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Wednesday Morning Rant
That Shein will either collapse or be greatly reduced as a result of Trump removing the de minimis exemption is not without upsides. Shein is essentially a sweatshop network and is at the bottom of the barrel in terms of labor and environment practices. Even by Chinese standards, Shein is extremely exploitative. The entire business model is also grossly inefficient. The entire "fast fashion" and similar industries exist entirely because of the de minimis exemption, because it makes no sense otherwise. Small-volume sales from half a planet away is an insane business model. There is no way to make that pay when containerized shipping is so comparatively cheap other than a perverse incentive. The de minimis exemption was that perverse incentive.
It's also an exemption that was the enemy of many an environmental group back when it was safe for progressives to attack it. The "Fast fashion" industry is hard on the environment (though that's "over there" and environmental NIMBYism doesn't care about "over there") and borderline disastrous in terms of energy. The energy it takes to ship a Shein garment is significantly greater than it is for a garment delivered through bulk purchasing and distribution. The environmentalists have been talking about this for years now. Had Biden eliminated the de minimis exemption, they'd be cheering. Yet most are not. Orange Man is still Orange Man. The dichotomy is on display in many outlets. "Sustainability Magazine", January 2025:Fast Fashion, ESG & GHG Emissions: Is SHEIN Greenwashing?
Fast fashion giant SHEIN is continually strengthening its ESG efforts with donations, innovations and programmes - but is it greenwashing?
"Sustainability Magazine", February 2025:
Could Trump's Tariffs Spark a Global Climate Tech Trade War?EuroNews, October 2022:
Trump's tariffs on Chinese imports and suspended duties on Canada and Mexico raise fears of a global trade war, with climate tech supply chains at risk
How are Shein hauls making our planet unlivable?
Workers are paid as little as 4 cents per item, a new investigation reveals. While Shein continues to be a sustainability nightmare.
EuroNews, April 2025:
How Trump’s tariffs are dampening hopes of a luxury sector revivalThis one is particularly amusing. Cheap clothes made in China for people without a lot of money and then shipped out? Bad. Expensive luxury goods made in China for rich people and then shipped out? Good. We mustn't disrupt the luxury goods market! You plebes can suffer, but we elites are above that! What did these people think? Did they think at all? The same people who advocate for total deindustrialization and the implementation of dystopian techno-feudalism are decrying a thing that may actually have a meaningful effect in reducing pointless emissions of the Dread Carbon. This will be a side effect rather than the point of the action, but it does have a strong chance of actually reducing emissions purely as a secondary effect. Perhaps that is the point. Their recessions - really, permanent declines and reversals - are good because they're the "Right Thing To Do" (tm) whereas a recession - which hasn't happened yet, but likely will - caused by necessary realignments of global trade and politics is evil. They're getting some of what they want, but they hate it. The wrong guy did it for the wrong reasons. It matters not one iota that they will get something out of this. It only matters that the Orange Man did it, and it is therefore bad. At best, these people want to have their cake and eat it, too. They want no industry but to live in the affordable comfort that industry provides. They want their dream of "decarbonization" without any costs. Those are the idiots. The more cynical simply want those costs externalized onto someone else. The rest are the machinators who never cared other than as a means to power and control. To a man, they all wanted to have it both ways, whichever "both ways" is in question. Some want their hypothetical upside with none of the real downsides. Some want their power without any questioning of it. Some want their luxuries so long as somebody else pays. But all of them want something for nothing and will now learn that that there are no free lunches. One upside of the recession that is likely coming is that it will disabuse a lot of people of the notion that they can have it both ways and that lunch is always free.
The global luxury sector, which has been facing slowing demand and an eroding customer base in the last several months, could be further hit by the escalating trade war between China and the US.
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According to Bank of America, US consumers accounted for about 21% of worldwide luxury sector revenues in 2024, whereas Bain and Company estimated that China made up somewhere between 22% and 24% of global luxury consumption in 2023.
Comments
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Sponge!
Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2025 11:00 AM (dTleh)
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conditions
Posted by: Ciampino - a fowl of colors? at April 23, 2025 11:00 AM (sPQoU)
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st
Posted by: RUReadingthis at April 23, 2025 11:00 AM (aQ25I)
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Not Sponge!
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 11:01 AM (77rzZ)
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are we home?
Posted by: Ciampino - big one? at April 23, 2025 11:02 AM (sPQoU)
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Willowed
I say, go for it!
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 10:56 AM (77rzZ)
___________
There's the small matter of my being married. But who knows what the Holy Spirit might suggest to Their Emininces?
- No more Communion in the hand. Or standing.
- Altar rails are back.
- No more altar girls.
- No more Extraordinary Ministers.
- Confession behind a screen only.
- Priests want to say a Traditional Latin Mass? Go for it.
Willowed
I say, go for it!
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 10:56 AM (77rzZ)
___________
There's the small matter of my being married. But who knows what the Holy Spirit might suggest to Their Emininces?
- No more Communion in the hand. Or standing.
- Altar rails are back.
- No more altar girls.
- No more Extraordinary Ministers.
- Confession behind a screen only.
- Priests want to say a Traditional Latin Mass? Go for it.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 11:02 AM (QnmlO)
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This isn't gonna affect the supply of $6 sun dresses, is it?
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 11:03 AM (77rzZ)
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The "fed" loved the easy money policy to goose the markets, making the rich very much richer as they hollowed out our middle class good jobs, in favor of cheap labor with no concerns about real pollution, or labor laws.
Posted by: illiniwek at April 23, 2025 11:03 AM (Cus5s)
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If Trump's tariffs cause a worldwide recession, it's just proof the world has been living off our money.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2025 11:03 AM (dTleh)
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How Trump�s tariffs are dampening hopes of a luxury sector revival
The global luxury sector, which has been facing slowing demand and an eroding customer base in the last several months, could be further hit by the escalating trade war between China and the US.
Oh noes! The rich won't be able to spend absurd amounts of money on positional goods. To the ramparts!
The global luxury sector, which has been facing slowing demand and an eroding customer base in the last several months, could be further hit by the escalating trade war between China and the US.
Oh noes! The rich won't be able to spend absurd amounts of money on positional goods. To the ramparts!
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:04 AM (s8j++)
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No more Communion in the hand. Or standing.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
Can you explain this issue to this non-Catholic?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
Can you explain this issue to this non-Catholic?
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 11:04 AM (77rzZ)
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A great comment made yesterday, here at the HQ, was the idea of paying more for domestic products that are more expensive, but made to last for a long time. The concept has a LOT of merit, as far as I am concerned.
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:04 AM (PCK5/)
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Shein is essentially a sweatshop network and is at the bottom of the barrel in terms of labor and environment practices
"But it's in a beautiful non-Western culture and that means they can do no wrong!"
"But it's in a beautiful non-Western culture and that means they can do no wrong!"
Posted by: NR Pax at April 23, 2025 11:05 AM (+4yJ5)
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I say make Vietnam the Asian manufacturing capital. They have the prettiest women in Asia.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:06 AM (VofaG)
Posted by: Henry VIII at April 23, 2025 11:06 AM (/dDa4)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 23, 2025 11:06 AM (0sNs1)
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Shein is essentially a sweatshop network and is at the bottom of the barrel in terms of labor and environment practices
"But it's in a beautiful non-Western culture and that means they can do no wrong!"
One wonders at what point the goods transition from a product of a beautiful non-Western culture to an America-raping-the-world bad thing. Is it the International Date Line?
"But it's in a beautiful non-Western culture and that means they can do no wrong!"
One wonders at what point the goods transition from a product of a beautiful non-Western culture to an America-raping-the-world bad thing. Is it the International Date Line?
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:07 AM (s8j++)
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Good morning! SHEIN clothes are really awfully made. If you don’t realize it is sweat shop labor making it, I don’t know what to say.
Posted by: Piper at April 23, 2025 11:07 AM (UiUD7)
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- No more Communion in the hand. Or standing.
- Altar rails are back.
- No more altar girls.
- No more Extraordinary Ministers.
- Confession behind a screen only.
- Priests want to say a Traditional Latin Mass? Go for it.
hmm
that's a decent list
- Altar rails are back.
- No more altar girls.
- No more Extraordinary Ministers.
- Confession behind a screen only.
- Priests want to say a Traditional Latin Mass? Go for it.
hmm
that's a decent list
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 23, 2025 11:08 AM (Pv3Rg)
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11 No more Communion in the hand. Or standing.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
Titanic. Deck chairs, menu, etc.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
Titanic. Deck chairs, menu, etc.
Posted by: Come Sail Away at April 23, 2025 11:08 AM (G5+As)
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Lunch is always free, when someone else is paying for it.
Posted by: Bernie S. at April 23, 2025 11:08 AM (0sNs1)
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A great comment made yesterday, here at the HQ, was the idea of paying more for domestic products that are more expensive, but made to last for a long time. The concept has a LOT of merit, as far as I am concerned.
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:04 AM
Woolrich, Pendleton, Munsingwear etc. Those are clothes that last. That and Toughskin jeans! You could get dragged behind a bus for miles and never wear those out!
Now I fully expect clothes to fall apart after a few washes.
My dad always taught me, buy quality. Especially on tools.
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:04 AM
Woolrich, Pendleton, Munsingwear etc. Those are clothes that last. That and Toughskin jeans! You could get dragged behind a bus for miles and never wear those out!
Now I fully expect clothes to fall apart after a few washes.
My dad always taught me, buy quality. Especially on tools.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:08 AM (4p0Xq)
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Maybe Sponge, maybe not.
Posted by: Werner Heisenberg at April 23, 2025 11:08 AM (PiwSw)
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All things said, we and the Trump Administration are at the "Fuck You, War!" phase.
I want to see their war faces!
All things said, we and the Trump Administration are at the "Fuck You, War!" phase.
I want to see their war faces!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at April 23, 2025 11:08 AM (AA5pe)
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shein and temu and related Chinese garbage just serves to make people inundated with cheap disappointments
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 23, 2025 11:09 AM (Pv3Rg)
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BTW, if that MILF in the ad was waiting for you when you got home, would you need the viagra?
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:09 AM (4p0Xq)
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No more Communion in the hand. Or standing.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
Are we talking about intincture? I don't understand the problem. When I'm sniffling, I don't want to use a communal cup.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh
Are we talking about intincture? I don't understand the problem. When I'm sniffling, I don't want to use a communal cup.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:09 AM (s8j++)
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Shein depended on American tariff policy for its market success here. Merely removing their exemption (forget even reciprocating Chinese tariffs!) drove China's Shein from the American market. This is a startling example of the insanity of previous policy.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 23, 2025 11:09 AM (Yqub2)
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Most golf clubs are made in Asia and mostly China in Asia. I play Ping which I believe are made in the USA.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:10 AM (VofaG)
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A great comment made yesterday, here at the HQ, was the idea of paying more for domestic products that are more expensive, but made to last for a long time. The concept has a LOT of merit, as far as I am concerned.
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:04 AM (PCK5/)
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Clifford D. Simak wrote a story ("Ring Around the Sun") where the global economy is disrupted by durable goods that last forever....Why buy more than one razor blade if it lasts a lifetime and beyond? Cars that run forever with zero maintenance...
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:04 AM (PCK5/)
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Clifford D. Simak wrote a story ("Ring Around the Sun") where the global economy is disrupted by durable goods that last forever....Why buy more than one razor blade if it lasts a lifetime and beyond? Cars that run forever with zero maintenance...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 23, 2025 11:10 AM (7fElN)
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One of the advantages they have, are international postal agreements. They offload all their cheap shit at Long Beach or New York, and the USPS has to deliver it. Requires a lot of handling, I can’t even mail an empty box across town for less than ten bucks. We are subsidizing our unemployment and financial degradation. The president tried to end this one sided arrangement, but a Hawaiian judge probably ruled no can do.
Posted by: Common Tater at April 23, 2025 11:10 AM (dDLWu)
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A great comment made yesterday, here at the HQ, was the idea of paying more for domestic products that are more expensive, but made to last for a long time. The concept has a LOT of merit, as far as I am concerned.
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:04 AM (PCK5/)
If a market for that kind of thing exists, it's not in the world of fashion and fads. When folks can identify last years products as such and judge you for not keeping up, it really works against the idea of long lasting quality.
Whether or not the blue-collar middle class will pay more for a tee shirt or jacket that's still wearable for years, well I guess we'll see.
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:04 AM (PCK5/)
If a market for that kind of thing exists, it's not in the world of fashion and fads. When folks can identify last years products as such and judge you for not keeping up, it really works against the idea of long lasting quality.
Whether or not the blue-collar middle class will pay more for a tee shirt or jacket that's still wearable for years, well I guess we'll see.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 23, 2025 11:11 AM (FCbAQ)
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As a Protestant I prefer Communion by intinction, rather than other means.
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:11 AM (PCK5/)
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18 Good morning! SHEIN clothes are really awfully made. If you don’t realize it is sweat shop labor making it, I don’t know what to say.
Posted by: Piper
Are you trying to collapse the Youtube market of cute young girls with 90 IQs modeling their SHEIN "hauls"?
Posted by: Piper
Are you trying to collapse the Youtube market of cute young girls with 90 IQs modeling their SHEIN "hauls"?
Posted by: Zombie Don Loper at April 23, 2025 11:11 AM (G5+As)
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I hav to see where Academy Sports makes their brand of clothing. That's pretty much where I have bought all my clothes for the last decade.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:12 AM (VofaG)
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Shoo, Shein!!
Posted by: ... at April 23, 2025 11:12 AM (hxILi)
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- No more Communion in the hand. Or standing.
- Altar rails are back.
- No more altar girls.
- No more Extraordinary Ministers.
- Confession behind a screen only.
- Priests want to say a Traditional Latin Mass? Go for it.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 11:02 AM
Under our former President, we'd have had our eye on you.
- Altar rails are back.
- No more altar girls.
- No more Extraordinary Ministers.
- Confession behind a screen only.
- Priests want to say a Traditional Latin Mass? Go for it.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 11:02 AM
Under our former President, we'd have had our eye on you.
Posted by: Your F.B.I. at April 23, 2025 11:12 AM (0sNs1)
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>> When I'm sniffling, I don't want to use a communal cup.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:09 AM (s8j++)
Don’t worry, the communion wine is antiseptic. Nothing can survive in that much sugar.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:09 AM (s8j++)
Don’t worry, the communion wine is antiseptic. Nothing can survive in that much sugar.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 11:12 AM (/dDa4)
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They want no industry but to live in the affordable comfort that industry provides. They want their dream of "decarbonization" without any costs.
Yeah, depending on the audience, environmentalists argue that Saving The Planet requires a complete and utter transformation of human society, or that it just requires a few minor changes that you'll hardly even notice.
You'll be happier when you are forced into a 300 sq ft apartment in a high-rise, utterly dependent on public transportation.
Trust us.
Yeah, depending on the audience, environmentalists argue that Saving The Planet requires a complete and utter transformation of human society, or that it just requires a few minor changes that you'll hardly even notice.
You'll be happier when you are forced into a 300 sq ft apartment in a high-rise, utterly dependent on public transportation.
Trust us.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 23, 2025 11:13 AM (xTIDn)
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Another great post Mannix. Yes the Orange Man did it so its bad is always weird to me. I will admit I also do that to some extant when a D politician or legislature implements or proposes something that sounds or reads like a good thing I wanted. I'm always thinking "where's the catch, or the fine print that makes this actually a bad thing".
But the lefties are mostly just reflexive. If Trump did it, or now even if "that Trump supporter, eg. Musk, did it" it must be bad. So even Tesla, which they all loved when Musk was D or apolitical is now an evil vehicle. They are not far from declaring all Trump voters are subhuman monsters so killing them would be a good thing.
But the lefties are mostly just reflexive. If Trump did it, or now even if "that Trump supporter, eg. Musk, did it" it must be bad. So even Tesla, which they all loved when Musk was D or apolitical is now an evil vehicle. They are not far from declaring all Trump voters are subhuman monsters so killing them would be a good thing.
Posted by: PaleRider at April 23, 2025 11:13 AM (bP/i4)
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:13 AM (4p0Xq)
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Or, as the late wit Noel Coward said, "You can't have your cake and sit in it, too."
Posted by: Beverly at April 23, 2025 11:13 AM (Epeb0)
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It's not fashion, but China is threatening SoKo if it ships REMs or things made with REMs to the US. It's very gracious of the PRC to make a strong case for decoupling from them.
China asks South Korea not to export rare earth products to US defense, warns companies could be sanctioned
https://is.gd/mXvSFf
Asks?
China asks South Korea not to export rare earth products to US defense, warns companies could be sanctioned
https://is.gd/mXvSFf
Asks?
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:14 AM (s8j++)
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If we are merely Consumers then making cheap throwaway goods makes a lot of sense… keep the dollars churning, but Cui Bono?
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:14 AM (PCK5/)
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I asked some friends if they ever got anything from Temu. He said, yeah, a box of shit. She said the tops she ordered were made about like Halloween costumes at the dollar store. Once was enough for them.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 23, 2025 11:14 AM (gm9Sb)
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The Left and environmentalists from the big cities think that food just magically appears in grocery stores so Im sure they have the same mindset about other products.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:14 AM (VofaG)
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we need to not be such consumers
it's not just Chinese garbage buying
it's crappy apps on the phones and crappy AI posts on social media (and crappy non-AI engagement farming posts too)
it needs to end, it's not healthy
create. think. read books. walk. travel. no man CONSOOM
it's not just Chinese garbage buying
it's crappy apps on the phones and crappy AI posts on social media (and crappy non-AI engagement farming posts too)
it needs to end, it's not healthy
create. think. read books. walk. travel. no man CONSOOM
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 23, 2025 11:16 AM (Pv3Rg)
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It’s the same with immigration on the left and housing.
Left: cheap housing is a right!!!
Me: OK cool so let’s kick out 30m illegals and home prices will become affordable as demand plummets for homes
Left: how dare you, racist!!!
Left: cheap housing is a right!!!
Me: OK cool so let’s kick out 30m illegals and home prices will become affordable as demand plummets for homes
Left: how dare you, racist!!!
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 11:16 AM (DKKgv)
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If a market for that kind of thing exists, it's not in the world of fashion and fads. When folks can identify last years products as such and judge you for not keeping up, it really works against the idea of long lasting quality.
Whether or not the blue-collar middle class will pay more for a tee shirt or jacket that's still wearable for years, well I guess we'll see.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
Some of us don't GAF. We DO want long lasting clothes. Which is why I don't mind paying $65 to $80 for a pair of Duluth Ballroom Jeans. As long as I do my part and not get fatter, they'll last 4 or 5 years.
Whether or not the blue-collar middle class will pay more for a tee shirt or jacket that's still wearable for years, well I guess we'll see.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
Some of us don't GAF. We DO want long lasting clothes. Which is why I don't mind paying $65 to $80 for a pair of Duluth Ballroom Jeans. As long as I do my part and not get fatter, they'll last 4 or 5 years.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2025 11:16 AM (5Mo7q)
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But the lefties are mostly just reflexive. If Trump did it, or now even if "that Trump supporter, eg. Musk, did it" it must be bad. So even Tesla, which they all loved when Musk was D or apolitical is now an evil vehicle. They are not far from declaring all Trump voters are subhuman monsters so killing them would be a good thing.
Posted by: PaleRider at April 23, 2025 11:13 AM
The left going nuts over Musk is baffling. The guy is saving us shitloads of money on wasteful spending. Saw a Tesla yesterday with am "I bought this before Elon went crazy" sticker and I laughed at the idiot. If you have to put that sticker on your car because you're worried about vandalism, maybe you're with the wrong party.
Posted by: PaleRider at April 23, 2025 11:13 AM
The left going nuts over Musk is baffling. The guy is saving us shitloads of money on wasteful spending. Saw a Tesla yesterday with am "I bought this before Elon went crazy" sticker and I laughed at the idiot. If you have to put that sticker on your car because you're worried about vandalism, maybe you're with the wrong party.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:16 AM (4p0Xq)
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... with climate tech supply chains at risk
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Climate tech? You mean, like, nuclear power plants?
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Climate tech? You mean, like, nuclear power plants?
Posted by: ShainS --Waking Up Early is White Supremacy at April 23, 2025 11:16 AM (ztPSO)
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You would think the radical environmentalists would be all over Mexico for pouring raw sewage into the Pacific but oddly I haven't heard a peep from them.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:16 AM (VofaG)
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When folks can identify last years products as such and judge you for not keeping up, it really works against the idea of long lasting quality.
I'm going to stick with my fashion approach, which involves pants, a shirt, and shoes. No need to get more complicated than that.
I'm going to stick with my fashion approach, which involves pants, a shirt, and shoes. No need to get more complicated than that.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:16 AM (s8j++)
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Again, Trump's tariffs are proportional tarriffs, all it would take is for countries to lower their tariffs, ie, lower the bar for entry and competition, and, voila, US tariffs will go down as well.
The question that has to be answered is, if tariffs are horrible and bad, then why do countries have tariffs?
The question that has to be answered is, if tariffs are horrible and bad, then why do countries have tariffs?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 23, 2025 11:16 AM (XV/Pl)
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Lunch is always free, when someone else is paying for it.
That really should have had a J Wellington Wimpy sock.
That really should have had a J Wellington Wimpy sock.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at April 23, 2025 11:17 AM (Dg2sF)
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Clifford D. Simak wrote a story ("Ring Around the Sun") where the global economy is disrupted by durable goods that last forever....Why buy more than one razor blade if it lasts a lifetime and beyond? Cars that run forever with zero maintenance...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 23, 2025 11:10 AMMayhem (uppity wench) at April 23, 2025 10:15 AM
The failure of Unbreakable Glass.
https://tinyurl.com/2wp8vt6r
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 23, 2025 11:10 AMMayhem (uppity wench) at April 23, 2025 10:15 AM
The failure of Unbreakable Glass.
https://tinyurl.com/2wp8vt6r
Posted by: toby928 at April 23, 2025 11:17 AM (jc0TO)
Posted by: The average consumer at April 23, 2025 11:18 AM (s8j++)
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Most golf clubs are made in Asia and mostly China in Asia. I play Ping which I believe are made in the USA.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:10 AM (VofaG)
My irons are Pings. But my hybrid is made.bt Chu. When I need it, I ask my caddie for a chu.
Bwahahahaha!!! Cracks me up every time.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:10 AM (VofaG)
My irons are Pings. But my hybrid is made.bt Chu. When I need it, I ask my caddie for a chu.
Bwahahahaha!!! Cracks me up every time.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 23, 2025 11:18 AM (W/lyH)
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Outstanding Rant, Joe!
I design and manufacture highly profitable American OEM products and we have killed ourselves since The Clean Air Act.
Trump is reorganizing the world economy and basing it on energy which is where it should be.
I design and manufacture highly profitable American OEM products and we have killed ourselves since The Clean Air Act.
Trump is reorganizing the world economy and basing it on energy which is where it should be.
Posted by: Danimal28 at April 23, 2025 11:18 AM (klw0w)
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Another downside to the trade deficit with China -- it puts cash in China's hands to bribe our own officials, and to run their own color revolutions over here (and around the world).
Then there is the building of their military (where they steal our tech on everything, and try to copy it).
Then there is the building of their military (where they steal our tech on everything, and try to copy it).
Posted by: illiniwek at April 23, 2025 11:18 AM (Cus5s)
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The question that has to be answered is, if tariffs are horrible and bad, then why do countries have tariffs?
They're absolutely great, provided the other country doesn't respond.
They're absolutely great, provided the other country doesn't respond.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:19 AM (s8j++)
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create. think. read books. walk. travel. no man CONSOOM
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 23, 2025 11:16 AM (Pv3Rg)
Yeah, it’s a big problem. America is addicted to quantity-over-quality, “line go up”, landfill-stuffing “prosperity.” Crap food loaded with HFCS, but huge portions.
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 23, 2025 11:16 AM (Pv3Rg)
Yeah, it’s a big problem. America is addicted to quantity-over-quality, “line go up”, landfill-stuffing “prosperity.” Crap food loaded with HFCS, but huge portions.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 11:19 AM (/dDa4)
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Interesting discussions… I carry a pocketknife that was my grandfathers… very very old… still completely usable… and meaningful ( to me, at least)…
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:19 AM (PCK5/)
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My dad always taught me, buy quality. Especially on tools.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:08 AM (4p0Xq)
I can get 7 pairs of jeans at tractor supply for $90 if I watch the sales. One pair of Levis are almost that much. So I buy a weeks worth all at once, throw the whole lot out around the same time and buy more.
Tools? I buy both. I should say bought. All the important stuff is Mac. 3/4" and 1" impact and stuff like that is all Harbor Freight.
All of my 2" and above wrenches are HF which is another 'for the cost of one I can get 7' situation. I'd still be paying the fucking Mac guy off if I had tried to go high end on those.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:08 AM (4p0Xq)
I can get 7 pairs of jeans at tractor supply for $90 if I watch the sales. One pair of Levis are almost that much. So I buy a weeks worth all at once, throw the whole lot out around the same time and buy more.
Tools? I buy both. I should say bought. All the important stuff is Mac. 3/4" and 1" impact and stuff like that is all Harbor Freight.
All of my 2" and above wrenches are HF which is another 'for the cost of one I can get 7' situation. I'd still be paying the fucking Mac guy off if I had tried to go high end on those.
Posted by: Reforger at April 23, 2025 11:20 AM (xcIvR)
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As long as I do my part and NOT GET FATTER, they'll last 4 or 5 years.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2025 11:16 AM (5Mo7q)
There's always a catch.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2025 11:16 AM (5Mo7q)
There's always a catch.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 23, 2025 11:20 AM (FCbAQ)
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The question that has to be answered is, if tariffs are horrible and bad, then why do countries have tariffs?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 23, 2025 11:16 AM (XV/Pl)
The free trade at any cost people will say all the other countries hurt themselves with those tariffs.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 23, 2025 11:16 AM (XV/Pl)
The free trade at any cost people will say all the other countries hurt themselves with those tariffs.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 11:20 AM (DKKgv)
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You would think the radical environmentalists would be all over Mexico for pouring raw sewage into the Pacific but oddly I haven't heard a peep from them.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:16 AM
I'll tell you EXACTLY why. Because A) Brown people and the left has so browbeaten itself and others about white privilege that nobody dare say a word, cuz rayciss! and B) Mostly B) they don't give a shit. Same with all the EV and solar components using slave labor and horrid enviro practices. As long as they get to virtue signal and it's not in their back yard. They really don't care because they don't have to see it.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:16 AM
I'll tell you EXACTLY why. Because A) Brown people and the left has so browbeaten itself and others about white privilege that nobody dare say a word, cuz rayciss! and B) Mostly B) they don't give a shit. Same with all the EV and solar components using slave labor and horrid enviro practices. As long as they get to virtue signal and it's not in their back yard. They really don't care because they don't have to see it.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:21 AM (4p0Xq)
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shein and temu and related Chinese garbage just serves to make people inundated with cheap disappointments
Posted by: Black Orchid
Well duh, the GOPe's been doing that for decades...
Posted by: Black Orchid
Well duh, the GOPe's been doing that for decades...
Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at April 23, 2025 11:21 AM (OUMaO)
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55 Lunch is always free, when someone else is paying for it.
That really should have had a J Wellington Wimpy sock.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
I'll have you know that I am NOT a deadbeat and pay off my hamburger sandwich debt each Tuesday.
That really should have had a J Wellington Wimpy sock.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
I'll have you know that I am NOT a deadbeat and pay off my hamburger sandwich debt each Tuesday.
Posted by: J. Wellington Wimpy at April 23, 2025 11:21 AM (G5+As)
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If we are merely Consumers then making cheap throwaway goods makes a lot of sense… keep the dollars churning, but Cui Bono?
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:14 AM
I don't know about these days but when we were stationed in Japan nearly everything was disposable including cars. The Japanese government would only allow people to own a car for two years after that they imposed a huge fee on the owner which encouraged them to trade it in or sell the car to a foreigner. Americans could own the older cars without penalty. The market on the base was glutted with low mileage newish used cars. That kept their auto industry propped up.
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:14 AM
I don't know about these days but when we were stationed in Japan nearly everything was disposable including cars. The Japanese government would only allow people to own a car for two years after that they imposed a huge fee on the owner which encouraged them to trade it in or sell the car to a foreigner. Americans could own the older cars without penalty. The market on the base was glutted with low mileage newish used cars. That kept their auto industry propped up.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 23, 2025 11:21 AM (e5NfL)
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Same with all the EV and solar components using slave labor and horrid enviro practices. As long as they get to virtue signal and it's not in their back yard. They really don't care because they don't have to see it.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:21 AM (4p0Xq)
Complete willful ignorance.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:21 AM (4p0Xq)
Complete willful ignorance.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at April 23, 2025 11:22 AM (asR6R)
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 11:22 AM (/dDa4)
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great comment made yesterday, here at the HQ, was the idea of paying more for domestic products that are more expensive, but made to last for a long time. The concept has a LOT of merit, as far as I am concerned.
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:04 AM (PCK5/)
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Clifford D. Simak wrote a story ("Ring Around the Sun") where the global economy is disrupted by durable goods that last forever....Why buy more than one razor blade if it lasts a lifetime and beyond? Cars that run forever with zero maintenance...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 23, 2025 11:10 AM (7fElN)
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Simak is very underrated
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:04 AM (PCK5/)
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Clifford D. Simak wrote a story ("Ring Around the Sun") where the global economy is disrupted by durable goods that last forever....Why buy more than one razor blade if it lasts a lifetime and beyond? Cars that run forever with zero maintenance...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 23, 2025 11:10 AM (7fElN)
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Simak is very underrated
Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at April 23, 2025 11:22 AM (Fp/GP)
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The left going nuts over Musk is baffling. The guy is saving us shitloads of money on wasteful spending.
Posted by: Minnfidel
The ones bitching are the ones who's free money supply has ended.
Posted by: Minnfidel
The ones bitching are the ones who's free money supply has ended.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2025 11:23 AM (5Mo7q)
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12 A great comment made yesterday, here at the HQ, was the idea of paying more for domestic products that are more expensive, but made to last for a long time. The concept has a LOT of merit, as far as I am concerned.
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:04 AM (PCK5/)
Also, I'm OK with paying more for American made products that provide employment for Americans, instead of buying cheap crap from China, then paying higher taxes to cover unemployment or welfare for Americans who lost their jobs when manufacturing moved to China.
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:04 AM (PCK5/)
Also, I'm OK with paying more for American made products that provide employment for Americans, instead of buying cheap crap from China, then paying higher taxes to cover unemployment or welfare for Americans who lost their jobs when manufacturing moved to China.
Posted by: BillyD at April 23, 2025 11:23 AM (Yt3ED)
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You'll be happier when you are forced into a 300 sq ft apartment in a high-rise, utterly dependent on public transportation.
A few years back, a tranny Communist "transportation advocate" (welcome to California) noted that the whole point of forcing people into small rental apartments and forcing people to only use public transportation was to encourage collectivist modes of thought - the more dependent you make people on the government, the stronger left-wing political parties are going to be.
A few years back, a tranny Communist "transportation advocate" (welcome to California) noted that the whole point of forcing people into small rental apartments and forcing people to only use public transportation was to encourage collectivist modes of thought - the more dependent you make people on the government, the stronger left-wing political parties are going to be.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 23, 2025 11:24 AM (xTIDn)
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My dad always taught me, buy quality. Especially on tools.
Posted by: Minnfidel
But once, cry once.
Posted by: Minnfidel
But once, cry once.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2025 11:24 AM (5Mo7q)
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Fast fashion is a massive waste of money and resources.
For those who don't know, basically the chinese companies make very cheap, inferior products almost immediately after a new fashion comes out.
So a designer comes out with a $500 shirt, and companies in China make a $20 version of it that is almost designed to be disposable. Obviously at that price point, you're not going to wear it more than a few times before it falls apart.
And when a new fashion comes out, the companies jump on that as well.
It's not infringing on any IP (long story about the history of clothing being able to be patented or copyrighted) necessarily, but I mean...
Just wasteful all around.
For those who don't know, basically the chinese companies make very cheap, inferior products almost immediately after a new fashion comes out.
So a designer comes out with a $500 shirt, and companies in China make a $20 version of it that is almost designed to be disposable. Obviously at that price point, you're not going to wear it more than a few times before it falls apart.
And when a new fashion comes out, the companies jump on that as well.
It's not infringing on any IP (long story about the history of clothing being able to be patented or copyrighted) necessarily, but I mean...
Just wasteful all around.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:24 AM (uCjyK)
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I have found that you get more bang for the buck with USA made golf clubs.
Posted by: Michael Skakel at April 23, 2025 11:24 AM (G5+As)
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If a market for that kind of thing exists, it's not in the world of fashion and fads. When folks can identify last years products as such and judge you for not keeping up, it really works against the idea of long lasting quality.
Whether or not the blue-collar middle class will pay more for a tee shirt or jacket that's still wearable for years, well I guess we'll see.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 23, 2025 11:11 AM (FCbAQ)
This is true for women who, btw, are the ones who keep the fashion industry viable. Young women especially don't want to be caught outside wearing clothes that were popular six months/a year ago.
Whether or not the blue-collar middle class will pay more for a tee shirt or jacket that's still wearable for years, well I guess we'll see.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 23, 2025 11:11 AM (FCbAQ)
This is true for women who, btw, are the ones who keep the fashion industry viable. Young women especially don't want to be caught outside wearing clothes that were popular six months/a year ago.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 23, 2025 11:25 AM (g8Ew8)
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My dad always taught me, buy quality. Especially on tools.
Posted by: Minnfidel
Buy once, cry once.
Damn fat thumb.
Posted by: Minnfidel
Buy once, cry once.
Damn fat thumb.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2025 11:25 AM (5Mo7q)
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Earlier this year I went on a 3 day ski trip and forgot to pack pants. All I had was my ski pants. So I went to Walmart and bought a pair of cargo pants for $17 just to have for those coupe of days. Turns out I kinda like them and wore them after the trip. But they’ve already started falling apart. Not even 3 months.
You get what you pay for.
You get what you pay for.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 11:25 AM (DKKgv)
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Admittedly I'm a little of both, quality or quantity, depending on the product.
I don't need the $75 Under Armor shirt to play tennis when I can get a equally functional Academy brand shirt for less than $20.
I don't need the $75 Under Armor shirt to play tennis when I can get a equally functional Academy brand shirt for less than $20.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:25 AM (VofaG)
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I have found that you get more bang for the buck with USA made golf clubs.
Posted by: Michael Skakel at April 23, 2025 11:24 AM (G5+As)
It was just a matter of time.
Posted by: Michael Skakel at April 23, 2025 11:24 AM (G5+As)
It was just a matter of time.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at April 23, 2025 11:25 AM (asR6R)
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JG Ballard has a scary short story about enforced disposable goods - similar to what Japan is seemingly doing, which is crazy - I can't remember the name but when they made that (excellent) anthology series of Ballard stories on streaming it was the one with Buscemi .. I'll look it up
anyway I ended up with all the things when grandparents passed. because I love things that work and are well made. I have cast iron that is probably over 60 years old. my house itself is really old. I grew up also in two very old homes.
why buy garbage when there are wonderful well made things to be had and kept up instead.
anyway I ended up with all the things when grandparents passed. because I love things that work and are well made. I have cast iron that is probably over 60 years old. my house itself is really old. I grew up also in two very old homes.
why buy garbage when there are wonderful well made things to be had and kept up instead.
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 23, 2025 11:26 AM (Pv3Rg)
Posted by: Ex-Mrs. Tiger Woods at April 23, 2025 11:26 AM (Y1sOo)
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There's the small matter of my being married. But who knows what the Holy Spirit might suggest to Their Emininces?
- No more Communion in the hand. Or standing.
- Altar rails are back.
- No more altar girls.
- No more Extraordinary Ministers.
- Confession behind a screen only.
- Priests want to say a Traditional Latin Mass? Go for it.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 11:02 AM (QnmlO)
Got my vote.
- No more Communion in the hand. Or standing.
- Altar rails are back.
- No more altar girls.
- No more Extraordinary Ministers.
- Confession behind a screen only.
- Priests want to say a Traditional Latin Mass? Go for it.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 11:02 AM (QnmlO)
Got my vote.
Posted by: Cardinal Bob at April 23, 2025 11:26 AM (Abk96)
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The ones bitching are the ones who's free money supply has ended.
Yeah, it turns out the primary purpose of USAID was to subsidize the economy of the Washington DC metro area.
In every case of waste, fraud, and abuse, someone is the recipient of the wasted money.
Yeah, it turns out the primary purpose of USAID was to subsidize the economy of the Washington DC metro area.
In every case of waste, fraud, and abuse, someone is the recipient of the wasted money.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 23, 2025 11:26 AM (xTIDn)
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Posted by: Reforger at April 23, 2025 11:20 AM
I should have clarified. I was talking mostly power tools. Milwaukee, Porter Cable etc. All my gas powered stuff like my chainsaw is Stihl and an old Husqvarna. I've got mostly those brands. They are older and built to last. Not sure about the new stuff because my old stuff still works great! I don't do much wrenching nowadays so I can get buy with the cheaper stuff as I rarely use it. But my old original Craftsman socket set from the late 70's or is solid. If it's tool I am going to use once or twice, sure I'll go cheap. But you get what you pay for.
I should have clarified. I was talking mostly power tools. Milwaukee, Porter Cable etc. All my gas powered stuff like my chainsaw is Stihl and an old Husqvarna. I've got mostly those brands. They are older and built to last. Not sure about the new stuff because my old stuff still works great! I don't do much wrenching nowadays so I can get buy with the cheaper stuff as I rarely use it. But my old original Craftsman socket set from the late 70's or is solid. If it's tool I am going to use once or twice, sure I'll go cheap. But you get what you pay for.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:26 AM (4p0Xq)
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I don't skimp on mechanical based products to save a buck because in the long run you're going to end up spending more.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:27 AM (VofaG)
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Now I want a hamburger.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at April 23, 2025 11:27 AM (Dg2sF)
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For most products there's a sliding scale regarding pricing and quality. I'll pay $700 for a new Fender Stratocaster--made in Mexico. I could buy a cheap copy from Chynah, but the electronics would be terrible, the neck thin, and it would require too much work to get it to sound as good as the Fender.
On the other hand, a made-in-America (California, actually) Fender would cost about $1,600. In theory the pickups (an electronic component for those of you who don't play guitar) are slightly better, but a new set of pickups don't cost the $900 that is the difference in price.
On the other hand, a made-in-America (California, actually) Fender would cost about $1,600. In theory the pickups (an electronic component for those of you who don't play guitar) are slightly better, but a new set of pickups don't cost the $900 that is the difference in price.
Posted by: Crusader at April 23, 2025 11:27 AM (TN0g+)
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People always say they’re willing to spend more for US made products or better quality. But they’ve don’t really mean it. There are US made products out there. But they tend to be niche markets. The masses have a choice and the choice is almost always cheap Chinese crap.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 11:28 AM (DKKgv)
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In the home gym equipment business, there's a few companies that pride themselves on made in America. And they're doing great now. The rest all use Chinese steel, and they're all dropping "tariff notices" about price increases on their social media. I've been pleased to see some comments left saying gee maybe try using American steel instead of just jacking up prices.
Posted by: brak at April 23, 2025 11:28 AM (6u9Kz)
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at April 23, 2025 11:29 AM (kJSnN)
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93 People always say they’re willing to spend more for US made products or better quality. But they’ve don’t really mean it. There are US made products out there. But they tend to be niche markets. The masses have a choice and the choice is almost always cheap Chinese crap.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 11:28 AM (DKKgv)
I wonder… is economics downstream from culture???
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 11:28 AM (DKKgv)
I wonder… is economics downstream from culture???
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:29 AM (PCK5/)
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Buying a quality tool is, how you say, not something just men do.
Posted by: Paolo at April 23, 2025 11:29 AM (0sNs1)
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From Americanmind
It was necessary, Hamilton contended, to exert the government’s authority to promote American manufacturing to counteract the “artificial policy” of other nations that sought to exclude or disadvantage American goods. The ultimate aim of such a policy, he explained, was not the “vain project of selling everything and buying nothing”—it was instead to secure America’s vital national interests. Hamilton argued that national “independence and security” are the “great objects” of all governments, thus requiring each country to “possess within itself all the essentials of national supply,” especially “the means of subsistence, habitation, clothing, and defense.” Having such goods available within one’s own country, he continued, “is necessary to the perfection of the body politic, to the safety as well as the welfare of the society.”
It was necessary, Hamilton contended, to exert the government’s authority to promote American manufacturing to counteract the “artificial policy” of other nations that sought to exclude or disadvantage American goods. The ultimate aim of such a policy, he explained, was not the “vain project of selling everything and buying nothing”—it was instead to secure America’s vital national interests. Hamilton argued that national “independence and security” are the “great objects” of all governments, thus requiring each country to “possess within itself all the essentials of national supply,” especially “the means of subsistence, habitation, clothing, and defense.” Having such goods available within one’s own country, he continued, “is necessary to the perfection of the body politic, to the safety as well as the welfare of the society.”
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 23, 2025 11:30 AM (gbOdA)
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Those are the idiots.
Permanent childhood.
It is like that segment of the female population who believes they can jump from bed to bed until they hit 35 and then marry a 9 foot trillionaire who'll give them a couple tranny children.
Or the men who believe that they can smoke dope and play video games 24/7 and that maximizes their "masculine energy".
Or, really, anything a Democrat believes.
Permanent childhood.
It is like that segment of the female population who believes they can jump from bed to bed until they hit 35 and then marry a 9 foot trillionaire who'll give them a couple tranny children.
Or the men who believe that they can smoke dope and play video games 24/7 and that maximizes their "masculine energy".
Or, really, anything a Democrat believes.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 23, 2025 11:30 AM (ExV1e)
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I have found that you get more bang for the buck with USA made golf clubs.
Posted by: Michael Skakel
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lol...
Posted by: Michael Skakel
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lol...
Posted by: Debbie Downer at April 23, 2025 11:30 AM (5hfjS)
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Fast Fashion needs to die.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 23, 2025 11:30 AM (Oq5OE)
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I'm proud to say I had never heard of Shein or fast fashion up until a day or so ago. I realize I'm not the target market but still. . .
China has been at war with us for centuries. I'm perfectly happy to destroy them and their culture.
China has been at war with us for centuries. I'm perfectly happy to destroy them and their culture.
Posted by: Tonypete at April 23, 2025 11:30 AM (vKNmo)
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Perfect example of paying more for American-made quality. KitchenAid.
Pricey, but solidly built. Lasts almost forever.
Pricey, but solidly built. Lasts almost forever.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at April 23, 2025 11:31 AM (kJSnN)
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Now I want a hamburger.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at April 23, 2025 11:27 AM
I've got one on the grill for you. With cheese!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at April 23, 2025 11:27 AM
I've got one on the grill for you. With cheese!
Posted by: Charles "Chuck" Schumer (D-NY) at April 23, 2025 11:31 AM (0sNs1)
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Yeah, it’s a big problem. America is addicted to quantity-over-quality, “line go up”, landfill-stuffing “prosperity.” Crap food loaded with HFCS, but huge portions.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 11:19 AM (/dDa4)
Yes, there is does need to be a cultural shift.
That said, at least in my little corner of the world, it does seem to be in effect already.
I can't tell you how many people I know got rid of Amazon Prime because they got sick of just buying stupid junk that is absolute trash. They'd rather overspend at Crate and Barrell then deal with another off brand, piece of shit fork or whatever they're buying.
As far as young girls and "fashionable" clothes? I don't know, my grandmother wore dresses made out of potato sacks, I'm sure the young girls can figure out a solution that doesn't require us to export pollution and import chinese-made low quality clothing.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 11:19 AM (/dDa4)
Yes, there is does need to be a cultural shift.
That said, at least in my little corner of the world, it does seem to be in effect already.
I can't tell you how many people I know got rid of Amazon Prime because they got sick of just buying stupid junk that is absolute trash. They'd rather overspend at Crate and Barrell then deal with another off brand, piece of shit fork or whatever they're buying.
As far as young girls and "fashionable" clothes? I don't know, my grandmother wore dresses made out of potato sacks, I'm sure the young girls can figure out a solution that doesn't require us to export pollution and import chinese-made low quality clothing.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:31 AM (uCjyK)
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The tools I own are cheap Home Depot products. It’s because for the amount of use they get, it’s fine. I use my drill twice a year maybe. But if I were a true manly man who does manly things I’d fork out $$ for quality.
It’s not always black and white.
It’s not always black and white.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 11:31 AM (DKKgv)
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103 Perfect example of paying more for American-made quality. KitchenAid.
Pricey, but solidly built. Lasts almost forever.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at April 23, 2025 11:31 AM (kJSnN)
We have a Kitchen full of KitchenAid…
Pricey, but solidly built. Lasts almost forever.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at April 23, 2025 11:31 AM (kJSnN)
We have a Kitchen full of KitchenAid…
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:32 AM (PCK5/)
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Perfect example of paying more for American-made quality. KitchenAid.
Pricey, but solidly built. Lasts almost forever.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix
See also: Speed Queen. Those damn machines last forever.
Pricey, but solidly built. Lasts almost forever.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix
See also: Speed Queen. Those damn machines last forever.
Posted by: Tonypete at April 23, 2025 11:32 AM (vKNmo)
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 23, 2025 11:32 AM (Pv3Rg)
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My main hope in the possible pain and shortages we may feel because of the 'tariff war' is identifying products that need to be manufactured here regardless of tariffs. I just read that Halliburton is warning oil and gas exploration may slow because the equipment needed might not be available.
That is unacceptable on a national security basis.
That is unacceptable on a national security basis.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:32 AM (VofaG)
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103 Perfect example of paying more for American-made quality. KitchenAid.
Pricey, but solidly built. Lasts almost forever.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at April 23, 2025 11:31 AM (kJSnN)
My stand mixer is still going strong after, whatever, 10 years, 5-10 moves, me banging the heavy thing around, and using it aggressively.
It did cost like $700 with the accessories back then, but it is showing no signs of slowing down.
Pricey, but solidly built. Lasts almost forever.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at April 23, 2025 11:31 AM (kJSnN)
My stand mixer is still going strong after, whatever, 10 years, 5-10 moves, me banging the heavy thing around, and using it aggressively.
It did cost like $700 with the accessories back then, but it is showing no signs of slowing down.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:32 AM (uCjyK)
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77 My dad always taught me, buy quality. Especially on tools.
Posted by: Minnfidel
But once, cry once.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2025 11:24 AM (5Mo7q)
Same here, the exception being tools I only expect to use once, or a few times. Then it's off to Harbor Freight for some cheap crap that will probably last long enough to get the job done. Probably.
Posted by: Minnfidel
But once, cry once.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2025 11:24 AM (5Mo7q)
Same here, the exception being tools I only expect to use once, or a few times. Then it's off to Harbor Freight for some cheap crap that will probably last long enough to get the job done. Probably.
Posted by: BillyD at April 23, 2025 11:32 AM (Yt3ED)
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Shoes, Furniture, and Tools.
You get what you pay for.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at April 23, 2025 11:29 AM (kJSnN)
Vajayjay is on that list, too.
You get what you pay for.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at April 23, 2025 11:29 AM (kJSnN)
Vajayjay is on that list, too.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at April 23, 2025 11:33 AM (Dg2sF)
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Whether or not the blue-collar middle class will pay more for a tee shirt or jacket that's still wearable for years, well I guess we'll see.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
I'm currently wearing a tee shirt that I bought at least ten years ago. I recall paying a couple extra dollars for it.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
I'm currently wearing a tee shirt that I bought at least ten years ago. I recall paying a couple extra dollars for it.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 23, 2025 11:33 AM (ExV1e)
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My stand mixer is still going strong after, whatever, 10 years, 5-10 moves, me banging the heavy thing around, and using it aggressively.
It did cost like $700 with the accessories back then, but it is showing no signs of slowing down.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:32 AM
Yep. I think mine would mix concrete if I wanted to.
It did cost like $700 with the accessories back then, but it is showing no signs of slowing down.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:32 AM
Yep. I think mine would mix concrete if I wanted to.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:33 AM (4p0Xq)
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110 My main hope in the possible pain and shortages we may feel because of the 'tariff war' is identifying products that need to be manufactured here regardless of tariffs. I just read that Halliburton is warning oil and gas exploration may slow because the equipment needed might not be available.
That is unacceptable on a national security basis.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:32 AM (VofaG)
We cannot manufacture much of the equipment we need to maintain our electrical grid. Apparently, according to an article I read a few years back, we now transport most transformers etc. from Korea.
That is one step up from "literally retarded" if true.
That is unacceptable on a national security basis.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:32 AM (VofaG)
We cannot manufacture much of the equipment we need to maintain our electrical grid. Apparently, according to an article I read a few years back, we now transport most transformers etc. from Korea.
That is one step up from "literally retarded" if true.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:33 AM (uCjyK)
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China has been at war with us for centuries.
Posted by: Tonypete
No, they haven't. Aside from understandable anticolonial movements like the Boxer Rebellion, it wasn't until the Commies got power that they started making war on us.
Posted by: Tonypete
No, they haven't. Aside from understandable anticolonial movements like the Boxer Rebellion, it wasn't until the Commies got power that they started making war on us.
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 11:34 AM (77rzZ)
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I use my drill twice a year maybe. But if I were a true manly man who does manly things I’d fork out $$ for quality.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 11:31 AM
Ace weeps.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 11:31 AM
Ace weeps.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 23, 2025 11:34 AM (0sNs1)
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I should have mentioned the companies. Quality made in America for home gyms: Rogue. Texas Power Bars. Strength Co.
Posted by: brak at April 23, 2025 11:34 AM (6u9Kz)
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93 People always say they’re willing to spend more for US made products or better quality. But they’ve don’t really mean it. There are US made products out there. But they tend to be niche markets. The masses have a choice and the choice is almost always cheap Chinese crap.
The airlines agree with your summary. People bitch and bitch about the dreadful "service" yet they almost always choose an airline based on cost.
The airlines agree with your summary. People bitch and bitch about the dreadful "service" yet they almost always choose an airline based on cost.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:34 AM (s8j++)
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See also: Speed Queen. Those damn machines last forever.
Yes.
My sister had a lightning strike a few weeks ago that fried everything in the house and caused a small fire.
She insisted on replacing her washer and dryer with SpeedQueen only. She swears by them.
Yes.
My sister had a lightning strike a few weeks ago that fried everything in the house and caused a small fire.
She insisted on replacing her washer and dryer with SpeedQueen only. She swears by them.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at April 23, 2025 11:35 AM (kJSnN)
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:35 AM (4p0Xq)
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I don't skimp on mechanical based products to save a buck because in the long run you're going to end up spending more.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:27 AM (VofaG)
*puffs pipe thoughtfully*
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:27 AM (VofaG)
*puffs pipe thoughtfully*
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at April 23, 2025 11:35 AM (muwun)
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I play Ping which I believe are made in the USA.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:10 AM (VofaG)
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I have two sets of Hogan irons. Made in Fort Worth, like Ben himself.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:10 AM (VofaG)
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I have two sets of Hogan irons. Made in Fort Worth, like Ben himself.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at April 23, 2025 11:35 AM (wzAuc)
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This isn't gonna affect the supply of $6 sun dresses, is it?
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 11:03 AM (77rzZ)
As I mentioned yesterday, I've purchased frilly gal underwear from Shein (not for me, perverts).
It's not meant to be worn long. It's meant to be taken off.
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 11:03 AM (77rzZ)
As I mentioned yesterday, I've purchased frilly gal underwear from Shein (not for me, perverts).
It's not meant to be worn long. It's meant to be taken off.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2025 11:36 AM (dGCAG)
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China delenda est…
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:36 AM (PCK5/)
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Apparently, according to an article I read a few years back, we now transport most transformers etc. from Korea.
That is one step up from "literally retarded" if true.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:33 AM
There is a 3 year lead time on transformers. One EMP and we be lighting with oil lamps.
That is one step up from "literally retarded" if true.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:33 AM
There is a 3 year lead time on transformers. One EMP and we be lighting with oil lamps.
Posted by: toby928 at April 23, 2025 11:36 AM (jc0TO)
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People always say they’re willing to spend more for US made products or better quality. But they’ve don’t really mean it. There are US made products out there. But they tend to be niche markets. The masses have a choice and the choice is almost always cheap Chinese crap.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 11:28 AM
If we could go back to when the real "Made in America" stuff was top quality I would be totally onboard with buying US manufactured goods even though they would cost significantly more.
I have a stapler that I use at the gun range. It is a Sears brand with "made in the USA" stamped on the side. I bought that thing in 1981 and it is still going strong. Pretty sure it will outlast me and my son will pitch it in the trash when I am gone. We also have a coleman cooler that we bought in 1989 that we use all of the time, it's quality and way beyond the junk I see for sale now.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 11:28 AM
If we could go back to when the real "Made in America" stuff was top quality I would be totally onboard with buying US manufactured goods even though they would cost significantly more.
I have a stapler that I use at the gun range. It is a Sears brand with "made in the USA" stamped on the side. I bought that thing in 1981 and it is still going strong. Pretty sure it will outlast me and my son will pitch it in the trash when I am gone. We also have a coleman cooler that we bought in 1989 that we use all of the time, it's quality and way beyond the junk I see for sale now.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 23, 2025 11:36 AM (e5NfL)
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117 China has been at war with us for centuries.
Posted by: Tonypete
No, they haven't. Aside from understandable anticolonial movements like the Boxer Rebellion, it wasn't until the Commies got power that they started making war on us.
Yeah, I was a bit puzzled by the comment. They didn't really see us as an enemy until 1949.
Posted by: Tonypete
No, they haven't. Aside from understandable anticolonial movements like the Boxer Rebellion, it wasn't until the Commies got power that they started making war on us.
Yeah, I was a bit puzzled by the comment. They didn't really see us as an enemy until 1949.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:37 AM (s8j++)
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Bulg - I thought the true Boxer Rebellion was in the late '80s. Hardly anyone wears briefs anymore.
Posted by: Tonypete at April 23, 2025 11:37 AM (vKNmo)
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The airlines agree with your summary. People bitch and bitch about the dreadful "service" yet they almost always choose an airline based on cost.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:34 AM
I've paid extra to not fly on Spirit or Frontier. Mostly because if there's a mechanical issue, you're fckd for a while because they don't have many if any backup aircraft.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:34 AM
I've paid extra to not fly on Spirit or Frontier. Mostly because if there's a mechanical issue, you're fckd for a while because they don't have many if any backup aircraft.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:37 AM (4p0Xq)
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We cannot manufacture much of the equipment we need to maintain our electrical grid. Apparently, according to an article I read a few years back, we now transport most transformers etc. from Korea.
That is one step up from "literally retarded" if true.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:33 AM (uCjyK)
I'd much rather it be from Korea than communist China.
That is one step up from "literally retarded" if true.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:33 AM (uCjyK)
I'd much rather it be from Korea than communist China.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 23, 2025 11:37 AM (g8Ew8)
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I have a stapler that I use at the gun range.
Posted by: Mister Scott
Forgive my ignorance, but why would you use a stapler on a gun range?
Posted by: Mister Scott
Forgive my ignorance, but why would you use a stapler on a gun range?
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM (77rzZ)
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM (s8j++)
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The airlines agree with your summary. People bitch and bitch about the dreadful "service" yet they almost always choose an airline based on cost.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:34 AM (s8j++)
Heh. Was going to add this exact thing to my post. But didn’t want to start a discussion on that because I know how much hate there is for airlines.
You’re 100% right. Everyone bitches that airlines are like the bus now. But that did t happen on its own. It was airlines responding to consumer demand. If a flight on Spirit is $12 cheaper than Delta Business the majority of people will choose Spirit, lol. And then go on Twitter to complain how awful spirit is.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:34 AM (s8j++)
Heh. Was going to add this exact thing to my post. But didn’t want to start a discussion on that because I know how much hate there is for airlines.
You’re 100% right. Everyone bitches that airlines are like the bus now. But that did t happen on its own. It was airlines responding to consumer demand. If a flight on Spirit is $12 cheaper than Delta Business the majority of people will choose Spirit, lol. And then go on Twitter to complain how awful spirit is.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM (DKKgv)
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Allegiant Airlines… they would have you flying in cargo if they could..
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM (PCK5/)
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Clifford D. Simak wrote a story ("Ring Around the Sun") where the global economy is disrupted by durable goods that last forever....Why buy more than one razor blade if it lasts a lifetime and beyond? Cars that run forever with zero maintenance...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 23, 2025 11:10 AM (7fElN)
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Simak is very underrated
Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at April 23, 2025 11:22 AM (Fp/GP)
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Yep. There's a reason he's a grandmaster of science fiction.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 23, 2025 11:10 AM (7fElN)
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Simak is very underrated
Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at April 23, 2025 11:22 AM (Fp/GP)
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Yep. There's a reason he's a grandmaster of science fiction.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM (7fElN)
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Perfect example of paying more for American-made quality. KitchenAid.
Pricey, but solidly built. Lasts almost forever.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix
See also: Speed Queen. Those damn machines last forever.
Posted by: Tonypete at April 23, 2025 11:32 AM (vKNmo)
yeah I thought about Kitchen Aid but I went with
LG. I did buy a Chevy truck though to balance it
out though.
Pricey, but solidly built. Lasts almost forever.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix
See also: Speed Queen. Those damn machines last forever.
Posted by: Tonypete at April 23, 2025 11:32 AM (vKNmo)
yeah I thought about Kitchen Aid but I went with
LG. I did buy a Chevy truck though to balance it
out though.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM (VofaG)
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When I had my first child a few years ago, my mom sent me a box of a few old toys that were mine in the late 80s. All of it said "made in usa" on it and I was pretty shocked. It's next to impossible to find children's toys today that aren't made in China. Yet just a few decades ago somehow we did it.
Posted by: brak at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM (6u9Kz)
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There is a 3 year lead time on transformers. One EMP and we be lighting with oil lamps.
Posted by: toby928 at April 23, 2025 11:36 AM
It's not that bad as most of us would be dead.
Posted by: toby928 at April 23, 2025 11:36 AM
It's not that bad as most of us would be dead.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 23, 2025 11:39 AM (e5NfL)
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I have a stapler that I use at the gun range.
Not much stopping power.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM (s8j++)
Tacking up targets....
Not much stopping power.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM (s8j++)
Tacking up targets....
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 23, 2025 11:39 AM (VNX3d)
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I have a stapler that I use at the gun range.
Not much stopping power.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM
You have to be close enough to smell their breath.
Not much stopping power.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM
You have to be close enough to smell their breath.
Posted by: toby928 at April 23, 2025 11:39 AM (jc0TO)
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I have a stapler that I use at the gun range.
Posted by: Mister Scott
Forgive my ignorance, but why would you use a stapler on a gun range?
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM (77rzZ)
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When hot irons are in short supply?
Posted by: Mister Scott
Forgive my ignorance, but why would you use a stapler on a gun range?
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM (77rzZ)
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When hot irons are in short supply?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 23, 2025 11:39 AM (7fElN)
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also, I'm no bleeding heart tree hugger here, but the pollution in China is both literally and figuratively breath taking.
Walking around Beijing or any major city I've been to, you feel like you're breathing in car tires and lithium ion batteries. Your clothes and skin get coated in a chemically oil.
During the winter, when everyone is burning coal to keep their apartments and businesses at ungodly high temperatures (seriously, Chinese people set their thermostats to like 75 F), you literally can't see 30 feet in front of you.
I don't see how any one who cares even a little bit about the environment can be okay with that.
Part of the reason everything is cheaper in China is not just the slave labor -- it's that they're literally willing to poison the environment to save a few bucks to make shitty exports that will end up in a landfill anyways.
It's monumentally stupid. And wasteful.
Walking around Beijing or any major city I've been to, you feel like you're breathing in car tires and lithium ion batteries. Your clothes and skin get coated in a chemically oil.
During the winter, when everyone is burning coal to keep their apartments and businesses at ungodly high temperatures (seriously, Chinese people set their thermostats to like 75 F), you literally can't see 30 feet in front of you.
I don't see how any one who cares even a little bit about the environment can be okay with that.
Part of the reason everything is cheaper in China is not just the slave labor -- it's that they're literally willing to poison the environment to save a few bucks to make shitty exports that will end up in a landfill anyways.
It's monumentally stupid. And wasteful.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:39 AM (uCjyK)
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Allegiant Airlines… they would have you flying in cargo if they could..
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM
They charge you more if you upgrade from wheel well.
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM
They charge you more if you upgrade from wheel well.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:39 AM (4p0Xq)
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Thx Joe.
It would definitely be a horrifying mess if China fell apart. You read about their ghost cities, there degrading their own environment, their man - woman numbers disparities caused by one child policy, their sclerotic and totalitarian government and the fact that most Chinese are basically slaves and you realize it can't go on for ever. Push their economy in the right way and splat
It would definitely be a horrifying mess if China fell apart. You read about their ghost cities, there degrading their own environment, their man - woman numbers disparities caused by one child policy, their sclerotic and totalitarian government and the fact that most Chinese are basically slaves and you realize it can't go on for ever. Push their economy in the right way and splat
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 23, 2025 11:39 AM (6TePA)
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The tools I own are cheap Home Depot products. It’s because for the amount of use they get, it’s fine. I use my drill twice a year maybe. But if I were a true manly man who does manly things I’d fork out $$ for quality.
It’s not always black and white.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 11:31 AM (DKKgv)
The problem is you can hardly even buy a good cordless drill. They’re all cheap plastic and made in China. Remember when power tools used to have metal cases instead of plastic plastic plastic?
Then they charge outrageous amounts for replacement batteries. You can get cheap knock-offs online, so they change the battery styles every do often so nothing is compatible.
It’s not always black and white.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 11:31 AM (DKKgv)
The problem is you can hardly even buy a good cordless drill. They’re all cheap plastic and made in China. Remember when power tools used to have metal cases instead of plastic plastic plastic?
Then they charge outrageous amounts for replacement batteries. You can get cheap knock-offs online, so they change the battery styles every do often so nothing is compatible.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 11:39 AM (/dDa4)
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120 93 People always say they’re willing to spend more for US made products or better quality. But they’ve don’t really mean it. There are US made products out there. But they tend to be niche markets. The masses have a choice and the choice is almost always cheap Chinese crap.
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The airlines agree with your summary. People bitch and bitch about the dreadful "service" yet they almost always choose an airline based on cost.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:34 AM (s8j++)
It kinda depends on how one shops. If you have a household item, and it breaks down, the easiest thing to do is order a new one from Amazon or Walmart, and get on with your day.
If you want to spend half a day shopping around town for a "good" one, that's fantastic. Not everyone has the time or inclination to do that, and otherwise finding that "good" one online is a chore, because you have to surf through all the Chi Nah crap before you find it.
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The airlines agree with your summary. People bitch and bitch about the dreadful "service" yet they almost always choose an airline based on cost.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:34 AM (s8j++)
It kinda depends on how one shops. If you have a household item, and it breaks down, the easiest thing to do is order a new one from Amazon or Walmart, and get on with your day.
If you want to spend half a day shopping around town for a "good" one, that's fantastic. Not everyone has the time or inclination to do that, and otherwise finding that "good" one online is a chore, because you have to surf through all the Chi Nah crap before you find it.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2025 11:40 AM (dGCAG)
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I wouldn't recommend a new Kitchen Aid. Mine was supposedly reconditioned, has been returned and reconditioned again,and still doesn't work right.
Also, you need to apply new grease and seals to keep those mixers going. mrmixer.store has the stuff to do this.
Also, you need to apply new grease and seals to keep those mixers going. mrmixer.store has the stuff to do this.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 23, 2025 11:40 AM (cvWHI)
150
I have an advanced Tactical Combat Stapler., just in case.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at April 23, 2025 11:40 AM (muwun)
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150 I have an advanced Tactical Combat Stapler., just in case.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at April 23, 2025 11:40 AM (muwun)
With the thing that goes up?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at April 23, 2025 11:40 AM (muwun)
With the thing that goes up?
Posted by: BillyD at April 23, 2025 11:41 AM (Yt3ED)
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I don't see how any one who cares even a little bit about the environment can be okay with that.
Part of the reason everything is cheaper in China is not just the slave labor -- it's that they're literally willing to poison the environment to save a few bucks to make shitty exports that will end up in a landfill anyways.
It's monumentally stupid. And wasteful.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:39 AM
Agree 100%. So buying less from them is a start. And we (the US) seem to be the only ones held to higher standards. I am all for being smart about the enviroment and protecting it. The enviroment is global and China is the worst polluter of all. Stop buying their shit if possible.
Part of the reason everything is cheaper in China is not just the slave labor -- it's that they're literally willing to poison the environment to save a few bucks to make shitty exports that will end up in a landfill anyways.
It's monumentally stupid. And wasteful.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:39 AM
Agree 100%. So buying less from them is a start. And we (the US) seem to be the only ones held to higher standards. I am all for being smart about the enviroment and protecting it. The enviroment is global and China is the worst polluter of all. Stop buying their shit if possible.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:42 AM (4p0Xq)
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The problem is you can hardly even buy a good cordless drill. They’re all cheap plastic and made in China. Remember when power tools used to have metal cases instead of plastic plastic plastic?
Then they charge outrageous amounts for replacement batteries. You can get cheap knock-offs online, so they change the battery styles every do often so nothing is compatible.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 11:39 AM (/dDa4)
Yeah, I had a halfway decent drill, but since I don't use it often, and have had it for a while, the battery was completely dead, and nobody sold the replacement.
Off to Walmart I go... the one I bought is cheap Chi Nah.
The hardware stores all close before I get off work, so yeah, Wally World is open late.
Then they charge outrageous amounts for replacement batteries. You can get cheap knock-offs online, so they change the battery styles every do often so nothing is compatible.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 11:39 AM (/dDa4)
Yeah, I had a halfway decent drill, but since I don't use it often, and have had it for a while, the battery was completely dead, and nobody sold the replacement.
Off to Walmart I go... the one I bought is cheap Chi Nah.
The hardware stores all close before I get off work, so yeah, Wally World is open late.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2025 11:42 AM (dGCAG)
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I'd much rather it be from Korea than communist China.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 23, 2025 11:37 AM (g8Ew
I'd rather it be from the US. What if the Koreas go to war? Or China invades Korea? Or a government gets elected in Korea that's unfriendly to the US (despite the CIA's best efforts)?
Or, even if they remain friendly, let's say there's an EMP or Carrington Event or something else. Korea is of course going to prioritize their own electrical grid over ours.
There is no excuse to outsource major infrastructure to foreign countries.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 23, 2025 11:37 AM (g8Ew
I'd rather it be from the US. What if the Koreas go to war? Or China invades Korea? Or a government gets elected in Korea that's unfriendly to the US (despite the CIA's best efforts)?
Or, even if they remain friendly, let's say there's an EMP or Carrington Event or something else. Korea is of course going to prioritize their own electrical grid over ours.
There is no excuse to outsource major infrastructure to foreign countries.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:42 AM (uCjyK)
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It's next to impossible to find children's toys today that aren't made in China.
Posted by: brak
I have a funny story about that. When my kid was small, I bought him one of those bags of cheap plastic figurines that he could play with. The theme of this one was (feather) Indians. It included a few Indians brandishing spears and bows and arrows, a totem pole, and...a cobra.
I guess the Chinese factory where it was made could not distinguish between feather Indians and dot Indians.
Posted by: brak
I have a funny story about that. When my kid was small, I bought him one of those bags of cheap plastic figurines that he could play with. The theme of this one was (feather) Indians. It included a few Indians brandishing spears and bows and arrows, a totem pole, and...a cobra.
I guess the Chinese factory where it was made could not distinguish between feather Indians and dot Indians.
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 11:43 AM (77rzZ)
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I don't see how any one who cares even a little bit about the environment can be okay with that.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
Does Chyna still execute people and send the family a bill for the cost of the bullet?
Could be one reason no one says anything.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
Does Chyna still execute people and send the family a bill for the cost of the bullet?
Could be one reason no one says anything.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2025 11:44 AM (5Mo7q)
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Ive commented before I think a lot of this is caused by an attitude that is IMO is why third world countries are third world counties. An attitude that is the opposite of the attitude that made America exceptional. An attitude that is increasing in our younger generation.
The 'good enough' attitude.
The 'good enough' attitude.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:44 AM (VofaG)
158
We should have a Manhattan Project to stockpile electrical grid equipment in some mine somewhere.
Posted by: toby928 at April 23, 2025 11:44 AM (jc0TO)
159
Allegiant Airlines… they would have you flying in cargo if they could..
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM (PCK5/)
Buy one ticket from them, one time, and they will never ever ever ever ever stop emailing you.
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM (PCK5/)
Buy one ticket from them, one time, and they will never ever ever ever ever stop emailing you.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2025 11:44 AM (dGCAG)
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Heinlein sad it long ago... TANSTAAFL in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
Still true.
Still true.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 23, 2025 11:44 AM (BMgMK)
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I have a funny story about that. When my kid was small, I bought him one of those bags of cheap plastic figurines that he could play with. The theme of this one was (feather) Indians. It included a few Indians brandishing spears and bows and arrows, a totem pole, and...a cobra.
I guess the Chinese factory where it was made could not distinguish between feather Indians and dot Indians.
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 11:43 AM
LOL. The durka durka tribe. I always love reading the descriptions and instructions on products from Chyna. It's funny as hell.
I guess the Chinese factory where it was made could not distinguish between feather Indians and dot Indians.
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 11:43 AM
LOL. The durka durka tribe. I always love reading the descriptions and instructions on products from Chyna. It's funny as hell.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:45 AM (4p0Xq)
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Can you explain this issue to this non-Catholic?
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 11:04 AM (77rzZ)
Part 1.
At the risk of setting off another round of Catholic-bashing around here, Catholics believe (or are supposed to believe) in the Real Presence. That is, the Consecrated Host, even the tiniest particle of it, contains the whole of the Body and Blood of Christ.
Therefore, any Consecrated Host needs must be handled with care and reverence. In the Tridentine Rite, after the Elevation of the Host, the priest afterwards keeps together through the rest of the Communion Rite the right thumb and forefinger that touched It. When the Host is distributed to the faithful receiving, the altar boy holds a Communion plate under the chin of the communicant, lest the Host fall to the floor.
Post-Communion, the priest performs ablutions, first washing the Chalice with wine and receiving it, then having his fingers washed and receiving it. That way, any trace of the Consecrated species has been consumed. If a second priest is assisting in distributing, he dips his right thumb and forefinger into an ablution cup full of Holy Water that's on the altar.
Can you explain this issue to this non-Catholic?
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 11:04 AM (77rzZ)
Part 1.
At the risk of setting off another round of Catholic-bashing around here, Catholics believe (or are supposed to believe) in the Real Presence. That is, the Consecrated Host, even the tiniest particle of it, contains the whole of the Body and Blood of Christ.
Therefore, any Consecrated Host needs must be handled with care and reverence. In the Tridentine Rite, after the Elevation of the Host, the priest afterwards keeps together through the rest of the Communion Rite the right thumb and forefinger that touched It. When the Host is distributed to the faithful receiving, the altar boy holds a Communion plate under the chin of the communicant, lest the Host fall to the floor.
Post-Communion, the priest performs ablutions, first washing the Chalice with wine and receiving it, then having his fingers washed and receiving it. That way, any trace of the Consecrated species has been consumed. If a second priest is assisting in distributing, he dips his right thumb and forefinger into an ablution cup full of Holy Water that's on the altar.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 11:45 AM (QnmlO)
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My dad always taught me, buy quality. Especially on tools.
Posted by: Minnfidel
But once, cry once.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2025 11:24 AM (5Mo7q)
Absolutely. Cheap tools are satan's playground. I have corded milwaukee and makita tools that are 35 years old and still work and look like new. My bosch jigsaws are from the time they were made in Switzerland and still work like the day I got them. They could make a cut in a Corian counter top like it was done with a laser, the cheaper jigsaws of the time would look like the cut was done with a steak knife. These days the cheaper stuff has definitely gotten way better compared to years past, but you can tell the difference.
Posted by: Minnfidel
But once, cry once.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 23, 2025 11:24 AM (5Mo7q)
Absolutely. Cheap tools are satan's playground. I have corded milwaukee and makita tools that are 35 years old and still work and look like new. My bosch jigsaws are from the time they were made in Switzerland and still work like the day I got them. They could make a cut in a Corian counter top like it was done with a laser, the cheaper jigsaws of the time would look like the cut was done with a steak knife. These days the cheaper stuff has definitely gotten way better compared to years past, but you can tell the difference.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 23, 2025 11:45 AM (snZF9)
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My Mom had a KitchenAid stand mixer, a very stout machine. Dad would at times take it down to the bakery to use on some special order where he didn't want to fire up the big Hobarts. The KitchenAid gave off an ozone smell I still remember. As far as I know my Ex still has it.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 23, 2025 11:45 AM (gm9Sb)
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My girls are all affluent, and I've noticed a new trend among them now that they're having kids. They buy absolutely absurdly overbuilt and overpriced baby equipment (strollers, cribs, etc.), but once they're done with kids, they pass them on to their relatives and friends who need that stuff. I have to admit, the quality stuff really lasts and is well designed.
Seems to me that they're practicing what's being preached here.
Seems to me that they're practicing what's being preached here.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:46 AM (s8j++)
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I saw The Dread Carbon open for Black Helium at Moles in '19.
Posted by: ShainS --Waking Up Early is White Supremacy at April 23, 2025 11:46 AM (OpoaD)
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Can you explain this issue to this non-Catholic?
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 11:04 AM (77rzZ)
Part 1.
At the risk of setting off another round of Catholic-bashing around here, Catholics believe (or are supposed to believe) in the Real Presence. That is, the Consecrated Host, even the tiniest particle of it, contains the whole of the Body d. If a second priest is assisting in distributing, he dips his right thumb and forefinger into an ablution cup full of Holy Water that's on the altar.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April
Uh-Oh….
JK, Hadrian
Can you explain this issue to this non-Catholic?
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 11:04 AM (77rzZ)
Part 1.
At the risk of setting off another round of Catholic-bashing around here, Catholics believe (or are supposed to believe) in the Real Presence. That is, the Consecrated Host, even the tiniest particle of it, contains the whole of the Body d. If a second priest is assisting in distributing, he dips his right thumb and forefinger into an ablution cup full of Holy Water that's on the altar.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April
Uh-Oh….
JK, Hadrian
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:47 AM (PCK5/)
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134 I have a stapler that I use at the gun range.
Real men use Swingline, as John Moses Browning intended.
Real men use Swingline, as John Moses Browning intended.
Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at April 23, 2025 11:47 AM (P2Y6t)
Posted by: Gonzotx at April 23, 2025 11:47 AM (nGraA)
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 23, 2025 11:47 AM (gbOdA)
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We're not losing business we're changing who we do business with.
Yesterday a ship bound from the Gulf of America for China, loaded with petroleum product, in the middle of the Pacific, changed course and is now headed for Japan.
Yesterday a ship bound from the Gulf of America for China, loaded with petroleum product, in the middle of the Pacific, changed course and is now headed for Japan.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 23, 2025 11:47 AM (fT5dE)
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You’re 100% right. Everyone bitches that airlines are like the bus now. But that did t happen on its own. It was airlines responding to consumer demand. If a flight on Spirit is $12 cheaper than Delta Business the majority of people will choose Spirit, lol. And then go on Twitter to complain how awful spirit is.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM (DKKgv)
I don't know how true that is. I only fly major airlines (mostly Delta, get points through my Amex), and that's true of most people I know.
It really only takes one bad experience with a "budget" airline to realize the extra $100 or whatever is well worth it to get on an airline that if there is an issue, will be much more willing and likely to fix it. And treat you kind of like a human being in the process.
On the flip side, I do travel kind of a lot and have status at Delta so I also get upgrades to First class on short flights pretty regularly. If I was an infrequent flier and had to pay for everything myself, maybe I'd feel differently.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM (DKKgv)
I don't know how true that is. I only fly major airlines (mostly Delta, get points through my Amex), and that's true of most people I know.
It really only takes one bad experience with a "budget" airline to realize the extra $100 or whatever is well worth it to get on an airline that if there is an issue, will be much more willing and likely to fix it. And treat you kind of like a human being in the process.
On the flip side, I do travel kind of a lot and have status at Delta so I also get upgrades to First class on short flights pretty regularly. If I was an infrequent flier and had to pay for everything myself, maybe I'd feel differently.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:47 AM (uCjyK)
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Dick Durbin announces he will not seek re-election.
Posted by: mr tmz at April 23, 2025 11:47 AM (rJ48h)
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Gave off an ozone smell I still remember. As far as I know my Ex still has it.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 23, 2025 11:45 AM
Your ex wife has an ozone smell? I'd get rid of her too.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 23, 2025 11:45 AM
Your ex wife has an ozone smell? I'd get rid of her too.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:47 AM (4p0Xq)
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Dick Durbin is not running for reelection. Expect another extremely stupid Illinois Dem senator
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 23, 2025 11:48 AM (6TePA)
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Dick Durbin announces he will not seek re-election.
Posted by: mr tmz at April 23, 2025 11:47 AM
BFD, he'll be replaced by some other more woke leftist turd from that state.
Posted by: mr tmz at April 23, 2025 11:47 AM
BFD, he'll be replaced by some other more woke leftist turd from that state.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:48 AM (4p0Xq)
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175 Dick Durbin is not running for reelection. Expect another extremely stupid Illinois Dem senator
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 23, 2025 11:48 AM (6TePA)
Adam Kinzinger… don’t laugh.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 23, 2025 11:48 AM (6TePA)
Adam Kinzinger… don’t laugh.
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:49 AM (PCK5/)
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14 I say make Vietnam the Asian manufacturing capital. They have the prettiest women in Asia.
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You clearly have not traveled to the highlands of Thailand.
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You clearly have not traveled to the highlands of Thailand.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 23, 2025 11:49 AM (pZ64F)
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Dick Durbin is not running for reelection. Expect another extremely stupid Illinois Dem senator
That's surprising. He was one I expected to have to be wheeled out feet first.
That's surprising. He was one I expected to have to be wheeled out feet first.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:49 AM (s8j++)
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To a man, they all wanted to have it both ways, whichever "both ways" is in question.
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Almost as if they were emotional, psychological, and mental infants. Almost.
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Almost as if they were emotional, psychological, and mental infants. Almost.
Posted by: ShainS --Waking Up Early is White Supremacy at April 23, 2025 11:49 AM (sAaGN)
Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 11:49 AM (g47mK)
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174 The Ex? Sometimes a sulfur and brimstone odor.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 23, 2025 11:50 AM (gm9Sb)
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Amid talk of a possible deal with China the 10 year rate is dropping so far today. I guess the Chinese must be pausing (or at least slowing) their bond dumps.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 23, 2025 11:50 AM (YaKQq)
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I want to spend more time with my family...and MS-13 terrorists.
Posted by: Sen. Dick "Dick" Durban at April 23, 2025 11:50 AM (Y1sOo)
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Therefore, any Consecrated Host needs must be handled with care and reverence. In the Tridentine Rite, after the Elevation of the Host, the priest afterwards keeps together through the rest of the Communion Rite the right thumb and forefinger that touched It. When the Host is distributed to the faithful receiving, the altar boy holds a Communion plate under the chin of the communicant, lest the Host fall to the floor.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 11:45 AM (QnmlO)
Or just pass around a tray of saltines and tiny grape juice cups. Same thing,
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 11:45 AM (QnmlO)
Or just pass around a tray of saltines and tiny grape juice cups. Same thing,
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 11:50 AM (/dDa4)
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My father had two sayings: "Hurried work is worried work" and "A job done well is a job well done!"
Posted by: Jonas Grumby at April 23, 2025 11:51 AM (RFhjS)
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I grew up Catholic. If the host got stuck to the roof of your mouth it was going to be there a while.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:51 AM (4p0Xq)
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Or just pass around a tray of saltines and tiny grape juice cups. Same thing,
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 11:50 AM (/dDa4)
run that by Jesus when you finally get to meet him and get back to me why doncha?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 11:50 AM (/dDa4)
run that by Jesus when you finally get to meet him and get back to me why doncha?
Posted by: kallisto at April 23, 2025 11:52 AM (dCxaZ)
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Therefore, any Consecrated Host needs must be handled with care and reverence. In the Tridentine Rite, after the Elevation of the Host, the priest afterwards keeps together through the rest of the Communion Rite the right thumb and forefinger that touched It. When the Host is distributed to the faithful receiving, the altar boy holds a Communion plate under the chin of the communicant, lest the Host fall to the floor.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 11:45 AM (QnmlO)
Been a while since I've been to a Catholic mass, but last I checked they'll let every Tom's dick (and hairy) handle the host. Including all the heathens who receive it.
Everyone puts their filthy hands on it. It's sorta like the designated hitter rule. Everyone else had one. The National League did not. But now it's like "sure, we'll let any fat slob come up to bat."
Nah, bro. You told me it was sacred, then you dropped it as soon as you decided it gets you more butts in the seats not to.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 11:45 AM (QnmlO)
Been a while since I've been to a Catholic mass, but last I checked they'll let every Tom's dick (and hairy) handle the host. Including all the heathens who receive it.
Everyone puts their filthy hands on it. It's sorta like the designated hitter rule. Everyone else had one. The National League did not. But now it's like "sure, we'll let any fat slob come up to bat."
Nah, bro. You told me it was sacred, then you dropped it as soon as you decided it gets you more butts in the seats not to.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2025 11:52 AM (dGCAG)
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Ive commented before I think a lot of this is caused by an attitude that is IMO is why third world countries are third world counties. An attitude that is the opposite of the attitude that made America exceptional. An attitude that is increasing in our younger generation.
The 'good enough' attitude.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:44 AM (VofaG)
I agree. There is definitely a noticeable "enshittification" and loss of competency going on around the world.
That "Puritan work effort" and "taking pride in your work" stuff that people scoffed at? Yeah, that probably had a lot to do with why we went from a third world backwater to the leading world economy in 100 years.
But now we bring in foreigners to "do the jobs that Americans won't do", who clearly don't give a shit about the work quality. And our corporate cultures push short term "fixes" on everything, which also leads to shittier long term outcome.
I don't know the solution, really, but it's not an ideal situation to be in.
The 'good enough' attitude.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:44 AM (VofaG)
I agree. There is definitely a noticeable "enshittification" and loss of competency going on around the world.
That "Puritan work effort" and "taking pride in your work" stuff that people scoffed at? Yeah, that probably had a lot to do with why we went from a third world backwater to the leading world economy in 100 years.
But now we bring in foreigners to "do the jobs that Americans won't do", who clearly don't give a shit about the work quality. And our corporate cultures push short term "fixes" on everything, which also leads to shittier long term outcome.
I don't know the solution, really, but it's not an ideal situation to be in.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:52 AM (uCjyK)
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187 I grew up Catholic. If the host got stuck to the roof of your mouth it was going to be there a while.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:51 AM (4p0Xq)
You were not supposed to put peanut butter on it…
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:51 AM (4p0Xq)
You were not supposed to put peanut butter on it…
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:52 AM (PCK5/)
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Dick Durbin announces he will not seek re-election.
This is actually a good sign - he's only 80 (young in Senate years), and is an indication that he doesn't expect the D's to take back control of the Senate.
It's less fun being in the minority party.
This is actually a good sign - he's only 80 (young in Senate years), and is an indication that he doesn't expect the D's to take back control of the Senate.
It's less fun being in the minority party.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 23, 2025 11:52 AM (xTIDn)
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Part 2
So what happens at a Novus Ordo Mass? Communicants shamble up to (usually) the Extraordinary Minister of the Eucharist, have the Host put in the hand and put in their mouth. Yeah, it should be done right there but who's watching?
After Communion, the priest performs ablutions. The EMs should perform ablutions of some kind, not that I've ever seen any do it. But what about the communicants? That's the problem with Communion in the hand. No one receiving has the opportunity (or inclination) to perform the necessary purification before returning the hand to its ordinary use.
Retrograde thinking like mine is sneered at by hip, modern thinkers as "crumb theology". But if it's a dogmatic matter, I'd like to think it ought to be taken seriously.
Thus endeth the lesson.
Part 2
So what happens at a Novus Ordo Mass? Communicants shamble up to (usually) the Extraordinary Minister of the Eucharist, have the Host put in the hand and put in their mouth. Yeah, it should be done right there but who's watching?
After Communion, the priest performs ablutions. The EMs should perform ablutions of some kind, not that I've ever seen any do it. But what about the communicants? That's the problem with Communion in the hand. No one receiving has the opportunity (or inclination) to perform the necessary purification before returning the hand to its ordinary use.
Retrograde thinking like mine is sneered at by hip, modern thinkers as "crumb theology". But if it's a dogmatic matter, I'd like to think it ought to be taken seriously.
Thus endeth the lesson.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 11:52 AM (QnmlO)
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Puritan work effort = Puritan work ethic*
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:52 AM (uCjyK)
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My father had two sayings: "Hurried work is worried work" and "A job done well is a job well done!"
Posted by: Jonas Grumby at April 23, 2025 11:51 AM (RFhjS)
Mine is there's never enough time to do it right, but there always seems to be time to do it over.
Posted by: Jonas Grumby at April 23, 2025 11:51 AM (RFhjS)
Mine is there's never enough time to do it right, but there always seems to be time to do it over.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 23, 2025 11:53 AM (snZF9)
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Good morning! SHEIN clothes are really awfully made. If you don’t realize it is sweat shop labor making it, I don’t know what to say.
4 CENTS a garment you get paid
4 CENTS!!!!
4 CENTS a garment you get paid
4 CENTS!!!!
Posted by: Gonzotx at April 23, 2025 11:53 AM (nGraA)
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178 14 I say make Vietnam the Asian manufacturing capital. They have the prettiest women in Asia.
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You clearly have not traveled to the highlands of Thailand.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 23, 2025 11:49 AM (pZ64F)
Thailand has the prettiest women who aren't actually women.
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You clearly have not traveled to the highlands of Thailand.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 23, 2025 11:49 AM (pZ64F)
Thailand has the prettiest women who aren't actually women.
Posted by: BillyD at April 23, 2025 11:53 AM (Yt3ED)
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Or just pass around a tray of saltines and tiny grape juice cups. Same thing,
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 11:50 AM (/dDa4)
run that by Jesus when you finally get to meet him and get back to me why doncha?
Reformation fight!!!
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 11:50 AM (/dDa4)
run that by Jesus when you finally get to meet him and get back to me why doncha?
Reformation fight!!!
Posted by: Martin Luther at April 23, 2025 11:53 AM (jGJov)
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I like Allegiant. Been using them for trips to FL. Cheap and cheerful, as far as I've ever experienced.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 23, 2025 11:53 AM (5EV+l)
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Guys hear me out , ROD BLAJOEVICH !
Posted by: runner at April 23, 2025 11:54 AM (g47mK)
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187 I grew up Catholic. If the host got stuck to the roof of your mouth it was going to be there a while.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:51 AM (4p0Xq)
You were not supposed to put peanut butter on it…
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:52 AM
Would have actually helped. Those things were made up of like stryofoam and sawdust. No way Jesus had that at the last supper. My church now actually uses bread. Crazy idea. Oh and back in the day. EVERYONE would drink out of the same chalice.
Ugh.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:51 AM (4p0Xq)
You were not supposed to put peanut butter on it…
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:52 AM
Would have actually helped. Those things were made up of like stryofoam and sawdust. No way Jesus had that at the last supper. My church now actually uses bread. Crazy idea. Oh and back in the day. EVERYONE would drink out of the same chalice.
Ugh.Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 11:54 AM (4p0Xq)
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If they want to look into the abomination that is today’s air travel, take a look at how United and others price seats. Almost every seat is now “premium” or some other made up formulation to charge more. There is no rhyme or reason to how it occurs. You can often be seated next to a regular price seat, just because.
Oh yeah and want to move through the line quicker? Pay me. Want to board sooner? Pay me. The mafia isn’t even this bad.
Oh yeah and want to move through the line quicker? Pay me. Want to board sooner? Pay me. The mafia isn’t even this bad.
Posted by: Vengeance at April 23, 2025 11:54 AM (m+vrf)
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Unseen consequences:
TikTok now getting flooded with videos from Chinese apparel factories showing that they make most popular American brands and sell them to the American garment industry for pennies on the dollar for what consumers pay.
Tons of comments investigating how to purchase clothes direct to consumer from Chinese factories, bypassing the brand name companies adding their logo (plus the added markup).
TikTok now getting flooded with videos from Chinese apparel factories showing that they make most popular American brands and sell them to the American garment industry for pennies on the dollar for what consumers pay.
Tons of comments investigating how to purchase clothes direct to consumer from Chinese factories, bypassing the brand name companies adding their logo (plus the added markup).
Posted by: Real Men of Genius at April 23, 2025 11:54 AM (i8qYm)
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Mine is there's never enough time to do it right, but there always seems to be time to do it over.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 23, 2025 11:53 AM (snZF9)
Mine always said "it's better to be lucky than good"....
Might explain how i turned out a bit
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 23, 2025 11:53 AM (snZF9)
Mine always said "it's better to be lucky than good"....
Might explain how i turned out a bit
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 23, 2025 11:55 AM (5EV+l)
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Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 11:45 AM (QnmlO)
Or just pass around a tray of saltines and tiny grape juice cups. Same thing,
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 11:50 AM (/dDa4)
I see you've been to the church I attended as a kid.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 11:45 AM (QnmlO)
Or just pass around a tray of saltines and tiny grape juice cups. Same thing,
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 11:50 AM (/dDa4)
I see you've been to the church I attended as a kid.
Posted by: BillyD at April 23, 2025 11:55 AM (Yt3ED)
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Part of the reason everything is cheaper in China is not just the slave labor -- it's that they're literally willing to poison the environment to save a few bucks to make shitty exports that will end up in a landfill anyways.
It's monumentally stupid. And wasteful.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:39 AM (uCjyK)
And American manufacturers who outsource are perfectly willing to allow slave labor and toxic pollution, while advocating rules to make it harder to make things here, so their gravy train won't end.
It's monumentally stupid. And wasteful.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:39 AM (uCjyK)
And American manufacturers who outsource are perfectly willing to allow slave labor and toxic pollution, while advocating rules to make it harder to make things here, so their gravy train won't end.
Posted by: night lifted at April 23, 2025 11:56 AM (FZn/N)
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Mine is there's never enough time to do it right, but there always seems to be time to do it over.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 23, 2025 11:53 AM (snZF9)
That's a great one.
In any event I blame Bob Ross and his 30 minute paintings.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at April 23, 2025 11:53 AM (snZF9)
That's a great one.
In any event I blame Bob Ross and his 30 minute paintings.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:56 AM (VofaG)
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202 If they want to look into the abomination that is today’s air travel, take a look at how United and others price seats. Almost every seat is now “premium” or some other made up formulation to charge more. There is no rhyme or reason to how it occurs. You can often be seated next to a regular price seat, just because.
Oh yeah and want to move through the line quicker? Pay me. Want to board sooner? Pay me. The mafia isn’t even this bad.
Posted by: Vengeance at April 23, 2025 11:54 AM (m+vrf)
The major airlines are trying to both be a premium product while also competing with the Allegiants of the world.
It's minorly annoying, I guess, but if you pay for the "premium seats" (or have status with the airline), it's not a big deal.
If you want to be cheap and get put in a middle seat in the back of the plane, you can do that too.
Options for everyone.
Oh yeah and want to move through the line quicker? Pay me. Want to board sooner? Pay me. The mafia isn’t even this bad.
Posted by: Vengeance at April 23, 2025 11:54 AM (m+vrf)
The major airlines are trying to both be a premium product while also competing with the Allegiants of the world.
It's minorly annoying, I guess, but if you pay for the "premium seats" (or have status with the airline), it's not a big deal.
If you want to be cheap and get put in a middle seat in the back of the plane, you can do that too.
Options for everyone.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:56 AM (uCjyK)
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Thailand has the prettiest women who aren't actually women.
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This is true. Pay attention to the hands and Adam's Apple. Pro Tip.
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This is true. Pay attention to the hands and Adam's Apple. Pro Tip.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 23, 2025 11:56 AM (pZ64F)
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Wasn't Jesus a dipper?
Posted by: toby928 at April 23, 2025 11:56 AM (jc0TO)
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"One upside of the recession that is likely coming is that it will disabuse a lot of people of the notion that they can have it both ways and that lunch is always free."
But the danger is that the Dems will be right there to tell them they can have it all the ways and all of this is avoidable. Just give them power back and they will give you everything.
And some retards will go for that.
But the danger is that the Dems will be right there to tell them they can have it all the ways and all of this is avoidable. Just give them power back and they will give you everything.
And some retards will go for that.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 23, 2025 11:57 AM (bss/y)
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Or just pass around a tray of saltines and tiny grape juice cups. Same thing.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 11:50 AM (/dDa4)
Our tradition holds that you must use Communables, tiny cups of juice with a wafer wrapped on the lid with cellophane.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 11:50 AM (/dDa4)
Our tradition holds that you must use Communables, tiny cups of juice with a wafer wrapped on the lid with cellophane.
Posted by: Real Men of Genius at April 23, 2025 11:57 AM (i8qYm)
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TikTok now getting flooded with videos from Chinese apparel factories showing that they make most popular American brands and sell them to the American garment industry for pennies on the dollar for what consumers pay.
Tons of comments investigating how to purchase clothes direct to consumer from Chinese factories, bypassing the brand name companies adding their logo (plus the added markup).
Posted by: Real Men of Genius at April 23, 2025 11:54 AM (i8qYm)
I don't know how that is shocking to anyone.
The margins on most clothes and/or fashionable things (purses, shoes, etc.) are absurd. Even including shipping them here from Asia.
Tons of comments investigating how to purchase clothes direct to consumer from Chinese factories, bypassing the brand name companies adding their logo (plus the added markup).
Posted by: Real Men of Genius at April 23, 2025 11:54 AM (i8qYm)
I don't know how that is shocking to anyone.
The margins on most clothes and/or fashionable things (purses, shoes, etc.) are absurd. Even including shipping them here from Asia.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:57 AM (uCjyK)
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Of course, if circumstances dictate that I attend a Novo Ordo Mass, I always receive on the tongue. This is considered shocking.
Of course, if circumstances dictate that I attend a Novo Ordo Mass, I always receive on the tongue. This is considered shocking.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 23, 2025 11:58 AM (QnmlO)
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I have an advanced Tactical Combat Stapler., just in case.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at April 23, 2025 11:40 AM
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With the thing that goes up?
Posted by: BillyD at April 23, 2025 11:41 AM
And a chainsaw bayonet?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at April 23, 2025 11:40 AM
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With the thing that goes up?
Posted by: BillyD at April 23, 2025 11:41 AM
And a chainsaw bayonet?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 23, 2025 11:58 AM (0sNs1)
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211 "One upside of the recession that is likely coming is that it will disabuse a lot of people of the notion that they can have it both ways and that lunch is always free."
But the danger is that the Dems will be right there to tell them they can have it all the ways and all of this is avoidable. Just give them power back and they will give you everything.
And some retards will go for that.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 23, 2025 11:57 AM (bss
Turkish Delight.
But the danger is that the Dems will be right there to tell them they can have it all the ways and all of this is avoidable. Just give them power back and they will give you everything.
And some retards will go for that.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 23, 2025 11:57 AM (bss
Turkish Delight.
Posted by: Eromero at April 23, 2025 11:58 AM (jgmnb)
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216 211 "One upside of the recession that is likely coming is that it will disabuse a lot of people of the notion that they can have it both ways and that lunch is always free."
But the danger is that the Dems will be right there to tell them they can have it all the ways and all of this is avoidable. Just give them power back and they will give you everything.
And some retards will go for that.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 23, 2025 11:57 AM (bss
Turkish Delight.
Posted by: Eromero at April 23, 2025 11:58 AM (jgmnb)
Jadis smiles…
But the danger is that the Dems will be right there to tell them they can have it all the ways and all of this is avoidable. Just give them power back and they will give you everything.
And some retards will go for that.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 23, 2025 11:57 AM (bss
Turkish Delight.
Posted by: Eromero at April 23, 2025 11:58 AM (jgmnb)
Jadis smiles…
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:59 AM (PCK5/)
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The airlines agree with your summary. People bitch and bitch about the dreadful "service" yet they almost always choose an airline based on cost.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:34 AM (s8j++)
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Delta Airlines is putting that theory to the test. I'm not flying them unless they are the only option.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 11:34 AM (s8j++)
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Delta Airlines is putting that theory to the test. I'm not flying them unless they are the only option.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 23, 2025 11:59 AM (GZYu7)
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In any event I blame Bob Ross and his 30 minute paintings.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:56 AM
So, a hardwood man?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 11:56 AM
So, a hardwood man?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 23, 2025 12:00 PM (0sNs1)
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Turkish Delight.
Posted by: Eromero at April 23, 2025 11:58 AM (jgmnb)
Or, the Ring, whispering to you of all that it can give you. Which was an allegory for Satan and Sin. I do not care if Tolkien hated allegory- he created a perfect one.
Posted by: Eromero at April 23, 2025 11:58 AM (jgmnb)
Or, the Ring, whispering to you of all that it can give you. Which was an allegory for Satan and Sin. I do not care if Tolkien hated allegory- he created a perfect one.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 23, 2025 12:00 PM (bss/y)
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What's a eucharist?
Posted by: Megachurch Pastor Jeff at April 23, 2025 12:00 PM (DcEjL)
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Dick Durbin is not running for reelection. Expect another extremely stupid Illinois Dem senator
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 23, 2025 11:48 AM (6TePA)
Adam Kinzinger… don’t laugh.
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:49 AM (PCK5/)
Nah, they had to elect Tammy Duckbill, an invalid, to the other seat. This time she'll be black and gay. And even more invalider.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 23, 2025 11:48 AM (6TePA)
Adam Kinzinger… don’t laugh.
Posted by: tubal at April 23, 2025 11:49 AM (PCK5/)
Nah, they had to elect Tammy Duckbill, an invalid, to the other seat. This time she'll be black and gay. And even more invalider.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2025 12:00 PM (dGCAG)
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What's Lori Loudfoot up to these days.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2025 12:01 PM (dGCAG)
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Wasn't Jesus a dipper?
Posted by: toby928 at April 23, 2025 11:56 AM (jc0TO)
He's a dunker, Jerry!
- Kramer
Posted by: toby928 at April 23, 2025 11:56 AM (jc0TO)
He's a dunker, Jerry!
- Kramer
Posted by: Doof at April 23, 2025 12:01 PM (vf0Y9)
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I’ve been on grape juice Communion since January 1.
Posted by: Eromero at April 23, 2025 12:01 PM (jgmnb)
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Delta Airlines is putting that theory to the test. I'm not flying them unless they are the only option.
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The worst part of Delta is Atlanta Airport.
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The worst part of Delta is Atlanta Airport.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 23, 2025 12:01 PM (pZ64F)
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I think if we start cementing these trade deals with the countries that allegedly have come looking for an agreement I think we will have an economic boom .
Though the longer this takes the more difficult it will be to get the momentum required to get the ball rolling with the rest of the world.
Though the longer this takes the more difficult it will be to get the momentum required to get the ball rolling with the rest of the world.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 12:02 PM (VofaG)
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[i[What's a eucharist?
Posted by: Megachurch Pastor Jeff at April 23, 2025 12:00 PM (DcEjL)
Herman Newticks? I've never heard of him, maybe if I saw him I might recognize him.
Posted by: Megachurch Pastor Jeff at April 23, 2025 12:00 PM (DcEjL)
Herman Newticks? I've never heard of him, maybe if I saw him I might recognize him.
Posted by: Pastor Paula White, WhiteHouse Office of Faith at April 23, 2025 12:02 PM (i8qYm)
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What's Lori Loudfoot up to? About 280.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 23, 2025 12:02 PM (yp8Vj)
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Dick Durbin is not running for reelection. Expect another extremely stupid Illinois Dem senator
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 23, 2025 11:48 AM (6TePA)
Is there any other kind?
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 23, 2025 11:48 AM (6TePA)
Is there any other kind?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 23, 2025 12:02 PM (FCbAQ)
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Wasn't Jesus a dipper?
Posted by: toby928 at April 23, 2025 11:56 AM (jc0TO)
He's a dunker, Jerry!
- Kramer
Posted by: Doof at April 23, 2025 12:01 PM (vf0Y9)
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"But did he double-dip?!?!?!"
- George
Posted by: toby928 at April 23, 2025 11:56 AM (jc0TO)
He's a dunker, Jerry!
- Kramer
Posted by: Doof at April 23, 2025 12:01 PM (vf0Y9)
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"But did he double-dip?!?!?!"
- George
Posted by: ShainS --Waking Up Early is White Supremacy at April 23, 2025 12:03 PM (sAaGN)
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Aaaaaaand Trump back down again.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 12:03 PM (DKKgv)
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>> It's minorly annoying, I guess, but if you pay for the "premium seats" (or have status with the airline), it's not a big deal.
The problem is, it’s a fundamentally infuriating, degrading mess that makes everything more complicated than it needs to be while feeling like the airline sees you as a money-filled piñata and they’re just whacking away to see what falls out.
I always fly first class, but even that’s become a nuisance. I have TSA Precheck. They used to be a hack to get through security faster. Now half the people have it and they make me take off my belt and shoes and take my laptop out of my bag. The new hot thing is Clear.
Or boarding: despite being Group 1 in first class, there are dozens of people ahead of me. Like, damn, I think the able-bodied veterans can wait their damn turn. See:
youtube.com/watch?v=qhxlZC8BZJ4
The problem is, it’s a fundamentally infuriating, degrading mess that makes everything more complicated than it needs to be while feeling like the airline sees you as a money-filled piñata and they’re just whacking away to see what falls out.
I always fly first class, but even that’s become a nuisance. I have TSA Precheck. They used to be a hack to get through security faster. Now half the people have it and they make me take off my belt and shoes and take my laptop out of my bag. The new hot thing is Clear.
Or boarding: despite being Group 1 in first class, there are dozens of people ahead of me. Like, damn, I think the able-bodied veterans can wait their damn turn. See:
youtube.com/watch?v=qhxlZC8BZJ4
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 12:03 PM (/dDa4)
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Manufacturers really don't want the stuff they make to last very long. They want us to keep buying the stuff they make and people are not going to buy stuff they don't need. So the manufacturers make stuff with a shelf life. It will only last as long as they want it to. A good example is the light bulb. They WANT it go out so you have to keep buying them.
Posted by: Case at April 23, 2025 12:05 PM (OrSPY)
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229 What's Lori Loudfoot up to? About 280.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 23, 2025 12:02 PM (yp8Vj)
Hah! You're being kind.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 23, 2025 12:02 PM (yp8Vj)
Hah! You're being kind.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2025 12:05 PM (dGCAG)
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‘Yeah, it turns out the primary purpose of USAID was to subsidize the economy of the Washington DC metro area.’
I wonder if could read (inevitably massive) database of govt. disbursements and figure out where the other ‘USAIDs’ are.
‘Yeah, it turns out the primary purpose of USAID was to subsidize the economy of the Washington DC metro area.’
I wonder if could read (inevitably massive) database of govt. disbursements and figure out where the other ‘USAIDs’ are.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 23, 2025 12:06 PM (jbnUc)
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What's a eucharist?
Posted by: Megachurch Pastor Jeff at April 23, 2025 12:00 PM (DcEjL)
Herman Newticks? I've never heard of him, maybe if I saw him I might recognize him.
Posted by: Pastor Paula White, WhiteHouse Office of Faith at April 23, 2025 12:02 PM (i8qYm)
Beautiful.
Posted by: Megachurch Pastor Jeff at April 23, 2025 12:00 PM (DcEjL)
Herman Newticks? I've never heard of him, maybe if I saw him I might recognize him.
Posted by: Pastor Paula White, WhiteHouse Office of Faith at April 23, 2025 12:02 PM (i8qYm)
Beautiful.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 23, 2025 12:07 PM (/dDa4)
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A good example is the light bulb. They WANT it go out so you have to keep buying them.
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Refrigerators are the most annoying. They build a beautiful cabinet and then sabotage it with a shitty compressor that can't be accessed for replacement/repair.
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Refrigerators are the most annoying. They build a beautiful cabinet and then sabotage it with a shitty compressor that can't be accessed for replacement/repair.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 23, 2025 12:07 PM (pZ64F)
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I think the able-bodied veterans can wait their damn turn. See:
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director
They did, it was their turn.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director
They did, it was their turn.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 23, 2025 12:07 PM (BMgMK)
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I wonder if could read (inevitably massive) database of govt. disbursements and figure out where the other ‘USAIDs’ are.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 23, 2025 12:06
USAID was big in the destabilization tourism industry as well.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 23, 2025 12:06
USAID was big in the destabilization tourism industry as well.
Posted by: Travel Agent at April 23, 2025 12:08 PM (i8qYm)
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228 What's a eucharist?
Posted by: Megachurch Pastor Jeff
The actual, literal blood and flesh of our savior, according to the condescending Catholic Priest driving former members out of the cathedral who don't buy it.
Posted by: Megachurch Pastor Jeff
The actual, literal blood and flesh of our savior, according to the condescending Catholic Priest driving former members out of the cathedral who don't buy it.
Posted by: Auspex at April 23, 2025 12:08 PM (j4U/Z)
Posted by: illiniwek at April 23, 2025 12:08 PM (Cus5s)
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That Mayor Tiffany Hedyard is available to run for Senate. She'd make Crockett seem sane
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 23, 2025 12:08 PM (6TePA)
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or lend them out.
Posted by: illiniwek
BIL misted his tools with paint so when he saw one elsewhere, he could reclaim it.
Posted by: illiniwek
BIL misted his tools with paint so when he saw one elsewhere, he could reclaim it.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 23, 2025 12:10 PM (BMgMK)
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I remember several churches that when we did communion there was no closing payer just pastor asking us to sing as we exited the church:
Blest be the tie that binds
our hearts in Christian love;
the fellowship of kindred minds
is like to that above.
Blest be the tie that binds
our hearts in Christian love;
the fellowship of kindred minds
is like to that above.
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 23, 2025 12:10 PM (gbOdA)
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at April 23, 2025 12:12 PM (5hfjS)
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The weird thing about the argument over transubstantiation is that Jesus didn't turn the cup or bread into actual flesh or actual blood at the Last Supper, though He could have.
Posted by: Men and their Religious Fights at April 23, 2025 12:13 PM (i8qYm)
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The weird thing about the argument over transubstantiation is that Jesus didn't turn the cup or bread into actual flesh or actual blood at the Last Supper, though He could have.
Posted by: Men and their Religious Fights at April 23, 2025 12:13 PM
'This is my body.' doesn't count?
Posted by: Men and their Religious Fights at April 23, 2025 12:13 PM
'This is my body.' doesn't count?
Posted by: toby928 at April 23, 2025 12:14 PM (jc0TO)
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Everyone puts their filthy hands on it. It's sorta like the designated hitter rule. Everyone else had one. The National League did not. But now it's like "sure, we'll let any fat slob come up to bat."
Nah, bro. You told me it was sacred, then you dropped it as soon as you decided it gets you more butts in the seats not to.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2025 11:52 AM (dGCAG)
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I greatly doubt the Lord minds being handled on its way to my mouth. Catholic here, and if you want to get in line to be served by the priest while you kneel and have it placed in your mouth, more power to you. To suggest however it is profane to do it any other way is a big stretch. If its put in my hands its not like I am dancing down the aisle spinning it in my palm.
Nah, bro. You told me it was sacred, then you dropped it as soon as you decided it gets you more butts in the seats not to.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 23, 2025 11:52 AM (dGCAG)
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I greatly doubt the Lord minds being handled on its way to my mouth. Catholic here, and if you want to get in line to be served by the priest while you kneel and have it placed in your mouth, more power to you. To suggest however it is profane to do it any other way is a big stretch. If its put in my hands its not like I am dancing down the aisle spinning it in my palm.
Posted by: Black JEM at April 23, 2025 12:14 PM (GZYu7)
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actual flesh or actual blood at the Last Supper, though He could have.
Posted by: Men and their Religious Fights at April 23, 2025 12:13 PM (i8qYm)
The word "actual" is doing a lot of towing outside its weight class in that statement.
Posted by: Men and their Religious Fights at April 23, 2025 12:13 PM (i8qYm)
The word "actual" is doing a lot of towing outside its weight class in that statement.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 23, 2025 12:14 PM (1GNm3)
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This isn't gonna affect the supply of $6 sun dresses, is it?
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 11:03 AM (77rzZ)
You'll get $12 sun dresses, but they will be half off.
Posted by: Bulg at April 23, 2025 11:03 AM (77rzZ)
You'll get $12 sun dresses, but they will be half off.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2025 12:15 PM (8zz6B)
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The weird thing about the argument over transubstantiation is that Jesus didn't turn the cup or bread into actual flesh or actual blood at the Last Supper, though He could have.
Posted by: Men and their Religious Fights at April 23, 2025 12:13 PM
Yep, he said, take this in remembrance of me. The bread and wine were symbolic of that. I never got the argument it was actually you know, his flesh and blood.
Posted by: Men and their Religious Fights at April 23, 2025 12:13 PM
Yep, he said, take this in remembrance of me. The bread and wine were symbolic of that. I never got the argument it was actually you know, his flesh and blood.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 12:15 PM (4p0Xq)
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There is definitely a noticeable "enshittification" and loss of competency going on around the world.
That "Puritan work effort" and "taking pride in your work" stuff that people scoffed at? Yeah, that probably had a lot to do with why we went from a third world backwater to the leading world economy in 100 years.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:52 AM (uCjyK)
Partially true. Really, we had exceptional men who hired exceptional engineers who harnessed all they could out of the industrial revolution. Engineers who dumbed down the manufacturing processes so even a moron could do a few tasks correctly without affecting quality.
The average guy made out pretty good with that system.
That, and being a country unaffected by two world wars that decimated others' populations and destroyed their economic bases.
That "Puritan work effort" and "taking pride in your work" stuff that people scoffed at? Yeah, that probably had a lot to do with why we went from a third world backwater to the leading world economy in 100 years.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:52 AM (uCjyK)
Partially true. Really, we had exceptional men who hired exceptional engineers who harnessed all they could out of the industrial revolution. Engineers who dumbed down the manufacturing processes so even a moron could do a few tasks correctly without affecting quality.
The average guy made out pretty good with that system.
That, and being a country unaffected by two world wars that decimated others' populations and destroyed their economic bases.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 23, 2025 12:15 PM (FCbAQ)
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New one: Klaus Schwab
Posted by: Archimedes at April 23, 2025 12:16 PM (s8j++)
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I think transubstantiation is a fascinating concept. It certainly causes one to *pause* before taking communion when one considers what IF this act isn't "merely symbolic" but something mystically divine...
Posted by: Crusader at April 23, 2025 12:16 PM (TN0g+)
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Aaaaaaand Trump back down again.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 12:03 PM (DKKgv)
What part of negotiations don't you understand? Did you think the tariffs would be permanent or that Trump had no intention of having trade talks with China or that China hasn't also given concessions to start the talks?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 12:03 PM (DKKgv)
What part of negotiations don't you understand? Did you think the tariffs would be permanent or that Trump had no intention of having trade talks with China or that China hasn't also given concessions to start the talks?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 23, 2025 12:16 PM (VofaG)
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You'll get $12 sun dresses, but they will be half off.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2025 12:15 PM (8zz6B)
Well that's just an expensive tank top then.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2025 12:15 PM (8zz6B)
Well that's just an expensive tank top then.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 23, 2025 12:16 PM (1GNm3)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 23, 2025 12:16 PM (FCbAQ)
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The word "actual" is doing a lot of towing outside its weight class in that statement.
Fair point.
I guess I meant 'literal'.
Fair point.
I guess I meant 'literal'.
Posted by: Men and their Religious Fights at April 23, 2025 12:16 PM (i8qYm)
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I don't know the solution, really, but it's not an ideal situation to be in.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:52 AM (uCjyK)
It is low time preference in purchasing and investing that is driven by inflation and financialization.
Inflation because nothing holds its value so you got to get something made or bought now while the money has value, and financialization makes borrowing money and then buying things "for free" a good deal with low interests rates - which also drive inflation.
hard money reverses the trend for both. Actually having some way of saving money so it doesn't lose its value is another way to reverse that trend
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 23, 2025 11:52 AM (uCjyK)
It is low time preference in purchasing and investing that is driven by inflation and financialization.
Inflation because nothing holds its value so you got to get something made or bought now while the money has value, and financialization makes borrowing money and then buying things "for free" a good deal with low interests rates - which also drive inflation.
hard money reverses the trend for both. Actually having some way of saving money so it doesn't lose its value is another way to reverse that trend
Posted by: Kindltot at April 23, 2025 12:16 PM (D7oie)
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Yep, he said, take this in remembrance of me. The bread and wine were symbolic of that. I never got the argument it was actually you know, his flesh and blood.
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His words used the verb "is" rather than "represents...".
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His words used the verb "is" rather than "represents...".
Posted by: Crusader at April 23, 2025 12:17 PM (TN0g+)
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That Mayor Tiffany Hedyard is available to run for Senate. She'd make Crockett seem sane
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 23, 2025 12:08 PM
Imagine the expense account just from her nails alone.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 23, 2025 12:08 PM
Imagine the expense account just from her nails alone.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 23, 2025 12:17 PM (4p0Xq)
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Nood. Health questions.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 23, 2025 12:17 PM (tT6L1)
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"'This is my body.' doesn't count?"
imo that just demonstrated that it was symbolic. Do this "in remembrance of me".
imo that just demonstrated that it was symbolic. Do this "in remembrance of me".
Posted by: illiniwek at April 23, 2025 12:17 PM (Cus5s)
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Nood. Klaus Schwab is out.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Plucky Comic Relief, AoS Ladies Brigade - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at April 23, 2025 12:17 PM (SRRAx)
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Blest be the tie that binds
our hearts in Christian love;
the fellowship of kindred minds
is like to that above.
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 23, 2025 12:10 PM (gbOdA)
Brings back fond memories.
our hearts in Christian love;
the fellowship of kindred minds
is like to that above.
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 23, 2025 12:10 PM (gbOdA)
Brings back fond memories.
Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump! at April 23, 2025 12:18 PM (ZNSbE)
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At best, these people want to have their cake and eat it, too. They want no industry but to live in the affordable comfort that industry provides. They want their dream of decarbonization" without any costs.
- Joe Mannix
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Sounds suspiciously like Richard Dawkins who was recently quoted as saying he likes living in a Christian Society, it's just those pesky Christians and their God he doesn't like.
- Joe Mannix
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Sounds suspiciously like Richard Dawkins who was recently quoted as saying he likes living in a Christian Society, it's just those pesky Christians and their God he doesn't like.
Posted by: Darth Randall at April 23, 2025 12:20 PM (f1kZG)
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Fair point.
I guess I meant 'literal'.
Posted by: Men and their Religious Fights at April 23, 2025 12:16 PM (i8qYm)
It sort of digs in to the center of the thing to consider the difference, and that in some way it might be that all the physical things and stuff that we consider literal or actual has a certain amount of Subtance-ey-ness missing from it to begin with.
I guess I meant 'literal'.
Posted by: Men and their Religious Fights at April 23, 2025 12:16 PM (i8qYm)
It sort of digs in to the center of the thing to consider the difference, and that in some way it might be that all the physical things and stuff that we consider literal or actual has a certain amount of Subtance-ey-ness missing from it to begin with.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 23, 2025 12:20 PM (1GNm3)
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Or, the Ring, whispering to you of all that it can give you. Which was an allegory for Satan and Sin. I do not care if Tolkien hated allegory- he created a perfect one.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 23, 2025 12:00 PM (bss/y)
I hate those doorbells.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 23, 2025 12:00 PM (bss/y)
I hate those doorbells.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 23, 2025 12:20 PM (D7oie)
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'This is my body.' doesn't count?
Posted by: toby928 at April 23, 2025 12:14 PM (jc0TO)
Metaphors are a thing. Even back then metaphors were a thing.
Judah: not actually a lion's cub.
Jesus: not actually a grape vine.
Christians: not actually salt.
God: not actually a rock.
And so on.
'This is my body.' doesn't count?
Posted by: toby928 at April 23, 2025 12:14 PM (jc0TO)
Metaphors are a thing. Even back then metaphors were a thing.
Judah: not actually a lion's cub.
Jesus: not actually a grape vine.
Christians: not actually salt.
God: not actually a rock.
And so on.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 23, 2025 12:20 PM (W5ArC)
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Sure low wages and taxes are a part of companies moving off shore but it is regulations that are the big culprit to the USA being competitive.
I did a few automation jobs in the early 2000s for a growing and vibrant textile industry here in cali. But then the EPA and CARB came in and said they textile mills had to retool to meet new regulations for pollution and air quality. The cali textile industry was willing to do that but governments said the time table had to be quicker. So quick it was near impossible to do and not anywhere near cost effective. So overnight the cali textile industry moved. With that, the garment manufacturing moved to for supply line reasons. And of course the ancillary service industries shrank or went out of business.
All due to bureaucrats that had never worked in the industry nor knew anything about the minor pollution that was going on at the time.
I did a few automation jobs in the early 2000s for a growing and vibrant textile industry here in cali. But then the EPA and CARB came in and said they textile mills had to retool to meet new regulations for pollution and air quality. The cali textile industry was willing to do that but governments said the time table had to be quicker. So quick it was near impossible to do and not anywhere near cost effective. So overnight the cali textile industry moved. With that, the garment manufacturing moved to for supply line reasons. And of course the ancillary service industries shrank or went out of business.
All due to bureaucrats that had never worked in the industry nor knew anything about the minor pollution that was going on at the time.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at April 23, 2025 12:21 PM (17s+e)
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All I can say is that smarter people than me have been pondering the Eucharist for a couple of thousand years and they are still arguing about it.
At least we aren't still burning each other over it.
At least we aren't still burning each other over it.
Posted by: toby928 at April 23, 2025 12:23 PM (jc0TO)
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I will point out that only a short three decades ago, most products bought and sold in the USA were made in the USA. We seemed to fair just fine, thank you, and be a much happier place then.
IMHO, any reduction in goods obtained from Temu, wish.com, etc., is a net positive for the USA, as most that stuff is complete crap anyway.
IMHO, any reduction in goods obtained from Temu, wish.com, etc., is a net positive for the USA, as most that stuff is complete crap anyway.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at April 23, 2025 12:23 PM (7aURE)
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Thank you, Hadrian. As a non-Catholic, I had never known the rationale behind Catholic practices.
Posted by: Barkingmad59, wandering lurkette at April 23, 2025 12:31 PM (N0w+M)
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If a flight on Spirit is $12 cheaper than Delta Business the majority of people will choose Spirit, lol. And then go on Twitter to complain how awful spirit is.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM (DKKgv)
OTOH, Spirit won't have two fat lesbians on the flight deck.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 23, 2025 11:38 AM (DKKgv)
OTOH, Spirit won't have two fat lesbians on the flight deck.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 23, 2025 12:39 PM (8zz6B)
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a recession is 2 two down quarters of GDP ... we haven't even had 1 down month of GDP ... good lord ...
Posted by: The Dark Lord at April 23, 2025 02:48 PM (DBAaD)
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Tariffs have the UN/CFR/Globalists pulling their hair out
Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at April 23, 2025 04:41 PM (wGqjj)
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