Wednesday Morning Rant

Flows

The unprecedented peacetime migration that kicked off in earnest when the world ended in 2020 is not without consequence. Initially, the coverage of the migration was largely centered around changes in employment and consequences for "the future of work." A lot of people quit their jobs from 2020-2022 and moved on - so many that this period has been dubbed "The Great Resignation" by Anthony Klotz of the University College (London) - a term immediately glommed onto by the press. Setting aside the huge churn in the employment market, the real consequence was not the moving on from jobs, but the moving away from home.

Starting last year, the effects of our great migration have finally started to pick up some press notice. Newsweek covered the internal trends of declines in California and New York. On Independence Day, Legal Insurrection covered the demographic trend of Illinois' decline, noting that it's the young who are fleeing more than other groups. The states experiencing the greatest outflows are in for a rough time if the trend doesn't reverse - and it doesn't look to be reversing.

There is, however, a flip side to outflow: inflow. It's not necessarily a picnic for those on the receiving end of the migratory flows. Where I live today is an example, and I am part of the phenomenon (or, if you were to ask the natives here, part of the problem - a position they are not unjustified in holding). I am a blue state refugee. I pulled up stakes and fled Colorado for saner, much redder pastures during the migratory surge. Many view me with suspicion by default. Nobody likes interlopers who come in screw around with what's working. That is a trepidation I share, because it's what made me a blue state refugee in the first place. The colonization of Colorado by California makes me view former blue staters with, at best, extreme suspicion - even though I am one of them myself.

I was surprised to learn that there is an entire reason for suspicion that I never knew about before. Among the non-politically-inclined, the reasons are fairly obvious: those damn out-of-towners are flooding in and making things expensive, the traffic is worse, accents are unfamiliar, etc. There's certainly some truth to that. Among the politically-inclined of the conservative persuasion, the fear is more existential. Having seen the effects of progressive raveners on the Interior West, they have a mixture of terror and hatred for former blue state interlopers. Nobody wants to have what happened to Colorado and New Mexico happen to them.

It was at a recent social event that I learned of a third. It turns out - to my great surprise - that the progs fear it, too. I figured they would be thrilled with the massive inflow of people from places like California and New York, but they also feel trepidation. I met a number of people of the progressive persuasion and the topic of "new people" came up. These are natives of my area, and leftists. They were conversing passionately about the risks of inflow from California in particular, as I stood there listening with fascination. They fear "conservative Californians" flooding in and making the state permanently unattainable for progressives. They see no future for local progressive politics if the new arrivals are non-leftists who will create an even greater headwind against "progress" than there already is.

I have long asserted - and I still believe - that whether the destinations favored by the fleeing blue staters survive depends entirely on whether those fleeing are colonists looking to "improve" their new homes, or whether they are refugees looking to hold the line after seeing their former homes destroyed by progressive politics. My fear, since day zero, has been that there are too many colonists coming in. I was astounded to learn that the progs fear the opposite, that there are too many regressive knuckle-draggers coming in for them to achieve the utopia denied to them by the regressive knuckle-dragging natives.

The jury is very much still out. Whether the net inflow in any given place is colonist or refugee is yet to be determined, but it was very interesting to learn that - at least in some of those places - the progs are afraid of it, too. They fear the inflow will put their ambitions permanently out of reach. For perhaps the first time in my life, I hope that the progs are right.

Posted by: Joe Mannix at 11:00 AM

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1 The Left ruins everything.

Posted by: ... at July 09, 2025 11:00 AM (Qr870)

2 Speaking of flows. It appears Linda is flowing out.

Eric Daugherty
@EricLDaugh
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🚨 BREAKING: The CEO of 𝕏 just resigned, Linda Yaccarino.

Posted by: WisRich at July 09, 2025 11:03 AM (G0vdT)

3 Nobody likes interlopers who come in screw around with what's working. That is a trepidation I share, because it's what made me a blue state refugee in the first place.

Case in point: NoVa. When I was a yoot, this was a pretty conservative area with lots of military, and was until not that long ago. However, it has now become Berkeley East. It's a huge surprise when anyone not a hardcore leftist gets elected to anything.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 09, 2025 11:03 AM (Riz8t)

4 My flow? Linoleum.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at July 09, 2025 11:04 AM (IcZqk)

5
I have no idea who's left in Pennsylvania. Old Catholic ladies and brain-dead union retirees, I suppose.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 09, 2025 11:04 AM (HZi96)

6 Dopey Joe's doctor, Kevin O’Connor, just took the Fifth.

Oh, so maybe he was lying when you certified, on multiple occasions, that Dopey was Just Fine? Possibly? Ya think?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 09, 2025 11:05 AM (qpyNK)

7 Good morning. A night of sleep has refreshed my outlook. This is the day the Lord hath made. Let us rejoice and be glad in it!

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at July 09, 2025 11:05 AM (ZVgZ4)

8 They're not called "blue locusts" for nothing.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 09, 2025 11:05 AM (Q4IgG)

9 Colorado is the state that I have seen ruined the most.

Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2025 11:05 AM (VofaG)

10 Another outflow: Douglass Mackey, the guy who got sentenced in NY federal court for tweeting a text-to-vote meme before the 2016 election, got his conviction overturned on appeal. https://tinyurl.com/42yrm9pb

Posted by: Octochicken at July 09, 2025 11:06 AM (oCS0o)

11 The Left ruins everything.

Posted by: ... at July 09, 2025 11:00 AM (Qr870)

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"Is best feature -- not big -- of nihilistic death cult, comrade!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Make The AG Gaetz Again! at July 09, 2025 11:06 AM (nH+RN)

12 I have no idea who's left in Pennsylvania. Old Catholic ladies and brain-dead union retirees, I suppose.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 09, 2025 11:04 AM (HZi96)

Meth heads?

Posted by: Octochicken at July 09, 2025 11:06 AM (oCS0o)

13 Case in point: NoVa. When I was a yoot, this was a pretty conservative area with lots of military, and was until not that long ago. However, it has now become Berkeley East. It's a huge surprise when anyone not a hardcore leftist gets elected to anything.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 09, 2025 11:03 AM (Riz8t)

I worked in Chantilly from 2010-15. I liked the area a lot.
Was back there over this Fourth. A totally different vibe and very lefty. And a shitload more foreigners.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 09, 2025 11:07 AM (W/lyH)

14 Dopey Joe's doctor, Kevin O’Connor, just took the Fifth.

Oh, so maybe he was lying when you certified, on multiple occasions, that Dopey was Just Fine? Possibly? Ya think?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 09, 2025 11:05 AM

Gee, what could his doctor have done or said that could possibly incriminate him in some criminal activity? Seems really weird for a doctor to be taking the 5th, doesn't it?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 09, 2025 11:07 AM (dPfyF)

15 Another outflow: Douglass Mackey, the guy who got sentenced in NY federal court for tweeting a text-to-vote meme before the 2016 election, got his conviction overturned on appeal. https://tinyurl.com/42yrm9pb
Posted by: Octochicken at July 09, 2025 11:06 AM (oCS0o

Thank god . The Left have no self awareness of their fascism .

Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2025 11:07 AM (VofaG)

16 5
I have no idea who's left in Pennsylvania. Old Catholic ladies and brain-dead union retirees, I suppose.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 09, 2025 11:04 AM (HZi96)
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Mostly correct. I mean, out here in the hinterlands there are more reasonable people - you're not going to find many progressives in Elk County, for example, or any Pride Parades in Coudersport - but the urban centers (including smaller cities like Erie and Johnstown) and their satellites are pretty much as you've described.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at July 09, 2025 11:08 AM (F30Bl)

17
As a counterpoint, look at Florida. Part of the Solid South, then on the political knife edge, large influx of Noo Yawkers, now solid red.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 09, 2025 11:08 AM (HZi96)

18 I have no idea who's left in Pennsylvania. Old Catholic ladies and brain-dead union retirees, I suppose.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

They still have the vampires and werewolves, right?

Oh, wait. You said PENNsylvania. My bad.

Posted by: Bulg at July 09, 2025 11:09 AM (77rzZ)

19 Mostly correct. I mean, out here in the hinterlands there are more reasonable people - you're not going to find many progressives in Elk County, for example, or any Pride Parades in Coudersport - but the urban centers (including smaller cities like Erie and Johnstown) and their satellites are pretty much as you've described.
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at July 09, 2025 11:08 AM (F30Bl)

The Unions aren’t progressive but they are Dem.

Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2025 11:09 AM (VofaG)

20 > Dopey Joe's doctor, Kevin O’Connor, just took the Fifth.

https://tinyurl.com/yc5kb6hm

(Politico link, sorry)

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 09, 2025 11:10 AM (qpyNK)

21 I was astounded to learn that the progs fear the opposite, that there are too many regressive knuckle-draggers coming in for them to achieve the utopia denied to them by the regressive knuckle-dragging natives.
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There's a fourth flow that affects this equation as well. Which group is reproducing at a faster rate in those locations? The progs? Or the "regressive knuckle-dragging natives?"

The future belongs to those who show up.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 09, 2025 11:10 AM (7fElN)

22 If the garbage strike is still on in Filthydelphia, those leaving the state should be forced to take a couple Hefty bags of trash along when they emigrate.

Posted by: Practical Pat at July 09, 2025 11:11 AM (G5+As)

23 Ted Cruz won re-election against Beto almost entirely because of transplant conservatives who voted overwhelmingly for him.

The Blue Locust waves of the 80's and 90's that flipped several red states, is now being followed by Red Bees fighting back.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 09, 2025 11:11 AM (T/tp/)

24 This is all about me, isn't it.

Posted by: Flo from Progressive at July 09, 2025 11:11 AM (LxER7)

25 > The future belongs to those who show up.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 09, 2025 11:10 AM (7fElN)

Right now that looks like the three Ms -- Mormons, Mexicans, and Muslims.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 09, 2025 11:11 AM (qpyNK)

26 Colorado was turned Communist with stunning rapidity. It was in no way gradual. Ten years, 15 max. Done.

It's already yielding the expected results. Ten more years, again at maximum, and it will look no different than the States dominated by other Heart of Darkness cities on the West Coast.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2025 11:13 AM (BI5O2)

27
Right now that looks like the three Ms -- Mormons, Mexicans, and Muslims.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 09, 2025 11:11 AM (qpyNK)

_________

Nothing is more heartwarming than to go to Mass and see a young family with five or six kids, the boys dressed like gentlemen and the girls in chapel veils.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 09, 2025 11:13 AM (HZi96)

28 There is, however, a flip side to outflow: inflow.

Good inflow: Like RedMindBlueState - getting tfo

Bad inflow: Toyota moving their entire California HQ to Plano/Frisco, Texas.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2025 11:13 AM (DNyHT)

29 I have long asserted - and I still believe - that whether the destinations favored by the fleeing blue staters survive depends entirely on whether those fleeing are colonists looking to "improve" their new homes, or whether they are refugees looking to hold the line after seeing their former homes destroyed by progressive politics. My fear, since day zero, has been that there are too many colonists coming in. I was astounded to learn that the progs fear the opposite, that there are too many regressive knuckle-draggers coming in for them to achieve the utopia denied to them by the regressive knuckle-dragging natives.

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I've said for a while that the pattern of the Great Migration starting in 2020 was this:

Progressives flee blue cities for the suburbs. Conservatives flee blue states for red states.

There will always be exceptions and anecdotes, but the sudden, hard shift of FL, the reddening of places like PA and NC based on voter registration trends, and the always a day away dream of Blue Texas all tell me that my assumption is right.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 11:13 AM (GBKbO)

30 Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 09, 2025 11:11 AM (T/tp/)

IMO It was only relatively close because of the transplants that voted against him and the outside blue state financial support for Beto.

Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2025 11:13 AM (VofaG)

31 > Seems really weird for a doctor to be taking the 5th, doesn't it?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 09, 2025 11:07 AM (dPfyF)

Weird indeed. I don't remember any case where it's happened before, though no doubt there are some.

Usually it's just "doctor-patient privilege", which he also cited.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 09, 2025 11:14 AM (qpyNK)

32 I worked in Chantilly from 2010-15. I liked the area a lot.
Was back there over this Fourth. A totally different vibe and very lefty. And a shitload more foreigners.
Posted by: Diogenes

Always wanted to work in the Lace Factory there.

Posted by: Not-So-Big Bopper at July 09, 2025 11:14 AM (G5+As)

33 Comment no. 1 says it all. We can take the rest of the day off.

Posted by: From about That Time at July 09, 2025 11:14 AM (n4GiU)

34 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 11:13 AM (GBKbO)

Success breeds votes also.

Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2025 11:14 AM (VofaG)

35 _________

Nothing is more heartwarming than to go to Mass and see a young family with five or six kids, the boys dressed like gentlemen and the girls in chapel veils.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 09, 2025 11:13 AM (HZi96)

Yup, we have several of those. One drives an enormous van with a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if a Kid Falls Out".

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 09, 2025 11:15 AM (LxER7)

36 Case in point: NoVa. When I was a yoot, this was a pretty conservative area with lots of military, and was until not that long ago. However, it has now become Berkeley East. It's a huge surprise when anyone not a hardcore leftist gets elected to anything.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 09, 2025 11:03 AM (Riz8t)

My BIL is a retired Army officer, and quadruple-dipper(?) at this point, who is MIC to the core and wants to spend his remaining years agitating for "true American progressives" to be elected in every village and hamlet, presumably so that we can embark on more forever wars.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 09, 2025 11:15 AM (ExV1e)

37 Colorado is the state that I have seen ruined the most.
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Some of my favorite areas to drive through are northern NM and southern CO.

I really hate how much such beauty is spoiled by being controlled by leftists.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 09, 2025 11:15 AM (T/tp/)

38 Willowed:

Eh. So what. Sit in a corner, people watch, and drink bourbon and eat fun food. No rule says you have to be social.

Doof is mister socialite and everybody makes fun of him.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at July 09, 2025 11:03 AM (Zv8bq)

I laughed way too hard at that. Because it's all accurate.

Posted by: Doof at July 09, 2025 11:15 AM (5jU2p)

39 34 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 11:13 AM (GBKbO)

Success breeds votes also.
Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2025 11:14 AM (VofaG)

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It's true.

Cannot discount the value of Trump being for something rather than Romney being against Obama.

As a side note: What were Democrats for in their messaging to normies in 2024?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 11:15 AM (GBKbO)

40 I saw The Progressive Raveners on The Interior West open for The first Black Crowes at Burning Man in '90.

Posted by: ShainS -- Make The AG Gaetz Again! at July 09, 2025 11:16 AM (nH+RN)

41 I worked in Chantilly from 2010-15. I liked the area a lot.
Was back there over this Fourth. A totally different vibe and very lefty. And a shitload more foreigners.
Posted by: Diogenes

Always wanted to work in the Lace Factory there.
Posted by: Not-So-Big Bopper

The Chantilly High School band plays that when the football team scores a touchdown.

Posted by: Bulg at July 09, 2025 11:16 AM (77rzZ)

42 Colorado was turned Communist with stunning rapidity. It was in no way gradual. Ten years, 15 max. Done.

It's already yielding the expected results. Ten more years, again at maximum, and it will look no different than the States dominated by other Heart of Darkness cities on the West Coast.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2025 11:13 AM (BI5O2)

Chicken or egg question but I think becoming the first state to legalize recreational weed had a lot to do with it.

Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2025 11:16 AM (VofaG)

43 I live in a place that has been inundated by blue shithole refugees. It’s been a slow burn but they’ve achieved critical mass and have taken over.
City council is far left now.

All sorts of woke shit introduced. It’s basically no white men need apply for any city jobs. Even though ironically, city council is majority white men. Zoning changed to allow apartments as far as the eye can see. It’s damn near impossible to build a single family home anywhere. Condos and apartments only. We used to have free parking on city streets, they brought in parking meters. Homelessness while still not a big problem has become a problem and will only get worse over time. Because the police is now tasked with being social workers for them instead of arresting them and driving them to the nearest bus stop out of town.

10 years ago it was heaven. Today it’s liveable. 10 years from now it will be a shithole. I’m waiting until my kids are out of school then getting the fuck out.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 09, 2025 11:16 AM (ImXfC)

44 Thx Joe. I know a lot of NYers who moved south, to FL, NC, SC and Georgia. Most conservative , making this area more leftist after NYC refugees moved north. Good to hear profs in Texas getting worried about conservatives moving in however

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 09, 2025 11:16 AM (JtH6i)

45
the always a day away dream of Blue Texas

__________

If the Hispanic counties continue to redden, they'll have to wait a lot longer.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 09, 2025 11:16 AM (HZi96)

46 Yup, we have several of those. One drives an enormous van with a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if a Kid Falls Out".
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher

*snort

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2025 11:17 AM (DNyHT)

47 2 I worked in Chantilly from 2010-15. I liked the area a lot.
Was back there over this Fourth. A totally different vibe and very lefty. And a shitload more foreigners.
Posted by: Diogenes

Always wanted to work in the Lace Factory there.
Posted by: Not-So-Big Bopper at July 09, 2025 11:14 AM (G5+As)

***

Well, for a strong dose of testosterone, the Dulles Expo Center always hosted great gun shows.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 09, 2025 11:17 AM (W/lyH)

48 45
the always a day away dream of Blue Texas

__________

If the Hispanic counties continue to redden, they'll have to wait a lot longer.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 09, 2025 11:16 AM (HZi96)

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Open borders is...really unpopular.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 11:17 AM (GBKbO)

49 "The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam."

-Barry Soetoro

Posted by: ... at July 09, 2025 11:17 AM (Qr870)

50 The left probably doesn't realize it, most of them at least, but the habit they have of gravitating to the urban areas is what keeps them in power. Population centers almost always dictate the type of political environment the surrounding area, maybe the whole state will have.

Seeing an influx of former blue shit hole urban dwellers is never a good sign.

They infiltrate local governments and immediately begin demanding more of what they left behind. Pretty soon they're running things. And the outflow starts all over again.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 09, 2025 11:17 AM (Q4IgG)

51 Nothing is more heartwarming than to go to Mass and see a young family with five or six kids, the boys dressed like gentlemen and the girls in chapel veils.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 09, 2025 11:13 AM (HZi96)

Never heard them called 'chapel veils.' I use the word 'mantilla,' myself.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 09, 2025 11:18 AM (Dg2sF)

52
Houston used to be a pretty well-run city when the business interests made the decisions. Then it had a huge influx of Katrina refugees. Now it's ruined. I won't even go into there for any avoidable reason.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 09, 2025 11:19 AM (HZi96)

53 Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 09, 2025 11:16 AM (ImXfC)

Are you sure you don't live in my Massachusetts hellhole?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 09, 2025 11:20 AM (Dg2sF)

54 Seeing an influx of former blue shit hole urban dwellers is never a good sign.

They infiltrate local governments and immediately begin demanding more of what they left behind. Pretty soon they're running things. And the outflow starts all over again.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 09, 2025 11:17 AM (Q4IgG)

Exactly right. See my post at 43.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 09, 2025 11:20 AM (ImXfC)

55 IMO It was only relatively close because of the transplants that voted against him and the outside blue state financial support for Beto
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The exit polls showed that long-time resident conservatives were lukewarm on Cruz; that it was those here something like 5 years or less that provided the winning margin.
(and with good reason, Cruz is a shitty campaigner and does little for TX)
It was rabid TX leftie support buttressed by massive outside money that made it a close-run.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 09, 2025 11:20 AM (T/tp/)

56 Good inflow: Like RedMindBlueState - getting tfo

Bad inflow: Toyota moving their entire California HQ to Plano/Frisco, Texas.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2025 11:13 AM

I'm working on it. Lots of inflow to NH, though, driving the home prices up.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 09, 2025 11:21 AM (dPfyF)

57 5
I have no idea who's left in Pennsylvania. Old Catholic ladies and brain-dead union retirees, I suppose.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

'Brain-dead union retirees' cover former state and federal employees, too, so you're on point.

From where I sit - near a city - PA's far future looks to be Muslim dominated.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 09, 2025 11:21 AM (NFX2v)

58 One drives an enormous van with a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if a Kid Falls Out".

That reads as though it should have been a tattoo on Octomom's vajayjay.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 09, 2025 11:21 AM (Dg2sF)

59 The left probably doesn't realize it, most of them at least, but the habit they have of gravitating to the urban areas is what keeps them in power. Population centers almost always dictate the type of political environment the surrounding area, maybe the whole state will have.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 09, 2025 11:17 AM (Q4IgG)
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That's true no matter the size/population of the community. Though in smaller communities they seem to have less success. Half the population of my county lives in the vicinity of the county seat. So one town (20K population) dominates the outlying areas. Good thing we are relatively red compared to much larger urban communities.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 09, 2025 11:21 AM (7fElN)

60 49 "The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam."

-Barry Soetoro

Is the truth slanderous?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 09, 2025 11:21 AM (Dv3i1)

61 As a side note: What were Democrats for in their messaging to normies in 2024?
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Mmm, chopping kids dicks off.

Posted by: pudinhead at July 09, 2025 11:21 AM (W3T6M)

62 My BIL is a retired Army officer, and quadruple-dipper(?) at this point, who is MIC to the core and wants to spend his remaining years agitating for "true American progressives" to be elected in every village and hamlet, presumably so that we can embark on more forever wars.

Lib military types certainly exist, but I'd say they're less common than in the genpop. Back in the 60s and 70s, I'm sure that was even more true. Thanks, Obama.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 09, 2025 11:21 AM (Riz8t)

63 Chicken or egg question but I think becoming the first state to legalize recreational weed had a lot to do with it.
Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2025 11:16 AM (VofaG)

It doesn't help. But the legal weed mostly just exploded the vagrancy problem. People who pick up and move to a place to get high there are almost exclusively unskilled dumbfucks, and Denver metro is a pretty expensive city whose economy revolves around tech. A lot of them became CHUDs.

But the migrants who changed everything politically were the human wave of upper middle class progressives from the West Coast, particularly California, who flooded the State starting with 2008 financial crash. By 2018, the place was unrecognizable.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2025 11:22 AM (BI5O2)

64
I use the word 'mantilla,' myself.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression)

__________

Mantillas are longer ones. Also, more attractive ones.

I get to 7:00 AM Mass as 6:00 and sit in the back. As a result, all I see of the congregation is the back of their heads.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 09, 2025 11:22 AM (HZi96)

65 Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 09, 2025 11:20 AM (T/tp/)

You can cast a lukewarm vote?

Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2025 11:22 AM (VofaG)

66 53 Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 09, 2025 11:16 AM (ImXfC)

Are you sure you don't live in my Massachusetts hellhole?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 09, 2025 11:20 AM (Dg2sF)

Nowhere near Mass. But this story is universal. Find any small city in the country and there’s a version of this happening.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 09, 2025 11:22 AM (ImXfC)

67 No one sane can be left in Philly.

People around the world are laughing and pitying that garbage fuck hole.

It's like New Jersey just shit it's worst liquid shit into that place.

Posted by: eleven at July 09, 2025 11:23 AM (fV+MH)

68 Well, for a strong dose of testosterone, the Dulles Expo Center always hosted great gun shows.
Posted by: Diogenes

Yeah, that's a fun event to go to. Costs too much for unemployed me these days, though.

I have lived in Chantilly since 2002. I haven't noticed a more leftward drift here apart from that taking place in NoVa as a whole. Haven't seen any gay crap (yet) in the Chantilly Library. (I check from time to time.) I still like living here, for the most part.

But, yes, there are a lot of foreigners. Sometimes, when I go to CostCo, I might as well be in the middle of the Subcontinent.

Posted by: Bulg at July 09, 2025 11:23 AM (77rzZ)

69 55 The exit polls showed that long-time resident conservatives were lukewarm on Cruz; that it was those here something like 5 years or less that provided the winning margin.
(and with good reason, Cruz is a shitty campaigner and does little for TX)
It was rabid TX leftie support buttressed by massive outside money that made it a close-run.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 09, 2025 11:20 AM (T/tp/)

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Also...exit polls.

I tend to believe that Cruz does more poorly with native Texans than transplants, though, and it has to do more with the GOP machine in the state.

They just don't like him for their own reasons, and so they don't create a political environment where he's just standard Republican senator. He's icky Republican senator whom, I guess, we have to support at election time because, ugh, Democrats, I guess.

However, I think that's behind TX now. He won by 9 against Allred last year.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 11:23 AM (GBKbO)

70 Willowed:

Eh. So what. Sit in a corner, people watch, and drink bourbon and eat fun food. No rule says you have to be social.

Doof is mister socialite and everybody makes fun of him.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at July 09, 2025 11:03 AM

This is true.

Especially the part about Doof.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 09, 2025 11:23 AM (dPfyF)

71 It's like New Jersey just shit it's worst liquid shit into that place.
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Snort.

Posted by: pudinhead at July 09, 2025 11:24 AM (W3T6M)

72 Nothing is more heartwarming than to go to Mass and see a young family with five or six kids, the boys dressed like gentlemen and the girls in chapel veils.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 09, 2025 11:13 AM (HZi96)

Just sent my son to Camp Damascus, the largest Catholic camp in the US, the energy that to volunteers gave off and so happy to be their and to see nuns in their full habits jumping around and waving welcoming the kids, still not use to seeing this. I see more girls wearing veils now than I have ever seen, and it's the young teen grils

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 09, 2025 11:24 AM (FCrpy)

73 ·
14m
🚨 BREAKING: The CEO of 𝕏 just resigned, Linda Yaccarino.
Posted by: WisRich
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Musk needs to calm down.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 09, 2025 11:24 AM (ncgY2)

74 I moved to the rust belt. Not too many blue meanies moving here, but there's a house on my street with a "No Kings" sign in here yard.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 09, 2025 11:25 AM (jJR4p)

75 "BREAKING: The CEO of 𝕏 just resigned, Linda Yaccarino."

Because of Mecha Hitler?

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 09, 2025 11:26 AM (jJR4p)

76 >> Never heard them called 'chapel veils.' I use the word 'mantilla,' myself.

In the 90s, a friend started wearing a mantilla to Mass. She was the only one, I think, in the Parish. A few weeks back, we went to Mass at a monastery and two-thirds of the women (and all of the little girls) had veils.

Posted by: Nazdar at July 09, 2025 11:26 AM (NcvvS)

77 Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 09, 2025 11:24 AM (FCrpy)

See the Handmaid’s Tale is true !!!

Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2025 11:27 AM (VofaG)

78 It's like New Jersey just shit it's worst liquid shit into that place.
Posted by: eleven at July 09, 2025 11:23 AM (fV+MH)

Where the hell in NJ does this exist for NJ to shit it to PA? Jesus, many of you need help. Or get out more. With more human contact.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 09, 2025 11:27 AM (5xuJ/)

79 Lib military types certainly exist, but I'd say they're less common than in the genpop. Back in the 60s and 70s, I'm sure that was even more true. Thanks, Obama.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 09, 2025 11:21 AM (Riz8t)

I don't know that he's - precisely - a lib. I think it's more that he wants Big Green to roll over every part of the world killing people for the greater glory of the stockholders of military equipment companies and he sees the progs as being more willing to destroy the planet in an orgy of violence than the MAGA people.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 09, 2025 11:27 AM (ExV1e)

80 Posted by: eleven at July 09, 2025 11:23 AM (fV+MH

Shit is ****.. Thete is too much traffic and too much building in N. J. There are also nice people and nice places, like very other state. If you moved out, congratulations!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2025 11:27 AM (2GCMq)

81 Joe,

This phenomenon you describe is all part of the "Great Sort" that has been discussed for over a decade. Red tends to move to red/reddish purple and blue tends to blue/bluish purple and sets their politics more firmly to their primary color. We saw it with NM/CO (which you left for redder pastures) and TX/FL/TN. State by state partisan alignments get more and more rigid, and the focus moves to ever fewer and slimmer swing states.

The thing is, the politicians *like* it that way. They make it bad enough for the people who would oppose them to leave, they get to rule over the ashes unimpeded. This was literally what the mayor of Detroit (and other cities) did in the 60s/70s/80s to consolidate power, and is likely what CA (and OR/WA/NY/MA et. al.) have been doing since CA Prop 187.

GOP pols aren't immune to this in their own way (see SC), and it behooves us to make sure they don't create their own form of their destructor.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 09, 2025 11:27 AM (MLUJe)

82 What's with the veil thing?

Posted by: Bulg at July 09, 2025 11:27 AM (77rzZ)

83 The real problem is the invaders vote. They vote for everything. Some random ballot measure vote in the middle of February will get 15% turnout. But 80% of that 15% is leftists. So every ballot measure to increase taxes passes. Every city council election is a sweep for the left.

Conservatives show up to vote for President and then ignore everything else for the next 4 years. Leftists are organized and on a mission. And it’s why they can turn a red area blue in the blink of an eye.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 09, 2025 11:27 AM (ImXfC)

84 Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 09, 2025 11:27 AM (5xuJ/)

Atlantic City ?

Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2025 11:28 AM (VofaG)

85 I was astounded to learn that the progs fear the opposite, that there are too many regressive knuckle-draggers coming in for them to achieve the utopia denied to them by the regressive knuckle-dragging natives.

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"This is why we need open borders and billions of Turd-World Illegal Alien Invaders, H8R!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Make The AG Gaetz Again! at July 09, 2025 11:29 AM (nH+RN)

86 However, I think that's behind TX now. He won by 9 against Allred last year.
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Yup.
And the fact that "stink of loser on him" Allred and Beto are both aiming to run again is the surest sign that TX is going to go even more deep red.

And, the follow on from the constitutional amendment letting the AG (Paxton) go after vote fraud is just getting warmed up.

Houston has around +/- 100k fraudulent ballots every election ....

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 09, 2025 11:29 AM (T/tp/)

87 Then it had a huge influx of Katrina refugees"

Gunspoint waves "hi"

Posted by: man at July 09, 2025 11:29 AM (tubbA)

88 and to see nuns in their full habits jumping around and waving welcoming the kids

Do you know what order the nuns belong to?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 09, 2025 11:29 AM (Dg2sF)

89 If your a mooching, looting asshole who flees a blue state and moves to a red state, and you continue to be an asshole but you stopped mooching and looting, the red state loses.

If your a producer who is not an asshole who flees a blue state and moves to a red state, and continue to produce and not become an asshole, the red state wins.

The key here is to not be an asshole.

Posted by: Assholes Not Welcome at July 09, 2025 11:30 AM (r/wv3)

90 but there's a house on my street with a "No Kings" sign in here yard.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo

Why is it spelled cancelled with two L's in England?
And canceled with one L in the US?

Because we gave England an L in 1776.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2025 11:30 AM (DNyHT)

91 The real problem is the invaders vote. They vote for everything. Some random ballot measure vote in the middle of February will get 15% turnout. But 80% of that 15% is leftists. So every ballot measure to increase taxes passes. Every city council election is a sweep for the left.

Conservatives show up to vote for President and then ignore everything else for the next 4 years. Leftists are organized and on a mission. And it’s why they can turn a red area blue in the blink of an eye.

Very true, and why I think the "Great Sort" thing might be a bit overrated, because Leftists view it as their religious duty to push for power at all costs, and they aren't willing to give up on a state they think they can turn. If they can just get that next tax increase, that next ballot measure....

My view living in a blue county in a red state anyway

Posted by: brak at July 09, 2025 11:30 AM (jGJov)

92 Posted by: eleven at July 09, 2025 11:23 AM (fV+MH

Shit is ****.. Thete is too much traffic and too much building in N. J. There are also nice people and nice places, like very other state. If you moved out, congratulations!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2025 11:27 AM (2GCMq)

There's a reason for that, Fen. The higher paying jobs are here, and our proximity to an extensive transportation network.

AND, we aren't the most obese state, either.

https://tinyurl.com/yhwtvpdm

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 09, 2025 11:30 AM (5xuJ/)

93 What's with the veil thing?
Posted by: Bulg

Christian inside baseball about whether women should cover their heads in church.

Some people say yes, other say "That's what hair is for", others say "who cares?"

It's one of those things that should be adiaphora, i.e. nothing to split a church over, but which can become a flash point for various forms of rebellion.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at July 09, 2025 11:31 AM (a+4eV)

94 New Jersey is so random.

It has beautiful beaches and an awful industrial corridor and the most unexplored place in North America.

If you love Jersey it's because you're in the nice place.

Posted by: eleven at July 09, 2025 11:31 AM (fV+MH)

95 You can cast a lukewarm vote?
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I sure wasn't excited to vote for W.
Or McCain.
Or Romney.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 09, 2025 11:31 AM (T/tp/)

96 I’m really hoping remote work stops being a thing. Or at least as much of a thing. That will go a long way towards keeping the vermin in their shithole cities.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 09, 2025 11:31 AM (ImXfC)

97 As a side note: What were Democrats for in their messaging to normies in 2024?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 11:15 AM (GBKbO)

That's easy: Death.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at July 09, 2025 11:31 AM (g8Ew8)

98 88 and to see nuns in their full habits jumping around and waving welcoming the kids

Do you know what order the nuns belong to?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 09, 2025 11:29 AM (Dg2sF)

I had two horrid nuns as teachers growing up (1st and 8th grade) - so probably not Immaculate Heart of Mary.

And yes, I subscribe to the "fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice shame on me" - I respect nuns a lot - there are a lot of great order and a lot of great nuns...but I never pitched the option to my girls...ever...nor gave it a moment's thought for me. Nor do I seek them out for my kids.

Posted by: Nova Local at July 09, 2025 11:33 AM (tOcjL)

99 Houston used to be a pretty well-run city when the business interests made the decisions. Then it had a huge influx of Katrina refugees. Now it's ruined. I won't even go into there for any avoidable reason.

grew up there -- would never go back. Unrecognizable now

Posted by: brak at July 09, 2025 11:33 AM (jGJov)

100 Felix Mantilla was an original '62 Met. Starting third baseman.

Posted by: Meet The Mets! at July 09, 2025 11:34 AM (G5+As)

101 We always use the terms "Refugees" and "Locusts". You can welcome the refugees with a reminder not to vote for what they are fleeing. The locusts swarm, strip the local culture bare, and move on.

Posted by: Old Toby at July 09, 2025 11:34 AM (eqWxE)

102 > 88 and to see nuns in their full habits jumping around and waving welcoming the kids

Do you know what order the nuns belong to?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 09, 2025 11:29 AM (Dg2sF)

The Jumping Nuns?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 09, 2025 11:34 AM (qpyNK)

103 Also willowed, re the great soccer divide.

322 cutoff is those born about 1960. Soccer as a youth available to you.
Those born before weren't offered soccer in gym and youth recreation, and when it was introduced it felt foreign to them

Posted by: From about That Time at July 09, 2025 11:34 AM (n4GiU)

104 I think the "Great Sort" thing might be a bit overrated, because Leftists view it as their religious duty to push for power at all costs, and they aren't willing to give up on a state they think they can turn

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100%

It’s tyranny of the minority because as you say it’s a religion for them. The majority just wants to live their lives and become frogs in boiling water. By the time they look around and ask what the fuck happened, it’s too late.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 09, 2025 11:34 AM (ImXfC)

105 why are civilized countries negotiating with hamas devils ? unless the end result is to kill them all

Posted by: runner at July 09, 2025 11:34 AM (g47mK)

106 Bad inflow: Toyota moving their entire California HQ to Plano/Frisco, Texas.
Posted by: rickb223
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Heh, the Japanese and muslims get along so well.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 09, 2025 11:35 AM (ncgY2)

107 The Jumping Nuns?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 09, 2025 11:34 AM (qpyNK)

That's where the Flying Nuns are sent down when they're underperforming and need to sort out their mechanics.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 09, 2025 11:35 AM (LxER7)

108 thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 09, 2025 11:30 AM (5xuJ

I wasn't suggesting NJ is shit, but I am well aware of the problems but then I tend to use other Words than sh***" when describing things that annoy me . I did use it today
when I got cut off by some idiot who felt he needed to go 30 miles over the speed limit and pass on the right.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2025 11:36 AM (2GCMq)

109 If you love Jersey it's because you're in the nice place.
Posted by: eleven at July 09, 2025 11:31 AM (fV+MH)

78 years here, and within an hours drive of various activities and scenery. The cities are the problem, as they are in most states.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 09, 2025 11:36 AM (5xuJ/)

110 72 Just sent my son to Camp Damascus, the largest Catholic camp in the US, the energy that to volunteers gave off and so happy to be their and to see nuns in their full habits jumping around and waving welcoming the kids, still not use to seeing this. I see more girls wearing veils now than I have ever seen, and it's the young teen grils
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at July 09, 2025 11:24 AM (FCrpy)
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The times have certainly changed. In my youth, if you would have seen a nun looking your direction while jumping and waving her arms, your day was about to get WAY the hell worse.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at July 09, 2025 11:36 AM (F30Bl)

111 Was it Howard Cosell who mangled "World Cup Soccer' into "World Suck Cocker" on live television?

Might've been someone else... it was a long time ago.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 09, 2025 11:36 AM (qpyNK)

112 I remember how the right would celebrate anytime a company announced they were moving from California to Texas. Not much celebrating now is there?

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 09, 2025 11:36 AM (ImXfC)

113 No Kings? At least the man they perceive as our king has no strings like the last two dem nominees.

Posted by: Rex B at July 09, 2025 11:37 AM (n8d+Q)

114 > The Jumping Nuns?

They stole that from us.

Posted by: The Jumping Jews of Jerusalem at July 09, 2025 11:37 AM (qpyNK)

115 By strings I meant puppets on a string.

Posted by: Rex B at July 09, 2025 11:38 AM (n8d+Q)

116 >>>Bad inflow: Toyota moving their entire California HQ to Plano/Frisco, Texas.

The Frisco school district already has the highest percentage of Asian students in the state. Going to be even more brutal trying to get into that top 10% class rank for college admissions now

Posted by: brak at July 09, 2025 11:38 AM (jGJov)

117 Colorado is the state that I have seen ruined the most.
Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2025 11:05 AM (VofaG)
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Maybe in the current crop of ruined states, this might be right, but the all-time champion ruined state has to be Oregon. It got so thoroughly Californicated decades ago that it doesn't seem to mind (and it's politicians even support!) Antifa burning Portland on a regular schedule.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 09, 2025 11:38 AM (P3Haq)

118 I was astounded to learn that the progs fear the opposite, that there are too many regressive knuckle-draggers coming in for them to achieve the utopia denied to them by the regressive knuckle-dragging natives.

>>> Wasn't there a push several years ago for Libertarians to take over New Hampsters and turn it into their version of utopia? Anyone know what happened to that initiative?

Posted by: pookysgirl, enjoying the sun for once at July 09, 2025 11:39 AM (Wt5PA)

119 For my part, it's funny. I quit voting in local and state elections in CO, because the system was so blatantly rigged up that participation only amounted to perpetuation.

When I moved here, I strongly considered voting. I even registered to do so. But then I reconsidered. People here are running the show the way they want to, and it's great, and they got here without any input from me. I'll keep it that way.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2025 11:39 AM (BI5O2)

120 >>> Wasn't there a push several years ago for Libertarians to take over New Hampsters and turn it into their version of utopia? Anyone know what happened to that initiative?

I was gonna relocate to NH, but then I got high

Posted by: Libertarians at July 09, 2025 11:40 AM (jGJov)

121 My view living in a blue county in a red state anyway
Posted by: brak
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Without election integrity, I don't think any of us really 'knows' the true vote recorded. Most of our suppositions are based on 'knowing' election results that may or may not reflect true votes. The problem is especially acute, even in red states, of considerable numbers of voter registrations without being attached to a live body.

So, paper ballots, counted at the precinct, and then recounted at central county facilities. Automatic by hand recounts if the winning margin is less than 1 percent. Strong penalties for ineligible voters including permanent disbarment from politics. Etc.

Posted by: whig at July 09, 2025 11:40 AM (ctrM5)

122 The Jumping Nuns?

They stole that from us.
Posted by: The Jumping Jews of Jerusalem at July 09, 2025 11:37 AM (qpyNK)

We waz first !

Posted by: The Jumping Pharaohs of Thebes at July 09, 2025 11:41 AM (g47mK)

123 > "The Great Resignation"
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A lot of people, me included, had had enough of the covid bullshit and decided the time was ripe to retire. I'd been working from home for about 6 months and it was just insane. It was impossible to get anything done.

For reference, I was a Program Manager for the Army at the time. So lots of IT related work, managing contractors, schedules, code releases and the like. Trying to get a software release out the door and into production at the time was taking 3X longer than it did when everyone was in the office.

I'm sure there were a lot of resignations, but there were also a lot of retirements.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 09, 2025 11:41 AM (Q4IgG)

124 109 If you love Jersey it's because you're in the nice place.
Posted by: eleven at July 09, 2025 11:31 AM (fV+MH)

78 years here, and within an hours drive of various activities and scenery. The cities are the problem, as they are in most states.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 09, 2025 11:36 AM (5xuJ/)

True...but. I grew up there...where I grew up (in South Jersey) has degraded. It's still okay, but it's not as nice as it was 20-30 years ago...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 09, 2025 11:41 AM (tOcjL)

125 As a counterpoint, look at Florida. Part of the Solid South, then on the political knife edge, large influx of Noo Yawkers, now solid red.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

Seriously, Florida sucks sweaty balls. Y'all from NewYork would be much happier in Boston

Posted by: Operator Error at July 09, 2025 11:41 AM (sHvKw)

126 Florida got deep red. Texas seems to be getting redder…. Refugees seem to be winning for now. CA population is so large there are still millions of conservatives there

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 09, 2025 11:41 AM (ANuwa)

127 Shit is ****.. Thete is too much traffic and too much building in N. J. There are also nice people and nice places, like very other state. If you moved out, congratulations!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2025 11:27 AM (2GCMq)

There's a reason for that, Fen. The higher paying jobs are here, and our proximity to an extensive transportation network.

AND, we aren't the most obese state, either.

https://tinyurl.com/yhwtvpdm

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 09, 2025 11:30 AM (5xuJ/)

You just have to pick the right areas of jersey to live. My area has larger properties, and there are farms, and very low crime. Plenty of trump flags, and fuck biden flags. We're kinda like the non patrolled backwaters. I see a lot of really large empty spaces all around here, and then I remember its because the commies like to live up each other's assholes in the blue cities. Not here, a whole different world.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 09, 2025 11:41 AM (snZF9)

128 Jumping Pharaohs >>>> Dancing Hitlers

Posted by: Bulg at July 09, 2025 11:42 AM (77rzZ)

129 cutoff is those born about 1960. Soccer as a youth available to you.
Those born before weren't offered soccer in gym and youth recreation, and when it was introduced it felt foreign to them
Posted by: From about That Time at July 09, 2025 11:34 AM (n4GiU)

It's still foreign,......communist,......and gay.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at July 09, 2025 11:42 AM (g8Ew8)

130 Supply and demand are universals.

Bring more people into an area and housing prices go up, and traffic, and all the rest.

I see leftists constantly complaining about these things and then droning on about a "right" for people to immigrate.

Well, pick one. You can have your small, cheap new quaint new england town or you can have all that diversity you say you want and pay out the nose for everything.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2025 11:42 AM (t0Rmr)

131 I wasn't suggesting NJ is shit, but I am well aware of the problems but then I tend to use other Words than sh***" when describing things that annoy me . I did use it today
when I got cut off by some idiot who felt he needed to go 30 miles over the speed limit and pass on the right.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2025 11:36 AM (2GCMq)

Before I retired in 2019, my commute was 56 miles to the studios where I worked. Driving for 61 years and over 1.5 million miles, I have seen it all. It has gotten worse, however, as many drivers who grew up with video games, treat driving as a video game. What's amazing is during those commutes, I would see what I thought would become a multi car pileup, but in an instant, the threat would dissipate. Driving in NJ creates quick reflexes for sure. LOL!

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 09, 2025 11:42 AM (5xuJ/)

132 A lot of Jersey is real nice - but let's not sugarcoat. North Jersey is pockmarked with giant hellholes.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2025 11:42 AM (BI5O2)

133 Oh, ok.

Pennsylvania does not typically tax New Jersey residents who work in Pennsylvania on their compensation (W-2 wages) due to a reciprocal income tax agreement between the two states.

NJ Division of Taxes: If you are a New Jersey resident with income from sources outside New Jersey, you may be eligible for a credit on your New Jersey tax return. You may qualify for a credit if you paid income or wage tax on the same income in the same year to both New Jersey and to another jurisdiction outside New Jersey. You cannot claim a credit for income tax paid to the federal government, Canada, Puerto Rico, or any other foreign country or territory.
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So I say get rid of it. After all, there's not a reciprocal agreement between Delaware and PA, New Jersey and Delaware.

And I didn't have the benefits of a reciprocal agreements when working in Philly or Wilmington DE and living in a county that touches upon them.

But, aside from that, Philly is full of Biden a**holes & they've scorched the entire state.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 09, 2025 11:43 AM (NFX2v)

134 Jumping Pharaohs >>>> Dancing Hitlers >>>> Stalinist Showgirls

The Hitlers have smaller mustaches.

Posted by: The Jumping Jews of Jerusalem at July 09, 2025 11:43 AM (qpyNK)

135 Kiss my grits.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 09, 2025 11:43 AM (zhBpy)

136 when I got cut off by some idiot who felt he needed to go 30 miles over the speed limit and pass on the right.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2025 11:36 AM (2GCMq)
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Sorry, that might have been me. Were you by chance driving slowly in the passing lane of 287 south? After five hours in the car my patience wore a little thin.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 09, 2025 11:43 AM (P3Haq)

137 Felix Mantilla was an original '62 Met. Starting third baseman.
Posted by: Meet The Mets

Also played for the Red Sox for a couple of years, shortstop or second base. Lived at least one summer in house a couple away from mine that was shared by sox players for a few years, mostly pitchers.

Posted by: From about That Time at July 09, 2025 11:43 AM (n4GiU)

138 Speaking of New Jersey:

https://is.gd/rwZrxM

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 09, 2025 11:44 AM (PiwSw)

139 > It's still foreign,......communist,......and gay.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at July 09, 2025 11:42 AM (g8Ew

With the sole exception of boxing (and MAYBE swimming), any sport where men wear short pants === teh ghey.

Posted by: The Jumping Jews of Jerusalem at July 09, 2025 11:45 AM (qpyNK)

140 AND, we aren't the most obese state, either.

https://tinyurl.com/yhwtvpdm

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 09, 2025 11:30 AM (5xuJ/)

You just have to pick the right areas of jersey to live. My area has larger properties, and there are farms, and very low crime. Plenty of trump flags, and fuck biden flags. We're kinda like the non patrolled backwaters. I see a lot of really large empty spaces all around here, and then I remember its because the commies like to live up each other's assholes in the blue cities. Not here, a whole different world.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division

Isn't New Jersey called the Garden State?

Can't be a huge shit hole if that's it's motto.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2025 11:45 AM (DNyHT)

141 They stole that from us.
Posted by: The Jumping Jews of Jerusalem at July 09, 2025 11:37 AM

A most cromulent reference.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 09, 2025 11:46 AM (dPfyF)

142 Isn't New Jersey called the Garden State?

Can't be a huge shit hole if that's it's motto.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2025 11:45 AM (DNyHT)

Sure it can - the left is all about lies and projection...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 09, 2025 11:46 AM (tOcjL)

143 "If this is New Jersey, I'd sure hate to see Old Jersey."

Posted by: Comment from the Jersey Turnpike at July 09, 2025 11:47 AM (qpyNK)

144 Joe Mannix is alive?

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 09, 2025 11:47 AM (zhBpy)

145 Northwest New Jersey is nice.

The areas near NYC stink like, well, NYC.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2025 11:47 AM (t0Rmr)

146
Can't be a huge shit hole if that's it's motto.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2025 11:45 AM (DNyHT)

________

NJ State Motto: "You want a $+*&$ motto? I'll give you a $+*&$ motto!"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 09, 2025 11:47 AM (HZi96)

147 Driving in NJ creates quick reflexes for sure. LOL!
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They have no shoulders on their roads. This is why I never road my motorcycle there. They also have potholes that can swallow a tire.

Posted by: pudinhead at July 09, 2025 11:47 AM (W3T6M)

148 143 "If this is New Jersey, I'd sure hate to see Old Jersey."

Posted by: Comment from the Jersey Turnpike at July 09, 2025 11:47 AM (qpyNK)

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Old Jersey is a small island in the Channel that the English often make fun of.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 11:48 AM (GBKbO)

149 78 years here, and within an hours drive of various activities and scenery. The cities are the problem, as they are in most states.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 09, 2025 11:36 AM (5xuJ/)

The cities in jersey are total shit. I would rather build a yurt in the deserts of the ME before living in jersey's cities. I'm still baffled at the contrast between the suburbs of jersey and cities of jersey. It's going from Mayberry to judge Dred

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 09, 2025 11:48 AM (snZF9)

150 One thing I've always been curious about - who in NJ is responsible for leasing out Newark to NYC to use as a chemical toilet? If I lived there, I'd be baying for blood.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2025 11:48 AM (BI5O2)

151 Wasn't there a push several years ago for Libertarians to take over New Hampsters and turn it into their version of utopia? Anyone know what happened to that initiative?
Posted by: pookysgirl, enjoying the sun for once at July 09, 2025 11:39 AM (Wt5PA)

Well, given no Republican has won so much as dog catcher in the state in the past 10 years, I’d say it was not successful.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 09, 2025 11:48 AM (ImXfC)

152 Just reading that Bidens' doctor just pleaded the 5th during closed door hearing on the Hill.

Why does this not surprise me.

Posted by: WisRich at July 09, 2025 11:48 AM (G0vdT)

153 Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 09, 2025 11:42 AM (5xuJ/)

I admire your grit in driving that far for so long. It probably is like a video game for some. . What really drives me nuts is people who drive way over the speed limit on winding roads and end up off the road through the guardrail and sometimes in the river. You needed to get to your destination that quickly? I doubt most of them were rushing to see a loved one in the hospital .

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2025 11:48 AM (2GCMq)

154 I'm sure there are very nice places in New Jersey.

But the bad places....

Posted by: eleven at July 09, 2025 11:48 AM (fV+MH)

155 Seriously, Florida sucks sweaty balls. Y'all from NewYork would be much happier in Boston
Posted by: Operator Error at July 09, 2025 11:41 AM

No! No you wouldn't! There are Red Sox fans here. And the bagels suck. Don't come here!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 09, 2025 11:49 AM (dPfyF)

156 > Can't be a huge shit hole if that's it's motto.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2025 11:45 AM (DNyHT)

It's like wine and sewage.

Take a barrel of fine wine and a barrel of sewage.

Add one drop of wine to the barrel of sewage and you have...a barrel of sewage.

Start over, and this time add a drop of sewage to the barrel of wine. You now have... two barrels of sewage.

Posted by: Comment from the Jersey Turnpike at July 09, 2025 11:49 AM (qpyNK)

157 I wonder if potholes can get on the historical registry at some point?

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 09, 2025 11:49 AM (zhBpy)

158
Most everything I've seen of NJ has been US 130 from Camden to Trenton, then US 1 to New Brunswick, then the NJ Turnpike to Newark. Draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 09, 2025 11:49 AM (HZi96)

159 15 Another outflow: Douglass Mackey, the guy who got sentenced in NY federal court for tweeting a text-to-vote meme before the 2016 election, got his conviction overturned on appeal. https://tinyurl.com/42yrm9pb
Posted by: Octochicken
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That case was a disgrace and the judge that even permitted such a trial without a dismissal should be removed from office. Scotus precedent on 1A was clear enough that a blind man could read it.

Satirical posts are protected speech period and especially satirical political speech. What the brain dead trial court did was misapply 1A law where the court conflated election interference with a satirical one off post on social media by a known political satirist. The judge was purely acting out of malice by ignoring the limits on laws by the first amendment that protect political speech above all and satirical speech in particular.

Posted by: whig at July 09, 2025 11:49 AM (ctrM5)

160 151 Well, given no Republican has won so much as dog catcher in the state in the past 10 years, I’d say it was not successful.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 09, 2025 11:48 AM (ImXfC)

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Current and previous governors are Republican.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 11:49 AM (GBKbO)

161 New Jersey used to be classified by the nearest Interstate or Turnpike exit number. Every set of directions started with "get off at exit #...."

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 09, 2025 11:50 AM (Q4IgG)

162 A lot of Jersey is real nice - but let's not sugarcoat. North Jersey is pockmarked with giant hellholes.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2025 11:42 AM (BI5O2)

Where I grew up, Central Jersey, we considered North Jersey part of NYC. The attitudes and driving habits were
identical. City people.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 09, 2025 11:50 AM (5xuJ/)

163 I would note that the great resignation wasn't that unique. It happens everytime there is big hit to the labor market - which Covid was of course. People move up the ladder to get better jobs, jobs which may be anywhere. The political migration stuff has been happening for awhile - and has been helping fortify red states and exposing blue states for what they are. Machine politics not for running things but for just enriching the pols. Used to be machines actually ran things relatively well.

The shrinking blue tax bases are putting stress on the populations, creating more conservative minded voters, creating more people to flee the blue states. It's a circle of doom. It will eventually bottom out.

Posted by: Black JEM at July 09, 2025 11:50 AM (GZYu7)

164 Felix Mantilla broke up Harvey Haddix perfect game by getting on first after an error by Don Hoak. Mantilla had led off the 13th inning

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 09, 2025 11:50 AM (JtH6i)

165 152 Just reading that Bidens' doctor just pleaded the 5th during closed door hearing on the Hill.

Why does this not surprise me.
Posted by: WisRich
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Give the bastard transactional immunity and make him spill his guts. And when considering evidence of potential crimes in a congressional investigation, doctor client privilege is no longer valid.

Posted by: whig at July 09, 2025 11:51 AM (ctrM5)

166 New Yorkers don't like Bostonians and the reverse. They agree on politics, but they each think the other are arrogant blowhards - New Yorkers about their money and Bostonians about their degrees.

And of course they are both right

Posted by: 18-1 at July 09, 2025 11:51 AM (t0Rmr)

167 Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2025 11:45 AM (DNyHT)

Because we have farming and still rural area in certain parts, but some people think all of NJ looks like a view from Newark airport. They are wrong.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2025 11:51 AM (2GCMq)

168 Isn't New Jersey called the Garden State?

Can't be a huge shit hole if that's it's motto.
Posted by: rickb223

Gardens that grow SHIT!

Posted by: Trenton, Camden, Newark, Etc. at July 09, 2025 11:52 AM (G5+As)

169 There are Red Sox fans here. And the bagels suck. Don't come here!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

It's good of the Rockies to be giving y'all some pitching and batting practice

Posted by: gKWVE at July 09, 2025 11:52 AM (KAw7u)

170 138 Speaking of New Jersey:

https://is.gd/rwZrxM
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 09, 2025 11:44 AM (PiwSw)
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Another excellent argument for leaving NJ in your rear-view mirror.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 09, 2025 11:52 AM (P3Haq)

171 Fertilizer is part of the circle of life.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 09, 2025 11:52 AM (zhBpy)

172 A lot of Jersey is real nice - but let's not sugarcoat. North Jersey is pockmarked with giant hellholes.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2025 11:42 AM (BI5O2)

Someday a rain will come

Posted by: ... at July 09, 2025 11:53 AM (Qr870)

173 Wasn't there a push several years ago for Libertarians to take over New Hampsters and turn it into their version of utopia? Anyone know what happened to that initiative?

They got enough people to move so they shut things down. The hard left in NH really hated them. One woman in office referred to them as "outsiders." She had to backtrack really quickly on that.

Posted by: NR Pax at July 09, 2025 11:53 AM (NR6c1)

174 Dopey Joe's doctor, Kevin O’Connor, just took the Fifth.
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Oopsie here's a pardon for you....

Posted by: Donnie Two scoops at July 09, 2025 11:53 AM (tBROW)

175 There are only two reasons to visit Mass: RMBS and RMBS Mom.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 09, 2025 11:53 AM (tT6L1)

176 I picture "Jersey Shore" -- that was a documentary, right?

Posted by: brak at July 09, 2025 11:54 AM (jGJov)

177 A lot of Jersey is real nice - but let's not sugarcoat. North Jersey is pockmarked with giant hellholes.

Small town Jersey along the border with PA is nice, but also very liberal from what I've seen.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 09, 2025 11:54 AM (2ocoG)

178 Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 09, 2025 11:27 AM (MLUJe)

I have to add Texas and Utah to that last one - they're red enough now that if you want to exercise power, you should align with the GOP. That grants entry to at the very least squishies if not actual progressives into the elected government and that causes *all* sorts of lefty aligned garbage to get traction.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 09, 2025 11:54 AM (MLUJe)

179 Archie Bunker told Meathead once that everybody hates Jersey, but somebody has to live there.

Posted by: All In The Family at July 09, 2025 11:54 AM (r/wv3)

180 Current and previous governors are Republican.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

Air quotes " " Republicans. Pretty much all you find up here.

Posted by: From about That Time at July 09, 2025 11:54 AM (n4GiU)

181 Where I grew up, Central Jersey, we considered North Jersey part of NYC. The attitudes and driving habits were
identical. City people.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 09, 2025 11:50 AM (5xuJ/)

Bingo. I was central jersey. We called that NE jersey are West NY. Not even in the same universe.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 09, 2025 11:54 AM (snZF9)

182
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 09, 2025 11:50 AM (Q4IgG)

Lived in NJ for a very long time. Have no idea what numbers are for turnpike exits . Neither does FenSpouse
We also don't sound like we all could make a guest appearance on "Jersey Shore"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2025 11:54 AM (2GCMq)

183 175 There are only two reasons to visit Mass: RMBS and RMBS Mom.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 09, 2025 11:53 AM (tT6L1)

MP4 to the white courtesy phone...

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 09, 2025 11:54 AM (PiwSw)

184 183 175 There are only two reasons to visit Mass: RMBS and RMBS Mom.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 09, 2025 11:53 AM (tT6L1)

MP4 to the white courtesy phone...
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 09, 2025 11:54 AM (PiwSw)

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No, the white phone.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 11:55 AM (GBKbO)

185 OK, got geeky and looked at the Free State Project. This is what the political animal said:

In December 2012, state representative Cynthia Chase [de] (D-Keene) said, "Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today. There is, legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here to take over the state, which is their openly stated goal. In this country you can move anywhere you choose and they have that same right. What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the 'freedoms' that they think they will find here".

Posted by: NR Pax at July 09, 2025 11:55 AM (NR6c1)

186 161 New Jersey used to be classified by the nearest Interstate or Turnpike exit number. Every set of directions started with "get off at exit #...."

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 09, 2025 11:50 AM (Q4IgG)

Thought it still was...I still know my old exit...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 09, 2025 11:55 AM (tOcjL)

187
Anyone know what happened to that initiative?

________

*puff on pipe thoughtfully*

Well, considering the current political situation, I'd say they failed.

*continues rocking chair*

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 09, 2025 11:55 AM (HZi96)

188 185 In December 2012, state representative Cynthia Chase [de] (D-Keene) said, "Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today. There is, legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here to take over the state, which is their openly stated goal. In this country you can move anywhere you choose and they have that same right. What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the 'freedoms' that they think they will find here".
Posted by: NR Pax at July 09, 2025 11:55 AM (NR6c1)

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She sounds vaxxed.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 11:55 AM (GBKbO)

189 Most everything I've seen of NJ has been US 130 from Camden to Trenton, then US 1 to New Brunswick, then the NJ Turnpike to Newark. Draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 09, 2025 11:49 AM (HZi96)

Damn... yeah not a good look.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 09, 2025 11:56 AM (snZF9)

190 Fun Newark story: me and Joe Mannix were there with our mom in a rental car back when we were teens. We got lost and went to a shady gas station for directions to NYC while my mom stayed locked in the car.

The extremely large and grumpy black guy who ran the station gave us directions. We used typical rural CO manners and said "thank you kindly, sir, have a great day."

So he says "you guys aren't from NY, huh?"

"Nope. Colorado."

"Hang on. Here's the right directions."

Good manners and breeding may have saved our skins that day.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2025 11:56 AM (BI5O2)

191 Weird indeed. I don't remember any case where it's happened before, though no doubt there are some.

Usually it's just "doctor-patient privilege", which he also cited
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They have issues sometimes with prescriptions... and billing. In this case my guess is it's the prescribing, and what he got in exchange for that, which he likely did not report....

Posted by: Donnie Two scoops at July 09, 2025 11:56 AM (tBROW)

192 She sounds vaxxed.

And boosted.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 09, 2025 11:56 AM (2ocoG)

193 Thought it still was...I still know my old exit...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 09, 2025 11:55 AM (tOcjL)

what was it?

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 09, 2025 11:57 AM (snZF9)

194 Part of blue states blues is a rapidly aging population. That aging population may also reflect antediluvian politics as elderly voters rarely change their minds because of political socialization. For many, it is still the era of JFK, Civil Rights era, triumph over Tricky Dick, and culminating with Clinton sweeping out the nasty GOP and being crucified for it.

Just like the Greatest Generation turned everything into a referendum on JFK.

Fossilized politics based on nostalgia for the past and a country that has moved well past what they remember.

To be crude, death comes for us all and that is particularly true for voting cohorts as the Silents are mostly gone, the leading edge of the Boomers is marching into oblivion, and the yutes are getting older and voting. And by and large, the yutes don't like what they see around them.

Posted by: whig at July 09, 2025 11:57 AM (ctrM5)

195 Had the opportunity to drive from Newark west through the Delaware water gap into Pennsylvania a number of years ago. Once past the city and surrounding suburbs, it was gorgeous. I always jad considered New Jersey the chemical waste state.

Posted by: Beartooth at July 09, 2025 11:57 AM (8wKVG)

196 Damn, meant to say greatest generation turned everything into a referendum on FDR. Brain fart.

Posted by: whig at July 09, 2025 11:57 AM (ctrM5)

197 i]173 Wasn't there a push several years ago for Libertarians to take over New Hampsters and turn it into their version of utopia? Anyone know what happened to that initiative?

They got enough people to move so they shut things down. The hard left in NH really hated them. One woman in office referred to them as "outsiders." She had to backtrack really quickly on that.

Posted by: NR Pax at July 09, 2025 11:53 AM (NR6c1)

It's still in progress. @travis4NH (on twitter) is one of them, and they have been flexing their muscles the last couple of years. Nearly all are officially GOP because that's what gets things done instead of being an ineffectual rump.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 09, 2025 11:57 AM (MLUJe)

198 I'm a part of this migration. We celebrated Thanksgiving 2020 with family in a state with no Covid restrictions. We knew a move was in our future, but this state had not previously been on our radar.

Now we are surrounded by family, and every year we gain several nieces and nephews. (Meanwhile, our young Colorado relatives are getting themselves neutered to protect their reproductive "health" from OrangeManBad.) Our church family is also very pro-family. It's very refreshing and life-affirming.

Posted by: Emmie at July 09, 2025 11:57 AM (rF2iL)

199 Jimmy Qualls

Posted by: ... at July 09, 2025 11:58 AM (Qr870)

200 PS - best road to drive in NJ is 295...goes from the Delaware Memorial Bridge around Philly and north til it hits 95 again...exit every dang mile on that road, which is great...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 09, 2025 11:58 AM (tOcjL)

201 The cities in jersey are total shit. I would rather build a yurt in the deserts of the ME before living in jersey's cities. I'm still baffled at the contrast between the suburbs of jersey and cities of jersey. It's going from Mayberry to judge Dred
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 09, 2025 11:48 AM (snZF9)

"White flight" in the 50's and early 60's. I witnessed it in real time. Many new housing developments were built in the 50's (in our small town, on former farm land) and many people moved from Newark, Jersey City, Irvington, etc, to those developments/ My wife's mom and dad were part of that. She was 5 when they made the move. The newly constructed GSP facilitated that movement. People could move out of the cities, but still commute to their jobs.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 09, 2025 11:58 AM (5xuJ/)

202 193 Thought it still was...I still know my old exit...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 09, 2025 11:55 AM (tOcjL)

what was it?

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 09, 2025 11:57 AM (snZF9)

32

Posted by: Nova Local at July 09, 2025 11:58 AM (tOcjL)

203 It's still in progress. @travis4NH (on twitter) is one of them, and they have been flexing their muscles the last couple of years.

I stand corrected. Could have sworn that I'd read that they had shut things down.

Posted by: NR Pax at July 09, 2025 11:58 AM (NR6c1)

204
To be crude, death comes for us all

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Wait, what?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 09, 2025 11:58 AM (HZi96)

205 194 To be crude, death comes for us all and that is particularly true for voting cohorts as the Silents are mostly gone, the leading edge of the Boomers is marching into oblivion, and the yutes are getting older and voting. And by and large, the yutes don't like what they see around them.
Posted by: whig at July 09, 2025 11:57 AM (ctrM5)

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If surveys are to be believed, Boomers are evenly split and dying at about a million a year while Gen-Z leans solidly to the right (mostly because of the males).

Should be a fun few years.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 11:59 AM (GBKbO)

206
Old Jersey is a small island in the Channel that the English often make fun of.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Is that where those cows come from?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 09, 2025 11:59 AM (63Dwl)

207 mmm...shit pebbles
in my mouth
i love u shit pebbles

Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at July 09, 2025 11:59 AM (fP1Ll)

208 MP4 is in Mass? Explains a lot....

3 reasons, then.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 09, 2025 11:59 AM (tT6L1)

209 One way is to pass measures that will restrict the 'freedoms' that they think they will find here".
Posted by: NR Pax at July 09, 2025 11:55 AM (NR6c1)

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She sounds vaxxed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Leftists despise freedom other than sublimating oneself into Rousseau's General Will. Personal freedom comes from following the dictates of Big Brother. Hideous fun house mirror version of Christianity except taking out Logos.

Posted by: whig at July 09, 2025 11:59 AM (ctrM5)

210 If surveys are to be believed, Boomers are evenly split and dying at about a million a year while Gen-Z leans solidly to the right (mostly because of the males).

Gen Z went to school during peak Girlboss Hellscape so yeah, the males are gonna be not real happy about the status quo.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 09, 2025 12:00 PM (2ocoG)

211 I bet straw knows who Jimmy Qualls is

Posted by: ... at July 09, 2025 12:00 PM (Qr870)

212 Musk needs to calm down.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 09, 2025 11:24 AM (ncgY2)
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Um, no. Linda underperformed in revenues. Plenty were surprised that Musk chose her 2 years ago in the first place.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 09, 2025 12:00 PM (roqsI)

213 There was an interesting CNN exit poll in the 2018 U.S. Senate election in Texas that found that Beto O'Rourke, who was the Democrat running against Ted Cruz, actually won the votes of more native Texans. It was non-native Texans who made up the difference. Ted Cruz won the election by 2 points because non-native Texans voted for him by a larger margin than did native Texans.

Fast forward to six years later and Cruz beat Colin Allred by 11 points.

So far, the evidence suggests that transplants to Texas are blue-state refugees, not left-wing colonists.

Posted by: Caiwyn at July 09, 2025 12:00 PM (7klqb)

214 To be crude, death comes for us all

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With nasty, sharp, pointy teeth?

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 09, 2025 12:00 PM (LxER7)

215 210 Gen Z went to school during peak Girlboss Hellscape so yeah, the males are gonna be not real happy about the status quo.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 09, 2025 12:00 PM (2ocoG)

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Sarcastic, sigma, and anti-gyno rule.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 12:01 PM (GBKbO)

216 If surveys are to be believed, Boomers are evenly split and dying at about a million a year while Gen-Z leans solidly to the right (mostly because of the males).

Should be a fun few years.

My advice to Boomers is to avoid ice floes.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 09, 2025 12:01 PM (Riz8t)

217 Wasn't there a push several years ago for Libertarians to take over New Hampsters and turn it into their version of utopia? Anyone know what happened to that initiative?
Posted by: pookysgirl, enjoying the sun for once at July 09, 2025 11:39 AM (Wt5PA)

I looked into that because I appreciate liberty and self-rule. Turns out they didn't want any religious people or pro-lifers, so I decided it wasn't for me.

Posted by: Emmie at July 09, 2025 12:01 PM (rF2iL)

218 Where is Old Hampshire?

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 09, 2025 12:02 PM (zhBpy)

219 If surveys are to be believed, Boomers are evenly split and dying at about a million a year while Gen-Z leans solidly to the right (mostly because of the males).

Should be a fun few years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 11:59 AM (GBKbO)

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The kids are alright.

Posted by: Caiwyn at July 09, 2025 12:02 PM (7klqb)

220 New Jersey has many negatives. Tiny towns with mayors, councils, "highway departments", too many municipal employees, too many fiefdoms, Mafia, etc. I remember doing a moving job in an apartment building at a major intersection. The four corners of the intersection were in four different towns. Four different police departments. It's like India before 1940 with 600 maharajahs.

Posted by: Substandard State at July 09, 2025 12:02 PM (G5+As)

221 213 Fast forward to six years later and Cruz beat Colin Allred by 11 points.

So far, the evidence suggests that transplants to Texas are blue-state refugees, not left-wing colonists.
Posted by: Caiwyn at July 09, 2025 12:00 PM (7klqb)

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And then there's FL going from purple state to Trump +19.

Plus, if you watch voter registrations, places like PA and NC are getting redder (never mind the presidential results last year where Trump won).

Hell, NV got redder.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 12:02 PM (GBKbO)

222 Another thing, New Jersey, the 76ers practice in Camden, NJ - to NJ's benefit, yes?

Keep them.

Build them an f**king arena in one of YOUR towns and have them and have women's pro basketball play there too.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 09, 2025 12:03 PM (NFX2v)

223 32

Posted by: Nova Local at July 09, 2025 11:58 AM (tOcjL)

Yeah thats way south.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 09, 2025 12:03 PM (snZF9)

224 With the hard core lefty Boomers who all were in attendance at Woodstock dying off, the young hard core leftists which make up the new generation of the democrat party are losing their best and brightest supporters.

Weird.

Posted by: Old Fart Boomer at July 09, 2025 12:03 PM (r/wv3)

225 Ah, the dreaded corporate transplants!

We have 30-something know-it-alls coming in from all over the states, creating havoc and telling everyone that they're not meeting expectations, not meeting the company's standards and driving out all of the locals.

Everyone of them lied on their resumes and lied in their interviews and they know nothing and have no practical experience.

They rack up debt, make no improvements and eventually return to where they came from because they are exposed for being frauds and incompetents.

Sometimes the illegals serve a better purpose.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at July 09, 2025 12:03 PM (wzQvI)

226 Brilliant Article, Joe

Thanks

Posted by: YosemiteSatchmo at July 09, 2025 12:03 PM (aCkHf)

227 Where is Old Hampshire?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 09, 2025 12:02 PM (

Southwest of London.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2025 12:03 PM (BI5O2)

228 Where's New New York going to be?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 12:03 PM (GBKbO)

229 If surveys are to be believed, Boomers are evenly split and dying at about a million a year while Gen-Z leans solidly to the right (mostly because of the males).

Should be a fun few years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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But when discussing state by state politics (or even regions within), the distribution of voting age populations is lumpy. Blue state voters are older on average than those in red states as it is the younger voters most likely to move for jobs. While some affluent blue staters may migrate for retirement, they leave behind their poorer cohort unable to move due to a variety of reasons.

Blue states or areas in the Midwest are an example of this where in states like Illinois, property values are dropping and houses difficult to sell.

Posted by: whig at July 09, 2025 12:04 PM (ctrM5)

230 Rumors!

Powell to resign in a few days.

Only rumors!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 12:04 PM (GBKbO)

231 I'm never sure if it's Califrado or Colofornia. But they've determined to turn it into Colorectum.

It accelerated with marijuana legalization, when all sorts of Calfornicators moved to places like Boulder (never Grand Junction, Limon or Greeley, by the way) for the legal pot. Once again the Losertarians paved the way for Democrats to take the win

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at July 09, 2025 12:04 PM (TizQb)

232 If surveys are to be believed, Boomers are evenly split and dying at about a million a year while Gen-Z leans solidly to the right (mostly because of the males).

And once again, Gen X is forgotten. But to be fair, we're feral and want to be left alone.

Posted by: NR Pax at July 09, 2025 12:05 PM (NR6c1)

233 228 Where's New New York going to be?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 12:03 PM (GBKbO)

There was a New New Orleans in an episode of Buck Rogers.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 09, 2025 12:05 PM (LxER7)

234 Hampshire is a county in England. Or a region. Something like that.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 09, 2025 12:05 PM (/Em/Z)

235 232 If surveys are to be believed, Boomers are evenly split and dying at about a million a year while Gen-Z leans solidly to the right (mostly because of the males).

And once again, Gen X is forgotten. But to be fair, we're feral and want to be left alone.
Posted by: NR Pax at July 09, 2025 12:05 PM (NR6c1)

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I believe Gen X is the most right leaning generation, based on those same surveys.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 12:05 PM (GBKbO)

236 234 Hampshire is a county in England. Or a region. Something like that.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 09, 2025 12:05 PM (/Em/Z)

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Could be a shire.

Possible.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 12:05 PM (GBKbO)

237 New one: Brennan

Posted by: Archimedes at July 09, 2025 12:05 PM (Riz8t)

238 Hobbits?

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 09, 2025 12:06 PM (zhBpy)

239 Those fearful progressive s could move to California. Problem solved!

Posted by: scottst at July 09, 2025 12:06 PM (qcvs8)

240 With nasty, sharp, pointy teeth?
Posted by: Zombie Robbo
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For some of us, others drift off on ice floes to sleep an eternal slumber.

But Christ promises for those that believe in him, a second life. I believe.

Posted by: whig at July 09, 2025 12:06 PM (ctrM5)

241 Where is Old Hampshire?
Posted by: Boss Moss

Northeast of London off the top of my head. Could be wrong.

Posted by: From about That Time at July 09, 2025 12:06 PM (n4GiU)

242 Could be a shire.

Possible.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 12:05 PM (GBKbO)

It's spelled Pshire. The P is silent.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 09, 2025 12:06 PM (/Em/Z)

243 223 32

Posted by: Nova Local at July 09, 2025 11:58 AM (tOcjL)

Yeah thats way south.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 09, 2025 12:03 PM (snZF9)

I wouldn't say WAY South...but definitely not North or Central...South Jersey is where Philly fans come from, so they are different than the New Yorkers from the North, and the borderlands in Trenton (aka Central Jersey)...

Beaches like Cape May are way south...Wildwood and Wildwood Crest were my dad's beaches of choice (b/c they were huge and free)...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 09, 2025 12:07 PM (tOcjL)

244 Nova Caesarea is the scientific name for New Jersey.

Posted by: State Flag at July 09, 2025 12:07 PM (G5+As)

245 "Christ promises for those that believe in him, a second life. I believe."

And a better one

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 09, 2025 12:07 PM (jJR4p)

246 So far, the evidence suggests that transplants to Texas are blue-state refugees, not left-wing colonists.
Posted by: Caiwyn
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So far, that seems to be the case. But I quit digging much into voting patterns since I quit doing research in the area in the GWB years.

Posted by: whig at July 09, 2025 12:08 PM (ctrM5)

247 228 Where's New New York going to be?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 12:03

*checks map*

GNADC work battalion barrack sites 0001 - 0836, Anchorage-Fargo spur.

Posted by: Office of the Excavator Plenipotentiary, Grand North American Dignity Canal at July 09, 2025 12:08 PM (BI5O2)

248 There are only two reasons to visit Mass: RMBS and RMBS Mom.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 09, 2025 11:53 AM

Too kind, blake, but we have other good Morons here. We keep a low profile.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 09, 2025 12:08 PM (dPfyF)

249 Didn't fed highway exit numbering chane to south to north? Exit 32 would be near the meadowlands now, no?

Posted by: From about That Time at July 09, 2025 12:09 PM (n4GiU)

250 Tony Soprano lived in NJ. Isn’t that a positive for that state? Don’t stop believin’

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 09, 2025 12:09 PM (WnEm5)

251 I believe Gen X is the most right leaning generation, based on those same surveys.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Political socialization. Silents were less FDR supporters than the Greatest Generation was.

Posted by: whig at July 09, 2025 12:09 PM (ctrM5)

252 New Jersey has many negatives. Tiny towns with mayors, councils, "highway departments", too many municipal employees, too many fiefdoms, Mafia, etc. I remember doing a moving job in an apartment building at a major intersection. The four corners of the intersection were in four different towns. Four different police departments. It's like India before 1940 with 600 maharajahs.
Posted by: Substandard State at July 09, 2025 12:02 PM (G5+As)

Yeah, I'd rather live in Tornado, flash flood alley or storm central

Or where I need to rely on Walmart for everything. Yep. That's the place for me.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at July 09, 2025 12:10 PM (5xuJ/)

253 224 With the hard core lefty Boomers who all were in attendance at Woodstock dying off...

I was forbidden to even think about it but among my distant associates who attended, most were just bathless groggins and potheads with no particular political affiliation - ever - but most have always enjoyed a hand up.

Now the Future Teachers of America crowd, they were & remained the Lefties.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 09, 2025 12:10 PM (NFX2v)

254 Because I live at least 15 miles from the NJ Turnpike. Why use that as a marker.? I just use the highway I live off of.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2025 12:11 PM (2GCMq)

255 225 Ah, the dreaded corporate transplants!

We have 30-something know-it-alls coming in from all over the states, creating havoc and telling everyone that they're not meeting expectations, not meeting the company's standards and driving out all of the locals.

Everyone of them lied on their resumes and lied in their interviews and they know nothing and have no practical experience.

They rack up debt, make no improvements and eventually return to where they came from because they are exposed for being frauds and incompetents.

Sometimes the illegals serve a better purpose.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone
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AI is coming like a scythe for a lot of white collar middle manager types. Cheaper to produce corporate gibberish and TPS reports using AI than living corporate drones.

This coming era will be as different as the Industrial Revolution---if you want to flourish as a youngster, figure out how to be a producer rather than a drone.

Posted by: whig at July 09, 2025 12:13 PM (ctrM5)

256 Yeah, I'd rather live in Tornado, flash flood alley or storm central Or where I need to rely on Walmart for everything. Yep. That's the place for me.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy

Pfffft! NJ was brought to it's knees by Tropical Storm Sandy to the tune of billions of dollars. It was a hurricane whenit went by here and we shrugged it off.

Posted by: The Old North State. at July 09, 2025 12:13 PM (G5+As)

257 Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 09, 2025 12:09 PM (WnEm5)

Never met him. 😉 John. Witherspoon , the signer of the Declaration of Independence lived here as well. Never met him either but I would have liked to.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 09, 2025 12:14 PM (2GCMq)

258 OTOH a meatball parm from WaWa is as good as a restaurant's elsewhere.

Posted by: DaveA at July 09, 2025 12:15 PM (FhXTo)

259 250 Tony Soprano lived in NJ. Isn’t that a positive for that state? Don’t stop believin’
Posted by: LinusVanPelt

Skinny Joey & Salvatore Merlino have owned several houses in Philly. That's a positive for the city and the state.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 09, 2025 12:17 PM (NFX2v)

260 I believe Gen X is the most right leaning generation, based on those same surveys.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 09, 2025 12:05 PM (GBKbO)
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And Boomers were the most left-leaning, apparently, which shocked the heck out of me. From left to right:
1. Boomers
2. Millennials
3. Gen Z
4. Gen X

Posted by: Caiwyn at July 09, 2025 12:18 PM (7klqb)

261 I moved to a small town in Kansas to work for a manufacturer during the wonderful Obama years. Not my first choice but the money and incentives were good. I'm a suburbanite at heart, so I wasn't into the whole huntin' and fishin' thing, but we managed OK. Never felt like I was 100% accepted but I wouldn't expect to be as over the course of my tenure I had to fire about half the employees who worked at the plant.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 09, 2025 12:22 PM (qwx/I)

262 And Boomers were the most left-leaning, apparently, which shocked the heck out of me.

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Not me. My parents were conservative boomers. But most of my dad's large family and all my mom's friends were Leftists. My dad's family, they are ideologically pure, literally Maoist fanatics. Fire breathing Communists. My mom's friends were just AWFLs who consider progressive politics as a crucial social marker. But it boils down the same.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 09, 2025 12:24 PM (BI5O2)

263 Relevant Question: Who among Us of the Horde has / has not changed their place of residence becos of (say it!) Politics. I'm fortunate to have moved to Tennessee - even tho' The Littlest Asshat 'Mayor' of N'ville, Fredrique O'Connell (or is it O'Donnell?) has done - and is doing - his damnedest to make it San Francisco Central ('SanFran Zentrale!'). I'm in an outlying ville that, for all practical purposes, is still relatively conservative and sane(-ish). How long that'll last is a guess and a crapshoot, and if I'm anywhere near lucky, I'll be dead by the time it all collapses. Step right up! Get'cha numbers here! Every one a winner! Every one a loser. Step right up! ...

Posted by: Dr_No at July 09, 2025 12:31 PM (ayRl+)

264 Florida has received the second most internal immigrants. They have gone form a purple state to a solidly red one. Most leftist blue staters who left went to other blue states.

Posted by: BufordGooch at July 09, 2025 12:31 PM (ZoHZd)

265 Where is Old Hampshire?

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Doing very well despite a red/blue divide. Interesting facts, the blue voters come from the north of the state from Maine and Vermont. The towns bordering on Taxachusetts are very red do to the fact that people moved north across the border. Even a move of a few miles is disruptive for families, so they don't want NH to adopt the blue state policies they escaped.

The governor's office has been red for many years and the governor is very accessible. Friends at work for various reasons have called the governor personally to give their opinion about something.

The state government is small and the towns are responsible for most of the upkeep. Budgets for each town are voted by town meetings.

Downside is the weather. All things considered, I'd rather deal with down power lines in the winter if it keeps the lazy riff raff looking at other states to spoil.

Posted by: Levin at July 09, 2025 12:56 PM (P9+JS)

266 We fled Wa to Tennessee.

We and our fellow refugees are more conservative than any of the locals.

We know more refugees from California than we know locals.

NE Tennessee is getting very expensive and crowded.

Posted by: SoUgly at July 09, 2025 12:57 PM (yf5/z)

267 "Relevant Question: Who among Us of the Horde has / has not changed their place of residence becos of (say it!)"

Tennessee won for us. Our criteria: 1) Red. 2) No state income tax. 3_ Reasonable economic opportunity. 4) Weather should not be unbearable for half the year like Alaska, TX, Florida, Wyoming or South Dakota.

Posted by: SoUgly at July 09, 2025 01:01 PM (yf5/z)

268 I’m retired and living in deep blue suburban Crook County near Chicago. I’ve lived here so long that my deep blue liberal friends just assume that I am one of them. I’ve yet to find a friend who is conservative like me, probably because they are undercover as well. Recently, the ladies in my group were all excited about Prickster’s announcement that he would be seeking a 3rd term as governor and perhaps running for President in 2028. God help us! They all think he’s done a fantastic job. They believe all the mainstream media lies. Illinois seeks its own death.

Posted by: Annie Rose at July 09, 2025 02:14 PM (YlZ9F)

269 I think most of these folks are refugees ... progs in Cali ALREADY think its a great place to live, they have no reason to flee ... I would think the vast majority of those arriving are moving AWAY from Cali for a better life (i.e. not daily liberal nonsense)

Posted by: The Dark Lord at July 09, 2025 02:23 PM (DBAaD)

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