Lowly District Court Judge Blows Off the Supreme Court and Issues <i>Another</i> Nationwide Injunction Against Trump's Birthright Citizenship EO

Lowly District Court Judge Blows Off the Supreme Court and Issues Another Nationwide Injunction Against Trump's Birthright Citizenship EO

Daffy Amy Coney Barret's weak-sister ruling did allow lowly district courts to issue nationwide injunctions, but only through federal rule 23 and the establishment of a class for purposes of a class action lawsuit.

Just as the good Justice Alito predicted.

U.S. District Judge Joseph Laplante granted class-action status to babies who would be affected by the order, in an apparent attempt to circumvent the high court's directives to limit injunctions to participating parties in the case.
The ACLU filed suit, arguing that those affected would suffer irreparable harm, NBC News reported.
The Supreme Court last month narrowed the scope of prior injunctions against the order, finding that lower courts likely lacked the authority to issue sweeping injunctions.
"The issuance of a universal injunction can be justified only as an exercise of equitable authority, yet Congress has granted federal courts no such power," wrote Associate Justice Amy Coney Barrett.
In a concurring opinion, however, Associate Justice Samuel Alito wrote that "today's decision will have very little value if district courts award relief to broadly defined classes without following 'Rule 23's procedural protections' for class certification."

Note that Rule 23 imposes certain requirements which this judge is almost certainly blowing off because he's really just issuing a nationwide injunction under a different name.

(B) For (b)(3) Classes. For any class certified under Rule 23(b)(3) --or upon ordering notice under Rule 23(e)(1) to a class proposed to be certified for purposes of settlement under Rule 23(b)(3)--the court must direct to class members the best notice that is practicable under the circumstances, including individual notice to all members who can be identified through reasonable effort. The notice may be by one or more of the following: United States mail, electronic means, or other appropriate means.The notice must clearly and concisely state in plain, easily understood language:
(i) the nature of the action;
(ii) the definition of the class certified;
(iii) the class claims, issues, or defenses;
(iv) that a class member may enter an appearance through an attorney if the member so desires;
(v) that the court will exclude from the class any member who requests exclusion;
(vi) the time and manner for requesting exclusion; and
(vii) the binding effect of a class judgment on members under Rule 23(c)(3) .

Obviously he's not even going to attempt notifying babies that they are now part of a class action lawsuit.

And note that just because you certify a class for a class action, that isn't -- or shouldn't be -- grounds for issuing yet another single-unelected-judge diktat that overrides the American voters' strong message at the ballot box.

But no big deal because this is just a pretext for the Judicial Insurrection's continuing Will to Power.

Posted by: Ace at 03:25 PM

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1 Frosty

Posted by: lin-duh at July 10, 2025 03:27 PM (/iXAp)

2 ew4gb56tbwe4t

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 10, 2025 03:27 PM (UmB+t)

3 Our black robed (would be) overlords

Posted by: steevy at July 10, 2025 03:27 PM (YwEeS)

4 Or firsty

Posted by: lin-duh at July 10, 2025 03:27 PM (/iXAp)

5
aHHHghhh! I'm melllltinggg!

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 10, 2025 03:27 PM (UmB+t)

6 Take away illegals, dreamers, and birthright citizens and the Dems don't get 40% in national level elections. Perhaps not even 35%.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 03:28 PM (t0Rmr)

7 Sounds insurrection-y to me.

Posted by: ShainS -- Three Days To 'FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! Day' at July 10, 2025 03:28 PM (diNR9)

8 At least this brings the issue (of district court judges making nationwide rulings) back to the Supremes to perhaps be clarified.

Give Trump power to ignore lower courts that are "making law".

Posted by: illiniwek at July 10, 2025 03:28 PM (vbXSk)

9 6 Take away illegals, dreamers, and birthright citizens and the Dems don't get 40% in national level elections. Perhaps not even 35%.

more like 25%

Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 10, 2025 03:28 PM (Pv3Rg)

10 This is never going to end unless the administration is willing to take... adverse action.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 10, 2025 03:29 PM (Q4IgG)

11 It usually is a real time staking, expensive and pain in the ass process to get a class certified.

Clearly, that's not always the case though.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 03:29 PM (uCjyK)

12
So this is basically every baby born on the planet.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 10, 2025 03:29 PM (UmB+t)

13 I'll say this again, because its important = 100 years ago congress gave American Indians citizenship. If Birthright Citizenship was a thing they wouldn't have to because all those people were born within the borders of the US...

See the issue is they weren't under the jurisdiction of the US...just like illegals aren't.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 03:29 PM (t0Rmr)

14 So he's claiming "babies are people and this applies to them."

Could this transform into the Courts recognizing that abortion is murder? That would be a hilarious self-own.

Posted by: Scott_T at July 10, 2025 03:29 PM (2waQ7)

15 Obviously he's not even going to attempt notifying babies that they are now part of a class action lawsuit.
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If babies are a class, shouldn't someone be getting a nationwide injunction against killing them without their written consent?

Posted by: Methos at July 10, 2025 03:29 PM (zLwRl)

16 6 Take away illegals, dreamers, and birthright citizens and the Dems don't get 40% in national level elections. Perhaps not even 35%.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 03:28 PM (t0Rmr)

Don't forget our legal immigrant friends as well.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 03:30 PM (uCjyK)

17 Iffn I was SCOTUS I would immediately declare this idiot to be out of order and I would overturn his injunction. He is being a complete and total dick on purpose knowing he is going to get smacked down. I personally know people like that and I tell them to their face to quit being a dick. It very rarely works though.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 10, 2025 03:30 PM (e5NfL)

18 I said it the other day, but the left always follows its governing philosophy:

"The only rules that matter are these: what a man can do and what a man can't do"

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 10, 2025 03:30 PM (N1DT3)

19 Obviously he's not even going to attempt notifying babies that they are now part of a class action lawsuit.

Unborn babies constitute a class; there should be a class action lawsuit on their behalf placing a nation-wide injunction on abortion...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 03:31 PM (ynpvh)

20 The case needs to be assigned to another judge.

Posted by: The Cold Fish at July 10, 2025 03:32 PM (jc0TO)

21 Yeah, this was entirely predictable.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 10, 2025 03:32 PM (AQ1VH)

22 If babies are a class, shouldn't someone be getting a nationwide injunction against killing them without their written consent?

oh God please someone do this!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 10, 2025 03:32 PM (Pv3Rg)

23 13 I'll say this again, because its important = 100 years ago congress gave American Indians citizenship. If Birthright Citizenship was a thing they wouldn't have to because all those people were born within the borders of the US...

See the issue is they weren't under the jurisdiction of the US...just like illegals aren't.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 03:29 PM (t0Rmr)

I, too, have made that argument but everyone yells at me.

Illegals aren't under the "jurisdiction" of the US any more than Indians on reservations were.

And if, as others have said, just being subject to US laws means you're under the "jurisdiction" of the US, then anyone who comes to the US, including diplomats or anyone else, or is in our exclusive economic zone is under our "jurisdiction" and why even have that language in there? Surely they meant something by the word "jurisdiction" (and we know what they meant - to exclude Indians)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 03:32 PM (uCjyK)

24 20 The case needs to be assigned to another judge.

Posted by: The Cold Fish at July 10, 2025 03:32 PM (jc0TO)

::: types, deletes :::

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 03:32 PM (ynpvh)

25 Then simply deport the parents, and throw the baby into an orphanage, where it will grow up in good America.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 10, 2025 03:32 PM (ufFY8)

26 Don't worry. KBJ will save us.

Posted by: wth at July 10, 2025 03:33 PM (UjdFS)

27 Don't worry. KBJ will save us.
Posted by: wth at July 10, 2025 03:33 PM (UjdFS)

She has to find against this because declaring a class is too much legalese.

Posted by: BruceWayne at July 10, 2025 03:33 PM (MGB5H)

28 Shipwreckedcrew seems to think the Barrett opinion encompassed all she could reasonably do, and the Rule 23 reasoning this judge used will likely be quickly reviewed up the appellate chain and, if it is in any way an overreach, it can then be appropriately dealt with by SCOTUS.

The left better hope their forum shopping was good and the case they are using is bulletproof, because I bet it will all get acid-washed through the courts.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 10, 2025 03:34 PM (kO68M)

29 17 Iffn I was SCOTUS I would immediately declare this idiot to be out of order and I would overturn his injunction. He is being a complete and total dick on purpose knowing he is going to get smacked down. I personally know people like that and I tell them to their face to quit being a dick. It very rarely works though.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 10, 2025 03:30 PM (e5NfL)

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It's just not how the courts work.

Has to go through the motions at the district level first. Then, government can appeal to the circuit. Then, if the circuit doesn't stay things (I imagine they will because nuking Rule 23 is in the cards like SCOTUS just nuked other national injunctions), then it can be appealed to SCOTUS.

And, looking up further, the judge actually stayed his own order, allowing time for the government to respond. So, the clock isn't even really started yet.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:34 PM (GBKbO)

30 My memory is that people did an analysis of Trump's 2016 win and if we had the demographics of 1964 he won every state.

Now some of those Dem voters are duly certified citizens. But...most aren't. We've got 40M or so illegals, most of whom are voting and all of their kids.

Take those votes away and away from the census and elections and the GOPe will be the dominant political party.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 03:34 PM (t0Rmr)

31 The new Autopen for the unborn.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 03:34 PM (zhBpy)

32 The Supreme Court left open a door to challenging the executive order restricting birthright citizenship. The ACLU walked right through.

The ACLU is fighting the good fight. I am proud of them. Glad I rejoined and donated!

Trump will appeal but delay going to SCOTUS because they realize there is no way they will say a President can overturn an amendment to the Constitution by executive order. They probably want to stall until after the midterms.

Whatever happened to teaching civics in school? The only way an amendment or a portion thereof can be overturned is with another amendment. But when you have a President that thinks he's a king...

Oh no! Now John Roberts will have to explain why the plain English of the 14th Amendment means exactly the opposite of what it means!

this is a good class definition. Very specific and clear harm is dealt to these individuals who historically would have been readily considered citizens.

Hopefully the SC will be sensible and continue to consider persons birthed under these circumstances to be proud USA citizens

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 10, 2025 03:35 PM (JCZqz)

33 I propose the Vinny Boombotz Esq rule 62. Fuck you and the dildo you rode in on clause.
Or commonly known as

Welcome to Walmart
Get your shit
And get out
Statute

Posted by: Captain Fantastic at July 10, 2025 03:35 PM (uEWUd)

34 28 Shipwreckedcrew seems to think the Barrett opinion encompassed all she could reasonably do, and the Rule 23 reasoning this judge used will likely be quickly reviewed up the appellate chain and, if it is in any way an overreach, it can then be appropriately dealt with by SCOTUS.

The left better hope their forum shopping was good and the case they are using is bulletproof, because I bet it will all get acid-washed through the courts.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 10, 2025 03:34 PM (kO68M)

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ACB's ruling was "proper."

Alito is sick of proper because it just draws things out and wanted to nuke all the bullshit as fast as possible.

Alito's gone fucking radical since 2020.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:35 PM (GBKbO)

35
Alito wrote that "today's decision will have very little value if district courts award relief to broadly defined classes without following 'Rule 23'

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And the judge did not follow Rule 23. Rule 23 is more of a guideline then?

There's evidently no consequence to blowing it off.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 10, 2025 03:35 PM (UmB+t)

36 11 It usually is a real time staking, expensive and pain in the ass process to get a class certified.

Clearly, that's not always the case though.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Requiring trial judges to sit in panels for major cases involving state or fedgov laws (as was the practice before 1976) would curb a lot of these abuses.

Too many trial court judges are peacocks and popinjays--more consumed with their image than that of actually ruling according to law.

Lot of arrogant POS trial judges, especially in federal court yelling "respect muh authoritah!!!!"

Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 03:35 PM (ctrM5)

37 14 ...
Could this transform into the Courts recognizing that abortion is murder? That would be a hilarious self-own.
Posted by: Scott_T at July 10, 2025 03:29 PM (2waQ7)

15 ...
If babies are a class, shouldn't someone be getting a nationwide injunction against killing them without their written consent?
Posted by: Methos at July 10, 2025 03:29 PM (zLwRl)

19 ...
Unborn babies constitute a class; there should be a class action lawsuit on their behalf placing a nation-wide injunction on abortion...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 03:31 PM (ynpvh)

Horde Mind.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 03:35 PM (ynpvh)

38 As to rules and regulations, we had no Red Book, and knew nothing about them. We were out fighting the Illegals' babies, not sitting comfortably behind barb-wire entanglements; we got them and shot them under Rule 23!"

Posted by: andycanuck (mZtdJ) at July 10, 2025 03:35 PM (2yoRf)

39 You'd think that the Supremes would be getting sick of having to fix the lower courts 5 days a week.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2025 03:36 PM (uWKK8)

40 Oh no! Now John Roberts will have to explain why the plain English of the 14th Amendment means exactly the opposite of what it means!

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Bwahahahahahahahahahah

Posted by: BruceWayne at July 10, 2025 03:36 PM (MGB5H)

41 as was said above the parents aren't in the class, only the unborn babies. Rule 23 requires they all be notified.

Good luck with that.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 10, 2025 03:36 PM (kO68M)

42 The other issue regarding Indians was that some tribes were absorbed by "right of conquest", and their status was specifically non-citizens.

Andrea Burkhart has an excellent video with an Italian professor, discussing the Standing Bear (?) case, and the story of it.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 10, 2025 03:36 PM (ufFY8)

43 32 Trump will appeal but delay going to SCOTUS because they realize there is no way they will say a President can overturn an amendment to the Constitution by executive order. They probably want to stall until after the midterms.

Whatever happened to teaching civics in school? The only way an amendment or a portion thereof can be overturned is with another amendment. But when you have a President that thinks he's a king...

Oh no! Now John Roberts will have to explain why the plain English of the 14th Amendment means exactly the opposite of what it means!

this is a good class definition. Very specific and clear harm is dealt to these individuals who historically would have been readily considered citizens.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 10, 2025 03:35 PM (JCZqz)

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1, 2, and 3: Please, read the 14th, and tell me what "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means and why it's a separate clause from what precedes it, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States".

4. Hilarious. Terrible class definition.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:36 PM (GBKbO)

44 Babies born on American soil

Really shouldn't do that in the dirt.

Posted by: wth at July 10, 2025 03:37 PM (UjdFS)

45 26 Don't worry. KBJ will save us.
Posted by: wth

Her Judicial Assistants will draft a fiery dissent by copying and pasting BlueSky skeets and Reddit rants.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 10, 2025 03:37 PM (JCZqz)

46 44 Babies born on American soil

Really shouldn't do that in the dirt.

Posted by: wth at July 10, 2025 03:37 PM (UjdFS)

Fertile lands...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 03:37 PM (ynpvh)

47 And the judge did not follow Rule 23. Rule 23 is more of a guideline then?

There's evidently no consequence to blowing it off.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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Legal error, appeal and stay at court of appeals likely. If not, Scotus slap down with Action Jackson dissent.

Even Roberts can no longer claim that these judges are following anything like normal legal procedures. They are forcing him against his will probably to have to deal with these activists in order to preserve any respect for the courts. And respect for rulings, when gone, means that the court becomes advisory in nature.

Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 03:37 PM (ctrM5)

48 Welp what is to be done?

There is no sanction aside for impeachment, and I heard that suggesting a judge should be impeached is a war crime now or something.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at July 10, 2025 03:37 PM (UpwUi)

49 Don't look up Rule 23.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 10, 2025 03:37 PM (mlg/3)

50 39 You'd think that the Supremes would be getting sick of having to fix the lower courts 5 days a week.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2025 03:36 PM (uWKK

You would think.

That said, I get why they're hesitant to do anything too drastic here, they are in essence giving away their own power (of the judiciary).

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 03:38 PM (uCjyK)

51 45 26 Don't worry. KBJ will save us.
Posted by: wth

Her Judicial Assistants will draft a fiery dissent by copying and pasting BlueSky skeets and Reddit rants.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 10, 2025 03:37 PM (JCZqz)

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"Y'all a bunch of fucking racist mother fuckers!"
-KJB, in conference, helping

"Please, stop helping."
-Kagan

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:38 PM (GBKbO)

52 Blonde Morticia, just in case you didn't see my Willowed comment...

You are so right. And I'm sure the CGI employees are doing the pushing too. "You're talents are SO wasted here, Chelsea! You should run for office!"

I think deep in their souls, these political nebo babies and minor celebs WANT to matter. They know they lead useless lives. I think the divine in us craves purpose. Unfortunately the liberals have taught her since childhood to use that divine spark of purpose in a twisted way: to grift, steal, and desire to dominate/bully others.

Did you see that Charlize Theron has an African charity she named AFTER herself? The egos are too much.

Posted by: LizLem at July 10, 2025 03:38 PM (gWBY1)

53 Suits me, just go in and seal that loophole and transfer that judge to the North Slope of Alaska with no vacations.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 03:38 PM (8avO+)

54 45 26 Don't worry. KBJ will save us.
Posted by: wth

Her Judicial Assistants will draft a fiery dissent by copying and pasting BlueSky skeets and Reddit rants.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 10, 2025 03:37 PM (JCZqz)

To much legalese.

Posted by: SCOTUS Judge "Action" Jackson at July 10, 2025 03:38 PM (ynpvh)

55 Alito's gone fucking radical since 2020.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:35 PM (GBKbO)
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which is why I pray for his health and that of Justice Thomas every day.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 10, 2025 03:38 PM (kO68M)

56 39 You'd think that the Supremes would be getting sick of having to fix the lower courts 5 days a week.
Posted by: Tom Servo

That's job security!

Posted by: Moron Analyst at July 10, 2025 03:38 PM (JCZqz)

57 Comments on DU are more interesting than usual - one of them has what is probably a good point, Trump is likely to ultimately lose on the issue of, can Birthright Citizenship be changed by an EO? I have long maintained that such a change will require an Act of Congress as well, signed by the President.

BUT it has been worth going through all of this so far just to draw out the judicial weaselry.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2025 03:39 PM (uWKK8)

58
Blonde Morticia, just in case you didn't see my Willowed comment...

You are so right. And I'm sure the CGI employees are doing the pushing too. "You're talents are SO wasted here, Chelsea! You should run for office!"

I think deep in their souls, these political nebo babies and minor celebs WANT to matter. They know they lead useless lives. I think the divine in us craves purpose. Unfortunately the liberals have taught her since childhood to use that divine spark of purpose in a twisted way: to grift, steal, and desire to dominate/bully others.

Did you see that Charlize Theron has an African charity she named AFTER herself? The egos are too much.
Posted by: LizLem

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Thanks! I do love this discussion.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 10, 2025 03:39 PM (UmB+t)

59 I pledge allegiance to the US Federal District Court and to the tyranny for which it stands, one court and one judge perfect and without flaw, with nationwide rulings that unerringly adhere to Democrat orthodoxy.

Amen.

Posted by: Voter theater. at July 10, 2025 03:39 PM (FCPbW)

60 Judges do not have to follow rules.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at July 10, 2025 03:39 PM (UpwUi)

61 Is there a judicial version of Vexatious Litigant?

Posted by: The Cold Fish at July 10, 2025 03:39 PM (jc0TO)

62 Don't forget our legal immigrant friends as well.

I tried to find numbers on how naturalized citizens voted in 2020/2024 and its actually hard.

A couple of analysis argued Trump probably slightly won them in 2024, but by a lower margin then heritage Americans.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 03:39 PM (t0Rmr)

63 Babies born on American soil

Really shouldn't do that in the dirt.

Posted by: wth at July 10, 2025 03:37 PM (UjdFS)

Fertile lands...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 03:37 PM (ynpvh)

"Do it to your daughter on a dirt road."

Posted by: BOC - Career of Evil at July 10, 2025 03:40 PM (ufFY8)

64 55 Alito's gone fucking radical since 2020.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:35 PM (GBKbO)
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which is why I pray for his health and that of Justice Thomas every day.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 10, 2025 03:38 PM (kO68M)

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Kavanaugh's hardcore, too.

Gorsuch has made up his weird detour in Bostock.

ACB is solid on the merits and getting sick of the process games as well as KJB's shit.

Roberts is along for the ride, unenthusiastically.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:40 PM (GBKbO)

65 49 Don't look up Rule 23.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 10, 2025 03:37 PM (mlg/3)

Mine eyes!!!! They burn, they burn, they burn.....

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at July 10, 2025 03:40 PM (a/dOO)

66 Judge is a "W" appointee, probably the result of Andy Card.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at July 10, 2025 03:40 PM (bNf8H)

67 There. Are. 23. Rules.

Posted by: andycanuck (mZtdJ) at July 10, 2025 03:40 PM (2yoRf)

68 democrat judges are evil retards

Posted by: uniparty, Raping and Mutilating the Children They do not kill at July 10, 2025 03:40 PM (gxokI)

69 Ever feel like with the modern insistance on recognition of "classes" and other ways to divide up the populace like race/gender/sexuality/etc that we're going backwards from the whole "all men are created equal" thingy that we used to think was a good idea?

Posted by: Judge Randy Kentanji Brown Marsh at July 10, 2025 03:41 PM (B9Prs)

70 1, 2, and 3: Please, read the 14th, and tell me what "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means and why it's a separate clause from what precedes it, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States".

4. Hilarious. Terrible class definition.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:36 PM (GBKbO)

The truth of the matter (not what should be argued in court) is that the 14th Amendment was meant to say "all former slaves are now citizens of the US. We are not including Indians in this, as they're their own thing."

Nothing about what we now call birthright citizen, I don't think they meant to create a whole new term of art ("...and subject the jurisdiction thereof") or anything else.

To me, it's very clear what the intention of the 14th was. But unfortunately Courts have decided it means anyone born on US soil is automatically a citizen, so that's the battle that has be fought, and the only real "out" here is the jurisdiction question.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 03:41 PM (uCjyK)

71 >>> Babies born on American soil
Really shouldn't do that in the dirt.
Posted by: wth at July 10, 2025 03:37 PM (UjdFS)

I'm reminded of the Beatles song "Why don't we do it in the road."

But seriously, liberals are fine with trafficking children here to work as slaves on farms. Plenty of dirt there!

Posted by: LizLem at July 10, 2025 03:41 PM (gWBY1)

72 off sock

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at July 10, 2025 03:41 PM (B9Prs)

73 1, 2, and 3: Please, read the 14th, and tell me what "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means and why it's a separate clause from what precedes it, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States".

4. Hilarious. Terrible class definition.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Leftist use the Chinese Restaurant Menu constitutional doctrine. They pick and choose which clauses that they like and which they don't. Most are illiterate by design on law, history, or the Constitution. All they know is what their approved media morons tells them to think. Self licking ice cream cone of malice and ignorance all around.

Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 03:42 PM (ctrM5)

74 66 Judge is a "W" appointee, probably the result of Andy Card.
Posted by: Frasier Crane at July 10, 2025 03:40 PM (bNf8H)

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2007, so would have been recommended by Sununu and Gregg, most likely.

Both Republicans, but NH Republicans.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:42 PM (GBKbO)

75 49 Don't look up Rule 23.
Posted by: weft cut-loop

But you should search "Rule 34 My Little Pony" images.

Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at July 10, 2025 03:42 PM (JCZqz)

76 You'd think that the Supremes would be getting sick of having to fix the lower courts 5 days a week.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2025 03:36 PM (uWKK

You would think.

That said, I get why they're hesitant to do anything too drastic here, they are in essence giving away their own power (of the judiciary).
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 03:38 PM (uCjyK)

I don't. It is totally dissipating the good will of the institution and showing the Supremes. It could have been fixed by internal regulations and customs by crushing these judges and removing them from cases when they blunder so badly. As discipline from a superior court, nobody would object if these bought and sold judges were restricted to mundane night court duties until they retired.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 03:42 PM (8avO+)

77 64 55 Alito's gone fucking radical since 2020.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:35 PM (GBKbO)
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which is why I pray for his health and that of Justice Thomas every day.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 10, 2025 03:38 PM (kO68M)

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Kavanaugh's hardcore, too.

Gorsuch has made up his weird detour in Bostock.

ACB is solid on the merits and getting sick of the process games as well as KJB's shit.

Roberts is along for the ride, unenthusiastically.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:40 PM (GBKbO)

He'll close his eyes and think of ~~England~~ SCOTUS...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 03:42 PM (ynpvh)

78 Usual sock back on.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 10, 2025 03:42 PM (2yoRf)

79 Oh no! Now John Roberts will have to explain why the plain English of the 14th Amendment means exactly the opposite of what it means!

It's a tax!

Posted by: John Roberts at July 10, 2025 03:43 PM (uxAXv)

80 If a conservative opinion is going to prevail 5-4 without Roberts, it will always be 6-3 with Roberts, so that he can write the opinion to minimize the damage done to the Bolsheviks.

Posted by: The Cold Fish at July 10, 2025 03:43 PM (jc0TO)

81 And to continue the point, since it is illegal for them to be here, if illegals were under the jurisdiction of the US they would be deported.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 03:43 PM (t0Rmr)

82 67 There. Are. 23. Rules.

Posted by: andycanuck (mZtdJ) at July 10, 2025 03:40 PM (2yoRf)

::: blinking :::

Posted by: Jean Luc Picard at July 10, 2025 03:43 PM (ynpvh)

83 70 To me, it's very clear what the intention of the 14th was. But unfortunately Courts have decided it means anyone born on US soil is automatically a citizen, so that's the battle that has be fought, and the only real "out" here is the jurisdiction question.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 03:41 PM (uCjyK)

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The SCOTUS decision that everyone points to, United States v. Wong Kim Ark (189

, doesn't even say that.

It's not, "Cross the border and give birth." It's, "have permanent residence for an extended period of time and give birth."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:43 PM (GBKbO)

84 Wait. Is he issuing rights to the unborn?

Posted by: Reforger at July 10, 2025 03:44 PM (SJnNf)

85 80 If a conservative opinion is going to prevail 5-4 without Roberts, it will always be 6-3 with Roberts, so that he can write the opinion to minimize the damage done to the Bolsheviks.
Posted by: The Cold Fish at July 10, 2025 03:43 PM (jc0TO)

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Only if the other 5 agree to it.

If he assigns himself the majority opinion 6-3, and the other 5 disagree, they can write a controlling, majority opinion instead.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:44 PM (GBKbO)

86 69 Ever feel like with the modern insistance on recognition of "classes" and other ways to divide up the populace like race/gender/sexuality/etc that we're going backwards from the whole "all men are created equal" thingy that we used to think was a good idea?
Posted by: Judge Randy Kentanji Brown Marsh at July 10, 2025 03:41 PM (B9Prs)

In the judicial context, it makes sense.
1) no court wants to hear the same case over and over again, and god forbid you get contradictory jury decisions. So for convenience sake, the courts say "yep, lump all these people together in one case"
and
2) there are a lot of situations where the damages to any individual person are not worth the effort of filing the case (or don't meet the threshold to get in to federal court), but collectively the damages are huge. The courts reason they don't want bad actors to get away with being bad actors because the damages to each individual is only $5k or whatever, even if the collective damages are tens of millions of dollars. For example, in some kind of consumer fraud case.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 03:44 PM (uCjyK)

87 68 democrat judges are evil retards

Posted by: uniparty, Raping and Mutilating the Children They do not kill at July 10, 2025 03:40 PM (gxokI)

I saw Evil Retard Judges front for Satanic Congress at the Harvey Milk Photo Center in '14...

Posted by: Jean Luc Picard at July 10, 2025 03:44 PM (ynpvh)

88 But you should search "Rule 34 My Little Pony" images.
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar
......

OK. Because I like trust you, totally.

Posted by: wth at July 10, 2025 03:45 PM (UjdFS)

89 Then simply deport the parents, and throw the baby into an orphanage, where it will grow up in good America.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt

Then eminent domain the judge's property to be converted into an orphanage.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at July 10, 2025 03:45 PM (A2qI3)

90 Honestly, what I read of the Barret opinion I thought it was weak sauce because of exactly this.

I did not comment on it because I did not want to be an Eeyore and everyone was so happy.

But I think our coalition held only because it was weak sauce.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 10, 2025 03:46 PM (A7fWT)

91 The SCOTUS decision that everyone points to, United States v. Wong Kim Ark (189, doesn't even say that.

It's not, "Cross the border and give birth." It's, "have permanent residence for an extended period of time and give birth."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:43 PM (GBKbO)

That's the controlling case, and the language from that case is the only SCOTUS case I know of that explores this question, and they landed where they landed.

Obviously that case included the most sympathetic plaintiffs they could find, and, well, bad facts make bad case law and here we are.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 03:46 PM (uCjyK)

92 >>> 15 Obviously he's not even going to attempt notifying babies that they are now part of a class action lawsuit.

If babies are a class, shouldn't someone be getting a nationwide injunction against killing them without their written consent?
Posted by: Methos at July 10, 2025 03:29 PM (zLwRl)

There was an infrequently commenting Moron who attended a couple of the early TX MoMees, who was a litigator for various religious freedom cases and similar such. Maybe he's still lurking.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 10, 2025 03:46 PM (ULPxl)

93 To me, it's very clear what the intention of the 14th was. But unfortunately Courts have decided it means anyone born on US soil is automatically a citizen, so that's the battle that has be fought, and the only real "out" here is the jurisdiction question.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

No they did not. That is not a fair reading of Wong Ark Kim. Essentially Wong Ark was born here of legally present parents, came and went twice to China to see his parents, etc. And he was barred from reentry due to an exclusion act the second time from reentering the US. So, Justice Gray, in a crappy misreading of English common law btw, tried to rectify what he believed was an injustice but ignored that late unpleasantness of Dred Scott and why the 13-15 amendments were made which overrode any understanding before of natural born clause. Dred Scott held as part of the opinion that blacks, whether free or slave, could never be considered part of the people of the US and thus were non citizens forever. Obviously Congress had to fix this so they added the 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' (which has a meaning very different in US law than the old British common law--citizens v. subjects)

Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 03:46 PM (ctrM5)

94 Then simply deport the parents, and throw the baby into an orphanage, where it will grow up in good America.

The left plays a game with this.

If you deport the illegals and keep the child you are "separating parents and child!"

If you deport them all together you are "deporting American citizens!"

Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 03:47 PM (t0Rmr)

95 Harry,
The Fuller court has a helluva lot of bad decisions that led future courts to overreach to correct them.

Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 03:47 PM (ctrM5)

96 Even Roberts can no longer claim that these judges are following anything like normal legal procedures. They are forcing him against his will probably to have to deal with these activists in order to preserve any respect for the courts. And respect for rulings, when gone, means that the court becomes advisory in nature.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 03:37 PM (ctrM5)

That's his problem. Its one thing to want to elevate the courts into a better group of judges, but if so the sort of wishcasting laws into TROs, the evading of rules on who and where people can sue and who gets to judge, the conspiring with the initiators and excluding the defendants should be mortal sins n his eyes and he should come down hard. But he doesn't have the steel.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 03:47 PM (8avO+)

97 These judges know they are going to be reversed, the aim is delay.

It's going to take 6-8 months before SCOTUS gets around to dealing with this, they'll smack this down, but leave another avenue that can be exploited, another novel legal theory will be devised, another TRO is put in place, rinse repeat for the next 3.5 years.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 10, 2025 03:48 PM (XV/Pl)

98 91 That's the controlling case, and the language from that case is the only SCOTUS case I know of that explores this question, and they landed where they landed.

Obviously that case included the most sympathetic plaintiffs they could find, and, well, bad facts make bad case law and here we are.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 03:46 PM (uCjyK)

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But, just throwing up your hands and saying, "Well, case law says birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants is just settled," isn't correct. Because that's not what the controlling caselaw actually says.

SCOTUS revisiting this on the merits is going to look at Wong Kim Ark and start there. They could even overturn it, saying, "Congress needs to write legislation to clarify this, until then, the EO is controlling going forward," or "the EO is invalid until Congress speaks."

Considering SCOTUS's recent history, I'd call it 50/50 they go either way.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:48 PM (GBKbO)

99 This judge is...wait for it...the kind of jurist we need more of.

Posted by: Justice Jumanji Affirmative Action...wait for it...Jackson at July 10, 2025 03:49 PM (47/pr)

100 To me, it's very clear what the intention of the 14th was. But unfortunately Courts have decided it means anyone born on US soil is automatically a citizen, so that's the battle that has be fought, and the only real "out" here is the jurisdiction question.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 03:41 PM (uCjyK)

The biggest legal problem with "Subject to the Jurisdiction of" is the finding in Plyler vs Doe, 1982. As the saying goes, the Surpreme Court isn't final because they're always right; they're always right because they're final.
And the standing precedent on "Subject to the Jurisdiction of" is this:
"Texas officials had argued that illegal aliens were not "within the jurisdiction" of the state and thus could not claim protections under the Fourteenth Amendment. The court majority rejected this claim, finding instead that "no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment 'jurisdiction' can be drawn between resident immigrants whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident immigrants whose entry was unlawful." The dissenting opinion also rejected this claim."

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2025 03:49 PM (uWKK8)

101 New 2 bed senior houses are stunning ad:

A fuckin death row cell has more room for one!

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at July 10, 2025 03:49 PM (Z1/EE)

102 > Iffn I was SCOTUS I would immediately declare this idiot to be out of order and I would overturn his injunction.

As I said in the previous thread, he needs to be jugged for contempt, followed by impeachment and removal from office.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 10, 2025 03:49 PM (qpyNK)

103 No they did not. That is not a fair reading of Wong Ark Kim. Essentially Wong Ark was born here of legally present parents, came and went twice to China to see his parents, etc. And he was barred from reentry due to an exclusion act the second time from reentering the US. So, Justice Gray, in a crappy misreading of English common law btw, tried to rectify what he believed was an injustice but ignored that late unpleasantness of Dred Scott and why the 13-15 amendments were made which overrode any understanding before of natural born clause. Dred Scott held as part of the opinion that blacks, whether free or slave, could never be considered part of the people of the US and thus were non citizens forever. Obviously Congress had to fix this so they added the 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' (which has a meaning very different in US law than the old British common law--citizens v. subjects)
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 03:46 PM (ctrM5)

Yes, but since then, we've had birthright citizenship. I agree, SCOTUS needs to clarify / overrule Ark, and can easily distinguish the case of someone born in the US with two illegal parents from the Ark case if they so desire.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 03:49 PM (uCjyK)

104 97 These judges know they are going to be reversed, the aim is delay.

It's going to take 6-8 months before SCOTUS gets around to dealing with this, they'll smack this down, but leave another avenue that can be exploited, another novel legal theory will be devised, another TRO is put in place, rinse repeat for the next 3.5 years.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 10, 2025 03:48 PM (XV/Pl)

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It took about 3 months to get from the birthright citizens injunction to ending all national injunctions. It only took that long because the majority decided to go big.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:49 PM (GBKbO)

105 In order to issue the notices of class action, every unborn baby on American soil must be insured to be born, so as to be notified of the class action lawsuit.

Posted by: Reforger at July 10, 2025 03:49 PM (SJnNf)

106 This is never going to end unless the administration is willing to take... adverse action.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 10, 2025 03:29 PM (Q4IgG)

Do these black-robed tyrants not have windows to fall out of?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2025 03:50 PM (Bhbkm)

107 Maybe the Supremes should stop including in their majority opinions things akin to "Here's one way I could see others could get around what we concluded today...".

Posted by: Crusader at July 10, 2025 03:50 PM (TN0g+)

108 >>> 98

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SCOTUS revisiting this on the merits is going to look at Wong Kim Ark and start there. They could even overturn it, saying, "Congress needs to write legislation to clarify this, until then, the EO is controlling going forward," or "the EO is invalid until Congress speaks."

Considering SCOTUS's recent history, I'd call it 50/50 they go either way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:48 PM (GBKbO)

Shit, we have to WORK?!

Posted by: congresscritters at July 10, 2025 03:50 PM (ULPxl)

109 Personally, I think it's time to burn DC to the ground.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at July 10, 2025 03:50 PM (g8Ew8)

110 It's just too bad the 14th amendment when drafted didn't make explicit reference to "formerly enslaved people", as it was intended to apply to that group of citizens specifically.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 10, 2025 03:50 PM (kO68M)

111 That standing Supreme Court precedent is why I do not believe the President can overturn it with just an EO, but Congress and the President acting together can.

I do not think it is a very good plan to hope that the SCOTUS changes its mind and bails us out of the situation.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2025 03:51 PM (uWKK8)

112 Dred Scott held as part of the opinion that blacks, whether free or slave, could never be considered part of the people of the US and thus were non citizens forever. Obviously Congress had to fix this so they added the 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' (which has a meaning very different in US law than the old British common law--citizens v. subjects)
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 03:46 PM (ctrM5)

Yes, that was such an obvious lie that the Founders had any such idea that being a slave was a permanent condition. States also had laws protecting treatment of slaves so even if enslaved they had some rights, and slaves could and were manumitted the entire period.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 03:51 PM (8avO+)

113 > Harvey Milk Photo Center in '14...

Is that where they decide which missing kid goes on the milk cartons?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 10, 2025 03:51 PM (qpyNK)

114 Am I supposed to read all this?

Posted by: Ketanji Action Jackson at July 10, 2025 03:51 PM (UjdFS)

115 I'm wondering if the side issue of this judicial coup is pushing the fence sitters on the SC to go ahead and rule that no, birthright citizenship is not going to be an enshrined Constitutional right for illegal aliens.

Posted by: Eldo at July 10, 2025 03:51 PM (Bt9aS)

116 >>> ACB is solid on the merits and getting sick of the process games as well as KJB's shit.

It's still wild to me that even Wise Latina Sotamayor had to do the SCOTUS version of "KJB, you ignorant slut..."

Sotamayor was an actual Bronx girl who lived in the projects, none of this Sandy Cortez carpetbagging crap. Real Bronx girls only suffer fools for so long. (Which is also why the Bronx had an impressive swing to Trump in the last election. Keep appealing to the working class legal latinos there! And get them all registered to vote and get them to the polls.)

Cleaning up voting and census rolls to cut off the illegals, maybe some of the lighter blue NYC boroughs could one day shift as red as Staten Island. A girl can dream...

Posted by: LizLem at July 10, 2025 03:52 PM (gWBY1)

117 >>> 109 Personally, I think it's time to burn DC to the ground.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at July 10, 2025 03:50 PM (g8Ew

Don't forget to salt the ashes. And you probably need an exorcism, too.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 10, 2025 03:52 PM (ULPxl)

118 111 That standing Supreme Court precedent is why I do not believe the President can overturn it with just an EO, but Congress and the President acting together can.

I do not think it is a very good plan to hope that the SCOTUS changes its mind and bails us out of the situation.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2025 03:51 PM (uWKK

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Any legislation would need 60 votes in the Senate to get past the filibuster.

It'd be nice, but, besides that hurdle, it's Congress. They do show votes and must pass spending bills and not much else.

I'm not entirely against this SCOTUS trying to save us, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:52 PM (GBKbO)

119 I said it in the last thread and it applies here too.

Trump is using the SCOTUS he helped fill to go after a lot of bad law. We made progress on Roe and the 2nd, now he wants to go after

- birthright citizenship
- commerce clause overreach (last thread)

I expect Kelo to be next. Watch him sue a Democrat state trying to get them to argue against Eminent Domain abuse.

He has a checklist.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 10, 2025 03:52 PM (A7fWT)

120 It's just too bad the 14th amendment when drafted didn't make explicit reference to "formerly enslaved people", as it was intended to apply to that group of citizens specifically.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 10, 2025 03:50 PM (kO68M)

It is a 'thing' that the Constitution never uses the term.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 03:52 PM (8avO+)

121 I, too, have made that argument but everyone yells at me.

Illegals aren't under the "jurisdiction" of the US any more than Indians on reservations were.

And if, as others have said, just being subject to US laws means you're under the "jurisdiction" of the US, then anyone who comes to the US, including diplomats or anyone else, or is in our exclusive economic zone is under our "jurisdiction" and why even have that language in there? Surely they meant something by the word "jurisdiction" (and we know what they meant - to exclude Indians)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

If you want to see who you have jurisdiction over, simply try to draft them into the military.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2025 03:53 PM (e2MJJ)

122 >>It's just too bad the 14th amendment when drafted didn't make explicit reference to "formerly enslaved people", as it was intended to apply to that group of citizens specifically.

The 14th is a Steamin Hot Pile of Shit.

It's been the justification for no end of ridiculous rulings that are patently unconstitutional, otherwise.

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2025 03:53 PM (Bi+MU)

123 116 It's still wild to me that even Wise Latina Sotamayor had to do the SCOTUS version of "KJB, you ignorant slut..."

Posted by: LizLem at July 10, 2025 03:52 PM (gWBY1)

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I prefer to think of it as "Ma'am, this is a Wendy's."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:53 PM (GBKbO)

124 But, just throwing up your hands and saying, "Well, case law says birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants is just settled," isn't correct. Because that's not what the controlling caselaw actually says.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:48 PM (GBKbO)

That's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm saying the best strategy (in my opinion) is to attack birthright citizenship from the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" side, in light of the Ark case.

Because it will be an easier pill for SCOTUS to swallow if they're "distinguishing" any new case from Ark, then if they're forced to overturn the case in it's entirety.

They can say "in Ark, his parents were permanent residents and subject to the jurisdiction of the US. In the case at bar, the parents are illegal aliens subject to the jurisdiction of Mexico, and thus they are not covered by the citizenship clause of the 14th."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 03:53 PM (uCjyK)

125 I expect Kelo to be next. Watch him sue a Democrat state trying to get them to argue against Eminent Domain abuse.

He has a checklist.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 10, 2025 03:52 PM (A7fWT)

He should grab the personal homes of all the blue state governors

Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 03:53 PM (8avO+)

126 Certainly there must be a friendly federal judge around who can un-injunction this!

Posted by: Weasel at July 10, 2025 03:54 PM (idFWj)

127 None of this stops until the Executive ignores the Judicial. Until then - the Executive is a lower branch that obeys the Judicial.

There is no cute and painless way around it. As of today, the Executive obeys the Judicial. It only stops when the Executive no longer obeys.

Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 10, 2025 03:54 PM (kSDAy)

128 I want this issue resolved by Congress. They are the ones who can legitimately do a balancing act like legalizing the current born-heres while barring citizenship going forward. And honestly, that is the best we are going to get. We can't even boot the "Dreamers", and they are by admission not citizens. We aren't going to boot people born here.

Working out acceptable policy trade-offs are why we pay people to be in Congress.

Posted by: The Cold Fish at July 10, 2025 03:54 PM (jc0TO)

129 I prefer to think of it as "Ma'am, this is a Wendy's."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:53 PM (GBKbO)

Oh my bad. I'll have a spicy chicken sandwich and a frosty.
-KJB.

Posted by: BruceWayne at July 10, 2025 03:54 PM (MGB5H)

130 > Maybe the Supremes should stop including in their majority opinions things akin to "Here's one way I could see others could get around what we concluded today...".
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This

It's been noted several times that SCOTUS always seems to provide a caveat, a loophole or whatever so that something they "might" like to see can be properly discharged in their court. It's another reason why I think this court has outlived its usefulness. Their proverbial thumb is on the scale.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 10, 2025 03:55 PM (Q4IgG)

131 >>I expect Kelo to be next. Watch him sue a Democrat state trying to get them to argue against Eminent Domain abuse.

That would be a shame.

He should use Kelo to strip Harvard and all of the other 'Private' Universities of their Real Estate Holdings.

They made due without a campus during Covid...so, no need to waste that Land when it could be developed for the benefit of the Citizenry.

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2025 03:55 PM (Bi+MU)

132 Huh?

Posted by: Ketanji Action Jackson at July 10, 2025 03:55 PM (UjdFS)

133 Any legislation would need 60 votes in the Senate to get past the filibuster.

It'd be nice, but, besides that hurdle, it's Congress. They do show votes and must pass spending bills and not much else.

I'm not entirely against this SCOTUS trying to save us, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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There is another way. Senate debatecloture via a talking filibuster. On any topic, a senator is limited to one floor speech however long it may be. Once the speakers list is exhausted, cloture occurs naturally because by the rules, no one else is allowed to speak on the matter.

Takes a month or two though of locking down the floor for no other legislation.

Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 03:55 PM (ctrM5)

134 Lowly District Court Judge Blows Off the Supreme Court

Maybe he's just trying to get ahead in this world?

Posted by: KAMALA at July 10, 2025 03:55 PM (5yGIt)

135 131 That would be a shame.

He should use Kelo to strip Harvard and all of the other 'Private' Universities of their Real Estate Holdings.

They made due without a campus during Covid...so, no need to waste that Land when it could be developed for the benefit of the Citizenry.
Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2025 03:55 PM (Bi+MU)

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Without Kelo, he can still use eminent domain. He just can't sell the land to a private entity.

Eminent domain Harvard and turn it into a prison.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:55 PM (GBKbO)

136 133 There is another way. Senate debatecloture via a talking filibuster. On any topic, a senator is limited to one floor speech however long it may be. Once the speakers list is exhausted, cloture occurs naturally because by the rules, no one else is allowed to speak on the matter.

Takes a month or two though of locking down the floor for no other legislation.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 03:55 PM (ctrM5)

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"For birthright citizenship? Are you crazy?"
-like...all of Congress

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:56 PM (GBKbO)

137 And if, as others have said, just being subject to US laws means you're under the "jurisdiction" of the US, then anyone who comes to the US, including diplomats or anyone else, or is in our exclusive economic zone is under our "jurisdiction" and why even have that language in there?"

Actually diplomats who are here officially are not subject to our laws, they're subject to the laws of their own country. If they do something that is particularly noxious, the most we can do is to expel them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2025 03:56 PM (uWKK8)

138 That standing Supreme Court precedent is why I do not believe the President can overturn it with just an EO, but Congress and the President acting together can.

I do not think it is a very good plan to hope that the SCOTUS changes its mind and bails us out of the situation.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2025 03:51 PM (uWKK

Viewed as a single entity, the SCOTUS is pretty psychotic, and some parts are braindead. The left arm is just twitching sporadically.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 03:56 PM (8avO+)

139 >>Eminent domain Harvard and turn it into a prison.

I was thinking a Migrant Holding Center with a dedicated Immigration Court...

but, I can be swayed.

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2025 03:57 PM (Bi+MU)

140 When you've lost Sotomayor and Kagan, it's time to hang it up.

Kagan is pretty damned smart for a communist. I don't disagree with her on just about everything, but she's pretty smart.

Sotomayor isn't overly bright, but at least she's not borderline retarded like Jackson.

Jackson is an embarrassment to the Court and the entire nation. I don't recall a muppet like her ever making it to the court before.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 10, 2025 03:57 PM (qpyNK)

141 110 It's just too bad the 14th amendment when drafted didn't make explicit reference to "formerly enslaved people", as it was intended to apply to that group of citizens specifically.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 10, 2025 03:50 PM (kO68M)

In hindsight, they should have been more clear in their language. That said, "slavery" (the word) was talked around a lot, it does not appear in the Constitution at all.

And writing a constitutional amendment / legislation is really difficult. You want it to be easily understandable, but you if are not very precise, judges will run in their own directions with the language. And even if you are precise, judges will read new meanings in to words, etc.

I think the way they wrote the 14th is good not great, but judges have just run with it.

Kind of like the 2nd Amendment. It's pretty clear what they were saying. And yet we have to have constant arguments over "well regulated militia." Could 2A have been written without that language? Yes. But I also see why no one thought that would be an issue when they drafted it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 03:57 PM (uCjyK)

142 >>> 131 I expect Kelo to be next. Watch him sue a Democrat state trying to get them to argue against Eminent Domain abuse.
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That would be a shame.

He should use Kelo to strip Harvard and all of the other 'Private' Universities of their Real Estate Holdings.

They made due without a campus during Covid...so, no need to waste that Land when it could be developed for the benefit of the Citizenry.
Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2025 03:55 PM (Bi+MU)

That and/or have DoJ sue various universities on behalf of whatever tribes are named in the retards' latest "land acknowledgment" for lease payments starting back when the campuses were formed.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 10, 2025 03:57 PM (ULPxl)

143 >>> Don't forget to salt the ashes. And you probably need an exorcism, too. Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 10, 2025 03:52 PM (ULPxl)

I don't know, the sequels in horror movie franchises teach me even then, that's not enough...

Speaking of, is the Conjuring franchise good? I saw the trailer for Last Rites and it intrigued me. Before I invest time in a new franchise, does the Conjuring as a series use horror as an excuse to bash religion? I hate when they do that.

Posted by: LizLem at July 10, 2025 03:58 PM (gWBY1)

144 I'm just a poi boy.

Posted by: Hawaiian Judge #7 at July 10, 2025 03:58 PM (0sNs1)

145 Whig,
I responded to your comment below. I was getting coffee.

But no matter, the moving blog has moved on.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 10, 2025 03:58 PM (A7fWT)

146 There is another way. Senate debatecloture via a talking filibuster. On any topic, a senator is limited to one floor speech however long it may be. Once the speakers list is exhausted, cloture occurs naturally because by the rules, no one else is allowed to speak on the matter.

Takes a month or two though of locking down the floor for no other legislation.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 03:55 PM (ctrM5)

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"For birthright citizenship? Are you crazy?"
-like...all of Congress
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 03:56 PM (GBKbO)

I agree that the old way of filibustering at least made them work for it to slow things down.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 03:58 PM (8avO+)

147 https://t.co/os7lW2cjme
PERRIS, CA — As an immigration enforcement drive continues to sweep California, a Riverside County mayor urged residents to take caution and stay inside
Perris Mayor Michael Vargas shared the city's message on Facebook, warning residents that the city had received reports of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement activity.
"We urge all residents to remain calm, stay indoors when possible, and know your rights. Do not go out unless necessary, stay at home and do not open the door to strangers. This message is for awareness and safety. The City is committed to protecting the dignity and well-being of all our residents. Please stay safe and continue to monitor official city communications," Vargas said.

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at July 10, 2025 03:58 PM (9aVck)

148 Eminent domain Harvard and turn it into a prison.

Want to bring college costs down? For the colleges to leave the big blue shitties.

That means not only will the cost to stay there go down, but the costs the colleges pay for their staff as well.

Cheaper to get an apartment in Western MA/Northern NH then in Boston.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 03:58 PM (t0Rmr)

149 > If they do something that is particularly noxious, the most we can do is to expel them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2025 03:56 PM (uWKK

Some of them take full advantage of this, committing offenses ranging from parking anywhere they feel like it and just ignoring the tickets, all the way up to felonies.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 10, 2025 03:58 PM (qpyNK)

150 mmmm shit pebbles
in my mouth

Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at July 10, 2025 03:58 PM (1E9DX)

151 They can say "in Ark, his parents were permanent residents and subject to the jurisdiction of the US. In the case at bar, the parents are illegal aliens subject to the jurisdiction of Mexico, and thus they are not covered by the citizenship clause of the 14th."
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 03:53 PM (uCjyK)
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If the left wins on this, then in addition to the class lawfare against abortion talked about up above, you can expect Trump will respond by barring pregnant women who are citizens of other countries from entering the United States.

Be careful what you wish for, lefties.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 10, 2025 03:59 PM (kO68M)

152 I'm just a poi boy.
Posted by: Hawaiian Judge #7 at July 10, 2025 03:58 PM

HE'S JUST A POI BOY FROM A POI FAMILY!!

Posted by: The Cold Fish at July 10, 2025 03:59 PM (jc0TO)

153 There shouldn’t even be district lawsuits. Just go on the assumption the judge rules against Trump and go right to circuit courts.

Save everyone a bunch of time and money.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 10, 2025 03:59 PM (ImXfC)

154 Actually diplomats who are here officially are not subject to our laws, they're subject to the laws of their own country. If they do something that is particularly noxious, the most we can do is to expel them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2025 03:56 PM (uWKK

And yet I see cars with Diplomat tags with parking tickets on them all the time.

So clearly they're subject to some of our laws.

But yes, that was why I used them as an example. Because clearly foreign diplomats, despite having to follow our laws about not parking in front of fire hydrants, are not "subject to the jurisdiction of the US"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 03:59 PM (uCjyK)

155 Mr. we could use a man like 'Cisco Franco again.

Protestia@Protestia
Spanish House Votes 311-33 To Jail Pastors For Counselling Against Homosexuality

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 10, 2025 04:00 PM (L/fGl)

156 > I don't disagree with her on just about everything, but she's pretty smart.

Thinko, obviously. I disagree with her on just about everything.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 10, 2025 04:00 PM (qpyNK)

157 If you want to see who you have jurisdiction over, simply try to draft them into the military.
Posted by: rickb223

That's not as conclusive as you might think.

Posted by: British Sailors press-ganging Americans in 1811 at July 10, 2025 04:00 PM (JCZqz)

158 How can you have standing to sue, when there are NO VICTIMS YET?

They literally are not born.... thus can show no damage... so how can they sue at all?

Especially as someone ELSE is declaring them a victim without any legal consent.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2025 04:00 PM (mP0Kj)

159 >>Trump is now floating amnesty for millions and millions of migrants working in hotels and farms

The Israeli Lobby wishes it had the Power of the Ag Lobby.

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2025 04:00 PM (Bi+MU)

160 My only hesitation about my Kelo comment above is that I think Trump benefited from eminent domain in Atlantic City to build a Casino. Not sure.

He may have a wrong-side view of the issue.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 10, 2025 04:00 PM (A7fWT)

161 > So clearly they're subject to some of our laws.

Nope. They just tear 'em up or throw them away.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 10, 2025 04:00 PM (qpyNK)

162 Supreme Coward Justice Amy Easily-Conned Barret thinks it's 1990 when it's actually 1917.

Posted by: Dad Was Right at July 10, 2025 04:00 PM (qUkBO)

163 The whole jurisdiction thereof nonsense has got to be the biggest MacGuffen ever.

Everybody in the US, whether a citizen or not is under some form of jurisdiction, be it locationally, procedurally or legally.

The 14th amendment and the authors are pretty clear who the provisions of the amendment applied to and was meant to deal with.

They even go out of their way to say the provisions do not apply to aliens.

I don't want to hear any nonsense that they were talking about diplomats.

The very concept of people entering the country illegally and popping out kids would have been completely foreign to them.

We've been living with this nonsense for too f**king long.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 10, 2025 04:01 PM (XV/Pl)

164 Like we've been saying for years, I really wish we could get better trolls than Sid around here. The "alias" comment currently at 150 is one of the dumbest yet.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 10, 2025 04:01 PM (kO68M)

165 * dog barks *

The dog barks, but the comments move on.

Posted by: Hawaiian Judge #7 at July 10, 2025 04:01 PM (0sNs1)

166 164 Like we've been saying for years, I really wish we could get better trolls than Sid around here. The "alias" comment currently at 150 is one of the dumbest yet.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 10, 2025 04:01 PM (kO68M)

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I think 150 aged better with time.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:01 PM (GBKbO)

167 Do not go out unless necessary, stay at home and do not open the door to strangers. This message is for awareness and safety. The City is committed to protecting the dignity and well-being of all our residents. Please stay safe and continue to monitor official city communications," Vargas said.
Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at July 10, 2025 03:58 PM (9aVck)
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Interesting. The good mayor is admitting his constituency is largely illegals? Or, is he conflating legal immigrants with illegal? Either seems, shall we say, unwise.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 04:01 PM (tT6L1)

168 >>> I expect Kelo to be next. Watch him sue a Democrat state trying to get them to argue against Eminent Domain abuse. He has a checklist. Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 10, 2025 03:52 PM (A7fWT)

That case in Cranberry NJ, where they want to pave over a generational family farm to build a ghetto housing project, horrifies me. Kelo needs to be next, to stop this madness.

Posted by: LizLem at July 10, 2025 04:01 PM (gWBY1)

169 Trump is a one man wrecking ball against the Deep State.

Posted by: jmel at July 10, 2025 04:02 PM (bVhJi)

170 >>> 143
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Speaking of, is the Conjuring franchise good? I saw the trailer for Last Rites and it intrigued me. Before I invest time in a new franchise, does the Conjuring as a series use horror as an excuse to bash religion? I hate when they do that.
Posted by: LizLem at July 10, 2025 03:58 PM (gWBY1)

I've only seen the first one but the family ended up getting help from an exorcist (unlike the hipster tards in ... not Blair Witch, what was that one with the couple being attacked in their home? oh, Paranormal Activity). So no bashing that I recall and in fact a rather positive view.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 10, 2025 04:02 PM (ULPxl)

171 160 My only hesitation about my Kelo comment above is that I think Trump benefited from eminent domain in Atlantic City to build a Casino. Not sure.

He may have a wrong-side view of the issue.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 10, 2025 04:00 PM (A7fWT)

Agreed, I would not trust a real estate developer from NYC to be against an expansive definition of eminent domain.

But that's not really my top priority right now.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 04:02 PM (uCjyK)

172 157 If you want to see who you have jurisdiction over, simply try to draft them into the military.
Posted by: rickb223

That's not as conclusive as you might think.
Posted by: British Sailors press-ganging Americans in 1811 at July 10, 2025 04:00 PM (JCZqz)

Which led to war, that we won, and ended up making Napoleon like us...

You know, the guy who sold us the land that more than DOUBLED the size of the US?

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2025 04:02 PM (mP0Kj)

173 I think 150 aged better with time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:01 PM (GBKbO)

Upon a second reading I think it's perfectly cromulent.

Posted by: BruceWayne at July 10, 2025 04:02 PM (MGB5H)

174 I think this is bait. It's not a Will to Power, it's a calculated strategy to either bog down all of Trump's initiatives in endless appeals, or else bait him into declaring publicly that he's ignoring a judicial order. That latter opens him up to massive PR damage and likely another impeachment.

Posted by: Daniel Ream at July 10, 2025 04:03 PM (LgYtf)

175 >>That case in Cranberry NJ, where they want to pave over a generational family farm to build a ghetto housing project, horrifies me. Kelo needs to be next, to stop this madness.

The way you stop is to Exploit it.

Let them challenge it.

Posted by: garrett at July 10, 2025 04:03 PM (Bi+MU)

176 173 I think 150 aged better with time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:01 PM (GBKbO)

Upon a second reading I think it's perfectly cromulent.
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 10, 2025 04:02 PM (MGB5H)

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Dude has a fetish, and he only comes here to share it with us.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:03 PM (GBKbO)

177 Some of them take full advantage of this, committing offenses ranging from parking anywhere they feel like it and just ignoring the tickets, all the way up to felonies.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 10, 2025 03:58 PM (qpyNK)

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What's the over/under on illegal alien Invaders who have auto insurance -- zero?

Posted by: ShainS -- Three Days To 'FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! Day' at July 10, 2025 04:03 PM (W8idE)

178 174 I think this is bait. It's not a Will to Power, it's a calculated strategy to either bog down all of Trump's initiatives in endless appeals, or else bait him into declaring publicly that he's ignoring a judicial order. That latter opens him up to massive PR damage and likely another impeachment.
Posted by: Daniel Ream at July 10, 2025 04:03 PM (LgYtf)

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Comment from January?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:03 PM (GBKbO)

179 This

It's been noted several times that SCOTUS always seems to provide a caveat, a loophole or whatever so that something they "might" like to see can be properly discharged in their court. It's another reason why I think this court has outlived its usefulness. Their proverbial thumb is on the scale.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 10, 2025 03:55 PM (Q4IgG)

I took those as a warning to the children in the lower courts that they were aware of this dodge. Like a mom telling kids to stop writing on the walls, then saying OR THE ROOF AND FLOOR TILES EITHER.

They really just need to strip this case from that judge and have someone else work it or drop it if it is just shit.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 04:03 PM (8avO+)

180 I think 150 aged better with time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:01 PM (GBKbO)
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well done.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 10, 2025 04:03 PM (kO68M)

181 >>> 155 Mr. we could use a man like 'Cisco Franco again.

Protestia@Protestia
Spanish House Votes 311-33 To Jail Pastors For Counselling Against Homosexuality
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 10, 2025 04:00 PM (L/fGl)

Curious where the 33 represent, all over the place and/or several from any particular region.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 10, 2025 04:04 PM (ULPxl)

182 >>> I don't disagree with her on just about everything, but she's pretty smart.
Thinko, obviously. I disagree with her on just about everything.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 10, 2025 04:00 PM (qpyNK)

Kagan is like Fetterman to me. Never, ever forget they are a lefty. But a broken clock can be right on occasion.

I think the left is going so far left, the ones that are even remotely sane are getting embarrassed by the outright insane ones. Finally.

Posted by: LizLem at July 10, 2025 04:04 PM (gWBY1)

183 What's the over/under on illegal alien Invaders who have auto insurance -- zero?
Posted by: ShainS -- Three Days To 'FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! Day' at July 10, 2025 04:03 PM (W8idE)

Here in New York, they drive around in beater cars with presumably fake temp tags from TX and NJ. And, for whatever reason, the west africans prefer NC plates.

I doubt any of the vehicles are insured, and I suspect that they are not paying their toll by plate tolls when they drive in and out of Manhattan.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 04:05 PM (uCjyK)

184 Dude has a fetish, and he only comes here to share it with us.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:03 PM

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Posted by: Quentin T. and Rex R. at July 10, 2025 04:05 PM (0sNs1)

185 Which led to war, that we won, and ended up making Napoleon like us...

You know, the guy who sold us the land that more than DOUBLED the size of the US?
Posted by: Romeo13

Meh...even Wikipedia has the result listed as "inconclusive". Our Canadian gambit, for example, didn't really pay off, and they did burn our capital lol.

Posted by: Military Moron at July 10, 2025 04:05 PM (JCZqz)

186 The Constitution is well written and very easy to understand unless you're a fucking retard.

-Shit Jefferson Said, Vol II

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 10, 2025 04:05 PM (2UnvF)

187 > You know, the guy who sold us the land that more than DOUBLED the size of the US?
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2025 04:02 PM (mP0Kj)

I'm not sure if he liked us, particularly, but rather that he couldn't defend it and didn't want the British to snatch it.

Same story with Alaska and the Russians. They sold it to us so the British wouldn't grab it (they were engaged in the so-called "Great Game" against the British at the time).

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 10, 2025 04:05 PM (qpyNK)

188 174 I think this is bait. It's not a Will to Power, it's a calculated strategy to either bog down all of Trump's initiatives in endless appeals, or else bait him into declaring publicly that he's ignoring a judicial order. That latter opens him up to massive PR damage and likely another impeachment.
Posted by: Daniel Ream at July 10, 2025 04:03 PM (LgYtf)

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Comment from January?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:03 PM (GBKbO)

well, a strategy to be able to block Congress or the executives is a will to power. The failure of the strategy is the SCOTUS is not playing ball entirely. They are just hoping that the bad eggs will just give it up. They are processing these too fast for the strategy to work. They have pretty much failed on the immigration cases by now.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 04:06 PM (8avO+)

189 What's the over/under on illegal alien Invaders who have auto insurance -- zero?
Posted by: ShainS -- Three Days To 'FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! Day' at July 10, 2025 04:03 PM (W8idE)

Here in New York, they drive around in beater cars with presumably fake temp tags from TX and NJ. And, for whatever reason, the west africans prefer NC plates.

I doubt any of the vehicles are insured, and I suspect that they are not paying their toll by plate tolls when they drive in and out of Manhattan.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 04:05 PM

You're both pretty young to be so cynical.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 10, 2025 04:06 PM (0sNs1)

190 Jackson is an embarrassment to the Court and the entire nation. I don't recall a muppet like her ever making it to the court before.
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We found her compelling and fully qualified to serve on a dignified body like the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Ghey Mitt, Worthless Collins and Murk at July 10, 2025 04:06 PM (TN0g+)

191 >>>>>That case in Cranberry NJ, where they want to pave over a generational family farm to build a ghetto housing project, horrifies me. Kelo needs to be next, to stop this madness.

ayo man wee need more dat affodoble housing more than some whypipo need some farm, what white people be doing out der anyway???

Posted by: Urban vote at July 10, 2025 04:06 PM (jGJov)

192 That case in Cranberry NJ, where they want to pave over a generational family farm to build a ghetto housing project, horrifies me. Kelo needs to be next, to stop this madness.
Posted by: LizLem at

That's Mt. Laurel -- a NJ Supreme Court decision. They mandate low income housing and the cities have spent 30 years trying to get around it. So I think it qualifies as a "public purpose" since the court requires that shit be built somewhere.

I don't know the solution to Mt. Laurel - maybe turn the whole fucking state into a prison -- garret, any ideas?

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 10, 2025 04:06 PM (A7fWT)

193 > I think the left is going so far left, the ones that are even remotely sane are getting embarrassed by the outright insane ones. Finally.
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Every time this happens, a little bit of legitimacy is ripped from the judiciary. Lately, it's happening a lot.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 10, 2025 04:07 PM (Q4IgG)

194 certification, shmertification

Posted by: runner at July 10, 2025 04:07 PM (g47mK)

195 Also, PA plates seem to be popular with the New New Yorkers.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 04:07 PM (uCjyK)

196 185 Which led to war, that we won, and ended up making Napoleon like us...

You know, the guy who sold us the land that more than DOUBLED the size of the US?
Posted by: Romeo13

Meh...even Wikipedia has the result listed as "inconclusive". Our Canadian gambit, for example, didn't really pay off, and they did burn our capital lol.
Posted by: Military Moron at July 10, 2025 04:05 PM (JCZqz)

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Our official goals were the ending of impressment, and not a whole lot else. The conquest of Canada was never mentioned in the articles of war drafted by Congress to start the conflict that was The War of 1812 which was a smaller part of England's Napoleonic Wars.

So, while the effort to take Canada failed, we fulfilled the declared intentions of Congress.

We won.

The victory ultimately didn't mean anything to Britain because they just stopped needing impressed sailors after defeating Napoleon, but that doesn't change the war from our perspective.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:07 PM (GBKbO)

197 You're both pretty young to be so cynical."

You misspelled "to be correct "

Posted by: man at July 10, 2025 04:07 PM (tubbA)

198 Sean Spicer
@seanspicer

@AlanDersh said he saw the entire Epstein list while proving his innocence:

"Documents are being suppressed to protect individuals. I know the names of the individuals. I know why they're being suppressed. I know who's suppressing them. But I'm bound by confidentiality."

https://tinyurl.com/3shsyydh
(Sean Spicer on X)

Dershowitz won in court, so he's not BSing here.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 10, 2025 04:08 PM (6ydKt)

199 Like we've been saying for years, I really wish we could get better trolls than Sid around here. The "alias" comment currently at 150 is one of the dumbest yet.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 10, 2025 04:01 PM (kO68M)

I wonder if the ASS troll even knows its droppings are being converted into turds in real time? You'd think, if it knew, it would give up or change tactics.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2025 04:08 PM (Bhbkm)

200 ayo man wee need more dat affodoble housing more than some whypipo need some farm, what white people be doing out der anyway???
Posted by: Urban vote at July 10, 2025 04:06 PM (jGJov)

Oh, I don't think it will be largely American blacks who benefit from this.

I think it will be New Americans of all races.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 04:08 PM (uCjyK)

201 let me find my certification stamp..it was here somewhere..OK! this is certified...

Posted by: runner at July 10, 2025 04:08 PM (g47mK)

202 Why Can't Johnny Read?

https://is.gd/56uh7W

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 10, 2025 04:08 PM (L/fGl)

203 198 Dershowitz won in court, so he's not BSing here.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 10, 2025 04:08 PM (6ydKt)

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OJ won in court, too.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:08 PM (GBKbO)

204 Scalia was enthusiastic about Kagan, because she is smart and he valued that. Of course, he's the same guy who had a friendship with RBG.

That kind of collegiality is misplaced in today's world. I'm hopeful that Justice A Black Woman Is Speaking will help destroy that tradition.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 10, 2025 04:09 PM (AQ1VH)

205 If District Court Judge had real balls he'd jail SCROUTUS for contempt.

Posted by: New Name at July 10, 2025 04:09 PM (/lPRQ)

206 Dershowitz won in court, so he's not BSing here.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 10, 2025 04:08 PM (6ydKt)

Dershowitz's biggest problem here is that he looks like a child molester.

It's like even if Lindsey Graham could prove in court that he wasn't gay, I'd still have some questions, ya know?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 04:09 PM (uCjyK)

207 And yet I see cars with Diplomat tags with parking tickets on them all the time.

So clearly they're subject to some of our laws.

But yes, that was why I used them as an example. Because clearly foreign diplomats, despite having to follow our laws about not parking in front of fire hydrants, are not "subject to the jurisdiction of the US"
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 03:59 PM (uCjyK)

We can ticket them, but does the US Govt require them be paid, or pay them themselves?

Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 04:09 PM (8avO+)

208 205 If District Court Judge had real balls he'd jail SCROUTUS for contempt.
Posted by: New Name at July 10, 2025 04:09 PM (/lPRQ)

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He stayed his own order, by the way.

This is resitoid points, and no more.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:10 PM (GBKbO)

209 Is Rule 23 like Order 66?

Posted by: Ian S. at July 10, 2025 04:10 PM (2ocoG)

210 >>> 187 You know, the guy who sold us the land that more than DOUBLED the size of the US?
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2025 04:02 PM (mP0Kj)

I'm not sure if he liked us, particularly, but rather that he couldn't defend it and didn't want the British to snatch it.

Same story with Alaska and the Russians. They sold it to us so the British wouldn't grab it (they were engaged in the so-called "Great Game" against the British at the time).

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 10, 2025 04:05 PM (qpyNK)

Alternate history idea: the US participation in WWI includes sending material to and through OMG Russia and somehow or other this ends up preventing their revolution.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 10, 2025 04:10 PM (ULPxl)

211 New Jersey is one of the top 5 states for Guatemalan population for some reason

Posted by: brak at July 10, 2025 04:10 PM (jGJov)

212 @204

>>he's the same guy who had a friendship with RBG.

And RGB essentially said the world is better that Scalia is off the court.

What a pal she was.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 10, 2025 04:10 PM (XV/Pl)

213 163 The whole jurisdiction thereof nonsense has got to be the biggest MacGuffen ever.

Posted by: Thomas Bender

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I don't think so. I think it is clear that you are either of someplace else, or not.

How can a person be subject to my jurisdiction if they are on my land without permission???? seems the first sentinel of being under my jurisdiction is NOT being here. They fail that.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 10, 2025 04:10 PM (A7fWT)

214 We can ticket them, but does the US Govt require them be paid, or pay them themselves?
Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 04:09 PM (8avO+)

I suspect they just ignore the tickets, but I don't know.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 04:10 PM (uCjyK)

215 140 When you've lost Sotomayor and Kagan, it's time to hang it up.

Kagan is pretty damned smart for a communist. I don't disagree with her on just about everything, but she's pretty smart.

Sotomayor isn't overly bright, but at least she's not borderline retarded like Jackson.

Jackson is an embarrassment to the Court and the entire nation. I don't recall a muppet like her ever making it to the court before.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 10, 2025 03:57 PM (qpyNK)

She be workin to right dem wrongs her an my race bin subjectified to sins dat slaveholder constitution-thing bin rote! She my hero! Ya all jus need ta sit yo asses down and shut de fuck up!

Posted by: Jasmine Crockett at July 10, 2025 04:10 PM (aBgBM)

216 "For birthright citizenship? Are you crazy?"
-like...all of Congress
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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House passes a lot of red meat bills; Senate, with no germaneness requirement then conglomerates all of those bills into a newer Deal and Even Greater Society to get rid old New Deal and Great Society.

Election fixes, welfare fixes, citizenship fixes, fixing the census, judicial misbehavior ,etc. are all possible after.

My guess is that is what will happen eventually one way or another. Either you get the legislative branch to vote for hari kari and make someone First Citizen or you get the cruder, "Me Chief, you squaw" from a despot.

Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 04:11 PM (ctrM5)

217 OJ won in court, too.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:08 PM (GBKbO)

The black jurors won in court and they all celebrated the victory together.

I mean, Dersh wwas accused of being an Epstein client.

In the video he explains, he's seen the documents, knows the names, but can't say anything because of a gag order from the judge.

I don't see any reason not to believe him on this one.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 10, 2025 04:11 PM (6ydKt)

218 I sort of assume Justice Roberts is getting very very tired to district court judges presuming they can go around SCOTUS rulings.

I also believe both Kagan and Sotomayor aren't wild about it either.

Be interesting to see how this comes down.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 04:11 PM (tT6L1)

219 211 New Jersey is one of the top 5 states for Guatemalan population for some reason
Posted by: brak at July 10, 2025 04:10 PM (jGJov)

Yes, NJ has become incredibly diverse in recent years. It is their strength.

In fact, driving through Edison, you might mistakenly believe you were in Mumbai.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 04:12 PM (uCjyK)

220 ‘Just as the good Justice Alito predicted’

The Blade predicted it too. Just sayin …

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at July 10, 2025 04:12 PM (0kxAA)

221 That case in Cranberry NJ, where they want to pave over a generational family farm to build a ghetto housing project, horrifies me. Kelo needs to be next, to stop this madness.
Posted by: LizLem at July 10, 2025 04:01 PM (gWBY1)
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The underlying need for affordable housing is itself a screaming instance of judicial overreach. New Jersey had a court case fifty years ago, called the "Mt. Laurel case" (can't recall the proper title offhand) where the state Supreme Court ordered communities to build "affordable housing". That case has been refined subsequently by additional cases, most recently under Chris Christie when the court ordered a reorganization of the state agency overseeing the Mt. Laurel obligations, but the issue has NEVER BEEN PASSED LEGISLATIVELY.

So Cranbury, which is a nice little town, has to find a place to build affordable housing. Because judges ordered it.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 10, 2025 04:12 PM (7RUmD)

222 re Dershowitz, here is a though, he might have see "a" list , but no necessarily "the" list. in other words there was some kind of list somebody put together based on who knows what.

Posted by: runner at July 10, 2025 04:12 PM (g47mK)

223 218 I sort of assume Justice Roberts is getting very very tired to district court judges presuming they can go around SCOTUS rulings.

I also believe both Kagan and Sotomayor aren't wild about it either.

Be interesting to see how this comes down.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 04:11 PM (tT6L1)

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Oh, I don't think Kagan and Sotomayor actually care. They're as partisan as anyone else. Kagan even did a talk 3 years ago where she said national injunctions by district court judges were bad law and needed to be stopped before she voted to not end them because Orange Man Bad.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:12 PM (GBKbO)

224 They mandate low income housing "

Funny about that... there doesn't seem to be a shortage - but still more being built. It's as if there was some mysterious source of funds...

Posted by: man at July 10, 2025 04:12 PM (tubbA)

225 *peeks in*

It's gonna suck when one day a judge makes a ruling and everyone just laughs and tells him/her to eff off.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 10, 2025 04:12 PM (W/lyH)

226 A CA man paid for his daughter's ambulance ride, accidentally leaving off his insurance information. He sent the service provider his insurance information, and they billed him MORE than before, even after his insurance company paid for part of the bill. He called the provider to resolve the issue, and the customer support rep informed him it wasn't a mistake. Here's video of that phone call:

http://tiny.cc/n43p001

Posted by: bonhomme at July 10, 2025 04:13 PM (lIio7)

227 source, you know

Posted by: runner at July 10, 2025 04:13 PM (g47mK)

228 None of this stops until the Executive ignores the Judicial. Until then - the Executive is a lower branch that obeys the Judicial.

There is no cute and painless way around it. As of today, the Executive obeys the Judicial. It only stops when the Executive no longer obeys.
Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 10, 2025 03:54 PM (kSDAy)

Yup. It should be made clear that the SCOTUS isn't the only institution that can read and interpret the Constitution.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at July 10, 2025 04:13 PM (g8Ew8)

229 Dershowitz was Epstein's lawyer when the latter got the sweetheart plea deal avoiding prosecution. He probably does have all kinds of insider info.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 10, 2025 04:13 PM (AQ1VH)

230 Dershowitz's biggest problem here is that he looks like a child molester.

It's like even if Lindsey Graham could prove in court that he wasn't gay, I'd still have some questions, ya know?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 04:09 PM (uCjyK)

I don't know the particulars of his case, but he says he proved in court his accuser was lying with the documents he says are being withheld.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 10, 2025 04:14 PM (6ydKt)

231 222 re Dershowitz, here is a though, he might have see "a" list , but no necessarily "the" list. in other words there was some kind of list somebody put together based on who knows what.
Posted by: runner at July 10, 2025 04:12 PM (g47mK)

The flight logs

Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 04:14 PM (VE6XX)

232 Oh, I don't think Kagan and Sotomayor actually care. They're as partisan as anyone else. Kagan even did a talk 3 years ago where she said national injunctions by district court judges were bad law and needed to be stopped before she voted to not end them because Orange Man Bad.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:12 PM (GBKbO)
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I was thinking of the recent 8-1 ruling, where even Kagan and Sotomayor sided with the administration while telling KJB to pound sand.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 04:14 PM (tT6L1)

233 >>> 226 A CA man paid for his daughter's ambulance ride, accidentally leaving off his insurance information. He sent the service provider his insurance information, and they billed him MORE than before, even after his insurance company paid for part of the bill. He called the provider to resolve the issue, and the customer support rep informed him it wasn't a mistake. Here's video of that phone call:

http://tiny.cc/n43p001
Posted by: bonhomme at July 10, 2025 04:13 PM (lIio7)

California? Let me guess: "You have insurance, so that means you're rich and can contribute more for the well-being of our Newcomers!"

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 10, 2025 04:14 PM (ULPxl)

234 232 I was thinking of the recent 8-1 ruling, where even Kagan and Sotomayor sided with the administration while telling KJB to pound sand.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 04:14 PM (tT6L1)

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The one where the ruling was that Trump was allowed to make plans?

Yeah, huge reach on their part.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:15 PM (GBKbO)

235 I don't know the particulars of his case, but he says he proved in court his accuser was lying with the documents he says are being withheld.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at July 10, 2025 04:14 PM (6ydKt)

I could be wrong, but my memory is that there was a settlement, which included her retracting her statement that Dershowitz raped her.

She could have been paid off, she could have been sincerely mistaken, or she could have run out of money to pay lawyers to defend her. I don't know.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 04:15 PM (uCjyK)

236 flight logs, party invite lists, can be anything

Posted by: runner at July 10, 2025 04:15 PM (g47mK)

237 The victory ultimately didn't mean anything to Britain because they just stopped needing impressed sailors after defeating Napoleon, but that doesn't change the war from our perspective.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:07 PM (GBKbO)

The post settlement Battle of New Orleans raised some eyebrows after we chopped the troops that beat Napoleon in Spain to hamburger. After that they wanted no part of provocations to the US and helped deter Monroe doctrine issues, thus closing down a distracting front in European wars. By the Mexican War era Canada could have been easily taken by the US Army that went to Mexico City. Better to both of us to demilitarize the region.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 04:15 PM (8avO+)

238 209 Is Rule 23 like Order 66?
Posted by: Ian S.

Chief Justice Palpatine > Chief Justice Roberts.

He even loves Democracy!

Posted by: Moron Math at July 10, 2025 04:15 PM (JCZqz)

239 190 Jackson is an embarrassment to the Court and the entire nation. I don't recall a muppet like her ever making it to the court before.
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We found her compelling and fully qualified to serve on a dignified body like the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Ghey Mitt, Worthless Collins and Murk at July 10, 2025 04:06 PM
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Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, & Lisa Murkowski all voted to confirm Jackson. Susan Collins voted not to confirm Trump nominee ACB.

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at July 10, 2025 04:15 PM (9aVck)

240 "Documents are being suppressed to protect individuals. I know the names of the individuals. I know why they're being suppressed. I know who's suppressing them. But I'm bound by confidentiality."

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Speaking of the Clintons, didja see how lucky we are?

Chelsea Clinton@ChelseaClinton
Members of the @ClintonGlobal community are on the ground in Texas, supporting families, communities and ongoing search and rescue efforts.

Thread: https://is.gd/BMg9uq

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 10, 2025 04:16 PM (L/fGl)

241 Friend of mine was the daughter of a oil-tanker sea captain. He ailed around the world in huge cargo ships filled with oil. Sometimes, he would have to spend months in end in foreign ports of call, waiting for the orders for a return journey. It was during one such instance that he was scheduled to be stuck for so long that he decided to have his wife fly over snd wait with him, living in the company-owned apartment until the ship paperwork was completed and the cargo filled.

Did I mention that that was...Iran, back in the Shah days? And that his wife was pregnant?

Well, you can guess what happened: They were forced by circumstance to wait to long that she ended up going into labor while still in Iran and gave birth there to her daughter (my friend). As a result, their daughter ended up with an Iranian birth certificate. (Neither parent was ethnically Iranian, BTW.)

And here's the point: Even so, the daughter was NOT automatically awarded Iranian citizenship. She was still considered an American citizen only.

(As an absurdist epilogue, when the da=ughter later went to college in the US, she applied for and got all sorts of scholarships aimed at Iranian students.)

Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2025 04:16 PM (pMi6S)

242 The one where the ruling was that Trump was allowed to make plans?

Yeah, huge reach on their part.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:15 PM (GBKbO)
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That I get but, after the court ruled and then a court promptly tried to go around what had already been decided, I think Kagan and possibly Sotomayor might be miffed someone dared presume on their turf, regardless of how they felt about the ruling.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 04:17 PM (tT6L1)

243 But what does Judge Judy say?

Posted by: She Rulz! at July 10, 2025 04:18 PM (av+kn)

244 Dershowitz was accused by Virginia Giuffre, a woman who made millions upon millions accusing prince Andrew based on some photograph. source..

Posted by: runner at July 10, 2025 04:18 PM (g47mK)

245 Did we just get lucky with Alito?

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at July 10, 2025 04:18 PM (jYRYu)

246 >>>And here's the point: Even so, the daughter was NOT automatically awarded Iranian citizenship. She was still considered an American citizen only.

that's how every sane country in the world does it, blood not soil

Posted by: brak at July 10, 2025 04:18 PM (jGJov)

247 Oh, I don't think Kagan and Sotomayor actually care. They're as partisan as anyone else. Kagan even did a talk 3 years ago where she said national injunctions by district court judges were bad law and needed to be stopped before she voted to not end them because Orange Man Bad.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:12 PM (GBKbO)
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I was thinking of the recent 8-1 ruling, where even Kagan and Sotomayor sided with the administration while telling KJB to pound sand.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 04:14 PM (tT6L1)

There have even been 9-0 rulings where even the leftiest Judge has been browbeaten into sustaining the obvious. Unless she has been activated and will now always support the coup.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 04:18 PM (8avO+)

248 Will the class action settlement payment be issued in the form of gift cards?

Posted by: Dirac_Delta at July 10, 2025 04:18 PM (/2DkY)

249 A judge issuing universal injunctions is just a 1 person legislature. SCOTUS needs to slap this down hard and these judges need to be fired.

Not impeached. The word impeached is not even mentioned in Article III. It say “good behavior”.

Being a leftwing asshat is not good behavior.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 10, 2025 04:18 PM (0kwZe)

250 Is Rule 23 like Order 66?"

More like a Number 6 Dance...

Posted by: man at July 10, 2025 04:18 PM (tubbA)

251 Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, & Lisa Murkowski all voted to confirm Jackson. Susan Collins voted not to confirm Trump nominee ACB.
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Thus confirming that "electing more Republicans" doesn't always solve the problem, since some of our Republicans don't seem to actually believe in anything. Susan Collins voted for Jackson but not ACB--absolutely amazing.

Posted by: Crusader at July 10, 2025 04:19 PM (TN0g+)

252 Again, the whole list? what list? nonsense has got to stop.

We were told for years there was an Epstein List/Black Book, we were told for years there was flight log? There have been people named from the Black Book/List/Flight Log, people have been dragged into court over Le Affaire Epstein.

And now we're being told, well.... the list wasn't really a list, well not in the way you're thinking, and Epstein's Dead and Ghislane's in jail and why do care, and STFU, it's child **** we can't show you anything, just get over it and yeah, we're going to send more weapons to Ukraine, you want Russia to win??

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 10, 2025 04:19 PM (XV/Pl)

253 How can a person be subject to my jurisdiction if they are on my land without permission???? seems the first sentinel of being under my jurisdiction is NOT being here. They fail that.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 10, 2025 04:10 PM (A7fWT)

EO... designate a NEW Native American Tribe, called the Illegals... then they are Indians not taxed... not full citizens and their children do not automatically become US Citizens.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2025 04:19 PM (mP0Kj)

254 The Constitution is well written and very easy to understand unless you're a fucking retard. -Shit Jefferson Said, Vol II
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 10, 2025 04:05 PM (2UnvF)

I wish!

Dave Rubin interviewed Glenn Beck on his show. (If you dislike them both, bear with me...) Glenn's poured his fortune into buying up US history, to protect it, and is working to build a museum for all of it in TX. Beck owns one of Jefferson's Korans that he used to study the enemy and learn how he thinks, to defeat him. Whereas lefties think it means Jefferson was a secret Muslim.)

But this is the COOLEST thing they discussed...all the legal papers from Roe V Wade went to auction, and Glenn's wife was the one that bought them! She is indifferent to his "buying history" crusade. But she's pro life, and when she learned they were up for auction, she was interested. She was worried if a lefty bought it, they would destroy any papers in it not flattering to the left.

He said to her, is the cost of it going to be too much? And she said, what is the cost of millions of babies killed? Can you put a price on that? So she fiercely bid for it. Think what you will of the Becks, good on them!

Posted by: LizLem at July 10, 2025 04:19 PM (gWBY1)

255 When these rogue judges come into their courtrooms to issue their unconstitutional nationwide injunctions, on the way to their seats do they do a little back-and-forth Sammy Davis Jr. dance and sing, "Here come de judge, here come de judge"??

Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2025 04:20 PM (pMi6S)

256 I could be wrong, but my memory is that there was a settlement, which included her retracting her statement that Dershowitz raped her.

She could have been paid off, she could have been sincerely mistaken, or she could have run out of money to pay lawyers to defend her. I don't know.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 04:15 PM (uCjyK)

Epstein and Ghislaine weren't kidnapping choir girls out of the convents. Most of the island livestock were recruited from women that were on the street already, and were promised an easier, more lucrative lifestyle servicing higher-class clients.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2025 04:20 PM (Bhbkm)

257 And now we're being told, well.... the list wasn't really a list, well not in the way you're thinking, and Epstein's Dead and Ghislane's in jail and why do care, and STFU, it's child **** we can't show you anything, just get over it and yeah, we're going to send more weapons to Ukraine, you want Russia to win??
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 10, 2025 04:19 PM (XV/Pl)

That about sums it up.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 04:20 PM (uCjyK)

258 >>> 253 How can a person be subject to my jurisdiction if they are on my land without permission???? seems the first sentinel of being under my jurisdiction is NOT being here. They fail that.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 10, 2025 04:10 PM (A7fWT)

EO... designate a NEW Native American Tribe, called the Illegals... then they are Indians not taxed... not full citizens and their children do not automatically become US Citizens.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2025 04:19 PM (mP0Kj)

DO IT ORANGE MAN BAD!!!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 10, 2025 04:20 PM (ULPxl)

259 242 That I get but, after the court ruled and then a court promptly tried to go around what had already been decided, I think Kagan and possibly Sotomayor might be miffed someone dared presume on their turf, regardless of how they felt about the ruling.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 04:17 PM (tT6L1)

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It was Kagan who concurred on the decision to allow Trump to follow the existing law and practice to send 8 criminal aliens, unwanted by their own country, to leave Djibouti and continue on their way to South Sudan.

She had a concurrence that chided Jackson for not knowing what she was talking about.

But, again, this is not some great stretch on Kagan's part. Roberts has pulled 9-0 decisions with regularity for decades now.

She's still deeply partisan, willing to throw out everything at a moment's notice. Like with the national injunctions process she denounced just a few years prior. That's much bigger than, "8 criminal aliens already out of the country can keep going."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:20 PM (GBKbO)

260 And yet I see cars with Diplomat tags with parking tickets on them all the time.

So clearly they're subject to some of our laws.

***

Speaking of...
Heard last week about a woman in Maryland with over 400 outstanding parking and moving violations valued at over $125,000 from DC. Turns out the good folks of the DC believe that going after offenders is racist. The drivers in VA and MD have figured this out. Result: $1.4 billion in unpaid fines going back five years.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 10, 2025 04:21 PM (W/lyH)

261 That I get but, after the court ruled and then a court promptly tried to go around what had already been decided, I think Kagan and possibly Sotomayor might be miffed someone dared presume on their turf, regardless of how they felt about the ruling.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 04:17 PM (tT6L1)

I have for the entire time been waiting for SCOTUS to get sick of these cases and actually act. If the lower courts can defy SCOTUS and the rules they have defined, well why do we need SCOTUS? just find a Trump judge and nationally injunct what we don't like. Or compel stuff we do like.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 04:21 PM (8avO+)

262 257 And now we're being told, well.... the list wasn't really a list, well not in the way you're thinking, and Epstein's Dead and Ghislane's in jail and why do care, and STFU, it's child **** we can't show you anything, just get over it and yeah, we're going to send more weapons to Ukraine, you want Russia to win??
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 10, 2025 04:19 PM (XV/Pl)

That about sums it up.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 04:20 PM (uCjyK)

Pretty depressing.. Maybe you 2 need some time away to chill...

Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 04:21 PM (VE6XX)

263 Scalia was enthusiastic about Kagan, because she is smart and he valued that. Of course, he's the same guy who had a friendship with RBG.

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Resting Bitch Gunt?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 10, 2025 04:22 PM (L/fGl)

264 250 Is Rule 23 like Order 66?"

More like a Number 6 Dance...
Posted by: man

If it is in the Constitution, there is porn of it.

Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2025 04:22 PM (pMi6S)

265
"Documents are being suppressed to protect individuals. I know the names of the individuals. I know why they're being suppressed. I know who's suppressing them. But I'm bound by confidentiality."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

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After watching the vid, it looks to me like Dersh means "the unjustly accused" when he refers to "perps." He's all about releasing the files in order to start proving everyone innocent.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 10, 2025 04:22 PM (UmB+t)

266 Epstein and Ghislaine weren't kidnapping choir girls out of the convents. Most of the island livestock were recruited from women that were on the street already, and were promised an easier, more lucrative lifestyle servicing higher-class clients.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2025 04:20 PM (Bhbkm)

They were children. Many from broken families and with past traumas, I'm sure. It's much easier to go after vulnerable girls if you're a pimp.

I don't see how that makes it any better that Epstein and co. preyed on the most vulnerable in our society.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 04:22 PM (uCjyK)

267 248 Will the class action settlement payment be issued in the form of gift cards?
Posted by: Dirac_Delta

+++

S & H Green Stamps.

Posted by: Get a toaster at July 10, 2025 04:22 PM (av+kn)

268 So back to the Supreme Court and get one of the men to set it right? By men, I mean Thomas or Alito.

Posted by: Ordinary American at July 10, 2025 04:22 PM (WHfpM)

269 >>> 263 Scalia was enthusiastic about Kagan, because she is smart and he valued that. Of course, he's the same guy who had a friendship with RBG.

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Resting Bitch Gunt?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 10, 2025 04:22 PM (L/fGl)

I doubt where she is now is all that restful.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 10, 2025 04:22 PM (ULPxl)

270 Yup. It should be made clear that the SCOTUS isn't the only institution that can read and interpret the Constitution.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons
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I am sure that Trump is aware of Andrew Jackson's veto message on rechartering the Second Bank of the US and his ignoring Scotus decisions that Justice Marshall dare not contest.

Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 04:22 PM (ctrM5)

271 264 Ha!

Posted by: Give gp Some Of That Good Stuff at July 10, 2025 04:23 PM (TwZXH)

272 270 Yup. It should be made clear that the SCOTUS isn't the only institution that can read and interpret the Constitution.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons
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I am sure that Trump is aware of Andrew Jackson's veto message on rechartering the Second Bank of the US and his ignoring Scotus decisions that Justice Marshall dare not contest.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 04:22 PM (ctrM5)

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He's got SCOTUS on his side now.

No reason to go nuclear and make any number of enemies out of it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:23 PM (GBKbO)

273
She's still deeply partisan, willing to throw out everything at a moment's notice. Like with the national injunctions process she denounced just a few years prior. That's much bigger than, "8 criminal aliens already out of the country can keep going."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:20 PM (GBKbO)
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I think, then, it will be a tussle between "How dare you play in my exclusive yard" and Kagan's leftism. Be interesting to see how it plays out.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 04:23 PM (tT6L1)

274 And yet I see cars with Diplomat tags with parking tickets on them all the time.

So clearly they're subject to so.”

Do you seriously think any of those tickets are ever paid?

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2025 04:23 PM (BDNZf)

275 263 Scalia was enthusiastic about Kagan, because she is smart and he valued that. Of course, he's the same guy who had a friendship with RBG.

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Resting Bitch Gunt?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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RBG was nasty about it after Scalia died that basically Scalia was a chump and RBG was strategically using him as needed.

Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 04:24 PM (ctrM5)

276 BTW,

- NJ has two egregious "laws" Mt Laurel decision is one, and for decades towns have been struggling on where to build low income housing. It is horrible and reason enough to never live in NJ. It is all a major scam, and all it does is ruin security for middle income people and ruin all the schools. Major cash for dems though.

- This is what Obama tried to bring to the whole country with his programs (I forget what they called them,) but he wanted to make suburbs and exburbs pay taxes to inner cities.

- the other egregious law is just as bad -- they take money from "wealthy" school districts and send it to failing ones. Last I looked I think Red Bank was getting over $50k per student and that was years ago. It harms the good towns and rewards the failing towns turning them into major grift factories.

Honestly, NJ is only tolerable for the grifters or the very wealthy, The entire state needs to be eradicated.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 10, 2025 04:24 PM (A7fWT)

277 Don’t get me started on class actions. That shit shouldn’t be allowed. It just makes it easier for lawyers to fleece large groups of people at once.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 10, 2025 04:24 PM (0kwZe)

278 designate a NEW Native American Tribe, called the Illegals.

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Ill Eagles.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 10, 2025 04:24 PM (L/fGl)

279 He's got SCOTUS on his side now.

No reason to go nuclear and make any number of enemies out of it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Agree. But you have to admit, a man willing to go it alone and bomb Iran is certainly willing to ignore Scotus if he must. And Roberts probably knows it now.

Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 04:25 PM (ctrM5)

280 I am sure that Trump is aware of Andrew Jackson's veto message on rechartering the Second Bank of the US and his ignoring Scotus decisions that Justice Marshall dare not contest.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 04:22 PM (ctrM5)

Or even Jefferson's response to Marbury when he said Courts "cannot issue a mandamus to the President or legislature, or to any of their officers."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 04:25 PM (uCjyK)

281 Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 04:15 PM (8avO+)

It was really the Civil War when Europe decided to stay out of that American nuthouse.

The savagery shown, and the technology that incremented into deadlier ways to KILL OUR OWN...

Could you imagine Waterloo if Napoleon had Parrot Rifled Artillery? or if the Brits had repeaters? or worser... the French Cav had Repeaters and thus the ability to break a square?

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2025 04:25 PM (mP0Kj)

282 >>> 277 Don’t get me started on class actions. That shit shouldn’t be allowed. It just makes it easier for lawyers to fleece large groups of people at once.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 10, 2025 04:24 PM (0kwZe)

We sent you a check for $5! Didn't you get it?!

Posted by: Dewey, Cheatem & Howe at July 10, 2025 04:25 PM (ULPxl)

283 Did we just get lucky with Alito?
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at July 10, 2025 04:18 PM (jYRYu)

A lot of Supremes have 'grown' in office. Mostly of the GOP variety. We should require the Supremes to reside in their district and only visit for deliberations and stay at hotels.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 04:26 PM (8avO+)

284 279 He's got SCOTUS on his side now.

No reason to go nuclear and make any number of enemies out of it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Agree. But you have to admit, a man willing to go it alone and bomb Iran is certainly willing to ignore Scotus if he must. And Roberts probably knows it now.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 04:25 PM (ctrM5)

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Oh, for sure. And he's obviously got some part of his legal team willing to do it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:26 PM (GBKbO)

285 Do you seriously think any of those tickets are ever paid?
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2025 04:23 PM (BDNZf)

Unlikely, but the meter maids still issue them.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 04:26 PM (uCjyK)

286 277 Don’t get me started on class actions. That shit shouldn’t be allowed. It just makes it easier for lawyers to fleece large groups of people at once.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 10, 2025 04:24 PM (0kwZe)

There's an old legal maxim that the law doesn't concern itself with trifles. FRCP 23 basically says if you have enough trifles, the law is concerned. It's a very stupid device that has only ever served the interests of plaintiffs' lawyers.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 10, 2025 04:26 PM (AQ1VH)

287
226 A CA man paid for his daughter's ambulance ride, accidentally leaving off his insurance information. He sent the service provider his insurance information, and they billed him MORE than before, even after his insurance company paid for part of the bill. He called the provider to resolve the issue, and the customer support rep informed him it wasn't a mistake. Here's video of that phone call:

http://tiny.cc/n43p001
Posted by: bonhomme at July 10, 2025 04:13 PM

Imagine there's no such thing as third party payer, it's easy if you try.

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 10, 2025 04:26 PM (fGmWu)

288 Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 10, 2025 04:24 PM (A7fWT)

I'm neither a grifter nor very wealthy and I would prefer that my state not be eradicated, only that it get fewer Democrats in office . I don't wish any other state to be eradicated either, only that they gets leftists out of government .

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 10, 2025 04:27 PM (2GCMq)

289 And here's the point: Even so, the daughter was NOT automatically awarded Iranian citizenship. She was still considered an American citizen only.

It's more complicated than that though, isn't it? IIRC she would have to have lived some certain number of years in the US by the time she turned 21.

I think if you were born and raised abroad until adulthood, even with two US parents, you aren't automatically a citizen if you claim it when you are 30.

I might be wrong on the both parents part, it might just be a problem if only one is.

Posted by: toby928 at July 10, 2025 04:27 PM (jc0TO)

290 280 Or even Jefferson's response to Marbury when he said Courts "cannot issue a mandamus to the President or legislature, or to any of their officers."
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 04:25 PM (uCjyK)

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Jefferson probably should have arrested John Marshall.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:27 PM (GBKbO)

291 ***Judge Blows Off the Supreme Court
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and no relation to Kamala Harris.

Injunction is good we need more and more TROs too.
Push SCOTUS into a corner where they must put a stop to it
or lose any relevance whatsoever.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 10, 2025 04:27 PM (Xlykt)

292 No I see "they" are stating the cuts to FEMA slowed their reaction time in Texas..... Really ? Four anonymous FEMA workers said so to CNN

Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 04:28 PM (VE6XX)

293 Thx W for appointing this stellar member of the judiciary

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 10, 2025 04:28 PM (JtH6i)

294 Under the jurisdiction of the united states. Hmmm. Can they be drafted?

Posted by: Muchas buchas at July 10, 2025 04:28 PM (bi3f0)

295 Up until some point children of the father derived their status from him. Wife too.

If husband/father had a visa for 'x' then the wife/children derived their status from him.
Same with 'greencard' and citizenship (whether natural or naturalized).

That is how a patriarchal society works.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 10, 2025 04:29 PM (/lPRQ)

296 >>> 292 No I see "they" are stating the cuts to FEMA slowed their reaction time in Texas..... Really ? Four anonymous FEMA workers said so to CNN
Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 04:28 PM (VE6XX)

Ok, so again, WTF is they/them excuse for the clusterfck in East TN / West NC?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 10, 2025 04:29 PM (ULPxl)

297 292 No I see "they" are stating the cuts to FEMA slowed their reaction time in Texas..... Really ? Four anonymous FEMA workers said so to CNN
Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 04:28 PM (VE6XX)

Now not no

Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 04:29 PM (VE6XX)

298 I have for the entire time been waiting for SCOTUS to get sick of these cases and actually act. If the lower courts can defy SCOTUS and the rules they have defined, well why do we need SCOTUS? just find a Trump judge and nationally injunct what we don't like. Or compel stuff we do like.
Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 04:21 PM (8avO+)
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You know, that's a fair observation. The lower courts are doing the court system no favors with these ludicrous rulings.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 04:29 PM (tT6L1)

299 >>> But this is the COOLEST thing they discussed...all the legal papers from Roe V Wade went to auction, and Glenn's wife was the one that bought them! She is indifferent to his "buying history" crusade. But she's pro life, and when she learned they were up for auction, she was interested. She was worried if a lefty bought it, they would destroy any papers in it not flattering to the left.

Er, can I see those documents? Alone? And yes, I always wear giant cargo pants with all the pockets, why do you ask?

Posted by: Sandy Berger at July 10, 2025 04:29 PM (gWBY1)

300 Thx W for appointing this stellar member of the judiciary
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 10, 2025 04:28 PM (JtH6i)

Are you talking about Alito?

Posted by: polynikes at July 10, 2025 04:29 PM (VofaG)

301 300 Thx W for appointing this stellar member of the judiciary
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 10, 2025 04:28 PM (JtH6i)

Are you talking about Alito?
Posted by: polynikes at July 10, 2025 04:29 PM (VofaG)

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Probably the district court judge. Appointed in 2007.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 04:30 PM (GBKbO)

302 Too bad SCOTUS can't vote its members off the island.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 10, 2025 04:30 PM (ULPxl)

303 Nood.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 10, 2025 04:30 PM (ExV1e)

304 241 Friend of mine was the daughter of a oil-tanker sea captain.

He ailed around the world...

Posted by: zombie

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I too have ailed around the world. Mostly on United.

I think I will use that as the title to my memoirs.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 10, 2025 04:30 PM (A7fWT)

305 Four anonymous FEMA workers said so to CNN

Possibly the same FEMA workers who didn't go to houses with a Trump sign.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 10, 2025 04:31 PM (2GCMq)

306 They were children. Many from broken families and with past traumas, I'm sure. It's much easier to go after vulnerable girls if you're a pimp.

I don't see how that makes it any better that Epstein and co. preyed on the most vulnerable in our society.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 04:22 PM (uCjyK)

I am saying that the prostitutes at Epstein Island were in fact prostitutes, even if under legal age, and they knew the score. The consent was at least implied. They may well have been vulnerable, but when they were recruited by Epstein's agents, they had a chance to say "no", and didn't. I'm sure Epstein's agents did one Hell of a selling job on them, to be sure. But, as far as we know, they weren't outright kidnapped. Running an op like that, they wouldn't want any of the "merchandise" to have a built-in reason to try to blow it up, would they?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2025 04:31 PM (Bhbkm)

307 No I see "they" are stating the cuts to FEMA slowed their reaction time in Texas..... Really ? Four anonymous FEMA workers said so to CNN
Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 04:28 PM (VE6XX)

Heh. Anonymous. Kinda says it all.
My BS meter is pegged, especially since FEMA is still working under last year's budget.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 10, 2025 04:31 PM (W/lyH)

308 And Ketanji Brown Jackson, she's something else.
Red pilling Sotomayor and Kagan, something that was on no one’s radar.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 10, 2025 04:32 PM (Xlykt)

309 They were children. Many from broken families and with past traumas, I'm sure. It's much easier to go after vulnerable girls if you're a pimp.

I don't see how that makes it any better that Epstein and co. preyed on the most vulnerable in our society.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Some were and some weren't from depositions in the Prince Andrew case plus the trial evidence in the earlier Palm Beach case. And some of the girls trolled for other likely targets including Virginia Giuffre. Whole sordid and evil matter which keeps getting repeated in society (there was a similar knocking shop scandal in Victorian England), Craig Spence, Barnie Frank, etc. France does not even consider it a crime if pubescent and also see the Brunal scandal who was a friend of Epstein.

And intel and/or law enforcement is right there to wire the places up, take photos, use the information for leverage, etc.

It is the pervasive desire for law enforcement and intel to get information and power at any cost and to subvert civil government to get it to go along. See also the widespread rape squads of Pakis in UK, Jimmy Saville, and police involvement in procuring and screwing kids.

Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 04:32 PM (ctrM5)

310 I see "they" are stating the cuts to FEMA slowed their reaction time in Texas..... Really ? Four anonymous FEMA workers said so to CNN

Posted by: It's me donna

Cuts to FEMA that don't occur until 2026. Pretty impressive time travel.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 10, 2025 04:32 PM (Vfq+S)

311 288 Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 10, 2025 04:24 PM (A7fWT)

eradicated either, only that they gets leftists out of government .
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Sorry Fen. Present company excluded. I have lots of emotion on this issue and may have gone hyperbolic.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 10, 2025 04:33 PM (A7fWT)

312 They were children. Many from broken families and with past traumas, I'm sure. It's much easier to go after vulnerable girls if you're a pimp.

I don't see how that makes it any better that Epstein and co. preyed on the most vulnerable in our society.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 10, 2025 04:22 PM (uCjyK)

I am saying that the prostitutes at Epstein Island were in fact prostitutes, even if under legal age, and they knew the score. The consent was at least implied. They may well have been vulnerable, but when they were recruited by Epstein's agents, they had a chance to say "no", and didn't. I'm sure Epstein's agents did one Hell of a selling job on them, to be sure. But, as far as we know, they weren't outright kidnapped. Running an op like that, they wouldn't want any of the "merchandise" to have a built-in reason to try to blow it up, would they?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2025 04:31 PM (Bhbkm)
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Some pf Epsteins girls were recruited out of NYC’s expensive private schools. They were rich girls.

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at July 10, 2025 04:33 PM (0kxAA)

313 No I see "they" are stating the cuts to FEMA slowed their reaction time in Texas..... Really ? Four anonymous FEMA workers said so to CNN
---------

You'll pardon my doubt that FEMA was ever designed to be a rapid-response unit that could magically remove all of the hurt from an emergency that literally developed in a matter of 3 or 4 hours. There isn't/wasn't a FEMA equivalent of "Criminal Minds" where the agents had a "to go bag" loaded and ready 24/7, and no commander of this mythical unit to assert "Wheels up in 45 minutes". Local governments exist for a reason (or used to--now they only exist for the grift). This isn't on FEMA.

Posted by: Crusader at July 10, 2025 04:33 PM (TN0g+)

314 Nood is up, everyone.

Posted by: Nazdar at July 10, 2025 04:33 PM (NcvvS)

315 294 Under the jurisdiction of the united states. Hmmm. Can they be drafted?
Posted by: Muchas buchas at July 10, 2025 04:28 PM (bi3f0)

I've advocated more than once the creation of the American Foreign Legion... all volunteers but spend 8 years in and get citizenship....

BUT, they are used like the French do... where they are not EVER deployed in any US State. We currently have troops in over 90 other countries... that is what we use them for.

EARNED citizenship.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2025 04:33 PM (mP0Kj)

316 >>> 306
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I am saying that the prostitutes at Epstein Island were in fact prostitutes, even if under legal age, and they knew the score. The consent was at least implied. They may well have been vulnerable, but when they were recruited by Epstein's agents, they had a chance to say "no", and didn't. I'm sure Epstein's agents did one Hell of a selling job on them, to be sure. But, as far as we know, they weren't outright kidnapped. Running an op like that, they wouldn't want any of the "merchandise" to have a built-in reason to try to blow it up, would they?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2025 04:31 PM (Bhbkm)

You really believe *all* (or even most) of the "prostitutes" could be categorized this way? I am very doubtful, just based on the attitudes we see from the scumbags we *do* know about.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 10, 2025 04:34 PM (ULPxl)

317 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2025 04:31 PM (Bhbkm)

I agree but that's a controversial point of view to take. I have no desire to argue with people who say that view is defending Epstein.

Posted by: polynikes at July 10, 2025 04:35 PM (VofaG)

318 Could you imagine Waterloo if Napoleon had Parrot Rifled Artillery? or if the Brits had repeaters? or worser... the French Cav had Repeaters and thus the ability to break a square?
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2025 04:25 PM (mP0Kj)

If I recall my ACW wargame where a Parrot was involved, those things were crap at killing troops in the field. Had huge range, but a small charge. Might have been able to beat down guns, but the reverse slope tactic would make that hard. Elevation changes in Belgium are mild, and trees would block field of fire as well.

Pistol and sword armed cavalry "Reiters" existed long before this time but were no longer in use. They carried multiple pistols, not sure if a revolver would tip the balance. With ring bayonets, the horses could be shot down at a decent rate even in square.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 04:35 PM (8avO+)

319 I am saying that the prostitutes at Epstein Island were in fact prostitutes, even if under legal age, and they knew the score. The consent was at least implied. They may well have been vulnerable, but when they were recruited by Epstein's agents, they had a chance to say "no", and didn't. I'm sure Epstein's agents did one Hell of a selling job on them, to be sure. But, as far as we know, they weren't outright kidnapped. Running an op like that, they wouldn't want any of the "merchandise" to have a built-in reason to try to blow it up, would they?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

We know more about his Palm Beach ops and a bit about Pedo Island via the Prince Andrew lawsuit. We know not as much about his long running NYC condo and his even more secretive NM ranch. Brunal, his buddy modeling agency in France, apparently was involved in facilitating rape among other atrocities. And I am sure the DXB knows all about it as Brunal was most likely a French intel and law enforcement asset. I think Brunal also imported a lot of his victims which made it easier for the French to look away.

Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 04:35 PM (ctrM5)

320 I've advocated more than once the creation of the American Foreign Legion... all volunteers but spend 8 years in and get citizenship....

BUT, they are used like the French do... where they are not EVER deployed in any US State. We currently have troops in over 90 other countries... that is what we use them for.

EARNED citizenship.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2025 04:33 PM (mP0Kj)

I think we already just incorporate non citizen volunteers into the normal army.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 04:36 PM (8avO+)

321 But, as far as we know, they weren't outright kidnapped. Running an op like that, they wouldn't want any of the "merchandise" to have a built-in reason to try to blow it up, would they?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

But they were coerced. Some were eased into it by being asked to do "massages" and then getting more and more disgusting by enticing them with pressure, money, and "the implications."

It was what pimps do and there is a reason it is considered evil.

And my understanding is that they were trolling for girls at Mar a Largo. Where they street girls? One was daughter of a member.
None of this can be defended. It may not have been illegal, but it was disgusting.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 10, 2025 04:37 PM (A7fWT)

322 >>>
I am saying that the prostitutes at Epstein Island were in fact prostitutes, even if under legal age, and they knew the score. The consent was at least implied. They may well have been vulnerable, but when they were recruited by Epstein's agents, they had a chance to say "no", and didn't. I'm sure Epstein's agents did one Hell of a selling job on them, to be sure. But, as far as we know, they weren't outright kidnapped. Running an op like that, they wouldn't want any of the "merchandise" to have a built-in reason to try to blow it up, would they?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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They may not have been prostitutes but they were in positions/lifestyle/poor or abusive parenting that put them on a downward life trajectory.

It was in testimony that they were told that when they left Epstein they would be in better shape/circumstance than when they came. There is little doubt that the hundreds that did not come forward would agree.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 10, 2025 04:37 PM (Xlykt)

323 Jefferson probably should have arrested John Marshall.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Jefferson and Madison obstructed justice by destroying evidence in litigation so all three should have been in the hoosegow.

Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 04:38 PM (ctrM5)

324 Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 10, 2025 04:37 PM (A7fWT)

Pimps control mostly with fear.

Posted by: polynikes at July 10, 2025 04:39 PM (VofaG)

325 No I see "they" are stating the cuts to FEMA slowed their reaction time in Texas..... Really ? Four anonymous FEMA workers said so to CNN
---------

You'll pardon my doubt that FEMA was ever designed to be a rapid-response unit that could magically remove all of the hurt from an emergency that literally developed in a matter of 3 or 4 hours. There isn't/wasn't a FEMA equivalent of "Criminal Minds" where the agents had a "to go bag" loaded and ready 24/7, and no commander of this mythical unit to assert "Wheels up in 45 minutes". Local governments exist for a reason (or used to--now they only exist for the grift). This isn't on FEMA.
Posted by: Crusader at July 10, 2025 04:33 PM (TN0g+)

Cuts or no cuts, the Weather Service had all hands on deck so more people were at work in this disaster from the get-go in trying to warn the area. Ground assistance I have no info on.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 10, 2025 04:39 PM (8avO+)

326 My favorite part of the birthright citizenship saga is the Chinese travel agency birthright tours!

R/T trips for no other purpose than to deliver the baby in the U.S., & claim U.S. citizenship like a prize in a crackerjack box.

I suspect very few Americans have ever heard of this. If they ever do, I think there will be a tidal wave of anti-birthright opinion.

Posted by: mnw at July 10, 2025 04:40 PM (kd60y)

327 >>>
It is the pervasive desire for law enforcement and intel to get information and power at any cost and to subvert civil government to get it to go along. See also the widespread rape squads of Pakis in UK, Jimmy Saville, and police involvement in procuring and screwing kids.
Posted by: whig
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A professional felon told me that cops and felons are two sides of the same coin. Many cops and felons will sit down and talk shop.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 10, 2025 04:40 PM (Xlykt)

328 >>>Cuts or no cuts, the Weather Service had all hands on deck so more people were at work in this disaster from the get-go in trying to warn the area. Ground assistance I have no info on.
Posted by: Oldcat
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Yeah. And as if FEMA would have been any help on the ground: See Carolina.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 10, 2025 04:44 PM (Xlykt)

329 Mexico, f'king Mexican rescue team was in Kerrville before FEMA.
Is FEMA there yet?
Samaritan's Purse was on it's was the day after.
Is FEMA there yet?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 10, 2025 04:46 PM (Xlykt)

330 Calling hind tit. .....again

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 10, 2025 04:47 PM (Xlykt)

331 But you should search "Rule 34 My Little Pony" images.

* opens new tab *

Posted by: Admiral Ackbar

Um......

* closes tab *

* eaten up with curiosity *

Posted by: Oddbob at July 10, 2025 04:52 PM (/y8xj)

332 Judge Nobody will get his name in the papers. The MSM will write about his bravery.

He will save these clippings and use them for glory days jerk off sessions.

End of story.

Posted by: Darth Doodah at July 10, 2025 04:55 PM (Vu7A1)

333 The lawsuit was filed on behalf of a pregnant woman, two parents and their infants.

"The deprivation of U.S. citizenship and an abrupt change of policy that was long-standing … that's irreparable harm."

Oh, I don't like that little summary at all.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 10, 2025 04:56 PM (NFX2v)

334 Well, I was moving down the road in my V-8 Ford
I had a shine on my boots, I had my sideburns lowered
With my New York brim and my gold tooth displayed
Nobody give me trouble 'cause they know I got it made

I'm bad, I'm nationwide
Well, I'm bad, bad, bad, bad, bad,

I'm nationwide,

yeah, yeah

Posted by: U.S. District Judge Joseph Laplante at July 10, 2025 05:04 PM (wVcYX)

335 I don't know whether this order follows Rule 23, but it's not the most outrageous order so far, by quite a margin. I kinda sorta see a "class" being appropriate here, but it's silly to claim there would be "irreparable" harm. If in its lawlessness and arrogance the judiciary pretends to believe there's anything remotely resembling birthright citizenship under existing law or the constitution (not under court-made-up "law"), then this "class" can easily have whatever "harm" it has suffered remedied. So, "easily reparable harm".

Posted by: rhomboid at July 10, 2025 05:08 PM (1m82a)

336 FEMA is an emergency MANAGEMENT agency. Not an emergency response one.

Posted by: toby928 at July 10, 2025 05:09 PM (jc0TO)

337 They are just post disaster moneybags.

Posted by: toby928 at July 10, 2025 05:09 PM (jc0TO)

338 So NOW we can certify a protected class of as-yet "unborn babies" ???

Good lord what a load of bullshit

Posted by: deadrody at July 10, 2025 05:09 PM (vgB0v)

339 There are several agencies that have morphed into literally unrecognizable clownshows since I knew them well, perhaps FEMA is one of them. Back in the day, and by their mission and statute, they're mostly about funding/assisting/coordinating *state and local* governments for disaster prep, mitigation, and response. Not even sure the bit about funding post-disaster aid isn't somewhat new (Katrina).

So I don't know. But I do know that for a very long time FEMA was not people think it is. But in all areas it seems history started 3 weeks ago, in this comment section, and on every topic.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 10, 2025 05:11 PM (1m82a)

340 Note the class includes people not yet born.

"Warren Rudman Courthouse" That's the Senator that sold George Bush on David Souter.

Posted by: MikeN at July 10, 2025 05:17 PM (HVZOH)

341 But in all areas it seems history started 3 weeks ago, in this comment section, and on every topic.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 10, 2025 05:11 PM

This is the way.

Posted by: toby928 at July 10, 2025 05:17 PM (jc0TO)

342 Just another unelected Judge who needs to be retired Might I suggest a Menal Institution padded cell and Straight Jacket

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at July 10, 2025 06:11 PM (wGqjj)

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