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Iran Refuses Trump's Offer to Negotiate a Deal, Stating That They Will Only Negotiate If Israel Gives Up the War

They want a ceasefire as a condition for talking about a ceasefire. This is the same position that Hamas has taken.

It's the Muslim way of war.

I'm tired of it. I've been a bit sharp with people lately. I am just so sick of this endless cycle of Muslims murdering people in terrorist attacks and then crying to the press that they're the Real Victims Here when anyone fights back.

At some point, they have to be taught that if they want war, they're going to get war.

And not just a quickie bombing. A full, sustained campaign of bombing and assassinations.

They need to feel what it's like to be afraid.

They don't get enough of this. Their preferred method of "war" is to butcher and rape innocent civilians, then cry to the press that they're victims of "genocide." This gets all the European countries to condemn Israel, or the US, and then everyone stops making war back against the war-mongers, and the cycle continues.

Forever, and ever, and ever, and ever. And why should they stop? They get to murder and rape civilians and then cry "genocide" and hide behind the skirts of Mama Media and the feckless dying Europeans and pay no price.

Until this time.

This is an important moment. This is when Iran and its proxy terrorist armies of Hamas and Hezballah finally learn what terror feels like themselves.

And I don't want this to stop until all the terror masters are dead.

So, Iran says they won't negotiate.

I would love Trump to now announce, "The only reason the Ayatollah and his whole family of murderers is still alive is because I told Israel not to kill them, so that I have someone to negotiate with. But if the Ayatollah says he's not going to talk to me, then he has no use to me, and I'm telling Netanyahu to take him out."

At any rate, David Strom links the Washington Post.

As a precondition for negotiation, the Ayatollah wants Israel to surrender, despite Israel having all of the leverage.

Refused. GFY and die burning in a hole.

Trump offers to talk. Iran says "No."

If this were high-stakes poker, you would say that Iran is calling Trump's bluff, believing that he doesn't want to intervene in the war directly, and also believing that Israel is incapable of taking out Iran's key nuclear site buried deeply under a mountain. Khamenei is gambling that his regime can ride out the storm and rebuild its nuclear program once Israel stops the bombing.

Iran rejected calls from Western leaders to return to the negotiating table, asserting it would not continue nuclear talks while under attack by Israel.

Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said Friday that his country has discussed the possibility of reopening nuclear talks with Western leaders, but ultimately rejected offers due to ongoing Israeli attacks.

"The Americans have repeatedly sent messages calling seriously for negotiations," the minister said during televised remarks. "But we have made clear that as long as the aggression does not stop, there will be no place for diplomacy and dialogue."

According to reports, Mr. Araghchi and U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff have spoken on the phone several times since the outbreak of war between Israel and Iran last Thursday. During those talks, Mr. Araghchi reportedly told Mr. Witkoff that Iran could be more flexible on the nuclear issue if the U.S. pressured Israel to end the war.

"More flexible," though, does not mean ceasing its enrichment program, at least if multiple reports are to be believed. It is talking about "limiting" enrichment, but has drawn the line--it will not dismantle its enrichment capacity.

Speaking of that: I don't think anyone needs this spelled out, but in case they do...

This is not like Iraq where we had bad intelligence that Iraq was developing nukes. We know for a fact Iran is developing nukes. They openly brag about their uranium enrichment.

Uranium has to be enriched up to a high fraction of highly-radioactive/unstable isotopes to be used in a bomb. Fuel for a simple reactor doesn't have to be highly enriched. If you're trying to create controlled reactions to safely produce heat (and thereby electricity), you don't want the entire pile of uranium all fissioning at once and blowing up your reactor.

But for a bomb, obviously you do want as many atoms as possible to all split within microseconds of each other, releasing huge amounts of energy in less than a second.

Iran openly brags that it's enriching uranium up to the nuclear-bomb standard. There are no reactors that require uranium enriched to weapons grade, and in fact I don't think you even could use uranium enriched to weapons grade in a reactor. I think it would almost immediately explode or go into an uncontrolled meltdown.

So there is no question that Iran is enriching uranium to produce an atomic weapon. They say they're enriching it to weapons-grade for "peaceful energy production purposes," and if you believe that, you're a chump and a half. They haven't disclosed any new nuclear reactor designs that can use weapons-grade uranium.

It's an obvious lie. They are producing weapons-grade uranium for the only use it is fit for, which is in a weapon.

People against taking any action against Iran keep trotting out a Parade of Horribles to justify the opposition. What if Trump suddenly goes crazy and sends 100,000 troops to fight on Iran's soil? What if Trump suddenly reverses the entire premise of his candidacies for president and decides to take in tens of thousands of Iranian refugees?

Those seem unlikely in the extreme to me.

And while talking about these very unlikely scenarios, the Paulites studiously avoid talking about the extremely likely scenario of an apocalyptic Muslim cult which has repeatedly threatened to destroy the Great Satan -- and has threatened to send assassins to kill Trump and his family and his former advisors, even before he was re-elected -- having a nuclear weapon.

And then another nuclear weapon. And then another and another and another and another, forever.

And bear in mind, Iran already has intermediate-range ballistic missiles and they're simultaneously developing intercontinental ballistic missiles.

Now why would they need to strike another continent if they would just be content to destroy Israel?

Iran has also refused to suspend its intercontinental ballistic missile program, too. I'm sure they have a Mostly Peaceful use for them.

The Iranian regime is on the precipice of being defanged and possibly defenestrated. I have no idea why people are so giddy about the prospect of saving this terrorist regime, which has attacked us repeatedly over the past 50 years of its bloody existence, just as it's on the brink of falling.

And if we do save the regime -- well, then we've decided we want the Ayatollah to have the bomb and also intercontinental ballistic missiles.

That is a major downside of the Paulite position, and it's such a huge downside those pushing the Paulite position simply refuse to talk about it. Or they blow it off claiming "Iran is not a direct, credible threat."

Well, they've actually been killing Americans and funding terrorists for 50 years but sure, no "direct, credible threat."

Not even when -- not if -- they have the atomic bomb and ICBMs to go with it.

The idea that Iran will just be peaceful if we leave them alone and stop picking on them -- the sort of Blame American First claptrap we've heard too much of from the left -- is simply false.

They wanted to kill Trump and his advisers before he was re-elected.

Politico, eight months ago:

U.S. officials are coming to a troubling realization about Iran's repeated threats to kill Donald Trump and some of his former top generals and national security strategists: Tehran isn't bluffing -- and it isn't giving up anytime soon.

Iran has been openly threatening Trump and those who oversaw his national security strategy since January 2020, when Trump ordered a drone strike killing Qassem Soleimani, then Iran's most powerful military general. Tehran has put out videos depicting the future deaths of Trump and others who helped orchestrate the Soleimani attack, pushed for their arrest and extradition and issued menacing statements promising revenge.

U.S. intelligence community officials briefed the Trump campaign last month about assassination threats against the former president from Iran, with the Trump campaign saying they were warned the threat has "heightened in the past few months." The briefing followed a pair of assassination efforts on Trump this summer. No evidence has been presented to link those to Tehran.

But Iran's efforts to kill Trump and former senior officials it has blamed for the Soleimani strike are even more extensive and aggressive than previously reported, according to a dozen officials familiar with the Iranian assassination threat.

"This is extraordinarily serious," said Matt Olsen, the Justice Department's assistant attorney general for national security. "Iran has made it very clear that they are determined to seek retaliation against former officials in connection with the Soleimani strike."

No direct, credible threat, huh?

POLITICO spoke with 24 people with direct knowledge of the Soleimani strike or the ensuing assassination threat, including current and former U.S. lawmakers, Secret Service agents, congressional aides and senior U.S. officials. Some were granted anonymity due to ongoing threats against them or the sensitivity of their work.

They collectively painted a picture of a pervasive assassination threat that is much more concrete than the graphic videos, brash proclamations and menacing social media posts that have found their way into the public eye. They detailed hacking and digital surveillance efforts against the former officials and their family members, a drumbeat of personal FBI warnings about new threats from Iran, increasingly tense discussions about how to protect individuals amid ongoing plots, and efforts by suspected Iranian operatives to trail a U.S. official during a trip abroad.

Again, this is the liberal Biden-supporting Let Iran Have Nukes Politico talking, not some kind of pro-war MAGA blog.

For his part, Trump is taking Iran's threats to kill him and other American officials seriously. He announced that if Iran kills him, he has left his successor (JD Vance, unless they kill him as well) instructions to "obliterate" the regime.

I know that anyone taking the Paulite position kind of has to blabber a bunch of bullshit about Iran posing no "direct, credible threat," but for crying out loud, this is too fucking much already.

Can you even imagine a world in which terrorists are no longer being funded by millions and millions (maybe billions) of dollars from Iran? And being trained in how to build bombs and IEDs? And being trained in how to do paraglider commando raids into (checks notes) music festivals?

When you game out all of the unlikely downsides of supporting Israel's brilliant counter-attack on Iran, you also have to consider the potential upsides.

Iran has gone from launching hundreds of missiles per night to now only being able to launch single digits of missiles in a 24-hour period:

Israel was never in a position to take on Iran before. If they took on Iran, Iran would activate their terrorist armies of Hamas and Hezballah to attack Israel. And they would have their satrapy in Syrian launch missiles at them.

Thanks to Iran's and Hamas's terrible miscalculation in launching the 10/7 massacre -- don't forget, Iran trained Hamas for that attack, and Hamas practiced paragliding in Iran -- Hamas and Hezballah are all but destroyed. Iran's satrap king in Syria was deposed.

So now, Israel can attack Iran, and they're doing so brilliantly.

No one can save Iran now -- except for Tucker Carlson and the "right."

Why they would want to do that, I can only speculate.

I know many people here oppose any US involvement, even in a supporting role, but say they're not against Israel doing what it has to do.

Fine, but Tucker Carlson and certain MAGA grifters are in fact demanding that the US squash Israel's counter-attack on Iran by threatening to cut them off if they continue. You may not be trying to save the Ayatollah, but Tucker Carlson and the various grifters and opportunists who suddenly appear to make money whenever a political movement gets some heat are trying to save him.

Posted by: Ace at 01:12 PM




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1 They're aware that there are plenty of people who've, at least publicly, bought the line that Israel started it.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 20, 2025 01:14 PM (ExV1e)

2 I told 'em.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 20, 2025 01:14 PM (ExV1e)

3 Other than that, how was the movie?

Posted by: toby928 at June 20, 2025 01:15 PM (jc0TO)

4 Iran Refuses Trump's Offer to Negotiate a Deal, Stating That They Will Only Negotiate If Israel Gives Up the War

Utterly and completely predictable. It's what they always say. The truly amazing thing is that some continue to fall for it.

Trump needs to say: "This isn't a negotiation. You will surrender your nuke facilities; all of them. If you refuse, Israel has my blessing to obliterate you. Questions?"

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:17 PM (Riz8t)

5 Ok.
Bye bye.

Fuck you, Iran.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 20, 2025 01:17 PM (sRoQh)

6 Anyone else notice that the 'Leave the illegal aliens alone, leave Hamas alone, leave Iran alone, leave Philadelphia alone' are all pretty much the same people?

I noticed.

They just seem to be willing to sell out the USA for (insert cause here) just about anybody and anything.

I may have added Philadelphia just to show that there is no depth of depravity they will not sink to defending.

Posted by: William F. 'Buck' Dharma at June 20, 2025 01:18 PM (Ft5W9)

7 Fine, but Tucker Carlson and certain MAGA grifters are in fact demanding that the US squash Israel's counter-attack on Iran by threatening to cut them off if they continue. You may not be trying to save the Ayatollah, but Tucker Carlson and the various grifters and opportunists who suddenly appear to make money whenever a political movement gets some heat are trying to save him.

Tucker has made himself into a nonentity. Nobody cares what he says. Brilliant move, Tucker.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:18 PM (Riz8t)

8 Surrender, motherfuckers. You will say it.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2025 01:18 PM (ZIggv)

9 They are fanatics. Probably they are waiting for the mahdi to come and save them.
For that matter, these events are unusual and it is natural to wonder about their meaning. Nobody knows much, though.

Posted by: PG at June 20, 2025 01:18 PM (afPT4)

10 How are nukes at bunker busting?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 20, 2025 01:19 PM (1IUvn)

11 How long will it be before the usual suspects are bleating about all the Iranian babies who can't get milk?

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:19 PM (Riz8t)

12 "But we have made clear that as long as the aggression does not stop, there will be no place for diplomacy and dialogue."

They don't seem to understand that the negotiations are for their surrender.

Posted by: toby928 at June 20, 2025 01:19 PM (jc0TO)

13 Iran's next big export may be glass.

Posted by: Stateless.. 35I% - mental state clawing up from 10%, shit happened, clawing back now at June 20, 2025 01:20 PM (jvJvP)

14 I don't think you even could use uranium enriched to weapons grade in a reactor

I think you probably could but it would require a complete redesign of the layout of the reactor and a lot of faith in the ability of the control mechanism to handle very small changes in attenuation.

It would buy you the ability to run the reactor longer without having to refuel with only a significantly higher risk of catastrophic failure.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 20, 2025 01:20 PM (ExV1e)

15 I may have added Philadelphia just to show that there is no depth of depravity they will not sink to defending.
Posted by: William F. 'Buck' Dharma at June 20, 2025 01:18 PM

*snort*

Posted by: toby928 at June 20, 2025 01:20 PM (jc0TO)

16 Throe the mahdi down the well so my country can be free.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 20, 2025 01:20 PM (1IUvn)

17 I'm starting to miss the Hot MILFs stronger than Viagra ads.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 20, 2025 01:20 PM (od0dV)

18
Here we go...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 20, 2025 01:20 PM (y9nCu)

19 Parley?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2025 01:21 PM (viF8m)

20 "But we have made clear that as long as the aggression does not stop, there will be no place for diplomacy and dialogue."

Ummm, it's probably best not to push your luck.

Posted by: The Imperial Japanese Privy Council at June 20, 2025 01:21 PM (Riz8t)

21 >>> Nood. Iran. I ran so far away.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 20, 2025 01:14 PM (ExV1e)

=====

Well done.

Posted by: Turn 2 at June 20, 2025 01:21 PM (6TlG5)

22 Alternate headline:

"Asshole Country With Zero Options Demands a Win"

Posted by: naturalfake at June 20, 2025 01:21 PM (iJfKG)

23 Allegedly 80% of Iranians hate their Government. This would be the time to do something about it. Maybe the last time in their lifetimes.

Posted by: Fight Fight Fight at June 20, 2025 01:21 PM (qUkBO)

24 They don't seem to understand that the negotiations are for their surrender.
Posted by: toby928 at June 20, 2025 01:19 PM (jc0TO)


--------

Exactly. They are running out of missles, they're economy is shit, their people are mad and America is sick of it and Israel is ready to "get it done."

WTF are they hoping for? The dipshits who always capitulate I assume.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 20, 2025 01:21 PM (PMtkd)

25 ***I'm tired of it. I've been a bit sharp with people lately. I am just so sick of this endless cycle of Muslims murdering people in terrorist attacks
---

Someone posted an article here, recently, that tabulated 1,500 murders, world wide, committed by muslims the previous month.
One normal, mostly peaceful month.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 20, 2025 01:21 PM (K9XnW)

26 GASSSS

GLASSSSSSS

Posted by: JQ at June 20, 2025 01:21 PM (rdVOm)

27 Their preferred method of "war" is to butcher and rape innocent civilians, then cry to the press that they're victims of "genocide."

-
Bibi had a good statement the other day, paraphrasing, we bomb nuke sites, they bomb hospitals.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Master of the Mundane at June 20, 2025 01:22 PM (L/fGl)

28 I think ol' Tucker has either lost his mind, or his handlers have pulled his strings.

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 20, 2025 01:22 PM (a4NoL)

29 Iran doesn't have the cards.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 20, 2025 01:22 PM (1IUvn)

30 Markets are acting like the US is about to join the war....

Idk, Lotta FUD

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 20, 2025 01:22 PM (NwfFc)

31 WTF are they hoping for? The dipshits who always capitulate I assume.

Challenge - ACCEPTED!

Posted by: The DNC, and Tucker Carlson at June 20, 2025 01:22 PM (Riz8t)

32 I would hope the authorities are actively hunting for the hundreds, if not thousands of probable Iranian terrorists running around after *biden's administration gave them them the proverbial green light.

They've got thousands of willing followers milling around the various universities just itching to blow something up.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 20, 2025 01:22 PM (Q4IgG)

33 Well, first it was 'We're not negotiating with PDTS', now it's 'We're not gonna negotiate till Israel surrenders'. So really, just the typical jackassery. Nothing they say can be taken at face value ergo, nothing they say should be listened to. It seems they're stalling for time to build some kind of nuke with what they have left.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 20, 2025 01:22 PM (3Ope8)

34 Burrito Supreme > Supreme Leader

Posted by: wth at June 20, 2025 01:22 PM (UjdFS)

35 Tucker has made himself into a nonentity. Nobody cares what he says. Brilliant move, Tucker.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:18 PM (Riz8t)

It's not unlike the members of the judiciary who're slowly destroying the power of the judiciary AND making the public okay with that all to slow Trump down a bit.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 20, 2025 01:23 PM (ExV1e)

36 No one can save Iran now -- except for Tucker Carlson and the "right."

Why they would want to do that, I can only speculate.


Jew hate?

I don't get Tucker's position here. I'm done with the smarmy asshole.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2025 01:23 PM (93HQ8)

37 The last time we negotiated was with an old man. Is he still around?

Posted by: The Ayatollah at June 20, 2025 01:23 PM (jc0TO)

38 I think we need to nuke them into quiet submission. Keep going till they develop some variety of animated entertainment, weird reality shows, and hump large sexualized pillows in lieu of actual mating.

Posted by: banana Dream at June 20, 2025 01:23 PM (cduTK)

39 No Mr. Mullah, I want you to die.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2025 01:23 PM (viF8m)

40 No war. We've spilled enough blood and treasure over there.

Posted by: ghost of kari at June 20, 2025 01:23 PM (An3vV)

41 Well, first it was 'We're not negotiating with PDTS', now it's 'We're not gonna negotiate till Israel surrenders'. So really, just the typical jackassery. Nothing they say can be taken at face value ergo, nothing they say should be listened to. It seems they're stalling for time to build some kind of nuke with what they have left.

They're doing what Persian rug merchants always do.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:23 PM (Riz8t)

42 19 Parley?
Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2025 01:21 PM (viF8m)

Oh, c'mon. Nobody eats parsley.

Posted by: Emily Littella at June 20, 2025 01:23 PM (a4NoL)

43 BTW, I fear that far too many conflate "regime change" with "nation building". The latter can work well; look at Pinochet. Or look at the 2nd Afghan War. The latter is Wilsonian folly. Unfortunately, since WWII, the successes in Japan, Germany, and Italy went to our heads, and we went all Wilson.

All it takes for regime change to work is to get rid of this week's President For Life, and let them know that if they screw up, we can come back. Then leave. Great powers have been doing this since the Romans.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 20, 2025 01:23 PM (od0dV)

44 I'm tired of it. I've been a bit sharp with people lately. I am just so sick of this endless cycle of Muslims murdering people in terrorist attacks and then crying to the press that they're the Real Victims Here when anyone fights back.

At some point, they have to be taught that if they want war, they're going to get war.

Amen, brother.

They can't seem to take 'NO.' or even 'Fuck NO.' for an answer from us infidels, can they?

Sometimes bullies needs their asses kicked to learn a lesson, not a good talking and a 'time out'.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 20, 2025 01:23 PM (6ydKt)

45 >>>They just seem to be willing to sell out the USA for (insert cause here) just about anybody and anything.

I give Paul a pass on this particular motivation, but the anti-West sentiment has become a pro-Islam movement mostly because it's this week's thing.

Rand, I think, enjoys being the Devil's Advocate. He sees himself as a canary in the coal mine. His job is to keep us from doing something foolish by opposing any step that might lead to something foolish. Which is kinda dumb, but slippery slopes do happen, and they happen in geo-politics a lot.

Tucker is just a troll these days.

Posted by: spongeworthy at June 20, 2025 01:23 PM (CDWlY)

46 If God is just, there will be a special place in hell, Dante style, for all the politicians and elites that funded, coddled, encouraged murderous regimes like Iran. Obama and Biden giving them all that money was just obscene.

(Though as we've seen, it looks like the Iranian military leaders siphoned a lot of it off to furnish and maintain ridiculous palaces and penthouses.)

Posted by: LizLem at June 20, 2025 01:24 PM (Eng1Z)

47 OT, but widely reported: "16 billion password data breach hits Apple, Google, Facebook"

Posted by: sudo touch --methere gp at June 20, 2025 01:24 PM (t9lPv)

48 >>>I'm tired of it.

We all are.

Look, if someone had a credible plan to do what you say and end this constant, unending nonsense in the middle east (and, to a lesser extent, around the world), I'd love to hear them out.

But it's very hard to think they're acting in good faith when they seemingly never are. Our institutions lie to us about absolutely everything at all times.

And it's impossible to ignore than previous "must act" actions the US and our allies have taken are often directly related to the current "must act" actions the US and our allies must take.

For example, if the CIA had not deposed Mosaddegh while also funding jihadist groups with the intent of fucking with the USSR (which was something like 20% muslim while the US was around 0% Muslim), then installed Pahlavi, a brutal dictator, then we very likely would not be in this position in the first place.

It's just this never ending circle jerk of CIA and (as Nixon called them) "the striped-pants faggots on Foggy Bottom" lying to us and covering up their own fuck ups.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 01:24 PM (uCjyK)

49 Can you even imagine a world in which terrorists are no longer being funded by millions and millions (maybe billions) of dollars from Iran?
____

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: Barak H Obama at June 20, 2025 01:24 PM (Dv3i1)

50 To my knowledge the US hasn't done anything but posture.
Why would we even get involved at this point?
Clean up duty?

I'm in favor of gifting a couple B-1's from the desert graveyard to our allies to do what feels right..
But somehow that "gets us involved" differently than suppling fighters bombs...

Posted by: Inogame at June 20, 2025 01:24 PM (53oGX)

51
***And I don't want this to stop until all the terror masters are dead.***

Round of applause, continues to Standing ovation.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 20, 2025 01:24 PM (K9XnW)

52 No war. We've spilled enough blood and treasure over there.

I gladly die for the Emperor.

Posted by: MOP at June 20, 2025 01:24 PM (Riz8t)

53 It's Friday, the sun is shining, and here I am sitting on my ass and making inane comments. Ain't life grand?

Posted by: tcn in AK at June 20, 2025 01:25 PM (a4NoL)

54 I don't want involvement because I don't think we can a war with Iran, because of DC.

Many here were inexplicably surprised to see the GOP and the Courts hemming up Trump immediately, without even pretending for one minute that they consider him President.

If we get involved here, they'll be just as surprised when, in ten or twenty years, we are withdrawing our forces from a fully nuclearized Iran after our generals and Senators grow even more grotesquely wealthy in the process of deliberately losing this war.

It's no small thing that Trump got elected. But that alone is far from changing the face of our regime.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice, #ProudKing #MoreKings at June 20, 2025 01:25 PM (BI5O2)

55 I think conservatives lost the messaging war on Iran as soon as we got cornered into justifying an attack on Iran mostly if not solely to stop their nuclear weapons program.

The truth is we have many reasons to attack them, including the non-insignificant fact that they declared war on us 50 years ago, and have been directly and indirectly murdering Americans ever since.

If you make it all about about how close they are to nukes, I think you lose that argument because (1) nobody knows and (2) BUT WHAT ABOUT IRAQ AND WMDS??????

Fuck these people. I hope Israel burns the entire country off the map.

Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 20, 2025 01:25 PM (iFTx/)

56 Whatever turned out to be the "big, historic surprise" Iran promised by a certain day earlier this week? I must have missed it.

Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump! at June 20, 2025 01:25 PM (rF2iL)

57 Maybe Tucker can fly to Iran, interview Khamenei and tell us how great the grocery stores are.

Posted by: redridinghood at June 20, 2025 01:25 PM (NpAcC)

58 4 Iran Refuses Trump's Offer to Negotiate a Deal, Stating That They Will Only Negotiate If Israel Gives Up the War

Utterly and completely predictable. It's what they always say. The truly amazing thing is that some continue to fall for it.

Trump needs to say: "This isn't a negotiation. You will surrender your nuke facilities; all of them. If you refuse, Israel has my blessing to obliterate you. Questions?"
Posted by: Archimedes
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Kinda reminds me of the Japan Emperor after Hiroshima.. we will talk after a ceasefire and only after a ceasefire.. ok, drops another on Nagasaki - how about now?

Why yes, we are available to speak and right now.

Posted by: NALNAMSAM at June 20, 2025 01:25 PM (dEaCb)

59 Wouldn't trust any negotiation anyway from Iran

Posted by: Skip at June 20, 2025 01:25 PM (+qU29)

60 I'm certain that the FBI has been carefully tracking all of the sleepers here, right? I mean, it's not as though these people could sneak into the country without us knowing it.


/s /s /s /s

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2025 01:26 PM (XeU6L)

61 4 Iran Refuses Trump's Offer to Negotiate a Deal, Stating That They Will Only Negotiate If Israel Gives Up the War

Utterly and completely predictable. It's what they always say. The truly amazing thing is that some continue to fall for it.

Trump needs to say: "This isn't a negotiation. You will surrender your nuke facilities; all of them. If you refuse, Israel has my blessing to obliterate you. Questions?"

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:17 PM (Riz8t)


PDT needs to include this demand: "You will surrender all uranium in your country.'

Posted by: Gref at June 20, 2025 01:26 PM (aBgBM)

62
Well done, Ace. Damn right.

Posted by: Auspex at June 20, 2025 01:26 PM (j4U/Z)

63 Iran has also refused to suspend its intercontinental ballistic missile program, too. I'm sure they have a Mostly Peaceful use for them.
......

It's just the delivery system for their new business venture: Ayatollah Prime.
They sell sand and rocks, you know, landscaping stuff.

Posted by: wth at June 20, 2025 01:26 PM (UjdFS)

64 The amoubt planes flying around looks like a Desert Storm.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 20, 2025 01:26 PM (1IUvn)

65 I will say, Iran has been absolutely relentless pushing our propaganda.

Huge efforts to convince the world that they have a nuke and can win

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 20, 2025 01:26 PM (NwfFc)

66 >>>56 Whatever turned out to be the "big, historic surprise" Iran promised by a certain day earlier this week? I must have missed it.

check the Babylon Bee. Hysterical reveal.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:27 PM (KRtlO)

67 28 I think ol' Tucker has either lost his mind, or his handlers have pulled his strings.
Posted by: tcn in AK at June 20, 2025 01:22 PM (a4NoL)

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From watching most of Tucker's podcasts, I can only guess that he's forming his opinions from a staunchly Christian standpoint, not from a "I run the free world and shit is complicated" standpoint.

Yes, killing innocents is bad, Tucker. I agree with you. But will it have to be done to stop the insanity (at least for a while), yes.



Posted by: Seems Legit at June 20, 2025 01:27 PM (PMtkd)

68 A nuclear weapon is a human right!!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2025 01:27 PM (93HQ8)

69 Trump needs to say: "This isn't a negotiation. You will surrender your nuke facilities; all of them. If you refuse, Israel has my blessing to obliterate you. Questions?"
Posted by: Archimedes
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Kinda reminds me of the Japan Emperor after Hiroshima.. we will talk after a ceasefire and only after a ceasefire.. ok, drops another on Nagasaki - how about now?

Why yes, we are available to speak and right now.


Exactly what I was thinking of.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:27 PM (Riz8t)

70 As Gen. Keane said today: "Iran built the nuclear facilities with the intention of surviving an attack and building back afterwards."

So that illusion has to be disposed of as well. Add that to the three Israeli goals and it all adds up to regime change. Like it or not, those bearded assholes have to go. I sure wish the Iranian people would take care of that problem, but if they do not someone has to do so.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 20, 2025 01:28 PM (HbDey)

71 No war. We've spilled enough blood and treasure over there.
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 20, 2025 01:23 PM (An3vV)

I'm not on Trumps national security team but all I've seen him suggest that the US do is drop a couple bombs on a specific site.

That having been said, we've been in a one-sided war with Iran since they declared war on us in 1979.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 20, 2025 01:28 PM (ExV1e)

72 Is n (itwit) going to weigh in with 50,000 posts today, or is he taking the day off to have his balls waxed so he can look good in his new sun dress?

Posted by: Ghoulposts at June 20, 2025 01:28 PM (qUkBO)

73 I'm not upset by the Tucker/Paul segment. As I see it, they are just indulging in the very modern (and, alas, very American) posturing of "Look how out of step I am. I conform to NO ONE."

Note that the essence here is being as nearly alone as possible. Who is right and who wrong doesn't actually arise.

Posted by: Eeyore at June 20, 2025 01:28 PM (od0dV)

74 There are many, many US vets who have missing limbs and comrades due to Iran. Iran DID affect us, and we owe them payback for that alone.

Posted by: pookysgirl, watching Rachmaninov again at June 20, 2025 01:28 PM (Wt5PA)

75 Many here were inexplicably surprised to see the GOP and the Courts hemming up Trump immediately, without even pretending for one minute that they consider him President.

If we get involved here, they'll be just as surprised when, in ten or twenty years, we are withdrawing our forces from a fully nuclearized Iran after our generals and Senators grow even more grotesquely wealthy in the process of deliberately losing this war.

It's no small thing that Trump got elected. But that alone is far from changing the face of our regime.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice, #ProudKing #MoreKings at June 20, 2025 01:25 PM (BI5O2)

Agreed.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 01:28 PM (uCjyK)

76 I don't understand the bloodthirst re: Iran. There are several adversarial nations which have nuclear weapons, so it's not as if we don't already live in that reality.

And people act like this is just going to be some clean operation, and there will be zero fall out from war against Iran. We don't even know what the humanitarian consequences will be from the ongoing war with Gaza, and now we're supposed to fully on board with war in Iran?

People like Ace and Mark Levin want to smear everyone not fully supportive of this war as hyper-isolationist Paulite Qatari grifter anti-semites or whatever, but there isn't a clear objective nor is there any indication of what the plan is down the road. After the fall, who's going to keep the peace? Are we going to allow the nation to descend into ethnic anarchy? Are we on the hook for humanitarian aid? If you're in favor of action in Iran, I think you have a responsibility to spell it all out.

Posted by: wat at June 20, 2025 01:29 PM (Dk542)

77 Probably Carlson has some young nieces and nephews who are very left-wing and "pacifist" (in the sense they believe the West is the root of all evil and should disarm unilaterally) and he wants to find some common ground with them. He thinks that by being anti-Israel he will become the cool uncle he was meant to be.

Posted by: PG at June 20, 2025 01:29 PM (afPT4)

78 You can indeed run weapons grade uranium in a reactor, but the only reason to do that is to shrink it so you can stuff it in a submarine. Id rather Iran have an SSN than a nuke, but it fails to fill me with joy.

Posted by: Locarno at June 20, 2025 01:29 PM (x5Bel)

79 I bet that big Panda in China is getting tired of Trump pushing his poop in. First he whacks him with record tariffs that push his economy to the breaking point and then he takes away his gas station.

I'm content to let Israel bomb the shit out of Iran until there is nothing but bounding rubble. Then bomb the rubble.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2025 01:29 PM (viF8m)

80 I'm mostly in agreement with what you're saying Ace, no problem with Iran being obliterated by Israel. Tired of half measures.

But I don't really trust Trump, he said he would end the war in Ukraine on Day 1. But then he signed some silly "rare earth minerals" deal and the money keeps flowing. Will Trump involve US troops for an oil deal in Iran? Probably.

Posted by: Eldo at June 20, 2025 01:29 PM (kRhM/)

81 >>>Fuck these people. I hope Israel burns the entire country off the map.


Do you have a newsletter, perchance?

Posted by: JQ at June 20, 2025 01:29 PM (rdVOm)

82 The left's position on Israel is that any action against her is justified because of the original sin of "occupation." Many of them made that position crystal clear following 10/7. They repeatedly deflected any criticism by referring to 60+ years of "occupation," making it clear that they consider every murder, kidnapping, maiming, bombing, etc. to be justified.

I am certain the left makes the exact same calculation when it comes to the original sin of slavery in the US. They will justify anything and everything as long as they can tie it in any way to that.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 20, 2025 01:29 PM (lIio7)

83 Someone posited yesterday that they're stalling till they can pull off a massive terror attack, and then use the threat of further as a bargaining chip.

If it was here, that would backfire. But if in Europe, then they'd all be piling on us to back off. If that matters.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 20, 2025 01:29 PM (ITkJX)

84 A large Iranian missile hit Haifa this morning. Casualties reported. The Iranians really want to get themselves dead

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 20, 2025 01:30 PM (IG2sK)

85 Oh good, another adventure in the Middle East. But this time, guys, we'll be greeted as liberators!

Our boys will be home by Christmas!

Posted by: JasonG at June 20, 2025 01:30 PM (3+0We)

86 >>>From watching most of Tucker's podcasts, I can only guess that he's forming his opinions from a staunchly Christian standpoint, not from a "I run the free world and shit is complicated" standpoint.

I don't believe he's a Christian. He never was before. He was always the atheist cosmopolitan sophisticated Yankee type before. I think his embrace of Christ is a commercial move and it makes him a better polemicist for his largely Christian audience.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:30 PM (KRtlO)

87 Can you even imagine a world in which terrorists are no longer being funded by millions and millions (maybe billions) of dollars

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Four men plead guilty to $550 million USAID fraud scheme

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Shit happens.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Master of the Mundane at June 20, 2025 01:30 PM (L/fGl)

88 Great post Spot on

Posted by: doug at June 20, 2025 01:30 PM (Hy+R4)

89 56 Whatever turned out to be the "big, historic surprise" Iran promised by a certain day earlier this week? I must have missed it.
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I think it was cluster bombs aimed at civilians.

Posted by: Ghoulposts at June 20, 2025 01:30 PM (qUkBO)

90 I just have a now or never feeling about this. The weird beards have to be deposed now. I don't really care what comes after, even other mullahs, as long as Iran gives up it's nuclear and military ambitions.

Posted by: toby928 at June 20, 2025 01:30 PM (jc0TO)

91 ...Oh, and of course, to add insult to injury, not only do we get involved all of these conflicts around in the world, many times in ways that come back to bite us in the ass (working with Turkey, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia to fund Muslim terrorists to fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan and to commit acts of terrorism in the USSR, who then turn around and fly planes in to our buildings, as one example), we then open the doors to the US and invite the people from these countries to come live here, and put them at the front of the line to get welfare, jobs, etc. etc. and preen about how great our legal immigrants are.

It's just exasperating.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 01:30 PM (uCjyK)

92 On can go crazy looking for even a germ of what we would call rationality in the thinking of these Muslim fanatics. I think it's very important to focus on the externals, what they are actually doing, regardless of why they are doing it, and what they are doing is universally destructive. I am completely baffled as to why Carlson and his new friends are so down on Israel for its military campaign which is clearly existential in nature.

Oh, and I stumbled across this extraordinarily weird and creepy corner of the Prophet's life yesterday. Maybe one of the mullahs can be prevailed upon to explain this story before he's vaporized.

https://tinyurl.com/4vbr6y78

Posted by: Paco at June 20, 2025 01:30 PM (mADJX)

93 Tucker Carlson hates all people and things that are Jewish. No, I am not happy to report that. I was not happy to discover that. I liked Tucker. But I can't unsee his years of not-so-subtle antisemitism.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at June 20, 2025 01:30 PM (TdCYS)

94 Iran nuking Israel and funding terrorism through oil sales is a problem for everyone, us included.

This ain't war fighting to gain a strategic stop gap against the spread of communism.

I'm a bit of an isolationist myself but these are exigent circumstances.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2025 01:30 PM (93HQ8)

95 I think ol' Tucker has either lost his mind, or his handlers have pulled his strings.
Posted by: tcn in AK at June 20, 2025 01:22 PM (a4NoL)

I think he's trying to build a successful podcasting business, and he'll fall in with whatever successful podcasters are saying. I suspect if guys like Rogan and Dillon and so forth were pro-Israel, he'd sound much different right now.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice, #ProudKing #MoreKings at June 20, 2025 01:30 PM (BI5O2)

96 "At some point, they have to be taught that if they want war, they're going to get war."

We Crusaded to the Holy Land, and all we got was this lousy t-shirt and centuries of do-gooder condemnation.

Posted by: Knights Templar at June 20, 2025 01:30 PM (MTz2u)

97 Parley?
Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2025 01:21 PM (viF8m)


Hey Cap'n Jack, aren't you supposed to go through the litany of other par words first, like parsnip, and parsley?
Poor form there, mate.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 20, 2025 01:30 PM (FCbAQ)

98
No war. We've spilled enough blood and treasure over there.
Posted by: ghost of kari

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No blood, but I can compromise on losing a little treasure to the tune of one MOP and the fuel it takes to deliver it. I don't see that as "What if Trump suddenly goes crazy and sends 100,000 troops to fight on Iran's soil?"

Posted by: Your Betters at June 20, 2025 01:31 PM (lCaJd)

99 the potential upsides.

Strait of Hormuz renamed to MAGA Strait.
Speed boat racing resumes without needing Gun Ships.

Posted by: DaveA at June 20, 2025 01:31 PM (FhXTo)

100 "The Americans have repeatedly sent messages calling seriously for negotiations," the minister said during televised remarks. "But we have made clear that as long as the aggression does not stop, there will be no place for diplomacy and dialogue."

Gaslighting. Trying to frame Israel as the aggressor, after lobbing missile after missile at Israel.

Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump! at June 20, 2025 01:31 PM (rF2iL)

101 who was the eleventh imam?

Posted by: MAC V SOG at June 20, 2025 01:31 PM (P4Pk9)

102 I don't understand the bloodthirst re: Iran. There are several adversarial nations which have nuclear weapons, so it's not as if we don't already live in that reality.

You're so right. For example, we never talk about nuking Great Britain or France. I dunno, perhaps it has something to do with the 50 years of hysterical threats against us, the thousands of dead and maimed at their hands, and the active attempts to build a bomb to obliterate Israel, one of our top allies, and then to follow that up with an attack on us. Could be. Might be worth your consideration.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:31 PM (Riz8t)

103 >>>We don't even know what the humanitarian consequences will be from the ongoing war with Gaza, and now we're supposed to fully on board with war in Iran?

Oh I have an answer to that: I could give a fuck about the humanitarian consequences for Gaza and, for that matter, Iran, or any of these other shithole nations.

You've kind of exposed yourself here.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:31 PM (KRtlO)

104 HIFI leaving Hawaii.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 20, 2025 01:31 PM (1IUvn)

105 Kill them all and let allah sort them out.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 20, 2025 01:32 PM (17s+e)

106 I don't understand how Muslims got most favored status where they can demand anything and never have to give up anything.

Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at June 20, 2025 01:33 PM (SXxzC)

107 Wouldn't trust any negotiation anyway from Iran
Posted by: Skip


Pallets of cash will get the ball rolling.

Posted by: Ayatollah at June 20, 2025 01:33 PM (UjdFS)

108 Thanks to Iran's and Hamas's terrible miscalculation in launching the 10/7 massacre -- don't forget, Iran trained Hamas for that attack, and Hamas practiced paragliding in Iran -- Hamas and Hezballah are all but destroyed. Iran's satrap king in Syria was deposed.

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Also don't forget that Iran, twice last year, shot hundreds of missiles and drones at Israel.

This is a continuation of the same war with Iran and its proxies Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis that began on 10/07/23.

The war didn't end on 10/07.
That was just the first battle, which Iran & Co. started out of nowhere on a peaceful Jewish holiday.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 20, 2025 01:33 PM (6ydKt)

109 >>>93 Tucker Carlson hates all people and things that are Jewish. No, I am not happy to report that. I was not happy to discover that. I liked Tucker. But I can't unsee his years of not-so-subtle antisemitism.

I have trouble finding any other reason for it. For two years he's done nothing but attack Israel and attempt to convince his largely-christian audience that Israel hates christians. He had on a Christian Palestinian, probably from Gaza, to talk about how mean the Israelis were.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:33 PM (KRtlO)

110 "The Americans have repeatedly sent messages calling seriously for negotiations," the minister said during televised remarks. "But we have made clear that as long as the aggression does not stop, there will be no place for diplomacy and dialogue."


Translation: we are helpless to stop the Israeli bombing.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:34 PM (Riz8t)

111 The Israelis are now saying that Iran was fifteen days away from having a deployable nuclear weapon, which is why they struck.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 20, 2025 01:34 PM (xTIDn)

112 Being against war in and of itself, frankly, can be arguable. I don't think anyone here at least WANTS war. But that position isn't made in a vacuum. Sometimes what you don't want is what you're stuck with.

This is to say that being anti-war as an endpoint (No War Ever) instead of a simple bias (War Is Not Preferable) is not very thoughtful imo.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 20, 2025 01:34 PM (N05TY)

113 We don't even know what the humanitarian consequences will be from the ongoing war with Gaza, and now we're supposed to fully on board with war in Iran?

Oh I have an answer to that: I could give a fuck about the humanitarian consequences for Gaza and, for that matter, Iran, or any of these other shithole nations.

You've kind of exposed yourself here.
Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:31 PM (KRtlO)
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I do care about ruminantian consequences. Which will be positive. The Gazan goats will be much happier.

Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 20, 2025 01:34 PM (iFTx/)

114 I have trouble finding any other reason for it. For two years he's done nothing but attack Israel and attempt to convince his largely-christian audience that Israel hates christians. He had on a Christian Palestinian, probably from Gaza, to talk about how mean the Israelis were.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:33 PM (KRtlO

Old money racism runs deep.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2025 01:34 PM (93HQ8)

115 BTW he had on that Palestinian Christian to accuse israel of anti-christian pogroms before 10/7, too.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:34 PM (KRtlO)

116 We've overextended ourselves internationally over the past decade. Because of the financial boondoggle that is Ukraine, and the debacle of leaving Afghanistan/the war on terror, I don't want a land war in Iran where we send more of our soldiers to be pointlessly killed, and our treasure and taxes to be wasted. Especially if it turns into a forever war, which the DC swamp always craves, because they always profit from it.

But, I also want the Iranian people free, and the mullahs to hang for their crimes. And that's can't happen without someone spilling blood and spending treasure. I'd just rather it not be us. But then who?

Posted by: LizLem at June 20, 2025 01:35 PM (Eng1Z)

117 and of course Tucker Carlson is a great fan of Candace Owens now!

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:35 PM (KRtlO)

118 I still have visions of an alternate timeline where Obama as POTUS led from the front instead of behind, for once, and had supported the green revolution the way Trump would have, and it had succeeded. But it's a silly daydream, he was never gonna do that.

Posted by: LizLem at June 20, 2025 01:35 PM (Eng1Z)

119 I don't understand the bloodthirst re: Iran.

Then that's by choice.

It has been pointed out, repeatedly, that Iran declared war on the US in 1979. A declaration which Iran has never rescinded. Iran, and Iranian proxies, has attacked US interests continually since that declaration in 1979.

We are, in fact, at war with Iran. Either we choose to do something aimed at ending it or we choose to allow them to continue killing Americans without consequence.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 20, 2025 01:35 PM (ExV1e)

120 I don't understand how Muslims got most favored status where they can demand anything and never have to give up anything.
Posted by: Northernlurker

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Because Europeans hate jewish people.

Posted by: Eldo at June 20, 2025 01:35 PM (kRhM/)

121 Islam is a barnacle on the taint of the human race.

Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at June 20, 2025 01:35 PM (SXxzC)

122 Yeah, LOL. If Israel exterminates every living thing in Gaza, including the birds and animals like the Muslims once did in Delhi, I couldn't care less about that.

G-d forbid the world should lose its precious Palestinians, our most important natural resource.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice, #ProudKing #MoreKings at June 20, 2025 01:36 PM (BI5O2)

123 Oh I have an answer to that: I could give a fuck about the humanitarian consequences for Gaza and, for that matter, Iran, or any of these other shithole nations.

You've kind of exposed yourself here.
Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:31 PM (KRtlO)

Iran put the Hamas/Gaza pawn onto the board.

They don't get to complain when it's taken off the board.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 20, 2025 01:36 PM (N05TY)

124 Bomb and do not rebuild. No more winning hearts and minds. Make those hearts and minds fear us so they don't think of attacking again.

The old ways are the best ways and they worked.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 20, 2025 01:36 PM (17s+e)

125 I am content for us to be the Arsenal of Vengeance in this matter.

Posted by: toby928 at June 20, 2025 01:36 PM (jc0TO)

126 The Israelis are now saying that Iran was fifteen days away from having a deployable nuclear weapon, which is why they struck.

Pfffft. Has there been a mushroom cloud anywhere over Tel Aviv? No? Well then, there's no imminent problem and it's all Israel's fault.

/s

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:36 PM (Riz8t)

127 >>>But, I also want the Iranian people free, and the mullahs to hang for their crimes. And that's can't happen without someone spilling blood and spending treasure. I'd just rather it not be us. But then who?

honestly the only thing that we even would be required to do, if Israel can't manage it, is bomb Fodrow and a couple other nuke sites. We don't have to take out the leadership; Israel has Mossad agents working with Iranian dissidents to kill them all.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:37 PM (KRtlO)

128 And I don't want this to stop until all the terror masters are dead.
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Victory is the only way to stop a "cycle of violence."

Posted by: Methos at June 20, 2025 01:37 PM (Dnobf)

129 I wonder how much of Iran's current (past?) government still remains in country. I think one possible avenue of action is to make damn sure the ones that fled can't return. And root out the remain ones.

By any means necessary.

The nuclear facilities are impotent without someone providing money, and direction. It's not like they run themselves.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 20, 2025 01:37 PM (Q4IgG)

130 If you have ever done a business negotiation with an Iranian then you already know what a bunch of scummy lying bastages they are.

If you haven't then be advised I chose the nicest terms I could to describe them.

Posted by: CZ = FNG, Free Republic of Florida at June 20, 2025 01:37 PM (MkuC5)

131 I'd be OK with some explicit, stated goals. Provide weapons and intelligence to the IAF and give them free reign. Publish a list of every known terrorist allied with Iran and it's proxies and then hunt them down and kill them.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 20, 2025 01:37 PM (3Ope8)

132 Oh I have an answer to that: I could give a fuck about the humanitarian consequences for Gaza and, for that matter, Iran, or any of these other shithole nations.

You've kind of exposed yourself here.
Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:31 PM (KRtlO)

Unfortunately ace, we have to care. Because once Iran is bombed to shit, the people won't want to stay there. This will be the cause / excuse for a fresh round of Muslim migration to Europe and the US.

I doubt Putin is signing up to take in 90 million "refugees" from Iran.

So then our next best option is to say "fine, we'll spend a shit ton of money rebuilding your country so you stay there" which, well... see: Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. etc.

It's just ... we've seen this movie before.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 01:37 PM (uCjyK)

133 117 and of course Tucker Carlson is a great fan of Candace Owens now!
Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:35 PM (KRtlO)

Not to blow sunshine up your squeak hole, but you're the only media personality that doesn't flip flop with the current popular opinion crowd.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2025 01:37 PM (93HQ8)

134 I don't get Tucker's position here. I'm done with the smarmy asshole.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

I used to like Candy Owens.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Master of the Mundane at June 20, 2025 01:37 PM (L/fGl)

135 The Israelis are now saying that Iran was fifteen days away from having a deployable nuclear weapon, which is why they struck.

Which makes sense.

Iran used to think that it had deterred Israel because any attack on Iran would cause Hamas to launch thousands of missiles at Israel, and Hezbollah to launch tens of thousands of missiles at Israel.

Without Hamas and Hezbollah, Iran needed a new deterrent, and quickly: thus, full speed ahead on a nuke.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 20, 2025 01:37 PM (xTIDn)

136 Iran: you'll bomb us until you run out of money
DC: we'll just run the debt up even greater.
Iran: drat, foiled again

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 20, 2025 01:37 PM (IG2sK)

137 Unconditional surrender of the Islamia menace.

Posted by: night lifted at June 20, 2025 01:37 PM (FZn/N)

138 I don't understand the bloodthirst re: Iran.

Then that's by choice.


There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:37 PM (Riz8t)

139 there isn't a clear objective nor is there any indication of what the plan is down the road. After the fall, who's going to keep the peace? Are we going to allow the nation to descend into ethnic anarchy? Are we on the hook for humanitarian aid?

- there isn't a clear objective - drop bombs on the nuke site
- After the fall, who's going to keep the peace? - not us
- Are we going to allow the nation to descend into ethnic anarchy? - does Iran have warring ethnics tribes? I don't think so.
- Are we on the hook for humanitarian aid? - no

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 20, 2025 01:37 PM (ExV1e)

140
And people act like this is just going to be some clean operation, and there will be zero fall out from war against Iran.

Posted by: wat

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Who's acting like that? Of course if the government falls in a nation of 92 million that has its share of bloodthirsty tribalists and grudge-holders there's going to be chaos. Everyone knows that and no one wants it. I don't blame Trump for deciding he's not going to fail to get a deal for lack of trying, but there's a red line.

Posted by: Your Betters at June 20, 2025 01:38 PM (lCaJd)

141 Naval cores are highly enriched beyond weapons grade so they don’t have to refuel as often. The trade off is a reactor that lasts for 30 years vs. 2. Civilian power reactors would certainly benefit from higher enrichment, but it comes at a higher cost .

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2025 01:38 PM (ymT3i)

142 It's not just Iran. It's all of islam. Islam must be eliminated.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 20, 2025 01:38 PM (WPL6O)

143 The Israelis are now saying that Iran was fifteen days away from having a deployable nuclear weapon, which is why they struck.

Pfffft. Has there been a mushroom cloud anywhere over Tel Aviv? No? Well then, there's no imminent problem and it's all Israel's fault.

/s
Posted by: Archimedes

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I dont even think a nuke going off in Tel Aviv would make a difference in how the world deals with Israel.

They basically had their own 9/11 inflicted on them and the world still uniformly backed Hamas.

Posted by: Eldo at June 20, 2025 01:38 PM (kRhM/)

144
Posted by: Your Betters at June 20, 2025 01:38 PM (lCaJd)

Stupid sock, sorry.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 20, 2025 01:38 PM (lCaJd)

145 > Whatever turned out to be the "big, historic surprise" Iran promised by a certain day earlier this week? I must have missed it.

I believe that was the Fattah-1 hypersonic missile Iran recently started lobbing at Israel. Iran believed they could not be intercepted and would be an Iron Dome buster. Israel still has a high interception rate, but I don't know the Fattah-1's success rate.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 20, 2025 01:38 PM (lIio7)

146 Iran just confessed that they haven't had enough of the beatings yet, so let the beatings continue. Let Israel "break stuff" and encourage the actual Persians to take to the streets. Continue both efforts until the Mullahs are hanged in public.

We can figure the rest out after that. There is nothing to talk about.

Posted by: Crusader at June 20, 2025 01:39 PM (TN0g+)

147 When I read Fodrow I think Mordor

Posted by: doug at June 20, 2025 01:39 PM (Hy+R4)

148
Posted by: Your Betters at June 20, 2025 01:31 PM (lCaJd)

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Raaagghh, that sock makes it look like sarc. But I meant it!

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 20, 2025 01:39 PM (lCaJd)

149 This is to say that being anti-war as an endpoint (No War Ever) instead of a simple bias (War Is Not Preferable) is not very thoughtful imo.
Posted by: WitchDoktor

Yeah, it's a position that's fun for thought experiments and high school debate team. Not useful in the real world. If no war under any circumstance is your stand, you've basically cut off your legs in any conflict.

This we'll defend?

Posted by: She Hobbit at June 20, 2025 01:39 PM (ftFVW)

150 You can indeed run weapons grade uranium in a reactor, but the only reason to do that is to shrink it so you can stuff it in a submarine. Id rather Iran have an SSN than a nuke, but it fails to fill me with joy.
Posted by: Locarno at June 20, 2025 01:29 PM (x5Bel)

I question the assertion that submarines use weapons grade uranium. More highly refined than civilian I can see but not weapons grade.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 20, 2025 01:39 PM (ExV1e)

151 >>>124 Bomb and do not rebuild. No more winning hearts and minds. Make those hearts and minds fear us so they don't think of attacking again.

exactly. It's like that Star Trek episode, a Taste of Armageddon, where the war is fought by computer simulations and those "killed" according to the simulation just report dutifully to the disintegration chambers.

We've made war too clean and easy and even pleasant for our enemies. People we "defeat" in war *don't feel defeated.* We're frankly spending too much money and too many American lives to make sure that not a single civilian is hurt.

We don't bomb cities-- we just take out electric grids, which we then have to send troops to repair. And those troops are killed by terrorists while trying to restore power.

Meanwhile, they're deliberately bombing hospitals and raiding music festivals.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:39 PM (KRtlO)

152 Trump should only negotiate when no Iranian leadership is left to negotiate.

Posted by: Bang-a-gong at June 20, 2025 01:39 PM (SRiFu)

153 Mrs. Paco's family is from South America, but they are ethnically Palestinian Christians, and even they can't stand the Palestinians. Mrs. Paco, for the record, is strongly pro-Israel (as am I).

Posted by: Paco at June 20, 2025 01:40 PM (mADJX)

154 I speak only for myself. Ever since Jimmy Carter set those bastards up it's been nonstop terrorism with bombings and wholesale slaughter. I wouldn't bat an eye if they got nuked, several times. Screw the bunker buster bombs, drop something on them that will permanently etch in their memories what happens when the real hammer drops.

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at June 20, 2025 01:40 PM (tykPk)

155 I don't believe he's a Christian. He never was before. He was always the atheist cosmopolitan sophisticated Yankee type before. I think his embrace of Christ is a commercial move and it makes him a better polemicist for his largely Christian audience.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:30 PM (KRtlO)

Agreed. "By their fruits you shall know them" and all that.

Posted by: pookysgirl likes grapes at June 20, 2025 01:41 PM (Wt5PA)

156
We don't even know what the humanitarian consequences will be from the ongoing war with Gaza,


Who cares?

After the fall, who's going to keep the peace? Are we going to allow the nation to descend into ethnic anarchy?


We wouldn't want to interfere in Iranian domestic politics, would we? I'm confident that the Iranians can work that out for themselves.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 20, 2025 01:41 PM (y9nCu)

157 >>>Not to blow sunshine up your squeak hole, but you're the only media personality that doesn't flip flop with the current popular opinion crowd.

thank you.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:41 PM (KRtlO)

158 Looking back to the days of the Shah, it's almost hard to believe. Search "Images Iran 1970's". A civilization on the march to modernity.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2025 01:41 PM (XeU6L)

159 The GOP is planning something stupid I bet. Lyndsey at the helm...

Posted by: Django at June 20, 2025 01:41 PM (Ef4Ak)

160 The Iranians are use to the old days of negotiating when Obama/ValJar/Kerry… sat on the Iranian side of the table during negotiations

Posted by: Bang-a-gong at June 20, 2025 01:41 PM (SRiFu)

161 My gut feeling is "tiny Israel is taking all the risks of war here and the U.S. should take advantage by selling Israel whatever weapons it needs to deal with the mad Mullahs once and for all." I'd say give them very generous long term payment plans too. The D's support the mad Mullahs, and the window to get things done is short cuz the D's will find new ways to cheat and the LIVs will start believing the FNM that we need to go back to Ds in charge and beef up the so called "safety net" again.

Posted by: PaleRider at June 20, 2025 01:41 PM (bP/i4)

162 Unfortunately ace, we have to care. Because once Iran is bombed to shit, the people won't want to stay there. This will be the cause / excuse for a fresh round of Muslim migration to Europe and the US.

I doubt Putin is signing up to take in 90 million "refugees" from Iran.

So then our next best option is to say "fine, we'll spend a shit ton of money rebuilding your country so you stay there" which, well... see: Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. etc.


Why do you assume that refugees from Iran will come here or to Europe? Letting a bunch of 3rd world savages into our countries was a choice. We simply have to choose not to. As to spending money rebuilding Iran, I ask again, why? They have some of the world's largest oil reserves, and if they spend it on their country and not nukes and nutcases in the rest of the ME, they'll be fine. Regardless, it is again our choice to give them money or not. I opt for not.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:42 PM (Riz8t)

163 Future war may just be assassinating leadership.

We've got the intelligence and smart weapons to do that. Why kill a soldier following an order. Kill the order giver. And the guy who replaces him.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2025 01:42 PM (93HQ8)

164 But I don't really trust Trump, he said he would end the war in Ukraine on Day 1. But then he signed some silly "rare earth minerals" deal and the money keeps flowing.

Given that Trump is not the head of state foe either belligerent, he can't actually end the war. He can just push for it.

When did Trump authorize more money for Ukraine? The silly "rare earth minerals" deal was an effort to recoup some of the money already spent.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 20, 2025 01:42 PM (ExV1e)

165 >>>147 When I read Fodrow I think Mordor

one does not simply walk into Fodrow.

Posted by: Boromir (deceased) at June 20, 2025 01:42 PM (KRtlO)

166 But let's be honest, if we do get involved in Iran, we will spend trillions cleaning everything up. It's not even a question. Trump likes being Santa Claus. And he'll promise people we will get Iran's oil in exchange, which we won't.

Trump can't/won't stop funding Ukraine that's a complete lost cause because someone hoodwinked him that we'll get some silly mining deal.

You really have to be naive to think Ukraine is going to cut us some multi billion dollar check in the future for mineral rights.

Posted by: Eldo at June 20, 2025 01:42 PM (kRhM/)

167 Ace, you forgot to mention that this is all happening in Pride Month.

PRIDE MONTH!!!

Posted by: Don, the Rebel without a Blog at June 20, 2025 01:42 PM (DJ5dK)

168 there's a great South Park scene where Cartman starts a fight with Kyle and keeps trying to call timeout when Kyle is kicking his ass

that's what Iran and Hamas do

Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at June 20, 2025 01:42 PM (V6W16)

169 Remember that the Houthis are Iranian proxies and haven't had the crap kicked out of them to the degree other proxies have; Trump may be holding off until there's enough navy in the area to deal with any temper tantrums from that quarter.

I dont want any further wars in the ME but this really is a
golden opportunity to deal with fifty years of festering unfinished business . Let Israel take point; they aren't likely to grow the mission beyond breaking shit and killing dudes. Sell/lease/lend whatever's needed and maybe airstrikes and naval ops, but if we put boots on the ground Washington won't sleep until they can thoroughly fuck up everything.

Posted by: Locarno at June 20, 2025 01:42 PM (x5Bel)

170 >>>Not to blow sunshine up your squeak hole, but you're the only media personality that doesn't flip flop with the current popular opinion crowd.

thank you.
Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:41 PM

You have changed, for the better in my mind, but it is a slow grinding evolution, like a glacier wiping out an alpine village.

Posted by: toby928 at June 20, 2025 01:43 PM (jc0TO)

171 36 No one can save Iran now -- except for Tucker Carlson and the "right."

Why they would want to do that, I can only speculate.


Jew hate?

I don't get Tucker's position here. I'm done with the smarmy asshole.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
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Money from Qatar and Saudi land plus Tucker's ole man was CIA I think. That particular version of DC public interest is not well reported while people shriek about AIPAC.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2025 01:43 PM (ctrM5)

172 But ace, unless you can tell me the precise population and genetic makeup of the population of Iran right now, you aren't allowed to have an opinion.

Posted by: Cucker Tarlson at June 20, 2025 01:43 PM (8iNlE)

173 159 The GOP is planning something stupid I bet. Lyndsey at the helm...
Posted by: Django at June 20, 2025 01:41 PM (Ef4Ak

That greedy homosexual sadist is probably running through half a dozen catamites a night as this unfolds. I'm sure he's in high ardor.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice, #ProudKing #MoreKings at June 20, 2025 01:43 PM (BI5O2)

174 I don't believe he's a Christian. He never was before. He was always the atheist cosmopolitan sophisticated Yankee type before. I think his embrace of Christ is a commercial move and it makes him a better polemicist for his largely Christian audience.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:30

Interesting. Well stated.

Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at June 20, 2025 01:43 PM (SXxzC)

175 Our boys will be home by Christmas!

Literally no one is suggesting sending US ground troops.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 20, 2025 01:43 PM (ExV1e)

176 Like a lot of people, I was a "liberal" until 9/11.

On that day, I went from soft-left to hard-hard-hard right.

Since then, I have matured a little and gained wisdom with age, and evolved to hard-hard-hard-hard-hard-hard-hard right.

And now I know that this didn't start with 9/11. That was simply the day the scales fell from my eyes. Osama bin Laden was committing terror attackxs in the '90s. the Mujahideen a Hezbollah in the '80s. Palestinian hijackings and atrocities in the '70s.And back and back and back it goes, and you finally raise your head and look backward over the horizon of history and you realize with hrror that this all started in 600AD with some pychotic cult leader named Mohammed whose followers galloped out of the desert with scimitars and started a 1,500-year "jihad" which has continued uninterrupted since that time. And that this jihad has been one of the main determinant features of human history for the last millennium and a hlaf. The only fact that has prevented us from remembering this is that occasionally we successfully defeat them in battle and things go quiet for a while. Until they regroup and continue the jihad unabated.

Finish them.

Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2025 01:43 PM (pMi6S)

177 My theory on Tucker, which ace does not agree with, is that he was a big supporter of the war in Iraq and when the WMD predictions didn't pan out he felt betrayed and he doesn't trust anyone to tell the truth about Iran or any potential new conflict.

I don't want a war. I don't know anyone who does. But I want a bunch of religious freaks who believe allah commands them to kill all non believers having nukes even less.

Nobody who carries wants to shoot anyone. Some times you don't get a choice. If the intel shows Iran is near breakout with a nuke someone has to stop them. This isn't or North Korea. This lunatics will use a nuke.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2025 01:43 PM (viF8m)

178 Iran can sell oil and natural resources to fund their rebuild.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2025 01:43 PM (93HQ8)

179 I'm so hard right now.

Posted by: John Bolton at June 20, 2025 01:43 PM (Htufl)

180 Air burst a dirty bomb around the mouth of the nuclear reactor mountain Fordow.

In the midst of the nuclear fever of the 1940s, when atomic energy was seen as a symbol of progress, a cereal company decided to make history... although not exactly for safe reasons.
In 1947, the Kix brand launched an unusual promotion: for just 15 cents and a box of cereal, children could receive the Lone Ranger Atomic "Bomb" Ring. A futuristic ring containing... Poland-210.
Yep, radioactive material.
The ring had a small "magic camera" with zinc sulfur screen. Glowing thanks to polen emitted alpha particles. Theoretically, harmless .. as long as they don't enter the body.
But polonium-210 is one of the most lethal isotopes that exists if inhaled or ingested. And yet no one seemed to care. Enthusiasm for the atomic age was so great that child safety has taken a background.
Today, this ring is preserved as a curious museum relic. A reminder to that naive time when radioactive was synonymous with modernity... and not out of danger.
Because there was a time they put polish on toys. And no one found it crazy.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 20, 2025 01:44 PM (5WDkb)

181 The Iranian mullahs are, like the commies, an existential threat since they avowedly do not seek coexistence.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 20, 2025 01:44 PM (ITkJX)

182 - there isn't a clear objective - drop bombs on the nuke site
- After the fall, who's going to keep the peace? - not us
- Are we going to allow the nation to descend into ethnic anarchy? - does Iran have warring ethnics tribes? I don't think so.
- Are we on the hook for humanitarian aid? - no
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 20, 2025 01:37 PM (ExV1e)

Just like Iraq in 2002 -- they don't TODAY, but that's largely because they live under a dictatorship.

Persians are something like 60% of the population. Turks, Azerbaijanis (sp?), Kurds, etc. etc. all have significant minority populations.

Nobody knows what's going to happen in a power vacuum. Turkey has their own thoughts on Iran and on the Kurds, and they're no small player in the area. Russia is right next door and Iran is one of their sort of allies, how are they going to react?

Iraq is heavily influenced by Iran, what's the future look like in Iraq without the Mullahs?

I don't know the answer to any of those questions, but neither does anyone else. And no one is even asking the questions.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 01:44 PM (uCjyK)

183 Future war may just be assassinating leadership.

Direct Accountability.

Posted by: toby928 at June 20, 2025 01:44 PM (jc0TO)

184 A historian opined that WWII really started when Hitler violated the Munich Agreement and invaded the rest of Czechoslovakia because at that point we knew we could never trust Hitler. That’s where we are with the Mad Mullahs.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Master of the Mundane at June 20, 2025 01:44 PM (L/fGl)

185 Tucker Carlson was making a lot of noise about UFOs a while back. Maybe he, you know, got taken on board, and the aliens got a little careless with the electrodes.

Posted by: Paco at June 20, 2025 01:44 PM (mADJX)

186 For two years he's done nothing but attack Israel and attempt to convince his largely-christian audience that Israel hates christians. He had on a Christian Palestinian, probably from Gaza, to talk about how mean the Israelis were.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:33 PM (KRtlO

Hmmm. I wonder if that's where an acquaintance of mine got his story about Israeli Jews hating Christians. I asked Biden's Dog about it, and it sounds like there is a certain amount of that, to my surprise. But I had assumed that it was mostly happening with culturally-"Christian" people who were making themselves odious to Israelis by being problems.

Posted by: Emmie at June 20, 2025 01:45 PM (rF2iL)

187 Bravo, Ace.

NOTHING will change radical islam. Any attempt for reform you die, infidel! Due to the koran (note I don't capitalized on purpose), they are told to kill for for the caliphate. They are allowed to lie to anyone for their cause in the koran (taqiyya), and this is what the West falls for. Democracy or modern islam, my ass.

Meanwhile, for decades, they take over entire no-go areas of Paris and other cities in Europe and create voting blocks. Elect their officials in government.Burn churches and kill priests.

The caliphate that Mark Steyn talked about twenty years ago exists and is winning in Rotherham, UK.

Nothing will change this, especially a new moolah/sp in Iran. They are all of the same stripe. Those that are "moderate" fear the label of infidel if they attempt reform. It continues. This cancer won't end until eradicated. We have weapons no one knows about. They should fear and I hope someday they do.

I spy on reddit for laughs. Yesterday they went from fear of Trump killing Iran to he's a chicken. Complete idiots, I know, but it is reflected in comments on the idiotic UK DM. A swarm of ingrates rise up from nests.

Prayers for wisdom for Trump/Vance, etc.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 20, 2025 01:45 PM (6PCLE)

188 who was the eleventh imam?
Posted by: MAC V SOG at June 20, 2025 01:31 PM (P4Pk9)

Elvis. Not widely known.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 20, 2025 01:45 PM (ExV1e)

189 President Carter's gift to the world that keeps on giving. Reason #10K why you should never let a Democrat near foreign policy decision making. God only knows what else he would have done had he won re-election.

Posted by: Cheri at June 20, 2025 01:45 PM (oiNtH)

190 " Burrito Supreme > Supreme Leader
Posted by: wth "



Well...yeah.

Posted by: eleven at June 20, 2025 01:45 PM (fV+MH)

191 Very well said, ace

and all of it is common-sensical

Posted by: kallisto at June 20, 2025 01:45 PM (dCxaZ)

192 I don't care if Iran was fifteen days or fifteen months away from succeeding. The goal was to build a nuclear warhead. and attaching that to an ICBM. Those twin development projects were reaching past the theoretical phase and into the merely mechanical. Iran announced their goals with respect to the missile program and you'd have to be stupid not to see the nuclear goal. Israel had knocked Hezbollah and Hamas into ineffectiveness, allowing an attack window they took advantage of.

In other words, Israel attacked because it was possible to do. The timing itself was contingent on making sure Israel could concentrate on Iran and wouldn't have to fight a multi-front war. But the attack was inevitable.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 20, 2025 01:46 PM (X1iDB)

193 161 My gut feeling is "tiny Israel is taking all the risks of war here and the U.S. should take advantage by selling Israel whatever weapons it needs to deal with the mad Mullahs once and for all." I'd say give them very generous long term payment plans too. The D's support the mad Mullahs, and the window to get things done is short cuz the D's will find new ways to cheat and the LIVs will start believing the FNM that we need to go back to Ds in charge and beef up the so called "safety net" again.
Posted by: PaleRider
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Camp David Accords by Carter set out the formula. Over three billion dollars per year for Israeli military aid and one billion and a bit for the Egyptian military. Been that way since 1978.

Essentially we bribed Israel to get it to release the Sinai and Gaza back to Egypt (except Egypt no longer wanted Gaza) and bribed the Egyptian military to stay a US client (prior to Sadat they were a Soviet one) and not attack Israel.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2025 01:46 PM (ctrM5)

194 then installed Pahlavi, a brutal dictator, then we very likely would not be in this position in the first place.

It's just this never ending circle jerk of CIA and (as Nixon called them) "the striped-pants faggots on Foggy Bottom" lying to us and covering up their own fuck ups.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 01:24 PM (uCjyK)

The only way to run a majority-muslim country is to be a brutal dictator. And true democracy is antithetical to the muzzie mindset. If they aren't at your feet, they are at your throat.

Posted by: Pete Buttigeig at June 20, 2025 01:46 PM (W50D/)

195 Reason #10K why you should never let a Democrat near foreign policy decision making. God only knows what else he would have done had he won re-election.

the other day the thought crossed my mind that if Kumswalla was at the helm of today's very scenario, we truly would be on the brink of WW3

Posted by: kallisto at June 20, 2025 01:46 PM (dCxaZ)

196 You can't spell Jimamah without imam.

Posted by: eleven at June 20, 2025 01:47 PM (fV+MH)

197 They don't get enough of this. Their preferred method of "war" is to butcher and rape innocent civilians, then cry to the press that they're victims of "genocide." This gets all the European countries to condemn Israel, or the US, and then everyone stops making war back against the war-mongers, and the cycle continues.

This. Absolutely this. There is a reason ancient societies were so harsh, yet valued and honored diplomacy. And were aghast when someone mistreated envoys or representatives. The Mongols would have annihilated the entire lot of them down to the last man for a tenth of what they have done. The Romans would have ground them into the dust and sold whoever remained into slavery.

Deal in good faith, or not at all.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 20, 2025 01:47 PM (YUL+W)

198 Read that Carlson apologized to the President.

Is he still running his mouth?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 20, 2025 01:47 PM (K9XnW)

199 I don't know the answer to any of those questions, but neither does anyone else. And no one is even asking the questions.

The fact that you're asking the questions tells me that you expect us to try to shape the country post-ayatollah. How about we don't do that, and just tell them "if you FA, be prepared to FO. Other than that, what you do in your country is your business."

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:47 PM (Riz8t)

200 If the mullahs do fall I think most Iranians will stay out. We could easily bar any member of the Islamic regime from trying to come here. I'd be willing to bet a lot of Iranians would return home

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 20, 2025 01:47 PM (IG2sK)

201 When I read Fodrow I think Mordor
Posted by: doug
......

They use the same landscaping company.

Posted by: wth at June 20, 2025 01:48 PM (v0R5T)

202 Money from Qatar and Saudi land plus Tucker's ole man was CIA I think. That particular version of DC public interest is not well reported while people shriek about AIPAC.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2025 01:43 PM (ctrM5)

I personally can't stand Tucker Carlson, he's like nails on a chalkboard to me and has been since I first came to know about him when he wore a bowtie on CNN or MSNBC or whatever, so with that background, I don't watch his podcast or listen to him, even if I would agree with him on some things.

That said, his dad WAS in the CIA, and as Putin heavily intimidated in his interview with Tucker (the only time in the past I dont know how many years I've listened to Tucker), Tucker is also connected to US intel agencies.

Which I find very interesting. Not sure what it means, but it probably means something.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 01:48 PM (uCjyK)

203 Before the US gets involved with our military, why not just greenlight Israel to kill the Supreme Leader first?

Seems easier than spending a few trillion in blood and treasure.

Posted by: Eldo at June 20, 2025 01:49 PM (kRhM/)

204 153 Mrs. Paco's family is from South America, but they are ethnically Palestinian Christians, and even they can't stand the Palestinians. Mrs. Paco, for the record, is strongly pro-Israel (as am I).
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I worked with a guy named Paco. He loved to squeeze out egg farts while he was sharing a 4th floor scaffold with you on a hot, humid morning. Evil, he was.

Posted by: pudinhead at June 20, 2025 01:49 PM (FmapG)

205 > The Israelis are now saying that Iran was fifteen days away from having a deployable nuclear weapon, which is why they struck.
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I think the IAEA mentioned this as well. It was surprising that an international agency was, on the surface, honest with their assessment. I've seen posts about Iran having enriched their Uranium stockpiles way beyond the allowable limit and in greater quantities than they reported.

One article said Iran had all the components necessary to assemble up to 10 - 12 warheads.

Since none have been tested, that we're aware of, the only question was if they'd work as advertised.

That Iran was going to use them is a given.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 20, 2025 01:49 PM (Q4IgG)

206 Because once Iran is bombed to shit, the people won't want to stay there.

Iran isn't being "bombed to shit". Very specific locations are being hit. There's video of people filming bombings from just a mile of so away - completely untouched.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 20, 2025 01:49 PM (ExV1e)

207 Ace's post is one of the best analyses of the situation that I've read. Especially impressive from someone that abandoned Trump early in the primary season.

Thanks, Ace!

Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at June 20, 2025 01:49 PM (FhMCZ)

208 The worst part of this situation is that, in effect, every legitimate argument against action boils down to the fact that we can't trust the people who would need to execute to do the right thing. We're more worried about our own government and media than we are about any foreign enemy. And not without justification.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez at June 20, 2025 01:49 PM (QmM6R)

209 Imagine if the Manson family had staged a coup d'etat in 1969 and installed Charles Manson as dictator and he forced the entire nation to join his cult until penalty of death, then announced the most insane, belligerent, violent, deranged, genocidal foreign policy, alienating the United States from every nation in the world.

That's basically what happened to Iran in 1979.

Ending the mullacracy would be the greatest gift anyone ever gave to the Persians.

Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2025 01:49 PM (pMi6S)

210 Stay put not stay out

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 20, 2025 01:49 PM (IG2sK)

211 >>>Tucker Carlson was making a lot of noise about UFOs a while back. Maybe he, you know, got taken on board, and the aliens got a little careless with the electrodes.

That's when he began to show he would air any conspiracy theory that he thought would get him clicks.

Initially I just thought, "Well, no one likes the smothering regime of gatekeeping censorship, so it's a good thing to air ideas that seem strange or even heretical."

But then he kept up with the UFO beat week after week after week.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:50 PM (KRtlO)

212 The fact that you're asking the questions tells me that you expect us to try to shape the country post-ayatollah. How about we don't do that, and just tell them "if you FA, be prepared to FO. Other than that, what you do in your country is your business."
Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:47 PM (Riz8t)

Because I live in the real world and I know that is not going to happen.

This is why I (and others) are making Iraq comparisons. Or Afghanistan. Or Libya. Or Syria.

It always ends up being our problem, no matter how much we say it shouldnt be.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 01:50 PM (uCjyK)

213 I never minded Carlson, bowtie notwithstanding. Hannity's voice kills me. Ben Shapiro too.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 20, 2025 01:50 PM (YUL+W)

214 Future war may just be assassinating leadership.

We've got the intelligence and smart weapons to do that. Why kill a soldier following an order. Kill the order giver. And the guy who replaces him.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2025 01:42 PM (93HQ

You mean the War Pigs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc5Nk1DXyEY

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 20, 2025 01:50 PM (FCbAQ)

215 I recently heard that jews hate Christians. I was taken aback.

Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at June 20, 2025 01:50 PM (SXxzC)

216 En fuego!

Posted by: That Guy who shouts "En fuego!" at June 20, 2025 01:50 PM (0sNs1)

217 Hmmm. I wonder if that's where an acquaintance of mine got his story about Israeli Jews hating Christians. I asked Biden's Dog about it, and it sounds like there is a certain amount of that, to my surprise. But I had assumed that it was mostly happening with culturally-"Christian" people who were making themselves odious to Israelis by being problems.
Posted by: Emmie
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The native Christians in the area are Arabs, not converted Jews and the PLO, Black September, etc. had a fair number of Christians in them.

Plus you have residual resentment of rule by the Byzantines, Crusaders, and the Brits by some plus Ashkenazi emigres from Europe carried resentments for centuries of mistreatment there by the population including pogroms, ghettos, and ultimately the Holocaust.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2025 01:51 PM (ctrM5)

218 Fucking awesome piece, Ace.

Well said.

No homo.

Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2025 01:51 PM (MmNOR)

219 You can use highly uranium fuel in nuclear reactors. My college had a research reactor that used ~95% U-235 fuel (stainless steel clad thin plates). When the NRC found out how many kilograms of the stuff we had, they shit kittens. All that good stuff was replaced with much lower enrichment fuel a few decades ago. I won't say how highly enriched the fuel is in USN PWRs.

Posted by: Butch at June 20, 2025 01:51 PM (nxlUr)

220 Nobody knows what's going to happen in a power vacuum.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 01:44 PM (uCjyK)

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It's the same problem ever since Trump chose to bomb Syria after a chemical attack there in 2017.

"Oh! It's war!, but Trump promised! He's an idiot!"

Did we get involved on the ground in Syria?

How about Libya? Are there any Americans on the ground in Libya?

Do we have any, that we know about, on the ground in Ukraine?

Why do so many people think that we need to worry about nation-building after what's happened in the world over the past 15 years?

We do NOT have to do a thing, but prevent the Iranian mullahs from getting a nuke by bombing the hell out of everything they have.

Everything else after that is their problem and we can choose to help or not help, however Trump sees fit.

Stop mind-gaming yourself over worse-case scenarios that haven't even happened yet,.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 20, 2025 01:51 PM (6ydKt)

221 The consequences of letting Iran off the hook is they will produce an atomic bomb, duct tape it to the one of their missiles and drop it on Israel. Israel understanding this existential threat masterfully has Iran on its ass. This is the singular decisive moment that brings the atomic threat to an end, destroys the funding for terror, and potentially seeing a modern government in Iran that will allow the country to flourish.

Trump's instincts for peace are admirable, but I hope they don't get in the way of opening the door for the Europeans or the Chicoms to muddy up this moment of clarity. It does seem that he is moving all the proper assets into place to conduct an endgame war in Iran while while playing the game of we tried everything first.

Rare are the moments when military action is precisely the right action and at the same time is so clearly defined that it doesn't need to be an endless war. Taking out their nuclear sites and their ballistic missile sites will cripple the Mullahs regime. After that let the interested parties there kill each other off while they sort out who gets to be the new king.

Now Is the time to bring this to a conclusion.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at June 20, 2025 01:51 PM (NXz8h)

222 Ace's post is one of the best analyses of the situation that I've read. Especially impressive from someone that abandoned Trump early in the primary season.


Ah, the Trump is a God folks are here.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:51 PM (Riz8t)

223 Considering the Islamic infiltration of Europe (and their attacks in Africa, and Minnesota, etc.), they are a contender for the greatest threat to Western Civilization, with China (I guess) still holding the number one position.

Israel acts against the confrontations/wars/terrorism from Islam, and that alone is reason enough to support Israel.

Posted by: illiniwek at June 20, 2025 01:51 PM (vbXSk)

224 who was the eleventh imam?

"Who was Dopey?", Alec...

Posted by: Paco at June 20, 2025 01:51 PM (mADJX)

225 >>>The Mongols would have annihilated the entire lot of them down to the last man for a tenth of what they have done. The Romans would have ground them into the dust and sold whoever remained into slavery.

Deal in good faith, or not at all.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Say it again. Kill the Khomeinis, the Ayatollahs, the mullahs, all the military and intelligence leaders. All of them are part of the terrorist cancer metastasized.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 20, 2025 01:51 PM (K9XnW)

226 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 20, 2025 01:52 PM (Zz0t1)

227 I think 45 years of allowing iran to fund worldwide terrorism is enough. Add to that their desire to launch a nuke, and it is past time.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 20, 2025 01:52 PM (lTGtQ)

228 >>>Read that Carlson apologized to the President.

Trump said he apologized, but Trump often says that his critics called him to apologize or beg him for a job. I don't know if it's always true.

I really can't see this blowhard apologizing.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:52 PM (KRtlO)

229 >>I recently heard that jews hate Christians. I was taken aback.


Nonsense.

Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2025 01:52 PM (MmNOR)

230 I Meme Therefore I Am
@ImMeme0
This is why I sometimes hate people!

https://tinyurl.com/4ms5p88p

Posted by: redridinghood at June 20, 2025 01:52 PM (NpAcC)

231 They're an islhamic state. Their book tells them to kill the non-believer and Jews. Jews primarily, but everyone else because they're not part of the cult.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 20, 2025 01:52 PM (Zz0t1)

232 I worked with a guy named Paco. He loved to squeeze out egg farts while he was sharing a 4th floor scaffold with you on a hot, humid morning. Evil, he was.
Posted by: pudinhead at June 20, 2025 01:49 PM

Chuy >>>>> Paco

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 20, 2025 01:53 PM (0sNs1)

233 Iran knows that nobody is going to put boots on the ground to defeat them. They think they can wait this out as long as they can dodge Israeli airstrikes. They’ve always counted on the weakness and indecision of the West, and we’ve never let them down.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2025 01:53 PM (ymT3i)

234 who was the eleventh imam?
Posted by: MAC V SOG


Obama.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 20, 2025 01:53 PM (5WDkb)

235 The fact that you're asking the questions tells me that you expect us to try to shape the country post-ayatollah. How about we don't do that, and just tell them "if you FA, be prepared to FO. Other than that, what you do in your country is your business."
Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:47 PM (Riz8t)

Because I live in the real world and I know that is not going to happen.

This is why I (and others) are making Iraq comparisons. Or Afghanistan. Or Libya. Or Syria.

It always ends up being our problem, no matter how much we say it shouldnt be.

That assumes we (and by extension, Trump) are incapable of learning. Simply saying "we screwed it up in the past, so we always will" is not an argument.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:53 PM (Riz8t)

236
I really can't see this blowhard apologizing.
Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:52 PM (KRtlO)


Especially after seeing his CNN level "gotcha" interview with Cruz.

Cruz didn't handle himself correctly, but Tucker was an obnoxious asshole that should've been punched in the mouth.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 20, 2025 01:53 PM (Zz0t1)

237 Shapiro is the one I can never trust. He's on my side til suddenly he isn't.

Posted by: eleven at June 20, 2025 01:53 PM (fV+MH)

238 The Romans would have ground them into the dust and sold whoever remained into slavery.

Posted by: Aetius451AD

Salt. You forgot abut the salt.

Salt their fields so their civilization can never rise again.

Posted by: zombie at June 20, 2025 01:54 PM (pMi6S)

239 Shorter Ace: Muslims must be taught the price of following the murderous precepts of their demonic prophet mohammed.

Islam is, at its essence, a religion lacking morality, ethics and basic good will.

Other religions may disagree, but at the base there is a common ethos that can be appealed to in the interest of a common value and dignity of each human soul. One may have to dig through much error and dogma, but it may be found. An innate understanding that there is a universal truth of right and wrong.

Judaism has it.
Buddhism has it.
Sikhism has it.
Shintoism has it.
Zoroastrianism has it.

Notice these religions do not engaged in conflict with everyone everywhere like Islam.

Posted by: Minuteman at June 20, 2025 01:54 PM (47/pr)

240 I expect Israel could bomb the entrances to the Fordow complex sufficiently to render it inaccessible, except perhaps by men crawling through concealed airshafts. To completely destroy it will take the big bunker busters.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 20, 2025 01:54 PM (W50D/)

241 213 I never minded Carlson, bowtie notwithstanding. Hannity's voice kills me. Ben Shapiro too.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 20, 2025 01:50 PM (YUL+W)

Agreed on Ben Shaprio. Hannity annoyed me for different reasons, namely being a bloviating talking point machine. (annoys? Is he still on air?)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 01:54 PM (uCjyK)

242 I wonder if Elon’s Space X launch was sabotage?

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 20, 2025 01:54 PM (W2Pud)

243 Oh I have an answer to that: I could give a fuck about the humanitarian consequences for Gaza and, for that matter, Iran, or any of these other shithole nations.

You've kind of exposed yourself here.
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So the regime change doesn't happen peacefully, and we go to war. What's going to happen to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people who are displaced and can't feed or take care of themselves? Who's going to be on the hook for that, the UAE? Israel's not going to be able to do it.

I'm not anti-Jew or Israel by any means, but I think on the right there is a climate where you can't question Israel's actions nor can there be any question if their foreign policy and ours is actually the same. Just because something is good for Israel doesn't mean it's good for us, and war with Iran is obviously one of those things. Iran can strike Israel, but they don't have the capability to hit us.

Shit I'm a DoD contractor, I should want this war but there's no upside for the nation. It doesn't advance any kind of position in the mid east. Maybe it's because I'm too young to have internalized all the stuff the happened in the 70's.

Posted by: wat at June 20, 2025 01:54 PM (Dk542)

244 who was the eleventh imam?

Pete Best, IIAMN.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 20, 2025 01:54 PM (/y8xj)

245 Worked at a national lab.

Iran almost certainly has nukes (I say that from theoretical knowledge and not real intel). What they don’t have and what they have been working for is miniaturization. That allows them to easily put them in undersea UAV’s and ballistic missiles and other hidie holes.

China btw got miniaturizable nukes from Wen Ho Lee when Clinton allowed Chinese national access to our nuclear secrets (that I DO know). Then Clinton gave them access to Loral ballistic missile control system tech.

I have long thought we didn’t belong in Ukraine for the exact reason we have seen. It has advanced war (that’s actually a good thing - we have seen how drones work and I think the military has been blind to the usage of cheap drones) but it has used up most of our munitions, put us further in debt, and distracted us from real enemies in Iran and China.

So go get ‘em Israel. I don’t care if your the Israel the Bible foretold. It’s enough you think so and have at ‘em!

Posted by: The MewTwix at June 20, 2025 01:54 PM (bPxqT)

246 Scott Adams@ScottAdamsSays
Trump is trying to end Iran's actual authoritarian leadership while Democrats are trying to end Trump's imaginary authoritarian leadership.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Master of the Mundane at June 20, 2025 01:54 PM (L/fGl)

247 "Ackshually real nation building has never been tried"

Posted by: John Bolton at June 20, 2025 01:55 PM (Htufl)

248 I just hope everything goes as wham-bam-thankya-mam as all the other wars we've started.

Smoke me a kipper, we'll be back for breakfast.

Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at June 20, 2025 01:55 PM (ERYKL)

249 If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice

Posted by: Crotalus Atrox at June 20, 2025 01:55 PM (JlZJW)

250 If for no other reason than displaying its effectiveness in Combat, I am all for dropping a MOP or 3 on Iranian Nuke Bunkers.

You rarely get the opportunity to real world test cutting edge ordnance.

Nor, to advertise it to your would be adversaries.

Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2025 01:55 PM (MmNOR)

251 I personally can't stand Tucker Carlson, he's like nails on a chalkboard to me and has been since I first came to know about him when he wore a bowtie on CNN or MSNBC or whatever, so with that background, I don't watch his podcast or listen to him, even if I would agree with him on some things.

That said, his dad WAS in the CIA, and as Putin heavily intimidated in his interview with Tucker (the only time in the past I dont know how many years I've listened to Tucker), Tucker is also connected to US intel agencies.

Which I find very interesting. Not sure what it means, but it probably means something.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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The US, Britain, and Euroland in general have become much more soft regarding Muslim misbehavior because of the need for oil. It has essentially warped our entire foreign and military policy because current civilization requires it to function.

Unfortunately, states that are petroleum rich become something called rentier states--the rulers rely on bribing their populace rather than creating a genuine modern society that relies on taxation.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2025 01:55 PM (ctrM5)

252 >>It always ends up being our problem, no matter how much we say it shouldnt be.

I don't think Trump has any intention of nation building. There are a number of people already jockeying to lead Iran.

This isn't about taking out a functioning government and letting a bunch of religious nuts take over. This is about taking out the religious nuts who have already taken over and are widely despised by their countrymen and letting normal people back into power.

The GCC has oodles of cash and can much more easily help fill that void than we can. Probably a big reason Trump made his first international trip to the Middle East and not Europe like every other president.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2025 01:55 PM (viF8m)

253 Nonsense.
Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2025 01:52 PM (MmNOR)

Risking the anti Semitic witch hunt.

There does seem to be an element among some jews who dislike, resent or are threatened by Christianity. Now whether this is history, many modern jews just being commies/liberals or something else I do not know. It is something I have noticed over the years.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 20, 2025 01:56 PM (YUL+W)

254 Just because something is good for Israel doesn't mean it's good for us, and war with Iran is obviously one of those things. Iran can strike Israel, but they don't have the capability to hit us.

"Obviously" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:56 PM (Riz8t)

255 Ringo was the 12th Imam.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 20, 2025 01:56 PM (1IUvn)

256 185 Tucker Carlson was making a lot of noise about UFOs a while back. Maybe he, you know, got taken on board, and the aliens got a little careless with the electrodes.
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The aliens were just asking probing questions.

Posted by: I'll see myself out at June 20, 2025 01:56 PM (Dv3i1)

257 A little fact, back after 2001 , Israel , in the tace if Ariel Sharon, tried to convince Bush jr. that Iran is the teal problem. But Bush people wanted to finish Hussein. Because that suited tthe other arabs and they were willing to support US in that war. Keep Kuwait , and the testbif the Gulf safe. So there it went...

Posted by: runner at June 20, 2025 01:56 PM (nQcpu)

258 Future war may just be assassinating leadership.

We've got the intelligence and smart weapons to do that. Why kill a soldier following an order. Kill the order giver. And the guy who replaces him.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 20, 2025 01:42 PM (93HQ

Oh, I doubt that.

Countries don't go to war in a vacuum. Usually, it involves getting the populace riled up enough to want the fight and provide the soldiering.

You have to spill enough blood that the populace thinks "fuck this" as well as the leadership.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 20, 2025 01:56 PM (iJfKG)

259 I don't know the answer to any of those questions, but neither does anyone else. And no one is even asking the questions.

How long do we have to contemplate those questions? What degree of certainty is required? What percentage of the government must approve? How many attacks are Iran permitted to make during that time? Are they permitted to use nuclear weapons against Israel? Are they permitted to use nuclear weapons against the US?

I don't know the answer to any of those questions, but neither does anyone else. And no one is even asking the questions.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 20, 2025 01:57 PM (ExV1e)

260 Shapiro is the one I can never trust. He's on my side til suddenly he isn't.
Posted by: eleven at June 20, 2025 01:53 PM (fV+MH)


He's spent years telling everyone that Israel can take care of itself and doesn't need anyone........

Then why are we still sending them BILLIONS in assistance AND selling them weapons so they can survive in the middle east?

F*ck him.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 20, 2025 01:57 PM (Zz0t1)

261 But then he kept up with the UFO beat week after week after week. - ace

In all seriousness, this is when alarm bells began going off for me. He began making ominous statements about how the truth, when made known, was going to upend practically everything we believe (I kind of got the impression he meant with respect to religious belief, as well as mere historical factuality).

And then he just dropped the whole thing, and the next thing I know, he's gassing on about Churchill instigating WWII.

Posted by: Paco at June 20, 2025 01:57 PM (mADJX)

262 There is a significant contingent of American "Jews" who were taught at the very least to be afraid of Christians. I saw it with my own eyes and have heard it with my own ears so I don't care if you "disagree".

This has little to do with the thread. These are typically Democrat voters and only demographically Jewish.

Posted by: ... at June 20, 2025 01:57 PM (EAdiF)

263 That assumes we (and by extension, Trump) are incapable of learning. Simply saying "we screwed it up in the past, so we always will" is not an argument.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:53 PM (Riz8t)

No, actually, it is an argument and it's a very strong one.

"in every war since WWII, we have failed as a nation to decisively win the war and to rebuild and fix the country with minimal blowback to the US, and with minimal cost."

In fact, other than Vietnam, which is a functional enough government, and Korea, which is constantly 30 seconds away from war, we have left the situation worse then when we found it, and it has cost us a ton of time, money, and energy to deal with.

I don't know how anyone who has been alive for the past 30+ years especially can't see that.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 01:58 PM (uCjyK)

264 "And being trained in how to build bombs and IEDs?”

We’ve got thousands of crippled men and women who are certainly wondering that. Iran was the primary driver of IED warfare by the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan, and i’m certainly for that reckoning to occur.

Posted by: UGAdawg at June 20, 2025 01:58 PM (f70Xg)

265 I don't think Israel has bombed Iran's oil export infrastructure even though it is easy pickings, so I infer that they are not trying to break Iran as a national entity.

Posted by: toby928 at June 20, 2025 01:58 PM (jc0TO)

266 I think Iran already has an ICBM. I remember reading some web news article about Iran launching a satellite during Barky's presidency and thinking "oh shit, if they can launch a satellite they can lob a nuclear warhead to the U.S." I tend to always push out of my mind that Pakistan already has nukes, I push it out of my mind cuz its terrifying for any Muzzie country to have nukes, but Iran with Persian intelligence + mad Mullahs in charge, really really needs to be stopped.

Posted by: PaleRider at June 20, 2025 01:58 PM (bP/i4)

267 Tucker was also defending Biden jr. I and was aghast ... until learned recently that Biden was writing letters iof recommendations for Tucker's son.

Posted by: runner at June 20, 2025 01:58 PM (nQcpu)

268 Ringo was the 12th Imam.
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 20, 2025 01:56 PM (1IUvn)


Ringo is still with us....


https://youtu.be/14mETz6byFU

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 20, 2025 01:58 PM (Zz0t1)

269 "If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
Posted by: Crotalus Atrox"


Mmmm...the Rush Doctrine.

Posted by: eleven at June 20, 2025 01:58 PM (fV+MH)

270 Digging into Tucker's family history, it looks like his dad married into the Swanson family fortune by marrying Patricia Swanson. She had a previous secret marriage at 18 to a Howard Feldman. Her father cut her out of the family inheritance due to the marriage, and she didn't get back into the fold until she divorced him a year later. (Not sure if Feldman was Jewish, and the dad protested because he was antisemitic, or if it was due to he hadn't approved the marriage.)

It sounds like there was a family culture of strict patriarchy. From a NYT article about the history of the Swanson family, Omaha's "first family," and a reporting on their rise and fall:

"His daughters were expected to be attractive and quiet and to ignore those parts of life they weren't “smart enough” to understand, like money and business; his sons were expected to be strong, successful and at the same time submissive to his wishes. The Swansons were a patriarchy and Gilbert Sr. at- tempted to train his sons to fill his shoes."

There was a family history of depression and addiction. And there was a scandal of a Swanson progeny shouting black racial slurs in a restaurant.

https://tinyurl.com/45vhxu2k

Posted by: LizLem at June 20, 2025 01:59 PM (Eng1Z)

271 Imma sit this one out. Y’all be good now.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 20, 2025 01:59 PM (eZwyX)

272 Iran's biggest customer by far is China. Without Iranian oil China's economy will grind to a halt.

There is more than one game being played here.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2025 01:59 PM (viF8m)

273 I recently heard that jews hate Christians. I was taken aback.

Some do. Because they've been taught that Christians hate them and want to convert them, i.e. make them not Jewish.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 20, 2025 01:59 PM (/y8xj)

274 I'm all in with Zombie ... finish them.

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at June 20, 2025 02:00 PM (tykPk)

275 The Tucker Carlson Show became Coast to Coast so gradually that we didn't notice for a long time.

Posted by: toby928 from the future at June 20, 2025 02:00 PM (jc0TO)

276 239 Islam is, at its essence, a religion lacking morality, ethics and basic good will. - Minuteman

I read somewhere that a heavy reliance on fatalism is their hall pass for everything they do, and for everything that happens to them.

Posted by: Paco at June 20, 2025 02:00 PM (mADJX)

277 I wonder if Elon’s Space X launch was sabotage?
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 20, 2025 01:54 PM (W2Pud)


I think that's the 3rd explosion on that type. I think they have an issue they haven't solved yet.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 20, 2025 02:00 PM (Zz0t1)

278 "His daughters were expected to be attractive and quiet and to ignore those parts of life they weren't “smart enough” to understand, like money and business; his sons were expected to be strong, successful and at the same time submissive to his wishes. The Swansons were a patriarchy and Gilbert Sr. at- tempted to train his sons to fill his shoes."
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I've seen this before. Was that Dynasty or Falcon Crest?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 20, 2025 02:00 PM (Dv3i1)

279 The 12th Imam was born hundreds of years ago. They know who it is. They believe he is hundreds of years old and is in “occlusion”.

Not kidding, that’s what they believe.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2025 02:01 PM (ymT3i)

280 How long do we have to contemplate those questions? What degree of certainty is required? What percentage of the government must approve? How many attacks are Iran permitted to make during that time? Are they permitted to use nuclear weapons against Israel? Are they permitted to use nuclear weapons against the US?

I don't know the answer to any of those questions, but neither does anyone else. And no one is even asking the questions.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 20, 2025 01:57 PM (ExV1e)

Yeah, so we have a whole procedure for this in the Constitution for this very reason. Because people back then thought declaring war on a country was a big deal and the pros and cons and specifics and details should be debated by the people at large through their elected representatives.

I know it seems silly and antiquated now, but there is a reason US foreign policy has not gone so great in the post - WWII era.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 02:01 PM (uCjyK)

281 229 >>I recently heard that jews hate Christians. I was taken aback.
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https://youtu.be/VUa26aCKrD0?t=187




Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 20, 2025 02:01 PM (K9XnW)

282 Iran can strike Israel, but they don't have the capability to hit us"

I still caution against thinking of only long range weapons. A cargo container carrying a lightly salted conventional bomb detonating in a major US port city would set off an almost unimaginable panic...

Posted by: Man at June 20, 2025 02:01 PM (/Q8P0)

283 Sweep the leg.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 20, 2025 02:01 PM (1IUvn)

284 Iran's biggest customer by far is China. Without Iranian oil China's economy will grind to a halt.

There is more than one game being played here.

Posted by: JackStraw


Which is why China is sneaking cargo planes into iran loaded with solid rocket fuel and guidance parts.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 20, 2025 02:01 PM (lTGtQ)

285 "in every war since WWII, we have failed as a nation to decisively win the war and to rebuild and fix the country with minimal blowback to the US, and with minimal cost."

In fact, other than Vietnam, which is a functional enough government, and Korea, which is constantly 30 seconds away from war, we have left the situation worse then when we found it, and it has cost us a ton of time, money, and energy to deal with.

I don't know how anyone who has been alive for the past 30+ years especially can't see that.

As always, left unsaid is what would have happened had we not intervened. Regardless, you missed the point, which is that in every war since WWII we have opted for less than achieving our full goals. In this case, our goal is to destroy Iran's nuclear program. If the ayatollahs fall as a result, and I think they will, that's gravy. If we focus on that as our goal, and insist on achieving it, we, and the entire world, will be much better off.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 02:01 PM (Riz8t)

286 Just because something is good for Israel doesn't mean it's good for us, and war with Iran is obviously one of those things. Iran can strike Israel, but they don't have the capability to hit us.


Only thinking in terms of ICBM's is extremely shortsighted. They could dirty bomb a port and render it useless.

And it wouldn't have to be a huge bomb. Thanks to Hollywood, people's fears would be the killer.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 20, 2025 02:01 PM (5WDkb)

287 Posted by: wat at June 20, 2025 01:54 PM (Dk542)

The US Declaration of Independence is based on the concept that a People have a Right AND a Duty, to ensure they have a proper government.

By NOT holding citizens responsible for the actions of their government, they have no incentive to change said government... and the cycle continues.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 20, 2025 02:01 PM (mP0Kj)

288 >>There does seem to be an element among some jews who dislike, resent or are threatened by Christianity.


Being a Jew I can tell you that has never been my experience.

If anything, we just don't understand the appeal of Christianity to you. But we really don't give it much thought at all.
Proselytizing is not something we do. We aren't seeking to increase the flock.
So, what would be the benefit?

Now, you will find critique of the actions of some of the Churches re. Jews. RCC in WWII, etc.
But, that's not religious as much as political.

Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2025 02:02 PM (MmNOR)

289 Iraq comparisons betray a complete lack of knowledge about Iran. First, ethnic tensions are not an issue because it is heavily majority Persian, except for the north where it is majority Azerbaijani. But both of those groups are 95% nationalist Shiite and have not had conflicts with each other, and are very unlikely to.
Contrast to Iraq which was 40% Shiite, 30% Kurdish, with the wealthiest 20% being Sunni. All three of those groups have been trying to kill each other for millennia - that is not Iran at all.
Iran has a country, similar to Germany and Japan, which has sunk into fanatical despotism but has a strong tradition of civilization and of a peaceful society to fall back on; something none of the Arabs have ever had.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 20, 2025 02:02 PM (EVFZ5)

290 As Gen. Curtis LeMay said,

"I'll tell you what war is about, you've got to kill people, and when you've killed enough they stop fighting."

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 20, 2025 02:03 PM (0sNs1)

291 > Iran's biggest customer by far is China. Without Iranian oil China's economy will grind to a halt.

There is more than one game being played here.
Posted by: JackStraw
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Drones.

Iran could build inexpensive suicide drones by the thousands. Russia was one of their biggest customers.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 20, 2025 02:03 PM (Q4IgG)

292 And it wouldn't have to be a huge bomb. Thanks to Hollywood, people's fears would be the killer.
Posted by: rickb223


I wonder about this every day, twice a day as I pass by the Port of Seattle on my boat ride into the city.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 20, 2025 02:03 PM (W2Pud)

293 272 Iran's biggest customer by far is China. Without Iranian oil China's economy will grind to a halt.

There is more than one game being played here.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2025 01:59 PM (viF8m)

Agreed, there is a lot of Great Game-style maneuvering going on in the world right now.

Some might even say it's completely unnecessary, and is not a good thing for the vast majority of Americans who don't stand to make money off Ukrainian rare earth minerals or Iranian oil, or the Chinese economy crumbling, or whatever. But they'd be labelled as crazy conspiracy theorists.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 02:04 PM (uCjyK)

294 What would the world be like without any Iranians?

Most likely an upgrade. I'd like to find out for sure.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at June 20, 2025 02:04 PM (wBaIH)

295 But then he kept up with the UFO beat week after week after week.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:50 PM (KRtlO)
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What happened to the six sarcophagi with strange energy sources found earlier this week buried in the ice in Antarctica?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 20, 2025 02:04 PM (PkOXB)

296 The Swanson clan owned a very large estate off Ocean Drive in Newport. Tucker went to school at St. George's one of the most "elite" (read expensive) boarding schools in the country.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2025 02:04 PM (viF8m)

297 242 I wonder if Elon’s Space X launch was sabotage?
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 20, 2025 01:54 PM (W2Pud)

What do you suppose Elon was trying to sabotage?

Posted by: Emmie at June 20, 2025 02:04 PM (rF2iL)

298 If Israel can eliminate an entire top echelon of Iranian military leaders... iwith a phone call...it is safe to say they have good intelligence!

Posted by: runner at June 20, 2025 02:04 PM (nQcpu)

299 I think Israel should give the mullahs peace they asked for -- eternal peace.

Posted by: Archer at June 20, 2025 02:04 PM (ghLs+)

300 The *point* of war is to inflict enough pain and suffering on your enemies to get them to accept your terms.

Now Iran doesn't want peace. But they do want a ceasefire. Why? They are losing.

So the correct response when they ask for a ceasefire is "These are still our terms, and the bombings will continue until you accept them".

Posted by: 18-1 at June 20, 2025 02:05 PM (t0Rmr)

301 207 Ace's post is one of the best analyses of the situation that I've read. Especially impressive from someone that abandoned Trump early in the primary season.
Posted by: One-Eyed Cat
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I would agree that Ace presents the case for ending Iran's nuke program by US intervention as well as can be made.

I think Harry has done a yeoman's effort in explaining the risks and why the US should not get involved including numerous past interventions by the US where we spent blood and treasure on useless attempts to 'fix' the world.

That being said, Iran has repeatedly made war on the US, other nations via proxies, and refused to follow the NPT among other things. Assassinations, terrorist attacks including on the Grand Mosque in Saudi Arabia, occupation of the US embassy illegally, creating proxy armies in Iraq targeting US troops among others, attempting to assassinate DJT, funding Hezbollah, Houthis, and Hamas to kill US, Europeans, and Israelis, etc. etc.

They refuse to reform, they refuse to stop illegal actions according to international law, and purposefully threaten death to all that oppose them. Foolish to ignore their past record and whataboutism is ridiculous.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2025 02:05 PM (ctrM5)

302 No Rocket fuel for oil!!

Posted by: runner at June 20, 2025 02:05 PM (nQcpu)

303 The US, Britain, and Euroland in general have become much more soft regarding Muslim misbehavior because of the need for oil.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2025 01:55 PM (ctrM5)


Which is why it's good we're almost energy self-dependent.

If we could get the climate fanatics off of our back we'd be at 100%.

Yet we're still having to deal with the Islamic world because God put so many of them them on top of an ocean of oil.

The EU is screwed, though.
They got Russia, MENA, and US to chose from.

It's too bad the French are the only ones who like nuclear power. That's about the only thing they can rely on other than the North Sea.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 20, 2025 02:05 PM (6ydKt)

304 Nice write up, Ace. Glad you're putting this view out there - and sticking to it.

Posted by: scampydog at June 20, 2025 02:05 PM (2bFN5)

305 Imma sit this one out. Y’all be good now.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 20, 2025 01:59 PM (eZwyX)


You're not my mom!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 20, 2025 02:06 PM (Zz0t1)

306 I wonder if Elon’s Space X launch was sabotage?
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 20, 2025 01:54 PM (W2Pud)

I don't believe that they've had even close to a successful phase 2 launch yet. I think they're still working shit out.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 20, 2025 02:06 PM (ExV1e)

307 But then he kept up with the UFO beat week after week after week.

Posted by: ace at June 20, 2025 01:50 PM (KRtlO)
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What happened to the six sarcophagi with strange energy sources found earlier this week buried in the ice in Antarctica?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 20, 2025 02:04 PM (PkOXB)
__________

"I made a movie about that, you know"

-- John Carpenter

Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 20, 2025 02:06 PM (iFTx/)

308 I think Israel should give the mullahs peace they asked for -- eternal peace.
Posted by: Archer at June 20, 2025 02:04 PM

Ummm, we're a little short-handed right now.

Posted by: Bureau of Seventy-Two Virgins at June 20, 2025 02:06 PM (0sNs1)

309 Iran is not Arab. Arabs are demonstrably unable to govern themselves beyond their tribes. Iranians are Persians, who did actually manage to govern themselves more or less successfully for millennia. If Israel/the US make the conditions appropriate for a proper revolution, the Iranian people will take the shot and I'm not even slightly worried they can set up a functional government afterwards without any Western intervention. There won't be troops on the ground, because they aren't necessary. The notion that we're getting into an other 'nation building' exercise here is simply wrong on the facts, never mind that Trump won't let that happen. His MAGA people (like me) are happy to make sure the Iranian nuke program is utterly obliterated, and that the heads of the current government are obliterated. None of that requires troops on the ground. More than that is a hard pass, but I don't think it would be required anyway.

Posted by: Guy in Texas at June 20, 2025 02:06 PM (uiawK)

310 As always, left unsaid is what would have happened had we not intervened. Regardless, you missed the point, which is that in every war since WWII we have opted for less than achieving our full goals. In this case, our goal is to destroy Iran's nuclear program. If the ayatollahs fall as a result, and I think they will, that's gravy. If we focus on that as our goal, and insist on achieving it, we, and the entire world, will be much better off.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 02:01 PM (Riz8t)

And when we went in to Iraq, we were told the goal was to decapitate Saddam, and that the people would rise up and become a Western style democracy.

No one said "there will be a 10 year occupation and nation building and military contractors and suicide bombs and, also, by the way, we're going to start bringing a TON of muslim immigrants to the US, most of whom don't like us." And yet...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 02:06 PM (uCjyK)

311 Iran is losing, so they want Israel to surrender. How about no, you are fkng dead?

Posted by: runner at June 20, 2025 02:06 PM (nQcpu)

312 Remember Operation Linebacker II?
Same potential situation and predicable outcome.
We got North Vietnam back to the Paris negotiation table. That amounted to 'nothing'.
We lost the war by depending on the indigenous population to take the burden.
If we do this again, it is on us!
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
Remember post WWI!
MacArthur reshaped Japan.
Today, Japan is a powerhouse on the world stage.

Posted by: john at June 20, 2025 02:07 PM (nEWxZ)

313 I don't get Tucker's position here. I'm done with the smarmy asshole.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
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Smarmy! Been trying to find the right word to describe Tucker. That's perfect.

Posted by: scampydog at June 20, 2025 02:07 PM (2bFN5)

314 If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
Posted by: Crotalus Atrox
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Ah. Action through inaction.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 20, 2025 02:07 PM (XeU6L)

315 I wonder about this every day, twice a day as I pass by the Port of Seattle on my boat ride into the city.
Posted by: nurse ratched


Port of Long Beach.
Freak out ALL of LA.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 20, 2025 02:07 PM (5WDkb)

316 What if we just “lost” a few bunker busters, and Israel just happened to find them?

Hell, we’ve lost like 6 nukes that we know of. Losing bombs is what we do.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2025 02:07 PM (ymT3i)

317 That assumes we (and by extension, Trump) are incapable of learning. Simply saying "we screwed it up in the past, so we always will" is not an argument.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:53 PM (Riz8t)

Not always. But for now? It's a damned good argument. The postwar foreign service and policy establishment that lost every conflict it plunged us into for the last *seventy-five years* is still firmly entrenched, and it will lose this war too.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice, #ProudKing #MoreKings at June 20, 2025 02:08 PM (BI5O2)

318 Sooner or later, Ace gets tired of “ our” bullshit… good to bear in mind.

Posted by: tubal at June 20, 2025 02:08 PM (PCK5/)

319 I wonder about this every day, twice a day as I pass by the Port of Seattle"

This. Now think of, say, a, half dozen US ports with just the slightest levels of radioactive material.

Panic would be off the charts. It would be brutal.

Posted by: Man at June 20, 2025 02:09 PM (/Q8P0)

320 -----------
Smarmy! Been trying to find the right word to describe Tucker. That's perfect.
Posted by: scampydog at June 20, 2025 02:07 PM (2bFN5)


How about "seamy dougheyed poofter?"

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 20, 2025 02:09 PM (Zz0t1)

321 Iran has been the source of most of world's terror. Especially since 1989 when the cutting ayatollah took over. Those they did not kill they intimidated , like Europe. Some people don't want to be Europe.

Posted by: runner at June 20, 2025 02:09 PM (nQcpu)

322 >>What if we just “lost” a few bunker busters, and Israel just happened to find them?

>>Hell, we’ve lost like 6 nukes that we know of. Losing bombs is what we do.

Gonna have to lose a B2 as well. It's the only plane capable of dropping one of those bad boys.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2025 02:09 PM (viF8m)

323 GLASSSSSSS

Posted by: JQ at June 20, 2025 01:21 PM (rdVOm)
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"You wouldn't hit a country with glasses, would you?"

- Iran

Posted by: 496 at June 20, 2025 02:09 PM (9C6BN)

324 And when we went in to Iraq, we were told the goal was to decapitate Saddam, and that the people would rise up and become a Western style democracy.

No one said "there will be a 10 year occupation and nation building and military contractors and suicide bombs and, also, by the way, we're going to start bringing a TON of muslim immigrants to the US, most of whom don't like us." And yet...

The fact that you've outlined what happened so well is proof that people can learn. Therefore, we should avoid doing what Iraq taught us not to do. I think Trump has learned the lesson.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 02:09 PM (Riz8t)

325 296 The Swanson clan owned a very large estate off Ocean Drive in Newport. Tucker went to school at St. George's one of the most "elite" (read expensive) boarding schools in the country.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2025 02:04 PM (viF8m)

Beautiful school though. Possibly the most beautiful campus I've ever been on.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 02:09 PM (uCjyK)

326 In fact, other than Vietnam, which is a functional enough government

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Cambodia and Laos fared quite poorly.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice, #ProudKing #MoreKings at June 20, 2025 02:09 PM (BI5O2)

327 Now, you will find critique of the actions of some of the Churches re. Jews. RCC in WWII, etc.
But, that's not religious as much as political.
Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2025 02:02 PM (MmNOR)

I agree, that is my experience from the Christian side. There is a small but very loud online contingent doing everything they can to stoke animosity between Jews and Christians; to me about the worst right now is Candace Owens and her “Christ is King” followers. As a Christian, I am certainly aware of the significance and meaning of that phrase; but I and every Christian I know in real life considers what Candace is doing to be an evil, perverse, and sacrilegious hijacking of it for her own ungodly ends. She and her followers use it as a weapon against those that they hate; yet that was *never* the intent behind it. What she is pitching is blasphemy and perversion of the faith.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 20, 2025 02:09 PM (EVFZ5)

328 320 -----------
Smarmy! Been trying to find the right word to describe Tucker. That's perfect.
Posted by: scampydog at June 20, 2025 02:07 PM (2bFN5)


How about "seamy dougheyed poofter?"
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 20, 2025 02:09 PM (Zz0t1)

Entitled trust fund kid? Privileged Elite?

Posted by: tubal at June 20, 2025 02:10 PM (PCK5/)

329 * current not cutting...either works

Posted by: runner at June 20, 2025 02:10 PM (nQcpu)

330 Exactly. They are running out of missles, they're economy is shit, their people are mad and America is sick of it and Israel is ready to "get it done."

WTF are they hoping for? The dipshits who always capitulate I assume.
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 20, 2025 01:21 PM (PMtkd)

There has always been this faction in the west that stops Israel when they get the upper hand. They saved the PLO from them in Beirut and got 300 US servicemen killed, they start projects t negotiate with the PLO and more recently Hamas for no positive effect.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 20, 2025 02:10 PM (8avO+)

331 "You wouldn't hit a country with glasses, would you?"

- Iran
Posted by: 496 at June 20, 2025 02:09 PM (9C6BN)


No, but I'd be willing to provide you with more glass than you would ever need......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 20, 2025 02:10 PM (Zz0t1)

332 Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 20, 2025 02:06 PM (Zz0t1)

Ha!

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 20, 2025 02:11 PM (eZwyX)

333 We are not dealing with rational people. I get it is hard to accept. You may know some very nice people who are Muslim I sure do. In certain cases they are just bonkers. They seem normal, but a switch gets flipped when it comes to Isreal.
Case in point, yesterday morning congressman max Miller got run off the highway by a guy flying a hamas flag and allegedly yelling at him: dirty jew. I'm going to kill you and your family.

This guy. . . A practicing physician. I have seen it too many times. Its practically a diabolical possession. Total loss of self control, to the point of self destruction. Negotiate with that, good luck.

Posted by: Duke Nuke em at June 20, 2025 02:11 PM (FuNJ6)

334 296 The Swanson clan owned a very large estate off Ocean Drive in Newport. Tucker went to school at St. George's one of the most "elite" (read expensive) boarding schools in the country.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2025 02:04 PM (viF8m)

Beautiful school though. Possibly the most beautiful campus I've ever been on.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 02:09 PM (uCjyK)

see even his parents couldn't tolerate him after so long.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 20, 2025 02:11 PM (8avO+)

335 What if we just “lost” a few bunker busters, and Israel just happened to find them?

Hell, we’ve lost like 6 nukes that we know of. Losing bombs is what we do.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe


Have we actually lost six, or have we screwed up the counts?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 20, 2025 02:11 PM (5WDkb)

336 It doesn't matter even if they did say they'd negotiate. They'd just lie. Taqiyya, you know. Israel understands. Do we?

Posted by: Ordinary Amerian at June 20, 2025 02:11 PM (x2CMu)

337 Funny how quickly Tucker went from darling to douchebag.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 20, 2025 02:12 PM (Zz0t1)

338 How many "virgins" do these cocksuckers get when they're worm food? Serious question. I've seen various numbers.

Does it vary on how many virgins are necessary to generate sufficient interest in the endeavor?

And: does it say anywhere explicitly that these virgins are female?

Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 20, 2025 02:12 PM (iFTx/)

339 >>>There is more than one game being played here.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2025 01:59 PM (viF8m)
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If this comes out right there will be a great realignment in the Russia through M.E. region. There will also be hemispherical realignment with trade not war being the main driver.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 20, 2025 02:12 PM (K9XnW)

340 >>Beautiful school though. Possibly the most beautiful campus I've ever been on.

Not too shabby. Great hockey rink, too.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2025 02:12 PM (viF8m)

341 I would think if American Jews are afraid of Christians (an obviously unwarranted fear) it's for two main reasons:

One, they are taught and believe the lie the Nazis and Hitler were Christian. Hitler might have used the majority religion of the west and of his birth to fool people and gain power, but he didn't believe in it. He was a demonic madman and the antithesis of everything actually Christian.

Two, they are of Jewish descent and are now secular, and pretty much hate all organized religion, and the backwards troglodytes that practice it. They've swallowed the lie in the song Imagine about no religion too.

Posted by: LizLem at June 20, 2025 02:12 PM (gWBY1)

342 The notion that we're getting into an other 'nation building' exercise here is simply wrong on the facts, never mind that Trump won't let that happen. His MAGA people (like me) are happy to make sure the Iranian nuke program is utterly obliterated, and that the heads of the current government are obliterated. None of that requires troops on the ground. More than that is a hard pass, but I don't think it would be required anyway.
Posted by: Guy in Texas at June 20, 2025 02:06 PM (uiawK)

Well said.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 20, 2025 02:12 PM (W50D/)

343 Yeah I had no idea how bad Cambodia got.

Posted by: eleven at June 20, 2025 02:12 PM (fV+MH)

344 If Israel/the US make the conditions appropriate for a proper revolution, the Iranian people will take the shot and I'm not even slightly worried they can set up a functional government afterwards without any Western intervention. There won't be troops on the ground, because they aren't necessary. The notion that we're getting into an other 'nation building' exercise here is simply wrong on the facts, never mind that Trump won't let that happen.

Posted by: Guy in Texas at June 20, 2025 02:06 PM (uiawK)

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I think you're right on this.

The Shah-in-Exile already released a video saying pretty much exactly that.He's got a government in exile ready to go in, they'll have a transitional government, and then elections.

Whether or not that actually happens is a different story, but I think a lot of the Iranian public would go with that.

And then they can deal with the leftover fanatics like the fanatics dealt with people in 1979.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 20, 2025 02:12 PM (6ydKt)

345 If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
Posted by: Crotalus Atrox
________

I don't think Neil thought that one through. If we live in a deterministic universe (not at all saying we do), then the choice not to make a choice was predetermined.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 20, 2025 02:12 PM (ITkJX)

346 we're doomed, DooMed!! we're all gonna die!!!

run for the hills!!!

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Posted by: KwaK! at June 20, 2025 02:13 PM (89Sog)

347 There does seem to be an element among some jews who dislike, resent or are threatened by Christianity.


I saw some leftwing Jewish guy talking about this and his argument was that sure Muslims will murder some number of my fellow Jews, but a sustainable number (and also the "bad" type of religiously observant Jews) whereas Christian evangelism is an existential threat to Jews everywhere because it could convert too many of them.

Now I think he was being more honest then most of his political compatriots, but he isn't wrong in the sense that Leftwing Identity Judaism is not a very satisfy world view for most people any more then say Leftwing Identity Catholicism is.

And the obvious answer is embrace what is supposedly your own religion or accept that people that want meaning in their lives will switch to one that offers it. Oh, and stop sacrificing your brethren to the beast of Islamism because you look down on them for actually believing in the religion that you claim to be a member of.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 20, 2025 02:13 PM (t0Rmr)

348 Spot on Tom Servo.

Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2025 02:13 PM (MmNOR)

349 There has always been this faction in the west that stops Israel when they get the upper hand. They saved the PLO from them in Beirut and got 300 US servicemen killed, they start projects t negotiate with the PLO and more recently Hamas for no positive effect.
Posted by: Oldcat

They are scared shiteless of them. Bunch of dhimmies.

Posted by: runner at June 20, 2025 02:13 PM (nQcpu)

350 Well hello there stretch!

Posted by: KwaK! at June 20, 2025 02:13 PM (89Sog)

351 Negotiate with that, good luck."

Indeed. Most of "the West" is under the delusion that all have the same goals and ideals. That sort of thinking will get one killed...

Posted by: Man at June 20, 2025 02:13 PM (/Q8P0)

352 Cambodia and Laos fared quite poorly.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice, #ProudKing #MoreKings at June 20, 2025 02:09 PM (BI5O2)

That's true. I was only including our overt wars, not our more covert wars.

But we can also look to central america for a great example of where our fucking around caused large term harm.

We deposed leaders over fucking bananas. That set in motion a series of events and coups and counter coups etc that led us to where we are today re: our central american amigos.

And no one ever says "well, listen, we shouldn't have tried to help United Fruit by overthrowing a government..." they say "what? Do you hate America!? Why don't you move to Greenland then!"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 02:13 PM (uCjyK)

353 Shut off all lines of communication. Unleash hell. Go play golf.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * sporting my Andrew Breitbart attitude at June 20, 2025 02:13 PM (F31MH)

354 Saying "we've turned this around and we'll do well this time because Trump" is like saying the Rockies are gonna turn it around because they won a couple games.

Except we've yet to win a game.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice, #ProudKing #MoreKings at June 20, 2025 02:14 PM (BI5O2)

355
So the regime change doesn't happen peacefully, and we go to war. What's going to happen to the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people who are displaced and can't feed or take care of themselves? Who's going to be on the hook for that, the UAE?


First off, who cares?

But more importantly, Persians are NOT lazy, dumbass Arabs. Arabs will sit on their ass and whine about how the street is full of rubble. Persians may whine just as much as the Arabs, but they'll do it while they're picking up chunks of concrete and clearing the road.

And since Israel is making an effort to leave the oil infrastructure intact, the Persians will have plenty of resources to bootstrap themselves.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 20, 2025 02:14 PM (y9nCu)

356 It’s 6 that have been lost and not recovered. Although if they lost more and kept it secret. I doubt they would tell anyone.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2025 02:14 PM (ymT3i)

357 Yes it's the evil xtians who hate the poor innocent hebrew folks lol
Gonna completely ignore the "early life" meme are we?

Posted by: Patrick Bateman at June 20, 2025 02:14 PM (Htufl)

358 333 We are not dealing with rational people. I get it is hard to accept. You may know some very nice people who are Muslim I sure do. In certain cases they are just bonkers. They seem normal, but a switch gets flipped when it comes to Isreal.
Case in point, yesterday morning congressman max Miller got run off the highway by a guy flying a hamas flag and allegedly yelling at him: dirty jew. I'm going to kill you and your family.

This guy. . . A practicing physician. I have seen it too many times. Its practically a diabolical possession. Total loss of self control, to the point of self destruction. Negotiate with that, good luck.
Posted by: Duke Nuke em
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Islam unfortunately lets adherents follow their darker impulses as well as their better ones. But all of their darker impulses are channeled into justification to attack non believers as non humans and subjugate children of the Book (Christians and Jews) by the sword.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2025 02:15 PM (ctrM5)

359
And: does it say anywhere explicitly that these virgins are female

They aren't really human females. They are Houris which are some other type of creation by Allah that mostly look like humans and have the correct parts for sex.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 20, 2025 02:15 PM (t0Rmr)

360 The only reason the Ayatollah is alive; Trump told Netanyahu not to kill him. If he doesn't negotiate there's no reason to keep him alive.
_Kill them all

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 20, 2025 02:15 PM (K9XnW)

361 The fact that you've outlined what happened so well is proof that people can learn. Therefore, we should avoid doing what Iraq taught us not to do. I think Trump has learned the lesson.

How many Afghan refugee did we take in?

Posted by: JasonG at June 20, 2025 02:15 PM (3+0We)

362 I am just so sick of this endless cycle of Muslims murdering people in terrorist attacks and then crying to the press that they're the Real Victims Here when anyone fights back.

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Islam and "secular" leftism are exactly the same.

Posted by: Kareem of Wheat at June 20, 2025 02:15 PM (BMHsU)

363 That assumes we (and by extension, Trump) are incapable of learning. Simply saying "we screwed it up in the past, so we always will" is not an argument.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 01:53 PM (Riz8t)

Not always. But for now? It's a damned good argument. The postwar foreign service and policy establishment that lost every conflict it plunged us into for the last *seventy-five years* is still firmly entrenched, and it will lose this war too.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice, #ProudKing #MoreKings at June 20, 2025 02:08 PM (BI5O2)

Yes, if put out in a logical manner. Too many of these argumenters sound like a jilted middle school girl more than a serious discussion. "They lied to me, waah!".

Posted by: Oldcat at June 20, 2025 02:15 PM (8avO+)

364 Nick Sortor
@nicksortor
#BREAKING: A federal judge has just ordered the RELEASE of Mahmoud Khalil, one of the architects of the pro-Hamas riots at Columbia University

This is INSANE! He’s NOT a U.S. citizen, and is OPENLY TERRORlZING American students at an American university

SEND HIM HOME

Posted by: redridinghood at June 20, 2025 02:16 PM (NpAcC)

365 The Shah-in-Exile already released a video saying pretty much exactly that.He's got a government in exile ready to go in, they'll have a transitional government, and then elections.

Whether or not that actually happens is a different story, but I think a lot of the Iranian public would go with that.

And then they can deal with the leftover fanatics like the fanatics dealt with people in 1979.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 20, 2025 02:12 PM (6ydKt)

Last time we overthrew the government and installed a Pahlavi, that ended up with our embassy staff being taken hostage and 60 years or whatever of "death to America".

So I don't see what could go wrong here.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 02:16 PM (uCjyK)

366 242 I wonder if Elon’s Space X launch was sabotage?
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 20, 2025 01:54 PM (W2Pud)


Long ago, I say next to a guy on an airplane who told me a story. There was some sort of launch, costing maybe $100M. Right before the launch, they distributed layoff notices to the launch team.

This didn't go over well with the team. They knew that the manuals and procedures were flawed, so to get their revenge - without getting in trouble - they simply did everything BY THE BOOK.

The rocket went up, but could not get into the right orbit - it was rendered useless.

It probably doesn't take much to push things off kilter in space flight, and all it takes is a very few pissed off turncoats.

Before, SpaceX would have mishaps, but it was always progressing further - things were being learned. It seems like the last two mishaps were a step backwards - flights not getting as far as they did before. In this last case, before even making it through routine testing.

Posted by: MrExcitement at June 20, 2025 02:16 PM (hOOi9)

367 PRAISE GOD FOR DONALD TRUMP!

Posted by: Kurtz at June 20, 2025 02:16 PM (te1DI)

368 what Candace is doing to be an evil, perverse, and sacrilegious hijacking of it for her own ungodly ends. She and her followers use it as a weapon against those that they hate; yet that was *never* the intent behind it. What she is pitching is blasphemy and perversion of the faith.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 20, 2025 02:09 PM (EVFZ5)

What's she doing?
I don't keep up with her.

The last time I checked her out was over Macron's wife being a man.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 20, 2025 02:16 PM (6ydKt)

369 The fact that you've outlined what happened so well is proof that people can learn. Therefore, we should avoid doing what Iraq taught us not to do. I think Trump has learned the lesson.

How many Afghan refugee did we take in?
Posted by: JasonG at June 20, 2025 02:15 PM (3+0We)

Quite a few when Biden abandoned the place, I'm not sure it was many when we won in the early 80s.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 20, 2025 02:16 PM (8avO+)

370 Yeah, it always amazes me that Cambodia got so bad that the Vietnamese communists had to go in and stop it.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at June 20, 2025 02:16 PM (ymT3i)

371 How do you negotiate with a faction who's belief system tells them they can lie for the greater good of said system?


You can't.

Know islham. No peace.
No islham. Know peace.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 20, 2025 02:16 PM (Zz0t1)

372 So, Iran says they won't negotiate.

That's a shame. Bombs it is then. Sad!

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 20, 2025 02:17 PM (XAXi6)

373 >>But we can also look to central america for a great example of where our fucking around caused large term harm.


I once turned left and got into a terrible car accident.

I should never turn left again, right?

Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2025 02:17 PM (MmNOR)

374 As of the latest available data in 2025, the United States has admitted approximately 110,000 Afghan evacuees directly from Afghanistan and resettled around 90,000 others who were in third countries, many of whom had already undergone a lengthy and stringent vetting process for admission.

These figures largely reflect the evacuations conducted under Operation Allies Refuge and Operation Allies Welcome following the Taliban's takeover of Afghanistan in August 2021.

Posted by: Brave Searchbot at June 20, 2025 02:17 PM (jc0TO)

375
You knew this was coming at some point;

Hitler finds out that that Iran is bombing Israel:

ps://x.com/DavidMKeyes/status/1936028154289602667


It's pretty good.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 20, 2025 02:17 PM (iJfKG)

376 How many Afghan refugee did we take in?
Posted by: JasonG at June 20, 2025 02:15 PM (3+0We)

I don't know, but a lot. Probably millions. Internet says at least 200,000 since the Taliban took back over in 2021.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 02:17 PM (uCjyK)

377 The last time I checked her out was over Macron's wife being a man.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 20, 2025 02:16 PM (6ydKt)

The last mutation of that is that she's not only a man, but his own father. I've been avoiding checking into that mess very hard.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 20, 2025 02:17 PM (8avO+)

378 Iran, through its proxies, has been bombing, terrorizing and invading Israel for over 40 years.
I don't know why it matters whether Iran has a nuke or not. Israel has been chopping off the hydras' heads for far too long. Time to after the body.

Posted by: 29Victor at June 20, 2025 02:18 PM (j6Ika)

379 In policy, as in life, the answer to having made mistakes in the past is never “well I guess I will hide in my bedroom and lock the door and never do anything again ever for fear I might make another mistake.”

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 20, 2025 02:18 PM (EVFZ5)

380 The fact that you've outlined what happened so well is proof that people can learn. Therefore, we should avoid doing what Iraq taught us not to do. I think Trump has learned the lesson.

How many Afghan refugee did we take in?

1) My point is that we learn from the past.
2) We brought in lost of people who collaborated with us while we were in country, but nobody is talking about us being in country.
3) The Biden administration is not in power.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 02:18 PM (Riz8t)

381 Lara Logan interviews former FBI agent who asserts that an enormously well-funded "Islamo-Communist" movement is nested all over America -- Houston, Chicago, Nashville, Los Angeles, New Your, New Jersey, Charlotte.

https://tinyurl.com/48jjn85e

Posted by: Ordinary Amerian at June 20, 2025 02:18 PM (x2CMu)

382 oops>

https://x.com/DavidMKeyes/status/1936028154289602667


Chopped off the front part.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 20, 2025 02:19 PM (iJfKG)

383 The last time I checked her out was over Macron's wife being a man.

The fact that Macron married his much older teacher is weird enough. I suspect that the FNM indulges this kind of stuff to minimize how odd the real situation is.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 20, 2025 02:19 PM (t0Rmr)

384 Gonna have to lose a B2 as well. It's the only plane capable of dropping one of those bad boys.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2025 02:09 PM

Ahem.

(I hate to say that, this bein' a Smart Military Blog, 'n all.)

Posted by: C-130 Hercules at June 20, 2025 02:19 PM (0sNs1)

385 I once turned left and got into a terrible car accident.

I should never turn left again, right?
Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2025 02:17 PM (MmNOR)

If you turned left dozens or hundreds of times since 1945 and got in an accident every time, I don't think it would be unreasonable for you to stop turning left, or for your family to take away your car keys.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 02:19 PM (uCjyK)

386
The Iranians need to show they want the Ayatollah regime gone. They've done so in the past, this is the closest they've actually come to being eliminated. There has to be something reasonable to deal with after the decapitation of these hardliner nut jobs.

Posted by: Frank Barone at June 20, 2025 02:19 PM (IifOV)

387 >>But we can also look to central america for a great example of where our fucking around caused large term harm.


I once turned left and got into a terrible car accident.

I should never turn left again, right?
Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2025 02:17 PM (MmNOR)

You could argue that our indifference and inattention to the area has caused even more harm over those years.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 20, 2025 02:19 PM (8avO+)

388 Last time we overthrew the government and installed a Pahlavi"

The striped pants brigade wants to be British, so they imitated them.

And still try to.

Posted by: Man at June 20, 2025 02:19 PM (/Q8P0)

389 Can you even imagine a world in which terrorists are no longer being funded by millions and millions (maybe billions) of dollars from Iran?

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Not to mention Democrats here being funded by them ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Busy Organizing 'Make Trump King' Protests at June 20, 2025 02:19 PM (TZqdt)

390 I learned a new word today - satrap! Thank you Ace.

Of course I'll probably forget it by this afternoon......

Several references are made to a "Paulite" position. My Catholic upbringing defaults to the Apostle Paul but I think you are referring to Ron Paul (nice guy but no apostle....)

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at June 20, 2025 02:20 PM (QGaXH)

391 Last time we overthrew the government and installed a Pahlavi, that ended up with our embassy staff being taken hostage and 60 years or whatever of "death to America".
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 02:16 PM

Counterfactuals are always tough. Would we have been better off leaving the Communists in charge of Iran during the Cold War?

Posted by: toby928 at June 20, 2025 02:20 PM (jc0TO)

392
And since Israel is making an effort to leave the oil infrastructure intact, the Persians will have plenty of resources to bootstrap themselves.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur
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They made and announcement to the Persians last night/yesterday that today and tomorrow that their airstrikes would show them that they were for the Iranian people.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 20, 2025 02:20 PM (K9XnW)

393 I should never turn left again, right?
Posted by: garrett at June 20, 2025 02:17 PM

Right. It's tight.

Posted by: J. Random Moron at June 20, 2025 02:20 PM (0sNs1)

394 If Hitler and his scientists had gotten the bomb first, what city would he have attacked first? London? DC? New York? Jerusalem?

Posted by: LizLem at June 20, 2025 02:20 PM (gWBY1)

395
The fact that Macron married his much older teacher is weird enough. I suspect that the FNM indulges this kind of stuff to minimize how odd the real situation is.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 20, 2025 02:19 PM (t0Rmr)


"She" started molesting him when he was 14.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 20, 2025 02:20 PM (Zz0t1)

396 >>But we can also look to central america for a great example of where our fucking around caused large term harm.


I once turned left and got into a terrible car accident.

I should never turn left again, right?

I got shot down plenty of times. I guess I should have learned and never approached my now wife.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 02:21 PM (Riz8t)

397

" Iran's repeated threats to kill Donald Trump"

Hey, that's just like what the Democrats and most of the federal govt wanted to do!

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at June 20, 2025 02:21 PM (et1vG)

398 Lara Logan interviews former FBI agent who asserts that an enormously well-funded "Islamo-Communist" movement is nested all over America -- Houston, Chicago, Nashville, Los Angeles, New Your, New Jersey, Charlotte.

https://tinyurl.com/48jjn85e
Posted by: Ordinary Amerian at June 20, 2025 02:18 PM (x2CMu)

We already know about the Democrats Lara.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 20, 2025 02:21 PM (8avO+)

399 nood

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 02:21 PM (uCjyK)

400 Last time we overthrew the government and installed a Pahlavi, that ended up with our embassy staff being taken hostage and 60 years or whatever of "death to America".

So I don't see what could go wrong here.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 02:16 PM (uCjyK)

Pahlavi ran a tight ship for many years, and really modernized the country. His biggest problem was that, apparently at the behest of the CIA, he spent too much effort looking for Reds under every bed, and basically ignored the wild-eyed mullahs ranting on the street corners. He should have had Khomeini killed, instead of exiling him to France.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 20, 2025 02:21 PM (W50D/)

401 Former nuclear engineer here. You can use HEU (Highly Enriched Uranium), even weapons-grade, in a nuclear reactor to generate power. The control rods keep it from going supercritical. You just wouldn't want to use HEU to generate power. Normal commercial nuclear reactors use 5% U-235 enrichment (20% is High, 90%+ is Weapons-grade). 5% is about the amount needed to kick off the chain reaction and let the remaining Uranium (U-23 provide the rest of the reaction. Enriching it more than that doesn't help generate useable energy, it costs more than you'd get out. Also, over time, that U-238 will absorb a neutron and turn to Plutonium-239 which itself can fission and create energy. So you'd be giving away those "Freebee" fissions, which commercially, you wouldn't want to do. The only advantage of running HEU in a reactor is the reactor can be a smaller size. But that's a consideration for nuclear warships, not commercial electricity plants.

Posted by: Rdubs at June 20, 2025 02:21 PM (9ALg7)

402 At some point, they have to be taught that if they want war, they're going to get war.


Probably already been said, but most of the western world has forgotten what Total War is all about. With Oct 7, Iran and it's proxies tipped the scale from limited/proportional response to total war. They need to be unconditionally defeated, no mercy, no restraint (except nuclear), and 24/7/365 attacks. Pound them until they cry uncle, and pound them some more until they really mean it. This is the only way.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 20, 2025 02:21 PM (W/lyH)

403 The are the professional victim that practices all murdering tricks.

Go be goth or something, but muslin is a dangerous cult.

Posted by: Dreamingrobot at June 20, 2025 02:22 PM (uOoN0)

404 Last time we overthrew the government and installed a Pahlavi, that ended up with our embassy staff being taken hostage and 60 years or whatever of "death to America".

So I don't see what could go wrong here.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 02:16 PM (uCjyK)


The younger generation is not impressed with the mullahs, or their fanaticism, or their constant provocations, terrorist attacks and wars with the West over some Arabs in Gaza they care little about.

I think a lot of Iranians will be happy as hell to get rid of the mullahs and build their own country into some kind of democratic state, whether that's a republic like Iraq or a constitutional monarchy like Jordan.

It's up to them, and I hope that's how it turns out for them if the mullahs are forced out of power.

I could be wrong and it will turn out to be another disaster but that's their problem, and they can figure it out, just sans nukes.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 20, 2025 02:22 PM (6ydKt)

405 New one: ICE

Posted by: Archimedes at June 20, 2025 02:22 PM (Riz8t)

406 8 Surrender, motherfuckers. You will say it.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 20, 2025 01:18 PM (ZIggv)

Here is the question. Do you make them surrender to Israel or do you let them surrender to the US? Some other third party?

If all the mullahs are killed, who do you accept surrender from?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at June 20, 2025 02:22 PM (OA79/)

407 According to the link my naval academy nephew sent me, US subs use uranium enriched to 93%.

Posted by: Turn 2 at June 20, 2025 02:22 PM (6TlG5)

408 391 Last time we overthrew the government and installed a Pahlavi, that ended up with our embassy staff being taken hostage and 60 years or whatever of "death to America".
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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That happened because Carter was president not that they were so dominant. Carter's the one that facilitated the Ayatollah's flight from Paris back to Iran.


Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 20, 2025 02:22 PM (K9XnW)

409 If Hitler and his scientists had gotten the bomb first, what city would he have attacked first? London? DC? New York? Jerusalem?

They didn't have rockets to reach the US. Russia moved their industry east, out of range probably, but Moscow was not for a large portion of the war.

So either London or Moscow.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 20, 2025 02:22 PM (t0Rmr)

410 The EU is screwed, though.
They got Russia, MENA, and US to chose from.

It's too bad the French are the only ones who like nuclear power. That's about the only thing they can rely on other than the North Sea.
Posted by: SpeakingOf
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Fracking will work for nat gas and perhaps petroleum in a number of Euro States including the UK. And Israel's Mega field in the Mediterranean is truly massive in size enough to sell a lot of nat gas to Euroland. Shameably the US has opposed allowing our pipeline tech to be used to do such because it might piss off the Turks.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2025 02:23 PM (ctrM5)

411 This passive-aggressive approach is bullshit. We have the excuse of hostages still being held, credible assassination plans against a sitting US president, plus multiple attacks against US forces in the region. And, what’s with the two week notice? We need Apprentice you’re fired energy. Too much WWE Smackdown crap.

Posted by: Unkaren at June 20, 2025 02:23 PM (LPL2Y)

412 Carter's the one that told the Marines to stand down when AhmADinnerJacket came for the embassy.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 20, 2025 02:23 PM (K9XnW)

413 401
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Cool info. Thanks, Rdubs.

Posted by: scampydog at June 20, 2025 02:23 PM (2bFN5)

414 Counterfactuals are always tough. Would we have been better off leaving the Communists in charge of Iran during the Cold War?
Posted by: toby928 at June 20, 2025 02:20 PM (jc0TO)

That's a good question. Knowing what we know now, yeah, probably.

I have mixed feelings about the Cold War, but I also have the advantage of being able to monday morning quarterback it.

But generally speaking, I think we can say for sure that a lot of the things we did in the Cold War came back to bite us in the ass one way or another. Whether or not it was worth it is an interesting subject to debate, but ultimately, you can't change the past and counterfactuals are always going to be just guessing at some point.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 02:24 PM (uCjyK)

415 402 At some point, they have to be taught that if they want war, they're going to get war.


Probably already been said, but most of the western world has forgotten what Total War is all about. With Oct 7, Iran and it's proxies tipped the scale from limited/proportional response to total war. They need to be unconditionally defeated, no mercy, no restraint (except nuclear), and 24/7/365 attacks. Pound them until they cry uncle, and pound them some more until they really mean it. This is the only way.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 20, 2025 02:21 PM (W/lyH)

You excluded nuclear but it is well known in these parts that the only sure way is to nuke 'em from orbit....

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at June 20, 2025 02:24 PM (QGaXH)

416 I'm sympathetic to the idea that the US not get involved in another middle eastern war themselves, but the idea that we should stop Israel from finishing what they started is pure insanity. Israel's been unleashed and that's a good thing. Let them handle the dirty work, sure. If US involvement is necessary to bring Iran to heel, then weigh the consequences against the potential benefits and decide based on what's best for us, not what's best for the rest of the world or even Israel. If that means a limited bombing engagement, I'm fine with that.

Hell, I'd be fine with declaring full-blown war, as long as we had clearly defined objectives and victory conditions. No more lengthy engagements with vague goals like "establishing democracy" or "stabilizing the region" or some shit. Tell me from the beginning what the exact goal is so we can withdraw when it's finished.

Trump has been very good at excercising our military might in specific and limited ways. I have zero problems with that. Not getting involved in endless wars, like the stalemate in Ukraine or the previous Iraq conflict, is what I voted for. I did NOT vote for refusing to rain hell down on those who threaten us.

Posted by: Caiwyn at June 20, 2025 02:24 PM (yHxqC)

417 If you listened to Trump's speech in Saudi he laid out his foreign policy very clearly and it was a complete departure from decades of bi-partisan clusterfuck regime change.

Trump said very clearly he wants every country to choose their own leadership and form of government with one provision, no Death to Great and Little Satan shit. He does not want to be in the business of forcing leaders on any other country much like he didn't want it here.

I don't know if anyone has noticed but Trump tends to do things his way and not the DC way. There is no reason to believe he is lying about this.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 20, 2025 02:25 PM (viF8m)

418
As part of the end of the mullahcracy running Iran,

I would like to see that magic well the 12th Imam is supposed to crawl out of bombed until it's just an empty crater a mile wide and 500 yards deep.

That would be a huge hit on their apocalyptic beliefs and the need to foster nuclear war.

Their "strong horse" being a dead horse, so to speak, would be a nice bit of longterm psychological warfare.

Heck, they might even give islam the heave-ho as a result.

Posted by: naturalfake at June 20, 2025 02:25 PM (iJfKG)

419 Trump has a rare opportunity to eliminate a longstanding international malignancy. Not politically easy in the short run, perhaps, but with a huge potential payoff in many respects.

Posted by: Ordinary Amerian at June 20, 2025 02:27 PM (x2CMu)

420 The younger generation is not impressed with the mullahs, or their fanaticism, or their constant provocations, terrorist attacks and wars with the West over some Arabs in Gaza they care little about.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 20, 2025 02:22 PM (6ydKt)

We have no real way of knowing that. We just have to take the word of our intel agencies. Who just a few short years ago were saying COVID was of natural origin, Hunter Bidens laptop was Russian disinformation, Trump got pissed on by hookers in Moscow, and that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, among many, many other things.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 02:27 PM (uCjyK)

421 There has always been this faction in the west that stops Israel when they get the upper hand. They saved the PLO from them in Beirut and got 300 US servicemen killed, they start projects t negotiate with the PLO and more recently Hamas for no positive effect.
Posted by: Oldcat

They are scared shiteless of them. Bunch of dhimmies.
Posted by: runner at June 20, 2025 02:13 PM (nQcpu)

I disagree, because they pick them up when they get knocked down and set them up able to attack Israel again. If they were feared, they would help them less when they are weak.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 20, 2025 02:27 PM (8avO+)

422 1) My point is that we learn from the past.

We're talking about going to the ME to stop an obviously evil government from making WMDs. I'm not so sure we've learned any lessons.

Posted by: JasonG at June 20, 2025 02:28 PM (3+0We)

423 >>> Funny how quickly Tucker went from darling to douchebag. Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 20, 2025 02:12 PM (Zz0t1)

This is precisely why I try not to hero worship anyone on the right. They might agree with me 99% of the time, but then it's that weird 1% belief of theirs I have to get roped into justifying, and I don't want to be in that position. The only idol to worship is God. All others are inevitably disappointing.

So many voices on the right that I value have one little off thing that is weird. No one is perfect. And even the people on the right I trust or admire 99.999999% of the time... Rush Limbaugh, Clarence Thomas, Larry elder, Thomas Sowell, even Ace... have had their own foibles and imperfections.

(I mean, what kind of blogger is Ace that he messes up on shelves? And accidentally posts lesbian hijinks? Sacrilege.)

Posted by: LizLem at June 20, 2025 02:28 PM (gWBY1)

424 Fracking will work for nat gas and perhaps petroleum in a number of Euro States including the UK. And Israel's Mega field in the Mediterranean is truly massive in size enough to sell a lot of nat gas to Euroland. Shameably the US has opposed allowing our pipeline tech to be used to do such because it might piss off the Turks.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2025 02:23 PM (ctrM5)

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I'd imagine the pipeline is a bargaining chip to get into the EU, finally.

But Erdogan might not even care about the EU now, after they've given him the run around for decades.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 20, 2025 02:30 PM (6ydKt)

425 >>>We have no real way of knowing that. We just have to take the word of our intel agencies. Who just a few short years ago were saying COVID was of natural origin, Hunter Bidens laptop was Russian disinformation, Trump got pissed on by hookers in Moscow, and that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, among many, many other things.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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There are clips of Iranians speaking of police coming to their homes and beating family members suspected of 'wrong think'.
Also family members disappearing. There appears to be a large segment of the population most resentful of the tyranny.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 20, 2025 02:32 PM (K9XnW)

426 this is a once in a lifetime chance to end Iran's nuke ambitions. The number of things that had to happen, much without Israels knowledge to get to this point is mind blowing. We either finish the job or let Iran have a nuke at this point.

Posted by: ohnonotme at June 20, 2025 02:32 PM (s8WNT)

427 We have no real way of knowing that. We just have to take the word of our intel agencies.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 20, 2025 02:27 PM (uCjyK)

There are videos of them all over the place celebrating the missile strikes.

I don't need the CIA to tell me that.

There's one video of a group of people on a rooftop in Tehran, dancing and eating popcorn as the missiles hit in the distance.

These kids are probably just like you and are tired of the old people's shit, but in this case they want the war so they'll finally be rid of the assholes.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 20, 2025 02:33 PM (6ydKt)

428 With Oct 7, Iran and it's proxies tipped the scale from limited/proportional response to total war.

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My own theory is that Iran is innocent of that charge directly, because they did not also launch the forces in Syria and Lebanon at the same time.

Hamas negotiations with the US and Saudi Arabia for bribes had collapsed, and I think they kicked off the massacre because the Middle East governments would follow the radicals into war with Israel rather than visibly back Israel. Iran inside of BRICS was joining a mainstream group and possibly less intent on the old terror war. Proxies can manipulate the masterminds too, see Zelensky and Ukraine widening that war repeatedly

Anyhow, its water under the bridge.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 20, 2025 02:33 PM (8avO+)

429 There are videos of them all over the place celebrating the missile strikes.

I don't need the CIA to tell me that.

There's one video of a group of people on a rooftop in Tehran, dancing and eating popcorn as the missiles hit in the distance.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 20, 2025 02:33 PM (6ydKt)

There are videos in the US of people celebrating October 7. This doesn't mean all of us did.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 20, 2025 02:34 PM (8avO+)

430 Israel vs. Iran - I think I saw this skit on Monte Python and the Holy Grail.

Posted by: Angel at June 20, 2025 02:35 PM (oiJGz)

431 I'd imagine the pipeline is a bargaining chip to get into the EU, finally.

But Erdogan might not even care about the EU now, after they've given him the run around for decades.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 20, 2025 02:30 PM (6ydKt)

Yeah, I think he's playing a lot of ends against the middle. He's helped Russia a lot, then toppled their Syrian government and took it over. Not sure what his ultimate game is.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 20, 2025 02:36 PM (8avO+)

432 >>> I once turned left and got into a terrible car accident. I should never turn left again, right?

If by turning left you mean you turned left into a parked car, then, yes, never do that again.

Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at June 20, 2025 02:36 PM (ERYKL)

433 The Israelis are the one actor in this whole cocked up mess who sees things with precise clarity because they're the ones that will be annihilated. The long low-grade war with Iran and it's proxies compelled Israel to prepare for the inevitable war with all of them. The October 7th horror was the match that lit this off. The Gaza campaign was never not going to be a total war. It had to be by definition. Taking out the Hezbollah leadership was a stroke of genius as it crippled their military capability and freed up the Israelis to turn its attention to the head of the snake, Iran.

The Iranian campaign has been masterful and precisely calibrated to exterminate the existential threat of Iranian nuclear weapons dropping on Israel. They have done the heavy lifting for the world by causing the Iranian regime to teeter. Everybody knows they need to go and now. A bit of US help here will go a long way in eliminating the source of much instability around the world.

Will US intervention lead to a more stable world? That is to be written. What is certain if nothing is done is the potential for a major war, potentially global, triggered by the Iranians Is far more than non-zero.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at June 20, 2025 02:39 PM (NXz8h)

434 Ultimately, I trust President Trump to do the right thing for the United States. I couldn't tell you what that thing is right now, but I do trust him and will support whatever decision he makes.

I like Tucker, but there is no way I will abandon the President now, when he needs us most.

Posted by: Seamus Moon at June 20, 2025 02:39 PM (Ab/3c)

435 As part of the end of the mullahcracy running Iran,

I would like to see that magic well the 12th Imam is supposed to crawl out of bombed until it's just an empty crater a mile wide and 500 yards deep.

That would be a huge hit on their apocalyptic beliefs and the need to foster nuclear war.

Their "strong horse" being a dead horse, so to speak, would be a nice bit of longterm psychological warfare.

Heck, they might even give islam the heave-ho as a result.
Posted by: naturalfake at June 20, 2025 02:25 PM (iJfKG)

I don't think its location was specified. Didn't the Sudanese claim their leader was him when they rebelled and wiped out that English force in 1895ish period?

Posted by: Oldcat at June 20, 2025 02:39 PM (8avO+)

436 Ultimately, I trust President Trump to do the right thing for the United States. I couldn't tell you what that thing is right now, but I do trust him and will support whatever decision he makes.

I like Tucker, but there is no way I will abandon the President now, when he needs us most.
Posted by: Seamus Moon at June 20, 2025 02:39 PM (Ab/3c)

I lost tons of respect for Tucker when I saw his sophomoric attack on Cruz about "you know nothing of Iran because you don't know the population of it down to the last person". You want to make the point he doesn't know the situation attack his policies, not bullshit tricks like that. He's your guest for gods sake.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 20, 2025 02:42 PM (8avO+)

437 I don't think its location was specified. Didn't the Sudanese claim their leader was him when they rebelled and wiped out that English force in 1895ish period?
Posted by: Oldcat at June 20, 2025 02:39 PM (8avO+)

Don't know about "Imam"; I know he called himself "The Mahdi" which is another kind of mythological Islamic figure." He dead now.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 20, 2025 02:43 PM (uWKK8)

438 I don't think its location was specified. Didn't the Sudanese claim their leader was him when they rebelled and wiped out that English force in 1895ish period?
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Those were Sunni Sufis of all things I think. Aka whirling dervishes. Sufism had some mystically minded warriors as well as those that are pacifists.

Leader was their Mahdi and both Sunni and Shia have their versions of it.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2025 02:48 PM (ctrM5)

439
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Posted by: Methos at June 20, 2025 02:48 PM (Dnobf)

440 Yeah, I think he's playing a lot of ends against the middle. He's helped Russia a lot, then toppled their Syrian government and took it over. Not sure what his ultimate game is.
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He has made comments as to restoring the caliphate and suzerainty of Turkey over nearby nations. Problem for him is that his popularity appears to be running out from all sides.

His electoral cheating and arrest of rival political parties is getting old in urban areas. Reminds me of the late Shah in a way.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2025 02:50 PM (ctrM5)

441 But Erdogan might not even care about the EU now, after they've given him the run around for decades.
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The EU needs Turkey inside it just like a person does with ass cancer. It is dying already from internal poisoning of Muslims and letting Turkey in will simply accelerate the process and possibly lead Eastern Europe to sheer off into Russian embrace.

People have long memories in Eurolands of the Turks.

Posted by: whig at June 20, 2025 02:53 PM (ctrM5)

442 "believing that he doesn't want to intervene in the war directly, and also believing that Israel is incapable of taking out Iran's key nuclear site buried deeply under a mountain."

Iranian beliefs have been wrong on quite a few things lately, as evidenced by Hamas, Houthi, Syria, Hezbollah.....

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at June 20, 2025 02:53 PM (D1vbu)

443 Unconditional surrender, trials for anyone who was part of the mullahtocracy for war crimes, terrorism and crimes against humanity.

Posted by: Erick at June 20, 2025 02:55 PM (SUzr1)

444 Ace- "weapons grade" uranium CAN be used in a reactor:

https://x.com/i/grok/share/m8nzYdn5iAJ5IUsEmQvPRUYNM

Posted by: Hillary's Left Testicle at June 20, 2025 03:13 PM (UGnOX)

445 People appreciate honesty. I think if someone besides me came right out and said we need to have another Crusade against Islam and we will be kicking every muslim out of Western nations then a lot of people would support that. Its certainly better than pussyfooting around and telling people we're going to the Middle East again to fight and die for Israel.

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy at June 20, 2025 03:16 PM (/4+8Z)

446 Ending Iran's funding of terror will be almost as big as ending USAID's funding of the terrorist Left in the USA.

Posted by: jimmymcnulty at June 20, 2025 03:47 PM (sMoPf)

447 weapons grade" uranium CAN be used in a reactor:

https://x.com/i/grok/share/m8nzYdn5iAJ5IUsEmQvPRUYNM

But - but only in a reactor in a military vessel, none of which Oran has or is likely to ever have. Way to make ace’s point for him. Irans highly enriched uranium is only for a bomb.

Posted by: Brian at June 20, 2025 04:20 PM (/AI7O)

448 with the conversation vis-a-vis jews and Christians, there certainly is a memory with Jewry of when Christianity was a disaster for jews ( Byzantium, medieval Europe, Spanish inquisition) but a realization that we share much in common with the US Christian community. I think also that there are thousands of opinions out there and loudmouths on the internet certainly dont talk for anyone but themselves, but generally most Jews are appreciative of our Christian co-citizens.

Posted by: zvi at June 20, 2025 04:34 PM (J1aT3)

449 Great to see antisemitic racists like Tucker Carlson, Matt Walsh, Charlie Kirk and Jack Posobiec being called out. A lot of dangerous misinformation coming out of these antisemites.

Posted by: Tucker Carlson is an antisemitic racist at June 20, 2025 05:25 PM (CowIf)

450 We have more reasons to dump the Useless Nations and trash them period

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at June 20, 2025 06:08 PM (wGqjj)

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