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Q1 GDP drops 0.3%, first contraction in 3 years
Mostly because of a huge jump in imports.
I mean...huge. -5% GDP change just because of the imports.The decline was driven by a large surge in imports, which are a subtraction in the calculation of GDP. Imports surged at an annualized rate of 41.3% in the first quarter as companies front-loaded orders ahead of anticipated tariffs from the Trump administration. The surge in imports was good for a -5% contribution to the GDP calculation in the first quarter.Other than that, how were things? Honestly...good.
Final sales of goods to domestic purchasers, another sign of demand in the economy, grew at a 3% annualized rate in the first quarter, above the 2.9% seen in the fourth quarter of 2024.And, remember, this is all happening while inflation is crashing to the point of touching on deflation. From a couple of weeks ago:
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The "core" Personal Consumption Expenditures index, which excludes the volatile food and energy categories, grew by 3.5% in the first quarter, above estimates for 3.2% and above the 2.6% seen in the prior quarter.
U.S. consumer prices fall for first time in almost three years U.S. consumer prices dipped in March, defying predictions that Trump's proposed tariffs would trigger higher inflation. The decline in the Consumer Price Index marks the first monthly drop in nearly three years--and only the second since inflation spiked under former President Biden. Key Details: March's 0.1% decline in overall prices came as a surprise to economists, who had expected a 0.1% increase. Core prices--excluding food and energy--rose by just 0.1%, well below the 0.3% that had been forecast.Which means that consumer spending is increasing...while prices are decreasing. The increase isn't because of inflation. Weird, huh? I can't find mention of government spending in that first Yahoo article, so I searched out and saw this on the actual BEA release:
The decrease in real GDP in the first quarter primarily reflected an increase in imports, which are a subtraction in the calculation of GDP, and a decrease in government spending. These movements were partly offset by increases in investment, consumer spending, and exports. For more information, refer to the "Technical Notes" below.So, essentially...this is kind of exactly what I imagined early Trump, post-Biden would be. A small contraction in the GDP measures while the economy itself actually does okay while waiting for longer-term effects to settle in.
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The decrease in government spending reflected a decrease in federal government spending (led by defense consumption expenditures) that was partly offset by an increase in state and local government spending (led by compensation of employees).
Comments
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BOING!
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at April 30, 2025 12:01 PM (qFAfu)
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IMPEACH!
Posted by: ShainS at April 30, 2025 12:02 PM (80e4h)
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?
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at April 30, 2025 12:03 PM (jh3Gu)
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Tariffs are taxes. Period.
Posted by: A man afraid of the LGBT lobby at April 30, 2025 12:03 PM (WE1WX)
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I'm reading all the financial comments on my X feed and it's all panic and red and disaster!
Hanging on to my stocks.
Hanging on to my stocks.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at April 30, 2025 12:03 PM (qFAfu)
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4 Tariffs are taxes. Period.
Posted by: A man afraid of the LGBT lobby at April 30, 2025 12:03 PM (WE1WX)
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Taxes one can avoid.
Posted by: A man afraid of the LGBT lobby at April 30, 2025 12:03 PM (WE1WX)
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Taxes one can avoid.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:04 PM (GBKbO)
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Tariffs are taxes. Period.
Huh, I'm pretty sure that if 2 goods have different prices, I can choose the lower priced one, yes?
So I can avoid that tax by purchasing things from American companies? Huh.
Huh, I'm pretty sure that if 2 goods have different prices, I can choose the lower priced one, yes?
So I can avoid that tax by purchasing things from American companies? Huh.
Posted by: GMan at April 30, 2025 12:05 PM (R6wN8)
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So I can avoid that tax by purchasing things from American companies? Huh.
Posted by: GMan at April 30, 2025 12:05 PM
Weird, innit?
Posted by: GMan at April 30, 2025 12:05 PM
Weird, innit?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 30, 2025 12:06 PM (QBMHV)
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"Federal government spending shrank at a 5.1 percent rate, the largest decline since pandemic support spending began to wind down in 2022."
Gee, I wonder if that had anything to do with the GDP shrinking.
Gee, I wonder if that had anything to do with the GDP shrinking.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 30, 2025 12:06 PM (e5NfL)
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surprise to economists.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 30, 2025 12:08 PM (oXfCm)
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9 "Federal government spending shrank at a 5.1 percent rate, the largest decline since pandemic support spending began to wind down in 2022."
Gee, I wonder if that had anything to do with the GDP shrinking.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 30, 2025 12:06 PM (e5NfL)
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GDP minus Government probably grew, even with the imports.
Gee, I wonder if that had anything to do with the GDP shrinking.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 30, 2025 12:06 PM (e5NfL)
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GDP minus Government probably grew, even with the imports.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:08 PM (GBKbO)
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The water was cold!
Posted by: GDP at April 30, 2025 12:08 PM (w9Wax)
13
How are things going for Winnie the Xi now?
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 30, 2025 12:08 PM (wWIcc)
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Tariffs are taxes. Period.
Posted by: A man afraid of the LGBT lobby at April 30, 2025 12:03 PM (WE1WX)
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"Lamont, you big dummy!"
Posted by: A man afraid of the LGBT lobby at April 30, 2025 12:03 PM (WE1WX)
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"Lamont, you big dummy!"
Posted by: ShainS at April 30, 2025 12:08 PM (1aiKR)
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Wrong!!! The economy is the worst it’s been in 100 years. Bread lines are stretching to miles long. Children are dying from starvation.
Posted by: MSM at April 30, 2025 12:08 PM (S4ZTs)
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"... came as a surprise to economists..."
"Unexpectedly" and "surprise" meanings have done a 180 degree change since 1/20/25. I wonder what happened??
"Unexpectedly" and "surprise" meanings have done a 180 degree change since 1/20/25. I wonder what happened??
Posted by: uniparty, Raping and Mutilating the Children They do not Kill at April 30, 2025 12:09 PM (gxokI)
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to quote Tom Luongo on the GDP:
GDP is a bullshit statistic, esp. with Government spending added to the final number, a number that can only be positive with deficit spending, otherwise government spending is net extractive of the productive economy.
It's GNS, Gross National Spending. Spending is at best a 2nd derivative of output. It says nothing about the quality of that spending, how much went to future investment, etc. It only aggregates the total amount.
GDP is a bullshit statistic, esp. with Government spending added to the final number, a number that can only be positive with deficit spending, otherwise government spending is net extractive of the productive economy.
It's GNS, Gross National Spending. Spending is at best a 2nd derivative of output. It says nothing about the quality of that spending, how much went to future investment, etc. It only aggregates the total amount.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 30, 2025 12:09 PM (D7oie)
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Weird, innit?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 30, 2025 12:06 PM (QBMHV)
"Weird, WEIRD!" - Rachel Zegler
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 30, 2025 12:06 PM (QBMHV)
"Weird, WEIRD!" - Rachel Zegler
Posted by: Ian S. at April 30, 2025 12:09 PM (QZThv)
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How are things going for Winnie the Xi now?
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 30, 2025 12:08 PM (wWIcc)
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He's experiencing a very bear market ...
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 30, 2025 12:08 PM (wWIcc)
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He's experiencing a very bear market ...
Posted by: ShainS at April 30, 2025 12:10 PM (1aiKR)
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Taxes one can avoid.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:04 PM (GBKbO)
How? I’m not anti-tariff, but there are plenty of things that are imported for which there is insufficient domestic alternative.
I get that the goal is to build up domestic alternatives, which is good. I just dislike spin: Trump is raising taxes, some of which will be unavoidable for consumers, for the purposes of rebalancing global trade. The hope is to offset those tax increases with cuts in other taxes, making it relatively neutral for many Americans.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:04 PM (GBKbO)
How? I’m not anti-tariff, but there are plenty of things that are imported for which there is insufficient domestic alternative.
I get that the goal is to build up domestic alternatives, which is good. I just dislike spin: Trump is raising taxes, some of which will be unavoidable for consumers, for the purposes of rebalancing global trade. The hope is to offset those tax increases with cuts in other taxes, making it relatively neutral for many Americans.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:10 PM (l3YAf)
Posted by: Francis at April 30, 2025 12:10 PM (bbuBP)
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With that government shrinkage how flaccid is the housing market around DC now?
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 30, 2025 12:11 PM (wWIcc)
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How are things going for Winnie the Xi now?
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 30, 2025 12:08 PM (wWIcc)
I doubt he's taking very many forays outside the presidential compound nowadays.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 30, 2025 12:08 PM (wWIcc)
I doubt he's taking very many forays outside the presidential compound nowadays.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 30, 2025 12:11 PM (g8Ew8)
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I will bet my Left Nut the 2nd or 3rd Revision will increase this figure.
I will bet my Left Nut the 2nd or 3rd Revision will increase this figure.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:11 PM (eGPz/)
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It's all smoke and mirrors, slight of hand and hocus pocus, night and fog, unicorn farts of rainbows and skittles. The only economy that counts is my own. I keep my head down and go to work everyday, watch my spending and make sure my bitches are on the track when the bell opens.
I wish my bitches hurry up and get here. I ain't got no time to be sittin inside this cell with all y'all.
I wish my bitches hurry up and get here. I ain't got no time to be sittin inside this cell with all y'all.
Posted by: Billy Ray Valentine at April 30, 2025 12:11 PM (979V4)
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Left; Imports are bad because they lower GDP. Trump is a monster because under his watch imports increased and gdp shrank
Also left: Trump is a monster for wanting to reduce imports because doing so will lower GDP.
Also left: Trump is a monster for wanting to reduce imports because doing so will lower GDP.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 30, 2025 12:11 PM (S4ZTs)
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20 How? I’m not anti-tariff, but there are plenty of things that are imported for which there is insufficient domestic alternative.
I get that the goal is to build up domestic alternatives, which is good. I just dislike spin: Trump is raising taxes, some of which will be unavoidable for consumers, for the purposes of rebalancing global trade. The hope is to offset those tax increases with cuts in other taxes, making it relatively neutral for many Americans.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:10 PM (l3YAf)
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By importers choosing different suppliers from different countries.
Lots of countries sell coffee beans.
I get that the goal is to build up domestic alternatives, which is good. I just dislike spin: Trump is raising taxes, some of which will be unavoidable for consumers, for the purposes of rebalancing global trade. The hope is to offset those tax increases with cuts in other taxes, making it relatively neutral for many Americans.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:10 PM (l3YAf)
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By importers choosing different suppliers from different countries.
Lots of countries sell coffee beans.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:11 PM (GBKbO)
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noooooooooo economy you cant just heccin not crasherino noooooooooooooooooo
Posted by: deepelemblues at April 30, 2025 12:11 PM (z9n5F)
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What does GDP measure?
Posted by: Bull Moose at April 30, 2025 12:12 PM (qZcs8)
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This -.3 will be “corrected” to +.3. Unexpectedly.
Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at April 30, 2025 12:12 PM (L0lnW)
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With that government shrinkage how flaccid is the housing market around DC now?
It's at "Ace in the pool seeing Nancy Pelosi" levels of flaccid.
It's at "Ace in the pool seeing Nancy Pelosi" levels of flaccid.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 30, 2025 12:12 PM (QZThv)
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This is an "Estimate."
And these fuckfaces always have an uncanny knack of underestimating GDP for Republicans and overestimating for Democrats, evidenced by the subsequent Revisions.
This is an "Estimate."
And these fuckfaces always have an uncanny knack of underestimating GDP for Republicans and overestimating for Democrats, evidenced by the subsequent Revisions.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:12 PM (eGPz/)
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Wrong!!! The economy is the worst it’s been in 100 years. Bread lines are stretching to miles long. Children are dying from starvation.
Posted by: MSM at April 30, 2025 12:08 PM (S4ZTs)
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Canada 2028.
Posted by: MSM at April 30, 2025 12:08 PM (S4ZTs)
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Canada 2028.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at April 30, 2025 12:12 PM (qFAfu)
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Tariffs are taxes. Period.
Posted by: A man afraid of the LGBT lobby at April 30, 2025 12:03 PM (WE1WX)
Remember those people who looooved the Fair Tax (tm)?
Tariffs are the fair tax on imports.
Posted by: A man afraid of the LGBT lobby at April 30, 2025 12:03 PM (WE1WX)
Remember those people who looooved the Fair Tax (tm)?
Tariffs are the fair tax on imports.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 30, 2025 12:12 PM (D7oie)
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29 What does GDP measure?
Posted by: Bull Moose at April 30, 2025 12:12 PM (qZcs
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GDP = C + I + G + (X - M)
C (Consumption):
I (Investment):
G (Government Spending):
(X - M) (Net Exports)
Posted by: Bull Moose at April 30, 2025 12:12 PM (qZcs
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GDP = C + I + G + (X - M)
C (Consumption):
I (Investment):
G (Government Spending):
(X - M) (Net Exports)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:13 PM (GBKbO)
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Wrong!!! The economy is the worst it’s been in 100 years. Bread lines are stretching to miles long. Children are dying from starvation.
Posted by: MSM at April 30, 2025 12:08 PM (S4ZTs)
*******
The only solution to right this ship is by electing AOC or Gavin Newsom in 2028.
Posted by: MSM at April 30, 2025 12:08 PM (S4ZTs)
*******
The only solution to right this ship is by electing AOC or Gavin Newsom in 2028.
Posted by: redridinghood at April 30, 2025 12:13 PM (NpAcC)
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So if government just increased spending by 10% every quarter GDP would grow 10% every quarter.
Shows was a bullshit number gdp is.
Shows was a bullshit number gdp is.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 30, 2025 12:13 PM (S4ZTs)
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36 Wrong!!! The economy is the worst it’s been in 100 years. Bread lines are stretching to miles long. Children are dying from starvation.
Posted by: MSM at April 30, 2025 12:08 PM (S4ZTs)
*******
The only solution to right this ship is by electing AOC or Gavin Newsom in 2028.
Posted by: redridinghood at April 30, 2025 12:13 PM (NpAcC)
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1. Impeach Trump.
2. Vance resigns.
3. President Hillary.
Posted by: MSM at April 30, 2025 12:08 PM (S4ZTs)
*******
The only solution to right this ship is by electing AOC or Gavin Newsom in 2028.
Posted by: redridinghood at April 30, 2025 12:13 PM (NpAcC)
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1. Impeach Trump.
2. Vance resigns.
3. President Hillary.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:13 PM (GBKbO)
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GDP measures what Humpty Dumpty Congress wants measured. Nothing more and nothing less.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 30, 2025 12:13 PM (wWIcc)
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>>> Q1 GDP drops 0.3%, first contraction in 3 years
There is only one cure for this fever -
Crank up the printing presses!
It's worked for the 50 years
There is only one cure for this fever -
Crank up the printing presses!
It's worked for the 50 years
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 30, 2025 12:14 PM (/lPRQ)
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I wish my bitches hurry up and get here. I ain't got no time to be sittin inside this cell with all y'all.
Posted by: Billy Ray Valentine at April 30, 2025 12:11 PM
Where are your bitches, Mr. Big Time Pimp?
Posted by: Billy Ray Valentine at April 30, 2025 12:11 PM
Where are your bitches, Mr. Big Time Pimp?
Posted by: Big Black Guy at April 30, 2025 12:14 PM (QBMHV)
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I would not put it past the diehard deep staters in the The Bureau of Economic Analysis to fudge the numbers just to make Trump look bad.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 30, 2025 12:14 PM (e5NfL)
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Incidentally, just saw a news story that there have already been a double-digit number of illegal airspace incursions over Mar-a-Lago since the inauguration, including 7 where they wouldn't respond to the radio and had to have the Air Force show up and encourage them to leave.
Are the Dems planning 9/11 Part 2?
Are the Dems planning 9/11 Part 2?
Posted by: Ian S. at April 30, 2025 12:14 PM (QZThv)
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35 29 What does GDP measure?
Posted by: Bull Moose at April 30, 2025 12:12 PM (qZcs
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GDP = C + I + G + (X - M)
C (Consumption):
I (Investment):
G (Government Spending):
(X - M) (Net Exports)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:13 PM (GBKbO)
Which as noted by Kindletot is determined by measuring what is spent on each.
Spending money on a meal adds to GDP as measured, cooking the same at home does not, despite the same production and wealth being involved.
Posted by: Bull Moose at April 30, 2025 12:12 PM (qZcs
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GDP = C + I + G + (X - M)
C (Consumption):
I (Investment):
G (Government Spending):
(X - M) (Net Exports)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:13 PM (GBKbO)
Which as noted by Kindletot is determined by measuring what is spent on each.
Spending money on a meal adds to GDP as measured, cooking the same at home does not, despite the same production and wealth being involved.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at April 30, 2025 12:15 PM (okun6)
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Interesting that imports have *increased* with all the tariff kerfluffle.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:15 PM (lFFaq)
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44 Which as noted by Kindletot is determined by measuring what is spent on each.
Spending money on a meal adds to GDP as measured, cooking the same at home does not, despite the same production and wealth being involved.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at April 30, 2025 12:15 PM (okun6)
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It's not a good measure of the economy in a few different ways.
Spending money on a meal adds to GDP as measured, cooking the same at home does not, despite the same production and wealth being involved.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at April 30, 2025 12:15 PM (okun6)
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It's not a good measure of the economy in a few different ways.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:16 PM (GBKbO)
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Quick! Everyone panic!
The economy's going to hell!!!
Get out of your stocks now!!!!!
Especially, the one that are stable with a consistent growth rate and a good dividend. Those are the worst!!! Get out now! So, the price will drop!!!
Save yourselves!!!!
The economy's going to hell!!!
Get out of your stocks now!!!!!
Especially, the one that are stable with a consistent growth rate and a good dividend. Those are the worst!!! Get out now! So, the price will drop!!!
Save yourselves!!!!
Posted by: naturalfake at April 30, 2025 12:16 PM (iJfKG)
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Posted by: ShainS at April 30, 2025 12:16 PM (1aiKR)
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45 Interesting that imports have *increased* with all the tariff kerfluffle.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:15 PM (lFFaq)
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They increased before the tariffs were implemented.
It was precautionary/reactionary to events people were predicting would come to pass.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:15 PM (lFFaq)
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They increased before the tariffs were implemented.
It was precautionary/reactionary to events people were predicting would come to pass.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:16 PM (GBKbO)
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"The decrease in government spending reflected a decrease in federal government spending (led by defense consumption expenditures) "
Which the people who rely on msm will never hear about!
Which the people who rely on msm will never hear about!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 30, 2025 12:16 PM (EafHQ)
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Interesting that imports have *increased* with all the tariff kerfluffle.
A lot of near-scam drop shippers had "last chance before the tariffs" sales.
A lot of near-scam drop shippers had "last chance before the tariffs" sales.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 30, 2025 12:17 PM (QZThv)
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Thanks, TJM, for a nice, honest summary of what is happening out there. I saw a couple of Corporate Media headlines/comments yesterday that spun the picture of an economy crashing after 100 days of Trump.
Posted by: RM at April 30, 2025 12:17 PM (n/1Oj)
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With a republican president a recession is defined by two quarters of negative growth.
For a democratic president those rules do not apply.
For a democratic president those rules do not apply.
Posted by: Redenzo at April 30, 2025 12:17 PM (jZ3ZM)
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42-no way dude, the have been telling and continue to tell the truth. The massive corrections to the data later are a barely an inconvenience.
Posted by: Francis at April 30, 2025 12:17 PM (bbuBP)
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:13 PM (GBKbO)
Has government spending always been part of GDP? If not, when was it added and by whom?
Has government spending always been part of GDP? If not, when was it added and by whom?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:17 PM (lFFaq)
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52 Thanks, TJM, for a nice, honest summary of what is happening out there. I saw a couple of Corporate Media headlines/comments yesterday that spun the picture of an economy crashing after 100 days of Trump.
Posted by: RM at April 30, 2025 12:17 PM (n/1Oj)
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-.3% is nothing like a crash, even with the worst mix of internal numbers to back it up.
Unless it's a crash in consumer spending offset by a massive increase in government spending.
That would be real bad.
Posted by: RM at April 30, 2025 12:17 PM (n/1Oj)
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-.3% is nothing like a crash, even with the worst mix of internal numbers to back it up.
Unless it's a crash in consumer spending offset by a massive increase in government spending.
That would be real bad.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:18 PM (GBKbO)
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By importers choosing different suppliers from different countries.
Lots of countries sell coffee beans.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:11 PM (GBKbO)
Coffee is only grown in one US state: Hawaii. And it’s already sold at a premium. With a base 10% tariff on every other country, how does that not amount to a tax on coffee?
Also, I tend to think in many cases some of the tariffs will be absorbed by producers. But coffee producers don’t make a whole lot so it’s harder for them to absorb the costs.
Lots of countries sell coffee beans.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:11 PM (GBKbO)
Coffee is only grown in one US state: Hawaii. And it’s already sold at a premium. With a base 10% tariff on every other country, how does that not amount to a tax on coffee?
Also, I tend to think in many cases some of the tariffs will be absorbed by producers. But coffee producers don’t make a whole lot so it’s harder for them to absorb the costs.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:18 PM (l3YAf)
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Wrong!!! The economy is the worst it’s been in 100 years. Bread lines are stretching to miles long. Children are dying from starvation.
Posted by: MSM
Make Okies great again.
Wrong!!! The economy is the worst it’s been in 100 years. Bread lines are stretching to miles long. Children are dying from starvation.
Posted by: MSM
Make Okies great again.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 30, 2025 12:18 PM (63Dwl)
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53 With a republican president a recession is defined by two quarters of negative growth.
For a democratic president those rules do not apply.
Posted by: Redenzo
_____
I'm thinking the rules for Trump will be only 1 qtr of negative growth is needed to have the press call it a recession.
For a democratic president those rules do not apply.
Posted by: Redenzo
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I'm thinking the rules for Trump will be only 1 qtr of negative growth is needed to have the press call it a recession.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 30, 2025 12:19 PM (Dv3i1)
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Interesting that imports have *increased* with all the tariff kerfluffle.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:15 PM (lFFaq)
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It's likely that in anticipation of the upcoming tariffs, many American companies that purchase goods from China and other foreign countries were buying, importing, & stockpiling several months worth of goods for inventory.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:15 PM (lFFaq)
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It's likely that in anticipation of the upcoming tariffs, many American companies that purchase goods from China and other foreign countries were buying, importing, & stockpiling several months worth of goods for inventory.
Posted by: ShainS at April 30, 2025 12:19 PM (1aiKR)
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Coffee is only grown in one US state: Hawaii. And it’s already sold at a premium. With a base 10% tariff on every other country, how does that not amount to a tax on coffee?
I imagine given the low margins on coffee a lot of those countries are in line to come to DC and sign a deal.
I imagine given the low margins on coffee a lot of those countries are in line to come to DC and sign a deal.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 30, 2025 12:19 PM (QZThv)
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55 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:13 PM (GBKbO)
Has government spending always been part of GDP? If not, when was it added and by whom?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:17 PM (lFFaq)
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The modern concept was created in 1934, and it looks like it's always included government spending.
Has government spending always been part of GDP? If not, when was it added and by whom?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:17 PM (lFFaq)
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The modern concept was created in 1934, and it looks like it's always included government spending.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:19 PM (GBKbO)
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Make Okies great again.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 30, 2025 12:18 PM
"I'm Okie to my toes!"
- Elizabeth Warren D-OK MA
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 30, 2025 12:18 PM
"I'm Okie to my toes!"
- Elizabeth Warren D-
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 30, 2025 12:20 PM (QBMHV)
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33 A long time ago I was in a doctor's office and leafing through some hippy dippy magazine. An article that stuck was how to live in Canada for $2500 a year. Step one. Buy an old .303 rifle. Step two. Shoot a moose.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 30, 2025 12:20 PM (gm9Sb)
Posted by: creeper at April 30, 2025 12:20 PM (zFwIe)
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Egg Price Update!
from the hive of scum & villainy known as Costco:
04/24/25: $7.69 for 2 dozen pack, no limit
Compared to 03/18/25: $8.99/2 dozen, limit 3
02/26/25: $8.49, limit 3.
Egg Price Update!
from the hive of scum & villainy known as Costco:
04/24/25: $7.69 for 2 dozen pack, no limit
Compared to 03/18/25: $8.99/2 dozen, limit 3
02/26/25: $8.49, limit 3.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:20 PM (jec0o)
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If you take out government deficit spending, we’ve been in a recession since 2022.
If you take out the 2021 post-covid rebound, we’ve been in a recession since early 2020.
If you take out the 2021 post-covid rebound, we’ve been in a recession since early 2020.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:21 PM (l3YAf)
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Israel is burning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRkFAmHFHHs
Palestinians are finally copy-catting California illegals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRkFAmHFHHs
Palestinians are finally copy-catting California illegals.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 30, 2025 12:21 PM (QZThv)
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 30, 2025 12:21 PM (Dv3i1)
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:19 PM (GBKbO)
So it's essentially been a progressive scam all along? Wish I'd known that a long time ago.
So it's essentially been a progressive scam all along? Wish I'd known that a long time ago.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:22 PM (lFFaq)
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57 Coffee is only grown in one US state: Hawaii. And it’s already sold at a premium. With a base 10% tariff on every other country, how does that not amount to a tax on coffee?
Also, I tend to think in many cases some of the tariffs will be absorbed by producers. But coffee producers don’t make a whole lot so it’s harder for them to absorb the costs.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:18 PM (l3YAf)
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The country that makes the 0-tariff deal with Trump wins first.
And...one must always remember that this is coupled with Trump's promised attempts to try and eliminate the income tax on people making less than $200,000 per year.
He's trying to replace one tax (onerous, invasive, anti-liberty) with another (directed at foreigners).
It's a tradeoff that I'm willing to make.
Also, the effects of tariffs are massively oversold.
Also, I tend to think in many cases some of the tariffs will be absorbed by producers. But coffee producers don’t make a whole lot so it’s harder for them to absorb the costs.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:18 PM (l3YAf)
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The country that makes the 0-tariff deal with Trump wins first.
And...one must always remember that this is coupled with Trump's promised attempts to try and eliminate the income tax on people making less than $200,000 per year.
He's trying to replace one tax (onerous, invasive, anti-liberty) with another (directed at foreigners).
It's a tradeoff that I'm willing to make.
Also, the effects of tariffs are massively oversold.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:22 PM (GBKbO)
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In the antagonistic climate and knowing that the deep state is still operations, best to look at the underlying numbers that gave us that "contraction". Do we have those numbers? No we do not.
Posted by: runner at April 30, 2025 12:22 PM (g47mK)
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I imagine Israel's fire service isn't staffed exclusively by fat lesbians though.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 30, 2025 12:22 PM (QZThv)
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*operational
Posted by: runner at April 30, 2025 12:22 PM (g47mK)
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unusual_whales
@unusual_whales
"Warren Buffett calls himself ‘cheap’ for still living in the same house he purchased for $31,500—despite having $168 billion to his name," per FORTUNE
@unusual_whales
"Warren Buffett calls himself ‘cheap’ for still living in the same house he purchased for $31,500—despite having $168 billion to his name," per FORTUNE
Posted by: redridinghood at April 30, 2025 12:22 PM (NpAcC)
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Battery factory fire or the usual muzzie murderers?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 30, 2025 12:21 PM
Healing power of "and"?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 30, 2025 12:21 PM
Healing power of "and"?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 30, 2025 12:22 PM (QBMHV)
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So no reason to set my hair on fire ? Darn....
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30, 2025 12:23 PM (VE6XX)
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Negative growth=Positive shrinkage
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 30, 2025 12:23 PM (63Dwl)
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I seem to recall that under the *biden regime economic numbers were always revised.... downward. No matter how the media and administration tried to spin things, it was always worse in real life.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 30, 2025 12:23 PM (Q4IgG)
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Step two. Shoot a moose.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 30, 2025 12:20 PM (gm9Sb)
So, step three is "go to jail"?
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 30, 2025 12:20 PM (gm9Sb)
So, step three is "go to jail"?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:23 PM (lFFaq)
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Are the Dems planning 9/11 Part 2?
Posted by: Ian S. at April 30, 2025 12:14 PM (QZThv)
I wonder what defences Mara Lago actually has. I'd like to think it has tower mounted Dylans and maybe a mini Iron Dome set up.
But I suspect it has 6 or 8 lazy lesbian SS guards and some of those cameras that "fail" all the time.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 30, 2025 12:14 PM (QZThv)
I wonder what defences Mara Lago actually has. I'd like to think it has tower mounted Dylans and maybe a mini Iron Dome set up.
But I suspect it has 6 or 8 lazy lesbian SS guards and some of those cameras that "fail" all the time.
Posted by: Reforger at April 30, 2025 12:23 PM (xcIvR)
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Battery factory fire or the usual muzzie murderers?
Early reports are the muzzies set the fires, apparently inspired by the illegals arrested in California for doing the same.
Early reports are the muzzies set the fires, apparently inspired by the illegals arrested in California for doing the same.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 30, 2025 12:23 PM (QZThv)
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42 I would not put it past the diehard deep staters in the The Bureau of Economic Analysis to fudge the numbers just to make Trump look bad.
no doubt in my mind
regardless, these look fine to me
of course the media will scream recession now, they already were
no doubt in my mind
regardless, these look fine to me
of course the media will scream recession now, they already were
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 30, 2025 12:23 PM (Pv3Rg)
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How much remodeling has Warren Buffet dine to the house since purchase?
Bet Warren won't tell us that.
Bet Warren won't tell us that.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 30, 2025 12:24 PM (wWIcc)
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Also, I tend to think in many cases some of the tariffs will be absorbed by producers. But coffee producers don’t make a whole lot so it’s harder for them to absorb the costs.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:18 PM (l3YAf)
10% dude. Imports from those countries pretty much have Ten Percent Tariffs. You are setting your hair on fire over 10%
Better start drinking burnt field peas to deal with the one dollar increase in a pound of bulk beans from WinCo
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:18 PM (l3YAf)
10% dude. Imports from those countries pretty much have Ten Percent Tariffs. You are setting your hair on fire over 10%
Better start drinking burnt field peas to deal with the one dollar increase in a pound of bulk beans from WinCo
Posted by: Kindltot at April 30, 2025 12:24 PM (D7oie)
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71 For the DOD, coffee is really mission essential so I see a break in tariffs. Joe Retardo would let the troops drink Postum.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 30, 2025 12:24 PM (gm9Sb)
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 30, 2025 12:24 PM (Pv3Rg)
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I don't know if I've ever de-willowed someone but this is a good a shot as any:
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Lots of blackouts in Europe. But the real story is that the grid frequency got so low that the entire continent almost went down. That's what you get when you listen to Angela and Greta. Can't wait until the UK blocks out the sun.
The EU is on a path to ruin. Led by faceless gnomes, they're struggling to keep the lights on while Muslims are reaching the critical mass needed to take over.the juice to pursue AI dreams that will require losts over.
Meanwhile in the US I'm happy to report what I only know because of my day job. Trump has a massive deregulatory effort that's so far below the radar that it's stealth. It builds on favorable SCOTUS decisions in recent years. especially last year's decision in Loper Bright. This is both nerdish and momentous. New York's own Lee Zeldin is a key player at the EPA.
It's intended to reverse 40 years of regulatory bloat in the US. We'll have a huge competitive advantage over the EU. We only need to keep the lights on.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 30, 2025 12:09 PM (Gqoy+)
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Lots of blackouts in Europe. But the real story is that the grid frequency got so low that the entire continent almost went down. That's what you get when you listen to Angela and Greta. Can't wait until the UK blocks out the sun.
The EU is on a path to ruin. Led by faceless gnomes, they're struggling to keep the lights on while Muslims are reaching the critical mass needed to take over.the juice to pursue AI dreams that will require losts over.
Meanwhile in the US I'm happy to report what I only know because of my day job. Trump has a massive deregulatory effort that's so far below the radar that it's stealth. It builds on favorable SCOTUS decisions in recent years. especially last year's decision in Loper Bright. This is both nerdish and momentous. New York's own Lee Zeldin is a key player at the EPA.
It's intended to reverse 40 years of regulatory bloat in the US. We'll have a huge competitive advantage over the EU. We only need to keep the lights on.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 30, 2025 12:09 PM (Gqoy+)
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:24 PM (M/gGe)
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If you take out government deficit spending, we’ve been in a recession since 2022.
If you take out the 2021 post-covid rebound, we’ve been in a recession since early 2020.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:21 PM (l3YAf)
Which tracks with the Biden cabal being in power. Sounds right.
If you take out the 2021 post-covid rebound, we’ve been in a recession since early 2020.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:21 PM (l3YAf)
Which tracks with the Biden cabal being in power. Sounds right.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:25 PM (lFFaq)
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77 So no reason to set my hair on fire ? Darn....
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30
Awwwww, man.
*puts down aqua net and bic lighter. *
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30
Awwwww, man.
*puts down aqua net and bic lighter. *
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 30, 2025 12:25 PM (W2Pud)
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What are the Rules in a TJM thread? Do we know?
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:25 PM (M/gGe)
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:26 PM (M/gGe)
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Any Paleoswineans set themselves afire?
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 30, 2025 12:26 PM (wWIcc)
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thanks three dots! great post by ignoramus
and I concur - loads is happening under the radar, plus a lot of good things are purposely being ignored/covered up by the media
stuff is happening all over
good stuff
and I concur - loads is happening under the radar, plus a lot of good things are purposely being ignored/covered up by the media
stuff is happening all over
good stuff
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 30, 2025 12:26 PM (Pv3Rg)
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We're going to need to accept a decrease in "GDP" as we cut government spending so we can get real growth.
Government spending is illusory growth, but is very visible.
That's why our fool "elites" choose it. Because they are fools who do not think beyond the next news cycle.
Government spending is illusory growth, but is very visible.
That's why our fool "elites" choose it. Because they are fools who do not think beyond the next news cycle.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 30, 2025 12:26 PM (aPBRN)
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If you take out government deficit spending, we’ve been in a recession since 2022.
If you take out the 2021 post-covid rebound, we’ve been in a recession since early 2020.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:21 PM (l3YAf)
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I'm still convinced that during much of DogEater's Reign of Error we were in a (what used to be the classic textbook definition of -- with of course rigged numbers for him) a depression.
If you take out the 2021 post-covid rebound, we’ve been in a recession since early 2020.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:21 PM (l3YAf)
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I'm still convinced that during much of DogEater's Reign of Error we were in a (what used to be the classic textbook definition of -- with of course rigged numbers for him) a depression.
Posted by: ShainS at April 30, 2025 12:26 PM (CbFrP)
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91 What are the Rules in a TJM thread? Do we know?
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:25 PM (M/gGe)
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Praise, honor, and glorification of the OP.
Merciless treatment of trolls.
Donuts, assuming Todd hasn't eaten them all.
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:25 PM (M/gGe)
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Praise, honor, and glorification of the OP.
Merciless treatment of trolls.
Donuts, assuming Todd hasn't eaten them all.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:26 PM (GBKbO)
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What are the Rules in a TJM thread? Do we know?
The rules are that you must own a copy of Prometheus.
The rules are that you must own a copy of Prometheus.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 30, 2025 12:26 PM (QZThv)
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What are the Rules in a TJM thread? Do we know?
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:25 PM (M/gGe)
No comments about a certain movie?
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:25 PM (M/gGe)
No comments about a certain movie?
Posted by: dantesed at April 30, 2025 12:26 PM (Oy/m2)
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Referee attacked (from behind!) by portapotty:
https://tinyurl.com/4bfppn3x
https://tinyurl.com/4bfppn3x
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at April 30, 2025 12:26 PM (GaW1s)
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>>Are the Dems planning 9/11 Part 2?
It's just lazy private pilots not checking NOTAMS for the TFRs that are issued for that airspace every time Trump is at Mar-a-Lago.
It's just lazy private pilots not checking NOTAMS for the TFRs that are issued for that airspace every time Trump is at Mar-a-Lago.
Posted by: one hour sober at April 30, 2025 12:27 PM (Y1sOo)
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Also, the effects of tariffs are massively oversold.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
How so? Tariffs funded the feds for a long,long, time!!!
Also, the effects of tariffs are massively oversold.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
How so? Tariffs funded the feds for a long,long, time!!!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 30, 2025 12:27 PM (EafHQ)
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How much remodeling has Warren Buffet dine to the house since purchase?
Bet Warren won't tell us that.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 30, 2025 12:24 PM
Or what its appreciated value is.
Bet Warren won't tell us that.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 30, 2025 12:24 PM
Or what its appreciated value is.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 30, 2025 12:27 PM (QBMHV)
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It's a tradeoff that I'm willing to make.
Also, the effects of tariffs are massively oversold.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:22 PM (GBKbO)
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The one part about tariffs I really like is the 10% floor. I believe a lot of countries evade trade agreements and find other means to close their markets to the US.
Also, the effects of tariffs are massively oversold.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:22 PM (GBKbO)
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The one part about tariffs I really like is the 10% floor. I believe a lot of countries evade trade agreements and find other means to close their markets to the US.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:27 PM (tT6L1)
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Israel is burning.
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Battery factory fire or the usual muzzie murderers?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 30, 2025 12:21 PM (Dv3i1)
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The latter.
Can I borrow your hammer?
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Battery factory fire or the usual muzzie murderers?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 30, 2025 12:21 PM (Dv3i1)
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The latter.
Can I borrow your hammer?
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at April 30, 2025 12:27 PM (qFAfu)
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Can't wait until the UK blocks out the sun.
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In UK parliament, opposition asked the question, why are we building all these solar farms and at the same time experimenting on blocking the sun?
The response was, the opposition has no plan to tackle the climate emergency. Zing!
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In UK parliament, opposition asked the question, why are we building all these solar farms and at the same time experimenting on blocking the sun?
The response was, the opposition has no plan to tackle the climate emergency. Zing!
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 30, 2025 12:27 PM (Dv3i1)
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Interesting that imports have *increased* with all the tariff kerfluffle.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:15 PM (lFFaq)
They didn’t “increase”. They increased.
Remember this is q1, ie Jan-March before the tariffs kicked in. It was companies importing as much as they could before the tariffs kicked in.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:15 PM (lFFaq)
They didn’t “increase”. They increased.
Remember this is q1, ie Jan-March before the tariffs kicked in. It was companies importing as much as they could before the tariffs kicked in.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 30, 2025 12:27 PM (S4ZTs)
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91 What are the Rules in a TJM thread? Do we know?
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Don't mention autistic mating habits.
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Don't mention autistic mating habits.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 30, 2025 12:27 PM (pZ64F)
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Coffee is also grown in California. Not a huge amount, but they do.
Posted by: Two Coffee States at April 30, 2025 12:27 PM (G5+As)
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By importers choosing different suppliers from different countries.
Lots of countries sell coffee beans.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:11 PM (GBKbO)
Coffee is only grown in one US state: Hawaii. And it’s already sold at a premium. With a base 10% tariff on every other country, how does that not amount to a tax on coffee?
Also, I tend to think in many cases some of the tariffs will be absorbed by producers. But coffee producers don’t make a whole lot so it’s harder for them to absorb the costs.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:18 PM (l3YAf)
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Or to be subsidized by host countries. I think Japan already said it would pay any tariff increases imposed on its car manufacturers, so that its cars aren’t uncompetitively priced. Others will follow suit if they can’t negotiate deals.
Lots of countries sell coffee beans.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:11 PM (GBKbO)
Coffee is only grown in one US state: Hawaii. And it’s already sold at a premium. With a base 10% tariff on every other country, how does that not amount to a tax on coffee?
Also, I tend to think in many cases some of the tariffs will be absorbed by producers. But coffee producers don’t make a whole lot so it’s harder for them to absorb the costs.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:18 PM (l3YAf)
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Or to be subsidized by host countries. I think Japan already said it would pay any tariff increases imposed on its car manufacturers, so that its cars aren’t uncompetitively priced. Others will follow suit if they can’t negotiate deals.
Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at April 30, 2025 12:27 PM (L0lnW)
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rules...just come to the point, y'all want to know if pants are required...
Posted by: runner at April 30, 2025 12:27 PM (g47mK)
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hurricanes won a big game last night - double OT after being down 0-3 vs the devils!
just wanted to mention bc I love the canes and HATE the devils
just wanted to mention bc I love the canes and HATE the devils
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 30, 2025 12:27 PM (Pv3Rg)
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Good morning, all. Pam Bondi is speaking in the televised cabinet meeting. Let's see what she brags about.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 30, 2025 12:28 PM (PduQx)
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So, step three is "go to jail"?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:23 PM (lFFaq)
That's how you get housing for cheap. And they'll cook the moose for you.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:23 PM (lFFaq)
That's how you get housing for cheap. And they'll cook the moose for you.
Posted by: Reforger at April 30, 2025 12:28 PM (xcIvR)
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Also, the effects of tariffs are massively oversold.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
How so? Tariffs funded the feds for a long,long, time!!!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 30, 2025 12:27 PM (EafHQ)
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A fed much, much smaller.
But, the effects are never about how much they can fund the government, but about how they'll affect consumer pricing.
Apparently, CATO's analysis of the 2018 tariffs saw a $7 billion increase on $250 billion in imports. Statistical noise that never actually showed up for consumers.
Also, when people scream that tariffs are inflationary, I roll my eyes. Increased prices without actual monetary supply movement (actual cause of inflation), it's actually a deflationary move.
Just think of the standard supply/demand curve. It makes the price go up, so demand goes down. That's deflationary, if anything.
Also, the effects of tariffs are massively oversold.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
How so? Tariffs funded the feds for a long,long, time!!!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 30, 2025 12:27 PM (EafHQ)
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A fed much, much smaller.
But, the effects are never about how much they can fund the government, but about how they'll affect consumer pricing.
Apparently, CATO's analysis of the 2018 tariffs saw a $7 billion increase on $250 billion in imports. Statistical noise that never actually showed up for consumers.
Also, when people scream that tariffs are inflationary, I roll my eyes. Increased prices without actual monetary supply movement (actual cause of inflation), it's actually a deflationary move.
Just think of the standard supply/demand curve. It makes the price go up, so demand goes down. That's deflationary, if anything.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:29 PM (GBKbO)
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4 Tariffs are taxes. Period.
Posted by: A man afraid of the LGBT lobby at April 30, 2025 12:03 PM (WE1WX)
Yes we know. So is inflation. So is the corporate income tax. So are tolls on the highway. So are regulations. So are... etc. etc. etc.
If your argument is we need fewer taxes, I'm with ya. A great rebalance would be to pump up tariffs 2-3x what Trump is proposing to encourage domestic production, which in an of itself is a great goal, and any tariffs that are paid can and should offset other tax burdens (maybe get rid of the federal gas tax or something like that).
Posted by: A man afraid of the LGBT lobby at April 30, 2025 12:03 PM (WE1WX)
Yes we know. So is inflation. So is the corporate income tax. So are tolls on the highway. So are regulations. So are... etc. etc. etc.
If your argument is we need fewer taxes, I'm with ya. A great rebalance would be to pump up tariffs 2-3x what Trump is proposing to encourage domestic production, which in an of itself is a great goal, and any tariffs that are paid can and should offset other tax burdens (maybe get rid of the federal gas tax or something like that).
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 30, 2025 12:29 PM (uCjyK)
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101 Lazy pilots not checking NOTAMS. Well maybe they were triggered and it should be Notes to Flying Whatever, not, horrors, airmen.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 30, 2025 12:29 PM (gm9Sb)
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You’d think Florida and PR could grow coffee.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 30, 2025 12:29 PM (S4ZTs)
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>> 10% dude. Imports from those countries pretty much have Ten Percent Tariffs. You are setting your hair on fire over 10%
Who’s setting his hair on fire? I said tariffs are taxes, and in some cases they are unavoidable. I said that the goal of those taxes was a good one, and that Trump is trying to offset the impact of the taxes on Americans.
Just be honest about what is being done.
Who’s setting his hair on fire? I said tariffs are taxes, and in some cases they are unavoidable. I said that the goal of those taxes was a good one, and that Trump is trying to offset the impact of the taxes on Americans.
Just be honest about what is being done.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:30 PM (l3YAf)
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Airpeople.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at April 30, 2025 12:30 PM (GaW1s)
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Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:26 PM (M/gGe)
Pretty good. Trying to be more productive IRL so not around the HQ much. Have a fasting physical today at 3 though,so I'm conserving energy by not doing anything.
How goes it with you?
Pretty good. Trying to be more productive IRL so not around the HQ much. Have a fasting physical today at 3 though,so I'm conserving energy by not doing anything.
How goes it with you?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:30 PM (lFFaq)
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 30, 2025 12:30 PM (Pv3Rg)
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119 Who’s setting his hair on fire? I said tariffs are taxes, and in some cases they are unavoidable. I said that the goal of those taxes was a good one, and that Trump is trying to offset the impact of the taxes on Americans.
Just be honest about what is being done.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:30 PM (l3YAf)
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Also, I think they're more like a fee than a tax.
Just be honest about what is being done.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:30 PM (l3YAf)
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Also, I think they're more like a fee than a tax.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:30 PM (GBKbO)
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But, the effects are never about how much they can fund the government, but about how they'll affect consumer pricing.
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Avoided use of "impact", twice in one sentence. Nicely done!
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Avoided use of "impact", twice in one sentence. Nicely done!
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 30, 2025 12:30 PM (Dv3i1)
125
So Zelenskiy is gonna sign the minerals deal ? Don't trust him...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30, 2025 12:30 PM (VE6XX)
126
Negative growth=Positive shrinkage
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 30, 2025 12:23 PM (63Dwl)
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"Women know about positive shrinkage, right?"
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 30, 2025 12:23 PM (63Dwl)
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"Women know about positive shrinkage, right?"
Posted by: ShainS at April 30, 2025 12:30 PM (6/NZC)
127
Joey Bidet in his DEI quest renamed it to Notice to Air Missions or something,
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 30, 2025 12:31 PM (wWIcc)
128
Whoa! BREAKING!!
AG Blondi just said: President Trump saved 258 million lives.
I suspect the Fake News, right now, is orchestrating their next fake freak-out!
Whoa! BREAKING!!
AG Blondi just said: President Trump saved 258 million lives.
I suspect the Fake News, right now, is orchestrating their next fake freak-out!
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:31 PM (pJdGK)
129
GDP down. The walls are closing in. Resignation imminent.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (MGB5H)
130
It is clear now that interest rates are shockingly high, and need to come down
Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (aAsRy)
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118 You’d think Florida and PR could grow coffee.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
Elevation helps with coffee. Highest point in FL is 325 ft.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
Elevation helps with coffee. Highest point in FL is 325 ft.
Posted by: Mountain Growned Mrs. Olson at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (G5+As)
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129 GDP down. The walls are closing in. Resignation imminent.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (MGB5H)
IMPEACH !!!
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (MGB5H)
IMPEACH !!!
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (VE6XX)
133
Looks like they let that Columbia student Hamas rabble-rouser out today because his detainment was "inconsistent with American values"
Posted by: Halfhand at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (GLzsD)
Posted by: Francis at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (bbuBP)
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You’d think Florida and PR could grow coffee.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 30, 2025 12:29 PM (S4ZTs)
I don’t know why Florida doesn’t grow coffee. Maybe because it’s not a very profitable crop? PR does grow coffee, though.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 30, 2025 12:29 PM (S4ZTs)
I don’t know why Florida doesn’t grow coffee. Maybe because it’s not a very profitable crop? PR does grow coffee, though.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:33 PM (l3YAf)
Posted by: Juan Valdez, hand picking only the best coffee beans in the hills at April 30, 2025 12:33 PM (Dv3i1)
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The Fake News is going to fake "fact-check" AG Bondi for saying that and conclude: "false."
That will be the next fake freakout for the next fake news cycle.
The Fake News is going to fake "fact-check" AG Bondi for saying that and conclude: "false."
That will be the next fake freakout for the next fake news cycle.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:33 PM (pJdGK)
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I'm still convinced that during much of DogEater's Reign of Error we were in a (what used to be the classic textbook definition of -- with of course rigged numbers for him) a depression.
Posted by: ShainS at April 30, 2025 12:26 PM (CbFrP)
John (late, first) Husband, a CPA, agreed with you in 2010. He said the issue was the amount of debt, but it's been long enough I don't remember more than that.
Posted by: ShainS at April 30, 2025 12:26 PM (CbFrP)
John (late, first) Husband, a CPA, agreed with you in 2010. He said the issue was the amount of debt, but it's been long enough I don't remember more than that.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:33 PM (lFFaq)
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133 Looks like they let that Columbia student Hamas rabble-rouser out today because his detainment was "inconsistent with American values"
Posted by: Halfhand at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (GLzsD)
And he cares about American Values ?
Posted by: Halfhand at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (GLzsD)
And he cares about American Values ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30, 2025 12:33 PM (VE6XX)
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133 Looks like they let that Columbia student Hamas rabble-rouser out today because his detainment was "inconsistent with American values"
Posted by: Halfhand at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (GLzsD)
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I read that it was ordered by a judge, not that it was done. Maybe more has happened?
Posted by: Halfhand at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (GLzsD)
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I read that it was ordered by a judge, not that it was done. Maybe more has happened?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:34 PM (GBKbO)
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101 117 Taking flying lessons and finally getting the OK to start the solo process, I had a little problem involving the ADIZ one afternoon, and I think I had my own NOTAM (at least that's why the grizzled old character at the FBO said).
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 30, 2025 12:34 PM (gm9Sb)
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Record-setting increases in US Customs duties should be factored in, too.
Posted by: mrp at April 30, 2025 12:34 PM (rj6Yv)
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The Fake News is going to fake "fact-check" AG Bondi for saying that and conclude: "false."
That will be the next fake freakout for the next fake news cycle.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:33 PM (pJdGK)
Wasn't that in regard to the huge drug/fentanyl bust ?
That will be the next fake freakout for the next fake news cycle.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:33 PM (pJdGK)
Wasn't that in regard to the huge drug/fentanyl bust ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30, 2025 12:34 PM (VE6XX)
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Florida doesnt grow coffee due to hurricanes. About the time the plants make some beans you lose the whole crop to 125MPH winds.
(The above was bullsit but darn it, it just feels right)
(The above was bullsit but darn it, it just feels right)
Posted by: Francis at April 30, 2025 12:35 PM (bbuBP)
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In UK parliament, opposition asked the question, why are we building all these solar farms and at the same time experimenting on blocking the sun?
The response was, the opposition has no plan to tackle the climate emergency. Zing!
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 30, 2025 12:27 PM (Dv3i1)
It's just more money laundering. No one in the government really cares one way or the other.
The response was, the opposition has no plan to tackle the climate emergency. Zing!
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 30, 2025 12:27 PM (Dv3i1)
It's just more money laundering. No one in the government really cares one way or the other.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 30, 2025 12:35 PM (g8Ew8)
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Elevation helps with coffee. Highest point in FL is 325 ft.
Posted by: Mountain Growned Mrs. Olson at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (G5+As)
Coffee in Hawaii is grown like 20ft above sea level. It’s grown on the dry side of the islands.
Posted by: Mountain Growned Mrs. Olson at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (G5+As)
Coffee in Hawaii is grown like 20ft above sea level. It’s grown on the dry side of the islands.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:35 PM (l3YAf)
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Looks like they let that Columbia student Hamas rabble-rouser out today because his detainment was "inconsistent with American values"
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Moving the student in to the judge's bedroom is consistent with American values.
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Moving the student in to the judge's bedroom is consistent with American values.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 30, 2025 12:35 PM (Dv3i1)
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willowed--
I'm a lifetime rightwing voter. McCain repelled me. Palin made it palatable to vote for the old shitbag.
I'm a lifetime rightwing voter. McCain repelled me. Palin made it palatable to vote for the old shitbag.
Posted by: free tibet with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at April 30, 2025 12:35 PM (+H0sG)
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95 We're going to need to accept a decrease in "GDP" as we cut government spending so we can get real growth.
Government spending is illusory growth, but is very visible.
That's why our fool "elites" choose it. Because they are fools who do not think beyond the next news cycle.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 30, 2025 12:26 PM (aPBRN)
I'm fine with it. GDP was never a good measure of "how is the middle class (who make up the vast majority of people in this country) doing?"
The basic formula has always been Consumer spending + Business investments (spending) + Government spending + (Exports - Imports).
So if everyone goes balls to the wall on spending money they don't have, GDP grows massively.
But is crippling credit card debt, business debt, and government debt, with massive export surpluses really a sign of a healthy economy and an improving standard of living? Hardly.
Government spending is illusory growth, but is very visible.
That's why our fool "elites" choose it. Because they are fools who do not think beyond the next news cycle.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 30, 2025 12:26 PM (aPBRN)
I'm fine with it. GDP was never a good measure of "how is the middle class (who make up the vast majority of people in this country) doing?"
The basic formula has always been Consumer spending + Business investments (spending) + Government spending + (Exports - Imports).
So if everyone goes balls to the wall on spending money they don't have, GDP grows massively.
But is crippling credit card debt, business debt, and government debt, with massive export surpluses really a sign of a healthy economy and an improving standard of living? Hardly.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 30, 2025 12:35 PM (uCjyK)
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Wasn't that in regard to the huge drug/fentanyl bust ?
Posted by: It's me donna
Yes. But context doesn't matter.
Wasn't that in regard to the huge drug/fentanyl bust ?
Posted by: It's me donna
Yes. But context doesn't matter.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:36 PM (jGFTh)
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149 So if everyone goes balls to the wall on spending money they don't have, GDP grows massively.
But is crippling credit card debt, business debt, and government debt, with massive export surpluses really a sign of a healthy economy and an improving standard of living? Hardly.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 30, 2025 12:35 PM (uCjyK)
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GDP go up.
What else is there to know?
So easy, a journalist can do it.
But is crippling credit card debt, business debt, and government debt, with massive export surpluses really a sign of a healthy economy and an improving standard of living? Hardly.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 30, 2025 12:35 PM (uCjyK)
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GDP go up.
What else is there to know?
So easy, a journalist can do it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:36 PM (GBKbO)
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(insert "caveman journalist" joke here)
Posted by: Francis at April 30, 2025 12:37 PM (bbuBP)
153
Yeah, Diesel is down. That's big. And no one is talking about it.
Yeah, Diesel is down. That's big. And no one is talking about it.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:37 PM (jGFTh)
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The decrease in government spending reflected a decrease in federal government spending
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because of a decrease in government spending?
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because of a decrease in government spending?
Posted by: wth at April 30, 2025 12:37 PM (v0R5T)
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Libs of TikTok
@libsoftiktok
BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
Another activist judge who wants to protect criminal illegals. Unreal
https://tinyurl.com/euaarmes
@libsoftiktok
BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
Another activist judge who wants to protect criminal illegals. Unreal
https://tinyurl.com/euaarmes
Posted by: redridinghood at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (NpAcC)
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“This is not a bill that is in any way going to help the American people. If Republicans wanted to put forward a bill that helps the American people, that actually cuts costs for Americans, that raises taxes so that the rich finally pay their fair share instead of getting giant tax breaks, then, sure, we would be interested in talking about that,” Jayapal said. “But that’s not the bill we have before us, Boris. So I think you can expect a wholesale opposition to cutting Medicaid, Social Security, Medicare, the Department of Education, everything that they are doing.”
The CNN host stepped in, however, to correct the congresswoman.
“Just to be precise, congresswoman, I believe that in that soundbite Elon Musk was talking about fraud in those entitlement programs being the big ones that they have to tackle. That’s what he said in that soundbite,” host Boris Sanchez said.
... is Jayapal saying at all of Medicaid, Social Security, Medicare, the Department of Education are a fraud ?
The CNN host stepped in, however, to correct the congresswoman.
“Just to be precise, congresswoman, I believe that in that soundbite Elon Musk was talking about fraud in those entitlement programs being the big ones that they have to tackle. That’s what he said in that soundbite,” host Boris Sanchez said.
... is Jayapal saying at all of Medicaid, Social Security, Medicare, the Department of Education are a fraud ?
Posted by: SMOD at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (RHGPo)
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Yeah, Diesel is down. That's big. And no one is talking about it.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:37 PM (jGFTh)
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Oil is at $59 a barrel.
It seems like no one is seeing a decrease in gas prices other than South Texas, though.
Yeah, Diesel is down. That's big. And no one is talking about it.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:37 PM (jGFTh)
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Oil is at $59 a barrel.
It seems like no one is seeing a decrease in gas prices other than South Texas, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (GBKbO)
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Yeah, Diesel is down. That's big. And no one is talking about it.
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What happened to Vin Diesel?
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What happened to Vin Diesel?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (Dv3i1)
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Yeah, Diesel is down. That's big. And no one is talking about it.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:37 PM (jGFTh)
He'll be back though. They are working on the final Fast and Furious movie rn.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:37 PM (jGFTh)
He'll be back though. They are working on the final Fast and Furious movie rn.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (MGB5H)
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BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
Seriously ?
BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
Seriously ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (VE6XX)
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158 Yeah, Diesel is down. That's big. And no one is talking about it.
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What happened to Vin Diesel?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (Dv3i1)
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Busy begging Universal to greenlight another Fast and Furious movie.
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What happened to Vin Diesel?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (Dv3i1)
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Busy begging Universal to greenlight another Fast and Furious movie.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:39 PM (GBKbO)
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BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
Seriously ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (VE6XX)
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This order will not be followed.
BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
Seriously ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (VE6XX)
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This order will not be followed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:39 PM (GBKbO)
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Yeah, Diesel is down. That's big. And no one is talking about it.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:37 PM (jGFTh)
Prayers up for Mark Sinclair.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:37 PM (jGFTh)
Prayers up for Mark Sinclair.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:39 PM (l3YAf)
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Oil is at $59 a barrel.
It seems like no one is seeing a decrease in gas prices other than South Texas, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (GBKbO)
We are down week over week. Even for 100%.
It seems like no one is seeing a decrease in gas prices other than South Texas, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (GBKbO)
We are down week over week. Even for 100%.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:39 PM (MGB5H)
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In other news of an improving economy mortgage rates are 40 basis points lower than this week a year ago, according to CNBC
Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 30, 2025 12:39 PM (2KHP/)
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Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:30 PM (lFFaq)
Good here thanks. That's late for a fasting physical, ugh. Always good to see you popping around.
Good here thanks. That's late for a fasting physical, ugh. Always good to see you popping around.
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:39 PM (M/gGe)
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is Jayapal saying at all of Medicaid, Social Security, Medicare, the Department of Education are a fraud ?
Posted by: SMOD at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (RHGPo)
That's probably closer to the truth than the "there is no fraud anywhere, unfortunately the only place to find cuts is by making the plebes work until they're 72 before they can retire" argument.
Posted by: SMOD at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (RHGPo)
That's probably closer to the truth than the "there is no fraud anywhere, unfortunately the only place to find cuts is by making the plebes work until they're 72 before they can retire" argument.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 30, 2025 12:39 PM (uCjyK)
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164 We are down week over week. Even for 100%.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:39 PM (MGB5H)
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OKLAHOMA!!!!
I've seen a slight decrease in my little corner of NC, but it really should be about $2, not $2.85.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:39 PM (MGB5H)
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OKLAHOMA!!!!
I've seen a slight decrease in my little corner of NC, but it really should be about $2, not $2.85.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:40 PM (GBKbO)
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Re: "The decline was driven by a large surge in imports, which are a subtraction in the calculation of GDP.”
Misleading at best. Spending on imports shows up in the accounts for domestic consumption. So they are subtracted on the right side of the national-income-accounts equation — Y = C+I+G +/- (X-M) — to correct numbers to reflect DOMESTIC production, as in GDP. You could look it up ...
Misleading at best. Spending on imports shows up in the accounts for domestic consumption. So they are subtracted on the right side of the national-income-accounts equation — Y = C+I+G +/- (X-M) — to correct numbers to reflect DOMESTIC production, as in GDP. You could look it up ...
Posted by: Axel Kassel at April 30, 2025 12:40 PM (fu730)
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Yeah, Diesel is down. That's big. And no one is talking about it.
Yeah, diesel factors into the price of almost everything else. The media doesn't know that, because everyone they know has an electric car.
Yeah, diesel factors into the price of almost everything else. The media doesn't know that, because everyone they know has an electric car.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 30, 2025 12:40 PM (QZThv)
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BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
I'm no legal illuminary but even I know this is the most absurd ruling yet.
BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
I'm no legal illuminary but even I know this is the most absurd ruling yet.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:40 PM (jGFTh)
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This order will not be followed.
If Trump obeys this one ? Piss on the fire and call in the dogs.
If Trump obeys this one ? Piss on the fire and call in the dogs.
Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson at April 30, 2025 12:40 PM (McYvC)
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We have secretly replaced Joe's regular coffee with hurricane harvested Florida grown beans. Let's see if he notices.
*Spit..
"Da fuk is this?"
*Spit..
"Da fuk is this?"
Posted by: Reforger at April 30, 2025 12:40 PM (xcIvR)
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Again it is funny that tariffs are the one tax that doesn't fall completely on US taxpayers and yet NOW this is a tax the left is claiming US taxpayers are paying.
Well, yeah, but now let's talk about ending the income tax ok? Once we get rid of all the other taxes we pay THEN we can talk about getting rid of the tariffs...
Well, yeah, but now let's talk about ending the income tax ok? Once we get rid of all the other taxes we pay THEN we can talk about getting rid of the tariffs...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2025 12:40 PM (t0Rmr)
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Is that how the judiciary works now? They have gone from idiot activists to literal overlords of everything?
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:40 PM (M/gGe)
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Imports surged at an annualized rate of 41.3% in the first quarter as companies front-loaded orders ahead of anticipated tariffs
Hold on here. Are you saying that imports *hurt* our GDP numbers? Are you saying that next quarters numbers, with even less importing than normal, are going to be fantastic?
Well, I voted for it, so I'm not actually surprised.
Hold on here. Are you saying that imports *hurt* our GDP numbers? Are you saying that next quarters numbers, with even less importing than normal, are going to be fantastic?
Well, I voted for it, so I'm not actually surprised.
Posted by: t-bird at April 30, 2025 12:40 PM (yLThl)
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174 Again it is funny that tariffs are the one tax that doesn't fall completely on US taxpayers and yet NOW this is a tax the left is claiming US taxpayers are paying.
Well, yeah, but now let's talk about ending the income tax ok? Once we get rid of all the other taxes we pay THEN we can talk about getting rid of the tariffs...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2025 12:40 PM (t0Rmr)
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"Tariffs are big government!"
Well, yeah, but now let's talk about ending the income tax ok? Once we get rid of all the other taxes we pay THEN we can talk about getting rid of the tariffs...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2025 12:40 PM (t0Rmr)
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"Tariffs are big government!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:41 PM (GBKbO)
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Under the new rules for the economy, as updated by the same unnamed people who brought us Joe - Kamala 2020, I think this means we have whizzed right past Recession, gave Depression a drive-by and parked in "The End of Western Civilization as We Know It!"
Posted by: JB1000 at April 30, 2025 12:41 PM (U0iyS)
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Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 30, 2025 12:27 PM (S4ZTs)
I wasn't using quotes. I was using asterisks for emphasis. Pre-tariff stockpiling makes sense.
I wasn't using quotes. I was using asterisks for emphasis. Pre-tariff stockpiling makes sense.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:41 PM (lFFaq)
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130 It is clear now that interest rates are shockingly high, and need to come down
Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (aAsRy)
No they're not. A solid 4-5% interest rate is preferred much more than 1-2%.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (aAsRy)
No they're not. A solid 4-5% interest rate is preferred much more than 1-2%.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 30, 2025 12:41 PM (g8Ew8)
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It's intended to reverse 40 years of regulatory bloat in the US. We'll have a huge competitive advantage over the EU. We only need to keep the lights on.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 30, 2025 12:09 PM (Gqoy+)
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:24 PM (M/gGe)
Regulatory "bloat" was a lot smaller in January 2021. Then Barry III Term resumed and reversed all of President Trump's (45) deregulation EOs. Return of the Bloat. Congress needs to get off the dime and enact the President's deregulation EOs to give this country a fighting chance to survive and thrive.
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 30, 2025 12:09 PM (Gqoy+)
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:24 PM (M/gGe)
Regulatory "bloat" was a lot smaller in January 2021. Then Barry III Term resumed and reversed all of President Trump's (45) deregulation EOs. Return of the Bloat. Congress needs to get off the dime and enact the President's deregulation EOs to give this country a fighting chance to survive and thrive.
Posted by: mrp at April 30, 2025 12:41 PM (rj6Yv)
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OKLAHOMA!!!!
I've seen a slight decrease in my little corner of NC, but it really should be about $2, not $2.85.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:40 PM (GBKbO)
Ya we probably should be under 3$ for 100%. But keep hovering just over. Crappy E85 is under 3$ by quite a bit.
I've seen a slight decrease in my little corner of NC, but it really should be about $2, not $2.85.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:40 PM (GBKbO)
Ya we probably should be under 3$ for 100%. But keep hovering just over. Crappy E85 is under 3$ by quite a bit.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:42 PM (MGB5H)
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BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
Can some illegals break into her house at 4 AM and then tell her she can't call the cops without a warrant? Asking for an entire nation.
Can some illegals break into her house at 4 AM and then tell her she can't call the cops without a warrant? Asking for an entire nation.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 30, 2025 12:42 PM (QZThv)
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BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
Another activist judge who wants to protect criminal illegals. Unreal
https://tinyurl.com/euaarmes
Posted by: redridinghood at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (NpAcC)
I'm gpmma bet Jennifer's friend was asked to the prom by the boy Jennifer wanted to go go toe the prom sith, already bought her dress and everything.
BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
Another activist judge who wants to protect criminal illegals. Unreal
https://tinyurl.com/euaarmes
Posted by: redridinghood at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (NpAcC)
I'm gpmma bet Jennifer's friend was asked to the prom by the boy Jennifer wanted to go go toe the prom sith, already bought her dress and everything.
Posted by: Eromero at April 30, 2025 12:42 PM (LHPAg)
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Oh another reason the left is freaking out about tariffs is that as a form of sales tax they are hard to evade in the sense leftists avoid other taxes (either as members of the welfare class or the governing class). Yes, you can choose to buy domestic products, but when you want to buy those chic assless chaps made by slaves in China, well, Trump's gonna tax you.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2025 12:42 PM (t0Rmr)
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Can't wait until the UK blocks out the sun.
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As I said recently: that bullshit is justification for a nuclear first-strike threat -- and ultimately -- deterrent.
Fuck the EuroWeenie GloboHomo Nihilistic Satanic Suicidal Death Cult ...
* spit *
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As I said recently: that bullshit is justification for a nuclear first-strike threat -- and ultimately -- deterrent.
Fuck the EuroWeenie GloboHomo Nihilistic Satanic Suicidal Death Cult ...
* spit *
Posted by: ShainS at April 30, 2025 12:42 PM (CbFrP)
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"Tariffs are big government!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:41 PM (GBKbO)
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First time in recorded history a Democrat found a tax they were against.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:41 PM (GBKbO)
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First time in recorded history a Democrat found a tax they were against.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:42 PM (tT6L1)
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BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
How about a Juan Doe warrant?
BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
How about a Juan Doe warrant?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 30, 2025 12:43 PM (63Dwl)
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187 "Tariffs are big government!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:41 PM (GBKbO)
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First time in recorded history a Democrat found a tax they were against.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:42 PM (tT6L1)
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And they'll be screaming about how keeping lower taxes on the middle class through extension of the Trump tax cuts will only hurt the government by depriving it of revenue.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:41 PM (GBKbO)
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First time in recorded history a Democrat found a tax they were against.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:42 PM (tT6L1)
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And they'll be screaming about how keeping lower taxes on the middle class through extension of the Trump tax cuts will only hurt the government by depriving it of revenue.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:43 PM (GBKbO)
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Oil is at $59 a barrel.
It seems like no one is seeing a decrease in gas prices other than South Texas, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (GBKbO)
We are down week over week. Even for 100%.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:39 PM (MGB5H)
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Hilariously, CNBC was fretting yesterday that oul prices are too low and big integrated oil producers aren't making enough profit. Elizabeth Warren, she who wanted to charge extra taxes to oil companies for profiteering, had no comment.
It seems like no one is seeing a decrease in gas prices other than South Texas, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (GBKbO)
We are down week over week. Even for 100%.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:39 PM (MGB5H)
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Hilariously, CNBC was fretting yesterday that oul prices are too low and big integrated oil producers aren't making enough profit. Elizabeth Warren, she who wanted to charge extra taxes to oil companies for profiteering, had no comment.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 30, 2025 12:43 PM (2KHP/)
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I've seen a slight decrease in my little corner of NC, but it really should be about $2, not $2.85.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:40 PM (GBKbO)
I do believe I read that the SPR is being re-filled at a break-neck pace.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:40 PM (GBKbO)
I do believe I read that the SPR is being re-filled at a break-neck pace.
Posted by: mrp at April 30, 2025 12:43 PM (rj6Yv)
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188
BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
Okay Jennifer how about we just shoot them ?
BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
Okay Jennifer how about we just shoot them ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30, 2025 12:43 PM (VE6XX)
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BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
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Except they don't. It's an admin issue not a legal issue.
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Except they don't. It's an admin issue not a legal issue.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:44 PM (MGB5H)
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"Tariffs are big government!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:41 PM (GBKbO)
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First time in recorded history a Democrat found a tax they were against.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:42 PM (tT6L1)
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And they'll be screaming about how keeping lower taxes on the middle class through extension of the Trump tax cuts will only hurt the government by depriving it of revenue.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:43 PM (GBKbO)
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Remember, tax cuts must be paid for.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:41 PM (GBKbO)
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First time in recorded history a Democrat found a tax they were against.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:42 PM (tT6L1)
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And they'll be screaming about how keeping lower taxes on the middle class through extension of the Trump tax cuts will only hurt the government by depriving it of revenue.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:43 PM (GBKbO)
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Remember, tax cuts must be paid for.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:44 PM (tT6L1)
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Again it is funny that tariffs are the one tax that doesn't fall completely on US taxpayers and yet NOW this is a tax the left is claiming US taxpayers are paying.
Well, yeah, but now let's talk about ending the income tax ok? Once we get rid of all the other taxes we pay THEN we can talk about getting rid of the tariffs...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2025 12:40 PM (t0Rmr)
The talking points are aimed at the LIVs, not us.
Obviously nearly everything government does is some kind of indirect or direct tax on someone.
They're just trying to trick the dummies.
Well, yeah, but now let's talk about ending the income tax ok? Once we get rid of all the other taxes we pay THEN we can talk about getting rid of the tariffs...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2025 12:40 PM (t0Rmr)
The talking points are aimed at the LIVs, not us.
Obviously nearly everything government does is some kind of indirect or direct tax on someone.
They're just trying to trick the dummies.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 30, 2025 12:44 PM (uCjyK)
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194 Remember, tax cuts must be paid for.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:44 PM (tT6L1)
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With tariffs?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:44 PM (tT6L1)
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With tariffs?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:44 PM (GBKbO)
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Don't know much about markets but I call BS on some of the news & think it's generated by some sulking & Resistance!
>Who owns BSH? Booz Allen Hamilton is a publicly traded company, and its stock is owned by institutional and individual investors. Major institutional shareholders include Vanguard Group, BlackRock, and T. Rowe Price Associates. Carlyle Group previously held a significant stake, but not as of Mar. 12, 2025. The company is structured as a holding corporation with the parent company, Booz Allen Hamilton Holding Corporation, controlling Booz Allen Hamilton Inc.
Oh, the Carlyle Group but not as of 3/23/25.
Co-CEO of Carlyle, David Rubenstein, who has "donated substantial sums of money and loaned rare historical documents to agencies like the National Archives, National Museum of African American History and Culture, and the Library of Congress. He has also served on the boards of the Kennedy Center and the Smithsonian."
The David M. Rubenstein Gallery, a prominent exhibition space within the National Archives Museum.
Housed the Bidens
>FNN, GSA ‘unimpressed,’ insulted by consulting* companies’ efforts to cut spending, Apr 17, '25.
*Some with USAID, too.
>Who owns BSH? Booz Allen Hamilton is a publicly traded company, and its stock is owned by institutional and individual investors. Major institutional shareholders include Vanguard Group, BlackRock, and T. Rowe Price Associates. Carlyle Group previously held a significant stake, but not as of Mar. 12, 2025. The company is structured as a holding corporation with the parent company, Booz Allen Hamilton Holding Corporation, controlling Booz Allen Hamilton Inc.
Oh, the Carlyle Group but not as of 3/23/25.
Co-CEO of Carlyle, David Rubenstein, who has "donated substantial sums of money and loaned rare historical documents to agencies like the National Archives, National Museum of African American History and Culture, and the Library of Congress. He has also served on the boards of the Kennedy Center and the Smithsonian."
The David M. Rubenstein Gallery, a prominent exhibition space within the National Archives Museum.
Housed the Bidens
>FNN, GSA ‘unimpressed,’ insulted by consulting* companies’ efforts to cut spending, Apr 17, '25.
*Some with USAID, too.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at April 30, 2025 12:44 PM (NFX2v)
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Dems used to love taxes and Russia.
Posted by: Francis at April 30, 2025 12:45 PM (bbuBP)
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Remember these same judges want citizens arrested for the wrong political speech.
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:45 PM (M/gGe)
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@9
>>Gee, I wonder if that had anything to do with the GDP shrinking.
You have to remember that the entire economic order is predicated and undergirded by the assumption of never ending growth, anything else is calamity.
>>Gee, I wonder if that had anything to do with the GDP shrinking.
You have to remember that the entire economic order is predicated and undergirded by the assumption of never ending growth, anything else is calamity.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 30, 2025 12:45 PM (XV/Pl)
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Democrats opposed tariffs in 1860, too.
Posted by: mrp at April 30, 2025 12:45 PM (rj6Yv)
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199 Remember these same judges want citizens arrested for the wrong political speech.
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:45 PM (M/gGe)
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Or not wearing a mask.
Or not getting jabbed.
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:45 PM (M/gGe)
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Or not wearing a mask.
Or not getting jabbed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:45 PM (GBKbO)
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Can't wait until the UK blocks out the sun.
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In UK parliament, opposition asked the question, why are we building all these solar farms and at the same time experimenting on blocking the sun?
The response was, the opposition has no plan to tackle the climate emergency. Zing!
Posted by: Chuck Martel
Blackouts. It's what's for dinner.
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In UK parliament, opposition asked the question, why are we building all these solar farms and at the same time experimenting on blocking the sun?
The response was, the opposition has no plan to tackle the climate emergency. Zing!
Posted by: Chuck Martel
Blackouts. It's what's for dinner.
Posted by: EU at April 30, 2025 12:46 PM (v0R5T)
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"A California judge on Tuesday demanded Border Patrol agents allow people they think are living in the U.S. illegally to stay in the country, unless authorities have a warrant or reason to believe the person may flee before they can get a warrant."
Ooo, I believe I see some wiggle room for CBP there.
Ooo, I believe I see some wiggle room for CBP there.
Posted by: one hour sober at April 30, 2025 12:46 PM (Y1sOo)
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Yeah, Diesel is down. That's big. And no one is talking about it.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:37 PM (jGFTh)
Diesel down will bring *all* the other prices down.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:37 PM (jGFTh)
Diesel down will bring *all* the other prices down.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 12:46 PM (lFFaq)
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Are we sure Trump knows what he's doing? I mean, this has got to be another one of those 4D chess moves he's so famous for right? Only the Left is brainwashed, right?
Right?
Right?
Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at April 30, 2025 12:46 PM (ERYKL)
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Okay Jennifer how about we just shoot them ?
The president has complete authority to order the military and any other parts of the executive branch to do so. Just like in 1942.
The president has complete authority to order the military and any other parts of the executive branch to do so. Just like in 1942.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2025 12:46 PM (t0Rmr)
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Can't wait until the UK blocks out the sun.
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Have they called in Montgomery Burns to consult?
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Have they called in Montgomery Burns to consult?
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:46 PM (MGB5H)
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Remember, tax cuts must be paid for.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:44 PM (tT6L1)
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With tariffs?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:44 PM (GBKbO)
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I'm going play the #orangemanbad card.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:44 PM (tT6L1)
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With tariffs?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:44 PM (GBKbO)
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I'm going play the #orangemanbad card.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:46 PM (tT6L1)
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185 Oh another reason the left is freaking out about tariffs is that as a form of sales tax they are hard to evade in the sense leftists avoid other taxes (either as members of the welfare class or the governing class). Yes, you can choose to buy domestic products, but when you want to buy those chic assless chaps made by slaves in China, well, Trump's gonna tax you.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2025 12:42 PM (t0Rmr)
It's major financial players (banks, etc.) and major exporters (Boeing, John Deere, etc.) who are against tariffs.
They're just using their propaganda organs to convince the LIV's to be against tariffs, too.
Fortunately, the Deep States propaganda organs are much less effective in 2025 than they were in 1975 or whatever.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2025 12:42 PM (t0Rmr)
It's major financial players (banks, etc.) and major exporters (Boeing, John Deere, etc.) who are against tariffs.
They're just using their propaganda organs to convince the LIV's to be against tariffs, too.
Fortunately, the Deep States propaganda organs are much less effective in 2025 than they were in 1975 or whatever.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 30, 2025 12:47 PM (uCjyK)
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If the UK blocked out their sun, would anybody in the UK notice?
Posted by: their weather is shitty all the time anyway at April 30, 2025 12:47 PM (v0R5T)
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It's GNS, Gross National Spending. Spending is at best a 2nd derivative of output. It says nothing about the quality of that spending, how much went to future investment, etc. It only aggregates the total amount.
Posted by: Kindltot
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True. There is actually an alternative way to figure GDP that is not used because the data to calculate it is much more involved.
For the most part, macroeconomics as in cause-effect relationships is problematic enough due to 2nd, 3rd, etc order effects, that other measures are probably better to calculate national well being.
Rousseau was a stone cold bastard and proto Commie, but his measurement of good economic policy was basically where the people in general were wealthier, healthier, and lived longer plus positive growth in the native population aka babies.
But, like most things, we are stuck with GDP simply because there is no other generally accepted measure worldwide in macroeconomics.
Posted by: Kindltot
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True. There is actually an alternative way to figure GDP that is not used because the data to calculate it is much more involved.
For the most part, macroeconomics as in cause-effect relationships is problematic enough due to 2nd, 3rd, etc order effects, that other measures are probably better to calculate national well being.
Rousseau was a stone cold bastard and proto Commie, but his measurement of good economic policy was basically where the people in general were wealthier, healthier, and lived longer plus positive growth in the native population aka babies.
But, like most things, we are stuck with GDP simply because there is no other generally accepted measure worldwide in macroeconomics.
Posted by: whig at April 30, 2025 12:48 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:48 PM (wRO3a)
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Remember these same judges want citizens arrested for the wrong political speech.
And we will uphold that decision - as well as our pensions.
And we will uphold that decision - as well as our pensions.
Posted by: The Blue ... Back Us !!! at April 30, 2025 12:48 PM (McYvC)
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No they're not. A solid 4-5% interest rate is preferred much more than 1-2%.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 30, 2025 12:41 PM (g8Ew
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Agreed. Incentives and encourages more Savings and less Borrowing Beyond Means ...
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 30, 2025 12:41 PM (g8Ew
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Agreed. Incentives and encourages more Savings and less Borrowing Beyond Means ...
Posted by: ShainS at April 30, 2025 12:48 PM (CbFrP)
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So the Maryland dad didn't have knuckle tattoos ? So Knucklegate ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30, 2025 12:48 PM (VE6XX)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 30, 2025 12:48 PM (Zz0t1)
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GDP down. The walls are closing in. Resignation imminent.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (MGB5H)
You forgot "Bombshell!" and "Beginning of the end!"
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (MGB5H)
You forgot "Bombshell!" and "Beginning of the end!"
Posted by: Doof at April 30, 2025 12:48 PM (vf0Y9)
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Only the Left is brainwashed, right?
Right?
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Exactly. We should have voted for Kamala. Or lost with honor with DeSantis.
Right?
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Exactly. We should have voted for Kamala. Or lost with honor with DeSantis.
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:49 PM (M/gGe)
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I read that it was ordered by a judge, not that it was done. Maybe more has happened?
Just watched a video of the dirtbag strutting around outside the court.
https://youtu.be/Qo9c7cu42aE
Just watched a video of the dirtbag strutting around outside the court.
https://youtu.be/Qo9c7cu42aE
Posted by: Halfhand at April 30, 2025 12:49 PM (GLzsD)
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If the UK blocked out their sun, would anybody in the UK notice?
Posted by: their weather is shitty all the time anyway at April 30, 2025 12:47 PM (v0R5T)
It's the 'misery loves company' method.
If the UK sucks, so should the rest of the world. They've been trying to take it over since their inception.
Posted by: their weather is shitty all the time anyway at April 30, 2025 12:47 PM (v0R5T)
It's the 'misery loves company' method.
If the UK sucks, so should the rest of the world. They've been trying to take it over since their inception.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 30, 2025 12:49 PM (Zz0t1)
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Last time Trump was elected, the economy went off like a skyrocket first quarter, so its pretty clear that the tariff stuff has hindered things, which was pretty predictable and predicted by many. Its okay, they will pick up over time and be even better off, if he can get countries to drop their tariffs some.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 30, 2025 12:49 PM (2VST1)
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Thurston is a Biden appointee.
Posted by: mrp at April 30, 2025 12:49 PM (rj6Yv)
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219 Only the Left is brainwashed, right?
Right?
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Exactly. We should have voted for Kamala. Or lost with honor with DeSantis.
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:49 PM (M/gGe)
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Reading numbers below the topline is brainwashing.
Don't do that.
Just know GDP go down is bad.
Right?
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Exactly. We should have voted for Kamala. Or lost with honor with DeSantis.
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:49 PM (M/gGe)
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Reading numbers below the topline is brainwashing.
Don't do that.
Just know GDP go down is bad.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:49 PM (GBKbO)
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First time in recorded history a Democrat found a tax they were against.
Posted by: blake
That can only mean that it's exactly the right one.
Posted by: blake
That can only mean that it's exactly the right one.
Posted by: t-bird at April 30, 2025 12:49 PM (Xm4LY)
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GDP down. The walls are closing in. Resignation imminent.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (MGB5H)
You forgot "Bombshell!" and "Beginning of the end!"
Posted by: Doof at April 30, 2025 12:48 PM (vf0Y9)
Hot singles in your area waiting to meet you.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:32 PM (MGB5H)
You forgot "Bombshell!" and "Beginning of the end!"
Posted by: Doof at April 30, 2025 12:48 PM (vf0Y9)
Hot singles in your area waiting to meet you.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:50 PM (MGB5H)
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What’s wrong with buying Kona coffee or the like? Hawaiian coffee is good coffee. In a sense it is imported in that it has to shipped from Hawaii to the mainland. It is not subject to tariffs, unlike, say Jamaican coffee.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 30, 2025 12:50 PM (sagpo)
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Just watched a video of the dirtbag strutting around outside the court.
https://youtu.be/Qo9c7cu42aE
Posted by: Halfhand at April 30, 2025 12:49 PM (GLzsD)
"Inconsistent with American values."
Um, that's not how the LAW works, you dumb c*nt.......
https://youtu.be/Qo9c7cu42aE
Posted by: Halfhand at April 30, 2025 12:49 PM (GLzsD)
"Inconsistent with American values."
Um, that's not how the LAW works, you dumb c*nt.......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 30, 2025 12:50 PM (Zz0t1)
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I could remove Maryland Dad's knuckle tattoos.
*sharpens axe*
*sharpens axe*
Posted by: wth at April 30, 2025 12:50 PM (v0R5T)
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BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
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The district courts have driven a super tanker of fuckery through the tiny opening, by that piss-yellow coward Roberts, of "minimal due process."
Completely ignoring that the statutes set out exactly and explicitly what that means.
And now the courts are illegally rewriting the laws to require full-fledged Constitutional criminal due process.
For illegal aliens!
Who never, ever had a right to be in this country!
He wrote that, "minimal due process," in his illegal Midnight Order on purpose.
Knowing damned full and well what would happen. Purposefully not referring to the statute in question.
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The district courts have driven a super tanker of fuckery through the tiny opening, by that piss-yellow coward Roberts, of "minimal due process."
Completely ignoring that the statutes set out exactly and explicitly what that means.
And now the courts are illegally rewriting the laws to require full-fledged Constitutional criminal due process.
For illegal aliens!
Who never, ever had a right to be in this country!
He wrote that, "minimal due process," in his illegal Midnight Order on purpose.
Knowing damned full and well what would happen. Purposefully not referring to the statute in question.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 30, 2025 12:50 PM (NwfFc)
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Fortunately, the Deep States propaganda organs are much less effective in 2025 than they were in 1975 or whatever.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 30, 2025 12:47 PM (uCjyK)
Are they? How the hell did Reagan win 49 states?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 30, 2025 12:47 PM (uCjyK)
Are they? How the hell did Reagan win 49 states?
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:50 PM (M/gGe)
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I had an idea, probably insane, the last thing the rest of the world wants is for the US to change how it calculates GDP, because the rest of world probably includes government spending in their GDP calculation.
If the US discards that and starts putting out numbers which are closer to reality, what does that due to the rest of the world with their accounting games?
If the US discards that and starts putting out numbers which are closer to reality, what does that due to the rest of the world with their accounting games?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:51 PM (tT6L1)
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210 185 Oh another reason the left is freaking out about tariffs is that as a form of sales tax they are hard to evade in the sense leftists avoid other taxes (either as members of the welfare class or the governing class). Yes, you can choose to buy domestic products, but when you want to buy those chic assless chaps made by slaves in China, well, Trump's gonna tax you.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2025 12:42 PM (t0Rmr)
It's major financial players (banks, etc.) and major exporters (Boeing, John Deere, etc.) who are against tariffs.
They're just using their propaganda organs to convince the LIV's to be against tariffs, too.
Fortunately, the Deep States propaganda organs are much less effective in 2025 than they were in 1975 or whatever.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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I consider both of these posts true. It is the Dems because income tax was a key measure to control the middle class and shape their behavior AND corporations (plus investors thereof) relying on offshoring are going to get hit.
Corporations and wealthy love a slave class or as close as they can get to one. And if they cannot get that here, they want to make it over there.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 30, 2025 12:42 PM (t0Rmr)
It's major financial players (banks, etc.) and major exporters (Boeing, John Deere, etc.) who are against tariffs.
They're just using their propaganda organs to convince the LIV's to be against tariffs, too.
Fortunately, the Deep States propaganda organs are much less effective in 2025 than they were in 1975 or whatever.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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I consider both of these posts true. It is the Dems because income tax was a key measure to control the middle class and shape their behavior AND corporations (plus investors thereof) relying on offshoring are going to get hit.
Corporations and wealthy love a slave class or as close as they can get to one. And if they cannot get that here, they want to make it over there.
Posted by: whig at April 30, 2025 12:51 PM (ctrM5)
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227 What’s wrong with buying Kona coffee or the like? Hawaiian coffee is good coffee. In a sense it is imported in that it has to shipped from Hawaii to the mainland. It is not subject to tariffs, unlike, say Jamaican coffee.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 30, 2025 12:50 PM (sagpo)
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It should be subject to tariffs.
We should give Hawaii back to the natives, let them assume their monarchy and then a genocidal cleansing of the islands of all whities.
For racial justice and democracy.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 30, 2025 12:50 PM (sagpo)
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It should be subject to tariffs.
We should give Hawaii back to the natives, let them assume their monarchy and then a genocidal cleansing of the islands of all whities.
For racial justice and democracy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:51 PM (GBKbO)
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0.3%. Three thousandths. What does that even mean in "real" terms. What are the error bars?
Posted by: Marooned at April 30, 2025 12:51 PM (kt8QE)
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230 BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
So the Border patrol would already have a warrant with Jose's name on it when he steps foot over the border ?
So the Border patrol would already have a warrant with Jose's name on it when he steps foot over the border ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30, 2025 12:52 PM (VE6XX)
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206 Are we sure Trump knows what he's doing? I mean, this has got to be another one of those 4D chess moves he's so famous for right? Only the Left is brainwashed, right?
Right?
Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at April 30, 2025 12:46 PM (ERYKL)
What is Trump doing that is a 4D chess move here?
This is just a campaign promise that he's following through on.
Shifting production from China to the US will obviously negatively impact GDP numbers. We all knew that going in to it. A trade war will also negatively impact both our exports and imports.
That's kind of the goal here if you haven't been paying attention.
We want GDP to drop as spending across government, consumers, and businesses are reduced because we're reigning in cheap money that leads to inflation and we're on-shoring industries. That will mean a stronger dollar and stronger middle class. Since we're the worlds reserve currency, that will mean we export less. With tariffs, we import less. We create massive industry growth in the US, which leads to a more prosperous middle class, and the only ones hurt in this deal are Wall Street bankers and export-heavy industries like airplane manufacturing.
Right?
Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at April 30, 2025 12:46 PM (ERYKL)
What is Trump doing that is a 4D chess move here?
This is just a campaign promise that he's following through on.
Shifting production from China to the US will obviously negatively impact GDP numbers. We all knew that going in to it. A trade war will also negatively impact both our exports and imports.
That's kind of the goal here if you haven't been paying attention.
We want GDP to drop as spending across government, consumers, and businesses are reduced because we're reigning in cheap money that leads to inflation and we're on-shoring industries. That will mean a stronger dollar and stronger middle class. Since we're the worlds reserve currency, that will mean we export less. With tariffs, we import less. We create massive industry growth in the US, which leads to a more prosperous middle class, and the only ones hurt in this deal are Wall Street bankers and export-heavy industries like airplane manufacturing.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 30, 2025 12:52 PM (uCjyK)
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We're missing the real news........
Trump fired Doug Emhoff from the Holocaust Memorial. Trump hates Jews and is a holocaust denier and the Memorial will not survive such an atrocity.
Trump fired Doug Emhoff from the Holocaust Memorial. Trump hates Jews and is a holocaust denier and the Memorial will not survive such an atrocity.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 30, 2025 12:52 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:52 PM (wRO3a)
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Border patrol needs a Warrant to arrest illegals?
What in the actual fuck.
What in the actual fuck.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 30, 2025 12:52 PM (S4ZTs)
241
Howard Lutnick told CNBC last night that the first trade deal has been signed, but the US is awaiting that country's legislative body to give its approval.
Posted by: mrp at April 30, 2025 12:52 PM (rj6Yv)
242
232 I had an idea, probably insane, the last thing the rest of the world wants is for the US to change how it calculates GDP, because the rest of world probably includes government spending in their GDP calculation.
If the US discards that and starts putting out numbers which are closer to reality, what does that due to the rest of the world with their accounting games?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:51 PM (tT6L1)
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A proposal:
GDP
and
GDP + G
The first is a new measure, Consumer spending + Business investments (spending) + (Exports - Imports).
The second is the old measure, Consumer spending + Business investments (spending) + Government spending + (Exports - Imports)
If the US discards that and starts putting out numbers which are closer to reality, what does that due to the rest of the world with their accounting games?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:51 PM (tT6L1)
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A proposal:
GDP
and
GDP + G
The first is a new measure, Consumer spending + Business investments (spending) + (Exports - Imports).
The second is the old measure, Consumer spending + Business investments (spending) + Government spending + (Exports - Imports)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:53 PM (GBKbO)
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Hot singles in your area waiting to meet you.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:50 PM (MGB5H)
Giggity!
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:50 PM (MGB5H)
Giggity!
Posted by: Doof at April 30, 2025 12:53 PM (vf0Y9)
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Who are the people who sit and wait around for bad headlines to "prove" they really were right all along about Trump? What else do they do with their lives?
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:53 PM (M/gGe)
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Breaking News! this just in:
Secretary of the DOE Linda McMahon throws down on ABC reporter at Trumps televised Cabinet meeting.
McMahon tears off her suit jacket and whacks reporter from behind with a folding chair.
McMahon quoted as saying" OH YEAHHHHH!!! Take that bitch"!!
Secretary of the DOE Linda McMahon throws down on ABC reporter at Trumps televised Cabinet meeting.
McMahon tears off her suit jacket and whacks reporter from behind with a folding chair.
McMahon quoted as saying" OH YEAHHHHH!!! Take that bitch"!!
Posted by: I was Gumby Damn It! at April 30, 2025 12:53 PM (r3F/z)
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It should be subject to tariffs.
We should give Hawaii back to the natives, let them assume their monarchy and then a genocidal cleansing of the islands of all whities.
For racial justice and democracy.
*****
Can we then re-annex it after they all starve in about 10-15 years? Or do we have to fight China for it?
We should give Hawaii back to the natives, let them assume their monarchy and then a genocidal cleansing of the islands of all whities.
For racial justice and democracy.
*****
Can we then re-annex it after they all starve in about 10-15 years? Or do we have to fight China for it?
Posted by: FrozenTech at April 30, 2025 12:53 PM (Q6XEv)
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So the Border patrol would already have a warrant with Jose's name on it when he steps foot over the border ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30, 2025 12:52 PM (VE6XX)
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I'm trying to wrap my brain around the idea of having a warrant for someone who's here illegally, and, most likely, has rather sketchy documentation.
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30, 2025 12:52 PM (VE6XX)
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I'm trying to wrap my brain around the idea of having a warrant for someone who's here illegally, and, most likely, has rather sketchy documentation.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:53 PM (tT6L1)
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It'll get worse before it gets better.
Posted by: Dalton at April 30, 2025 12:53 PM (DF5Vx)
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What’s wrong with buying Kona coffee or the like? Hawaiian coffee is good coffee. In a sense it is imported in that it has to shipped from Hawaii to the mainland. It is not subject to tariffs, unlike, say Jamaican coffee.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 30, 2025 12:50 PM (sagpo)
There’s nothing wrong with it, there’s just a very limited supply and it’s already a premium coffee. A lot of “Kona” coffee is only 10% Kona to keep the price manageable.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 30, 2025 12:50 PM (sagpo)
There’s nothing wrong with it, there’s just a very limited supply and it’s already a premium coffee. A lot of “Kona” coffee is only 10% Kona to keep the price manageable.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 12:54 PM (l3YAf)
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Can we then re-annex it after they all starve in about 10-15 years? Or do we have to fight China for it?
oh they won't ALL starve
the small remaining population will be pretty aggressive tho
oh they won't ALL starve
the small remaining population will be pretty aggressive tho
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 30, 2025 12:54 PM (Pv3Rg)
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It should be subject to tariffs.
We should give Hawaii back to the natives, let them assume their monarchy and then a genocidal cleansing of the islands of all whities.
For racial justice and democracy.
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TJM, Hawaii is an Indian Reservation run by the Japanese for the benefit of DoD.
We should give Hawaii back to the natives, let them assume their monarchy and then a genocidal cleansing of the islands of all whities.
For racial justice and democracy.
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TJM, Hawaii is an Indian Reservation run by the Japanese for the benefit of DoD.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 30, 2025 12:54 PM (pZ64F)
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246 Can we then re-annex it after they all starve in about 10-15 years? Or do we have to fight China for it?
Posted by: FrozenTech at April 30, 2025 12:53 PM (Q6XEv)
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Their beaches suck. They produce nothing but pineapples.
Their only use is as a staging point for the Pacific Ocean.
Set up a cordon around it. Embargo it. And wait until they beg us for a Constitutional Republic again.
Posted by: FrozenTech at April 30, 2025 12:53 PM (Q6XEv)
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Their beaches suck. They produce nothing but pineapples.
Their only use is as a staging point for the Pacific Ocean.
Set up a cordon around it. Embargo it. And wait until they beg us for a Constitutional Republic again.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:54 PM (GBKbO)
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I consider both of these posts true. It is the Dems because income tax was a key measure to control the middle class and shape their behavior AND corporations (plus investors thereof) relying on offshoring are going to get hit.
Corporations and wealthy love a slave class or as close as they can get to one. And if they cannot get that here, they want to make it over there.
Posted by: whig at April 30, 2025 12:51 PM (ctrM5)
That's fair.
Corporations and wealthy love a slave class or as close as they can get to one. And if they cannot get that here, they want to make it over there.
Posted by: whig at April 30, 2025 12:51 PM (ctrM5)
That's fair.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 30, 2025 12:54 PM (uCjyK)
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Trump fired Doug Emhoff from the Holocaust Memorial. Trump hates Jews and is a holocaust denier and the Memorial will not survive such an atrocity.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 30, 2025 12:52 PM (Zz0t1)
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The real reason Emhoff is mad it that he was in the chair barely long enough to get it warm, let alone get in on the graft train.
Trump fired Doug Emhoff from the Holocaust Memorial. Trump hates Jews and is a holocaust denier and the Memorial will not survive such an atrocity.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 30, 2025 12:52 PM (Zz0t1)
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The real reason Emhoff is mad it that he was in the chair barely long enough to get it warm, let alone get in on the graft train.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:55 PM (tT6L1)
255
232 I had an idea, probably insane, the last thing the rest of the world wants is for the US to change how it calculates GDP, because the rest of world probably includes government spending in their GDP calculation.
If the US discards that and starts putting out numbers which are closer to reality, what does that due to the rest of the world with their accounting games?
Posted by: blake
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Economists are more or less a guild which all its virtues and vices. One of the problems for rulers in the medieval world was forcing change on guilds
If the US discards that and starts putting out numbers which are closer to reality, what does that due to the rest of the world with their accounting games?
Posted by: blake
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Economists are more or less a guild which all its virtues and vices. One of the problems for rulers in the medieval world was forcing change on guilds
Posted by: whig at April 30, 2025 12:55 PM (ctrM5)
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Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 30, 2025 12:52 PM (uCjyK)
Honestly save the keystrokes you would be better off talking to your toaster.
Honestly save the keystrokes you would be better off talking to your toaster.
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:55 PM (M/gGe)
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> BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
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I don't think the law requires a warrant in this situation.
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I don't think the law requires a warrant in this situation.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 30, 2025 12:55 PM (Q4IgG)
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Requiring warrants to arrest illegals is just hilarious, this won't survive challenge. Justice Thomas has got to get the Supreme Court to handle these lesser courts, their jurisdiction, and the limits of their power finally and completely.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 30, 2025 12:55 PM (2VST1)
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The real reason Emhoff is mad it that he was in the chair barely long enough to get it warm, let alone get in on the graft train.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:55 PM (tT6L1)
Well that and that he has to carry around Kumala's purse.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:55 PM (tT6L1)
Well that and that he has to carry around Kumala's purse.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:56 PM (MGB5H)
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 30, 2025 12:56 PM (Pv3Rg)
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btw,
4,005 Days Since that French foreign minister fag predicted "500 days until climate chaos."
btw,
4,005 Days Since that French foreign minister fag predicted "500 days until climate chaos."
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:56 PM (O8Bjy)
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Remember, tax cuts must be paid for.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:44 PM (tT6L1)
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I love Trump's ideas of:
. on-shoring and Making Manufacturing Great Again!;
. a National Sovereign Wealth Fund;
. unleashing energy & mining production (parts of Wealth Fund?)
. very expensive golden visas for entrepreneurs; and
. a low-regulation and -tax business environment/ booming prosperous economy.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:44 PM (tT6L1)
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I love Trump's ideas of:
. on-shoring and Making Manufacturing Great Again!;
. a National Sovereign Wealth Fund;
. unleashing energy & mining production (parts of Wealth Fund?)
. very expensive golden visas for entrepreneurs; and
. a low-regulation and -tax business environment/ booming prosperous economy.
Posted by: ShainS at April 30, 2025 12:56 PM (CbFrP)
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190 Oil is at $59 a barrel.
It seems like no one is seeing a decrease in gas prices other than South Texas, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (GBKbO)
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So gas should be a dollar a gallon?
It seems like no one is seeing a decrease in gas prices other than South Texas, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (GBKbO)
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So gas should be a dollar a gallon?
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 30, 2025 12:56 PM (xzrfl)
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A warrant to arrest an illegal? It's a tax. Motion approved.
Posted by: John Roberts at April 30, 2025 12:57 PM (M/gGe)
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"Every suspected illegal alien we encounter is a threat to flee, therefore, we don't need a warrant before arresting them."
There. I just wrote the CBP response to the shitlib Biden judge.
There. I just wrote the CBP response to the shitlib Biden judge.
Posted by: one hour sober at April 30, 2025 12:57 PM (Y1sOo)
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Are they? How the hell did Reagan win 49 states?
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:50 PM (M/gGe)
You're asking the right questions.
But ultimately, I don't think the Deep State really cares who the president is. They have their preferences (Biden was perfect. A low IQ vegetable), but they do what they do regardless of who wins the election. Like Putin said in his Tucker Carlson interview (paraphrasing) -- he doesn't deal with US presidents, he deals with the CIA (deep state).
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:50 PM (M/gGe)
You're asking the right questions.
But ultimately, I don't think the Deep State really cares who the president is. They have their preferences (Biden was perfect. A low IQ vegetable), but they do what they do regardless of who wins the election. Like Putin said in his Tucker Carlson interview (paraphrasing) -- he doesn't deal with US presidents, he deals with the CIA (deep state).
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 30, 2025 12:57 PM (uCjyK)
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The real reason Emhoff is mad it that he was in the chair barely long enough to get it warm, let alone get in on the graft train.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:55 PM (tT6L1)
Well that and that he has to carry around Kumala's purse.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:56 PM (MGB5H)
I thought Emhoff and the other insider Dems were still awaiting Senate confirmation?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:55 PM (tT6L1)
Well that and that he has to carry around Kumala's purse.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:56 PM (MGB5H)
I thought Emhoff and the other insider Dems were still awaiting Senate confirmation?
Posted by: mrp at April 30, 2025 12:58 PM (rj6Yv)
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4,005 Days Since that French foreign minister fag predicted "500 days until climate chaos."
well not for lack of geo-engineering!
it's crazy over PA skies
I know they think they're cloud seeding to help us with rain but it doesn't seem to be working dummies
just like their SARS-II, their magic rain planes disappoint
well not for lack of geo-engineering!
it's crazy over PA skies
I know they think they're cloud seeding to help us with rain but it doesn't seem to be working dummies
just like their SARS-II, their magic rain planes disappoint
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 30, 2025 12:58 PM (Pv3Rg)
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btw,
4,005 Days Since that French foreign minister fag predicted "500 days until climate chaos."
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:56 PM (O8Bjy)
And 1,838 days since Ohio State beat Michigan.
4,005 Days Since that French foreign minister fag predicted "500 days until climate chaos."
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 12:56 PM (O8Bjy)
And 1,838 days since Ohio State beat Michigan.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:58 PM (MGB5H)
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263 So gas should be a dollar a gallon?
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 30, 2025 12:56 PM (xzrfl)
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$1.50?
Probably about half the national average or so.
But, SOR refilling, time from oil to gas through refineries, futures contracts, and individual gas stations clinging to higher prices, and it'll take some time. The drop was pretty quick.
The places to watch for lower prices will probably be wholesaler stores like Costco. They seem to have policies of selling certain items at precise margins which see their gas prices fall faster than others.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 30, 2025 12:56 PM (xzrfl)
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$1.50?
Probably about half the national average or so.
But, SOR refilling, time from oil to gas through refineries, futures contracts, and individual gas stations clinging to higher prices, and it'll take some time. The drop was pretty quick.
The places to watch for lower prices will probably be wholesaler stores like Costco. They seem to have policies of selling certain items at precise margins which see their gas prices fall faster than others.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:58 PM (GBKbO)
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The Gorilla Channel is having reruns of cage match fights from the UFC.
I find it encouraging that the gorilla population is committed to studying its adversary for the beatdown they are about to receive.
Prediction: 1 gorilla vs. 2 humans = mansplaining with weapons.
I find it encouraging that the gorilla population is committed to studying its adversary for the beatdown they are about to receive.
Prediction: 1 gorilla vs. 2 humans = mansplaining with weapons.
Posted by: Rev Wishbone at April 30, 2025 12:58 PM (fY84s)
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There's only a 10% tariff on Brazil.
They grow a lot of coffee there.
People are paying what?, $7 or $8 for a cup of coffee at Starbucks? I honestly don't know, I don't drink coffee, that's one habit I never picked up.
I think 10% on a cup that high is going to be barely noticeable.
Unless you're drinking that Kopi Luwak coffee that's run through some civet intestines first?
If that's the case you deserve the tax if you're paying $650 for 1kg of civet shit.
They grow a lot of coffee there.
People are paying what?, $7 or $8 for a cup of coffee at Starbucks? I honestly don't know, I don't drink coffee, that's one habit I never picked up.
I think 10% on a cup that high is going to be barely noticeable.
Unless you're drinking that Kopi Luwak coffee that's run through some civet intestines first?
If that's the case you deserve the tax if you're paying $650 for 1kg of civet shit.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at April 30, 2025 12:58 PM (6ydKt)
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in other news, Raiders of the Lost Ark was made in 1981 and took place in 1936 -- a 45 year difference. If it was made today, that would place the film in... 1980
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 30, 2025 12:58 PM (2VST1)
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TMJ, excellent post, and excellent idea about taking the G out of the traditional GDP calculation (or at least routinely reporting GDP with, and without, G spending).
If you subtract the (wildly, recklessly spendthrift) guvamint spending of the last 4 years (actually commencing with the reckless, disastrous "stimulus" during The Great Idiocy, for which Trump bears some responsibility), the dead-flat economy becomes easier to see. Same same for the employment figures - almost entirely guvamint hiring, and "health care" (= mostly guvamint hiring, in effect).
Yet look at the equities markets the last 4 years. Their relationship to underlying economic activity and overall economic health has been diminishing for years, but the transformation into little more than a side effect of monetary policy + government borrowing/spending is kind of stark.
If you subtract the (wildly, recklessly spendthrift) guvamint spending of the last 4 years (actually commencing with the reckless, disastrous "stimulus" during The Great Idiocy, for which Trump bears some responsibility), the dead-flat economy becomes easier to see. Same same for the employment figures - almost entirely guvamint hiring, and "health care" (= mostly guvamint hiring, in effect).
Yet look at the equities markets the last 4 years. Their relationship to underlying economic activity and overall economic health has been diminishing for years, but the transformation into little more than a side effect of monetary policy + government borrowing/spending is kind of stark.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 30, 2025 12:59 PM (1m82a)
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Coffee is only grown in one US state: Hawaii.
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Commercially? Yes.
However, there are currently some attempts to start growing coffee in the mountains of NC. Near Spruce Pine.
It's interesting as the altitude is correct and the summer temps aren't too high, as needed.
But, by my review, unless you're on the eastern side of the divide, you're still going to get winter temps too cold.
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Commercially? Yes.
However, there are currently some attempts to start growing coffee in the mountains of NC. Near Spruce Pine.
It's interesting as the altitude is correct and the summer temps aren't too high, as needed.
But, by my review, unless you're on the eastern side of the divide, you're still going to get winter temps too cold.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 30, 2025 12:59 PM (NwfFc)
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The real reason Emhoff is mad it that he was in the chair barely long enough to get it warm, let alone get in on the graft train.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:55 PM (tT6L1)
I don't disagree......
Read his statement.
https://is.gd/dNX5PV
The real reason Emhoff is mad it that he was in the chair barely long enough to get it warm, let alone get in on the graft train.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 12:55 PM (tT6L1)
I don't disagree......
Read his statement.
https://is.gd/dNX5PV
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 30, 2025 12:59 PM (Zz0t1)
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that's a GenX-only name
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 30, 2025 12:56 PM (Pv3Rg)
It's true. I think I had a crush on three different Jennifers at one point. I only approached one and she looked at me like I was a cockroach that had just crawled on her sandwich. Sort of soured me on the other two. She was a slut anyway.
that's a GenX-only name
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 30, 2025 12:56 PM (Pv3Rg)
It's true. I think I had a crush on three different Jennifers at one point. I only approached one and she looked at me like I was a cockroach that had just crawled on her sandwich. Sort of soured me on the other two. She was a slut anyway.
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:59 PM (M/gGe)
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Honestly save the keystrokes you would be better off talking to your toaster.
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:55 PM (M/gGe)
You don't want to get in an argument with my toaster. He's a real asshole. The dial may look like it says slightly toasted, but my toaster decides what that means based on his mood.
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:55 PM (M/gGe)
You don't want to get in an argument with my toaster. He's a real asshole. The dial may look like it says slightly toasted, but my toaster decides what that means based on his mood.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 30, 2025 01:00 PM (uCjyK)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 01:00 PM (O8Bjy)
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Yeah.. They did let that Hamas loving POS out and he said he's not afraid of Trump or his cabinet... We shall see...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30, 2025 01:00 PM (VE6XX)
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I don't think the law requires a warrant in this situation.
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She knows that.
They all know that.
That's why I say they are flat-out issuing illegal orders.
These are no more valid orders than if she ordered the President to assassinate Putin.
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She knows that.
They all know that.
That's why I say they are flat-out issuing illegal orders.
These are no more valid orders than if she ordered the President to assassinate Putin.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 30, 2025 01:01 PM (NwfFc)
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263 190 Oil is at $59 a barrel.
It seems like no one is seeing a decrease in gas prices other than South Texas, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (GBKbO)
Oil price per barrel is a leading indicator, which as I understand it, probably has a 3-6 month lag on pump prices.
If we can keep it where it is, prices should have fallen across the board by mid summer. I'm mostly hoping Nat Gas see's a hit so my heating prices for next winter go back down to pre-2021 numbers.
It seems like no one is seeing a decrease in gas prices other than South Texas, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 30, 2025 12:38 PM (GBKbO)
Oil price per barrel is a leading indicator, which as I understand it, probably has a 3-6 month lag on pump prices.
If we can keep it where it is, prices should have fallen across the board by mid summer. I'm mostly hoping Nat Gas see's a hit so my heating prices for next winter go back down to pre-2021 numbers.
Posted by: FrozenTech at April 30, 2025 01:01 PM (Q6XEv)
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And 1,838 days since Ohio State beat Michigan.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:58 PM (MGB5H)
What happens when UM's wins in 2021 to 2023 are vacated by the NCAA for cheating?
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 12:58 PM (MGB5H)
What happens when UM's wins in 2021 to 2023 are vacated by the NCAA for cheating?
Posted by: one hour sober at April 30, 2025 01:01 PM (Y1sOo)
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Requiring warrants to arrest illegals is just hilarious, this won't survive challenge.
If the administration waits for a challenge they've already lost. There is no work around if the executive wants to be equal to the judiciary - the executive must ignore the judiciary.
If the administration waits for a challenge they've already lost. There is no work around if the executive wants to be equal to the judiciary - the executive must ignore the judiciary.
Posted by: The Blue ... Back Us !!! at April 30, 2025 01:01 PM (McYvC)
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Read his statement.
https://is.gd/dNX5PV
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 30, 2025 12:59 PM (Zz0t1)
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The Shawn Spicer firing is reaping wonderful rewards.
https://is.gd/dNX5PV
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 30, 2025 12:59 PM (Zz0t1)
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The Shawn Spicer firing is reaping wonderful rewards.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 01:01 PM (tT6L1)
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What happens when UM's wins in 2021 to 2023 are vacated by the NCAA for cheating?
Posted by: one hour sober at April 30, 2025 01:01 PM (Y1sOo)
Ohio State still sucks.
What happens when UM's wins in 2021 to 2023 are vacated by the NCAA for cheating?
Posted by: one hour sober at April 30, 2025 01:01 PM (Y1sOo)
Ohio State still sucks.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 30, 2025 01:01 PM (Zz0t1)
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Yeah, and Young Frankenstein is 50 years old.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 01:00 PM (O8Bjy)
Not so young then.. The cast is all dead except Cloris Leachman I believe...
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 01:00 PM (O8Bjy)
Not so young then.. The cast is all dead except Cloris Leachman I believe...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30, 2025 01:01 PM (VE6XX)
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236 230 BREAKING: Jennifer Thurston, a U.S. District Judge, has issued an order BANNING Border Patrol from arresting suspected illegal aliens unless they have a warrant.
So the Border patrol would already have a warrant with Jose's name on it when he steps foot over the border ?
Posted by: It's me donna
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Her batshit YOLO ruling is going to get crushed probably via an emergency ruling by a higher court.
I hate to say it but for us, the more the judiciary shows its ass through these grossly unconstitutional temper tantrums disguised as rulings, the better right now.
So let the freak flag fly on idiot leftist judges, it will force Congress and a reluctant Scotus to pimp slap those judges including removing them arbitrarily from hearing cases regarding the subject matter. Bricker amendment.
So the Border patrol would already have a warrant with Jose's name on it when he steps foot over the border ?
Posted by: It's me donna
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Her batshit YOLO ruling is going to get crushed probably via an emergency ruling by a higher court.
I hate to say it but for us, the more the judiciary shows its ass through these grossly unconstitutional temper tantrums disguised as rulings, the better right now.
So let the freak flag fly on idiot leftist judges, it will force Congress and a reluctant Scotus to pimp slap those judges including removing them arbitrarily from hearing cases regarding the subject matter. Bricker amendment.
Posted by: whig at April 30, 2025 01:02 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 30, 2025 01:02 PM (2VST1)
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on her sandwich. Sort of soured me on the other two. She was a slut anyway.
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:59 PM (M/gGe)
uhhh, can I get her number ?
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:59 PM (M/gGe)
uhhh, can I get her number ?
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 30, 2025 01:02 PM (NtVYv)
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The Shawn Spicer firing is reaping wonderful rewards.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 01:01 PM (tT6L1)
#Winning
The Shawn Spicer firing is reaping wonderful rewards.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 01:01 PM (tT6L1)
#Winning
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 30, 2025 01:02 PM (Zz0t1)
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.3 = three tenths
.003 = three thousandths
.3 % = three tenths of one one-hundredth = 3 thousandths
.003 = three thousandths
.3 % = three tenths of one one-hundredth = 3 thousandths
Posted by: Oddbob at April 30, 2025 01:03 PM (/y8xj)
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I hate to say it but for us, the more the judiciary shows its ass through these grossly unconstitutional temper tantrums disguised as rulings, the better right now.
But they can keep doing it until someone smacks them down like the SCOTUS, which while Roberts has any say isn't gonna.
But they can keep doing it until someone smacks them down like the SCOTUS, which while Roberts has any say isn't gonna.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 30, 2025 01:03 PM (2VST1)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 01:03 PM (Cv27U)
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Breaking News! this just in:
Secretary of the DOE Linda McMahon throws down on ABC reporter at Trumps televised Cabinet meeting.
McMahon tears off her suit jacket and whacks reporter from behind with a folding chair.
McMahon quoted as saying" OH YEAHHHHH!!! Take that bitch"!!
Posted by: I was Gumby Damn It!
Yeah? Well, has she scored a Hegseth?
https://shorturl.at/CTPhY
Secretary of the DOE Linda McMahon throws down on ABC reporter at Trumps televised Cabinet meeting.
McMahon tears off her suit jacket and whacks reporter from behind with a folding chair.
McMahon quoted as saying" OH YEAHHHHH!!! Take that bitch"!!
Posted by: I was Gumby Damn It!
Yeah? Well, has she scored a Hegseth?
https://shorturl.at/CTPhY
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 30, 2025 01:03 PM (L/fGl)
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People are paying what?, $7 or $8 for a cup of coffee at Starbucks? I honestly don't know, I don't drink coffee, that's one habit I never picked up.
I think 10% on a cup that high is going to be barely noticeable.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at April 30, 2025 12:58 PM (6ydKt)
While I'm sure you can spend $7 or $8 on a Starbucks drink, a small black iced coffee at the starbucks near me in NYC is like $3.75 or something.
I think 10% on a cup that high is going to be barely noticeable.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at April 30, 2025 12:58 PM (6ydKt)
While I'm sure you can spend $7 or $8 on a Starbucks drink, a small black iced coffee at the starbucks near me in NYC is like $3.75 or something.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 30, 2025 01:03 PM (uCjyK)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 01:03 PM (Cv27U)
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uhhh, can I get her number ?
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 30, 2025 01:02 PM (NtVYv)
Was it the slut thing or looking at you like you're a cockroach. Because depending on your answer, I may have some other numbers. Have your Venmo handy.
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 30, 2025 01:02 PM (NtVYv)
Was it the slut thing or looking at you like you're a cockroach. Because depending on your answer, I may have some other numbers. Have your Venmo handy.
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 01:03 PM (M/gGe)
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Not so young then.. The cast is all dead except Cloris Leachman I believe...
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Cloris did a masterly performance in Bad Santa.
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Cloris did a masterly performance in Bad Santa.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 30, 2025 01:04 PM (pZ64F)
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The hottest Jennifer I ever knew was a millennial.
Posted by: Bulg at April 30, 2025 01:04 PM (77rzZ)
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Cloris Leachman is mort?
RIP
She was a great in Alice.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 01:03 PM (Cv27U)
Did not know that
Cloris Leachman is mort?
RIP
She was a great in Alice.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 01:03 PM (Cv27U)
Did not know that
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30, 2025 01:04 PM (VE6XX)
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noood
noood
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 30, 2025 01:04 PM (Cv27U)
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I do believe I read that the SPR is being re-filled at a break-neck pace.
Posted by: mrp at April 30, 2025 12:43 PM (rj6Yv)
That would be great.
Posted by: mrp at April 30, 2025 12:43 PM (rj6Yv)
That would be great.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 30, 2025 01:04 PM (lFFaq)
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Example of what might be lost:
NY Post, 'Chinese garment factories that supply Shein shut down amid Trump tariffs: ‘There are only risks to doing business with the US now’ By Ariel Zilber, Published April 21, 2025
Time Magazine, 'Shein Is the World’s Most Popular Fashion Brand—at a Huge Cost to Us All,' January 17, 2023
Cheap, non-sustainable, soon to be landfilled anyway. Buy wiser, keep longer.
>US-China trade tensions, particularly through tariffs, have impacted China's tilapia exports, especially to the United States, a major market for Chinese tilapia. These tariffs have increased costs for Chinese tilapia exports, potentially reducing competitiveness and impacting the livelihoods of tilapia farmers and processors.
But Tilapia farming in the U.S. is a growing industry, with farms located in various states, primarily in the South and Southwest, due to favorable climates.
NY Post, 'Chinese garment factories that supply Shein shut down amid Trump tariffs: ‘There are only risks to doing business with the US now’ By Ariel Zilber, Published April 21, 2025
Time Magazine, 'Shein Is the World’s Most Popular Fashion Brand—at a Huge Cost to Us All,' January 17, 2023
Cheap, non-sustainable, soon to be landfilled anyway. Buy wiser, keep longer.
>US-China trade tensions, particularly through tariffs, have impacted China's tilapia exports, especially to the United States, a major market for Chinese tilapia. These tariffs have increased costs for Chinese tilapia exports, potentially reducing competitiveness and impacting the livelihoods of tilapia farmers and processors.
But Tilapia farming in the U.S. is a growing industry, with farms located in various states, primarily in the South and Southwest, due to favorable climates.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at April 30, 2025 01:04 PM (NFX2v)
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What happens when UM's wins in 2021 to 2023 are vacated by the NCAA for cheating?
Posted by: one hour sober at April 30, 2025 01:01 PM (Y1sOo)
scUM just loses victories. They other teams aren't retroactively given victories (tho they may drop loses) IIRC from the Fab Five stripping.
Posted by: one hour sober at April 30, 2025 01:01 PM (Y1sOo)
scUM just loses victories. They other teams aren't retroactively given victories (tho they may drop loses) IIRC from the Fab Five stripping.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 30, 2025 01:04 PM (MGB5H)
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So the Border patrol would already have a warrant with Jose's name on it when he steps foot over the border ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30, 2025 12:52 PM (VE6XX)
To Whom It May Concern.
Posted by: It's me donna at April 30, 2025 12:52 PM (VE6XX)
To Whom It May Concern.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 30, 2025 01:04 PM (g8Ew8)
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Perhaps I need to consider it more, but one proposal I don't like, at all, is a sovereign wealth fund.
Seems to me that already exists. It's the national finances of the US government, overseen by the Congress and executive (with major mixed impact from Fed policies).
Who decides what a sovereign wealth fund does with its $? Right. One more way in which non-market forces would affect our economy. It's one thing for tiny states like Norway or the UAE to find places to park their oil wealth. But the US? Any money deemed extra by the Treasury should be used to buy down debt and "pay for" tax reductions.
Seems to me that already exists. It's the national finances of the US government, overseen by the Congress and executive (with major mixed impact from Fed policies).
Who decides what a sovereign wealth fund does with its $? Right. One more way in which non-market forces would affect our economy. It's one thing for tiny states like Norway or the UAE to find places to park their oil wealth. But the US? Any money deemed extra by the Treasury should be used to buy down debt and "pay for" tax reductions.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 30, 2025 01:05 PM (1m82a)
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@258
>>Requiring warrants to arrest illegals is just hilarious, this won't survive challenge.
Who says it won't survive? The SCOTUS has shown no inclination to complying with logic, reason, historical norms or written law or statue.
They simply pull sh*t out of their asses and so shall it be written.
>>Requiring warrants to arrest illegals is just hilarious, this won't survive challenge.
Who says it won't survive? The SCOTUS has shown no inclination to complying with logic, reason, historical norms or written law or statue.
They simply pull sh*t out of their asses and so shall it be written.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 30, 2025 01:05 PM (XV/Pl)
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It's true. I think I had a crush on three different Jennifers at one point. I only approached one and she looked at me like I was a cockroach that had just crawled on her sandwich. Sort of soured me on the other two. She was a slut anyway.
Posted by: ...
Sounds like more of a bitch to me.
slut = a woman who'll sleep with anyone
bitch = a woman who'll sleep with anyone but you
Posted by: ...
Sounds like more of a bitch to me.
slut = a woman who'll sleep with anyone
bitch = a woman who'll sleep with anyone but you
Posted by: Bulg at April 30, 2025 01:06 PM (77rzZ)
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>> Oil price per barrel is a leading indicator, which as I understand it, probably has a 3-6 month lag on pump prices.
Yet when oil prices go up, prices at the pump rise instantly.
Yet when oil prices go up, prices at the pump rise instantly.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 01:06 PM (l3YAf)
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Yeah? Well, has she scored a Hegseth?
https://shorturl.at/CTPhY
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 30, 2025 01:03 PM (L/fGl)
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That's hilarious! How does the media counter that? I also think RFK Jr has enough of a sense of humor to laugh when he sees what Hegseth said.
https://shorturl.at/CTPhY
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 30, 2025 01:03 PM (L/fGl)
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That's hilarious! How does the media counter that? I also think RFK Jr has enough of a sense of humor to laugh when he sees what Hegseth said.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 30, 2025 01:06 PM (tT6L1)
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It seems like no one is seeing a decrease in gas prices other than South Texas, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison.
Urban areas are in the switch mode at refineries from winter to summer blends for EPA which are specific to each urban non attainment zone.
That is a particularly stupid and time bound regulation nowadays that causes consumers to pay more for no environmental benefit whatsoever.
All modern cars take into account temperatures, etc. by more sophisticated emissions monitoring and no longer require oxygenating the fuel which applied to cars roughly before OBD II was standard.
FWIW, I cannot remember if a statute mandates oxygenating fuel in the last major Clean Air Act revision in the 90's. I do remember that one particular petro additive turned out to be an environmental disaster so it was dropped by the EPA.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison.
Urban areas are in the switch mode at refineries from winter to summer blends for EPA which are specific to each urban non attainment zone.
That is a particularly stupid and time bound regulation nowadays that causes consumers to pay more for no environmental benefit whatsoever.
All modern cars take into account temperatures, etc. by more sophisticated emissions monitoring and no longer require oxygenating the fuel which applied to cars roughly before OBD II was standard.
FWIW, I cannot remember if a statute mandates oxygenating fuel in the last major Clean Air Act revision in the 90's. I do remember that one particular petro additive turned out to be an environmental disaster so it was dropped by the EPA.
Posted by: whig at April 30, 2025 01:08 PM (ctrM5)
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Who decides what a sovereign wealth fund does with its $? Right. One more way in which non-market forces would affect our economy. It's one thing for tiny states like Norway or the UAE to find places to park their oil wealth. But the US? Any money deemed extra by the Treasury should be used to buy down debt and "pay for" tax reductions.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 30, 2025 01:05 PM (1m82a)
Imagine President AOC with her own BlackRock equivalent to manipulate the markets.
Any “sovereign wealth” belongs to the people, was taken from the people, and should be returned from the people.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 30, 2025 01:05 PM (1m82a)
Imagine President AOC with her own BlackRock equivalent to manipulate the markets.
Any “sovereign wealth” belongs to the people, was taken from the people, and should be returned from the people.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 30, 2025 01:09 PM (l3YAf)
Posted by: Soothsayer, Donna, Abbott, & Costello at April 30, 2025 01:09 PM (O8Bjy)
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is a U.S. District Judge for the Eastern District of California, Department - Courtroom 4. She was nominated to the court by President Joe Biden on September 20, 2021, and confirmed by the U.S. Senate on December 17, 2021. ...
On April 30, 2025, Judge Thurston issued a ruling that Border Patrol agents in the Eastern District of California cannot arrest individuals suspected of being in the country illegally without a warrant or reasonable suspicion that the person might flee before a warrant can be obtained. Additionally, the ruling states that Border Patrol agents cannot deport immigrants through "voluntary departure" unless the person's rights are explained and they agree to leave.
These people are nuts.
On April 30, 2025, Judge Thurston issued a ruling that Border Patrol agents in the Eastern District of California cannot arrest individuals suspected of being in the country illegally without a warrant or reasonable suspicion that the person might flee before a warrant can be obtained. Additionally, the ruling states that Border Patrol agents cannot deport immigrants through "voluntary departure" unless the person's rights are explained and they agree to leave.
These people are nuts.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at April 30, 2025 01:09 PM (6ydKt)
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I am not sure that Hawaiian coffee production can match total American demands, so American coffee drinkers are stuck with trying to find mostly imported coffee at a price that is acceptable for the quality supplied.
Contrast that with the case for tea drinkers. Almost all tea in the USA is imported. There are small tea plantations here and there in the US, but only the Bigelow Tea Company has any sizable production. They supply American grown Classic American Tea to the White House. You can also get this under a Sam’s Club brand. But really most tea here is imported. I am willing to pay a reasonable amount extra due to tariffs to get a good strong tea. Most Americans brew a weak tea, maybe that’s part of why Americans drink so much strong coffee. If you want a strong cup with some teas you need to use two teabags for a cup, not one, or the equivalent for loose tea. I always double up for Twinings teas, but don’t need to with a stronger tea like PG tea (my current favorite). What can I say, I had a grandmother who was an Anglophile, who lived in England for a while in the 50s, and who taught me how to brew tea the English way with a double boil, and so forth.
Contrast that with the case for tea drinkers. Almost all tea in the USA is imported. There are small tea plantations here and there in the US, but only the Bigelow Tea Company has any sizable production. They supply American grown Classic American Tea to the White House. You can also get this under a Sam’s Club brand. But really most tea here is imported. I am willing to pay a reasonable amount extra due to tariffs to get a good strong tea. Most Americans brew a weak tea, maybe that’s part of why Americans drink so much strong coffee. If you want a strong cup with some teas you need to use two teabags for a cup, not one, or the equivalent for loose tea. I always double up for Twinings teas, but don’t need to with a stronger tea like PG tea (my current favorite). What can I say, I had a grandmother who was an Anglophile, who lived in England for a while in the 50s, and who taught me how to brew tea the English way with a double boil, and so forth.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 30, 2025 01:11 PM (sagpo)
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Who says it won't survive? The SCOTUS has shown no inclination to complying with logic, reason, historical norms or written law or statue.
They simply pull sh*t out of their asses and so shall it be written.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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Because when Scotus gets behind an 80/20 situation, people on the ground simply ignore their rulings. Happened before during the run up to the Civil War with Fugitive Slave Law etc. That is why Scotus and Taney did their stupid muh Authoritah! Dred Scott decision that helped set the stage for the ACW.
They simply pull sh*t out of their asses and so shall it be written.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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Because when Scotus gets behind an 80/20 situation, people on the ground simply ignore their rulings. Happened before during the run up to the Civil War with Fugitive Slave Law etc. That is why Scotus and Taney did their stupid muh Authoritah! Dred Scott decision that helped set the stage for the ACW.
Posted by: whig at April 30, 2025 01:12 PM (ctrM5)
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I am always getting willowed!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 30, 2025 01:12 PM (sagpo)
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290 on her sandwich. Sort of soured me on the other two. She was a slut anyway.
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:59 PM (M/gGe)
uhhh, can I get her number ?
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 30, 2025 01:02 PM (NtVYv)
Jenny I got your number. 867 5309.
Posted by: ... at April 30, 2025 12:59 PM (M/gGe)
uhhh, can I get her number ?
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 30, 2025 01:02 PM (NtVYv)
Jenny I got your number. 867 5309.
Posted by: Eromero at April 30, 2025 01:15 PM (LHPAg)
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Puerto Rico grows some excellent coffee. Almost all is consumed locally. Not enough volume and too expensive production cost to be competitive for mass export.
Posted by: Bigsmith at April 30, 2025 01:15 PM (1Au9i)
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"And...one must always remember that this is coupled with Trump's promised attempts to try and eliminate the income tax on people making less than $200,000 per year. He's trying to replace one tax (onerous, invasive, anti-liberty) with another (directed at foreigners)."
In effect, the tariffs will replace an income tax with a consumption tax - though a consumption tax that is aimed at foreign producers rather than domestic ones. Given that "progressives" have been pining for a VAT in this country for as long as I can remember, they should be happy with this. Of course, they won't be, because Trump.
In effect, the tariffs will replace an income tax with a consumption tax - though a consumption tax that is aimed at foreign producers rather than domestic ones. Given that "progressives" have been pining for a VAT in this country for as long as I can remember, they should be happy with this. Of course, they won't be, because Trump.
Posted by: Nemo at April 30, 2025 01:25 PM (4RPgu)
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uhhh, can I get her number ?
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 30, 2025 01:02 PM (NtVYv)
867-5309.
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 30, 2025 01:02 PM (NtVYv)
867-5309.
Posted by: Reforger at April 30, 2025 01:27 PM (xcIvR)
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"If you want a strong cup with some teas you need to use two teabags for a cup, not one, or the equivalent for loose tea. I always double up for Twinings teas, but don’t need to with a stronger tea like PG tea (my current favorite)."
I like the Republic of Tea's offering, in particular their Earl Greyer blend - it has more bergamon than the usual Earl Grey, hence the name. I find that if I drop the tea bag into a cup of water and then nuke it for two minutes, it makes a good strong cup - perhaps not the mahogany brown brew that the Brits like, but plenty strong enough for my taste. For a stronger cup, nuke it a big longer, or let the cup stand for a bit before drinking.
I like the Republic of Tea's offering, in particular their Earl Greyer blend - it has more bergamon than the usual Earl Grey, hence the name. I find that if I drop the tea bag into a cup of water and then nuke it for two minutes, it makes a good strong cup - perhaps not the mahogany brown brew that the Brits like, but plenty strong enough for my taste. For a stronger cup, nuke it a big longer, or let the cup stand for a bit before drinking.
Posted by: Nemo at April 30, 2025 01:29 PM (4RPgu)
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Latest round of rain has begun here. I left last night's accumulation (1-1/2") in the gauge so I can get a 24-hour total without doing the math.
Furnace and A/C have shot caps. Knew this was coming, so I've been saving up for it and won't need to borrow to finance it. But there went my emergency fund for a while.
Gas here is $2.30. It helps when your state is floating on a pool of oil.
And that's the news from Oklahoma.
Furnace and A/C have shot caps. Knew this was coming, so I've been saving up for it and won't need to borrow to finance it. But there went my emergency fund for a while.
Gas here is $2.30. It helps when your state is floating on a pool of oil.
And that's the news from Oklahoma.
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John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
Greatest Hitjobs
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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