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Eight years after Trump’s 2016 Victory, any Company Blindsided by Tariffs on Chinese Imports is Willfully Negligent
I’ve spent most of my career working with private and small businesses. I still do. There is not one successful or well-run business with whom I’m familiar that is suddenly caught off guard by the latest round of tariffs on Chinese imports. But such companies exist, apparently, and the anti-Trump media loves to tell the sad stories of these companies being blindsided by the tariffs imposed on their Chinese imports.
Donald Trump campaigned in 2016 on de-coupling from China, to be aided by the use of tariffs. It was seven years ago, in March of 2018, that Donald Trump first imposed a round of tariffs on Chinese imports. He made it clear that the initial 25% tariff was just a start in his endeavor for the U.S. to fully eliminate its reliance on China as a trade partner on whom we had a dangerous reliance. After 2018, it would take an almost willful blindness for a company not to have taken actions to mitigate the risk of relying on China as a sole supplier. The Wall Street Journal ran this sob story a few days ago: “How Tariffs Are Crushing Small Businesses: Owners are laying off staff and tapping personal savings, hoping to hold out until a trade deal with China; an $8,752 fee on a $5,649 order” [WSJ – 5/11/2025]Around the country, small businesses that import goods made in China are taking actions—big and small—to try to outlast the current 145% tariff regime on items from that country. But many are worried that their companies won’t survive. “Nobody in power seems to care about small business,” said Scott Anderson, owner of 5 Star North, which works with Chinese manufacturers to make its products ranging from acrylic markers to tiki torches. “At this point the only option I see is selling out the rest of what we have and shutting our doors.”Sourcing exclusively from China is a concentration risk unto itself, without even factoring in its authoritarian government, slave labor, and beating war drums. Add to that the supply chain bottlenecks, canal backups, port problems, etc that have affected overseas shipping, and there are numerous ways that concentrated reliance on China should have caused indigestion. But on top of all that, it has been seven years since tariffs were first levied on China. An explicit purpose of that tariff was to incentivize companies such as this one to stop sourcing its tiki torches from China. Whether Trump was in the right or wrong doesn’t change the reality of the tariff regimen. The writing has been on the wall that this company needed to de-couple itself from China. Charles Gasparino of the New York Post recently tweeted: “Breaking: In talking to sources who run small businesses the pause w/ China came just as their companies were on the precipice of disaster since they source so much of their material from China and the containers coming from China were coming back empty. If you want to know why we were as desperate for a deal as the Chinese, it’s because small businesses — a key MAGA constituency— was about to get crushed.” Again, I know the owners of many small businesses who have spent the past eight years disengaging from China. They are not about to get crushed. Many are booming due to re-shoring. Hampton Prescott had an excellent response to Mr. Gasparino: “I feel for people in this predicament, but if after Trade War 1.0, Covid, and general evolution of the CCP into a serious threat you didn’t diversify your supply chains away from China, then this is on you for failing to hedge against a substantial business risk.”
I feel for people in this predicament, but if after Trade War 1.0, Covid and general evolution of the CCP into a serious threat you didn’t diversify your supply chains away from China, then that is on you for failing to hedge against a substantial business risk https://t.co/vQsZaaTpbj
— Hampton Prescott ���� (@hampprescott) May 12, 2025
Very well put. [buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]
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1st?
Posted by: Bulg at May 23, 2025 11:00 AM (77rzZ)
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Yess!! I'll call 'em.
Posted by: Bulg at May 23, 2025 11:01 AM (77rzZ)
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Morning, Buck!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 23, 2025 11:01 AM (2UnvF)
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'Em status: Called.
Posted by: Bulg at May 23, 2025 11:02 AM (77rzZ)
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This willowing crap is getting out of hand !
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:02 AM (VofaG)
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Hey...remember when everyone was really mad about covid and thought that people should be punished for releasing the deadliest pandemic in the history of the universe upon mankind?
Didn't that virus originate from a virology lab in China?
I don't know why I bring this up. Completely unrelated. My brain is just firing off in random directions.
I'm probably dying.
Didn't that virus originate from a virology lab in China?
I don't know why I bring this up. Completely unrelated. My brain is just firing off in random directions.
I'm probably dying.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:03 AM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Bulg at May 23, 2025 11:03 AM (77rzZ)
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Anything Trump wants turns TDS brains to mush
Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2025 11:03 AM (ypFCm)
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Peter Zeihan, who I've been ignoring lately because of his anti-Trumpism and refusal to acknowledge the catastrophe that was the Biden admin, thinks China is about to descend into chaos and warlordism. He's usually a bit hysterical, but whatever is happening in China isn't going to be good for business. Thus, if you didn't already decouple, things were going to get hard regardless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RNdKvoD9XA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RNdKvoD9XA
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:04 AM (s8j++)
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I bet all the companies that were blind sided by Covid that used JIT inventory system still use JIT.
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:04 AM (VofaG)
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I'm probably dying.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:03 AM (GBKbO)
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Can I have your stuff?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:03 AM (GBKbO)
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Can I have your stuff?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 23, 2025 11:04 AM (2UnvF)
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8 Anything Trump wants turns TDS brains to mush
Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2025 11:03 AM (ypFCm)
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"Let's get rid of artificial food colorings."
-Trump
*guzzles red dye #9 to pwn Trump*
-some random Democrat congressman looking for clicks and fundraising
Posted by: Skip at May 23, 2025 11:03 AM (ypFCm)
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"Let's get rid of artificial food colorings."
-Trump
*guzzles red dye #9 to pwn Trump*
-some random Democrat congressman looking for clicks and fundraising
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:04 AM (GBKbO)
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11 I'm probably dying.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:03 AM (GBKbO)
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Can I have your stuff?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 23, 2025 11:04 AM (2UnvF)
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Will my movies find a good home?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:03 AM (GBKbO)
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Can I have your stuff?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 23, 2025 11:04 AM (2UnvF)
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Will my movies find a good home?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:05 AM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Bulg at May 23, 2025 11:05 AM (77rzZ)
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Wonder how Harbor Freight is going to weather the tariff war?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 23, 2025 11:06 AM (Q4IgG)
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I saw a comment from some big wig at Ford last month complaining about tariffs and changing suppliers.
Ford guy said we can't do this on a dime...we need time.
And...what? Trump ran on this and did some of it in 2016.
He was ahead in the polling for pretty much all of the race, and he won in Nov.
It is arguably a violation of fiduciary responsibility that any company depending on Chinese manufacturing didn't start working on a plan to change suppliers the day after the election
Ford guy said we can't do this on a dime...we need time.
And...what? Trump ran on this and did some of it in 2016.
He was ahead in the polling for pretty much all of the race, and he won in Nov.
It is arguably a violation of fiduciary responsibility that any company depending on Chinese manufacturing didn't start working on a plan to change suppliers the day after the election
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:06 AM (t0Rmr)
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The worm in the Apple.
Trump Says 25% Tariff Must be Paid by Apple on iPhones Not Made in the U.S.
Trump Says 25% Tariff Must be Paid by Apple on iPhones Not Made in the U.S.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 23, 2025 11:06 AM (L/fGl)
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Most of these leftist or profit at any cost Companies are now like the guy who killed his parents whining that he's an orphan.
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:06 AM (VofaG)
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Wait, aren't the CHY - NA actual tariffs now down to 10% (plus 20% for not stopping Fentynal) for a total of a 30% tariff? NOT 145%?
That's what I've read
That's what I've read
Posted by: LASue at May 23, 2025 11:06 AM (lCppi)
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Will my movies find a good home?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:05 AM (GBKbO)
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Depends. Would you consider a pawn shop a good home?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:05 AM (GBKbO)
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Depends. Would you consider a pawn shop a good home?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 23, 2025 11:06 AM (2UnvF)
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Eight years after Trump’s 2016 Victory, any Company Blindsided by Tariffs on Chinese Imports is Willfully Negligent
They should just hire more illegals.
They should just hire more illegals.
Posted by: t-bird at May 23, 2025 11:07 AM (tJ2Kx)
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Didn't that virus originate from a virology lab in China?
In 2020 that was racist hate speech that had been scientifically disproven.
Odd how in 2025 its old news that no one in the FNM cares about.
In 2020 that was racist hate speech that had been scientifically disproven.
Odd how in 2025 its old news that no one in the FNM cares about.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:07 AM (t0Rmr)
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The media cannot help themselves. They want Trump destroyed for hurting their feelings and they will latch onto anything they can do facilitate that.
Posted by: NR Pax at May 23, 2025 11:08 AM (svLOV)
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22 Didn't that virus originate from a virology lab in China?
In 2020 that was racist hate speech that had been scientifically disproven.
Odd how in 2025 its old news that no one in the FNM cares about.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:07 AM (t0Rmr)
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"We must punish China for covid!"
"Okay. We'll tariff the shit out of them so that their industrial export economy collapses."
"But my Fisher Price children's toys!"
In 2020 that was racist hate speech that had been scientifically disproven.
Odd how in 2025 its old news that no one in the FNM cares about.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:07 AM (t0Rmr)
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"We must punish China for covid!"
"Okay. We'll tariff the shit out of them so that their industrial export economy collapses."
"But my Fisher Price children's toys!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:08 AM (GBKbO)
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Today's WSJ front page- Ralph Lauren to raise prices in response to tariffs. (*yawn*)
So we now know the "high-end" RL clothes and furniture comes from CHYNA.
So we now know the "high-end" RL clothes and furniture comes from CHYNA.
Posted by: LASue at May 23, 2025 11:08 AM (lCppi)
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Willowed:
*sings*
Texas, our Texas! All hail the mighty State!
Texas, our Texas! So wonderful so great!
Boldest and grandest, Withstanding ev'ry test;
O Empire wide and glorious, You stand supremely blest.
God bless you Texas! And keep you brave and strong,
That you may grow in power and worth,
Thro'out the ages long!
Learn it, Love it, Live it, Sing it.
*sings*
Texas, our Texas! All hail the mighty State!
Texas, our Texas! So wonderful so great!
Boldest and grandest, Withstanding ev'ry test;
O Empire wide and glorious, You stand supremely blest.
God bless you Texas! And keep you brave and strong,
That you may grow in power and worth,
Thro'out the ages long!
Learn it, Love it, Live it, Sing it.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 23, 2025 11:08 AM (iJfKG)
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23 The media cannot help themselves. They want Trump destroyed for hurting their feelings and they will latch onto anything they can do facilitate that.
Posted by: NR Pax at May 23, 2025 11:08 AM (svLOV)
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*apply logic to every Republican president since the rise of the MSM*
Posted by: NR Pax at May 23, 2025 11:08 AM (svLOV)
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*apply logic to every Republican president since the rise of the MSM*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:08 AM (GBKbO)
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This willowing crap is getting out of hand !
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:02 AM (VofaG)
To paraphrase Hampton Prescott: “I feel for people who get willowed prior to a thread being posted at a known time, but if after all these years of the rant posting at 10am central, you didn’t recognize the imminence of monkeydom, then this is on you.”
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:02 AM (VofaG)
To paraphrase Hampton Prescott: “I feel for people who get willowed prior to a thread being posted at a known time, but if after all these years of the rant posting at 10am central, you didn’t recognize the imminence of monkeydom, then this is on you.”
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:09 AM (ExV1e)
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I don't believe any of these sob stories. They're all ops and fake stories planted by filthy globalists and probably the CCP itself.
I'd love to know who this "Scott Anderson" of "5-Star North" really is and who he's really affiliated with. I'm sure he's a leftwing MAGA-hating plant. I'd also love to know his position on coal mining, oil, fracking, and all the "dirty" jobs that Obama and Biden put out of business.
"$8,752 fee on a $5,649 order"? Get the fuck out of here. They're just making this up.
Even if there is some truth to these sob stories, so fucking what? Lots of businesses fail for lots of reasons. Learn to code, bitch!
I'd love to know who this "Scott Anderson" of "5-Star North" really is and who he's really affiliated with. I'm sure he's a leftwing MAGA-hating plant. I'd also love to know his position on coal mining, oil, fracking, and all the "dirty" jobs that Obama and Biden put out of business.
"$8,752 fee on a $5,649 order"? Get the fuck out of here. They're just making this up.
Even if there is some truth to these sob stories, so fucking what? Lots of businesses fail for lots of reasons. Learn to code, bitch!
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 23, 2025 11:09 AM (iFTx/)
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In 2020 that was racist hate speech that had been scientifically disproven.
Odd how in 2025 its old news that no one in the FNM cares about.
It's understandable. They've moved on to how Trump lied to them about Joe Biden's condition, and why is he trying to demolish Harvard?
Odd how in 2025 its old news that no one in the FNM cares about.
It's understandable. They've moved on to how Trump lied to them about Joe Biden's condition, and why is he trying to demolish Harvard?
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:09 AM (s8j++)
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One company I worked at tried to get into the Chinese market.
Chinese law required you to partner with a local company. And sure enough that local company stole our IP and started competing against us.
A few years later another VP came up with a brilliant new idea. Let's get into the Chinese market. And you'll be shocked to know the new local company we partnered with...stole our IP and started competing against us.
And no, neither of these VPs paid a price for their stupidity.
Chinese law required you to partner with a local company. And sure enough that local company stole our IP and started competing against us.
A few years later another VP came up with a brilliant new idea. Let's get into the Chinese market. And you'll be shocked to know the new local company we partnered with...stole our IP and started competing against us.
And no, neither of these VPs paid a price for their stupidity.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:09 AM (t0Rmr)
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What ever happened to Willow?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 23, 2025 11:09 AM (2UnvF)
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China has been talking about Invading Taiwan, WTF do you think is gonna happen when that happens, you really trade is gonna keep flowing.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at May 23, 2025 11:10 AM (FCrpy)
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Nobody in power seems to care about small business,” said Scott Anderson, owner of 5 Star North, which works with Chinese manufacturers to make its products ranging from acrylic markers to tiki torches. “At this point the only option I see is selling out the rest of what we have and shutting our doors.”
This is a small "business" in the loosest sense.
Buying Chinese shit and selling it on Amazon I guess is technically a business, but not in any traditional sense.
This is a small "business" in the loosest sense.
Buying Chinese shit and selling it on Amazon I guess is technically a business, but not in any traditional sense.
Posted by: If We're Being Honest at May 23, 2025 11:10 AM (qFqzC)
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Lenin said: “The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.”
Trump is an America First Nationalist who wants to stop this. Small businesses have the most to gain actually.
I'm working on an online book "100 Americans Who Should Be Famous (But Aren't)". I only have a few villains. GE's Neutron Jack Welch, who led the charge to outsource is one. Hey Jack, you want to save a dime on making a light bulb, build your own navy. [Jack's success at GE was actually about "leveraging light bulbs"-- more on that later]
Trump is an America First Nationalist who wants to stop this. Small businesses have the most to gain actually.
I'm working on an online book "100 Americans Who Should Be Famous (But Aren't)". I only have a few villains. GE's Neutron Jack Welch, who led the charge to outsource is one. Hey Jack, you want to save a dime on making a light bulb, build your own navy. [Jack's success at GE was actually about "leveraging light bulbs"-- more on that later]
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 23, 2025 11:11 AM (Gqoy+)
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The execs at my company would be surprised if the sun rose in the east. Business owners or leaders are just people. Most are average many are imbeciles. Few are exceptional.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:11 AM (7YTFo)
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I saw a comment from some big wig at Ford last month complaining about tariffs and changing suppliers.
Ford guy said we can't do this on a dime...we need time.
And...what? Trump ran on this and did some of it in 2016.
He was ahead in the polling for pretty much all of the race, and he won in Nov.
It is arguably a violation of fiduciary responsibility that any company depending on Chinese manufacturing didn't start working on a plan to change suppliers the day after the election
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:06 AM (t0Rmr)
Of course they were. I know a builder of large chips that was game-planning this scenario more than 1 year ago. Trump said what he would do, and now he's doing it. Hardly a shocking turn of events.
Ford guy said we can't do this on a dime...we need time.
And...what? Trump ran on this and did some of it in 2016.
He was ahead in the polling for pretty much all of the race, and he won in Nov.
It is arguably a violation of fiduciary responsibility that any company depending on Chinese manufacturing didn't start working on a plan to change suppliers the day after the election
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:06 AM (t0Rmr)
Of course they were. I know a builder of large chips that was game-planning this scenario more than 1 year ago. Trump said what he would do, and now he's doing it. Hardly a shocking turn of events.
Posted by: LASue at May 23, 2025 11:11 AM (lCppi)
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"We must punish China for covid!"
"Okay. We'll tariff the shit out of them so that their industrial export economy collapses."
"But my Fisher Price children's toys!"/i]
Oh its worse then that...
The left 2000-2024: American shouldn't be allowed to buy all this cheap crap from China it is bad for the environment!
The left 2025 on: It is my right as an American to buy cheap crap from China. Its right there in the Constitution you fascists!
"We must punish China for covid!"
"Okay. We'll tariff the shit out of them so that their industrial export economy collapses."
"But my Fisher Price children's toys!"/i]
Oh its worse then that...
The left 2000-2024: American shouldn't be allowed to buy all this cheap crap from China it is bad for the environment!
The left 2025 on: It is my right as an American to buy cheap crap from China. Its right there in the Constitution you fascists!
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:11 AM (t0Rmr)
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I deal exclusively with a few factories in China primarily because it is impossible to manufacture my products here. Overall, I'm supportive of Trump's tariff initiative because of the generations of weak and stupid trade deals our government has made, however, the total 185% tariffs slapped on China are ridiculous. A recent order I filled supplied Navy Seals with vital equipment and as much as their purchasing people tried, couldn't get it made anywhere else. Lots of small businesses deal with China and cannot find and retool other foreign sources economically. Bringing manufacturing back to the US can be done, but not through tariffs.
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 11:11 AM (JRfbP)
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What ever happened to Willow?
Posted by: Duke Lowell
She actually showed up not too long ago. I think it was when JJ announced his tumor, and she posted a comment wishing him well.
Posted by: Duke Lowell
She actually showed up not too long ago. I think it was when JJ announced his tumor, and she posted a comment wishing him well.
Posted by: Bulg at May 23, 2025 11:12 AM (77rzZ)
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Wonder how Harbor Freight is going to weather the tariff war?
If they can get China to manufacture even crappier stuff- you know, the stuff that used to get rejected for Harbor Freight- they should be able to keep prices the same.
If they can get China to manufacture even crappier stuff- you know, the stuff that used to get rejected for Harbor Freight- they should be able to keep prices the same.
Posted by: t-bird at May 23, 2025 11:12 AM (9Niia)
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Then: It's my body! You can't tell me what to do!!!
Now: Why didn't you stop me from getting my entire face tattooed?!!!
Now: Why didn't you stop me from getting my entire face tattooed?!!!
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:12 AM (s8j++)
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Posted by: If We're Being Honest at May 23, 2025 11:10 AM (qFqzC)
Yeah they're just a broker for the Chinese.
Yeah they're just a broker for the Chinese.
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:12 AM (VofaG)
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38 Oh its worse then that...
The left 2000-2024: American shouldn't be allowed to buy all this cheap crap from China it is bad for the environment!
The left 2025 on: It is my right as an American to buy cheap crap from China. Its right there in the Constitution you fascists!
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:11 AM (t0Rmr)
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I was taking it from the soft-right position. The left has never wanted to blame China for covid.
The left 2000-2024: American shouldn't be allowed to buy all this cheap crap from China it is bad for the environment!
The left 2025 on: It is my right as an American to buy cheap crap from China. Its right there in the Constitution you fascists!
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:11 AM (t0Rmr)
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I was taking it from the soft-right position. The left has never wanted to blame China for covid.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:12 AM (GBKbO)
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BTW, the Minnesota Supreme Court just legalized women going bare-breasted in public.
The court noted:
“As other courts have recognized, the idea that female breasts are primarily sexual is rooted in stereotypes.”
Yeah, that's why Paleolithic cave painters frequently depicted large-breasted women.
"Stereotypes."
The downside, of course, is that the only women who will take their shirts off in public are the women who you absolutely don't want to take their shirts off in public.
The upside, of course, will be that it will fun to see what happens to the first woman in Little Mogadishu in Minneapolis who tries that.
The court noted:
“As other courts have recognized, the idea that female breasts are primarily sexual is rooted in stereotypes.”
Yeah, that's why Paleolithic cave painters frequently depicted large-breasted women.
"Stereotypes."
The downside, of course, is that the only women who will take their shirts off in public are the women who you absolutely don't want to take their shirts off in public.
The upside, of course, will be that it will fun to see what happens to the first woman in Little Mogadishu in Minneapolis who tries that.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 23, 2025 11:12 AM (xTIDn)
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11 I'm probably dying.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Didn’t you die after the tax cuts and net neutrality?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Didn’t you die after the tax cuts and net neutrality?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:12 AM (7YTFo)
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 23, 2025 11:12 AM (jbnUc)
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Chinese manufacturers to make its products ranging from acrylic markers to tiki torches.
FBI Patriot Front members hardest hit.
FBI Patriot Front members hardest hit.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:12 AM (t0Rmr)
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apply logic to every Republican president since the rise of the MSM
But once they are out of office, they are praising him about how wonderful and reasonable he was. Mind you, I don't think they'll be so kind with Trump and they will have to figure out how to hate him and the next Republican President at the same time.
But once they are out of office, they are praising him about how wonderful and reasonable he was. Mind you, I don't think they'll be so kind with Trump and they will have to figure out how to hate him and the next Republican President at the same time.
Posted by: NR Pax at May 23, 2025 11:13 AM (svLOV)
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47 7
‘ I'm probably dying.’
You’re a day closer than you were yesterday.
Have a nice day!
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 23, 2025 11:12 AM (jbnUc)
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Existential dread is so last year.
Now, 19 days from 40, I've successfully started ignoring it again.
Feels good.
‘ I'm probably dying.’
You’re a day closer than you were yesterday.
Have a nice day!
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 23, 2025 11:12 AM (jbnUc)
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Existential dread is so last year.
Now, 19 days from 40, I've successfully started ignoring it again.
Feels good.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:13 AM (GBKbO)
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Gasparino is the Cramer of Chuck Todds.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at May 23, 2025 11:14 AM (ZmEVT)
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:14 AM (t0Rmr)
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49 apply logic to every Republican president since the rise of the MSM
But once they are out of office, they are praising him about how wonderful and reasonable he was. Mind you, I don't think they'll be so kind with Trump and they will have to figure out how to hate him and the next Republican President at the same time.
Posted by: NR Pax at May 23, 2025 11:13 AM (svLOV)
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We've already seen signs.
The earliest I can remember was early last year when people still acted like DeSantis had a shot in the primary. There were headlines saying that Trump was bad, but DeSantis was worse. That's always the first step.
The contemporary version is saying that Trump is bad, but Vance is worse.
But once they are out of office, they are praising him about how wonderful and reasonable he was. Mind you, I don't think they'll be so kind with Trump and they will have to figure out how to hate him and the next Republican President at the same time.
Posted by: NR Pax at May 23, 2025 11:13 AM (svLOV)
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We've already seen signs.
The earliest I can remember was early last year when people still acted like DeSantis had a shot in the primary. There were headlines saying that Trump was bad, but DeSantis was worse. That's always the first step.
The contemporary version is saying that Trump is bad, but Vance is worse.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:14 AM (GBKbO)
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Overall, I'm supportive of Trump's tariff initiative because of the generations of weak and stupid trade deals our government has made, however, the total 185% tariffs slapped on China are ridiculous.
Do you remember WHY the tariff went to 185%?
Do you remember WHY the tariff went to 185%?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:15 AM (ExV1e)
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‘ JIT inventory system’
Depends on supply streams that are 100% reliable, ie not the real world.
‘ JIT inventory system’
Depends on supply streams that are 100% reliable, ie not the real world.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 23, 2025 11:15 AM (jbnUc)
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CNBC and many people in general view “business owners” as some grandiose people. Surely they know what’s best and whatever thy say must be true. How many headlines do you see with “business owners say” implying that they’re an authority on things.
Much like “experts”.
It’s high time to stop giving a fuck what they say or think.
Much like “experts”.
It’s high time to stop giving a fuck what they say or think.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:15 AM (7YTFo)
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54 Do you remember WHY the tariff went to 185%?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:15 AM (ExV1e)
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"Because that was Trump's end goal, and when he pulled back on it, that means he gave up."
-like...so many people
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:15 AM (ExV1e)
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"Because that was Trump's end goal, and when he pulled back on it, that means he gave up."
-like...so many people
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:15 AM (GBKbO)
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It's hilarious. I have to wait until I am almost 70 for these, the best times, of my life.
Oh, to be in your 20s right now. What opportunities abound?
Oh, to be in your 20s right now. What opportunities abound?
Posted by: no one of any consequence at May 23, 2025 11:15 AM (ZmEVT)
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26 Willowed:
*sings*
Texas, our Texas! All hail the mighty State!
Texas, our Texas! So wonderful so great!
Boldest and grandest, Withstanding ev'ry test;
O Empire wide and glorious, You stand supremely blest.
God bless you Texas! And keep you brave and strong,
That you may grow in power and worth,
Thro'out the ages long!
Learn it, Love it, Live it, Sing it.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 23, 2025 11:08 AM (iJfKG)
Oh, HELL yeah. We learned that in grade school too, along with a few others. I remember "Bluebonnets in Texas", and of course "Eyes of Texas".
Which now makes me ask another question of my fellow Morons: Did you learn your State Song in school?
*sings*
Texas, our Texas! All hail the mighty State!
Texas, our Texas! So wonderful so great!
Boldest and grandest, Withstanding ev'ry test;
O Empire wide and glorious, You stand supremely blest.
God bless you Texas! And keep you brave and strong,
That you may grow in power and worth,
Thro'out the ages long!
Learn it, Love it, Live it, Sing it.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 23, 2025 11:08 AM (iJfKG)
Oh, HELL yeah. We learned that in grade school too, along with a few others. I remember "Bluebonnets in Texas", and of course "Eyes of Texas".
Which now makes me ask another question of my fellow Morons: Did you learn your State Song in school?
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 23, 2025 11:16 AM (wtvvX)
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I am glad that I got my plantation shutters installed in February prior to the tariffs. I didn't know the window treatment lady I ordered them from sourced her stuff from China but really should have known that was the case even though the ones I put up in my prior home were made in USA. . Im sure her mark up was huge because they weren't inexpensive. Maybe another reason I made stupid assumption they were made here.
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:16 AM (VofaG)
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Everyone in the US must be compensated by the taxpayers for taking losses due to risky decisions. Benefits reaped from taking the risk they can keep, however. It's in the Constitution!
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 23, 2025 11:17 AM (Dv3i1)
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Overall, I'm supportive of Trump's tariff initiative because of the generations of weak and stupid trade deals our government has made, however, the total 185% tariffs slapped on China are ridiculous.
When it became clear COVID came from China I wanted a nuclear response. 185% tariffs are rather underwhelming, but Trump is more a finance guy then a war guy.
And something else I'll point out, China is also the influenza reservoir for the world. Blockade them and you'd see a serious reduction in non-Wu Flu as well.
When it became clear COVID came from China I wanted a nuclear response. 185% tariffs are rather underwhelming, but Trump is more a finance guy then a war guy.
And something else I'll point out, China is also the influenza reservoir for the world. Blockade them and you'd see a serious reduction in non-Wu Flu as well.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:17 AM (t0Rmr)
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I am generally in favor of tariffs. I’m Not in favor of the on again off again implementation of them. It’s like pick a lane. Tariffs or no tariffs. And stick with with that decision.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:17 AM (7YTFo)
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I saw Existential Dread open for Hooters Akimbo at the Hollywood Bowl in '82
Posted by: Polka will never die at May 23, 2025 11:17 AM (uxAXv)
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I deal exclusively with a few factories in China primarily because it is impossible to manufacture my products here. Overall, I'm supportive of Trump's tariff initiative because of the generations of weak and stupid trade deals our government has made, however, the total 185% tariffs slapped on China are ridiculous. A recent order I filled supplied Navy Seals with vital equipment and as much as their purchasing people tried, couldn't get it made anywhere else. Lots of small businesses deal with China and cannot find and retool other foreign sources economically. Bringing manufacturing back to the US can be done, but not through tariffs.
I think a lot of people think there will be no pain on our side, because they haven't experienced it yet. They will. For example, I predict a massive tiki torch shortage, unless, you know, Vietnam and India don't step up.
Seriously, though, since you're making things for Seals, I'll ask you a question. Would you rather we have this fight now, or when the PRC gets militarily frisky, and those same Seals have to go fight and die?
I think a lot of people think there will be no pain on our side, because they haven't experienced it yet. They will. For example, I predict a massive tiki torch shortage, unless, you know, Vietnam and India don't step up.
Seriously, though, since you're making things for Seals, I'll ask you a question. Would you rather we have this fight now, or when the PRC gets militarily frisky, and those same Seals have to go fight and die?
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:17 AM (s8j++)
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The Left: "Can't we just surrender to China?"
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 23, 2025 11:17 AM (WPL6O)
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"Because that was Trump's end goal, and when he pulled back on it, that means he gave up."
-like...so many people
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:15 AM (GBKbO)
I was just wondering if they recalled that Trump started with something considerably more moderate and added to it when Chynah bumped their tariffs - twice, if memory serves.
-like...so many people
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:15 AM (GBKbO)
I was just wondering if they recalled that Trump started with something considerably more moderate and added to it when Chynah bumped their tariffs - twice, if memory serves.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:17 AM (ExV1e)
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This willowing crap is getting out of hand !
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:02 AM (VofaG)
To paraphrase Hampton Prescott: “I feel for people who get willowed prior to a thread being posted at a known time, but if after all these years of the rant posting at 10am central, you didn’t recognize the imminence of monkeydom, then this is on you.”
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:09 AM (ExV1e)
Fiiiiiiiiiiine.
I'll bear the terrible shame of having been willowed.
I don't know how I'll do it. Many men and women throughout history have been broken upon the Wheel of Willow Shame, but somehow I'll survive.
Fortunately, in Our Enlightened Society, Willow Abusers are no longer forced to trudge through the streets barefoot, dressed in a blue Speedo and a Tricorn Hat while onlookers pelt them with Tapir Poop.
How? Oh, how shall I seek forgiveness! How?
Anyway...
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:02 AM (VofaG)
To paraphrase Hampton Prescott: “I feel for people who get willowed prior to a thread being posted at a known time, but if after all these years of the rant posting at 10am central, you didn’t recognize the imminence of monkeydom, then this is on you.”
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:09 AM (ExV1e)
Fiiiiiiiiiiine.
I'll bear the terrible shame of having been willowed.
I don't know how I'll do it. Many men and women throughout history have been broken upon the Wheel of Willow Shame, but somehow I'll survive.
Fortunately, in Our Enlightened Society, Willow Abusers are no longer forced to trudge through the streets barefoot, dressed in a blue Speedo and a Tricorn Hat while onlookers pelt them with Tapir Poop.
How? Oh, how shall I seek forgiveness! How?
Anyway...
Posted by: naturalfake at May 23, 2025 11:18 AM (iJfKG)
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A remake of Bubba Hotep?
Danny Glover and Mel Gibson Reunite for Lethal Weapon’s Fifth Installment
Danny Glover and Mel Gibson Reunite for Lethal Weapon’s Fifth Installment
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 23, 2025 11:18 AM (L/fGl)
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I am generally in favor of tariffs. I’m Not in favor of the on again off again implementation of them. It’s like pick a lane. Tariffs or no tariffs. And stick with with that decision.
Businesses want certainty.
Tariff uncertainty tells them to start using American suppliers. And yes, I expect this is also part of Trump's plan
Businesses want certainty.
Tariff uncertainty tells them to start using American suppliers. And yes, I expect this is also part of Trump's plan
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:18 AM (t0Rmr)
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"Chinese manufacturers to make its products ranging from acrylic markers to tiki torches. "
so, the chinese were responsible for Charlottesville? the chinese are white supremist?
so, the chinese were responsible for Charlottesville? the chinese are white supremist?
Posted by: Sturmtoddler at May 23, 2025 11:18 AM (v6XNT)
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There are three tariffs that add up to the 185%. One is the original 25% tariff from the first administration. The second is variable depending on the product and the third was the 125% that Trump pulled out of his ass to shock the system.
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 11:19 AM (JRfbP)
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Oh, HELL yeah. We learned that in grade school too, along with a few others. I remember "Bluebonnets in Texas", and of course "Eyes of Texas".
Clears throat...
The stars at night, are big and bright...
Clears throat...
The stars at night, are big and bright...
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:19 AM (ExV1e)
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Yeah. Spatula City is going to have to raise their prices 100%
Posted by: no one of any consequence at May 23, 2025 11:19 AM (ZmEVT)
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10 I bet all the companies that were blind sided by Covid that used JIT inventory system still use JIT.
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:04 AM (VofaG)
Over half of my inventory is in JIT. We're probably not working today due to ONE part that isn't available.
I think I will do a dig on JIT today. I didn't realize it was a CCP system. I have noticed there are some discrepencies between my numbers and their numbers on the website, which I don't use much as they show things I know I don't have. I've just been calling it a shit system
Maybe when I go in today to be sent home I'll try and work in a trip up to the facility and put some eyes on. I know there are issues that need to be addressed and I need the hours.
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:04 AM (VofaG)
Over half of my inventory is in JIT. We're probably not working today due to ONE part that isn't available.
I think I will do a dig on JIT today. I didn't realize it was a CCP system. I have noticed there are some discrepencies between my numbers and their numbers on the website, which I don't use much as they show things I know I don't have. I've just been calling it a shit system
Maybe when I go in today to be sent home I'll try and work in a trip up to the facility and put some eyes on. I know there are issues that need to be addressed and I need the hours.
Posted by: Reforger at May 23, 2025 11:19 AM (xcIvR)
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6. I'm probably dying.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
I can clap my hands like Tinkerbell and say, Boobs! Would that be a cure?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
I can clap my hands like Tinkerbell and say, Boobs! Would that be a cure?
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at May 23, 2025 11:19 AM (NFX2v)
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so, the chinese were responsible for Charlottesville? the chinese are white supremist?
By American standards China is super duper racist.
so, the chinese were responsible for Charlottesville? the chinese are white supremist?
By American standards China is super duper racist.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:19 AM (t0Rmr)
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69 A remake of Bubba Hotep?
Danny Glover and Mel Gibson Reunite for Lethal Weapon’s Fifth Installment
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 23, 2025 11:18 AM (L/fGl)
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It almost happened about 4 years ago. It's been shelved.
Gibson's shooting The Passion sequel in late summer this year. He doesn't have time to star in or direct (he had signed to direct at the request of Richard Donner, who died) Lethal Weapon 5.
Danny Glover and Mel Gibson Reunite for Lethal Weapon’s Fifth Installment
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 23, 2025 11:18 AM (L/fGl)
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It almost happened about 4 years ago. It's been shelved.
Gibson's shooting The Passion sequel in late summer this year. He doesn't have time to star in or direct (he had signed to direct at the request of Richard Donner, who died) Lethal Weapon 5.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:19 AM (GBKbO)
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Oh, HELL yeah. We learned that in grade school too, along with a few others. I remember "Bluebonnets in Texas", and of course "Eyes of Texas".
My daughter went to UT Austin, where she double majored in business and opera. As a result, she graduated in the winter months, and was selected as the one to sing "Eyes of Texas" at the graduation ceremony.
My daughter went to UT Austin, where she double majored in business and opera. As a result, she graduated in the winter months, and was selected as the one to sing "Eyes of Texas" at the graduation ceremony.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:20 AM (s8j++)
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Shenandoah and Boll Weevil were my favorites.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at May 23, 2025 11:20 AM (ZmEVT)
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This is a small "business" in the loosest sense.
Buying Chinese shit and selling it on Amazon I guess is technically a business, but not in any traditional sense.
Middlemen for the slave-owning Communist Party. They should be proud.
Buying Chinese shit and selling it on Amazon I guess is technically a business, but not in any traditional sense.
Middlemen for the slave-owning Communist Party. They should be proud.
Posted by: t-bird at May 23, 2025 11:20 AM (GUvny)
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Gibson's shooting The Passion sequel in late summer this year. He doesn't have time to star in or direct (he had signed to direct at the request of Richard Donner, who died) Lethal Weapon 5.
Is this the part where he comes back with a sword?
Is this the part where he comes back with a sword?
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:20 AM (t0Rmr)
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76 6. I'm probably dying.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
I can clap my hands like Tinkerbell and say, Boobs! Would that be a cure?
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at May 23, 2025 11:19 AM (NFX2v)
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I might have gotten some this morning. Maybe it's just the come down from that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
I can clap my hands like Tinkerbell and say, Boobs! Would that be a cure?
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at May 23, 2025 11:19 AM (NFX2v)
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I might have gotten some this morning. Maybe it's just the come down from that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:20 AM (GBKbO)
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2018 25% tariffs were on furniture and some other products. Not everyone was affected by this.
Even with those tariffs, I kept production in China until 2024. Covid made international travel freaking impossible, so it was very hard to move production.
Now, obviously, I tried to make up for lost time and moved about 1/3 of my production to Vietnam now
However, here are some reasons people would keep buying from China.
1) Intertia and laziness...yes...but why?
2) China has crazy low prices. They are so low that my Vietnam suppliers complain and they sometimes can't even match them.
3) So, logically, if you buy at a higher price from Vietnam, someone is still buying from China and will win the business...
4) Some product areas China is much, much stronger than anywhere else. Electronics. magnets. Steel.
5) Why? I personally think there are playing games with subsidies and super low currency. Taiwan does the same, etc., Its kinda hard to compete against the chinese government. or any government.
So these are reasons beyond being slow and stupid why someone might keep relying on China.
Also, Mexico is close but....crime.'
Even with those tariffs, I kept production in China until 2024. Covid made international travel freaking impossible, so it was very hard to move production.
Now, obviously, I tried to make up for lost time and moved about 1/3 of my production to Vietnam now
However, here are some reasons people would keep buying from China.
1) Intertia and laziness...yes...but why?
2) China has crazy low prices. They are so low that my Vietnam suppliers complain and they sometimes can't even match them.
3) So, logically, if you buy at a higher price from Vietnam, someone is still buying from China and will win the business...
4) Some product areas China is much, much stronger than anywhere else. Electronics. magnets. Steel.
5) Why? I personally think there are playing games with subsidies and super low currency. Taiwan does the same, etc., Its kinda hard to compete against the chinese government. or any government.
So these are reasons beyond being slow and stupid why someone might keep relying on China.
Also, Mexico is close but....crime.'
Posted by: Harun at May 23, 2025 11:21 AM (IuIym)
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I bet all the companies that were blind sided by Covid that used JIT inventory system still use JIT.
A small publicly-owned utility in my area definitely changed policy - it used to try to maintain lean inventories of needed equipment, but after numerous supply chain disruptions (which kept occurring long after Covid), it now acquires equipment basically whenever it can, and maintains equipment stocks designed to ride out any future disruptions.
A small publicly-owned utility in my area definitely changed policy - it used to try to maintain lean inventories of needed equipment, but after numerous supply chain disruptions (which kept occurring long after Covid), it now acquires equipment basically whenever it can, and maintains equipment stocks designed to ride out any future disruptions.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 23, 2025 11:21 AM (xTIDn)
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"$8,752 fee on a $5,649 order"? Get the fuck out of here. They're just making this up.
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Maybe resail price would have brought in $20,000. So their profit margin shrinks, unless they raise prices. No one in all of history has ever had to do this before Trump's tarrifs.
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Maybe resail price would have brought in $20,000. So their profit margin shrinks, unless they raise prices. No one in all of history has ever had to do this before Trump's tarrifs.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 23, 2025 11:21 AM (Dv3i1)
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The fight is not between left and right, it's between globalists and America First types. It is never so clearly exposed than it is on trade issues.
Globalists are fine with middle America being hollowed out and manufacturing sent abroad as long as it means they get cheap shit from wherever, China included. They either don't realize or don't care that this will lead to our doom. They will leave that to future generations to worry about.
The reason we had a thriving middle class after WWII was primarily because we made our own stuff and kept our money here and the middle class boomed. Contrary to what some insist, some of us boomers want our country back and thriving for the next generations. This is the greatest country in the world by far and I'm sick of us being the world's piggybank and doormat. America First.
Globalists are fine with middle America being hollowed out and manufacturing sent abroad as long as it means they get cheap shit from wherever, China included. They either don't realize or don't care that this will lead to our doom. They will leave that to future generations to worry about.
The reason we had a thriving middle class after WWII was primarily because we made our own stuff and kept our money here and the middle class boomed. Contrary to what some insist, some of us boomers want our country back and thriving for the next generations. This is the greatest country in the world by far and I'm sick of us being the world's piggybank and doormat. America First.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2025 11:21 AM (viF8m)
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73 Oh, HELL yeah. We learned that in grade school too, along with a few others. I remember "Bluebonnets in Texas", and of course "Eyes of Texas".
Clears throat...
The stars at night, are big and bright...
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:19 AM (ExV1e)
Good grief!
I also left out "The Yellow Rose of Texas".
Clears throat...
The stars at night, are big and bright...
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:19 AM (ExV1e)
Good grief!
I also left out "The Yellow Rose of Texas".
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 23, 2025 11:21 AM (wtvvX)
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I can clap my hands like Tinkerbell and say, Boobs! Would that be a cure? /i]
Hey there guys...I have something to show you.
Well...two things!
Hey there guys...I have something to show you.
Well...two things!
Posted by: Trigglypuff conferencing in from a MN park at May 23, 2025 11:21 AM (t0Rmr)
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IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE EVERY CULTURE IS 100 TIMES MORE RACIST THAN AMERICA.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at May 23, 2025 11:21 AM (ZmEVT)
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When it became clear COVID came from China I wanted a nuclear response. 185% tariffs are rather underwhelming, but Trump is more a finance guy then a war guy.
Nope.
IIRC, the initial tariff was 67%. The China said, "we'll boost our tariff to retaliate." Trump said, "I can boost too." And so it went.
Until China went to all the other countries in the world and said, "Join with us against the US," and they all just laughed.
Nope.
IIRC, the initial tariff was 67%. The China said, "we'll boost our tariff to retaliate." Trump said, "I can boost too." And so it went.
Until China went to all the other countries in the world and said, "Join with us against the US," and they all just laughed.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:21 AM (ExV1e)
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Good topic and writing, Buck, but throwing in a gratuitous pic of a flaming wind turbine or vehicle conflagration would let me know it was a Friday.
Posted by: Up In Smoke at May 23, 2025 11:22 AM (G5+As)
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The left Up until 5 mins ago; corporate greed is out of hand.
Now: Oh no tariffs will mean Walmart’s profits will fall. Trump must be impeached.
Now: Oh no tariffs will mean Walmart’s profits will fall. Trump must be impeached.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:22 AM (7YTFo)
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Wonder how Harbor Freight is going to weather the tariff war?
Posted by: Martini Farmer
You might want to check where the item is made... A lot of the HF stuff is sourced from Taiwan.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
You might want to check where the item is made... A lot of the HF stuff is sourced from Taiwan.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 23, 2025 11:22 AM (RgXBJ)
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How many of you are commenting from your 100% US manufactured computers and phones? Pretty sure everyone who isn't is just an end-user and profit source for the or the slave-owning Communist Party. They should be proud, right Patriots?
Posted by: Xander Crews at May 23, 2025 11:23 AM (rEmVK)
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The left Up until 5 mins ago; corporate greed is out of hand.
Now: Oh no tariffs will mean Walmart’s profits will fall. Trump must be impeached.
The left looted the treasury for 4 years and took the money and put it in the stock market.
And...it is funny to see them now complain about stock prices...
Now: Oh no tariffs will mean Walmart’s profits will fall. Trump must be impeached.
The left looted the treasury for 4 years and took the money and put it in the stock market.
And...it is funny to see them now complain about stock prices...
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:23 AM (t0Rmr)
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My daughter went to UT Austin, where she double majored in business and opera. As a result, she graduated in the winter months, and was selected as the one to sing "Eyes of Texas" at the graduation ceremony.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:20 AM (s8j++)
Even as an Aggie-ish graduate, I gotta admit that had to be awesome.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:20 AM (s8j++)
Even as an Aggie-ish graduate, I gotta admit that had to be awesome.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 23, 2025 11:23 AM (wtvvX)
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Schedule yours today!
FDA Panel to Meet To Discuss Whether COVID Shot Updates Are Needed for Next Fall/Winter
FDA Panel to Meet To Discuss Whether COVID Shot Updates Are Needed for Next Fall/Winter
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 23, 2025 11:23 AM (L/fGl)
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91 Until China went to all the other countries in the world and said, "Join with us against the US," and they all just laughed.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:21 AM (ExV1e)
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"Europe, will you let us flood your market with our cheap shit?"
"We're crazy, but we're not stupid. If you want to send us penniless Muslims, though, give us a call."
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:21 AM (ExV1e)
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"Europe, will you let us flood your market with our cheap shit?"
"We're crazy, but we're not stupid. If you want to send us penniless Muslims, though, give us a call."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:23 AM (GBKbO)
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"Seriously, though, since you're making things for Seals, I'll ask you a question. Would you rather we have this fight now, or when the PRC gets militarily frisky, and those same Seals have to go fight and die?
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:17 AM (s8j++)"
China and Russia (China is my supplier, Russia used to be my largest customer prior to sanctions) are both far more interested in trade than any military action. People need to realize that the last thing any foreign power wants is a conflict that costs money.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:17 AM (s8j++)"
China and Russia (China is my supplier, Russia used to be my largest customer prior to sanctions) are both far more interested in trade than any military action. People need to realize that the last thing any foreign power wants is a conflict that costs money.
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 11:24 AM (JRfbP)
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There are three tariffs that add up to the 185%. One is the original 25% tariff from the first administration. The second is variable depending on the product and the third was the 125% that Trump pulled out of his ass to shock the system.
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 11:19 AM (JRfbP)
So you didn't notice China bumping tariffs in retaliation... just Trump being reckless.... gotcha.
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 11:19 AM (JRfbP)
So you didn't notice China bumping tariffs in retaliation... just Trump being reckless.... gotcha.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:24 AM (ExV1e)
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How many of you are commenting from your 100% US manufactured computers and phones? Pretty sure everyone who isn't is just an end-user and profit source for the or the slave-owning Communist Party. They should be proud, right Patriots?
Good point. We should all just give up and stop trying to fix the problem.
Good point. We should all just give up and stop trying to fix the problem.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:24 AM (s8j++)
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One other factor: sheer laziness.
China makes it easy to find factories with alibaba. Try to find factories in Indonesia or Vietnam....its way harder.
And Chinese trading companies and factories respond quickly, have low minimums, and have a lot of experience - they can make importing so much easier for newbie or even someone with limited experience.
I've been importing since 1991, so I have the "old skills" of trying to find new suppliers. This helped in Vietnam. But for younger people, Alibaba is just so easy for people.
"convenience" - its why people buy from 7-11, too.
China makes it easy to find factories with alibaba. Try to find factories in Indonesia or Vietnam....its way harder.
And Chinese trading companies and factories respond quickly, have low minimums, and have a lot of experience - they can make importing so much easier for newbie or even someone with limited experience.
I've been importing since 1991, so I have the "old skills" of trying to find new suppliers. This helped in Vietnam. But for younger people, Alibaba is just so easy for people.
"convenience" - its why people buy from 7-11, too.
Posted by: Harun at May 23, 2025 11:24 AM (IuIym)
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The downside, of course, is that the only women who will take their shirts off in public are the women who you absolutely don't want to take their shirts off in public.
This is the falsification proof of Ron White's "See 'Em All" theory.
This is the falsification proof of Ron White's "See 'Em All" theory.
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 23, 2025 11:24 AM (Aqu9a)
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Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 11:11 AM (JRfbP)
Learn to code .
Or maybe its the kick in the pants needed to source from somewhere else rather than our arch commie enemy that doesn't allow us equal economic rights and steals our tech.
sounds like the perfect opportunity for a lot of start up businesses. If venture capitalists can invest millions into a start us that makes talking babies then certainly can take a chance on investing on manufacturing products essential to our national security.
Learn to code .
Or maybe its the kick in the pants needed to source from somewhere else rather than our arch commie enemy that doesn't allow us equal economic rights and steals our tech.
sounds like the perfect opportunity for a lot of start up businesses. If venture capitalists can invest millions into a start us that makes talking babies then certainly can take a chance on investing on manufacturing products essential to our national security.
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:24 AM (VofaG)
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102 Good point. We should all just give up and stop trying to fix the problem.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:24 AM (s8j++)
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Only the pure can comment on a problem.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:24 AM (s8j++)
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Only the pure can comment on a problem.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:24 AM (GBKbO)
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i like the taste of runny shit
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at May 23, 2025 11:25 AM (Ft+0v)
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I bet all the companies that were blind sided by Covid that used JIT inventory system still use JIT.
I liked the high-caste Indian who had expensive dinners so she could denounce rich white females for being racist.
Because no one is less racist than a high-caste Indian.
I liked the high-caste Indian who had expensive dinners so she could denounce rich white females for being racist.
Because no one is less racist than a high-caste Indian.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 23, 2025 11:25 AM (xTIDn)
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Even if tariffs on Chy-nah stick long term they’ll move production to Vietnam or Indonesia. Chinese crap made from Chinese parts by Chinese owned companies but assembled in Vietnam.
Doesn’t help American workers. It has to be worldwide tariffs not country specific for it to have an effect.
Doesn’t help American workers. It has to be worldwide tariffs not country specific for it to have an effect.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:25 AM (7YTFo)
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"Good point. We should all just give up and stop trying to fix the problem."
You're all for fixing the problem when it's other people who need to make the sacrifice. What are you doing, personally? Certainly not giving up Chinese sourced and manufactured electronics.
You're all for fixing the problem when it's other people who need to make the sacrifice. What are you doing, personally? Certainly not giving up Chinese sourced and manufactured electronics.
Posted by: Xander Crews at May 23, 2025 11:26 AM (rEmVK)
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How many of you are commenting from your 100% US manufactured computers and phones?
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Can you point me to a US made phone that is available for sale?
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Can you point me to a US made phone that is available for sale?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:26 AM (7YTFo)
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China and Russia (China is my supplier, Russia used to be my largest customer prior to sanctions) are both far more interested in trade than any military action. People need to realize that the last thing any foreign power wants is a conflict that costs money.
If that were true, China wouldn't be spending hundreds of billions of dollars every year to fend off a nonexistent threat from us. They want to replace us as the world's military superpower.
If that were true, China wouldn't be spending hundreds of billions of dollars every year to fend off a nonexistent threat from us. They want to replace us as the world's military superpower.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:26 AM (s8j++)
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My daughter went to UT Austin, where she double majored in business and opera
That is a unique double major.
That is a unique double major.
Posted by: Kratwurst at May 23, 2025 11:26 AM (nIRE6)
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>>Doesn’t help American workers. It has to be worldwide tariffs not country specific for it to have an effect.
Probably why Trump is imposing worldwide tariffs.
Probably why Trump is imposing worldwide tariffs.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2025 11:26 AM (viF8m)
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"Tariffs or no tariffs. And stick with with that decision."
He's negotiating. Art of the deal, baby!
Even as to China, we always had the upper hand but didn't use it because our betters sold us out (and have been for 50 years).
He's negotiating. Art of the deal, baby!
Even as to China, we always had the upper hand but didn't use it because our betters sold us out (and have been for 50 years).
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 23, 2025 11:26 AM (Gqoy+)
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Western Lensman@WesternLensman
Nancy Pelosi: “My whole mission in politics is about the children."
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Millions and millions of dead babies.
Nancy Pelosi: “My whole mission in politics is about the children."
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Millions and millions of dead babies.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 23, 2025 11:26 AM (L/fGl)
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Peter Zeihan, who I've been ignoring lately because of his anti-Trumpism and refusal to acknowledge the catastrophe that was the Biden admin, thinks China is about to descend into chaos and warlordism. He's usually a bit hysterical, but whatever is happening in China isn't going to be good for business. Thus, if you didn't already decouple, things were going to get hard regardless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RNdKvoD9XA
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:04 AM (s8j++)
Same here. He's always Trump bashing now or some kind of dig. I've stopped watching him completely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RNdKvoD9XA
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:04 AM (s8j++)
Same here. He's always Trump bashing now or some kind of dig. I've stopped watching him completely.
Posted by: Beartooth at May 23, 2025 11:26 AM (dLmtu)
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I think I will do a dig on JIT today. I didn't realize it was a CCP system.
It was Japanese- Toyota, I think- who really worked it out. Swept over Europe as JIT in the 80's, when I was working there. Really, REALLY, depends on your upstream suppliers and infrastructure being absolutely reliable. In other words, it's fragile.
It was Japanese- Toyota, I think- who really worked it out. Swept over Europe as JIT in the 80's, when I was working there. Really, REALLY, depends on your upstream suppliers and infrastructure being absolutely reliable. In other words, it's fragile.
Posted by: t-bird at May 23, 2025 11:26 AM (tJ2Kx)
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"Made in Japan" >>> "Made in Taiwan" >>> "Made in Mexico" >>> "Made in Vietnam" >>> "Made in Chy-Na"
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 23, 2025 11:27 AM (wtvvX)
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I have never felt the urge to rush out and buy acrylic markers or Tiki torches.
But there is a song...
https://youtu.be/r2ZkgpRd5kM
But there is a song...
https://youtu.be/r2ZkgpRd5kM
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 23, 2025 11:27 AM (wTp6q)
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Also, for anyone wondering why I don't buy from America, I actually visited a local factory for laser cut metal products.
Their quotes were about 1.5X retail price.
Yes, they were ABOVE RETAIL PRICE.
So I assume they only make low run custom stuff for urgent customers who can't wait. or something like that.
Their quotes were about 1.5X retail price.
Yes, they were ABOVE RETAIL PRICE.
So I assume they only make low run custom stuff for urgent customers who can't wait. or something like that.
Posted by: Harun at May 23, 2025 11:27 AM (IuIym)
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Can you point me to a US made phone that is available for sale?
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Guess you should have figured that out. Eight years after Trump’s 2016 Victory, any Individual Blindsided by Tariffs on Chinese Imports is Willfully Negligent
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Guess you should have figured that out. Eight years after Trump’s 2016 Victory, any Individual Blindsided by Tariffs on Chinese Imports is Willfully Negligent
Posted by: Xander Crews at May 23, 2025 11:28 AM (rEmVK)
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Because no one is less racist than a high-caste Indian.
I one town I lived in there was one black family. Over the years I lived there though there was mass migration from China and India.
One of the black kids got in trouble at school and low and behold we suddenly had a new "anti-racist" group. Which was led and staffed completely by...Indians. Who denounced racism against "all people of color" and mostly just used the group to harass the rest of the people in the town for fake muh raycissms against Indians.
Because no one is less racist than a high-caste Indian.
I one town I lived in there was one black family. Over the years I lived there though there was mass migration from China and India.
One of the black kids got in trouble at school and low and behold we suddenly had a new "anti-racist" group. Which was led and staffed completely by...Indians. Who denounced racism against "all people of color" and mostly just used the group to harass the rest of the people in the town for fake muh raycissms against Indians.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:28 AM (t0Rmr)
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It's not like Trump said what he was going to do for years....
Posted by: steevy at May 23, 2025 11:28 AM (YwEeS)
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50
‘ Now, 19 days from 40, I've successfully started ignoring it again.’
I remember turning 40.
Hey! Why did my calendar speed up?
‘ Now, 19 days from 40, I've successfully started ignoring it again.’
I remember turning 40.
Hey! Why did my calendar speed up?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 23, 2025 11:28 AM (jbnUc)
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Didn't we gear up during covid to produce a shit ton of respirators domestically in short order?
Maybe that's not a good example, but do we completely lack the industrial base to replace a lot of this chinese stuff, or is it more waiting to see where the tariffs will settle first?
Maybe that's not a good example, but do we completely lack the industrial base to replace a lot of this chinese stuff, or is it more waiting to see where the tariffs will settle first?
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at May 23, 2025 11:28 AM (UBKzV)
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There are brokers lining up right now in Vietnam and other places who are simply acting as a middleman for China manufacturing. They charge a fee to import the goods from China and send them on to the US with a "made in Vietnam" label.
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 11:29 AM (JRfbP)
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Probably why Trump is imposing worldwide tariffs.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2025 11:26 AM (viF8m)
I did t think I needed to explicitly say equal worldwide tariffs.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2025 11:26 AM (viF8m)
I did t think I needed to explicitly say equal worldwide tariffs.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:29 AM (7YTFo)
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People need to realize that the last thing any foreign power wants is a conflict that costs money.
If you're not profiting off of conflict, you're doing it wrong.
If you're not profiting off of conflict, you're doing it wrong.
Posted by: The Military-Industrial-Media-Gov't Complex at May 23, 2025 11:29 AM (p0167)
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You're all for fixing the problem when it's other people who need to make the sacrifice. What are you doing, personally? Certainly not giving up Chinese sourced and manufactured electronics.
I have a very expensive American desktop. Are some of the components from China? Almost certainly. That's why we're in the mess we're in. That is NOT a reason not to deal with a very real and looming problem.
I have a very expensive American desktop. Are some of the components from China? Almost certainly. That's why we're in the mess we're in. That is NOT a reason not to deal with a very real and looming problem.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:29 AM (s8j++)
Posted by: 496 at May 23, 2025 11:29 AM (GjxrJ)
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Guess you should have figured that out. Eight years after Trump’s 2016 Victory, any Individual Blindsided by Tariffs on Chinese Imports is Willfully Negligent
Posted by: Xander Crews at May 23, 2025 11:28 AM (rEmVK)
Im sure you think you've made some type of point in your head .
Posted by: Xander Crews at May 23, 2025 11:28 AM (rEmVK)
Im sure you think you've made some type of point in your head .
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:30 AM (VofaG)
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It was Japanese- Toyota, I think- who really worked it out. Swept over Europe as JIT in the 80's, when I was working there. Really, REALLY, depends on your upstream suppliers and infrastructure being absolutely reliable. In other words, it's fragile.
Kanban. Toyota insisted that their suppliers set up plants near Toyota factories, to reduce supply problems due to transportation.
Kanban. Toyota insisted that their suppliers set up plants near Toyota factories, to reduce supply problems due to transportation.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 23, 2025 11:30 AM (xTIDn)
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I bet all the companies that were blind sided by Covid that used JIT inventory system still use JIT.
I liked the high-caste Indian who had expensive dinners so she could denounce rich white females for being racist.
Because no one is less racist than a high-caste Indian.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 23, 2025 11:25 AM (xTIDn)
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Saira Rao. Born in USA to very affluent Indians. I'm not sure those dinners were a real thing. I'll bet they were just staged fake bullshit to try to generate attention and drive her book sales.
I liked the high-caste Indian who had expensive dinners so she could denounce rich white females for being racist.
Because no one is less racist than a high-caste Indian.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 23, 2025 11:25 AM (xTIDn)
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Saira Rao. Born in USA to very affluent Indians. I'm not sure those dinners were a real thing. I'll bet they were just staged fake bullshit to try to generate attention and drive her book sales.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 23, 2025 11:30 AM (iFTx/)
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>>Nancy Pelosi: “My whole mission in politics is about the children."
I would love to hear her logic for that statement. . .
I would love to hear her logic for that statement. . .
Posted by: Lizzy at May 23, 2025 11:30 AM (F/B4x)
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Only the pure can comment on a problem.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:24 AM (GBKbO)
On the plus side, I personally manufactured all the components of my personal computer. I did so using raw materials harvested from my own property.
On the down side, I'm an inveterate liar.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:24 AM (GBKbO)
On the plus side, I personally manufactured all the components of my personal computer. I did so using raw materials harvested from my own property.
On the down side, I'm an inveterate liar.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:31 AM (ExV1e)
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>>You're all for fixing the problem when it's other people who need to make the sacrifice. What are you doing, personally? Certainly not giving up Chinese sourced and manufactured electronics.
We all will be, you as well, or they will cost more.
Trump put out a statement today saying he told Apple a long time ago they will either be making their products in the or be paying tariffs to import their goods.
So yea, we are all in this.
We all will be, you as well, or they will cost more.
Trump put out a statement today saying he told Apple a long time ago they will either be making their products in the or be paying tariffs to import their goods.
So yea, we are all in this.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2025 11:31 AM (viF8m)
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It’s a bad faith argument to say “you’re a hypocrite because you own a Chinese made phone and support Chinese tarriffs ” when virtually every phone available to purchase is Chinese.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:31 AM (7YTFo)
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"If that were true, China wouldn't be spending hundreds of billions of dollars every year to fend off a nonexistent threat from us. They want to replace us as the world's military superpower.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:26 AM (s8j++)"
That is what the NeoCons believe. If it's true, we should just launch the nukes now before they build up anymore.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:26 AM (s8j++)"
That is what the NeoCons believe. If it's true, we should just launch the nukes now before they build up anymore.
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 11:31 AM (JRfbP)
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:31 AM (VofaG)
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Why are so few of these companies that rely on Chinese crap not contemplating making the same crap here? I'm willing to entertain increased prices for certain things if it means less unemployment.
I think the unemployed basement dweller costs me more in the long run anyway.
I think the unemployed basement dweller costs me more in the long run anyway.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 23, 2025 11:31 AM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 23, 2025 11:32 AM (L/fGl)
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It has to be worldwide tariffs not country specific for it to have an effect.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:25 AM (7YTFo)
Have you considered applying for an advisory position with the Commerce Department?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:25 AM (7YTFo)
Have you considered applying for an advisory position with the Commerce Department?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:32 AM (ExV1e)
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My daughter went to UT Austin, where she double majored in business and opera
That is a unique double major.
Music is nice, and she's really good at it, but she realized early on that the life of an opera star (of which there are very few) was not for her. She's been very successful at business, and it pays a lot better than opera.
That is a unique double major.
Music is nice, and she's really good at it, but she realized early on that the life of an opera star (of which there are very few) was not for her. She's been very successful at business, and it pays a lot better than opera.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:32 AM (s8j++)
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Good post, Buck. Thank you.
Thousands of ships loaded with crap sat in the oceans for months and months during C19 lockdowns. Certain supplies in stores dwindled, medical PPE dwindled, and prices went up a lot, not to mention the threat of a West Coast port strike compounding supply issues.
(The strike and related delays caused significant disruptions to supply chains, with over 85,000 containers held at major ports and potentially impacting goods worth over $5.2 billion.)
It seems it's about time we've gotten our act together. See the SBA, the State, Commerce & Labor Departments, etc.
Thousands of ships loaded with crap sat in the oceans for months and months during C19 lockdowns. Certain supplies in stores dwindled, medical PPE dwindled, and prices went up a lot, not to mention the threat of a West Coast port strike compounding supply issues.
(The strike and related delays caused significant disruptions to supply chains, with over 85,000 containers held at major ports and potentially impacting goods worth over $5.2 billion.)
It seems it's about time we've gotten our act together. See the SBA, the State, Commerce & Labor Departments, etc.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at May 23, 2025 11:33 AM (NFX2v)
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Yes, we did. Guess what the state song of Oklahoma is.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 23, 2025 11:33 AM (AcTAo)
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Which was led and staffed completely by...Indians. Who denounced racism against "all people of color" and mostly just used the group to harass the rest of the people in the town for fake muh raycissms against Indians.
Almost all the Indians in Silicon Valley are high-caste.
Good luck finding a job there if you are Dalit (untouchable).
California considered making caste discrimination legally equivalent to racial discrimination, but furious opposition from Silicon Valley firms blocked that.
Almost all the Indians in Silicon Valley are high-caste.
Good luck finding a job there if you are Dalit (untouchable).
California considered making caste discrimination legally equivalent to racial discrimination, but furious opposition from Silicon Valley firms blocked that.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 23, 2025 11:33 AM (xTIDn)
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One of the black kids got in trouble at school and low and behold we suddenly had a new "anti-racist" group. Which was led and staffed completely by...Indians. Who denounced racism against "all people of color" and mostly just used the group to harass the rest of the people in the town for fake muh raycissms against Indians.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:28 AM (t0Rmr)
You've got to love that the word "Aryan" comes from India and for the most part exactly, correctly describes those same high-caste Indians.
Not 'zactly the pitiful little color victims they like to make themselves out to be.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 23, 2025 11:28 AM (t0Rmr)
You've got to love that the word "Aryan" comes from India and for the most part exactly, correctly describes those same high-caste Indians.
Not 'zactly the pitiful little color victims they like to make themselves out to be.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 23, 2025 11:33 AM (iJfKG)
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>>Nancy Pelosi: “My whole mission in politics is about the children."
And the less there are of them the easier my job is.
And the less there are of them the easier my job is.
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:33 AM (VofaG)
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China has its version of the military industrial complex. A lot of their buildup is to placate them, just like our military budget is written by Boeing lobbyists. Doesn’t mean they necessarily want to go to war.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:33 AM (7YTFo)
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It was Japanese- Toyota, I think- who really worked it out. Swept over Europe as JIT in the 80's, when I was working there. Really, REALLY, depends on your upstream suppliers and infrastructure being absolutely reliable. In other words, it's fragile.
Kanban. Toyota insisted that their suppliers set up plants near Toyota factories, to reduce supply problems due to transportation.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 23, 2025 11:30 AM (xTIDn)
You guys about to talk about Total Quality Management?
Kanban. Toyota insisted that their suppliers set up plants near Toyota factories, to reduce supply problems due to transportation.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at May 23, 2025 11:30 AM (xTIDn)
You guys about to talk about Total Quality Management?
Posted by: Zombie Dr. W. Edwards Deming at May 23, 2025 11:33 AM (Aqu9a)
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Im sure you think you've made some type of point in your head .
That might poke a hole in a festive little hat.
Im sure you think you've made some type of point in your head .
That might poke a hole in a festive little hat.
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at May 23, 2025 11:34 AM (8zt8L)
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The idea that someone who uses anything made in China can't support Trump's tariffs and trade policies against China is like saying that someone can't use anything designed or built by anyone of a different sex, race, etc.
Or that someone who likes rock or blues or jazz can't be critical of inner-city black culture.
Or that someone who likes women can't be critical of feminism or AWFLs.
It's a stupid argument.
Or that someone who likes rock or blues or jazz can't be critical of inner-city black culture.
Or that someone who likes women can't be critical of feminism or AWFLs.
It's a stupid argument.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 23, 2025 11:34 AM (iFTx/)
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That is what the NeoCons believe. If it's true, we should just launch the nukes now before they build up anymore.
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 11:31 AM (JRfbP)
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Little early to be hitting the sauce, don't you think?
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 11:31 AM (JRfbP)
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Little early to be hitting the sauce, don't you think?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 23, 2025 11:34 AM (2UnvF)
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144 My daughter went to UT Austin, where she double majored in business and opera
That is a unique double major.
Music is nice, and she's really good at it, but she realized early on that the life of an opera star (of which there are very few) was not for her. She's been very successful at business, and it pays a lot better than opera.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:32 AM (s8j++)
Smart kid you got there!
That is a unique double major.
Music is nice, and she's really good at it, but she realized early on that the life of an opera star (of which there are very few) was not for her. She's been very successful at business, and it pays a lot better than opera.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:32 AM (s8j++)
Smart kid you got there!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 23, 2025 11:34 AM (wtvvX)
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There are brokers lining up right now in Vietnam and other places who are simply acting as a middleman for China manufacturing. They charge a fee to import the goods from China and send them on to the US with a "made in Vietnam" label.
Posted by: jwest
Well, then why are you complaining about tariffs?
Posted by: jwest
Well, then why are you complaining about tariffs?
Posted by: t-bird at May 23, 2025 11:34 AM (cSMYS)
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BTW, tariffs are still there from 30% to higher.
and China has many ways to evade tariffs.
I hope they have spent some time on enforcing them against Chinese overseas sellers on Amazon.
because so far, its American firms obeying the tariffs and foreign firms cheating.
and China has many ways to evade tariffs.
I hope they have spent some time on enforcing them against Chinese overseas sellers on Amazon.
because so far, its American firms obeying the tariffs and foreign firms cheating.
Posted by: Harun at May 23, 2025 11:35 AM (IuIym)
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Well, yeah ... Every time a scam falls apart, those who profit from it wail about the unfairness of it all.
What I haven't heard in my personal life is people complaining about the tariffs. Even my wife the Amazon addict says she's ok if she has to curtail her shopping predilection, because Trump's doing right by the country and things will always balance out in the end. We are deep inside MAGA country, though.
People may start getting pissed if it goes on too long or the prices go too high. But as of *now,* from where I'm watching, regular working people with kids to feed and bills to pay - the ones who stand to get hurt the most by tariffs - are taking this with considerably more maturity and equanimity than the squealing piggies of the Great American Shell Game, in their glittering high rises and yachts.
What I haven't heard in my personal life is people complaining about the tariffs. Even my wife the Amazon addict says she's ok if she has to curtail her shopping predilection, because Trump's doing right by the country and things will always balance out in the end. We are deep inside MAGA country, though.
People may start getting pissed if it goes on too long or the prices go too high. But as of *now,* from where I'm watching, regular working people with kids to feed and bills to pay - the ones who stand to get hurt the most by tariffs - are taking this with considerably more maturity and equanimity than the squealing piggies of the Great American Shell Game, in their glittering high rises and yachts.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2025 11:35 AM (BI5O2)
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>>Saira Rao. Born in USA to very affluent Indians. I'm not sure those dinners were a real thing. I'll bet they were just staged fake bullshit to try to generate attention and drive her book sales.
They were a real thing, at least until Matt Walsh got one on film for his movie.
Rao lives in the Polo Club area of Denver - incredibly expensive - yet plays the oppressed race victim role to absurd levels.
They were a real thing, at least until Matt Walsh got one on film for his movie.
Rao lives in the Polo Club area of Denver - incredibly expensive - yet plays the oppressed race victim role to absurd levels.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 23, 2025 11:36 AM (F/B4x)
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131 "JJ announced his tumor"
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Im very sorry to hear this - I was not aware of it.
Posted by: 496 at May 23, 2025 11:29 AM (GjxrJ)
Horde, please correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that his cancer is in remission. He will need to have constant vigilance going forward, but at the moment he's hale and hearty.
Again, please correct me if that's incorrect.
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Im very sorry to hear this - I was not aware of it.
Posted by: 496 at May 23, 2025 11:29 AM (GjxrJ)
Horde, please correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that his cancer is in remission. He will need to have constant vigilance going forward, but at the moment he's hale and hearty.
Again, please correct me if that's incorrect.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 23, 2025 11:36 AM (0CU3H)
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150 China has its version of the military industrial complex. A lot of their buildup is to placate them, just like our military budget is written by Boeing lobbyists. Doesn’t mean they necessarily want to go to war.
When someone spending hundreds of billions of dollars a year, and growing, says he's getting Taiwan back peacefully or by war, and invests heavily in the hardware to do it, I tend to listen to him.
When someone spending hundreds of billions of dollars a year, and growing, says he's getting Taiwan back peacefully or by war, and invests heavily in the hardware to do it, I tend to listen to him.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:36 AM (s8j++)
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Yes, we did. Guess what the state song of Oklahoma is.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 23, 2025 11:33 AM (AcTAo)
I'd like to use my Phone a Friend option.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 23, 2025 11:33 AM (AcTAo)
I'd like to use my Phone a Friend option.
Posted by: Count de Monet at May 23, 2025 11:37 AM (Aqu9a)
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In other words, it's fragile.
Posted by: t-bird at May 23, 2025 11:26 AM (tJ2Kx)
I thought it was just a building we stored shit in because we don't have any room for more shit.
I'm really confused now. I'm going to get onto that dig. I hate being ignorant and it looks like I am very ignorant on this.
Off to unstupify myself.
Posted by: t-bird at May 23, 2025 11:26 AM (tJ2Kx)
I thought it was just a building we stored shit in because we don't have any room for more shit.
I'm really confused now. I'm going to get onto that dig. I hate being ignorant and it looks like I am very ignorant on this.
Off to unstupify myself.
Posted by: Reforger at May 23, 2025 11:37 AM (xcIvR)
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146 Yes, we did. Guess what the state song of Oklahoma is.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 23, 2025 11:33 AM (AcTAo)
"Fuck You, Texas?"?
(When I was at A&M, whenever we played tu, we would sing:
"Texas Bite!
Texas Bite!
Texas jump up and bite my aaaasss!")
Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 23, 2025 11:33 AM (AcTAo)
"Fuck You, Texas?"?
(When I was at A&M, whenever we played tu, we would sing:
"Texas Bite!
Texas Bite!
Texas jump up and bite my aaaasss!")
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 23, 2025 11:38 AM (wtvvX)
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Guess what the state song of Oklahoma is.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 23, 2025 11:33 AM (AcTAo)
"I Wish I Was In Texas"?
Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 23, 2025 11:33 AM (AcTAo)
"I Wish I Was In Texas"?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:38 AM (ExV1e)
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On the plus side, I personally manufactured all the components of my personal computer. I did so using raw materials harvested from my own property.
On the down side, I'm an inveterate liar.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:31 AM (ExV1e)
Hello, Rick Sanchez!
On the down side, I'm an inveterate liar.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:31 AM (ExV1e)
Hello, Rick Sanchez!
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:38 AM (dGCAG)
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People need to realize that the last thing any foreign power wants is a conflict that costs money.
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 11:24 AM (JRfbP)
Exactly!! This is why Trump is promoting trade and economic deals with countries in the Middle East. Some of those countries are dependent on the US for defense. We supply their arms munitions, planes, etc. Trump wants more. He want those economic ties to bind them so tightly that they will squash ANY terror pushing extremists quickly. He understands that Islam cannot be extinguished quickly but the hard line terror promotion can be. It helps to isolate Iran even more also.
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 11:24 AM (JRfbP)
Exactly!! This is why Trump is promoting trade and economic deals with countries in the Middle East. Some of those countries are dependent on the US for defense. We supply their arms munitions, planes, etc. Trump wants more. He want those economic ties to bind them so tightly that they will squash ANY terror pushing extremists quickly. He understands that Islam cannot be extinguished quickly but the hard line terror promotion can be. It helps to isolate Iran even more also.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at May 23, 2025 11:38 AM (2J/Lj)
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>>There are brokers lining up right now in Vietnam and other places who are simply acting as a middleman for China manufacturing. They charge a fee to import the goods from China and send them on to the US with a "made in Vietnam" label.
You really ought to pay more attention to what Trump, Bessent and team are doing. This is one of the first things they went after and why they put tariffs on tiny South Pacific islands with almost zero population.
China has been doing this for years. A great example is Chinese steel that has been shipped through Canada and marginally "improved", usually with labeling, and then dumped in the US at low prices.
The tariffs aren't just to stop the obvious monetary issues but all unfair trade practices including 3rd country dumping. Look at what Trump is saying about the EU tariffs today. It's only partially about price policy.
You really ought to pay more attention to what Trump, Bessent and team are doing. This is one of the first things they went after and why they put tariffs on tiny South Pacific islands with almost zero population.
China has been doing this for years. A great example is Chinese steel that has been shipped through Canada and marginally "improved", usually with labeling, and then dumped in the US at low prices.
The tariffs aren't just to stop the obvious monetary issues but all unfair trade practices including 3rd country dumping. Look at what Trump is saying about the EU tariffs today. It's only partially about price policy.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2025 11:38 AM (viF8m)
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If we're all in this together, why is everyone dumping on business owners, calling them negligent, deserving of what they're going through, sob stories. It's one thing to acknowledge the problem, it's another to point and laugh when you're not doing shit about it yourself.
Posted by: Xander Crews at May 23, 2025 11:39 AM (rEmVK)
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Saira Rao. That hideous shrike is one of Denver's gifts to America. when I think of that town, I'll always think of Saira, and laugh and laugh.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2025 11:39 AM (BI5O2)
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As my cousin says, " If it wasn't for Oklahoma cowboys and Mexican whores, there'd be no Texans".
Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 23, 2025 11:39 AM (AcTAo)
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When someone spending hundreds of billions of dollars a year, and growing, says he's getting Taiwan back peacefully or by war, and invests heavily in the hardware to do it, I tend to listen to him.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:36 AM (s8j++)
Sounds like a Taiwan problem, not a U.S. of A. problem.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:36 AM (s8j++)
Sounds like a Taiwan problem, not a U.S. of A. problem.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:39 AM (dGCAG)
Posted by: pawn at May 23, 2025 11:40 AM (QB+5g)
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Posted by: Xander Crews at May 23, 2025 11:39 AM (rEmVK
Now I see you've moved on to the next stage of exaggerated straw man whining.
So predictable.
Now I see you've moved on to the next stage of exaggerated straw man whining.
So predictable.
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:41 AM (VofaG)
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totally OT
From Pixy this morning
New bacteria have been discovered on the Chinese space station. (Wired)
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Send that space station into the sun Now.
Then nuke Peking.
From Pixy this morning
New bacteria have been discovered on the Chinese space station. (Wired)
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Send that space station into the sun Now.
Then nuke Peking.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 23, 2025 11:41 AM (bxYeq)
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When is someone going to ask why Apple feels entitled to an 80% markup on iPhones? Maybe there's a little room there to absorb higher costs and shield their loyal base, hmmm?!
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 23, 2025 11:41 AM (TXQcC)
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>> “Nobody in power seems to care about small business,” said Scott Anderson, owner of 5 Star North, which works with Chinese manufacturers to make its products ranging from acrylic markers to tiki torches. “At this point the only option I see is selling out the rest of what we have and shutting our doors.”
I’m a simpleton but here’s an idea: How about making your own product? Sheesh
I’m a simpleton but here’s an idea: How about making your own product? Sheesh
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at May 23, 2025 11:41 AM (/iXAp)
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People may start getting pissed if it goes on too long or the prices go too high.
Some will. Some will get pissed if companies just try to get around the tariffs but still not bring business home. It was easier to be "all about price" before you saw the add-on effects. I suspect that a lot of what people know isn't true anymore.
Some will. Some will get pissed if companies just try to get around the tariffs but still not bring business home. It was easier to be "all about price" before you saw the add-on effects. I suspect that a lot of what people know isn't true anymore.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:42 AM (ExV1e)
Posted by: Mayor Pete at May 23, 2025 11:42 AM (5hfjS)
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totally OT
From Pixy this morning
New bacteria have been discovered on the Chinese space station. (Wired)
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Send that space station into the sun Now.
Then nuke Peking.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 23, 2025 11:41 AM (bxYeq)
"The Andromeda Strain" was not supposed to be a how to book.
From Pixy this morning
New bacteria have been discovered on the Chinese space station. (Wired)
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Send that space station into the sun Now.
Then nuke Peking.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 23, 2025 11:41 AM (bxYeq)
"The Andromeda Strain" was not supposed to be a how to book.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 23, 2025 11:42 AM (iJfKG)
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What I haven't heard in my personal life is people complaining about the tariffs. Even my wife the Amazon addict says she's ok if she has to curtail her shopping predilection, because Trump's doing right by the country and things will always balance out in the end. We are deep inside MAGA country, though.
People may start getting pissed if it goes on too long or the prices go too high. But as of *now,* from where I'm watching, regular working people with kids to feed and bills to pay - the ones who stand to get hurt the most by tariffs - are taking this with considerably more maturity and equanimity than the squealing piggies of the Great American Shell Game, in their glittering high rises and yachts.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2025 11:35 AM (BI5O2)
I don't know from tariffs, but I do have a friend who says a relative has been separated from the military after 18 years, because of DOGE.
People believe what they want.
People may start getting pissed if it goes on too long or the prices go too high. But as of *now,* from where I'm watching, regular working people with kids to feed and bills to pay - the ones who stand to get hurt the most by tariffs - are taking this with considerably more maturity and equanimity than the squealing piggies of the Great American Shell Game, in their glittering high rises and yachts.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2025 11:35 AM (BI5O2)
I don't know from tariffs, but I do have a friend who says a relative has been separated from the military after 18 years, because of DOGE.
People believe what they want.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:43 AM (dGCAG)
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Posted by: Lizzy at May 23, 2025 11:36 AM (F/B4x)
Those women doing the " You're so racist" dinners came off-as rude, elitist ( insert rude word beginning with b) and the people who pay to be insulted are dolts. If someone thinks I'm racist they can tell me privately. I'm sure as heck not paying it hear it even if I had extra money and was leftist .
The scene of this in the excellent movie "Am I racist was hilarious because Matt ? ( forgot his last name) played a waiter and dropped the food
Those women doing the " You're so racist" dinners came off-as rude, elitist ( insert rude word beginning with b) and the people who pay to be insulted are dolts. If someone thinks I'm racist they can tell me privately. I'm sure as heck not paying it hear it even if I had extra money and was leftist .
The scene of this in the excellent movie "Am I racist was hilarious because Matt ? ( forgot his last name) played a waiter and dropped the food
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 23, 2025 11:43 AM (gka/5)
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118
‘ depends on your upstream suppliers and infrastructure being absolutely reliable.’
And in a physically concentrated industrial environment like Japan, this is much easier to do.
‘ depends on your upstream suppliers and infrastructure being absolutely reliable.’
And in a physically concentrated industrial environment like Japan, this is much easier to do.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 23, 2025 11:43 AM (jbnUc)
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176 When is someone going to ask why Apple feels entitled to an 80% markup on iPhones? Maybe there's a little room there to absorb higher costs and shield their loyal base, hmmm?!
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 23, 2025 11:41 AM (
Apple can make 8000% mark up if it wants. None of the governments business. Do you really want to go down that road where the govt decided what is “fair”?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 23, 2025 11:41 AM (
Apple can make 8000% mark up if it wants. None of the governments business. Do you really want to go down that road where the govt decided what is “fair”?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:43 AM (7YTFo)
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He will need to have constant vigilance going forward, but at the moment he's hale and hearty.
I believe that was the general vibe of the latest update given.
I believe that was the general vibe of the latest update given.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:43 AM (ExV1e)
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Only two things come outta Oklahoma, steer and queers.
Posted by: Sgt Foley at May 23, 2025 11:43 AM (Aqu9a)
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When someone spending hundreds of billions of dollars a year, and growing, says he's getting Taiwan back peacefully or by war, and invests heavily in the hardware to do it, I tend to listen to him.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:36 AM (s8j++)
Sounds like a Taiwan problem, not a U.S. of A. problem.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:39 AM (dGCAG)
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China is already halfway to taking over Taiwan peacefully. They already own probably half the politicians, and have been making trillions of dollars of investment there. In another 10-20 years, they'll own it completely.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:36 AM (s8j++)
Sounds like a Taiwan problem, not a U.S. of A. problem.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:39 AM (dGCAG)
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China is already halfway to taking over Taiwan peacefully. They already own probably half the politicians, and have been making trillions of dollars of investment there. In another 10-20 years, they'll own it completely.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 23, 2025 11:44 AM (iFTx/)
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If we're all in this together, why is everyone dumping on business owners, calling them negligent, deserving of what they're going through, sob stories. It's one thing to acknowledge the problem, it's another to point and laugh when you're not doing shit about it yourself.
Posted by: Xander Crews at May 23, 2025 11:39 AM (rEmVK)
Maybe they aren't real business owners, just lying Commie fags put up by the Dem-Media complex to oppose MAGA.
Posted by: Xander Crews at May 23, 2025 11:39 AM (rEmVK)
Maybe they aren't real business owners, just lying Commie fags put up by the Dem-Media complex to oppose MAGA.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 23, 2025 11:44 AM (wTp6q)
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"which works with Chinese manufacturers to make its products ranging from acrylic markers to tiki torches."
That sounds racist. Do they make Confederate flags out of cotton too?
That sounds racist. Do they make Confederate flags out of cotton too?
Posted by: Vanilla Fudge at May 23, 2025 11:44 AM (vFG9F)
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When is someone going to ask why Apple feels entitled to an 80% markup on iPhones?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 23, 2025 11:41 AM (TXQcC)
That is just good business sense. People pay the markup. Why shouldn't Apple charge a premium? If they could and didn't, I as a stockholder would be very pissed off.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 23, 2025 11:41 AM (TXQcC)
That is just good business sense. People pay the markup. Why shouldn't Apple charge a premium? If they could and didn't, I as a stockholder would be very pissed off.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 23, 2025 11:44 AM (DMr82)
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“Nobody in power seems to care about small business,” said Scott Anderson, owner of 5 Star North, which works with Chinese manufacturers to make its products ranging from acrylic markers to tiki torches. “At this point the only option I see is selling out the rest of what we have and shutting our doors.”
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I’m a simpleton but here’s an idea: How about making your own product? Sheesh
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at May 23, 2025 11:41 AM (/iXAp)
I don't want to tell anyone what to do for a living, but I think the world can live without acrylic markers and tiki torches.
If I was in the business of being the middle man between Chi Nah and American consumers of acrylic markers and tiki torches, I think I'd kill myself once I realized what a worthless oxygen eater I am.
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I’m a simpleton but here’s an idea: How about making your own product? Sheesh
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at May 23, 2025 11:41 AM (/iXAp)
I don't want to tell anyone what to do for a living, but I think the world can live without acrylic markers and tiki torches.
If I was in the business of being the middle man between Chi Nah and American consumers of acrylic markers and tiki torches, I think I'd kill myself once I realized what a worthless oxygen eater I am.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:45 AM (dGCAG)
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When is someone going to ask why Apple feels entitled to an 80% markup on iPhones? Maybe there's a little room there to absorb higher costs and shield their loyal base, hmmm?!
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 23, 2025 11:41 AM (TXQcC)
That's what I said about Walmart. They made 55.5 billion in net profit last year. Eating the tariff would make it only 55 billion this year. Business these days don't look at long term anymore. It's all about short term maximization .
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 23, 2025 11:41 AM (TXQcC)
That's what I said about Walmart. They made 55.5 billion in net profit last year. Eating the tariff would make it only 55 billion this year. Business these days don't look at long term anymore. It's all about short term maximization .
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:45 AM (VofaG)
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174 Now I see you've moved on to the next stage of exaggerated straw man whining.
So predictable.
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Let me know when you're willing to make a coherent point instead instead of just talking shit. In the meantime, enjoy those Chinese shutters.
So predictable.
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Let me know when you're willing to make a coherent point instead instead of just talking shit. In the meantime, enjoy those Chinese shutters.
Posted by: Xander Crews at May 23, 2025 11:45 AM (rEmVK)
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People need to realize that the last thing any foreign power wants is a conflict that costs money.
Posted by: jwest
Have you HEARD of WWI?
Posted by: jwest
Have you HEARD of WWI?
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (s8j++)
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If you want manufacturing to return to the US, give the country a competitive advantage. Have Elon build a Mega Factory to make small modular nuclear reactors that fit into 40 foot containers. Eliminate all the stupid wind and solar crap and have the government own all the reactors dispersed across the country - 3000 of them to start. That would make our electrical system bulletproof against war, terrorist attack or natural disasters. Supply all the electrical energy for free and let the local utilities charge for delivering it. If someone wanted to build a steel mill next to the reactors, they would pay next to nothing for their power - which is by far the most expensive thing about making steel (or aluminum, copper or any other metal). It would be ridiculous for companies to carry out heavy manufacturing anywhere else in the world. Of course, everyone else would get vastly reduced power bills. Like the interstate road system, a public good that benefits the overall economy is not a socialist program, but a conservative investment in the country (read F.A. Hayek).
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (JRfbP)
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China is already halfway to taking over Taiwan peacefully. They already own probably half the politicians, and have been making trillions of dollars of investment there. In another 10-20 years, they'll own it completely.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 23, 2025 11:44 AM (iFTx/)
More than enough time for America to divest from any/all dependence on shit made in Taiwan.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 23, 2025 11:44 AM (iFTx/)
More than enough time for America to divest from any/all dependence on shit made in Taiwan.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (dGCAG)
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Son's last day of preschool.
Our family's last day of preschool.
I don't mind getting older. I mind them getting older. I mind it big time.
Our family's last day of preschool.
I don't mind getting older. I mind them getting older. I mind it big time.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (KbCG3)
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Music is nice, and she's really good at it, but she realized early on that the life of an opera star (of which there are very few) was not for her. She's been very successful at business, and it pays a lot better than opera.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:32 AM (s8j++)
Smart kid you got there!
Posted by: Tex Lovera
Thanks. She really is. Clearly takes after her mother.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:32 AM (s8j++)
Smart kid you got there!
Posted by: Tex Lovera
Thanks. She really is. Clearly takes after her mother.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (s8j++)
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China and Russia (China is my supplier, Russia used to be my largest customer prior to sanctions) are both far more interested in trade than any military action. People need to realize that the last thing any foreign power wants is a conflict that costs money.
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 11:24 AM (JRfbP)
Bullshit. Power is the main reason wars exist. Name one war waged over money.
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 11:24 AM (JRfbP)
Bullshit. Power is the main reason wars exist. Name one war waged over money.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (g8Ew8)
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ar more interested in trade than any military action. People need to realize that the last thing any foreign power wants is a conflict that costs money.
Posted by: jwest
Tell us you love the CCP without saying it expressly.
Posted by: jwest
Tell us you love the CCP without saying it expressly.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 23, 2025 11:47 AM (RgXBJ)
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I don't want to tell anyone what to do for a living, but I think the world can live without acrylic markers and tiki torches.
these asshats had a good deal being the needless US middleman for a long time
screw them honestly
go move to China, Scott
these asshats had a good deal being the needless US middleman for a long time
screw them honestly
go move to China, Scott
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 23, 2025 11:47 AM (Pv3Rg)
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If your business is importing cheap shit from China then I shed zero tears if your business goes under.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:47 AM (7YTFo)
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It has to be worldwide tariffs not country specific for it to have an effect.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:25 AM (7YTFo)
This is true, it will have a major effect in regularizing the trade agreements, but like you say it won't solve all the problems.
The guess is the next step is to make a 10% tariff on everything incoming outside of some extremely iffy situations, and then either a form of capital control or taxation on foreign investments in the US. That is easier to enforce.
It will mean the USD will be getting weaker, but that will also help US Manufacturing.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:25 AM (7YTFo)
This is true, it will have a major effect in regularizing the trade agreements, but like you say it won't solve all the problems.
The guess is the next step is to make a 10% tariff on everything incoming outside of some extremely iffy situations, and then either a form of capital control or taxation on foreign investments in the US. That is easier to enforce.
It will mean the USD will be getting weaker, but that will also help US Manufacturing.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 23, 2025 11:47 AM (D7oie)
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I do have a friend who says a relative has been separated from the military after 18 years, because of DOGE.
People believe what they want.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:43 AM (dGCAG)
My guess. E-5 or O-4 with no chance of promotion.
Or a tranny.
People believe what they want.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:43 AM (dGCAG)
My guess. E-5 or O-4 with no chance of promotion.
Or a tranny.
Posted by: Reforger at May 23, 2025 11:48 AM (xcIvR)
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197 Son's last day of preschool.
Our family's last day of preschool.
I don't mind getting older. I mind them getting older. I mind it big time.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (KbCG3)
You’ll blink and they’ll be graduating high school.
Our family's last day of preschool.
I don't mind getting older. I mind them getting older. I mind it big time.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (KbCG3)
You’ll blink and they’ll be graduating high school.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:48 AM (7YTFo)
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Why do you suppose China is so bent on taking over Taiwan? They might get the chip fabs, but probably not. No, the reason is that it would be a complete breach of the First Island Chain, and allow them unfettered access to the Pacific.
They want to be the world's hegemon. Full stop.
They want to be the world's hegemon. Full stop.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:49 AM (s8j++)
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Apple can make 8000% mark up if it wants. None of the governments business. Do you really want to go down that road where the govt decided what is “fair”?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:43 AM (7YTFo)
It is the governments business if it's a national security issue. The CCP and our economic health is a national security issue.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:43 AM (7YTFo)
It is the governments business if it's a national security issue. The CCP and our economic health is a national security issue.
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:49 AM (VofaG)
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China is already halfway to taking over Taiwan peacefully. They already own probably half the politicians, and have been making trillions of dollars of investment there. In another 10-20 years, they'll own it completely.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 23, 2025 11:44 AM (iFTx/)
Wait, are you talking about the US or Taiwan?
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 23, 2025 11:44 AM (iFTx/)
Wait, are you talking about the US or Taiwan?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 23, 2025 11:49 AM (Dv3i1)
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Have you HEARD of WWI?
It is entirely likely that my history education is lacking, but my impression is that everyone involved, especially the countries that started the conflict, expected World War I to be a quick reshuffling of borders in their favor.
Which, given the experience of the American Civil War, would have been pretty stupid on the part of international leaders, but given our own crop of international leaders I find it hard to discount it just for that.
It is entirely likely that my history education is lacking, but my impression is that everyone involved, especially the countries that started the conflict, expected World War I to be a quick reshuffling of borders in their favor.
Which, given the experience of the American Civil War, would have been pretty stupid on the part of international leaders, but given our own crop of international leaders I find it hard to discount it just for that.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 23, 2025 11:49 AM (EXyHK)
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206 Why do you suppose China is so bent on taking over Taiwan? They might get the chip fabs, but probably not. No, the reason is that it would be a complete breach of the First Island Chain, and allow them unfettered access to the Pacific.
They want to be the world's hegemon. Full stop.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:49 AM (s8j++)
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They're a dying country.
They'll have 1/4 to 1/3 of their current population in a couple of generations.
That's what sub-1 replacement fertility rates do.
And China made the 1+ fertility rate illegal in the 80s, and their efforts to reverse it recently have flopped.
China will be lucky to hold onto Hong Kong in 30 years.
They want to be the world's hegemon. Full stop.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:49 AM (s8j++)
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They're a dying country.
They'll have 1/4 to 1/3 of their current population in a couple of generations.
That's what sub-1 replacement fertility rates do.
And China made the 1+ fertility rate illegal in the 80s, and their efforts to reverse it recently have flopped.
China will be lucky to hold onto Hong Kong in 30 years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:50 AM (GBKbO)
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That might poke a hole in a festive little hat.
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at May 23, 2025 11:34 AM (8zt8L)
Are these festive little hats like those fez things the Shriners used to wear? Cause I like those.
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at May 23, 2025 11:34 AM (8zt8L)
Are these festive little hats like those fez things the Shriners used to wear? Cause I like those.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at May 23, 2025 11:50 AM (2J/Lj)
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If we're all in this together, why is everyone dumping on business owners, calling them negligent, deserving of what they're going through, sob stories. It's one thing to acknowledge the problem, it's another to point and laugh when you're not doing shit about it yourself.
Posted by: Xander Crews at May 23, 2025 11:39 AM (rEmVK)
1. What would you have us do about it? We're not the deciders here.
2. If you're driving down the road at 100 mph and you see a sign which says "bridge out ahead", you're negligent if you don't slow.
I saw lots of my friends lose their jobs as things got offshored, or businesses replaced stale, white, male engineers with exciting (and cheaper) H1Bs. No one had pity for those people.
Lots of business owners chose to do nothing about this issue. They assumed a risk. I didn't put a gun to their head to force them to assume that risk... it was their choice. Now the price is being paid. I have no pity for them.
Posted by: Xander Crews at May 23, 2025 11:39 AM (rEmVK)
1. What would you have us do about it? We're not the deciders here.
2. If you're driving down the road at 100 mph and you see a sign which says "bridge out ahead", you're negligent if you don't slow.
I saw lots of my friends lose their jobs as things got offshored, or businesses replaced stale, white, male engineers with exciting (and cheaper) H1Bs. No one had pity for those people.
Lots of business owners chose to do nothing about this issue. They assumed a risk. I didn't put a gun to their head to force them to assume that risk... it was their choice. Now the price is being paid. I have no pity for them.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:51 AM (ExV1e)
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I'm not going to rip into the tiki torch guy. He's trying to run an import business at a time when that is a bad business to be in. I'm sure he's freaking out for good reason.
But he shouldn't be crying about Trump and his policies. If he wants to point the finger of blame at anyone, he should look to the financial industry, whose decades long, phoney baloney paper chase necessitated these policies and made it impossible to domestically source a tiki torch.
It's like getting run over by a drunk driver and then blaming your physical therapist because the treatment hurts like hell.
But he shouldn't be crying about Trump and his policies. If he wants to point the finger of blame at anyone, he should look to the financial industry, whose decades long, phoney baloney paper chase necessitated these policies and made it impossible to domestically source a tiki torch.
It's like getting run over by a drunk driver and then blaming your physical therapist because the treatment hurts like hell.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2025 11:51 AM (BI5O2)
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Have you HEARD of WWI?
It is entirely likely that my history education is lacking, but my impression is that everyone involved, especially the countries that started the conflict, expected World War I to be a quick reshuffling of borders in their favor.
It was widely believed that nobody would go to war because it would upset the economic applecart. Turns out, there are people for whom that's not true.
It is entirely likely that my history education is lacking, but my impression is that everyone involved, especially the countries that started the conflict, expected World War I to be a quick reshuffling of borders in their favor.
It was widely believed that nobody would go to war because it would upset the economic applecart. Turns out, there are people for whom that's not true.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:51 AM (s8j++)
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205 197 Son's last day of preschool.
Our family's last day of preschool.
I don't mind getting older. I mind them getting older. I mind it big time.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (KbCG3)
You’ll blink and they’ll be graduating high school.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:48 AM (7YTFo)
My mother cries at the drop of a hat. I was gifted her tendency towards sappiness.
I am not prepared for what lies ahead, haha.
Our family's last day of preschool.
I don't mind getting older. I mind them getting older. I mind it big time.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (KbCG3)
You’ll blink and they’ll be graduating high school.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:48 AM (7YTFo)
My mother cries at the drop of a hat. I was gifted her tendency towards sappiness.
I am not prepared for what lies ahead, haha.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 23, 2025 11:51 AM (KbCG3)
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“Nobody in power seems to care about small business,” said Scott Anderson, owner of 5 Star North, which works with Chinese manufacturers to make its products ranging from acrylic markers to tiki torches.
You're not a 'small business', you're a salesman.
You're not a 'small business', you're a salesman.
Posted by: t-bird at May 23, 2025 11:51 AM (GUvny)
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these asshats had a good deal being the needless US middleman for a long time
screw them honestly
go move to China, Scott
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 23, 2025 11:47 AM (Pv3Rg)
Early in the Covids, there were stories about American (and other foreign nationals, I'm sure) businessmen going over to Chi Nah, and the first thing they had to do was get a Covid test.
Anally.
I have genuine sympathy for men in prisons who get raped, but these guys? The businessmen going over to Chi Nah?
*Tap tap* Nope. Sympathy meter isn't registering anything.
screw them honestly
go move to China, Scott
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 23, 2025 11:47 AM (Pv3Rg)
Early in the Covids, there were stories about American (and other foreign nationals, I'm sure) businessmen going over to Chi Nah, and the first thing they had to do was get a Covid test.
Anally.
I have genuine sympathy for men in prisons who get raped, but these guys? The businessmen going over to Chi Nah?
*Tap tap* Nope. Sympathy meter isn't registering anything.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:51 AM (dGCAG)
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 23, 2025 11:52 AM (jbnUc)
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What is the point of attending a "Recognize your racism" dinner anyway.? It's like some sort of leftist quasi religious ritual where you confess your sin To the leftist "Goddesses" and you receive absolution by paying some big fee.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 23, 2025 11:52 AM (gka/5)
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Posted by: Xander Crews at May 23, 2025 11:45 AM (rEmVK)
you only deserve mocking for your whining. And I am enjoying my shutters thank you very much. Would have preferred American made though. A point you missed of course.
you only deserve mocking for your whining. And I am enjoying my shutters thank you very much. Would have preferred American made though. A point you missed of course.
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:53 AM (VofaG)
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They want to be the world's hegemon. Full stop.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:49 AM (s8j++)
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They're a dying country.
Possibly, but in the meantime, countries are usually at their most irrational when they feel their chance in the sun slipping away. Germany thought the same thing. They were convinced the higher Russian birth rates would doom them if they didn't act fast.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:49 AM (s8j++)
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They're a dying country.
Possibly, but in the meantime, countries are usually at their most irrational when they feel their chance in the sun slipping away. Germany thought the same thing. They were convinced the higher Russian birth rates would doom them if they didn't act fast.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:53 AM (s8j++)
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Maybe they aren't real business owners, just lying Commie fags put up by the Dem-Media complex to oppose MAGA.
"sources say..."
"sources say..."
Posted by: kallisto at May 23, 2025 11:53 AM (dCxaZ)
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Are these festive little hats like those fez things the Shriners used to wear? Cause I like those.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at May 23, 2025 11:50 AM (2J/Lj)
You mean these?
https://youtu.be/pO_tXzeiZAQ
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at May 23, 2025 11:50 AM (2J/Lj)
You mean these?
https://youtu.be/pO_tXzeiZAQ
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at May 23, 2025 11:53 AM (VNX3d)
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I do have a friend who says a relative has been separated from the military after 18 years, because of DOGE.
Why? I don't recall reading anything about DOGE saying that we needed to get rid of 10,000 majors (or whatever). I suspect there's more to this story.
Why? I don't recall reading anything about DOGE saying that we needed to get rid of 10,000 majors (or whatever). I suspect there's more to this story.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:53 AM (ExV1e)
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Possibly, but in the meantime, countries are usually at their most irrational when they feel their chance in the sun slipping away. Germany thought the same thing. They were convinced the higher Russian birth rates would doom them if they didn't act fast.
Interestingly, France thought the same thing about Germany.
Interestingly, France thought the same thing about Germany.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:53 AM (s8j++)
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My mother cries at the drop of a hat. I was gifted her tendency towards sappiness.
I am not prepared for what lies ahead, haha.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 23, 2025 11:51 AM (KbCG3)
I have kids in HS now and I look at pics sometimes of when they were young, like 5,6,7 and think what happened? It went by so fast. It’s crazy.
I am not prepared for what lies ahead, haha.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 23, 2025 11:51 AM (KbCG3)
I have kids in HS now and I look at pics sometimes of when they were young, like 5,6,7 and think what happened? It went by so fast. It’s crazy.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:54 AM (7YTFo)
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>>Let me know when you're willing to make a coherent point instead instead of just talking shit. In the meantime, enjoy those Chinese shutters.
Every business, mine included, will be facing a period of disruption because what Trump is attempting to do is not tariff the world but change how world trade is practiced. We've been living through a period of unfair trade that punished American manufacturers for decades to the benefit of countries like China and to a less extent to many other foreign countries.
I tried like hell to not do business with China for supplies I need for my business but had no choice because parts either weren't available in the US or were too expensive because every competitor was also using Chinese parts. This also had the effect of destroying US manufacturers who made those parts. Does anyone care about what they've gone through for the last 50 years?
It will take some time to sort out and we will all experience some measure of pain but if we don't do this our economy will continue in a death spiral. A bit of pain now or a lot of pain down the road. Those are the options.
Every business, mine included, will be facing a period of disruption because what Trump is attempting to do is not tariff the world but change how world trade is practiced. We've been living through a period of unfair trade that punished American manufacturers for decades to the benefit of countries like China and to a less extent to many other foreign countries.
I tried like hell to not do business with China for supplies I need for my business but had no choice because parts either weren't available in the US or were too expensive because every competitor was also using Chinese parts. This also had the effect of destroying US manufacturers who made those parts. Does anyone care about what they've gone through for the last 50 years?
It will take some time to sort out and we will all experience some measure of pain but if we don't do this our economy will continue in a death spiral. A bit of pain now or a lot of pain down the road. Those are the options.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2025 11:54 AM (viF8m)
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have the government own all the reactors dispersed across the country
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (JRfbP)
Absolutely!
That is exactly what America needs: nationalized power production!
What could go wrong?
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (JRfbP)
Absolutely!
That is exactly what America needs: nationalized power production!
What could go wrong?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 23, 2025 11:54 AM (DMr82)
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To the leftist "Goddesses" and you receive absolution by paying some big fee.
the Left never offers absolution. Only continuous, relentless, eternal punishment.
the Left never offers absolution. Only continuous, relentless, eternal punishment.
Posted by: kallisto at May 23, 2025 11:54 AM (dCxaZ)
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My daughter went to UT Austin, where she double majored in business and opera. As a result, she graduated in the winter months, and was selected as the one to sing "Eyes of Texas" at the graduation ceremony.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:20 AM (s8j++)
Hey, that's my school, too!
That's very cool that she was selected to sing! You must be very proud.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:20 AM (s8j++)
Hey, that's my school, too!
That's very cool that she was selected to sing! You must be very proud.
Posted by: hobbitopoly at May 23, 2025 11:54 AM (k9OZB)
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Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (KbCG3)
Get off my lawn! 😉and congrats to the graduate .
Get off my lawn! 😉and congrats to the graduate .
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 23, 2025 11:54 AM (gka/5)
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Eight years after Trump’s 2016 Victory, any Company Blindsided by Tariffs on Chinese Imports is Willfully Negligent
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"Come on, man! We were donating to and counting on The Deep State to -- if not Steal last year's election again -- at least assassinate the #BadOrangeMan, h8r!"
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"Come on, man! We were donating to and counting on The Deep State to -- if not Steal last year's election again -- at least assassinate the #BadOrangeMan, h8r!"
Posted by: ShainS -- Hang 'Em Nigh! at May 23, 2025 11:54 AM (NufQ3)
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China is already halfway to taking over Taiwan peacefully. They already own probably half the politicians, and have been making trillions of dollars of investment there. In another 10-20 years, they'll own it completely.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 23, 2025 11:44 AM (iFTx/)
Wait, are you talking about the US or Taiwan?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 23, 2025 11:49 AM (Dv3i1)
As they say, embrace the power of "and."
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 23, 2025 11:44 AM (iFTx/)
Wait, are you talking about the US or Taiwan?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 23, 2025 11:49 AM (Dv3i1)
As they say, embrace the power of "and."
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:54 AM (dGCAG)
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Apple can make 8000% mark up if it wants. None of the governments business. Do you really want to go down that road where the govt decided what is “fair”?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:43 AM (7YTFo)
No one is suggesting that the government place a profit margin cap on Apple. Be chill.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:43 AM (7YTFo)
No one is suggesting that the government place a profit margin cap on Apple. Be chill.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:55 AM (ExV1e)
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221 Possibly, but in the meantime, countries are usually at their most irrational when they feel their chance in the sun slipping away. Germany thought the same thing. They were convinced the higher Russian birth rates would doom them if they didn't act fast.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:53 AM (s8j++)
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Xi is having to spend so much time and money just to hold onto the power that he has that an effort to invade Taiwan would probably be terribly executed, at best.
And it's not like sea-based invasions are easy.
I think the time to invade Taiwan was the 90s, and I suspect those in China know it.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:53 AM (s8j++)
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Xi is having to spend so much time and money just to hold onto the power that he has that an effort to invade Taiwan would probably be terribly executed, at best.
And it's not like sea-based invasions are easy.
I think the time to invade Taiwan was the 90s, and I suspect those in China know it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:55 AM (GBKbO)
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Bullshit. Power is the main reason wars exist. Name one war waged over money.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (g8Ew
Money is a proxy for power. With the obsolescence of monarchies and the noble caste system, the two are almost interchangeable.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (g8Ew
Money is a proxy for power. With the obsolescence of monarchies and the noble caste system, the two are almost interchangeable.
Posted by: Polka will never die at May 23, 2025 11:55 AM (uxAXv)
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You're not a 'small business', you're a salesman.
and a salesman of JUNK
look no sympathy the cheap Chinese crap poisoned us, our pets, and kept our elders in needless garbage that I will get to transport to the landfill when they go to assisted living
that's the GOOD side of our recent dealings with the CCP. the bad side was the Chinese making our building supplies so the new houses are rotten and sick, our meds that dont work right, and filled up our colleges with cheating full-pay assholes
and a salesman of JUNK
look no sympathy the cheap Chinese crap poisoned us, our pets, and kept our elders in needless garbage that I will get to transport to the landfill when they go to assisted living
that's the GOOD side of our recent dealings with the CCP. the bad side was the Chinese making our building supplies so the new houses are rotten and sick, our meds that dont work right, and filled up our colleges with cheating full-pay assholes
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 23, 2025 11:55 AM (Pv3Rg)
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I have kids in HS now and I look at pics sometimes of when they were young, like 5,6,7 and think what happened? It went by so fast. It’s crazy.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:54 AM (7YTFo)
Now just imagine the money you spent in that time...That'll really make you want to cry, ha.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:54 AM (7YTFo)
Now just imagine the money you spent in that time...That'll really make you want to cry, ha.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 23, 2025 11:55 AM (KbCG3)
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"Have Elon build a Mega Factory to make small modular nuclear reactors that fit into 40 foot containers"
and drop them in small communities, perhaps encased in 6' of concrete and steel? With a large water source if needed for emergency shutdowns ... or some such safety precaution.
BigCoal and BigOil might be against this though.
and drop them in small communities, perhaps encased in 6' of concrete and steel? With a large water source if needed for emergency shutdowns ... or some such safety precaution.
BigCoal and BigOil might be against this though.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 23, 2025 11:55 AM (vbXSk)
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I do have a friend who says a relative has been separated from the military after 18 years, because of DOGE.
People believe what they want.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:43 AM (dGCAG)
My guess. E-5 or O-4 with no chance of promotion.
Or a tranny.
Posted by: Reforger at May 23, 2025 11:48 AM (xcIvR)
Navy Commander. I think that's O5?
Navy ranks are weird.
People believe what they want.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:43 AM (dGCAG)
My guess. E-5 or O-4 with no chance of promotion.
Or a tranny.
Posted by: Reforger at May 23, 2025 11:48 AM (xcIvR)
Navy Commander. I think that's O5?
Navy ranks are weird.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:56 AM (dGCAG)
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I saw lots of my friends lose their jobs as things got offshored, or businesses replaced stale, white, male engineers with exciting (and cheaper) H1Bs. No one had pity for those people.
And it worked out great for many of us!
And it worked out great for many of us!
Posted by: Scott, Who Slaps English Labels On Chinese Shit at May 23, 2025 11:56 AM (iSdyJ)
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Posted by: kallisto at May 23, 2025 11:54 AM (dCxaZ
One more reason I am glad I am not a leftist but I would have found this stuff garbage even when I was a voting Democrat. I guess husband and I were always those dinosaurs- moderate Democrats
One more reason I am glad I am not a leftist but I would have found this stuff garbage even when I was a voting Democrat. I guess husband and I were always those dinosaurs- moderate Democrats
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 23, 2025 11:57 AM (gka/5)
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Money is a proxy for power. With the obsolescence of monarchies and the noble caste system, the two are almost interchangeable.
Posted by: Polka will never die at May 23, 2025 11:55 AM (uxAXv)
The most powerful in our society are far from the richest. Any given FBI director or federal shithead judge has more power than Elon Musk. There's your modern nobility.
Posted by: Polka will never die at May 23, 2025 11:55 AM (uxAXv)
The most powerful in our society are far from the richest. Any given FBI director or federal shithead judge has more power than Elon Musk. There's your modern nobility.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2025 11:57 AM (BI5O2)
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I do have a friend who says a relative has been separated from the military after 18 years, because of DOGE.
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Why? I don't recall reading anything about DOGE saying that we needed to get rid of 10,000 majors (or whatever). I suspect there's more to this story.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:53 AM (ExV1e)
There is, but it was one of those situations, I wasn't going to argue, so I just said I was sorry to hear they were going through a tough time.
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Why? I don't recall reading anything about DOGE saying that we needed to get rid of 10,000 majors (or whatever). I suspect there's more to this story.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:53 AM (ExV1e)
There is, but it was one of those situations, I wasn't going to argue, so I just said I was sorry to hear they were going through a tough time.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:57 AM (dGCAG)
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Tiki Torch brand name fuel $25.92 / gal
Posted by: Walmart.com at May 23, 2025 11:57 AM (Aqu9a)
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People need to realize that the last thing any foreign power wants is a conflict that costs money.
Posted by: jwest
Have you HEARD of WWI?
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (s8j++)
I was under the impression that WW1 was, essentially, a series of mistakes. Europe, uncharacteristically, was governed by a collection of idiots and managed to stumble their way into a war and then pride, and the fact that it was largely other people's kids dying, made them continue.
Now look at Russia/Ukraine.
Posted by: jwest
Have you HEARD of WWI?
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (s8j++)
I was under the impression that WW1 was, essentially, a series of mistakes. Europe, uncharacteristically, was governed by a collection of idiots and managed to stumble their way into a war and then pride, and the fact that it was largely other people's kids dying, made them continue.
Now look at Russia/Ukraine.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 11:58 AM (ExV1e)
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What is the point of attending a "Recognize your racism" dinner anyway?
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Black South Africans need not apply.
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Black South Africans need not apply.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Available In Super Size! at May 23, 2025 11:58 AM (L/fGl)
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I feel for the employees of the people in this predicament. The people themselves stampeded into their MBAs and somehow got the idea that this made them smart. I've worked with more Chief Executive Fredos than real CEOs in the tech and education fields. Most were well-meaning, but they lived in a bubble and relied on information filtered through the likes of CNN and Jim Cramer.
They were told Trump 2016 was a bump in the road. They never developed their own instincts. They never imagined, must less entertained, contrarian positions. Their success hinged on policies that diminished the American Dream. Their current failure warms my heart..
They were told Trump 2016 was a bump in the road. They never developed their own instincts. They never imagined, must less entertained, contrarian positions. Their success hinged on policies that diminished the American Dream. Their current failure warms my heart..
Posted by: Joe Kidd at May 23, 2025 11:58 AM (88IMd)
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So the DOD equips the SEALs with cheap shít from Temu. Man, the things I learn.
Posted by: Military grade rebreather $1.99! at May 23, 2025 11:59 AM (TbWk/)
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Xi is having to spend so much time and money just to hold onto the power that he has that an effort to invade Taiwan would probably be terribly executed, at best.
And it's not like sea-based invasions are easy.
I think the time to invade Taiwan was the 90s, and I suspect those in China know it.
I doubt it would work out well for the PRC, but it would probably devastate Taiwan as well. You know, the Taiwan that currently makes 90% of advanced chips.
Xi has built a small fleet of ramped personnel carriers whose only possible function is an invasion. Does that mean it'll happen? No, but only a fool ignores the threat. Leaders have done colossally stupid things throughout history.
And it's not like sea-based invasions are easy.
I think the time to invade Taiwan was the 90s, and I suspect those in China know it.
I doubt it would work out well for the PRC, but it would probably devastate Taiwan as well. You know, the Taiwan that currently makes 90% of advanced chips.
Xi has built a small fleet of ramped personnel carriers whose only possible function is an invasion. Does that mean it'll happen? No, but only a fool ignores the threat. Leaders have done colossally stupid things throughout history.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:59 AM (s8j++)
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I like how people now have decided some companies are "resellers" and should be put out of business.
Walmart is a "reseller"
John Deere dealerships are "resellers"
Your supermarket is a "reseller" of farm products.
Also, tiki torches are probably not a strategic product - I'm not sure why everyone is angry that product is imported.
Are you gonna cry if the umbrella in your drink is imported, too?
Focus on critical shit, not on....decorations.
Walmart is a "reseller"
John Deere dealerships are "resellers"
Your supermarket is a "reseller" of farm products.
Also, tiki torches are probably not a strategic product - I'm not sure why everyone is angry that product is imported.
Are you gonna cry if the umbrella in your drink is imported, too?
Focus on critical shit, not on....decorations.
Posted by: Harun at May 23, 2025 12:00 PM (IuIym)
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China is already halfway to taking over Taiwan peacefully. They already own probably half the politicians, and have been making trillions of dollars of investment there. In another 10-20 years, they'll own it completely.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 23, 2025 11:44 AM (iFTx/)
Wait, are you talking about the US or Taiwan?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 23, 2025 11:49 AM (Dv3i1)
As they say, embrace the power of "and."
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:54 AM (dGCAG)
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Yea. As much as we think China has its tentacles in the USA -- and it does -- it's worse in Taiwan.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 23, 2025 11:44 AM (iFTx/)
Wait, are you talking about the US or Taiwan?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 23, 2025 11:49 AM (Dv3i1)
As they say, embrace the power of "and."
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:54 AM (dGCAG)
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Yea. As much as we think China has its tentacles in the USA -- and it does -- it's worse in Taiwan.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 23, 2025 12:00 PM (iFTx/)
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They want to be the world's hegemon. Full stop.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:49 AM (s8j++)
If we've learned anything for the past 30 plus years, it's that being the worlds ONLY hegemon is very bad for the nation that is saddled with that role.
Bad for the rest of the world too, but worst of all for the country trying to hold the title.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:49 AM (s8j++)
If we've learned anything for the past 30 plus years, it's that being the worlds ONLY hegemon is very bad for the nation that is saddled with that role.
Bad for the rest of the world too, but worst of all for the country trying to hold the title.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 12:00 PM (dGCAG)
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Treasure your time with your kids. It may be the most important thing you will ever do.
Posted by: fd at May 23, 2025 12:00 PM (vFG9F)
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Bullshit. Power is the main reason wars exist. Name one war waged over money.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (g8Ew
Countries go to war when the balance of payments collapse. If there is a chance of getting paid then countries prefer to negotiate their differences.
I have seen arguments that WWI was related to the financial bubble that the British Empire was facing in India, and the German state was having some issues with its own finances.
I will tell you that the EU and Britain today would dearly love an excuse to devalue and default on their debts and going to war with Russia would solve their problems, especially if the US footed the bill.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (g8Ew
Countries go to war when the balance of payments collapse. If there is a chance of getting paid then countries prefer to negotiate their differences.
I have seen arguments that WWI was related to the financial bubble that the British Empire was facing in India, and the German state was having some issues with its own finances.
I will tell you that the EU and Britain today would dearly love an excuse to devalue and default on their debts and going to war with Russia would solve their problems, especially if the US footed the bill.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 23, 2025 12:00 PM (D7oie)
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248 I feel for the employees of the people in this predicament. The people themselves stampeded into their MBAs and somehow got the idea that this made them smart. I've worked with more Chief Executive Fredos than real CEOs in the tech and education fields. Most were well-meaning, but they lived in a bubble and relied on information filtered through the likes of CNN and Jim Cramer.
They were told Trump 2016 was a bump in the road. They never developed their own instincts. They never imagined, must less entertained, contrarian positions. Their success hinged on policies that diminished the American Dream. Their current failure warms my heart..
Posted by: Joe Kidd at May 23, 2025 11:58 AM (88IMd)
It's the phenomenon of it being okay to fail predictably.
They were told Trump 2016 was a bump in the road. They never developed their own instincts. They never imagined, must less entertained, contrarian positions. Their success hinged on policies that diminished the American Dream. Their current failure warms my heart..
Posted by: Joe Kidd at May 23, 2025 11:58 AM (88IMd)
It's the phenomenon of it being okay to fail predictably.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 23, 2025 12:00 PM (KbCG3)
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250 I doubt it would work out well for the PRC, but it would probably devastate Taiwan as well. You know, the Taiwan that currently makes 90% of advanced chips.
Xi has built a small fleet of ramped personnel carriers whose only possible function is an invasion. Does that mean it'll happen? No, but only a fool ignores the threat. Leaders have done colossally stupid things throughout history.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:59 AM (s8j++)
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With their aging and shrinking population, the only real solution now is containment.
Hold them off for a decade, and suddenly they just don't have the men to do it.
Also, if people are actually concerned that China is going to waltz in and take one of the world's main chip manufacturing nations...maybe it's time to move manufacturing away. Or else they don't actually believe the threat.
Xi has built a small fleet of ramped personnel carriers whose only possible function is an invasion. Does that mean it'll happen? No, but only a fool ignores the threat. Leaders have done colossally stupid things throughout history.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:59 AM (s8j++)
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With their aging and shrinking population, the only real solution now is containment.
Hold them off for a decade, and suddenly they just don't have the men to do it.
Also, if people are actually concerned that China is going to waltz in and take one of the world's main chip manufacturing nations...maybe it's time to move manufacturing away. Or else they don't actually believe the threat.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 12:01 PM (GBKbO)
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That is exactly what America needs: nationalized power production!
What could go wrong?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 23, 2025 11:54 AM (DMr82)
The reason I want the government to own the reactors is twofold. One, if they were privately owned they would suffer from the litigious delays that full blown nuke plants do now - and why we haven't seen a new plant for 40 years. Two, the financing problem would be non-existent.
What could go wrong?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 23, 2025 11:54 AM (DMr82)
The reason I want the government to own the reactors is twofold. One, if they were privately owned they would suffer from the litigious delays that full blown nuke plants do now - and why we haven't seen a new plant for 40 years. Two, the financing problem would be non-existent.
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 12:01 PM (JRfbP)
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WWI got rid of European royal power forever. You can find a silver lining in almost anything .
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 12:01 PM (VofaG)
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I have kids in HS now and I look at pics sometimes of when they were young, like 5,6,7 and think what happened? It went by so fast. It’s crazy.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:54 AM (7YTFo)
Crazy indeed. My son just graduated from law school. Of course it was a happy occasion but for me (don’t think I betrayed this outwardly) it was full of sorrow… a point of no return. The boy is never “coming back home”…. Very proud of him but very sad for me
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:54 AM (7YTFo)
Crazy indeed. My son just graduated from law school. Of course it was a happy occasion but for me (don’t think I betrayed this outwardly) it was full of sorrow… a point of no return. The boy is never “coming back home”…. Very proud of him but very sad for me
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at May 23, 2025 12:01 PM (WnEm5)
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Treasure your time with your kids. It may be the most important thing you will ever do.
Posted by: fd at May 23, 2025 12:00 PM (vFG9F)
Amen. Your kids will certainly think it's important.
Posted by: fd at May 23, 2025 12:00 PM (vFG9F)
Amen. Your kids will certainly think it's important.
Posted by: hobbitopoly at May 23, 2025 12:01 PM (k9OZB)
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China has global ambitions that transcend trade. They want to dictate terms globally for a lot of things and there are a number issues with that. Taiwan is one. And it's a real thorn in China's side. Especially in Xi's side. He's an ambitious guy. Backing down would be step one in his political demise. Probably his actual demise too.
He'll make a move sooner or later. Likely when the Democrats take the White House again.
He'll make a move sooner or later. Likely when the Democrats take the White House again.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 23, 2025 12:02 PM (Q4IgG)
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I was under the impression that WW1 was, essentially, a series of mistakes. Europe, uncharacteristically, was governed by a collection of idiots and managed to stumble their way into a war and then pride, and the fact that it was largely other people's kids dying, made them continue.
That was certainly a factor, but the governments of Germany, Russia, and France, were all reading the demographic and economic tea leaves. That was the real cause.
That was certainly a factor, but the governments of Germany, Russia, and France, were all reading the demographic and economic tea leaves. That was the real cause.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 12:02 PM (s8j++)
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‘ I have kids in HS now and I look at pics sometimes of when they were young, like 5,6,7’
My boy, small at 7 and now 16, towers over me.
‘ I have kids in HS now and I look at pics sometimes of when they were young, like 5,6,7’
My boy, small at 7 and now 16, towers over me.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 23, 2025 12:02 PM (jbnUc)
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>>I doubt it would work out well for the PRC, but it would probably devastate Taiwan as well. You know, the Taiwan that currently makes 90% of advanced chips.
And Taiwan and Nvidia have just in the last few months publicly stated they are spending hundreds of billions to move some of that chip manufacturing to the US. Trump also got trillions in commitments from his Middle East trip.
Money and manufacturing is coming back to the US. That is the entire point of what's happening.
And Taiwan and Nvidia have just in the last few months publicly stated they are spending hundreds of billions to move some of that chip manufacturing to the US. Trump also got trillions in commitments from his Middle East trip.
Money and manufacturing is coming back to the US. That is the entire point of what's happening.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 23, 2025 12:02 PM (viF8m)
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Anyone who thinks you can replace TSMC with a couple of fabs in Arizona is smoking dope.
NVIDIA is also moving to Taiwan. Don't ask me why - its not like Taiwan doesn't control exports to China either...it does.
NVIDIA is also moving to Taiwan. Don't ask me why - its not like Taiwan doesn't control exports to China either...it does.
Posted by: Harun at May 23, 2025 12:02 PM (IuIym)
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I think the time to invade Taiwan was the 90s, and I suspect those in China know it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:55 AM (GBKbO)
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"This is about us, isn't it?"
-- The Clinton Crime Syndicate and Loyal Bought-And-Paid-For ChiComm Puppets in Power
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at May 23, 2025 11:55 AM (GBKbO)
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"This is about us, isn't it?"
-- The Clinton Crime Syndicate and Loyal Bought-And-Paid-For ChiComm Puppets in Power
Posted by: ShainS -- Hang 'Em Nigh! at May 23, 2025 12:02 PM (NufQ3)
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What is the point of attending a "Recognize your racism" dinner anyway.?
You go, you listen to this woman bitch the whole time, you ask their race, you say "wow, I didn't realize I hated your race before tonight. I've learned a lot."
Then you punch her in the face and walk out.
Admittedly, some of this would need to be edited for Fen.
You go, you listen to this woman bitch the whole time, you ask their race, you say "wow, I didn't realize I hated your race before tonight. I've learned a lot."
Then you punch her in the face and walk out.
Admittedly, some of this would need to be edited for Fen.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 23, 2025 12:02 PM (ExV1e)
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BigCoal and BigOil might be against this though.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 23, 2025 11:55 AM (vbXSk)
The new modular reactors don't need the large water source like the big ones did. And yes, sink them in a hole and cover them with 10 feet of concrete.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 23, 2025 11:55 AM (vbXSk)
The new modular reactors don't need the large water source like the big ones did. And yes, sink them in a hole and cover them with 10 feet of concrete.
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 12:03 PM (JRfbP)
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Posted by: Harun at May 23, 2025 12:00 PM (IuIym)
You know you can make your point without making shit up about what people are saying.
You know you can make your point without making shit up about what people are saying.
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 12:03 PM (VofaG)
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Yea. As much as we think China has its tentacles in the USA -- and it does -- it's worse in Taiwan.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 23, 2025 12:00 PM (iFTx/)
I'm sure. I'm well past the point though, where I hear about troubles happening in other parts of the world, and think "Oh, the U.S. military (and taxpayer) must go solve that problem."
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 23, 2025 12:00 PM (iFTx/)
I'm sure. I'm well past the point though, where I hear about troubles happening in other parts of the world, and think "Oh, the U.S. military (and taxpayer) must go solve that problem."
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 12:03 PM (dGCAG)
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Tiki Torch brand name fuel $25.92 / gal
Posted by: Walmart.com at May 23, 2025 11:57 AM (Aqu9a)
Used motor oil: free.
Posted by: Walmart.com at May 23, 2025 11:57 AM (Aqu9a)
Used motor oil: free.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 23, 2025 12:03 PM (wTp6q)
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Also, if people are actually concerned that China is going to waltz in and take one of the world's main chip manufacturing nations...maybe it's time to move manufacturing away. Or else they don't actually believe the threat.
There's a reason TSMC is moving lots of production to the states, and it isn't just tariffs. When the principle object of an aggressor puts their money on the likelihood of invasion, I listen.
There's a reason TSMC is moving lots of production to the states, and it isn't just tariffs. When the principle object of an aggressor puts their money on the likelihood of invasion, I listen.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 12:03 PM (s8j++)
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220 you only deserve mocking for your whining. And I am enjoying my shutters thank you very much. Would have preferred American made though. A point you missed of course.
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:53 AM (VofaG)
American manufactures appreciate your preference, and the Chinese slave-drivers appreciate your purchase.
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 11:53 AM (VofaG)
American manufactures appreciate your preference, and the Chinese slave-drivers appreciate your purchase.
Posted by: Xander Crews at May 23, 2025 12:04 PM (rEmVK)
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WWI got rid of European royal power forever.
Posted by: polynikes
Brussels wants to speak with you,on line 2
Posted by: polynikes
Brussels wants to speak with you,on line 2
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 23, 2025 12:04 PM (RgXBJ)
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I'm with ya Linus. My daughter just graduated preschool. They put her in a little cap and gown for photos. It made me shudder.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2025 12:04 PM (BI5O2)
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You know you can make your point without making shit up about what people are saying.
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 12:03 PM (VofaG)
No you can't! It's the AoSHQ way!
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 12:03 PM (VofaG)
No you can't! It's the AoSHQ way!
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 12:04 PM (dGCAG)
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Navy Commander. I think that's O5?
Navy ranks are weird.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:56 AM (dGCAG)
There has to be a way to milk 2 more years. Get to that 20.
Tell them to judge shop and tie things up in court.
Navy ranks are weird.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:56 AM (dGCAG)
There has to be a way to milk 2 more years. Get to that 20.
Tell them to judge shop and tie things up in court.
Posted by: Reforger at May 23, 2025 12:04 PM (xcIvR)
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And Taiwan and Nvidia have just in the last few months publicly stated they are spending hundreds of billions to move some of that chip manufacturing to the US. Trump also got trillions in commitments from his Middle East trip.
Money and manufacturing is coming back to the US. That is the entire point of what's happening.
No argument.
Money and manufacturing is coming back to the US. That is the entire point of what's happening.
No argument.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 12:05 PM (s8j++)
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OK, its not their global HQ.
Also, Jensen Huang likes going to Taiwan because the local media treat him like a rockstar.
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/6114014
Also, Jensen Huang likes going to Taiwan because the local media treat him like a rockstar.
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/6114014
Posted by: Harun at May 23, 2025 12:05 PM (IuIym)
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New one: Tapper.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 12:06 PM (s8j++)
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Nood Tapper (blech...)
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 23, 2025 12:06 PM (Dv3i1)
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BigCoal and BigOil might be against this though.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 23, 2025 11:55 AM (vbXSk)
Elon isn't making small modular reactors, there are a handful of manufacturers getting ready to start putting them out. Westinghouse sold their SMR branch to another company, but there are a couple still, in standard, low pressure water and molten salt varieties. Some are mobile on tractor trailer, and those I am fascinated by.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 23, 2025 11:55 AM (vbXSk)
Elon isn't making small modular reactors, there are a handful of manufacturers getting ready to start putting them out. Westinghouse sold their SMR branch to another company, but there are a couple still, in standard, low pressure water and molten salt varieties. Some are mobile on tractor trailer, and those I am fascinated by.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 23, 2025 12:06 PM (D7oie)
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Money is a proxy for power.
Posted by: Polka will never die
For most. Not all. Give me enough money and no one will ever see or hear from me again. Ever.
Posted by: Polka will never die
For most. Not all. Give me enough money and no one will ever see or hear from me again. Ever.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 23, 2025 12:06 PM (5UWoF)
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"And Taiwan and Nvidia have just in the last few months publicly stated they are spending hundreds of billions to move some of that chip manufacturing to the US. Trump also got trillions in commitments from his Middle East trip.
Money and manufacturing is coming back to the US. That is the entire point of what's happening." jack
I'm not thrilled about foreigners owning large chunks of US means of production, but at least they will hire Americans (I assume) and pay US taxes.
Money and manufacturing is coming back to the US. That is the entire point of what's happening." jack
I'm not thrilled about foreigners owning large chunks of US means of production, but at least they will hire Americans (I assume) and pay US taxes.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 23, 2025 12:07 PM (vbXSk)
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Two, the financing problem would be non-existent.
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 12:01 PM (JRfbP)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I've missed you.
Yes, if the government "owns" stuff, they don't have to worry about financing. They got those printers back thar.
What's another several trillion. Money machine go "BRRRRRRRRRRRRR!"
Posted by: jwest at May 23, 2025 12:01 PM (JRfbP)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I've missed you.
Yes, if the government "owns" stuff, they don't have to worry about financing. They got those printers back thar.
What's another several trillion. Money machine go "BRRRRRRRRRRRRR!"
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 12:07 PM (dGCAG)
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Brussels wants to speak with you,on line 2
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 23, 2025 12:04 PM (RgXBJ)
are you snarking about the EU ?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 23, 2025 12:04 PM (RgXBJ)
are you snarking about the EU ?
Posted by: polynikes at May 23, 2025 12:09 PM (VofaG)
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Navy Commander. I think that's O5?
Navy ranks are weird.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:56 AM (dGCAG)
There has to be a way to milk 2 more years. Get to that 20.
Tell them to judge shop and tie things up in court.
Posted by: Reforger at May 23, 2025 12:04 PM (xcIvR)
Apparently he's medically unable to be on a vessel.
He tried to get shore duty, but someone up the chain of command said no.
Sounds like a medical retirement to me, but what do I know.
Navy ranks are weird.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 11:56 AM (dGCAG)
There has to be a way to milk 2 more years. Get to that 20.
Tell them to judge shop and tie things up in court.
Posted by: Reforger at May 23, 2025 12:04 PM (xcIvR)
Apparently he's medically unable to be on a vessel.
He tried to get shore duty, but someone up the chain of command said no.
Sounds like a medical retirement to me, but what do I know.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 23, 2025 12:09 PM (dGCAG)
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215 205 197 Son's last day of preschool.
Our family's last day of preschool.
I don't mind getting older. I mind them getting older. I mind it big time.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (KbCG3)
You’ll blink and they’ll be graduating high school.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:48 AM (7YTFo)
My mother cries at the drop of a hat. I was gifted her tendency towards sappiness.
I am not prepared for what lies ahead, haha.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 23, 2025 11:51 AM (KbCG3)
I'm not one prone to bawling, but boy howdy, picking up my youngest of three daughters on her last day at the pre-school they all attended hit me a lot harder than any of her subsequent graduations. Now they are all married and working, living around the same City about 2 hours from our place.
Time flies, but now it feels like it's doing damned near Mach 1.
Our family's last day of preschool.
I don't mind getting older. I mind them getting older. I mind it big time.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 23, 2025 11:46 AM (KbCG3)
You’ll blink and they’ll be graduating high school.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:48 AM (7YTFo)
My mother cries at the drop of a hat. I was gifted her tendency towards sappiness.
I am not prepared for what lies ahead, haha.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at May 23, 2025 11:51 AM (KbCG3)
I'm not one prone to bawling, but boy howdy, picking up my youngest of three daughters on her last day at the pre-school they all attended hit me a lot harder than any of her subsequent graduations. Now they are all married and working, living around the same City about 2 hours from our place.
Time flies, but now it feels like it's doing damned near Mach 1.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 23, 2025 12:10 PM (wtvvX)
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The most powerful in our society are far from the richest. Any given FBI director or federal shithead judge has more power than Elon Musk. There's your modern nobility.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2025 11:57 AM (BI5O2)
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Truth.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 23, 2025 11:57 AM (BI5O2)
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Truth.
Posted by: ShainS -- Hang 'Em Nigh! at May 23, 2025 12:11 PM (NufQ3)
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Leaders have done colossally stupid things throughout history.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:59 AM (s8j++)
C'mon, it's Russia. We zip in, we pick up Stalin, we zip right out again. Three, four months, tops. We're not going to London. It's Russia. It's like going into Brussels.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 23, 2025 11:59 AM (s8j++)
C'mon, it's Russia. We zip in, we pick up Stalin, we zip right out again. Three, four months, tops. We're not going to London. It's Russia. It's like going into Brussels.
Posted by: Corporal Schicklgruber, June 1941 at May 23, 2025 12:14 PM (Aqu9a)
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Only two things come outta Oklahoma, steer and queers.
Posted by: Sgt Foley at May 23, 2025 11:43 AM (Aqu9a)
That's Texas. TEXAS.
Posted by: Sgt Foley at May 23, 2025 11:43 AM (Aqu9a)
That's Texas. TEXAS.
Posted by: Gunnery Sgt Hartman at May 23, 2025 12:18 PM (5xuJ/)
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Money is a proxy for power. With the obsolescence of monarchies and the noble caste system, the two are almost interchangeable.
Posted by: Polka will never die at May 23, 2025 11:55 AM (uxAXv)
Were the crusades fought for money?
Were any European wars fought for money?
Was the American Civil War fought for money?
What about the Korean and Vietnam wars?
Etc., etc.
And power is not a proxy for money. If you have held even a little power over others, you'd know the difference.
Posted by: Polka will never die at May 23, 2025 11:55 AM (uxAXv)
Were the crusades fought for money?
Were any European wars fought for money?
Was the American Civil War fought for money?
What about the Korean and Vietnam wars?
Etc., etc.
And power is not a proxy for money. If you have held even a little power over others, you'd know the difference.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at May 23, 2025 12:28 PM (g8Ew8)
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The Leviathan doesn't give 2 fucks about small businesses. See 2020-2021. Never forget that. They're just trying to use them as a wedge to attack Trump.
And you're entirely correct about putting a finger to the winds of change. Anyone blindsided was just being stupid.
And you're entirely correct about putting a finger to the winds of change. Anyone blindsided was just being stupid.
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at May 23, 2025 12:45 PM (w6EFb)
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my shit tastes better after i take diarettics
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at May 23, 2025 12:49 PM (c7CJh)
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i'll accept shipments of poop if you send them to me
email me
email me
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at May 23, 2025 12:50 PM (c7CJh)
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Tariffs are taxes. Period.
Posted by: A man afraid of the LGBT lobby at May 23, 2025 01:08 PM (5DTn7)
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Wait, aren't the CHY - NA actual tariffs now down to 10% (plus 20% for not stopping Fentynal) for a total of a 30% tariff? NOT 145%?
Posted by: LASue at May 23, 2025 11:06 AM
Grok reply: https://bit.ly/3F6JNXD
Yes, you're correct. Recent reports indicate that the U.S. tariffs on Chinese imports have been reduced to a total of 30%, which includes a 10% base tariff plus a 20% tariff related to China's alleged failure to curb fentanyl flows. This is a significant reduction from the 145% tariff rate that was previously imposed in April 2025. The reduction to 30% is part of a 90-day trade truce agreed upon by the U.S. and China, effective from May 14, 2025. This deal was negotiated in Geneva and involves both countries lowering tariffs, with China reducing its tariffs on U.S. goods to 10% from 125%. However, additional tariffs, such as existing Section 301 or "most favored nation" tariffs, may still apply, potentially increasing the effective rate above 30% for some goods due to tariff stacking.
Posted by: LASue at May 23, 2025 11:06 AM
Grok reply: https://bit.ly/3F6JNXD
Yes, you're correct. Recent reports indicate that the U.S. tariffs on Chinese imports have been reduced to a total of 30%, which includes a 10% base tariff plus a 20% tariff related to China's alleged failure to curb fentanyl flows. This is a significant reduction from the 145% tariff rate that was previously imposed in April 2025. The reduction to 30% is part of a 90-day trade truce agreed upon by the U.S. and China, effective from May 14, 2025. This deal was negotiated in Geneva and involves both countries lowering tariffs, with China reducing its tariffs on U.S. goods to 10% from 125%. However, additional tariffs, such as existing Section 301 or "most favored nation" tariffs, may still apply, potentially increasing the effective rate above 30% for some goods due to tariff stacking.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2025 01:15 PM (P5BPp)
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Can you point me to a US made phone that is available for sale?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:26 AM
Grok full reply: https://bit.ly/4jeHSOF
Very few smartphones are fully manufactured in the USA due to global supply chains and cost considerations. However, Purism's Liberty Phone and Librem 5 USA are notable exceptions, marketed as being entirely manufactured in the USA with a focus on privacy and security. The Liberty Phone, an upgraded version of the Librem 5 USA, features 4GB of RAM and 128GB of storage, but it comes with a high price tag of around $2,000 compared to the Chinese-made Librem 5 at $799.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 23, 2025 11:26 AM
Grok full reply: https://bit.ly/4jeHSOF
Very few smartphones are fully manufactured in the USA due to global supply chains and cost considerations. However, Purism's Liberty Phone and Librem 5 USA are notable exceptions, marketed as being entirely manufactured in the USA with a focus on privacy and security. The Liberty Phone, an upgraded version of the Librem 5 USA, features 4GB of RAM and 128GB of storage, but it comes with a high price tag of around $2,000 compared to the Chinese-made Librem 5 at $799.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 23, 2025 02:13 PM (P5BPp)
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When is someone going to ask why Apple feels entitled to an 80% markup on iPhones?
Not saying gov should regulate, or it should be "unfair", but Apple shouldn't be moaning, either. If they want to command the brand loyalty, they should be willing to make a gesture to their base. But maybe they're too cool for that.
If they don't pull their head out on AI pretty soon, Elon might fix them real good.
Not saying gov should regulate, or it should be "unfair", but Apple shouldn't be moaning, either. If they want to command the brand loyalty, they should be willing to make a gesture to their base. But maybe they're too cool for that.
If they don't pull their head out on AI pretty soon, Elon might fix them real good.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 23, 2025 03:33 PM (TXQcC)
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