Leftists Leak a Classified DIA Assessment of the Damage to the Iran Nuke Sites to Embarass Trump

Trump administration officials on Tuesday slammed a leaked preliminary intelligence assessment of the damage done to Iran's nuclear facilities by weekend US airstrikes that the president has touted as a massive success.

The classified Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) bomb damage assessment -- deemed a "low confidence" estimation of the effectiveness of Saturday's strikes on the Fordow, Isfahan and Natanz sites -- reportedly determined that Iran could bring its nuclear program back online as quickly as one to two months, according to Fox News.

On the high end, estimates indicate that Iran could restart uranium enrichment within a year, according to those who viewed the DIA report.

CNN, which first reported on the leaked classified document, noted that assessments are ongoing and could change, but the DIA believes Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium was not destroyed by the "bunker buster" bombs dropped on the nuclear facilities.

"This alleged 'assessment' is flat-out wrong and was classified as 'top secret' but was still leaked to CNN by an anonymous, low-level loser in the intelligence community," White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt wrote on X.

"The leaking of this alleged assessment is a clear attempt to demean President Trump, and discredit the brave fighter pilots who conducted a perfectly executed mission to obliterate Iran's nuclear program," she added.

"Everyone knows what happens when you drop fourteen 30,000 pound bombs perfectly on their targets: total obliteration," Leavitt argued.

The assessment was reportedly based on satellite images and electronic communications that have been intercepted since the strikes.

The report focuses on the damage done to Fordow, a facility buried under mountains south of Tehran, which was hit by 14 Massive Ordnance Penetrators.

The DIA reportedly assessed that the entrances to the facility caved in as a result of the strike, and that some infrastructure was destroyed, but that the Iranians could still dig out, repair or rebuild the site.

"Fordow is the last enrichment reactor that was operating there, and we put 12 bunker-buster bombs on Fordow. There's no doubt that it breached the canopy. There's no doubt that it was well within reach of the depth that these bunker-buster bombs go to, and there's no doubt that it was obliterated."

So according to the Deep State, Iran was simultaneously not building a nuclear bomb and able to quickly build a nuclear bomb in a few months.

"Intelligence" is whatever a communist traitor needs it to be at any given moment.

Trump says that leak was -- besides being an act of treason -- misleading, as the leaked report is preliminary and incomplete.

He cited Israel's own assessment of the effectiveness of the strike.

Israel confirmed Wednesday that the U.S. airstrike on Iran's Fordow nuclear site over the weekend caused severe damage, rendering the facility "inoperable." Israeli officials say the operation has significantly delayed Iran's nuclear ambitions.
Key Details:
The Israeli Prime Minister's Office said the U.S. strike destroyed key infrastructure at Fordow and crippled Iran's uranium enrichment capability at the site.
The statement, delivered on behalf of the Israel Atomic Energy Commission, concluded that combined U.S. and Israeli strikes have set Iran's nuclear weapons program back "by many years."
President Trump praised the success of the operation during remarks at the NATO summit in Brussels, calling it a "joint Israeli-American victory" and likening it to Israel's decisive 1967 Six Day War.
Diving Deeper:
On Wednesday, the Israeli government released an official statement confirming that a U.S. airstrike on Iran's Fordow nuclear facility had effectively shut down operations at the controversial site. The announcement came shortly after President Donald Trump previewed the findings during a press conference at the NATO summit in Brussels, noting that Israeli intelligence would provide details on the mission's results.
"The devastating U.S. strike on Fordow destroyed the site's critical infrastructure and rendered the enrichment facility inoperable," read the statement issued by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office on behalf of the Israel Atomic Energy Commission. The report concluded that the joint American and Israeli military campaign had "set back Iran's ability to develop nuclear weapons by many years."
Officials added that this delay in Iran's nuclear capabilities could continue "indefinitely," provided Tehran is prevented from obtaining new sources of nuclear material.

.@POTUS reads a letter from the Atomic Energy Commission of Israel, stating that "the devastating U.S. strike on Fordow destroyed the site's critical infrastructure and rendered the enrichment facility totally inoperable." pic.twitter.com/KDFjLJ5pJf
— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) June 25, 2025

🔥President Trump and @SecDef Pete Hegseth team up to deliver a DAMNING indictment of the fake news media's coverage of Operation Midnight Hammer:

HEGSETH: "The instinct of CNN, the instinct of the New York Times, is to try to find a way to spin it for their own political… pic.twitter.com/iYbDIvkw49
— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) June 25, 2025

OMG

Sec. of Def Pete Hegseth just OBLITERATED the fake news on the Iran bomb report

"Why is there 'low confidence'? Because all of the evidence of what was just bombed by twelve 30lb bombs, is BURIED UNDER A MOUNTAIN!..So if you want to make an 'assessment of what happened at… pic.twitter.com/nGansdHxsg
— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) June 25, 2025

"All of the evidence of what was just bombed, by twelve 30,000-pound bombs, is buried under a mountain, devastated and obliterated. So if you want to make an assessment of what happened at Fordow, you better get a big shovel and go really deep."

That from Twitchy.

Posted by: Ace at 01:14 PM

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1 SPONGE!

Posted by: Inogame at June 25, 2025 01:13 PM (53oGX)

2 I nooded

Posted by: Inogame at June 25, 2025 01:14 PM (53oGX)

3 CNN has so much credibility though.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 25, 2025 01:14 PM (ExV1e)

4 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at June 25, 2025 01:14 PM (GYt5+)

5 https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1937850112274780606

That's video of Hegseth saying that DOD and DOJ are working together to ID and criminally prosecute the leaker, by the way.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:15 PM (GBKbO)

6
By the way, I am curious how a 36-hour mission in a single-seat plane happens.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 25, 2025 01:16 PM (lCaJd)

7 https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1937850112274780606

That's video of Hegseth saying that DOD and DOJ are working together to ID and criminally prosecute the leaker, by the way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:15 PM (GBKbO)

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Excellent news. Make a bet this was set up so the administration could identify and remove such people?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 25, 2025 01:17 PM (tT6L1)

8 bring its nuclear program back online as quickly as one to two months"

So, which is it? Light damage or not nuke enrichment program?

Frankly, this smells like someone is smoking out low level DC idiots (of which there are many)

Posted by: man at June 25, 2025 01:17 PM (tubbA)

9 And will they find the leaker?
I have to think they expect leaks and have put in place tools/methods to track what’s leaked back to the source.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 25, 2025 01:17 PM (Hkcdp)

10
Arrest
Charge
Try
Convict
Execute

All publicly and all broadcast.

Above all, all expeditiously.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh! at June 25, 2025 01:17 PM (Tv15w)

11 7 Excellent news. Make a bet this was set up so the administration could identify and remove such people?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 25, 2025 01:17 PM (tT6L1)

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I doubt it. But that's just my way of thinking. They might've.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:18 PM (GBKbO)

12 1) Find who leaked and shoot them. No, that's not hyperbole.
2) Trump should be more circumspect in what he says, if he's not willing to show people the evidence.

The DIA reportedly assessed that the entrances to the facility caved in as a result of the strike, and that some infrastructure was destroyed, but that the Iranians could still dig out, repair or rebuild the site.

3) I don't understand this. Assuming the access tunnels have been collapsed, and the Iranians start trying to dig them out, hit the diggers with cruise missiles; lots of them. There's no more need to hit the center of the facility.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 25, 2025 01:18 PM (Riz8t)

13 "Operation Midnight Hammer"

[Makes "call me" gesture]

-- Paul Pelosi

Seriously, this name is an in-joke, right? There's no way whoever came up with that name didn't know about Paul Pelosi's midnight hammering.

Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 25, 2025 01:18 PM (iFTx/)

14 What got leaked was the worst case assessment. Since we can't actually get into Fordow to see what happened, there are going to be best, worst, and most likely 'best guess' assessments created.

Of course the embedded leftists in the IC are going to leak the worst case (and the least likely) scenario to the enemy agents, aka the MSM, and they would run with it as THE assessment.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at June 25, 2025 01:18 PM (JjOLF)

15 #7 beat me to it...

Posted by: man at June 25, 2025 01:18 PM (tubbA)

16 12 3) I don't understand this. Assuming the access tunnels have been collapsed, and the Iranians start trying to dig them out, hit the diggers with cruise missiles; lots of them. There's no more need to hit the center of the facility.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 25, 2025 01:18 PM (Riz8t)
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Ceasefire.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:18 PM (GBKbO)

17 So according to the Deep State, Iran was simultaneously not building a nuclear bomb and able to quickly build a nuclear bomb in a few months.

I was gonna say, their problem here is that this contradicts their previous position. Good thing their NPC army takes new firmware updates quickly.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 25, 2025 01:18 PM (2ocoG)

18 Thanks for the leak, TJM!

They have to expect this, it’s such a common thing with Republican presidents to have the IC burn them often.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 25, 2025 01:19 PM (Hkcdp)

19 Hopefully this is a mole hunt to flush out the leakers.

Posted by: Open Channel D at June 25, 2025 01:19 PM (gYnrv)

20 This just stinks to high heaven and I hope they find the leaker.

I do think Fordow was badly damaged.

Also ..willowed but:

444 If this guy actually gets elected, and I lived within a full tank of gas from NYC, I'd start looking for another place to call home.

yes Tammy. yep. one more year, just one more ...

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 25, 2025 01:19 PM (Pv3Rg)

21 I smell (Lt. Col.) Bearclaws!

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Unconditional Surrender Great Again! at June 25, 2025 01:19 PM (sbanZ)

22 "Ha! You missed our nuclear weapons...which, by the way, we totally don't have."

Posted by: Wally at June 25, 2025 01:19 PM (RIha9)

23 GatewayPundit had a video of Trump going after a CNN reporter.

John McCain and Mitt Romney are spinn___ in their graves. Well, McCain is....

Posted by: Stateless.. 44% - mental state clawing up from 10%, shit happened, clawing back now at June 25, 2025 01:20 PM (jvJvP)

24 Find them. Hang them.

Easy peasy.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at June 25, 2025 01:20 PM (i24o9)

25 Ceasefire.

yeah yeah right

again .. it's a "ceasefire"

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 25, 2025 01:20 PM (Pv3Rg)

26 3) I don't understand this. Assuming the access tunnels have been collapsed, and the Iranians start trying to dig them out, hit the diggers with cruise missiles; lots of them. There's no more need to hit the center of the facility.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 25, 2025 01:18 PM (Riz8t)
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Ceasefire.

Then make it a condition of the ceasefire that nobody tries to access the facility.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 25, 2025 01:20 PM (Riz8t)

27 Again, there are a number of groups within the IC/MIC blob that do all kinds of assessments. The most damaging assessment was leaked.

Having said that, if this facility was truly buried that deep under a mountain, then it more than likely survived and destroying access to the site may be sufficient to degrade the facility to a useless state.

Either way, hunt the leaker down, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 25, 2025 01:20 PM (XV/Pl)

28 You know who else had low confidence?

Posted by: fd at June 25, 2025 01:20 PM (vFG9F)

29 It's Schroedinger's Iran.

Simultaneously conducting only TOTALLY PEACEFUL uranium enrichment with no cause for Evil Orange Man to attack them, and still able to build a nuke within months because Evil Orange Man's strike was ineffective.

Even apart from that nonsense, this intelligence report was from 'satellite images and electronic communications that have been intercepted'.

Satellite tells you nothing but they were on target, and of course they're lying internally about how much damage was done because nobody wants to take the blame or tell Supreme Leader the truth.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at June 25, 2025 01:21 PM (setIA)

30 25 Ceasefire.

yeah yeah right

again .. it's a "ceasefire"
Posted by: Black Orchid at June 25, 2025 01:20 PM (Pv3Rg)

In Iran's case they have no fire

Posted by: It's me donna at June 25, 2025 01:21 PM (VE6XX)

31 Ceasefire.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:18 PM (GBKbO)

America never agreed to any ceasefire.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 25, 2025 01:21 PM (BjH5D)

32 Probably just one of a dozen “intelligence” assessments produced by people sitting in offices in DC. They don’t know shit, never have.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 25, 2025 01:21 PM (hfg0k)

33 So according to the Deep State, Iran was simultaneously not building a nuclear bomb and able to quickly build a nuclear bomb in a few months.

Ah, yes, the old switcheroo.

Posted by: dantesed at June 25, 2025 01:21 PM (Oy/m2)

34 Eh, send another round over, just to be safe. We paid billions of dollars for this shit, no point in letting it languish in storage.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 25, 2025 01:21 PM (Vvh2V)

35 DNI. This is Tulsi's shop...no???

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at June 25, 2025 01:22 PM (DmiaQ)

36 Prosecute CNN for receiving stolen property.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at June 25, 2025 01:22 PM (Vh9CX)

37 of course they're lying internally about how much damage was done because nobody wants to take the blame or tell Supreme Leader the truth.

Excellent point.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 25, 2025 01:22 PM (Riz8t)

38 The more I sit back and think about it, the madder I get. Nothing like leaking a report which not only paints the administration in a bad way, it also makes the pilots look like they engaged in a mission which was useless.

The pilots, most likely, trained hard for the mission then, when it was time for our B-2 pilots to do the job, they did so with precision and didn't lose a single bomber or crew during the operation.

Our men and women in the military deserve better than this.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 25, 2025 01:22 PM (tT6L1)

39 27 Again, there are a number of groups within the IC/MIC blob that do all kinds of assessments. The most damaging assessment was leaked.

Having said that, if this facility was truly buried that deep under a mountain, then it more than likely survived and destroying access to the site may be sufficient to degrade the facility to a useless state.

Either way, hunt the leaker down, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 25, 2025 01:20 PM (XV/Pl)

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Collapsing parts of it might kill power necessary to keep the UF6 at the appropriate temperature to keep it in its gaseous form.

I think it's possible real damage was done to the UF6 storage antechamber (which was specifically targeted) but also that no one actually knows anything.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:22 PM (GBKbO)

40 How much Fiill in the blanks did the Democrats Propaganda Ministry do?

Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2025 01:22 PM (+qU29)

41 I am curious how a 36-hour mission in a single-seat plane happens.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

The B-2 has a crew of two.

Posted by: Josephistan at June 25, 2025 01:22 PM (GM3CZ)

42
Of course the stockpile of uranium wasn't there, it's NOT A STORAGE FACILITY. Moving the stockpile is the easiest thing for the mullahs to do, moving the centrifuges not so much.

The centrifuges are toast at this point. They're precision instruments that don't mix well with high explosives. The shock alone is enough to bend driveshafts, dent bearing races, pop bearing lubrication seals etc. I wouldn't want to be anywhere within 1000 yards of one of those things when they restart it and spin it up to about 90,000 rpm.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 25, 2025 01:22 PM (y9nCu)

43
CNN: Trump Administration Lacks Confidence!

Posted by: ... at June 25, 2025 01:22 PM (sfdl6)

44 Is there a law against leaking top secret documents?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 25, 2025 01:22 PM (VAINm)

45 Whoops, I'm wrong again. Mea culpa

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at June 25, 2025 01:22 PM (DmiaQ)

46

I dont seem to recall these leaks when Old Joe fucked up Afghanistan.

Funny that.

The UK govt goes after it's citizens, France and other places run by Commies, and so does the US.

Who are they to criticize Putin.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at June 25, 2025 01:23 PM (et1vG)

47 I think the next thing we should drop on Fordow is the person that leaked that assessment. I'm sure many of our learned scholars about Israel here in the comments section will spray their prune juice all over the monitor when i say this:

I would sooner believe the assessment of the Israelis on the success of the strike than left leaning schmucks we now have in our intelligence community. Iran is a real threat to them; playing grab*ss with intel is something they really can't afford.

Posted by: Nelly at June 25, 2025 01:23 PM (cHLus)

48 Willowed.
109. I remember GUM, my aunt was a state social worker so had a card. When did they end, '65?
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Curious about GUM, was it actually government run, or was that just a hook, like USAA insurance.

Posted by: From about That Time at June 25, 2025 01:23 PM (n4GiU)

49 So what they are saying is we should bomb those sites some more.

That's how I read that.

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 25, 2025 01:23 PM (Lltdc)

50 Hey what part of the assessment shows Trump chickening out, or was that three lies ago?

Posted by: ... at June 25, 2025 01:23 PM (sfdl6)

51 So is the traitor going to be discovered, tried, and hanged? Because that would be nice.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 25, 2025 01:23 PM (Hyyh7)

52 Seal off the tunnel for a week or two.

Habib's goat-rectum and spoiled yogurt sandwich in the break room fridge will funk the place up so hard no one will ever be able to use it again.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 25, 2025 01:23 PM (BjH5D)

53 42
Of course the stockpile of uranium wasn't there, it's NOT A STORAGE FACILITY. Moving the stockpile is the easiest thing for the mullahs to do, moving the centrifuges not so much.

The centrifuges are toast at this point. They're precision instruments that don't mix well with high explosives. The shock alone is enough to bend driveshafts, dent bearing races, pop bearing lubrication seals etc. I wouldn't want to be anywhere within 1000 yards of one of those things when they restart it and spin it up to about 90,000 rpm.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 25, 2025 01:22 PM (y9nCu)

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Moving thousands of pounds of gaseous UF6 from the storage antechamber at Fordow is not like piling a bunch of bricks into the back of a truck.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:23 PM (GBKbO)

54 By the way, I am curious how a 36-hour mission in a single-seat plane happens.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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trucker bombs

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 25, 2025 01:23 PM (ITkJX)

55 I am curious how a 36-hour mission in a single-seat plane happens.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

The B-2 has a crew of two.

And a "bed" so one pilot can rest or sleep.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 25, 2025 01:23 PM (Riz8t)

56 He cited Israel's own assessment of the effectiveness of the strike.

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Tough call over whom to believe: Israeli intelligence or CNN?

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Unconditional Surrender Great Again! at June 25, 2025 01:23 PM (sbanZ)

57 I can almost guarantee that the "low confidence" assessment was the "worst-case scenario" section of a larger report that addressed all possible outcomes. All reports that attempt to determine what happened in a chaotic, almost unknowable situation will include all possible results.

There's probably a section in the whole report that says Fordow was bombed straight down to Satan's gay sex dungeon, that Iran won't have a nuke for at least 50 years, and that the Blade is gonna get lucky with a Mannix girl tonight.

Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 25, 2025 01:24 PM (iFTx/)

58 Trump says that leak was -- besides being an act of treason -- misleading, as the leaked report is preliminary and incomplete.

It may also have been worded so as to identify the leaker.

Posted by: t-bird at June 25, 2025 01:24 PM (MkLs2)

59 28 You know who else had low confidence?
Posted by: fd at June 25, 2025 01:20 PM (vFG9F)

This is about me right?

Posted by: Stuart Smally at June 25, 2025 01:24 PM (HFsIG)

60 I know Gen Mark Milley isn't involved in this particular act of treason, but I'd have him hung just on general principle.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at June 25, 2025 01:24 PM (z4+bR)

61 "Ooops, I lied again. Smirk. Sorry, not sorry. Suckers. Ha ha." - Krasnov (R-Felon/Rapist)

Trump mistook the bomb damage in Iran for the "obliteration" of his polling numbers. Hey, he's an old man, give him a break.

massive layoffs at dia on the way. isn't their job to tell dear leader what he wants to hear?

Trump has SUCCEEDED...in increasing Iran's desire to obtain atomic weapons for the purpose of self-defense. Nice work, Don-ho

What will Bibi do now? Aren't the nuke facilities the targets he has wanted to eliminate and the main reason he launched attacks 11 days ago? Will he keep the ceasefire now or launch new attacks?

Trump’s premature victory lap will go down as a historic embarrassment. He was so eager to claim a victory for his braying MAGA base that he totally jumped the gun.

“Trump just cancelled a classified House briefing on the Iran strikes with zero explanation. The real reason? He claims he destroyed ‘all nuclear facilities and capability;’ his team knows they can’t back up his bluster and BS,” Congressman Pat Ryan wrote on X.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at June 25, 2025 01:25 PM (7ZBK+)

62 The centrifuges are toast at this point. They're precision instruments that don't mix well with high explosives. The shock alone is enough to bend driveshafts, dent bearing races, pop bearing lubrication seals etc. I wouldn't want to be anywhere within 1000 yards of one of those things when they restart it and spin it up to about 90,000 rpm.

This is the likeliest scenario, IMHO. Of course, the damage would be that much worse if the centrifuges were spinning when the bombs hit, but I doubt even the Iranians are that stupid.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 25, 2025 01:25 PM (Riz8t)

63 Netflix has a new documentary on the 2013 "Poop Cruise" ship.

The most interesting thing about the whole mess is that CNN almost single-handedly created this whole international story out of basically nothing. It was a stranded cruise ship that was never in any actual danger. Yea .. so?

Yes, it sucked to be on a ship without power for 4 days. But I'm sure the story was embellished and hyped and made to seem much worse than it was. This was hardly a massive international story. But CNN made it one. They were always assholes.

Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 25, 2025 01:25 PM (iFTx/)

64 Looks like a canary trap that may revealed the traitorous canary.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at June 25, 2025 01:25 PM (cnBdQ)

65 @39

>>I think it's possible real damage was done to the UF6 storage antechamber (which was specifically targeted) but also that no one actually knows anything.

If the roads and access to the facility have been degraded or destroyed, it's going to be hard to re-establish those without it being noticed.

If a satellite spots earth moving equipment moving toward the site, then that's a Tomahwak strike, and keep tomahwak striking them until they are dust.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 25, 2025 01:25 PM (XV/Pl)

66 Ceasefire.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:18 PM (GBKbO)

Easy. Just declare any attempt to reopen Fordow as a breach of the ceasefire.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 25, 2025 01:25 PM (Hyyh7)

67 Trump mistook the bomb damage in Iran for the "obliteration" of his polling numbers. Hey, he's an old man, give him a break.

Nice try...

Posted by: It's me donna at June 25, 2025 01:26 PM (VE6XX)

68 Easy. Just declare any attempt to reopen Fordow as a breach of the ceasefire.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 25, 2025 01:25 PM

I'm sure it will be a humanitarian mission to rescue trapped janitors. No way are we bombing that.

Posted by: toby928 at June 25, 2025 01:27 PM (jc0TO)

69 I bet the report was only written in order to be leaked.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 25, 2025 01:27 PM (3OoOR)

70 This is the likeliest scenario, IMHO. Of course, the damage would be that much worse if the centrifuges were spinning when the bombs hit, but I doubt even the Iranians are that stupid.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 25, 2025 01:25 PM (Riz8t)
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Frightened cattle aren't all that willing to do anything without a direct order. If orders were not sent to shut down, then it may not have happened.

I see your point, truly but, with the Iranian regime, stupidity through fear can't be discounted.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 25, 2025 01:27 PM (tT6L1)

71 The left just can't admit that Trump is right, it's always something with them. At this point it's on purpose and that fits the definition of a mental condition.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 25, 2025 01:28 PM (e5NfL)

72 I am curious how a 36-hour mission in a single-seat plane happens.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

The B-2 has a crew of two.

And a "bed" so one pilot can rest or sleep.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 25, 2025 01:23 PM (Riz8t)

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I understand is that these B-2s are outfitted with a toilet a microwave oven, and a refrigerator and/or cooler for food, drinks, and snacks.

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Unconditional Surrender Great Again! at June 25, 2025 01:28 PM (sbanZ)

73 And a "bed" so one pilot can rest or sleep.

Bunker buster mattress topper.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at June 25, 2025 01:28 PM (ZSy9t)

74 I am curious how a 36-hour mission in a single-seat plane happens."

No Sh**

Posted by: Charles Lindbergh at June 25, 2025 01:28 PM (tubbA)

75 I hope this was one of those ops to flush out the leakers but I doubt it.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 25, 2025 01:28 PM (/y8xj)

76 Can we put the person who leaked this somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean likely infested with sharks?

Posted by: dantesed at June 25, 2025 01:29 PM (Oy/m2)

77 18 hour each way - 36 hours

Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 01:29 PM (g47mK)

78 69 I bet the report was only written in order to be leaked.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 25, 2025 01:27 PM (3OoOR)

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All I know about CIA analysts and their writings is that they get Admiral Halsey's decisions all wrong because Halsey's acted stupidly.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:29 PM (GBKbO)

79 >>> BREAKING NOW: 🚨 In a stunning turn of events, the charges of attempted k-dnapping, attempted arson, and abetting s-x traffi-king levied against Sean "P. Diddy" Comb’s HAVE BEEN DROPPED by prosecutors.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 25, 2025 01:02 PM (mlg/3)

Apparently one of the Diddy defense attorneys quit before the trial, saying he couldn't handle this case anymore. Anthony Ricci. And this man was one of the defense attorneys for Osama Bin Laden. How bad do you have to be that defending a terrorist is easier?

Posted by: LizLem at June 25, 2025 01:29 PM (gWBY1)

80 As I said last night at least it helps us uncover Vindmanns that are still working in our intelligence services.

Posted by: steevy at June 25, 2025 01:29 PM (YwEeS)

81 "All of the evidence of what was just bombed, by twelve 30,000-pound bombs, is buried under a mountain, devastated and obliterated. So if you want to make an assessment of what happened at Fordow, you better get a big shovel and go really deep."

I saw that earlier watching the press conference and laughed.

Good on Pete for lighting up the media.

And he's totally correct.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 25, 2025 01:29 PM (6ydKt)

82 No time and a half.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 25, 2025 01:29 PM (VAINm)

83 Your firepower not effective. Your people no good. The bomb not do anything. You lose.

Posted by: CNN Tonite with Tokyo Rose at June 25, 2025 01:30 PM (sfdl6)

84
Upcoming LinkedIn story: "This teenage girl built a uranium enrichment centrifuge using ordinary household utensils."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 25, 2025 01:30 PM (/HVsR)

85 Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at June 25, 2025 01:25 PM (7ZBK+)

And people think that a peaceful separation is possible with these folks.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at June 25, 2025 01:30 PM (i24o9)

86 First they were outraged he bombed them, now he didn’t bomb them enough. Next it will be that the bombs weren’t organically fair trade sourced from indigenous, trans, disabled, union workers.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 25, 2025 01:30 PM (hfg0k)

87 I see your point, truly but, with the Iranian regime, stupidity through fear can't be discounted.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 25, 2025 01:27 PM (tT6L1)

Not even stupidity necessarily.

You want to tell your boss you shut down the ayatollah's centrifuges because you were scared of infidel boom booms?

Such lack of faith in Allah's will is disturbing. Better get the Purity Police to visit you. And your family. And your sister's family. And your neighbors.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 25, 2025 01:30 PM (BjH5D)

88 Frightened cattle aren't all that willing to do anything without a direct order. If orders were not sent to shut down, then it may not have happened.

I see your point, truly but, with the Iranian regime, stupidity through fear can't be discounted.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 25, 2025 01:27 PM (tT6L1)

------------------

"You shut down the centrifuges of your own accord?"

* Forced to kneel and bang to the back of the head *

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Unconditional Surrender Great Again! at June 25, 2025 01:30 PM (sbanZ)

89
I understand is that these B-2s are outfitted with a toilet a microwave oven, and a refrigerator and/or cooler for food, drinks, and snacks.
Posted by: ShainS -- Make Unconditional Surrender Great Again! at June 25, 2025 01:28 PM (sbanZ)

And an Airman First Class E-3 stewardess?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 25, 2025 01:31 PM (y9nCu)

90 All I know about CIA analysts and their writings is that they get Admiral Halsey's decisions all wrong because Halsey's acted stupidly.

The world wonders?

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at June 25, 2025 01:31 PM (z4+bR)

91
The B-2 has a crew of two.
Posted by: Josephistan

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Ah, thanks.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 25, 2025 01:31 PM (lCaJd)

92 72 The B-2 has a crew of two.

And a "bed" so one pilot can rest or sleep.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 25, 2025 01:23 PM (Riz8t)
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I understand is that these B-2s are outfitted with a toilet a microwave oven, and a refrigerator and/or cooler for food, drinks, and snacks.
Posted by: ShainS

SO YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN HOUSE MIGRANT FAMILIES IN THEM!?!?!

Posted by: Zohran Mamdani at June 25, 2025 01:31 PM (JCZqz)

93 it's not just the leaker who is a treasonous POS

it's the slimebag who wrote the incorrect report

Posted by: kallisto at June 25, 2025 01:31 PM (dCxaZ)

94 84 Sounds like the latest Disney Marvel project...

Posted by: steevy at June 25, 2025 01:31 PM (YwEeS)

95 I guess there must've been a time or two when the U.S. identified & prosecuted a leaker. But I don't recall any. How's that search at SCOTUS for the Dobbs decision leaker coming along?

I DO remember leakers who bragged about what they'd done & got prosecuted. Snowden and his Army private buddy come to mind. But that's hardly the same as identifying them during the course of a criminal investigation.

Posted by: mnw at June 25, 2025 01:31 PM (kd60y)

96 @79

>>Apparently one of the Diddy defense attorneys quit before the trial.

I'm at a loss to understand how a defense attorney quitting would cause the prosecution to fold it's case and drop all charges.

Perhaps the prosecutors got a call from the same group that ordered Alex Acosta to drop charges on Epstein.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 25, 2025 01:32 PM (XV/Pl)

97 "Intelligence" is whatever a communist traitor needs it to be at any given moment.

right on point

Posted by: kallisto at June 25, 2025 01:32 PM (dCxaZ)

98 Also hilarious that they went from " Iran is not building any bombs" to " Ha ha you barely inconvenienced them from getting bombs"

Posted by: steevy at June 25, 2025 01:33 PM (YwEeS)

99 I am curious how a 36-hour mission in a single-seat plane happens.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

The B-2 has a crew of two.
Posted by: Josephistan

It also has sleeping quarters and a kitchen.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 25, 2025 01:33 PM (L8rQu)

100 Some clarifications commenters above may not know.

- It is suspected that it was used as storage because it was considered "impenetrable" (based on assumption that the USA would not bomb.

- UF6 is a solid at normal temps. It is heated to make gas to centrifuge

- There are satellite photos of dump trucks which indicate that they blocked entrances to help "secure" the facility, and that supports the thought that the enriched stockpile was down there.

- All it takes is a leak in the main halls and the whole place is a write off. There are lots of pipes and tanks and I think a leak quite likely.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 25, 2025 01:33 PM (3OoOR)

101 First they were outraged he bombed them, now he didn’t bomb them enough. Next it will be that the bombs weren’t organically fair trade sourced from indigenous, trans, disabled, union workers.

and that he declared peace without a Congressional Authorization.

Posted by: t-bird at June 25, 2025 01:33 PM (4/l8P)

102 I think poster "Nelly" needs to write a newsletter?

I like the cut o' her jib!

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 25, 2025 01:33 PM (Pv3Rg)

103 SO YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN HOUSE MIGRANT FAMILIES IN THEM!?!?!
Posted by: Zohran Mamdani at June 25, 2025 01:31 PM (JCZqz

"Hey, you want a free house in Bombay?"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 25, 2025 01:34 PM (BjH5D)

104 Auto pilot?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 25, 2025 01:34 PM (VAINm)

105 First they were outraged he bombed them, now he didn’t bomb them enough. Next it will be that the bombs weren’t organically fair trade sourced from indigenous, trans, disabled, union workers.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 25, 2025 01:30 PM (hfg0k)

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"They were not properly labeled with "BOMBS ARE KNOWN TO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA TO CAUSE CANCER, H8R! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Unconditional Surrender Great Again! at June 25, 2025 01:34 PM (sbanZ)

106 it's not just the leaker who is a treasonous POS

it's the slimebag who wrote the incorrect report

No, I'm not going to shoot the messenger. For all we know, that person gave his best analysis of what happened. He might weight things differently than others, or just be incompetent, but you benefit from a diversity of opinions. Arguing them out is the best way to get at the truth.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 25, 2025 01:34 PM (Riz8t)

107 Apparently one of the CNN reporters that "broke" the story about these leaks also covered up the Hunter Biden laptop case and said it was fake news.

I'm sorry, but none of them are trustworthy. If CNN says the sky is blue, I'm going to second guess it and go check for myself first. That's how bad they are.

Posted by: LizLem at June 25, 2025 01:34 PM (gWBY1)

108
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at June 25, 2025 01:30 PM (i24o9)

A guillotine results in a very peaceful separation.

Posted by: ... at June 25, 2025 01:34 PM (sfdl6)

109 They'll find the leaker.

Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 01:34 PM (g47mK)

110 106 No, I'm not going to shoot the messenger. For all we know, that person gave his best analysis of what happened. He might weight things differently than others, or just be incompetent, but you benefit from a diversity of opinions. Arguing them out is the best way to get at the truth.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 25, 2025 01:34 PM (Riz8t)

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From what I understand, it's a small part of the overall report.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:34 PM (GBKbO)

111 I'm at a loss to understand how a defense attorney quitting would cause the prosecution to fold it's case and drop all charges.

Perhaps the prosecutors got a call from the same group that ordered Alex Acosta to drop charges on Epstein.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 25, 2025 01:32 PM

They didn't drop all of the charges, just the most serious three of them. I suspect that the prosecutors are thinking that the jury isn't likely to convict him and they want the possibility for another bite of the apple.

The whole trial is a $hit show and the judge should have declared a mistrial when he found out the one guy lied big time so he could stay on the jury.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 25, 2025 01:34 PM (e5NfL)

112 It is truly amazing the delusional bubble of alternate reality the DUmmies live in. They just make up what they want to be the truth and cling to it as absolute truth, regardless of objective facts. And when their make-believe turns on a dime, even if it's to something opposite of their prior make-believe, or that can't logically coexist with some other aspect of their make-believe, they still cling to it as absolute truth. It goes beyond religious dogma to cult-like unquestioning fanaticism.

Posted by: Scientology has nothing on DU leftists at June 25, 2025 01:34 PM (TbWk/)

113 I would be for hunting the Leaker down then drawn and quartered that person.

Posted by: Skip at June 25, 2025 01:35 PM (+qU29)

114 The Liver King saga just got another entry. Liver King publicly demanded a fight with Joe Rogan, then travelled to Austin. Austin PD arrested him.

http://tiny.cc/8cyn001

Posted by: bonhomme at June 25, 2025 01:35 PM (lIio7)

115 Let's start a pool on what the leaker will look like.

Posted by: steevy at June 25, 2025 01:35 PM (YwEeS)

116 Take a shit, nuke a hot pocket, and get a little nap in on your way to blow a great big radioactive asshole in the middle of History.

I love America.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 25, 2025 01:36 PM (BjH5D)

117 Is Rubio leaning over to the podium as if to say, "Wrap it up"?

Posted by: m at June 25, 2025 01:36 PM (CQE5S)

118 it's not just the leaker who is a treasonous POS

it's the slimebag who wrote the incorrect report
Posted by: kallisto

How else would you find a leaker? They're not going to risk their lives for a 'Trump was right about everything" assessment.

Posted by: t-bird at June 25, 2025 01:36 PM (4/l8P)

119 The Japanese government initially claimed Little Boy didn't do much damage either. They still refused to surrender. So we dropped Fat Man.

I think the truth was more like the Japanese didn't initially believe the reports of the complete destruction of Nagasaki from one bomb. They couldn't conceive of a weapon that powerful. It was like alien tech. So the Japanese gov't figured it must be a hoax or psy op.

Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 25, 2025 01:36 PM (iFTx/)

120 While certainly in agreement with removing the low level loser leaker from her position as a human who exists, the war department exaggerating its capabilities beforehand and its achievements immediately afterward is believable, even likely.

Posted by: Oglebay at June 25, 2025 01:36 PM (MMp6W)

121 - There are satellite photos of dump trucks which indicate that they blocked entrances to help "secure" the facility, and that supports the thought that the enriched stockpile was down there.

I was thinking about that when I saw some pictures of the dirt piled at the entrances. I think that would contain the explosion, but presumably concentrate it inside the facility, worsening the damage.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 25, 2025 01:36 PM (Riz8t)

122 >>> I'm at a loss to understand how a defense attorney quitting would cause the prosecution to fold it's case and drop all charges.

Oh sorry Thomas, I wasn't trying to imply the two were related. Just that this trial has been a massive FUBAR from the get go.

Posted by: LizLem at June 25, 2025 01:36 PM (gWBY1)

123 I think another goal of the leak is to try and bring down public approval of the operation. Polling numbers moving from 90% approval to 80% would result in a week of headlines from the worthless media.

Posted by: toddg at June 25, 2025 01:37 PM (HsIYU)

124 All I know about CIA analysts and their writings is that they get Admiral Halsey's decisions all wrong because Halsey's acted stupidly.

I really liked how Captain Ramius dealt with the 'political' Captain of the boat when they started their defection; absolutely brutal and then blamed it on the guy slipping on a cup of tea.

Posted by: Nelly at June 25, 2025 01:37 PM (cHLus)

125 the Townhall.com video clip is just a masterful display of intelligence, integrity and plain speaking on the part of SecDef Hegseth.

And then the follow-up by Trump, who in a lowkey way, just reamed out those disgusting pondscum presstitutes...was...

chef's kiss

Posted by: kallisto at June 25, 2025 01:37 PM (dCxaZ)

126 A lot of vermin need to swing as object lessons.

Has CNN registered with FARA yet?

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 25, 2025 01:38 PM (9nkAn)

127 99 I am curious how a 36-hour mission in a single-seat plane happens.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

The B-2 has a crew of two.
Posted by: Josephistan

It also has sleeping quarters and a kitchen.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 25, 2025 01:33 PM (L8rQu)

And still cheaper per square foot than a cracker box studio apartment in Manhattan.

Posted by: Economical! at June 25, 2025 01:38 PM (TbWk/)

128 I'd love to find out that the B2 crews also dumped their in-flight toilet contents on Fordrow. Heh.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at June 25, 2025 01:38 PM (z4+bR)

129 I think the next thing we should drop on Fordow is the person that leaked that assessment.

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Strapped to a saddle atop a tactical nuke a la Major T. J. "King" Kong ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Unconditional Surrender Great Again! at June 25, 2025 01:39 PM (sbanZ)

130 Not even stupidity necessarily.

You want to tell your boss you shut down the ayatollah's centrifuges because you were scared of infidel boom booms?

Such lack of faith in Allah's will is disturbing. Better get the Purity Police to visit you. And your family. And your sister's family. And your neighbors.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 25, 2025 01:30 PM (BjH5D)
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There's no way to win. Shut down the centrifuges, bullet to the head, don't shut them down because afraid of bullet to the back of the head, get a bullet for not shutting things down.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 25, 2025 01:39 PM (tT6L1)

131 of course they're lying internally about how much damage was done because nobody wants to take the blame or tell Supreme Leader the truth.

Excellent point.
Posted by: Archimedes

Goes to X
tinyurl.com/2r6d77t6

Posted by: Stu Podaso at June 25, 2025 01:39 PM (iqLen)

132 I think I have a crush on Pete Hegseth.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 25, 2025 01:39 PM (tgnQN)

133
This report changes everything I thought I knew about Trump. It's now obvious his administration has failed catastrophically. I am bitterly sorry I voted for him.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 25, 2025 01:39 PM (/HVsR)

134 CNN'S report was written by Natasha Bertrand a deep state stenographer. She was big in the Russian collusion and wrote the story about Hunter's laptop being likely Russian disinformation per Intel sources. The deep state is still effing beith Trump

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 25, 2025 01:39 PM (pwtJC)

135 133
This report changes everything I thought I knew about Trump. It's now obvious his administration has failed catastrophically. I am bitterly sorry I voted for him.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 25, 2025 01:39 PM (/HVsR)

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I gave up on him when everyone died of the USAID cuts.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:40 PM (GBKbO)

136 If they try and dig out the site isn't it likely to be highly irradiated?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 25, 2025 01:40 PM (t0Rmr)

137 I bet the Israeli's have way better intel on this than we do. Actual human intel.

Posted by: steevy at June 25, 2025 01:40 PM (YwEeS)

138 Moving thousands of pounds of gaseous UF6 from the storage antechamber at Fordow is not like piling a bunch of bricks into the back of a truck.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:23 PM (GBKbO)

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From what I understand about the enriched uranium; Israel had intelligence that the Iranians had moved the supply to the Natanz Nuclear Facility, and/or the Isfahan Nuclear Technology Center.

Originally, Trump only wanted to bomb Fordow, but when the Israelis came up with that intelligence he was convinced to bomb the other two sites for that reason.

I'd share the article link but I've forgotten where I read it.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 25, 2025 01:40 PM (6ydKt)

139 Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 25, 2025 01:36 PM (iFTx/)

They were still pretty defiant after the second bomb. It wasn’t till they heard the Russians were moving towards them that they finally gave in.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 25, 2025 01:40 PM (hfg0k)

140 SecState Rubio's demeanor during the Hegseth lecture was that of a guy thinking," c'mon, man this is all so obvious. Do we really need to explain these basic facts of military life to these lowlife cretins?"

Posted by: kallisto at June 25, 2025 01:40 PM (dCxaZ)

141 Director of the MOSSAD , who rarely makes public statements, is very satisfied with the operation to neutralized Iran's nukkelar threat. Before you say anything about 10/7, MOSSAD deals with international threats, not internal threats, that is another set of agencies. Another thing I understand is they do not repeat their operations. That is part of training. So the drone base they established inside Iran, or the pagers, that will not be repeated.

Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 01:40 PM (g47mK)

142 69 I bet the report was only written in order to be leaked.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 25, 2025 01:27 PM (3OoOR)

Reminiscent of Rathergate.

Posted by: m at June 25, 2025 01:41 PM (CQE5S)

143
There's no way to win. Shut down the centrifuges, bullet to the head, don't shut them down because afraid of bullet to the back of the head, get a bullet for not shutting things down.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

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This is the story of big business.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 25, 2025 01:41 PM (/HVsR)

144 I gave up on him when he refused to help mow my lawn last week. Selfish bastard.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at June 25, 2025 01:41 PM (z4+bR)

145 Is Trump still sending troops or is that meme over too

Posted by: ... at June 25, 2025 01:41 PM (sfdl6)

146 More.

The centrifuges are probably pretty easy to rebuild and repair, if it weren't for contamination.

They have thousands of them and I assume a big part of their operations are maintenance and repair. Probably dozens each week. So if they are not spinning, and not contaminated, start up is not trivial, but not impossible -- a few months for factilitization (power, etc.) maybe a new cascade up and running every couple weeks so in a year or two they are back in operation.

But that is best case with no contamination. With contamination they are toast. Put a plug in it and move on.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 25, 2025 01:41 PM (3OoOR)

147 better get a big shovel and go really deep."

The Paolo, tanned rested and ready.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at June 25, 2025 01:41 PM (UpDO3)

148 Of course, the damage would be that much worse if the centrifuges were spinning when the bombs hit, but I doubt even the Iranians are that stupid.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 25, 2025 01:25 PM

Perhaps that was the main reason for the tight operational security?

Do you think Iran knew the planes were there and they should shut down the centrifuges before the first bomb actually hit?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 25, 2025 01:42 PM (HlyYF)

149 134 CNN'S report was written by Natasha Bertrand a deep state stenographer. She was big in the Russian collusion and wrote the story about Hunter's laptop being likely Russian disinformation per Intel sources. The deep state is still effing beith Trump
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 25, 2025 01:39 PM (pwtJC)

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Let's put this in perspective:

One of the key mouthpieces for approved leaks in the last two administrations got...this.

A low level partial report that was easily debunked the moment she posted it. She got nothing about the mission itself before, during, or after.

At the same time, part of the reason the reporting was so quickly dismissed was because it had her name on it.

Yeah, it's obvious that there are still leakers in the intelligence community, but, they seem to be pretty far down the chain of command, far from key decisions, and flagging complete shit in her face.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:42 PM (GBKbO)

150 These elites don't fear us enough. How can we as individuals ramp fear but don't go to jail.

Posted by: Dreamingrobot at June 25, 2025 01:42 PM (EyfuW)

151 Gaseous diffusion means corroded equipment that is radioactive if the power fails.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 25, 2025 01:42 PM (9nkAn)

152 Is Trump still sending troops or is that meme over too
Posted by: ... at June 25, 2025 01:41 PM

That won't happen until after he reinstates the draft.

Posted by: toby928 at June 25, 2025 01:42 PM (jc0TO)

153
But that is best case with no contamination. With contamination they are toast. Put a plug in it and move on.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 25, 2025 01:41 PM (3OoOR)

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Can you get them from Amazon?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 25, 2025 01:42 PM (/HVsR)

154 I'm at a loss to understand how a defense attorney quitting would cause the prosecution to fold it's case and drop all charges.

Oh sorry Thomas, I wasn't trying to imply the two were related. Just that this trial has been a massive FUBAR from the get go.
Posted by: LizLem at June 25, 2025 01:36 PM (gWBY1)
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It didn't help that some of the key prosecution witnesses -- much like in the Fat Harvey trials -- were exposed as opportunistic gold-diggers, star-fuckers, and hangers-on. P Diddy is scum and was always a known abuser. But everyone now claiming they were abused were literally begging for an invite to his parties.

Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 25, 2025 01:43 PM (iFTx/)

155 From what I understand about the enriched uranium; Israel had intelligence that the Iranians had moved the supply to the Natanz Nuclear Facility, and/or the Isfahan Nuclear Technology Center.

No biggie. Just send in Achmed with a broom.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 25, 2025 01:43 PM (Riz8t)

156 UF6 is a solid at normal temps"
Uranium Hexaflouride is also quite toxic and rather unstable. No one is easily moving it about... and especially if it gets wet.

Posted by: man at June 25, 2025 01:43 PM (tubbA)

157 114 The Liver King saga just got another entry. Liver King publicly demanded a fight with Joe Rogan, then travelled to Austin. Austin PD arrested him.

http://tiny.cc/8cyn001
Posted by: bonhomme at June 25, 2025 01:35 PM (lIio7)

It was bloody obvious to everyone who knows even a tiny bit about bodybuilding that the guy was on gear. And it possible had abdominal surgery for the rather impossible-looking six-pack he's got, but that's a lesser matter. He's a nut and a fraud though that much is certain.

Posted by: Liver, balls and Tren, just like our ancestors at June 25, 2025 01:43 PM (TbWk/)

158 Deploy the Zoomer Waffen.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 25, 2025 01:43 PM (VAINm)

159 Based on my assessment, fire from half a dozen 30k lb bombs can melt centrifuges. Even if they are not spinning.

Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 01:44 PM (g47mK)

160 Remember when Don Lemon told you he had to read wikileaks to you because it was illegal for you to do it yourself?

Posted by: ... at June 25, 2025 01:44 PM (sfdl6)

161 bob @100 with very useful info.

But I am sure I will end my run on the planet without almost anyone talking sensibly about intel assessments, better described as "estimates" in cases like this.

Cases vary wildly, but often you are trying to make educated guesses based on all your info. Info that in many cases is of uncertain validity. And in some cases you're battling active deception by the target entity.

But the bad fiction (all fiction) version of these things continues to shape the framework in which they are discussed. Head-shaking.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 25, 2025 01:44 PM (1m82a)

162 159 Based on my assessment, fire from half a dozen 30k lb bombs can melt centrifuges. Even if they are not spinning.
Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 01:44 PM (g47mK)

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If they can get to the centrifuges.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:44 PM (GBKbO)

163 This report changes everything I thought I knew about Trump. It's now obvious his administration has failed catastrophically. I am bitterly sorry I voted for him.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 25, 2025 01:39 PM (/HVsR)

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I gave up on him when everyone died of the USAID cuts.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:40 PM (GBKbO)
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Fake news. It was the tariffs -- remember them? -- that killed everyone.

Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 25, 2025 01:44 PM (iFTx/)

164 And still cheaper per square foot than a cracker box studio apartment in Manhattan.

Posted by: Economical! at June 25, 2025 01:38 PM (TbWk/)

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Zohran Mamdami is Promising to Mandate Common-Sense B-2 Cockpit Rent Control!

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Unconditional Surrender Great Again! at June 25, 2025 01:44 PM (dTh6J)

165 We still hang traitors right?
(Pretty sure that line came from A Few Good Men)

Posted by: Defenestratus at June 25, 2025 01:44 PM (WYStd)

166 Trump never misses an opportunity to call the DS "news" outlets, 'sick people, very sick'

lolol

Posted by: kallisto at June 25, 2025 01:44 PM (dCxaZ)

167 163 Fake news. It was the tariffs -- remember them? -- that killed everyone.
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 25, 2025 01:44 PM (iFTx/)

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That's how my granny died! When people refused to wear a mask and started spreading tariffs around!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:45 PM (GBKbO)

168 That won't happen until after he reinstates the draft.
Posted by: toby928

And ends Social Security and Medicare to pay for it.

Posted by: t-bird at June 25, 2025 01:45 PM (FdyuK)

169 Do you think Iran knew the planes were there and they should shut down the centrifuges before the first bomb actually hit?

I don't know, but I think the tunnels have blast doors, so I would have had those closed, and (with permission) spun down the centrifuges.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 25, 2025 01:45 PM (Riz8t)

170 Fake news. It was the tariffs -- remember them? -- that killed everyone.
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 25, 2025 01:44 PM (iFTx/)

I'm still dead and still stacking the bodies like cord wood from the repeal of Net Neutrality!!!!

Posted by: Defenestratus at June 25, 2025 01:45 PM (WYStd)

171 My favorite part was that the centrifuges were "largely intact."

Oh?

By what method was this confirmed?

But, the word "largely" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

"Largely" in the way that your car is largely intact after the engine throws a rod or blows the transmission.

Largely intact, completely non-functional.
99% of your car works just fine!

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 25, 2025 01:45 PM (UImIR)

172 If they can get to the centrifuges.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:44 PM (GBKbO)

why wouldn't they ? had enough data to send them precisely into the facility

Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 01:46 PM (g47mK)

173
18 hour each way - 36 hours
Posted by: runner

How many refuelings?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 25, 2025 01:46 PM (63Dwl)

174 If they try and dig out the site isn't it likely to be highly irradiated?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 25, 2025 01:40 PM (t0Rmr)

U235 has a natural radioactive decay mechanism (can't recall, didn't look it up), which poses far less of a radioactivity threat than all the radioactive decay products (which contain a spectrum of radioactive elements, not just U235) from a nuclear fission blast of U235.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at June 25, 2025 01:46 PM (i24o9)

175 My favorite part was that the centrifuges were "largely intact."
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Like LA during the riots....

Posted by: ... at June 25, 2025 01:46 PM (sfdl6)

176 I have been a conservative all my life.

Now... I still like big tits and watching shit blow up.

Thank you.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 25, 2025 01:47 PM (YUL+W)

177 Uranium Hexaflouride is also quite toxic and rather unstable. No one is easily moving it about... and especially if it gets wet.

Posted by: man at June 25, 2025 01:43 PM

It is also extremely corrosive and once the containment vessel is breached or destroyed it's all over. The site will be heavily contaminated and will require an enormous amount of time and money to get it back up and running.

Granted iran like russia will just use convicted criminals to do the literal dirty work but it will still take years to get that facility back up and running.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 25, 2025 01:47 PM (e5NfL)

178 Anyone getting near the bombed out nuclear sites takes a bullet from space in the head.

Posted by: Oglebay at June 25, 2025 01:47 PM (MMp6W)

179 Anyone fingered as the person(s) who released the DIA assessment? Seems that would be prudent.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 25, 2025 01:47 PM (Q4IgG)

180 How many refuelings?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 25, 2025 01:46 PM (63Dwl)

every 6 hours

Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 01:47 PM (g47mK)

181 Anyone fingered as the person(s) who released the DIA assessment?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 25, 2025 01:47 PM (Q4IgG)

I'd guess not in the last 20 years or so.

Posted by: ... at June 25, 2025 01:47 PM (sfdl6)

182 so at least 6 times for a 38 h rt

Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 01:47 PM (g47mK)

183 The centrifuges are toast at this point. They're precision instruments that don't mix well with high explosives. The shock alone is enough to bend driveshafts, dent bearing races, pop bearing lubrication seals etc. I wouldn't want to be anywhere within 1000 yards of one of those things when they restart it and spin it up to about 90,000 rpm.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 25, 2025 01:22 PM (y9nCu)

This. Even if the bombs didn't penetrate the actual space those centrifuges were in, six tons of explosive shock is going to fuck them up permanently.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at June 25, 2025 01:48 PM (g8Ew8)

184 How many refuelings?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 25, 2025 01:46 PM (63Dwl)

*gets out pencil and paper*

What kinda miles to the gallon do those thing get?

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 25, 2025 01:48 PM (YUL+W)

185 36 that is

Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 01:48 PM (g47mK)

186 179 Anyone fingered as the person(s) who released the DIA assessment? Seems that would be prudent.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 25, 2025 01:47 PM (Q4IgG)

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I don't believe they have fingered her yet.

Posted by: Oglebay at June 25, 2025 01:48 PM (MMp6W)

187 Raw Uranium is not that radioactive. That’s why there is some left in the Earth. The short lived fission products are the nasty ones. Uranium is highly toxic though.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 25, 2025 01:48 PM (hfg0k)

188 18 hour each way - 36 hours
Posted by: runner

Using our best aircraft carrier, The Continent of North America.

Posted by: t-bird at June 25, 2025 01:49 PM (Y+sVZ)

189 you can build a pretty good profile of the leaker; I can help them, look for blue hair and a nose ring

Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 01:49 PM (g47mK)

190 156 UF6 is a solid at normal temps"
Uranium Hexaflouride is also quite toxic and rather unstable. No one is easily moving it about... and especially if it gets wet.

Posted by: man at June 25, 2025 01:43 PM (tubbA)

Sounds like we should've sent in those big water drop planes from California about a half hour after the B-2s went by.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 25, 2025 01:49 PM (6ydKt)

191 Radioactive decay mode of U235 is alpha decay, which is short range and not as energetic (potentially biologically damaging) as other forms of radioactive decay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_decay

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at June 25, 2025 01:49 PM (i24o9)

192 172 If they can get to the centrifuges.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:44 PM (GBKbO)

why wouldn't they ? had enough data to send them precisely into the facility
Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 01:46 PM (g47mK)

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MOPs aren't magic and can't pass through rock without resistance.

If the chambers are far enough underground, no number of MOPs are going to get to it.

And look at the pictures of the impact sites. They're not huge craters. They're well-defined holes where the ordnance hit the earth, the explosion happening exclusively underground. If you send a MOP after another, can the second MOP go further through the material than the first one did, especially if the first one didn't actually move any earth out of the way?

It no longer being solid rock but debris underground could the conditions allow greater passage, and how far down?

The US/Israeli intel is talking very confidently, so that's something. The anonymous sources from Iran are talking very pessimistically, so that's also something.

But the physics still make me wonder if it's really only making the place immediately inaccessible instead.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:50 PM (GBKbO)

193 . Uranium is highly toxic though.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 25, 2025 01:48 PM (hfg0k)

You're telling me

Posted by: Marie Curie at June 25, 2025 01:50 PM (VE6XX)

194 Another front pushing against Trump.
Struggling to not look like a Dem shill.
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Fed Powell told Congress that Fed and Co. are struggling to determine how much tariffs will impact inflation.
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Posted by: braenyard- Some friends are more equal than others at June 25, 2025 01:50 PM (c35xG)

195
Those centrifuges are a sturdy and robust as my printer!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 25, 2025 01:50 PM (/HVsR)

196 As noted by bob and others above, the bonus factor here is contamination. Can greatly complicate recovery/rehab in various of the sites that were hit.

There's a tunnel complex at Isfahan that was not hit with penetrating ordnance. That's another factor here that's not much discussed.

In any case Israel hit the entire nuke enrichment chain, not just Fordow - and they also hit some weaponization sites (Parchin, the only non-air defense site hit in Israel's initial raid last year, is/was a key weaponization facility, involving explosives testing related to creating a workable weapon).

Israel has made it clear they will "mow the lawn" as much as they deem necessary. Which, barring regime collapse, will likely be happening.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 25, 2025 01:50 PM (1m82a)

197 184 How many refuelings?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 25, 2025 01:46 PM (63Dwl)

*gets out pencil and paper*

What kinda miles to the gallon do those thing get?

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 25, 2025 01:48 PM

I bet they got MUCH better mileage on the way home ... after they jettisoned 60,000 pounds of ballast in Iran.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 25, 2025 01:51 PM (HlyYF)

198 You know that old Japanese soldier that was alone on an island all those years and he didn't know the war was over.

Trump's fault.

Posted by: Dreamingrobot at June 25, 2025 01:51 PM (EyfuW)

199 I saw linked here somewhere (yesterday or today’s morning report) about China being the biggest threat due to a weakening of Russia (maybe another country too). And I thought, huh? What’s going on in Russia? (Besides the obvious usual stuff). Their economy finally deflating a bit after the boost in defense spending?

Posted by: H at June 25, 2025 01:51 PM (2gjbv)

200 How many refuelings?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 25, 2025 01:46 PM (63Dwl)

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"We wouldn't have to worry about that if they were all-electric."

/Gen. Milley Vanilli

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Unconditional Surrender Great Again! at June 25, 2025 01:51 PM (dTh6J)

201
The B-2 has, unfortunately, very restricted overhead storage capacity.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 25, 2025 01:52 PM (/HVsR)

202 But the physics still make me wonder if it's really only making the place immediately inaccessible instead.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:50 PM (GBKbO)

you have doubts , I can tell

Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 01:52 PM (g47mK)

203 Using our best aircraft carrier, The Continent of North America.

Posted by: t-bird at June 25, 2025 01:49 PM

I heard that one is pretty difficult to sink!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 25, 2025 01:52 PM (HlyYF)

204 The B-2's were refueled immediately after takeoff as they had to limit the fuel onboard whilst carrying two MOPs just to get airborne.

Standard procedure. But the 6-7 refuelings seems right.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 25, 2025 01:52 PM (Q4IgG)

205 I'm so old I remember when mentioning the name of a CIA analyst, let alone a classified intelligence briefing, launched a multi-year investigation with prison time for the person (falsely) identified as originally leaking it.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 25, 2025 01:52 PM (t0Rmr)

206 Aaaannnd it's a physics thread.

Posted by: Which is kinda like math... at June 25, 2025 01:52 PM (PQB+n)

207 Would it have been wrong to drop conventional chlorine gas in the craters after the MOPs?

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 25, 2025 01:52 PM (YUL+W)

208 Fed Powell told Congress that Fed and Co. are struggling to determine how much tariffs will impact inflation.
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Posted by: braenyard- Some friends are more equal than others at June 25, 2025 01:50 PM (c35xG)

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What's this determining BS? Did they have the climate model team put together an assumption model for the Fed?

Posted by: Oglebay at June 25, 2025 01:52 PM (MMp6W)

209 202 But the physics still make me wonder if it's really only making the place immediately inaccessible instead.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:50 PM (GBKbO)

you have doubts , I can tell
Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 01:52 PM (g47mK)

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Everyone has reasons to lie about this.

I take everything said about it with a grain of salt.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:53 PM (GBKbO)

210 TMJ yes, one approach to deep penetration is to "mine" the impact point with repeated hits, so that each bit of ordnance digs a path for the following bomb. Given the hole count at Fordow, doesn't look like that tactic was used.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 25, 2025 01:53 PM (1m82a)

211 Aaaannnd it's a physics thread.

Posted by: Which is kinda like math... at June 25, 2025 01:52 PM (PQB+n)

Bobs.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at June 25, 2025 01:53 PM (i24o9)

212 Pre-drilled air shafts for your convenience.

Posted by: DaveA at June 25, 2025 01:53 PM (FhXTo)

213 199 I saw linked here somewhere (yesterday or today’s morning report) about China being the biggest threat due to a weakening of Russia (maybe another country too). And I thought, huh? What’s going on in Russia? (Besides the obvious usual stuff). Their economy finally deflating a bit after the boost in defense spending?

Russia is a power only because of nukes. Ukraine has not been kind to their attempts to project an image of invincibility.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 25, 2025 01:53 PM (Riz8t)

214 We talkin' deep penetration in this thread now?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at June 25, 2025 01:53 PM (t0Rmr)

215 203 Using our best aircraft carrier, The Continent of North America.

Posted by: t-bird at June 25, 2025 01:49 PM

I heard that one is pretty difficult to sink!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 25, 2025 01:52 PM (HlyYF)

Not according to my information ...

Posted by: Rep. Hank Johnson at June 25, 2025 01:54 PM (TTAGa)

216 Those centrifuges are a sturdy and robust as my printer!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 25, 2025 01:50 PM (/HVsR)

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Brings back good memories of the Stuxnet Virus.

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Unconditional Surrender Great Again! at June 25, 2025 01:54 PM (dTh6J)

217 210 TMJ yes, one approach to deep penetration is to "mine" the impact point with repeated hits, so that each bit of ordnance digs a path for the following bomb. Given the hole count at Fordow, doesn't look like that tactic was used.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 25, 2025 01:53 PM (1m82a)

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It'd be cool if the site was actually destroyed.

I'm just going to want to see more than educated guesses from nerds in the CIA basement before I get on board with cheerleading.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:54 PM (GBKbO)

218 Aetius chlorine gas is non-persistent and sort of a wimpy chemical weapon. Wouldn't change anything. Producing contamination at the sites for the reasons discussed by others above is the true bonus factor here.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 25, 2025 01:54 PM (1m82a)

219 I take everything said about it with a grain of salt.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:53 PM (GBKbO)

Probably wise.

Are you feeling well?

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 25, 2025 01:54 PM (YUL+W)

220 The stuff you really have to worry about are the byproducts like cesium and radioactive strontium. Those are produced by nuclear reactions and are deadly at low quantities

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 25, 2025 01:54 PM (pwtJC)

221 Those centrifuges are a sturdy and robust as my printer!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 25, 2025 01:50 PM (/HVsR)

HP would install new software on them requiring them to only use HP branded Uranium Hexaflouride or the centrifuges stop working.

Wait, somebody already did that with Stuxnet about 15 years ago.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 25, 2025 01:55 PM (6ydKt)

222 201
The B-2 has, unfortunately, very restricted overhead storage capacity.

Don't get me started on their selection of in-flight movies.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 25, 2025 01:55 PM (Riz8t)

223 Alpha particles are very biologically damaging. They are very low penetrating. They can be stopped by a sheet of paper. If that was your skin, it would damage it quite a bit. It just wouldn’t go past it.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 25, 2025 01:55 PM (hfg0k)

224 Even more.

The fact that they blocked the entrances with dirt indicates that (a) they had vulnerabilities that needed to be protected. and (b) the dirt was not sufficient for the USA bombs.

This is really all you need to know.
It also means the centrifuges were probably shut down, but that makes no difference. (Oh, BTW, I imagine even after just a full shutdown they need many months to get back up to speed. The leaked BDA seems really stupid.)

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 25, 2025 01:55 PM (3OoOR)

225 219 I take everything said about it with a grain of salt.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:53 PM (GBKbO)

Probably wise.

Are you feeling well?
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 25, 2025 01:54 PM (YUL+W)

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Actually no.

Came back from Epic Universe with some kind of bug.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:55 PM (GBKbO)

226 How many refuelings?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 25, 2025 01:46 PM (63Dwl)

*gets out pencil and paper*

What kinda miles to the gallon do those thing get?
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 25, 2025 01:48 PM (YUL+W)

If another fully fueled B2 leaves Rammstein at 0400 headed in the opposite direction at the same speed, at what time will the planes' remaining fuel loads be the same?

Posted by: Word problems. I hate them. at June 25, 2025 01:55 PM (TbWk/)

227 Aaaannnd it's a physics thread.

Posted by: Which is kinda like math... at June 25, 2025 01:52 PM (PQB+n)

Bobs.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at June 25, 2025 01:53 PM (i24o9)

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Slide-Boobs.

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Unconditional Surrender Great Again! at June 25, 2025 01:56 PM (dTh6J)

228 But the physics still make me wonder if it's really only making the place immediately inaccessible instead.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
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Interesting that before the bombing you were proposing the opposite.

Posted by: braenyard- Some friends are more equal than others at June 25, 2025 01:56 PM (c35xG)

229 203 Using our best aircraft carrier, The Continent of North America.

Posted by: t-bird at June 25, 2025 01:49 PM

I heard that one is pretty difficult to sink!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 25, 2025 01:52 PM

She seems pretty stable but we should check with Hank Johnson first and see if he thinks it'll tip over enough weight is added.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 25, 2025 01:56 PM (6ydKt)

230 Alpha particles are very biologically damaging. They are very low penetrating. They can be stopped by a sheet of paper. If that was your skin, it would damage it quite a bit. It just wouldn’t go past it.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 25, 2025 01:55 PM (hfg0k)

Yeah, point is that it is not going to be like trying to clean up Chernobyl or Fukushima.

Just put on your anti-contamination get up and grab the Swiffer.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at June 25, 2025 01:57 PM (i24o9)

231
"Collapsed the entrances."
The Fordow bomb impact images shown are not at the entrances.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 25, 2025 01:57 PM (+sEI/)

232 Aaaannnd it's a physics thread.

Big Badda Bang

Posted by: Lelu Dallas at June 25, 2025 01:57 PM (VE6XX)

233 How many refuelings?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 25, 2025 01:46 PM (63Dwl)

*gets out pencil and paper*

What kinda miles to the gallon do those thing get?
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 25, 2025 01:48 PM (YUL+W)

If another fully fueled B2 leaves Rammstein at 0400 headed in the opposite direction at the same speed, at what time will the planes' remaining fuel loads be the same?

But B-2s are non-migratory

Posted by: Josephistan at June 25, 2025 01:57 PM (GM3CZ)

234
The centrifuges are probably pretty easy to rebuild and repair, if it weren't for contamination.

They have thousands of them and I assume a big part of their operations are maintenance and repair. Probably dozens each week. So if they are not spinning, and not contaminated, start up is not trivial, but not impossible -- a few months for factilitization (power, etc.) maybe a new cascade up and running every couple weeks so in a year or two they are back in operation.

But that is best case with no contamination. With contamination they are toast. Put a plug in it and move on.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 25, 2025 01:41 PM (3OoOR)

Those things run at about 90,000 rpm. The tiniest fault with the bearings, driveshaft, motors etc, and it turns into a pedo van-sized grenade. Think of what happens with a car engine if the camshaft or driveshaft gets bent or damaged. Less than 10k rpm, and sometimes it'll grenade bad enough to blast a piston through the engine block and hood.

It'd probably be easier to scrap the ones that got hammered by the shock wave and replace them with new units. The contamination issue is just the cherry on top of the banana split.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 25, 2025 01:57 PM (y9nCu)

235 My take as an engineer -
Warhead explosions in the excavated spaces at Fordow and Natanz (?) may not be necessary to collapse them or destroy their contents. Progressive fracturing of the overhead rock and the shockwaves and vibrations transmitted through rock above the caverns, by bomb after bomb, each going deeper than the one before, could cause the cavern roofs, sides, and floors to collapse.

Assuming Mossad has reasonably up-to-date as-built blueprints of the excavated and reinforced caverns and tunnels. And they are shared with our DoD. Structural math models can be made of the entire underground complex. Stolen Iranian geologic surveys (and perhaps Mossad-placed surface seismic sensors) provide more information. Tests of MOPs on similar rock formations in Nevada or Arizona provide still more data to refine the models. With the help of Israeli and US geologists, mining engineers, and ordnance experts, a high-confidence plan to collapse the caverns using X number of MOPs can be formulated.

Posted by: Gref at June 25, 2025 01:57 PM (aBgBM)

236 I believe solid rock is much more difficult to penetrate with a MOP weapon compared to unconsolidated material.

However, I know with certainty that solid rock will transmit seismic energy MUCH more efficiently than unconsolidated material.

If the weapons did not penetrate as much as we hoped, then the explosive shock was hopefully still delivered sufficiently to the underlying facilities.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 25, 2025 01:57 PM (HlyYF)

237 228 But the physics still make me wonder if it's really only making the place immediately inaccessible instead.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
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Interesting that before the bombing you were proposing the opposite.
Posted by: braenyard- Some friends are more equal than others at June 25, 2025 01:56 PM (c35xG)

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No, I wasn't. I'm talking in line with what I was saying before.

That bombing a site like Fordow probably won't actually take out what's 400m under the surface when MOPs can only go 100m under ground.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:57 PM (GBKbO)

238 I'm so old I remember when mentioning the name of a CIA analyst, let alone a classified intelligence briefing, launched a multi-year investigation with prison time for the person (falsely) identified as originally leaking it.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 25, 2025 01:52 PM (t0Rmr)

Back when the Left was still pretending to be super duper patriotic and stuff. When did that end anyway? I peg it as right around Benghazi.

Posted by: ... at June 25, 2025 01:58 PM (sfdl6)

239 I wonder if this document was 'bait' to help weed out moles.

Posted by: MacRadDoc at June 25, 2025 01:58 PM (IiVPQ)

240 U235 has a natural radioactive decay mechanism (can't recall, didn't look it up), which poses far less of a radioactivity threat than all the radioactive decay products (which contain a spectrum of radioactive elements, not just U235) from a nuclear fission blast of U235.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder

Like Seinfeld's soup nazi, "You come back. One year!"

Posted by: rickb223 at June 25, 2025 01:58 PM (zSKXS)

241 132 I think I have a crush on Pete Hegseth.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Me too, girlfriend. Don't tell Chasten or the media!

Posted by: Pete Buttigieg at June 25, 2025 01:58 PM (JCZqz)

242 TMJ most intel estimates are educated guesses. Something the public can't/won't understand - of course it's never explained that way so they only have bad fiction to go on.

Cheerleading is always dumb anyway.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 25, 2025 01:59 PM (1m82a)

243 no point in letting it languish in storage.

How bad does a rotten bunker-buster smell... It'll bring the roof down.

Posted by: DaveA at June 25, 2025 01:59 PM (FhXTo)

244 PI, we are on a mind-meld! Yow!

Posted by: Gref at June 25, 2025 01:59 PM (aBgBM)

245 Brings back good memories of the Stuxnet Virus.

Posted by: ShainS -- Make Unconditional Surrender Great Again! at June 25, 2025 01:54 PM (dTh6J)

It's like a mind meld in here some days.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 25, 2025 01:59 PM (6ydKt)

246 Kinda wish Pooky wasn't napping right now so he could share knowledge. The one thing he did share after seeing a video of one of the explosions was that there's fallout, the question is how bad, and that's determined by how close the uranium was to the surface.

Once again, pray for his old unit, who probably has been working round the clock for at least two weeks now.

Posted by: pookysgirl, glad Pooky got out at June 25, 2025 01:59 PM (Wt5PA)

247 "We wouldn't have to worry about that if they were all-electric."

/Gen. Milley Vanilli

12 * 30,000 lbs of EV batteries would have burned a hole to the center of the Earth.

Posted by: t-bird at June 25, 2025 02:00 PM (tPOKY)

248 Jambalaya!!

Posted by: Newman at June 25, 2025 02:00 PM (PQB+n)

249 242 TMJ most intel estimates are educated guesses. Something the public can't/won't understand - of course it's never explained that way so they only have bad fiction to go on.

Cheerleading is always dumb anyway.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 25, 2025 01:59 PM (1m82a)

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I want Jack Ryan parachuted in, to meet up with John Clark, and to get into the facility themselves to get the intel.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 02:00 PM (GBKbO)

250 "All of the evidence of what was just bombed, by twelve 30,000-pound bombs, is buried under a mountain, devastated and obliterated. So if you want to make an assessment of what happened at Fordow, you better get a big shovel and go really deep."

So we can't know?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 25, 2025 02:00 PM (4/BuS)

251 If they try and dig out the site isn't it likely to be highly irradiated?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 25, 2025 01:40 PM (t0Rmr)

U235 has a natural radioactive decay mechanism (can't recall, didn't look it up), which poses far less of a radioactivity threat than all the radioactive decay products (which contain a spectrum of radioactive elements, not just U235) from a nuclear fission blast of U235.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at June 25, 2025 01:46 PM (i24o9)

U-235 alpha decays to Thorium. From then on its either alpha or beta decays to reduce the neutron excess from the nucleus. (the heavier a nucleus the more bonus neutrons are needed to keep it remotely stable).

Posted by: Oldcat at June 25, 2025 02:00 PM (8avO+)

252 Madison's taking a ton of abuse in here lately. You love to see it. That will teach you to like crappy movies.

Posted by: ... at June 25, 2025 02:00 PM (sfdl6)

253 I was so glad to see Hegseth - been trying to tell people that online since it first came out.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 25, 2025 02:01 PM (uWKK8)

254
the first one didn't actually move any earth out of the way?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison

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How does a MOP not move any earth out of the way? What does the first MOP do?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 25, 2025 02:01 PM (lCaJd)

255 >>> 250 "All of the evidence of what was just bombed, by twelve 30,000-pound bombs, is buried under a mountain, devastated and obliterated. So if you want to make an assessment of what happened at Fordow, you better get a big shovel and go really deep."
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So we can't know?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 25, 2025 02:00 PM (4/BuS)

Sure, *we* can.

*You* can't.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 25, 2025 02:01 PM (ULPxl)

256 That bombing a site like Fordow probably won't actually take out what's 400m under the surface when MOPs can only go 100m under ground.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:57 PM (GBKbO)

It'll probably get really warm below 100m, though.
Probably felt like a 9.0 earthqauke, too.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 25, 2025 02:01 PM (6ydKt)

257 I don't have a good track record for predictions. That fact notwithstanding:

I don't think Khamenei's regime will waste time trying to build nuclear bombs again for the foreseeable future.

That's because the danger time for civil unrest always comes AFTER a nation loses a war. I believe that K's Nazi death cult is hip to that. I doubt the regime can ignore all the civilian misery now.

Posted by: mnw at June 25, 2025 02:01 PM (kd60y)

258 252 Madison's taking a ton of abuse in here lately. You love to see it. That will teach you to like crappy movies.
Posted by: ... at June 25, 2025 02:00 PM (sfdl6)

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It's not my fault if you people can't appreciate the genius that is the remake of The Omen!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 02:01 PM (GBKbO)

259 244 PI, we are on a mind-meld! Yow!
Posted by: Gref at June 25, 2025 01:59 PM (aBgBM)

245 It's like a mind meld in here some days.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 25, 2025 01:59 PM (6ydKt)

Seriously what the hell is going on

Posted by: ... at June 25, 2025 02:02 PM (sfdl6)

260 It no longer being solid rock but debris underground could the conditions allow greater passage, and how far down?

The US/Israeli intel is talking very confidently, so that's something. The anonymous sources from Iran are talking very pessimistically, so that's also something.

But the physics still make me wonder if it's really only making the place immediately inaccessible instead.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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In battleships, one armor scheme was to employ a thinner exterior sheet to decap the projectile, causing it to detonate before it hit the main armor belt. If I was the mullahs, I might have done something similar over the main part of the bunkers.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 25, 2025 02:02 PM (ITkJX)

261 Gref, excellent comment.

One thing - Israel stole Iran's nuclear archive a few years ago (itself yet another better-than-fiction actual operation). Don't know if plans for any of the hardened facilities were included, probably not because of the time-frame, but not unreasonable to assume Mossad had pretty well developed intel on the facilities.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 25, 2025 02:02 PM (1m82a)

262
oh yeah

and the mossad probably has access to internal iranian comms stating that fordow is toast

Posted by: sound awake at June 25, 2025 02:02 PM (y7zJs)

263 the genius that is the remake of The Omen!

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wait, what ?! when did this happen??

Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 02:02 PM (g47mK)

264 *I want Jack Ryan parachuted in, to meet up with John Clark, and to get into the facility themselves to get the intel.*

I'll meet you there. I've got a paper clip, a pocket knife and some Elmer's glue.

Posted by: McGyver at June 25, 2025 02:02 PM (PQB+n)

265 I want Jack Ryan parachuted in, to meet up with John Clark, and to get into the facility themselves to get the intel.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 02:00 PM (GBKbO)

This is a great idea.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at June 25, 2025 02:02 PM (Mxf84)

266 244 PI, we are on a mind-meld! Yow!

Posted by: Gref at June 25, 2025 01:59 PM

GMTA!

And from two different scientific backgrounds.

Do you suppose drinking bourbon together at a MoMe helps that process?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 25, 2025 02:02 PM (HlyYF)

267 How does a MOP not move any earth out of the way? What does the first MOP do?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 25, 2025 02:01 PM (lCaJd)

Go ahead TJM, tell the lady what a MOP does.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 25, 2025 02:02 PM (6ydKt)

268 Madison's taking a ton of abuse in here lately. You love to see it. That will teach you to like crappy movies.
Posted by: ... at June 25, 2025 02:00 PM (sfdl6)

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It's not my fault if you people can't appreciate the genius that is the remake of The Omen!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 02:01 PM (GBKbO)

Prometheus wasn't a bridge too far already?

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at June 25, 2025 02:02 PM (i24o9)

269 With the help of Israeli and US geologists, mining engineers, and ordnance experts, a high-confidence plan to collapse the caverns using X number of MOPs can be formulated.
Posted by: Gref

it is ,maybe more accurate to say a high-confidence plan to collapse the caverns using X number of *** can be formulated.

mops are mops if they are not the right bomb for the target thn they are not the right bomb

Posted by: n at June 25, 2025 02:03 PM (yYy/+)

270 254 How does a MOP not move any earth out of the way? What does the first MOP do?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 25, 2025 02:01 PM (lCaJd)

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Because that's not what MOPs are designed to do.

They're designed to burrow upwards of 100m underground and explode. As we can see from the satellite photos at Fordow after the attack, that kind of ordnance does not create the kind of outward expanding explosions above ground.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 02:03 PM (GBKbO)

271 The leakers need to be found and punished to the fullest extent of the law. Play bny their rules and make up extra stuff to charge them with , if necessary.

Pain (for them) is the only way to stop this garbage.

Posted by: can of spam at June 25, 2025 02:03 PM (7oNMO)

272 Pete took the lying media to the woodshed !

Posted by: It's me donna at June 25, 2025 02:03 PM (VE6XX)

273 256 That bombing a site like Fordow probably won't actually take out what's 400m under the surface when MOPs can only go 100m under ground.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:57 PM (GBKbO)

It'll probably get really warm below 100m, though.
Probably felt like a 9.0 earthqauke, too.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 25, 2025 02:01 PM (6ydKt)

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I believe there are underground reinforcing techniques that can at least partially mitigate that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 02:04 PM (GBKbO)

274 266 244 PI, we are on a mind-meld! Yow!

Posted by: Gref at June 25, 2025 01:59 PM

GMTA!

And from two different scientific backgrounds.

Do you suppose drinking bourbon together at a MoMe helps that process?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 25, 2025 02:02 PM (HlyYF)

It can never hurt!

Posted by: Gref at June 25, 2025 02:04 PM (aBgBM)

275 255 >>> 250 "All of the evidence of what was just bombed, by twelve 30,000-pound bombs, is buried under a mountain, devastated and obliterated. So if you want to make an assessment of what happened at Fordow, you better get a big shovel and go really deep."
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So we can't know?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 25, 2025 02:00 PM (4/BuS)

Sure, *we* can.

*You* can't.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 25, 2025 02:01 PM (ULPxl)

Well, it's a good thing the IC and DoD have an untrammeled record of accuracy, reliability, and honesty then.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 25, 2025 02:04 PM (4/BuS)

276 All joking aside, here's a good video on how Bunker Busters work:

https://youtu.be/bDh1x3hd6xQ

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 25, 2025 02:04 PM (6ydKt)

277 Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 25, 2025 02:02 PM (ITkJX

Striker Vehicle cage.

Posted by: Off sock at June 25, 2025 02:04 PM (VofaG)

278 Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 25, 2025 01:30 PM (hfg0k

That is really funny. Thanks. You should consider doing conservative stand up comedy.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 25, 2025 02:04 PM (2GCMq)

279 Gaseous diffusion means corroded equipment that is radioactive if the power fails.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 25, 2025 01:42 PM (9nkAn)

Fluorine is no joke. If it decides it wants to combine with something more than U, you have a serious problem. HF etches glass.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 25, 2025 02:04 PM (8avO+)

280
They're designed to burrow upwards of 100m underground and explode. As we can see from the satellite photos at Fordow after the attack, that kind of ordnance does not create the kind of outward expanding explosions above ground.

which begs the question why were sdbs not used for the gaza undrground sites?

Posted by: n at June 25, 2025 02:05 PM (yYy/+)

281 Those centrifuges are a sturdy and robust as my printer!
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 25, 2025 01:50 PM (/HVsR)

LOL

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at June 25, 2025 02:05 PM (g8Ew8)

282 265 I want Jack Ryan parachuted in, to meet up with John Clark, and to get into the facility themselves to get the intel.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 02:00 PM (GBKbO)

This is a great idea.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at June 25, 2025 02:02 PM (Mxf84)
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Nah, replace Ryan and Clark with black female lesbians, and make it lame.

Posted by: Orson at June 25, 2025 02:05 PM (dIske)

283 That bombing a site like Fordow probably won't actually take out what's 400m under the surface when MOPs can only go 100m under ground.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:57 PM (GBKbO)

The bomb may not penetrate 400 meters of solid rock, and explode in the goatrapers' workspsace. But it doesn't have to. If it penetrates 100 meters, and then explodes, it will create a massive shock wave that will cause sheets of rock to spall off the ceiling of the workspace, and crush the machines and their operators.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 25, 2025 02:05 PM (Hyyh7)

284
Who came to this assessment so quickly and how do they explain their reasoning? Because this report looks like it was written SPECIFICALLY to leak.

Posted by: Frank Barone at June 25, 2025 02:05 PM (IifOV)

285
I believe there are underground reinforcing techniques that can at least partially mitigate that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 02:04 PM (GBKbO)

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The Iranians were using specialized concrete that is supposed to be more bomb-proof.

I read that somewhere recently, too.

I don't know if it can withstand what we dropped but they used something to try to contain the damage.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 25, 2025 02:06 PM (6ydKt)

286 In battleships, one armor scheme was to employ a thinner exterior sheet to decap the projectile, causing it to detonate before it hit the main armor belt. If I was the mullahs, I might have done something similar over the main part of the bunkers.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 25, 2025 02:02 PM

I believe Saddam's engineers actually tested those concepts.

I think their best countermeasure was some void space, partially filled with heavy rubble, and then back to solid rock. Rinse and repeat as needed in layers.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 25, 2025 02:06 PM (HlyYF)

287 it was a bit funny that Trump decided to have such an over the top statement about effectiveness so soon after the bombing, though sharing any classified data from dia is treasonous

Posted by: n at June 25, 2025 02:07 PM (yYy/+)

288 Because that's not what MOPs are designed to do.

They're designed to burrow upwards of 100m underground and explode. As we can see from the satellite photos at Fordow after the attack, that kind of ordnance does not create the kind of outward expanding explosions above ground.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 02:03 PM (GBKbO)

They want to collapse the bunker by making it the weak point when the bomb goes off. Splashing explosives on the surface does little underground damage, hence the use of slit trenches in field works.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 25, 2025 02:07 PM (8avO+)

289 If a B-2 can drop two 30,000 lb MOP, are we developing a 60,000 lb MOAP?

Seems funny to be pounding nuclear facilities back to the Stone Age by dropping anvils on them.

Posted by: t-bird at June 25, 2025 02:07 PM (Y+sVZ)

290 285 The Iranians were using specialized concrete that is supposed to be more bomb-proof.

I read that somewhere recently, too.

I don't know if it can withstand what we dropped but they used something to try to contain the damage.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 25, 2025 02:06 PM (6ydKt)

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We dropped A LOT.

It's possible it was enough.

But I'm just waiting for more than some educated guesses.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 02:07 PM (GBKbO)

291 Iran had purchased vast amounts of bubble wrap and packing peanuts in the last few months. This has to be taken into account.

Posted by: DIA Assessment Team at June 25, 2025 02:07 PM (dIske)

292 which begs the question why were sdbs not used for the gaza undrground sites?
Posted by: n at June 25, 2025 02:05 PM (yYy/+)

Because we aren't allowing ourselves to blow the hospitals and orphanages on top.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 25, 2025 02:09 PM (8avO+)

293 which begs the question why were sdbs not used for the gaza undrground sites?

Posted by: n at June 25, 2025 02:05 PM (yYy/+)

I'd suspect that it's because the Gaza sites didn't have the kind of surroundings the Fordow site had, and because the pressure wave travelling through the tunnels would liquefy the occupants, including any hostages.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at June 25, 2025 02:09 PM (luW68)

294 Those things run at about 90,000 rpm. The tiniest fault with the bearings, driveshaft, motors etc, and it turns into a pedo van-sized grenade.
....
Posted by: IllTemperedCur

Unlikely because if that were true, running thousands 24/7, the place would be like working inside a popcorn machine with grenades going off every couple minutes.

More likely they have a fairly benign failure mode (I am engineer and have worked with some high speed and high energy equipment) and just need to be purged and rebuilt. Doable, but tedious. But it is only doable if you have the repair equipment. If the whole facility is contaminated with no power then you have to build a workspace first and set up bake ovens to purge for repair and then one by one purge, bake, repair and move to new facility to run. Not going to happen (I don't think.)

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 25, 2025 02:09 PM (3OoOR)

295 Whig and I were discussing on the morning thread that Israel has quietly said that yes, they were tracking the 100 kg (or however much it is) of 60% concentrated U-235 that Iran had admitted to having, and that yes, it was taken out of Fordow shortly before the bombing, and that it is now buried underneath the rubble of a different storage facility that the Israelis prefer not to name. (most likely at Natanz or Isfahar, both sites heavily hit)

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 25, 2025 02:10 PM (uWKK8)

296 Phase 2 should be a conga line of B-2s dropping MOPs on the place every five minutes until you can see magma.

Really make a statement with it.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 25, 2025 02:10 PM (BjH5D)

297
Madison's taking a ton of abuse in here lately. You love to see it. That will teach you to like crappy movies.
Posted by: ... at June 25, 2025 02:00 PM (sfdl6)

*snort*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 25, 2025 02:10 PM (y9nCu)

298 Kinetic Penetration !

Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 02:10 PM (g47mK)

299 As wrong as our intel estimates have been historically, if they say it was NOT totally destroyed?

It was totally destroyed.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 25, 2025 02:10 PM (mP0Kj)

300 It's not my fault if you people can't appreciate the genius that is the remake of The Omen!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 02:01 PM (GBKbO)

Pffft.

Posted by: The Remake of "Psycho" at June 25, 2025 02:10 PM (iJfKG)

301 it is a trade off between penetration and explosives, more penetration means more steel for the casing and not as much explosive

Posted by: n at June 25, 2025 02:10 PM (yYy/+)

302 I'm so old I remember when mentioning the name of a CIA analyst, let alone a classified intelligence briefing, launched a multi-year investigation with prison time for the person (falsely) identified as originally leaking it.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 25, 2025 01:52 PM

I am so old I remember that naming a former intelligence asset who no longer worked for any intelligence agency in any capacity got you a trial and a stiff jail sentence.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 25, 2025 02:11 PM (e5NfL)

303 Pre-detonation* is an obvious and old design, where some kind of void or intermediate space separates a hard shell (which detonates the incoming) from the actual target.

Battleships had torpedo blisters to do this. A mortar roof (just sandbags piled on wooden platforms), ditto.

Have no idea, but imagine anything like this underground would be an engineering/construction challenge more suited to Japan than Iran.

* not to be confused with a key challenge in nuke design, avoiding pre-detonation of the physics package.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 25, 2025 02:11 PM (1m82a)

304 Follow-up: Mossad probably placed surface seismic sensors on and around the underground facilities. Data is radioed in real-time. Common geology tech. The readings might have shown (or not) collapses deeper than the MOPs penetrated. This may be the primary means for initial bomb damage assessment.

Posted by: Gref at June 25, 2025 02:11 PM (aBgBM)

305 I believe Saddam's engineers actually tested those concepts.

I think their best countermeasure was some void space, partially filled with heavy rubble, and then back to solid rock. Rinse and repeat as needed in layers.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
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The battleship scheme sometimes did the same thing, filling the void with coal bunkers or oil storage.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 25, 2025 02:11 PM (ITkJX)

306 Seems funny to be pounding nuclear facilities back to the Stone Age by dropping anvils on them.

Posted by: t-bird at June 25, 2025 02:07 PM

These weren't exactly the anvils from ACME that Wile E. Coyote was trying to use on the roadrunner!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 25, 2025 02:11 PM (HlyYF)

307 298 Kinetic Penetration !
Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 02:10 PM (g47mK)

This is the Paolo's, how you say, specialty!

Posted by: The Paolo at June 25, 2025 02:11 PM (TbWk/)

308 Midnight hammer delivered kinetic penetration.

Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 02:11 PM (g47mK)

309 I'd suspect that it's because the Gaza sites didn't have the kind of surroundings the Fordow site had, and because the pressure wave travelling through the tunnels would liquefy the occupants, including any hostages.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...W

so the 2000 lb non penetrating bombs were the smart way to do things?

Posted by: n at June 25, 2025 02:12 PM (yYy/+)

310 308 Midnight hammer delivered kinetic penetration.
Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 02:11 PM (g47mK)

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Opening line to your newest romance novel?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 02:12 PM (GBKbO)

311 283 That bombing a site like Fordow probably won't actually take out what's 400m under the surface when MOPs can only go 100m under ground.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:57 PM (GBKbO)

The bomb may not penetrate 400 meters of solid rock, and explode in the goatrapers' workspsace. But it doesn't have to. If it penetrates 100 meters, and then explodes, it will create a massive shock wave that will cause sheets of rock to spall off the ceiling of the workspace, and crush the machines and their operators.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 25, 2025 02:05 PM (Hyyh7)

AOP knows this stuff, folks.

Posted by: Gref at June 25, 2025 02:12 PM (aBgBM)

312 5 https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1937850112274780606

That's video of Hegseth saying that DOD and DOJ are working together to ID and criminally prosecute the leaker, by the way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 01:15 PM (GBKbO)

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Odd, I care about this more than the bombing.

I denounce myself.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 25, 2025 02:12 PM (PMtkd)

313 it was a bit funny that Trump decided to have such an over the top statement about effectiveness so soon after the bombing, though sharing any classified data from dia is treasonous
Posted by: n at June 25, 2025 02:07 PM (yYy/+)

You don't see the difference between a statement from a guy who is known principally for blustering about whatever the fuck he wants whenever he wants to obtain various outcomes, and the leaking of classified info?

You are scraping the sides of the obtuse barrel my friend.

Posted by: ... at June 25, 2025 02:13 PM (sfdl6)

314 If the facilities are contaminated with fluoridated water, any nuclear scientist entering the sight would become as retarded as a theatre major.

Posted by: Oglebay at June 25, 2025 02:13 PM (MMp6W)

315 We dropped A LOT.

It's possible it was enough.

But I'm just waiting for more than some educated guesses.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 02:07 PM (GBKbO)

You won't get it, probably. But because to either keep working on bombs there they will have to clear, or build new entrances and excavate the volume and recover the labs. To get the pessimistic "days or weeks" you have to assume they pick a new site and even purchasing new equipment will take more than days, and will be starting from scratch. And that site will not be hardened.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 25, 2025 02:13 PM (8avO+)

316 Note I said sides, not bottom.

Posted by: ... at June 25, 2025 02:13 PM (sfdl6)

317 That's because the danger time for civil unrest always comes AFTER a nation loses a war. I believe that K's Nazi death cult is hip to that. I doubt the regime can ignore all the civilian misery now.
Posted by: mnw at June 25, 2025 02:01 PM (kd60y)
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I think they bombed the prison in a manner that allowed the political prisoners to escape.

Posted by: braenyard- Some friends are more equal than others at June 25, 2025 02:13 PM (c35xG)

318 310 308 Midnight hammer delivered kinetic penetration.
Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 02:11 PM (g47mK)

This one time, at Physics Camp...

Posted by: My 14yo self at June 25, 2025 02:14 PM (PQB+n)

319 Midnight hammer delivered kinetic penetration.

Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 02:11 PM (g47mK)

How is this not one of The Paolo's many nicknames?

Posted by: pookysgirl at June 25, 2025 02:14 PM (Wt5PA)

320 Opening line to your newest romance novel?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 02:12 PM (GBKbO)

It was a dark and stormy night, the rain fell in torrents—except at occasional intervals...

Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 02:14 PM (g47mK)

321 289 If a B-2 can drop two 30,000 lb MOP, are we developing a 60,000 lb MOAP?

Seems funny to be pounding nuclear facilities back to the Stone Age by dropping anvils on them.
Posted by: t-bird at June 25, 2025 02:07 PM (Y+sVZ)

Works for me ...

Posted by: Wyle E Coyote Esq, PhD. LSMFT at June 25, 2025 02:14 PM (TTAGa)

322 Something I have not seen mentioned - I wonder if there is a tactical nuclear MOP. Burrows down 100m and then gives a headache to anything withing a 1km radius underground.

Well, if I can imagine it I assume the US has built it.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 25, 2025 02:14 PM (3OoOR)

323 314 If the facilities are contaminated with fluoridated water, any nuclear scientist entering the sight would become as retarded as a theatre major.

Posted by: Oglebay at June 25, 2025 02:13 PM

Yes, but their teeth will be FABULOUS!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 25, 2025 02:14 PM (HlyYF)

324 320 Opening line to your newest romance novel?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 02:12 PM (GBKbO)

It was a dark and stormy night, the rain fell in torrents—except at occasional intervals...
Posted by: runner at June 25, 2025 02:14 PM (g47mK)

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Poetry.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 25, 2025 02:15 PM (GBKbO)

325 316 Note I said sides, not bottom.
Posted by: ... at June 25, 2025 02:13 PM (sfdl6)

Trust your punchlines.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 25, 2025 02:15 PM (BjH5D)

326 so the 2000 lb non penetrating bombs were the smart way to do things?
Posted by: n at June 25, 2025 02:12 PM (yYy/+)

for killing Gazan fighters in hastily improved positions? Sure is.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 25, 2025 02:15 PM (8avO+)

327 I don't know what the assessments use as factors but I can tell you that how long it takes to start refining the stuff they have left is very much going to depend on how much help they get from other "counties".

I am pretty sure the Israeli's knew to keep tabs on where the enriched fuel was going.

Iran has to keep it safe until the refinement infrastructure can be either replaced or repaired.

Posted by: pawn at June 25, 2025 02:15 PM (QB+5g)

328 The President is the final authority on classification. If he says it publicly, it’s unclassified.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 25, 2025 02:15 PM (hfg0k)

329 bob, Israel also heavily struck the whole ID'd centrifuge production chain, soft targets (just factories) that of course are essential to replacing or repairing units damaged in other strikes.

This is the key element of the Israeli public statements. They hit the entire nuke weapon sector - from scientists to supply chain to design/testing facilities to crown jewel enrichment assets. One scientist taken out as the ceasefire approached.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 25, 2025 02:15 PM (1m82a)

330 Trust your punchlines.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 25, 2025 02:15 PM (BjH5D)

That WAS the punchline!

Posted by: ... at June 25, 2025 02:15 PM (sfdl6)

331 In battleships, one armor scheme was to employ a thinner exterior sheet to decap the projectile, causing it to detonate before it hit the main armor belt. If I was the mullahs, I might have done something similar over the main part of the bunkers.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 25, 2025 02:02 PM (ITkJX)

Penetration doesn't matter so much that close in especially in the case of these Iranian fortifications. The shock waves alone from six tons of high grade explosives detonated a hundred feet from the tunnels is going to do an incredible amount of damage.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at June 25, 2025 02:16 PM (g8Ew8)

332 323 314 If the facilities are contaminated with fluoridated water, any nuclear scientist entering the sight would become as retarded as a theatre major.

Posted by: Oglebay at June 25, 2025 02:13 PM

Yes, but their teeth will be FABULOUS!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at June 25, 2025 02:14 PM (HlyYF)

"Hot DAMN, Habib, I don't know what it is but i'm feeling SUPER muslim today!"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 25, 2025 02:16 PM (BjH5D)

333 @290

>>But I'm just waiting for more than some educated guesses.

Fordow is built under a mountain, mountains can absorb a shit ton of energy.

You can actually do the calculations and there is a good chance that very little damage was done to the actual facility.

But as noted, degrading their ability to access the site may be sufficient to essentially make the facility useless.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 25, 2025 02:16 PM (XV/Pl)

334 293 which begs the question why were sdbs not used for the gaza undrground sites?

Posted by: n at June 25, 2025 02:05 PM (yYy/+)

I'd suspect that it's because the Gaza sites didn't have the kind of surroundings the Fordow site had, and because the pressure wave travelling through the tunnels would liquefy the occupants, including any hostages.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at June 25, 2025 02:09 PM (luW6

Also because the Israeli's have plenty of weapons that can easily reach anything under Gaza, if they know where to aim. The Gaza geology is close to non-existent; it's all sand on a wide coastal plain, not much real rock at all anywhere. That's why it was so easy for Hamas to build hundreds of miles of tunnels underneath it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 25, 2025 02:16 PM (uWKK8)

335 IIRC the centrifuges used at Fordow (and elsewhere) are pretty delicate. While the lab they're in may be intact, or nearly so, I'd bet the spinning pieces are not. Or if they were not shut down properly prior to the attack they may still suffer damage.

They were in a long hall buried under that mountain. Just making it unsafe to operate in there might be enough to stall Iran's nuclear ambitions for a while.

But it probably isn't the end of it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 25, 2025 02:17 PM (Q4IgG)

336 Something I have not seen mentioned - I wonder if there is a tactical nuclear MOP. Burrows down 100m and then gives a headache to anything withing a 1km radius underground.

Well, if I can imagine it I assume the US has built it.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 25, 2025 02:14 PM (3OoOR)

You'd think the firing mechanism for the bomb would fail on the first contact. Both the bombs we used were air bursts.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 25, 2025 02:17 PM (8avO+)

337 Entering the "sight" - guess we know who the retard is.

Posted by: Oglebay at June 25, 2025 02:17 PM (MMp6W)

338 It's just my own perspective, but it seems to me that the bell of craziness, cognitive dissonance, is ringing louder and louder as every day passes. I'm actually ok with that. I've felt that it was inevitable. It needs to happen. Peel back the curtains, remove the facade and draw the line.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * sporting my Andrew Breitbart attitude at June 25, 2025 02:17 PM (DX/Mv)

339 Regardless of our bombing damage, I have full confidence that Israel certainly knew what they were doing when they bombed a few weeks ago.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 25, 2025 02:18 PM (PMtkd)

340 Penetration doesn't matter so much that close in especially in the case of these Iranian fortifications. The shock waves alone from six tons of high grade explosives detonated a hundred feet from the tunnels is going to do an incredible amount of damage.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons
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I take your point. Much bigger, but a 16 inch shell did weigh upwards of 3,000 lbs impacting smaller target.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 25, 2025 02:18 PM (ITkJX)

341 for killing Gazan fighters in hastily improved positions? Sure is.
Posted by: Oldcat

two words

monte casino

Posted by: n at June 25, 2025 02:18 PM (MrpFA)

342 328 The President is the final authority on classification. If he says it publicly, it’s unclassified.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 25, 2025 02:15 PM (hfg0k)

Hawaiian judge rules that everyone has to forget what they just heard, go LA LA LA eight times with their fingers in their ears, and say ten Si Se Puedes.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 25, 2025 02:19 PM (BjH5D)

343 >>>The bomb may not penetrate 400 meters of solid rock, and explode in the goatrapers' workspsace. But it doesn't have to. If it penetrates 100 meters, and then explodes, it will create a massive shock wave that will cause sheets of rock to spall off the ceiling of the workspace, and crush the machines and their operators.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Thank you.

Posted by: braenyard- Some friends are more equal than others at June 25, 2025 02:19 PM (yXf+h)

344 Moab on cnn hq. Finish the game.

Posted by: Elrond Hubbard at June 25, 2025 02:19 PM (kmhyd)

345 They hit the entire nuke weapon sector - from scientists to supply chain to design/testing facilities to crown jewel enrichment assets. One scientist taken out as the ceasefire approached.
Posted by: rhomboid

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Very good point. So the supply chain and human capital will take decades to rebuild.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 25, 2025 02:19 PM (3OoOR)

346 Shit, the "leak" could be an op. Note how the conversation has shifted from Trump is stupidly getting us into a neverending war without authorization to "Well if the mega moab 679 penetrated at a roughly 30 degree angle then the damage to the facility could be merely facia, on the other hand if it was a mega moab 880 or later then all bets are off especially if the entry vector was 2 degrees higher than the hypoteneuse of the scalene triangle, if the date of manufacture was post June of 2023..."

Posted by: ... at June 25, 2025 02:20 PM (sfdl6)

347 Research reveals that what i am rembering as GUM stores were G.E.M. stores, a private gov't employee mutual more or less scam, precursor to costco and the like. RIP 1973, when the drugs started taking hold of my memory, apparently.
I'm sure you are all glad to know this.

Posted by: From about That Time at June 25, 2025 02:20 PM (n4GiU)

348 Posted by: n at June 25, 2025 02:12 PM (yYy/+)

Targets above ground, and even in revetments or bunkers (shallow tunnels), very definitely the right selection. Fragmentation radius would be around 350m and the blast radius would be even larger, maybe twice that.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at June 25, 2025 02:20 PM (luW68)

349 The US has designed penetrating nuclear ordnance in the past.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 25, 2025 02:20 PM (1m82a)

350 As a soldier and later a civilian contractor I held various flavors of TS clearances - never was tasked with writing up or directly reading the sort of reports that summarize known intel about X and grade the received intel and analysis of same on a reliability scale.

But as I understand it, Best Practice is to turn your analysts loose to look at all possible conclusions, decide which ones are at least possible, and write them all up graded by probability of being correct. Like Schrodinger's Cat you won't know the correct conclusion until later - but with multiple choice options instead of just the two.

The MSM and the Dems (but I repeat myself) have recently repeatedly taken to assuming whatever the conclusion LEAST friendly to Trump - that MUST be the only valid conclusion - probabilities be damned.

Which leads to some rather silly "I'm sure this is the case" takes on Intel - a certain laptop must be DisInfo even if that probability is < 1% - Trump is a Manchurian Candidate even when it's his opponent getting rich off of foreign moneys - and all the Bunker Buster Bombs are no better than the non-working torpedoes the US Navy had at the start of WWII.

Posted by: BobM at June 25, 2025 02:21 PM (QMqQW)

351 > You can actually do the calculations

You overestimate me. I really don't think I could do an accurate calculation of a specific warhead type, weight, penetration capability, impact velocity, angle of impact, etc. against all of the materials, energy distribution characteristics, warping, shaping, energy diffusion, etc etc etc. of the facility involved.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 25, 2025 02:21 PM (lIio7)

352 I believe there are underground reinforcing techniques that can at least partially mitigate that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,

In theory. If you start at the base of the mountain and go horizontally, farther in is "deeper" in.

Hitting the "entrance" and of course blast proof doors, but it's going to be a long time to dig back in.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at June 25, 2025 02:21 PM (FxH7T)

353 Newd.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 25, 2025 02:21 PM (VAINm)

354 These are Schrodinger's Nuke Bunkers: they exist in a state of being both simultaneously obliterated and virtually unscathed at the same time depending on one's TDS level. It's an amazing time to be alive.

Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at June 25, 2025 02:21 PM (V362x)

355 Nood.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 25, 2025 02:22 PM (ExV1e)

356 I'm having flashbacks of the "Scorched Earth" game's Funky Bombs.

Posted by: fd at June 25, 2025 02:22 PM (vFG9F)

357 335 IIRC the centrifuges used at Fordow (and elsewhere) are pretty delicate. While the lab they're in may be intact, or nearly so, I'd bet the spinning pieces are not. Or if they were not shut down properly prior to the attack they may still suffer damage.

They were in a long hall buried under that mountain. Just making it unsafe to operate in there might be enough to stall Iran's nuclear ambitions for a while.

But it probably isn't the end of it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 25, 2025 02:17 PM (Q4IgG)

If their underground nuke facilities were destroyed or at least severely damaged, I believe the Iranians will dig and equip new facilities rather than try to rehabilitate the old ones. But who knows what crazy Mullahs and their remaining experts may decide to do. If that is, they politically remain in position to keep trying to make nukes.

Posted by: Gref at June 25, 2025 02:23 PM (aBgBM)

358 Also because the Israeli's have plenty of weapons that can easily reach anything under Gaza, if they know where to aim. The Gaza geology is close to non-existent; it's all sand on a wide coastal plain, not much real rock at all anywhere. That's why it was so easy for Hamas to build hundreds of miles of tunnels underneath it.
Posted by: Tom Servo

which is what the Small Diameter Bombs were designed for. Which were in IDF inventory, it is the hottest new bomb in the Air Forces's inventory, better penetration, more aerodynamic, easier to carry more per sortie.

Building tunnels in sand is not easy because it needs more reinforcement , easy to move, not easy to stop from moving.

Posted by: n at June 25, 2025 02:23 PM (8B5zF)

359 Was it a fully-laden B-2?

Posted by: That Gnarly Guy Guarding the Footbridge at June 25, 2025 02:24 PM (w9Wax)

360 Propaganda. These loser propagandists in the media are sick in the head.

So the suggestion is that the Iranians can build a bunker impervious to massive bombs, but they can't build a nuclear weapon for over 40 years?

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at June 25, 2025 02:24 PM (ioEI6)

361 > I think I have a crush on Pete Hegseth

join the club

Posted by: cherries in season at June 25, 2025 02:24 PM (Z4eZ1)

362 336 Something I have not seen mentioned - I wonder if there is a tactical nuclear MOP. Burrows down 100m and then gives a headache to anything withing a 1km radius underground.

Well, if I can imagine it I assume the US has built it.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 25, 2025 02:14 PM (3OoOR)

You'd think the firing mechanism for the bomb would fail on the first contact. Both the bombs we used were air bursts.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 25, 2025 02:17 PM (8avO+)

I read a proposed form of that once, don't know if it ever got built. The idea was to take a cannon barrel from an M-1, install a rifle-tyep atomic weapon inside of it, then put stabilizing fins and a heavy pointed nose cone on it. Drop it from 20,000 feet and let the impact drive the uranium half spheres together. Should be moving at enough speed to get a good ways into the ground before it detonates.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 25, 2025 02:25 PM (uWKK8)

363 I'm at a loss to understand how a defense attorney quitting would cause the prosecution to fold it's case and drop all charges.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

The Feds dropped *some* charges.

"Federal prosecutors have dropped several charges against Sean "Diddy" Combs in the final days of his sex trafficking trial, streamlining the case for the jury. The charges removed include attempted kidnapping, attempted arson, and aiding and abetting sex trafficking, though the core charges of sex trafficking, racketeering, and transportation to engage in prostitution remain in place"

Posted by: Chuck C at June 25, 2025 02:25 PM (D0HYP)

364 These are Schrodinger's Nuke Bunkers: they exist in a state of being both simultaneously obliterated and virtually unscathed at the same time depending on one's TDS level. It's an amazing time to be alive.
Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at June 25, 2025 02:21 PM (V362x)

Don't forget 'never existed because the Mullahs are peace loving pacifists'

Posted by: Oldcat at June 25, 2025 02:25 PM (8avO+)

365 Match these improvements:
1. Needs to go to jail.
2. Needs to dial it back a bit initially to not become the focus of the story, instead to the real story.
3. Needs to learn what kinds of planes "fighter pilots" fly.

With these actors:
A. Treasonous IC bastard.
B. POTUS
C. White House Press Secretary

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 25, 2025 02:26 PM (PQOq3)

366 f you send a MOP after another, can the second MOP go further through the material than the first one did, especially if the first one didn't actually move any earth out of the way?
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The MOP is traveling Mach 1 at impact.
The fuse is 100 milliseconds after impact.
X ms later, the second MOP reaches ground level.
Assume the second isn't triggered until it passes through the "liquified" rock that is currently at that instant floating inside the explosion.

How deep is that?

That's a lot of maths that the coneheads have worked out to say:
Shit's all fucked up, yo.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 25, 2025 02:26 PM (UImIR)

367
Because that's not what MOPs are designed to do.

They're designed to burrow upwards of 100m underground and explode. As we can see from the satellite photos at Fordow after the attack, that kind of ordnance does not create the kind of outward expanding explosions above ground.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

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Okay, TJM, thanks! See, why doesn't CNN ask Blonde questions instead of demanding to know why Trump is lying?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 25, 2025 02:27 PM (lCaJd)

368
Building tunnels in sand is not easy because it needs more reinforcement , easy to move, not easy to stop from moving.
Posted by: n at June 25, 2025 02:23 PM (8B5zF)

I suspect that's why the idea of flooding the tunnels never worked. Any water pumped in just drains out through the sandy floors.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 25, 2025 02:27 PM (uWKK8)

369 Our intelligence agencies are never wrong (except on days ending in y).

Posted by: Bob at June 25, 2025 02:31 PM (5E9ut)

370 340 Penetration doesn't matter so much that close in especially in the case of these Iranian fortifications. The shock waves alone from six tons of high grade explosives detonated a hundred feet from the tunnels is going to do an incredible amount of damage.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons
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I take your point. Much bigger, but a 16 inch shell did weigh upwards of 3,000 lbs impacting smaller target.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 25, 2025 02:18 PM (ITkJX)

Heavy naval guns and projectiles were/are designed to fully penetrate armor plate thickness equivalent to the projectile diameter. This is why when a potential enemy put thicker armor and/or larger guns than yours on their newest class of ships, you had to do at least the equal in your next class of ships. This was the 'battleship race' that the naval ship limit treaties of the 20s and 30s were designed to stop.

Posted by: Gref at June 25, 2025 02:32 PM (aBgBM)

371 Whig and I were discussing on the morning thread that Israel has quietly said that yes, they were tracking the 100 kg (or however much it is) of 60% concentrated U-235 that Iran had admitted to having, and that yes, it was taken out of Fordow shortly before the bombing, and that it is now buried underneath the rubble of a different storage facility that the Israelis prefer not to name. (most likely at Natanz or Isfahar, both sites heavily hit)
Posted by: Tom Servo

Iran: We moved it!

Israel: We know. We flattened it too!

Posted by: rickb223 at June 25, 2025 02:33 PM (zSKXS)

372 Look at the preponderance of concrete dust around the holes the bombs made. Concrete became atomized when it was blown up and was ejected thru the entry points. If the concrete is destroyed everything inside the rooms are gone too. My two cents.

Posted by: Alfred at June 25, 2025 02:51 PM (b6c/x)

373 Find the leaker, fire the leaker, charge them with treason. Put their name out there. Tarred, feathered and mocked.

One of the pilots was from Mississippi, a state I hail from, that many still (all of my life) look down on. One of the planes was called "The Spirit of Mississippi." Even without knowing this I could not be prouder of these brave pilots. I am thankful for them and all military past, present and future as the daughter of a Marine.

https://tinyurl.com/yhd2pfbr

As it is leaving Amazon Prime this week, last night I watched Top Gun again. Altho I am not super fond of Tom Cruise due to his weird religion, he was great in this part. And it demonstrates the courage and skill of fighter pilots.

I love President Trump. I also am coming to love Sec Hegseth, who was right in his hammer speech to the weakling, mewling press. Damn them to the pit of hell.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 25, 2025 03:06 PM (6PCLE)

374
First of all, I want to forthrightly say that I have never been more happy that my assertion that Trump should not bomb the deeply buried nuclear facilities was incorrect and that President Trump was right to make the call!

Many of us thought it would drag us into another endless war! But how could I have ever doubted this great man who has survived a very near-miss assassin's bullet; who fought back and BEAT the Deep State monsters who sought to imprison him for the rest of his natural born life. And on and on.
I - like many others (Tucker Carlson, I'm referring to you!) - should have trusted that this awesome President would never betray the loyal base that pol vaulted him into the Presidency.

I stand happily corrected.

Moreover, now - according to no less than the Israelis themselves - Iran's Fordow facilities have been destroyed.

So, (for at least the next 3.5 years), there can be no sound rationale for taking military action to stop Iran's nuclear program.
Because (again, according to the Israelis themselves) with the destruction of Iran's nuclear weapons infrastructure, Iran's ambitions of acquiring a nuclear weapon has been set back for a great many years.

Posted by: Bach In Black at June 25, 2025 03:44 PM (+oqUV)

375 [Now, just to be clear, I am in no way CERTAIN that the bombing of Iran's Fordow (et al) nuclear facilities was a big hero-theater-show brilliantly designed (by Trump) to turn off the utterly misbegotten and preemptively-foundationless attacks by Israel on Iran.
SOME have claimed that Israel's out-of-the-blue attack was conducted because Witcoff (Trump's chief diplomat and negotiator) was showing excellent and promising progress at reaching a peaceful deal with Iran. - What?! Israel did this all in the hopes of getting the US to fight a war for Israel? Why, NO! That's just CYNICAL!

Anyway, there are no more ridiculous excuses to launch a war on Iran. Moreover, I (along with MILLIONS of other non-neocon Trump supporters) absolutely LOVE that fact.
Extremely well played, Mr. President. We should have never doubted you. Keep it up.]

Posted by: Bach In Black at June 25, 2025 04:07 PM (+oqUV)

376 Anyone else get the feeling the mad mullahs are going to make it through this crisis intact and in power?

Posted by: Pooklord at June 25, 2025 05:57 PM (asU3w)

377 Traitors should be tried, Convicted and Hanged

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at June 25, 2025 06:22 PM (wGqjj)

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