Gun Thread: Vacation Edition 1.0

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving hell did it get to be the Vacation Edition v1.0? Yep, that's correct guys and gals, We're headed to the beach for a week. Frankly my rigorous retirement schedule of napping, smoking cigars, and playing with Fun Size Joe & Gertie has been so exhausting I found I already needed a break. Thank you for understanding!

Fun Vacation Update: So we left Northern Virginia Saturday morning and about six hours later arrived at Surf City, NC. As we neared the beach, a portable digital road sign displayed the following message: TROPICAL STORM WARNING IN EFFECT which needless to say was something of a surprise as the last time I had looked at the weather the forecast was for fairly typical summer beach conditions. Anyhoo, it rained and blew bigly all Saturday night and into Sunday morning, but appears to be clearing, and I was able to venture out to get donuts and bagels for breakfast.

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals

Q: Weasel, with you on vacation, do we get a respite from fundamentals?
A: No. No, you most certainly do not.

Adherents of WeaselDoctrine know one of the most basic fundamentals of establishing good fundamentals, especially for new shooters, is confining your range time to a single firearm. All guns are different, and I think it is important to establish your initial 'feel' for shooting on one platform rather than switching around with multiple firearms and mixing-up the characteristics of each. If you switch thru a lot of guns in a single session, you're likely not to recall the specifics of any one, but rather only a confusing blur of grip, trigger and recoil impressions. There is plenty of time to experiment later, but at first you want to focus on one gun to imprint good habits onto your brain molecules.

Even experienced shooters lessen the relative value of range time by constantly switching among guns because each time you change you must learn, or re-learn, the feel of the new firearm. Is this the end of the world? No. Does it make your range time and practice less efficient? Yes.

Don't take my word for it, let's see what par pal Hickok45 has to say on the matter.

Plinking and trying new guns is part of the funsies of shooting, I get it. Just don't let that rob you of a chance to focus on fundamentals and get the most from your range time.

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Burton 1917 LMR

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More Hickok45!

Going to war?

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Beginner's Guide to Ammo

Which, incidentally, you should be buying.

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Scale of Dinero

Millions? Billions? Trillions? Makes you think.

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Our Pal Trinitite

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Highway Patrol

This week's episode: Phony Cop.

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Beginning Of The End!

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

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1 Yay! Guns!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2025 07:00 PM (Wnv9h)

2 Bang

Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2025 07:01 PM (SZI4h)

3 Now I'll go make that drink.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2025 07:01 PM (Wnv9h)

4 And just having supper and missed the thread

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2025 07:04 PM (+qU29)

5 "Beginning of the End" from Bert I. Gordon. Who continued to make films way into the 80's and a bit beyond.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 06, 2025 07:04 PM (CHHv1)

6 Howdy.

Posted by: GWB at July 06, 2025 07:04 PM (2z4c3)

7 Yup. Just got back from my own retirement vacation.
You catch on fast, Weasel!

Posted by: RI Red at July 06, 2025 07:04 PM (+hwtP)

8 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2025 07:05 PM (+qU29)

9 Vacation? Was this Horde approved,?

Posted by: Ben Had at July 06, 2025 07:06 PM (HFcKg)

10 So we left Northern Virginia Saturday morning and about six hours later arrived at Surf City, NC.

The NC stands for No Charlie, right?

Posted by: Lt. Col. Kilgore at July 06, 2025 07:06 PM (0sNs1)

11 6 hours? Weasel did you bicycle?

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2025 07:09 PM (+qU29)

12 Whelp, Mr. Weasel, I guess I blotted my copybook with my last range session. I'd been focusing on revolvers for the past few months, so I decided to get some trigger time on my 9mms for a change. I started by refamiliarizing myself with my alternate EDC, the FN Reflex, then spent some time with the SA-35 and finally my favorite 9 mil, the Tisas Stingray - a Commander-size 1911 - which I think is my favorite in that caliber. At least I shoot my best with it. It was good to get back to semiautos for a while.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at July 06, 2025 07:11 PM (Nv7IA)

13 No range time, again. Our a/c went out the last Friday in June. It took 5 days to get an HVAC guy to come out (they were waaaaay overbooked). It was what I figures it was - the condenser fan ist kaput. So, I put in a couple of window units I keep for emergencies (take that, preppers!) and we have two rooms we can live in while we wait for that part. (Did I mention that everybody is working overtime on fixing a/c units right now?)

I did notice my pistol was sticking a bit in my leather holster today. I've solved that for now.

Going to a show in southern Virginia later this week. I've searched and searched and found NO prohibitions against weapons, much less firearms for the venue. So, I hope I don't have to go back to the car and put it away.

Posted by: GWB at July 06, 2025 07:12 PM (2z4c3)

14 Since Weasel forgot to include a musical interlude for tonight's Thread, I'll fill in:

https://tinyurl.com/3px2ecc2

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2025 07:13 PM (0sNs1)

15 Duncanthrax, can you throw him a cigar too?

Posted by: Ben Had at July 06, 2025 07:14 PM (HFcKg)

16 Did I also mention that I got my Washington state non-resident license a week or more back? Well, I did.

Now I have to work out a trip to Colorado. Because they just changed the rules and no longer offer reciprocity, and I will need a non-resident license there, too.

Evil people running that state.

Posted by: GWB at July 06, 2025 07:14 PM (2z4c3)

17
I believe the cheesy giant insect movie fad of the 1950s began with "Them" (1954), which actually wasn't a bad movie. Giant ants colonizing the storm drains under LA.

Giant grasshoppers, spiders etc. followed.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 06, 2025 07:14 PM (QwK6F)

18 Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special hold-on-tight-so-you-don't-get-blown-away greeting to our host Weasel.

Renewing my state concealed carry permit tomorrow morning -- does that count as quality Gub Thread content?

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at July 06, 2025 07:17 PM (v23vE)

19 Duncanthrax, can you throw him a cigar too?
Posted by: Ben Had at July 06, 2025 07:14 PM

They're soggy, unfortunately, and I have no way to replenish at the moment.

If Ruby lived here, I wouldn't have to worry about her taking her love to town tonight, as the bridge is flooded again. :-|

Maybe somebody has a Swisher Sweet they can toss his way?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2025 07:17 PM (0sNs1)

20 Giant grasshoppers, spiders etc. followed.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 06, 2025 07:14 PM (QwK6F)

And, if you paid attention, a lot of stock science film shots incorporated into those films. I don't remember which movie I had watched, then watched some old science class movie, and there was the same shot! That made my day as the movie projector student back when.

Posted by: GWB at July 06, 2025 07:18 PM (2z4c3)

21 @17 Bert Gordon was responsible for a lot of them. Also, giant humans ("The Amazing Colossal Man" was his) and tiny humans ("Attack of the Puppet People").

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 06, 2025 07:18 PM (CHHv1)

22 Renewing my state concealed carry permit tomorrow morning -- does that count as quality Gub Thread content?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at July 06, 2025 07:17 PM

Depends. Do you have to requalify?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2025 07:18 PM (0sNs1)

23 "The Beginning of the End" was always special for me because they lured the giant bugs through.the "Ludlow" area -- and our home phone number was LUdlow 5-6318. I thought I'd see giant grasshoppers come through our back yard! (Hey! I was six).

Posted by: JM in Illinois at July 06, 2025 07:19 PM (q/UWX)

24 That made my day as the movie projector student back when.
Posted by: GWB at July 06, 2025 07:18 PM

AV Club, FTW!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2025 07:19 PM (0sNs1)

25 Ahhhhh vacation. Looking forward myself a week or so off near the end of the month.

No range time to write about here, but I think I will take a day during my vacation to let lose and work on those FUNdamentals that is being talked about so much.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 07:19 PM (0XVad)

26 Renewing my state concealed carry permit tomorrow morning -- does that count as quality Gub Thread content?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at July 06, 2025 07:17 PM (v23vE)

Do you have to go in and do paperwork by hand?
Washington and Virginia both have adopted an online portal (exact same one) for applying and renewing. The only physical presence I needed was for the new one in WA, where I had to go get electronically fingerprinted.

Posted by: GWB at July 06, 2025 07:20 PM (2z4c3)

27 Duncanthrax, do I need to send flotation devices,,?

Posted by: Ben Had at July 06, 2025 07:20 PM (HFcKg)

28 Howdy!

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at July 06, 2025 07:23 PM (sAmhv)

29 Texas Constitutional Carry. Strap it n pack it.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 06, 2025 07:23 PM (HFcKg)

30 Scoobs, where are you taking vacation? The Mountains, perchance?

Posted by: RI Red at July 06, 2025 07:24 PM (+hwtP)

31 Duncanthrax, do I need to send flotation devices,,?
Posted by: Ben Had at July 06, 2025 07:20 PM

Nah, just stuck on this side of the bridge, but it's where home, hearth, and Ace the TXMoMe cat are, so we're good.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2025 07:24 PM (0sNs1)

32 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at July 06, 2025 07:24 PM (BCwQW)

33 Greetings to all of the GunHorde and a bigly thank you to Weasel.

Hope everyone had a wonderful Independence Day weekend and best wishes for a fantastic week to come

Posted by: Coelacanth at July 06, 2025 07:26 PM (NJL5e)

34 My vacation has started. Will be driving up to Western PA Tuesday. There will be golfing, fishing, and as much range time as I can get.

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at July 06, 2025 07:27 PM (sAmhv)

35 Freedom is always one second amendment vote away.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 06, 2025 07:28 PM (HFcKg)

36 22 Renewing my state concealed carry permit tomorrow morning -- does that count as quality Gub Thread content?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at July 06, 2025 07:17 PM

Depends. Do you have to requalify?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2025 07:18 PM (0sNs1)

No, sir, I only had to provide a certificate of shootin' edumacation the first time around (ironically, during COVID, when I had to stand outside the issuing office for ~4 hours because of "social distancing"). Renewal is just a paperwork and payment exercise.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at July 06, 2025 07:29 PM (v23vE)

37 Good evening fellow reprobates.
Why yes, I made it to the range today. I woke up,feeling like crap but thanks to my good friend and shooting partner Iris, managed to get there and had a great time. There were only three of us today but had a great session. I worked on trigger pull so got in my fundamentals but had fun shooting a 32 that Ed L brought and Iris's EP 9.
Vision still not perfect but beginning to adjust. Then we went to dinner and Hrothgar joined us for some good conversation.
Life is good.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 06, 2025 07:31 PM (t/2Uw)

38 34 Will be driving up to Western PA Tuesday. There will be...as much range time as I can get.

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at July 06, 2025 07:27 PM
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Do you have a favorite range in Western PA?

Posted by: TRex at July 06, 2025 07:32 PM (IQ6Gq)

39 Had a question, not that I am doing it. In the BBB saw some firearms laws might change and barrel length.
From what point to end is the correct measurement?

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2025 07:32 PM (+qU29)

40 Spend a trillion dollars here spend a trillion dollars there
pretty soon you are talking real money.
_something Elon Musk may have said

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 06, 2025 07:33 PM (pyBzP)

41 [Your State] Constitutional Carry. Strap it n pack it.

Why you still need a CCP?

Because Uncle Fed has made it a illegal to even think about being near a school without [Your State] entirely pointless CCP.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 06, 2025 07:33 PM (/lPRQ)

42 Florida Grasshoppers grow up to four inches long. They are beasts! Hard bodies, hard to kill. Bring on the atom bombs!
.

Posted by: JM in Illinois at July 06, 2025 07:34 PM (q/UWX)

43 39 Had a question, not that I am doing it. In the BBB saw some firearms laws might change and barrel length.
From what point to end is the correct measurement?
Posted by: Skip
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I'm curious about those laws too.
How short can a shotgun barrel be and how is it measured?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 06, 2025 07:35 PM (pyBzP)

44 30 Posted by: RI Red at July 06, 2025 07:24 PM

It will be a staycation. Will be off from the 24th through the 30th. One of those days I have to go to the DMV to renew my DL.

No trips planned for the rest of the year until Europe in Sept and hopefully sneaking out of work for a day and a half to head down to Texas in October.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 07:37 PM (0XVad)

45 Guns in novels. Who does it better, tech-wise, than Stephen Hunter?

I just finished "Black Light," the #2 book in the Bob Lee Swagger series.

Posted by: M. Gaga at July 06, 2025 07:40 PM (zeLd4)

46 From what point to end is the correct measurement?
Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2025 07:32 PM

If The Paolo had a dollar for every time, how you say, he's been asked this ...

Posted by: Paolo at July 06, 2025 07:41 PM (0sNs1)

47 hopefully sneaking out of work for a day and a half to head down to Texas in October.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 07:37 PM

Hopefully?

Do. Or do not. There is no hopefully.

- Stuff Yoda Said, probably

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2025 07:41 PM (Wnv9h)

48 Hey Weasel, I know you recommended getting a Nightforce scope with the MOAR-T reticle, but I am seeing one that I like that if I do not get the MOAR-T I could get the MOAR 20 MOA Illuminated.

Comparing the two and they are almost identical. Any drawback to going with the illuminated one?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 07:41 PM (0XVad)

49 No trips planned for the rest of the year until Europe in Sept and hopefully sneaking out of work for a day and a half to head down to Texas in October.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 07:37 PM (0XVad)

Hope you can make it happen!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at July 06, 2025 07:44 PM (v23vE)

50 I picked up a new Walther PPK in .32 ACP on Thursday and brought it to the range to share w/ Sharon and Iris. The PPK in .32 ACP is a lot more fun to shoot than the .380 ACP version. There's practically no recoil to speak of. Shooting the PPK with one hand only is quite easy. The redesigned beavertail does its job of keeping your hand away from the slide. The biggest downside of the new PPK is (just like the original PPK) the sights. The sights have red dots painted on them, but they're so difficult to pick up (especially in low light) that they might as well not be there. 10 yards is about as far as I can push the PPK and still get hits on target. For anyone sensitive to recoil, the PPK chambered in .32 ACP might be worth looking into. And where else can you get that 007 vibe but with a PPK in the original Bond caliber?

Posted by: Ed L at July 06, 2025 07:44 PM (BCwQW)

51 Comparing the two and they are almost identical. Any drawback to going with the illuminated one?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 07:41 PM (0XVad)
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You hunting in low light conditions?

Posted by: Weasel at July 06, 2025 07:45 PM (3aNof)

52 And where else can you get that 007 vibe but with a PPK in the original Bond caliber?
Posted by: Ed L at July 06, 2025 07:44 PM

That little thing can shoot. I might need to pick one up one of these days.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2025 07:47 PM (Wnv9h)

53 38 34 Will be driving up to Western PA Tuesday. There will be...as much range time as I can get.

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at July 06, 2025 07:27 PM
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Do you have a favorite range in Western PA?

Posted by: TRex

Heh! Which ever one my friend is a member of. He joined a new one this year but I don't know which one. Find out when I get up there.

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at July 06, 2025 07:48 PM (sAmhv)

54 47 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2025 07:41 PM

Yeah, well my supervisor is taking his mandatory two weeks at that time, leaving me and another guy to cover his work. Would not be nice to dump everything on him. I may be close to retirement but I am not at the point where I do NGAF.
Going to check with the department head and see if I can skedaddle for the day and a half.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 07:49 PM (0XVad)

55 From what point to end is the correct measurement?

Bolt face to muzzle. I can not personally confirm but I have been told that the procedure is to drop an 18 (shotgun) or 16 (rifle) inch dowel into the unloaded firearm and if it protrudes, you're in violation. There is currently some controversy over whether pinned and soldered muzzle devices count.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2025 07:50 PM (/y8xj)

56 Speaking of guns, finally got my baby gun back from Ruger (looong story), but I probably won't get to shoot it (or anything else) at the Texas MoMe this year, as I am just too physically weak right now (combo of Myasthenia and chemo).

I'll still bring it, though - maybe some other ladies would like to take it for a test spin!

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Plucky Comic Relief, AoS Ladies Brigade - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at July 06, 2025 07:51 PM (SRRAx)

57 Florida Grasshoppers grow up to four inches long. They are beasts! Hard bodies, hard to kill. Bring on the atom bombs!
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Posted by: JM in Illinois at July 06, 2025 07:34 PM (q/UWX)
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Uh, so you want to make them bigger and tougher?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 06, 2025 07:51 PM (IBQGV)

58 49 Hope you can make it happen!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at July 06, 2025 07:44 PM

Working on it.

And for TXMoMe 2026 if you are up for driving down again let me know. Will probably be breaking in a new gun and a new car. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 07:51 PM (0XVad)

59 Scoob - the "T" in MOAR-T stands for Target subtensions which are thinner to prevent obscuring the intended point of impact. The result is a more uncluttered view. Most people who find themselves with an illuminated reticle take the batteries out of them.

Posted by: Weasel at July 06, 2025 07:51 PM (3aNof)

60 In the BBB saw some firearms laws might change and barrel length.
From what point to end is the correct measurement?
Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2025 07:32 PM (+qU29)

Not an expert, let alone a lawyer. But I understand that the barrel length is measured from the end of the chamber to where the rifling stops. For most, that's the muzzle. But you can have a shorter barrel IF you have a muzzle device permanently attached to the end of the barrel ("pinned and welded") to get your rifle to 16". Example: The Colt 6920 reproduction SOCOM M4A1 has a 14.5" barrel. But it also has a "pinned and welded" muzzle device/flash hider that brings the overall barrel to 16", thus avoiding SBR territory and NFA status.

Posted by: Ed L at July 06, 2025 07:52 PM (BCwQW)

61 51 You hunting in low light conditions?

Posted by: Weasel at July 06, 2025 07:45 PM

Ummmmm, no? Not yet, and my lawyer suggested that I keep my mouth shut. :-P

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 07:52 PM (0XVad)

62 Guns in novels. Who does it better, tech-wise, than Stephen Hunter?

I just finished "Black Light," the #2 book in the Bob Lee Swagger series.
Posted by: M. Gaga at July 06, 2025 07:40 PM (zeLd4)

Wait until you read "The Third Bullet".

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at July 06, 2025 07:53 PM (Nv7IA)

63 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 07:49 PM

I get it. As deputy GC, I schedule my vacations around the boss'. Hope to see you out there.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2025 07:53 PM (Wnv9h)

64 Ummmmm, no? Not yet, and my lawyer suggested that I keep my mouth shut. :-P
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 07:52 PM (0XVad)
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Not much use for an illuminated reticle then.

Posted by: Weasel at July 06, 2025 07:54 PM (3aNof)

65 Guns in novels. Who does it better, tech-wise, than Stephen Hunter?
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Can't speak to Hunter, but Mark Greaney in his 'Gray Man' series must have kept a copy of some absolute encyclopedia of small arms as he wrote the books.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 06, 2025 07:54 PM (XeU6L)

66 That little thing can shoot. I might need to pick one up one of these days.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2025 07:47 PM (Wnv9h)

It's a single stack too, so it should be legal even your part of the world. Did Bunny like it?

Posted by: Ed L at July 06, 2025 07:55 PM (BCwQW)

67 The one difference I thought besides one end of barrel to beginning would be minus the round, so say a 12ga put round in then have to add 18 inches.

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2025 07:56 PM (+qU29)

68 It's a single stack too, so it should be legal even your part of the world. Did Bunny like it?
Posted by: Ed L at July 06, 2025 07:55 PM

Yeah, that's legal up here.

The mom liked it, but I had to explain the "00" comment. She's not a Bond fan.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2025 07:56 PM (Wnv9h)

69 59 Scoob - the "T" in MOAR-T stands for Target subtensions which are thinner to prevent obscuring the intended point of impact. The result is a more uncluttered view. Most people who find themselves with an illuminated reticle take the batteries out of them.

Posted by: Weasel at July 06, 2025 07:51 PM

Thanks Weasel. Will go with your suggestion.
I am thinking after I get back from Europe I will start acquiring everything but the rifle for my next build.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 07:57 PM (0XVad)

70 I am thinking after I get back from Europe I will start acquiring everything but the rifle for my next build.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 07:57 PM

I need to start looking around for my next rifle, too. We're thinking about a Greece trip next Spring, so I might have to put that on hold for a bit.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2025 08:00 PM (Wnv9h)

71 Who does it better, tech-wise, than Stephen Hunter?
Posted by: M. Gaga at July 06, 2025 07:40 PM (zeLd4)

Possibly Larry Correia. But if they're even close, then I should maybe read Mr Hunter.

Posted by: GWB at July 06, 2025 08:01 PM (2z4c3)

72 And for TXMoMe 2026 if you are up for driving down again let me know. Will probably be breaking in a new gun and a new car. :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 07:51 PM (0XVad)

I'll keep it in mind, but your faith in my advanced planning skills is misplaced -- I don't even know what I'm going to have for breakfast tomorrow, let alone what I'm doing next fall.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at July 06, 2025 08:01 PM (v23vE)

73 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 07:57 PM (0XVad)
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You bet!

Posted by: Weasel at July 06, 2025 08:03 PM (fFFrU)

74 72 I don't even know what I'm going to have for breakfast tomorrow, let alone what I'm doing next fall.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at July 06, 2025 08:01 PM

No worries. There will be reminders over the course of time.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 08:03 PM (0XVad)

75 When it comes to gubs accuracy, I've been disappointed by Kurt Schlichter has disappointed me more than once.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2025 08:05 PM (0sNs1)

76 GOA has filed a suit challenging NFA in light of the $0 tax. This might be a good time to join since if they do get a preliminary injunction, it will likely only apply to the parties to the suit. Other 2A orgs are queuing up similar suits.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2025 08:06 PM (/y8xj)

77 Well, that was a comment that needed editing.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2025 08:06 PM (0sNs1)

78 Looks like the tax on silencers doesn't drop to zero until the first of January.

tiny.cc/64so001

I've been seeing ads from manufacturers offering "free" tax stamps for several weeks now, as they try to keep product moving. Sort of makes a fellow wonder how big the profit margins are in the silencer industry if they can eat a $200 per unit cost.

"We can sell below cost because we make it up in volume!"

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at July 06, 2025 08:06 PM (r6SF4)

79 Tonight's Highway Patrol episode ends with a line that made me smile, but could never be uttered today:

"You're like all women. You're fascinated by the telephone."

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at July 06, 2025 08:09 PM (v23vE)

80 When it comes to gubs accuracy, I've been disappointed by Kurt Schlichter has disappointed me more than once.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2025 08:05 PM (0sNs1)

Yeah, for a self-described gun guy, he made some really obvious mistakes in his latest novel.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at July 06, 2025 08:09 PM (Nv7IA)

81 if they do get a preliminary injunction, it will likely only apply to the parties to the suit.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2025 08:06 PM (/y8xj)

Not according to those district courts!
But SCOTUS says you're right.

Posted by: GWB at July 06, 2025 08:09 PM (2z4c3)

82 I took a break from Gubs last week, seeing as how I had dishonored my Ancestors the week before.
Of course, vacation was in Massachusetts where they arrest you if you sneeze too loudly.
I’m going to make up for it shortly.

Posted by: RI Red at July 06, 2025 08:10 PM (J5F+L)

83 I've been seeing ads from manufacturers offering "free" tax stamps for several weeks now
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at July 06, 2025 08:06 PM (r6SF4)

Oof. I've been seeing them for months. Off and on since last Christmas, at least. The difference since late May or so is that they've become back-to-back with nary any time in-between.

Posted by: GWB at July 06, 2025 08:11 PM (2z4c3)

84 There is rain in the forecast for the next 7 days!

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 06, 2025 08:11 PM (t/2Uw)

85 80 When it comes to gubs accuracy, I've been disappointed by Kurt Schlichter has disappointed me more than once.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 06, 2025 08:05 PM (0sNs1)

Yeah, for a self-described gun guy, he made some really obvious mistakes in his latest novel.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at July 06, 2025 08:09 PM (Nv7IA)

Well, in fairness to Kurt (who I've met in real life, so I'm biased), his home of record was California, where the laws don't allow much in the way of private gun experience. He's moving to Texas, though, so maybe we can summon him to a TXMoMe for re-education.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at July 06, 2025 08:13 PM (v23vE)

86 "We can sell below cost because we make it up in volume!"
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at July 06, 2025 08:06 PM (r6SF4)

I've heard from my friendly B&T dealer that if you have a particular make and model of suppressor you want, you might want to eat the $200 stamp in order to pick up the suppressor you want. He thinks that come January 1, it'll be "Katie bar the door" when it comes to suppressor demand.

Posted by: Ed L at July 06, 2025 08:14 PM (BCwQW)

87 In re: BBB, and a $0.00 suppressor tax (absolutely ripe for a challenge - I wonder if it was planned that way?), I find I “need” a can for my pistol caliber carbine (minimum 9 mm, likely .45 cal).
Any buyer reviews?

Posted by: RI Red at July 06, 2025 08:16 PM (J5F+L)

88 Yeah, for a self-described gun guy, he made some really obvious mistakes in his latest novel.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at July 06, 2025 08:09 PM (Nv7IA)

If a Moron offers technical advice, will Kurt put them into one of his books as a thank you? Like what Ian Fleming did for Geoffrey Boothroyd?

Posted by: Ed L at July 06, 2025 08:17 PM (BCwQW)

89 There is rain in the forecast for the next 7 days!
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 06, 2025 08:11 PM

Looking like a wet week up here, too.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2025 08:17 PM (Wnv9h)

90 75 When it comes to gubs accuracy, I've been disappointed by Kurt Schlichter has disappointed me more than once.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
=====
Larry Correia is a better bet despite writing 'sci fi' or fantasy.

Posted by: whig at July 06, 2025 08:18 PM (ctrM5)

91 Of course, vacation was in Massachusetts where they arrest you if you sneeze too loudly.
I’m going to make up for it shortly.
Posted by: RI Red at July 06, 2025 08:10 PM

You vacationed...here...?

O_o

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2025 08:19 PM (Wnv9h)

92 How short can a shotgun barrel be and how is it measured?
Posted by: Braenyard
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Check for no ammo.
Close the bolt, take a rod and put it all the way down the barrel. Mark line where the rod exits the muzzle (I use wood btw as easier on the barrel but brass is ok too.). Measure length in inches--voila. By the way, permanently attached (pinned and welded) flash hiders, etc. count as part of the barrel.

Posted by: whig at July 06, 2025 08:21 PM (ctrM5)

93 In re: BBB, and a $0.00 suppressor tax (absolutely ripe for a challenge - I wonder if it was planned that way?)

Maybe? At least one of the senior ratfaces -- uh, I mean honorable Democrats -- at least saw the possibility and tried to foist a last minute amendment changing $0 to $1 which, thankfully, failed.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2025 08:22 PM (/y8xj)

94 I live in the town where "Kingdom of the Spiders" takes place, and where it was filmed with William Shatner, Woody Stode, et al.. in 1976.
In one scene, Shatner drives by my father-in-laws house.

The producers spent 10% of the total budget on tarantulas procured by Mexican Spider Wranglers.

I saw Mexican Spider Wranglers open for the Beetles at the NAU 'Skydome' in '79.

Posted by: retropox at July 06, 2025 08:26 PM (JA+/W)

95 *Strode.

Posted by: retropox at July 06, 2025 08:26 PM (JA+/W)

96 The BBB and $0.00 suppressor tax mean nothing to me. Will still be illegal to own one here in the Peoples Republic of New York State (City).

Now, if they somehow remove suppressors from the NFA, maybe I can persuade a friend in Texas to purchase and hold one for me. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 08:27 PM (0XVad)

97 Now, if they somehow remove suppressors from the NFA, maybe I can persuade a friend in Texas to purchase and hold one for me. :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 08:27 PM

*le sigh*

Yeah...MA will always suck in this regard until the SC nukes suppressor bans. I might have to ask my buddy in NH to hold one for me. We used to be a proper country.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2025 08:28 PM (Wnv9h)

98 76 Posted by: Oddbob at July 06, 2025 08:06 PM

I am a member of GOA. Going to make a little donation to them for the upcoming lawsuit.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 08:29 PM (0XVad)

99 There is currently some controversy over whether pinned and soldered muzzle devices count.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Solder (even hard silver solder) does not count by ATF regs. Pinned and welded does.

FWIW, best to add a fudge factor aka 16.1 inches or 18.1 inches for a shottie if you are cutting down a barrel or having a gunsmith do it for you. Technically, you can have a short barrel that is shorter but it gets sticky if you 'constructively' have all the parts such as an AR upper receiver that does not have a stock on it, and so on. Parts, even not installed, like certain AR parts, can be 'constructively' construed by the ATF in cases that you are violating the law on either SBRs or even machine guns.

At one time, I was interested in buying old submachine gun parts for assembling dummies of guns like the Sten, Uzi, etc. After reading the regs, I decided to stick with old bolt action rifle restoration. One poor sob, a good sailor with a spotless record, is currently in federal prison for a total miscarriage of justice. ATF examiner purposefully took one of that guy's dummy sub machine guns and got it to fire once with substitution of an upper receiver. Conviction.

Posted by: whig at July 06, 2025 08:29 PM (ctrM5)

100 Be sure to visit The Daily Grind! And notice the picture of the handsome gentleman over one of the tables.

Posted by: GeorgeWaterhouse at July 06, 2025 08:34 PM (r2weV)

101 Going to call it a night.

Enjoy the vacation Weasel.

Will see the rest of you next Sunday!!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 06, 2025 08:39 PM (0XVad)

102 It's quiet out here...too quiet...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2025 08:39 PM (Wnv9h)

103 Have a good one, Scoob.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2025 08:40 PM (Wnv9h)

104 RMBS, I, of course, would not in my wildest dreams, contribute to a suppressor straw purchase!
But I might add certain beneficiaries to my Trust …

Posted by: RI Red at July 06, 2025 08:40 PM (EK2CC)

105 p.s. to BATFE Barney, I keed, I keed!

Posted by: RI Red at July 06, 2025 08:42 PM (EK2CC)

106 RMBS, I, of course, would not in my wildest dreams, contribute to a suppressor straw purchase!
But I might add certain beneficiaries to my Trust …
Posted by: RI Red at July 06, 2025 08:40 PM

*shifty eyes*

Of course not.

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2025 08:42 PM (Wnv9h)

107 I suppose you empty the shotgun before you measure it.

Posted by: Boss Moss at July 06, 2025 08:44 PM (ximIT)

108 Seriously, I think the BBB is a master stroke in many directions. I can see the 1934 NFA being gutted, or at least without teeth. When suppressors, SBRs and other items are generally available, and the streets don’t run with blood, we will have turned a corner.

Posted by: RI Red at July 06, 2025 08:48 PM (EK2CC)

109 RMBS, if you're interested in a PPK, MSRP is $1,149 per Walther's website. But I picked up my PPK at my LGS for $899 plus sales tax. You shouldn't have to pay full MSRP for a new PPK. Make sure you ask for a .32 ACP version; .380 is still more common than .32 when you look at PPK's for sale.

Posted by: Ed L at July 06, 2025 08:48 PM (BCwQW)

110 We will be in Ohio in a week for the spawn's nationals competition. She up to shooting 5 guns this year. Once again she probably won't win anything but she has fun and builds character.
There are worse things to spend money on.

Posted by: lin-duh at July 06, 2025 08:52 PM (+kWhq)

111 We will be in Ohio in a week for the spawn's nationals competition. She up to shooting 5 guns this year. Once again she probably won't win anything but she has fun and builds character.
There are worse things to spend money on.
Posted by: lin-duh at July 06, 2025 08:52 PM (+kWhq)

Good luck and good shooting to the spawn in nationals!

Posted by: Ed L at July 06, 2025 08:56 PM (BCwQW)

112 111 We will be in Ohio in a week for the spawn's nationals competition. She up to shooting 5 guns this year. Once again she probably won't win anything but she has fun and builds character.
There are worse things to spend money on.
Posted by: lin-duh at July 06, 2025 08:52 PM (+kWhq)

Good luck and good shooting to the spawn in nationals!
Posted by: Ed L at July 06, 2025 08:56 PM (BCwQW)
Best wishes!

Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2025 09:00 PM (SZI4h)

113 Stopping by quickly to brag that I have one of the S&W 1917 revolvers in the video... ackshually it's one of the 1937 Brazilian contract ones. But a very cool revolver and fun to shoot. IIRC, it has been featured on this very Gun Thread.

OT, requesting Horde prayers for my mother. She fell yesterday morning. I didn't hear about it til this morning. (Yeah I'm gonna be a Karen and talk to the manager about that.) Long story short, too early to know if she can bounce back from this. Currently cannot move around or eat without assistance, so may need to go to rehab or respite for awhile. Thanks y'all.

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 06, 2025 09:05 PM (DnMuk)

114 Posted by: screaming in digital at July 06, 2025 09:05 PM

Prayers up, SiD.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2025 09:05 PM (Wnv9h)

115 Many thanks, RMBS

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 06, 2025 09:07 PM (DnMuk)

116 screaming in digital- will do

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2025 09:09 PM (+qU29)

117 OT, requesting Horde prayers for my mother. She fell yesterday morning. I didn't hear about it til this morning. (Yeah I'm gonna be a Karen and talk to the manager about that.) Long story short, too early to know if she can bounce back from this. Currently cannot move around or eat without assistance, so may need to go to rehab or respite for awhile. Thanks y'all.
Posted by: screaming in digital at July 06, 2025 09:05 PM (DnMuk)

Will do, ma'am. Sorry to hear about the incident.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at July 06, 2025 09:10 PM (v23vE)

118 SiD - best wishes for your mom.

All y'all - thanks for being here tonight and hope to see you back here next Sunday for Vacation Edition 2!

Posted by: Weasel at July 06, 2025 09:11 PM (IKyq4)

119 Thanks for a great Gun Thread, Weasel. Enjoy the vacation!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2025 09:14 PM (Wnv9h)

120 Posted by: screaming in digital at July 06, 2025 09:05 PM (DnMuk)

Praying for your mom, SiD. In the last years of his life, my dad fell a couple of times. He really didn't want to use a walker. But after the second time he fell, we (and the doctor) finally convinced him that he really needed to use a walker so he wouldn't fall again. Hopefully, your mom didn't break anything. That's hard to recover from as the years roll on.

Posted by: Ed L at July 06, 2025 09:14 PM (BCwQW)

121 Enjoy your "permanent" vacation, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at July 06, 2025 09:15 PM (BCwQW)

122 SID, our prayers are with you and your Mom...if there is anything I can do, you know how to find me.

Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at July 06, 2025 09:20 PM (IQ6Gq)

123 You use Lucky Gunner videos but don't include them on the ammo buy list. I use them all the time and they are hands down the best. Fast delivery and great selection of ammo. Try them!

Posted by: Dan Duffy at July 06, 2025 09:23 PM (19KQu)

124 Hullo Morons, guns!

Did get to the range, not much to report there, just putting in my reps with my church gun. The PSA Micro Dagger is such a solid pistol. Did get a light primer strike, so will need to clean the striker channel.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at July 06, 2025 09:24 PM (xcxpd)

125 I found Lucky Gunner to be more expensive than a lot of others and they charge shipping. Ammoseek is really good at finding the best price with the lowest shipping costs. Just FYI.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 06, 2025 09:28 PM (t/2Uw)

126 Posted by: Dan Duffy at July 06, 2025 09:23 PM (19KQu)
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Good point and suggestion. I haven't personally used them for ammo purchases and rely on you guys and gals to make the recommendations. I will add them going forward. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at July 06, 2025 09:28 PM (HhaIV)

127 Happy vacation, Weasel!

Posted by: RI Red at July 06, 2025 09:34 PM (7PD8l)

128 Thanks so much, y'all. I appreciate it more than I can express!

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 06, 2025 09:35 PM (DnMuk)

129 Weasel thread signals the weekend is over for me. Back to work tomorrow. Ugh!

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 06, 2025 09:36 PM (36PRH)

130 SiD, always here if you need to talk.❤️

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 06, 2025 09:37 PM (t/2Uw)

131 screaming in digital- my dad fell today at church, he is 88 1/2, he was checked out and given a clean bill but still older people need to use aid to walk

Posted by: Skip at July 06, 2025 09:41 PM (+qU29)

132 Looking like a wet week up here, too.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 06, 2025 08:17 PM (Wnv9h)

"So, Leroy, what's the weather like out there?"
"It's hot and wet! That's nice if you're with a lady; ain't no fun if yo in da jungle."
/Airman Adrian Cronauer(sp?)

Posted by: GWB at July 06, 2025 09:46 PM (2z4c3)

133 Prayers sent for your mom, SiD.

Posted by: GWB at July 06, 2025 09:54 PM (2z4c3)

134 Oh, and thanks, Weasel.

Posted by: GWB at July 06, 2025 09:55 PM (2z4c3)

135 Prayers for you and your Mom, SiD.

Posted by: Eromero at July 06, 2025 09:57 PM (SZI4h)

136 SiD: will keep you and your mom in prayer.

Posted by: Iris at July 06, 2025 10:02 PM (bOJ2I)

137 ONT - God Bless America

Nood

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at July 06, 2025 10:06 PM (ZVgZ4)

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