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THE MORNING RANT: Forsaking Further Conservative Victories Because of “Epstein Disappointment” is not Principled, It’s Surrender
Count me among the people who would very much like to see justice come to everyone who committed a crime in their association with Jeffrey Epstein. If there are any lists, files, documents, etc. that would incriminate the powerful and politically connected, I want them released. But I also fear that whatever evidence existed has likely been destroyed, and that the lore regarding “Epstein Island” may exceed the actual crimes.
That said, I refuse to join in with those seeking to blow up the Trump administration out of frustration that an “Epstein list” is not being released. Dating back to President Obama’s weaponization of government against his political enemies, I despair about the lack of accountability and consequences for those who so egregiously violated the public’s trust. From Lois Lerner to Anthony Fauci to the government employees pushing the Russia collusion hoax in an effort to overthrow Trump in his first term, I am extremely frustrated about the lack of accountability. I want prosecutions. But I also still want political victories wherever I can get them, and my frustration about the lack of prosecutions does not mean we should suspend the MAGA agenda. The same sentiment applies to the Epstein situation. Quite simply, be it Fauci or Epstein, I want these people prosecuted for their crimes. But irrespective of them being prosecuted or not, I still want my political priorities advanced. As I documented here a few days ago, the One Big Beautiful Bill that was just signed into law kneecapped green energy and has effectively defunded the “EV Transition.” The first six months of Trump 47’s presidency has seen the most dramatic rollback of big-government in my lifetime, and President Trump is also vigorously fighting the culture war too. This all correlates very closely to something I just wrote about at The Blaze. For decades, the phony “budget hawks” of the Republican establishment (e.g. Paul Ryan and his ilk) used “the deficit crisis” as an excuse to spike the conservative agenda. The gimmick was that nothing that America-first/cultural conservatives sought could be pursued legislatively until the budget crisis was fixed. But they also ensured that no fixes could be made, because the first cut they talked about was always to social security and Medicare, not cutting the low hanging fruit that Doge just tackled. Paul Ryan and his fellow establishmentarians never did anything to actually cut government, they just served to protect the swamp by having us feel we were projecting great principles while actually surrendering to the establishment. The “conservative” opposition to the One Big Beautiful Bill tried to exploit our principles the same way. They failed. Conservatism advanced and government is being rolled back. In summary, we cannot let frustration about Epstein cause us to stop the momentum of President Trump. Here is my piece at The Blaze, “The Budget Hoax That Nearly Sank Trump’s Biggest Win.” It’s behind a paywall, but as always, if you are a subscriber to The Blaze, I’d be honored if you’d give it a read.Too many conservatives have fallen for the “budget hawk hoax” for far too long, accepting that we cannot have any conservative victories so long as we have a national debt. Perhaps that day has finally ended. Yes, our country’s fiscal crisis is real, and it will persist. But forsaking any victories over the left because of the deficit is not a matter of high principle. It’s simply surrender.
My latest at The Blaze: "Budget hawks" have killed conservative legislation for decades, arguing that no conservative gains of any kind can pass Congress until the deficit is fixed. It's all a con job, but Republicans didn't fall for the hoax this time.https://t.co/0e19WV3tqm
— Buck Throckmorton (@BuckThrockmort) July 12, 2025
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Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 14, 2025 11:00 AM (N1DT3)
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Sponge!
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 11:00 AM (+bLMA)
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Count me among the people who would very much like to see festive little hats.
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at July 14, 2025 11:01 AM (PkYxy)
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THIS
Posted by: Lizzy at July 14, 2025 11:02 AM (GbwPZ)
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Good points.
Republicans/Conservatives too often make the perfect the enemy of the good.
That's where Elon is, as well.
(However, we don't need to accept "the bad" like Murkowski and her ilk.)
Republicans/Conservatives too often make the perfect the enemy of the good.
That's where Elon is, as well.
(However, we don't need to accept "the bad" like Murkowski and her ilk.)
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 14, 2025 11:02 AM (N1DT3)
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Well said, Buck
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 14, 2025 11:02 AM (jZAMu)
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I'm Cicero and I endorse this post.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 14, 2025 11:03 AM (dDmld)
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I'd love for Epstein filegate to go away.. It just seems to be gaining momentum...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 14, 2025 11:03 AM (VE6XX)
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Republicans/Conservatives too often make the perfect the enemy of the good.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian
How do you do, ma'am~?
Posted by: Formerly Virginian
How do you do, ma'am~?
Posted by: every libertarian at July 14, 2025 11:04 AM (mlg/3)
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The Epstein Trump hate is a leftist psyop.
Period.
On the conservative sites I frequent, even here, the coordinate low post "true MAGA" concern trolls being concerned is pretty transparent.
Do. Not. Fall. For. It.
Period.
On the conservative sites I frequent, even here, the coordinate low post "true MAGA" concern trolls being concerned is pretty transparent.
Do. Not. Fall. For. It.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at July 14, 2025 11:04 AM (17s+e)
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The left, and their handmaids on the 'right', have gotten very good at making emotional appeals which people will latch onto and follow that squirrel as the avalanche they care more about slides a bit further down the mountain.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 11:05 AM (ExV1e)
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8 I'd love for Epstein filegate to go away.. It just seems to be gaining momentum...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 14, 2025 11:03 AM (VE6XX)
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It's weird how 18 months is an eternity in politics except for whatever is dominating an individual's social media feed at the moment.
Posted by: It's me donna at July 14, 2025 11:03 AM (VE6XX)
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It's weird how 18 months is an eternity in politics except for whatever is dominating an individual's social media feed at the moment.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:05 AM (GBKbO)
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But NO IRISH!
Posted by: Olson Johnson at July 14, 2025 11:05 AM (dDmld)
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The deficit issue had some really stupid arguments.
When asked about cutting the things that people REALLY support cutting, the "conservatives" in the GOPe responded that "cutting things like foreign aid is the equivalent of cutting out a cup of coffee per day when you are overspending $10K a week!"
Ok, I'll grant them that it isn't the solution. BUT IF YOU WON'T EVEN CUT OUT THE CUP OF COFFEE, you're never going to fix the problem. Start with what's easy, THEN go to what's hard.
Of course, that is is they actually wanted to solve the problem. They never did, which is why it was all theatre.
When asked about cutting the things that people REALLY support cutting, the "conservatives" in the GOPe responded that "cutting things like foreign aid is the equivalent of cutting out a cup of coffee per day when you are overspending $10K a week!"
Ok, I'll grant them that it isn't the solution. BUT IF YOU WON'T EVEN CUT OUT THE CUP OF COFFEE, you're never going to fix the problem. Start with what's easy, THEN go to what's hard.
Of course, that is is they actually wanted to solve the problem. They never did, which is why it was all theatre.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 14, 2025 11:06 AM (N1DT3)
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Politics is the art of compromise.
It's rare that one side gets 100% of what it wants (unless it's Democrats getting the Collins/Murkowski/Romney wing of the GOPe to vote along with them).
It's rare that one side gets 100% of what it wants (unless it's Democrats getting the Collins/Murkowski/Romney wing of the GOPe to vote along with them).
Posted by: proudvastrightwingguy at July 14, 2025 11:07 AM (Ovc06)
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>> That said, I refuse to join in with those seeking to blow up the Trump administration out of frustration that an “Epstein list” is not being released.
Yes, but also -- this was a big part of Trump's promising to take on the Deep State.
And he spoke about it a lot. As did Kash, Bondi and Bongino. All people in power to reveal what the government has.
And they could have said "whatever once existed seems to have been destroyed." Fine. Find out who destroyed it and go after them.
But they're not saying that. They're saying, with full confidence, that there is no "list" and there are no videos, despite Pam Bondi saying the exact opposite 4 or 5 months ago. So they're clearly lying to us about something that could very likely be the biggest political scandal in recent history.
That's not a good look, and a lot of people do feel betrayed by it.
That's not to say Kamala would have been a better president, but also, I don't get how we're supposed to move on from this. It's like HW's "read my lips: no new taxes" pledge. Or Wilsons "I'll keep us out of war" pledge. Etc. etc.
Yes, but also -- this was a big part of Trump's promising to take on the Deep State.
And he spoke about it a lot. As did Kash, Bondi and Bongino. All people in power to reveal what the government has.
And they could have said "whatever once existed seems to have been destroyed." Fine. Find out who destroyed it and go after them.
But they're not saying that. They're saying, with full confidence, that there is no "list" and there are no videos, despite Pam Bondi saying the exact opposite 4 or 5 months ago. So they're clearly lying to us about something that could very likely be the biggest political scandal in recent history.
That's not a good look, and a lot of people do feel betrayed by it.
That's not to say Kamala would have been a better president, but also, I don't get how we're supposed to move on from this. It's like HW's "read my lips: no new taxes" pledge. Or Wilsons "I'll keep us out of war" pledge. Etc. etc.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:07 AM (uCjyK)
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How do you do, ma'am~?
Posted by: every libertarian at July 14, 2025 11:04 AM (mlg/3)
That's unfair to the libertarians. They also make the insane the enemy of the good.
Posted by: every libertarian at July 14, 2025 11:04 AM (mlg/3)
That's unfair to the libertarians. They also make the insane the enemy of the good.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 14, 2025 11:07 AM (N1DT3)
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The Epstein Trump hate is a leftist psyop.
You mean all the social media stars who didn't much care about the issue before but now say that TRUMP HAS ABANDONED MAGA are being disingenuous? I bet you said that while Trump was having hundreds of thousands of troops sent to Iran also.
You mean all the social media stars who didn't much care about the issue before but now say that TRUMP HAS ABANDONED MAGA are being disingenuous? I bet you said that while Trump was having hundreds of thousands of troops sent to Iran also.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 11:07 AM (ExV1e)
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Epstein is dead.
Maxwell is in jail.
The statute of limitations has run on probably every crime committed in the videos.
At best, shame is possible at this point for the shameless.
Diddy's case shows the likelihood anyone convicts anyone powerful for any sex trafficking or rape crimes, even if you could make the statute somehow expand.
Would it be nice to know - sure.
Don't we already suspect anyway - yes.
In the grand scheme, do I want to know over practically any other pro-life and pro-middle class priorities - no.
In the grand scheme, would I rather they out the deep state destroyers (like they did with the fake leak) b/c they could continue to damage us vs Epstein who is dead and can cause no further damage - yes.
Maxwell is in jail.
The statute of limitations has run on probably every crime committed in the videos.
At best, shame is possible at this point for the shameless.
Diddy's case shows the likelihood anyone convicts anyone powerful for any sex trafficking or rape crimes, even if you could make the statute somehow expand.
Would it be nice to know - sure.
Don't we already suspect anyway - yes.
In the grand scheme, do I want to know over practically any other pro-life and pro-middle class priorities - no.
In the grand scheme, would I rather they out the deep state destroyers (like they did with the fake leak) b/c they could continue to damage us vs Epstein who is dead and can cause no further damage - yes.
Posted by: Nova Local at July 14, 2025 11:07 AM (tOcjL)
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I really don't care about the Epstein stuff. Yes, if crimes were committed they should be prosecuted.
I just don't think it will ever happen. The clue is, if there was any information that would damage Trump or any Republican, it would have been released years ago.
It's all lefties, and they protect their own.
I just don't think it will ever happen. The clue is, if there was any information that would damage Trump or any Republican, it would have been released years ago.
It's all lefties, and they protect their own.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 14, 2025 11:08 AM (6eOSv)
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"But I also still want political victories wherever I can get them, and my frustration about the lack of prosecutions does not mean we should suspend the MAGA agenda."
"Lack of prosecutions." Anyone who thought there would be a single arrest -- let along prosecution -- of any of the Biden-era criminals is smoking alien hopeium.
"Lack of prosecutions." Anyone who thought there would be a single arrest -- let along prosecution -- of any of the Biden-era criminals is smoking alien hopeium.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 11:08 AM (iFTx/)
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Trump says FBI's Dan Bongino is 'in good shape' amid Jeffrey Epstein probe fallout
Francesca Chambers, USA TODAY, July 13, 2025
Francesca Chambers, USA TODAY, July 13, 2025
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 14, 2025 11:08 AM (NFX2v)
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22 Trump says FBI's Dan Bongino is 'in good shape' amid Jeffrey Epstein probe fallout
Francesca Chambers, USA TODAY, July 13, 2025
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 14, 2025 11:08 AM (NFX2v)
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Only fallout evident was social media supposition.
Francesca Chambers, USA TODAY, July 13, 2025
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 14, 2025 11:08 AM (NFX2v)
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Only fallout evident was social media supposition.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:09 AM (GBKbO)
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It's one of the problems with conspiracy... I won't say theories, but more the conspiracy mindset. It seem to lend itself to an all or nothing approach. You want a war of annihilation where all family business is settled in a single, glorious day.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 14, 2025 11:09 AM (bss/y)
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One of the few times that I wished that the HQ had a like button. My sentiments exactly and Nova Local summed it up at #19.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at July 14, 2025 11:09 AM (2NHgQ)
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That's unfair to the libertarians. They also make the insane the enemy of the good.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 14, 2025 11:07 AM (N1DT3)
(e.g. "ALL DRUGS LEGALIZED AND FULLY OPEN BORDER!"
"But even if that all worked as you believe it would, it CAN'T work while we have a welfare state, according to your own philosophy."
"SHUT UP STATIST!")
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 14, 2025 11:07 AM (N1DT3)
(e.g. "ALL DRUGS LEGALIZED AND FULLY OPEN BORDER!"
"But even if that all worked as you believe it would, it CAN'T work while we have a welfare state, according to your own philosophy."
"SHUT UP STATIST!")
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 14, 2025 11:09 AM (N1DT3)
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24 It's one of the problems with conspiracy... I won't say theories, but more the conspiracy mindset. It seem to lend itself to an all or nothing approach. You want a war of annihilation where all family business is settled in a single, glorious day.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 14, 2025 11:09 AM (bss/y)
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"I know exactly what the FBI has hidden in its vaults, and anyone who says anything in opposition to what I think is in there has been bought off."
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 14, 2025 11:09 AM (bss/y)
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"I know exactly what the FBI has hidden in its vaults, and anyone who says anything in opposition to what I think is in there has been bought off."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:10 AM (GBKbO)
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Ok, I'll grant them that it isn't the solution. BUT IF YOU WON'T EVEN CUT OUT THE CUP OF COFFEE, you're never going to fix the problem. Start with what's easy, THEN go to what's hard.
Of course, that is is they actually wanted to solve the problem. They never did, which is why it was all theatre.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 14, 2025 11:06 AM (N1DT3)
That's a related issue, but completely true. Paul Ryan and his team of "wonks" (remember that term) scoured the entire federal budget and determined there was absolutely nothing they could cut. The only deficit reduction that could be done would be by raising the social security retirement age. Which is clearly
a) not true
and
b) politically radioactive, especially since refer back to a.
Would people be willing to sacrifice a bit on social security if the government first cut massively in to their own spending? Probably. But Paul Ryan found a way to ensure zero cuts would happen, and instead the deficit continued to grow. That would indicate to me that no one was or is serious about cutting budgets.
Of course, that is is they actually wanted to solve the problem. They never did, which is why it was all theatre.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 14, 2025 11:06 AM (N1DT3)
That's a related issue, but completely true. Paul Ryan and his team of "wonks" (remember that term) scoured the entire federal budget and determined there was absolutely nothing they could cut. The only deficit reduction that could be done would be by raising the social security retirement age. Which is clearly
a) not true
and
b) politically radioactive, especially since refer back to a.
Would people be willing to sacrifice a bit on social security if the government first cut massively in to their own spending? Probably. But Paul Ryan found a way to ensure zero cuts would happen, and instead the deficit continued to grow. That would indicate to me that no one was or is serious about cutting budgets.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:10 AM (uCjyK)
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if there was any information that would damage Trump or any Republican, it would have been released years ago.
It's all lefties, and they protect their own.
Then why won't Trump release the list?
It's all lefties, and they protect their own.
Then why won't Trump release the list?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:10 AM (Riz8t)
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Here's the problem: if you don't impose fiscal rigor when you have the chance, you might never get the chance again. I realize that corruption has allowed MMT to keep us bumbling along, but I sincerely believe you cannot continue to mount up trillions in debt without a reckoning.
I'm all about cutting spending though. I'd rather have Conservative 'wins' by inflicting crippling cutbacks on the Progressive favorite projects than try to get wins by spending more more we don't have on Conservative favorite projects.
Regan did a lot of good for this country but the idea of permanent deficit spending wasn't one of them.
I'm all about cutting spending though. I'd rather have Conservative 'wins' by inflicting crippling cutbacks on the Progressive favorite projects than try to get wins by spending more more we don't have on Conservative favorite projects.
Regan did a lot of good for this country but the idea of permanent deficit spending wasn't one of them.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:10 AM (xcxpd)
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29 if there was any information that would damage Trump or any Republican, it would have been released years ago.
It's all lefties, and they protect their own.
Then why won't Trump release the list?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:10 AM (Riz8t)
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What is the list?
It's all lefties, and they protect their own.
Then why won't Trump release the list?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:10 AM (Riz8t)
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What is the list?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:11 AM (GBKbO)
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I'd love for Epstein filegate to go away.. It just seems to be gaining momentum...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 14, 2025 11:03 AM (VE6XX)
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The "memo" was a gift to the left (just look at which "news" source published the initial reports about it), after the build up the Epstein files initially got from the DOJ.
Once you decide not to pay any attention to the Propaganda agents, it does indeed go away.
Posted by: It's me donna at July 14, 2025 11:03 AM (VE6XX)
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The "memo" was a gift to the left (just look at which "news" source published the initial reports about it), after the build up the Epstein files initially got from the DOJ.
Once you decide not to pay any attention to the Propaganda agents, it does indeed go away.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 14, 2025 11:11 AM (PWqrv)
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It just seems to be gaining momentum..."
Sure, after seemingly everyone on the "right" keeps ranting on it. Funny that the mainstream ignored the whole thing until it became useful to beat on the right...
Sure, after seemingly everyone on the "right" keeps ranting on it. Funny that the mainstream ignored the whole thing until it became useful to beat on the right...
Posted by: man at July 14, 2025 11:11 AM (tubbA)
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Trump says FBI's Dan Bongino is 'in good shape' amid Jeffrey Epstein probe fallout
Francesca Chambers, USA TODAY, July 13, 2025
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 14, 2025 11:08 AM (NFX2v)
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Only fallout evident was social media supposition.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:09 AM (GBKbO)
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Wait -- he didn't quit? He didn't demand Trump fire his bosses' bosses, the AG of the USA? No way! I was assured this happened. Assured!
This was purely an op by anti-Trump forces looking to sow dissention and chaos. And many conservatives fell for it. We will never ever learn.
Francesca Chambers, USA TODAY, July 13, 2025
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 14, 2025 11:08 AM (NFX2v)
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Only fallout evident was social media supposition.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:09 AM (GBKbO)
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Wait -- he didn't quit? He didn't demand Trump fire his bosses' bosses, the AG of the USA? No way! I was assured this happened. Assured!
This was purely an op by anti-Trump forces looking to sow dissention and chaos. And many conservatives fell for it. We will never ever learn.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 11:11 AM (iFTx/)
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29 if there was any information that would damage Trump or any Republican, it would have been released years ago.
It's all lefties, and they protect their own.
Then why won't Trump release the list?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:10 AM (Riz8t)
My guess is that it would make it way too clear that the US Government was involved in honeypot operations using underaged girls. Epstein was one of 'our' operatives, I expect.
It's all lefties, and they protect their own.
Then why won't Trump release the list?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:10 AM (Riz8t)
My guess is that it would make it way too clear that the US Government was involved in honeypot operations using underaged girls. Epstein was one of 'our' operatives, I expect.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:12 AM (xcxpd)
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Buck,
I have always enjoyed your rants, especially the one on EVs.
This one is as well, spot on. People can grip about Trump on a number of issues. But what he has succeeded in doing so far is lifting the veil hiding what the powers that be have hidden behind and shown there is an alternative to what they are offering.
I have always enjoyed your rants, especially the one on EVs.
This one is as well, spot on. People can grip about Trump on a number of issues. But what he has succeeded in doing so far is lifting the veil hiding what the powers that be have hidden behind and shown there is an alternative to what they are offering.
Posted by: Lurking Cheshirecat at July 14, 2025 11:12 AM (w3u3d)
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They're saying, with full confidence, that there is no "list" and there are no videos, despite Pam Bondi saying the exact opposite 4 or 5 months ago.
Is it possible that Bondi, believing as many do, that there are lists, documents, plaster penis casts, etc... spoke incorrectly only to find out that there isn't anything?
Now, let's assume for the moment that once upon a time all those things existed. But now everyone says that they don't. How do you investigate something that everyone "in the know" says doesn't exist? People say that "a conspiracy this big couldn't last" and, yet, look at all the people who said nothing about senile Biden, all the people who said nothing about USAID, all the people who said nothing about the US funding the creation of covid.
Is it possible that Bondi, believing as many do, that there are lists, documents, plaster penis casts, etc... spoke incorrectly only to find out that there isn't anything?
Now, let's assume for the moment that once upon a time all those things existed. But now everyone says that they don't. How do you investigate something that everyone "in the know" says doesn't exist? People say that "a conspiracy this big couldn't last" and, yet, look at all the people who said nothing about senile Biden, all the people who said nothing about USAID, all the people who said nothing about the US funding the creation of covid.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 11:13 AM (ExV1e)
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Then why won't Trump release the list?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:10 AM (Riz8t)
My guess is that it would make it way too clear that the US Government was involved in honeypot operations using underaged girls. Epstein was one of 'our' operatives, I expect.
And Trump would defend them? I think not.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:10 AM (Riz8t)
My guess is that it would make it way too clear that the US Government was involved in honeypot operations using underaged girls. Epstein was one of 'our' operatives, I expect.
And Trump would defend them? I think not.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:13 AM (Riz8t)
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On the conservative sites I frequent, even here, the coordinate low post "true MAGA" concern trolls being concerned is pretty transparent.
yep
there's an obvious op being played out here
keep powder dry and hair unlit
yep
there's an obvious op being played out here
keep powder dry and hair unlit
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 11:13 AM (Pv3Rg)
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We'll see if it dies down this week.. If not Trump is probably gonna have to say something...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 14, 2025 11:13 AM (VE6XX)
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Is it possible that Bondi, believing as many do, that there are lists, documents, plaster penis casts, etc... spoke incorrectly only to find out that there isn't anything?
it's even likely that's what happened
it's even likely that's what happened
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 11:14 AM (Pv3Rg)
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 14, 2025 11:14 AM (NFX2v)
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40 We'll see if it dies down this week.. If not Trump is probably gonna have to say something...
he's said more than enough
no more talk
WORK
he's said more than enough
no more talk
WORK
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 11:14 AM (Pv3Rg)
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I suspect the List was what was already released: a list of flight logs and such.
What the SDNY got in their intentionally narrow in scope prosecution of Epstein when they raided his Manhattan residence. A social calendar, flight manifests, and his contacts.
What the SDNY got in their intentionally narrow in scope prosecution of Epstein when they raided his Manhattan residence. A social calendar, flight manifests, and his contacts.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:14 AM (GBKbO)
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Is Fauci in jail?
Posted by: Because Epstein is dead at July 14, 2025 11:14 AM (XQo4F)
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This was purely an op by anti-Trump forces looking to sow dissention and chaos. And many conservatives fell for it. We will never ever learn.
we're on edge.
which is fair.
but try to always take a deep breath
the Left works by forcing your hand too early
we're on edge.
which is fair.
but try to always take a deep breath
the Left works by forcing your hand too early
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 11:15 AM (Pv3Rg)
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love my shit pebble.s
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at July 14, 2025 11:15 AM (/8R+T)
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What is the list?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:11 AM (GBKbO)
The list of names of people who the underaged girls were sex trafficked to, or alternatively the list of people who Epstein kept blackmail material on.
Those lists should heavily overlap.
The FBI has spoken to all of those girls. The FBI took away boxes and boxes of evidence, and NYPD said they found a safe full of thumb drives and CD's. Pretty much everyone who has been inside any of Epstein's houses commented on the number of cameras there. Epstein's phonebook is publicly available.
So the FBI should have a list of names, dozens or hundreds of witnesses, and according to Bondi "tens of thousands of hours of video footage."
With just that information (and I imagine they have much more) they should be able to re-create the "list."
Also, Epstein was likely working for intel agencies. So the the CIA should also have the full file and full list of anyone Epstein was blackmailing based on reports that Epstein submitted to them.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:11 AM (GBKbO)
The list of names of people who the underaged girls were sex trafficked to, or alternatively the list of people who Epstein kept blackmail material on.
Those lists should heavily overlap.
The FBI has spoken to all of those girls. The FBI took away boxes and boxes of evidence, and NYPD said they found a safe full of thumb drives and CD's. Pretty much everyone who has been inside any of Epstein's houses commented on the number of cameras there. Epstein's phonebook is publicly available.
So the FBI should have a list of names, dozens or hundreds of witnesses, and according to Bondi "tens of thousands of hours of video footage."
With just that information (and I imagine they have much more) they should be able to re-create the "list."
Also, Epstein was likely working for intel agencies. So the the CIA should also have the full file and full list of anyone Epstein was blackmailing based on reports that Epstein submitted to them.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:16 AM (uCjyK)
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PDJT has done SO MUCH
the AutoPen thing interests me more at the moment - Epstein is dead and his works, while evil, have ended for now.
the AUTOPEN thing
it's huge
every time some asshat asks about Epstein/pedo shit, just answer with "The Biden Administration's works must be rescinded. They misused the autopen and many of those pardons are null"
the AutoPen thing interests me more at the moment - Epstein is dead and his works, while evil, have ended for now.
the AUTOPEN thing
it's huge
every time some asshat asks about Epstein/pedo shit, just answer with "The Biden Administration's works must be rescinded. They misused the autopen and many of those pardons are null"
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 11:17 AM (Pv3Rg)
50
all right, looking at all the new troll names, I'm going to dial down my concern about the Epstein files.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:17 AM (xcxpd)
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Right now, Trump is rolling like a juggernaut. Taking a side trip into Epstein would be throwing sand into the gears. Let's not. To me, flushing out the illegals and securing honest elections is more important.
One more point: a lot of the outrage at the Epstein episode is over what we think we know, not what we know we know.
One more point: a lot of the outrage at the Epstein episode is over what we think we know, not what we know we know.
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2025 11:17 AM (AOsQT)
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The FBI has spoken to all of those girls. The FBI took away boxes and boxes of evidence, and NYPD said they found a safe full of thumb drives and CD's. Pretty much everyone who has been inside any of Epstein's houses commented on the number of cameras there. Epstein's phonebook is publicly available.
So the FBI should have a list of names, dozens or hundreds of witnesses, and according to Bondi "tens of thousands of hours of video footage."
With just that information (and I imagine they have much more) they should be able to re-create the "list."
Also, Epstein was likely working for intel agencies. So the the CIA should also have the full file and full list of anyone Epstein was blackmailing based on reports that Epstein submitted to them.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:16 AM (uCjyK)
This amuses me b/c the same thing could have been written for the Mar-a-Lago raid...and all the evidence the FBI "got"...
The FBI has spoken to all of those girls. The FBI took away boxes and boxes of evidence, and NYPD said they found a safe full of thumb drives and CD's. Pretty much everyone who has been inside any of Epstein's houses commented on the number of cameras there. Epstein's phonebook is publicly available.
So the FBI should have a list of names, dozens or hundreds of witnesses, and according to Bondi "tens of thousands of hours of video footage."
With just that information (and I imagine they have much more) they should be able to re-create the "list."
Also, Epstein was likely working for intel agencies. So the the CIA should also have the full file and full list of anyone Epstein was blackmailing based on reports that Epstein submitted to them.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:16 AM (uCjyK)
This amuses me b/c the same thing could have been written for the Mar-a-Lago raid...and all the evidence the FBI "got"...
Posted by: Nova Local at July 14, 2025 11:18 AM (tOcjL)
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50 all right, looking at all the new troll names, I'm going to dial down my concern about the Epstein files.
bingo my man, very wise
bingo my man, very wise
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 11:18 AM (Pv3Rg)
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My guess is that it would make it way too clear that the US Government was involved in honeypot operations using underaged girls. Epstein was one of 'our' operatives, I expect.
And Trump would defend them? I think not.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:13 AM (Riz8t)
Well, here we are.
I'm not sure if Trump is "defending" anyone, but he's certainly not "blowing the whole thing up" by releasing the CIA files on Jeffrey Epstein, which would be a real easy way of ending all speculation.
Clearly the Deep State does not want us talking about Epstein anymore, and Trump seems to be all in on that.
And Trump would defend them? I think not.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:13 AM (Riz8t)
Well, here we are.
I'm not sure if Trump is "defending" anyone, but he's certainly not "blowing the whole thing up" by releasing the CIA files on Jeffrey Epstein, which would be a real easy way of ending all speculation.
Clearly the Deep State does not want us talking about Epstein anymore, and Trump seems to be all in on that.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:18 AM (uCjyK)
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at July 14, 2025 11:18 AM (g8Ew8)
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Buck your essay was fantastic, sorry I wanted to mention that first!
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 11:19 AM (Pv3Rg)
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Is John "penitentiary face" Brennan in jail?
Posted by: Because Epstein is dead at July 14, 2025 11:19 AM (XQo4F)
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It would have been nice if (if) it was known back when Bondi and her binders of bullshit were released that the "Epstein files" were an op that they'd said so then. The word is that the "files" have been doctored to create a certain narrative by deep state ticks who pass them up the chain.
And nobody questioned them until now.
The rank and file in Trump's administration need to start taking every piece of data, documentation and reevaluate it as likely bogus. Then go through the motions of confirming it through other channels. Quietly.
Trust no one.
And nobody questioned them until now.
The rank and file in Trump's administration need to start taking every piece of data, documentation and reevaluate it as likely bogus. Then go through the motions of confirming it through other channels. Quietly.
Trust no one.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 14, 2025 11:19 AM (Q4IgG)
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That's a related issue, but completely true. Paul Ryan and his team of "wonks" (remember that term) scoured the entire federal budget and determined there was absolutely nothing they could cut. The only deficit reduction that could be done would be by raising the social security retirement age. Which is clearly
a) not true
and
b) politically radioactive, especially since refer back to a.
Amendment:
1. The Congress shall present the President with a budget bill(s) at least one month prior to the end of the fiscal year. In any year where this deadline is not met, 10% of the House / Senate, drawn by random lot, shall be executed.
2. The budget bill(s) required by item 1 shall be written starting with a zero baseline. In any year in which a deficit is produced by the bill(s), 10% of the House / Senate, drawn by random lot, shall be executed.
3. In the event of a declared war, the Congressional budget may exceed revenues by a sum to be spent above normal military funding and spent entirely for the prosecution of the war. Any debt arising from the war must be retired, in its entirety, within 10 years of the end of the war.
a) not true
and
b) politically radioactive, especially since refer back to a.
Amendment:
1. The Congress shall present the President with a budget bill(s) at least one month prior to the end of the fiscal year. In any year where this deadline is not met, 10% of the House / Senate, drawn by random lot, shall be executed.
2. The budget bill(s) required by item 1 shall be written starting with a zero baseline. In any year in which a deficit is produced by the bill(s), 10% of the House / Senate, drawn by random lot, shall be executed.
3. In the event of a declared war, the Congressional budget may exceed revenues by a sum to be spent above normal military funding and spent entirely for the prosecution of the war. Any debt arising from the war must be retired, in its entirety, within 10 years of the end of the war.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 11:20 AM (ExV1e)
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That said, I refuse to join in with those seeking to blow up the Trump administration out of frustration that an “Epstein list” is not being released.
Not gonna "blow it up", but am extremely disappointed that it's business as usual.
Not gonna "blow it up", but am extremely disappointed that it's business as usual.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 11:20 AM (+bLMA)
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Any 'Epstein List' if it exists would have dozens of names of totally innocent people who have had contact with Epstein. I don't think there is a separate 'list' of under age clients. Any blackmail material would be in the form of tapes and audio. No reason to keep a list except as an addition to those tapes.
Also if you believe there is a list and that Epstein was murdered you would have to believe he was stupid enough not to have a fail safe kill switch.
Also if you believe there is a list and that Epstein was murdered you would have to believe he was stupid enough not to have a fail safe kill switch.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:21 AM (VofaG)
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all right, looking at all the new troll names, I'm going to dial down my concern about the Epstein files.
bingo my man, very wise
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 11:18 AM (Pv3Rg)
We shouldn't forget the older troll-adjacent members too.
bingo my man, very wise
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 11:18 AM (Pv3Rg)
We shouldn't forget the older troll-adjacent members too.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at July 14, 2025 11:21 AM (g8Ew8)
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Not gonna "blow it up", but am extremely disappointed that it's business as usual.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 11:20 AM (+bLMA)
I think that's more it than anything.
I didn't think Biden (or Kamala) would release any info on Epstein, because clearly they work(ed) for the deep state.
I don't think Jeb! or any mainstream R would either.
Trump said he would. A lot of us believed him, even if we were a bit skeptical after Trump 1.0.
And yet...
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 11:20 AM (+bLMA)
I think that's more it than anything.
I didn't think Biden (or Kamala) would release any info on Epstein, because clearly they work(ed) for the deep state.
I don't think Jeb! or any mainstream R would either.
Trump said he would. A lot of us believed him, even if we were a bit skeptical after Trump 1.0.
And yet...
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:21 AM (uCjyK)
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The media has picked up on it now and a Dem congressman wants to pass legislation demanding it be released .... Maybe the congressman should rethink that.. What is Trump releases it and it's full of Dems ? Maybe that was the plan all along.... Okay... Takes off tin foil hat
Posted by: It's me donna at July 14, 2025 11:22 AM (VE6XX)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, A Walmart 6 at July 14, 2025 11:22 AM (L/fGl)
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When Harry and the ASS troll are singing from the same hymnbook...
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 14, 2025 11:22 AM (gRLf5)
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Good piece on the budget (chicken) hawks; it provided a lot of clarification concerning their myopic world view.
Posted by: Paco at July 14, 2025 11:22 AM (mADJX)
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So the FBI should have a list of names, dozens or hundreds of witnesses, and according to Bondi "tens of thousands of hours of video footage."
Of Epstein boffing underaged girls all by his lonesome.
Pull my other leg. It plays Jingle Bells.
Of Epstein boffing underaged girls all by his lonesome.
Pull my other leg. It plays Jingle Bells.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 11:23 AM (+bLMA)
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Trump said he would. A lot of us believed him, even if we were a bit skeptical after Trump 1.0.
And yet...
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:21 AM (uCjyK)
There were a lot of very loud voices that were put into specific positions for reasons such as this.
And they all capitulated.
I want them all to come out and say that they were very wrong in their prior beliefs, if I am to believe them now.
And yet...
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:21 AM (uCjyK)
There were a lot of very loud voices that were put into specific positions for reasons such as this.
And they all capitulated.
I want them all to come out and say that they were very wrong in their prior beliefs, if I am to believe them now.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 11:23 AM (KbCG3)
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When Harry and the ASS troll are singing from the same hymnbook...
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 14, 2025 11:22 AM (gRLf5)
I scroll by his posts but that's what I would have guessed.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 14, 2025 11:22 AM (gRLf5)
I scroll by his posts but that's what I would have guessed.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:24 AM (VofaG)
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66 When Harry and the ASS troll are singing from the same hymnbook...
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 14, 2025 11:22 AM (gRLf5)
Yes, yes, I know. When talking about the Ukraine war, I'm a Putin puppet.
When talking about the Israeli wars, I'm an antisemite.
When talking about Epstein, I'm just a troll.
Do you guys get an email every morning with the agreed upon talking points for the day, or is this a Fox News thing I'm just out of the loop on?
I suspect if I spent my time looking at threads on this very website about Epstein from a year ago, you'd be singing a very different tune.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 14, 2025 11:22 AM (gRLf5)
Yes, yes, I know. When talking about the Ukraine war, I'm a Putin puppet.
When talking about the Israeli wars, I'm an antisemite.
When talking about Epstein, I'm just a troll.
Do you guys get an email every morning with the agreed upon talking points for the day, or is this a Fox News thing I'm just out of the loop on?
I suspect if I spent my time looking at threads on this very website about Epstein from a year ago, you'd be singing a very different tune.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:25 AM (uCjyK)
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Let’s say Epstein was primarily working for Mossad.
What would be the reaction of the American public if we found out that our staunch ally Israel was setting up an underage honeypot sex ring?
What would be the reaction of the American public if we found out that our staunch ally Israel was setting up an underage honeypot sex ring?
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at July 14, 2025 11:25 AM (Vh9CX)
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>>It's like HW's "read my lips: no new taxes" pledge. Or Wilsons "I'll keep us out of war" pledge. Etc. etc.
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No, it isn't. Not at all. Trump would have to come out for full amnesty and and open border for him to join the company of those betrayers.
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No, it isn't. Not at all. Trump would have to come out for full amnesty and and open border for him to join the company of those betrayers.
Posted by: Frasier Crane at July 14, 2025 11:25 AM (bNf8H)
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Like many, I just want the truth. If the Trump Administration is dropping the Epstein case in toto, then (in my view) they need to tell us the unvarnished why of it. 'The mountain of evidence we told you about has magically disappeared' just doesn't cut it.
I suspect the whole thing was a joint CIA and Mossad operation intended to gain leverage over Epstein's clients, who almost certainly included Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew--presidents and princes, celebrities and political power players.
Do Trump and his people think the damage to the country revealing those names would be greater than any benefits bringing these powerful people to justice would incur? Probably. Do they think prosecuting, say, Bill Clinton, would serve as an enormous distraction and possibly derail Trump's agenda? No doubt.
If that's the case, then they should say so outright. They can keep such a declaration devoid of client names. This is about trust. This is about justice. Treat us like adults. We're not fucking children. We can take it.
I suspect the whole thing was a joint CIA and Mossad operation intended to gain leverage over Epstein's clients, who almost certainly included Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew--presidents and princes, celebrities and political power players.
Do Trump and his people think the damage to the country revealing those names would be greater than any benefits bringing these powerful people to justice would incur? Probably. Do they think prosecuting, say, Bill Clinton, would serve as an enormous distraction and possibly derail Trump's agenda? No doubt.
If that's the case, then they should say so outright. They can keep such a declaration devoid of client names. This is about trust. This is about justice. Treat us like adults. We're not fucking children. We can take it.
Posted by: troyriser at July 14, 2025 11:25 AM (DPeYO)
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Whig and I have comments at the end of the last post that are salient and erudite.
Bottom line, very few pushing the "why hasn't Trump lined all the world's elite up and shot them?!" or variations to whatever lesser degree, are not honest dealers seeking a beneficial outcome for anyone but the world elite.
And yes, those "good guys" on right-wing media ... still have to put food on their table by selling views.
Comment I heard over the weekend:
Ignore the headlines, it's emotional manipulation to sell your attention.
Bottom line, very few pushing the "why hasn't Trump lined all the world's elite up and shot them?!" or variations to whatever lesser degree, are not honest dealers seeking a beneficial outcome for anyone but the world elite.
And yes, those "good guys" on right-wing media ... still have to put food on their table by selling views.
Comment I heard over the weekend:
Ignore the headlines, it's emotional manipulation to sell your attention.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 11:25 AM (JThEY)
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@8
>>I'd love for Epstein filegate to go away.. It just seems to be gaining momentum...
Epstein is never going away, so it would behoove the administration to come clean and stop covering up and expose the Deep State.
There is nothing stopping the administration from accomplishing things and revealing who was running Epstein.
They are the ones the created the situation and they can rectify it.
>>I'd love for Epstein filegate to go away.. It just seems to be gaining momentum...
Epstein is never going away, so it would behoove the administration to come clean and stop covering up and expose the Deep State.
There is nothing stopping the administration from accomplishing things and revealing who was running Epstein.
They are the ones the created the situation and they can rectify it.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2025 11:26 AM (XV/Pl)
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Didn't know this before but Alan Dershowitz was involved in the investigation years ago, don't know in what capacity. In a recorded interview he said there are numerous rich, powerful people implicated but he has signed confidentiality agreements to not to disclose any names or any information about them. Not just a few, which we all assumed already but many. I found that interesting.
Posted by: Ripley at July 14, 2025 11:26 AM (GUOwU)
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Any debt arising from the war must be retired, in its entirety, within 10 years of the end of the war.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 11:20 AM (ExV1e)
Then we execute a random 10% of congress.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 11:20 AM (ExV1e)
Then we execute a random 10% of congress.
Posted by: Reforger at July 14, 2025 11:26 AM (lPvx2)
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Any 'Epstein List' if it exists would have dozens of names of totally innocent people who have had contact with Epstein. I don't think there is a separate 'list' of under age clients. Any blackmail material would be in the form of tapes and audio. No reason to keep a list except as an addition to those tapes.
Also if you believe there is a list and that Epstein was murdered you would have to believe he was stupid enough not to have a fail safe kill switch.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:21 AM (VofaG)
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The "client list" that people claim Dershowitz talks about really isn't a client list at all. Dersh talked about "names" that included men who he claims were falsely accused by Guiffree. And I'm sure there were some false accusations. Trump, for one.
Also if you believe there is a list and that Epstein was murdered you would have to believe he was stupid enough not to have a fail safe kill switch.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:21 AM (VofaG)
____
The "client list" that people claim Dershowitz talks about really isn't a client list at all. Dersh talked about "names" that included men who he claims were falsely accused by Guiffree. And I'm sure there were some false accusations. Trump, for one.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (iFTx/)
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72 Let’s say Epstein was primarily working for Mossad.
What would be the reaction of the American public if we found out that our staunch ally Israel was setting up an underage honeypot sex ring?
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at July 14, 2025 11:25 AM (Vh9CX)
If stuff like this was in it why didn't Biden have it released ?
What would be the reaction of the American public if we found out that our staunch ally Israel was setting up an underage honeypot sex ring?
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at July 14, 2025 11:25 AM (Vh9CX)
If stuff like this was in it why didn't Biden have it released ?
Posted by: It's me donna at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (VE6XX)
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There were a lot of very loud voices that were put into specific positions for reasons such as this.
And they all capitulated.
I want them all to come out and say that they were very wrong in their prior beliefs, if I am to believe them now.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 11:23 AM (KbCG3)
Agreed. We're just expected to move on and pretend none of that happened?
I never even listened to Bongino on whatever podcast he had or whatever, but I've seen clips of him ranting about Epstein (on twitter) for years.
Now he's saying "there's nothing there."
Kash Patel looked like he was a POW in Korea filming a "I hate America" hostage video when Rogan asked him about Epstein on his podcast. Guy is a terrible liar. All he could say was "do you really think the Russiagate guy, Kash Patel, would lie to you about this?!?"
And they all capitulated.
I want them all to come out and say that they were very wrong in their prior beliefs, if I am to believe them now.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 11:23 AM (KbCG3)
Agreed. We're just expected to move on and pretend none of that happened?
I never even listened to Bongino on whatever podcast he had or whatever, but I've seen clips of him ranting about Epstein (on twitter) for years.
Now he's saying "there's nothing there."
Kash Patel looked like he was a POW in Korea filming a "I hate America" hostage video when Rogan asked him about Epstein on his podcast. Guy is a terrible liar. All he could say was "do you really think the Russiagate guy, Kash Patel, would lie to you about this?!?"
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (uCjyK)
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It's not the lists that bother me. It's the lies. Bondi's alligator mouth made promises her hummingbird ass couldn't keep.
Posted by: creeper at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (zFwIe)
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I tend to disagree with Harry Paratestes more than not, but I do defend his posting here.
He's not a troll, at least.
Some of these fucking nics....jeez...
He's not a troll, at least.
Some of these fucking nics....jeez...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (xcxpd)
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Bottom line, very few pushing the "why hasn't Trump lined all the world's elite up and shot them?!"
I mean...are you saying no?
I mean...are you saying no?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (Riz8t)
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Let’s say Epstein was primarily working for Mossad.
What would be the reaction of the American public if we found out that our staunch ally Israel was setting up an underage honeypot sex ring?
Posted by: MAGA_Ken
What would our reaction be if we found out our very own government was setting up an underage honeypot sex ring/pizza parlor?
What would be the reaction of the American public if we found out that our staunch ally Israel was setting up an underage honeypot sex ring?
Posted by: MAGA_Ken
What would our reaction be if we found out our very own government was setting up an underage honeypot sex ring/pizza parlor?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (+bLMA)
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I suspect if I spent my time looking at threads on this very website about Epstein from a year ago, you'd be singing a very different tune.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:25 AM (uCjyK)
———-
People get accused of blindly following Trump but as soon as MAGA people have a disagreement with Trump it’s all “get on board no matter what.”
There is no reason that this disagreement needs to be simply sweep under the rug.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:25 AM (uCjyK)
———-
People get accused of blindly following Trump but as soon as MAGA people have a disagreement with Trump it’s all “get on board no matter what.”
There is no reason that this disagreement needs to be simply sweep under the rug.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at July 14, 2025 11:28 AM (Vh9CX)
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I'm wondering if we'll get a similar post when Trump tells you all to shut up about that thing he just did with your guns.
Posted by: No one. at July 14, 2025 11:28 AM (CQ3Qb)
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@77
>>don't know in what capacity
Dershowitz was one of Epstein's Lawyers, he represented him in the Florida case.
He helped negotiate his wildly generous plea deal.
Dresh know sh*t, so that f**ker needs to be grilled.
>>don't know in what capacity
Dershowitz was one of Epstein's Lawyers, he represented him in the Florida case.
He helped negotiate his wildly generous plea deal.
Dresh know sh*t, so that f**ker needs to be grilled.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2025 11:28 AM (XV/Pl)
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78 Any debt arising from the war must be retired, in its entirety, within 10 years of the end of the war.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 11:20 AM (ExV1e)
Then we execute a random 10% of congress.
Posted by: Reforger at July 14, 2025 11:26 AM (lPvx2)
*perks up*
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 14, 2025 11:20 AM (ExV1e)
Then we execute a random 10% of congress.
Posted by: Reforger at July 14, 2025 11:26 AM (lPvx2)
*perks up*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:28 AM (xcxpd)
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83 He's not a troll, at least.
Some of these fucking nics....jeez...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (xcxpd)
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I feel seen...
Some of these fucking nics....jeez...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (xcxpd)
=======
I feel seen...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:28 AM (GBKbO)
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The Hill, 'Biden hits back at Trump, GOP over autopen criticism: ‘They’re liars’ by Colin Meyn - 07/13/25
In part, "The former president accused Republicans of stirring up the autopen controversy as a distraction.
“They’ve lied so consistently about almost everything they’re doing. The best thing they can do is try to change the focus and focus on something else. And this is a — I think that’s what this is about,” he said."
That took some thought. While they're still firing up Epstein theories v. MAGA supporters.
Time to end Pizza Gate, Qnon and bring in new (including DOGE) for the next generations of agitators.
In part, "The former president accused Republicans of stirring up the autopen controversy as a distraction.
“They’ve lied so consistently about almost everything they’re doing. The best thing they can do is try to change the focus and focus on something else. And this is a — I think that’s what this is about,” he said."
That took some thought. While they're still firing up Epstein theories v. MAGA supporters.
Time to end Pizza Gate, Qnon and bring in new (including DOGE) for the next generations of agitators.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 14, 2025 11:28 AM (NFX2v)
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This sounds like one of the most pernicious arguments from the Shrub years - namely that we need to win the WoT and everything else is secondary.
Which is...BS.
The Trump admin can work on the BBB, or targeted spending cuts, or whatever, AND prosecute the Epstein clients and Fauci and his minions.
Which is...BS.
The Trump admin can work on the BBB, or targeted spending cuts, or whatever, AND prosecute the Epstein clients and Fauci and his minions.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:30 AM (t0Rmr)
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72 Let’s say Epstein was primarily working for Mossad.
What would be the reaction of the American public if we found out that our staunch ally Israel was setting up an underage honeypot sex ring?
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at July 14, 2025 11:25 AM (Vh9CX)
If stuff like this was in it why didn't Biden have it released ?
Posted by: It's me donna at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (VE6XX)
Obviously this goes beyond partisan politics. I don't happen to think that Israel would be able to pull something like this off on US soil without the CIA knowing or being involved.
I suspect the CIA was the mastermind here, and this is just Deep State CYA nonsense at this point, as the CIA doesn't want to admit they control our politicians through blackmail, coercion, and other unpleasantness.
But this heavily implicating foreign policy is one possibility of why there is a strong bipartisan consensus to not release anything about this situation.
What would be the reaction of the American public if we found out that our staunch ally Israel was setting up an underage honeypot sex ring?
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at July 14, 2025 11:25 AM (Vh9CX)
If stuff like this was in it why didn't Biden have it released ?
Posted by: It's me donna at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (VE6XX)
Obviously this goes beyond partisan politics. I don't happen to think that Israel would be able to pull something like this off on US soil without the CIA knowing or being involved.
I suspect the CIA was the mastermind here, and this is just Deep State CYA nonsense at this point, as the CIA doesn't want to admit they control our politicians through blackmail, coercion, and other unpleasantness.
But this heavily implicating foreign policy is one possibility of why there is a strong bipartisan consensus to not release anything about this situation.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:30 AM (uCjyK)
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I know what I don't know and concede everything I say is conjecture based on info only garnered from news reports. Others act like they sat in on the DOJ FBI meetings and had access to all the files with their definitive statements.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:30 AM (VofaG)
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If you care about this epstein bullshit, I mean REALLY care, then You have problems.
This has absolutely ZERO impact on Your life.
Smarten up, dummies.
If you care about this epstein bullshit, I mean REALLY care, then You have problems.
This has absolutely ZERO impact on Your life.
Smarten up, dummies.
Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 11:30 AM (IS8kY)
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What would our reaction be if we found out our very own government was setting up an underage honeypot sex ring/pizza parlor?
well I wouldn't need my "shocked face"
well I wouldn't need my "shocked face"
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (Pv3Rg)
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The "client list" that people claim Dershowitz talks about really isn't a client list at all. Dersh talked about "names" that included men who he claims were falsely accused by Guiffree. And I'm sure there were some false accusations. Trump, for one.
The point is that Epstein's entire operation was based on getting irrefutable evidence of "elites" behaving badly. I'll assume he was competent at that, and I'll further assume the Feds now have that material. If not, they should say so. If so, we don't need to quibble about "lists". We have the real evidence, or we don't.
The point is that Epstein's entire operation was based on getting irrefutable evidence of "elites" behaving badly. I'll assume he was competent at that, and I'll further assume the Feds now have that material. If not, they should say so. If so, we don't need to quibble about "lists". We have the real evidence, or we don't.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (Riz8t)
98
I tend to disagree with Harry Paratestes more than not, but I do defend his posting here.
He's not a troll, at least.
Some of these fucking nics....jeez...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (xcxpd)
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"What you talkin' 'bout?"
-- Trolly Trolltastic Troll
He's not a troll, at least.
Some of these fucking nics....jeez...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (xcxpd)
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"What you talkin' 'bout?"
-- Trolly Trolltastic Troll
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (iFTx/)
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so, let me get this right, "Festive Little Hats" is code for "cervical cap for birth control", right?
I always feel left out of this new hep cat talk.
I always feel left out of this new hep cat talk.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (D7oie)
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:28 AM (GBKbO)
Have you changed your mind from a few days ago?
Have you changed your mind from a few days ago?
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (VofaG)
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94 I know what I don't know and concede everything I say is conjecture based on info only garnered from news reports. Others act like they sat in on the DOJ FBI meetings and had access to all the files with their definitive statements.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:30 AM (VofaG)
I'll be the first to admit it.. I have no clue on this...
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:30 AM (VofaG)
I'll be the first to admit it.. I have no clue on this...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (VE6XX)
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100 Have you changed your mind from a few days ago?
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (VofaG)
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About what?
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (VofaG)
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About what?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (GBKbO)
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I'm also not in jail.
Have you seen my new scarf collection? You can buy them on Etsy!
Have you seen my new scarf collection? You can buy them on Etsy!
Posted by: Deborah Birx at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (XQo4F)
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I'll repeat what I said below:
Destroying the power of the degenerate and despicable world elite will be far more painful to them and longer-lasting than any "justice" meted out via transient or dubious success of any criminal prosecution.
Trump is the nuclear threat to that power.
Think of it as demanding your knight charge the 100-foot rock walls of the castle--NOW!!--instead of destroying the castle walls first.
Destroying the power of the degenerate and despicable world elite will be far more painful to them and longer-lasting than any "justice" meted out via transient or dubious success of any criminal prosecution.
Trump is the nuclear threat to that power.
Think of it as demanding your knight charge the 100-foot rock walls of the castle--NOW!!--instead of destroying the castle walls first.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (JThEY)
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What would our reaction be if we found out our very own government was setting up an underage honeypot sex ring/pizza parlor?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (+bLM
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Outraged of course. And hope people get sent to jail.
If it was a foreign country doing it then all diplomats should be expelled from the USA with demands that the leadership of that country resign and crippling financial sanctions imposed.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (+bLM
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Outraged of course. And hope people get sent to jail.
If it was a foreign country doing it then all diplomats should be expelled from the USA with demands that the leadership of that country resign and crippling financial sanctions imposed.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at July 14, 2025 11:32 AM (Vh9CX)
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Cutting spending is hard because there are no direct negative consequences for Congress for spending more then they should.
Yes if they spend enough, like during the Biden years they cause hyperinflation but even so the response is fairly muted.
Does some Dem Rep from a Blue Shitty elected like clock work through fraud really care? Hell no.
Yes if they spend enough, like during the Biden years they cause hyperinflation but even so the response is fairly muted.
Does some Dem Rep from a Blue Shitty elected like clock work through fraud really care? Hell no.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:32 AM (t0Rmr)
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>>> What would our reaction be if we found out our very own government was setting up an underage honeypot sex ring/pizza parlor?
"deep state gonna deep state"
"deep state gonna deep state"
Posted by: brak at July 14, 2025 11:32 AM (jGJov)
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Comment I heard over the weekend:
Ignore the headlines, it's emotional manipulation to sell your attention.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 11:25 AM (JThEY)
This is true about every single "news" story. There hasn't been anything reported by anyone ever since they were still putting feathers in caps and naming them after pasta that wasn't entirely motivated by emotional manipulation.
It's almost to the point of being a kind of inversion. It isn't so much that there was once something we called "the news" but it one day became mostly about emotional manipulation by Those Bastards. It's that there's a whole lot of emotional manipulation to be done and one day it started to be called "the news".
This pre-dates America by centuries. It probably pre-dates writing itself, for crying out loud.
Ignore the headlines, it's emotional manipulation to sell your attention.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 11:25 AM (JThEY)
This is true about every single "news" story. There hasn't been anything reported by anyone ever since they were still putting feathers in caps and naming them after pasta that wasn't entirely motivated by emotional manipulation.
It's almost to the point of being a kind of inversion. It isn't so much that there was once something we called "the news" but it one day became mostly about emotional manipulation by Those Bastards. It's that there's a whole lot of emotional manipulation to be done and one day it started to be called "the news".
This pre-dates America by centuries. It probably pre-dates writing itself, for crying out loud.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2025 11:32 AM (VoAdT)
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Quicksand sinks all wagons. Move on to what we want and not what we find tempting. Epstein at this point is quicksand. Its a TRAP.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 14, 2025 11:33 AM (W3T6M)
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oooh. nice metaphor People's Hippo
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 11:33 AM (Pv3Rg)
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He's not a troll, at least.
Some of these fucking nics....jeez...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (xcxpd)
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I feel seen...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:28 AM (GBKbO)
*weighs Prometheus love against Ozu love*
Some of these fucking nics....jeez...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (xcxpd)
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I feel seen...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:28 AM (GBKbO)
*weighs Prometheus love against Ozu love*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:33 AM (xcxpd)
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If it was a foreign country doing it then all diplomats should be expelled from the USA with demands that the leadership of that country resign and crippling financial sanctions imposed.
I think Britain was formerly running Epstein, with full access from our government through Five Eyes.
Britain is in no way our ally, and its time we update our foreign policy to recognize this.
If it was a foreign country doing it then all diplomats should be expelled from the USA with demands that the leadership of that country resign and crippling financial sanctions imposed.
I think Britain was formerly running Epstein, with full access from our government through Five Eyes.
Britain is in no way our ally, and its time we update our foreign policy to recognize this.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:33 AM (t0Rmr)
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Have you changed your mind from a few days ago?
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (VofaG)
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About what?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (GBKbO)
How did I know you were going to say that?
Carry on.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (VofaG)
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About what?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (GBKbO)
How did I know you were going to say that?
Carry on.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:33 AM (VofaG)
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AND prosecute the Epstein clients and Fauci and his minions.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:30 AM (t0Rmr)
You can't prosecute Epstein clients. Statute of limitations has run. And it's possible the location chosen for their trysts also had everyone of age for the law in that location (since they flew there), so it may not even be a felony crime for many of them even if it hasn't run.
Epstein and Maxwell did the trafficking. Nobody else found and moved the women/girls. If anything, you could hit the powerful for the Diddy "paid for prostitution" charge which is a nothing, and as mentioned, is outside the statute.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:30 AM (t0Rmr)
You can't prosecute Epstein clients. Statute of limitations has run. And it's possible the location chosen for their trysts also had everyone of age for the law in that location (since they flew there), so it may not even be a felony crime for many of them even if it hasn't run.
Epstein and Maxwell did the trafficking. Nobody else found and moved the women/girls. If anything, you could hit the powerful for the Diddy "paid for prostitution" charge which is a nothing, and as mentioned, is outside the statute.
Posted by: Nova Local at July 14, 2025 11:33 AM (tOcjL)
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A strongly worded letter will be fine.
Posted by: Dirac_Delta at July 14, 2025 11:33 AM (+Xwnt)
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106 Does some Dem Rep from a Blue Shitty elected like clock work through fraud really care? Hell no.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:32 AM (t0Rmr)
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I just wish the Freedom Caucus had banded together 10 years ago to horsetrade their votes by getting specific, long-running pork cut from CRs and budgets as their prices for votes.
15 years of, "Sure, I'll vote for this, if you cut this $1 billion program," from like 20 Reps could have made a dent.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:32 AM (t0Rmr)
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I just wish the Freedom Caucus had banded together 10 years ago to horsetrade their votes by getting specific, long-running pork cut from CRs and budgets as their prices for votes.
15 years of, "Sure, I'll vote for this, if you cut this $1 billion program," from like 20 Reps could have made a dent.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:33 AM (GBKbO)
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I still believe fiscal responsibility is worth fighting for (although it may already be too late )
I still believe there ought to be transparency with what was happening in Jeff Epstein's Jailbait Island.
I don't think wanting these things makes me an enemy of the other parts of Trump's agenda.
I still believe there ought to be transparency with what was happening in Jeff Epstein's Jailbait Island.
I don't think wanting these things makes me an enemy of the other parts of Trump's agenda.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 14, 2025 11:34 AM (Ieyo8)
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113 How did I know you were going to say that?
Carry on.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:33 AM (VofaG)
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Man, I comment way too much here.
Carry on.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:33 AM (VofaG)
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Man, I comment way too much here.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:34 AM (GBKbO)
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I'll be the first to admit it.. I have no clue on this...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (VE6XX)
Me neither. But all the arguing is a fun read.
Posted by: It's me donna at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (VE6XX)
Me neither. But all the arguing is a fun read.
Posted by: one hour sober at July 14, 2025 11:34 AM (Y1sOo)
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Less than 12 months ago, the Department of Injustice was STILL rounding up Jan 6 partcipants.
So excuse me if I don't give a FLYING FUCK about epstein.
Because I Remember.
I can remember *before* the last Fake News cycle. I remember all the Shit we were going through the last 5 years, and how close we came to being an official Enemy of the State, and living in a third-world shithole banana republic.
Less than 12 months ago, the Department of Injustice was STILL rounding up Jan 6 partcipants.
So excuse me if I don't give a FLYING FUCK about epstein.
Because I Remember.
I can remember *before* the last Fake News cycle. I remember all the Shit we were going through the last 5 years, and how close we came to being an official Enemy of the State, and living in a third-world shithole banana republic.
Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 11:34 AM (IS8kY)
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111 *weighs Prometheus love against Ozu love*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:33 AM (xcxpd)
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*throws in Escape from LA love*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:33 AM (xcxpd)
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*throws in Escape from LA love*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:34 AM (GBKbO)
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You can't prosecute Epstein clients. Statute of limitations has run. And it's possible the location chosen for their trysts also had everyone of age for the law in that location (since they flew there), so it may not even be a felony crime for many of them even if it hasn't run.
I have no doubt whatsoever that you can find grounds to prosecute the Epstein clients. That's something that's become very clear - the US government can always find some way to charge someone if they WANT to.
I have no doubt whatsoever that you can find grounds to prosecute the Epstein clients. That's something that's become very clear - the US government can always find some way to charge someone if they WANT to.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:35 AM (t0Rmr)
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Again, why exposing the Epstein Op is crucial is because the Op wasn't directed at foreign "enemies," it was essentially directed at the people of the Western World and Anglospshere to maintain control over them.
If you've ever wondered why can't seem to ever get what we want from our politician, the Epstein Op is the reason.
If you've ever wondered why can't seem to ever get what we want from our politician, the Epstein Op is the reason.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2025 11:35 AM (XV/Pl)
124
The simplest explanation for the opacity of the Epstein investigation is that powerful people are being protected.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 14, 2025 11:35 AM (Ieyo8)
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Britain is in no way our ally, and its time we update our foreign policy to recognize this.
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Britain clings to NATO as its only semi empire. It wants to keep its upstart brother in NATO and cutting checks.
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Britain clings to NATO as its only semi empire. It wants to keep its upstart brother in NATO and cutting checks.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 14, 2025 11:35 AM (W3T6M)
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I have no doubt whatsoever that you can find grounds to prosecute the Epstein clients. That's something that's become very clear - the US government can always find some way to charge someone if they WANT to.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:35 AM (t0Rmr)
See: Donald Trump
I have no doubt whatsoever that you can find grounds to prosecute the Epstein clients. That's something that's become very clear - the US government can always find some way to charge someone if they WANT to.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:35 AM (t0Rmr)
See: Donald Trump
Posted by: It's me donna at July 14, 2025 11:35 AM (VE6XX)
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You can't prosecute Epstein clients. Statute of limitations has run. And it's possible the location chosen for their trysts also had everyone of age for the law in that location (since they flew there), so it may not even be a felony crime for many of them even if it hasn't run.
Then Trump et al. need to say so. I doubt most people here really care about seeing these people serving long sentences. They want public humiliations galore for the high and mighty who have behaved badly. Simply releasing the information would accomplish that.
Then Trump et al. need to say so. I doubt most people here really care about seeing these people serving long sentences. They want public humiliations galore for the high and mighty who have behaved badly. Simply releasing the information would accomplish that.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:36 AM (Riz8t)
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You know what I Really Care about??
I care about stopping California Democrats from STEALING more House seats in 2026 & 2028.
You know what I Really Care about??
I care about stopping California Democrats from STEALING more House seats in 2026 & 2028.
Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 11:36 AM (IS8kY)
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The point is that Epstein's entire operation was based on getting irrefutable evidence of "elites" behaving badly. I'll assume he was competent at that, and I'll further assume the Feds now have that material. If not, they should say so. If so, we don't need to quibble about "lists". We have the real evidence, or we don't.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (Riz8t)
And it would have been SO EASY for Trump's team to come out and say "well... we reviewed everything and we can't find any lists or evidence. So either the FBI never had it and the CIA is lying to us, or it never existed."
Rogan even pushed Patel on this point. Patel said no videos exist (except child porn of Epstein and young girls and he wouldn't "re-victimize the women" by releasing THAT), and there is no list. Definitely said that. No hedging on "it probably once existed but now doesn't."
And the narrative is now that Epstein was a lone wolf pedophile, except for Ghislaine who is in jail for sex trafficking although there is no list of people who she trafficked the girls to.
And Acosta was lying or whatever when he said he was told Epstein worked for intelligence.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (Riz8t)
And it would have been SO EASY for Trump's team to come out and say "well... we reviewed everything and we can't find any lists or evidence. So either the FBI never had it and the CIA is lying to us, or it never existed."
Rogan even pushed Patel on this point. Patel said no videos exist (except child porn of Epstein and young girls and he wouldn't "re-victimize the women" by releasing THAT), and there is no list. Definitely said that. No hedging on "it probably once existed but now doesn't."
And the narrative is now that Epstein was a lone wolf pedophile, except for Ghislaine who is in jail for sex trafficking although there is no list of people who she trafficked the girls to.
And Acosta was lying or whatever when he said he was told Epstein worked for intelligence.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:36 AM (uCjyK)
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The "client list" that people claim Dershowitz talks about really isn't a client list at all. Dersh talked about "names" that included men who he claims were falsely accused by Guiffree. And I'm sure there were some false accusations. Trump, for one.
The point is that Epstein's entire operation was based on getting irrefutable evidence of "elites" behaving badly. I'll assume he was competent at that, and I'll further assume the Feds now have that material. If not, they should say so. If so, we don't need to quibble about "lists". We have the real evidence, or we don't.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (Riz8t)
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Spoiler alert: there is no evidence. If there ever was, it's long long long gone. This shit happened 20 years ago. His FL plea deal was in 2008, for conduct that went back to the 1990s. How many presidents, AGs, FBI directors, federal prosecutors, etc have come and gone during that time? Anything that ever existed is long gone.
The point is that Epstein's entire operation was based on getting irrefutable evidence of "elites" behaving badly. I'll assume he was competent at that, and I'll further assume the Feds now have that material. If not, they should say so. If so, we don't need to quibble about "lists". We have the real evidence, or we don't.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (Riz8t)
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Spoiler alert: there is no evidence. If there ever was, it's long long long gone. This shit happened 20 years ago. His FL plea deal was in 2008, for conduct that went back to the 1990s. How many presidents, AGs, FBI directors, federal prosecutors, etc have come and gone during that time? Anything that ever existed is long gone.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 11:36 AM (iFTx/)
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I suspect that Epstein Island was a honeypot and recruitment tool for the WEF, and that org shared enough dirt with the CIA that they allowed it continue.
And if Trump and his people now have some of that kompromat in their hands, then they can use it to apply pressure to certain politicians that need pressuring.
And if Trump and his people now have some of that kompromat in their hands, then they can use it to apply pressure to certain politicians that need pressuring.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 14, 2025 11:36 AM (gRLf5)
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123 Again, why exposing the Epstein Op is crucial is because the Op wasn't directed at foreign "enemies," it was essentially directed at the people of the Western World and Anglospshere to maintain control over them.
If you've ever wondered why can't seem to ever get what we want from our politician, the Epstein Op is the reason.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2025 11:35 AM (XV/Pl)
Well, one of the reasons.
If you've ever wondered why can't seem to ever get what we want from our politician, the Epstein Op is the reason.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2025 11:35 AM (XV/Pl)
Well, one of the reasons.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 11:36 AM (KbCG3)
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If the clients cannot be prosecuted, that is even more reason to release their identities.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 14, 2025 11:36 AM (Ieyo8)
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I cant even remember how I guessed on the NYE Epstein question. I care far more about cutting taxpayer funding for the NGOs that exist just to elect commiecrats. After 4 years of Biden's people heading the FBI and CIA I doubt there is much of an Epstein list remaining. Possibly they left only the names of Rs and conservative types.
If they did that; I'm not rooting for those folks to just skate, but there would be a calculus of "the FNM will say only Rs, and conservatives were Epstein clients, is it worth putting commies back in charge to release only this part of the list?" If the good guys do have those names, perhaps they will go after the sleazeballs for other things.
If they did that; I'm not rooting for those folks to just skate, but there would be a calculus of "the FNM will say only Rs, and conservatives were Epstein clients, is it worth putting commies back in charge to release only this part of the list?" If the good guys do have those names, perhaps they will go after the sleazeballs for other things.
Posted by: PaleRider at July 14, 2025 11:36 AM (bP/i4)
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121 111 *weighs Prometheus love against Ozu love*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:33 AM (xcxpd)
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*throws in Escape from LA love*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:34 AM (GBKbO)
*decides on 'troll'*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:33 AM (xcxpd)
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*throws in Escape from LA love*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:34 AM (GBKbO)
*decides on 'troll'*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:36 AM (xcxpd)
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128
You know what I Really Care about??
I care about stopping California Democrats from STEALING more House seats in 2026 & 2028.
Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 11:36 AM (IS8kY)
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42-9.
I guess they could steal one or two more, but I really feel like they're maxed out.
You know what I Really Care about??
I care about stopping California Democrats from STEALING more House seats in 2026 & 2028.
Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 11:36 AM (IS8kY)
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42-9.
I guess they could steal one or two more, but I really feel like they're maxed out.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:37 AM (GBKbO)
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What would our reaction be if we found out our very own government was setting up an underage honeypot sex ring/pizza parlor?
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (+bLMA)
at the very least, firing the idiots who OK'd it, and getting the girls pensions and VA benefits.
If it is Mossa then the Israelis can fund it.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (+bLMA)
at the very least, firing the idiots who OK'd it, and getting the girls pensions and VA benefits.
If it is Mossa then the Israelis can fund it.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 14, 2025 11:37 AM (D7oie)
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135 *throws in Escape from LA love*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:34 AM (GBKbO)
*decides on 'troll'*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:36 AM (xcxpd)
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I've never denied it!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:34 AM (GBKbO)
*decides on 'troll'*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:36 AM (xcxpd)
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I've never denied it!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:37 AM (GBKbO)
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Some of these fucking nics....jeez...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (xcxpd)
*side eyes*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (xcxpd)
*side eyes*
Posted by: Michelle Obama's Landing Strip at July 14, 2025 11:38 AM (wVcYX)
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138 135 *throws in Escape from LA love*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:34 AM (GBKbO)
I like Escape from LA.. It's so bad it's good..
138 135 *throws in Escape from LA love*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:34 AM (GBKbO)
I like Escape from LA.. It's so bad it's good..
Posted by: It's me donna at July 14, 2025 11:38 AM (VE6XX)
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lmao, what cowardly bullshit
"I want answers as much as you guys! But I dunno, let's let the whole child sex trafficking stuff slide..."
This is craven bootlicking. I'm glad that judging by the lack of Twitter interactions, other people are as unimpressed by this pathetic bullshit as I am.
"I want answers as much as you guys! But I dunno, let's let the whole child sex trafficking stuff slide..."
This is craven bootlicking. I'm glad that judging by the lack of Twitter interactions, other people are as unimpressed by this pathetic bullshit as I am.
Posted by: deepelemblues at July 14, 2025 11:38 AM (ipV99)
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72 Let’s say Epstein was primarily working for Mossad.
What would be the reaction of the American public if we found out that our staunch ally Israel was setting up an underage honeypot sex ring?
Slow down there Tucker.
What would be the reaction of the American public if we found out that our staunch ally Israel was setting up an underage honeypot sex ring?
Slow down there Tucker.
Posted by: ADL at July 14, 2025 11:38 AM (stEYJ)
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I think Epstein was more interested in getting the high rollers he was "entertaining" to bankroll his financial adventures than anything else. If they needed to be prodded into giving him large sums of money he had photos to prod them with.
Maybe it's not some convoluted operation involving intelligence agencies. The issues surrounding human trafficking certainly need to be explored, but the overall situation is probably a lot less.... interesting.
Like I said upthread; the administration needs to start taking all the intelligence info they're being fed and double/triple check it authenticity.
Maybe it's not some convoluted operation involving intelligence agencies. The issues surrounding human trafficking certainly need to be explored, but the overall situation is probably a lot less.... interesting.
Like I said upthread; the administration needs to start taking all the intelligence info they're being fed and double/triple check it authenticity.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 14, 2025 11:38 AM (Q4IgG)
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The point is that Epstein's entire operation was based on getting irrefutable evidence of "elites" behaving badly. I'll assume he was competent at that, and I'll further assume the Feds now have that material. If not, they should say so. If so, we don't need to quibble about "lists". We have the real evidence, or we don't.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (Riz8t)
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Spoiler alert: there is no evidence. If there ever was, it's long long long gone. This shit happened 20 years ago. His FL plea deal was in 2008, for conduct that went back to the 1990s. How many presidents, AGs, FBI directors, federal prosecutors, etc have come and gone during that time? Anything that ever existed is long gone.
Then how did they convict him, and why did somone unalive him?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (Riz8t)
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Spoiler alert: there is no evidence. If there ever was, it's long long long gone. This shit happened 20 years ago. His FL plea deal was in 2008, for conduct that went back to the 1990s. How many presidents, AGs, FBI directors, federal prosecutors, etc have come and gone during that time? Anything that ever existed is long gone.
Then how did they convict him, and why did somone unalive him?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:38 AM (Riz8t)
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122 You can't prosecute Epstein clients. Statute of limitations has run. And it's possible the location chosen for their trysts also had everyone of age for the law in that location (since they flew there), so it may not even be a felony crime for many of them even if it hasn't run.
I have no doubt whatsoever that you can find grounds to prosecute the Epstein clients. That's something that's become very clear - the US government can always find some way to charge someone if they WANT to.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:35 AM (t0Rmr)
And Trump has been trying to get away from that and reinforce rule of law - actual law. Why would we want him to stop doing that?
I have no doubt whatsoever that you can find grounds to prosecute the Epstein clients. That's something that's become very clear - the US government can always find some way to charge someone if they WANT to.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:35 AM (t0Rmr)
And Trump has been trying to get away from that and reinforce rule of law - actual law. Why would we want him to stop doing that?
Posted by: Nova Local at July 14, 2025 11:39 AM (tOcjL)
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Then Trump et al. need to say so. I doubt most people here really care about seeing these people serving long sentences. They want public humiliations galore for the high and mighty who have behaved badly. Simply releasing the information would accomplish that.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:36 AM (Riz8t)
I don't care if we give all of the John's full immunity at this point.
We need to know who was running this Op, how infiltrated and blackmailed our institutions are, and how common these kinds of Ops are.
We need a 21st Century Church Committee on this. This should be a huge deal.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:36 AM (Riz8t)
I don't care if we give all of the John's full immunity at this point.
We need to know who was running this Op, how infiltrated and blackmailed our institutions are, and how common these kinds of Ops are.
We need a 21st Century Church Committee on this. This should be a huge deal.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:39 AM (uCjyK)
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The feds hunted down every person who was within a mile of the Capitol on January 6. It is difficult to believe they don't know who Epstein's clients were.
Ghislaine's little black book was sealed by a judge. Remember that?
Ghislaine's little black book was sealed by a judge. Remember that?
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 14, 2025 11:39 AM (Ieyo8)
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The diabolical Doctor Fauci has arguably killed way more people than were ever harmed by Epstein, yet somehow remains untouchable.
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2025 11:39 AM (AOsQT)
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I just wish the Freedom Caucus had banded together 10 years ago to horsetrade their votes by getting specific, long-running pork cut from CRs and budgets as their prices for votes.
I think the general approach to handling spending it wrong here, and I think we aren't considering the big picture enough.
The old model is that the government wastes money and spends too much overall so let's find the most wasteful bits and cut those.
When we succeed then we cut small potato things that get swamped by new wasteful spending.
Instead think of the budget as a conflict. Our goal should be to end, or at least reduce, any and all spending that primarily benefits the left. This means wasteful rightwing spending will accrue which I don't care about. Why? Because once we get in this mode the left will target THAT spending.
With both sides cutting spending we might actually get somewhere. And since the left is much more dependent on this spending we'll be hurting them the whole time.
I think the general approach to handling spending it wrong here, and I think we aren't considering the big picture enough.
The old model is that the government wastes money and spends too much overall so let's find the most wasteful bits and cut those.
When we succeed then we cut small potato things that get swamped by new wasteful spending.
Instead think of the budget as a conflict. Our goal should be to end, or at least reduce, any and all spending that primarily benefits the left. This means wasteful rightwing spending will accrue which I don't care about. Why? Because once we get in this mode the left will target THAT spending.
With both sides cutting spending we might actually get somewhere. And since the left is much more dependent on this spending we'll be hurting them the whole time.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:39 AM (t0Rmr)
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We have an institutionalized system of Injustice at the highest levels of government.
It's not focused around party politics, much as it may seem, it's not focused around wealth gathering, it's not focused on race. It is about power, taking it from the people and putting into their hands.
They want to run the country and they do not want interference, exposure, or accessibility. That is behind Jan 6, behind Epstein's murder and coverup, and pretty much every other scandal that matters.
It's not focused around party politics, much as it may seem, it's not focused around wealth gathering, it's not focused on race. It is about power, taking it from the people and putting into their hands.
They want to run the country and they do not want interference, exposure, or accessibility. That is behind Jan 6, behind Epstein's murder and coverup, and pretty much every other scandal that matters.
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Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 11:40 AM (IS8kY)
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I like Escape from LA.. It's so bad it's good..
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Can I interest you in Ghost Ship or Sahara?
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Can I interest you in Ghost Ship or Sahara?
Posted by: pudinhead at July 14, 2025 11:40 AM (W3T6M)
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148 The diabolical Doctor Fauci has arguably killed way more people than were ever harmed by Epstein, yet somehow remains untouchable.
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2025 11:39 AM (AOsQT)
"Presidential" pardon, even.
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2025 11:39 AM (AOsQT)
"Presidential" pardon, even.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:41 AM (xcxpd)
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I can remember *before* the last Fake News cycle. I remember all the Shit we were going through the last 5 years, and how close we came to being an official Enemy of the State, and living in a third-world shithole banana republic.
exactly Sooth
and yesterday - think about what almost happened a year ago yesterday.
If the Left had succeeded there, think where we'd be
there's a lot of work to be done on things active now. the Epstein op is no longer active. it's not a rush rush, not anymore.
cleaning up elections, cutting govt, and improving things for American citizens should be the focus
exactly Sooth
and yesterday - think about what almost happened a year ago yesterday.
If the Left had succeeded there, think where we'd be
there's a lot of work to be done on things active now. the Epstein op is no longer active. it's not a rush rush, not anymore.
cleaning up elections, cutting govt, and improving things for American citizens should be the focus
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 11:41 AM (Pv3Rg)
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Less than 12 months ago, the Department of Injustice was STILL rounding up Jan 6 partcipants.
So excuse me if I don't give a FLYING FUCK about epstein.
Because I Remember.
I do too. That's precisely WHY I care. Because J6'ers were being locked up for nothing while those fucking little kids skate.
So excuse me if I don't give a FLYING FUCK about epstein.
Because I Remember.
I do too. That's precisely WHY I care. Because J6'ers were being locked up for nothing while those fucking little kids skate.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 11:41 AM (+bLMA)
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This is all BS
Bondi needs to come out and say she was told by the previous administration hat there were boxes of Epstein files and videos. Upon further examination, these "files" we e all known documents and all the original files and thumb drives and videos were destroyed by the previous administration. We are investigating who ordered the destruction and when it occurred. And apologize to the American people and the president.
Bondi needs to come out and say she was told by the previous administration hat there were boxes of Epstein files and videos. Upon further examination, these "files" we e all known documents and all the original files and thumb drives and videos were destroyed by the previous administration. We are investigating who ordered the destruction and when it occurred. And apologize to the American people and the president.
Posted by: Megthered at July 14, 2025 11:41 AM (GOJbT)
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The point is that Epstein's entire operation was based on getting irrefutable evidence of "elites" behaving badly. I'll assume he was competent at that, and I'll further assume the Feds now have that material. If not, they should say so. If so, we don't need to quibble about "lists". We have the real evidence, or we don't.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (Riz8t)
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Spoiler alert: there is no evidence. If there ever was, it's long long long gone. This shit happened 20 years ago. His FL plea deal was in 2008, for conduct that went back to the 1990s. How many presidents, AGs, FBI directors, federal prosecutors, etc have come and gone during that time? Anything that ever existed is long gone.
Then how did they convict him, and why did somone unalive him?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:38 AM (Riz8t)
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Who convicted him? He was never convicted of anything. He pleaded to reduced charges in FL. That's it.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:31 AM (Riz8t)
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Spoiler alert: there is no evidence. If there ever was, it's long long long gone. This shit happened 20 years ago. His FL plea deal was in 2008, for conduct that went back to the 1990s. How many presidents, AGs, FBI directors, federal prosecutors, etc have come and gone during that time? Anything that ever existed is long gone.
Then how did they convict him, and why did somone unalive him?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:38 AM (Riz8t)
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Who convicted him? He was never convicted of anything. He pleaded to reduced charges in FL. That's it.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 11:41 AM (iFTx/)
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And Trump has been trying to get away from that and reinforce rule of law - actual law. Why would we want him to stop doing that?
Because politics doesn't work like that. Like in Game Theory if you always choose "cooperate" even when they choose "betray" you will never win.
Trump should take the same attitude the Junta took against the J6 protestors and crank it to 11. Every Epstein client, every BLM/antifa leader, every Fauci minion should be looking at the J6 process on steroids.
Because politics doesn't work like that. Like in Game Theory if you always choose "cooperate" even when they choose "betray" you will never win.
Trump should take the same attitude the Junta took against the J6 protestors and crank it to 11. Every Epstein client, every BLM/antifa leader, every Fauci minion should be looking at the J6 process on steroids.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:41 AM (t0Rmr)
Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 11:42 AM (IS8kY)
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149 Instead think of the budget as a conflict. Our goal should be to end, or at least reduce, any and all spending that primarily benefits the left. This means wasteful rightwing spending will accrue which I don't care about. Why? Because once we get in this mode the left will target THAT spending.
With both sides cutting spending we might actually get somewhere. And since the left is much more dependent on this spending we'll be hurting them the whole time.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:39 AM (t0Rmr)
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That was kind of my thought.
"This funding of a research facility in MA-03 must be cut for my vote."
-Freedom Caucus member
"I have no idea what's going on because I'm a backbencher who doesn't read legislation."
-Rep for MA-03
With both sides cutting spending we might actually get somewhere. And since the left is much more dependent on this spending we'll be hurting them the whole time.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:39 AM (t0Rmr)
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That was kind of my thought.
"This funding of a research facility in MA-03 must be cut for my vote."
-Freedom Caucus member
"I have no idea what's going on because I'm a backbencher who doesn't read legislation."
-Rep for MA-03
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:42 AM (GBKbO)
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They want to run the country and they do not want interference, exposure, or accessibility. That is behind Jan 6, behind Epstein's murder and coverup, and pretty much every other scandal that matters.
There is iron in your words of death. The "elites" fear exposure more than jail, because exposure would cause too many people to conclude they really aren't "elites" at all, and don't deserve power.
There is iron in your words of death. The "elites" fear exposure more than jail, because exposure would cause too many people to conclude they really aren't "elites" at all, and don't deserve power.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:42 AM (Riz8t)
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there's a lot of work to be done on things active now. the Epstein op is no longer active. it's not a rush rush, not anymore.
cleaning up elections, cutting govt, and improving things for American citizens should be the focus
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 11:41 AM (Pv3Rg)
Then why the hell did Trump and Co. make such a big deal about it prior to the election?
cleaning up elections, cutting govt, and improving things for American citizens should be the focus
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 11:41 AM (Pv3Rg)
Then why the hell did Trump and Co. make such a big deal about it prior to the election?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 11:42 AM (KbCG3)
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if this is a conspiracy then its the most successful conspiracy with hundreds of conspirators who are enemies with each other otherwise.
a funny part to me in this dark saga though is Dershowitz's denials of participation.
he got massages but not massage massages.
a funny part to me in this dark saga though is Dershowitz's denials of participation.
he got massages but not massage massages.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:43 AM (VofaG)
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The left under the Junta: The Epstein thing is a conspiracy theory just like Pizzagate. There is no there there. You just like to accuse people you don't like of being Pedos
The left now: Trump won't prosecute the Epstein clients because he is one. He's a PEDO!!!
The left now: Trump won't prosecute the Epstein clients because he is one. He's a PEDO!!!
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:43 AM (t0Rmr)
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>Britain is in no way our ally, and its time we update our foreign policy to recognize this.
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Fun Fact: The President and First Lady will travel to the UK in September for an official state visit.
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Fun Fact: The President and First Lady will travel to the UK in September for an official state visit.
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2025 11:43 AM (AOsQT)
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I paid $2.71 for a dozen eggs yesterday.
I paid $2.71 for a dozen eggs yesterday.
Posted by: So there's that at July 14, 2025 11:43 AM (XQo4F)
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No arrests for COVID crimes.
No arrests for Epstein’s clients.
No Big Pharma executives arrested.
No human traffickers arrested.
No election fraudsters arrested.
No climate scam operators arrested.
No Ukraine money launderers arrested.
Welcome to the clown world: justice is dead.
No arrests for Epstein’s clients.
No Big Pharma executives arrested.
No human traffickers arrested.
No election fraudsters arrested.
No climate scam operators arrested.
No Ukraine money launderers arrested.
Welcome to the clown world: justice is dead.
Posted by: kilroy at July 14, 2025 11:44 AM (QMNUD)
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Then why the hell did Trump and Co. make such a big deal about it prior to the election?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 11:42 AM (KbCG3)
Because it brought in votes?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 11:42 AM (KbCG3)
Because it brought in votes?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 14, 2025 11:44 AM (gRLf5)
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Then why the hell did Trump and Co. make such a big deal about it prior to the election?
something changed, clearly
events, my dear. fluidity. it's a thing.
I assume they know the landscape has somehow shifted. I don't think they were being duplicitous then. but they weren't in govt yet.
something changed, clearly
events, my dear. fluidity. it's a thing.
I assume they know the landscape has somehow shifted. I don't think they were being duplicitous then. but they weren't in govt yet.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 11:44 AM (Pv3Rg)
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Then why the hell did Trump and Co. make such a big deal about it prior to the election?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 11:42 AM (KbCG3)
You know, we've only had about a decade to judge, but I don't think Trump is very good at thinking ahead and controlling his impulses. Just a thought.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 11:42 AM (KbCG3)
You know, we've only had about a decade to judge, but I don't think Trump is very good at thinking ahead and controlling his impulses. Just a thought.
Posted by: deepelemblues at July 14, 2025 11:44 AM (ipV99)
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Then why the hell did Trump and Co. make such a big deal about it prior to the election?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 11:42 AM (KbCG3)
Politicians make big things about everything that makes their opponent look bad before an election. Unlike others, Trump has actually followed through on a bunch of things...this is actually unusual...
Then why the hell did Trump and Co. make such a big deal about it prior to the election?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 11:42 AM (KbCG3)
Politicians make big things about everything that makes their opponent look bad before an election. Unlike others, Trump has actually followed through on a bunch of things...this is actually unusual...
Posted by: Nova Local at July 14, 2025 11:44 AM (tOcjL)
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the US government can always find some way to charge someone if they WANT to.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:35 AM (t0Rmr)
That's where I'm at. They jailed murdering gangsters for tax evasion back in the day. Anything they could get them on just to get alleged shitheads off the streets.
Look at what they tried against Trump.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:35 AM (t0Rmr)
That's where I'm at. They jailed murdering gangsters for tax evasion back in the day. Anything they could get them on just to get alleged shitheads off the streets.
Look at what they tried against Trump.
Posted by: Reforger at July 14, 2025 11:44 AM (lPvx2)
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My wife took my son to CostCo and he was able to buy 36 beers for less than a dollar each. Future Leader was shocked and pleased.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 14, 2025 11:45 AM (W3T6M)
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lol, PDT was just lamenting about biden also choosing the Resolute Desk...
lol, PDT was just lamenting about biden also choosing the Resolute Desk...
Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 11:45 AM (IS8kY)
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I think the general approach to handling spending it wrong here, and I think we aren't considering the big picture enough.
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The thing about spending is that you can't cut it until the Boomers are no longer a voting base. Not just because they are unwilling to cut their own benefits - they aren't. It is because radical spending cuts are going to be ... radical. Getting the Boomer generation, which is still a huge and reliable voting block, to do something radical in their old age is unlikely. They spent their whole lives living in a post-WWII consensus that no longer exists, except it their minds as they believe the present is similar to the past. It is not. I believe radical change, such as drastic spending cuts, may be more palatable to an electorate that is not clinging to a political dynamic that no longer exists.
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The thing about spending is that you can't cut it until the Boomers are no longer a voting base. Not just because they are unwilling to cut their own benefits - they aren't. It is because radical spending cuts are going to be ... radical. Getting the Boomer generation, which is still a huge and reliable voting block, to do something radical in their old age is unlikely. They spent their whole lives living in a post-WWII consensus that no longer exists, except it their minds as they believe the present is similar to the past. It is not. I believe radical change, such as drastic spending cuts, may be more palatable to an electorate that is not clinging to a political dynamic that no longer exists.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 14, 2025 11:45 AM (sX1BW)
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Epstein is not the issue; it's transparency, honesty, integrity, and trust ... which is significant component of what I voted for.
Posted by: ShainS -- Two Days To 'FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! Day' at July 14, 2025 11:45 AM (3qTJD)
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This Epstein "OMG, Trump betrayed us!" bullshit reminds me of the True Conservatives screaming last October:
"Trump has betrayed the pro-life movement! He refuses to support a federal ban on abortions!!"
It was a vile poison pill coated in pro-life rhetoric, the sole purpose was to kill the candidacy of the most pro-life President in history.
And usher in the most pro-abortion candidate in history.
But this time, this time for realz, they are honest dealers, merely seeking justice for the victims ....
"Trump has betrayed the pro-life movement! He refuses to support a federal ban on abortions!!"
It was a vile poison pill coated in pro-life rhetoric, the sole purpose was to kill the candidacy of the most pro-life President in history.
And usher in the most pro-abortion candidate in history.
But this time, this time for realz, they are honest dealers, merely seeking justice for the victims ....
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 11:45 AM (JThEY)
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Someone on the raydio mentioned that President Trump may be holding onto the Epstein list and stuff to use as leverage over the various sodomites, perverts, chomos and homosexuals he has to deal with like Lindsey Graham and Luap Dnar.
Makes sense.
Makes sense.
Posted by: Playing Hard Ball at July 14, 2025 11:45 AM (rfMRc)
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Some of these fucking nics....jeez...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (xcxpd)
Fuck you too buddy.
I mean, yours is the most fake of all time.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (xcxpd)
Fuck you too buddy.
I mean, yours is the most fake of all time.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 14, 2025 11:45 AM (bss/y)
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Then why the hell did Trump and Co. make such a big deal about it prior to the election?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 11:42 AM (KbCG3)
Because Trump is a fan of all the internet conspiracies just like many here. He promised the same with UFOs and JFK.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 11:42 AM (KbCG3)
Because Trump is a fan of all the internet conspiracies just like many here. He promised the same with UFOs and JFK.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:45 AM (VofaG)
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Did Trump make a big deal about Epstein?
I didn't watch many of his speeches, but I don't remember him ever mentioning it.
I could very easily be wrong about this, but Epstein never felt like any kind of theme of Trump's during the campaign.
I didn't watch many of his speeches, but I don't remember him ever mentioning it.
I could very easily be wrong about this, but Epstein never felt like any kind of theme of Trump's during the campaign.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:45 AM (GBKbO)
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That was kind of my thought.
"This funding of a research facility in MA-03 must be cut for my vote."
-Freedom Caucus member
Ah ok then we are in alignment! But TBH I hear pretty much no one in the right-o-sphere with this take.
"This funding of a research facility in MA-03 must be cut for my vote."
-Freedom Caucus member
Ah ok then we are in alignment! But TBH I hear pretty much no one in the right-o-sphere with this take.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:45 AM (t0Rmr)
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They want to run the country and they do not want interference, exposure, or accessibility. That is behind Jan 6, behind Epstein's murder and coverup, and pretty much every other scandal that matters.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:40 AM (xcxpd)
Exactly. This is all symptoms of the same disease -- the Deep State taking over the government and fucking over US citizens in the process of themselves and their people getting rich and powerful.
Now I imagine we'll soon be at the point where saying there is a "Deep State" is a crazy conspiracy theory, but the same type people involved in the Hunter Laptop disinformation campaign were involved in the Epstein situation.
Probably in some cases the exact same people.
They are openly and brazenly lying to the American people. There are no repercussions for it, and they continue to do so. So if you're pissed about the fake insurrection, then you should be equally pissed by the Ukraine Op or the Epstein Op, both carried out by the same types of people.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:40 AM (xcxpd)
Exactly. This is all symptoms of the same disease -- the Deep State taking over the government and fucking over US citizens in the process of themselves and their people getting rich and powerful.
Now I imagine we'll soon be at the point where saying there is a "Deep State" is a crazy conspiracy theory, but the same type people involved in the Hunter Laptop disinformation campaign were involved in the Epstein situation.
Probably in some cases the exact same people.
They are openly and brazenly lying to the American people. There are no repercussions for it, and they continue to do so. So if you're pissed about the fake insurrection, then you should be equally pissed by the Ukraine Op or the Epstein Op, both carried out by the same types of people.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:46 AM (uCjyK)
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if this is a conspiracy then its the most successful conspiracy with hundreds of conspirators who are enemies with each other otherwise.
a funny part to me in this dark saga though is Dershowitz's denials of participation.
he got massages but not massage massages.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:43 AM (VofaG)
*makes Call Me gesture to Dershowitz* I know a couple of places where gentlemen like us can go to unwind.
a funny part to me in this dark saga though is Dershowitz's denials of participation.
he got massages but not massage massages.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:43 AM (VofaG)
*makes Call Me gesture to Dershowitz* I know a couple of places where gentlemen like us can go to unwind.
Posted by: Robert Kraft at July 14, 2025 11:46 AM (wVcYX)
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142 72 Let’s say Epstein was primarily working for Mossad.
What would be the reaction of the American public if we found out that our staunch ally Israel was setting up an underage honeypot sex ring?
Slow down there Tucker.
Posted by: ADL at July 14, 2025 11:38 AM (stEYJ)
Along those lines, just different (but similar) culprit - what if Trump and his cabinet have decided it is not in US interests, at this time, to reveal that US intelligence agencies have been controlling, through blackmail, most European Governments for at least the last 20 years? And yes, a couple of them (Almost certainly the Brits) were in on it, too.
Not to mention the consequences of revealing that the US Government has been running an underage sex trafficking ring for decades.
What would be the reaction of the American public if we found out that our staunch ally Israel was setting up an underage honeypot sex ring?
Slow down there Tucker.
Posted by: ADL at July 14, 2025 11:38 AM (stEYJ)
Along those lines, just different (but similar) culprit - what if Trump and his cabinet have decided it is not in US interests, at this time, to reveal that US intelligence agencies have been controlling, through blackmail, most European Governments for at least the last 20 years? And yes, a couple of them (Almost certainly the Brits) were in on it, too.
Not to mention the consequences of revealing that the US Government has been running an underage sex trafficking ring for decades.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 14, 2025 11:46 AM (uWKK8)
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I suspect the List was what was already released: a list of flight logs and such.
What the SDNY got in their intentionally narrow in scope prosecution of Epstein when they raided his Manhattan residence. A social calendar, flight manifests, and his contacts.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:14 AM (GBKbO)
Yes, this. I repeat myself, but the List obsessives apparently think that Epstein kept a set of invoices naming each client and specifying the goods and services provided to each. Any real list isn't going to be more than the contact info and flight logs we already have.
The Epstein saga, on the Internet anyway, has gathered so many accretions that it's become essentially disconnected from reality and turned into a myth, partly because it's got something for everyone. The QAnon and Pizzagate people see it as proof of the elite child-trafficking ring--never mind the fact that Epstein and Maxwell were procuring underage but post-pubescent girls--i.e., disgusting but "traditional" prostitution; we're not talking about abducting five-year-olds from playgrounds, but grooming vulnerable young teenage girls. (1 of 1)
What the SDNY got in their intentionally narrow in scope prosecution of Epstein when they raided his Manhattan residence. A social calendar, flight manifests, and his contacts.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:14 AM (GBKbO)
Yes, this. I repeat myself, but the List obsessives apparently think that Epstein kept a set of invoices naming each client and specifying the goods and services provided to each. Any real list isn't going to be more than the contact info and flight logs we already have.
The Epstein saga, on the Internet anyway, has gathered so many accretions that it's become essentially disconnected from reality and turned into a myth, partly because it's got something for everyone. The QAnon and Pizzagate people see it as proof of the elite child-trafficking ring--never mind the fact that Epstein and Maxwell were procuring underage but post-pubescent girls--i.e., disgusting but "traditional" prostitution; we're not talking about abducting five-year-olds from playgrounds, but grooming vulnerable young teenage girls. (1 of 1)
Posted by: Wiese at July 14, 2025 11:46 AM (1pand)
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181 Did Trump make a big deal about Epstein?
I didn't watch many of his speeches, but I don't remember him ever mentioning it.
I could very easily be wrong about this, but Epstein never felt like any kind of theme of Trump's during the campaign.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:45 AM (GBKbO)
Yes, he spoke about it at rallies, and at length on Rogan and Theo Vons podcasts (and I'm sure in other places, that's where I happened to hear him talking about it.)
I didn't watch many of his speeches, but I don't remember him ever mentioning it.
I could very easily be wrong about this, but Epstein never felt like any kind of theme of Trump's during the campaign.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:45 AM (GBKbO)
Yes, he spoke about it at rallies, and at length on Rogan and Theo Vons podcasts (and I'm sure in other places, that's where I happened to hear him talking about it.)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:46 AM (uCjyK)
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A single 15-year-old, high-end hooker is a tragedy; 1,000 is a statistic.
Posted by: zombie joseph stalin -- suddenly MAGA at July 14, 2025 11:46 AM (2yoRf)
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Trump live, talking about the autopen scandal. That's going to end up pushing the Epstein horseshit off the front page. Whether people like it or not.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 14, 2025 11:47 AM (Q4IgG)
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Then how did they convict him, and why did somone unalive him?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:38 AM (Riz8t)
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Who convicted him? He was never convicted of anything. He pleaded to reduced charges in FL. That's it.
Fair enough. He was indicted in NY. That's why he was in jail there.
Jeffrey Epstein was in jail in New York because he was indicted on federal charges of sex trafficking and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:38 AM (Riz8t)
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Who convicted him? He was never convicted of anything. He pleaded to reduced charges in FL. That's it.
Fair enough. He was indicted in NY. That's why he was in jail there.
Jeffrey Epstein was in jail in New York because he was indicted on federal charges of sex trafficking and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:47 AM (Riz8t)
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Our Favorite President(tm) live now with the NATO guy:
https://is.gd/jkF3Ov
Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 11:40 AM (IS8kY)
Trump just absolutely ripped the Biden junta’s use of the autopen. I enjoy when he goes nuclear like that; named names including someone who worked for Biden named “Lisa” if I heard him correctly. Who’s that?
https://is.gd/jkF3Ov
Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 11:40 AM (IS8kY)
Trump just absolutely ripped the Biden junta’s use of the autopen. I enjoy when he goes nuclear like that; named names including someone who worked for Biden named “Lisa” if I heard him correctly. Who’s that?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 14, 2025 11:47 AM (P/Wjn)
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182 Ah ok then we are in alignment! But TBH I hear pretty much no one in the right-o-sphere with this take.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:45 AM (t0Rmr)
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I came to the thought when I wondered what Massie should have done on the Rules Committee.
Be like a reverse Ron Paul. Get specific cuts in and then vote against the whole bill because it's bad while being able to point to the cuts for his base.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:45 AM (t0Rmr)
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I came to the thought when I wondered what Massie should have done on the Rules Committee.
Be like a reverse Ron Paul. Get specific cuts in and then vote against the whole bill because it's bad while being able to point to the cuts for his base.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:47 AM (GBKbO)
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163 if this is a conspiracy then its the most successful conspiracy with hundreds of conspirators who are enemies with each other otherwise.
a funny part to me in this dark saga though is Dershowitz's denials of participation.
he got massages but not massage massages.
Posted by: polynikes
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Yep but he managed to get Giuffre to shut up about it legally.
a funny part to me in this dark saga though is Dershowitz's denials of participation.
he got massages but not massage massages.
Posted by: polynikes
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Yep but he managed to get Giuffre to shut up about it legally.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2025 11:47 AM (ctrM5)
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@146
>>We need to know who was running this Op, how infiltrated and blackmailed our institutions are, and how common these kinds of Ops are.
We know from the bits and pieces of data points that Epstein's schemes involved people from Wall Street, Academia, Politics, Tech, the f**ker was blackmailing everybody.
Again, we need to find out how a math teacher hired by Bill Barr's dad became a wall street big shot, to hob knobbing with the creme de la creme of the elite, all the while running an international underage prostitution and child **** ring that apparently trafficked to nobody.
The whole idea that this is distracting the administration from doing other sh*t is laughable.
There are 38k FBI employees and 116k DOJ employees, so this bullshit about not having the resources to devote to this is stupid.
>>We need to know who was running this Op, how infiltrated and blackmailed our institutions are, and how common these kinds of Ops are.
We know from the bits and pieces of data points that Epstein's schemes involved people from Wall Street, Academia, Politics, Tech, the f**ker was blackmailing everybody.
Again, we need to find out how a math teacher hired by Bill Barr's dad became a wall street big shot, to hob knobbing with the creme de la creme of the elite, all the while running an international underage prostitution and child **** ring that apparently trafficked to nobody.
The whole idea that this is distracting the administration from doing other sh*t is laughable.
There are 38k FBI employees and 116k DOJ employees, so this bullshit about not having the resources to devote to this is stupid.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2025 11:47 AM (XV/Pl)
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188 A single 15-year-old, high-end hooker is a tragedy; 1,000 is a statistic.
Posted by: zombie joseph stalin -- suddenly MAGA at July 14, 2025 11:46 AM (2yoRf)
Where did I leave that Wilt Chamberlain sock....
Posted by: zombie joseph stalin -- suddenly MAGA at July 14, 2025 11:46 AM (2yoRf)
Where did I leave that Wilt Chamberlain sock....
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2025 11:47 AM (VoAdT)
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We were on our way to Eating Ze Bugs!
For real.
They were trying to get rid of all animal meat.
Thank Christ we have Donald Trump.
We were on our way to Eating Ze Bugs!
For real.
They were trying to get rid of all animal meat.
Thank Christ we have Donald Trump.
Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 11:48 AM (IS8kY)
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>>> My wife took my son to CostCo and he was able to buy 36 beers for less than a dollar each. Future Leader was shocked and pleased.
this is the kind of good news voters want to hear going into the midterms
this is the kind of good news voters want to hear going into the midterms
Posted by: brak at July 14, 2025 11:48 AM (jGJov)
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The mort were informers until their usefulness also expired. Period. The active & outright underhanded are government.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 14, 2025 11:48 AM (NFX2v)
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We need to know who was running this Op, how infiltrated and blackmailed our institutions are, and how common these kinds of Ops are.
We need a 21st Century Church Committee on this. This should be a huge deal.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:39 AM (uCjyK)
Assume all of these fuck wads are corrupt as Lucifer. That is the point of limiting governmental power.
Two, I have a real problem giving immunity to child sexual predators.
We need a 21st Century Church Committee on this. This should be a huge deal.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:39 AM (uCjyK)
Assume all of these fuck wads are corrupt as Lucifer. That is the point of limiting governmental power.
Two, I have a real problem giving immunity to child sexual predators.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 14, 2025 11:48 AM (bss/y)
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I came to the thought when I wondered what Massie should have done on the Rules Committee.
Be like a reverse Ron Paul. Get specific cuts in and then vote against the whole bill because it's bad while being able to point to the cuts for his base.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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But where is the 'principles' in that. Massie is simply Justin Amash part deux. And taking up with Christine Pushaw so soon after his wife died ain't helping him in his district.
Be like a reverse Ron Paul. Get specific cuts in and then vote against the whole bill because it's bad while being able to point to the cuts for his base.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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But where is the 'principles' in that. Massie is simply Justin Amash part deux. And taking up with Christine Pushaw so soon after his wife died ain't helping him in his district.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2025 11:49 AM (ctrM5)
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[i189 Trump live, talking about the autopen scandal. That's going to end up pushing the Epstein horseshit off the front page. Whether people like it or not.
it fucking well should!!!
Fair enough. He was indicted in NY. That's why he was in jail there.
oh sure and that's not hinky at all, he simply MUST be guilty. and what a coincidence! he died in the state of NYs system!
it fucking well should!!!
Fair enough. He was indicted in NY. That's why he was in jail there.
oh sure and that's not hinky at all, he simply MUST be guilty. and what a coincidence! he died in the state of NYs system!
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 11:49 AM (Pv3Rg)
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a funny part to me in this dark saga though is Dershowitz's denials of participation.
he got massages but not massage massages.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:43 AM (VofaG)
*makes Call Me gesture to Dershowitz* I know a couple of places where gentlemen like us can go to unwind.
Posted by: Robert Kraft
It wasn't a massage. There was no happy ending!
he got massages but not massage massages.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:43 AM (VofaG)
*makes Call Me gesture to Dershowitz* I know a couple of places where gentlemen like us can go to unwind.
Posted by: Robert Kraft
It wasn't a massage. There was no happy ending!
Posted by: Gov. Chuck Robb at July 14, 2025 11:49 AM (Riz8t)
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named names including someone who worked for Biden named “Lisa” if I heard him correctly. Who’s that?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
I think she's one of the three people who were named recently as the top aides who were *really* the defacto President.
named names including someone who worked for Biden named “Lisa” if I heard him correctly. Who’s that?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
I think she's one of the three people who were named recently as the top aides who were *really* the defacto President.
Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 11:50 AM (IS8kY)
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That should have been (1 of several). Anyway:
The scattered testimony we've heard from Epstein's victims shows us a repulsive prostitution ring, but also reveals that it's not the lurid, slaves-chained-in-basement stuff that so much of the rhetoric makes it sound like. Girls who wouldn't service Jeffrey were dismissed from the island, not held there in secret dungeons or fed to alligators. It was essentially the same type of stuff that goes on in Hollywood or in the music industry; tying it to Pizzagate and Qanon is a deliberate or accidental blurring of the lines which helps no one.
The scattered testimony we've heard from Epstein's victims shows us a repulsive prostitution ring, but also reveals that it's not the lurid, slaves-chained-in-basement stuff that so much of the rhetoric makes it sound like. Girls who wouldn't service Jeffrey were dismissed from the island, not held there in secret dungeons or fed to alligators. It was essentially the same type of stuff that goes on in Hollywood or in the music industry; tying it to Pizzagate and Qanon is a deliberate or accidental blurring of the lines which helps no one.
Posted by: Wiese at July 14, 2025 11:50 AM (1pand)
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189 Trump live, talking about the autopen scandal. That's going to end up pushing the Epstein horseshit off the front page. Whether people like it or not.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 14, 2025 11:47 AM (Q4IgG)
I'm not certain, but i'm thinking that if it would, it would have already.
"Hey maybe we never actually had a real president and it was just a bunch of humps you never heard of wielding supreme executive authority?"
Most people were pretty much just assuming that was the case, whatever color tie they root for. Proving it ain't even going to make the needle wiggle.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 14, 2025 11:47 AM (Q4IgG)
I'm not certain, but i'm thinking that if it would, it would have already.
"Hey maybe we never actually had a real president and it was just a bunch of humps you never heard of wielding supreme executive authority?"
Most people were pretty much just assuming that was the case, whatever color tie they root for. Proving it ain't even going to make the needle wiggle.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2025 11:50 AM (VoAdT)
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Thanks, Buck. Nice write up.
Posted by: scampydog at July 14, 2025 11:51 AM (2bFN5)
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I suspect the List was what was already released: a list of flight logs and such.
What the SDNY got in their intentionally narrow in scope prosecution of Epstein when they raided his Manhattan residence. A social calendar, flight manifests, and his contacts.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:14 AM (GBKbO)
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Basically, what anyone who raided anyone's home would get: a bunch of crap that proves nothing. There are probably thousands of people on his contacts, from his driver to his dentist to his drug dealers to his booty calls to his mother to his gym membership relation manager. He was a major player in NY social and political circles. Probably every politician and wall street heavy hitter is in his contacts.
What the SDNY got in their intentionally narrow in scope prosecution of Epstein when they raided his Manhattan residence. A social calendar, flight manifests, and his contacts.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:14 AM (GBKbO)
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Basically, what anyone who raided anyone's home would get: a bunch of crap that proves nothing. There are probably thousands of people on his contacts, from his driver to his dentist to his drug dealers to his booty calls to his mother to his gym membership relation manager. He was a major player in NY social and political circles. Probably every politician and wall street heavy hitter is in his contacts.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 11:51 AM (iFTx/)
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@121/TheJamesMadison: "*throws in Escape from LA love*"
John Carpenter's "Ghosts of Mars" has entered the chat.
John Carpenter's "Ghosts of Mars" has entered the chat.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at July 14, 2025 11:51 AM (O7YUW)
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Then how did they convict him, and why did somone unalive him?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:38 AM (Riz8t)
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Who convicted him? He was never convicted of anything. He pleaded to reduced charges in FL. That's it.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade
He was never convicted because he died in his jail cell before his trial.
Federal charges for sex trafficking - July 6, 2019.
Died - August 10, 2019.
So he was arrested on federal charges of sex trafficking of minors in Florida and New York to NO ONE.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:38 AM (Riz8t)
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Who convicted him? He was never convicted of anything. He pleaded to reduced charges in FL. That's it.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade
He was never convicted because he died in his jail cell before his trial.
Federal charges for sex trafficking - July 6, 2019.
Died - August 10, 2019.
So he was arrested on federal charges of sex trafficking of minors in Florida and New York to NO ONE.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 11:51 AM (+bLMA)
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And I really don't like the, "but why did Trump get mad at those just asking questions?"
Hey, maybe, just maybe, he's a moment of exasperation at knowing the whole story, knowing there will be no real justice, and knowing that this is all a FUD op by the left?
And how about, after the win after win after win after win etc. Trump has delivered--as promised--this, this bullshit* is THE TOPIC of the day?
*the outrage, not the crimes, tbc.
Hey, maybe, just maybe, he's a moment of exasperation at knowing the whole story, knowing there will be no real justice, and knowing that this is all a FUD op by the left?
And how about, after the win after win after win after win etc. Trump has delivered--as promised--this, this bullshit* is THE TOPIC of the day?
*the outrage, not the crimes, tbc.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 11:51 AM (JThEY)
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So let's look at the potential answers behind the Epstein stuff, in no particular order
1) There was no big conspiracy it was Epstein, Maxwell, Lexner and maybe a few unimportant "friends" like Prince Andrew
2) This was a honeypot/child sex trafficking operation and all the elites, including Trump, were involved
3) This was a honeypot/child sex trafficking operation and most of the elites, not including Trump, were involved. But now Trump has cut some kind of deal to get some of his agenda in return for letting it go
4) This was a honeypot/child sex trafficking operation and most of the elites, not including Trump, were involved. But Trump doesn't really care because it would be a lot of work to expose and Bondi is following his lead.
Those are your four options. I think #1 is impossible based on what we know. I think #2 is impossible because the Junta would have used it in late '24 to defeat Trump.
And both #3 and #4 are bad.
1) There was no big conspiracy it was Epstein, Maxwell, Lexner and maybe a few unimportant "friends" like Prince Andrew
2) This was a honeypot/child sex trafficking operation and all the elites, including Trump, were involved
3) This was a honeypot/child sex trafficking operation and most of the elites, not including Trump, were involved. But now Trump has cut some kind of deal to get some of his agenda in return for letting it go
4) This was a honeypot/child sex trafficking operation and most of the elites, not including Trump, were involved. But Trump doesn't really care because it would be a lot of work to expose and Bondi is following his lead.
Those are your four options. I think #1 is impossible based on what we know. I think #2 is impossible because the Junta would have used it in late '24 to defeat Trump.
And both #3 and #4 are bad.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:51 AM (t0Rmr)
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187 Yes, he spoke about it at rallies, and at length on Rogan and Theo Vons podcasts (and I'm sure in other places, that's where I happened to hear him talking about it.)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:46 AM (uCjyK)
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Apparently, at least one aspect of this is outright false:
He never mentioned Epstein on Rogan:
https://x.com/NYMag/status/
1850204748969840902
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:46 AM (uCjyK)
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Apparently, at least one aspect of this is outright false:
He never mentioned Epstein on Rogan:
https://x.com/NYMag/status/
1850204748969840902
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:52 AM (GBKbO)
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Some of these fucking nics....jeez...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (xcxpd)
Fuck you too buddy.
I mean, yours is the most fake of all time.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
lol
Some of these fucking nics....jeez...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 14, 2025 11:27 AM (xcxpd)
Fuck you too buddy.
I mean, yours is the most fake of all time.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
lol
Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 11:52 AM (IS8kY)
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There are 38k FBI employees and 116k DOJ employees, so this bullshit about not having the resources to devote to this is stupid.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2025 11:47 AM (XV/Pl)
Agreed. hell, they could have RICO'ed everyone who worked for or spent any time with Epstein if they wanted to. But they did not want to, oddly.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2025 11:47 AM (XV/Pl)
Agreed. hell, they could have RICO'ed everyone who worked for or spent any time with Epstein if they wanted to. But they did not want to, oddly.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:52 AM (uCjyK)
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207 Basically, what anyone who raided anyone's home would get: a bunch of crap that proves nothing. There are probably thousands of people on his contacts, from his driver to his dentist to his drug dealers to his booty calls to his mother to his gym membership relation manager. He was a major player in NY social and political circles. Probably every politician and wall street heavy hitter is in his contacts.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 11:51 AM (iFTx/)
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Listen, man, the only way the plumber got into Epstein's place was through kompromat.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 11:51 AM (iFTx/)
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Listen, man, the only way the plumber got into Epstein's place was through kompromat.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:53 AM (GBKbO)
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Trump live, talking about the autopen scandal. That's going to end up pushing the Epstein horseshit off the front page. Whether people like it or not.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
Autopen scandal. Nothing will happen. Business as usual.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
Autopen scandal. Nothing will happen. Business as usual.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 11:53 AM (+bLMA)
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208 @121/TheJamesMadison: "*throws in Escape from LA love*"
John Carpenter's "Ghosts of Mars" has entered the chat.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at July 14, 2025 11:51 AM (O7YUW)
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Nah. Ghosts of Mars is trash.
John Carpenter's "Ghosts of Mars" has entered the chat.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at July 14, 2025 11:51 AM (O7YUW)
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Nah. Ghosts of Mars is trash.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:53 AM (GBKbO)
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We need to know who was running this Op, how infiltrated and blackmailed our institutions are, and how common these kinds of Ops are.
We need a 21st Century Church Committee on this. This should be a huge deal.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:39 AM (uCjyK)
This will never be done, ever. And it doesn't matter who the president is. There are some things that will never be truly revealed. Get used to it.
We need a 21st Century Church Committee on this. This should be a huge deal.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:39 AM (uCjyK)
This will never be done, ever. And it doesn't matter who the president is. There are some things that will never be truly revealed. Get used to it.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at July 14, 2025 11:53 AM (g8Ew8)
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Britain is in no way our ally, and its time we update our foreign policy to recognize this.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:33 AM (t0Rmr)
Britan was conquered by islam and is wearing it's meat suit.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:33 AM (t0Rmr)
Britan was conquered by islam and is wearing it's meat suit.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 14, 2025 11:53 AM (snZF9)
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Wolfus is home and resting comfortably. He appreciates all the prayers and well wishes from earlier. Stirling and Dagny are happy to have back.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 14, 2025 11:54 AM (omVj0)
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Posted by: Wiese at July 14, 2025 11:50 AM (1pand)
Barney Frank actually had a homo escort service run out of his home where certainly there were underage boys for their chicken hawk clients.
He continued to be a powerful Congressman.
Barney Frank actually had a homo escort service run out of his home where certainly there were underage boys for their chicken hawk clients.
He continued to be a powerful Congressman.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:54 AM (VofaG)
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Ghost of Mars is a good movie.
Ghost of Mars is a good movie.
Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 11:54 AM (IS8kY)
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When there's a video, there's a problem. When there's no video, there's no problem.
Posted by: zombie joseph stalin -- suddenly MAGA at July 14, 2025 11:54 AM (2yoRf)
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199 We need to know who was running this Op, how infiltrated and blackmailed our institutions are, and how common these kinds of Ops are.
We need a 21st Century Church Committee on this. This should be a huge deal.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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More than we need one for NSA and CIA effectively spying on all our private communications? Violating the 4th Amendment? Targeting political opponents via FISA and foreign 5 eyes?
Basically, the US since WWII and the Cold War, has institutionalized a shadow state where the ordinary rules of "Gentlemen Do Not Read Other's People's Mail (future and past Sec. of War Stinson when defunding signal intercepts)"
So where do we pick our battles?
What about Chicoms penetrating our infrastructure and computers, what about existing victims of human trafficking by the cartels in every damn city of the US, what about states and communities actively resisting federal immigration laws, and so on.
We need a 21st Century Church Committee on this. This should be a huge deal.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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More than we need one for NSA and CIA effectively spying on all our private communications? Violating the 4th Amendment? Targeting political opponents via FISA and foreign 5 eyes?
Basically, the US since WWII and the Cold War, has institutionalized a shadow state where the ordinary rules of "Gentlemen Do Not Read Other's People's Mail (future and past Sec. of War Stinson when defunding signal intercepts)"
So where do we pick our battles?
What about Chicoms penetrating our infrastructure and computers, what about existing victims of human trafficking by the cartels in every damn city of the US, what about states and communities actively resisting federal immigration laws, and so on.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2025 11:54 AM (ctrM5)
Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 11:55 AM (IS8kY)
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Then how did they convict him, and why did somone unalive him?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:38 AM (Riz8t)
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Who convicted him? He was never convicted of anything. He pleaded to reduced charges in FL. That's it.
Fair enough. He was indicted in NY. That's why he was in jail there.
Jeffrey Epstein was in jail in New York because he was indicted on federal charges of sex trafficking and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:47 AM (Riz8t)
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Yes, he was indicted in NYC, for alleged crimes from the 2000s era. He died before the trial. Maxwell was later convicted of sex trafficking after he was dead. She's appealing that, and could win.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:38 AM (Riz8t)
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Who convicted him? He was never convicted of anything. He pleaded to reduced charges in FL. That's it.
Fair enough. He was indicted in NY. That's why he was in jail there.
Jeffrey Epstein was in jail in New York because he was indicted on federal charges of sex trafficking and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 11:47 AM (Riz8t)
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Yes, he was indicted in NYC, for alleged crimes from the 2000s era. He died before the trial. Maxwell was later convicted of sex trafficking after he was dead. She's appealing that, and could win.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 11:55 AM (iFTx/)
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Apparently, at least one aspect of this is outright false:
He never mentioned Epstein on Rogan:
https://x.com/NYMag/status/
1850204748969840902
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:52 AM (GBKbO)
I could be mistaken about that, I suppose, and I'm not about to re-listen to a 3 hour podcast. But I definitely heard Trump on at least one of the podcasts I listened to prior to the election talking about Epstein.
He never mentioned Epstein on Rogan:
https://x.com/NYMag/status/
1850204748969840902
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:52 AM (GBKbO)
I could be mistaken about that, I suppose, and I'm not about to re-listen to a 3 hour podcast. But I definitely heard Trump on at least one of the podcasts I listened to prior to the election talking about Epstein.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:55 AM (uCjyK)
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I see the Epstein files as more of a "want" than anything.
If I had to choose where to put resources, I'd choose the DOJ go hard after current child trafficking which took place under Biden. Epstein Island is no longer in operation. Anything which comes out now may not be usable in a court of law.
However, child sex and work slavery? Let's go hard after that and see who we catch. There may very well be some crossover between Epstein and children being trafficked during the Biden administration.
If I had to choose where to put resources, I'd choose the DOJ go hard after current child trafficking which took place under Biden. Epstein Island is no longer in operation. Anything which comes out now may not be usable in a court of law.
However, child sex and work slavery? Let's go hard after that and see who we catch. There may very well be some crossover between Epstein and children being trafficked during the Biden administration.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 11:55 AM (tT6L1)
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I know a couple of places where gentlemen like us can go to unwind.
Posted by: Robert Kraft
Best place is Strokie Dokie in the Three Palms Strip Center near the I-95 off ramp. 10% off if you use cash.
Posted by: Robert Kraft
Best place is Strokie Dokie in the Three Palms Strip Center near the I-95 off ramp. 10% off if you use cash.
Posted by: Al Gore, Getting One Rubbed Out Now at July 14, 2025 11:56 AM (rfMRc)
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227 I could be mistaken about that, I suppose, and I'm not about to re-listen to a 3 hour podcast. But I definitely heard Trump on at least one of the podcasts I listened to prior to the election talking about Epstein.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:55 AM (uCjyK)
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He talked a lot about immigration, about Sleepy Joe, about how dumb Kamala is.
I really don't think he talked about Epstein much, and if he mentioned it a few times, it was obviously not a major theme of his campaign.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:55 AM (uCjyK)
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He talked a lot about immigration, about Sleepy Joe, about how dumb Kamala is.
I really don't think he talked about Epstein much, and if he mentioned it a few times, it was obviously not a major theme of his campaign.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:56 AM (GBKbO)
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:52 AM (GBKbO)
Maybe I was thinking of the Lex Friedman interview. Here's a short clip:
https://tinyurl.com/2xxavwmt
Maybe I was thinking of the Lex Friedman interview. Here's a short clip:
https://tinyurl.com/2xxavwmt
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:56 AM (uCjyK)
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what happened to Wolfus?!?!
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 11:56 AM (Pv3Rg)
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btw, re: Bongino
Is he a fucking imbecile? Why on earth would he be upset over this?
I don't believe it, btw. I don't believe the rumor about him wanting to quit over Bondi. Because it's so incredibly stupid, and I don't think he's stupid.
btw, re: Bongino
Is he a fucking imbecile? Why on earth would he be upset over this?
I don't believe it, btw. I don't believe the rumor about him wanting to quit over Bondi. Because it's so incredibly stupid, and I don't think he's stupid.
Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 11:58 AM (IS8kY)
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Continued again (3). Epstein gives rise to myths because there is something for everyone in his story. To normie conservatives, it's proof that creeps like the Clintons and Bill Gates are not just bad people, but Satanic cultists. To leftists, it's proof that rich people are evil, most specifically Drumpf! To the antisemites, it's proof that Israel controls all Western politicians through sexual blackmail. The connecting thread is that all these people seem Epstein as a magic bullet who exposure can be used to take down The Real Villains once and for all; the people who think this way have seen way too many movies. The truth, I think, is more mundane; he was a high-rolling pimp, nothing more--not a pedophile supplier, Satanist, Mossad agent, or whatever other image people projected on to him. It's disturbing that so many people refuse to let go of this mythos and pay attention to reality, whether it's Vox Day insisting that Trump has been replaced by a double, Musk denouncing Trump as a pedophile, or the commenters here complaining loudly about some imagined betrayal.
Posted by: Wiese at July 14, 2025 11:58 AM (1pand)
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231 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:52 AM (GBKbO)
Maybe I was thinking of the Lex Friedman interview. Here's a short clip:
https://tinyurl.com/2xxavwmt
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:56 AM (uCjyK)
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In a September interview with podcaster Lex Fridman, Trump reiterated his openness to releasing these documents if he returned to the White House, saying, "I'd have no problem with it," and adding that he would "certainly take a look at it" if given the opportunity.
This is not a major theme of his campaign.
Maybe I was thinking of the Lex Friedman interview. Here's a short clip:
https://tinyurl.com/2xxavwmt
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:56 AM (uCjyK)
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In a September interview with podcaster Lex Fridman, Trump reiterated his openness to releasing these documents if he returned to the White House, saying, "I'd have no problem with it," and adding that he would "certainly take a look at it" if given the opportunity.
This is not a major theme of his campaign.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:58 AM (GBKbO)
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Best place is Strokie Dokie in the Three Palms Strip Center near the I-95 off ramp. 10% off if you use cash.
At one company I worked at I started going out to lunch with my leftist cow-workers.
One time on the way home they started talking about the best Asian rub and tugs in the area. Note I was the only single guy in the group.
But...they'd also tell you how they were feminists and all that rah-rah corporate crap...
At one company I worked at I started going out to lunch with my leftist cow-workers.
One time on the way home they started talking about the best Asian rub and tugs in the area. Note I was the only single guy in the group.
But...they'd also tell you how they were feminists and all that rah-rah corporate crap...
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:58 AM (t0Rmr)
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How come no one is mad that nothing came out of the promises to release the JFK info and the UFO info?
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:59 AM (VofaG)
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Epstein died in August 2019. Trump was President.
Investigation and Review of the Federal Bureau of Prisons' Custody, Care, and Supervision of Jeffrey Epstein at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York, New York
Investigation Division 23-085
June 2023
I wanna know more about the deaths of several J named individuals: Jimmy Hoffa, James "Whitey" Bulger, President John F. Kennedy, and more. From my experience, that's not happening.
Investigation and Review of the Federal Bureau of Prisons' Custody, Care, and Supervision of Jeffrey Epstein at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York, New York
Investigation Division 23-085
June 2023
I wanna know more about the deaths of several J named individuals: Jimmy Hoffa, James "Whitey" Bulger, President John F. Kennedy, and more. From my experience, that's not happening.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 14, 2025 11:59 AM (NFX2v)
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If there's never was any evidence of criminal behavior beyond what's already public, then it makes no sense for Epstein to either kill himself or be killed.
If there is more evidence than what's already public, then *that evidence is what people who care about the "list" care about.*
If you don't think there's any evidence beyond what is already public, provide an explanation for the course of events that makes sense of things that we know happened, like Epstein's death.
If there is more evidence than what's already public, then *that evidence is what people who care about the "list" care about.*
If you don't think there's any evidence beyond what is already public, provide an explanation for the course of events that makes sense of things that we know happened, like Epstein's death.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 14, 2025 11:59 AM (B9Prs)
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More than we need one for NSA and CIA effectively spying on all our private communications? Violating the 4th Amendment? Targeting political opponents via FISA and foreign 5 eyes?
Basically, the US since WWII and the Cold War, has institutionalized a shadow state where the ordinary rules of "Gentlemen Do Not Read Other's People's Mail (future and past Sec. of War Stinson when defunding signal intercepts)"
So where do we pick our battles?
What about Chicoms penetrating our infrastructure and computers, what about existing victims of human trafficking by the cartels in every damn city of the US, what about states and communities actively resisting federal immigration laws, and so on.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2025 11:54 AM (ctrM5)
I think it's all fair game.
I also think it's all multiple sides of the same coin. I think people seamlessly move from academia to government to the intel agencies to biglaw firms to seats on boards of directors.
Is there nothing to be done about that? We just accept that this is the way of the world? And if so, why even pretend to vote? Let the "experts" run the country and the "elites" do their corruption, graft and whatever it is they do...
Basically, the US since WWII and the Cold War, has institutionalized a shadow state where the ordinary rules of "Gentlemen Do Not Read Other's People's Mail (future and past Sec. of War Stinson when defunding signal intercepts)"
So where do we pick our battles?
What about Chicoms penetrating our infrastructure and computers, what about existing victims of human trafficking by the cartels in every damn city of the US, what about states and communities actively resisting federal immigration laws, and so on.
Posted by: whig at July 14, 2025 11:54 AM (ctrM5)
I think it's all fair game.
I also think it's all multiple sides of the same coin. I think people seamlessly move from academia to government to the intel agencies to biglaw firms to seats on boards of directors.
Is there nothing to be done about that? We just accept that this is the way of the world? And if so, why even pretend to vote? Let the "experts" run the country and the "elites" do their corruption, graft and whatever it is they do...
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:59 AM (uCjyK)
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I sort of like Escape from LA. Especially the ending. The two scenes I hate worst are the basketball thing and the surfing Snake scene.
Beyond that, I like it.
Never saw Ghosts of Mars.
Beyond that, I like it.
Never saw Ghosts of Mars.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 14, 2025 12:00 PM (bss/y)
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good comments, Wiese
the lie that tells the truth ... that's the narrative
to the Left it's far more important and even more true than reality
so they wield it constantly, like they breathe. it's not even conscious lying. just endless manipulation to their benefit, because why not.
the lie that tells the truth ... that's the narrative
to the Left it's far more important and even more true than reality
so they wield it constantly, like they breathe. it's not even conscious lying. just endless manipulation to their benefit, because why not.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 14, 2025 12:00 PM (Pv3Rg)
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It’s not either or
I want Trump to do his thing AND I want the Epstein files to be released and all the people prosecuted.
Why is this so hard?
I want Trump to do his thing AND I want the Epstein files to be released and all the people prosecuted.
Why is this so hard?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 14, 2025 12:00 PM (ImXfC)
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Wolfus had his surgery this morning. It was routine and uncomplicated. He should be moving around in a couple of days.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 14, 2025 12:00 PM (omVj0)
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>>I could be mistaken about that, I suppose, and I'm not about to re-listen to a 3 hour podcast. But I definitely heard Trump on at least one of the podcasts I listened to prior to the election talking about Epstein.
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Bear in mind that these podcasters themselves are notorious lovers of conspiracy theories. Their audiences thrive on them. Fielding questions from podcasters is a far cry from implying that Trump made the Epstein issue a prominent campaign plank.
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Bear in mind that these podcasters themselves are notorious lovers of conspiracy theories. Their audiences thrive on them. Fielding questions from podcasters is a far cry from implying that Trump made the Epstein issue a prominent campaign plank.
Posted by: Frasier Crane at July 14, 2025 12:00 PM (bNf8H)
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For every criminal there is at least 1 victim. In the case of Epstein a lot if not most of his victims were children when the abuse happened. They are now adults, some with probably familes of their own.
After years of dealing with this stuff some of them might now want the past dragged up, not want their families to hear about this stuff. It could be as simple as that.
There are any number of reasons that Trump wants to put this issue to be right now. Trump has earned my trust to make decisions he thinks are in the best interest of the country and the people involved. As much as we think we've been through none of us has remotely gone through what Trump and his family have gone through at the hands of deep state criminals. He's not afraid of them, he's proven that.
I'd like to know what if any other connections Epstein had other than what I know already but I'm not going to trash Trump over this. He's delivered and continues to deliver things that are going to make my and my family's lives better for years to come. I'll give him the benefit on the doubt on this.
After years of dealing with this stuff some of them might now want the past dragged up, not want their families to hear about this stuff. It could be as simple as that.
There are any number of reasons that Trump wants to put this issue to be right now. Trump has earned my trust to make decisions he thinks are in the best interest of the country and the people involved. As much as we think we've been through none of us has remotely gone through what Trump and his family have gone through at the hands of deep state criminals. He's not afraid of them, he's proven that.
I'd like to know what if any other connections Epstein had other than what I know already but I'm not going to trash Trump over this. He's delivered and continues to deliver things that are going to make my and my family's lives better for years to come. I'll give him the benefit on the doubt on this.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2025 12:00 PM (viF8m)
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How come no one is mad that nothing came out of the promises to release the JFK info and the UFO info?
Well the UFO stuff has always, always been something the US government uses to distract people and cover up its new high tech weapons.
Remember in the 80s when people in the midwest reported flying wing craft that were silent and didn't show up on radar? The FNM response to that was...ALIENS ARE REAL!!! Because their government sources told them so. And it worked great to hide information on stealth tech didn't it?
I expect it is in overdrive now with drone tech experiments as well
Well the UFO stuff has always, always been something the US government uses to distract people and cover up its new high tech weapons.
Remember in the 80s when people in the midwest reported flying wing craft that were silent and didn't show up on radar? The FNM response to that was...ALIENS ARE REAL!!! Because their government sources told them so. And it worked great to hide information on stealth tech didn't it?
I expect it is in overdrive now with drone tech experiments as well
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 12:01 PM (t0Rmr)
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227 I could be mistaken about that, I suppose, and I'm not about to re-listen to a 3 hour podcast. But I definitely heard Trump on at least one of the podcasts I listened to prior to the election talking about Epstein.
could be a cheapfake. or the mandala effect. or n-dimensional chess.
could be a cheapfake. or the mandala effect. or n-dimensional chess.
Posted by: anachronda at July 14, 2025 12:01 PM (v3pYe)
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I could be mistaken about that, I suppose, and I'm not about to re-listen to a 3 hour podcast. But I definitely heard Trump on at least one of the podcasts I listened to prior to the election talking about Epstein.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:55 AM (uCjyK)
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He talked a lot about immigration, about Sleepy Joe, about how dumb Kamala is.
I really don't think he talked about Epstein much, and if he mentioned it a few times, it was obviously not a major theme of his campaign.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:56 AM (GBKbO)
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I think people are confusing what Trump said pre-election about Epstein with what people like Bongi were saying. I don't remember Trump saying much about Epstein at all. I could be wrong.
But I do remember people like Bongi -- who were private citizens looking for likes and hits and attention -- making a big deal about it.
So I do understand people's frustrations when the same people screeching about Epstein then are now poo-pooing it. But I don't think Trump is one of them.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 11:55 AM (uCjyK)
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He talked a lot about immigration, about Sleepy Joe, about how dumb Kamala is.
I really don't think he talked about Epstein much, and if he mentioned it a few times, it was obviously not a major theme of his campaign.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:56 AM (GBKbO)
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I think people are confusing what Trump said pre-election about Epstein with what people like Bongi were saying. I don't remember Trump saying much about Epstein at all. I could be wrong.
But I do remember people like Bongi -- who were private citizens looking for likes and hits and attention -- making a big deal about it.
So I do understand people's frustrations when the same people screeching about Epstein then are now poo-pooing it. But I don't think Trump is one of them.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 12:01 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: Sherlock Soothsayer at July 14, 2025 12:01 PM (IS8kY)
Posted by: Elderly Git at July 14, 2025 12:01 PM (1yfci)
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It's not the people who bang teen hookers that count. It's the people who count the teen-hookers.
Posted by: zombie joseph stalin -- suddenly MAGA at July 14, 2025 12:01 PM (2yoRf)
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249 I think people are confusing what Trump said pre-election about Epstein with what people like Bongi were saying. I don't remember Trump saying much about Epstein at all. I could be wrong.
But I do remember people like Bongi -- who were private citizens looking for likes and hits and attention -- making a big deal about it.
So I do understand people's frustrations when the same people screeching about Epstein then are now poo-pooing it. But I don't think Trump is one of them.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 12:01 PM (iFTx/)
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People chasing clicks on social media were harping on something? And Trump won the election?
Must mean that these social media influencers have such influence over the populace, I guess.
But I do remember people like Bongi -- who were private citizens looking for likes and hits and attention -- making a big deal about it.
So I do understand people's frustrations when the same people screeching about Epstein then are now poo-pooing it. But I don't think Trump is one of them.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 12:01 PM (iFTx/)
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People chasing clicks on social media were harping on something? And Trump won the election?
Must mean that these social media influencers have such influence over the populace, I guess.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 12:02 PM (GBKbO)
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221 Posted by: Wiese at July 14, 2025 11:50 AM (1pand)
Barney Frank actually had a homo escort service run out of his home where certainly there were underage boys for their chicken hawk clients.
He continued to be a powerful Congressman.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:54 AM (VofaG)
And your point? This is another example of the conflation that goes on with regard to Epstein--the fact that Frank was preying on teenage boys has nothing to do with the Epstein business, unless you're suggesting Epstein was somehow back of that too. The existence of government officials preying on teenagers does not prove that Epstein was procuring prepubescent children for nearly everyone in government, finance, and media, which is the mythic version we keep hearing about.
Barney Frank actually had a homo escort service run out of his home where certainly there were underage boys for their chicken hawk clients.
He continued to be a powerful Congressman.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:54 AM (VofaG)
And your point? This is another example of the conflation that goes on with regard to Epstein--the fact that Frank was preying on teenage boys has nothing to do with the Epstein business, unless you're suggesting Epstein was somehow back of that too. The existence of government officials preying on teenagers does not prove that Epstein was procuring prepubescent children for nearly everyone in government, finance, and media, which is the mythic version we keep hearing about.
Posted by: Wiese at July 14, 2025 12:02 PM (1pand)
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241 I sort of like Escape from LA. Especially the ending. The two scenes I hate worst are the basketball thing and the surfing Snake scene.
basketball jones > basketball thing
basketball jones > basketball thing
Posted by: anachronda at July 14, 2025 12:02 PM (v3pYe)
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237 How come no one is mad that nothing came out of the promises to release the JFK info and the UFO info?
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:59 AM (VofaG)
People are also mad about that. Some of the JFK files have been released, and it's long been speculated / known that Dulles, Helms, and Angleton destroyed a lot of files on their ways out. So it's possible there really is nothing else to release. I don't think anyone thought there would be a "here's how the CIA killed JFK" file.
With UFO's -- it's very possible there truly is nothing there. Some might even say likely.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:59 AM (VofaG)
People are also mad about that. Some of the JFK files have been released, and it's long been speculated / known that Dulles, Helms, and Angleton destroyed a lot of files on their ways out. So it's possible there really is nothing else to release. I don't think anyone thought there would be a "here's how the CIA killed JFK" file.
With UFO's -- it's very possible there truly is nothing there. Some might even say likely.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 12:03 PM (uCjyK)
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I have no idea whether or not Epstein ran child pedo rings to blackmail prominent people…
I will say I don’t think he killed himself and there’s probably more we’ll never hear about.
However I’m adamant I don’t want the whole furor to derail Trump’s second term. Whatever was (or wasn’t) happening is no longer going on so that’s good enough for me
I will say I don’t think he killed himself and there’s probably more we’ll never hear about.
However I’m adamant I don’t want the whole furor to derail Trump’s second term. Whatever was (or wasn’t) happening is no longer going on so that’s good enough for me
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 14, 2025 12:03 PM (P/Wjn)
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HERE:
KFOX-14, Maxwell offers to testify before Congress on Epstein's sex trafficking scheme
by ELAINE MALLON | The National News Desk Mon, July 14th 2025
Newsweek: Donald Trump Ally Reacts to Ghislaine Maxwell Testifying About Epstein, Published Jul 14, 2025
KFOX-14, Maxwell offers to testify before Congress on Epstein's sex trafficking scheme
by ELAINE MALLON | The National News Desk Mon, July 14th 2025
Newsweek: Donald Trump Ally Reacts to Ghislaine Maxwell Testifying About Epstein, Published Jul 14, 2025
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 14, 2025 12:03 PM (NFX2v)
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Welcome to the clown world: justice is dead.
Posted by: kilroy at July 14, 2025 11:44 AM (QMNUD)
Oh for fucks sake... Grow the fuck up. We are SIX FUCKING MONTHS into Trump term. He is working his ass off to make life better for ALL Americans.
But whoa! he isn't laser focused on your specific priorities and suddenly "justice is dead"? Shut the fuck up with that shit.
Grow. The Fuck. Up.
Posted by: kilroy at July 14, 2025 11:44 AM (QMNUD)
Oh for fucks sake... Grow the fuck up. We are SIX FUCKING MONTHS into Trump term. He is working his ass off to make life better for ALL Americans.
But whoa! he isn't laser focused on your specific priorities and suddenly "justice is dead"? Shut the fuck up with that shit.
Grow. The Fuck. Up.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 14, 2025 12:03 PM (2J/Lj)
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The pedos that Epstein catered to have not given up their predilection. PDT has / is doing more than anyone ever has to find and convict these people. The fuckers may just get caught in another net.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 14, 2025 12:03 PM (HFcKg)
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Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 12:01 PM (t0Rm
dopnt disagree. Just pointing out that Trump didn't confirm a list and then back out.
He just promised to have info released just like he did with JFK and UFOs. Like I said he's a fan of government conspiracies and exposing them. He was all over Obama's birth certificate too.
dopnt disagree. Just pointing out that Trump didn't confirm a list and then back out.
He just promised to have info released just like he did with JFK and UFOs. Like I said he's a fan of government conspiracies and exposing them. He was all over Obama's birth certificate too.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 12:04 PM (VofaG)
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Basically, what anyone who raided anyone's home would get: a bunch of crap that proves nothing. There are probably thousands of people on his contacts, from his driver to his dentist to his drug dealers to his booty calls to his mother to his gym membership relation manager. He was a major player in NY social and political circles. Probably every politician and wall street heavy hitter is in his contacts.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 11:51 AM (iFTx/)
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Listen, man, the only way the plumber got into Epstein's place was through kompromat.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:53 AM (GBKbO)
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I just checked my own contacts on my phone. 1500 contacts. And I'm a nobody compared to Epstein. And yes, my contacts include my drivers to my dentist to my drug dealer to my booty calls to my mom, to a whole bunch of contacts who I don't even remember who they are.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 11:51 AM (iFTx/)
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Listen, man, the only way the plumber got into Epstein's place was through kompromat.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 11:53 AM (GBKbO)
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I just checked my own contacts on my phone. 1500 contacts. And I'm a nobody compared to Epstein. And yes, my contacts include my drivers to my dentist to my drug dealer to my booty calls to my mom, to a whole bunch of contacts who I don't even remember who they are.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 12:04 PM (iFTx/)
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People like Bongino (before joining the FBI), or Steve Bannon, or Vox Day, or 90% of Breitbart and Town Hall's columnists, are engagement farmers and clickbait artists who say what they think their audiences want to hear, and who don't expect to be held responsible for their rhetoric; Bongino made the mistake of jumping from podcasting into government, where you might actually get raked over the coals for spouting nonsense.
Posted by: Wiese at July 14, 2025 12:04 PM (1pand)
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2025 12:04 PM (AOsQT)
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also my nic is real and spectacular
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2025 12:05 PM (AOsQT)
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The connecting thread is that all these people seem Epstein as a magic bullet who exposure can be used to take down The Real Villains once and for all; the people who think this way have seen way too many movies. The truth, I think, is more mundane; he was a high-rolling pimp, nothing more--not a pedophile supplier, Satanist, Mossad agent, or whatever other image people projected on to him.
So he committed suicide because he was a run of the mill adult Huggy Bear pimp.
😂😂😂😂
*Heide Fleiss has entered the chat.
So he committed suicide because he was a run of the mill adult Huggy Bear pimp.
😂😂😂😂
*Heide Fleiss has entered the chat.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 12:05 PM (+bLMA)
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Trump ran on many issues. Dismissing the Epstein lists and videos as unimportant is telling people whose main issue was transparency to pound sand. I'm old enough to not give a shit if it all goes down the toilet over this issue. Releasing the Epstein material is the political equivalent of wiping ones ass after shitting.
Trump does wipe his ass after shitting?
Trump does wipe his ass after shitting?
Posted by: Marooned at July 14, 2025 12:05 PM (kt8QE)
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257 I have no idea whether or not Epstein ran child pedo rings to blackmail prominent people…
I will say I don’t think he killed himself and there’s probably more we’ll never hear about.
However I’m adamant I don’t want the whole furor to derail Trump’s second term. Whatever was (or wasn’t) happening is no longer going on so that’s good enough for me
I think it's an almost universally held opinion that he was guilty, and that he didn't kill himself. Regardless, we should be able to do both things at once. This isn't a matter of DOJ being overloaded; they have plenty of resources. That's why people look so askance at the whole thing.
I will say I don’t think he killed himself and there’s probably more we’ll never hear about.
However I’m adamant I don’t want the whole furor to derail Trump’s second term. Whatever was (or wasn’t) happening is no longer going on so that’s good enough for me
I think it's an almost universally held opinion that he was guilty, and that he didn't kill himself. Regardless, we should be able to do both things at once. This isn't a matter of DOJ being overloaded; they have plenty of resources. That's why people look so askance at the whole thing.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 12:05 PM (Riz8t)
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263. "...engagement farmers and clickbait artists who say what they think their audiences want to hear, and who don't expect to be held responsible for their rhetoric;..."
And Congress.
And Congress.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 14, 2025 12:06 PM (NFX2v)
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The two aren't mutually exclusive.
America First advocates can both be vociferously outraged and demand action in regards to the Epstein matter and still be in support of the rest of Trump's other agendas.
This "we can't risk it by being divided" is a weak sauce attempt at guilting people to suck it up and forget about it, or else you'll lose your deportations and tax cuts if we all one big kumbaya drum circle.
America First advocates can both be vociferously outraged and demand action in regards to the Epstein matter and still be in support of the rest of Trump's other agendas.
This "we can't risk it by being divided" is a weak sauce attempt at guilting people to suck it up and forget about it, or else you'll lose your deportations and tax cuts if we all one big kumbaya drum circle.
Posted by: Won't Be Long Now at July 14, 2025 12:06 PM (6BNWj)
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With UFO's -- it's very possible there truly is nothing there. Some might even say likely.
I watched a guy make a compelling case that even the first big "aliens are here" moment, Roswell, was the government trying to hide stuff - namely that they had former Axis scientists building radiation detection balloons and doing radiation experiments on corpses - all things the US government did in fact do.
I watched a guy make a compelling case that even the first big "aliens are here" moment, Roswell, was the government trying to hide stuff - namely that they had former Axis scientists building radiation detection balloons and doing radiation experiments on corpses - all things the US government did in fact do.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 12:06 PM (t0Rmr)
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osted by: Wiese at July 14, 2025 12:02 P
Everyone is so defensive here. My point which I guess I thought was obvious from my other posts is that some on the Right always seem to shoot themselves in the foot by demanding we do things that we don't demand from the Left.
Everyone is so defensive here. My point which I guess I thought was obvious from my other posts is that some on the Right always seem to shoot themselves in the foot by demanding we do things that we don't demand from the Left.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 12:08 PM (VofaG)
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I just checked my own contacts on my phone. 1500 contacts. And I'm a nobody compared to Epstein. And yes, my contacts include my drivers to my dentist to my drug dealer to my booty calls to my mom, to a whole bunch of contacts who I don't even remember who they are.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade
Ooooh, look who has drivers. Pardon moi, your majesty.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade
Ooooh, look who has drivers. Pardon moi, your majesty.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 12:08 PM (Riz8t)
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HERE:
KFOX-14, Maxwell offers to testify before Congress on Epstein's sex trafficking scheme
by ELAINE MALLON
THERE WAS NO SCHEME! She pimped underaged girls to Epstein ONLY.
At least, that's what people keep telling me.
KFOX-14, Maxwell offers to testify before Congress on Epstein's sex trafficking scheme
by ELAINE MALLON
THERE WAS NO SCHEME! She pimped underaged girls to Epstein ONLY.
At least, that's what people keep telling me.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 14, 2025 12:08 PM (+bLMA)
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I watched a guy make a compelling case that even the first big "aliens are here" moment, Roswell, was the government trying to hide stuff - namely that they had former Axis scientists building radiation detection balloons and doing radiation experiments on corpses - all things the US government did in fact do.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 12:06 PM (t0Rmr)
Yes, I think it's highly likely the whole UFO thing was / is a distraction / cover story for experimental government technology.
I'd imagine there was also a pys op part of it -- get the USSR to think the US is working with aliens to create crazy weapons.
But I could be wrong on that, I don't know.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 12:06 PM (t0Rmr)
Yes, I think it's highly likely the whole UFO thing was / is a distraction / cover story for experimental government technology.
I'd imagine there was also a pys op part of it -- get the USSR to think the US is working with aliens to create crazy weapons.
But I could be wrong on that, I don't know.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 12:08 PM (uCjyK)
Posted by: Nathan Thurm at July 14, 2025 12:09 PM (Riz8t)
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If Congress take Maxwell up on her offer, it says a lot. If Congress passes, well, let's just say it's not a good look.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 12:09 PM (tT6L1)
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I just checked my own contacts on my phone. 1500 contacts. And I'm a nobody compared to Epstein. And yes, my contacts include my drivers to my dentist to my drug dealer to my booty calls to my mom, to a whole bunch of contacts who I don't even remember who they are.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade
Ooooh, look who has drivers. Pardon moi, your majesty.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 12:08 PM (Riz8t)
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Everyone in NYC has (or had) contacts for drivers. This was from before the Uber era. Now people just use Uber.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade
Ooooh, look who has drivers. Pardon moi, your majesty.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 12:08 PM (Riz8t)
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Everyone in NYC has (or had) contacts for drivers. This was from before the Uber era. Now people just use Uber.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 12:10 PM (iFTx/)
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If Congress take Maxwell up on her offer, it says a lot. If Congress passes, well, let's just say it's not a good look.
Agree.
Agree.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 12:10 PM (Riz8t)
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Yes, I think it's highly likely the whole UFO thing was / is a distraction / cover story for experimental government technology.
I'd imagine there was also a pys op part of it -- get the USSR to think the US is working with aliens to create crazy weapons.
But I could be wrong on that, I don't know.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 12:08 PM (uCjyK)
You just made me think of Gillian Anderson. Thank you
I'd imagine there was also a pys op part of it -- get the USSR to think the US is working with aliens to create crazy weapons.
But I could be wrong on that, I don't know.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 12:08 PM (uCjyK)
You just made me think of Gillian Anderson. Thank you
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 14, 2025 12:10 PM (P/Wjn)
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@277
>>If Congress take Maxwell up on her offer, it says a lot. If Congress passes, well, let's just say it's not a good look.
She'll be dead within a week of any scheduled testimony.
>>If Congress take Maxwell up on her offer, it says a lot. If Congress passes, well, let's just say it's not a good look.
She'll be dead within a week of any scheduled testimony.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 14, 2025 12:10 PM (XV/Pl)
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Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade
Invest in commas. My guess is that you are not having booty calls to your mom. You're the one with all the hot chicks.
Invest in commas. My guess is that you are not having booty calls to your mom. You're the one with all the hot chicks.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2025 12:10 PM (2GCMq)
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272.
My point which I guess I thought was obvious from my other posts is that some on the Right always seem to shoot themselves in the foot by demanding we do things that we don't demand from the Left.
Posted by: polynikes
Frustration over 'nicely' demanding but not being heard.
My point which I guess I thought was obvious from my other posts is that some on the Right always seem to shoot themselves in the foot by demanding we do things that we don't demand from the Left.
Posted by: polynikes
Frustration over 'nicely' demanding but not being heard.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 14, 2025 12:10 PM (NFX2v)
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Decades of GOP fecklessness have poisoned the well so that when someone actually does run up against something they can't do anything about right now, it looks suspiciously exactly like fecklessness, whether it is or isn't.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2025 12:10 PM (VoAdT)
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204 The scattered testimony we've heard from Epstein's victims shows us a repulsive prostitution ring, but also reveals that it's not the lurid, slaves-chained-in-basement stuff that so much of the rhetoric makes it sound like. Girls who wouldn't service Jeffrey were dismissed from the island, not held there in secret dungeons or fed to alligators. It was essentially the same type of stuff that goes on in Hollywood or in the music industry; tying it to Pizzagate and Qanon is a deliberate or accidental blurring of the lines which helps no one.
...except those on the list. nudge, nudge, say no more!
...except those on the list. nudge, nudge, say no more!
Posted by: anachronda at July 14, 2025 12:10 PM (v3pYe)
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>>THERE WAS NO SCHEME! She pimped underaged girls to Epstein ONLY.
>>At least, that's what people keep telling me.
No, what people keep saying in response to the question "Why is Maxwell in prison?" is simply that the only person Maxwell is convicted of trafficking kids to is Epstein. Nobody else.
That doesn't mean there weren't others. It simply means her conviction only involved Epstein.
>>At least, that's what people keep telling me.
No, what people keep saying in response to the question "Why is Maxwell in prison?" is simply that the only person Maxwell is convicted of trafficking kids to is Epstein. Nobody else.
That doesn't mean there weren't others. It simply means her conviction only involved Epstein.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 14, 2025 12:11 PM (viF8m)
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One thing is for sure, if aliens are real, want them deported back to whatever planet they came here from.
I don't give a shit if Elon wants to give the H1B visas.
I don't give a shit if Elon wants to give the H1B visas.
Posted by: Won't Be Long Now at July 14, 2025 12:11 PM (6BNWj)
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yeah, you got any Grey Poopon or what
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2025 12:11 PM (AOsQT)
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‘Bigoted White Boys’: Newly-appointed California Assistant City Manager Faces Backlash Over Alleged Social Media Posts Targeting White People
Media commentator and Mother Jones co-founder Adam Hochschild also weighed in, urging readers to consider how the same words would be received if aimed at a different group. “If I do that with this quote, it would read, ‘Black women marry bigoted black men and birth and raise bigoted black boys.’ I would feel it was racist,” he said. “And I think the same thing applies if it’s White instead of Black. Or if one substitutes anything else — Asian, Mexican — anything else.”
Media commentator and Mother Jones co-founder Adam Hochschild also weighed in, urging readers to consider how the same words would be received if aimed at a different group. “If I do that with this quote, it would read, ‘Black women marry bigoted black men and birth and raise bigoted black boys.’ I would feel it was racist,” he said. “And I think the same thing applies if it’s White instead of Black. Or if one substitutes anything else — Asian, Mexican — anything else.”
Posted by: SMOD at July 14, 2025 12:11 PM (RHGPo)
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69 out of the 110 attorneys that specialize in defending the government have left or announced they are leaving.
In the midst of the Trump administration facing more lawsuits than probably the last 10 Presidents combined.
And they are still firing attorneys at the DOJ.
Whatever level of rot you assigned to the DOJ, you need to up it by a factor of 10.
But sure, keep demanding he divert resources to a case against the most powerful and rich, with allies embedded for decades at all levels of government, where all the evidence is spoiled, tainted or lost, ensuring there'll be no convictions.
Because if we don't, "we're supporting letting child predators go free!!!"
In the midst of the Trump administration facing more lawsuits than probably the last 10 Presidents combined.
And they are still firing attorneys at the DOJ.
Whatever level of rot you assigned to the DOJ, you need to up it by a factor of 10.
But sure, keep demanding he divert resources to a case against the most powerful and rich, with allies embedded for decades at all levels of government, where all the evidence is spoiled, tainted or lost, ensuring there'll be no convictions.
Because if we don't, "we're supporting letting child predators go free!!!"
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 12:11 PM (JThEY)
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Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade
Invest in commas. My guess is that you are not having booty calls to your mom. You're the one with all the hot chicks.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2025 12:10 PM (2GCMq)
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[Golf clap]
Invest in commas. My guess is that you are not having booty calls to your mom. You're the one with all the hot chicks.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 14, 2025 12:10 PM (2GCMq)
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[Golf clap]
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 12:11 PM (iFTx/)
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283 272.
My point which I guess I thought was obvious from my other posts is that some on the Right always seem to shoot themselves in the foot by demanding we do things that we don't demand from the Left.
Posted by: polynikes
Frustration over 'nicely' demanding but not being heard.
asking is just polite demanding.
My point which I guess I thought was obvious from my other posts is that some on the Right always seem to shoot themselves in the foot by demanding we do things that we don't demand from the Left.
Posted by: polynikes
Frustration over 'nicely' demanding but not being heard.
asking is just polite demanding.
Posted by: the wisdom of max headroom at July 14, 2025 12:11 PM (v3pYe)
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Everyone is so defensive here. My point which I guess I thought was obvious from my other posts is that some on the Right always seem to shoot themselves in the foot by demanding we do things that we don't demand from the Left.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 12:08 PM (VofaG)
We demand things from the right that we cannot get from the left.
They were wholly uninterested in Epstein. They run on a complete defense of the establishment.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 12:08 PM (VofaG)
We demand things from the right that we cannot get from the left.
They were wholly uninterested in Epstein. They run on a complete defense of the establishment.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 12:12 PM (KbCG3)
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282 Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade
Invest in commas. My guess is that you are not having booty calls to your mom. You're the one with all the hot chicks.
Dang, Fen made a risque, grammar Nazi joke. What is happening?
Invest in commas. My guess is that you are not having booty calls to your mom. You're the one with all the hot chicks.
Dang, Fen made a risque, grammar Nazi joke. What is happening?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 12:12 PM (Riz8t)
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So I'm supposed to just go along with wealthy and powerful people doing bad things to kids because Republicans might lose some seats if I don't?
No, I don't care if every Republican loses. I'd rather be able to look at myself in the mirror without feeling disgust.
No, I don't care if every Republican loses. I'd rather be able to look at myself in the mirror without feeling disgust.
Posted by: Why even vote at July 14, 2025 12:12 PM (kB+Uw)
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288 yeah, you got any Grey Poopon or what
ah. i see i'm not the only one who missed the art thread.
someone needs to tell cbd about the cha-cha method of taking 3d pictures.
ah. i see i'm not the only one who missed the art thread.
someone needs to tell cbd about the cha-cha method of taking 3d pictures.
Posted by: anachronda at July 14, 2025 12:13 PM (v3pYe)
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also, if you put a slice of French bread in the toaster, and you toast it, did you just make French toast?
disclaimer: I like toast.
disclaimer: I like toast.
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2025 12:13 PM (AOsQT)
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295 So I'm supposed to just go along with wealthy and powerful people doing bad things to kids because Republicans might lose some seats if I don't?
No, I don't care if every Republican loses. I'd rather be able to look at myself in the mirror without feeling disgust.
Posted by: Why even vote at July 14, 2025 12:12 PM (kB+Uw)
The blackmailed pedophile with an R behind his name might accidentally align with something you want done more than the blackmailed pedophile with a D behind his name would, so send $5 to the RNC today!
That's politics, baby.
No, I don't care if every Republican loses. I'd rather be able to look at myself in the mirror without feeling disgust.
Posted by: Why even vote at July 14, 2025 12:12 PM (kB+Uw)
The blackmailed pedophile with an R behind his name might accidentally align with something you want done more than the blackmailed pedophile with a D behind his name would, so send $5 to the RNC today!
That's politics, baby.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 12:14 PM (uCjyK)
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Fun Fact: The President and First Lady will travel to the UK in September for an official state visit.
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Funner fact:
They just gave Macron the full royalty treatment, with all the regal pomp and circumstance.
While Trump's is set to be a mere business formality, with emphasis on their instructions he is not permitted to speak to Parliament.
Fuck the UK, let them stew in the muzzie death pot they built.
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Funner fact:
They just gave Macron the full royalty treatment, with all the regal pomp and circumstance.
While Trump's is set to be a mere business formality, with emphasis on their instructions he is not permitted to speak to Parliament.
Fuck the UK, let them stew in the muzzie death pot they built.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 12:15 PM (JThEY)
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So I'm supposed to just go along with wealthy and powerful people doing bad things to kids because Republicans might lose some seats if I don't?
No, I don't care if every Republican loses. I'd rather be able to look at myself in the mirror without feeling disgust.
Posted by: Why even vote at July 14, 2025 12:12 PM (kB+Uw)
You seem to have a supremely overinflated view of the importance of your single vote. Or you’re engaging in hyperbole for effect….
No, I don't care if every Republican loses. I'd rather be able to look at myself in the mirror without feeling disgust.
Posted by: Why even vote at July 14, 2025 12:12 PM (kB+Uw)
You seem to have a supremely overinflated view of the importance of your single vote. Or you’re engaging in hyperbole for effect….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 14, 2025 12:15 PM (5MZNC)
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We demand things from the right that we cannot get from the left.
They were wholly uninterested in Epstein. They run on a complete defense of the establishment.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 12:12 PM (KbCG3)
Why did we ignore the Frank scandal except maybe a few Hurumphs. Now all the sudden some on the right want to go scorch earth about a 20 year old scandal that will do nothing but damage Trump and its not even a Trump scandal.
They were wholly uninterested in Epstein. They run on a complete defense of the establishment.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 12:12 PM (KbCG3)
Why did we ignore the Frank scandal except maybe a few Hurumphs. Now all the sudden some on the right want to go scorch earth about a 20 year old scandal that will do nothing but damage Trump and its not even a Trump scandal.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 12:16 PM (VofaG)
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@nicksortor
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🚨 BREAKING: Dr. Fauci’s “pardon” CONFIRMED to have be done by autopen and received late-night approval from a White House aide, per NYT
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🚨 BREAKING: Dr. Fauci’s “pardon” CONFIRMED to have be done by autopen and received late-night approval from a White House aide, per NYT
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2025 12:16 PM (AOsQT)
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Hmm, go after the auto pen pardons or Epstein?
I want Fauci and company prosecuted. If they needed pardons then they're open to criminal charges.
I want Fauci and company prosecuted. If they needed pardons then they're open to criminal charges.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 12:17 PM (tT6L1)
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Posted by: Why even vote at July 14, 2025 12:12 PM (kB+Uw)
you vote Dem anyway troll so good for Trump.
you vote Dem anyway troll so good for Trump.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 12:18 PM (VofaG)
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I wasn't aware that there is massive demand for this.
Edgar Wright in Talks with Disney to Direct “The Black Hole” Remake
Edgar Wright in Talks with Disney to Direct “The Black Hole” Remake
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, A Walmart 6 at July 14, 2025 12:18 PM (L/fGl)
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Hmm, go after the auto pen pardons or Epstein?
I want Fauci and company prosecuted. If they needed pardons then they're open to criminal charges.
Why either/or? If they can't do both with their resources, they need to get new people.
I want Fauci and company prosecuted. If they needed pardons then they're open to criminal charges.
Why either/or? If they can't do both with their resources, they need to get new people.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 12:18 PM (Riz8t)
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"Sorry, Vlads, I can't pick up the phone this week, i'm too busy deciding on if I care more about fake pardons or a dead pimp right now."
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 14, 2025 12:18 PM (VoAdT)
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Trump will make Charlie look small in more ways than one.
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2025 12:19 PM (AOsQT)
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I wasn't aware that there is massive demand for this.
Edgar Wright in Talks with Disney to Direct “The Black Hole” Remake
They are creatively bankrupt.
Edgar Wright in Talks with Disney to Direct “The Black Hole” Remake
They are creatively bankrupt.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 12:19 PM (Riz8t)
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Why either/or? If they can't do both with their resources, they need to get new people.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 12:18 PM (Riz8t)
If they're not going after the Epstein situation, they're not going to go after any of the other Deep State shenanigans.
Why either/or? If they can't do both with their resources, they need to get new people.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 12:18 PM (Riz8t)
If they're not going after the Epstein situation, they're not going to go after any of the other Deep State shenanigans.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 12:19 PM (uCjyK)
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301 We demand things from the right that we cannot get from the left.
They were wholly uninterested in Epstein. They run on a complete defense of the establishment.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 12:12 PM (KbCG3)
Why did we ignore the Frank scandal except maybe a few Hurumphs. Now all the sudden some on the right want to go scorch earth about a 20 year old scandal that will do nothing but damage Trump and its not even a Trump scandal.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 12:16 PM (VofaG)
It's the overall point. Where's the transparency and accountability?
Ya know what, I'd be just as happy to see Fauci get it. Or some opening on Seth Rich.
Let the damn chips fall, already.
They were wholly uninterested in Epstein. They run on a complete defense of the establishment.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 12:12 PM (KbCG3)
Why did we ignore the Frank scandal except maybe a few Hurumphs. Now all the sudden some on the right want to go scorch earth about a 20 year old scandal that will do nothing but damage Trump and its not even a Trump scandal.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 12:16 PM (VofaG)
It's the overall point. Where's the transparency and accountability?
Ya know what, I'd be just as happy to see Fauci get it. Or some opening on Seth Rich.
Let the damn chips fall, already.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 12:19 PM (KbCG3)
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303 Hmm, go after the auto pen pardons or Epstein?
I want Fauci and company prosecuted. If they needed pardons then they're open to criminal charges.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 12:17 PM (tT6L1)
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If I understand the latest development in the autopen scandal, it's that aides have admitted to presenting one group of people to pardon in a batch to Biden, Biden approved the batch, and then the aides changed the composition of the batch, getting sign off from an aide rather than Biden himself to use the autopen for the adjusted batch.
It doesn't touch the big name individuals like Fauci, but was more of the group of clemency pardons (he pardoned like 8000 people in his final weeks).
I want Fauci and company prosecuted. If they needed pardons then they're open to criminal charges.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 12:17 PM (tT6L1)
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If I understand the latest development in the autopen scandal, it's that aides have admitted to presenting one group of people to pardon in a batch to Biden, Biden approved the batch, and then the aides changed the composition of the batch, getting sign off from an aide rather than Biden himself to use the autopen for the adjusted batch.
It doesn't touch the big name individuals like Fauci, but was more of the group of clemency pardons (he pardoned like 8000 people in his final weeks).
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 12:19 PM (GBKbO)
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Forsaking Further Conservative Victories Because of “Epstein Disappointment” is not Principled, It’s Surrender
—Buck Throckmorton
This x 1000
—Buck Throckmorton
This x 1000
Posted by: MAC V SOG at July 14, 2025 12:19 PM (P4Pk9)
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Great post. Epstein is dead and good riddance. Our future as a nation has nothing to do with his dead, decaying corpse. Get over it.
Posted by: ErikInTexas at July 14, 2025 12:19 PM (7Ygbv)
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305 I wasn't aware that there is massive demand for this.
Edgar Wright in Talks with Disney to Direct “The Black Hole” Remake
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, A Walmart 6 at July 14, 2025 12:18 PM (L/fGl)
Disney hates spending money on IP.
I’ll let TJM explain the Lucasfilm, Marvel, and Fox acquisitions.
Edgar Wright in Talks with Disney to Direct “The Black Hole” Remake
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, A Walmart 6 at July 14, 2025 12:18 PM (L/fGl)
Disney hates spending money on IP.
I’ll let TJM explain the Lucasfilm, Marvel, and Fox acquisitions.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 14, 2025 12:20 PM (TJLr1)
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Great post. Well-reasoned and articulated. Thanks.
Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at July 14, 2025 12:20 PM (FhMCZ)
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305 I wasn't aware that there is massive demand for this.
Edgar Wright in Talks with Disney to Direct “The Black Hole” Remake
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, A Walmart 6 at July 14, 2025 12:18 PM (L/fGl)
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He's wanted to make it for years.
Disney is desperate for "safe" IP to invest in.
If you want to remake recognizable things, you're going to find work in Hollywood, it seems.
Edgar Wright in Talks with Disney to Direct “The Black Hole” Remake
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, A Walmart 6 at July 14, 2025 12:18 PM (L/fGl)
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He's wanted to make it for years.
Disney is desperate for "safe" IP to invest in.
If you want to remake recognizable things, you're going to find work in Hollywood, it seems.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 12:20 PM (GBKbO)
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Buck, I agree 1000%.
I still have confidence that Patel and Bongino will achieve a lot in the fight to peal back the deep state corruption (Bondi, I'm not as confident).
And it blows my mind that there's a sliver of MAGA voters who are willing to blow up the Trump administration (and cede control to the communists who want to imprison you in a lifetime of misery and poverty), just because they are angry about this one issue.
Trump's a couple hundred days into a 1,500 day term that I believe will save America, or at least delay its death. I'm not willing to give up on him over this issue.
I still have confidence that Patel and Bongino will achieve a lot in the fight to peal back the deep state corruption (Bondi, I'm not as confident).
And it blows my mind that there's a sliver of MAGA voters who are willing to blow up the Trump administration (and cede control to the communists who want to imprison you in a lifetime of misery and poverty), just because they are angry about this one issue.
Trump's a couple hundred days into a 1,500 day term that I believe will save America, or at least delay its death. I'm not willing to give up on him over this issue.
Posted by: Forheremenaremen at July 14, 2025 12:20 PM (FUliT)
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No, I don't care if every Republican loses. I'd rather be able to look at myself in the mirror without feeling disgust.
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Funny that. I couldn't look in the mirror without feeling disgusted if I did anything to help a Democrat get elected.
No, I don't care if every Republican loses. I'd rather be able to look at myself in the mirror without feeling disgust.
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Funny that. I couldn't look in the mirror without feeling disgusted if I did anything to help a Democrat get elected.
Posted by: Lady in Black at July 14, 2025 12:20 PM (qBdHI)
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If I understand the latest development in the autopen scandal, it's that aides have admitted to presenting one group of people to pardon in a batch to Biden, Biden approved the batch, and then the aides changed the composition of the batch, getting sign off from an aide rather than Biden himself to use the autopen for the adjusted batch.
I'm anticipating an imminent Ace post on this.
I'm anticipating an imminent Ace post on this.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 12:21 PM (Riz8t)
Posted by: Peter Bootygig at July 14, 2025 12:21 PM (1yfci)
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Why either/or? If they can't do both with their resources, they need to get new people.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 12:18 PM (Riz8t)
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In this, we may disagree. The DOJ may very well be stretched thin, what with people getting fired, going after Antifa, ICE protesters, etc.
Plus, Fauci can still be indicted, I believe. Whereas I'm not sure Epstein clients can be.
Why either/or? If they can't do both with their resources, they need to get new people.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 12:18 PM (Riz8t)
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In this, we may disagree. The DOJ may very well be stretched thin, what with people getting fired, going after Antifa, ICE protesters, etc.
Plus, Fauci can still be indicted, I believe. Whereas I'm not sure Epstein clients can be.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 12:21 PM (tT6L1)
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Sheesh…. Mike Gallagher flogging the Curtis Sliwa campaign on the radio. I grant Sliwa is a good guy but why ask people to vote for him? He has no chance and it just helps the Muslim commie
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 14, 2025 12:21 PM (5MZNC)
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314 Great post. Epstein is dead and good riddance. Our future as a nation has nothing to do with his dead, decaying corpse. Get over it.
Posted by: ErikInTexas at July 14, 2025 12:19 PM (7Ygbv)
You don't think so? Because I think an underaged honepot run by the CIA to compromise our politicians, CEOs, scientists, etc. heavily implicates the future of the nation.
Especially since they got away with it, unharmed.
Posted by: ErikInTexas at July 14, 2025 12:19 PM (7Ygbv)
You don't think so? Because I think an underaged honepot run by the CIA to compromise our politicians, CEOs, scientists, etc. heavily implicates the future of the nation.
Especially since they got away with it, unharmed.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 14, 2025 12:21 PM (uCjyK)
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320 If I understand the latest development in the autopen scandal, it's that aides have admitted to presenting one group of people to pardon in a batch to Biden, Biden approved the batch, and then the aides changed the composition of the batch, getting sign off from an aide rather than Biden himself to use the autopen for the adjusted batch.
I'm anticipating an imminent Ace post on this.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 12:21 PM (Riz8t)
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I'd read the content of such a post!
If I could read, that is.
I'm anticipating an imminent Ace post on this.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 12:21 PM (Riz8t)
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I'd read the content of such a post!
If I could read, that is.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 12:21 PM (GBKbO)
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Conspiracy nuts are incurable retards who will never be satisfied by the truth.
No one can ever give them what they want and they will inevitably stab you in the back because in their mind all of their allies eventually become a part of the "cover-up".
No one can ever give them what they want and they will inevitably stab you in the back because in their mind all of their allies eventually become a part of the "cover-up".
Posted by: Sjg at July 14, 2025 12:21 PM (aqZN1)
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I'm convinced this has become, if not in origin now in praxis, a psy-ops to turn MAGA against Trump and itself.
I've been noting the same stock phrases on various platforms, as if from AI bots and trolls. They're swamping the comments sections at TGP. One reaction to my calls to reject the hysteria was noteworthy: I was called a "Jew lover." I never made any reference to Israel. Suddenly the unhinged rage made sense. It isn't about pedos, it's about Epstein being a Jew and maybe a Mossad agent?
I've been noting the same stock phrases on various platforms, as if from AI bots and trolls. They're swamping the comments sections at TGP. One reaction to my calls to reject the hysteria was noteworthy: I was called a "Jew lover." I never made any reference to Israel. Suddenly the unhinged rage made sense. It isn't about pedos, it's about Epstein being a Jew and maybe a Mossad agent?
Posted by: Ordinary American at July 14, 2025 12:22 PM (WHfpM)
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305 I wasn't aware that there is massive demand for this.
Edgar Wright in Talks with Disney to Direct “The Black Hole” Remake
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, A Walmart 6 at July 14, 2025 12:18 PM (L/fGl)
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No need for a remake for it.
The Black Hole is a religious film masquerading as sci-fi.
Edgar Wright in Talks with Disney to Direct “The Black Hole” Remake
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, A Walmart 6 at July 14, 2025 12:18 PM (L/fGl)
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No need for a remake for it.
The Black Hole is a religious film masquerading as sci-fi.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at July 14, 2025 12:22 PM (YxG/6)
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Ace is up.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 14, 2025 12:22 PM (dPfyF)
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It doesn't touch the big name individuals like Fauci, but was more of the group of clemency pardons (he pardoned like 8000 people in his final weeks).
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 12:19 PM (GBKbO)
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You know, raining on my parade with facts is hurtful.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 12:19 PM (GBKbO)
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You know, raining on my parade with facts is hurtful.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 12:22 PM (tT6L1)
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They just gave Macron the full royalty treatment, with all the regal pomp and circumstance.
______ _________ _____
Was this before or after they signed the immigration deal where for every "asylum seeker" they deport, they take on another one from France.
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Was this before or after they signed the immigration deal where for every "asylum seeker" they deport, they take on another one from France.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 14, 2025 12:23 PM (BUCrD)
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Why either/or? If they can't do both with their resources, they need to get new people.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 12:18 PM (Riz8t)
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In this, we may disagree.
Das ist verboten!
*sighs, breaks out Bic lighter*
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 12:18 PM (Riz8t)
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In this, we may disagree.
Das ist verboten!
*sighs, breaks out Bic lighter*
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 12:23 PM (Riz8t)
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How come no one is mad that nothing came out of the promises to release the JFK info and the UFO info?
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:59 AM (VofaG)
Because no one is being raped by JFK and aliens right now. Probably.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 11:59 AM (VofaG)
Because no one is being raped by JFK and aliens right now. Probably.
Posted by: ... at July 14, 2025 12:23 PM (Qr870)
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21 "Lack of prosecutions." Anyone who thought there would be a single arrest -- let along prosecution -- of any of the Biden-era criminals is smoking alien hopeium.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 11:08 AM (iFTx/)
Arrests, Extra-judicial vigilance killings; Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 11:08 AM (iFTx/)
Arrests, Extra-judicial vigilance killings; Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.
Posted by: XTC at July 14, 2025 12:23 PM (UnA8+)
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it's not the lurid, slaves-chained-in-basement stuff that so much of the rhetoric makes it sound like
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https://is.gd/Axs2Ln
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https://is.gd/Axs2Ln
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, A Walmart 6 at July 14, 2025 12:23 PM (L/fGl)
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Why are we protecting the Left?
They wouldn't give us that courtesy.
They wouldn't give us that courtesy.
Posted by: torabora at July 14, 2025 12:23 PM (DoOmQ)
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I wasn't aware that there is massive demand for this.
Edgar Wright in Talks with Disney to Direct “The Black Hole” Remake
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, A Walmart 6 at July 14, 2025 12:18 PM (L/fGl)
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He's wanted to make it for years.
Disney is desperate for "safe" IP to invest in.
If you want to remake recognizable things, you're going to find work in Hollywood, it seems.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 12:20 PM (GBKbO)
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BH is old enough and from a primitive time so that a remake with modern budgets and effects isn't a crazy idea. But if BH is remade, it will be remade like a pile of steaming dogshit. It'll be a bunch of gay DEI girlbosses. Maybe the bad guy will be a straight white guy. Maybe.
Edgar Wright in Talks with Disney to Direct “The Black Hole” Remake
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, A Walmart 6 at July 14, 2025 12:18 PM (L/fGl)
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He's wanted to make it for years.
Disney is desperate for "safe" IP to invest in.
If you want to remake recognizable things, you're going to find work in Hollywood, it seems.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 12:20 PM (GBKbO)
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BH is old enough and from a primitive time so that a remake with modern budgets and effects isn't a crazy idea. But if BH is remade, it will be remade like a pile of steaming dogshit. It'll be a bunch of gay DEI girlbosses. Maybe the bad guy will be a straight white guy. Maybe.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 12:23 PM (iFTx/)
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330 It doesn't touch the big name individuals like Fauci, but was more of the group of clemency pardons (he pardoned like 8000 people in his final weeks).
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 12:19 PM (GBKbO)
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You know, raining on my parade with facts is hurtful.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 12:22 PM (tT6L1)
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I suspect the big name pardons were done right. Too much riding on those to have any question about Biden's plenary power of pardon to arise.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 12:19 PM (GBKbO)
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You know, raining on my parade with facts is hurtful.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 14, 2025 12:22 PM (tT6L1)
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I suspect the big name pardons were done right. Too much riding on those to have any question about Biden's plenary power of pardon to arise.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 12:23 PM (GBKbO)
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337 BH is old enough and from a primitive time so that a remake with modern budgets and effects isn't a crazy idea. But if BH is remade, it will be remade like a pile of steaming dogshit. It'll be a bunch of gay DEI girlbosses. Maybe the bad guy will be a straight white guy. Maybe.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 12:23 PM (iFTx/)
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I saw the original once.
It was dull.
Seems like a perfect thing to remake.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 14, 2025 12:23 PM (iFTx/)
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I saw the original once.
It was dull.
Seems like a perfect thing to remake.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 14, 2025 12:24 PM (GBKbO)
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Did I call it, or what?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 14, 2025 12:24 PM (Riz8t)
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The President doesn't have the luxury of a Hollywood ending to the Trolley-car Dilemma.
He, Trump, has to chose who dies.
Order the captain to proceed to certain death.
And the left has us on the right screaming and yelling that Trump must save everyone on the tracks.
As students of the Greek tragedies know, it's a tragedy because both choices are morally correct.
And both lead to unpalpable outcomes.
He, Trump, has to chose who dies.
Order the captain to proceed to certain death.
And the left has us on the right screaming and yelling that Trump must save everyone on the tracks.
As students of the Greek tragedies know, it's a tragedy because both choices are morally correct.
And both lead to unpalpable outcomes.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 14, 2025 12:24 PM (JThEY)
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We elected Trump and he chose the heads of various agencies, but the vast majority of the government personnel remained. Like it or not, Trump is limited in what and how fast he can change things.
Posted by: Button-Pushing-Monkey at July 14, 2025 12:24 PM (EcHpA)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, A Walmart 6 at July 14, 2025 12:25 PM (L/fGl)
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Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 14, 2025 12:19 PM (KbCG3)
The overall point is not to forfeit the wins we have and the momentum for more wins because some internet and conservative pundits didn't get a list from a 20 year old scandal . Where was this kind of demand for a 'list' prior to Trump 47? Sounds like a opposition operation to me.
The overall point is not to forfeit the wins we have and the momentum for more wins because some internet and conservative pundits didn't get a list from a 20 year old scandal . Where was this kind of demand for a 'list' prior to Trump 47? Sounds like a opposition operation to me.
Posted by: polynikes at July 14, 2025 12:25 PM (VofaG)
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As students of the Greek tragedies know, it's a tragedy because both choices are morally correct.
And both lead to unpalpable outcomes.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
You know, like election day.
And both lead to unpalpable outcomes.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
You know, like election day.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, A Walmart 6 at July 14, 2025 12:27 PM (L/fGl)
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We would know more about what Trump said at his rallys if the media had been broadcasting at any besides Butler.
Posted by: Reforger at July 14, 2025 12:27 PM (lPvx2)
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#325 Not one smigeon of corruption.
Posted by: torabora at July 14, 2025 12:28 PM (DoOmQ)
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Trump should take the same attitude the Junta took against the J6 protestors and crank it to 11. Every Epstein client, every BLM/antifa leader, every Fauci minion should be looking at the J6 process on steroids.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:41 AM (t0Rmr)
Just try it!!
Posted by: 18-1 at July 14, 2025 11:41 AM (t0Rmr)
Just try it!!
Posted by: Judge Lavelle LaBelle Traffic Court Springfield Illinois at July 14, 2025 12:30 PM (5xuJ/)
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July 14, 1918
Lt. Quentin Roosevelt of the Army Air Service was killed in action during a dog fight with German fighters. He was hit in the head with two bullets.
He was not yet 21 when he died.
Lt. Quentin Roosevelt of the Army Air Service was killed in action during a dog fight with German fighters. He was hit in the head with two bullets.
He was not yet 21 when he died.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 14, 2025 12:30 PM (6iQ9H)
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 14, 2025 12:31 PM (NFX2v)
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okay I had to look up 'praxis'
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2025 12:34 PM (AOsQT)
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BH is racist.
Posted by: torabora at July 14, 2025 12:34 PM (DoOmQ)
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Nood... just talking to myself, I guess
Posted by: Button-Pushing-Monkey at July 14, 2025 12:35 PM (EcHpA)
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Why would you not want to know who frequented Epstein's homes or island? Because it puts too much fucking pressure on Pres. Trump? Plezzz. This sexual pedator had been protected by powerful people in this country for a couple of decades. To sweep it under the carpet when we have the chance to see who the scum are, so we don't vote for them or patronize their companies is quite shameful.
Posted by: Too bad at July 14, 2025 12:35 PM (Uy/WF)
Posted by: Don Black at July 14, 2025 12:37 PM (AOsQT)
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Notice leftists are not yelling in unison to release the Epstein materials.
Maybe right before the next elections?
Maybe right before the next elections?
Posted by: torabora at July 14, 2025 12:50 PM (DoOmQ)
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I say let GOD sort out the Epstein situation in His way, and let President Trump perform the tasks GOD has ordained in the temporal.
Posted by: Eromero at July 14, 2025 01:02 PM (Vuu9Y)
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Trump never ran on the Epstien nonsense ... I didn't vote for him becasue of it ... if it gets exposed and prosecuted thats great ... but if it doesn't thats fine too ... my life doesn't change because of it ... Trump advancing his immigration, tax and energy policies DOES effect my life ...
Posted by: The Dark Lord at July 14, 2025 01:07 PM (DBAaD)
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Spot on, Buck. Take the victories and "keep your powder dry and hair unlit". I think (or at least hope) Trump has a plan to take care of the perps while preserving his agenda. It's a delicate trick to pull off. Like I said many times, the demokkkrats just think he was playing golf for the past four years. He was, of course, but he was also planning all of this.
Posted by: FINGERS at July 14, 2025 01:12 PM (C8ve7)
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Agreed.
Posted by: Miken at July 14, 2025 01:19 PM (lh8S0)
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"Count me among the people who would very much like to see justice come to everyone who committed a crime in their association with Jeffrey Epstein."
It's not about justice for crimes. It's about the fact that America is run by people who are (still) being blackmailed.
It's not about justice for crimes. It's about the fact that America is run by people who are (still) being blackmailed.
Posted by: Jerome at July 14, 2025 01:40 PM (zIg45)
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There is absolutely no distance many in MAGA won't travel to let Trump off the hook.
He fucked up. And opening his pants and whipping out his giant tariffs isn't going to make this one go away. As it turns out, a portion of his base cars about trafficked kids as more than a campaign promise.
And yes, Dark Lord--he DID run on it.
The undertone of Trump's TS post about this says "Hey MAGA: Close your fucking mouth."
He fucked up. And opening his pants and whipping out his giant tariffs isn't going to make this one go away. As it turns out, a portion of his base cars about trafficked kids as more than a campaign promise.
And yes, Dark Lord--he DID run on it.
The undertone of Trump's TS post about this says "Hey MAGA: Close your fucking mouth."
Posted by: Marleys Ghost at July 14, 2025 01:55 PM (uxXx0)
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Trump and the Republicans can do two things (or even more!) at the same time, and we his supporters do not need to blindly accept nonsense and stonewalling about one thing (the Epstein saga) in order to support Trump.
I for one am thoroughly sick of being lied to. I continue to hold out hope that the Epstein drama is a head-fake. But I'm not buying what they are selling, without a believable explanation.
I for one am thoroughly sick of being lied to. I continue to hold out hope that the Epstein drama is a head-fake. But I'm not buying what they are selling, without a believable explanation.
Posted by: boatbuilder at July 14, 2025 02:19 PM (cGUxH)
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"But I also fear that whatever evidence existed has likely been destroyed, and that the lore regarding “Epstein Island” may exceed the actual crimes."
I feel you people are making excuses.
Excuses do not win wars.
We are at war w/ the Left.
Our elected representation, our politicians, are compromised and are being blackmailed. Do we have civilian govt, or do our reps act in accordance to their blackmailers and pivot when told to jump?
This is a huge civics test, and to me it looks like a failure.
I feel you people are making excuses.
Excuses do not win wars.
We are at war w/ the Left.
Our elected representation, our politicians, are compromised and are being blackmailed. Do we have civilian govt, or do our reps act in accordance to their blackmailers and pivot when told to jump?
This is a huge civics test, and to me it looks like a failure.
Posted by: mossomo at July 14, 2025 02:26 PM (mttHV)
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"My guess is that it would make it way too clear that the US Government was involved in honeypot operations using underaged girls. Epstein was one of 'our' operatives, I expect."
Your guess is the same as mine.
They could have said as much with appropriate language. Instead we get "...nothing to see here. You can trust us."
And I don't really care all that much about who may or not have been involved. Just don't ask me to buy this crap.
Your guess is the same as mine.
They could have said as much with appropriate language. Instead we get "...nothing to see here. You can trust us."
And I don't really care all that much about who may or not have been involved. Just don't ask me to buy this crap.
Posted by: boatbuilder at July 14, 2025 02:27 PM (cGUxH)
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Anonymous Conservative suggests Trump is smart enough to know his approach is not going to work, but he did it anyways. Which means he doesn't want it to work.
So he walks into a meeting of the CIA, Mossad, and MI6 chiefs, and spreads his hands wide 'I held up my end of the deal. I tried gentlemen. It failed. Unfortunately, the American People are at the door with ropes. I'd pray to Jesus for your souls, but since you all are followers of Lucifer, I'm not sure what good that would do. You have about three minutes to repent before you swing. Bye!"
So he walks into a meeting of the CIA, Mossad, and MI6 chiefs, and spreads his hands wide 'I held up my end of the deal. I tried gentlemen. It failed. Unfortunately, the American People are at the door with ropes. I'd pray to Jesus for your souls, but since you all are followers of Lucifer, I'm not sure what good that would do. You have about three minutes to repent before you swing. Bye!"
Posted by: Eric2 at July 14, 2025 02:47 PM (HMtpY)
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