Alligator Alcatraz Airlines Begins Sending Illegals Back Home; Vance Predicts We May See Net <i>Negative</i> Immigration In the Next Year

Alligator Alcatraz Airlines Begins Sending Illegals Back Home; Vance Predicts We May See Net Negative Immigration In the Next Year

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said Friday that the Department of Homeland Security has started flying illegal immigrants out of his state's "Alligator Alcatraz" detention facility.
"I'm pleased to report that those flights out of Alligator Alcatraz by DHS have begun," DeSantis said, Fox News reported. "The cadence is increasing. We've already had a number of flights, in the last few days, we've had hundreds of illegals [that] have been removed from here."
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"The whole purpose is to make this be a place that can facilitate increased frequency and numbers of deportations of illegal aliens, and that is the goal. And one of the reasons why this was a sensible spot is because you have this runway that's right here. You don't have to drive them an hour to an airport. You go a couple thousand feet and they can be on a plane and out of here," DeSantis also said.

Vice President Vance thinks that we may see net negative migration -- outward migration -- this year.

Vice President JD Vance defended the Trump administration's immigration policies in a speech Wednesday, predicting that the United States was on the cusp of "net negative immigration."
Speaking at an artificial intelligence summit hosted by the All In Podcast and the Hill and Valley Forum in Washington, the vice president addressed conservative critics who claim the White House is not doing enough to fight illegal immigration.
Noting that the Trump administration has faced legal and practical struggles while pursuing its goal of 1 million deportations this year, Vance nevertheless said that if you consider the "net number" of deportations, the Trump administration has been "wildly successful."
"In 2025 we will have the first net negative immigration number in about 50 or 60 years in the United States," Vance said.

He also responded to a claim that Biden, get this, deported more illegals than Trump. He called that a "totally fake statistic," noting that Biden counted simple turn-arounds at the border as "deportations." That is, if you're turned away at the border, you're "deported."

We have never before counted simple turn-aways as "deportations."

This is the same fakery Obama perpetuated, in order to laughingly call himself "the Deporter In Chief" while flooding the country with illegals.

The left continues agitating for its antifa street militias to kill ICE by pushing hoaxes about people being "disappeared" by ICE.

That article recounts the Guatamalan liar who claimed her grandfather -- who had died peacefully of natural causes in 2019 -- had been "disappeared" by ICE two weeks ago.

It then cites a couple of other recent "disappearing" hoaxes:

In another hoax, Yuriana Julia "Juli" Pelaez Calderon, a 41-year-old illegal immigrant, was charged with conspiracy and making false statements for orchestrating a fake kidnapping by supposed ICE agents to scam donations and discredit federal law enforcement.
On June 30, her family and attorneys claimed she was ambushed at a Los Angeles Jack in the Box, taken to San Ysidro, and pressured to self-deport, sparking a GoFundMe campaign that raised $80 before being shut down. The family and their attorneys held press conferences, where their claims were eagerly repeated by local media.
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) denied the kidnapping claims, and surveillance footage and phone records confirmed the story was a hoax, showing Calderon freely leaving the restaurant.
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In another disturbing incident of disinformation, in a TikTok post with over 800,000 views, a woman says, "They're throwing the deportees out of the planes and into the ocean. [...] they're shackling people, flying out into open ocean and throwing them out. The flight patterns, there is people tracking them on this app, the flights going out with the deportees. Watching them go out to the open ocean and circle back. A family in Italy saw five shackled bodies wash up on the shore."
These claims have surged on social media since the original posting, and got millions of views before others posted comments noting that the claims were wholly unsubstantiated.

These hoaxes are spread to drive up leftwing enthusiasm and also to encourage the left's street assassins to start killing people. They intend to use hoaxes to win either by the ballot or the bullet.

Note that the leftwing media is not pushing back against this dangerous misinformation, offered WITHOUT EVIDENCE, at all, just like they never push back on any of the left's misinformation.

And speaking of the left encouraging its various foreign assassins and domestic terrorists to kill American police: One of the thugs who shot the off-duty CPB officer was cleared for entry into the country via a Zoom call.

AThe illegal immigrant accused of shooting an off-duty border officer in a Manhattan park was only vetted using Zoom before being released into the US under the Biden administration, The Post has learned.
Dominican Republic national Miguel Francisco Mora Nunez, 21, waltzed across the US-Mexico border into Arizona in April 2023 -- during the raging migrant crisis that saw federal agents take drastic measures in an attempt to free up resources.
That month alone, the US saw a wave of more than 183,000 migrants come across the southern border.
"The whole system was overwhelmed by what the Biden administration was allowing," Charles Marino, former senior law enforcement adviser to DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano, told The Post.
"The endgame was to facilitate the processing of as many illegals into the country as possible," Marino said.

They've all been vetted, doncha know.

Posted by: Ace at 03:20 PM

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1 First.

Posted by: Reforger at July 25, 2025 03:21 PM (sNI6D)

2 ☀️

Posted by: ... at July 25, 2025 03:21 PM (7HpjT)

3 Well, bye.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 25, 2025 03:21 PM (2UnvF)

4 th!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 25, 2025 03:22 PM (kgE5c)

5 Vance Predicts We May See Net Negative Immigration In the Next Year

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You know what's deflationary?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 03:22 PM (GBKbO)

6 "...You don't have to drive them an hour to an airport. You go a couple thousand feet and they can be on a plane and out of here," DeSantis also said.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE GERMANS DID TO ANNE FRANK!!!

REEEEEEE!!!!!

Posted by: leftists at July 25, 2025 03:24 PM (ULPxl)

7 6 "...You don't have to drive them an hour to an airport. You go a couple thousand feet and they can be on a plane and out of here," DeSantis also said.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE GERMANS DID TO ANNE FRANK!!!

REEEEEEE!!!!!
Posted by: leftists at July 25, 2025 03:24 PM (ULPxl)

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So...we should commit total war against all of South American until we place puppet governments and enforce Western values upon them in response?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 03:24 PM (GBKbO)

8 Here’s the priority in New York right now. The state legislature has a bill that bans ICE from wearing masks. That’s not the Bee. It’s the penis sippers in the NY State Legislature.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 25, 2025 03:25 PM (7PBzX)

9 You mean we're not really throwing illegals out over the ocean? Darn.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 25, 2025 03:25 PM (2UnvF)

10 people be shinin' on Shiner beer...what has the world come to?

Posted by: DanMan at July 25, 2025 03:25 PM (8uzBS)

11 I don't care about immigration. I care a lot about illegal immigration.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 25, 2025 03:25 PM (xcxpd)

12 I saw a clip of some local Miami “news” station complaining that the food there was sub-par. Sub-par!!!

Can you imagine? They’re not serving wagyu beef to illegals. I mean if this doesn’t prove Trump is Hitler I don’t know what will.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 25, 2025 03:25 PM (Vvm2m)

13 If I were stuck in CA I wouldn't mind being deported. I'd really like to see Argentina and Chile. Maybe Bolivia. If they added Per Diem I'd jump at the opportunity.

Posted by: pudinhead at July 25, 2025 03:25 PM (W3T6M)

14 "DeSantis is flying the illegals out."

Out of the country, or just out of alligator alcatraz? Does article make that clear?

Posted by: It Puts The gp In The Basket at July 25, 2025 03:26 PM (3kTgY)

15 "Hey look! They're flying all those people AWAY from Alligator Alcatraz!!"

Dems: Still, waaaaaa!!!

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 03:26 PM (krQz2)

16 So...we should commit total war against all of South American until we place puppet governments and enforce Western values upon them in response?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 03:24 PM (GBKbO)

South America isn't part of the West?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 25, 2025 03:26 PM (xcxpd)

17 Vance Predicts We May See Net Negative Immigration In the Next Year

Dayum! I need to stop up on pudding cups.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 25, 2025 03:26 PM (cYBz/)

18 Are the skies friendly?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 25, 2025 03:26 PM (63Dwl)

19 16 So...we should commit total war against all of South American until we place puppet governments and enforce Western values upon them in response?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 03:24 PM (GBKbO)

South America isn't part of the West?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 25, 2025 03:26 PM (xcxpd)

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They're in the western hemisphere, but do they have Western values?!

We must commit total war to make sure of it.

Because that's what we did to the people who killed Anne Frank.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 03:26 PM (GBKbO)

20 >>>TRUMP ~~DeSantis~~ is flying the illegals out.

FIFY. As far as I know, DeSantis is not in charge of DHS. Not a knock on DeSantis, just the way things are.

Posted by: No Name Today at July 25, 2025 03:27 PM (vlXMQ)

21 Move 'em on (Head 'em up)
Head 'em up (Move 'em on)
Move 'em on (Head 'em up)
Wetbacks!

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 25, 2025 03:27 PM (wVcYX)

22 Saw some illegals in Walmart. Wonder in their eyes.

Posted by: Mongo at July 25, 2025 03:27 PM (s9EN2)

23 > You go a couple thousand feet and they can be on a plane and out of here

Good sentiment, but needs a different word order.

Posted by: Pinochet Airlines at July 25, 2025 03:27 PM (qpyNK)

24 but who's gonna clean our fruit and harvest our toilets?

Posted by: gnats local 678 at July 25, 2025 03:27 PM (CWTWj)

25 Ugh! "Stock" up.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 25, 2025 03:27 PM (cYBz/)

26 11 I don't care about immigration. I care a lot about illegal immigration.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 25, 2025 03:25 PM (xcxpd)

I’m starting to care about all of it. Mamdani won in NYC because of legal immigration. The millions of h1bs here who have destroyed jobs for Americans in IT is all via legal immigration.

I want all of it ended. Or at least a welt cut.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (Vvm2m)

27 11 I don't care about immigration. I care a lot about illegal immigration.
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I care about both. We have a shit ton of people here that do not belong and show no inclination to become one of us. Let's close the doors for twenty years and focus on digesting what we've been fed.

Posted by: pudinhead at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (W3T6M)

28 I saw a clip of some local Miami “news” station complaining that the food there was sub-par. Sub-par!!!

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 25, 2025 03:25 PM (Vvm2m)
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One of the inmates asked for his stake Medium Rare--and it was MEDIUM!!

You would never accept this in any bistro the outside.

Fine-dining, my ass!

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (krQz2)

29 OUT: Helicopter rides
IN: C-130 rides

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (wtvvX)

30 I'm all for Just-In-Time deportations. Don't store them in inventory, just ship out as received.

Posted by: It Puts The gp In The Basket at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (3kTgY)

31 In another disturbing incident of disinformation, in a TikTok post with over 800,000 views, a woman says, "They're throwing the deportees out of the planes and into the ocean. [...] they're shackling people, flying out into open ocean and throwing them out. The flight patterns, there is people tracking them on this app, the flights going out with the deportees. Watching them go out to the open ocean and circle back. A family in Italy saw five shackled bodies wash up on the shore."

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I think someone needs to explain geography and ocean currents (and the limits on throwing people off of aircraft) to this nutjob.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (8avO+)

32 Why would we be flying illegal aliens all the way to the Mediterranean to chuck them out of a plane? There's a lot of ocean most of the way around our continent.

Posted by: huerfano at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (n2swS)

33
One of the thugs who shot the off-duty CPB officer was cleared for entry into the country via a Zoom call.

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(laughs and counts student loan bucks)

Posted by: California Community College ghost students. at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (lCaJd)

34 >>If I were stuck in CA I wouldn't mind being deported. I'd really like to see Argentina and Chile.

Chile is the shizz. You can live very well there on short money and there is some beautiful country.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (viF8m)

35 but who's gonna clean our fruit and harvest our toilets?
Posted by: gnats local 678 at July 25, 2025 03:27 PM (CWTWj)
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We're losing our asswipes.

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (krQz2)

36 > I'd really like to see Argentina and Chile.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 25, 2025 03:25 PM (W3T6M)

Argentina seems pretty good at the moment, under Milei.

The problem is that you can't count on that continuing.

Posted by: Pinochet Airlines at July 25, 2025 03:29 PM (qpyNK)

37 Only concentration camp in history where you can say "would you fly me to my home country" and you are put on a plane home

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 25, 2025 03:29 PM (hIY2p)

38 I care about both. We have a shit ton of people here that do not belong and show no inclination to become one of us. Let's close the doors for twenty years and focus on digesting what we've been fed.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (W3T6M)
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This. A million times, this.

Posted by: ballistic at July 25, 2025 03:30 PM (3BwY8)

39 If I were stuck in CA I wouldn't mind being deported.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (viF8m)
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You also might try Nevada. Or Arizona.

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 03:30 PM (krQz2)

40 Florida is aggressively pursuing illegals. The laws in Florida have all of law enforcement working together with DHS and the federal government to deport every illegal. That’s fairly unique to any other state. Heck, the RINO’s in the legislature tried to fight him on it. The rate at which people are getting deported is what caused that idiot Salazar to offer an amnesty bill with that dumbshit, Lawler.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 25, 2025 03:30 PM (7PBzX)

41 I saw a clip of some local Miami “news” station complaining that the food there was sub-par. Sub-par!!!

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 25, 2025 03:25 PM (Vvm2m)

It's The Holocaust all over again.

Posted by: ... at July 25, 2025 03:30 PM (7HpjT)

42 They're in the western hemisphere, but do they have Western values?!

We must commit total war to make sure of it.

Because that's what we did to the people who killed Anne Frank.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 03:26 PM (GBKbO)

they are third world countries not part of either major bloc in the 60s and 70s.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 03:30 PM (8avO+)

43 >>> Alligator Alcatraz Airlines Begins Sending Illegals Back Home; Vance Predicts We May See Net Negative Immigration In the Next Year

Are there any desolate islands in the central Atlantic to drop them off at?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 25, 2025 03:30 PM (/lPRQ)

44 >> 8 Here’s the priority in New York right now. The state legislature has a bill that bans ICE from wearing masks. That’s not the Bee. It’s the penis sippers in the NY State Legislature.

NYPD going to arrest ICE but not illegals? Bold plan, let's see how it works out.

Posted by: the dandy at July 25, 2025 03:31 PM (8l8nW)

45 I hope we are planting next gen trackers on these folks.

Posted by: Mongo at July 25, 2025 03:31 PM (s9EN2)

46 News: "Japanese walk" for fitness!

Squint your eyes with your fingers... "rook! I Japanese wark!"

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at July 25, 2025 03:31 PM (pbutw)

47 Argentina seems pretty good at the moment, under Milei.

The problem is that you can't count on that continuing.
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Now do America regarding TRUST.

Posted by: pudinhead at July 25, 2025 03:31 PM (W3T6M)

48 >>> 31 In another disturbing incident of disinformation, in a TikTok post with over 800,000 views, a woman says, "They're throwing the deportees out of the planes and into the ocean. [...] they're shackling people, flying out into open ocean and throwing them out. The flight patterns, there is people tracking them on this app, the flights going out with the deportees. Watching them go out to the open ocean and circle back. A family in Italy saw five shackled bodies wash up on the shore."

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I think someone needs to explain geography and ocean currents (and the limits on throwing people off of aircraft) to this nutjob.
Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (8avO+)

I don't know, some other Moron pointed out that these retarded hysterical stories could work to scare off even more people from coming here illegally.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 25, 2025 03:31 PM (ULPxl)

49 You also might try Nevada. Or Arizona.
Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 03:30 PM (krQz2)

We're full.

Posted by: Nevada at July 25, 2025 03:31 PM (sNI6D)

50 people be shinin' on Shiner beer...what has the world come to?

Not a big fan of Shiner Bock but some of their short-run "birthday beers" are really good.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 25, 2025 03:31 PM (/y8xj)

51 FWIW, undercovered story today,

"UPDATE: An HHS official just confirmed to me that 13,061 unaccompanied minors have actually been located.

ICE has also arrested 422 sponsors for involvement in suspected child abuse or other crimes are discovered.

The abuse is determined through a multi-faceted… https://t.co/o5IqKQQ7Z6

— Ali Bradley (@AliBradleyTV) July 24, 2025"

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 03:31 PM (ctrM5)

52 32 Why would we be flying illegal aliens all the way to the Mediterranean to chuck them out of a plane? There's a lot of ocean most of the way around our continent.

Posted by: huerfano at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (n2swS)

Hell, they're in ALLIGATOR Alley.

Just chuck 'em in the lake with a trebuchet.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 25, 2025 03:31 PM (wtvvX)

53 In another disturbing incident of disinformation, in a TikTok post with over 800,000 views, a woman says, "They're throwing the deportees out of the planes and into the ocean. [...] they're shackling people, flying out into open ocean and throwing them out. The flight patterns, there is people tracking them on this app, the flights going out with the deportees. Watching them go out to the open ocean and circle back. A family in Italy saw five shackled bodies wash up on the shore."

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I think someone needs to explain geography and ocean currents (and the limits on throwing people off of aircraft) to this nutjob.
Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (8avO+)
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Wow. The Democrats are desperate if they can't hire better trolls.

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 03:31 PM (krQz2)

54 Vance Predicts We May See Net Negative Immigration In the Next Year

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You know what's deflationary?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 03:22 PM (GBKbO)

An all nude episode of The View?

Posted by: Josephistan at July 25, 2025 03:32 PM (y9ksN)

55 Santiago is typical 3rd world. Some gorgeous areas in the downtown area and inner suburbs. And then shantytowns on the outskirts of the city. Driving in from the airport you see the gradual change between abject poverty to wealth.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 25, 2025 03:32 PM (Vvm2m)

56 Are there any desolate islands in the central Atlantic to drop them off at?

The Azores?

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at July 25, 2025 03:32 PM (pbutw)

57 They’re cutting off all federal benefits to illegal immigrants!! Reeeeeee!!

Oh wait, that’s true.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 25, 2025 03:32 PM (7PBzX)

58 Why would we be flying illegal aliens all the way to the Mediterranean to chuck them out of a plane? There's a lot of ocean most of the way around our continent.
Posted by: huerfano at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (n2swS)

She said they track the flights so they must be dropped into the Atlantic. So its a neat trick to reach Italy.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 03:32 PM (8avO+)

59 Horde Class Project:

Figure out mathematically how big a trebuchet has to be to launch illegals from Key West to Havana.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 25, 2025 03:33 PM (JBVNW)

60 Are there any desolate islands in the central Atlantic to drop them off at?

The Azores?
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at July 25, 2025 03:32 PM (pbutw)

Iceland.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 03:33 PM (8avO+)

61 people be shinin' on Shiner beer...what has the world come to?
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I live in Grand Rapids, pal. Beer City, USA.

Shiner's not bad, but I wouldn't miss it at all.

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 03:33 PM (krQz2)

62 >>> 44 8 Here’s the priority in New York right now. The state legislature has a bill that bans ICE from wearing masks. That’s not the Bee. It’s the penis sippers in the NY State Legislature.
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NYPD going to arrest ICE but not illegals? Bold plan, let's see how it works out.
Posted by: the dandy at July 25, 2025 03:31 PM (8l8nW)

Heh. Some may get Blue Flu; the ones who stick around to try arresting ICE are the ones who probably ought to be employed in something other than law enforcement.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 25, 2025 03:33 PM (ULPxl)

63 I don't know, some other Moron pointed out that these retarded hysterical stories could work to scare off even more people from coming here illegally.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
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Next Trump EO, after putting the Gulf of America on maps, he will require Google Earth to place a warning label on the US mainland map--

"Here be dragons!!!"

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 03:33 PM (ctrM5)

64 Ghost migrants in the sky.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 25, 2025 03:33 PM (63Dwl)

65 Of all the dumb screeches the left has come up with, comparing the deportations to Nazi Germany is the dumbest and screechiest.

Hint:

The Jews weren't trying to sneak IN to Nazi Germany, they were trying to sneak OUT and the Nazis wouldn't let them leave.

When they got caught, they were sent to death camps, not given a free plane ticket to another country.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 25, 2025 03:34 PM (qpyNK)

66 family in Italy saw five shackled bodies wash up on the shore."

Pinochet!!

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at July 25, 2025 03:34 PM (pbutw)

67 Where is this floating illegal alien app?

Posted by: Reforger at July 25, 2025 03:34 PM (sNI6D)

68 Let's close the doors for twenty years and focus on digesting what we've been fed.
Posted by: pudinhead
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Those Honduran tortillas go directly to your hips.

Posted by: wth at July 25, 2025 03:34 PM (v0R5T)

69 A few mid-Atlantic turnaround flights might serve to encourage others.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at July 25, 2025 03:34 PM (hlNLQ)

70 Why would we be flying illegal aliens all the way to the Mediterranean to chuck them out of a plane? There's a lot of ocean most of the way around our continent.
Posted by: huerfano at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (n2swS)

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And *who* could *watch that* that wasn't flying an aircraft trailing it.

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 03:34 PM (krQz2)

71 Are the skies friendly?

Like the oceans, the skies are always friendly. Right up until the moment they're not. Then you die.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 25, 2025 03:34 PM (/y8xj)

72 I don't know, some other Moron pointed out that these retarded hysterical stories could work to scare off even more people from coming here illegally.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 25, 2025 03:31 PM (ULPxl)

Even illegal psychopaths know bullshit like that isn't real.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 03:35 PM (8avO+)

73 Watching them go out to the open ocean and circle back. A family in Italy saw five shackled bodies wash up on the shore."

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I think someone needs to explain geography and ocean currents (and the limits on throwing people off of aircraft) to this nutjob.
Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (8avO+)
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Wow. The Democrats are desperate if they can't hire better trolls.
Posted by: Axeman

They don't need better trolls. Just smarter believers. Because the trained seals they have, will believe them.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 25, 2025 03:35 PM (JBVNW)

74 398 "They're throwing the deportees out of the planes and into the ocean."

People sure believe a lot of egregious nonsense, don't they?-as long as it ties in with "Trump bad!!!

I did laugh, however at the woman who made a whole $80.00 from a Go Fund Me

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 25, 2025 03:35 PM (2GCMq)

75 >>> In another disturbing incident of disinformation, in a TikTok post with over 800,000 views, a woman says, "They're throwing the deportees out of the planes and into the ocean. [...] they're shackling people, flying out into open ocean and throwing them out. The flight patterns, there is people tracking them on this app, the flights going out with the deportees. Watching them go out to the open ocean and circle back. A family in Italy saw five shackled bodies wash up on the shore."

WTF - I thought that was the plan !

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 25, 2025 03:35 PM (/lPRQ)

76 A family in Italy saw five shackled bodies wash up on the shore."

let me guess...Sicily?

Posted by: kallisto at July 25, 2025 03:35 PM (dCxaZ)

77 >> Heh. Some may get Blue Flu; the ones who stick around to try arresting ICE are the ones who probably ought to be employed in something other than law enforcement.

I friend in LE told me the other day the civil service pecking order in NY is NYFD, then Sanitation, then the NYPD.

Imagine that. More people want to be in the Sanitation Department because the benefits and job are better. lol

Posted by: Marcus T at July 25, 2025 03:35 PM (7PBzX)

78 oh no, sorry, my bad

Sicily won't find any washed up bodies due to cement boots weighing them down

Posted by: kallisto at July 25, 2025 03:36 PM (dCxaZ)

79 62 >>> 44 8 Here’s the priority in New York right now. The state legislature has a bill that bans ICE from wearing masks. That’s not the Bee. It’s the penis sippers in the NY State Legislature.
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NYPD going to arrest ICE but not illegals? Bold plan, let's see how it works out.
Posted by: the dandy at July 25, 2025 03:31 PM (8l8nW)

Heh. Some may get Blue Flu; the ones who stick around to try arresting ICE are the ones who probably ought to be employed in something other than law enforcement.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
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Law would be Mort immediately because the state is not able to legislate at all regarding federal law enforcement practices. The lesser cannot override the major. Beyond their reserved powers reserved under the 10th.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 03:36 PM (ctrM5)

80 I'd really like to see Argentina and Chile.
Posted by: pudinhead

I spent some time in Argentina back in the early 2000s, after their currency collapsed. You could get a fantastic meal for about $9, including alcohol.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 25, 2025 03:36 PM (Vfq+S)

81 I think Tik Tik should just be shut down in the US. It just seems to be an huge negative in numerous ways.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 25, 2025 03:36 PM (2GCMq)

82 Here’s the priority in New York right now. The state legislature has a bill that bans ICE from wearing masks. That’s not the Bee. It’s the penis sippers in the NY State Legislature.
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I kinda think that's interference with immigration policy.

So, I think ICE can ignore that.

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 03:36 PM (krQz2)

83 Oh No! Who's gonna cut our lawns and babysit our children and pick our cotton?...
/sarc

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 25, 2025 03:37 PM (ynpvh)

84 Trump’s legacy rests largely on Vance succeeding him.

I think Trump has some kind of idea of the importance of party ideological succession that Reagan, for example, didn't have.

As shown by Reagan's truly awful pick of GHWB as VP.

Posted by: Long time guy at July 25, 2025 03:37 PM (E2+Uh)

85 >>> 77
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I friend in LE told me the other day the civil service pecking order in NY is NYFD, then Sanitation, then the NYPD.

Imagine that. More people want to be in the Sanitation Department because the benefits and job are better. lol
Posted by: Marcus T at July 25, 2025 03:35 PM (7PBzX)

I would think no one is shooting at the guys picking up trash, but then it's NYC so maybe I shouldn't be so sure.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 25, 2025 03:37 PM (ULPxl)

86 Tristan da Cunha, a small group of islands in the south Atlantic, are the most isolated islands in the world.

Posted by: Josephistan at July 25, 2025 03:37 PM (y9ksN)

87
News: "Japanese walk" for fitness!

Squint your eyes with your fingers... "rook! I Japanese wark!"
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats

I really think so.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 25, 2025 03:37 PM (63Dwl)

88 Imagine that. More people want to be in the Sanitation Department because the benefits and job are better. lol
Posted by: Marcus T
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NYPD deals with human trash, Sanitation deals with trash that does not talk back to them or resist arrest.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 03:37 PM (ctrM5)

89 >>She said they track the flights so they must be dropped into the Atlantic. So its a neat trick to reach Italy.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 03:32 PM

Still wearing their shackles. Those are reusable, someone is getting a kickback on replacement shackles.

Posted by: huerfano at July 25, 2025 03:37 PM (n2swS)

90 I don't know if it's such a good idea to drop them in the water. Some of them might live. I guess it depends on the altitude.

Posted by: wth at July 25, 2025 03:37 PM (v0R5T)

91 They're throwing the deportees out of the planes and into the ocean.

Remorse Latitudes

Posted by: DanMan at July 25, 2025 03:38 PM (8uzBS)

92 >
Figure out mathematically how big a trebuchet has to be to launch illegals from Key West to Havana.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 25, 2025 03:33 PM (JBVNW)

Hmm... do they need to arrive intact (at least until impact) or is some ablation due to air friction permissible? Because I'm thinking rail gun.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 25, 2025 03:38 PM (qpyNK)

93 If we do go net negative, someone’s going to have to cowboy up and take one for the team by servicing Mandy. Gotta get those fertility numbers up, those are rookie numbers.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at July 25, 2025 03:38 PM (hlNLQ)

94 Hey. That's my garbage.

Blam
Blam
Blam
Blam

Posted by: Bum with a gat at July 25, 2025 03:38 PM (sNI6D)

95 NY State doesn’t give a shit about the constitution. After Bruen, they immediately (and continue to) laugh at SCOTUS. The cases they received on remand post-Bruen got curb stomped by the Second District and state courts. SCOTUS has been shown as the weak link and NY knows it.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 25, 2025 03:38 PM (7PBzX)

96 59 Horde Class Project:

Figure out mathematically how big a trebuchet has to be to launch illegals from Key West to Havana.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 25, 2025 03:33 PM (JBVNW)

Well, we could take the Iowa out of mothballs, too.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 25, 2025 03:39 PM (wtvvX)

97 >>Santiago is typical 3rd world. Some gorgeous areas in the downtown area and inner suburbs. And then shantytowns on the outskirts of the city. Driving in from the airport you see the gradual change between abject poverty to wealth.

Welcome to most of the world.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 25, 2025 03:39 PM (viF8m)

98 87
News: "Japanese walk" for fitness!

Squint your eyes with your fingers... "rook! I Japanese wark!"
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats

I really think so.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 25, 2025 03:37 PM (63Dwl)

Walk or Wok? I mean Yan Can Wok...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 25, 2025 03:40 PM (ynpvh)

99 When visiting Chile, make sure to not bring carrots with you as they'll never make it past customs. For some reason they don't like carrots there.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 25, 2025 03:40 PM (2UnvF)

100 She said they track the flights so they must be dropped into the Atlantic. So its a neat trick to reach Italy.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 03:32 PM
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Well they tried to catch land at Gibraltar, but they just got swept along.

You know all weighted down in shackles and sinking to the bottom of the ocean.

People who believe this, don't believe in physics.

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 03:40 PM (krQz2)

101 If we do go net negative, someone’s going to have to cowboy up and take one for the team by servicing Mandy. Gotta get those fertility numbers up, those are rookie numbers.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at July 25, 2025 03:38 PM (hlNLQ)

Have someone sane have her share of the kid quota. She's mentally ill.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 03:40 PM (8avO+)

102 Folks - before anyone cries tears about the poor Mexicans yearning to eat free ?

I work overseas all the time. Here's what it takes. A passport. A hotel reservation and return airline ticket that match up. And a temporary medical policy ... GEO Blue is my go to.

If the country is a little bit more hard core ? An invitation letter from where you are going to work. And if they are real dicks ? You pay a work VISA ... Canada is the biggest stiff for that. I don't take jobs in Canada anymore. Because Fuck Canada. Its full of Canadians.

Compare that to the crying like rats eating onions about the proposed standard here. And the practical standards. Its complete bullshit.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 03:40 PM (hk7Ln)

103 As shown by Reagan's truly awful pick of GHWB as VP.
Posted by: Long time guy
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Forced down Reagan's throats by GOPe types behind Gerry Ford threatening to walk like in 64 against Goldwater. These assholes tried to force Gerry Ford on Reagan first at the convention as 'co-presidents'. GOPe did their typical loser shit of leaking to favored reporters during the convention that it was a done deal. GHWB got the VP nomination in part to shut the GOPe down.

Reagan wanted Paul Laxalt, Senator from NV as his VP.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 03:40 PM (ctrM5)

104 Next do legal immigration -- especially H-1B visas (of which, 75% go to Indians -- and including "U Visas" for victims of certain crimes (both rife with fraud).

Posted by: ShainS -- December 9th, 2016: A Date Which Will Live In Infamy! at July 25, 2025 03:40 PM (1HWm1)

105 The pretty part of Chile is the southern fjords. There are national parks on the border of Chile and Argentina that are very nice as well.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 25, 2025 03:40 PM (Vfq+S)

106 In another hoax, Yuriana Julia "Juli" Pelaez Calderon, a 41-year-old illegal immigrant, was charged with conspiracy and making false statements for orchestrating a fake kidnapping by supposed ICE agents to scam donations and discredit federal law enforcement.

ahhahahaha

Yurin=Urine

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at July 25, 2025 03:40 PM (NtVYv)

107 "...the flights going out with the deportees. Watching them go out to the open ocean and circle back. "

Have sharks changed their migration patterns to pick up on these juicy, free snacks?

Posted by: Martin Tell at July 25, 2025 03:41 PM (sFNX2)

108 A good troll would be to paint Air Pinochet on the side of the deportation planes.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 25, 2025 03:41 PM (hIY2p)

109 ‘We’ll get there fast and then we’ll take it slow. That’s where we wanna go, way down to Cocomo!’

Posted by: Eromero at July 25, 2025 03:41 PM (jgmnb)

110 The first place I had fried guinea pig was in Chile.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 25, 2025 03:41 PM (7PBzX)

111 I guarantee you. You throw someone off an aircraft in heavy enough shackles, they're not washing up on any beach.

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 03:41 PM (krQz2)

112 70 Why would we be flying illegal aliens all the way to the Mediterranean to chuck them out of a plane? There's a lot of ocean most of the way around our continent.
Posted by: huerfano at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (n2swS)

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And *who* could *watch that* that wasn't flying an aircraft trailing it.

i'm right here, you know

Posted by: ads-b at July 25, 2025 03:41 PM (v3pYe)

113 104 Next do legal immigration -- especially H-1B visas (of which, 75% go to Indians -- and including "U Visas" for victims of certain crimes (both rife with fraud).
Posted by: ShainS -- December 9th, 2016: A Date Which Will Live In Infamy! at July 25, 2025 03:40 PM (1HWm1)

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H1-B and H1-B1 numbers are down 20% this year compared to last year.

I'm not really sure what it reflects completely, but there does seem to be a slowdown happening.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 03:41 PM (GBKbO)

114 The heavy shackles make it easier to walk along the bottom.

Posted by: Reforger at July 25, 2025 03:41 PM (sNI6D)

115 99- but what about the chili?

Posted by: Farmer Bob at July 25, 2025 03:41 PM (hlNLQ)

116 Vance Predicts We May See Net Negative Immigration In the Next Year

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All illegals back to their home countries and all of the libs to Canada?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 25, 2025 03:42 PM (8P/xB)

117 72 I don't know, some other Moron pointed out that these retarded hysterical stories could work to scare off even more people from coming here illegally.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 25, 2025 03:31 PM (ULPxl

And encourage even more people to sign up to self deport before their families are tossed out of a plane into the ocean.

Posted by: Stateless - HAPPY NOT HOMELESS! - New Life Creation 14.7 % at July 25, 2025 03:42 PM (jvJvP)

118 101 If we do go net negative, someone’s going to have to cowboy up and take one for the team by servicing Mandy. Gotta get those fertility numbers up, those are rookie numbers.
Posted by: Farmer Bob
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As a farmer, would you have bred mentally ill livestock?

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 03:42 PM (ctrM5)

119 Refill Gator Gitmo with thousands of traitors and domestic terrorists.

Posted by: ShainS -- December 9th, 2016: A Date Which Will Live In Infamy! at July 25, 2025 03:42 PM (FXa/G)

120 but what about the chili?

Posted by: Farmer Bob at July 25, 2025 03:41 PM (hlNLQ)
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No carrots.

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 03:43 PM (krQz2)

121 >>The pretty part of Chile is the southern fjords. There are national parks on the border of Chile and Argentina that are very nice as well.

Around the Lakes Region. Vina Del Mar and most of the Vaparaiso area is nice.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 25, 2025 03:43 PM (viF8m)

122 115 99- but what about the chili?

Posted by: Farmer Bob at July 25, 2025 03:41 PM (hlNLQ)

The chili in Chile is chilly.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 25, 2025 03:43 PM (ynpvh)

123 And guess what every country I've ever worked in does, when you check in ? Take a copy of your passport. Of course, while they hand you a beer - we stay in nice places. But still.

If you use a credit card for more than about $200 bucks per purchase ? Not uncommon for them to want a copy of your passport.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 03:44 PM (hk7Ln)

124 120 but what about the chili?

Posted by: Farmer Bob at July 25, 2025 03:41 PM (hlNLQ)
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No carrots.

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 03:43 PM (krQz2)

Okra?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 25, 2025 03:44 PM (ynpvh)

125 but what about the chili?

Posted by: Farmer Bob at July 25, 2025 03:41 PM (hlNLQ)

The chili in Chile is chilly.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 25, 2025 03:43 PM

They put carrots in their chili in Chile.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 25, 2025 03:44 PM (e5NfL)

126 95 NY State doesn’t give a shit about the constitution. After Bruen, they immediately (and continue to) laugh at SCOTUS. The cases they received on remand post-Bruen got curb stomped by the Second District and state courts. SCOTUS has been shown as the weak link and NY knows it.
Posted by: Marcus T
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Law enforcement is a different matter altogether. NY is relying upon mixed signals from Scotus on the 2A to keep on doing shit. No such signal on federal immigration law and also to be fair very clear precedent where a trial judge deciding otherwise will be reversed quickly.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 03:45 PM (ctrM5)

127 121 >>The pretty part of Chile is the southern fjords. There are national parks on the border of Chile and Argentina that are very nice as well.

Around the Lakes Region. Vina Del Mar and most of the Vaparaiso area is nice.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 25, 2025 03:43 PM (viF8m)

I'm pining for the fjords...

Posted by: Chilean Blue Parrot at July 25, 2025 03:45 PM (ynpvh)

128 Law enforcement is a different matter altogether. NY is relying upon mixed signals from Scotus on the 2A to keep on doing shit. No such signal on federal immigration law and also to be fair very clear precedent where a trial judge deciding otherwise will be reversed quickly.
Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 03:45 PM (ctrM5)

Its an open question who would arrest who in such a case.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 03:45 PM (8avO+)

129 Pretty sure a crazy pork chop tastes the same, besides, some of you seem pretty sane (well…

so take a chance, ignore Dad’s advice and learn from experience, like he probably did. Also,it’s pretty much a JohnWickiian”impossible task” anyway.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at July 25, 2025 03:46 PM (hlNLQ)

130 I'm pining for the fjords...
Posted by: Chilean Blue Parrot at July 25, 2025 03:45 PM (ynpvh)

They'd be penguins in Chile.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 03:46 PM (8avO+)

131 Only concentration camp in history where you can say "would you fly me to my home country" and you are put on a plane home
Posted by: Smell the Glove

Right up there with the Japanese internment camps of WWII - one ws reserved for enemy aliens (those who asserted loyalty to Japan), the rest were predominately duel nationals. They generally could leave for parts in the interior of the country and there were jobs boards in the camps.
A little harder to get direct flights to Japan in those days. One, being that they did not exist. Two, slow boats via neutral countries (were there any in the Pacific?). Three, would Japan even take a duel national?

BTW - Naturalized Americans are warned things could get awkward if their home state got into a war (we will extradite if they are drafted), and very awkwrd if the war is with US... So consider formally renouncing and registering that you did.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 25, 2025 03:46 PM (/lPRQ)

132 I'm pining for the fjords...

Posted by: Chilean Blue Parrot at July 25, 2025 03:45 PM (ynpvh)
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You should see an undertaker about that.

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 03:46 PM (krQz2)

133 ‘ That article recounts the Guatamalan liar who claimed her grandfather -- who had died peacefully of natural causes in 2019 -- had been "disappeared" by ICE two weeks ago.’

I assume that was also part of some benefits scam. I’ll bet almost anything this family of parasites and loathsome scumbags was collecting tons of money in benefits for the grandfather right up until ICE took him in the dead of night like the grim reaper.

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at July 25, 2025 03:46 PM (aeiyZ)

134 83 Oh No! Who's gonna cut our lawns and babysit our children and pick our cotton?...

you can't beat that stuff grown in egypt. trust me.

Posted by: mike lindell at July 25, 2025 03:46 PM (v3pYe)

135 I recall going to Bariloche Argentina, and finding it very out of place. Lots of Germans migrated there, and built in the same Alpine style. Also, a lot of German spoken there.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 25, 2025 03:47 PM (Vfq+S)

136 130 I'm pining for the fjords...
Posted by: Chilean Blue Parrot at July 25, 2025 03:45 PM (ynpvh)

They'd be penguins in Chile.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 03:46 PM (8avO+)

That's just a conspiracy by Big Otter...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 25, 2025 03:47 PM (ynpvh)

137 131 Three, would Japan even take a duel national?

depends. we talking pistols or sabers?

Posted by: hirohito at July 25, 2025 03:48 PM (v3pYe)

138 I voted for the greatest President since Reagan.

Posted by: toby928 at July 25, 2025 03:48 PM (jc0TO)

139 I don't know, some other Moron pointed out that these retarded hysterical stories could work to scare off even more people from coming here illegally.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 25, 2025 03:31 PM (ULPxl

And encourage even more people to sign up to self deport before their families are tossed out of a plane into the ocean.
Posted by: Stateless - HAPPY NOT HOMELESS! - New Life Creation 14.7 % at July 25, 2025 03:42 PM (jvJvP)

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If there is a story/meme out there involving trebuchets and one-way helicopter rides -- it's highly likely that their genesis was the comment section of this here blog.

Posted by: ShainS -- December 9th, 2016: A Date Which Will Live In Infamy! at July 25, 2025 03:48 PM (FXa/G)

140 137 131 Three, would Japan even take a duel national?

depends. we talking pistols or sabers?

Posted by: hirohito at July 25, 2025 03:48 PM (v3pYe)

Both...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 25, 2025 03:49 PM (ynpvh)

141 >> Law enforcement is a different matter altogether. NY is relying upon mixed signals from Scotus on the 2A to keep on doing shit. No such signal on federal immigration law and also to be fair very clear precedent where a trial judge deciding otherwise will be reversed quickly.
Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 03:45 PM (ctrM5)

I think NY has also seen the courts as their ally when needed, and weak when opposing them. They weaponized the courts against those who disagree with them, including Trump, with relative impunity. With the 2A, Roberts in particular along with ACB have been their allies even when challenging their power. It’s more a conspiracy the courts who use the rules to either deny cert, or stretch cases out as long as possible in the lower courts so SCOTUS never sees them. It’s what they did with Bruen and now they learned that SCOTUS and the Second District will assist them with the subversion using an alleged affection for court process.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 25, 2025 03:49 PM (7PBzX)

142 I recall going to Bariloche Argentina, and finding it very out of place. Lots of Germans migrated there, and built in the same Alpine style. Also, a lot of German spoken there.

You see that in Buenos Aires. Every now and then, a Tudor Style this or that.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 03:50 PM (hk7Ln)

143 Horde Class Project:

Figure out mathematically how big a trebuchet has to be to launch illegals from Key West to Havana.

Posted by: rickb223
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ASSUMPTIONS -
- No propulsion after inital launch
- it is STP for entire flight
- PAX is spherical, 130 lbs, ...

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 25, 2025 03:50 PM (/lPRQ)

144 I would think no one is shooting at the guys picking up trash, but then it's NYC so maybe I shouldn't be so sure.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket

They hate the cans!

Posted by: Navin Johnson, DSNY at July 25, 2025 03:50 PM (4DY5T)

145
Is anyone in the MSM getting out to these countries where the cancer-curers and toilet-cleaners are being let out? I'd really like to see them deplaning. I'd also like to see follow-up on the ones that get dumped in South Sudan or wherever it is. See how the Latino badasses do in countries that are barely afraid to hold slave auctions.

Posted by: California Community College ghost students. at July 25, 2025 03:51 PM (lCaJd)

146 Yet another reason to hate the dems is the incredible contempt they have for the American public. Such assholes.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 25, 2025 03:51 PM (W/lyH)

147 Sock

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 25, 2025 03:51 PM (lCaJd)

148 143- my ti-36 came back with 1 BA trebuchet

Posted by: Farmer Bob at July 25, 2025 03:51 PM (hlNLQ)

149 Hint:

The Jews weren't trying to sneak IN to Nazi Germany, they were trying to sneak OUT and the Nazis wouldn't let them leave.

When they got caught, they were sent to death camps, not given a free plane ticket to another country.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
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They were smuggling gold out in their teeth !

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 25, 2025 03:52 PM (/lPRQ)

150 I think NY has also seen the courts as their ally when needed, and weak when opposing them. They weaponized the courts against those who disagree with them, including Trump, with relative impunity. With the 2A, Roberts in particular along with ACB have been their allies even when challenging their power. It’s more a conspiracy the courts who use the rules to either deny cert, or stretch cases out as long as possible in the lower courts so SCOTUS never sees them. It’s what they did with Bruen and now they learned that SCOTUS and the Second District will assist them with the subversion using an alleged affection for court process.
Posted by: Marcus T

The first premise does not dictate the second. Bruen is probably the four conservatives defensively denying cert and the four liberals not willing to trust ACB or Roberts. So it sits.

Not some much some stupid legislation by NY state to address legal practices of federal law enforcement. That won't fly and probably won't even make Scotus if some judge was stupid enough to deny an injunction. Black letter law. Bruen, not so much.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 03:52 PM (ctrM5)

151 Reagan wanted Paul Laxalt, Senator from NV as his VP.
Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 03:40 PM (ctrM5)

If Reagan had gone hard against the domestic Left which I still maintain he was woefully niave about we might be in a different place today.

But then again we might not have Trump

Posted by: Long time guy at July 25, 2025 03:52 PM (E2+Uh)

152 See how the Latino badasses do in countries that are barely afraid to hold slave auctions.

That is also, culturally, a thing. The idea that Sam Colt made us all equal.

Big Latins hate it. Big Blacks hate it. And honestly, well connected Yankees hate it. Lets call it what it is.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 03:53 PM (hk7Ln)

153 >>>Vance Predicts We May See Net Negative Immigration In the Next Year

Another Trumpmas miracle!

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at July 25, 2025 03:53 PM (i24o9)

154 DeSantis, IMO, had questionable financial donors, but hell if I can find any complaints about the way he's run Florida, or (more importantly) become a solid pillar supporting the current presidential administration.

It makes you wonder how his political aspirations fit into the current Republican landscape. I think you have to accept JD Vance as the next viable candidate, but DeSantis will definitely run against him in the primary. I think Vance wins that contest, but it will be close. Then, you have to consider that regardless of who wins, will they consider the other as a running mate.

I think Vance would welcome DeSantis as a VP. I think DeSantis would search elsewhere....to someone like Tulsi Gabbard (which would be remarkable from a position of irony).

Should be interesting, fun, and hotly contested.

Posted by: Orson at July 25, 2025 03:53 PM (dIske)

155 BTW California too. Look at the recent 2A Bonita Case on ammo. They bounced it around lower courts and then when they get to the Ninth, they put it under a 3 judge panel, and then when they finally rule they kick it up to the entire court.

Meanwhile SCOTUS lets it play out while people are denied their rights.

I’ve just about lost all respect for the courts. They are neither impartial nor fair. They are the most corrupt part of our government.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 25, 2025 03:53 PM (7PBzX)

156 53 ... a woman says, "They're throwing the deportees out of the planes and into the ocean.
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I think someone needs to explain geography and ocean currents (and the limits on throwing people off of aircraft) to this nutjob.
Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 03:28 PM (8avO+)
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Wow. The Democrats are desperate if they can't hire better trolls.

she's just doing the trolling americans won't do

Posted by: anachronda at July 25, 2025 03:54 PM (v3pYe)

157 Sock
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
.....

Ow!

Posted by: wth at July 25, 2025 03:54 PM (v0R5T)

158 *Bonta. Not Bonita.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 25, 2025 03:54 PM (7PBzX)

159 "They're throwing the deportees out of the planes and into the ocean. [...] they're shackling people, flying out into open ocean and throwing them out. The flight patterns, there is people tracking them on this app, the flights going out with the deportees. Watching them go out to the open ocean and circle back. A family in Italy saw five shackled bodies wash up on the shore."

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I heard they're giving the deportees to Israel, and then the Israel is loading them into helicopters and flying over Gaza and dropping them on innocent Palestinian children and/or pregnant women.

Posted by: Cave Johnson at July 25, 2025 03:54 PM (BGygK)

160 If the Bee doesn’t run with this I will be disappointed greatly

Posted by: H at July 25, 2025 03:54 PM (2gjbv)

161 155 BTW California too. Look at the recent 2A Bonita Case on ammo. They bounced it around lower courts and then when they get to the Ninth, they put it under a 3 judge panel, and then when they finally rule they kick it up to the entire court.

Meanwhile SCOTUS lets it play out while people are denied their rights.

I’ve just about lost all respect for the courts. They are neither impartial nor fair. They are the most corrupt part of our government.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 25, 2025 03:53 PM (7PBzX)

Yeah, Kalifornia sucks when it comes to most rights.
1st: Hate speech laws
2nd: no open carry, virtually no concealed carry, can't buy a handgun until 21, and on, and on, and on.

I suppose the only one they haven't violated is the 3rd, only because they haven't found a good way to do it yet.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 25, 2025 03:55 PM (ynpvh)

162 Are there any Democrat women who can dry out before approaching a microphone?
Here's Pelosi: tinyurl.com/3tumznst

Posted by: gKWVE at July 25, 2025 03:55 PM (gKWVE)

163 South America isn't part of the West?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

I often try to define which countries make up the traditional "West" (before the mooselimb invasion). France, the UK, the Low Countries, Germany, Italy, Austria, Switzerland, and Bohemia (Czech Republic) are the heartland of it in Europe. Poland and Hungary, too, most of the time. Then Canada, the US, Australia, and NZ. Israel, too.

After that, you have countries that have adopted various aspects of Western culture or institutions, but are still basically outside of Western culture. Due to their long domination by Islam, I would put Spain and Portugal in that category, along with their colonies in Latin America. Also, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and even Russia. I wouldn't put China, India, or any Muslim-majority countries on the list at all.

Just my two cents.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 03:55 PM (77rzZ)

164 Its an open question who would arrest who in such a case.
Posted by: Oldcat

Any NY state leo or local yokel would have that arrest immediately quashed by a habeas hearing in federal court.

But, the bill has not passed, and just like GOPe types, the Dems have their own failure theater for their base as well. So introduce a bill that will never be a law is pretty standard behavior for legislators.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 03:55 PM (ctrM5)

165 Stop, my erection can only get so hard!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at July 25, 2025 03:55 PM (17s+e)

166 The usual pro-invasion folks at the Roman Catholic Church are complaining that they aren't being allowed to go in and do services, but nobody is supposed to be staying very long in this place anyway.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 25, 2025 03:55 PM (dfIr7)

167 >>I recall going to Bariloche Argentina, and finding it very out of place. Lots of Germans migrated there, and built in the same Alpine style. Also, a lot of German spoken there.

There's an area like that in southern Chile too. Back in the early 1900s the region needed people to grow so they invited a bunch of Germans to migrate and gave them land, etc. to sweeten the deal. The architecture looks Bavarian and there are a lot of Germans to this day.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 25, 2025 03:56 PM (viF8m)

168 Make illegals our #1 export

Posted by: Smellslikevictory at July 25, 2025 03:56 PM (19Jrv)

169 First illegal to get chompwd on by a gator is going to be rich and famous. Yet no takers. Odd.

Posted by: Mongo at July 25, 2025 03:56 PM (s9EN2)

170 All you have to do is make life as difficult as possible for them and they will both not come here anymore and self deport themselves

Biden and every Democrat president rolled out the welcome mat and made sure they could do everything possible to get them to stay so they would eventually all be on the voter rollls

Posted by: Maroon at July 25, 2025 03:56 PM (kIUyK)

171 >> I suppose the only one they haven't violated is the 3rd, only because they haven't found a good way to do it yet.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 25, 2025 03:55 PM (ynpvh)

My real issue is the court lets this all play out, yet SCOTUS won’t issue an injunction that keeps the states from letting these pretend laws go into effect. I bet if they did that it would stop immediately. But they don’t, showing their real bias and corrupt nature.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 25, 2025 03:58 PM (7PBzX)

172 I often try to define which countries make up the traditional "West" (before the mooselimb invasion).

As a fellow that grew up South and Poor ? I like Argentina better than anywhere else I've ever been in the world. And better than the Northeast and West Coast.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 03:58 PM (hk7Ln)

173 Itinerant Butcher, kudos for bringing some detail to the universally distorted and misunderstood internment issue in WWII.

Actually "enemy aliens" would be any Japanese national (possibly 40% of total). Under Geneva, the US was *obligated* to intern them, for their own protection (the curators at Manzanar let some stuff slip by on this front - there's at least one panel where a Japanese-American woman is quoted as saying she was relieved to be moved from their neighborhood, as hostility there was scary).

Dual-nationals - I don't know how/whether Geneva treated those.

As you say, people started leaving the camps long before they were closed. Many left for defense jobs (!) in the interior.

Some hard-core cases (they existed) of both nationalities status were mostly concentrated at a camp in CO. Otherwise, at one point, military-aged males could exit based on a loyalty oath. Entirely understandable why such an oath was offensive, and the detentions were unconstitutional, period - but gee whiz "racism!" etc was not the basis for any of it.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 25, 2025 03:58 PM (U/Byj)

174 And to think Trump said RDS was a worse governor than Newsom and Cuomo

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 25, 2025 03:58 PM (xVugU)

175 I think you’ll see Vance/Rubio uncontested, backroom deal puts DeSantis at state, then Rubio/DeSantis in 36 if the center holds that long.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at July 25, 2025 03:58 PM (hlNLQ)

176 I suppose the only one they haven't violated is the 3rd, only because they haven't found a good way to do it yet.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)

There was such a case in NV. PoPo commandeered a couple's home with no warrants to observe a neighboring property and trashed the place.

"Members of a Henderson family may proceed with their civil rights case against police officers who took over their homes without warrants in 2011, but a federal judge has thrown out the family’s unusual Third Amendment claim.

Michael and Linda Mitchell and their adult son, Anthony, filed the lawsuit in 2013 against Henderson and North Las Vegas police. The case included a seldom-raised claim that police violated the Third Amendment, which places restrictions on the quartering of soldiers in private homes."

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 03:58 PM (ctrM5)

177 170 All you have to do is make life as difficult as possible for them and they will both not come here anymore and self deport themselves

Biden and every Democrat president rolled out the welcome mat and made sure they could do everything possible to get them to stay so they would eventually all be on the voter rollls
Posted by: Maroon at July 25, 2025 03:56 PM (kIUyK)

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Illegals should know by now that if they live in a sanctuary city and near a criminal illegal alien, then they are in a high level of danger of getting swept up in raids.

They should be ratting these criminals out themselves and then taking a few days in the country, or something, to come back to a suddenly quieter neighborhood.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 03:58 PM (GBKbO)

178 Biden and every Democrat president rolled out the welcome mat and made sure they could do everything possible to get them to stay so they would eventually all be on the voter rollls
Posted by: Maroon at July 25, 2025 03:56 PM (kIUyK)

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Staying in 4 star hotels and being given debit cards with thousands on them tends to act as an incentive.

Posted by: Seems Legit at July 25, 2025 03:59 PM (PMtkd)

179 "...and corrupt nature."

So, out of order then. Que Pachino.

Posted by: Mongo at July 25, 2025 03:59 PM (s9EN2)

180 Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 25, 2025 03:47 PM (Vfq+S)

______________________________

You can find some interesting pockets in Brazil. After the US Civil war, well over 100,000 Confederate sympathizers took off to Brazil and set up "Americana." It, eventually, dissipated, but you can still find some tell tale signs.

Posted by: Orson at July 25, 2025 03:59 PM (dIske)

181 There were a lot of Welsh who settled in Patagonia. So many, that there is a recognized variety of that language known as "Patagonian Welsh."

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:00 PM (77rzZ)

182 For what it is worth, courts seem to be on track though to start considering po po liable for massive damage to houses for searches, etc. No immunity for it and the courts are using the 5th Amendment's taking clause to justify overriding immunity defenses by localities.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 04:00 PM (ctrM5)

183 Streamlining the process of deportation. Ah, the military-industrial complex using taxpayer money to do the will of the people. How refreshing!

Where are those flights going? What other countries? War torn Sudan? Gaza? Communist China? Where?

As a Floridian, I don’t want this.,They already raised our property taxes to pay for your misdoings.

You built a concentration camp? Good job. How much goverment money is being given to Florida to run this thing? And is it privately run? By what company? Who is sucking in American dollars for this facility?

Wasting state tax dollars on federal mission while hosting a detention camp using emergency management resources. Disgraceful. DeSantis is an embarrassment.

MAGA will never live down this atrocity: the corruption, the secrecy, the environmental destruction, and the deliberate cruelty.

Americans hate you and your Alligator Alcatraz. We know you're profiting from this shit. Americans hate ICE and Donald Trump's immigration agenda. You'll all be out of work soon.

Posted by: Intercepted X Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 25, 2025 04:00 PM (hTOOP)

184 The idea of laundering payments to illegals through religious NGOs originated with George W Bush and his "Faith Based Initiative."

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 25, 2025 04:01 PM (xVugU)

185 183 As a Floridian, I don’t want this.,They already raised our property taxes to pay for your misdoings.

Posted by: Intercepted X Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 25, 2025 04:00 PM (hTOOP)

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Should be happy with DeSantis trying to end all property taxes in the state, then.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 04:01 PM (GBKbO)

186 You can find some interesting pockets in Brazil. After the US Civil war, well over 100,000 Confederate sympathizers took off to Brazil and set up "Americana." It, eventually, dissipated, but you can still find some tell tale signs.
Posted by: Orson

They moved there in part because Brazil still had slavery at that time. Unbeknownst to them, Brazil ended slavery a few years after they arrived.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 04:01 PM (ctrM5)

187 In another disturbing incident of disinformation, in a TikTok post with over 800,000 views, a woman says, "They're throwing the deportees out of the planes and into the ocean. [...] they're shackling people, flying out into open ocean and throwing them out.

The Bad Orange Man isn't having this done? I am disappoint.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 25, 2025 04:02 PM (pJWtt)

188 no H in Pacino. Who knew?

Posted by: Mongo at July 25, 2025 04:02 PM (s9EN2)

189 The idea of laundering payments to illegals through religious NGOs originated with George W Bush and his "Faith Based Initiative."

Yes Sir. I get tired of the "That Damn Obama" thing here.

Obama didn't sign the Patriot Act. Didn't create DHS. Or Five Eyes.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:02 PM (hk7Ln)

190 You can find some interesting pockets in Brazil. After the US Civil war, well over 100,000 Confederate sympathizers took off to Brazil and set up "Americana." It, eventually, dissipated, but you can still find some tell tale signs.
Posted by: Orson

I think their descendants still have festivals where they dress up in Confederate uniform and other period dress.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:02 PM (77rzZ)

191 183 MAGA will never live down this atrocity: the corruption, the secrecy, the environmental destruction, and the deliberate cruelty.

Posted by: Intercepted X Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 25, 2025 04:00 PM (hTOOP)

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They're going to be shocked at how little Americans care when their streets are cleaner, their wages go up, and their rents go down.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 04:02 PM (GBKbO)

192
"They're going to be shocked at how little Americans care when their streets are cleaner, their wages go up, and their rents go down."

Don't forget test scores rising.

Posted by: Mongo at July 25, 2025 04:03 PM (s9EN2)

193 Vice President Vance thinks that we may see net negative migration -- outward migration -- this year.

We're stopping them at the borders. Now we need to stop the flights coming in from enemy territories.

Posted by: Joe at July 25, 2025 04:03 PM (Uy/WF)

194 184 The idea of laundering payments to illegals through religious NGOs originated with George W Bush and his "Faith Based Initiative."
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 25, 2025 04:01 PM (xVugU)

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The whole Bush clan was a scourge on America. What did we do to deserve those vipers?

Posted by: Seems Legit at July 25, 2025 04:04 PM (PMtkd)

195 "Make illegals our #1 export
Posted by: Smellslikevictory"

This fucking guy.

Posted by: eleven at July 25, 2025 04:04 PM (fV+MH)

196 20 >>>TRUMP ~~DeSantis~~ is flying the illegals out.

FIFY. As far as I know, DeSantis is not in charge of DHS. Not a knock on DeSantis, just the way things are.
Posted by: No Name Today

Insert Predator Meme of Dutch and Dillon bro grip. It was a team effort.

Posted by: Intercepted X Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 25, 2025 04:04 PM (hTOOP)

197 And contrary to the farcical late 80s commission, the internment question arose directly from knowledge of Japanese espionage operations, largely revealed by our penetration of their diplomatic code ("Purple" for us).

There were brutal debates in DOJ, War Department, and WH about the question. They turned on how to deal with the known and feared espionage and sabotage threats.

Gee, why did the west coast "exclusion zone" for Japanese-Americans extend along the US-Mex border to AZ? Not many ports or strategic sites (or anything, back then). Odd. Oh, that's right. Because the Japanese naval officer at Mass Ave in DC at the embassy was warned to prepare for expulsion from the US. He had planned his new hemispheric hub to be in Panama, with the main US-oriented post at Mexican border town east of San Diego.

Facts and actual history, they're fun!

Posted by: rhomboid at July 25, 2025 04:05 PM (U/Byj)

198 Are there any Democrat women who can dry out before approaching a microphone?
Here's Pelosi: tinyurl.com/3tumznst
Posted by: gKWVE at July 25, 2025 03:55 PM (gKWVE)
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Drunk, stupid and stupid is no way to go through life.

But it is the path she chose.

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:05 PM (krQz2)

199 How can we troll klantifa into trying to "protest" at Alligator Alcatraz?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 25, 2025 04:05 PM (ULPxl)

200 The whole Bush clan was a scourge on America. What did we do to deserve those vipers?
Posted by: Seems Legit

It was either HW or Gerry Ford.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:05 PM (77rzZ)

201 Wait until people finally figure out the correlation between illegal immigration and crime.

As much as the Blue cities fudged their statistics under Biden, it’s going to be noticeable.

Imagine that. People who aren’t accountable commit crimes in greater numbers and are the biggest repeat offenders.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 25, 2025 04:05 PM (7PBzX)

202 The whole Bush clan was a scourge on America. What did we do to deserve those vipers?

Thank the GOP. Bush the Elder was entirely old school GOP. Ever wonder why your older cousins or such hated all things Republican ?

That's why. The GOP made it easy.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:06 PM (hk7Ln)

203 Should be happy with DeSantis trying to end all property taxes in the state, then.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I think it was targeted at poorer counties, not the wealthier ones. But, getting rid of property taxes might be a bridge too far for the Fla legislature due to complaints from local governments and make bond issuance more difficult.

Property tax revenue tends to be more stable than sales tax during economic downturns.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 04:06 PM (ctrM5)

204 Obama didn't sign the Patriot Act. Didn't create DHS. Or Five Eyes.
________________

Obama didn't even invent Obamacare! It was cribbed from a program implemented under Mitt Romney in Massachusetts when he was governor.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 25, 2025 04:06 PM (xVugU)

205 180 You can find some interesting pockets in Brazil.

was watching a bit of youtube a while ago and learned, from a video about the history of pockets in women's clothing, there are actually professional historians who specialize in pockets.

Posted by: anachronda at July 25, 2025 04:06 PM (v3pYe)

206 They're throwing the deportees out of the planes and into the ocean.

And a hundred years from now, packs of sharks will still be following those aviation paths, the same way they still follow the slave shipping lanes.

Uh-huh.

Posted by: mindful webworker - without a 'chute at July 25, 2025 04:06 PM (iaVKI)

207 Lefty livs:

Why is rent so high?
Why are there so many people on the road?
Why am I paying so much in taxes?
Why can't I get a dr apt?

Also lefty livs

How dare trump send these undocumented immigrants home!!!

Posted by: 18-1 at July 25, 2025 04:06 PM (t0Rmr)

208 The whole Bush clan was a scourge on America. What did we do to deserve those vipers?

Posted by: Seems Legit at July 25, 2025 04:04 PM

And those fvckers tried to foist bush III on us. jeb! my a$$.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 25, 2025 04:06 PM (e5NfL)

209 Obviously Trump is with Lincoln the one or two greatest Republican presidents.

Grant, Reagan, Coolidge, Nixon.

The scramble for 3-5.

Posted by: Long time guy at July 25, 2025 04:07 PM (E2+Uh)

210 We have a Mexican Team coming to Columbus on Tuesday and I am Dying to use the ICE BLOCK app and report that ICE is near Crew Stadium and watch the fun

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 25, 2025 04:07 PM (FCrpy)

211 win either by the ballot or the bullet.

Good luck to them.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 25, 2025 04:07 PM (/U5Yz)

212 I thought they were being dropped in the Marianus Trench to be devoured by megaladon. I'm dissapointed.

Posted by: Still lurking up north, read some, don't comment much at July 25, 2025 04:07 PM (kTd/k)

213 Is Jeb still alive?

Posted by: Marcus T at July 25, 2025 04:07 PM (7PBzX)

214 Yeah we save the helicopters for snow flake lefties well we will right

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 25, 2025 04:08 PM (bXbFr)

215 200 The whole Bush clan was a scourge on America. What did we do to deserve those vipers?
Posted by: Seems Legit
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The Bush family started their political climb as business partners to the Rockefellers. Nelson Rockefeller was notorious for stabbing Goldwater in the back in 64 and for dying atop a young miss from a heart attack at a tender moment. Closest that SOB ever made it to president was VP.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 04:08 PM (ctrM5)

216 Where are those flights going? What other countries? War torn Sudan? Gaza? Communist China? Where?

Posted by: Intercepted X Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 25, 2025 04:00 PM (hTOOP)
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They just write it off, Jerry.

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:08 PM (krQz2)

217
MAGA will never live down this atrocity: the corruption, the secrecy, the environmental destruction, and the deliberate cruelty.

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lol, the corruption? Like, who's making tons of money off some temporary structures out in literal "I've got some swampland in Florida"?

Secrecy? Oh, you mean that place over there? (points)

Environmental destruction? See "corruption," above.

Deliberate cruelty? Is that what the kids are calling "acting like every other country on the planet" nowadays?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 25, 2025 04:08 PM (lCaJd)

218 was watching a bit of youtube a while ago and learned, from a video about the history of pockets in women's clothing, there are actually professional historians who specialize in pockets.
Posted by: anachronda

Probably they are historians of clothing in general. Probably a good living in that as technical advisors for historical movies, reenactment organizations, etc.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:09 PM (77rzZ)

219 Why is rent so high?
Why are there so many people on the road?
Why am I paying so much in taxes?
Why can't I get a dr apt?

Also lefty livs

How dare trump send these undocumented immigrants home!!!
Posted by: 18-1

Why are wages so low?
Why can't people find entry-level jobs?

Posted by: Intercepted X Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 25, 2025 04:09 PM (hTOOP)

220 Never have the head of the CIA as a President.

Pompeo, I'm looking at you.

Posted by: Seems Legit at July 25, 2025 04:09 PM (PMtkd)

221 Obama didn't sign the Patriot Act. Didn't create DHS. Or Five Eyes.
________________

Obama didn't even invent Obamacare! It was cribbed from a program implemented under Mitt Romney in Massachusetts when he was governor.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 25, 2025 04:06 PM

He actually stole it from hillary. hillary care was being pushed big time by bill clinton in 1993. And it sure looked a whole lot like obamacare.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 25, 2025 04:09 PM (e5NfL)

222 And contrary to the farcical late 80s commission, the internment question arose directly from knowledge of Japanese espionage operations, largely revealed by our penetration of their diplomatic code ("Purple" for us).

There were brutal debates in DOJ, War Department, and WH about the question. They turned on how to deal with the known and feared espionage and sabotage threats.

Gee, why did the west coast "exclusion zone" for Japanese-Americans extend along the US-Mex border to AZ? Not many ports or strategic sites (or anything, back then). Odd. Oh, that's right. Because the Japanese naval officer at Mass Ave in DC at the embassy was warned to prepare for expulsion from the US. He had planned his new hemispheric hub to be in Panama, with the main US-oriented post at Mexican border town east of San Diego.

Facts and actual history, they're fun!
Posted by: rhomboid at July 25, 2025 04:05 PM (U/Byj)

They locked up Germans and Italians too, or some. And there was real sabotage in WWI from German nationals who had immigrated here.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:09 PM (8avO+)

223 Calvin Coolidge is just a fucking cool name.

I don't care who you are.

Posted by: eleven at July 25, 2025 04:09 PM (fV+MH)

224 Obviously Trump is with Lincoln the one or two greatest Republican presidents.

Yeah ... Fuck That. The rest of us still send our money to New England, via Salt, because of Lincoln. The Supreme Court, and Federal Court, meddle in State's Rights because of Lincoln.

Lincoln was a tyrant.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:09 PM (hk7Ln)

225 How can we troll klantifa into trying to "protest" at Alligator Alcatraz?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 25, 2025 04:05 PM

Not sure we'd really have to. They're dumb enough to do it on their own.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 25, 2025 04:09 PM (kgE5c)

226 Deportations will lower the unemployment rate

Posted by: Skip at July 25, 2025 04:10 PM (+qU29)

227 Lee Zeldin removed any restrictions on "Green gas cans."
Let it flow let it flow let it flow.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 25, 2025 04:10 PM (/U5Yz)

228 was watching a bit of youtube a while ago and learned, from a video about the history of pockets in women's clothing, there are actually professional historians who specialize in pockets.
Posted by: anachronda

Probably they are historians of clothing in general. Probably a good living in that as technical advisors for historical movies, reenactment organizations, etc.
Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:09 PM (77rzZ)

Clothes are just a support mechanism for pockets.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:10 PM (8avO+)

229 At some point, Trump is going to have to take on Marc Elias, the Democrat's Mob Lawyer, directly.

Besides looking like a kiddie diddler who lived on Epstein Island, every single nasty lawsuit of the last 5 years by the Democrats seems to involve him.

The latest is a $1.3 million suit against Trump over one of the Venezuelans sent to Salvador and then swapped for Americans and sent home.
All of the expected lies about the horrors and mistreatments he suffered in Salvador.
Topped with the sob story that he's afraid to even leave his mother's home in Venezuela now.

But, the suit isn't the point.
The point is to give the media and the left legal cover, the "hook," to endlessly repeat slanderous allegations against Trump and ICE, allegations that have directly caused their Antifa to attempt assassinations:
Sending them to be tortured; "disappearing" them; that they receive no due process; that the basis for their deportation was false.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 25, 2025 04:10 PM (M5STE)

230 220 Never have the head of the CIA as a President.

Pompeo, I'm looking at you.
Posted by: Seems Legit

Pompous Pompeo got figured out by Trump as a traitor. Basically has no political future now like Mustache Bolton.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 04:10 PM (ctrM5)

231 Yeah I was wondering if somehow FL had trumped federal pre-emption in immigration was running its own airlift.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 25, 2025 04:10 PM (U/Byj)

232 Well he had been a time server for that year between colby who was whining and turner who was totally useless

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 25, 2025 04:11 PM (bXbFr)

233
I thought they were being dropped in the Marianus Trench to be devoured by megaladon. I'm dissapointed.
Posted by: Still lurking up north

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I though their organs were being harvested. I'm disappointed the lefty trolls haven't thought of that one yet.

P.S., lurk less, post more

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 25, 2025 04:11 PM (lCaJd)

234 224 Yeah ... Fuck That. The rest of us still send our money to New England, via Salt, because of Lincoln. The Supreme Court, and Federal Court, meddle in State's Rights because of Lincoln.

Lincoln was a tyrant.
Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:09 PM (hk7Ln)

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Remember everyone, the Fugitive Slave Act was a respectful use of states' rights by the Southern States to honor the will of Northern States within their own borders.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 04:11 PM (GBKbO)

235 >>Lincoln was a tyrant.

For as long as I can remember, the South has been at War with Butthurt.

Posted by: garrett at July 25, 2025 04:11 PM (oSEaw)

236 And those fvckers tried to foist bush III on us. jeb! my a$$.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 25, 2025 04:06 PM (e5NfL)

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I would have actively campaigned for a pile of swirling turds over Jeb Bush.

Posted by: Seems Legit at July 25, 2025 04:11 PM (PMtkd)

237 Also lefty livs

How dare trump send these undocumented immigrants home!!!
Posted by: 18-1 at July 25, 2025 04:06 PM (t0Rmr)
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Also, lefties scrolling on smart phones constantly: "It'll be great when we can get rid of private property!"

Cause they're itching to use communal phones, of course.

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:11 PM (krQz2)

238 209 Why are Grant and Nixon on that list?

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:12 PM (77rzZ)

239 235 >>Lincoln was a tyrant.

For as long as I can remember, the South has been at War with Butthurt.
Posted by: garrett at July 25, 2025 04:11 PM (oSEaw)

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For as long as I can remember, Southern apologists have acted like the Fugitive Slave Act didn't exist.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 04:12 PM (GBKbO)

240 Obviously Trump is with Lincoln the one or two greatest Republican presidents.

Yeah ... Fuck That. The rest of us still send our money to New England, via Salt, because of Lincoln. The Supreme Court, and Federal Court, meddle in State's Rights because of Lincoln.

Lincoln was a tyrant.
Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:09 PM (hk7Ln)

No, all that was from the traitorous Southern Democrat slave owners. They conspired to steal Army stores and take our forts.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:12 PM (8avO+)

241 But, the suit isn't the point.
The point is to give the media and the left legal cover, the "hook," to endlessly repeat slanderous allegations against Trump and ICE, allegations that have directly caused their Antifa to attempt assassinations:
Sending them to be tortured; "disappearing" them; that they receive no due process; that the basis for their deportation was false.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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Elias got fired from Perkins Cooie because he was so sleazy that they were afraid he would end the firm with his behavior. He is also deeply involved with the Fusion GPS, Russia Russia, hoax.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 04:12 PM (ctrM5)

242 230 220 Never have the head of the CIA as a President.

'scuse me.

Posted by: George Herbert Walker Bush at July 25, 2025 04:12 PM (YlWIZ)

243 For as long as I can remember, Southern apologists have acted like the Fugitive Slave Act didn't exist.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 04:12 PM (GBKbO)

Or that Lee was burdened down on the Gettysburg campaign by blacks they decided to kidnap and carry back with them.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:13 PM (8avO+)

244 Lincoln was a tyrant.
Posted by: Long Memory

I mean...desperate times call for desperate measures. You think Democrats are crying now? Imagine how hard it was for them when Lincoln freed their slaves. That's gotta be worth something.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at July 25, 2025 04:13 PM (hTOOP)

245 For as long as I can remember, the South has been at War with Butthurt.

The exact logic still used today. Why do you bitch so much that we're in charge ?

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:13 PM (hk7Ln)

246 242 230 220 Never have the head of the CIA as a President.

'scuse me.
Posted by: George Herbert Walker Bush at July 25, 2025 04:12 PM (YlWIZ)

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That is exactly my point.

Posted by: Seems Legit at July 25, 2025 04:13 PM (PMtkd)

247 Lincoln was a tyrant.
Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:09 PM (hk7Ln)

Sure, but a really soft tyrant by historical standards.

Posted by: Long time guy at July 25, 2025 04:14 PM (E2+Uh)

248 I care about both. We have a shit ton of people here that do not belong

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Agree. We shouldn't stop at deporting all illegals, we need to export legal status granted via fraud and stupid decisions - like the gang bangers with visas and revoke citizenship when fraud was involved (brother marriage Omar).

Posted by: Smellslikevictory at July 25, 2025 04:14 PM (19Jrv)

249 And those fvckers tried to foist bush III on us. jeb! my a$$.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS)

The new Texas detention center should be built in Crawford.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 25, 2025 04:14 PM (/U5Yz)

250 Hillary care was even worse than Obamacare, although the goal of Obamacare was to facilitate transition to a Hillarycare single payer system. Under Hillarycare IIRC it would have been a felony to seek treatment from anyone other than your assigned Government physician.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 25, 2025 04:14 PM (xVugU)

251 Oh my god you guys are going to fight the Civil War again.

I'm going to wait for the next.

Posted by: eleven at July 25, 2025 04:15 PM (fV+MH)

252 Yeah they had moved their operations to behind the bamboo curtain sussman was another partner who handled crowdstrike

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 25, 2025 04:15 PM (bXbFr)

253 No, all that was from the traitorous Southern Democrat slave owners. They conspired to steal Army stores and take our forts.
Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:12 PM (8avO+)
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That were in those states.

I'm not a Southern apologist much, but this was a dick move by the Union.

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:15 PM (krQz2)

254 Well, been out for hours power-washing the patio.

Looks like I got here just in time for the Nth Battle of Manassas!

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 25, 2025 04:15 PM (LxER7)

255 I think Vance would keep Rubio at State. No reason he couldn't. Don't know who he would run with yet

Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 25, 2025 04:15 PM (TEi+a)

256 You know ... I live in the South. Can't find a single slave.

But I can still see that Federal Voting Acts that still regulate elections here.

And I can still read your posts. You feel ... what ? Superior ? For saving what ? The slaves you don't own ?

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:15 PM (hk7Ln)

257 >>The exact logic still used today. Why do you bitch so much that we're in charge ?
Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:13 PM (hk7Ln)

It's a shame that Sherman missed your progenitors.

Posted by: garrett at July 25, 2025 04:16 PM (oSEaw)

258 most of the Vaparaiso area is nice.

And only 20 minutes from Gary IN.

Posted by: DaveA at July 25, 2025 04:16 PM (FhXTo)

259 218 was watching a bit of youtube a while ago and learned, from a video about the history of pockets in women's clothing, there are actually professional historians who specialize in pockets.
Posted by: anachronda

I saw a Youtube channel of a woman she is a Historian on Hair, she uses the same tools that they would have used from Roman to the Middle Ages, it was really interesting.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 25, 2025 04:17 PM (FCrpy)

260 Lincoln was a tyrant.
Posted by: Long Memory

The Lincoln who said he'd hold the reins of McClellan's horse if he'd only start winning battles? That tyrant?

Remember, the real northern tyranny, to the extent it could be called that, came about after Lincoln's assassination by that idiot Booth. Lincoln did not want to punish the South. But the Radical Republicans did.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:17 PM (77rzZ)

261 248 I care about both. We have a shit ton of people here that do not belong

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Agree. We shouldn't stop at deporting all illegals, we need to export legal status granted via fraud and stupid decisions - like the gang bangers with visas and revoke citizenship when fraud was involved (brother marriage Omar).
Posted by: Smellslikevictory at July 25, 2025 04:14 PM (19Jrv)

#1... Dual Citizenship has to go. The Supreme Court made it legal by fiat, even though the Constitution says the Congress gets to decide Citizenship issues, and had LONG made dual citizenship illegal.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 25, 2025 04:17 PM (mP0Kj)

262 For as long as I can remember, Southern apologists have acted like the Fugitive Slave Act didn't exist.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Slavery depended on new cotton ground about once per generation. It had largely become uneconomical for other crops (rice in the lowlands and sugar cane in LA excepting) and training slaves for work ended up with them doing a Frederick Douglass and fleeing to the North or later Canada.

The fire eaters pushing the South to leave the Union were by and large young hotheads--they figured the North would not fight to bring them back. They were fatally, in many cases, dead wrong.

Lincoln though bears some of the blame as his continued mis steps and his inclusion of the Northern version of fireeaters in his Cabinet created a bigger war than otherwise. His actions demanding wavering states like Virginia use their state militias to put down their Deep South brethren did not play well at all along with his other early actions as president.

I think the whole crisis could have and should have been avoided but decisionmakers, like in WWI, made the wrong decisions time and again to avert a catastrophe.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 04:17 PM (ctrM5)

263 It's a shame that Sherman missed your progenitors.

Posted by: garrett at July 25, 2025 04:16 PM (oSEaw)

He was only shooting white men. Not queers on Vespas. An honest mistake.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:18 PM (hk7Ln)

264 family in Italy saw five shackled bodies wash up on the shore."

Pinochet!!
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at July 25, 2025 03:34 PM (pbutw)

Shackles cost good money. Just stuff their feet through the holes in a cement block, and put a couple wraps of duct tape around their ankles.

Posted by: Retied Aero Pinochet Stewardess at July 25, 2025 04:18 PM (D59F4)

265 251 Oh my god you guys are going to fight the Civil War again.

I'm going to wait for the next.
Posted by: eleven at July 25, 2025 04:15 PM (fV+MH)

Does that mean we get to Burn Atlanta to the Ground again

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 25, 2025 04:18 PM (FCrpy)

266 I would have actively campaigned for a pile of swirling turds over Jeb Bush.
Posted by: Seems Legit at July 25, 2025

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We can help you with that

Posted by: Colace, Magnesium Citrate et al. at July 25, 2025 04:19 PM (omVj0)

267 262 The fire eaters pushing the South to leave the Union were by and large young hotheads--they figured the North would not fight to bring them back. They were fatally, in many cases, dead wrong.

Lincoln though bears some of the blame as his continued mis steps and his inclusion of the Northern version of fireeaters in his Cabinet created a bigger war than otherwise. His actions demanding wavering states like Virginia use their state militias to put down their Deep South brethren did not play well at all along with his other early actions as president.

I think the whole crisis could have and should have been avoided but decisionmakers, like in WWI, made the wrong decisions time and again to avert a catastrophe.
Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 04:17 PM (ctrM5)

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If Lincoln hadn't called up 70,000 troops, the war might not have happened.

If South Carolina hadn't tried to steal Fort Sumter, it definitely wouldn't have happened.

If Andrew Jackson had hung John C. Calhoun, the fire eaters would probably never have gained political power in South Carolina, and the war would probably never have happened.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 04:19 PM (GBKbO)

268 >>Lincoln was a tyrant.

For as long as I can remember, the South has been at War with Butthurt.
Posted by: garrett at July 25, 2025 04:11 PM (oSEaw)

Always a smart idea to declare war on a nation that outnumbers you 21 million to about 10, three million of which was enslaved Northern Sympathizers. Then chip in the total lack of a navy with a huge exposed coast line and an export economy, nearly no arms industry to speak of all because of something that might happen in the future.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:19 PM (8avO+)

269 They locked up Germans and Italians too, or some. And there was real sabotage in WWI from German nationals who had immigrated here.
Posted by: Oldcat

Kept the whole Territory of Hawaii under martial law for virtually the entire duration of the war. Was living there during the VJ 50th galla. Lots of interesting articles, lots of people still alive telling their stories. Lots of spies, some sabotage, no known convictions. It was martial law. The perps were simply picked up by MPs and never heard from again.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 25, 2025 04:19 PM (/lPRQ)

270 >>He was only shooting white men. Not queers on Vespas. An honest mistake.
Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:18 PM (hk7Ln)

So your Grandad was a Fag? Sounds about right.

Posted by: garrett at July 25, 2025 04:20 PM (oSEaw)

271 She tried to block ICE from arresting an Illegal
BREAKING: I’m told by federal law enforcement sources that the female medical worker, DANIELLE NADINE DAVILA, was just arrested by HSI agents and is now in federal custody. She is also charged with 18 USC 111, assaulting/resisting/impeding federal agents.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 25, 2025 04:20 PM (FCrpy)

272 Oh my god you guys are going to fight the Civil War again.
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Only 1 question remains: With long bows or crossbows?

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:20 PM (krQz2)

273 Remember, the real northern tyranny, to the extent it could be called that, came about after Lincoln's assassination by that idiot Booth. Lincoln did not want to punish the South. But the Radical Republicans did.
Posted by: Bulg
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Lincoln would have had the same problems that Johnson did as the Northern version of fireeaters were determined to destroy the planter class they held responsible for the war.

We simply do not know how Lincoln would have behaved post war as he was capable of soaring rhetoric but combined with often contradictory actions.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 04:20 PM (ctrM5)

274 he tried to block ICE from arresting an Illegal
BREAKING: I’m told by federal law enforcement sources that the female medical worker, DANIELLE NADINE DAVILA, was just arrested by HSI agents and is now in federal custody. She is also charged with 18 USC 111, assaulting/resisting/impeding federal agents.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 25, 2025 04:20 PM (FCrpy)
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Soon to be dropped, shackled in the middle of the Atlantic.

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:21 PM (krQz2)

275 273 Lincoln would have had the same problems that Johnson did as the Northern version of fireeaters were determined to destroy the planter class they held responsible for the war.

We simply do not know how Lincoln would have behaved post war as he was capable of soaring rhetoric but combined with often contradictory actions.
Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 04:20 PM (ctrM5)

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I doubt corruption would have been as bad. But who knows.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 04:21 PM (GBKbO)

276 There are between 500 to 750K H1Bs in the US currently and they are not allowed to vote in federal, state or local elections.

Posted by: pawn at July 25, 2025 04:21 PM (QB+5g)

277 272 Oh my god you guys are going to fight the Civil War again.
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Only 1 question remains: With long bows or crossbows?

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:20 PM (krQz2)

Should I go long on crossbows? Or short on long bows?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 25, 2025 04:22 PM (ynpvh)

278 Don't worry illegals, I've heard that Hunter "Crack" Biden is on the case and will soon form an Army to invade South America to bring you all back along with shit load of cocaine Ayeee!

Posted by: Cheri at July 25, 2025 04:22 PM (oiNtH)

279 >>The exact logic still used today. Why do you bitch so much that we're in charge ?
Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:13 PM (hk7Ln)

It's a shame that Sherman missed your progenitors.
Posted by: garrett at July 25, 2025 04:16 PM (oSEaw)

Heh. My great-great-grandfather served in the 79th Pennsylvania Volunteer Inf. Rgt. and participated in the March to the Sea.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 25, 2025 04:22 PM (pJWtt)

280 If Lincoln hadn't called up 70,000 troops, the war might not have happened.

If South Carolina hadn't tried to steal Fort Sumter, it definitely wouldn't have happened.

If Andrew Jackson had hung John C. Calhoun, the fire eaters would probably never have gained political power in South Carolina, and the war would probably never have happened.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 04:19 PM (GBKbO)

The Rebs had already stolen many other forts and places, and Federal armories. They fired on Sumter because they wanted a war, they remembered how secessionists where humiliated in 1850 when nobody backed them. They knew that war breaking out would bring the others with them, even so called moderates.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:22 PM (8avO+)

281 I don't want Rubio anywhere close to the 28 ticket. He has shown himself to be an utterl hack time and again.

Posted by: Long time guy at July 25, 2025 04:23 PM (E2+Uh)

282 Oh my god you guys are going to fight the Civil War again.

I'm going to wait for the next.
Posted by: eleven

Just by calling it the "Civil War" shows what side you are on, Yankee!

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 25, 2025 04:23 PM (/lPRQ)

283 272 Oh my god you guys are going to fight the Civil War again.
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Only 1 question remains: With long bows or crossbows?

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:20 PM (krQz2)

Should I go long on crossbows? Or short on long bows?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 25, 2025 04:22 PM (ynpvh)

Breach-loading Repeaters

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 25, 2025 04:23 PM (pJWtt)

284 I saw a clip of some local Miami “news” station complaining that the food there was sub-par. Sub-par!!!
Can you imagine? They’re not serving wagyu beef to illegals. I mean if this doesn’t prove Trump is Hitler I don’t know what will.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
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The local channels near me might be even more full of crap than the network "news".
They have been doing negative stories about alligator Alcatraz almost every single night. And most of them are on the same level as this complaint. And of course it's a " concentration
camp ".
And Trump is Hitler. And DeSantis is possibly even worse.
And they all put on their best concerned look when they report about it.

Posted by: Florida Peasant at July 25, 2025 04:23 PM (Lo97M)

285 So your Grandad was a Fag? Sounds about right.

Posted by: garrett at July 25, 2025 04:20 PM (oSEaw)

Sharecroppers. The White Trash of the South. Kinda' like Indentured Servants up by you - but with no end date on the contract.

Sharecroppers got to bow at the plantation owners, same as blacks. And they got to sit in the middle rows instead of the back - assuming the blacks were allowed in.

Didn't matter. Their shacks got burnt all the same. Yay Sherman.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:24 PM (hk7Ln)

286 Always a smart idea to declare war on a nation that outnumbers you 21 million to about 10, three million of which was enslaved Northern Sympathizers. Then chip in the total lack of a navy with a huge exposed coast line and an export economy, nearly no arms industry to speak of all because of something that might happen in the future.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:19 PM (8avO+)

People often forget the timing of all this... the South Succeeded on Dec 20 1860... but the fighting did not start until April 12 1861... and Congress did not declare 'War Aims' until July...

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 25, 2025 04:24 PM (mP0Kj)

287 It's a shame that Sherman missed your progenitors.
Posted by: garrett at July 25, 2025 04:16 PM (oSEaw)

Heh. My great-great-grandfather served in the 79th Pennsylvania Volunteer Inf. Rgt. and participated in the March to the Sea.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 25, 2025 04:22 PM (pJWtt)

My relative was with the Army of the Potomac for the big battles and with Sherman to Atlanta. Battery's term was up after that and went back to Cincinnati.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:24 PM (8avO+)

288 And the thing is, the South held the constitutional high ground in the slavery debate, since that institution is indirectly recognized in the Constitution. They could have stonewalled for years on the issue.

But by withdrawing from Congress, they lost all leverage on the issue and pissed off those Northerners who weren't all that keen on abolition, but now advocated it as a way of punishing the South.

It was an idiotic mood on the South's part.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:24 PM (77rzZ)

289 Heh. My great-great-grandfather served in the 79th Pennsylvania Volunteer Inf. Rgt. and participated in the March to the Sea.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 25, 2025 04:22 PM (pJWtt)
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Mine was an officer in the 10th Ohio Independent Battery (17th Corp, Army of the Tennessee) and fought in the Atlanta Campaign.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 25, 2025 04:24 PM (LxER7)

290 Oh my god you guys are going to fight the Civil War again.
Posted by: eleven at July 25, 2025 04:15 PM

Are you referring, suh, to the War of Northern Aggression?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2025 04:25 PM (0sNs1)

291 Nood

Posted by: Thanatopsis at July 25, 2025 04:25 PM (GYt5+)

292 286 People often forget the timing of all this... the South Succeeded on Dec 20 1860... but the fighting did not start until April 12 1861... and Congress did not declare 'War Aims' until July...
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 25, 2025 04:24 PM (mP0Kj)

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South Carolina seceded on Dec 20.

The rest of the South didn't secede until Lincoln called for those 70,000 troops in April.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 04:25 PM (GBKbO)

293 285 So your Grandad was a Fag? Sounds about right.

Posted by: garrett at July 25, 2025 04:20 PM (oSEaw)

Sharecroppers. The White Trash of the South. Kinda' like Indentured Servants up by you - but with no end date on the contract.

Sharecroppers got to bow at the plantation owners, same as blacks. And they got to sit in the middle rows instead of the back - assuming the blacks were allowed in.

Didn't matter. Their shacks got burnt all the same. Yay Sherman.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:24 PM (hk7Ln)

At least Sherman left them some nice bowties...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 25, 2025 04:25 PM (ynpvh)

294 Always a smart idea to declare war on a nation that outnumbers you 21 million to about 10, three million of which was enslaved Northern Sympathizers. Then chip in the total lack of a navy with a huge exposed coast line and an export economy, nearly no arms industry to speak of all because of something that might happen in the future.

Posted by: Oldcat

American Revolution was fought at far greater odds. In both the Revolutionary War and the ACW, the rebels sought European intervention. They got France in the first case, no aid in the second.

Had England or France gotten involved to support the South, the story might have been very different.

Simply put, the Southern fireeaters thought they had to fight even on unfavorable grounds at the time or they would have lost all anyway. You can read their speeches or letters about it.

I think leftists nowadays are considering the same thing (as was people in Red states if the horrific Biden era continued). At a certain point, it is easy to fall into the fight or submit frame of mind.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 04:25 PM (ctrM5)

295 283 272 Oh my god you guys are going to fight the Civil War again.
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Only 1 question remains: With long bows or crossbows?

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:20 PM (krQz2)

Should I go long on crossbows? Or short on long bows?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 25, 2025 04:22 PM (ynpvh)

Breach-loading Repeaters
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 25, 2025 04:23 PM (pJWtt)

Litchfield or Lancaster Repeater?

Yeah... replaying Red Dead 2...

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 25, 2025 04:25 PM (mP0Kj)

296 Breach-loading Repeaters
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 25, 2025 04:23 PM

So, assless?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 25, 2025 04:26 PM (0sNs1)

297 But by withdrawing from Congress, they lost all leverage on the issue and pissed off those Northerners who weren't all that keen on abolition, but now advocated it as a way of punishing the South.

It was an idiotic mood on the South's part.
Posted by: Bulg
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Sparta and Athens destroyed themselves for similar reasons.

Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 04:26 PM (ctrM5)

298 People often forget the timing of all this... the South Succeeded on Dec 20 1860... but the fighting did not start until April 12 1861... and Congress did not declare 'War Aims' until July...
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 25, 2025 04:24 PM (mP0Kj)

Lincoln wasn't even President until March 4. Buchannan had to turn out the secessionists out of his Cabinet including the minister of War.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:27 PM (8avO+)

299 Always a smart idea to declare war on a nation that outnumbers you 21 million to about 10, three million of which was enslaved Northern Sympathizers. Then chip in the total lack of a navy with a huge exposed coast line and an export economy, nearly no arms industry to speak of all because of something that might happen in the future.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025

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And the South had much less in the way of rail track, much of it in *different gauges*, so a train sometimes had to stop, unload, and load everything into a different train that could run on the next portion of track.

Rhett Butler was right in that the South had no chance.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 25, 2025 04:27 PM (omVj0)

300 If South Carolina hadn't tried to steal Fort Sumter, it definitely wouldn't have happened.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 04:19 PM (GBKbO)
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WTF country would allow another country to have a military fort right in the middle of it's territory?

The states were allowed to secede under the AoC, which the Constitution did not reverse in rights reserved for the states.

It was a dick move saying that they still belonged to the union.

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:27 PM (krQz2)

301 300 WTF country would allow another country to have a military fort right in the middle of it's territory?

The states were allowed to secede under the AoC, which the Constitution did not reverse in rights reserved for the states.

It was a dick move saying that they still belonged to the union.
Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:27 PM (krQz2)

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Probably should have stayed in Congress to try and get that fort back instead of just stealing it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 04:28 PM (GBKbO)

302 I think we ought to have a regularly scheduled time a s separate thread when conservative posters fight over the War Between the States,/ the. Civil War / The War of. Northern Aggression and insult each other .That way others could avoid it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 25, 2025 04:28 PM (2GCMq)

303 Lincoln would have had the same problems that Johnson did as the Northern version of fireeaters were determined to destroy the planter class they held responsible for the war.
Posted by: whig

But Lincoln, as the savior of the Union, would have had a much stronger political hand to play than Johnson, who was already perceived as too sympathetic to the South due to his being from Tennessee.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:28 PM (77rzZ)

304 What's wrong with dual citizenship? My DIL and my grandkids have dual citizenship with Japan. A great plan B if the SHTF here in the US.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at July 25, 2025 04:29 PM (wBaIH)

305 The states were allowed to secede under the AoC, which the Constitution did not reverse in rights reserved for the states.
Posted by: Axeman

No, they were not. The AoC says that the Union is to be perpetual.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:30 PM (77rzZ)

306 Here it is ... lets fight the Civil War every day. Why ?

Because certain folks here still feel a certain smugness about it. A certain superiority.

I worked in Japan last month. Never walked around like "I kicked your ass". Because I didn't.

But certain people here really like to pretend they did.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:30 PM (hk7Ln)

307 Hawaii was considered by Army intel (it was a territory back then) to be "under control" in terms of possible espionage and sabotage, oddly enough. It was the west coast where the concern was. Even the Nihau incident didn't seem to shake the confidence about Hawaii.

And I believe some Italian-Americans were moved from "strategic" spots on the west coast - ports - where historically they were numerous. Including Fisherman's Wharf in SF and Little Italy in San Diego. Info on this is tough to find, strangely.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 25, 2025 04:30 PM (U/Byj)

308 Probably should have stayed in Congress to try and get that fort back instead of just stealing it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 04:28 PM (GBKbO)
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How does a seceded state manage to stay in Congress?

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:31 PM (krQz2)

309 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 25, 2025 04:28 PM (2GCMq)

Fen, you obviously didn't grow up in a family with five older siblings who loved to argue about politics. The arguments over the holiday dinner tables in my house growing up were epic entertainments worthy of DeMille.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:32 PM (77rzZ)

310 I can't believe we're still squabbling.

Of course the South was right ideologically.

The Union was entered into voluntarily and by right should be able to leave voluntarily.

Posted by: Long time guy at July 25, 2025 04:32 PM (E2+Uh)

311 American Revolution was fought at far greater odds. In both the Revolutionary War and the ACW, the rebels sought European intervention. They got France in the first case, no aid in the second.

Had England or France gotten involved to support the South, the story might have been very different.

Simply put, the Southern fireeaters thought they had to fight even on unfavorable grounds at the time or they would have lost all anyway. You can read their speeches or letters about it.

I think leftists nowadays are considering the same thing (as was people in Red states if the horrific Biden era continued). At a certain point, it is easy to fall into the fight or submit frame of mind.
Posted by: whig at July 25, 2025 04:25 PM (ctrM5)

Thousands of miles of ocean is a great force multiplier, as was the rivalries with France that meant Brits could not pile in too deeply on the US. Technology had also improved.

The US had little to worry about with intervention, the UK knew that war with the US would mean the loss of Canada and the Carribbean sugar plantations at a minimum. The UK would have had too much to handle even by the era of the Mexican War.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:32 PM (8avO+)

312 They just HAVE to paint an alligator logo on the plane tail!

Posted by: Bill Melater at July 25, 2025 04:34 PM (roMVq)

313 I can't believe we're still squabbling.

Of course the South was right ideologically.

The Union was entered into voluntarily and by right should be able to leave voluntarily.
Posted by: Long time guy at July 25, 2025 04:32 PM (E2+Uh)

Nope. One we had baby states and common property that door was shut. The constitution doesn't allow secession on purpose.

Ft Sumter was US property on US land. The state had no right to grab it back.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:34 PM (8avO+)

314 The states were allowed to secede under the AoC, which the Constitution did not reverse in rights reserved for the states.
Posted by: Axeman

No, they were not. The AoC says that the Union is to be perpetual.
Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:30 PM (77rzZ)
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I've always found that to be a pretty cynical reading. The Union wasn't un-perpetualized by the secession of states. It still remained, it still could remain.

If "the Union" was defined as "each and every state" currently in the Union, then what affect did adding states have on that "Union"?

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:35 PM (krQz2)

315 Probably should have stayed in Congress to try and get that fort back instead of just stealing it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 25, 2025 04:28 PM (GBKbO)
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How does a seceded state manage to stay in Congress?
Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:31 PM (krQz2)

Well technically they were not seceded since secession is illegal.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:36 PM (8avO+)

316 Nope. One we had baby states and common property that door was shut. The constitution doesn't allow secession on purpose.

Then its a suicide pact. Nope. Break it all down. Now.

The way you talk ? Makes me want to back the Communists.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:36 PM (hk7Ln)

317 The Union wasn't un-perpetualized by the secession of states. It still remained, it still could remain.

Not if they all decided to secede.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:36 PM (77rzZ)

318 I've always found that to be a pretty cynical reading. The Union wasn't un-perpetualized by the secession of states. It still remained, it still could remain.

If "the Union" was defined as "each and every state" currently in the Union, then what affect did adding states have on that "Union"?
Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:35 PM (krQz2)

Once you start taking funds from all the states to improve another, the ability to cleave them makes as much sense as chopping off an arm or leg.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:37 PM (8avO+)

319 The way you talk? Makes me want to back the Communists.
Posted by: Long Memory

Oh, brother.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:38 PM (77rzZ)

320 Fen, you obviously didn't grow up in a family with five older siblings who loved to argue about politics.

The opposite. She's used to saying "shut up" and it working.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:38 PM (hk7Ln)

321 Besides, the BoR says that states retain the rights not EXPLICITLY forbidden in the Constitution.

Where does it explicitly forbid succession?

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:38 PM (krQz2)

322 Nope. One we had baby states and common property that door was shut. The constitution doesn't allow secession on purpose.

Then its a suicide pact. Nope. Break it all down. Now.

The way you talk ? Makes me want to back the Communists.
Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:36 PM (hk7Ln)

No southern state had had a hair of its head touched in 1860. Suicide was trying to break up the Union.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:39 PM (8avO+)

323 Well technically they were not seceded since secession is illegal.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:36 PM (8avO+)
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Well, that is the Might makes Right interpretation. Yeah.

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:39 PM (krQz2)

324 304 What's wrong with dual citizenship? My DIL and my grandkids have dual citizenship with Japan. A great plan B if the SHTF here in the US.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at July 25, 2025 04:29 PM (wBaIH)

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Maybe that’s part of the problem.

No divided loyalties.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at July 25, 2025 04:40 PM (ifskw)

325 Even if you concede that the South had a "right" to secede (which I do not), how do you justify that it was a wise thing to do? Because it was a profoundly stupid thing to do, especially given the cause in which it was done.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:40 PM (77rzZ)

326 Oh, brother.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:38 PM (77rzZ)

Whatever. How great do you really enjoy this arrangement ?

At least 10% of the debt - because we don't balance the budget - is getting foisted on the South and Midwest because the NorthEast and West Coast are still printing money.

Because they can. Because all the real levers of power are Ivy League. Again ... the NorthEast and West Coast.

I'm tired of propping my Masters up.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:41 PM (hk7Ln)

327 Whatever. How great do you really enjoy this arrangement?

Yes, being a collection of squabbling micro-states like medieval Germany or the Balkans is so much more preferable.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:43 PM (77rzZ)

328 And the South had much less in the way of rail track, much of it in *different gauges*, so a train sometimes had to stop, unload, and load everything into a different train that could run on the next portion of track.

Rhett Butler was right in that the South had no chance.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 25, 2025 04:27 PM (omVj0)

there was a break in central Alabama where the trains were offloaded onto steamboats for a few dozen miles and reloaded on trains to the west. I don't recall if they ever converted those to rail.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:43 PM (8avO+)

329 Even if you concede that the South had a "right" to secede (which I do not), how do you justify that it was a wise thing to do? Because it was a profoundly stupid thing to do, especially given the cause in which it was done.
Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:40 PM (77rzZ)
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Whether stupid or wise is entirely a separate matter. States had the right to withdraw, it was a dick move to expect to keep forts in their territory.

Because I'm damn sure the Union wouldn't just settle for Confederate forts strewn across the North, would they?

It's a ambiguous gap that one side just decided to play as a trump card.

It wasn't *wise* for everybody who spoke against the King to speak against the King, in one sense.

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:43 PM (krQz2)

330 I'm tired of propping my Masters up.
Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:41 PM (hk7Ln)

They might be your masters, but they aren't mine.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:43 PM (8avO+)

331 Yes, being a collection of squabbling micro-states like medieval Germany or the Balkans is so much more preferable.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:43 PM (77rzZ)

You keep saying ... its better if we are together ... and I keep telling you ... no. Its not.

At some point, no has to trump (no pun intended) yes.

I would find it preferable.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:46 PM (hk7Ln)

332 Because I'm damn sure the Union wouldn't just settle for Confederate forts strewn across the North, would they?

Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:43 PM (krQz2)

they did when the English refused to evacuate English Forts in the Northwest territories in Michigan and northwest Ohio.

They tried expeditions north to the Toledo area and suffered a great defeat in Washington's presidency, but a subsequent expedition captured the fort and England evacuated the rest in the 1790s

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:47 PM (8avO+)

333 Yes, being a collection of squabbling micro-states like medieval Germany or the Balkans is so much more preferable.

Or said another way ? Wherever you squabble ?

The Canadians squabble. I don't care. That boundary can move. Especially if the nasal talkers that can't sing bluegrass go somewhere else.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:48 PM (hk7Ln)

334 You keep saying ... its better if we are together ... and I keep telling you ... no. Its not.

At some point, no has to trump (no pun intended) yes.

I would find it preferable.
Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:46 PM (hk7Ln)

he's telling you what the Americans of the time believed in an era where Europe was a huge threat and the wars inside it were brutal and destructive. They wanted none of that here, just one overarching government to manage the collectives of states.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:48 PM (8avO+)

335 I am going to engage in a moment of poetry.

Fuck NPR.
Fuck PBS.
And I don't give a fuck how many tears Ken Burns weeps.

All done.

That whole cabal, CPB, PBS, and NPR, now have unlimited opportunities to chart their future. More like rack up failures.

I will consider them on the road to reform when they start running Smith & Wesson ads, take an editorial stance that Obama is an anti American Communist, and start referring the Left as pariahs. Till then, nah bruh, your homo puppets just ain't for me.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at July 25, 2025 04:49 PM (NXz8h)

336 Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:46 PM (hk7Ln)

I would have loved to see the Confederate government's reaction, had they won their independence, when South Carolina would've tried to secede from the Confederacy. Because you know SC would've tried it at some point.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:50 PM (77rzZ)

337 No southern state had had a hair of its head touched in 1860. Suicide was trying to break up the Union.
Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:39 PM (8avO+)

Economics much? Sorry, not trying to make you look foolish.

Posted by: Long time guy at July 25, 2025 04:51 PM (E2+Uh)

338 Well technically they were not seceded since secession is illegal.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:36 PM (8avO+)
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Well, that is the Might makes Right interpretation. Yeah.
Posted by: Axeman at July 25, 2025 04:39 PM (krQz2)

When you start fighting, that's the only interpretation there is. If they had talked it out over beers in 1859 perhaps a different settlement would have happened. But they did not, and they did not take fair votes either.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:52 PM (8avO+)

339 he's telling you what the Americans of the time believed in an era where Europe was a huge threat and the wars inside it were brutal and destructive. They wanted none of that here, just one overarching government to manage the collectives of states.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:48 PM (8avO+)

Well ... they ain't now. And thing would be simpler if certain areas just joined Canada. Like that entire strip that's the upper arm of New England.

Because now - most people are just a pain in the ass. And we are three cultures held together by one nation-state. And I'm tired of paying just because my ancestors lost a long time ago.

And Yankees suck. Every time I talk to them. Today has been too much.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:52 PM (hk7Ln)

340 And Yankees suck. Every time I talk to them. Today has been too much.
Posted by: Long Memory

Fine. Move then, to a place without any Yankees.

Mauretania might suit you. I believe they still practice slavery there.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:54 PM (77rzZ)

341 I would have loved to see the Confederate government's reaction, had they won their independence, when South Carolina would've tried to secede from the Confederacy. Because you know SC would've tried it at some point.

It would have been over Clemson. And I don't know who they would have played at that point. Notre Dame didn't play ball. Alabama didn't.

But it would have been Clemson.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:54 PM (hk7Ln)

342 No southern state had had a hair of its head touched in 1860. Suicide was trying to break up the Union.
Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:39 PM (8avO+)

Economics much? Sorry, not trying to make you look foolish.
Posted by: Long time guy at July 25, 2025 04:51 PM (E2+Uh)

Not sure what economic ill you are speaking of. Times were good in the prewar South, pretty much. None of the states who gave a statement about their reasons mentioned much about economic reasons.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:54 PM (8avO+)

343 The Confederacy sucked.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:54 PM (77rzZ)

344 Mauretania might suit you. I believe they still practice slavery there.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:54 PM (77rzZ)

Its why I stay in places with High Humidity and Pollen. Yes, its hard on the body. But it has its benefits.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:55 PM (hk7Ln)

345 Well ... they ain't now.
Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:52 PM (hk7Ln)

We aren't discussing now.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:55 PM (8avO+)

346 The Confederacy sucked.
Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:54 PM (77rzZ)

Hung a lot of anti-war Tennesseans.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 25, 2025 04:56 PM (8avO+)

347 Its why I stay in places with High Humidity and Pollen. Yes, its hard on the body. But it has its benefits.
Posted by: Long Memory

OK, that made me chuckle a little.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:56 PM (77rzZ)

348 The Confederacy sucked.

Posted by: Bulg at July 25, 2025 04:54 PM (77rzZ)

And the Union sucked. A ton of them boys were Irish, right off the boat, more or less impressed. Don't act like it was some Yankee Farmboy Volunteer Go Save the Black Thing.

Because that would be a lie.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 04:59 PM (hk7Ln)

349 It's funny, the Big Ten is going to over take the SEC with superior resources.

It's almost like the Civil War. North VS South LOL.

Posted by: Long time guy at July 25, 2025 05:03 PM (E2+Uh)

350 It's funny, the Big Ten is going to over take the SEC with superior resources.

Another irony. I care less about Football almost than Basketball.

Never once have I sit on a jobsite and thought - if only I could get a Power Forward. Or Pulling Guard. Or Kaitlan Clark or who the fuck ever.

Take all those stupid pursuits over, Big 10. Please.

Posted by: Long Memory at July 25, 2025 05:07 PM (hk7Ln)

351 I hope Alligator Alcatraz Airlines gets to be so busy that they need to acquire more passenger jets.

Posted by: Jenn at July 25, 2025 05:19 PM (vgFyx)

352 If the politicians can start talking now about net negative immigration next year, that means it can be achieved. Just do it, and quit "suggesting" it as a "maybe." Americans have put up with this problem for far too long, and paid far too much money on illegal aliens. Step up the pressure, and move 'em out. Now is not the time to lose momentum.

Posted by: Kelly B Moffitt at July 25, 2025 06:22 PM (kFqLI)

353 LETS SEND A WHOLE LOT OF DEMOCRATS BACK WITH THEM SO THEY CAN HAVE SOME COMPANY

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at July 25, 2025 06:34 PM (wGqjj)

354 Why do I hear the Head Em up ,move Em out song in my head?

Posted by: Nolan Parker at July 25, 2025 06:37 PM (DK70w)

355 a GoFundMe campaign that raised $80 before being shut down.

$80 here, $80 there, and soon you’re talking real money.

Posted by: Kevin at July 25, 2025 11:02 PM (caBlR)

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