Trump: I'll Decide Within #TwoWeeks Whether I'll Send Bombers to Take Out the Iranian Nuke Sites

Rapid Response 47
@RapidResponse47
.@PressSec shares a message from President Trump: "Based on the fact that there's a substantial chance of negotiations that may or may not take place with Iran in the near future, I will make my decision whether or not to go within the next two weeks."

Trump doesn't want to alienate the minority of his base that has gone full Code Pink, so he wants to delay making a decision. There are several things that could happen that could make it unnecessary for him to decide at all, thus allowing him to skate past this political headache without upsetting anyone (except the people who demand he affirmatively join Iran's cause and save them from the wrath of our allies in Israel, like Tucker Carlson).

First, the Iranian regime could actually agree to "UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER," at least as far as their nuke programs. As the situation gets worse for them, they might well go back on their vow to never, ever give up their nuke program. They might agree to denucularization and the UN's atomic energy regulators could be allowed to come in and take all the enriched uranium and the enrichment equipment away.

Second, the Iranian regime could collapse. In which case, a deal might be reached with the successor government to evacuate nuclear materials out of Iran.

Third, Israel might just take care of this all themselves and spare Trump the bother of having to give a controversial order. While Israeli planes are far too small to carry the 30,000 pound Massive Ordnance Penetrator that is designed to take out very hardened underground bunkers, they could airdrop in commandos armed with huge amounts of explosives to physically carry them into Fodrow and set the charges on the walls of the place. It's a man-made cave under a mountain; with enough explosives and some smart engineering, it can be collapsed.

Also, as David Strom suggests, while the Israelis don't have any warplanes that can carry a 30,000 pound munition, they do have C-130 cargo planes, and such massive cargo lifters have been used to drop ordnance in the past.

He links this article suggesting that Israeli C-130s could drop the MOP.

There is certainly a precedent for C-130s dropping absolutely massive bombs out of their cargo holds, both old and new. The BLU-82 Daisy Cutter was dropped by C-130, primarily to clear landing zones, during the Vietnam War. A modernized fuel-air weapon known as the GBU-43 Mother Of All Bombs (MOAB) is in service today, and it was used with devastating results in Afghanistan in 2017. So why not a super-heavy penetrator?
Dropping a weapon weighing nearly 30,000 pounds out the back of a C-130 would certainly be something to behold. The MOAB clocks in at nearly a third lighter than MOP. Still, MOP or a similar weapon could be designed to maximize the C-130's airdrop envelope and not exceed it, and should have no problem fitting inside of and being released by a C-130.

The problem is that the C-130 is the opposite of stealthy, and would not survive an attempt to deliver the bomb if Iran could get its air defense missiles to lock on it.

But do they have many of those left? Israel has focused on taking out Iran's air defense grid since the first seconds of the war, and they continue taking them out. Can they degrade those capabilities so much that a big fat clumsy C-130 can fly in without being attacked?

.@PressSec shares a message from President Trump: "Based on the fact that there's a substantial chance of negotiations that may or may not take place with Iran in the near future, I will make my decision whether or not to go within the next two weeks." pic.twitter.com/r3yVnbZHAC
— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) June 19, 2025

Posted by: Ace at 05:05 PM

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1 first.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 19, 2025 05:07 PM (e5NfL)

2 2 weeks!

Posted by: Arnold in a wig . . . at June 19, 2025 05:08 PM (cfyxU)

3 Hey at least Trump is giving them an off ramp. If they come to the table it works out better for everyone.

The problem is other than the perpetual "death to America" chants the iranian government isn't saying anything publicly.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 19, 2025 05:08 PM (e5NfL)

4
2 weeks sound like a long time in concerns to war.

Posted by: Frank Barone at June 19, 2025 05:10 PM (IifOV)

5 Two weeks.

LMAO

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at June 19, 2025 05:10 PM (/BeiT)

6
Fuck.

Posted by: Bibi Netanyahu at June 19, 2025 05:11 PM (IifOV)

7 It depends partly on who Israel hasn't eliminated in two weeks.

Posted by: huerfano at June 19, 2025 05:12 PM (n2swS)

8 5 hours is within two weeks.

Great deception plan. Does not allow time to move stuff.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 19, 2025 05:12 PM (u82oZ)

9 Corgis called.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 19, 2025 05:12 PM (WZaJc)

10 Fourth. While a B-2 could be there and back in 24 hours or so, it takes a lot of time to deploy a credible American force to the CENTCOM Region. It also takes time to spin up crews and troops to know the threat there. We do not want to be sending in a single B-2 alone without any American cover, or support. Sure, the Israelis could assist, but we still need to d some things ourselves.
"Within two weeks" sounds about right to get a couple wings of fighters and bombers there plus another Carrier Group.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 19, 2025 05:12 PM (W/lyH)

11 Only way this works is if they finish destroying the existing regime.

If any of that Leadership exists, keep bombing... Iran has been a problem for 45 years... it's time for them to 'move on' into the pages of history (IMO)

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2025 05:13 PM (mP0Kj)

12 I wouldn't be surprised if Khamenei was already dead.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 19, 2025 05:13 PM (BjH5D)

13 I'm the part of the base who wants to see Komeini like napalm girl in Vietnam. Running down the alley crying naked as a jaybird.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at June 19, 2025 05:14 PM (wBaIH)

14 >>> 12 I wouldn't be surprised if Khamenei was already dead.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 19, 2025 05:13 PM (BjH5D)

We would have told you.

Posted by: Jake Tapper at June 19, 2025 05:14 PM (ULPxl)

15 So, is this an Official Two Weeks notice?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2025 05:14 PM (mP0Kj)

16 The "jump" upwards when a 30k bomb slides out the back must be a hell of a ride.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 19, 2025 05:14 PM (WZaJc)

17 *raises hand*

I have a question: why do we have to tell anyone? It's a stealth bomber.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 19, 2025 05:14 PM (zZu0s)

18 It was ancient alien astronauts.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 19, 2025 05:15 PM (0e/QT)

19 Two weeks to bend the curve. Wait that's COVID.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 19, 2025 05:15 PM (U/Wlk)

20 The problem is that the C-130 is the opposite of stealthy, and would not survive an attempt to deliver the bomb if Iran could get its air defense missiles to lock on it.
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Let's find out...
If Israel has the J model they might already have rigged up with an 'enhanced autopilot'.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 19, 2025 05:15 PM (/lPRQ)

21 Full Code Pink?

It wasn't that long ago we were all condemning John Bolton and the rest of the war hawks on this site.

Talk about a terminal case of Eastasia and Oceania. Good grief.

Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at June 19, 2025 05:16 PM (ERYKL)

22 "I wouldn't be surprised if Khamenei was already dead.
Posted by: Warai-otoko "

Tousi said they hit his bunker.

fk if I know.

Posted by: eleven at June 19, 2025 05:16 PM (fV+MH)

23 So why not a super-heavy penetrator?

I'll take "Things Taylor Lorenz Says" for $500, Alex.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 19, 2025 05:17 PM (t5upi)

24 The "jump" upwards when a 30k bomb slides out the back must be a hell of a ride.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 19, 2025 05:14 PM (WZaJc)

You ain't just whistlin' dixie.

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at June 19, 2025 05:17 PM (/BeiT)

25 We must not allow a troll slap fight gap!
-Gen Jack D Ripper

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 19, 2025 05:17 PM (zZu0s)

26 Oh..... Looky.... TWO Weeks is?

4th of July! By the Rockets Red Glare.... bombs bursting in Iran...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2025 05:17 PM (mP0Kj)

27 Well, the Persians reached out to Europe and requested negotiations. They are buying time. They want to be able to come up with a plan c. Leverage. They need to put together a credible threat of retaliation if there is a bombing run on fordow by the US. They aren't really negotiating. They are stalling. Again. They will just make threats. Use the time to activate sleeper cells, and see if they can organize a Deadmans switch.

These camel humpers aren't interested in peace or prosperity. They are an end of the world cult. They are going to wind up with a lot disappointment and bomb damage. Mostly bomb damage.

Posted by: Duke Nuke em at June 19, 2025 05:18 PM (OlHNa)

28 You ain't just whistlin' dixie.
Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at June 19, 2025 05:17 PM (/BeiT
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LOL

Posted by: 496 at June 19, 2025 05:18 PM (9C6BN)

29 It wasn't that long ago we were all condemning John Bolton and the rest of the war hawks on this site.

Talk about a terminal case of Eastasia and Oceania. Good grief.
Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at June 19, 2025 05:16 PM (ERYKL)

There's a difference between taking out Iran's nukes and full-on John Bolton "nation building". I'm perfectly fine with "in and out and nobody gets hurt".

Posted by: Ian S. at June 19, 2025 05:18 PM (t5upi)

30 So why not a super-heavy penetrator?

I'll take "Things Taylor Lorenz Says" for $500, Alex.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 19, 2025 05:17 PM (t5upi)

I doubt she need the 'super penatrator' any more.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 19, 2025 05:18 PM (zZu0s)

31 >>>If any of that Leadership exists, keep bombing... Iran has been a problem for 45 years... it's time for them to 'move on' into the pages of history (IMO)

apparently we fear that killing him would "inflame" Iranians or something

>>>It wasn't that long ago we were all condemning John Bolton and the rest of the war hawks on this site.

I never, ever signed your pledge to literally never attack an enemy, and neither did Trump. He has repeatedly vowed he will not allow Iran to get a nuke. Should he abandon that promise?

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:18 PM (KRtlO)

32 Karoline Leavitt is a treasure.

Posted by: Emmie at June 19, 2025 05:18 PM (rF2iL)

33 This is scary. Almost Cuban Missile Crisis scary. But I think it’s the right call. May God have mercy on us all!

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 19, 2025 05:18 PM (qgNn3)

34 >>>I doubt she need the 'super penatrator' any more.

not much tread left on those tires

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:19 PM (KRtlO)

35 I remember when the US tried to rescue the hostages in 1980 from bases inside Iran.

Hopefully Israel has secret bases in the desert in Iran and has a better outcome this time around in eliminating the weird beards.

Posted by: Operation Eagle Claw at June 19, 2025 05:19 PM (R/m4+)

36
They should dig up Jimmy Carter and drop him into Tehran from 30,000 feet.

Posted by: Frank Barone at June 19, 2025 05:19 PM (IifOV)

37 Just use the orbital meteor guns.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 19, 2025 05:19 PM (0e/QT)

38 Should he abandon that promise?

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:18 PM (KRtlO)

Yes, because we are all about the perfect being the enemy of the good- except when it fits the argument.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 19, 2025 05:20 PM (zZu0s)

39 Yea. The minority that has gone full Code Pink.

I’ve seen polling that says it ain’t quite the minority you say it is.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 19, 2025 05:20 PM (eZwyX)

40 Well, I'm going to categorize this one as negotiating from strength.

"Excuse me, US Diplomat. Why is there a two week countdown clock present here in this negotiation meeting?"

(shrug...smile...tapping motion on wrist watch)

Posted by: Orson at June 19, 2025 05:20 PM (dIske)

41 I strongly doubt that Iran has any ground-to-air defenses left, or at least not many. But they do have a free FO working at the Washington Post to help aim their missiles

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2025 05:20 PM (e7kz6)

42 >>>Trump will do what ever his daddy Bebe tells him to do.
Posted by: Sad Weak President

that's right, Nefarious Jews control the US through ZOG, you nailed it.

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:21 PM (KRtlO)

43 Trump is the absolute master of “maybe I’ll do this, maybe I’ll do that”… the mullahs have to be sweating LoL

I think Trump even said something the other day the essential substance of which was: nobody knows what I’ll do

Like Maverick in the original Top Gun: flies by the seat of his pants, completely unpredictable. There’s a genius to it

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 19, 2025 05:21 PM (/iXAp)

44 Wait, I thought he was Putins bitch... both?! Damn, Trump gets around.

Get a paternity test, Vladimir.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 19, 2025 05:21 PM (zZu0s)

45 Just have Luke in an X-Wing drop a charge down an exhaust port. Been done before

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 19, 2025 05:21 PM (U/Wlk)

46 Of course IF Israel does have air superiority they 'could' drop some commandos in at the bunker(s) and drop some irritants down the ir shafts... or a few thousands of fuel oil and a match would be better.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 19, 2025 05:21 PM (/lPRQ)

47 Trump didn't say when he would bomb. He said when he would decide. So he could decide in two weeks to bomb at any time. Or not for that matter.

Posted by: Case at June 19, 2025 05:21 PM (k7qYZ)

48 Duke Nuke em at 29 is right.
They are stalling.
Just as Trump is waiting to get all the pieces in place, I suspect Tehran is waiting to get all their response teams in place...all over the world.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 19, 2025 05:22 PM (W/lyH)

49 #twoweeks

Posted by: pookysgirl with the oldie but goodie at June 19, 2025 05:22 PM (Wt5PA)

50 Not all two weeks are equal.

#TwoWeeks

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 19, 2025 05:22 PM (0sNs1)

51 It's the same lazy cunty trollishness that thinks a couple smellies fucking around in egypt is functionally equivalent to a Christian soup kitchen.

Every apple is exactly and perfectly identical to every other apple that has ever existed.

Every bomb is a neocon bomb.

Every act of violence occurs in a vacuum and is morally and ethically indistinguishable from any other act of violence.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 19, 2025 05:22 PM (BjH5D)

52 Just have Luke in an X-Wing drop a charge down an exhaust port. Been done before
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 19, 2025 05:21 PM (U/Wlk)

Did you know he used to bullseye Walmarts on his T16 back home?

Posted by: BruceWayne at June 19, 2025 05:22 PM (MGB5H)

53 These camel humpers aren't interested in peace or prosperity. They are an end of the world cult. They are going to wind up with a lot disappointment and bomb damage. Mostly bomb damage.
Posted by: Duke Nuke em at June 19, 2025 05:18 PM (OlHNa)

Funny part? This is blueprinted in the Koran... as Moh used these exact tactics.

Terror when strong... act like you surrender and negotiate when the battle goes against you.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2025 05:22 PM (mP0Kj)

54 > Fourth. While a B-2 could be there and back in 24 hours or so, it takes a lot of time to deploy a credible American force to the CENTCOM Region. It also takes time to spin up crews and troops to know the threat there. We do not want to be sending in a single B-2 alone without any American cover, or support. Sure, the Israelis could assist, but we still need to d some things ourselves.
"Within two weeks" sounds about right to get a couple wings of fighters and bombers there plus another Carrier Group.
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https://tinyurl.com/4babcuzc

30 hours... from Whiteman AFB and back. Target Fordow. Plenty of tankers. In, and out.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 19, 2025 05:22 PM (Q4IgG)

55 US Trump: I will not move my army without onions. Until then it's McD's and diet Cokes for everyone.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at June 19, 2025 05:22 PM (NXz8h)

56 >>>I’ve seen polling that says it ain’t quite the minority you say it is.

i saw polling that 58% of Republicans support bombing the nuke sites and this actually goes up to 65% when you restrict it to "MAGA Republicans."

I would say that, like Ron Paul himself, the Paulite wing has a greater presence on the internet than in real life.

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:22 PM (KRtlO)

57 ust have Luke in an X-Wing drop a charge down an exhaust port. Been done before
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 19, 2025 05:21 PM (U/Wlk)

Did you know he used to bullseye Walmarts on his T16 back home?
Posted by: BruceWayne at June 19, 2025 05:22 PM (MGB5H

Wamprats! Gd autocucmber.

Posted by: BruceWayne at June 19, 2025 05:22 PM (MGB5H)

58 Trump will do what ever his daddy Bebe tells him to do.

wait, I thought Elon Musk was secretly president

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2025 05:23 PM (e7kz6)

59 Feeling cute. Might bomb Iran later. IDK.

Posted by: Donald J. Trump at June 19, 2025 05:23 PM (LP2cd)

60 or a few thousands of fuel oil and a match would be better.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 19, 2025 05:21 PM (/lPRQ)

Heh

Bomb them with their own dirty. Poetic.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 19, 2025 05:23 PM (BjH5D)

61 #twoweeks LOL

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 19, 2025 05:23 PM (/U5Yz)

62 49 Just have Luke in an X-Wing drop a charge down an exhaust port. Been done before

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 19, 2025 05:21 PM

Stay on target.....stay on target.

Posted by: Red Leader at June 19, 2025 05:24 PM (IifOV)

63 @62 the autocorrect gave me a chuckle

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 19, 2025 05:24 PM (U/Wlk)

64 >>>In all honestly ... Trump should talk less. Make less promises. Generally shut the fuck up.

I guess that I, a True Trump Supporter unlike these other MAGA Tourists and Gadabouts, support the President making all the promises he likes.

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:24 PM (KRtlO)

65 47 Trump is the absolute master of “maybe I’ll do this, maybe I’ll do that”… the mullahs have to be sweating LoL

I think Trump even said something the other day the essential substance of which was: nobody knows what I’ll do

Like Maverick in the original Top Gun: flies by the seat of his pants, completely unpredictable. There’s a genius to it
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at Ju

I don't know where I heard or read this or if it's even true but I heard Russia or maybe the mullahs were afraid of Reagan because they thought him mad enough to drop nukes on them. I hope our enemies are unsure of Trump's next move and never get another peaceful nights sleep.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 19, 2025 05:24 PM (eB71+)

66 Release the Rods From God.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 19, 2025 05:24 PM (/U5Yz)

67 I think there’s another reason for a 2 week delay: if Israel can’t finish off these camel jockey goatfuckers by then, then the ‘quagmire’ crowd — many in these comments — has a stronger argument that American intervention will in fact lead to a … quagmire.

I don’t think Trump jumps and commits America to the war effort after almost a month of Israel failing to finish the job. I think this is Trump basically saying “the Nefarious Hebrews got this, but if they don’t, then so be it.”

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at June 19, 2025 05:24 PM (5cl3b)

68 Did you know he used to bullseye Walmarts on his T16 back home?

"Whats a bull?"
--resident of Tatooine

I gotta say though, a lot easier to hit a WalMart than a Womprat

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2025 05:24 PM (e7kz6)

69 30 hours... from Whiteman AFB and back. Target Fordow. Plenty of tankers. In, and out.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 19, 2025 05:22 PM (Q4IgG)

Well, to be fair, I did say 24 hours OR SO...

:-)

Posted by: Diogenes at June 19, 2025 05:24 PM (W/lyH)

70 Did you know he used to bullseye Walmarts on his T16 back home?
Posted by: BruceWayne at June 19, 2025 05:22 PM (MGB5H

Maybe we should send Luke to the eye doctor before this mission. They have those in walmart.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 19, 2025 05:25 PM (zZu0s)

71 Y'all don't appreciate what it takes to be a heavy penetrator.

Posted by: Stacey's Suitor at June 19, 2025 05:25 PM (0sNs1)

72 Walmarts works too.

Posted by: eleven at June 19, 2025 05:25 PM (fV+MH)

73 i finally got to play the More MAGA Than Thou card.

It's so richly satisfying. I can see why you guys do this literally all of the time.

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:25 PM (KRtlO)

74 Obama’s mistake…

This one goes back to Carter!

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 19, 2025 05:25 PM (qgNn3)

75 I like two weeks to destroy the nukes MUCH better than two weeks to stop the spread

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 19, 2025 05:25 PM (/iXAp)

76 Feeling cute. Might bomb Iran later. IDK.
Posted by: Donald J. Trump at June 19, 2025 05:23 PMWalmart.

I laughed way too hard at this.

*golfclap*

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 19, 2025 05:26 PM (zZu0s)

77 I gotta say though, a lot easier to hit a WalMart than a Womprat
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2025 05:24 PM (e7kz6)

Can I get closer?

Posted by: Typical Stormtrooper at June 19, 2025 05:26 PM (W/lyH)

78 Commandos sounds like a suicide mission to me. The site is well guarded, and as soon as the guards were attacked the entire IRGC would be heading for the site as fast as they could get there.

It would take a really brilliant and audacious plan to be able to insert a team, neutralize the site's defenses, set the explosives, and get them out alive afterward before Iran's cavalry arrives. Then again, it wouldn't be the first time Israeli ingenuity and audacity has surprised me.

Posted by: Alex at June 19, 2025 05:26 PM (EcUen)

79 We could have some real fireworks for July 4!

Posted by: toddg at June 19, 2025 05:26 PM (aGKc9)

80
I'd love to play a game of RISK with Trump. He'd be using the hell out of Kamchatka

Posted by: Frank Barone at June 19, 2025 05:26 PM (IifOV)

81 Hah.

Now Querulous Asshole is telling Trump to shut the fuck up.

That's rich.

Posted by: eleven at June 19, 2025 05:26 PM (fV+MH)

82 Two-week delay to school IDF Crews to be able fly and drop/ push this puppy out the back of a C-130 ???

Posted by: Mike Hunt at June 19, 2025 05:27 PM (aKoaI)

83 72 Release the Rods From God.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 19, 2025 05:24 PM (/U5Yz)

Well... Elon and the Prezzy are apparently talking agin... sooooo

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2025 05:27 PM (mP0Kj)

84 I fear an op where China is lying in wait to shoot down a B-2 and then harvest the wreckage for intel.

Think about it -- China could be sending Iran their best defense but only for use to shoot down a B-2. Win for Iran and China. Easy to do and big payoff. If they can actually shoot one down, that is.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 19, 2025 05:28 PM (NsZyV)

85 It's so richly satisfying. I can see why you guys do this literally all of the time.
Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:25 PM (KRtlO)

Your dick feels longer, don't it?

Posted by: Sam Elliott, if he was a Trump guy at June 19, 2025 05:28 PM (zZu0s)

86 wait but we don't actually have Rods from God, do we?

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:28 PM (KRtlO)

87 >> (except the people who demand he affirmatively join Iran's cause and save them from the wrath of our allies in Israel, like Tucker Carlson)

people ... like Tucker Carlson

I don't know. "People" seems a bit generous.

Posted by: m at June 19, 2025 05:28 PM (CQE5S)

88 Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:22 PM (KRtlO)

Fair. Won’t dispute what you’ve seen, and maybe you’re right about the online presence but I still maintain that Israel is free to do what they want to, we should stay away and out of it.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 19, 2025 05:28 PM (eZwyX)

89 Commandos sounds like a suicide mission to me. The site is well guarded, and as soon as the guards were attacked the entire IRGC would be heading for the site as fast as they could get there.

It would take a really brilliant and audacious plan to be able to insert a team, neutralize the site's defenses, set the explosives, and get them out alive afterward before Iran's cavalry arrives. Then again, it wouldn't be the first time Israeli ingenuity and audacity has surprised me.

Posted by: Alex at June 19, 2025 05:26 PM

Hey it works in the movies!

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 19, 2025 05:28 PM (e5NfL)

90 I mean hell, by now half the guards at Fordow are probably Mossad plants and the other half are just there for a paycheck.

Have the fuckers throw the main breaker and lock up on their way out.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 19, 2025 05:28 PM (BjH5D)

91 Then again, it wouldn't be the first time Israeli ingenuity and audacity has surprised me.
Posted by: Alex at June 19, 2025 05:26 PM (EcUen)

The Raid on Entebbe… didn’t Bibi have a brother involved with that who was quite a heroic soldier? I remember watching that movie as a kid with my parents and being very impressed

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 19, 2025 05:29 PM (/iXAp)

92 disappointment and bomb damage. Mostly bomb damage.

So you've seen the Middle East. And Israel.

Neither are compatible with me.
Posted by: Mike Armstrong
==
Ha ha. Mike, if I'm being honest, and I always am, your appeal is, well, selective.

Posted by: Duke Nuke em at June 19, 2025 05:29 PM (OlHNa)

93 Orrrrrrr..... we don't risk any lives and do a Rod From God.

Bonus points if an Israeli flag and an American flag pop out the top when it lands.

Posted by: pookysgirl wonders about the seismic impact at June 19, 2025 05:29 PM (Wt5PA)

94 At least half the posters here will be calling Trump an evil warmonger if he goes through with it. The AoS isolationists/Code Pink/America Last crowd is probably already enraged.

Posted by: Cow Demon at June 19, 2025 05:29 PM (4IClK)

95 Get ready for a surprise!

Posted by: Fat Lady at Mars Customs at June 19, 2025 05:29 PM (nKrQD)

96 "Rods from God" refers to a weapon system, which I think is hypothetical, of putting heavy tungsten rods into space and just dropping them from orbit. There's no explosive; the idea is just to rely on the massive kinetic energy of a heavy metal rod falling all the way from orbit to the earth.

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:29 PM (KRtlO)

97 US Trump: I propose to fight it out on this line if it takes all summer beginning two weeks from now. Until then Trump watches and guitars are 20% off, while supplies last.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at June 19, 2025 05:29 PM (NXz8h)

98
The Raid on Entebbe… didn’t Bibi have a brother involved with that who was quite a heroic soldier? I remember watching that movie as a kid with my parents and being very impressed
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 19, 2025 05:29 PM (/iXAp)

His brother was an LT, killed in the op.

Posted by: Cow Demon at June 19, 2025 05:30 PM (4IClK)

99 >>> I never, ever signed your pledge to literally never attack an enemy, and neither did Trump. He has repeatedly vowed he will not allow Iran to get a nuke. Should he abandon that promise?

You're assuming an awful lot about people who aren't quite ready to rush headlong into yet another war in the Middle East.

What's the plan? What's the end game? Just kick over another government and let the rest of the region sort out the mess? You think that's not going to result in yet another flood of refugees washing up on our shores? And what regime is going to replace that power vacuum? I'm sure the nice western-democracy-loving locals will take care of it all. No worries.

Have we learned nothing from the last 25 years?

Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at June 19, 2025 05:30 PM (ERYKL)

100
I don't know where I heard or read this or if it's even true but I heard Russia or maybe the mullahs were afraid of Reagan because they thought him mad enough to drop nukes on them. I hope our enemies are unsure of Trump's next move and never get another peaceful nights sleep.
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 19, 2025 05:24 PM (eB71+)

Yep. After the '80 election, the KGB started a huge effort (Operation RYAN) to figure out if Reagan really was crazy enough to initiate a first-strike on the USSR. Basically, with their effort to fuck around with the election and scare the US electorate, they in fact, scared the shit out of themselves with their own rhetoric.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 19, 2025 05:30 PM (y9nCu)

101 I would like to see the thing finished sooner; but have to admit there's no deadline right now, since Israel does have the matter well in hand.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2025 05:30 PM (uWKK8)

102 BruceWayne -

Walmarts, wamprats, what’s the difference?!

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 19, 2025 05:31 PM (qgNn3)

103 I do not know how we could have gotten titanium rods 10 meters long into space in vehicles without 10 meters of storage space. But maybe they figured out a way when I wasn't looking. I don't watch the news much these days

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2025 05:31 PM (e7kz6)

104
91 I fear an op where China is lying in wait to shoot down a B-2 and then harvest the wreckage for intel.

Think about it -- China could be sending Iran their best defense but only for use to shoot down a B-2. Win for Iran and China. Easy to do and big payoff. If they can actually shoot one down, that is.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 19, 2025 05:28

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Three cargo jets from China arrived in Iran yesterday.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 19, 2025 05:31 PM (g3j/k)

105 >>>Fair. Won’t dispute what you’ve seen, and maybe you’re right about the online presence but I still maintain that Israel is free to do what they want to, we should stay away and out of it.

Okay, I would like that to happen, but if Israel can't finish the job, do we just leave the weapons-grade uranium there for Iran to put into bombs? Or to give to their terrorist proxies?

That sounds like a very bad idea and it seems more likely to actually bring about WW3 then sending a couple of B-2 bombers to blow up a mountain nuke center.

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:31 PM (KRtlO)

106 I bet 10 quatloos that Mossad will take out the facility on the ground.....

Any Takers...........

Posted by: Mike Hunt at June 19, 2025 05:31 PM (aKoaI)

107 BTW... that theoretical B-2 mission I posted can be gamed out. The software displayed is a RTS simulation.

You can build, and run, any probable scenario with it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 19, 2025 05:32 PM (Q4IgG)

108 >>>@PressSec shares a message from President Trump: "Based on the fact that there's a substantial chance of negotiations that may or may not take place with Iran in the near future, I will make my decision whether or not to go within the next two weeks."

I mean, fine, as long as we all understand that one minute from now is "within the next two weeks."

Posted by: m at June 19, 2025 05:32 PM (CQE5S)

109
I'm wondering if Trump is seeing some intel showing both China and Russia sending some stuff into Iran. Chatter about Planes leaving China, getting near Iran and their transponders shut off.

Posted by: Frank Barone at June 19, 2025 05:32 PM (IifOV)

110 I do not know how we could have gotten titanium rods 10 meters long into space in vehicles without 10 meters of storage space. But maybe they figured out a way when I wasn't looking. I don't watch the news much these days
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

I think a lot of tech is the result of pushing for the ridiculous and finding something else that works just as well if not only more efficiently.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 19, 2025 05:32 PM (mlg/3)

111 I never, ever signed your pledge to literally never attack an enemy, and neither did Trump. He has repeatedly vowed he will not allow Iran to get a nuke. Should he abandon that promise?

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You're assuming an awful lot about people who aren't quite ready to rush headlong into yet another war in the Middle East.

I dunno I see an awful lot of daylight between this false equivocation.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2025 05:32 PM (e7kz6)

112 Tungsten, also known as Wulfram.

Posted by: George Costanza, with a brain working at 100% after giving up sex at June 19, 2025 05:33 PM (KRtlO)

113 Just do the thing, deny deny deny.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 19, 2025 05:33 PM (0e/QT)

114 111 I do not know how we could have gotten titanium rods 10 meters long into space in vehicles without 10 meters of storage space. But maybe they figured out a way when I wasn't looking. I don't watch the news much these days
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

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AFAIK, this was only a theoretical workaround to treaties that forbade active weapons in space. Somehow. Power of a nuke without putting a nuke into space.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 19, 2025 05:34 PM (NsZyV)

115
That sounds like a very bad idea and it seems more likely to actually bring about WW3 then sending a couple of B-2 bombers to blow up a mountain nuke center.
Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:31 PM (KRtlO)

TBF everyone has been shrieking about the one event that will trigger WWIII for years now.

I lived through the 1980s. Wake me when it happens.

Posted by: Cow Demon at June 19, 2025 05:34 PM (4IClK)

116 Can the air force take out the air defense?

Look at what they have done in just a week.

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at June 19, 2025 05:34 PM (D1vbu)

117 @104 Ace, yup it was originally named a Nemesis Platform. The rods which were fired were basically just a mass driver. Like firing big meteors from space with good targeting

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 19, 2025 05:34 PM (U/Wlk)

118 You're assuming an awful lot about people who aren't quite ready to rush headlong into yet another war in the Middle East.

I'd have those reservations if that was happening. I don't see any evidence it is or is likely to.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 19, 2025 05:34 PM (guCHD)

119
The Raid on Entebbe… didn’t Bibi have a brother involved with that who was quite a heroic soldier? I remember watching that movie as a kid with my parents and being very impressed
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at June 19, 2025 05:29 PM (/iXAp)

His brother was an LT, killed in the op.
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 19, 2025 05:30 PM (4IClK)

He was the assault force commander, and the only Israeli KIA, if memory serves.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 19, 2025 05:34 PM (y9nCu)

120 93 wait but we don't actually have Rods from God, do we?
Posted by: ace

I think we do. Top Secret though.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 19, 2025 05:35 PM (/U5Yz)

121 Its useful to remember that nearly everything Trump does is in terms of negotiation toward a desired end. This is what the TACO guys don't get: he doesn't care if you think he gave up or not, in fact he's kinda counting on it. He cares if he gets the goal. If he gets the win, its a win no matter what you said in the meantime.

So setting an ultimatum, demanding surrender, then being open to more negotiation, its all about the deal.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2025 05:35 PM (e7kz6)

122 i saw polling that 58% of Republicans support bombing the nuke sites and this actually goes up to 65% when you restrict it to "MAGA Republicans."

I would say that, like Ron Paul himself, the Paulite wing has a greater presence on the internet than in real life.
Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:22 PM (KRtlO)

The Turning Point guy had a twitter poll, and DDayCobra had a poll during his who with pretty similar 10% for- 90% against results.

Neither of those polling methods would withstand any kind of scrutiny, but there is a reason people who want to believe have a reason to believe their position is widespread.

Posted by: Methos at June 19, 2025 05:35 PM (Dnobf)

123 111 I do not know how we could have gotten titanium rods 10 meters long into space in vehicles without 10 meters of storage space. But maybe they figured out a way when I wasn't looking. I don't watch the news much these days
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2025 05:31 PM (e7kz6)

Musks Starship, like the one that blew up this week... has a 150 TON lift capacity.

Thats a lot of rods...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2025 05:35 PM (mP0Kj)

124 If Fordow is truly the only site Iran has squirreled away under the ground, I can see the wisdom of taking it out. If there's a chance there are others and we miss them, the whole deal is suddenly less appealing.

Posted by: 496 at June 19, 2025 05:35 PM (9C6BN)

125 We are already at war with Iran - have been for 47 years.

What exactly changes if we bomb the reactor? A sliver of republicans go apoplectic. I can live with that.

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at June 19, 2025 05:35 PM (D1vbu)

126 AFAIK, this was only a theoretical workaround to treaties that forbade active weapons in space. Somehow. Power of a nuke without putting a nuke into space.

Dude, they blew up London GI Joe with one!!!1!1!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2025 05:36 PM (e7kz6)

127 Is it too late to donate to the Iran Humanitarian Fund?

Posted by: George Costanza at June 19, 2025 05:36 PM (R/m4+)

128 Posted by: Frank Barone at June 19, 2025 05:32 PM (IifOV)

Obviously, he’s privy to a lot more intel than the rest of us, including Legacy and New Media chattering classes. And has made his #TwoWeeks pronouncement accordingly.

I trust OrangeMan instincts, but still praying fervently about this situation.

Posted by: kallisto at June 19, 2025 05:36 PM (UC5Sf)

129 There have been orbital meteor guns sinne the 70s.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 19, 2025 05:36 PM (0e/QT)

130 "Trump doesn't want to alienate the minority of his base that has gone full Code Pink, so"

wouldn't he be wiser to say "Trump doesn't want to alienate the minority of his base that has gone full nazi Jew hater , to show the anti semitism and anti zionism they have secretly embraced despite pretending to support Israel since the 80s"?

Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 05:36 PM (svh/L)

131 The most interesting video I've seen regarding this issue is one from two days ago showing KURDISH troops somewhere in northwest Iran basically seizing control of some small town. Locals didn't seem to mind -- possibly they are ethnically Kurdish too.

Something has to ignite the fuse to start the Iranian counter-revolution. Maybe the Kurds taking this opportunity to create a home base for their long-hoped-for Greater Kurdistan by carving it out of Iran, and using it as the starting point for perhaps later annexation of other Kurdish areas. This would piss off the iranian govt. so much that a shooting war would break out, and then the rest of the country would basically go nuts and overthrow the regime.

It's a thought.

Posted by: zombie at June 19, 2025 05:36 PM (pMi6S)

132 so one tic I see the Paulites doing is claiming that all of the bad things will happen if we take any action at all (or simply do not force Israel to stop attacking Iran), and they never once admit that any bad outcomes could EVER flow from their choice to leave a crazed apocalyptic regime, which has repeatedly murdered americans and even sent a hit squad in to kill Trump, have nuclear weapons.

We always hear that if the regime collapses there'll be refugees -- who cares, Trump won't let them in -- but it's never acknowledged that Iran will use the nukes the moment it has them.

They just claim that's a propagana lie from the Zionists and that Iran is really just misunderstood.

Iran has made itself perfectly clear. It's not misunderstood.

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:36 PM (KRtlO)

133 Musks Starship, like the one that blew up this week... has a 150 TON lift capacity.

Yeah but the cargo capacity is significantly under 10 meters in length. Its a matter of fitting it into the rocket, not the lift.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2025 05:36 PM (e7kz6)

134 51: "Of course IF Israel does have air superiority they 'could' drop some commandos in at the bunker(s) and drop some irritants down the ir shafts"

IDF may be ordering 2 tons of itching powder from gagworks.com soon ...

Posted by: Alex at June 19, 2025 05:37 PM (EcUen)

135 Power of a nuke without putting a nuke into space.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 19, 2025 05:34 PM (NsZyV)

Better, no Fallout.

But VaultTek was against the project!

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2025 05:37 PM (mP0Kj)

136 Posted by: Cow Demon at June 19, 2025 05:29 PM (4IClK)

Nothing like dog shit ad hominem attacks.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 19, 2025 05:37 PM (eZwyX)

137 I have a better idea -C130 fly near the border, and at 25,000 feet drops a drone swam. The swarm flies to the bunker and starts systematically hitting ever door and ventilation shaft. Eventually they get in and the place is toast.

20 feet underground - don't need to destroy it, you need to bury it.

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at June 19, 2025 05:38 PM (D1vbu)

138 Trump should keep the US out of this, it would basically be Iraq 2.0. Same justifications and everything. WMD's

Just get out of Israels way and let them deal with it.

Posted by: Eldo at June 19, 2025 05:38 PM (kRhM/)

139 Something has to ignite the fuse to start the Iranian counter-revolution.

As far as we know, its already started, there's virtually no news or info coming out of Iran right now. I would like to beleive it has, but probably not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2025 05:38 PM (e7kz6)

140 Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at June 19, 2025 05:30 PM (ERYKL)

A lot of people just hand wave this concern away. I wouldn’t expect an answer.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 19, 2025 05:38 PM (eZwyX)

141 he Kurds taking this opportunity to create a home base for their long-hoped-for Greater Kurdistan by carving it out of Iran, and using it as the starting point for perhaps later annexation of other Kurdish areas. This would piss off the iranian govt. so much that a shooting war would break out, and then the rest of the country would basically go nuts and overthrow the regime.

It's a thought.
Posted by: zombie

it is the aytollahs that were the revolutionaries, iranians want these guys.

Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 05:38 PM (svh/L)

142 bet 10 quatloos that Mossad will take out the facility on the ground.....
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And now they have two weeks where their enemy will be trying to do something else, with a command staff of newbies. If the they go they will need 3 days to get in and out. So they will need 24 7 air superiority and tank busters on hot standby and anti artillery... its logistically a tough nut to Crack. They will have fight in, cut their way in and probably drive a couple of truckfulls of explosive in. Probably several gates. Lot of cutting. Maybe blast doors. May not be doable. Need an area denial capability. Drop mines, or bio weapon, or radiation all round. Salting the earth if you will. Probably not doable. If rods from God exist would be useful. Standby for earthquake.....

Posted by: Duke Nuke em at June 19, 2025 05:39 PM (OlHNa)

143 Why can't we sell the IDF a B2 with a complimentary bomb or two? Or just let them fly it?

Posted by: Accomack at June 19, 2025 05:39 PM (WWhXE)

144
they could airdrop in commandos armed with huge amounts of explosives to physically carry them into Fodrow and set the charges on the walls of the place. It's a man-made cave under a mountain; with enough explosives and some smart engineering, it can be collapsed.

The nukes of Navarone.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2025 05:39 PM (63Dwl)

145 Yeah but the cargo capacity is significantly under 10 meters in length. Its a matter of fitting it into the rocket, not the lift.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2025 05:36 PM (e7kz6)

TWSS

Posted by: BruceWayne at June 19, 2025 05:39 PM (MGB5H)

146 I'm surprised that the Israelis never acquired a heavy bomber. That's the one gap in the impressive history of the IAF.

Posted by: Josephistan at June 19, 2025 05:39 PM (GM3CZ)

147 104 "Rods from God" refers to a weapon system, which I think is hypothetical, of putting heavy tungsten rods into space and just dropping them from orbit. There's no explosive; the idea is just to rely on the massive kinetic energy of a heavy metal rod falling all the way from orbit to the earth.

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:29 PM (KRtlO)
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Rather than 'rods' these are about the size of telegraph poles. I'm not sure what the terminal velocity would be. Huge.

Posted by: Ciampino - must explode at June 19, 2025 05:39 PM (sPQoU)

148 Death to America seemed like a promise to me. Soooo....what's the actual problem here? Tucker Carlson might object?

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at June 19, 2025 05:40 PM (D1vbu)

149
Trump should tell Iran to ask Japan whether America would ever do this sort of thing.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 19, 2025 05:40 PM (HuRzZ)

150 I believe the rods were transported in the Shuttle sometime in the early 2000's. I bet disguised as a CIA satellite.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 19, 2025 05:40 PM (/U5Yz)

151 Getting old sucks - can't remember shit ...

Did I vote for Trump because he said he was going to follow the Obama/Rat-Face policy of supporting Iran's nuk weapons program and promises to wipe out the Lesser Satan, or did I vote for Trump because he promised to finish what Reagan did not which was to wipe out the regime that constantly threatens the Great Satan???

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 19, 2025 05:40 PM (/lPRQ)

152
#2 weeks

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 19, 2025 05:41 PM (M78y+)

153 >>>Why can't we sell the IDF a B2 with a complimentary bomb or two? Or just let them fly it?

well it's one of our technological crown jewels. We would never give the B-2 to anyone, I don't think.

Plus, they're really hard to fly because they don't have the control surfaces that most planes do.

We could give them some B-52s, I guess. We must have some of those still in operation.

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:41 PM (KRtlO)

154 "Rods from God" refers to a weapon system, which I think is hypothetical, of putting heavy tungsten rods into space and just dropping them from orbit. There's no explosive; the idea is just to rely on the massive kinetic energy of a heavy metal rod falling all the way from orbit to the earth.

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:29 PM (KRtlO)
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Rather than 'rods' these are about the size of telegraph poles. I'm not sure what the terminal velocity would be. Huge.
Posted by: Ciampino

That is exactly it. Kinetic energy weapon, bordering on nuclear weapon power without the explosives.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 19, 2025 05:41 PM (WZaJc)

155 Ummm..."a chance that negotiations may or may not occur..."
I'd say that's a 100% chance that that will indeed occur.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at June 19, 2025 05:41 PM (XMwZJ)

156 TBF everyone has been shrieking about the one event that will trigger WWIII for years now.

I lived through the 1980s. Wake me when it happens.
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It would help if people would agree what WW3 even means.

The two World Wars were 'world' wars due to the alliances involved. There's no defensive pact coming to Iran's aid.

WW3 is typically depicted as global nuclear holocaust, but you don't get there if the opponent doesn't have (a lot of) nukes yet.

Posted by: Methos at June 19, 2025 05:41 PM (Dnobf)

157 124: "TBF everyone has been shrieking about the one event that will trigger WWIII for years now."

WWIII would depend on other big powers like Russia and China stepping in.

Russia already has a war going on and I don't see a compelling interest for it to get involved.

China gets about 10% of its oil supply from Iran, which is significant, but is a temporary disruption in that supply significant enough for it to confront the US? Probably only if it thought that getting us mired in the middle east would make it easier to take Taiwan, and that it couldn't take Taiwan by less expensive means a few years down the road.

Posted by: Alex at June 19, 2025 05:41 PM (EcUen)

158 Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:31 PM (KRtlO)

Fair question. Now, let’s say Israel can’t finish the job but there’s clear as day, can’t be argued by anyone that Iran either has, or is extremely, close to a bomb. That changes my thinking, perhaps not entirely but I think there needs to be a serious discussion to find a way to remove them. Is that us? Is that a ME nation led coalition?

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 19, 2025 05:41 PM (eZwyX)

159 Sorry, we're out of Rods from God. Would you be interested in a few Dowels from Howell's?

Posted by: 496 at June 19, 2025 05:42 PM (9C6BN)

160 I would be willing to risk an Iran in a power vacuum vs another 40 years of them funding terrorism. A lot of the middle east problems are due specifically to this Iran regime.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 19, 2025 05:42 PM (rvwwT)

161 158 104 "Rods from God" refers to a weapon system, which I think is hypothetical, of putting heavy tungsten rods into space and just dropping them from orbit. There's no explosive; the idea is just to rely on the massive kinetic energy of a heavy metal rod falling all the way from orbit to the earth. Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05

Interesting fact - the C-130 option only might work. It could carry the bomb but would only drop it at 250 miles an hour. The B2 drops it at 500 miles per hour. That extra speed does a lot of damage - almost like a modified Rod from God.

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at June 19, 2025 05:42 PM (D1vbu)

162 Posted by: Mike Armstrong at June 19, 2025 05:36 PM (azzVP)

I don't dislike you, Mike. I think you're a bright, articulate man when you're actually having a reasonable conversation. and not here to let everyone know how much smarter you are then they are, and when you don't have to change handles. I don't know if that's to try to fool people or whether than because you're repeatedly banned. I also think the need to let everybody know how smart you are probably comes from a lot of people that you feel have let you down in life

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 19, 2025 05:42 PM (2GCMq)

163 If Israel actually does attempt a commando raid to blowup Fordow, it would either be the most epic military micro-strike in history, or be an epic disaster if things went haywire and they all got caught or captured. (Echoes of Carter's failed 1980 helicopter raid to rescue the hostages.) One has to assume that the Iranians have spent decades securing and protecting Fordow with their most intense security perimeter, and have backups plans for their backups plans. It would have to be one hell of a raid to succeed.

Posted by: zombie at June 19, 2025 05:42 PM (pMi6S)

164
He's listening to Steve Witkoff instead of Pete Hegseth.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 19, 2025 05:42 PM (M78y+)

165 B52s are getting upgrades and Rolls Royce Engines. They will be around longer than most of us.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 19, 2025 05:43 PM (0e/QT)

166 US Trump: It is better to out sit your opponents than to overpower them.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at June 19, 2025 05:43 PM (NXz8h)

167 I'm surprised that the Israelis never acquired a heavy bomber. That's the one gap in the impressive history of the IAF.

They don't exactly have the luxury of space, its the size of New Jersey or so, and filled with mountains and canyons

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2025 05:43 PM (e7kz6)

168 Air Traffic Control?? Not happening here, sorry.

Posted by: Syria ATC at June 19, 2025 05:43 PM (HIRLq)

169 Dudes working down in that bunker must be shitting their pants at every strange noise.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 19, 2025 05:43 PM (ITkJX)

170 >>>you always mock Tucker, calling him a chicken little for forever being afraid of nuclear war and ww3.
But yet here you are giving us your "Iran will blow us all up!" fairy tale.

Oh I'm sorry, Genius, I didn't know that you were the only ones allowed to play the "Buh My World War 3!" card.

I apologize, I wouldn't want to step on your toes by suggesting that a regime with an actual apocalyptic cult view that the 12th Mahdi can only appear when the west is bathed in fire could ever constitute any kind of threat if armed with nuclear-tipped missiles.

So you go on screaming "Muh World War 3!" every second and I'll just shut up.

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:43 PM (KRtlO)

171 Rather than 'rods' these are about the size of telegraph poles. I'
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The Paolo thinks that's adorable.

Posted by: The Paolo at June 19, 2025 05:43 PM (GM3CZ)

172 did I vote for Trump because he promised to finish what Reagan did not which was to wipe out the regime that constantly threatens the Great Satan???
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 19, 2025 05:40 PM (/lPRQ)

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He promised no such thing. He promised that Iran would never have a nuclear weapon.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 19, 2025 05:43 PM (2UnvF)

173 I told Mister Stupid "don't you dare take your eyes over those Gazans. See how they look at the Boss Man ? That's a problem".

I’m pretty sure that’s Rich “Psycho” Giamboni.

How was Jim Acosta?

Posted by: Kratwurst at June 19, 2025 05:43 PM (nIRE6)

174 Yeah but the cargo capacity is significantly under 10 meters in length. Its a matter of fitting it into the rocket, not the lift.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2025 05:36 PM (e7kz6)

Project Thor used 10 meter rods.
Next project used 20 foot rods... 6.1 Meters.

Musk Starship payload area is 9 Meters in diameter, 18 meters long.

So yeah... could be done.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2025 05:43 PM (mP0Kj)

175 Two more weeks of IDF wrecking Iranian SAM's, radars, and ballistic missile launchers will make a single B-2 with a MOP a walk in the park.

By then... it's unlikely Iran will have a functioning military.

Call the mission "Operation Helping a Friend" and be done with it.

Then go back and bomb every single site again.

For practice.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 19, 2025 05:43 PM (Q4IgG)

176 Mass drivers.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2025 05:44 PM (63Dwl)

177 Israel has not the capability or capacity to put buts into fordow and get those guys back out

Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 05:44 PM (svh/L)

178 they could airdrop in commandos armed with huge amounts of explosives to physically carry them into Fodrow and set the charges on the walls of the place. It's a man-made cave under a mountain; with enough explosives and some smart engineering, it can be collapsed.

The nukes of Navarone.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

Fly drones in carrying canisters of radioactive material. Area denial weapon. Explode the canisters inside the mountain, and deny anybody access for 5000 years.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 19, 2025 05:44 PM (WZaJc)

179 Militaries that buy weapons expect a demonstration. We could demonstrate how the B2 and MOP must work together by dropping a couple of MOPs over Fordow so the Israelis could decide whether or not they should buy the whole set.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin at June 19, 2025 05:45 PM (2XtqA)

180 TBF everyone has been shrieking about the one event that will trigger WWIII for years now.

I lived through the 1980s. Wake me when it happens.

Yeah I feel like the guy in Ballad of Buster Scruggs, up at the scaffold. "your first time?" I lived through this hard as a teenager, you don't scare me with WW3 panics every time something happens in the middle east.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2025 05:45 PM (e7kz6)

181 The President cannot shut up, so he does the next best thing, promises to do and do not at the same time and always twirling twirling twirling towards Freedom.

Confusion to the Weird Beards!

Posted by: toby928 at June 19, 2025 05:45 PM (OXYBr)

182 The bloom is off the rose.

The Hill@thehill
Michelle Obama on being "glad" she didn’t have a son: "He would’ve been a Barack Obama"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 19, 2025 05:45 PM (L/fGl)

183 In the 1960s the USAF had satellites the size of box cars in LEO taking telescopic photos of everything below them. The Hubble Space Telescope was basically the same thing with the telescope turned to look out rather than in. One difference was the Hubble sent back its images electronically but the Air Force spy satellites sent back film that was retrieved by the USAF in mid-air. Now my point is, these satellites, at least in the 1960s, were theoretical, people knew we could be doing something like that, but unless you had a “need to know” about them, you didn’t know they existed. Could there be “Rods from God” in orbit right now? We don’t know. And unless you have a “need to know” you don’t know. If we got them, we don’t necessarily want to use them, and thus announce their existence, at the present time. YMMV.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 19, 2025 05:45 PM (qgNn3)

184 >>> If Israel actually does attempt a commando raid to blowup Fordow, it would either be the most epic military micro-strike in history, or be an epic disaster if things went haywire and they all got caught or captured. (Echoes of Carter's failed 1980 helicopter raid to rescue the hostages.)

yeah, but having almost complete air supremacy can help ground troops out of a lot of jams.

have you seen the drone warfare vids in Ukraine? They drop bombs right through the sun-roofs of cars. Israel would have a fleet of drones protecting their troops, plus conventional fighter-bombers overflying them.

Not saying that the disaster you're talking about coudn't happen. It could. But... it's doable.

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:45 PM (KRtlO)

185
I'm surprised that the Israelis never acquired a heavy bomber. That's the one gap in the impressive history of the IAF.
Posted by: Josephistan at June 19, 2025 05:39 PM (GM3CZ)

El Al has a bunch of Boeing 777 and 787 aircraft. I wouldn't be surprised if someone had thought about converting a couple into pseudo-heavy bombers and kept them in the maintenance hangers. Repainting them in military livery and transferring them to the IDF would be a day or two of work...

Implausible, but not impossible.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 19, 2025 05:47 PM (y9nCu)

186 everyone has been shrieking about the one event that will trigger WWIII for years now.

I lived through the 1980s. Wake me when it happens.
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It would help if people would agree what WW3 even means.

----

Some historians argue that the French Revolutionary/Napoleonic wars, or even the earlier Seven Years War would count as the first World Wars, as they involved nearly every major power and were fought across the globe.

Posted by: Josephistan at June 19, 2025 05:47 PM (GM3CZ)

187 187 Mass drivers.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2025 05:44 PM (63Dwl)

You only use Mass Drivers against Barbarians...

Like the Narn, or Iranians...

Posted by: LLando Milari... at June 19, 2025 05:47 PM (mP0Kj)

188 Americans have a tough time believing raving fanatics are being honest when they say "death to America". They've wanted the great Satan and little Satan gone since 1979 . Take out the crap that threats us and let the Persian people handle the rest.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 19, 2025 05:47 PM (U/Wlk)

189 I chose not to see Qurelous Asshole and Mewling Quim open for the Butthole Surfers in sputh central Teheran.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at June 19, 2025 05:47 PM (sRoQh)

190 I've said it before, but...
We, The US of A are an aggrieved party. Those A holes have kidnapped our people, killed our Marines, and financed terrorists who then kill us.
In my mind, it has nothing to do with Israel... we have every right, and may I say obligation (?) to take those nuke sites out ourselves.
Hell, the entire world is an aggrieved party. No one will miss the Mullahs, except the terrorist groups who have been fed by them.

Posted by: MkY at June 19, 2025 05:47 PM (cPGH3)

191 146 Posted by: Cow Demon at June 19, 2025 05:29 PM (4IClK)
Nothing like dog shit ad hominem attacks.

For real. So tired of this kind of bullcrap from both sides. Four years ago, it was the fear-blinded vaccine zealots who wanted to jail all of us who distrusted an untested drug. Now, we've got people on the right like Ace who lump anybody who's not hellbent on another war in the Middle East in with the lunatic Code Pink crowd.

Can't we at a minimum acknowledge that some people are actually still tired of war? I know we all were not that long ago. I'm nowhere near being a peace-at-all-costs dope-smoking beatnik, but because I even DARE to question a war, I'm called Code Pink.

You can do better than this, Ace.

Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at June 19, 2025 05:47 PM (ERYKL)

192 First, the Iranian regime could actually agree to "UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER," at least as far as their nuke programs.

------------

"Give up your nukes, and we'll sodomize and murder your ass."

-- Killary on Libya

Posted by: ShainS -- Busy Organizing 'Make Trump King' Protests at June 19, 2025 05:48 PM (nXhai)

193 Easy answer - C130. The bomb is modified to have a rocket pack on the tail, accelerating it past 500 mph before impact.
Bomb is 30,000 lbs. But the C130 can carry 44,000 pounds. So, rocket pack is no problem. You are also pushing it down with gravity. And the bomb is signed to go very fast.

Getting in and out - you have two weeks of air defense suppression. I don't think they have much left, and if they do, it's all clustered around the remains of the leadership.

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at June 19, 2025 05:48 PM (D1vbu)

194 Is it possible that Trump is waiting for Israel to create complete air superiority? One article says they do and the next says they've taken out another air defense site.

I think they have relative air superiority but not complete.
Possibly we are waiting for complete which would enable the B-2s to come in, unhindered, and make a perfect hit.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 19, 2025 05:48 PM (M78y+)

195
Musk Starship payload area is 9 Meters in diameter, 18 meters long.

The Paolo says be better....

Posted by: The Paolo at June 19, 2025 05:48 PM (HIRLq)

196 yeah, but having almost complete air supremacy can help ground troops out of a lot of jams.

have you seen the drone warfare vids in Ukraine? They drop bombs right through the sun-roofs of cars. Israel would have a fleet of drones protecting their troops, plus conventional fighter-bombers overflying them.

Not saying that the disaster you're talking about coudn't happen. It could. But... it's doable.
Posted by: ace

this is supposed to be a smart military blog ffs

Israel does not have anything approaching air superiority over iran, they have the ability to establish temporary air superiority over bits of iran, theres no way they could maintain air superiority over fordow for hours or days because of the distances involved

Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 05:48 PM (svh/L)

197 "The Hill@thehill
Michelle Obama on being "glad" she didn’t have a son: "He would’ve been a Barack Obama"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks"

NO MORE HALOS FOR YOU!!!

Posted by: HALO NAZI at June 19, 2025 05:48 PM (fV+MH)

198 Then go back and bomb every single site again.

For practice.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 19, 2025 05:43 PM (Q4IgG)

Operation Double Tap.

Posted by: davidt at June 19, 2025 05:49 PM (i0F8b)

199 Some historians argue that the French Revolutionary/Napoleonic wars, or even the earlier Seven Years War would count as the first World Wars, as they involved nearly every major power and were fought across the globe.

Yeah I definitely believe that the Napoleonic Wars were the first world war. It was on nearly every continent and involved almost every major power in the world -- all the most powerful -- and years of bloody hard fighting.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2025 05:49 PM (e7kz6)

200 I suppose Trump could scare with saying "everybody stay away from Fordow next Tuesday and evacuate very far away" and then let the Israeli commandos go in.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 19, 2025 05:49 PM (rvwwT)

201 Maybe they can position the rod diagonally or assemble it.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 19, 2025 05:50 PM (0e/QT)

202 The Israelis are geniuses when it comes to adapting weapons systems. I think if the Israelis wish to, they could figure out how to drop a MOP out of a C-130.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 19, 2025 05:50 PM (tT6L1)

203 I am thankful he shows discipline and his art of the deal skills vs bombs away! This also will drive the Iranian Moo-lahs barking mad and they will attack their goats, while heaping ashes on their prayer rug rash bumps (on their foreheads). I had to look it up, as my Arabic is rusty, but it is a zibahba. Similar to the moan of the religious with his favorite wife in the thralls of ecstacy. I am guessing this as I would not know. One leader in Iraq had one that caved in vs from a cannon ball.

Unlike John Bolton and Lady Lindsey, he is an intelligent man vs a hot headed moustache or a panty waisted poot head.

Read that the German PM was a-ok with Israel "doing the dirty work." Unsure about the rest of Europe and the UK ninnies. I hate everyone who stands by Iran vs Israel.

Victor David Hanson said, it is now or never (those were not his exact words). I don't watch his podcasts or anyone's. But I find him intelligent and measured and my husband listens to him so he must be ok.

Basically, I am tired of putting a bandage on a wound that will rise up with pus and nukes every 5-10yrs and make constant threats. Lance the wound and cauterize it. If this makes me a warhawk then too bad.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 19, 2025 05:50 PM (6PCLE)

204 Did our pet troll change his name, or is this his dumb cousin?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 19, 2025 05:50 PM (sRoQh)

205 #two weeks! So comical!

Posted by: runner at June 19, 2025 05:51 PM (nQcpu)

206 > Dropping a weapon weighing nearly 30,000 pounds out the back of a C-130 would certainly be something to behold.

The Navy has to have some old vessels that waiting to be scrapped, right?

Just load one of those suckers on a ship, run it aground on Kharg Island, and set it off.

True, that won't do anything to stop the nuke program directly, but it would definitely remove the walking-around money from the mullahs. I think essentially all of Iran's oil exports go through there.

Or I suppose we could just mine the shit out of the surrounding waters, in case we want to take over the oil terminal later, but that wouldn't be as immediately satisfying.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 19, 2025 05:51 PM (qpyNK)

207 The Israelis are geniuses when it comes to adapting weapons systems. I think if the Israelis wish to, they could figure out how to drop a MOP out of a C-130.
Posted by: b

if Israelis were geniuses at everything they would have bunkr busters

Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 05:51 PM (svh/L)

208 Dicks from the Devil >>> Rods from God

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at June 19, 2025 05:51 PM (5cl3b)

209 Full quote:
"He would’ve been a Barack Obama and fucked up everything he ever touched"

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 19, 2025 05:51 PM (rvwwT)

210 I saw Denucularization open for Double Trouble at Aerial Theater in '01.

Posted by: ShainS -- Busy Organizing 'Make Trump King' Protests at June 19, 2025 05:51 PM (nXhai)

211 We will not be free from the threat of Iran until the Ayatollahs and the mullahs and the Red Guard generals, colonels, and planners are dead. They are a cancer that will metastasize unless excised.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 19, 2025 05:51 PM (M78y+)

212 they could figure out how to drop a MOP out of a C-130.

"All this talk about dropping mops is making me nervous"
--Whoopi Goldberg

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2025 05:51 PM (e7kz6)

213 Did our pet troll change his name, or is this his dumb cousin?

This kind of topic tends to attract um, colorful sorts..

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2025 05:52 PM (e7kz6)

214 Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at June 19, 2025 05:47 PM (ERYKL)

I love ace. He has his reasons but anytime him and I have a back and forth about he’s been respectful. It’s why I keep coming back.

It’s the other people that just assume you’re an antisemite or some other shit that’s beyond tiresome.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 19, 2025 05:52 PM (eZwyX)

215 What's the plan? What's the end game? Just kick over another government and let the rest of the region sort out the mess?"

When the government is the Ayatollah's and they've been at war with us for 40 years then yeah - I think that's a fine plan. Whatever comes out of it cannot be as bad as what it is now - certainly not for us.

Look at Syria - sure the fall of the government is not so great for a lot of people there - well tuff titty, as they say. A completely neutralized and fractionated Syria who will be too weak to cause trouble for anyone outside their borders for a generation is actually wonderful for us. It'll be up to Iran if they want to go that route, or get their shit together and crawl back to a civilized lifestyle.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2025 05:53 PM (uWKK8)

216 So is now a good time to discuss how the oppressive Iranian regime came about soon after giving women the right to vote, to have abortions, to engage in politics, etc.?

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - The 19th Amendment is a civilization level sh*t test at June 19, 2025 05:53 PM (hv3vJ)

217 Did our pet troll change his name, or is this his dumb cousin?

This kind of topic tends to attract um, colorful sorts..
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 19, 2025 05:52 PM (e7kz6)

I hate Illinois Nazis.

Posted by: Jake Blues at June 19, 2025 05:54 PM (sRoQh)

218 Power of a nuke without putting a nuke into space.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 19, 2025 05:34 PM (NsZyV)

Better, no Fallout.

But VaultTek was against the project!
Posted by: Romeo13

I'd think the best use for these would be taking out large heavy surface targets like reactors or ships.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 19, 2025 05:54 PM (/lPRQ)

219 if Israelis were geniuses at everything they would have bunkr busters
Posted by: n a

Lol!

Posted by: runner at June 19, 2025 05:54 PM (nQcpu)

220 The Chinese reportedly have two electronic surveillance ships sitting in the Persian Gulf, which can be assumed to be pumping every bit of data they can gather to Iran.

Apparently, they have never heard of the USS Liberty.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 19, 2025 05:55 PM (SyvqI)

221
Basically, I am tired of putting a bandage on a wound that will rise up with pus and nukes every 5-10yrs and make constant threats. Lance the wound and cauterize it. If this makes me a warhawk then too bad.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat
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Amen

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 19, 2025 05:55 PM (M78y+)

222 Iran is not fundamentally a Muslim country. They became so when Jimmeh allowed the Aholes to dominate. Our brilliant IC planners, don't you know..

Posted by: MkY at June 19, 2025 05:55 PM (cPGH3)

223 Uh, boobs?

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Macho Business Donkey Wrestler at June 19, 2025 05:56 PM (0aYVJ)

224 Israel has the GBU-28 BBs, and maybe the new 74 ones. But not the big 15 ton one as they have no attack aircraft that can tote it.

Posted by: toby928 at June 19, 2025 05:56 PM (OXYBr)

225
Feel better now that you said the word? A non-ass spelunker would have just said "slave" and ended up with the same effect.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 19, 2025 05:56 PM (y9nCu)

226 f Israelis were geniuses at everything they would have bunkr busters
Posted by: n a

Lol!
Posted by: runner

is Israel did not have the ability to build bunkr busters, did not anticipate a need for bunkr busters how was there such an egregious oversight?

Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 05:56 PM (svh/L)

227 Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at June 19, 2025 05:30 PM (ERYKL)

A lot of people just hand wave this concern away. I wouldn’t expect an answer.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One

Drop shitloads of Elon's mini-starlink so they can use them for comm.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 19, 2025 05:56 PM (/lPRQ)

228 if Israelis were geniuses at everything they would have bunkr busters
Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 05:51 PM (svh/L)

not really, talking about that on X today. They don't have bunker busters because they don't have strategic bombers, the only craft outside of an unstealthy cargo plan that can carry one.

And they don't have strategic bombers because given their size, their location in the world, and the nature of their enemies, that would be a very poor investment for them. Only superpowers can afford strategic bombers anymore.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2025 05:56 PM (uWKK8)

229 At this point, there is no going back to status quo ante, the Iranian must either fall or be toppled.

Iran should have been glassed after Beirut, this is a long time coming.

Time to unleash The Wrath of G-d on the mullah as.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 19, 2025 05:57 PM (usoBj)

230 And since I'm not shouting the latest party line, I guess I need to put my conservative credentials here. I voted for Trump all 3 times. The only president I've ever actually voted FOR. The rest of my votes were voting against a worse evil.

But I'm also not blind to the fact that it was Trump who both signed an executive order in 2019 that paved the way for the clot shot, and made his Operation Warp Speed the centerpiece of the covid debacle.

I don't question his patriotism and America First position. I do question his judgement of character and ability to see through BS. He's been wrong before.

If I had a dime for every time a conservative politician lied to me, I'd be a very rich man. If I had a nickle for every conservative hero who eventually backstabbed us, I'd be twice that. And if I had a penny for every time a conservative was wrong, well I'd probably own all the money in the world.

I don't trust ANYBODY in the US government no matter what flag they're waving, and even fewer in Israel's. And neither should anybody else.

Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at June 19, 2025 05:57 PM (ERYKL)

231 The US tested it with the B52. Apparently they didn't like the results.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 19, 2025 05:57 PM (0e/QT)

232 I don't think Trump is trying not to upset the "minority of his base that has gone full Code Pink". I think he's trying to appease the majority of his base that is leery of yet another war in the Middle East. The majority of Trump voters will trust Trump on this issue but they're expecting the involvement will be to drop a big bomb on a nuke facility and that's it.

Its crazy to try to paint everyone who expresses any reluctance to fighting another neverending war in some far away shithole as being some isolationist Code Pink faggot. If you want to argue against Tucker's positions that's fine. But pretending that everyone is gung ho to get involved in a war against Iran is totally disingenuous and inaccurate.

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy at June 19, 2025 05:57 PM (/4+8Z)

233 I'd think the best use for these would be taking out large heavy surface targets like reactors or ships.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 19, 2025 05:54 PM (/lPRQ)

Yup, only useful against non moving targets... unless you want to use waves to capsize ships.

You know, unmoving targets like big underground Nuc Plants?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2025 05:58 PM (mP0Kj)

234 is Israel did not have the ability to build bunkr busters, did not anticipate a need for bunkr busters how was there such an egregious oversight?

Posted by: n at Ju

You are assuming much. You have no idea what Israel has. Lol. Keep spinning.

Posted by: runner at June 19, 2025 05:58 PM (nQcpu)

235 Israel has the GBU-28 BBs, and maybe the new 74 ones. But not the big 15 ton one as they have no attack aircraft that can tote it.
Posted by: toby

which is not enough to hit fordow, which has been known of forever

it is something that gets you wondering if they thought they could start some shitshow and get us to finish things

Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 05:58 PM (svh/L)

236 Better known as Cucker Carlson now.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at June 19, 2025 05:58 PM (pnvSo)

237 Got a few extra trolls today, I see.

Posted by: Max Power at June 19, 2025 05:58 PM (q177U)

238 The Israelis are geniuses when it comes to adapting weapons systems. I think if the Israelis wish to, they could figure out how to drop a MOP out of a C-130.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 19, 2025 05:50 PM (tT6L1)

The Japanese and other Asians are inventive and can turn a television into a watch!

Posted by: Zombie Reggie White at June 19, 2025 05:58 PM (R/m4+)

239 Also, it's not accurate to say they don't have bunker busters - they have nukes, and a ground level nuke will do everything a bunker buster can do and more.

But the real benefit of a bunker buster is that you can do a massive amount of damage without being the one to let the nuclear genie out of the bottle, which no one wants to do. Except Iran.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2025 05:59 PM (uWKK8)

240 Apparently, they have never heard of the USS Liberty.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
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Are you suggesting that China is our friend?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 19, 2025 05:59 PM (M78y+)

241 193 The bloom is off the rose.

The Hill@thehill
Michelle Obama on being "glad" she didn’t have a son: "He would’ve been a Barack Obama"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 19, 2025 05:45 PM (L/fGl)

Horrible woman.

Posted by: m at June 19, 2025 05:59 PM (CQE5S)

242 >>>213 I suppose Trump could scare with saying "everybody stay away from Fordow next Tuesday and evacuate very far away" and then let the Israeli commandos go in.

yeah. No one is going to want to be within 10 miles of that place if all that highly-enriched radioactive uranium is blown up and spread around by the winds.

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:59 PM (KRtlO)

243 It’s the other people that just assume you’re an antisemite or some other shit that’s beyond tiresome.
-----------
I didn't memorize any of your posts yesterday but I seem to recall you were treading somewhere adjacent to Candace Owens territory. Its not a good look.

Posted by: Crusader at June 19, 2025 05:59 PM (TN0g+)

244 Stolen from the internet:
Russia has also declared China as an enemy state in a classified security service paper that was leaked to the press, stating that China is an "enemy hunting for new technology and innovations."

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 19, 2025 05:59 PM (rvwwT)

245 Suppose yhey built another one deep underground while no one was looking?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 19, 2025 06:00 PM (0e/QT)

246 252 Better known as Cucker Carlson now.
Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at June 19, 2025 05:58 PM (pnvSo)

on X he's become Tucker Qatar'lson.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2025 06:00 PM (uWKK8)

247 You are assuming much. You have no idea what Israel has. Lol. Keep spinning.
Posted by: runner

yeah, has to be that, the entire discussion of US involvement and getting bunkr busters, is nothing but an psyop by the Israelis, theyve already done fordow and Trump is doing this to ferret out the nazi voters.

Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 06:00 PM (svh/L)

248 (goes and sits next to thathalfrican)

Good to see you, pops.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - The 19th Amendment is a civilization level sh*t test at June 19, 2025 06:00 PM (hv3vJ)

249 Yankeefilth is hard at work. Working overtime 6 days now ton tell us that Israel ain't all that. For some weird reason. Why? Why does it matter to him sooo much?

Posted by: runner at June 19, 2025 06:00 PM (nQcpu)

250 yeah. No one is going to want to be within 10 miles of that place if all that highly-enriched radioactive uranium is blown up and spread around by the winds.
Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:59 PM

Part of the beauty of a deep bunker is it will keep the uranium-fluoride way down there. Hopefully.

*crosses fingers*

Posted by: toby928 at June 19, 2025 06:01 PM (OXYBr)

251 i think Israel can get commandos to Fodrow. They have commandos in Tehran already.

If there are guards on the surface of Fodrow: Use air power to kill them

if there are guards underground in Fodrow: Use, and I love this part, poison gas to kill them all, then wait a couple of days and go in

this ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no foolin' around

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 06:01 PM (KRtlO)

252 they could airdrop in commandos armed with huge amounts of explosives to physically carry them into Fodrow and set the charges on the walls of the place.

Or one moderate nuclear device.

- Vapourizes everything inside.
- Leaves an empty underground sphere
- Detonation creates a blast wave pulse that moves through the earth and is picked up by seismic stations across the globe. Nuclear underground tests have an identifiable fingerprint.

And then you say nothing because you don't have to.

And you seal the entrance shaft up with lead and concrete, and you're done.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 19, 2025 06:01 PM (O7YUW)

253 "There's no explosive; the idea is just to rely on the massive kinetic energy of a heavy metal rod falling all the way from orbit to the earth."

supposedly less than a nuke, more than a MOAB (so I've heard). Depending on size I guess. No idea if they have them already in space. Debates over whether it could be called a space weapon (some treaty on that I think) since it is not powered or "explosive".

Posted by: illiniwek at June 19, 2025 06:01 PM (vbXSk)

254 >>> 265
==
Gen X Russians and Americans are pretty much exactly the same.
Posted by: Mike Armstrong at June 19, 2025 06:00 PM (azzVP)

Maybe not *exactly* the same.

Posted by: Vodka at June 19, 2025 06:01 PM (ULPxl)

255 195

yeah, but having almost complete air supremacy can help ground troops out of a lot of jams.

have you seen the drone warfare vids in Ukraine? They drop bombs right through the sun-roofs of cars. Israel would have a fleet of drones protecting their troops, plus conventional fighter-bombers overflying them.

Not saying that the disaster you're talking about coudn't happen. It could. But... it's doable.
Posted by: ace

Any raid would have to be preceded by carpet-bombing the entire vicinity to clear out any existing Iranian troops and personnel, to make a safe landing zone. Then they'd have to defend their "beachhead" and pour in enough paratroopers to both get the job done inside the mountain and to defend the perimeter from the inevitable attacks from the Iranian military.

And then -- the boobytraps.

Makes me nervous just thinking about it.

But at the same time, I so want to see it happen.

Posted by: zombie at June 19, 2025 06:01 PM (pMi6S)

256

The big shots tried to hold it back
Fools tried to wish it away
The hopeful depend on a world without end
Whatever the hopeless may say

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 19, 2025 06:01 PM (63Dwl)

257 Also, it's not accurate to say they don't have bunker busters - they have nukes, and a ground level nuke will do everything a bunker buster can do and more.

thats not true

Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 06:02 PM (svh/L)

258 The only people discussing "bunker busters" are here in this site

Posted by: runner at June 19, 2025 06:02 PM (nQcpu)

259 Are you suggesting that China is our friend?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 19, 2025 05:59 PM (M78y+)

Hardly. Just an Intelligence ship sitting off shore. "Sorry! We thought it belonged to somebody else!"

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 19, 2025 06:02 PM (SyvqI)

260 Valerie Jarrett sure has been quiet. She in the bunker with the K Man?

Posted by: Ghoulposts at June 19, 2025 06:02 PM (qUkBO)

261 Two things: Trump wants the airspace completely clear.
And, he does not want any boots on the ground, Israeli or American.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 19, 2025 06:02 PM (M78y+)

262 268 i think Israel can get commandos to Fodrow. They have commandos in Tehran already.

If there are guards on the surface of Fodrow: Use air power to kill them

if there are guards underground in Fodrow: Use, and I love this part, poison gas to kill them all, then wait a couple of days and go in

this ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no foolin' around
Posted by: ace

I like the cut of your jib, sir. Might you have a website I could follow?

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 19, 2025 06:02 PM (W2Pud)

263 So much assumption!

Posted by: runner at June 19, 2025 06:03 PM (nQcpu)

264 The Seven Years War as the first “world war”: intriguing. I think a case can be made for it! Looking it up on Wikipedia I was surprised to find that Great Britain was already in possession of Hudson Bay, Newfoundland, and Nova Scotia since 1713 by the Treaty of Utrecht. British Canada was already on the way!

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 19, 2025 06:03 PM (qgNn3)

265
Hardly. Just an Intelligence ship sitting off shore. "Sorry! We thought it belonged to somebody else!"
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
--------------------

Yeah, I'm for sinking all Chinese vessels.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 19, 2025 06:03 PM (M78y+)

266 Posted by: Mike Armstrong at June 19, 2025 05:54 PM (azzVP)

Strangest backhanded compliment in awhile. Lmao

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 19, 2025 06:03 PM (eZwyX)

267 260 Stolen from the internet:
Russia has also declared China as an enemy state in a classified security service paper that was leaked to the press, stating that China is an "enemy hunting for new technology and innovations."
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 19, 2025 05:59 PM (rvwwT)

Yup. We had a historic opportunity to bring Russia into Western Society, and they made overtures...

But every US Administration rebuffed them.

Mid East would be a totally different place... as would Europe... if we had engaged with Russia, instead of treating them as an enemy.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2025 06:03 PM (mP0Kj)

268 Its crazy to try to paint everyone who expresses any reluctance to fighting another neverending war in some far away shithole as being some isolationist Code Pink faggot. If you want to argue against Tucker's positions that's fine. But pretending that everyone is gung ho to get involved in a war against Iran is totally disingenuous and inaccurate.

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy at June 19, 2025 05:57 PM (/4+8Z)

Exactly. If someone is pro-war, fine. Feel free to argue your position, it's honestly a strong one, assuming what we're being told is true. But dial back the ridicule. Reasonable people can disagree here reasonably.

Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at June 19, 2025 06:03 PM (ERYKL)

269 We are having violent thunderstorms right how. The power keeps flashing but my UPS is surviving the surges.

Kind of ominous actually.

Posted by: toby928 at June 19, 2025 06:04 PM (OXYBr)

270 this ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no foolin' around

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 06:01 PM (KRtlO)

--------------

Ali's changed his hairstyle
So many times now
We don't know what he looks like

Posted by: ShainS -- Busy Organizing 'Make Trump King' Protests at June 19, 2025 06:04 PM (nXhai)

271 "There's no explosive; the idea is just to rely on the massive kinetic energy of a heavy metal rod falling all the way from orbit to the earth."

supposedly less than a nuke, more than a MOAB (so I've heard). Depending on size I guess. No idea if they have them already in space. Debates over whether it could be called a space weapon (some treaty on that I think) since it is not powered or "explosive".
Posted by: illiniwek

Has no one played Call Of Duty? One release was based around the Rods from God idea.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 19, 2025 06:04 PM (WZaJc)

272 this ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no foolin' around
Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 06:01 PM (KRtlO)

——-

Life is just a party
And parties weren't meant to last

War is all around us
My mind says prepare to fight
So if I gotta die
I'm gonna listen to my body tonight

Everybody's got a bomb
We could all die any day, aw
But before I'll let that happen
I'll dance my life away,

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at June 19, 2025 06:04 PM (5cl3b)

273 Yankeefilth is hard at work. Working overtime 6 days now ton tell us that Israel ain't all that. For some weird reason. Why? Why does it matter to him sooo much?
Posted by: runner

yeah have you not read what I have written, noticing what Israel has the ability to do and not do is nothing other than realism, your thoughts that the Israelis have the ability to do everything they have done and want to do in iran without our involvement is wishcasting

try harder

Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 06:04 PM (svh/L)

274 The Hill@thehill
Michelle Obama on being "glad" she didn’t have a son: "He would’ve been a Barack Obama"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 19, 2025 05:45 PM (L/fGl)

Horrible woman.
Posted by: m at June 19, 2025 05:59 PM (CQE5S)

ooh, the more you think about it the nastier that gets! LOL they really hate each other now, even more than Bill and Hillary. (I think they mostly just ignore each other now)
I remember at Carter's funeral Trump and Obama were actually yukking it up in the back while the others sat there stiffly. Barak was probably thrilled not to have that wet blanket Moochelle all over him.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2025 06:05 PM (uWKK8)

275 " So much assumption!
Posted by: runner "

There is. I'm making assumptions as well.

For one thing I'm assuming boots on the ground is completely out of the question.

I don't see PDJT having any interest in that at all.

Posted by: HALO NAZI at June 19, 2025 06:05 PM (fV+MH)

276 262 252 Better known as Cucker Carlson now.
Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at June 19, 2025 05:58 PM (pnvSo)

on X he's become Tucker Qatar'lson.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2025 06:00 PM (uWKK

And Chatsworth Qatarlson (Mark Levin).

Posted by: m at June 19, 2025 06:06 PM (CQE5S)

277 i think Israel can get commandos to Fodrow. They have commandos in Tehran already.

If there are guards on the surface of Fodrow: Use air power to kill them

if there are guards underground in Fodrow: Use, and I love this part, poison gas to kill them all, then wait a couple of days and go in

this ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no foolin' around
Posted by: ace

hq has bunches of guys interested in volunteering Israelis for suicide runs.

Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 06:06 PM (svh/L)

278 Posted by: Boron Cobbie - The 19th Amendment is a civilization level sh*t test at June 19, 2025 06:00 PM (hv3vJ)

Sup man. 3 kids deep and a career change last year. Times are changing.

How’re you?

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 19, 2025 06:06 PM (eZwyX)

279 266 Yankeefilth is hard at work. Working overtime 6 days now ton tell us that Israel ain't all that. For some weird reason. Why? Why does it matter to him sooo much?
Posted by: runner
-------------------------

He's on the payroll and earns good money.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 19, 2025 06:06 PM (M78y+)

280 Am I the only one who thinks Rods from God is a bunch of bullshit? They drop a 20 foot rod and it hits with the force of a nuke. [Tilts head in very skeptical pose]. Well, how big a nuke?

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at June 19, 2025 06:07 PM (5cl3b)

281 Israel had plans for Iran for decades. Plans that don"t involve the us.

Posted by: runner at June 19, 2025 06:07 PM (nQcpu)

282 275 The only people discussing "bunker busters" are here in this site
Posted by: runner at June 19, 2025 06:02 PM (nQcpu)

nuh uh

Posted by: m at June 19, 2025 06:07 PM (CQE5S)

283 NO HALO NAZI FOR YOU!!

Posted by: eleven at June 19, 2025 06:07 PM (fV+MH)

284 164: "We could give them some B-52s, I guess. We must have some of those still in operation."

Yep, we still gots BUFFs. Training Israeli pilots and air / ground crew on them would take a few months though.

Posted by: Alex at June 19, 2025 06:07 PM (EcUen)

285 How do you aim a rod exactly?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 19, 2025 06:07 PM (0e/QT)

286 I don't know the state of disrepair of their nuclear facility but I know that they will never quit their pursuit of this weaponry. Negotiations are meaningless. Whatever they say, it will be a lie. So I hope Israel can finish them alone but if they need our bombs for the coup de grace, fine with me and let's get it over with.

Posted by: Ordinary American at June 19, 2025 06:07 PM (x2CMu)

287 Posted by: m at June 19, 2025 06:06 PM (CQE5S)

Y’all seen the documents, as of last night, Tucker took no money.

But, do, go off.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 19, 2025 06:07 PM (eZwyX)

288 >>> 284 260 Stolen from the internet:
Russia has also declared China as an enemy state in a classified security service paper that was leaked to the press, stating that China is an "enemy hunting for new technology and innovations."
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 19, 2025 05:59 PM (rvwwT)

Yup. We had a historic opportunity to bring Russia into Western Society, and they made overtures...

But every US Administration rebuffed them.

Mid East would be a totally different place... as would Europe... if we had engaged with Russia, instead of treating them as an enemy.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2025 06:03 PM (mP0Kj)

Lessee, post-USSR admins: Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, JEF, Trump 1, Brandon and Trump 2.

Funny how the presstitutes spent so much time during Trump's first round, shrieking about Poo Tin and pee pee gate.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 19, 2025 06:07 PM (ULPxl)

289 Israel had plans for Iran for decades. Plans that don"t involve the us.
Posted by: runner

then why not use those and then theres no need for this debate?

Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 06:08 PM (svh/L)

290 Boots on the ground?? Are you people mad?!

Posted by: runner at June 19, 2025 06:08 PM (nQcpu)

291 Is Israel on some deadline to resolve this? Is it just a matter of fuel, ordinance, and engine hours? Have they lost any planes or pilots yet?

Posted by: toby928 at June 19, 2025 06:08 PM (OXYBr)

292 Posted by: Mike Armstrong at June 19, 2025 06:05 PM (azzVP)

My man!

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 19, 2025 06:08 PM (eZwyX)

293 Ask me how I know the definition of "felch."

Posted by: n as in nitwit at June 19, 2025 06:08 PM (qUkBO)

294 If YankeeFifth is so stupid ? Make him look stupid. Every day he posts.

"It" does a good job of that on it's own

Posted by: It's me donna at June 19, 2025 06:09 PM (VE6XX)

295 @302/Alex: "Training Israeli pilots and air / ground crew on them would take a few months though."

For near immediate deployment: The official crew is IDF. The "advisors" on board are USAF. Officially the IDF flew the B-52. Officially.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 19, 2025 06:09 PM (O7YUW)

296
then why not use those and then theres no need for this debate?
Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 06:08 PM (svh/L)

that actually is what is happening right now. As I said at the top, I think it would actually give America a lot of credibility with Putin, Xi, and Modi to be in on the kill shot. But I've been scouring reports for conditions inside Iran, and they're on the edge of complete anarchy internally.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2025 06:09 PM (uWKK8)

297 try harder
Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 06:04 PM (svh/L)

Run on sentence and poor punctuation. Sentence actually caves in on itself somehow. Non-imaginative name. Does n stand for nitwit?

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 19, 2025 06:10 PM (6PCLE)

298 How does the line of successiob work? If the azzVP is ubable to execute his duties?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 19, 2025 06:10 PM (0e/QT)

299 303 How do you aim a rod exactly?
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 19, 2025 06:07 PM (0e/QT)

Do you have a Y-chromosome ?

Because you just know.

Posted by: jsg at June 19, 2025 06:10 PM (iGK7y)

300 Boots on the ground?? Are you people mad?!
-----------
We going to do this every afternoon? I've still yet to see anyone assert we needed American boots on the ground (or more than some special forces Israeli ones for that matter).

Posted by: Crusader at June 19, 2025 06:10 PM (TN0g+)

301 Am I the only one who thinks Rods from God is a bunch of bullshit? They drop a 20 foot rod and it hits with the force of a nuke. [Tilts head in very skeptical pose]. Well, how big a nuke?
Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at June 19, 2025 06:07 PM (5cl3b)

If you know enough about them, you can probably run the calculation yourself, it's just a matter of figuring out the kinetic energy at terminal velocity.

Like, how much damage would a meteor that still the size/mass of a car (very roughly approximating) do on impact?

Posted by: Methos at June 19, 2025 06:11 PM (Dnobf)

302 then why not use those and then theres no need for this debate?
Posted by: n at June

You are the only one debating. Israel is accomplishing whatever it set out to do . Now. Without "bunker busters".

Posted by: runner at June 19, 2025 06:11 PM (nQcpu)

303 I'm with Trump, let things go on as they are going for another couple of weeks at least. Nobody needs us yet except for our warstocks.

Posted by: toby928 at June 19, 2025 06:11 PM (OXYBr)

304
that actually is what is happening right now. As I said at the top, I think it would actually give America a lot of credibility with Putin, Xi, and Modi to be in on the kill shot. But I've been scouring reports for conditions inside Iran, and they're on the edge of complete anarchy internally.
Posted by: Tom

why ? iran is huge an Israel has hardly hit anything but military targets, everythign els would be fine

Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 06:11 PM (svh/L)

305 I liked the exploding pagers

Posted by: It's me donna at June 19, 2025 06:11 PM (VE6XX)

306 308 Boots on the ground?? Are you people mad?!
Posted by: runner
--------------------

Yeah, It ain't gonna happen.
Neither Jew nor gentile.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 19, 2025 06:11 PM (M78y+)

307 Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2025 06:03 PM (mP0Kj)

Thank God for neocons. Where ever would we be without them?

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 19, 2025 06:11 PM (eZwyX)

308 This is the first definitive moment when Iran's nuclear ambition can be stopped cold. It might be there in 2 weeks. It might not. The Europeans and the Chicoms are sniffing around with offers to mediate. All they have to do to fubar this whole thing to drop in some "peace keepers" in Iran under the guise of ensuring a peaceful resolution. Signaling he's willing to wait 2 weeks opens that window wide. Not US Trump's best strategic moment as I see things.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at June 19, 2025 06:11 PM (NXz8h)

309 309 Is Israel on some deadline to resolve this? Is it just a matter of fuel, ordinance, and engine hours? Have they lost any planes or pilots yet?
Posted by: toby928 at June 19, 2025 06:08 PM (OXYBr)

well they lost the giant plane with the giant pilot that had all the lilliputians standing around it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2025 06:11 PM (uWKK8)

310 " Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 19, 2025 06:08 PM (eZwyX)

Hola !!! Kids good ? Mine are grown now.

Good to see you.
Posted by: Mike Armstrong"

You two gonna fuck or what?

Posted by: eleven at June 19, 2025 06:12 PM (fV+MH)

311 "It's a man-made cave under a mountain; with enough explosives and some smart engineering, it can be collapsed."

Does it need to be collapsed? Block all ingress and egress, kill all their power and comms. Then wait until they starve.

Posted by: Knock gp A Kiss at June 19, 2025 06:12 PM (t9lPv)

312 From what I've seen from Trump, he likes to keep his options open. Dropping bombs is the definition of closing options. So yeah, I expect him to keep pushing for other solutions until making the rubble bounce is necessary.

Posted by: Voyager at June 19, 2025 06:12 PM (fdvCo)

313 >>> 322
==
If you know enough about them, you can probably run the calculation yourself, it's just a matter of figuring out the kinetic energy at terminal velocity.

Like, how much damage would a meteor that still the size/mass of a car (very roughly approximating) do on impact?
Posted by: Methos at June 19, 2025 06:11 PM (Dnobf)

K = 1/2 mv^2

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 19, 2025 06:12 PM (ULPxl)

314 You are the only one debating. Israel is accomplishing whatever it set out to do . Now. Without "bunker busters".
Posted by: runner

so reading is not your thing? everybody has been debating or arguing for or against bunk busters here.

besides, why would you ever be against debating?

Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 06:12 PM (svh/L)

315 Well, the Persians reached out to Europe and requested negotiations. They are buying time. They want to be able to come up with a plan c. \
Posted by: Duke Nuke em at June 19, 2025 05:18 PM (OlHNa)

Reaching out to Europe these days is the definition of desperation.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 19, 2025 06:12 PM (8avO+)

316 Sup man. 3 kids deep and a career change last year. Times are changing.

How’re you?
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One

-

Doing good, not around as often as I'd like but it's nice to see some familiar faces.

And let me just say that I'm all for getting into it with Iran, but we should at least have a pre-written 400 page bill expanding mass surveillance and compromising privacy at the individual law-abiding Americans' level in place before we do it.

We have standards, dangit.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - The 19th Amendment is a civilization level sh*t test at June 19, 2025 06:12 PM (hv3vJ)

317 The U.S. could use 'bunker buster' bombs in Iran. Here's what to know about them (NPR)

Posted by: m at June 19, 2025 06:13 PM (CQE5S)

318 Posted by: Mike Armstrong at June 19, 2025 06:11 PM (azzVP)

Only one will be rounding into adulthood soon. The other two are still below the age of 8. As I said embarked on a new career which….has been interesting.

Fantastic to see you man.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 19, 2025 06:13 PM (eZwyX)

319 But I've been scouring reports for conditions inside Iran, and they're on the edge of complete anarchy internally.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2025 06:09 PM (uWKK

I love that Israeli (probably) hackers took power away and blasted encouragement to the Iranians to rise up and defeat the barbarians in charge.

There are many who are sick of living in the dark ages with no music, no art, no education for women, no anything...except a lot of fear.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 19, 2025 06:13 PM (6PCLE)

320 165 "Rods from God" refers to a weapon system, which I think is hypothetical, of putting heavy tungsten rods into space and just dropping them from orbit. There's no explosive; the idea is just to rely on the massive kinetic energy of a heavy metal rod falling all the way from orbit to the earth.

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 05:29 PM (KRtlO)

This has ACME written all over it.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at June 19, 2025 06:13 PM (h7ZuX)

321 324 I'm with Trump, let things go on as they are going for another couple of weeks at least. Nobody needs us yet except for our warstocks.
Posted by: toby928
-----------------------------

Gives Israel more time to eliminate nasty places on the ground
and kill more cockroaches.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 19, 2025 06:13 PM (M78y+)

322 @317 ChristyBlinkyThe Great-.......no it stands for jerk off.

Posted by: JROD at June 19, 2025 06:13 PM (IlL6s)

323 Posted by: eleven at June 19, 2025 06:12 PM (fV+MH)

Sounds like you have interest in men. Seek help.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 19, 2025 06:13 PM (eZwyX)

324 Why not keep kicking them in the head with airpower? Follow up with hundreds of Tomahawks.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 19, 2025 06:13 PM (0e/QT)

325 so reading is not your thing? everybody has been debating or arguing for or against bunk busters here.

besides, why would you ever be against debating?
Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 06:12 PM (svh/L)

You started it.

Posted by: runner at June 19, 2025 06:14 PM (nQcpu)

326 Am I the only one who thinks Rods from God is a bunch of bullshit? They drop a 20 foot rod and it hits with the force of a nuke. [Tilts head in very skeptical pose]. Well, how big a nuke?
Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade
___________

Somebody here is probably smart enough to do the math on the force generated by a 20 ft tungsten rod dropped from X height. But not me.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 19, 2025 06:14 PM (ITkJX)

327 Why not lend Israel a C-5? Isn't that big enough to drop the bomb?

Posted by: SimoHayha at June 19, 2025 06:14 PM (GSLYI)

328 IF I were going to go all-in on regime change, what would stop me (or Trump) from saying "I'll tell you in 2 weeks"....and then take them completely out tomorrow night (instead of waiting 2 weeks)?

Posted by: Crusader at June 19, 2025 06:14 PM (TN0g+)

329 21m

Israeli forces have issued an evacuation warning for the Sefidrud Industrial Park in Rasht.

Evac circle is almost directly centered on a $500 million Iranian carbon fibre plant, opened by Iran’s Defence Minister in 2015 and likely a key facility for Iranian missile production.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 19, 2025 06:14 PM (M78y+)

330 How bunker buster bombs work and how they could destroy Iran's Fordow nuclear site (Fox News)

Posted by: m at June 19, 2025 06:15 PM (CQE5S)

331 298 Am I the only one who thinks Rods from God is a bunch of bullshit? They drop a 20 foot rod and it hits with the force of a nuke. [Tilts head in very skeptical pose]. Well, how big a nuke?
Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at June 19, 2025 06:07 PM (5cl3b)

____________________________

I'm a member of a Rod and Gun Club. We blow shit up occasionally if nothing is biting, but most of the time it's fishing and shooting, and adult beverages.

Posted by: Orson at June 19, 2025 06:15 PM (dIske)

332 o reading is not your thing? everybody has been debating or arguing for or against bunk busters here.

besides, why would you ever be against debating?
Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 06:12 PM (svh/L)

You started it.
Posted by: runner

wtf? I got her halfway through the thread, the thread is about bunk bustrs, what do you think the moab is?

Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 06:15 PM (svh/L)

333 Even if the Mullahs are taken out the fight against Islam will continue. Always remember if you aren't Islamic you're an infidel. An infidel must be killed, converted or enslaved. Act accordingly

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 19, 2025 06:15 PM (U/Wlk)

334 Posted by: Boron Cobbie - The 19th Amendment is a civilization level sh*t test at June 19, 2025 06:12 PM (hv3vJ)

I hear ya on the whole wishing could be around a bit more.

Quite frankly who doesn’t want a larger surveillance state?

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 19, 2025 06:15 PM (eZwyX)

335 Why Israel wants US bunker busters to hit Iran's Fordow nuclear site (Al Jazeera)

Posted by: m at June 19, 2025 06:15 PM (CQE5S)

336 How do you aim a rod exactly?
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 19, 2025 06:07 PM (0e/QT)

Stick fins on it, like we do with bombs? It has to have something more going on than just a literal rod in order to break orbit.

Posted by: Methos at June 19, 2025 06:15 PM (Dnobf)

337 why ? iran is huge an Israel has hardly hit anything but military targets, everythign els would be fine
Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 06:11 PM (svh/L)

for one thing, the entire banking system nationwide has been shut down for 2 days and counting now, and they show no signs of being able to bring it back up. Also Tehran is largely deserted, no businesses are open, no one has any money. Gas lines stretch miles long to stations that are out of fuel.
Some of this due to the general chaos, some due to an Isreali cyberattack that destroyed their financial networks and erased a lot of their reserves. Food distribution systems will be breaking down next.

This is actually an argument for waiting, since there is every chance Iran could collapse internally before Trump's two weeks are up.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2025 06:16 PM (uWKK8)

338 Am I the only one who thinks Rods from God is a bunch of bullshit? They drop a 20 foot rod and it hits with the force of a nuke. [Tilts head in very skeptical pose]. Well, how big a nuke?
Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at June 19, 2025 06:07 PM (5cl3b)

Ever see Meteor Crater in Arizona? That's what a rock from God did 50000 years ago.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 19, 2025 06:16 PM (8avO+)

339 >>>Its crazy to try to paint everyone who expresses any reluctance to fighting another neverending war in some far away shithole as being some isolationist Code Pink faggot. If you want to argue against Tucker's positions that's fine. But pretending that everyone is gung ho to get involved in a war against Iran is totally disingenuous and inaccurate.

you guys complain about this while in the same breath you claim your opponents are just Jew-crazy madmen itching to send 100,000 US troops in to nation build in Iran.

If you want people to treat your position with seriousness, try doing the same for your opponents.

No one is sending troops into Iran and you know it so stop saying it.

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 06:16 PM (KRtlO)

340 326 I liked the exploding pagers
Posted by: It's me donna at June 19, 2025 06:11 PM (VE6XX)

I loved that! Straight up Monty Python warfare! It worked also to prevent them breeding if they survived the bleeding out part of it. Brilliant!

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 19, 2025 06:16 PM (6PCLE)

341 Trump presses aides on whether bunker-buster plan to bomb Iran will work (Axios)

Posted by: m at June 19, 2025 06:16 PM (CQE5S)

342 "Israel is not smart enough because the need bunker busters
---yankefilth

Posted by: runner at June 19, 2025 06:16 PM (nQcpu)

343 The Seven Years War as the first “world war”

-
Fun fact. George Washington started the Seven Years War but it was an accident / negligence and we call it the French and Indian War.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 19, 2025 06:16 PM (L/fGl)

344 >>>
Stick fins on it, like we do with bombs? It has to have something more going on than just a literal rod in order to break orbit.

i would think it must have positioning rockets on it but I don't see them depicted that way.

Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 06:17 PM (KRtlO)

345 FWIW I've already stated my real position. I'm fine with blowing the crap out of them and blowing the crap out of what's left, but that's the end of it. No nation building, no money for support, no nothing. Just leave it where it sits and go home.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - The 19th Amendment is a civilization level sh*t test at June 19, 2025 06:17 PM (hv3vJ)

346 nood

Posted by: Knock gp A Kiss at June 19, 2025 06:17 PM (t9lPv)

347 Always mystify, mislead, and surprise the enemy if possible..

Posted by: Sun Tzu at June 19, 2025 06:18 PM (LPL2Y)

348 238 Uh, boobs?

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Macho Business Donkey Wrestler
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That plan is so crazy it just might work!

Posted by: 496 at June 19, 2025 06:18 PM (9C6BN)

349 Am I the only one who thinks Rods from God is a bunch of bullshit? They drop a 20 foot rod and it hits with the force of a nuke. [Tilts head in very skeptical pose]. Well, how big a nuke?
Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade

The bomb would naturally contain large kinetic energy because it moves at orbital velocities, around 8 kilometres per second (26,000 ft/s; Mach 24) in orbit and 3 kilometres per second (9,800 ft/s; Mach 8.

at impact. As the rod reenters Earth's atmosphere, it would lose most of its velocity, but the remaining energy would cause considerable damage. Some systems are quoted as having the yield of a small tactical nuclear bomb.

https://tinyurl.com/mrynx4uv

Posted by: rickb223 at June 19, 2025 06:18 PM (WZaJc)

350 360 FWIW I've already stated my real position. I'm fine with blowing the crap out of them and blowing the crap out of what's left, but that's the end of it. No nation building, no money for support, no nothing. Just leave it where it sits and go home.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - The 19th Amendment is a civilization level sh*t test at June 19, 2025 06:17 PM (hv3vJ)
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This is where I'm at.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 19, 2025 06:18 PM (tT6L1)

351 361 you guys complain about this while in the same breath you claim your opponents are just Jew-crazy madmen itching to send 100,000 US troops in to nation build in Iran.

If you want people to treat your position with seriousness, try doing the same for your opponents.

No one is sending troops into Iran and you know it so stop saying it.
Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 06:16 PM (KRtlO)

Thank you.

Posted by: m at June 19, 2025 06:18 PM (CQE5S)

352 wtf? I got her halfway through the thread, the thread is about bunk bustrs, what do you think the moab is?

Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 06:15 PM (svh/L)

a vacation spot in Utah?

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 19, 2025 06:18 PM (uWKK8)

353
Stick fins on it, like we do with bombs? It has to have something more going on than just a literal rod in order to break orbit.
Posted by: Methos at June 19, 2025 06:15 PM (Dnobf)

Is it bad that when I read this I pictured a flying dolphin/bomb. I can see it and it's totally awesome.

Posted by: CaliGirl at June 19, 2025 06:18 PM (eB71+)

354 Like, how much damage would a meteor that still the size/mass of a car (very roughly approximating) do on impact?
Posted by: Methos

Check with Elon. He's run the numbers. Tesla S, I believe?

Posted by: MkY at June 19, 2025 06:18 PM (cPGH3)

355 i would think it must have positioning rockets on it but I don't see them depicted that way.
Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 06:17 PM

They have to have so deorbit booster. Maybe it separates when the orbital mechanics are close enough for the fins. That's the nice thing about ballistics, vector and speed are all that matter.

Posted by: toby928 at June 19, 2025 06:19 PM (OXYBr)

356 1h

A White House official has told Fox News that the U.S. Air Force has no doubt about the efficacy of “bunker busters” in eliminating the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant.

... also denying that any options ... have been taken “off the table” for use against nuclear sites in Iran.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 19, 2025 06:19 PM (M78y+)

357 Posted by: ace at June 19, 2025 06:16 PM (KRtlO)

We are however going to be involved in regime change whether we like it or not.

I absolutely want no part in that. Not because I’m gay for Khomeini, but toppling regimes hasn’t exactly, uh, worked out well.

Plus you know damn well it’ll be another excuse to flood the west.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 19, 2025 06:19 PM (eZwyX)

358 I am so paranoid I read that thinking Ace was mad at me, too.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 19, 2025 06:19 PM (6PCLE)

359 wtf? I got her halfway through the thread, the thread is about bunk bustrs, what do you think the moab is?

Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 06:15 PM (svh/L)

Moab is not a bunker buster. Its just a huge bomb that can take out huge areas of an installation.

BBs are the opposite, they concentrate on penetration to pass through the shielding of a bunker to get at the soft middle.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 19, 2025 06:19 PM (8avO+)

360 wtf? I got her halfway through the thread, the thread is about bunk bustrs, what do you think the moab is?

Posted by: n at June 19, 2025 06:15 PM (svh/L)

An Ex Uranium mine, and kewl place to Vay Cay?

Great Hiking and Bike trails!

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 19, 2025 06:20 PM (mP0Kj)

361 346 nood
Posted by: Knock gp A Kiss at June 19, 2025 06:17 PM (t9lPv)

Posted by: m at June 19, 2025 06:20 PM (CQE5S)

362 Like, how much damage would a meteor that still the size/mass of a car (very roughly approximating) do on impact?
Posted by: Methos

Check with Elon. He's run the numbers. Tesla S, I believe?
Posted by: MkY at June 19, 2025 06:18 PM (cPGH3)

well a real car would come apart very quickly.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 19, 2025 06:20 PM (8avO+)

363 Arabs want the war to end soon. They can't make money when the war is on. Israel can do to Iran what they been has been doing to gazzza. Inch by inch. Or , if you like, what Russia has been doing to o Ukraine. Expedience is something TRUMP and the arab world wants.

Posted by: runner at June 19, 2025 06:20 PM (nQcpu)

364 Somebody here is probably smart enough to do the math on the force generated by a 20 ft tungsten rod dropped from X height. But not me.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba

Basic thermo energy equation.
Cross out all parts except potential energy (pretty much what you wrote).

AOP noted the other day you can only get out what you put into raising to up to where it is parked now.... Minus losses.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 19, 2025 06:22 PM (/lPRQ)

365 1 The Hill@thehill
Michelle Obama on being "glad" she didn’t have a son: "He would’ve been a Barack Obama"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 19, 2025 05:45 PM (L/fGl)

++++

And he was president and all. Still not good enough for Michelle.

Posted by: washrivergal at June 19, 2025 06:22 PM (prDTL)

366 358 How do you aim a rod exactly?
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 19, 2025 06:07 PM (0e/QT)

Stick fins on it, like we do with bombs? It has to have something more going on than just a literal rod in order to break orbit.
Posted by: Methos

This is an old idea, going back to SDI days.

As I remember, the rod spends less than 10 seconds in the atmosphere after being accelerated in space, so they gotta aim right at boost, no time to steer.

Posted by: Auspex at June 19, 2025 06:23 PM (j4U/Z)

367 We are however going to be involved in regime change whether we like it or not.

I absolutely want no part in that. Not because I’m gay for Khomeini, but toppling regimes hasn’t exactly, uh, worked out well.

Plus you know damn well it’ll be another excuse to flood the west.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 19, 2025 06:19 PM (eZwyX)

Again, we did fine toppling Sadaam's regime. It was occupying the area to put up our own regime that failed miserably. Call for interested factions to apply to take over governing bits of the land let them sort out the details.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 19, 2025 06:23 PM (8avO+)

368 Posted by: Oldcat at June 19, 2025 06:23 PM (8avO+)

You proved my point. What happened? Iraq was in disarray and shit got worst refugees galore.

Pass.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 19, 2025 06:24 PM (eZwyX)

369 How do we know Michelle Obama ever had any children, anyway? There are no photographs of her pregnant with either child she claims to have given birth to. What do you think?

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 19, 2025 06:25 PM (qgNn3)

370 The bomb would naturally contain large kinetic energy because it moves at orbital velocities, around 8 kilometres per second (26,000 ft/s; Mach 24) in orbit and 3 kilometres per second (9,800 ft/s; Mach 8. at impact. As the rod reenters Earth's atmosphere, it would lose most of its velocity, but the remaining energy would cause considerable damage. Some systems are quoted as having the yield of a small tactical nuclear bomb.

https://tinyurl.com/mrynx4uv
Posted by: rickb223 at June 19, 2025 06:18 PM (WZaJc)

The theory also is that you have precision to enable the Rod to precisely hit the target. You dont need a nuke to take out a bunker AND the city around it, when you can just hit the bunker itself and limit the damage in the city.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 19, 2025 06:26 PM (8avO+)

371 If you bullseye a Walmart, does it turn into a Target?

Posted by: PG at June 19, 2025 06:27 PM (l+mqW)

372 osted by: Oldcat at June 19, 2025 06:23 PM (8avO+)

You proved my point. What happened? Iraq was in disarray and shit got worst refugees galore.

Pass.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 19, 2025 06:24 PM (eZwyX)

It wouldn't have mattered to us if we were all home in Nebraska the entire time. The job of the military is to break things not figure out how to have a stable government there, something nobody has ever solved.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 19, 2025 06:28 PM (8avO+)

373 @371/PG: "If you bullseye a Walmart, does it turn into a Target?"

Heyo!

(Thank you, I needed that laugh.)

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 19, 2025 06:30 PM (O7YUW)

374 AOP noted the other day you can only get out what you put into raising to up to where it is parked now.... Minus losses.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at June 19, 2025 06:22 PM (/lPRQ)

That isn't quite true, we accelerate or decelerate space probes by buzzing planets or moons to a limited extent, which is how we shot Voyager out of the entire solar system.

But it is mostly right for this case.

Posted by: Oldcat at June 19, 2025 06:31 PM (8avO+)

375 Anyone who supports removing the nuclear program of an Islamic theocracy that's been at war with America for 46 years is prima facie evil!

Posted by: Kooky C. Tarlson at June 19, 2025 06:32 PM (BQ/JU)

376 Oldcat -

Other than the obvious source for gravity assist, I don’t think we would be doing any orbital fly-bys to get any additional kinetic energy for a Rod from God.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 19, 2025 06:35 PM (qgNn3)

377 This is absurd. Just send them more $ Billions.

Posted by: Barky at June 19, 2025 06:36 PM (XeU6L)

378 369 How do we know Michelle Obama ever had any children, anyway? There are no photographs of her pregnant with either child she claims to have given birth to. What do you think?
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at June 19, 2025 06:25 PM (qgNn3)

The "girls" look like the friends and were maybe adopted. I don't think they were spawned by either of them. Mooch was born to scowl. Boo-rock likes males, so I have read in the past. There were many rumors of the church in Chicago covering up ghey hook ups. Larry Sinclair.

Interesting story before the election. Kam Kuwata, a Dim friend and consultant of Feinstein's heard Boo and another man moaning and the smell of poppers at a convention. Told Diane. He was also rabidly against Kam running for AG in CA but she won anyway. Several months later he "died suddenly" in his condo and wasn't found for days. At his funeral Diane beat Boo to the punch by announcing the killing of Osama hours before he got in front of cameras. It seemed like she was sticking Boo in the eye over her friend's death.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 19, 2025 06:37 PM (6PCLE)

379 Just to help out some people - the rods from God - it's a rod. Why a rod? Because it needs to have a small cross sectional area on the tip of the rod. That reduces air resistance and allows it to fall faster. That tip is coated with an ablative heat shield that prevents the air from burning up the rod.

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at June 19, 2025 06:37 PM (D1vbu)

380 Pretty sure Israel has a plan to take out the buried sites. They seem to have had a plan for everything else.

Trump is waiting 2 weeks in case the plan fails. But it probably won't.

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at June 19, 2025 06:39 PM (D1vbu)

381 Let us get into my DeLorean. Yes, we're going back to 2002. Once there, we have a choice to support not getting involved in Iraq (which is coincidentally the Code Pink view, I guess) or wasting our time and money and attention on Iraq.

If we take the first choice, we can also work to deport any Muslims already here, and illegal aliens as well while building a Big Beautiful Wall with ten percent of the money we spent in Iraq.

Posted by: Eric2 at June 19, 2025 06:57 PM (q7Vou)

382 Iran knows the last target will be their nuke facility. They will use everything they have left to protect it. Like rounding up sheep, herd them closer to the nuke plant and then pick them all off. Get them close enough and drop a MOAB on them, that would make it a lot easier to plop a MOP on their heads.

Posted by: Indy Bill at June 19, 2025 08:14 PM (+WI3k)

383 code pink? ha - Fuck you Ace. You brain dead, doped up geriatric neocon.

Posted by: Iggy at June 19, 2025 09:10 PM (+KF5m)

384 "Unless you want to nuke the middle east your not Maga!"
I can't wait till you Boomer fucks finally croak.

Posted by: MIGA at June 19, 2025 09:26 PM (v4TIe)

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