Gun Thread: Mid-June & Father's Day Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving Hell did it get to be Mid-June and Father's Day? A big hearty Gun Thread HFD to all the Dads out there!

Big happenings in WeaselWorld this week. After 40 years with the same company, I retired on Friday. Frankly, it's hard to believe I didn't manage to somehow screw that up at some point over the years. Anyhoo, that should free up some time for farming and shooting and Gun Thread writin', and who knows - maybe even some WeaselAcres videos down the road. But bigger than that; way, way, WAY bigger than that, the 2025 NoVAMoMe is this coming Saturday, June 21st. There is still time for you to email our pal bluebell if you would like to attend, but you really should now be rushing your NoVAMoMe plans to completion. Hope to see you next Saturday!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals

Fundamentals of attitude and preparation, that is. Last week I asked the following:

Welp, I think we have pretty well established you people, for the most part, are not thinking about anything and definitely not focusing on fundamentals when you are shooting.
SIGH
This hurts, people. This hurts Weasel deeply
Q: Weasel, why does our lack of focus on fundamentals hurt you so deeply?
A: Glad you asked.
It hurts Weasel, because Weasel knows this is the true path to shooting enlightenment.
How about attitude? Do you think your attitude affects your shooting? If so, how so?

What I am getting at is attitude and mental preparation are key aspects of performance. It doesn't much matter what complex task you are performing, your attitude and preparation plays an important part in deciding whether you suck or perform well. That's what this whole focus on fundamentals boils down to. If you want to shoot well, focus on the fundamentals of shooting. If you want to make toast well, focus on the fundamentals of making toast.

Hell, you don't need to believe me. Here is a video with a Delta badass describing his very own focus on fundamentals during his official badass training. It's over three hours long, but you only need to watch a few minutes.

Skip to 24:00 and stop around 33:35.

See? Do you see? I did not just make this fundamentals business up. If you want to shoot well, it starts with fundamentals. If you want to improve, it continues with fundamentals.

So what about attitude?

Attitude is a part of preparation. Proper attitude involves focusing on the task at hand. I have mentioned this before, but I have seen more than one competitive shooter take themselves entirely out of a match on the basis of attitude alone. You have to be positive and confident about what you are doing on the range. You need to mentally rehearse the proper fundamental way of doing things before you start, and then go do them at the range. Things not working out? Ready to quit and go home and lick your wounds? No. Go back to fundamentals and figure out what went wrong.

Try it people. It works.

Next Week: Fundamentals.

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The Fourth Shot
Or how I shamed my ancestors by not focusing on Fundamentals.

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M3 and M3A1 Grease Guns

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.380 Better Than You Think?

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Our Pal The Turbine Jet Engine

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Highway Patrol!
This week's episode Trojan Horse

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Gamera The Invincible!

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2025 NoVAMoMe

Note: One of the great joys of NoVAMoMe season, at least for me, is being able to cut and paste the entire block of text below and haranguing you to attend the event. Are you attending? Are you focusing on the fundamentals of attending?

Alright, guys and gals, the long awaited and highly anticipated details of the 2025 NoVAMoMe are here! That's right, I finally got my act together and updated the information page for 2025, and need to go over a few details. First, the date is June 21st, 2025. Nextly, my bestest blog buddy bluebell and I have decided 2025 will be a year of NoVAMoMe simplification, and want to pass along the changes from prior years.

First, no more registration and no more advance charge for food. If you would like to attend, send an email to WeaselBell Productions, and let us know. You will be directed to a sekrit webpage with all of the details. We do ask once you have decided to attend to let us know so we can coordinate an expected count with venue management. Once there if you are hungry or thirsty simply order from the onsite menu and pay separately. Cash and credit cards accepted. Next, although fun, we have decided to take a break from the raffles and mug sales this year. Depending on how it goes, that may be something we bring back in future years. While your generosity is always appreciated, with no prize table, please leave donations and contributions at home, but bring your appetite for a great afternoon spent with your imaginary online friends.

A NoVAMoMe PSA from our pal bluebell

Hi folks - just a quick PSA. If you write for info about the MoMe, please give us a few words in the body of the email just so I know you are a Moron and not a spammer (moron). I do receive spam on this email account because it's sitting right here in my nic, so that's why I'm asking. I don't want to give our details to a spammer. Also, remember to check your spam folder if you don't receive a reply email.
Thanks.
bluebell

Seriously, just send an email then go to the website with the password provided. If you forget, a link to the email is on the main page, left sidebar. If you do not sign up, bluebell will be disappointed. Weasel will be disappointed, too, but it's bluebell you need to worry about.

That's it, people. Email WeaselBell Productions today!

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Cigar of the Week

061525 Rhomboid Undercrown Shade Drew Estate scaled.jpg

This week our pal rhomboid scores again with this excellent review of the Undercrown Shade by Drew Estate

Lately I've been trending mostly maduro and darker fare, but came into a new-to-me Connecticut shade stick to try, and glad I did. Drew Estate's Undercrown Shade is a handsome golden brown cigar with minimal "tooth" or veins to its wrapper. Actually as you'll see in the photo, this stick had some small cracks in the wrapper up near the cap. Noticed this, so got out my handy burmacol (vegetable glue, what holds cigars together) and touched up the flaws - and let it dry while I loaded another 50 rounds of 45ACP. When I did burn this cigar, it was a pleasant experience throughout. Even burn, nice medium draw, ample smoke (though not as much as many Drew Estate sticks put out, which can be sort of amazing). Definitely mild-medium, with a distinct overall sweetness, and to me a sweet citrusy note. Perfect choice when you're looking for something mild and easy. I smoked the gran toro (6 X 52), which can be found online for just over $8. As a side note, any more than occasional cigar smoker should have the glue on hand. I have PerfecRepair brand, there are others. Wrappers do sometimes crack, and for a few bucks you can have the ability to save a cigar that would otherwise unravel on you.

Most excellent, rhomboid! Thank you!

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
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Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
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***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal CBD. Great one!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Gubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 15, 2025 07:00 PM (Wnv9h)

2 First

Posted by: Reforger at June 15, 2025 07:00 PM (LgDgc)

3 bang

Posted by: Eromero at June 15, 2025 07:00 PM (LHPAg)

4 woohoo!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 15, 2025 07:01 PM (/Ghsb)

5 Let your focus on the Fundamentals slip, even the tiniest bit, and I'll be there.

Posted by: The Fourth Shot at June 15, 2025 07:01 PM (0sNs1)

6 Good evening one and all!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 15, 2025 07:01 PM (0XVad)

7 The Others have been summoned.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 15, 2025 07:01 PM (Wnv9h)

8 Big happenings in WeaselWorld this week. After 40 years with the same company, I retired on Friday.

Congrats and enjoy! *cheers*

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 15, 2025 07:02 PM (mH6SG)

9 lol, I saw that "spring in the air" meme yesterday; glad someone sent it to you, Weasel!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 15, 2025 07:04 PM (/Ghsb)

10 Too10?

Posted by: Coelacanth at June 15, 2025 07:04 PM (EABvN)

11 Yay Retirement! Many Happy Returns!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 15, 2025 07:05 PM (/Ghsb)

12 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at June 15, 2025 07:05 PM (BCwQW)

13 Big happenings in WeaselWorld this week. After 40 years with the same company, I retired on Friday.

Congratulations, Weasel! Enjoy your retirement, and what I'm sure will be much time on the farm, farming organic trees and planting freedom seeds.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 15, 2025 07:05 PM (Wnv9h)

14 Congrats, Weasel.

What's the yield on WeaselFunds?

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 15, 2025 07:05 PM (zZu0s)

15 Congratulations on your retirement, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at June 15, 2025 07:07 PM (BCwQW)

16 Big happenings in WeaselWorld this week. After 40 years with the same company, I retired on Friday.

You don't look that old!

Time to work more on your organic tree farming?

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 15, 2025 07:07 PM (S/Y4j)

17 Congrats on the retirement Weasel!
With no travel on the schedule this week, I have plans for 3 separate range outings before the next Gun Thread.
Hopefully I still remember my fundamentals....

Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at June 15, 2025 07:09 PM (IQ6Gq)

18 Good evening Horde. Congrats Weasel!

Posted by: TRex at June 15, 2025 07:09 PM (IQ6Gq)

19 Here is a video with a Delta badass

Can we reach that conclusion accurately, and with sufficient precision, without knowing the diameter of his watch?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 15, 2025 07:10 PM (0sNs1)

20 I remember watches.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 15, 2025 07:11 PM (i51dK)

21 Happy Father's Day, gub 'Rons! Went to the range yesterday after a too long hiatus and did passably well with my 9mm and 45 ACP at 15, 10 and 7 yds.

Spent today at the CWS with my two boys and Mrs. MKC. Daughter would've joined but she's studying abroad this month. Feeling immensely blessed. Hope y'all are as well.

Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at June 15, 2025 07:12 PM (xdggF)

22 And Congratulations on becoming retireded, Weasel!
I’m pretty sure you’ll find so much to do, you’re going to wonder how you ever got it all done.

Looking forward to your future postings

Happy Father’s Day to all the fathers out there and wishing the GunHorde a great week.

I did get to the range this week for a Cowboy match. Came in last as usual (been a year and a half) but learned a few things and cleaned 2 of 6 stages.

Posted by: Coelacanth at June 15, 2025 07:13 PM (EABvN)

23 And congrats on retirement, Weasel!

Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at June 15, 2025 07:13 PM (xdggF)

24 Well done, Weasel. Let me know when you get bored!

Posted by: RI Red at June 15, 2025 07:13 PM (tez/p)

25 Congrats on retirement, Weasel!

Now you can do all the fun things you never had time to do before!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 15, 2025 07:14 PM (GlyvH)

26 Congrats on retirement, Weasel-san.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 15, 2025 07:15 PM (/y8xj)

27 Hi everybody!
Congrats Weasel. Retirement is wonderful especially if you have "hobbies".
here a bit earlier than usual because a small contingent of the MGC met yesterday at the range. I continue to work on sighting both with iron sights and with the dots. Shot at 3, 5, 7 and 9 yds and had fun. Had fewer episodes of double vision. The G48 with the holosun green dot was the clearest. Because it is a circle and not a solid it is easier to focus on the target. I'm almost convinced I won;t need shooting glasses but will need more sessions to make sure .

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 15, 2025 07:16 PM (t/2Uw)

28 Congrats on Retirement Weasel! Thanks for the Gun Thread!

Posted by: DBCooper at June 15, 2025 07:16 PM (dfIBf)

29 40 years with the same company? Wow.
That deserves a big congratulations!

Posted by: Case at June 15, 2025 07:18 PM (k7qYZ)

30 Which one of Weasel's doggies what the grand marshal of the Weasel-parade?

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at June 15, 2025 07:19 PM (xIkyh)

31 Congrats. I’m sure you will be missed!

Posted by: H at June 15, 2025 07:20 PM (2gjbv)

32 Weasel, you never disclosed the Fundamental in question with the Fourth Shot.

Posted by: RI Red at June 15, 2025 07:23 PM (tez/p)

33 Changing out my truck’s oil, and sadly no time at the range. Too much work. But soon.

Posted by: Cow Demon at June 15, 2025 07:24 PM (vm8sq)

34 Undercrown Shade is a good stick but like almost all Drew Estate sticks I think they’re overpriced. The Diesel Uncut CT is a similar smoke (I like it better, actually) for 1/3 less price. The uncut is one of my go-to smokes when I’m looking for something lighter, maybe mild- to medium-bodied.

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at June 15, 2025 07:24 PM (pNjYF)

35 Posted by: RI Red at June 15, 2025 07:23 PM (tez/p)
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I think it's safe to say sight alignment was a contributing factor

Posted by: Weasel at June 15, 2025 07:25 PM (/Y1xN)

36 Got back to my shooting spot and did some sight adjusting. Wyomingsightdrifter.com makes a nifty little gadget, sort of like a spring loaded slide hammer. It will eventually move the most stubborn dovetailed sight.
The Ruger RXM 9mm shot quite nicely. It takes Glock magazines, is set up for a future red dot sight, and retails for about $400. I say every household should have one, along with their Remington 870 12 gauge and the family AR-15.
The 1911 Turkish clone got a workout. Tisas "Duty" model in .45 ACP. The good news is it shot nice groups with factory 230 grain FMJ. The bad news it printed those groups 5 inches high at 25 yards. I could file down the rear sight, but I think I will fiddle around with ammo selection first. A 200 grain load might hit lower enough. A taller front sight is also a possibility.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 15, 2025 07:26 PM (T+iUJ)

37 Congrats on retirement, Weasel.

Posted by: scampydog at June 15, 2025 07:27 PM (41CYW)

38 Congratulations on the retirement Weasel!!!!!

May you spend many many many days down on the tree farm.

See you next weekend!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 15, 2025 07:28 PM (0XVad)

39 Scuba, you coming to the NoVA MoMe?

Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at June 15, 2025 07:28 PM (IQ6Gq)

40 Hey, I'm here. A little late due to Father's Day stuff.

Unfortunately, due to father stuff, I won't be able to go to the NoVaMoMe. My son will require my presence as he does the getting married thing (not the big shindig, yet) and we meet the other parents.

It's over three hours long, but you only need to watch a few minutes.
Then he obviously is NOT paying attention to the fundamentals.

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 07:29 PM (KoK5d)

41 I think it's safe to say sight alignment was a contributing factor
Posted by: Weasel at June 15, 2025 07:25 PM (/Y1xN)

Well, I couldn’t see your sock tension, and the Range did not look Angry that day. But I trust your judgment.

Posted by: RI Red at June 15, 2025 07:29 PM (tez/p)

42 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 15, 2025 07:16 PM

Is the DMVMGC meeting on Sunday?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 15, 2025 07:30 PM (Wnv9h)

43 Sorry I'm late - I was on the phone sequentially with two of my offspring who called to wish me a Happy Father's Day for today and Happy Birthday for tomorrow.
Congrats on the retirement, Weasel, and welcome to the Get Off My Lawn Brigade!

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at June 15, 2025 07:31 PM (PN5uJ)

44 Posted by: RI Red at June 15, 2025 07:29 PM (tez/p)
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Honestly I knew that I had pulled the shot as soon as I pulled the trigger.

Posted by: Weasel at June 15, 2025 07:31 PM (/Y1xN)

45 Weasel,

Welcome to retirement!! If you are like us, it took a little time to get used to sleeping until we woke instead of the alarm. Sure as hell never missed the commute.

Posted by: JTB at June 15, 2025 07:31 PM (yTvNw)

46 I went to the Chantilly show on Friday and Saturday (missed the DMV MGC meet up, oops). Picked out a safe because the collection needs more room. Prices for guns appeared to hold steady, but some noteworthy firearms had price cuts on them. Trader Jerry had H&K SP5s cut from $3299 to $2799. SSG Tactical had a good selection on Benelli M4s set up with the collapsing stock ($2200) and M-LOK handguards ($2700). It was the best selection I've ever seen of these hard to source shotguns. A lot of rare ammo was out there (factory.38 Long Colt, .44 Russian). But the tariffs are starting to bite a little. Foreign made ammo was scarce, along with some firearms. Word going around was that if you wanted something that's imported into the US, you might want to grab it now. There's no guarantee on how the trade negotiations will go, so the distributors were saying that what they have in the pipeline is all they'll get for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: Ed L at June 15, 2025 07:32 PM (BCwQW)

47 Congratulations on your retirement weasel! Good for you!

How did the dog walker do on her date with Gertie?

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 15, 2025 07:32 PM (mT+6a)

48 I don’t go shooting as often as I’d like, but when I do go, I just keep it safe and have fun. I don’t sweat the group. I like shooting different guns more than perfect precision. I am a pretty good shot, though. Not great. But good. I don’t have a lot of shooting experience, but the calm relaxed sighting and pull comes pretty naturally to me. All these years of extreme sports, I guess.

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at June 15, 2025 07:32 PM (pNjYF)

49 How did the dog walker do on her date with Gertie?
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 15, 2025 07:32 PM (mT+6a)
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Possibly a slight improvement!

Posted by: Weasel at June 15, 2025 07:34 PM (/Y1xN)

50 Thank you for all the good wishes, everyone!

Posted by: Weasel at June 15, 2025 07:36 PM (/Y1xN)

51 39 Scuba, you coming to the NoVA MoMe?

Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at June 15, 2025 07:28 PM

Yes I am! Looking forward to it.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 15, 2025 07:37 PM (0XVad)

52 51 39 Scuba, you coming to the NoVA MoMe?

Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at June 15, 2025 07:28 PM

Yes I am! Looking forward to it.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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Excellent. See you then.

Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at June 15, 2025 07:37 PM (IQ6Gq)

53 Sunday shoot after the MoMe uncertain as I had not heard from anyone. We didn;t reserve a specific space last year so we can do it on short notice but several MGC members are unavailable so not sure how many we can accomodate.
So people, let me know!

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 15, 2025 07:41 PM (t/2Uw)

54 Broderick Crawford pulls the snubbie, takes down another crook.

Posted by: Eromero at June 15, 2025 07:42 PM (LHPAg)

55 Instys comment section is suboptimal.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 15, 2025 07:43 PM (zZu0s)

56 53 So people, let me know!

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 15, 2025 07:41 PM
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We're in if it's on! (If not, we'll probably go to the range on our own anyway. Need to work on fundamentals.)

Posted by: TRex at June 15, 2025 07:44 PM (IQ6Gq)

57 Pretty good work for a guy who died 39 years ago.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 15, 2025 07:45 PM (i51dK)

58 Atomic Batteries to Power! Turbines to Speed!

Posted by: Dick Grayson at June 15, 2025 07:45 PM (63Dwl)

59 And, congrats Weasel.
I hope it goes well for you. And the pooches and WW.

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 07:45 PM (KoK5d)

60 53 So people, let me know!

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 15, 2025 07:41 PM

I will be there.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 15, 2025 07:46 PM (0XVad)

61 Howdy!

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at June 15, 2025 07:48 PM (sAmhv)

62 Weasel
Congratulations on your retirement!! Well deserved no doubt.

Fundamentals - ask Israel, when they aren't busy picking pieces of Iran's ass off their boots - how they do it

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at June 15, 2025 07:50 PM (7v6oI)

63
Son and Grandsons took Hubby to the Badlands today to shoot.

Everyone had a great time and it was such a wonderful present for Hubby.

Posted by: four seasons at June 15, 2025 07:50 PM (3ek7K)

64 Sharon, I'm in if we're on for Sunday.

Posted by: Ed L at June 15, 2025 07:51 PM (BCwQW)

65 We're in if it's on! (If not, we'll probably go to the range on our own anyway. Need to work on fundamentals.)

Posted by: TRex
oh, that's great news. Worst case we can coordinate on Saturday. really looking forward to getting to shoot with all of you.
Okay Scubs, you're on the list. RMBS?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 15, 2025 07:51 PM (t/2Uw)

66 So people, let me know!
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 15, 2025

The RMBS Mom and I are in!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 15, 2025 07:55 PM (Wnv9h)

67 Instys comment section is suboptimal.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 15, 2025 07:43 PM (zZu0s)

This site is longest running more or less open political forum that I'm aware of. Right or Left.

The credit should go to Ace.

You still don't have to go through any loopholes to comment here.

Posted by: Sadowski at June 15, 2025 07:56 PM (r2ymA)

68 My range has pigs on it but do to circumstances I am not able to eradicate them.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 15, 2025 07:56 PM (DLqye)

69 Due, crikey. I might need a drink

Posted by: Ben Had at June 15, 2025 07:57 PM (DLqye)

70 Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at June 15, 2025 07:58 PM (xcxpd)

71 Congrats Weasel. Won't be too long before you wonder where all the time went.

The "Grease Gun" was the standard firearm for my units recovery vehicles personnel. They had to qualify on it. I never took the time to fire it. Regret not taking the opportunity.

Posted by: Javems at June 15, 2025 07:59 PM (8I4hW)

72 Son and Grandsons took Hubby ... to shoot.
Posted by: four seasons at June 15, 2025 07:50 PM (3ek7K)

Absolutely the best.

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 07:59 PM (KoK5d)

73 Never shot an M1A. Aside from the convenience of a magazine, is there any advantage over the Garand for casual or serious target shooting?

Posted by: JTB at June 15, 2025 08:00 PM (yTvNw)

74 Hey Y'all Having a good fathers day here. son in law smoked some meat, daughter is giving horse lessons and i'm having a beer ,Allagash White if you've ever had one, and watching a pretty good US Open .

Posted by: Big Alfredo at June 15, 2025 08:00 PM (Vdukr)

75 I am afraid I will not be there, Sharon.

But it's for an important cause.

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 08:01 PM (KoK5d)

76 The RMBS Mom and I are in!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState
Excellent!

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 15, 2025 08:01 PM (t/2Uw)

77 Oh yeah and congrats Weasel man!!

Posted by: Big Alfredo at June 15, 2025 08:01 PM (Vdukr)

78 Short note now, will be back to read content in a moment.

But did more testing with the G30. The light primer strikes have gone away with the new striker spring, but it's failing to go into battery sometimes. Maybe limp wristing but...this hasn't been an issue until now and I've had more than 1k rounds through it before this. Guessing recoil spring needs replacing, as I did buy the gun used. Unknown mileage. But it's demoted from EDC until I get it running back to normal.

One the positive side, the Glock 26 is really impressing me. Again used frame, used slide. New recoil spring and a detailed clean have gotten rid of all mechanical problems. (It still needs the rear sight drifted right) The gun is running well, printing good groups and is very comfortable to fire especially with Magpu 12 round magazines. It is getting promoted to a Summer carry option. I have a Don Hume IWB holster on the way for it. We'll see how it carries.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at June 15, 2025 08:02 PM (xcxpd)

79 So sorry GWB. Will you be at the MoMe?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 15, 2025 08:02 PM (t/2Uw)

80 Big Alfredo, you had me at horse lessons. What discipline?

Posted by: Ben Had at June 15, 2025 08:03 PM (DLqye)

81 Posted by: JTB at June 15, 2025 08:00 PM (yTvNw)
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JTB - Maybe it's just me but I have always said the M1A is the most comfortable and naturally pointing rifle I have. Not much about it to not like!

Posted by: Weasel at June 15, 2025 08:03 PM (DJPFk)

82 Congrats on the retirement, Weasel! Look forward to hearing your gun hobby adventures in retirement.

I had a good day at the range yesterday with the MGC - I was able to continue to improve my consistency on with my Sig P365. Finally progress on eliminating the flinch!!

Posted by: Iris at June 15, 2025 08:05 PM (bOJ2I)

83 Posted by: Iris at June 15, 2025 08:05 PM (bOJ2I)
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Thanks! Nice work at the range!

Posted by: Weasel at June 15, 2025 08:05 PM (DJPFk)

84 Come one, come all to our NoVaMoMe on Saturday! I promise to pry Weasel out of his rocking chair and drag him along!

Looking forward to seeing you all - and remember, lurkers are warmly welcomed. In fact, some of our inveterate attendees are lurkers, and they must enjoy it because they keep coming back each year.

Email me for the details, and we will see you there! And happy Father's Day to all you dads!

Posted by: bluebell at June 15, 2025 08:07 PM (79pEw)

85 So sorry GWB. Will you be at the MoMe?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 15, 2025 08:02 PM (t/2Uw)

Not at NoVa.

I'm keeping my powder dry for October.

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 08:07 PM (KoK5d)

86 The "Grease Gun" was the standard firearm for my units recovery vehicles personnel. They had to qualify on it. I never took the time to fire it. Regret not taking the opportunity.
Posted by: Javems at June 15, 2025 07:59 PM (8I4hW)

I remember the troops in 3rd Armored Division walking around with those in 1990-91 during Operation Desert Storm. IIRC, they didn't carry them with magazines in like everyone else because carrying an M3 loaded with the bolt cocked to rear is unsafe. If the bolt goes forward on a loaded magazine, it will fire.

Posted by: Ed L at June 15, 2025 08:08 PM (BCwQW)

87 I feel so out of it...
Iris, congrats and welcome to the P365 club!
GWB, we'll miss you, but family always comes first. Especially for happy reasons....

Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at June 15, 2025 08:08 PM (IQ6Gq)

88 By the way, Weasel, I lost it at the Mandela funeral sign language guy. That was hilarious.

Posted by: bluebell at June 15, 2025 08:08 PM (79pEw)

89 bluebell, thank you and Weasel for the NoVaMoMe. It is a very special thing you do.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 15, 2025 08:09 PM (DLqye)

90 By the way, Weasel, I lost it at the Mandela funeral sign language guy. That was hilarious.
Posted by: bluebell at June 15, 2025 08:08 PM (79pEw)

I was wondering if you could AI that guy. Make him so he's spelling "fundamentals" over and over and over. (Except for the 4th shot - "oops.")

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 08:10 PM (KoK5d)

91 I'll look for the Diesel Uncut CT, Elric, thanks for the lead.

I generally approach cigar procurement like that for reloading components - a game to spend as few $ as possible. This particular Undercrown clocked in at $1.70, thanks to an "introductory" sampler deal from Cigar Page that somehow was open to a long-time customer like me.

With various vendors, sales, and specials, I can't say I have seen any particular pattern of priciness for Drew Estate products. Apart from the obvious suspects - Ashton, Padron, et al - I think my costs are similar across brands. Oliva is the one big brand that's usually a bit cheaper.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 08:11 PM (1m82a)

92 Logged in to the Gun Thread on my Linux laptop. No problems at all. Looks like it's time to retire the Win 7 HD in my desktop box. I have a never-used SSD. Time to rig that in and load Linux Mint onto it. Keep the Win 7 HD for all the data stored on it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 15, 2025 08:11 PM (QQyLh)

93 Wait, GWB - you're not coming? Boooo!

Posted by: bluebell at June 15, 2025 08:11 PM (79pEw)

94 Posted by: bluebell at June 15, 2025 08:08 PM (79pEw)
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That still makes me laugh!

Posted by: Weasel at June 15, 2025 08:13 PM (DJPFk)

95 We have 4 here . 2 Quarter horses and two thoroughbreds My daughter was on the Hunter Jumper team at Asbury college in Lexington. And they rescue Thoroughbreds after they get done racing , so a couple she trained ended up following her home from college. We are starting an equestrian therapy biz here. The bad part is I have a gun range here but cant shoot that often anymore cause it's right next to the horse pasture and she doesn't want me to spook them . Insert sad emoji .

Posted by: Big Alfredo at June 15, 2025 08:13 PM (Vdukr)

96 Wait, GWB - you're not coming? Boooo!
Posted by: bluebell at June 15, 2025 08:11 PM

What bluebell said!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 15, 2025 08:14 PM (Wnv9h)

97 Had an interesting shootin' match this morning but only participated a bit due to an odd and badly timed flare-up of what I think is tendonitis in left forearm (ECU tendon). Diagnosed by a forearm specialist orthopedic surgeon a few years back - he skated in my regular pick-up and one day I had my favorite kind of medical appointment: talking with a top-level doc while gearing up before a scrimmage.

Anyway the match had all manner of interesting challenges (pushing a push-mover with one hand while one-handed shooting, etc). We hope it will be a recurring event.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 08:15 PM (1m82a)

98 Big Alfredo, what a wonderful endeavor. Don't hesitate to reach out to Veterans.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 15, 2025 08:15 PM (DLqye)

99 Senor Hererra has thoughts on the grease gun.

https://youtu.be/2dOr6Hvm-tU

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 15, 2025 08:17 PM (Wnv9h)

100 45ACP (Gawd's Own Caliber) reloading completed, now 30 carbine. Gonna make a crap-ton of that, as the carbine is a such a fun and easy little rifle to shoot, one tends to burn up lots of ammo. My female supervisor loves it, and shoots it well. Then on to the rest: 9mm, 45 Colt, .380, and 30-06 for the M1s. Cans are empty and crying out to be filled.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 08:18 PM (1m82a)

101 (pushing a push-mover with one hand while one-handed shooting, etc)
Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 08:15 PM (1m82a)

Whaaat?! Did you get points off if the row wasn't straight?

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 08:19 PM (KoK5d)

102 About those .380's

I have one in my truck, one in my wife's vehicle and one in a lockbox we take while evacuating... like for a tornado or some other natural/man-made disaster.

Ammo is... fairly light and they're all mostly "throw-aways" when the ammo runs out. And all have several magazines and reloads... but you never know.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 15, 2025 08:19 PM (Q4IgG)

103 OT: JJ Spaun holds on and wins his first major, the US Open. He won at Oakmont, no easy feat, and was the only player under par, -1.

(Goes back lurking)

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at June 15, 2025 08:19 PM (sAmhv)

104 "unsafe" is a state of mind ... innit?
when the cover is closed, the greasegun is "safe", innit?

me. I go around with j-frames & a p290 allatime, ... what would be intrinsically unsafe, right? just pull trigger; bang.

dunno how an m3 would respond to: full mag; cover closed; trigger pulled. someone inform me?

safety is in the mind, not the machinery;
a lifetime around all kindsa machine shops has engraved this in my CNS.

ymmv, innit?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 15, 2025 08:21 PM (/Ghsb)

105
Since this is Father's Day + gun thread, I'd like to submit this candidate for Father of the Year:

https://tinyurl.com/4tnp29kf

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 15, 2025 08:21 PM (wbZPZ)

106 Hey Ben, Vets and kids with disabilities are definitely part of the program. My daughter, for her day job, runs the barn at Saddle Up in Franklin,TN and that's what they do. check it out. It's a really good place.

Posted by: Big Alfredo at June 15, 2025 08:22 PM (Vdukr)

107 yeah, you go linux, AOP!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 15, 2025 08:22 PM (/Ghsb)

108 sock_rat, yes it is.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 15, 2025 08:22 PM (DLqye)

109 > Since this is Father's Day + gun thread, I'd like to submit this candidate for Father of the Year
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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Classic.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 15, 2025 08:23 PM (Q4IgG)

110
(pushing a push-mover with one hand while one-handed shooting, etc)
Posted by: rhomboid a

Whaaat?! Did you get points off if the row wasn't straight?
Posted by: GWB

Sounds like it could be an Olympic event.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 15, 2025 08:23 PM (63Dwl)

111 *fistbump!*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 15, 2025 08:23 PM (/Ghsb)

112 Big Alfredo, I definitely will take a look. Thank you for doing this.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 15, 2025 08:24 PM (DLqye)

113 "45ACP (Gawd's Own Caliber) "

Rhomboid what is your go-to carry caliber?

Posted by: Sadowski at June 15, 2025 08:25 PM (r2ymA)

114 The M3 Grease Gun was also the original SMG equipping Delta Force when it was first formed in the 1970s.

Posted by: Ed L at June 15, 2025 08:25 PM (BCwQW)

115 Since this is Father's Day + gun thread, I'd like to submit this candidate for Father of the Year:

https://tinyurl.com/4tnp29kf
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 15, 2025 08:21 PM

"Why, Gary, why?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LBxCI3IZrc&t=594s

Fine shootin'.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 15, 2025 08:27 PM (Wnv9h)

116 My carry caliber is .357. I ain't asking you to get off my lawn I'm telling ya.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 15, 2025 08:32 PM (DLqye)

117 I like girls.

Posted by: Will Smith at June 15, 2025 08:34 PM (gKWVE)

118 Sweden screwed us on the Gustav m45 and stopped supplying the US and our Special Forces who used them in the Vietnam War.

We had S&W copy it and came up with the M76. I think you can still buy those if you have the money.

I would love to have one but alas don't have that disposable income .

Posted by: polynikes at June 15, 2025 08:34 PM (VofaG)

119 wel g'night everybody, gotta be up to hit the hiking trails at dawn;
thanks as always Weasel, w/ apologies for slacking on fundamentals (not to mention ammo purchasing)
... how 'bout a treat all around for the Cute Lil' Dog Department?

& g'night again! allayouse!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 15, 2025 08:34 PM (/Ghsb)

120 Ah the Boeing 707 and its four JT8D engines.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 15, 2025 08:35 PM (cnfpB)

121 There’s a couple pistols and a couple long guns I make sure I’m regularly practicing with.

1. My carry which is a Colt .380
2. My bedside gun, a 1911
3. The living room gun, my PPQ
4. The shotty. Also in the living room.

Others are fun and I plink to keep familiarity. The revolver is my “I need to not leave evidence” protector.

Can I say that without getting in trouble?

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 15, 2025 08:36 PM (mT+6a)

122 Can I say that without getting in trouble?
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 15, 2025 08:36 PM

*shifty eyes*

Say what?

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 15, 2025 08:38 PM (Wnv9h)

123 seemingly ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 15, 2025 08:38 PM (/Ghsb)

124 nurse, yes you can. A revolver is a wondrous thing.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 15, 2025 08:38 PM (DLqye)

125 Gotta go but looks like we are on for Sunday. Can iron out details on Saturday at teh MoMe.
Thanks Weasel for making Sunday night my favorite night of the week.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 15, 2025 08:38 PM (t/2Uw)

126 M-3 Grease Gun?

Paul Tibbets, yes that Paul Tibbets, in the 1960s had just passed through some border checkpoint in Europe. It was only after he had gotten through that he remembered in the car's boot was an M-3. IIRC he then quickly found a nice lake and gave the M-3 a proper burial.

But it has many long years since I read his biography where this story is recounted.

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 15, 2025 08:39 PM (cnfpB)

127 Late to the thread, My wife and daughter took me out for a nice meal at a local restaurant. Range report to follow.

Thanks again for the thread, Weasel and congratulations on retiring.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 15, 2025 08:39 PM (tT6L1)

128 Ben had,
Why can't you take care of the pigs?

Posted by: lin-duh at June 15, 2025 08:40 PM (VCgbV)

129 Anna Puma, meeting Paul Tibbets was a high point for me.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 15, 2025 08:40 PM (DLqye)

130 Good evening gub threaders and all the ships at sea! Lots of bug stuff this week!

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 08:41 PM (QfvaV)

131 We had S&W copy it and came up with the M76. I think you can still buy those if you have the money.

I would love to have one but alas don't have that disposable income .
Posted by: polynikes at June 15, 2025 08:34 PM (VofaG)

I saw one on a table at the Chantilly show last year. For a Class 3, it wasn't that bad - about $20k. According to Stinky's Daddy (big S&W guy), the problem is the magazines, or more properly, the lack of them. Unlike the MP5 or M16, parts and accessories for the S&W M76 are getting difficult to source.

Posted by: Ed L at June 15, 2025 08:42 PM (BCwQW)

132 It was only after he had gotten through that he remembered in the car's boot was an M-3. IIRC he then quickly found a nice lake and gave the M-3 a proper burial.

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Wait. He tossed a perfectly good machine gun in a lake?

That's gay.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 15, 2025 08:42 PM (JkO4W)

133 lin-duh. They are not showing up until.after 2 am and I honestly can't get up at that hour.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 15, 2025 08:42 PM (DLqye)

134 Because I am back from a Father's Day dinner at Ruth's Chris. I had the filet because of course I did.

I was armed.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 08:43 PM (QfvaV)

135 Imagine the Communist headlines

"war criminal Paul Tibbets arrested with machine gun."

Posted by: Anna Puma at June 15, 2025 08:44 PM (cnfpB)

136 Nurse, you could say that you're trying to recycle/reuse your revolver's brass.

Posted by: Ed L at June 15, 2025 08:44 PM (BCwQW)

137 So, a couple of range reports. I've been working on the 6.5-06, getting it ready for a couple of matches. Thing seems to shoot ridiculously well. Amusing side note, I was under the impression I was pushing the round extremely hard due to the wacky elevation numbers I was getting when shooting out to 500 and 600 yards.

I then realized it was a combination of bad data and shooter error, mainly shooter error in that I was working from a faulty premise. Yeah, what was throwing me off was my zero stop. I had it set 1/2 MOA high for a 100 yards, hence the weird elevation numbers further out. Once I corrected things, the ballistic app and scope adjustment started lining up. Oops.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 15, 2025 08:44 PM (tT6L1)

138 They are not showing up until.after 2 am and I honestly can't get up at that hour.
Posted by: Ben Had
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I'd have the same problem...

Posted by: lin-duh at June 15, 2025 08:45 PM (VCgbV)

139 134 I was armed.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 08:43 PM
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I'm armed everywhere I go. Short armed, that is.

Posted by: TRex at June 15, 2025 08:45 PM (IQ6Gq)

140 134 Because I am back from a Father's Day dinner at Ruth's Chris. I had the filet because of course I did.

I was armed.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 08:43 PM (QfvaV)

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Did you have to cap a busboy? Because that can completely spoil the conviviality of a nice meal.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 15, 2025 08:45 PM (JkO4W)

141 I was armed.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 08:43 PM (QfvaV)
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You brute!

Posted by: M Fields at June 15, 2025 08:45 PM (tT6L1)

142 I've carried the Glock 19 since 1994.

Posted by: polynikes at June 15, 2025 08:46 PM (VofaG)

143 Let's get to it. The CDS-9. We went through a thing with it. Somehow, sra blaster just doesn't look through the glass on the dot correctly. I shot it with the dot and very accurate. But she was way off. So we decided go to irons. Shooting with irons she was dead on. So that is an interesting observation. I don't know HOW but she is just looking through the glass wrrong. At least she recognized it herself so I di not have to tell her....

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 08:46 PM (QfvaV)

144 I'm armed everywhere I go. Short armed, that is.
Posted by: TRex at June 15, 2025 08:45 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Been inspected recently?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 15, 2025 08:47 PM (tT6L1)

145 Range report!
Farmers local to my regular stomping ground have been baiting pretty heavily, so rabbits were scarce.
Put away the 12g and grabbed the .22, a target, and a pocket full of shells.
Decided to focus on trigger control.
5 round groups from 50ish yards in the paddock.
Standing unsupported would have scored me a fox if it was stationary in that perfect sideshot position.
Leaning against a tree came in at minute-of-bunny.
Prone resting the fore end on my fist for the box's last 3 round got them all inside 2 adjacent squares.
Wobbly shit sucks, I know. I just can't justify the weight of a tripod and bulk of a rear bag for the the shooting I do.

Posted by: Nato at June 15, 2025 08:47 PM (pBz/W)

146 You know....
How about we get the morons who think a FRT makes something a machine gun to watch the M3 Grease Gun video? It mentions over and over how the slow rate of fire makes them so much more effective and useful for shooting lots of commies (sssshhh, don't mention the NAZI thing).

I'm thinking that, just maybe, we could get them WANTING to up the rate of fire on regular firearms to make them supposedly less effective.

Is it worth a try? They are idiots, after all. Could we pull it off?

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 08:47 PM (KoK5d)

147 So...IS .380 better than I think?
Well I think it's a little worse than .38 special. It has just enough power, if you don't use hollowpoints, but you do want to focus on shot placement, multiple hits preferably and ammo for it costs more than 9mm (only about 5 or 6 cents a round for FMJ).

I do carry the round on occasion but not as a primary carry.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 15, 2025 08:48 PM (xcxpd)

148 Cicero, he dropped an atomic bomb.

Sorta has a permanent special ultra-platinum Man Card.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 08:48 PM (1m82a)

149 We got some tickets to Verdi's Rigoletto as a gift. The Lady Cicero asked why I was taking my carry gun to the opera.

I explained that if the performance was bad, I liked to keep the option of taking out the tenor.

It was a joke.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 15, 2025 08:48 PM (JkO4W)

150 I just can't justify the weight of a tripod and bulk of a rear bag for the the shooting I do.
Posted by: Nato at June 15, 2025 08:47 PM (pBz/W)

Consider shooting sticks? They're light and they do help.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 15, 2025 08:49 PM (xcxpd)

151 She decided - on her own - that she needs to focus on fundamentals. Particularly, stance. We've been isoceles shooters but she decided to move to Weaver and then to modified-Weaver (fellas - when your wife starts talking modified-Weaver you know you picked right. I mean, that's not necessary for correct wife selection, but it is a good indicator).

And then she starts talking about CAR. Because, you know, John Wick.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 08:49 PM (QfvaV)

152 142 I've carried the Glock 19 since 1994.
Posted by: polynikes at June 15, 2025 08:46 PM (VofaG)

This is the way.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 15, 2025 08:50 PM (xcxpd)

153 I like girls.
Posted by: Will Smith at June 15, 2025 08:34 PM (gKWVE)

I wouldn't be surprised if Will Smitht at a young age was sexually exploited by homosexual men in the Entertainment Industry.

I would more surprised if he wasn't.

Posted by: Sadowski at June 15, 2025 08:50 PM (r2ymA)

154 Hey Rhomboid, how goes it?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 15, 2025 08:51 PM (JkO4W)

155 Sadowski, don't carry. Only on duty days at the range, in which case it's one of the XD9, 1911, S&W Model 66, or CZ-83 (.380).

Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 08:53 PM (1m82a)

156 We went to the range to try out the irons and stances, but we did not do CAR there. But at home we pulled out the i-Target laser-dry fire thingy and tried some stances. What she theorizes is that she holds the pistol too low when she is in isoceles or Weaver - in a modified-Weaver with thehead tilt she is getting her line of sight more direct.

The CAR "system" is interesting. It seems purpose bult for John Wicking - high rate of fire at very close range. But, just doing it with laser it seems like it would take a LOT of practice to get the muscle memory in place - the shooting from your solar plexus position is very easy to just be wild - you aren't aiming with sights at all.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 08:54 PM (QfvaV)

157 OT but since someone brought up Will Smith, I'll pass along some scurrious gossip as I've got two bourbons in me...

Will is supposed to have hooked his ass to get parts and for recreation in his early career. This was a semi-open secret in the rap community and is part of why Big Willy is mainstream but not really respected in the community.

Jada Pinket is alleged to be one of the best semi-pro doms in Hollywood with a specialty of pegging.

And now, back to the gun talk.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 15, 2025 08:54 PM (xcxpd)

158 Ah the Boeing 707 and its four JT8D engines.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 15, 2025 08:35 PM (cnfpB)

I prefer it with CFM-56 engines. Remind me to tell a story of how quiet those bad boys are if I make it to the TxMoMe.

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 08:54 PM (KoK5d)

159 Nice range session with my oldest (and HS graduate) - practiced with the AR -cheap 5.56 at 100 yds. I'm a bit rusty, but holding 10 rounds within say, 2-2.5 inches. Very pleased with the build, and hasn't FTF once. Then the beretta 92X compact at 15yds with the holosun RDO I slapped on it at Christmas. Tried zeroing it at 25yds, but that seemed too far - chasing that zero all over. 15 yds seemed more effective.

Posted by: MD_Mike at June 15, 2025 08:55 PM (9AGjP)

160 Ciceo, it goeth. Nice to have some perfect weather in a June that's living up to its gloomy reputation. On the water lately?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 08:55 PM (1m82a)

161 I do carry the round on occasion but not as a primary carry.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 15, 2025 08:48 PM (xcxpd)

I carry the Bodyguard as a backup I keep in my front pocket. Might seem paranoid to have your regular carry and a back up when you're just a regular civilian but I'm a better safe than sorry guy and it's second nature now.

It's also used solely when I'm doing sports activities or any activity where having your regular carry not practical.

Posted by: polynikes at June 15, 2025 08:57 PM (VofaG)

162 So, today, for Father's Day, I took my daughter to the range and had her shoot the 6.5-06. Complete newbie to this kind of rifle but, she found the weapon easy to shoot. At 200 yards, she put the first one in the bullseye, then tossed one high, knew it was on her, then put another round on top of the first round. I told her I wanted her to shoot so I could gather some data, thinking it would help if I had someone shoot the rifle who wasn't all that familiar with it. I was trying to remove any bias I might be bringing to the shoot.

After that and a couple of other rifles, we moved to the 1,000 yard range. Once I got my act together with the spotting scope, I had her on the 14"x17" steel within a couple of shots.

My daughter put far more rounds downrange than I did, by far, yet, I had a great time, working to get her settled in.

One of the best Father's Days I have in a long time.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 15, 2025 08:57 PM (tT6L1)

163 I have tried CAR. If you train for it and you're going to be in near-contact situations it can work. I've seen it used by some ex-SF types in training classes.

Modified Weaver works best for me, especially under stress or when using a .45.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 15, 2025 08:57 PM (xcxpd)

164 GWB, in a previous life, weirdly enough, I attended the roll-out of the first KC-135R in Wichita.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 08:57 PM (1m82a)

165 Also, these laser dry-fire kits REALLY work well with hammer fired guns. No need to rack the slide between shots. Striker guns need to have the slide racked each time.

The CDS-9 is a hammer fired SAO gun. It works well in that situation.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 08:58 PM (QfvaV)

166 I was armed.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 08:43 PM (QfvaV)

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Did you have to cap a busboy? Because that can completely spoil the conviviality of a nice meal.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 15, 2025 08:45 PM (JkO4W)

It can, however, speed up the service. And, if you leave a good tip, it provides ongoing motivation.

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 08:58 PM (KoK5d)

167 I carry the Bodyguard as a backup I keep in my front pocket. Might seem paranoid to have your regular carry and a back up when you're just a regular civilian but I'm a better safe than sorry guy and it's second nature now.

It's also used solely when I'm doing sports activities or any activity where having your regular carry not practical.
Posted by: polynikes at June 15, 2025 08:57 PM (VofaG)

Bodyguard 1.0 or 2.0? I'm curious about the 2.0.

I usually have a pistol in my off hand jacket pocket + my EDC. Just to have options in case I have a hand occupied if things get hairy unexpectedly.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 15, 2025 08:59 PM (xcxpd)

168 Remind me not to mug polynikes or MAE next time I go on a street-crime spree.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 09:01 PM (1m82a)

169 Weasel, something burning tonight?

I finished off a Diesel Whiskey Row Sherry Cask just before thread-time. Got a five pack, this was the 4th therefrom. Meh. OK but not great.

A zillion brands and lines to try, but somebody's gotta do it.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 09:03 PM (1m82a)

170 The Lady Cicero asked why I was taking my carry gun to the opera.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 15, 2025 08:48 PM (JkO4W)

Took mine to a jazz concert. Why? Because I carry EVERYWHERE, and it was legal to do so.

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 09:03 PM (KoK5d)

171 On the water lately?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 08:55 PM (1m82a)

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Yes. I just sold the Catalina 27 and will be making an offer on a beautiful pristine Hunter this week. I hope to be in a new rig by the Fourth of July.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 15, 2025 09:03 PM (JkO4W)

172 Sadowski, don't carry. Only on duty days at the range, in which case it's one of the XD9, 1911, S&W Model 66, or CZ-83 (.380).
Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 08:53 PM (1m82a)

rhomboid thanks for the answer, taking notes of all those.

Posted by: Thiker at June 15, 2025 09:04 PM (r2ymA)

173 I carry EVERYWHERE, and it was legal to do so.
Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 09:03 PM (KoK5d)

Preach!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 15, 2025 09:04 PM (xcxpd)

174 Congratulations on your retirement, Weasel! The days go by just as fast, you just don’t have to do anything you don’t want to.

Posted by: Advo at June 15, 2025 09:04 PM (jO4mz)

175 About a hammer fired gun - sra blaster is moving off of a Sig P365 for EDC use into the CDS9. As a Kimber it has a lot of 1911 heritage in it. It is SAO hammer fired, and it has a positive thumb safety but no grip safety.

We were talking about it - she's been carrying with one in the pipe in the 365. I suggested that she may not want to do that with this gun - cocked and locked is supposedly the safe way with a 1911 but now we have added a safety into the process. The other option is rack the slide. I think from a safery perspective, the ROI is more on the rack the slide side.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 09:04 PM (QfvaV)

176 Took mine to a jazz concert. Why? Because I carry EVERYWHERE, and it was legal to do so.
Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 09:03 PM (KoK5d)
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Same.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 15, 2025 09:05 PM (tT6L1)

177 Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 09:03 PM (1m82a)
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Just the usual tonite. I need to break out a Cuban and celebrate!

Posted by: Weasel at June 15, 2025 09:05 PM (TMF5Z)

178 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 15, 2025 08:59 PM (xcxpd)

The 1.0 which is a piece of crap but I'm used to it. I've heard good things about the 2.0 but just can't bring myself to spend another $400 for a gun I shoot infrequently.

I wish the Glock 42 was the same size . It's just slightly too big to fit in my front pocket.

Posted by: polynikes at June 15, 2025 09:06 PM (VofaG)

179 GWB, in a previous life, weirdly enough, I attended the roll-out of the first KC-135R in Wichita.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 08:57 PM (1m82a)

Sweet!

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 09:06 PM (KoK5d)

180 I think from a safery perspective, the ROI is more on the rack the slide side.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 09:04 PM (QfvaV)

I won't tell ya what to do. But I'll observe that if you need to draw and fire, time can be critical and you may not have both hands free. I strongly endorse carrying with a round in the chamber with a pistol that can do so safely. But you're a grown up, I figure I can trust your judgement.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 15, 2025 09:07 PM (xcxpd)

181 Posted by: Advo at June 15, 2025 09:04 PM (jO4mz)
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Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at June 15, 2025 09:07 PM (TMF5Z)

182 Took mine to a jazz concert. Why? Because I carry EVERYWHERE, and it was legal to do so.
Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 09:03 PM (KoK5d)
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Only place I don't carry is where they have metal detectors.

Posted by: polynikes at June 15, 2025 09:07 PM (VofaG)

183 GWB, in a previous life, weirdly enough, I attended the roll-out of the first KC-135R in Wichita.
Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 08:57 PM (1m82a)

Sweet!
Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 09:06 PM (KoK5d

My dad was working on refitting KC 135's for Boeing when he passed away.

Posted by: polynikes at June 15, 2025 09:09 PM (VofaG)

184 I wish the Glock 42 was the same size . It's just slightly too big to fit in my front pocket.
Posted by: polynikes at June 15, 2025 09:06 PM (VofaG)

The G42 is so tiny, if you have the right pocket holster, it has the footprint the size of my wallet. Though I suppose it depends on what kind of pants/pockets you have.

Not to add to the sprawl but the Kel-Tec knockoff, the Ruger LCP, is on sale this weekend for under $200 on Palmetto State Armory's webzone.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 15, 2025 09:09 PM (xcxpd)

185 Took mine to a jazz concert. Why? Because I carry EVERYWHERE, and it was legal to do so.
Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 09:03 PM (KoK5d)
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Same.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 15, 2025 09:05 PM

Yeah. Went to a musical with the RMBS Mom yesterday, 1911 cocked and locked. At intermission she noticed a sign that said no weapons were allowed. I said, oh, no....anyway....We laughed and went back in for Act II.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 15, 2025 09:09 PM (Wnv9h)

186 Speaking of dots etc - as we were trying to figure out sra blaster's shooting, she shot my P365XL with a red dot.

That she was okay with. I am wondering if there is also something about the glass on different dots that her eyes are not adapting to correctly.

Also I was shooting that XL and while I have gotten better with the years of shooting I am by no means a great shot. But I can shoot that XL. Under ten yards, I am better with that pistol that with anything else in the laager, including my P226 Legion.

And I don't shoot it that much. Some guns are just a better fit than others.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 09:09 PM (QfvaV)

187 Weasel, endorsed (the celebratory stick idea). And as for the usual, I'm working on a group review (bundled?) of bundle and bundle-priced cigars. Figure you can toss in something on Factory Smokes.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 09:10 PM (1m82a)

188 Sorry I'm late. Yuge congrats to Weasel on your retirement! So happy for you and not at all jealous!

Very sorry to say that I'm 95% sure I'm not going to make the MoMe next week.

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 15, 2025 09:10 PM (DnMuk)

189 I need to break out a Cuban and celebrate!
Posted by: Weasel at June 15, 2025 09:05 PM

*raises glass*

Cheers, amigo!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 15, 2025 09:11 PM (Wnv9h)

190 Cicero, nice. For some reason I always thought it was a power boat. My family connection has a Beneteau 38 in that marina. Purchased out of the Moorings fleet probably 25 years ago?

Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 09:12 PM (1m82a)

191 Yeah. Went to a musical with the RMBS Mom yesterday, 1911 cocked and locked. At intermission she noticed a sign that said no weapons were allowed. I said, oh, no....anyway....We laughed and went back in for Act II.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 15, 2025 09:09 PM (Wnv9h)
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Heh. A few years ago, I took my wife and my mother to a movie. For some reason, the theater had implemented a "search the purse" routine. My wife was bit miffed because she got her purse searched while I sauntered through CCW a full size 1911.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 15, 2025 09:12 PM (tT6L1)

192 Very sorry to say that I'm 95% sure I'm not going to make the MoMe next week.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 15, 2025 09:10 PM

*Darth Vader meme*

Nooooooo!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 15, 2025 09:12 PM (Wnv9h)

193 Just thought of this, I'm gonna drink some of the good stuff tonight in honor of Weasel's retirement.

This is a good system.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 09:13 PM (1m82a)

194 Very sorry to say that I'm 95% sure I'm not going to make the MoMe next week.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 15, 2025 09:10 PM (DnMuk)

We'll miss you, SiD!

Posted by: Ed L at June 15, 2025 09:13 PM (BCwQW)

195 Since this is a quasi-serious military blog at times, there are over a dozen tankers in the air across the US right now. Started in different places but all seem to be headed in a north east direction. Seems like a lot for routine re-positioning. Don't know nuthin' but wonder what they're dragging and where they're headed...

Posted by: TRex at June 15, 2025 09:13 PM (IQ6Gq)

196 Very sorry to say that I'm 95% sure I'm not going to make the MoMe next week.
Posted by: screaming in digital at June 15, 2025 09:10 PM (DnMuk)
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*side-eye*
*squint*

But, you're going to TX, right?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 15, 2025 09:13 PM (tT6L1)

197 I think from a safery perspective, the ROI is more on the rack the slide side.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 09:04 PM (QfvaV)

I'm going to respectfully disagree. To draw and rack the slide requires a whole different set of muscle memory and prevents a smooth draw and fire. It also entails getting your off-hand onto the gun while drawing - at least you won't shoot your off-hand while you're doing it.

Th thumb safety is (or should be - plenty of guns it is not, IMO) easy to throw with your firing hand in the midst of the draw. But you can still fire one-handed or bringing it up to a two-handed grip in the normal way.

I practice my draw (dry fire) so that I rotate the handgun to my opponent, then drop the safety. I can then fire as necessary. Because you're not probably going to get a shot at the bad guy from 7 yards - it will be "7 yards and closing."

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 09:14 PM (KoK5d)

198 Heh. A few years ago, I took my wife and my mother to a movie. For some reason, the theater had implemented a "search the purse" routine. My wife was bit miffed because she got her purse searched while I sauntered through CCW a full size 1911.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 15, 2025 09:12 PM

I'm pissed that the Opera House in Boston has metal detectors

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 15, 2025 09:14 PM (Wnv9h)

199 Missile strikes in Tel Aviv now

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at June 15, 2025 09:15 PM (RIvkX)

200 Very late good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special newly-retired howdy and well done to our host Weasel!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 15, 2025 09:15 PM (v23vE)

201 195 Since this is a quasi-serious military blog at times, there are over a dozen tankers in the air across the US right now. Started in different places but all seem to be headed in a north east direction. Seems like a lot for routine re-positioning. Don't know nuthin' but wonder what they're dragging and where they're headed...
Posted by: TRex at June 15, 2025 09:13 PM (IQ6Gq)

Lots going on East of here, wouldn't be shocked if they're fueling bombers or surveillance planes.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 15, 2025 09:15 PM (xcxpd)

202 TRex and even bigger tanker night happened a few months back. Like you and Sgt. Shulz I know nothing about it. The big tanking story of course is now unfolding over yonder. I'd bet $7 there's more to it than just air-air, but even my musings are classified so will leave it there.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 09:15 PM (1m82a)

203 Evenin’, All.

Does the Gun Thread include talk of “Big ‘Uns,” e.g., Tara Yazdi?

Posted by: Bulg at June 15, 2025 09:15 PM (77rzZ)

204 I'm pissed that the Opera House in Boston has metal detectors
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 15, 2025 09:14 PM (Wnv9h)
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Well, as we all know, metal detectors will prevent someone from shooting their way through whoever might be enforcing the metal detectors and everyone will remain safe.

Right?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 15, 2025 09:16 PM (tT6L1)

205 And let us not forget ammo and mags. The gun show was in town. I bought a couple thousand rounds of 9mm. I bought some 124 Aguila - I have a Ruger P95 that is better with 124. My Legion P226 does NOT like that Aguila at all. Lots of stovepiping. The CDS9 and 365Xl were perfectly fine with it. That was a surprising outcome.

I need to get the finicky P95 out to see if it likes it.

I had some after-market extendo Glock mags for the Extar EP9 and they have various success rates. I have some 2Amend ones that work great but lock back the bolt on the next to last round. Odd behavior. The ETS ones are horrible the springs bind up. The RWB from Korea are eh.

So picked up some factory Glock 33 rders. I expect them to be fine.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 09:16 PM (QfvaV)

206 203 Evenin’, All.

Does the Gun Thread include talk of “Big ‘Uns,” e.g., Tara Yazdi?
Posted by: Bulg at June 15, 2025 09:15 PM (77rzZ)

Big Naturals are always on topic.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 15, 2025 09:16 PM (xcxpd)

207 I told the story before of me going to the Houston Police Station downtown to pick up a police report.

I walked in and told the desk officer I was carrying . I thought I would have to surrender it at that time but he just asked to see my CHL and directed me to the officer at the metal detector desk. I gave him my keys and about to give him my weapon when he said No, you can keep it . And then he said but you can't take the pen knife I had on my key chain.

WTF? I started laughing but just took the pen knife off and proceeded to go into the area to pick up my police report fully strapped.

Posted by: polynikes at June 15, 2025 09:16 PM (VofaG)

208 Missile strikes in Haifa now

Counted 6 in Tel Aviv

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at June 15, 2025 09:17 PM (RIvkX)

209 OK, all y'all, 9:17 thank you time.

Thank you!

Appreciate everyone being here and all the good wishes on my retirement. Hope to see you Saturday at the NoVAMoMe or right here on Sunday evening!

Posted by: Weasel at June 15, 2025 09:17 PM (vt7xw)

210 Took mine to a jazz concert. Why? Because I carry EVERYWHERE, and it was legal to do so.
Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 09:03 PM (KoK5d)
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Only place I don't carry is where they have metal detectors.
Posted by: polynikes at June 15, 2025 09:07 PM (VofaG)

This place had metal detectors. But I had specifically looked up the event and venue, and nothing about "no firearms."

So, I approached the one woman getting people to empty pockets and such and discreetly asked her. She got the police officer who was there to check my CHL, and told me when I came through (we were waiting on someone) that she would indicate I was ok to the guy with the wand, and he would pass me. It worked as smooth as silk.

I was impressed.

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 09:17 PM (KoK5d)

211 Thanks Weasel. We appreciate you.
Enjoy your life of eternal Saturdays!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 15, 2025 09:17 PM (xcxpd)

212 I have passed on to sra blaster that you guys are saying no go with the thumb safety and one in the pipe.

She says, see, I told you.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 09:18 PM (QfvaV)

213 My dad was working on refitting KC 135's for Boeing when he passed away.
Posted by: polynikes at June 15, 2025 09:09 PM (VofaG)

My condolences and my respect for your dad.

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 09:18 PM (KoK5d)

214
That she was okay with. I am wondering if there is also something about the glass on different dots that her eyes are not adapting to correctly.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 09:09 PM (QfvaV)

Sounds like Jenny is experiencing the parallax effect in that particular optic. Does the user manual say anything about parallax? One of the reasons why I like Aimpoint is that their 1X red dot optics don't have parallax in their lenses.

Posted by: Ed L at June 15, 2025 09:18 PM (BCwQW)

215 I walked in and told the desk officer I was carrying . I thought I would have to surrender it at that time but he just asked to see my CHL and directed me to the officer at the metal detector desk. I gave him my keys and about to give him my weapon when he said No, you can keep it . And then he said but you can't take the pen knife I had on my key chain.

WTF? I started laughing but just took the pen knife off and proceeded to go into the area to pick up my police report fully strapped.
Posted by: polynikes at June 15, 2025 09:16 PM (VofaG)

Should have handed over the penknife with a sarcastic "You'll poke your eye out, kid" or something. I'll bet the officers aren't any happier about silly rules than you were.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 15, 2025 09:19 PM (v23vE)

216 Thanks for hosting Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at June 15, 2025 09:19 PM (BCwQW)

217 Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 09:12 PM (1m82a)

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Beneteau claims to be the most prolific boat manufacturer in the world. They make both power and sailboats.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at June 15, 2025 09:19 PM (JkO4W)

218 Thanks for another great Gub Thread, Weasel!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 15, 2025 09:19 PM (Wnv9h)

219 Thanks again, weasel, for everything!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 15, 2025 09:19 PM (tT6L1)

220 Posted by: polynikes at June 15, 2025 09:16 PM (VofaG)

Not allowed to bring a knife to a gun site?

Posted by: Malone at June 15, 2025 09:20 PM (i0F8b)

221 Another mass attack, after a much smaller one that was totally intercepted earlier. Enemy gets a vote, but to flesh out the metaphor, Iran is FL in this case, while Israel is Wayne County MI - where they'll count just as long as many as they need.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 15, 2025 09:21 PM (1m82a)

222 The WWII Museum in New Orleans has a sign up about weapons. BUT - I had heard that you are okay if you go the guard desk and tell them you are carrying that they willlet you go in.

So sra blaster and I go to the desk and tell them that we are carrying, and the guards are talking to me okay want to see your permit and sra blaster pulls hers out too and they are like "oh you are carrying too! Well, all right then!"

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 09:21 PM (QfvaV)

223 Th thumb safety is (or should be - plenty of guns it is not, IMO) easy to throw with your firing hand in the midst of the draw. But you can still fire one-handed or bringing it up to a two-handed grip in the normal way.

I practice my draw (dry fire) so that I rotate the handgun to my opponent, then drop the safety. I can then fire as necessary. Because you're not probably going to get a shot at the bad guy from 7 yards - it will be "7 yards and closing."
Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 09:14 PM (KoK5d)

I'm also Team Thumb Safety, mostly being a weenie (no pun intended, but you'll think it was when you read this next bit) because I carry my S&W M&P Shield 2.0 AIWB between 11 and 12 o'clock. I practice flipping the safety off before extending out the weapon. It hurts my draw to first shot time a little bit, but I'd rather have that little extra margin of safety.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 15, 2025 09:22 PM (v23vE)

224 BOING!

In the shelter. Intercept launchings were super loud.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at June 15, 2025 09:22 PM (WUdrq)

225 Since this is a quasi-serious military blog at times, there are over a dozen tankers in the air across the US right now. Started in different places but all seem to be headed in a north east direction. Seems like a lot for routine re-positioning. Don't know nuthin' but wonder what they're dragging and where they're headed...
Posted by: TRex at June 15, 2025 09:13 PM (IQ6Gq)

Hmmmm. Probably headed to NY and Maine. You can run a good portion of a bridge to Europe from there. (Did it several times, none so nice a weather as this.) Then you have the tankers in Mildenhall pick up the other end and refuel through the Med. If, of course, you happen to be going anywhere in Africa or the Middle East.

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 09:22 PM (KoK5d)

226 Regarding KC 135's moving around, I believe President Trump issued a stern warning to Iran they best not start anything within the US or else.

This could merely be prudent moving of assets and also a way to let Iran know the US is playing around.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 15, 2025 09:24 PM (tT6L1)

227
This could merely be prudent moving of assets and also a way to let Iran know the US is playing around.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 15, 2025 09:24 PM (tT6L1)
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Isn't, I meant "isn't playing around." Do'h!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 15, 2025 09:25 PM (tT6L1)

228 She says, see, I told you.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 09:18 PM (QfvaV)

Smart woman.

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 09:26 PM (KoK5d)

229 But, you're going to TX, right?
Posted by: blake
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Hell yeah!

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 15, 2025 09:27 PM (DnMuk)

230 I gave him my keys and about to give him my weapon when he said No, you can keep it . And then he said but you can't take the pen knife I had on my key chain.

WTF? I started laughing but just took the pen knife off and proceeded to go into the area to pick up my police report fully strapped.
Posted by: polynikes at June 15, 2025 09:16 PM (VofaG)

Lol. They probably thought they were adhering to "policies." And had no idea about actual threats. Typical of government paid placeholders.

Posted by: Thiker at June 15, 2025 09:27 PM (r2ymA)

231
I need to break out a Cuban and celebrate!
Posted by: Weasel

I know a little Cuban.

https://youtu.be/ZUIRuS1OI50

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 15, 2025 09:28 PM (63Dwl)

232 Hell yeah!

Posted by: screaming in digital at June 15, 2025 09:27 PM (DnMuk)
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Groovy.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 15, 2025 09:29 PM (tT6L1)

233 Wow, it's after 9:30 here.

Thanks for the Gun Thread, Weasel!
Don't think retirement means you can start slacking, though!

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 09:30 PM (KoK5d)

234 Well, time to wander

Later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 15, 2025 09:30 PM (tT6L1)

235 At the gun show today it is Father's Day and mama wants to get me something commensurate with the CDS-9. She had originally suggested getting me one, too, as that is our brand - but as I said above the 365XL is serving very well in EDC capacity and I can shoot that thing.

We went with getting a gun for me in mind but I didn't see any guns I wanted. I think I am taking ill. But I am just not sure what I would want for ME. She was willing to get a Desert Eagle (way more than the CDS-9) but I said I would only want one for her - I did not see any .50AE in the whole gun show, I can imagine what it costs to shoot one of those.

In our 2 of everything plan we only have 1 12 ga and she does not like the Mossberg 590 it is pretty brutal to shoot. Looked at Benelli M4 clones and she likes shooting those, and again, if I got one of those, it would just be for her.

We looked at some SP5 clones but most of the ones I saw had fakey-fake giggle switches - they had the no pew, pew, pewpewpew, pewpewpewpewpewpew graphics on the selector but only flipped between safe and semi.

I ALMOST suggested a Sig P220 because I do like Sig and I don't have anything in .45 from them - but no.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 09:31 PM (QfvaV)

236 Night, Weasel. Just think - you can sleep in tomorrow!
Unless the gracious and lovely WW has a list for you.

Posted by: RI Red at June 15, 2025 09:32 PM (fRFTM)

237 We went to the range Saturday with a small contingent of the DMV MGC - swa and Iris were there. That was good shooting.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 09:33 PM (QfvaV)

238 I will be in attendance at the MoMe hope to see a lot of y'all there. sra blaster will be on a jet airplane headed to FLorida so she will miss the event.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 09:34 PM (QfvaV)

239 Biden's Dog - Keep your head down brother

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 15, 2025 09:35 PM (XeU6L)

240 And one thing about new guns. Holsters. It takes a while to tool up. I think the CDS9 hit the streets in December, Not a lot out there. We had a kydex one custom made at the show.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 09:36 PM (QfvaV)

241 Blaster - not finding a new gun? Hope you feel better soon! :-)

Posted by: Iris at June 15, 2025 09:38 PM (bOJ2I)

242 Lucky 13 more comments to top the Food Thread. Can we do it?

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 15, 2025 09:38 PM (v23vE)

243 At 5 rounds, the M14/M1A is a pleasant shooter. When you get to 100 rounds per session, the recoil, even with the semi-auto softening, gets to you. My shoulder wasn't the worst, it was the inside of my mouth, right side. The cheek weld slid my teeth across the inside of my mouth. Times 80 or thereabouts, it would start bleeding, but at around 50 rounds, it would get irritated enough that it was noticeable.
Oh, yeah... Ft Knox basic, '64.
I liked the gun well enough, I bought a Mini-14. Shoot it all day, even before I put a scope on it, with no recoil related issues.

Posted by: buddhaha at June 15, 2025 09:38 PM (fQAHz)

244 Posted by: TRex at June 15, 2025 09:13

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 15, 2025 09:24 PM (tT6L1)

https://tinyurl.com/47kdfxzj

Posted by: Nato at June 15, 2025 09:38 PM (pBz/W)

245 Because we don't want Weasel's first day of retirement to be marred by an 0700 ZOOM call with a petulant Ewok, do we?

Do we?

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 15, 2025 09:39 PM (v23vE)

246 Happy retirement Weasel.

Posted by: whig's phone at June 15, 2025 09:39 PM (ctrM5)

247 Blaster, you off on Thursday?

Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at June 15, 2025 09:40 PM (IQ6Gq)

248 247 Blaster, you off on Thursday?
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at June 15, 2025 09:40 PM (IQ6Gq)

yup

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 09:43 PM (QfvaV)

249 How many fighters cab one tanker keep supplied with fuel?

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 15, 2025 09:46 PM (i51dK)

250 241 Blaster - not finding a new gun? Hope you feel better soon! :-)
Posted by: Iris at June 15, 2025 09:38 PM (bOJ2I)

Thanks. I kind of have a hankering for a lever gun since I don't have one of those and they have some cool tactical ones now but then I get into the whole caliber sprawl and if I get a rifle in 357 or 44 I have to get a revolver in that to match....

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 09:46 PM (QfvaV)

251 I don't NEED it, but I almost bought a Mossberg Maverick 88 from PSA. Less than $200 for a super reliable, simple shotty....

I need to keep my credit cards away from me during holiday sales.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 15, 2025 09:48 PM (xcxpd)

252 Doing an install of Linux Mint 20 on the desktop box. Could not find the new SSD I thought I had; might have taken it to AZ? So installing it alongside Mint 18 in a 160 gB hard drive. That install of 18 has a bunch of my files in it, so I can copy over entire directories, and once done, get rid of the 18 partition. At least in theory...

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 15, 2025 09:49 PM (QQyLh)

253 .45 LC?

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 15, 2025 09:49 PM (CA3k/)

254 How many fighters cab one tanker keep supplied with fuel?
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 15, 2025 09:46 PM (i51dK)

Dunno. All I know is that I keep hearing the weird refueling sequence music soundtrack from the MST 3k movie "The Starfighters," starring B1 Bob Dornan.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Macho Business Donkey Wrestler at June 15, 2025 09:49 PM (0aYVJ)

255 249 How many fighters cab one tanker keep supplied with fuel?
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 15, 2025 09:46 PM (i51dK)

Grok says 10-11, assuming all fighters need to be almost fully refueled.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at June 15, 2025 09:50 PM (v23vE)

256 250 241 Blaster - not finding a new gun? Hope you feel better soon! :-)
Posted by: Iris at June 15, 2025 09:38 PM (bOJ2I)

Thanks. I kind of have a hankering for a lever gun since I don't have one of those and they have some cool tactical ones now but then I get into the whole caliber sprawl and if I get a rifle in 357 or 44 I have to get a revolver in that to match....
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 09:46 PM (QfvaV)

Sounds like an excuse to buy more guns. Not seeing the problem here.

Posted by: Arch Stanton at June 15, 2025 09:50 PM (2VTt6)

257 253 .45 LC?
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 15, 2025 09:49 PM (CA3k/)

Fear the caliber sprawl...
...but yeah. Solid round.

If I was to buy a lever action from scratch, I may suggest the mighty 30-30. Unless you really want a pistol to match (I did, bought a Rossi 92 that matches my Ruger Vaquero in .44).

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at June 15, 2025 09:51 PM (xcxpd)

258 I thought I had received an email offering an Anderson AR-15 for Father's Day for $329. Went looking for it later, but couldn't find it. Checked the store I thought it came from, but their lowest price option was $380.

My point being, if you live in a Free state, nowadays there's no reason to not get one.

If you live in a Slave state, well, that's on you.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 15, 2025 09:52 PM (T+iUJ)

259 And now I seriously want a M3A1. /sigh/

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 09:52 PM (KoK5d)

260 Some very cool footage (aside from the death and mayhem) over at Insty of the sky over tel Aviv.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 15, 2025 09:52 PM (CA3k/)

261 The supertankers have their transponders on, about 15 of them and they're making a beeline for Nova Scotia. Whatever is with them don't.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 15, 2025 09:54 PM (i51dK)

262 21 tankers in motion now.

Posted by: TRex at June 15, 2025 09:54 PM (IQ6Gq)

263
All I know is that I keep hearing the weird refueling sequence music soundtrack from the MST 3k movie "The Starfighters," starring B1 Bob Dornan.
Posted by: Pug Mahon

Poopie Suit!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at June 15, 2025 09:55 PM (63Dwl)

264 Thanks. I kind of have a hankering for a lever gun since I don't have one of those and they have some cool tactical ones now but then I get into the whole caliber sprawl and if I get a rifle in 357 or 44 I have to get a revolver in that to match....
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at June 15, 2025 09:46 PM (QfvaV)

^^Ah, now you sound more like yourself. It's just a matter of picking the right caliber for the lever gun AND revolver....

Posted by: Iris at June 15, 2025 09:55 PM (bOJ2I)

265 Did we ever find out where that Iranian 747 that took off with the transponder turned off got to?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 15, 2025 09:55 PM (QQyLh)

266 259 And now I seriously want a M3A1. /sigh/
Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 09:52 PM (KoK5d)

I've wanted a grease gun badly ever since I saw the video where Jerry Miculek shoots it. I just love how it chugs along in full auto.

Posted by: Arch Stanton at June 15, 2025 09:56 PM (2VTt6)

267 How many fighters cab one tanker keep supplied with fuel?
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 15, 2025 09:46 PM (i51dK)

On a cross-ocean trip, we usually hauled 6-8. If we were doing a bridge, we could likely handle 20 or so. (With another tanker at the other end.)

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 09:57 PM (KoK5d)

268 ONt is nood.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at June 15, 2025 10:02 PM (CA3k/)

269 I wonder if those 2 out of Cali are headed ti Whiteman.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 15, 2025 10:02 PM (i51dK)

270 How many fighters cab one tanker keep supplied with fuel?
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 15, 2025 09:46 PM (i51dK)

On a cross-ocean trip, we usually hauled 6-8. If we were doing a bridge, we could likely handle 20 or so. (With another tanker at the other end.)
Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 09:57 PM (KoK5d)

The KC-46 can drag more. But you have to factor in what the fighters are carrying. If they're going to, say, Lakenheath, to land, then they will just have travel pods.

If they're carrying ordinance, then fewer fighters per tanker, maybe. BTW, you do NOT want to be that fighter pilot - flying to Lakenheath is bad enough; flying to the Mid-East? I hope you have a replacement a** waiting for you on the other end, because yours will be worn out.

Now, if they're hauling something like the B-2...
With a bridge (the tankers turn around somewhere out over the Atlantic), you could probably do 2-3 per tanker on each end. You could probably only drag 1 each (with safety margins, and all).

Posted by: GWB at June 15, 2025 10:04 PM (KoK5d)

271 You're right it is 21.

Posted by: Boss Moss at June 15, 2025 10:09 PM (i51dK)

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