Remember the Helicopter Crash that was supposed to be Trump's fault for firings that didn't happen at the FAA? Turns out it was the pilot's fault for not doing what she was supposed to do. Whoops.

Whoopsie!

The @nytimes story on the January DC plane crash hides its takeaway until the last sentences: the lady helicopter pilot ignored multiple warnings from her right seat about altitude (and his directly telling her to turn away) and flew straight into a passenger jet.

The end. Ugh. pic.twitter.com/7emtYkZTwQ
— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) April 27, 2025

I scanned the article, and it seems to describe the chaos of running an airport, especially one in the middle of DC. Seems like a high-stress job with a lot of moving parts, but one part refused to move. She just didn't move to the left when her warrant officer told her that's what ATC wanted.

But it's Trump's fault because DOGE sent out letters to federal employees about their weeks.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at 01:44 PM

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1 First!

Posted by: Flyguy at April 28, 2025 01:45 PM (HA1lM)

2 Not 1st.

Posted by: Bulg at April 28, 2025 01:46 PM (77rzZ)

3 yikes

Posted by: brak at April 28, 2025 01:46 PM (jGJov)

4 So sad.

Posted by: toby928 at April 28, 2025 01:46 PM (jc0TO)

5 st

Posted by: RUReadingthis at April 28, 2025 01:46 PM (aQ25I)

6 Wait, ATC... hmmm. I'd listen to her.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 28, 2025 01:47 PM (mlg/3)

7 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Doug Marcaida at April 28, 2025 01:47 PM (Zz0t1)

8 She was suicidal, hated Trump and, wanted him to look bad is my take.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 28, 2025 01:47 PM (/U5Yz)

9 This makes me angry.
The one time she doesn't take directions.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 28, 2025 01:48 PM (ufFY8)

10 What I don’t understand is why the instructor pilot didn’t take command when she didn’t turn left and reduce altitude.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 28, 2025 01:48 PM (u73oe)

11 Wait, ATC... hmmm. I'd listen to her.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 28, 2025 01:47 PM

or wear greaves.

Posted by: toby928 at April 28, 2025 01:48 PM (jc0TO)

12 I suspect it was her version of suicide by cop. I don't think she wad so dumb she thought the ATC didn't know what they were talking about.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2025 01:48 PM (2VST1)

13 If she was screwing the pooch that badly, then WO Eaves should have taken command since he was evaluating her.

But he did not.

So it was a total crew failure. And an indictment upon the command structure. And innocent people paid the price.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 01:48 PM (6/+5Z)

14 Dang. She had 15 seconds to turn left.

A man told her for 15 seconds to turn left.

But she ain't need no man.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Satisfy your male boss, ignore your husband's desires at April 28, 2025 01:48 PM (6A9ML)

15 Shit.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 28, 2025 01:48 PM (Zz0t1)

16 I'd be interested to find out how the Warrant Officer got assigned to do the check flight. I'm getting a bit of, "The pilot in question was such a pain in the rear to deal with, everyone who could get out of the assignment, did."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 28, 2025 01:49 PM (tT6L1)

17 QUESTION:

Was it on purpose?

Posted by: anon2020 at April 28, 2025 01:49 PM (RqMDa)

18 She was suicidal, hated Trump and, wanted him to look bad is my take.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 28, 2025 01:47 PM (/U5Yz)

Yeah.....and took 100 others with her.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 28, 2025 01:49 PM (Zz0t1)

19 This is why our car insurance rates are so much lower.

Posted by: Saudi Arabia at April 28, 2025 01:49 PM (dD24U)

20 DIE killed a few dozen passengers

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2025 01:49 PM (ypFCm)

21 "You can't talk to me like that. I'm a Cap...".

Posted by: Someone's last words. at April 28, 2025 01:49 PM (xcIvR)

22 It was a Trolley Problem.

Don't turn, or watch Prometheus.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 28, 2025 01:50 PM (ufFY8)

23 Telling a woman how to drive NEVER seems to work.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 28, 2025 01:50 PM (wtvvX)

24 This makes me angry.
The ~~one~~ last time she doesn't take directions.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt

Posted by: wth at April 28, 2025 01:50 PM (v0R5T)

25 In the Netflix version the pilot will be a white man and the instructor will be a strong independent gay black woman.

Posted by: ... at April 28, 2025 01:50 PM (yrbn7)

26 You want to take the wheel from a woman in these times?

The ultimate mansplain.

Posted by: Francis at April 28, 2025 01:51 PM (bbuBP)

27 Huh? ATC said go left, and she was just like "nah, FTS. I'm going straight?"

Why? What could this lady have been thinking? That they were lying to her about the plane in her way?

Posted by: Stacy Abrams at April 28, 2025 01:51 PM (BI5O2)

28 the instructor will be a strong independent gay black woman.

with a Hispanic surname.

Posted by: toby928 at April 28, 2025 01:51 PM (jc0TO)

29 Don’t you mansplain my left and right. I’m a strong queer wymyn I’ll decide for myself where to be.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 28, 2025 01:51 PM (XXK+d)

30 Biden Family Friend and Aide Rebecca Lobach?

DEI & Favoritism Kills ...

Posted by: ShainS at April 28, 2025 01:51 PM (o5GiN)

31 But when the Captain was a hostess at the White House, Biden said that she was "sharp as a tack", and he could hardly keep up with her, especially behind closed doors!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at April 28, 2025 01:51 PM (GRmkL)

32 At what point, if you're "the second seat" are you allowed to wrest the controls away from the nutjob incompetent suicidal clownbitch who's about to kill you and everyone else on the other aircraft?

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 01:52 PM (iW7Ee)

33 She was suicidal, hated Trump and, wanted him to look bad is my take.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 28, 2025 01:47 PM (/U5Yz)

I suspect that she was very focused on what she thought she was doing and, likely, didn't hear him. How many flights had she had since returning from her extended engagement at the WH?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2025 01:52 PM (ExV1e)

34 Because willowed:

A couple minor points....

1. She wasn't underaged. Her allegation was that she was being trafficked and he was aware. He wanted to fight the allegation but paid her at the direction of his mother.
2. Charles is on the throne, not William.
3. Andrew is currently 8th, just after Harry kid #2, in the line of succession.

He's a spoiled dipshit but I doubt he's worse than that.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2025 01:46 PM (ExV1e)

Corrections accepted! But it stands that there is simply no motive for the Royal Family to try to silence Virginia. What was done is on the record, and it is really very peripheral to the Crown as an entity.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2025 01:52 PM (8zz6B)

35 So it was a total crew failure. And an indictment upon the command structure. And innocent people paid the price.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 01:48 PM (6/+5Z)

And what would have happened if she started punching and kicking?

Posted by: night lifted at April 28, 2025 01:52 PM (FZn/N)

36 25 In the Netflix version the pilot will be a white man and the instructor will be a strong independent gay black woman.

Posted by: ... at April 28, 2025 01:50 PM (yrbn7)

I can see it now:

Whoopsie! Starring Whoopi!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 28, 2025 01:52 PM (wtvvX)

37 Was she overwhelmed with information?
Or was she having a girlboss moment where she knew what she was doing and didn't need her job to be mansplained to her?

Posted by: bonhomme at April 28, 2025 01:52 PM (lIio7)

38 21 "You can't talk to me like that. I'm a Cap...".
Posted by: Someone's last words. at April 28, 2025 01:49 PM (xcIvR)
____________________

I'd like to see a comparison between her jacket and the jacket of a male on the same military "career" path. I'm going to guess that her path up the rank was greased, unfairly.

Posted by: Orson at April 28, 2025 01:52 PM (dIske)

39 @27
The article claims there was a radio problem and they might not have heard the ATC.

Posted by: anon2020 at April 28, 2025 01:52 PM (RqMDa)

40 I am surprised that this was actually reported on. Trump hinted the very next day that DIE was involved and the media jumped all over him with the "without evidence" meme. He turned out to be right again. Guarantee if it had happened under biden's watch we would never know a thing about the crash.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 28, 2025 01:52 PM (e5NfL)

41 NYT's investigation. lol

Posted by: 13times at April 28, 2025 01:53 PM (izmLf)

42 If she was screwing the pooch that badly, then WO Eaves should have taken command since he was evaluating her.

But he did not.

So it was a total crew failure. And an indictment upon the command structure. And innocent people paid the price.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 01:48 PM (6/+5Z)

Take control away from a woman? In today's military? That's a court martial offense.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 28, 2025 01:53 PM (g8Ew8)

43 At what point, if you're "the second seat" are you allowed to wrest the controls away from the nutjob incompetent suicidal clownbitch who's about to kill you and everyone else on the other aircraft?
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 01:52 PM (iW7Ee)

Your words offend us!

Posted by: Clownbitch Local 31, Paramus, NJ at April 28, 2025 01:53 PM (ufFY8)

44 She just didn't move to the left when her warrant officer told her that's what ATC wanted.

Don't you mansplain to me I know what I'm doing!

Posted by: The last message before the crash at April 28, 2025 01:53 PM (t0Rmr)

45 Suicidal? Angry? Check her domestic situation before the crash. Did she just have a big fight with her fire chief wife or something?

Posted by: haffhowershower at April 28, 2025 01:53 PM (5SvjB)

46 32 At what point, if you're "the second seat" are you allowed to wrest the controls away from the nutjob incompetent suicidal clownbitch who's about to kill you and everyone else on the other aircraft?
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 01:52 PM (iW7Ee)

Do we know that he did not make the effort?

Posted by: night lifted at April 28, 2025 01:53 PM (FZn/N)

47 Was she overwhelmed with information?
Or was she having a girlboss moment where she knew what she was doing and didn't need her job to be mansplained to her?
Posted by: bonhomme

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Imagine being the crew in that moment and knowing you had 10 or so seconds to try to come up with the right words to make her think it was her idea to do the right thing.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Satisfy your male boss, ignore your husband's desires at April 28, 2025 01:53 PM (6A9ML)

48 19 This is why our car insurance rates are so much lower.
Posted by: Saudi Arabia at April 28, 2025 01:49 PM (dD24U)

Aaahcktchually Saudi allows wymynses drivers now. It changed about 5 years ago.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 28, 2025 01:54 PM (XXK+d)

49 Yeah.....and took 100 others with her.
Posted by: Sponge

Actually, it was only 66. 64 on the plane and the two guys with her in the copter.

Posted by: Bulg at April 28, 2025 01:54 PM (77rzZ)

50 But it stands that there is simply no motive for the Royal Family to try to silence Virginia.

Yeah I don't see them either able or interested in suiciding someone. The Epstein people though, yeah. That crash didn't kill her so they sent in someone to finish the job.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2025 01:54 PM (2VST1)

51 But when the Captain was a hostess at the White House, Biden said that she was "sharp as a tack", and he could hardly keep up with her, especially behind closed doors!
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at April 28, 2025 01:51 PM (GRmkL)

Oh, that saucy minx always used J&J Baby Shampoo. I could sniff her for hours. -- Joe Biden

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2025 01:54 PM (ExV1e)

52 Has there been an actual NTSB report released? Or is this a case of the nyt having anonymous sources?

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at April 28, 2025 01:54 PM (2NHgQ)

53 I'd like to see a comparison between her jacket and the jacket of a male on the same military "career" path. I'm going to guess that her path up the rank was greased, unfairly.
Posted by: Orson at April 28, 2025 01:52 PM (dIske)

I'd bet on it.

Posted by: Reforger at April 28, 2025 01:54 PM (xcIvR)

54 The article claims there was a radio problem and they might not have heard the ATC.
Posted by: anon2020

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"Captain, please open your eyes and continue flying the aircraft, captain."

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Satisfy your male boss, ignore your husband's desires at April 28, 2025 01:54 PM (6A9ML)

55 Move left....really...you're not the boss of me!!!

Posted by: Stop mansplaining I'm the pilot at April 28, 2025 01:54 PM (ub4zU)

56 In the Netflix version the pilot will be a white man and the instructor will be a strong independent gay black woman.
Posted by: ... at April 28, 2025
_____

Stacey Abrams has acting credits.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 28, 2025 01:55 PM (UBKzV)

57 NYT's investigation. lol
Posted by: 13times at April 28, 2025 01:53 PM

Hey, we read the press release and took a couple of people out for lunch on company plastic. We were as thorough as we ever are.

Posted by: NYT at April 28, 2025 01:55 PM (jc0TO)

58 A small, maneuverable ship runs into a large, difficult to maneuver ship in the air or on the water, it's always the small ship's fault. See: John Kennedy and PT 109.

Posted by: huerfano at April 28, 2025 01:55 PM (n2swS)

59 With WO Eaves telling her to turn towards the riverbank, this demolishes the theory the helicopter crew was watching the wrong airliner when the collision happened.

As the NTSB briefing showed at that point over the river and if the UH-60 was below the altitude cap, there would have been only 75ft of clearance as the CRJ 700 was descending.

Moving towards the riverbank would have placed the helicopter BEHIND the passenger jet. As ATC was telling Patriot 25.

But the helicopter did not change course and AFAIK the evidence still points to the Blackhawk at being over the altitude cap.

So *boom*

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 01:55 PM (6/+5Z)

60 For some reason, the slap fight scene between Millbarge and Fitz-hume in Spies Like Us comes to mind.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at April 28, 2025 01:55 PM (/HDaX)

61
Usually much easier to get a woman to go left.

Posted by: ... at April 28, 2025 01:55 PM (yrbn7)

62 First impressions seem to win out in most cases.

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, il pilota era il problema at April 28, 2025 01:55 PM (sPQoU)

63 >>45 Suicidal? Angry? Check her domestic situation before the crash. Did she just have a big fight with her fire chief wife or something?
Posted by: haffhowershower

Forgot to remove the remote control dildo and something set it off?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 28, 2025 01:55 PM (/U5Yz)

64 DEI = DIE.
Consequences!

Posted by: redridinghood at April 28, 2025 01:55 PM (NpAcC)

65 Heads up pilot >>> heads up display

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 28, 2025 01:55 PM (wtvvX)

66 Robert Stacy McCain has a good post up about this, too.

Posted by: Bulg at April 28, 2025 01:56 PM (77rzZ)

67 Move left? Oh no you di’nt just give me an order.
Fuck you Im not moving anywhere.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 28, 2025 01:56 PM (XXK+d)

68 We need female helicopter pilots like fish need a bicycles.

Said some wag somewhere.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at April 28, 2025 01:56 PM (49ANY)

69 I hope this wasn't a case of a higher ranking female officer being pissed off at being mansplained to by her lower ranking "instructor" and just kept on flying straight to show him who's right & who's boss.

Because it's either that or she was trying to kill him, herself, and all the people on the plane.

You'd have thought she'd have turned left at some point just out of self-preservation.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at April 28, 2025 01:56 PM (6ydKt)

70 Heads up pilot >>> heads up display

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I have personally seen a woman cover her eyes when she was about to run into a pole in a parking lot.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Satisfy your male boss, ignore your husband's desires at April 28, 2025 01:56 PM (6A9ML)

71 Stacey Abrams has acting credits.

She had lines as president of the erf didn't she? She's in the guild.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2025 01:56 PM (2VST1)

72 I would dispute the use of the term "lady" to describe the female thingperson who cause this wreck.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2025 01:56 PM (8zz6B)

73 46 32 At what point, if you're "the second seat" are you allowed to wrest the controls away from the nutjob incompetent suicidal clownbitch who's about to kill you and everyone else on the other aircraft?
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 01:52 PM (iW7Ee)

Do we know that he did not make the effort?

Posted by: night lifted at April 28, 2025 01:53 PM (FZn/N)

Yes, b/c there's no big "wiggle" or deviation like controls are being fought over...

Posted by: Nova Local at April 28, 2025 01:56 PM (tOcjL)

74 Aaahcktchually Saudi allows wymynses drivers now. It changed about 5 years ago.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 28, 2025 01:54 PM (XXK+d)

What happened to insurance rates?

Posted by: Reforger at April 28, 2025 01:56 PM (xcIvR)

75 Corrections accepted! But it stands that there is simply no motive for the Royal Family to try to silence Virginia. What was done is on the record, and it is really very peripheral to the Crown as an entity.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2025 01:52 PM (8zz6B)

I concur. I don't buy into the idea that they had Diana killed either. Frankly, if they haven't had Meghan killed - an act which might have the UK public insist on the dissolution of Parliament and a return to direct rule, I don't think they're much of a danger to anyone.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2025 01:56 PM (ExV1e)

76 ...like fish need bicycles.

Sheesh.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at April 28, 2025 01:56 PM (49ANY)

77 ATC warned Patriot 25 twice of traffic approaching the airport.

So Patriot 25 would have had to NOT hear both transmissions.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 01:56 PM (6/+5Z)

78 The fish finally got her bicycle.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at April 28, 2025 01:56 PM (GRmkL)

79 Actually, it was only 66. 64 on the plane and the two guys with her in the copter.

Counts on fingers and adds "her" to the equation -> 67.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at April 28, 2025 01:57 PM (/HDaX)

80 NYT did the best they could took coverup the main takeaways from the story
What i really want to see is the pilots "scrubbed" social media. Could tell us a lot more

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 28, 2025 01:57 PM (Er3Q7)

81 And just for the record, this is equality.

Going easy on her or not making fun of her or laughing at stereotypes would not be.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Satisfy your male boss, ignore your husband's desires at April 28, 2025 01:57 PM (6A9ML)

82 I got on a youtube kick watching RC planes crash. Way less emotional.

Posted by: Francis at April 28, 2025 01:57 PM (bbuBP)

83 I have personally seen a woman cover her eyes when she was about to run into a pole in a parking lot.

now they just buy Tahoes and Suburbans and plow right over them

"oopsie!"

Posted by: brak at April 28, 2025 01:57 PM (jGJov)

84 Wait, which movie are we talking about?

I don't get it.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 28, 2025 01:58 PM (Vqx30)

85 I think this boils down to wymmynz and parallel parking.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2025 01:58 PM (pZ64F)

86 I have personally seen a woman cover her eyes when she was about to run into a pole in a parking lot.

now they just buy Tahoes and Suburbans and plow right over them

"oopsie!"
Posted by: brak

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The craziest part was there was plenty of time to steer away or put the brakes on.

Reminds me of something I read upthread.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Satisfy your male boss, ignore your husband's desires at April 28, 2025 01:58 PM (6A9ML)

87 From the NYT article: "He told her he believed that air traffic control wanted them to turn left"

Since the CVR transcript hasn't been released, is the real quote from the W.O. "I think they want us to turn left" or "TURN LEFT!"? Because if we are at the point where warrant officers have to make suggestions instead of issuing commands, we are in a very deep pit.

Posted by: Chuck C at April 28, 2025 01:59 PM (D0HYP)

88 Corrections accepted! But it stands that there is simply no motive for the Royal Family to try to silence Virginia. What was done is on the record, and it is really very peripheral to the Crown as an entity.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2025 01:52 PM (8zz6B)

The "royal" family is a crime family, just like the Corleone family. So when Michael decide it was a good time for his brother to go fishing, it was long after the damage was done.

You don't leave loose ends.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 01:59 PM (iW7Ee)

89 The warrant officer was the training officer on that flight....yes?

My understanding is that #1 She had too much altitude and he told her to bring it down. #2 ATC told her to turn left towards the bank and she ignored it, and 15 seconds before impact the warrant officer repeated what ATC said. She ignored it and called a "visual separation" status meaning she was calling the shots. I think that's the term.

Posted by: Orson at April 28, 2025 01:59 PM (dIske)

90 Obviously, mansplaining is the culprit here.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2025 01:59 PM (pZ64F)

91 Wifey always wanted a Hummer H2. I can see why.

Posted by: ... at April 28, 2025 02:00 PM (yrbn7)

92 My sister got into two accidents her first year of driving. But somehow I was the more risky driver driver in the house, cuz male, according to insurance.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 28, 2025 02:00 PM (XXK+d)

93 One thing I do know: the editors at Wikipedia are going to be eating their spleens adding this additional data to the section on Trump and DEI.

[snicker]

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at April 28, 2025 02:00 PM (/HDaX)

94 CRM stresses it is the duty of the co-pilot, if he thinks there is a danger, to do things like abort hazardous landings. At least in the airline industry.

WO Eaves was evaluating her so pretty sure as the instructor he had authority to do such. But it seems he failed to exercise his duty.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 02:00 PM (6/+5Z)

95 Well shit. I thought it was climate change that caused the crash.

Who knew?

Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at April 28, 2025 02:01 PM (THjGb)

96 And why was it necessary to scrub her, and her siblings, social media?

Posted by: night lifted at April 28, 2025 02:01 PM (FZn/N)

97 Do we know that he did not make the effort?

Posted by: night lifted at April 28, 2025 01:53 PM (FZn/N)

Yes, b/c there's no big "wiggle" or deviation like controls are being fought over...
Posted by: Nova Local at April 28, 2025 01:56 PM (tOcjL)

Yeah, I don't know that he didn't, but I'm assuming the data would show one way or another.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:01 PM (iW7Ee)

98 96 And why was it necessary to scrub her, and her siblings, social media?
Posted by: night lifted at April 28, 2025 02:01 PM (FZn/N)

=======

For the greater good.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 28, 2025 02:01 PM (GBKbO)

99 climate change killed the radio star.

Posted by: toby928 at April 28, 2025 02:01 PM (jc0TO)

100 Since the CVR transcript hasn't been released, is the real quote from the W.O. "I think they want us to turn left" or "TURN LEFT!"? Because if we are at the point where warrant officers have to make suggestions instead of issuing commands, we are in a very deep pit.
Posted by: Chuck C

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It will be interesting if it turns out that way, and it's a structural and semi-official one way street in communication between the sexes.

"Ma'am, I think, if it's okay with you, that they want us to consider thinking about maybe turning left when you feel like it. Ma'am, why are you covering your eyes? Ma'am? Ma'am?"

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Satisfy your male boss, ignore your husband's desires at April 28, 2025 02:01 PM (6A9ML)

101 climate change killed the radio star.
Posted by: toby928 at April 28, 2025 02:01 PM (jc0TO)

I wish it would kill MTV.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 28, 2025 02:02 PM (Zz0t1)

102 I assumed it was Net Neutrality that caused the crash.

Posted by: ballistic at April 28, 2025 02:02 PM (iyRXG)

103 ...What i really want to see is the pilots "scrubbed" social media. Could tell us a lot more

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 28, 2025 01:57 PM (Er3Q7)

Yup. I thought stuff was never really deleted. Or does social media work differently?

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at April 28, 2025 02:02 PM (49ANY)

104 >>> 72 I would dispute the use of the term "lady" to describe the female thingperson who cause this wreck.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2025 01:56 PM (8zz6B)

LOL

...and stolen, of course.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 28, 2025 02:02 PM (Vqx30)

105 Things are getting worse for Tish James. You'd think with the amount of crime she committed she might not want to draw so much attention to herself.

https://tinyurl.com/5a67pv4n

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2025 02:02 PM (viF8m)

106 The only way this gets better is if somewhere in the voice recordings is the phrase "what airport?".

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 28, 2025 02:02 PM (fZmG/)

107 "WO Eaves was evaluating her so pretty sure as the instructor he had authority to do such. But it seems he failed to exercise his duty."

Harsh but fair I think. The buck needs to stop somewhere. The fault is not with some desk jockey.

Posted by: Francis at April 28, 2025 02:02 PM (bbuBP)

108 Yeah, I don't know that he didn't, but I'm assuming the data would show one way or another.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:01 PM (iW7Ee)

He had less than 15 seconds. And they did not release anything after he told her ATC said to turn left.

Posted by: night lifted at April 28, 2025 02:02 PM (FZn/N)

109 MTV is already dead.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 02:03 PM (6/+5Z)

110 The warrant officer was the training officer on that flight....yes?

My understanding is that #1 She had too much altitude and he told her to bring it down. #2 ATC told her to turn left towards the bank and she ignored it, and 15 seconds before impact the warrant officer repeated what ATC said. She ignored it and called a "visual separation" status meaning she was calling the shots. I think that's the term.
Posted by: Orson at April 28, 2025 01:59 PM (dIske)

Whatever they are claiming at this point, the video looks like she veered into the airplane.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:03 PM (iW7Ee)

111 I still don't get why cross-traffic in front of an active runway is sensible or necessary.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 28, 2025 02:03 PM (UGyV5)

112 I watched three movies yesterday. Each one related to the comment discussions of today . Weird.

Pushing Tin was one of them.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2025 02:03 PM (VofaG)

113 The "royal" family is a crime family, just like the Corleone family.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 01:59 PM (iW7Ee)

Of what crime are they guilty? Cutting ribbons without a license?

They're, effectively, trained monkeys who prance around on occasion to keep the patriotic commoners happy and to convince people to travel to the UK and see the old buildings.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2025 02:03 PM (ExV1e)

114 Well shit. I thought it was climate change that caused the crash.

Who knew?
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix
__________

Warm air is less dense. Caused the chopper to float higher.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 28, 2025 02:03 PM (UBKzV)

115 For the greater good.

The greater good...

Posted by: Neighbourhood Watch Alliance at April 28, 2025 02:04 PM (/HDaX)

116 " I still don't get why cross-traffic in front of an active runway is sensible or necessary."

Norms have been restored.

Posted by: Francis at April 28, 2025 02:04 PM (bbuBP)

117 Whatever they are claiming at this point, the video looks like she veered into the airplane.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:03 PM (iW7Ee

Yes it does.

Posted by: night lifted at April 28, 2025 02:04 PM (FZn/N)

118 All of "Tish's" loudmouth huffings and puffings including those from her lawyer - not once did they use the words "innocent" or "not guilty". Not ONCE.

Posted by: ... at April 28, 2025 02:04 PM (yrbn7)

119 Yeah, I don't know that he didn't, but I'm assuming the data would show one way or another.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:01 PM (iW7Ee)

He had less than 15 seconds. And they did not release anything after he told her ATC said to turn left.
Posted by: night lifted at April 28, 2025 02:02 PM (FZn/N)

Fifteen seconds is a long time.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:04 PM (iW7Ee)

120 My sister got into two accidents her first year of driving. But somehow I was the more risky driver driver in the house, cuz male, according to insurance.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 28, 2025 02:00 PM (XXK+d)

My son has never been in an accident. My daughter got into three (all very minor) her first year driving.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2025 02:05 PM (ExV1e)

121 "Diversity" in the military is a bad idea, especially if standards are reduced.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 28, 2025 02:05 PM (xcxpd)

122 Things are getting worse for Tish James. You'd think with the amount of crime she committed she might not want to draw so much attention to herself.

https://tinyurl.com/5a67pv4n

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2025 02:02 PM (viF8m)

She know she black and ain't no damn thing gonna happen to her.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 28, 2025 02:05 PM (Zz0t1)

123 Of what crime are they guilty? Cutting ribbons without a license?

Yeah they are a more expensive version of Morris Dancers, a cultural representative for tourists. Here's what they used to do back in the olden days!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 28, 2025 02:05 PM (2VST1)

124 They're, effectively, trained monkeys who prance around on occasion to keep the patriotic commoners happy and to convince people to travel to the UK and see the old buildings
===
Trained monkeys who hold real.estate title to downtown London. So they can be a bit cheeky.

Posted by: Would you like to pet my minkey? at April 28, 2025 02:05 PM (ub4zU)

125 And why was it necessary to scrub her, and her siblings, social media?

They already do this for most leftwing mass killers before the name goes public - I guess the same group in DC got tapped to wipe their social media as well

Posted by: 18-1 at April 28, 2025 02:05 PM (t0Rmr)

126 Left? Is that port or starboa---- *kaboom*

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 28, 2025 02:06 PM (fZmG/)

127 Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2025 02:03 PM (ExV1e)

On the contrary, up until recently, the Royal Family has been the only thing keeping the UK from descending into communism and tyranny.

Posted by: ... at April 28, 2025 02:06 PM (yrbn7)

128 Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Satisfy your male boss, ignore your husband's desires at April 28, 2025 02:01 PM (6A9ML)

_______________________

I'm going to assume that a WO taking over your controls automatically fails your evaluation. Pulling that on a higher rank is the proper thing to do, but you can't tell me there are lots of thoughts going through your head at the time and little time to consider them. Maybe the process needs a bit of tweaking...like don't do training runs in the middle of an Urban flight pattern.

Posted by: Orson at April 28, 2025 02:06 PM (dIske)

129 108 Yeah, I don't know that he didn't, but I'm assuming the data would show one way or another.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:01 PM (iW7Ee)

He had less than 15 seconds. And they did not release anything after he told her ATC said to turn left.

Posted by: night lifted at April 28, 2025 02:02 PM (FZn/N)

There's video of those 15 seconds...everywhere.

Posted by: Nova Local at April 28, 2025 02:06 PM (tOcjL)

130 I miss the'it was caused by x and y but mostly y' headlines.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2025 02:06 PM (VofaG)

131 >>> 75 Corrections accepted! But it stands that there is simply no motive for the Royal Family to try to silence Virginia. What was done is on the record, and it is really very peripheral to the Crown as an entity.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2025 01:52 PM (8zz6B)

I concur. I don't buy into the idea that they had Diana killed either. Frankly, if they haven't had Meghan killed - an act which might have the UK public insist on the dissolution of Parliament and a return to direct rule, I don't think they're much of a danger to anyone.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2025 01:56 PM (ExV1e)

Diana >>> Sparkle

Have you seen Outrageous Fortune? "You're too weird to hit."

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 28, 2025 02:06 PM (Vqx30)

132 with a Hispanic surname.
Posted by: toby928 at April 28, 2025 01:51 PM (jc0TO)

You mean ma’amname.

Posted by: Congressman Emanuel Cleaver at April 28, 2025 02:06 PM (gsgWV)

133 MTV is already dead.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 02:03 PM (6/+5Z)

I mean, sure, it stinks to high heaven, but it's still on the air.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 28, 2025 02:06 PM (Zz0t1)

134 Fifteen seconds is a long time.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:04 PM (iW7Ee)

That's what I keep telling my the missus.

Posted by: ... at April 28, 2025 02:06 PM (yrbn7)

135 >>She know she black and ain't no damn thing gonna happen to her.

In days of old that was probably true. But when she decided to try and bankrupt Trump and end his campaign she might have picked the wrong guy to screw around with.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2025 02:07 PM (viF8m)

136 89 The warrant officer was the training officer on that flight....yes?

My understanding is that #1 She had too much altitude and he told her to bring it down. #2 ATC told her to turn left towards the bank and she ignored it, and 15 seconds before impact the warrant officer repeated what ATC said. She ignored it and called a "visual separation" status meaning she was calling the shots. I think that's the term.

Posted by: Orson at April 28, 2025 01:59 PM (dIske)

She was a former Biden White House military lackey. So it is likely the warrant officer check pilot didn't mansplain to her, being fearful of being transferred to helicopter de-icing duty at Nome, AK or Thule, Greenland. So he died, too.

How many deaths per year could be prevented by timely and forceful mansplaining?

Posted by: Gref at April 28, 2025 02:07 PM (aBgBM)

137 Video of the last few seconds of the flight:

https://tinyurl.com/83mhz477

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:07 PM (9fYDK)

138 Things are getting worse for Tish James. You'd think with the amount of crime she committed she might not want to draw so much attention to herself.

https://tinyurl.com/5a67pv4n

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2025 02:02 PM (viF8m)

Yeah. But nothing will happen because she's female. And black.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at April 28, 2025 02:08 PM (49ANY)

139 Ana Puma, I think the real problem was the helo crew was expecting to avoid conflicting traffic at night, wearing NV goggles. Not surprisingly they were looking at the wrong traffic, that they were indeed passing behind. The other traffic got them.

The PIC was also incompetent, and the crew did not practice adequate CRM (Cockpit Resource Management) which has been shown to be the root cause of more accidents than anything else!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at April 28, 2025 02:08 PM (GRmkL)

140 13 >> So it was a total crew failure. And an indictment upon the command structure.
This x1000.
So when do the court martials for negligent manslaughter, relieve of command, demotions, cancellation of the self proclaimed elites priority helicopter limo service, training in safe areas instead crowded airspace, understanding and managing human dynamics of junior officers being in charge of their not only superior but company exec off .... Come Pete, do you know that thing seldom seen anymore called taking responsibility for your command? Hop to it boy... before civilians have to die.

Posted by: extybeebeachbum at April 28, 2025 02:08 PM (oqizQ)

141 32 At what point, if you're "the second seat" are you allowed to wrest the controls away from the nutjob incompetent suicidal clownbitch who's about to kill you and everyone else on the other aircraft?
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 01:52 PM (iW7Ee)

Do we know that he did not make the effort?
Posted by: night lifted at April 28, 2025 01:53 PM (FZn/N)

Saw a clip of the collision from pretty much dead ahead (the plane descending appears steady). The dot for the helo is flying directly at the light of the aircraft, straight and level from that angle. If there was evasion or a struggle there's no sign of it.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 28, 2025 02:08 PM (n7h9X)

142 And for those keeping score at home, the Pine Barrens fire in NJ is also Trump's fault because he shut down the National Firefighters Academy or something

Posted by: Josephistan at April 28, 2025 02:09 PM (y9ksN)

143 In days of old that was probably true. But when she decided to try and bankrupt Trump and end his campaign she might have picked the wrong guy to screw around with.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2025 02:07 PM (viF8m)

I've given up on the art of holding my breath.

But we'll see.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 28, 2025 02:09 PM (Zz0t1)

144 You know the drill: "Fatal Crash Comes Amid Trump's DOGE Cuts".

No causation needed

Posted by: LASue at April 28, 2025 02:09 PM (lCppi)

145 Fifteen seconds is a long time.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:04 PM (iW7Ee)

That's what I told my first girlfriend.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2025 02:09 PM (ExV1e)

146 I can see the NTSB report right now and it comes down to

"Pilot error by the pilot in charge of US Army UH-60 Blackhawk. Contributing factor being instructor pilot of Patriot 25 failing to adequately monitor the situation and take appropriate corrective action."

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 02:09 PM (6/+5Z)

147 If the guy tried to take control the FNM would already be claiming he caused the crash.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 28, 2025 02:09 PM (t0Rmr)

148 I hope they release the audio. That would clarify the interaction. I don't think we're getting the whole story, yet.

Posted by: night lifted at April 28, 2025 02:10 PM (FZn/N)

149 "I suspect it was her version of suicide by cop. I don't think she wad so dumb she thought the ATC didn't know what they were talking about."

Seems all too probable, with a political motive added for spice.

The lights of the jet were right in their face, from what I saw ... sure looked like she flew "toward the light" in course and altitude. (she was rising I think)

But yeah, why did the other pilot not fight her for control? ... hard to say.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 28, 2025 02:10 PM (Cus5s)

150 I still don't get why cross-traffic in front of an active runway is sensible or necessary.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls

It will probably not surprise you to know a federal agency was involved in those initial decisions.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 28, 2025 02:10 PM (vKNmo)

151 How many deaths per year could be prevented by timely and forceful mansplaining?
==
Some women are immune to it. Like water rolling off a ducks back, it never sinks in....

Posted by: Thighs a comfortable distance apart... at April 28, 2025 02:10 PM (ub4zU)

152 Maybe the instructor pilot just failed to position her for success?

Posted by: brak at April 28, 2025 02:10 PM (jGJov)

153 >>> 122 Things are getting worse for Tish James. You'd think with the amount of crime she committed she might not want to draw so much attention to herself.

https://tinyurl.com/5a67pv4n

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2025 02:02 PM (viF8m)

She know she black and ain't no damn thing gonna happen to her.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 28, 2025 02:05 PM (Zz0t1)

I'm hoping we're in that moment like when the coyote is hovering mid-air having run past the cliff edge, and he's about to look down...

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 28, 2025 02:10 PM (Vqx30)

154 Posted by: extybeebeachbum at April 28, 2025 02:08 PM (oqizQ)

your point and sarcasm was lost in all that jumble of words.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2025 02:10 PM (VofaG)

155 Note that the very first thing Democrats said after this happened was that Trump fired the FAA Director.

Of course these firefightin' "journalists" let that lie go unchallenged.

(The FAA director stepped down before Trump was sworn in).

Posted by: Jay in PA at April 28, 2025 02:10 PM (i7Q7S)

156 I think this boils down to wymmynz and parallel parking.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2025 01:58 PM (pZ64F)
******
True story: When I was 16 and had to get my drivers license. Many people (mostly the girls) in my class were failing their drivers test because they hit the cone or the curb while trying to pp.

I got in the car with the officer and asked him if I could avoid parallel parking and he just mark me off on it before we start and he did. Got high marks on everything else and passed.

I hugged him afterwards.

Never paralleled parked to this day.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 28, 2025 02:11 PM (NpAcC)

157 >>I've given up on the art of holding my breath.

>>But we'll see.....

She seems to think she's got a problem. Hiring one of the most expensive criminal lawyers in the country is kind of a telling sign.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2025 02:11 PM (viF8m)

158 I read somewhere, I don't know if it's true, that Eames is the only body they have not recovered.

Posted by: night lifted at April 28, 2025 02:11 PM (FZn/N)

159 On the contrary, up until recently, the Royal Family has been the only thing keeping the UK from descending into communism and tyranny.
Posted by: ... at April 28, 2025 02:06 PM (yrbn7)

Up until recently, the head of the Royal Family was Liz, not Tampon Charlie.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2025 02:11 PM (ExV1e)

160 What I don’t understand is why the instructor pilot didn’t take command when she didn’t turn left and reduce altitude.

That would be mansplaining. It would look bad on your permanent record.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 28, 2025 02:11 PM (EXyHK)

161 Yeah, it could be that WO Eaves was shit-scarred to take control from Captain Lobach.

He had to have some reason for the hesitation, because he had every right to take over as the evaluator.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at April 28, 2025 02:11 PM (6ydKt)

162 >>45 Suicidal? Angry? Check her domestic situation before the crash. Did she just have a big fight with her fire chief wife or something?
Posted by: haffhowershower

Forgot to remove the remote control dildo and something set it off?
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 28, 2025 01:55 PM (/U5Yz)

Well she for sure lost her cushy job with the Biden Presidency a few days before.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 28, 2025 02:12 PM (n7h9X)

163 I hope they release the audio. That would clarify the interaction. I don't think we're getting the whole story, yet.

Male announcer: The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the white zone.
Female announcer: No, the white zone is for loading of passengers and there is no stopping in a RED zone.
Male announcer: The red zone has always been for loading and unloading of passengers. There's never stopping in a white zone.
Female announcer: Don't you tell me which zone is for loading, and which zone is for stopping!

Posted by: brak at April 28, 2025 02:12 PM (jGJov)

164 This whole story reminds me of I Love Lucy episodes.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2025 02:13 PM (pZ64F)

165 "that was supposed to be Trump's fault"

===========

Remember, Republican Presidents are individually responsible for every aircraft takeoff and landing and each COVID-19 death.

However, Democratic Presidents are merely victims of bad luck when their policies bring about historic inflation and female joggers are raped and strangled by illegal immigrants.

Posted by: Jay in PA at April 28, 2025 02:13 PM (i7Q7S)

166 >>>I still don't get why cross-traffic in front of an active runway is sensible or necessary.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls

>Why would helicopter training be conducted anywhere near a runway? You don't a tarmac for helicopters.

Posted by: Rev Wishbone at April 28, 2025 02:13 PM (fY84s)

167 Letitia James says "No one is above the law, and I AM THE LAW!"

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 28, 2025 02:14 PM (xxMK8)

168 My sister got into two accidents her first year of driving. But somehow I was the more risky driver driver in the house, cuz male, according to insurance.
--

My son has never been in an accident. My daughter got into three (all very minor) her first year driving.

The difference in insurance rates predates our current insanity by at least forty years. The actuarial explanation is probably that young female drivers cause more minor accidents (property damage) and young male drivers more major accidents that involve personal injury (speeding and drinking versus not being able to parallel park without hitting the adjacent cars)

Posted by: Chuck C at April 28, 2025 02:14 PM (D0HYP)

169 However, Democratic Presidents are merely victims of bad luck when their policies bring about historic inflation and female joggers are raped and strangled by illegal immigrants.
Posted by: Jay in PA at April 28, 2025 02:13 PM (i7Q7S)

Bad luck? Sounds like heaven!!!

-Democrats

Posted by: ... at April 28, 2025 02:14 PM (yrbn7)

170 Ray

NVGs do not matter at all in this crash because of two reasons.

1. Patriot 25 was above the altitude cap for that part of the flight corridor. NTSB is still trying to figure out how that happened.

2. ATC called out traffic twice to Patriot 25 and WO Eaves told her to steer towards the riverbank.

If she was below the altitude cap, the airliner would have cleared her by 75ft. No accident.

If she had obeyed Eaves, she would have past behind the passenger jet. No accident.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 02:14 PM (6/+5Z)

171 Fifteen seconds is a long time.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:04 PM (iW7Ee)

In this circumstance, indeed it is. A regional jet isn't very big, nor is a helicopter. If the two are on a collision course, all it would take is a decisive control input a second or two before the anticipated collision to change it into a near-miss. But no evasive action was taken.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2025 02:15 PM (8zz6B)

172 130 I miss the'it was caused by x and y but mostly y' headlines.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2025 02:06 PM (VofaG)

Well this story already has that. I’ll translate just a little: Helicopter crash caused by X and Y chromosomes, but mostly X chromosomes.

Posted by: haffhowershower at April 28, 2025 02:15 PM (5SvjB)

173 154 your point and sarcasm was lost in all that jumble of words.

you are correct sir, my bad

Posted by: extybeebeachbum at April 28, 2025 02:15 PM (oqizQ)

174 She seems to think she's got a problem. Hiring one of the most expensive criminal lawyers in the country is kind of a telling sign.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2025 02:11 PM (viF8m)
---------------

And trying to get the taxpayers of NY to foot the bill. Hmm, that might be a bridge to far for even NY.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 28, 2025 02:15 PM (tT6L1)

175 I hugged him afterwards.

Never paralleled parked to this day.

Posted by: redridinghood at April 28, 2025 02:11 PM (NpAcC)

-- --

You must be cute.
Because I'm pretty sure if I had tried that with the old black lady that rode with me, she'd have laughed her ass off for a few minutes, and then told me:
"No. Come back in three months when you're ready to parallel park, funny white boy."

Posted by: SpeakingOf at April 28, 2025 02:15 PM (6ydKt)

176 This whole story reminds me of I Love Lucy episodes.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2025 02:13 PM (pZ64F)

I thought that was the Eric Garner Story.

Posted by: ... at April 28, 2025 02:15 PM (yrbn7)

177 SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Starlink 11-9
SLC-4E - Vandenberg SFB - Space Affairs Live
Launch Date: April 28, 2025 (PDT)
Launch Time: 1:39 p.m. PDT - 2039 UTC, 22:39 CEST

https://www.youtube.com/live/bgs5mq7juGY
______

ULA - Atlas V 551 - Project Kuiper (KA-01)
SLC-41 - Cape Canaveral SFS - Space Affairs Live
Launch Date: April 28, 2025 (EDT)
Launch Time: 7:00 p.m. EDT, 2300 UTC - April 29, 01:00 CEST

https://www.youtube.com/live/nQuTcF_d6Ls
______

SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Starlink 12-10
LC-39A - Kennedy Space Center - Space Affairs Live
Launch Date: April 28, 2025 (EDT)
Launch Time: 9:51 p.m. EDT - April 29, 0151 UTC, 03:51 CEST

https://www.youtube.com/live/bI_9EzgA18A

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, il pilota era il problema qui at April 28, 2025 02:15 PM (sPQoU)

178 He had less than 15 seconds. And they did not release anything after he told her ATC said to turn left.

It wasn’t just not turning left. Unless I’m missing something, he should have taken over as soon as she failed to drop back down to the required altitude.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 28, 2025 02:16 PM (EXyHK)

179 I have no idea what either of them was thinking, but I can guess. WO thinking if I bust her on this check ride she’ll bitch to the colonel and I’ll be flying puddle jumpers in nowhere Alaska inside of a week.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 28, 2025 02:16 PM (u73oe)

180 148 I hope they release the audio. That would clarify the interaction. I don't think we're getting the whole story, yet.
Posted by: night lifted

I read (and it may be included in this article) that they stepped on the communications from ATC so they didn’t hear everything being relayed to them.

Posted by: Piper at April 28, 2025 02:16 PM (pZEOD)

181 Dang. She had 15 seconds to turn left.

A man told her for 15 seconds to turn left.

But she ain't need no man.
---
Now you see why mansplaining is not just wrong and offensive but deadly.

If he hadn't been mansplaining to her "you're going to get us killed! TURN NOW!" she would have listened.

/s/ Media Analysis

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 28, 2025 02:16 PM (ToAfG)

182 Very nice Spring day here, sunny and 70s

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2025 02:16 PM (ypFCm)

183 Why would helicopter training be conducted anywhere near a runway? You don't a tarmac for helicopters

Because that is the helicopter route to move VIPs from Congress and the White House out of the area.

Posted by: Chuck C at April 28, 2025 02:17 PM (D0HYP)

184 Turns out she put on The Cure just before the crash:

https://tinyurl.com/yp3747hz

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:17 PM (0fXeq)

185 I can see the NTSB report right now and it comes down to

"Pilot error by the pilot in charge of US Army UH-60 Blackhawk. Contributing factor being instructor pilot of Patriot 25 failing to adequately monitor the situation and take appropriate corrective action."
Posted by: Anna Puma

-

The man didn't put her in a position to succeed?

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Satisfy your male boss, ignore your husband's desires at April 28, 2025 02:17 PM (6A9ML)

186 I concur. I don't buy into the idea that they had Diana killed either. Frankly, if they haven't had Meghan killed - an act which might have the UK public insist on the dissolution of Parliament and a return to direct rule, I don't think they're much of a danger to anyone.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2025 01:56 PM (ExV1e)

Diana >>> Sparkle

Have you seen Outrageous Fortune? "You're too weird to hit."
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 28, 2025 02:06 PM (Vqx30)

its probably hard to arrange to have Diana's boyfriend drive into a pillar at 120 mph with her in the car, even for the Royal Family. When I was in college the Larouchies were in the apogee of their power, and I always found their obsession with Liz as world shapingly evil amused me.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 28, 2025 02:18 PM (n7h9X)

187 Anyone who thinks a woman is going to change course out of self-preservation must have already forgotten the hearings where university presidents set themselves on fire instead of admitting that calling for Jewish genocide was a bad thing.

Posted by: Eddie Baby at April 28, 2025 02:18 PM (s19xO)

188 I'm going to assume that a WO taking over your controls automatically fails your evaluation. Pulling that on a higher rank is the proper thing to do, but you can't tell me there are lots of thoughts going through your head at the time and little time to consider them. Maybe the process needs a bit of tweaking...like don't do training runs in the middle of an Urban flight pattern.

Posted by: Orson at April 28, 2025 02:06 PM

The military does training runs in that area specifically for the crowded skies. It simulates a combat zone with aircraft flying all over the place.

And yes if the instructor has to take over the controls at any point the pilot being evaluated automatically fails that evaluation. Sucks but that is the rules. And I suspect the instructor in this situation was told that the pilot being evaluated was not allowed to fail the flight and he would assign a satisfactory mark.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 28, 2025 02:18 PM (e5NfL)

189 There is no explanation of why the female pilot ignored the instructions of ATAC and her male flight instructor to turn left.

Instead she flew straight into the oncoming aircraft.

Millennials cannot be told what to do. They think they know everythIng worth knowing.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 28, 2025 02:19 PM (RIvkX)

190 Read the story this morning, hope audi gets released but doubt it, and if the Marxists/ Deep State was in charge we wouldn't hear a peep about this.

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2025 02:19 PM (ypFCm)

191 Why would helicopter training be conducted anywhere near a runway? You don't a tarmac for helicopters

Because that is the helicopter route to move VIPs from Congress and the White House out of the area.
Posted by: Chuck C at April 28, 2025 02:17 PM (D0HYP)

I understand that but that's when you create a location training facsimile. This is the first crash but its not the first close call.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2025 02:20 PM (VofaG)

192 Millennials cannot be told what to do. They think they know everythIng worth knowing.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 28, 2025 02:19 PM (RIvkX)

Fact.

Millennials are like the Red Bull commercials with the penguins........"I'm a GENIUS!!!"

No, no you're not. You're an idiot.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 28, 2025 02:20 PM (Zz0t1)

193 Those Blackhawks aren't trainers, folks.
Only one stick, one set of pedals...one collective, and none were on the WO's side.

Posted by: MkY at April 28, 2025 02:20 PM (+Pp+Q)

194 I hope they release the audio. That would clarify the interaction. I don't think we're getting the whole story, yet.
Posted by: night lifted

I read (and it may be included in this article) that they stepped on the communications from ATC so they didn’t hear everything being relayed to them.
Posted by: Piper at April 28, 2025 02:16 PM (pZEOD)

Well the 2nd pilot saying that their are instructions from the tower twice shows that is not accurate.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 28, 2025 02:20 PM (n7h9X)

195 The airspace around DCA is horribly congested and at the same time, restricted. There are multiple entities with overlapping reason to fly in and around the airport. The sectional charts, the "aerial road maps" are a nightmare to decipher.

It takes hundreds of hours of flight time to be moderately proficient to fly there. Girlboss pilot probably got to "check the boxes" instead of actually going through the rigorous training since she was moonlighting as a White House socialite at the same time.

Or... like every other woman I've ever been with in a vehicle while they're driving will not, under any circumstances listen to a suggestion about the operation of the vehicle. Never.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 28, 2025 02:20 PM (Q4IgG)

196 DEI killed those kids on the ice skating team

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at April 28, 2025 02:20 PM (gDlxJ)

197 Just remember, we would not be questioning what happened if DEI hadn't created such a mess.

No one wants to believe the young lady responsible for the crash was put in a position which was well above her abilities.

But, because of the stupidity of the people in charge, we no longer have the luxury of assuming it was simple pilot error with attending horrific consequences.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 28, 2025 02:21 PM (tT6L1)

198 The CWO was PIC. He should have taken back control of the aircraft. Called. My bird and changed course.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 28, 2025 02:21 PM (ewjUl)

199 If he hadn't been mansplaining to her "you're going to get us killed! TURN NOW!" she would have listened.

I'm reminded of a scene from Chernobyl when the guy sent to fix it, Shcherbina wants to get a look from the air and orders his pilot to fly over the broken reactor so he can see it.

The scientist with him tells him they'll die...but Shcherbina tell the pilot to do it anyway.

The scientist then goes to the pilot and tells him the same thing even though Shcherbina threatens to have him thrown out of the copter. And...the pilot listened and turned away.

Shcherbina died a few years later, probably due to radiation poisoning/cancer

Posted by: 18-1 at April 28, 2025 02:21 PM (t0Rmr)

200 No one wants to believe the young lady responsible for the crash was put in a position which was well above her abilities.

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On the contrary, I suspect 80%+ of people have seen this type of thing daily for decades and know this is almost certainly the case.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Satisfy your male boss, ignore your husband's desires at April 28, 2025 02:21 PM (6A9ML)

201 193 Those Blackhawks aren't trainers, folks.
Only one stick, one set of pedals...one collective, and none were on the WO's side.
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Did not know that.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2025 02:22 PM (pZ64F)

202 No one wants to believe the young lady responsible for the crash was put in a position which was well above her abilities.

But, because of the stupidity of the people in charge, we no longer have the luxury of assuming it was simple pilot error with attending horrific consequences.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 28, 2025 02:21 PM (

THIS. It leaves too much room for doubt now.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 28, 2025 02:22 PM (ewjUl)

203 MkY - wrong

UH-60s like UH-1s or Bell JetRangers are all dual control.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 02:22 PM (6/+5Z)

204 The CWO was PIC. He should have taken back control of the aircraft. Called. My bird and changed course.
Posted by: Minnfidel

How? See above

Posted by: MkY at April 28, 2025 02:22 PM (+Pp+Q)

205 Why would helicopter training be conducted anywhere near a runway? You don't a tarmac for helicopters

Because that is the helicopter route to move VIPs from Congress and the White House out of the area.
Posted by: Chuck C at April 28, 2025 02:17 PM (D0HYP)

I understand that but that's when you create a location training facsimile. This is the first crash but its not the first close call.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2025 02:20 PM (VofaG)

Yeah if this is just a "proof you haven't forgotten night flying" check ride there is no excuse for doing it over the actual site and traffic.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 28, 2025 02:22 PM (n7h9X)

206 183 Why would helicopter training be conducted anywhere near a runway? You don't a tarmac for helicopters

Because that is the helicopter route to move VIPs from Congress and the White House out of the area.
Posted by: Chuck C at April 28, 2025 02:17 PM (D0HYP)

I'm open to an explanation, but that just moves back the question one level: why is the route directly in front of a civilian runway? (Maybe there is a good explanation; but that route seems like a problem to me.)

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 28, 2025 02:22 PM (UGyV5)

207 I can see the NTSB report right now and it comes down to

"Pilot error by the pilot in charge of US Army UH-60 Blackhawk. Contributing factor being instructor pilot of Patriot 25 failing to adequately monitor the situation and take appropriate corrective action."
Posted by: Anna Puma

I do wonder why he didn’t just take control. Are you hearing anything from your sources? I know the Army is big, but I feel like those who are associated with flying helicopters in whatever capacity somehow find each other. 😀 I have a few people I guess I could ask directly.

Posted by: Piper at April 28, 2025 02:22 PM (pZEOD)

208 I read somewhere, I don't know if it's true, that Eames is the only body they have not recovered.
Posted by: night lifted at April 28, 2025 02:11 PM (FZn/N)

A quick websearch pulls up multiple links indicating all bodies have been recovered.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at April 28, 2025 02:22 PM (/HDaX)

209 UH-60s like UH-1s or Bell JetRangers are all dual control.
Posted by: Anna Puma

Really? Damn

Posted by: MkY at April 28, 2025 02:22 PM (+Pp+Q)

210 203 MkY - wrong

UH-60s like UH-1s or Bell JetRangers are all dual control.
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 02:22 PM (6/+5Z)

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Pic for reference, to back up Anna:

https://is.gd/zoe4JT

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 28, 2025 02:23 PM (GBKbO)

211 200 No one wants to believe the young lady responsible for the crash was put in a position which was well above her abilities.

huh

well I knew it was the case immediately

Posted by: Black Orchid at April 28, 2025 02:23 PM (Pv3Rg)

212 Odd that a plane full of figure skaters couldn't stick the landing.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2025 02:24 PM (pZ64F)

213 Piper

That is just my reasoning from the facts already out there. There were no mechanical issues.

Pretty sure the NTSB will also reiterate the hazards of this flight corridor, but the FAA has already shut it down.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 02:24 PM (6/+5Z)

214 Why would helicopter training be conducted anywhere near a runway? You don't a tarmac for helicopters

Because that is the helicopter route to move VIPs from Congress and the White House out of the area.

I suspect the thinking goes something like, "If there is an actual need to evacuate we'll just shut down flights in/out of DC"

Posted by: 18-1 at April 28, 2025 02:24 PM (t0Rmr)

215 And for those keeping score at home, the Pine Barrens fire in NJ is also Trump's fault because he shut down the National Firefighters Academy or something
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What an asshole

Posted by: The New Jersey Devil at April 28, 2025 02:24 PM (Dnobf)

216 Odd that a plane full of figure skaters couldn't stick the landing.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2025 02:24 PM (pZ64F)

Too soon !

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 28, 2025 02:25 PM (VofaG)

217 Odd that a plane full of figure skaters couldn't stick the landing.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2025 02:24 PM (pZ64F)

Kinda hard when some bitch slides up and Giloolies you.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 28, 2025 02:25 PM (fZmG/)

218
Pic for reference, to back up Anna:

https://is.gd/zoe4JT
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 28, 2025 02:23 PM (GBKbO)

No, I'm pretty sure that's an F-350 Super Duty.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:25 PM (Pfem1)

219 And for those keeping score at home, the Pine Barrens fire in NJ is also Trump's fault because he shut down the National Firefighters Academy or something

I have a bunch of wasps in my shed.

Damn that Trump for not funding the "Remove All Wasps From Middle Class Neighborhoods Act"

Posted by: 18-1 at April 28, 2025 02:25 PM (t0Rmr)

220 The media now is trying to make a big deal that the Pali supporter who is set for deportation was "arrested" without a warrant.
Making much about how the administration has "admitted" there was no arrest warrant.

Because they are desperate to deceive America that those on visas--and those here illegally--are entitled to full due process rights.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 28, 2025 02:25 PM (ToAfG)

221
It takes hundreds of hours of flight time to be moderately proficient to fly there. Girlboss pilot probably got to "check the boxes" instead of actually going through the rigorous training since she was moonlighting as a White House socialite at the same time.
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I think we should be careful about this because what she was doing is a very normal rotation / job to take. The PIC was a male. Why didn’t he take over?

Posted by: Piper at April 28, 2025 02:25 PM (pZEOD)

222 I'm not sure seizing controls is a good idea doing 160 knots at 200/300 feet AGL. Sounds like a half second trip to an undesirable interface with the ground.

It sounds like she should have been doing more daylight flight time to get back into flying after flying a desk. Nighttime low level flight ops in a crowed airspace doesn't sound like a good idea for someone who was just getting back to flying.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at April 28, 2025 02:26 PM (geaCg)

223 218 No, I'm pretty sure that's an F-350 Super Duty.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:25 PM (Pfem1)

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Commercial pickups have gotten out of control!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 28, 2025 02:26 PM (GBKbO)

224 I'm open to an explanation, but that just moves back the question one level: why is the route directly in front of a civilian runway? (Maybe there is a good explanation; but that route seems like a problem to me.)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 28, 2025 02:22 PM (UGyV5)
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That was one of my first questions. Doing a check flight across the glide path of landing airplanes seemed unwise.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 28, 2025 02:26 PM (tT6L1)

225 Did TJM post a picture from Prometheus?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 02:26 PM (6/+5Z)

226 As a former instructor pilot in the military, I flew plenty of flights evaluating or giving flight instruction to those who outranked me.

Rank had nothing to do with who was ultimately in charge during the flight. It was the guy (me) who was designated on the flight schedule as pilot in command and the guy (me) who signed the A-sheet (release form) in maintenance control prior to the flight. This dynamic was always addressed during the pre-flight briefing with the higher-ranked pilot.

I can assure you that any second-in-command, even one higher in rank, at the controls of my aircraft who did not respond promptly to correct a deviation called out by me would no longer be at the controls of my aircraft.

That would be long before the whole DEI culture invaded the military, though.

Posted by: one hour sober at April 28, 2025 02:26 PM (Y1sOo)

227 Kinda hard when some bitch slides up and Giloolies you.
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Maybe they were knee capped by some crazy bitch?

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2025 02:26 PM (pZ64F)

228 219 Damn that Trump for not funding the "Remove All Wasps From Middle Class Neighborhoods Act"
Posted by: 18-1 at April 28, 2025

This act has so much promise, too.

Posted by: Piper at April 28, 2025 02:26 PM (pZEOD)

229 Those Blackhawks aren't trainers, folks.
Only one stick, one set of pedals...one collective, and none were on the WO's side.
Posted by: MkY at April 28, 2025 02:20 PM (+Pp+Q)

Can the WO in the second seat reach the collective? Could he have jammed it down hard, and dived the chopper enough to avert the collision?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2025 02:26 PM (8zz6B)

230 No, I'm pretty sure that's an F-350 Super Duty.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:25 PM (Pfem1)

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Commercial pickups have gotten out of control!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 28, 2025 02:26 PM (GBKbO)

That's what the co-pilot said!

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:26 PM (Pfem1)

231 I do wonder why he didn’t just take control.

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"And then he just grabbed the controls from me."

A quick way to never get promoted in the Woke military.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at April 28, 2025 02:27 PM (sX1BW)

232 You don't need to "arrest" aliens to deport them. You aren't putting them on trial and sending them to jail, you are just sending them home.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 28, 2025 02:27 PM (t0Rmr)

233 I'm open to an explanation, but that just moves back the question one level: why is the route directly in front of a civilian runway? (Maybe there is a good explanation; but that route seems like a problem to me.)

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls

Presumably because under the emergency circumstances it would be called upon for real, civilian air traffic would be a nonissue...

Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at April 28, 2025 02:27 PM (OUMaO)

234 Huh. Turns out the 2 guys who stole Kristi Noem's purse are illegal aliens.

Smart choice, bozos. Literally the worse person in the country for an illegal to steal from.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2025 02:27 PM (viF8m)

235 Bitch! I'm mansplaining for a reason! You're about to fly into a plane!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 28, 2025 02:27 PM (9/IXG)

236 "And then he just grabbed the controls from me."

A quick way to never get promoted in the Woke military.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at April 28, 2025 02:27 PM (sX1BW)

So's dying.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:28 PM (Pfem1)

237 Well let me toss out there a possible mechanical issue, faulty altimeters.

But that would be even more stupid if both UH-60 pilots failed to adjust the barometric altimeter for local conditions.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 02:28 PM (6/+5Z)

238 193 Those Blackhawks aren't trainers, folks.
Only one stick, one set of pedals...one collective, and none were on the WO's side.

They all have yokes and pedals on both sides. Look up pics of a cockpit on a 60.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 28, 2025 02:28 PM (ewjUl)

239 Pic for reference, to back up Anna:

https://is.gd/zoe4JT
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 28, 2025 02:23 PM (GBKbO)

No, I'm pretty sure that's an F-350 Super Duty.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:25 PM (Pfem1)

If the co-pilot could not take control, why is there a co-pilot? The military is not in the habit of assigning extraneous crew to shit for no reason.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2025 02:28 PM (ExV1e)

240 Huh. Turns out the 2 guys who stole Kristi Noem's purse are illegal aliens.

Smart choice, bozos. Literally the worse person in the country for an illegal to steal from.

In my blue state even rape gets a slap on the wrist for illegals. I assume its the same in DC. These guys just happened to rob one of the few people that might do something about them more serious then a suspended sentence

Posted by: 18-1 at April 28, 2025 02:29 PM (t0Rmr)

241 He had to be close enough to smack her upside her helmet

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2025 02:29 PM (ypFCm)

242 Corrections accepted! But it stands that there is simply no motive for the Royal Family to try to silence Virginia. What was done is on the record, and it is really very peripheral to the Crown as an entity.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Wouldn't waste your time,they're trying to shift the focus from Epstein and Maxwell on to British people. You might start noticing a pattern...especially when you look at the people defending Epstein.

Posted by: general giap at April 28, 2025 02:30 PM (yPGJ0)

243 >>In my blue state even rape gets a slap on the wrist for illegals. I assume its the same in DC. These guys just happened to rob one of the few people that might do something about them more serious then a suspended sentence

One had a removal order against him from 2021. I'm betting it will get used now.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2025 02:30 PM (viF8m)

244 It takes hundreds of hours of flight time to be moderately proficient to fly there. Girlboss pilot probably got to "check the boxes" instead of actually going through the rigorous training since she was moonlighting as a White House socialite at the same time.

Presumably, she had already demonstrated proficiency. I believe that she had finished her tour as a WH whatever and was returning to a flying role.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2025 02:30 PM (ExV1e)

245 Blackhawk have sticks/collectives/pedals on both sides of the cockpit.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at April 28, 2025 02:30 PM (7aURE)

246 Did TJM post a picture from Prometheus?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 02:26 PM (6/+5Z)

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It's from the set of upcoming #Woke Disney film "Top Gun: Dual Controlling Boobs."

Posted by: ShainS at April 28, 2025 02:31 PM (o5GiN)

247 They all have yokes and pedals on both sides. Look up pics of a cockpit on a 60.
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Reliability through redundancy. Two pilots give you a backup when one gets shot. The guys in the back of the bird applaud this rule.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2025 02:31 PM (pZ64F)

248 If the co-pilot could not take control, why is there a co-pilot? The military is not in the habit of assigning extraneous crew to shit for no reason.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2025 02:28 PM (ExV1e)

I just assume damn near every air machine has a second set of controls.

I've been passenger in a Cessna a number of times. The fun part is when the pilot lets me take control. It's hard to crash one of those in the middle of nowhere.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:31 PM (Pfem1)

249 Well, I'm wrong on every account of this whole thing.
I thought they were single stick... and I was ASSURED by pilots everywhere that no reasonable human would wear night vision around a brightly lit urban area.
So... I'm clueless. Horrible accident.

Posted by: MkY at April 28, 2025 02:31 PM (+Pp+Q)

250 "And then he just grabbed the controls from me."
A quick way to never get promoted in the Woke military.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at April 28, 2025 02:27 PM (sX1BW)

"He grabbed me in my womanly parts and now I want him punished, demoted and dishonorably discharged from the service!"

Posted by: Last Thoughts Of The Poor Doomed Bastard In Charge at April 28, 2025 02:31 PM (hqOoF)

251 I'm open to an explanation, but that just moves back the question one level: why is the route directly in front of a civilian runway? (Maybe there is a good explanation; but that route seems like a problem to me.)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 28, 2025 02:22 PM (UGyV5)

Because the helicopters on that course are not supposed to fly above 300 feet, and the incoming airliners are not supposed to be below 450 feet. Traffic lanes in the sky.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2025 02:31 PM (8zz6B)

252 Releasing the full audio would likely tell us exactly what happened.

Since they aren't releasing it I suspect it indicates the problem was girlboss and not mechanical, the instructor, or anything else.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 28, 2025 02:31 PM (t0Rmr)

253
I've been passenger in a Cessna a number of times. The fun part is when the pilot lets me take control. It's hard to crash one of those in the middle of nowhere.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:31 PM (Pfem1)

I always wondered why the stall warning sounded like someone was choking out a cat.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 28, 2025 02:32 PM (Zz0t1)

254 In my blue state even rape gets a slap on the wrist for illegals.
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This is the primary mating dance with Indios and Mestizos.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2025 02:32 PM (pZ64F)

255 I don't think this was suicide or otherwise intentional. A big contributor to both fixed wing and helo crashes is cockpit crew not communicating swiftly and effectively plus inexperience, and over confidence, which cost a lot of innocent lives. Her parents said after the crash "she touched a lot of lives". Yes, she did.

Posted by: Cheri at April 28, 2025 02:32 PM (oiNtH)

256 girlboss don' gotta take orders from nobody!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 28, 2025 02:32 PM (/Ghsb)

257 You don't need to "arrest" aliens to deport them. You aren't putting them on trial and sending them to jail, you are just sending them home.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 28, 2025 02:27 PM (t0Rmr)

They even call it "detaining" most of the time.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 28, 2025 02:32 PM (n7h9X)

258 Blackhawk have sticks/collectives/pedals on both sides of the cockpit.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at April 28, 2025 02:30 PM (7aURE)

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Don't know but assume all helicopters would -- the little Robinson R-22s and R-44s (granted, used a lot in training) I got to fly all had them.

Posted by: ShainS at April 28, 2025 02:33 PM (o5GiN)

259 Sitting on deck at a wood tick was crawling on me, cyt it into 2 pieces

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2025 02:33 PM (ypFCm)

260 Blackhawk have sticks/collectives/pedals on both sides of the cockpit.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at April 28, 2025 02:30 PM

This. Not sure why he asserted that. He should have said. My aircraft and took control. And then written her ass up when he got back. But is sensitivity becoming an issue with wokeness?

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 28, 2025 02:33 PM (ewjUl)

261 Compared to the dems that makes me a genius.
A humble genius except for math and memory and girls.

Posted by: Dreamingrobot at April 28, 2025 02:34 PM (Pd0yN)

262 I've been passenger in a Cessna a number of times. The fun part is when the pilot lets me take control. It's hard to crash one of those in the middle of nowhere.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:31 PM (Pfem1)

1. Shoot the pilot.
2. Shove the controls all the way forward.

Simple.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2025 02:34 PM (ExV1e)

263 Her parents said after the crash "she touched a lot of lives". Yes, she did.

Posted by: Cheri at April 28, 2025 02:32 PM (oiNtH)

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* insert Picard facepalm here *

Posted by: ShainS at April 28, 2025 02:34 PM (o5GiN)

264 Did you just assume her gender?

Posted by: ... at April 28, 2025 02:34 PM (yrbn7)

265 Good afternoon!

Update on the prom. Turns out the girl my son went with to the prom only asked him to go to make an ex-boyfriend jealous. He didn't know,and actually thought she liked him. You want to know why a lot of men despise women, there you go.

Posted by: jmel at April 28, 2025 02:34 PM (RWHIh)

266 I've been passenger in a Cessna a number of times. The fun part is when the pilot lets me take control. It's hard to crash one of those in the middle of nowhere.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:31 PM (Pfem1)

I always wondered why the stall warning sounded like someone was choking out a cat.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 28, 2025 02:32 PM (Zz0t1)

I have it on good authority that I have no clue how to keep the nose of an airplane straight. I'm flying up and down like I'm on a rolly coaster.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:35 PM (Pfem1)

267 Wasn't the altitude of the helicopter also a problem?

People on Twitter were also bringing up that the instructor was "outranked" by girlboss (despite having far higher credentials than she had)

I know next to nothing about aviation, but should any "training" helicopter flight be anywhere near the path of incoming commercial jets at one of the busiest airports in the world? Just seems to be asking for trouble.

Posted by: Leupold at April 28, 2025 02:35 PM (4pwAx)

268 I get all that, but the training mission was really stupid, like something out of that terrible romero capper film day of the dead,

why fly into an active airport, to simulate an evacuation scenario, of course the Times really doesn't pick that ball up, because it was a pillow

Posted by: miguel cervantes at April 28, 2025 02:35 PM (bXbFr)

269 I always wondered why the stall warning sounded like someone was choking out a cat.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 28, 2025 02:32 PM (Zz0t1)

It's an attention getter, even with all the wind noise and engine/prop racket in the cockpit.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at April 28, 2025 02:35 PM (/HDaX)

270 Well, I'm wrong on every account of this whole thing.
I thought they were single stick... and I was ASSURED by pilots everywhere that no reasonable human would wear night vision around a brightly lit urban area.
So... I'm clueless. Horrible accident.
Posted by: MkY at April 28, 2025 02:31 PM (+Pp+Q)

I believe the point of the whole mission was to evaluate her ability to do night vision, so having night vision didn't shock me.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 28, 2025 02:35 PM (n7h9X)

271 Don't know but assume all helicopters would -- the little Robinson R-22s and R-44s (granted, used a lot in training) I got to fly all had them.
Posted by: ShainS at April 28, 2025 02:33 PM (o5GiN)

Airwolf didn't......

Neither did TC's Island Hopper chopper.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 28, 2025 02:36 PM (Zz0t1)

272 Jmel

On the bright side, she didn't continue to string him along. There might be hope.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 02:36 PM (6/+5Z)

273 Turns out the girl my son went with to the prom only asked him to go to make an ex-boyfriend jealous.

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He should have said, you know what really makes an ex-boyfriend jealous?

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at April 28, 2025 02:36 PM (sX1BW)

274 Stacey Abrams has acting credits.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 28, 2025 01:55 PM (UBKzV)

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Stacey would create a weight & balance issue on the UH-60.

Posted by: Dirac_Delta at April 28, 2025 02:36 PM (iTLIU)

275 >>>Commercial pickups have gotten out of control!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 28, 2025 02:26 PM (GBKbO)

That's what the co-pilot said!

Posted by: BurtTC

>Too soon!

Posted by: Rev Wishbone at April 28, 2025 02:36 PM (fY84s)

276 From now on when I am late with a project I will tell my boss DOGE ate my workpapers.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at April 28, 2025 02:36 PM (8yx7s)

277 I've worn night vision goggles in both rural and city settings. If you're flying a chopper over a brightly lit city like DC you'd better be on your game . The number of different lights and types of light is disorienting. If the pilot was out of practice after her White House time it was stupid to let her fly there . Her not listening to instructions and recommendations put a horrible end to the stupid

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 28, 2025 02:37 PM (Er3Q7)

278 This is a Wee Too Hi situation.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2025 02:37 PM (pZ64F)

279 I've been passenger in a Cessna a number of times. The fun part is when the pilot lets me take control. It's hard to crash one of those in the middle of nowhere.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:31 PM (Pfem1)

1. Shoot the pilot.
2. Shove the controls all the way forward.

Simple.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2025 02:34 PM (ExV1e)

Jeez, if I had a gun, I think I'd use it on myself... before or after shooting the pilot. Nothing could be more excruciating than waiting for that damn plane to slowly hit the ground.

And it's possible you'll survive!

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:37 PM (Pfem1)

280 Sponge

You forgot Blue Thunder in your litany of cinema/TV helicopters.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 02:37 PM (6/+5Z)

281 I get all that, but the training mission was really stupid, like something out of that terrible romero capper film day of the dead,

why fly into an active airport, to simulate an evacuation scenario, of course the Times really doesn't pick that ball up, because it was a pillow
Posted by: miguel cervantes at April 28, 2025 02:35 PM (bXbFr)

Never heard they were simulating an evac scenario. That route is (or was) an open route to fly, and presumably was convenient to the pilots rather than driving off to some other area and arranging to meet a helo.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 28, 2025 02:37 PM (n7h9X)

282 If the co-pilot could not take control, why is there a co-pilot? The military is not in the habit of assigning extraneous crew to shit for no reason.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2025 02:28 PM (ExV1e)

I just assume damn near every air machine has a second set of controls.

I've been passenger in a Cessna a number of times. The fun part is when the pilot lets me take control. It's hard to crash one of those in the middle of nowhere.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:31 PM

Any Hilo I've ever been in have controls on both. Except for tourist Helo's. They remove the stick and rudders as they don't want tourists jamming the pedals. Military ones do. Some of the Beechcraft fixed wing I've flown in have a yoke that you have to unlock and shift over to the right seat if needed.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 28, 2025 02:38 PM (ewjUl)

283 251 I'm open to an explanation, but that just moves back the question one level: why is the route directly in front of a civilian runway? (Maybe there is a good explanation; but that route seems like a problem to me.)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 28, 2025 02:22 PM (UGyV5)

Because the helicopters on that course are not supposed to fly above 300 feet, and the incoming airliners are not supposed to be below 450 feet. Traffic lanes in the sky.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2025 02:31 PM (8zz6B)

Sure. I accept that.

But we usually try to idiot-proof things that can have a catastrophic outcome if idiots behave like idiots do or equipment fails etc. Why not minimize the risk here by just having these two aircraft not be crossing paths in a way that permits a collision if mistakes are made or equipment fails? There has to be a serious upside to letting them fly in the same general vicinity to make that risk worthwhile. What is it?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 28, 2025 02:38 PM (UGyV5)

284 Update on the prom. Turns out the girl my son went with to the prom only asked him to go to make an ex-boyfriend jealous. He didn't know,and actually thought she liked him. You want to know why a lot of men despise women, there you go.

lol the guy who took me to the prom was doing the same thing! I thought it was hilarious. who cares? you dance, you have fun, you hope to make their "partner" as jealous as possible

sow chaos and charm the shit out of them, so then the next week they're begging you to go out again (to which I said nahhhhh)

Posted by: Black Orchid at April 28, 2025 02:38 PM (Pv3Rg)

285 WO crew chief at the hoist looking at Stacey Abrams, "we gonna need a Skycrane."

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 02:38 PM (6/+5Z)

286
I have it on good authority that I have no clue how to keep the nose of an airplane straight. I'm flying up and down like I'm on a rolly coaster.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:35 PM (Pfem1)

When my dad was flying, I was quite a yute, so I couldn't see over the dash. I just stared at the gauges, so I didn't vary much at all. He never let me land, tho. I'd get to a few feet off the runway and he'd make me let go.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 28, 2025 02:38 PM (Zz0t1)

287 273 Turns out the girl my son went with to the prom only asked him to go to make an ex-boyfriend jealous.
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Did the son know how to play this?

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2025 02:39 PM (pZ64F)

288 272

She tried to, but I overheard two of her girlfriends talking about how she was kissing the ex while still pretending to be my son's girl. I told my son, and that ended it. Bright side is that he will never have to wonder what he did. She's just a slut.

Posted by: jmel at April 28, 2025 02:39 PM (RWHIh)

289 Geez Jmel, I do hope that girl grows up. Or she will be the next Taylor Lorenz.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 02:40 PM (6/+5Z)

290 She's just a slut.
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Sluts have their uses.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 28, 2025 02:41 PM (pZ64F)

291 "And then he just grabbed the controls from me."
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Like when Trump tried to grab the wheel to the Presidential Limo and drive to the Capitol and lead the Insurrection just like he read about in The Turner Diaries.

/s/ The J6 Committee giving the Truth.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 28, 2025 02:41 PM (ToAfG)

292 lol the guy who took me to the prom was doing the same thing! I thought it was hilarious. who cares? you dance, you have fun, you hope to make their "partner" as jealous as possible

sow chaos and charm the shit out of them, so then the next week they're begging you to go out again (to which I said nahhhhh)
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 28, 2025 02:38 PM (Pv3Rg)

If he were smart he would have asked you for help. I bet you could have improved the show or dumped him to have the first girl feel sympathy.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 28, 2025 02:42 PM (n7h9X)

293 ---
Like when Trump tried to grab the wheel to the Presidential Limo and drive to the Capitol and lead the Insurrection just like he read about in The Turner Diaries.

/s/ The J6 Committee giving the Truth.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 28, 2025 02:41 PM (ToAfG)

Just how I told her to say it went!

Posted by: Liz Cheney at April 28, 2025 02:42 PM (Zz0t1)

294 This still has to be Trumps fault though~!

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 28, 2025 02:42 PM (ewjUl)

295 Minnfidel, started the C-47 kit yet?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 02:43 PM (6/+5Z)

296 My sister got into two accidents her first year of driving. But somehow I was the more risky driver driver in the house, cuz male, according to insurance.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 28, 2025 02:00 PM (XXK+d)

My son has never been in an accident. My daughter got into three (all very minor) her first year driving.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2025 02:05 PM (ExV1e)
==
Statistically young women have more accidents - but being more risk averse, they tend to be of smaller events, therefore less costly. Men are superior drivers, and get into fewer accidents. They also tend to over-estimate their abilities and get into bigger problems - more dangerous ones - and thus are more expensive to insure.

Posted by: Black JEM at April 28, 2025 02:43 PM (GZYu7)

297 274 Stacey Abrams has acting credits.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 28, 2025 01:55 PM (UBKzV)

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Stacey would create a weight & balance issue on the UH-60.

Posted by: Dirac_Delta at April 28, 2025 02:36 PM (iTLIU)

She creates a weight & balance issue on Planet Earth.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 28, 2025 02:43 PM (wtvvX)

298 265 Update on the prom. Turns out the girl my son went with to the prom only asked him to go to make an ex-boyfriend jealous. He didn't know,and actually thought she liked him. You want to know why a lot of men despise women, there you go.
Posted by: jmel at April

We are talking about teenagers here who do really dumb and mean things. I can tell you stories about boys who called me “pretty face, chubby waist” and left me with an eating disorder. It won’t help your son right now, but those very people who said these things are all bald and look like pregnant potatoes* while at 53, almost 54, I have 4 pack abs. I can’t seem to get the 6 pack due to giving birth, but that is not important to this story. What is important, is I got the last laugh. As my mama always said, he who laughs last, laughs last.

Posted by: Piper at April 28, 2025 02:44 PM (pZEOD)

299 But we usually try to idiot-proof things that can have a catastrophic outcome if idiots behave like idiots do or equipment fails etc. Why not minimize the risk here by just having these two aircraft not be crossing paths in a way that permits a collision if mistakes are made or equipment fails? There has to be a serious upside to letting them fly in the same general vicinity to make that risk worthwhile. What is it?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 28, 2025 02:38 PM (UGyV5)

Near any major airport, you simply cannot avoid having cross traffic. Simply too many planes in the air. Even cross-country, the airspace is zoned with flight levels for travel in different directions.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 28, 2025 02:44 PM (8zz6B)

300 I wonder what Madison Cornbread is doing these days. Wonder if she's giving evidence to the DOJ .

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 28, 2025 02:45 PM (Er3Q7)

301 The last words on the recorder were the pilot insisting it's a she-licopter

Posted by: ... at April 28, 2025 02:45 PM (yrbn7)

302 *people should not be judged by looking like pregnant potatoes, it is intrinsic worth that matters, but if you are a mean pregnant potato, all bets are off.

Posted by: Piper at April 28, 2025 02:45 PM (pZEOD)

303 If he were smart he would have asked you for help. I bet you could have improved the show or dumped him to have the first girl feel sympathy.

well that is what I did!

I knew he hadn't really broken up with her - sure he was lying about that. I had already gotten the skinny like a few weeks before but I had the dress already and couldn't be bothered dumping him until after the prom lol

I feel like we did most of the teen drama around where I was in middle school. by high school I was totally jaded. now kids are so young even by senior year! it's interesting.

Posted by: Black Orchid at April 28, 2025 02:45 PM (Pv3Rg)

304 But we usually try to idiot-proof things that can have a catastrophic outcome if idiots behave like idiots do or equipment fails etc. Why not minimize the risk here by just having these two aircraft not be crossing paths in a way that permits a collision if mistakes are made or equipment fails? There has to be a serious upside to letting them fly in the same general vicinity to make that risk worthwhile. What is it?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 28, 2025 02:38 PM (UGyV5)

Because the military wanted that quick way to get out of the city area for this kind of thing and never bothered to reassess it based on the huge increase in traffic in the air.

The emergency evac has nothing to do with it, since in that situation normal traffic at National could be closed down entirely.

Bet on laziness for most things.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 28, 2025 02:46 PM (n7h9X)

305 If the ATC and co-pilot hadn’t been mansplaining to her, this never would have happened.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 28, 2025 02:46 PM (l3YAf)

306 Minnfidel, started the C-47 kit yet?
Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 02:43 PM

Sadly, no. Swamped with work and taking care of my Dad.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 28, 2025 02:46 PM (ewjUl)

307 *people should not be judged by looking like pregnant potatoes, it is intrinsic worth that matters, but if you are a mean pregnant potato, all bets are off.
Posted by: Piper at April 28, 2025 02:45 PM (pZEOD)
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Story time with Piper in Oct should be interesting.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 28, 2025 02:46 PM (tT6L1)

308 Virginia Giuffre's lawyer now saying he doesn't believe it was suicidal.

Seems to be suggesting accidental overdose, but that's the thing about pills... anyone can put them in your mouth. Or give you one, when you think it's another.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:46 PM (Pfem1)

309 Said often I never had a bad flight. But then pretty sure never flown by a woman, especially on that helicopter

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2025 02:46 PM (ypFCm)

310 Karoline Leavitt looks great while threatening to sue any universities acting like Harvard in today's briefing.

My favorite question so far is from a Brit reporter asking if the Trump administration would consider granting refugee status to people posting memes on social media that the coppers do not like.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 28, 2025 02:47 PM (m48BN)

311 Madison Cornbread and Rachel Ziegler are now cashiers at TJ Maxx.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 28, 2025 02:47 PM (6/+5Z)

312 Men are superior drivers, and get into fewer accidents. They also tend to over-estimate their abilities and get into bigger problems - more dangerous ones - and thus are more expensive to insure.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 28, 2025 02:43 PM

I never overestimate my abilities. Hold my beer.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 28, 2025 02:48 PM (ewjUl)

313 As my mama always said, he who laughs last, laughs last.
Posted by: Piper at April 28, 2025 02:44 PM (pZEOD)

Did she recommend wielding a knife around the time you wanted to feel amused?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 28, 2025 02:48 PM (ExV1e)

314 She tried to, but I overheard two of her girlfriends talking about how she was kissing the ex while still pretending to be my son's girl. I told my son, and that ended it. Bright side is that he will never have to wonder what he did. She's just a slut.
Posted by: jmel

Hand her a $20 in front of the whole school and say, "thanks for everything".

Posted by: rickb223 at April 28, 2025 02:48 PM (9/IXG)

315 I wonder what Madison Cornbread is doing these days. Wonder if she's giving evidence to the DOJ .
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 28, 2025 02:45 PM (Er3Q7)

If by "giving evidence to the DOJ" you mean serving as a jizz bucket for various folks in the Deep State, then yeah.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 28, 2025 02:48 PM (Pfem1)

316 I feel like we did most of the teen drama around where I was in middle school. by high school I was totally jaded. now kids are so young even by senior year! it's interesting.
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 28, 2025 02:45 PM (Pv3Rg)

yes the youth and even 20+ year olds seem very childlike and super emotional. Even the boys.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 28, 2025 02:48 PM (n7h9X)

317 Nood

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 28, 2025 02:48 PM (u73oe)

318 As my mama always said, he who laughs last, laughs last.
Posted by: Piper at April 28, 2025 02:44 PM (pZEOD)

....is just a hand in the bush.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at April 28, 2025 02:49 PM (Zz0t1)

319 Good afternoon!

Update on the prom. Turns out the girl my son went with to the prom only asked him to go to make an ex-boyfriend jealous. He didn't know,and actually thought she liked him. You want to know why a lot of men despise women, there you go.
Posted by: jmel

Scheming little wench! And I am sure that if a boy did something like this to her, she would be screaming and crying and throwing a fit - all 5 star drama over it. I am a firm believer in karma and she will get hers in return. Sorry this happened to your son.

Posted by: Cheri at April 28, 2025 02:49 PM (oiNtH)

320 Near any major airport, you simply cannot avoid having cross traffic.

Maybe so in general. But in front of the runway at low altitude such cross traffic is unavoidable? I find that hard to believe.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 28, 2025 02:52 PM (UGyV5)

321 Pictures of Virginia some days or weeks before and she looed like she was in a train wreck with a prize fighter

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2025 02:54 PM (ypFCm)

322 Had a girl in high school use me to make her boyfriend jealous. But she didn't tell me until we were at the movies. I just laughed. I had just earned my pilots license so a week later I took one of her friends on a flight up to the beach for lunch. Best date ever.
Sometimes things work out.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 28, 2025 02:54 PM (W/lyH)

323 Near any major airport, you simply cannot avoid having cross traffic.

Maybe so in general. But in front of the runway at low altitude such cross traffic is unavoidable? I find that hard to believe.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 28, 2025 02:52 PM (UGyV5)

They'd probably have to fly southwest then south to avoid Dulles's airspace to go to wherever they were going to end up after flying down the Potomac towards the coast. Over lots of buildings and suburbs rather than water, and more time.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 28, 2025 02:56 PM (n7h9X)

324 I recommend watching someone like CW Lemoine on youtube who discusses accident reports regularly. Much more informational to hear an experienced pilot's perspective than to read what's filtered through NYT reporters.

Posted by: Sjg at April 28, 2025 03:01 PM (aqZN1)

325 I'm beginning to suspect that "Christie Noem's Purse" is a euphemism for some yet-to-be ascertained target in a sinister and dastardly, covert black operation.

Posted by: Rev Wishbone at April 28, 2025 03:03 PM (fY84s)

326 She's just a slut.
Posted by: jmel at April 28, 2025 02:39 PM (RWHIh)

And she's probably damned proud of it and will wear the badge willingly. I'm glad I came of age in the early 60's.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at April 28, 2025 03:04 PM (5xuJ/)

327 They'd probably have to fly southwest then south to avoid Dulles's airspace to go to wherever they were going to end up after flying down the Potomac towards the coast. Over lots of buildings and suburbs rather than water, and more time.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 28, 2025 02:56 PM (n7h9X)

Commercial airliners fly over lots of buildings and suburbs all the time.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 28, 2025 03:12 PM (UGyV5)

328 Oh Stacey played Jaba the Hutt in Star Wars, forgot about that

Posted by: Skip at April 28, 2025 03:14 PM (ypFCm)

329 But we usually try to idiot-proof things that can have a catastrophic outcome if idiots behave like idiots do or equipment fails etc. Why not minimize the risk here by just having these two aircraft not be crossing paths in a way that permits a collision if mistakes are made or equipment fails? There has to be a serious upside to letting them fly in the same general vicinity to make that risk worthwhile. What is it?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 28, 2025 02:38 PM (UGyV5)
==
It was idiot proofed. The pilot was more than an idiot though.

Posted by: Black JEM at April 28, 2025 03:19 PM (GZYu7)

330 10 What I don’t understand is why the instructor pilot didn’t take command when she didn’t turn left and reduce altitude.

I believe the instructor was a warrant officer. She was a captain. Who outranks who?

Posted by: Evil Incarnate at April 28, 2025 03:43 PM (YrqgQ)

331 best guess: she was a pain-in-the-ass so the check flight went to the bottom of the duty pole. too bad karma had to involve so many innocents.

Posted by: gov'theretohelp at April 28, 2025 04:03 PM (PfnFb)

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