Gun Thread: End O' June Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving Hell did it get to be the End O' June Edition? Have you been enjoying the heatwave on the east coast this week? What are you doing to stay cool? Has it affected your ability to go to the range and shoot?

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals

You know what I am going to say. Are you an adherent of WeaselDoctrine?

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Persian Mauser

Now this is cool beans! Our pal The Walking Dude shares his Persian Mauser!

With Iran in the news Here are some pix of my 8mm 98/29 Persian (Iranian) Mauser in the white (or unblued) and ammo I got from Samco decades ago. The bore is pristine and the rifle looks unissued. These rifles were from the Shah's days when the soldiers would wear white gloves and march up and down the square with them. They were made by BRNO in Czechoslovakia and are renowned for their accuracy. The lettering is all in Persian (Farsi) and this one I'm told translates to Persian year of manufacture 1317, which is 1938 in our years. The story I heard on the lack of bluing is SAMCO tried cleaning them with an aggressive solvent and it removed the bluing.
I bought a crate of ammo with it too. All were FTF's and hang-fires, so I saved the components for reloading as the brass and projectiles were salvageable.

Click here for more information on the Persian Mauser

Very nice The Walking Dude! Appreciate your sending this for us all to enjoy!

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Colt Madness! The Model 601 and 639 and 723

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Navigating the Non-Permissive Environment
Massad Ayoob, the NPE, and you.

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Dry Firing
Bueno or no bueno?

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Our Pal Oil

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Really, Really Old Ammo

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Highway Patrol!
This week's episode: Police Woman!

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Invasion Of The Saucer Men!

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Musical Interlude
Jeff Healy with Roadhouse Blues

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
American Elite Ammo NEW!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Someone with close tags needs to show up.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at June 29, 2025 07:01 PM (2NHgQ)

2 Bang.

Posted by: RI Red at June 29, 2025 07:01 PM (vY9Lp)

3 Off to the content.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 29, 2025 07:02 PM (e5NfL)

4 Are you an adherent of WeaselDoctrine?

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Yes. Yes, I am.

Posted by: TRex at June 29, 2025 07:03 PM (IQ6Gq)

5
What's going on in Idaho?

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 29, 2025 07:05 PM (TvGOK)

6 Yay! Gubs!

Gorgeous Mauser.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 29, 2025 07:05 PM (Wnv9h)

7 Good afternoon/evening, depending on your time zone.

Thanks again for the gun thread, Weasel!

Walking Dude, the Persian Mauser is outstanding, Thanks for sharing.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 29, 2025 07:06 PM (tT6L1)

8 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at June 29, 2025 07:07 PM (BCwQW)

9 I'm here!!!!

No range report. Just looking at rifles and scopes and planning on when to pull the proverbial trigger on purchasing.

The rifle I am looking at is a Tikka T3x TACT A1.
One thing I would like to find out is if I buy a RH rifle, can I move the cheek piece to the other side of the stock as I prefer to shoot as a lefty as I am left eye dominant.
Things to research

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 29, 2025 07:09 PM (0XVad)

10 CNN has the Idaho thing. Not much is known yet.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 07:09 PM (gRq6J)

11
Ugly situation in Idaho.
AMBUSH!

"Multiple shootings"

"This fire was intentionally set to draw us in."

Posted by: Soothsayer at June 29, 2025 07:10 PM (yYX2H)

12 Gunthusiasm, do you have it? Of course you do because you are here.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 29, 2025 07:10 PM (HFcKg)

13 Hi I'm a knuckles and knife guy. Being born in Camden NJ where even 22 longs were outlawed I gravitated to bow hunting and bar room knock outs.
Hey don't knock it the week after you knocked out the bad guy you got a hero's welcome walking into the bar. I miss those days

Posted by: Captain Fantastic at June 29, 2025 07:11 PM (6Irx1)

14 Just watched "Zulu" on UToob this week (it's still there).

Speaking of Martini-Henry rifles! Internet Firearms Movie Database has this:

https://tinyurl.com/3s83bzua

Interesting about the production's substitution of Martini-Enfield conversions used in some scenes.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 07:11 PM (1m82a)

15 Walking Dude, that is a very NICE Mauser you have.

Not counting the FTF or hang fires, how was shooting it?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 29, 2025 07:12 PM (0XVad)

16 Thanks, Weasel.
Won't be commenting tonight, as the a/c is out at home, and spending the night in a hotel. Don't have the normal computer.

Posted by: GWB at June 29, 2025 07:12 PM (osSSI)

17 Do not go to DM and read the comments on the Couer d’Alene shootings. Absolutely hateful commentary.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at June 29, 2025 07:13 PM (2NHgQ)

18 Idaho looks like it happened in Suburbia. Street with curbs and houses and many powerlines.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 07:13 PM (gRq6J)

19 I guarantee you, firing 130+ year old ammo is not on my bucket list.

Cool to watch as other people do such, though.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 29, 2025 07:15 PM (tT6L1)

20 Gnab

Posted by: Eromero at June 29, 2025 07:15 PM (xufto)

21 Weasel-san, have you used all the cigar reviews I've sent? Thinking there might be one in the can on your end, if you wanted to use it. However I have to check. More incoming soon, in any case.

Just finished an El Rey del Mundo Oscuro - "robusto grande", basically a beefy churchill, much bigger than my usual - and it was good. Just their venerable main offering in a huge vitola, I think.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 07:15 PM (1m82a)

22 Couer d’Alene is a lake community in a hilly area of ID. The shootings may be right on the edge of one of the residential areas.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at June 29, 2025 07:16 PM (2NHgQ)

23 Thunderstorm is a-rattling the windows.
Beautiful 98/29; I do love me some Mausers! Thinking about taking my DWM 98K to the farm next week and shooting it if I can find some decent priced 7.92X57 ammo.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at June 29, 2025 07:17 PM (89bOZ)

24 Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 07:15 PM (1m82a)
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Pretty sure I have at least one. Thanks

Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 07:18 PM (fz7Mb)

25 My oldest ammo is Soviet and Romanian 54R, 80s production. Still in the spam can, stored decently. Have never had a dud/misfire/anything with all the sovbloc surplus I've shot over the years, not a one.

My old lead RSO at the range gave me a small number of yellow-tip (182g, "heavy ball") a few years back. First couple rounds were .... weird. Click (trigger pull), small but detectable pause - boom. After 3 rounds I decided to disassemble them and use the bullets some day when I reload 54R, if I ever do.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 07:19 PM (1m82a)

26 Had a very angry rattlesnake on the porch the other day.

Now I own a very flat shovel, and I have some .22 LR snake shot shells on the way. Should be good in the S&W Airweight revolver, as long as I'm willing to get it within 3-4 feet of the head, which is apparently the effective distance of that cartridge.

And here I thought that revolver was going to be useless to me, because I don't really enjoy shooting it.

Posted by: Splunge at June 29, 2025 07:19 PM (ju/6W)

27 Couer d’Alene is one of the places where citizens turned out armed and lined the streets when Antifa came to town.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 29, 2025 07:19 PM (xeBZM)

28 Weasel, no report on your special MoMe cigar?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 29, 2025 07:19 PM (HFcKg)

29 28 Weasel, no report on your special MoMe cigar?
Posted by: Ben Had at June 29, 2025 07:19 PM (HFcKg)
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Haven't smoked it yet. Didn't know you were in on that!

Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 07:20 PM (fz7Mb)

30 This is weird. I am on the Tikka website and looking 2 rifles that are absolutely the same except for the weight.
One is 10.4 lbs the other is 9.9 lbs.

Trying to figure out where they took a half a pound off of the other rifle. Strange.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 29, 2025 07:21 PM (0XVad)

31 Are you an adherent of WeaselDoctrine?

To be honest, no.

I think a 42mm limit on watch case size is arbitrary and capricious.

And while I can appreciate the philosophy behind 2 minutes or less from prep initiation to beginning consumption, that should be more of a guideline, rather than doctrine.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 29, 2025 07:22 PM (0sNs1)

32 And with that, range report: Silhouette version.

Yesterday, I took the 6.5-06 out for its first silhouette competition. Due to being extremely busy, I had no time to work out some dope for the various distances. Plus, the competition had been moved from the 500 meter range to the 1,000 yard range and distances increased by about 50 yards per row of targets.

Anyway, I decided to go with a "shoot one sighter and work from there" scenario, figuring I was going into the match without much information and would have to make it up on the fly. @300 yards, it took me until the 2nd to last target to get the scope correctly adjusted. Which I noted in my log book after we were done.

From there, I was perfect on the pigs @ 400 yards and the turkeys @ 500 yards. Alas, the pigs @ 600 yards had my number and I only got the last one. Still though, not dissatisfied with my efforts, considering new rifle and ammunition.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 29, 2025 07:22 PM (tT6L1)

33 Weasel, only that I knew it was happening.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 29, 2025 07:23 PM (HFcKg)

34 Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 29, 2025 07:22 PM (0sNs1)
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Well then you get an F -.

Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 07:23 PM (fz7Mb)

35 Thanks for putting out the gun thread every week, Weasel. I almost never comment by I always read it.

At the risk of being anti-conservative, I think we could probably dispense with the alarmist ammo purchase notification. Buying ammo is probably always good, and the links should stay, but we are past that crisis point of a few years back

Posted by: .87c at June 29, 2025 07:24 PM (MbAOz)

36 It is claimed they even fired on law enforcement.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 07:24 PM (gRq6J)

37 32 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 29, 2025 07:22 PM

Sounds like you had a good day. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 29, 2025 07:24 PM (0XVad)

38 Well then you get an F -.
Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 07:23 PM

Is that going to affect my semi-annual Commenter Evaluation that's closing tomorrow?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 29, 2025 07:25 PM (0sNs1)

39 Posted by: Ben Had at June 29, 2025 07:23 PM (HFcKg)
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Ahhh...

Well Grateful and TRex gave me a very nice cigar and some other treats as a retirement gift at the NoVAMoMe. Very much appreciated and I will have a cigar review coming up!

Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 07:26 PM (Jtz/H)

40 Howdy Weasel! And howdy to the rest of you gun nuts, too!

Posted by: Doof at June 29, 2025 07:27 PM (gpbGF)

41 A year or more ago I commented here about some 1941 commercial 45ACP ammo I had been gifted at the range. April 1941 stamped on the box - sent a photo of the box in, Weasel put it on the thread, a few people translated the odd terms on it into current usage.

Anyway, schutzengild guy at the range - quite the expert on older guns and ammo - opined that the primer compound had degraded, as the formulation back then had limited shelf life. All rounds tried in my and the ammo owner's 1911s were duds.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 07:27 PM (1m82a)

42 Backup is coming all the way from Spokane.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 07:27 PM (gRq6J)

43 Is that going to affect my semi-annual Commenter Evaluation that's closing tomorrow?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 29, 2025 07:25 PM (0sNs1)
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Permanent Record notation.

Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 07:27 PM (Jtz/H)

44 Anyone else think the audio on the Ayoob video was off? Like he was in a concrete room with the mix across said room.

Ok, not commenting much.

Posted by: GWB at June 29, 2025 07:28 PM (osSSI)

45 My favorite targets consist of squirrels, doves and feral hogs. Practice is limited to availability.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 29, 2025 07:28 PM (HFcKg)

46 Posted by: .87c at June 29, 2025 07:24 PM (MbAOz)
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Thanks for the suggestion!

Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 07:29 PM (Jtz/H)

47 39 Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 07:26 PM

Sorry I missed you and the others at the NoVaMoMe. Helluva of a time to catch the effing flu. Had to call up early Friday morning to cancel the hotel reservation.

Hope you and the others had fun!!!

And enjoy the retirement!!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 29, 2025 07:29 PM (0XVad)

48 Took the Walther PPK/S SD in .32 ACP to the range this weekend. At 7 yards, the pistol shoots to the sights. I added a 9mm suppressor and the point of impact appeared to shift high and left. Is this shift in point of impact consistent with most suppressors? Caveat: the suppressor blocks the sights, so aiming with the suppressor attached is approximate.

Posted by: Ed L at June 29, 2025 07:29 PM (BCwQW)

49 Permanent Record notation.
Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 07:27 PM

* kicks rock *

Now people won't talk to me at the TxMoMe, and Ben Had could revoke my all-access Horse Trailer pass.

* kicks rock again *

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 29, 2025 07:30 PM (0sNs1)

50 RANGE REPORT!
Aspirin Shoot.

I have shamed my forefathers.
We were all outshot by a 10 year old male child. With a CZ 457.

And my shit was particularly wobbly.

Posted by: RI Red at June 29, 2025 07:30 PM (tez/p)

51 Posted by: RI Red at June 29, 2025 07:30 PM (tez/p)
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Uh oh.

Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 07:30 PM (Jtz/H)

52 Ok. I usually enjoy listening to Mas Ayoob. He just pissed me off greatly.

I work in healthcare. I would be fired without a chance to defend myself if I got caught bringing a firearm on campus. Wtf am I supposed to do?

Plus. This happened.

Went to the range yesterday. There were three antifa trannys there. I was creeped out and my danger meter was off the charts. They were all wearing masks and one was at the line wearing a full gas mask. As if they were preparing for something. It didn’t even seem, to me, like the RSOs even noticed them. I was seriously uncomfortable.

This may be enough to keep me out of there for a bit.

I am glad MAE and LazyMessenger were there with me.

Jeepers.

And before you keyboard commandos puff OUT your chests and put your thumbs in your belt loops, spit your tobacco and guffaw, YOU WOULDNT DO ANYTHING.

so, give me some reasonable alternatives.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 29, 2025 07:30 PM (+xP4Z)

53 50 And my shit was particularly wobbly.

Posted by: RI Red at June 29, 2025 07:30 PM

:-(

Wobbly shit is not tolerated by Weasel-san.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 29, 2025 07:31 PM (0XVad)

54 No Crane?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 07:32 PM (gRq6J)

55 Duncanthrax, you have honored status.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 29, 2025 07:32 PM (HFcKg)

56 Splunge I typically carry a revolver and bring a speed loader of snake load starting this time of year at the range where I'm an RO. On-duty ROs are allowed to carry and I usually have a semi-auto most of the year.

There is a very strong preference to shoo/transport rattlers back into the chaparral when feasible (range is carved out of undeveloped land, snakes are not uncommon).

Your comment made me think that instead of carrying my nice little Colt Magnum Carry (2-inch barrel) I'll bring the S&W Model 66 (4-inch barrel). In the unlikely event of a snake shoot, that revolver should allow a bit more stand-off range.

Anyone familiar with the "pattern" for the CCI snake load shells? 38psl in particular.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 07:34 PM (1m82a)

57 Massad Ayoob: What to do when you can't carry

Move, or accept your fate and enjoy chains.

Chances are if they are criminalizing your Right to Self Defense, they are also criminalizing other behavior and activities that a Revolutionary War was fought over.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 29, 2025 07:34 PM (a4flb)

58 Went to the range yesterday. There were three antifa trannys there. I was creeped out and my danger meter was off the charts. They were all wearing masks and one was at the line wearing a full gas mask. As if they were preparing for something. It didn’t even seem, to me, like the RSOs even noticed them. I was seriously uncomfortable.

This may be enough to keep me out of there for a bit.

I am glad MAE and LazyMessenger were there with me.

Jeepers.

And before you keyboard commandos puff OUT your chests and put your thumbs in your belt loops, spit your tobacco and guffaw, YOU WOULDNT DO ANYTHING.

so, give me some reasonable alternatives.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 29, 2025 07:30 PM (+xP4Z)
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July 4 is supposed to be another "No Kings" protest. You were spot on to be seriously creeped out. I'm glad you had backup because that's not something I'd like to walk into by myself and, in fact, had I walked in by myself and seen masked up masquerading men, I'd have turned and left.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 29, 2025 07:34 PM (tT6L1)

59 52 so, give me some reasonable alternatives.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 29, 2025 07:30 PM

I would not have done anything but be doubly aware of the actions of that particular group.

Do not have anything to offer but staying vigilant at that range when certain folk are there.
What is next nearest range? To far? To expensive?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 29, 2025 07:35 PM (0XVad)

60 nurse, leave. Your instincts are good.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 29, 2025 07:35 PM (HFcKg)

61 nurse, members of the John Brown Gun Club or whatever they call it? Saw something about the Puget area chapter of that outfit somewhere yesterday.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 07:35 PM (1m82a)

62 I have shamed my forefathers.
We were all outshot by a 10 year old male child. With a CZ 457.

And my shit was particularly wobbly.
Posted by: RI Red at June 29, 2025 07:30 PM (tez/p)

10-year-old eyes are better than 29-year-old eyes. Every time.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at June 29, 2025 07:36 PM (89bOZ)

63 Sounds like you had a good day. :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 29, 2025 07:24 PM (0XVad)
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Actually, yes I did. The new rifle appears to be extremely accurate and easy to shoot.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 29, 2025 07:38 PM (tT6L1)

64 I would have taken a picture of their car license plate.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 29, 2025 07:38 PM (HFcKg)

65 SOB Van Owen, yes, allof us with 29 year old silver hair were remarking about every shooter having glasses, hearing aids or both.
But when he went 10 for 10 on the 150 yd know your limits steel, we all gave him a round of applause.

Posted by: RI Red at June 29, 2025 07:40 PM (tez/p)

66 Duncanthrax, you have honored status.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 29, 2025 07:32 PM

Well, thank you, but no one has ever suffered the ignominy of an F- from Weasel before.

It's worse than accumulating two or three Fourth Shots in a lifetime.

* wails inconsolably. *

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 29, 2025 07:41 PM (0sNs1)

67 Good evening gubthreaders and al lthe ships at sea!

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 29, 2025 07:41 PM (UpwUi)

68 nurse the smart move in any situation where idiots/whatever are a danger that you can't control or mitigate is to ..... leave. Even if people are just annoying or somehow ruining an experience, I leave.

Could be guns, could be something else. I used to leave the last indoor range I belonged to when guys brought in .338s or 300WinMags or something - just for discomfort and hearing damage reasons.

In all my years as an RO I haven't had to do more than a few friendly educational interventions with newbies about muzzle discipline and direction, always received positively.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 07:41 PM (1m82a)

69 But when he went 10 for 10 on the 150 yd know your limits steel, we all gave him a round of applause.
Posted by: RI Red at June 29, 2025 07:40 PM (tez/p)
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Great story and always fun when a new young shooter gets the job done.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 29, 2025 07:41 PM (tT6L1)

70

Independence Day and Thanksgiving are my favorite holidays. I have had a bad feeling about Independence Day this year.

Make sure if you are out and about in crowds you are armed.

The haters would love to cause mayhem on the 4th.

Posted by: four seasons at June 29, 2025 07:41 PM (3ek7K)

71 65 Posted by: RI Red at June 29, 2025 07:40 PM

Sounds like a male version of Spawn of Lin-duh in the making.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 29, 2025 07:42 PM (0XVad)

72 Howdy Weasel! And howdy to the rest of you gun nuts, too!
Posted by: Doof at June 29, 2025 07:27 PM

'Sup, Doof?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 29, 2025 07:42 PM (Wnv9h)

73 would have taken a picture of their car license plate.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 29, 2025 07:38 PM (HFcKg)

Good call, Ms. Had. I forget what pinged my radar last year, but I popped off a camera shot at a car that was acting pretty wierd.
And that’s saying something, what with our Vermont neighbors up here.

Posted by: RI Red at June 29, 2025 07:43 PM (tez/p)

74 Ben Had,
I had my eyes open and knew I had backup.

I also learned something about my shooting. When I am distracted and under REAL stress, I shoot left. Not a lot. But slightly left.

Dude next to me had a full gas mask on. His face covered. And he/she/it was a shiity shot, even at 3 yards. And they got paranoid when I backed up to observe.

Freaky af

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 29, 2025 07:43 PM (mT+6a)

75 Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 29, 2025 07:41 PM (0sNs1)
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We can discuss the appeals process in October!

Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 07:44 PM (Jtz/H)

76 Make sure if you are out and about in crowds you are armed.

The haters would love to cause mayhem on the 4th.
Posted by: four seasons at June 29, 2025 07:41 PM (3ek7K)
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I'll be out and about a bit on the 4th, spreading freedom seeds at the local range for a bit. Still working some kinks out with the new rifle. I also need to finish the load development for the 30-06 with the new barrel.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 29, 2025 07:44 PM (tT6L1)

77 I looked at the Spokane news and they have minimal reporting and next to no actual information. Several firefighters hit.
According to website Watch Duty, the fire is north of I-90 closer to Hayden Lake. No evacuations ordered as yet but stay locked down and don't try to go to rubberneck.

Posted by: Winston AKA Pops at June 29, 2025 07:44 PM (Qa1H2)

78 And my shit was particularly wobbly.

Posted by: RI Red at June 29, 2025 07:30 PM

*makes note in RI Red's permanent record*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 29, 2025 07:44 PM (Wnv9h)

79 I wonder if that Persian Mauser was a ceremonial rifle and the "bright" finish is original.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at June 29, 2025 07:45 PM (5YmYl)

80 For those who missed the ONT. The Senate has voted to bring the BBB to the floor. The senate over ruled the Parliamentarian on part of her finding that some of the BBB violated the Byrd rule - proving that the Parliamentarian is not some Bureaucratic god who must be obeyed. However, her obviously partisan ruling on the second amendment material STANDS. The Senate says that part of her ruling must be obeyed as though carved in stone tablets from Mt Sinai. So all of the NFA repeal stuff in the BBB is gone. The good news on the BBB is that Eye Patch McCain's stuff on Trannies is back in the Bill with the claim that IT does not violate the Byrd rule (which it obviously does). Meanwhile the anti NFA stuff which is clearly about taxation (and thus does not violate the Byrd rule) must be deleted from the Bill. This is because the 2A is the Red Headed Step Child of Constitutional rights which can be kicked down the stairs and ignored at will. Its more of a suggestion than a Right anyway. So shut up and quit your whining, Peon.

Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 29, 2025 07:46 PM (Da7Vv)

81 Dude next to me had a full gas mask on. His face covered. And he/she/it was a shiity shot, even at 3 yards. And they got paranoid when I backed up to observe.

Freaky af
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 29, 2025 07:43 PM (mT+6a)
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My guess is trannies believe everyone who is not them and has a gun is coming after them. Those people are already delusional so I can well believe they've got a real screw loose when it comes to other people who are not of their tribe.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 29, 2025 07:46 PM (tT6L1)

82 Nurse, how is access managed at the range? We have key cards that are recorded, and all guests have to sign in and execute waivers.
Any chance you could talk to management?

Posted by: RI Red at June 29, 2025 07:47 PM (tez/p)

83 I am in Central Florida (not at blaster acres - headed there this weekend) and nearby is a range that goes out to 830 yards! sra blaster says bring down her rifle. Well we look at the website and it says you have to qualify at 400 yards before they let you shoot on the big range. Okay, fair enough.

A little further in the reading - you can shoot on the big range if you are a member or gues of a member. Well dang.

Good news is on the way back up we will be near the 600 yard range in SC, and it is open to the public.

So that's the plan, currently. special for romero - that range is in Swansea.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 29, 2025 07:48 PM (UpwUi)

84 Red,
You have to register and show ID to shoot. These folks had their own lanes, so they must have been members, thus had a background check. Still. My alarms were all going off.

And my shooting was not where it needed to be.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 29, 2025 07:50 PM (mT+6a)

85 The Mirror has it at 2 to 10.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 07:50 PM (gRq6J)

86 Somewhere in the top 100?
No range time this week. Maybe next week!
Good evening to all the GunHorde and thanks to Weasel for hosting this.

Posted by: Coelacanth at June 29, 2025 07:50 PM (64qRd)

87 I stumbled on the socialist rifle association site.

I'm not going to link it, but it was interesting to poke around.

I've seen pictures of some of the antifaoids walking around kitted up, and laughed, because of the cluelessness exhibited by their equipment and/or how they're employing it.

And then I've seen a few who looked like they probably were bad*ss. Point being, not everyone on the left is a dweeb.

Situational awareness, folks!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 29, 2025 07:50 PM (0sNs1)

88 And before you keyboard commandos puff OUT your chests and put your thumbs in your belt loops, spit your tobacco and guffaw, YOU WOULDNT DO ANYTHING.

I wouldn't go all Batman on them, but I would put them On Tilt just because I am an asshole and am large enough that I wouldn't expect anything.

Starting package is the Walmart Greeter tactic, show friendly interest that they have decided to come out in costume and get in some training.

Ask too many friendly questions. The costumes are to get a reaction: Give them one, just not the one they want. When they get weird, let them create a cause to be rejected with prejudice from the range by their own actions.

If not, its just theater and not worth losing sleep over. They will likely go back with their after action reports to their retarded friends, so keep that in mind.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 29, 2025 07:50 PM (a4flb)

89 And my shooting was not where it needed to be.
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 29, 2025 07:50 PM

Well, it's still illegal for your shooting to have been where it needed to be...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 29, 2025 07:51 PM (Wnv9h)

90 so, give me some reasonable alternatives.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 29, 2025 07:30 PM (+xP4Z)

They meant to provoke you. Trolling for a lawsuit.

Posted by: Eromero at June 29, 2025 07:52 PM (LHPAg)

91 My aim with anything would suck wearing a gas mask. The mask won't let you get a good sight picture, especially if you have a mask with a filter canister in the way of a cheek to stock weld. Don't assume that because he sucked at 3 yards w/ a mask means he's incompetent if he's not wearing one.

Posted by: Ed L at June 29, 2025 07:53 PM (BCwQW)

92 Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure

You’re cute.

No way I’m attempting to talk with a freak who HAS A FUVKING LOADED GUN IN THEIR HAND about their intentions.

Next please.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 29, 2025 07:53 PM (mT+6a)

93 @15, Scuba Dude, "Not counting the FTF or hang fires, how was shooting it?"

It shoots accurately, about 1 MOA with the right ammo (my reloads).

Posted by: The Walking Dude at June 29, 2025 07:54 PM (1oXYU)

94 The NBC range was so short I didn't even need my inserts.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 07:54 PM (gRq6J)

95 Shooting with a gas mask can be hard. Shooting in full MOPP gear is harder.

However, the more you sweat in practice, the less you bleed in war.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 29, 2025 07:56 PM (0sNs1)

96 My aim with anything would suck wearing a gas mask. The mask won't let you get a good sight picture, especially if you have a mask with a filter canister in the way of a cheek to stock weld. Don't assume that because he sucked at 3 yards w/ a mask means he's incompetent if he's not wearing one.
Posted by: Ed L at June 29, 2025 07:53 PM

That's why we trained in them.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 29, 2025 07:56 PM (Wnv9h)

97 "An Observation", thanks for the comment. Well stated on the BBB and NFA/parliamentarian's ruling. Have not looked at details, but ruling that provision - which affected a clearly unconstitutional law saved only by the farcical judiciary's ruling that it "is a tax" (sound familiar?) - violated the Byrd rule is darkly hilarious. Reconciliation bill's basic germaneness test is whether something affects (non-discretionary) spending, or revenue (taxes). So the "tax" issue was ...... not germane to reconciliation.

And thanks for repeating something that few (understandably) know - rulings of the chair (parliamentarian) can be challenged and put to a vote of the Senate. Astonished that the Senate GOP actually over-ruled on anything of value, haven't seen details. Such tussles are fairly rare.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 07:57 PM (1m82a)

98 91 My aim with anything would suck wearing a gas mask. The mask won't let you get a good sight picture, especially if you have a mask with a filter canister in the way of a cheek to stock weld. Don't assume that because he sucked at 3 yards w/ a mask means he's incompetent if he's not wearing one.
Posted by: Ed L at

That’s what really freaked me out. He/she\it was training for something.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 29, 2025 07:57 PM (mT+6a)

99 Bought a Sig p365 and signed up for CCL class in August. Gotta master the firearm and figure out wardrobe going forward. I don't think my typical gym shorts and t-shirt will work.

Posted by: windbag at June 29, 2025 07:57 PM (ixFbr)

100 So I'm out here in DC visiting Daughter of Diogenes #1 and playing golf at Trump National in Sterling. The President was playing Country in his cart. Pretty cool. Ricky Skaggs I think The Secret Service lady was hawt, but I was swayed by her...weapon. Tricked our Car-4.
A very cool day!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 29, 2025 07:58 PM (1bdKO)

101 No Crocs?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 07:58 PM (gRq6J)

102 Honestly, nurse, I don't see how you do anything but leave if someone like that shows up. Where you live, I sort of believe if one of those people opened fire on someone, for no real reason, they'd walk because they'd claim, "Hey, self defense" and play the protected victim card.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 29, 2025 07:58 PM (tT6L1)

103 Now that's an excellent story, Diogenes.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 29, 2025 07:59 PM (tT6L1)

104 Every fucking alarm bell in my body would have been going off. I would have been out of there in a heartbeat.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 29, 2025 08:00 PM (HFcKg)

105 Diogenes, you played when Trump was playing?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 08:00 PM (1m82a)

106 Went to the range yesterday. There were three antifa trannys there. I was creeped out and my danger meter was off the charts. They were all wearing masks and one was at the line wearing a full gas mask. As if they were preparing for something. It didn’t even seem, to me, like the RSOs even noticed them. I was seriously uncomfortable.

This may be enough to keep me out of there for a bit.

I am glad MAE and LazyMessenger were there with me.

Jeepers.

And before you keyboard commandos puff OUT your chests and put your thumbs in your belt loops, spit your tobacco and guffaw, YOU WOULDNT DO ANYTHING.

so, give me some reasonable alternatives.

Posted by: nurse ratched
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Talk 'em up...

"Howdy. I presume you are not prior military as you'd already know it's almost pointless to try to precision aim with a pro-mask on. And it looks goofily suspicious at a public range... Did you even bother to try that in your Mom's basement before coming here?"

... OK, maybe all but the last part.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 29, 2025 08:00 PM (/lPRQ)

107 That’s what really freaked me out. He/she\it was training for something.
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 29, 2025 07:57 PM (mT+6a)

Even more reason to stay out of crowds. And mostly peaceful protests. And carry at all times possible. And carry spare mags. And have a long arm in your vehicle.
And practice staying unwobbly.

Posted by: RI Red at June 29, 2025 08:01 PM (tez/p)

108 That Persian rifle is very cool. My Italian grandfather had an ancient Italian rifle that was decades old when he was a kid and brought it when he came to USA. Imagine that happening today!

It was quite the prestigious gun I’m told, but sadly it was lost to time and nobody in my family living today remembers what it was or what happened to it. My mom (his daughter) remembers he was very proud of it. She remembers him shooting it, but she never got the chance to shoot it because it was too powerful for her. She was shooting 22s at the time, and even that had some serious kick for a girl who probably wasn’t even 10 years old at the time.

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at June 29, 2025 08:01 PM (YGP22)

109 @79, Taro "I wonder if that Persian Mauser was a ceremonial rifle and the "bright" finish is original.".

SAMCO had lots of those back in the day. They had tried cleaning with an aggressive solvent and it removed/damaged the bluing so they just stripped them and sold them in the white. I was afraid of rust, but my gunsafe has a heat stick and I keep EVA-dry rechargeable mini dehumidifiers in the safes. Its been in the safe since feb 2012 with no rust.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at June 29, 2025 08:03 PM (1oXYU)

110 No way I’m attempting to talk with a freak who HAS A FUVKING LOADED GUN IN THEIR HAND about their intentions.

I would never ask what their intentions are or inquire about the mask; that is what they want. I would admire their firearms, ask them how they respond to the recoil.

But judging by the shout-text, I'm thinking that they were creepy intimidating. You also mentioned that it take you off your game.

That is actually a good thing. In Krav Maga, the instructors, particularly when going to the San Antonio fun house, or doing field trips to bars to practice in situations, the whole goal is to create an uncomfortable environment - loud noise, flashing lights, people shoving you around, etc. to work on technique, to overcome the distractions to focus on the work at hand.

Oh well, you are here safe and sound, so all is good.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 29, 2025 08:03 PM (a4flb)

111 That’s what really freaked me out. He/she\it was training for something.
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 29, 2025 07:57 PM

Most likely, yes. Un*ssing the AO when your gut is telling you to is almost never a bad option.

Training yourself is *never* a bad option. Because we want you, nurse, (and all Morons) to be the one crushing your enemies, driving them before you, and hearing the lamentations of their women and girlfriends.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 29, 2025 08:04 PM (0sNs1)

112 had I walked in by myself and seen masked up masquerading men, I'd have turned and left.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
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Actually, That is more more speed.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 29, 2025 08:04 PM (/lPRQ)

113 That’s what really freaked me out. He/she\it was training for something.
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 29, 2025 07:57 PM (mT+6a)

Poke fun at them, but don't underestimate the other guys if things start getting froggy. You're planning on bringing your best; it's safe to assume so will the other guys.

Posted by: Ed L at June 29, 2025 08:04 PM (BCwQW)

114 At the range I see all kinds - but not antifa troons are a new one for me.

The people who concern me at my range are the crowds of Asians - like a whole family. Not because they are Asian - but because they come in a large group that is all new (you can tell because they all went to the training video and have range issued eyes and ears). Often not speaking English (which is a concern because the RSOs ARE speaking English).

Seems like its a family coming to visit someone in the US who is like "you are here in the US you should go shoot a gun!" That's cool. But a bunch of total newbs at the range make me nervous.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 29, 2025 08:05 PM (UpwUi)

115 I saw ammo on sale at Rural King today. It wasn't even in the gun section of the store.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 29, 2025 08:05 PM (63Dwl)

116 Bought a Sig p365 and signed up for CCL class in August. Gotta master the firearm and figure out wardrobe going forward. I don't think my typical gym shorts and t-shirt will work.
Posted by: windbag at June 29, 2025 07:57 PM

Good choice. The 12 round mags will give your pinky a place to call home.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 29, 2025 08:07 PM (0sNs1)

117 115 I saw ammo on sale at Rural King today. It wasn't even in the gun section of the store.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 29, 2025 08:05 PM (63Dwl)

Love me some Rural King. It's like Tractor Supply with guns!

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 29, 2025 08:07 PM (UpwUi)

118 Diogenes, you played when Trump was playing?
Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 08:00 PM (1m82a)

Rhomboid, what do you think about Trump overall in his second term? I think Trump has been pretty successful in his second term for the most part.

I would say more or less it been a success.

Posted by: Guy who takes everything literally at June 29, 2025 08:08 PM (r2ymA)

119 So that's the plan, currently. special for romero - that range is in Swansea.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 29, 2025 07:48 PM (UpwUi)
If I retire before I die on the job, I intend to visit that range. By the way, I am working on Independence Day.

Posted by: Eromero at June 29, 2025 08:08 PM (LHPAg)

120 Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at June 29, 2025 08:09 PM (xcxpd)

121 I agree with our proprietor - now is always the best time to buy ammo. There will always be another shortage. And I’m not going to be the one lamenting the fact that I didn’t buy in good times.
Helps with dollar-cost investing, too!

Posted by: RI Red at June 29, 2025 08:09 PM (tez/p)

122 And yes, there were trannies and ANTIFA types at West Coast Armory in Bellevue Saturday.

Never think that the bad guys aren't training too.

Gun up, carry, head on a swivel.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at June 29, 2025 08:10 PM (xcxpd)

123 48 Ed L Ed, in my experience there is nothing consistent about POI shifts with suppressors. Same suppressor different guns I get shifts all over the map.

80 The anti NFA stuff is gone from the BBB? Fuck.

Nurse R. The antifa in the gas mask sounds creepy. Did they have a CNT/FAI flag? 😂

Yes made it to the range today for the first time in weeks. Drove down the to Palmetto State Armory store and range in Denver NC near Lake Norman from my late father’s place near Hendersonville. Nice drive nice folks good range session with my 10mm Glock and a Beretta Cheetah .380 I rented for shits and giggles.

Got more recently purchased gubs back in AZ I haven’t had time to shoot much yet.

Posted by: The Osprey at June 29, 2025 08:11 PM (wWqRd)

124 Yes for the road trip put an EP9 into truck gun mode. 3 x 30 rd mags in the pockets in the case.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 29, 2025 08:11 PM (UpwUi)

125 So, my church gun, my PSA Micro Dagger, apparently sends brass promptly over the barrier at the range. Thus irritating the tranny next to me, who protested.

And, hell, I can't control the ejection pattern...I'm not doing it deliberately....though I might if I could. He/she shuffled off to another lane. Was getting pretty good groups, albeit at 5 yards.

And my PSA Micro Dagger? Yeah, it works. It works well. Buy one, put a red dot on it, carry it. It's a G43x clone and it works, baby.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at June 29, 2025 08:12 PM (xcxpd)

126
At least two dead in Idaho sniper shooting.

Kill the bastard.

Posted by: fourseasons at June 29, 2025 08:12 PM (3ek7K)

127 Evening all.
Sorry I'm late but completely forgot it was Sunday.

Scubs, you were missed.

Two firefighters dead and many others including police shot. It is still ongoing.Sniper on a hill. or maybe more than one.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 29, 2025 08:13 PM (t/2Uw)

128 5 yards is javelin range.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 08:13 PM (gRq6J)

129 I believe that the BBB removed the tax from suppressors. So it would be free, still have to register it.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 29, 2025 08:13 PM (UpwUi)

130 Firemen.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 08:13 PM (gRq6J)

131 I agree with our proprietor - now is always the best time to buy ammo. There will always be another shortage. And I’m not going to be the one lamenting the fact that I didn’t buy in good times.
Helps with dollar-cost investing, too!
Posted by: RI Red at June 29, 2025 08:09 PM (tez/p)

Don't be surprised if imported ammo starts becoming scarce as the tariffs on imported goods kick in. Same goes for guns w/ foreign made parts in them, too.

Posted by: Ed L at June 29, 2025 08:14 PM (BCwQW)

132 Guy who takes everything literally, that's a big question, and this is the gun thread. I will concur with your current assessment. Obviously things are vastly better than before (of course), and the unthinkable was avoided.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 08:14 PM (1m82a)

133
My Italian grandfather had an ancient Italian rifle that was decades old when he was a kid and brought it when he came to USA. Imagine that happening today!

I'm amazed by all the servicemen who brought back their .45s from WW2.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 29, 2025 08:14 PM (63Dwl)

134 Nurse, your shit is weak. You shoulda screamed some 80s-style one-liner — like ‘I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I’m all out of bubblegum’ — and then shot them all in the fucking face, then hopped in your Trans Am with T-Tops and burned rubber outta there. Duh.

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at June 29, 2025 08:15 PM (YGP22)

135 blaster perhaps it will go back in but the NFA provision was removed by the ruling of the chair in the Senate, and the GOP (shocka!) didn't challenge it. Can't see how any ruled-out stuff gets back in, in conference, but we'll see.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 08:16 PM (1m82a)

136 The emails I get daily from a number of ammo sellers all seem to have prices cheaper than I was used to paying. Which is good as Ed L talked me into getting the fancy stuff. I am only buying 9mm pretty much so maybe that doesn;t hold for other calibers.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 29, 2025 08:17 PM (t/2Uw)

137 We'll probably see a protest here, but it won't amount to anything. Old white people trying to relive their hippy glory days is a sad sight.

I say that as an old person myself but the people protesting are older than I.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 29, 2025 08:18 PM (tT6L1)

138 Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade

LOL
Thank you!

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 29, 2025 08:18 PM (mT+6a)

139 They meant to provoke you. Trolling for a lawsuit.
Posted by: Eromero
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The old Jonesboro Baptist Church routine.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 29, 2025 08:18 PM (/lPRQ)

140 Diogenes, you played when Trump was playing?
Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 08:00 PM (1m82a)

Yes.
He showed up to the driving range when we were there. Then headed out to play just in front of us.
It was very cool.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 29, 2025 08:19 PM (1bdKO)

141 My Italian grandfather had an ancient Italian rifle that was decades old when he was a kid and brought it when he came to USA. Imagine that happening today!

I'm amazed by all the servicemen who brought back their .45s from WW2.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 29, 2025 08:14 PM (63Dwl)
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My gdad was 5 or 6 when he came here, pre-war. The rifle belonged to his dad or probably even gdad. The gun was from the 1800s most likely.

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at June 29, 2025 08:19 PM (YGP22)

142 Posted by: Diogenes at June 29, 2025 08:19 PM (1bdKO)
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A buddy of mine played in Trumps foursome during his first term. Said it was awesome!

Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 08:21 PM (idhMh)

143 What Ed L. said (as usual).

There are many non-"alarmist" reasons to stock up on ammo.

As RI Red pointed out, dollar-cost averaging. Or simply hedging against price increases.

Living in CA, I (correctly for once) predicted something, that the normal online vendor ammo purchasing thing would be f***ed with by the idiotic state guvamint. Sure enough. Now, you can still get direct delivery if you have a federal FFL-03, plus do a fingerprint thing - but I let my C&R license lapse because I was pretty much done buying milsurps. And I reload anyway, so hadn't bought factory in years when the law came around.

Anyway, everyone's circumstances and considerations are different, but stocking up on ammo makes sense for many different reasons. None of them related to the Burning Times that aren't coming (they're here, for years, most just define "burning" incorrectly).

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 08:21 PM (1m82a)

144 Several years ago I encountered an Antifa sniper team at a range. Female shooter, male spotter. She was a competent shooter using a .308 bolt gun. They were surprised I went over and talked to them. After watching her shoot, I was confident I could out range her with my .300 Win Mag. The Communists are serious about over throwing the government. Watch your back, especially in Blue states, where they get to riot at no cost.

Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 29, 2025 08:21 PM (Da7Vv)

145 Calling it a night.

Thanks again Weasel for another banger of a thread!

Nurse, glad nothing happened. Good thing is you now know when in a stressful situation, aim a little right ;-)

Night all!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 29, 2025 08:21 PM (0XVad)

146 A buddy of mine played in Trumps foursome during his first term. Said it was awesome!
Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 08:21 PM (idhMh)
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I understand President Trump is a pretty solid golfer. Was your buddy able to confirm?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 29, 2025 08:22 PM (tT6L1)

147 Blaster? Where’s Master? Who rules Bartertown?

Whenever I go to the Coolidge AZ swap meet with AOP when he is down in AZ I always tell him it reminds me of Bartertown but he doesn’t get it I don’t think he ever saw Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome

“Lift embargo.”

Posted by: The Osprey at June 29, 2025 08:23 PM (w3zvg)

148 No one knows, of course, but according to YouTuber MonkeyWerx, the feds have been looking hard at the mountain west for quite a while. Seems it is familiar terrain for some of our SE Asia imports.

Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at June 29, 2025 08:23 PM (MZ+PY)

149 I'm amazed by all the servicemen who brought back their .45s from WW2.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 29, 2025 08:14 PM (63Dwl)

Keep in mind that until the end of January 1942, it was perfectly normal for servicemembers (mostly officers) to purchase their sidearm from the military (roughly a full month's pay for an E-1 - $30).

Posted by: Ed L at June 29, 2025 08:24 PM (BCwQW)

150 A buddy of mine played in Trumps foursome during his first term. Said it was awesome!
Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 08:21 PM (idhMh)

I bet.
This was a huge group. Gotta tell ya Weasel, one of the counter-sniper guys was parked nearby and that was one tricked out platform. I think I swooned.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 29, 2025 08:24 PM (1bdKO)

151 And before you keyboard commandos puff OUT your chests and put your thumbs in your belt loops, spit your tobacco and guffaw, YOU WOULDNT DO ANYTHING.

You walk and do not go back. Just like it sounds you did.

Nurse ... I constantly urge people to GTFO of places like Seattle PRECISELY because I am not a "keyboard commando" - regardless of what gets said. I am practical. Practically speaking ? What you saw is a great damn big problem.

Posted by: Doug Roberts at June 29, 2025 08:24 PM (9NZ23)

152 Diogenes now that is pretty good. Weasel, also cool!

To anyone interested I recommend watching the video of Trump playing with, um - forget his name, US Open winner - in that golfer's little charity thing he does.

It was a best-ball format. I think they used Trump's ball several times. Playing with the US Open champion. Trump is pretty damn good at golf.

The power of the PGA guy, on his drives, was almost scary. Hitting a golf ball as hard as a major leaguer swings at a pitch is a pretty amazing bit of coordination and talent.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 08:25 PM (1m82a)

153 Last time I had any contact with suppressor legaleze, maybe 15 years ago, you had to carry your permission slip with you, any place you took you suppressed arm. Is that still true?

Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 29, 2025 08:27 PM (Da7Vv)

154 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 29, 2025 08:22 PM (tT6L1)
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He did confirm that! My buddy is a very good golfer and beat Trump by one stroke. He said the tee box banter was unforgettable.

Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 08:27 PM (g3uJd)

155 I understand President Trump is a pretty solid golfer. Was your buddy able to confirm?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 29, 2025 08:22 PM (tT6L1)

I watched two of his drives.
Solid!
He'd kick ass playing the Tuesday Geezers.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 29, 2025 08:28 PM (1bdKO)

156 Posted by: Diogenes at June 29, 2025 08:19 PM (1bdKO)
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A buddy of mine played in Trumps foursome during his first term. Said it was awesome!
Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 08:21 PM (idhMh)
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My brother is an avid golfer. He was playing at that DC golf course — military, I think — when Obama was president. Obama was playing and my brother got to shake his hand. We’re all conservatives so we hated Obama. But how many people get to shake the hand of the president of the USA? My brother said something like ‘it’s an honor to meet the president of the USA,’ without mentioning who the president was. Oh and Obama was a shitty golfer.

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at June 29, 2025 08:28 PM (YGP22)

157 Well, time to wander.

Thanks for the thread, weasel.

Catch you later!

I also look forward to seeing Duncanthrax penitence this October. Should be a hoot!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 29, 2025 08:28 PM (tT6L1)

158 We'll probably see a protest here, but it won't amount to anything. Old white people trying to relive their hippy glory days is a sad sight.

I say that as an old person myself but the people protesting are older than I.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 29, 2025 08:18 PM

Old white hippies are something I recognize from my early days.

A bunch of my relatives were in that lane.

Being a natural conservative gave me a kind of different understanding.

Not sure why I went so much against the grain in that sense.

Posted by: Guy who takes everything literally at June 29, 2025 08:29 PM (r2ymA)

159 Ah, I see I have confirmation the guy I voted for is also a solid golfer. Outstanding.

Thanks!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 29, 2025 08:30 PM (tT6L1)

160 Bryson DeChambeau. Here's the video of him playing with Trump in DeChambeau's "Break 50" event. Very interesting.

https://tinyurl.com/2mv2nam6

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 08:31 PM (1m82a)

161 Talked w/ my friendly B&T FFL this weekend. He tells me that distributors are already planning to raise their prices on guns (or guns w/ imported parts) by about 10% to account for the tariffs kicking in when current stocks are exhausted (as soon as next month for some high demand stuff). So if you've got your eye on something you really want, you might want to get it PDQ before the price hikes take effect.

Posted by: Ed L at June 29, 2025 08:31 PM (BCwQW)

162 I'm told translates to Persian year of manufacture 1317, which is 1938 in our years.
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How much is that in dog years??

Posted by: andycanuck at June 29, 2025 08:32 PM (2yoRf)

163 153 Last time I had any contact with suppressor legaleze, maybe 15 years ago, you had to carry your permission slip with you, any place you took you suppressed arm. Is that still true?
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 29, 2025 08:27 PM (Da7V)

I carry a reduced size and laminated copy of my approval form and tax stamp for each suppressor in my range bag at the recommendation of the atty who drew up my NFA trust.

Posted by: The Osprey at June 29, 2025 08:32 PM (3X2FA)

164 I'm told translates to Persian year of manufacture 1317, which is 1938 in our years.
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How much is that in dog years??
Posted by: andycanuck at June 29, 2025 08:32 PM (2yoRf)
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Goat years

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at June 29, 2025 08:33 PM (YGP22)

165 I agree with our proprietor - now is always the best time to buy ammo. There will always be another shortage. And I’m not going to be the one lamenting the fact that I didn’t buy in good times.

Went to roam around the new Bass Pro in Tyler - been ages since I was anywhere that had reloading equipment for sale.

It wasn't that long ago when you needed the luck associated with winning the lottery to find and the actually winning of the lottery to purchase primers.

Now they had whole shelves loaded up with primers. While they had a good variety of loaded ammunition for the major calibers including 10mm, I didn't see any of the exotics like .460S&W or .50AE

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 29, 2025 08:33 PM (a4flb)

166 By the way there is an ugly loop hole in federal law for Constitutional carry states. Federal law makes it (felony) illegal to carry within 1000 ft of a school zone without a state issued concealed carry permit. Since I live with in 1000 ft of a school I have an easily obtained New Hampshire permit to cover that. You almost can't drive anywhere in Houston without being with in 1000 ft of a school zone. I chose not to get a TX permit, because I am worried about TX turning blue, and I don't want the local commies to know I carry.

Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 29, 2025 08:34 PM (Da7Vv)

167 Unless my memory's playing tricks, I think years back I talked with someone at the Coronado public course (which I used to play often, beautiful setting, and interesting - Navy jets overhead, BUDS candidates with their SEAL instructors doing stuff in the water off the fairway of #3). He had been there when Clinton played, as president. It was one of Clinton's more infamous cases where he cheated/lied about his score. Shocker. Anyway.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 08:34 PM (1m82a)

168 Last time I had any contact with suppressor legaleze, maybe 15 years ago, you had to carry your permission slip with you, any place you took you suppressed arm. Is that still true?
Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at June 29, 2025 08:27 PM (Da7Vv)

I recommend that you carry a copy of your paperwork as a best practice. It establishes ownership on an NFA item, which the po-po can get excited about. If you're transporting NFA stuff across state lines, you really must carry not just a copy of your Form 1/4, but a copy of the "permission slip" BATFE issues that legally allows you to travel across state lines w/ your NFA toys.

Posted by: Ed L at June 29, 2025 08:35 PM (BCwQW)

169 We'll probably see a protest here, but it won't amount to anything. Old white people trying to relive their hippy glory days is a sad sight.

As they say, you can't recreate Woodstock

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 29, 2025 08:36 PM (a4flb)

170 Nurse, not saying this would work, but I at least wanted to offer you the option:

https://is.gd/ZG3jhk

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 29, 2025 08:36 PM (nHcc1)

171 By the way there is an ugly loop hole in federal law for Constitutional Carry states. Federal law makes it (felony) illegal to carry within 1000 ft of a school zone without a state issued concealed carry permit.

You didn't see that fine print in the Constitution?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 29, 2025 08:38 PM (a4flb)

172 Commerce Clause?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 08:40 PM (gRq6J)

173 Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and greetings to our host Weasel.

The Mas Ayoob video page on YouTube carried a tag indicating shenanigans were involved in the making of said video:

Altered or synthetic content
Sound or visuals were significantly edited or digitally generated.

Dunno what that means, but GWB, it appears your instincts were spot on.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 29, 2025 08:40 PM (v23vE)

174 Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at

Omg. That is teh awesome! Thank you!!!

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 29, 2025 08:40 PM (mT+6a)

175 Ammoseek showing 4.6 cents/primer for CCI Small Pistol, which we could use as sort of a West Texas Intermediate reference price for primers. Off-brands down to 3 cents per (the old "normal" price).

Considering a normal grocery store run is now at least 50% more expensive than it was prior to 2020, primer and powder prices, while painful, are in line (or better) than most prices these days.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 08:40 PM (1m82a)

176 Several years ago I encountered an Antifa sniper team at a range. Female shooter, male spotter. She was a competent shooter using a .308 bolt gun. They were surprised I went over and talked to them. After watching her shoot, I was confident I could out range her with my .300 Win Mag. The Communists are serious about over throwing the government. Watch your back, especially in Blue states, where they get to riot at no cost.

No need to wait, they already have arsonists and snipers at large in Idaho Right Now.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 29, 2025 08:41 PM (a4flb)

177 The power of the PGA guy, on his drives, was almost scary. Hitting a golf ball as hard as a major leaguer swings at a pitch is a pretty amazing bit of coordination and talent.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 08:25 PM (1m82a)

Rhom, didn't know you were such a sports guy. But now that I know. Who do you think is the NBA GOAT?

Jordan or LeBron?

Posted by: Guy who takes everything literally at June 29, 2025 08:41 PM (r2ymA)

178 Sent that to both my sons and theyLOVE IT!

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 29, 2025 08:42 PM (mT+6a)

179 Considering a normal grocery store run is now at least 50% more expensive than it was prior to 2020, primer and powder prices, while painful, are in line (or better) than most prices these days.

I understand inflation, just remember pricing out how much it cost me to load 9mm using slut brass and lead ball and it was just a breath over 5¢ a round

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 29, 2025 08:43 PM (a4flb)

180 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 29, 2025 08:40 PM (v23vE)
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Did not see that! I will check it out.

Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 08:43 PM (jH5TK)

181
so, give me some reasonable alternatives.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 29, 2025 07:30 PM (+xP4Z)

*spits tobacco*

I ain't doin' anything.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 29, 2025 08:44 PM (/HVsR)

182 By the way there is an ugly loop hole in federal law for Constitutional Carry states. Federal law makes it (felony) illegal to carry within 1000 ft of a school zone without a state issued concealed carry permit.

You didn't see that fine print in the Constitution?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure

I do not think it is possible to go more than a couple of miles in a straight line here w/o going through a school zone... Mostly almost none of the secondary roads go more than a mile or two before T'ing unto a min road. All the main roads have schools zones every few miles.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 29, 2025 08:44 PM (/lPRQ)

183 I just checked the news from ID if no one has seen it already.
Seven firefighters and two police officers shot. Two known to be dead with bodies on the mountain. Fire is coming from different directions.
Multiple shooters or, one shooter with several firing spots.

Posted by: Winston AKA Pops at June 29, 2025 08:44 PM (Qa1H2)

184 Does that mean they can't evacuate the wounded?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 08:46 PM (gRq6J)

185 Guy who takes everything literally, not really a sports guy. Like to participate, actually play. Not much of a fan. And not an NBA fan of any sort. At least not since catching some Lakers games on TV a century ago (Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Chick Hearn with the sportscast).

Actually watched the final game of the Stanley Cup. Found it fairly boring actually. Still play hockey but find the pro game far less interesting than it used to be (long story).

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 08:47 PM (1m82a)

186 Did not see that! I will check it out.
Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 08:43 PM (jH5TK)

The latest four videos made within the last month all carry that tag. Maybe it's something innocuous like he's sitting in front of a green screen, or they forgot to uncheck a box somewhere in the YouTube posting process (it happens - I've checked the wrong boxes when posting worship video from my church and wound up with a hidden video).

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 29, 2025 08:48 PM (v23vE)

187 FWIW,
First, ". . .any single senator may raise a point of order against subject matter newly inserted by the conference committee without objecting to the rest of the bill. Proponents of the measure may move to waive the rule. The affirmative vote of 60 senators is required to waive the rule. If the point of order is not waived and the chair rules that the objection is well-founded, only the offending provision is stricken from the measure, and the Senate votes on sending the balance of the measure back to the House."
BUT
"The Congressional Budget Act of 1974 limits debate on conference reports on budget resolutions and budget reconciliation bills to ten hours in the Senate, so senators cannot filibuster those conference reports."

Unclear whether the NFA exclusions if the House reverts would count as a new matter or not.

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 08:48 PM (ctrM5)

188 Not sure about evacuation. They'd likely want an MRAP or something to minimize exposure for the rescue teams.
No word on how badly wounded others are.

Posted by: Winston AKA Pops at June 29, 2025 08:48 PM (Qa1H2)

189 49 I'm amazed by all the servicemen who brought back their .45s from WW2.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 29, 2025 08:14 PM (63Dwl)

You could bring firearms back from Vietnam as well, not service weapons but captured. K-54 were prized and SKS Lot's of rules and paperwork involved.

Posted by: javems at June 29, 2025 08:49 PM (8I4hW)

190 60 votes to over-rule the chair in the Senate? Is that special for Budget Act matters? Was not my circus or monkeys so stayed far away from reconciliation stuff, but in other matters I think simple majority trounces the parliamentarian. It was very rare back in my day so not good memory of it.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 08:51 PM (1m82a)

191 182 By the way there is an ugly loop hole in federal law for Constitutional Carry states. Federal law makes it (felony) illegal to carry within 1000 ft of a school zone without a state issued concealed carry permit.

You didn't see that fine print in the Constitution?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure

There is/was a case percolating in the 10th Circuit over a guy that lives adjacent to a school within the 1000 ft. When the Rehnquist Court first ruled in US v. Lopez, that Congressional commerce clause power did not extend to issues where no nexus with commerce exists (in this case transit only).

Billy Jeff and a pig ignorant GOP Congress wrote the revised law which Scotus has never ruled upon and the 10th Circuit case was testing.

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 08:51 PM (ctrM5)

192 No range time for me. Just looking forward to celebrating the 249th birthday of this great nation. May next year’s be HUGE…

Posted by: Cow Demon at June 29, 2025 08:51 PM (vm8sq)

193 Forested hills. A draw. Theyre gonna need infantry.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 08:52 PM (gRq6J)

194 The old dud 45ACP ammo I referred to up above was brought by a guy who had his dad's service 1911. But it never left the country. His father was an Army doctor who spent the war here in San Diego in both military and civilian hospitals. Pistol was sweet, very little wear. I did offer to buy it.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 08:52 PM (1m82a)

195
You could bring firearms back from Vietnam as well, not service weapons but captured. K-54 were prized and SKS Lot's of rules and paperwork involved.
Posted by: javems at June 29, 2025 08:49 PM (8I4hW)

Capture papers and/or documentation attesting to the Army granting permission for a servicemember to bring home a captured enemy firearm adds to the value of these firearms on the collector's market. It documents the history of the firearm and its use by the enemy before its capture.

Posted by: Ed L at June 29, 2025 08:53 PM (BCwQW)

196 171 By the way there is an ugly loop hole in federal law for Constitutional Carry states. Federal law makes it (felony) illegal to carry within 1000 ft of a school zone without a state issued concealed carry permit.

You didn't see that fine print in the Constitution?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 29, 2025 08:38 PM (a4flb)

Oh yeah. We were told of this in my CHL class 15 years ago. You didn’t know about just how many laws you break every day without realizing it?

Posted by: Cow Demon at June 29, 2025 08:55 PM (vm8sq)

197 Unclear whether the NFA exclusions if the House reverts would count as a new matter or not.
Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 08:48 PM (ctrM5)

Yeah, well House and Senate rules are shall we say somewhat expansive when needed, LOL.

Posted by: Guy who takes everything literally at June 29, 2025 08:55 PM (r2ymA)

198
Boss Moss,

Hubby just said it's going to be tough to find the shooters in the forest. He's hoping they will bring in heat seeking air support.

Posted by: four seasons at June 29, 2025 08:56 PM (3ek7K)

199 30 carbine next up in the ammo factory (garage). Damn production staff is near impossible to deal with, just lazy. Need to light a fire under them. So hard to find good help these days.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 08:56 PM (1m82a)

200 190 60 votes to over-rule the chair in the Senate? Is that special for Budget Act matters? Was not my circus or monkeys so stayed far away from reconciliation stuff, but in other matters I think simple majority trounces the parliamentarian. It was very rare back in my day so not good memory of it.
Posted by: rhomboid

Rhomboid, I would have to contact my friend at teh Senate Historical society because as seen above, the Budget Act does not allow filibusters by statute overriding Senate rules in that instance.

However, bringing up a 'new' matter in conference can result in the conference report being filibustered when normally they cannot under Senate Rules.

Whether reinserting the removal from the NFA from the House in the overall budget conference report probably means that there is a precedent somewhere by the Senate Parliamentarian.

Rulewise, I think any Parliamentarian ruling something in a conference report in or out would be of dubious when applied to this narrow issue.

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 08:56 PM (ctrM5)

201 The old dud 45ACP ammo I referred to up above was brought by a guy who had his dad's service 1911. But it never left the country. His father was an Army doctor who spent the war here in San Diego in both military and civilian hospitals. Pistol was sweet, very little wear. I did offer to buy it.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 08:52 PM (1m82a)

Pre-war (made before December 1941) M1911A1s in high condition are in the five-figure range now on the collector market, especially the blued examples. Even the war-built, parkerized M1911A1s are now in the $4-5k range if they're still in good shape.

Posted by: Ed L at June 29, 2025 08:57 PM (BCwQW)

202 It is claimed they even fired on law enforcement.
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 07:24 PM (gRq6J)

We're there any oil cans around?

Posted by: GWB at June 29, 2025 08:58 PM (EzznD)

203 Yeah, well House and Senate rules are shall we say somewhat expansive when needed, LOL.

Government Calvinball is fractal in nature.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 29, 2025 08:59 PM (a4flb)

204 It would appear that I am wrong.

From House Budget Committee website.
"Reconciliation Conference Agreement Procedures

Even though a conference agreement cannot be amended, it is still subject to Byrd rule requirements in the Senate. Thus, although the Byrd rule does not apply in the House, it constrains what can be included in the reconciliation conference agreement. A provision violating the Byrd rule can be struck from the conference agreement on the Senate floor unless 60 Senators vote to waive the point of order. Stripping a provision due to a Byrd rule violation does not mean the conference agreement is defeated, just that the agreement will be sent to the House without the stripped provision."

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 08:59 PM (ctrM5)

205 49 I'm amazed by all the servicemen who brought back their .45s from WW2.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 29, 2025 08:14 PM (63Dwl)

My dad traded a pair of paratrooper boots for the 1911 that he brought back. Had it in the pocket of his overcoat when he walked off the ship in NY. No one ever checked.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at June 29, 2025 09:00 PM (89bOZ)

206 Thanks, whig. I would think the statutory privileged nature of everything related to the Budget Act would apply to conference reports as well, so yeah no filibuster.

Never worked with the Byrd Rule or reconciliation, so zero background with those.

Though I did happen to be on the floor when Byrd had perhaps his most famous joust with the parliamentarian. Byrd was a true Senate rules/history expert (last of his kind).

He challenged the ruling of the chair. In the end it came down to whether a footnote in the Senate rules denoted in Roman, or Arabic, numerals. Not kidding. This had significance for whatever the dispute was. Parliamentarian checked for a bit, then conceded Byrd was correct. Laughter, shaking heads, and some applause on the floor, and in the gallery. Pretty interesting.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 09:01 PM (1m82a)

207 whig that's interesting. And perhaps the 60-vote requirement applies just to over-ruling the chair in Budget Act proceedings. In any case, seems NFA provision is deader than an Iranian general.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 09:03 PM (1m82a)

208 FWIW, it was not the 10th but 9th as I forgot Montana is in the 9th misbegotten Circuit.

From Ammoland
(AmmoLand.com)- In the Ninth Circuit appeals case of USA v. Metcalf, the oral arguments were held on June 12, 2025, in Portland, Oregon. The case centers around the federal prosecution of Gabriel Metcalf for possessing a firearm in a gun free school zone outside his home in Billings, Montana. Gabriel had no prior criminal history.

The oral arguments lasted 38 minutes. The judges in the case were particularly interested in whether the case of Rehaif v. United States was a precedent that was binding in the Metcalf case.
In Rehaif, the Supreme Court ruled that the prosecution had to show the defendant knew he was in violation of the law.

In the Metcalf case, Gabriel Metcalf had been repeatedly told he was not in violation of the law and had called the FBI to ask for assistance, believing he was being harassed by local law enforcement.

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 09:05 PM (ctrM5)

209 However, bringing up a 'new' matter in conference can result in the conference report being filibustered when normally they cannot under Senate Rules.

Whether reinserting the removal from the NFA from the House in the overall budget conference report probably means that there is a precedent somewhere by the Senate Parliamentarian.

Rulewise, I think any Parliamentarian ruling something in a conference report in or out would be of dubious when applied to this narrow issue.
Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 08:56 PM (ctrM5)

To even pretend there is some kind of precedent the Left will respect is farcical.

They have shown time and time again that they will never act in anything even remotely approaching good faith.

Posted by: Guy who takes everything literally at June 29, 2025 09:05 PM (r2ymA)

210 Weasel, I have an early morning wake up tomorrow morning, so I'll wish everyone a happy (and safe) 4th of July!

Posted by: Ed L at June 29, 2025 09:06 PM (BCwQW)

211 Posted by: Ed L at June 29, 2025 09:06 PM (BCwQW)
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Thanks Ed L! Happy Independence Day everyone!

Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 09:07 PM (jUN6x)

212 don't try to go to rubberneck.
Posted by: Winston AKA Pops at June 29, 2025 07:44 PM (Qa1H2)

Used to be people didn't go to rubberneck, but to help out. I miss the days when "posse" wasn't a bad term, but instead meant involved, responsible citizens.

Posted by: GWB at June 29, 2025 09:07 PM (EzznD)

213 At the risk of being anti-conservative, I think we could probably dispense with the alarmist ammo purchase notification. Buying ammo is probably always good, and the links should stay, but we are past that crisis point of a few years back
Posted by: .87c at June 29, 2025 07:24 PM (MbAOz)

Yeah, but you never know when we will re-enter that crisis mode. For whatever reason.

Posted by: Cow Demon at June 29, 2025 09:07 PM (vm8sq)

214 He challenged the ruling of the chair. In the end it came down to whether a footnote in the Senate rules denoted in Roman, or Arabic, numerals. Not kidding. This had significance for whatever the dispute was. Parliamentarian checked for a bit, then conceded Byrd was correct. Laughter, shaking heads, and some applause on the floor, and in the gallery. Pretty interesting.
Posted by: rhomboid
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I watched some of Byrd's comments on Senate History. He knew his stuff.

I have a Cannon's House procedures book buried somewhere that answers a lot of House questions on procedure but not its compatriot (if one exists) for the Senate.

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 09:07 PM (ctrM5)

215 To even pretend there is some kind of precedent the Left will respect is farcical.

They have shown time and time again that they will never act in anything even remotely approaching good faith.
Posted by: Guy who takes everything literally

Talk to Thune. He is the one deferring to the parliamentarian. But dropping the tax on SBR and Suppressors is not nothing and that is what is in the current Senate bill. The House was afraid of the Byrd rule and went back and forth over simply moving the tax to zero or removing it.

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 09:09 PM (ctrM5)

216 And my shooting was not where it needed to be.
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 29, 2025 07:50 PM (mT+6a)

Nurse, you were right. But, use it to improve your shooting. I know you can work it up a notch. (You already proved by analysing what shooting you did do.)

Posted by: GWB at June 29, 2025 09:11 PM (puy5o)

217 Again never worked with the Byrd Rule but trying to imagine how a provision reducing or removing a tax could possibly not be germane to a reconciliation bill. On its face sounds as ludicrous as any of several SCOTUS decisions the last 15 years. If true, I'm astonished Thune tried, and succeeded, in over-ruling anything by the chair.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 09:13 PM (1m82a)

218 Breaking911 @Breaking911 1h
IDAHO ACTIVE SHOOTING | LATEST:
- Firefighters ambushed while responding to brush fire
- At least 2 dead, bodies still on mountain, Sheriff says
- FBI, US Marshals on scene
- Cops "activity taking sniper fire."
- Possibly multiple shooters
- 0 suspects in custody

Breaking911 @Breaking911 1m
IDAHO SHERIFF AMID STANDOFF WITH SHOOTER(S) ON MOUNTAIN:
"They're not showing any evidence of wanting to surrender. As soon as somebody has a clear shot, I encourage them to take that shot."

Breaking911 @Breaking911 1h
BREAKING: At least 2 dead after a gunman opened fire on firefighters responding to brush fire in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, Sheriff says; scene remains active

"We don't know how many suspects are up there."

Breaking911 @Breaking911 1h
Sheriff when asked about potential of multiple shooters staged on mountain: "We don't know if there's 1, 2, 3 or 4."

Posted by: andycanuck at June 29, 2025 09:15 PM (2yoRf)

219 Hat tip to Walking Dude.
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Late to gun thread as I was resurrecting an old XP computer to remove files from it so I can donate it to some kids interested in legacy computing.

Legacyupdate dot com is useful for such things and a derated Chromium browser Supermium works on old 32 bit machines while being modern.

My mother's old HP XP machine is going to require putting in an old network card I think as old wireless usb adaptors keep running into a fatal exception error.

I had forgotten what a PITA XP was on drivers and installs.

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 09:15 PM (ctrM5)

220 See you later; my nephew is here. [The one with the firearms licence too.]

Posted by: andycanuck at June 29, 2025 09:17 PM (2yoRf)

221 OK all y'all. 9:17pm thank you time.

Thank you!

Hope to see everyone right back here next Sunday!

Nite!

Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 09:17 PM (jUN6x)

222 Look at that. Here comes a Blackhawk.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 09:17 PM (UTqfK)

223 Two-decade lurker here. Sorry, I'm shy.

This week I took #1 kid (18F) to NRA HQ in Fairfax, VA, for "basic handgun safety". It had been more than 3 decades since I took a gun safety course myself for deer hunting. I'm an Appalachian through-and-through, but my kids are, alas, NoVA suburb girls.

Had a WONDERFUL time. The range was so very nice. The instructor was fantastic, and the Daddy/Daughter time will be cherished for years.

My two regrets:
a) not doing it sooner; and
b) my girl -- the athlete who does everything well -- was so good, the instructor asked her to come back to start competitive shooting drills.

I'm not so green that I can get suckered that easily, but darn, she is a good shot.

Anyway, just wanted to share how nice it was to spend a few hours with my kid having fun.

Back to the shadows....

Posted by: DrSandman at June 29, 2025 09:18 PM (iYQr2)

224 I don't think my typical gym shorts and t-shirt will work.
Posted by: windbag at June 29, 2025 07:57 PM (ixFbr)

Belly band. Sounds funky but it can work.

Posted by: GWB at June 29, 2025 09:18 PM (csaWj)

225 Posted by: DrSandman at June 29, 2025 09:18 PM (iYQr2)
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Welcome to the Gun Thread, and thanks for the range report!

Posted by: Weasel at June 29, 2025 09:19 PM (jUN6x)

226 217 Again never worked with the Byrd Rule but trying to imagine how a provision reducing or removing a tax could possibly not be germane to a reconciliation bill. On its face sounds as ludicrous as any of several SCOTUS decisions the last 15 years. If true, I'm astonished Thune tried, and succeeded, in over-ruling anything by the chair.
Posted by: rhomboid
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The initial Byrd ruling by the Parliamentarian was that removing the SBR and Suppressors from the NFA was a policy matter and thus violated the Byrd Rule. Thune came back with setting the tax to zero for both and that passed the Parliamentarian muster as did the changes in Medicaid, etc. The Byrd Bath is where the Senate majority tries to get around the Parliamentarian rulings by massaging the language.

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 09:19 PM (ctrM5)

227 I like the weekly ammo reminders. Every time I see them, I mentally go over my ammo supplies and think about whether I need more.

The problem got worse when I decided to pick up an irresistibly-priced used Dan Wesson PM-38 in .38 Super. I got it home and detail stripped it, and I don't think it has ever been fired. Turns out I really like shooting .38 Super, it's like 9mm but with just that extra bit of oomph that hints at the .45 experience. So now I have one more caliber whose stock I have to worry about.

On the bright side, if there is another supply crunch, it could turn out that .38 Super doesn't disappear as fast as the popular stuff.

Posted by: Splunge at June 29, 2025 09:19 PM (ju/6W)

228 A provision violating the Byrd rule can be struck from the conference agreement on the Senate floor unless 60 Senators vote to waive the point of order. Stripping a provision due to a Byrd rule violation does not mean the conference agreement is defeated, just that the agreement will be sent to the House without the stripped provision."
Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 08:59 PM (ctrM5)

Which is odd, because it only takes 51 votes to change any rule...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 29, 2025 09:20 PM (mP0Kj)

229 AZ Intel@AZ_Intel_ 39m
SUMMARY ON THE COURE D' ALENE, IDAHO SHOOTING, WHERE MULTIPLE FIREFIGHTERS WERE AMBUSHED WHILE RESPONDING TO A WILDFIRE: (PRELIMINARY)

- At 1:21 pm, reports were received of a fire on the east side of Canfield Mountain. Firefighters responded to the scene. At approximately 2 pm, it was reported that firefighters were 'receiving shots fired at them'.

- There are at least 2 deaths and an unknown amount of casualties. The two deceased is believed to be firefighters.

- It is believed that civilians may be stuck or shock on the mountain.

- The sheriff said this is a very very fresh and active situation and that 'we are actively taking sniper fire as we speak,' adding that they're prepared to take down/neutralize the suspect.

- It is believed that modern sporting, high-powered rifles are being used, per sheriff.

- The sheriff said that shelter-in-place order will remain in effect and is encouraging everyone to tell people to stay away from the area. "If these individuals are not neutralized quickly, this is gonna be a likely a multi-day operation."

Posted by: andycanuck at June 29, 2025 09:21 PM (2yoRf)

230 - It remains unclear on if there are additional shooters, sheriff says. "We don't know if there's 1, 2, 3 or 4."

- Quoted by the sheriff: "I'm hoping somebody has a clear shot and is able to neutralize because they're not, at this point in time, showing any evidence of wanting to surrender. So as soon as someone has a clear shot, I encourage them to take that shot and neutralize the threat."

- A reporter asked: "We know there's at least 1 but you said possibly others. Is it coming from multiple different locations that bullets are coming from that might indicate…" The sheriff responded with: "Yes. Oh, yeah. Yep. It's what the officers and deputies are reporting up on the mountain right now."

- A press conference may occur in the next 3-4 hours, unless something significant happens.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 29, 2025 09:21 PM (2yoRf)

231 Thanks, as always, Weasel. Hope you’re not bored with retirement yet.

Posted by: RI Red at June 29, 2025 09:22 PM (tez/p)

232 Yeah, but you never know when we will re-enter that crisis mode. For whatever reason.
Posted by: Cow Demon
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At a certain point, fire and safe storage of large ammo and reloading powders/primers comes into play as does prepping for more likely power outages or food disruptions.

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 09:22 PM (ctrM5)

233 Civillian Blackhawk?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 09:22 PM (UTqfK)

234 Which is odd, because it only takes 51 votes to change any rule...
Posted by: Romeo13
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Yes and no. The nuclear option of overruling the parliamentarian would change the precedent but be available for Dems if and when they take back over the chamber. Reid's nuclear option overriding the parliamentarian for circuit court nominations meant that McConnell could and did extend that to presidential nominees and Scotus judges when the GOP took the chamber.

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 09:24 PM (ctrM5)

235 227 I like the weekly ammo reminders. Every time I see them, I mentally go over my ammo supplies and think about whether I need more.

The problem got worse when I decided to pick up an irresistibly-priced used Dan Wesson PM-38 in .38 Super. I got it home and detail stripped it, and I don't think it has ever been fired. Turns out I really like shooting .38 Super, it's like 9mm but with just that extra bit of oomph that hints at the .45 experience. So now I have one more caliber whose stock I have to worry about.

On the bright side, if there is another supply crunch, it could turn out that .38 Super doesn't disappear as fast as the popular stuff.
Posted by: Splunge at June 29, 2025 09:19 PM (ju/6W)

This is also why I own a .38 Super Rock Island 1911. I don't even like 1911's, but I own this one.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 29, 2025 09:24 PM (xcxpd)

236 The Persian Mauser reminds me of freezing-ass inventory counts in Georgia, VT.

I worked for a CPA firm in Burlington VT and one of our clients was Century Arms. Their HQ was down in Boca Raton (naturally) but their warehouse was in VT. We would spend a day or two every January observing their inventory count. It was in an old brick building with no heat, and it was not uncommon for it to be colder inside that building than outside. The workers had a heated break room, but most of their work was absolutely freezing.

We counted thousands of Mauser, thousands of M-1's tens of thousands of bayonets. I remember more current CETME's and such. Their hook was they only had to change X number of parts to make them sell-able in the US. This was 20+ years ago.

Since then, they've gone to a new heated warehouse and are selling mostly current manufacturered stuff. It was an interesting business model. And those poor workers used to freeze their asses off!

Posted by: 496 at June 29, 2025 09:24 PM (t+VLa)

237 On the bright side, if there is another supply crunch, it could turn out that .38 Super doesn't disappear as fast as the popular stuff.
Posted by: Splunge
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I've found that to be true on oddball rifle cartridges but the downside is once that initial stock disappears, it is a very long time before returning to the shelves.

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 09:26 PM (ctrM5)

238 Nite, Nite Weasel, and thank you for the GT!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at June 29, 2025 09:27 PM (CInEs)

239 Since then, they've gone to a new heated warehouse and are selling mostly current manufacturered stuff. It was an interesting business model. And those poor workers used to freeze their asses off!
Posted by: 496
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You forgot the best part. It was Century International Arms and if you had one of theirs, you could claim you bought it indirectly from the CIA (directly if you had a C&R license).

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 09:27 PM (ctrM5)

240 233 Civillian Blackhawk?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 09:22 PM
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Yes, but may be unrelated. Started its journey north from San Diego this morning.

Posted by: TRex at June 29, 2025 09:27 PM (IQ6Gq)

241 Twin Falls. Making a beeline. Rental.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 09:28 PM (UTqfK)

242 Reported that ‘modern sporting rifles’ were used.

It’s an op.

Posted by: Eromero at June 29, 2025 09:29 PM (LHPAg)

243 BlackHawk from San Diego? Only see gray-painted ones around here (Navy).

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 09:29 PM (1m82a)

244 Helps with dollar-cost investing, too!
Posted by: RI Red at June 29, 2025 08:09 PM (tez/p)

Ammo-Squared! Literal investing in ammo, with dollar-cost-averaging built in!

Posted by: GWB at June 29, 2025 09:29 PM (rFwz+)

245 243 BlackHawk from San Diego? Only see gray-painted ones around here (Navy).

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 09:29 PM
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This one is painted bright blue.
N82WL

Posted by: TRex at June 29, 2025 09:31 PM (IQ6Gq)

246 Thanks to Weasel for the thread.

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 09:33 PM (ctrM5)

247 Good choice. The 12 round mags will give your pinky a place to call home.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 29, 2025 08:07 PM (0sNs1)

Yes indeed. I held the 10 round model and it felt like a toy. This one fit nicely.

Posted by: windbag at June 29, 2025 09:33 PM (ixFbr)

248 That's the one seems to be landing at the airport.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 09:34 PM (UTqfK)

249 This is also why I own a .38 Super Rock Island 1911. I don't even like 1911's, but I own this one.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

How is the workmanship on it MAE? I've wanted one of those but ended up settling years ago on the more mundane 40 S&W. Brass and components were dirt cheap for a long while and still cheaper than 45 ACP. Reloading is more of a PITA though due to cartridge pressure and need to avoid any chance of bullet setback.

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 09:35 PM (ctrM5)

250 People on the mountain are being told to stay in place. Do not move around.
I bet an army of law enforcement are being sent up the mountain. And I bet the people who live there or most of them are armed. This could get even more serious. The area is rural and remote.

Posted by: Case at June 29, 2025 09:36 PM (ilX37)

251 Thanks for the Gun Thread, Weasel!

See y'all in the Morning Report.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 29, 2025 09:37 PM (Wnv9h)

252 Belly band. Sounds funky but it can work.
Posted by: GWB at June 29, 2025 09:18 PM (csaWj)

Thanks, but will it make my ass look fat?

Posted by: windbag at June 29, 2025 09:37 PM (ixFbr)

253 I think Rock Island 38Super 1911s are the ones I've seen are readily converted to 9mm. Intrigued me at one time. Still want a 9mm 1911 some day.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 09:37 PM (1m82a)

254 I slacked off on buying ammo after hitting 100K+ . I ran out of room to store it (its in the house), and the cheap surplus was mostly gone (bought it cheap, stacked it deep). I should not have stopped. I regret stopping.

I bought guns just for the cheap ammo at the time (tokarevs from all over : Russia, China, Romania, Poland, Yugoslavia , and pps-43's- all 7.62 x 25 mm ammo. I bought crates of ammo (1600 rounds a crate) for 7 cents a round. Still have a few crates.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at June 29, 2025 09:38 PM (1oXYU)

255 Going to jump to the end to comment. Love my 98/28 Persian. Almost had a saddle ring carbine but things didn't work out. I'm a mauser collector. I can't help myself.

sgammo is one of the better places to find ammo for these guys. Even though I prefer 7x57 or 6.5x55 generally.

Posted by: Jno Aubrey at June 29, 2025 09:40 PM (fIAUt)

256 PpS-43s? Nice, Walking Dude. Would love a PpSh-41 (or -40), but not much of a welder. A 20-something Russian immigrant guy at the range a few years back had a DP-27 he'd welded back together. Semi-auto, naturally. He had the pan magazines and was testing his 54R loads. Was nice to see.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 09:42 PM (1m82a)

257 Blackhawk belongs to CORPAT which is apparently National Car Rental? But they also rent other equipment.

I had no idea you could just rent a Blackhawk.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 29, 2025 09:42 PM (UpwUi)

258 Walking Dude I stacked the 54R deep back when it was cheap. Cost was also one reason I started rifles with Mosins. Rifle + 440 rounds of ammo = around $200 at the time. Never did get into east bloc handguns, aside from my CZ-83s.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 09:43 PM (1m82a)

259 Whig - at least one of the managers bought a revolver directly from them at cost. It was like $40. It was an old eastern European model, and probably a complete piece of junk, but I was always jealous of that.

Posted by: 496 at June 29, 2025 09:45 PM (t+VLa)

260 Hertz rent a Blackhawk.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 09:45 PM (UTqfK)

261 Scene at National Car's helo rental counter:

"Sorry sir, we don't have a Black Hawk, they're all out".

"Hmmm. What do you have?"

"Well there's an Apache."

"Same rate? Ammo included?"

"Yes sir."

"I'll take it!"

Posted by: rhomboid at June 29, 2025 09:45 PM (1m82a)

262 254 I slacked off on buying ammo after hitting 100K+ . I ran out of room to store it (its in the house), and the cheap surplus was mostly gone (bought it cheap, stacked it deep). I should not have stopped. I regret stopping.
Posted by: The Walking Dude
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Make sure you rotate that stuff. Powder deterioration can set in after about twenty to 30 years for double based powder and about 50 or so for single based. If you pull a bullet and it looks like rust or you see extensive corrosion, those are warning signs that the acid stabilizers are gone in the powder. In cannister powder, you can get the same thing if you get a really acrid smell and the powder is discolored. Dispose of it by using it as high nitrogen fertilizer for flowers but not food plants.

Father retired as a colonel after running ammo dumps (ordnance) for most of his career in the Big Green Machine. if you dig the publications up, ammo testing procedures are there.

Wet, heat, and/or caustic surrounds like nearness to an ocean can wreak havoc on ammo storage as well.

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 09:46 PM (ctrM5)

263 Sent that to both my sons and theyLOVE IT!
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 29, 2025 08:42 PM (mT+6a)

I expect at least one of your boys to get you a Tactical Otter for Christmas, now. I will disappointed otherwise.

Posted by: GWB at June 29, 2025 09:46 PM (uheo5)

264 259 Whig - at least one of the managers bought a revolver directly from them at cost. It was like $40. It was an old eastern European model, and probably a complete piece of junk, but I was always jealous of that.
Posted by: 496
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They still get those 'gunsmith' specials in now and again and they do sell antiques (as defined by firearm law) without requiring a FFL or C&R.

The C&R is worth it if you want to buy things like that as last time I checked, it was about 30 bucks for three years and they can send firearms on the C&R list directly to your house as you are technically a FFL in that case.

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 09:50 PM (ctrM5)

265 Oh, a consideration. A lot of folks bought old corroded case ammo and tumbled it to get rid of the corrosion. Some indication though that old powder, especially stick, can have its burn rate changed by tumbling.

If you fire some and it seems 'hot', break down the components and use them for reloading.

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 09:52 PM (ctrM5)

266 Forgive me, Whig - what is C& R? I am truly just a weekend warrior.

Posted by: 496 at June 29, 2025 09:53 PM (t+VLa)

267 To Boss Moss:
I'm in Twin Falls.

Posted by: Elrond Hubbard at June 29, 2025 09:53 PM (P0m9n)

268 Curio & Relic.

Duh

Posted by: 496 at June 29, 2025 09:53 PM (t+VLa)

269 268 Curio & Relic.

Duh
Posted by: 496

Sorry, easy to throw out acronyms which I did without explaining. Right now, Century Arms has been getting a lot of old Smith and Wesson revolvers in probably from abroad and many of them are now C&R models. You can also check retail at the Old Western Scrounger or Centerfire Systems in KY for some of those Century pistols if you have it sent to your dealer.

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 09:56 PM (ctrM5)

270 Good evening folks and good night.

Posted by: whig at June 29, 2025 09:57 PM (ctrM5)

271 Thanks for hearing it, Weasel! I felt bad finally commenting just to offer unsolicited advice.

Cow Demon, I don't disagree. But living ampng wolves, means we should keep our wolf cries accurate.

Posted by: .87c at June 29, 2025 09:57 PM (MbAOz)

272 It' near Something like Cannfield Mtn. across the lake from where they smoked the Aryan Nations Compound.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 29, 2025 09:58 PM (UTqfK)

273 I've found that to be true on oddball rifle cartridges but the downside is once that initial stock disappears, it is a very long time before returning to the shelves.
Posted by: whig

.270 Win seemed very resilient.
Maybe not trendy anymore but still common enough that everyone has it. Last two periods of completely bare shelves it seemed to be the last cartridge on the shelf... and from a boltie prolly not much different than today's darling 6.5 creedmore.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 29, 2025 09:59 PM (/lPRQ)

274 Nood - A bold new ONT!

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 29, 2025 10:04 PM (nHcc1)

275 Windbag, good choice on the Sig. If I’m out for a quick trip a good quality iwb holster works well as long as the shorts have a good drawstring. Go up a size on the t-shirt. Longer time I go with shorts and a belt.

Posted by: KDKong at June 29, 2025 10:06 PM (Bc40B)

276 Darn it, I dozed off. Thanks for all the mauser comments, nite all.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at June 29, 2025 11:32 PM (lSmzG)

277 Pfffttt Bozos married Dat broad??? I seen 47 better looking chick's riding atop da train into Tejas. Hahaha She is no Melania

Posted by: Captain Fantastic at June 29, 2025 11:34 PM (6Irx1)

278 Nic Update

Posted by: ShainS -- Digital Arsonist (former Stochastic Terrorist) at June 29, 2025 11:50 PM (qIN8E)

279 Nic update 2

Posted by: ShainS -- Digital Arsonist (former Stochastic Terrorist) at June 29, 2025 11:52 PM (arzIt)

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