America Should Have A Longer Memory

America and Americans are famously forgiving. After a few fits and starts, our relationship with Great Britain became a pillar of our foreign policy. Our own War Of The Southern Rebellion was brutal and cruel, but aside from mostly friendly differences, we are one nation. Japan and Germany were bitter enemies, yet 10 years after WWII had ended we were well on our way to becoming loyal diplomatic and trade partners with both countries. Even Vietnam, whose conduct after we signed a treaty and left was reprehensible, is now a trading partner and a travel destination for Americans!

And terrorist groups get off just as easily. Hezbollah killed 241 Americans in 1983, and continued their attacks on America for years, yet they are still around! Iran kidnapped 66 American diplomats and kept them as hostages for 444 days, then spent the next 45 years attacking America whenever it could through its terrorist proxies (like Hezbollah!).

And we mostly just went about our business, because none of these attacks were existential threats to us, and certainly not to the homeland. Even September 11th's attacks quickly faded into the past, and instead of hunting down every al Qaeda member on earth, we mostly just droned the obvious ones. And now, even our president is lauding a former al Qaeda member as some sort of Syrian Thomas Jefferson.

But maybe that isn't such a good idea. Having a long memory of our enemies and their attacks seems to be a strong indicator of cultural and social strength. Having a commitment to punishing their transgressions against our country and people, and more importantly, never forgetting seems to be a wiser approach than our culturally embedded attitude of almost instant forgiveness.

For instance:

This flight instructor was either a moron, or was purposefully obtuse, yet the worst we did was revoke his work permit?

Vueling pilot of plane that saw Jewish kids removed was flight instructor of two 9/11 terrorists

According to his book, Marwan al-Shehhi and Mohamed Atta, hijackers of United Airlines Flight 175 and American Airlines Flight 11, respectively, were entrusted to him by the aviation academy after they “paid hefty sums of money to get the best instructors.”
Chirivellas described them as “normal,” but noted that they had an aggressive attitude, short tempers, and a strong interest in Boeing commercial flights. “I didn’t understand at the time their interest in those planes, when they couldn’t even pass the basic theoretical exams.”
Only an hour after the September 11 attacks, Chivirellas was called by the aviation academy about an FBI investigation that involved two of his students. “When it was confirmed that they performed the attack, I felt shivers down my spine.”
The official investigation declared that there was no connection between Chivirellas and the terrorists, and that he trained them without knowing their real intentions. Still, his work permit for the United States was revoked once he had to renew it after the attacks.

If he was guiltless, then why did we revoke his permit? And if he had some culpability, why is he not in Guantanamo? Or dead?

Israel sees these issues very differently. For instance, after the murders of 11 Israeli athletes and coaches at the Munich Olympics in 1972 by the Palestinian terrorist organization Black September, Israel spent years chasing the organizers.

And after the catastrophe of October 7th, Israel has clearly and publicly embarked on a comprehensive program to kill every single person involved in its planning and execution. That will go a long way towards forging a national consensus, and perhaps allowing some sort of acceptance of the many failures in policy that led to the attacks.

Perhaps it is time for America to remember the many fallen, and instead of moving on, exact a price for every single American killed.

And if that means decapitating Iran? Well, as they say, revenge is a dish best eaten cold.

Posted by: CBD at 12:00 PM

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1 Democrats Propaganda Ministry would change it if they did

Posted by: Skip at July 27, 2025 12:01 PM (+qU29)

2 Nooded.

Posted by: Nazdar at July 27, 2025 12:02 PM (NcvvS)

3 Happy Sunday!

Posted by: Caf at July 27, 2025 12:02 PM (/+mVZ)

4 The old Soviet joke,
The Future we know, it's the past that changes
is true today

Posted by: Skip at July 27, 2025 12:03 PM (+qU29)

5
g'early afternoon, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 27, 2025 12:04 PM (tljrc)

6 The most current short memory and being too nice that pisses me off is Mogadishu. It definitely has come back to bite us in the ass.

Posted by: polynikes at July 27, 2025 12:05 PM (VofaG)

7 We have no long memory because there's too much money to be made working with out enemies.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at July 27, 2025 12:05 PM (0eaVi)

8 I can't wait to see the isolationists and Code Pinkers show up here. This kind of talk gets one labeled a "warmonger" around these parts.

America should have a longer memory. But it doesn't, and it will not happen.

Posted by: Cow Demon at July 27, 2025 12:06 PM (vm8sq)

9 For the love of God we elected a Islam praising guy whose name was Barack Hussein and whose father and step father were Muslim and who went to a Muslim school a mere 7 years after 9/11.

Posted by: polynikes at July 27, 2025 12:08 PM (VofaG)

10 Some here, in our government are already trying to get us to "move past" the criminal acts done by the Obama cabal. Those are, sadly, nominally "on our side."

The left OTOH is actively fighting it at every level.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 27, 2025 12:08 PM (Q4IgG)

11 Best SERVED cold.

Posted by: scottst at July 27, 2025 12:09 PM (oI2Vm)

12 10 Some here, in our government are already trying to get us to "move past" the criminal acts done by the Obama cabal. Those are, sadly, nominally "on our side."

The left OTOH is actively fighting it at every level.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 27, 2025 12:08 PM (Q4IgG)

The same that believe the violence of the left is free speech, but the speech of those who want to protect their constitutional rights is violence.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 27, 2025 12:10 PM (ynpvh)

13 The best argument against a democracy is a five minute conversation with your average voter .

I think that has been attributed to Winston Churchill.

Posted by: polynikes at July 27, 2025 12:10 PM (VofaG)

14 13 The best argument against a democracy is a five minute conversation with your average voter .

I think that has been attributed to Winston Churchill.

Posted by: polynikes at July 27, 2025 12:10 PM (VofaG)

He also said of capitalism: It's a terrible system, but much better than alternatives...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 27, 2025 12:11 PM (ynpvh)

15 Capitalists will sell the rope that hangs them. We have too many useful idiots that cling to luxury beliefs about biting the hand that feeds them.

We are Dubai, where all the workers are serfs to poolside princes and princesses who never lift anything heavier than their credit cards.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at July 27, 2025 12:12 PM (wBaIH)

16 CBD… I see how you snuck that misinformation in there! That was the war of northern aggression, not the war of southern rebellion… and Abe Lincoln was a tyrant!!!! ;-)

But seriously… Israel can’t afford to have a short memory. For them it’s a matter of survival… for us being much bigger and in a better neighborhood of the world we can get away with being more sloppy. Heck I think I pay attention but I’d never heard the name Ivan Chirivella. Shame on me and the press… mostly the press. Yes we’re too nice

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 27, 2025 12:12 PM (OW907)

17 Check your hoses, gentlemen

@EpochTimes 9m
Millions of HydroTech Hoses Recalled After Hundreds Burst, Leaving at Least 29 People Injured

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 27, 2025 12:12 PM (mlg/3)

18 I remember when there was a guy who owned an island, and he stocked it with underaged children, so the richest and most powerful men (and women) could have sex with them.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 12:13 PM (e+Yrg)

19 Check your hoses, gentlemen

@EpochTimes 9m
Millions of HydroTech Hoses Recalled After Hundreds Burst, Leaving at Least 29 People Injured
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 27, 2025 12:12 PM (mlg/3)

Lesson: Don't have sex with your HydroTech hose.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 12:14 PM (e+Yrg)

20 15 Capitalists will sell the rope that hangs them. We have too many useful idiots that cling to luxury beliefs about biting the hand that feeds them.

We are Dubai, where all the workers are serfs to poolside princes and princesses who never lift anything heavier than their credit cards.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at July 27, 2025 12:12 PM (wBaIH)

Something about happily sell you the rope on Friday that will be used to hang them on Sunday...or something like that...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 27, 2025 12:14 PM (ynpvh)

21 9
'For the love of God we elected a Islam praising guy whose name was Barack Hussein'

Who is this 'we'? That was done by a bunch of people who subsequently burnt any national ties between them and me.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 27, 2025 12:15 PM (3wi/L)

22 19 Check your hoses, gentlemen

@EpochTimes 9m
Millions of HydroTech Hoses Recalled After Hundreds Burst, Leaving at Least 29 People Injured
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 27, 2025 12:12 PM (mlg/3)

Lesson: Don't have sex with your HydroTech hose.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 12:14 PM (e+Yrg)

Not when there are toasters available.

Posted by: Toaster F**kers Union at July 27, 2025 12:15 PM (ynpvh)

23 Trust but verify, Ronnie Raygun.

Posted by: Elrond Hubbard at July 27, 2025 12:16 PM (P0m9n)

24 23 Trust but verify, Ronnie Raygun.

Posted by: Elrond Hubbard at July 27, 2025 12:16 PM (P0m9n)

Why do you think his SDI was called "Star Wars"?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 27, 2025 12:18 PM (ynpvh)

25 I blame George W

Posted by: Pete Bog at July 27, 2025 12:19 PM (rkb3z)

26 I blame George W
Posted by: Pete Bog

Well, it's a starting point, I suppose.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 27, 2025 12:19 PM (mlg/3)

27 Perhaps it is time for America to remember the many fallen, and instead of moving on, exact a price for every single American killed.

A lot to be said for that.
But I'm reminded of what Coolidge.said, "The chief business of the American people is business." He was right...but we cannot forget those who have wronged us.
Also, how we treat nation states after conflicts is different than non-state actors.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 27, 2025 12:20 PM (W/lyH)

28 Not when there are toasters available.
Posted by: Toaster F**kers Union at July 27, 2025 12:15 PM (ynpvh)

I mean, the things have two slots... Two!

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 12:20 PM (e+Yrg)

29 George Westinghouse?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 27, 2025 12:20 PM (63Dwl)

30 28 Not when there are toasters available.
Posted by: Toaster F**kers Union at July 27, 2025 12:15 PM (ynpvh)

I mean, the things have two slots... Two!

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 12:20 PM (e+Yrg)

Sometimes four...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 27, 2025 12:20 PM (ynpvh)

31 Sometimes four...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

What is the law?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 27, 2025 12:21 PM (mlg/3)

32 22 19 Check your hoses, gentlemen

The hose of the Paolo is, how you say, constantly checked.

Posted by: The Paolo at July 27, 2025 12:21 PM (PiwSw)

33
But I'm reminded of what Coolidge.said, "The chief business of the American people is business."

Monkey business.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 27, 2025 12:22 PM (63Dwl)

34
What is the law?
Posted by: weft cut-loop

Are we not men?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 27, 2025 12:23 PM (63Dwl)

35 Luke 16:13 ¶ No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Posted by: Elrond Hubbard at July 27, 2025 12:23 PM (P0m9n)

36 31 Sometimes four...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

What is the law?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 27, 2025 12:21 PM (mlg/3)

Judge Dredd

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 27, 2025 12:24 PM (ynpvh)

37 Monkey business.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 27, 2025 12:22 PM

We’re talking about Gary Hart?

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 27, 2025 12:25 PM (ZtAny)

38 Also, how we treat nation states after conflicts is different than non-state actors.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 27, 2025 12:20 PM (W/lyH)

Sure, but I have a hard time finding room to concern myself with foreign battles happening on the other side of the globe, when we have a government that will kill its own Presidents, candidates for President, take shots at once and future Presidents... Not to mention overthrowing one in a setup, and trying to overthrow another in an even more preposterous setup.

Or we can get into releasing a virus on the world, killing thousands by stuffing them in nursing homes, or throwing people who walked through the Capitol in prison. Or people who protest abortions...

I could go on and on. I don't care what's happening in the rest of the world. We need to get our own shit in order.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 12:25 PM (8sydA)

39 I am very strongly in favor of the kind of punitive operations mentioned in this post. Afghanistan should have been a straightforward punitive expedition with no folderol about nation building.

Posted by: Paco at July 27, 2025 12:26 PM (mADJX)

40 Trebuchet them all, let God sort them out.

Posted by: Next2Nothing at July 27, 2025 12:26 PM (tA1/w)

41 "And after the catastrophe of October 7th, Israel has clearly and publicly embarked on a comprehensive program to kill every single person involved in its planning and execution. "

Which is exactly what should happen. Anyone even remotely responsible in any way for those attacks should be found and killed. If they are dead they will never be able to do anything remotely like the attack on October 7th.

This is what we should have done after 9/11 but bush and the deep state didn't want the fact that the house of saud was involved.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 27, 2025 12:26 PM (e5NfL)

42 Sometimes four...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 27, 2025 12:20 PM (ynpvh)

Look at Mr. Richie Rich over here.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 12:27 PM (8sydA)

43 The Left, by wanting to seize all power, become absolutely unaccountable, and wanting to kill the unbelieving normal people, is giving us a stark decision point.

They should go back to being Americans rather than barbarians.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 27, 2025 12:27 PM (u82oZ)

44 There's something to be said for carrying a grudge.

There's something else to be said for acting on it.

I'll note that a small, but growing majority of conservatives are looking for some retribution after all the shit that went down over the last 8 years. Simply exposing all the corruption that was instigated isn't going to be sufficient.

Heads must roll.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 27, 2025 12:28 PM (Q4IgG)

45 I am very strongly in favor of the kind of punitive operations mentioned in this post. Afghanistan should have been a straightforward punitive expedition with no folderol about nation building.
Posted by: Paco at July 27, 2025 12:26 PM (mADJX)

Funny how we're finding out how easily they were able to find and track Obama bin Laden's whereabouts... long before they decided to take him out.

It's almost like they WANTED a perpetual war.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 12:28 PM (8sydA)

46 This is what we should have done after 9/11 but bush and the deep state didn't want the fact that the house of saud was involved.
Posted by: Mister Scott

And PK, which would have made another mess, but actually would have addressed the f'ing source of the problem.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 27, 2025 12:30 PM (mlg/3)

47 Defenestration is an overlooked method of bringing miscreants to justice, at least in this country. Putin is way ahead of us on this. Would be a crying shame if some of the worst Covid offenders fell out of windows. We can work backwards from there.

Posted by: Look Out Below! at July 27, 2025 12:31 PM (G5+As)

48 Heads must roll.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 27, 2025 12:28 PM (Q4IgG)

Meanwhile, the perpetrators go on teevee, to be interviewed by other perpetrators, telling their audiences that Tulsi is lying about what happened.

It wasn't that Trump was colluding with the Russians, you see. It was that Russia bought thousands of dollars in Farcebook ads to try to influence the election!

So, nothing to see here. Move on dot org.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 12:31 PM (8sydA)

49 OT:

It has been a cool summer thus far in Portland, which has been a terrible disappointment to the local eco-nuts. (San Francisco is having the coldest summer in sixty years.)

One of eco-nuts' favorite slogans is "This will be the coldest summer of the rest of your life" - i.e. every summer will be hotter than the previous one until we all burn to a crisp.

They're not taking it well - one of the more prominent local eco-nuts exploded on Bluesky:

The unnecessary, worsening calamity we are forcing upon this planet all of its inhabitants, all to keep the machine chugging along and burn just a little more fossil fuel, is just so gut wrenching and infuriating and soul crushing

What occasioned this outburst?

There is some flooding in Northern China that required the evacuation of 19,000 people.

Big whoop.

He would be so much happier if Portland had a couple of weeks over 100 degrees, but it seems unlikely that he is going to get that this summer.

Posted by: The ARC Of History! at July 27, 2025 12:33 PM (xTIDn)

50 This is what we should have done after 9/11 but bush and the deep state didn't want the fact that the house of saud was involved.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 27, 2025 12:26 PM (e5NfL)

According to some, Saudi Arabia was behind the Las Vegas massacre too.

There's another event that's been memory holed.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 12:33 PM (8sydA)

51 Interesting. Iran thinks Israel was successful in taking out its nuke program through the use of occult powers and the services of evil jinn.

https://tinyurl.com/c95bn5e3

Posted by: Paco at July 27, 2025 12:34 PM (mADJX)

52 9/11 was financed by Saud and engineered by PK, yet we spent our efforts in Afg and IQ.

Makes total sense.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 27, 2025 12:34 PM (mlg/3)

53 I blame George W
Posted by: Pete Bog

Well, it's a starting point, I suppose.
Posted by: weft cut-loop

After 9-11 there were infinite options -
- He chose to open the floodgates of immigration in response. Which is a very odd choice when dealing with a culture that has characteristics summerized as 'terrorism'.

*Maybe Bubba brought in shitloads of Somalis and Haitians before that?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 27, 2025 12:34 PM (/lPRQ)

54 What is PK?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 27, 2025 12:35 PM (63Dwl)

55 After 9-11 there were infinite options -
- He chose to open the floodgates of immigration in response. Which is a very odd choice when dealing with a culture that has characteristics summerized as 'terrorism'.

Yeah, I would not have predicted after 9/11 that our response would be to allow the Muslim population of the United States to double in the following ten years.

Posted by: The ARC Of History! at July 27, 2025 12:36 PM (xTIDn)

56 It's almost like they WANTED a perpetual war. - BurtTC

Ain't it though?

Posted by: Paco at July 27, 2025 12:36 PM (mADJX)

57 Israel *did* decapitate Iran; almost everyone who was actually important in that government was taken out, but they were quickly replaced by those who were equally as bad. Khamenei is unimportant because he's just a sick old figurehead, their Joe Biden if you will. As soon as he dies, he'll be replaced by someone just as bad but more competent.

Many like to fantasize about "regime change" - that can only happen with a ground invasion. And we've done all of that we're going to do in the middle east.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 27, 2025 12:36 PM (uWKK8)

58 we elected

Their Democracy installed.
Our Republic failed.

Posted by: DaveA at July 27, 2025 12:36 PM (FhXTo)

59 England is already lost. They went from Richard the Lion Heart to Charles the Incompetent.

Posted by: Ron at July 27, 2025 12:38 PM (KDtr3)

60 On a positive note - Californians may now have caseloads of ammo delivered to their door.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 27, 2025 12:39 PM (/lPRQ)

61 Meanwhile, the perpetrators go on teevee, to be interviewed by other perpetrators, telling their audiences that Tulsi is lying about what happened.

It wasn't that Trump was colluding with the Russians, you see. It was that Russia bought thousands of dollars in Farcebook ads to try to influence the election!

So, nothing to see here. Move on dot org.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 12:31 PM (8sydA)

I’ve stopped following the story because my blood pressure can’t handle all the lying. The talking point that almost causes me an aneurysm is that Marco Rubio agreed Russia tried to influence the 2016 election (in his senate report of 2017) so obviously Tulsi is smoking something and/or lying now. I can’t take this level of obfuscation and deception and conflating of separate things…. And I know nothing will happen so I’ll spare myself the high BP

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 27, 2025 12:39 PM (ANuwa)

62 Khamenei is unimportant because he's just a sick old figurehead, their Joe Biden if you will. As soon as he dies, he'll be replaced by someone just as bad but more competent.

Yeah, Israel has learned that political people can be replaced - technical people less so.

Israel successfully killed every prominent and every not-so-prominent nuclear scientist in Iran during its campaign.

It is hoped that young smart Iranians will be less than enthusiastic to go into nuclear work after this.

Posted by: The ARC Of History! at July 27, 2025 12:41 PM (xTIDn)

63 It wasn't that Trump was colluding with the Russians, you see. It was that Russia bought thousands of dollars in Farcebook ads to try to influence the election!

So, nothing to see here. Move on dot org.
Posted by: BurtT
===

And that basement server pinging Russia !!!

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 27, 2025 12:41 PM (/lPRQ)

64 done after 9/11 but bush and the deep state didn't want the fact that the house of saud was involved.

Name one in operation that isn't dead in the desert. Recycled thru Iraqi dogs. In Guantanamo. etc.

Keeping the GWOT right sized for everybody was always going to be a problematic exercise.

Posted by: DaveA at July 27, 2025 12:41 PM (FhXTo)

65
The US can afford to be magnanimous. Israel can't. The first time Israel loses a war will be the last time. Complete debellation of the Jewish state. The very best its citizens can hope for is expulsion. More likely it will be 10/7 writ large.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 27, 2025 12:42 PM (HZi96)

66 So I see a story out today that John Bolton, while working for Trump, actually helped Brennan push the Russian collusion story. What a fucking traitor.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 27, 2025 12:44 PM (uWKK8)

67 What is PK?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

Pakistan.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 27, 2025 12:44 PM (mlg/3)

68 Tom Servo

At least make Bolton shave the mustache.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 27, 2025 12:45 PM (u82oZ)

69
Israel's conquerors will start killing like foxes in a hen house, in a frenzy of pure murderous bloodlust. So if Israel is ruthless about hunting down its enemies, there's a very good reason.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 27, 2025 12:46 PM (HZi96)

70 It's almost like they WANTED a perpetual war. - BurtTC
---------
Ain't it though?
Posted by: Paco at July 27, 2025 12:36 PM (mADJX)

Totally unrelated I'm sure, but John "Don't Call Me Michael" Bolton is now barking about what a lying liar Tulsi is.

Thanks for letting us know you were in on it, you freak.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 12:46 PM (AtFJ+)

71 The US can afford to be magnanimous. Israel can't. The first time Israel loses a war will be the last time. Complete debellation of the Jewish state.

The thing that blows my mind is that there are leftists living in Israel who cheer for that outcome. Usually when you're being directly shot at you have a much different opinion of those committing the crime.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 27, 2025 12:47 PM (QZThv)

72 revenge is a dish best eaten cold

= =

One does not "eat" revenge. One serves it.

Posted by: Khan Noonian Singh at July 27, 2025 12:49 PM (m0WlR)

73 66 So I see a story out today that John Bolton, while working for Trump, actually helped Brennan push the Russian collusion story. What a fucking traitor.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 27, 2025 12:44 PM (uWKK

He wrote a book about it called "The Room Where it Happened". I've had it for a couple of years but haven't read it yet.

Posted by: Reforger at July 27, 2025 12:49 PM (TOnMl)

74 41 "And after the catastrophe of October 7th, Israel has clearly and publicly embarked on a comprehensive program to kill every single person involved in its planning and execution. "
----

Not enough for that one. It's time for Israel to start reclaiming it's land. West Bank and Gaza is a start. The Gazan's hate Israelis; they don't belong in Israel they belong with their muslim brothers.
They are kindred spirits and should bear each others needs.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 27, 2025 12:49 PM (WAasH)

75 Keeping the GWOT right sized for everybody was always going to be a problematic exercise.
Posted by: DaveA at July 27, 2025 12:41 PM (FhXTo)

It's even harder to figure out how to make it all work, when you were supporting one group of freedom fighters, then when those same fellas fly planes into your buildings, you now declare them the worst of the worst, and then only two decades later, support them as the good guys in Syria who need our help to make sure Assad stays overthrown.

Oh, and same fellas who are chopping off the heads of Christians in country, as we speak.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 12:50 PM (AtFJ+)

76 Tolerance and forgiveness are very much overrated. Both are used against the goodness of the conservative heart and the stupidity of the leftist brain.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at July 27, 2025 12:51 PM (17s+e)

77 The Obama coup participants run to the media to get their narrative out and in the public sphere. Of course the media's more than happy to oblige since they were part of the op. A few of their piss ants have been hit with legal judgements that have cost their employer's plenty, but I would rather see orange jumpsuits and prison than fines.

Same for the Obama cabal. Professional, reputational ruin is all well and fine, but it does not go the extra mile necessary to properly punish people who essentially overthrew the government.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 27, 2025 12:53 PM (Q4IgG)

78 >>> America Should Have A Longer Memory

Yup. Too many have already forgotten what the Junta did to Trump after they took power.
Endless investigations from multiple jurisdictions (all coordinated), depositions, bookings and mug shots, raids on family homes, and a head shot while security was conveniently very lax (as arranged by the Junta).

But, you dare not even think of doing that to Obam because no one ever charged a former President before.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 27, 2025 12:54 PM (/lPRQ)

79 I did not know there was an airline called Vueling. Where is it based?

Sounds like this pilot needs plumbotherapy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 27, 2025 12:56 PM (Hyyh7)

80 Keeping the GWOT right sized for everybody was always going to be a problematic exercise.
Posted by: DaveA

The USADE budget was bigger than the GWOT budget.
We forced them to take our money at gunpoint.

Another odd response to 9-11.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 27, 2025 12:56 PM (/lPRQ)

81 But, you dare not even think of doing that to Obam because no one ever charged a former President before.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 27, 2025 12:54 PM

Cut. Jib. Newsletter?

Posted by: Denizens of Democratic Underground at July 27, 2025 12:56 PM (0sNs1)

82 Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Posted by: toby928 at July 27, 2025 12:56 PM (jc0TO)

83 >>>The thing that blows my mind is that there are leftists living in Israel who cheer for that outcome. Usually when you're being directly shot at you have a much different opinion of those committing the crime.
Posted by: Ian S
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Human condition is elliptical. There will always be; here, Russia, China, anywhere there is a cohesive group of humans there will be 30% forming the ellipse. We don't roll like a Goodyear tire. Not knowing how to deal with it prevents us from progressing to the next level.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 27, 2025 12:57 PM (WAasH)

84 The Obama coup participants run to the media to get their narrative out and in the public sphere. Of course the media's more than happy to oblige since they were part of the op. A few of their piss ants have been hit with legal judgements that have cost their employer's plenty, but I would rather see orange jumpsuits and prison than fines.

Same for the Obama cabal. Professional, reputational ruin is all well and fine, but it does not go the extra mile necessary to properly punish people who essentially overthrew the government.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 27, 2025 12:53 PM (Q4IgG)

It's not just that they run to the news, Brennan and Psaki both WORK for NBC! They ARE the media!!

Which makes you wonder, who really controls NBC, and will we ever learn their names.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 12:57 PM (mNhIh)

85 Lot of blame to go around.
We need to stay out of wars that are none of our business.
We should not involve ourselves in other countries elections.
We should not allow foreign people in this country who want us destroyed. Like college professors and so called students.
Borders closed. Only people who come in have to do it the legal way. A neutral press. Strong laws against sedition.
Well, that's a start.

Posted by: Case at July 27, 2025 12:58 PM (ilX37)

86 66 So I see a story out today that John Bolton, while working for Trump, actually helped Brennan push the Russian collusion story. What a fucking traitor. - Tom Servo

Even before his falling out with Trump, Bolton always struck me as a crank, a highly unreliable egotist with a very short fuse.

Posted by: Paco at July 27, 2025 01:00 PM (mADJX)

87 Speaking of short memories, is there no love for the Colorado Rockies after their 18-0 loss to the Orioles?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 27, 2025 01:01 PM (0sNs1)

88 I Meme Therefore I Am
@ImMeme0

“I’m going to bomb the plane. Death to America. Death to Trump. Allahu Akbar!”

— shouted by a Muslim aboard an easyJet flight from London to Glasgow today, which had to be diverted after he made the bomb threat.

They ALL hate us!
https://tinyurl.com/2sn97jd8

Posted by: redridinghood at July 27, 2025 01:02 PM (NpAcC)

89 Which makes you wonder, who really controls NBC, and will we ever learn their names.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 12:57 PM

* cackles *

* wing flaps in unison *

Posted by: Big Penguin at July 27, 2025 01:02 PM (0sNs1)

90 As agitated as I am about justice being denied, I do (sort of) understand the methodical nature Trump's administration is taking. They have to. Any charge brought has to be, literally, undeniably airtight. Any defensive maneuvering through legal loopholes needs to be countered beforehand. And even if all that succeeds, where does the administration go to get the proverbial "fair trial?"

I'm thinking they need to go the military tribunal route at Gitmo.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 27, 2025 01:03 PM (Q4IgG)

91 Borders closed. Only people who come in have to do it the legal way. A neutral press. Strong laws against sedition.
Well, that's a start.
Posted by: Case at July 27, 2025 12:58 PM (ilX37)

I don't tend to get worked up by the notion that companies want to hire foreigners over Americans, because there's always two sides to these arguments.

However... if... IF you are going to allow foreigners to come in, they have to be able to pay their own way. This country's expensive to live in. Do you have the means to support yourself and your family? Then sure, come on in. We got some paperwork for you though.

If you can't, then yes. The border's closed.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 01:03 PM (mNhIh)

92 The United States would rather move on than remember an atrocity.
What is that saying about those that forget history?

We should remember and take the necessary steps to prevent it again. Whether it is 9/11 or Covid or the 2020 election theft.

And seriously, us on the right should not be complacent with Trump in office. Look at everything the judiciary is doing to prevent his policies from taking effect. If this were the Democrats, all their politicians would be screaming at the top of their lungs and passing any and all legislation to get what they want.
Republicans cannot play Mr Nice Guy anymore. Fight for you know who's sake. Do you not think the Democrats would not be the first to put you against the wall if they ever get control of all branches of government?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 27, 2025 01:04 PM (Jm6kM)

93 Perhaps it is time for America to remember the many fallen, and instead of moving on, exact a price for every single American killed.

What is America? I asked a lot of people what is uniquely American and the only answer I had was that we are a pluralist society. That means that there is no predominant culture, nothing binds us together, we are a competing colonies not a country.

All of the US's foreign policies and enemies are defined by London, Brussels, Davos, Tel Aviv and to some extent Beijing.

Maybe Trump will winnow that list down, but Trump is stymied by the Communists and Globalists that is the Uniparty.

In summary, American culture has absolutely nothing to do with what Babylon DC ends up implementing or promoting.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 27, 2025 01:06 PM (a4flb)

94 Speaking of short memories, is there no love for the Colorado Rockies after their 18-0 loss to the Orioles?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 27, 2025 01:01 PM (0sNs1)

Guess they were still celebrating after taking two of three from the Cardinals last week.

A once great franchise decided they needed a diversity hire manager, so no one would question why they have a bunch of old white guys tossing batting practice to opponents.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 01:06 PM (mNhIh)

95 It may not be possible to prosecute him but we could
de-monetize him
de-bank him
deport him
exile him.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 27, 2025 01:07 PM (WAasH)

96 I'm watching the Tour de France out my window!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at July 27, 2025 01:07 PM (FOLLH)

97 Hoping things will be better "next time" is not a proven road to success.

Posted by: Kurtz at July 27, 2025 01:07 PM (eBf9H)

98 I keep seeing everywhere, the Dan Bongino is pissed. That he's now seen the files on what the FBI has been up to, and he'll "never be the same."

That's great, Dan. But the ol' "I've seen the file" routine isn't quite as effective for you as it once was.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 01:10 PM (mNhIh)

99 86 Even before his falling out with Trump, Bolton always struck me as a crank, a highly unreliable egotist with a very short fuse.

Posted by: Paco at July 27, 2025 01:00 PM

I always saw him as someone who wanted constant war. He is sick. Yeah, back in the Bush days he was good against the Democrats but that was it.
Now that the US has enough of forever wars he and his mustache must be sidelined.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 27, 2025 01:11 PM (Jm6kM)

100 It may not be possible to prosecute him but we could
de-monetize him
de-bank him
deport him
exile him.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 27, 2025 01:07 PM (WAasH)

And with Jen Psaki, she needs to be Pspanked.

I'll do it, if no one else will.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 01:11 PM (mNhIh)

101 I'm watching the Tour de France out my window!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at July 27, 2025 01:07 PM (FOLLH)

I used to love watching that event on TV! Beautiful views, amazing…. I loved broadcasters Phil Liggett and Bob Rolle… but I lost interest because they put it in some streaming platform I don’t have… and I’m convinced every single rider (except maybe not the domestiques) is doping

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 27, 2025 01:12 PM (WdMlw)

102 96 I'm watching the Tour de France out my window!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at July 27, 2025 01:07 PM

Nice!!!

I have not followed the Tour de France in years.
Is this the final leg or the start of the race?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 27, 2025 01:12 PM (Jm6kM)

103 The United States would rather move on than remember an atrocity. What is that saying about those that forget history?

Really? Then why do people "Remember the Alamo" but can't get within a decade of when Texas became a Republic? Why do we all know what December 7th means, but have no idea when VE or VJ happened?

America loves wallowing in our defeats and forgetting our victories, this is such a bizarre and predominant social pathology that most people seek defeat and are shocked by victory. We like to cheer underdogs and make villains out of the conquerors. The best and brightest are shamed and canceled while losers and scum are given front row seats and showered with praise.

Also, you have to be taught something before you can forget it. The past few generations know nothing except every possible thing to hate about their homeland.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 27, 2025 01:13 PM (a4flb)

104 I always saw him as someone who wanted constant war. He is sick. Yeah, back in the Bush days he was good against the Democrats but that was it.
Now that the US has enough of forever wars he and his mustache must be sidelined.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 27, 2025 01:11 PM (Jm6kM)

Was he though? Good against the Democrats?

I remember (there I go again) during the Bush Admin, the Democrats were launching offensive after offensive against the Bushies, and since I was a supporter back then, I was extremely frustrated that they rarely struck back.

It was as if they thought it was beneath them to get in the scrum with them. And so the '06 and '08 elections were unmitigated disasters for the R Party.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 01:13 PM (mNhIh)

105 I'm watching the Tour de France out my window!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at July 27, 2025 01:07 PM

Are you taunting them in an outrageous French accent?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 27, 2025 01:13 PM (0sNs1)

106 I'm watching the Tour de France out my window!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at July 27, 2025 01:07 PM (FOLLH)
******
Very cool.
Probably sipping champagne and eating croissants too.
I'm jealous.

Posted by: redridinghood at July 27, 2025 01:15 PM (NpAcC)

107 Hoping things will be better "next time" is not a proven road to success.
Posted by: Kurtz at July 27, 2025 01:07 PM

Ya gotta go with what ya got.

Posted by: Communists at July 27, 2025 01:15 PM (0sNs1)

108 NPR has an article asking how come the stock market is setting daily record highs when we have tariffs? All the experts said the opposite would happen. Lol.

But really guys, they’re like not at all biased.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 27, 2025 01:15 PM (Vvm2m)

109 Thx CBD. The attention span of the average American is that of a gnat. It will get only worse given the speed of info. You'd think it would make it easier to learn history, but TayTay, JLo and the rest are more important

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 27, 2025 01:18 PM (hIY2p)

110 105 I'm watching the Tour de France out my window!

Seriously? There's nothing on television worth watching?

Posted by: Paco at July 27, 2025 01:18 PM (mADJX)

111 I keep seeing everywhere, the Dan Bongino is pissed. That he's now seen the files on what the FBI has been up to, and he'll "never be the same."

I'm trying to understand what "never be the same" means in objective terms.

He once was diligent about exposing the rot, does that mean he will never be diligent about exposing that rot again?

That would make sense. Some bad actors probably approached him and got his mind right. Don't know if that involved abductions, fingernail pulling and blow torches.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 27, 2025 01:19 PM (a4flb)

112 I keep saying this but it seems no one hears what they listen to--if Israel, the first time there was a terror attack had retaliated as brutally as possible we wouldn't have witnessed this decades long charade.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at July 27, 2025 01:19 PM (hKoQL)

113 I'm watching the Tour de France out my window!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at July 27, 2025 01:07 PM (FOLLH)
******
Pogacar is either the greatest cyclist of all time or they have figured out a doping regimen even better than Lance Armstrong had.
I'm not sure which one it is.

Posted by: Florida Peasant at July 27, 2025 01:20 PM (Lo97M)

114
I cued it up, Gutfeld style:

I wonder, is Our Favorite President(tm) in a good mood?

https://is.gd/dYqbtp

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 27, 2025 01:20 PM (3TbF6)

115 And if that means decapitating Iran? Well, as they say, revenge is a dish best eaten cold.

Posted by CBD at 12:00 PM Comments
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Forget about the revenge. Believe them when they say "death to America."

הבא להרגך, השכם להרגו

One who rises up to kill you, rise up beforehand and kill him.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 27, 2025 01:20 PM (sTuNG)

116 That article on Conservative Treehouse explains it. Information is siloed. What Rubio could see as a Senator did not include the hidden stuff. But the DNI has access to all of it.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 27, 2025 01:20 PM (TEi+a)

117 “I’m going to bomb the plane. Death to America. Death to Trump. Allahu Akbar!”

— shouted by a Muslim aboard an easyJet flight from London to Glasgow today, which had to be diverted after he made the bomb threat.

I don't know how blowing up a London to Glasgow flight accomplishes death to either Trump or America, but these terrorists aren't known for being high IQ.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 27, 2025 01:22 PM (P9pDS)

118 Some bad actors probably approached him and got his mind right. Don't know if that involved abductions, fingernail pulling and blow torches.

I'm pretty sure part of any such rightness of mind would not include broadcasting on X that the rot is worse than anyone knows.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 27, 2025 01:23 PM (P9pDS)

119 Americans are bombarded with trivial nonsense and "alternative history" from our propaganda outfits daily. They've essentially rewritten much of recent history for the masses.

This business with Obama and his cabal is being reframed as we sit.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 27, 2025 01:24 PM (Q4IgG)

120 Forget about the revenge. Believe them when they say "death to America."

I'm getting fatigue on this trope. They have been saying that for fifty years or more.

The greatest threats, and by greatest I'm talking far and away the most immediate and destructive threats is in local, state and Fe'ral government.

Iran's imagined ambitions might be Tel Aviv's cat toy, but this "Death To America" bullshit manipulation to hate people that aren't bothering me is just tiresome.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 27, 2025 01:26 PM (a4flb)

121
Did we give anything to gaza two weeks ago and did they say thank you?

https://is.gd/qHnd0a

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 27, 2025 01:26 PM (3TbF6)

122 Pogacar is either the greatest cyclist of all time or they have figured out a doping regimen even better than Lance Armstrong had.
I'm not sure which one it is.
Posted by: Florida Peasant at July 27, 2025 01:20 PM (Lo97M)

I’m sure. He’s not the greatest ever. Did you know: Armstrong was tested regularly when he raced the tour and never failed a test? The dopers are way way ahead of the testers

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 27, 2025 01:27 PM (WdMlw)

123 We need more, "Perdicaris Alive or Raisuni Dead".
Selective culling. This has, somewhat, been Trump's style but he's getting too involved and less focused (as with the Houthis - there's a rooster in that bunch that needs a decapitation). What, for example, should be done with Iran the next time they kick up dust? Take out the Khomeini's and his top ten. Take out the front man you take out the show.

We don't want to fight but if you harm an American or want to blow up the earth you're dead.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 27, 2025 01:27 PM (WAasH)

124 Twinkletoes Timpon Walz has gone butch.

Dustin Grage@GrageDustin
BREAKING: Tim Walz just sent out this campaign text, which raises more violent rhetoric.
“Trump and his MAGA henchmen aren't going to go away willingly. That's why it's time to get up, get loud, and raise some hell.”

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Lying Dogface Pony Soldier at July 27, 2025 01:28 PM (L/fGl)

125 I'm pretty sure part of any such rightness of mind would not include broadcasting on X that the rot is worse than anyone knows.

Normally this would be true, but Bongino has been an entertainer for many years, and good at building an audience and better at keeping them.

That X post is years and years of habit to tease and promote the next broadcast segment and draw clicks.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 27, 2025 01:29 PM (a4flb)

126 Thx CBD. The attention span of the average American is that of a gnat. It will get only worse given the speed of info. You'd think it would make it easier to learn history, but TayTay, JLo and the rest are more important
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 27, 2025 01:18 PM (hIY2p)

Forget about pop culture, internet access has decreased our ability to research, absorb and retain information, and AI will further reduce our ability to sort, prioritize, analyze, and reason. We are rapidly outsourcing more and more of our cognitive function and skills, and it's not going to end well.

Posted by: Society is fucked and will only get more fucked at July 27, 2025 01:29 PM (TbWk/)

127 >>>Iran's imagined ambitions might be Tel Aviv's cat toy, but this "Death To America" bullshit manipulation to hate people that aren't bothering me is just tiresome.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
----

Remember Danny Pearl?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 27, 2025 01:31 PM (WAasH)

128 Americans are bombarded with trivial nonsense and "alternative history" from our propaganda outfits daily. They've essentially rewritten much of recent history for the masses.

This business with Obama and his cabal is being reframed as we sit.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
+++
Anything the dems get caught doing is old news, even if it happened yesterday. It's always time to put this behind us and move forward.
But they will even change the statute of limitations to go after Trump.

Posted by: Florida Peasant at July 27, 2025 01:31 PM (Lo97M)

129
President Trump is not happy, today. Iran is pissing him off. Venezuela is pissing him off, and so is hamas. And I suspect the idiots harping on the epstein hoax bullshit is annoying him.

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 27, 2025 01:33 PM (3TbF6)

130 CBD, you're spot on with your analysis and recommendation. We could take a page from the Leninist playbook used by our own infiltrated traitors and turn it to our national advantage: "No justice? No peace!" ... just sayin' ...

Posted by: Dr_No at July 27, 2025 01:33 PM (ayRl+)

131 >>>“Trump and his MAGA henchmen aren't going to go away willingly. That's why it's time to get up, get loud, and raise some hell.”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,
--------------------

He should be arrested for incitement along with Jasmine Crockett and Kajammi Brown Jackson.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 27, 2025 01:33 PM (WAasH)

132 Forget about pop culture, internet access has decreased our ability to research, absorb and retain information, and AI will further reduce our ability to sort, prioritize, analyze, and reason. We are rapidly outsourcing more and more of our cognitive function and skills, and it's not going to end well.

I expect the arrival of the Singularity at almost any moment.

Posted by: Paco at July 27, 2025 01:34 PM (mADJX)

133 I thought Musk was going to make grok intuitive. It's Not.
It spouts the same crap that's everywhere on line.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 27, 2025 01:36 PM (WAasH)

134
Notice how quickly that MN Deomcrat murder story disappeared? Two Democrats targeted for murder and the story went away in less than 72 hours.

But that stupidfucking epstein bullshit hoax won't die...

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 27, 2025 01:37 PM (3TbF6)

135 “Trump and his MAGA henchmen aren't going to go away willingly.

What does he mean by "go away"? They have a monopoly on inserting themselves into everyone else's business. MAGA is basically "Leave me out of your sinister, insane and depraved plans". MAGA wants to be as far away from Walz's demonic perverts as possible.

That's why it's time to get up, get loud, and raise some hell.”

Well, this should quickly settle the legal question of motive when MAGA individuals have to engage in some intense levels of self-defense.

Basically they are saying, surrender your lives, children and wealth to us or we will kill you.

Now, compare Walz's declaration of Civil War to Iran's "Death To America" slogan. Put that on your threat matrix and evaluate how much immediate effect and your inventory of response options to Walz's threats compared to Iran's slogan.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 27, 2025 01:37 PM (a4flb)

136 Tim Walz is simply one of the most absurd specimens of politician I have ever seen. He's like Zorro's alter-ego in Zorro, the Gay Blade.

Posted by: Paco at July 27, 2025 01:38 PM (mADJX)

137 Perhaps it is time for America to remember the many fallen, and instead of moving on, exact a price for every single American killed.
====

Oh noes! But our current limp appeasement-oriented foreign policy has had such great results!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 27, 2025 01:38 PM (JvZF+)

138 I thought Musk was going to make grok intuitive. It's Not.
It spouts the same crap that's everywhere on line.

Grok is not sentient, nor is it capable of wisdom. Its like going in to a university town and trying to talk current events with an NPC.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 27, 2025 01:39 PM (a4flb)

139
President Trump today on fake "wind" "energy": "You need subsidy for wind. And Energy should not need subsidy: with Energy you make money, you don't lose money."

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 27, 2025 01:40 PM (3TbF6)

140 Posted by: Soothsayer at July 27, 2025 01:20 PM (3TbF6

I didn't listen to the whole thing yet, but "I'm not happy" could be a kind of disarming thing for Trump to say, and at least the head of the European Commission smiled a bit. I think Trump could be quite effective negotiating with most women unless they've made their mind up to dislike him in advance . The "what you see is what you get " attitude could be appealing.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 27, 2025 01:40 PM (2GCMq)

141 @ 54 — What is PK?
___________________________

PsychoKinesis ... or, in SkreetTalk, movin' it wit'cho mine ... (yeah, I know)

Posted by: Dr_No at July 27, 2025 01:43 PM (ayRl+)

142 > “Trump and his MAGA henchmen aren't going to go away willingly. That's why it's time to get up, get loud, and raise some hell.”
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It's different when they say it.

It's also different when they act on it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 27, 2025 01:43 PM (Q4IgG)

143
I think President Trump is the BEST President we've ever had for Foreign Policy. No question about it: he is the best.

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 27, 2025 01:45 PM (3TbF6)

144 Another day older and deeper in debt after a grocery store run

Posted by: Skip at July 27, 2025 01:46 PM (+qU29)

145 And I suspect the idiots harping on the epstein hoax bullshit is annoying him.
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 27, 2025 01:33 PM (3TbF6)

So Epstein is a hoax now?

We all imagined the thing about rich and powerful men having sex with children?

Ok then.

Maybe Trump can reach down the pants of Macron's "wife," and when he feels a penis he can be mad about that too.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 01:46 PM (KwCuT)

146 All of the US's foreign policies and enemies are defined by London, Brussels, Davos, Tel Aviv and to some extent Beijing. ...
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 27, 2025 01:06 PM (a4flb)
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Batsh*t crazy idea.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 27, 2025 01:46 PM (JvZF+)

147 Remember Danny Pearl?

So we need to bomb Pakistan because Angelina Jolie starred in a film adaptation of Pearl's widow's book "A Mighty Heart"?

People do stupid things. Here we have a Princeton/Stanford grad who walked into a hornet's nest deliberately trying to get into trouble.

He is a classic example of FAFO .

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 27, 2025 01:47 PM (a4flb)

148 >>>President(tm) in a good mood?

https://is.gd/dYqbtp
Posted by: Soothsayer at July 27, 2025 01:20 PM (3TbF6)
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Don't know, went through seven picking out busses and motorcycles. Enough is enough.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 27, 2025 01:48 PM (WAasH)

149 Remember Danny Pearl?
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So we need to bomb Pakistan because Angelina Jolie starred in a film adaptation of Pearl's widow's book "A Mighty Heart"?

People do stupid things. Here we have a Princeton/Stanford grad who walked into a hornet's nest deliberately trying to get into trouble.

He is a classic example of FAFO .
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 27, 2025 01:47 PM (a4flb)

We named a harbor after him, what more could he want.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 01:48 PM (KwCuT)

150
Yeah, if it hasn't dawned on you yet: Most of what we *thought* we knew about the Epstein case is a Hoax.

Just like the Sean Coombs prosecution. 90% Bullshit. The DOJ is filled with Fucking Imbeciles.

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 27, 2025 01:49 PM (3TbF6)

151 He is a classic example of FAFO .
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
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Watch out for the doorknob.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 27, 2025 01:49 PM (WAasH)

152 Hey, CBD,

Yesterday, several of us were wondering if you or one of the COBs could add Ciampino to the Absent Friends list. It would be greatly appreciated.

TIA!!

Posted by: Brunnhilde at July 27, 2025 01:49 PM (3AwA+)

153 Batsh*t crazy idea.

Yeah, because the US independently found deep national interest in Ukraine/Russia's lover's quarrel.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 27, 2025 01:49 PM (a4flb)

154 I wonder if the average Leftist would take this deal:

We (the Right) will move on from the biggest Presidential scandal in this nation's history, an outgoing President deliberately sabotaging an incoming President, if you (the Left) will never, ever mention January 6 again.

Posted by: pookysgirl is pretty sure they won't at July 27, 2025 01:50 PM (Wt5PA)

155 Yeah, if it hasn't dawned on you yet: Most of what we *thought* we knew about the Epstein case is a Hoax.

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 27, 2025 01:49 PM (3TbF6)

I don't know what you thought you "knew" about Epstein, but what I know is there WERE girls and boys taken to the island, there were children all over his swanky New York apartment building, there were kids dressing up like cowboys and cowgirls on Epstein's ranch in New Mexico...

And the richest, most powerful people in the world partook in having sex with children.

That I know.

What our government did with all the files proving it all happened, that I don't know. Why Trump is lying and covering it all up, I don't know why he's doing that either.

But what you know, I suspect, isn't very much.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 01:52 PM (KwCuT)

156 Lost in all the noise is this fvcking pilot threw off his plane 50 kids on their way to summer camp.

Why?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 27, 2025 01:52 PM (JvZF+)

157 100%, CBD.

Posted by: Eromero at July 27, 2025 01:53 PM (jgmnb)

158 Iran's imagined ambitions might be Tel Aviv's cat toy, but this "Death To America" bullshit manipulation to hate people that aren't bothering me is just tiresome.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 27, 2025 01:26 PM (a4flb)
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Gey schluffen.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 27, 2025 01:54 PM (sTuNG)

159 No… Daniel Pearl did NOT deserve to have his head sawed off in the most brutal barbaric inhuman way possible.

To quote Joe Biden: Come on, man!

Don’t let the animals who did that off the hook morally. That was absolutely not FAFO…. It was brutality beyond imagination

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 27, 2025 01:54 PM (i5Vkf)

160 That article on Conservative Treehouse explains it. Information is siloed. What Rubio could see as a Senator did not include the hidden stuff. But the DNI has access to all of it.

Just like the GOP is trying to jam in amnesty as soon as they can, they are also working hard to eliminate the position of DNI.

The Uniparty prefers when people like Rubio were operating on bad/manipulated intelligence.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 27, 2025 01:55 PM (a4flb)

161 No… Daniel Pearl did NOT deserve to have his head sawed off in the most brutal barbaric inhuman way possible.

No one does, but getting parts of body sawed off is pretty much a daily thing in Mexico by the cartels.

What makes people think that all of life is a perpetual Hallmark Channel Movie?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 27, 2025 01:57 PM (a4flb)

162 The original American rabbit wise ass is 85 today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Wild_Hare

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 27, 2025 01:58 PM (5xuJ/)

163 What makes people think that all of life is a perpetual Hallmark Channel Movie?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 27, 2025 01:57 PM

Um, Hallmark Channel Movies?

Posted by: Tiffini from Houston at July 27, 2025 01:58 PM (0sNs1)

164 Iván Chirivella, the pilot who reportedly ordered Jewish children to be removed from a Vueling flight on Wednesday, taught two 9/11 hijackers

July 25, 2025 15:15

...kicked over 50 Jewish children off for allegedly singing in Hebrew ...
...French Jewish children aged between 13 and 15 removed from the Vueling Airlines flight in Valencia, Spain....
...mother of one of the children,... told i24 that the children sang until the flight crew told them to stop and threatened to call the police if they persisted....
...The children then reportedly listened but the police arrested the group instructor anyway and told them to exit the aircraft.

Vueling has denied allegations of “any form of discrimination” and said their removal had nothing to do with the fact they were Jewish. The airline said that the reason they were taken off the plane was because they had disrupted and interfered with safety equipment....

Spain is a very liberal state.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 27, 2025 01:58 PM (WAasH)

165 Yeah, because the US independently found deep national interest in Ukraine/Russia's lover's quarrel.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 27, 2025 01:49 PM (a4flb)
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The US cannot allow the use of Russian arms against civilian populations to successfully acquire territory in Europe.

We can argue how "deep" a national interest that is but there it is.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 27, 2025 01:58 PM (JvZF+)

166 We (the Right) will move on from the biggest Presidential scandal in this nation's history, an outgoing President deliberately sabotaging an incoming President, if you (the Left) will never, ever mention January 6 again.
Posted by: pookysgirl is pretty sure they won't at July 27, 2025 01:50 PM (Wt5PA)

That's like making a treaty with hamas. It'll be broken before the ink is dry.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at July 27, 2025 01:59 PM (g8Ew8)

167 The Spanish Inquisition isn't too far removed I guess

Posted by: Skip at July 27, 2025 02:00 PM (+qU29)

168 No one does, but getting parts of body sawed off is pretty much a daily thing in Mexico by the cartels.

What makes people think that all of life is a perpetual Hallmark Channel Movie?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 27, 2025 01:57 PM (a4flb)

Pretty sure they chopped it off with a scimitar or a similar instrument. There was another guy around that time who got it head sawed off with a dull kitchen knife, and then had the video posted everywhere.

But yeah, PJ Watson occasionally posts vids of the gals who go to third world shitholes, post on their Instagram how bad it is everyone is so prejudiced against the swarthy foreigners... and then get raped and killed by them.

Wish it never happened. You not going over there would have prevented it.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 02:00 PM (KwCuT)

169 1ST WORLD NOOD

Posted by: Skip at July 27, 2025 02:01 PM (+qU29)

170 The US cannot allow the use of Russian arms against civilian populations to successfully acquire territory in Europe.

We can argue how "deep" a national interest that is but there it is.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 27, 2025 01:58 PM (JvZF+)

I suppose that's true. But that's not what happened.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 27, 2025 02:02 PM (KwCuT)

171 One of my firm beliefs is that the most important job of any gov't is protecting the lives of their populace. And wreaking vengeance upon anyone/any country/any organization that decides to murder American citizens esp en masse.

It still chaps my rear that Saudi and Emirate royalty involved in the 9/11 massacre of American citizens are still above ground enjoying life and laughing.

The Israelis have the right idea of hunting down and killing all responsible for Munich and Oct 7.

And it whether or not the Saudis are allies or not. You don't get a free murder of American citizens.

They should be kidnapped, shot in the head and dropped in the Marianas Trench to rot.

Same for any other a-holes like them.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 27, 2025 02:02 PM (iJfKG)

172 The US cannot allow the use of Russian arms against civilian populations to successfully acquire territory in Europe.

We can argue how "deep" a national interest that is but there it is.

Says who? Why isn't Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, China, Japan, India, et al finding it their nation's business to disallow the Russians to occupy former territory?

But its OK for the US to blow up the Nordstream Pipeline destroying Germany's economy and overthrow the Libyan government to smuggle arms into Syria to overthrow the dentist.

I don't understand today's Moral Standards.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 27, 2025 02:04 PM (a4flb)

173 And it whether or not the Saudis are allies or not. You don't get a free murder of American citizens.

So when are you organizing a military invasion of Chicago to stop the slaughter there? Dozens shot and killed in Chicago (alone) each weekend is A-OK.

Selective outrage that seems to work hand-in-glove with the MIC.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 27, 2025 02:07 PM (a4flb)

174 >>>That's like making a treaty with hamas. It'll be broken before the ink is dry.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons
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The Cambodia v Thailand thread is from KT but it is a perfect illustration of that, negotiating with muslims and communists.
They always shake hand and agree on settlement then double their nefarious activity. Bastards.

https://tinyurl.com/zp7uhfa5

if the whole thread doesn't come up use xcancel

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 27, 2025 02:09 PM (WAasH)

175 The left has long memories, it's all about Jim Crow or racism or slavery or whatever other problem we actually solved. It's the current problems they don't keep any memory of.

Posted by: Drunken Yoda at July 27, 2025 02:10 PM (e5PCC)

176 Firing rockets into the interior of Russia seems stupid

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 27, 2025 02:11 PM (bXbFr)

177 171 One of my firm beliefs is that the most important job of any gov't is protecting the lives of their populace. And wreaking vengeance upon anyone/any country/any organization that decides to murder American citizens esp en masse.
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"Perdicaris Alive or Raisuni Dead"

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 27, 2025 02:12 PM (WAasH)

178 Well the socialists stole the country away from thf people along with commie party and the basques

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 27, 2025 02:13 PM (bXbFr)

179 Button up that little shit Zelenski, stop sending munitions and it will be over.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 27, 2025 02:14 PM (WAasH)

180 ...and expanding NATO after promising not to was a very bad idea.

Say, any talk of cleaning up elections floating around? Seems like if we don't, we are going to be right back in the same awful place we were within an election cycle or two.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at July 27, 2025 02:15 PM (vd6bO)

181 Hawaian judges are still on the warpath

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 27, 2025 02:16 PM (bXbFr)

182 Finland put a burr under his saddle.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 27, 2025 02:21 PM (WAasH)

183 I'm still in the basement. Today I am tearing up old boxes I had for things I bought. We, well I, have a crawlspace in the basement and I would keep boxes in case something would need to be returned.

So much styrofoam. So much cardboard. So many contractor bags.

At the very back of the crawlspace was an unopened, unmarked large box. I tore it open. Baby crib. I'll donate it and they can pitch it if they want.

Everyone have a happy Sunday.

CBC 'News' - Trade deal with the E.U.

Posted by: Stateless - HAPPY NOT HOMELESS! - New Life Creation 15.1 % at July 27, 2025 03:02 PM (jvJvP)

184 >>> The attention span of the average American is that of a gnat.

This is true for everyone.

It is why you must go to church weekly.
It is why they stopped replaying 9-11 video on 9-13.
It is why they they shouted Trump-Russia Collusion !!! 24-7 for four years.
It is why they sweep trannies commiting mass-murder under the rug.

It is why in a coup the first thing they take over is the state media, state run or not.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 27, 2025 03:07 PM (/lPRQ)

185 We won't get serious about executing bad guys (judicially or extrajudicially), or winning our wars or wiping out gangs... until the weaponization of empathy and compassion is terminated by the repeal of 19A. When we again have those who have for hundreds of millennia been selected for use of force instead of making babies - which is what women HAVE been selected for since we fell outta the trees, and before - we will again remove our enemies as they raise their heads. Until then? Not a chance.

Posted by: Alexander Scipio at July 27, 2025 04:03 PM (029Oi)

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