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Daily Tech News 14 June 2025

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  • How Palm died for a second time. (Substack)

    Written by Phil McKinney, who was the CTO of Hewlett Packard at the time HP bought and then promptly murdered Palm.

    The CEO at the time of the acquisition was fired by the board before HP's new PalmOS products could launch, and the new CEO wanted nothing to do with hardware, and killed the entire lineup seven weeks after launch.

    While the CTO was out recovering from emergency surgery.

    And the new CEO was in turn fired by the board just months later, after spending $10 billion on British software company Autonomy and then being forced to write down its value by 80%.
    My first day back at HP will be burned into my memory forever. I was simply trying to grab lunch in the cafeteria at HP Labs when I found myself surrounded by what felt like the entire technical staff. They weren't there to welcome me back - they were there to hold me accountable.

    The scene was intense and unambiguous. Engineers and researchers who had watched the WebOS disaster unfold were pointing fingers and raising voices. Their message was crystal clear and brutal: "You can never take leave again - EVER!"

    Their exact words still echo in my mind: "The CEO and board need adult supervision."

    Indeed they did. Those were dark days at Hewlett Packard.


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Musical Interlude




Disclaimer: Had to throw out two lizards today. Don't know how they keep getting in.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at 04:30 AM




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>>(The Register)[quote>Gartner warned last year that end user organizations adopting AI could discover "500 to 1,000 percent errors of AI cost estimates are possible," because of vendor price hikes, not paying attention to the cost, or simply inappropriate use of AI.[/quote>Yeah, beancounters love it when bills are unexpectedly ten times higher than you told them.



ChatGPT, please unscramble this.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 14, 2025 04:39 AM (wbZPZ)

2
But seriously, Pixy Misa, I love your columns. I've been saving myself out of all kinds of misery by learning that -noai switch in Google search.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 14, 2025 04:40 AM (wbZPZ)

3 1 ChatGPT, please unscramble this.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia


Oops. Fixed.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at June 14, 2025 04:41 AM (BLOW1)

4 Mornin'

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at June 14, 2025 04:45 AM (MmTZZ)

5 G'Day everyone
Not up yet, just peeking in

Posted by: Skip at June 14, 2025 04:45 AM (+qU29)

6 I think AI is in the “check this out” phase for most people and companies. If you are of a certain age you recall people making a cup of hot water in a microwave just to show what a miracle has been invented. I suspect for many it will never move beyond the figurative popcorn making of using it as a glorified search engine.

But its impact will continue to grow as more serious attempts to implement the manipulation of data become prevalent. Any admin task that is repetitive will likely become a machine task.

Posted by: Pete Bog at June 14, 2025 04:55 AM (cOyB6)

7 Hello, Horde! 😊💕

Supposed to be receiving the extra invitation things for our anniversary party tomorrow. Apparently 140 invitations weren't enough - never realized that we knew so many people 😲😲😲

Between work, family, church, and friends, it really adds up - should be a lot of fun, though!

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Plucky Comic Relief, AoS Ladies Brigade - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at June 14, 2025 04:55 AM (SRRAx)

8 And then the crazy hard things start to happen.

Posted by: Pete Bog at June 14, 2025 04:56 AM (cOyB6)

9 Good morning Pixy, Mortician, Skip and TIFW.

Posted by: Pete Bog at June 14, 2025 04:57 AM (cOyB6)

10 G'morning, all!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 14, 2025 04:59 AM (a1415)

11 Morticia, Sorry. My first thing AI could fix is making auto correct context sensitive.

For example, it looks at the Good Morning, “knows” I’m saying hello to the nice of preceding commenters and doesn’t change Morticia to Mortician.

Posted by: Pete Bog at June 14, 2025 05:00 AM (cOyB6)

12 Good morning, good people, from the Adirondacks, where the Fordlet saga plays slowly out. Glad I'm not in a hurry here. Finding the cars isn't difficult, but finding one that has been equipped and maintenanced as per factory spec is harder than I expected.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at June 14, 2025 05:00 AM (hKoQL)

13 Morning, Tech Peeps

Posted by: fluffy at June 14, 2025 05:03 AM (AN2gy)

14 My first thing AI could fix is making auto correct context sensitive.

The answer is 42.

Posted by: AI at June 14, 2025 05:04 AM (KHLXg)

15 Nics not nice. Another example.

A lot of improvement will occur as people learn how to define the training and application data for the model. Using a cesspool like Reddit will always likely be difficult as so many opinions are expressed as facts that back checking will become too big a hassle.

Posted by: Pete Bog at June 14, 2025 05:06 AM (cOyB6)

16 Had to throw out two lizards today. Don't know how they keep getting in.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at 04:30 AM


***
Cats handle such things with a beautiful simplicity. They hunt, "play," kill, and enjoy.

Evening and morning to all on this Saturday: Flag Day in the U.S. and Pres. Trump's birthday!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 14, 2025 05:09 AM (omVj0)

17 Oh, there's a "no AI" switch you can add to search requests? Does it work for other search engines like Brave's and Startpage?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 14, 2025 05:12 AM (omVj0)

18 So that was Katy Perry in the music video.

Posted by: fluffy at June 14, 2025 05:13 AM (AN2gy)

19
No Nuclear Reactors - the left since forever; it will kill the Earf.

Yes Nuclear Reactors - we need to power our mechanistic AI god.

Posted by: 13times at June 14, 2025 05:16 AM (bSnkm)

20 Or I could,

1. Read all of my posts a final time before hitting Post to correct the autocorrect or
2. Ignore the stupid bastard and the trouble it causes.

Posted by: Pete Bog at June 14, 2025 05:17 AM (cOyB6)

21 I really need to go work out at least a little this morning. So I dare not look on the Web to see what the current temp and heat index are. No, no, not gonna do it.

I'll simply feed the furry thugs, drink my second cup of coffee, change and stretch, and go. When I get back I can look up the temp of what I just struggled through -- and be properly horrified.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 14, 2025 05:17 AM (omVj0)

22 What got into Bing?! They actually have a picture of a flag and a little note, "Wave it proudly."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 14, 2025 05:18 AM (MaBDr)

23 Jeez, I went full Publius. The difference between us is that he appears to actually know about which he is writing.

Posted by: Pete Bog at June 14, 2025 05:20 AM (cOyB6)

24
g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at June 14, 2025 05:20 AM (tljrc)

25 Yes Nuclear Reactors - we need to power our mechanistic AI god.
Posted by: 13times



Why does god need a power source?

(a future forbidden question)

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at June 14, 2025 05:21 AM (MmTZZ)

26 Christian devotional on Romans 8:14-17 . A man writes on a father. a son and our Heavenly Father. An "Our Daily Bread": devotional :

https://tinyurl.com/ydtfeth3

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 14, 2025 05:26 AM (MaBDr)

27 Weather today in the NorCal valley will be a very mild 86/57. We had a super mild winter and I hope summer will be mild too.

Posted by: 13times at June 14, 2025 05:26 AM (bSnkm)

28 Birdbath status?

Posted by: Just Wondering at June 14, 2025 05:31 AM (lIgBp)

29 I read the Studio Notes article about HP and Palm right up to this point:

"The Deeper Truth: Why I Still Believe in HP"

{ financial disclaimer clipped but it being present was an obvious 'tell' }

"Here's what might surprise you: I haven't sold a single HP share since leaving the company. Despite watching the WebOS disaster unfold, despite being blamed for not preventing it, despite everything that went wrong during that period, I still believe in HP as an organization."

And then I realized why he turned down the bonus and maintained his ability to talk about what happened. It let him try to tell a story in the future (now apparently) that would build public confidence in HP so the stock price would go back up, and he could finally sell his shares and get out with his real retirement money.

The entire story is a company valuation manipulation.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 14, 2025 05:32 AM (O7YUW)

30 18 So that was Katy Perry in the music video.
Posted by: fluffy


Bit earlier: Kathy McCarty. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_McCarty

Posted by: Pixy Misa at June 14, 2025 05:33 AM (BLOW1)

31 Yesterday I flipped through my old address book. I've got names and phone numbers in there I don't even recognize any more. One that was useful: the phone number to get the correct time from WWV. When I lived in Denver it was a local call, and I used it all the time. So I rang it and set one of my watches to the time signal.

As far as I know, the Time.gov site that I've been using for years now is synchronized with WWV.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 14, 2025 05:34 AM (omVj0)

32 From the " NY Post":


The Second Continental. Congress voted to create the Continental Army on June 14, 1775 after battlles against the British in Concord and Lexington , snd
Naming George Washington the commander in chief the next day.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 14, 2025 05:39 AM (MaBDr)

33 @16

Good morning, Wolfus--as you probably know, it's also the 250th birthday of my beloved Army, a military without peer on this earth, fitting for the most exceptional country that exists.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at June 14, 2025 05:42 AM (hKoQL)

34 as you probably know, it's also the 250th birthday of my beloved Army, a military without peer on this earth, fitting for the most exceptional country that exists.

"This page intentionally blank."

Posted by: google.com at June 14, 2025 05:51 AM (6pVrF)

35 I’ve mainly used Brave search for awhile and it doesn’t always default to an AI answer when doing a search.

It’s has a special button to click if you want an answer from the AI.

It will also usually give an AI answer if you add a question mark at the end of a complicated query.

I usually double-check the answers with the source pages it quotes and summarizes from because it will get things wrong if it finds conflicts in the sources it uses, but it’s good at informing you of different answers; “some sources say this, while others disagree and say this” kind of thing.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 14, 2025 05:53 AM (6ydKt)

36 Rabbi's daughter writes on how we say what we say . Scripture is Proverbs 25:11:

https://tinyurl.com/5bv2ch5s

Pray for Israel's victory and protection!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 14, 2025 05:53 AM (MaBDr)

37 No Nuclear Reactors - the left since forever; it will kill the Earf.

Yes Nuclear Reactors - we need to power our mechanistic AI god.
Posted by: 13times at June 14, 2025 05:16 AM


Also the left: The Iranians, sitting on an ocean of oil, absolutely must have nuclear reactors for totes peaceful civilian power generation.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 14, 2025 05:57 AM (Wnv9h)

38 Heads up.
Tomorrow is Socks & BBQ Tools day.
But there's plenty of shopping time left.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at June 14, 2025 06:03 AM (lIgBp)

39 I posted this yesterday Girl who is graduating from hs is a star softball player., has a great academic average and will be in the ROTC in college. She says she was inspired by her grandfather who served in Vietnam:

https://tinyurl.com/mvvyk54j

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 14, 2025 06:03 AM (MaBDr)

40 The most complicated part of using AI so far, for me anyhow, is getting the prompt itself correct.

It’s fine for easy stuff: “I want a picture of a cat with sunglasses on.”

You’ll probably get something close to what you’re asking.

It’ll give you problems when you add more variables: “I want a picture of a cat wearing sunglasses driving a car down Sunset Boulevard from the 1960s with a beautiful sunset in the background and a hot chick in a bikini sitting next to it.”

Is likely to give you something strange as hell.

I’m betting the next big college courses/majors, and internet/YouTube tutorials will be “AI Prompting”.

It will turn into an art form to be able to efficiently and effectively prompt AI to give you exactly what you want on a regular basis.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 14, 2025 06:07 AM (6ydKt)

41 The most complicated part of using AI so far, for me anyhow, is getting the prompt itself correct.

It’s fine for easy stuff: “I want a picture of a cat with sunglasses on.”

You’ll probably get something close to what you’re asking.


Does AI stand for Automated Indian? Sure sounds the same as outsourcing to Bangalore.

Posted by: t-bird at June 14, 2025 06:12 AM (TJMjl)

42 Old and Busted: Using the Internet, the sum of all human knowledge, to look at cat pictures.

New Hotness: Using the Internet, the sum of all human knowledge, to make cat pictures

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at June 14, 2025 06:16 AM (PiwSw)

43 I think this qualifies as cognitive dissonance:

I was watching a NewsNation clip on UToob about ChiComs buying up land in Nashua, NH while paying way more than market value. There was concern about a water company siphoning millions of gallons from the public water supply.

There was a an interview with LilyTang Williams, who recently ran for congress in NH. She is solidly pro-freedom, minces no words.

At the end the was a promo blurb from... Chris Cuomo?

They interview a woman to far right for the NH GOP on a news outfit that has this CNN washout as headliner.

Posted by: fluffy at June 14, 2025 06:17 AM (AN2gy)

44 Does AI stand for Automated Indian? Sure sounds the same as outsourcing to Bangalore.
Posted by: t-bird at June 14, 2025 06:12 AM (TJMjl)

Builder.ai just got busted for doing exactly that.
Was supposed to be an AI platform that could write your software for you.

Turned out to be 700 Indians doing all the work.

Even worse, SoftBank and Microsoft had invested billions in the company.

It filed for bankruptcy a few weeks ago.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 14, 2025 06:19 AM (6ydKt)

45 Who names their kid LilyTang?

Posted by: I gotta ask at June 14, 2025 06:20 AM (lIgBp)

46 I will be celebrating National Sock Day today by buying some more socks as they mostly seem to have disappeared into the black hole of wherever socks- or at least one of them- disappear to.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 14, 2025 06:21 AM (EBPnT)

47 G'mornin' everyone!

50 degrees, overcast & fog = perfect hiking weather!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 14, 2025 06:21 AM (/Ghsb)

48 But I thought everybody loves cat videos?

Are you saying the world has enough cat videos already?

Because I’m not convinced that’s the case after looking around the internet for 25 years.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 14, 2025 06:22 AM (6ydKt)

49 Posted by: fluffy at June 14, 2025 06:17 AM (AN2gy)

That is odd. And they have a dog's vomit choice for Mayor in NYC Curtis Sliwa would probably be ok but he's a R, and won't be elected the Democrats are far left weirdos including a guy who's a "Democrat Socialist" and a Muslim (?) and awful Cuomo. Oh yes, the current Mayor is running as an I.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 14, 2025 06:26 AM (2GCMq)

50
Sounds like AI is the TQM of the 2020's.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 14, 2025 06:27 AM (QnmlO)

51 Looks like Israel did OK yesterday.

The town of Ramat Gan outside of Tel Aviv didn’t do so well, a lot of damage and destruction there.

They’re saying Iran launched over 200 missiles so I’d say Israel did pretty well protecting itself, all things considered.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 14, 2025 06:32 AM (6ydKt)

52 >>> Who names their kid LilyTang?

A couple in China did, apparently. Well, they are likely responsible for the Tang portion. She probably adopted Lily as her English name.

Posted by: fluffy at June 14, 2025 06:32 AM (AN2gy)

53 Powerline's Week in Pictures is up!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 14, 2025 06:36 AM (/Ghsb)

54
Who's going to the No Kings protests today???

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 14, 2025 06:38 AM (QnmlO)

55 Hahahahaha I remember working on a project to bring in some autonomy products. To say disaster is just touching the service. A common refrain from their onsite reps was “Sales told you WHAT?”

Project ended a year late, of the 107 test cases attached to my side only 3 passed, and we opted to do what we should have done in the first place: build a solution in house.

The kicker was that Christmas, talking to an uncle about a terrible product his company had tried to bring in that year that had turned into a nightmare. Yep, it was Autonomy.

HP bought them out soon after. Guess they wanted to buy crap outright and save the step of turning something decent into crap.

Posted by: AFeralDuck at June 14, 2025 06:39 AM (ZajzL)

56 53 Powerline's Week in Pictures is up!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 14, 2025 06:36 AM (/Ghsb)


https://is.gd/oJCR07

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, Intrepid AoSHQ Link Sherpa at June 14, 2025 06:39 AM (PiwSw)

57 Good morning, Wolfus--as you probably know, it's also the 250th birthday of my beloved Army, a military without peer on this earth, fitting for the most exceptional country that exists.
Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at June 14, 2025


***
+ 1000

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 14, 2025 06:39 AM (omVj0)

58 I'm back from my workout. Okay, let's see what I just struggled through.

*Checks local CBS outlet's webpage*

"80 F., 91% humidity, feels like 88."

Me: *Gack glurp thud*

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 14, 2025 06:44 AM (omVj0)

59 Disclaimer: Had to throw out two lizards today. Don't know how they keep getting in.

You mean real lizards, right? But don't they eat the spiders?!

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at June 14, 2025 06:45 AM (NFX2v)

60 Disclaimer: Had to throw out two lizards today. Don't know how they keep getting in.

You mean real lizards, right? But don't they eat the spiders?!
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at June 14, 2025 06:45 AM (NFX2v)
---
But then you are just inviting the snakes in to eat the lizards.

Pretty soon you're up to your eyeballs in saltwater crocs eating everything in sight.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at June 14, 2025 06:46 AM (GlyvH)

61 If only there were more Reddits we could use to train Artificial Intelligence!

Posted by: Eb at June 14, 2025 06:48 AM (zhWvq)

62 Good morning morons

Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 14, 2025 06:49 AM (RIvkX)

63 A MisHum EMT has been posted above^^^^^^^^^

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at June 14, 2025 06:49 AM (sAmhv)

64 Noodus early morning thread

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 14, 2025 06:52 AM (omVj0)

65 Oh, no! w00t

Posted by: m at June 14, 2025 06:53 AM (CQE5S)

66
There's a small get together planned for this evening, maybe 15 people in all for a celebration of the Army's birthday. If it follows function, it'll be more pure social interaction than anything else complete with some fine eating. We've done this for many years, it is so neat to see the progression of people, all vets, through their lives.

We consider anyone who wore the uniform regardless of branch or MOS as a veteran, all took the same oath.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at June 14, 2025 06:53 AM (hKoQL)

67 "...is just touching the service."

Love that talk to text.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at June 14, 2025 06:53 AM (lIgBp)

68 I'm back from my workout. Okay, let's see what I just struggled through.

*Checks local CBS outlet's webpage*

"80 F., 91% humidity, feels like 88."

Me: *Gack glurp thud*
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at June 14, 2025 06:44 AM (omVj0)

It’s 94% humidity here this morning.
Luckily it’s only 76 degrees so it feels like 79.

It’s rained nearly every day for about two weeks, so it’s like a sauna every morning when you walk outside.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 14, 2025 06:54 AM (6ydKt)

69 67 "...is just touching the service."

Love that talk to text.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at June 14, 2025 06:53 AM (lIgBp)

heh

Posted by: m at June 14, 2025 06:56 AM (CQE5S)

70 G&R:

172 103 Alright, it's time to go to work. Apparently I have fictitious children to drive from their fictitious homes, to their fictitious schools, in the mythical land of Canada, which according to Pixy, is not a real place.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 13, 2025 06:28 AM (O7YUW)

I'll park this here.

@orderupx
3h
Replying to @AMAZlNGNATURE
birds aren’t real
Posted by: m at June 13, 2025 02:53 PM (CQE5S)

Posted by: m at June 14, 2025 06:57 AM (CQE5S)

71 Canadia. It's like a whole 'nother country.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at June 14, 2025 06:59 AM (lIgBp)

72 It's like a hat.

Posted by: m at June 14, 2025 07:00 AM (CQE5S)

73 Everyone in the nearby city is suppose to gather downtown for 'no kings days'. Could anyone fill me in on what that is? King Charles, King cheese, or just a excuse to loot and burn, to grab what the youth can from the few stores left in the city, and their are not many. Just convenience stores and dollar stores...

Posted by: colin at June 14, 2025 07:03 AM (wlQdF)

74 I find it amusingly odd that AI is never, ever touted as being able to replace C level management.

Posted by: Richard Cranium at June 14, 2025 07:15 AM (BkdKv)

75 AI can never be smarter than those who write it's code.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at June 14, 2025 07:17 AM (hKoQL)

76 Everyone in the nearby city is suppose to gather downtown for 'no kings days'. Could anyone fill me in on what that is? King Charles, King cheese, or just a excuse to loot and burn, to grab what the youth can from the few stores left in the city, and their are not many. Just convenience stores and dollar stores...
Posted by: colin

An excuse to cause trouble, embarrass PDT and inconvenience us normies.

Posted by: Tuna at June 14, 2025 07:27 AM (lJ0H4)

77 AI can never be smarter than those who write it's code.

"smart" can mean different things, so the statement doesn't say anything.

In Computer Vision, it can be the ability to pattern match and "recognize" things, or numbers of things.

In LLMs, its just a tokenizer and probability machine, useful for performing quick searches and cobbling up some sort of response that was generated by fragments of others linked data.

If you mean "quick thinking". Its like a savant in some areas and an imbecile in most others. So to quickly scan a document and provide a summary, its better than all of its developers in aggregate. It can use a prediction engine to score a chess move faster, react faster to a changing environment.

But is totally incapable of wisdom.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 14, 2025 07:44 AM (a4flb)

78 If only there were more Reddits we could use to train Artificial Intelligence!

I would hate to see what would happen if directed here for shelving instructions, dating advice or wound treatments.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at June 14, 2025 07:46 AM (a4flb)

79 I worked at HP on Stevens Creek 51U in the early 90s and they were full woke before woke was even a term. HP put an imbecile that didnt know the difference between Storage and Memory running the Network Server Division. She was a useless black women named Sharon Paris. Back in those days HP used assigned IP addresses and this one idiot refused to touch his computer because the last octet was 666. HP was not what they once were by any stretch.

Posted by: Fisht at June 14, 2025 09:42 AM (BHEHK)

80 A Daniel Johnston song.

Posted by: front toward enemy at June 14, 2025 10:32 AM (TIizU)

81 Oh Lord...Apotheker. Singlehandedly turned HP to absolute shyte with his obsession with turning the company into yet another crappy software mill and forgot that software needs hardware to run on. I wish my late husband was still around to see this; Apotheker absolutely disgusted him for how badly he screwed up HP.

Posted by: Saber Alter at June 14, 2025 12:20 PM (AZg1Q)

82 >>>Back in those days HP used assigned IP addresses and this
>>>one idiot refused to touch his computer because the last octet
>>>was 666.

Not possible. No octet in an IPv4 address can be larger than 255 (decimal), or 0xFF (hexadecimal).

Posted by: The Nth Doctor at June 14, 2025 01:46 PM (5Zj4S)

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