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Iran Fires Dozens of Missiles at Tel Aviv
Plus: Former Democrat Candidate for Vice President Tim Walz: We Need a Country With "Moral Authority" to Step In to Save Iran from Israel.
Oh, I Know Who Has Moral Authority -- China!!!
All of Israel's attacks were against valid military targets. Including pinpoint-accurate strikes against generals of the Revolutionary Guards and the Iranian Air Force (RIP) and professors working on Iran's nuke program.
The Muslims, of course, are bad at making conventional war so they go straight to terror-bombing major population centers:
Iran is taking its vengeance. It's trying to blow up Jewish civilians -- of course -- but most of its missiles lobbed at population centers are being intercepted by the Iron Dome anti-missile defense system. But a handful of missiles are getting through. They hit a high-rise apartment building.
BREAKING: Iranian missiles strike Tel Aviv, Israel. pic.twitter.com/3WiigBz1Kk
— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) June 13, 2025
BREAKING: Iranian missiles have made impact in Tel Aviv as Israel's air defense system fails to intercept all of the missiles.
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) June 13, 2025
Residents have been told to remain in bomb shelters. pic.twitter.com/TuIgcIGNrc
Tim Walz on Israel striking Iran: “Who is the voice in the world that can negotiate some type of agreement and hold the moral authority? It might be the Chinese.” pic.twitter.com/tLQFgOj0xL
— TheBlaze (@theblaze) June 13, 2025
WATCH: Rep. Nancy Mace just OBLITERATED Tim Walz in a lightning round beatdown during the sanctuary state hearing.
— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) June 12, 2025
“Are you still friends with school shooters?”
This was savage.@NancyMace: “Are you calling for ICE agents to be brought to a tribunal under the threat of death… pic.twitter.com/u2XqvzlqS3
JUST IN: Illinois Governor JB Pritzker goes mute after Rep. Brandon Gill stumps him on his previous tweet about men in women's bathrooms.
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) June 12, 2025
Gill: Do you think men should be allowed in women's restrooms?
Pritzker: I'm not sure why this has come to this issue.
Gill: You tweeted:… pic.twitter.com/BBuaybTwRV
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Posted by: GF at June 13, 2025 03:14 PM (K1ovB)
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Is there anything that the Democrats can do/say that would cause lefty Jews to abandon it?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 03:15 PM (ExV1e)
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On to Tim Walz's plea for China to come save its ally Iran:
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What can he say?
He loves slavery.
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What can he say?
He loves slavery.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:16 PM (GBKbO)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:16 PM (Zz0t1)
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Seems the title has been slightly chopped.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:16 PM (Zz0t1)
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Oh, never mind. Lamont must've stepped in and fixed it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:16 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Jmel at June 13, 2025 03:17 PM (bVhJi)
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Shitter's clogged !
Posted by: Prickzger at June 13, 2025 03:17 PM (qMnM9)
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I really like this Congressman Gill...
Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2025 03:17 PM (VE6XX)
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More from the sanctuary city hearings: Rep. Gill confronts fatally obese transgender extremist Governor Pritzker of Illinois with a previous tweet in which he exhorted men to use women's bathrooms to protest Trump.
He wants to know if this gargantuan bag of fat blew up any women's toilets with his blockbuster deuces.
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It's the dastardly Scott Jennings method.
Quote Democrats back at them.
He wants to know if this gargantuan bag of fat blew up any women's toilets with his blockbuster deuces.
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It's the dastardly Scott Jennings method.
Quote Democrats back at them.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:18 PM (GBKbO)
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He wants to know if this gargantuan bag of fat blew up any women's toilets with his blockbuster deuces.
You know, there's a channel for that......
You know, there's a channel for that......
Posted by: Pron Hub at June 13, 2025 03:18 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 13, 2025 03:19 PM (VI06/)
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I've been waiting for this war since I was in college, in the late 70s. They instituted the draft registration then, that still exists today. We expected it to be US vs Iran.
Posted by: MrExcitement at June 13, 2025 03:19 PM (hOOi9)
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Prayers for Israel...
Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2025 03:19 PM (VE6XX)
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Is there anything that the Democrats can do/say that would cause lefty Jews to abandon it?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 03:15 PM (ExV1e)
Generations of stabbing them in the back says not likely.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 03:15 PM (ExV1e)
Generations of stabbing them in the back says not likely.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:20 PM (Zz0t1)
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Waltz thinks the Chinese?
He just lost the Somali vote.
He just lost the Somali vote.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 13, 2025 03:20 PM (W/lyH)
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Question: With the current retaliation from Iran, how about targeting the mullahs ? They are directing this and as far as I’m concerned, should now be military targets.
Posted by: Jen the original at June 13, 2025 03:20 PM (uFhcf)
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All of Israel's attacks were against valid military targets. Including pinpoint-accurate strikes against generals of the Revolutionary Guards and the Iranian Air Force (RIP) and professors working on Iran's nuke program.
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They all had three babies strapped to them when they died.
Israel targeted babies.
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They all had three babies strapped to them when they died.
Israel targeted babies.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:20 PM (GBKbO)
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With their precision air defenses down and their offensive operations outside their borders eroded in recent years, Iran doesn't seem to have much of a negotiating position.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at June 13, 2025 03:20 PM (okun6)
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Walz is a Chinese stooge
Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2025 03:20 PM (+qU29)
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hat seething mass of masculinity, Tim Walz.
So much man just dripping off of him.
Weird.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 13, 2025 03:19 PM (VI06/)
You misspelled "dripping off his chin."
So much man just dripping off of him.
Weird.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 13, 2025 03:19 PM (VI06/)
You misspelled "dripping off his chin."
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:20 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Piper at June 13, 2025 03:20 PM (pZEOD)
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17 Question: With the current retaliation from Iran, how about targeting the mullahs ? They are directing this and as far as I’m concerned, should now be military targets.
Posted by: Jen the original at June 13, 2025 03:20 PM (uFhcf
I imagine they would like to...
Posted by: Jen the original at June 13, 2025 03:20 PM (uFhcf
I imagine they would like to...
Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2025 03:21 PM (VE6XX)
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Let's not forget that that there is a cooperative between Iran and China on their nuclear development. China sits on the fence spouting that they don't think it's a good idea for Iran to have nuclear weapons all the while providing expertise through Chinese personnel in the process.
Hopefully, some Chinese scientists bought the farm yesterday as well. I suspect this was an under the table topic of last week's economic talks with China. I, also, suspect that when the US contingent called an end to the Iranian talks it was along the lines of "gosh, my arms are getting tired of holding back the Israelis. I'm going to take a little break." (AKA--- Hodor diplomacy)
Hopefully, some Chinese scientists bought the farm yesterday as well. I suspect this was an under the table topic of last week's economic talks with China. I, also, suspect that when the US contingent called an end to the Iranian talks it was along the lines of "gosh, my arms are getting tired of holding back the Israelis. I'm going to take a little break." (AKA--- Hodor diplomacy)
Posted by: Orson at June 13, 2025 03:21 PM (dIske)
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Is your position that Israel can launch missiles with impunity into Iran including Iran’s cities but Iran can’t retaliate.
Posted by: Really? at June 13, 2025 03:21 PM (IyRU1)
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2 Is there anything that the Democrats can do/say that would cause lefty Jews to abandon it?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 03:15 PM (ExV1e)
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Their religion is progressivism which supersedes their ethnicity of Jewishness.
They will sacrifice anything, including their own lives, to keep open borders and abortion legal.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 03:15 PM (ExV1e)
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Their religion is progressivism which supersedes their ethnicity of Jewishness.
They will sacrifice anything, including their own lives, to keep open borders and abortion legal.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:21 PM (GBKbO)
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This is not going to end the way iran thinks it will.
At this point iran is just trying to save face, they have no hope of seriously damaging Israel. However, the more they try the harder Israel is going to hit them back.
At this point iran is just trying to save face, they have no hope of seriously damaging Israel. However, the more they try the harder Israel is going to hit them back.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2025 03:21 PM (e5NfL)
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Iran is taking its vengeance. It's trying to blow up Jewish civilians -- of course -- but most of its missiles lobbed at population centers are being intercepted by the Iron Dome anti-missile defense system.
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And their coreligionists in the West Bank, apparently.
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And their coreligionists in the West Bank, apparently.
Posted by: Methos at June 13, 2025 03:22 PM (Dnobf)
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Gill: You tweeted: 'As a protest against President Trump, everyone should use the other gender's bathroom today.' Have you ever used the women's restroom?
Pritzker: Not that I can recall.
Gill: So you just wanted everybody else to do it, but you didn't?
Pritzker: ...
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I got a good chuckle when I saw that clip yesterday.
Typical modern-progressive-leftist...
'Do As I Say, Not As I Do.'
Pritzker: Not that I can recall.
Gill: So you just wanted everybody else to do it, but you didn't?
Pritzker: ...
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I got a good chuckle when I saw that clip yesterday.
Typical modern-progressive-leftist...
'Do As I Say, Not As I Do.'
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 13, 2025 03:22 PM (6ydKt)
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Tim will freak out a young woman in the bathroom. Her father will Kung fu him.
Posted by: Dreamingrobot at June 13, 2025 03:22 PM (ZSvpp)
Posted by: XTC at June 13, 2025 03:22 PM (UnA8+)
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Generations of stabbing them in the back says not likely.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:20 PM (Zz0t1)
Yeah, but I don't think we've ever had a P/VP candidate ever be quite so explicit before. Maybe he thought it was some kind of diss of Trump but dayum.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:20 PM (Zz0t1)
Yeah, but I don't think we've ever had a P/VP candidate ever be quite so explicit before. Maybe he thought it was some kind of diss of Trump but dayum.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 03:22 PM (ExV1e)
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>>>At this point iran is just trying to save face, they have no hope of seriously damaging Israel. However, the more they try the harder Israel is going to hit them back.
Agree in part, but not with the last part. Israel intends to end the Iranian regime, period. There is nothing Iran can do to incite them further. And there is nothing they can do to call Israel off. They end now.
Agree in part, but not with the last part. Israel intends to end the Iranian regime, period. There is nothing Iran can do to incite them further. And there is nothing they can do to call Israel off. They end now.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:22 PM (KRtlO)
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All of Israel's attacks were against valid military targets. Including pinpoint-accurate strikes against generals of the Revolutionary Guards and the Iranian Air Force (RIP) and professors working on Iran's nuke program.
The Muslims, of course, are bad at making conventional war so they go straight to terror-bombing major population centers:
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Important distinction when the talking heads and shriekers start their whataboutism BS.
The Muslims, of course, are bad at making conventional war so they go straight to terror-bombing major population centers:
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Important distinction when the talking heads and shriekers start their whataboutism BS.
Posted by: scampydog at June 13, 2025 03:22 PM (2bFN5)
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16 Waltz thinks the Chinese?
He just lost the Somali vote.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 13, 2025 03:20 PM (W/lyH)
I just learned this -- Somalia is on the UN Security Council. Seriously.
He just lost the Somali vote.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 13, 2025 03:20 PM (W/lyH)
I just learned this -- Somalia is on the UN Security Council. Seriously.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at June 13, 2025 03:23 PM (PiwSw)
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with Tim Waltz.
But it is kind of a perfect solution -- make this whole situation China's problem. And why stop there? Let them take over the role of Global Empire.
If they're stupid enough to take on the challenge, then they can bleed their treasury dry and send their kids to die for non-stop wars all over the planet.
Because this is what brought down the British empire, and what is bringing down the American empire.
But it is kind of a perfect solution -- make this whole situation China's problem. And why stop there? Let them take over the role of Global Empire.
If they're stupid enough to take on the challenge, then they can bleed their treasury dry and send their kids to die for non-stop wars all over the planet.
Because this is what brought down the British empire, and what is bringing down the American empire.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:23 PM (uCjyK)
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at June 13, 2025 03:24 PM (ZWUXj)
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The U S is actively helping to shooting down the Iranian missiles.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 13, 2025 03:24 PM (DLqye)
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Mace can be great fun to watch when she's bludgeoning the right person. But I don't trust her in any position of great power. She's like Ted Cruz in the sense she's great when she's pointed the right direction, but she seems to have really bad instincts at times.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 13, 2025 03:24 PM (lIio7)
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>>>36 I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with Tim Waltz.
I can believe you're saying it. You are fully on board with the Obama Doctrine.
I can believe you're saying it. You are fully on board with the Obama Doctrine.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:24 PM (KRtlO)
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33 Agree in part, but not with the last part. Israel intends to end the Iranian regime, period. There is nothing Iran can do to incite them further. And there is nothing they can do to call Israel off. They end now.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:22 PM (KRtlO)
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I don't know about that.
It's related to my point about the depth of bomb busting equipment.
They really need boots on the ground to ensure that the technology is destroyed. Are they planning on boots on the ground?
If not, then they're only hoping to stall things, maybe with the idea that the US will negotiate with Iran to stopping terrorism funding and nuclear development.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:22 PM (KRtlO)
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I don't know about that.
It's related to my point about the depth of bomb busting equipment.
They really need boots on the ground to ensure that the technology is destroyed. Are they planning on boots on the ground?
If not, then they're only hoping to stall things, maybe with the idea that the US will negotiate with Iran to stopping terrorism funding and nuclear development.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:25 PM (GBKbO)
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> I just learned this -- Somalia is on the UN Security Council. Seriously.
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The UN is a very unserious entity. It's the USAID of international grifting operations with a side of irrelevance.
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The UN is a very unserious entity. It's the USAID of international grifting operations with a side of irrelevance.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 13, 2025 03:25 PM (Q4IgG)
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40 >>>36 I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with Tim Waltz.
I can believe you're saying it. You are fully on board with the Obama Doctrine.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:24 PM (KRtlO)
Thanks Ace for calling him/her out..
I can believe you're saying it. You are fully on board with the Obama Doctrine.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:24 PM (KRtlO)
Thanks Ace for calling him/her out..
Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2025 03:25 PM (VE6XX)
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Posted by: Really? at June 13, 2025 03:21 PM (IyRU1)
Consider re-reading the first paragraph and spending the time required to comprehend it.
Consider re-reading the first paragraph and spending the time required to comprehend it.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 03:25 PM (ExV1e)
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The Israelis in Tel Aviv have (reportedly) been told they can leave the shelters, but to stay close by.
So no more imminent waves of drones incoming, for now.
So no more imminent waves of drones incoming, for now.
Posted by: illiniwek at June 13, 2025 03:25 PM (vbXSk)
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Yeah Tim Walz, he's definitely a CCP bot, but a LOT of congress is.
Data Republican, again
https://tinyurl.com/dotconnection
"It's important to understand that the June 8–9 protests were financed by PSL, the People's Front, and Neville Singham... entities aligned with anti-Western Communist/Chinese interests.
These groups are entirely separate from those funding the NoKings protests, which are backed by globalist Western organizations and billionaires."
Data Republican, again
https://tinyurl.com/dotconnection
"It's important to understand that the June 8–9 protests were financed by PSL, the People's Front, and Neville Singham... entities aligned with anti-Western Communist/Chinese interests.
These groups are entirely separate from those funding the NoKings protests, which are backed by globalist Western organizations and billionaires."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:25 PM (e7kz6)
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>>> There is nothing Iran can do to incite them further.
well, I guess Iran could launch a missile filled with nuclear material, which would invite a nuclear counter-strike.
well, I guess Iran could launch a missile filled with nuclear material, which would invite a nuclear counter-strike.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:26 PM (KRtlO)
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High school dropout Mace just beat down the most manly man that the donks can put forth. That was a blood bath.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 13, 2025 03:26 PM (17s+e)
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I can believe you're saying it. You are fully on board with the Obama Doctrine.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:24 PM (KRtlO)
It's like there's not been any mention of "death to America" or "death to the west" that says we should just ignore all that shit and let our sworn enemies arm the plan our demise to their hearts content.
Nothing like waiting to be struck first.
I can believe you're saying it. You are fully on board with the Obama Doctrine.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:24 PM (KRtlO)
It's like there's not been any mention of "death to America" or "death to the west" that says we should just ignore all that shit and let our sworn enemies arm the plan our demise to their hearts content.
Nothing like waiting to be struck first.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:26 PM (Zz0t1)
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Mace can be great fun to watch when she's bludgeoning the right person.
Appropriate name, when it comes to that...
Appropriate name, when it comes to that...
Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at June 13, 2025 03:26 PM (OUMaO)
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Tim Walz on Israel striking Iran: “Who is the voice in the world that can negotiate some type of agreement and hold the moral authority? It might be the Chinese.”
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Old & Busted: Tampon Tim.
New Hotness: Tianjin Tim.
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Old & Busted: Tampon Tim.
New Hotness: Tianjin Tim.
Posted by: ShainS -- Looking forward to The Graveyard Dead summer tour at June 13, 2025 03:26 PM (qpkqc)
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So, Gov. Pritzker, do you ever find yourself in bathrooms and don't recall how you got there?
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at June 13, 2025 03:26 PM (PiwSw)
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I've seen multiple reports on X of Iranian missiles hitting Gaza and the West Bank.
"HA-ha!" - Nelson
"HA-ha!" - Nelson
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2025 03:27 PM (2ocoG)
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Al Jazeera News LIVE UPDATES
'Sirens sound across Israel amid Iranian missile attacks'
Published 10 minutes ago -
Over a dozen people injured in Tel Aviv: Report
Published 15 minutes ago -
Explosions heard in Jerusalem: Report
Published 15 minutes ago -
Trump quiet, meeting with experts in White House Situation Room
Published 18 minutes ago -
Israel denies Israeli pilot captured in Iran
Published 20 minutes ago -
Footage emerges from site of impact in Tel Aviv
Published 21 minutes ago -
Iranian media reports ‘massive explosion’ in central city of Isfahan
'Sirens sound across Israel amid Iranian missile attacks'
Published 10 minutes ago -
Over a dozen people injured in Tel Aviv: Report
Published 15 minutes ago -
Explosions heard in Jerusalem: Report
Published 15 minutes ago -
Trump quiet, meeting with experts in White House Situation Room
Published 18 minutes ago -
Israel denies Israeli pilot captured in Iran
Published 20 minutes ago -
Footage emerges from site of impact in Tel Aviv
Published 21 minutes ago -
Iranian media reports ‘massive explosion’ in central city of Isfahan
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at June 13, 2025 03:27 PM (NFX2v)
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Iran's people are going to have to take care of the problem themselves.
It's a perfect opportunity.
But who knows how that will end up once it starts.
Could be a new 'democracy'.
A continued theocracy.
They might end up in a civil war.
It's a perfect opportunity.
But who knows how that will end up once it starts.
Could be a new 'democracy'.
A continued theocracy.
They might end up in a civil war.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 13, 2025 03:27 PM (6ydKt)
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The Communist Chinese slaughtered around ten-thousand unarmed Chinese college students on live international television at Tiananmen Square, all for asking for the right to choose their own leaders and their own form of government.
Tim Walz saw this and thought, "What an ideal vacation spot!"
Standing ankle-deep in the blood of innocents with a smile on your face and joy in your heart is just part of belonging to the Democrat Party. Whether it's supporting slavery, founding the Ku Klux Klan, aborting babies at nine months or honeymooning in the Soviet Union, Democrats are always more than happy to partake.
Tim Walz saw this and thought, "What an ideal vacation spot!"
Standing ankle-deep in the blood of innocents with a smile on your face and joy in your heart is just part of belonging to the Democrat Party. Whether it's supporting slavery, founding the Ku Klux Klan, aborting babies at nine months or honeymooning in the Soviet Union, Democrats are always more than happy to partake.
Posted by: Sam Adams at June 13, 2025 03:27 PM (X+xvk)
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Speaking of people who sound like escaped mental patients (referring to Gov Walz), I saw a group of about a dozen people protesting outside my Congressman's local office.
Like Walz, they looked like pretty respectable people. It was the slogans on their signs that gave the unmistakable hints that they had missed their meds today. Do they imagine that any NORMAL person, outside their delusional Leftist Lunatic bubble, even knows what "NO KINGS" is supposed to even be talking about? I forget the other slogans, but they were equally cryptic and delusional.
The were apparently short-sheeted though. No pallets of bricks. My Congressman was likely not even there, of course. Outside of the biggest cities, in upstate NY (which is where I'm talking about) is MAGA country, so no National Guard was required.
Like Walz, they looked like pretty respectable people. It was the slogans on their signs that gave the unmistakable hints that they had missed their meds today. Do they imagine that any NORMAL person, outside their delusional Leftist Lunatic bubble, even knows what "NO KINGS" is supposed to even be talking about? I forget the other slogans, but they were equally cryptic and delusional.
The were apparently short-sheeted though. No pallets of bricks. My Congressman was likely not even there, of course. Outside of the biggest cities, in upstate NY (which is where I'm talking about) is MAGA country, so no National Guard was required.
Posted by: MrExcitement at June 13, 2025 03:27 PM (hOOi9)
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Old & Busted: Tampon Tim.
New Hotness: Tianjin Tim.
Posted by: ShainS -- Looking forward to The Graveyard Dead summer tour at June 13, 2025 03:26 PM (qpkqc)
Man Goo Guy Tim
Old & Busted: Tampon Tim.
New Hotness: Tianjin Tim.
Posted by: ShainS -- Looking forward to The Graveyard Dead summer tour at June 13, 2025 03:26 PM (qpkqc)
Man Goo Guy Tim
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:27 PM (Zz0t1)
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I can't bear to watch these Democrat imbeciles. They know they aren't fooling anyone. They just spout meaningless bs that may or may not line up with the goals of their totalitarian project. The totalitarian project is all that matters to them.
Posted by: Minuteman at June 13, 2025 03:28 PM (47/pr)
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Several are reporting on X that Dimona has been hit.
Posted by: beckster at June 13, 2025 03:28 PM (NLtte)
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It just needs to keep being pointed out that China has state-sponsored and enforced slavery...today.
And that is who Walz is saying has greater moral authority than the US.
I mean, if we want to argue about American malfeasance in foreign affairs, especially over the past 30 years or so, I'm open. But...
And that is who Walz is saying has greater moral authority than the US.
I mean, if we want to argue about American malfeasance in foreign affairs, especially over the past 30 years or so, I'm open. But...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:28 PM (GBKbO)
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China?? hahahah. We all knew Walz had a little Chinese in him.
Posted by: runner at June 13, 2025 03:28 PM (g47mK)
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>>>They really need boots on the ground to ensure that the technology is destroyed. Are they planning on boots on the ground?
I was thinking that yeah, they might bring in some commandos to plant charges. I dunno, of course. It's super-risky.
As for "ensuring the technology is destroyed" -- Israel has probably contemplated doing to Iran what the US did to post-Gulf-War Iraq, and just keeping up "maintenance bombing" of weapon sites indefinitely.
They can just keep bombing Iran forever.
I was thinking that yeah, they might bring in some commandos to plant charges. I dunno, of course. It's super-risky.
As for "ensuring the technology is destroyed" -- Israel has probably contemplated doing to Iran what the US did to post-Gulf-War Iraq, and just keeping up "maintenance bombing" of weapon sites indefinitely.
They can just keep bombing Iran forever.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:28 PM (KRtlO)
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Because this is what brought down the British empire, and what is bringing down the American empire.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Gotta disagree. What is bringing the USA down is the welfare state and an additional 50 million illegal invaders sucking it dry.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Gotta disagree. What is bringing the USA down is the welfare state and an additional 50 million illegal invaders sucking it dry.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 13, 2025 03:28 PM (17s+e)
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I just learned this -- Somalia is on the UN Security Council. Seriously.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper
Wasn’t North Korea on the Human Rights council at some point?
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper
Wasn’t North Korea on the Human Rights council at some point?
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 13, 2025 03:28 PM (W2Pud)
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Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:23 PM (uCjyK)
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The Little Red Book Club looks as all non-Chinese as lesser. In other words, they'd never bother trying to police the world other than under conquest and subrogation. Conscripts, market tampering, brutal application of military resources. They have no empathy for those other than themselves. They have no interest in fairness.
I'm sure they would willingly step into the role of singular superpower, and the rest of the world would pay the price. A high price.
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The Little Red Book Club looks as all non-Chinese as lesser. In other words, they'd never bother trying to police the world other than under conquest and subrogation. Conscripts, market tampering, brutal application of military resources. They have no empathy for those other than themselves. They have no interest in fairness.
I'm sure they would willingly step into the role of singular superpower, and the rest of the world would pay the price. A high price.
Posted by: Orson at June 13, 2025 03:29 PM (dIske)
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Note that he visited Tiananmen Square shortly after his Chinese patrons murdered dozens of protesters.
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Not just dozens. Best estimate is about 10,000.
Note that he visited Tiananmen Square shortly after his Chinese patrons murdered dozens of protesters.
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Not just dozens. Best estimate is about 10,000.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 13, 2025 03:29 PM (ES1Rb)
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34 All of Israel's attacks were against valid military targets...
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We go through this sick double-standard in every conflict. Israel takes pains to avoid civilian casualties; the mullahs deliberately target civilians. The media ignores the fact, turns Israel into the heartless civilian-slaughterer and most of the world laps up the lies.
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We go through this sick double-standard in every conflict. Israel takes pains to avoid civilian casualties; the mullahs deliberately target civilians. The media ignores the fact, turns Israel into the heartless civilian-slaughterer and most of the world laps up the lies.
Posted by: Ordinary American at June 13, 2025 03:29 PM (x2CMu)
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So are we sending in troops yet? I haven't had an erection this hard in 20 years!
Posted by: Lindsey Graham at June 13, 2025 03:29 PM (Iu6NJ)
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If citizens were going to revolt against the Iranian regime, they would have done it by now.
It isn't like the Regime decided to deport a bunch of peopl
It isn't like the Regime decided to deport a bunch of peopl
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 03:29 PM (Z3lXG)
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Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:23 PM (uCjyK)
What sort of bargaining position do they have? They cannot directly attack Israel, we wouldn't allow that. I suppose they could get Iran to play nice temporarily and hope to convince Israel to buy the BS again but unless Trump tells them to know it off I don't think that would work.
What sort of bargaining position do they have? They cannot directly attack Israel, we wouldn't allow that. I suppose they could get Iran to play nice temporarily and hope to convince Israel to buy the BS again but unless Trump tells them to know it off I don't think that would work.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 03:29 PM (ExV1e)
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63 I was thinking that yeah, they might bring in some commandos to plant charges. I dunno, of course. It's super-risky.
As for "ensuring the technology is destroyed" -- Israel has probably contemplated doing to Iran what the US did to post-Gulf-War Iraq, and just keeping up "maintenance bombing" of weapon sites indefinitely.
They can just keep bombing Iran forever.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:28 PM (KRtlO)
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If it's just cruise missiles for a few days and then the negotiating table, Israel has no intention of taking this to the logical end of deposing the mullahs and actually ending their nuclear program.
As for "ensuring the technology is destroyed" -- Israel has probably contemplated doing to Iran what the US did to post-Gulf-War Iraq, and just keeping up "maintenance bombing" of weapon sites indefinitely.
They can just keep bombing Iran forever.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:28 PM (KRtlO)
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If it's just cruise missiles for a few days and then the negotiating table, Israel has no intention of taking this to the logical end of deposing the mullahs and actually ending their nuclear program.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:29 PM (GBKbO)
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Because this is what brought down the British empire, and what is bringing down the American empire.
The Gay American Empire is being brought down by the Democrats.
The Gay American Empire is being brought down by the Democrats.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2025 03:30 PM (2ocoG)
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I do like Harry Paratestes and Maj. Healey but we didn't sign up for their Blame America First/Sell Out American Allies to the Muslims plan for "peace."
They're not arguing for "peace." They're arguing for what Obama argued for -- that we can "absorb" terrorist attacks indefinitely because we have so many people.
In case you guys forgot, Iran funded, and continues to fund, every anti-American terrorist group in the world. They have killed hundreds of Americans.
They're not arguing for "peace." They're arguing for what Obama argued for -- that we can "absorb" terrorist attacks indefinitely because we have so many people.
In case you guys forgot, Iran funded, and continues to fund, every anti-American terrorist group in the world. They have killed hundreds of Americans.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:30 PM (KRtlO)
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63 >>>They really need boots on the ground to ensure that the technology is destroyed. Are they planning on boots on the ground?
I was thinking that yeah, they might bring in some commandos to plant charges. I dunno, of course. It's super-risky.
As for "ensuring the technology is destroyed" -- Israel has probably contemplated doing to Iran what the US did to post-Gulf-War Iraq, and just keeping up "maintenance bombing" of weapon sites indefinitely.
They can just keep bombing Iran forever.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:28 PM (KRtlO)
Given the lack of response capability, the real question is whether the Iranian regime capitulates or is eventually replaced. Their rule has shown some cracks over the last decade plus.
I was thinking that yeah, they might bring in some commandos to plant charges. I dunno, of course. It's super-risky.
As for "ensuring the technology is destroyed" -- Israel has probably contemplated doing to Iran what the US did to post-Gulf-War Iraq, and just keeping up "maintenance bombing" of weapon sites indefinitely.
They can just keep bombing Iran forever.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:28 PM (KRtlO)
Given the lack of response capability, the real question is whether the Iranian regime capitulates or is eventually replaced. Their rule has shown some cracks over the last decade plus.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at June 13, 2025 03:30 PM (okun6)
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I don't know who the fat, dumb gal was interviewing Walz, but she sounded as though she thought Israel "striking Iran" was random. She described it as "escalatory."
Yeah, bitch, they can't have nukes and they can't continue to bully for the "palestinians."
Yeah, bitch, they can't have nukes and they can't continue to bully for the "palestinians."
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 13, 2025 03:30 PM (PMtkd)
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I can believe you're saying it. You are fully on board with the Obama Doctrine.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:24 PM (KRtlO)
I don't know about that, but I know I'm not on board with the Cheney doctrine.
Didn't Tim Walz campaign with Liz Cheney, as a matter of fact? And the entire neocon establishment took their cruise ships right on over to the D side when Trump ran in 2016 on the idea that maybe we shouldn't be involving ourselves in constant wars around the world?
Because if my memory is correct, other than Republicans named "Bush" and their crowd of foreign policy experts who brought us the great resounding successes in Afghanistan and Iraq, it has always been the Republican position to stay out of foreign entanglements.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:24 PM (KRtlO)
I don't know about that, but I know I'm not on board with the Cheney doctrine.
Didn't Tim Walz campaign with Liz Cheney, as a matter of fact? And the entire neocon establishment took their cruise ships right on over to the D side when Trump ran in 2016 on the idea that maybe we shouldn't be involving ourselves in constant wars around the world?
Because if my memory is correct, other than Republicans named "Bush" and their crowd of foreign policy experts who brought us the great resounding successes in Afghanistan and Iraq, it has always been the Republican position to stay out of foreign entanglements.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:30 PM (uCjyK)
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It's all because Israel bombed the "Baby Milk Factory."
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 03:30 PM (Z3lXG)
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CHina's biggest competitor in the drone market is Iran. Now, they do love Iran's (illegal) oil business, but you know, Russia is right there! With so much cheap oil and gas and stuff. you go now.
Posted by: runner at June 13, 2025 03:30 PM (g47mK)
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Every time this shit starts I cross my fingers that Iran nails the Dome of the Rock.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 03:30 PM (jc0TO)
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China is the new Russia for the left. Seriously.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 03:30 PM (iFTx/)
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They really need boots on the ground to ensure that the technology is destroyed. Are they planning on boots on the ground?
I was thinking that yeah, they might bring in some commandos to plant charges. I dunno, of course. It's super-risky.
As for "ensuring the technology is destroyed" -- Israel has probably contemplated doing to Iran what the US did to post-Gulf-War Iraq, and just keeping up "maintenance bombing" of weapon sites indefinitely.
They can just keep bombing Iran forever.
Posted by: ace
it is forever if we are giving them the bombs and aircraft forever.
I was thinking that yeah, they might bring in some commandos to plant charges. I dunno, of course. It's super-risky.
As for "ensuring the technology is destroyed" -- Israel has probably contemplated doing to Iran what the US did to post-Gulf-War Iraq, and just keeping up "maintenance bombing" of weapon sites indefinitely.
They can just keep bombing Iran forever.
Posted by: ace
it is forever if we are giving them the bombs and aircraft forever.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:31 PM (PcQFu)
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China?? hahahah. We all knew Walz had a little Chinese in him.
Posted by: runner at June 13, 2025 03:28 PM (g47mK)
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Timmy do rou have a rittle chinee in you?.... Do rou want some?
Posted by: runner at June 13, 2025 03:28 PM (g47mK)
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Timmy do rou have a rittle chinee in you?.... Do rou want some?
Posted by: Xi at June 13, 2025 03:31 PM (17s+e)
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Is your position that Israel can launch missiles with impunity into Iran including Iran’s cities but Iran can’t retaliate.
Posted by: Really? at June 13, 2025 03:21 PM (IyRU1)
No, what he pretty clearly noted was that Israel is capable of hitting specific targets in Iran which are part of its military or programs supporting it, and the incompetent Persians can only shoot missiles in Israel's general direction and hope to get lucky and murder some women and children.
Posted by: Really? at June 13, 2025 03:21 PM (IyRU1)
No, what he pretty clearly noted was that Israel is capable of hitting specific targets in Iran which are part of its military or programs supporting it, and the incompetent Persians can only shoot missiles in Israel's general direction and hope to get lucky and murder some women and children.
Posted by: Methos at June 13, 2025 03:31 PM (Dnobf)
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Iran doesn’t care about the Vienna Convention of. 1961. I doubt they heard of the Geneva Convention.
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 13, 2025 03:31 PM (vm8sq)
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It is truly astonishing that Walz and Pritzker think they have a real shot at being the Dem nominee, and then president. Neither one can form a coherent thought.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2025 03:31 PM (s8j++)
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>>>78 It's all because Israel bombed the "Baby Milk Factory."
Apparently Iran is a world leader in baby formula production with all the facilities that get bombed.
Apparently Iran is a world leader in baby formula production with all the facilities that get bombed.
Posted by: brak at June 13, 2025 03:32 PM (jGJov)
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If only the GOP Congress cared as much about fiscal responsibility and border security as they do about making Democrat governors reveal their idiocy.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 13, 2025 03:32 PM (c+P3c)
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So no more imminent waves of drones incoming, for now.
Posted by: illiniwek at June 13, 2025 03:25 PM (vbXSk)
Not for Israel just yet.
For the US, expect every useful installation to get droned hard.
Posted by: illiniwek at June 13, 2025 03:25 PM (vbXSk)
Not for Israel just yet.
For the US, expect every useful installation to get droned hard.
Posted by: a CCP-owned farm near you at June 13, 2025 03:32 PM (gKWVE)
Posted by: runner at June 13, 2025 03:32 PM (g47mK)
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Also Al Jazeera News, today
Egypt, Libya stop activists gathering for March to Gaza, organisers say
Security sources say dozens have been detained or deported from Cairo airport and other locations.
In part, "Authorities in both Egypt and Libya have stopped activists seeking to break Israel’s blockade on Gaza, protest organisers have said, with reports of more detentions and deportations taking place.
“Forty participants of the Global March to Gaza have had their passports taken at a checkpoint on the way out of Cairo,” the organisers of the Global March to Gaza said in a statement on Friday."
Egypt, Libya stop activists gathering for March to Gaza, organisers say
Security sources say dozens have been detained or deported from Cairo airport and other locations.
In part, "Authorities in both Egypt and Libya have stopped activists seeking to break Israel’s blockade on Gaza, protest organisers have said, with reports of more detentions and deportations taking place.
“Forty participants of the Global March to Gaza have had their passports taken at a checkpoint on the way out of Cairo,” the organisers of the Global March to Gaza said in a statement on Friday."
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at June 13, 2025 03:32 PM (NFX2v)
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2025 03:32 PM (2ocoG)
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If you're in the Walz / Liz Cheney camp on a particular issue, it's likely you'd be better off at DU or that Football site than here. You'll fit in much better.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:32 PM (Zz0t1)
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China must be supplying (for free) Tim's wife her crazy pills.
She's got crazy eyes and of course says crazy shit.
She's got crazy eyes and of course says crazy shit.
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 13, 2025 03:32 PM (PMtkd)
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Even capitalist running dogs like Tim Walz understands we have absolute moral authority.
It is on a blank page that the most beautiful poems are written.
It is on a blank page that the most beautiful poems are written.
Posted by: Mao at June 13, 2025 03:32 PM (vm8sq)
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If it's just cruise missiles for a few days and then the negotiating table, Israel has no intention of taking this to the logical end of deposing the mullahs and actually ending their nuclear program.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:29 PM (GBKbO)
It's up to the people of Iran to depose the Iranian Regime. Remember that Iran has a population of 88 million; Israel has a population of 9.4 million. Israel is not going to invade Iran and overthrow their government.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:29 PM (GBKbO)
It's up to the people of Iran to depose the Iranian Regime. Remember that Iran has a population of 88 million; Israel has a population of 9.4 million. Israel is not going to invade Iran and overthrow their government.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (uWKK8)
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86 It is truly astonishing that Walz and Pritzker think they have a real shot at being the Dem nominee, and then president. Neither one can form a coherent thought.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2025 03:31 PM (s8j++)
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Having driven out the working class elements of the electorate, especially after Biden's four years of open borders, the key path towards nomination may be just embracing crazy leftism.
Except...if everyone does it, it splits the vote.
Still, the donation dollars are with the crazies.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2025 03:31 PM (s8j++)
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Having driven out the working class elements of the electorate, especially after Biden's four years of open borders, the key path towards nomination may be just embracing crazy leftism.
Except...if everyone does it, it splits the vote.
Still, the donation dollars are with the crazies.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (GBKbO)
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Iran is a pissant country with the GDP of Dallas-Ft Worth, almost all of which is derived from a commodity that has to be exported by tanker or exposed pipeline.
Posted by: toby928 repeats himself at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (jc0TO)
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No, what he pretty clearly noted was that Israel is capable of hitting specific targets in Iran which are part of its military or programs supporting it, and the incompetent Persians can only shoot missiles in Israel's general direction and hope to get lucky and murder some women and children.
Posted by: Methos
youre right, the thing is part of why we did not start ww3 with the sovs was we did not want to have our civs hit by sov bombs
Posted by: Methos
youre right, the thing is part of why we did not start ww3 with the sovs was we did not want to have our civs hit by sov bombs
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (PcQFu)
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86 It is truly astonishing that Walz and Pritzker think they have a real shot at being the Dem nominee, and then president. Neither one can form a coherent thought.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2025 03:31 PM (s8j++).
Your point?
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2025 03:31 PM (s8j++).
Your point?
Posted by: Kamala Harris at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (PiwSw)
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74 I do like Harry Paratestes and Maj. Healey but we didn't sign up for their Blame America First/Sell Out American Allies to the Muslims plan for "peace."
They're not arguing for "peace." They're arguing for what Obama argued for -- that we can "absorb" terrorist attacks indefinitely because we have so many people.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:30 PM (KRtlO)
ace, I appreciate you saying that. Because obviously I like you as well and enjoy your writing or I wouldn't have spent so many hours here over the years.
But I don't think that's my position. My position is that we cannot solve the domestic problems at home while so much of domestic policy is driven by foreign affairs. I think, fundamentally, that you cannot have both a global empire and a self-governing republic.
Am I taking a bit of an extreme position? Maybe. But my point is that it is very unclear to me that the average Joe Sixpack benefits in any way from the US's foreign policy, and in fact, there are many, many drawbacks to it. Not the least of which is trillions of dollars in debt.
They're not arguing for "peace." They're arguing for what Obama argued for -- that we can "absorb" terrorist attacks indefinitely because we have so many people.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:30 PM (KRtlO)
ace, I appreciate you saying that. Because obviously I like you as well and enjoy your writing or I wouldn't have spent so many hours here over the years.
But I don't think that's my position. My position is that we cannot solve the domestic problems at home while so much of domestic policy is driven by foreign affairs. I think, fundamentally, that you cannot have both a global empire and a self-governing republic.
Am I taking a bit of an extreme position? Maybe. But my point is that it is very unclear to me that the average Joe Sixpack benefits in any way from the US's foreign policy, and in fact, there are many, many drawbacks to it. Not the least of which is trillions of dollars in debt.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (uCjyK)
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Wonder if Walz got Swawell's sloppy seconds.
Posted by: Troofer at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (kQBSd)
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>>>Is your position that Israel can launch missiles with impunity into Iran including Iran’s cities but Iran can’t retaliate.
Posted by: Really?
Is it your position that Iran can train, equip, and fund the Hamas rape-terrorists of 10/7 and Israel just has to let themselves be raped and kidnapped?
That is your position. Fucking own it, scumbag.
Posted by: Really?
Is it your position that Iran can train, equip, and fund the Hamas rape-terrorists of 10/7 and Israel just has to let themselves be raped and kidnapped?
That is your position. Fucking own it, scumbag.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (KRtlO)
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Mace can be great fun to watch when she's bludgeoning the right person. But I don't trust her in any position of great power. She's like Ted Cruz in the sense she's great when she's pointed the right direction, but she seems to have really bad instincts at times.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 13, 2025 03:24 PM (lIio7)
she can point them at me....
-_-
Posted by: bonhomme at June 13, 2025 03:24 PM (lIio7)
she can point them at me....
-_-
Posted by: Sturmtoddler at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (nXhwP)
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Fuck Walz, fuck Pritzker, and fuck Obama Biden for giving the Iranians billions of dollars for nuclear development, terrorism, and ordnance.
Posted by: These cocksuckers are vile at June 13, 2025 03:34 PM (F5hC5)
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The “widest war” in modern ME history has been raging since 10/7/23, much of it was raging in unconventional form for decades before. And the US has been warred on by Iran, with varying but often feckless (in Obama era, unbelievably idiotic) US response.
Pro-tip: pre-emption actually has a meaning. So do uncertainty, margins of safety, and the fallibility of intelligence.
The discussion of this topic, including (especially?) on “the right”, is indistinguishable from the ignorant unserious rantings on DU about the Drumpf dictatorship or systemic racism.
Sad!
Pro-tip: pre-emption actually has a meaning. So do uncertainty, margins of safety, and the fallibility of intelligence.
The discussion of this topic, including (especially?) on “the right”, is indistinguishable from the ignorant unserious rantings on DU about the Drumpf dictatorship or systemic racism.
Sad!
Posted by: rhomboid at June 13, 2025 03:34 PM (0/ySy)
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Am I taking a bit of an extreme position? Maybe. But my point is that it is very unclear to me that the average Joe Sixpack benefits in any way from the US's foreign policy, and in fact, there are many, many drawbacks to it. Not the least of which is trillions of dollars in debt.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (uCjyK)
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Agreed. 100%
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (uCjyK)
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Agreed. 100%
Posted by: Troofer at June 13, 2025 03:34 PM (kQBSd)
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39 Mace can be great fun to watch when she's bludgeoning the right person. But I don't trust her in any position of great power. She's like Ted Cruz in the sense she's great when she's pointed the right direction, but she seems to have really bad instincts at times.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 13, 2025 03:24 PM (lIio7)
Except Cruz is really smart, and Mace posts grainy videos of herself walking around naked. I kind of see where you are going, but I think Cruz is far more right than wrong. His wrongs are awe inspiring, of course. Mace feels like 98% loose cannon, and 2% accidentally got it right because she read the cards from her staffers in the correct order.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 13, 2025 03:24 PM (lIio7)
Except Cruz is really smart, and Mace posts grainy videos of herself walking around naked. I kind of see where you are going, but I think Cruz is far more right than wrong. His wrongs are awe inspiring, of course. Mace feels like 98% loose cannon, and 2% accidentally got it right because she read the cards from her staffers in the correct order.
Posted by: Piper at June 13, 2025 03:34 PM (pZEOD)
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Instapundit recently reminded us that the Staff Secretary is potentially important piece of the autopen (and so many other!) Brandon scandals that ought be looked into.
https://instapundit.com/725152/
Guess who is interviewing Walz in that clip...
https://instapundit.com/725152/
Guess who is interviewing Walz in that clip...
Posted by: geewhiz at June 13, 2025 03:35 PM (V87Oy)
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>>>But I don't think that's my position. My position is that we cannot solve the domestic problems at home while so much of domestic policy is driven by foreign affairs. I think, fundamentally, that you cannot have both a global empire and a self-governing republic.
You are not arguing for American restraining itself, you are arguing for America restraining Israel.
Weird how you continue conflating Israel with America. Which is what you guys say WE do.
You are not arguing for American restraining itself, you are arguing for America restraining Israel.
Weird how you continue conflating Israel with America. Which is what you guys say WE do.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:35 PM (KRtlO)
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96 It's up to the people of Iran to depose the Iranian Regime. Remember that Iran has a population of 88 million; Israel has a population of 9.4 million. Israel is not going to invade Iran and overthrow their government.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (uWKK
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Well, there you go.
Israel can't be serious about actually taking out the mullahs. It cannot be their mission. They probably couldn't manage it.
Weaken Iran and hope the US negotiates something advantageous.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (uWKK
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Well, there you go.
Israel can't be serious about actually taking out the mullahs. It cannot be their mission. They probably couldn't manage it.
Weaken Iran and hope the US negotiates something advantageous.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:35 PM (GBKbO)
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That is your position. Fucking own it, scumbag.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (KRtlO)
100%. Sick of the Hamas simps pretending otherwise.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (KRtlO)
100%. Sick of the Hamas simps pretending otherwise.
Posted by: mea culpa at June 13, 2025 03:35 PM (TOGmQ)
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No Burger Kings Day is gonna be LIT, yo! I'm hoping it crashes and burns into a rancid orgy of left-on-left violence, with all the various factions fighting for prominence and spewing monkeypox on each other.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 03:35 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2025 03:35 PM (VE6XX)
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it is forever if we are giving them the bombs and aircraft forever.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:31 PM (PcQFu)
Try “they are buying the bombs and aircraft.”
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:31 PM (PcQFu)
Try “they are buying the bombs and aircraft.”
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 13, 2025 03:35 PM (vm8sq)
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Given the lack of response capability, the real question is whether the Iranian regime capitulates or is eventually replaced. Their rule has shown some cracks over the last decade plus.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at June 13, 2025 03:30 PM (okun6)
Probably the most guaranteed kiss of death for a dictatorial regime is if they fail to respond effectively to an external military challenge. That's the only thing they're supposed to be really good at, after all.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at June 13, 2025 03:30 PM (okun6)
Probably the most guaranteed kiss of death for a dictatorial regime is if they fail to respond effectively to an external military challenge. That's the only thing they're supposed to be really good at, after all.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 13, 2025 03:36 PM (uWKK8)
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113 No Burger Kings Day is gonna be LIT, yo! I'm hoping it crashes and burns into a rancid orgy of left-on-left violence, with all the various factions fighting for prominence and spewing monkeypox on each other.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 03:35 PM (iFTx/)
I wonder if there will be any counter protesters ?
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 03:35 PM (iFTx/)
I wonder if there will be any counter protesters ?
Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2025 03:36 PM (VE6XX)
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some guy posted a picture of Mace's rack when she was promising (dishonestly) to post naked video of herself.
He said something like, "now tell me you don't want to see them beefers."
Meaning boobs.
Has anyone else ever heard this? It's been stuck in my head ever since. I looked it up on Urban Dictionary but no one there has ever called boobs "beefers."
He said something like, "now tell me you don't want to see them beefers."
Meaning boobs.
Has anyone else ever heard this? It's been stuck in my head ever since. I looked it up on Urban Dictionary but no one there has ever called boobs "beefers."
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:36 PM (KRtlO)
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It's up to the people of Iran to depose the Iranian Regime. Remember that Iran has a population of 88 million; Israel has a population of 9.4 million. Israel is not going to invade Iran and overthrow their government.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (uWKK
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Hold that thought. Iran's infrastructure is falling apart. Additionally, they are currently sitting at nearly 40% inflation. It's expected to hit more that 50% in the next two years. The Mullahs keep printing money with, absolutely, no effort put into stemming its rise. That is not viable. As costs increase, and hunger starts taking hold, the next Iranian Revolution is pretty much assured. I think Israel pounding the hell out of their military speeds up the process a little because paying to replace what is lost is only going to speed up the domestic chaos.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (uWKK
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Hold that thought. Iran's infrastructure is falling apart. Additionally, they are currently sitting at nearly 40% inflation. It's expected to hit more that 50% in the next two years. The Mullahs keep printing money with, absolutely, no effort put into stemming its rise. That is not viable. As costs increase, and hunger starts taking hold, the next Iranian Revolution is pretty much assured. I think Israel pounding the hell out of their military speeds up the process a little because paying to replace what is lost is only going to speed up the domestic chaos.
Posted by: Orson at June 13, 2025 03:37 PM (dIske)
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What sort of bargaining position do they have? They cannot directly attack Israel, we wouldn't allow that. I suppose they could get Iran to play nice temporarily and hope to convince Israel to buy the BS again but unless Trump tells them to know it off I don't think that would work.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 03:29 PM (ExV1e)
I was being a little tongue in cheek there, the Chinese don't want to touch it.
Obviously they'd rather the chants be "Death to America" than "Death to China!"
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 03:29 PM (ExV1e)
I was being a little tongue in cheek there, the Chinese don't want to touch it.
Obviously they'd rather the chants be "Death to America" than "Death to China!"
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:37 PM (uCjyK)
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You are not arguing for American restraining itself, you are arguing for America restraining Israel.
Weird how you continue conflating Israel with America. Which is what you guys say WE do.
without American aid theres no Israel so
Weird how you continue conflating Israel with America. Which is what you guys say WE do.
without American aid theres no Israel so
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:37 PM (PcQFu)
Posted by: Sam Adams at June 13, 2025 03:37 PM (X+xvk)
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118 some guy posted a picture of Mace's rack when she was promising (dishonestly) to post naked video of herself.
He said something like, "now tell me you don't want to see them beefers."
Meaning boobs.
Has anyone else ever heard this? It's been stuck in my head ever since. I looked it up on Urban Dictionary but no one there has ever called boobs "beefers."
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:36 PM (KRtlO)
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Should have community noted the bastard.
"Beefers is not an accepted slang term for women's breasts."
He said something like, "now tell me you don't want to see them beefers."
Meaning boobs.
Has anyone else ever heard this? It's been stuck in my head ever since. I looked it up on Urban Dictionary but no one there has ever called boobs "beefers."
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:36 PM (KRtlO)
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Should have community noted the bastard.
"Beefers is not an accepted slang term for women's breasts."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:37 PM (GBKbO)
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>Agree in part, but not with the last part. Israel intends to end the Iranian regime, period. There is nothing Iran can do to incite them further. And there is nothing they can do to call Israel off. They end now.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:22 PM (KRtlO)
I don't have the same faith that you do that regime-change-via-bombing is a viable strategy. Smacks of Dubya thinking.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:22 PM (KRtlO)
I don't have the same faith that you do that regime-change-via-bombing is a viable strategy. Smacks of Dubya thinking.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at June 13, 2025 03:37 PM (RP4Sp)
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Armchair Hitlers are having the sadz today.
Don't worry guys! Iran is flying its RED FLAG OF REVENGE!!!
Don't worry guys! Iran is flying its RED FLAG OF REVENGE!!!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 03:37 PM (ULPxl)
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:38 PM (PcQFu)
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The Little Red Book Club looks as all non-Chinese as lesser. In other words, they'd never bother trying to police the world other than under conquest and subrogation. Conscripts, market tampering, brutal application of military resources. They have no empathy for those other than themselves. They have no interest in fairness.
I'm sure they would willingly step into the role of singular superpower, and the rest of the world would pay the price. A high price.
America does what it does because of a sense that it should stand for right, not only because it's right, but because it's best for everyone, including America.
China does what it does because it thinks it should rule the world.
Equating the two by calling them both an empire is facile idiocy.
I'm sure they would willingly step into the role of singular superpower, and the rest of the world would pay the price. A high price.
America does what it does because of a sense that it should stand for right, not only because it's right, but because it's best for everyone, including America.
China does what it does because it thinks it should rule the world.
Equating the two by calling them both an empire is facile idiocy.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2025 03:38 PM (s8j++)
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I'm not clear what Israel was otherwise supposed to do. Can someone explain what Israel's course of action should have been given a nuclearized Iran that completely ignored outreaches to peace and nuclear disarmament?
Posted by: Ordinary American at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (x2CMu)
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Fox News, Breaking
U. S. assisting Israel to shoot down missles, Jennifer Griffin at the Pentagon
U. S. assisting Israel to shoot down missles, Jennifer Griffin at the Pentagon
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (NFX2v)
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Has anyone else ever heard this? It's been stuck in my head ever since. I looked it up on Urban Dictionary but no one there has ever called boobs "beefers."
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:36 PM (KRtlO)
No. Usually referring to meat means a man's junk. Women aren't really referred to as beef unless you're discussing the whole cow, or large portions of it.
A side of beef, a heiffer, things of that nature would be a woman. But her tits? Naw. Not beefers.
Hooters, highbeams, puppydog noses, tits, hangers, headlights, boobs, bazoombas, jugs, funbags.........not beefers.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:36 PM (KRtlO)
No. Usually referring to meat means a man's junk. Women aren't really referred to as beef unless you're discussing the whole cow, or large portions of it.
A side of beef, a heiffer, things of that nature would be a woman. But her tits? Naw. Not beefers.
Hooters, highbeams, puppydog noses, tits, hangers, headlights, boobs, bazoombas, jugs, funbags.........not beefers.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (Zz0t1)
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At this point I think Israel can stand on its own and does not need billions of dollars poured into it every year from our coffers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (e7kz6)
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some guy posted a picture of Mace's rack when she was promising (dishonestly) to post naked video of herself.
He said something like, "now tell me you don't want to see them beefers."
Meaning boobs.
Has anyone else ever heard this? It's been stuck in my head ever since. I looked it up on Urban Dictionary but no one there has ever called boobs "beefers."
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:36 PM (KRtlO)
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That dude might be a fag. "Beefers" sounds unappetizing, and something that would better describe a man's junk. I think this guy was just making up nonsense words. I do it all the time, including in these comments.
He said something like, "now tell me you don't want to see them beefers."
Meaning boobs.
Has anyone else ever heard this? It's been stuck in my head ever since. I looked it up on Urban Dictionary but no one there has ever called boobs "beefers."
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:36 PM (KRtlO)
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That dude might be a fag. "Beefers" sounds unappetizing, and something that would better describe a man's junk. I think this guy was just making up nonsense words. I do it all the time, including in these comments.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (iFTx/)
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105 Fuck Walz, fuck Pritzker, and fuck Obama Biden for giving the Iranians billions of dollars for nuclear development, terrorism, and ordnance.
Posted by: These cocksuckers are vile at June 13, 2025 03:34 PM (F5hC5)
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Yes, Ayers, Jarrett, Rice, Powers and (the bitch that set up the Ukraine debacle?) provided for the Iranians rather nicely. Dumbasses.
Posted by: These cocksuckers are vile at June 13, 2025 03:34 PM (F5hC5)
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Yes, Ayers, Jarrett, Rice, Powers and (the bitch that set up the Ukraine debacle?) provided for the Iranians rather nicely. Dumbasses.
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (PMtkd)
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Two pirate ships flying the Jolly Roger
Posted by: Beto Ochoa at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (dzZCL)
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Weaken Iran and hope the US negotiates something advantageous.
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As an instructor told me at A School... "Hope is not a plan."
This is all gamed out. Hope has nothing to do with it. Using "hope" as a plan results in ineffectively lobbing missiles and hope they hit something.
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As an instructor told me at A School... "Hope is not a plan."
This is all gamed out. Hope has nothing to do with it. Using "hope" as a plan results in ineffectively lobbing missiles and hope they hit something.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (Z3lXG)
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Agreed. 100%
Posted by: Troofer at June 13, 2025 03:34 PM (kQBSd)
This is your sign HP, to rethink a few things. Luckily, you are super smart, or you would not have the job you do. I have faith here.
Posted by: Troofer at June 13, 2025 03:34 PM (kQBSd)
This is your sign HP, to rethink a few things. Luckily, you are super smart, or you would not have the job you do. I have faith here.
Posted by: Piper at June 13, 2025 03:40 PM (pZEOD)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 13, 2025 03:40 PM (QnmlO)
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70 If citizens were going to revolt against the Iranian regime, they would have done it by now.
It isn't like the Regime decided to deport a bunch of peopl
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 03:29 PM (Z3lXG)
The Green Revolution. It failed. The crackdown killed a shit ton of the revolutionary types.
They were doing hangings 6 or 8 at a time from forklifts. Spraying AK fire into crowds from motorcycles. It was pretty horrible to see even just on shitty sattelite phone cameras.
It isn't like the Regime decided to deport a bunch of peopl
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 03:29 PM (Z3lXG)
The Green Revolution. It failed. The crackdown killed a shit ton of the revolutionary types.
They were doing hangings 6 or 8 at a time from forklifts. Spraying AK fire into crowds from motorcycles. It was pretty horrible to see even just on shitty sattelite phone cameras.
Posted by: Reforger at June 13, 2025 03:40 PM (6k8Dh)
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At this point I think Israel can stand on its own and does not need billions of dollars poured into it every year from our coffers.
they have not finished gaza, so guessing they are not going to forswear our aid now
they have not finished gaza, so guessing they are not going to forswear our aid now
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:40 PM (PcQFu)
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At this point I think Israel can stand on its own and does not need billions of dollars poured into it every year from our coffers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM
Give it a few more months.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM
Give it a few more months.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 03:40 PM (jc0TO)
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Iran is flying its RED FLAG OF REVENGE!!!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 03:37 PM (ULPxl)
I learnt from Paul Cadmus that a red tie signals availability for a quick tryst in the park bushes.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 03:37 PM (ULPxl)
I learnt from Paul Cadmus that a red tie signals availability for a quick tryst in the park bushes.
Posted by: gKWVE at June 13, 2025 03:40 PM (gKWVE)
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Try “they are buying the bombs and aircraft.”
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Selling bombs and aircraft to the good guys is a virtue. Of course the usual suspects really cannot decipher who the good guy is ! They just can't !
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Selling bombs and aircraft to the good guys is a virtue. Of course the usual suspects really cannot decipher who the good guy is ! They just can't !
Posted by: runner at June 13, 2025 03:40 PM (g47mK)
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This is Israel. Israel is a small country. This is Iran. Iran is a much larger country. So it isn't right that [checks notes] Israel has attacked [checks notes again] Iran, a much larger country. [Vacuous smile.]
Posted by: Day Drunk Harris at June 13, 2025 03:40 PM (qUkBO)
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without American aid theres no Israel so
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:37 PM (PcQFu)
Yeah, because Israel will just shut up, roll over and die. Whatever.
without American aid theres no Israel so
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:37 PM (PcQFu)
Yeah, because Israel will just shut up, roll over and die. Whatever.
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 13, 2025 03:41 PM (vm8sq)
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135 As an instructor told me at A School... "Hope is not a plan."
This is all gamed out. Hope has nothing to do with it. Using "hope" as a plan results in ineffectively lobbing missiles and hope they hit something.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (Z3lXG)
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I don't know what else one can do regarding the mullahs' negotiations other than hope that a bloody nose gets them to negotiate in good faith.
This is all gamed out. Hope has nothing to do with it. Using "hope" as a plan results in ineffectively lobbing missiles and hope they hit something.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (Z3lXG)
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I don't know what else one can do regarding the mullahs' negotiations other than hope that a bloody nose gets them to negotiate in good faith.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:41 PM (GBKbO)
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A New York Times reporter does the usual:
A friend in Tehran sent me this video, apartment complex housing university professors attacked directly across the street from her house. The randomness of strikes in residential neighborhoods have terrified Iranians.
Gee, I wonder what these "university professors" were working on?
A friend in Tehran sent me this video, apartment complex housing university professors attacked directly across the street from her house. The randomness of strikes in residential neighborhoods have terrified Iranians.
Gee, I wonder what these "university professors" were working on?
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 13, 2025 03:41 PM (xTIDn)
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That dude might be a fag. "Beefers" sounds unappetizing,...
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (iFTx/)
I've seen some pimpled barfers...
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (iFTx/)
I've seen some pimpled barfers...
Posted by: Beto Ochoa at June 13, 2025 03:41 PM (dzZCL)
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I'm sorry they are not dumbasses, they are evil.
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 13, 2025 03:41 PM (PMtkd)
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Hooters, highbeams, puppydog noses, tits, hangers, headlights, boobs, bazoombas, jugs, funbags.........not beefers.
*cough*
*cough*
Posted by: Major League Yabbos at June 13, 2025 03:41 PM (s8j++)
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Beefers were a nickname for udders in olden farming times.
Beefers were a nickname for udders in olden farming times.
Posted by: Auspex at June 13, 2025 03:41 PM (j4U/Z)
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I mean, they can't even overthrow Hamas in Gaza with the benefit of being literally next door and deploying ground troops.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at June 13, 2025 03:42 PM (RP4Sp)
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It's a pretty ballsy move to pretend that the history of Israel begins in 1948, so that you can accuse them of being colonialists, but that Israel can't claim the history of this current war started on 10/07/23 when they were attacked, unprovoked, during peacetime by Hamas, and then Hezbollah and the Houthis later on.
All of those terrorist groups are backed by Iran - which then went on to launch missiles and drones at Israel.
This is all the same war that was started by Iran and her proxies well over a year ago.
Israel just gave Iran a breather after the last year.
This has been planned since that attack.
All of those terrorist groups are backed by Iran - which then went on to launch missiles and drones at Israel.
This is all the same war that was started by Iran and her proxies well over a year ago.
Israel just gave Iran a breather after the last year.
This has been planned since that attack.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 13, 2025 03:42 PM (6ydKt)
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WATCH: Rep. Nancy Mace just OBLITERATED Tim Walz in a lightning round beatdown during the sanctuary state hearing.
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lmao
[Mace on Tianjin Tim's Lies Vis-A-Vis Kommie-la & Their "Campaign" -- with hilarious expressions and a tone of disbelief:]
"What kind of operation were you guys running over there?"
Mace: "What is a woman?"
Tianjin Tim: "I don't understand the question."
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lmao
[Mace on Tianjin Tim's Lies Vis-A-Vis Kommie-la & Their "Campaign" -- with hilarious expressions and a tone of disbelief:]
"What kind of operation were you guys running over there?"
Mace: "What is a woman?"
Tianjin Tim: "I don't understand the question."
Posted by: ShainS -- Looking forward to The Graveyard Dead summer tour at June 13, 2025 03:42 PM (bH6aI)
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So the U.S. is assisting Israel with shooting down missiles from Iran.
Candace Owens is not going to be happy.
Candace Owens is not going to be happy.
Posted by: redridinghood at June 13, 2025 03:42 PM (NpAcC)
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At this point I think Israel can stand on its own and does not need billions of dollars poured into it every year from our coffers.
1% of our population. The only Republic (democracy) that's not musselmen in the middle-east.
I think they're worth supporting, even as a surrogate.
1% of our population. The only Republic (democracy) that's not musselmen in the middle-east.
I think they're worth supporting, even as a surrogate.
Posted by: MkY at June 13, 2025 03:42 PM (cPGH3)
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without American aid theres no Israel so
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:37 PM (PcQFu)
Yeah, because Israel will just shut up, roll over and die. Whatever.
Posted by: Cow
I am for supporting Israel, however, we should have an understanding of how things are, should Israel, you, its supporters want to go it alone do so
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:37 PM (PcQFu)
Yeah, because Israel will just shut up, roll over and die. Whatever.
Posted by: Cow
I am for supporting Israel, however, we should have an understanding of how things are, should Israel, you, its supporters want to go it alone do so
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:42 PM (PcQFu)
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I can see people being confused about Russia/Ukraine - both are brotherly people, and the conflict looks like civil war, but fucking mullahs vs the state of Israel ? And they can't tell the protagonist here ? must be something these clowns internalized, absorbed with mother's milk and father's drunken slurs.
Posted by: runner at June 13, 2025 03:42 PM (g47mK)
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Beefers were a nickname for udders in olden farming times.
Posted by: Auspex at June 13, 2025 03:41 PM
I thought that was firkins.
Posted by: Auspex at June 13, 2025 03:41 PM
I thought that was firkins.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 03:42 PM (jc0TO)
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***But not if Israel plays into the mullahs' bloody hands and incenses the population against Israel.
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I think Netanyahu made a broadcast to Iranians yesterday that Israel has no enmity against the people. That this is directed toward the mullah/Khamenei prophet regime.
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I think Netanyahu made a broadcast to Iranians yesterday that Israel has no enmity against the people. That this is directed toward the mullah/Khamenei prophet regime.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 13, 2025 03:42 PM (IU1e3)
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A New York Times reporter does the usual:
A friend in Tehran sent me this video, apartment complex housing university professors attacked directly across the street from her house. The randomness of strikes in residential neighborhoods have terrified Iranians.
Gee, I wonder what these "university professors" were working on?
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 13, 2025 03:41 PM (xTIDn)
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Cures for cancer. Duh.
A friend in Tehran sent me this video, apartment complex housing university professors attacked directly across the street from her house. The randomness of strikes in residential neighborhoods have terrified Iranians.
Gee, I wonder what these "university professors" were working on?
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 13, 2025 03:41 PM (xTIDn)
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Cures for cancer. Duh.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 03:42 PM (iFTx/)
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Israel should be able to do whatever it needs to do to defend itself, but I'd also rather we zero out our tax dollars going to them as aid. We have our own issues and they're a first world country. Selling them military hardware at an allies' discount is fine.
Posted by: brak at June 13, 2025 03:43 PM (jGJov)
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No Burger Kings Day is gonna be LIT, yo! I'm hoping it crashes and burns into a rancid orgy of left-on-left violence, with all the various factions fighting for prominence and spewing monkeypox on each other.
The LA protests were already hijacked by We Was Kangz looting all the stores (except the ones with smoke alarm batteries). I think it's inevitable that something even more stupid happens tomorrow.
The LA protests were already hijacked by We Was Kangz looting all the stores (except the ones with smoke alarm batteries). I think it's inevitable that something even more stupid happens tomorrow.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2025 03:43 PM (2ocoG)
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I learnt from Paul Cadmus that a red tie signals availability for a quick tryst in the park bushes.
Posted by: gKWVE at June 13, 2025 03:40 PM (gKWVE)
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That explains my horrid experience visiting Central Park.
I learnt from Paul Cadmus that a red tie signals availability for a quick tryst in the park bushes.
Posted by: gKWVE at June 13, 2025 03:40 PM (gKWVE)
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That explains my horrid experience visiting Central Park.
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 13, 2025 03:43 PM (PMtkd)
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4th of July came early.
Posted by: wth at June 13, 2025 03:43 PM (UjdFS)
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You are not arguing for American restraining itself, you are arguing for America restraining Israel.
Weird how you continue conflating Israel with America. Which is what you guys say WE do.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:35 PM (KRtlO)
I don't believe that Israel is acting independently here, just like I don't believe that Ukraine is acting independently in Russia.
I think in both situations our Deep State and intel agencies are up to their eyeballs in these wars.
As they have been in most wars around the globe going back to the early days of the Cold War.
I'm not saying we should ask Israel to restrain themselves. I'm saying we should stay out of it. If Russia wants to sell weapons to either or both sides in any war, let them deal with the fall out.
Where is it written in stone that the US and our weasely European sometimes allies have to put our noses in every situation around the globe?
And yes, I know the counterarguments, they've be around forever -- we need to stop the spread of communism / islam / whatever, and we need to keep the flow of oil / gold / bat guano flowing.
I'm saying well... maybe we don't have to do that.
Weird how you continue conflating Israel with America. Which is what you guys say WE do.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:35 PM (KRtlO)
I don't believe that Israel is acting independently here, just like I don't believe that Ukraine is acting independently in Russia.
I think in both situations our Deep State and intel agencies are up to their eyeballs in these wars.
As they have been in most wars around the globe going back to the early days of the Cold War.
I'm not saying we should ask Israel to restrain themselves. I'm saying we should stay out of it. If Russia wants to sell weapons to either or both sides in any war, let them deal with the fall out.
Where is it written in stone that the US and our weasely European sometimes allies have to put our noses in every situation around the globe?
And yes, I know the counterarguments, they've be around forever -- we need to stop the spread of communism / islam / whatever, and we need to keep the flow of oil / gold / bat guano flowing.
I'm saying well... maybe we don't have to do that.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:43 PM (uCjyK)
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Has anyone else ever heard this? It's been stuck in my head ever since. I looked it up on Urban Dictionary but no one there has ever called boobs "beefers."
Posted by: ace
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I saw/read that also. Thought someone linked it here in the comments?
Posted by: ace
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I saw/read that also. Thought someone linked it here in the comments?
Posted by: scampydog at June 13, 2025 03:43 PM (2bFN5)
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China is the new Russia for the left. Seriously.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 03:30 PM (iFTx/)
As long as Xi allows them to bugger Chinese orphans and promises to kill them last, they love Chynah long time.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 03:30 PM (iFTx/)
As long as Xi allows them to bugger Chinese orphans and promises to kill them last, they love Chynah long time.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 03:43 PM (ExV1e)
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Tim Walz is free to move to China if he loves it so much.
Posted by: steevy at June 13, 2025 03:43 PM (YwEeS)
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160 Cures for cancer. Duh.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 03:42 PM (iFTx/)
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Just days away!
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 03:42 PM (iFTx/)
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Just days away!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:43 PM (GBKbO)
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Today I am wearing my red underwear of revenge!
Posted by: Mohammad Abdul Mohammad at June 13, 2025 03:44 PM (qUkBO)
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33 ... Israel intends to end the Iranian regime, period. There is nothing Iran can do to incite them further. And there is nothing they can do to call Israel off. They end now.
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:22 PM (KRtlO)
Wow. That would really be awesome. Like the falling of the Berlin Wall, which I was sure I was never going to see happen. "Interesting times", indeed!
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:22 PM (KRtlO)
Wow. That would really be awesome. Like the falling of the Berlin Wall, which I was sure I was never going to see happen. "Interesting times", indeed!
Posted by: MrExcitement at June 13, 2025 03:44 PM (hOOi9)
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The Little Red Book Club looks as all non-Chinese as lesser. In other words, they'd never bother trying to police the world other than under conquest and subrogation. Conscripts, market tampering, brutal application of military resources. They have no empathy for those other than themselves. They have no interest in fairness.
Right, China views its self as the "middle kingdom" still, halfway between heaven and earth. They consider all other peoples to be inferior.
Right, China views its self as the "middle kingdom" still, halfway between heaven and earth. They consider all other peoples to be inferior.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:44 PM (e7kz6)
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Tim Walz signs order forcing all stores that sell ammo to also stock feminine hygiene products. He stated "Many times when I'm stopping for shotgun shells ahead of a hunt I wish I could buy the products my shotgun craves at the same time."
Posted by: Loaded for bear at June 13, 2025 03:44 PM (X7Ha8)
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the US's foreign policy, and in fact, there are many, many drawbacks to it. Not the least of which is trillions of dollars in debt.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (uCjyK)
Our foreign policy in this case was arbitrating peace talks after Iran launched ballistic missiles at Israel.
That's not interventionist nor an "entanglement" it's simple diplomacy.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (uCjyK)
Our foreign policy in this case was arbitrating peace talks after Iran launched ballistic missiles at Israel.
That's not interventionist nor an "entanglement" it's simple diplomacy.
Posted by: Sjg at June 13, 2025 03:44 PM (aqZN1)
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A friend in Tehran sent me this video, apartment complex housing university professors attacked directly across the street from her house. The randomness of strikes in residential neighborhoods have terrified Iranians.
Seen on X: "I've gotten calls from people in Tehran who want everyone to know 99.9% of the city has not been bombed by Israel".
Tater hardest hit.
Seen on X: "I've gotten calls from people in Tehran who want everyone to know 99.9% of the city has not been bombed by Israel".
Tater hardest hit.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2025 03:44 PM (2ocoG)
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128 I'm not clear what Israel was otherwise supposed to do. Can someone explain what Israel's course of action should have been given a nuclearized Iran that completely ignored outreaches to peace and nuclear disarmament?
Posted by: Ordinary American at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (x2CMu)
Shut up and take it was the proposed course of action.
Posted by: Ordinary American at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (x2CMu)
Shut up and take it was the proposed course of action.
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 13, 2025 03:44 PM (vm8sq)
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China is the new Russia for the left. Seriously.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 03:30 PM (iFTx/)
As long as Xi allows them to bugger Chinese orphans and promises to kill them last, they love Chynah long time.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 03:43 PM (ExV1e)
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Those fucking beefers ....
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 03:30 PM (iFTx/)
As long as Xi allows them to bugger Chinese orphans and promises to kill them last, they love Chynah long time.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 03:43 PM (ExV1e)
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Those fucking beefers ....
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 03:44 PM (iFTx/)
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Tim Walz is free to move to China if he loves it so much.
Posted by: steevy at June 13, 2025 03:43 PM (YwEeS)
Communist nations are GREAT places to honeymoon!
Posted by: steevy at June 13, 2025 03:43 PM (YwEeS)
Communist nations are GREAT places to honeymoon!
Posted by: Bernie Sanders at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (Zz0t1)
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If only the GOP Congress cared as much about fiscal responsibility and border security as they do about making Democrat governors reveal their idiocy.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 13, 2025 03:32 PM (c+P3c)
Fiscal responsibility and border security won't make my clip go viral. Harrumph to you, sirruh, and, again, harrumph. -- GOP
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 13, 2025 03:32 PM (c+P3c)
Fiscal responsibility and border security won't make my clip go viral. Harrumph to you, sirruh, and, again, harrumph. -- GOP
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (ExV1e)
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170 Today I am wearing my red underwear of revenge!
Posted by: Mohammad Abdul Mohammad at June 13, 2025 03:44 PM (qUkBO)
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Good, as long as you're comfortable dying in it.
Posted by: Mohammad Abdul Mohammad at June 13, 2025 03:44 PM (qUkBO)
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Good, as long as you're comfortable dying in it.
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (PMtkd)
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128 I'm not clear what Israel was otherwise supposed to do. Can someone explain what Israel's course of action should have been given a nuclearized Iran that completely ignored outreaches to peace and nuclear disarmament?
Posted by: Ordinary American at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (x2CMu)
Shut up and take it was the proposed course of action.
Posted by: Cow
is this going to fix everything or give Israel more enemies?
Posted by: Ordinary American at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (x2CMu)
Shut up and take it was the proposed course of action.
Posted by: Cow
is this going to fix everything or give Israel more enemies?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (PcQFu)
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>>> 172 The Little Red Book Club looks as all non-Chinese as lesser. In other words, they'd never bother trying to police the world other than under conquest and subrogation. Conscripts, market tampering, brutal application of military resources. They have no empathy for those other than themselves. They have no interest in fairness.
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Right, China views its self as the "middle kingdom" still, halfway between heaven and earth. They consider all other peoples to be inferior.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:44 PM (e7kz6)
Unpossible!
Only wypipo in Europe and especially the US can be rayciss!!!
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Right, China views its self as the "middle kingdom" still, halfway between heaven and earth. They consider all other peoples to be inferior.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:44 PM (e7kz6)
Unpossible!
Only wypipo in Europe and especially the US can be rayciss!!!
Posted by: leftists at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (ULPxl)
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If I'm not mistaken, there are a bunch of Arab countries who are also frightened of Iran getting nukes.
The usual suspects, though, think Israel is the bad guy, even though the actions of Israel will let various Arab regimes sleep better at night.
The usual suspects, though, think Israel is the bad guy, even though the actions of Israel will let various Arab regimes sleep better at night.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (tT6L1)
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If you think the Iranian Regime has support, ask yourself why Israel's covert operations inside Iran have been so successful. The Israeli's had an entire drone launching base set up inside Iran that they had been building up for months that launched part of this attack - of course some people in Iran knew about it.
Most incredible thing is that one of Iran's top Generals turned up in Jerusalem today. The IDF announced that he has actually been working for Israel for at least 2 or 3 years now, decided after this that he would be too exposed to risk staying there. Thanks to him, and others like him, Israel knows the Iranian chain of command and future plans inside and out.
Most incredible thing is that one of Iran's top Generals turned up in Jerusalem today. The IDF announced that he has actually been working for Israel for at least 2 or 3 years now, decided after this that he would be too exposed to risk staying there. Thanks to him, and others like him, Israel knows the Iranian chain of command and future plans inside and out.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 13, 2025 03:46 PM (uWKK8)
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>>>Beefers were a nickname for udders in olden farming times.
is that true or is it like "San Diego came from an old Spanish word meaning 'a whale's vagina'"?
is that true or is it like "San Diego came from an old Spanish word meaning 'a whale's vagina'"?
Posted by: ace at June 13, 2025 03:46 PM (KRtlO)
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>America does what it does because of a sense that it should stand for right, not only because it's right, but because it's best for everyone, including America.
You actually believe that happy horseshit Boomer slop?
You actually believe that happy horseshit Boomer slop?
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at June 13, 2025 03:46 PM (RP4Sp)
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The Little Red Book Club looks as all non-Chinese as lesser. In other words, they'd never bother trying to police the world other than under conquest and subrogation. Conscripts, market tampering, brutal application of military resources. They have no empathy for those other than themselves. They have no interest in fairness.
Right, China views its self as the "middle kingdom" still, halfway between heaven and earth. They consider all other peoples to be inferior.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:44 PM (e7kz6)
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Middle Earth >> Middle Kingdom
Right, China views its self as the "middle kingdom" still, halfway between heaven and earth. They consider all other peoples to be inferior.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:44 PM (e7kz6)
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Middle Earth >> Middle Kingdom
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 03:46 PM (iFTx/)
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I don't know what else one can do regarding the mullahs' negotiations other than hope that a bloody nose gets them to negotiate in good faith.
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If good faith were a factor on the Iranian side, none of this would be happening.
This is more than a bloody nose in some small skirmish. Israel doesn't have to engineer an overthrow or nation build. They just have to neutralize and marginalize Iran. No negotiations needed. And they're doing just fine.
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If good faith were a factor on the Iranian side, none of this would be happening.
This is more than a bloody nose in some small skirmish. Israel doesn't have to engineer an overthrow or nation build. They just have to neutralize and marginalize Iran. No negotiations needed. And they're doing just fine.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 03:46 PM (fFFrU)
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I'm not saying we should ask Israel to restrain themselves. I'm saying we should stay out of it.
Cool it with the antisemitic remarks
Cool it with the antisemitic remarks
Posted by: ADL at June 13, 2025 03:46 PM (2CvYV)
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Just stepping back for some perspective --- isn't it amazing that Tim Walz was the Democrat's VP candidate?
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at June 13, 2025 03:46 PM (PiwSw)
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If colleges weren't on summer break they would be a hot bed of protest now supporting Iran
Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2025 03:46 PM (+qU29)
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I do hope obama and that ratfaced shebitch valerie jarette are fuming
Posted by: banana Dream at June 13, 2025 03:47 PM (cduTK)
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>>>Iran doesn't seem to have much of a negotiating position.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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They know the position.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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They know the position.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 13, 2025 03:47 PM (IU1e3)
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For the US, expect every useful installation to get droned hard.
Posted by: a CCP-owned farm near you at June 13, 2025 03:32 PM (gKWVE)
Chynah won't pull that trigger until they're ready to go after Taiwan. Did anyone see the story about a second Chinese student/professor who "accidentally" smuggled in some of that "kill all the grain" shit.
Posted by: a CCP-owned farm near you at June 13, 2025 03:32 PM (gKWVE)
Chynah won't pull that trigger until they're ready to go after Taiwan. Did anyone see the story about a second Chinese student/professor who "accidentally" smuggled in some of that "kill all the grain" shit.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 03:47 PM (ExV1e)
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America does what it does because of a sense that it should stand for right, not only because it's right, but because it's best for everyone, including America.
yeah, now do covid, open borders
yeah, now do covid, open borders
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:47 PM (PcQFu)
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At this point I think Israel can stand on its own and does not need billions of dollars poured into it every year from our coffers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (e7kz6)
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Yes, we're all deeply concerned about the few billion dollars in armaments given each year to the one American ally that fights and wins wars on its own, rather than the immense free-riding of the many members of NATO, and other countries around the world, who are protected by the American military and react to this by spending less themselves.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (e7kz6)
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Yes, we're all deeply concerned about the few billion dollars in armaments given each year to the one American ally that fights and wins wars on its own, rather than the immense free-riding of the many members of NATO, and other countries around the world, who are protected by the American military and react to this by spending less themselves.
Posted by: Deep Deep Concern at June 13, 2025 03:47 PM (ccvr7)
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183 If I'm not mistaken, there are a bunch of Arab countries who are also frightened of Iran getting nukes.
The usual suspects, though, think Israel is the bad guy, even though the actions of Israel will let various Arab regimes sleep better at night.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (tT6L1)
Most of the Arab regimes will posture against Israel but it's just performative. In practice they're cooperative.
The usual suspects, though, think Israel is the bad guy, even though the actions of Israel will let various Arab regimes sleep better at night.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (tT6L1)
Most of the Arab regimes will posture against Israel but it's just performative. In practice they're cooperative.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at June 13, 2025 03:47 PM (okun6)
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As usual the media will report any Iranian claim of civilian casualties as fact instantly
Posted by: steevy at June 13, 2025 03:47 PM (YwEeS)
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>>> 181
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is this going to fix everything or give Israel more enemies?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (PcQFu)
You're going with "It's going to make them MAD"? Because most Muslims have been fine with JOOOS existing up until about what, 16 hours ago, right?
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is this going to fix everything or give Israel more enemies?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (PcQFu)
You're going with "It's going to make them MAD"? Because most Muslims have been fine with JOOOS existing up until about what, 16 hours ago, right?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 03:47 PM (ULPxl)
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Governor of Missouri has declared a state of emergency and activated the national guard ahead of tomorrow's festivities.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 13, 2025 03:48 PM (2UnvF)
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174 the US's foreign policy, and in fact, there are many, many drawbacks to it. Not the least of which is trillions of dollars in debt.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (uCjyK)
Our national debt will simply magically disappear if we just become the whiny, toothless nation Harry so badly wants. And if this means the PRC takes over the world, he says “So be it,”.
Seriously, do you isolationists work overtime to ignore history or are your efforts out of a deep, overwhelming embarrassment and shame at being American?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (uCjyK)
Our national debt will simply magically disappear if we just become the whiny, toothless nation Harry so badly wants. And if this means the PRC takes over the world, he says “So be it,”.
Seriously, do you isolationists work overtime to ignore history or are your efforts out of a deep, overwhelming embarrassment and shame at being American?
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 13, 2025 03:48 PM (vm8sq)
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188 If good faith were a factor on the Iranian side, none of this would be happening.
This is more than a bloody nose in some small skirmish. Israel doesn't have to engineer an overthrow or nation build. They just have to neutralize and marginalize Iran. No negotiations needed. And they're doing just fine.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 03:46 PM (fFFrU)
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Eh.
Since this was obviously done in conjunction with Trump's negotiating timeline with Iran, I think it's silly to assume that this is just Israel going total war and expecting total victory.
This is probably going to be something like a repeat of last year's exchanges where things steadily just die down and return to the same tepid normal.
This is more than a bloody nose in some small skirmish. Israel doesn't have to engineer an overthrow or nation build. They just have to neutralize and marginalize Iran. No negotiations needed. And they're doing just fine.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 03:46 PM (fFFrU)
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Eh.
Since this was obviously done in conjunction with Trump's negotiating timeline with Iran, I think it's silly to assume that this is just Israel going total war and expecting total victory.
This is probably going to be something like a repeat of last year's exchanges where things steadily just die down and return to the same tepid normal.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:48 PM (GBKbO)
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Israel should be able to do whatever it needs to do to defend itself, but I'd also rather we zero out our tax dollars going to them as aid. We have our own issues and they're a first world country. Selling them military hardware at an allies' discount is fine.
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let me put some knowledge into you. loans that are repaid. Loans that can only be used on US equipment. And so you and the like understand, Israel's GDP is 1/2 trillion. A lot of of it in military sales - their own home grown R&D, production, like defense, radar systems. Every time they have a sale of some tech company , it is in 20-30 billion range. The 4-6 billion in loans they get from US..is not all that.
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let me put some knowledge into you. loans that are repaid. Loans that can only be used on US equipment. And so you and the like understand, Israel's GDP is 1/2 trillion. A lot of of it in military sales - their own home grown R&D, production, like defense, radar systems. Every time they have a sale of some tech company , it is in 20-30 billion range. The 4-6 billion in loans they get from US..is not all that.
Posted by: runner at June 13, 2025 03:48 PM (g47mK)
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is this going to fix everything or give Israel more enemies?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (PcQFu)
you can never make an enemy love you.
But you can make an enemy too scared of you to risk fucking around with you. And after you kick enough ass, bystanders will most likely think it's best to stay on your good side.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (PcQFu)
you can never make an enemy love you.
But you can make an enemy too scared of you to risk fucking around with you. And after you kick enough ass, bystanders will most likely think it's best to stay on your good side.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 13, 2025 03:48 PM (uWKK8)
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197 183 If I'm not mistaken, there are a bunch of Arab countries who are also frightened of Iran getting nukes.
The usual suspects, though, think Israel is the bad guy, even though the actions of Israel will let various Arab regimes sleep better at night.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (tT6L1)
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Sunni vs. Shia, bruh.
The usual suspects, though, think Israel is the bad guy, even though the actions of Israel will let various Arab regimes sleep better at night.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (tT6L1)
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Sunni vs. Shia, bruh.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (GBKbO)
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160 A New York Times reporter does the usual:
A friend in Tehran sent me this video, apartment complex housing university professors attacked directly across the street from her house. The randomness of strikes in residential neighborhoods have terrified Iranians.
Gee, I wonder what these "university professors" were working on?
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 13, 2025 03:41 PM (xTIDn)
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Cures for cancer. Duh.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 03:42 PM (iFTx/)
Involving nuclear radiation therapy!
A friend in Tehran sent me this video, apartment complex housing university professors attacked directly across the street from her house. The randomness of strikes in residential neighborhoods have terrified Iranians.
Gee, I wonder what these "university professors" were working on?
Posted by: The ARC of History! at June 13, 2025 03:41 PM (xTIDn)
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Cures for cancer. Duh.
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 03:42 PM (iFTx/)
Involving nuclear radiation therapy!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (wtvvX)
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This is probably going to be something like a repeat of last year's exchanges where things steadily just die down and return to the same tepid normal.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:48 PM
As long as there are no centrifuges running.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:48 PM
As long as there are no centrifuges running.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (jc0TO)
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Walz: "Who is the voice in the world that can negotiate some type of agreement and hold the moral authority? It might be the Chinese.”
How many US politicians would grant the CCP a shred of moral authority? The Chinese? Really? The people who harvest hearts, kidneys, and corneas from Falun Gong practitioners to sell to medical tourists? The people who suppressed a pro-democracy protest with tanks?
Walz is evil.
How many US politicians would grant the CCP a shred of moral authority? The Chinese? Really? The people who harvest hearts, kidneys, and corneas from Falun Gong practitioners to sell to medical tourists? The people who suppressed a pro-democracy protest with tanks?
Walz is evil.
Posted by: Malcolm Kirkpatick at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (fgkXD)
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is this going to fix everything or give Israel more enemies?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (PcQFu)
You're going with "It's going to make them MAD"? Because most Muslims have been fine with JOOOS existing up until about what, 16 hours ago, right?
Posted by: He
had somebody bombed your house and or family , for whatever reason, would you not dedicate yourself to revenge?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (PcQFu)
You're going with "It's going to make them MAD"? Because most Muslims have been fine with JOOOS existing up until about what, 16 hours ago, right?
Posted by: He
had somebody bombed your house and or family , for whatever reason, would you not dedicate yourself to revenge?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (PcQFu)
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youre right, the thing is part of why we did not start ww3 with the sovs was we did not want to have our civs hit by sov bombs
So Israel should have sat back and waited for Iran to finish a nuke or ten because, otherwise, some civilians will get killed?
So Israel should have sat back and waited for Iran to finish a nuke or ten because, otherwise, some civilians will get killed?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (ExV1e)
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1% of our population.
Posted by: MkY at June 13, 2025 03:42 PM (cPGH3)
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10 million people, so about 3% of the population of the United States.
Posted by: MkY at June 13, 2025 03:42 PM (cPGH3)
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10 million people, so about 3% of the population of the United States.
Posted by: Math! at June 13, 2025 03:50 PM (ccvr7)
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America does what it does because of a sense that it should stand for right, not only because it's right, but because it's best for everyone, including America.
And too often this is even true.
Which is how Iraq got its showcase democracy, and how Iran got... whatever you call what Iran got.
Americans have good intentions, yes. And then it turns out that the rest of this planet isn't full of Americans. We can barely get Latinos to pretend to be American in L.A.
And too often this is even true.
Which is how Iraq got its showcase democracy, and how Iran got... whatever you call what Iran got.
Americans have good intentions, yes. And then it turns out that the rest of this planet isn't full of Americans. We can barely get Latinos to pretend to be American in L.A.
Posted by: gKWVE at June 13, 2025 03:50 PM (gKWVE)
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There is one thing that works in the ME - strength. The more you kick their ass, the more they respect you.
Posted by: runner at June 13, 2025 03:50 PM (g47mK)
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207 This is probably going to be something like a repeat of last year's exchanges where things steadily just die down and return to the same tepid normal.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:48 PM
As long as there are no centrifuges running.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (jc0TO)
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Sure.
And with Iran continuing to fund terrorist organizations like Hezbollah.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:48 PM
As long as there are no centrifuges running.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (jc0TO)
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Sure.
And with Iran continuing to fund terrorist organizations like Hezbollah.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:50 PM (GBKbO)
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Am I taking a bit of an extreme position? Maybe. But my point is that it is very unclear to me that the average Joe Sixpack benefits in any way from the US's foreign policy, and in fact, there are many, many drawbacks to it. Not the least of which is trillions of dollars in debt.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM
Everyone needs to remember that iran closed the persian gulf down in the 80s and started targeting all of the oil tankers transiting the hormuz straight back in the late 80s. They are capable of doing that again. We had to go in and escort reflagged kuwatii tankers just to get the oil out and we blew up a ton of their stuff doing it. If we had not done that oil prices would have skyrocketed and led to a severe recession.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM
Everyone needs to remember that iran closed the persian gulf down in the 80s and started targeting all of the oil tankers transiting the hormuz straight back in the late 80s. They are capable of doing that again. We had to go in and escort reflagged kuwatii tankers just to get the oil out and we blew up a ton of their stuff doing it. If we had not done that oil prices would have skyrocketed and led to a severe recession.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2025 03:50 PM (e5NfL)
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Mace can be great fun to watch when she's bludgeoning the right person. But I don't trust her in any position of great power.
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Mace the Enforcer.
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Mace the Enforcer.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 13, 2025 03:50 PM (L/fGl)
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I'm not clear what Israel was otherwise supposed to do. Can someone explain what Israel's course of action should have been given a nuclearized Iran that completely ignored outreaches to peace and nuclear disarmament?
Posted by: Ordinary American at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (x2CMu)
Tank a few cities being vaporized, just like the US is supposed to do.
Posted by: Ordinary American at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (x2CMu)
Tank a few cities being vaporized, just like the US is supposed to do.
Posted by: Methos at June 13, 2025 03:50 PM (Dnobf)
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youre right, the thing is part of why we did not start ww3 with the sovs was we did not want to have our civs hit by sov bombs
So Israel should have sat back and waited for Iran to finish a nuke or ten because, otherwise, some civilians will get killed?
it is that if you attack some guy that has nothing but weapons that are imprecise then you know what is going to happen
So Israel should have sat back and waited for Iran to finish a nuke or ten because, otherwise, some civilians will get killed?
it is that if you attack some guy that has nothing but weapons that are imprecise then you know what is going to happen
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:50 PM (PcQFu)
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Your point?
Posted by: Kamala Harris at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (PiwSw)
This post did not contain:
- cackles
- at least 50 unnecessary words
- a Venn diagram
I don't believe you're really Kamala Harris
Posted by: Kamala Harris at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM (PiwSw)
This post did not contain:
- cackles
- at least 50 unnecessary words
- a Venn diagram
I don't believe you're really Kamala Harris
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 03:51 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 13, 2025 03:51 PM (QnmlO)
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If good faith were a factor on the Iranian side, none of this would be happening.
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Trump gave them sixty days. He made all kinds of positive ovations. He told them how bad it would be. Everything he said was true.
He is a man of his word. A point being made to Iran and the rest of the world.
If good faith were a factor on the Iranian side, none of this would be happening.
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Trump gave them sixty days. He made all kinds of positive ovations. He told them how bad it would be. Everything he said was true.
He is a man of his word. A point being made to Iran and the rest of the world.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 13, 2025 03:51 PM (IU1e3)
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High school dropout Mace just beat down the most manly man that the donks can put forth. That was a blood bath.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 13, 2025 03:26 PM
Point of order. Mace graduated from The Citadel. Kinda well-known for it.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 13, 2025 03:26 PM
Point of order. Mace graduated from The Citadel. Kinda well-known for it.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 13, 2025 03:51 PM (Wnv9h)
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I think there is a decent chance that Iran will see their government collapse by the end of Summer. This time the revolt will have support.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:51 PM (e7kz6)
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I can't tell what's more amusing? The MIGA clowns twisting themselves into knots to defend the US involvement in this, or the henpecked cowards who know better and are afraid to disagree.
So much for no new wars.
So much for no new wars.
Posted by: MIGA at June 13, 2025 03:51 PM (jj6/A)
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unusual_whales @unusual_whales 1h
BREAKING: Reported Iranian missile intercepts by Israel, alongside a ballistic missile impact earlier in Downtown Tel-Aviv, per Kim Hovik.
https://tinyurl.com/bdz994hy
12 seconds; no sound; I think includes the apartment building strike.
BREAKING: Reported Iranian missile intercepts by Israel, alongside a ballistic missile impact earlier in Downtown Tel-Aviv, per Kim Hovik.
https://tinyurl.com/bdz994hy
12 seconds; no sound; I think includes the apartment building strike.
Posted by: andycanuck at June 13, 2025 03:51 PM (2yoRf)
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161 Israel should be able to do whatever it needs to do to defend itself, but I'd also rather we zero out our tax dollars going to them as aid. We have our own issues and they're a first world country. Selling them military hardware at an allies' discount is fine.
Posted by: brak at June 13, 2025 03:43 PM (jGJov)
Besides, if we eliminate the State Department, refuse to spend single penny overseas, and simply not have a military, the national debt will simply vanish!
Right?
Posted by: brak at June 13, 2025 03:43 PM (jGJov)
Besides, if we eliminate the State Department, refuse to spend single penny overseas, and simply not have a military, the national debt will simply vanish!
Right?
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 13, 2025 03:52 PM (vm8sq)
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is this going to fix everything or give Israel more enemies?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (PcQFu)
You're going with "It's going to make them MAD"? Because most Muslims have been fine with JOOOS existing up until about what, 16 hours ago, right?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 03:47 PM (ULPxl)
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Muslims are ALWAYS mad. They are not "happy people."
Come on, if goats and children were your outlet, you're a sick unhappy lot.
is this going to fix everything or give Israel more enemies?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (PcQFu)
You're going with "It's going to make them MAD"? Because most Muslims have been fine with JOOOS existing up until about what, 16 hours ago, right?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 03:47 PM (ULPxl)
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Muslims are ALWAYS mad. They are not "happy people."
Come on, if goats and children were your outlet, you're a sick unhappy lot.
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 13, 2025 03:52 PM (PMtkd)
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"Is there anything that the Democrats can do /say that would cause lefty Jews to abandon it?"
LOL. Have you ever talked to them about this? They will look you square in the eyes and say "We are a stubborn people".
LOL. Have you ever talked to them about this? They will look you square in the eyes and say "We are a stubborn people".
Posted by: Case at June 13, 2025 03:52 PM (k7qYZ)
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This post did not contain:
- cackles
- at least 50 unnecessary words
- a Venn diagram
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- the sodden aroma of cheap wine
This post did not contain:
- cackles
- at least 50 unnecessary words
- a Venn diagram
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- the sodden aroma of cheap wine
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at June 13, 2025 03:52 PM (QnmlO)
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Right, China views its self as the "middle kingdom" still, halfway between heaven and earth. They consider all other peoples to be inferior.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:44 PM (e7kz6)
The Communist Party of China checks all the boxes, and rules like, a fascist entity.
State control of the commanding heights of the economy - check.
Totalitarian bureaucratic government and a communications control system - check.
Strong military & police state - check.
Believe in a superiority of the people and culture - check.
Ultra-nationalism, racism and discrimination/persecution of minorities - check.
They are the obvious fascists of the 21st Century and our Fascist Hunters in the West can't see it to save their lives because they call themselves "Communists".
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:44 PM (e7kz6)
The Communist Party of China checks all the boxes, and rules like, a fascist entity.
State control of the commanding heights of the economy - check.
Totalitarian bureaucratic government and a communications control system - check.
Strong military & police state - check.
Believe in a superiority of the people and culture - check.
Ultra-nationalism, racism and discrimination/persecution of minorities - check.
They are the obvious fascists of the 21st Century and our Fascist Hunters in the West can't see it to save their lives because they call themselves "Communists".
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 13, 2025 03:52 PM (6ydKt)
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#225 Grok @grok 1h
The Iron Dome is designed to intercept short-range rockets (4-70 km), not long-range ballistic missiles like those likely used in the June 13, 2025, attack on Tel-Aviv. Ballistic missiles are handled by systems like David's Sling or Arrow. Reasons some missiles got through may include:
1. The missile's range exceeded Iron Dome's capabilities.
2. The attack's scale overwhelmed defenses.
3. Potential gaps in David's Sling or Arrow systems.
No defense is 100% effective, especially against large or advanced missile barrages.
The Iron Dome is designed to intercept short-range rockets (4-70 km), not long-range ballistic missiles like those likely used in the June 13, 2025, attack on Tel-Aviv. Ballistic missiles are handled by systems like David's Sling or Arrow. Reasons some missiles got through may include:
1. The missile's range exceeded Iron Dome's capabilities.
2. The attack's scale overwhelmed defenses.
3. Potential gaps in David's Sling or Arrow systems.
No defense is 100% effective, especially against large or advanced missile barrages.
Posted by: andycanuck at June 13, 2025 03:52 PM (2yoRf)
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Point of order. Mace graduated from The Citadel. Kinda well-known for it.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 13, 2025 03:51 PM (Wnv9h)
Your facts have no business here, sir.
Point of order. Mace graduated from The Citadel. Kinda well-known for it.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 13, 2025 03:51 PM (Wnv9h)
Your facts have no business here, sir.
Posted by: Bernie Sanders at June 13, 2025 03:52 PM (Zz0t1)
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215 Am I taking a bit of an extreme position? Maybe. But my point is that it is very unclear to me that the average Joe Sixpack benefits in any way from the US's foreign policy, and in fact, there are many, many drawbacks to it. Not the least of which is trillions of dollars in debt.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM
Everyone needs to remember that iran closed the persian gulf down in the 80s and started targeting all of the oil tankers transiting the hormuz straight back in the late 80s. They are capable of doing that again. We had to go in and escort reflagged kuwatii tankers just to get the oil out and we blew up a ton of their stuff doing it. If we had not done that oil prices would have skyrocketed and led to a severe recession.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2025 03:50 PM (e5NfL)
Furthermore, the mullahs are on paper a doomsday cult.
It's hard to be certain just how eager they are to bring about their version of the end times with nuclear war, but there's a much bigger risk than with North Korea, and even the India/Pakistan situation.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM
Everyone needs to remember that iran closed the persian gulf down in the 80s and started targeting all of the oil tankers transiting the hormuz straight back in the late 80s. They are capable of doing that again. We had to go in and escort reflagged kuwatii tankers just to get the oil out and we blew up a ton of their stuff doing it. If we had not done that oil prices would have skyrocketed and led to a severe recession.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2025 03:50 PM (e5NfL)
Furthermore, the mullahs are on paper a doomsday cult.
It's hard to be certain just how eager they are to bring about their version of the end times with nuclear war, but there's a much bigger risk than with North Korea, and even the India/Pakistan situation.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at June 13, 2025 03:52 PM (okun6)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:53 PM (Zz0t1)
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had somebody bombed your house and or family , for whatever reason, would you not dedicate yourself to revenge?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (PcQFu)
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Now apply your own reasoning to the Israelis, who have been repeatedly attacked by Iran and its proxies.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (PcQFu)
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Now apply your own reasoning to the Israelis, who have been repeatedly attacked by Iran and its proxies.
Posted by: Deep Deep Concern at June 13, 2025 03:53 PM (ccvr7)
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Since this was obviously done in conjunction with Trump's negotiating timeline with Iran, I think it's silly to assume that this is just Israel going total war and expecting total victory.
This is probably going to be something like a repeat of last year's exchanges where things steadily just die down and return to the same tepid normal.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:48 PM (GBKbO)
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Meh
It's pretty silly to assume that Israel committed itself to a highly planned out and expertly executed operation just to "hope" Iran comes to its senses.
When a combatant enters a battle "hoping" things will work out, he accepts a very significant disadvantage.
Biggest mistake anyone can make in battle is assuming the adversary will do what you hope. I never "hoped" a sub driver would go in a direction where I conveniently dropped a buoy line. I boxed him in.
Since this was obviously done in conjunction with Trump's negotiating timeline with Iran, I think it's silly to assume that this is just Israel going total war and expecting total victory.
This is probably going to be something like a repeat of last year's exchanges where things steadily just die down and return to the same tepid normal.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:48 PM (GBKbO)
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Meh
It's pretty silly to assume that Israel committed itself to a highly planned out and expertly executed operation just to "hope" Iran comes to its senses.
When a combatant enters a battle "hoping" things will work out, he accepts a very significant disadvantage.
Biggest mistake anyone can make in battle is assuming the adversary will do what you hope. I never "hoped" a sub driver would go in a direction where I conveniently dropped a buoy line. I boxed him in.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 03:53 PM (fz7Mb)
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OK, which one of you guys is this?
http://tiny.cc/bgvm001
You have style I can only dream of having.
http://tiny.cc/bgvm001
You have style I can only dream of having.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 13, 2025 03:53 PM (lIio7)
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What keeps the mullahs in power? A big domestic enforcement "public security bureau" type organization? I get the impression most Iranians don't like them.
What keeps the mullahs in power? A big domestic enforcement "public security bureau" type organization? I get the impression most Iranians don't like them.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 13, 2025 03:53 PM (wbZPZ)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 03:54 PM (ULPxl)
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is this going to fix everything or give Israel more enemies?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (PcQFu)
Are you kidding????
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:45 PM (PcQFu)
Are you kidding????
Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 13, 2025 03:54 PM (wtvvX)
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50 Mace can be great fun to watch when she's bludgeoning the right person.
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She's tough and not dumb. Just crackers.
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She's tough and not dumb. Just crackers.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 13, 2025 03:54 PM (IU1e3)
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236 Meh
It's pretty silly to assume that Israel committed itself to a highly planned out and expertly executed operation just to "hope" Iran comes to its senses.
When a combatant enters a battle "hoping" things will work out, he accepts a very significant disadvantage.
Biggest mistake anyone can make in battle is assuming the adversary will do what you hope. I never "hoped" a sub driver would go in a direction where I conveniently dropped a buoy line. I boxed him in.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 03:53 PM (fz7Mb)
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Unless they are sending in troops to go down the shafts and make sure the technology is destroyed, they're hoping that their bunker busters reached low enough to actually destroy the technology.
And if they're not going in to verify and destroy, then...what's the end game?
It's pretty silly to assume that Israel committed itself to a highly planned out and expertly executed operation just to "hope" Iran comes to its senses.
When a combatant enters a battle "hoping" things will work out, he accepts a very significant disadvantage.
Biggest mistake anyone can make in battle is assuming the adversary will do what you hope. I never "hoped" a sub driver would go in a direction where I conveniently dropped a buoy line. I boxed him in.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 03:53 PM (fz7Mb)
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Unless they are sending in troops to go down the shafts and make sure the technology is destroyed, they're hoping that their bunker busters reached low enough to actually destroy the technology.
And if they're not going in to verify and destroy, then...what's the end game?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:54 PM (GBKbO)
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Sunni vs. Shia, bruh.
Yeah that's the key here. And the division is actually visible in the Democratic Party as well. The Obama crime family is big on the Shia Muslims, wanting to see Iran as a nuclear world superpower.
Yeah that's the key here. And the division is actually visible in the Democratic Party as well. The Obama crime family is big on the Shia Muslims, wanting to see Iran as a nuclear world superpower.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:54 PM (e7kz6)
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let me put some knowledge into you. loans that are repaid. Loans that can only be used on US equipment. And so you and the like understand,
All of the tax dollars that go to Israel are repaid? I know some of it is for military hardware purchases, but all of it is loans? I'm asking a genuine question -- I'm not some "and the like" questioning Israel's right to exist or whatever gets thrown around anytime you question foreign aid to Israel
All of the tax dollars that go to Israel are repaid? I know some of it is for military hardware purchases, but all of it is loans? I'm asking a genuine question -- I'm not some "and the like" questioning Israel's right to exist or whatever gets thrown around anytime you question foreign aid to Israel
Posted by: brak at June 13, 2025 03:54 PM (jGJov)
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185 >>>Beefers were a nickname for udders in olden farming times.
is that true or is it like "San Diego came from an old Spanish word meaning 'a whale's vagina'"?
Posted by: ace
Always trust Auspex content.
Especially the barnyard milkmaid stories.
is that true or is it like "San Diego came from an old Spanish word meaning 'a whale's vagina'"?
Posted by: ace
Always trust Auspex content.
Especially the barnyard milkmaid stories.
Posted by: Auspex at June 13, 2025 03:54 PM (j4U/Z)
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StefenCrypto @StefenCrypto 1h Replying to @unusual_whales
@grok explain in Fortnite terms
Grok @grok 1h Replying to @StefenCrypto @unusual_whales
In Fortnite terms, Iran and Israel are like rival squads in a heated match. Iran, armed with rocket launchers (missiles), launches a barrage at Israel's base. Israel, using a shield potion (Iron Dome), blocks most of Iran's drones. But one rocket (ballistic missile) slams into Tilted Towers (Downtown Tel Aviv), causing chaos. Both sides are now fortifying, with the world watching like players urging a truce to avoid an all-out storm. Details on damage are unclear, and tensions are high.
@grok explain in Fortnite terms
Grok @grok 1h Replying to @StefenCrypto @unusual_whales
In Fortnite terms, Iran and Israel are like rival squads in a heated match. Iran, armed with rocket launchers (missiles), launches a barrage at Israel's base. Israel, using a shield potion (Iron Dome), blocks most of Iran's drones. But one rocket (ballistic missile) slams into Tilted Towers (Downtown Tel Aviv), causing chaos. Both sides are now fortifying, with the world watching like players urging a truce to avoid an all-out storm. Details on damage are unclear, and tensions are high.
Posted by: andycanuck at June 13, 2025 03:54 PM (2yoRf)
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Our national debt will simply magically disappear if we just become the whiny, toothless nation Harry so badly wants. And if this means the PRC takes over the world, he says “So be it,”.
Seriously, do you isolationists work overtime to ignore history or are your efforts out of a deep, overwhelming embarrassment and shame at being American?
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 13, 2025 03:48 PM (vm8sq)
No, I think the more you understand history and economics the more you realize that war is destruction, it costs money and lives and is something that should be avoided at all costs.
Allowing ghoulish sociopaths to start a wars in Eastern Europe that end up with hundreds of thousands dead and billions of dollars blown up on battle fields for their own personal enrichment is not how a sensible country runs its foreign policy.
It's nihilistic and gross. And if the afterlife is real, there is a special place in hell for anyone who would support such a thing.
Are there necessary wars? Yes, I think so. I'm not a Quaker. But I don't think we've even pretended to be involved in a "necessary war" since WWII.
Seriously, do you isolationists work overtime to ignore history or are your efforts out of a deep, overwhelming embarrassment and shame at being American?
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 13, 2025 03:48 PM (vm8sq)
No, I think the more you understand history and economics the more you realize that war is destruction, it costs money and lives and is something that should be avoided at all costs.
Allowing ghoulish sociopaths to start a wars in Eastern Europe that end up with hundreds of thousands dead and billions of dollars blown up on battle fields for their own personal enrichment is not how a sensible country runs its foreign policy.
It's nihilistic and gross. And if the afterlife is real, there is a special place in hell for anyone who would support such a thing.
Are there necessary wars? Yes, I think so. I'm not a Quaker. But I don't think we've even pretended to be involved in a "necessary war" since WWII.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (uCjyK)
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It's hard to be certain just how eager they are to bring about their version of the end times with nuclear war, but there's a much bigger risk than with North Korea, and even the India/Pakistan situation.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at June 13, 2025 03:52 PM (okun6)
It's their belief that scum allah will come to Earth with tremendous fire (because he's actually Satan) and what burns bigger and brighter than a nuclear weapon? They'll launch it 15 minutes after it's completed, should they get one.
It's hard to be certain just how eager they are to bring about their version of the end times with nuclear war, but there's a much bigger risk than with North Korea, and even the India/Pakistan situation.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at June 13, 2025 03:52 PM (okun6)
It's their belief that scum allah will come to Earth with tremendous fire (because he's actually Satan) and what burns bigger and brighter than a nuclear weapon? They'll launch it 15 minutes after it's completed, should they get one.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (Zz0t1)
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Am I taking a bit of an extreme position? Maybe. But my point is that it is very unclear to me that the average Joe Sixpack benefits in any way from the US's foreign policy, and in fact, there are many, many drawbacks to it. Not the least of which is trillions of dollars in debt.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM
Does anyone imagine that Joe Sixpack thinks that having insane Islamic extremists that wish for Armageddon armed with nuclear missiles is a GOOD thing - for ANYBODY?!?
Just listen to yourself!
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:33 PM
Does anyone imagine that Joe Sixpack thinks that having insane Islamic extremists that wish for Armageddon armed with nuclear missiles is a GOOD thing - for ANYBODY?!?
Just listen to yourself!
Posted by: MrExcitement at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (hOOi9)
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Although my first reaction was "bomb Teheran's civilians, then," my second reaction is this: The Iranian regime has been humiliated. There is an outside chance of a revolt. But not if Israel plays into the mullahs' bloody hands and incenses the population against Israel.
Give them three days. If there is no sign of revolt, smoke them.
Give them three days. If there is no sign of revolt, smoke them.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (Ln7a4)
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had somebody bombed your house and or family , for whatever reason, would you not dedicate yourself to revenge?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (PcQFu)
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Now apply your own reasoning to the Israelis, who have been repeatedly attacked by Iran and its proxies.
Posted by: D
and? where do you think it goes then, if you have to sets of citizens that are murdering each other where does it go?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (PcQFu)
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Now apply your own reasoning to the Israelis, who have been repeatedly attacked by Iran and its proxies.
Posted by: D
and? where do you think it goes then, if you have to sets of citizens that are murdering each other where does it go?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (PcQFu)
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“Who is the voice in the world that can negotiate some type of agreement and hold the moral authority? It might be the Chinese.”
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CCP shill says whaaaat??
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CCP shill says whaaaat??
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (oXJtT)
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He is a man of his word. A point being made to Iran and the rest of the world.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 13, 2025 03:51 PM (IU1e3)
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Jefferson and the Barbary Pirates comes to mind.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 13, 2025 03:51 PM (IU1e3)
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Jefferson and the Barbary Pirates comes to mind.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (tT6L1)
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Shit.
I need a drink......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:53 PM (Zz0t1)
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Evergreen comment
I need a drink......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:53 PM (Zz0t1)
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Evergreen comment
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (2UnvF)
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Other arab countries publicly denounce Israeli for the attack, and high five eachother celebrating Iran being attacked behind closed doors. They know Iran is the state sponsor of terror.
Other arab countries publicly denounce Israeli for the attack, and high five eachother celebrating Iran being attacked behind closed doors. They know Iran is the state sponsor of terror.
Posted by: Frank Barone at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (IifOV)
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It is truly astonishing that Walz and Pritzker think they have a real shot at being the Dem nominee, and then president. Neither one can form a coherent thought.
Posted by: Archimedes
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My money's on Booker. Heh.
Posted by: Archimedes
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My money's on Booker. Heh.
Posted by: wth at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (UjdFS)
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is this going to fix everything or give Israel more enemies?
I cannot imagine a way Israel can have any MORE enemies
I cannot imagine a way Israel can have any MORE enemies
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:56 PM (e7kz6)
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Shit.
I need a drink......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:53 PM
I was kind of wondering about that sock until I saw the hash.
I need a drink......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:53 PM
I was kind of wondering about that sock until I saw the hash.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 13, 2025 03:56 PM (Wnv9h)
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So far, not a peep from SCOAMF. I wonder why?
Posted by: pudinhead at June 13, 2025 03:56 PM (FmapG)
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For those wondering what Israel does for us, a few things to think about-
1. We share intelligence. This intelligence includes things related to terrorism and people who would like to blow us to smithereens. Avoiding being blown to smithereens is a benefit to me, an average person.
2. Israel does some incredible things with biology and technology. They share this with us. They are cutting edge in many of these spaces and we absolutely benefit from them.
3. Israel is strategically located for all things ME, and this is important considering the current climate.
4. They are our ally, and countries need alliances. It is not realistic to believe we can change our phone number and remove ourselves from the world stage all together.
This is a simple take, of course, but to think we get nothing out of our relationship with Israel is not true.
1. We share intelligence. This intelligence includes things related to terrorism and people who would like to blow us to smithereens. Avoiding being blown to smithereens is a benefit to me, an average person.
2. Israel does some incredible things with biology and technology. They share this with us. They are cutting edge in many of these spaces and we absolutely benefit from them.
3. Israel is strategically located for all things ME, and this is important considering the current climate.
4. They are our ally, and countries need alliances. It is not realistic to believe we can change our phone number and remove ourselves from the world stage all together.
This is a simple take, of course, but to think we get nothing out of our relationship with Israel is not true.
Posted by: Piper at June 13, 2025 03:56 PM (pZEOD)
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Remember Iran some months ago launched a shig load of missiles against Israel.
Posted by: Skip at June 13, 2025 03:56 PM (+qU29)
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257 is this going to fix everything or give Israel more enemies?
I cannot imagine a way Israel can have any MORE enemies
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:56 PM (e7kz6)
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There's always Todd.
I cannot imagine a way Israel can have any MORE enemies
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:56 PM (e7kz6)
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There's always Todd.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:56 PM (GBKbO)
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and? where do you think it goes then, if you have to sets of citizens that are murdering each other where does it go?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM
Ideally, one side wins.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM
Ideally, one side wins.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 03:56 PM (jc0TO)
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256 It is truly astonishing that Walz and Pritzker think they have a real shot at being the Dem nominee, and then president. Neither one can form a coherent thought.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Remember their last Candidate was Kamala....
Posted by: Archimedes
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Remember their last Candidate was Kamala....
Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2025 03:56 PM (VE6XX)
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Posted by: MIGA at June 13, 2025 03:51 PM (jj6/A)
How about the cowards who suddenly appear with a new handle never seen before?
How about the cowards who suddenly appear with a new handle never seen before?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 13, 2025 03:56 PM (2GCMq)
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Besides, if we eliminate the State Department, refuse to spend single penny overseas, and simply not have a military, the national debt will simply vanish!
Right?
totally, exactly what I was secretly hinting at, you got me
Right?
totally, exactly what I was secretly hinting at, you got me
Posted by: brak at June 13, 2025 03:56 PM (jGJov)
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loans that are repaid. Loans that can only be used on US equipment. And so you and the like understand, Israel's GDP is 1/2 trillion. A lot of of it in military sales - their own home grown R&D, production, like defense, radar systems. Every time they have a sale of some tech company , it is in 20-30 billion range. The 4-6 billion in loans they get from US..is not all that.
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Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:56 PM (PcQFu)
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Meh
It's pretty silly to assume that Israel committed itself to a highly planned out and expertly executed operation just to "hope" Iran comes to its senses.
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They intend for the Ayatollahs and mullahs and Khomeinis to be dead.
Meh
It's pretty silly to assume that Israel committed itself to a highly planned out and expertly executed operation just to "hope" Iran comes to its senses.
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They intend for the Ayatollahs and mullahs and Khomeinis to be dead.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 13, 2025 03:57 PM (IU1e3)
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A side of beef, a heiffer, things of that nature would be a woman. But her tits? Naw. Not beefers.
Hooters, highbeams, puppydog noses, tits, hangers, headlights, boobs, bazoombas, jugs, funbags.........not beefers.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (Zz0t1)
Side of beef has always meant guy, in my experience.
Hooters, highbeams, puppydog noses, tits, hangers, headlights, boobs, bazoombas, jugs, funbags.........not beefers.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:39 PM (Zz0t1)
Side of beef has always meant guy, in my experience.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 03:57 PM (ExV1e)
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Gov. Tim Turdburger
Posted by: China Calling at June 13, 2025 03:57 PM (MtY/8)
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> is this going to fix everything or give Israel more enemies?
Neither. Anyone who is an enemy of Israel after this action was an enemy of Israel before this action.
Neither. Anyone who is an enemy of Israel after this action was an enemy of Israel before this action.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 13, 2025 03:57 PM (lIio7)
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:57 PM (PcQFu)
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It's hard to be certain just how eager they are to bring about their version of the end times with nuclear war, but there's a much bigger risk than with North Korea, and even the India/Pakistan situation.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at June 13, 2025 03:52 PM (okun6)
It's their belief that scum allah will come to Earth with tremendous fire (because he's actually Satan) and what burns bigger and brighter than a nuclear weapon? They'll launch it 15 minutes after it's completed, should they get one.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (Zz0t1)
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Imagine their surprise when allah comes to Earth with merely a flaming beefer between his legs
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at June 13, 2025 03:52 PM (okun6)
It's their belief that scum allah will come to Earth with tremendous fire (because he's actually Satan) and what burns bigger and brighter than a nuclear weapon? They'll launch it 15 minutes after it's completed, should they get one.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (Zz0t1)
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Imagine their surprise when allah comes to Earth with merely a flaming beefer between his legs
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 03:57 PM (iFTx/)
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Fuckin Todd
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 13, 2025 03:58 PM (2UnvF)
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Seems the title has been slightly chopped.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:16 PM
It may be the exuberance of the moment.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 03:16 PM
It may be the exuberance of the moment.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 13, 2025 03:58 PM (3fCc4)
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so now they ae going to finish gaza, then iran?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:57 PM
or the Mullahs win. Wars don't go on forever.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:57 PM
or the Mullahs win. Wars don't go on forever.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 03:58 PM (jc0TO)
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Israel should not, and never will, strike strictly civilian sites, as an act of tit for tat.
I believe the majority of Iranians are pro-Israel, and desperately want regime change in Iran.
I know countries aren't supposed to engage in outright assassinations, but the Ayotolla and mullahs need to go down next. They've probably already left the country, but hopefully with a bit more softening strikes, they can hold off so civilians can take to the streets and start decorating lamp posts with lesser officials. Surely someone in the oppisition camp has been putting contingency plans oin place for this type of scenario.
I believe the majority of Iranians are pro-Israel, and desperately want regime change in Iran.
I know countries aren't supposed to engage in outright assassinations, but the Ayotolla and mullahs need to go down next. They've probably already left the country, but hopefully with a bit more softening strikes, they can hold off so civilians can take to the streets and start decorating lamp posts with lesser officials. Surely someone in the oppisition camp has been putting contingency plans oin place for this type of scenario.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 13, 2025 03:58 PM (Vvh2V)
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Unless they are sending in troops to go down the shafts and make sure the technology is destroyed, they're hoping that their bunker busters reached low enough to actually destroy the technology.
And if they're not going in to verify and destroy, then...what's the end game?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:54 PM (GBKbO)
JFC. You don't drop a bomb and assume it's destroyed the target. You look, and fairly simple when you have air superiority. Then bomb again. For bombing raids the ground forces aren't all that valuable because the objective is to destroy the target, not capture it.
I was not trained to drop a torp on a sub and then send James Cameron to go check things out. I can tell if the sub was sunk from the air.
And if they're not going in to verify and destroy, then...what's the end game?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:54 PM (GBKbO)
JFC. You don't drop a bomb and assume it's destroyed the target. You look, and fairly simple when you have air superiority. Then bomb again. For bombing raids the ground forces aren't all that valuable because the objective is to destroy the target, not capture it.
I was not trained to drop a torp on a sub and then send James Cameron to go check things out. I can tell if the sub was sunk from the air.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 03:58 PM (fz7Mb)
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> But her tits? Naw. Not beefers.
I would guess that any plural noun has been used at some point to describe a pair of boobs.
I would guess that any plural noun has been used at some point to describe a pair of boobs.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 13, 2025 03:59 PM (lIio7)
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I'm surprised Hezbollah and Hamas haven't started lobbing rockets from their locations.
You'd think they'd at least try for a show of solidarity.
You'd think they'd at least try for a show of solidarity.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 13, 2025 03:59 PM (6ydKt)
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Besides, if we eliminate the State Department, refuse to spend single penny overseas, and simply not have a military, the national debt will simply vanish!
Right?
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 13, 2025 03:52 PM (vm8sq)
What kind of argument is that? Seriously.
Why cut anything in government ever then? It's not like cutting back on USAID is going to get rid of the national debt overnight.
Right?
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 13, 2025 03:52 PM (vm8sq)
What kind of argument is that? Seriously.
Why cut anything in government ever then? It's not like cutting back on USAID is going to get rid of the national debt overnight.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:59 PM (uCjyK)
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This is a simple take, of course, but to think we get nothing out of our relationship with Israel is not true.
Posted by: Piper at June 13, 2025 03:56 PM (pZEOD)
Compare it for instance to our military bases in Europe. Europe is one of the least significant regions as far as American interests go, yet we have a bunch of residual Cold War operations there.
Posted by: Piper at June 13, 2025 03:56 PM (pZEOD)
Compare it for instance to our military bases in Europe. Europe is one of the least significant regions as far as American interests go, yet we have a bunch of residual Cold War operations there.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at June 13, 2025 03:59 PM (okun6)
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278 JFC. You don't drop a bomb and assume it's destroyed the target. You look, and fairly simple when you have air superiority. Then bomb again. For bombing raids the ground forces aren't all that valuable because the objective is to destroy the target, not capture it.
I was not trained to drop a torp on a sub and then send James Cameron to go check things out. I can tell if the sub was sunk from the air.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 03:58 PM (fz7Mb)
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Can you tell if a nuclear facility 200m below the earth has been destroyed from the air?
I was not trained to drop a torp on a sub and then send James Cameron to go check things out. I can tell if the sub was sunk from the air.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 03:58 PM (fz7Mb)
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Can you tell if a nuclear facility 200m below the earth has been destroyed from the air?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:59 PM (GBKbO)
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The Dems a pissed because this takes some of the attention from their Martyr Padillo and their No Kings totally spontaneous "protests."
Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2025 03:59 PM (VE6XX)
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Posted by: Major League Yabbos at June 13, 2025 03:41 PM (s8j++)
I prefer minor league yabbos. -- Joe Biden
I prefer minor league yabbos. -- Joe Biden
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 03:59 PM (ExV1e)
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Hooters, highbeams, puppydog noses
Reminds me of Monty Python's Penis Song from Contractual Obligation. Had a few names in there I'd not heard before.
Reminds me of Monty Python's Penis Song from Contractual Obligation. Had a few names in there I'd not heard before.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 04:00 PM (e7kz6)
Posted by: bonhomme at June 13, 2025 04:00 PM (lIio7)
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Neither. Anyone who is an enemy of Israel after this action was an enemy of Israel before this action.
Posted by: bonh
so when there are those arguing that theres going to be a revolution to overthrow mullahas in iran, those guys are enemies of Israel , none of those guys were pissed off about having family offed now?
forever we have heard that it was unwise to invade because it would send iranians into the arms of the mullahs.
Posted by: bonh
so when there are those arguing that theres going to be a revolution to overthrow mullahas in iran, those guys are enemies of Israel , none of those guys were pissed off about having family offed now?
forever we have heard that it was unwise to invade because it would send iranians into the arms of the mullahs.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:00 PM (PcQFu)
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> I just learned this -- Somalia is on the UN Security Council. Seriously.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at June 13, 2025 03:23 PM (PiwSw)
Remember when they had motherfucking Iran on the "Human Rights Council".
As another poster said above, this is a fundamentally unserious organization. Trump really needs to withdraw and kick them the fuck out of New York. Let the ChiComs pay the bills for a while.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at June 13, 2025 03:23 PM (PiwSw)
Remember when they had motherfucking Iran on the "Human Rights Council".
As another poster said above, this is a fundamentally unserious organization. Trump really needs to withdraw and kick them the fuck out of New York. Let the ChiComs pay the bills for a while.
Posted by: TIMMY! at June 13, 2025 04:01 PM (qpyNK)
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Can you tell if a nuclear facility 200m below the earth has been destroyed from the air?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:59 PM (GBKbO)
If you *know* it was 200m deep and your bombs dig a crater 300-400m deep, you have good odds that the facility is gone.
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Can you tell if a nuclear facility 200m below the earth has been destroyed from the air?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:59 PM (GBKbO)
If you *know* it was 200m deep and your bombs dig a crater 300-400m deep, you have good odds that the facility is gone.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:01 PM (ULPxl)
Posted by: Sam Adams at June 13, 2025 04:01 PM (X+xvk)
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Can you tell if a nuclear facility 200m below the earth has been destroyed from the air?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:59 PM (GBKbO)
Yes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:59 PM (GBKbO)
Yes.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:01 PM (fz7Mb)
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Compare it for instance to our military bases in Europe. Europe is one of the least significant regions as far as American interests go, yet we have a bunch of residual Cold War operations there.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
I would rather stick with Israel, up to the point I listen the leaders of Great Britain and realize we are just making the ME bigger.
Compare it for instance to our military bases in Europe. Europe is one of the least significant regions as far as American interests go, yet we have a bunch of residual Cold War operations there.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
I would rather stick with Israel, up to the point I listen the leaders of Great Britain and realize we are just making the ME bigger.
Posted by: Piper at June 13, 2025 04:01 PM (pZEOD)
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260 For those wondering what Israel does for us, a few things to think about-
1. We share intelligence. This intelligence includes things related to terrorism and people who would like to blow us to smithereens. Avoiding being blown to smithereens is a benefit to me, an average person.
2. Israel does some incredible things with biology and technology. They share this with us. They are cutting edge in many of these spaces and we absolutely benefit from them.
3. Israel is strategically located for all things ME, and this is important considering the current climate.
4. They are our ally, and countries need alliances. It is not realistic to believe we can change our phone number and remove ourselves from the world stage all together.
This is a simple take, of course, but to think we get nothing out of our relationship with Israel is not true.
Posted by: Piper
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n Moses n Western Civilization and that stuff too
1. We share intelligence. This intelligence includes things related to terrorism and people who would like to blow us to smithereens. Avoiding being blown to smithereens is a benefit to me, an average person.
2. Israel does some incredible things with biology and technology. They share this with us. They are cutting edge in many of these spaces and we absolutely benefit from them.
3. Israel is strategically located for all things ME, and this is important considering the current climate.
4. They are our ally, and countries need alliances. It is not realistic to believe we can change our phone number and remove ourselves from the world stage all together.
This is a simple take, of course, but to think we get nothing out of our relationship with Israel is not true.
Posted by: Piper
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n Moses n Western Civilization and that stuff too
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 13, 2025 04:01 PM (IU1e3)
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So far, not a peep from SCOAMF. I wonder why?
Posted by: pudinhead
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He's busy planning the next round of riots.
Posted by: pudinhead
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He's busy planning the next round of riots.
Posted by: wth at June 13, 2025 04:01 PM (v0R5T)
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283 278 JFC. You don't drop a bomb and assume it's destroyed the target. You look, and fairly simple when you have air superiority. Then bomb again. For bombing raids the ground forces aren't all that valuable because the objective is to destroy the target, not capture it.
I was not trained to drop a torp on a sub and then send James Cameron to go check things out. I can tell if the sub was sunk from the air.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 03:58 PM (fz7Mb)
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Can you tell if a nuclear facility 200m below the earth has been destroyed from the air?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:59 PM (GBKbO)
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They should nuke it from orbit just to be sure.
I was not trained to drop a torp on a sub and then send James Cameron to go check things out. I can tell if the sub was sunk from the air.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 03:58 PM (fz7Mb)
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Can you tell if a nuclear facility 200m below the earth has been destroyed from the air?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:59 PM (GBKbO)
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They should nuke it from orbit just to be sure.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 13, 2025 04:01 PM (6ydKt)
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Neither one can form a coherent thought.
Posted by: Archimedes
The Democrats got a gawt damned dementia patient elected. The phrase "Yellow dog Democrat" goes back decades.
Posted by: Archimedes
The Democrats got a gawt damned dementia patient elected. The phrase "Yellow dog Democrat" goes back decades.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at June 13, 2025 04:01 PM (Vvh2V)
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241 50 Mace can be great fun to watch when she's bludgeoning the right person.
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She's tough and not dumb. Just crackers.
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Eh, "according to widespread media reports" needs to be upgraded to "reported in NY Times, Jan 15, 2024 you were quoted as saying..." . Also, have you been to Tianamen Square in 1990? So what, remind Timmy and the viewers why it matters, like "Did your CCP handlers show you the bloodstains from the protestors for democracy were killed the year before, or did they clean up all the evidence of their crimes by then?"
I prefer a good nailing to the wall with facts otherwise it just a random browbeating.
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She's tough and not dumb. Just crackers.
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Eh, "according to widespread media reports" needs to be upgraded to "reported in NY Times, Jan 15, 2024 you were quoted as saying..." . Also, have you been to Tianamen Square in 1990? So what, remind Timmy and the viewers why it matters, like "Did your CCP handlers show you the bloodstains from the protestors for democracy were killed the year before, or did they clean up all the evidence of their crimes by then?"
I prefer a good nailing to the wall with facts otherwise it just a random browbeating.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 13, 2025 04:02 PM (Dv3i1)
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I would guess that any plural noun has been used at some point to describe a pair of boobs.
Reminds me of Jeff Foxworthy's bit on single vs married men.
Single men turn everything into a double entendre, no matter how innocent or neutral.
Woman: "I need to get my tires rotated"
Single man: "I'd like to rotate her tires"
Married man: "You need a recommendation where to go? I have some coupons!"
Reminds me of Jeff Foxworthy's bit on single vs married men.
Single men turn everything into a double entendre, no matter how innocent or neutral.
Woman: "I need to get my tires rotated"
Single man: "I'd like to rotate her tires"
Married man: "You need a recommendation where to go? I have some coupons!"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 04:02 PM (e7kz6)
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so now they ae going to finish gaza, then iran?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:57 PM
or the Mullahs win. Wars don't go on forever.
Posted by: toby9
nobody is getting rid of the mullahs without boots in country and Israel has no ability to do so
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:57 PM
or the Mullahs win. Wars don't go on forever.
Posted by: toby9
nobody is getting rid of the mullahs without boots in country and Israel has no ability to do so
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:02 PM (PcQFu)
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Pritzker, Walz and Holchul have stunned to realize that Republicans can save screenshots and use their words against them.
Posted by: NR Pax at June 13, 2025 04:02 PM (7xrfc)
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I read someone's tweet that said there is an Iranian sub that is launching missiles.
Makes me wonder, if this is true, whether we've got attack subs in the Persian gulf and in the Med.
Makes me wonder, if this is true, whether we've got attack subs in the Persian gulf and in the Med.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at June 13, 2025 04:02 PM (zeLd4)
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How radioactive is the smoke plume?
Posted by: DaveA at June 13, 2025 04:02 PM (FhXTo)
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Although my first reaction was "bomb Teheran's civilians, then," my second reaction is this: The Iranian regime has been humiliated. There is an outside chance of a revolt. But not if Israel plays into the mullahs' bloody hands and incenses the population against Israel.
Give them three days. If there is no sign of revolt, smoke them.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (Ln7a4)
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Israel has refrained thus far from targeting Iran's political leadership, but a proper response to Iran's indiscriminate attacks on Israeli civilians would be to first threaten to neutralize the mullahs if they continue with such attacks and then to do so if they don't stop. Not to respond in kind by attacking civilians.
Give them three days. If there is no sign of revolt, smoke them.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (Ln7a4)
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Israel has refrained thus far from targeting Iran's political leadership, but a proper response to Iran's indiscriminate attacks on Israeli civilians would be to first threaten to neutralize the mullahs if they continue with such attacks and then to do so if they don't stop. Not to respond in kind by attacking civilians.
Posted by: Zombie Breitbart at June 13, 2025 04:02 PM (ccvr7)
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288 Neither. Anyone who is an enemy of Israel after this action was an enemy of Israel before this action.
Posted by: bonh
so when there are those arguing that theres going to be a revolution to overthrow mullahas in iran, those guys are enemies of Israel , none of those guys were pissed off about having family offed now?
forever we have heard that it was unwise to invade because it would send iranians into the arms of the mullahs.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:00 PM (PcQFu)
A ground invasion is something else entirely and presents more military challenges.
Your reasoning regarding hitting military targets and a small number of people on their nuclear programs makes no sense, 99% of the population doesn't have family relations involved. Since civilian areas are not being targeted, there is little reason for them to feel threatened.
Posted by: bonh
so when there are those arguing that theres going to be a revolution to overthrow mullahas in iran, those guys are enemies of Israel , none of those guys were pissed off about having family offed now?
forever we have heard that it was unwise to invade because it would send iranians into the arms of the mullahs.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:00 PM (PcQFu)
A ground invasion is something else entirely and presents more military challenges.
Your reasoning regarding hitting military targets and a small number of people on their nuclear programs makes no sense, 99% of the population doesn't have family relations involved. Since civilian areas are not being targeted, there is little reason for them to feel threatened.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at June 13, 2025 04:03 PM (okun6)
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290 If you *know* it was 200m deep and your bombs dig a crater 300-400m deep, you have good odds that the facility is gone.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:01 PM (ULPxl)
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Here's the thing.
Iran probably has a good idea of how deep bunker busters go. They probably know how deep to dig underground facilities to be protected from that.
From what I can tell, MOPs go 200 feet below the ground, assuming concrete.
So, building at 400 feet below the ground, with reinforced concrete, probably protects what's 400 feet below.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:01 PM (ULPxl)
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Here's the thing.
Iran probably has a good idea of how deep bunker busters go. They probably know how deep to dig underground facilities to be protected from that.
From what I can tell, MOPs go 200 feet below the ground, assuming concrete.
So, building at 400 feet below the ground, with reinforced concrete, probably protects what's 400 feet below.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:03 PM (GBKbO)
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So it looks like we are assisting Israel against the missle attack...How long before a judge puts a TRO on it ?
Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2025 04:03 PM (VE6XX)
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is this going to fix everything or give Israel more enemies?
Neither. Anyone who is an enemy of Israel after this action was an enemy of Israel before this action.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 13, 2025 03:57 PM (lIio7)
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If anything, nominal enemies of Israel like Saudi Arabia are singing Hava Nagila right now ....
Neither. Anyone who is an enemy of Israel after this action was an enemy of Israel before this action.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 13, 2025 03:57 PM (lIio7)
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If anything, nominal enemies of Israel like Saudi Arabia are singing Hava Nagila right now ....
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 04:03 PM (iFTx/)
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292 Can you tell if a nuclear facility 200m below the earth has been destroyed from the air?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:59 PM (GBKbO)
Yes.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:01 PM (fz7Mb)
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What if your MOPs can't go as far down as the facility has been built?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:59 PM (GBKbO)
Yes.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:01 PM (fz7Mb)
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What if your MOPs can't go as far down as the facility has been built?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:03 PM (GBKbO)
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“Who is the voice in the world that can negotiate some type of agreement and hold the moral authority? It might be the Chinese.”
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China adds another pearl to her necklace.
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China adds another pearl to her necklace.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 13, 2025 04:04 PM (XeU6L)
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302 I read someone's tweet that said there is an Iranian sub that is launching missiles.
Makes me wonder, if this is true, whether we've got attack subs in the Persian gulf and in the Med.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at June 13, 2025 04:02 PM (zeLd4)
Of course we do.
Makes me wonder, if this is true, whether we've got attack subs in the Persian gulf and in the Med.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at June 13, 2025 04:02 PM (zeLd4)
Of course we do.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 04:04 PM (uCjyK)
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Is there anything that the Democrats can do/say that would cause lefty Jews to abandon it?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
After the revolution the anti-Jewish feeling will fade away as the Democrats do communism right.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
After the revolution the anti-Jewish feeling will fade away as the Democrats do communism right.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 13, 2025 04:04 PM (L/fGl)
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But her tits? Naw. Not beefers.
I would guess that any plural noun has been used at some point to describe a pair of boobs.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 13, 2025 03:59 PM (lIio7)
Tensor is busy. Queued up for AI pictorial of "beefers."
I would guess that any plural noun has been used at some point to describe a pair of boobs.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 13, 2025 03:59 PM (lIio7)
Tensor is busy. Queued up for AI pictorial of "beefers."
Posted by: OrangeEnt at June 13, 2025 04:05 PM (0eaVi)
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had somebody bombed your house and or family , for whatever reason, would you not dedicate yourself to revenge?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (PcQFu)
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Now apply your own reasoning to the Israelis, who have been repeatedly attacked by Iran and its proxies.
Posted by: D
and? where do you think it goes then, if you have to sets of citizens that are murdering each other where does it go?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (PcQFu)
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Circular reasoning much?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (PcQFu)
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Now apply your own reasoning to the Israelis, who have been repeatedly attacked by Iran and its proxies.
Posted by: D
and? where do you think it goes then, if you have to sets of citizens that are murdering each other where does it go?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (PcQFu)
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Circular reasoning much?
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 13, 2025 04:05 PM (oXJtT)
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I just looked up the data for U.S. Navy attack subs. They are Los Angeles class, and we've 40 of them.
Los Angeles class. Heh. They ought to put Mayor Bass, she with the name of a fish, on one of those attack fishes as it hunts down the Iranians.
Los Angeles class. Heh. They ought to put Mayor Bass, she with the name of a fish, on one of those attack fishes as it hunts down the Iranians.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at June 13, 2025 04:05 PM (zeLd4)
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is this going to fix everything or give Israel more enemies?
Pretty sure every country on Earth is either nominally or explicitly Israel's enemy with the sometimes exception of the US. Unless some other country is going to fragment so that they can up the count, Israel won't end up with MORE enemies.
Pretty sure every country on Earth is either nominally or explicitly Israel's enemy with the sometimes exception of the US. Unless some other country is going to fragment so that they can up the count, Israel won't end up with MORE enemies.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 04:05 PM (ExV1e)
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If you *know* it was 200m deep and your bombs dig a crater 300-400m deep, you have good odds that the facility is gone.
Posted by: H
nobody has something that craters 300m
it is nonsense to write of things about which you have no understanding
Posted by: H
nobody has something that craters 300m
it is nonsense to write of things about which you have no understanding
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:05 PM (PcQFu)
318
nobody is getting rid of the mullahs without boots in country
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:02 PM
I could, Mikey, if I was in charge.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:02 PM
I could, Mikey, if I was in charge.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 04:06 PM (jc0TO)
319
Must be fun slaving away 400 feet below the desert waiting to see if bunker busters work.
Posted by: wth at June 13, 2025 04:06 PM (UjdFS)
320
"Lassie! Where's Timmy?"
"Woof. Woof woof, woof."
"He's stuck in the 5th grade boy's bathroom? Again?"
"Lassie! Where's Timmy?"
"Woof. Woof woof, woof."
"He's stuck in the 5th grade boy's bathroom? Again?"
Posted by: Auspex at June 13, 2025 04:06 PM (j4U/Z)
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What if your MOPs can't go as far down as the facility has been built?
As long as it goes deep enough to close off all access, who cares?
As long as it goes deep enough to close off all access, who cares?
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2025 04:06 PM (s8j++)
322
One of these day's. God is going to have enough of this junk. Soon
Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (Bmxi2)
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So far, not a peep from SCOAMF. I wonder why?
Posted by: pudinhead
......
He's busy planning the next round of riots.
Posted by: wth at June 13, 2025 04:01 PM (v0R5T)
Sure. That's what he's doing!
(wink)
Posted by: pudinhead
......
He's busy planning the next round of riots.
Posted by: wth at June 13, 2025 04:01 PM (v0R5T)
Sure. That's what he's doing!
(wink)
Posted by: Reggie at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (0eaVi)
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321 What if your MOPs can't go as far down as the facility has been built?
As long as it goes deep enough to close off all access, who cares?
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2025 04:06 PM (s8j++)
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Because Iran can build new tunnels to get back at the work?
As long as it goes deep enough to close off all access, who cares?
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2025 04:06 PM (s8j++)
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Because Iran can build new tunnels to get back at the work?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (GBKbO)
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If 95% of Iran's ballistic missiles and drones get shot down, how would they deliver their very rare, very expensive nuclear warheads to Israel?
Interesting fact: components in nuclear warheads apparently give off emissions that can be detected at a distance. This would impact delivery by shipping container or truck.
If 95% of Iran's ballistic missiles and drones get shot down, how would they deliver their very rare, very expensive nuclear warheads to Israel?
Interesting fact: components in nuclear warheads apparently give off emissions that can be detected at a distance. This would impact delivery by shipping container or truck.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (hf+Z7)
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Allowing ghoulish sociopaths to start a wars in Eastern Europe that end up with hundreds of thousands dead and billions of dollars blown up on battle fields for their own personal enrichment is not how a sensible country runs its foreign policy.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (uCjyK)
A normal person might interpret that as a rebuke against Putin. You know, the dictator actually launching wars because he longs for the glory days of Russia ruling over the USSR and Warsaw pact.
But of course it's somehow the US foreign policy that forced Putin to invade his neighbor. Impressive that your hatred of intervention doesn't extend to Russia not attempting to annex their sovereign neighbor.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (uCjyK)
A normal person might interpret that as a rebuke against Putin. You know, the dictator actually launching wars because he longs for the glory days of Russia ruling over the USSR and Warsaw pact.
But of course it's somehow the US foreign policy that forced Putin to invade his neighbor. Impressive that your hatred of intervention doesn't extend to Russia not attempting to annex their sovereign neighbor.
Posted by: Sjg at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (aqZN1)
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and? where do you think it goes then, if you have to sets of citizens that are murdering each other where does it go?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (PcQFu)
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Circular reasoning much?
Posted by: S
how is that circular reasoning? noting how something achieves nothing but murder forever is not circular reasoning
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (PcQFu)
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Circular reasoning much?
Posted by: S
how is that circular reasoning? noting how something achieves nothing but murder forever is not circular reasoning
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (PcQFu)
328
blast depth >> blast radius
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (XeU6L)
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Trolls love to shriek about ground invasion! as a deflection. Good argument. Keep fvcking that chicken Tucker.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 13, 2025 04:08 PM (oXJtT)
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318 nobody is getting rid of the mullahs without boots in country
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:02 PM
From what I've read they do
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:02 PM
From what I've read they do
Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2025 04:08 PM (VE6XX)
Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at June 13, 2025 04:08 PM (+gRkI)
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Most of the Arab regimes will posture against Israel but it's just performative. In practice they're cooperative.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at June 13, 2025 03:47 PM (okun6)
Because:
A. They realize that Shiite Iran is more dangerous than Jewish Israel.
B. Israel has kicked their asses every time they've tried shit.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at June 13, 2025 03:47 PM (okun6)
Because:
A. They realize that Shiite Iran is more dangerous than Jewish Israel.
B. Israel has kicked their asses every time they've tried shit.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 04:08 PM (ExV1e)
333
Beefeater makes gin.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 04:09 PM (Zz0t1)
334
I'm thinking of Top Gun : Maverick
Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2025 04:09 PM (VofaG)
335
What if your MOPs can't go as far down as the facility has been built?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:03 PM (GBKbO)
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A thought exercise.
I drop a bomb. It results in a crater.
I then drop another bomb into the crater. That crater gets deeper.
Shock waves from the explosions radiate outward, including down. Said facility is being hit with those waves before any ordnance actually hits it. Said shockwave also result in damage to the ground under the blast, loosening it up.
Underground facility is taking damage, stressing out the construction. The closer the bombs get because of the ever deepening crater, the more damage it takes. Surface access has been destroyed well before all of this.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:03 PM (GBKbO)
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A thought exercise.
I drop a bomb. It results in a crater.
I then drop another bomb into the crater. That crater gets deeper.
Shock waves from the explosions radiate outward, including down. Said facility is being hit with those waves before any ordnance actually hits it. Said shockwave also result in damage to the ground under the blast, loosening it up.
Underground facility is taking damage, stressing out the construction. The closer the bombs get because of the ever deepening crater, the more damage it takes. Surface access has been destroyed well before all of this.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:09 PM (eD91D)
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>>> 317 If you *know* it was 200m deep and your bombs dig a crater 300-400m deep, you have good odds that the facility is gone.
Posted by: H
nobody has something that craters 300m
it is nonsense to write of things about which you have no understanding
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:05 PM (PcQFu)
Oh, are you an EXPERT!!! on this? If one bomb forms a 100m deep crater, what happens if you can drop another close enough on that same spot?
Posted by: H
nobody has something that craters 300m
it is nonsense to write of things about which you have no understanding
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:05 PM (PcQFu)
Oh, are you an EXPERT!!! on this? If one bomb forms a 100m deep crater, what happens if you can drop another close enough on that same spot?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:09 PM (ULPxl)
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how is that circular reasoning? noting how something achieves nothing but murder forever is not circular reasoning
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You remind me of my daughter about age 12.
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You remind me of my daughter about age 12.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at June 13, 2025 04:09 PM (oXJtT)
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86 It is truly astonishing that Walz and Pritzker think they have a real shot at being the Dem nominee, and then president. Neither one can form a coherent thought.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2025 03:31 PM (s8j++)
Raises an interesting question: who DOES have a real shot?
Does anybody really think that Biden's nomination was legit? That the majority of Dems really wanted an old white guy with dementia, and no charisma, who had failed in countless other attempts, and whose only claim to fame was putting countless black men behind bars?
Of course, there was Kamala. She was dead last in the primary SHE was in, so the simply didn't HAVE a primary to get her in. And she suddenly turned from being an Indian woman to being black. She couldn't even handle a FRIENDLY interview.
Does AOC have a shot, as is sometimes talked about?
Remember, this stuff is more FIXED than a KC Chiefs game!
If it were a fair primary, I'd probably expect Newsome. He has charisma, I guess, and there's plenty of clueless Dems who clearly don't know how much worse than a failure he is. Abject failure is deemed "success" in the Dem party, even with the voters.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2025 03:31 PM (s8j++)
Raises an interesting question: who DOES have a real shot?
Does anybody really think that Biden's nomination was legit? That the majority of Dems really wanted an old white guy with dementia, and no charisma, who had failed in countless other attempts, and whose only claim to fame was putting countless black men behind bars?
Of course, there was Kamala. She was dead last in the primary SHE was in, so the simply didn't HAVE a primary to get her in. And she suddenly turned from being an Indian woman to being black. She couldn't even handle a FRIENDLY interview.
Does AOC have a shot, as is sometimes talked about?
Remember, this stuff is more FIXED than a KC Chiefs game!
If it were a fair primary, I'd probably expect Newsome. He has charisma, I guess, and there's plenty of clueless Dems who clearly don't know how much worse than a failure he is. Abject failure is deemed "success" in the Dem party, even with the voters.
Posted by: MrExcitement at June 13, 2025 04:09 PM (hOOi9)
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Two equivalent lunatic cultures slugging it out...
Posted by: Beto Ochoa at June 13, 2025 04:09 PM (dzZCL)
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I can imagine that the shockwave of a bomb that can penetrate 200' of reinforced concrete would be very bad for centrifuges spinning fluorine dissolved uranium, even if they were another 200' down.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 04:09 PM (jc0TO)
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had somebody bombed your house and or family , for whatever reason, would you not dedicate yourself to revenge?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (PcQFu)
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Now apply your own reasoning to the Israelis, who have been repeatedly attacked by Iran and its proxies.
Posted by: D
and? where do you think it goes then, if you have to sets of citizens that are murdering each other where does it go?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (PcQFu)
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It's been said a lot, you should try to understand it.
If the Iranians/Palestinians laid down their arms, there would be peace with Israel the next day.
If Israel laid down their arms, their enemies would invade & destroy them the next day.
That's the difference.
One side wants peace, and the other side wants to annihilate them.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (PcQFu)
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Now apply your own reasoning to the Israelis, who have been repeatedly attacked by Iran and its proxies.
Posted by: D
and? where do you think it goes then, if you have to sets of citizens that are murdering each other where does it go?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (PcQFu)
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It's been said a lot, you should try to understand it.
If the Iranians/Palestinians laid down their arms, there would be peace with Israel the next day.
If Israel laid down their arms, their enemies would invade & destroy them the next day.
That's the difference.
One side wants peace, and the other side wants to annihilate them.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 13, 2025 04:09 PM (6ydKt)
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A normal person might interpret that as a rebuke against Putin. You know, the dictator actually launching wars because he longs for the glory days of Russia ruling over the USSR and Warsaw pact.
But of course it's somehow the US foreign policy that forced Putin to invade his neighbor. Impressive that your hatred of intervention doesn't extend to Russia not attempting to annex their sovereign neighbor.
Posted by: Sjg at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (aqZN1)
I don't mean this to be disrespectful, but did you just discover the Ukrainian / Russian situation this year from watching CNN or Fox News?
I don't think I'm saying anything the least bit controversial here -- the US and our European allies 100% engineered the entire Ukrainian / Russian war. They didn't even try to hide it, you can find Victoria Nuland and Hillary Clinton among others bragging about how they set the wheels in motion by funding a coup against the elected President of Ukraine back during the Obama years.
But of course it's somehow the US foreign policy that forced Putin to invade his neighbor. Impressive that your hatred of intervention doesn't extend to Russia not attempting to annex their sovereign neighbor.
Posted by: Sjg at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (aqZN1)
I don't mean this to be disrespectful, but did you just discover the Ukrainian / Russian situation this year from watching CNN or Fox News?
I don't think I'm saying anything the least bit controversial here -- the US and our European allies 100% engineered the entire Ukrainian / Russian war. They didn't even try to hide it, you can find Victoria Nuland and Hillary Clinton among others bragging about how they set the wheels in motion by funding a coup against the elected President of Ukraine back during the Obama years.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (uCjyK)
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there has been no or not much success getting rid of tunnels in gaza with bombs and they are tens of m below ground, some of the iranian facilities are thought to be as far as 800 m below ground, nothing is going to get those.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (PcQFu)
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Sign up for a No Mullahs rally near you!
Posted by: The IDF at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (lIgBp)
345
> n Moses n Western Civilization and that stuff too
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 13, 2025 04:01 PM (IU1e3)
Eh... much of what we know of as Western Civilization came from Greece and the Roman Republic, both of which were pagan as shit. Another big chunk came from the classic liberals (not to be confused with modern liberals who are simply communists with a different brand name), not all of whom were devout Christians (some were outright atheists).
I won't go so far as to say that Christianity and Judaism have contributed nothing, because that would be stupid. Of course they have.
But they definitely don't deserve credit for the whole shebang.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 13, 2025 04:01 PM (IU1e3)
Eh... much of what we know of as Western Civilization came from Greece and the Roman Republic, both of which were pagan as shit. Another big chunk came from the classic liberals (not to be confused with modern liberals who are simply communists with a different brand name), not all of whom were devout Christians (some were outright atheists).
I won't go so far as to say that Christianity and Judaism have contributed nothing, because that would be stupid. Of course they have.
But they definitely don't deserve credit for the whole shebang.
Posted by: TIMMY! at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (qpyNK)
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335 A thought exercise.
I drop a bomb. It results in a crater.
I then drop another bomb into the crater. That crater gets deeper.
Shock waves from the explosions radiate outward, including down. Said facility is being hit with those waves before any ordnance actually hits it. Said shockwave also result in damage to the ground under the blast, loosening it up.
Underground facility is taking damage, stressing out the construction. The closer the bombs get because of the ever deepening crater, the more damage it takes. Surface access has been destroyed well before all of this.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:09 PM (eD91D)
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I don't think it operates like this. The stress of many strikes may quake the ground enough to cause damage further down, but ultimately, your not actually moving earth out of the way. It's mostly staying in place, getting displaced within the crater area.
And there's only one way to be sure, and it's not from the air.
I drop a bomb. It results in a crater.
I then drop another bomb into the crater. That crater gets deeper.
Shock waves from the explosions radiate outward, including down. Said facility is being hit with those waves before any ordnance actually hits it. Said shockwave also result in damage to the ground under the blast, loosening it up.
Underground facility is taking damage, stressing out the construction. The closer the bombs get because of the ever deepening crater, the more damage it takes. Surface access has been destroyed well before all of this.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:09 PM (eD91D)
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I don't think it operates like this. The stress of many strikes may quake the ground enough to cause damage further down, but ultimately, your not actually moving earth out of the way. It's mostly staying in place, getting displaced within the crater area.
And there's only one way to be sure, and it's not from the air.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (GBKbO)
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Underground facility is taking damage, stressing out the construction. The closer the bombs get because of the ever deepening crater, the more damage it takes. Surface access has been destroyed well before all of this.
Yeah you do not have to physically dig out the facility, every bomb that hits close causes catastrophe underground.
Yeah you do not have to physically dig out the facility, every bomb that hits close causes catastrophe underground.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (e7kz6)
348
blast depth >> blast radius
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (XeU6L)
I think we need confirmation from occasional commenter Blast Hardcheese to be sure.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (XeU6L)
I think we need confirmation from occasional commenter Blast Hardcheese to be sure.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (Zz0t1)
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Because Iran can build new tunnels to get back at the work?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (GBKbO)
So now the assumption is that the adversary is going to dig new tunnels in the middle of a bombing raid. Using big equipment and without air superiority.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (GBKbO)
So now the assumption is that the adversary is going to dig new tunnels in the middle of a bombing raid. Using big equipment and without air superiority.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (eD91D)
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Credit to Mace, by the way. I completely forgot about Walz's whole "I befriended school shooters" thing.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (2ocoG)
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What if your MOPs can't go as far down as the facility has been built?
As long as it goes deep enough to close off all access, who cares?
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2025 04:06 PM (s8j++)
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Because Iran can build new tunnels to get back at the work?
1) You maintain a presence overhead, and if you notice anyone trying, which would be an enormous and obvious effort, you take them out as well.
2) How long will the current crew and equipment last in a sealed environment? Not long enough is my guess.
As long as it goes deep enough to close off all access, who cares?
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2025 04:06 PM (s8j++)
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Because Iran can build new tunnels to get back at the work?
1) You maintain a presence overhead, and if you notice anyone trying, which would be an enormous and obvious effort, you take them out as well.
2) How long will the current crew and equipment last in a sealed environment? Not long enough is my guess.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (s8j++)
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Posted by: Auspex at June 13, 2025 04:06 PM (j4U/Z)
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I have to scroll up a ways to find out what the context for this is, but I have a friend who could do this with foreign languages.
Ancient Toothless Korean Grandmother who even the Korean workmen can't understand: Grrr. Howrr rrhha. Garrhh.
My friend: She says there's a set of extra keys in the bottom drawer in the kitchen.
Posted by: Auspex at June 13, 2025 04:06 PM (j4U/Z)
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I have to scroll up a ways to find out what the context for this is, but I have a friend who could do this with foreign languages.
Ancient Toothless Korean Grandmother who even the Korean workmen can't understand: Grrr. Howrr rrhha. Garrhh.
My friend: She says there's a set of extra keys in the bottom drawer in the kitchen.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 13, 2025 04:11 PM (wbZPZ)
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how is that circular reasoning? noting how something achieves nothing but murder forever is not circular reasoning
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (PcQFu)
Here in the real world and in real history, retaliation discourages continued aggression. Punitive expeditions are nothing new.
Non-responsiveness encourages endless attacks and raids.
how is that circular reasoning? noting how something achieves nothing but murder forever is not circular reasoning
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (PcQFu)
Here in the real world and in real history, retaliation discourages continued aggression. Punitive expeditions are nothing new.
Non-responsiveness encourages endless attacks and raids.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at June 13, 2025 04:11 PM (okun6)
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Posted by: Sjg at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (aqZN1M
Yeah Ukraine was just sitting doing nothing. The Russian attack just came out of nowhere.
Yeah Ukraine was just sitting doing nothing. The Russian attack just came out of nowhere.
Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2025 04:11 PM (VofaG)
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If you think Saudi considers Israel an enemy, then you know nothing about Arabs. First understand that every public statement about anything made by any Arab official is a lie. It’s expected in their culture. Public statements are meant to keep the lower classes, who the rulers regard as little more than cattle, from acting up. That’s all they are.
Iran is Saudi’s greatest enemy. So are the Palestinians. So was Hezbollah, because they sided with Iran. So are any of the Heretic Shiites.
Israel is just a convenient verbal punching bag, but they are fine working with them behind closed doors.
Iran is Saudi’s greatest enemy. So are the Palestinians. So was Hezbollah, because they sided with Iran. So are any of the Heretic Shiites.
Israel is just a convenient verbal punching bag, but they are fine working with them behind closed doors.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 13, 2025 04:11 PM (EVFZ5)
356
blast depth >> blast radius
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (XeU6L)
I think we need confirmation from occasional commenter Blast Hardcheese to be sure.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (Zz0t1)
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"The Paolo, he go both deep and wide ...."
-- The Paolo
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (XeU6L)
I think we need confirmation from occasional commenter Blast Hardcheese to be sure.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (Zz0t1)
_______
"The Paolo, he go both deep and wide ...."
-- The Paolo
Posted by: Elric Blade at June 13, 2025 04:11 PM (iFTx/)
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Hooters, highbeams, puppydog noses, tits, hangers, headlights, boobs, bazoombas, jugs, funbags.........not beefers.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
Braless in a tight blue top they're Smurf noses.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
Braless in a tight blue top they're Smurf noses.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 13, 2025 04:11 PM (L/fGl)
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Drop the first. 200m. Drop the second... with debris, 300m.
The third? Bingo!
No? Then the 4th, the 5th, ad nauseum.
The third? Bingo!
No? Then the 4th, the 5th, ad nauseum.
Posted by: MkY at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (cPGH3)
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349 Because Iran can build new tunnels to get back at the work?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (GBKbO)
So now the assumption is that the adversary is going to dig new tunnels in the middle of a bombing raid. Using big equipment and without air superiority.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (eD91D)
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No. The bombing will stop at a certain point.
Just destroying the air shafts and existing tunnels while leaving the existing underground structure, as Archimedes asserted and I was responding to, is easily bypassed once Israel stops attacking.
Which they will do at some point.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:07 PM (GBKbO)
So now the assumption is that the adversary is going to dig new tunnels in the middle of a bombing raid. Using big equipment and without air superiority.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (eD91D)
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No. The bombing will stop at a certain point.
Just destroying the air shafts and existing tunnels while leaving the existing underground structure, as Archimedes asserted and I was responding to, is easily bypassed once Israel stops attacking.
Which they will do at some point.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (GBKbO)
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had somebody bombed your house and or family , for whatever reason, would you not dedicate yourself to revenge?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (PcQFu)
Iran could live in peace and all it would require is living in peace.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (PcQFu)
Iran could live in peace and all it would require is living in peace.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (ExV1e)
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And there's only one way to be sure, and it's not from the air.
Pour gasoline down the air intake until flames start coming out? Any underground manned bunker has one.
Pour gasoline down the air intake until flames start coming out? Any underground manned bunker has one.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (2ocoG)
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Oh, are you an EXPERT!!! on this? If one bomb forms a 100m deep crater, what happens if you can drop another close enough on that same spot?
Posted by: H
thats not how it works, read something
Posted by: H
thats not how it works, read something
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (PcQFu)
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and? where do you think it goes then, if you have to sets of citizens that are murdering each other where does it go?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (PcQFu)
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There are two countries in a war against each other, not "sets of citizens that are murdering each other", and wars end either in victory or some kind of negotiated settlement.
The best outcome against Iran is that the Iranian people rise up against their oppressive regime and reclaim sovereignty.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:55 PM (PcQFu)
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There are two countries in a war against each other, not "sets of citizens that are murdering each other", and wars end either in victory or some kind of negotiated settlement.
The best outcome against Iran is that the Iranian people rise up against their oppressive regime and reclaim sovereignty.
Posted by: Deep Deep Concern at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (ccvr7)
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Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 13, 2025 04:11 PM (wbZPZ)
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Also, friend never studied a word of Korean.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 13, 2025 04:11 PM (wbZPZ)
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Also, friend never studied a word of Korean.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (wbZPZ)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (viF8m)
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Los Angeles class. Heh. They ought to put Mayor Bass, she with the name of a fish, on one of those attack fishes as it hunts down the Iranians.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at June 13, 2025 04:05 PM
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She'd probably try to grab the wheel and steer into a sea mount. Or foment an insurrection amongst the minorities in the crew.
Los Angeles class. Heh. They ought to put Mayor Bass, she with the name of a fish, on one of those attack fishes as it hunts down the Iranians.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at June 13, 2025 04:05 PM
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She'd probably try to grab the wheel and steer into a sea mount. Or foment an insurrection amongst the minorities in the crew.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at June 13, 2025 04:13 PM (hf+Z7)
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We should build a giant wall around the site, flood it and send robot submarines down the tunnels!
We should build a giant wall around the site, flood it and send robot submarines down the tunnels!
Posted by: Joey Bidet, Crack SBD Pilot at June 13, 2025 04:13 PM (+gRkI)
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I can imagine that the shockwave of a bomb that can penetrate 200' of reinforced concrete would be very bad for centrifuges spinning fluorine dissolved uranium, even if they were another 200' down.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 04:09 PM
The Fat Electrician had a few things to say about that.
https://youtu.be/Tulb9VutyCc
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 04:09 PM
The Fat Electrician had a few things to say about that.
https://youtu.be/Tulb9VutyCc
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 13, 2025 04:13 PM (Wnv9h)
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All of the tax dollars that go to Israel are repaid? I know some of it is for military hardware purchases, but all of it is loans? I'm asking a genuine question -- I'm not some "and the like" questioning Israel's right to exist or whatever gets thrown around anytime you question foreign aid to Israel
Posted by: brak at June 13, 2025 03:54 PM (jGJov)
Yes ! "the United States has provided Israel with loan guarantees, which are different from direct loans. These guarantees allow Israel to borrow money from commercial banks at lower interest rates and with longer repayment periods, with the U.S. government acting as a cosigner to ensure repayment. Israel has never defaulted on these loans, so the U.S. has not had to pay out funds directly." so we are bribing Israel to buy our equipment with favorable loan terms.
Posted by: brak at June 13, 2025 03:54 PM (jGJov)
Yes ! "the United States has provided Israel with loan guarantees, which are different from direct loans. These guarantees allow Israel to borrow money from commercial banks at lower interest rates and with longer repayment periods, with the U.S. government acting as a cosigner to ensure repayment. Israel has never defaulted on these loans, so the U.S. has not had to pay out funds directly." so we are bribing Israel to buy our equipment with favorable loan terms.
Posted by: runner at June 13, 2025 04:13 PM (g47mK)
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351 1) You maintain a presence overhead, and if you notice anyone trying, which would be an enormous and obvious effort, you take them out as well.
2) How long will the current crew and equipment last in a sealed environment? Not long enough is my guess.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (s8j++)
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I'm imagining new efforts to start digging it out happening weeks or even months later.
As long as the facility is largely intact, the tech is intact, and it can just continue from a certain point.
Destroying access, as you asserted, is not the end of that facility. Unless Israel is planning on maintaining presence over that airspace forever which would be difficult without ground support, Iran will have opportunity to start digging again.
2) How long will the current crew and equipment last in a sealed environment? Not long enough is my guess.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (s8j++)
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I'm imagining new efforts to start digging it out happening weeks or even months later.
As long as the facility is largely intact, the tech is intact, and it can just continue from a certain point.
Destroying access, as you asserted, is not the end of that facility. Unless Israel is planning on maintaining presence over that airspace forever which would be difficult without ground support, Iran will have opportunity to start digging again.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:13 PM (GBKbO)
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Here in the real world and in real history, retaliation discourages continued aggression. Punitive expeditions are nothing new.
Non-responsiveness encourages endless attacks and raids.
Posted by: R
yeah, have you noticed iran has been a pariah state since 79? not changing.
Non-responsiveness encourages endless attacks and raids.
Posted by: R
yeah, have you noticed iran has been a pariah state since 79? not changing.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:13 PM (PcQFu)
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We can barely get Latinos to pretend to be American in L.A.
That's because, some time back, the left started telling everyone that your ethnicity was the most important thing about you and a lot of people listened.
American Latinos used to be pretty damned patriotic about America. Some still are.
That's because, some time back, the left started telling everyone that your ethnicity was the most important thing about you and a lot of people listened.
American Latinos used to be pretty damned patriotic about America. Some still are.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 04:14 PM (ExV1e)
373
Braless in a tight blue top they're Smurf noses.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 13, 2025 04:11 PM (L/fGl)
Blue. Grey. What's the difference?
Braless in a tight blue top they're Smurf noses.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 13, 2025 04:11 PM (L/fGl)
Blue. Grey. What's the difference?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 04:14 PM (Zz0t1)
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361 And there's only one way to be sure, and it's not from the air.
Pour gasoline down the air intake until flames start coming out? Any underground manned bunker has one.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (2ocoG)
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Well, yeah.
That requires boots on the ground, though.
If Israel sends in ground troops to deal with this, I'll believe they're serious about actually smashing the operations.
Pour gasoline down the air intake until flames start coming out? Any underground manned bunker has one.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (2ocoG)
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Well, yeah.
That requires boots on the ground, though.
If Israel sends in ground troops to deal with this, I'll believe they're serious about actually smashing the operations.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:14 PM (GBKbO)
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I don't mean this to be disrespectful, but did you just discover the Ukrainian / Russian situation this year from watching CNN or Fox News?
I don't think I'm saying anything the least bit controversial here -- the US and our European allies 100% engineered the entire Ukrainian / Russian war. They didn't even try to hide it, you can find Victoria Nuland and Hillary Clinton among others bragging about how they set the wheels in motion by funding a coup against the elected President of Ukraine back during the Obama years.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (uCjyK)
Conspiracy nuts are retards
Just because some dems are trying to profit off of Ukraine doesn't make Russia's actions justified or moral.
I don't think I'm saying anything the least bit controversial here -- the US and our European allies 100% engineered the entire Ukrainian / Russian war. They didn't even try to hide it, you can find Victoria Nuland and Hillary Clinton among others bragging about how they set the wheels in motion by funding a coup against the elected President of Ukraine back during the Obama years.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (uCjyK)
Conspiracy nuts are retards
Just because some dems are trying to profit off of Ukraine doesn't make Russia's actions justified or moral.
Posted by: Sjg at June 13, 2025 04:14 PM (aqZN1)
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I clearly remember when Iran took Americans hostage in '79. I guess I hold a grudge for a long time. Not sad to see Israel, our ally, bombing the shit out of them.
Posted by: nerdygirl at June 13, 2025 04:14 PM (0Htd1)
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I think, everywhere there' a carrier group there's a sub.
The George Washington has left Japan for the region. The Harry Truman is there. And two more are there or on the way. Not counting any independent subs. As nosy as we are there are at least two loitering.
The George Washington has left Japan for the region. The Harry Truman is there. And two more are there or on the way. Not counting any independent subs. As nosy as we are there are at least two loitering.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 13, 2025 04:14 PM (IU1e3)
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361 And there's only one way to be sure, and it's not from the air.
Pour gasoline down the air intake until flames start coming out? Any underground manned bunker has one.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (2ocoG)
Air ducts....
/nods
Pour gasoline down the air intake until flames start coming out? Any underground manned bunker has one.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (2ocoG)
Air ducts....
/nods
Posted by: Luke Skyfaller at June 13, 2025 04:14 PM (mP0Kj)
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>>> 362
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thats not how it works, read something
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (PcQFu)
So if you can drop a bomb where another one has previously landed, it can't remove any further depth?
Why not, are there rules against that?
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thats not how it works, read something
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (PcQFu)
So if you can drop a bomb where another one has previously landed, it can't remove any further depth?
Why not, are there rules against that?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:14 PM (ULPxl)
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (GBKbO)
So you think Israel attacked knowing they couldn't cause any real consequential damage to Iran's nuclear program?
So you think Israel attacked knowing they couldn't cause any real consequential damage to Iran's nuclear program?
Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2025 04:14 PM (VofaG)
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We be wants Presdent Obana two dew somethongs about Isreal attacking Iraq.
This bothers us and call on the War Crimeral Trump too be jailed buy the UN Now !!!!!!!!!!
This bothers us and call on the War Crimeral Trump too be jailed buy the UN Now !!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt at June 13, 2025 04:14 PM (q/j2W)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 04:14 PM (Zz0t1)
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The stress of many strikes may quake the ground enough to cause damage further down, but ultimately, your not actually moving earth out of the way. It's mostly staying in place, getting displaced within the crater area.
And there's only one way to be sure, and it's not from the air.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (GBKbO)
You're basing this on what? Your training? 😊
You just said the earth isn't going anywhere after a bomb hit, but then say it's being displaced. Where, pray tell, is it being displaced TO?
Verification doesn't require troops and equipment to dig down and see if it's neutralized.
And there's only one way to be sure, and it's not from the air.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (GBKbO)
You're basing this on what? Your training? 😊
You just said the earth isn't going anywhere after a bomb hit, but then say it's being displaced. Where, pray tell, is it being displaced TO?
Verification doesn't require troops and equipment to dig down and see if it's neutralized.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (jH5TK)
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Makes me wonder, if this is true, whether we've got attack subs in the Persian gulf and in the Med.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at June 13, 2025 04:02 PM
The Arabian Gulf is shallow, and not great for sub operations. That said, never say never.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at June 13, 2025 04:02 PM
The Arabian Gulf is shallow, and not great for sub operations. That said, never say never.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (3fCc4)
Posted by: bonhomme at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (lIio7)
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There is one thing that works in the ME - strength. The more you kick their ass, the more they respect you.
Posted by: runner at June 13, 2025 03:50 PM (g47mK)
Kick? Damn. -- Pete Buttigieg as he zips his pants
Posted by: runner at June 13, 2025 03:50 PM (g47mK)
Kick? Damn. -- Pete Buttigieg as he zips his pants
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (VE6XX)
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> 343 there has been no or not much success getting rid of tunnels in gaza with bombs and they are tens of m below ground, some of the iranian facilities are thought to be as far as 800 m below ground, nothing is going to get those.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (PcQFu)
Using multiple $3.5 million GBU-57s to whack a few "Palestinian" sewer rats doesn't make sense.
The calculus changes when it's a nuclear facility.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (PcQFu)
Using multiple $3.5 million GBU-57s to whack a few "Palestinian" sewer rats doesn't make sense.
The calculus changes when it's a nuclear facility.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (qpyNK)
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380 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (GBKbO)
So you think Israel attacked knowing they couldn't cause any real consequential damage to Iran's nuclear program?
Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2025 04:14 PM (VofaG)
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I think they attacked with the understanding that it would be a setback, but not actually ending the program which is outside their airstrike abilities.
So you think Israel attacked knowing they couldn't cause any real consequential damage to Iran's nuclear program?
Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2025 04:14 PM (VofaG)
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I think they attacked with the understanding that it would be a setback, but not actually ending the program which is outside their airstrike abilities.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (GBKbO)
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We should build a giant wall around the site, flood it and send robot submarines down the tunnels!
Perhaps the ents are available.
Perhaps the ents are available.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (s8j++)
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Posted by: Tom Servo at June 13, 2025 04:11 PM (EVFZ5)
The Saud Royal family will do whatever we tell them to do, since they only exist on our whim.
The people getting rich off the oil don't want war, they want to hang out at the Four Seasons in Dubai and have sex with insta THOTS they import from the US.
That said, I don't think it's accurate to say KSA and Iran are enemies in the European sense of the word. They are adversaries, there are deep resentments among the Arabs towards Persians and Turks for how they ruled Arab lands going back to ancient history. The whole region is a fucking tribal nightmare with thousands of years of history that is not worth trying to figure out.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 13, 2025 04:11 PM (EVFZ5)
The Saud Royal family will do whatever we tell them to do, since they only exist on our whim.
The people getting rich off the oil don't want war, they want to hang out at the Four Seasons in Dubai and have sex with insta THOTS they import from the US.
That said, I don't think it's accurate to say KSA and Iran are enemies in the European sense of the word. They are adversaries, there are deep resentments among the Arabs towards Persians and Turks for how they ruled Arab lands going back to ancient history. The whole region is a fucking tribal nightmare with thousands of years of history that is not worth trying to figure out.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (uCjyK)
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all the talk about us "giving " Israel money is ...well, you know , Candace Owens talk. But she is an ignorant slut. We gave Ukraine money , not a loan. the EU was smart and made it a loan, probably underwritten with rare earth or something. that is why Trump wanted that contract.
Posted by: runner at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (g47mK)
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184 If you think the Iranian Regime has support, ask yourself why Israel's covert operations inside Iran have been so successful. The Israeli's had an entire drone launching base set up inside Iran that they had been building up for months that launched part of this attack - of course some people in Iran knew about it.
Most incredible thing is that one of Iran's top Generals turned up in Jerusalem today. The IDF announced that he has actually been working for Israel for at least 2 or 3 years now, decided after this that he would be too exposed to risk staying there. Thanks to him, and others like him, Israel knows the Iranian chain of command and future plans inside and out.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 13, 2025 03:46 PM (uWKK
So awesome.
Most incredible thing is that one of Iran's top Generals turned up in Jerusalem today. The IDF announced that he has actually been working for Israel for at least 2 or 3 years now, decided after this that he would be too exposed to risk staying there. Thanks to him, and others like him, Israel knows the Iranian chain of command and future plans inside and out.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 13, 2025 03:46 PM (uWKK
So awesome.
Posted by: MrExcitement at June 13, 2025 04:16 PM (hOOi9)
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Pour gasoline down the air intake until flames start coming out? Any underground manned bunker has one.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (2ocoG)
Or bomb the air ducts. They are fairly fragile.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (2ocoG)
Or bomb the air ducts. They are fairly fragile.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:16 PM (jH5TK)
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383 You're basing this on what? Your training? 😊
You just said the earth isn't going anywhere after a bomb hit, but then say it's being displaced. Where, pray tell, is it being displaced TO?
Verification doesn't require troops and equipment to dig down and see if it's neutralized.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (jH5TK)
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I said within the crater area. Right there in my comment.
Your not attacking a crater and sending rock hundreds of yards away.
You just said the earth isn't going anywhere after a bomb hit, but then say it's being displaced. Where, pray tell, is it being displaced TO?
Verification doesn't require troops and equipment to dig down and see if it's neutralized.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (jH5TK)
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I said within the crater area. Right there in my comment.
Your not attacking a crater and sending rock hundreds of yards away.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:16 PM (GBKbO)
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I've heard "milkers" and "milk makers" as additional terms for boobelehs, but never beefers. I agree with earlier commenters that sounds kinda gay.
Posted by: Mmmmm...boobies at June 13, 2025 04:16 PM (TbWk/)
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376 I clearly remember when Iran took Americans hostage in '79. I guess I hold a grudge for a long time. Not sad to see Israel, our ally, bombing the shit out of them.
Posted by: nerdygirl
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Right on.
If this is day two, there will be four more days of this activity unless Israel accepts Iran's surrender. I hope they don't.
Posted by: nerdygirl
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Right on.
If this is day two, there will be four more days of this activity unless Israel accepts Iran's surrender. I hope they don't.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at June 13, 2025 04:16 PM (IU1e3)
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Soar @Soar_Earth 4h
Full HD satellite image of the Israeli airstrike on the Natanz Nuclear Facility in central Iran (13 June 2025)
You can pan around, zoom in and also create your own maps over this incredible imagery using the 🖌️ icon at the center of the screen.
tinyurl.com/5n8dk44c
War Mapper @War_Mapper 4h
A full HD satellite image of Natanz is now available on Soar, showing the damage to the facility overnight.
Further details soon
War Mapper @War_Mapper 3h
Close-up satellite imagery of the Natanz nuclear facility in Iran following Israeli strikes last night.
High-resolution visuals show visible damage to multiple structures across the site.
soar.earth/draw/2257
War Mapper @War_Mapper 3h
Use the arrows at the bottom of the window to cycle through the slides.
https://tinyurl.com/5jptdfvy
Full HD satellite image of the Israeli airstrike on the Natanz Nuclear Facility in central Iran (13 June 2025)
You can pan around, zoom in and also create your own maps over this incredible imagery using the 🖌️ icon at the center of the screen.
tinyurl.com/5n8dk44c
War Mapper @War_Mapper 4h
A full HD satellite image of Natanz is now available on Soar, showing the damage to the facility overnight.
Further details soon
War Mapper @War_Mapper 3h
Close-up satellite imagery of the Natanz nuclear facility in Iran following Israeli strikes last night.
High-resolution visuals show visible damage to multiple structures across the site.
soar.earth/draw/2257
War Mapper @War_Mapper 3h
Use the arrows at the bottom of the window to cycle through the slides.
https://tinyurl.com/5jptdfvy
Posted by: andycanuck at June 13, 2025 04:16 PM (2yoRf)
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POLITICO@politico
Democrats reclaim the American flag
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I thought they were giving it a Viking funeral.
Democrats reclaim the American flag
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I thought they were giving it a Viking funeral.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 13, 2025 04:16 PM (L/fGl)
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So if you can drop a bomb where another one has previously landed, it can't remove any further depth?
Why not, are there rules against that?
yeah, heres the thing, theres been discussion about building bunkr busters to deal with irans facilities, libyas facilities, many different sits for years, nobody has anything to get that far underground, even when they considered your brilliant thought.
why would you think your extensive experience as an hq commenter has mad you a weapons expert, read something.
Why not, are there rules against that?
yeah, heres the thing, theres been discussion about building bunkr busters to deal with irans facilities, libyas facilities, many different sits for years, nobody has anything to get that far underground, even when they considered your brilliant thought.
why would you think your extensive experience as an hq commenter has mad you a weapons expert, read something.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:17 PM (PcQFu)
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I think they attacked with the understanding that it would be a setback, but not actually ending the program which is outside their airstrike abilities.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (GBKbO)
Air superiority is a force multiplier.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (GBKbO)
Air superiority is a force multiplier.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:17 PM (jH5TK)
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I must say, we do have the best military stuff. The best!
Posted by: runner at June 13, 2025 04:17 PM (g47mK)
Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2025 04:17 PM (VE6XX)
404
Nightmare on Pennsylvania Ave .................
Kamal Harris is POTUS right now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Iran would have Nukes by now and the world would be destabilized, and another Economic Depression would be around the corner..
Kamal Harris is POTUS right now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Iran would have Nukes by now and the world would be destabilized, and another Economic Depression would be around the corner..
Posted by: Ferd Berfal at June 13, 2025 04:17 PM (q/j2W)
405
Enriching uranium at scale requires enormous amounts of electricity. I would just judge off that to determine if a site survived or not.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 04:17 PM (jc0TO)
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401 I think they attacked with the understanding that it would be a setback, but not actually ending the program which is outside their airstrike abilities.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (GBKbO)
Air superiority is a force multiplier.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:17 PM (jH5TK)
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If you send in troops.
Are they sending in troops? Maybe. But not yet.
I doubt it, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (GBKbO)
Air superiority is a force multiplier.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:17 PM (jH5TK)
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If you send in troops.
Are they sending in troops? Maybe. But not yet.
I doubt it, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:18 PM (GBKbO)
407
I read someone's tweet that said there is an Iranian sub that is launching missiles.
Makes me wonder, if this is true, whether we've got attack subs in the Persian gulf and in the Med.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at June 13, 2025 04:02 PM
We have used SSN's in the persian gulf but it is not an ideal environment for them. I doubt that we have enough attack boats left to permanently station one in the Gulf though. We only have 50 or so commissioned attack boats and nearly a third of them are in some sort of maintenance/commissioning cycle at any given time and are not available for deployment.
Makes me wonder, if this is true, whether we've got attack subs in the Persian gulf and in the Med.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at June 13, 2025 04:02 PM
We have used SSN's in the persian gulf but it is not an ideal environment for them. I doubt that we have enough attack boats left to permanently station one in the Gulf though. We only have 50 or so commissioned attack boats and nearly a third of them are in some sort of maintenance/commissioning cycle at any given time and are not available for deployment.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at June 13, 2025 04:18 PM (e5NfL)
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371 Here in the real world and in real history, retaliation discourages continued aggression. Punitive expeditions are nothing new.
Non-responsiveness encourages endless attacks and raids.
Posted by: R
yeah, have you noticed iran has been a pariah state since 79? not changing.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:13 PM (PcQFu)
Diplomatic isolation isn't generally meaningful retaliation. There are multitudes of examples of raiders and pirates being discouraged through history by the obvious route of just counterattacking. To propose that violence and war do not resolve conflicts due to some sort of civilian feud cycle is idiotic. That actually doesn't happen. The civilians killed in Germany during WW2 didn't launch a blood feud against Americans.
Non-responsiveness encourages endless attacks and raids.
Posted by: R
yeah, have you noticed iran has been a pariah state since 79? not changing.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:13 PM (PcQFu)
Diplomatic isolation isn't generally meaningful retaliation. There are multitudes of examples of raiders and pirates being discouraged through history by the obvious route of just counterattacking. To propose that violence and war do not resolve conflicts due to some sort of civilian feud cycle is idiotic. That actually doesn't happen. The civilians killed in Germany during WW2 didn't launch a blood feud against Americans.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at June 13, 2025 04:18 PM (okun6)
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why would you think your extensive experience as an hq commenter has mad you a weapons expert, read something.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:17 PM (PcQFu)
And your extensive experience a a weapons expert is...?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:17 PM (PcQFu)
And your extensive experience a a weapons expert is...?
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:18 PM (jH5TK)
410
379 >>> 362
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thats not how it works, read something
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (PcQFu)
So if you can drop a bomb where another one has previously landed, it can't remove any further depth?
Why not, are there rules against that?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:14 PM (ULPxl)
No DUE PROCESS!!!!
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thats not how it works, read something
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (PcQFu)
So if you can drop a bomb where another one has previously landed, it can't remove any further depth?
Why not, are there rules against that?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:14 PM (ULPxl)
No DUE PROCESS!!!!
Posted by: Fed Judge at June 13, 2025 04:18 PM (mP0Kj)
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Conspiracy nuts are retards
Just because some dems are trying to profit off of Ukraine doesn't make Russia's actions justified or moral.
Posted by: Sjg at June 13, 2025 04:14 PM (aqZN1)
Yes, yes, people who read the news and actually try to stay on top of what's going on in the world are retards. Thank god you've got it all figured out. I only wish I could be so wise some day where I know all of the answers without even having to do any independent reading of my own.
Just because some dems are trying to profit off of Ukraine doesn't make Russia's actions justified or moral.
Posted by: Sjg at June 13, 2025 04:14 PM (aqZN1)
Yes, yes, people who read the news and actually try to stay on top of what's going on in the world are retards. Thank god you've got it all figured out. I only wish I could be so wise some day where I know all of the answers without even having to do any independent reading of my own.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 04:18 PM (uCjyK)
412
So it's a nipple thread?
Posted by: Just got here at June 13, 2025 04:19 PM (lIgBp)
413
So you're saying girth not length.
Like a tuna can.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM
If you can't reach the bottom, bang the heck out of the sides.
Like a tuna can.
Posted by: bonhomme at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM
If you can't reach the bottom, bang the heck out of the sides.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 13, 2025 04:19 PM (3fCc4)
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343 there has been no or not much success getting rid of tunnels in gaza with bombs and they are tens of m below ground, some of the iranian facilities are thought to be as far as 800 m below ground, nothing is going to get those.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (PcQFu)
Using multiple $3.5 million GBU-57s to whack a few "Palestinian" sewer rats doesn't make sense.
The calculus changes when it's a nuclear facility.
Posted by: Rodrigo B
it was the gbu 39 that should have been used not the 2000lb non penetrating bombs
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:10 PM (PcQFu)
Using multiple $3.5 million GBU-57s to whack a few "Palestinian" sewer rats doesn't make sense.
The calculus changes when it's a nuclear facility.
Posted by: Rodrigo B
it was the gbu 39 that should have been used not the 2000lb non penetrating bombs
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:19 PM (PcQFu)
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>>> 409 why would you think your extensive experience as an hq commenter has mad you a weapons expert, read something.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:17 PM (PcQFu)
And your extensive experience a a weapons expert is...?
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:18 PM (jH5TK)
LOL
I was just going to suggest reading *your* comments.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:17 PM (PcQFu)
And your extensive experience a a weapons expert is...?
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:18 PM (jH5TK)
LOL
I was just going to suggest reading *your* comments.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:20 PM (ULPxl)
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (GBKbO)
Israel knew that there would be retaliatory attacks against civilians. They would not undertake such a mission believing an attack would just be a temporary set back. Not worth it.
Israel knew that there would be retaliatory attacks against civilians. They would not undertake such a mission believing an attack would just be a temporary set back. Not worth it.
Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2025 04:20 PM (VofaG)
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Per Grok: Israel possesses powerful conventional bombs, such as the U.S.-supplied GBU-28 bunker buster, a 5,000-pound laser-guided bomb capable of penetrating about 6 meters of concrete or 30 meters of earth.
Posted by: Lincolntf at June 13, 2025 04:20 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Pendulating Richard at June 13, 2025 04:20 PM (+gRkI)
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So it's a nipple thread?
Posted by: Just got here at June 13, 2025 04:19 PM
Not until Montgomery's tubercles are mentioned.
Posted by: Just got here at June 13, 2025 04:19 PM
Not until Montgomery's tubercles are mentioned.
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at June 13, 2025 04:20 PM (3fCc4)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (8gejw)
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416 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (GBKbO)
Israel knew that there would be retaliatory attacks against civilians. They would not undertake such a mission believing an attack would just be a temporary set back. Not worth it.
Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2025 04:20 PM (VofaG)
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They did it last year.
They bombed Iran last year.
Israel knew that there would be retaliatory attacks against civilians. They would not undertake such a mission believing an attack would just be a temporary set back. Not worth it.
Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2025 04:20 PM (VofaG)
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They did it last year.
They bombed Iran last year.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (GBKbO)
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why would you think your extensive experience as an hq commenter has mad you a weapons expert, read something.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:17 PM (PcQFu)
And your extensive experience a a weapons expert is...?
experience none, however, ive read the technical docs and followed the development since forever, enough to know what I do not know, which she does not know.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:17 PM (PcQFu)
And your extensive experience a a weapons expert is...?
experience none, however, ive read the technical docs and followed the development since forever, enough to know what I do not know, which she does not know.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (PcQFu)
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392 all the talk about us "giving " Israel money is ...well, you know , Candace Owens talk. But she is an ignorant slut. We gave Ukraine money , not a loan. the EU was smart and made it a loan, probably underwritten with rare earth or something. that is why Trump wanted that contract.
Posted by: runner at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (g47mK)
Well, perfect then. If we're not giving Israel any money, but are instead bribing them with loans that they fully pay back in order to buy our weapons, then no harm no foul if we stop giving them loans. And we should not be engaged in bribery, and I'm sure Israeli citizens are outraged that their government is being bribed to buy weapons.
So there, problem solved.
Posted by: runner at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (g47mK)
Well, perfect then. If we're not giving Israel any money, but are instead bribing them with loans that they fully pay back in order to buy our weapons, then no harm no foul if we stop giving them loans. And we should not be engaged in bribery, and I'm sure Israeli citizens are outraged that their government is being bribed to buy weapons.
So there, problem solved.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (uCjyK)
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OK If you are blessed by God you probably don't know who Bonnie Blue is. For those of us who sadly are aware, there's a twist.
This Bonnie person is infamous for outrageous sexual stunts like having sex with over 1000 dudes in a single 24 hour period. Blue got kicked off the sleazy Onlyfans site for planning a stunt too over the top for even them.
Someone dug up an old interview where Bonnie Blue stated that... she used to be a he.
This Bonnie person is infamous for outrageous sexual stunts like having sex with over 1000 dudes in a single 24 hour period. Blue got kicked off the sleazy Onlyfans site for planning a stunt too over the top for even them.
Someone dug up an old interview where Bonnie Blue stated that... she used to be a he.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (e7kz6)
425
You Morons love to argue.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (jc0TO)
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425 You Morons love to argue.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (jc0TO)
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No we don't.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (jc0TO)
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No we don't.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:22 PM (GBKbO)
427
They did it last year.
They bombed Iran last year.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (GBKbO)
What was that mission?
They bombed Iran last year.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (GBKbO)
What was that mission?
Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2025 04:22 PM (VofaG)
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As to who the Arabs hate most: most Arabs have hated the US since we openly backed Israel starting about 60 years ago.
The Arabs have hated the Jews ever since that Mohammed chap told them to, about 1700 years.
The Arabs have hated the Persians ever since that Cyrus dude subjugated them, 2500 years ago and counting.
The Arabs have hated the Jews ever since that Mohammed chap told them to, about 1700 years.
The Arabs have hated the Persians ever since that Cyrus dude subjugated them, 2500 years ago and counting.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 13, 2025 04:22 PM (EVFZ5)
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Forget China...their economy is about to get totally fc'ked...
https://tinyurl.com/24nschk7
Wanna guess where the ChiComs get most of their oil?
https://tinyurl.com/24nschk7
Wanna guess where the ChiComs get most of their oil?
Posted by: CPT. Charles at June 13, 2025 04:22 PM (XjTSo)
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If you send in troops.
Are they sending in troops? Maybe. But not yet.
I doubt it, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:18 PM (GBKbO)
SoS...
You aren't capturing the target. You are neutralizing it. It's actually less than ideal to have ground forces in place since that hampers operations. And you don't need them here. The objective can be met without anyone there.
Or is the argument that if I use a tactical nuke then I have to send in a rifle company to double check...?
Are they sending in troops? Maybe. But not yet.
I doubt it, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:18 PM (GBKbO)
SoS...
You aren't capturing the target. You are neutralizing it. It's actually less than ideal to have ground forces in place since that hampers operations. And you don't need them here. The objective can be met without anyone there.
Or is the argument that if I use a tactical nuke then I have to send in a rifle company to double check...?
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:22 PM (fFFrU)
Posted by: andycanuck at June 13, 2025 04:23 PM (2yoRf)
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Yeah that's the key here. And the division is actually visible in the Democratic Party as well. The Obama crime family is big on the Shia Muslims, wanting to see Iran as a nuclear world superpower.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:54 PM (e7kz6)
Is it really? Carter backed Iran. Obama backed Iran. Biden (whatever) backed Iran. I don't know if Bubba had an official position but I bet, if push came to shove, that Hillary would have made him back Iran also.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 03:54 PM (e7kz6)
Is it really? Carter backed Iran. Obama backed Iran. Biden (whatever) backed Iran. I don't know if Bubba had an official position but I bet, if push came to shove, that Hillary would have made him back Iran also.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 04:23 PM (ExV1e)
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421 416 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (GBKbO)
Israel knew that there would be retaliatory attacks against civilians. They would not undertake such a mission believing an attack would just be a temporary set back. Not worth it.
Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2025 04:20 PM (VofaG)
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They did it last year.
They bombed Iran last year.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (GBKbO)
Wasn't that on essentially pre-arranged corridors with target limitations set by Iran? This on the other hand crosses lines that Iran claims they will respond more seriously to.
Israel knew that there would be retaliatory attacks against civilians. They would not undertake such a mission believing an attack would just be a temporary set back. Not worth it.
Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2025 04:20 PM (VofaG)
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They did it last year.
They bombed Iran last year.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (GBKbO)
Wasn't that on essentially pre-arranged corridors with target limitations set by Iran? This on the other hand crosses lines that Iran claims they will respond more seriously to.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at June 13, 2025 04:23 PM (okun6)
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398 Soar @Soar_Earth 4h
Full HD satellite image of the Israeli airstrike on the Natanz Nuclear Facility in central Iran (13 June 2025)
You can pan around, zoom in and also create your own maps over this incredible imagery using the 🖌️ icon at the center of the screen.
tinyurl.com/5n8dk44c
War Mapper @War_Mapper 4h
A full HD satellite image of Natanz is now available on Soar, showing the damage to the facility overnight.
Further details soon
War Mapper @War_Mapper 3h
Close-up satellite imagery of the Natanz nuclear facility in Iran following Israeli strikes last night.
High-resolution visuals show visible damage to multiple structures across the site.
soar.earth/draw/2257
War Mapper @War_Mapper 3h
Use the arrows at the bottom of the window to cycle through the slides.
https://tinyurl.com/5jptdfvy
Posted by: andycanuck
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Cool links, andycanuck. I was thinking bigger mess - looks like precision hits.
Full HD satellite image of the Israeli airstrike on the Natanz Nuclear Facility in central Iran (13 June 2025)
You can pan around, zoom in and also create your own maps over this incredible imagery using the 🖌️ icon at the center of the screen.
tinyurl.com/5n8dk44c
War Mapper @War_Mapper 4h
A full HD satellite image of Natanz is now available on Soar, showing the damage to the facility overnight.
Further details soon
War Mapper @War_Mapper 3h
Close-up satellite imagery of the Natanz nuclear facility in Iran following Israeli strikes last night.
High-resolution visuals show visible damage to multiple structures across the site.
soar.earth/draw/2257
War Mapper @War_Mapper 3h
Use the arrows at the bottom of the window to cycle through the slides.
https://tinyurl.com/5jptdfvy
Posted by: andycanuck
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Cool links, andycanuck. I was thinking bigger mess - looks like precision hits.
Posted by: scampydog at June 13, 2025 04:23 PM (2bFN5)
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I think Israel must know how to destroy something underground or else they wouldn't bother with air strikes.
My guess is they just bury the facility under the earth with repeated bombing. Weaken the structure. Make it unusable without complete rebuild.
You don't have to obliterate something to make it inoperable.
My guess is they just bury the facility under the earth with repeated bombing. Weaken the structure. Make it unusable without complete rebuild.
You don't have to obliterate something to make it inoperable.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 13, 2025 04:23 PM (mzM2O)
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IDF F-22's out of the morning sun......
See the little Raghead sucking on its mother's Tit...
The Ayatollahs do not give a Shit..........
GPS Guided MK-82s FRAG Iranian Mullah Ragheads...
The Horror............... The Horror.........
See the little Raghead sucking on its mother's Tit...
The Ayatollahs do not give a Shit..........
GPS Guided MK-82s FRAG Iranian Mullah Ragheads...
The Horror............... The Horror.........
Posted by: Col Kurtz at June 13, 2025 04:23 PM (aKoaI)
437
In a nipple thread, the chick with three boobs in Total Recall wins
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at June 13, 2025 04:23 PM (e7kz6)
438
This idea that we have no interests outside the United States is hilarious, if not a demonstrable fallacy. There are very few people who constantly make that argument and none of them have our best interests at heart. Fighting everyone’s wars at the behest of neocons has poisoned that well a bit. But this idea that offensive action by another sovereign or our participation, or support in those endeavors where we clearly have a national interest, like I dunno against a rogue country financing and engaging in the worst terrorist activities against our country, demonstrably, and who aspires to gain nuclear weapons with no real discernible defensive purpose, other than to protect their terror operations and nuke their enemies, is not in our national interests- well the question answers itself.
I realize watching Russia’s shit getting blown up and shown useless, while also being monkey stomped by a third rate country and their IW upsets you, but that’s as they say too bad.
I realize watching Russia’s shit getting blown up and shown useless, while also being monkey stomped by a third rate country and their IW upsets you, but that’s as they say too bad.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 13, 2025 04:23 PM (g88zo)
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You Morons love to argue.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (jc0TO)
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No we don't.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:22 PM
That's not an argument, it's just a contradiction!
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (jc0TO)
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No we don't.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:22 PM
That's not an argument, it's just a contradiction!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 13, 2025 04:24 PM (kgE5c)
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Or bomb the air ducts. They are fairly fragile.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:16 PM
The exhaust port is good, as well.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:16 PM
The exhaust port is good, as well.
Posted by: Red Leader One at June 13, 2025 04:24 PM (3fCc4)
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427 They did it last year.
They bombed Iran last year.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (GBKbO)
What was that mission?
Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2025 04:22 PM (VofaG)
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Does it matter? They attacked Iran directly last year without the hope of ending the Iranian leadership situation. Why should this one be different?
All I'm seeing is attacking of nuclear sites from the air which may or may not be enough to destroy them completely. Are they going to follow up with anything else?
Have they destroyed Hezbollah? They bombed the shit out of Lebanon a couple of years ago, too.
And this is going on while they still are cleaning up Gaza, where most of their ground troops are focused.
They bombed Iran last year.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (GBKbO)
What was that mission?
Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2025 04:22 PM (VofaG)
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Does it matter? They attacked Iran directly last year without the hope of ending the Iranian leadership situation. Why should this one be different?
All I'm seeing is attacking of nuclear sites from the air which may or may not be enough to destroy them completely. Are they going to follow up with anything else?
Have they destroyed Hezbollah? They bombed the shit out of Lebanon a couple of years ago, too.
And this is going on while they still are cleaning up Gaza, where most of their ground troops are focused.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:24 PM (GBKbO)
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>>> experience none, however, ive read the technical docs and followed the development since forever, enough to know what I do not know, which she does not know.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (PcQFu)
I'm not claiming to be any kind of expert.
I want you, especially having "read the technical docs and followed the development since forever", to explain to me and the rest of the class why it's unpossible for more than a single bomb to remove dirt or rock cover.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (PcQFu)
I'm not claiming to be any kind of expert.
I want you, especially having "read the technical docs and followed the development since forever", to explain to me and the rest of the class why it's unpossible for more than a single bomb to remove dirt or rock cover.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:24 PM (ULPxl)
443
Areolas like silver dollar pancakes.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 04:24 PM (jc0TO)
444
PM (jc0TO)
426 425 You Morons love to argue.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (jc0TO)
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No we don't.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:22 PM (GBKbO)
Shut yo’ mouf!!!
426 425 You Morons love to argue.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (jc0TO)
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No we don't.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:22 PM (GBKbO)
Shut yo’ mouf!!!
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 13, 2025 04:24 PM (EVFZ5)
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Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at June 13, 2025 04:18 PM (okun6)
Yup, need to try the Romeo13 Doctrine. Iranians after this long are NOT innocent in their Governments actions... they have had decades to change leadership, but have not. Our Declaration of Independence is based on the Concept that a People have not just a Right, but a DUTY, to change their Government is it is doing things they don't want.
If Iran wants to act like 7th Century barbarians? Then they can live as such.
Bomb every Bridge, Factory, Power Plant, Road, Port, Merchant Ship, Truck.... everything that makes a Modern Economy function.
Hell, we KNOW where they have Phone and Data cables buried... cut them off from Modern Communications... and banking.
If they want to live like Mohamed did, then their Terms are acceptable.
Yup, need to try the Romeo13 Doctrine. Iranians after this long are NOT innocent in their Governments actions... they have had decades to change leadership, but have not. Our Declaration of Independence is based on the Concept that a People have not just a Right, but a DUTY, to change their Government is it is doing things they don't want.
If Iran wants to act like 7th Century barbarians? Then they can live as such.
Bomb every Bridge, Factory, Power Plant, Road, Port, Merchant Ship, Truck.... everything that makes a Modern Economy function.
Hell, we KNOW where they have Phone and Data cables buried... cut them off from Modern Communications... and banking.
If they want to live like Mohamed did, then their Terms are acceptable.
Posted by: Fed Judge at June 13, 2025 04:24 PM (mP0Kj)
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>>> 426 425 You Morons love to argue.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (jc0TO)
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No we don't.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:22 PM (GBKbO)
Shut up you asshoe, he's right! Except when he's wrong!!!
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (jc0TO)
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No we don't.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:22 PM (GBKbO)
Shut up you asshoe, he's right! Except when he's wrong!!!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:24 PM (ULPxl)
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Iran could live in peace and all it would require is living in peace.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (ExV1e)
Iran cannot live in peace. The Mullahs are all in on killing all Jews, and the would lose their "moral" positions faster than their nice fat rich jobs if they decided to not kill Jews. It ain't about Israel, even, it's just about keeping their fat asses in power.
The Persians hate 'em about as much as we do.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 04:12 PM (ExV1e)
Iran cannot live in peace. The Mullahs are all in on killing all Jews, and the would lose their "moral" positions faster than their nice fat rich jobs if they decided to not kill Jews. It ain't about Israel, even, it's just about keeping their fat asses in power.
The Persians hate 'em about as much as we do.
Posted by: tcn in AK at June 13, 2025 04:24 PM (a4NoL)
448
Israel has F-35I Adirs.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 13, 2025 04:24 PM (8gejw)
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had somebody bombed your house and or family , for whatever reason, would you not dedicate yourself to revenge?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (PcQFu)
Iran could live in peace and all it would require is living in peace.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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Does Iran have one of those eternal revenge cultures? I wonder if it would be possible for a pro-peace, Israel-tolerant leader to be popularly elected in Iran.
had somebody bombed your house and or family , for whatever reason, would you not dedicate yourself to revenge?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 03:49 PM (PcQFu)
Iran could live in peace and all it would require is living in peace.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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Does Iran have one of those eternal revenge cultures? I wonder if it would be possible for a pro-peace, Israel-tolerant leader to be popularly elected in Iran.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 13, 2025 04:25 PM (wbZPZ)
450
Nothing will be resolved in congress until the duelling pistols are brought out.
Posted by: Mark Kelly at June 13, 2025 04:25 PM (/U5Yz)
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So it's a nipple thread?
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Puffies for the win!
Posted by: andycanuck at June 13, 2025 04:23 PM
What are we, chopped liver?
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Puffies for the win!
Posted by: andycanuck at June 13, 2025 04:23 PM
What are we, chopped liver?
Posted by: Glass Cutters at June 13, 2025 04:25 PM (3fCc4)
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I don't think it's accurate to say KSA and Iran are enemies in the European sense of the word.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (uCjyK)
It is absolutely accurate. Iran is Shia, and KSA is Sunni. They kill each other for shits and giggles.
If Iran had nukes they would probably hit KSA right after Israel and us.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (uCjyK)
It is absolutely accurate. Iran is Shia, and KSA is Sunni. They kill each other for shits and giggles.
If Iran had nukes they would probably hit KSA right after Israel and us.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at June 13, 2025 04:25 PM (mWSu4)
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430 SoS...
You aren't capturing the target. You are neutralizing it. It's actually less than ideal to have ground forces in place since that hampers operations. And you don't need them here. The objective can be met without anyone there.
Or is the argument that if I use a tactical nuke then I have to send in a rifle company to double check...?
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:22 PM (fFFrU)
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The argument is that it's safe to assume that Iran built their facilities in ways to be protected from MOPs and assuming that MOPs are enough is just operating on hope.
Assume your enemy is smart, not dumb.
You aren't capturing the target. You are neutralizing it. It's actually less than ideal to have ground forces in place since that hampers operations. And you don't need them here. The objective can be met without anyone there.
Or is the argument that if I use a tactical nuke then I have to send in a rifle company to double check...?
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:22 PM (fFFrU)
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The argument is that it's safe to assume that Iran built their facilities in ways to be protected from MOPs and assuming that MOPs are enough is just operating on hope.
Assume your enemy is smart, not dumb.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:25 PM (GBKbO)
454
Stars and Stripes
'California Guard troops have helped Ukraine beat Russia on battlefield, Army official says,' By Doug G. Ware, Jul 13, 2023
In part, The State Partnership Program began in 1993 and aligning the California National Guard with Ukraine was one of the program’s first pairings. The program was created initially so the United States military could give defense training to new countries that formed from the breakup of the Soviet Union — such as Ukraine. Smaller ally nations with a need for defensive assistance have since joined. In return, National Guard troops get to experience training operations in various regions of the world.
“The Guard is currently partnered with more than half of the world’s nations and we expect to see continued growth in the coming years,” Zana said.
Ukrainian troops have been able to successfully fend off Russian forces in many parts of the country with substantial U.S. military training and billions of dollars in weapons and equipment. Last week, the United States pledged another round of military aid worth $800 million."
...
Last line of the article, “We’re here to advance whatever is best for both America and our allies.”
'California Guard troops have helped Ukraine beat Russia on battlefield, Army official says,' By Doug G. Ware, Jul 13, 2023
In part, The State Partnership Program began in 1993 and aligning the California National Guard with Ukraine was one of the program’s first pairings. The program was created initially so the United States military could give defense training to new countries that formed from the breakup of the Soviet Union — such as Ukraine. Smaller ally nations with a need for defensive assistance have since joined. In return, National Guard troops get to experience training operations in various regions of the world.
“The Guard is currently partnered with more than half of the world’s nations and we expect to see continued growth in the coming years,” Zana said.
Ukrainian troops have been able to successfully fend off Russian forces in many parts of the country with substantial U.S. military training and billions of dollars in weapons and equipment. Last week, the United States pledged another round of military aid worth $800 million."
...
Last line of the article, “We’re here to advance whatever is best for both America and our allies.”
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at June 13, 2025 04:25 PM (NFX2v)
455
POLITICO@politico
Democrats reclaim the American flag
What does that mean ?
Posted by: It's me donna
It means even Politico can read the polls.
Democrats reclaim the American flag
What does that mean ?
Posted by: It's me donna
It means even Politico can read the polls.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 13, 2025 04:25 PM (L/fGl)
456
Did the IDF hit Kharg Island Yet ????
Posted by: Mike Hunt at June 13, 2025 04:25 PM (J7c+Z)
457
How's the Mrs. feeling ?
Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (VE6XX)
She's been asleep much of the day, but is riding some water and 2 dry toast slices for a few hours now with no issue.
Thanks for asking.
How's the Mrs. feeling ?
Posted by: It's me donna at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (VE6XX)
She's been asleep much of the day, but is riding some water and 2 dry toast slices for a few hours now with no issue.
Thanks for asking.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 04:25 PM (Zz0t1)
458
Shut up you asshoe, he's right! Except when he's wrong!!!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:24 PM (ULPxl)
"I came here for a debate but all you've given me is an argument!"
"No I haven't."
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:24 PM (ULPxl)
"I came here for a debate but all you've given me is an argument!"
"No I haven't."
Posted by: tcn in AK at June 13, 2025 04:25 PM (a4NoL)
459
Your afternoon smile:
AZ Intel @AZ_Intel_ 15s
WATCH: Man celebrating the Iranian missiles hitting Tel Aviv, Israel on the road gets hit by a vehicle.
https://tinyurl.com/mt6cs2cf
4 seconds; violence but no gore; clearly, Allah's will!
AZ Intel @AZ_Intel_ 15s
WATCH: Man celebrating the Iranian missiles hitting Tel Aviv, Israel on the road gets hit by a vehicle.
https://tinyurl.com/mt6cs2cf
4 seconds; violence but no gore; clearly, Allah's will!
Posted by: andycanuck at June 13, 2025 04:26 PM (2yoRf)
460
>>I realize watching Russia’s shit getting blown up and shown useless, while also being monkey stomped by a third rate country and their IW upsets you, but that’s as they say too bad.
Who do you think Russia is fighting? Where do you think the weapons, money and intel that Ukraine is using is coming from?
If NATO pulled out tomorrow Ukraine would be an grease spot.
Who do you think Russia is fighting? Where do you think the weapons, money and intel that Ukraine is using is coming from?
If NATO pulled out tomorrow Ukraine would be an grease spot.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2025 04:26 PM (viF8m)
461
I kept waiting for Pritzker to reach over and grab a Klatooine paddy frog.
Posted by: Sassy Fred at June 13, 2025 04:26 PM (RMjVS)
462
Unless they are sending in troops to go down the shafts and make sure the technology is destroyed, they're hoping that their bunker busters reached low enough to actually destroy the technology.
And if they're not going in to verify and destroy, then...what's the end game?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:54 PM (GBKbO)
OR, unless Israel knows that all the boasts Iran has made about how well protected these facilities are is just bullshit.
Think out of the box.
And if they're not going in to verify and destroy, then...what's the end game?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 03:54 PM (GBKbO)
OR, unless Israel knows that all the boasts Iran has made about how well protected these facilities are is just bullshit.
Think out of the box.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at June 13, 2025 04:26 PM (g8Ew8)
463
Rhymes with a female body part.
Posted by: Seinfeld reference at June 13, 2025 04:26 PM (lIgBp)
464
experience none, however, ive read the technical docs and followed the development since forever, enough to know what I do not know, which she does not know.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (PcQFu)
All capabilities are not necessarily made public.
OPSEC....😁
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:21 PM (PcQFu)
All capabilities are not necessarily made public.
OPSEC....😁
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:26 PM (fFFrU)
465
Argument or abuse clinic, you decide.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 13, 2025 04:26 PM (8gejw)
466
Does Iran have one of those eternal revenge cultures?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 13, 2025 04:25 PM (wbZPZ)
Not nearly as all-encompassing as the Arabs do.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at June 13, 2025 04:25 PM (wbZPZ)
Not nearly as all-encompassing as the Arabs do.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at June 13, 2025 04:26 PM (mWSu4)
467
>>> Posted by: Fed Judge at June 13, 2025 04:24 PM (mP0Kj)
If the Romeo13 Doctrine is approved by Federal Judges, that's good enough for me!!!
If the Romeo13 Doctrine is approved by Federal Judges, that's good enough for me!!!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:27 PM (ULPxl)
468
Wars don't go on forever.
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 03:58 PM (jc0TO)
I tried. -- 100 Years War
Posted by: toby928 at June 13, 2025 03:58 PM (jc0TO)
I tried. -- 100 Years War
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 04:27 PM (ExV1e)
469
450 Nothing will be resolved in congress until the duelling pistols are brought out.
Posted by: Mark Kelly at June 13, 2025 04:25 PM (/U5Yz)
I thought Congresscritters used canes.
Posted by: Mark Kelly at June 13, 2025 04:25 PM (/U5Yz)
I thought Congresscritters used canes.
Posted by: tcn in AK at June 13, 2025 04:27 PM (a4NoL)
470
Soar @Soar_Earth 4h
Full HD satellite image of the Israeli airstrike on the Natanz Nuclear Facility in central Iran (13 June 2025)
I literally have no idea what I'm looking at but there seem to be an awful lot of buildings still standing.
Full HD satellite image of the Israeli airstrike on the Natanz Nuclear Facility in central Iran (13 June 2025)
I literally have no idea what I'm looking at but there seem to be an awful lot of buildings still standing.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 13, 2025 04:28 PM (/y8xj)
471
The argument is that it's safe to assume that Iran built their facilities in ways to be protected from MOPs and assuming that MOPs are enough is just operating on hope.
Assume your enemy is smart, not dumb.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:25 PM (GBKbO)
Well, even when we telegraphed what was coming, didn't they still put all their high ranking military in one place?
Assume your enemy is smart, not dumb.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:25 PM (GBKbO)
Well, even when we telegraphed what was coming, didn't they still put all their high ranking military in one place?
Posted by: Nova Local at June 13, 2025 04:28 PM (tOcjL)
472
427 - polynikes at June 13, 2025 04:22 PM
That's when the Israelis made Iran's, Russian-made, air defense system go.....POOF.
Right now, the Iranians are mostly relying on manually-guided AAA to defend their airspace; their 'air force' is a no-show.
I think we all see how THAT is working out for them...
That's when the Israelis made Iran's, Russian-made, air defense system go.....POOF.
Right now, the Iranians are mostly relying on manually-guided AAA to defend their airspace; their 'air force' is a no-show.
I think we all see how THAT is working out for them...
Posted by: CPT. Charles at June 13, 2025 04:28 PM (XjTSo)
473
Let's go out on the patio and watch the missile fight !
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at June 13, 2025 04:28 PM (NtVYv)
474
Thought the Serbs were the grudge champions.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 13, 2025 04:28 PM (8gejw)
475
So if you can drop a bomb where another one has previously landed, it can't remove any further depth?
......
In Iran, the wind just blows the sand back in.
......
In Iran, the wind just blows the sand back in.
Posted by: wth at June 13, 2025 04:28 PM (UjdFS)
476
>>> 465 Argument or abuse clinic, you decide.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 13, 2025 04:26 PM (8gejw)
*throws pies randomly*
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 13, 2025 04:26 PM (8gejw)
*throws pies randomly*
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (ULPxl)
477
If NATO pulled out tomorrow Ukraine would be an grease spot.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2025 04:26 PM (viF8m)
Yup. But Europe will fight to the last Ukrainian!
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2025 04:26 PM (viF8m)
Yup. But Europe will fight to the last Ukrainian!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (mWSu4)
478
Iran threatens to hit US bases in the Middle East..
Do it Goat Fuckers...... I beg you to do it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do it Goat Fuckers...... I beg you to do it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Mike Hunt at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (J7c+Z)
479
Thought the Serbs were the grudge champions.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 13, 2025 04:28 PM (8gejw)
Where do the Hatfield's and McCoy's rank?
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 13, 2025 04:28 PM (8gejw)
Where do the Hatfield's and McCoy's rank?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (Zz0t1)
480
Tomorrows military parade will be lit.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (/U5Yz)
481
We need a country with moral authority.
WTF??!!
Piss off Walz you suckass piece of shit.
You wouldn't know moral authority if it bit you in the ass.
Hey...remember the NCO's Creed? Yeah. I didn't think so.
WTF??!!
Piss off Walz you suckass piece of shit.
You wouldn't know moral authority if it bit you in the ass.
Hey...remember the NCO's Creed? Yeah. I didn't think so.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (W/lyH)
482
“So long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe you will be a small people, a silly people, greedy, barbarous, and cruel.” - Lawrence of Arabia
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (EVFZ5)
483
I'm not claiming to be any kind of expert.
I want you, especially having "read the technical docs and followed the development since forever", to explain to me and the rest of the class why it's unpossible for more than a single bomb to remove dirt or rock cover.
Posted by: H
nobody has said thats unpossible, however, it is the nature of your question that betrays your ignorance, the goal of bunkr busing bombs is not to remove the dirt above the target to hit the target it is to direct as much of the energy from the explosion downward towards that target, that is why the gbu 39 was a better choice for gaza than the 2000 lbers the Israelis were so fond of, it penetrates the ground and directs the energy downwards, not outwards.
even when it is exposed reinforced concrete has great strength and is hard to get through, see the nazi sub pens.
nobody has a bomb that is going to hit someting as farw underground as some the iranian sites, it is not the moab, not the gbu39.
I want you, especially having "read the technical docs and followed the development since forever", to explain to me and the rest of the class why it's unpossible for more than a single bomb to remove dirt or rock cover.
Posted by: H
nobody has said thats unpossible, however, it is the nature of your question that betrays your ignorance, the goal of bunkr busing bombs is not to remove the dirt above the target to hit the target it is to direct as much of the energy from the explosion downward towards that target, that is why the gbu 39 was a better choice for gaza than the 2000 lbers the Israelis were so fond of, it penetrates the ground and directs the energy downwards, not outwards.
even when it is exposed reinforced concrete has great strength and is hard to get through, see the nazi sub pens.
nobody has a bomb that is going to hit someting as farw underground as some the iranian sites, it is not the moab, not the gbu39.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (vn9pv)
484
478 Iran threatens to hit US bases in the Middle East..
Do it Goat Fuckers...... I beg you to do it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Mike Hunt at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (J7c+Z)
Oh yeah?
Lulz
Do it Goat Fuckers...... I beg you to do it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Mike Hunt at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (J7c+Z)
Oh yeah?
Lulz
Posted by: AlaBAMA at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (mzM2O)
485
Thought the Serbs were the grudge champions.
Posted by: Anna Puma
Macedonians have entered the chat.
Posted by: Anna Puma
Macedonians have entered the chat.
Posted by: Tonypete at June 13, 2025 04:30 PM (cYBz/)
Posted by: Mike Hunt at June 13, 2025 04:30 PM (J7c+Z)
487
467 >>> Posted by: Fed Judge at June 13, 2025 04:24 PM (mP0Kj)
If the Romeo13 Doctrine is approved by Federal Judges, that's good enough for me!!!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:27 PM (ULPxl)
LOL... MAJOR Sock Failage!
If the Romeo13 Doctrine is approved by Federal Judges, that's good enough for me!!!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:27 PM (ULPxl)
LOL... MAJOR Sock Failage!
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 13, 2025 04:30 PM (mP0Kj)
488
>>> 473 Let's go out on the patio and watch the missile fight !
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at June 13, 2025 04:28 PM (NtVYv)
We paid for most if not all of the missiles*, so it seems fair.
*perhaps not all at the same time
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at June 13, 2025 04:28 PM (NtVYv)
We paid for most if not all of the missiles*, so it seems fair.
*perhaps not all at the same time
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:30 PM (ULPxl)
489
Nood.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 13, 2025 04:30 PM (ExV1e)
490
When you've lost Tim Walz, you've lost not much at all.
Posted by: pudinhead at June 13, 2025 04:30 PM (FmapG)
491
*throws pies randomly*
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (ULPxl)
=====
Hey, are any of those apple? Gimme!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (ULPxl)
=====
Hey, are any of those apple? Gimme!
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2025 04:30 PM (q8Jo4)
492
POLITICO@politico
Democrats reclaim the American flag
What does that mean ?
Posted by: It's me donna
So Dems have officially claimed the Mexican flag as their insurrection battle flag?
Democrats reclaim the American flag
What does that mean ?
Posted by: It's me donna
So Dems have officially claimed the Mexican flag as their insurrection battle flag?
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at June 13, 2025 04:30 PM (NXz8h)
493
480 Tomorrows military parade will be lit.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (/U5Yz)
DC closed roads 2 days in advance...and let feds work from home today - something wildly unexpected...until last night explained it all...
Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (/U5Yz)
DC closed roads 2 days in advance...and let feds work from home today - something wildly unexpected...until last night explained it all...
Posted by: Nova Local at June 13, 2025 04:30 PM (tOcjL)
494
The argument is that it's safe to assume that Iran built their facilities in ways to be protected from MOPs and assuming that MOPs are enough is just operating on hope.
Assume your enemy is smart, not dumb.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:25 PM (GBKbO)
SoS...
Sure, the facilities may be reinforced. Which will be under continued stress. For a prolonged period. Design limits of which are known by combat engineers who inform strike zones. And you don't need troops to look down on a target like that and see that it's been neutralized.
Where did you get your training?
Assume your enemy is smart, not dumb.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:25 PM (GBKbO)
SoS...
Sure, the facilities may be reinforced. Which will be under continued stress. For a prolonged period. Design limits of which are known by combat engineers who inform strike zones. And you don't need troops to look down on a target like that and see that it's been neutralized.
Where did you get your training?
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:31 PM (jH5TK)
495
Israel should send in the gay gas.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 13, 2025 04:31 PM (/U5Yz)
496
>>> 477 If NATO pulled out tomorrow Ukraine would be an grease spot.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2025 04:26 PM (viF8m)
Yup. But Europe will fight to the last Ukrainian!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (mWSu4)
The EUfag commie *governments* would also love to fight to the last deplorable in their countries, but it looks like things are getting a bit sporty in some places.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2025 04:26 PM (viF8m)
Yup. But Europe will fight to the last Ukrainian!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (mWSu4)
The EUfag commie *governments* would also love to fight to the last deplorable in their countries, but it looks like things are getting a bit sporty in some places.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:31 PM (ULPxl)
497
TJM, the GBU-57 A/B is the bomb you seek.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at June 13, 2025 04:32 PM (3fCc4)
498
478 Iran threatens to hit US bases in the Middle East..
Do it Goat Fuckers...... I beg you to do it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Mike Hunt at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (J7c+Z)
I have kinda been waiting for that since 1979. It would not break my heart to see Iran eliminated as a force of evil. Curious that the CIA hadn't engineered some kind of destablization after all those years, but there ya go.
Do it Goat Fuckers...... I beg you to do it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Mike Hunt at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (J7c+Z)
I have kinda been waiting for that since 1979. It would not break my heart to see Iran eliminated as a force of evil. Curious that the CIA hadn't engineered some kind of destablization after all those years, but there ya go.
Posted by: tcn in AK at June 13, 2025 04:32 PM (a4NoL)
Posted by: Gomer Pyle at June 13, 2025 04:32 PM (J7c+Z)
500
"Seal off" is probably the strategy for something like Fordow. It's too deep for conventional explosive penetrators to hit.
But any site, no matter how deep, has to have entrances and exits, and ventilation shafts and power and comm links.
The goal is try to seal those off. That requires knowing where the well hidden access points are.
"Seal off" is probably the strategy for something like Fordow. It's too deep for conventional explosive penetrators to hit.
But any site, no matter how deep, has to have entrances and exits, and ventilation shafts and power and comm links.
The goal is try to seal those off. That requires knowing where the well hidden access points are.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at June 13, 2025 04:32 PM (w6EFb)
501
> Tomorrows military parade will be lit.
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I'll watch... for the near pornographic display of Army armor.
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I'll watch... for the near pornographic display of Army armor.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 13, 2025 04:32 PM (Q4IgG)
502
Meanwhile, north of the border . . .
Suicide Hotline Operator Encourages Disabled Canadian To Consider Assisted Suicide
-
Just rename it Suicide Cheerleader Hotline.
Suicide Hotline Operator Encourages Disabled Canadian To Consider Assisted Suicide
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Just rename it Suicide Cheerleader Hotline.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, And You're Not at June 13, 2025 04:32 PM (L/fGl)
503
, even when we telegraphed what was coming, didn't they still put all their high ranking military in one place?
Posted by: Nova Local at June 13, 2025 04:28 PM (tOcjL)
I'd call that a point scored.
Posted by: Nova Local at June 13, 2025 04:28 PM (tOcjL)
I'd call that a point scored.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:32 PM (jH5TK)
504
All capabilities are not necessarily made public.
OPSEC....😁
Posted by: W
yeah if thats so then were not having our secret bunkr busters go after iran were saving those for the chinese
Israelis are certainly good with weapons design, if its something that is not unpossible why did they not build some bunkr busters to get rid of iranian facilities
OPSEC....😁
Posted by: W
yeah if thats so then were not having our secret bunkr busters go after iran were saving those for the chinese
Israelis are certainly good with weapons design, if its something that is not unpossible why did they not build some bunkr busters to get rid of iranian facilities
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:32 PM (vn9pv)
505
I thought Congresscritters used canes.
Posted by: tcn in AK
.......
Canes at ten walker lengths.
Posted by: tcn in AK
.......
Canes at ten walker lengths.
Posted by: wth at June 13, 2025 04:32 PM (UjdFS)
506
Assume your enemy is smart, not dumb.
Good advice but since the Israelis apparently had people on the inside, maybe they didn't have to assume at all.
Good advice but since the Israelis apparently had people on the inside, maybe they didn't have to assume at all.
Posted by: Oddbob at June 13, 2025 04:32 PM (/y8xj)
507
491 *throws pies randomly*
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (ULPxl)
=====
Hey, are any of those apple? Gimme!
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2025 04:30 PM (q8Jo4)
Does seem like kind of a waste of good pie, doncha think?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (ULPxl)
=====
Hey, are any of those apple? Gimme!
Posted by: Jordan61 at June 13, 2025 04:30 PM (q8Jo4)
Does seem like kind of a waste of good pie, doncha think?
Posted by: tcn in AK at June 13, 2025 04:33 PM (a4NoL)
508
Israelis are certainly good with weapons design, if its something that is not unpossible why did they not build some bunkr busters to get rid of iranian facilities
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:32 PM (vn9pv)
I thought you knew what you didn't know.
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:32 PM (vn9pv)
I thought you knew what you didn't know.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:34 PM (jH5TK)
509
I think they attacked with the understanding that it would be a setback, but not actually ending the program which is outside their airstrike abilities.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (GBKbO)
Ending the program means getting rid of the mullahs, so that makes no sense.
Israel has made it clear that the goal was to end the possibility of an Iranian nuclear weapon. They will succeed, and Iran will have to start over.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 13, 2025 04:15 PM (GBKbO)
Ending the program means getting rid of the mullahs, so that makes no sense.
Israel has made it clear that the goal was to end the possibility of an Iranian nuclear weapon. They will succeed, and Iran will have to start over.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at June 13, 2025 04:34 PM (mWSu4)
510
Point of order. Mace graduated from The Citadel. Kinda well-known for it.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 13, 2025 03:51 PM (Wnv9h)
_________________________________
Well then, mission accomplished. Because everything I've seen about Nancy Mace suggests that her ultimate goal is be "well-known."
I don't care which side of the aisle she come down on most of the time. I despise people like her. She's sitting in a "representative" position and most of her efforts are for self-benefit in a warped type of way.
I prefer reluctant politicians. Not self-promoting side show circus types.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 13, 2025 03:51 PM (Wnv9h)
_________________________________
Well then, mission accomplished. Because everything I've seen about Nancy Mace suggests that her ultimate goal is be "well-known."
I don't care which side of the aisle she come down on most of the time. I despise people like her. She's sitting in a "representative" position and most of her efforts are for self-benefit in a warped type of way.
I prefer reluctant politicians. Not self-promoting side show circus types.
Posted by: Orson at June 13, 2025 04:34 PM (dIske)
511
Israelis are certainly good with weapons design, if its something that is not unpossible why did they not build some bunkr busters to get rid of iranian facilities
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:32 PM (vn9pv)
I thought you knew what you didn't know.
Posted by: W
how is that contradictory to what I said?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:32 PM (vn9pv)
I thought you knew what you didn't know.
Posted by: W
how is that contradictory to what I said?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:35 PM (vn9pv)
512
>>> 483
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goal of bunkr busing bombs is not to remove the dirt above the target to hit the target it is to direct as much of the energy from the explosion downward towards that target
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Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (vn9pv)
Ok, great. It only took you what, a dozen comments to answer the fucking question. After WitchDoktor gave that answer back at 335.
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goal of bunkr busing bombs is not to remove the dirt above the target to hit the target it is to direct as much of the energy from the explosion downward towards that target
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Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:29 PM (vn9pv)
Ok, great. It only took you what, a dozen comments to answer the fucking question. After WitchDoktor gave that answer back at 335.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:36 PM (ULPxl)
513
how is that contradictory to what I said?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:35 PM (vn9pv)
Do you know what the Israelis have built?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:35 PM (vn9pv)
Do you know what the Israelis have built?
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:36 PM (jH5TK)
514
>> If NATO pulled out tomorrow Ukraine would be an grease spot.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2025 04:26 PM (viF8m)
Z is a greasy little dictator. But we’ve dealt with a lot of them over the years. Don’t let your disdain for him get in the way of realizing that Russia is the aggressor. I won’t retread those details again. But as you can see from Russia’s demands to settle the conflict, which reads more like a hostage demand list, they are still focused on the objectives they were after when they started invading Ukraine. They don’t want a neutral Ukraine. They want to take over the country and use it as a launching pad for further misadventures. You would think at least a few people would get the clue about what’s going on when they keep pulling out the nuke card. This isn’t in the end about Ukraine, it’s about Russia using every weapon at their disposal to remain relevant in a world where they are completely irrelevant.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 13, 2025 04:26 PM (viF8m)
Z is a greasy little dictator. But we’ve dealt with a lot of them over the years. Don’t let your disdain for him get in the way of realizing that Russia is the aggressor. I won’t retread those details again. But as you can see from Russia’s demands to settle the conflict, which reads more like a hostage demand list, they are still focused on the objectives they were after when they started invading Ukraine. They don’t want a neutral Ukraine. They want to take over the country and use it as a launching pad for further misadventures. You would think at least a few people would get the clue about what’s going on when they keep pulling out the nuke card. This isn’t in the end about Ukraine, it’s about Russia using every weapon at their disposal to remain relevant in a world where they are completely irrelevant.
Posted by: Marcus T at June 13, 2025 04:39 PM (g88zo)
515
Facebook, VoteVets's post, 3h
"While Trump throws himself a birthday parade, Democrats are reclaiming the flag.
Veterans in Congress are standing up to say what needs to be said:
Patriotism doesn’t belong to one party. The flag belongs to the people—and sure as hell not to a draft-dodging wannabe dictator."
Politico, 'Democrats reclaim the American flag' Ambitious Democrats are leaning on their credentials as veterans to draw a contrast with Republicans. Bu Adam Wren, 6/13/25
In part, "Democrats’ newest approach to win back voters is a fresh embrace of the nation’s oldest symbol.
Two days ahead of Flag Day, when President Donald Trump’s military parade will run through the streets of Washington, Democratic Reps. Pat Ryan (D-N.Y.) and Chris Deluzio (D-Pa.) fanned out Thursday afternoon to give a gift to their colleagues to unite them."
(Stepping back to 2017. Last week at the Philly commie/union protest, few women were holding American flags & one telling the press how it's so loved.
One of the cable tv rags & witches (Wallace, perhaps) had guests saying it had been OK for MAGA to have non-American flags - such as the Confederate flag - at their protests in the past.)
"While Trump throws himself a birthday parade, Democrats are reclaiming the flag.
Veterans in Congress are standing up to say what needs to be said:
Patriotism doesn’t belong to one party. The flag belongs to the people—and sure as hell not to a draft-dodging wannabe dictator."
Politico, 'Democrats reclaim the American flag' Ambitious Democrats are leaning on their credentials as veterans to draw a contrast with Republicans. Bu Adam Wren, 6/13/25
In part, "Democrats’ newest approach to win back voters is a fresh embrace of the nation’s oldest symbol.
Two days ahead of Flag Day, when President Donald Trump’s military parade will run through the streets of Washington, Democratic Reps. Pat Ryan (D-N.Y.) and Chris Deluzio (D-Pa.) fanned out Thursday afternoon to give a gift to their colleagues to unite them."
(Stepping back to 2017. Last week at the Philly commie/union protest, few women were holding American flags & one telling the press how it's so loved.
One of the cable tv rags & witches (Wallace, perhaps) had guests saying it had been OK for MAGA to have non-American flags - such as the Confederate flag - at their protests in the past.)
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at June 13, 2025 04:39 PM (NFX2v)
516
how is that contradictory to what I said?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:35 PM (vn9pv)
Do you know what the Israelis have built?
Posted by: W
nothing I said is contradictory,
I know the Israelis are good with weapons design,
I askd about what I do not know, why didnt they use super bunkr busters if they have super bunkr busters?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:35 PM (vn9pv)
Do you know what the Israelis have built?
Posted by: W
nothing I said is contradictory,
I know the Israelis are good with weapons design,
I askd about what I do not know, why didnt they use super bunkr busters if they have super bunkr busters?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:39 PM (vn9pv)
517
aw crap there's a NOOD!!!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at June 13, 2025 04:39 PM (ULPxl)
518
Ok, great. It only took you what, a dozen comments to answer the fucking question. After WitchDoktor gave that answer back at 335.
Posted by: H
how many times do you need to be told something?
Posted by: H
how many times do you need to be told something?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:40 PM (vn9pv)
519
I askd about what I do not know, why didnt they use super bunkr busters if they have super bunkr busters?
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:39 PM (vn9pv)
I'd say your arguments are that because you don't know, it must be "unpossible."
Posted by: n at June 13, 2025 04:39 PM (vn9pv)
I'd say your arguments are that because you don't know, it must be "unpossible."
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:41 PM (jH5TK)
520
aw crap there's a NOOD!!!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
Argh! A surprise attack!!🤣🤣🤣
See you all there.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
Argh! A surprise attack!!🤣🤣🤣
See you all there.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at June 13, 2025 04:41 PM (jH5TK)
521
I find it unbelievable that Iran doesn't already have a nuclear weapon. How can that be? I don't believe that with billions of dollars thay haven't laid hands on some weapons grade uranium.
I'm praying I'm wrong.
I'm praying I'm wrong.
Posted by: steven at June 13, 2025 04:42 PM (AY3ny)
522
Dems are reclaiming the flag and then burning it.
Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2025 04:43 PM (VofaG)
523
Posted by: steven at June 13, 2025 04:42 PM (AY3n
According to Israel they do have a 'primitive' nuclear bomb.
According to Israel they do have a 'primitive' nuclear bomb.
Posted by: polynikes at June 13, 2025 04:45 PM (VofaG)
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