Trump: "I'm In No Mood to Negotiate," Says He's Not Looking for a Ceasefire with Iran, But Rather "an End"

"An end" to the problem of Iran's nuclear program and, perhaps, an end to Iran's 70 year war on America. Not "an end" to Iran itself. (Though he does seem to now favor regime change.)

Trump gave a 1am press conference last night to knock down claims that he's working to spare Iran and save the Ayatollah.

It sure sounds like he wants Israel to finish the job and take this to an actual end, not just a resumption of the status quo under some "deal." Trump went so far as to say that Iran "giving up entirely" is the goal and that "I'm not too much in the mood to negotiate."

He also reiterated that Iran was "very close" to having a nuclear weapon before the strikes, and vowed again that Iran would not be permitted to have one.

That last quote also included this line when asked about DNI Tulsi Gabbard's assertion in March that Iran had no nuclear weapons program.

TRUMP: I don't care what she said. I think they were very close to having them.

I'd consider that a shot across the bow to those in his administration who have sought to undermine him and push their own foreign policy goals in relation to Iran.

Update: CBD says that Tulsi's quote is being used by the oppressively propagandistic Regime media out-of-context to stir up trouble.

Update: The quote was that Iran isn't currently building a nuke, not that they weren't working hard to build a nuke. Fox News war-whore Jennifer Griffin is misquoting her to push her Democrat/Deep State agenda, as usual. Tulsi has clarified that she and Trump are on the same page with regard to Iran's nuke program.

Sarah Ferris
@sarahnferris
DNI Gabbard tells us she and Trump are "on the same page" when it comes to Iran nuclear timeline
"Pres Trump was saying the same thing that I said in my annual threat assessment back in March. Unfortunately too many people in the media don't care to actually read what I said"

From Biden's dog sniffs a whole lot of malarkey.

.@POTUS: "Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. It's very simple — you don't have to go to too deep into it. They just can't have a nuclear weapon." pic.twitter.com/LBgK3DIluq
— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) June 17, 2025

REPORTER: "What are you looking for here?"@POTUS: "An end. A real end. Not a ceasefire — an end." pic.twitter.com/EESQ7zzhw1
— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) June 17, 2025

Trump noticed that Tucker Carlson has gotten far too big for his little britches and checked him.

Tucker Carlson is now saying that Trump's presidency will end early -- due to his failure to obey the dictates of lifetime babbler and non-productive-worker Tucker Carlson -- and Trump called him "kooky" in response.

Trump also pulled out the Big Guns: He implied Tucker Carlson was irrelevant because he doesn't have a network show. That insult is behind-the-times given that no one cares about a network's imprimature any longer, but it does show the level of Trump's annoyance.

When Trump starts talking about your ratings, he's done with you.

President Trump responds to Tucker Carlson’s comments that he is complicit in the war.

Trump: "I don't know what Tucker Carlson is saying. Let him go get a television network and say it so that people listen." pic.twitter.com/l5rXVSYVfY
— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) June 16, 2025

As I've said before: Trump has never signed on to the hyper-isolationist's platform. Yes, Trump says he wants peace and wants to be known for making more peace for war. But there is a caveat to that the hyper-isolationists continually refuse to acknowledge: He also talks in a Jacksonian way. He says he wants peace, but always also indicates he will "blow you to hell" if you mess with America.

Trump said he would re-orient America's foreign and military policy to put America's interest first -- not that he would never take a military action against an enemy.

And not that he would affirmatively work to undermine an ally just because Tucker Carlson and some others on the paleo-right have decided that Jews Control the World and it's time to go to war with them.

Again, the hyper-isolationists refuse to acknowledge that and then claim that Trump is betraying them.

No, you're betraying him. He never once signed on to your Code Pink/ANSWER foreign policy agenda. You completely hallucinated that, and then you use your hallucination to claim that Trump is going back on the promise he made you.

Posted by: Ace at 12:37 PM

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1 First?

Posted by: The Subjunctive Mood at June 17, 2025 12:38 PM (w9Wax)

2 An end would be good.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 12:38 PM (ExV1e)

3 'Was' should be the operative word. Not 'is.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:38 PM (bss/y)

4 in early

Posted by: Shaftoe at June 17, 2025 12:38 PM (P1t+h)

5 I'll noodify the others.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at June 17, 2025 12:39 PM (w9Wax)

6 And THAT is how you negotiate. You start with the biggest ask, the biggest consequences, the largest risk to the other side.

You don't start by handcuffing yourself like our "elite" "diplomats" always do.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at June 17, 2025 12:39 PM (zjgNU)

7 "Kooky Karlson"

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2025 12:39 PM (Q4IgG)

8 Once you're in a war, win it.
The time for half assing is over. Put the whole ass on it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 12:40 PM (xcxpd)

9 Trump didn't get into office to continue the Obama/Biden policy of slow surrender to Iran.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 17, 2025 12:40 PM (Dv3i1)

10 I'll look down and whisper ... no.

Posted by: Donald J. Trump, First of His Name at June 17, 2025 12:40 PM (jc0TO)

11 And someone tell Massie to can it....

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2025 12:40 PM (VE6XX)

12 th!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2025 12:40 PM (kgE5c)

13 Fuck, even code pink did not give a shit. Their 'isolationism' was purely political.

One, some of these feels squirrelous as far as arguments go. Simple semantic games on twitter. How many people actually believe it?

It is perfect being the enemy of the good territory.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:40 PM (bss/y)

14 Yes. This is a different now. We could see right when Israel first started that this would not be a typical "make some noise then go back to situation normal" thing. It was too well gamed out, too well planned, and too well executed to be anything other than putting Iran into existential crisis.

Would have been much more difficult without US support.

I'm trying to think that between the US and Israel...which one is the bad cop...?

Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 17, 2025 12:41 PM (x69Nb)

15 I will forgive Tulsi this ONE TIME if she shows me her rack. During an oil wresting match with Nancy Mace.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at June 17, 2025 12:41 PM (sRoQh)

16 Odd that I didn't see this last thread. I looked it upto make sure I wasn't misremembering.

Iran took Americans hostage and held them.
Ukraine didn't.
That's the difference. Plus we know Ukraine isn't working together nukes.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 17, 2025 12:41 PM (AcTAo)

17 Ace, i think that question about Gabbard was a set-up. She didn't say they do not have a weapons program, I think she said something like, "they aren't currently building a nuclear weapon."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 17, 2025 12:41 PM (L5An7)

18 Would I believe the Israeli IC over ours? Well, I don't know who runs theirs, but I know who runs ours, and I don't trust the SOBs.

Posted by: huerfano at June 17, 2025 12:41 PM (n2swS)

19 Willowed:

458 He's right, you know. (Konstantin Kisin)
Joking aside, the reason the online isolationists are having such a meltdown is actually not even that they are "anti-war". Current events are shattering the illusion that their hot takes are representative or influential. This is why they're so upset.

The reason they have been able to maintain this illusion in their minds despite the fact that President Trump has always been pro-Israel and a hawk on Iran is that the illusion was flattering to them.

Thousands and thousands of likes on their posts about how Churchill was the chief villain of WWII and Israel is the root of all evil went to their head. They thought they had power. The thought they had influence. And now that they've realised they don't they're calling for Trump to be impeached

https://is.gd/E7WxaG

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 12:41 PM (s8j++)

20 8 Once you're in a war, win it.
The time for half assing is over. Put the whole ass on it.
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Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:41 PM (bss/y)

21 >>> Trump: "I'm In No Mood to Negotiate... I'm Not Looking for a Ceasefire, I'm Looking for an End."

=====

Might as well have he said he was there to chew bubble gum and kick ass. And that he was all out of bubble gum.

Posted by: Turn 2 at June 17, 2025 12:41 PM (6TlG5)

22 We're getting close to flaming ayatollah skull territory, aren't we?

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at June 17, 2025 12:41 PM (h7ZuX)

23 The CIA Assessment was remarkably wrong about how close Iran was to a nuke. It is also wrong about how Iran can weaponize some of that nuclear material and their intent to use it. CiNC didn’t rush back to the US because he had a tee time. Mark this on your calendars.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2025 12:42 PM (mFoqI)

24 "I don't know what Tucker Carlson is saying. Let him go get a television network and say it so that people listen."

That's gonna leave a mark.

Posted by: Dr. T at June 17, 2025 12:42 PM (jGGMD)

25 15 I will forgive Tulsi this ONE TIME if she shows me her rack. During an oil wresting match with Nancy Mace.
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at June 17, 2025 12:41 PM (sRoQh)

*perks up*
If that happens...I'll forgive her a whole lot.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 12:42 PM (xcxpd)

26 Tucker has forgotten the cardinal rule:

You never go Full Retard. Tucker went Full Retard.

Posted by: ballistic at June 17, 2025 12:42 PM (3BwY8)

27

If I had a 12" wang I could stick in my own pooper!

Posted by: T. Carlson, Esq. at June 17, 2025 12:42 PM (gYVB4)

28 No, you're betraying him. He never once signed on to your Code Pink/ANSWER foreign policy agenda. You completely hallucinated that, and then you use your hallucination to claim that Trump is going back on the promise he made you.

======

People getting mad about immigration pull backs make sense. He promised the largest mass deportation program in history.

People getting mad at Trump for Israel attacking Iran and Trump not...stopping it? Makes no sense. Trump is a Jacksonian and is always in favor of punching a bully in the nose, and Iran has been punching Israel (and us to a lesser extent) in the nose for decades. If Trump is publicly aligned with Israel, which he is, then of course he's going to aid, in limited ways like sharing of intel, Israel with knocking at Iran's regime's supports.

Of course he is.

This is not a hard logical progression. It's nothing he really promised, but it fits with who he is, what he's always said he believed, and how he behaves on the global stage.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 12:42 PM (GBKbO)

29 Send John Kerry to negotiate!

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at June 17, 2025 12:42 PM (w9Wax)

30 14 comments before boobs are mentioned. Progress.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 17, 2025 12:43 PM (Dv3i1)

31 We know exactly where the so-called "Supreme Leader" is hiding. He is an easy target, but is safe there - We are not going to take him out (kill!), at least not for now. But we don't want missiles shot at civilians, or American soldiers. Our patience is wearing thin. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

-
Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu Won’t Rule Out Killing Iran’s Supreme Leader

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 17, 2025 12:43 PM (L/fGl)

32 I really don't get the problem with Gabbard's answer to Congressional questioning.

Gabbard said it was the assessment of the intelligence community that "Iran is not currently building a nuclear weapon."

She also said: "Iran's enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons."

All of that appears to be entirely accurate. Iran wasn't (and probably still isn't) 'currently building' a nuclear weapon. They very much were sprinting towards the capability to do so with every available resource, and every indicator is that they were trying to get to a place where they COULD be 'currently building' a nuclear wepon.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 12:43 PM (lHAAk)

33 Hey, remember when Joe Biden used to give 1am press conferences?

LOL

Posted by: Jay in PA at June 17, 2025 12:43 PM (9mw3J)

34 20 8 Once you're in a war, win it.
The time for half assing is over. Put the whole ass on it.
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Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:41 PM (bss/y)

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Quality pooper.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 12:43 PM (xcxpd)

35 I'm Not Looking for a Ceasefire, I'm Looking for an End.

But then we can't have "negotiations" and "heightened tensions" and "grave consequences"!!

Posted by: The Deep State at June 17, 2025 12:43 PM (YumCr)

36 Im also sick of Tucker and his liege. They believe we shouldn’t be involved in a conflict unless the OPFOR rolls up on Long Beach. That’s just unrealistic in today’s world of ballistic weaponry.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2025 12:43 PM (mFoqI)

37 he will "blow you to hell" if you mess with America.
.......

I voted for this.

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2025 12:43 PM (UjdFS)

38 What if IAF crews have been training on B-2s and the US "gives" one or a few of them to Israel, with the US markings removed and IAF markings replacing them until further notice?

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at June 17, 2025 12:44 PM (n+rGF)

39 Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu Won’t Rule Out Killing Iran’s Supreme Leader
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 17, 2025 12:43 PM (L/fGl)

LOL.
We found our bad cop.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 17, 2025 12:44 PM (sRoQh)

40 With movement of US assets and Trumps rhetoric, it appears a major attack is imminent.

Posted by: WisRich at June 17, 2025 12:44 PM (G0vdT)

41 It occurred to me yesterday that the diplomatic corps that normally handles relations between nation states is wildly out of their depth with respect to President Trump.

In their world, EVERYONE is a double-dealing, backstabbing weasel, regardless of what nation they represent, so they assume everyone is like them.

President Trump is a businessman who expects results at the end of the day. He's a man of his word, because that carries a great deal of weight in his world. People can trust him, knowing that he'll get the job done.

Diplomats HATE that because they can't understand it.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 17, 2025 12:44 PM (7fElN)

42 The DNI making such a foolish declaration should have been grounds for dismissal. Seriously, Tulsi, WTF?

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at June 17, 2025 12:44 PM (wzAuc)

43 Ace,
This is a wonderful post. Thank you.

Posted by: Wenda at June 17, 2025 12:44 PM (2EeNt)

44 >>3 'Was' should be the operative word. Not 'is.'

he actually did say "was." I'll go back and correct my misquote.

Posted by: ace at June 17, 2025 12:44 PM (KRtlO)

45 Send John Kerry to negotiate!

Not an option. James Taylor is on vacation.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 12:44 PM (s8j++)

46 Since Ace used the Walter Russell Mead term 'Jacksonian' in terms of foreign policy, I'll add (using terms that Mead would use) that the problem with Jeffersonian foreign policy (and the Carlson types Ace doesn't like are Jeffersonians) is that it can't articulate what is a threat worth responding to beyond an actual attack on US soil itself. Jacksonians, Hamiltonians and even the hideous Wilsonians can articulate when foreign intervention is necessary. Jeffersonians cannot. Jefferson himself ended up using the Navy he once opposed to fight Barbary pirates in an undeclared war (thus something against his own supposed principles).

Just because one despises Wilsonians like Bush, Hillary Clinton and Biden who wanted to fight wars everywhere for 'muh democracy' does not mean that one automatically becomes a Jeffersonian peacenik. That ignores the long Jacksonian and Hamiltonian (sometimes called Madisonian) traditions of foreign policy that are more realist than idealist.

Posted by: the lower depths at June 17, 2025 12:45 PM (+b4rY)

47 Deep staters probably gave Tulsi "wrong" information.. They're still entrenched in the Government...

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2025 12:45 PM (VE6XX)

48 Its funny the FNM tells me anyone that wants a ceasefire in the Uke war, where the Russians are winning is a Russian Fascist NAZI Bot, but that anyone that doesn't support an immediate ceasefire in the Iranian war, where Israel is winning, is a Christianist Fascist NAZI Bot

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 12:45 PM (t0Rmr)

49 Once you're in a war, win it.
The time for half assing is over. Put the whole ass on it.
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Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:41 PM (bss/y)

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Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 12:43 PM

Cheeky lass.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2025 12:45 PM (kgE5c)

50 Tucker's problem is that he's way overcompensating for the fact that he was a prominent cheerleader for the Iraq ever-wars. He's now with Jeffrey Sachs and folks like Madeline Albreit who think American Dominance is somehow a bad thing and that we should be taken down a notch for penance.

There's a difference between sticking your nose everywhere and not taking shit from anyone.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at June 17, 2025 12:45 PM (bNf8H)

51 Trump is playing this perfectly, up to and including shitting on delusionals like Tucker.

The thing with Tulsi was manufactured. She didn't really say what the media claims she said. I would rather Trump have pointed that out, but otherwise his response was good. I'm not sure whether Tulsi is fully committed to doing what is necessary to Iran. So it might be best to marginalize her on the issue.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2025 12:45 PM (iFTx/)

52 Once you're in a war, win it.
The time for half assing is over. Put the whole ass on it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo
......

Then plant your flag and own it. It's called "winning".

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2025 12:45 PM (UjdFS)

53 Trump should quote some Megadeth at Iran.

"The quickest way to end the war is lose."

You could have peace by dinner if you really wanted it.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 17, 2025 12:45 PM (q6XPQ)

54 Tucker can kiss it.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at June 17, 2025 12:45 PM (JUy4v)

55 Once you're in a war, win it.
The time for half assing is over. Put the whole ass on it.
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Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:41 PM (bss/y)

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Posted by: And deez at June 17, 2025 12:46 PM (TbWk/)

56 I really don't get the problem with Gabbard's answer to Congressional questioning.

Gabbard said it was the assessment of the intelligence community that "Iran is not currently building a nuclear weapon."

She also said: "Iran's enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons."

All of that appears to be entirely accurate. Iran wasn't (and probably still isn't) 'currently building' a nuclear weapon. They very much were sprinting towards the capability to do so with every available resource, and every indicator is that they were trying to get to a place where they COULD be 'currently building' a nuclear wepon.

She may simply not have given enough thought to her phrasing. I'm willing to overlook it...this time.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 12:46 PM (s8j++)

57 Keep ‘em guessing, you crazy guy!
Love that he’s done playing negotiations, the one thing these ME states could always count on is the American politicians craving a career-making deal.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 17, 2025 12:46 PM (Hkcdp)

58 Everyone is describing the situation on the ground entirely differently. There is no consistency. The pro Israel right and the anti Israel right are following two completely different stories. You hear from one side Israel made a fatal gamble and the other side says Iran is days away from falling apart.

Posted by: Max Power at June 17, 2025 12:46 PM (q177U)

59 Tucker Carlson is over, he can go spend time with Candace Owens, Jason Hinkle, and Nick Fuentes from now on.

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 17, 2025 12:46 PM (uWKK8)

60 Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 17, 2025 12:41 PM (x69Nb)

Hey, WD. Taylor was here earlier.

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 12:46 PM (77rzZ)

61 Send John Kerry to negotiate!

Not an option. James Taylor is on vacation.
Posted by: Archimedes

Hillary. She's tanned. She's rested. And occasionally sober.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at June 17, 2025 12:46 PM (NXz8h)

62 >>>Ace, i think that question about Gabbard was a set-up. She didn't say they do not have a weapons program, I think she said something like, "they aren't currently building a nuclear weapon."

Okay, thanks for the context. I didn't remember this exchange at all.

Posted by: ace at June 17, 2025 12:46 PM (KRtlO)

63 The CIA Assessment came to that conclusion because they didn’t believe Iran could get that material onto a warhead and capable platform. They were wrong. How do I know? Because several of the Smellies the IDF smoked were working on those capabilities.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2025 12:46 PM (mFoqI)

64 That's the difference. Plus we know Ukraine isn't working together nukes.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 17, 2025 12:41 PM (AcTAo)

They had them by the bucketfull and gave them up.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at June 17, 2025 12:47 PM (FCbAQ)

65 It was the skunk stripe talking.

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2025 12:47 PM (UjdFS)

66 We're getting close to flaming ayatollah skull territory, aren't we?
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs!

Oh mercy me. Do you think we are going to get a special flaming skull?? This would be tremendously cool of whomever makes the skulls.

Posted by: H at June 17, 2025 12:47 PM (2gjbv)

67 Tulsi was reading the assessment from the Biden Administration.

Of course a bunch of useless twats are trying to divide the Trump Administration.

Posted by: Jay in PA at June 17, 2025 12:47 PM (9mw3J)

68
Just because one despises Wilsonians like Bush, Hillary Clinton and Biden who wanted to fight wars everywhere for 'muh democracy' does not mean that one automatically becomes a Jeffersonian peacenik. That ignores the long Jacksonian and Hamiltonian (sometimes called Madisonian) traditions of foreign policy that are more realist than idealist.

A potential test for this - give me a realistic, positive outcome of any conflict that you want American to participate in that gives DIRECT benefits to the American people.

If your answer is muh democracies! you get a month in the box. ..

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 12:47 PM (t0Rmr)

69 >>Trump should quote some Megadeth at Iran.

"The quickest way to end the war is lose."

As ALWAYS....

SLAYER did it Better:

WAR ENSEMBLE - https://www.youtube.com
/watch?v=jqnC54vbUbU

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 12:47 PM (uZ2FS)

70 She may simply not have given enough thought to her phrasing. I'm willing to overlook it...this time.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 12:46 PM (s8j++)

What should she have said?

She said 'they're not building a bomb right this minute, but they're damn sure trying to.'

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 12:47 PM (lHAAk)

71 "lifetime babbler and non-productive-worker Tucker Carlson"

In all fairness, this applies to a large sector of Americans on both sides of the political aisle. I mean, if by "productive" you mean creating something in the physical world.

If Elon only bought Twitter and achieved nothing else besides giving us freedom of speech, I'd call that productive.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at June 17, 2025 12:47 PM (w6EFb)

72 Once you're in a war, win it.
The time for half assing is over. Put the whole ass on it.
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Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:41 PM (bss/y)

Wow.
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Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 12:43 PM

Cheeky lass.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2025 12:45 PM (kgE5c)
________

Dudes, that is so photoshopped the proportions aren't even close to right! I expect better. Do better. Thanks for your attention.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2025 12:47 PM (iFTx/)

73 Trump is a Jacksonian and is always in favor of punching a bully in the nose

Which always stuns them. "That's just not how things are done!" A few more to go.

Posted by: t-bird at June 17, 2025 12:47 PM (BIMpQ)

74 62 >>>Ace, i think that question about Gabbard was a set-up. She didn't say they do not have a weapons program, I think she said something like, "they aren't currently building a nuclear weapon."

Okay, thanks for the context. I didn't remember this exchange at all.
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2025 12:46 PM (KRtlO)

======

No one but JD Vance seems to remember that the UN (specifically IAEA) said that Iran was out of alignment with their nuclear agreements and limitations on their enrichment progress the day before Israel struck.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 12:47 PM (GBKbO)

75 It occurred to me yesterday that the diplomatic corps that normally handles relations between nation states is wildly out of their depth with respect to President Trump.

In their world, EVERYONE is a double-dealing, backstabbing weasel, regardless of what nation they represent, so they assume everyone is like them.

President Trump is a businessman who expects results at the end of the day. He's a man of his word, because that carries a great deal of weight in his world. People can trust him, knowing that he'll get the job done.

Diplomats HATE that because they can't understand it.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 17, 2025 12:44 PM (7fElN)

--

Ray Stantz: Personally, I liked the university. They gave us money and facilities, we didn't have to produce anything! You've never been out of college! You don't know what it's like out there! I've *worked* in the private sector. They expect *results*.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 17, 2025 12:47 PM (x69Nb)

76 Good afternoon Ace and everyone

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2025 12:48 PM (+qU29)

77 62 >>>Ace, i think that question about Gabbard was a set-up. She didn't say they do not have a weapons program, I think she said something like, "they aren't currently building a nuclear weapon."

If true, not as bad as the media is saying..... I do think that they were indeed building a nuke though...

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2025 12:48 PM (VE6XX)

78
Tucker Carlson vs. John Bolton, stripped to the waist and wrasslin' to determine interventionism / isolationism.

Broadcast live on ACE! TV.

Posted by: Auspex at June 17, 2025 12:48 PM (j4U/Z)

79 Cool so with Iran out of the way there won't be any destabilizing forces in the region, and all the fake refugees can go back to their plots of sand around ther middle east, right? RIGHT?

Posted by: Rbastid at June 17, 2025 12:48 PM (gzknm)

80 Posted by: Wenda at June 17, 2025 12:44 PM (2EeNt)

Hey, Wenda. How're you doing?

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 12:48 PM (77rzZ)

81 It occurred to me yesterday that the diplomatic corps that normally handles relations between nation states is wildly out of their depth with respect to President Trump.

In their world, EVERYONE is a double-dealing, backstabbing weasel, regardless of what nation they represent, so they assume everyone is like them.
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Makes the Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne look halfway competent.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at June 17, 2025 12:48 PM (6YdsJ)

82 It's going to be something when some Iranian terrorist blows himself up in a major American city and we find out he illegally immigrated during the Biden years but only became radicalized once Trump was in office.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 17, 2025 12:48 PM (KbCG3)

83 TRUMP: I don't care what she said. I think they were very close to having them.
I'd consider that a shot across the bow to those in his administration who have sought to undermine him and push their own foreign policy goals in relation to Iran.
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It may be a shot across the bow but not necessarily at Tulsi.
Tulsi made the statement in March and pos Jennifer Griffin worked it into the present.

She did a good job as foreign correspondent in Israel years ago.
Since then she's sold her soul.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 12:48 PM (Ffc+8)

84 Tulsi made it clear there is no daylight between her and POTUS. She also said her testimony is “once again” being misconstrued for political purposes.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2025 12:49 PM (mFoqI)

85 73 Trump is a Jacksonian and is always in favor of punching a bully in the nose

Which always stuns them. "That's just not how things are done!" A few more to go.
Posted by: t-bird at June 17, 2025 12:47 PM (BIMpQ)

=======

The diplomatic apparatus of the western world is stupid

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 12:49 PM (GBKbO)

86 Dudes, that is so photoshopped the proportions aren't even close to right! I expect better. Do better. Thanks for your attention.
Posted by: Elric Blade

Maybe they don't even know how to use photoshop.

Posted by: Stacey Abrams at June 17, 2025 12:49 PM (FdyuK)

87 "Kooky Karlson"
Posted by: Martini Farmer

Kooky Kooky lend me your comb.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 17, 2025 12:49 PM (L/fGl)

88 Like that he dismissed the Tulsi question- it was a gotcha. Don’t play the game, respond to current conditions

Posted by: Lizzy at June 17, 2025 12:49 PM (Hkcdp)

89 Hillary. She's tanned. She's rested. And occasionally sober.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions.
......

Those are liver spots.

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2025 12:49 PM (UjdFS)

90 Tucker Carlson is only following orders delivered by his DS handlers.

Tucker is a good little spook.

Posted by: kallisto at June 17, 2025 12:49 PM (Zi7KN)

91 Once you're in a war, win it.
The time for half assing is over. Put the whole ass on it.

The last time there was a negative consequence for fighting a war at full strength was...1951? And we've lost pretty much every conflict since then that we half assed.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 12:49 PM (t0Rmr)

92 If true, not as bad as the media is saying..... I do think that they were indeed building a nuke though...

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2025 12:48 PM (VE6XX)

I put her actual quoted words in here.

The jist of it is: They aren't literally building a bomb at this moment, but they're doing their best to get to a place where they CAN build a bomb.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 12:49 PM (lHAAk)

93 Hey, WD. Taylor was here earlier.
Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 12:46 PM (77rzZ)

Really? Huh. Take that as a compliment to the Horde.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 17, 2025 12:49 PM (x69Nb)

94 People are only against war when the other side is in charge, it seems.

Yeah, I know. I don't have all the answers on this one. Just pointing out what looks like a very common pattern. But don't let that stop anybody from calling me a liberal, coward, idiot, whatever here.

Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at June 17, 2025 12:50 PM (ERYKL)

95 Things moving really fast

Trump now calling for Unconditional Surrender
Bombers stationed on Diego Garcia
Pahlavi to speak to the Iranian people in an hour.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2025 12:50 PM (t/2Uw)

96 She may simply not have given enough thought to her phrasing. I'm willing to overlook it...this time.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 12:46 PM (s8j++)

What should she have said?

She said 'they're not building a bomb right this minute, but they're damn sure trying to.'

That's probably better. Make it so simple even an eight year old knows exactly what you mean. Sure, the media, and some here, will still try to misconstrue it, but you do what you can.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 12:50 PM (s8j++)

97 Ray Stantz: Personally, I liked the university. They gave us money and facilities, we didn't have to produce anything! You've never been out of college! You don't know what it's like out there! I've *worked* in the private sector. They expect *results*.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 17, 2025 12:47 PM (x69Nb)
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Exactly. To the "elites" diplomacy might as well be the boardgame of the same name. People and resources are simply game pieces. Sometime you win, sometimes you lose, but at the end of the day everyone goes home to get ready for the next round tomorrow. Nothing ever gets resolved because no one has any interest in long-term, permanent solutions. Where's the fun in that? Then the game is over!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 17, 2025 12:50 PM (7fElN)

98 91 Once you're in a war, win it.
The time for half assing is over. Put the whole ass on it.

The last time there was a negative consequence for fighting a war at full strength was...1951? And we've lost pretty much every conflict since then that we half assed.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 12:49 PM (t0Rmr)

RIP Douglas MacArthur.
Truman should have given him a-bombs and let him cook.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 12:50 PM (xcxpd)

99 We (the free world) are so close to getting what we want: a pile of dead mullahs and a free Iran

you don't take your foot off the gas until you cross the finish line

Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 12:50 PM (AOsQT)

100 Cool so with Iran out of the way there won't be any destabilizing forces in the region

A new one must be invented! Quickly!

Posted by: Linsey Graham at June 17, 2025 12:51 PM (6bxmr)

101 This is not a hard logical progression. It's nothing he really promised, but it fits with who he is, what he's always said he believed, and how he behaves on the global stage.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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True dat.

Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 12:51 PM (ctrM5)

102 You put your whole ass in
You put your whole ass out...

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at June 17, 2025 12:51 PM (6YdsJ)

103 Jennifer Griffin is another Harvard educated lib. Her husband is an NPR correspondent and former NYT reporter.

You really don’t need to know more…

Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2025 12:51 PM (mFoqI)

104 One thing about Trump is that he doesn't bite his tongue. No one is safe.
Kooky Tucker Carlson. lol

Posted by: redridinghood at June 17, 2025 12:51 PM (NpAcC)

105 I decided Tucker was a flake when he told Rogan that demons and aliens were interdimensional beings that can freely go from one dimension to another. He also said he has no tv or computer and so no email address. But he seems to do an awful lot of tweeting, I guess using his smartphone.

Posted by: Megthered at June 17, 2025 12:51 PM (GOJbT)

106 "It's going to be something when some Iranian terrorist blows himself up in a major American city and we find out he illegally immigrated during the Biden years but only became radicalized once Trump was in office."

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Yep, Tim Walz and Chris Murphy are going to blame MAGA rhetoric and ICE.

Posted by: Jay in PA at June 17, 2025 12:51 PM (9mw3J)

107 62 >>>Ace, i think that question about Gabbard was a set-up. She didn't say they do not have a weapons program, I think she said something like, "they aren't currently building a nuclear weapon."

Okay, thanks for the context. I didn't remember this exchange at all.
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2025 12:46 PM (KRtlO)

I think everyone who works for or with Trump should understand that he's going to pop off with something that sounds insulting if he's temporarily employed - that's just the New York in him, always has been. But if the person takes it and goes on without freaking out, everything can get back to normal. Hell I have some friends where we have a relationship like that (but it's a lot more difficult with women)

Posted by: Tom Servo at June 17, 2025 12:51 PM (uWKK8)

108 The DNI making such a foolish declaration should have been grounds for dismissal. Seriously, Tulsi, WTF?

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at June 17, 2025 12:44 PM (wzAuc)
-

Sarah Ferris
@sarahnferris
2h

DNI Gabbard tells us she and Trump are “on the same page” when it comes to Iran nuclear timeline

“Pres Trump was saying the same thing that I said in my annual threat assessment back in March. Unfortunately too many people in the media don't care to actually read what I said”

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at June 17, 2025 12:51 PM (n+rGF)

109 "Look, Tucker, we need to be pals with all the stuff going on. Look; next time you're in Ukraine let me know, and I'll send a pallet of cash to you. Just hang out by the airport! Away from people, so no one knows what's going on. Love ya! Bye!"

Posted by: Intercepted POTUS 47 conversations at June 17, 2025 12:52 PM (Ft5W9)

110 14 comments before boobs are mentioned. Progress.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 17, 2025 12:43 PM (Dv3i1)

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Meh. Not an art thread.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at June 17, 2025 12:52 PM (wzAuc)

111 Chuck Martel that's staying on topic

Posted by: Skip at June 17, 2025 12:52 PM (+qU29)

112 Pahlavi to speak to the Iranian people in an hour.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2025 12:50 PM

Be a real shame if that broadcast were...interrupted.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2025 12:52 PM (kgE5c)

113 People are only against war when the other side is in charge, it seems.

Trump isn't talking about drafting Americans or starting a nuclear war with another nuclear power like the lefties were with Russia.

Also, Iran has been killing Americans for decades - seeing a third party kick their asses should get support from any American...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 12:52 PM (t0Rmr)

114 78
Tucker Carlson vs. John Bolton, stripped to the waist and wrasslin' to determine interventionism / isolationism.

Broadcast live on ACE! TV.
Posted by: Auspex at June 17, 2025 12:48 PM (j4U/Z)

I didn't vote for this.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 12:52 PM (xcxpd)

115
Makes the Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne look halfway competent.
Posted by: Captain Obvious
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Bonus points for Retief mention. Laumer was a veteran of WWII and became a diplomat. He knew of what he spoke.

Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 12:53 PM (ctrM5)

116 Wow.
Quality pooper.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 12:43 PM

Cheeky lass.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2025 12:45 PM (kgE5c)

I am not usually an ass man. But a well shaped behind is nice.

https://tinyurl.com/mumbrdsx

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:53 PM (bss/y)

117 Good post Ace. Sidenote. I am done going to Gateway Pundit. There's so many freaking antisemites over there. Fck them.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2025 12:53 PM (ewjUl)

118 I'm just trying to imagine what this would look like with Kamala in the presidency.. Or Biden... Trump calls a 3 AM defense meeting after spending all day at the G 7... Kamala would be in a drunken stupor and Joe ?

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2025 12:53 PM (VE6XX)

119 Trump now on X: "UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!"

Posted by: Frasier Crane at June 17, 2025 12:53 PM (bNf8H)

120 Sure, the media, and some here, will still try to misconstrue it, but you do what you can.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 12:50 PM (s8j++)

That's a fair point.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 12:53 PM (lHAAk)

121 With movement of US assets and Trumps rhetoric, it appears a major attack is imminent.
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It'll be interesting tracking DC pizza sales tonight...

Posted by: Crusader at June 17, 2025 12:54 PM (TN0g+)

122 She may simply not have given enough thought to her phrasing. I'm willing to overlook it...this time.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 12:46 PM (s8j++)

What should she have said?

She said 'they're not building a bomb right this minute, but they're damn sure trying to.'
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 12:47 PM (lHAAk)
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That is basically what she said if you read her full response. Ever since the WMD fiasco in Iraq, all the questioning of Trump's people have been gotcha bullshit trying to elicit unequivocal statements of Iran's (or whoever's) capabilities. The object is obviously later to say "Trump lied, people died." So all of his people have to be extra careful and measured what they say. That's what Tulsi did. And they still twisted it and lied about it.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2025 12:54 PM (iFTx/)

123 He also reiterated that Iran was "very close" to having a nuclear weapon before the strikes, and vowed again that Iran would not be permitted to have one.
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Yup. Iran flew too close to the sun.

Instead they will be a lesson for any other enemy who thinks about pursuing nuclear weapons. You won't get there. And the attempt will cost you everything.

Posted by: Methos at June 17, 2025 12:54 PM (Dnobf)

124 Things moving really fast

Trump now calling for Unconditional Surrender
Bombers stationed on Diego Garcia
Pahlavi to speak to the Iranian people in an hour.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)

Not surprised. President Trump gave the mullahs an untenable choice from their point of view. That led right into the predicate that if they don't accept the first predicate, getting rid of all nuclear capability, he's going to blow them up. All this talk about negotiations and stuff. It's so Tucker's feelings aren't hurt.

So who makes the first move to overthrow the mullas? The Revolutionary guard or the military led by the shah in exile?

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at June 17, 2025 12:54 PM (NXz8h)

125 113 People are only against war when the other side is in charge, it seems.

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Ever thus. Wars of choice rather than necessity (being attacked) are always political issues.

Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 12:54 PM (ctrM5)

126 Trump also made another pitch to have Russia rejoin the “G8”.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2025 12:54 PM (mFoqI)

127 Tucker Carlson vs. John Bolton, stripped to the waist and wrasslin' to determine interventionism / isolationism.

Broadcast live on ACE! TV.
Posted by: Auspex at June 17, 2025 12:48 PM (j4U/Z)

I didn't vote for this.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 12:52 PM (xcxpd)

Who would WANT to vote for that?!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:54 PM (bss/y)

128 We're getting close to flaming ayatollah skull territory, aren't we?
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs!
......

complete with burning turban

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2025 12:54 PM (v0R5T)

129
Tucker is a good little spook.
Posted by: kallisto
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High plausibility

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 12:54 PM (Ffc+8)

130 > Tulsi made it clear there is no daylight between her and POTUS. She also said her testimony is “once again” being misconstrued for political purposes.
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People have been parsing the "Iran is/isn't building nuclear weapons" for years. The UN "nuclear watchdog," the IAEA claimed Iran had enriched way more Uranium to a much higher degree than they let on. Enough for (in their words) up to a dozen bombs. In weeks. Not months or years.

They were certainly going to build them. They were certainly going to use them. The only question was whether they'd work as advertised.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2025 12:54 PM (Q4IgG)

131 >Be a real shame if that broadcast were...interrupted.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState
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Pahlavi's one of the good guys here

Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 12:55 PM (AOsQT)

132 The DNI making such a foolish declaration should have been grounds for dismissal. Seriously, Tulsi, WTF?

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at June 17, 2025 12:44 PM (wzAuc)
-

Sarah Ferris
@sarahnferris
2h

DNI Gabbard tells us she and Trump are “on the same page” when it comes to Iran nuclear timeline

“Pres Trump was saying the same thing that I said in my annual threat assessment back in March. Unfortunately too many people in the media don't care to actually read what I said”
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at June 17, 2025 12:51 PM (n+rGF)

--

I stand chastised.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at June 17, 2025 12:55 PM (wzAuc)

133 How about that cease fire and no nukes shit: North Korea. The Kims wore out the Soviets and have about worn out the Red Chinese. They still have crime and the UN. And end to moslem terror sounds better all the time.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at June 17, 2025 12:55 PM (QSrLX)

134 Internet completely down now in Iran.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2025 12:55 PM (t/2Uw)

135 No boots on the ground for the US for me. Mostly because I don't believe the US government has been cleaned up to the point where we will be allowed to win a war. That does not mean we cannot support an ally in war.

Posted by: Ryan Frank at June 17, 2025 12:55 PM (fgmuN)

136 We still need to see Tulsi's rack, maybe in a cage match with Luna.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at June 17, 2025 12:55 PM (sRoQh)

137 That is basically what she said if you read her full response. Ever since the WMD fiasco in Iraq, all the questioning of Trump's people have been gotcha bullshit trying to elicit unequivocal statements of Iran's (or whoever's) capabilities. The object is obviously later to say "Trump lied, people died." So all of his people have to be extra careful and measured what they say. That's what Tulsi did. And they still twisted it and lied about it.

Posted by: Elric Blade

No argument. Just TBC, I'm a big Tulsi fan, so I'm not trying to pile on.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 12:56 PM (s8j++)

138 126 Trump also made another pitch to have Russia rejoin the “G8”.
Posted by: Marcus T
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And to negotiate between Iran and Israel.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 12:56 PM (Ffc+8)

139 134 Internet completely down now in Iran.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2025 12:55 PM (t/2Uw)

I thought Musk was extending his free trial Starlink for Iran?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:56 PM (bss/y)

140 >>DNI Gabbard tells us she and Trump are “on the same page” when it comes to Iran nuclear timeline

Tucker is going to have to take Gabbard out of his Spank Bank, now.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 12:56 PM (uZ2FS)

141 127 Tucker Carlson vs. John Bolton, stripped to the waist and wrasslin' to determine interventionism / isolationism.

Broadcast live on ACE! TV.
Posted by: Auspex at June 17, 2025 12:48 PM (j4U/Z)

I didn't vote for this.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 12:52 PM (xcxpd)

Who would WANT to vote for that?!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:54 PM (bss/y)

Nick Fuentes?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 12:56 PM (xcxpd)

142 The Trump Approach (TM) is the one I voted for.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 17, 2025 12:56 PM (tT6L1)

143 126 Trump also made another pitch to have Russia rejoin the “G8”.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2025 12:54 PM (mFoqI)

Actually he said they shouldn't have tossed them out in the first place but not it's too late for them to put him back.. Said they shouldn't have made him the enemy... I agree...

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2025 12:56 PM (VE6XX)

144 So who makes the first move to overthrow the mullas? The Revolutionary guard or the military led by the shah in exile?
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram
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Whoever has the enough power to thwart a civil war. Otherwise you get a situation like Libya after Quadaffi.

Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 12:57 PM (ctrM5)

145 If Americans get dragged into a war and start dying Republicans are going to lose the midterms and trump along with other trumpers in his administration will be going to jail. If Israel can knock out the Iranian leadership great, if they are as hated as everyone keeps saying why risk hitting civilians? The civilians should be able to take it from here no?

Posted by: Whirligiginator at June 17, 2025 12:57 PM (k8QNH)

146 The same guys n' gals that can hoax up pagers into Grim Beepers and denut Hamassholes across the region and I'm supposed to believe that:

-They can't get their grubbies on a couple of bunker busters? What, we didn't leave a few in Afghanistan when Joey Bye-Bye did the bug-out boogie?

-Ditto with something with enough lift to fly it over Ayatollah Gardens and make with the boom? When they pretty much have air superiority?

I guess it's just supposed to be a surprise.

Posted by: William F. 'Buck' Dharma at June 17, 2025 12:57 PM (Ft5W9)

147 Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at June 17, 2025 12:55 PM (sRoQh)

"We?" I don't .

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2025 12:57 PM (2GCMq)

148 Tucker Carlson vs. John Bolton, stripped to the waist and wrasslin' to determine interventionism / isolationism.

I never realized that was pretty up on my list of "shit I never want to see" until just now.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 12:57 PM (t0Rmr)

149 They were certainly going to build them. They were certainly going to use them. The only question was whether they'd work as advertised.

Anyone who argues with this is not a serious person.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 12:57 PM (s8j++)

150 Internet completely down now in Iran.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2025 12:55 PM (t/2Uw)

No more cat videos! During Pride Month too!

Shame.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 17, 2025 12:57 PM (x69Nb)

151 Actually he said they shouldn't have tossed them out in the first place but not it's too late for them to put him back.. Said they shouldn't have made him the enemy... I agree...
Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2025 12:56 PM (VE6XX)

"now" not not..

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2025 12:57 PM (VE6XX)

152 Vivid.🇮🇱
@VividProwess
🚨BREAKING: USAF B-52 Bombers are now at Diego Garcia Base on the Indian Ocean island, within flying range of Iran, according to Pentagon sources.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2025 12:57 PM (t/2Uw)

153 Nick Fuentes?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 12:56 PM (xcxpd)

Which one is that? Is he the one who drops N bombs all the time or the one who looks like a gay Ricky Martin?

Gayer.

Well, maybe just as gay.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:57 PM (bss/y)

154 A potential test for this - give me a realistic, positive outcome of any conflict that you want American to participate in that gives DIRECT benefits to the American people.

Iran has long, reportedly, been the chief instigator of anti-American terrorist activity. I have no issues with minor US involvement in spanking Iran. I have no issues with minor US involvement in removal of the Ayatollahs from power along with a stern "don't make me come back" to whomever replaces them.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 12:58 PM (ExV1e)

155 143 126 Trump also made another pitch to have Russia rejoin the “G8”.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2025 12:54 PM (mFoqI)

Actually he said they shouldn't have tossed them out in the first place but not it's too late for them to put him back.. Said they shouldn't have made him the enemy... I agree...
Posted by: It's me donna
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Separating Russia from Iran and China requires giving them a bone.

Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 12:58 PM (ctrM5)

156 basically Tucker and the hyper-isolationists are demanding that Trump do what Obama did -- intervene to SAVE the Iranian theocracy.

One does begin to wonder why they would make that a priority.

Posted by: ace at June 17, 2025 12:58 PM (KRtlO)

157 >>Internet completely down now in Iran.

The Goats of OnlyFans, Hardest Hit.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 12:58 PM (uZ2FS)

158 The Trump of competitive eating.

Legendary Competitive Eater Joey Chestnut Returns to Coney Island for Nathan’s Hot Dog Contest Following Ban

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 17, 2025 12:58 PM (L/fGl)

159 The nuclear inspection arm of the UN, I think it was, threw up its hands and pretty much said they were done with Iran due to their constant lying about their nuclear program.

As insty put it, "If you've lost the UN....."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 17, 2025 12:58 PM (tT6L1)

160 Not even Biden could get American boots in Ukraine, and the whole bipartisan world of the military industrial complex desperately wanted that to happen.

It seems...doubtful that Trump decides to put American boots on the ground in Iran.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 12:58 PM (GBKbO)

161 Be a real shame if that broadcast were...interrupted.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState
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Pahlavi's one of the good guys here
Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 12:55 PM

Sorry - brain cramp. I'm multitasking.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2025 12:58 PM (kgE5c)

162 Anyone remember the Persian students complaining about Savak while behaving like monkeys on a banana boat? The Tri Delts would blush. Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at June 17, 2025 12:59 PM (QSrLX)

163 @VividProwess
🚨BREAKING: USAF B-52 Bombers are now at Diego Garcia Base on the Indian Ocean island, within flying range of Iran, according to Pentagon sources.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2025 12:57 PM (t/2Uw)

Were gonna drop the MOAB's

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2025 12:59 PM (VE6XX)

164 Makes the Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne look halfway competent.
Posted by: Captain Obvious
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Bonus points for Retief mention. Laumer was a veteran of WWII and became a diplomat. He knew of what he spoke.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 12:53 PM (ctrM5)

Really good, really funny series.
Any moron would enjoy.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 12:59 PM (xcxpd)

165 If Americans get dragged into a war

Its a long cold wet walk from Tehran to Memphis

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 12:59 PM (t0Rmr)

166 If Americans get dragged into a war and start dying Republicans are going to lose the midterms and trump along with other trumpers in his administration will be going to jail.

Your concern is noted.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 12:59 PM (s8j++)

167 Kooky Kooky lend me your comb.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Sadly, Edd Byrnes passed on in 2020.

Posted by: 77 Sunset Strip at June 17, 2025 12:59 PM (G5+As)

168 Iran claiming the internet is down due to a cyberattack but it comes right after Pahlavi, the King of Iran, announces a speech in an hour right after Trump calls for Unconditional Surrender.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2025 12:59 PM (t/2Uw)

169 "Trump has never signed on to the hyper-isolationist's platform"

Good. Neither did I or a lot of Americans. No one wants another war, but the idea of the MOTHERFUCKING IRANIANS have a nuke is so horrifying I don't even want to think about it. Russia is mostly a rational actor and NK is a dysfunctional basket case state. Iran has a global network of kill crazy proxies who would absolutely detonate a dirty bomb in Manhattan is given the chance.

Posted by: UGAdawg at June 17, 2025 12:59 PM (f70Xg)

170 156 basically Tucker and the hyper-isolationists are demanding that Trump do what Obama did -- intervene to SAVE the Iranian theocracy.

One does begin to wonder why they would make that a priority.
Posted by: ace at June 17, 2025 12:58 PM (KRtlO)

How about 'no'?

They can 'save' themselves any time they want.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:59 PM (bss/y)

171 Separating Russia from Iran and China requires giving them a bone.

perfectly stated

and btw, Iran is simply a satrapy of China

this is a single war

with China

I used to say the US was also a satrapy; and sectors of the US definitely are, but we are trying to separate

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 17, 2025 12:59 PM (Pv3Rg)

172 Internet completely down now in Iran.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
......

Goat pron sites hardest hit.

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2025 01:00 PM (v0R5T)

173 I read somewhere that the B-52 bombers were necessary to drop Bunker Buster bombs and that the Israelis didn;t have any.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2025 01:00 PM (t/2Uw)

174 Separating Russia from Iran and China requires giving them a bone.

Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 12:58 PM (ctrM5)0

True.. The agreeing I was doing was they shouldn't have made Russia the enemy...

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2025 01:00 PM (VE6XX)

175 Were gonna drop the MOAB's

hells to the yeah donna!

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 17, 2025 01:01 PM (Pv3Rg)

176 >> Separating Russia from Iran and China requires giving them a bone.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 12:58 PM (ctrM5)

There are a lot of people in Russian leadership who are not happy with the China relationship. They don’t trust them- and they shouldn’t. Russia is also losing substantial influence in the ME. With Syria gone and now Iran, plus their client states, it’s the dawn of a new age.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2025 01:01 PM (mFoqI)

177 145 If Americans get dragged into a war and start dying Republicans are going to lose the midterms and trump along with other trumpers in his administration will be going to jail. If Israel can knock out the Iranian leadership great, if they are as hated as everyone keeps saying why risk hitting civilians? The civilians should be able to take it from here no?
Posted by: Whirligiginator

Aerial war is a bit different in political consequences than occupation. Had GWB ended the second Gulf War without extended occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan trying to convert them into a democracy, the GOP would not have suffered much if at all politically.

Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 01:01 PM (ctrM5)

178 Separating Russia from Iran and China requires giving them a bone.
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Yep. China and Dems in deep shit. Too bad, really.

Posted by: pudinhead at June 17, 2025 01:01 PM (FmapG)

179 REAKING: USAF B-52 Bombers are now at Diego Garcia Base on the Indian Ocean island, within flying range of Iran, according to Pentagon sources.

Honest question: Why would you use a B-52 and not a stealthy B-21 of B-2? Yes, Iran's air defense system has been degraded, but in this case, you'd need to fly almost directly over Fordow or other targets, because you can't launch a MOP from far away.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 01:01 PM (s8j++)

180 Trump has ratcheted up leverage in every way possible. And he's given the Mullahs a Donfather offer they can't refuse so to speak. You might as well announce he's got the B2s in the air.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at June 17, 2025 01:01 PM (NXz8h)

181 165 If Americans get dragged into a war

Its a long cold wet walk from Tehran to Memphis
Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 12:59 PM (t0Rmr)

CC: Mark Cohn

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 01:01 PM (xcxpd)

182 IMO, the 'hyper-isolationists' on X are mostly bots.

It's long past time to kick Jimmy Carter's mistake into the ash heap, AND smash the web of betrayal that Obama weaved.

There will be NO PEACE until The Twelvers that have been tormenting & exploiting Iran are history...finish them rightly, Trump.

Make Persia Great Again.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at June 17, 2025 01:01 PM (XjTSo)

183 Paul A. Szypula
@Bubblebathgirl
New York City’s comptroller, mayoral candidate Brad Lander, arrested at immigration court for interfering with ICE.

Nobody is above the law.

https://tinyurl.com/vzjwzezp

Posted by: redridinghood at June 17, 2025 01:02 PM (NpAcC)

184
Amichai Stein@AmichaiStein1 . 6m
This is a very significant statement from the Vice President: shows that Trump is close to a decision - either a deal or a bomb

JD Vance@JDVance . 33m
Look, I'm seeing this from the inside, and am admittedly biased towards our president (and my friend), but there's a lot of crazy stuff on social media, so I wanted to address some things directly on the Iran issue:

First, https://tinyurl.com/w3buc8en

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 01:02 PM (Ffc+8)

185 There are a lot of people in Russian leadership who are not happy with the China relationship. They don’t trust them- and they shouldn’t. Russia is also losing substantial influence in the ME. With Syria gone and now Iran, plus their client states, it’s the dawn of a new age.
Posted by: Marcus T
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Putin is more of a realist than Xi.

Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 01:02 PM (ctrM5)

186 The DNI making such a foolish declaration should have been grounds for dismissal. Seriously, Tulsi, WTF?

I'm open to the possibility of it having been a strategic, um, "misdirection." The other thing to remember is that the Director is not personally gathering information. He can only assess the information that his subordinate officers bring him and we know, or at least strongly believe, that the Deep State remains entrenched in the staff.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 17, 2025 01:02 PM (/y8xj)

187 If we drop anything it’s going to be MOP’s on nuke sites.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2025 01:02 PM (mFoqI)

188 Too slow once again.

Posted by: wth at June 17, 2025 01:03 PM (v0R5T)

189 Trump now on X: "UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!"
Posted by: Frasier Crane
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I endorse that as a goal, but not so much as an overtly expressed policy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 17, 2025 01:03 PM (XeU6L)

190 Good. Neither did I or a lot of Americans. No one wants another war, but the idea of the MOTHERFUCKING IRANIANS have a nuke is so horrifying I don't even want to think about it. Russia is mostly a rational actor and NK is a dysfunctional basket case state. Iran has a global network of kill crazy proxies who would absolutely detonate a dirty bomb in Manhattan is given the chance.
Posted by: UGAdawg at June 17, 2025 12:59 PM

Same here. Don't post that over at Gateway Pundit. there's some racist antisemite shitbags over there.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2025 01:03 PM (ewjUl)

191 111 Chuck Martel that's staying on topic
Posted by: Skip

I stand corrected. Carry on.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 17, 2025 01:03 PM (Dv3i1)

192 168 Iran claiming the internet is down due to a cyberattack but it comes right after Pahlavi, the King of Iran, announces a speech in an hour right after Trump calls for Unconditional Surrender.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
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Thought Trump wants them dead.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 01:03 PM (Ffc+8)

193 I read somewhere that the B-52 bombers were necessary to drop Bunker Buster bombs and that the Israelis didn;t have any.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2025 01:00 PM (t/2Uw)

The really big one needs a B2. There are smaller ones that can be dropped from an F-15 though.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 17, 2025 01:03 PM (x69Nb)

194 I remain amazed that Turkey has stayed quiet throughout this entire episode.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 01:03 PM (uZ2FS)

195 I bet they find the enriched centrifuges right next to Saddam's WMDs.

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy at June 17, 2025 01:03 PM (/4+8Z)

196 DIME

Peace Through Strength

Deterrence

Posted by: Cow Demon at June 17, 2025 01:04 PM (2Rbgs)

197 When Trump says an end, he means the end of the mullacracy in Iran.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at June 17, 2025 01:04 PM (pohLc)

198 Posted by: Oddbob at June 17, 2025 01:02 PM (/y8xj)

Gabbard said it was the assessment of the intelligence community that "Iran is not currently building a nuclear weapon."

She also said: "Iran's enriched uranium stockpile is at its highest levels and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons."

All of that appears to be entirely accurate. Iran wasn't (and probably still isn't) 'currently building' a nuclear weapon. They very much were sprinting towards the capability to do so with every available resource, and every indicator is that they were trying to get to a place where they COULD be 'currently building' a nuclear wepon.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 01:04 PM (lHAAk)

199 Honest question: Why would you use a B-52 and not a stealthy B-21 of B-2? Yes, Iran's air defense system has been degraded, but in this case, you'd need to fly almost directly over Fordow or other targets, because you can't launch a MOP from far away.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Show of force or misreporting. B-2's were already reported to be at Diego Garcia as well as some reports of B-1's.

This may be a situation where reporters make Glocks synonymous with all handguns.

Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 01:04 PM (ctrM5)

200 186 The DNI making such a foolish declaration should have been grounds for dismissal. Seriously, Tulsi, WTF?
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She said it in March.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 01:04 PM (Ffc+8)

201 The Iranian regime has always had to buy expertise, rather than come up with it themselves. They are kind of morons like that. (present company excepted).

I mean, this is a regime that didn't find an IDF drone factory in a Tehran office building.

IMO any Iranian nuke could be a 50/50 dud. But, let's not find out.

Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 01:04 PM (AOsQT)

202 Also, it bears repeating that then candidate Trump was asked what the biggest threat to the economy was. He didn't say inflation, or debt, or unemployment. He said "Nuclear war".

He's absolutely serious about avoiding nuclear war by dialing things back with Russia, and preventing Iran from getting to the point that they could inflict it.

Posted by: Methos at June 17, 2025 01:04 PM (Dnobf)

203 People are only against war when the other side is in charge, it seems.
Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at June 17, 2025 12:50 PM (ERYKL)

As was stated in the previous thread "... different conflicts with different motivations and different strategic considerations for us."

I am opposed to US involvement in the Russia / Ukraine thing. I am opposed because Russia isn't our enemy, Ukraine isn't our ally, and we pretty much set up the entire conflict in the first place. Precisely zero of those things is true where Israel / Iran is concerned.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 01:04 PM (ExV1e)

204 still love Tulsi

we knew ages ago - I think they even said it! - the the left's play was going to be to go after the cabinet

don't let it work

it's dumb anyway

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 17, 2025 01:05 PM (Pv3Rg)

205 I am old enough to remember in 2015 when Trump won the R nomination in a very crowded field with two dramatic policy breaks from the R party.

1) building a wall on our southern border and stopping massive illegal immigration
And
2) that the Iraq war was a mistake and the intel agencies lied about WMDs to start a war and that our leaders were stupid for getting involved in endless wars.

Annnnd here we are with WMDs in Iraq part two not even ten years later. And it seems no one has learned anything and Trump is now parroting the talking points. How long until the Iranian people welcome us as liberators in the streets of Tehran? Lets see if dick cheney will come back from the D side to sell us on another middle eastern war that never ends and results in no victory. In fact we should see if condi rice and Colin Powell and the gang are still alive and get the band back together.

For fucks sake.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 17, 2025 01:05 PM (zuAlv)

206 All of that appears to be entirely accurate. Iran wasn't (and probably still isn't) 'currently building' a nuclear weapon. They very much were sprinting towards the capability to do so with every available resource, and every indicator is that they were trying to get to a place where they COULD be 'currently building' a nuclear wepon.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider
===========
I can tell you have experience in parsing bureaucratic language to decipher the Subtext.

Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 01:05 PM (ctrM5)

207 >> Putin is more of a realist than Xi.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 01:02 PM (ctrM5)

I think he’s a bit of a megalomaniac. He believes in conquest and Ukraine was just an excuse to do what he’s already been doing. That’s why his demands to end the war look more like a hostage list of demands. So in that regard- no.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2025 01:05 PM (mFoqI)

208 golly, be a real shame if a GBU-57 or two just happened to fall out of a plane over Fordow (I thought it was Natanz?) ... y'know, all accidental like ... and then it happened again the next day just to bounce the rubble extra good ...

with no press conferences, no nothin', not even a Bart Simpson "I didn't do it". just somehow it appears as though there's now a 2 kilometer deep pit where that facility used to be.
Huh, imagine that! Whodathunkit?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 17, 2025 01:05 PM (/Ghsb)

209 JD Vance@JDVance . 33m
Look, I'm seeing this from the inside, and am admittedly biased towards our president (and my friend), but there's a lot of crazy stuff on social media, so I wanted to address some things directly on the Iran issue:

First, https://tinyurl.com/w3buc8en
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 01:02 PM (Ffc+

Link does not contain a hot chick's ass but does have good information. I hope J. D. Vance has a long, happy political career in front of him.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 01:05 PM (xcxpd)

210 Make it so simple even an eight year old knows exactly what you mean.

It was Congressional testimony. That might still be too advanced.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 01:05 PM (ExV1e)

211 Iran has been tormenting the world for 50 years. Fomenting revolutions, terrorism, etc. It is now time for that to end.

What that means is hard to say, but at the moment, Israel has unfettered access to Iranian skies and can bomb anything they please.

So, take out the trash. At least take another week

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at June 17, 2025 01:06 PM (gDhA9)

212 185 There are a lot of people in Russian leadership who are not happy with the China relationship. They don’t trust them- and they shouldn’t. Russia is also losing substantial influence in the ME. With Syria gone and now Iran, plus their client states, it’s the dawn of a new age.
Posted by: Marcus T
========
Putin is more of a realist than Xi.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 01:02 PM (ctrM5)

Just looking at history, Russia should never trust China.

Posted by: Cow Demon at June 17, 2025 01:06 PM (2Rbgs)

213 Speaking of Turkey, it seems the US actually told Turkey about the attacks before Israel started:

https://is.gd/uGpqhZ

That Turkey and Iran are different types of Muslim probably helped Turkey decide, "Yeah, fuck Iran."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:06 PM (GBKbO)

214 Trump should quote some Megadeth at Iran.

"The quickest way to end the war is lose."

You could have peace by dinner if you really wanted it.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at June 17, 2025 12:45 PM (q6XPQ)

Offer unconditional surrender. I'm sure Trump and Israel would take it.

Posted by: Methos at June 17, 2025 01:06 PM (Dnobf)

215 Be a real shame if that broadcast were...interrupted.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2025 12:52 PM (kgE5c)

Pahlavi may be the closest thing to a good guy, as far as Iranians go. Hear him out.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 17, 2025 01:06 PM (VWiqT)

216 >>For fucks sake.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 17, 2025 01:05 PM (zuAlv)

You sound like you need a Snickers and a Midol.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 01:06 PM (uZ2FS)

217 Stealth bomber - stealth bomb.

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at June 17, 2025 01:07 PM (gDhA9)

218 The grounds for the war in Iraq should never have been WMD - it should have been that Iraq was giving shelter to AQ and was directly engaged in attacks on America.

And of course the goal should have been to kill the Iraqi leadership, not bring them Western "democracy"

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 01:07 PM (t0Rmr)

219 I was never a Tucker Carlson fan in the same way I was never a Jonah Goldberg fan.

To be fair I pretty much don't like political pundits. Just some a lot less than others.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 01:07 PM (VofaG)

220 He sounds more & more BELLICOSE to me, from minute to minute almost.

I was surprised, borderline shocked, when he referred to the U.S. and Israel as "we"! "WE have complete air superiority over Iran."

Just a couple of days ago, he & his besties went to great lengths to differentiate what Israel was doing from what the U.S. was doing.

Posted by: mnw at June 17, 2025 01:08 PM (kd60y)

221 Also, it bears repeating that then candidate Trump was asked what the biggest threat to the economy was. He didn't say inflation, or debt, or unemployment. He said "Nuclear war".

He's absolutely serious about avoiding nuclear war by dialing things back with Russia, and preventing Iran from getting to the point that they could inflict it.
Posted by: Methos at June 17, 2025 01:04 PM (Dnobf)
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I think President Trump mentioned brought up nuclear war during his appearance on Joe Rogan. Also, unlike the feckless idiots who infest DC, President Tump understands the Mullahs cannot be reasoned with.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 17, 2025 01:08 PM (tT6L1)

222 The Trump recession.

Michigan Only at 4% of Their 2023 EV Target

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 17, 2025 01:08 PM (L/fGl)

223 Just looking at history, Russia should never trust China.
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China wants the Russian Far East in the worst kind of way.

Posted by: pudinhead at June 17, 2025 01:08 PM (FmapG)

224 Pahlavi to speak to the Iranian people in an hour.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2025 12:50 PM

Be a real shame if that broadcast were...interrupted.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 17, 2025 12:52 PM (kgE5c)

Why would we want to interrupt it? Pahlavi is the Shah, he provides the Iranian people a rallying point against the mullahs.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 01:08 PM (ExV1e)

225 213 Speaking of Turkey, it seems the US actually told Turkey about the attacks before Israel started:
______

And yet Britain was left out of the loop. Sucks to be that turd Starmer. I wonder what he was thinking in the vid included in the post above. He's the douche standing next to Trump at the G7 (formerly G

meeting.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 17, 2025 01:08 PM (Dv3i1)

226 Supporting the Mullahs over the King in Iran was one of the biggest foreign policy mistakes in American history

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 01:08 PM (t0Rmr)

227 >Make Persia Great Again.
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because Persian women are hot and the world needs to see them

https://tinyurl.com/4hb9e89f

Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 01:08 PM (AOsQT)

228 Trump is not going to get an *end* to this conflict, it has been going on for over 2,000 years. And it will keep going on for the next 2,000 years or until islam is completely removed from the earth.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 17, 2025 01:09 PM (e5NfL)

229 Annnnd here we are with WMDs in Iraq part two not even ten years later. And it seems no one has learned anything and Trump is now parroting the talking points. How long until the Iranian people welcome us as liberators in the streets of Tehran? Lets see if dick cheney will come back from the D side to sell us on another middle eastern war that never ends and results in no victory. In fact we should see if condi rice and Colin Powell and the gang are still alive and get the band back together.

Who has said such a thing? I don't care what the Iranians think of me as long as they stop being such a bunch of genocidal lunatics. However, it's my guess that most of them would like to rejoin the civilized world, although that won't happen until the mullahs are toast.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 01:09 PM (s8j++)

230 What is the job that needs to be finished? Is that clear-cut?

Posted by: Oglebay at June 17, 2025 01:09 PM (MMp6W)

231 Annnnd here we are with WMDs in Iraq part two not even ten years later. And it seems no one has learned anything and Trump is now parroting the talking points. How long until the Iranian people welcome us as liberators in the streets of Tehran? Lets see if dick cheney will come back from the D side to sell us on another middle eastern war that never ends and results in no victory. In fact we should see if condi rice and Colin Powell and the gang are still alive and get the band back together.

For fucks sake.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

Not quite. Comparison with Iraq is more apples and oranges. Saddam had no working reactor as does Iran, inadequate and aging delivery systems via missiles, and slight if any confirmed nuclear enrichment centrifuges.

Iran has confirmed it has centrifuges for enriching uranium specifically and has specifically rejected attempts to limit the degree of enriching well beyond that needed for nuclear fuel.

A lot of the WMD talk about Iraq was related more to chemical and perhaps biological weapons. Apparently from post war interviews, even a lot of Saddam's officers believed that they had them during the Second Gulf War.

Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 01:09 PM (ctrM5)

232 The grounds for the war in Iraq should never have been WMD - it should have been that Iraq was giving shelter to AQ and was directly engaged in attacks on America.

And of course the goal should have been to kill the Iraqi leadership, not bring them Western "democracy"
Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 01:07 PM (t0Rmr)

There were 17 violations of the UN agreement which included more than just WMD violations.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 01:09 PM (VofaG)

233 he grounds for the war in Iraq should never have been WMD - it should have been that Iraq was giving shelter to AQ and was directly engaged in attacks on America.
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WMD was just one of seven reasons enumerated in the AUMF. One lefty columnist (Ignatius?) complained that Bush had "too many" reasons for going to war. History then got retconned.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at June 17, 2025 01:10 PM (6YdsJ)

234 192 - Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025

'Thought Trump wants them dead.'

The sane Iranians will sort that out themselves...

Posted by: CPT. Charles at June 17, 2025 01:10 PM (XjTSo)

235 NAACP Spurns President After Trump Earns Highest Black Support for GOP in Decades

Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 01:10 PM (RHGPo)

236 Tucker is too caught up in his fixation with Israel as the source of all worldly woes to understand what Trump is trying to do.

Posted by: Ordinary American at June 17, 2025 01:10 PM (x2CMu)

237 >Supporting the Mullahs over the King in Iran was one of the biggest foreign policy mistakes in American history

Posted by: 18-1
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Jimmy Carter's work

Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 01:10 PM (AOsQT)

238
He's absolutely serious about avoiding nuclear war by dialing things back with Russia, and preventing Iran from getting to the point that they could inflict it.
Posted by: Methos at June 17, 2025 01:04 PM (Dnobf)

I still can't get over all the twitteridiots calling for nuclear war located in DC/NYC. Their argument? If we nuke Russia the Russians will be so fearful they'll back down immediately.

And when you'd point out, no, the response from Russia would be nuking YOU their answer was "his nukes don't even work"

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 01:10 PM (t0Rmr)

239 235 NAACP Spurns President After Trump Earns Highest Black Support for GOP in Decades
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 01:10 PM (RHGPo)

Of course they did...

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2025 01:11 PM (VE6XX)

240 230 What is the job that needs to be finished? Is that clear-cut?
Posted by: Oglebay
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Fordow enrichment plant. That is the nut toughest to crack on ending the mullah's nuclear dreams and Israel simply does not have the delivery systems to penetrate something like 200 m of rock. Think penetrating NORAD in Cheyenne Mountain for comparison.

Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 01:11 PM (ctrM5)

241 228 Trump is not going to get an *end* to this conflict, it has been going on for over 2,000 years. And it will keep going on for the next 2,000 years or until islam is completely removed from the earth.
____

*checks calendar*

Closer to 1400 if you mean the muzzies.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 17, 2025 01:11 PM (Dv3i1)

242 A lot of military aircraft in the air stateside. Even an F5.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 17, 2025 01:11 PM (P9gC0)

243 Get the band back up would need jurassic park science.
Save the resurrections for The Band.

Posted by: Dreamingrobot at June 17, 2025 01:11 PM (6cJKR)

244 because Persian women are hot and the world needs to see them

https://tinyurl.com/4hb9e89f

I mean, DAUYUM!

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 01:11 PM (s8j++)

245
Xi is reportedly on his way out.

Even the CCP is getting scared of how Chynah is collapsing.

Posted by: Auspex at June 17, 2025 01:11 PM (j4U/Z)

246 No Islamic theocracy shouldhave the ability to destroy civilization. They care nothing for human life. The goal of their religion is subjugation of the entire human race or die trying. Success or death equal. If you succeed in ruling the planet fine. If you don;t, go to Allah and collect your reward anyways. But Jihad is their way of life. Nothinig else matters. They cannot ever be in possession of a nuclear bomb.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2025 01:11 PM (t/2Uw)

247 J.D. Vance writes well well. Most intelligent and articulate VP I have seen for a long time.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2025 01:11 PM (KrBYw)

248 Trump now on X: "UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!"
Posted by: Frasier Crane at June 17, 2025 12:53 PM (bNf8H)

Well, shit, lol, he beat me to it.

Posted by: Methos at June 17, 2025 01:12 PM (Dnobf)

249 NAACP Spurns President After Trump Earns Highest Black Support for GOP in Decades
___

Our appeal is becoming more selective.
-NAACP

Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 17, 2025 01:12 PM (Dv3i1)

250 239 235 NAACP Spurns President After Trump Earns Highest Black Support for GOP in Decades
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 01:10 PM (RHGPo)

Of course they did...
Posted by: It's me donna
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Like the SPLC, the NAACP is a dying brand with newer generations and about as relevant as MSNBC nowadays.

Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 01:12 PM (ctrM5)

251
You sound like you need a Snickers and a Midol.
Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 01:06 PM (uZ2FS)

How so? Because I think endless wars is a horrible thing morally is horrible for the American middle class and only serves to strengthen and enrich the deep state?

You know the things Trump was saying back in 2015 and 2016 and as recently as a year ago?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 17, 2025 01:12 PM (zuAlv)

252 The young Shah should be kept 5 country miles away from ANYTHING Trump & Israel are doing or planning.

The late Shah is still about as popular as COVID was.

Posted by: mnw at June 17, 2025 01:12 PM (kd60y)

253 I thought Musk was extending his free trial Starlink for Iran?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at June 17, 2025 12:56 PM (bss/y)

Gotta have a receiver for that though.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 01:12 PM (ExV1e)

254 Annnnd here we are with WMDs in Iraq part two not even ten years later. And it seems no one has learned anything and Trump is now parroting the talking points.

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And what if all we do is drop a few bunker busters?

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at June 17, 2025 01:12 PM (sX1BW)

255 > Honest question: Why would you use a B-52 and not a stealthy B-21 of B-2? Yes, Iran's air defense system has been degraded, but in this case, you'd need to fly almost directly over Fordow or other targets, because you can't launch a MOP from far away.
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The B-21 isn't operational yet.

The B-2 needs to "taken care of." Needs shelter or it's stealth coating deteriorates and there's only 4 of those shelters on DG. Plus, the BUFF's can carry more bombs than either the B-2 or B-1B's.

But the B-2 is (I think) the only aircraft that can deliver the "Massive Ordinance Penetrator" bunker buster.

Even if the warplan is to use the B-2 and MOP they'd either have to load one here in the states, fly it to Iran, drop it, and then either return here or land elsewhere. And you'd fly more than one, in case there was a mishap with one delivery system enroute.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2025 01:12 PM (Q4IgG)

256 "And of course the goal should have been to kill the Iraqi leadership, not bring them Western "democracy""

Which is where everything went sideways. The US crushed the Hussein military in what, 5-6 weeks? Then tried to do the impossible and let the insurgency run wild. America is good at war but not so much on occupations.

Posted by: UGAdawg at June 17, 2025 01:12 PM (f70Xg)

257 246 No Islamic theocracy shouldhave the ability to destroy civilization. They care nothing for human life. The goal of their religion is subjugation of the entire human race or die trying. Success or death equal. If you succeed in ruling the planet fine. If you don;t, go to Allah and collect your reward anyways. But Jihad is their way of life. Nothinig else matters. They cannot ever be in possession of a nuclear bomb.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
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Too late, Pakistan has multiple atomic weapons plus delivery systems via missiles and aircraft. Last estimated count I saw was something like seventy or more.

Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 01:13 PM (ctrM5)

258 There may or may not have been a unit that once rolled into an ancient village in Asia blasting Slipknot on the speaker…and a PAO just shaking her head.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2025 01:13 PM (mFoqI)

259 J.D. Vance writes well well. Most intelligent and articulate VP I have seen for a long time.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2025 01:11 PM

Agreed. As of now, he is my 2028 hopeful.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2025 01:13 PM (ewjUl)

260 135 No boots on the ground for the US for me. Mostly because I don't believe the US government has been cleaned up to the point where we will be allowed to win a war. That does not mean we cannot support an ally in war.
Posted by: Ryan Frank at June 17, 2025 12:55 PM (fgmuN)

None for me because right now it will be a hindrance, not a help. I want to see Iran straighten itself out but that must be as organic as possible.

Posted by: Cow Demon at June 17, 2025 01:13 PM (2Rbgs)

261 Fordow enrichment plant. That is the nut toughest to crack on ending the mullah's nuclear dreams and Israel simply does not have the delivery systems to penetrate something like 200 m of rock. Think penetrating NORAD in Cheyenne Mountain for comparison.

Just a quick note: I've seen estimates that Fordow is both 300' and 300 meters deep. I'll think we have to assume the latter.

The Fordow nuclear facility in Iran is situated approximately 80 to 90 meters (around 262 to 295 feet) beneath the ground, according to CNN. This depth is intended to provide protection from aerial bombardment.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 01:14 PM (s8j++)

262 >>> 183 Paul A. Szypula
@Bubblebathgirl
New York City’s comptroller, mayoral candidate Brad Lander, arrested at immigration court for interfering with ICE.

Nobody is above the law.

https://tinyurl.com/vzjwzezp
Posted by: redridinghood at June 17, 2025 01:02 PM (NpAcC)

Election Interference!

REEEEE!!!

Posted by: leftists at June 17, 2025 01:14 PM (ULPxl)

263 >>How so? Because I think endless wars is a horrible thing morally is horrible for the American middle class and only serves to strengthen and enrich the deep state?

Mostly because you sound like a Gender Studies Graduate Student on her Period.

I thought that was obvious from the Midol ref?

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 01:14 PM (uZ2FS)

264
Which is where everything went sideways. The US crushed the Hussein military in what, 5-6 weeks? Then tried to do the impossible and let the insurgency run wild. America is good at war but not so much on occupations.

Insurgents aren't too effective when you just level bomb the villages they are living in, instead of sending Private Joe to go get shot by them while he is trying to "arrest" terrorists.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 01:14 PM (t0Rmr)

265 'I remain amazed that Turkey has stayed quiet throughout this entire episode.' -- garrett at June 17, 2025 01:03 PM

Erdogan is not idiot; not attracting the lion's gaze is a smart move.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at June 17, 2025 01:14 PM (XjTSo)

266 251

https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/132495976639377408

Trump has been quite consistent about Iran and nuclear weapons, almost as consistent as he's been about tariffs and trade.

Posted by: the lower depths at June 17, 2025 01:14 PM (+b4rY)

267 Miss Iran 2024

https://tinyurl.com/t8cedzwd

Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 01:15 PM (AOsQT)

268 @254

>>And what if all we do is drop a few bunker busters?

Bunker Busters are not going tog get it done, the facilities are too deep.

You need squadrons of attack Ocelots dropped in by Zeppelin's so that they can infiltrate and destroy these underground facilities.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 01:15 PM (XV/Pl)

269 Who has said such a thing? I don't care what the Iranians think of me as long as they stop being such a bunch of genocidal lunatics. However, it's my guess that most of them would like to rejoin the civilized world, although that won't happen until the mullahs are toast.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 01:09 PM (s8j++)

Dick Cheney said that about Iraq. I assume it will be said about Iran if it hasnt already since the deep state is running almost exactly the same playbook here.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 17, 2025 01:15 PM (zuAlv)

270
Enterprising media types (social or mainstream) should be in Beverly Hills right now. It's full of first-and second-generation Iranian refugees and I bet that tiny city is pulsing with excitement over the Pahlavis.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 17, 2025 01:15 PM (wbZPZ)

271 245
Xi is reportedly on his way out.

Even the CCP is getting scared of how Chynah is collapsing.
Posted by: Auspex
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Mebbe, mebbe not. We used to speculate all the time about Kremlin leaders as who was up and down. I think deciphering Chinese power structures under CCP rule is far worse for outsiders and thanks to the CIA's network of spies being rolled up about a decade ago, we are essentially in the dark about such things.

Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 01:15 PM (ctrM5)

272 The Israel Defense Forces launched a strike on Saturday targeting the military leader of the Houthis, the Yemeni rebel group, according to multiple reports from Israeli media.

According to a report from the Jerusalem Post, Muhammad Abd al Karim al Ghamari, the chief of staff for the Houthis, was the main target of the strike. It is unclear at this time whether al Ghamari was killed in the attack.

... wonder how long before the Houthis get resupplied

Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 01:16 PM (RHGPo)

273 Nobody is above the law.

Two Americas.

Grandma Jane protesting a stolen election gets beaten to death, corrupt pol interfering with the government stopping an invasion will get, at worst, a slap on the wrist.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 01:16 PM (t0Rmr)

274 The Pahlavi "princess" just married a Jew. If Iranians rally around the Shah, it could be the beginning of a real change in the Middle East.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2025 01:16 PM (t/2Uw)

275 115 - at least the CDT had a Jame Retief; all we have are Sternwheelers and Earlyworms ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 17, 2025 01:16 PM (/Ghsb)

276 247 J.D. Vance writes well well. Most intelligent and articulate VP I have seen for a long time.
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Since at least Nixon

Posted by: But I'm a Hero, the media says so at June 17, 2025 01:17 PM (F/35S)

277 Mostly because you sound like a Gender Studies Graduate Student on her Period.

I thought that was obvious from the Midol ref?
Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 01:14 PM (uZ2FS)

What a valuable counterpoint. I hadnt considered that angle.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 17, 2025 01:17 PM (zuAlv)

278 Too late, Pakistan has multiple atomic weapons plus delivery systems via missiles and aircraft. Last estimated count I saw was something like seventy or more.

Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 01:13 PM

Pretty much everyone in that corner of the world either has Nukes or is working on getting them, sooner or later someone is going to pop one off when they get pi$$ed at their neighbor(s).

I just hope it doesn't escalate our way.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 17, 2025 01:17 PM (e5NfL)

279 No boots on the ground for the US for me. Mostly because I don't believe the US government has been cleaned up to the point where we will be allowed to win a war. That does not mean we cannot support an ally in war.
Posted by: Ryan Frank at June 17, 2025 12:55 PM

That's about where I am at. Iran is responsible for thousands of Americans deaths and dismemberment. Just stay out of their way and let them borrow a B-2. Just have it back by 11:00 and fill the tank.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2025 01:17 PM (ewjUl)

280 I hate when my family fights.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 17, 2025 01:17 PM (x69Nb)

281 240 230 What is the job that needs to be finished? Is that clear-cut?
Posted by: Oglebay
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Fordow enrichment plant. That is the nut toughest to crack on ending the mullah's nuclear dreams and Israel simply does not have the delivery systems to penetrate something like 200 m of rock. Think penetrating NORAD in Cheyenne Mountain for comparison.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 01:11 PM (ctrM5)

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Thank you. It is extremely helpful that the situation is so clearcut. Trump can tell Iran what the end result will be and the negotiations are to focus on how Iran would prefer to get there.

Posted by: Oglebay at June 17, 2025 01:17 PM (MMp6W)

282 Dick Cheney said that about Iraq. I assume it will be said about Iran if it hasnt already since the deep state is running almost exactly the same playbook here.

Yeah, "I assume" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 01:17 PM (s8j++)

283 The next one that needs to be rolled up is fat man in NK. That jackass just keeps lobbing shit into the ocean.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 17, 2025 01:18 PM (mFoqI)

284 Supporting the Mullahs over the King in Iran was one of the biggest foreign policy mistakes in American history
Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 01:08 PM (t0Rmr)

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Sending Khomeni back to Iran was the second-most costly (in terms of lives and treasure) one way trip of the 20th century.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at June 17, 2025 01:18 PM (0iJw5)

285 Aerial war is a bit different in political consequences than occupation. Had GWB ended the second Gulf War without extended occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan trying to convert them into a democracy, the GOP would not have suffered much if at all politically.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 01:01 PM (ctrM5)

There might even have been some moderate success in converting them to a more democratic government if we hadn't tried to convert them to an equal rights for women, GloboHomo democracy.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 01:18 PM (ExV1e)

286 274 The Pahlavi "princess" just married a Jew. If Iranians rally around the Shah, it could be the beginning of a real change in the Middle East.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2025 01:16 PM (t/2Uw)

Well the last two times the US / UK decided to do regime changes in Iran and install a Pahlavi as dictator worked out swell. So I think we should definitely try that again. What could go wrong?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 17, 2025 01:18 PM (zuAlv)

287 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 17, 2025 01:12 PM (zuAlv)

Then you just need to hide in a hole because endless wars is the default of humans. Micro and Macro.

From fist fights and gang wars to civil wars to country against country.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 01:18 PM (VofaG)

288 No boots on the ground for the US for me. Mostly because I don't believe the US government has been cleaned up to the point where we will be allowed to win a war. That does not mean we cannot support an ally in war.

That's where I am as well.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 01:18 PM (t0Rmr)

289 I remain amazed that Turkey has stayed quiet throughout this entire episode.' -- garrett

Erdogan is not idiot; not attracting the lion's gaze is a smart move.

Posted by: CPT. Charles

I think Erdogan wants to be the face of the Islamic Caliphate so taking out rival Iran for the title is in his best interests. But, he is a snake and should not be part of NATO.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2025 01:18 PM (t/2Uw)

290 The late Shah ran a dictatorship with SAVAK, his secret police force, doing pretty much what Khamenei's are doing.

You can't sell zh*t twice.

Posted by: mnw at June 17, 2025 01:19 PM (kd60y)

291 How so? Because I think endless wars is a horrible thing morally is horrible for the American middle class and only serves to strengthen and enrich the deep state?

You know the things Trump was saying back in 2015 and 2016 and as recently as a year ago?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 17, 2025 01:12 PM (zuAlv)

Wow. You sound like a Marxist AND an isolationist.

If you saw the parade on Saturday, were you overwhelmed with embarrassment and shame?

Posted by: Cow Demon at June 17, 2025 01:19 PM (2Rbgs)

292 267 Miss Iran 2024

https://tinyurl.com/t8cedzwd
Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 01:15 PM (AOsQT)

Gotta love that nose

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 01:19 PM (xcxpd)

293 Just a quick note: I've seen estimates that Fordow is both 300' and 300 meters deep. I'll think we have to assume the latter.

The Fordow nuclear facility in Iran is situated approximately 80 to 90 meters (around 262 to 295 feet) beneath the ground, according to CNN. This depth is intended to provide protection from aerial bombardment.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Sounds reasonable and I suspect that the Israelis and perhaps now Trump knows exactly how far down it is and probably have layouts if not construction plans of it.

Israel seems to have totally penetrated Iranian society to the a degree that I have never seen in modern warfare. Perhaps the Soviets and Chinese have done it better with the West but we never have yet had a war with either when such was the case.

Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 01:19 PM (ctrM5)

294 "Fordow enrichment plant. That is the nut toughest to crack on ending the mullah's nuclear dreams and Israel simply does not have the delivery systems to penetrate something like 200 m of rock. Think penetrating NORAD in Cheyenne Mountain for comparison."

*****

One hit may not take it out. What about five hits? Ten? Twenty?

No sarcasm, just curious if anyone with experience in that area of knowledge can chime in.

Posted by: EFG at June 17, 2025 01:19 PM (0fs9V)

295 Solving the Iranian problem means solving a LOT of other problems in the world. People have no idea all the crap they have been up to, all the bad guys they train and finance.

Oh, and let's be clear - Iran tried to have Trump assassinated. Thye dialed. Now it's time for everyone involved in that decision to die. Not out of vengeance, but to remind anyone else what that means.

Bounce the rubble I say.

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at June 17, 2025 01:19 PM (gDhA9)

296 Israel's purpose is not to liberate Iran but to eliminate the threat of nuclear war. However a secondary result of that will be the liberation of the Iranian people from its religious tyranny. Their fate will be up to them. Historically the Iranian people thrived by commerce and agronomy. They have a core of educated people that's be suppressed by theocracy.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 01:19 PM (Ffc+8)

297 Most intelligent and articulate VP I have seen for a long time.

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Zombie John Adams would like to remind you that he was the most articulate VP ever.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at June 17, 2025 01:19 PM (sX1BW)

298 Tulsi/Mace oil wrestling? It would be perfect if... Wait a minute! It's Ben Shapiro' sister off the top rope!

She's pummeling both with her Ashkenazi breasts....

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at June 17, 2025 01:19 PM (wBaIH)

299
I think Erdogan wants to be the face of the Islamic Caliphate so taking out rival Iran for the title is in his best interests. But, he is a snake and should not be part of NATO.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2025 01:18 PM (t/2Uw)

Turkey and Canada should be kicked out of NATO.

Posted by: Cow Demon at June 17, 2025 01:20 PM (2Rbgs)

300 You know the things Trump was saying back in 2015 and 2016 and as recently as a year ago?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 17, 2025 01:12 PM (zuAlv)

Trump has also been saying - for just as long - that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon.

How does a nuclear-armed Iran benefit the American middle class?

I know a nuclear-armed Iran hurts the American middle class by continuing to target/kill American civilians and Service members around the world.

Explain how permitting a nuclear Iran will convey enough benefits to the American middle class so as to outweigh the terrorism Iran exports and dead Americans Iran creates.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 01:20 PM (lHAAk)

301 I think Erdogan wants to be the face of the Islamic Caliphate so taking out rival Iran for the title is in his best interests. But, he is a snake and should not be part of NATO.

Bingo on both counts.

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 01:20 PM (s8j++)

302 256 "And of course the goal should have been to kill the Iraqi leadership, not bring them Western "democracy""

Which is where everything went sideways. The US crushed the Hussein military in what, 5-6 weeks? Then tried to do the impossible and let the insurgency run wild. America is good at war but not so much on occupations.

Posted by: UGAdawg at June 17, 2025 01:12 PM (f70Xg)

We did fairly well in Germany and Japan. But of course, they weren't filled with crazy arabs/Persians...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 17, 2025 01:20 PM (wtvvX)

303 President Donald Trump will not be invited to address the NAACP national convention next month in Charlotte, North Carolina. This is the first time the civil rights organization has excluded a sitting president in its 116-year history.

AP reports National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) president Derrick Johnson announced the move at a Monday afternoon press conference, accusing Trump of working against its mission.

.. I wonder what their mission is these days

Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 01:20 PM (RHGPo)

304 >>What a valuable counterpoint. I hadnt considered that angle.

I wouldn't expect a woman in the throes of Hysteria to consider much that is sensible.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 01:21 PM (uZ2FS)

305 Well the last two times the US / UK decided to do regime changes in Iran and install a Pahlavi as dictator worked out swell. So I think we should definitely try that again. What could go wrong?

America's goal shouldn't be to choose the new leader of Iran. It should be to help Israel kill the current leadership and inflict enough pain that Iran as a whole doesn't want that type of leader again...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 01:21 PM (t0Rmr)

306 "@Bubblebathgirl
New York City’s comptroller, mayoral candidate Brad Lander, arrested at immigration court for interfering with ICE."

These ICE protetest/confrontation are becoming litmus test for rising Dems. It will be like "What were you doing during the civil right movement? Why weren't you arrested?"

For the Dems it's always the 60's

Posted by: Ripley at June 17, 2025 01:21 PM (+8Jw3)

307 267 Miss Iran 2024

https://tinyurl.com/t8cedzwd
Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 01:15 PM (AOsQT)

*****

Lovely. That can't have been taken in Iran though...Gotta be some group of exiles who did this.

Posted by: EFG at June 17, 2025 01:21 PM (0fs9V)

308 >>> 245
Xi is reportedly on his way out.

Even the CCP is getting scared of how Chynah is collapsing.
Posted by: Auspex at June 17, 2025 01:11 PM (j4U/Z)

Eh, I'll believe it when I see it, and I am one who has said they *will* collapse at some point. The problem being of course, when does that happen and what gets wrecked while they're sorting things out amongst themselves?

Posted by: leftists at June 17, 2025 01:21 PM (ULPxl)

309
NAACP Spurns President After Trump Earns Highest Black Support for GOP in Decades
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 01:10 PM (RHGPo)

This would be the same NAACP which was founded by a bunch of pasty white people around 1910 (along with WEB DuBois as the token negro). They didn't even have a black President of the organization until the mid-1970s.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2025 01:21 PM (y9nCu)

310 Hey I've heard [insert middle east shithole here] is trying to get weapons of mass destruction! Let's get an AUMF passed and hot tip buy RTX!

Posted by: Lindsey Graham at June 17, 2025 01:21 PM (oyLnI)

311 I remain amazed that Turkey has stayed quiet throughout this entire episode.
Posted by: garrett

I think Erdogan's biding his time. If Iran falls, he becomes the Big Cheese in the ME once again. And he will pick up the mantle of jihad against Israel.

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 01:21 PM (77rzZ)

312 JUST IN: President Trump is "SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING" a U.S. strike on Iran's nuclear facilities, particularly the Fordow Plant, which is built into a mountain, per reports

President Trump has just convened his National Security Council in the Situation Room and are meeting with them to determine the plan as we speak.

Apparently, the only option to knock out Fordow is dropping a bunker buster from a B2 Spirit, which only the US has.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2025 01:22 PM (t/2Uw)

313 >Supporting the Mullahs over the King in Iran was one of the biggest foreign policy mistakes in American history

Posted by: 18-1
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Jimmy Carter's work
Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 01:10 PM

History's Greatest Monster.

Posted by: toby928 at June 17, 2025 01:22 PM (jc0TO)

314 Carlson began to lose me awhile back when he began making cryptic, ominous comments about UFOs and how, when we learn all the information the government has, it may completely overturn everything we ever believed. And then came the revisionist history about Churchill and the anti-Semitic (or, at least, anti-Semitic-adjacent) jabs at Israel.

This guy had a golden opportunity when Fox canned him (or when he left on his own, I don't remember) to strike out on his own and really make a name for himself as an influential conservative. I am baffled as to how he got sidetracked into the loonier realms of conspiracy-thinking and bad history.

Posted by: Paco at June 17, 2025 01:22 PM (mADJX)

315 Posted by: SH (no more socks) at June 17, 2025 01:19 PM (sX1BW)

I'm no spring chicken., but I wasn't actually around for John Adams. 🌶️

However, from the television series I got to appreciate him quite a bit,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2025 01:22 PM (KrBYw)

316 .. I wonder what their mission is these days
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 01:20 PM (RHGPo)
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Overthrow the U.S.?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at June 17, 2025 01:22 PM (6YdsJ)

317 We did fairly well in Germany and Japan. But of course, they weren't filled with crazy arabs/Persians...

WWII killed something like a third of their young men.

I suspect if we had proceeded with a much more punitive means of war in Iraq we could have done the same but I still don't think that should have been the goal...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 01:23 PM (t0Rmr)

318 AP reports National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) president Derrick Johnson announced the move at a Monday afternoon press conference, accusing Trump of working against its mission.

.. I wonder what their mission is these days
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 01:20 PM

National Association of my wallet, honky!

Posted by: Derrick Sweet Dick Johnson at June 17, 2025 01:23 PM (ewjUl)

319 Democrat-run Chicago, Illinois, suspended a website Friday that allows people, no matter their immigration status, to obtain local government-issued IDs, after being subpoenaed by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 01:23 PM (RHGPo)

320 Afternoon Ace.
If the mullahs fall the US Chamber of Commerce should be happy. New markets, oil becoming cheaper. You'd think they would be chiming in . You'd also think the human rights crowd would be happy with the oppressive mullahs being gone
Hah, who am I kidding

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2025 01:23 PM (akw+7)

321 @294

>>One hit may not take it out. What about five hits? Ten? Twenty?

It's essentially 300 feet underneath a mountain, you could drop every bunker buster in the US arsenal and not dent it.

Again, unless you it can be STUXNETTED or some other means to take it out, the only way is up close and personnel, ie, Boots On The Ground.

Which could be accomplished with a Delta Strike Force.

They go in, bing-bang-boom, they go out, and that they end of that.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 01:23 PM (XV/Pl)

322 You need squadrons of attack Ocelots dropped in by Zeppelin's so that they can infiltrate and destroy these underground facilities.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 01:15 PM (XV/Pl)

Quokkas. There will be blood, fire, and rubble. Nothing else will remain.

Posted by: Utter annihilation at June 17, 2025 01:23 PM (TbWk/)

323 What's the issue weight?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 17, 2025 01:23 PM (P9gC0)

324 3h
17 US aerial refueling tankers are heading from Europe towards the @CENTCOM AOR, reports @AmichaiStein1.

👀Multiple squadrons of American fighter jets are also headed towards the Middle East, reports indicate.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 01:23 PM (Ffc+8)

325 Unfortunately too many people in the media don't care to actually read what I said"

Heh, you tell em, Tulsi!

Posted by: pookysgirl, actually literate at June 17, 2025 01:23 PM (Wt5PA)

326 Saddam and his government would have survived just an aerial war and we probably would have still been dealing with him 10 to 15 years later. And his sons.

Obama not entering into a force agreement led to ISIS imo.

Also Khaddafi did give up his nuke program though I don't know how viable that really was.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 01:24 PM (VofaG)

327 You need squadrons of attack Ocelots dropped in by Zeppelin's so that they can infiltrate and destroy these underground facilities.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 01:15 PM (XV/Pl)
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Otters

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2025 01:24 PM (iFTx/)

328 >>I think Erdogan's biding his time. If Iran falls, he becomes the Big Cheese in the ME once again. And he will pick up the mantle of jihad against Israel.

Agreed. I would expect a bit more Saber Rattling out of him, though. He has never been shy about expressing his aspirations.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2025 01:24 PM (uZ2FS)

329 No sarcasm, just curious if anyone with experience in that area of knowledge can chime in.
Posted by: EFG at June 17, 2025 01:19 PM (0fs9V)
I can claim very little experience in conducting repeated bombing runs on the same target over a period of time.

This said, with enough patience and effort, well...

Seriously, the objective is to neutralize it, eg render it inoperable. Doesn't have to be ground to dust. Access points destroyed, air ventilation systems blocked, etc etc serve a purpose as important as physical damage to the target itself.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 17, 2025 01:24 PM (x69Nb)

330 297 Most intelligent and articulate VP I have seen for a long time.

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Zombie John Adams would like to remind you that he was the most articulate VP ever.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at June 17, 2025 01:19 PM (sX1BW)

Well, that's about as long as that time could be.

"Pardner, how long has it been since you had a big, steamin' bowl of Articulate Vice-President? Heh-heh! Well, that's too long!!!"

Posted by: WOLF BRAND VP at June 17, 2025 01:24 PM (wtvvX)

331 280 I hate when my family fights.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 17, 2025 01:17 PM (x69Nb)

It happens. Just try not to take it personally and hope everyone cools off after venting.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 01:24 PM (xcxpd)

332 because Persian women are hot and the world needs to see them

https://tinyurl.com/4hb9e89f
Posted by: Don Blac

Jasmine Crockett called, and wants her false eyelashes back.

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 01:24 PM (77rzZ)

333 I think Erdogan's biding his time. If Iran falls, he becomes the Big Cheese in the ME once again. And he will pick up the mantle of jihad against Israel.

I don't expect the next BCitME to be pro-Israel but the experience of the current BCitME should give him a good reason to at least dial back on the jihad talk.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 17, 2025 01:25 PM (/y8xj)

334
Apparently, the only option to knock out Fordow is dropping a bunker buster from a B2 Spirit, which only the US has.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2025 01:22 PM (t/2Uw)

Couldn't we just let them borrow it....

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2025 01:25 PM (VE6XX)

335 331 280 I hate when my family fights.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 17, 2025 01:17 PM (x69Nb)

It happens. Just try not to take it personally and hope everyone cools off after venting.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 01:24 PM (xcxpd)

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"Or, just slap a bitch."
-Yasujiro Ozu

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:25 PM (GBKbO)

336 One hit may not take it out. What about five hits? Ten? Twenty? No sarcasm, just curious if anyone with experience in that area of knowledge can chime in. Posted by: EFG at June 17, 2025 01:19 PM (0fs9V)

I was thinking the same thing. Also, hit it with a ballistic missile from Israel. Land a team and drill a hole - drop in explosives. Fly drones into vents.

Just hammer the egg till it cracks. By the by, want to guess whether the construction was good and up to code, or the usual Iranian garbage?

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at June 17, 2025 01:25 PM (gDhA9)

337 Trump Says He Won’t Phone ‘Whacked Out’ Tim Walz Over His Former Appointee Suspected of Murder

Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 01:25 PM (RHGPo)

338 Hi! Just introducing the new thread. You know, b/c I commented here.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 17, 2025 01:25 PM (lPeS+)

339 Also Khaddafi did give up his nuke program though I don't know how viable that really was.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 01:24 PM (VofaG)

Viability wasn't the point for me.

For me, the point was that Khadaffi saw what was happening around him and actively tried to get right with the US.

We should have encouraged that, thereby convincing OTHER national leaders to get right with us, so as to avoid the stick.

Instead, Hillary set him up to be killed, then crowed about it on live television.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 01:26 PM (lHAAk)

340 Which could be accomplished with a Delta Strike Force.

They go in, bing-bang-boom, they go out, and that they end of that.

into a facility 300 feet under a mountain inside a hostile country? that "go in" part may be a bit challenging. maybe they can get those ultra realistic masks from the IMF team

Posted by: brak at June 17, 2025 01:26 PM (jGJov)

341 "We did fairly well in Germany and Japan. But of course, they weren't filled with crazy arabs/Persians…”

No they weren’t, and they were completely broken by a total war being waged. Germany was a Western country that still contained some capacity for reason after Hitler’s death, and we only got half of that. And we nuked Japan.

Let’s not forget a major factor in why the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan got so bad was the country currently being pounded by the Israelis.

Posted by: UGAdawg at June 17, 2025 01:26 PM (f70Xg)

342 This guy had a golden opportunity when Fox canned him (or when he left on his own, I don't remember) to strike out on his own and really make a name for himself as an influential conservative. I am baffled as to how he got sidetracked into the loonier realms of conspiracy-thinking and bad history.

he's a fucking flake

Posted by: Black Orchid at June 17, 2025 01:26 PM (Pv3Rg)

343 337 Trump Says He Won’t Phone ‘Whacked Out’ Tim Walz Over His Former Appointee Suspected of Murder
Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 01:25 PM (RHG

The one the media is calling the MAGA killer ?

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2025 01:26 PM (VE6XX)

344 I think he’s a bit of a megalomaniac. He believes in conquest and Ukraine was just an excuse to do what he’s already been doing.

He's been the leader of Russia for 25 years now. He's attacked exactly two countries, Georgia and Ukraine, and both times it was over NATO efforts to add those countries.

It's one thing to dislike Putin but you start to sound a bit like someone holding on to the idea that Soviet forces will push through the Fulda Gap when you insist that he's all about conquest.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 01:26 PM (ExV1e)

345 Conservatives (Trump ) need to learn to say, "I don't respond to pundits, media, or others in my party; I only respond to heads of state."

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2025 01:27 PM (PMtkd)

346 yes it seems the Miss Iran pageant happens in exile:

In recent years, the Miss Iran Awards have been held abroad, most notably in Santa Clara, California,

Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 01:27 PM (AOsQT)

347 339 We should have encouraged that, thereby convincing OTHER national leaders to get right with us, so as to avoid the stick.

Instead, Hillary set him up to be killed, then crowed about it on live television.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 01:26 PM (lHAAk)

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Killing Khadaffi was supposed to be the cornerstone of her 2016 run for president. Air strike a guy to death, utopia forms, female president.

It was her plan.

It didn't work for some reason. Probably the vast right wing conspiracy.

Yeah...that was it. The vast right wing conspiracy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:27 PM (GBKbO)

348 280 I hate when my family fights.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 17, 2025 01:17 PM (x69Nb)

That's what families are for. Fighting, anger, rage, insults, denigration, abuse, and general dehumanization. In what other social structure are you permitted to do those things with relative impunity?

Posted by: Seriously where else you going to do it? at June 17, 2025 01:27 PM (TbWk/)

349 Oddly enough, one of my recent Vince Flynn novels had this exact scenario happening with moles within the Iranian military being the ones taking out that complex.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2025 01:27 PM (ewjUl)

350 The one the media is calling the MAGA killer ?

I still want to know the guy's source of income...his security firm, his NGO grift, or straight from Walz's clients?

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 01:27 PM (t0Rmr)

351 You need squadrons of attack Ocelots dropped in by Zeppelin's so that they can infiltrate and destroy these underground facilities.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 01:15 PM (XV/Pl)
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Posted by: wth at June 17, 2025 01:27 PM (UjdFS)

352 342 This guy had a golden opportunity when Fox canned him (or when he left on his own, I don't remember) to strike out on his own and really make a name for himself as an influential conservative. I am baffled as to how he got sidetracked into the loonier realms of conspiracy-thinking and bad history.

He still had time left on his contract with Fox and it was a large sum....

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2025 01:27 PM (VE6XX)

353 "One hit may not take it out. What about five hits? Ten? Twenty?

No sarcasm, just curious if anyone with experience in that area of knowledge can chime in.

Posted by: EFG at June 17, 2025 01:19 PM (0fs9V) "

(might be wrong) but I'm not sure how much testing has been done of the MOP ... so I (& my ignorance) favor the 5 or 10 or 20 hits approach until there is a pit kilometers deep and wide.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 17, 2025 01:27 PM (/Ghsb)

354 Explain how permitting a nuclear Iran will convey enough benefits to the American middle class so as to outweigh the terrorism Iran exports and dead Americans Iran creates.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 01:20 PM (lHAAk)

First and foremost Iran has allegedly been a week from obtaining a nuclear weapon for my entire adult life. So count me as not convinced that there is some existential threat to the United States brewing in Iran.

We saw this movie already. We know how it ends. Or did the entire country collectively forget about our adventures in Iraq Libya Syria Afghanistan Yemen etc etc?

You know the wars Trump called stupid and said hed end.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 17, 2025 01:27 PM (zuAlv)

355 Just looking at history, ~~Russia~~ no one should never trust China.
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 17, 2025 01:06 PM (2Rbgs)

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 01:28 PM (ExV1e)

356 353 (might be wrong) but I'm not sure how much testing has been done of the MOP ... so I (& my ignorance) favor the 5 or 10 or 20 hits approach until there is a pit kilometers deep and wide.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 17, 2025 01:27 PM (/Ghsb)

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Most rubble from an explosion goes up and straight back down.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:28 PM (GBKbO)

357 Again, unless you it can be STUXNETTED or some other means to take it out, the only way is up close and personnel, ie, Boots On The Ground.

Which could be accomplished with a Delta Strike Force.

They go in, bing-bang-boom, they go out, and that they end of that.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 01:23 PM (XV/Pl)
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Could a Strike Force of men get in? Sure. Could they actually carry enough explosives to destroy it (i.e., collapse the whole underground structure)....no way.

They could breech some doors...blow up a few machines...but destroy the site? No way.

Posted by: EFG at June 17, 2025 01:28 PM (0fs9V)

358 Hi, Bulg.

I'm doing well, thank you for asking--better, faster, than was expected I'm happy to say.

Good luck with your niece/grand-niece. I'll be praying for you.

Posted by: Wenda at June 17, 2025 01:28 PM (2EeNt)

359 340 Which could be accomplished with a Delta Strike Force.

They go in, bing-bang-boom, they go out, and that they end of that.

into a facility 300 feet under a mountain inside a hostile country? that "go in" part may be a bit challenging. maybe they can get those ultra realistic masks from the IMF team
Posted by: brak at June 17, 2025 01:26 PM (jGJov)

There's gotta be some are vents we can throw some grenades down. All I need is 4.5 seconds and 40 yards. Git up offa that thing! Hah!

Posted by: James Brown at June 17, 2025 01:28 PM (OA79/)

360 This guy had a golden opportunity when Fox canned him (or when he left on his own, I don't remember) to strike out on his own and really make a name for himself as an influential conservative. I am baffled as to how he got sidetracked into the loonier realms of conspiracy-thinking and bad history.
Posted by: Paco at June 17, 2025 01:22 PM (mADJX)

I think there's a tendency on our side at the moment to search out the hidden truth that "they" have been keeping from us all these years. Understandable, given all the lies the ruling class has been telling us, but there's a difference between "DC didn't tell the truth about Covid" and "ZOMG Atlantis is real you guys!!!"

Posted by: Dr. T at June 17, 2025 01:28 PM (jGGMD)

361 Apparently, the only option to knock out Fordow is dropping a bunker buster from a B2 Spirit, which only the US has.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 17, 2025 01:22 PM (t/2Uw)

Couldn't we just let them borrow it....
Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2025 01:25 PM (VE6XX)

Let an Israeli ride along in the check pilot seat, as the "command" pilot.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 17, 2025 01:29 PM (S/Y4j)

362 You need squadrons of attack Ocelots dropped in by Zeppelin's so that they can infiltrate and destroy these underground facilities.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 01:15 PM (XV/Pl)
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Posted by: wth at June 17, 2025 01:27 PM (UjdFS)
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Pangolins.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at June 17, 2025 01:29 PM (6YdsJ)

363 This guy had a golden opportunity when Fox canned him (or when he left on his own, I don't remember) to strike out on his own and really make a name for himself as an influential conservative. I am baffled as to how he got sidetracked into the loonier realms of conspiracy-thinking and bad history.
Posted by: Paco at June 17, 2025 01:22 PM (mADJX)
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It's possible--even likely--he's always been like that and the folks at Fox kept him in check while he was there.

Look at how even more deranged lefties have become when they've been let go from major networks.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 17, 2025 01:29 PM (7fElN)

364 Killing Khadaffi was supposed to be the cornerstone of her 2016 run for president. Air strike a guy to death, utopia forms, female president.

Hillary's boys sodomized him with a bayonet then shot him in the head.

Meanwhile some sergeant playing sex dungeon with his girlfriend and his prisoners was the biggest news story of the year at the time in Iraq...

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 01:29 PM (t0Rmr)

365 354 First and foremost Iran has allegedly been a week from obtaining a nuclear weapon for my entire adult life. So count me as not convinced that there is some existential threat to the United States brewing in Iran.

We saw this movie already. We know how it ends. Or did the entire country collectively forget about our adventures in Iraq Libya Syria Afghanistan Yemen etc etc?

You know the wars Trump called stupid and said hed end.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 17, 2025 01:27 PM (zuAlv)

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Last I saw, it's Israel attacking Iran, the Iran that funds Hezbollah and Hamas, not the US.

We're just providing post-10/7 levels of arms support and intel support.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:29 PM (GBKbO)

366 That's what families are for. Fighting, anger, rage, insults, denigration, abuse, and general dehumanization.

Denigration and general dehumanization is down the hall.
*stupid git*

Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 01:29 PM (s8j++)

367 337 Trump Says He Won’t Phone ‘Whacked Out’ Tim Walz Over His Former Appointee Suspected of Murder

Posted by: SMOD at June 17, 2025 01:25 PM (RHGPo)

I think that "Whacked-Out Walz" should be be adopted into the AoS Style Guide as an acceptable alternative to "Tampon Timmy".

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 17, 2025 01:29 PM (wtvvX)

368 >>> 331 280 I hate when my family fights.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 17, 2025 01:17 PM (x69Nb)

It happens. Just try not to take it personally and hope everyone cools off after venting.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 01:24 PM (xcxpd)

*tosses pie*

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 17, 2025 01:29 PM (ULPxl)

369 >I am baffled as to how he got sidetracked into the loonier realms of conspiracy-thinking and bad history.

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it's like when you think you have confirmed a conservative justice to SCOTUS, and after a while they start drifting left

Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 01:29 PM (AOsQT)

370 Those asking about "letting Israel use a B-2" need to realize you just don't hop in the pilot seat and rev the engines to take off.

You get trained to fly it. Takes a bit longer than learning how to drive a car... and look at how poorly some do at that.

Plus... it's got secret squirrel stuff even Israel isn't going to get to see. Ever.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2025 01:29 PM (Q4IgG)

371 Hopefully Iran will accept an offer to destroy Fordow themselves, which might be accomplished by burying it under concrete, rather than risk casualties along with economic and political damage.

Posted by: Oglebay at June 17, 2025 01:29 PM (MMp6W)

372 That Turkey and Iran are different types of Muslim probably helped Turkey decide, "Yeah, fuck Iran."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:06 PM (GBKbO)

Erdogan wants to be Chief Caliph.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 01:29 PM (ExV1e)

373 Miss Iran 2024

https://tinyurl.com/t8cedzwd
Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 01:15 PM (AOsQT)

Gotta love that nose
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at June 17, 2025 01:19 PM

Methinks you wouldn't be complaining, if it were nosing its way under your morning tent.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 17, 2025 01:30 PM (Vb7TB)

374 364 Killing Khadaffi was supposed to be the cornerstone of her 2016 run for president. Air strike a guy to death, utopia forms, female president.

Hillary's boys sodomized him with a bayonet then shot him in the head.

Meanwhile some sergeant playing sex dungeon with his girlfriend and his prisoners was the biggest news story of the year at the time in Iraq...
Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 01:29 PM (t0Rmr)

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Don't forget the open air slave markets in Libya!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:30 PM (GBKbO)

375 Right now Tom Cruise is practicing the maneuvers and time it will take over target. There's also a hot chick involved somehow.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2025 01:30 PM (ewjUl)

376 Hey man I got a rank right here let's just blast a hole in the door and walk out with all that plutonium. MAN.

Posted by: Lt oddball at June 17, 2025 01:30 PM (OA79/)

377 attack Ocelots dropped in by Zeppelin's so that they can infiltrate and destroy these underground facilities.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 01:15 PM (XV/Pl)
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Sneks.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at June 17, 2025 01:30 PM (dOnec)

378 375 Right now Tom Cruise is practicing the maneuvers and time it will take over target. There's also a hot chick involved somehow.
Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2025 01:30 PM (ewjUl)

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In between pre-production meetings on Days of Thunder 2.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:30 PM (GBKbO)

379 Those asking about "letting Israel use a B-2" need to realize you just don't hop in the pilot seat and rev the engines to take off.

Biden let some Uke push the button that blew up Russia's oil pipeline using advanced American underwater weapons systems and the FNM tells me that means the US had nothing to do with it.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 01:30 PM (t0Rmr)

380 because Persian women are hot and the world needs to see them

https://tinyurl.com/4hb9e89f
Posted by: Don Blac
*****

Yup.

Posted by: EFG at June 17, 2025 01:31 PM (0fs9V)

381 The IDF has stated, just today I think, that they can destroy Fordow without the U.S. bunker busters, per the Jerusalem Post.

The best reporting about the war comes from The J-Post & The Times of Israel (ToI), even though both are lefty & anti-Bibi.

Posted by: mnw at June 17, 2025 01:31 PM (kd60y)

382 >>> 339 Also Khaddafi did give up his nuke program though I don't know how viable that really was.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 01:24 PM (VofaG)

Viability wasn't the point for me.

For me, the point was that Khadaffi saw what was happening around him and actively tried to get right with the US.

We should have encouraged that, thereby convincing OTHER national leaders to get right with us, so as to avoid the stick.

Instead, Hillary set him up to be killed, then crowed about it on live television.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 01:26 PM (lHAAk)

I didn't even have any evidence against her!!!

Posted by: Zombie Khadaffi at June 17, 2025 01:31 PM (ULPxl)

383 We saw this movie already. We know how it ends. Or did the entire country collectively forget about our adventures in Iraq Libya Syria Afghanistan Yemen etc etc?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 17, 2025 01:27 PM

Yep. None of them have atom bombs now.

Posted by: toby928 at June 17, 2025 01:31 PM (jc0TO)

384 Eric Daugherty
@EricLDaugh
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2m
BREAKING: Sen. Alex Padilla cries, gets very emotional on the Senate floor as he recounts the experience of being detained after disrupting Sec. Noem’s press conference.

“Not ONCE did they tell me why…I pray you never have a moment like this.”

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Dear lord, Padilla is a little bitch.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:31 PM (GBKbO)

385 327 You need squadrons of attack Ocelots dropped in by Zeppelin's so that they can infiltrate and destroy these underground facilities.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 01:15 PM (XV/Pl)
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Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2025 01:24 PM (iFTx/)
Honey Badgers. Cause they……don’t give a fcuk

Posted by: Eromero at June 17, 2025 01:31 PM (jgmnb)

386 Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 01:29 PM (s8j++)

I'm still laughing about that Monty Python skit: "The Argument Clinic" someone posted on a tech thread last week. I hadn't seen it before,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 17, 2025 01:31 PM (2GCMq)

387 371 Hopefully Iran will accept an offer to destroy Fordow themselves, which might be accomplished by burying it under concrete, rather than risk casualties along with economic and political damage.

Posted by: Oglebay at June 17, 2025 01:29 PM (MMp6W)

Find an Iranian leader that cares more about Iran than hating Israel.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 17, 2025 01:32 PM (KbCG3)

388 375 Right now Tom Cruise is practicing the maneuvers and time it will take over target. There's also a hot chick involved somehow.
Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2025 01:30 PM (ewjUl)

Don't forget L. Ron Hubbard!!

Posted by: Dr. T at June 17, 2025 01:32 PM (jGGMD)

389 377 attack Ocelots dropped in by Zeppelin's so that they can infiltrate and destroy these underground facilities.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 01:15 PM (XV/Pl)
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Sneks.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at June 17, 2025 01:30 PM (dOnec)

Tactical Goats

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 17, 2025 01:32 PM (wtvvX)

390 You get trained to fly it. Takes a bit longer than learning how to drive a car... and look at how poorly some do at that.

find a very small Israeli pilot and let them ride in the pilot's lap, they get to push the button, problem solved

Posted by: brak at June 17, 2025 01:32 PM (jGJov)

391
In between pre-production meetings on Days of Thunder 2.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:30 PM

No, that's Lizzo. The thunda from Fumunda.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2025 01:32 PM (ewjUl)

392 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 17, 2025 01:27 PM (zuAlv)

For your entire life , which I assume is 15 or 16, there have been multiple actions to slow down and prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. That's why they haven't been able to accomplish their goal within that snarky week.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2025 01:32 PM (VofaG)

393 There are always well lighted and dust-free ventilation ducts.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at June 17, 2025 01:32 PM (k/U8Z)

394 what are the odds the US arsenal includes a nuclear tipped bunker buster

just a small tactical nuke, couple of KTs

Posted by: Don Black at June 17, 2025 01:32 PM (AOsQT)

395 Washington Nearsider as you know the Libya story is actually more dramatically at odds with the mythology than that. But the entire actual history of everything from the early 2000s has been replaced by a cartoonish mythology. The pathetic thing is even those who basically understand the current stakes and issues almost universally stipulate or even echo the nonsense. No point in even trying to discuss it with most.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 17, 2025 01:32 PM (1m82a)

396 Sending Khomeni back to Iran was the second-most costly (in terms of lives and treasure) one way trip of the 20th century.
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at June 17, 2025 01:18 PM (0iJw5)

Not having Khomeini whacked was the Shah's biggest failing. He was so busy looking for Reds under every bed that he ignored the mouth-foaming clerics on the street corners.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 17, 2025 01:32 PM (KC35q)

397 Denigration and general dehumanization is down the hall.
*stupid git*
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 01:29 PM

What about cruelty? Where might one find cruelty here in the HQ?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM (Vb7TB)

398 391
In between pre-production meetings on Days of Thunder 2.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:30 PM

No, that's Lizzo. The thunda from Fumunda.
Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2025 01:32 PM (ewjUl)

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For real, though.

He's in pre-production talks on Days of Thunder 2.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM (GBKbO)

399
"Fordow enrichment plant. That is the nut toughest to crack on ending the mullah's nuclear dreams and Israel simply does not have the delivery systems to penetrate something like 200 m of rock. Think penetrating NORAD in Cheyenne Mountain for comparison."

Hitting the bunker with about 10 5000 lb bombs probably won't penetrate into the interior, but between the shock and concrete spalling inside it'll hammer the shit out of the equipment, maybe even totally ruining the centrifuges, which are EXTREMELY sensitive and require precise calibration so that they don't self-destruct when they get up to full speed.

So there's still a good reason to hammer the bunker, even with smaller bombs.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM (y9nCu)

400 A lot of the WMD talk about Iraq was related more to chemical and perhaps biological weapons. Apparently from post war interviews, even a lot of Saddam's officers believed that they had them during the Second Gulf War.
Posted by: whig at June 17, 2025 01:09 PM (ctrM5)

I remember, back when they found a big cache of chemical bombs, and the media instantly dismissed it with "but they're old" and then never spoke of it again.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM (ExV1e)

401 "because Persian women are hot and the world needs to see them”

Same goes for Lebanese women. FREEDOM!!!

Posted by: UGAdawg at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM (f70Xg)

402 Miss Iran 2024

Second thoughts about a burka?

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM (dOnec)

403 I am baffled as to how he got sidetracked into the loonier realms of conspiracy-thinking and bad history.
Posted by: Paco
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kallisto suggested DeepState. After all of the current revelations I can't disagree. Tucker started out so well and now he's less credible than Alex Jones.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM (Ffc+8)

404 Good luck with your niece/grand-niece. I'll be praying for you.

Posted by: Wenda

Thank you, Wenda. I'm looking forward to seeing my niece again after so many years, and her now nearly-grown daughters, who were toddlers when I last saw them.

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM (77rzZ)

405 Eric Daugherty
@EricLDaugh
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BREAKING: Sen. Alex Padilla cries, gets very emotional on the Senate floor as he recounts the experience of being detained after disrupting Sec. Noem’s press conference.

“Not ONCE did they tell me why…I pray you never have a moment like this.”

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Dear lord, Padilla is a little bitch.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:31 PM (GBKbO)
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Like I said yesterday, David Hogg is an alpha in the Democrap party. David. Fucking. Hogg. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM (iFTx/)

406 378 375 Right now Tom Cruise is practicing the maneuvers and time it will take over target. There's also a hot chick involved somehow.
Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2025 01:30 PM (ewjUl)

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In between pre-production meetings on Days of Thunder 2.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:30 PM (GBKbO)

It's going to be funny when they Top Gun 2-it and rerun the same story with new protagonists led by the previous protagonists.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM (KbCG3)

407 384 Eric Daugherty
@EricLDaugh
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BREAKING: Sen. Alex Padilla cries, gets very emotional on the Senate floor as he recounts the experience of being detained after disrupting Sec. Noem’s press conference.

“Not ONCE did they tell me why…I pray you never have a moment like this.”

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Dear lord, Padilla is a little bitch.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:31 PM (GBKbO)

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Dems are desperate to claim the top spot in their party-wide smallest penis contest.

Posted by: Oglebay at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM (MMp6W)

408 378 375 Right now Tom Cruise is practicing the maneuvers and time it will take over target. There's also a hot chick involved somehow.
Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2025 01:30 PM (ewjUl)
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Doesn't Iran still has some leftover F-14's he can use if he has to eject.

Posted by: WisRich at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM (G0vdT)

409 319 Democrat-run Chicago, Illinois, suspended a website Friday that allows people, no matter their immigration status, to obtain local government-issued IDs, after being subpoenaed by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
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A 'local government ID' with no standards - I'm sure the Feds will be in a hurry to give that all the respect it deserves, which is slightly less than that given to a badge from a cereal box.

Posted by: But I'm a Hero, the media says so at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM (F/35S)

410 Erdogan wants to recreate the Ottoman Empire. He wants to dominate the Arabs like was done in the old days . Iran is a potential competitor and therefore eff them

Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM (akw+7)

411 405 Like I said yesterday, David Hogg is an alpha in the Democrap party. David. Fucking. Hogg. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM (iFTx/)

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So pathetically true.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:34 PM (GBKbO)

412 360 I think there's a tendency on our side at the moment to search out the hidden truth that "they" have been keeping from us all these years. Understandable, given all the lies the ruling class has been telling us, but there's a difference between "DC didn't tell the truth about Covid" and "ZOMG Atlantis is real you guys!!!" - Dr. T

Exactly so. Well put.

Posted by: Paco at June 17, 2025 01:34 PM (mADJX)

413 new thread smell

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at June 17, 2025 01:34 PM (0iJw5)

414 First and foremost Iran has allegedly been a week from obtaining a nuclear weapon for my entire adult life. So count me as not convinced that there is some existential threat to the United States brewing in Iran.

We saw this movie already. We know how it ends. Or did the entire country collectively forget about our adventures in Iraq Libya Syria Afghanistan Yemen etc etc?

You know the wars Trump called stupid and said hed end.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 17, 2025 01:27 PM (zuAlv)

Nowhere in that rant did you explain how a nuclear-armed Iran benefits the American middle class - the benchmark YOU established for good policy.

Please take another swing at it.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 01:34 PM (lHAAk)

415 You need squadrons of attack Ocelots dropped in by Zeppelin's so that they can infiltrate and destroy these underground facilities.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 17, 2025 01:15 PM (XV/Pl)
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Otters
Posted by: Elric Blade

I like the drone idea. Drones carrying tubes of radioactive material flown down into the facility and detonated.

Area denial system.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 17, 2025 01:34 PM (PfGa7)

416 406 It's going to be funny when they Top Gun 2-it and rerun the same story with new protagonists led by the previous protagonists.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM (KbCG3)

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That's the story of F1, it seems.

Sounds like a good time, to be honest.

A more exciting version of Grand Prix with fewer smelly Frenchmen.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:34 PM (GBKbO)

417 2m
BREAKING: Sen. Alex Padilla cries, gets very emotional on the Senate floor as he recounts the experience of being detained after disrupting Sec. Noem’s press conference.

“Not ONCE did they tell me why…I pray you never have a moment like this.”

Why ? Because you rushed the podium where the Secretary of Homeland Security was beginning a speech without initially identifying yourself.. A Secretary who has had numerous death threats

Posted by: It's me donna at June 17, 2025 01:34 PM (VE6XX)

418 For real, though.

He's in pre-production talks on Days of Thunder 2.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM (GBKbO)

*facepalm*

Posted by: Dr. T at June 17, 2025 01:34 PM (jGGMD)

419 This whole thing is now in the hands of "the Iranian people." Nether the U.S. nor Israel are going to send actual ground troops into Iran, yet it absolutely requires "boots on the ground" to effect regime change.

Scenario A is that Israel continues to bomb every nuclear and energy site in Iran for a few weeks until the rubble bounces, but no uprising ever happens, and the mullahs remain in power. That's not a bad result, but what wold then happen is that Iran would slowly start re-cnstituting its nuclear program and start building a bomb all over again. Might take ten years instead of one, but they'll get back on that track. So in ten years, we'll have to have a repeat of this week's pre-emotive strike.

Scenario B is exactly like Scenario A, but in this case there is some kind of counter-revolution at the moment the existing Iranian regime is at its weakest. Then presumably the new government will declare itself a non-nuclear state, and everyone goes home happy. I don't even care if he new Iranian government is democratic, monarchist, communist, or less-fundamental Islamist--whatever it might be, it couldn't be worse than the current regime.

Posted by: zombie at June 17, 2025 01:34 PM (pMi6S)

420 338 Hi! Just introducing the new thread. You know, b/c I commented here.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 17, 2025 01:25 PM (lPeS+)

That was a nood, FWIW.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 17, 2025 01:34 PM (/y8xj)

421 For real, though.

He's in pre-production talks on Days of Thunder 2.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM

Harry, what are you doing? Eating Ice Cream. Bet you the movie is another hit. Because real cars and America so fck yes!

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 17, 2025 01:34 PM (ewjUl)

422 >>>He's in pre-production talks on Days of Thunder 2.

Cruise is fully in the "YOLO" phase of his career where he just makes fun movies he thinks people will like

Posted by: brak at June 17, 2025 01:35 PM (jGJov)

423 394 what are the odds the US arsenal includes a nuclear tipped bunker buster

just a small tactical nuke, couple of KTs
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Go ahead and use a nuke - you're bombing nuke facilities anyway, blame all the fallout on the muzzies

Posted by: But I'm a Hero, the media says so at June 17, 2025 01:36 PM (F/35S)

424 >>> 397 Denigration and general dehumanization is down the hall.
*stupid git*
Posted by: Archimedes at June 17, 2025 01:29 PM

What about cruelty? Where might one find cruelty here in the HQ?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM (Vb7TB)

Duh, right there on Ace's shelves.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 17, 2025 01:36 PM (ULPxl)

425 2m
BREAKING: Sen. Alex Padilla cries, gets very emotional on the Senate floor as he recounts the experience of being detained after disrupting Sec. Noem’s press conference.

“Not ONCE did they tell me why…I pray you never have a moment like this.”

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Dear lord, Padilla is a little bitch.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 17, 2025 01:31 PM (GBKbO)

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Hey, Padilla you stupid fuck face, talk to the J 6th prisoners who didn't get charged or had a trial but were held in prisons for years. And they did less than you.

Posted by: Seems Legit at June 17, 2025 01:36 PM (PMtkd)

426 Not having Khomeini whacked was the Shah's biggest failing. He was so busy looking for Reds under every bed that he ignored the mouth-foaming clerics on the street corners.

It is hard for non-Islamist rulers of Islamic states to crack down on Islamism - you can see if in every type of Muslim regime from democracies to various types of dictatorships.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 17, 2025 01:37 PM (t0Rmr)

427 Like I said yesterday, David Hogg is an alpha in the Democrap party. David. Fucking. Hogg. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM

* back double-biceps pose *

* turns smoothly into a crab pose *

Posted by: David Hogg, Harvard graduate at June 17, 2025 01:37 PM (Vb7TB)

428 410 - Erdogan wants to recreate the Ottoman Empire. He wants to dominate the Arabs like was done in the old days . Iran is a potential competitor and therefore eff them - Smell the Glove

I think that's very likely true. I wonder if Trump will one day wind up having to deal with the excesses of the Sublime Porte.

Posted by: Paco at June 17, 2025 01:37 PM (mADJX)

429 Tactical Goats

Wild boars on drugs.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at June 17, 2025 01:37 PM (jBXWv)

430 Not having Khomeini whacked was the Shah's biggest failing. He was so busy looking for Reds under every bed that he ignored the mouth-foaming clerics on the street corners.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

From what I've read, after the Mossadeq debacle, he had all the opposition politicians whacked or imprisoned, but didn't touch the clerics. So the clerics filled the void and became the leaders of the opposition.

Posted by: Bulg at June 17, 2025 01:37 PM (77rzZ)

431 Dems are desperate to claim the top spot in their party-wide smallest penis contest.

Posted by: Oglebay at June 17, 2025 01:33 PM (MMp6W)

I LOSE!

Posted by: Doctor Admiral Rachel Levine at June 17, 2025 01:38 PM (lHAAk)

432 Nood FBI 2020 Treason.

Posted by: Doctor Admiral Rachel Levine at June 17, 2025 01:41 PM (lHAAk)

433 Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 17, 2025 01:24 PM (x69Nb)

*****

Yeah, I hear you. Neutralize vs destroy are different things and have different requirements.

I'd prefer !!!DESTROYED!!! but can live with "neutralized".

Posted by: EFG at June 17, 2025 01:41 PM (0fs9V)

434 Alex Padilla cries, gets very emotional on the Senate floor

Cringe worthy. He could give David Hogg drama queen lessons.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at June 17, 2025 01:42 PM (jBXWv)

435 278 - Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 17, 2025 01:17 PM

Apples & oranges...the Pakis have nukes because the Indians do. This is less about 'islam' then it is about the Paki elites staying cozy on their thrones.

The Pakis are forever looking over their shoulders, wondering when when the axe is going to fall on them

Posted by: CPT. Charles at June 17, 2025 01:42 PM (XjTSo)

436 Rather nice to have a straight-talking leader...no BS, right to the point. Not a lot of the usual state-department wishy-washy obfuscation.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at June 17, 2025 01:43 PM (cWffP)

437 Ugh, Tranmiral Levine sock off.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at June 17, 2025 01:44 PM (lHAAk)

438
Not having Khomeini whacked was the Shah's biggest failing. He was so busy looking for Reds under every bed that he ignored the mouth-foaming clerics on the street corners.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 17, 2025 01:32 PM (KC35q)

As I recall, the Reds and leftists were the ones who did most of the work during the Revolution in '79. They'd got to the point where they were close to forcing the Shah out, but needed a last bit of political capital and street muscle to succeed. That's when the mullahs were brought on board, although I can't remember if the Reds specifically asked the Frogs to ship Khomeni in or if the Frogs did it on their own.

Then the Reds relaxed when the Shah's guys ran away, and the mullahs got their people together and started shooting the Reds in the face.

The Princess Gate Iranian Embassy takeover in London that brought the SAS into the public eye in '80 was the last gasp of Iranian Reds when they tried to take over the embassy from the mullah-aligned diplomats there.

Funny how things link together.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 17, 2025 01:49 PM (y9nCu)

439 Plus... it's got secret squirrel stuff even Israel isn't going to get to see. Ever.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 17, 2025 01:29 PM (Q4IgG)

Romulan cloaking device?

Posted by: Methos at June 17, 2025 01:51 PM (Dnobf)

440 avid Reaboi, Late Republic Nonsense@davereaboi . 5h

He [Vance] should probably find out who on JD’s team is leaking to Politico and Axios.

JD Vance@JDVance . 4h

This loser (who supported Desantis in the 2024 primary) is now attacking my team, which has been working tirelessly to implement the president’s agenda.

He has no evidence for this BS smear because there isn’t any

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 01:52 PM (Ffc+8)

441 The Pakis are forever looking over their shoulders, wondering when when the axe is going to fall on them
Posted by: CPT. Charle
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If they minded their own business they wouldn't have to worry.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 17, 2025 01:55 PM (Ffc+8)

442 >> 203 People are only against war when the other side is in charge, it seems.
Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at June 17, 2025 12:50 PM (ERYKL)

>>> As was stated in the previous thread "... different conflicts with different motivations and different strategic considerations for us."

I am opposed to US involvement in the Russia / Ukraine thing. I am opposed because Russia isn't our enemy, Ukraine isn't our ally, and we pretty much set up the entire conflict in the first place. Precisely zero of those things is true where Israel / Iran is concerned.

Yeah, exactly. My case in point.

Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at June 17, 2025 01:55 PM (ERYKL)

443 Here's the thing - Israel doesn't need to U.S. bunker busters.

1) Isarel has constantly and continuously surprised everyone with the depth of sophistication of this attack. They have obviously been planning this for years.

2) Anyone think they don't have a plan for every nuclear facility? All of them? Even the most heavily fortified ones?

3) My guess - their plan requires air supremacy, which they have now achieved.

4) Cargo plane, and a massive fucking bomb. It flies low and slow, so needs a safe corridor for the attack.

5) And boomity.

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at June 17, 2025 01:57 PM (gDhA9)

444 Ace and Morons, if I haven't said in the last month or so how much I love you, I am saying it now.

Other blogs, mostly normal with conservative bent, are up in arms (some posters) that "I voted for President Trump to not go to war and keep his promises." Very pie in the sky. In five months, he is trying to STOP war.

Dealing with the eeslam barbarians has never been an easy task. As they are inbred with tribal DNA. Oh, sure, the Dims have helped them over the years since Carter upended everything.

It never occurs to peabrains that the warplanes the MSM are shrieking about just simply could be a show of force? I could be wrong and could be dead tonight from a stray nuke.

I voted for mostly deporting God knows how many bazillions of illegals in this country, who could cause war within. I also voted against the Dims and Kamkook who got us deep into this foreign invasion to start with. I voted for President Trump as he was the best, in my eyes, to swat complete unhinged idiots off like gnats.

No, I did not vote for war. No, I also did not vote for the squabbling hysteria of GOP self kings like Tucker, or the MSM or social media propaganda...who cause wars within conservatives.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at June 17, 2025 02:12 PM (6PCLE)

445 We're getting close to flaming ayatollah skull territory, aren't we?
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at June 17, 2025 12:41 PM (h7ZuX)

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*rubs hands together*
*channels my inner Flounder*

Oh boy this is gonna be great!

Posted by: haffhowershower at June 17, 2025 02:37 PM (144I4)

446 384 Eric Daugherty
@EricLDaugh
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2m
BREAKING: Sen. Alex Padilla cries, gets very emotional on the Senate floor as he recounts the experience of being detained after disrupting Sec. Noem’s press conference.

“Not ONCE did they tell me why…I pray you never have a moment like this.”
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What a pussy. Trump should call him that to just to set the leftists women, both the XX and the XY types off.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 17, 2025 02:37 PM (17s+e)

447 "First and foremost Iran has allegedly been a week from obtaining a nuclear weapon for my entire adult life. So count me as not convinced that there is some existential threat to the United States brewing in Iran."

The only reason they have had delays is that Israel and the US have repeatedly set back their efforts with covert attacks. But, you cannot count on the luck of succeeding with covert attacks forever.

I'm so tired of hearing all of this crap about Israel "starting a war". The war was started by Iran (using proxy forces; Hamas, Hezbollah) on October 7, 2023. This is just another battle in that war, hopefully the final. As though Israel has no right to finish the fight Iran started in a manner that suits Israel.

It seems like the people who claim Israel "started a war" would claim each punch in a boxing match was a separate fight.

Posted by: Brian at June 17, 2025 02:40 PM (iK8a4)

448 I gotta say, I'm really tired of reading about how Trump is going back on his word on not starting any "NEW WARS".

For the love of Christ, Iran has been at war with the US for nearly FIFTY YEARS.

Who do you think paid for the Marine Barracks bombing in Lebanon ??? As if taking our embassy hostages wasn't enough.

Posted by: deadrody at June 17, 2025 03:10 PM (qf6NU)

449 Peace through superior firepower and tactics!

Posted by: JML at June 17, 2025 03:12 PM (1UudH)

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