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Gun Thread: May Edition!
FUNdamentals of Fundamentals! So what are these fundamentals we speak of? Well to my mind the big four are; stance, grip, sight alignment and trigger yanking. But are there others? I suppose safety is one, although I like to think of safety as something so non-negotiable and fundamentally fundamental that it's practically one of the laws of the universe. What else do we have? Practice and range time! The entire process of going to the range regularly and focusing on fundamentals is, in itself, a fundamental. It's fundamentals within fundamentals, man! Q: Did Weasel smoke pot?
A: No! What I am saying is you have to make time for the range in order to practice your fundamentals. Sure, you can dry-fire 'n stuff at home, but there is simply no substitute for real, live shooting and practicing with a plan in mind. You need to make it a big enough priority that it actually stands a decent chance of happening on a fairly regular basis. I know for a fact I am not nearly as good a shooter or wind coach as I was when I was on the range practicing every week. There is simply no way to maintain a competitive edge without that level of commitment. Not interested in competing you say? That's fine. Are you interested in basic competency? That's what is at risk when you go to the range once every six months or year and call it good. If you don't have a plan and a commitment to improve through the methodical application of sound fundamentals, then you cannot expect much progress. Make just a little bit of effort and you will see results. Having said that, some people are also constrained by time or economics, and I get that. If this is the case you simply need to manage expectations. Buy ammo. Go to the range. Focus on fundamentals.
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La Gloria Cubana Classic. Sadly, this week's report is on a stick I have covered previously so I won't dwell on it for long. However it did cause me to think about how we taste things. If memory serves (and that is less and less so these days) I wrote that the Classic is a perfectly satisfactory cigar with a sharp introductory taste of pepper and cinnamon that quickly smooths out to a genuinely fine smoke. An even ash and easy draw, it is a pleasant 30 minute cigar. This one not so much. Very strong pepper flavor that did not abate, an uneven burn, difficult to keep lit, and an aftertaste that was not pleasant at all. I tossed it after just ten minutes. So... why? Why did it taste so bad? I learned how to really taste things from a retired Regimental Sergeant Major of the Scottish Highland Regiment. He was teaching me about the differences in scotches, but what he really taught me was how to take a moment and really taste what I was eating, drinking, or in the case of the cigar, smoking. What does it taste like? Is it sharp, sweet, or savory? The Sergeant Major's lesson has become incredibly valuable over the years. It has been especially useful with cigars. I liked the Classic, it is a good cigar and I think with this one, I was just unlucky. It happens. How to enjoy a cigar can take many forms, and I have no particular favorite. But I always try to slow down whatever I am doing, look at the cigar, feel it, smell it, and taste it after clipping. And then lighting it, experience the first couple of draws. Then let the aroma of the smoke tell me it's story. You can do the same with liquors, food, and other drink. I recommend it. Everything will taste better. Well, everything except okra.Excellent, Diogenes! Thank you!
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BANG!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 04, 2025 07:00 PM (0XVad)
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Italican gubs!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 07:00 PM (Wnv9h)
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It's a 12-gauge, double-barrelled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line.
Posted by: Eromero at May 04, 2025 07:01 PM (LHPAg)
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Good evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at May 04, 2025 07:01 PM (ypFCm)
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Scoob!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 07:01 PM (Wnv9h)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 04, 2025 07:01 PM (0XVad)
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Here. But tooo slow.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:01 PM (QKFOU)
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Skoobs!
Where you been? I sent you a proton mail to make sure you hadn’t fallen off the edge of the world.
Where you been? I sent you a proton mail to make sure you hadn’t fallen off the edge of the world.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:03 PM (QKFOU)
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So what are these fundamentals we speak of? Well to my mind the big four are; stance, grip, sight alignment and trigger yanking. ………
Sounds like a golf lesson.
Sounds like a golf lesson.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 04, 2025 07:04 PM (VofaG)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 07:05 PM (Wnv9h)
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Bang bang bang!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - THIS Year in Corsicana - again at May 04, 2025 07:05 PM (hOUT3)
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Fundamental Question, Weasel:
If you are sitting at a table or lying prone, does that come under “stance”?
If you are sitting at a table or lying prone, does that come under “stance”?
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:06 PM (QKFOU)
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So, last Friday went to the range with my nephew. Plan was originally to do .22 plinking, rifle at 100 yard to work on the scope that gave me problems at the TXMoMe, handgun then shotgun to do a little skeet shooting.
We did not succeed. LOL
Started with the .22. Can I tell you how much FUN it is to shoot targets with a .22? Spent at least 45 minutes there with both handguns and a rifle. Sooo relaxing.
Next up - rifle range
Post #1 of maybe 3
We did not succeed. LOL
Started with the .22. Can I tell you how much FUN it is to shoot targets with a .22? Spent at least 45 minutes there with both handguns and a rifle. Sooo relaxing.
Next up - rifle range
Post #1 of maybe 3
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 04, 2025 07:06 PM (0XVad)
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Here. But tooo slow.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:01 PM
Counting down to NH. Ammo ordered.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:01 PM
Counting down to NH. Ammo ordered.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 07:06 PM (Wnv9h)
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I put 100 rounds through my new Ruger RXM 9mm pistol, a Glock Generation 3 clone. I went to the local shooting spot, tacked up some paper plates at 25 yards, and banged away with a medley of ammo with no problems. The sights are nice and big, with a big dot on the front sight and none at the square-notched rear, which is how it should be. 124 grain loads were spot on for elevation, but hit well to the left, which is usual for me and fixed sighted guns. I’ll need to drift the rear sight over in its dovetail.
Trigger action was the usual striker-fired crunchy and mushy but had a decent final pull of around five pounds, which beats a factory Glock, so I won’t be messing with changing trigger parts.
Accuracy was quite adequate. I didn’t have my sandbag rest setup with me, but shooting with my elbows braced let me shoot groups which mostly stayed on the 8” plates. I bet it will do a lot better than that from a good rest. It seemed to really like Winchester 124 JHP.
to be continued.
Trigger action was the usual striker-fired crunchy and mushy but had a decent final pull of around five pounds, which beats a factory Glock, so I won’t be messing with changing trigger parts.
Accuracy was quite adequate. I didn’t have my sandbag rest setup with me, but shooting with my elbows braced let me shoot groups which mostly stayed on the 8” plates. I bet it will do a lot better than that from a good rest. It seemed to really like Winchester 124 JHP.
to be continued.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 04, 2025 07:06 PM (ForbO)
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Howdy gun morons and moronettes. If April showers bring May flowers, what does all this damned May rain bring?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at May 04, 2025 07:07 PM (Hdixl)
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Howdy gun morons and moronettes. If April showers bring May flowers, what does all this damned May rain bring?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at May 04, 2025 07:07 PM
Mud. It brings mud.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at May 04, 2025 07:07 PM
Mud. It brings mud.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 07:08 PM (Wnv9h)
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Ruger RXM continued...
The Magpul grip frame is one piece, so you can’t adjust the grip size by changing out backstraps. It either fits you or it doesn’t. Magpul has shorter and longer grip frames coming soon.
The slide is already cut for mounting a red dot sight. The irons are tall enough to work with one.
It came with two Magpul 15-round magazines and will take any compatible Glock-style magazine. Loading more than a couple of rounds with my bare hands was a chore, so I was glad to have a Maglula magazine loader with me.
I paid $400 before sales tax, and overall, I say it is excellent value for the money.
The Magpul grip frame is one piece, so you can’t adjust the grip size by changing out backstraps. It either fits you or it doesn’t. Magpul has shorter and longer grip frames coming soon.
The slide is already cut for mounting a red dot sight. The irons are tall enough to work with one.
It came with two Magpul 15-round magazines and will take any compatible Glock-style magazine. Loading more than a couple of rounds with my bare hands was a chore, so I was glad to have a Maglula magazine loader with me.
I paid $400 before sales tax, and overall, I say it is excellent value for the money.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 04, 2025 07:08 PM (ForbO)
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16 Howdy gun morons and moronettes. If April showers bring May flowers, what does all this damned May rain bring?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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Rust in the gun safe.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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Rust in the gun safe.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:08 PM (ctrM5)
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RMBS, I’ve broken in the upper range for us. All good. Except for the ticks.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:09 PM (QKFOU)
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I'm here.
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 07:09 PM (wbjSL)
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RMBS, I’ve broken in the upper range for us. All good. Except for the ticks.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:09 PM
I have Permethrin. Lots and lots of Permethrin.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:09 PM
I have Permethrin. Lots and lots of Permethrin.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 07:10 PM (Wnv9h)
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I paid $400 before sales tax, and overall, I say it is excellent value for the money.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
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Rugers generally are good values and they have good support/customer service the last time I had to deal with them.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
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Rugers generally are good values and they have good support/customer service the last time I had to deal with them.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:10 PM (ctrM5)
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Good evening. No range report. Sigh.
Withdrawal symptoms are setting in.
Thanks again for the thread, Weasel.
Withdrawal symptoms are setting in.
Thanks again for the thread, Weasel.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 04, 2025 07:10 PM (tT6L1)
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If April showers bring May flowers, what does all this damned May rain bring?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at May 04, 2025 07:07 PM (Hdixl)
Mayflowers bring Pilgrims. Wet ones.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at May 04, 2025 07:07 PM (Hdixl)
Mayflowers bring Pilgrims. Wet ones.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:10 PM (QKFOU)
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19 16 Howdy gun morons and moronettes. If April showers bring May flowers, what does all this damned May rain bring?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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Rust in the gun safe.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:08 PM (ctrM5)
Lush green landscapes and plenty of grass to mow. And the pondering of the possibility of getting snake shot.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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Rust in the gun safe.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:08 PM (ctrM5)
Lush green landscapes and plenty of grass to mow. And the pondering of the possibility of getting snake shot.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 04, 2025 07:11 PM (vm8sq)
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Spudboy, is it small enough to comfortably conceal?
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:12 PM (QKFOU)
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16 Howdy gun morons and moronettes. If April showers bring May flowers, what does all this damned May rain bring?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at May 04, 2025 07:07 PM
Mosquitos?
If I can shoot 8 mosquitos with a single shot from my .22 rifle, does that mean I am an excellent shot with exquisite eyesight, or does that mean the mosquitos were really thick?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at May 04, 2025 07:07 PM
Mosquitos?
If I can shoot 8 mosquitos with a single shot from my .22 rifle, does that mean I am an excellent shot with exquisite eyesight, or does that mean the mosquitos were really thick?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 04, 2025 07:12 PM (HlyYF)
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May rain brings the pollen out all of us allergy sufferers have enjoyed missing.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 04, 2025 07:13 PM (tT6L1)
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Since I moved I haven’t been to a range though I have 3x as many to choose from. To be frank I’m kind of bored of just shooting holes in paper.
I’ve got to get out of this shooting rut. I used to do it by buying a new gun but I’m done with that at this point.
I’ve got to get out of this shooting rut. I used to do it by buying a new gun but I’m done with that at this point.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 04, 2025 07:13 PM (VofaG)
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And the pondering of the possibility of getting snake shot.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 04, 2025 07:11 PM
Dude...your snakes are shooting at you?! 😯
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 04, 2025 07:11 PM
Dude...your snakes are shooting at you?! 😯
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 07:13 PM (Wnv9h)
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{Competency is} what is at risk when you go to the range once every six months or year and call it good.
This was one of the things that bothered me so very much in the Air Force. It's true that we weren't a ground force, but plenty of AF personnel were going to get engaged on the ground in some sorts of fights. And yet, except for the SPs, almost nobody actually got to fire personal weapons except for the once a year qualification. It was twice a year if you were forward deployed, or in certain jobs (like living with the Army as their advisor). It sure as heck made a mockery of "Warrior Days" and those sorts of things, IMHO.
This was one of the things that bothered me so very much in the Air Force. It's true that we weren't a ground force, but plenty of AF personnel were going to get engaged on the ground in some sorts of fights. And yet, except for the SPs, almost nobody actually got to fire personal weapons except for the once a year qualification. It was twice a year if you were forward deployed, or in certain jobs (like living with the Army as their advisor). It sure as heck made a mockery of "Warrior Days" and those sorts of things, IMHO.
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 07:14 PM (wbjSL)
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I can shoot 8 mosquitos with a single shot from my .22 rifle, does that mean I am an excellent shot with exquisite eyesight, or does that mean the mosquitos were really thick?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 04, 2025 07:12 PM (HlyYF)
Yes. Keep up the good work, PI.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 04, 2025 07:12 PM (HlyYF)
Yes. Keep up the good work, PI.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:14 PM (QKFOU)
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And the pondering of the possibility of getting snake shot.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 04, 2025 07:11 PM
Dude...your snakes are shooting at you?! 😯
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 07:13 PM (Wnv9h)
Oh, c'mon! How would they pull the trigger?
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 04, 2025 07:11 PM
Dude...your snakes are shooting at you?! 😯
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 07:13 PM (Wnv9h)
Oh, c'mon! How would they pull the trigger?
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 07:15 PM (wbjSL)
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22 RMBS, I’ve broken in the upper range for us. All good. Except for the ticks.
Posted by: RI Red
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Spectracide's Triazicide yard crystals that I use for lawns spread with a fertilizer spreader will take care of ticks, etc. for a season. Cut down on mosquitoes too. Each bag covers something like 25000 sq ft if you get the 20 lb bag.
Posted by: RI Red
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Spectracide's Triazicide yard crystals that I use for lawns spread with a fertilizer spreader will take care of ticks, etc. for a season. Cut down on mosquitoes too. Each bag covers something like 25000 sq ft if you get the 20 lb bag.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:15 PM (ctrM5)
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Yes. Keep up the good work, PI.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:14 PM
Seriously...it's almost black fly season.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:14 PM
Seriously...it's almost black fly season.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 07:16 PM (Wnv9h)
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Lush green landscapes and plenty of grass to mow. And the pondering of the possibility of getting snake shot.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 04, 2025 07:11 PM (vm8sq)
Saw my first two snakes of the season this week. First one was a big (BIG) one swimming in the creek. The second was a little black snake that Bailey the Wonder Dog decided to mess with. Snake was not pleased, and Bailey got a nip on the nose, which really pissed her off.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 04, 2025 07:11 PM (vm8sq)
Saw my first two snakes of the season this week. First one was a big (BIG) one swimming in the creek. The second was a little black snake that Bailey the Wonder Dog decided to mess with. Snake was not pleased, and Bailey got a nip on the nose, which really pissed her off.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at May 04, 2025 07:17 PM (Hdixl)
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Oh, c'mon! How would they pull the trigger?
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 07:15 PM
Don't underestimate snek!
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 07:15 PM
Don't underestimate snek!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 07:17 PM (Wnv9h)
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30 Since I moved I haven’t been to a range though I have 3x as many to choose from. To be frank I’m kind of bored of just shooting holes in paper.
I’ve got to get out of this shooting rut. I used to do it by buying a new gun but I’m done with that at this point.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 04, 2025 07:13 PM
Are you now near any Morons with some rural property?
For next to nothing, I am working on a gun range at the farm for steel, swinging soda bottles, spinner targets, plus some good ol' paper.
I think a Moron buddy would be happy to have you at his "range" if you helped with the setup work.
I’ve got to get out of this shooting rut. I used to do it by buying a new gun but I’m done with that at this point.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 04, 2025 07:13 PM
Are you now near any Morons with some rural property?
For next to nothing, I am working on a gun range at the farm for steel, swinging soda bottles, spinner targets, plus some good ol' paper.
I think a Moron buddy would be happy to have you at his "range" if you helped with the setup work.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 04, 2025 07:17 PM (HlyYF)
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So, we move on over to the 100 yard range and I take my rifle out and put my nephew on the spotting scope.
I started with a steel target at 100 yards to see how far off the scope is when the bullet hits the berm behind it.
Now for those that have forgotten when I was in Texas in October no one could see my shot hit any of the targets at 100 yards. So I did not even try to shoot at anything further.
So with my nephew behind me, I aim at the steel target and pull the trigger.....BANG!!!! DING!!! A hit.
Hmmmm, pull trigger again..BANG!! DING!!
Ok, let's shoot at the target I set up at 100 yards.
I tell my nephew where I am aiming and pull the trigger.
Shot is 3 inches high and 1.5 inches to the right. Hmm
Adjust and take another shot and I am 2 high 1.5 right.
Look at my scope and the turret is 3 MOA from 0
Turn turret down to 0. Take aim and BULLSEYE!!
Post #2 of maybe 3
I started with a steel target at 100 yards to see how far off the scope is when the bullet hits the berm behind it.
Now for those that have forgotten when I was in Texas in October no one could see my shot hit any of the targets at 100 yards. So I did not even try to shoot at anything further.
So with my nephew behind me, I aim at the steel target and pull the trigger.....BANG!!!! DING!!! A hit.
Hmmmm, pull trigger again..BANG!! DING!!
Ok, let's shoot at the target I set up at 100 yards.
I tell my nephew where I am aiming and pull the trigger.
Shot is 3 inches high and 1.5 inches to the right. Hmm
Adjust and take another shot and I am 2 high 1.5 right.
Look at my scope and the turret is 3 MOA from 0
Turn turret down to 0. Take aim and BULLSEYE!!
Post #2 of maybe 3
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 04, 2025 07:17 PM (0XVad)
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Diogenes, great review and wisdom on enjoying sensory experiences.
Have not yet tried a Gloria Cubana, of course it's on the list to sample. Probably was down the list initially as most of their offerings seem to be towards the strong side.
And you are absolutely correct - or at least I have the same experience - about "lemons" among known favorites or at least cigars that we have tried and liked before. Just had this happen with one myself.
I try (though often fail, partially) to give new buys a few weeks in the tupperdor to rest before burning. If I got a 5-pack or something, and the first one is a loser, I definitely give the others more time. Either the time needed for resting, or the "bad stick" phenomenon, seems to have explained most of my bad experiences in the past.
One exception: My Father New Wave connecticuts. 5-pack of coronas. Spaced out consumption over 2 months, possibly longer. Just bitter losers I didn't finish. Coulda been a "lemon" 5-pack I guess. Anyway, surprised, somewhat tempted to try a single again if I come across one.
Have not yet tried a Gloria Cubana, of course it's on the list to sample. Probably was down the list initially as most of their offerings seem to be towards the strong side.
And you are absolutely correct - or at least I have the same experience - about "lemons" among known favorites or at least cigars that we have tried and liked before. Just had this happen with one myself.
I try (though often fail, partially) to give new buys a few weeks in the tupperdor to rest before burning. If I got a 5-pack or something, and the first one is a loser, I definitely give the others more time. Either the time needed for resting, or the "bad stick" phenomenon, seems to have explained most of my bad experiences in the past.
One exception: My Father New Wave connecticuts. 5-pack of coronas. Spaced out consumption over 2 months, possibly longer. Just bitter losers I didn't finish. Coulda been a "lemon" 5-pack I guess. Anyway, surprised, somewhat tempted to try a single again if I come across one.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:17 PM (1m82a)
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Correction, RMBS. Up here it is already Black Fly Season.
So, dryer sheets hanging from hats for the Black Flies, and Triazicide in shotgun shells for the ticks.
So, dryer sheets hanging from hats for the Black Flies, and Triazicide in shotgun shells for the ticks.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:19 PM (QKFOU)
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32 {Competency is} what is at risk when you go to the range once every six months or year and call it good.
This was one of the things that bothered me so very much in the Air Force. It's true that we weren't a ground force, but plenty of AF personnel were going to get engaged on the ground in some sorts of fights. And yet, except for the SPs, almost nobody actually got to fire personal weapons except for the once a year qualification. It was twice a year if you were forward deployed, or in certain jobs (like living with the Army as their advisor). It sure as heck made a mockery of "Warrior Days" and those sorts of things, IMHO.
Posted by: GWB
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Brass seems to worry more about accidental/negligent discharges more than training troops for combat. AF is particularly bad at neglecting firearms training if you are not a SP or base cops when I was in many moons ago.
This was one of the things that bothered me so very much in the Air Force. It's true that we weren't a ground force, but plenty of AF personnel were going to get engaged on the ground in some sorts of fights. And yet, except for the SPs, almost nobody actually got to fire personal weapons except for the once a year qualification. It was twice a year if you were forward deployed, or in certain jobs (like living with the Army as their advisor). It sure as heck made a mockery of "Warrior Days" and those sorts of things, IMHO.
Posted by: GWB
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Brass seems to worry more about accidental/negligent discharges more than training troops for combat. AF is particularly bad at neglecting firearms training if you are not a SP or base cops when I was in many moons ago.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:19 PM (ctrM5)
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Correction, RMBS. Up here it is already Black Fly Season.
So, dryer sheets hanging from hats for the Black Flies, and Triazicide in shotgun shells for the ticks.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:19 PM
On it!
So, dryer sheets hanging from hats for the Black Flies, and Triazicide in shotgun shells for the ticks.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:19 PM
On it!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 07:20 PM (Wnv9h)
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Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel!
Shot at a 1000 today, 20 in round steel with a gusty low going thru. 9 mil left hold give or take. Was pretty fun!
Shot at a 1000 today, 20 in round steel with a gusty low going thru. 9 mil left hold give or take. Was pretty fun!
Posted by: DBCooper at May 04, 2025 07:20 PM (y1Mvi)
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Hello, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 07:20 PM (AiJK3)
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Scoobs, all I know is that we will sight in on the lower range before going up top. No wasting ammo until then!
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:21 PM (QKFOU)
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So, dryer sheets hanging from hats for the Black Flies, and Triazicide in shotgun shells for the ticks.
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That's one way to spread it.
Posted by: RI Red
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That's one way to spread it.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:21 PM (ctrM5)
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Brass seems to worry more about accidental/negligent discharges more than training troops for combat. AF is particularly bad at neglecting firearms training if you are not a SP or base cops when I was in many moons ago.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:19 PM (ctrM5)
When I was in RHS, one of the perks was hitting the range once a year, and the expectation that officers would shoot rifles. The rest of the AF? Not so much.
But the silver lining was that for my first gun I bought an M9. Later I bought an M18. All to practice with on my own.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:19 PM (ctrM5)
When I was in RHS, one of the perks was hitting the range once a year, and the expectation that officers would shoot rifles. The rest of the AF? Not so much.
But the silver lining was that for my first gun I bought an M9. Later I bought an M18. All to practice with on my own.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 04, 2025 07:22 PM (vm8sq)
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Good evening Weasel. Nice thread.
Posted by: Rancherbob at May 04, 2025 07:22 PM (aUhSf)
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Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 04, 2025 07:17 PM (HlyYF)
Thanks. I haven’t researched all the outdoor ranges near me but I too was thinking steel targets, spinning targets , etc would be good plus where they allow movement and drawing from holster.
Not sure they exist and would need to be on someone’s private property with a range like you indicated.
Thanks. I haven’t researched all the outdoor ranges near me but I too was thinking steel targets, spinning targets , etc would be good plus where they allow movement and drawing from holster.
Not sure they exist and would need to be on someone’s private property with a range like you indicated.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 04, 2025 07:22 PM (VofaG)
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33 I can shoot 8 mosquitos with a single shot from my .22 rifle, does that mean I am an excellent shot with exquisite eyesight, or does that mean the mosquitos were really thick?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
Means you are ready to take them on en masse with a 50 BMG rifle. Just pretend you are defending Dien Bien Phu and the mosquitoes are dirty Viet Cong.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
Means you are ready to take them on en masse with a 50 BMG rifle. Just pretend you are defending Dien Bien Phu and the mosquitoes are dirty Viet Cong.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:23 PM (ctrM5)
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Shot the 1911 in the action handgun match yesterday. Did fine considering amount of practice (umm, well below the Weasel-Recommended Average Frequency or WRAF) with that platform recently.
Pro tip: when cleaning the slide and reassembling it, be sure to reinstall the slide stop fully through the slide. If you don't quite push it in all the way, the pistol will function, except slide will not hold back on empty.
This bedeviled me the first 4 stages of the match. "Click" - confusion - rack to check. I'm not too wrapped around the axle about my time or relative score, but I like a run to be smooth and accurate. This problem above threw me off my rhythm over and over. Snot accurately enough, and last 2 stages much smoother when pistol finally fully re-assembled properly.
McFly!!
Pro tip: when cleaning the slide and reassembling it, be sure to reinstall the slide stop fully through the slide. If you don't quite push it in all the way, the pistol will function, except slide will not hold back on empty.
This bedeviled me the first 4 stages of the match. "Click" - confusion - rack to check. I'm not too wrapped around the axle about my time or relative score, but I like a run to be smooth and accurate. This problem above threw me off my rhythm over and over. Snot accurately enough, and last 2 stages much smoother when pistol finally fully re-assembled properly.
McFly!!
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:23 PM (1m82a)
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Shoulda been "SHOT accurately enough", ahemm.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:24 PM (1m82a)
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Scoobs, all I know is that we will sight in on the lower range before going up top. No wasting ammo until then!
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:21 PM
Sounds good. I think my buddy will need the dedicated zeroing time. I'll bring an extra chrono, too.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:21 PM
Sounds good. I think my buddy will need the dedicated zeroing time. I'll bring an extra chrono, too.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 07:24 PM (Wnv9h)
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Howdy!
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at May 04, 2025 07:25 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 07:25 PM (Wnv9h)
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But the silver lining was that for my first gun I bought an M9. Later I bought an M18. All to practice with on my own.
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I was in when the switch from revolvers to M9's was on. I missed the old clapped out Model 15 Smith and Wesson six shooters. They fit my hand a lot better than the Beretta did.
Have a Model 15 today but in a 5 inch barrel.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33
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I was in when the switch from revolvers to M9's was on. I missed the old clapped out Model 15 Smith and Wesson six shooters. They fit my hand a lot better than the Beretta did.
Have a Model 15 today but in a 5 inch barrel.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:26 PM (ctrM5)
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Brass seems to worry more about accidental/negligent discharges more than training troops for combat. AF is particularly bad at neglecting firearms training if you are not a SP or base cops when I was in many moons ago.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:19 PM (ctrM5)
And so they spend millions picking another highly technical handgun instead of just going with the point and shoot glock . One with no accidental discharges unless you pull the heavy stock trigger ‘accidentally’ .
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:19 PM (ctrM5)
And so they spend millions picking another highly technical handgun instead of just going with the point and shoot glock . One with no accidental discharges unless you pull the heavy stock trigger ‘accidentally’ .
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 04, 2025 07:26 PM (VofaG)
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for USCCA guy...
You're not administratively handling your gun on a range?! Are you teleporting your gun to the lane? Are you not pausing between shots to discuss with your lane buddy what you're doing with your stance and trigger pull?
Hoo boy, there's a LOT of administrative handling going on at the ranges where I've shot. That's why there's rules about your gun being in a rug or case when it goes to the line. And why the range officer will knock you cold if you turn around with the gun in your hand while discussing your trigger pull.
And, of course, the most infamous "administrative handling" regarding defensive use of handguns? Re-holstering. Especially if you didn't have to fire in self-defense. It's so bad there are channels on youTube devoted to cops holstering their guns badly.
You're not administratively handling your gun on a range?! Are you teleporting your gun to the lane? Are you not pausing between shots to discuss with your lane buddy what you're doing with your stance and trigger pull?
Hoo boy, there's a LOT of administrative handling going on at the ranges where I've shot. That's why there's rules about your gun being in a rug or case when it goes to the line. And why the range officer will knock you cold if you turn around with the gun in your hand while discussing your trigger pull.
And, of course, the most infamous "administrative handling" regarding defensive use of handguns? Re-holstering. Especially if you didn't have to fire in self-defense. It's so bad there are channels on youTube devoted to cops holstering their guns badly.
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 07:27 PM (wbjSL)
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...continued
Take another shot and another bullseye.
What the world is going on?
I tell my nephew I am changing to another section of the target to see what grouping I can get.
Took 5 shots and 4 of the shots were all sub MOA from center of target with the 5th shot being about 1/4 inch above the other 4.
What in the world happened down in Texas? Do I blame the shooter? Do I blame the range? Do I blame whoever was spotting for me?
I have no idea, all I know is the rifle was on.
After that we sighted in my nephews .308 and then had fun shooting his AR.
Ended the day at the handgun range where I shot my 1911 and a couple of my nephews pistols.
Fun was had by all.
Take another shot and another bullseye.
What the world is going on?
I tell my nephew I am changing to another section of the target to see what grouping I can get.
Took 5 shots and 4 of the shots were all sub MOA from center of target with the 5th shot being about 1/4 inch above the other 4.
What in the world happened down in Texas? Do I blame the shooter? Do I blame the range? Do I blame whoever was spotting for me?
I have no idea, all I know is the rifle was on.
After that we sighted in my nephews .308 and then had fun shooting his AR.
Ended the day at the handgun range where I shot my 1911 and a couple of my nephews pistols.
Fun was had by all.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 04, 2025 07:27 PM (0XVad)
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I have a shockwave in 20ga with a Crimson Trace laser saddle.
I upgraded the front sight and safety.
It's a lot of fun to shoot.
Got mine not long after they came out.
Saw what they were asking for them a couple years ago. Yow! Prices had almost doubled.
Get a used one and save yourself some money.
I upgraded the front sight and safety.
It's a lot of fun to shoot.
Got mine not long after they came out.
Saw what they were asking for them a couple years ago. Yow! Prices had almost doubled.
Get a used one and save yourself some money.
Posted by: Erebus- Ex Killer Whale at May 04, 2025 07:29 PM (elaR+)
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A striking sighting this past week. Coming back from somewhere, spotted a new billboard along a nearby freeway. Caught my eye because it was a white background, profile (in black) of a semi-auto pistol.
An ad for a Canik pistol. In CA. In fact, it said something like "the Canik Something-Something, now available in CA!". Almost drove off the road.
First, a billboard to advertise a gun. Unusual. Second, a brand never available here before ("handgun roster" problem) now being sold. I haven't checked in on the legal status of the roster (a ridiculous law that should have been struck down years ago on multiple grounds, except America really has no judiciary when it comes down to it), though I think it's in extremis, finally, in the courts.
Anyway. Not in the market to buy, but gather from chatter over the years that Canik makes decent stuff for a good price (sort of a Citadel/Taurus, but Turkish instead of Filipino or Brazilian).
An ad for a Canik pistol. In CA. In fact, it said something like "the Canik Something-Something, now available in CA!". Almost drove off the road.
First, a billboard to advertise a gun. Unusual. Second, a brand never available here before ("handgun roster" problem) now being sold. I haven't checked in on the legal status of the roster (a ridiculous law that should have been struck down years ago on multiple grounds, except America really has no judiciary when it comes down to it), though I think it's in extremis, finally, in the courts.
Anyway. Not in the market to buy, but gather from chatter over the years that Canik makes decent stuff for a good price (sort of a Citadel/Taurus, but Turkish instead of Filipino or Brazilian).
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:30 PM (1m82a)
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Posted by: Erebus- Ex Killer Whale at May 04, 2025 07:29 PM (elaR+)
I consider that the top home defense gun.
I consider that the top home defense gun.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 04, 2025 07:30 PM (VofaG)
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No range report this week. I was all aquiver with anticipation to baptize the new S&W Model 1854 Stealth Hunter on a trip down to the farm, but Bailey the Wonder Dog had to have surgery on her foot Wednesday to remove a wood splinter embedded in it. I wouldn't have been able to keep the wound clean down on the farm, so we had to forego the trip. Of course, as I noted above, she's now feeling good enough to mess with random snakes. We'll go get some range time after the vet checks her out next week. I hope.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at May 04, 2025 07:31 PM (Hdixl)
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and last 2 stages much smoother when pistol finally fully re-assembled properly.
McFly!!
Posted by: rhomboid
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Could happen to anyone and does quite frequently as Murphy does have a way of enforcing his law.
McFly!!
Posted by: rhomboid
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Could happen to anyone and does quite frequently as Murphy does have a way of enforcing his law.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:31 PM (ctrM5)
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Whig, follow up from last week. After multiple shots through my AR 10 (so, quite hot), I had one failure to feed (would not go into battery until I pushed real hard), then would not fire (hammer not set), then required “tapping” on the charging handle to eject round.
Round appeared quite scorched, but after disassembly, the powder and bullet were fine, and the case was the same size as a freshly sized case, and both plunked into the go no go tool.
I bore scoped, totally cleaned and found nothing. Shot at the range today with no malfunctions.
Thoughts? Just hot expanded chamber?
Round appeared quite scorched, but after disassembly, the powder and bullet were fine, and the case was the same size as a freshly sized case, and both plunked into the go no go tool.
I bore scoped, totally cleaned and found nothing. Shot at the range today with no malfunctions.
Thoughts? Just hot expanded chamber?
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:31 PM (QKFOU)
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Manhunt in Space? Is this about Mars needing men, again?
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 07:33 PM (wbjSL)
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50 Good evening Weasel. Nice thread.
Posted by: Rancherbob at May 04, 2025 07:22 PM (aUhSf)
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Howdy Rancherbob! Howdy all y'all!
Posted by: Rancherbob at May 04, 2025 07:22 PM (aUhSf)
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Howdy Rancherbob! Howdy all y'all!
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 07:33 PM (yZSOm)
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Sounds good. I think my buddy will need the dedicated zeroing time. I'll bring an extra chrono, too.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 07:24 PM (Wnv9h)
RMBS, I’ll bring my super magnificent Garmin chrono, too. It’s the bee’s knees.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 07:24 PM (Wnv9h)
RMBS, I’ll bring my super magnificent Garmin chrono, too. It’s the bee’s knees.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:34 PM (QKFOU)
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Hi all!
Posted by: Iris at May 04, 2025 07:34 PM (bOJ2I)
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Spudboy, is it small enough to comfortably conceal?
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:12 PM (QKFOU)
It is service pistol size, like a 1911. With an IWB holster and a baggy enough shirt it would be okay.
At 23 ounces unloaded it is light enough to carry all day.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:12 PM (QKFOU)
It is service pistol size, like a 1911. With an IWB holster and a baggy enough shirt it would be okay.
At 23 ounces unloaded it is light enough to carry all day.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 04, 2025 07:34 PM (yko4N)
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Article about an Army officer who is not a fan of the new XM7 battle rifle.
Haven't read it. Will. Sounds interesting.
Haven't read it. Will. Sounds interesting.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:34 PM (1m82a)
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And so they spend millions picking another highly technical handgun instead of just going with the point and shoot glock . One with no accidental discharges unless you pull the heavy stock trigger ‘accidentally’ .
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
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Pretty much. Small arms development has been problematic since WWII in general for the military. They figured with nukes on the battlefield, why bother and then discovered fighting dirty little brush wars why good small arms and firearms training should be important, much more so than teaching privates not to marry strippers, and such.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
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Pretty much. Small arms development has been problematic since WWII in general for the military. They figured with nukes on the battlefield, why bother and then discovered fighting dirty little brush wars why good small arms and firearms training should be important, much more so than teaching privates not to marry strippers, and such.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:37 PM (ctrM5)
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Range trip this week was to zero my newly SBR-ed H&K MR 556A4. I mounted an Aimpoint CompM4S on it (no iron sight backups, yet). I zeroed it at 20 yards (max for my indoor range). Biggest problem for me is that the 11" barrel threw off a big muzzle flash with about every other shot when using cheap M193 55 grain ammo. I'm
pretty sure the muzzle blast was a lot greater than normal for a 16" or 20" barrel, too. Question: Is there a better choice of ammo for an AR platform with an 11" barrel when it comes to reducing the muzzle blast and flash? The rifle is definitely capable of meeting the H&K guarantee of 1 MOA accuracy (I shot a few rounds that went through mostly the same hole), but I know that the muzzle flash was throwing off my concentration.
pretty sure the muzzle blast was a lot greater than normal for a 16" or 20" barrel, too. Question: Is there a better choice of ammo for an AR platform with an 11" barrel when it comes to reducing the muzzle blast and flash? The rifle is definitely capable of meeting the H&K guarantee of 1 MOA accuracy (I shot a few rounds that went through mostly the same hole), but I know that the muzzle flash was throwing off my concentration.
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 07:38 PM (AiJK3)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 07:39 PM (Wnv9h)
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RI Red, your AR-10 episode sounds mysterious. If the case fit in the gauge after disassembly, can't think what happened. Someone here will be smarter than I on this though.
Those Garmin chronos are nifty. Don't have/need one as I'm not a distance shooter/reloader really. But the long-range guys at the range have them. Paired with an electronic target, the efficiency is amazing. They just pull back up on their elbows, when shooting prone, glance right to check their chrono data, left to see their impact point. Compared to the old methods, amazing.
Those Garmin chronos are nifty. Don't have/need one as I'm not a distance shooter/reloader really. But the long-range guys at the range have them. Paired with an electronic target, the efficiency is amazing. They just pull back up on their elbows, when shooting prone, glance right to check their chrono data, left to see their impact point. Compared to the old methods, amazing.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:39 PM (1m82a)
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Article about an Army officer who is not a fan of the new XM7 battle rifle.
Haven't read it. Will. Sounds interesting.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:34 PM (1m82a)
I’ve heard some not so good reviews of the civilian version. Doesn’t it use a three piece non brass ammo?
Haven't read it. Will. Sounds interesting.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:34 PM (1m82a)
I’ve heard some not so good reviews of the civilian version. Doesn’t it use a three piece non brass ammo?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 04, 2025 07:39 PM (VofaG)
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 07:39 PM (yZSOm)
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67 Whig, follow up from last week. After multiple shots through my AR 10 (so, quite hot), I had one failure to feed (would not go into battery until I pushed real hard), then would not fire (hammer not set), then required “tapping” on the charging handle to eject round.
Round appeared quite scorched, but after disassembly, the powder and bullet were fine, and the case was the same size as a freshly sized case, and both plunked into the go no go tool.
I bore scoped, totally cleaned and found nothing. Shot at the range today with no malfunctions.
Thoughts? Just hot expanded chamber?
Posted by: RI Red
That is a bit worrisome. And also coincidentally why full auto fire from an open bolt is less problem prone than semi auto with a closed bolt.
It is possible if you have a match chamber or close to one that fouling could build up enough in the chamber to prevent a round to go fully into battery and it would appear scorched.
Another thought, if you were firing reloads, did you use a small base die for resizing. Brass life is a bit shorter but better function in situations like long chains of fire in a hot chamber.
Round appeared quite scorched, but after disassembly, the powder and bullet were fine, and the case was the same size as a freshly sized case, and both plunked into the go no go tool.
I bore scoped, totally cleaned and found nothing. Shot at the range today with no malfunctions.
Thoughts? Just hot expanded chamber?
Posted by: RI Red
That is a bit worrisome. And also coincidentally why full auto fire from an open bolt is less problem prone than semi auto with a closed bolt.
It is possible if you have a match chamber or close to one that fouling could build up enough in the chamber to prevent a round to go fully into battery and it would appear scorched.
Another thought, if you were firing reloads, did you use a small base die for resizing. Brass life is a bit shorter but better function in situations like long chains of fire in a hot chamber.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:42 PM (ctrM5)
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Gub! Thanks muchly, Weasel. Now...on to the content I go.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 04, 2025 07:42 PM (mH6SG)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 04, 2025 07:42 PM (VofaG)
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OK, just in case CBD is here, but not commenting:
One reason my barrel and chamber were hot is that I had just done hits at 525, 700, 900, 1000, and had just bracketed the 1106 steel.
With .308.
Jest sayin!
BTW, first hits at 1000.
One reason my barrel and chamber were hot is that I had just done hits at 525, 700, 900, 1000, and had just bracketed the 1106 steel.
With .308.
Jest sayin!
BTW, first hits at 1000.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:45 PM (QKFOU)
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"Small arms development has been problematic since WWII in general for the military." - whig
Now take a gander - if you dare - at Navy shipbuilding in the last 20 years. Beyond belief.
And there's last week's cancellation of the M-10 tank project. I have no idea about that one, though it seems to follow the by-now familiar pattern.
Leaving aside the small matter of a vanished industrial base (in many respects), the weapons procurement process in general seems like an emergency.
Now take a gander - if you dare - at Navy shipbuilding in the last 20 years. Beyond belief.
And there's last week's cancellation of the M-10 tank project. I have no idea about that one, though it seems to follow the by-now familiar pattern.
Leaving aside the small matter of a vanished industrial base (in many respects), the weapons procurement process in general seems like an emergency.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:45 PM (1m82a)
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I bore scoped, totally cleaned and found nothing. Shot at the range today with no malfunctions.
Thoughts? Just hot expanded chamber?
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:31 PM (QKFOU)
High primer on a handload? I had a batch of .223 reloads with some high primers. My bolt action would crush them into the chamber, but my AR would get very locked up with them.
Thoughts? Just hot expanded chamber?
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:31 PM (QKFOU)
High primer on a handload? I had a batch of .223 reloads with some high primers. My bolt action would crush them into the chamber, but my AR would get very locked up with them.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 04, 2025 07:46 PM (yko4N)
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RI Red, making bbq shrimp and scallops but I should have finished the thought. If what I hypothesized is true, then when you pulled the cartridge out, the fouling adhered to the case instead of the chamber.
There are some other possibilities but that is my guess.
If shooting reloads or even factory, you might be getting the same problem GIs did in Vietnam with the AR. Ball powder is dirtier than flake, extruded, etc. and so a change of powder might be in order. This is especially true if your ball powder load is not providing optimal burn pressure.
There are some other possibilities but that is my guess.
If shooting reloads or even factory, you might be getting the same problem GIs did in Vietnam with the AR. Ball powder is dirtier than flake, extruded, etc. and so a change of powder might be in order. This is especially true if your ball powder load is not providing optimal burn pressure.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:46 PM (ctrM5)
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Thoughts? Just hot expanded chamber?
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:31 PM (QKFOU)
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Tight socks and an angry range.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:31 PM (QKFOU)
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Tight socks and an angry range.
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 07:47 PM (yZSOm)
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Sebastian I know nothing about the rifle or its ammo (other than it's a 6.something), but will read that article.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:48 PM (1m82a)
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Our weapons procurement follows Churchill's admonishment of the USA.
Americans can always be trusted to do the right thing, once all other possibilities have been exhausted.
Americans can always be trusted to do the right thing, once all other possibilities have been exhausted.
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 07:48 PM (VofaG)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 04, 2025 07:49 PM (t/2Uw)
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EdL I have only heard of reduced-flash powders for civilian self-defense ammo (well, and for 16-inch 50 caliber naval rifles on battleships), unaware of anything similar for ammo you would use in that new rifle.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:49 PM (1m82a)
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Musical Interlude
Here is Leo Moracchioli covering Rebel Yell
I gotta admit...I really enjoyed that.
Here is Leo Moracchioli covering Rebel Yell
I gotta admit...I really enjoyed that.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 04, 2025 07:50 PM (mH6SG)
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Means you are ready to take them on en masse with a 50 BMG rifle. Just pretend you are defending Dien Bien Phu and the mosquitoes are dirty Viet Cong.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:23 PM
Mosquitos are Commies, how could I have missed that?
They are blood sucking parasites that may even kill their hosts if they spread enough disease and despair!
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:23 PM
Mosquitos are Commies, how could I have missed that?
They are blood sucking parasites that may even kill their hosts if they spread enough disease and despair!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 04, 2025 07:50 PM (HlyYF)
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So I think I mentioned here that I'm giving a handgun to my 18 year old grandson who will take it to college this fall. It's a black powder cap and ball six-shooter. He can shoot it at an outdoor state range just south of the campus of Penn State University.
With the gun he will get from me a set of tools and materials for cleaning it, and he'll clean it at the bench at the range, since he cannot have it in student housing. The gun will be stored in his secure locker at the campus police station.
I watched a YouTube video, a guy named Blackie something, showing what he does when camping in the rough for a week or more. He has a rod, a brush tip, and a slotted tip, plus a beer can full of water, top cut off, and an old tee shirt plus a knife for cutting pieces from the rag.
No Ballistal, no gun oil, no spray cans of anything, but he does have some lube in what looks like a small shoeshine wax tin. After everything is clean and wiped, he loads up some rag pieces with the lube and wipes all including the bores and cylinders. I'll equip the boy with a tin of mink oil for this.
What would you do to field-clean one of these 1858 Colt Navy 36 replica black powder revolvers?
With the gun he will get from me a set of tools and materials for cleaning it, and he'll clean it at the bench at the range, since he cannot have it in student housing. The gun will be stored in his secure locker at the campus police station.
I watched a YouTube video, a guy named Blackie something, showing what he does when camping in the rough for a week or more. He has a rod, a brush tip, and a slotted tip, plus a beer can full of water, top cut off, and an old tee shirt plus a knife for cutting pieces from the rag.
No Ballistal, no gun oil, no spray cans of anything, but he does have some lube in what looks like a small shoeshine wax tin. After everything is clean and wiped, he loads up some rag pieces with the lube and wipes all including the bores and cylinders. I'll equip the boy with a tin of mink oil for this.
What would you do to field-clean one of these 1858 Colt Navy 36 replica black powder revolvers?
Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 04, 2025 07:50 PM (KiBMU)
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Article about an Army officer who is not a fan of the new XM7 battle rifle.
Haven't read it. Will. Sounds interesting.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:34 PM (1m82a)
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Found the article and the problems are exactly as one would expect. The physics of the round make it extremely hard on the weapon leading to failure. What the article didn't mention was ammunition used. I know the military at one point was going to go with a training round and a war round, with the training round not being as hot as the war shot. If the rifles were failing as mentioned in the article while using the somewhat lighter training round then that portends real problem in combat when using the much stouter war shot.
Haven't read it. Will. Sounds interesting.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:34 PM (1m82a)
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Found the article and the problems are exactly as one would expect. The physics of the round make it extremely hard on the weapon leading to failure. What the article didn't mention was ammunition used. I know the military at one point was going to go with a training round and a war round, with the training round not being as hot as the war shot. If the rifles were failing as mentioned in the article while using the somewhat lighter training round then that portends real problem in combat when using the much stouter war shot.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 04, 2025 07:51 PM (tT6L1)
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And there's last week's cancellation of the M-10 tank project. I have no idea about that one, though it seems to follow the by-now familiar pattern.
Leaving aside the small matter of a vanished industrial base (in many respects), the weapons procurement process in general seems like an emergency.
Posted by: rhomboid
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Champagne tastes on a beer budget resulting in stretching out procurement a very long time.
And allowing all the providers to consolidated in the military to just a few contractors was also a mistake.
Leaving aside the small matter of a vanished industrial base (in many respects), the weapons procurement process in general seems like an emergency.
Posted by: rhomboid
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Champagne tastes on a beer budget resulting in stretching out procurement a very long time.
And allowing all the providers to consolidated in the military to just a few contractors was also a mistake.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:51 PM (ctrM5)
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Pretty much. Small arms development has been problematic since WWII in general for the military. They figured with nukes on the battlefield, why bother and then discovered fighting dirty little brush wars why good small arms and firearms training should be important, much more so than teaching privates not to marry strippers, and such.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:37 PM (ctrM5)
Big wars, too. Russian "contract-niki" soldiers don't appear to get much, if any, training at all on their AK-74s before going to the front. The AK-74 is a decent rifle, but if the only training these guys get is shooting one or two magazines at the range before their first battle (if they're lucky), it won't matter how good the rifle is.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:37 PM (ctrM5)
Big wars, too. Russian "contract-niki" soldiers don't appear to get much, if any, training at all on their AK-74s before going to the front. The AK-74 is a decent rifle, but if the only training these guys get is shooting one or two magazines at the range before their first battle (if they're lucky), it won't matter how good the rifle is.
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 07:51 PM (AiJK3)
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Guns, when do we need them? Right now.
How many guns do you need? Nunyo freaking business.
How many guns do you need? Nunyo freaking business.
Posted by: Elrond Hubbard at May 04, 2025 07:51 PM (umyLr)
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Hi all.
Sorry I'm late.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 04, 2025 07:49 PM (t/2Uw)
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Good evening, Sharon.
Sorry I'm late.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 04, 2025 07:49 PM (t/2Uw)
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Good evening, Sharon.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 04, 2025 07:51 PM (tT6L1)
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I gotta admit...I really enjoyed that.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 04, 2025 07:50 PM (mH6SG)
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I enjoy the hell out of him. Check out his cover of Sultans of Swing w Mary Spender.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 04, 2025 07:50 PM (mH6SG)
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I enjoy the hell out of him. Check out his cover of Sultans of Swing w Mary Spender.
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 07:52 PM (yZSOm)
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MST3K for the win!
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 04, 2025 07:52 PM (5YmYl)
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Yup, Whig, all hand loads. The die is a Hornady Match grade, but does not specifically say small base, so probably not. And if PSA gave me a match grade chamber, I’m happy!
The bottom quarter of the case near the head was not scorched, so presumably not in tight contact with the chamber.
A mystery to be solved.
The bottom quarter of the case near the head was not scorched, so presumably not in tight contact with the chamber.
A mystery to be solved.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:53 PM (QKFOU)
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I enjoy the hell out of him. Check out his cover of Sultans of Swing w Mary Spender.
Will do, boss. Thanks!
Will do, boss. Thanks!
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 04, 2025 07:53 PM (mH6SG)
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I enjoy the hell out of him. Check out his cover of Sultans of Swing w Mary Spender.
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 07:52 PM (yZSOm)
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They also do a great cover of "Fast Car."
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 07:52 PM (yZSOm)
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They also do a great cover of "Fast Car."
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 04, 2025 07:53 PM (tT6L1)
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If I can shoot 8 mosquitos with a single shot from my .22 rifle, does that mean I am an excellent shot with exquisite eyesight, or does that mean the mosquitos were really thick?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 04, 2025 07:12 PM (HlyYF)
Or, are you a tailor? Or does that require 9 or 10?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 04, 2025 07:12 PM (HlyYF)
Or, are you a tailor? Or does that require 9 or 10?
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 07:53 PM (wbjSL)
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polynikes, I love that Churchill observation. But circumstances or timing sometimes aren't so forgiving.
The great torpedo malfunction scandal at the outset of WWII may well have delayed victory and, by definition, cost many many lives.
Didn't check/don't know, but read multiple places that literally the same personnel involved in the LCS and Zumwalt debacles at NAVSEA are currently part of the Constellation cruiser debacle. Given the time span, probably talking at different points in their career (for the uniforms anyway). In any case, a mess. And again, all of this is apart from the vanished industrial base.
The great torpedo malfunction scandal at the outset of WWII may well have delayed victory and, by definition, cost many many lives.
Didn't check/don't know, but read multiple places that literally the same personnel involved in the LCS and Zumwalt debacles at NAVSEA are currently part of the Constellation cruiser debacle. Given the time span, probably talking at different points in their career (for the uniforms anyway). In any case, a mess. And again, all of this is apart from the vanished industrial base.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:54 PM (1m82a)
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Or, are you a tailor? Or does that require 9 or 10?
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 07:53 PM (wbjSL)
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12 with one blow!
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 07:53 PM (wbjSL)
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12 with one blow!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 04, 2025 07:54 PM (tT6L1)
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Found the article and the problems are exactly as one would expect. The physics of the round make it extremely hard on the weapon leading to failure. What the article didn't mention was ammunition used. I know the military at one point was going to go with a training round and a war round, with the training round not being as hot as the war shot. If the rifles were failing as mentioned in the article while using the somewhat lighter training round then that portends real problem in combat when using the much stouter war shot.
Posted by: blake
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The premise for the cartridge was to go through anticipated Chinese battle armor which was not the best criteria to use for a general issue rifle.
Note, that assumption includes what Vizzini considers one of the classic blunders in the world. A land war in Asia.
Posted by: blake
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The premise for the cartridge was to go through anticipated Chinese battle armor which was not the best criteria to use for a general issue rifle.
Note, that assumption includes what Vizzini considers one of the classic blunders in the world. A land war in Asia.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:55 PM (ctrM5)
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Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 04, 2025 07:51 PM (tT6L1)
Soldiers will carry 70 less rounds with 3lbs more weight as well as the rifle weighing a few pounds more than the M4 .
Soldiers will carry 70 less rounds with 3lbs more weight as well as the rifle weighing a few pounds more than the M4 .
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 07:55 PM (VofaG)
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Had a ND once. Once. No adverse consequences but it scared the crap outta me. Not to mention the embarrassment and sense of shame. Never, ever again.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 04, 2025 07:56 PM (mH6SG)
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Off topic:
I think our biggest local mosquito predator are small bats.
I was browsing Craigslist the other day and someone was selling bat shelters.
I am not going to spend money on cute ones like he was making, but sure would consider making some for the farm and the house in town out of scrap wood.
Anyone made any habitat for bats and managed to increase their numbers?
I think our biggest local mosquito predator are small bats.
I was browsing Craigslist the other day and someone was selling bat shelters.
I am not going to spend money on cute ones like he was making, but sure would consider making some for the farm and the house in town out of scrap wood.
Anyone made any habitat for bats and managed to increase their numbers?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 04, 2025 07:57 PM (HlyYF)
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Saw an ad on the internet for these progressive glasses that claimed all kinds of stuff about blue light etc. Don't need them but it got me thinking. What if I had a pair of shooting glasses made that restored the close vision in my dominent eye while leaving the upper part clear for my distance vision. I struggled last week until I brought the target in to 5 yds and my mid range vision kicked in. I have to wear safety glasses anyways and it would be worth whatever it cost as I would use it whenever I shoot. Has anyone shot with progressive lenses?
I see the optomoetrist on the 12th to see whther I need reading glasses so I could ask her about this.
I see the optomoetrist on the 12th to see whther I need reading glasses so I could ask her about this.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 04, 2025 07:57 PM (t/2Uw)
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The thing which really annoys me about the XM7 debacle is there are plenty of companies already producing some stout AR platforms which can handle a high pressure round.
But no, let's start from scratch rather than investigate any offerings by companies already in the biz.
But no, let's start from scratch rather than investigate any offerings by companies already in the biz.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 04, 2025 07:58 PM (tT6L1)
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And there's last week's cancellation of the M-10 tank project. I have no idea about that one, though it seems to follow the by-now familiar pattern.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:45 PM (1m82a)
Damn - I had no idea that they cancelled the M10! I managed to get a look at one being evaluated at Ft. Bragg not too long ago. Seemed like a good piece of gear. I was hoping the Marine Corps might adopt it to recoup at least a little of the armor capability that they have pissed away in the last few years.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:45 PM (1m82a)
Damn - I had no idea that they cancelled the M10! I managed to get a look at one being evaluated at Ft. Bragg not too long ago. Seemed like a good piece of gear. I was hoping the Marine Corps might adopt it to recoup at least a little of the armor capability that they have pissed away in the last few years.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at May 04, 2025 07:58 PM (Hdixl)
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Tight socks and an angry range.
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 07:47 PM (yZSOm)
Probably as good a diagnosis as any.
But it’s missing something about range babes.
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 07:47 PM (yZSOm)
Probably as good a diagnosis as any.
But it’s missing something about range babes.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 07:58 PM (QKFOU)
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I got some training last week in 1911 gunsmithing. Now I'm very keyed up about the whole thing and buying files and other tools. Also I promptly detail stripped a 1911 I had at home, and lost the plunger spring in my carpet somewhere. So I have to wait for a part in the mail before I can put it back together.
Posted by: Splunge at May 04, 2025 07:59 PM (ju/6W)
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102 Yup, Whig, all hand loads. The die is a Hornady Match grade, but does not specifically say small base, so probably not. And if PSA gave me a match grade chamber, I’m happy!
The bottom quarter of the case near the head was not scorched, so presumably not in tight contact with the chamber.
A mystery to be solved.
Posted by: RI Red
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Very possible you have a tight chamber which makes them more prone to stoppage issues when hot and dirty.
A chamber cast would tell you exactly but those are a minor pain in the ass to do if you use Wood's metal to do it. Easier on an AR design than a bolt action though.
The bottom quarter of the case near the head was not scorched, so presumably not in tight contact with the chamber.
A mystery to be solved.
Posted by: RI Red
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Very possible you have a tight chamber which makes them more prone to stoppage issues when hot and dirty.
A chamber cast would tell you exactly but those are a minor pain in the ass to do if you use Wood's metal to do it. Easier on an AR design than a bolt action though.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 08:00 PM (ctrM5)
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Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:54 PM (1m82
I was thinking of the Army procurement turning down the machine gun, the tank suspension and sloped armor. Both which our adversaries bought. Up to the LCS and the F-35 while stopping production on the F-22 and destroying all the manufacturing machinery.
I was thinking of the Army procurement turning down the machine gun, the tank suspension and sloped armor. Both which our adversaries bought. Up to the LCS and the F-35 while stopping production on the F-22 and destroying all the manufacturing machinery.
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 08:00 PM (VofaG)
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Another great cure for ticks on the firing line is to move a chicken herd up there for a couple days. Eggs are a bonus, and nothing makes a better egg than a bug diet.
Posted by: Gosport at May 04, 2025 08:00 PM (7PUnr)
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I can imagine what they plan on replacing the A-10 with.
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 08:00 PM (VofaG)
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116 I got some training last week in 1911 gunsmithing. Now I'm very keyed up about the whole thing and buying files and other tools. Also I promptly detail stripped a 1911 I had at home, and lost the plunger spring in my carpet somewhere. So I have to wait for a part in the mail before I can put it back together.
Posted by: Splunge
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Magnetic pickup tools with the 2-3 inch head helps with lost springs and such.
Posted by: Splunge
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Magnetic pickup tools with the 2-3 inch head helps with lost springs and such.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 08:00 PM (ctrM5)
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Note, that assumption includes what Vizzini considers one of the classic blunders in the world. A land war in Asia.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:55 PM (ctrM5)
If what I am seeing about paradigm shifts and drone warfare is true, then magic caliber bullets are not the answer.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:55 PM (ctrM5)
If what I am seeing about paradigm shifts and drone warfare is true, then magic caliber bullets are not the answer.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 08:01 PM (QKFOU)
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121 Magnetic pickup tools with the 2-3 inch head helps with lost springs and such.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 08:00 PM (ctrM5)
Good point. I'll order one of those. I've already ordered a magnetic parts bowl, so this doesn't happen again.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 08:00 PM (ctrM5)
Good point. I'll order one of those. I've already ordered a magnetic parts bowl, so this doesn't happen again.
Posted by: Splunge at May 04, 2025 08:02 PM (ju/6W)
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Posted by: Splunge at May 04, 2025 07:59 PM (ju/6W)
You and a million other guys at one time or another.
You and a million other guys at one time or another.
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 08:02 PM (VofaG)
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And there's last week's cancellation of the M-10 tank project. I have no idea about that one, though it seems to follow the by-now familiar pattern.
Leaving aside the small matter of a vanished industrial base (in many respects), the weapons procurement process in general seems like an emergency.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:45 PM (1m82a)
I think the M10 got cancelled because it became a lot less relevant after 24 February 2022. As currently equipped, it just doesn't have the armor to take the hits FPV drones can dish out. Neither does it have the spare volume to pack in jammers, point defense weapons, or anything else to stop massed drone attacks. Aa is, it's already tipping the scales at 38 tons - almost ten tons heavier than an M4 Sherman and just two tons less than the M26 Pershing. It's at the margins for transport via C-130, and there are never enough C-17s to move the big stuff around. I'm surprised it took this long for DOD to pull the plug.
Leaving aside the small matter of a vanished industrial base (in many respects), the weapons procurement process in general seems like an emergency.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:45 PM (1m82a)
I think the M10 got cancelled because it became a lot less relevant after 24 February 2022. As currently equipped, it just doesn't have the armor to take the hits FPV drones can dish out. Neither does it have the spare volume to pack in jammers, point defense weapons, or anything else to stop massed drone attacks. Aa is, it's already tipping the scales at 38 tons - almost ten tons heavier than an M4 Sherman and just two tons less than the M26 Pershing. It's at the margins for transport via C-130, and there are never enough C-17s to move the big stuff around. I'm surprised it took this long for DOD to pull the plug.
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 08:02 PM (AiJK3)
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Yoo-hoo peeps! I'm at the keyboard ready to send out NoVaMoMe info to anyone who wants it. I believe I have replied to everyone that has emailed us, but if you didn't get a reply please try again.
Looking forward to seeing all our old friends and meeting new ones. If you're a lurker, you are more than welcome to attend - we have many each year and sometimes we even convince them to start posting! One even ended up as a co-blogger! So you never know what blessings life may have in store for you when you attend a MoMe.
I can also proudly say that since Weasel and I have been doing this, we haven't had one arrest, at least that we know of.
Hit me up at the email in my nic or in Weasel's post above!
Looking forward to seeing all our old friends and meeting new ones. If you're a lurker, you are more than welcome to attend - we have many each year and sometimes we even convince them to start posting! One even ended up as a co-blogger! So you never know what blessings life may have in store for you when you attend a MoMe.
I can also proudly say that since Weasel and I have been doing this, we haven't had one arrest, at least that we know of.
Hit me up at the email in my nic or in Weasel's post above!
Posted by: bluebell at May 04, 2025 08:04 PM (79pEw)
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chamber cast would tell you exactly but those are a minor pain in the ass to do if you use Wood's metal to do it. Easier on an AR design than a bolt action though.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 08:00 PM (ctrM5)
I’ve done a chamber cast on my S&W FPC, which showed me the short leade problem.
I still have the material, so I think I’ll just check.
And then give CBD grief about my AR 10 with the match grade chamber!
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 08:00 PM (ctrM5)
I’ve done a chamber cast on my S&W FPC, which showed me the short leade problem.
I still have the material, so I think I’ll just check.
And then give CBD grief about my AR 10 with the match grade chamber!
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 08:04 PM (QKFOU)
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Evening, gun thread folks! Nothing on that front for me to report, but the gophers are beginning to emerge.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 04, 2025 08:05 PM (y9KyA)
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Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 08:02 PM (AiJK3)
It's what they do. It should have never been started in the first place. All the negative aspects you pointed out were well known to be an issue for future battle spaces.
It's what they do. It should have never been started in the first place. All the negative aspects you pointed out were well known to be an issue for future battle spaces.
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 08:05 PM (VofaG)
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Hi all.
Sorry I'm late.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 04, 2025 07:49 PM
Evenin', Sharon.
Sorry I'm late.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 04, 2025 07:49 PM
Evenin', Sharon.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 08:07 PM (Wnv9h)
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Damn - I had no idea that they cancelled the M10! I managed to get a look at one being evaluated at Ft. Bragg not too long ago. Seemed like a good piece of gear. I was hoping the Marine Corps might adopt it to recoup at least a little of the armor capability that they have pissed away in the last few years.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
Saw an article on it.
Basically it was too heavy and there now only one cargo plane that can carry it.
To make matters worse, said plane can now only carry one when the original plan was several per plane.
Apparently there was also only 2 or 3 bridges out of 10 or 11 at the base (I think) that could hold the 42 ton M10.
In other words, a clusterfuck.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
Saw an article on it.
Basically it was too heavy and there now only one cargo plane that can carry it.
To make matters worse, said plane can now only carry one when the original plan was several per plane.
Apparently there was also only 2 or 3 bridges out of 10 or 11 at the base (I think) that could hold the 42 ton M10.
In other words, a clusterfuck.
Posted by: Erebus- Ex Killer Whale at May 04, 2025 08:07 PM (elaR+)
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You always hear stories of farmers shooting chicken thieves with rock salt. How dangerous is that? In stories, you always get the feeling it was meant to wing them, not kill. But that’s fiction, and you’re probably begging for trouble in these fallen times. Does anyone know the realities about this practice?
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 04, 2025 08:08 PM (6nn2F)
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Tight socks and an angry range.
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 07:47 PM
The range was angry that day, my friends...
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 07:47 PM
The range was angry that day, my friends...
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 08:09 PM (Wnv9h)
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bluebell and Weasel, thank you for once again hosting such a special event.
Thank you to Mark Andrew Edwards and nurse for the PNW meet up also.
Thank you to Mark Andrew Edwards and nurse for the PNW meet up also.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 04, 2025 08:09 PM (xQ7b2)
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Saw an ad on the internet for these progressive glasses that claimed all kinds of stuff about blue light etc. Don't need them but it got me thinking. What if I had a pair of shooting glasses made that restored the close vision in my dominent eye while leaving the upper part clear for my distance vision. I struggled last week until I brought the target in to 5 yds and my mid range vision kicked in. I have to wear safety glasses anyways and it would be worth whatever it cost as I would use it whenever I shoot. Has anyone shot with progressive lenses?
I see the optomoetrist on the 12th to see whther I need reading glasses so I could ask her about this.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 04, 2025 07:57 PM (t/2Uw)
Keep in mind that your head and eye placement for a rifle may differ greatly from that for a handgun. With a rifle, I found myself using the upper part of my glasses to look through the sights/optics, especially if you have to get your eyeball really close to the glass (eye relief). That's less of a case when I use handguns.
I see the optomoetrist on the 12th to see whther I need reading glasses so I could ask her about this.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 04, 2025 07:57 PM (t/2Uw)
Keep in mind that your head and eye placement for a rifle may differ greatly from that for a handgun. With a rifle, I found myself using the upper part of my glasses to look through the sights/optics, especially if you have to get your eyeball really close to the glass (eye relief). That's less of a case when I use handguns.
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 08:09 PM (AiJK3)
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Leaving aside the small matter of a vanished industrial base (in many respects), the weapons procurement process in general seems like an emergency.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:45 PM (1m82a)
One thing that should be in the requirements for ANY weapon the military procures is it should be manufacturable without special gear - a typewriter company should be able to produce a firearm, any of the auto manufacturers should be able to produce a tank (heck, they ought to be able to produce most of an aircraft, too), etc. Ships are harder, naturally, but it oughtn't take a massively specialized industry to do a lot of it. The technologists, of course, always say otherwise.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 07:45 PM (1m82a)
One thing that should be in the requirements for ANY weapon the military procures is it should be manufacturable without special gear - a typewriter company should be able to produce a firearm, any of the auto manufacturers should be able to produce a tank (heck, they ought to be able to produce most of an aircraft, too), etc. Ships are harder, naturally, but it oughtn't take a massively specialized industry to do a lot of it. The technologists, of course, always say otherwise.
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 08:09 PM (wbjSL)
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EdL - I'd read the obesity (weight) problem was bad, as you say, and one of the original prime factors (airlift suitable) had been left behind. But it seems like the Drone Revolution came along as the kill shot for a program already well down a familiar, bad path.
polynikes - unless I imagined it, I thought I saw Trump himself with a post about the A-10 replacement - which was basically some kind of version of an F-15. Which I don't immediately understand - unless the mission is being altered (which is not crazy, given all the ongoing developments).
polynikes - unless I imagined it, I thought I saw Trump himself with a post about the A-10 replacement - which was basically some kind of version of an F-15. Which I don't immediately understand - unless the mission is being altered (which is not crazy, given all the ongoing developments).
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 08:10 PM (1m82a)
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I enjoy the hell out of him. Check out his cover of Sultans of Swing w Mary Spender.
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 07:52 PM
Awesome!
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 07:52 PM
Awesome!
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 04, 2025 08:12 PM (mH6SG)
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Sharon, I’d wait until your corrections set in. A lot of it is just getting used to your new eyes.
I briefly used progressive shooting glasses before getting contacts.
Handguns versus rifle iron and rifle scopes will be a choice.
I briefly used progressive shooting glasses before getting contacts.
Handguns versus rifle iron and rifle scopes will be a choice.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 08:13 PM (J+lGi)
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The Navy situation is so bad it's hard to see how some off-the-shelf foreign procurement isn't part of the answer (hello South Korea and Italy). The latest debacle, the Constellation cruiser, in fact *was* an off-shelf project at the start (European design). But .... guess what happened over time?
Sorry for the OT Weasel, will put a cork in it on that subject.
Sorry for the OT Weasel, will put a cork in it on that subject.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 08:13 PM (1m82a)
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And allowing all the providers to consolidated in the military to just a few contractors was also a mistake.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:51 PM (ctrM5)
And, to bring it full circle back to the Gun Thread....
You know that most of the big ammo makers are really just brands under one or two giant holding company? And they use only a handful of facilities (if it isn't just one)?
Does anyone here know what a "single point of failure" is and why it's such an awful thing?
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 07:51 PM (ctrM5)
And, to bring it full circle back to the Gun Thread....
You know that most of the big ammo makers are really just brands under one or two giant holding company? And they use only a handful of facilities (if it isn't just one)?
Does anyone here know what a "single point of failure" is and why it's such an awful thing?
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 08:15 PM (wbjSL)
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Regarding the on-topic topic of cigars, Weasel, anything burning tonight?
I cancelled my appointment with a Rocky Patel Number Six toro when more rain moved in. Rain is a somewhat rare and exotic event here. But it's been the coolest, cloudiest past five months I can ever recall.
I cancelled my appointment with a Rocky Patel Number Six toro when more rain moved in. Rain is a somewhat rare and exotic event here. But it's been the coolest, cloudiest past five months I can ever recall.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 08:15 PM (1m82a)
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I had no problem with the rifle and with the handgun with a dot. I suppose I shouldn't base anything on one trip to the range. I was just disappointed that it wasn't what I expected. Maybe I should work on Fundamentals and see whether changing stance or how far I hold the gun from my body makes a difference. i think my next gun will be a rifle so there's that.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 04, 2025 08:16 PM (t/2Uw)
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It's what they do. It should have never been started in the first place. All the negative aspects you pointed out were well known to be an issue for future battle spaces.
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 08:05 PM (VofaG)
Ironically, one country that might find the M10 useful in its current form is Ukraine. Strip away the strategic deployment requirements the US has, and the M10 might do better in Ukrainian hands than US hands. Ukrainian infrastructure was designed around a load limit of about 50-60 tons, which is well below that of most top line western MBTs sent to Ukraine (72 tons for M1A1, 69 tons for Leopard 2, 74 tons for Challenger 2). The M10's lower weight should allow it to do better off road in the spring and fall mud seasons, too.
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 08:05 PM (VofaG)
Ironically, one country that might find the M10 useful in its current form is Ukraine. Strip away the strategic deployment requirements the US has, and the M10 might do better in Ukrainian hands than US hands. Ukrainian infrastructure was designed around a load limit of about 50-60 tons, which is well below that of most top line western MBTs sent to Ukraine (72 tons for M1A1, 69 tons for Leopard 2, 74 tons for Challenger 2). The M10's lower weight should allow it to do better off road in the spring and fall mud seasons, too.
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 08:18 PM (AiJK3)
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I can also proudly say that since Weasel and I have been doing this, we haven't had one arrest, at least that we know of.
Hit me up at the email in my nic or in Weasel's post above!
Posted by: bluebell at May 04, 2025 08:04 PM (79pEw)
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The already incarcerated are obviously excluded from the above caveat.
Hit me up at the email in my nic or in Weasel's post above!
Posted by: bluebell at May 04, 2025 08:04 PM (79pEw)
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The already incarcerated are obviously excluded from the above caveat.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 04, 2025 08:18 PM (tT6L1)
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And so they spend millions picking another highly technical handgun instead of just going with the point and shoot glock . One with no accidental discharges unless you pull the heavy stock trigger ‘accidentally’ .
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 04, 2025 07:26 PM (VofaG)
Yeah but the problem is that the military really badly wanted a safety. Even Glock tinkered with their 19 to have a traditional safety to meet that demand. (Keep in mind that I am a fan of the G19.). So they went with the M17…oh, wait, the USMC wanted a more compact version for its personnel, especially the embassy guards, so two inches were taken off the front and the M18 was born…
The G19 might have even been rejected at some point for not being compact enough. Either way I think the military got a good gun out of the deal.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 04, 2025 07:26 PM (VofaG)
Yeah but the problem is that the military really badly wanted a safety. Even Glock tinkered with their 19 to have a traditional safety to meet that demand. (Keep in mind that I am a fan of the G19.). So they went with the M17…oh, wait, the USMC wanted a more compact version for its personnel, especially the embassy guards, so two inches were taken off the front and the M18 was born…
The G19 might have even been rejected at some point for not being compact enough. Either way I think the military got a good gun out of the deal.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 04, 2025 08:18 PM (vm8sq)
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RMBS, we may want to start earlier than before. The upper range is getting so popular that we are going to add a bunch of tables and some overhead cover.
So, 7 at the diner, 8 at the 100-300, and 9 at the 1100.?
BTW, I am now the range groundskeeper. I will have a sign: RANGE CLOSED FOR MOWING.
So, 7 at the diner, 8 at the 100-300, and 9 at the 1100.?
BTW, I am now the range groundskeeper. I will have a sign: RANGE CLOSED FOR MOWING.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 08:19 PM (J+lGi)
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Good, if late, Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a quick greeting to our host Weasel.
No shooting this week, but I did fall flat on my arse playing kickball with the youth group at my church, so I will claim combat pay for the month.
No shooting this week, but I did fall flat on my arse playing kickball with the youth group at my church, so I will claim combat pay for the month.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 04, 2025 08:20 PM (v23vE)
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Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 08:15 PM (1m82a)
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One of my first projects post-retirement is going to be reworking my cigar humidors and storage.
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One of my first projects post-retirement is going to be reworking my cigar humidors and storage.
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 08:21 PM (yZSOm)
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Magnetic pickup tools with the 2-3 inch head helps with lost springs and such.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 08:00 PM (ctrM5)
Which can be improvised with a bit of string and just about any magnet powerful enough to hold a calendar to a fridge. Advantage there is you can gently swing it over the carpet and move in a search pattern to find the spring.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 08:00 PM (ctrM5)
Which can be improvised with a bit of string and just about any magnet powerful enough to hold a calendar to a fridge. Advantage there is you can gently swing it over the carpet and move in a search pattern to find the spring.
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 08:21 PM (wbjSL)
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GWB the concentration in a very capital-intensive activity like ammunition manufacturing is sort of natural. At least seems so to me. There has been some expansion of capacity in the last decade (civilian side).
Meanwhile, I have finally at least made a slow start on reviving my own ammo production after a long hiatus (had a lot in the cans, wasn't shooting a lot).
And on that note, last week I checked ammoseek.com and was pleased to see primer prices (using small pistol as sort of the West Texas Intermediate benchmark price) were almost back to pre-panic levels. Powder seems $$$, just based on a few (HP38, TAC) I use. Of course dinner at a decent but casual restaurant now seems to cost about 2-3X what it did 5 years ago, so there we are.
Meanwhile, I have finally at least made a slow start on reviving my own ammo production after a long hiatus (had a lot in the cans, wasn't shooting a lot).
And on that note, last week I checked ammoseek.com and was pleased to see primer prices (using small pistol as sort of the West Texas Intermediate benchmark price) were almost back to pre-panic levels. Powder seems $$$, just based on a few (HP38, TAC) I use. Of course dinner at a decent but casual restaurant now seems to cost about 2-3X what it did 5 years ago, so there we are.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 08:21 PM (1m82a)
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One of my first projects post-retirement is going to be reworking my cigar humidors and storage.
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 08:21 PM (yZSOm)
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What kind of humidor do you have? Classic wood with a nice brass humidity meter inset?
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 08:21 PM (yZSOm)
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What kind of humidor do you have? Classic wood with a nice brass humidity meter inset?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 04, 2025 08:22 PM (tT6L1)
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..... Has anyone shot with progressive lenses?
I see the optomoetrist on the 12th to see whther I need reading glasses so I could ask her about this.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 04, 2025 07:57 PM (t/2Uw)
Call Decot Hy-Wyd sport glasses and let them talk you through your shooting requirements. Measure the distance between your eye and the front sight post(s) of your rifle/pistol. Tell your optometrist what you are looking to do and to prescribe for those measurements. I ordered from Decot because I figured it's worth paying pros to do it right the first time rather than hoping spec savers in the strip mall gets it right.
I see the optomoetrist on the 12th to see whther I need reading glasses so I could ask her about this.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 04, 2025 07:57 PM (t/2Uw)
Call Decot Hy-Wyd sport glasses and let them talk you through your shooting requirements. Measure the distance between your eye and the front sight post(s) of your rifle/pistol. Tell your optometrist what you are looking to do and to prescribe for those measurements. I ordered from Decot because I figured it's worth paying pros to do it right the first time rather than hoping spec savers in the strip mall gets it right.
Posted by: Gosport at May 04, 2025 08:22 PM (7PUnr)
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RI Red, trying to be patient but that is something I have never been good at. Still have two more weeks of eye drops.
Bluebell, email sent.
Bluebell, email sent.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 04, 2025 08:23 PM (t/2Uw)
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What kind of humidor do you have? Classic wood with a nice brass humidity meter inset?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 04, 2025 08:22 PM (tT6L1)
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Everything from nice cedar humidors to plastic tubs!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 04, 2025 08:22 PM (tT6L1)
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Everything from nice cedar humidors to plastic tubs!
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 08:23 PM (yZSOm)
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One of my first projects post-retirement is going to be reworking my cigar humidors and storage.
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 08:21 PM (yZSOm
That just doesn't coordinate with your 5 minute meal requirement. I can see you smoking a fine cigar with a glass of brandy while eating
spaghetti o's😀
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 08:21 PM (yZSOm
That just doesn't coordinate with your 5 minute meal requirement. I can see you smoking a fine cigar with a glass of brandy while eating
spaghetti o's😀
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 08:24 PM (VofaG)
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I don't mean to brag, but my humidor is a 30 year old Coleman cooler with one broken hinge.
Posted by: Splunge at May 04, 2025 08:25 PM (ju/6W)
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No shooting this week, but I did fall flat on my arse playing kickball with the youth group at my church, so I will claim combat pay for the month.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 04, 2025 08:20 PM (v23vE)
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I smashed the ever-loving poo out of my thumb yesterday with an extension ladder, so *fistbump*
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 04, 2025 08:20 PM (v23vE)
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I smashed the ever-loving poo out of my thumb yesterday with an extension ladder, so *fistbump*
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 08:26 PM (yZSOm)
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RMBS, we may want to start earlier than before. The upper range is getting so popular that we are going to add a bunch of tables and some overhead cover.
So, 7 at the diner, 8 at the 100-300, and 9 at the 1100.?
BTW, I am now the range groundskeeper. I will have a sign: RANGE CLOSED FOR MOWING.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 08:19 PM
Works for me.
So, 7 at the diner, 8 at the 100-300, and 9 at the 1100.?
BTW, I am now the range groundskeeper. I will have a sign: RANGE CLOSED FOR MOWING.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 08:19 PM
Works for me.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 08:26 PM (Wnv9h)
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Also: I discovered that there is such a thing as adding too much cedar to a humidor. Fortunately, the excessive cedar taste does come out of the cigars after a while.
Posted by: Splunge at May 04, 2025 08:26 PM (ju/6W)
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Weasel what do you use for storage?
I am an all-tupperware guy. 69% Bovedas, Spanish cedar blocks and sheets, good quality tupperware-like containers (kept in drawers, so no light exposure). Oh and I "recharge" the Bovedas, haven't bought one in years (and they keep coming now in online orders, so I have a surplus).
I really like the versatility, simplicity, effectiveness, and low cost of this approach, vs. a real humidor like the electric ones. Boveda sells heavy-duty ziplocks, which are my "spillover" and temporary storage option.
I am an all-tupperware guy. 69% Bovedas, Spanish cedar blocks and sheets, good quality tupperware-like containers (kept in drawers, so no light exposure). Oh and I "recharge" the Bovedas, haven't bought one in years (and they keep coming now in online orders, so I have a surplus).
I really like the versatility, simplicity, effectiveness, and low cost of this approach, vs. a real humidor like the electric ones. Boveda sells heavy-duty ziplocks, which are my "spillover" and temporary storage option.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 08:26 PM (1m82a)
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Sharon, once you get into rifles, we may have an opening up north!
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 08:26 PM (J+lGi)
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Well to my mind the big four are; stance, grip, sight alignment and trigger yanking. ………
Concur.
Concur.
Posted by: J. Toobin at May 04, 2025 08:27 PM (0sNs1)
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Guns, when do we need them? Right now.
How many guns do you need? Nunyo freaking business.
Posted by: Elrond Hubbard
No gun nut here.
Just one each with suffice.
How many guns do you need? Nunyo freaking business.
Posted by: Elrond Hubbard
No gun nut here.
Just one each with suffice.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 04, 2025 08:27 PM (/lPRQ)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 04, 2025 08:28 PM (tT6L1)
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Which can be improvised with a bit of string and just about any magnet powerful enough to hold a calendar to a fridge. Advantage there is you can gently swing it over the carpet and move in a search pattern to find the spring.
Posted by: GWB
You are more coordinated than I am. I use a car/mechanics pickup tool with an adjustable handle from 18 inches to 34-36. Looks like I am searching for mines when I use it. Also have one of the big 24 inch magnetic pickup tool on wheels because flats are expensive and I have had a lot of work done on the house over the years including re-roofing.
Posted by: GWB
You are more coordinated than I am. I use a car/mechanics pickup tool with an adjustable handle from 18 inches to 34-36. Looks like I am searching for mines when I use it. Also have one of the big 24 inch magnetic pickup tool on wheels because flats are expensive and I have had a lot of work done on the house over the years including re-roofing.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 08:29 PM (ctrM5)
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Sharon, once you get into rifles, we may have an opening up north!
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 08:26 PM
This needs to happen.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 08:26 PM
This needs to happen.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 08:29 PM (Wnv9h)
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Winky likes the gay night life!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 04, 2025 08:30 PM (63Dwl)
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6 And first...... :-)
Range report this week
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 04, 2025 07:01 PM (0XVad)
Well done, Scoob!
Range report this week
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 04, 2025 07:01 PM (0XVad)
Well done, Scoob!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 04, 2025 08:30 PM (v23vE)
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No gun nut here.
Just one each with suffice.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 04, 2025 08:27 PM (/lPRQ)
Define "each"....
Just one each with suffice.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 04, 2025 08:27 PM (/lPRQ)
Define "each"....
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 08:31 PM (wbjSL)
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157 I don't mean to brag, but my humidor is a 30 year old Coleman cooler with one broken hinge.
Posted by: Splunge
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Better than any that I would have. Course, the fact that I am allergic to tobacco and tobacco smoke and have never smoked might have something to do with it.
Posted by: Splunge
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Better than any that I would have. Course, the fact that I am allergic to tobacco and tobacco smoke and have never smoked might have something to do with it.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 08:31 PM (ctrM5)
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I thought of buying and storing cartons of cigarettes in my prepper cache for trading purposes . With perfect storage they are good for about two years so not worth it since I don't smoke.
How long can cigars last. Same for all tobacco products?
How long can cigars last. Same for all tobacco products?
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 08:31 PM (VofaG)
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I don't mean to brag, but my humidor is a 30 year old Coleman cooler with one broken hinge.
Posted by: Splunge at May 04, 2025 08:25 PM (ju/6W)
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They work great!!
Posted by: Splunge at May 04, 2025 08:25 PM (ju/6W)
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They work great!!
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 08:31 PM (yZSOm)
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Anyone made any habitat for bats and managed to increase their numbers?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
Bat House Plans On-Line... [Generic web search will get you many]
Looking to build a couple myself.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
Bat House Plans On-Line... [Generic web search will get you many]
Looking to build a couple myself.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 04, 2025 08:31 PM (/lPRQ)
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RMBS, what was the rifle you had in Texas last year?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 04, 2025 08:31 PM (t/2Uw)
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How long can cigars last. Same for all tobacco products?
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 08:31 PM (VofaG)
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If stored under correct conditions of temperature and humidity, I'd say indefinitely.
How long can cigars last. Same for all tobacco products?
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 08:31 PM (VofaG)
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If stored under correct conditions of temperature and humidity, I'd say indefinitely.
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 08:32 PM (yZSOm)
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With perfect storage they are good for about two years so not worth it since I don't smoke.
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 08:31 PM (VofaG)
Maybe store up loose tobacco and paper, instead. It might be all of the manufacturing (all that stuff they blame for cigarettes being so awful) that causes them to go flop.
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 08:31 PM (VofaG)
Maybe store up loose tobacco and paper, instead. It might be all of the manufacturing (all that stuff they blame for cigarettes being so awful) that causes them to go flop.
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 08:33 PM (wbjSL)
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polynikes - unless I imagined it, I thought I saw Trump himself with a post about the A-10 replacement - which was basically some kind of version of an F-15. Which I don't immediately understand - unless the mission is being altered (which is not crazy, given all the ongoing developments).
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 08:10 PM (1m82a)
I understand that the proposed "A-16" replacement is an F-16 fitted with a 30mm gun pod on the centerline hardpoint. Problem is that this was tried in Operation Desert Storm by the 174th TFW (NYANG). They ditched the 30mm gun pods after the first week because 1) the F-16As didn't have the electronics to aim them properly, 2) the recoil limited the burst size, 3) F-16s moved too fast to engage ground targets effectively, and 4) F-16s didn't have the loiter time A-10s did to keep pounding the targets over and over again.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 08:10 PM (1m82a)
I understand that the proposed "A-16" replacement is an F-16 fitted with a 30mm gun pod on the centerline hardpoint. Problem is that this was tried in Operation Desert Storm by the 174th TFW (NYANG). They ditched the 30mm gun pods after the first week because 1) the F-16As didn't have the electronics to aim them properly, 2) the recoil limited the burst size, 3) F-16s moved too fast to engage ground targets effectively, and 4) F-16s didn't have the loiter time A-10s did to keep pounding the targets over and over again.
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 08:35 PM (AiJK3)
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Yeah, "coolidors" are a thing. Anything that maintains temperature and humidity at desired levels will work.
polynikes, premium cigars are just cured, dried, aged tobacco leaf, with tiny amounts of burmicol (vegetable-based glue). That's it (unless you're talking flavored).
As with wine, quality over time (assuming proper storage) will vary quite a bit. Most cigars are made with tobacco at least 3 years old, and have spent 2-4 months more while being made and then stored in "wicking rooms" before shipment. Properly stored, cigars will last a long time, depending on what you're talking about - initial quality and style, and flavor preservation. As with wines, a small % of cigars will improve with age.
polynikes, premium cigars are just cured, dried, aged tobacco leaf, with tiny amounts of burmicol (vegetable-based glue). That's it (unless you're talking flavored).
As with wine, quality over time (assuming proper storage) will vary quite a bit. Most cigars are made with tobacco at least 3 years old, and have spent 2-4 months more while being made and then stored in "wicking rooms" before shipment. Properly stored, cigars will last a long time, depending on what you're talking about - initial quality and style, and flavor preservation. As with wines, a small % of cigars will improve with age.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 08:35 PM (1m82a)
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Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 08:26 PM (1m82a)
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A little bit of everything from Pelican cases to airtight feed containers. I have little Bluetooth temp and humidity probes in each one. For humidity control bovedas and gel bead gizmos.
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A little bit of everything from Pelican cases to airtight feed containers. I have little Bluetooth temp and humidity probes in each one. For humidity control bovedas and gel bead gizmos.
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 08:36 PM (yZSOm)
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Time to go. Thanks for the thread as always, Weasel. See y'all next week.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at May 04, 2025 08:36 PM (Hdixl)
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I see the optomoetrist on the 12th to see whther I need reading glasses so I could ask her about this.
Reading glasses are cheap: I buy a half dozen in my prescription in one box in a variety of reasonably fashionable styles for about $12 from that online retailer that’s named for the river. They’re plastic but good seeing. They break after a few months, but you just get another from the box. I’m currently on my second box. After my second cataract surgery my distance vision tested out initially at 20/10 which was amazing! Alas, it did not last; a year later I tested out at 20/25 which was disappointing but still legal to drive, even at night. I was offered the option of bifocals that would correct my distance vision to 20/20, and give my +2 diopter correction in the lower lune. Sounds good, but you’re talking prescription glasses with prices in the hundreds of dollars range, not the $2 range of my current readers. I thought about it, and I’m not hurting for money (my BIL does this with his glasses, but he is still working in an office - he’s an architect - and he needs to see plans then look at the work site on occasion, in rapid succession), but I declined.
Reading glasses are cheap: I buy a half dozen in my prescription in one box in a variety of reasonably fashionable styles for about $12 from that online retailer that’s named for the river. They’re plastic but good seeing. They break after a few months, but you just get another from the box. I’m currently on my second box. After my second cataract surgery my distance vision tested out initially at 20/10 which was amazing! Alas, it did not last; a year later I tested out at 20/25 which was disappointing but still legal to drive, even at night. I was offered the option of bifocals that would correct my distance vision to 20/20, and give my +2 diopter correction in the lower lune. Sounds good, but you’re talking prescription glasses with prices in the hundreds of dollars range, not the $2 range of my current readers. I thought about it, and I’m not hurting for money (my BIL does this with his glasses, but he is still working in an office - he’s an architect - and he needs to see plans then look at the work site on occasion, in rapid succession), but I declined.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 04, 2025 08:38 PM (6nn2F)
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I am calling it a night too. Hope everyone has an excellent remainder of the evening. Thanks Weasel for having us here every week and riding herd.
Posted by: whig at May 04, 2025 08:38 PM (ctrM5)
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EdL I really should go look it up but the graphic along with the presidential statement showed/stated "F-15" variant. Which as I said I don't quite get, for many reasons including the ones you noted WRT the F-16.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 08:38 PM (1m82a)
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Thanks for the cigar education. Seems the opposite of cigarettes.
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 08:38 PM (VofaG)
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Do I need to enter a different ballistic coefficient than what is published?
I have a Nikon Monarch scope, which is a Ballistic Drop Compensator type. I use a chronograph to get the velocity of my loads. I average a minimum sample of 15 shots. I have pretty good consistency of muzzle velocity, and a bullet for which ballistic coefficient is published to 3 digits. I use Nikon's SpotOn app on my phone to generate a rectical / yardage plot. Out to 400 yards, the drop is exactly as predicted, but beyond, the drop is far more than predicted. At 600 yards I am off the paper, and at 700, off of the board. Left/right variation at those ranges is still just an inch or two, so I know I am holding well enough. Should I just enter a lower Ballistic coefficint than is published for the bullet and press on with life? Or send my chronograph in for callibration? Or beat my head against the wall harder?
Any advice, no matter how fringe, I will be grateful for because I need to get my thinking out of the box.
I have a Nikon Monarch scope, which is a Ballistic Drop Compensator type. I use a chronograph to get the velocity of my loads. I average a minimum sample of 15 shots. I have pretty good consistency of muzzle velocity, and a bullet for which ballistic coefficient is published to 3 digits. I use Nikon's SpotOn app on my phone to generate a rectical / yardage plot. Out to 400 yards, the drop is exactly as predicted, but beyond, the drop is far more than predicted. At 600 yards I am off the paper, and at 700, off of the board. Left/right variation at those ranges is still just an inch or two, so I know I am holding well enough. Should I just enter a lower Ballistic coefficint than is published for the bullet and press on with life? Or send my chronograph in for callibration? Or beat my head against the wall harder?
Any advice, no matter how fringe, I will be grateful for because I need to get my thinking out of the box.
Posted by: Igotnothing at May 04, 2025 08:40 PM (LTRHw)
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Weasel, sounds good. I have just one lonely digital hygrometer, that I usually keep in my biggest tupperdor. Though lately I've been keeping it in my "dry box", a Rocky Patel box where I put a stick 1-2 days before burning to reduce humidification a bit. I'm sort of standardized on 69% now, though I keep seeing/hearing about people switching to 65% and liking it (better flavor performance). So I'll probably stick with 69%, and just dry-box when I remember.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 08:42 PM (1m82a)
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182 TLDR -
It depends how much you want the bifocals. If you do, get them, but you’re paying prescription shop prices, not dollar store prices. If you’re rich as Croesus no problem!
It depends how much you want the bifocals. If you do, get them, but you’re paying prescription shop prices, not dollar store prices. If you’re rich as Croesus no problem!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 04, 2025 08:42 PM (6nn2F)
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Bluebell, e-mail sent your way.
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 08:42 PM (AiJK3)
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Posted by: Igotnothing at May 04, 2025 08:40 PM (LTRHw)
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Why don't you drop me a line at the gun thread mail address.
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 08:42 PM (yZSOm)
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Shockwave has been on my radar for a while. No real reason/excuse - just have not yet made the purchase. Thanks for the video and thread, Weasel.
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I'm around 68-69% for most, and low 70s for Cubans .
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I'm around 68-69% for most, and low 70s for Cubans .
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 08:45 PM (yZSOm)
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184 EdL I really should go look it up but the graphic along with the presidential statement showed/stated "F-15" variant.
Rhomboid, I think what you saw was the 127th Wing of the MI ANG switching from the A-10 to the F-15EX. PDT was at Selfridge ANGB for the announcement. So, just a single unit, not a fleet wide replacement.
Rhomboid, I think what you saw was the 127th Wing of the MI ANG switching from the A-10 to the F-15EX. PDT was at Selfridge ANGB for the announcement. So, just a single unit, not a fleet wide replacement.
Posted by: Retief at May 04, 2025 08:45 PM (NnMEx)
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polynikes premium cigars are very simple, my impression is commercial cigarettes have lots 'o chemicals added.
One cigar maker called one of their releases "organic" (their agriculture satisfied USDA requirements), but they stopped when the Nanny State Knights of Nii grumbled about it. Hilarious really. Because those cigars were every bit as organic as the priciest tomato at Whole Paychecks.
One cigar maker called one of their releases "organic" (their agriculture satisfied USDA requirements), but they stopped when the Nanny State Knights of Nii grumbled about it. Hilarious really. Because those cigars were every bit as organic as the priciest tomato at Whole Paychecks.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 08:46 PM (1m82a)
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Retief, thanks! That was it. Well this means that the F-15EX is seen as an A-10 replacement at least to some extent, right?
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 08:47 PM (1m82a)
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The cheap readers don;t work because I had Toric surgery (I paid extra)which corrected the astigmatism as well as the cataracts. One eye is distance, my dominant right eye, the left is midrange for computer and Ipad. If I need readers, they will be different prescription for each eye so I will need real half glasses for very close. The problem I had sighting was I could either see the target or the sight on the gun but not both. With Ed's help i worked it out somewhat but what reeally helped was bringing the target closer so my midrange eye worked. My vision is insanely better so I have no complaints. I really need a few more sessions at the range.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 04, 2025 08:49 PM (t/2Uw)
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Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea!
Late. Went to see Accountant 2 w/ sra blaster
Good gun pr0n!
Late. Went to see Accountant 2 w/ sra blaster
Good gun pr0n!
Posted by: blaster at May 04, 2025 08:51 PM (Pk9/s)
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I bristle when I hear the term "gun nut".
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 04, 2025 08:53 PM (mH6SG)
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Yep Weasel Cubans generally are said to be best in low 70s%, higher than "new world" (love that) sticks.
Those of us without lucrative organic tree farms rarely get actual Cubans.
Back last fall I sort of accidentally bought some while trying to pick up some mild sticks for a couple of the women on the boat we chartered in the Leewards. They said they wanted to try a cigar, got the mildest ones I could find in the store in St Barts. Cigar intro session never happened. Forgot they were Cubans, no issue as there was really no customs process on return to FL.
Used to pick up Cubans all the time on work travel, from duty free shops (or the UN commissary in Rome, great prices) back in the day. Gifted most to a BIL and one work acquaintance whose name all here would know.
Those of us without lucrative organic tree farms rarely get actual Cubans.
Back last fall I sort of accidentally bought some while trying to pick up some mild sticks for a couple of the women on the boat we chartered in the Leewards. They said they wanted to try a cigar, got the mildest ones I could find in the store in St Barts. Cigar intro session never happened. Forgot they were Cubans, no issue as there was really no customs process on return to FL.
Used to pick up Cubans all the time on work travel, from duty free shops (or the UN commissary in Rome, great prices) back in the day. Gifted most to a BIL and one work acquaintance whose name all here would know.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 08:53 PM (1m82a)
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Retief, thanks! That was it. Well this means that the F-15EX is seen as an A-10 replacement at least to some extent, right?
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 08:47 PM (1m82a)
I doubt it. The F-15EX is meant as an AMRAAM missile truck first, strike platform second. Each F-15EX can carry twenty AMRAAMs. That's the same loadout for five F-15Cs in the late 1990s. This works only if you have LOTS of AMRAAMs to shoot at the other guy, though.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 08:47 PM (1m82a)
I doubt it. The F-15EX is meant as an AMRAAM missile truck first, strike platform second. Each F-15EX can carry twenty AMRAAMs. That's the same loadout for five F-15Cs in the late 1990s. This works only if you have LOTS of AMRAAMs to shoot at the other guy, though.
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 08:54 PM (AiJK3)
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Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 08:53 PM (1m82a)
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Cubans have gone nutty price-wise. A brand I was getting for around $150/ box a few years ago are now over $500/box now. They're too valuable to smoke!!!
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Cubans have gone nutty price-wise. A brand I was getting for around $150/ box a few years ago are now over $500/box now. They're too valuable to smoke!!!
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 08:55 PM (yZSOm)
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A-10s are cool, and have proven themselves in combat. I wish they could just keep them going like the B-52. I understand the Air Force just doesn’t like the mission of ground support, as much as flying high and fast to intercept the bad guys in the air, or such like derringer do. So why not let the Army fly them? Inter service rivalry, of course. Some one needs to fly some platform to do the job, I wish the people in charge would come up with a responsible, mature solution and see it through, but it’s the government, even the armed forces are subject to the same shortsidedness, nay, the graft and corruption we’re seeing via DOGE, so I am not holding my breath.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 04, 2025 08:56 PM (6nn2F)
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I bristle when I hear the term "gun nut".
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 04, 2025 08:53 PM (mH6SG)
I preen when I hear the term “gun nut”.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 04, 2025 08:53 PM (mH6SG)
I preen when I hear the term “gun nut”.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 08:56 PM (J+lGi)
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Good guys arming up to fight the bad guys
You want a rifle?
Naw, I'm better with a pistol
Pistol won't get past the armor
I won't be aiming at their chest
You want a rifle?
Naw, I'm better with a pistol
Pistol won't get past the armor
I won't be aiming at their chest
Posted by: Ben Had at May 04, 2025 08:56 PM (xQ7b2)
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Cubans have gone nutty price-wise. A brand I was getting for around $150/ box a few years ago are now over $500/box now. They're too valuable to smoke!!!
lol
lol
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 04, 2025 08:56 PM (mH6SG)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 04, 2025 08:58 PM (mH6SG)
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Harder to get a head shot than center-of-mass, but I did like the humor of the people who say “Shoot ‘‘em in the nuts,”.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 04, 2025 08:59 PM (6nn2F)
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As much as I admire the old Warthog, I think it's now obsolete if it encounters modern air defense systems.
Pointing at the war in Ukraine, for all practical purposes, aircraft don't cross over the front line. The Russians release their FAB glide bombs something like twenty miles behind the front line. Ukrainian F16s are used only to chase missiles and drones, deep in friendly territory.
Attempting to loiter over the battle area, looking for ground targets, would be suicidal.
Pointing at the war in Ukraine, for all practical purposes, aircraft don't cross over the front line. The Russians release their FAB glide bombs something like twenty miles behind the front line. Ukrainian F16s are used only to chase missiles and drones, deep in friendly territory.
Attempting to loiter over the battle area, looking for ground targets, would be suicidal.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 04, 2025 09:00 PM (yko4N)
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Weasel is gonna turn me into a "cigar nut". Heh.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 04, 2025 09:00 PM (mH6SG)
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Weasel think it was 2 years ago Habanos SA decreed price increases based (for whatever reason) on the current price in Hong Kong. Big, big price increase. That's what you're talking about.
I have espied some boxes of Cubans in duty-free the last few years and easily passed. Extremely expensive. And, according to many in the biz, not worth it. Though that's a taste/preference thing.
I have espied some boxes of Cubans in duty-free the last few years and easily passed. Extremely expensive. And, according to many in the biz, not worth it. Though that's a taste/preference thing.
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Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 04, 2025 09:00 PM (mH6SG)
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I'm generally known to be a bad influence!
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I'm generally known to be a bad influence!
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 09:01 PM (yZSOm)
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 09:02 PM (yZSOm)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 04, 2025 09:02 PM (mH6SG)
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EdL come on - don't AMRAAMS, like Standard missiles, grow on trees? Abundant trees found all over the land?
You talk like we have a basic ordnance supply challenge, or something.
You talk like we have a basic ordnance supply challenge, or something.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 04, 2025 09:03 PM (1m82a)
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Shockwave has been on my radar for a while. No real reason/excuse - just have not yet made the purchase. Thanks for the video and thread, Weasel.
Posted by: scampydog at May 04, 2025 08:44 PM (41CYW)
Y'all might remember I bought a Charles Daly version... and it's in a box at the back of the closet because it wouldn't feed, and the company's fix just broke after the first few shots, again. Very disappoint.
So, yeah, I'm still eyeing the real Shockwave - in 12ga (because I have some low recoil rounds, and I bet the shorties would also work in a Mossberg) or maybe 20ga. Along with a handful of other guns that it would be nice to have the money for.
Posted by: scampydog at May 04, 2025 08:44 PM (41CYW)
Y'all might remember I bought a Charles Daly version... and it's in a box at the back of the closet because it wouldn't feed, and the company's fix just broke after the first few shots, again. Very disappoint.
So, yeah, I'm still eyeing the real Shockwave - in 12ga (because I have some low recoil rounds, and I bet the shorties would also work in a Mossberg) or maybe 20ga. Along with a handful of other guns that it would be nice to have the money for.
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 09:03 PM (wbjSL)
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If it’s good guys versus bad guys, why not consider a carbine? It’s relatively light, easier to aim than a handgun, and is a good compromise between a full battle rifle and a pistol. Just some food for thought.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 04, 2025 09:03 PM (6nn2F)
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 09:04 PM (yZSOm)
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And there was bad hurricane damage to crops/facilities in Pinar del Rio, the main Cuban tobacco area, a few years ago. That impact probably would be working its way into the system by now, or soon. Generally tobacco is aged for 3 years before being used.
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Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 04, 2025 09:00 PM (yko4N)
Air defenses are not invulnerable to attack.
Air defenses are not invulnerable to attack.
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Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 04, 2025 08:56 PM (6nn2F)
The USAF won't hand A-10s over to the Army because it would violate the 1948 Key West Agreement - a "gentlemen's agreement" between each of the services about who did what with aircraft. The USAF doesn't really care if the Army operates the A-10 or not. But if the USAF tears up the Key West Agreement, the entire USAF fighting force becomes as vulnerable as the horse cavalry did to tanks because of what could be coming with drones stealing USAF $$ from pilot seats.
The USAF won't hand A-10s over to the Army because it would violate the 1948 Key West Agreement - a "gentlemen's agreement" between each of the services about who did what with aircraft. The USAF doesn't really care if the Army operates the A-10 or not. But if the USAF tears up the Key West Agreement, the entire USAF fighting force becomes as vulnerable as the horse cavalry did to tanks because of what could be coming with drones stealing USAF $$ from pilot seats.
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 09:05 PM (AiJK3)
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Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 09:05 PM (AiJK3
How does the Key West agreement handle helicopters. Does it designate fixed wing?
How does the Key West agreement handle helicopters. Does it designate fixed wing?
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 09:08 PM (VofaG)
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Sra blaster got her birfday gift. Kimber CDS-9.
It's a nice piece of kit.
Can't wait to shoot it.
It's a nice piece of kit.
Can't wait to shoot it.
Posted by: blaster at May 04, 2025 09:09 PM (Pk9/s)
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Attempting to loiter over the battle area, looking for ground targets, would be suicidal.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 04, 2025 09:00 PM (yko4N)
That's because neither the Ukrainians nor the Russians have ever attempted a serious, enduring offensive SEAD/DEAD campaign to take down the other guy's air defense network. The USAF's primary conventional strike mission in the first days of a war is SEAD/DEAD. Just like what happened in Operation Linebacker II and Operation Desert Storm.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 04, 2025 09:00 PM (yko4N)
That's because neither the Ukrainians nor the Russians have ever attempted a serious, enduring offensive SEAD/DEAD campaign to take down the other guy's air defense network. The USAF's primary conventional strike mission in the first days of a war is SEAD/DEAD. Just like what happened in Operation Linebacker II and Operation Desert Storm.
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 09:10 PM (AiJK3)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 04, 2025 09:10 PM (t/2Uw)
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The USAF won't hand A-10s over to the Army because it would violate the 1948 Key West Agreement - a "gentlemen's agreement" between each of the services about who did what with aircraft. The USAF doesn't really care if the Army operates the A-10 or not. But if the USAF tears up the Key West Agreement, the entire USAF fighting force becomes as vulnerable as the horse cavalry did to tanks because of what could be coming with drones stealing USAF $$ from pilot seats.
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 09:05 PM (AiJK3)
Could the President over-rule that agreement, or his Chief of Staff?
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 09:05 PM (AiJK3)
Could the President over-rule that agreement, or his Chief of Staff?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 04, 2025 09:10 PM (bXBL5)
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How does the Key West agreement handle helicopters. Does it designate fixed wing?
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 09:08 PM (VofaG)
The USAF allowed the Army to have helicopters. At the time, helicopters were seen as a liaison or observation aircraft replacing Piper Cub type aircraft used for that purpose in WWII. Only the USAF, USN, and USMC could operate armed fixed wing aircraft. Army fixed wing aircraft could only be minimally armed (OV-10 Bronco, OV-1 Mohawk).
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 09:08 PM (VofaG)
The USAF allowed the Army to have helicopters. At the time, helicopters were seen as a liaison or observation aircraft replacing Piper Cub type aircraft used for that purpose in WWII. Only the USAF, USN, and USMC could operate armed fixed wing aircraft. Army fixed wing aircraft could only be minimally armed (OV-10 Bronco, OV-1 Mohawk).
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 09:14 PM (AiJK3)
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Thanks for all the emails, peeps! Keep 'em coming! We really would love to have you join us at the NoVaMoMe.
Posted by: bluebell at May 04, 2025 09:14 PM (79pEw)
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OK, I'll bite: how is that Mossberg "not a shotgun"? Shoots shotgun shells, has a standard pump-action shotgun mechanism.
Surely the stock along isn't enough to make it "not a shotgun"?
Surely the stock along isn't enough to make it "not a shotgun"?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 04, 2025 09:17 PM (W5ArC)
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The Queen in Manhunt in Space (and Crash of the Moons) is a saucy wench. I knew a girl who looked like her.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at May 04, 2025 09:17 PM (0aYVJ)
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Could the President over-rule that agreement, or his Chief of Staff?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Only a Hawaiian judge has that power.
Could the President over-rule that agreement, or his Chief of Staff?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Only a Hawaiian judge has that power.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 04, 2025 09:17 PM (63Dwl)
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Ed L and polynikes -
Why not codify a one-time exception to the Key West agreement? Put it in writing and get the job done! But I agree, the drones are coming, and the Air Force is not going to be able to stop the changes that are coming. Trying to pretend otherwise is going to lead to something like the Polish horse cavalry facing the Wehrmacht’s tanks. Somebody be the grown-up, please!
Why not codify a one-time exception to the Key West agreement? Put it in writing and get the job done! But I agree, the drones are coming, and the Air Force is not going to be able to stop the changes that are coming. Trying to pretend otherwise is going to lead to something like the Polish horse cavalry facing the Wehrmacht’s tanks. Somebody be the grown-up, please!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 04, 2025 09:18 PM (6nn2F)
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How does the Key West agreement handle helicopters. Does it designate fixed wing?
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 09:08 PM (VofaG)
Rotary wing are left to the ground forces, with support aircraft allowed to the individual services. Exactly the opposite to fixed-wing aircraft.
Could the President over-rule that agreement, or his Chief of Staff?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 04, 2025 09:10 PM (bXBL5)
Definitely not the Chief of Staff - he's nowhere in the chain of command. But the President could.
And it would be dumb, because it would massively increase the procurement fights you now have over building aircraft. Also, grunts being in charge of the air war would be... bad. Trust me on this one. (Yes, actually worse than having fighter pilots running the Air Force.)
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 09:08 PM (VofaG)
Rotary wing are left to the ground forces, with support aircraft allowed to the individual services. Exactly the opposite to fixed-wing aircraft.
Could the President over-rule that agreement, or his Chief of Staff?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 04, 2025 09:10 PM (bXBL5)
Definitely not the Chief of Staff - he's nowhere in the chain of command. But the President could.
And it would be dumb, because it would massively increase the procurement fights you now have over building aircraft. Also, grunts being in charge of the air war would be... bad. Trust me on this one. (Yes, actually worse than having fighter pilots running the Air Force.)
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 09:18 PM (wbjSL)
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May the farth be with you.
Posted by: Lispy at May 04, 2025 09:20 PM (0sNs1)
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Army fixed wing aircraft could only be minimally armed (OV-10 Bronco, OV-1 Mohawk).
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 09:14 PM (AiJK3)
And then the Army wasn't interested in hosting Forward Air Controller aircraft. So those ended up in the Air Force, too.
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 09:14 PM (AiJK3)
And then the Army wasn't interested in hosting Forward Air Controller aircraft. So those ended up in the Air Force, too.
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 09:20 PM (wbjSL)
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OK, I'll bite: how is that Mossberg "not a shotgun"? Shoots shotgun shells, has a standard pump-action shotgun mechanism.
Surely the stock along isn't enough to make it "not a shotgun"?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
Government "logic" in action.
Surely the stock along isn't enough to make it "not a shotgun"?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
Government "logic" in action.
Posted by: Erebus- Ex Killer Whale at May 04, 2025 09:22 PM (elaR+)
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 09:23 PM (yZSOm)
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Could the President over-rule that agreement, or his Chief of Staff?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 04, 2025 09:10 PM (bXBL5)
Theoretically, yes. But more importantly, you'd have to have Congress back up that change by moving $$ around to support the changes (or eliminate funding to those systems that didn't make the cut). Remember, the SECDEF (a USAF partisan) tried to kill the USN's carriers in favor of the B-36 in 1948, depriving the USN and USMC of a reason to operate fixed wing aircraft (in violation of the Key West Agreement), which led to the "Revolt of the Admirals." That caused a huge political mess that downgraded USN readiness in favor of the B-36. But when Korea broke out, the USAF refused to commit its B-36 force because it meant risking the only planes capable of delivering nuclear bombs. That was enough for Truman to can the SECDEF and authorize the Forrestal class carriers.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 04, 2025 09:10 PM (bXBL5)
Theoretically, yes. But more importantly, you'd have to have Congress back up that change by moving $$ around to support the changes (or eliminate funding to those systems that didn't make the cut). Remember, the SECDEF (a USAF partisan) tried to kill the USN's carriers in favor of the B-36 in 1948, depriving the USN and USMC of a reason to operate fixed wing aircraft (in violation of the Key West Agreement), which led to the "Revolt of the Admirals." That caused a huge political mess that downgraded USN readiness in favor of the B-36. But when Korea broke out, the USAF refused to commit its B-36 force because it meant risking the only planes capable of delivering nuclear bombs. That was enough for Truman to can the SECDEF and authorize the Forrestal class carriers.
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 09:23 PM (AiJK3)
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Thanks for hosting the thread, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 09:23 PM (AiJK3)
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Hoe = hope!
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 09:23 PM (yZSOm)
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> 229 OK, I'll bite: how is that Mossberg "not a shotgun"? Shoots shotgun shells, has a standard pump-action shotgun mechanism.
Surely the stock along isn't enough to make it "not a shotgun"?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 04, 2025 09:17 PM (W5ArC)
To answer my own question: not capable of being shoulder-fired, therefore not a "shotgun" according to the ATF. Long enough that it doesn't count as a "short-barreled shotgun" or an "any other weapon". Not a "pistol", either, as it is smoothbore and not designed to be fired with one hand.
Loopholes: gotta love 'em.
Surely the stock along isn't enough to make it "not a shotgun"?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 04, 2025 09:17 PM (W5ArC)
To answer my own question: not capable of being shoulder-fired, therefore not a "shotgun" according to the ATF. Long enough that it doesn't count as a "short-barreled shotgun" or an "any other weapon". Not a "pistol", either, as it is smoothbore and not designed to be fired with one hand.
Loopholes: gotta love 'em.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 04, 2025 09:24 PM (W5ArC)
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Air defenses are not invulnerable to attack.
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 09:05 PM (VofaG)
Some of the most spectacular "ka-boom" videos are when a drone finds an exposed S-300 anti-air missile launcher.
As for suppressing anti-aircraft systems, what happens if you run out of airplanes before the other guy runs out of missiles? I'm sure both sides have crunched the numbers, and didn't like the answer the got.
Posted by: polynikes at May 04, 2025 09:05 PM (VofaG)
Some of the most spectacular "ka-boom" videos are when a drone finds an exposed S-300 anti-air missile launcher.
As for suppressing anti-aircraft systems, what happens if you run out of airplanes before the other guy runs out of missiles? I'm sure both sides have crunched the numbers, and didn't like the answer the got.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 04, 2025 09:24 PM (yko4N)
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 09:24 PM (yZSOm)
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OK, I'll bite: how is that Mossberg "not a shotgun"? Shoots shotgun shells, has a standard pump-action shotgun mechanism.
Surely the stock along isn't enough to make it "not a shotgun"?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 04, 2025 09:17 PM (W5ArC)
The National Firearms Act said something about shotguns being illegal if they were "cut down" (barrel or stock). And it evidently defined a proper shotgun as having a certain barrel length (18"). And then it regulated "short-barreled rifles."
So, someone figured out that if you purposely built a gun under 16" barrel length without a rifled barrel, it didn't qualify as a shotgun, or "cut down" and it obviously wasn't a rifle... so you got the thing-without-a-name. Because gov't regulation said so.
Surely the stock along isn't enough to make it "not a shotgun"?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 04, 2025 09:17 PM (W5ArC)
The National Firearms Act said something about shotguns being illegal if they were "cut down" (barrel or stock). And it evidently defined a proper shotgun as having a certain barrel length (18"). And then it regulated "short-barreled rifles."
So, someone figured out that if you purposely built a gun under 16" barrel length without a rifled barrel, it didn't qualify as a shotgun, or "cut down" and it obviously wasn't a rifle... so you got the thing-without-a-name. Because gov't regulation said so.
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 09:24 PM (wbjSL)
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Thank you,Weasel
Posted by: Ben Had at May 04, 2025 09:24 PM (xQ7b2)
Posted by: Congress at May 04, 2025 09:25 PM (mH6SG)
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Why not codify a one-time exception to the Key West agreement? Put it in writing and get the job done! But I agree, the drones are coming, and the Air Force is not going to be able to stop the changes that are coming. Trying to pretend otherwise is going to lead to something like the Polish horse cavalry facing the Wehrmacht’s tanks. Somebody be the grown-up, please!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 04, 2025 09:18 PM (6nn2F)
You're asking a lot for Congress to behave like the responsible adults in the room. Congress ultimately has to codify the changes in the defense budgets it's supposed to pass annually.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 04, 2025 09:18 PM (6nn2F)
You're asking a lot for Congress to behave like the responsible adults in the room. Congress ultimately has to codify the changes in the defense budgets it's supposed to pass annually.
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 09:26 PM (AiJK3)
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 09:26 PM (yZSOm)
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what happens if you run out of airplanes before the other guy runs out of missiles?
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 04, 2025 09:24 PM (yko4N)
Seems that would be a great use case for drones, or something.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 04, 2025 09:24 PM (yko4N)
Seems that would be a great use case for drones, or something.
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 09:26 PM (wbjSL)
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Yeah the Army is dumb, too. They are all government workers, after all. Hasn’t always been this way, but you can look at a lot of early mistakes by the North in the War Between the States due to the Northern Army leadership being ossified. South made a lot of mistakes too, like fighting in the first place. But their mistakes early on were more hot headedness (firing on Ft. Sumter?) not from ossification.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 04, 2025 09:27 PM (6nn2F)
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Y'all might remember I bought a Charles Daly version... and it's in a box at the back of the closet because it wouldn't feed, and the company's fix just broke after the first few shots, again. Very disappoint.
So, yeah, I'm still eyeing the real Shockwave - in 12ga (because I have some low recoil rounds, and I bet the shorties would also work in a Mossberg) or maybe 20ga. Along with a handful of other guns that it would be nice to have the money for.
Posted by: GWB
The newest Shockwaves are designed to handle the shorties.
Older ones needed an adapter.
So, yeah, I'm still eyeing the real Shockwave - in 12ga (because I have some low recoil rounds, and I bet the shorties would also work in a Mossberg) or maybe 20ga. Along with a handful of other guns that it would be nice to have the money for.
Posted by: GWB
The newest Shockwaves are designed to handle the shorties.
Older ones needed an adapter.
Posted by: Erebus- Ex Killer Whale at May 04, 2025 09:27 PM (elaR+)
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And, with that, I'm out for a bit.
Thanks for the thread, Weasel, and thanks to the commenters for good questions, great answers, and fun.
Thanks for the thread, Weasel, and thanks to the commenters for good questions, great answers, and fun.
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 09:28 PM (wbjSL)
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Also derringer do is derring do, of course. Curse you autocucumber!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 04, 2025 09:28 PM (6nn2F)
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The newest Shockwaves are designed to handle the shorties.
Older ones needed an adapter.
Posted by: Erebus- Ex Killer Whale at May 04, 2025 09:27 PM (elaR+)
I've got the adapter for my regular Mossberg. Sounds like I'm good either way.
Older ones needed an adapter.
Posted by: Erebus- Ex Killer Whale at May 04, 2025 09:27 PM (elaR+)
I've got the adapter for my regular Mossberg. Sounds like I'm good either way.
Posted by: GWB at May 04, 2025 09:29 PM (wbjSL)
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Thx, Weasel.
As always.
As always.
Posted by: RI Red at May 04, 2025 09:31 PM (J+lGi)
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 09:32 PM (yZSOm)
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No gun nut here.
Just one each with suffice.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 04, 2025 08:27 PM (/lPRQ)
Define "each"....
Posted by: GWB at
Class, Make, Model, Caliber... serial number, whatever.
Just one each with suffice.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 04, 2025 08:27 PM (/lPRQ)
Define "each"....
Posted by: GWB at
Class, Make, Model, Caliber... serial number, whatever.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 04, 2025 09:33 PM (/lPRQ)
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As for suppressing anti-aircraft systems, what happens if you run out of airplanes before the other guy runs out of missiles? I'm sure both sides have crunched the numbers, and didn't like the answer the got.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 04, 2025 09:24 PM (yko4N)
Neither the Ukrainians nor the Russians have the planes, electronics, weapons, or the training to do SEAD/DEAD like the USAF does. The Russians did SEAD only in the early days of the war just for key targets (EX: Hostamel airport). They never did train like the USAF did for its "Wild Weasel" mission. The USAF has/had entire squadrons and fighter wings dedicated to the "Wild Weasel" mission to kill air defenses.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 04, 2025 09:24 PM (yko4N)
Neither the Ukrainians nor the Russians have the planes, electronics, weapons, or the training to do SEAD/DEAD like the USAF does. The Russians did SEAD only in the early days of the war just for key targets (EX: Hostamel airport). They never did train like the USAF did for its "Wild Weasel" mission. The USAF has/had entire squadrons and fighter wings dedicated to the "Wild Weasel" mission to kill air defenses.
Posted by: Ed L at May 04, 2025 09:33 PM (AiJK3)
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My Charles Daly shotgun has worked fine for me: no problem feeding. I figure the wrought iron parts will wear out sooner rather than later, but I’m not using it for skeet shooting, just home defense. Won’t go through my walls and enter the house down the way (I live in the country). Handgun nearest to hand is a loaded J-frame S&W revolver in .357 magnum. That will do job, if needed.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 04, 2025 09:37 PM (6nn2F)
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RMBS, what was the rifle you had in Texas last year?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 04, 2025 08:31 PM
Sharon, that's a Winchester Model 70 target in .308.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 04, 2025 08:31 PM
Sharon, that's a Winchester Model 70 target in .308.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 09:39 PM (Wnv9h)
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Once again, another in an unbroken line of excellent Gub! threads. Thanks, Weasel. Hope you have a great week, amigo.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 04, 2025 09:39 PM (mH6SG)
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Punching out. Thanks for another great Gub Thread, Weasel.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 04, 2025 09:40 PM (Wnv9h)
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 09:41 PM (yZSOm)
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I'm a gun nut.
Assembling my 10th Glock as I type.
Assembling my 10th Glock as I type.
Posted by: Erebus- Ex Killer Whale at May 04, 2025 09:44 PM (elaR+)
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 09:44 PM (yZSOm)
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A guy I work with was a Marine, and he was telling us about a really cool range in the area, but he said, the longest lane was only 850 yards. He was a sniper.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at May 04, 2025 09:45 PM (0aYVJ)
Posted by: Otto Pen at May 04, 2025 09:45 PM (sJHOI)
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I will report on the sad state of my range. All those 20 lb suckling pigs have moved off somewhere else. I'm concerned that when they rotate around again they are going to be too big.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 04, 2025 09:45 PM (xQ7b2)
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What comes after gun nut?
Posted by: Weasel at May 04, 2025 09:45 PM (yZSOm)
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Once the Civil War became total war the North was destined to win. But were the South man for man better fighters? I think that is an open question.
Another way to say it is if the South had been equal military to the North; could they have won?
Another way to say it is if the South had been equal military to the North; could they have won?
Posted by: dudley at May 04, 2025 09:45 PM (r2ymA)
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Good God, is the U.S. military a disaster. Just reading some of the recent comments..
The whole damn thing needs a large-scale teardown. It’s far off from its original purpose of defending America. And it’s mostly good at wasting money and completely unprepared for the sort of conflict it is arming up for.
“Let’s base all of our procurement off an obsolete, hypothetical war with Russia. Then proceed to ignore actual truths about warfare in 2025, revealed by our idiotic proxy war with Russia.”
The whole damn thing needs a large-scale teardown. It’s far off from its original purpose of defending America. And it’s mostly good at wasting money and completely unprepared for the sort of conflict it is arming up for.
“Let’s base all of our procurement off an obsolete, hypothetical war with Russia. Then proceed to ignore actual truths about warfare in 2025, revealed by our idiotic proxy war with Russia.”
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at May 04, 2025 09:48 PM (l3YAf)
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O mah gawd ... ! An hour and a half of 'Rocky Jones' ... !? That's cruel and unusable punishment ... ! MST3K is cool, but the little rugcrawler junior is a major PITA. Have we been bad, Weez ... ?
Posted by: Dr_No at May 04, 2025 09:51 PM (ayRl+)
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Another way to say it is if the South had been equal military to the North; could they have won?
Posted by: dudley at May 04, 2025 09:45 PM (r2ymA)
"War is politics by other means"
Would the South have been willing to crush the Northern armies, drive them to the Canadian border, and then occupy the North for ten years? Or, having driven the Northern forces off Southern soil, would the Confederate States have called it good and left the North to try again later?
Posted by: dudley at May 04, 2025 09:45 PM (r2ymA)
"War is politics by other means"
Would the South have been willing to crush the Northern armies, drive them to the Canadian border, and then occupy the North for ten years? Or, having driven the Northern forces off Southern soil, would the Confederate States have called it good and left the North to try again later?
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 04, 2025 09:55 PM (yko4N)
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Yesterday my Hammer Knife mower spun under power for the first time in decades. I repowered it with a 420cc motor that weighs about a third what the Wisconsin does.
It's kind of terrifying. Whirling knives of death. And has some serious rotational inertia.
I can't wait to put it to some tall grass and undergrowth.
It's kind of terrifying. Whirling knives of death. And has some serious rotational inertia.
I can't wait to put it to some tall grass and undergrowth.
Posted by: blaster at May 04, 2025 09:55 PM (QfvaV)
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Yeah, let's throw another trillion-plus at this bloated bureaucracy.
Trump's Pentagon policy leaves alot to be desired.
Trump's Pentagon policy leaves alot to be desired.
Posted by: dudley at May 04, 2025 09:56 PM (r2ymA)
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268 I will report on the sad state of my range. All those 20 lb suckling pigs have moved off somewhere else. I'm concerned that when they rotate around again they are going to be too big.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 04, 2025 09:45 PM (xQ7b2)
Ma'am, respectfully, if the hogs are too big, I'm thinking you need a larger caliber. Just sayin'.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 04, 2025 09:45 PM (xQ7b2)
Ma'am, respectfully, if the hogs are too big, I'm thinking you need a larger caliber. Just sayin'.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 04, 2025 10:04 PM (v23vE)
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Nood!
Bring a hat.
Bring a hat.
Posted by: Elrond Hubbard at May 04, 2025 10:05 PM (VJc7E)
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With the right intervention the South could win handily. Read Harry Turtledove’s “The Guns of the South”. Time-traveling Afrikaners supply Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia with AK-47s and sufficient ammunition to win the war in a rout. The scene of a dejected Lincoln offering surrender terms to Lee was very sad. The interesting point is when the Southerners realize their aims and the time-traveling Afrikaners aren’t one and the same. Turtledove revisits the question of a surviving Confederacy in a later series “Southern Victory”. In this series the difference was the North _not_ finding certain Southern battle plans wrapped around some cigars. Anyway, the Southern victory leads to lot of problems all around circa the time of the Great War. Think about a divided America, with the South siding with Britain and the North siding with Germany (Canada invades the North!). Or how about a communist revolution in the South led by blacks!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 04, 2025 10:06 PM (6nn2F)
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Willowed again! See you in the ONT.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 04, 2025 10:07 PM (6nn2F)
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