 38
It is a useful indicator. Here’s why.
If a politician - whether someone at the national or local, right down to your mayor or city council critter starts mewling about a “climate crisis” or how they are going to fine-tune the Weather a hundred years from now; You know damn well they are doing fuck-all about the important things. Crime. Infrastructure. Jobs. Security, etc. Everything on the Left are Luxury Beliefs. Fairy tales. Designed and intended to distract, divide, and waste time & money. Posted by: Common Tater at August 01, 2025 11:11 AM (HmHHo) 39
Much great winning! Moar.
Tip: JD Vance on Ruthless podcast this morning. First few minutes on Sidney Sweeney and the left - hilarious. Posted by: Smellslikevictory at August 01, 2025 11:11 AM (19Jrv) 40
One can say this is a huge deal, but the world we live in, either things ARE a big deal, and everyone notices, or they aren't and basically things go on as they have.
Which one is this? Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2025 11:11 AM (dGCAG) 41
>If scotus ruled they can do this, how does the admin undo that ruling? When the Hawaiian judge blocks this he’ll actually have a reason to do so.
What the SC said is that the EPA could regulate if they determined that global warming was a threat to humans. There's a new sherrif at the EPA with a different opinion. >>The Supreme Court case Massachusetts v. EPA in 2007 authorized the EPA to regulate greenhouse gases if the agency made the determination that global warming harms human health. Posted by: JackStraw at August 01, 2025 11:11 AM (viF8m) 42
If scotus ruled they can do this, how does the admin undo that ruling?
SCOTUS ruled that - if the EPA said that CO2 was an existential threat - then, and only then, could the EPA control everything. It therefore follows that - if the EPA pulls and Emily Litella - then their power to control everything is removed. A bigger concern is that the existing SCOTUS ruling provides a mechanism for a future Democrat EPA to restore the ruling and then enact even more draconian restrictions to make up for lost time. The only way to overcome that would be for Congress to get off its collective ass and do their fucking job. So we're doomed. Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 11:12 AM (ExV1e) 43
32 We're all gonna die. And the market is down almost 1.5%. And everyone is unemployed. Eeeeeek.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 11:02 AM Yes.. True... Powell better lower interest rates STAT ! Wink, wink Posted by: It's me donna at August 01, 2025 11:12 AM (VE6XX) 44
If anything that emits carbon dioxide is a pollutant and harms human health, and the EPA is empowered to take any action to offset that:
Then all human life is a pollutant, and the EPA is empowered to remove the threat of humans upon human health. Posted by: Thomans Paine at August 01, 2025 11:12 AM (Vfq+S) 45
> I think the Dems are secretly pleased that Trump is cancelling the apocalypse, because their silly policies have become an albatross around their necks. This is very similar to academia's capitulation on DEI. They'll pretend to fight both, but in their hearts, they're relieved.
----------- They'll reinstitute it, all of it, enhanced, once they regain the levers of power. Because it's all about control over the public. And those policies are a mechanism to force obedience. Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 01, 2025 11:12 AM (Q4IgG) 46
I need to find a fake, existential threat to humanity that I can use to bilk governments out of billions of dollars. Just for fun and profit.
Endangered temperate area penguins. Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2025 11:12 AM (t7hQH) 47
Just buy the spent Norwegian leases and vent it crack to the atmosphere! Or better sell bottled CO2!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 01, 2025 11:13 AM (FwJ+V) 48
Ooopsie
June jobs numbers revised First reported by Trump at 140000 Now new numbers issued at 14000 Ace was happy to give handies to the horde with the good job news Oh and May???? Yeah just as bad Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at August 01, 2025 11:13 AM (qPFap) 49
Not one climate activist can honestly tell you what the non-man , natural levels of the earth’s atmosphere or temperature should be. They can’t because the historic pre-industrial range is wide and varied.
Posted by: polynikes at August 01, 2025 11:13 AM (VofaG) 50
1977 Exxon closed door meeting that laid out the probable harms of C02.."
Those scheming bastards Posted by: Pouge 100 MPG Secret carburetor at August 01, 2025 11:13 AM (tubbA) 51
None of this is my fault. To stop global freezing to death in the 70's and the ozone layer thinning... I did not use hairspray at all on my hippie hair. I also did not use spray air freshners or deodorants, altho I did and do wear Secret. I was not one of those hippies with arm pit hair or BO. This should have helped, as I did make an effort for the future.
Regarding the EPA and DDT: I was known to frequently ride my bike (on the sidewalk!) weekly in the clouds of poison. It was awesome! My mother's only rule was to stay on the sidewalk. This was as much of a summer event for us as the ice cream truck when we lived in town, altho I don't recall them both at the same time...which would have blown my mind in the joys of summer! I am still here. Sadly, mosquitoes still like me. One would think an entire generation of us DDT bike riders would drop dead simultaneously, leading to a new mystery virus pandemic. So far, so good! Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at August 01, 2025 11:13 AM (6PCLE) 52
You cannot change the 96% by changing the 4%.
96% of CO2 in caused by the Earth itself. Then why has atmospheric CO2 by 50% in the last 200 years? That is not to say it's causing global warming. Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:13 AM (Riz8t) 53
Monthly employment numbers are worthless in a country of 330 M and $30 T GDP.
You are sampling 1 12th of the marketplace at the most and your are more likely sampling 1 24th or 1 36th of what is happening in the real world. Posted by: rhennigantx at August 01, 2025 11:13 AM (gbOdA) 54
Great! Now it would be great if Zeldin amped up his efforts on a true endangerment: Mexican pollution of California waters. Their damn Tijuana sewage has closed San Diego beaches and caused the Navy to relocate some parts of SEAL training ffs. Zeldin has spoken previously on this. I look forward to Trump getting on these other border infiltrators. Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 01, 2025 11:13 AM (zCv9W) 55
@29
>>You cannot change the 96% by changing the 4%. 96% of CO2 in caused by the Earth itself. First, atmospheric concentrations of C02 are 0.04% Second, human derived sources are a rounding error. Third, Earth is a self contained system and all of the CO2 that could potentially be released to the atmosphere is bound up through the Carbon Cycle. What gets released is quickly recaptured. Or alternatively.... Anthropogenic climate change is complete and utter bullsh*t. Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 01, 2025 11:14 AM (XV/Pl) 56
Imagine what Trump could accomplish if he did his homework, wasn't driven by pure vanity, and could control his mouth.
Posted by: ... at August 01, 2025 11:10 AM (RLuzd) And surrounded by snakes and rogues in his administration. Don't forget that. Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2025 11:14 AM (dGCAG) Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 01, 2025 11:14 AM (Vvm2m) 58
I just came in from outside and I'm covered with carbon dioxide, can I wash that off or do I have to burn it off?
Posted by: Eromero at August 01, 2025 11:08 AM (LHPAg) I believe that the only verified safe manner of CO2 removal is to have a team of nubile blondes manually remove it. Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 11:14 AM (ExV1e) Posted by: Bug eyed box wine Karen at August 01, 2025 11:14 AM (6Alh9) 60
44 If anything that emits carbon dioxide is a pollutant and harms human health, and the EPA is empowered to take any action to offset that:
Then all human life is a pollutant, and the EPA is empowered to remove the threat of humans upon human health. Do you mean that, carbon unit? Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 01, 2025 11:14 AM (FwJ+V) 61
A law stating that trying to bring back these EPA regulations are an impeachable offense could delay the dems when they get to set at the big char again.
Posted by: NR Pax at August 01, 2025 11:15 AM (BpO1e) 62
I just can't understand why the climatistas want to starve plants.
Posted by: She Hobbit at August 01, 2025 11:15 AM (ftFVW) 63
They'll reinstitute it, all of it, enhanced, once they regain the levers of power. Because it's all about control over the public. And those policies are a mechanism to force obedience.
Could be, but I'm inclined to think they'll hold off on that for awhile because they're looking at an electoral bloodbath caused by those same policies. Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:15 AM (Riz8t) 64
Their damn Tijuana sewage has closed San Diego beaches
- Oh no!! Anyway. Yes I know not everyone in San Diego is a leftist. But a large majority is. So fucks given: zero. Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 01, 2025 11:15 AM (Vvm2m) 65
Dow has dropped 1400 in 3 days
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at August 01, 2025 11:15 AM (qPFap) Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at August 01, 2025 11:15 AM (GYGpZ) 67
>> I need to find a fake, existential threat to humanity that I can use to bilk governments out of billions of dollars. Just for fun and profit.
Two words: Cow farts ![]() Posted by: Lizzy at August 01, 2025 11:15 AM (GbwPZ) 68
Wait... ace was giving out handies and no one told me? Geez...
Posted by: Life of Wryly at August 01, 2025 11:15 AM (ycs3a) 69
>>You cannot change the 96% by changing the 4%.
96% of CO2 in caused by the Earth itself. And a very large percentage comes from the ocean. Try regulating that. Posted by: JackStraw at August 01, 2025 11:15 AM (viF8m) 70
Massachusetts v. EPA was a totally insane -- and 100% nakedly political -- decision by the leftwing scumdumpsters on the Court. It was even worse that it looked. The Court held not only that the EPA can regulate "greenhouse gases," but that it must.
Oh and for those wondering how the (spit) state of Assachusetts had standing to sue the EPA over this? The Court found the state suffered a real harm because -- ready for this? -- global warming contributed to rising sea levels that would cost the state money to abate. Pure political insanity. The majority of the Court on the decision was a whos-who of slimy dirtbag ratfuck cocksuckers: Breyer, Ginsburg, Kennedy, Souter, and Stevens. May Satan eternally torment their crotches. Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at August 01, 2025 11:15 AM (iFTx/) 71
Just buy the spent Norwegian leases and vent it crack to the atmosphere! Or better sell bottled CO2!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit Dear Coca Cola, ... Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2025 11:15 AM (t7hQH) 72
Endangered temperate area penguins.
Posted by: rickb223 Ha! There are 14.4 million of us and we are procreating like mosquitoes! Onward and Upward! Posted by: Excelsior! On To Greenland! at August 01, 2025 11:16 AM (G5+As) Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 01, 2025 11:16 AM (FwJ+V) 74
The latest alarmist story I've seen is that the weight of the water in all the world's reservoirs has shifted the axis of the Earth's rotation.
I suspect that this, too, is complete and utter horseshit. Posted by: Bulg at August 01, 2025 11:16 AM (77rzZ) 75
I find that implausible that they were given that authority by statute, more like it springs forth from some sort of emanation and penumbra only SCOTUS can see.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 01, 2025 11:08 AM (XV/Pl) I may be mistaken, but didn't the Supreme Court just say that unelected bureaucrats cannot make rules and regulations that are not authorized by congress? One would think that more recent ruling basically overturned the earlier nonsense. Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 01, 2025 11:16 AM (2J/Lj) 76
Oh and for those wondering how the (spit) state of Assachusetts had standing to sue the EPA over this? The Court found the state suffered a real harm because -- ready for this? -- global warming contributed to rising sea levels that would cost the state money to abate.
I remember Cape Cod before it sank under the waves. Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:17 AM (Riz8t) 77
I have a theory that the left and right really diverged after 9-11.
The right wanted revenge and became aware of Islam as a threat. And their was a lot of money to be made in nation-building for those in the know. Meanwhile, the left suddenly became obsessed with 'Global Warming' and that became their existential threat. And a nice grift for those in the know. Posted by: Stateless - HAPPY NOT HOMELESS! - New Life Creation 15.7 % at August 01, 2025 11:17 AM (jvJvP) 78
Bone-in-the-nose medicine men and shamans have more scientific rigor than the so-called environment experts.
Posted by: Probably believe in manifesting too at August 01, 2025 11:17 AM (HXAcV) 79
I have come to the conclusion that there are no actual, tested and replicable experiments that prove there is a "greenhouse" effect.
It's all fake and gay "computer models." A fugazi. A fake. A wil-o-wisp. It doesn't exist. It isn't real. The closest any of these kooks ever come to a real-world test is ... Venus. And they lie their asses off over that, deceiving that the intense heat on that planet is caused by a "greenhouse" effect. And not the fact that it is much closer to the Sun and the "day" is near a year long--even the Earth, at its current position, would be cooked to a crisp if one side faced the Sun for that long! An illiterate camel herder in ancient Mesopotamia guessing the thunder is caused by Jinn throwing rocks into the ether is as a legitimate of a hypothesis as the "greenhouse effect." Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 01, 2025 11:17 AM (lDIPK) 80
Couldn't you argue that no Cabinet Fiat is law until it gains a 2/3 majority of the States? Forget the House and Senate, they are all on the make. The States should have final approval of dipshit Supremes.
Posted by: pudinhead at August 01, 2025 11:18 AM (W3T6M) 81
I just can't understand why the climatistas want to starve plants."
Plants live just fine on electrolytes. Or something. Posted by: man at August 01, 2025 11:18 AM (tubbA) 82
The latest alarmist story I've seen is that the weight of the water in all the world's reservoirs has shifted the axis of the Earth's rotation.
There have been similar claims for when Lake Missoula emptied in a matter of days. Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:18 AM (Riz8t) 83
“Those scheming bastards”
Considering what Exxon, Shell and other companies feared, based upon documentation from the 1970’s, 80’s, early-90’s that is readily available on the interwebs.. they’re probably congratulating themselves that the late-80’s shift to paid denial worked. Cigars for everyone! In a way, it all likely doesn’t matter all that much.. if China coal imports continue to fall off an absolute cliff at the rates they currently are, the “green new scam” will be pushed as an arms race sooner or later. Posted by: The Letter J at August 01, 2025 11:18 AM (Z/h4+) 84
The greenhouse gas with the largest effect is water vapor. Do you want to outlaw that?!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 01, 2025 11:18 AM (FwJ+V) 85
Then why has atmospheric CO2 by 50% in the last 200 years? That is not to say it's causing global warming.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:13 AM (Riz8t) The first reproducibly accurate measurements of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) began in 1958 at the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii, where continuous monitoring has been conducted since then. Also there is ZERO science that says X PPM of CO2 is warmer (or collects more heat) Y PPM. Posted by: rhennigantx at August 01, 2025 11:18 AM (gbOdA) 86
Oh and for those wondering how the (spit) state of Assachusetts had standing to sue the EPA over this? The Court found the state suffered a real harm because -- ready for this? -- global warming contributed to rising sea levels that would cost the state money to abate.
I remember Cape Cod before it sank under the waves. Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:17 AM (Riz8t) _____ [Nodding sagaciously] -- Atlanteans Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at August 01, 2025 11:18 AM (iFTx/) Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at August 01, 2025 11:18 AM (qPFap) 88
21 It’s amazing how full circle it’s all come from the 1977 Exxon closed door meeting that laid out the probable harms of C02..
Posted by: The Letter J at August 01, 2025 11:08 AM (Z/h4+) FYI, Troll, your "letter" is a hit piece from the totally politicized unscientific unamerican back in 2015 or so, and everyone who was actually involved says that is a combination of gross mischaracterizations and outright lies. So go peddle it elsewhere. Posted by: Tom Servo at August 01, 2025 11:18 AM (uWKK8) 89
65 Dow has dropped 1400 in 3 days
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at August 01, 2025 11:15 AM (qPFap) Now do YTD for Nasdaq and s&p500. Besides isn’t stock market just a tool for evil Billionaires to oppress the workers? You should be happy. Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 01, 2025 11:19 AM (Vvm2m) 90
I believe that the only verified safe manner of CO2 removal is to have a team of nubile blondes manually remove it.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 11:14 AM (ExV1e) Find those on Amazon, do you? Posted by: Eromero at August 01, 2025 11:19 AM (LHPAg) 91
You cannot change the 96% by changing the 4%.
96% of CO2 in caused by the Earth itself. - The same bitch that caused the earthquake and tsunami?!!! Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Something Smells Funny In Here at August 01, 2025 11:19 AM (L/fGl) 92
>> I just can't understand why the climatistas want to starve plants.
They want to save the whales, but kill them indiscriminately with offshore windmills. They want to save the spotted owls (and all birds), but mass slaughter them with windmills. They want to save the children by killing them in the womb, or sterilizing them if they manage to be born. Pretty much a rule of thumb that they lie about who or what they care about: the only want power. Posted by: Lizzy at August 01, 2025 11:19 AM (GbwPZ) 93
Sydney Sweeney's boobs are causing climate change!!!
-- Commenters at DU, probably Posted by: Bulg at August 01, 2025 11:19 AM (77rzZ) 94
When will they mandate Mando for all males?
Posted by: pudinhead at August 01, 2025 11:19 AM (W3T6M) 95
Norwegians are going to sequester ALL the CO2, then sell it back to you at exorbitant prices.
Posted by: King Harald at August 01, 2025 11:19 AM (G5+As) 96
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 01, 2025 11:19 AM (Vvm2m)
Don't respond to the gnat.. maybe it will go away Posted by: It's me donna at August 01, 2025 11:20 AM (VE6XX) 97
The only way to overcome that would be for Congress to get off its collective ass and do their fucking job.
= = LOL as if. Posted by: Congress at August 01, 2025 11:20 AM (m0WlR) 98
Also there is ZERO science that says X PPM of CO2 is warmer (or collects more heat) Y PPM.
As I said, That is not to say it's causing global warming. Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:20 AM (Riz8t) 99
I may be mistaken, but didn't the Supreme Court just say that unelected bureaucrats cannot make rules and regulations that are not authorized by congress?
One would think that more recent ruling basically overturned the earlier nonsense. Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 01, 2025 11:16 AM (2J/Lj) We live in a Make-It-Up-As-We-Go era, when it comes to "the law." Which is why I find it comical when people proclaim they know what a court is going to rule on something. You don't know, unless you bought the judge. And most judges are already bought by someone else. Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2025 11:20 AM (dGCAG) 100
Bone-in-the-nose medicine men and shamans have more scientific rigor than the so-called environment experts.
Posted by: Probably believe in manifesting too at August 01, 2025 11:17 AM (HXAcV) --- If they get to control it all because of a threat, what incentive do they have to reconsider the threat? This is what the idiots in 2007 missed--or probably didn't care about. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:20 AM (krQz2) 101
Wait... ace was giving out handies and no one told me? Geez...
Posted by: Life of Wryly at August 01, 2025 11:15 AM (ycs3a) I know right? You take one day break from here and miss all the fun stuff. Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 01, 2025 11:20 AM (Vvm2m) 102
>>I remember Cape Cod before it sank under the waves.
My old place in MA is on Cape Cod Bay. It's been there for over 150 years. The high tide mark hasn't changed at all. Posted by: JackStraw at August 01, 2025 11:21 AM (viF8m) 103
Oh and for those wondering how the (spit) state of Assachusetts had standing to sue the EPA over this? The Court found the state suffered a real harm because -- ready for this? -- global warming contributed to rising sea levels that would cost the state money to abate.
EPA calls Barack Obama and the bank loan officer to the stand and asks what scam are they running to loan millions of dollars on property that's soon to be under water. Oh, wait... Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2025 11:21 AM (t7hQH) 104
The only way to overcome that would be for Congress to get off its collective ass and do their fucking job.
= = LOL as if. Posted by: Congress at August 01, 2025 11:20 AM (m0WlR) Go ahead and take another vacay, fellas. You've earned it. Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2025 11:21 AM (dGCAG) 105
You cannot change the 96% by changing the 4%.
96% of CO2 in caused by the Earth itself. Posted by: rhennigantx at August 01, 2025 11:09 AM (gbOdA) Brothers and Sisters, I read from The Book of the Apocalypse: 1. And, Lo, Gaia spake and said, "I can handle naturally occurring CO2 but even a single molecule more will shift my balance and cause me to erupt in flame." 2. And the people spake and said, "But what about when there's a volcano eruption which, in a single day, spews out ten times the CO2 that humans produce in a year?" 3. And Gaia spake and said, "What part of 'naturally occurring CO2' do you not understand? I can handle an unlimited amount as long as it's naturally occurring - or produced by the elite - but you should probably just die." This ends our reading. Now for the sermon "Why people who aren't from this country deserve all your stuff." Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 11:21 AM (ExV1e) 106
You don't know, unless you bought the judge. And most judges are already bought by someone else.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2025 11:20 AM (dGCAG) --- Which is why judges need to be slapped way back. It's the consent of the governed, not judges. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:21 AM (krQz2) 107
At NYP: "Octopus attacks 6-year-old boy at Texas aquarium"
Trigger warning for photo of boy's profusely hickeyed forearm. Posted by: Lithiated gp For Healthful Glow at August 01, 2025 11:21 AM (klf3J) 108
82 The latest alarmist story I've seen is that the weight of the water in all the world's reservoirs has shifted the axis of the Earth's rotation.
There have been similar claims for when Lake Missoula emptied in a matter of days. Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:18 AM (Riz8t) The idiocy behind such a claim is that the weight of all the water in all of the world's reservoirs is maybe 1/10,000th of the weight of the earth itself. It's like saying you became off balance because a piece of lint fell off of your shoulder. Posted by: Tom Servo at August 01, 2025 11:21 AM (uWKK8) 109
awesome news but I don't see how it ends uncertainty for auto makers et al. Seems likely that the next time the U.S. is foolish enough to elect a commiecrat they will re-enact this 'endangerment clause'
Posted by: PaleRider at August 01, 2025 11:22 AM (bP/i4) 110
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 01, 2025 11:19 AM (Vvm2m)
Retard is happy because it thinks it damages America and nothing makes them happier. Posted by: polynikes at August 01, 2025 11:22 AM (VofaG) Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 01, 2025 11:22 AM (FwJ+V) 112
The whole point is to strangle any economic activity. They destroyed the Timber industry. Mining. Coal, natural gas, and petroleum under unprecedented attack. Electricity. Energy. Food production. “Environmental Impact Statements” can shut down construction due to “endangered” cockroaches. Note well there are no studies required when thousands of good careers are ruined, pipeline workers, coal miners. “Learn to code” they say. “Snail Darters”
Everything designed as “four legs good, two legs bad”. Elevating insects above humans. Or bait fish. California: Sorry about your house, Dude. Noticing a pattern here? They are anti-human. Everything flows from this. It has infected everything - even the Churches. Posted by: Common Tater at August 01, 2025 11:22 AM (HmHHo) 113
The only way to overcome that would be for Congress to get off its collective ass and do their fucking job.
= = LOL as if. Posted by: Congress at August 01, 2025 11:20 AM (m0WlR) Go ahead and take another vacay, fellas. You've earned it. Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2025 11:21 AM (dGCAG) --- I should be in Congress right now, doing my job. Posted by: Eric Swalwell at August 01, 2025 11:22 AM (krQz2) Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 01, 2025 11:23 AM (63Dwl) 115
Then why has atmospheric CO2 by 50% in the last 200 years? That is not to say it's causing global warming.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:13 AM (Riz8t) Who knows how fast these things go? If you have water with two parts per billion of something and one part per billion gets added, it's a 50% increase. Would anyone notice or care? Also they fudge temperatures and release viruses, how do we know they're not fudging the atmosphere estimations? Posted by: ... at August 01, 2025 11:23 AM (RLuzd) 116
Impossible to imagine Jeb Bush or Nikki Haley taking on the EPA in thismanner
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 01, 2025 11:23 AM (6R+6q) 117
Thx Buck. Always get a kick out of the response to question " what is the global temperature supposed to be ?". The usual responses are "that's not relevant " or " climate denier". Nothing they say adds up , but the simps suck it up
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 01, 2025 11:24 AM (j1Y/l) 118
You cannot change the 96% by changing the 4%.
96% of CO2 in caused by the Earth itself. - The same bitch that caused the earthquake and tsunami?!!! Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Something Smells Funny In Here at August 01, 2025 11:19 AM (L/fGl) Mother Nature is aptly named, since only a mother can be that cruel, capricious, unpredictable and destructive. Posted by: Da Erf is not a warm fuzzy place at August 01, 2025 11:24 AM (HXAcV) 119
The first reproducibly accurate measurements of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) began in 1958 at the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii, where continuous monitoring has been conducted since then.
Fine, let's exclude all measurements before 1958, the year you cite. In 1958, Mauna Loa measured atmospheric CO2 at 315 ppm. It's now about 420 ppm. We do our side no favors by simply ignoring things we don't like. Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:24 AM (Riz8t) 120
Fudge has too many carbs.
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 01, 2025 11:24 AM (9RJQx) 121
Norwegians are going to sequester ALL the CO2, "
No one seemed to notice, after all the media fluffing, that the aforementioned CO2 pumpers admitted that they "overstated" the volume of "captured" carbon dioxide... Funny, that. Posted by: man at August 01, 2025 11:25 AM (tubbA) 122
Impossible to imagine Jeb Bush or Nikki Haley taking on the EPA in thismanner
John McCain would have done it, but they would have shot him down. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 01, 2025 11:25 AM (muwun) 123
I just can't understand why the climatistas want to starve plants.
Posted by: She Hobbit It isn't the plants that they want to kill. Posted by: Thomans Paine at August 01, 2025 11:25 AM (Vfq+S) 124
My old place in MA is on Cape Cod Bay. It's been there for over 150 years. The high tide mark hasn't changed at all.
Posted by: JackStraw Only because the Gorton's fisherman removed zillions of fish. Not to mention the lob-stuhs. Posted by: Michell Robinson Obama at August 01, 2025 11:25 AM (G5+As) 125
I may be mistaken, but didn't the Supreme Court just say that unelected bureaucrats cannot make rules and regulations that are not authorized by congress?
One would think that more recent ruling basically overturned the earlier nonsense. Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 01, 2025 11:16 AM (2J/Lj) That was one of the planks that Vivek R ran on, and one of his demands from Trump for his support; it is an obligation for the government to withdraw or remove rules and regulations that have been made unconstitutional by the USSC decisions. You can hate on Vivek all you want, but this is the one thing he did to change the future. I will always be willing to scatter some turmeric to his parents in honor for that alone. Posted by: Kindltot at August 01, 2025 11:25 AM (rbvCR) 126
I should be in Congress right now, doing my job.
Posted by: Eric Swalwell at August 01, 2025 11:22 AM (krQz2) Isn't your job being elbow deep in China spy puthy? Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2025 11:25 AM (dGCAG) 127
Rising CO2 gases.
Explain how the Earf's higher CO2 levels in previous eons gave rise to all of the coal seams. And since that was in dino era levels, what caused it and why was that a good thing thrn? Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2025 11:26 AM (t7hQH) 128
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You can literally google “1979 Exxon co2 document” It’s right there. Idk how relaying actual documents, that actually exist and are readily available is trolling? Posted by: The Letter J at August 01, 2025 11:26 AM (Z/h4+) 129
Everything designed as “four legs good, two legs bad”. Elevating insects above humans. Or bait fish.
That would be six legs and no legs good, too! Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 01, 2025 11:26 AM (FwJ+V) 130
Face it, you have "experts" in the EPA and the "experts" in Law are enabling them to take governance away from "non-experts".
I've watched this coming for decades now. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:26 AM (krQz2) 131
If we eat the cows they will stop producing methane.
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 01, 2025 11:26 AM (9RJQx) 132
Not one climate activist can honestly tell you what the non-man , natural levels of the earth’s atmosphere or temperature should be.
To the best of my knowledge, not one climate activist have ever killed themselves to stop adding their personal CO2 to the atmosphere. Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 11:26 AM (ExV1e) 133
My old place in MA is on Cape Cod Bay. It's been there for over 150 years. The high tide mark hasn't changed at all.
------------------ Ice suspended in water is frozen water. Should it melt there will be no change in sea level. You'd have to melt a shit ton of ice on land to increase sea level. So far, ice on Antarctica hasn't melted. Get this, Antarctica ice is growing not melting. Posted by: pudinhead at August 01, 2025 11:26 AM (W3T6M) 134
My old place in MA is on Cape Cod Bay. It's been there for over 150 years. The high tide mark hasn't changed at all.
Posted by: JackStraw Only because the Gorton's fisherman removed zillions of fish. Not to mention the lob-stuhs. Yes, but that was offset by the recovery of the whale population. Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:27 AM (Riz8t) 135
I just can't understand why the climatistas want to starve plants.
Posted by: She Hobbit It isn't the plants that they want to kill. Posted by: Thomans Paine Best way to eliminate vegans. Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2025 11:27 AM (t7hQH) 136
My old place in MA is on Cape Cod Bay. It's been there for over 150 years. The high tide mark hasn't changed at all.
One of the forms of "hate speech" that the British government is cracking down on is claiming that sea levels are not changing and posting pictures demonstrating that. Be careful, bigot. Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 01, 2025 11:28 AM (xTIDn) 137
Climate Activists should embrace self immolation.
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 01, 2025 11:28 AM (9RJQx) 138
Ice suspended in water is frozen water. Should it melt there will be no change in sea level. You'd have to melt a shit ton of ice on land to increase sea level. So far, ice on Antarctica hasn't melted. Get this, Antarctica ice is growing not melting.
Posted by: pudinhead at August 01, 2025 11:26 AM (W3T6M) --- Actually, water takes up more volume as ice. It's one of those individual properties of dihydrogen monoxide. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:28 AM (krQz2) Posted by: Thomans Paine at August 01, 2025 11:28 AM (Vfq+S) 140
Great discussion about the Earth's carbon cycle and who's killing who:
https://tinyurl.com/2vw5tz9m Posted by: pawn at August 01, 2025 11:28 AM (QB+5g) 141
Fine, let's exclude all measurements before 1958, the year you cite. In 1958, Mauna Loa measured atmospheric CO2 at 315 ppm. It's now about 420 ppm. We do our side no favors by simply ignoring things we don't like.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:24 AM (Riz8t) Do you want to discuss Siberian dendrochronology too? Posted by: Kindltot at August 01, 2025 11:28 AM (rbvCR) 142
But it’s not simply a trace gas. It’s absolutely necessary for photosynthesis and it seems we’re living in a time of CO2 shortages. The “Greens” with their CO2 obsession are trying to kill life itself.
In a greenhouse, if CO2 is raised to 800 ppm, plant production doubles. That’s over twice the level that is allegedly setting the earth on fire and killing us. And what do plants do with CO2? They sequester it. What we really need is more CO2 so plants can sequester it. Posted by: Rosco at August 01, 2025 11:29 AM (80O8I) 143
One of the forms of "hate speech" that the British government is cracking down on is claiming that sea levels are not changing and posting pictures demonstrating that.
Be careful, bigot. The British government has really gone bugf*** nuts. Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:29 AM (Riz8t) 144
Yes, but that was offset by the recovery of the whale population.
You want to lower the ocean level? Take all those fat whales out of it. Problem solved. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 01, 2025 11:29 AM (muwun) 145
Well if someone said something was "probable" in a meeting in 1977, that's worth basing an entire destruction of civilization on.
Hey how many predictions from the closed door meeting have manifested in reality? How many from an inconvenient troofs. Still zero? Yep. Zero. Posted by: ... at August 01, 2025 11:29 AM (RLuzd) 146
The lower density is why ice floats.
Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:29 AM (krQz2) 147
Again, the earth is a closed system, the vast overwhelming majority of CO2 is bound up, it is an atmospheric trace gas, the reason why they use PPM instead of pct is because 400ppm is scarier than saying 0.03989xxx.
They don't attempt to answer or quantify so-called, "Background Climate Change," ie, absent humans, what would be different in their models. I'm sick and tired of listening to this bullsh*t for f**king decades. Anthropogenic climate change is not real. The climate has been changing for 4.5B years. Fun Fact: The only time the climate on the earth will stop changing is on or about the heat death of the universe in a couple of quadrillion years. Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 01, 2025 11:29 AM (XV/Pl) 148
The NASDAQ has dropped to levels not seen since two weeks ago!
Posted by: toby928 at August 01, 2025 11:29 AM (jc0TO) 149
If we eat the cows they will stop producing methane.
Posted by: Boss Moss But then we take on the cow's methane obligations. I'm good with that though. Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2025 11:30 AM (t7hQH) 150
Stocks are on sale?
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 01, 2025 11:30 AM (9RJQx) 151
Earth’s rising CO2 levels, as monitored at Mauna Kea, are mostly due to Earth warming up from the Little Ice Age. As Earth warms, the oceans outgass CO2, just like your fizzy drink does as it warms up.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 01, 2025 11:30 AM (FwJ+V) 152
> The latest alarmist story I've seen is that the weight of the water in all the world's reservoirs has shifted the axis of the Earth's rotation.
--------- Supposedly the Chinese 3 Gorges Dam does/did. With all the water it's holding back. For now. Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 01, 2025 11:30 AM (Q4IgG) 153
The British government has really gone bugf*** nuts.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:29 AM (Riz8t) --- It's just the cooperative fascist model moving to the compulsory inevitability. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:30 AM (krQz2) 154
Fine, let's exclude all measurements before 1958, the year you cite. In 1958, Mauna Loa measured atmospheric CO2 at 315 ppm. It's now about 420 ppm. We do our side no favors by simply ignoring things we don't like.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:24 AM (Riz8t) Except that there is no demonstrated real world correlation (see below) between CO2 levels and temperature at all - best guess from deep time models is that it is a lagging indicator, not a leading one, stemming from the interactions with the sea. So that would mean that CO2 is continuing to rise slightly as the Earth continues to move out of the Little Ice Age of about 1600 - 1800; and it also means that this number is trivial and has no predictive value whatsoever. * when I say there is no demonstrated real world correlation, I mean that all the "studies" claiming that there is are computer projections. There are no actual temperature data studies that show such a thing. Posted by: Tom Servo at August 01, 2025 11:30 AM (uWKK8) 155
and I'm cashing in on it. Up 4.05% today.
Posted by: toby928 at August 01, 2025 11:30 AM (jc0TO) 156
Geez! You shoot a couple of people and, all of a sudden, you're denied justice!
New Mexico Judge Dismisses Alec Baldwin’s “Malicious” Prosecution Suit in Deadly “Rust” Case Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Something Smells Funny In Here at August 01, 2025 11:31 AM (L/fGl) 157
I haven't seen a panic in the stock market like this since April.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 01, 2025 11:31 AM (muwun) 158
One of the forms of "hate speech" that the British government is cracking down on is claiming that sea levels are not changing and posting pictures demonstrating that.
My apologies - it is the Australian government. E Safety Commisar issues a new directive “Images showing no changes in sea levels over the last 50 years are now banned and will be considered hate speech “ Press ❤️ if you had enough of Albo and corrupt Labor Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 01, 2025 11:31 AM (xTIDn) 159
It isn't the plants that they want to kill.
Posted by: Thomans Paine Yes, yes, we are the carbon they want to eliminate. Posted by: She Hobbit at August 01, 2025 11:31 AM (ftFVW) 160
Actually, water takes up more volume as ice.
It's one of those individual properties of dihydrogen monoxide. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:28 AM (krQz2) Hmm. That is a good point. Ice is less dense than water, in that it displaces less than its own volume since it floats. I wonder, does the part that rises out of the water offset the increased volume? Posted by: Kindltot at August 01, 2025 11:31 AM (rbvCR) 161
Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:24 AM (Riz8t)
No one said CO2 hasn’t risen . Right now the level is close to effecting plant growth relatively speaking. What do you say the natural rate should be? Posted by: polynikes at August 01, 2025 11:31 AM (VofaG) Posted by: pudinhead at August 01, 2025 11:31 AM (W3T6M) 163
My favorite was David Attenborough sobbing about all the destruction from global warming and showing video of himself from 60 years ago in black and white standing in the same place on a small island with practically nothing changed including the "sea level". Hysterical.
You'd think they could have found a video where something had actually changed. Posted by: ... at August 01, 2025 11:31 AM (RLuzd) 164
The NASDAQ has dropped to levels not seen since two weeks ago!
Posted by: toby928 at August 01, 2025 11:29 AM (jc0TO) --- OH NO! The market is RESTING!! Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:31 AM (krQz2) 165
I read something interesting. If the Sahara were greened, the Amazon rainforest would die. The rainforest depends on nutrients from Sahara dust carried over the ocean on the Jetstream.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 01, 2025 11:31 AM (6R+6q) 166
Between 1827 and 1829, Nicolas de Saussure conducted no less than 225 attempts to measure atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations in the vicinity of Geneva. As these results are the most precise measurements undertaken so far, its results shall be listed in the following
In the village of Chambésy [north of Geneva]…on a dry, spacious meadow with loam soil some 16m above Lake Geneva [i.e., about 388m above sea level], the average carbon dioxide levels of the air deriving from 104 measurements taken 4 feet above the ground and at all day- and night-times = 4.15 [units per unit of] vol. per 10,000 [units per unit of] vol. air. Max. = 5.74, min. = 3.15. Separation of daytime from nighttime measurements revealed that carbon dioxide levels are lower during the day than at night. Daytime mean = 3.38, max. = 5.4, min. 3.15; nighttime mean = 4.32, max. = 5.74, min. = 3.21. Furthermore, around noon, [carbon dioxide] concentration was observed to be lower when the wind was not blowing strongly, as opposed to stronger winds; in the case of the former, the average [carbon dioxide concentration] was = 3.76, in the case of the latter, the average was = 3.98. Posted by: rhennigantx at August 01, 2025 11:31 AM (gbOdA) 167
Except that there is no demonstrated real world correlation (see below) between CO2 levels and temperature at all - best guess from deep time models is that it is a lagging indicator, not a leading one, stemming from the interactions with the sea. So that would mean that CO2 is continuing to rise slightly as the Earth continues to move out of the Little Ice Age of about 1600 - 1800; and it also means that this number is trivial and has no predictive value whatsoever.
* when I say there is no demonstrated real world correlation, I mean that all the "studies" claiming that there is are computer projections. There are no actual temperature data studies that show such a thing. *sighs* See my #98. Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:32 AM (Riz8t) 168
Face it, you have "experts" in the EPA and the "experts" in Law are enabling them to take governance away from "non-experts".
I've watched this coming for decades now. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:26 AM (krQz2) The world has gone quite haywire due to letting "experts" tell us what to do all the time. Once upon a time, the french had this idea that you could chop off some heads, and the world would be a better place. It didn't quite work out that way, but I think they had the right idea in mind, just the wrong execution of it. Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2025 11:32 AM (dGCAG) 169
Yes, but that was offset by the recovery of the whale population.
You want to lower the ocean level? Take all those fat whales out of it. Problem solved. Posted by: Cicero No liberal AWFLs beach vacations. Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2025 11:32 AM (t7hQH) 170
Ice suspended in water is frozen water. Should it melt there will be no change in sea level. You'd have to melt a shit ton of ice on land to increase sea level. So far, ice on Antarctica hasn't melted. Get this, Antarctica ice is growing not melting.
Posted by: pudinhead Not only that, but if somehow the antarctic ice cap were to melt, the hundreds of billions of tons of ice being removed from the continent would cause the landmass to rise, offsetting the increase in oceanic water. Posted by: Thomans Paine at August 01, 2025 11:32 AM (Vfq+S) 171
There are no actual temperature data studies that show such a thing.
Posted by: Tom Servo Actual data is racist! Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Something Smells Funny In Here at August 01, 2025 11:32 AM (L/fGl) Posted by: man at August 01, 2025 11:32 AM (tubbA) 173
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‘ Didn’t Al Gore’s movie say Florida would be under water by 2020?’ Someone should put together a video montage of all the places AlGore said would be under water and the year he claimed. It would be educational. Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 01, 2025 11:32 AM (jbnUc) 174
simple images of the past through complex modelling of incomplete records deposited through multiple geological processes.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 01, 2025 11:32 AM (rbvCR) 175
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Posted by: Kindltot at August 01, 2025 11:33 AM (rbvCR) 176
If scotus ruled they can do this, how does the admin undo that ruling? When the Hawaiian judge blocks this he’ll actually have a reason to do so.
-- IDK. All I can tell is, by proposing the change, and going through the rule-making procedure and the comment period, they are building this to survive any enviro group lawsuit. Which they'll bring anyway. But--longshot--it may result in the 2007 ruling being over-turned. Realistically, the only permanence is 1) a change in the law or 2) , Vance through '32 and Rubio through '40; the whole cult will have withered and died by then Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 01, 2025 11:33 AM (lDIPK) 177
If the Sun were to become a red giant in a few billion years and engulf the Earth, that would put paid to climate change on Earth, I think!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 01, 2025 11:33 AM (FwJ+V) 178
The lower density is why ice floats.
------------- Now explain why shit floats. Posted by: pudinhead at August 01, 2025 11:31 AM (W3T6M) It's supposed to float? Uh oh. Next you'll tell me it's not supposed to be purple. Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2025 11:33 AM (dGCAG) 179
If we had some way to warm the planet another 2 degrees C, I would be willing to pay for taxes for it.
Posted by: toby928 at August 01, 2025 11:33 AM (jc0TO) 180
Once upon a time, the french had this idea that you could chop off some heads, and the world would be a better place. It didn't quite work out that way, but I think they had the right idea in mind, just the wrong execution of it.
Posted by: BurtTC Once they cut off the head of Robespierre, things started to get better. Posted by: Thomans Paine at August 01, 2025 11:33 AM (Vfq+S) 181
3.98/10,000
39.8/100,000 398/1,000,000 So around 200 years ago CO2 could be measure at near 400 ppm. Posted by: rhennigantx at August 01, 2025 11:33 AM (gbOdA) 182
74 The latest alarmist story I've seen is that the weight of the water in all the world's reservoirs has shifted the axis of the Earth's rotation.
-- I wish the alarmists would move on to something that truly is alarming (to me at least): that all of the wind farms removing wind energy from the atmosphere is changing weather patterns. Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at August 01, 2025 11:34 AM (0bjKf) 183
Hmm. That is a good point. Ice is less dense than water, in that it displaces less than its own volume since it floats. I wonder, does the part that rises out of the water offset the increased volume?
Posted by: Kindltot at August 01, 2025 11:31 AM (rbvCR) --- I was pondering that. But, on the other hand, take an iceberg. As they say 90% of that is underwater. As it probably doesn't expand by 10%, probably having the whole thing melted at sea-level will expand the volume of water a bit. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:34 AM (krQz2) 184
Find those on Amazon, do you?
Posted by: Eromero at August 01, 2025 11:19 AM (LHPAg) My wife doesn't let me enter those search terms. Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 11:34 AM (ExV1e) 185
I think Trump came to an agreement with Mexico this week on the sewage issue i didn't read the details you might check Truth Social
Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 01, 2025 11:34 AM (TEi+a) 186
Water vapor is much more powerful "greenhouse gas" than CO2 yet curiously the alarmist don't say much about it.
Posted by: ... at August 01, 2025 11:35 AM (RLuzd) 187
I know there has been major damage from the weight of all the water the media has carried for the Dems.
Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:35 AM (krQz2) 188
Sadly, the real damage has already been done. Norway has already sequestered hundreds of thousands of tons of CO2 and injected it into the empty oil wells in the North Sea. The same people who believe "The Butterfly Effect" is real simultaneously lecture that removing hundreds of thousands of tons of CO2 from the natural environment is a victory for the environment.
Now let's all watch as trees across the planet die and crop yeilds drop from the lack of CO2, and the greens tell us it is climate change and industrialiation. Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at August 01, 2025 11:10 --- Sounds about right. Posted by: Darth Randall at August 01, 2025 11:35 AM (f1kZG) 189
During the Jurassic Period, it is estimated that CO2 levels were about 2000 ppm, average temperatures were about 9 degrees warmer than now, there were no ice caps, and the Earth's biosphere (sum total of all life on the planet) was at least twice the total mass than it is today.
The more CO2, and the higher the temperature (although I said above, I believe it is a lagging indicator) the better Life itself does. Posted by: Tom Servo at August 01, 2025 11:35 AM (uWKK8) 190
The wind farms are speeding continental drift.
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 01, 2025 11:35 AM (9RJQx) 191
My apologies - it is the Australian government.
The rest of the Anglosphere seems hell-bent on transforming themselves into a high-tech version of East Germany. Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 01, 2025 11:35 AM (xTIDn) 192
Ice floats, of course it’s less dense than the water it’s floating in!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 01, 2025 11:35 AM (FwJ+V) 193
145 Exxon’s scientists from the 1970’s/1980’s before they changed tact actually had amazing prediction accuracy. Greater than NASA and other orgs by a scientifically WIDE margin. Once again, another thing you can readily find from a simple google search..
“how accurate were exxon's climate scientists” O&G did then and continue to have some of the greatest minds in the world working for them Posted by: The Letter J at August 01, 2025 11:35 AM (Z/h4+) 194
The thing that caught my eye about the Jackson Browne sidebar is the odd record cover. It was from the time when people thought it was cool for the band to be on the cover staring oddly and blankly off into space.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at August 01, 2025 11:35 AM (iFTx/) 195
. I wonder, does the part that rises out of the water offset the increased volume?
Hmmm. Displacement? Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:35 AM (tubbA) 196
Ice floats, of course it’s less dense than the water it’s floating in!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 01, 2025 11:35 AM (FwJ+V) Ice is a witch !!! Posted by: polynikes at August 01, 2025 11:36 AM (VofaG) 197
You want to lower the ocean level? Take all those fat whales out of it.
Problem solved. Posted by: Cicero Forbid Lizzo and Stacy Abrams from swimming in it. Posted by: Bulg at August 01, 2025 11:36 AM (77rzZ) 198
Not only that, but if somehow the antarctic ice cap were to melt, the hundreds of billions of tons of ice being removed from the continent would cause the landmass to rise, offsetting the increase in oceanic water.
--------------- Dude, you don't want that. The Ancient Aliens living in Antarctica will be free to travel. Posted by: pudinhead at August 01, 2025 11:36 AM (W3T6M) 199
It didn't quite work out that way, but I think they had the right idea in mind, just the wrong execution of it.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2025 11:32 AM (dGCAG) Put not your faith in mortals. Posted by: ... at August 01, 2025 11:36 AM (RLuzd) 200
This is a wondrous development, bound to be overturned by a district court judge somewhere in America.
But you guys already knew this, huh. Posted by: Don Black at August 01, 2025 11:36 AM (AOsQT) 201
@Jack Straw
Cool. I am headed to our family cottage (built my grandfather from a Sears kit in the 1950's) in Brewster on Sunday. Our beach has shrunk and grown annually all my life, it always settles back to about the same width. Some years storms steal sand, some years they deposit it. Posted by: Lincolntf at August 01, 2025 11:36 AM (2cS/G) 202
I was pondering that.
But, on the other hand, take an iceberg. As they say 90% of that is underwater. As it probably doesn't expand by 10%, probably having the whole thing melted at sea-level will expand the volume of water a bit. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:34 AM (krQz2) Here is an experiment, take a quart jar, fill it half way with water, and drop a couple of ice cubes into it. Mark the water level with a sharpie and put it on the shelf with a lid on it to prevent evaporation. Come back in a couple of hours and see whether the water level has changed. Posted by: Kindltot at August 01, 2025 11:36 AM (rbvCR) 203
Not only that, but if somehow the antarctic ice cap were to melt, the hundreds of billions of tons of ice being removed from the continent would cause the landmass to rise, offsetting the increase in oceanic water.
Posted by: Thomans Paine at August 01, 2025 11:32 AM (Vfq+S) Are you saying Antarctica is basically a cork? That it'll rise with the sea level? Then what happens to Guam? Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2025 11:36 AM (dGCAG) 204
Ice ages suck anyway. The warming trend over the last ten thousand years opened up much of what is now the United States. Ice sheets over a mile thick reached as far south as Des Moines.
Canada, the upper midwest is now part of the most productive farmland in the world. None of their arguments make much sense, we are simply told to accept it, that the “time for debate is over” (though there never was any). They lie about everything. Why would this be any different? Posted by: Common Tater at August 01, 2025 11:36 AM (C72az) 205
84 The greenhouse gas with the largest effect is water vapor. Do you want to outlaw that?!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 01, 2025 11:18 AM (FwJ+V) Hmmmm. I don't know. Would this help temper the humidity in the mid-south? Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump! at August 01, 2025 11:36 AM (FMtrg) 206
10 minutes till NASA's lesbian mission misson commander is about to blast off for the ISS on the Crew 11 mission. The lesbian currently on board ISS is being releived so there is very little time for a zero g hookup. Posted by: pawn at August 01, 2025 11:36 AM (QB+5g) Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 01, 2025 11:37 AM (jbnUc) 208
Once they cut off the head of Robespierre, things started to get better.
Posted by: Thomans Paine at August 01, 2025 11:33 AM (Vfq+S) Not for ol' Roby, they didn't. Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2025 11:37 AM (dGCAG) 209
O&G did then and continue to have some of the greatest minds in the world working for them
Posted by: The Letter J at August 01, 2025 11:35 AM (Z/h4+) And the greatest minds in the world are not corruptable? Huh. Posted by: ... at August 01, 2025 11:37 AM (RLuzd) 210
No one said CO2 hasn’t risen.
Really? 29 You cannot change the 96% by changing the 4%. 96% of CO2 in caused by the Earth itself. Then answer my question as to why CO2 levels have risen. What do you say the natural rate should be? It's a bulls*** question. I never said anything about a natural rate. All I said was that it has demonstrably risen from the baseline. Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:37 AM (Riz8t) 211
Ice suspended in water is frozen water. Should it melt there will be no change in sea level. You'd have to melt a shit ton of ice on land to increase sea level. So far, ice on Antarctica hasn't melted. Get this, Antarctica ice is growing not melting.
Posted by: pudinhead And if you're ever bored, you can do an elementary school level science demonstration of a cup full to the brim of ice water and note how it doesn't overflow as the ice melts. Posted by: She Hobbit at August 01, 2025 11:37 AM (ftFVW) 212
During the Jurassic Period, it is estimated that CO2 levels were about 2000 ppm, average temperatures were about 9 degrees warmer than now, there were no ice caps, and the Earth's biosphere (sum total of all life on the planet) was at least twice the total mass than it is today.
The more CO2, and the higher the temperature (although I said above, I believe it is a lagging indicator) the better Life itself does. Posted by: Tom Servo And the animals were huge. If cow farts raise temperatures, what did brontosaurus farts do? Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2025 11:38 AM (t7hQH) 213
EPA plans to ignore science, stop regulating greenhouse gases. "Largest deregulatory action" in the history of US would be one of the unhealthiest.
The EPA, like vaccines, appears to be a victim of its own success. It was formed in an era where our rivers were routinely catching on fire. Flammable water is a lot easier to point at as a problem than 1.5 degrees of temperature change over 80 years which is also catastrophic but not as acutely so. People just find new singular issues to not vote for Dems. Right now, it’s Israel/Palestine. So they just let the GOP do worse, because the Dem choice isn’t perfect. The GOP is a majority of old men, old men that know their days are limited. They don't care what happens tomorrow just as long as they benefit today. Stop trying to ascribe logic and reason to Maga arguments. There is none. They are *literally* the party of emotion over reason. Feelings over fact. Insanity instead of logic. Hurting themselves is worth it if it "owns the libs". A lot of them are fossil fuel fetishists. They think digging up and burning fossil fuels is manly. Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 01, 2025 11:38 AM (JCZqz) 214
Ice weighs the same as a duck?
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 01, 2025 11:38 AM (9RJQx) 215
Norway’s sequestering efforts are pitiful compared to the amount of CO2 in the ocean!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 01, 2025 11:38 AM (FwJ+V) Posted by: pawn at August 01, 2025 11:39 AM (QB+5g) 217
Once they cut off the head of Robespierre, things started to get better.
Posted by: Thomans Paine at August 01, 2025 11:33 AM (Vfq+S) Not for ol' Roby, they didn't. Posted by: BurtTC He stabilized. Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2025 11:39 AM (t7hQH) 218
Fine, let's exclude all measurements before 1958, the year you cite. In 1958, Mauna Loa measured atmospheric CO2 at 315 ppm. It's now about 420 ppm. We do our side no favors by simply ignoring things we don't like.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:24 AM (Riz8t) And where is the evidence that this increase is caused by human activity? Or that this increase has any effect on anything? Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 11:39 AM (ExV1e) 219
I'd like the EPA to address the square miles taken up with solar panels. Some of the "farms" of those things boggle the mind. Thousands of acres under them... useless.
And many of those are in prime farmland. Not 'just' the deserts. Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 01, 2025 11:39 AM (Q4IgG) 220
Stop trying to ascribe logic and reason to Maga arguments. There is none. They are *literally* the party of emotion over reason. Feelings over fact. Insanity instead of logic. Hurting themselves is worth it if it "owns the libs". LOL... That describes the Libs Posted by: It's me donna at August 01, 2025 11:39 AM (VE6XX) 221
I believe that the only verified safe manner of CO2 removal is to have a team of nubile blondes manually remove it.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic I believe Tara Yazdi's boobs are already sequestering much of the atmospheric CO2. Posted by: Bulg at August 01, 2025 11:39 AM (77rzZ) 222
It's a bulls*** question. I never said anything about a natural rate. All I said was that it has demonstrably risen from the baseline.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:37 AM But it's a nugatory point. Rising temperatures are not driven by tiny increases in a trace gas. And even if it could, it is near historic lows on a geologic scale. Posted by: toby928 at August 01, 2025 11:40 AM (jc0TO) 223
The GOP is a majority of old men, old men that know their days are limited. They don't care what happens tomorrow just as long as they benefit today.
You got it, buster. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 01, 2025 11:40 AM (muwun) 224
Separation of daytime from nighttime measurements revealed that carbon dioxide levels are lower during the day than at night. Daytime mean = 3.38, max. = 5.4, min. 3.15; nighttime mean = 4.32, max. = 5.74, min. = 3.21.
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 01, 2025 11:31 AM (gbOdA) --- It's clear from this data. We have to get rid of nighttime. Posted by: TOP Men at August 01, 2025 11:40 AM (krQz2) 225
"The Supreme Court case Massachusetts v. EPA in 2007 authorized the EPA to regulate greenhouse gases if the agency made the determination that global warming harms human health."
Merely Coincidentally, this sets up the Agency very nicely to determine... greenhouse gasses... harm... human... health... you know, if they wanted to... ... ... Andrew Posted by: Bad Andrew at August 01, 2025 11:40 AM (6qf1m) 226
I do know that water cannot be compressed
so this has something to do with chunks of ice in water volume, something or other Posted by: Don Black at August 01, 2025 11:41 AM (AOsQT) Posted by: man at August 01, 2025 11:41 AM (tubbA) 228
That was one of the planks that Vivek R ran on, and one of his demands from Trump for his support; it is an obligation for the government to withdraw or remove rules and regulations that have been made unconstitutional by the USSC decisions.
You can hate on Vivek all you want, but this is the one thing he did to change the future. I will always be willing to scatter some turmeric to his parents in honor for that alone. Posted by: Kindltot at August 01, 2025 11:25 AM (rbvCR) He had a lot of positions which were very good. But his H1B position was so very, very bad and he was so very, very vocal about it. Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 11:41 AM (ExV1e) 229
A lot of them are fossil fuel fetishists. They think digging up and burning fossil fuels is manly.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 01, 2025 11:38 AM (JCZqz) Actually digging up old shit is a very feminine trait. The Left should be lionizing it. Posted by: ... at August 01, 2025 11:41 AM (RLuzd) 230
>>The GOP is a majority of old men, old men that know their days are limited. They don't care what happens tomorrow just as long as they benefit today.
IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE GEN Z MEN ARE MAJORITY CONSERVATIVE BY A LOT. IN FACT, MANY ARE DISSAPPOINTED IN TRUMP FOR NOT GOING FAR ENOUGH. EVEN DAVID HOGG KNOWS THIS Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at August 01, 2025 11:41 AM (GbwPZ) 231
Wake me up when French vintners are petitioning their government for protection from abundant and inexpensive English wine.
Posted by: toby928 at August 01, 2025 11:41 AM (jc0TO) 232
As much as I love this - the problem is that there's literally nothing to be done about them putting it back in place when they're eventually re-elected. Which is why - unless we get 60 votes in the Senate with some balls to actually take decisive action on energy security - they'll just reverse this finding the next time a Democrat administration takes over.
The car companies know this - which is why we'll still get sh*tboxes and EV's until the horizon. Posted by: Defenestratus at August 01, 2025 11:41 AM (WYStd) 233
But it's a nugatory point. Rising temperatures are not driven by tiny increases in a trace gas.
For the last time, because this is getting tedious, I never said they were. Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:42 AM (Riz8t) 234
Next they need to look at unbanning useful refrigerants. I want freezing cold AC! Give me some HFC's and screw whatever pseudo science they used to ban them in the first place.
Posted by: OSUsux at August 01, 2025 11:42 AM (nxV7o) 235
I'd like the EPA to address the square miles taken up with solar panels. Some of the "farms" of those things boggle the mind. Thousands of acres under them... useless.
And many of those are in prime farmland. Not 'just' the deserts. Posted by: Martini Farmer While the parking lot next to it sits baking in the sun uncovered. Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2025 11:42 AM (t7hQH) Posted by: Don Black at August 01, 2025 11:42 AM (AOsQT) 237
Still waiting for the climate change crowd to discuss the impact o f the Tonga Volcano on the weather. Allegedly it increased the amount of water vapor in the stratosphere by over 10%. As noted water vapor is a "greenhouse gas". We are a insignificant compared to natural forces
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 01, 2025 11:42 AM (j1Y/l) 238
Stop trying to ascribe logic and reason to Maga arguments. There is none. They are *literally* the party of emotion over reason. Feelings over fact. Insanity instead of logic. Hurting themselves is worth it if it "owns the libs".
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 01, 2025 11:38 AM (JCZqz) --- They feel it's that way. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:42 AM (krQz2) 239
The lesbian currently on board ISS is being releived so there is very little time for a zero g hookup.
Posted by: pawn Very little doesn't mean NO time... But be careful! Something about running with scissors might still apply. Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at August 01, 2025 11:42 AM (JCZqz) 240
How did CO2 levels ever rise without SUV's?
Posted by: ... at August 01, 2025 11:42 AM (RLuzd) 241
Fossil fuels are dangerous. They should be dug up and burned.
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 01, 2025 11:42 AM (9RJQx) 242
#WINNING Statuzzzz: FatigueNotFound!
Posted by: ShainS -- Everybody Lies, Including Sleeping Dogs at August 01, 2025 11:43 AM (jQqep) 243
I'm looking forward to Seven nights in the same bed. Sleeping in planes and in trains is rough.
Forza Roma. Posted by: TJM's phone at August 01, 2025 11:43 AM (hvVjX) Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:43 AM (Riz8t) 245
I'd like the EPA to address the square miles taken up with solar panels. Some of the "farms" of those things boggle the mind. Thousands of acres under them... useless. And many of those are in prime farmland. Not 'just' the deserts. Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 01, 2025 11:39 AM the only time solar fields should be on farm land is after all of the golf courses are covered Posted by: AltonJackson at August 01, 2025 11:43 AM (tljrc) 246
Wonder what Hawaiian CO2 levels were in 1941?
Posted by: man at August 01, 2025 11:44 AM (tubbA) 247
Explain how the Earf's higher CO2 levels in previous eons gave rise to all of the coal seams.
And since that was in dino era levels, what caused it and why was that a good thing thrn? -- My understanding of the current hypothesis is that fungi had not evolved yet so there was nothing to decompose all that plant matter. So it just piled up. IDK. W/o any fungi, and that stuff is stacking up, how were the plants at the top able to obtain nutrients if the soil was ten, twenty, 100 feet down? Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 01, 2025 11:44 AM (lDIPK) 248
Global warming has to be up there with the top scams, and billions were made from it
Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2025 11:44 AM (Tnr2/) 249
How did CO2 levels ever rise without SUV's?
Posted by: ... at August 01, 2025 11:42 AM (RLuzd) ------------- I'm not saying it was alien monster trucks, but ... Posted by: ShainS -- Everybody Lies, Including Sleeping Dogs at August 01, 2025 11:44 AM (jQqep) 250
Posted by: The Letter J at August 01, 2025 11:26 AM (Z/h4+)
Present models predict... In 1542 present models predicted that the Earth was the center of the solar system. Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 11:44 AM (ExV1e) 251
>>He had a lot of positions which were very good. But his H1B position was so very, very bad and he was so very, very vocal about it.
DON'T FORGET THE PART WHERE HE JUSTIFIED UNLIMITED H1BS BECAUSE AMERICANS DEFICIENT -- TOO BUSY ENJOYING THEIR CHILDHOODS WITH THINGS LIKE FOOTBALL GAMES INSTEAD OF BEING MATHLETES. Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at August 01, 2025 11:44 AM (GbwPZ) 252
A lot of them are fossil fuel fetishists. They think digging up and burning fossil fuels is manly.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 01, 2025 11:38 AM (JCZqz) --- No, what's manly is getting all the power you can use from higher-density energy sources. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:45 AM (krQz2) 253
Choke Regulators not Carburetors.
Posted by: DaveA at August 01, 2025 11:45 AM (FhXTo) 254
Not for ol' Roby, they didn't.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2025 11:37 AM (dGCAG) In a way it did. During the last hour that the Committee spent screaming at each other in the upper floor of the Hotel de Ville about who's fault it was and how to recover their power, Robespierre had half his jaw shot off, either from a botched suicide or being shot by one of the other members, perhaps Saint-Just. When they were captured, Robespierre was left on a table over night with his face wrapped in a bandanna on the theory that they were going to execute him in the morning why bother? He moaned all the way to the guillotine and the only reaction he had prior to his execution was when the bandanna which had stuck to the wound through clotted blood was stripped from his face. Posted by: Kindltot at August 01, 2025 11:45 AM (rbvCR) 255
Get this, Antarctica ice is growing not melting.
I believe that the same holds true for Greenland. Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 11:46 AM (ExV1e) 256
The worm has turned on the markets intraday. Out of shorts.
Posted by: toby928 at August 01, 2025 11:46 AM (jc0TO) 257
Oh, and one more angle of stupidity for your consideration:
I think other countries should consider this an attack on their well being. Sanctions on the US - in particular on the businesses of the fat nonce and Elon Musk - should come into place. The Climate Wars are gonna be a real thing and the US is going to be on the equivalent of the Axis if we don't eject these psychopaths. The resource conflicts are already starting in some regions. Really depends on how quickly we can pivot on energy policy and adaptation measures. Gonna be a defining issue for the next few decades. Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 01, 2025 11:46 AM (JCZqz) 258
You could get some affect on sea level if ice that is on land in, say Antarctica, shelved into the sea. Even if the Iceberg is the size of Rhode Island and were a kilometer thick, that’s still not much spread over the whole of the oceans. The oceans cover roughly 7/10 of the planet.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 01, 2025 11:46 AM (FwJ+V) 259
And many of those are in prime farmland. Not 'just' the deserts.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 01, 2025 11:39 AM --- Two words: Population Control. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:46 AM (krQz2) 260
My understanding of the current hypothesis is that fungi had not evolved yet so there was nothing to decompose all that plant matter.
So it just piled up. I don't think that's correct. It's been hypothesized that plants could never have colonized land had it not been for fungi, so fungi were certainly around. And fungi aren't the only decomposers in the world. Posted by: Bulg at August 01, 2025 11:47 AM (77rzZ) 261
Global warming has to be up there with the top scams, and billions were made from it
Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2025 11:44 AM (Tnr2/) ------------- "Without it, Al Gore would never have been able to afford the significant R&D costs required to invent and develop the interwebz, h8r!" Posted by: ShainS -- Everybody Lies, Including Sleeping Dogs at August 01, 2025 11:47 AM (jQqep) 262
253 Choke Regulators not Carburetors.
Posted by: DaveA Choke chickens, not wimmens! (unless they're into it) Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at August 01, 2025 11:47 AM (JCZqz) 263
The government should never have tried regulating a gas essential for life in the first place.
The nice thing is that there's no way for you- or us- to confirm or test or measure any of our assumptions and results. Posted by: EPA at August 01, 2025 11:47 AM (wbdmf) 264
Actually, water takes up more volume as ice.
It's one of those individual properties of dihydrogen monoxide. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:28 AM (krQz2) But... since ice has a lower density than water as a result, it floats and displaces the exact same amount as the water would, if liquid. Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 11:48 AM (ExV1e) 265
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The resource conflicts are already starting in some regions. Really depends on how quickly we can pivot on energy policy and adaptation measures. Gonna be a defining issue for the next few decades. Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 01, 2025 11:46 AM (JCZqz) ==== False. There are no resource conflicts when solar power can do everything nat gas plants can. Posted by: TJM's phone at August 01, 2025 11:48 AM (hvVjX) 266
How will this affect Guam’s tipping?
- Hank Johnson Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 01, 2025 11:48 AM (Vvm2m) 267
A lot of them are fossil fuel fetishists. They think digging up and burning fossil fuels is manly.
——- LOL!! They are so stupid, it has to be painful. There are no practical, affordable alternatives to gas and oil at this time. Nobody is wedded to petroleum for reasons of masculinity. Invent something that is viable as an alternative. Better men than you have tried, for a long time. They are demanding everyone give up the very substance that allows for existence. You have to provide a replacement first, ya dumb fuck. We are being destroyed by idiots that cannot do math. Posted by: Common Tater at August 01, 2025 11:48 AM (C72az) 268
The resource conflicts are already starting in some regions"
Been hearing this for...27 years. Where, exactly? Some years back it was water wars. Who died? Posted by: man at August 01, 2025 11:48 AM (tubbA) 269
Great discussion about the Earth's carbon cycle and who's killing who:
https://tinyurl.com/2vw5tz9m Posted by: pawn at August 01, 2025 11:28 AM (QB+5g) A more important question... https://youtu.be/yuxiZNFJV0s Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 11:49 AM (ExV1e) 270
Global warming has to be up there with the top scams, and billions were made from it
Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2025 11:44 AM (Tnr2/) ______ "Trillions, bro. Trillions." [Blows on nails] -- WEF Globalists Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at August 01, 2025 11:49 AM (iFTx/) 271
Great discussion about the Earth's carbon cycle and who's killing who:
https://tinyurl.com/2vw5tz9m Posted by: pawn at August 01, 2025 11:28 AM (QB+5g) --- Let's not bicker and argue about 'oo killed 'oo. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:49 AM (krQz2) 272
and many of those are in prime farmland. Not 'just' the deserts.
_______________________ And in Michigan they plan to bulldoze 400 acres of forest (if they haven't already) to build a "solar farm" in a place that only has 140 sunny days a year. https://www.mlive.com/environment/2025/01/ michigan-plans-to-clear-400-acres-of-state-forest- near-gaylord-for-solar-farm.html Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 01, 2025 11:50 AM (6R+6q) 273
I just came in from outside and I'm covered with carbon dioxide, can I wash that off or do I have to burn it off?
Posted by: Eromero at August 01, 2025 11:08 AM (LHPAg) You need to take a bath in liquid oxygen. Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 01, 2025 11:50 AM (g8Ew8) 274
Everyone who has ever lived under the rising CO2 cloud has died or will die. Fact.
Posted by: ... at August 01, 2025 11:50 AM (RLuzd) 275
I'll take it
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 01, 2025 11:50 AM (xcxpd) 276
There are no resource conflicts when solar power can do everything nat gas plants can.
Heh. Sure. Posted by: Gallium mines at August 01, 2025 11:50 AM (tubbA) 277
You’d think at some point, after decades of doom predictions not coming true these idiots would figure out it’s a scam.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 01, 2025 11:51 AM (Vvm2m) 278
We used to nuke whales.
"The Seaview pursues an enormous whale which has swallowed a 50-megaton nuclear bomb" Voyage to the bottom of the sushi. Posted by: DaveA at August 01, 2025 11:51 AM (FhXTo) 279
Global warming has to be up there with the top scams, and billions were made from it
Posted by: Skip at August 01, 2025 11:44 AM (Tnr2/) --- In magnitude, sure. In concentrated bald-facedness, the world-wide scamdemic of 2020 has it beat. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 11:51 AM (krQz2) 280
https://fackel.substack.com/p/
the-quite-unknown-story-of-co2-measurements Posted by: rhennigantx at August 01, 2025 11:51 AM (gbOdA) 281
The only time the climate on the earth will stop changing is on or about the heat death of the universe in a couple of quadrillion years.
Ackshully... assuming that the stellar astrophysicists understand things correctly, Earth's climate will stop changing in about 5B years as the Sun starts to die and expands to engulf the Earth's orbit. Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 11:52 AM (ExV1e) 282
If you want to get rid of water vapor, try living on the Altiplano in Chile for a while. There is a reason those mummies are so well preserved!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 01, 2025 11:52 AM (FwJ+V) 283
278 We used to nuke whales.
"The Seaview pursues an enormous whale which has swallowed a 50-megaton nuclear bomb" Voyage to the bottom of the sushi. Posted by: DaveA at August 01, 2025 11:51 AM (FhXTo) you asked for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6CLumsir34 Posted by: rhennigantx at August 01, 2025 11:52 AM (gbOdA) Posted by: Don Black at August 01, 2025 11:52 AM (AOsQT) 285
I think other countries should consider this an attack on their well being. Sanctions on the US - in particular on the businesses of the fat nonce and Elon Musk - should come into place.
---------------- This is some weak-ass sauce. The DU isn't at least calling for War Criminal Trials at The Hague for -- and executions of -- Trump and Musk simultaneously? I am disappoint ... Posted by: ShainS -- Everybody Lies, Including Sleeping Dogs at August 01, 2025 11:52 AM (jQqep) 286
The NASDAQ has dropped to levels not seen since two weeks ago!
Posted by: toby928 at August 01, 2025 11:29 AM (jc0TO) I threw myself out the window earlier but I was on the ground floor so it didn't have a big effect. Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 11:53 AM (ExV1e) 287
The Oregon State Hiway Department had a whale of a problem
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 01, 2025 11:53 AM (gbOdA) 288
The best trick they did was changing global warming to climate change. Because now any weather event can be shown as “proof” we need to ban modern comfort and go back to the Stone Age to save the erf.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 01, 2025 11:53 AM (Vvm2m) 289
There are no resource conflicts when solar power can do everything nat gas plants can.
_____________ Except work at night. Or in the rain Or winter Or survive a hailstorm... Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 01, 2025 11:53 AM (6R+6q) 290
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‘ The Climate Wars are gonna be a real thing and the US is going to be on the equivalent of the Axis’ I really do wish the countries controlled byclimate leftists would crawl out from under their rocks and try something like this, especially the English speaking ones. Alas, their leaders aren’t THAT kind of stupid. Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 01, 2025 11:53 AM (jbnUc) 291
A lot of them are fossil fuel fetishists. They think digging up and burning fossil fuels is manly.
Well, it pretty much is... Posted by: t-bird at August 01, 2025 11:53 AM (wbdmf) 292
You’d think at some point, after decades of doom predictions not coming true these idiots would figure out it’s a scam.
It's why they like to use teenagers, who aren't aware that there have been predictions of ecological doom for more than half a century. I have a science fiction novel, "The Sheep Look Up", which details the ecological collapse of the United States. It was written in 1973. Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 01, 2025 11:53 AM (xTIDn) 293
I never said anything about a natural rate. All I said was that it has demonstrably risen from the baseline.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:37 AM (Riz8t) Which you arbitrarily selected. 200 years ago or so, CO2 was measured at 398ppm. So we're just about perfectly in line with that. Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at August 01, 2025 11:53 AM (oSeBJ) 294
Stop trying to ascribe logic and reason to Maga arguments. There is none. They are *literally* the party of emotion over reason. Feelings over fact. Insanity instead of logic. Hurting themselves is worth it if it "owns the libs".
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions Seems like there's one of these deflection/inversion posts in almost every batch now. Can't tell if they really believe this or they're just using the lame, "I know you are" tactic. Posted by: Grudge Harbor at August 01, 2025 11:54 AM (4DY5T) Posted by: Ludwig v. Beethoven at August 01, 2025 11:54 AM (tubbA) 296
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And Galileo died while under house arrest for heresy…. Which side do you think you’re on in your historical analogy? lol Posted by: The Letter J at August 01, 2025 11:54 AM (Z/h4+) 297
Where not sure how much explosives to use.
They had a half ton on site Guess how much they used? Posted by: rhennigantx at August 01, 2025 11:54 AM (gbOdA) 298
During the last hour that the Committee spent screaming at each other in the upper floor of the Hotel de Ville about who's fault it was and how to recover their power, Robespierre had half his jaw shot off, either from a botched suicide or being shot by one of the other members, perhaps Saint-Just. When they were captured, Robespierre was left on a table over night with his face wrapped in a bandanna on the theory that they were going to execute him in the morning why bother? He moaned all the way to the guillotine and the only reaction he had prior to his execution was when the bandanna which had stuck to the wound through clotted blood was stripped from his face.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 01, 2025 11:45 AM (rbvCR) *sniff* I always cry at happy endings... Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 01, 2025 11:54 AM (xcxpd) 299
Speaking of weather, there is a story linked on Insty about the longest recorded lightning strike. Something like 515 miles, from Texas to Kansas. There's video. Really cool.
Posted by: Bulg at August 01, 2025 11:55 AM (77rzZ) 300
digging up and burning fossil fuels is manly.
It is. Also the current fastest driver is Brittany Force @340+ mph. Posted by: DaveA at August 01, 2025 11:55 AM (FhXTo) 301
I guess Powell is truly screwed now. There is essentially no inflation. PPI was down last month. Job revisions (interesting how May's first adjustments were up, and now they are down) show small positive growth only. Better than Biden, but not by much. He did a cut to try and help Biden/Harris before the election.
The Fed is going to be too late again because they refuse to follow economics instead of political allegiances. Posted by: Black JEM at August 01, 2025 11:55 AM (GZYu7) 302
Macro Evolution Global Warming The Scamdemic What do these all have in common? Hint: "Trust the Science" Posted by: ... at August 01, 2025 11:55 AM (RLuzd) 303
I always cry at happy endings...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 01, 2025 11:54 AM (xcxpd) --- Ah just like 'em! Posted by: Al Gore at August 01, 2025 11:55 AM (krQz2) 304
Seems like there's one of these deflection/inversion posts in almost every batch now. Can't tell if they really believe this or they're just using the lame, "I know you are" tactic.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at August 01, 2025 11:54 AM Rubber-Glue style. Do right, no defense. Posted by: Mr. Miyagi at August 01, 2025 11:56 AM (jc0TO) 305
You know who else was a fun guy?
Posted by: ... at August 01, 2025 11:56 AM (RLuzd) 306
Macro Evolution
Global Warming The Scamdemic What do these all have in common? Hint: "Trust the Science" Posted by: ... at August 01, 2025 11:55 AM (RLuzd) --- Because the Science is trying to decrease the surplus population. Posted by: Al Gore at August 01, 2025 11:56 AM (krQz2) 307
281 see my comment at 177: great minds think alike!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 01, 2025 11:57 AM (FwJ+V) Posted by: toby928 at August 01, 2025 11:57 AM (jc0TO) 309
Because the Science is trying to decrease the surplus population.
Posted by: Al Gore Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses? Posted by: Bulg at August 01, 2025 11:57 AM (77rzZ) 310
@281
>>Ackshully... assuming that the stellar astrophysicists understand things correctly, Earth's climate will stop changing in about 5B years as the Sun starts to die and expands to engulf the Earth's orbit. It won't have an atmospheric climate but it will have a surface temperature that will be regulated by solar and stellar output. Unless it's completely engulfed and vaporized by the Supergiant Red Sun. But that's another matter. Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 01, 2025 11:57 AM (XV/Pl) 311
Stop trying to ascribe logic and reason to Maga arguments. There is none. They are *literally* the party of emotion over reason. Feelings over fact. Insanity instead of logic.
Wow...more projection than the extended cut of 'The Exorcist'. Posted by: Stu Podaso at August 01, 2025 11:57 AM (M0V4/) 312
I wish the alarmists would move on to something that truly is alarming (to me at least): that all of the wind farms removing wind energy from the atmosphere is changing weather patterns.
Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at August 01, 2025 11:34 AM (0bjKf) I've read that the consensus is that it's limited to the wind farms locale but that seems like bullshit to me. Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 11:58 AM (ExV1e) 313
"“greenhouse gases from new motor vehicles and new motor vehicle engines contribute to the greenhouse gas pollution that threatens public health and welfare.”"
Then they got in their jets and flew to Davos. Posted by: A shell of a man at August 01, 2025 11:58 AM (vFG9F) 314
"In a greenhouse, if CO2 is raised to 800 ppm, plant production doubles. That’s over twice the level that is allegedly setting the earth on fire and killing us."
Some go a little higher, but above that the cost of producing the CO2 outweighs the benefits. Not sure how high would actually be "damaging", but I think it is like 10X higher, maybe more. Posted by: illiniwek at August 01, 2025 11:59 AM (vbXSk) 315
The Sheep Look Up summary;
The novel takes place in a very near future United States, not dated explicitly but clearly as near as the late 1970s.[note 1] Human activities have resulted in wholesale destruction of the environment. Water pollution is so severe that "don't drink" notices are frequently issued, water taps in public toilets are coin-operated and household water filters are popular. Air pollution has reached the point that people in urban areas cannot go outside without "filtermasks". Such fumes left behind by aircraft cause air sickness in planes trailing behind. California is blanketed by a thick layer of smog that prevents the sun from shining through. Acid rain forces people to cover themselves in plastic so that their clothes are not ruined. The sea has become so polluted and the beaches so strewn with garbage that Americans now vacation in the mountains. Environmentally-minded people drive electric or "steam cars" with clean exhaust, but these in turn become target of their haters. Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 01, 2025 12:00 PM (6R+6q) 316
Seems like there's one of these deflection/inversion posts in almost every batch now. Can't tell if they really believe this or they're just using the lame, "I know you are" tactic.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor I try to mix things up, but reading through so many of their comments, it all basically starts sounding the same. Of course, I usually add favorite recurring chestnuts that always get good reactions here, like "The MSM is actually right wing", or "how can the MSM compete with right wing domination of AM radio?" Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 01, 2025 12:00 PM (JCZqz) 317
Unless it's completely engulfed and vaporized by the Supergiant Red Sun.
But that's another matter. Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 01, 2025 11:57 AM (XV/Pl) The kid could predict the future. Then a scientist explains this theory. kaboom Posted by: rhennigantx at August 01, 2025 12:01 PM (gbOdA) 318
Everyone who has ever lived under the rising CO2 cloud has died or will die. Fact.
Posted by: ... -------- Also, those who have eaten carrots. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 01, 2025 12:01 PM (XeU6L) 319
316 I try to mix things up, but reading through so many of their comments, it all basically starts sounding the same. Of course, I usually add favorite recurring chestnuts that always get good reactions here, like "The MSM is actually right wing", or "how can the MSM compete with right wing domination of AM radio?"
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 01, 2025 12:00 PM (JCZqz) ==== I feel like this is just appealing to me personally. Which i appreciate. Posted by: TJM's phone at August 01, 2025 12:01 PM (hvVjX) 320
A lot of them are fossil fuel fetishists. They think digging up and burning fossil fuels is manly.
Well, it pretty much is... Posted by: t-bird My old, fat ass isn't messing with a roughneck or a coal miner. Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2025 12:02 PM (t7hQH) 321
I never said anything about a natural rate. All I said was that it has demonstrably risen from the baseline.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:37 AM (Riz8t) Which you arbitrarily selected. 200 years ago or so, CO2 was measured at 398ppm. So we're just about perfectly in line with that. Arbitrarily? I think not. I picked 1800 because that was before the Industrial Revolution. I cited the numbers most commonly used (roughly 280 ppm) because they're based on mass spec analysis of ice cores and other sources. I was then told that such numbers are unreliable, and that only numbers derived since 1958 can be used, so I then used those numbers, and they were much lower than the numbers we see today. Really guys, stop reacting emotionally and just read what was written. Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 12:02 PM (Riz8t) 322
The state of Colorado was born this day in 1876. It was great until about 2004.
Posted by: Don Black at August 01, 2025 12:02 PM (AOsQT) 323
Actually, water takes up more volume as ice.
It's one of those individual properties of dihydrogen monoxide. Posted by: Axeman Oh yeah, the reason everything under fresh water doesn't die every winter. Posted by: From about That Time at August 01, 2025 12:03 PM (n4GiU) 324
Everyone who has ever lived under the rising CO2 cloud has died or will die. Fact.
Posted by: ... -------- Also, those who have eaten carrots. Posted by: Mike Hammer And ingested dihydrogen monoxide. Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2025 12:03 PM (t7hQH) 325
Tanks and shit blowing shit up and getting blown up and shit. Definitely Ukrainian propaganda but I think the video is real. Pretty graphic but no gore.
https://youtu.be/gJimy62QpcY Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Something Smells Funny In Here at August 01, 2025 12:03 PM (L/fGl) 326
The leftist will burn it all down and blame conservatives for the fallout. No doubt
Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at August 01, 2025 12:03 PM (fhkPl) 327
296- Letter J.
You won't read it of course, but here's what the Vatican Obervatory has to say about Galileo: https://tinyurl.com/4zd2mmc5 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2025 12:04 PM (2GCMq) 328
Everyone who has ever lived under the rising CO2 cloud has died or will die. Fact.
Posted by: ... -------- Also, those who have eaten carrots. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 01, 2025 12:01 PM (XeU6L) --- All those drinking dihydrogen monoxide, too. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 12:04 PM (krQz2) 329
If you filled the greenhouse with CO2, the plants would be fine, but the gardener wouldn’t be! Also real greenhouses work by shutting down convection. The “greenhouse effect” is a misnomer; one we’re stuck with.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 01, 2025 12:04 PM (FwJ+V) 330
The amount of pollutants dropped into the ocean and into the air by the third world and by China and India is not being stopped by the white greenies. It's about controlling the West
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 01, 2025 12:04 PM (j1Y/l) 331
Carrots are the real orange mennace.
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 01, 2025 12:05 PM (9RJQx) 332
Speaking of...I was really kinda hoping the tidal wave from the big earthquake would rearrange the Obama residence in Hawaii.
Oh well. Posted by: Diogenes at August 01, 2025 11:08 AM (W/lyH) I think you misspelled erase. Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 01, 2025 12:05 PM (snZF9) 333
The state of Colorado was born this day in 1876. It was great until about 2004.
Posted by: Don Black Shouldn't we be calling it the 'State of Color'? Posted by: t-bird at August 01, 2025 12:05 PM (wbdmf) 334
Sadly, the real damage has already been done. Norway has already sequestered hundreds of thousands of tons of CO2 and injected it into the empty oil wells in the North Sea. The same people who believe "The Butterfly Effect" is real simultaneously lecture that removing hundreds of thousands of tons of CO2 from the natural environment is a victory for the environment.
Now let's all watch as trees across the planet die and crop yeilds drop from the lack of CO2, and the greens tell us it is climate change and industrialiation. Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at August 01, 2025 11:10 AM (m0WlR) The earth itself sequesters carbon the time. Coal and limestone are sequestered carbon. CO2 can be used as a miscible flood to help extract the last bit of oil from a reservoir. And that oil, when burned, replaces the CO2 used to extract it. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2025 12:05 PM (9/0BK) 335
My understanding of the current hypothesis is that fungi had not evolved yet so there was nothing to decompose all that plant matter.
No fungus but plenty of higher level plant/animal life? How do they square that? Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 12:06 PM (ExV1e) 336
> A lot of them are fossil fuel fetishists. They think digging up and burning fossil fuels is manly.
---- IT IS WE TAKE ROCKS AND GOO FROM UNDERGROUND AND FROM THEM CREATE FIRE Posted by: Don Black at August 01, 2025 12:06 PM (AOsQT) 337
The amount of pollutants dropped into the ocean and into the air by the third world and by China and India is not being stopped by the white greenies. It's about controlling the West
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 01, 2025 12:04 PM (j1Y/l) --- China is the one causing he "islands of plastic" ecos are freaking out about. It's rare that one of our plastic straws can make it there. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 12:06 PM (krQz2) 338
You won't be laughing when dihydrogen monoxide is literally falling from the sky.
Posted by: ... at August 01, 2025 12:06 PM (RLuzd) 339
The amount of pollutants dropped into the ocean and into the air by the third world and by China and India is not being stopped by the white greenies. It's about controlling the West
Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 01, 2025 12:04 PM Impoverishing the West. The level the playing field. It's not right that the West is prosperous and the 3rd World sucks balls. Posted by: toby928 at August 01, 2025 12:06 PM (jc0TO) 340
No fungus but plenty of higher level plant/animal life? How do they square that?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 12:06 PM (ExV1e) --- They just write it off. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 12:06 PM (krQz2) 341
There were no fungus among us?
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 01, 2025 12:06 PM (9RJQx) 342
Carrots are the real orange menace.
Posted by: Boss Moss I once saw Danny Bonaduce being interviewed about the Partridge Family. He said that Susan Dey ate so many carrots that her skin started to turn orange. Posted by: Bulg at August 01, 2025 12:06 PM (77rzZ) 343
In a way it did. During the last hour that the Committee spent screaming at each other in the upper floor of the Hotel de Ville about who's fault it was and how to recover their power, Robespierre had half his jaw shot off, either from a botched suicide or being shot by one of the other members, perhaps Saint-Just. When they were captured, Robespierre was left on a table over night with his face wrapped in a bandanna on the theory that they were going to execute him in the morning why bother? He moaned all the way to the guillotine and the only reaction he had prior to his execution was when the bandanna which had stuck to the wound through clotted blood was stripped from his face.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 01, 2025 11:45 AM (rbvCR) As they say, it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2025 12:07 PM (dGCAG) 344
Everyone who has ever lived under the rising CO2 cloud has died or will die. Fact.
Posted by: ... -------- Also, those who have eaten carrots. Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 01, 2025 12:01 PM (XeU6L) --- All those drinking dihydrogen monoxide, too. Posted by: Axeman Fish f*ck in it. Posted by: Zombie W.C. Fields at August 01, 2025 12:07 PM (M0V4/) 345
China is the one causing he "islands of plastic" ecos are freaking out about.
It's rare that one of our plastic straws can make it there. Posted by: Axeman Especially when I'm 300 miles from the ocean. Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2025 12:07 PM (t7hQH) Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 01, 2025 12:07 PM (xcxpd) 347
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at August 01, 2025 11:13 AM (qPFap)
Aren't you Jonesing for your meal of shit pebbles about now? Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2025 12:08 PM (9/0BK) Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2025 12:08 PM (2GCMq) 349
All those drinking dihydrogen monoxide, too.
Posted by: Axeman Fish f*ck in it. Posted by: Zombie W.C. Fields Fish aren't the only ones. POOL PARTY!!! Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2025 12:08 PM (t7hQH) Posted by: Don Black at August 01, 2025 12:08 PM (AOsQT) 351
You won't be laughing when dihydrogen monoxide is literally falling from the sky.
Posted by: ... at August 01, 2025 12:06 PM (RLuzd) --- It's why we all got oil cancer. Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 12:09 PM (krQz2) 352
Also, those who have eaten carrots.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 01, 2025 12:01 PM *recalls dinner last night* Well...f@#k. Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 01, 2025 12:10 PM (kgE5c) 353
'Colorado' means 'red'
Posted by: Don Black at August 01, 2025 12:08 PM (AOsQT) --- I thought it was just a rad color... Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 12:10 PM (krQz2) Posted by: Don Black at August 01, 2025 12:10 PM (AOsQT) 355
"Actually, water takes up more volume as ice."
Depends on the temperature. The true miracle of water (that was one of the things that started me to belive in a Grand Desiner) is that waters maximum density is highest at 3 deg. C. Unlike other liquids it starts to expand as if approaches the freezing point. This is why ice float on rivers and lakes allowing fish and other aquatic life to survive during the winter. Posted by: pawn at August 01, 2025 12:10 PM (QB+5g) 356
Tanks and shit blowing shit up and getting blown up and shit. Definitely Ukrainian propaganda but I think the video is real. Pretty graphic but no gore.
https://youtu.be/gJimy62QpcY Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Something Smells Funny In Here at August 01, 2025 12:03 PM (L/fGl) Apparently what the junta in Ukraine wants now, is to convince leaders of the West to give them more weapons. So they gotta do what they can to suggest they're not being destroyed on the battlefield. Yes, they can still kill Russians. War is bloody. What's going to happen though, is the spigot stays turned off, they stop having any capacity to fight back, and Russia goes in and slaughters Zelensky and anyone loyal to him. There isn't going to be a negotiated settlement. Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2025 12:11 PM (dGCAG) 357
“Nigel chaired the roundtable and, during his introductory speech, happened to comment on the fact that our countries are founded on Judeo-Christian values,” said one source, adding: “Rep. Raskin started by disagreeing that the US had been founded on Judeo-Christian values at all, and then commenced a shouting tirade about Donald Trump’s alleged lack of regard for free speech, which bore absolutely no relation to anything the speakers had said.”“Nigel repeatedly tried to tell him that we weren’t there to talk about Donald Trump, we were there to talk about ‘the impact of this on the freedom of the ordinary man and woman’. To this, Rep. Raskin just continued his tirade while shouting ‘you trying to shut me down shows how much respect you have for freedom of speech’, while Rep. Swalwell (whose only notable contribution to the event thus far had been loudly speaking to Rep. Raskin while one of the UK speakers had been giving their speech) egged him on and laughed.”
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 01, 2025 12:11 PM (gbOdA) 358
sorry, that's not what it's called
I denounce myself, and will be performing ritual seppuku out by the loading dock at lunchtime, if anybody wants to watch Posted by: Don Black at August 01, 2025 12:12 PM (AOsQT) 359
I denounce myself, and will be performing ritual seppuku out by the loading dock at lunchtime, if anybody wants to watch
Posted by: Don Black Will sandwiches be provided? Posted by: Bulg at August 01, 2025 12:13 PM (77rzZ) 360
Eeenteresting;
Worldwide search traffic has fallen by 15 percent in the past year.... Now that AI-generated summaries are being integrated into search results..." "... anyone looking for information has less reason to click through to the websites where that information originates. For media publishers whose business models rely on referral traffic to bring them advertising revenue, this shift feels nothing short of catastrophic. There’s no getting around the decline in traffic. Last week, the Pew Research Center released a report showing not only that people who see an AI-generated summary on Google search are significantly less likely to click on external links than users who don’t, but that people almost never click on the links included in the AI summary https://is.gd/V2Shcq Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 12:14 PM (Riz8t) 361
And Galileo died while under house arrest for heresy…. Which side do you think you’re on in your historical analogy? lol
Posted by: The Letter J at August 01, 2025 11:54 AM (Z/h4+) Well, given that the "CO2 will kill us all" brigade have, to my knowledge, never proposed a single runnable experiment which could, and has failed to, disprove their theory, I think I'm on the side of science. Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 12:14 PM (ExV1e) 362
Yeah supposedly, the way you pronounce the word 'Colorado' has some hidden meaning
if the 'rad' syllable rhymes with 'bad' or 'rod' Posted by: Don Black at August 01, 2025 12:15 PM (AOsQT) Posted by: Don Black at August 01, 2025 12:16 PM (AOsQT) 364
Really guys, stop reacting emotionally and just read what was written.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 12:02 PM (Riz8t) I have a theory that commenters are not reacting emotionally but are, in fact, mostly just giving you grief. Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 12:16 PM (ExV1e) 365
Liquor stores rarely go out of business
Posted by: jsg at August 01, 2025 12:16 PM (6sqlo) 366
Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 11:37 AM (Riz8t)
Again no one said it hasn’t risen. He said that man could not change the status. Posted by: polynikes at August 01, 2025 12:17 PM (VofaG) 367
Again no one said it hasn’t risen. He said that man could not change the status.
Posted by: polynikes at August 01, 2025 12:17 PM or that it matters regarding climate. Posted by: toby928 at August 01, 2025 12:18 PM (jc0TO) 368
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Your link says that his heresy trial came from “ Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems—Ptolemaic and Copernican” ..which isn’t just a work touting that the earth revolves around the sun, but also an indictment against anti-scientific thinking.. so I’m trying to understand the point you’re making? Posted by: The Letter J at August 01, 2025 12:18 PM (Z/h4+) 369
My comeback to hysteria over this ruling is, what data do we have to show these measures did any good? Or ill?
(Can't wait for my taxpayer funded compost box to arrive! If we compost we will save the world! I think. Or the state will get rich with the $100 fines.) Posted by: Imma Bad Person at August 01, 2025 12:18 PM (RRCAT) 370
364 Really guys, stop reacting emotionally and just read what was written.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 12:02 PM (Riz8t) You mean like your emotional scolding post where obviously you didn’t read what was written. Posted by: polynikes at August 01, 2025 12:18 PM (VofaG) Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Something Smells Funny In Here at August 01, 2025 12:18 PM (L/fGl) 372
The resource conflicts are already starting in some regions" Been hearing this for...27 years. Where, exactly? Some years back it was water wars. Who died? Posted by: man The Super Soaker brigade. Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 01, 2025 12:19 PM (63Dwl) 373
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· 57m 🚨 JUST IN: Leader Thune is now getting the Trump White House to speak with Chuck Schumer's team to make a "deal" about confirming Trump's nominees, per Punchbowl. ---- apparently, Congress & Trump need Chuck's permission to proceed Posted by: Don Black at August 01, 2025 12:19 PM (AOsQT) 374
Galileo got in trouble mainly for being an asshole.
Posted by: Bulg at August 01, 2025 12:19 PM (77rzZ) 375
This is a illustration from the paper I referenced earlier about the Earth's carbon cycles depeting the annual carbon budge. It shows the relative sizes and rates ob absorbtion and release of the sequestered carbon by storage type:
https://tinyurl.com/yfy9vmj7 Posted by: pawn at August 01, 2025 12:19 PM (QB+5g) 376
54 Great! Now it would be great if Zeldin amped up his efforts on a true endangerment: Mexican pollution of California waters. Their damn Tijuana sewage has closed San Diego beaches and caused the Navy to relocate some parts of SEAL training ffs. Zeldin has spoken previously on this. I look forward to Trump getting on these other border infiltrators. Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 01, 2025 11:13 AM (zCv9W) ----- A Beaner Sewage Correction Plan was announced recently. Remove two spaces. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-mexico- tijuana-river-sewage-crisis-deal -massive-win-americans-epa-says Posted by: School Kid at August 01, 2025 12:19 PM (7lFSJ) 377
You’d think at some point, after decades of doom predictions not coming true these idiots would figure out it’s a scam.
It's why they like to use teenagers, who aren't aware that there have been predictions of ecological doom for more than half a century. I have a science fiction novel, "The Sheep Look Up", which details the ecological collapse of the United States. It was written in 1973. Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 01, 2025 11:53 AM (xTIDn) _____ "Meh" -- Silent Running (1972) Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at August 01, 2025 12:20 PM (iFTx/) 378
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“I've traveled over a million miles around the world just in the last seven and a half years. But I haven't found a single world leader, ally, friend, who says, ‘Geez, it's great. Maybe we'll get a Trump presidency.’ Oh, I think Putin doesn't want a united NATO,” Biden said. “I think he [Putin] doesn't want a united EU. I could see where a lot of our adversaries would think it's better to have someone who doesn't have any idea what they're doing than have somebody as tough as Hillary.” I believe that is the first real linking of Trump to Russia. And to think nice Uncle Joe threw the first pitch. Posted by: rhennigantx at August 01, 2025 12:20 PM (gbOdA) 379
Much as Paul Harvey asked the rhetorical question of what would Satan do differently to destroy American youth other than to promote drugs and hedonism, we might ask what would the Chicoms do differently to wage unconventional, long term warfare against the US than to promote Carbon Religion (TM) with its (intended) destruction of our energy and manufacturing independence?
If the dark money behind this decades old scam were unraveled I think a good chance the trail would lead right back to freaking Beijing. Posted by: Zek at August 01, 2025 12:20 PM (lcQJG) 380
The EPA is garbage, like the rest of the federal leviathan.
Posted by: EPA Is Garbage at August 01, 2025 12:20 PM (R/m4+) 381
apparently, Congress & Trump need Chuck's permission to proceed Posted by: Don Black at August 01, 2025 12:19 PM (AOsQT) --- That's why we give the GOP the majority in both houses, isn't it? Posted by: Axeman at August 01, 2025 12:20 PM (krQz2) 382
we should be building coal fired power plants
Posted by: n at August 01, 2025 12:21 PM (tmJUU) 383
IT IS
WE TAKE ROCKS AND GOO FROM UNDERGROUND AND FROM THEM CREATE FIRE Posted by: Don Black ----- Fire good. Posted by: Mungo at August 01, 2025 12:21 PM (XeU6L) 384
This is a illustration from the paper I referenced earlier about the Earth's carbon cycles depeting the annual carbon budge. It shows the relative sizes and rates ob absorbtion and release of the sequestered carbon by storage type:
https://tinyurl.com/yfy9vmj7 Posted by: pawn What does "GIC" mean? Posted by: Bulg at August 01, 2025 12:21 PM (77rzZ) 385
The idiocy behind such a claim is that the weight of all the water in all of the world's reservoirs is maybe 1/10,000th of the weight of the earth itself. It's like saying you became off balance because a piece of lint fell off of your shoulder.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 01, 2025 11:21 AM (uWKK ![]() The angular momentum of the water in Lake Missoula, and in most reservoir is greater than that of an equal amount of water in the ocean, because higher. When the lake drained out to the ocean, some of that angular momentum would be transferred to a tiny change in the earth's rotation. Possibly measurable, but not significant to life on Earth. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2025 12:22 PM (u/tSt) 386
gallileo figaro,
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at August 01, 2025 12:23 PM (YlWIZ) 387
The northern parts of the country need more Carbon.
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 01, 2025 12:23 PM (9RJQx) 388
magnifico!
Posted by: toby928 at August 01, 2025 12:23 PM (jc0TO) 389
The red man was pressed from this part of the West it's unlikely he'll ever return to the banks of Red River where seldom, if ever their flickering campfires burn. (The verse from "Home On The Range" that nobody sings anymore) Posted by: Don Black at August 01, 2025 12:23 PM (AOsQT) 390
Fire good.
Posted by: Mungo at August 01, 2025 12:21 PM (XeU6L) Lies! Lies and deception! -- Frankenstein (yeah, I know) Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 01, 2025 12:24 PM (ExV1e) 391
Actually, I've always been kind of partial to Roy Rogers.
Posted by: Don Black at August 01, 2025 12:24 PM (AOsQT) Posted by: pawn at August 01, 2025 12:24 PM (QB+5g) 393
Nude Ace.
Posted by: toby928 at August 01, 2025 12:25 PM (jc0TO) 394
alright
Dragon is in space and the booster has landed Posted by: Don Black at August 01, 2025 11:52 AM (AOsQT) --------------- "Dragon [this is] Chief Engineer. Dragon To Ground. Zena, Mike, Kimiya, Oleg ... Welcome To Orbit. On Behalf of the Entire Falcon Team ... We Thank You For Flying With Falcon Today." Posted by: ShainS -- Everybody Lies, Including Sleeping Dogs at August 01, 2025 12:25 PM (jQqep) Posted by: The Letter J at August 01, 2025 12:25 PM (Z/h4+) 396
So Epstein was at Mar A lago hobnobbing with the rich.
But was he really there because some of those rich peoples kids had jobs there for pocket money? Who did Epstein blame for calling the FDLE (Floridas FBI) on what was happening at his house? Trump Posted by: rhennigantx at August 01, 2025 12:26 PM (gbOdA) 397
391 Actually, I've always been kind of partial to Roy Rogers.
Posted by: Don Black at August 01, 2025 12:24 PM (AOsQT) All those sequin shirts ? Posted by: jsg at August 01, 2025 12:27 PM (6sqlo) 398
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Why? We’re already dedicating our limited and extremely backlogged thermal turbine manufacturing to gas plants.. Even if, for whatever reason, we wanted to push deep coal.. there is no production capacity, unless we wanted to pivot from gas ones.. Posted by: The Letter J at August 01, 2025 12:28 PM (Z/h4+) 399
Not only that, but if somehow the antarctic ice cap were to melt, the hundreds of billions of tons of ice being removed from the continent would cause the landmass to rise, offsetting the increase in oceanic water.
Posted by: Thomans Paine at August 01, 2025 11:32 AM (Vfq+S) Ditto for Greenland. Of course neither landmass would bob up like a cork once the ice was removed. It would take a few million years to equilibrate, but equilibrate, it would. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 01, 2025 12:30 PM (u/tSt) 400
Really guys, stop reacting emotionally and just read what was written.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 01, 2025 12:02 PM It might help if you took your own advice. The impetus to reply to every message you think has read you incorrectly is, in fact, an emotional response. We can read what you wrote and when you repeat yourself tirelessly it becomes tiresome. Posted by: Cybersmythe at August 01, 2025 12:45 PM (AnKDS) 401
Yippee kai-ay, mahfah.
Posted by: Hans Gruber at August 01, 2025 12:56 PM (GIf+b) 402
Progtards are good at one thing.....projecting their own insanity onto the normies.
Posted by: Karem of Wheat at August 01, 2025 01:04 PM (GIf+b) 403
The Endangerment Clause was the moment when the climate cult started worshiping electric vehicles, and regulators started working to mandate them. July 29, 2025 was the date that Donald Trump and Lee Zeldin put a stop to the madness.
“EPA Releases Proposal to Rescind Obama-Era Endangerment Finding, Regulations that Paved the Way for Electric Vehicle Mandates” [EPA Press Office – 7/29/2025] So the "Endangerment Clause" is rescinded by the Trump EPA in 2025. Good. However, with that SCOTUS ruling still in effect, is there anything to stop a future leftist President from simply ordering his EPA to put the Clause back in place? Posted by: Clyde Shelton at August 01, 2025 01:09 PM (P5BPp) 404
Supreme Court case was wrongly decided on whether CO2 is a pollutant. Majority reasoning is that anything that goes into the air is a pollutant.
Posted by: MikeN at August 01, 2025 01:34 PM (HVZOH) 405
Interesting regarding Massachusetts v. EPA (2007). Via Grok:
Massachusetts v. EPA (2007) was a 5-4 decision where the Supreme Court ruled that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has the authority to regulate greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act and that it must do so unless it provides a reasonable explanation for not acting. The majority opinion, written by Justice Stevens, held that greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide fit the Act’s definition of "air pollutants" and that Massachusetts had standing to sue due to harms like rising sea levels from climate change. The dissent, led by Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Scalia, argued the state lacked standing and that the EPA’s discretion was broader. Your take reflects a view that the decision was politically driven, which aligns with criticisms from some conservative scholars and justices who saw it as judicial overreach. The majority’s mandate for EPA action was contentious, as it effectively pushed the agency to regulate despite its initial reluctance, citing uncertainty about climate science and policy priorities. The dissenters argued this usurped executive discretion and stretched standing doctrine. Posted by: Clyde Shelton at August 01, 2025 02:00 PM (P5BPp) 406
Didn’t Al Gore’s movie say Florida would be under water by 2020?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 01, 2025 11:14 AM Grok: Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth (2006) warned about climate change impacts, including sea level rise, but did not explicitly claim Florida would be underwater by 2020. The film projected significant sea level rise over decades if greenhouse gas emissions continued unchecked, citing estimates from climate models. For example, it referenced potential rises of 20 feet or more in the long term if major ice sheets like Greenland or Antarctica melted substantially. However, no specific timeline like "Florida underwater by 2020" was stated. Posted by: Clyde Shelton at August 01, 2025 02:02 PM (P5BPp) 407
Yeah yeah … before we wet our drawers with excitement, let's remember IT AIN'T FINAL YET! ...
"If finalized, the proposal would repeal all resulting greenhouse gas emissions regulations for motor vehicles and engines ... " Wait until the Fat Lady sings, 'kay ... Posted by: Dr_No at August 01, 2025 05:13 PM (ayRl+) 408
And the Eco-Freaks are Whining and going to court since their totally Sore Losers and Spoiled to used to getting Clinton(Bill)Obama and Biden to do their bidding
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