Trump Tries to Quell MAGA Frustration Over Jeffrey Epstein Files

A lot of leftwingers are enjoying this. I saw longtime Nothing-to-See-Here Fake Reporter Jake Tapper doing a sudden 180 and demanding a full and vigorous investigation into the Epstein files.

But the left is fishing in already-troubled waters, as MAGA influencers -- political entrepreneurs, mostly -- like Laura Loomer, Steven Bannon, and Tucker Carlson continue stoking suspicions and making insinuations.

Politico:

President Donald Trump faces a fast-metastasizing MAGA rebellion amid fallout over his administration's handling of the files from the criminal investigation into Jeffrey Epstein.
And some of his closest allies are cautioning the situation for the president will get worse before it gets better -- even as it threatens to derail his megabill victory lap and continues to divide parts of his administration and, more broadly, his supporters.
Trump has tried twice in as many days to tamp down his base's anger, posting to Truth Social Saturday that he didn't "like what's happening" among his own supporters. He also threw his support behind Attorney General Pam Bondi, who has taken the brunt of much of the right's ire over the Epstein files. Several news organizations have also reported that Bondi clashed with Deputy FBI Director Dan Bongino over the files.
After disembarking Air Force One Sunday at Joint Base Andrews, Trump faced a question about Bongino, who skipped work Friday. Trump insisted that he's "a very good guy. ... He sounded terrific, actually. No, I think he's in good shape."
Mike Davis, the MAGA legal brawler and occasional Oval Office visitor, has taken up defending Trump's DOJ, said in an interview that "the Trump Justice Department wanted to be fully transparent, but can't." He added: "This is a case of no good deed going unpunished."
Davis argues DOJ can't release more, including that there is grand jury material involved, court records under seal, child pornography involved, the need to protect victims of "heinous crimes," and "unsubstantiated, bogus claims, like we saw during the Kavanaugh proceedings, where you had double and even triple hearsay."
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The split over Epstein represents one of the biggest rifts within Trump's supporters since the president took office for his second term. On one side are MAGA supporters who push claims that Epstein was murdered in his jail cell and that the disgraced financier had kept a list of high-profile clients. But Trump's DOJ and FBI have concluded that there's no evidence for either.
On Monday morning, the conservative influencer Benny Johnson outlined a four-pronged approach for Trump to fix what he called "the Epstein memo crisis," including calling for a press conference and bringing in former President Bill Clinton for "questioning."
Laura Loomer, the MAGA activist who is influential in Trump's inner circle and visits everyone from Vice President JD Vance to Trump himself, isn't convinced that the president has sufficiently quelled MAGA's frustrations.
"I don't think that just putting out a Truth Social post is going to make this issue go away. It's kind of had a Streisand effect, actually, where people are focusing on this topic a lot more than they were before he posted a Truth Social," Loomer told POLITICO. "I think that it would be wise for the White House to develop some type of a strategy in addressing the base's concerns, so that we can mitigate any fallout or damage done to the Trump administration.
Loomer is also calling for a special counsel appointed to do an independent investigation of the handling of the Epstein files so that people can feel like this issue is being investigated, and perhaps take it out of [Bondi's] hands, because I don't think that she has been transparent or done a good job handling this issue."

ABC "News" was never interested in the Epstein case... until now.

Former New Jersey GOP Gov. Chris Christie says President Trump has "benefited" from and "encouraged" conspiracy theories about Jeffrey Epstein and therefore bears responsibility for the fallout about the now-closed Justice Department probe into the deceased financier and convicted sex-offender.
Trump vowed during his winning 2024 to look into Epstein's death while in jail, now ruled a suicide, and whether he indeed has an incriminating "client list," which the Trump administration says, in fact, does not exist.
Trump MAGA base feels misled and has the largely heaped the criticsm on Attorney General Pam Bondi.
"Well, look, what Donald Trump is learning is when you start the fire, sometimes you can't put it out," Christie, a 2016 GOP presidential candidate and on-again-off-again Trump supporter, told ABC News on Sunday.
"Now, he started this Epstein fire during the campaign and prior to that by alleging that this was all some, you know, Democratic plot, that he was perhaps murdered by former Democratic officeholders, that there were a lot of Democrats who had been down to Jeffrey Epstein's island and all the rest.
"He used that to fire his own base, and he was going to get to the bottom of it, and he was going to release it because he's in -- absolutely in favor of transparency," Christie continued. "Well, now you get into the job and you realize -- you know, 'maybe I don't want to do that.'"
Christie said that Bondi is doing what Trump wants her to.
"And let's be clear about this: Pam Bondi -- there's no chance, in my opinion, that Pam Bondi made this decision on her own. No chance. She was instructed by the White House that we're not releasing this stuff. And that's why he's defending her," Christie said.
Christie also pushed back on the suggestion that it was mostly the people around Trump who were encouraging the conspiracy theories about Epstein.
"We cannot let the president off that easily. He benefited directly from it. He fueled it. He encouraged it. And he certainly didn't stop it," Christie said.

Gislaine Maxwell says she's willing to testify about Epstein's ring.

Ghislaine Maxwell, the former girlfriend and madame to the late Jeffrey Epstein, is willing to testify before Congress about the Epstein Files, the Daily Mail reported Monday, citing "sources."
"Despite the rumors, Ghislaine was never offered any kind of plea deal. She would be more than happy to sit before Congress and tell her story," a source told the outlet. "She remains the only person to be jailed in connection to Epstein and she would welcome the chance to tell the American public the truth."
Maxwell is currently serving a 20-year prison sentence for sex-trafficking and array of other charges in connection with her procurement of minors for Epstein's pleasure.
She has further cast doubt on the official narrative surrounding Epstein's death, asserting that he was murdered and did not kill himself.

I believe she continues insisting that she did nothing wrong. So I'm not sure how candid her testimony would be.

Trump posted on Truth Social, making the claim -- which cannot be supported -- that the whole Epstein scandal was created by the Clintons and Deep State operatives as some kind of op against him.

This is an ill-advised post by Trump, and a futile effort. Trump has had great sway over his voters, and they have accepted some preposterous claims from him, like that Ron DeSantis was actually a Covid Panican and is a Deep State stooge, just because Trump needed that storyline to be believed for his own purposes.

But he's not going to be able to reverse people's decades-old suspicions about Jeffrey Epstein just by posting "These aren't the files you're looking for." It's a bridge too far.

Obviously it's not true that we're only talking about Epstein because the left invented the scandal -- this has been a major story on the right for years, and Trump has pushed it as a story.

Trump's personal lawyer, then promoted to be US Attorney for NJ, promised "accountability" and the release of all the flight logs, etc.

Megyn Kelly floated the speculation that Biden's people (Obama's people, in other words) rewrote and edited the Epstein files so that they "drew a straight arrow towards Trump," in an effort to booby-trap the files so that Trump would blow himself up were he to release them.

I dunno about that. Ben Shapiro, in that clip, says that he hears from sources close to Bongino and Patel that everything that can be released has been released, and there's just not the evidence of Epstein blackmailing Democrats that we'd all like to see.

Shapiro feels the same way I do: Patel and Bongino have proven themselves completely trustworthy as regards their efforts against the Deep State, and if they say there's no there there (or at least not the "there" we all expected/wanted), then it's hard to conclude they've suddenly become liars in the service of the Deep State.

He also calls for those with suspicions that Trump is covering up to save himself to stop hinting about it, get some balls, and just say it instead of insinuating it.

Here's Jake Tapper, suddenly on the Jeffrey Epstein beat ten years too late, just like he was late on Joe Biden's senility:

CNN's Jake Tapper is now calling for the Trump administration to release the Epstein documents:

"This isn�t going to go away. The public, you�re being played for fools here." pic.twitter.com/xyN9GKBxkg
— Derrick Evans (@DerrickEvans4WV) July 9, 2025

I don't know what to think. I don't know if Trump is covering up for someone.

I mean, his name is definitely on Epstein's contact list -- we know they'd interacted in Palm Beach and of course Trump is someone Epstein would be interested in cultivating.

If it's just a matter of Trump's name being in Jeffrey Epstein's contact list -- so what? I know enough people that I can get Trump's phone number and add it to my phone if I really wanted to.

But maybe Trump is very worried that people will think it's more than that.

I know people also suspect that Epstein was a CIA asset, and yeah, that could be, but why would Trump cover up for them, especially if it costs him support from his loyalists? Trump hates the CIA (as well he should). Why would he want to protect them?

Alan Derschowitz says he knows for a fact there are documents naming a lot of names, but most of the people on Epstein's "lists" are completely innocent people he happened to know:

Lawyer Alan Dershowitz says that he "knows the names" on the Epstein list and that the Epstein files are being "suppressed" to protect people. He says he�s bound to confidentiality and can�t share the names but that files and names DO exist. Wow.pic.twitter.com/q8CpyMLeFb
— Robby Starbuck (@robbystarbuck) July 10, 2025

I think a lot of people have the idea that anyone whose phone number Epstein knew must have been some kind of "client," which might trouble Trump about releasing all the information.

Antisemitic firebrand Tucker Carlson, of course, blames Israel, as he blames Israel for everything, including outright controlling the US government and especially its foreign policy establishment.

(An establishment that is even more forward-leaning in their hatred of Israel and suspicions about Jews than Carlson is, of course.)

Conservative media personality Tucker Carlson on Monday challenged former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett to sit for an interview over Jeffrey Epstein and his ties to the Israeli government after the former world leader denied such allegations.
Carlson, over the weekend, explicitly expressed the belief that Epstein was likely working for Israeli intelligence, citing the testimony of former Trump Cabinet member Alex Acosta saying he was an intelligence asset and Ghislaine Maxwell's known links to the Mossad.
Bennett, in an apparent response, condemned Carlson on X, asserting that he was lying.
"As a former Israeli Prime Minister, with the Mossad having reported directly to me, I say to you with 100% certainty: The accusation that Jeffrey Epstein somehow worked for Israel or the Mossad running a blackmail ring is categorically and totally false," he said.

Despite Tucker Carlson's eagerness to blame everything on the Jews, the Mossad theory can't be outright dismissed -- especially when no other plausible alternative explanation is being offered.

As I've said, I trust Trump on this issue. Mind you, that's not to say I believe everything that he says. I certainly don't believe that this whole controversy was stoked by Hillary and Bill Clinton and the Deep State to damage Trump.

But I trust his overall judgment -- if he thinks this is a sleeping dog best let lie, I do think he's got good reasons for thinking that. I'm not at all satisfied with that -- but I am considering that we are on the verge of a violent civil war so I'm willing to let lesser agenda items slide for the purposes of remaining unified in the face of insurrectionary leftwing violence.

Like I said, I don't know what to think. I did -- I do -- believe that Epstein had underaged girls at his Pedo Island as an inducement for the Great and Good to come to his island, and that he surely exploited these compromised people for his benefit.

Did it rise to the level of actual blackmail? Here's the thing: I know a little about blackmail and it's a hard case to bring. Blackmailers know that what makes it a crime is directly linking their threat to the demand they're making of you, so they never actually put it like that. They will bring up a "favor" they want from you and will say "You know I'm being a good friend to you by not telling anyone what I know," but they avoid saying "Do this favor or I'll reveal what I know."

Blackmail is a tricky crime. It's not illegal to demand $10,000 from someone, particularly when you can invent some spurious grounds for claiming that it's a "debt" that's owed to you. It's also not illegal to tell someone that you intend to go public with the dirty information you know about them. "Journalists" do this every day.

What is illegal is to link the demand to the threat. And that's the only thing that's illegal, the blackmailer making the connection between the two things explicit.

Cops wire blackmail victims to get the blackmailer to make the linkage between demand and threat explicitly on audiotape, and blackmailers continue refusing to make the blackmail threat explicit.

Again, I know. I've seen it. Blackmailers are the lowest of the low, but they do have the minimum necessary intelligence to not say the one thing that makes their demand of a "favor" an actual felony.

So in a legalistic way, I can imagine that Bondi is halfway truthful in saying there is "no evidence of blackmail." No chargeable evidence, that is. Nothing she can bring to a court.

I don't know what happens here. I don't think Trump's stance is politically tenable and I think he'll have to offer something more than what's he's offering now.

It will be interesting to watch these people who make their money playing the Quien Es Mas MAGA? game try to simultaneously insinuate that Trump is a traitor while continuing to grift money as Ultimate MAGA Warriors.

Lara Trump now says that the files will be revealed -- just not yet.

🚨EXCLUSIVE: Lara Trump says the Trump administration Will Release more Epstein Evidence and Will Have More Transparency. She says that President Trump Hears the Base on this Issue and knows how "Important" it is and Trump will "set things right."

"There needs to be more� pic.twitter.com/iTtzUmN90H
— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) July 14, 2025

I don't know if people will be satisfied with more promises about what might happen in the future.

Posted by: Ace at 05:32 PM

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1
Pam Bondi's days are numbers. The drums of Mordor are getting louder.

Posted by: Frank Barone at July 14, 2025 05:33 PM (IifOV)

2 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at July 14, 2025 05:34 PM (GYt5+)

3 Pam Bondi started this by making big public promises at the outset, then walking away from them. If she'd have kept her mouth shut from the beginning, there wouldn't be such an outcry now.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2025 05:34 PM (uWKK8)

4 I always thought Epstein was just boob bait. I didn’t care, I never thought all roads lead through Epstein. He was just a sideshow typical deep state type.

But Trump has badly bungled this.

Just release everything like you promised. I can’t imagine the blowback from releasing it being more than the blowback from hiding it.

The only theory that really makes sense is that Epstein was Mossad and Trump is afraid it will cause anti- Israel sentiment.

Posted by: Maroon at July 14, 2025 05:34 PM (g0oCT)

5 I don't really think Bondi is covering up for anyone specifically; more like she's an incompetent glory hound who was way overpromoted.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2025 05:35 PM (uWKK8)

6 Pam Bondi's days are numbers. The drums of Mordor are getting louder.
Posted by: Frank Barone at July 14, 2025 05:33 PM (IifOV)

Prime? Irrational? Integers?

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 14, 2025 05:36 PM (wVcYX)

7 Is this thing on?

Posted by: Mr. Microphone at July 14, 2025 05:36 PM (G5+As)

8 I don't think Trump is stupid, and I do think he understands the concept of the Streisand Effect whether or not he knows it by that name.

No idea where this all will go...

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 14, 2025 05:36 PM (ULPxl)

9 Epstein Who?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 14, 2025 05:37 PM (/lPRQ)

10 I think this is a very large unforced error. But memory-holing all other accomplishments to date and pulling support based on it is stupid.

Posted by: In a nutshell at July 14, 2025 05:37 PM (TbWk/)

11
Please let this all be some clever set-up of dems.

Posted by: Auspex at July 14, 2025 05:37 PM (Y8DZL)

12 Despite Tucker Carlson's eagerness to blame everything on the Jews, the Mossad theory can't be outright dismissed -- especially when no other plausible alternative explanation is being offered.

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I can think of few !

1) He is still alive
2) Alien abduction
3) MI6 Asset and the rest of english speaking spy agencies

Posted by: runner at July 14, 2025 05:37 PM (g47mK)

13 Have any of you listened to the Ryan Dawson discussion of Epstein?

Posted by: Don in SoCo at July 14, 2025 05:38 PM (vd6bO)

14 I do think he brought up an interesting point: Trump claims that the Democrats doctored the files, adding in names and people they don't like and making them fraudulent and untrustworthy. THAT I can buy as being perfectly believable. But that's what you open with, you don't bury it in a 9000 word essay after 7 months in office.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 05:38 PM (dfIr7)

15 We are getting gaslit and op-ed by the left. Don’t fall for it. Yes, there are disagreements in MAGA over Epstein and what to do about it. There are disagreements in MAGA over fucking everything. That’s how political parties with a big tent work. Some of you MAGA poseurs don’t shake your manhattans! But the idea that anyone gives enough of a shit about some disgraced whoremonger to risk the almost endless winning is a leftwing op. Don’t fall for it.

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at July 14, 2025 05:39 PM (/oOuL)

16 >>> 13 Have any of you listened to the Ryan Dawson discussion of Epstein?
Posted by: Don in SoCo at July 14, 2025 05:38 PM (vd6bO)

I haven't heard of Ryan Dawson. What is he saying?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 14, 2025 05:39 PM (ULPxl)

17 I think I agree with your nuanced analysis of the situation here, ace.

And count me on the side of "this is fucked up that Trump is pulling this shit on us. It's not even a believable or GOOD lie."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 05:39 PM (uCjyK)

18 We really cannot go on saying, "well, there is no satisfactory explanation..so it has to be the MOSSAD !"

Posted by: runner at July 14, 2025 05:39 PM (g47mK)

19 The Left is jumping in because they want the $27B trade surplus story and the BBB passage narratives suppressed.

"Epstein" matters to content creators, it means more eyeballs for their channels and podcasts. "Epstein" doesn't put more money in taxpayers' wallets.

Posted by: mrp at July 14, 2025 05:39 PM (rj6Yv)

20 Only Epstein I know-Juan-died in 2012, as did Horshack.

Posted by: TV Guide at July 14, 2025 05:39 PM (G5+As)

21 People wouldn't be up in arms about this Epstein List stuff if politicians regularly were prosecuted for illegal sexual activity that we all know happens. So you could always do that instead.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 14, 2025 05:40 PM (B9Prs)

22 I had a teacher/mentor in the upper years of high school. Everyone did; it was a system there. They were called "tutors" and you generally met as a group.
This guy also thought blackmail should rate a high punishment, like actual hanging high. I didn't know why at the time; this guy had never done anything wrong as far as I know, especially not with kids.
But I'm guessing some of the fellow teachers had been blackmailed, not by kids but by random homos they might have met maybe in some other town. Which is the shit that destroys lives.

Posted by: gKWVE at July 14, 2025 05:41 PM (gKWVE)

23 People wouldn't be up in arms about this Epstein List stuff if politicians regularly were prosecuted for illegal sexual activity that we all know happens. So you could always do that instead.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 14, 2025 05:40 PM (B9Prs)

Like the House and Senate fund for covering it up?

Posted by: Oldcat at July 14, 2025 05:41 PM (8avO+)

24 Prime? Irrational? Integers?
Posted by: Count de Monet
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Bondi goes when Trump decides she goes and I doubt that will be anytime soon.

Basically, he is loyal to his people and only fires them for disloyalty.

Posted by: whig at July 14, 2025 05:42 PM (ctrM5)

25 14 I do think he brought up an interesting point: Trump claims that the Democrats doctored the files, adding in names and people they don't like and making them fraudulent and untrustworthy. THAT I can buy as being perfectly believable. But that's what you open with, you don't bury it in a 9000 word essay after 7 months in office.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 05:38 PM (dfIr7)

Then why wouldn't you say that? "Our evidence indicates these files were tampered with somewhere along the line, and the FBI is working diligently to discover who tampered with them, whether inside the government or not"

They're definitively saying "there is no list" "there was no blackmail" and "there are no videos", despite all of them previously (and all common sense) saying none of that is true.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 05:42 PM (uCjyK)

26 Hi ace!

We had an hours long power outage this afternoon. It sucked.

I made stuffed pork chops for supper.

The girl spawn lost her job due to budget deficits. She will be traveling with friends for a long weekend trip this Friday thru Monday. Prayers for their safety are welcome.

Just wanted to say hello. But the Epstein thing is of no interest to me so I shall skate away.

TTFN

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 14, 2025 05:42 PM (2J/Lj)

27 The huge dog which did not bark: No one in Congress is spinning up an investigation over the Epstein files. You know half the GOPe and all Democrats hate President Trump.

If they thought Epstein would help them get rid of President Trump, they'd have started an "investigation" Jan 21st.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 05:42 PM (tT6L1)

28 I do not care how many CIA agents are compromised by the truth. I don't care if Epstein was Mossad. That either of these agencies would be involved in Epstein's pedo ring is disgraceful, and any official involved in running that pile of crap needs to be run out of office on a rail.

I want to know if the John Roberts on the flight list was the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. I want every Pedo who was videoed molesting children named and tried in a court room outside of DC - which the DOJ absolutely can do.

Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at July 14, 2025 05:42 PM (Da7Vv)

29 Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2025 05:34 PM

Exactly.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at July 14, 2025 05:42 PM (eYAt4)

30 We really cannot go on saying, "well, there is no satisfactory explanation..so it has to be the MOSSAD !"
Posted by: runner at July 14, 2025 05:39 PM (g47mK)

This doesn't explain why our spies wouldn't put a bullet in him though.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 14, 2025 05:43 PM (8avO+)

31 I expected the Spanish Inquisition.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 14, 2025 05:43 PM (63Dwl)

32 Trump has really fumbled the handling of this, thinking people didn't care that much about the story. Its just given the left so much ammunition. THey are out there yelling "TRUMP IS IN THE FILES SO HE'S HIDING IT!" and promising they totes will release everything if you only put them back in office.

Yes the answers to that is super easy, but its still out there and lo-fo voters can be swayed with that.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 05:44 PM (dfIr7)

33 I haven't heard of Ryan Dawson. What is he saying?
_-_-_-_

Trying to find a good link, because the one I saw seems to have disappeared, but he was vigorously advocating that prosecutions are happening and that here is no "Epstein List" per se, but he has through investigative journalism compiled his own. I will keep looking for that link and post it here if I find it.

I had never heard of him when I saw the video, so I was curious to see what the Horde knew of or about him or his analysis.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at July 14, 2025 05:44 PM (vd6bO)

34 18 We really cannot go on saying, "well, there is no satisfactory explanation..so it has to be the MOSSAD !"
Posted by: runner at July 14, 2025 05:39 PM (g47mK)

And we can't ignore the obvious fact that people around Epstein all had connections to Mossad and the state of Israel.

Ghislaine Maxwells father, for example.

I tend to agree that this wasn't a Mossad-lead operation. There's no way the CIA would not have been involved here, especially knowing what Acosta said.

But it's perfectly reasonable to suspect Mossad (and MI-6) were involved as well.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 05:44 PM (uCjyK)

35
everything that can be released has been released

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What *can't* be released? And why?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 14, 2025 05:44 PM (xp7+v)

36 Just my opinion, but I think enacting the MAGA agenda is a lot more important than the Epstein list.

Posted by: Butch at July 14, 2025 05:44 PM (mdU1r)

37 ***political entrepreneurs***
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Never heard that before. Excellent representation of them.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 14, 2025 05:44 PM (Kq8pV)

38 This doesn't explain why our spies wouldn't put a bullet in him though.
Posted by: Oldcat at July 14, 2025 05:43 PM (8avO+)

That is now how spying business works !

Posted by: runner at July 14, 2025 05:45 PM (g47mK)

39 27 The huge dog which did not bark: No one in Congress is spinning up an investigation over the Epstein files. You know half the GOPe and all Democrats hate President Trump.

If they thought Epstein would help them get rid of President Trump, they'd have started an "investigation" Jan 21st.
Posted by: blake
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True. Same for the last four years under Biden or before. Hell, a majority of liberals still believe the stupid Russia Russia conspiracy got Trump elected in 2016 despite being extensively debunked.

This the effect of Government endlessly lying to us routinely in large and small matters. We are now a low trust society.

Posted by: whig at July 14, 2025 05:45 PM (ctrM5)

40 >>>What *can't* be released? And why?

they say that grand jury testimony "can't " be released

also victim statements where the victim doesn't want to be identified. I think this one can be gotten around, though, just by saying "VICTIM A," etc.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2025 05:46 PM (KRtlO)

41 I do wish President Trump would be more like VP Vance and give one sentence snark replies on X or whatever social media I don't have. Whatever!

I think this is going to backfire fabulously for Tucker, Loomer and that nasty, greasy Bannon...whom I have never liked. I bet he has fungus toenails,general BO, halitosis and reeks of whatever is on his hair (which, I realize, is not the point). He has done nothing but try to follow the late, great Andrew Brietbart. I equate him with the screeching Alex Jone guy. I put no one (but Ace) on a pedestal.

With Jake Tappy and others demanding the list, I think President Trump will eventually give them unredacted stuff that may horrify the masses. Then reply, sighing, "Well, you asked for this!"

I do agree with his long and wordy reply. He is fighting for much more than the Epstein deal. I voted mostly for DEPORTATIONS. Look, just look, at what he's done since late January.

And, please, stop looking at hysteria by social media clowns who simply want clicks. I don't know, but is it clicks for $ for them? Sort of GoFundMe?

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at July 14, 2025 05:46 PM (6PCLE)

42 21 People wouldn't be up in arms about this Epstein List stuff if politicians regularly were prosecuted for illegal sexual activity that we all know happens.

No idea what the fuck you are talking about, ese.
Where all my li'l bitchez be at?

Posted by: Bob Menendez at July 14, 2025 05:46 PM (gKWVE)

43 They're definitively saying "there is no list" "there was no blackmail" and "there are no videos", despite all of them previously (and all common sense) saying none of that is true.

Exactly, he's bungled this so badly, and it feels less like Trump's confidence and optimism and more scrambling to figure a way to make it go away.

My personal theory is that in order to get his bill passed, he had to make a series of deals and this is one of those deals being carried out.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 05:46 PM (dfIr7)

44 But he's not going to be able to reverse people's decades-old suspicions about Jeffrey Epstein just by posting "These aren't the files you're looking for." It's a bridge too far.

Yeah, I'm not persuaded by the Johnny Come Latelys on the left; they're a bunch of unprincipled opportunists. I don't care what they say.

But Trump isn't going to talk me out of the belief that Epstein was a servant of the Deep State and that this is a cover up. Because it is.

It was known by anyone reasonable more than a decade ago that Epstein was an IC asset when he got a sweetheart deal on a 50+ page indictment and the prosecutor said he was told to let him go.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 14, 2025 05:46 PM (TdYBy)

45 28 I do not care how many CIA agents are compromised by the truth. I don't care if Epstein was Mossad. That either of these agencies would be involved in Epstein's pedo ring is disgraceful, and any official involved in running that pile of crap needs to be run out of office on a rail.

I want to know if the John Roberts on the flight list was the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. I want every Pedo who was videoed molesting children named and tried in a court room outside of DC - which the DOJ absolutely can do.
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at July 14, 2025 05:42 PM (Da7Vv)

And I think those are all fair things for people in a representative republic to ask about, and to expect answers about.

Who in the US or abroad allowed this to happen and/or ordered it, and who were the people being compromised.

We don't need the child porn videos. We don't even need the whole backstory. We need to answers to two questions which our own CIA can very likely answer if they so desired.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 05:46 PM (uCjyK)

46 A whole bunch of senior people got way out over their skis on releasing the epstein stuff and are now having to walk it all back.

At this point everyone knows that there is something there and the government we voted for is hiding it from us.

I doubt this will end well.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 14, 2025 05:46 PM (e5NfL)

47 The Autopen debacle is a clear and present danger to our precious democracy and the authority of the US Constitution. You don't hear the Left mentioning that, do you> Clemencies signed and delivered at the whim of POTUS staff? What else was signed and delivered via staff use of the Autopen?

Posted by: mrp at July 14, 2025 05:47 PM (rj6Yv)

48 Trump posted on Truth Social, making the claim -- which cannot be supported -- that the whole Epstein scandal was created by the Clintons and Deep State operatives as some kind of op against him.

Straight up. Epstein didn't screw all these girls himself. Bill Clinton didn't either.

Trump needs to shut the Hell up. But he can't. Because he can't. He's a big mouth Yankee fool.

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 05:47 PM (kOKqg)

49 1) even if 100% is released, it'll never be enough to convict anyone.
a) see the Diddy prosecution; Kevin Spacey; the endless list of political and powerful sex scandals.
b) limitations defenses, in addition to spoliation; there's some huge custody and authenticity issues that can't be over-come. e.g., some of it would require Epstein to authenticate it.

2) of everyone demanding more--including those on the right--I still trust Trump more to do what's best.

3) This is the trolley car dilemma, and we have the luxury of arguing academically--Trump is at the switch and is having to make the choice.

4) pushing this almost certainly won't get justice for a single victim. But it is benefiting the left.

5) I'm amused at the fellow earlier protesting he wouldn't be able to look himself in the mirror if he let even a micrometer of this go. Fun god you got there, judging you on the sins of others, not your own.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 05:47 PM (JThEY)

50
Only Epstein I know-Juan-died in 2012, as did Horshack.
Posted by: TV Guide

Is that what that letter from his mother said?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 14, 2025 05:47 PM (63Dwl)

51 If we're not going to die on this hill, a hill filled with raped children, precisely which hills are we to die on?

Posted by: Any Sense of Humanity at July 14, 2025 05:47 PM (0DnHq)

52 "Just my opinion, but I think enacting the MAGA agenda is a lot more important than the Epstein list."
.......................

Yes. But that requires political capital. And he's burning that capital with his base by handling this the way he is.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at July 14, 2025 05:47 PM (eYAt4)

53 Horseshack means the cows are dying.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 14, 2025 05:48 PM (NaR/G)

54 Democrats had Epstein files for 8 (?) years! what did people expect would remain there ?! don't tell me , a big old list exposing major Democrat figures. right there, in black and white, and evinced of major Democrat figures partaking in whatever services Epstein's enterprise was offering. All right there!

Posted by: runner at July 14, 2025 05:49 PM (g47mK)

55 If we're not going to die on this hill, a hill filled with raped children, precisely which hills are we to die on?

Posted by: Any Sense of Humanity at July 14, 2025 05:47 PM (0DnHq)

Oh, well that's easy. Lower taxes, the general "We're winning because TRUMP".

You know - the same shit people here complain about when its Obama.

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 05:49 PM (kOKqg)

56 This does look like it was horribly bungled. However, everything in Trump version 2.0 has been well planned and thought out - Tariffs , deportations, Iran, etc. I’m not saying this is 3D chess, but I’m gonna wait a couple of days.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 14, 2025 05:49 PM (u73oe)

57 Yes. But that requires political capital. And he's burning that capital with his base by handling this the way he is.
Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at July 14, 2025 05:47 PM (eYAt4)

Are you tired of winning?

Posted by: mrp at July 14, 2025 05:49 PM (rj6Yv)

58 If there is anything left of the list it would only include Republicans.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 14, 2025 05:50 PM (NaR/G)

59 I don't think Trump is stupid, and I do think he understands the concept of the Streisand Effect whether or not he knows it by that name.

---
That he is, once again, as he has done many times before, stepped into a controversy to make himself the target.

Freeing up his people to do their jobs while the left can't help themselves and attack him.

He's Teflon Don, they're not.

And in a no time at all, the baying hounds of the left will be running after another car.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 05:50 PM (JThEY)

60 Why do I care about the Epstein list ?????

Does it put gas in my car or food on my table ????

Well, Biden is not on the list because there isn't enough Viagra in the US to help him.....

Posted by: Allotta Fagina at July 14, 2025 05:51 PM (BltCC)

61 I thought Throckmorton's post this morning might be the end of this.

I have no more thoughts re: Epstein issue. You guys figure it out.

Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2025 05:51 PM (AOsQT)

62 58 If there is anything left of the list it would only include Republicans.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 14, 2025 05:50 PM (NaR/G)

But even if that's true, wouldn't it be better for us to know which Republicans are being blackmailed by the Deep State through the CIA because they got caught in a honey trap where they raped underaged children on a billionaire Democrat donor's private island?

Or is this a situation where ignorance is bliss?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 05:51 PM (uCjyK)

63 But it's perfectly reasonable to suspect Mossad (and MI-6) were involved as well.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
=====
The Security Services of the UK keep VERY close tabs on the royals including Randy Andy as a primary assignment for protection and to steer them clear of scandals.

Mossad involvement hinges of Ehud Barak seen hiding his face entering Epstein's NYC townhouse and the long relationship that Maxwell had with top Israeli officials and the Security Services. Maxwell became a very good friend of Leonid Brezhnev back in the 60's-70's and served as a key backchannel/purveyor of influence for a wide variety of IC topics. For that reason, Ghislaine grew up in Spy World and undoubtedly had Maxwell's contacts in that world on speed dial after he died.

Posted by: whig at July 14, 2025 05:51 PM (ctrM5)

64 Are you tired of winning?

I am. If "winning" means Donald walks out there and tells everyone "Shut Up About Epstein" - which he did.

That's not winning. Fuck that.

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 05:51 PM (kOKqg)

65 I don’t see how it can be antisemitic to look at the Mossad theory.

A country like Israel is obviously going to act in its own self interest, the idea that a nation could be using blackmail to leverage their position is pretty much text book spy stuff. A

What we know every intelligence service does at one time or another, including the US.

It’s really the only theory that makes sense. The person prosecuting Epstein was told by a government official that he was an intelligence asset.

Posted by: Maroon at July 14, 2025 05:51 PM (g0oCT)

66 There's more than a little evidence that Robert Maxwell was an asset for both MI6 and Mossad. What eventually became his publishing empire started as a front that printed the research of Soviet scientists so Western Intel could figure out who was worth trying to flip. Then he ran those businesses into the ground and "fell off his yacht" before he was given the honor of being buried at the Mount of Olives.

He introduced his daughter to Epstein, which creates a direct line between the intel world and Epstein. Not to mention the fact that there is no freaking way an operation like this that was conducted pretty much in the open for literally decades wouldn't have been able to continue unless the Powers That Be wanted it to.

Posted by: the dandy at July 14, 2025 05:51 PM (8l8nW)

67 Epstein's Lolita Island ws similar to The Continental (of John Wick).

Spooks and the rich and powerful could hob-knob and share a barely legal girl or two while making business deals. Epstein got a skim of the transactions. It was an extortion free zone.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 14, 2025 05:51 PM (/lPRQ)

68 Scott Adams @ScottAdamsSays Jul 13
If you see the Epstein story as a crime story, which of course it is, you probably favor maximum disclosure of everyone and everything involved, including innocent people, like a typical court case.

If you see the Epstein story as something bigger, involving more than one nation, you might see it as a Commander in Chief issue, meaning the public is not meant to have the full story, similar to most national defense issues. We elect a president to decide -- in part -- what the public can safely see.

Would you favor full disclosure if you knew it would derail a peace negotiation?

Would you favor full disclosure if you knew it would end Republican control of Congress and plunge the country back into a Democrat open-border hellscape?

If you can't say what you would give up to get the full Epstein disclosure you crave, you're not a serious person.

Ethen C. @ethencky Jul 13 We don't elect "leaders". We elect representatives and lawmakers.
This is America, not Britain.
Trusting your government is so Boomer it hurts.

Scott Adams @ScottAdamsSays Jul 13
It's literally the foundation of The Republic.

We elect people to make decisions for us.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 14, 2025 05:52 PM (2yoRf)

69 Scott Adams @ScottAdamsSays Jul 13
If the only way to punish the Epstein “clients” involved you murdering your own children to make it happen, would you do it?
10% Yes, on principle
90% No, you nutbag
31,286 votes • Final results

Vox Dai @VoxDaiX 23h
Adams is still carrying water for the elites. Full Epstein disclosure is non-negotiable. Peace deals & partisan control are distractions—truth is the only currency that matters. Republicans? Worthless on immigration. Trust the clowns at your peril. voxday.net/2025/07/13/trus...

Scott Adams @ScottAdamsSays 23h
I recommend blocking anyone who accuses you of “carrying water for the elites.” Get rid of the dummies.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 14, 2025 05:52 PM (2yoRf)

70 Freeing up his people to do their jobs while the left can't help themselves and attack him.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 05:50 PM (JThEY)

I hope you're right.

Posted by: gKWVE at July 14, 2025 05:52 PM (gKWVE)

71 The real problem is not Epstein specifically. It's the ongoing question of, who is really in charge, the President or our so-called intel agencies? and this is hardly an issue limited to the US.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 14, 2025 05:52 PM (ULPxl)

72 Just the News @JustTheNews 23h
Musk to Trump: Release the Epstein files 'as promised' justthenews.com/node/156638?…

Scott Adams @ScottAdamsSays 8h
Why would we believe the government has videos of perps (aside from Epstein) doing crimes?

Matt Walsh @MattWalshBlog Jul 13
Up until 10 seconds ago there was unanimous agreement that Epstein was a pedophile and child sex trafficker with high profile clientele who all must be exposed and brought to justice. Now, out of the blue, we're being told that none of that is true and anyone who believes this thing that everyone believed is a whack job and a conspiracy theorist. This is the kind of shameless 180 degree unexplained pivot that leftists typically specialize in. Very weird to see it happening on the Right.

Elon Musk @elonmusk Jul 13 Replying to @MattWalshBlog
Easy to tell who is a paid influencer

Scott Adams @ScottAdamsSays 5h
Am I on that list?

Posted by: andycanuck at July 14, 2025 05:52 PM (2yoRf)

73 1.

I don't think it was blackmail for the simple reason that if Epstein was seen as a malign actor, people would have warned others to stay away. I think it was an influence operation to make "friends" and then they will do favors for you because "we are all in the same club."

Outright blackmail has always seemed to be too much of a stretch to me.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 14, 2025 05:52 PM (rrOZL)

74 So in a legalistic way, I can imagine that Bondi is halfway truthful in saying there is "no evidence of blackmail." No chargeable evidence, that is. Nothing she can bring to a court.
~ Ace

On the other hand, he’s dead. And we’re not after Epstein, really (and never were). It was always, “who are the pederasts?”

It’s fine, I’m used to not really getting what I want from our political leaders. 42 years of GOPe have prepped me for this. On the other hand, Trump’s delivered infinitely more than any other (R). At this point, Trump will Trump, and that’s the way things are.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 14, 2025 05:53 PM (TJLr1)

75 In a choice between almost anybody and Theodore "Apollo 11 Was Fake" Beale, I choose almost anybody.

Posted by: gKWVE at July 14, 2025 05:53 PM (gKWVE)

76 Ghilsaine Maxwell has offered to give sworn testimony. Republicans in Congress are blocking that. Presumably Trump has told them to obey
What is being hidden? Where are all the video tapes that Epstein made for Decades?
Epstein and Trump were good friends
Does Ace think the girls on the we lites should be opened?

Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at July 14, 2025 05:54 PM (R0B/a)

77 Bondi has been an embarrassment. She is tone deaf, not terribly bright, and does not have the resolution to tear into the scum that infest the DoJ. Her tenure will be listed as a failure as bitter as that of Jeff Sessions and Bill Barr.

That being said, they simply could have dealt with us like adults on this matter. People know what Grand Jury materiel is, and they know what classified information is. Had they leveled with us from the beginning, instead of "I've got it here on my desk right now!" type of lies, none of this would be happening. Once they bald-faced lied to us, there's no way to get people to believe that, all of a sudden, you're telling the truth again.

Posted by: Brewingfrog at July 14, 2025 05:54 PM (ys+zb)

78 "Megyn Kelly floated the speculation that Biden's people (Obama's people, in other words) rewrote and edited the Epstein files so that they "drew a straight arrow towards Trump,"

I am willing to believe this. For one, Kelly is generally reliable. Two, it is exactly the sort diabolicalness to be expected from "Biden's people."

Posted by: Ordinary American at July 14, 2025 05:54 PM (WHfpM)

79 I have no more thoughts re: Epstein issue. You guys figure it out.

Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2025 05:51 PM (AOsQT)

So there is an island - that was burnt to the ground less than a week after it was seized. There was a pimp - supposedly. He hung himself on a bunk bed lower than he was.

And a woman. She's still in jail. She recruited the kids that were pimped out. Except we have ZERO names of who screwed them.

You have no more thoughts ?

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 05:54 PM (kOKqg)

80 >>I don't really think Bondi is covering up for anyone specifically; more like she's an incompetent glory hound who was way overpromoted.

Maybe, but I think there is a 0.0% chance she made this decision on her own. Trump's response during his cabinet meeting the other day made it pretty clear he is 100% onboard with this decision.

Bondi has been prosecuting pedophiles, both US citizens and illegals, since she got into office. And Trump is not exactly a shrinking violet. If they had the evidence to bring charges against anyone over this I think they would.

I think it's something else.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2025 05:54 PM (viF8m)

81 I do not understand why Bondi said what she said about the list.

However, I don't care a fig about any "list".

At this point I wouldn't trust the words "and" or "the" on any document that has been in the hands of the Deep State for over 6 years.

If someone found the actual blackmail material, and the meta-data said the evidence was not AI or altered, then I would care about the scuzball in that video doinking a 15 y.o. girl.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 14, 2025 05:55 PM (HlyYF)

82 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em0V6fqdwa4
This one is an interview with Shaun Attwood which gets into it a bit - have not watched all of this one yet, but he does give some actual details.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at July 14, 2025 05:55 PM (vd6bO)

83 71 The real problem is not Epstein specifically. It's the ongoing question of, who is really in charge, the President or our so-called intel agencies? and this is hardly an issue limited to the US.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 14, 2025 05:52 PM (ULPxl)

Agreed, that is the reason they are pressuring Trump and company to not release the information. Or are keeping it from him.

If Trump wants to show he's taking on the Deep State as promised, this would seem to be the lowest hanging fruit.

No one is going to openly defend child prostitution.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 05:55 PM (uCjyK)

84 >>> 73 1.

I don't think it was blackmail for the simple reason that if Epstein was seen as a malign actor, people would have warned others to stay away. I think it was an influence operation to make "friends" and then they will do favors for you because "we are all in the same club."

Outright blackmail has always seemed to be too much of a stretch to me.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 14, 2025 05:52 PM (rrOZL)

Well, outright blackmail could certainly be a fallback of sorts. But that's a hell of an um, initiation into the "club", wouldn't you say?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 14, 2025 05:55 PM (ULPxl)

85 2.

About a week ago Trump was asked about something China did - I don't remember what it was, but he dismissed it and he said "You think we don't do the same to them?"

But whatever it was (drones over military bases, I think but similar) it was something that we clearly do NOT do to them. It was incongruous.

I think it was a "tell." His mind was on other things and he was saying "sometimes we don't go after foreign countries too hard for what they do because we do not want them to reveal what we do."

I think it was about Epstein.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 14, 2025 05:55 PM (rrOZL)

86 Then why wouldn't you say that? "Our evidence indicates these files were tampered with somewhere along the line, and the FBI is working diligently to discover who tampered with them, whether inside the government or not"
--
You mean the same bastards on the left that would lie to your face and tell you the sun is not shining as you're applying another layer of sunscreen while roasting on the beach?

Those are assholes are who we'd have to rely upon to agree "that person we fucking hate and have been after for years" isn't really on the list?

I'll decline that noble gamble.

No matter how carefully confirmed, every bit of false information that was planted will be cited as gospel fact and further, any attempt to discredit it as proof of the conspiracy's Truth.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 05:56 PM (JThEY)

87 I am not sure what the truth is.

Re: Carlson

Has everyone just gone fucking nuts? Is that the problem?

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 14, 2025 05:56 PM (zZu0s)

88 And speaking of Cops wire blackmail victims to get the blackmailer to make the linkage between demand and threat explicitly on audiotape, and blackmailers continue refusing to make the blackmail threat explicit.

Scott Adams and Elon Musk are dancing the same dance. Musk is insinuating Adams is a shill - "but no I'm just using a generality which happens to be in an Adams conversation" - to which, Adams is forcing Musk to say something legally actionable.
Which Musk shouldn't, assuming he is not presently high on dope and ketamine.

Posted by: gKWVE at July 14, 2025 05:56 PM (gKWVE)

89 You know - the same shit people here complain about when its Obama.

We complained when Obama lowered taxes? LOL. Give back your pay.

Look as far as I am concerned if Trump is in videos abusing some 15 year old eastern European girl in the Epstein temple, I want him head first into a woodchipper. I don't care who this takes down. I DO NOT CARE.

But the idea that Trump is in there is ludicrous and without a shred of plausibility or evidence. He's definitely mentioned in the files, he borrowed Epstein's plane a few times. But they already went through this wth Trump and while many people involved mentioned Trump it was never once in the context of "hell yeah he was at the ranch with a pile of girls! IT was always "he borrowed this plane to get to NYC" kind of thing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 05:56 PM (dfIr7)

90 I have no idea what's going on with all this.

Posted by: eleven at July 14, 2025 05:57 PM (fV+MH)

91 I do not understand why Bondi said what she said about the list.

Now go look at the Blondi statements that they can't name names because "Its Child Porn".

She might be actually shooting straight.

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 05:57 PM (kOKqg)

92
Tee hee.
I'm not in jail.

Posted by: Tony Fauci at July 14, 2025 05:57 PM (XQo4F)

93 Epstein and Trump were good friends
Does Ace think the girls on the we lites should be opened?
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at July 14, 2025 05:54 PM (R0B/a)

That's crap. Trump threw him off Mar A Lago and banned him from his properties. They were not "good friends."

Posted by: Brewingfrog at July 14, 2025 05:57 PM (ys+zb)

94 We elect a president to decide -- in part -- what the public can safely see.

No. This is why Daniel Patrick Moynihan was right about abolishing the CIA. This persistent notion that the public in a democratic republic can't handle the truth (about a IC-run honeypot op being run on IS citizens among others, of all things) is preposterous. I'm tired of all this "You can't handle the truth!" posturing. Our IC primarily runs ops on us. It's an absurd state of affairs. We can't be said to be governing ourselves at all under such a state of affairs.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 14, 2025 05:57 PM (TdYBy)

95 I don’t see how it can be antisemitic to look at the Mossad theory.

==

If it serves to exclude other very reasonable theories? More reasonable (think resources it takes to keep this enterprise going - island, planes, etc.) than MOSSAD. The money came from the US, and spy-craft from MI6 theory is more potent. All other friendly agencies are outliers in this.

Posted by: runner at July 14, 2025 05:58 PM (g47mK)

96 Doesn't matter that inflation is low.
Doesn't matter that there is a budget surplus due to tariffs.
Doesn't matter that illegals are self deporting and are being deported
No, we are supposed to believe we vote for Trump for transparency on Epstein. I really could care less.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 14, 2025 05:58 PM (AcTAo)

97 "Are you tired of winning?"
.............

No. But I wouldn't consider this issue to be winning. It's a mess that needs to be cleared up or go away. He's trying to make it go away. Others want it cleared up.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at July 14, 2025 05:58 PM (eYAt4)

98 President Donald Trump faces a fast-metastasizing MAGA rebellion amid fallout over his administration's handling of the files from the criminal investigation into Jeffrey Epstein.

This will be all over in a week and we'll all be declaring the end of the world or the end of MAGA over something else that is trivial and non-essential to our well being.

The wealthy and the politically connected have been getting away with crimes since expulsion from The Garden. Even Cain was left relatively unpunished for murdering Abel.

There is no new revelation.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2025 05:58 PM (kHd4y)

99 Decades?
Epstein and Trump were good friends
Does Ace think the girls on the we lites should be opened?

Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at July 14, 2025 05:54 PM

Wrong. epstein and Trump were not "good friends". They traveled in the same uber rich circles until Trump kicked epstein out of his club 30+ years ago for hitting on underage girls.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 14, 2025 05:59 PM (e5NfL)

100 We elect a president to decide -- in part -- what the public can safely see.

Bullshit. Whomever said this ? Bullshit.

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 05:59 PM (kOKqg)

101
By not releasing everything about Epstein, Trump has shown conclusively that he diddled underage girls!!!1!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2025 05:59 PM (HZi96)

102 Posted by: Tony Fauci at July 14, 2025 05:57 PM (XQo4F)

You very likely will be in the life to come.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2025 06:00 PM (2GCMq)

103 >>> 75 In a choice between almost anybody and Theodore "Apollo 11 Was Fake" Beale, I choose almost anybody.
Posted by: gKWVE at July 14, 2025 05:53 PM (gKWVE)

Heh.

If I were to go with any odd theory about deception regarding the Apollo missions, it would be that we "cheated" by using technology reverse-engineered from AWIENS!

Could make a good sci-fi book.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 14, 2025 06:00 PM (ULPxl)

104 The "list" I want to see released is all of the members of Congress that used my tax dollars to pay hush money to cover up their alleged sexual assaults.

I want every Democrat exposed ... and every Republican.

If you want to negotiate a NDA, then do it with your own damn money. If you used MY money, then I am also a party to the NDA and I get disclosure of what was actually in the settlement/agreement.

I mostly want actual justice. Catching a number of GOPe would just be some additional frosting on the cake!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 14, 2025 06:01 PM (HlyYF)

105 Another thing that is not being discussed much (as far as I have heard) is that if various intel agencies were involved in this Epstein business, how many other similar operations are going on now?

Posted by: Don in SoCo at July 14, 2025 06:01 PM (vd6bO)

106 No. This is why Daniel Patrick Moynihan was right about abolishing the CIA. This persistent notion that the public in a democratic republic can't handle the truth (about a IC-run honeypot op being run on IS citizens among others, of all things) is preposterous. I'm tired of all this "You can't handle the truth!" posturing. Our IC primarily runs ops on us. It's an absurd state of affairs. We can't be said to be governing ourselves at all under such a state of affairs.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 14, 2025 05:57 PM (TdYBy)

Completely agreed, and it's mind numbing to me that anyone is trying to argue the other side of this issue. Especially in a post Russiagate / post COVID world.

I'm expected to sit back and "trust the experts" on everything the government does? How is that in any way a self governing system of government if I can't even know the underlying facts, let alone form my own opinions on them?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 06:01 PM (uCjyK)

107 "No one is going to openly defend child prostitution."

The Dems are defending child labor by illegals. I wouldn't be so sure they won't defend child prostitution

Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 14, 2025 06:01 PM (AcTAo)

108 But the idea that Trump is in there is ludicrous and without a shred of plausibility or evidence.

Then release the video. Release the names. Not that hard, man. Not that complicated.

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:01 PM (kOKqg)

109 MOSSAD does not have such a heavy footprint.

Posted by: runner at July 14, 2025 06:01 PM (g47mK)

110 They traveled in the same uber rich circles until Trump kicked epstein out of his club 30+ years ago for hitting on underage girls.

And tipped the FBI off to his proclivities.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 06:02 PM (dfIr7)

111 If there was no client list then Maxwell needs to be released from prison.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 14, 2025 06:02 PM (ImXfC)

112
Of course, if Trump had diddled underage girls, he'd been rotting in ADX Florence right now. Think Garland wouldn't have splashed it everywhere?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2025 06:02 PM (HZi96)

113 The pedos that are on " the list" didn't give up their perversion because Epstein is gone. Find the traffickers and work up from there.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2025 06:02 PM (HFcKg)

114 What if Epstein wasn't anything but what he appeared? In return for supplying underage girls to rich and powerful people, he received large sums of cash and inside information?

And, just suppose "the list" contains names, many of which cannot be verified, which if exposed, would ruin people who were not in any way involved?

It's not like it isn't possible to create the illusion impropriety in order to sway people to go along with whatever agenda.

Is there anyone here who really believes Hillary is above creating a "client list" knowing full well whoever she targets with her insinuations is going to feel threatened? Hillary has plenty of people in the media who would breathlessly report anything she sent over to them. That makes the list, fake or not, a credible threat.

Is there anyone included who is dirty? Most likely. But, there's also a fair chance some of the list was created out of whole cloth.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 06:02 PM (tT6L1)

115 I did not vote for the list.

I voted first for deportations of illegals stealing money in healthcare, education, fraud, and our taxes supporting all of this plus prison. Also the rapes, murders, and! child trafficking.

I voted against Kamkook and Dims.

I voted for what he has done so far: cut fraud, money laundering via USAID, reducing government waste...including employees sucking from the teat.

I voted for no males in female sports or locker rooms.

I voted for cutting Medicaid to Planned Parenthood, thereby hopefully reducing abortions. I don't want to pay for abortions.

I voted for safety and security against foreign enemies and, yes, bombing Iran's nuke potential.Border protection. Military strength.

I voted for men, Trump/Vance, who have the testosterone to stand down WEF weenies and climate change dikheads in the EU and UK.

I basically voted for the Dims to have their hair on fire since late January.

To sum: I did not vote for this list and it is fine if/when it is revealed later. Especially the Clintons. However, they are all hanging by threads in their advancing old age. Barky is mostly silent. Biden is eating pudding.

It's all good. Take a breath.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at July 14, 2025 06:03 PM (6PCLE)

116 The Dems are defending child labor by illegals.

Pay Attention !!! Certain Republicans here are defending it. Because disclosing it would embarrass "Trump".

Read it.

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:03 PM (kOKqg)

117 FWIW, I seem to recall that Trump kicked Epstein out of one of his country clubs because the latter had behaved inappropriately toward a member's daughter.

Posted by: Paco at July 14, 2025 06:03 PM (mADJX)

118 What if Epstein wasn't anything but what he appeared?

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also a good and reasonable theory

Posted by: runner at July 14, 2025 06:03 PM (g47mK)

119 >>>I don’t see how it can be antisemitic to look at the Mossad theory.
A country like Israel is obviously going to act in its own self interest, the idea that a nation could be using blackmail to leverage their position is pretty much text book spy stuff.

I don't think it's antisemitic to consider the theory. I do think it's antisemitic to blame everything on Israel and claim the Mossad is running the US, as Tucker Carlson does.

The guy fucking has Palestinians on to make the case that Jews hate Christians so we should really just team up to fight the Jews.

Every other month Tucker Carlson's got some hot new conspiracy theory about the Jews.

Posted by: ace at July 14, 2025 06:03 PM (KRtlO)

120 I think Trump is privy to information within the files that would, if released, impinge on his larger goals and the allies he needs in the pursuit of those goals. It would open cans of litigatory worms that would consume the precious time he has left. This was not and is not his scandal. As someone said earlier, let God sort it out.

Posted by: Ordinary American at July 14, 2025 06:03 PM (WHfpM)

121 If Trunp was involved in any way it would have been released long ago. So that a non starter.

But there is someone or most likely many people being protected.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 14, 2025 06:04 PM (ImXfC)

122 IT was always "he borrowed this plane to get to NYC" kind of thing.

I have a retired USAF Col who flew diplomatic jets. His crew would attach themselves to some diplomatic thing and when foreign diplomats wanted a ride to or from the venue to their home country, depending on the whims of senior management he would fly them them.

You can absolutely bet the plane was wired for HUMINT.

Dittos with Epstein's jet. We can debate all day on which of the Five Eyes held title to the plane and kept it fueled, insured, maintained and staffed.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2025 06:04 PM (kHd4y)

123 >>> 105 Another thing that is not being discussed much (as far as I have heard) is that if various intel agencies were involved in this Epstein business, how many other similar operations are going on now?
Posted by: Don in SoCo at July 14, 2025 06:01 PM (vd6bO)

*ding ding ding*

Which could, you know, *possibly* have an effect on whether or not the changes Trump has made so far are permanent, let alone more substantial but also necessary changes that haven't happened yet.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 14, 2025 06:04 PM (ULPxl)

124 >> If it serves to exclude other very reasonable theories? More reasonable (think resources it takes to keep this enterprise going - island, planes, etc.) than MOSSAD. The money came from the US, and spy-craft from MI6 theory is more potent. All other friendly agencies are outliers in this.

There is a direct link between Maxwell and Mossad through her dad. There's a reason folks always bring up the Mossad theory. We accept they can run the multi-year grim beeper episode or sneak explosives into Iranian bedrooms but they can't run the most basic honey potting operation?

Posted by: the dandy at July 14, 2025 06:04 PM (8l8nW)

125 It's all good. Take a breath.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at July 14, 2025 06:03 PM (6PCLE)

Right on.

Posted by: Ordinary American at July 14, 2025 06:04 PM (WHfpM)

126 Well, outright blackmail could certainly be a fallback of sorts. But that's a hell of an um, initiation into the "club", wouldn't you say?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket

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I brought up my brother a few weeks ago.
Thinking about it since, I am convinced he was groomed since H. S. into some kind of perverted sex cult. I have remembered more evidence from long ago and there is too much to ignore.
He was an idiot, but went to law school and got job at DC white shoe law firm.

I honestly believe that there is an eyes wide shut perverted sex culture in DC. So Epstein could have been just a way to keep the IC (whomever's IC) connected to individuals to trade favors without it ever being blackmail.

Trump was never in that "club" and that is part of the reason that they can not control him, but they need to destroy him.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 14, 2025 06:04 PM (rrOZL)

127 I did not vote for the list.

Well I sure as shit did. If there is child trafficking going on ? I don't give a damn about tax rates.

Release the names. Or let Maxwell out. One or the other.

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:04 PM (kOKqg)

128 >>No. This is why Daniel Patrick Moynihan was right about abolishing the CIA

So was Kennedy. So have a lot of people. But even if the CIA was abolished it's ludicrous to think there isn't information that is released to the public. That's why we have document classification.

Trump is involved with international negotiations with some of the most ruthless countries on the planet. And that includes our supposed allies. They all have intel communities that do shit the public never finds out about. I don't trust half the people in this country not to try and undermine Trump and us.

If releasing the Epstein files causes the US to be in a weaker position and nobody is getting indicted let alone jailed I'm not sure why that is a good thing.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2025 06:05 PM (viF8m)

129 109 MOSSAD does not have such a heavy footprint.
Posted by: runner at July 14, 2025 06:01 PM (g47mK)

Why do you have to bring everything back to Israel?

No one cares about what role Mossad played, they're a sometimes friendly sometimes not arm of the CIA, like ISI and every other intelligence agency in that part of the world.

No, they definitely would not be able to run an operation like this on US soil without US intel agencies being involved. And we already basically have that confirmed by Alex Acosta, who I think it's safe to say was taking orders from US intel and not Israeli intel.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 06:05 PM (uCjyK)

130 Every other month Tucker Carlson's got some hot new conspiracy theory about the Jews.
Posted by: ace at July 14, 2025 06:03 PM (KRtlO)

Have they perfected the weather machines yet?

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 14, 2025 06:05 PM (ImXfC)

131 Then release the video. Release the names. Not that hard, man. Not that complicated.

Sure, I want to see that too. I want it all released. If Trump is right and its been defrauded, that complicates things, but it should be dealt with soon as possible, not say "who's that guy, lets move on!"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 06:05 PM (dfIr7)

132
It's all good. Take a breath.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat

Testify!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Imprison! Imprison! Imprison! at July 14, 2025 06:05 PM (XeTAE)

133 People don't kill themselves when they know you don't have anything on them. If people Diddy and Weinstein didn't kill themselves awaiting their trials and there existed enough dirt on them to actually stick something on them, why would Epstein, on whom we are told there isn't any evidence, thought his situation was so hopeless that he wanted to take the easy way out?

I don't really care what the answer is, but I do care that the narrative I'm being told is obviously untrue in at least some way.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 14, 2025 06:06 PM (B9Prs)

134 The self-own on the Epstein files is what bothers me, since its a reminiscent of how mistakes were often made in the first term. But, this time really is different insofar as Trump has so many good things happening and, now, this issue threatens to distract the administration, and at a very important moment; Trump's success in this so-far remarkable second term will ride to a large degree on what he gets done before the mid-terms, and how the GOP does in those elections.

So I hope this whole Epstein hand-wringing can be brought to a close, and soon.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 14, 2025 06:06 PM (KPjEa)

135 91 I do not understand why Bondi said what she said about the list.

Now go look at the Blondi statements that they can't name names because "Its Child Porn".

She might be actually shooting straight.

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 05:57 PM

I wrote imprecisely. I was talking about the first time she talked: I have the Epstein files on my desk ready to release.

I think you are talking about the second time she talked: about reasons not to release the files.

You may be right on a good reason to withhold the content. However, you don't tease that the Super Bowl is coming on next, and then go to the Home Shopping Network after the commercial break.

That is a recipe to lose credibility.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 14, 2025 06:06 PM (HlyYF)

136 It's all good. Take a breath.

And ... bullshit.

The island was burned down, less than a week after the FBI made a big show of taking it.

Why ? Because it's not "all good".

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:06 PM (kOKqg)

137 Why do we get posters with new handles insulting other posters here whenever Epstein is discussed.? Bah.

See some of your folks tomorrow. Have a good afternoon/evening.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2025 06:06 PM (2GCMq)

138 Have they perfected the weather machines yet?

I think Elmo got at the controls lately

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 06:06 PM (dfIr7)

139 I mean, I could see it. Let the dems and the media get way out over their skis and then say fine, I’m appointing a special prosecutor.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 14, 2025 06:07 PM (u73oe)

140 Musk is insinuating Adams is a shill
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Musk didn't mention him at all -- I gave the full Matt Walsh tweet and Musk's reply -- and was about the bunch of MAGA influencers, like Catturd and Gunther Eagleman -- who have changed 180° in just months and not just going back to e.g. 2019 -- that Adams decided to take personally for some strange reason.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 14, 2025 06:07 PM (2yoRf)

141 114 What if Epstein wasn't anything but what he appeared? I

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So what, like a bridge club?

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 14, 2025 06:07 PM (rrOZL)

142 Just spitballing here, but what if Trump & Co. are gaslighting the media to insist on getting to the truth which turns out to be (as expected) that it's all or mostly all lefties that are the johns?

Posted by: AMartel at July 14, 2025 06:08 PM (otvi3)

143
Still and all, Pam Bondi secured her Platinum Membership in Mittens Romney's "Binders Full of [______] Museum" with her "binders full of clients' information" fiasco back in February.

That was a seriously screwed up own goal. She ought to have been shit canned right there and then.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Imprison! Imprison! Imprison! at July 14, 2025 06:09 PM (XeTAE)

144 Release the names. Or let Maxwell out. One or the other.
Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:04 PM (kOKqg)
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Horseshit posts like this one showing up here now are obviously paid agitation from the left, trying to weaken Trump politically with his base.

This is the kind of politics we have now, paid cowardly traitors trying to undermine the country.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 14, 2025 06:09 PM (KPjEa)

145 142 Just spitballing here, but what if Trump & Co. are gaslighting the media to insist on getting to the truth which turns out to be (as expected) that it's all or mostly all lefties that are the johns?
Posted by: AMartel at July 14, 2025 06:08 PM (otvi3)

Agree. I'll wait. I am never one to go hysteric over anything. Ok, snakes. But that's all in my entire life.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at July 14, 2025 06:09 PM (6PCLE)

146 Yes we can totally rely on all the Epstein docs as legitimate and not part of any op. I mean it’s the FBI, you guys.

I honestly don’t give a shit about this at all.

And Laura Loomer along with Tucker have become a bunch of cranks. Especially Loomer who always seems to be stirring the shit pot. Hint, Laura. You’re not the leader of anything. Nobody elected you.

Posted by: Vengeance at July 14, 2025 06:09 PM (FpXzY)

147 Why do we get posters with new handles insulting other posters here whenever Epstein is discussed.? Bah.

Why do you constantly have a bone to pick, a little side comment to defend this or that woman, every time a woman gets called out ?

Yet now, we're talking about a real thing where real children got diddled on an island, and you got nothing. Because "TRUMP".

I won't tell you to shut up. It would be a waste of time.

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:10 PM (kOKqg)

148 Some of you might want to step back and consider, no matter how moral and well-intentioned your position is, and contemplate why you are now on the same side of an issue as one of our most virulent and nasty trolls, who has never missed a lie to repeat.

Or not.

I'm sure this time the left is of pure motives.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 06:10 PM (JThEY)

149 There is a direct link between Maxwell and Mossad through her dad. There's a reason folks always bring up the Mossad theory. We accept they can run the multi-year grim beeper episode or sneak explosives into Iranian bedrooms but they can't run the most basic honey potting operation?
Posted by: the dandy at July 14, 2025 06:04 PM (8l8nW)

Direct link? like...she was a daughter of a UK politician, and a publisher (Universal Exports !) who was rumored to be involved with shady spy organizations ? that is the solid link ? this reeks of MI6 !

Posted by: runner at July 14, 2025 06:10 PM (g47mK)

150 93 Epstein and Trump were good friends
Does Ace think the girls on the we lites should be opened?
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at July 14, 2025 05:54 PM (R0B/a)

That's crap. Trump threw him off Mar A Lago and banned him from his properties. They were not "good friends."
Posted by: Brewingfrog at July 14, 2025 05:57 PM

Good point, but I would take it even farther.

I have seen a bunch of photos that suggest Trump was certainly friendly with Epstein.

THEN he found out Epstein was almost certainly involved in skeevy sh*t. After that point, Trump apparently had nothing further to do with Epstein.

Ceasing contact with an enemy is no trouble, because I didn't have anything to do with them anyway.

Ceasing contact with a "friend" after you find out they are skeevy shows a lot of personal honor, IMO.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at July 14, 2025 06:10 PM (HlyYF)

151 Why do you constantly have a bone to pick, a little side comment to defend this or that woman, every time a woman gets called out ?

Yet now, we're talking about a real thing where real children got diddled on an island, and you got nothing. Because "TRUMP".

I won't tell you to shut up. It would be a waste of time.
Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:10 PM (kOKqg)
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It's her shtick. Just ignore it.

Posted by: Slim Pickens at July 14, 2025 06:11 PM (01DnR)

152 Walk and chew gum.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 14, 2025 06:11 PM (63Dwl)

153 Horseshit posts like this one showing up here now are obviously paid agitation from the left, trying to weaken Trump politically with his base.

I only voted for him Three Times. But if there are no Johns ? Why is she in jail ?

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:11 PM (kOKqg)

154 >>> 126

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I brought up my brother a few weeks ago.
Thinking about it since, I am convinced he was groomed since H. S. into some kind of perverted sex cult. I have remembered more evidence from long ago and there is too much to ignore.
He was an idiot, but went to law school and got job at DC white shoe law firm.

I honestly believe that there is an eyes wide shut perverted sex culture in DC. So Epstein could have been just a way to keep the IC (whomever's IC) connected to individuals to trade favors without it ever being blackmail.

Trump was never in that "club" and that is part of the reason that they can not control him, but they need to destroy him.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 14, 2025 06:04 PM (rrOZL)

What's interesting, and a little disturbing, is that as far as anyone here knows, your brother is just "some dood", iow not related to any big political or business families... yet he's possibly involved with this thing.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 14, 2025 06:12 PM (ULPxl)

155 Anonymous Conservative's pov is that you become a member of the club by engaging in blackmail worthy behavior. Its a sign you can be trusted with power because you can be destroyed with ease. And everyone else in the club is the same.

Imagine Ace being offered a time machine and a loaded M-16. He sets off to kill Hitler, Goebbels, and Mengele. Someone says, but why? Killing three Nazis changes little.

He explains 'justice' and they reply 'still not enough' so he says 'they are very bad people who lead others into wickedness, and greatly increase the power of evil' and killing them 'will encourage others to be less wicked'.

These are very bad people who not only have done evil, but will continue to do so, and will strongly fight in a conspiracy against good, and will strengthen the hand of ordinary wickedoers.

Icing them is antibiotics.

Posted by: Eric2 at July 14, 2025 06:12 PM (HMtpY)

156 MI6 loves them some sex stuff. Always have. Look at the kompromat they cooked up on Trump! peeing hookers.

Posted by: runner at July 14, 2025 06:12 PM (g47mK)

157 Ghislaine Maxwell, the former girlfriend and madame to the late Jeffrey Epstein, is willing to testify before Congress about the Epstein Files, the Daily Mail reported Monday, citing "sources."

Yeah, I'll blab till the cows come home or until I commit 'suicide'.
-Ghislaine Maxwell

Posted by: Eromero at July 14, 2025 06:12 PM (LHPAg)

158 This is not "MAGA frustration" it's a huge Democratic/anti-Trump op, similar to others designed to break up the administration and peel Trump loose from his base.

I don't know any actual, non-bot Trump supporters that had Epstein as their Number One Issue in 2024.

Posted by: MartynWW at July 14, 2025 06:12 PM (vXpHP)

159 contemplate why you are now on the same side of an issue as one of our most virulent and nasty trolls, who has never missed a lie to repeat.

Or not.

I'm sure this time the left is of pure motives.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 06:10 PM (JThEY)

It doesn't matter what the trolls intentions are or which side they decide to take on any issue.

Why should that sway our thinking about something?

"Well, I can't say that our loud or I'm going to be accused of sounding like a troll" is not a great logical argument for why someone should feel a certain way about an issue.

It reminds me of the "we can't talk about the COVID vax side effects, because it'll cause people to not take the vax, so it's a noble lie" nonsense line of reasoning we all hated from the left.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 06:12 PM (uCjyK)

160 Walk and chew gum.

That's not who we are.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 14, 2025 06:13 PM (/y8xj)

161 LOL ok as an aside: the popcorn bucket for the upcoming Naked Gun movie is... a stuffed beaver

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 06:13 PM (dfIr7)

162 I am disinclined to trust anyone on this issue.
If you make promises, keep them. That's how you build trust.

I do suspect there is an icky reason why the full Epstein story isn't being put out there...and I don't just mean flight logs or contact lists, I mean the whole thing about his career, connections and death.

But I'm not about to give the Progs a win by getting worked up. Plus our newest trolls makes me really question how passionate I should be.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 06:13 PM (xcxpd)

163 161 LOL ok as an aside: the popcorn bucket for the upcoming Naked Gun movie is... a stuffed beaver
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 06:13 PM (dfIr7)

nice

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 06:14 PM (xcxpd)

164 Walk and chew gum.
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So no kicking ass??

Posted by: andycanuck at July 14, 2025 06:14 PM (2yoRf)

165 If releasing the Epstein files causes the US to be in a weaker position and nobody is getting indicted let alone jailed I'm not sure why that is a good thing.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2025 06:05 PM (viF8m)

Why anyone would trust our government to prioritize US interests over IC interests given the very long history of IC misdeeds is a mystery to me. "Because Trump" is manifestly an inadequate answer given that he is certainly not master of our IC anymore than prior presidents were, and possibly less so given his outsider status.

Given the country's track record, I'm not going to take Trump's word for it. At any rate, he's not really asking me to either. He has not made the case, or even asserted there are national security issues that override defanging the IC here. He's just asserted there's nothing to see here, which as near as I can tell no one really believes.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 14, 2025 06:14 PM (TdYBy)

166 Mmm. Icing.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 14, 2025 06:15 PM (2yoRf)

167 Elon had the Twitter files. He gave Matt Tabai and some other chick total acces to the twitter data bases and emails and let them look and report.

Do the same thing with this. For the sake of arguement, give Matt Tabai a security clearance up to TS-SCI and let him look at the files. He can report on what he learns.

He obviously doesn't post the actual child porn, but reports on it and who is or isn't found on it and what the current files show.

Posted by: EFG at July 14, 2025 06:15 PM (6Y7N9)

168 >>I only voted for him Three Times. But if there are no Johns ? Why is she in jail ?

Because she was convicted of trafficking kids to EPSTEIN. That's it. That's all. There was nobody else part of that trial.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2025 06:15 PM (viF8m)

169 161 LOL ok as an aside: the popcorn bucket for the upcoming Naked Gun movie is... a stuffed beaver
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 06:13 PM (dfIr7)

But is it the biggest one you’ve ever seen?

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 14, 2025 06:16 PM (TJLr1)

170 >>> 162 I am disinclined to trust anyone on this issue.
If you make promises, keep them. That's how you build trust.

I do suspect there is an icky reason why the full Epstein story isn't being put out there...and I don't just mean flight logs or contact lists, I mean the whole thing about his career, connections and death.

But I'm not about to give the Progs a win by getting worked up. Plus our newest trolls makes me really question how passionate I should be.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 06:13 PM (xcxpd)

This too.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 14, 2025 06:16 PM (ULPxl)

171 Whatever priority Epstein has it's only Number One for his mother.

Posted by: DaveA at July 14, 2025 06:16 PM (FhXTo)

172 Epstein! Epstein! Epstein!

Posted by: Jan Brady at July 14, 2025 06:16 PM (wVcYX)

173
Well! Because of Trump's failure to act, I am now a full-fledged supporter of the Democratic Party!

Good! Bye!

*slams door*

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2025 06:17 PM (HZi96)

174 I am of the opinion that anyone that really really believed that Federal law enforcement and/or the intel agencies would actually be able to throw open the books on the Epstein affair and expose everyone and everything (or even anything remotely approaching that level) about it are seriously naive.

I'm the LAST person that wants to appear to be defending the FBI, CIA, or any other three-letter out there but please folks give me a damn break. There are undoubtedly *actual* Sources and Methods included, as well as god only knows what kind of written accounts, photos, etc. of the disgusting shit that went down on Little St. James and elsewhere. None of that is going to be released, ever.

We're still sitting on the JFK and MLK stuff decades later. Please don't seriously think the Epstein stuff is going to just be broadcast on the internet for all of us to see. It's just not going to happen, and trying to hold Trump's feet to the fire over it is dumb as shit. We have way better stuff to worry about than a dead pervert.

Posted by: ballistic at July 14, 2025 06:17 PM (01DnR)

175 Liam Neeson has a certain set of skills. Comedy is not one of them.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 14, 2025 06:17 PM (PiwSw)

176 this whole thing is 90% sensationalism, with very little factual information

Posted by: runner at July 14, 2025 06:17 PM (g47mK)

177 Because she was convicted of trafficking kids to EPSTEIN. That's it. That's all. There was nobody else part of that trial.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2025 06:15 PM (viF8m)

Here we go again Jack. Did he fuck them all ? There's a bunch of them.

I doubt he did. But you do this thing. You defend the first part, then you'll go and start blabbing that "well of course it was CIA" when you feel like you can go to the second part.

And then, when that's all shown to be bullshit, you'll just pretend you said nothing.

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:18 PM (kOKqg)

178 Hadrian the Seventh at July 14, 2025 06:17 PM (HZi96)

****

Heh. Reminds me of the conserned Christian conservatives of yore.

Good day, Sir!

Posted by: EFG at July 14, 2025 06:18 PM (6Y7N9)

179 Why do you constantly have a bone to pick, a little side comment to defend this or that woman, every time a woman gets called out ?

We do dump on women pretty hard here, just like if a board was 90% women they would bash on men really hard too. And to be honest, we usually are just saying "some women are awful" not "alla you women are awful!!!"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 06:18 PM (dfIr7)

180 >>> 165
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Why anyone would trust our government to prioritize US interests over IC interests given the very long history of IC misdeeds is a mystery to me. "Because Trump" is manifestly an inadequate answer given that he is certainly not master of our IC anymore than prior presidents were, and possibly less so given his outsider status.

Given the country's track record, I'm not going to take Trump's word for it. At any rate, he's not really asking me to either. He has not made the case, or even asserted there are national security issues that override defanging the IC here. He's just asserted there's nothing to see here, which as near as I can tell no one really believes.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 14, 2025 06:14 PM (TdYBy)

Yes and yes. He's done a lot that I am quite happy with only five months in. Some challenges are bigger than others...

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 14, 2025 06:18 PM (ULPxl)

181 127 I did not vote for the list.

Well I sure as shit did. If there is child trafficking going on ? I don't give a damn about tax rates.

Release the names. Or let Maxwell out. One or the other.
Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:04 PM (kOKqg)

Sir/Madam/Trans...I certainly did vote to stop child trafficking. Which I think is mostly, now, drug cartels and mules at the Southern border with illegals. Pedos are being caught from their child porn watching that are not illegals. It is happening in the news daily.

Do not presume how I feel about child trafficking and child abuse. I have seen abuse first hand in an emergency department.

What went on with Epstein was pure evil, but FIRST I want my country, my children and my grandchildren protected from illegals here right now. Deportation is key. I also want strong military and men with the guts to stand up to Iran.

I did read the Qchan stuff over the years. I am not an idiot. I despise the Clintons and would love to see them perp walked for this.

However there are much more important things President Trump is doing right now, and has done, and will do. I am pragmatic, not an hysteric or one reason voter.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at July 14, 2025 06:18 PM (6PCLE)

182 Marxist kilt Epstein because Trump is more dangerous to the Dems.

Remember what trick, tricky Trump had done on the bombers and Iran.

Posted by: Dreamingrobot at July 14, 2025 06:20 PM (PxJue)

183 Well I sure as shit did. If there is child trafficking going on ? I don't give a damn about tax rates.

Then you should be thrilled to death that this administration is dealing with more than quarter million sex trafficked illegal aliens children brought into this country by Mayorkas and Company from 2020 until 2025.

Unlike Epstein, they just flat out kill the children once the girls get pregnant or too worn out.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2025 06:20 PM (kHd4y)

184 Klamath River Accord calls for the halt of new dams, supports removal efforts
https://t.co/LEzKU2nYjW
Rios to Rivers, a nonprofit organization, said in a press release that the call to action is for dam removals and a halt to new construction of dams across the globe.
IThe Accord commits its signatories to protect free-flowing rivers, oppose the construction of new dams, support dam removal as a climate solution, support river restoration, and uphold Indigenous rights
“With this Accord, we reject the contamination generated by hydroelectric dams like those that had been on the Klamath River that could also occur on our Bolivian Amazon rivers and tributaries,” said Radamir Sevillanos, of a rural Quechua Community in Bolivia. “This Symposium shows us that hydroelectric dams do not generate clean energy, as governments and international organizations say they do.”

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at July 14, 2025 06:20 PM (9aVck)

185
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at July 14, 2025 05:54 PM (R0B/a)

Anyone who argues with this pedo (chemjeff, probably) should be banned.

Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 06:20 PM (I5cyP)

186
Jack Tapper, former eunuch, has his balls back, baby!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Imprison! Imprison! Imprison! at July 14, 2025 06:21 PM (XeTAE)

187
btw, if Bongino is, indeed, a whiny bitch, then he should be fired.

If he can't keep his clickbait big fucking mouth shut, he needs to go.

Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 06:21 PM (I5cyP)

188 However there are much more important things President Trump is doing right now, and has done, and will do. I am pragmatic, not an hysteric or one reason voter.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at July 14, 2025 06:18 PM (6PCLE)

Well ... when it comes to "hide the international kiddy trade syndicate that's so important we have to hide it" ?

Call me a One Issue Voter. Fuck Trump if that's not on his agenda.

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:21 PM (kOKqg)

189 Yes and yes. He's done a lot that I am quite happy with only five months in. Some challenges are bigger than others...
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 14, 2025 06:18 PM (ULPxl)

I don't see the options as binary. The decision here isn't to support Trump on everything or on nothing.

We're far better off with Trump than without. But this stinks, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. I'm not going to do the Team Red thing.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 14, 2025 06:21 PM (TdYBy)

190 Well, I guess some of you are much more okay with being lied to your faces about intel assets who pimp out underaged girls to our elected officials to be used as blackmail material on behest of our CIA and deep state than others are.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 06:21 PM (uCjyK)

191 Catturd ™ @catturd2 Jul 13
Goodnight everyone - my advice is to mute or block all negative black pill accounts. It’s amazing how successful the first six months of the Trump administration has been.

Don’t let these sourpuss chronic complainers highjack your happiness.

Be positive. We’re winning.

Have a great Saturday night.
Jul 13, 2025 · 1:45 PM UTC

Taco Troubadour @troubadour210 Jul 13
2nd prize for worst response to this Epstein situation goes to…

Read the comments. Catturd is cooked. What a buffoon.

ADAM @AdameMedia Jul 13
The depth of his hypocrisy is stunning.

https://tinyurl.com/c9njdrrm
screencaps

Posted by: andycanuck at July 14, 2025 06:22 PM (2yoRf)

192 Epstein was an "Intelligence" tool until he became a liability. Of course they were not going to let any real evidence to fall into the wrong hands. They assassinated a sitting president and covered it up for Pete's sake. This isn't their first rodeo folks.

Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at July 14, 2025 06:22 PM (V362x)

193 No one is going to openly defend child prostitution

Oh you sweet, sweet summer child

Posted by: Common Tater at July 14, 2025 06:22 PM (GE2M1)

194 Ok, so nukes for everyone then?

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 14, 2025 06:22 PM (Yamow)

195 It doesn't matter what the trolls intentions are or which side they decide to take on any issue.

Why should that sway our thinking about something?
---
Because there is no better indicator that you are being manipulated.
That maybe what you think you know about the issue isn't the truth at all.

Keep in mind:
100% of everything you "know" about the issue, has been filtered through those with an agenda.
You may chose to believe none, some or all of it.
But, none of it is your own personal knowledge.

But you should also be willing to admit you're being manipulated, especially when those with a keen interest in manipulating you to benefit the left chime in.

A lot of what we "know" about Epstein is speculation.
Discussing whether speculation should be accepted as fact doesn't mean, "OMG, you want pedos to go free!"

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 06:22 PM (JThEY)

196 The question I have is how did Epstein become a billionaire? Seriously, what skills did he demonstrate that caused huge amounts of money to flow into his bank accounts. Who paid him? And for what?

If it wasn't for running underage girls, what did transfer all that money to him.

Remember the lesson of Enron - if you can't figure out how somebody made their money - there is a crime involved.

Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at July 14, 2025 06:22 PM (Da7Vv)

197 >>Here we go again Jack. Did he fuck them all ? There's a bunch of them.

There were 5 counts Scogg. Go look at the court records and stop insisting your hot take, the same one that has been repeated here about 100 times in the last few days, is somehow a gotcha.

Yes, there were more victims. And some of them apparently don't want to uproot their new lives to bring this thing back into the public eye. They spent years rebuilding their lives and just want to get on with it. But very few victims came forward. If something like that happened to you 20 years ago and now you had your own family and job and life would you absolutely want to go through all that in public again? Not everyone does. It happens every single day.

So stop asking the same question over and over when the answer is in the court records.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2025 06:22 PM (viF8m)

198
However there are much more important things President Trump is doing right now, and has done, and will do. I am pragmatic, not an hysteric or one reason voter.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at July 14, 2025 06:18 PM (6PCLE)
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Well said.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 06:22 PM (tT6L1)

199
Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:21 PM (kOKqg)

And I'm sick of Fags like you with you new names all the time.

Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 06:23 PM (I5cyP)

200 175 Liam Neeson has a certain set of skills. Comedy is not one of them.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 14, 2025 06:17 PM (PiwSw)

I'm prepared to wait and see. Maybe he can pull it off. It has that dissonance that Leslie Nielsen had when he first did Airplane.

What he CAN'T do anymore is action. The man is old and tired.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 06:23 PM (xcxpd)

201 No one is going to openly defend child prostitution

Oh you sweet, sweet summer child
Posted by: Common Tater at July 14, 2025 06:22 PM (GE2M1)

*barney frank has entered the chat*

Probably also a large number of the tranny and gay activists.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 14, 2025 06:23 PM (Yamow)

202 Call me a One Issue Voter. Fuck Trump if that's not on his agenda.

==

you don't vote anyway

Posted by: runner at July 14, 2025 06:23 PM (g47mK)

203 > Mmm. Icing.

Posted by: andycanuck
---

when there's cake, I always ask for a corner piece

Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2025 06:23 PM (AOsQT)

204 201 No one is going to openly defend child prostitution

Oh you sweet, sweet summer child
Posted by: Common Tater at July 14, 2025 06:22 PM (GE2M1)

*barney frank has entered the chat*

Probably also a large number of the tranny and gay activists.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 14, 2025 06:23 PM (Yamow)

Denny Hastert also comes to mind.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 14, 2025 06:24 PM (TdYBy)

205 FBI has announced a formal investigation into long term government miss conduct.
The scuttle butt is Matt Gaetz to be appointed Special Prosecutor
From John Solomon at justthenews
https://tinyurl.com/zcar2ua9

Posted by: Captain Fantastic at July 14, 2025 06:24 PM (uEWUd)

206 There were 5 counts Scogg.

You do this fucking constantly. Seriously. Do you really think he only recruited five girls and only screwed five girls himself ?

Jack - even you are not that fucking high.

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:24 PM (kOKqg)

207 Epstein! Epstein! Epstein!
Posted by: Jan Brady
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Epstein! Epstein! Epstein!

Posted by: Izzy Mandelbaum Jr. at July 14, 2025 06:24 PM (2yoRf)

208 They couod handled this better even forrest gump knows that honestly though whos gonna force out pam bondi

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 14, 2025 06:25 PM (bXbFr)

209 But you should also be willing to admit you're being manipulated, especially when those with a keen interest in manipulating you to benefit the left chime in.

A lot of what we "know" about Epstein is speculation.
Discussing whether speculation should be accepted as fact doesn't mean, "OMG, you want pedos to go free!"
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 06:22 PM (JThEY)

I've been following this situation closely from the beginning. I lived near Epstein in NYC (in a much smaller residency, unfortunately).

I don't watch the news, don't have twitter, and don't spend a whole lot of time scrolling on CNN.com or whatever. I'm not being manipulated by "the left" here.

Yes, everything is obviously sketchy, it was reported third hand by the lying media. Trump said he would release everything, clearing up any misunderstandings.

Half of his cabinet said the same thing, and demanded those files get released.

Now on a dime it's "there are no files, nothing happened, shut up, it was a long time ago."

And I'm the one being manipulated here?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 06:26 PM (uCjyK)

210 Website: The Daily Epstein
Every day leak more stuff.

Posted by: torabora at July 14, 2025 06:26 PM (DoOmQ)

211 >>Jack - even you are not that fucking high.

No, but apparently you are that stupid.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2025 06:26 PM (viF8m)

212 Just to be clear, para 1 and the rest are about two different topics. One is how it works. The rest is why its important to get rid of the scum. Not even remotely trying to say Ace is in any club.

Posted by: Eric2 at July 14, 2025 06:26 PM (HMtpY)

213 That Tucker fellow sure is some kind of twat, isn't he?

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 14, 2025 06:27 PM (1Gsou)

214 Again, if this is not the hill you are willing to die on, then which hill are you willing to die on and why that and not this?

Posted by: Any Sense of Humanity? Bueller? Bueller? at July 14, 2025 06:27 PM (0DnHq)

215 kOKqg

the shadow knows

Posted by: gKWVE at July 14, 2025 06:27 PM (gKWVE)

216 This is a stupid own goal.

Not the first time Trump has done that.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2025 06:27 PM (JL0Wh)

217 It's 2016 all over again.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 14, 2025 06:27 PM (63Dwl)

218 213 That Tucker fellow sure is some kind of twat, isn't he?
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 14, 2025 06:27 PM (1Gsou)

Makes you wonder why he really got fired from Fox.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2025 06:28 PM (JL0Wh)

219 I agree with Trump and Bondi. By now any evidence is so messed with or old or unreliable it's not worth pursuing, considering the risk. So being named will shame the bad guys? It will also shame the good guys wrongly accused, or the ladies who didn't want their past revealed. And the original accuser is dead, so what do people want?

It's not worth the sacrifice of Trump's whole agenda.

Posted by: Imma Bad Person at July 14, 2025 06:28 PM (RRCAT)

220 "Because Trump" is manifestly an inadequate answer given that he is certainly not master of our IC anymore than prior presidents were, and possibly less so given his outsider status.

There was Bush 41, who was the US Liason to China before becoming the CIA director who then became Reagan's baby-sitter before taking the Oval office for himself and the IC.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 14, 2025 06:28 PM (kHd4y)

221 How many angels can dance on a pin is a more exciting philosophical question than how many kids did the pedophile rape.

I always wonder if this type of question is asked to be able to 'win' because trying to argue the point is highly distasteful. It's like area denial.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 14, 2025 06:28 PM (Yamow)

222 I'm ambivalent on her work so far, but she could do herself a small favor and stop running her mouth on Fox News every 10 minutes writing checks she can't cash.

Posted by: DBCoooper at July 14, 2025 06:28 PM (rTDdr)

223 No, but apparently you are that stupid.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2025 06:26 PM (viF8m)

Oh ... since we've reached the "insult" part of the program ? Fuck You and your Rhode Island High as a Kite ass. Seriously. Fuck everything so far South that you can't sail down her anyway, and one of us would punch you in your mouthy mouth if you did.

And Fuck You, if you didn't get the memo.

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:29 PM (kOKqg)

224 The man is old and tired.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 06:23 PM (xcxpd)

"Let's face it, I'm tired!" Lili Von Schtupp

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 14, 2025 06:29 PM (1Gsou)

225 Also goes for New Jersey. Pretty much everything Yankee.

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:29 PM (kOKqg)

226 Oh wait. I call bullshit on post 205. The statue of limitations runs out in a few weeks.

Posted by: Captain Fantastic at July 14, 2025 06:29 PM (uEWUd)

227 That Tucker fellow sure is some kind of twat, isn't he?

Kinda seems that way. He is being paid by some very shady individuals and I think he does what he's paid to do. Even when a couple years ago he was doing some good work his personal annoyed me with the squeaky voice and those mannerisms

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 06:29 PM (dfIr7)

228 I'm fine with the truth coming out, whatever it is. I disagree with those who say that questions must not be asked lest Trump be undermined.

Posted by: Apply gp Directly To Forehead at July 14, 2025 06:29 PM (TwZXH)

229 Did you know that the State of Washington is spending $25 million on a program to provide housing solely for illegal immigrants?

Whoops - I meant "asylum seekers"!

There are no words.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 14, 2025 06:30 PM (xTIDn)

230 Oh ... since we've reached the "insult" part of the program ? Fuck You and your Rhode Island High as a Kite ass. Seriously. Fuck everything so far South that you can't sail down her anyway, and one of us would punch you in your mouthy mouth if you did.

And Fuck You, if you didn't get the memo.
Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:29 PM (kOKqg)

Don't MAKE me come back there.....

Seriously, put a sock in it.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 14, 2025 06:30 PM (1Gsou)

231 Drag a candy bar through an elementary school...

Posted by: Lizard Face Carville at July 14, 2025 06:30 PM (dR6yv)

232 Out of curiosity, who do people think is fighting all of those cases in court including the win at the SC today?

We only have one DOJ.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2025 06:30 PM (viF8m)

233 Tell us a story that makes sense or dont leave a silly memo

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 14, 2025 06:30 PM (bXbFr)

234 >>> 189
==
I don't see the options as binary. The decision here isn't to support Trump on everything or on nothing.

We're far better off with Trump than without. But this stinks, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. I'm not going to do the Team Red thing.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 14, 2025 06:21 PM (TdYBy)

I think we mostly agree. I think the "list" is a bit like W blabbing about ObL - ending that guy wouldn't have ended jihadi imperialism - but then Trump and crew probably shouldn't have made such a big deal about said list, should they?? Epstein is a symptom / example of bigger ongoing problems and *if* Trump is successful I expect it will take longer than pretty much anything else he's trying to do.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 14, 2025 06:30 PM (ULPxl)

235 Tucker is drinking again.

Posted by: runner at July 14, 2025 06:31 PM (g47mK)

236 Kinda seems that way. He is being paid by some very shady individuals and I think he does what he's paid to do. Even when a couple years ago he was doing some good work his personal annoyed me with the squeaky voice and those mannerisms
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 06:29 PM (dfIr7)

The man has had like 4 different careers as 4 different characters in my lifetime. And his acting is terrible, his fake laugh made me swear off cable TV forever.

Anyways, that's neither here nor there.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 06:31 PM (uCjyK)

237 How can anyone believe that the Epstein scandal involves Trump or is even Trump-adjacent? That would be the sexiest chicken the Dems ever saw cross the road. The Dems would have done unspeakable things to that chicken. Sailors who witnessed the Dems actions would have dropped dead in horror.

Posted by: Oglebay at July 14, 2025 06:32 PM (MMp6W)

238 Makes you wonder why he really got fired from Fox.

==

He got fired from most places he worked. If not all.

Posted by: runner at July 14, 2025 06:32 PM (g47mK)

239 >>Oh ... since we've reached the "insult" part of the program ? Fuck You

Apparently you are even too stupid to know you started it.

And fuck you too, trailer trash.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2025 06:32 PM (viF8m)

240 I am watching The Incredibles.

Posted by: Accomack at July 14, 2025 06:32 PM (lqnbT)

241
Nood and not Epstein.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Imprison! Imprison! Imprison! at July 14, 2025 06:33 PM (XeTAE)

242 Thank you, Mistress.

May I have another?

Posted by: an epstein client videoed with Miss Conduct but not blackmailed at July 14, 2025 06:33 PM (2yoRf)

243 TuCa has talent as a broadcaster and interviewer but I think is moral compass is a desk fan.

Posted by: ballistic at July 14, 2025 06:33 PM (01DnR)

244 YYYYYEEEEEEAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH

Tension breaker. Had to be done.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 14, 2025 06:33 PM (u73oe)

245 144 Release the names. Or let Maxwell out. One or the other.
Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:04 PM (kOKqg)
------------------------------
Horseshit posts like this one showing up here now are obviously paid agitation from the left, trying to weaken Trump politically with his base.

—

So someone should serve 20 years for trafficking minors to people who don’t exist. Got it.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 14, 2025 06:33 PM (ImXfC)

246 Apparently you are even too stupid to know you started it.

And fuck you too, trailer trash.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2025 06:32 PM (viF8m)

You two need to have your heads knocked together.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 14, 2025 06:33 PM (1Gsou)

247 I want to see the release of 40 years of Epstein's financial transactions. Every account, every trade, every tax form, every deposit and withdrawal.

Posted by: Don at July 14, 2025 06:33 PM (H9FpV)

248 238 Makes you wonder why he really got fired from Fox.

==

He got fired from most places he worked. If not all.
Posted by: runner at July 14, 2025 06:32 PM (g47mK)

But I'm betting he let his inner Hitler slip in front of the boss.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 14, 2025 06:33 PM (JL0Wh)

249 As if they would trust naftali with anything important he was one of the four place holders that kept bibi out of the prime ministership

Vicky ward wouldnt know the truth if sat on her

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 14, 2025 06:34 PM (bXbFr)

250 I guess Carlson reinventing himself as neo-Goebbels might work for a bit, but I am not sure of a long term success of such a proposition.

Posted by: runner at July 14, 2025 06:34 PM (g47mK)

251 And fuck you too, trailer trash.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2025 06:32 PM (viF8m)

And fuck you especially because we'd all eat your fucking ass ... not in the way you'd like ... if you ever showed up in the trailer. You weak ass high Yankee.

You and CBD are the only reasons I ever consider burning points to go to a Mo Mee.

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:34 PM (kOKqg)

252 You two need to have your heads knocked together.

Now you've done it guys, you made mom mad

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 14, 2025 06:34 PM (dfIr7)

253 You two need to have your heads knocked together.

Be glad to show up. Let me know. Fuck him.

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:35 PM (kOKqg)

254 Nood and not Epstein.
--------
You can't prove that in a court of law!!!!

His face was covered!!!!

Posted by: andycanuck at July 14, 2025 06:35 PM (2yoRf)

255 It was a self inflicted wound

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at July 14, 2025 06:35 PM (bXbFr)

256 IDK, I just can't get worked up over this.

I know that everything we see in the media about child sex trafficking is the Disney cartoon sanitized version.
That the horrible shit our rich and powerful do to children daily is far, far more disgusting than you want to imagine.
Stomach-wrenching disgusting.

And that, even with iron-clad, impeccable documented proof, most of America will refuse to believe whatever Epstein did was real.
Some, because it's too horrific.
Others, because it's against their political team.

I mean, we went how many weeks with Democrats claiming Trump "staged" the Butler shooting?

But, there is a Guy who is going to sort this all out in His time and He put Trump where he is today.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 06:36 PM (JThEY)

257
Call me a One Issue Voter. Fuck Trump if that's not on his agenda.
Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:21 PM (kOKqg)

I mostly call you a troll shit stirrer hysteric. I doubt you vote at all from mummy's basement.

I don't need to defend what I feel about child porn, child abuse, or child trafficking. No one here needs to defend that as we feel exactly as you do,but without the hysterics.

Child traffickers daily are being caught and prosecuted. Child porn addicts as well. Those who kidnap and rape are being caught.They are being watched and arrested from online intel. Illegal bastard immigrants who do this and more are being deported daily. This is the tip of the iceberg. And the USA is doing far more for this horror than any country in the world.

YOU, nor the other shit stirrers don't have all the intel. Therefore your screeching is pointless.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at July 14, 2025 06:37 PM (6PCLE)

258 >>> 214 Again, if this is not the hill you are willing to die on, then which hill are you willing to die on and why that and not this?
Posted by: Any Sense of Humanity? Bueller? Bueller? at July 14, 2025 06:27 PM (0DnHq)

Just like I've been saying about the commie filth shrieking for the "right" to ~~help transition~~ mutilate children, I would be happy to help these higher-level criminal scumbags die on this hill.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 14, 2025 06:37 PM (ULPxl)

259 You and CBD are the only reasons I ever consider burning points to go to a Mo Mee.
Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:34 PM (kOKqg)

*****

Greetings and salutations, kOKqg.

Just curious, do you have beef with CBD as well as JackStraw?

Just curious.

Posted by: EFG at July 14, 2025 06:37 PM (6Y7N9)

260 Just curious, do you have beef with CBD as well as JackStraw?

Yankees. Its a Yankee board.

But no. I expressly DON'T got to any MoMee because of the Yankees that will try to run it. Their big personalities.

I wanted to go to them when Jim was around. We used to email about it.

And yeah ... CBD is a dick. Another reason I don't go. Because I can see it now. He'll be New Jersey. I'll just stay home.

Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:45 PM (kOKqg)

261
Blaire White is interviewing a victim right now, but she wasn't a minor when she met Epstein.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 14, 2025 06:45 PM (xp7+v)

262 So Vox Day is back on Twitter/X and going after Scott Adam's? Almost makes me wish I had Twitter, since that should be an interesting train wreck. The fact that a group of insane people and charlatans--Vox, Tucker, Musk, Bannon, Loomer, etc.--have made the List their pet obsession should give us a little pause, I think. Also, can we please stop using the "raped kids" rhetoric? It's a dishonest fudging of the lines; there has been nothing to indicate that Epstein's victims were prepubescent children--i.e., actual kids; they appear to have been teenage girls, many "barely legal," but all pubescent, and tbey were apparently groomed into the life, recruited others sometimes, and were allowed to leave the island if they wouldn't play Epstein's games, which is vile and evil and disgusting enough, but not quite the same level of depravity as abducting totally innocent little kids off the street and rapng them in a dungeon, which is what the overheated rhetoric implies. By using that rhetoric we're validating the leftist bullshit about how anyone under the legal age of minority is a "child" with no agency or responsibility for himself or herself.

Posted by: Wiese at July 14, 2025 06:48 PM (W2RQ1)

263 Posted by: Let Us Call Bullshit at July 14, 2025 06:45 PM (kOKqg)

******

Got it, thanks. I got a comment for you on the next thread.

TL/DR: You are caustic, but have been right in the past. I respect that.

Posted by: EFG at July 14, 2025 06:51 PM (6Y7N9)

264 237 How can anyone believe that the Epstein scandal involves Trump or is even Trump-adjacent? That would be the sexiest chicken the Dems ever saw cross the road. The Dems would have done unspeakable things to that chicken. Sailors who witnessed the Dems actions would have dropped dead in horror.
Posted by: Oglebay at July 14, 2025 06:32 PM (MMp6W)
This person knows chickens.

Posted by: Eromero at July 14, 2025 06:55 PM (LHPAg)

265 DeSantis is a Deep State stooge ... give it up Ace

Posted by: The Dark Lord at July 14, 2025 07:06 PM (DBAaD)

266 I suspect many people took part in the Epstein circles.. Where did there go? The whole underground clenched lip gang is alive and well still doing whatever it is they do from satanic parties to cooking people to messing with kids??? They are all very active still. They aren't going to give up the new Biden delivery of 300k minors.. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

Posted by: Captain Fantastic at July 14, 2025 07:09 PM (uEWUd)

267 Maybe someone has dirt on Bondi.
Prolly got drunk at a frat party and let Sigma Cum Cumstein have their way..

Posted by: Captain Fantastic at July 14, 2025 07:11 PM (uEWUd)

268 and Trump has pushed it as a story.
This is really the problem. He played it up (as did his team), and fed it to the people as red meat, and made promises based on it. But he didn't KNOW. He assumed, like so many, and rode it hard. If he had been less Trumpian about it, it wouldn't now be such an exploitable moment. Even more importantly, he should have insisted his people not be Trumpian about it.

Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2025 07:16 PM (+4DHB)

269 Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 14, 2025 06:30 PM (ULPxl)

THIS

Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2025 07:25 PM (+4DHB)

270 Even more importantly, he should have insisted his people not be Trumpian about it.

Posted by: GWB at July 14, 2025 07:16 PM (+4DHB)

He underestimated the number of rabid invalids who have been fantasizing for years that Epstein is their key to proving that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is totally real.

Word has also seemingly circulated among the commies that there's nothing to incriminate them so they're all busy playing up the whole "What's Trump got to hide? He must be a pedo!" bit.

And the nutjobs are eating it all up saying every single member of Trump's administration must be compromised or in on the "cover-up".

This is all a perfect example of why the nuts need to be told they are retarded and to shut up instead of indulging their insanity.

Posted by: Sjg at July 14, 2025 07:36 PM (aqZN1)

271 So if Obama, Hillary, Comey, etc. made up these files and all these other attacks, would it be fair to say they committed "crimes"? The sort of thing that people can be punished for?

Posted by: ChrisW at July 14, 2025 07:39 PM (rLfcT)

272 The O'Biden team doctored the Epstein files. All that's left is p3do pr0n.

Posted by: setnaffa at July 14, 2025 08:03 PM (dKSNq)

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