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The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition
Airlines for America, a trade association of leading U.S. airlines, commended President Donald Trump for signing into law the One Big Beautiful Bill Act that contains a $12.5 billion provision to modernize the country's air traffic control (ATC) systems, the group said in a July 4 statement. The bill, signed by Trump on Independence Day, sets aside roughly $12.5 billion for "acquisition, construction, sustainment, and improvement of facilities and equipment necessary to improve or maintain aviation safety." The amount will be appropriated to the administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and remain available until Sept. 30, 2029.The real question is: Can a competent and aggressive administrator cut through the massive inertia of the FAA (or any other government department) and modernize what is clearly an overstrained system? We have at our fingertips incredible technology that can be leveraged to make our safe skies even safer. But the track record of technological advancement in our government is pathetically bad. Are they still using floppy disks at NASA? CRT screens at the FAA? This will be a significant challenge for President Trump and his appointee, who is a career government man, and that does not fill me with hope! Perhaps he will delegate the technological development to others and focus on what he probably knows best...navigating the labyrinth of government! [Crossposted at CutJibNewsletter and X/Twitter] And the Apple and Spotify feeds for CJN's podcast should be working!
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MONKEY!
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 08, 2025 11:00 AM (N1DT3)
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Commenting sleepless
Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2025 11:01 AM (+qU29)
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We have at our fingertips incredible technology: festive little hats.
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at July 08, 2025 11:02 AM (Hr7F/)
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But what is the proper function of the federal government in today's modern society?
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LOL, that's easy: Whatever the federal clown judge says it is. Or isn't.
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LOL, that's easy: Whatever the federal clown judge says it is. Or isn't.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 08, 2025 11:02 AM (SLYtL)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 11:02 AM (Yh9jm)
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The ATC systems are antiquated by any definition of the word.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2025 11:03 AM (Q4IgG)
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The ATC systems are antiquated by any definition of the word.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2025 11:03 AM (Q4IgG)
They were antiquated 25 years ago.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2025 11:03 AM (Q4IgG)
They were antiquated 25 years ago.
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 08, 2025 11:03 AM (MGB5H)
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The FAA would be an example of a legitimate exercise of the Interstate Commerce Clause, no?
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 11:03 AM (77rzZ)
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Breaking News: ICE Agents have just deported the Taco Bell Chihuahua. More details after the commercial break.
Posted by: CNN at July 08, 2025 11:04 AM (PiwSw)
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We need flying cars. No need for airlines.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 08, 2025 11:04 AM (W3T6M)
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"Can a competent and aggressive administrator cut through the massive inertia of the FAA?"
"Congratulations on your promotion to FAA director. The previous three directors attempted to slow the necessary upgrades to the system. As we are on the roof of this very tall building, I think you can correctly deduce what we did to solve that problem. So, may we have your cooperation?"
"Congratulations on your promotion to FAA director. The previous three directors attempted to slow the necessary upgrades to the system. As we are on the roof of this very tall building, I think you can correctly deduce what we did to solve that problem. So, may we have your cooperation?"
Posted by: NR Pax at July 08, 2025 11:04 AM (NR6c1)
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I was promised a flying car by now as a kid
Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2025 11:05 AM (+qU29)
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was promised a flying car by now as a kid
Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2025 11:05 AM (+qU29)
I just want my hoverboard.
Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2025 11:05 AM (+qU29)
I just want my hoverboard.
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 08, 2025 11:05 AM (MGB5H)
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We have a lot of problems with our infrastructure, not just the aviation side. It's not as bad as Europe, but politicians don't get any recognition for keeping things running, so they hate spending money on it.
They prefer putting their names on new things. Fixing bridges doesn't get them any plaudits.
Like our cultural capital, our politicians have been letting all the work of previous generations in building up the infrastructure slowly fall apart from neglect.
They prefer putting their names on new things. Fixing bridges doesn't get them any plaudits.
Like our cultural capital, our politicians have been letting all the work of previous generations in building up the infrastructure slowly fall apart from neglect.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 08, 2025 11:05 AM (N1DT3)
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A Traffic Court judge should order Trump to modernize the FAA.
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 11:06 AM (jc0TO)
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In the early 2000s, I worked in a facility that tested out new ATC systems. The boss told me that it was an average of ten years of testing to get them prepared for deployment.
In fairness, I don't mind being cautious with this but things have gotten a bit out of hand.
In fairness, I don't mind being cautious with this but things have gotten a bit out of hand.
Posted by: NR Pax at July 08, 2025 11:06 AM (NR6c1)
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 11:06 AM (77rzZ)
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I don't understand the kerfluffle about ATC. The FAA only uses the highest quality Curtis-Mathes televisions.
Posted by: Quality Costs! at July 08, 2025 11:06 AM (G5+As)
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I was promised a flying car by now as a kid
Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2025 11:05 AM
Buvez plus d'Ovomaltine!
Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2025 11:05 AM
Buvez plus d'Ovomaltine!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 08, 2025 11:06 AM (0sNs1)
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Driving my flying car to Argentina would be nice.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 08, 2025 11:07 AM (W3T6M)
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ATC != AtC
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 08, 2025 11:07 AM (0sNs1)
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Airlines for America, a trade association of leading U.S. airlines, commended President Donald Trump for signing into law...
In other words, we're getting a cut!
In other words, we're getting a cut!
Posted by: Airlines for America, as far as you know at July 08, 2025 11:08 AM (4Nep/)
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Fixing bridges doesn't get them any plaudits.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian
But the grift is good if you can drag out the process. See the Francis Scott Key bridge.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian
But the grift is good if you can drag out the process. See the Francis Scott Key bridge.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 11:08 AM (77rzZ)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 08, 2025 11:08 AM (EeO/8)
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I was promised a flying car by now as a kid
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Given 50% of the population is of below-average intelligence yet 100% are permitted to drive, I don't want flying cars.
Monique in her Nissan Altima is already enough of a menace.
Airborne, she and hers would be low-grade warfare.
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Given 50% of the population is of below-average intelligence yet 100% are permitted to drive, I don't want flying cars.
Monique in her Nissan Altima is already enough of a menace.
Airborne, she and hers would be low-grade warfare.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 08, 2025 11:08 AM (SLYtL)
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I'm going to be honest and say I don't have the knowledge or intellectual firepower to comment on this thread.
"That government is best that governs least."
- -Shit Jefferson Said, Vol. 3
"That government is best that governs least."
- -Shit Jefferson Said, Vol. 3
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 08, 2025 11:09 AM (Dg2sF)
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8 The FAA would be an example of a legitimate exercise of the Interstate Commerce Clause, no?
Posted by: Bulg
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Yes. Court decided that way back in Gibbons v. Ogden which dealt with concurrent jurisdiction over NYC harbors and adjacent rivers. US granted pilot licenses for a ferry from NJ to NY and NY state claimed sole jurisdiction of the Hudson and harbor because the state leg. granted Robert Fulton, inventor of the steam boat, a monopoly on transit.
NYS argued that travel of mere passengers did not constitute 'commerce among the states' but J. Marshall held otherwise that travel of people across state lines is specifically within the scope of the interstate commerce clause. States can regulate commerce within their borders but the feds have the final say. Later this was used to justify ICC (Interstate Commerce Commission) control over railroads among other things.
Posted by: Bulg
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Yes. Court decided that way back in Gibbons v. Ogden which dealt with concurrent jurisdiction over NYC harbors and adjacent rivers. US granted pilot licenses for a ferry from NJ to NY and NY state claimed sole jurisdiction of the Hudson and harbor because the state leg. granted Robert Fulton, inventor of the steam boat, a monopoly on transit.
NYS argued that travel of mere passengers did not constitute 'commerce among the states' but J. Marshall held otherwise that travel of people across state lines is specifically within the scope of the interstate commerce clause. States can regulate commerce within their borders but the feds have the final say. Later this was used to justify ICC (Interstate Commerce Commission) control over railroads among other things.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 11:09 AM (ctrM5)
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>But what is the proper function of the federal government in today's modern society?
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
Posted by: Don Black. Message: pending at July 08, 2025 11:09 AM (AOsQT)
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Monique in her Nissan Altima is already enough of a menace.
Airborne, she and hers would be low-grade warfare.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 08, 2025 11:08 AM
Think of it as Evolution In Action.
Airborne, she and hers would be low-grade warfare.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 08, 2025 11:08 AM
Think of it as Evolution In Action.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 08, 2025 11:09 AM (0sNs1)
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In the early 2000s, I worked in a facility that tested out new ATC systems. The boss told me that it was an average of ten years of testing to get them prepared for deployment.
You obviously meant to say ten days, right?
You obviously meant to say ten days, right?
Posted by: "Vaccine" Manufacturers at July 08, 2025 11:10 AM (1XOgo)
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I remember in both the 2020 and 2024 campaigns, Trump talked about infrastructure… in particular airports and how we should have better airports. So more winning?
Without looking at stats or doing a study it does seem to me that commercial aviation in the US is safer now than say 40 years ago. Plane crashes in America are extremely rare…. They were always rare but they used to happen occasionally and be big news for a few days
Without looking at stats or doing a study it does seem to me that commercial aviation in the US is safer now than say 40 years ago. Plane crashes in America are extremely rare…. They were always rare but they used to happen occasionally and be big news for a few days
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 08, 2025 11:10 AM (i5Vkf)
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I work for a company with about 1500 employees. It’s damn near impossible to make any big changes quickly. Any proposal is met with pushback from various people. They all want to protect their own little mini kingdoms and any change is seen as a threat. It’s non stop bitching and moaning from directors and VPs.
I can only imagine how this works at the federal government with millions of employees. It’s why the IRS still uses software from the 60s. Change is damn near impossible in an entity that big. Regardless of who is in the White House.
I can only imagine how this works at the federal government with millions of employees. It’s why the IRS still uses software from the 60s. Change is damn near impossible in an entity that big. Regardless of who is in the White House.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 08, 2025 11:10 AM (ImXfC)
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And certainly one can argue that the states are the proper places for regulation of our airspace, and that the Constitution has a structure in place to manage the inevitable issues arising from 50 states controlling 50 airspaces.
Oddly enough, it's one place where I think the Interstate Commerce clause is warranted.
Oddly enough, it's one place where I think the Interstate Commerce clause is warranted.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 08, 2025 11:10 AM (ExV1e)
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Damn it!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 08, 2025 11:11 AM (Dg2sF)
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
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LOL, quoting dead, white slave-owning men.
Jumanji Jackson ain't got time for that!
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LOL, quoting dead, white slave-owning men.
Jumanji Jackson ain't got time for that!
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 08, 2025 11:11 AM (SLYtL)
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17 Can you imagine the chaos that flying cars would bring?
No thank you.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 11:06 AM (77rzZ)
^^^ This ^^^
No thank you.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 11:06 AM (77rzZ)
^^^ This ^^^
Posted by: browndog wont get in the car at July 08, 2025 11:11 AM (TTAGa)
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6 The ATC systems are antiquated by any definition of the word.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2025 11:03 AM (Q4IgG)
The sad thing is, any modern system developed next week will be antiquated by the time it becomes fully implemented in the real world.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2025 11:03 AM (Q4IgG)
The sad thing is, any modern system developed next week will be antiquated by the time it becomes fully implemented in the real world.
Posted by: tankdemon at July 08, 2025 11:11 AM (qfqAF)
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What happened to Freeflight. It was supposed to solve most of the air traffic problems. Sort of an automated system that didn't require cadres of people directing aircraft.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at July 08, 2025 11:11 AM (g8Ew8)
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Damn it!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 08, 2025 11:11 AM
Janet!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 08, 2025 11:11 AM
Janet!
Posted by: Brad Majors at July 08, 2025 11:12 AM (0sNs1)
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I don't want to get on the cart.
Posted by: COBOL at July 08, 2025 11:12 AM (jc0TO)
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 11:12 AM (77rzZ)
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I don't understand the kerfluffle about ATC. The FAA only uses the highest quality Curtis-Mathes televisions.
Luxury!
In my day, all we had was an oscillator and an Etch-A-Sketch!
Luxury!
In my day, all we had was an oscillator and an Etch-A-Sketch!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 08, 2025 11:12 AM (Dg2sF)
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34 Damn it!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 08, 2025 11:11 AM (Dg2sF)
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An angel is looking out for you!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 08, 2025 11:11 AM (Dg2sF)
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An angel is looking out for you!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:12 AM (GBKbO)
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16 In the early 2000s, I worked in a facility that tested out new ATC systems. The boss told me that it was an average of ten years of testing to get them prepared for deployment.
In fairness, I don't mind being cautious with this but things have gotten a bit out of hand.
Posted by: NR Pax
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Many foreign countries have privatized their ATC systems to good effect but that will mean, like public private partnerships on toll roads, that airfares will get a surcharge to get a new system in place.
If Musk wants to be useful, that is a far better application of AI assistance and utility to the US than an ill mannered Grok.
In fairness, I don't mind being cautious with this but things have gotten a bit out of hand.
Posted by: NR Pax
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Many foreign countries have privatized their ATC systems to good effect but that will mean, like public private partnerships on toll roads, that airfares will get a surcharge to get a new system in place.
If Musk wants to be useful, that is a far better application of AI assistance and utility to the US than an ill mannered Grok.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 11:12 AM (ctrM5)
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I knew the head cheese of the Atlanta ACC. He told me they were/are using old vacuum tubes in most of their equipment and replacements tubes were harder and harder to acquire. This was 25 years ago. Vacuum tubes.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 11:13 AM (/U5Yz)
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Well, that was the original idea anyway
I think the role of gov't in today's society is to do those things that are beyond the scope of the states, or that collectively benefit ALL the states.
Unless I'm wrong, in which case, the line forms to the right
I think the role of gov't in today's society is to do those things that are beyond the scope of the states, or that collectively benefit ALL the states.
Unless I'm wrong, in which case, the line forms to the right
Posted by: Don Black. Message: pending at July 08, 2025 11:13 AM (AOsQT)
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He told me they were/are using old vacuum tubes in most of their equipment and replacements tubes were harder and harder to acquire. This was 25 years ago. Vacuum tubes.
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Best Amps evah!
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Best Amps evah!
Posted by: pudinhead at July 08, 2025 11:14 AM (W3T6M)
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36 17 Can you imagine the chaos that flying cars would bring?
No thank you.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 11:06 AM (77rzZ)
^^^ This ^^^
Posted by: browndog
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Leaving aside jihadis, drones, and violent lefty nutbars having access to such.
No thank you.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 11:06 AM (77rzZ)
^^^ This ^^^
Posted by: browndog
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Leaving aside jihadis, drones, and violent lefty nutbars having access to such.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 11:14 AM (ctrM5)
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Damn it!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
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What did I do now?
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 11:12 AM
You didn't mention Prometheus.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
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What did I do now?
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 11:12 AM
You didn't mention Prometheus.
Posted by: You Know Who at July 08, 2025 11:14 AM (0sNs1)
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37 6 The ATC systems are antiquated by any definition of the word.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2025 11:03 AM (Q4IgG)
The sad thing is, any modern system developed next week will be antiquated by the time it becomes fully implemented in the real world.
Saying it's antiquated implies that SOMEONE has a newer, better system. Why don't we put those people in charge of upgrading the system?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2025 11:03 AM (Q4IgG)
The sad thing is, any modern system developed next week will be antiquated by the time it becomes fully implemented in the real world.
Saying it's antiquated implies that SOMEONE has a newer, better system. Why don't we put those people in charge of upgrading the system?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:14 AM (Riz8t)
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Flying cars...imagine Juan and his truck of many ladders zipping through the air....
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at July 08, 2025 11:14 AM (luW68)
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But the grift is good if you can drag out the process. See the Francis Scott Key bridge.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 11:08 AM (77rzZ)
Very true, but it had to actually be broken before they did anything.
Maintenance BEFORE it gets broken is dull.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 11:08 AM (77rzZ)
Very true, but it had to actually be broken before they did anything.
Maintenance BEFORE it gets broken is dull.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 08, 2025 11:15 AM (N1DT3)
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26 I'm going to be honest and say I don't have the knowledge or intellectual firepower to comment on this thread.
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When has that stopped an interwebs commenter ever?
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When has that stopped an interwebs commenter ever?
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at July 08, 2025 11:15 AM (Tw+JN)
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Communism is deeply ingrained into local and state government and backed by statute. Pausing it has been a great accomplishment, but rolling it back will mean war.
Communism is deeply ingrained into local and state government and backed by statute. Pausing it has been a great accomplishment, but rolling it back will mean war.
Posted by: Auspex at July 08, 2025 11:15 AM (j4U/Z)
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Saying it's antiquated implies that SOMEONE has a newer, better system. Why don't we put those people in charge of upgrading the system?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:14 AM (Riz8t
Look at the cutting edge avionics that's are available for privately owned planes (not to mention airlines). There is no reason that this tech can't be utilized by AtC. It's just a matter of money and will.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:14 AM (Riz8t
Look at the cutting edge avionics that's are available for privately owned planes (not to mention airlines). There is no reason that this tech can't be utilized by AtC. It's just a matter of money and will.
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 08, 2025 11:16 AM (MGB5H)
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37 6 The ATC systems are antiquated by any definition of the word.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2025 11:03 AM (Q4IgG)
The sad thing is, any modern system developed next week will be antiquated by the time it becomes fully implemented in the real world.
Posted by: tankdemon
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Given the Israeli, Ukrainian, and Russian experiments with drone warfare, it would be wise to actually integrate US ATC with new radar systems with the AF to provide a dual purpose system of air defense as well as control over air assets, drones, etc.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2025 11:03 AM (Q4IgG)
The sad thing is, any modern system developed next week will be antiquated by the time it becomes fully implemented in the real world.
Posted by: tankdemon
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Given the Israeli, Ukrainian, and Russian experiments with drone warfare, it would be wise to actually integrate US ATC with new radar systems with the AF to provide a dual purpose system of air defense as well as control over air assets, drones, etc.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 11:16 AM (ctrM5)
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Flying cars...imagine Juan and his truck of many ladders zipping through the air....
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at July 08, 2025 11:14 AM
The 5th Element was prophesy.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at July 08, 2025 11:14 AM
The 5th Element was prophesy.
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 11:16 AM (jc0TO)
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Maintenance BEFORE it gets broken is dull.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 08, 2025 11:15 AM
I get painted every year.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 08, 2025 11:15 AM
I get painted every year.
Posted by: Golden Gate Bridge at July 08, 2025 11:16 AM (0sNs1)
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Flying cars...imagine Juan and his truck of many ladders zipping through the air....
Si, si, senor. Do I get to keep using my cell phone while I'm moving?
Si, si, senor. Do I get to keep using my cell phone while I'm moving?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:16 AM (Riz8t)
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Monique in her Nissan Altima is already enough of a menace.
Airborne, she and hers would be low-grade warfare.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
Dat bitch Monique stole my man and my weave. I will run her ass off the road, toot sweet!
Airborne, she and hers would be low-grade warfare.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
Dat bitch Monique stole my man and my weave. I will run her ass off the road, toot sweet!
Posted by: Laqueefah In Her Nissan Versa at July 08, 2025 11:16 AM (G5+As)
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Can you imagine the chaos that flying cars would bring?
Sending and receiving texts, eating breakfast, applying makeup... while flying your car? I don't see a problem.
Sending and receiving texts, eating breakfast, applying makeup... while flying your car? I don't see a problem.
Posted by: t-bird at July 08, 2025 11:16 AM (yzPgp)
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Leaving aside jihadis, drones, and violent lefty nutbars having access to such.
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This is why you would have .50 cal machine guns under the hood. Have you never seen a James Bond car?
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This is why you would have .50 cal machine guns under the hood. Have you never seen a James Bond car?
Posted by: pudinhead at July 08, 2025 11:16 AM (W3T6M)
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Jesse Watters@JesseBWatters
BREAKING: A Former CIA Officer has just come out and said the DEEP STATE “probably DESTROYED” the EPSTEIN FILES
BREAKING: A Former CIA Officer has just come out and said the DEEP STATE “probably DESTROYED” the EPSTEIN FILES
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 11:17 AM (L/fGl)
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I'm going to be honest and say I don't have the knowledge or intellectual firepower to comment on this thread.
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When has that stopped an interwebs commenter ever?
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at July 08, 2025 11:15 AM
Ahem.
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When has that stopped an interwebs commenter ever?
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at July 08, 2025 11:15 AM
Ahem.
Posted by: HordeSource (tm) at July 08, 2025 11:17 AM (0sNs1)
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I work for a company with about 1500 employees. It’s damn near impossible to make any big changes quickly. Any proposal is met with pushback from various people. They all want to protect their own little mini kingdoms and any change is seen as a threat. It’s non stop bitching and moaning from directors and VPs.
I can only imagine how this works at the federal government with millions of employees. It’s why the IRS still uses software from the 60s. Change is damn near impossible in an entity that big. Regardless of who is in the White House.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 08, 2025 11:10 AM
When obama won the election in 2008 I was working for DOD. He issued his "give the unions everything they want" EO in December 2009. It did not trickle down to my level as a front line supervisor until I was leaving federal service in November 2012 nearly three years later.
I can only imagine how this works at the federal government with millions of employees. It’s why the IRS still uses software from the 60s. Change is damn near impossible in an entity that big. Regardless of who is in the White House.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 08, 2025 11:10 AM
When obama won the election in 2008 I was working for DOD. He issued his "give the unions everything they want" EO in December 2009. It did not trickle down to my level as a front line supervisor until I was leaving federal service in November 2012 nearly three years later.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 08, 2025 11:17 AM (e5NfL)
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Bureaucrats know all they have to do is stall enough until a new administration comes in. 4 years is nothing in government time.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 08, 2025 11:17 AM (ImXfC)
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But what is the proper function of the federal government in today's modern society?
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Spending trillions of dollars that we don't have on shit we don't need that will hasten the country's demise. Also making sure perverts feel accepted and welcomed by children of all ages and that no one forgets white people are the devil, and that all other "cultures" are automatically innocent and good. Sowing hatred, division and strife while making sure that worthless grifters have a safe place to ply their trade and hawk their wares.
Sorry did you want a punchline because even reading that back it got a little too real.
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Spending trillions of dollars that we don't have on shit we don't need that will hasten the country's demise. Also making sure perverts feel accepted and welcomed by children of all ages and that no one forgets white people are the devil, and that all other "cultures" are automatically innocent and good. Sowing hatred, division and strife while making sure that worthless grifters have a safe place to ply their trade and hawk their wares.
Sorry did you want a punchline because even reading that back it got a little too real.
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 11:17 AM (VPwHp)
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DataRepublican (small r) retweeted - Alladdin@Alladdin1983 11h
More Gaza and West Bank Funding:
Just in June the USAID extended bunch of programs to Gaza and the West Bank the total is over 100 million this is just four of them for architect and engineering "Wonder what's that for". Is this shit ever going ever going to stop?
More Gaza and West Bank Funding:
Just in June the USAID extended bunch of programs to Gaza and the West Bank the total is over 100 million this is just four of them for architect and engineering "Wonder what's that for". Is this shit ever going ever going to stop?
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 08, 2025 11:17 AM (EeO/8)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 08, 2025 11:17 AM (/YxX2)
70
Flying cars...imagine Juan and his truck of many ladders zipping through the air....
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at July 08, 2025 11:14 AM
How about grandma who sits on three phone books to barely see over the wheel/control stick. Lookout Deary, coming in for a hard landing.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at July 08, 2025 11:14 AM
How about grandma who sits on three phone books to barely see over the wheel/control stick. Lookout Deary, coming in for a hard landing.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 11:18 AM (/U5Yz)
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Look at the cutting edge avionics that's are available for privately owned planes (not to mention airlines). There is no reason that this tech can't be utilized by AtC. It's just a matter of money and will.
Posted by: BruceWayne
NIH syndrome (not invented here), as you said, other countries have modernized their ATC systems. But federal government in particular has failed repeatedly in trying to upgrade their systems. For example, the IRS, Social Security, Air Traffic, among others have been notorious for not being able to fix antiquated systems.
Posted by: BruceWayne
NIH syndrome (not invented here), as you said, other countries have modernized their ATC systems. But federal government in particular has failed repeatedly in trying to upgrade their systems. For example, the IRS, Social Security, Air Traffic, among others have been notorious for not being able to fix antiquated systems.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 11:18 AM (ctrM5)
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Jesse Watters@JesseBWatters
BREAKING: A Former CIA Officer has just come out and said the DEEP STATE “probably DESTROYED” the EPSTEIN FILES
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 11:17 AM
They went into the incinerator with Hunter's cocaine.
BREAKING: A Former CIA Officer has just come out and said the DEEP STATE “probably DESTROYED” the EPSTEIN FILES
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 11:17 AM
They went into the incinerator with Hunter's cocaine.
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 11:19 AM (jc0TO)
73
Sending and receiving texts, eating breakfast, applying makeup... while flying your car? I don't see a problem.
Posted by: t-bird at July 08, 2025 11:16 AM (yzPgp)
Farding in a flying car… that’s hot!
Posted by: t-bird at July 08, 2025 11:16 AM (yzPgp)
Farding in a flying car… that’s hot!
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 08, 2025 11:19 AM (ANuwa)
74
Just in June the USAID extended bunch of programs to Gaza and the West Bank the total is over 100 million this is just four of them for architect and engineering "Wonder what's that for". Is this shit ever going ever going to stop?
I thought USAID had ceased to be, was bereft of life, joined the choir invisible, etc. etc.
I thought USAID had ceased to be, was bereft of life, joined the choir invisible, etc. etc.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:19 AM (Riz8t)
75
The ATC systems are antiquated by any definition of the word.
We need automated large-language model air traffic controllers. They may make mistakes, but the mistakes will be in fluent English.
We need automated large-language model air traffic controllers. They may make mistakes, but the mistakes will be in fluent English.
Posted by: t-bird at July 08, 2025 11:20 AM (9Niia)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 08, 2025 11:20 AM (/YxX2)
77
Maintenance BEFORE it gets broken is dull.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian
That's a good point. Plus, it pisses people off.
I can't tell you the number of work zones I passed through on the PA and OH turnpikes on my way to and from Michigan a couple of weeks ago. They always annoy me, even when they aren't really slowing up traffic very much. (Jersey barriers give me the willies.) But I guess it's important that the work get donw.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian
That's a good point. Plus, it pisses people off.
I can't tell you the number of work zones I passed through on the PA and OH turnpikes on my way to and from Michigan a couple of weeks ago. They always annoy me, even when they aren't really slowing up traffic very much. (Jersey barriers give me the willies.) But I guess it's important that the work get donw.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 11:20 AM (77rzZ)
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63 Jesse Watters@JesseBWatters
BREAKING: A Former CIA Officer has just come out and said the DEEP STATE “probably DESTROYED” the EPSTEIN FILES
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 11:17 AM (L/fGl)
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The actual Epstein files that people imagine were always probably CIA.
What the SDNY got, that the FBI had, were probably little more than a social calendar and flight manifests.
BREAKING: A Former CIA Officer has just come out and said the DEEP STATE “probably DESTROYED” the EPSTEIN FILES
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 11:17 AM (L/fGl)
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The actual Epstein files that people imagine were always probably CIA.
What the SDNY got, that the FBI had, were probably little more than a social calendar and flight manifests.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:20 AM (GBKbO)
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I initially read that as 'condemned'. Sorry I have a half track mind for these things.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 08, 2025 11:21 AM (bss/y)
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Getting your car's windows all steamy while flying 5,500 ft AGL is dreamy!
Posted by: Tiffini from Fort Worth at July 08, 2025 11:21 AM (0sNs1)
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55 Look at the cutting edge avionics that's are available for privately owned planes (not to mention airlines). There is no reason that this tech can't be utilized by AtC.
especially given that they're designed to be used when sitting down, so she doesn't have to worry about reaching the buttons.
especially given that they're designed to be used when sitting down, so she doesn't have to worry about reaching the buttons.
Posted by: anachronda at July 08, 2025 11:21 AM (v3pYe)
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Pam Bondi Confirms Ark Of The Covenant Sitting On Her Desk Waiting To Be Reviewed
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I hope she has powerful sunglasses.
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I hope she has powerful sunglasses.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 11:21 AM (L/fGl)
83
Look at the cutting edge avionics that's are available for privately owned planes (not to mention airlines). There is no reason that this tech can't be utilized by AtC. It's just a matter of money and will.
Posted by: BruceWayne
NIH syndrome (not invented here), as you said, other countries have modernized their ATC systems. But federal government in particular has failed repeatedly in trying to upgrade their systems. For example, the IRS, Social Security, Air Traffic, among others have been notorious for not being able to fix antiquated systems.
There was a report that the nuclear missile folks were still using 8" floppies. When you think about it, something so antique might be very difficult to hack.
Posted by: BruceWayne
NIH syndrome (not invented here), as you said, other countries have modernized their ATC systems. But federal government in particular has failed repeatedly in trying to upgrade their systems. For example, the IRS, Social Security, Air Traffic, among others have been notorious for not being able to fix antiquated systems.
There was a report that the nuclear missile folks were still using 8" floppies. When you think about it, something so antique might be very difficult to hack.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:21 AM (Riz8t)
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76 Flying cars?
Ah yes Manhattan traffic as envisioned in The Fifth Element.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 08, 2025 11:20 AM (/YxX2)
Even with the car chases, it was always too orderly for reality.
Ah yes Manhattan traffic as envisioned in The Fifth Element.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 08, 2025 11:20 AM (/YxX2)
Even with the car chases, it was always too orderly for reality.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 08, 2025 11:21 AM (bss/y)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 08, 2025 11:22 AM (/YxX2)
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So, that attack on ICE that led to just the attacker dead in Texas?
Law enforcement has rolled up 11 other members of the antifa cell.
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This the Prairieview or the McAllen?
My second favorite part about the Prairieview story is how tight-lipped LE was initially; very bland, officer wounded, released, after responding to a suspicious person report.
Then, BOOM, all 10 hit with 3 counts of attempted murder each.
But the most favorite part?
None of these bitches have OpSec and nearly all of them are going to rat out any and everyone they can.
They'll even be ratting out their brother for stealing a candy bar when they were kids.
18 USC 1113 - Attempt to Commit Murder; up to 20 years each count; they're facing 60 years.
Before they tack on the conspiracy charges.
Law enforcement has rolled up 11 other members of the antifa cell.
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This the Prairieview or the McAllen?
My second favorite part about the Prairieview story is how tight-lipped LE was initially; very bland, officer wounded, released, after responding to a suspicious person report.
Then, BOOM, all 10 hit with 3 counts of attempted murder each.
But the most favorite part?
None of these bitches have OpSec and nearly all of them are going to rat out any and everyone they can.
They'll even be ratting out their brother for stealing a candy bar when they were kids.
18 USC 1113 - Attempt to Commit Murder; up to 20 years each count; they're facing 60 years.
Before they tack on the conspiracy charges.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 08, 2025 11:23 AM (SLYtL)
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I can't tell you the number of work zones I passed through on the PA and OH turnpikes on my way to and from Michigan a couple of weeks ago. They always annoy me, even when they aren't really slowing up traffic very much. (Jersey barriers give me the willies.) But I guess it's important that the work get donw.
I think what annoys people is that so little work appears to be actually getting done. There's a DC area highway (295) that I swear has been continually "under repair" since I was in my 20s.
I think what annoys people is that so little work appears to be actually getting done. There's a DC area highway (295) that I swear has been continually "under repair" since I was in my 20s.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:23 AM (Riz8t)
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*Blinks*
Movie on YouTube - She Wolf of London starring June Lockhart?
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 08, 2025 11:22 AM
Ahoooooooo!
Movie on YouTube - She Wolf of London starring June Lockhart?
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 08, 2025 11:22 AM
Ahoooooooo!
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 11:24 AM (jc0TO)
89
There would be an inordinate number of new members of the mile high club.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 11:24 AM (/U5Yz)
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Only way we ever have flying cars for the general public is if they are self-flying - punch in your destination and off it goes. No chance that the average citizen would become competent to be on the controls.
Posted by: Nazdar at July 08, 2025 11:25 AM (NcvvS)
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> BREAKING: A Former CIA Officer has just come out and said the DEEP STATE “probably DESTROYED” the EPSTEIN FILES
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Unless they are lying.
I'd bet there are multiple copies of these so-called files floating around various 3-letter agencies. And hardly anything ever gets destroyed when it comes to stuff FedGov has in their possession.
Because there's always someone, somewhere who has a reason to keep the data... just in case.
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Unless they are lying.
I'd bet there are multiple copies of these so-called files floating around various 3-letter agencies. And hardly anything ever gets destroyed when it comes to stuff FedGov has in their possession.
Because there's always someone, somewhere who has a reason to keep the data... just in case.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2025 11:25 AM (Q4IgG)
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We need automated large-language model air traffic controllers. They may make mistakes, but the mistakes will be in fluent English.
Some of this is already available to the flight-sim community. There is an application called "Beyond ATC." The demos I watched are quite impressive.
Some of this is already available to the flight-sim community. There is an application called "Beyond ATC." The demos I watched are quite impressive.
Posted by: Halfhand at July 08, 2025 11:25 AM (ohhLJ)
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He told me they were/are using old vacuum tubes in most of their equipment and replacements tubes were harder and harder to acquire. This was 25 years ago. Vacuum tubes.
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Best Amps evah!
Posted by: pudinhead at July 08, 2025 11:14 AM (W3T6M)
Thanks to the shit ton of tube guitar amps made every year getting tubes really isn't much of a problem. Oddball tubes on the other hand might be a bit tricky, but at least there are factories still making tubes that can easily gear up to make oddballs if there was a demand. The Czech republic is cranking out some good tubes. I have a lifetime of tubes stashed.
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Best Amps evah!
Posted by: pudinhead at July 08, 2025 11:14 AM (W3T6M)
Thanks to the shit ton of tube guitar amps made every year getting tubes really isn't much of a problem. Oddball tubes on the other hand might be a bit tricky, but at least there are factories still making tubes that can easily gear up to make oddballs if there was a demand. The Czech republic is cranking out some good tubes. I have a lifetime of tubes stashed.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 08, 2025 11:25 AM (snZF9)
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89 There would be an inordinate number of new members of the mile high club.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 11:24 AM (/U5Yz)
Wouldn't it be more ordinate- as in completely expected?
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 11:24 AM (/U5Yz)
Wouldn't it be more ordinate- as in completely expected?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 08, 2025 11:26 AM (bss/y)
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But federal government in particular has failed repeatedly in trying to upgrade their systems. For example, the IRS, Social Security, Air Traffic, among others have been notorious for not being able to fix antiquated systems.
To paraphrase George Jefferson up above, that grift is best, that delivers the least.
To paraphrase George Jefferson up above, that grift is best, that delivers the least.
Posted by: Big Gov at July 08, 2025 11:26 AM (p0167)
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72 Jesse Watters@JesseBWatters
BREAKING: A Former CIA Officer has just come out and said the DEEP STATE “probably DESTROYED” the EPSTEIN FILES
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 11:17 AM
They went into the incinerator with Hunter's cocaine.
Posted by: toby928
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My guess based on Epstein's earlier Florida investigation and conviction, is that Epstein and Maxwell and others in their spy network are intertwined with CIA, FBI, MI-6, and perhaps Mossad intel agencies so any of that being publicized will cause a massive foreign policy crisis as well as a domestic one given the list of participants.
In the past, despite the FBI's best attempts to remove information about COINTELPRO and other ventures along with the CIA's dirty secrets released by the Church Committee, there is still enough paper trail, memos, etc. to indicate who Epstein and Maxwell were working for and who were their clients.
BREAKING: A Former CIA Officer has just come out and said the DEEP STATE “probably DESTROYED” the EPSTEIN FILES
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 11:17 AM
They went into the incinerator with Hunter's cocaine.
Posted by: toby928
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My guess based on Epstein's earlier Florida investigation and conviction, is that Epstein and Maxwell and others in their spy network are intertwined with CIA, FBI, MI-6, and perhaps Mossad intel agencies so any of that being publicized will cause a massive foreign policy crisis as well as a domestic one given the list of participants.
In the past, despite the FBI's best attempts to remove information about COINTELPRO and other ventures along with the CIA's dirty secrets released by the Church Committee, there is still enough paper trail, memos, etc. to indicate who Epstein and Maxwell were working for and who were their clients.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 11:26 AM (ctrM5)
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I thought USAID had ceased to be, was bereft of life, joined the choir invisible, etc. etc.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:19 AM (Riz8t)
LOL
- various Hawaiian judges across the land
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:19 AM (Riz8t)
LOL
- various Hawaiian judges across the land
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 08, 2025 11:26 AM (ImXfC)
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I work for a state government. We still use the "green, blindly- winky" screen for accounting. It is the system of record. They're telling us it's going away... we'll see...
Posted by: lin-duh at July 08, 2025 11:27 AM (UwBs6)
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He told me they were/are using old vacuum tubes in most of their equipment and replacements tubes were harder and harder to acquire. This was 25 years ago. Vacuum tubes.
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Best Amps evah!
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Absolutely! There's something about just *digging in* to the strings when hitched to a tube amp--it generates its own mild distortion that contrasts so nicely compared to the "cleans" that come from making contact with the strings in a more subtle manner.
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Best Amps evah!
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Absolutely! There's something about just *digging in* to the strings when hitched to a tube amp--it generates its own mild distortion that contrasts so nicely compared to the "cleans" that come from making contact with the strings in a more subtle manner.
Posted by: Crusader at July 08, 2025 11:27 AM (TN0g+)
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98 I work for a state government. We still use the "green, blindly- winky" screen for accounting. It is the system of record. They're telling us it's going away... we'll see...
Posted by: lin-duh at July 08, 2025 11:27 AM (UwBs6)
Less eyestrain.
Posted by: lin-duh at July 08, 2025 11:27 AM (UwBs6)
Less eyestrain.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 08, 2025 11:27 AM (bss/y)
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86 Can you imagine you're a criminal, locked up for many years. At least you're locked up for old fashioned, semi reputable crime like art theft or jewelry store robbery with no injuries. And then you get your brand new Antifa cell mate and the fucker won't shut up so you shank his ass and your 15 year stretch goes to life.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 08, 2025 11:28 AM (gm9Sb)
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100 98 I work for a state government. We still use the "green, blindly- winky" screen for accounting. It is the system of record. They're telling us it's going away... we'll see...
Posted by: lin-duh at July 08, 2025 11:27 AM (UwBs6)
Less eyestrain.
So is an abacus.
Posted by: lin-duh at July 08, 2025 11:27 AM (UwBs6)
Less eyestrain.
So is an abacus.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:28 AM (Riz8t)
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Jesse Watters@JesseBWatters
BREAKING: A Former CIA Officer has just come out and said the DEEP STATE “probably DESTROYED” the EPSTEIN FILES
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 11:17 AM (L/fGl)
In this case, "probably destroyed" means "moved outside the US".
BREAKING: A Former CIA Officer has just come out and said the DEEP STATE “probably DESTROYED” the EPSTEIN FILES
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 11:17 AM (L/fGl)
In this case, "probably destroyed" means "moved outside the US".
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 08, 2025 11:29 AM (ExV1e)
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In my day, all we had was an oscillator and an Etch-A-Sketch!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 08, 2025 11:12 AM (Dg2sF)
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You had an oscillator? Luxury!
In my day, we had sticks and dirt to draw with!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at July 08, 2025 11:12 AM (Dg2sF)
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You had an oscillator? Luxury!
In my day, we had sticks and dirt to draw with!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 08, 2025 11:29 AM (tT6L1)
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The British ran an empire spanning the globe with boats, soldiers, and clerks. You would think we could manage an air traffic system.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 08, 2025 11:30 AM (ufFY8)
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Absolutely! There's something about just *digging in* to the strings when hitched to a tube amp--it generates its own mild distortion that contrasts so nicely compared to the "cleans" that come from making contact with the strings in a more subtle manner.
Posted by: Crusader at July 08, 2025 11:27 AM (TN0g+)
Not to mention that you can shape the tone of the amp just by switching tube brands. None of my amps have the same tube brand across the board in their preamps.
Posted by: Crusader at July 08, 2025 11:27 AM (TN0g+)
Not to mention that you can shape the tone of the amp just by switching tube brands. None of my amps have the same tube brand across the board in their preamps.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 08, 2025 11:30 AM (snZF9)
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The Epstein Files
Why am I thinking of that super secret island from Lupin III where all the secret intelligence agencies kept their naughty info.
Reality or fiction, is there a difference?
Why am I thinking of that super secret island from Lupin III where all the secret intelligence agencies kept their naughty info.
Reality or fiction, is there a difference?
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 08, 2025 11:31 AM (/YxX2)
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The thing with antiquated tech is it does work. So if it ain’t broke do t fix it mentality comes into play.
There is the other end of the spectrum where everything has to be the latest hot thing. That’s dumb as well.
Problem with the “good enough for government work” mindset is efficiency. Yes it does work. But it is extremely inefficient. However, making it more efficient means fewer people needed. And what government entity would agree to downsize itself by implementing better tech?
So we end up with cobol running every government transaction in 2025.
And yes banks have it as well.
There is the other end of the spectrum where everything has to be the latest hot thing. That’s dumb as well.
Problem with the “good enough for government work” mindset is efficiency. Yes it does work. But it is extremely inefficient. However, making it more efficient means fewer people needed. And what government entity would agree to downsize itself by implementing better tech?
So we end up with cobol running every government transaction in 2025.
And yes banks have it as well.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 08, 2025 11:31 AM (ImXfC)
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same tube brand across the board in their preamps.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 08, 2025 11:30 AM (snZF9)
Analog rocks.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 08, 2025 11:30 AM (snZF9)
Analog rocks.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 08, 2025 11:31 AM (ufFY8)
Posted by: man at July 08, 2025 11:31 AM (tubbA)
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106 The smell of a tube amp "warming up" takes me back to my yute days when Mom and Dad bought me a Gibson Scout amp and an SG.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 08, 2025 11:32 AM (gm9Sb)
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To paraphrase George Jefferson up above, that grift is best, that delivers the least.
Posted by: Big Gov
I think risk aversion is another part. No bureaucrat wants a critical system failure akin to those by NASA in the Space Shuttle disasters. Imagine if Social Security systems failed to send grandma a check for example.
For critical systems, you basically have to build out a parallel system with the old one and eventually switch over to the new system entirely.
But that costs money and personnel to do it right and in this case, the government and the lowest cost bidder on tech end up not doing that. Result is stalled progress on these large massive systems.
Posted by: Big Gov
I think risk aversion is another part. No bureaucrat wants a critical system failure akin to those by NASA in the Space Shuttle disasters. Imagine if Social Security systems failed to send grandma a check for example.
For critical systems, you basically have to build out a parallel system with the old one and eventually switch over to the new system entirely.
But that costs money and personnel to do it right and in this case, the government and the lowest cost bidder on tech end up not doing that. Result is stalled progress on these large massive systems.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 11:32 AM (ctrM5)
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I work for a company with about 1500 employees. It’s damn near impossible to make any big changes quickly. Any proposal is met with pushback from various people. They all want to protect their own little mini kingdoms and any change is seen as a threat. It’s non stop bitching and moaning from directors and VPs.
In fairness, the people proposing big changes rarely understand what systems will be impacted by those changes or the difficulty in modifying the impacted systems to deal with the change.
At my company, IT gets to make sweeping changes all the time. It's always chaos, things are always worse, and the next time they want to make a change... the execs will say, "Go for it!" - but in Hindi.
In fairness, the people proposing big changes rarely understand what systems will be impacted by those changes or the difficulty in modifying the impacted systems to deal with the change.
At my company, IT gets to make sweeping changes all the time. It's always chaos, things are always worse, and the next time they want to make a change... the execs will say, "Go for it!" - but in Hindi.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 08, 2025 11:32 AM (ExV1e)
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Think of it as Evolution In Action.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
So only those who have not procreated can drive flying cars?
Works for me!
Think of it as Evolution In Action.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
So only those who have not procreated can drive flying cars?
Works for me!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 08, 2025 11:32 AM (+3/DM)
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Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 08, 2025 11:31 AM (ImXfC)
The libs are fine with conserving what works when it suits them
The libs are fine with conserving what works when it suits them
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 11:33 AM (VPwHp)
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What's really sad, though, the Epstein files are, most likely, the grey water of the corruption sewage tank.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 08, 2025 11:33 AM (tT6L1)
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107 The Epstein Files
Why am I thinking of that super secret island from Lupin III where all the secret intelligence agencies kept their naughty info.
Reality or fiction, is there a difference?
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 08, 2025 11:31 AM (/YxX2)
EPSTEIN WAS the list.
Think about it.
Why am I thinking of that super secret island from Lupin III where all the secret intelligence agencies kept their naughty info.
Reality or fiction, is there a difference?
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 08, 2025 11:31 AM (/YxX2)
EPSTEIN WAS the list.
Think about it.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 08, 2025 11:33 AM (bss/y)
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100 98 I work for a state government. We still use the "green, blindly- winky" screen for accounting. It is the system of record. They're telling us it's going away... we'll see...
Posted by: lin-duh
The original programmers are probably long gone and no one knows what the COBOL code actually does. Let's convert it over and turn it on! **CRASH**
Posted by: lin-duh
The original programmers are probably long gone and no one knows what the COBOL code actually does. Let's convert it over and turn it on! **CRASH**
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 11:33 AM (/U5Yz)
119
In fairness, the people proposing big changes rarely understand what systems will be impacted by those changes or the difficulty in modifying the impacted systems to deal with the change.
At my company, IT gets to make sweeping changes all the time. It's always chaos, things are always worse, and the next time they want to make a change... the execs will say, "Go for it!" - but in Hindi.
We have no idea what you're talking about.
At my company, IT gets to make sweeping changes all the time. It's always chaos, things are always worse, and the next time they want to make a change... the execs will say, "Go for it!" - but in Hindi.
We have no idea what you're talking about.
Posted by: Microsoft, implementing Windows XXX at July 08, 2025 11:34 AM (Riz8t)
120
to do it right and in this case, the government and the lowest cost bidder on tech end up not doing that
—
Pleasing to tell you sir, my team of highly skilled H1B developers will have this working with much excellent results.
- Sanjeev from Tata Consulting
—
Pleasing to tell you sir, my team of highly skilled H1B developers will have this working with much excellent results.
- Sanjeev from Tata Consulting
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 08, 2025 11:34 AM (ImXfC)
121
Well, mainframe systems are harder to hack and they just work. COBOL FTW!!!
Posted by: lin-duh at July 08, 2025 11:34 AM (UwBs6)
122
@RichardGrenell . 54m
We did some of this to ourselves.
We allowed the Democrats to create entire cities where the rule of law was suspended.
@KarenBassLA now thinks that she can ignore federal immigration laws. And in fact, she openly calls for law enforcement to ignore the laws, too.
This is an insurrection playing out in real time
We did some of this to ourselves.
We allowed the Democrats to create entire cities where the rule of law was suspended.
@KarenBassLA now thinks that she can ignore federal immigration laws. And in fact, she openly calls for law enforcement to ignore the laws, too.
This is an insurrection playing out in real time
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 08, 2025 11:34 AM (EeO/8)
123
But the most favorite part?
None of these bitches have OpSec and nearly all of them are going to rat out any and everyone they can.
They'll even be ratting out their brother for stealing a candy bar when they were kids.
It's amazing what happens when the grownups are back in charge and stop the children from acting up.
None of these bitches have OpSec and nearly all of them are going to rat out any and everyone they can.
They'll even be ratting out their brother for stealing a candy bar when they were kids.
It's amazing what happens when the grownups are back in charge and stop the children from acting up.
Posted by: NR Pax at July 08, 2025 11:34 AM (NR6c1)
124
$12.5 billion sounds like $8 billion too much.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at July 08, 2025 11:35 AM (17s+e)
125
67 But what is the proper function of the federal government in today's modern society?
Locally, it's putting in an insane "green" garden section through the middle of the busiest commercial roadway in town, killing the local businesses.
Statewide it's adding $16,000 per house construction for "green" energy requirements for builders already having a rough time.
In both cases, they claim the public is demanding it.
Locally, it's putting in an insane "green" garden section through the middle of the busiest commercial roadway in town, killing the local businesses.
Statewide it's adding $16,000 per house construction for "green" energy requirements for builders already having a rough time.
In both cases, they claim the public is demanding it.
Posted by: Auspex at July 08, 2025 11:35 AM (j4U/Z)
126
123 But the most favorite part?
None of these bitches have OpSec and nearly all of them are going to rat out any and everyone they can.
They'll even be ratting out their brother for stealing a candy bar when they were kids.
It's amazing what happens when the grownups are back in charge and stop the children from acting up.
Posted by: NR Pax at July 08, 2025 11:34 AM (NR6c1)
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Antifa is going to lose a lot of foot soldiers over the next few years.
And the trannies are going to lose a lot of their most ardent online supporters.
These two things are weirdly corelated.
None of these bitches have OpSec and nearly all of them are going to rat out any and everyone they can.
They'll even be ratting out their brother for stealing a candy bar when they were kids.
It's amazing what happens when the grownups are back in charge and stop the children from acting up.
Posted by: NR Pax at July 08, 2025 11:34 AM (NR6c1)
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Antifa is going to lose a lot of foot soldiers over the next few years.
And the trannies are going to lose a lot of their most ardent online supporters.
These two things are weirdly corelated.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:36 AM (GBKbO)
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Pleasing to tell you sir, my team of highly skilled H1B developers will have this working with much excellent results.
- Sanjeev from Tata Consulting
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 08, 2025 11:34 AM (ImXfC)
The changes you would like to make?
It is not possible.
-- Fritz from Deutsch Computing Systems
- Sanjeev from Tata Consulting
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 08, 2025 11:34 AM (ImXfC)
The changes you would like to make?
It is not possible.
-- Fritz from Deutsch Computing Systems
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 08, 2025 11:36 AM (ufFY8)
Posted by: anachronda is into virtual geology at July 08, 2025 11:36 AM (v3pYe)
129
The libs are fine with conserving what works when it suits them
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 11:33 AM (VPwHp)
I don’t see this as an ideological thing. I’ve seen it plenty of times in the private sector. I worked for many years in consulting. It’s the same shit everywhere. People hate change and they’ll fight it tooth and nail. It’s self preservation above all else.
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 11:33 AM (VPwHp)
I don’t see this as an ideological thing. I’ve seen it plenty of times in the private sector. I worked for many years in consulting. It’s the same shit everywhere. People hate change and they’ll fight it tooth and nail. It’s self preservation above all else.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 08, 2025 11:36 AM (ImXfC)
130
The issue is not so much safety, since I think the data show our skies are safer than ever...it is efficiency and volume. The antiquated systems we use are close to maxing out, and any additional stress on them (like EWR a few months ago) crashes the system.
That's where modern systems and modern hardware can make a huge difference. And an efficient air transport system is good for the economy!
That's where modern systems and modern hardware can make a huge difference. And an efficient air transport system is good for the economy!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at July 08, 2025 11:37 AM (Zv8bq)
131
Antifa is going to lose a lot of foot soldiers over the next few years.
I am hoping that the foot soldiers give up the higher ranking folks as well. And those people get a nasal irrigation day at Gitmo until they give up their higher ups.
I am hoping that the foot soldiers give up the higher ranking folks as well. And those people get a nasal irrigation day at Gitmo until they give up their higher ups.
Posted by: NR Pax at July 08, 2025 11:37 AM (NR6c1)
132
None of these bitches have OpSec and nearly all of them are going to rat out any and everyone they can.
Interrogator pulls out a little notebook. Says, "Listen, it/them, we're willing to make a deal with whoever gives us the best data so's we can pull in more of your group. Gotta me accurate. Gotta be actionable. And you gotta be first. So, you gonna be a tough persyn or try to save something of your life?"
Interrogator pulls out a little notebook. Says, "Listen, it/them, we're willing to make a deal with whoever gives us the best data so's we can pull in more of your group. Gotta me accurate. Gotta be actionable. And you gotta be first. So, you gonna be a tough persyn or try to save something of your life?"
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 08, 2025 11:37 AM (ExV1e)
133
Destroyed means wiped clean with a cloth I thought.
Wouldn't doubt all Epstein files are hidden to perfection.
Wouldn't doubt all Epstein files are hidden to perfection.
Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2025 11:38 AM (+qU29)
Posted by: NR Pax at July 08, 2025 11:38 AM (NR6c1)
Posted by: NR Pax at July 08, 2025 11:38 AM (NR6c1)
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131 Antifa is going to lose a lot of foot soldiers over the next few years.
I am hoping that the foot soldiers give up the higher ranking folks as well. And those people get a nasal irrigation day at Gitmo until they give up their higher ups.
Posted by: NR Pax at July 08, 2025 11:37 AM (NR6c1)
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Chicago politics took over the federal government.
It'll be nice to see the FBI take the same measures to undo Chicago politics as it took when it actually took down Capone.
I am hoping that the foot soldiers give up the higher ranking folks as well. And those people get a nasal irrigation day at Gitmo until they give up their higher ups.
Posted by: NR Pax at July 08, 2025 11:37 AM (NR6c1)
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Chicago politics took over the federal government.
It'll be nice to see the FBI take the same measures to undo Chicago politics as it took when it actually took down Capone.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:38 AM (GBKbO)
137
We're number one!
The Wife-Carrying Championships in Sonkajärvi, Finland, had a noteworthy outcome this year:
A brand new record of 1:01.17 was set ... and it was set by a couple of Americans!
-
Rules and video.
https://is.gd/DTCfBw
The Wife-Carrying Championships in Sonkajärvi, Finland, had a noteworthy outcome this year:
A brand new record of 1:01.17 was set ... and it was set by a couple of Americans!
-
Rules and video.
https://is.gd/DTCfBw
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 11:38 AM (L/fGl)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 08, 2025 11:38 AM (+3/DM)
139
132 None of these bitches have OpSec and nearly all of them are going to rat out any and everyone they can.
Interrogator pulls out a little notebook. Says, "Listen, it/them, we're willing to make a deal with whoever gives us the best data so's we can pull in more of your group. Gotta me accurate. Gotta be actionable. And you gotta be first. So, you gonna be a tough persyn or try to save something of your life?"
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 08, 2025 11:37 AM (ExV1e)
=======
"Who gets the estrogen injection? I only have one."
Interrogator pulls out a little notebook. Says, "Listen, it/them, we're willing to make a deal with whoever gives us the best data so's we can pull in more of your group. Gotta me accurate. Gotta be actionable. And you gotta be first. So, you gonna be a tough persyn or try to save something of your life?"
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 08, 2025 11:37 AM (ExV1e)
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"Who gets the estrogen injection? I only have one."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:38 AM (GBKbO)
140
"So, you gonna be a tough persyn or try to save something of your life?"
That image is hilarious.
That image is hilarious.
Posted by: NR Pax at July 08, 2025 11:39 AM (NR6c1)
141
The Detroit News . 29m
U.S. to ban Chinese purchases of farmland, citing national security
Top officials said the Trump administration will use executive
action and work with state officials to ban sales of farmland ...
U.S. to ban Chinese purchases of farmland, citing national security
Top officials said the Trump administration will use executive
action and work with state officials to ban sales of farmland ...
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 08, 2025 11:39 AM (EeO/8)
142
Interrogator pulls out a little notebook. Says, "Listen, it/them, we're willing to make a deal with whoever gives us the best data so's we can pull in more of your group. Gotta me accurate. Gotta be actionable. And you gotta be first.
Sooo...
I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero 'til the end of the night
He's gotta be strong
And he's gotta be fast
And he's gotta be fresh from the fight
I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero 'til the morning light
He's gotta be sure
And it's gotta be soon
And he's gotta be larger than life!
Larger than life
Sounds kinda ghey.
Sooo...
I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero 'til the end of the night
He's gotta be strong
And he's gotta be fast
And he's gotta be fresh from the fight
I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero 'til the morning light
He's gotta be sure
And it's gotta be soon
And he's gotta be larger than life!
Larger than life
Sounds kinda ghey.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:40 AM (Riz8t)
143
The Detroit News . 29m
U.S. to ban Chinese purchases of farmland, citing national security
Top officials said the Trump administration will use executive
action and work with state officials to ban sales of farmland ...
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 08, 2025 11:39 AM (EeO/8
Class action suit coming in 3...2...
U.S. to ban Chinese purchases of farmland, citing national security
Top officials said the Trump administration will use executive
action and work with state officials to ban sales of farmland ...
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 08, 2025 11:39 AM (EeO/8
Class action suit coming in 3...2...
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 08, 2025 11:40 AM (MGB5H)
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@TheBabylonBee
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Posted by: Don Black. Message: pending at July 08, 2025 11:40 AM (AOsQT)
145
And an efficient air transport system is good for the economy!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
A public good like roads and sewers.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
A public good like roads and sewers.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 08, 2025 11:40 AM (+3/DM)
146
The British ran an empire spanning the globe with boats, soldiers, and clerks. You would think we could manage an air traffic system.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 08, 2025 11:30 AM (ufFY
Generally speaking, boats and soldiers move slower than airplanes.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 08, 2025 11:30 AM (ufFY
Generally speaking, boats and soldiers move slower than airplanes.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 08, 2025 11:40 AM (ExV1e)
Posted by: Mile-High Club at July 08, 2025 11:40 AM (w9Wax)
148
And those people get a nasal irrigation day at Gitmo until they give up their higher ups.
Posted by: NR Pax at July 08, 2025 11:37 AM
Remember, it's not waterboarding if you use soy milk.
Posted by: NR Pax at July 08, 2025 11:37 AM
Remember, it's not waterboarding if you use soy milk.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 08, 2025 11:40 AM (kgE5c)
149
That's where modern systems and modern hardware can make a huge difference. And an efficient air transport system is good for the economy!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Yes. It can be. That is why I think privatization is probably the way forward than continuing with slow government processes.
Unless you turn over the ATC to the military to run which may end up being wise due to drone warfare threats.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Yes. It can be. That is why I think privatization is probably the way forward than continuing with slow government processes.
Unless you turn over the ATC to the military to run which may end up being wise due to drone warfare threats.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 11:41 AM (ctrM5)
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Thx CBD. The Air Traffic Controllers Union resisted any changes for years. Recently they seem to be realizing the system is a mess after Obama's and then Biden's racist hiring and DEI crap. They may just be willing to play ball with the administration
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 08, 2025 11:41 AM (JtH6i)
151
Machine guns, mines, and rocket launchers on cars?
Steve Jackson's Car Wars has entered Chat.
Posted by: Anna Puma
Toyota Hilux has entered the chat.
Steve Jackson's Car Wars has entered Chat.
Posted by: Anna Puma
Toyota Hilux has entered the chat.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 11:41 AM (j9D3P)
152
Generally speaking, boats and soldiers move slower than airplanes.
Clearly you haven't had to fly out of Dulles lately.
Clearly you haven't had to fly out of Dulles lately.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:41 AM (Riz8t)
153
For less than a train bridge to nowhere in Cali we could get a new ATC system. Now you see why donks love trains… I mean graft.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at July 08, 2025 11:41 AM (17s+e)
154
The Detroit News . 29m
U.S. to ban Chinese purchases of farmland, citing national security
Top officials said the Trump administration will use executive
action and work with state officials to ban sales of farmland ...
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 08, 2025 11:39 AM (EeO/
Yeah, and then work on getting whatever they own back.
U.S. to ban Chinese purchases of farmland, citing national security
Top officials said the Trump administration will use executive
action and work with state officials to ban sales of farmland ...
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 08, 2025 11:39 AM (EeO/
Yeah, and then work on getting whatever they own back.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 08, 2025 11:42 AM (snZF9)
155
So does the gummint want to ban future land purchases by the dinks, or are we also gonna take back the plots they already own?
cuz that would be a thing
cuz that would be a thing
Posted by: Don Black. Message: pending at July 08, 2025 11:42 AM (AOsQT)
156
I work for a state government. We still use the "green, blindly- winky" screen for accounting. It is the system of record. They're telling us it's going away... we'll see...
Posted by: lin-duh at July 08, 2025 11:27 AM
The Navy finally got rid of paper service records in 2010, the switch took almost 20 years to happen.
Posted by: lin-duh at July 08, 2025 11:27 AM
The Navy finally got rid of paper service records in 2010, the switch took almost 20 years to happen.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 08, 2025 11:42 AM (e5NfL)
157
The FBI, under the direction of Director Kash Patel and Deputy Director Dan Bongino, is back to the basics: Locking up criminals, and cleaning up America’s streets. We have the Greatest Law Enforcement professionals in the World, but “Politics” and Corrupt Leadership often prevented them from doing their job. That is no longer the case, and now, they have been unleashed to do their jobs, and they are doing just that. Keep it up — MAKE AMERICA SAFE AGAIN! @realDonaldTrump
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 11:42 AM (/U5Yz)
158
Interrogator pulls out a little notebook. Says, "Listen, it/them, we're willing to make a deal with whoever gives us the best data so's we can pull in more of your group. Gotta me accurate. Gotta be actionable. And you gotta be first. So, you gonna be a tough persyn or try to save something of your life?"
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 08, 2025 11:37 AM
*tosses broken pool cue on the floor*
Make it quick.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 08, 2025 11:37 AM
*tosses broken pool cue on the floor*
Make it quick.
Posted by: toby928 at July 08, 2025 11:42 AM (jc0TO)
159
136 131 Antifa is going to lose a lot of foot soldiers over the next few years.
I am hoping that the foot soldiers give up the higher ranking folks as well. And those people get a nasal irrigation day at Gitmo until they give up their higher ups.
Posted by: NR Pax at July 08, 2025 11:37 AM (NR6c1)
THe internet and different messaging systems made anonymous communications at long distance easy. And I'll bet not one in a hundred Antifa members realized how dangerous it is to take orders from someone you don't really know and that you've never met.
They are all just cannon fodder, and they're going to go down not even realizing what happened to them.
I am hoping that the foot soldiers give up the higher ranking folks as well. And those people get a nasal irrigation day at Gitmo until they give up their higher ups.
Posted by: NR Pax at July 08, 2025 11:37 AM (NR6c1)
THe internet and different messaging systems made anonymous communications at long distance easy. And I'll bet not one in a hundred Antifa members realized how dangerous it is to take orders from someone you don't really know and that you've never met.
They are all just cannon fodder, and they're going to go down not even realizing what happened to them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 08, 2025 11:43 AM (uWKK8)
160
The Navy finally got rid of paper service records in 2010, the switch took almost 20 years to happen.
And now the guy in the cave is out of a job. Did you thing about that? No. No you did not.
And now the guy in the cave is out of a job. Did you thing about that? No. No you did not.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:43 AM (Riz8t)
161
Interrogator pulls out a little notebook. Says, "Listen, it/them, we're willing to make a deal with whoever gives us the best data so's we can pull in more of your group. Gotta me accurate. Gotta be actionable. And you gotta be first.
Sooo...
I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero 'til the end of the night
He's gotta be strong
And he's gotta be fast
And he's gotta be fresh from the fight
I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero 'til the morning light
He's gotta be sure
And it's gotta be soon
And he's gotta be larger than life!
Larger than life
Sounds kinda ghey.
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You think THAT was ghey...
Sooo...
I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero 'til the end of the night
He's gotta be strong
And he's gotta be fast
And he's gotta be fresh from the fight
I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero 'til the morning light
He's gotta be sure
And it's gotta be soon
And he's gotta be larger than life!
Larger than life
Sounds kinda ghey.
----------
You think THAT was ghey...
Posted by: The Video Was Worse at July 08, 2025 11:43 AM (TN0g+)
162
In this case, "probably destroyed" means "moved outside the US".
____
Who has Epstein files?
a) Israel
b) Britain
c) China
d) Qatar
e) all of the above
____
Who has Epstein files?
a) Israel
b) Britain
c) China
d) Qatar
e) all of the above
Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 08, 2025 11:44 AM (Dv3i1)
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160 The Navy finally got rid of paper service records in 2010, the switch took almost 20 years to happen.
And now the guy in the cave is out of a job. Did you thing about that? No. No you did not.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:43 AM (Riz8t)
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And not even one federal judge filed a TRO to stop it.
Not. One.
It's like they don't even care about hard working Americans.
And now the guy in the cave is out of a job. Did you thing about that? No. No you did not.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:43 AM (Riz8t)
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And not even one federal judge filed a TRO to stop it.
Not. One.
It's like they don't even care about hard working Americans.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:44 AM (GBKbO)
164
Class action suit coming in 3...2...
Posted by: BruceWayne
And will fail. It is very difficult to get a takings clause case before the court and even less when the potential loss is that you cannot sell to the Chinese men land adjacent to a military base.
Some will try but diminished value at sale is generally not enough to trigger Bill of Rights protections. Zoning laws for example unless they deprive the land of almost any value, are upheld under the 5th and 14th Amendments.
Posted by: BruceWayne
And will fail. It is very difficult to get a takings clause case before the court and even less when the potential loss is that you cannot sell to the Chinese men land adjacent to a military base.
Some will try but diminished value at sale is generally not enough to trigger Bill of Rights protections. Zoning laws for example unless they deprive the land of almost any value, are upheld under the 5th and 14th Amendments.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 11:44 AM (ctrM5)
165
We're number one!
The Wife-Carrying Championships in Sonkajärvi, Finland, had a noteworthy outcome this year:
A brand new record of 1:01.17 was set ... and it was set by a couple of Americans!
-
Rules and video.
https://is.gd/DTCfBw
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
Love where they carry her over their head and down their back with her head around their butts, and then run through chest deep water.
The Wife-Carrying Championships in Sonkajärvi, Finland, had a noteworthy outcome this year:
A brand new record of 1:01.17 was set ... and it was set by a couple of Americans!
-
Rules and video.
https://is.gd/DTCfBw
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
Love where they carry her over their head and down their back with her head around their butts, and then run through chest deep water.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 11:44 AM (j9D3P)
166
The FBI, under the direction of Director Kash Patel and Deputy Director Dan Bongino, is back to the basics: vetting suspects based on political considerations; and losing evidence.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: pending at July 08, 2025 11:44 AM (AOsQT)
167
You think THAT was ghey...
Posted by: The Video Was Worse at July 08, 2025 11:43 AM (TN0g+)
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Yeah, about that....
Posted by: The Video Was Worse at July 08, 2025 11:43 AM (TN0g+)
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Yeah, about that....
Posted by: Billy Squier at July 08, 2025 11:44 AM (tT6L1)
168
Remember, it's not waterboarding if you use soy milk.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
To borrow from Mike Z. Williamson: "It's not waterboarding if you use diesel."
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
To borrow from Mike Z. Williamson: "It's not waterboarding if you use diesel."
Posted by: NR Pax at July 08, 2025 11:45 AM (NR6c1)
169
THe internet and different messaging systems made anonymous communications at long distance easy. And I'll bet not one in a hundred Antifa members realized how dangerous it is to take orders from someone you don't really know and that you've never met.
They are all just cannon fodder, and they're going to go down not even realizing what happened to them.
Posted by: Tom Servo
So, anyway...
They are all just cannon fodder, and they're going to go down not even realizing what happened to them.
Posted by: Tom Servo
So, anyway...
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 11:45 AM (j9D3P)
170
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 08, 2025 11:36 AM (ImXfC)
Sometimes you just have to let me roll.
Sometimes you just have to let me roll.
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 11:45 AM (VPwHp)
171
Clearly you haven't had to fly out of Dulles lately.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:41 AM (Riz8t)
I haven't flown anywhere since my oldest got married. Hopefully their younger sibling will choose to do things local.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:41 AM (Riz8t)
I haven't flown anywhere since my oldest got married. Hopefully their younger sibling will choose to do things local.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 08, 2025 11:46 AM (ExV1e)
172
I wonder if military bases could expand and eminent domain the chinks out of the land?
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 11:46 AM (/U5Yz)
173
Who has Epstein files?
a) Israel
b) Britain
c) China
d) Qatar
e) all of the above
Posted by: Chuck Martel
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If the CIA or FBI were involved which they were at least in Epstein's Palm Beach exploits, I guarantee that those files were never destroyed--they tend to rathole them somewhere for future use. Kompromat never loses much value until the target dies or becomes irrelevant to the IC targeting mechanism.
Floating out the idea that they were all destroyed in a tragic canoe accident simply is a way of lessening the pressure to release what they have.
a) Israel
b) Britain
c) China
d) Qatar
e) all of the above
Posted by: Chuck Martel
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If the CIA or FBI were involved which they were at least in Epstein's Palm Beach exploits, I guarantee that those files were never destroyed--they tend to rathole them somewhere for future use. Kompromat never loses much value until the target dies or becomes irrelevant to the IC targeting mechanism.
Floating out the idea that they were all destroyed in a tragic canoe accident simply is a way of lessening the pressure to release what they have.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 11:46 AM (ctrM5)
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Coming down in buckets here. Huge thunderstorm overhead. Maybe it will decrease the humidity, which was nasty while golfing
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 08, 2025 11:47 AM (JtH6i)
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Munkey
Munkey
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 08, 2025 11:48 AM (y9nCu)
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THe internet and different messaging systems made anonymous communications at long distance easy. And I'll bet not one in a hundred Antifa members realized how dangerous it is to take orders from someone you don't really know and that you've never met.
They are all just cannon fodder, and they're going to go down not even realizing what happened to them.
They love to talk about how they're in the Resistance (oh, how brave) and fighting fascism. It will be interesting to see their reactions when they realize that the fascists are pretty good at following the thread up the chain.
They are all just cannon fodder, and they're going to go down not even realizing what happened to them.
They love to talk about how they're in the Resistance (oh, how brave) and fighting fascism. It will be interesting to see their reactions when they realize that the fascists are pretty good at following the thread up the chain.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:48 AM (Riz8t)
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Love where they carry her over their head and down their back with her head around their butts, and then run through chest deep water.
Posted by: rickb223
That's what makes it the sport of kings!
Posted by: rickb223
That's what makes it the sport of kings!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 08, 2025 11:48 AM (L/fGl)
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Hi friends. We have made it to Tuesday. Goodness all the pictures of the children who did not make it lays heavy on my heart. I cannot fathom the pain of their parents and families. Js dad was in his 80s, he lived a full life. It hurts, but it is not the same. He accepted my youngest daughter immediately and without question- it didn’t matter that she was not biologically his grandchild. When she asked what to call him early on, he looked confused and said “Grandpa K. That is what my grandchildren call me so what else would YOU call me?” I hope he is in heaven helping those babies and being Grandpa K to them as well.
Posted by: Piper at July 08, 2025 11:48 AM (pZEOD)
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162 In this case, "probably destroyed" means "moved outside the US".
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Who has Epstein files?
a) Israel
b) Britain
c) China
d) Qatar
e) all of the above
Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 08, 2025 11:44 AM (Dv3i1)
Must've really sucked for these intelligence agencies to cultivate such a network and run it through a single individual, only to watch that individual die in custody and essentially release all of his "victims" from their stranglehold.
All that work for nothing.
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Who has Epstein files?
a) Israel
b) Britain
c) China
d) Qatar
e) all of the above
Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 08, 2025 11:44 AM (Dv3i1)
Must've really sucked for these intelligence agencies to cultivate such a network and run it through a single individual, only to watch that individual die in custody and essentially release all of his "victims" from their stranglehold.
All that work for nothing.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 08, 2025 11:48 AM (pLAVy)
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And not even one federal judge filed a TRO to stop it.
Not. One.
It's like they don't even care about hard working Americans.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:44 AM (GBKbO)
I just laughed, not at the joke, but at the idea that we are at a point where if a federal judge does not try to nationwide injunct(?) something, it MUST be a bad idea.
They are compelled to use their power. Like Superman.
Not. One.
It's like they don't even care about hard working Americans.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:44 AM (GBKbO)
I just laughed, not at the joke, but at the idea that we are at a point where if a federal judge does not try to nationwide injunct(?) something, it MUST be a bad idea.
They are compelled to use their power. Like Superman.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 08, 2025 11:48 AM (bss/y)
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166 The FBI, under the direction of Director Kash Patel and Deputy Director Dan Bongino, is back to the basics: vetting suspects based on political considerations; and losing evidence.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: pending
Yes. Sorry President Trump, the damage control isn't working. The internet is aflame because of the lack Epstein transparency and the outright lying.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: pending
Yes. Sorry President Trump, the damage control isn't working. The internet is aflame because of the lack Epstein transparency and the outright lying.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 11:49 AM (/U5Yz)
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The sport of Kings is hockey
Posted by: Don Black. Message: pending at July 08, 2025 11:49 AM (AOsQT)
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You think THAT was ghey...
Posted by: The Video Was Worse at July 08, 2025 11:43 AM (TN0g+)
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Yeah, about that....
Posted by: Billy Squier at July 08, 2025 11:44 AM (tT6L1)
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Whoever suggested "dance like nobody is watching" never saw that video!
Posted by: The Video Was Worse at July 08, 2025 11:43 AM (TN0g+)
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Yeah, about that....
Posted by: Billy Squier at July 08, 2025 11:44 AM (tT6L1)
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Whoever suggested "dance like nobody is watching" never saw that video!
Posted by: Crusader at July 08, 2025 11:49 AM (TN0g+)
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180 I just laughed, not at the joke, but at the idea that we are at a point where if a federal judge does not try to nationwide injunct(?) something, it MUST be a bad idea.
They are compelled to use their power. Like Superman.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 08, 2025 11:48 AM (bss/y)
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The newest one about PP's funding in the OBBB his kind of hilarious.
PP didn't even ask for it. The judge just did it.
The bill's funding mechanisms aren't even in effect yet, so there's no harm to prove yet (making timeliness, a common important thing in jurisprudence, irrelevant, I guess). And it's all assumed that it's a Bill of Attainder which...it's obviously not.
They are compelled to use their power. Like Superman.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 08, 2025 11:48 AM (bss/y)
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The newest one about PP's funding in the OBBB his kind of hilarious.
PP didn't even ask for it. The judge just did it.
The bill's funding mechanisms aren't even in effect yet, so there's no harm to prove yet (making timeliness, a common important thing in jurisprudence, irrelevant, I guess). And it's all assumed that it's a Bill of Attainder which...it's obviously not.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:50 AM (GBKbO)
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Whoever suggested "dance like nobody is watching" never saw that video!
Posted by: Crusader at July 08, 2025 11:49 AM (TN0g+)
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Elaine Benes has entered the chat.
Posted by: Crusader at July 08, 2025 11:49 AM (TN0g+)
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Elaine Benes has entered the chat.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 08, 2025 11:51 AM (tT6L1)
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We're number one!
The Wife-Carrying Championships in Sonkajärvi, Finland, had a noteworthy outcome this year:
A brand new record of 1:01.17 was set ... and it was set by a couple of Americans!
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Rules and video.
https://is.gd/DTCfBw
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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they didn't choose the bear?
The Wife-Carrying Championships in Sonkajärvi, Finland, had a noteworthy outcome this year:
A brand new record of 1:01.17 was set ... and it was set by a couple of Americans!
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Rules and video.
https://is.gd/DTCfBw
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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they didn't choose the bear?
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 08, 2025 11:51 AM (iFTx/)
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I hope he is in heaven helping those babies and being Grandpa K to them as well.
Posted by: Piper
Amen, Piper.
Posted by: Piper
Amen, Piper.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 11:51 AM (77rzZ)
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No doubt Epstein was running honey traps for intelligence services. Which ones or all of them? Pretty much the same.
Problem was powerful people were trapped and that the intelligence agencies were complicit with Epstein using underage girls.
Problem was powerful people were trapped and that the intelligence agencies were complicit with Epstein using underage girls.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 08, 2025 11:52 AM (JtH6i)
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The newest one about PP's funding in the OBBB his kind of hilarious.
PP didn't even ask for it. The judge just did it.
The bill's funding mechanisms aren't even in effect yet, so there's no harm to prove yet (making timeliness, a common important thing in jurisprudence, irrelevant, I guess). And it's all assumed that it's a Bill of Attainder which...it's obviously not.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
And there was no court case, so no aggrieved party.
PP didn't even ask for it. The judge just did it.
The bill's funding mechanisms aren't even in effect yet, so there's no harm to prove yet (making timeliness, a common important thing in jurisprudence, irrelevant, I guess). And it's all assumed that it's a Bill of Attainder which...it's obviously not.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
And there was no court case, so no aggrieved party.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 11:52 AM (j9D3P)
190
Who has Epstein files?
a) Israel
b) Britain
c) China
d) Qatar
e) all of the above
Posted by: Chuck Martel
Israel, even if not involved in the collection of it, probably has them as well as Russia and China because they have efficient spy services in the US. My favorite pick for running the show would be British intel and we know that British Security Services knew damn well that Prince Andrew was involved with Epstein as royals have and will be a particular focus of those services.
That they permitted Andrew to associate with Epstein without warning him off indicates something about control here.
a) Israel
b) Britain
c) China
d) Qatar
e) all of the above
Posted by: Chuck Martel
Israel, even if not involved in the collection of it, probably has them as well as Russia and China because they have efficient spy services in the US. My favorite pick for running the show would be British intel and we know that British Security Services knew damn well that Prince Andrew was involved with Epstein as royals have and will be a particular focus of those services.
That they permitted Andrew to associate with Epstein without warning him off indicates something about control here.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 11:52 AM (ctrM5)
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The bill's funding mechanisms aren't even in effect yet, so there's no harm to prove yet (making timeliness, a common important thing in jurisprudence, irrelevant, I guess). And it's all assumed that it's a Bill of Attainder which...it's obviously not.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:50 AM (GBKbO)
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I can probably find more than a few Bills of Attainder which were created and used again President Trump. So, projection, once again, from the left.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:50 AM (GBKbO)
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I can probably find more than a few Bills of Attainder which were created and used again President Trump. So, projection, once again, from the left.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 08, 2025 11:52 AM (tT6L1)
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8 The FAA would be an example of a legitimate exercise of the Interstate Commerce Clause, no?
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 11:03 AM (77rzZ)
To a great extent I would think so.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 11:03 AM (77rzZ)
To a great extent I would think so.
Posted by: jim in (Kalifornia) at July 08, 2025 11:52 AM (ynpvh)
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:50 AM (GBKbO)
The difference between these judges and a guy sitting in a padded room somewhere is getting narrower - and blurrier - by the day.
Maybe this is the Left's affinity with trannies. Kindred spirits. Say it - and it is so.
The difference between these judges and a guy sitting in a padded room somewhere is getting narrower - and blurrier - by the day.
Maybe this is the Left's affinity with trannies. Kindred spirits. Say it - and it is so.
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 11:52 AM (VPwHp)
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"To borrow from Mike Z. Williamson: "It's not waterboarding if you use diesel."
That guy must read stuff from here because I posted that here a long time ago and I've never heard of the guy.
I just made it up in my occasionally inspired sick mind.
That guy must read stuff from here because I posted that here a long time ago and I've never heard of the guy.
I just made it up in my occasionally inspired sick mind.
Posted by: pawn at July 08, 2025 11:52 AM (QB+5g)
195
The bill's funding mechanisms aren't even in effect yet, so there's no harm to prove yet (making timeliness, a common important thing in jurisprudence, irrelevant, I guess). And it's all assumed that it's a Bill of Attainder which...it's obviously not.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:50 AM (GBKbO)
Wait, did no one bring a case? He just gaveled himself in and proclaimed?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:50 AM (GBKbO)
Wait, did no one bring a case? He just gaveled himself in and proclaimed?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 08, 2025 11:53 AM (bss/y)
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Israel, even if not involved in the collection of it, probably has them as well as Russia and China because they have efficient spy services in the US. My favorite pick for running the show would be British intel and we know that British Security Services knew damn well that Prince Andrew was involved with Epstein as royals have and will be a particular focus of those services.
That they permitted Andrew to associate with Epstein without warning him off indicates something about control here.
Posted by: whig
Prince Charles wanting to thin the ranks.
That they permitted Andrew to associate with Epstein without warning him off indicates something about control here.
Posted by: whig
Prince Charles wanting to thin the ranks.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 11:53 AM (j9D3P)
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193 The difference between these judges and a guy sitting in a padded room somewhere is getting narrower - and blurrier - by the day.
Maybe this is the Left's affinity with trannies. Kindred spirits. Say it - and it is so.
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 11:52 AM (VPwHp)
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I've been pro-impeach judges (even though the Senate won't have the votes to convict) for a while, but this lady takes the cake.
If we're going to get the theater, make it entertaining theater.
Maybe this is the Left's affinity with trannies. Kindred spirits. Say it - and it is so.
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 11:52 AM (VPwHp)
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I've been pro-impeach judges (even though the Senate won't have the votes to convict) for a while, but this lady takes the cake.
If we're going to get the theater, make it entertaining theater.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:53 AM (GBKbO)
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Wait, did no one bring a case?
He just gaveled himself in and proclaimed?
Posted by: Aetius451AD
Yeppers.
He just gaveled himself in and proclaimed?
Posted by: Aetius451AD
Yeppers.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2025 11:54 AM (j9D3P)
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To borrow from Mike Z. Williamson: "It's not waterboarding if you use diesel."
Posted by: NR Pax at July 08, 2025 11:45 AM
I was going to with diesel, but soy milk seemed to fit better here.
Posted by: NR Pax at July 08, 2025 11:45 AM
I was going to with diesel, but soy milk seemed to fit better here.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 08, 2025 11:54 AM (kgE5c)
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Wait, did no one bring a case? He just gaveled himself in and proclaimed?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 08, 2025 11:53 AM (bss/y)
Less rules than an MLB Kangaroo Court.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 08, 2025 11:53 AM (bss/y)
Less rules than an MLB Kangaroo Court.
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 08, 2025 11:54 AM (MGB5H)
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The Wife-Carrying Championships in Sonkajärvi, Finland, had a noteworthy outcome this year:
A brand new record of 1:01.17 was set ... and it was set by a couple of Americans!
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Rules and video.
A couple where the man is much bigger than the woman has an unfair advantage. There need to be categories based on M/F size ratio. Either that, or the man must breakfast on burritos.
A brand new record of 1:01.17 was set ... and it was set by a couple of Americans!
-
Rules and video.
A couple where the man is much bigger than the woman has an unfair advantage. There need to be categories based on M/F size ratio. Either that, or the man must breakfast on burritos.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:54 AM (Riz8t)
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The sport of Kings is hockey
Posted by: Don Black. Message: pending at July 08, 2025 11:49 AM (AOsQT)
Any sport where they throw weird animals like an octopus onto the playing field can't be all bad.
Of course, that's mitigated by the fans eating poutine in the stands.
The sport of Kings is hockey
Posted by: Don Black. Message: pending at July 08, 2025 11:49 AM (AOsQT)
Any sport where they throw weird animals like an octopus onto the playing field can't be all bad.
Of course, that's mitigated by the fans eating poutine in the stands.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 08, 2025 11:54 AM (y9nCu)
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I've been pro-impeach judges (even though the Senate won't have the votes to convict) for a while, but this lady takes the cake.
If we're going to get the theater, make it entertaining theater.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:53 AM (GBKbO)
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Maybe institute trial by combat?
If we're going to get the theater, make it entertaining theater.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:53 AM (GBKbO)
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Maybe institute trial by combat?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 08, 2025 11:54 AM (tT6L1)
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Wait, did no one bring a case? He just gaveled himself in and proclaimed?
Posted by: Aetius451AD
Just following the SC's example.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
Just following the SC's example.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 08, 2025 11:54 AM (+3/DM)
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195 The bill's funding mechanisms aren't even in effect yet, so there's no harm to prove yet (making timeliness, a common important thing in jurisprudence, irrelevant, I guess). And it's all assumed that it's a Bill of Attainder which...it's obviously not.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:50 AM (GBKbO)
Wait, did no one bring a case? He just gaveled himself in and proclaimed?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 08, 2025 11:53 AM (bss/y)
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PP filed for something process related. Like, discovery or something (I'm not a lawyer, I just read X).
The judge then went, "TRO. No, I'm not giving the government time to respond."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:50 AM (GBKbO)
Wait, did no one bring a case? He just gaveled himself in and proclaimed?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 08, 2025 11:53 AM (bss/y)
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PP filed for something process related. Like, discovery or something (I'm not a lawyer, I just read X).
The judge then went, "TRO. No, I'm not giving the government time to respond."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:54 AM (GBKbO)
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Wow, that really is robed masters.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 08, 2025 11:55 AM (bss/y)
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No doubt Epstein was running honey traps for intelligence services. Which ones or all of them? Pretty much the same.
Problem was powerful people were trapped and that the intelligence agencies were complicit with Epstein using underage girls.
Posted by: Smell the Glove
I'm so glad now that the CIA turned me down for a job lo those many years ago. I was devastating at the time (I had just left the Navy and gotten married), but in hindsight I'm grateful that it happened. No telling what hinky (or worse) stuff I would've had to get involved in.
Problem was powerful people were trapped and that the intelligence agencies were complicit with Epstein using underage girls.
Posted by: Smell the Glove
I'm so glad now that the CIA turned me down for a job lo those many years ago. I was devastating at the time (I had just left the Navy and gotten married), but in hindsight I'm grateful that it happened. No telling what hinky (or worse) stuff I would've had to get involved in.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 11:55 AM (77rzZ)
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203 I've been pro-impeach judges (even though the Senate won't have the votes to convict) for a while, but this lady takes the cake.
If we're going to get the theater, make it entertaining theater.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:53 AM (GBKbO)
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Maybe institute trial by combat?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 08, 2025 11:54 AM (tT6L1)
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Go full impeachment theater on these judges and require Roberts to preside over every one of them.
If we're going to get the theater, make it entertaining theater.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:53 AM (GBKbO)
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Maybe institute trial by combat?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 08, 2025 11:54 AM (tT6L1)
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Go full impeachment theater on these judges and require Roberts to preside over every one of them.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:55 AM (GBKbO)
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“I can’t underscore enough that there will be no amnesty, the mass deportations continue, but in a strategic way,” Rollins said. “And we move the (farm) workforce toward automation and 100% American participation.”
This all sounds good, but what did Rollins mean by “strategic?” Does she mean we will put illegal farmworkers on the back burner while focusing on other lawbreakers?
Many X users were also wondering the same thing. @GP
Strategic way = You will strategically bend over and take it in the squeaker at some time in the future.
This all sounds good, but what did Rollins mean by “strategic?” Does she mean we will put illegal farmworkers on the back burner while focusing on other lawbreakers?
Many X users were also wondering the same thing. @GP
Strategic way = You will strategically bend over and take it in the squeaker at some time in the future.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 11:56 AM (/U5Yz)
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That's the way retarded people dance
Posted by: Dreamingrobot at July 08, 2025 11:56 AM (uUx9n)
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The bill's funding mechanisms aren't even in effect yet, so there's no harm to prove yet (making timeliness, a common important thing in jurisprudence, irrelevant, I guess). And it's all assumed that it's a Bill of Attainder which...it's obviously not.
In a world where KJB is a SCOTUS justice, is it surprising that this kind of self-important lunacy happens?
In a world where KJB is a SCOTUS justice, is it surprising that this kind of self-important lunacy happens?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:56 AM (Riz8t)
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A couple where the man is much bigger than the woman has an unfair advantage. There need to be categories based on M/F size ratio. Either that, or the man must breakfast on burritos.
Posted by: Archimedes
If the wife doesn't weigh enough they add weight un a backpack.
Posted by: Archimedes
If the wife doesn't weigh enough they add weight un a backpack.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 08, 2025 11:56 AM (+3/DM)
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If we're going to get the theater, make it entertaining theater.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:53 AM (GBKbO)
Like those mystery dinner theater nights.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:53 AM (GBKbO)
Like those mystery dinner theater nights.
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 11:56 AM (VPwHp)
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Any sport where they throw weird animals like an octopus onto the playing field can't be all bad.
...
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 08, 2025 11:54 AM (y9nCu)
*perks up*
...
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 08, 2025 11:54 AM (y9nCu)
*perks up*
Posted by: Kurt Eichenwald at July 08, 2025 11:57 AM (PiwSw)
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188 No doubt Epstein was running honey traps for intelligence services. Which ones or all of them? Pretty much the same.
Problem was powerful people were trapped and that the intelligence agencies were complicit with Epstein using underage girls.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 08, 2025 11:52 AM (JtH6i)
I don't think there is as big of a degree of separation amongst the intel services as we think. I think CIA / MI6 / Mossad / the rest of the five eyes / Pakistan / Turkey / Russian / German etc. etc. intel services work very closely together for goals that are not necessarily aligned with the goals of the countries they work for or the people who nominally elect the people that run those governments.
For example, our intel services were working with the Chinese CCP to create the virus that became COVID.
So who ran Epstein? I don't know, but I think a lotttt of people were in on it.
Problem was powerful people were trapped and that the intelligence agencies were complicit with Epstein using underage girls.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 08, 2025 11:52 AM (JtH6i)
I don't think there is as big of a degree of separation amongst the intel services as we think. I think CIA / MI6 / Mossad / the rest of the five eyes / Pakistan / Turkey / Russian / German etc. etc. intel services work very closely together for goals that are not necessarily aligned with the goals of the countries they work for or the people who nominally elect the people that run those governments.
For example, our intel services were working with the Chinese CCP to create the virus that became COVID.
So who ran Epstein? I don't know, but I think a lotttt of people were in on it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 11:57 AM (uCjyK)
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In a world where KJB is a SCOTUS justice, is it surprising that this kind of self-important lunacy happens?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:56 AM (Riz8t)
I'd like to see Jumanji Action Jackson define Bill of Attainder.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:56 AM (Riz8t)
I'd like to see Jumanji Action Jackson define Bill of Attainder.
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 08, 2025 11:57 AM (MGB5H)
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“I can’t underscore enough that there will be no amnesty, the mass deportations continue, but in a strategic way,” Rollins said. “And we move the (farm) workforce toward automation and 100% American participation.”
You know what it means.
You know what it means.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:57 AM (Riz8t)
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188 No doubt Epstein was running honey traps for intelligence services. Which ones or all of them? Pretty much the same.
Problem was powerful people were trapped and that the intelligence agencies were complicit with Epstein using underage girls.
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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They did something similar with the waterboarding, black CIA interrogation sites, and direct rendition investigations starting about 2004 or so until the Barky years.
Difference is that the targets in those cases were nasty terrorists versus pimping out troubled young females to service nasty pedophile and pedarast critters.
Given no leaks as to the aims and means of the program, my guess is a foreign intel from an allied state, Britain (my guess) or perhaps Israel (via Wexner Mega Group and Ghislaine), ran the op with domestic FBI and CIA getting the 'product'. Course, in that world, it could have been false flag contractors that were former agents like Steele running the op for plausible deniability by fedgov.
The CIA files from the RFK and JFK files reveal that no former asset is ever truly retired. They simply pay them on a contractor basis (see E. Howard Hunt, for example)
Problem was powerful people were trapped and that the intelligence agencies were complicit with Epstein using underage girls.
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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They did something similar with the waterboarding, black CIA interrogation sites, and direct rendition investigations starting about 2004 or so until the Barky years.
Difference is that the targets in those cases were nasty terrorists versus pimping out troubled young females to service nasty pedophile and pedarast critters.
Given no leaks as to the aims and means of the program, my guess is a foreign intel from an allied state, Britain (my guess) or perhaps Israel (via Wexner Mega Group and Ghislaine), ran the op with domestic FBI and CIA getting the 'product'. Course, in that world, it could have been false flag contractors that were former agents like Steele running the op for plausible deniability by fedgov.
The CIA files from the RFK and JFK files reveal that no former asset is ever truly retired. They simply pay them on a contractor basis (see E. Howard Hunt, for example)
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 11:58 AM (ctrM5)
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If the wife doesn't weigh enough they add weight un a backpack.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 08, 2025 11:56 AM (+3/DM)
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....every single wife involved is claiming weight needs to be added...
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 08, 2025 11:56 AM (+3/DM)
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....every single wife involved is claiming weight needs to be added...
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 08, 2025 11:58 AM (tT6L1)
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I don't know, but I think a lotttt of people were in on it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 11:57 AM (uCjyK)
Are we talking about Epstein or Kamala?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 11:57 AM (uCjyK)
Are we talking about Epstein or Kamala?
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 11:58 AM (VPwHp)
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I'd like to see Jumanji Action Jackson define Bill of Attainder.
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 08, 2025 11:57 AM (MGB5H)
She can't even spell it...
I'd like to see Jumanji Action Jackson define Bill of Attainder.
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 08, 2025 11:57 AM (MGB5H)
She can't even spell it...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 11:58 AM (VE6XX)
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THe internet and different messaging systems made anonymous communications at long distance easy. And I'll bet not one in a hundred Antifa members realized how dangerous it is to take orders from someone you don't really know and that you've never met.
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The internet is very good at deceiving you with the illusion of anonymity.
The one and only reason they thought they were being secretive was because no one who could do anything cared.
They care now.
They care a lot.
And they are pissed.
That's a very, very bad place to be.
Even for the "I was just spit-balling; wasn't gonna do nuthin" folks.
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The internet is very good at deceiving you with the illusion of anonymity.
The one and only reason they thought they were being secretive was because no one who could do anything cared.
They care now.
They care a lot.
And they are pissed.
That's a very, very bad place to be.
Even for the "I was just spit-balling; wasn't gonna do nuthin" folks.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 08, 2025 11:58 AM (SLYtL)
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I'd like to see Jumanji Action Jackson define Bill of Attainder.
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 08, 2025 11:57 AM (MGB5H)
She can't even spell it...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 11:58 AM (VE6XX)
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She can get the space aliens from Mars to help her out.
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 08, 2025 11:57 AM (MGB5H)
She can't even spell it...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 11:58 AM (VE6XX)
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She can get the space aliens from Mars to help her out.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 08, 2025 11:59 AM (tT6L1)
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211 In a world where KJB is a SCOTUS justice, is it surprising that this kind of self-important lunacy happens?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:56 AM (Riz8t)
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Of course not.
Obama put a shit ton of stupid people on the bench.
And Judge Indira Talwani was appointed by Obama. In 2013. Dems had a majority.
She received 94 votes on the floor. Mitch offered no resistance...at all.
This is Mitch's legacy on judges, by the way.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 11:56 AM (Riz8t)
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Of course not.
Obama put a shit ton of stupid people on the bench.
And Judge Indira Talwani was appointed by Obama. In 2013. Dems had a majority.
She received 94 votes on the floor. Mitch offered no resistance...at all.
This is Mitch's legacy on judges, by the way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:59 AM (GBKbO)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 08, 2025 11:59 AM (+3/DM)
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Has anyone read Merriweather Farms's points about ag amnesty? It's the pinned xeet here (at the top, no need to scroll)
https://x.com/MeriwetherFarms
Has anyone read Merriweather Farms's points about ag amnesty? It's the pinned xeet here (at the top, no need to scroll)
https://x.com/MeriwetherFarms
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 11:59 AM (nC9OT)
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I'd like to see Jumanji Action Jackson define Bill of Attainder.
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 08, 2025 11:57 AM
Who dat?
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 08, 2025 11:57 AM
Who dat?
Posted by: KBJ at July 08, 2025 11:59 AM (kgE5c)
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If the wife doesn't weigh enough they add weight un a backpack.
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I've never understood the mindset of horse racing thinking that made things "better"? If a horse is a thousand times better, let him flog the field!
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I've never understood the mindset of horse racing thinking that made things "better"? If a horse is a thousand times better, let him flog the field!
Posted by: Crusader at July 08, 2025 12:00 PM (TN0g+)
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She received 94 votes on the floor. Mitch offered no resistance...at all.
This is Mitch's legacy on judges, by the way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:59 AM (GBKbO
But but merrick garland.
This is Mitch's legacy on judges, by the way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 11:59 AM (GBKbO
But but merrick garland.
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 08, 2025 12:00 PM (MGB5H)
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She can't even spell it...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 11:58 AM (VE6XX)
I'd be surprised if she could spell *it*.
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 11:58 AM (VE6XX)
I'd be surprised if she could spell *it*.
Posted by: ... at July 08, 2025 12:00 PM (VPwHp)
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Has anyone read Merriweather Farms's points about ag amnesty? It's the pinned xeet here (at the top, no need to scroll)
https://x.com/MeriwetherFarms
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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Oh and, it's not that long, but tl;dr Trump's amnesty-like direction will help Big Ag and hurt smaller farmers who comply.
Has anyone read Merriweather Farms's points about ag amnesty? It's the pinned xeet here (at the top, no need to scroll)
https://x.com/MeriwetherFarms
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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Oh and, it's not that long, but tl;dr Trump's amnesty-like direction will help Big Ag and hurt smaller farmers who comply.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 12:01 PM (nC9OT)
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This all sounds good, but what did Rollins mean by “strategic?” Does she mean we will put illegal farmworkers on the back burner while focusing on other lawbreakers?
Many X users were also wondering the same thing. @GP
Strategic way = You will strategically bend over and take it in the squeaker at some time in the future.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 11:56 AM (/U5Yz)
This "farmer" bullshit pisses me off. We're not talking about small 100 acre family farms hiring one or two seasonal guys illegally to help hand pick vegetables.
We're talking about mega corporations with massive amounts of automation, using many millions of dollars of heavy equipment to farm. And those skilled equipment operator jobs, as well as the more manual labor jobs, are going to illegal immigrants.
Why are we allowing these massive companies to violate US labor and immigration laws?
Many X users were also wondering the same thing. @GP
Strategic way = You will strategically bend over and take it in the squeaker at some time in the future.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 11:56 AM (/U5Yz)
This "farmer" bullshit pisses me off. We're not talking about small 100 acre family farms hiring one or two seasonal guys illegally to help hand pick vegetables.
We're talking about mega corporations with massive amounts of automation, using many millions of dollars of heavy equipment to farm. And those skilled equipment operator jobs, as well as the more manual labor jobs, are going to illegal immigrants.
Why are we allowing these massive companies to violate US labor and immigration laws?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 12:01 PM (uCjyK)
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So who ran Epstein? I don't know, but I think a lotttt of people were in on it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Given the blowback potential, my guess is titular foreign control or via deniable false flag assets like Steele (former foreign intel agents) running the day to day ops with everyone getting a cut of the info 'product'. During the WoT, US was getting feeds from Syrian and other 'hostile' nations just as Russia was giving the FBI info on creeps like the Boston bombers on the down low.
In the IC (and business for that matter), information is produced to be used and if sharing gets more information, then you share with others to get information that you want from them.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Given the blowback potential, my guess is titular foreign control or via deniable false flag assets like Steele (former foreign intel agents) running the day to day ops with everyone getting a cut of the info 'product'. During the WoT, US was getting feeds from Syrian and other 'hostile' nations just as Russia was giving the FBI info on creeps like the Boston bombers on the down low.
In the IC (and business for that matter), information is produced to be used and if sharing gets more information, then you share with others to get information that you want from them.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 12:01 PM (ctrM5)
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I've never understood the mindset of horse racing thinking that made things "better"? If a horse is a thousand times better, let him flog the field!
Posted by: Crusader
The story of Seabiscuit IIRC...
Posted by: Crusader
The story of Seabiscuit IIRC...
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 08, 2025 12:03 PM (+3/DM)
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Has anyone read Merriweather Farms's points about ag amnesty? It's the pinned xeet here (at the top, no need to scroll)
https://x.com/MeriwetherFarms
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 11:59 AM (nC9OT)
I hadn't seen that, but I agree with them 100%.
Has anyone read Merriweather Farms's points about ag amnesty? It's the pinned xeet here (at the top, no need to scroll)
https://x.com/MeriwetherFarms
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 08, 2025 11:59 AM (nC9OT)
I hadn't seen that, but I agree with them 100%.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 12:03 PM (uCjyK)
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So apparently historical funding did not take into account maintenance of the ATC system.
Posted by: Oglebay at July 08, 2025 12:03 PM (MMp6W)
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Oh and, it's not that long, but tl;dr Trump's amnesty-like direction will help Big Ag and hurt smaller farmers who comply.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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In my experience in that world field surveying farmers for the USDA (albeit back in the 00's), smaller farmers are more likely to use illegals; labor cost is a major factor to small farms while larger corporate farms are more likely to be mechanized--thus not needing low skill illegals.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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In my experience in that world field surveying farmers for the USDA (albeit back in the 00's), smaller farmers are more likely to use illegals; labor cost is a major factor to small farms while larger corporate farms are more likely to be mechanized--thus not needing low skill illegals.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 12:03 PM (ctrM5)
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Why are we allowing these massive companies to violate US labor and immigration laws?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
You shut your cornhole city boy - Charles Grassley
Why are we allowing these massive companies to violate US labor and immigration laws?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
You shut your cornhole city boy - Charles Grassley
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 12:03 PM (/U5Yz)
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As I posted in a previous thread, why can't we just go back to the old system, where the Mexican migrant workers would a work permit for the summer to come up here and pick fruits and vegetables, and then go back home in the fall? That seemed like a sensible system that worked, for everybody.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 12:03 PM (77rzZ)
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The International Brotherhood of Letteuce Pickers hardest hit.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 12:04 PM (i0WPY)
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I've never understood the mindset of horse racing thinking that made things "better"? If a horse is a thousand times better, let him flog the field!
Posted by: Crusader
The story of Seabiscuit IIRC...
Horseracing exists for betting, and I suppose it isn't good for business if one horse so dominates that nobody bets against him.
Posted by: Crusader
The story of Seabiscuit IIRC...
Horseracing exists for betting, and I suppose it isn't good for business if one horse so dominates that nobody bets against him.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 12:04 PM (Riz8t)
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The lack of political outrage over Epstein mirrors the lack of rage over the origins of Covid.
Every country that matters was essentially in on it.
Every country that matters was essentially in on it.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 08, 2025 12:04 PM (1GV/C)
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239 As I posted in a previous thread, why can't we just go back to the old system, where the Mexican migrant workers would a work permit for the summer to come up here and pick fruits and vegetables, and then go back home in the fall? That seemed like a sensible system that worked, for everybody.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 12:03 PM (77rzZ)
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That still exists.
But the farmers have to pay for housing for the migrant farmers. Cheaper to pay illegals under the table.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 12:03 PM (77rzZ)
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That still exists.
But the farmers have to pay for housing for the migrant farmers. Cheaper to pay illegals under the table.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 12:04 PM (GBKbO)
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She can't even spell it...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 11:58 AM (VE6XX)
I'd be surprised if she could spell *it*.
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But that twit from Utah who pretended to be a Republican voted to confirm her.
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 11:58 AM (VE6XX)
I'd be surprised if she could spell *it*.
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But that twit from Utah who pretended to be a Republican voted to confirm her.
Posted by: Crusader at July 08, 2025 12:05 PM (TN0g+)
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Given the blowback potential, my guess is titular foreign control or via deniable false flag assets like Steele (former foreign intel agents) running the day to day ops with everyone getting a cut of the info 'product'. During the WoT, US was getting feeds from Syrian and other 'hostile' nations just as Russia was giving the FBI info on creeps like the Boston bombers on the down low.
In the IC (and business for that matter), information is produced to be used and if sharing gets more information, then you share with others to get information that you want from them.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 12:01 PM (ctrM5)
Agreed completely. I saw your comment above about the JFK info and CIA using carve outs and contractors, and I agree 100%. The CIA is supposed to operate every op under "plausible deniability" that the US was involved as per their original charter.
And I imagine most other intel agencies in the world are, too. So they purposely obfuscate everything like a criminal organization would.
In the IC (and business for that matter), information is produced to be used and if sharing gets more information, then you share with others to get information that you want from them.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 12:01 PM (ctrM5)
Agreed completely. I saw your comment above about the JFK info and CIA using carve outs and contractors, and I agree 100%. The CIA is supposed to operate every op under "plausible deniability" that the US was involved as per their original charter.
And I imagine most other intel agencies in the world are, too. So they purposely obfuscate everything like a criminal organization would.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 12:05 PM (uCjyK)
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So apparently historical funding did not take into account maintenance of the ATC system.
Posted by: Oglebay at July 08, 2025 12:03 PM
Why should we maintain infrastructure when allowing it to fail catastrophically lets us thump our chests for votes and money?
Posted by: Oglebay at July 08, 2025 12:03 PM
Why should we maintain infrastructure when allowing it to fail catastrophically lets us thump our chests for votes and money?
Posted by: Politicians Everywhere at July 08, 2025 12:05 PM (kgE5c)
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Horseracing exists for betting, and I suppose it isn't good for business if one horse so dominates that nobody bets against him.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 12:04 PM (Riz8t)
Also if a horse were to dominate at the level the odds would not encourage betting on the horse either. No one wants to lay 100$ to win 1$.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 12:04 PM (Riz8t)
Also if a horse were to dominate at the level the odds would not encourage betting on the horse either. No one wants to lay 100$ to win 1$.
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 08, 2025 12:05 PM (MGB5H)
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Some types of ag are more labor intensive than others. I would guess that the labor intensive farms are smaller.
Posted by: Oglebay at July 08, 2025 12:06 PM (MMp6W)
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Has Antifa been declared an International Terrorist Organization yet?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 12:08 PM (i0WPY)
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239 That system worked just fine until the Hillbilly McCoys came out to California and hid Pepino in the barn on off season.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 08, 2025 12:08 PM (gm9Sb)
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In a couple of the cases involving Trump, the left is playing a silly game:
In the Iowa polling case, they're claiming the fed suit can't be dismissed (to be filed in state court) because of Trump's appeal.
In one of the immigration cases (I think), they're arguing the case can't be dismissed (due to the injunction ruling), also b/c it's on appeal
Technically, they are right, that the jurisdiction is with the appeal court.
But.
Now Trump is going to appeal this blatantly unconstitutional and outrageous Boston PP ruling.
And it's going to set some nasty precedent.
Against the left.
Which they can't avoid by dismissing the case if Trump appeals.
It's going to be a 9-0 SCOTUS ruling.
With 7 likely recommending the judge resign.
Because the clown judge's odor is so bad, a "you just gave our enemies everything they need to destroy all power of the courts."
In the Iowa polling case, they're claiming the fed suit can't be dismissed (to be filed in state court) because of Trump's appeal.
In one of the immigration cases (I think), they're arguing the case can't be dismissed (due to the injunction ruling), also b/c it's on appeal
Technically, they are right, that the jurisdiction is with the appeal court.
But.
Now Trump is going to appeal this blatantly unconstitutional and outrageous Boston PP ruling.
And it's going to set some nasty precedent.
Against the left.
Which they can't avoid by dismissing the case if Trump appeals.
It's going to be a 9-0 SCOTUS ruling.
With 7 likely recommending the judge resign.
Because the clown judge's odor is so bad, a "you just gave our enemies everything they need to destroy all power of the courts."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 08, 2025 12:08 PM (SLYtL)
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I think Bondi and Patel are gonna have to come out and say something...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 08, 2025 12:08 PM (VE6XX)
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239 As I posted in a previous thread, why can't we just go back to the old system, where the Mexican migrant workers would a work permit for the summer to come up here and pick fruits and vegetables, and then go back home in the fall? That seemed like a sensible system that worked, for everybody.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 12:03 PM (77rzZ)
Because the whole need for massive amounts of labor on farms in 2025 is a bit of a lie. On the mega farms that provide the vast majority of food in this country, pretty much everything is done by heavy equipment. And the people operating those multi million dollar harvesters should be and are paid fairly well. It's not menial manual labor.
The factory-like meat processing still needs a lot of people, but, again, why are we allowing companies to violate labor laws and minimum wage laws and everything else by hiring illegals to do those jobs? If it costs more money to hire american citizens to do those jobs, I'll gladly pay the slight increase in the cost of beef.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 12:03 PM (77rzZ)
Because the whole need for massive amounts of labor on farms in 2025 is a bit of a lie. On the mega farms that provide the vast majority of food in this country, pretty much everything is done by heavy equipment. And the people operating those multi million dollar harvesters should be and are paid fairly well. It's not menial manual labor.
The factory-like meat processing still needs a lot of people, but, again, why are we allowing companies to violate labor laws and minimum wage laws and everything else by hiring illegals to do those jobs? If it costs more money to hire american citizens to do those jobs, I'll gladly pay the slight increase in the cost of beef.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 12:08 PM (uCjyK)
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That sounds like a recipe for disaster. Consistent regulation across the 50 states makes perfect sense for some things, and air traffic is one of those things.
Disagree. Europe manages air traffic just fine across scores of cheek-by-jowl nations, each with their own separate language, history, legal system, culture, mores and, until recently, their own currencies. Is/was European air traffic notoriously disastrous?
Disagree. Europe manages air traffic just fine across scores of cheek-by-jowl nations, each with their own separate language, history, legal system, culture, mores and, until recently, their own currencies. Is/was European air traffic notoriously disastrous?
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at July 08, 2025 12:08 PM (bufu1)
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We're talking about mega corporations with massive amounts of automation, using many millions of dollars of heavy equipment to farm. And those skilled equipment operator jobs, as well as the more manual labor jobs, are going to illegal immigrants.
Why are we allowing these massive companies to violate US labor and immigration laws?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
Vice versa. Most of the illegals employed are not doing sophisticated work. They are cheap grunt work in areas with very thin labor markets. If you have been in areas with massive row crop farms--wheat, cotton, rice, etc., mechanization rather than hiring flocks of illegals is the thing. Precision leveled land, self driving tractors using GPS, truly massive combines/harvesters worth close to a million bucks, and so on. Sprayers, etc. for chemical application. It ain't illegals handling those. In some cases, farmers actually hire out crews going from state to state that harvest their crops due to the cost of maintenance/capital goods to do it.
Even rice farms, which are more labor intensive versus regular row crop farming, I don't see many illegals hired. The illegals are mainly in processing and produce farms.
Why are we allowing these massive companies to violate US labor and immigration laws?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
Vice versa. Most of the illegals employed are not doing sophisticated work. They are cheap grunt work in areas with very thin labor markets. If you have been in areas with massive row crop farms--wheat, cotton, rice, etc., mechanization rather than hiring flocks of illegals is the thing. Precision leveled land, self driving tractors using GPS, truly massive combines/harvesters worth close to a million bucks, and so on. Sprayers, etc. for chemical application. It ain't illegals handling those. In some cases, farmers actually hire out crews going from state to state that harvest their crops due to the cost of maintenance/capital goods to do it.
Even rice farms, which are more labor intensive versus regular row crop farming, I don't see many illegals hired. The illegals are mainly in processing and produce farms.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 12:08 PM (ctrM5)
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The internet is aflame because of the lack Epstein transparency and the outright lying the susceptibility of large numbers of people to psychological manipulation.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 08, 2025 12:09 PM (ExV1e)
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Some types of ag are more labor intensive than others. I would guess that the labor intensive farms are smaller.
Posted by: Oglebay
Strawberry farms near Camarillo have entered the chat.
Posted by: Oglebay
Strawberry farms near Camarillo have entered the chat.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 08, 2025 12:09 PM (+3/DM)
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That they permitted Andrew to associate with Epstein without warning him off indicates something about control here.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 11:52 AM (ctrM5)
I just started another binge-watch of Slow Horses, and the 1st season is all about the evil far-right, at least until it turns out that the terrorist incident they're working is a false-flag op by MI5 where they are framing a right-wing MP who will destroy civil liberties... because if he makes his way to Downing Street, he will destroy civil liberties. And the good guys are breaking up the frame job not because they're protecting the far-right MP's civil liberties, but because the frame job involves kidnapping an "Asian" man and threatening to chop his head off.
The later seasons are more realistic as they deal with actual mohammedan asshole savages.
That they permitted Andrew to associate with Epstein without warning him off indicates something about control here.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 11:52 AM (ctrM5)
I just started another binge-watch of Slow Horses, and the 1st season is all about the evil far-right, at least until it turns out that the terrorist incident they're working is a false-flag op by MI5 where they are framing a right-wing MP who will destroy civil liberties... because if he makes his way to Downing Street, he will destroy civil liberties. And the good guys are breaking up the frame job not because they're protecting the far-right MP's civil liberties, but because the frame job involves kidnapping an "Asian" man and threatening to chop his head off.
The later seasons are more realistic as they deal with actual mohammedan asshole savages.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 08, 2025 12:09 PM (y9nCu)
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The sport of Kings is hockey
Posted by: Don Black. Message: pending at July 08, 2025 11:49 AM (AOsQT)
Diddly Twinks. -- Chuck the Third
Posted by: Don Black. Message: pending at July 08, 2025 11:49 AM (AOsQT)
Diddly Twinks. -- Chuck the Third
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 08, 2025 12:09 PM (ExV1e)
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I bet the dumb fuks took their regular phones while crime - ing.
Posted by: Dreamingrobot at July 08, 2025 12:10 PM (uUx9n)
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But the farmers have to pay for housing for the migrant farmers. Cheaper to pay illegals under the table.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
That housing was usually pretty crappy, but probably no worse than what they had in Mexico.
But I see your point.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
That housing was usually pretty crappy, but probably no worse than what they had in Mexico.
But I see your point.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 12:10 PM (77rzZ)
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Some types of ag are more labor intensive than others. I would guess that the labor intensive farms are smaller.
Posted by: Oglebay at July 08, 2025 12:06 PM (MMp6W)
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Table grapes are very labor intensive. I worked for a large corporate farm back when. I have stories.
For instance, it was a given the guy who ran the food truck also made bank supplying phony ID's for the workers.
Posted by: Oglebay at July 08, 2025 12:06 PM (MMp6W)
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Table grapes are very labor intensive. I worked for a large corporate farm back when. I have stories.
For instance, it was a given the guy who ran the food truck also made bank supplying phony ID's for the workers.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 08, 2025 12:11 PM (tT6L1)
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Because the clown judge's odor is so bad, a "you just gave our enemies everything they need to destroy all power of the courts."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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Start watching for Scotus to use GVRs--grant the writ of cert, vacate the lower court ruling, and remand to that lower court (or even another judge in that court) for disposition of the case.
GVRs were often used to dispose of a case with no real legal basis for the lower court's decision.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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Start watching for Scotus to use GVRs--grant the writ of cert, vacate the lower court ruling, and remand to that lower court (or even another judge in that court) for disposition of the case.
GVRs were often used to dispose of a case with no real legal basis for the lower court's decision.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 12:11 PM (ctrM5)
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243 That still exists.
But the farmers have to pay for housing for the migrant farmers. Cheaper to pay illegals under the table.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 12:04 PM (GBKbO)
It is interesting, a lot of the farms in VA and here have migrant housing. It’s rows and rows of nothing great. Think single story motels. Old motels. Scary motels. I would guess the bigger farms in all the states have these on their properties.
But the farmers have to pay for housing for the migrant farmers. Cheaper to pay illegals under the table.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 08, 2025 12:04 PM (GBKbO)
It is interesting, a lot of the farms in VA and here have migrant housing. It’s rows and rows of nothing great. Think single story motels. Old motels. Scary motels. I would guess the bigger farms in all the states have these on their properties.
Posted by: Piper at July 08, 2025 12:11 PM (pZEOD)
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248 Some types of ag are more labor intensive than others. I would guess that the labor intensive farms are smaller.
Posted by: Oglebay at July 08, 2025 12:06 PM (MMp6W)
Yeah, harvesting grapes for expensive wine is still done by hand in some places, some nuts need to be harvested by hand, but, again, that shouldn't give napa valley wine producers an excuse to violate immigration and employment laws.
Either buy the tree shaker or other harvesting machines or pay american citizens to do the work.
And, fine, why are we stopping at farms then? How many hotels have illegal immigrants cleaning the rooms? How many landscaping companies, construction companies, etc. etc. rely on illegals? Why are farms getting some kind of "break the law with impunity" card here?
Posted by: Oglebay at July 08, 2025 12:06 PM (MMp6W)
Yeah, harvesting grapes for expensive wine is still done by hand in some places, some nuts need to be harvested by hand, but, again, that shouldn't give napa valley wine producers an excuse to violate immigration and employment laws.
Either buy the tree shaker or other harvesting machines or pay american citizens to do the work.
And, fine, why are we stopping at farms then? How many hotels have illegal immigrants cleaning the rooms? How many landscaping companies, construction companies, etc. etc. rely on illegals? Why are farms getting some kind of "break the law with impunity" card here?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 12:11 PM (uCjyK)
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2025 12:12 PM (/U5Yz)
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That housing was usually pretty crappy, but probably no worse than what they had in Mexico.
But I see your point.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 12:10 PM (77rzZ)
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The workers tear apart the housing every harvest and the farmers repair the housing in the off season. After so many repairs, one just does the minimum to meet code.
But I see your point.
Posted by: Bulg at July 08, 2025 12:10 PM (77rzZ)
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The workers tear apart the housing every harvest and the farmers repair the housing in the off season. After so many repairs, one just does the minimum to meet code.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 08, 2025 12:12 PM (tT6L1)
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Because the clown judge's odor is so bad, a "you just gave our enemies everything they need to destroy all power of the courts."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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Start watching for Scotus to use GVRs--grant the writ of cert, vacate the lower court ruling, and remand to that lower court (or even another judge in that court) for disposition of the case.
GVRs were often used to dispose of a case with no real legal basis for the lower court's decision.
I believe GVR is Latin for "get a load of this a***ole".
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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Start watching for Scotus to use GVRs--grant the writ of cert, vacate the lower court ruling, and remand to that lower court (or even another judge in that court) for disposition of the case.
GVRs were often used to dispose of a case with no real legal basis for the lower court's decision.
I believe GVR is Latin for "get a load of this a***ole".
Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2025 12:13 PM (Riz8t)
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Pickle Ball?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 08, 2025 12:13 PM (i0WPY)
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Nood. Btw.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 08, 2025 12:13 PM (bss/y)
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My wild guess is that agriculture might have some political connections.
Posted by: Oglebay at July 08, 2025 12:13 PM (MMp6W)
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Even rice farms, which are more labor intensive versus regular row crop farming, I don't see many illegals hired. The illegals are mainly in processing and produce farms.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 12:08 PM (ctrM5)
My point is that I don't think there are that many illegals working in agriculture, and that automation has taken over most jobs on farms, as the farming industry has consolidated so much in the last several decades. There are mega farms, then truly small farms. The middle-sized farms are dying out. At least in the Northeast.
For truly small farms, selling at farmers markets (of which I've had several as clients over the years), I haven't seen many that hire illegals. It's usually a family business, and to the extent they hire outside labor, it's locals.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 12:08 PM (ctrM5)
My point is that I don't think there are that many illegals working in agriculture, and that automation has taken over most jobs on farms, as the farming industry has consolidated so much in the last several decades. There are mega farms, then truly small farms. The middle-sized farms are dying out. At least in the Northeast.
For truly small farms, selling at farmers markets (of which I've had several as clients over the years), I haven't seen many that hire illegals. It's usually a family business, and to the extent they hire outside labor, it's locals.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 08, 2025 12:14 PM (uCjyK)
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Disagree. Europe manages air traffic just fine across scores of cheek-by-jowl nations, each with their own separate language, history, legal system, culture, mores and, until recently, their own currencies. Is/was European air traffic notoriously disastrous?
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at July 08, 2025 12:08 PM (bufu1)
Point taken - but the US is not Europe.
Put simply... would you fly into Californian or Coloradan airspace knowing how those States are run?
I'm not saying you're wrong, but with the understanding that some of America's busiest airports would be off the flight paths for most airlines in pretty short order after 5K% increase in annual ATC mishaps.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at July 08, 2025 12:08 PM (bufu1)
Point taken - but the US is not Europe.
Put simply... would you fly into Californian or Coloradan airspace knowing how those States are run?
I'm not saying you're wrong, but with the understanding that some of America's busiest airports would be off the flight paths for most airlines in pretty short order after 5K% increase in annual ATC mishaps.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 08, 2025 12:15 PM (BI5O2)
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The later seasons are more realistic as they deal with actual mohammedan asshole savages.
I just saw that the BBC is airing a reenactment of the Battle of Hastings in 1066 where everyone is black. It's not even diversity at this point, it's just a fetish.
I just saw that the BBC is airing a reenactment of the Battle of Hastings in 1066 where everyone is black. It's not even diversity at this point, it's just a fetish.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 08, 2025 12:17 PM (2ocoG)
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So apparently historical funding did not take into account maintenance of the ATC system.
Posted by: Oglebay at July 08, 2025 12:03 PM (MMp6W)
But that would cut into increased funding for the pension fund.
So apparently historical funding did not take into account maintenance of the ATC system.
Posted by: Oglebay at July 08, 2025 12:03 PM (MMp6W)
But that would cut into increased funding for the pension fund.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 08, 2025 12:17 PM (y9nCu)
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Why are farms getting some kind of "break the law with impunity" card here?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Not being argumentative - I had uncles who were truck-crop farmers. Their migrant workers were legal, and there were inspections. Granted, this was the 70s. Uncles knew that keeping the same crew year over year was good business.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Not being argumentative - I had uncles who were truck-crop farmers. Their migrant workers were legal, and there were inspections. Granted, this was the 70s. Uncles knew that keeping the same crew year over year was good business.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at July 08, 2025 12:17 PM (xlJXC)
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I just started another binge-watch of Slow Horses, and the 1st season is all about the evil far-right, at least until it turns out that the terrorist incident they're working is a false-flag op by MI5 where they are framing a right-wing MP who will destroy civil liberties... because if he makes his way to Downing Street, he will destroy civil liberties. And the good guys are breaking up the frame job not because they're protecting the far-right MP's civil liberties, but because the frame job involves kidnapping an "Asian" man and threatening to chop his head off.
The later seasons are more realistic as they deal with actual mohammedan asshole savages.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur
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The murky world of IC is better found in seeming unrelated cop shows. New Tricks, for example, Series 8, episode 7, the Gentleman Vanishes is a an example with a later Series 9, episode 9 example. Basically, like PigPen from Charlie Brown, an entire disreputable cloud of 'assets' float around intel (or even law enforcement like the FBI) that do things for those organizations that the organizations fear to do themselves for risk of prions and disrepute. In that world, information flows are gold.
The later seasons are more realistic as they deal with actual mohammedan asshole savages.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur
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The murky world of IC is better found in seeming unrelated cop shows. New Tricks, for example, Series 8, episode 7, the Gentleman Vanishes is a an example with a later Series 9, episode 9 example. Basically, like PigPen from Charlie Brown, an entire disreputable cloud of 'assets' float around intel (or even law enforcement like the FBI) that do things for those organizations that the organizations fear to do themselves for risk of prions and disrepute. In that world, information flows are gold.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 12:19 PM (ctrM5)
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For truly small farms, selling at farmers markets (of which I've had several as clients over the years), I haven't seen many that hire illegals. It's usually a family business, and to the extent they hire outside labor, it's locals.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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I misunderstood your post. My apologies. I think though that the illegals and/or refugees are mainly in food processing plants in rural areas and this displaces natives from those jobs. One Nebraska rural town overruled its local officials and forced a food processing plant to go elsewhere as the locals did not want the plant to bring in illegals/refugees that would inevitably come with the plant.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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I misunderstood your post. My apologies. I think though that the illegals and/or refugees are mainly in food processing plants in rural areas and this displaces natives from those jobs. One Nebraska rural town overruled its local officials and forced a food processing plant to go elsewhere as the locals did not want the plant to bring in illegals/refugees that would inevitably come with the plant.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2025 12:22 PM (ctrM5)
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My guess who Epstein worked for? 5 eyes + Mossad. UK seems particularly involved. It’s now being covered up because it implicates the IC of all involved nations with reviled crimes.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at July 08, 2025 12:22 PM (ZVgZ4)
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The Navy finally got rid of paper service records in 2010, the switch took almost 20 years to happen.
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That's weird, the Chinese have every serviceman's personal information. How did that happen?
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That's weird, the Chinese have every serviceman's personal information. How did that happen?
Posted by: Department of Defense at July 08, 2025 12:41 PM (p8Vbq)
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The Leviathan is way to large and Trump knows it, especially the attachment of congress to globalist corporations.
He is doing what he did in term 1:
- Expand cheap energy production which is key
- Deregulate
- Control immigration
- Tighten the money supply(despite our favorite lawyer Jerome Powell). I still cannot believe a douchy failed lawyer is controlling our money supply.
Once federal courts can no longer "To Delay is to Deny"... it is all he can do and those four things are most important.
He is doing what he did in term 1:
- Expand cheap energy production which is key
- Deregulate
- Control immigration
- Tighten the money supply(despite our favorite lawyer Jerome Powell). I still cannot believe a douchy failed lawyer is controlling our money supply.
Once federal courts can no longer "To Delay is to Deny"... it is all he can do and those four things are most important.
Posted by: Danimal28 at July 08, 2025 02:41 PM (1E4GV)
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Mayor Pete fixed it all. No more racist tunnels in the sky.
Posted by: Beaver at July 08, 2025 03:57 PM (KVlfh)
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The biggest problem with tech like this is often the desire to do something new and advanced. Because people are so focused on the 'new' and 'hi-tech' parts they get stuck in troubleshooting problems (bugs, defects) in making the generic 'new' do what they want it to do in a specialized niche. And they spend years and big bucks trying again and again to force that square peg into the round hole. When they could have just said "Let's rewrite the same dang thing but with modern code. Then we can go from there."
Posted by: GWB at July 08, 2025 04:53 PM (csaWj)
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