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THE MORNING RANT: Brian Kemp’s Presidential Ambitions May Have Saved Us from Another Senator Tillis/Cassidy/Murkowski/Cornyn
��Just in: Oklahoma GOP Senator James Lankford comes out in favor of illegal immigrants getting due process: “There is a need to be able to give an opportunity for someone to be able to make an argument before they are removed from the country.”
— The Calvin Coolidge Project (@TheCalvinCooli1) May 7, 2025
What is your response? pic.twitter.com/5PTU0z5Ms8
To my ever-lasting shame and disgrace, I voted for John Cornyn in the 2002 Texas Republican primary, because he was the “moderate” and “electable” Republican most likely to beat “popular” Dallas Mayor Ron Kirk in the general election. Cornyn won alright, and he has been stabbing conservatives in the back for 23 years, and now he is running for another 6-year term in 2026. Even worse, while living in Louisiana in 2014, I voted for Bill Cassidy in the US Senate race, since he was the most “electable” Republican candidate running against the “moderate” and “popular” three-term incumbent, Mary Landrieu. Not only has Bill Cassidy been hostile to the MAGA agenda, he actually joined Senate Democrats in voting to convict President Trump in the farcical impeachment trial in early 2021. As a final insult, whenever any of these anti-MAGA Republican Senators are in their final term, they gleefully do a shoot-the-finger farewell tour. Mitch McConnell is doing that right now by consistently voting against Trump nominations and consistently voting with the Democrat minority. Mitt Romney and John McCain also showed us the damage that petty, vindictive, grudge-holders can do once they’re in their final terms. If these political turncoats hadn’t been elected to a first term then they’d never have gotten a final term in which to settle scores and to dishonorably betray their voters. No more Cornyns. No more Cassidys. No more Romneys. No more Lankfords. No More Murkowskis. I could not be more relieved that I don’t have to worry about a Senator Kemp trying to sabotage President Trump. Of course, the reason Brian Kemp is not running for U.S. Senate is that when he looks in the mirror, he sees a future President. I’ve got a suggestion for his campaign theme: ”A Chicken in Every Pot, and a Rivian in Every Garage”
2028 GOP presidential candidates should mercilessly mock @BrianKempGA with the line, “A chicken in every pot and a Rivian in every garage.”@Rivian will be bankrupt & gone by then, but Georgians will still be paying for Kemp’s eco-globalist foray into corporate communism.
— Buck Throckmorton (@BuckThrockmort) May 5, 2025
Voters can never be allowed to forget that Brian Kemp allied himself with eco-globalists in trying to kill off internal combustion vehicles, and he then embraced corporate communism by dishing out billions of Georgia taxpayer dollars to EV-related startups. May his presidential campaign be as successful as his forays into venture communism.
A coalition of America Only and America First voters has the power to compel the Republican establishment and swing-district Democrats to understand that America First is the compromise position, and if they refuse, then they get nothing on their global wish list.It’s behind a paywall, but if you’re a subscriber to The Blaze, I’d be honored if you’d give it a read.
[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]My latest piece at The Blaze:
— Buck Throckmorton (@BuckThrockmort) May 11, 2025
America-Only is a rational response to the elites’ rejection of America-First,
America-Last is not an acceptable compromise with the Democrats’ position of America-Never. https://t.co/uiN88YUe7M
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Not 1st
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:01 AM (77rzZ)
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Well, lookie there!
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:01 AM (77rzZ)
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Yah
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at May 12, 2025 11:01 AM (C24zm)
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Also 3d?
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:01 AM (77rzZ)
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Nope.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:04 AM (77rzZ)
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No more Cornyns. No more Cassidys. No more Romneys. No more Lankfords. No More Murkowskis. I could not be more relieved that I don’t have to worry about a Senator Kemp trying to sabotage President Trump.
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I'm at the point where I want 5 year sunsets on each and every law, too. Full stop. Gone, not able to be renewed. You have to re-vote each time.
If it's important enough you can pass it again.
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I'm at the point where I want 5 year sunsets on each and every law, too. Full stop. Gone, not able to be renewed. You have to re-vote each time.
If it's important enough you can pass it again.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you donated for free? at May 12, 2025 11:04 AM (SHl2J)
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I’d rather Jon Ossoff take up a Democrat committee seat on a Republican-controlled committee than have a Brian Kemp take a Republican committee seat and then use it to flip the committee to advance the Democrats’ agenda.
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A salient -- if not cromulent -- point, Buck.
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A salient -- if not cromulent -- point, Buck.
Posted by: ShainS -- Sovereignty Trumps Journalism (#OrangeHorseBad)! at May 12, 2025 11:06 AM (9GWH6)
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If you ever wondered who is really on what team -
TOTALLY WORTHLESS: GOP Controlled House and Senate Sent Fewer Bills to GOP President Than Any Congress in 70 Years
Read on the internet so you know it is true.
TOTALLY WORTHLESS: GOP Controlled House and Senate Sent Fewer Bills to GOP President Than Any Congress in 70 Years
Read on the internet so you know it is true.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 12, 2025 11:06 AM (/lPRQ)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:06 AM (Zz0t1)
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-- Would I rather have Ossoff in the Senate for one more term than Kemp in the Senate for decades? Yes, I would! --
So would I. Ossoff can be defeated -- and will be. Kemp would become a RINO fixture, and owing to Reagan's 11th commandment ("Thou shalt speak no ill of a fellow Republican") would never be seriously challenged,
So would I. Ossoff can be defeated -- and will be. Kemp would become a RINO fixture, and owing to Reagan's 11th commandment ("Thou shalt speak no ill of a fellow Republican") would never be seriously challenged,
Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at May 12, 2025 11:06 AM (Nmmyc)
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What is your response? pic.twitter.com/5PTU0z5Ms8
— The Calvin Coolidge Project (@TheCalvinCooli1) May 7, 2025
F*ck right off with that nonsense.
What is your response? pic.twitter.com/5PTU0z5Ms8
— The Calvin Coolidge Project (@TheCalvinCooli1) May 7, 2025
F*ck right off with that nonsense.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:07 AM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 11:07 AM (ExV1e)
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I do have to note that Kemp had a better record on Covid than just about any other governor, excepting DeSantis and Noem.
That said, I'm not sorry to see the back of him.
That said, I'm not sorry to see the back of him.
Posted by: Dr. T at May 12, 2025 11:07 AM (KKJEY)
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I agree with this. It is insane that Georgia has two D Senators but the Murkowskis and Collins etc convince me you are absolutely correct in this analysis.
It is amazing that Democrats always, always toe the party line while self righteous Republicans think they are heroes when they stab Republicans in the back.
It is amazing that Democrats always, always toe the party line while self righteous Republicans think they are heroes when they stab Republicans in the back.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 12, 2025 11:08 AM (t/2Uw)
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Jon Ossoff is in the Senate now because MAGA voters did not want a RINO in the Senate.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at May 12, 2025 11:09 AM (Vh9CX)
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I'm at the point where I want 5 year sunsets on each and every law, too. Full stop. Gone, not able to be renewed. You have to re-vote each time.
If it's important enough you can pass it again.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you donated for free? at May 12, 2025 11:04 AM (SHl2J)
And no fucking omnibus "We re-pass all the laws that were sunsetting this year" bullshit.
And no regulations not passed by Congress.
And zero baseline budgets. And budgets.
And a pony. I might actually get that.
If it's important enough you can pass it again.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you donated for free? at May 12, 2025 11:04 AM (SHl2J)
And no fucking omnibus "We re-pass all the laws that were sunsetting this year" bullshit.
And no regulations not passed by Congress.
And zero baseline budgets. And budgets.
And a pony. I might actually get that.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 11:09 AM (ExV1e)
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I get all the arguments about not electing the odious Brian Kemp. It's a shame that NC can't do better. Still, I'd probably choose him over Ossoff. I prioritize today and the near future over what might be in 20 years. We have a window now with Trump, and I'll accept some less than ideal people in order to move his agenda forward.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 12, 2025 11:10 AM (s8j++)
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China has blinked.
U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods will be 30%, while the Chinese tariffs on U.S. goods will be 10%. This is effective for 90 days while more talks take place.
The stench of desperation is strong in the "journalist" community as they attempt to somehow spin this as a defeat for Trump.
U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods will be 30%, while the Chinese tariffs on U.S. goods will be 10%. This is effective for 90 days while more talks take place.
The stench of desperation is strong in the "journalist" community as they attempt to somehow spin this as a defeat for Trump.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:10 AM (W5ArC)
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Kemp will learn the national stage is not GA. Maybe that will be the end of his career. We can dream.
Posted by: Piper at May 12, 2025 11:10 AM (p4NUW)
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I hate Brian Kemp and all of the weird RINO, Anti-MAGA, GOP squishes in GA. My son lives in Savannah next door to a GOP mover and shaker consultant of the privileged class. In 2016, the only campaign sign on his lawn was for water commissioner or some such BS, because he couldn't bear to even think of voting for Trump. He has reluctantly moved to the right, but I would never trust him. There are a lot of Kemps and Ratshitburgers in the state. Need to purge them.
Posted by: Mega Ultra MAGA Man at May 12, 2025 11:10 AM (G5+As)
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My opinion is let GA decide. I absolutely hate outside influence on State elections.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:11 AM (VofaG)
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“There is a need to be able to give an opportunity for someone to be able to make an argument before they are removed from the country.”
They had the opportunity to make an argument before coming. They declined. I decline in return.
They had the opportunity to make an argument before coming. They declined. I decline in return.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 11:11 AM (ExV1e)
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What is your response? pic.twitter.com/5PTU0z5Ms8
— The Calvin Coolidge Project (@TheCalvinCooli1) May 7, 2025
F*ck right off with that nonsense.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:07 AM (Zz0t1)
Wasn’t Lankford the one trying to sneak through a mass amnesty bill during Biden’s term? What’s his damage?
— The Calvin Coolidge Project (@TheCalvinCooli1) May 7, 2025
F*ck right off with that nonsense.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:07 AM (Zz0t1)
Wasn’t Lankford the one trying to sneak through a mass amnesty bill during Biden’s term? What’s his damage?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 12, 2025 11:11 AM (l3YAf)
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DJT and RFKjr announce drug price controls. 30% to 80% off.
As long as they think they can "control" prices, they might as well make it 100% off.
This is conservatism? This is an incentive for drug manufacturers to reshore in the USA?
As long as they think they can "control" prices, they might as well make it 100% off.
This is conservatism? This is an incentive for drug manufacturers to reshore in the USA?
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:11 AM (QbjEj)
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I see the new Pope is already coming out in favor of human trafficking.
I like Homan's response though telling the Pope to fix the church instead of worrying about America protecting itself.
I like Homan's response though telling the Pope to fix the church instead of worrying about America protecting itself.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 12, 2025 11:11 AM (t0Rmr)
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It is amazing that Democrats always, always toe the party line while self righteous Republicans think they are heroes when they stab Republicans in the back.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)
McCain set the bar high and many GOPes hope to live up to legacy.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)
McCain set the bar high and many GOPes hope to live up to legacy.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 12, 2025 11:11 AM (/lPRQ)
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I think any conservative could sweep Georgia if the election is fair.
Until then kiss it goodbye. A lib will win by a margin just outside automatic recount in after election day vote counting of mail in and provisional ballots with the republican winning ON election day but eventualy loosing.
It's easily predictable now.
Until then kiss it goodbye. A lib will win by a margin just outside automatic recount in after election day vote counting of mail in and provisional ballots with the republican winning ON election day but eventualy loosing.
It's easily predictable now.
Posted by: Reforger at May 12, 2025 11:12 AM (xcIvR)
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Good to see some of the COB's getting recognition for their brilliant work they've been doing here for quite some time.
Good for you, Buck.
Hope you're getting some of that paywall pay.
Good for you, Buck.
Hope you're getting some of that paywall pay.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:12 AM (Zz0t1)
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How did the Republican Party get so deeply infested with Rinos?
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at May 12, 2025 11:12 AM (kTd/k)
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Kemp will learn the national stage is not GA. Maybe that will be the end of his career. We can dream.
Posted by: Piper at May 12, 2025 11:10 AM (p4NUW)
They never go away.
See: Liz Cheney
Posted by: Piper at May 12, 2025 11:10 AM (p4NUW)
They never go away.
See: Liz Cheney
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:13 AM (Zz0t1)
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How did the Republican Party get so deeply infested with Rinos?
Posted by: Northernlurker
Money.
Everything goes back to USAID.
Posted by: Northernlurker
Money.
Everything goes back to USAID.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:13 AM (4dDXL)
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How did the Republican Party get so deeply infested with Rinos?
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at May 12, 2025 11:12 AM (kTd/k)
$$$$ from leftist billionaires.
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at May 12, 2025 11:12 AM (kTd/k)
$$$$ from leftist billionaires.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:13 AM (Zz0t1)
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How did the Republican Party get so deeply infested with Rinos?
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at May 12, 2025 11:12 AM (kTd/k)
Always has been. Guys like Reagan and Joe McCarthy were the exception, and the GOPe tried to destroy them both.
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at May 12, 2025 11:12 AM (kTd/k)
Always has been. Guys like Reagan and Joe McCarthy were the exception, and the GOPe tried to destroy them both.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 12, 2025 11:14 AM (l3YAf)
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Kemp really went sidewise after his staffer/daughter's boyfriend was murdered.
Oh, sorry, after the guy's car just exploded as you know cars often do.
Oh, sorry, after the guy's car just exploded as you know cars often do.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 12, 2025 11:14 AM (t0Rmr)
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Kemp doesn’t have a chance in hell of being nominated for president.
All him running would do is give all of us outside Georgia a chance to show how little we think of him.
All him running would do is give all of us outside Georgia a chance to show how little we think of him.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 12, 2025 11:14 AM (jbnUc)
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It is amazing that Democrats always, always toe the party line while self righteous Republicans think they are heroes when they stab Republicans in the back.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 12, 2025 11:08 AM (t/2Uw)
The DS is leftist. Democrats who toe the Party line know that the machine has their back. No investigations into shady monetary arrangements or sexual dalliances with minors or pharmacological enjoyments. Republicans who stab their voters in the back get much the same forbearance.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 12, 2025 11:08 AM (t/2Uw)
The DS is leftist. Democrats who toe the Party line know that the machine has their back. No investigations into shady monetary arrangements or sexual dalliances with minors or pharmacological enjoyments. Republicans who stab their voters in the back get much the same forbearance.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 11:14 AM (ExV1e)
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Good to see some of the COB's getting recognition for their brilliant work they've been doing here for quite some time.
Good for you, Buck.
Hope you're getting some of that paywall pay.
Posted by: Sponge
COB pizza party in the breakroom!!!!
Good for you, Buck.
Hope you're getting some of that paywall pay.
Posted by: Sponge
COB pizza party in the breakroom!!!!
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:14 AM (4dDXL)
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Sure dude. Remember when you predicted with confidence that the RINOs would be checked in the TX HR?
Ha. The Burrowcrats run the place (h/t, RWP) and my State Rep, Ken King (RINO-Canadian) is keeping bills banning taxpayer funded lobbying among other things bottled up in the State Affairs Committee, which he chairs. If not heard by May 15, the bills die.
Ha. The Burrowcrats run the place (h/t, RWP) and my State Rep, Ken King (RINO-Canadian) is keeping bills banning taxpayer funded lobbying among other things bottled up in the State Affairs Committee, which he chairs. If not heard by May 15, the bills die.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:14 AM (gPWpV)
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> 24 DJT and RFKjr announce drug price controls. 30% to 80% off.
It's not a "price control" at all. They can still sell the drugs for any price they want.
They just can't sell it for 15 cents in Canada and $500 in the United States.
It's not a "price control" at all. They can still sell the drugs for any price they want.
They just can't sell it for 15 cents in Canada and $500 in the United States.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:15 AM (W5ArC)
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We are supposed to believe a red state that voted for Trump would also vote for Tossoff and the Warlock. Sure...
Posted by: 18-1 at May 12, 2025 11:15 AM (t0Rmr)
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The only difference of any significance between Democrats and rank-and-file Republicans is the party name and the color of the pin they wear during election season (red or blue.)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 12, 2025 11:15 AM (Q4IgG)
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31 How did the Republican Party get so deeply infested with Rinos?
Posted by: Northernlurker
Money.
Everything goes back to USAID.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:13 AM (4dDXL)
32 How did the Republican Party get so deeply infested with Rinos?
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at May 12, 2025 11:12 AM (kTd/k)
$$$$ from leftist billionaires.
Posted by: Sponge
Duuuuuude....
Posted by: Northernlurker
Money.
Everything goes back to USAID.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:13 AM (4dDXL)
32 How did the Republican Party get so deeply infested with Rinos?
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at May 12, 2025 11:12 AM (kTd/k)
$$$$ from leftist billionaires.
Posted by: Sponge
Duuuuuude....
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:15 AM (4dDXL)
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>>>No more Cornyns. No more Cassidys. No more Romneys. No more Lankfords. No More Murkowskis.
I have it easy by comparison.
My state is infested with mouthbreathing blue assholes. I effectively don't get a Senator and never have to worry about electing a RINO.
I have it easy by comparison.
My state is infested with mouthbreathing blue assholes. I effectively don't get a Senator and never have to worry about electing a RINO.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 11:15 AM (i24o9)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:17 AM (Zz0t1)
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How did the Republican Party get so deeply infested with Rinos?
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at May 12, 2025 11:12 AM (kTd/k)
Blackmail, vote fraud, taquiyya and the neocon movement but mostly blackmail, taquiyya and vote fraud.
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at May 12, 2025 11:12 AM (kTd/k)
Blackmail, vote fraud, taquiyya and the neocon movement but mostly blackmail, taquiyya and vote fraud.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 11:17 AM (M/gGe)
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My opinion is let GA decide. I absolutely hate outside influence on State elections.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
Except that Georgia's choice of US Senator affects every other state as well.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
Except that Georgia's choice of US Senator affects every other state as well.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:17 AM (77rzZ)
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24 DJT and RFKjr announce drug price controls. 30% to 80% off.
As long as they think they can "control" prices, they might as well make it 100% off.
This is conservatism? This is an incentive for drug manufacturers to reshore in the USA?
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:11 AM (QbjEj)
I’m looking forward to drug shortages. Happens every damn time. But Americans love the idea of the police setting prices.
As long as they think they can "control" prices, they might as well make it 100% off.
This is conservatism? This is an incentive for drug manufacturers to reshore in the USA?
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:11 AM (QbjEj)
I’m looking forward to drug shortages. Happens every damn time. But Americans love the idea of the police setting prices.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:17 AM (gPWpV)
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39 > 24 DJT and RFKjr announce drug price controls. 30% to 80% off.
It's not a "price control" at all. They can still sell the drugs for any price they want.
They just can't sell it for 15 cents in Canada and $500 in the United States.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
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I'm curious as to how this scenario will play out. Only sell to US for $500 (or more), sell worldwide including US for 15c, or settle in at a worldwide price of somewhere between, say $100.
It's not a "price control" at all. They can still sell the drugs for any price they want.
They just can't sell it for 15 cents in Canada and $500 in the United States.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
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I'm curious as to how this scenario will play out. Only sell to US for $500 (or more), sell worldwide including US for 15c, or settle in at a worldwide price of somewhere between, say $100.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 12, 2025 11:18 AM (Dv3i1)
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"They just can't sell it for 15 cents in Canada and $500 in the United States."
So it's a price control on Canada only? The US price of $500 remains "uncontrolled?"
So it's a price control on Canada only? The US price of $500 remains "uncontrolled?"
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:18 AM (QbjEj)
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> I’m looking forward to drug shortages.
How is mandating that they sell the drug for the same price (chosen by the drug company) everywhere going to produce a "drug shortage"?
Be specific.
How is mandating that they sell the drug for the same price (chosen by the drug company) everywhere going to produce a "drug shortage"?
Be specific.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:19 AM (W5ArC)
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How did the Republican Party get so deeply infested with Rinos?
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Communism.
The best, most easy way I've seen it explained:
100% of Democrats are communists.
50% of Republicans are Democrats.
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Communism.
The best, most easy way I've seen it explained:
100% of Democrats are communists.
50% of Republicans are Democrats.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you donated for free? at May 12, 2025 11:19 AM (SHl2J)
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They just can't sell it for 15 cents in Canada and $500 in the United States.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:15 AM (W5ArC)
What if Canada forces them to sell to them for 15 cents? By way of subsidies or the point of a gun? Does anyone remember that the government is in control of medicine in Canada?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:15 AM (W5ArC)
What if Canada forces them to sell to them for 15 cents? By way of subsidies or the point of a gun? Does anyone remember that the government is in control of medicine in Canada?
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:19 AM (gPWpV)
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Kemp will learn the national stage is not GA. Maybe that will be the end of his career. We can dream.
He's delusional. 98% of the country will say "who?".
He's delusional. 98% of the country will say "who?".
Posted by: Archimedes at May 12, 2025 11:19 AM (s8j++)
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I’m surprised the drug price cut is only up to 80%. Many drugs sell for next to nothing in dirt poor countries like India, Cuba and France.
Maybe Trump specifically exempted the poors.
I’ve been begging for drug price equalization since 2012 or so, so this is a win.
Maybe Trump specifically exempted the poors.
I’ve been begging for drug price equalization since 2012 or so, so this is a win.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 12, 2025 11:20 AM (l3YAf)
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"But Americans love the idea of the police setting prices."
As long as DJT is for it, then MAGA will loudly cheer it, even though it makes NO frickin sense.
As long as DJT is for it, then MAGA will loudly cheer it, even though it makes NO frickin sense.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:20 AM (QbjEj)
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Why are there so many RINOs?
1) The left has a full activist structure that most of their candidate go through where they are forced to wholly commit to the cause at lower levels. Republicans usually just show up because they got famous or are rich.
2) Fail as a Democrat candidate and you go right back into the NGO structure. Fails as a RINO and you get to go back to the smaller RINO NGO structure. Fail as a MAGA type? Hope you have enough money to live on since you aren't getting hired again in your career if you don't live in a bright red region
1) The left has a full activist structure that most of their candidate go through where they are forced to wholly commit to the cause at lower levels. Republicans usually just show up because they got famous or are rich.
2) Fail as a Democrat candidate and you go right back into the NGO structure. Fails as a RINO and you get to go back to the smaller RINO NGO structure. Fail as a MAGA type? Hope you have enough money to live on since you aren't getting hired again in your career if you don't live in a bright red region
Posted by: 18-1 at May 12, 2025 11:20 AM (t0Rmr)
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He has reluctantly moved to the right, but I would never trust him. There are a lot of Kemps and Ratshitburgers in the state. Need to purge them.
Posted by: Mega Ultra MAGA Man at May 12, 2025 11:10 AM (G5+As)
The South has a lot of Democrats who call themselves Republicans because that's who gets elected.
Posted by: Mega Ultra MAGA Man at May 12, 2025 11:10 AM (G5+As)
The South has a lot of Democrats who call themselves Republicans because that's who gets elected.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 11:20 AM (ExV1e)
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I’m looking forward to drug shortages.
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The hilarious part will be when consumers are moved to $3 generics and realize "Wait, these are doing the exact same thing. Why was I on a $500 pill?"
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The hilarious part will be when consumers are moved to $3 generics and realize "Wait, these are doing the exact same thing. Why was I on a $500 pill?"
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you donated for free? at May 12, 2025 11:20 AM (SHl2J)
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> So it's a price control on Canada only? The US price of $500 remains "uncontrolled?"
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:18 AM (QbjEj)
No. If they sell it for 15 cents in Canada, they have to sell it for 15 cents in the United States. If they sell it for $500 in the United States, they have to sell it for $500 in Canada.
In a more realistic scenario, one drug I take is $1000 in the United States, but only $500 in Canada.
No more allowing U.S. consumers to subsidize the socialized medicine in other countries.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:18 AM (QbjEj)
No. If they sell it for 15 cents in Canada, they have to sell it for 15 cents in the United States. If they sell it for $500 in the United States, they have to sell it for $500 in Canada.
In a more realistic scenario, one drug I take is $1000 in the United States, but only $500 in Canada.
No more allowing U.S. consumers to subsidize the socialized medicine in other countries.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:21 AM (W5ArC)
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Way, way too many words about Kemp. Only really should take two: F him.
Not even two whole words.
Not even two whole words.
Posted by: Django at May 12, 2025 11:21 AM (bbuBP)
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How is mandating that they sell the drug for the same price (chosen by the drug company) everywhere going to produce a "drug shortage"?
Be specific.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:19 AM (W5ArC)
Price controls produce shortages, Basic economics.
Specific example: stores were not permitted to sell toilet paper paper at $20/roll during the coof freak out in 2020. Result? Empty shelves.
Be specific.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:19 AM (W5ArC)
Price controls produce shortages, Basic economics.
Specific example: stores were not permitted to sell toilet paper paper at $20/roll during the coof freak out in 2020. Result? Empty shelves.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:21 AM (gPWpV)
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Tom Homan is my spirit animal.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at May 12, 2025 11:21 AM (ERTmx)
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24. Meh, I don't have a problem with the feds telling drug companies that medicare, medicaid are done paying 2 to 3 times what those companies charge Canada etc. I doubt that the feds can set the prices insurance companies pay, but most insurance companies are going to tell Bayer, et al that they aint going to pay 2 to 3 times what medicare pays. There is no reason that the U.S. needs to subsidize drugs for the rest of the world.
Posted by: PaleRider at May 12, 2025 11:21 AM (bP/i4)
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Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:11 AM (QbjEj)
I mostly agree with you. Remove regulations that cause higher prices but don't put price controls on generic drugs. I do think there should be some limit to what Pharms can charge on a product they have a monopoly on. I say this based on the example of the guy who bought a specific drug manufacturer and raised the price over 1000%.
Maybe some policy that if the pharm prices their drug above X that they lose their patent exclusivity and generics can be manufactured for competition.
I mostly agree with you. Remove regulations that cause higher prices but don't put price controls on generic drugs. I do think there should be some limit to what Pharms can charge on a product they have a monopoly on. I say this based on the example of the guy who bought a specific drug manufacturer and raised the price over 1000%.
Maybe some policy that if the pharm prices their drug above X that they lose their patent exclusivity and generics can be manufactured for competition.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:21 AM (VofaG)
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Kemp is the Rick Perry of Mitt Romneys.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 11:21 AM (sYVcz)
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I’m looking forward to drug shortages. Happens every damn time. But Americans love the idea of the police setting prices.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33
Damn straight. When they sell the exact same pill in Canada for .15 cents that they charge $5.00 a pill for in the US, I want the drug company's CEO to have a financial proctological exam.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33
Damn straight. When they sell the exact same pill in Canada for .15 cents that they charge $5.00 a pill for in the US, I want the drug company's CEO to have a financial proctological exam.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:21 AM (4dDXL)
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> As long as DJT is for it, then MAGA will loudly cheer it, even though it makes NO frickin sense.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:20 AM (QbjEj)
LOL!
As I've said before, Trump could cure cancer and you communists would be screeching about all the oncologists he's put out of work.
Suck it, commie.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:20 AM (QbjEj)
LOL!
As I've said before, Trump could cure cancer and you communists would be screeching about all the oncologists he's put out of work.
Suck it, commie.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:21 AM (W5ArC)
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It is my believe that if people changed their diet and got some exercise, the need for all these poisons from Big Parma would be unnecessary.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:22 AM (Zz0t1)
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"But Americans love the idea of the police setting prices."
As long as DJT is for it, then MAGA will loudly cheer it, even though it makes NO frickin sense.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:20 AM (QbjEj)
Slayed that strawman like a boss.
As long as DJT is for it, then MAGA will loudly cheer it, even though it makes NO frickin sense.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:20 AM (QbjEj)
Slayed that strawman like a boss.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 11:22 AM (i24o9)
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> Price controls produce shortages, Basic economics.
Except that this isn't a "price control". Basic literacy.
Except that this isn't a "price control". Basic literacy.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:22 AM (W5ArC)
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"No. If they sell it for 15 cents in Canada, they have to sell it for 15 cents in the United States. If they sell it for $500 in the United States, they have to sell it for $500 in Canada."
That sure does sound like price controls to me.
That sure does sound like price controls to me.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:22 AM (QbjEj)
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You don't want my response to Lankford and I prefer to remain a commenter here...
Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2025 11:23 AM (VE6XX)
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No. If they sell it for 15 cents in Canada, they have to sell it for 15 cents in the United States. If they sell it for $500 in the United States, they have to sell it for $500 in Canada.
In a more realistic scenario, one drug I take is $1000 in the United States, but only $500 in Canada.
No more allowing U.S. consumers to subsidize the socialized medicine in other countries.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:21 AM (W5ArC)
That is the point. There is no free market in medicine, so relying on free market has been a fail. This is a response to that fail.
In a more realistic scenario, one drug I take is $1000 in the United States, but only $500 in Canada.
No more allowing U.S. consumers to subsidize the socialized medicine in other countries.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:21 AM (W5ArC)
That is the point. There is no free market in medicine, so relying on free market has been a fail. This is a response to that fail.
Posted by: Nova Local at May 12, 2025 11:23 AM (tOcjL)
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What if Canada forces them to sell to them for 15 cents? By way of subsidies or the point of a gun? Does anyone remember that the government is in control of medicine in Canada?
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:19 AM (gPWpV)
The Pfizer will have to sell it for 15 cents here or stop selling it in Canada.
I don’t think the EO applies to subsidies, just the price charged by the pharma co.
But go ahead and light your hair on fire. It’s more important to support “free trade” that isn’t free so long as Americans get screwed over again, right?
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:19 AM (gPWpV)
The Pfizer will have to sell it for 15 cents here or stop selling it in Canada.
I don’t think the EO applies to subsidies, just the price charged by the pharma co.
But go ahead and light your hair on fire. It’s more important to support “free trade” that isn’t free so long as Americans get screwed over again, right?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 12, 2025 11:23 AM (l3YAf)
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56 Why are there so many RINOs?
1) The left has a full activist structure that most of their candidate go through where they are forced to wholly commit to the cause at lower levels. Republicans usually just show up because they got famous or are rich.
2) Fail as a Democrat candidate and you go right back into the NGO structure. Fails as a RINO and you get to go back to the smaller RINO NGO structure. Fail as a MAGA type? Hope you have enough money to live on since you aren't getting hired again in your career if you don't live in a bright red region
Posted by: 18-1 at May 12, 2025 11:20 AM (t0Rmr)
In the case of TX, the RINOs would happily be Dems if they knew they could win elections. So they pretend to be Republicans to win elections.
1) The left has a full activist structure that most of their candidate go through where they are forced to wholly commit to the cause at lower levels. Republicans usually just show up because they got famous or are rich.
2) Fail as a Democrat candidate and you go right back into the NGO structure. Fails as a RINO and you get to go back to the smaller RINO NGO structure. Fail as a MAGA type? Hope you have enough money to live on since you aren't getting hired again in your career if you don't live in a bright red region
Posted by: 18-1 at May 12, 2025 11:20 AM (t0Rmr)
In the case of TX, the RINOs would happily be Dems if they knew they could win elections. So they pretend to be Republicans to win elections.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:23 AM (gPWpV)
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There is no reason that the U.S. needs to subsidize drugs for the rest of the world.
Posted by: PaleRider
If anything, the rest of the world needs to subsidize the US. Or tell them to go R&D their own drugs.
Can't afford to? Tough shit.
Posted by: PaleRider
If anything, the rest of the world needs to subsidize the US. Or tell them to go R&D their own drugs.
Can't afford to? Tough shit.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:23 AM (4dDXL)
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Big pharma will have a judge issue an injunction by the end of the week if not sooner.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 12, 2025 11:24 AM (u73oe)
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Thank you, Sponge.
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at May 12, 2025 11:24 AM (tQQis)
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"Suck it, commie."
Oh fuck you. I voted for the guy three times. I earned the right to criticize him when he fucks up.
A price controller calling *me* a commie. It's more pathetic than funny.
Oh fuck you. I voted for the guy three times. I earned the right to criticize him when he fucks up.
A price controller calling *me* a commie. It's more pathetic than funny.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:24 AM (QbjEj)
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It is my believe that if people changed their diet and got some exercise, the need for all these poisons from Big Parma would be unnecessary.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
Yep. That's one of the reasons I'm trying to cut back on my alcohol consumption. Wanna get rid of all the damned meds.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
Yep. That's one of the reasons I'm trying to cut back on my alcohol consumption. Wanna get rid of all the damned meds.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:24 AM (77rzZ)
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But go ahead and light your hair on fire. It’s more important to support “free trade” that isn’t free so long as Americans get screwed over again, right?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 12, 2025 11:23 AM (l3YAf)
You hate freedom and don’t think it’s worth defending anyway so why do you care?
You want the police setting prices because at heart you love Big Government, that’s not me setting my hair on fire. It’s the truth.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 12, 2025 11:23 AM (l3YAf)
You hate freedom and don’t think it’s worth defending anyway so why do you care?
You want the police setting prices because at heart you love Big Government, that’s not me setting my hair on fire. It’s the truth.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:24 AM (gPWpV)
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 11:24 AM (M/gGe)
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I watch Trump and Kemp at the joint appearances during the campaign.
Trump was far more friendly and complementary toward Kemp than he deserved.
I am still scratching my head trying to see the future calculus behind Trump appointing Loeffer to the SBA. She, a favored daughter of the GA GOPe.
She has been handed a significant opportunity to make changes and is, so far, striving to be insignificant and further her irrelevance.
Trump was far more friendly and complementary toward Kemp than he deserved.
I am still scratching my head trying to see the future calculus behind Trump appointing Loeffer to the SBA. She, a favored daughter of the GA GOPe.
She has been handed a significant opportunity to make changes and is, so far, striving to be insignificant and further her irrelevance.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 11:24 AM (sYVcz)
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Forget any of this.. Trump is getting a free plane... Must impeach now !
Posted by: your sycophant press at May 12, 2025 11:25 AM (VE6XX)
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> That sure does sound like price controls to me.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:22 AM (QbjEj)
Read this very carefully: the drug company can charge any price they want. The government is not setting the prices.
It's not a "price control".
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:22 AM (QbjEj)
Read this very carefully: the drug company can charge any price they want. The government is not setting the prices.
It's not a "price control".
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:25 AM (W5ArC)
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Re the art thread: I think that's a sluice gate.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at May 12, 2025 11:25 AM (ckQml)
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> A price controller calling *me* a commie. It's more pathetic than funny.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:24 AM (QbjEj)
Give it a rest, commie.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:24 AM (QbjEj)
Give it a rest, commie.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:25 AM (W5ArC)
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45 How did the Republican Party get so deeply infested with Rinos?
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at May 12, 2025 11:12 AM (kTd/k)
Blackmail, vote fraud, taquiyya and the neocon movement but mostly blackmail, taquiyya and vote fraud.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 11:17 AM (M/gGe)
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The RINO has a long, storied history.
Taft vs. Rockefeller, just to only go back to the 50s.
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at May 12, 2025 11:12 AM (kTd/k)
Blackmail, vote fraud, taquiyya and the neocon movement but mostly blackmail, taquiyya and vote fraud.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 11:17 AM (M/gGe)
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The RINO has a long, storied history.
Taft vs. Rockefeller, just to only go back to the 50s.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:25 AM (GBKbO)
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My opinion is let GA decide. I absolutely hate outside influence on State elections.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
Except that Georgia's choice of US Senator affects every other state as well.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:17 AM (77rzZ)
You want it both ways . State Rights and but also a say in a state other than yours to decide who they elect.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
Except that Georgia's choice of US Senator affects every other state as well.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:17 AM (77rzZ)
You want it both ways . State Rights and but also a say in a state other than yours to decide who they elect.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:26 AM (VofaG)
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What if Canada forces them to sell to them for 15 cents? By way of subsidies or the point of a gun? Does anyone remember that the government is in control of medicine in Canada?
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:19 AM (gPWpV)
1. They can refuse to sell the drugs to Canada.
2. If Canada breaks the patent to have it produced and sold by a different company, that's what the government is for.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:19 AM (gPWpV)
1. They can refuse to sell the drugs to Canada.
2. If Canada breaks the patent to have it produced and sold by a different company, that's what the government is for.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 11:26 AM (ExV1e)
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What if Canada forces them to sell to them for 15 cents? By way of subsidies or the point of a gun? Does anyone remember that the government is in control of medicine in Canada?
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33
At .15 cents a pill, there is no incentive to sell it. Not when they are selling it for $5.00 in the US.
Tell Canada to pound sand and R&D their own shit.
Or they can stfu and pay what they're told to pay.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33
At .15 cents a pill, there is no incentive to sell it. Not when they are selling it for $5.00 in the US.
Tell Canada to pound sand and R&D their own shit.
Or they can stfu and pay what they're told to pay.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:26 AM (4dDXL)
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We can add Lindsey Grahamnesty's name to that RINO list. Always demanding a hearing on this 'outrage' du jour, and then doing diddly squat.
Posted by: Ghost of the Tsar at May 12, 2025 11:26 AM (dweVS)
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> You want the police setting prices because at heart you love Big Government, that’s not me setting my hair on fire. It’s the truth.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:24 AM (gPWpV)
Cry harder, commie.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:24 AM (gPWpV)
Cry harder, commie.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:26 AM (W5ArC)
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>>>Homan's response though telling the Pope to fix the church instead of worrying about America protecting itself.
Border Czar Tom vs Pope Bob.
"Shut up, Bob," said Tom.
Border Czar Tom vs Pope Bob.
"Shut up, Bob," said Tom.
Posted by: one hour sober at May 12, 2025 11:27 AM (Y1sOo)
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Price controls produce shortages, Basic economics.
Specific example: stores were not permitted to sell toilet paper paper at $20/roll during the coof freak out in 2020. Result? Empty shelves.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:21 AM (gPWpV)
But drugs aren’t a commodity where the shelves will be stripped bare by consumers at Walmart.
If anything, this will reduce the number of drugs sold, increasing supply.
Specific example: stores were not permitted to sell toilet paper paper at $20/roll during the coof freak out in 2020. Result? Empty shelves.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:21 AM (gPWpV)
But drugs aren’t a commodity where the shelves will be stripped bare by consumers at Walmart.
If anything, this will reduce the number of drugs sold, increasing supply.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 12, 2025 11:27 AM (l3YAf)
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Georgia Republican voters don't do run offs.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:27 AM (VofaG)
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If anything, the rest of the world needs to subsidize the US. Or tell them to go R&D their own drugs.
Can't afford to? Tough shit.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:23 AM (4dDXL)
Now THAT I can live with. Countries that baby their people with “free” medical care do not do any research whatsoever for drugs or procedures or anything. There are medical centers and universities that by themselves have larger research budgets than, say, that of Canada.
Better would be for Trump and Co to tell those freeloaders to at least pay for the research (in part) that we do or go get bent.
Can't afford to? Tough shit.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:23 AM (4dDXL)
Now THAT I can live with. Countries that baby their people with “free” medical care do not do any research whatsoever for drugs or procedures or anything. There are medical centers and universities that by themselves have larger research budgets than, say, that of Canada.
Better would be for Trump and Co to tell those freeloaders to at least pay for the research (in part) that we do or go get bent.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:27 AM (gPWpV)
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Kemp will learn the national stage is not GA. Maybe that will be the end of his career. We can dream.
The government is inserting itself into the calculation a company uses when it decides what price to charge for its products. That's a price control, or close enough that arguing it isn't is just silly.
The government is inserting itself into the calculation a company uses when it decides what price to charge for its products. That's a price control, or close enough that arguing it isn't is just silly.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 12, 2025 11:28 AM (s8j++)
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You want it both ways . State Rights and but also a say in a state other than yours to decide who they elect.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
I don't want other states sending squishes and commies to the Senate. Is that so hard to understand?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
I don't want other states sending squishes and commies to the Senate. Is that so hard to understand?
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:28 AM (77rzZ)
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40 We are supposed to believe a red state that voted for Trump would also vote for Tossoff and the Warlock. Sure...
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Ossoff got the 6 year ticket. Warnock go the 2 year ticket. Atlanta has its hierarchy.
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Ossoff got the 6 year ticket. Warnock go the 2 year ticket. Atlanta has its hierarchy.
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 11:28 AM (n17eQ)
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More on point...
My cutting edge med costs $45206/3 months in the US.
It costs $39828/3 months in Canada.
No idea what Europe pays, but China manufactures it...so why should Canada get to pay $6K/less every 3 months?
PS - The med is patent protected with 68 patents in the US...so, why are we screwing ourselves?
My cutting edge med costs $45206/3 months in the US.
It costs $39828/3 months in Canada.
No idea what Europe pays, but China manufactures it...so why should Canada get to pay $6K/less every 3 months?
PS - The med is patent protected with 68 patents in the US...so, why are we screwing ourselves?
Posted by: Nova Local at May 12, 2025 11:29 AM (tOcjL)
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As long as DJT is for it, then MAGA will loudly cheer it, even though it makes NO frickin sense.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:20 AM (QbjEj)
Tell me how it makes sense for the rest of the "first world" to pay a tenth what we pay for drugs.
Oh, they just negotiate better... oh, their government demands that they do but we shouldn't... oh, it's just really, really important for the American people to take it up the ass subsidizing every other fucking country on the planet because that's what we've always done and I can't imagine a difference.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:20 AM (QbjEj)
Tell me how it makes sense for the rest of the "first world" to pay a tenth what we pay for drugs.
Oh, they just negotiate better... oh, their government demands that they do but we shouldn't... oh, it's just really, really important for the American people to take it up the ass subsidizing every other fucking country on the planet because that's what we've always done and I can't imagine a difference.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 11:29 AM (ExV1e)
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Kemp would be a 6/10. Ossoff is 0/10.
To say you’d rather have 0 instead of 6 is nuts.
For all the shit Cornyn gets he voted yes for all 21 Trump cabinet nominees. Ossoff voted for 4.
Would Kenp be a Cornyn? Yeah sure. But I’ll take 21/21 over 4/21. Wouldn’t you?
To say you’d rather have 0 instead of 6 is nuts.
For all the shit Cornyn gets he voted yes for all 21 Trump cabinet nominees. Ossoff voted for 4.
Would Kenp be a Cornyn? Yeah sure. But I’ll take 21/21 over 4/21. Wouldn’t you?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 11:29 AM (e4LaW)
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"How did the Republican Party get so deeply infested with Rinos?"
Voters for the most part. Simple really. "Mean Tweets" ring any bells? It's the voters.
Voters for the most part. Simple really. "Mean Tweets" ring any bells? It's the voters.
Posted by: Django at May 12, 2025 11:30 AM (bbuBP)
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I'm battling with a bit of anxiety today and have for a bit now. Things are starting to get to me, I'll admit.
Daughter might've blown up her car last week, we'll find out. Hopefully the cause will be enough for insurance to take care of it. Otherwise, we owe on junk I can't afford to fix and still owe on.
I've got so many things I need to do to give my family what it wants and I can't see to get ahead of any of it. The pressure is overwhelming and I haven't even mentioned my job and my lack of desire to do it lately.
The LAST thing I'm going to do is run to my doctor and ask for something to make me a zombie. I will overcome my brain and make things happen. I really don't have a choice.
Daughter might've blown up her car last week, we'll find out. Hopefully the cause will be enough for insurance to take care of it. Otherwise, we owe on junk I can't afford to fix and still owe on.
I've got so many things I need to do to give my family what it wants and I can't see to get ahead of any of it. The pressure is overwhelming and I haven't even mentioned my job and my lack of desire to do it lately.
The LAST thing I'm going to do is run to my doctor and ask for something to make me a zombie. I will overcome my brain and make things happen. I really don't have a choice.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:30 AM (Zz0t1)
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If anything, the rest of the world needs to subsidize the US. Or tell them to go R&D their own drugs.
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I have serious doubts the bulk of drug R&D at these international companies occurs in the U.S.
I'm betting it's all just an excuse.
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I have serious doubts the bulk of drug R&D at these international companies occurs in the U.S.
I'm betting it's all just an excuse.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you donated for free? at May 12, 2025 11:30 AM (SHl2J)
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But drugs aren’t a commodity where the shelves will be stripped bare by consumers at Walmart.
If anything, this will reduce the number of drugs sold, increasing supply.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 12, 2025 11:27 AM (l3YAf)
So drugs are exempt from the laws of economics. How? Because YOU say so? Because someone passed a law?
Anytime price controls are introduced, you get shortages. Period. When no incentive exists to produce more, none will be produced.
If anything, this will reduce the number of drugs sold, increasing supply.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 12, 2025 11:27 AM (l3YAf)
So drugs are exempt from the laws of economics. How? Because YOU say so? Because someone passed a law?
Anytime price controls are introduced, you get shortages. Period. When no incentive exists to produce more, none will be produced.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:30 AM (gPWpV)
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The Horde was feisty that day, my friend.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 12, 2025 11:30 AM (u73oe)
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You hate freedom and don’t think it’s worth defending anyway so why do you care?
You want the police setting prices because at heart you love Big Government, that’s not me setting my hair on fire. It’s the truth.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:24 AM (gPWpV)
I love freedom and hate our gov’t.
I also recognize that drug patents are a gov’t created and enforced monopoly. They would not exist in a free market.
I don’t see any reason Americans should have to fund a disproportionate share of the cost of developing a new drug. Other countries can pay up.
Are you also anti-tariffs?
You want the police setting prices because at heart you love Big Government, that’s not me setting my hair on fire. It’s the truth.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:24 AM (gPWpV)
I love freedom and hate our gov’t.
I also recognize that drug patents are a gov’t created and enforced monopoly. They would not exist in a free market.
I don’t see any reason Americans should have to fund a disproportionate share of the cost of developing a new drug. Other countries can pay up.
Are you also anti-tariffs?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 12, 2025 11:30 AM (l3YAf)
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I am certain these new nics, lamenting the latest EO on drug prices, are severely severe, lifelong, concerned conservatives from red states who have always voted for Republicans since they first started voting in 1962.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 11:31 AM (sYVcz)
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Read this very carefully: the drug company can charge any price they want. The government is not setting the prices.
It's not a "price control".
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:25 AM (W5ArC)
Can you explain briefly because admittedly I only read the headlines. I should know they don't tell the accurate story.
It's not a "price control".
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:25 AM (W5ArC)
Can you explain briefly because admittedly I only read the headlines. I should know they don't tell the accurate story.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:31 AM (VofaG)
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Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:30 AM (Zz0t1)
I'm sorry to hear that, Sponge. You have been dealing with a lot lately. Prayer will be forthcoming.
I'm sorry to hear that, Sponge. You have been dealing with a lot lately. Prayer will be forthcoming.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:31 AM (77rzZ)
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Specific example: stores were not permitted to sell toilet paper paper at $20/roll during the coof freak out in 2020. Result? Empty shelves.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:21 AM (gPWpV)
Except that, unlike toilet paper, you cannot go to the drug store and buy 100 years worth of some prescription drug cuz it's cheap.
Distribution is controlled.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:21 AM (gPWpV)
Except that, unlike toilet paper, you cannot go to the drug store and buy 100 years worth of some prescription drug cuz it's cheap.
Distribution is controlled.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 11:31 AM (ExV1e)
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The market's up yuge on China trade deal news/optimism, and people are arguing over some guy's misunderstanding of price controls and whether we should elect RINOs.
Love this place.
Love this place.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 11:31 AM (i24o9)
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> So drugs are exempt from the laws of economics. How? Because YOU say so? Because someone passed a law?
At this point you're just trolling.
> Anytime price controls are introduced, you get shortages. Period. When no incentive exists to produce more, none will be produced.
Except this isn't a "price control".
I can only conclude that you're iliterate, dishonest, or both.
At this point you're just trolling.
> Anytime price controls are introduced, you get shortages. Period. When no incentive exists to produce more, none will be produced.
Except this isn't a "price control".
I can only conclude that you're iliterate, dishonest, or both.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:32 AM (W5ArC)
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Great post Buck, thx mm
One of the problems is MAGA people have to run. I like MTG but is she had decided to run the Dems , GOPe and most importantly some independents wouldn't vote for her . Collins the VA secretary should go back home and give it a shot
One of the problems is MAGA people have to run. I like MTG but is she had decided to run the Dems , GOPe and most importantly some independents wouldn't vote for her . Collins the VA secretary should go back home and give it a shot
Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 12, 2025 11:32 AM (4/Kdf)
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And as I read it, there is no intent to impose "price controls" for drugs. Just Trump and RFK jr telling the drug companies. Yeah, if you can make and sell that drug for the 1.59/dose you charge Canada Medicare is not going to pay you 7.79/dose. The only reason companies can get away with charging the U.S. so much extra is because Big Pharma invested so much money buying politicians and bureaucrats like Fauci.
Posted by: PaleRider at May 12, 2025 11:32 AM (bP/i4)
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Why do I have to subsidize the rest of the world, that hates me and defiles my character and values, for EVERYTHING? How is that "conservative"?
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 11:32 AM (M/gGe)
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Why is the same drug I buy in Canada 45 dollars a month and 500 dollars a month in the US ?
Posted by: your sycophant press at May 12, 2025 11:33 AM (VE6XX)
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The market's up yuge on China trade deal news/optimism, and people are arguing over some guy's misunderstanding of price controls and whether we should elect RINOs.
Love this place.
You sound suspiciously like a crossbow kind of guy. I'll be watching you.
Love this place.
You sound suspiciously like a crossbow kind of guy. I'll be watching you.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 12, 2025 11:33 AM (s8j++)
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"price controls are introduced, you get shortages. Period"
Yeah, those well documented Canadian and Yurrp drug shortages...
Yeah, those well documented Canadian and Yurrp drug shortages...
Posted by: Man at May 12, 2025 11:33 AM (tubbA)
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‘ The DS is leftist’
I’m glad someone else sees that. It drives me around the bend when someone says that the Left and Right are meaningless terms.
No. The they are not.
‘ The DS is leftist’
I’m glad someone else sees that. It drives me around the bend when someone says that the Left and Right are meaningless terms.
No. The they are not.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 12, 2025 11:33 AM (jbnUc)
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I'd like to think a presidential run for Kemp would be about as electrifying to the nation of voters as a wet dishrag.
Posted by: Lady in Black at May 12, 2025 11:33 AM (qBdHI)
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Interesting essay.
The Democrats are far better at exercising party discipline than the Republicans.
The Democrats are far better at exercising party discipline than the Republicans.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 11:33 AM (RIvkX)
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Hey, Rodrigo, good to see you here again.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:33 AM (77rzZ)
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110 "New" nics gp and Catch Thirty-Thr33, who've been here forever? You'll hunt for 'any' excuse or dodge to defend DJT when he fucks up, as I said above.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:34 AM (QbjEj)
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The Democrats are far better at exercising party discipline than the Republicans.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 11:33 AM (RIvkX)
Yes which is frustrating
The Democrats are far better at exercising party discipline than the Republicans.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 11:33 AM (RIvkX)
Yes which is frustrating
Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2025 11:34 AM (VE6XX)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)
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30 day supply of 1x a day .15 pill in Canada is $4.50. 2x a day would be $9.00
Same 30 day supply of 1x a day $5.00 a pill in the US is $150.00. 2x a day would be $300.00.
Drug companies have no incentive to sell if Canaduh demands .15 a pill.
Not at a $4.85 markup per pill in the US. Tell Canaduh to do their own R&D.
Same 30 day supply of 1x a day $5.00 a pill in the US is $150.00. 2x a day would be $300.00.
Drug companies have no incentive to sell if Canaduh demands .15 a pill.
Not at a $4.85 markup per pill in the US. Tell Canaduh to do their own R&D.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:34 AM (4dDXL)
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111 Read this very carefully: the drug company can charge any price they want. The government is not setting the prices.
It's not a "price control".
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:25 AM (W5ArC)
Can you explain briefly because admittedly I only read the headlines. I should know they don't tell the accurate story.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:31 AM (VofaG)
In the case of my drug, the one that charges $45K/3 months to the US and $39K/3 months to Canada, Beigene can now decide to...
1. Charge both countries $45K/3 months
2. Charge both countries $39K/3 months
3. Pick any price between the 2 (or even above and below) and charge the countries the same
Not a price control...but putting us on the same footing as countries who might be price controlling to our detriment.
I hear we're still negotiating trade deals with them...I'm sure this will now become a negotiation point there...
It's not a "price control".
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:25 AM (W5ArC)
Can you explain briefly because admittedly I only read the headlines. I should know they don't tell the accurate story.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:31 AM (VofaG)
In the case of my drug, the one that charges $45K/3 months to the US and $39K/3 months to Canada, Beigene can now decide to...
1. Charge both countries $45K/3 months
2. Charge both countries $39K/3 months
3. Pick any price between the 2 (or even above and below) and charge the countries the same
Not a price control...but putting us on the same footing as countries who might be price controlling to our detriment.
I hear we're still negotiating trade deals with them...I'm sure this will now become a negotiation point there...
Posted by: Nova Local at May 12, 2025 11:34 AM (tOcjL)
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Cry harder, commie.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:26 AM (W5ArC)
Risible. You have zero counter argument so you just name call.
I don’t support stomping out speculation and competition by using price controls and eliminating the price mechanism (which you support) and YOU call me a “commie”? Shut the fuck up, back away and go study economics so you can actually make a sound argument.
Time to go back to work.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:26 AM (W5ArC)
Risible. You have zero counter argument so you just name call.
I don’t support stomping out speculation and competition by using price controls and eliminating the price mechanism (which you support) and YOU call me a “commie”? Shut the fuck up, back away and go study economics so you can actually make a sound argument.
Time to go back to work.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:35 AM (gPWpV)
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Anytime price controls are introduced, you get shortages. Period. When no incentive exists to produce more, none will be produced.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:30 AM (gPWpV)
Drugs cost next to nothing to manufacture. That’s why they can sell a pill for 15 cents each in Europe and still make a profit. R&D is where the real expense is.
Pharma mfg is much closer to software development where all of the expense is in the first prototype; subsequent copies are cheap.
Most of the world have price controls on drugs, which is the point of the EO. No shortages caused by it because the company is still making a profit.
This is like reciprocal tariffs: leveling the playing field.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:30 AM (gPWpV)
Drugs cost next to nothing to manufacture. That’s why they can sell a pill for 15 cents each in Europe and still make a profit. R&D is where the real expense is.
Pharma mfg is much closer to software development where all of the expense is in the first prototype; subsequent copies are cheap.
Most of the world have price controls on drugs, which is the point of the EO. No shortages caused by it because the company is still making a profit.
This is like reciprocal tariffs: leveling the playing field.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 12, 2025 11:35 AM (l3YAf)
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The Democrats are far better at exercising party discipline than the Republicans.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 11:33 AM (RIvkX)
Because the Dems hate individualism and love groupthink.
It's always been like this.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 11:33 AM (RIvkX)
Because the Dems hate individualism and love groupthink.
It's always been like this.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:35 AM (77rzZ)
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128 Prayer will be forthcoming.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:31 AM (77rzZ)
Thank you.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)
Me too.. You are all in my prayers everyday.. Even when you don't deserve it...... Well some of you anyway
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:31 AM (77rzZ)
Thank you.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:34 AM (Zz0t1)
Me too.. You are all in my prayers everyday.. Even when you don't deserve it...... Well some of you anyway
Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2025 11:35 AM (VE6XX)
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> Can you explain briefly because admittedly I only read the headlines. I should know they don't tell the accurate story.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:31 AM (VofaG)
A price control is when the government sets price. "You will sell wheat for $x per bushel." That indeed can produce economic distortions, especially if $x is less than the cost of production.
That's not what this is.
This says "You can sell zaxafraxazine for any price you want. But it has to be the same price everywhere".
Not the same. The drug manufacturer can still set the price at a level that covers costs and a profit. But he can't make Americans pay higher prices while letting the Canucks skate.
And as others have noted, they can only get away with this in the first place because they have patents, i.e. a government-granted monopoly. That's about as far from a "free market" as you can get.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:31 AM (VofaG)
A price control is when the government sets price. "You will sell wheat for $x per bushel." That indeed can produce economic distortions, especially if $x is less than the cost of production.
That's not what this is.
This says "You can sell zaxafraxazine for any price you want. But it has to be the same price everywhere".
Not the same. The drug manufacturer can still set the price at a level that covers costs and a profit. But he can't make Americans pay higher prices while letting the Canucks skate.
And as others have noted, they can only get away with this in the first place because they have patents, i.e. a government-granted monopoly. That's about as far from a "free market" as you can get.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:35 AM (W5ArC)
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Georgian here. Never trusted Kemp. Congressman Buddy Carter from Savannah is running. He's a pretty strong Trump supporter. He made his money as a pharmacist before entering politics. He was an RFKJr for HHS secretary supporter and stood beside him at his swearing in. We'll see who else runs.
Posted by: Juan Paxety at May 12, 2025 11:35 AM (wNXQ9)
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"No. If they sell it for 15 cents in Canada, they have to sell it for 15 cents in the United States. If they sell it for $500 in the United States, they have to sell it for $500 in Canada."
That sure does sound like price controls to me.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:22 AM (QbjEj)
You know how, when you go into a store looking for a thing... you see me walking out with the thing, you ask what I paid for it, I say $10. You walk inside, grab the thing, they ring it up for $1000. You say, I'm not paying $1000 for this, I'll go elsewhere. They tell you, "For you, it's $1000 everywhere. And you'll die if you don't buy it."
I guess you're good with that.
That sure does sound like price controls to me.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:22 AM (QbjEj)
You know how, when you go into a store looking for a thing... you see me walking out with the thing, you ask what I paid for it, I say $10. You walk inside, grab the thing, they ring it up for $1000. You say, I'm not paying $1000 for this, I'll go elsewhere. They tell you, "For you, it's $1000 everywhere. And you'll die if you don't buy it."
I guess you're good with that.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 11:36 AM (ExV1e)
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> Risible. You have zero counter argument so you just name call.
Sure I do.
You're just illiterate, dishonest, or both.
Sure I do.
You're just illiterate, dishonest, or both.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:36 AM (W5ArC)
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I will overcome my brain and make things happen. I really don't have a choice.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:30 AM (Zz0t1)
Take a break, recenter, and refocus on the things that you can control and that have a positive impact in your and your family's lives.
It is the way. Our petty differences will be here when you return.
Godspeed.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:30 AM (Zz0t1)
Take a break, recenter, and refocus on the things that you can control and that have a positive impact in your and your family's lives.
It is the way. Our petty differences will be here when you return.
Godspeed.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 11:36 AM (i24o9)
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So much of the right is still stuck in 2003 back when being a slave to economic theory was a thing. Free trade? Awesome!! Tax cuts for the ultra rich? You betcha!! Subside the world drug prices? Hell ya brother!! Spread democracy around the world with a $1T yearly defence budget? Of course otherwise the terrorist win.
2 decades later and these things are still ingrained in their minds.
2 decades later and these things are still ingrained in their minds.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 11:36 AM (e4LaW)
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I’d love to chat more cuz I worked in pharma and know this issue well, but unfortunately I have to go.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 12, 2025 11:36 AM (l3YAf)
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Great post, Buck. Nail on the head. Gotta apply game theory to these senate elections and be realistic that a (D) in a red / purple state is better than a RINO, as the (D) can be defeated but the RINO is there forever, or until a (D) defeats them, which is no better...
Though I'm having trouble staying on board with your Rivian skepticism. Seeing more of them, in Texas... Would love to see it go belly up, but is the hope that they'll go bankrupt by 2028 as thin as the notion that our boycotts of Target would sink them within the year after their tranny bathing suits? Just feels like one of the Big 3 (schmucks) will buy them and it gets spun as a success story...
Though I'm having trouble staying on board with your Rivian skepticism. Seeing more of them, in Texas... Would love to see it go belly up, but is the hope that they'll go bankrupt by 2028 as thin as the notion that our boycotts of Target would sink them within the year after their tranny bathing suits? Just feels like one of the Big 3 (schmucks) will buy them and it gets spun as a success story...
Posted by: bearski at May 12, 2025 11:36 AM (Bhsk7)
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I don't want other states sending squishes and commies to the Senate. Is that so hard to understand?
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:28 AM (77rzZ)
Apparently you don't understand when I say become involved. That means dumping millions of California dollars into Texas elections for just one example. Expressing an opinion is not what I meant but you knew that.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:28 AM (77rzZ)
Apparently you don't understand when I say become involved. That means dumping millions of California dollars into Texas elections for just one example. Expressing an opinion is not what I meant but you knew that.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:36 AM (VofaG)
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"The LAST thing I'm going to do is run to my doctor and ask for something to make me a zombie. I will overcome my brain and make things happen. I really don't have a choice."
I'd recommend some Devin Townsend music. You might cry though, the guy music keys my emotions. "Deep Piece", "Stormbending". What ever you are looking for he does it. Find a loud stereo and crank it. Live at Plotviv is the best versions...choir background with orchestra. It works.
I'd recommend some Devin Townsend music. You might cry though, the guy music keys my emotions. "Deep Piece", "Stormbending". What ever you are looking for he does it. Find a loud stereo and crank it. Live at Plotviv is the best versions...choir background with orchestra. It works.
Posted by: Django at May 12, 2025 11:36 AM (bbuBP)
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Medicare/Medicaid, as far as i'm aware, are notorious bastards about *not* paying out. Hospital bills $X for a patient who got treated, and TPTB say "here's 10% of $X. Go away now." And because TPTB are the Ps that B, the hospital is up the proverbial creek. So they have to make up the difference by gouging the people who actually do conscientiously pay their bills, or go out hat in hand to the biggest hospital in the region looking for a "merger" (read: "acquisition") so they don't have to shut the doors altogether. I have to assume pharma goes the same way. The price tag on the bill has precious little to do with what anyone actually pays for anything, unless you're the dumb hump who actually pays one's bills.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 11:37 AM (VoAdT)
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What if Canada forces them to sell to them for 15 cents?
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One way to address this is have US force DrugCo to sell it for 15c also. That I can see resulting in a worldwide shortage. Let's call it the Bernie Sanders method to achieve fairness.
Trump's proposal is different. I'm curious how it will work in practice.
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One way to address this is have US force DrugCo to sell it for 15c also. That I can see resulting in a worldwide shortage. Let's call it the Bernie Sanders method to achieve fairness.
Trump's proposal is different. I'm curious how it will work in practice.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at May 12, 2025 11:37 AM (Dv3i1)
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Starting with getting some chiropractic work done over 30 years ago, and continuing (and getting more flagrant) since -- I don't understand the acceptance of straight-up insurance fraud.
Owing to (blessedly) being healthy coupled with a refusal to participate in Death care, we have no health insurance coverage.
The prices I'm quoted for medical services are often outrageous and assume I'm covered by insurance; when I say I'm not covered, and what is the cash price -- it's usually half or less.
Not to mention anecdotal horror stories of friends who rack up tens of thousands of dollars in medical charges because insurance covers most of it -- and apparently it's expected by providers and insurance that people who cannot pay their outrageous medical bills will be compromised with and allowed to eventually pay pennies on the dollar (or file for bankruptcy in the most extreme cases).
Owing to (blessedly) being healthy coupled with a refusal to participate in Death care, we have no health insurance coverage.
The prices I'm quoted for medical services are often outrageous and assume I'm covered by insurance; when I say I'm not covered, and what is the cash price -- it's usually half or less.
Not to mention anecdotal horror stories of friends who rack up tens of thousands of dollars in medical charges because insurance covers most of it -- and apparently it's expected by providers and insurance that people who cannot pay their outrageous medical bills will be compromised with and allowed to eventually pay pennies on the dollar (or file for bankruptcy in the most extreme cases).
Posted by: ShainS -- Sovereignty Trumps Journalism (#OrangeHorseBad)! at May 12, 2025 11:37 AM (FDQwn)
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126 110 "New" nics gp and Catch Thirty-Thr33, who've been here forever? You'll hunt for 'any' excuse or dodge to defend DJT when he fucks up, as I said above.
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Threw a rock in that pack of dogs and look who yelped.
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Threw a rock in that pack of dogs and look who yelped.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 11:37 AM (sYVcz)
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Even when you don't deserve it......
Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2025 11:35 AM (VE6XX)
I resemble this remark..
Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2025 11:35 AM (VE6XX)
I resemble this remark..
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:37 AM (Zz0t1)
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I absolutely hate outside influence on State elections.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:11 AM (VofaG)
I agree, and that is one reason why Georgia has two Dem senators.
Although I would support the 101st Airborne dropping on Trenton and putting every NJ politician in a POW camp.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:11 AM (VofaG)
I agree, and that is one reason why Georgia has two Dem senators.
Although I would support the 101st Airborne dropping on Trenton and putting every NJ politician in a POW camp.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 12, 2025 11:38 AM (6M5My)
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Anytime price controls are introduced, you get shortages. Period. When no incentive exists to produce more, none will be produced.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:30 AM (gPWpV)
I agree with you, this is incontrovertible, but I want to quibble on part of your suppositions.
Drug manufacturing and sales in the United States (and world wide) is a cartel, restricted by governmental regulations that aim to restrict market entry, market access and pricing. All cartels aim to provide the least possible value for the greatest profit. Governments like this because regulatory compliance is money going to the Gov, and of course all those not-shady-at-all donations go in the right pockets too.
Cartels destroy markets worse than price fixing, the way a slow chronic infection is the worst sort of infection. Wage and price controls will spike problems immediately and will either destroy the regs or cause the government to fall.
Cartels just suck you dry and give you crappy service for the rest of your life, and onto the fifth generation if allowed.
I think it is a wash, and I care more about possible R&D and market access for startups and compounding pharmacies.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:30 AM (gPWpV)
I agree with you, this is incontrovertible, but I want to quibble on part of your suppositions.
Drug manufacturing and sales in the United States (and world wide) is a cartel, restricted by governmental regulations that aim to restrict market entry, market access and pricing. All cartels aim to provide the least possible value for the greatest profit. Governments like this because regulatory compliance is money going to the Gov, and of course all those not-shady-at-all donations go in the right pockets too.
Cartels destroy markets worse than price fixing, the way a slow chronic infection is the worst sort of infection. Wage and price controls will spike problems immediately and will either destroy the regs or cause the government to fall.
Cartels just suck you dry and give you crappy service for the rest of your life, and onto the fifth generation if allowed.
I think it is a wash, and I care more about possible R&D and market access for startups and compounding pharmacies.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 12, 2025 11:38 AM (D7oie)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Elephants and Earthquakes! at May 12, 2025 11:38 AM (L/fGl)
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"Government action is always bad, even government action that leads to major corporations no longer offering favorable treatment to countries other than America."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:39 AM (GBKbO)
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Why should Americans subsidize the socialist health care of Europe and Canada?
If they can't pay the same price as America, their governments can explain that their "free" health care needs more taxes to remain "free."
If they can't pay the same price as America, their governments can explain that their "free" health care needs more taxes to remain "free."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 11:39 AM (sYVcz)
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Trump won Georgia by 2%. It’s a purple state. You’re not going to elect a red meat Republican.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 11:39 AM (e4LaW)
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One last thing: US pharma R&D is more $$$ than the rest of the world, because the FDA sucks. It’s more expensive to bring a drug to market here, so it’s not unreasonable for us to pay a bit more. (Or fix the FDA.)
But there’s a big freeloader problem in pharma.
But there’s a big freeloader problem in pharma.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 12, 2025 11:39 AM (l3YAf)
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Take a break, recenter, and refocus on the things that you can control and that have a positive impact in your and your family's lives.
It is the way. Our petty differences will be here when you return.
Godspeed.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 11:36 AM (i24o9)
That might end up being the case. This place is addictive.
Take a break, recenter, and refocus on the things that you can control and that have a positive impact in your and your family's lives.
It is the way. Our petty differences will be here when you return.
Godspeed.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 11:36 AM (i24o9)
That might end up being the case. This place is addictive.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:40 AM (Zz0t1)
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I don't want other states sending squishes and commies to the Senate. Is that so hard to understand?
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:28 AM (77rzZ)
Apparently you don't understand when I say become involved. That means dumping millions of California dollars into Texas elections for just one example. Expressing an opinion is not what I meant but you knew that.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
No, I wasn't sure what you meant, but thanks for the clarification.
But my original point stands. US Senators and Reps don't just vote on matters affecting their own state, but every other state as well. That is why people on both sides take an interest in who gets elected in states other than their own.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:28 AM (77rzZ)
Apparently you don't understand when I say become involved. That means dumping millions of California dollars into Texas elections for just one example. Expressing an opinion is not what I meant but you knew that.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
No, I wasn't sure what you meant, but thanks for the clarification.
But my original point stands. US Senators and Reps don't just vote on matters affecting their own state, but every other state as well. That is why people on both sides take an interest in who gets elected in states other than their own.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:40 AM (77rzZ)
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So much of the right is still stuck in 2003 back when being a slave to economic theory was a thing. Free trade? Awesome!! Tax cuts for the ultra rich? You betcha!! Subside the world drug prices? Hell ya brother!! Spread democracy around the world with a $1T yearly defence budget? Of course otherwise the terrorist win.
2 decades later and these things are still ingrained in their minds.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
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BRB gonna go donate some blood
2 decades later and these things are still ingrained in their minds.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
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BRB gonna go donate some blood
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you donated for free? at May 12, 2025 11:40 AM (SHl2J)
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I don't want other states sending squishes and commies to the Senate. Is that so hard to understand?
Posted by: Bulg at May 12
It isn’t hard to understand, but it is the way our system is set up, and we are kidding ourselves of we think their aren’t differences between regions and how they view the world. Otherwise we would all be Alabama or California.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12
It isn’t hard to understand, but it is the way our system is set up, and we are kidding ourselves of we think their aren’t differences between regions and how they view the world. Otherwise we would all be Alabama or California.
Posted by: Piper at May 12, 2025 11:40 AM (p4NUW)
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Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:30 AM (Zz0t1)
Sorry to hear that you've been dealing with so many difficult things at the same time. That sounds hard . May young places be made smooth and may your anxiety be lessened. I will pray,
Sorry to hear that you've been dealing with so many difficult things at the same time. That sounds hard . May young places be made smooth and may your anxiety be lessened. I will pray,
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2025 11:40 AM (MrVey)
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I'd recommend some Devin Townsend music. You might cry though, the guy music keys my emotions. "Deep Piece", "Stormbending". What ever you are looking for he does it. Find a loud stereo and crank it. Live at Plotviv is the best versions...choir background with orchestra. It works.
Posted by: Django at May 12, 2025 11:36 AM (bbuBP)
I'll look into it.
Posted by: Django at May 12, 2025 11:36 AM (bbuBP)
I'll look into it.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:40 AM (Zz0t1)
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I'm battling with a bit of anxiety today and have for a bit now. Things are starting to get to me, I'll admit.
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Sorry to hear that.
Rx15 minutes of sunshine, a walk around the block, some good iced tea, a silent prayer.
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Sorry to hear that.
Rx15 minutes of sunshine, a walk around the block, some good iced tea, a silent prayer.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 11:41 AM (RIvkX)
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Our current senators from Georgia were cheated in in 2022 using the same means that stole the election from Trump in 2020. Example: I went to my regular polling place on Election Day in 2022, only to be informed that I had already voted. I had not. They offered me a provisional ballot. In other words, I was denied the vote. Our current senators are as phony as a $3 bill.
Your take on Kemp is spot on. About the only thing he did right during the COVID op was not declare a state-wide shutdown. Most cities and towns declared shutdowns locally. The county seat, where I worked, declared one and the university where I then taught declared that we not came back from Spring Break, but begin teaching online (online learning doesn’t work - cheating galore - I caught one student, sadly, red-handed, but that’s a story for another time). At least I could go shop, sans mask, at an IGA in a nearer small town that did NOT shutdown (IGA owner said he was fine with me not wearing a mask - it is a lamentable commentary on university life that you still see some professors - especially females of a certain age - still masked up at the reopened groceries in the county seat - sad!).
Your take on Kemp is spot on. About the only thing he did right during the COVID op was not declare a state-wide shutdown. Most cities and towns declared shutdowns locally. The county seat, where I worked, declared one and the university where I then taught declared that we not came back from Spring Break, but begin teaching online (online learning doesn’t work - cheating galore - I caught one student, sadly, red-handed, but that’s a story for another time). At least I could go shop, sans mask, at an IGA in a nearer small town that did NOT shutdown (IGA owner said he was fine with me not wearing a mask - it is a lamentable commentary on university life that you still see some professors - especially females of a certain age - still masked up at the reopened groceries in the county seat - sad!).
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 12, 2025 11:41 AM (/HoPU)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:41 AM (Zz0t1)
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Our petty differences will be here when you return.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
Ahem. The Bailey or Jennifer question is not "petty."
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
Ahem. The Bailey or Jennifer question is not "petty."
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:42 AM (77rzZ)
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May 12, 2025 11:36 AM (i24o9)
That's very good advice and I laughed at the part of petty differences still being here when returning.
That's very good advice and I laughed at the part of petty differences still being here when returning.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2025 11:42 AM (MrVey)
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The first group of White South Africans granted refugee status is departing for the U.S. today (Sunday), flying on a State Department-chartered plane — at the expense of American taxpayers.
We are paying to bring in more white racists to the US. Just what we need. this is a Musk idea. He is building his new society of white racist South African males.
I don't want these racist fuckheads in my country! Turn that plane around now!
Wtaf? I hope the next Dem president revokes their status in States. Refugees. From what? Again, instead of OUR tax $$$ serving worthwhile causes, they are wasting our money on parades, statues, & now importing magats.
Looks like new hires for ICE! Importing Goons without a tariff.
"Replacement theory" joins "lawfare," etc as yet another "accusation that's actually a confession." If they're whining that they're the victim of something, it's something they're doing...or plan to do. To the rest of us.
Can we report (without evidence, of course) that " They're eating the cats! They're eating the dogs!!"? I mean, isn't that the traditional American welcoming greeting for our immigrants?
We are paying to bring in more white racists to the US. Just what we need. this is a Musk idea. He is building his new society of white racist South African males.
I don't want these racist fuckheads in my country! Turn that plane around now!
Wtaf? I hope the next Dem president revokes their status in States. Refugees. From what? Again, instead of OUR tax $$$ serving worthwhile causes, they are wasting our money on parades, statues, & now importing magats.
Looks like new hires for ICE! Importing Goons without a tariff.
"Replacement theory" joins "lawfare," etc as yet another "accusation that's actually a confession." If they're whining that they're the victim of something, it's something they're doing...or plan to do. To the rest of us.
Can we report (without evidence, of course) that " They're eating the cats! They're eating the dogs!!"? I mean, isn't that the traditional American welcoming greeting for our immigrants?
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 12, 2025 11:42 AM (JCZqz)
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Are non citizens in the country illegally entitled to constitutional rights is the question. If so, the constitution is meaningless and we are ruled by might, not right.
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 11:43 AM (PCK5/)
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Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 12, 2025 11:42 AM (JCZqz)
Oh boy...
Oh boy...
Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2025 11:43 AM (VE6XX)
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168 "Replacement theory" joins "lawfare," etc as yet another "accusation that's actually a confession." If they're whining that they're the victim of something, it's something they're doing...or plan to do. To the rest of us.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 12, 2025 11:42 AM (JCZqz)
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Why is "replacement theory" bad to talk about when Republicans say that Democrats are doing it, but it's good when Democrats say that Democrats are doing it?
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 12, 2025 11:42 AM (JCZqz)
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Why is "replacement theory" bad to talk about when Republicans say that Democrats are doing it, but it's good when Democrats say that Democrats are doing it?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:43 AM (GBKbO)
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Can we report (without evidence, of course) that " They're eating the cats! They're eating the dogs!!"? I mean, isn't that the traditional American welcoming greeting for our immigrants?
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 12, 2025 11:42 AM (JCZqz)
Tell them I got a boerwurst they can suck on.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 12, 2025 11:42 AM (JCZqz)
Tell them I got a boerwurst they can suck on.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 11:43 AM (VoAdT)
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One last thing: US pharma R&D is more $$$ than the rest of the world, because the FDA sucks. It’s more expensive to bring a drug to market here,
so it’s not unreasonable for us to pay a bit more. (Or fix the FDA.)
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director
It damn sure is unreasonable for us to pay HUGE R&D costs and not spread that cost to other countries.
F them. Let them R&D on their own.
so it’s not unreasonable for us to pay a bit more. (Or fix the FDA.)
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director
It damn sure is unreasonable for us to pay HUGE R&D costs and not spread that cost to other countries.
F them. Let them R&D on their own.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:44 AM (4dDXL)
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Rx15 minutes of sunshine, a walk around the block, some good iced tea, a silent prayer.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 11:41 AM (RIvkX)
I've got a TON of local house projects to work on here, but have been working on the mower at my dad's place as that is getting silly overgrown, so I NEED to make it run.
It runs on ether/chemtool, but nothing seems to be getting through the carb. It's been sitting for years. I have the carb here and will pull it apart again and clean it, then go up there an install the new fuel pump and see what happens. It runs, I'm mowing for a few hours. That'll likely give me a sense of accomplishment and set my head on a better track.
There are ifs.........
Rx15 minutes of sunshine, a walk around the block, some good iced tea, a silent prayer.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 11:41 AM (RIvkX)
I've got a TON of local house projects to work on here, but have been working on the mower at my dad's place as that is getting silly overgrown, so I NEED to make it run.
It runs on ether/chemtool, but nothing seems to be getting through the carb. It's been sitting for years. I have the carb here and will pull it apart again and clean it, then go up there an install the new fuel pump and see what happens. It runs, I'm mowing for a few hours. That'll likely give me a sense of accomplishment and set my head on a better track.
There are ifs.........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:44 AM (Zz0t1)
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Although I would support the 101st Airborne dropping on Trenton and putting every NJ politician in a POW camp.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 12, 2025 11:38 AM (6M5My)
So many priorities.
DOJ is investigating the State of California for knowingly providing federal benefits to illegals.
ICE is arresting Cartel kingpins in Salem Oregon who were living "pretty close" to the capitol
"The United States Department of Justice said the Drug Enforcement Agency just made its largest fentanyl bust in the agency’s history, and part of it happened in Oregon where a high-ranking member of the Sinaloa Cartel was arrested in Salem.
"As part of the operation, Heriberto Salazar Amaya, 36, who the USDOJ claims was living in Salem illegally, was arrested. The USDOJ said Amaya is the leader of the Sinaloa Cartel, a large drug trafficking organization. The USDOJ said Amaya is facing charges of conspiracy to distribute fentanyl, illegal reentry after deportation, hiring an unauthorized alien, and conspiracy to harbor unauthorized aliens."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 12, 2025 11:38 AM (6M5My)
So many priorities.
DOJ is investigating the State of California for knowingly providing federal benefits to illegals.
ICE is arresting Cartel kingpins in Salem Oregon who were living "pretty close" to the capitol
"The United States Department of Justice said the Drug Enforcement Agency just made its largest fentanyl bust in the agency’s history, and part of it happened in Oregon where a high-ranking member of the Sinaloa Cartel was arrested in Salem.
"As part of the operation, Heriberto Salazar Amaya, 36, who the USDOJ claims was living in Salem illegally, was arrested. The USDOJ said Amaya is the leader of the Sinaloa Cartel, a large drug trafficking organization. The USDOJ said Amaya is facing charges of conspiracy to distribute fentanyl, illegal reentry after deportation, hiring an unauthorized alien, and conspiracy to harbor unauthorized aliens."
Posted by: Kindltot at May 12, 2025 11:44 AM (D7oie)
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That's very good advice and I laughed at the part of petty differences still being here when returning.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
Hey, Fen, how are you?
I was searching online for part-time jobs the other day and saw one for a horticulturalist, with the Fairfax County (VA) Parks Authority. I thought of your son.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
Hey, Fen, how are you?
I was searching online for part-time jobs the other day and saw one for a horticulturalist, with the Fairfax County (VA) Parks Authority. I thought of your son.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:44 AM (77rzZ)
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169 Are non citizens in the country illegally entitled to constitutional rights is the question. If so, the constitution is meaningless and we are ruled by might, not right.
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 11:43 AM (PCK5/)
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If a non-resident commits a crime, they have rights to trials within the bounds of the constitution. The government doesn't have the right to summarily execute them, for instance.
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 11:43 AM (PCK5/)
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If a non-resident commits a crime, they have rights to trials within the bounds of the constitution. The government doesn't have the right to summarily execute them, for instance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:44 AM (GBKbO)
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It damn sure is unreasonable for us to pay HUGE R&D costs and not spread that cost to other countries.
F them. Let them R&D on their own.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:44 AM (4dDXL)
Big Pharma has been doing the same thing for decades with no incentive to change. Unless Trump starts taking what they've been doing (VAX MURDER) and punishing them for their bullshit, they'll continue.
It damn sure is unreasonable for us to pay HUGE R&D costs and not spread that cost to other countries.
F them. Let them R&D on their own.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:44 AM (4dDXL)
Big Pharma has been doing the same thing for decades with no incentive to change. Unless Trump starts taking what they've been doing (VAX MURDER) and punishing them for their bullshit, they'll continue.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:45 AM (Zz0t1)
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If a non-resident commits a crime, they have rights to trials within the bounds of the constitution. The government doesn't have the right to summarily execute them, for instance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:44 AM (GBKbO)
Darn
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:44 AM (GBKbO)
Darn
Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2025 11:45 AM (VE6XX)
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The Pope is a tranny!
J.K. Rowling@jk_rowling
You think you’ve heard the last word in batshit gender identity arguments and then you see a post saying that using the new Pope’s title instead of his birth name is exactly the same as accepting that a man is a woman if he says he is.
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He transitioned from Robert Francis Prevost to Leo! Tranny!
J.K. Rowling@jk_rowling
You think you’ve heard the last word in batshit gender identity arguments and then you see a post saying that using the new Pope’s title instead of his birth name is exactly the same as accepting that a man is a woman if he says he is.
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He transitioned from Robert Francis Prevost to Leo! Tranny!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Elephants and Earthquakes! at May 12, 2025 11:45 AM (L/fGl)
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Our petty differences will be here when you return.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
Ahem. The Bailey or Jennifer question is not "petty."
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:42 AM (77rzZ)
AND or BOTH resolves all differences to mootness.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
Ahem. The Bailey or Jennifer question is not "petty."
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:42 AM (77rzZ)
AND or BOTH resolves all differences to mootness.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 11:45 AM (i24o9)
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I don't want these racist fuckheads in my country! Turn that plane around now!
Sugartits, you're not wanted here.
Sugartits, you're not wanted here.
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> Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 12, 2025 11:42 AM (JCZqz)
Oh boy...
Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2025 11:43 AM (VE6XX)
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The irony.... it escapes them.
Oh boy...
Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2025 11:43 AM (VE6XX)
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The irony.... it escapes them.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 12, 2025 11:46 AM (Q4IgG)
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Lankford has that skeevy air about him, just by looking at him, one wonders what a cadaver dog search of his crawlspace might reveal
Posted by: Common Tater at May 12, 2025 11:46 AM (zbmv/)
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‘ The pressure is overwhelming and I haven't even mentioned my job and my lack of desire to do it lately.’
I don’t know exactly how you feel but I know some of it. When I get like that, I remember that even the worst in my life was temporary. This too shall pass.
‘ The pressure is overwhelming and I haven't even mentioned my job and my lack of desire to do it lately.’
I don’t know exactly how you feel but I know some of it. When I get like that, I remember that even the worst in my life was temporary. This too shall pass.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 12, 2025 11:46 AM (jbnUc)
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182 I don't want these racist fuckheads in my country! Turn that plane around now!
Sugartits, you're not wanted here.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:45 AM (4dDXL)
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Also, isn't it, like, 40 people?
Sugartits, you're not wanted here.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:45 AM (4dDXL)
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Also, isn't it, like, 40 people?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:46 AM (GBKbO)
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Friends and enemies look the same in DC.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 11:46 AM (r51hs)
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Anytime price controls are introduced, you get shortages. Period. When no incentive exists to produce more, none will be produced.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:30 AM (gPWpV)
So other countries will pay more? Or do they not care about these drugs either?
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:30 AM (gPWpV)
So other countries will pay more? Or do they not care about these drugs either?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 11:46 AM (ExV1e)
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why does DU think the South Africans are racist?!?
that is super weird
we have a lot of SA players and coaches here for field hockey and they are pretty damn liberal
that is super weird
we have a lot of SA players and coaches here for field hockey and they are pretty damn liberal
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 12, 2025 11:46 AM (Pv3Rg)
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> 154 Why should Americans subsidize the socialist health care of Europe and Canada?
If they can't pay the same price as America, their governments can explain that their "free" health care needs more taxes to remain "free."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 11:39 AM (sYVcz)
Exactly the point.
Personally, I would predict a substantial price decline in U.S. prices coupled with an even more substantial increase in countries like Canada, UK, Germany, France... none of which are exactly impoverished.
One thing you can bet on is that the drug company is still going to charge enough to make a profit.
If they can't pay the same price as America, their governments can explain that their "free" health care needs more taxes to remain "free."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 11:39 AM (sYVcz)
Exactly the point.
Personally, I would predict a substantial price decline in U.S. prices coupled with an even more substantial increase in countries like Canada, UK, Germany, France... none of which are exactly impoverished.
One thing you can bet on is that the drug company is still going to charge enough to make a profit.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:46 AM (W5ArC)
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My phone needs to be recharged, so before I do that I just wanted to post a picture of a lovely bird which spouse and I saw on the way to church . I'm not a skilled birdwatcher or anything but I do like to see them:
https://tinyurl.com/52u336jd
Baltimore Oriole
https://tinyurl.com/52u336jd
Baltimore Oriole
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2025 11:46 AM (MrVey)
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osted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:35 AM (W5ArC)
It's not the exact definition of price control but definitely a form of it but I understand what you're saying. We don't do that with any other product do we? Are these drug companies actually selling the drugs at a lower price or are they being subsidized by the other countries universal health system?
It's not the exact definition of price control but definitely a form of it but I understand what you're saying. We don't do that with any other product do we? Are these drug companies actually selling the drugs at a lower price or are they being subsidized by the other countries universal health system?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:47 AM (VofaG)
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SPONGE!!!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2025 11:47 AM (FAGAJ)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 11:47 AM (Zz0t1)
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Also, isn't it, like, 40 people?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:46 AM (GBKbO)
60 or so I think.. And they petitioned the US and were vetted.. They didn't just waltz across the border...
Also, isn't it, like, 40 people?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:46 AM (GBKbO)
60 or so I think.. And they petitioned the US and were vetted.. They didn't just waltz across the border...
Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2025 11:47 AM (VE6XX)
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The GOP is a pile of steaming dog shit. The democrats are a petrified pile of hairy dog shit bleached white by the sun.
Which to choose, which to choose...Bzzzz Bzzzzz
Which to choose, which to choose...Bzzzz Bzzzzz
Posted by: The Flies Who Vote at May 12, 2025 11:47 AM (xofCm)
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That's very good advice and I laughed at the part of petty differences still being here when returning.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2025 11:42 AM (MrVey)
I took breaks during both Trump Wars 1.0 and 2.0. It's all good. I came back, and lo and behold, it is the same, minus perhaps a lost one or two.
The consistency of this place is great to keep one centered. And the bonus cruelty is addictive.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2025 11:42 AM (MrVey)
I took breaks during both Trump Wars 1.0 and 2.0. It's all good. I came back, and lo and behold, it is the same, minus perhaps a lost one or two.
The consistency of this place is great to keep one centered. And the bonus cruelty is addictive.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 11:48 AM (i24o9)
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According to Hawaiian judges there is no difference between a citizen and non citizen with respect To constitutional rights.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 11:48 AM (e4LaW)
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Remember Warren's "you didn't build that?"
Suddenly, and for no reason whatsoever, certainly not funding by drug companies, the same people are howling about the sanctity of free markets?
Did the drug companies build the roads? The schools? The police and fire stations?
And who protects their markets, not only from competition but also infringement?
But now we must defend the right of drug companies to charge socialist health care systems a fraction of what they charge Americans?
This isn't "Americans pay $X and Europeans pay $Y," this is "Americans pay $X and drug companies charge European governments $Y"--subsidizing those governments, again, on the backs of Americans.
Suddenly, and for no reason whatsoever, certainly not funding by drug companies, the same people are howling about the sanctity of free markets?
Did the drug companies build the roads? The schools? The police and fire stations?
And who protects their markets, not only from competition but also infringement?
But now we must defend the right of drug companies to charge socialist health care systems a fraction of what they charge Americans?
This isn't "Americans pay $X and Europeans pay $Y," this is "Americans pay $X and drug companies charge European governments $Y"--subsidizing those governments, again, on the backs of Americans.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 11:48 AM (sYVcz)
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Epic city in Texas is on hold while the state investigates.
Posted by: haffhowershower at May 12, 2025 11:48 AM (K+s1B)
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I am certain these new nics, lamenting the latest EO on drug prices, are severely severe, lifelong, concerned conservatives from red states who have always voted for Republicans since they first started voting in 1962.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 11:31 AM (sYVcz)
I don't believe that either of them are new. They just have a 1980s mentality about global economics.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 11:31 AM (sYVcz)
I don't believe that either of them are new. They just have a 1980s mentality about global economics.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 11:48 AM (ExV1e)
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> If they can't pay the same price as America, their governments can explain that their "free" health care needs more taxes to remain "free."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 11:39 AM (sYVcz)
Exactly.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 11:39 AM (sYVcz)
Exactly.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:48 AM (W5ArC)
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Also, isn't it, like, 40 people?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Yes. And unlike wetbacks, their country is actually TRYING to kill them.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Yes. And unlike wetbacks, their country is actually TRYING to kill them.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:48 AM (4dDXL)
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177 169 Are non citizens in the country illegally entitled to constitutional rights is the question. If so, the constitution is meaningless and we are ruled by might, not right.
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 11:43 AM (PCK5/)
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If a non-resident commits a crime, they have rights to trials within the bounds of the constitution. The government doesn't have the right to summarily execute them, for instance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:44 AM (GBKbO)
So non residents here illegally have constitutional rights.
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 11:43 AM (PCK5/)
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If a non-resident commits a crime, they have rights to trials within the bounds of the constitution. The government doesn't have the right to summarily execute them, for instance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:44 AM (GBKbO)
So non residents here illegally have constitutional rights.
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 11:48 AM (PCK5/)
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Casualties of Cool, live at Union Chapel, is good working music. Calming and girl singer has smoky voice. Also a Deven Townsend project.
I really do find music helpful. Savage beast thing? I hear God often.
I really do find music helpful. Savage beast thing? I hear God often.
Posted by: Django at May 12, 2025 11:48 AM (bbuBP)
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192 It's not the exact definition of price control but definitely a form of it but I understand what you're saying. We don't do that with any other product do we? Are these drug companies actually selling the drugs at a lower price or are they being subsidized by the other countries universal health system?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:47 AM (VofaG)
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Actually selling at lower prices.
It's how they get access to the market.
Free market absolutism in an effort to preserve a merchantalist system with heavy weighing down by government players is a fool's errand.
Not to mention the massive regulatory burden already in place on the industry.
So, on the day that people talk about deregulation of medicine, I'll be much more open to calls of not being pure on free market principles regarding government action towards the industry. Until then, we either use the tools, or they get used against us.
And they've been used against us for a long time now.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:47 AM (VofaG)
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Actually selling at lower prices.
It's how they get access to the market.
Free market absolutism in an effort to preserve a merchantalist system with heavy weighing down by government players is a fool's errand.
Not to mention the massive regulatory burden already in place on the industry.
So, on the day that people talk about deregulation of medicine, I'll be much more open to calls of not being pure on free market principles regarding government action towards the industry. Until then, we either use the tools, or they get used against us.
And they've been used against us for a long time now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:50 AM (GBKbO)
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The market's up yuge on China trade deal news/optimism, and people are arguing over some guy's misunderstanding of price controls and whether we should elect RINOs.
Love this place.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 11:31 AM (i24o9)
Most of us neither consider suicide nor masturbate furiously over the daily changes in the market. And arguing is what we do... keeps the mind young.
Love this place.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 11:31 AM (i24o9)
Most of us neither consider suicide nor masturbate furiously over the daily changes in the market. And arguing is what we do... keeps the mind young.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 11:50 AM (ExV1e)
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198 According to Hawaiian judges there is no difference between a citizen and non citizen with respect To constitutional rights.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 11:48 AM (e4LaW
Wrong ! Non citizens have more rights !
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 11:48 AM (e4LaW
Wrong ! Non citizens have more rights !
Posted by: Hawaiian Judge at May 12, 2025 11:50 AM (VE6XX)
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I’ll be completely inconsistent…. In no way do I want senator Kemp Cornyn Lankford etc etc… but I want a GOP majority in the senate. I want 60 Rand Paul’s
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at May 12, 2025 11:50 AM (YobFY)
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It's not the exact definition of price control but definitely a form of it but I understand what you're saying. We don't do that with any other product do we? Are these drug companies actually selling the drugs at a lower price or are they being subsidized by the other countries universal health system?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
They are being told, "you can only sell it for €€ a pill".
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
They are being told, "you can only sell it for €€ a pill".
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:50 AM (4dDXL)
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Posted by: Don Black. Message: I care at May 12, 2025 11:51 AM (AOsQT)
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https://tinyurl.com/52u336jd
Baltimore Oriole
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
Thank you, Fen. Not like the lovely young ladies you usually post, but a beautiful creature nonetheless, in a different way.
My wife went on a walk the other morning and saw a pileated woodpecker. She was impressed by how big it was.
Baltimore Oriole
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
Thank you, Fen. Not like the lovely young ladies you usually post, but a beautiful creature nonetheless, in a different way.
My wife went on a walk the other morning and saw a pileated woodpecker. She was impressed by how big it was.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:51 AM (77rzZ)
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Yes. And unlike wetbacks, their country is actually TRYING to kill them.
Posted by: rickb223
But, it's the oppressed fighting back against their white colonizing oppressors, so it's good! And deserved!
Posted by: rickb223
But, it's the oppressed fighting back against their white colonizing oppressors, so it's good! And deserved!
Posted by: Rabid Leftist Racial Retards at May 12, 2025 11:51 AM (JCZqz)
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According to Hawaiian judges there is no difference between a citizen and non citizen with respect To constitutional rights.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
Until you try and draft a wetback. Then magically, the US has no jurisdiction over them.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
Until you try and draft a wetback. Then magically, the US has no jurisdiction over them.
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@BuzzPatterson
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Something something no one is above the law, right (D)s?
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you donated for free? at May 12, 2025 11:51 AM (SHl2J)
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Baltimore Oriole
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2025 11:46 AM (MrVey)
it's so awesome to see them in the wild!
a few years ago there was a flock near my workplace, it was such a joy to see them flitting about
I think they can be attracted to the back yard with orange slices
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2025 11:46 AM (MrVey)
it's so awesome to see them in the wild!
a few years ago there was a flock near my workplace, it was such a joy to see them flitting about
I think they can be attracted to the back yard with orange slices
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 11:51 AM (dCxaZ)
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Why do I have to subsidize the rest of the world, that hates me and defiles my character and values, for EVERYTHING? How is that "conservative"?
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 11:32 AM (M/gGe)
Cuz you've been doing it for 80 years. "Conservative" has come to mean holding on to a shitty situation for dear life because change is "progressive".
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 11:32 AM (M/gGe)
Cuz you've been doing it for 80 years. "Conservative" has come to mean holding on to a shitty situation for dear life because change is "progressive".
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 11:51 AM (ExV1e)
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192 osted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:35 AM (W5ArC)
It's not the exact definition of price control but definitely a form of it but I understand what you're saying. We don't do that with any other product do we? Are these drug companies actually selling the drugs at a lower price or are they being subsidized by the other countries universal health system?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:47 AM (VofaG)
We don't give any other industries government controlled monopolies that last years with a product tightly controlled and unable to be sold to anyone without approval.
It's not a "free market" - it's the absolute reverse of one.
It's not the exact definition of price control but definitely a form of it but I understand what you're saying. We don't do that with any other product do we? Are these drug companies actually selling the drugs at a lower price or are they being subsidized by the other countries universal health system?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:47 AM (VofaG)
We don't give any other industries government controlled monopolies that last years with a product tightly controlled and unable to be sold to anyone without approval.
It's not a "free market" - it's the absolute reverse of one.
Posted by: Nova Local at May 12, 2025 11:52 AM (tOcjL)
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Lankford is a disgrace. Oklahomans overwhelmingly support the GOP, but seem to not get that Lankford ain't one of us!
Posted by: Crusader at May 12, 2025 11:52 AM (TN0g+)
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The buyer-seller relationship is obliterated in healthcare.
You can't make sense of a system like this, or rationally analyze it or make judgements about what's fair or unfair. The whole this is deliberately obfuscated so that no one knows who exactly is paying what, for what, to whom, ever.
It's a giant mess of meaningless numbers bearing no relation to the actual flows of wealth that are happening, so that any complaints about the actual flows of wealth that are happening can be countered with "You Just Don't Understand".
It's definitely not the only sphere of human endeavor with this perverse little mechanism in play, either.
You can't make sense of a system like this, or rationally analyze it or make judgements about what's fair or unfair. The whole this is deliberately obfuscated so that no one knows who exactly is paying what, for what, to whom, ever.
It's a giant mess of meaningless numbers bearing no relation to the actual flows of wealth that are happening, so that any complaints about the actual flows of wealth that are happening can be countered with "You Just Don't Understand".
It's definitely not the only sphere of human endeavor with this perverse little mechanism in play, either.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 11:52 AM (VoAdT)
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Most of us neither consider suicide nor masturbate furiously over the daily changes in the market. And arguing is what we do... keeps the mind young.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 11:50 AM (ExV1e)
I don't normally do either, either. But at +45% over the last year, I am considering the former.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 11:50 AM (ExV1e)
I don't normally do either, either. But at +45% over the last year, I am considering the former.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 11:52 AM (i24o9)
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What if Canada forces them to sell to them for 15 cents?
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They can not sell it to the Canadian government "free" health care monopoly, then.
The drug companies can choose either the few thousand in the Canadian market or the few million in the US market.
But, Americans must suffer, scrimp, save and do without for going on 70 years now so that the world can do better or communism wins, docha know?
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They can not sell it to the Canadian government "free" health care monopoly, then.
The drug companies can choose either the few thousand in the Canadian market or the few million in the US market.
But, Americans must suffer, scrimp, save and do without for going on 70 years now so that the world can do better or communism wins, docha know?
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 11:52 AM (sYVcz)
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The latter, damn it,
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 11:52 AM (i24o9)
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when a red state elects blue Senators, my spidey-sense tingles
Posted by: Don Black. Message: I care at May 12, 2025 11:52 AM (AOsQT)
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If a non-resident commits a crime, they have rights to trials within the bounds of the constitution. The government doesn't have the right to summarily execute them, for instance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:44 AM (GBKbO)
So non residents here illegally have constitutional rights.
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 11:48 AM (PCK5/)
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To some extent.
Yes.
It doesn't mean that they have equal rights to Americans, though.
Americans can't get deported, for instance.
If a non-resident commits a crime, they have rights to trials within the bounds of the constitution. The government doesn't have the right to summarily execute them, for instance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:44 AM (GBKbO)
So non residents here illegally have constitutional rights.
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 11:48 AM (PCK5/)
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To some extent.
Yes.
It doesn't mean that they have equal rights to Americans, though.
Americans can't get deported, for instance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:52 AM (GBKbO)
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My wife went on a walk the other morning and saw a pileated woodpecker. She was impressed by how big it was.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:51 AM (77rzZ)
the BF spotted one of these in his backyard.
Well, the woods behind his house anyway
I have never seen one, only the littler common types
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:51 AM (77rzZ)
the BF spotted one of these in his backyard.
Well, the woods behind his house anyway
I have never seen one, only the littler common types
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 11:53 AM (dCxaZ)
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> We don't do that with any other product do we?
For a long time publishing companies would sell college textbooks for $5 in India and $300 in the United States (same book, sometimes the cheap one would be on lower-quality paper or something), and would sue anyone who attempted to import the $5 edition.
In Kirtsaeng vs. John Wiley & Son the Supreme Court said "Nuh-uh", and as a side consequence also upheld the right to sell used textbooks.
For a long time publishing companies would sell college textbooks for $5 in India and $300 in the United States (same book, sometimes the cheap one would be on lower-quality paper or something), and would sue anyone who attempted to import the $5 edition.
In Kirtsaeng vs. John Wiley & Son the Supreme Court said "Nuh-uh", and as a side consequence also upheld the right to sell used textbooks.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:53 AM (W5ArC)
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I hate that the knee jerk reaction is “but my Econ book says” whenever stuff like drug prices or Tarriffs is discussed.
Yes your econ Book says x will happen. But your Econ book also starts every chapter with “imagine we live in a world where everyone acts rationally”.
Econ laws is a lot of theoretical bullshit that simply don’t work in the real world. And I wish the right would stop sucking Adam Smith’s dick as voraciously as it does.
Yes your econ Book says x will happen. But your Econ book also starts every chapter with “imagine we live in a world where everyone acts rationally”.
Econ laws is a lot of theoretical bullshit that simply don’t work in the real world. And I wish the right would stop sucking Adam Smith’s dick as voraciously as it does.
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Theory:
He's doing this to run for governor, and it'll work.
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Theory:
He's doing this to run for governor, and it'll work.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:53 AM (GBKbO)
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UK prime minister says he's ending "Britain's open borders experiment," will require immigrants to speak English and have degrees 👀
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Even if I believed this, and I don’t, it's too late to shut the barn door. The cow is already in the cornfield.
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Even if I believed this, and I don’t, it's too late to shut the barn door. The cow is already in the cornfield.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Elephants and Earthquakes! at May 12, 2025 11:54 AM (L/fGl)
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I think they can be attracted to the back yard with orange slices
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 11:51 AM (dCxaZ)
Jelly works too. Anything sweet and fruity they seem to like.
And if you can see one within the writhing mass of blue jays and finches that attack the damn thing the second you put it out, good for you.
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 11:51 AM (dCxaZ)
Jelly works too. Anything sweet and fruity they seem to like.
And if you can see one within the writhing mass of blue jays and finches that attack the damn thing the second you put it out, good for you.
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‘ He's a pretty strong Trump supporter. He made his money as a pharmacist before entering politics’
How does he feel about price controls on drugs?
(a little gasoline for the fire)
‘ He's a pretty strong Trump supporter. He made his money as a pharmacist before entering politics’
How does he feel about price controls on drugs?
(a little gasoline for the fire)
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 12, 2025 11:54 AM (jbnUc)
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To some extent.
Yes.
It doesn't mean that they have equal rights to Americans, though.
Americans can't get deported, for instance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:52 AM (GBKbO)
For now, maybe… the plan is to stop that because it violates their.. rights.. yes?
To some extent.
Yes.
It doesn't mean that they have equal rights to Americans, though.
Americans can't get deported, for instance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:52 AM (GBKbO)
For now, maybe… the plan is to stop that because it violates their.. rights.. yes?
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 11:54 AM (PCK5/)
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The buyer-seller relationship is obliterated in healthcare.
You can't make sense of a system like this, or rationally analyze it or make judgements about what's fair or unfair. The whole this is deliberately obfuscated so that no one knows who exactly is paying what, for what, to whom, ever.
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This, and that might be an interesting way to get the whole thing moving in the right direction.
These consumer protections are in place until you provide estimates and details on what every procedure costs. Once you're approaching the market freely we can begin to discuss the free market again.
You can't make sense of a system like this, or rationally analyze it or make judgements about what's fair or unfair. The whole this is deliberately obfuscated so that no one knows who exactly is paying what, for what, to whom, ever.
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This, and that might be an interesting way to get the whole thing moving in the right direction.
These consumer protections are in place until you provide estimates and details on what every procedure costs. Once you're approaching the market freely we can begin to discuss the free market again.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you donated for free? at May 12, 2025 11:54 AM (SHl2J)
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Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 12, 2025 11:42 AM (JCZqz)
I am afraid that these people from SA will be bleeding heart lunk headed libs for staying in SA so long.
Most with a lick of sense saw which way the wind blew and GTFO ASAP.
I am afraid that these people from SA will be bleeding heart lunk headed libs for staying in SA so long.
Most with a lick of sense saw which way the wind blew and GTFO ASAP.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 12, 2025 11:55 AM (/lPRQ)
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OK, Imma be "that guy."
The question isn't who has what rights. Everyone has rights.
The question is if we choose to recognize those rights.
There's a very good, I'd even say definitive argument that illegals cannot expect recognition of their rights here because of their status. Even citizen's rights are irrelevant at border crossings where your stuff can be searched pretty much at will.
Can an illegal expect due process? I'd say no.
The question isn't who has what rights. Everyone has rights.
The question is if we choose to recognize those rights.
There's a very good, I'd even say definitive argument that illegals cannot expect recognition of their rights here because of their status. Even citizen's rights are irrelevant at border crossings where your stuff can be searched pretty much at will.
Can an illegal expect due process? I'd say no.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 11:56 AM (x0NqF)
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So non residents here illegally have constitutional rights.
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 11:48 AM (PCK5/)
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To some extent.
Yes.
It doesn't mean that they have equal rights to Americans, though.
Americans can't get deported, for instance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadiso
So we have two constitutions. Interesting.
What rights don't they have?
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 11:48 AM (PCK5/)
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To some extent.
Yes.
It doesn't mean that they have equal rights to Americans, though.
Americans can't get deported, for instance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadiso
So we have two constitutions. Interesting.
What rights don't they have?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:56 AM (4dDXL)
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The federal government already sets the floor on drug prices through Medicare and Medicaid. Pharma can charge more to private insurance if they want, but they’ll sure as hell not charge less.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 12, 2025 11:56 AM (u73oe)
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DJT and RFKjr announce drug price controls. 30% to 80% off.
As long as they think they can "control" prices, they might as well make it 100% off.
This is conservatism? This is an incentive for drug manufacturers to reshore in the USA?
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:11 AM (QbjEj)
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Not at all - it is telling the pharma companies, we are done subsidizing most if not all of the research into pharma products. You want to sell drug X for 50% of the price you charge in the US, because that country has price caps on drugs, we get it for 50% off as well. They will most likely refuse to sell at that price in country x.
Socialized medicine has lived off cost transfers to US pharma. Just like their defense has lived off US defense spending. I'm no big fan of pharma, but they have been put in between a rock and a hard on pricing. We are paying for most of the world's prescriptions.
As long as they think they can "control" prices, they might as well make it 100% off.
This is conservatism? This is an incentive for drug manufacturers to reshore in the USA?
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at May 12, 2025 11:11 AM (QbjEj)
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Not at all - it is telling the pharma companies, we are done subsidizing most if not all of the research into pharma products. You want to sell drug X for 50% of the price you charge in the US, because that country has price caps on drugs, we get it for 50% off as well. They will most likely refuse to sell at that price in country x.
Socialized medicine has lived off cost transfers to US pharma. Just like their defense has lived off US defense spending. I'm no big fan of pharma, but they have been put in between a rock and a hard on pricing. We are paying for most of the world's prescriptions.
Posted by: Black JEM at May 12, 2025 11:56 AM (GZYu7)
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233 For now, maybe… the plan is to stop that because it violates their.. rights.. yes?
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 11:54 AM (PCK5/)
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Every single one of these lower court rulings is going away. Most have dwindled away to nothing (a lot of jurisdiction questions), and the Trump administration is borderline ignoring others (Garcia in El Salvador).
It's a tantrum, and it won't last forever.
Honestly, if people think there is no turning back and all is lost...maybe just take a break from politics for a while.
A month, or something. Cut yourself off. Go fishing. Do something more productive than this, arguing with strangers on the internet about things we can't affect or change.
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 11:54 AM (PCK5/)
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Every single one of these lower court rulings is going away. Most have dwindled away to nothing (a lot of jurisdiction questions), and the Trump administration is borderline ignoring others (Garcia in El Salvador).
It's a tantrum, and it won't last forever.
Honestly, if people think there is no turning back and all is lost...maybe just take a break from politics for a while.
A month, or something. Cut yourself off. Go fishing. Do something more productive than this, arguing with strangers on the internet about things we can't affect or change.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:56 AM (GBKbO)
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It's a giant mess of meaningless numbers bearing no relation to the actual flows of wealth that are happening, so that any complaints about the actual flows of wealth that are happening can be countered with "You Just Don't Understand".
my county has just experienced the closing of a MAJOR hospital/health system
The collateral damage stories are pitiful, tragic, and enraging.
The staff/employees worked for 3 yrs. without the holding company who owned the hospital making contributions to their 401k.
Most of the state assembly delegation in my county are demorats. They along with the lone Republican state rep, have asked our GOP atty. general to open a criminal investigation against Prospect Health Systems
my county has just experienced the closing of a MAJOR hospital/health system
The collateral damage stories are pitiful, tragic, and enraging.
The staff/employees worked for 3 yrs. without the holding company who owned the hospital making contributions to their 401k.
Most of the state assembly delegation in my county are demorats. They along with the lone Republican state rep, have asked our GOP atty. general to open a criminal investigation against Prospect Health Systems
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 11:56 AM (dCxaZ)
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You can't make sense of a system like this, or rationally analyze it or make judgements about what's fair or unfair. The whole this is deliberately obfuscated so that no one knows who exactly is paying what, for what, to whom, ever.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 11:52 AM (VoAdT)
The whole system is set up so other people pay for other people's health care while those providing the health care system do not get blamed for passing the buck and also getting rich.
See also the US congress.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 11:52 AM (VoAdT)
The whole system is set up so other people pay for other people's health care while those providing the health care system do not get blamed for passing the buck and also getting rich.
See also the US congress.
Posted by: Marcus Welby, M.D. at May 12, 2025 11:56 AM (xofCm)
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Illegals often don’t have the right to pay taxes, or have driver’s licenses or car insurance or jury duty or.. so I guess they do not have all of our rights and privileges.
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 11:56 AM (PCK5/)
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155 Trump won Georgia by 2%. It’s a purple state. You’re not going to elect a red meat Republican.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
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Georgia has been red since the 60's. They voted for their own Jimmy Carter, and Clinton won it in '92 by
Has there been any state with consistent "red meat" Republican senators? TX, UT, AK, MT, LA, OK, SD, ND, KY.... All deep red states with RINO or Dem senators. But they almost all *also* have a solid conservative senator, so it's very possible, just have to fight (state GOPe's) hard for it...
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
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Georgia has been red since the 60's. They voted for their own Jimmy Carter, and Clinton won it in '92 by
Has there been any state with consistent "red meat" Republican senators? TX, UT, AK, MT, LA, OK, SD, ND, KY.... All deep red states with RINO or Dem senators. But they almost all *also* have a solid conservative senator, so it's very possible, just have to fight (state GOPe's) hard for it...
Posted by: bearski at May 12, 2025 11:57 AM (Bhsk7)
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Can an illegal expect due process? I'd say no.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 11:56 AM (x0NqF)
Convicted felons can't own guns, for example.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 11:56 AM (x0NqF)
Convicted felons can't own guns, for example.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 11:57 AM (VoAdT)
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Lankford has that skeevy air about him, just by looking at him, one wonders what a cadaver dog search of his crawlspace might reveal
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I described him last week as having the look of *guilt*.
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I described him last week as having the look of *guilt*.
Posted by: Crusader at May 12, 2025 11:57 AM (TN0g+)
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237 So we have two constitutions. Interesting.
What rights don't they have?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:56 AM (4dDXL)
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They're essentially second-class according to SCOTUS caselaw.
There are obviously judges who want it to be all one for everyone, but they're honestly fighting a losing battle.
What rights don't they have?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:56 AM (4dDXL)
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They're essentially second-class according to SCOTUS caselaw.
There are obviously judges who want it to be all one for everyone, but they're honestly fighting a losing battle.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:57 AM (GBKbO)
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 11:57 AM (dCxaZ)
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Thank you, Fen. Not like the lovely young ladies you usually post, but a beautiful creature nonetheless, in a different way.
My wife went on a walk the other morning and saw a pileated woodpecker. She was impressed by how big it was.
Posted by: Bulg
Birds are mostly the exception to nature's rule that brightly colored things are dangerous/poisonous. This bird, paradoxically, both warns and lures it's prey with it's bright orange plumage.
https://tinyurl.com/4ecks7sx
Never stick your dick in crazy, gentlemen.
My wife went on a walk the other morning and saw a pileated woodpecker. She was impressed by how big it was.
Posted by: Bulg
Birds are mostly the exception to nature's rule that brightly colored things are dangerous/poisonous. This bird, paradoxically, both warns and lures it's prey with it's bright orange plumage.
https://tinyurl.com/4ecks7sx
Never stick your dick in crazy, gentlemen.
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at May 12, 2025 11:57 AM (JCZqz)
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I see that the drumpf caved to china stories are circulating. Don't these idiots tire of being wrong all the time and lying their asses off.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at May 12, 2025 11:57 AM (2NHgQ)
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Health care is the only industry where the consumer has no idea what anything will cost until 2 months later when they get a bill.
90% could be covered by insurance or 10% could be covered.
You have no idea. Even if you go to an in network facility the guy reading your mri is out of network and he charges $800. Tough shit. Pay $800.
It’s the most retarded system possible.
90% could be covered by insurance or 10% could be covered.
You have no idea. Even if you go to an in network facility the guy reading your mri is out of network and he charges $800. Tough shit. Pay $800.
It’s the most retarded system possible.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 11:57 AM (e4LaW)
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BREAKING: ICE just arrested the mayor of Newark for interfering with ICE officials!
Posted by: Don Black. Message: I care at May 12, 2025 11:51 AM (AOsQT)
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Theory:
He's doing this to run for governor, and it'll work.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
As long as he's running for governor from a jail cell.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: I care at May 12, 2025 11:51 AM (AOsQT)
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Theory:
He's doing this to run for governor, and it'll work.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
As long as he's running for governor from a jail cell.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:58 AM (4dDXL)
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Convicted felons can't own guns, for example.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 11:57 AM (VoAdT)
Another very good example.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 11:57 AM (VoAdT)
Another very good example.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 11:58 AM (x0NqF)
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Do something more productive than this, arguing with strangers on the internet about things we can't affect or change.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Killjoy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Killjoy.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:58 AM (77rzZ)
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Can an illegal expect due process? I'd say no.
Posted by: WitchDoktor
So, until they get their asses back to an inspection station and get formally admitted they are still in that rights purgatory. And if they do, and get rejected, that's the breaks.
Sounds fair.
Posted by: WitchDoktor
So, until they get their asses back to an inspection station and get formally admitted they are still in that rights purgatory. And if they do, and get rejected, that's the breaks.
Sounds fair.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 12, 2025 11:58 AM (/lPRQ)
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Theory:
He's doing this to run for governor, and it'll work.
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My exact thought! It is Jersey, after all.
He's doing this to run for governor, and it'll work.
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My exact thought! It is Jersey, after all.
Posted by: Lady in Black at May 12, 2025 11:58 AM (qBdHI)
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254 Do something more productive than this, arguing with strangers on the internet about things we can't affect or change.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Killjoy.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:58 AM (77rzZ)
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No I'm not!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Killjoy.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:58 AM (77rzZ)
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No I'm not!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:58 AM (GBKbO)
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It's not the exact definition of price control but definitely a form of it but I understand what you're saying. We don't do that with any other product do we? Are these drug companies actually selling the drugs at a lower price or are they being subsidized by the other countries universal health system?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:47 AM (VofaG)
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Selling at a lower price.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:47 AM (VofaG)
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Selling at a lower price.
Posted by: Black JEM at May 12, 2025 11:59 AM (GZYu7)
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Does DU have intercepted Horde posts?
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at May 12, 2025 11:59 AM (ZbsBz)
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Trump won Georgia by 2%. It’s a purple state.
if the GOP governor had the slightest inclination to address the vote fraud problem in his state, you'd see a true margin of victory as happened in Florida after DeSantis took corrective action.
if the GOP governor had the slightest inclination to address the vote fraud problem in his state, you'd see a true margin of victory as happened in Florida after DeSantis took corrective action.
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 11:59 AM (dCxaZ)
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Honestly, if people think there is no turning back and all is lost...maybe just take a break from politics for a while.
A month, or something. Cut yourself off. Go fishing. Do something more productive than this, arguing with strangers on the internet about things we can't affect or change.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:56 AM (GBKbO)
Eh, simpler for me really.. avoid certain posts, stick to pop cultural offerings… movies, music, books, bewbs.. or ratchet up the old Snark Machine….
Honestly, if people think there is no turning back and all is lost...maybe just take a break from politics for a while.
A month, or something. Cut yourself off. Go fishing. Do something more productive than this, arguing with strangers on the internet about things we can't affect or change.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:56 AM (GBKbO)
Eh, simpler for me really.. avoid certain posts, stick to pop cultural offerings… movies, music, books, bewbs.. or ratchet up the old Snark Machine….
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 11:59 AM (PCK5/)
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I voted for Trump in 2024 at the County Courthouse Extension on the first day that you could vote early in person - I had to wait in line. When I got my ballot I pulled out an LED flashlight from my pocket to see if they were using the touted special paper made in Canada with the UV watermark to prevent fraudulent copying of ballots. The paper was ordinary bond: no UV watermark. I chided the poll worker about this after I voted: she didn’t know what I was talking about. They tried to pull a late night do-over in a county _adjacent_ to Fulton County that night. Republican lawyers were there to shut them down. They still cheated in places like Wisconsin, and of course, California, but we overwhelmed them in enough places to have our say. Thank God! (By the way, it is illegal to photograph your ballot in Georgia before submitting it to the machine - someone might pay you to vote the way you did - like they don’t anyway - but still some people have done it - the QR code that - supposedly - has all your voting information is _encrypted_ - sure Dominion - pull the other one - it has bells on it!).
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 12, 2025 12:00 PM (/HoPU)
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255 Can an illegal expect due process? I'd say no.
Posted by: WitchDoktor
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Due process for what?
A deportation order?
Of course.
"Where are your documents saying you're allowed to be here?"
That's the due process as established in law and caselaw.
SCOTUS has also ruled that deportation is not irreparable harm, so the government has a pretty free reign, generally when not done by Trump, to throw people on planes out of the nation.
Posted by: WitchDoktor
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Due process for what?
A deportation order?
Of course.
"Where are your documents saying you're allowed to be here?"
That's the due process as established in law and caselaw.
SCOTUS has also ruled that deportation is not irreparable harm, so the government has a pretty free reign, generally when not done by Trump, to throw people on planes out of the nation.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:00 PM (GBKbO)
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One of the most useful things Our Betters have done is convince people to embrace "free market" type beliefs while knowing that they (Our Betters) are operating in a quasi or outright government-endorsed / enforced socialist environment where there is little to no risk for them but all reward, all while people still living in Heritage America discuss ideal free market approaches to allowing them to continue doing what they've been doing the entire time.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you donated for free? at May 12, 2025 12:00 PM (SHl2J)
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Illegals often don’t have the right to pay taxes, or have driver’s licenses or car insurance or jury duty or.. so I guess they do not have all of our rights and privileges.
Posted by: tubal
1. California has entered the chat.
2. Driving is a privilege.
Posted by: tubal
1. California has entered the chat.
2. Driving is a privilege.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 12:00 PM (4dDXL)
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 12:00 PM (x0NqF)
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Paying taxes is a right??????
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 12:01 PM (77rzZ)
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Georgia has been red since the 60's. They voted for their own Jimmy Carter, and Clinton won it in '92 by
Has there been any state with consistent "red meat" Republican senators? TX, UT, AK, MT, LA, OK, SD, ND, KY.... All deep red states with RINO or Dem senators. But they almost all *also* have a solid conservative senator, so it's very possible, just have to fight (state GOPe's) hard for it...
Posted by: bearski
Georgia 2025 is nothing even remotely close to Georgia in the 60s or even 90s.
Things change. Metro Atlanta is a top 10 economic powerhouse area now. And that growth has been fielded my migration from very liberal people moving in over the past 10-20 years.
As the old Oldsmobile commercials used to say…it’s not your father's Georgia.
Has there been any state with consistent "red meat" Republican senators? TX, UT, AK, MT, LA, OK, SD, ND, KY.... All deep red states with RINO or Dem senators. But they almost all *also* have a solid conservative senator, so it's very possible, just have to fight (state GOPe's) hard for it...
Posted by: bearski
Georgia 2025 is nothing even remotely close to Georgia in the 60s or even 90s.
Things change. Metro Atlanta is a top 10 economic powerhouse area now. And that growth has been fielded my migration from very liberal people moving in over the past 10-20 years.
As the old Oldsmobile commercials used to say…it’s not your father's Georgia.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:01 PM (e4LaW)
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261 Eh, simpler for me really.. avoid certain posts, stick to pop cultural offerings… movies, music, books, bewbs.. or ratchet up the old Snark Machine….
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 11:59 AM (PCK5/)
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I'm always happy to talk about...
*considers mentioning Prometheus*
*thinks better of mentioning Prometheus and does not mention Prometheus*
*does own part to keep thread Prometheus free*
...the designated hitter rule.
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 11:59 AM (PCK5/)
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I'm always happy to talk about...
*considers mentioning Prometheus*
*thinks better of mentioning Prometheus and does not mention Prometheus*
*does own part to keep thread Prometheus free*
...the designated hitter rule.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:01 PM (GBKbO)
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90% could be covered by insurance or 10% could be covered.
You have no idea. Even if you go to an in network facility the guy reading your mri is out of network and he charges $800. Tough shit. Pay $800.
It’s the most retarded system possible.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
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WHY DO YOU HATE THE FREE MARKET?!!!
You have no idea. Even if you go to an in network facility the guy reading your mri is out of network and he charges $800. Tough shit. Pay $800.
It’s the most retarded system possible.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
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WHY DO YOU HATE THE FREE MARKET?!!!
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you donated for free? at May 12, 2025 12:01 PM (SHl2J)
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Nicole Shanahan, who has thrown in with the Blaze, said she would write big checks against Ossoff if he didn't support Bobby, he didn't.
I hope she puts her money where her mouth is.
I hope she puts her money where her mouth is.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 12, 2025 12:01 PM (kYTDp)
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271 Nicole Shanahan, who has thrown in with the Blaze, said she would write big checks against Ossoff if he didn't support Bobby, he didn't.
I hope she puts her money where her mouth is.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 12, 2025 12:01 PM (kYTDp)
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Only in the primary. That was her promise, to fund primary challengers.
Not general election challengers.
I hope she puts her money where her mouth is.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 12, 2025 12:01 PM (kYTDp)
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Only in the primary. That was her promise, to fund primary challengers.
Not general election challengers.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:02 PM (GBKbO)
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Does DU have intercepted Horde posts?
Posted by: Northernlurker
The fact that their website hasn't self-immolated suggests the answer is "no".
Posted by: Northernlurker
The fact that their website hasn't self-immolated suggests the answer is "no".
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 12:02 PM (4dDXL)
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Buck you got it wrong: "A pound of bugs in every pot and a Rivian in an elitist's garage".
RINOs are just Democrats practicing taqqiya.
RINOs are just Democrats practicing taqqiya.
Posted by: BillB at May 12, 2025 12:02 PM (TQxb9)
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TX, UT, AK, MT, LA, OK, SD, ND, KY.... All deep red states with RINO or Dem senators. But they almost all *also* have a solid conservative senator, so it's very possible, just have to fight (state GOPe's) hard for it...
State GOPs are openly at war with DeSantis and Abbott, at least. Probably more from that list.
Also, Dems had demonstrations over the weekend with professional pre-printed signs again like USAID was back in business. So either Boasberg won permanently or Soros actually opened his pocketbook. This time the message was "Would you have killed Nazis in WW2? Now's your chance!". The Blob is going full-tilt on trying to cause a Summer of Love.
State GOPs are openly at war with DeSantis and Abbott, at least. Probably more from that list.
Also, Dems had demonstrations over the weekend with professional pre-printed signs again like USAID was back in business. So either Boasberg won permanently or Soros actually opened his pocketbook. This time the message was "Would you have killed Nazis in WW2? Now's your chance!". The Blob is going full-tilt on trying to cause a Summer of Love.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:02 PM (2ocoG)
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Eh, simpler for me really.. avoid certain posts, stick to pop cultural offerings… movies, music, books, bewbs.. or ratchet up the old Snark Machine….
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 11:59 AM (PCK5/)
I enjoyeth thy snarketh
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 11:59 AM (PCK5/)
I enjoyeth thy snarketh
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 12:02 PM (dCxaZ)
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264 One of the most useful things Our Betters have done is convince people to embrace "free market" type beliefs while knowing that they (Our Betters) are operating in a quasi or outright government-endorsed / enforced socialist environment where there is little to no risk for them but all reward, all while people still living in Heritage America discuss ideal free market approaches to allowing them to continue doing what they've been doing the entire time.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you donated for free? at May 12, 2025 12:00 PM (SHl2J)
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Truth. Government bailouts being the chief example.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you donated for free? at May 12, 2025 12:00 PM (SHl2J)
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Truth. Government bailouts being the chief example.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at May 12, 2025 12:02 PM (Vh9CX)
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Does DU have intercepted Horde posts?
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at May 12, 2025 11:59 AM (ZbsBz)
I hope so.
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at May 12, 2025 11:59 AM (ZbsBz)
I hope so.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 12:03 PM (i24o9)
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I give less than half a shit about SCOTUS case law. That isn't an argument. It's an appeal to authority, an authority that SCOTUS has seized.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 12:03 PM (x0NqF)
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My Father's Oldsmobiles were a 442 and a Cutlass 88 that could haul ass to Pluto and back without leaving earshot.
I liked my father's oldsmobiles.
I liked my father's oldsmobiles.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 12:03 PM (VoAdT)
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‘ Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions’
These cocksuckers are intentionally proving how vile and hypocritical they are.
They make me impatient for Trump to actually be fascist.
These cocksuckers are intentionally proving how vile and hypocritical they are.
They make me impatient for Trump to actually be fascist.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 12, 2025 12:03 PM (jbnUc)
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I dunno - I despair of the RINOs, but then I look at their opposition, realize how it could be worse, hold my nose tightly, and then vote for the friggin' turncoat.
I've toyed with voting for the Dem if for no other reason than to turn the danged RINO out of office. But then I see the appalling extent of damage the Dems gleefully wreak upon the foundations of America as Constituted, and I recoil from that....once again voting for a turd-polisher.
But I wonder - is Cloward-Piven the way to go? Expedite the collapse of this overgrown fungal obscenity of so-called "government"? Look long term that the only way to clean these Augean Stables is to burn them down and build anew? The idea of individual Rights superior to and outside of any form of government was an astonishing doctrine 250 years ago - but not so now. We've had 250 years to see if and where the anti-Federalists were right, and that better safeguards need to be welded to the next formation of government.
It'd be a helluva gamble, though, to expect that the forces which guided our Founding exist today. I'm hard-put to think of 50 people I'd willingly send to an Article V convention.
I've toyed with voting for the Dem if for no other reason than to turn the danged RINO out of office. But then I see the appalling extent of damage the Dems gleefully wreak upon the foundations of America as Constituted, and I recoil from that....once again voting for a turd-polisher.
But I wonder - is Cloward-Piven the way to go? Expedite the collapse of this overgrown fungal obscenity of so-called "government"? Look long term that the only way to clean these Augean Stables is to burn them down and build anew? The idea of individual Rights superior to and outside of any form of government was an astonishing doctrine 250 years ago - but not so now. We've had 250 years to see if and where the anti-Federalists were right, and that better safeguards need to be welded to the next formation of government.
It'd be a helluva gamble, though, to expect that the forces which guided our Founding exist today. I'm hard-put to think of 50 people I'd willingly send to an Article V convention.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at May 12, 2025 12:04 PM (bufu1)
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And as I read it, there is no intent to impose "price controls" for drugs. Just Trump and RFK jr telling the drug companies. Yeah, if you can make and sell that drug for the 1.59/dose you charge Canada Medicare is not going to pay you 7.79/dose. The only reason companies can get away with charging the U.S. so much extra is because Big Pharma invested so much money buying politicians and bureaucrats like Fauci.
Posted by: PaleRider at May 12, 2025 11:32 AM (bP/i4)
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Not exactly. Canada says if you want to sell to us - you will only get paid X. In the US, there are no controls. But if Medicare soon only charges X as well because of best price requirements, soon private insurers will say I won't pay more than 200-300% of medicare. They are paying a bunch more than that today. What will happen? The vaunted socialized health care systems are going to see a dramatic increase in prescription drug prices. Our system is still expensive - the hospitals are a big reason for that - but this will reduce US costs, and increase everyone else's.
Posted by: PaleRider at May 12, 2025 11:32 AM (bP/i4)
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Not exactly. Canada says if you want to sell to us - you will only get paid X. In the US, there are no controls. But if Medicare soon only charges X as well because of best price requirements, soon private insurers will say I won't pay more than 200-300% of medicare. They are paying a bunch more than that today. What will happen? The vaunted socialized health care systems are going to see a dramatic increase in prescription drug prices. Our system is still expensive - the hospitals are a big reason for that - but this will reduce US costs, and increase everyone else's.
Posted by: Black JEM at May 12, 2025 12:04 PM (GZYu7)
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259 Does DU have intercepted Horde posts?
Posted by: Northernlurker
No, they rarely quote or mention conservative sources, and I've never seen AoS mentioned. When being hyperbolic and complaining about the worst online rightwingers possible, they either reference Freepers or Fox News.
Posted by: Northernlurker
No, they rarely quote or mention conservative sources, and I've never seen AoS mentioned. When being hyperbolic and complaining about the worst online rightwingers possible, they either reference Freepers or Fox News.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 12, 2025 12:04 PM (JCZqz)
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I say treat illegal aliens as we would prisoners of war. We have a responsibility to give them minimal levels of humane treatment while we expedite the process to eject them from the country.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: I care at May 12, 2025 12:05 PM (AOsQT)
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my county has just experienced the closing of a MAJOR hospital/health system
yeah it really sucks
the hospital systems at least around here are fully corrupt and ridiculous and ruining health care
yeah it really sucks
the hospital systems at least around here are fully corrupt and ridiculous and ruining health care
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 12, 2025 12:05 PM (Pv3Rg)
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When being hyperbolic and complaining about the worst online rightwingers possible, they either reference Freepers or Fox News.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 12, 2025 12:04 PM (JCZqz)
Lol.
So do we.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 12, 2025 12:04 PM (JCZqz)
Lol.
So do we.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 12:05 PM (VoAdT)
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n Kirtsaeng vs. John Wiley & Son the Supreme Court said "Nuh-uh", and as a side consequence also upheld the right to sell used textbooks.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:53 AM (W5ArC)
Thanks for the info.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:53 AM (W5ArC)
Thanks for the info.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:06 PM (VofaG)
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It'd be a helluva gamble, though, to expect that the forces which guided our Founding exist today. I'm hard-put to think of 50 people I'd willingly send to an Article V convention.
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Send me. You'd get a Confederacy.
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Send me. You'd get a Confederacy.
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:06 PM (n17eQ)
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When being hyperbolic and complaining about the worst online rightwingers possible, they either reference Freepers or Fox News.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 12, 2025 12:04 PM (JCZqz)
Lol.
So do we.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 12:05 PM (VoAdT)
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It's wonderful that Fox News can bring together both very acrimonious sides to a common conclusion.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 12, 2025 12:04 PM (JCZqz)
Lol.
So do we.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 12:05 PM (VoAdT)
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It's wonderful that Fox News can bring together both very acrimonious sides to a common conclusion.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 12:06 PM (x0NqF)
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Suppose instead the government just made it fully legal to get your prescriptions from a Canadian pharmacy (a real one, not a Viagra mill). That would produce exactly the same effect at the consumer level.
Would this also be a "price control"? How are the situations different?
(of course the downside of this would be that it would hurt US pharmacies, which we probably don't want to do)
Would this also be a "price control"? How are the situations different?
(of course the downside of this would be that it would hurt US pharmacies, which we probably don't want to do)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 12:07 PM (W5ArC)
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The last American held by Hamas has been released..
Posted by: Hawaiian Judge at May 12, 2025 12:07 PM (VE6XX)
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Send me to an Article V convention and you'll get 58 new nations.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 12:07 PM (VoAdT)
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Speaking of revolutions, Pepsi is now number four (4) in the cola wars.
1. Coke
2. Dr. Pepper
3. Sprite
4. Pepsi
https://shorturl.at/LtkIC
1. Coke
2. Dr. Pepper
3. Sprite
4. Pepsi
https://shorturl.at/LtkIC
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Elephants and Earthquakes! at May 12, 2025 12:07 PM (L/fGl)
295
The way I see it now is more in the form of a tariff than a price control.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:08 PM (VofaG)
296
Speaking of revolutions, Pepsi is now number four (4) in the cola wars.
1. Coke
2. Dr. Pepper
3. Sprite
4. Pepsi
https://shorturl.at/LtkIC
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Elephants and Earthquakes! at May 12, 2025 12:07 PM (L/fGl)
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I guess RC wasn't invited to the party. Bastards.
1. Coke
2. Dr. Pepper
3. Sprite
4. Pepsi
https://shorturl.at/LtkIC
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Elephants and Earthquakes! at May 12, 2025 12:07 PM (L/fGl)
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I guess RC wasn't invited to the party. Bastards.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 12:08 PM (x0NqF)
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If a non-resident commits a crime, they have rights to trials within the bounds of the constitution. The government doesn't have the right to summarily execute them, for instance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:44 AM (GBKbO)
The government can also deport them without putting them on trial. That is a choice, and America tends to want alien criminals in jail when they commit crimes against Americans.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:44 AM (GBKbO)
The government can also deport them without putting them on trial. That is a choice, and America tends to want alien criminals in jail when they commit crimes against Americans.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 12, 2025 12:08 PM (L5An7)
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280 Oldsmobile made engines were held in high esteem by the go fast crowd. Sometimes you would buy a new Chevy or Pontiac, and lo and behold, there would be an Olds engine. A hot rod type buddy of mine said they would handle really high rpms that the run of the mill GM engines couldn't.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 12, 2025 12:08 PM (gm9Sb)
299
294 Speaking of revolutions, Pepsi is now number four (4) in the cola wars.
1. Coke
2. Dr. Pepper
3. Sprite
4. Pepsi
https://shorturl.at/LtkIC
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Elephants and Earthquakes! at May 12, 2025 12:07 PM (L/fGl)
No love for Roman Catholic Cola???
1. Coke
2. Dr. Pepper
3. Sprite
4. Pepsi
https://shorturl.at/LtkIC
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Elephants and Earthquakes! at May 12, 2025 12:07 PM (L/fGl)
No love for Roman Catholic Cola???
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 12:08 PM (PCK5/)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 12, 2025 12:08 PM (kYTDp)
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297 The government can also deport them without putting them on trial. That is a choice, and America tends to want alien criminals in jail when they commit crimes against Americans.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 12, 2025 12:08 PM (L5An7)
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That is also true.
And even green card holders can get deported for criminal activity.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 12, 2025 12:08 PM (L5An7)
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That is also true.
And even green card holders can get deported for criminal activity.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:09 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Django at May 12, 2025 12:10 PM (bbuBP)
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I'm still in the RC and Moon Pie camp.
Local store here (damned NoVa) doesn't generally stock either. Have to order the Moon Pies from the factory and drive to Martinsburg to get the monthly supply of RC.
Local store here (damned NoVa) doesn't generally stock either. Have to order the Moon Pies from the factory and drive to Martinsburg to get the monthly supply of RC.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 12:10 PM (x0NqF)
304
https://ktla.com/news/local-news
/amazon-driver-purportedly-poops-
on-front-porch-of-los-angeles-home/
/amazon-driver-purportedly-poops-
on-front-porch-of-los-angeles-home/
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at May 12, 2025 12:10 PM (bLvUu)
305
Speaking of revolutions, Pepsi is now number four (4) in the cola wars.
1. Coke
2. Dr. Pepper
3. Sprite
4. Pepsi
https://shorturl.at/LtkIC
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Elephants and Earthquakes! at May 12, 2025 12:07 PM (L/fGl)
Do Diet Coke sales get categorized along regular Coke? I drink only diet
1. Coke
2. Dr. Pepper
3. Sprite
4. Pepsi
https://shorturl.at/LtkIC
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Elephants and Earthquakes! at May 12, 2025 12:07 PM (L/fGl)
Do Diet Coke sales get categorized along regular Coke? I drink only diet
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at May 12, 2025 12:10 PM (WnEm5)
306
WHY DO YOU HATE THE FREE MARKET?!!!
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you don
Health care is the worst of both worlds. Heavily regulated but still privately run. We really have a govt run system where the work is contracted out to the “private” health care market.
It’s govt idiocy with private profit and corruption mixed in.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you don
Health care is the worst of both worlds. Heavily regulated but still privately run. We really have a govt run system where the work is contracted out to the “private” health care market.
It’s govt idiocy with private profit and corruption mixed in.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:10 PM (e4LaW)
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296 Speaking of revolutions, Pepsi is now number four (4) in the cola wars.
1. Coke
2. Dr. Pepper
3. Sprite
4. Pepsi
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I like a Dr. Pepper now and again. Dittos, a Cherry Coke. Dr. Pepper's advertisements are enjoyable. I really can't recall a Coke advertisement.
1. Coke
2. Dr. Pepper
3. Sprite
4. Pepsi
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I like a Dr. Pepper now and again. Dittos, a Cherry Coke. Dr. Pepper's advertisements are enjoyable. I really can't recall a Coke advertisement.
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:10 PM (n17eQ)
308
When being hyperbolic and complaining about the worst online rightwingers possible, they either reference Freepers or Fox News.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 12, 2025 12:04 PM (JCZqz)
Lol.
So do we.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 12:05 PM (VoAdT)
For completely different reasons though.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at May 12, 2025 12:04 PM (JCZqz)
Lol.
So do we.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 12:05 PM (VoAdT)
For completely different reasons though.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:11 PM (VofaG)
309
I give less than half a shit about SCOTUS case law. That isn't an argument. It's an appeal to authority, an authority that SCOTUS has seized.
Posted by: WitchDoktor
You didn't swear an oath to support all SCROTUS decisions as supreme law of the land?
Posted by: WitchDoktor
You didn't swear an oath to support all SCROTUS decisions as supreme law of the land?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 12, 2025 12:11 PM (/lPRQ)
310
My Father's Oldsmobiles were a 442 and a Cutlass 88 that could haul ass to Pluto and back without leaving earshot.
I liked my father's oldsmobiles.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 12:03 PM (VoAdT)
My Dad had a '71 442 in '74. That lasted about 6 months.
I liked my father's oldsmobiles.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 12:03 PM (VoAdT)
My Dad had a '71 442 in '74. That lasted about 6 months.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 12:11 PM (i24o9)
311
VOTE VANCE!
Posted by: Sid just wants to vote for Vance at May 12, 2025 12:11 PM (PUCHu)
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 12:11 PM (4dDXL)
313
One last thing: US pharma R&D is more $$$ than the rest of the world, because the FDA sucks. It’s more expensive to bring a drug to market here, so it’s not unreasonable for us to pay a bit more. (Or fix the FDA.)
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director
IIRC, there was also talk of accepting certifications from certain other countries. That would make the FDA less of a bottleneck. Force them to function in a free-market economy.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director
IIRC, there was also talk of accepting certifications from certain other countries. That would make the FDA less of a bottleneck. Force them to function in a free-market economy.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 12:11 PM (ExV1e)
314
For completely different reasons though.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:11 PM (VofaG)
We hate them because they lie too much.
They hate them because they don't lie enough.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:11 PM (VofaG)
We hate them because they lie too much.
They hate them because they don't lie enough.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 12:11 PM (VoAdT)
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303 I'm still in the RC and Moon Pie camp.
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The Triple Decker Moon Pie was a bridge Too Far!
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The Triple Decker Moon Pie was a bridge Too Far!
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:12 PM (n17eQ)
316
Speaking of revolutions, Pepsi is now number four (4) in the cola wars.
1. Coke
2. Dr. Pepper
3. Sprite
4. Pepsi
https://shorturl.at/LtkIC
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Elephants and Earthquakes! at May 12, 2025 12:07 PM (L/fGl)
I remember mumble mumble years ago when a Coca Cola sales rep referred to Pepsi Cola as "negro belly wash". If they changed the name to that today, it would probably be a huge seller.
1. Coke
2. Dr. Pepper
3. Sprite
4. Pepsi
https://shorturl.at/LtkIC
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Elephants and Earthquakes! at May 12, 2025 12:07 PM (L/fGl)
I remember mumble mumble years ago when a Coca Cola sales rep referred to Pepsi Cola as "negro belly wash". If they changed the name to that today, it would probably be a huge seller.
Posted by: Stepin Fetchit at May 12, 2025 12:12 PM (xofCm)
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I say this based on the example of the guy who bought a specific drug manufacturer and raised the price over 1000%.
Maybe some policy that if the pharm prices their drug above X that they lose their patent exclusivity and generics can be manufactured for competition.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:21 AM (VofaG)
Epipens! A Biden crony, IIRC.
Maybe some policy that if the pharm prices their drug above X that they lose their patent exclusivity and generics can be manufactured for competition.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 11:21 AM (VofaG)
Epipens! A Biden crony, IIRC.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 12, 2025 12:12 PM (1qCsC)
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Remember when Cornyn was the junior senator for Texas? Between Kay and McCornyn Texas pretty much had the equivalent of Ossoff and Warnock. McCornyn puts on his red tie on when he's up for reelection only.
Posted by: DanMan at May 12, 2025 12:12 PM (8uzBS)
319
Coke only advertises because they have money to burn and the other guys do it…
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 12:12 PM (PCK5/)
320
Speaking of revolutions, Pepsi is now number four (4) in the cola wars.
1. Coke
2. Dr. Pepper
3. Sprite
4. Pepsi
https://shorturl.at/LtkIC
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Elephants and Earthquakes! at May 12, 2025 12:07 PM (L/fGl)
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Mr. Pibb is pissed!
1. Coke
2. Dr. Pepper
3. Sprite
4. Pepsi
https://shorturl.at/LtkIC
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Elephants and Earthquakes! at May 12, 2025 12:07 PM (L/fGl)
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Mr. Pibb is pissed!
Posted by: ShainS -- Sovereignty Trumps Journalism (#OrangeHorseBad)! at May 12, 2025 12:12 PM (0otV1)
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Posted by: Sid at May 12, 2025 12:11 PM (PUCHu)
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55% tariffs is capitulating.
Acting like Trump's end goal was 150% tariffs.
Lord, you're dumb.
Just vote for Vance, already.
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55% tariffs is capitulating.
Acting like Trump's end goal was 150% tariffs.
Lord, you're dumb.
Just vote for Vance, already.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:12 PM (GBKbO)
322
Sid, you ignorant slut.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 12, 2025 12:12 PM (u73oe)
323
Illegal aliens do not have full due process rights *with respect to their immigration status or deportation*. That is governed by other rules, with its own laws and institutions (such as administrative "immigration courts", which are not judicial). That system has many features that parallel the normal judicial system - appeals, exceptions, ability to make allowance for individual circumstances, all at the discretion of the authorities.
If an illegal alien is charged with a crime, he receives the full normal panoply of due process protections *with respect to his prosecution under those charges*.
It's not that complicated. Lankford of course is a bizarre and idiotic creature, yet another head-scratcher as to how he holds any office, much less as a GOP senator from effing OK! The "debate" over this topic is no less illiterate, ridiculous, illogical, uninformed, and riddled with bad faith than debate over most major issues. That's the stunningly degraded state of the country and its populace and its institutions today.
If an illegal alien is charged with a crime, he receives the full normal panoply of due process protections *with respect to his prosecution under those charges*.
It's not that complicated. Lankford of course is a bizarre and idiotic creature, yet another head-scratcher as to how he holds any office, much less as a GOP senator from effing OK! The "debate" over this topic is no less illiterate, ridiculous, illogical, uninformed, and riddled with bad faith than debate over most major issues. That's the stunningly degraded state of the country and its populace and its institutions today.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2025 12:13 PM (1m82a)
324
The Triple Decker Moon Pie was a bridge Too Far!
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:12 PM (n17eQ)
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Totally - it's a Moon Pie, not a club sandwich.
My line was crossed with the banana flavored ones. Ugh.
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:12 PM (n17eQ)
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Totally - it's a Moon Pie, not a club sandwich.
My line was crossed with the banana flavored ones. Ugh.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 12:13 PM (x0NqF)
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Mr. Pibb is pissed!
Posted by: ShainS -- Sovereignty Trumps Journalism (#OrangeHorseBad)! at May 12, 2025 12:12 PM (0otV1)
You misspelled 'sucks.'
Mr. Pibb is pissed!
Posted by: ShainS -- Sovereignty Trumps Journalism (#OrangeHorseBad)! at May 12, 2025 12:12 PM (0otV1)
You misspelled 'sucks.'
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:13 PM (Zz0t1)
326
Well, yes, but now it's paradise on Earth.
New York's Budget Went From $100B to $254B in a Decade
New York's Budget Went From $100B to $254B in a Decade
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Elephants and Earthquakes! at May 12, 2025 12:13 PM (L/fGl)
327
Georgia isn’t “so blue”. It’s purple but MUCH bluer than a generation ago. Why is it so hard to accept that over time places change politically? California was once deep red too. Until it wasn’t. Florida was blue-ish until it wasn’t.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:14 PM (e4LaW)
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323 It's not that complicated. Lankford of course is a bizarre and idiotic creature, yet another head-scratcher as to how he holds any office, much less as a GOP senator from effing OK! The "debate" over this topic is no less illiterate, ridiculous, illogical, uninformed, and riddled with bad faith than debate over most major issues. That's the stunningly degraded state of the country and its populace and its institutions today.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2025 12:13 PM (1m82a)
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A state so red that Democrats don't even win Oklahoma City in presidential elections.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2025 12:13 PM (1m82a)
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A state so red that Democrats don't even win Oklahoma City in presidential elections.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:14 PM (GBKbO)
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322 Sid, you ignorant slut.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 12, 2025 12:12 PM (u73oe)
Don't play with the troll....You might get cooties
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 12, 2025 12:12 PM (u73oe)
Don't play with the troll....You might get cooties
Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2025 12:14 PM (VE6XX)
330
About cheap Indian versions of textbooks: I always encouraged my advanced students to buy the Indian versions - the paper isn’t as good, but good enough - these are texts a serious student might want to keep as a reference for the future - I kept mine all through my career.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 12, 2025 12:14 PM (/HoPU)
331
I prolly drink as many Pepsies as I do Coke. Neither could count on me to impact sales.
Posted by: DanMan at May 12, 2025 12:14 PM (8uzBS)
332
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I guess RC wasn't invited to the party. Bastards.
Posted by: WitchDoktor
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RC is owned by one of the big one's. It's not what it used to be.
I guess RC wasn't invited to the party. Bastards.
Posted by: WitchDoktor
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RC is owned by one of the big one's. It's not what it used to be.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 12, 2025 12:14 PM (kYTDp)
333
Doctor Thunder… the Kaboom!! of soft drinks..
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 12:14 PM (PCK5/)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:14 PM (Zz0t1)
335
Dad had a Delta 88 with the 455ci
Posted by: Don Black. Message: I care at May 12, 2025 12:14 PM (AOsQT)
336
Suppose instead the government just made it fully legal to get your prescriptions from a Canadian pharmacy (a real one, not a Viagra mill). That would produce exactly the same effect at the consumer level.
Would this also be a "price control"? How are the situations different?
(of course the downside of this would be that it would hurt US pharmacies, which we probably don't want to do)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 12:07 PM (W5ArC)
==
It's already legal to do drug re-importation. Pharma companies responded by limiting the amount of pills they would sell based upon civilian population numbers.
Would this also be a "price control"? How are the situations different?
(of course the downside of this would be that it would hurt US pharmacies, which we probably don't want to do)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 12:07 PM (W5ArC)
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It's already legal to do drug re-importation. Pharma companies responded by limiting the amount of pills they would sell based upon civilian population numbers.
Posted by: Black JEM at May 12, 2025 12:14 PM (GZYu7)
337
IIRC the VA pharmacy system has had the power to negotiate prices. I have noticed the VA pharmacy inventory has greatly expanded in the past 10 years. For example, it seemed like the VA had stock in the makers of Warfarin and that was all they would prescribe. Now they have the gee whiz substitutes that don't require all the lab tests. I asked the Doc about Voltaren, and he said give it a try (didn't work for me) and they had it in the pharmacy.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at May 12, 2025 12:14 PM (gm9Sb)
338
324 The Triple Decker Moon Pie was a bridge Too Far!
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:12 PM (n17eQ)
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Totally - it's a Moon Pie, not a club sandwich.
My line was crossed with the banana flavored ones. Ugh.
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You can't simulate Banana Pudding. Its either real or its hideous like a Pop Tart.
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:12 PM (n17eQ)
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Totally - it's a Moon Pie, not a club sandwich.
My line was crossed with the banana flavored ones. Ugh.
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You can't simulate Banana Pudding. Its either real or its hideous like a Pop Tart.
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:15 PM (n17eQ)
339
I want a nood drug.
Posted by: Huey Lewis at May 12, 2025 12:15 PM (FAGAJ)
340
RC is owned by one of the big one's. It's not what it used to be.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 12, 2025 12:14 PM (kYTDp)
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Goddamn it. Looked it up and yeah, owned by Keurig Dr. Pepper, formerly Green Mountain Roasters.
A goddamned coffee company?!
I'm surprised we don't have RC pods.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 12, 2025 12:14 PM (kYTDp)
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Goddamn it. Looked it up and yeah, owned by Keurig Dr. Pepper, formerly Green Mountain Roasters.
A goddamned coffee company?!
I'm surprised we don't have RC pods.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 12:16 PM (x0NqF)
341
well it finally happened
I took my glasses off, put them down, and now they're gone
I took my glasses off, put them down, and now they're gone
Posted by: Don Black. Message: I care at May 12, 2025 12:16 PM (AOsQT)
342
Speaking of education, Chegg is laying off 25% of its workforce. AI is making it irrelevant.
And so it begins…
And so it begins…
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:16 PM (e4LaW)
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335 Dad had a Delta 88 with the 455ci
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I borrowed my Dad's Delta on date night. That front couch was totes a make out launching pad.
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I borrowed my Dad's Delta on date night. That front couch was totes a make out launching pad.
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:16 PM (n17eQ)
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Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 11:44 AM (77rzZ)
Thanks for thinking of him and passing on the info.
Thanks for thinking of him and passing on the info.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 12, 2025 12:17 PM (6ORuo)
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Americans can't get deported, for instance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:52 AM (GBKbO)
Really?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 11:52 AM (GBKbO)
Really?
Posted by: Zombie Rosa Luxemburg at May 12, 2025 12:17 PM (D7oie)
346
Nood
Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 12, 2025 12:17 PM (4/Kdf)
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 12:17 PM (77rzZ)
348
I was an Oldsmobile guy. That's probably why they went away
I had an Cutlass Salon with a 455 Rocket in High School, a Delta 88 in college and a Cutlass Supreme soon after I wrecked my first new car I ever bought. a Saab 900. Somebody didn't like that I switched.
I had an Cutlass Salon with a 455 Rocket in High School, a Delta 88 in college and a Cutlass Supreme soon after I wrecked my first new car I ever bought. a Saab 900. Somebody didn't like that I switched.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:18 PM (VofaG)
349
Pharma Pricing.
We will pay the same amount that the country that pays the lowest price pays.
Let pharma boardroom drunkenness begin.
We will pay the same amount that the country that pays the lowest price pays.
Let pharma boardroom drunkenness begin.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 12, 2025 12:18 PM (kYTDp)
350
Georgia is _NOT_ purple. They’re cheating, but can still be fought down!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 12, 2025 12:18 PM (/HoPU)
351
https://ktla.com/news/local-news
/amazon-driver-purportedly-poops-
on-front-porch-of-los-angeles-home/
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats
Another triumph for women's liberation I see.
/amazon-driver-purportedly-poops-
on-front-porch-of-los-angeles-home/
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats
Another triumph for women's liberation I see.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Elephants and Earthquakes! at May 12, 2025 12:19 PM (L/fGl)
352
That's the stunningly degraded state of the country and its populace and its institutions today.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2025 12:13 PM (1m82a)
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*looks up from gaming console*
*wipes Dorito crumbles from mouth with back of hand*
*slurps Big Gulp 84 oz Pepsi then belches*
Wait, wut?
Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2025 12:13 PM (1m82a)
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*looks up from gaming console*
*wipes Dorito crumbles from mouth with back of hand*
*slurps Big Gulp 84 oz Pepsi then belches*
Wait, wut?
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 12:19 PM (RIvkX)
353
Already shared here?
Planning to withdraw cash in Spain? You could now face a €150,000 fine
By Farah Mokrani
Updated: 30 Apr 2025
https://shorturl.at/6uDXe
EuroWeekly News
MISSION STATEMENT: to assist the integration of foreign residents living in Spain
Planning to withdraw cash in Spain? You could now face a €150,000 fine
By Farah Mokrani
Updated: 30 Apr 2025
https://shorturl.at/6uDXe
EuroWeekly News
MISSION STATEMENT: to assist the integration of foreign residents living in Spain
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 12, 2025 12:19 PM (Vqx30)
354
It does get somewhat complicated within the illegal alien populace when it comes to removal (deportation). That's what the Alien Enemy Act invocation is all about. Those designated do not get the immigration system route, they are removable ipso facto by membership in the "enemy" designation.
And then you have the (ridiculously abused, of course) mass of aliens who received TPS (temporary protected status) from the vegetable administration (mostly Haitians and Venezuelans). Changing their status and removing them is an administrative decision - OF COURSE currently stymied by a bad faith, illegal, usurping district court injunction.
And then you have the (ridiculously abused, of course) mass of aliens who received TPS (temporary protected status) from the vegetable administration (mostly Haitians and Venezuelans). Changing their status and removing them is an administrative decision - OF COURSE currently stymied by a bad faith, illegal, usurping district court injunction.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 12, 2025 12:19 PM (1m82a)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 12, 2025 12:20 PM (kYTDp)
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286 my county has just experienced the closing of a MAJOR hospital/health system
yeah it really sucks
the hospital systems at least around here are fully corrupt and ridiculous and ruining health care
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 12, 2025 12:05 PM (Pv3Rg)
Your Affordable Care Act (ubama care) at work, comrade.
yeah it really sucks
the hospital systems at least around here are fully corrupt and ridiculous and ruining health care
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 12, 2025 12:05 PM (Pv3Rg)
Your Affordable Care Act (ubama care) at work, comrade.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 12:20 PM (r51hs)
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I don't understand the complication.
Aliens have no rights under our constitution.
Aliens have no rights under our constitution.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 12, 2025 12:23 PM (kYTDp)
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I continue to regret keeping Cornyn out of jail.
Posted by: Bones at May 12, 2025 12:23 PM (dmwOI)
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Paying taxes is a right??????
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 12:01 PM (77rzZ)
Right. You can either pay your taxes or voluntarily go to federal prison.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 12:01 PM (77rzZ)
Right. You can either pay your taxes or voluntarily go to federal prison.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 12, 2025 12:25 PM (D7oie)
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 12, 2025 12:26 PM (t/2Uw)
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No love for Roman Catholic Cola???
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 12:08 PM (PCK5/)
Pareto is unavoidable
Posted by: tubal at May 12, 2025 12:08 PM (PCK5/)
Pareto is unavoidable
Posted by: Kindltot at May 12, 2025 12:28 PM (D7oie)
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The short story “The Man Without a Country” is fiction of course, but was based in part on a man of Southern sentiment living in the North at the time of the Recent Unpleasantness (I’m being circumspect). Copperheads, I think the monicker was. He, an American citizen, was deported to the Confederacy, which according to Lincoln, didn’t even exist. It was a Civil War, you see, not even a War Between the States. Just rebellious, misguided citizens fighting against their duly elected government. Don’t think being a native born child of native born Americans will protect you from deportation: it didn’t work for him.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 12, 2025 12:29 PM (/HoPU)
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For a long time publishing companies would sell college textbooks for $5 in India and $300 in the United States (same book, sometimes the cheap one would be on lower-quality paper or something), and would sue anyone who attempted to import the $5 edition.
In Kirtsaeng vs. John Wiley & Son the Supreme Court said "Nuh-uh", and as a side consequence also upheld the right to sell used textbooks.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:53 AM (W5ArC)
For lack of a better term, the college textbook industry is a racket.
In Kirtsaeng vs. John Wiley & Son the Supreme Court said "Nuh-uh", and as a side consequence also upheld the right to sell used textbooks.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 11:53 AM (W5ArC)
For lack of a better term, the college textbook industry is a racket.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 12, 2025 12:33 PM (4ia/r)
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The short story “The Man Without a Country” is fiction of course, but was based in part on a man of Southern sentiment living in the North at the time of the Recent Unpleasantness... Don’t think being a native born child of native born Americans will protect you from deportation: it didn’t work for him.
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It didn't work for the fictional man in a story about a nation that was two separate countries with two separate sets of laws?
You might want to work on that one a bit before you try it again.
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It didn't work for the fictional man in a story about a nation that was two separate countries with two separate sets of laws?
You might want to work on that one a bit before you try it again.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you donated for free? at May 12, 2025 12:34 PM (SHl2J)
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Specific example: stores were not permitted to sell toilet paper paper at $20/roll during the coof freak out in 2020. Result? Empty shelves.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:21 AM (gPWpV)
Yeah. Not everybody at once running out and buying 2 weeks worth of tp, plus a cart full just because, before we all got locked down and the four horsemen of the scamdemic rode across the world.
As a lifelong prepper I swore years ago to never run out of tp. Once as a stoned teenager we, my idiot punk friends, after tp'ing a house speculated the repercusions of a tp shortage, as in the one we had just created at a local casino.
"what if the whole world ran out?"
*cough. "dude".
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 11:21 AM (gPWpV)
Yeah. Not everybody at once running out and buying 2 weeks worth of tp, plus a cart full just because, before we all got locked down and the four horsemen of the scamdemic rode across the world.
As a lifelong prepper I swore years ago to never run out of tp. Once as a stoned teenager we, my idiot punk friends, after tp'ing a house speculated the repercusions of a tp shortage, as in the one we had just created at a local casino.
"what if the whole world ran out?"
*cough. "dude".
Posted by: Reforger at May 12, 2025 12:41 PM (xcIvR)
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I'm late, so this might have already been mentioned, but Trump has talked with LA governor Jeff Landry to encourage Congresswoman Julia Letlow to primary punk-ass Bill Cassidy.
https://tinyurl.com/3yw92z2u
https://tinyurl.com/3yw92z2u
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at May 12, 2025 12:48 PM (paSBy)
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BREAKING: ICE just arrested the mayor of Newark for interfering with ICE officials!
Posted by: Don Black. Message: I care at May 12, 2025 11:51 AM (AOsQT)
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Theory:
He's doing this to run for governor, and it'll work.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
As long as he's running for governor from a jail cell.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:58 AM (4dDXL)
A fed NJ Judge will set him free and award him damages. Oh, and donate to his campaign for governor.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: I care at May 12, 2025 11:51 AM (AOsQT)
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Theory:
He's doing this to run for governor, and it'll work.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
As long as he's running for governor from a jail cell.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 11:58 AM (4dDXL)
A fed NJ Judge will set him free and award him damages. Oh, and donate to his campaign for governor.
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (5xuJ/)
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Completely agree that Kemp is a RINO extraodinairre. He had a commercial in his first governor's run, stating he would use his "big truck" to deport illegal aliens.
Since then, he won't even sign legislation limiting benefits they get in Georgia. Lied to the rubes. It worked.
Since then, he won't even sign legislation limiting benefits they get in Georgia. Lied to the rubes. It worked.
Posted by: Close The Fed at May 12, 2025 12:54 PM (LeNk3)
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You hit the nail on the head with this one, Buck!
Posted by: Tracy at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (Or3Ii)
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What Georgia did, what Michigan did, what California did-and is still doing is textbook fascism. I do not know why Republicans are afraid of labeling Democrats fascists, especially since it is such a key component of their wheelhouse.
Every new proposal by Democrats involves more Government control of private industry. Every new alternative fails.
Health Care became more expensive after Obamacare. Education became more expensive after Government Guaranteed Student Loans.
Cars became more expensive after Net-Zero.
Gas became more expensive after it was egregiously taxed to steer drivers away from combustion engines.
EVs were burnt and destroyed to punish drivers.
Mandated vaccines ended up killing people.
Yet still, Republicans are afraid to call Democrats "Fascists". True, Democrats would prefer to call be called Marxists. In fact, to a Democrat, being called a Marxist is not an insult, it is street cred.
Every new proposal by Democrats involves more Government control of private industry. Every new alternative fails.
Health Care became more expensive after Obamacare. Education became more expensive after Government Guaranteed Student Loans.
Cars became more expensive after Net-Zero.
Gas became more expensive after it was egregiously taxed to steer drivers away from combustion engines.
EVs were burnt and destroyed to punish drivers.
Mandated vaccines ended up killing people.
Yet still, Republicans are afraid to call Democrats "Fascists". True, Democrats would prefer to call be called Marxists. In fact, to a Democrat, being called a Marxist is not an insult, it is street cred.
Posted by: wferrin at May 12, 2025 02:06 PM (DMOpA)
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371st!
Posted by: wferrin at May 12, 2025 02:07 PM (DMOpA)
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Well lookie there!
Posted by: wferrin at May 12, 2025 02:08 PM (DMOpA)
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Also, 373rd!
Posted by: wferrin at May 12, 2025 02:08 PM (DMOpA)
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Governor Kemp has done a stellar job for Georgia. In 2023, with an 11bn surplus in the state budget, he gave all first responders and educators nice bonuses. For 2024 with 16bn +/- in the budget, he is giving all eligible Georgia citizens $250.00-500.00 cash rebate. He handled the covid pandemic well and stood his ground against both the CDC and Trump during that time. He did not jump down into the mudslinging trench, either. In September 2024, Hurricane Helene wreaked havoc in areas of Georgia, and Trump came to Georgia claiming that Biden refused to speak to Kemp re federal disaster aid for the state. Kemp had no choice but to set the record straight and correct Trump's false claim. Kemp said that Biden did, in fact, accept his phone call, and he and Biden spoke more than once, with Biden assuring fed assistance for Georgia. Kemp said that Biden even gave him his personal cell number should he need it.
With that said, I truly appreciate both President Trump and Governor Kemp. I do wish Trump would have added a suggestion I sent to his campaign in 2024, and that is to nationalize one screw head profile for the entire USA (Torx would be just fine.)
With that said, I truly appreciate both President Trump and Governor Kemp. I do wish Trump would have added a suggestion I sent to his campaign in 2024, and that is to nationalize one screw head profile for the entire USA (Torx would be just fine.)
Posted by: Statman at May 12, 2025 02:12 PM (HraF0)
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Kemp is a RINO loser who has extreme kinky sex with Raffesnperger (German for "Rino jizz") in motels in Alabama across the border....allegedly....
I am with ACE; Kemp would be a long-term delayed fuse bomb with the same charisma as Murkowski the Cocaine Blizzard. There has to be a conservative MAGA candidate who who turn people off like MTG in the state of GA. Hopefully not another non-political pro-athlete past their due date (like Garvey and Herschel Walker). Heck, open a random George phone book and start looking for one.
I am with ACE; Kemp would be a long-term delayed fuse bomb with the same charisma as Murkowski the Cocaine Blizzard. There has to be a conservative MAGA candidate who who turn people off like MTG in the state of GA. Hopefully not another non-political pro-athlete past their due date (like Garvey and Herschel Walker). Heck, open a random George phone book and start looking for one.
Posted by: Donovan Nuera at May 12, 2025 02:31 PM (LKMDZ)
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The fact that Kemp almost lost to a morbidly obese Mong spacker lady twice is bad enough...not to mention his purposeful evasion of not canning Fani Willis when her first corruption was made known in that witch trial. Or even wondering if there was any cheating in the 2020 elections. Hopefully won't repeat the debacle with Roy Moore in 2018...and Loeffler (whose hubby, unbeknowst to most Americans, was President of Dow Jones Stock Exchange and fought to blacklist a CCP company that Trump wanted blacklisted. She only wore a red hat (not a real MAGA hat) on campaign stops. Then she flip flopped on J6 about protesting election results. Perdue was a dud. Where is a normal MAGA candidate who can retort on his or her feet during a debate and persuade people?
Posted by: Donovan Nuera at May 12, 2025 02:43 PM (LKMDZ)
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I nominate Ace.
I nominate Ace.
Posted by: Marooned at May 12, 2025 03:03 PM (kt8QE)
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27 I think any conservative could sweep Georgia if the election is fair.
Until then kiss it goodbye. A lib will win by a margin just outside automatic recount in after election day vote counting of mail in and provisional ballots with the republican winning ON election day but eventualy loosing.
It's easily predictable now.
Posted by: Reforger at May 12, 2025 11:12 AM (xcIvR)
IIRC, Kemp pretty much installed the election fraud system, and wouldn't lift a finger regarding the obvious cheating in 2020 and since. Yeah, he belongs in jail, not the US Senate (although many other Senators undoubtedly also belong in jail).
Until then kiss it goodbye. A lib will win by a margin just outside automatic recount in after election day vote counting of mail in and provisional ballots with the republican winning ON election day but eventualy loosing.
It's easily predictable now.
Posted by: Reforger at May 12, 2025 11:12 AM (xcIvR)
IIRC, Kemp pretty much installed the election fraud system, and wouldn't lift a finger regarding the obvious cheating in 2020 and since. Yeah, he belongs in jail, not the US Senate (although many other Senators undoubtedly also belong in jail).
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