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Trump Folds by having China waive tariffs on US ethane imports without giving China anything in return
That's how it works, right?
Any time a tariff gets rescinded anywhere it's Trump folding? I'm pretty sure that's why I learned on Bluesky.China has waived the 125% tariff on ethane imports from the United States imposed earlier this month, two sources with knowledge of the matter said on Tuesday, among a group of products that have been granted exemptions.So, let me get this straight...China is rescinding import tariffs on energy products...the main driver of economic activity. Without getting anything from Trump yet (I'm sure talks are ongoing, and this rescission is probably part of negotiations). Man, that Trump, the big dummy. He sure is lucky here. Kindlot corrects me:
The move will ease pressure on Chinese firms that import U.S. ethane for petrochemical production as well as provide an outlet for the natural gas liquid, a byproduct of U.S. shale gas production.
26 Ethane is used in plastic manufacturing and is a side-product from natural gas drilling.
It is not specifically an energy product.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 29, 2025 01:52 PM (D7oie)
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He's so weak.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 29, 2025 01:45 PM (ExV1e)
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I told the Conclave.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 29, 2025 01:46 PM (ExV1e)
3
Xi got gas?
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at April 29, 2025 01:47 PM (qFAfu)
4
I hope he folds some more then
Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 29, 2025 01:47 PM (A8N/f)
5
Our "betters" are really stupid.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 29, 2025 01:47 PM (N1tpc)
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Got to have plastics in their plastic world.
Posted by: toby928 at April 29, 2025 01:48 PM (jc0TO)
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Trump is angling for his own mountain, what state should the Golden Scalp Weasel bless with his Colossal Visage?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 29, 2025 01:48 PM (QGOY4)
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Trump is so lucky.
Posted by: huerfano at April 29, 2025 01:49 PM (n2swS)
Posted by: kallisto at April 29, 2025 01:49 PM (Ql5aA)
10
I saw a thread with some leftist complaining that tariffs will "raise inflation"
Now, tariffs will REDUCE inflation as all tax increases will do, though they may increase costs depending on how dependent on foreign suppliers people are.
But this is from the same people that told me the 100% inflation over Biden's 4 years was no biggie.
Now, tariffs will REDUCE inflation as all tax increases will do, though they may increase costs depending on how dependent on foreign suppliers people are.
But this is from the same people that told me the 100% inflation over Biden's 4 years was no biggie.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 01:49 PM (t0Rmr)
11
Not tired of ...'losing'?
Posted by: LASue at April 29, 2025 01:49 PM (1UHAB)
12
For a moment there...
Posted by: Ette from Texas at April 29, 2025 01:49 PM (dW+El)
13
If this is folding I'll take it...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 01:49 PM (VE6XX)
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Now if POTUS can just fix the ban on importing Philippines spicy banana ketchup all be right with the world!
Now if POTUS can just fix the ban on importing Philippines spicy banana ketchup all be right with the world!
Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at April 29, 2025 01:49 PM (Kxmx0)
15
Trump is angling for his own mountain, what state should the Golden Scalp Weasel bless with his Colossal Visage?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 29, 2025 01:48 PM
Carve Devil's Tower into a full standing Trump.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 29, 2025 01:48 PM
Carve Devil's Tower into a full standing Trump.
Posted by: toby928 at April 29, 2025 01:49 PM (jc0TO)
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I liked his speech about Tariffs: when this works out, we'll be able to waive income tax on everyone earning 200k a year and less.
And that's been his plan all along. This, and increasing US manufacturing, and fighting back against the foreign tariffs that nations have been waging a trade war on us with for decades.
And that's been his plan all along. This, and increasing US manufacturing, and fighting back against the foreign tariffs that nations have been waging a trade war on us with for decades.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 01:50 PM (2VST1)
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How can this be? China swore they werent wven talking to Trump!
Posted by: LASue at April 29, 2025 01:50 PM (1UHAB)
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17 How can this be? China swore they werent wven talking to Trump!
Posted by: LASue at April 29, 2025 01:50 PM (1UHAB)
And the media was more than happy to spread that as true...
Posted by: LASue at April 29, 2025 01:50 PM (1UHAB)
And the media was more than happy to spread that as true...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 01:50 PM (VE6XX)
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Xi must be getting desperate to restart polyethylene do-dad production.
Lots of unemployment in a planned economy is a very bad thing to those in power.
Lots of unemployment in a planned economy is a very bad thing to those in power.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 01:51 PM (u82oZ)
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You can fold after your opponent tosses his cards in the muck. You still win the pot.
People are dumb.
Journalists wish they rose to the level of 'dumb'.
People are dumb.
Journalists wish they rose to the level of 'dumb'.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at April 29, 2025 01:51 PM (VgN9d)
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Trump is stealing our ethane!
Trump is stealing our ethane!
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at April 29, 2025 01:52 PM (xPNeT)
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All taxes penalize whatever they are levied on.
Income taxes penalize working.
Capital gains taxes penalize investing
Real estate taxes penalize owning a home
But tariffs penalize buying foreign products.
Now, when you look at it that way isn't it obvious why if you are going to have taxes, tariffs are the best from of taxes to have?
Income taxes penalize working.
Capital gains taxes penalize investing
Real estate taxes penalize owning a home
But tariffs penalize buying foreign products.
Now, when you look at it that way isn't it obvious why if you are going to have taxes, tariffs are the best from of taxes to have?
Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 01:52 PM (t0Rmr)
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>>I saw a thread with some leftist complaining that tariffs will "raise inflation"
Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 01:49 PM
My favorite part of leftist economics is how tariffs raise prices but democrats increasing taxes on businesses doesn't. It's a conundrum.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 01:49 PM
My favorite part of leftist economics is how tariffs raise prices but democrats increasing taxes on businesses doesn't. It's a conundrum.
Posted by: huerfano at April 29, 2025 01:52 PM (n2swS)
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Deliberate obfuscation by the media? Say it isn't so.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 29, 2025 01:52 PM (W/lyH)
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Tariffs are effectively a sort of tax one step removed, but its a consumption tax (a sales tax), that is entirely progressive. Broke dude who can barely afford a new shirt necessarily is paying less on this than Joey Billionaire buying a new yacht.
Plus, the real "tax" is effectively paid by corporations, by the big companies who import and assemble things, passed on to customers in slightly higher prices. But with zero income tax, just how much more money would you have in your pocket to buy things with?
Plus, the real "tax" is effectively paid by corporations, by the big companies who import and assemble things, passed on to customers in slightly higher prices. But with zero income tax, just how much more money would you have in your pocket to buy things with?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 01:52 PM (2VST1)
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Ethane is used in plastic manufacturing and is a side-product from natural gas drilling.
It is not specifically an energy product.
It is not specifically an energy product.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 29, 2025 01:52 PM (D7oie)
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toby928
Put a polyethylene visage of Trump on top. Leave the basalt pillars on Devil's Tower alone.
Put a polyethylene visage of Trump on top. Leave the basalt pillars on Devil's Tower alone.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 01:52 PM (u82oZ)
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VOTE VANCE!
Posted by: Sid just wants to vote for Vance at April 29, 2025 01:52 PM (Yji1v)
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It's either removing tariffs on ethane or pay 5 times more for plastics. Ethane was never globalized. Norway produces some. Small amounts are produced from rotting vegetation. The US produces most of it.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 01:53 PM (VUnvY)
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the walls are closing in on Drumpf
Posted by: brak at April 29, 2025 01:53 PM (jGJov)
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Now if POTUS can just fix the ban on importing Philippines spicy banana ketchup all be right with the world!
Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at April 29, 2025 01:49 PM (Kxmx0)
/looks at the Phillipino spicy banana ketchup in my fridge...
Oh, banned, huh??
/slowly shuts the fridge and backs away
Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at April 29, 2025 01:49 PM (Kxmx0)
/looks at the Phillipino spicy banana ketchup in my fridge...
Oh, banned, huh??
/slowly shuts the fridge and backs away
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 29, 2025 01:53 PM (N1tpc)
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And the media was more than happy to spread that as true
Yeah that was hilarious to watch. I didn't even bother responding much to it because its one of those things you knew would be revealed soon enough and didn't even need refuting.
Yeah that was hilarious to watch. I didn't even bother responding much to it because its one of those things you knew would be revealed soon enough and didn't even need refuting.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 01:53 PM (2VST1)
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Schmuckie Tumor explains it all.
Chuck Schumer@SenSchumer
The Republican agenda: Billionaires win, American families lose.
Chuck Schumer@SenSchumer
The Republican agenda: Billionaires win, American families lose.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 29, 2025 01:53 PM (uL4IU)
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TRUMP!
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 29, 2025 01:53 PM (xzrfl)
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I see Amazon claims it's not gonna show the tariff price differences on their merchandise...Wonder what happened ....
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 01:53 PM (VE6XX)
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TJM I think Sid doesn't understand sarcasm
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at April 29, 2025 01:54 PM (MzksJ)
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10 I saw a thread with some leftist complaining that tariffs will "raise inflation"
Now, tariffs will REDUCE inflation as all tax increases will do, though they may increase costs depending on how dependent on foreign suppliers people are.
But this is from the same people that told me the 100% inflation over Biden's 4 years was no biggie.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 01:49 PM (t0Rmr)
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I doubt tariffs are inflationary at all.
Yes, they increase prices, but inflation is about money supply and goods. Not every movement of a price up or down is inflation.
Seems more likely that they'd affect demand, demand would go down, and we'd actually have disinflationary effects, if anything.
I keep suspecting that the effects of tariffs are being massively oversold.
For some reason.
Now, tariffs will REDUCE inflation as all tax increases will do, though they may increase costs depending on how dependent on foreign suppliers people are.
But this is from the same people that told me the 100% inflation over Biden's 4 years was no biggie.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 01:49 PM (t0Rmr)
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I doubt tariffs are inflationary at all.
Yes, they increase prices, but inflation is about money supply and goods. Not every movement of a price up or down is inflation.
Seems more likely that they'd affect demand, demand would go down, and we'd actually have disinflationary effects, if anything.
I keep suspecting that the effects of tariffs are being massively oversold.
For some reason.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 01:54 PM (GBKbO)
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All your hydrocarbons are belong to us!
Posted by: Archimedes at April 29, 2025 01:54 PM (s8j++)
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Wait, wat?
They took tariffs off of something from the US and he's folding? Clearly I need to go back to 5th Grade because I don't understand.
They took tariffs off of something from the US and he's folding? Clearly I need to go back to 5th Grade because I don't understand.
Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at April 29, 2025 01:54 PM (th/4a)
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Ethane is 2.5 times as efficient as naptha when you crack it at half the cost.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 01:55 PM (VUnvY)
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Canada's new Prime Minister:
New Canadian PM Mark Carney: "We have an enormous opportunity to bring climate change into the heart of every financial decision."
"We can deliver the net zero world that you've demanded, and that our future generations deserve."
He really wants Alberta out of Canada, doesn't he?
New Canadian PM Mark Carney: "We have an enormous opportunity to bring climate change into the heart of every financial decision."
"We can deliver the net zero world that you've demanded, and that our future generations deserve."
He really wants Alberta out of Canada, doesn't he?
Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 29, 2025 01:55 PM (xTIDn)
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My favorite part of leftist economics is how tariffs raise prices but democrats increasing taxes on businesses doesn't. It's a conundrum.
Posted by: huerfano at April 29, 2025 01:52 PM (n2swS)
Businesses have billions of dollars in profits. They can afford to pay all of the taxes!
Posted by: huerfano at April 29, 2025 01:52 PM (n2swS)
Businesses have billions of dollars in profits. They can afford to pay all of the taxes!
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 01:55 PM (l3YAf)
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Babylon Bee, Paper of Record
Democrats Hold Candlelight Vigil In Front Of Illegal Immigrant Mugshots
I wish we could make this reality, on May 5th.
Democrats Hold Candlelight Vigil In Front Of Illegal Immigrant Mugshots
I wish we could make this reality, on May 5th.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 29, 2025 01:55 PM (VNX3d)
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But tariffs penalize buying foreign products.
Now, when you look at it that way isn't it obvious why if you are going to have taxes, tariffs are the best from of taxes to have?
Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 01:52 PM (t0Rmr)
My very good foreign friends tell me that tariffs are always bad when the US has them. -- Rand Paul
Now, when you look at it that way isn't it obvious why if you are going to have taxes, tariffs are the best from of taxes to have?
Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 01:52 PM (t0Rmr)
My very good foreign friends tell me that tariffs are always bad when the US has them. -- Rand Paul
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 29, 2025 01:55 PM (ExV1e)
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Was Hank Hill involved?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 29, 2025 01:55 PM (63Dwl)
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Leftards talking economics is akin to a dung beetle talking French pastry.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 29, 2025 01:55 PM (pohLc)
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16 I liked his speech about Tariffs: when this works out, we'll be able to waive income tax on everyone earning 200k a year and less.
And that's been his plan all along. This, and increasing US manufacturing, and fighting back against the foreign tariffs that nations have been waging a trade war on us with for decades.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Lot fewer economic distortions by eliminating income tax for a large chunk of the US population. The Founders were no dummies, they figured out indirect taxes were a superior basis for government and much easier to collect at the time than direct taxes. So they gave up direct taxing power to the states during the Convention. They did leave in the apportionment method for direct taxing from the old Articles of Confederation method of levying contribution levels on the states. That is where the 3/5's clause originated not at the actual 1787 Constitutional Convention.
And that's been his plan all along. This, and increasing US manufacturing, and fighting back against the foreign tariffs that nations have been waging a trade war on us with for decades.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Lot fewer economic distortions by eliminating income tax for a large chunk of the US population. The Founders were no dummies, they figured out indirect taxes were a superior basis for government and much easier to collect at the time than direct taxes. So they gave up direct taxing power to the states during the Convention. They did leave in the apportionment method for direct taxing from the old Articles of Confederation method of levying contribution levels on the states. That is where the 3/5's clause originated not at the actual 1787 Constitutional Convention.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 01:55 PM (ctrM5)
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36 TJM I think Sid doesn't understand sarcasm
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at April 29, 2025 01:54 PM (MzksJ)
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He just wants to vote for Vance.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at April 29, 2025 01:54 PM (MzksJ)
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He just wants to vote for Vance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 01:55 PM (GBKbO)
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I see Amazon claims it's not gonna show the tariff price differences on their merchandise...Wonder what happened ....
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 01:53 PM (VE6XX)
Heh. Where's Martini Farmer
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 01:53 PM (VE6XX)
Heh. Where's Martini Farmer
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 01:55 PM (hAZeL)
50
Chuck Schumer@SenSchumer
The Republican agenda: Billionaires win, American families lose.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 29, 2025 01:53 PM (uL4IU)
Hey Chuck... Is ending taxes for those who make less than 200 thousand helping billionaires and hurting American Families ?
Chuck Schumer@SenSchumer
The Republican agenda: Billionaires win, American families lose.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 29, 2025 01:53 PM (uL4IU)
Hey Chuck... Is ending taxes for those who make less than 200 thousand helping billionaires and hurting American Families ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 01:55 PM (VE6XX)
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lol on the mocking headline.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 01:56 PM (i24o9)
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I keep suspecting that the effects of tariffs are being massively oversold.
I think that there are economic forces that work when tariffs take place that are much more complicated and broader than just "price go up." In some ways I think it probably drives prices down, but I cannot articulate why yet. I'm just getting a sense that interesting stuff is going on behind the scenes.
I think that there are economic forces that work when tariffs take place that are much more complicated and broader than just "price go up." In some ways I think it probably drives prices down, but I cannot articulate why yet. I'm just getting a sense that interesting stuff is going on behind the scenes.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 01:56 PM (2VST1)
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Chess, checkers or Calvinball. I really can't totally say I always know what Trump is up to. I think he wants to keep people guessing as part of a larger strategy.
Posted by: Max Power at April 29, 2025 01:56 PM (q177U)
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It soooo much easier when all we had to do was buy paintings from Senile Biden's son to control all of America.
Trump is Asshole and hard to control.
Trump is Asshole and hard to control.
Posted by: CCP at April 29, 2025 01:56 PM (Ak2xC)
55
Chuck Schumer@SenSchumer
The Republican agenda: Billionaires win, American families lose.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 29, 2025 01:53 PM (uL4IU)
Remember it's always projection. Every time.
Chuck Schumer@SenSchumer
The Republican agenda: Billionaires win, American families lose.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at April 29, 2025 01:53 PM (uL4IU)
Remember it's always projection. Every time.
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 01:56 PM (hAZeL)
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Now if POTUS can just fix the ban on importing Philippines spicy banana ketchup all be right with the world!
Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at April 29, 2025 01:49 PM (Kxmx0)
Why put ketchup on your spicy bananas?
Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at April 29, 2025 01:49 PM (Kxmx0)
Why put ketchup on your spicy bananas?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 29, 2025 01:56 PM (ExV1e)
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15 Trump is angling for his own mountain, what state should the Golden Scalp Weasel bless with his Colossal Visage?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 29, 2025 01:48 PM
———
The Moon baby, the Moon.
Every full moon the whole planet can look up and see The Donald’s loving gaze upon us.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 29, 2025 01:48 PM
———
The Moon baby, the Moon.
Every full moon the whole planet can look up and see The Donald’s loving gaze upon us.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 29, 2025 01:56 PM (xzrfl)
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I see Amazon claims it's not gonna show the tariff price differences on their merchandise...Wonder what happened ....
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 01:53 PM (VE6XX)
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Trump schmoozed with Bezos.
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 01:53 PM (VE6XX)
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Trump schmoozed with Bezos.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at April 29, 2025 01:56 PM (qFAfu)
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43 Babylon Bee, Paper of Record
Democrats Hold Candlelight Vigil In Front Of Illegal Immigrant Mugshots
Some did blur them out because, get this... They might be innocent...
Democrats Hold Candlelight Vigil In Front Of Illegal Immigrant Mugshots
Some did blur them out because, get this... They might be innocent...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 01:57 PM (VE6XX)
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Trump's tariffs are killing us, make it stop!
- Rand Paul's Chinese Donors
- Rand Paul's Chinese Donors
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 29, 2025 01:57 PM (Dv3i1)
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@MS-S_BlueSky
Obviously China cares about it's poeple more than Amerikkka, becuz tarriffs are a tax on you're own poeple, and removing tarriffs lower prizes!
Obviously China cares about it's poeple more than Amerikkka, becuz tarriffs are a tax on you're own poeple, and removing tarriffs lower prizes!
Posted by: Margaret Sullivan-Smith of Ann Arbor at April 29, 2025 01:57 PM (ycI94)
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Something else to think about, rare earth metals aren't all that rare and would really be no big deal if China drastically raised prices.
People think this is some checkmate move of China, it's not.
People think this is some checkmate move of China, it's not.
Posted by: Leupold at April 29, 2025 01:58 PM (4pwAx)
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60 Trump's tariffs are killing us, make it stop!
- Rand Paul's Chinese Donors
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 29, 2025 01:57 PM (Dv3i1)
F' Rand Paul... The only thing he was good on was Covid and Fauci..
- Rand Paul's Chinese Donors
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 29, 2025 01:57 PM (Dv3i1)
F' Rand Paul... The only thing he was good on was Covid and Fauci..
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 01:58 PM (VE6XX)
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19 Xi must be getting desperate to restart polyethylene do-dad production.
Lots of unemployment in a planned economy is a very bad thing to those in power.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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How are you doing ? (ignore teh Joey Tribbiano come on subtext which would be 'How are you doin' combined with a leer and exaggerated pronunciation).
Lots of unemployment in a planned economy is a very bad thing to those in power.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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How are you doing ? (ignore teh Joey Tribbiano come on subtext which would be 'How are you doin' combined with a leer and exaggerated pronunciation).
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 01:58 PM (ctrM5)
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Willowed:
This discussion reminds me a bit of an analogy used in the SF novel that I read this week, "The Fourth Consort".
The meat of it is this: suppose that you and your dog could talk to each other.
What would your dog think that going out for a walk was? Defending and marked his or "the pack's" territory. with all the sniffing and pissing etc. And man, isn't this great!
But, you, on the other hand, take the dog out so he won't piss or crap on your rug.
If you tell the dog that, well...he gonna be kind of disappointed in you. Isn't he?
Or to use another example. People often talk about themselves as fur parents or Mom and Dad to their dog.
But, think about the dog world. Mom and Dad are nothing. As soon as the dog is weaned, it's out the door. So, if you asked the dog, "What am I?". he'd gladly answer, "You're the pack alpha, boss!"
Of course, if you told him "No, Rover, I'm your Mom/Dad." The dog would probably say, "oh....whatevs. Sooooooo, who's the pack alpha around here? Me?"
Like so.
This discussion reminds me a bit of an analogy used in the SF novel that I read this week, "The Fourth Consort".
The meat of it is this: suppose that you and your dog could talk to each other.
What would your dog think that going out for a walk was? Defending and marked his or "the pack's" territory. with all the sniffing and pissing etc. And man, isn't this great!
But, you, on the other hand, take the dog out so he won't piss or crap on your rug.
If you tell the dog that, well...he gonna be kind of disappointed in you. Isn't he?
Or to use another example. People often talk about themselves as fur parents or Mom and Dad to their dog.
But, think about the dog world. Mom and Dad are nothing. As soon as the dog is weaned, it's out the door. So, if you asked the dog, "What am I?". he'd gladly answer, "You're the pack alpha, boss!"
Of course, if you told him "No, Rover, I'm your Mom/Dad." The dog would probably say, "oh....whatevs. Sooooooo, who's the pack alpha around here? Me?"
Like so.
Posted by: naturalfake at April 29, 2025 01:58 PM (iJfKG)
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62 Correct.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 01:58 PM (VUnvY)
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Carve Devil's Tower into a full standing Trump.
Posted by: toby928 at April 29, 2025 01:49 PM (jc0TO)
With massive . . . uh . . . hands.
Posted by: toby928 at April 29, 2025 01:49 PM (jc0TO)
With massive . . . uh . . . hands.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 01:58 PM (i24o9)
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Some did blur them out because, get this... They might be innocent...
______
Tell me about it.
-Covington Catholic HS kid just minding my own business and trying not to set off some crazy old dude banging his drum in my face
______
Tell me about it.
-Covington Catholic HS kid just minding my own business and trying not to set off some crazy old dude banging his drum in my face
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 29, 2025 01:59 PM (Dv3i1)
Posted by: Chaiman Xilophone at April 29, 2025 01:59 PM (w9Wax)
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Well, pulling the plug here, and hitting the road back to the (freshly re-)Demented Dominion.
May check in tonight if I hit a motel before it's too late.
Shutting down comms, now.
May check in tonight if I hit a motel before it's too late.
Shutting down comms, now.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 29, 2025 01:59 PM (8zz6B)
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In some ways I think it probably drives prices down, but I cannot articulate why yet. I'm just getting a sense that interesting stuff is going on behind the scenes.
What we saw with the last decade or two is that when you outsource manufacturing you don't prompt the impacted people to get "better" jobs...they go on SSDI or worse.
So in the mid term you'll see government welfare/police spending go down.
The reductions in the need for income taxes will "pay for" the increases in costs in tariffs, but then the reduction in the need for government spending is a further improvement beyond that
What we saw with the last decade or two is that when you outsource manufacturing you don't prompt the impacted people to get "better" jobs...they go on SSDI or worse.
So in the mid term you'll see government welfare/police spending go down.
The reductions in the need for income taxes will "pay for" the increases in costs in tariffs, but then the reduction in the need for government spending is a further improvement beyond that
Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 01:59 PM (t0Rmr)
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Yeah, I saw the tariff on necessary ingredients for China's plastic manufacture as kind of funny the other week. 90% of the crap they export has some form of plastic framing it.
Someone did the math on that and had to go to the Little Red Book group and point out the stupidity. I wonder if that guy still has a head.
Someone did the math on that and had to go to the Little Red Book group and point out the stupidity. I wonder if that guy still has a head.
Posted by: Orson at April 29, 2025 02:00 PM (dIske)
73
Shutting down comms, now.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 29, 2025 01:59 PM
Be safe in the wasteland, Road Warrior.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 29, 2025 01:59 PM
Be safe in the wasteland, Road Warrior.
Posted by: toby928 at April 29, 2025 02:00 PM (jc0TO)
74
Shutting down comms, now.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 29, 2025 01:59 PM (8zz6B)
Good luck safe travels...
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 29, 2025 01:59 PM (8zz6B)
Good luck safe travels...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 02:00 PM (VE6XX)
75
VOTE VANCE!
Posted by: Sid just wants to vote for Vance at April 29, 2025 01:52 PM (Yji1v)
V2
VSquared.
Get your tee shirts here!
Posted by: Sid just wants to vote for Vance at April 29, 2025 01:52 PM (Yji1v)
V2
VSquared.
Get your tee shirts here!
Posted by: Diogenes at April 29, 2025 02:00 PM (W/lyH)
76
I wonder if Chairman Pooh is even still alive.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 02:00 PM (VUnvY)
77
Some did blur them out because, get this... They might be innocent...
Meanwhile:
"Check out these pictures and footage of the evil January 6 insurrectionists being arrested!!"
Meanwhile:
"Check out these pictures and footage of the evil January 6 insurrectionists being arrested!!"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:00 PM (2VST1)
78
Small companies are getting in the "freakout the American consumer" game, by sending long emails detailing how if you buy their products, you'll have to pay tariffs yourself, and if you don't pay them in time, US Customs will send your item back and you'll have to pay the tariffs to get them item back to the manufacturer.
No information on how to pay the tariff, of course.
No information on how tariffs are customarily paid.
No information on whether the item you bought is actually subject to the tariff or what tariff they are subject to.
Just FUD all over the place.
No information on how to pay the tariff, of course.
No information on how tariffs are customarily paid.
No information on whether the item you bought is actually subject to the tariff or what tariff they are subject to.
Just FUD all over the place.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at April 29, 2025 02:00 PM (hB7mE)
79
China swore they werent wven talking to Trump!
Posted by: LASue at April 29, 2025 01:50 PM (1UHAB)
See? This latest Trump flop has you talking gibberish!
Posted by: LASue at April 29, 2025 01:50 PM (1UHAB)
See? This latest Trump flop has you talking gibberish!
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:00 PM (hAZeL)
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 02:00 PM (l3YAf)
81
63 60 Trump's tariffs are killing us, make it stop!
- Rand Paul's Chinese Donors
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 29, 2025 01:57 PM (Dv3i1)
F' Rand Paul... The only thing he was good on was Covid and Fauci..
Posted by: It's me donna
=======
Rand Paul's positions are resembling Justin Amash version of open borders more and more. More for him, less for everyone else.
- Rand Paul's Chinese Donors
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 29, 2025 01:57 PM (Dv3i1)
F' Rand Paul... The only thing he was good on was Covid and Fauci..
Posted by: It's me donna
=======
Rand Paul's positions are resembling Justin Amash version of open borders more and more. More for him, less for everyone else.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:01 PM (ctrM5)
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F' Rand Paul... The only thing he was good on was Covid and Fauci..
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 01:58 PM (VE6XX)
And only in a Congressional way about that. He made a lot of noise which had no positive effect on anyone.
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 01:58 PM (VE6XX)
And only in a Congressional way about that. He made a lot of noise which had no positive effect on anyone.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 29, 2025 02:01 PM (ExV1e)
83
I see Amazon claims it's not gonna show the tariff price differences on their merchandise...Wonder what happened ....
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They realized it would only help Trump.
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They realized it would only help Trump.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Satisfy your male boss, ignore your husband's desires at April 29, 2025 02:01 PM (yWTRD)
84
Man, that Trump, the big dummy. He sure is lucky here.
He's incredibly lucky! He ought to be in jail 4 or 5 times! And impeached eleventy times!!!!!!!!!!
He's incredibly lucky! He ought to be in jail 4 or 5 times! And impeached eleventy times!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Denizens of Democratic Underground at April 29, 2025 02:01 PM (0sNs1)
85
I keep suspecting that the effects of tariffs are being massively oversold.
For some reason.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 01:54 PM (GBKbO)
The mainstream theory on the Great Depression blames Tariffs on the collapse of the demand in the remaining positive elements of the stock markets world wide, and the subsequent deflation that made the entire economy of the world sit on its hands waiting for the prices to bottom out so they could buy things cheaper, to the detriment of all the people who had to buy milk and bacon to live. (Krugman's "Liquidity Trap" that earned him a Nobel)
They also claim that FDR's destruction of ag products and regulations on wage and prices were the only thin preventing complete deflation, and that he saved the economy in time for WWII, which turned us around.
This is a narrative that ignores the fact that the value of the US Economy was based in large part on bonds that had no value, stocks that were overleveraged, and that recovery from the economic cycle crash was inhibited by FDR who was stuffing is friends' pockets with money, contracts and opportunities. The bastards.
For some reason.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 01:54 PM (GBKbO)
The mainstream theory on the Great Depression blames Tariffs on the collapse of the demand in the remaining positive elements of the stock markets world wide, and the subsequent deflation that made the entire economy of the world sit on its hands waiting for the prices to bottom out so they could buy things cheaper, to the detriment of all the people who had to buy milk and bacon to live. (Krugman's "Liquidity Trap" that earned him a Nobel)
They also claim that FDR's destruction of ag products and regulations on wage and prices were the only thin preventing complete deflation, and that he saved the economy in time for WWII, which turned us around.
This is a narrative that ignores the fact that the value of the US Economy was based in large part on bonds that had no value, stocks that were overleveraged, and that recovery from the economic cycle crash was inhibited by FDR who was stuffing is friends' pockets with money, contracts and opportunities. The bastards.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 29, 2025 02:01 PM (D7oie)
Posted by: DaveA at April 29, 2025 02:01 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:02 PM (hAZeL)
88
>> Philippines spicy banana ketchup
20 bucks, same as in town.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 02:00 PM (l3YAf)
Call me crazy, but I am not interested in any kind of spicy downtown.
20 bucks, same as in town.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 02:00 PM (l3YAf)
Call me crazy, but I am not interested in any kind of spicy downtown.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:02 PM (i24o9)
89
78 Small companies are getting in the "freakout the American consumer" game, by sending long emails detailing how if you buy their products, you'll have to pay tariffs yourself, and if you don't pay them in time, US Customs will send your item back and you'll have to pay the tariffs to get them item back to the manufacturer.
No information on how to pay the tariff, of course.
No information on how tariffs are customarily paid.
No information on whether the item you bought is actually subject to the tariff or what tariff they are subject to.
Just FUD all over the place.
Posted by: FeatherBlade
=======
Revocation of De minimus applied to products shipping from China but not sure about other places.
No information on how to pay the tariff, of course.
No information on how tariffs are customarily paid.
No information on whether the item you bought is actually subject to the tariff or what tariff they are subject to.
Just FUD all over the place.
Posted by: FeatherBlade
=======
Revocation of De minimus applied to products shipping from China but not sure about other places.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:02 PM (ctrM5)
90
I doubt tariffs are inflationary at all.
I don't care. Can't expect people to sit quietly and starve peacefully. Giving the a minimal standard of living doesn't work.
People need the dignity of some kind of labor, owning the fruits of it, and doing as they wish with those. And that requires jobs.
At the least - our tariffs need to equal their tariffs, on a country by country basis. If it results in higher prices ? I don't care. We've tried maximum economic benefit for some - that was globalism, NAFTA, and the rest. Didn't work.
I don't care. Can't expect people to sit quietly and starve peacefully. Giving the a minimal standard of living doesn't work.
People need the dignity of some kind of labor, owning the fruits of it, and doing as they wish with those. And that requires jobs.
At the least - our tariffs need to equal their tariffs, on a country by country basis. If it results in higher prices ? I don't care. We've tried maximum economic benefit for some - that was globalism, NAFTA, and the rest. Didn't work.
Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson at April 29, 2025 02:02 PM (McYvC)
91
Schmuckie Tumor explains it all.
Chuck Schumer@SenSchumer
The Republican agenda: Billionaires win, American families lose.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
Top 10 of 12 billionaires are deMS-13.
Chuck Schumer@SenSchumer
The Republican agenda: Billionaires win, American families lose.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
Top 10 of 12 billionaires are deMS-13.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 29, 2025 02:02 PM (KP+Ym)
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:03 PM (i24o9)
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Leupold
Rare Earth elements are common in the US. What stops the mining of it is environmental regulations, TBF, mining can be messy. We have a good handle on purification, but at large scale it also can be messy.
I have stock in a Texas company which owns an abundantly rare-earth infused mountain. Off to look at the stock price.
Rare Earth elements are common in the US. What stops the mining of it is environmental regulations, TBF, mining can be messy. We have a good handle on purification, but at large scale it also can be messy.
I have stock in a Texas company which owns an abundantly rare-earth infused mountain. Off to look at the stock price.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 02:03 PM (u82oZ)
94
The Chinese also need our propane.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 02:03 PM (VUnvY)
95
How can this be? China swore they werent wven talking to Trump!
Posted by: LASue at April 29, 2025 01:50 PM (1UHAB)
They used those little notes you folded up into a tiny triangle to pass to your crush in junior high school.
Posted by: LASue at April 29, 2025 01:50 PM (1UHAB)
They used those little notes you folded up into a tiny triangle to pass to your crush in junior high school.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 02:03 PM (n7h9X)
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86 ethane
methane
propane
butane
Just how many anes are there?
Posted by: DaveA
___
Don' forget poutaine
-Jacque from Quebec
methane
propane
butane
Just how many anes are there?
Posted by: DaveA
___
Don' forget poutaine
-Jacque from Quebec
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 29, 2025 02:03 PM (Dv3i1)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:04 PM (2VST1)
98
92 Posted by: NaCly Dog
*Bro hugs*
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:03 PM (i24o9)
Lady hugs.. Don't know the equivalent for Bro.. Sis doesn't sound right...
*Bro hugs*
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:03 PM (i24o9)
Lady hugs.. Don't know the equivalent for Bro.. Sis doesn't sound right...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 02:04 PM (VE6XX)
99
My favorite aine is poontaine.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 29, 2025 02:04 PM (pohLc)
100
Trump will dump the income tax and hand the country to Republicans for the next 20 years if they want it.
Narrator: "They don't want it."
Narrator: "They don't want it."
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:04 PM (hAZeL)
101
When PDT gets what he wants, he loosens his grip a little. You don't keep beating someone who's complying. Unless you're a cop or a parent.
Posted by: Some people just don't understand how leverage works at April 29, 2025 02:04 PM (TbWk/)
102
Ethane = C2H6
If you substitute a hydroxyl group for one of the hydrogen atoms, you get ethanol, a compound favored by a number of commenters here.
If you substitute a hydroxyl group for one of the hydrogen atoms, you get ethanol, a compound favored by a number of commenters here.
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at April 29, 2025 02:04 PM (0sNs1)
103
Lady hugs.. Don't know the equivalent for Bro.. Sis doesn't sound right...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 02:04 PM (VE6XX)
I think the lady equivalent is just a hug.
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 02:04 PM (VE6XX)
I think the lady equivalent is just a hug.
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:05 PM (hAZeL)
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I think the lady equivalent is just a hug.
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:05 PM (hAZeL)
Makes sense
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:05 PM (hAZeL)
Makes sense
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 02:06 PM (VE6XX)
105
Lady hugs.. Don't know the equivalent for Bro.. Sis doesn't sound right...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 02:04 PM (VE6XX)
Same, but without the groping.
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 02:04 PM (VE6XX)
Same, but without the groping.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:06 PM (i24o9)
Posted by: Bulg at April 29, 2025 02:06 PM (77rzZ)
107
I see Amazon claims it's not gonna show the tariff price differences on their merchandise...Wonder what happened ....
I would have loved to see this, because it would have been a quick guide to what’s made in America and what isn’t. As well as what’s made in enemy countries. The cynic in me says that’s why it was rescinded. But it’s probably because the implementation would be completely unworkable. It would be like determining how much a VAT actually costs the end-user. It would require knowing where their shit comes from and how it got to them.
They would have discovered and publicized that they talk like a fag, and their shit’s all retarded.
I would have loved to see this, because it would have been a quick guide to what’s made in America and what isn’t. As well as what’s made in enemy countries. The cynic in me says that’s why it was rescinded. But it’s probably because the implementation would be completely unworkable. It would be like determining how much a VAT actually costs the end-user. It would require knowing where their shit comes from and how it got to them.
They would have discovered and publicized that they talk like a fag, and their shit’s all retarded.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 29, 2025 02:06 PM (EXyHK)
108
Can you explain "cracking"?
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 02:06 PM (VUnvY)
109
I think tariffs can be inflationary, it's just a price I'm open to paying for long term prosperity as a nation. Especially if China is neutered.
I'm more interested in China being sidelined than I am that the US is going to be producing crap tchotchke's. Im fine if they are say made in Thailand and we import them. It's never going to be as cheap to make that stuff here.
But every import should have some tariff.
I'm more interested in China being sidelined than I am that the US is going to be producing crap tchotchke's. Im fine if they are say made in Thailand and we import them. It's never going to be as cheap to make that stuff here.
But every import should have some tariff.
Posted by: Leupold at April 29, 2025 02:06 PM (4pwAx)
110
I think the lady equivalent is just a hug.
___
Shoulders only, keep the hips far apart from one another. So I've been told repeatedly.
___
Shoulders only, keep the hips far apart from one another. So I've been told repeatedly.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 29, 2025 02:06 PM (Dv3i1)
111
Just how many anes are there?
Posted by: DaveA
sugarcane
hurricane
wolfbane
henbane
insane
Posted by: Bulg at April 29, 2025 02:06 PM
In the membrane!
Posted by: DaveA
sugarcane
hurricane
wolfbane
henbane
insane
Posted by: Bulg at April 29, 2025 02:06 PM
In the membrane!
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 29, 2025 02:07 PM (ewjUl)
112
Another interesting part of tariffs...
The immediate benefit goes to American private sector business/workers
The penalties go to foreign producers and American consumers that don't work in the private sector.
So...do you get that? This is another one of those taxes that hit the governing and welfare classes...
This is the kind of stuff I've been arguing Trump should be focused on - using tax policy as a weapon aimed at the left.
The immediate benefit goes to American private sector business/workers
The penalties go to foreign producers and American consumers that don't work in the private sector.
So...do you get that? This is another one of those taxes that hit the governing and welfare classes...
This is the kind of stuff I've been arguing Trump should be focused on - using tax policy as a weapon aimed at the left.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 02:07 PM (t0Rmr)
113
Lady hugs.. Don't know the equivalent for Bro.. Sis doesn't sound right...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 02:04 PM (VE6XX)
I'm sure there's a category on certain video sites devoted to the concept.
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 02:04 PM (VE6XX)
I'm sure there's a category on certain video sites devoted to the concept.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 29, 2025 02:07 PM (ExV1e)
114
What are Paul Krugman and Robert half Reich saying? Really ,that's all that matters
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 29, 2025 02:08 PM (Er3Q7)
115
>> Small companies are getting in the "freakout the American consumer" game, by sending long emails detailing how if you buy their products, you'll have to pay tariffs yourself, and if you don't pay them in time, US Customs will send your item back and you'll have to pay the tariffs to get them item back to the manufacturer.
I’ve never heard of such a thing. How would you even pay the tariffs?
This sounds like a way to just piss off your customers, honestly. What companies are threatening this?
I’ve never heard of such a thing. How would you even pay the tariffs?
This sounds like a way to just piss off your customers, honestly. What companies are threatening this?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 02:08 PM (l3YAf)
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It would be like determining how much a VAT actually costs the end-user. It would require knowing where their shit comes from and how it got to them.
They would have discovered and publicized that they talk like a fag, and their shit’s all retarded.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 29, 2025 02:06 PM (EXyHK)
From a database standpoint, I'd have to think it would be a nightmare, with a moving target on the inputs, and all kinds of definitions to sort out various country of origin tariffs for things sourced from all over the world.
In sum, it was probably BS bluster from the start with no real plan to implement it.
They would have discovered and publicized that they talk like a fag, and their shit’s all retarded.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 29, 2025 02:06 PM (EXyHK)
From a database standpoint, I'd have to think it would be a nightmare, with a moving target on the inputs, and all kinds of definitions to sort out various country of origin tariffs for things sourced from all over the world.
In sum, it was probably BS bluster from the start with no real plan to implement it.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:08 PM (i24o9)
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96 86 ethane
methane
propane
butane
Just how many anes are there?
Posted by: DaveA
___
Don' forget poutaine
-Jacque from Quebec
____
And William Devane.
methane
propane
butane
Just how many anes are there?
Posted by: DaveA
___
Don' forget poutaine
-Jacque from Quebec
____
And William Devane.
Posted by: Methane Mike at April 29, 2025 02:08 PM (qUkBO)
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Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon
Pushes Stacy Abrams away from hugging you.
Boy is she Heavy.
Buffs fingernails.
Pushes Stacy Abrams away from hugging you.
Boy is she Heavy.
Buffs fingernails.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 02:09 PM (u82oZ)
119
104 I think the lady equivalent is just a hug.
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:05 PM (hAZeL)
Makes sense
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 02:06 PM (VE6XX)
It doesn't require any modification to make it not ghey.
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:05 PM (hAZeL)
Makes sense
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 02:06 PM (VE6XX)
It doesn't require any modification to make it not ghey.
Posted by: "No homo" is also an acceptable answer at April 29, 2025 02:09 PM (TbWk/)
120
This is a narrative that ignores the fact that the value of the US Economy was based in large part on bonds that had no value, stocks that were overleveraged, and that recovery from the economic cycle crash was inhibited by FDR who was stuffing is friends' pockets with money, contracts and opportunities. The bastards.
Posted by: Kindltot
Friedman's critique along with others, which I agree with places the majority of the blame on the Fed's withdrawal of liquidity by their actions from 1928-1933. They raised interest rates in 1928 and 29 and then contracted the money supply by 31 percent between 1929-1933. US was hit with waves of banking failures during that time.
Smoot Hawley's effects have been measured at tenths of a percentage of a contracting GDP with the contracting money supply responsible for a far greater proportion of GDP losses from 1929-1933.
The same contracting of money supply happened naturally during the gold standard era except they were called panics.
But, the switch from industrial to agricultural America led to much greater effects socially as a lot of people could no longer feed themselves during downturns. Even worse today in that respect.
Posted by: Kindltot
Friedman's critique along with others, which I agree with places the majority of the blame on the Fed's withdrawal of liquidity by their actions from 1928-1933. They raised interest rates in 1928 and 29 and then contracted the money supply by 31 percent between 1929-1933. US was hit with waves of banking failures during that time.
Smoot Hawley's effects have been measured at tenths of a percentage of a contracting GDP with the contracting money supply responsible for a far greater proportion of GDP losses from 1929-1933.
The same contracting of money supply happened naturally during the gold standard era except they were called panics.
But, the switch from industrial to agricultural America led to much greater effects socially as a lot of people could no longer feed themselves during downturns. Even worse today in that respect.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:09 PM (ctrM5)
121
What are Paul Krugman and Robert half Reich saying? Really ,that's all that matters
"When does the economy recover from the Trump election? First guess, never!"
--Krugman's greatest hits
"When does the economy recover from the Trump election? First guess, never!"
--Krugman's greatest hits
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:09 PM (2VST1)
122
Lady hugs.. Don't know the equivalent for Bro.. Sis doesn't sound right...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 02:04 PM (VE6XX)
Depends. Is there vegetable oil or jello involved?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 02:04 PM (VE6XX)
Depends. Is there vegetable oil or jello involved?
Posted by: Bulg at April 29, 2025 02:09 PM (77rzZ)
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Can you explain "cracking"?
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 02:06 PM (VUnvY)
Breaking larger X-C-C-X molecular chains into smaller chains.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 02:06 PM (VUnvY)
Breaking larger X-C-C-X molecular chains into smaller chains.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:09 PM (i24o9)
124
Iocane. Ask Vezzini
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 29, 2025 02:10 PM (Er3Q7)
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My favorite Propaganda Press scare tactic is the breathless speculation that consumers will face empty shelves....soon.
Also, when will the new PM say he so disgusted with America that Canada may somehow refuse to allow America to defend it. When is that one coming?!
Also, when will the new PM say he so disgusted with America that Canada may somehow refuse to allow America to defend it. When is that one coming?!
Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 29, 2025 02:11 PM (/16YE)
126
Can you explain "cracking"?
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 02:06 PM (VUnvY)
Breaking larger X-C-C-X molecular chains into smaller chains.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
Sure, go with the non-Urban Dictionary definition.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 02:06 PM (VUnvY)
Breaking larger X-C-C-X molecular chains into smaller chains.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
Sure, go with the non-Urban Dictionary definition.
Posted by: Bulg at April 29, 2025 02:11 PM (77rzZ)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:11 PM (2VST1)
128
> I see Amazon claims it's not gonna show the tariff price differences on their merchandise...Wonder what happened ....
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After several hours of introspection Bezos decided it was an asinine idea.
I kid.... he was totally onboard with this until the Trump administration Xeeted out comment about it being blatantly political.
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After several hours of introspection Bezos decided it was an asinine idea.
I kid.... he was totally onboard with this until the Trump administration Xeeted out comment about it being blatantly political.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 29, 2025 02:11 PM (Q4IgG)
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DaveA
Generic ending for any linear and branched hydrocarbon without multiple bonds or rings. Carbon and Oxygen only compounds. The name discriminates against alcohols and amines.
Generic ending for any linear and branched hydrocarbon without multiple bonds or rings. Carbon and Oxygen only compounds. The name discriminates against alcohols and amines.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 02:12 PM (u82oZ)
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Just how many anes are there?
Posted by: DaveA at April 29, 2025 02:01 PM
You're really asking how many alkanes there are.
Alkanes are saturated hydrocarbons where each carbon atom forms single bonds, following the formula CₙH₂ₙ₊₂.
They can be straight-chain (normal alkanes) or branched (isomers with different structures but the same molecular formula). The number of possible alkanes depends on the number of carbon atoms, as isomers arise from different ways to arrange the carbon skeleton.
Here’s a breakdown of the number of alkane isomers for the first 10 carbon numbers:
C₁ (methane, CH₄
: 1 isomer (just methane).
C₂ (ethane, C₂H₆: 1 isomer (ethane, a straight chain).
C₃ (propane, C₃H₈: 1 isomer (propane, a straight chain).
C₄ (butane, C₄H₁₀: 2 isomers (n-butane, isobutane/2-methylpropane).
C₅ (pentane, C₅H₁₂: 3 isomers (n-pentane, isopentane, neopentane).
C₆ (hexane, C₆H₁₄: 5 isomers.
C₇ (heptane, C₇H₁₆: 9 isomers.
C₈ (octane, C₈H₁₈: 18 isomers.
C₉ (nonane, C₉H₂₀: 35 isomers.
C₁₀ (decane, C₁₀H₂₂: 75 isomers.
The # of isomers grows exponentially as each additional carbon allows more branching possibilities. For example: C₂₀: 366,319 isomers.
TL;DR: A lot.
Posted by: DaveA at April 29, 2025 02:01 PM
You're really asking how many alkanes there are.
Alkanes are saturated hydrocarbons where each carbon atom forms single bonds, following the formula CₙH₂ₙ₊₂.
They can be straight-chain (normal alkanes) or branched (isomers with different structures but the same molecular formula). The number of possible alkanes depends on the number of carbon atoms, as isomers arise from different ways to arrange the carbon skeleton.
Here’s a breakdown of the number of alkane isomers for the first 10 carbon numbers:
C₁ (methane, CH₄
: 1 isomer (just methane).
C₂ (ethane, C₂H₆
: 1 isomer (ethane, a straight chain).
C₃ (propane, C₃H₈
: 1 isomer (propane, a straight chain).
C₄ (butane, C₄H₁₀
: 2 isomers (n-butane, isobutane/2-methylpropane).
C₅ (pentane, C₅H₁₂
: 3 isomers (n-pentane, isopentane, neopentane).
C₆ (hexane, C₆H₁₄
: 5 isomers.
C₇ (heptane, C₇H₁₆
: 9 isomers.
C₈ (octane, C₈H₁₈
: 18 isomers.
C₉ (nonane, C₉H₂₀
: 35 isomers.
C₁₀ (decane, C₁₀H₂₂
: 75 isomers.
The # of isomers grows exponentially as each additional carbon allows more branching possibilities. For example: C₂₀: 366,319 isomers.
TL;DR: A lot.
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at April 29, 2025 02:12 PM (0sNs1)
131
Yikes
https://www.britannica.com/science/
hydrocarbon/Cycloalkanes
including adamantane (what do you do)
https://www.britannica.com/science/
hydrocarbon/Cycloalkanes
including adamantane (what do you do)
Posted by: DaveA at April 29, 2025 02:12 PM (FhXTo)
132
Moonshane
Posted by: High proof you know at April 29, 2025 02:12 PM (TbWk/)
133
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:08 PM (i24o9)
Even so, some idiot may have realized that publishing the tariff amount would give valuable product cost (and origin) information away and Amazon very likely didn't want that.
Even so, some idiot may have realized that publishing the tariff amount would give valuable product cost (and origin) information away and Amazon very likely didn't want that.
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:13 PM (hAZeL)
134
124 Iocane. Ask Vezzini
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 29, 2025 02:10 PM (Er3Q7)
You’ll need to ask the Dread Pirate Roberts. Vezzini is dead.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 29, 2025 02:10 PM (Er3Q7)
You’ll need to ask the Dread Pirate Roberts. Vezzini is dead.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 29, 2025 02:13 PM (Mxf84)
135
Good to see that Rand Paul is taking a break from his Fauci crusade that has resulted in absolutely nothing in order to block Trump on tariffs. JFC this useless dipshit.
Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at April 29, 2025 02:13 PM (th/4a)
136
After several hours of introspection Bezos decided it was an asinine idea.
Not that they cannot easily afford it, but it would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to add in the change to the website and thousands a day just to maintain that. And for what? It might even hurt the company's sales by reminding everyone that they are buying stuff with tariffs on it.
Not that they cannot easily afford it, but it would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to add in the change to the website and thousands a day just to maintain that. And for what? It might even hurt the company's sales by reminding everyone that they are buying stuff with tariffs on it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:13 PM (2VST1)
137
If Amazon shows the tariff price you will be able to determine the ridiculous mark up on soft lines.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 02:14 PM (VUnvY)
138
>> I'm more interested in China being sidelined than I am that the US is going to be producing crap tchotchke's. Im fine if they are say made in Thailand and we import them. It's never going to be as cheap to make that stuff here.
Building up other countries just to whine in twenty years that they “stole our jobs” doesn’t seem like a plan. The real question is, why can’t we manufacture as cheaply as the rest of the world?
Anyway, I don’t care at all about “neutering” China. Their industrial base is much larger than ours and they’re the #1 trade partner of most countries on Earth. That’s not going to change.
It’s more important that we undo this global trade monstrosity that has gutted our industry and left us vulnerable to foreign nations.
Building up other countries just to whine in twenty years that they “stole our jobs” doesn’t seem like a plan. The real question is, why can’t we manufacture as cheaply as the rest of the world?
Anyway, I don’t care at all about “neutering” China. Their industrial base is much larger than ours and they’re the #1 trade partner of most countries on Earth. That’s not going to change.
It’s more important that we undo this global trade monstrosity that has gutted our industry and left us vulnerable to foreign nations.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 02:14 PM (l3YAf)
139
Your mom wears Ethane.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 29, 2025 02:14 PM (NwfFc)
140
I didn't realize that so many chemical compounds had smiley faces in them.
Posted by: Bulg at April 29, 2025 02:14 PM (77rzZ)
141
133 Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:08 PM (i24o9)
Even so, some idiot may have realized that publishing the tariff amount would give valuable product cost (and origin) information away and Amazon very likely didn't want that.
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:13 PM (hAZeL)
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From what I've read, it was an idea floated for some section of the site for third-party sellers, without any effort, yet, to make it sitewide.
And then it broke, there was a scramble, Trump called Bezos, and Bezos killed the whole thing.
Even so, some idiot may have realized that publishing the tariff amount would give valuable product cost (and origin) information away and Amazon very likely didn't want that.
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:13 PM (hAZeL)
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From what I've read, it was an idea floated for some section of the site for third-party sellers, without any effort, yet, to make it sitewide.
And then it broke, there was a scramble, Trump called Bezos, and Bezos killed the whole thing.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 02:15 PM (GBKbO)
142
Even so, some idiot may have realized that publishing the tariff amount would give valuable product cost (and origin) information away and Amazon very likely didn't want that.
That, too. The Amazon app for your phone tends to not show country of origin deliberately.
That, too. The Amazon app for your phone tends to not show country of origin deliberately.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:15 PM (2VST1)
143
I keep suspecting that the effects of tariffs are being massively oversold.
I think that there are economic forces that work when tariffs take place that are much more complicated and broader than just "price go up." In some ways I think it probably drives prices down, but I cannot articulate why yet. I'm just getting a sense that interesting stuff is going on behind the scenes.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 01:56 PM (2VST1)
A tariff means that when goods hit the docks a charge is assessed that the receiver corp pays, just like the shipping costs. When assessing where to buy products from, importers will make choices differently. So next boatload they buy locally, or from a lower tariffed source, or one that was more distant and thus had more pure shipping costs. On the other hand if tariffs become the dominant mode this could reduce or simplify employee taxes on wages, sales taxes and so on.
If exporter nations want to minimize these costs they can reinvest the money from they get from the exports into channels that gives us something back - buy some new product from the US to balance the trade differential, invest in US factories, and so on.
I think that there are economic forces that work when tariffs take place that are much more complicated and broader than just "price go up." In some ways I think it probably drives prices down, but I cannot articulate why yet. I'm just getting a sense that interesting stuff is going on behind the scenes.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 01:56 PM (2VST1)
A tariff means that when goods hit the docks a charge is assessed that the receiver corp pays, just like the shipping costs. When assessing where to buy products from, importers will make choices differently. So next boatload they buy locally, or from a lower tariffed source, or one that was more distant and thus had more pure shipping costs. On the other hand if tariffs become the dominant mode this could reduce or simplify employee taxes on wages, sales taxes and so on.
If exporter nations want to minimize these costs they can reinvest the money from they get from the exports into channels that gives us something back - buy some new product from the US to balance the trade differential, invest in US factories, and so on.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 02:15 PM (n7h9X)
144
...
I miss hanging out here, throwing ideas around.
Once I get a Death Certificate, I can get a lot more done.
Yesterday I returned all my Direct TV boxes and cables to the UPS store. They read the barcode of the boxes, put it all in a bin, and gave me a receipt. I was told this is happening a lot. Short cable companies.
No more TV with external signals in the house. None.
I miss hanging out here, throwing ideas around.
Once I get a Death Certificate, I can get a lot more done.
Yesterday I returned all my Direct TV boxes and cables to the UPS store. They read the barcode of the boxes, put it all in a bin, and gave me a receipt. I was told this is happening a lot. Short cable companies.
No more TV with external signals in the house. None.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 02:15 PM (u82oZ)
145
I didn't realize that so many chemical compounds had smiley faces in them.
Posted by: Bulg at April 29, 2025 02:14 PM
Organic chem and p-chem. Where the sheep are separated from the goats.
Posted by: Bulg at April 29, 2025 02:14 PM
Organic chem and p-chem. Where the sheep are separated from the goats.
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at April 29, 2025 02:16 PM (0sNs1)
146
Good to see that Rand Paul is taking a break from his Fauci crusade that has resulted in absolutely nothing in order to block Trump on tariffs. JFC this useless dipshit.
Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at April 29, 2025 02:13 PM (th/4a)
Would blocking Trump on tariffs require legislation? Legislation that Trump would veto. A veto which would require 2/3 vote in both houses to overcome?
And, if that's the case, would anyone ask the members who voted to do this why they hadn't taken any steps in recent years to deal similarly with things they'd disagreed on.
I suspect this is just more sound and fury which will accomplish fuck all.
Posted by: Little Larry Sellers at April 29, 2025 02:13 PM (th/4a)
Would blocking Trump on tariffs require legislation? Legislation that Trump would veto. A veto which would require 2/3 vote in both houses to overcome?
And, if that's the case, would anyone ask the members who voted to do this why they hadn't taken any steps in recent years to deal similarly with things they'd disagreed on.
I suspect this is just more sound and fury which will accomplish fuck all.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 29, 2025 02:17 PM (ExV1e)
147
128 > I see Amazon claims it's not gonna show the tariff price differences on their merchandise...Wonder what happened ....
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After several hours of introspection Bezos decided it was an asinine idea.
I kid.... he was totally onboard with this until the Trump administration Xeeted out comment about it being blatantly political.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
=========
AWS (Cloud computing) makes the money for Amazon these days, not flogging goods from their storefront. And it turns out one of the biggest sources of revenue for cloud computing comes from Uncle Sam's contracts, ditto for the burgeoning AI spending for defense.
Retailing is and was a cutthroat business with a typical single digit profit margin. Those that make the wrong move, no matter how big they are, end up on the scrap heap. Of all the dead big companies, dead retail and restaurant chains probably constitute a large proportion of them.
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After several hours of introspection Bezos decided it was an asinine idea.
I kid.... he was totally onboard with this until the Trump administration Xeeted out comment about it being blatantly political.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
=========
AWS (Cloud computing) makes the money for Amazon these days, not flogging goods from their storefront. And it turns out one of the biggest sources of revenue for cloud computing comes from Uncle Sam's contracts, ditto for the burgeoning AI spending for defense.
Retailing is and was a cutthroat business with a typical single digit profit margin. Those that make the wrong move, no matter how big they are, end up on the scrap heap. Of all the dead big companies, dead retail and restaurant chains probably constitute a large proportion of them.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:17 PM (ctrM5)
148
Even so, some idiot may have realized that publishing the tariff amount would give valuable product cost (and origin) information away and Amazon very likely didn't want that.
That, too. The Amazon app for your phone tends to not show country of origin deliberately.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:15 PM (2VST1)
Or if this annoys the government they could hold Amazon to the accuracy of this for every sale which would take a lot of work.
That, too. The Amazon app for your phone tends to not show country of origin deliberately.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:15 PM (2VST1)
Or if this annoys the government they could hold Amazon to the accuracy of this for every sale which would take a lot of work.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 02:17 PM (n7h9X)
149
My favorite ane would be Carol Kane. But the younger version.
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:17 PM (hAZeL)
150
Win, Trump, win
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 29, 2025 02:17 PM (xcxpd)
151
The cynic in me says that’s why it was rescinded.
And also, since the tariff is based on their cost, it would have revealed their per-item profit margins.
And also, since the tariff is based on their cost, it would have revealed their per-item profit margins.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 29, 2025 02:18 PM (/y8xj)
152
Coal, oil, and natural gas are all organic.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 02:18 PM (VUnvY)
153
JJ, if you're lurking, I sent you an e-mail with a possible story for the Morning Report.
Posted by: Bulg at April 29, 2025 02:19 PM (77rzZ)
Posted by: Greta at April 29, 2025 02:19 PM (0sNs1)
155
Shut up, Wesley.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 29, 2025 02:19 PM (RIvkX)
156
whig
Saw your medical update on a previous thread. I will pray for you.
I am doing OK for varying amounts of OK. Lots to do helps.
Saw your medical update on a previous thread. I will pray for you.
I am doing OK for varying amounts of OK. Lots to do helps.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 02:19 PM (u82oZ)
157
No more TV with external signals in the house. None.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 02:15 PM (u82oZ)
Switching to just DVD watching?
Or do you have alternate plans?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 02:15 PM (u82oZ)
Switching to just DVD watching?
Or do you have alternate plans?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 29, 2025 02:19 PM (xcxpd)
158
If sugar comes from sugar cane, do raisins come from raisin cane?
Posted by: Bulg at April 29, 2025 02:19 PM (77rzZ)
159
Coal, oil, and natural gas are all organic.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 02:18 PM (VUnvY)
And . . . renewable.
*runs*
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 02:18 PM (VUnvY)
And . . . renewable.
*runs*
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:19 PM (i24o9)
160
The Democrat agenda: We will control you through your dependency on what we provide you using the money we took from you.
Posted by: SMOD at April 29, 2025 02:19 PM (RHGPo)
161
Chuck Schumer@SenSchumer
The Republican agenda: Billionaires win, American families lose.
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I like how they completely wiped their memory that, barely 6 months ago, they ran a $2 billion campaign where THE ad that was in every swing state, nearly every commercial break was "Trump is for billionaires, Kamala is for the middle class."
Such a winning message they ... lost all the swing states and the popular vote.
The Republican agenda: Billionaires win, American families lose.
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I like how they completely wiped their memory that, barely 6 months ago, they ran a $2 billion campaign where THE ad that was in every swing state, nearly every commercial break was "Trump is for billionaires, Kamala is for the middle class."
Such a winning message they ... lost all the swing states and the popular vote.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 29, 2025 02:20 PM (NwfFc)
162
Lots of chemists on this smart military blog.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 02:20 PM (u82oZ)
163
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 02:15 PM (GBKbO)
Could be but does not obviate my theory.
Also I just wanted to use the word obviate. I'm not even certain it was the most accurate choice.
Could be but does not obviate my theory.
Also I just wanted to use the word obviate. I'm not even certain it was the most accurate choice.
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:20 PM (hAZeL)
164
And also, since the tariff is based on their cost, it would have revealed their per-item profit margins.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 29, 2025 02:18 PM (/y8xj)
Now they can just opaquely raise prices, claim “muh tariffs!” and pocket the excess as profit.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 29, 2025 02:18 PM (/y8xj)
Now they can just opaquely raise prices, claim “muh tariffs!” and pocket the excess as profit.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 02:20 PM (l3YAf)
165
163 Could be but does not obviate my theory.
Also I just wanted to use the word obviate. I'm not even certain it was the most accurate choice.
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:20 PM (hAZeL)
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Cromulent word.
Muy, mucho cromulente.
Also I just wanted to use the word obviate. I'm not even certain it was the most accurate choice.
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:20 PM (hAZeL)
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Cromulent word.
Muy, mucho cromulente.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 02:20 PM (GBKbO)
166
Both sides have to exempt some things.
I think Trump and Xi both were a little to quick to pull out their dicks.
I think Trump and Xi both were a little to quick to pull out their dicks.
Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2025 02:21 PM (IuIym)
167
Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo
Books. With occasional sounds from CDs.
Maybe DVDs if I can watch with friends.
Books. With occasional sounds from CDs.
Maybe DVDs if I can watch with friends.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 02:21 PM (u82oZ)
168
164 And also, since the tariff is based on their cost, it would have revealed their per-item profit margins.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 29, 2025 02:18 PM (/y8xj)
Now they can just opaquely raise prices, claim “muh tariffs!” and pocket the excess as profit.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 02:20 PM (l3YAf)
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Like how Big Grocery caused inflation under Biden?
Posted by: Oddbob at April 29, 2025 02:18 PM (/y8xj)
Now they can just opaquely raise prices, claim “muh tariffs!” and pocket the excess as profit.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 02:20 PM (l3YAf)
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Like how Big Grocery caused inflation under Biden?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 02:21 PM (GBKbO)
169
Saw a report that Chinese plastic bottle manufacturing had come to a halt without ethane
Posted by: SMOD at April 29, 2025 02:21 PM (RHGPo)
170
Oh revoir Canada!
Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 29, 2025 02:21 PM (RIvkX)
171
Building up other countries just to whine in twenty years that they “stole our jobs” doesn’t seem like a plan. The real question is, why can’t we manufacture as cheaply as the rest of the world?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director
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Is this really a question of why it's cheaper?
environmental and legal regulations, cost of labor, working conditions, etc.
The main reason for tariffs is to take away this advantage.
But we're never going to be able to make this stuff as cheaply as China where the average factory worker makes like $10k a year.
Building up other countries just to whine in twenty years that they “stole our jobs” doesn’t seem like a plan. The real question is, why can’t we manufacture as cheaply as the rest of the world?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director
===
Is this really a question of why it's cheaper?
environmental and legal regulations, cost of labor, working conditions, etc.
The main reason for tariffs is to take away this advantage.
But we're never going to be able to make this stuff as cheaply as China where the average factory worker makes like $10k a year.
Posted by: Leupold at April 29, 2025 02:21 PM (4pwAx)
172
Both sides have to exempt some things.
I think Trump and Xi both were a little to quick to pull out their dicks.
Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2025 02:21 PM (IuIym)
It's never too early to whip it out.
I think Trump and Xi both were a little to quick to pull out their dicks.
Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2025 02:21 PM (IuIym)
It's never too early to whip it out.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:22 PM (i24o9)
173
The powerful will be ripped from their decadent nests, and cast out into the cold world that we know and endure.
Posted by: Bane at April 29, 2025 02:22 PM (w9Wax)
174
Amazon has no idea if inventory was imported in December 2024, February 2025 or April 2025.
Tariff rates were all over the place.
Tariff rates were all over the place.
Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2025 02:22 PM (IuIym)
175
172 Both sides have to exempt some things.
I think Trump and Xi both were a little to quick to pull out their dicks.
Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2025 02:21 PM (IuIym)
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The point was never to have 150% tariffs forever.
Anyone who thinks that is silly.
I think Trump and Xi both were a little to quick to pull out their dicks.
Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2025 02:21 PM (IuIym)
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The point was never to have 150% tariffs forever.
Anyone who thinks that is silly.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 02:22 PM (GBKbO)
176
Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon
That was one theory, from very deep microorganisms emitting methane as waste products. AOP shot it down. There was a drill-hole in Sweden that was looking for evidence.
That was one theory, from very deep microorganisms emitting methane as waste products. AOP shot it down. There was a drill-hole in Sweden that was looking for evidence.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 02:22 PM (u82oZ)
177
It's hilarious how when ONE billionaire starts supporting the Republicans, they somehow magically become the party of billionaires, according to the millionaires on the Left who have been making bank from billionaires for decades now.
Posted by: SMOD at April 29, 2025 02:23 PM (RHGPo)
178
174 Amazon has no idea if inventory was imported in December 2024, February 2025 or April 2025.
Tariff rates were all over the place.
Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2025 02:22 PM (IuIym)
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Since Amazon is a logistics company first and foremost, I suspect they have a very good idea when things in their warehouses were imported.
Tariff rates were all over the place.
Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2025 02:22 PM (IuIym)
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Since Amazon is a logistics company first and foremost, I suspect they have a very good idea when things in their warehouses were imported.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 02:23 PM (GBKbO)
179
How has Big Penguin responded to the tariffs Trump slapped on them.
Posted by: Bulg at April 29, 2025 02:23 PM (77rzZ)
180
My guess for Amazon in the long run is that they divest themselves of the storefront by spinning it off.
In the end, conglomerates throwing off a lot of cash but with marginal future expectations for growth either deconstruct themselves by spinning off the better divisions or the lagging part ends up dragging the rest of the conglomerate down.
In the end, conglomerates throwing off a lot of cash but with marginal future expectations for growth either deconstruct themselves by spinning off the better divisions or the lagging part ends up dragging the rest of the conglomerate down.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:23 PM (ctrM5)
181
If sugar comes from sugar cane, do raisins come from raisin cane?
Posted by: Bulg at April 29, 2025 02:19 PM (77rzZ)
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Mind.
Blown.
Posted by: Bulg at April 29, 2025 02:19 PM (77rzZ)
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Mind.
Blown.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at April 29, 2025 02:23 PM (6YdsJ)
182
177 It's hilarious how when ONE billionaire starts supporting the Republicans, they somehow magically become the party of billionaires, according to the millionaires on the Left who have been making bank from billionaires for decades now.
Posted by: SMOD at April 29, 2025 02:23 PM (RHGPo)
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Eh.
The narrative around the GOP for a long time has been the party of the rich.
Romney was rich. Trump is rich.
Rockefeller Republicans were rich.
It's a thing.
Posted by: SMOD at April 29, 2025 02:23 PM (RHGPo)
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Eh.
The narrative around the GOP for a long time has been the party of the rich.
Romney was rich. Trump is rich.
Rockefeller Republicans were rich.
It's a thing.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 02:24 PM (GBKbO)
183
The unmentioned idea is that the desire for low labor costs is really the desire for the return of slaves.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 02:24 PM (u82oZ)
184
I think Trump and Xi both were a little to quick to pull out their dicks.
Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2025 02:21 PM (IuIym)
Go on......
Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2025 02:21 PM (IuIym)
Go on......
Posted by: Pete Buttigag at April 29, 2025 02:24 PM (N39Ws)
185
The real question is, why can’t we manufacture as cheaply as the rest of the world?
Because I for one don't want to reduce the American standard of living to the Mexican standard of living just to produce the RAM 2500 as cheaply - for one thing.
We manufacture as cheaply as any other Western nation with a similar standard of living.
Because I for one don't want to reduce the American standard of living to the Mexican standard of living just to produce the RAM 2500 as cheaply - for one thing.
We manufacture as cheaply as any other Western nation with a similar standard of living.
Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson at April 29, 2025 02:24 PM (McYvC)
186
Iocane. Ask Vezzini
I suppose I should read the book some day but I've just always assumed that would be spelled with -aine since it's a drug.
I suppose I should read the book some day but I've just always assumed that would be spelled with -aine since it's a drug.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 29, 2025 02:24 PM (/y8xj)
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That was one theory, from very deep microorganisms emitting methane as waste products. AOP shot it down. There was a drill-hole in Sweden that was looking for evidence.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 02:22 PM (u82oZ)
Yeah, it was mostly a throw away comment, kind of like agitating the con-trail people. I don't really follow that theory or any developments related to that.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 02:22 PM (u82oZ)
Yeah, it was mostly a throw away comment, kind of like agitating the con-trail people. I don't really follow that theory or any developments related to that.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:24 PM (i24o9)
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This discussion of methane, one of the worst greenhouse gasses, reminds me of something I said in 2023 regarding our climate crisis:
"We must do what we can do to reduce the impact of what we have been doing in terms of what we must do to address what we have done."
Please take heed.
"We must do what we can do to reduce the impact of what we have been doing in terms of what we must do to address what we have done."
Please take heed.
Posted by: Kamala! 2024! 2028! David Hogg! 2032! at April 29, 2025 02:24 PM (0sNs1)
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If the items are already in Amazon's warehouse, do tariffs even apply? Or was the idea considering replacement cost?
Posted by: toby928 at April 29, 2025 02:24 PM (jc0TO)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 02:25 PM (u82oZ)
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we are making BILLIONS and BILLIONS every day! instead of paying billions. take that, WS speculators!
Posted by: runner at April 29, 2025 02:25 PM (g47mK)
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Does this mean I'll be paying more for my AOSHQ 22nd anniversary plastic penis pump?
Posted by: Rev Wishbone at April 29, 2025 02:25 PM (fY84s)
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Because of Bill Clinton giving China "Most Favored Nation" status, some stuff is tariff free automatically like books
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:25 PM (2VST1)
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But we're never going to be able to make this stuff as cheaply as China where the average factory worker makes like $10k a year.
Posted by: Leupold at April 29, 2025 02:21 PM (4pwAx)
Never say never. We already use more automation than the Chinese, and the future is even more automated manufacturing. I think we can get costs much lower.
But the primary driver of offshoring is the relative strength of the dollar. That makes it easy for us to import and difficult for us to export. If the dollar weren’t global reserve currency, we wouldn’t be running massive trade deficits with the whole world for decade after decade.
Posted by: Leupold at April 29, 2025 02:21 PM (4pwAx)
Never say never. We already use more automation than the Chinese, and the future is even more automated manufacturing. I think we can get costs much lower.
But the primary driver of offshoring is the relative strength of the dollar. That makes it easy for us to import and difficult for us to export. If the dollar weren’t global reserve currency, we wouldn’t be running massive trade deficits with the whole world for decade after decade.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 02:25 PM (l3YAf)
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Does this mean I'll be paying more for my AOSHQ 22nd anniversary plastic penis pump?
Posted by: Rev Wishbone
That's not your bag, Baby.
Posted by: Rev Wishbone
That's not your bag, Baby.
Posted by: Bulg at April 29, 2025 02:26 PM (77rzZ)
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169 It would cost billions of dollars for China to adapt the equipment to naptha. Then plastics would cost 5Xs as much. Remove Ethane tariffs or lose the Chinese plastics industry. Choose one.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 02:26 PM (VUnvY)
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It's never too early to whip it out.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:22 PM
Indeed.
When in doubt,
whip it out.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:22 PM
Indeed.
When in doubt,
whip it out.
Posted by: Jeffrey Toobin at April 29, 2025 02:26 PM (0sNs1)
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189 If the items are already in Amazon's warehouse, do tariffs even apply? Or was the idea considering replacement cost?
Posted by: toby928 at April 29, 2025 02:24 PM (jc0TO)
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Warehouses on American soil? Of course not.
The only open question was those at sea when the tariffs were announced (I think they were exempted).
But, I don't know how often Amazon is shipping in plastic fidget toys. I don't know how deeply they use JIT delivery methods.
Posted by: toby928 at April 29, 2025 02:24 PM (jc0TO)
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Warehouses on American soil? Of course not.
The only open question was those at sea when the tariffs were announced (I think they were exempted).
But, I don't know how often Amazon is shipping in plastic fidget toys. I don't know how deeply they use JIT delivery methods.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 02:26 PM (GBKbO)
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127 Can you explain "cracking"?
Its part of dad hugs
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Like pull my finger.
Its part of dad hugs
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Like pull my finger.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 02:26 PM (L/fGl)
Posted by: Your Neighborhood Chiropractor at April 29, 2025 02:27 PM (w9Wax)
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I watched a YT video last night that focused on the current state of the PRC's steel export industry.
Holy crap. The entire world is slapping huge tariffs on Chinese steel. Xi wanted the PRC to completely dominate world steel production, and, instead, Chinese steel manufacturers are shutting down furnaces, companies, going bankrupt, and laying off hundreds of thousands of steelworkers.
Holy crap. The entire world is slapping huge tariffs on Chinese steel. Xi wanted the PRC to completely dominate world steel production, and, instead, Chinese steel manufacturers are shutting down furnaces, companies, going bankrupt, and laying off hundreds of thousands of steelworkers.
Posted by: mrp at April 29, 2025 02:28 PM (rj6Yv)
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Since Amazon is a logistics company first and foremost, I suspect they have a very good idea when things in their warehouses were imported.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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One of Amazon's efficiencies was in using Just In Time stocking methods and often shipping directly from China or elsewhere using the de minimus tariff exclusion. Inventory costs money so you probably had Amazon only stocking the 20 percent of products that compromised 70-80 percent of revenue. The rest were direct shipped when ordered so Amazon itself was simply the middleman for the exchange between manufacturer and consumer and raking off their share.
Then you have the Amazon marketplace of storefronts that are 'fulfilled' by Amazon. The storefront was the one dealing with tariffs, etc. and had titular ownership of the inventory while Amazon again just raked off the middleman revenue for facilitating the trade.
Ebay has done the same explicitly for a very long time and made bank by never having inventory per se.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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One of Amazon's efficiencies was in using Just In Time stocking methods and often shipping directly from China or elsewhere using the de minimus tariff exclusion. Inventory costs money so you probably had Amazon only stocking the 20 percent of products that compromised 70-80 percent of revenue. The rest were direct shipped when ordered so Amazon itself was simply the middleman for the exchange between manufacturer and consumer and raking off their share.
Then you have the Amazon marketplace of storefronts that are 'fulfilled' by Amazon. The storefront was the one dealing with tariffs, etc. and had titular ownership of the inventory while Amazon again just raked off the middleman revenue for facilitating the trade.
Ebay has done the same explicitly for a very long time and made bank by never having inventory per se.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:28 PM (ctrM5)
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Does this mean I'll be paying more for my AOSHQ 22nd anniversary plastic penis pump?
Probably. But once you're committed to collecting the whole set, you're kind of trapped.
Probably. But once you're committed to collecting the whole set, you're kind of trapped.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 29, 2025 02:28 PM (/y8xj)
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Can you explain "cracking"?
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 02:06 PM
Sure, but first, buy one of my paintings.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 02:06 PM
Sure, but first, buy one of my paintings.
Posted by: Hunter Brandon at April 29, 2025 02:29 PM (0sNs1)
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At one time I worked for a Caterpillar dealer in a state that taxed inventory. We practiced LIFO so that at the end of the year, we only had the oldest and cheapest parts on hand to be taxed. This was in the 1980s and we had parts on the shelves purchased in the late 40s.
Posted by: toby928 at April 29, 2025 02:29 PM (jc0TO)
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197 When in doubt,
whip it out.
Posted by: Jeffrey Toobin at April 29, 2025 02:26 PM (0sNs1)
Isn't that one of Zombieland's rules?
whip it out.
Posted by: Jeffrey Toobin at April 29, 2025 02:26 PM (0sNs1)
Isn't that one of Zombieland's rules?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 29, 2025 02:29 PM (N39Ws)
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[i197 It's never too early to whip it out.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:22 PM
Indeed.
When in doubt,
whip it out.
Posted by: Jeffrey Toobin
Works for us.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:22 PM
Indeed.
When in doubt,
whip it out.
Posted by: Jeffrey Toobin
Works for us.
Posted by: GOP at April 29, 2025 02:29 PM (/U5Yz)
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Holy crap. The entire world is slapping huge tariffs on Chinese steel. Xi wanted the PRC to completely dominate world steel production, and, instead, Chinese steel manufacturers are shutting down furnaces, companies, going bankrupt, and laying off hundreds of thousands of steelworkers.
Posted by: mrp
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Worse. When a steel furnace shuts down, it takes a major effort and expense to restart production from a cold furnace.
Same for a lot of continuous process manufacturing.
Posted by: mrp
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Worse. When a steel furnace shuts down, it takes a major effort and expense to restart production from a cold furnace.
Same for a lot of continuous process manufacturing.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:29 PM (ctrM5)
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whig, the expansion of credit in the US was fueled by the need to support ag and industrial production following WWI. All countries had that issue, but the US used easy credit which was supported by the brand new Fed.
This by the way was the source of increased capitalization in ag - about tjhe end of WWI was when there were swathers and harvesters appearing locally, I have a letter my great grandfather wrote about that.
When the economy looked dicey in the face of the default of the German bonds and the possible contagion, the Fed tightened up to prevent serious inflation, and that caused the end of the business cycle, but the cycle was created in the first place by trying to prevent the post war slump.
Capitalization did lead to overproduction which was then shipped overseas which was a good thing, when that turned around during the depression, FDR tried to keep the producers solvent by reducing the supply through restrictions on production, and that had a huge influence on feeding non-farm workers
This by the way was the source of increased capitalization in ag - about tjhe end of WWI was when there were swathers and harvesters appearing locally, I have a letter my great grandfather wrote about that.
When the economy looked dicey in the face of the default of the German bonds and the possible contagion, the Fed tightened up to prevent serious inflation, and that caused the end of the business cycle, but the cycle was created in the first place by trying to prevent the post war slump.
Capitalization did lead to overproduction which was then shipped overseas which was a good thing, when that turned around during the depression, FDR tried to keep the producers solvent by reducing the supply through restrictions on production, and that had a huge influence on feeding non-farm workers
Posted by: Kindltot at April 29, 2025 02:29 PM (D7oie)
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Scott Jennings
@ScottJenningsKY
Joe Biden's biggest supporter in Congress, @RepJamesClyburn, says he had no idea Joe Biden was in severe mental decline.
LORD HAVE MERCY. The scandal deepens
... wanted: great men and women
@ScottJenningsKY
Joe Biden's biggest supporter in Congress, @RepJamesClyburn, says he had no idea Joe Biden was in severe mental decline.
LORD HAVE MERCY. The scandal deepens
... wanted: great men and women
Posted by: SMOD at April 29, 2025 02:29 PM (RHGPo)
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ethane
methane
propane
butane
Just how many anes are there?
Posted by: DaveA
Just watch out for Oxidane. 100% of people exposed to it die.
methane
propane
butane
Just how many anes are there?
Posted by: DaveA
Just watch out for Oxidane. 100% of people exposed to it die.
Posted by: mikeski at April 29, 2025 02:29 PM (55y8M)
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Cease and desist with the disparagement and derogation of cracking in all forms or manners.
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Posted by: Attorneys for Plumbers & Pipefitters Local Union 286 at April 29, 2025 02:30 PM (i24o9)
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Holy crap. The entire world is slapping huge tariffs on Chinese steel. Xi wanted the PRC to completely dominate world steel production, and, instead, Chinese steel manufacturers are shutting down furnaces, companies, going bankrupt, and laying off hundreds of thousands of steelworkers.
Posted by: mrp at April 29, 2025 02:28 PM
There's lots of crap in Chinese steel.
Posted by: mrp at April 29, 2025 02:28 PM
There's lots of crap in Chinese steel.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 29, 2025 02:30 PM (0sNs1)
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 02:24 PM (GBKbO)
Yeah and Democrats only have the regular working class people like Taylor Swift, Beyoncé, the banks, every lawyer in the country...
Yeah and Democrats only have the regular working class people like Taylor Swift, Beyoncé, the banks, every lawyer in the country...
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:30 PM (hAZeL)
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Does this mean I'll be paying more for my AOSHQ 22nd anniversary plastic penis pump?
Do plastic penises even need a pump?
Do plastic penises even need a pump?
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at April 29, 2025 02:30 PM (w9Wax)
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Never say never. We already use more automation than the Chinese, and the future is even more automated manufacturing. I think we can get costs much lower.
Nope. American Manufacturing is already more automated than we can support. We're at least a generation away from raising the amount of technical expertise needed. And so is the rest of the world. I see it daily. Thats my trade.
The trend, right now, is going back to more manual systems. Because thats what we can support.
Nope. American Manufacturing is already more automated than we can support. We're at least a generation away from raising the amount of technical expertise needed. And so is the rest of the world. I see it daily. Thats my trade.
The trend, right now, is going back to more manual systems. Because thats what we can support.
Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson at April 29, 2025 02:30 PM (McYvC)
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Do plastic penises even need a pump?
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks
Sounds like a question for our resident dildo expert.
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks
Sounds like a question for our resident dildo expert.
Posted by: Bulg at April 29, 2025 02:31 PM (77rzZ)
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That damn Trump!
Rod Dreher@roddreher
So Donald Trump's fat mouth might have done the once-unthinkable: returned Trudeau's party to office in Canada. My tolerance for Trump's pointlessly destructive crap has come to an end. If somehow a miracle happens, and Poilievre wins, it will be no thanks to the US president.
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Trump made the Canucks vote stupid!
Rod Dreher@roddreher
So Donald Trump's fat mouth might have done the once-unthinkable: returned Trudeau's party to office in Canada. My tolerance for Trump's pointlessly destructive crap has come to an end. If somehow a miracle happens, and Poilievre wins, it will be no thanks to the US president.
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Trump made the Canucks vote stupid!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 02:31 PM (L/fGl)
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[Trump to Xi:] "One Word: Plastics Ethane."
Posted by: ShainS at April 29, 2025 02:31 PM (Baxcy)
Posted by: DNC at April 29, 2025 02:31 PM (/U5Yz)
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See, Bessent did say, "don't do anything rash!". And the Chicoms who depended on the kindness of strangers acted stupidly.
Posted by: runner at April 29, 2025 02:31 PM (g47mK)
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214 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 02:24 PM (GBKbO)
Yeah and Democrats only have the regular working class people like Taylor Swift, Beyoncé, the banks, every lawyer in the country...
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:30 PM (hAZeL)
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I know, it's not entirely fair a narrative.
Billionaires support both sides. It should be a laughable line.
But the line is really just for true believer small donors and, hopefully, some soft-headed listeners here or there to reinforce pre-existing biases.
I don't put much stock in the narratives trying to be spun by politicians. Political alignment is more about cultural markers than anything else. Hard to change that with a slogan about billionaires.
Yeah and Democrats only have the regular working class people like Taylor Swift, Beyoncé, the banks, every lawyer in the country...
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:30 PM (hAZeL)
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I know, it's not entirely fair a narrative.
Billionaires support both sides. It should be a laughable line.
But the line is really just for true believer small donors and, hopefully, some soft-headed listeners here or there to reinforce pre-existing biases.
I don't put much stock in the narratives trying to be spun by politicians. Political alignment is more about cultural markers than anything else. Hard to change that with a slogan about billionaires.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 02:31 PM (GBKbO)
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Plastics is the future !
Posted by: runner at April 29, 2025 02:31 PM (g47mK)
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Pull my finger. Methane.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 02:32 PM (VUnvY)
225
The Canucks are like Europe, they want a master to beat them when they are bad and think for themselves.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 02:32 PM (t0Rmr)
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I don't really follow that theory or any developments related to that.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:24 PM (i24o9)
What *do* you follow?
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:24 PM (i24o9)
What *do* you follow?
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:32 PM (hAZeL)
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That damn Trump!
Rod Dreher@roddreher
So Donald Trump's fat mouth might have done the once-unthinkable: returned Trudeau's party to office in Canada. My tolerance for Trump's pointlessly destructive crap has come to an end. If somehow a miracle happens, and Poilievre wins, it will be no thanks to the US president.
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Trump made the Canucks vote stupid!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 02:31 PM (L/fGl)
Now we know who reads what.
Rod Dreher@roddreher
So Donald Trump's fat mouth might have done the once-unthinkable: returned Trudeau's party to office in Canada. My tolerance for Trump's pointlessly destructive crap has come to an end. If somehow a miracle happens, and Poilievre wins, it will be no thanks to the US president.
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Trump made the Canucks vote stupid!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 02:31 PM (L/fGl)
Now we know who reads what.
Posted by: Attorneys for Plumbers & Pipefitters Local Union 286 at April 29, 2025 02:32 PM (i24o9)
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Look, if you are rich enough, they will let you walk right up and grab em by the ethane.
Posted by: Donnie Two Scoops at April 29, 2025 02:32 PM (o3121)
229
Just watch out for Oxidane. 100% of people exposed to it die.
Posted by: mikeski at April 29, 2025 02:29 PM
Hydroxylic acid and hydrol are equally nasty, as well.
Posted by: mikeski at April 29, 2025 02:29 PM
Hydroxylic acid and hydrol are equally nasty, as well.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 29, 2025 02:32 PM (0sNs1)
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90% of the crap they export has some form of plastic framing it.
Posted by: Orson at April 29, 2025 02:00 PM (dIske)
90% of the crap the export IS plastic.
Posted by: Orson at April 29, 2025 02:00 PM (dIske)
90% of the crap the export IS plastic.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at April 29, 2025 02:32 PM (WIBSw)
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Yeah, it was mostly a throw away comment, kind of like agitating the con-trail people. I don't really follow that theory or any developments related to that.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:24 PM (i24o9)
You know, I don't think ChemTrails is such a good conspiracy theory anymore since the Brits are now actively doing it.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:24 PM (i24o9)
You know, I don't think ChemTrails is such a good conspiracy theory anymore since the Brits are now actively doing it.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 29, 2025 02:33 PM (D7oie)
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There's lots of crap in Chinese steel.
Yeah I have read about real complaints with the stuff, bad quality, pockets of low carbon content, inconsistent quality etc. Its like all of Chinese quality production, they cut corners, then cut those corners, and the product is a sphere by the time it leaves the door.
Yeah I have read about real complaints with the stuff, bad quality, pockets of low carbon content, inconsistent quality etc. Its like all of Chinese quality production, they cut corners, then cut those corners, and the product is a sphere by the time it leaves the door.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:33 PM (2VST1)
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Trump made the Canucks vote stupid!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 02:31 PM (L/fGl)
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Is there nothing that his Puppet-Master Putin (you magnificent bastard!) cannot do?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 02:31 PM (L/fGl)
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Is there nothing that his Puppet-Master Putin (you magnificent bastard!) cannot do?
Posted by: ShainS at April 29, 2025 02:33 PM (Baxcy)
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But we're never going to be able to make this stuff as cheaply as China where the average factory worker makes like $10k a year.
One of the things about Trump that amazes me is that he seems to sincerely think that American workers and American industry can compete globally on a level playing field.
I would very much like to think that this is true, too. But it is obviously that most politicians, left and “right” do not, nor do most of the anointed. It never evens occurs to them to consider.
One of the things about Trump that amazes me is that he seems to sincerely think that American workers and American industry can compete globally on a level playing field.
I would very much like to think that this is true, too. But it is obviously that most politicians, left and “right” do not, nor do most of the anointed. It never evens occurs to them to consider.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 29, 2025 02:33 PM (EXyHK)
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If the items are already in Amazon's warehouse, do tariffs even apply? Or was the idea considering replacement cost?
Posted by: toby928
You get into a weird area of the law and trade, just like the bonded whisky warehouses, taxes can be paid including tariffs when the object leaves the warehouse but is not levied and inspected before. Essentially the warehouse is treated as foreign territory.
Much more convenient than having the goods rot onboard a ship which would give the same advantage but at a higher storage fee needed to keep the ship in port without unloading.
That was a plotline in the first Eddie Murphy Beverly Hills Cop movie btw.
Posted by: toby928
You get into a weird area of the law and trade, just like the bonded whisky warehouses, taxes can be paid including tariffs when the object leaves the warehouse but is not levied and inspected before. Essentially the warehouse is treated as foreign territory.
Much more convenient than having the goods rot onboard a ship which would give the same advantage but at a higher storage fee needed to keep the ship in port without unloading.
That was a plotline in the first Eddie Murphy Beverly Hills Cop movie btw.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:33 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at April 29, 2025 02:33 PM (5hfjS)
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VOTE VANCE!
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith just wants to vote for Vance at April 29, 2025 02:34 PM (ItFTg)
Posted by: Eric Clapton at April 29, 2025 02:34 PM (BVNfk)
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What *do* you follow?
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:32 PM (hAZeL)
Currently, baseball, specifically, little league and middle school. Spent about two hours yesterday on catcher blocking drills, form, and confidence.
Today, pitching.
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:32 PM (hAZeL)
Currently, baseball, specifically, little league and middle school. Spent about two hours yesterday on catcher blocking drills, form, and confidence.
Today, pitching.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:34 PM (i24o9)
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210 Scott Jennings
@ScottJenningsKY
Joe Biden's biggest supporter in Congress, @RepJamesClyburn, says he had no idea Joe Biden was in severe mental decline.
LORD HAVE MERCY. The scandal deepens
... wanted: great men and women
Posted by: SMOD at April 29, 2025 02:29 PM (RHGPo)
____________________________
Clyburn, who was very instrumental in the voting hijinks of 2020 (and even the democrat primary) didn't receive a pardon from Biden. That's rather shocking unless you accept the fact that Biden had no idea who was being pardoned, and someone else was choosing. That seems pretty clear.
@ScottJenningsKY
Joe Biden's biggest supporter in Congress, @RepJamesClyburn, says he had no idea Joe Biden was in severe mental decline.
LORD HAVE MERCY. The scandal deepens
... wanted: great men and women
Posted by: SMOD at April 29, 2025 02:29 PM (RHGPo)
____________________________
Clyburn, who was very instrumental in the voting hijinks of 2020 (and even the democrat primary) didn't receive a pardon from Biden. That's rather shocking unless you accept the fact that Biden had no idea who was being pardoned, and someone else was choosing. That seems pretty clear.
Posted by: Orson at April 29, 2025 02:34 PM (dIske)
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Narrative: Trump only appeals to the lowest common denominator of the dumb uneducated working classes!
Also Narrative: Trump only appeals to billionaires!!!
Narrative: Trump only appeals to the lowest common denominator of the dumb uneducated working classes!
Also Narrative: Trump only appeals to billionaires!!!
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:34 PM (hAZeL)
Posted by: Bulg at April 29, 2025 02:34 PM (77rzZ)
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At this point I don't think anyone is buying the "billionaires" thing from the left, even their base. You note that its only a couple of cranks even bringing that up these days. Literally nothing Trump is doing helps billionaires out.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:34 PM (2VST1)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:35 PM (2VST1)
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Currently, baseball, specifically, little league and middle school. Spent about two hours yesterday on catcher blocking drills, form, and confidence.
Today, pitching.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:34 PM (i24o9)
It's a fine game.
Today, pitching.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:34 PM (i24o9)
It's a fine game.
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:35 PM (hAZeL)
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FDR tried to keep the producers solvent by reducing the supply through restrictions on production, and that had a huge influence on feeding non-farm workers
Slaughtered livestock and burned crops while people formed soup lines. So, of course, we made memorials for the guy.
Slaughtered livestock and burned crops while people formed soup lines. So, of course, we made memorials for the guy.
Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson at April 29, 2025 02:35 PM (McYvC)
Posted by: Jack’s Tummy at April 29, 2025 02:36 PM (EXyHK)
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246 FDR tried to keep the producers solvent by reducing the supply through restrictions on production, and that had a huge influence on feeding non-farm workers
Slaughtered livestock and burned crops while people formed soup lines. So, of course, we made memorials for the guy.
Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson at April 29, 2025 02:35 PM (McYvC)
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Have you seen the FDR memorial in DC?
It's huge.
And brutalistly hideous.
Slaughtered livestock and burned crops while people formed soup lines. So, of course, we made memorials for the guy.
Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson at April 29, 2025 02:35 PM (McYvC)
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Have you seen the FDR memorial in DC?
It's huge.
And brutalistly hideous.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 02:36 PM (GBKbO)
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Don't take Oreolic if you're allergic to Oreolic.
Posted by: The Legal Department at April 29, 2025 02:36 PM (BVNfk)
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Slaughtered livestock and burned crops while people formed soup lines. So, of course, we made memorials for the guy.
Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson
But his cigarette holder was so cool!
Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson
But his cigarette holder was so cool!
Posted by: Bulg at April 29, 2025 02:36 PM (77rzZ)
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Yeah I have read about real complaints with the stuff, bad quality, pockets of low carbon content, inconsistent quality etc. Its like all of Chinese quality production, they cut corners, then cut those corners, and the product is a sphere by the time it leaves the door.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Absolutely real. Back when I was doing a bit of gunsmithing on the side for a hobby, Chinesium steel was a problem along with their aluminum products for ARs. Apparently this was even true when the major export from China was china and ceramics. The merchant would produce excellent goods initally to get word of mouth going as to quality and price and then the merchant/mfg would consistently reduce quality and costs to a minimum while keeping the price as it was.
Then the whole cycle would begin again.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Absolutely real. Back when I was doing a bit of gunsmithing on the side for a hobby, Chinesium steel was a problem along with their aluminum products for ARs. Apparently this was even true when the major export from China was china and ceramics. The merchant would produce excellent goods initally to get word of mouth going as to quality and price and then the merchant/mfg would consistently reduce quality and costs to a minimum while keeping the price as it was.
Then the whole cycle would begin again.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:36 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: DaveA at April 29, 2025 02:36 PM (FhXTo)
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It's a fine game.
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:35 PM (hAZeL)
Games within games, within games. Even down to the very basics of body mechanics. It can be fascinating.
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:35 PM (hAZeL)
Games within games, within games. Even down to the very basics of body mechanics. It can be fascinating.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:37 PM (i24o9)
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Yesterday: See?? Taylor Swift and Beyoncé love us!!!!
Today: Republicans are the party of billionaires!!
Yesterday: See?? Taylor Swift and Beyoncé love us!!!!
Today: Republicans are the party of billionaires!!
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:37 PM (hAZeL)
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Have you seen the FDR memorial in DC?
It's huge.
And brutalistly hideous.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Suitable. Similar to his reign as Prezzie.
It's huge.
And brutalistly hideous.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Suitable. Similar to his reign as Prezzie.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:37 PM (ctrM5)
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New York Post
@nypost
Trump signs order requiring truck drivers to speak English, pass literacy tests as ‘communication problems’ mount https://trib.al/eg530FH
@nypost
Trump signs order requiring truck drivers to speak English, pass literacy tests as ‘communication problems’ mount https://trib.al/eg530FH
Posted by: redridinghood at April 29, 2025 02:38 PM (NpAcC)
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Who wouldn't want to join a party of billionaires?
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 02:38 PM (VUnvY)
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>> One of Amazon's efficiencies was in using Just In Time stocking methods and often shipping directly from China or elsewhere using the de minimus tariff exclusion.
Almost everything I’ve ever ordered from Amazon has come from US-based fulfillment centers. Amazon can deliver things in two days or less; hard to do if they’re drop-shipping from China.
Almost everything I’ve ever ordered from Amazon has come from US-based fulfillment centers. Amazon can deliver things in two days or less; hard to do if they’re drop-shipping from China.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 02:39 PM (l3YAf)
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Trump signs order requiring truck drivers to speak English, pass literacy tests as ‘communication problems’ mount https://trib.al/eg530FH
Posted by: redridinghood
As a British bobbie writes out a warrant for his arrest for a hate crime.
Posted by: redridinghood
As a British bobbie writes out a warrant for his arrest for a hate crime.
Posted by: Bulg at April 29, 2025 02:39 PM (77rzZ)
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Collin Rugg@CollinRugg
NEW: Former CNN reporter Chris Cillizza says journalists were *not* covering up Biden's mental decline but were rather just too trusting of the Biden White House.
"I think it was an inherent and sort of unconscious bias more than a conscious bias."
The clowns in the media never cared about reporting on Biden's obvious mental decline until they realized there was no way he would beat Trump.
That's the truth.
And now they're trying to save face.
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Well, he does have a point. Journalists are dumber than dog shit.
NEW: Former CNN reporter Chris Cillizza says journalists were *not* covering up Biden's mental decline but were rather just too trusting of the Biden White House.
"I think it was an inherent and sort of unconscious bias more than a conscious bias."
The clowns in the media never cared about reporting on Biden's obvious mental decline until they realized there was no way he would beat Trump.
That's the truth.
And now they're trying to save face.
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Well, he does have a point. Journalists are dumber than dog shit.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 02:39 PM (L/fGl)
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Trump made the Canucks vote stupid!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 02:31 PM (L/fGl)
All part of the plan. A strong canada is a threat to the US by dumping their fat, banana hammock wearing, non-tipping cheap ass tourists on our Southern beaches during the winter months. A weak canada means they stay home and enjoy their muslim and chinese overlords while waiting a year or two for their colonoscopies.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 02:31 PM (L/fGl)
All part of the plan. A strong canada is a threat to the US by dumping their fat, banana hammock wearing, non-tipping cheap ass tourists on our Southern beaches during the winter months. A weak canada means they stay home and enjoy their muslim and chinese overlords while waiting a year or two for their colonoscopies.
Posted by: President Donald Trump, Shot Caller at April 29, 2025 02:39 PM (979V4)
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Rod Dreher@roddreher
So Donald Trump's fat mouth might have done the once-unthinkable: returned Trudeau's party to office in Canada. My tolerance for Trump's pointlessly destructive crap has come to an end. If somehow a miracle happens, and Poilievre wins, it will be no thanks to the US president.
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Trump made the Canucks vote stupid!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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Dreher is a notorious NR alum who fled to Hungary because he thought the US was doomed. His Crunchy Conservative schtick and his periodic mental issues make him an unreliable pundit.
So Donald Trump's fat mouth might have done the once-unthinkable: returned Trudeau's party to office in Canada. My tolerance for Trump's pointlessly destructive crap has come to an end. If somehow a miracle happens, and Poilievre wins, it will be no thanks to the US president.
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Trump made the Canucks vote stupid!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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Dreher is a notorious NR alum who fled to Hungary because he thought the US was doomed. His Crunchy Conservative schtick and his periodic mental issues make him an unreliable pundit.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:39 PM (ctrM5)
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t's never too early to whip it out.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:22 PM
Just remember to be polite about it when you do.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:22 PM
Just remember to be polite about it when you do.
Posted by: Sheriff Bart at April 29, 2025 02:39 PM (kgE5c)
Posted by: wolverine cut-loop at April 29, 2025 02:40 PM (mlg/3)
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Have you seen the FDR memorial in DC?
And weird. When I went, his puppy was more popular than he was.
They seemed to have had to search hard to find a quote for the memorial as well, finding only a long one that needed shortening and explanatory parentheses.
“They (who) seek to establish systems of government based on the regimentation of all human beings by a handful of individual rulers… call this a new order. It is not new and it is not order.”
And weird. When I went, his puppy was more popular than he was.
They seemed to have had to search hard to find a quote for the memorial as well, finding only a long one that needed shortening and explanatory parentheses.
“They (who) seek to establish systems of government based on the regimentation of all human beings by a handful of individual rulers… call this a new order. It is not new and it is not order.”
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 29, 2025 02:40 PM (EXyHK)
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"Never say never. We already use more automation than the Chinese, and the future is even more automated manufacturing. I think we can get costs much lower."
Depending on the industry, be careful in assuming this. America often makes low volume product runs now.
And you would be shocked to see Vietnam factories running the same or BETTER automated machinery that I have seen in the USA or Taiwan.
Swiss made laser cutting. Robotic welding.
A Vietnam metal working plant looks very similar to a USA one - both used Amada machinery - both Amada Japan and Amada USA machinery.
Also, China has a lot of robotics for simple machine presses now.
Depending on the industry, be careful in assuming this. America often makes low volume product runs now.
And you would be shocked to see Vietnam factories running the same or BETTER automated machinery that I have seen in the USA or Taiwan.
Swiss made laser cutting. Robotic welding.
A Vietnam metal working plant looks very similar to a USA one - both used Amada machinery - both Amada Japan and Amada USA machinery.
Also, China has a lot of robotics for simple machine presses now.
Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2025 02:40 PM (IuIym)
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And wash your hands when you're done.
Posted by: Just the punchline at April 29, 2025 02:40 PM (BVNfk)
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See, Bessent did say, "don't do anything rash!". And the Chicoms who depended on the kindness of strangers acted stupidly.
Posted by: runner
Xi: We no lash!
Posted by: runner
Xi: We no lash!
Posted by: rickb223 at April 29, 2025 02:40 PM (KP+Ym)
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Trump signs order requiring truck drivers to speak English, pass literacy tests as ‘communication problems’ mount
While this does seem like a good idea I have two problems with this.
First, even if you buy the "commerce clause allows us to do anything" argument... that's for congress, not the president.
Second, this is guaranteed to be blocked in court as requiring a test for employment.
While this does seem like a good idea I have two problems with this.
First, even if you buy the "commerce clause allows us to do anything" argument... that's for congress, not the president.
Second, this is guaranteed to be blocked in court as requiring a test for employment.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:40 PM (2VST1)
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Their initial satellite images showed a total of 6107 Russian tanks in all depots in 2021, whereas their most recent count only shows 3,345. However: “Virtually every one of these tanks left is in absolutely horrible condition. Before the war it was probably closer to 50/50, but those good ones since have been the ones that were grabbed from storage first.” They also note that the initial number was almost certainly higher than the ones they could count, as they were probably better vehicles stored in garages. They estimate that pretty much all of those are now gone.
By at least one estimate, those 10,000 theoretical tanks have already been destroyed.
By at least one estimate, those 10,000 theoretical tanks have already been destroyed.
Posted by: SMOD at April 29, 2025 02:40 PM (RHGPo)
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His Crunchy Conservative schtick and his periodic mental issues make him an unreliable pundit.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:39 PM (ctrM5)
Don't knock periodic mental issues until you've tried them.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:39 PM (ctrM5)
Don't knock periodic mental issues until you've tried them.
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:41 PM (hAZeL)
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Eh, if there wasn't a way to spin it as "Trump folds" it would never be reported ...
Me, I'm'a say "it's all the Art of the Deal", and it's not over till it's over ...
Me, I'm'a say "it's all the Art of the Deal", and it's not over till it's over ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 29, 2025 02:41 PM (/Ghsb)
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252 dead retail and restaurant chains
Anyone ever see a bodega in an old pizza-hut?
Posted by: DaveA at April 29, 2025 02:36 PM (FhXTo)
______________________
Pizza Hut lore. They used to be pretty prevalent around my region, but have since disappeared. Every time I heard of one being eliminated I high tailed it over there and met with the manager. I used to love a specific salad dressing that only they sold (and manufactured). It was called "Romano Dressing". It was delivered by their distributor in 5 gallon plastic containers. There was a time when I had 3 Five Gallon containers of that stuff in my garage fridge.
I slipped the manager a $20 and he/she hooked me up as they closed out.
Anyone ever see a bodega in an old pizza-hut?
Posted by: DaveA at April 29, 2025 02:36 PM (FhXTo)
______________________
Pizza Hut lore. They used to be pretty prevalent around my region, but have since disappeared. Every time I heard of one being eliminated I high tailed it over there and met with the manager. I used to love a specific salad dressing that only they sold (and manufactured). It was called "Romano Dressing". It was delivered by their distributor in 5 gallon plastic containers. There was a time when I had 3 Five Gallon containers of that stuff in my garage fridge.
I slipped the manager a $20 and he/she hooked me up as they closed out.
Posted by: Orson at April 29, 2025 02:42 PM (dIske)
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Swiss made laser cutting. Robotic welding.
A Vietnam metal working plant looks very similar to a USA one - both used Amada machinery - both Amada Japan and Amada USA machinery.
Also, China has a lot of robotics for simple machine presses now.
Posted by: Harun
Pokeestan still holding the metal still with their bare feets while a cow orker hammers it with a sledgehammer.
A Vietnam metal working plant looks very similar to a USA one - both used Amada machinery - both Amada Japan and Amada USA machinery.
Also, China has a lot of robotics for simple machine presses now.
Posted by: Harun
Pokeestan still holding the metal still with their bare feets while a cow orker hammers it with a sledgehammer.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 29, 2025 02:42 PM (KP+Ym)
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The name discriminates against alcohols and amines.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 02:12 PM
That's positively alcoholist and aminist!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 02:12 PM
That's positively alcoholist and aminist!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 29, 2025 02:42 PM (0sNs1)
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Former CNN reporter Chris Cillizza says journalists were *not* covering up Biden's mental decline but were rather just too trusting of the Biden White House. "I think it was an inherent and sort of unconscious bias more than a conscious bias."
And he thinks that makes it look better for them?
And he thinks that makes it look better for them?
Posted by: Oddbob at April 29, 2025 02:42 PM (/y8xj)
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Have you seen the FDR memorial in DC? It's huge. And brutalistly hideous.[-"/i]
Only in pictures. They got it wrong. Should have been a big Soviet style statue. Because that guy inspired an entire American cult of central control, forced scarcity, and enforced conformity that would have made Stalin proud.
Can't stand FDR. He was awful. Those who STILL laud the guy are aspiring tyrants. Thats part of why we are here now. Our elites want to recreate FDR America. Where they mobilize us whether we like it or not.
Only in pictures. They got it wrong. Should have been a big Soviet style statue. Because that guy inspired an entire American cult of central control, forced scarcity, and enforced conformity that would have made Stalin proud.
Can't stand FDR. He was awful. Those who STILL laud the guy are aspiring tyrants. Thats part of why we are here now. Our elites want to recreate FDR America. Where they mobilize us whether we like it or not.
Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson at April 29, 2025 02:43 PM (McYvC)
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As long as this doesn't interfere with my hydroxycut shipments we're good.
As long as this doesn't interfere with my hydroxycut shipments we're good.
Posted by: Eric Swallwell at April 29, 2025 02:43 PM (IifOV)
Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson at April 29, 2025 02:44 PM (McYvC)
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"I think it was an inherent and sort of unconscious bias more than a conscious bias."
And he thinks that makes it look better for them?
Posted by: Oddbob at April 29, 2025 02:42 PM (/y8xj)
MSM: We're not dishonest, just stupid.
America: We know.
And he thinks that makes it look better for them?
Posted by: Oddbob at April 29, 2025 02:42 PM (/y8xj)
MSM: We're not dishonest, just stupid.
America: We know.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:44 PM (i24o9)
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Trump signs order requiring truck drivers to speak English, pass literacy tests as ‘communication problems’ mount
While this does seem like a good idea I have two problems with this.
First, even if you buy the "commerce clause allows us to do anything" argument... that's for congress, not the president.
Second, this is guaranteed to be blocked in court as requiring a test for employment.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
That's federal DOT rules, isn't it? Trmup is just enforcing it.
While this does seem like a good idea I have two problems with this.
First, even if you buy the "commerce clause allows us to do anything" argument... that's for congress, not the president.
Second, this is guaranteed to be blocked in court as requiring a test for employment.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
That's federal DOT rules, isn't it? Trmup is just enforcing it.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 29, 2025 02:44 PM (KP+Ym)
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The name discriminates against...amines.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 02:12 PM
Posted by: Duncanthrax
That Ugandan bastard deserves to be discriminated against.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 29, 2025 02:12 PM
Posted by: Duncanthrax
That Ugandan bastard deserves to be discriminated against.
Posted by: Bulg at April 29, 2025 02:44 PM (77rzZ)
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Holy crap. The entire world is slapping huge tariffs on Chinese steel. Xi wanted the PRC to completely dominate world steel production, and, instead, Chinese steel manufacturers are shutting down furnaces, companies, going bankrupt, and laying off hundreds of thousands of steelworkers.
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Saw one of the hydraulic press videos, where they crush stuff for fun and profit.
Item 1 - Chinese made sledgehammer. Compacts and bulged under pressure.
Item 2 - American steel sledgehammer from the 1920's or so. Sits there and takes it like a boss, "that all you got?"
He then polishes, cleans, paints and re-handles the hammer head.
It'll be around in another 100 years.
The Chinese one won't.
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Saw one of the hydraulic press videos, where they crush stuff for fun and profit.
Item 1 - Chinese made sledgehammer. Compacts and bulged under pressure.
Item 2 - American steel sledgehammer from the 1920's or so. Sits there and takes it like a boss, "that all you got?"
He then polishes, cleans, paints and re-handles the hammer head.
It'll be around in another 100 years.
The Chinese one won't.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 29, 2025 02:44 PM (NwfFc)
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LOL, everyone, Horde is on it's game today!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 29, 2025 02:45 PM (/Ghsb)
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But we're never going to be able to make this stuff as cheaply as China where the average factory worker makes like $10k a year.
Posted by: Leupold at April 29, 2025 02:21 PM (4pwAx)
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That's an important part of it, and the main reason why the PRC can't soften the tariff impact on the economy by expanding the domestic economy - the lack of disposable income. The elite class don't have the raw purchasing power to make a difference, and they prefer imports (no matter what the tariff rate) anyway.
The other built-in advantage is the utter disregard for the environmental impact of their manufacturing and refining sectors on their fellow citizens. Protecting the environment and the public's health is of less concern to the political class than using the government's economic advantages as a means of extending influence and power around the globe.
Posted by: Leupold at April 29, 2025 02:21 PM (4pwAx)
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That's an important part of it, and the main reason why the PRC can't soften the tariff impact on the economy by expanding the domestic economy - the lack of disposable income. The elite class don't have the raw purchasing power to make a difference, and they prefer imports (no matter what the tariff rate) anyway.
The other built-in advantage is the utter disregard for the environmental impact of their manufacturing and refining sectors on their fellow citizens. Protecting the environment and the public's health is of less concern to the political class than using the government's economic advantages as a means of extending influence and power around the globe.
Posted by: mrp at April 29, 2025 02:45 PM (rj6Yv)
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Rod Dreher@roddreher
So Donald Trump's fat mouth might have done the once-unthinkable: returned Trudeau's party to office in Canada. My tolerance for Trump's pointlessly destructive crap has come to an end. If somehow a miracle happens, and Poilievre wins, it will be no thanks to the US president.
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He sounds concerned.
Probably a lack of fiber in his diet.
So Donald Trump's fat mouth might have done the once-unthinkable: returned Trudeau's party to office in Canada. My tolerance for Trump's pointlessly destructive crap has come to an end. If somehow a miracle happens, and Poilievre wins, it will be no thanks to the US president.
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He sounds concerned.
Probably a lack of fiber in his diet.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 29, 2025 02:45 PM (NwfFc)
Posted by: It's amazing at April 29, 2025 02:45 PM (BVNfk)
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Eh, if there wasn't a way to spin it as "Trump folds" it would never be reported
And yet I doubt he gives a single damn how they report it or what they claim. If anything, that helps him negotiate, people thinking he's weak or malleable.
And yet I doubt he gives a single damn how they report it or what they claim. If anything, that helps him negotiate, people thinking he's weak or malleable.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:45 PM (2VST1)
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Almost everything I’ve ever ordered from Amazon has come from US-based fulfillment centers. Amazon can deliver things in two days or less; hard to do if they’re drop-shipping from China.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director
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Both Fedex and UPS facilitated direct air from China for a lot of things. Not coincidentally today, UPS announced it was leaving the shipping biz relationship with Amazon because of low profit margins and declining volume.
If you are buying the roughly 20-25 percent of product that Amazon has rapid turnover, then it comes from Amazon warehouses.
If you buy something like auto parts, etc., if you buy directly from Amazon excluding fulfilled by Amazon or store front orders, you will see direct shipping from foreign places.
I have bought quite a bit from Amazon for various projects due to availability and the odd one off thing-a-ma-bobs like fender liners, etc. come from abroad--either Taiwan or China direct.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director
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Both Fedex and UPS facilitated direct air from China for a lot of things. Not coincidentally today, UPS announced it was leaving the shipping biz relationship with Amazon because of low profit margins and declining volume.
If you are buying the roughly 20-25 percent of product that Amazon has rapid turnover, then it comes from Amazon warehouses.
If you buy something like auto parts, etc., if you buy directly from Amazon excluding fulfilled by Amazon or store front orders, you will see direct shipping from foreign places.
I have bought quite a bit from Amazon for various projects due to availability and the odd one off thing-a-ma-bobs like fender liners, etc. come from abroad--either Taiwan or China direct.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:45 PM (ctrM5)
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[OAN Headline:] Senator Hawley (R-Mo.) Reintroduces ‘PELOSI Act’ (“Preventing Elected Leaders from Owning Securities and Investments Act” Which Would Ban Congress From Trading Stocks: ‘It’s Time’
https://is.gd/2NOhoA
Which Would Ban Congress From Trading Stocks: ‘It’s Time’
https://is.gd/2NOhoA
Posted by: ShainS at April 29, 2025 02:46 PM (Lyqos)
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A lot of my industry has gone to India, & the USA with successful results. Pricing is all over the place though.
Posted by: Frank Barone at April 29, 2025 02:46 PM (IifOV)
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Former CNN reporter Chris Cillizza says journalists were *not* covering up Biden's mental decline but were rather just too trusting of the Biden White House. "I think it was an inherent and sort of unconscious bias more than a conscious bias."
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When you cover up something, do you generally later admit it, or do you continue to deny your part in it by lying some more? AFAF
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When you cover up something, do you generally later admit it, or do you continue to deny your part in it by lying some more? AFAF
Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 02:46 PM (hAZeL)
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276 Former CNN reporter Chris Cillizza says journalists were *not* covering up Biden's mental decline but were rather just too trusting of the Biden White House. "I think it was an inherent and sort of unconscious bias more than a conscious bias."
And he thinks that makes it look better for them?
Posted by: Oddbob at April 29, 2025 02:42 PM (/y8xj)
They are hired to write about Politics because of their deep understanding of the Subject, and Leaders involved...
So, they either lied on purpose... knowingly...
or lied out of Pure INCOMPETENCE...
Take yer pick MSM.
And he thinks that makes it look better for them?
Posted by: Oddbob at April 29, 2025 02:42 PM (/y8xj)
They are hired to write about Politics because of their deep understanding of the Subject, and Leaders involved...
So, they either lied on purpose... knowingly...
or lied out of Pure INCOMPETENCE...
Take yer pick MSM.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 29, 2025 02:46 PM (QAkQ3)
Posted by: DaveA at April 29, 2025 02:46 PM (FhXTo)
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MSM: We're not dishonest, just stupid.
America: We know.
I think they'd be better just not talking about it any more but for some reason they just keep going on and on about it.
America: We know.
I think they'd be better just not talking about it any more but for some reason they just keep going on and on about it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:46 PM (2VST1)
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First, even if you buy the "commerce clause allows us to do anything" argument... that's for congress, not the president.
Second, this is guaranteed to be blocked in court as requiring a test for employment.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:40 PM (2VST1)
Ithink first it is to be dealt with under USDoT rules, and enforced through the state's obligations under USDoT, and second it is not a test for employment, it is a test for licensing.
I remember the standard to be that it is not discriminatory to prevent someone blind from getting a license
Second, this is guaranteed to be blocked in court as requiring a test for employment.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:40 PM (2VST1)
Ithink first it is to be dealt with under USDoT rules, and enforced through the state's obligations under USDoT, and second it is not a test for employment, it is a test for licensing.
I remember the standard to be that it is not discriminatory to prevent someone blind from getting a license
Posted by: Kindltot at April 29, 2025 02:47 PM (D7oie)
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He sounds concerned.
Probably a lack of fiber in his diet.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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Dreher beat the rush, he was a surrender con before it became fashionable at NR. Adopted and flounced from several religions as well and then flounced entirely away from the US. Guy has issues that even he has admitted to openly in the past.
Probably a lack of fiber in his diet.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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Dreher beat the rush, he was a surrender con before it became fashionable at NR. Adopted and flounced from several religions as well and then flounced entirely away from the US. Guy has issues that even he has admitted to openly in the past.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:47 PM (ctrM5)
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Can't stand FDR. He was awful. Those who STILL laud the guy are aspiring tyrants. Thats part of why we are here now. Our elites want to recreate FDR America. Where they mobilize us whether we like it or not.
Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson at April 29, 2025 02:43 PM (McYvC)
Agree. FDR should have been in the docket at Nuremberg after the war. They should have made Goring slide down and make room for him even while dead. Fuck him.
Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson at April 29, 2025 02:43 PM (McYvC)
Agree. FDR should have been in the docket at Nuremberg after the war. They should have made Goring slide down and make room for him even while dead. Fuck him.
Posted by: FDR, War Criminal at April 29, 2025 02:47 PM (979V4)
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I expect a lot of disappointment and problems henceforth:
@robbystarbuck
Today I’m announcing a major multi-million dollar defamation lawsuit against @Meta, the owner of @Facebook & @Instagram.
The case is WILD and has implications for ALL OF US. On top of falsely calling me a criminal, Meta suggested my kids be taken from me.
@robbystarbuck
Today I’m announcing a major multi-million dollar defamation lawsuit against @Meta, the owner of @Facebook & @Instagram.
The case is WILD and has implications for ALL OF US. On top of falsely calling me a criminal, Meta suggested my kids be taken from me.
Posted by: wolverine cut-loop at April 29, 2025 02:47 PM (mlg/3)
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So, they either lied on purpose... knowingly...
or lied out of Pure INCOMPETENCE...
Take yer pick MSM.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 29, 2025 02:46 PM
In fairness, it's not a lie if you want to believe it.
or lied out of Pure INCOMPETENCE...
Take yer pick MSM.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 29, 2025 02:46 PM
In fairness, it's not a lie if you want to believe it.
Posted by: MSM at April 29, 2025 02:47 PM (0sNs1)
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CNN.
LOL.
LOL.
Posted by: Most people at April 29, 2025 02:48 PM (BVNfk)
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286 Rod Dreher@roddreher
So Donald Trump's fat mouth might have done the once-unthinkable: returned Trudeau's party to office in Canada. My tolerance for Trump's pointlessly destructive crap has come to an end. If somehow a miracle happens, and Poilievre wins, it will be no thanks to the US president.
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He sounds concerned.
Probably a lack of fiber in his diet.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
Isn't Rod one of those crunchy cons/NT'rs? This probably was his default take regardless the outcome. Meh.
So Donald Trump's fat mouth might have done the once-unthinkable: returned Trudeau's party to office in Canada. My tolerance for Trump's pointlessly destructive crap has come to an end. If somehow a miracle happens, and Poilievre wins, it will be no thanks to the US president.
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He sounds concerned.
Probably a lack of fiber in his diet.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
Isn't Rod one of those crunchy cons/NT'rs? This probably was his default take regardless the outcome. Meh.
Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at April 29, 2025 02:48 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 02:48 PM (L/fGl)
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Thye realized they couldn't make cheap plastic shit without cheap ethane from the U.S.
If your country is running a trade surplus with the U.S., you lose the tariff war. And the size of the deficit is how big you lose.
And Trump won the moment he announced the trade war. Because it was either negotiate or have another country eat your lunch. Also, every corporation looked at their supply chain and thought "Yeah, with tariffs, maybe I should tighten this up." And the closer that tightening was to the American market, the better. Preferably put the entire supply chain IN the American market.
If your country is running a trade surplus with the U.S., you lose the tariff war. And the size of the deficit is how big you lose.
And Trump won the moment he announced the trade war. Because it was either negotiate or have another country eat your lunch. Also, every corporation looked at their supply chain and thought "Yeah, with tariffs, maybe I should tighten this up." And the closer that tightening was to the American market, the better. Preferably put the entire supply chain IN the American market.
Posted by: El Mariachi at April 29, 2025 02:49 PM (WffFd)
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think they'd be better just not talking about it any more but for some reason they just keep going on and on about it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:46 PM (2VST1)
I think that they believe that they are smart enough to navigate the pitfalls and argue back some of their credibility.
Fitting, because they are too incompetent (and/or out of touch with reality) to realize how inept that they really are.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:46 PM (2VST1)
I think that they believe that they are smart enough to navigate the pitfalls and argue back some of their credibility.
Fitting, because they are too incompetent (and/or out of touch with reality) to realize how inept that they really are.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:49 PM (i24o9)
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A lot of my industry has gone to India, & the USA with successful results.
I want to see the US and India tight as trading partners, there's a lot of future in India. We should be reaching out to African nations too.
I have bought quite a bit from Amazon for various projects due to availability and the odd one off thing-a-ma-bobs like fender liners, etc. come from abroad--either Taiwan or China direct.
A lot of car guys have been complaining about aftermarket parts being screwy, mis-sized, etc.
I want to see the US and India tight as trading partners, there's a lot of future in India. We should be reaching out to African nations too.
I have bought quite a bit from Amazon for various projects due to availability and the odd one off thing-a-ma-bobs like fender liners, etc. come from abroad--either Taiwan or China direct.
A lot of car guys have been complaining about aftermarket parts being screwy, mis-sized, etc.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:49 PM (2VST1)
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Trump signs order requiring truck drivers to speak English, pass literacy tests as ‘communication problems’ mount
How do these people actually get their CDL-A? I'd like to get mine, but have to take a full time 6+ week course.
How do these people actually get their CDL-A? I'd like to get mine, but have to take a full time 6+ week course.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 29, 2025 02:50 PM (N39Ws)
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Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 29, 2025 02:45 PM (NwfFc)
A solid, tree loving, liberal running Canada is preferable to a Mitt Romney type "conservative" IMO. We don't have to display manners with the former, and Carney's going to prolong and enhance the already unbearable economic atmosphere in that country. There is going to be a lot of migration by their remaining (although anemic) industry to the US.
TBH, I think the current US administration wanted Carney to win, and the Liberals to hold a majority bloc.
A solid, tree loving, liberal running Canada is preferable to a Mitt Romney type "conservative" IMO. We don't have to display manners with the former, and Carney's going to prolong and enhance the already unbearable economic atmosphere in that country. There is going to be a lot of migration by their remaining (although anemic) industry to the US.
TBH, I think the current US administration wanted Carney to win, and the Liberals to hold a majority bloc.
Posted by: Orson at April 29, 2025 02:50 PM (dIske)
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If you've ever heard Clyburn speak it's possible he didn't realize Biden was demented. Two dementia patients talking past each other
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 29, 2025 02:50 PM (Er3Q7)
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I have bought quite a bit from Amazon for various projects due to availability and the odd one off thing-a-ma-bobs like fender liners, etc. come from abroad--either Taiwan or China direct.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:45 PM (ctrM5)
Yes, I’ve had Amazon orders shipped directly from abroad, too, but it’s the exception.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:45 PM (ctrM5)
Yes, I’ve had Amazon orders shipped directly from abroad, too, but it’s the exception.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 02:50 PM (l3YAf)
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CNN's ratings are hilariously bad. They are getting as low as 83,000 a night at prime time viewership. That's worse than Ace of Spades. That's a tiny fraction of the big podcasters.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 02:51 PM (2VST1)
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yeah, I'm re-handling a sledge head like that right now.
pulled it out of the dirt in an abandoned farmyard, who knows how old it is. Just an 8 cast into the sides.
Amish hardware stores are excellent for all kinds of replacement handles; there's a demographic that doesn't throw away a tool just because the handle breaks
pulled it out of the dirt in an abandoned farmyard, who knows how old it is. Just an 8 cast into the sides.
Amish hardware stores are excellent for all kinds of replacement handles; there's a demographic that doesn't throw away a tool just because the handle breaks
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 29, 2025 02:51 PM (/Ghsb)
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"Since Amazon is a logistics company first and foremost, I suspect they have a very good idea when things in their warehouses were imported."
If they did the importing.
I import to my own warehouse and then ship in.
They have no idea the age of my inventory.
If they did the importing.
I import to my own warehouse and then ship in.
They have no idea the age of my inventory.
Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2025 02:52 PM (IuIym)
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Nood and first for the taking.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 02:52 PM (i24o9)
Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at April 29, 2025 02:53 PM (et1vG)
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Don't knock periodic mental issues until you've tried them.
Posted by: ...
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Depressive episodes means blackpilling forever. Dreher never was a policy wonk at NR and not really a political wonk either. He most resembles David Brooks with his crunchy con schtick versus Brooks' bobos. My guess is Dreher is disappointed that Brooks won the prize for surrendering his values most completely at the NYT and Dreher was left in obscurity.
A lot of mercenaries and false flag liberals viewed their 'product' as a way to jump ahead to major media positions by trashing those rubes that read them in conservative publications.
Posted by: ...
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Depressive episodes means blackpilling forever. Dreher never was a policy wonk at NR and not really a political wonk either. He most resembles David Brooks with his crunchy con schtick versus Brooks' bobos. My guess is Dreher is disappointed that Brooks won the prize for surrendering his values most completely at the NYT and Dreher was left in obscurity.
A lot of mercenaries and false flag liberals viewed their 'product' as a way to jump ahead to major media positions by trashing those rubes that read them in conservative publications.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:54 PM (ctrM5)
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The same contracting of money supply happened naturally during the gold standard era except they were called panics.
But, the switch from industrial to agricultural America led to much greater effects socially as a lot of people could no longer feed themselves during downturns. Even worse today in that respect.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:09 PM (ctrM5)
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Which I try and remind people whenever the pine for the gold standard. Money supply must be relatable to the overall economic productivity of a country. Its why the Euro has essentially been a failure. And why the gold standard caused multiple currency related mini-depressions.
But, the switch from industrial to agricultural America led to much greater effects socially as a lot of people could no longer feed themselves during downturns. Even worse today in that respect.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:09 PM (ctrM5)
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Which I try and remind people whenever the pine for the gold standard. Money supply must be relatable to the overall economic productivity of a country. Its why the Euro has essentially been a failure. And why the gold standard caused multiple currency related mini-depressions.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 29, 2025 02:54 PM (GZYu7)
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That Reuters site is garbage.
Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller
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Reuters is the one making up fake news about Israeli bombing among other things. Unreliable for any news really.
Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller
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Reuters is the one making up fake news about Israeli bombing among other things. Unreliable for any news really.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:55 PM (ctrM5)
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Nood Pancho Vanilla.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 29, 2025 02:55 PM (KP+Ym)
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Isn't Rod one of those crunchy cons/NT'rs? This probably was his default take regardless the outcome. Meh.
He was the original Crunchy Con. He wanted the cachet of the urban liberal lifestyle -- environmental feelgoodism, avocado toast, looking down your nose at the fly-overs, etc. -- while keeping the intellectual credibility of conservatism. In the end, lifestyle mattered more.
He was the original Crunchy Con. He wanted the cachet of the urban liberal lifestyle -- environmental feelgoodism, avocado toast, looking down your nose at the fly-overs, etc. -- while keeping the intellectual credibility of conservatism. In the end, lifestyle mattered more.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 29, 2025 02:55 PM (/y8xj)
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Can't stand FDR. He was awful. Those who STILL laud the guy are aspiring tyrants. Thats part of why we are here now. Our elites want to recreate FDR America. Where they mobilize us whether we like it or not.
Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson at April 29, 2025 02:43 PM (McYvC)
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Posted by: ShainS at April 29, 2025 02:56 PM (V2tfd)
Posted by: DaveA at April 29, 2025 02:56 PM (FhXTo)
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175 172 Both sides have to exempt some things.
I think Trump and Xi both were a little to quick to pull out their dicks.
Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2025 02:21 PM (IuIym)
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The point was never to have 150% tariffs forever.
Anyone who thinks that is silly.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 02:22 PM (GBKbO)
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Xi was the silly one - he knew what Trump would do with each tariff move China made - and China has always stood to lose in the tariff game. Simple math.
I think Trump and Xi both were a little to quick to pull out their dicks.
Posted by: Harun at April 29, 2025 02:21 PM (IuIym)
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The point was never to have 150% tariffs forever.
Anyone who thinks that is silly.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 02:22 PM (GBKbO)
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Xi was the silly one - he knew what Trump would do with each tariff move China made - and China has always stood to lose in the tariff game. Simple math.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 29, 2025 02:56 PM (GZYu7)
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Which I try and remind people whenever the pine for the gold standard. Money supply must be relatable to the overall economic productivity of a country. Its why the Euro has essentially been a failure. And why the gold standard caused multiple currency related mini-depressions.
Posted by: Black JEM
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Pretty much. Energy is about the only thing that cannot be 'debased' that might be a way to create a monetary standard that grows with the economy. Indirectly, that is what crypto is doing--using energy to 'mine' using computer hardware.
Posted by: Black JEM
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Pretty much. Energy is about the only thing that cannot be 'debased' that might be a way to create a monetary standard that grows with the economy. Indirectly, that is what crypto is doing--using energy to 'mine' using computer hardware.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:57 PM (ctrM5)
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But the primary driver of offshoring is the relative strength of the dollar. That makes it easy for us to import and difficult for us to export. If the dollar weren’t global reserve currency, we wouldn’t be running massive trade deficits with the whole world for decade after decade.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 02:25 PM (l3YAf)
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But our inflation would be off the charts - and our government spending would be creating an even larger problem. Amazing what global reserve currency status can do for hiding inflationary pressures.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 02:25 PM (l3YAf)
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But our inflation would be off the charts - and our government spending would be creating an even larger problem. Amazing what global reserve currency status can do for hiding inflationary pressures.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 29, 2025 03:01 PM (GZYu7)
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Absolutely real. Back when I was doing a bit of gunsmithing on the side for a hobby, Chinesium steel was a problem along with their aluminum products for ARs. Apparently this was even true when the major export from China was china and ceramics. The merchant would produce excellent goods initally to get word of mouth going as to quality and price and then the merchant/mfg would consistently reduce quality and costs to a minimum while keeping the price as it was.
Then the whole cycle would begin again.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:36 PM (ctrM5)
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Had some discontinued china pieces where it was made both in Japan and China. The Japan pieces are more desirable by far in the secondary market. Part of the reason big western companies started limiting their CHinese sourcing was because they got poor quality - consistently. Worked for a company that got whipsawed by big EOM's sourcing departments. They would fail of course, and want to come back at some silly price. We quoted a nice big fat price and told them their other products we made for them would be on delayed shipment until the price was agreed to. Assholes. It happened all the time.
Then the whole cycle would begin again.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 02:36 PM (ctrM5)
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Had some discontinued china pieces where it was made both in Japan and China. The Japan pieces are more desirable by far in the secondary market. Part of the reason big western companies started limiting their CHinese sourcing was because they got poor quality - consistently. Worked for a company that got whipsawed by big EOM's sourcing departments. They would fail of course, and want to come back at some silly price. We quoted a nice big fat price and told them their other products we made for them would be on delayed shipment until the price was agreed to. Assholes. It happened all the time.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 29, 2025 03:10 PM (GZYu7)
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Nope. American Manufacturing is already more automated than we can support. We're at least a generation away from raising the amount of technical expertise needed. And so is the rest of the world. I see it daily. Thats my trade.
The trend, right now, is going back to more manual systems. Because thats what we can support.
Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson at April 29, 2025 02:30 PM (McYvC)
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Depends what industry you are in.
The trend, right now, is going back to more manual systems. Because thats what we can support.
Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson at April 29, 2025 02:30 PM (McYvC)
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Depends what industry you are in.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 29, 2025 03:10 PM (GZYu7)
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Ethane is also used as a refrigerant, it's R-126
Posted by: scottst at April 29, 2025 03:33 PM (u00su)
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22 All taxes penalize whatever they are levied on.
Income taxes penalize working.
Capital gains taxes penalize investing
Real estate taxes penalize owning a home
But tariffs penalize buying foreign products.
Now, when you look at it that way isn't it obvious why if you are going to have taxes, tariffs are the best from of taxes to have?
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I’m hoping, but it’s state taxes, that over 65 should not be responsible for house taxes, includes the school, they are just out of control
Income taxes penalize working.
Capital gains taxes penalize investing
Real estate taxes penalize owning a home
But tariffs penalize buying foreign products.
Now, when you look at it that way isn't it obvious why if you are going to have taxes, tariffs are the best from of taxes to have?
——
I’m hoping, but it’s state taxes, that over 65 should not be responsible for house taxes, includes the school, they are just out of control
Posted by: Gonzotx at April 29, 2025 03:34 PM (nGraA)
Posted by: Weasel at April 29, 2025 03:47 PM (Axc90)
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The Dragon all ready has way too much
Posted by: Spurwing Plover at April 29, 2025 05:40 PM (FLiOE)
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