Gun Thread: Pre-Tax Day Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving Hell did it get to be mid-April? Is Spring in full-bloom-springiness where you are? Do pollen allergies keep you from going to the range?

Also, I suppose this is as good a time as any to get my taxes wrapped up. How about you, all done? Getting a refund? Buy ammo!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals

Pop Quiz: Who can name the four main fundamentals of marksmanship we refer to here? Do you treat safety as a fundamental, or are safe gun handling practices a given? Should there be five? I kind of think so.

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NoVaMoMe 2025!

The official date is Saturday, June 21st, so mark that on your calendars. We will again have a sign-up process but have decided to forgo the pre-paid buffet in favor of just having people order for themselves from the casual cafe-style menu. We'll have more exciting news and specifics to share soon!

As I mentioned last week, bluebell and I sincerely hope you can join the festivities. We promise you this event is as laid back and non-anxiety inducing as humanly possible, and nothing makes us happier than to meet new people who have been reluctant to join in the past. If sitting on the sidelines and just observing is your thing, you can do just that with zero pressure from anyone and we will have strategically located potted plants for you to hide behind. I hope some of the past NoVAMoMe participants will jump in and share their thoughts on the event to inspire the scairdy-cat lurkers out there to throw caution to the wind and come meet your pals!

Actual updates to coming soon. I promise!

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Police Trade-Ins!
These have been carried a lot and typically fired little. Great shooters (for practicing your fundamentals).

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The Many Miracles of John Moses Browning (PBUH)

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Would Make a Great Gift!
If you guys are looking for something to get me for my birthday, one of these would be nice!

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Our Pal the 2 Liter Soda Bottle

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Highway Patrol!
Explosives! Yikes!

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The Angry Red Planet!

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Cigar of the Week

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This week our pal rhomboid scores again with this excellent review of the Flor de las Antillas

Flor de las Antillas refers to Cuba, the "flower of the Antilles", childhood home to Don Pepin Garcia, the "father" in My Father cigars. The company released this line in 2012, and the next year it won cigar of the year honors in the ratings of Cigar Aficionado magazine. I tried the belicoso size (5.5 X 52). It is softly box pressed, has a nice light brown color, and a bit of a rustic look overall. At light up there is some pepper, which doesn't last, but the other notes for me - faint baking spices, slightly sweet wood, maybe hints of toast - are consistent the rest of the way. Draw was perfect. Experts rate it medium-full in strength, for me it was towards the medium side. A very enjoyable and classic profile, a Nicaraguan puro with Cuban-seed tobacco from the Garcia's own farms. Available online for $7 and up..

Excellent, rhomboid! Thank you!

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Ammo Link-O-Rama
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
American Elite Ammo NEW!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at April 13, 2025 07:00 PM (ypFCm)

2 first.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 13, 2025 07:01 PM (e5NfL)

3 I just want to bang on this blog all day!

Posted by: Eromero at April 13, 2025 07:01 PM (LHPAg)

4 And no I have not been to the range in some time. Life has been getting in the way of my range trips.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 13, 2025 07:01 PM (e5NfL)

5 Year Mr Scott me too. Keep thinking can sneak in here or there and just doesn't happen

Posted by: Skip at April 13, 2025 07:04 PM (ypFCm)

6 What is this word “refund”, Weasel?

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:07 PM (eefky)

7 Been a while since I've seen a Corsair in the air. Big airshows like Miramar have seen a decline in warbird participation going back several years. And haven't been to the Chino show in ages, where the best warbird selection was typical. They once had 5 P-38s "escorting" 4 B-25s - PA narrator for that segment, an ETO P-38 vet, said it looked like a strike package from the war and that he couldn't believe he was seeing something like that again.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 07:08 PM (1m82a)

8 No range report this week. Doing some reloading.

Pro Tip: If you put your brass in the tumbler, turn it on, then completely forget about it for17 hours, the brass comes out really sparkly clean and shiny.

And the tumbler motor may not even burn out!

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 13, 2025 07:08 PM (Hdixl)

9 Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special tax deadline-eve-eve greeting to our host Weasel!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 13, 2025 07:09 PM (v23vE)

10 What is this word “refund”, Weasel?
Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:07 PM (eefky)
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When one reaches that point Uncle Sam realizes it's no longer worth the effort to confiscate what little one has.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 13, 2025 07:09 PM (tT6L1)

11 Good afternoon, Weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 13, 2025 07:09 PM (tT6L1)

12 Yay! Gubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 13, 2025 07:10 PM (Wnv9h)

13 The nearly empty ammo cans reproach me, the reloading bench (set up and ready for 45ACP operations) snickers at me. The boomsticks in their secure storage glare at me when I open the door, wondering when they'll get to the range. Sad!

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 07:11 PM (1m82a)

14 We were at the gun range last week after a too long hiatus when the holidays were going on. I already own a .380 and 9mm, and love shooting those, but have always been a little too intimidated with Mr. Black's .357 Magnum. Well doggonit if I didn't shoot it last week for the first time! I patted myself on the back, considering my fear of what looks like something that would overpower my 100lb frame. But I liked it! It didn't seem to have that much more of a recoil that my 9mm. Yes, I'm proud of myself!

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 13, 2025 07:13 PM (qBdHI)

15 Hello, Weasel! I went to the Chantilly show this weekend and picked up a couple of new guns. First was the H&K MR 556A4 pistol. This is the first pistol variant of the MR 556 series. I'm in the process of SBR-ing this. The second is one of the new H&K CC9 micro-9 pistols. This is H&K's first entry into the micro-9 market. It comes with full ambi controls, an optics cut, a takedown lever so you don't have to pull the trigger to disassemble it, 1913 rails on the dust cover, a trigger safety and firing pin safety, and two magazines, one with 10 rounds for minimum size, and one with 12 for a full size grip. Downsides are the price ($700: it's a H&K), and all of the controls and slide are rather stiff to operate right out of the box. But the ergonomics seem good, and the trigger is good. It'll be interesting to see how it fares against the SIG P365 series.

Posted by: Ed L at April 13, 2025 07:14 PM (AiJK3)

16 The S&W police revolver trade-in video is torture. If not for CA's idiotic handgun "roster" law, I'd surely have many more in my holdings. Several online vendors would get batches of them in periodically (J&G, AIM, et al), but I couldn't buy. My S&W Model 66 fortunately was available via private sale. Guy said he had been a Top Gun instructor. Left-handed, he had very $$ custom left-handed bolts he'd used for big game hunting in Africa also up for sale.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 07:15 PM (1m82a)

17 Master the S&W revolver double action trigger.

Posted by: Deplorable Minion at April 13, 2025 07:15 PM (QSrLX)

18 And no I have not been to the range in some time. Life has been getting in the way of my range trips.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS)

You and me both.

Still in the box -
Springfield XD-M Elite 4.5" OSP 10mm.
Ships with (x2) magazines.
Plus the extra (x4) Sprinfield mags I ordered at the same time.

That's 6 x 16... carry the three... almost 2 boxes for loadout.
If you can conceil it.... Better start looking for a holster that goes with shorts, T, and rubber slippers.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 13, 2025 07:15 PM (/lPRQ)

19 Howdy!

We aren’t big and flashy like TX or headlined in the Gun Thread like NoVa, But we are having our usual MoMe in Yakima on May 10.

It’s a pot luck and a book trade and a croquet tournament.

Link in left sidebar.

Love my PNW peeps.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 13, 2025 07:16 PM (mT+6a)

20 And the tumbler motor may not even burn out!
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 13, 2025 07:08 PM (Hdixl)

SOB, I have done that. Yes, very shiny. Yes, I’m on my third tumbler.
Pro tip: buy an industrial strength one at Harbor Freight.

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:16 PM (eefky)

21 I think I'd like to just roll around in Ed L's gun collection sometime, before I actually handled each item. Sort of like the cartoon tycoons rolling around in $$$.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 07:17 PM (1m82a)

22 Mmmm...Corsair. The big ass Guillows model was the first model that 5 yr old me helped the RMBS Dad build back in the day. I still have the plane and the original box and stuff. One of these days I'll repair it and get it back into display shape.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 13, 2025 07:18 PM (Wnv9h)

23 Behold! I sneer not at the fad, but savor its embrace by the young. Because I embraced fads in the past after warnings of my elders.

Posted by: Deplorable Minion at April 13, 2025 07:19 PM (QSrLX)

24 Red does Chy-nah Freight sell brass tumblers? Or something similar enough that suits the purpose?

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 07:19 PM (1m82a)

25 Good evening fellow enthusiasts
Had my cataract surgery last Thursday and now have 20/20 vision in my dominant shooting eye. I can't wait to get to the range! Left eye is midrange and took some adjusting but I can now read my phone and IPad. Phew. Was worried thee for a bit.
The bad news is that I still don't have a date for hip surgery so Texas starting to look iffy.
But today I'm 💃.

Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 13, 2025 07:21 PM (t/2Uw)

26 My M66 has a very nice double action trigger. "Trigger job" was just lots of use. Of course the single action is very nice, feather-light. It's lonely in the safe, though. Used to shoot it in the 1st Saturday match every month, that match is no longer revolver-friendly (it was ICORE-compliant back then). Used to be easy to reload for, too - nice light recoil rounds using Trail Boss, and 125g lead.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 07:22 PM (1m82a)

27 F4U Corsair - aka the "Ensign Eliminator" because the long nose in front of the cockpit obscured visibility during carrier landings. Because of this, the USN promptly passed much of the early production run to the USMC, who were glad to get USN castoffs that weren't total garbage. It was the RN who finally showed the USN the Corsairs could be used for large scale carrier operations.

Posted by: Ed L at April 13, 2025 07:22 PM (AiJK3)

28 "The Angry Red Planet" scared the heck out of me as a tot. Still has one of the greatest monsters ever, the rat-bat-spider.

The comedy relief is just terrible, though.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 13, 2025 07:23 PM (CHHv1)

29 The bad news is that I still don't have a date for hip surgery so Texas starting to look iffy.

Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 13, 2025 07:21 PM (t/2Uw)
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We could probably knock that out for you at the ranch.

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 07:23 PM (VgEdR)

30 Rhomboid, yes, one is almost exactly the size of my RMBS tumbler. But only cost $79.00!
It has instructions for all sorts of industrial cleaning, and does really well at brass.
Another Pro Tip: ensure that the top is screwed down all the way. Otherwise, you may get walnut media cleaning dust over your entire work bench and surrounding area.
Theoretically, of course.

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:23 PM (eefky)

31 New engineerguy video! Woohoo!

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 13, 2025 07:24 PM (l3YAf)

32 Sharon, I had a hip replacement about 10 years ago. They had me out of bed the same day. After a week, I left the rehab place and was mobile. I spent a month at pt and was fine.
You’ll do great.

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:26 PM (eefky)

33 I think I'd like to just roll around in Ed L's gun collection sometime, before I actually handled each item. Sort of like the cartoon tycoons rolling around in $$$.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 07:17 PM (1m82a)

The hard part is putting everything back in the safe after getting out what you want. Word to the wise: get the biggest safe you can fit and that your floor can support. It'll always fill up faster than you think it will.

Posted by: Ed L at April 13, 2025 07:27 PM (AiJK3)

34 one is almost exactly the size of my RMBS tumbler. But only cost $79.00!

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:23 PM

Wait...whut?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 13, 2025 07:27 PM (Wnv9h)

35 Range report:

Took the Colt Mark IV GI .380 out and did one hand shooting.

My, she’s a fine pistol. Heavy, so very little snap, and tiny, noticeably smaller than the G42. Very accurate and I’m getting used to the sloped sights.

Great gun. And it’s a 1911 platform! Even better!

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 13, 2025 07:27 PM (mT+6a)

36 We could probably knock that out for you at the ranch.
Posted by: Weasel

Can I scrub in?

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 13, 2025 07:29 PM (mT+6a)

37 When one reaches that point Uncle Sam realizes it's no longer worth the effort to confiscate what little one has.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 13, 2025 07:09 PM (tT6L1)

Blake, I get whacked every year since I refuse to let them deduct taxes out of social security. I’m waiting for the Orange Man to get rid of that.

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:29 PM (eefky)

38 Another Pro Tip: ensure that the top is screwed down all the way. Otherwise, you may get walnut media cleaning dust over your entire work bench and surrounding area.
Theoretically, of course.
Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:23 PM (eefky)

Also, if you don't screw the wingnut down tight, it makes an interesting ta-pockata ta-pockata noise before it flings the walnut media all over the place.
Theoretically.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 13, 2025 07:30 PM (Hdixl)

39 Red, thanks for the info. My (?) brand tumbler, bought used years ago (like almost my entire set-up) still seems to be soldiering along. Walnut shell lizard litter, mineral spirits, NuShine car wax - viola, great clean brass (I guess corncob makes it brighter, but walnut shell's cheap and cleans pretty well). My tumber tells you if the top nut is not screwed down tight enough, via the sound it makes.

Oh - and used dryer sheets, they do a nice job suppressing dust and absorbing carbon and ickiness elements.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 07:30 PM (1m82a)

40 Can I scrub in?
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 13, 2025 07:29 PM (mT+
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Sure! I'm thinking right after the ranges shut down on Friday.

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 07:30 PM (VgEdR)

41 Have a Harbor Freight tumbler, works fine

Posted by: Skip at April 13, 2025 07:31 PM (ypFCm)

42 34 one is almost exactly the size of my RMBS tumbler. But only cost $79.00!

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:23 PM

Wait...whut?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 13, 2025 07:27 PM (Wnv9h)

RMBS, RCBS. 220, 221, whichever works.

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:31 PM (eefky)

43 Evenin'

OT: Rory McElroy won The Masters and completed the Grand Slam. I've always have been meh towards McElroy but good for him. Hell of an achievement.

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at April 13, 2025 07:32 PM (sAmhv)

44 Yep, hip replacement is normally out-patient now, at least same-day, no overnight. And many are reasonably mobile (with limits, and a cane) very quickly.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 07:33 PM (1m82a)

45 I thought it was going to be any/June but now they are saying Aug/Sept. it will be outpatient and should be quick but still 6 weeks at least. E tough getting around the ranges in Texas with a cane. Good thing I am okay getting around. What do people do who really can't walk?

Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 13, 2025 07:33 PM (t/2Uw)

46 Good evening to the MoronHorde and I hope that your coming week is great. Thanks as always, Weasel for a great evening!

Posted by: Coelacanth at April 13, 2025 07:34 PM (P9pDS)

47 Weasel, I'm looking at putting an Aimpoint CompM4S red dot on my HK MR 556A4 after it becomes an SBR. Any thoughts about that choice?

Posted by: Ed L at April 13, 2025 07:34 PM (AiJK3)

48 Oh - and used dryer sheets, they do a nice job suppressing dust and absorbing carbon and ickiness elements.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 07:30 PM (1m82a)

I’d forgotten about that trick. Thanks for reminding me.
And yes, SOB, tapocketa is exactly the sound it would theoretically make..
Mrs. Red asked me what was going on down in my lab.

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:35 PM (eefky)

49 Posted by: Ed L at April 13, 2025 07:34 PM (AiJK3)
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Not really that familiar with Aimpoint products. Good luck!

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 07:36 PM (VgEdR)

50 I think Glock is now putting Aimpoint sights on some models so they are completely integrated.

Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 13, 2025 07:37 PM (t/2Uw)

51 If Mars is angry, that means the Women of Mars are angry.

And that means they have 50% more capacity in their mammiform magazines to unleash said anger.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 07:38 PM (0sNs1)

52 RMBS, RCBS. 220, 221, whichever works.
Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:31 PM

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 13, 2025 07:39 PM (Wnv9h)

53 4/15 needs to be a day they sell old or semi-fresh PEEPS.

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 13, 2025 07:39 PM (gbOdA)

54 Left-handed, he had very $$ custom left-handed bolts he'd used for big game hunting in Africa also up for sale.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 07:15 PM

Sounds sinister.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 07:39 PM (0sNs1)

55 Weasel, when is the next Organic Tree Farm/Tax Dodge trip?
We need more videos . . .

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:40 PM (eefky)

56 Weasel, anything burning tonight? I'd be burning an Espinosa 601 Blue maduro (highly recommended), but it's cool-ish and windy outside and I'm sick of not being able to just relax/enjoy the stick without distractions. The universe's tiniest violin plays for "weather" issues in this location, but even now, after a cool-ish (for us) "winter", temps drop after 2PM and with a breeze it gets non-perfect. My cigar buddy in TX has had better outdoor burning conditions than I have for most of the past 3 months.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 07:42 PM (1m82a)

57 48 Oh - and used dryer sheets, they do a nice job suppressing dust and absorbing carbon and ickiness elements.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 07:30 PM (1m82a)

I’d forgotten about that trick. Thanks for reminding me.
And yes, SOB, tapocketa is exactly the sound it would theoretically make..
Mrs. Red asked me what was going on down in my lab.
Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:35 PM (eefky)

Drove from NOLA to Marietta GA in brand new White Ram. I killed about 3 billion love bugs.
Running water, handful of bounce sheets TA fucking DA.
Then WD39 for real bad spots.

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 13, 2025 07:42 PM (gbOdA)

58 Rhomboid,
Excellent review! You beat me to it. Now I'll save mine for the golf course where I won't have to take notes. :-)

Posted by: Diogenes at April 13, 2025 07:42 PM (W/lyH)

59 Can I scrub in?
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 13, 2025 07:29 PM (mT+
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Sure! I'm thinking right after the ranges shut down on Friday.
Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 07:30 PM

Ben Had will be providing the Kitchen Table, correct?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 07:42 PM (0sNs1)

60
Blake, I get whacked every year since I refuse to let them deduct taxes out of social security. I’m waiting for the Orange Man to get rid of that.
Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:29 PM (eefky)
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You and me both on the SS taxes. Irksome, those taxes are.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 13, 2025 07:43 PM (tT6L1)

61 Pro Tip: If you put your brass in the tumbler, turn it on, then completely forget about it for17 hours, the brass comes out really sparkly clean and shiny.

And the tumbler motor may not even burn out!
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 13, 2025 07:08 PM (Hdixl)

This is why I built an outlet box with a timer. Metal 2 gang receptacle box, 15 amp windup "bathroom fan" timer, standard household receptacle, and a cut up heavy duty extension cord. Plug cord into wall, plug tumbler into box, set timer, go do something else.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at April 13, 2025 07:43 PM (SnC8S)

62 FYI, for the MR556A4 and MR762A4, H&K includes a guarantee that the guns will shoot 1 MOA. They have lifetime warranty for that level of accuracy. If the accuracy slips to 2 MOA, H&K will replace the barrel for free. That said, how many people out there will shoot enough rounds through an MR556A4 to wear out the barrel?

Posted by: Ed L at April 13, 2025 07:44 PM (AiJK3)

63 Word to the wise: get the biggest safe you can fit and that your floor can support. It'll always fill up faster than you think it will.

Truth.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 13, 2025 07:44 PM (a4flb)

64 How many hot irons will be needed for Sharon's table special surgical intervention?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 13, 2025 07:45 PM (tT6L1)

65 63 Word to the wise: get the biggest safe you can fit and that your floor can support. It'll always fill up faster than you think it will.

Truth.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 13, 2025 07:44 PM (a4flb)

Indeed

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 13, 2025 07:46 PM (QfvaV)

66 Running water, handful of bounce sheets TA fucking DA.
Then WD39 for real bad spots.
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 13, 2025 07:42 PM (gbOdA)

I do use them at the range in black fly season. Scuba Dude was amazed that they worked. But then complained about the ticks. At least these up here are not Lyme-carrying. But they are gross.

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:46 PM (eefky)

67 Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea!

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 13, 2025 07:46 PM (QfvaV)

68 Diogenes I got one of those clips that holds a cigar - you can attach it to many things, for the course I figure I'll attach it to the bag or hand-cart. So far I've only used it at the range (shooting kind), where it attaches nicely to the firing line bench. This is for after-hours steels play, and it's nice to puff as I reload mags. Haven't hit the little white ball for quite a while, but expect to get back out there. Priority is getting back on the ice first.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 07:46 PM (1m82a)

69 Been struggling with the tax return for the last.few years but this year I finally got onto the plus side. So with my money back in my pocket, I put up a new fence!!! Oh. And also grabbed a few boxes of 308.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 13, 2025 07:47 PM (W/lyH)

70 Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 07:36 PM (VgEdR)

Weasel, the 9 Hole Reviews guys shot a 16" barreled MR 556A4 with 77 grain ammo and got hits at 800 yards out. Last time I checked, that's well beyond "normal" 5.56mm range. Granted, the conditions were pretty ideal (good weather, almost no wind). But that's still an impressive combination of good shooters with a very capable rifle nonetheless.

Posted by: Ed L at April 13, 2025 07:47 PM (AiJK3)

71 Major blow to my gunshow budget - I updated my W4 on my company's website and it got it wrong and withheld less than I thought and now we owe money and that is not awesome.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 13, 2025 07:47 PM (QfvaV)

72 Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 07:42 PM (1m82a)
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Just finished one of my standby Factory Smokes.

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 07:52 PM (VgEdR)

73 Duncanthrax's Rule for Purchasing a Gub Safe:

1) Buy a safe that will hold at least 2x the number of gubs you have.

2) Buy another safe that is at least as big as the one in Part 1

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 07:52 PM (0sNs1)

74 Range Report!
I went to the upper range last week. With my drone.
I finally realized that the drone tells me how far away it is. Like, if I fly out to targets and write down the info.
I used up 3 batteries on the drone. Then I brought out the AR 10. Which is quickly becoming one of my favorite rifles.

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:52 PM (eefky)

75 Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 13, 2025 07:47 PM (QfvaV)

Paying on April 15 is always a downer.

Posted by: Ed L at April 13, 2025 07:52 PM (AiJK3)

76 Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:40 PM (eefky)
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As soon as I get a decent stretch of days I'm headed down!

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 07:53 PM (VgEdR)

77 Priority is getting back on the ice first.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 07:46 PM (1m82a)

You know. My birthday is coming up and everyone keeps asking what I want. A cigar holder is perfect!!! Thanxs for the idea!!!
And good luck on the ice. My SNL played for years.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 13, 2025 07:53 PM (W/lyH)

78 Hey guys. I'm right here. 😳

Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 13, 2025 07:53 PM (t/2Uw)

79 >>I thought it was going to be any/June but now they are saying Aug/Sept. it will be outpatient and should be quick but still 6 weeks at least. E tough getting around the ranges in Texas with a cane. Good thing I am okay getting around. What do people do who really can't walk?

My mom has had both hips replaced. The time between the two was about 20 years. After the first one they had her in bed for a couple of days and then very slow therapy. After the second they had her up and walking a few hours after the surgery and she was walking without a cane in a couple of weeks.

It's pretty amazing how far things have come with that kind of surgery.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 13, 2025 07:53 PM (LkLld)

80 Hey guys. I'm right here. 😳
Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 13, 2025 07:53 PM

Didja all hear sumpin'?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 07:54 PM (0sNs1)

81 EdL I recently heard some "revisionist" push-back on the Corsair/USN carrier acceptance. Guy who knew one of the first USN Corsair pilots said he had little trouble - now this guy was the "hot stick" in the entire USN at the time, so there's that.

As you said, USMC was thrilled to have anything. I had always thought that the RN used an abbreviated "standard approach" (obviously not standard for carriers), a 3-sided box, plane would proceed up alongside the flight deck in the opposite direction, LSOs would signal speed/altitude adjustments *then*, pilot would execute sharp left turn, then plop down on the deck.

I also thought that USN acceptance came after the problems with the landing gear (bouncing - modified oleos) and forward visibility (raised the pilot's seat) had been solved.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 07:55 PM (1m82a)

82 Didja all hear sumpin'?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 07:54 PM (0sNs1)
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Sounded like enthusiastic agreement to me!

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 07:55 PM (VgEdR)

83 This is why I built an outlet box with a timer. Metal 2 gang receptacle box, 15 amp windup "bathroom fan" timer, standard household receptacle, and a cut up heavy duty extension cord. Plug cord into wall, plug tumbler into box, set timer, go do something else.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at April 13, 2025 07:43 PM (SnC8S)

Spudboy, where's the adventure in that? But then, I guess the likelihood of electrocuting myself would be an adventure. . .

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 13, 2025 07:56 PM (Hdixl)

84 Gub!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 13, 2025 07:56 PM (mH6SG)

85 Weasel, I got the AR 10 out to 900! Self-spotting was better this week, but I sure could have used some Weasel Windage calls.

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:56 PM (eefky)

86 So, range report. I headed out with some ammo I'd loaded because I wanted to check zero and get some chronograph readings. Now, I knew things were a bit hot, but, the chronograph readings I got were ridiculous.

Top reading was 2990 fps on a 174 grain 308 cal ELD VT round. I checked the brass, though, I didn't keep, as it's aging out, but, primers looked good, weren't ridiculously flattened, etc. I was surprised, nay, shocked, at the numbers. Even more ridiculous, the ES was only 25.

I did some further looking into what kind of velocities some people are getting out of a modern 30.06 cartridge and determined, even though the load was ridiculously hot, not out of line from what other shooters have experienced.

I checked some stuff I had loaded in Lapua brass, better ES of 13 and not nearly as hot a round. So, the Norma stuff will be retired sooner rather than later and will be gone entirely once the new barrel arrives. I've held off on using the Lapua simply because I hate to waste it on a barrel that's as far gone as the one on the 06. Still though, rifle remains relatively accurate.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 13, 2025 07:57 PM (tT6L1)

87 Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:56 PM (eefky)
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Practice that about a zillion times and you'll amaze yourself!

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 07:57 PM (VgEdR)

88 Thanks for the cigar review, rhomboid. I was introduced to the My Father line about 5 years ago and I've never had a disappointing one.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at April 13, 2025 07:59 PM (4xrzS)

89 First time in forever memory I owed no one. Yet that means they got my money lone free. Seems to me better to owe something than they owe me.

Posted by: Skip at April 13, 2025 07:59 PM (ypFCm)

90 Hi, Horde.
Thanks, Weasel.
Been a longish day, a loooong week.
Night, y'all. I will return to read later.

Posted by: GWB at April 13, 2025 07:59 PM (5NgA6)

91 Diogenes, the clip I have is like this design (https://tinyurl.com/22w7skxu), but I notice when just looking now that there a dizzying variety of options (surprise!). Lots of magnetic ones now. I find the physical clamp style more versatile, as no ferrous metal mounting spot needed, of course.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 08:02 PM (1m82a)

92 Buy a safe that will hold at least 2x the number of gubs you have.

And don't believe the number on the door sticker. It was achieved by laying the safe on its back and stacking guns it in it like cordwood.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 13, 2025 08:02 PM (/y8xj)

93 Sharon, I’m 5 years (roughly) into a replacement of my right hip. 4 years into the knees and yes they were done at the same time. The hip was quite straight forward - had it done on a Tuesday, Thursday did thanksgiving dishes for 9 and drove to work Monday. I had the older posterior approach. Now I’d go anterior. There’s some pain but compared to the pain of a bad hip…

Posted by: Coelacanth at April 13, 2025 08:03 PM (NqGS/)

94 Weasel, I got the AR 10 out to 900! Self-spotting was better this week, but I sure could have used some Weasel Windage calls.
Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 07:56 PM

I think we're stuck without Weasel Windage come June. We'll have to work on it.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 13, 2025 08:03 PM (Wnv9h)

95 RI Red, congratulations on getting the AR out to 900! That's more than a decent shot.

Excellent!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 13, 2025 08:04 PM (tT6L1)

96 Frasier Crane, you're more than welcome, and your thanks redirected to Weasel, for creating this lifestyle thread.

I have several more to try, but so far my My Father faves are Vegas Cubanas, and The Judge (both reviewed here in the past). Along with today's stick of course, which is very nice, and I think was the company's first big headliner hit.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 08:04 PM (1m82a)

97 One thing to remember when dealing with spent primers and the dust/tumbling residue if you are using a dry tumbler. Lead styphnate from the used primers and cases gets into the tumbling media and can get in the air to be inhaled.

Don't tumble indoors as if you use lead detection strips, you will find the crap gets everywhere even if it looks clean. DLead is a cleaning solvent you can use on occasion to clean both the reloading press and around where you have tumbling residue. Also consider wearing an organic respirator when separating the tumbling media from the brass as that is often the way to inhale lead styphnate particles. Mineral spirits plus Nu Car wax cuts down somewhat on it but not all of it.

I had a high lead reading once upon a time nearly two decades ago--I was shooting lead on indoor ranges, ventilation on those ranges was not as good as ranges today plus lubes are less smokey nowadays. But, I also checked using lead residue test strips around my tumbler and press and found lead contamination. Did not tumble in the house but it was on a covered porch that I used. The press gets dirty when resizing so make sure to clean it properly now and again.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 08:05 PM (ctrM5)

98 Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 07:55 PM (1m82a)

Experienced pilots could handle the Corsair's quirks. But there were a lot more rookie pilots graduating flight school than experienced veterans in the USN's ranks in 1942-43. The Hellcat was a much more forgiving aircraft than the Corsair (but with slightly less performance). So it made sense for the USN to standardize its mid-war carrier fighter squadrons around the Hellcat vice the Corsair.

Your description of the RN's landing approach for its Corsair's is correct, as are your descriptions of the modifications made to later Corsair models that flew from USN fleet carriers in 1944-45.

Posted by: Ed L at April 13, 2025 08:05 PM (AiJK3)

99

Naura Hayden was in The Angry Red Planet.
She made it hotter.

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Naura_Hayden

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 13, 2025 08:06 PM (63Dwl)

100 EdL, excellent point, re the USN's cohort of pilots coming in when the F-4U was being introduced. The old guard was mostly training the new one. Though some did return to combat as squadron skippers.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 08:08 PM (1m82a)

101 Have a great evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at April 13, 2025 08:10 PM (ypFCm)

102 RI Red, congratulations on getting the AR out to 900! That's more than a decent shot.

Excellent!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 13, 2025 08:04 PM (tT6L1

Blake, I’m embarrassed at the number or rounds it took. But at least these elevation was right for all of them. I was in the vicinity the whole time, but the wind was big and variable. Weasel’s right- a zillion more times and I’ll have it.

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 08:11 PM (eefky)

103 It is anterior, 6 in incision, no cutting of muscle or tendons. They say I am best shape and it should be quick but at least a couple,of weeks of intensive PT and telling me I can't drive for 6 weeks. It is just pissing me off that this started in Jan and I was anticipating May/June.
On the other hand, I am anticipating outshooting all of you with my new improved eye sight soI will attempt to do everything possible to be at the Rifle range in October.

Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 13, 2025 08:12 PM (t/2Uw)

104 Evening all.
Was gifted a Walther P22Q & a S&W 380.

The .380 became the wife's truck gun & the .22 is the newest zero turn mower gun.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 13, 2025 08:12 PM (8JE3Q)

105 I tumble outside, alongside the garage, where a steady westerly (ocean) breeze typically is blowing. Also put a large carboard box over the tumbler while it's running. Also use the dryer sheet, mineral spirit, and NuFinish additive "package". When pouring out the tumbler I do it slowly - with the ambient air ventilation as noted.

Had my lead levels checked a few years back for the heck of it, "normal". I think whig that the indoor lead shooting was probably the big factor in your lead levels. I tended to shy away from that combo until old range closed/new one opened, with excellent, almost annoyingly strong, ventilation away from the firing line.

Avoid eating during reloading tasks, always wash up thoroughly when leaving the bench.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 08:12 PM (1m82a)

106 I think we're stuck without Weasel Windage come June. We'll have to work on it.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 13, 2025 08:03 PM (Wnv9h)

I guess we’re going to have to finally learn it on our own. But having more than one set of eyeballs will make it a lot easier.

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 08:13 PM (eefky)

107 Round the time of covid, due to worsening auto immune issues, I switched to wet tumbling with stainless steel pins as the residue is no longer in the air but in liquid which is easier to decontaminate.

The steel pins also do a good job cleaning primer pockets. Some folks use a home made formula but I simply use the Frankfurt Arsenal detergent bags (like Tide Pods) as it is easier for me to handle with arthritic hands. I have also used ultrasound cleaner for rifle brass as I shot much less of bigger bore rifles back when I was shooting them.

308 and 223 were wet tumbled with steel pins. Both liquid tumbling methods leave the brass super shiny but can leave water spots if you dry the brass in the sun so I use a case dryer.

You will need to lube ever so slightly on handgun cases when reloading as the super clean brass can gall a bit against the reloading die. A slight bit of imperial sizing wax on about one out every ten cartridges helps with that. Basically a slightly greasy finger swirl on the case. Not enough to need to clean the brass again but it lubes the die sufficiently to prevent galling/sticking of the brass to the die.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 08:14 PM (ctrM5)

108 I guess we’re going to have to finally learn it on our own. But having more than one set of eyeballs will make it a lot easier.
Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 08:13 PM

*fistbump*

Booked and ready to shoot.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 13, 2025 08:15 PM (Wnv9h)

109 Blake, I’m embarrassed at the number or rounds it took. But at least these elevation was right for all of them. I was in the vicinity the whole time, but the wind was big and variable. Weasel’s right- a zillion more times and I’ll have it.
Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 08:11 PM (eefky)

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The ability to put down suppressive fire at a distance is never a bad thing!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 13, 2025 08:15 PM (tT6L1)

110 Had my lead levels checked a few years back for the heck of it, "normal". I think whig that the indoor lead shooting was probably the big factor in your lead levels. I tended to shy away from that combo until old range closed/new one opened, with excellent, almost annoyingly strong, ventilation away from the firing line.

Avoid eating during reloading tasks, always wash up thoroughly when leaving the bench.
Posted by: rhomboid
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It was probably the indoor range but then again, I shot a LOT of lead ammo back in the day and reloading a LOT of ammo to do so. Not at the level of serious competitors but probably about 1000-1500 rounds per month or so.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 08:16 PM (ctrM5)

111 whig I've learned to over-dose a bit with the NuFinish, as I think it leaves a very faint coating on the brass that facilitates everything after that. Of course I use the dab of Imperial Wax on tapered/bottleneck calibers like 9mm, 30 carbine, and 30-06 as you suggest. I think this one small tin of wax will outlast my entire reloading career.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 08:17 PM (1m82a)

112 is anterior, 6 in incision, no cutting of muscle or tendons. They say I am best shape and it should be quick but at least a couple,of weeks of intensive PT and telling me I can't drive for 6 weeks. It is just pissing me off that this started in Jan and I was anticipating May/June.
On the other hand, I am anticipating outshooting all of you with my new improved eye sight soI will attempt to do everything possible to be at the Rifle range in October.
Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 13, 2025 08:12 PM (t/2Uw)

Sharon, that’s what I had done! We’ll have to compare incision scars.
Seriously, the tech nowadays is fantastic.

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 08:17 PM (eefky)

113 Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 08:08 PM (1m82a)

I have copies of the two "First Team" voiumes about USN carrier fighter operations in the first decisive year of the war in the Pacific. The author includes in the appendix a by name roster of every USN fighter pilot who flew in the carrier vs. carrier battles of 1942. This roster includes the squadron(s) they flew with and their fate (KIA, WIA, survived). All things considered, the survival rate for USN fighter pilots was pretty good. By comparison, their IJN counterparts suffered terribly. It wasn't unusual for as many as 85=90% of IJN graduates of fighter training to die in WWII, with the survival rate decreasing for each successive wartime class.

Posted by: Ed L at April 13, 2025 08:17 PM (AiJK3)

114 Major blow to my gunshow budget - I updated my W4 on my company's website and it got it wrong and withheld less than I thought and now we owe money and that is not awesome.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 13, 2025 07:47 PM

We forgot to adjust the withholding stuff the year our son turned 18 which was the same year we retired from the Navy. That next April's tax return check we had to write was brutal.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 13, 2025 08:18 PM (e5NfL)

115 HK MR 556A4 Optics vary depending on purpose. But I’ve seen a lot of EOTECH EXPS, often with a g33 magnifier. It’s also not unusual to see T-2’s on a KAC mount. Comp4 is also a good sight. Just haven’t seen a lot of that.YMMV.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 13, 2025 08:20 PM (+nyA/)

116 Anyone else use white paper plates for targets? I can get a 300 pack for $6 at Winco. They're very bright at 100 yds or more and they're cheap. None of these pricey and somewhat ghey splat targets for me. Nosiree.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 13, 2025 08:20 PM (/U5Yz)

117 It wasn't unusual for as many as 85=90% of IJN graduates of fighter training to die in WWII, with the survival rate decreasing for each successive wartime class.
Posted by: Ed L at April 13, 2025 08:17 PM (AiJK3)
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From what I've read, though, it seems like the IJN lost their experienced pilots in combat rather than rotating them home to teach the youngsters. I also believe the IJN basically, toward the end, were getting their young pilots barely proficient enough to take off and land before sending them off to fight.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 13, 2025 08:20 PM (tT6L1)

118 Thanks, Weasel, for another excellent Gun Thread!

I suppose at some point there has been a Gun Thread about malfunctions. I went to the indoor range Saturday, because sun is hot, and had a series of failures to feed on one of the pistols I brought, a 1911 that has functioned perfectly before this. Weird FTFs -- the gun went into battery, but it had not fed the round, which was still sitting in the magazine. Only after I fired 2-6 rounds, not when I first hit the slide release and fired. Four different magazines of two different brands. Two different ammo brands (S&B and PMC, both 124 grain 9mm) showed the problem. Fortunately, I had brought a second pistol.

Any theories? I'm provisionally going with "it had sat in the safe too long and I should have lubed it before going to the range," but I'm none too confident.

Posted by: Splunge at April 13, 2025 08:21 PM (ju/6W)

119 Oh, and when reloading, if you are a range brass rat, you will come across items like no lead primer brass. So, you will see 45 ACP brass using a small pistol primer (the no lead primers, used to be available from Fiocchi) but the ammo is designed for police range ammo to reduce lead levels at those ranges.

Make sure to separate those out before trying to prime them.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 08:21 PM (ctrM5)

120 Sharon, I had a hip replacement about 10 years ago. They had me out of bed the same day. After a week, I left the rehab place and was mobile. I spent a month at pt and was fine.
You’ll do great.
Posted by: RI Red

My hip replacement was about 10 years ago too. Didn't go to rehab. Just in home rehab and then PT for a month or so. All went smoothly and I wish I'd done it sooner. I put it off too long.

Posted by: Tuna at April 13, 2025 08:22 PM (lJ0H4)

121 116 Anyone else use white paper plates for targets? I can get a 300 pack for $6 at Winco. They're very bright at 100 yds or more and they're cheap. None of these pricey and somewhat ghey splat targets for me. Nosiree.
Posted by: Maj. Healey
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They work fine if on outdoor ranges. Some indoor ranges do not like or allow them though. FWIW, you can get splat stickers to use your paper or cardboard targets again and again to get more mileage out of it.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 08:23 PM (ctrM5)

122 EdL, have the same books! Lots of factors combined to shorten IJN pilot lives of course. Far less survivable platforms (fuel tanks), nothing like the USN's search/rescue ops, and later the resource-intensive "lifeguard" ops (subs along flight routes or near particular heavily defended targets). And of course the vicious cycle of the less-experienced IJN pilots being fed into battle against far better trained USN pilots flying increasingly superior aircraft.

Deceased friend who was a USMC aviation vet of the Solomons campaign knew Jefferson DeBlanc, MOH recipient who was famously traded for a sack of rice by island natives. The generally pronounced pro-Allied tilt of the islanders also helped in several of the island campaigns. Seems the Japanese failed to make friends, or something.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 08:23 PM (1m82a)

123 Any theories? I'm provisionally going with "it had sat in the safe too long and I should have lubed it before going to the range," but I'm none too confident.
Posted by: Splunge at April 13, 2025 08:21 PM (ju/6W)
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Weak magazine spring or hung up follower, perhaps? If it's not stripping the round from the magazine yet continuing into battery I'm thinking magazine issue.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 13, 2025 08:24 PM (tT6L1)

124
My hip replacement was about 10 years ago too. Didn't go to rehab. Just in home rehab and then PT for a month or so. All went smoothly and I wish I'd done it sooner. I put it off too long.
Posted by: Tuna at April 13, 2025 08:22 PM (lJ0H4)

Roger that. I did a full knee replacement, then the opposite side hip from walking wrong for fifty years. The difference was night and day. But I’m glad I waited for the tech.

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 08:25 PM (eefky)

125 Anyone else use white paper plates for targets? I can get a 300 pack for $6 at Winco. They're very bright at 100 yds or more and they're cheap. None of these pricey and somewhat ghey splat targets for me. Nosiree.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 13, 2025 08:20 PM

An 8" paper plate is an excellent representation of the 'vital zone' on a deer. Find the distance you can keep all your shots on the plate, and that should be the maximum range when you're hunting.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 08:25 PM (0sNs1)

126 Any theories? I'm provisionally going with "it had sat in the safe too long and I should have lubed it before going to the range," but I'm none too confident.
Posted by: Splunge

How long, oil runs off and disappears soon enough depending on the oil in question but often six months or so is enough to do it. Longer if grease is used on appropriate firearms. I always lube up and function check along with a visual and chamber inspection of pistols/rifles before going to the range as it is easier to fix loose screws, missing pins, etc. at home where I have my parts cache and tools than at the range.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 08:27 PM (ctrM5)

127 I love you people.
I will start pestering the schedulers. There is no way I will let this get in the way of getting Texas hugs.

Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 13, 2025 08:27 PM (t/2Uw)

128 blake, correct, another factor. It all amounted to an increasingly vicious cycle of decline for IJN aviation. Even by the end, when better aircraft were being fielded on their side, the personnel disadvantage was overwhelming.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 08:27 PM (1m82a)

129 Sharon, what was your motivation to see about pushing to get the surgery done? Ben Had's table or the hot irons?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 13, 2025 08:29 PM (tT6L1)

130 The wild male turkeys are coming out strutting and singing their song:

They come runnin' just as fast as they can,
'cause every hen crazy 'bout a well-displayed gobbler!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 08:29 PM (0sNs1)

131 These trouble-shooting efforts here always remind me of CarTalk where the guys would try to diagnose a problem by having the caller imitate the noises their care were making.

My two kopecks - different mags/ammo, same result, probably indeed the pistol, and indeed probably the cycling action, and, finally, indeed likely a lubrication problem.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 08:30 PM (1m82a)

132 I love you people.
I will start pestering the schedulers. There is no way I will let this get in the way of getting Texas hugs.
Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice)

Yep. Tell the scheduler that you want it done ASAP. You won't regret it.

Posted by: Tuna at April 13, 2025 08:30 PM (lJ0H4)

133 Oh, the other thing regarding lube on pistols or rifles. Anytime you have two different metals rubbing against each other, you can get galling where the surfaces appear resist sliding a bit more. So lube it before you use it. This is especially important if you have something like an aluminum frame pistol with a steel slide. I have picked up one such pistol relatively cheap because the frame's slide rails were damaged by lack of lubrication.

It can also happen if you run the AR15 or similar dry with a steel bolt and carrier sliding back and forth at high speed in an aluminum upper receiver. Lube it.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 08:31 PM (ctrM5)

134 If it turns, oil it, if it slides, grease it - still a motto I follow. Possibly not a well-founded motto, but it works if you are vigilant and just keep stuff lubricated.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 08:32 PM (1m82a)

135 73 Duncanthrax's Rule for Purchasing a Gub Safe:

1) Buy a safe that will hold at least 2x the number of gubs you have.

2) Buy another safe that is at least as big as the one in Part 1
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 07:52 PM (0sNs1)What if you started out with a BigBoy from the gitgo?

Posted by: Eromero at April 13, 2025 08:32 PM (LHPAg)

136 How long, oil runs off and disappears soon enough depending on the oil in question but often six months or so is enough to do it. Longer if grease is used on appropriate firearms. I always lube up and function check along with a visual and chamber inspection of pistols/rifles before going to the range as it is easier to fix loose screws, missing pins, etc. at home where I have my parts cache and tools than at the range.
Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 08:27 PM (ctrM5)

Whig, I am always amazed when I take my trunk gun (SW FPC 9 mm) out andshoot it. I can tell how long it’s been sitting there by the sound of the action. Yup, grease is better.

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 08:33 PM (eefky)

137 From what I've read, though, it seems like the IJN lost their experienced pilots in combat rather than rotating them home to teach the youngsters. I also believe the IJN basically, toward the end, were getting their young pilots barely proficient enough to take off and land before sending them off to fight.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 13, 2025 08:20 PM (tT6L1)

That's true. But the IJN aggravated its plight by repeatedly throwing its carrier squadrons at US forces in vain attempts to stop US advances in the Solomons and New Guinea. The IJN carrier squadrons kept getting decimated by US fighters and ever improving AAA covering US assaults. At the start of the Guadalcanal campaign the average IJN fighter pilot had 600-800 hours of flight time compared to his USN counterpart with 200-300 flight hours. By the time of the Battle of the Philippine Sea in June 1944, the typical IJN fighter pilot had only 100-250 flight hours compared to 500-600 for USN fighter pilots. There's a reason why that battle was called the "Great Marianas Turkey Shoot."

Posted by: Ed L at April 13, 2025 08:34 PM (AiJK3)

138 Main motivation is seeing if I can hit a target at 500 yds on the rifle range. There is no way I would let any of you near me with a hot iron.

Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 13, 2025 08:35 PM (t/2Uw)

139 111 whig I've learned to over-dose a bit with the NuFinish, as I think it leaves a very faint coating on the brass that facilitates everything after that. Of course I use the dab of Imperial Wax on tapered/bottleneck calibers like 9mm, 30 carbine, and 30-06 as you suggest. I think this one small tin of wax will outlast my entire reloading career.
Posted by: rhomboid
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Exactly true on the Nu Car finish. I have some brass that I cleaned nearly two decades ago by tumbling with that that still has a soft shine to it. When you wet tumble though or use ultrasound, it cleans it far beyond the level of dry tumbling but removes any and all waxes, carbon, etc. that eases resizing operations on brass. The brass galls against the die causing some issues that way so best to lube that as I mentioned if you wet tumble. There are other ways but I find that easy and cheap.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 08:35 PM (ctrM5)

140 That's true. But the IJN aggravated its plight by repeatedly throwing its carrier squadrons at US forces in vain attempts to stop US advances in the Solomons and New Guinea. The IJN carrier squadrons kept getting decimated by US fighters and ever improving AAA covering US assaults. At the start of the Guadalcanal campaign the average IJN fighter pilot had 600-800 hours of flight time compared to his USN counterpart with 200-300 flight hours. By the time of the Battle of the Philippine Sea in June 1944, the typical IJN fighter pilot had only 100-250 flight hours compared to 500-600 for USN fighter pilots. There's a reason why that battle was called the "Great Marianas Turkey Shoot."
Posted by: Ed L at April 13, 2025 08:34 PM (AiJK3)
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I just remembered this: I believe the Thach Weave was also a difference maker.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 13, 2025 08:36 PM (tT6L1)

141 What if you started out with a BigBoy from the gitgo?
Posted by: Eromero at April 13, 2025 08:32 PM

It shows you were paying close attention in class the day that purchasing a gub safe was discussed.

Now, why are you slacking in purchasing the second safe, and, more importantly, filling it, in order to graduate from the "good start" categorization?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 08:36 PM (0sNs1)

142 Make sure to separate those out before trying to prime them.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 08:21 PM (ctrM5)

Word. I spent the better part of an afternoon trying to remove a small pocket cartridge case with a large pistol primer sticking out of it from the primer tool shell holder.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 13, 2025 08:36 PM (Hdixl)

143 NuFinish. Just added it to my shopping list.
Learned something new on the Gun Thread.
Amazing.

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 08:37 PM (eefky)

144 Main motivation is seeing if I can hit a target at 500 yds on the rifle range. There is no way I would let any of you near me with a hot iron.
Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 13, 2025 08:35 PM (t/2Uw)

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Note to self: Hot irons bother Sharon far more than the thought of a surgical procedure on Ben Had's table.

Look forward to seeing you in Oct, young lady!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 13, 2025 08:38 PM (tT6L1)

145 I just remembered this: I believe the Thach Weave was also a difference maker.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 13, 2025 08:36 PM

IIRC, the Thatch Weave was developed to compensate for the deficiencies in the F4F Wildcat vs. the Zero.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 08:40 PM (0sNs1)

146 There is no way I would let any of you near me with a hot iron.
Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 13, 2025 08:35 PM (t/2Uw)

The whole point of slapping hot iron to it is self-application.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 13, 2025 08:40 PM (QfvaV)

147 Posted by: rhomboid at April 13, 2025 08:23 PM (1m82a)

It's crazy to me that the Japanese never thought of conserving their experienced pilots until the B-29s starting bombing Japan. It's probably a consequence of the "all for the attack" mindset pervading the Japanese military throughout the war.

Posted by: Ed L at April 13, 2025 08:41 PM (AiJK3)

148 Blake, I expect we will be able to discuss Galbraith's newest as it will be out in September. I look forward to it. 📖❤️

Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 13, 2025 08:42 PM (t/2Uw)

149 Whig, I am always amazed when I take my trunk gun (SW FPC 9 mm) out andshoot it. I can tell how long it’s been sitting there by the sound of the action. Yup, grease is better.
Posted by: RI Red

Even grease on old bolt actions dissipates somewhere else over time. I try to lube and work the actions at least once per year on them because of it.

For pistols, Brian Eno makes some lube grease and so do a few others. Not all pistols like it but run hard competition pistols can often do a bit better with the right lube.

For revolver folks, NO LUBE except with a needle applicator on just a couple of points once in awhile. One of the most common problems in an used revolver is you have to remove all the hardened old oil welded together with crud from the innards of a revolver. Tough to remove but the simply solution is don't overoil your revolver.

Ultrasound can help clean such a varmint but then you have to carefully relube it and ultrasound is not good for all pistol finishes.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 08:42 PM (ctrM5)

150 Lest we forget, the Hordian Hot Iron protocol HAS saved lives, not the least reason it has been retained in the HordeSource (tm) canon.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 08:43 PM (0sNs1)

151 141 What if you started out with a BigBoy from the gitgo?
Posted by: Eromero at April 13, 2025 08:32 PM

It shows you were paying close attention in class the day that purchasing a gub safe was discussed.

Now, why are you slacking in purchasing the second safe, and, more importantly, filling it, in order to graduate from the "good start" categorization?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 08:36 PM (0sNs1)
Did I say I had not purchased a second safe? Neigh!

Posted by: Eromero at April 13, 2025 08:44 PM (LHPAg)

152 Well, time to wander. Thanks again, Weasel!

Sharon, I look forward to the book discussion.

Later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 13, 2025 08:45 PM (tT6L1)

153 71 Major blow to my gunshow budget - I updated my W4 on my company's website and it got it wrong and withheld less than I thought and now we owe money and that is not awesome.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 13, 2025 07:47 PM (QfvaV)

Minor (maybe not so minor) corporate gripe ...

When I enroll for benefits, every choice I make shows me what its effect on my take-home pay each period. Yet when I update my W-4, I have to take my best guess and hope it works out.

Why can't some clever ~~bastard~~ payroll company produce an app that will show me exactly what effect each of the changes on my W-4 will have on my paycheck and my estimated tax bill?

Also, I friggin' hate taxes.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 13, 2025 08:45 PM (v23vE)

154 Welp...have to punch out for the night.

Thanks for a great Gub Thread, Weasel.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 13, 2025 08:46 PM (Wnv9h)

155 I just remembered this: I believe the Thach Weave was also a difference maker.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 13, 2025 08:36 PM (tT6L1)

Note that Thach and his wingman (Butch O'Hare) developed the weave completely outside USN doctrine and USN channels. It wasn't until after Thach used the weave at Midway did the USN make the Thach Weave part of its doctrine. Interestingly, Midway would be the last time Thach flew a combat mission as a fighter pilot. For the rest of the war, he was either rewriting USN training manual and fighter doctrine, or developing fighter tactics as a fleet staff officer to stop the kamikaze menace.

Posted by: Ed L at April 13, 2025 08:47 PM (AiJK3)

156 Word. I spent the better part of an afternoon trying to remove a small pocket cartridge case with a large pistol primer sticking out of it from the primer tool shell holder.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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I came across the small pistol 45 ACP mebbe about 2009-10 with a Speer head imprint which is generally their police range ammo series.

Made sure to segregate it primarily for the burning times but have mebbe 500-1000 cases of that brass in case large pistol primers were not.
available.

Fiocchi does have spotty availability between panics of so called clean primers for reloaders. They have slightly more brisance aka hotter than standard primers so dial back loads to starting loads before working up.

Fortunately, I tried regular small pistol primers in some just to figure out if they work ok and they fit fine in the case and don't change loading details much at all for range use.

With primers today, really 45 ACP only needs a small pistol primer for the case but the endless stash of large pistol primer cases dooms any move to change that.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 08:48 PM (ctrM5)

157 Weasel, The John Moses Browning video was really good, thanks if you're here.

Posted by: Eromero at April 13, 2025 08:50 PM (LHPAg)

158 I'm out too.
Thanks for all th good advice and support. Means a lot.
Next range date not til the 27th which be the first test without prescription glasses. Safety glasses of course.Get to find out if I can shoot without a patch.
Thanks Weasel . 🤠❤️

Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 13, 2025 08:50 PM (t/2Uw)

159 I may have successfully turned Daughter #3 into a new shooter!

She just got a text from her range that said this Wednesday is "Ladies Day", where ladies shoot free. She is excited to hit that opportunity.

Only commenting because it might be worth asking for our 'ettes if there is an opportunity for them to shoot for free occasionally at their home ranges. At least worth asking?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 13, 2025 08:51 PM (HlyYF)

160 USA Today reports that Israeli missiles hit Gaza hospital--jeez, not this shit again. The media will never learn.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at April 13, 2025 08:52 PM (XMwZJ)

161 Did I say I had not purchased a second safe? Neigh!
Posted by: Eromero at April 13, 2025 08:44 PM

It is good. JMB nods in approval.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 08:52 PM (0sNs1)

162 143 NuFinish. Just added it to my shopping list.
Learned something new on the Gun Thread.
Amazing.
Posted by: RI Red

From Amazon, WalMart, and various chain auto parts stores,

Nu Finish Car Polish, NF-76 Liquid Polish in an orange bottle. Does great on cars as well as brass. Used solely for brass, you use about a capful per load with about the same amount of odorless mineral spirits--turn on the tumbler first and disperse it, then put your brass in to clean. Comes out with a soft brass/nickel shine that lasts a very long time in storage with no visible corrosion/browning of the brass.

As Rhomboid said, it does leave just a hint of synthetic car wax residue on your brass that eases resizing and reloading operations (still need some lube on necks of rifle brass though).

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 08:53 PM (ctrM5)

163 Weasel, I have to go - an early morning wake up awaits. Thanks for hosting!

Posted by: Ed L at April 13, 2025 08:54 PM (AiJK3)

164 Now, why are you slacking in purchasing the second safe, and, more importantly, filling it, in order to graduate from the "good start" categorization?
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Did I say I had not purchased a second safe? Neigh!
Posted by: Eromero
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I have locking gun racks and mini handgun safes scattered around with some in them for immediate use.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 08:57 PM (ctrM5)

165 What is this refund you speak of ?

Posted by: jsg at April 13, 2025 08:58 PM (tQcSE)

166 Over 90 comments to go for Weasel's Gun Thread this week to overcome Frenchified CBD's lead.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:00 PM (ctrM5)

167 157 Weasel, The John Moses Browning video was really good, thanks if you're here.
Posted by: Eromero at April 13, 2025 08:50 PM (LHPAg)
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I'm awake! I'm awake!

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 09:01 PM (VgEdR)

168 Food Thread is at 252, if we want to help Weasel avoid an oh-dark-thirty wake-up call to prepare for the Ewok's 0700 hrs EDT call.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 09:01 PM (0sNs1)

169 165 What is this refund you speak of ?
Posted by: jsg
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Last year was the first year in decades that I got anything back from the feds. Usually a small refund amount from the state. This year, it is the reverse, have to pay taxes to state but refund from feds.

Odd that.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:02 PM (ctrM5)

170 I'm awake! I'm awake!
Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 09:01 PM

So, how are FSJ, Gertie, and WWC2?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 09:03 PM (0sNs1)

171 So here's a little bit of personal news. After nearly 40 years at my company I've decided to hang up my pencil and retire. Probably in mid-June. Planning to spend more time at the farm and more time making up little songs about FSJ and Gertie.

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 09:03 PM (VgEdR)

172 Hello morons, happy Gunday.

Took my CZ P-07 and my XD45 to the range yesterday, did some dot torture drills and related draw + Fire drills. It really shows the difference between DA/SA and Striker fired. The CZ IS my most accurate pistol but I was faster with the XD even in .45 and groups were fairly good, if not perfect. It's the long, smooth but heavy DA trigger press of the CZ that's the problem.

Now I love my CZ, it's my favorite pistol, but I'm seriously thinking about just going to all striker all the time.

Oh and Freedom Munitions makes ammo that is out of spec. Had 2 rounds out of 50 rounds that failed to chamber because the round was fucked by a bare millimeter or something. I'll use it up but not buying ammo from them ever again.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at April 13, 2025 09:04 PM (xcxpd)

173 may have successfully turned Daughter #3 into a new shooter!

She just got a text from her range that said this Wednesday is "Ladies Day", where ladies shoot free. She is excited to hit that opportunity.

Only commenting because it might be worth asking for our 'ettes if there is an opportunity for them to shoot for free occasionally at their home ranges. At least worth asking?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 13, 2025 08:51 PM (HlyYF)

PI, this is what got Mrs. Red going. She loved inviting her lady friends for an evening . And they were oh so proud of their targets!

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 09:04 PM (eefky)

174 171 So here's a little bit of personal news. After nearly 40 years at my company I've decided to hang up my pencil and retire. Probably in mid-June. Planning to spend more time at the farm and more time making up little songs about FSJ and Gertie.
Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 09:03 PM (VgEdR)

Congrats, enjoy your life of Saturdays.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at April 13, 2025 09:04 PM (xcxpd)

175 So, how are FSJ, Gertie, and WWC2?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 09:03 PM (0sNs1)
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Good! We lost WCv2 last year, poor little kitty, but that made room for Gertie.

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 09:05 PM (VgEdR)

176 Okay, who is up for talking about Ballistol? Mobil 1? or other hi-toned gun lube options.

I have a bunch of oils, greases, etc. downstairs all that claim to be the greatest thing since sliced bread. So what do other folks like and use. I mentioned Brian Eno's (big competitive shooter with his own competitive shooting internet forum even) slide lube above for example that is more a light grease than an oil. M1 Garand, hard to beat lubriplate.

AR-15, likes to be run wet to the extent that you come from the range with more oil splatters than a mechanic at a quick change lube place.

And so on.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:06 PM (ctrM5)

177 174 171 So here's a little bit of personal news. After nearly 40 years at my company I've decided to hang up my pencil and retire. Probably in mid-June. Planning to spend more time at the farm and more time making up little songs about FSJ and Gertie.
Posted by: Weasel
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Doggies will be thrilled.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:07 PM (ctrM5)

178 Last year was the first year in decades that I got anything back from the feds. Usually a small refund amount from the state. This year, it is the reverse, have to pay taxes to state but refund from feds.

Odd that.
Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:02 PM (ctrM5)

This is the first year we actually got something from the state, but it was minute to what the feds wanted. So at least we only had 1 check to write. I guess that's better than last year.

Posted by: jsg at April 13, 2025 09:08 PM (tQcSE)

179 Doggies will be thrilled.
Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:07 PM (ctrM5)
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They're in a literal dog pile next to me on the couch as we speak!

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 09:09 PM (VgEdR)

180 171 So here's a little bit of personal news. After nearly 40 years at my company I've decided to hang up my pencil and retire. Probably in mid-June. Planning to spend more time at the farm and more time making up little songs about FSJ and Gertie.

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 09:03 PM

Congrats Weasel!

May your blood pressure now stay forever low and all of your cigars be tasty!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 13, 2025 09:09 PM (HlyYF)

181 After nearly 40 years at my company I've decided to hang up my pencil and retire.

Congrats, Weasel!

Posted by: Oddbob at April 13, 2025 09:09 PM (/y8xj)

182 It's the long, smooth but heavy DA trigger press of the CZ that's the problem.

Now I love my CZ, it's my favorite pistol, but I'm seriously thinking about just going to all striker all the time.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Come to the darkside of striker fired polymer pistols, we have cookies.

Seriously, XDs are underappreciated for accuracy and affordability. Plus made in Slovenia, home of Melania Trump.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:09 PM (ctrM5)

183 Only commenting because it might be worth asking for our 'ettes if there is an opportunity for them to shoot for free occasionally at their home ranges. At least worth asking?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
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Wednesday is Ladies Day at both PSA (at least in Greenville) and Deep South Defense. Alas, work usually interferes BUT I am trying to finagle some times when I can run over there right after work, shoot for maybe a half hour before they close, then stop by Mom's place on the way home.

I'm getting an excellent refund this year, but most is going to savings for a possible trip to Europe next summer, rather than gubs/ammo (with some to repair ductwork damaged by critters in the crawl space). Next year I might get hit hard since I can't claim my mother as a dependent anymore.

Posted by: screaming in digital at April 13, 2025 09:09 PM (Szews)

184 I have a main gubsafe and 5 distributed single handgun safes scattered about casa blaster.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 13, 2025 09:09 PM (QfvaV)

185 So here's a little bit of personal news. After nearly 40 years at my company I've decided to hang up my pencil and retire. Probably in mid-June. Planning to spend more time at the farm and more time making up little songs about FSJ and Gertie.

Posted by: Weasel
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Congratulations! I'm happy for you and not at all jealous. I'll have to work til I'm dead or senile (FJB did it, how hard can it be?)

Posted by: screaming in digital at April 13, 2025 09:10 PM (Szews)

186 They're in a literal dog pile next to me on the couch as we speak!
Posted by: Weasel

My wife uses one of our dogs as a computer workbench when on a laptop. Dog lays across her lap and she props up her laptop to type away. Doggie likes the warmth from the bottom of the laptop and goes to sleep. I think his working class breed is a laptop sitter.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:11 PM (ctrM5)

187 Congrats, Weasel!
Posted by: Oddbob at April 13, 2025 09:09 PM (/y8xj)
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Thanks! Truth be told I could have bailed some years ago, but like the place and the people, so hung around.

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 09:11 PM (VgEdR)

188 Howdy, gun guys and gals!

Posted by: Doof at April 13, 2025 09:11 PM (RFPHU)

189 So here's a little bit of personal news. After nearly 40 years at my company I've decided to hang up my pencil and retire. Probably in mid-June. Planning to spend more time at the farm and more time making up little songs about FSJ and Gertie.

Posted by: Weasel

Good on you.

I am ready to retire. But not prepared to retire.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 13, 2025 09:12 PM (QfvaV)

190 This is the first year we actually got something from the state, but it was minute to what the feds wanted. So at least we only had 1 check to write. I guess that's better than last year.
Posted by: jsg

We will net out okay but the our state is doing a weird state tax rebate AFTER we file and pay so we will get some back several months after we pay in (due at the same time as feds).

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:13 PM (ctrM5)

191 Congrats on retiring, Weasel.

Your next range session should include your alarm clock.
Making a video of it would be great.

Posted by: jsg at April 13, 2025 09:13 PM (tQcSE)

192 184 I have a main gubsafe and 5 distributed single handgun safes scattered about casa blaster.

Posted by: blaster
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Wise. Safety in numbers.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:14 PM (ctrM5)

193 Congrats on your upcoming retirement!!

Posted by: ck at April 13, 2025 09:15 PM (nMOLw)

194 Okay, who is up for talking about Ballistol? Mobil 1? or other hi-toned gun lube options.

I use Ballistol & Mobil 1. Mobil 1 to lube. Ballistol to clean.

Ballistol & Murphy's Oil Soap to clean up black powder.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 13, 2025 09:16 PM (8JE3Q)

195 So.

You don’t put everything in a safe, right? There still a bedside gun and a living room shotgun and an hallway revolver and a bathroom Glock, right?

Right?

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 13, 2025 09:16 PM (mT+6a)

196 Your next range session should include your alarm clock.
Making a video of it would be great.
Posted by: jsg at April 13, 2025 09:13 PM (tQcSE)
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HA! By sticking around so long I had worked myself into a fairly remarkable situation, and really just mostly worked when and where I wanted.. year-end kind of sucked, but that only lasted a few months.

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 09:16 PM (VgEdR)

197 And the guest room has a 1911?

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 13, 2025 09:17 PM (mT+6a)

198 Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:06 PM (ctrM5)

A lot of folks swear by Ballistol, but I'm not a fan. It seems to leave a thick gummy film on surfaces that it coats. Hoppes #9 and LCP are my go-to products.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 13, 2025 09:17 PM (Hdixl)

199 Wednesday is Ladies Day at both PSA (at least in Greenville) and Deep South Defense. Alas, work usually interferes BUT I am trying to finagle some times when I can run over there right after work, shoot for maybe a half hour before they close, then stop by Mom's place on the way home.
Posted by: screaming in digital
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SiD, How are the PSA stores and ranges? Never been in one and only occasionally order something from them online.

I quit traveling to SC (Furman and Greenville area or Charleston) years ago after I was no longer coach for one of our academic teams.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:17 PM (ctrM5)

200 I'll have to work til I'm dead or senile (FJB did it, how hard can it be?)
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 13, 2025 09:10 PM (Szews)

Same here. Of course if we're senile enough they could tell us this IS retirement and we wouldn't know any better, so there's that

Posted by: jsg at April 13, 2025 09:18 PM (tQcSE)

201 And the kitchen 9mm

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 13, 2025 09:18 PM (mT+6a)

202 Oh and Freedom Munitions makes ammo that is out of spec. Had 2 rounds out of 50 rounds that failed to chamber because the round was fucked by a bare millimeter or something. I'll use it up but not buying ammo from them ever again.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo

A millimeter?!
That's like 1/25th of an inch.
Even 1/100th can cause problems (like in the plunk test).

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 13, 2025 09:18 PM (/lPRQ)

203 What about the coffee table pistol?

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 13, 2025 09:19 PM (mT+6a)

204 We will net out okay but the our state is doing a weird state tax rebate AFTER we file and pay so we will get some back several months after we pay in (due at the same time as feds).
Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:13 PM (ctrM5)

Wow, that is odd. Are you in a Good State or a Blue State ?

Posted by: jsg at April 13, 2025 09:20 PM (tQcSE)

205 OK, 9:21 pm thank you time!

Thanks for being here guys and gals! Hope to see you next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 09:21 PM (VgEdR)

206 You don’t put everything in a safe, right? There still a bedside gun and a living room shotgun and an hallway revolver and a bathroom Glock, right?

Right?
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 13, 2025 09:16 PM (mT+6a)

I’m laughing, nurse. Because people talking about “a” safe. And then thinking of the various nooks and crannies. And vehicles. And, etc.

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 09:21 PM (eefky)

207 171 ... Weasel,
Congrats on the upcoming retirement. I'm sure you will enjoy it. One of the best moves Mrs.JTB and I made was retiring as soon as we were able. (Yes, we had planned financially for it and actually lived for a year on what would be the reduced income, saving the difference. It made the transition so much easier. The hardest part was getting used to waking up after the sun came up.)

Posted by: JTB at April 13, 2025 09:21 PM (yTvNw)

208 YouToub tells me my browser can't play Angry Red Planet embedded above.

Here's a link to it on YooToob ("free with ads")
https://youtu.be/96wNerBJC3k

IMDb says
The Angry Red Planet 1959
One of only two survivors from a Martian expedition is so traumatized she doesn't remember the circumstances of the trip.

Opening credits
So, what happened?
I don't remember.
Roll end credits.

Posted by: mindful webworker - you wouldn't like me when I'm angry -Red Hulk at April 13, 2025 09:21 PM (xnW8Y)

209 A lot of folks swear by Ballistol, but I'm not a fan. It seems to leave a thick gummy film on surfaces that it coats. Hoppes #9 and LCP are my go-to products.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen

I've used it on a German WWI Mauser just for authenticity but have not noticed the gumming problem which can be an issue with some oils. Interesting feedback. I used Frog Lube ONCE, and removed that shitty product with acetone shortly thereafter for that very thing--gumming up.

I use sewing machine oil in a needle dropper bottle for revolvers and thinking about switching to clock oil.

Mobil One zero weight for AR series on occasion but also military issue CLP. For the M1 Garand, lubriplate. I like Hoppes gun oil and use it on occasion as well as

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:22 PM (ctrM5)

210 The hardest part was getting used to waking up after the sun came up.)
Posted by: JTB at April 13, 2025 09:21 PM (yTvNw)

Sounds dreadful.....ly awesome.

Posted by: jsg at April 13, 2025 09:22 PM (tQcSE)

211 Posted by: JTB at April 13, 2025 09:21 PM (yTvNw)
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Right now my goal is to get up every day, sit on the front porch in my underwear, and throw rocks at cars.

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 09:23 PM (VgEdR)

212 171 So here's a little bit of personal news. After nearly 40 years at my company I've decided to hang up my pencil and retire. Probably in mid-June. Planning to spend more time at the farm and more time making up little songs about FSJ and Gertie.
Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 09:03 PM (VgEdR)

Congrats! Excited for you.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 13, 2025 09:23 PM (v23vE)

213 You don’t put everything in a safe, right? There still a bedside gun and a living room shotgun and an hallway revolver and a bathroom Glock, right?
Right?
Posted by: nurse ratched

And the guest room has a 1911?
Posted by: nurse ratched

And the kitchen 9mm
Posted by: nurse ratched

What about the coffee table pistol?
Posted by: nurse ratched

Totally read all of that in Hobbit Voice.

Posted by: mikeski missed second breakfast today at April 13, 2025 09:24 PM (DgGvY)

214 Right now my goal is to get up every day, sit on the front porch in my underwear, and throw rocks at cars.
Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 09:23 PM

Given the low velocity, don't rocks require even more refined wind calculation/compensation?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 09:24 PM (0sNs1)

215 Weasel, anything burning tonight? I'd be burning an Espinosa 601 Blue maduro (highly recommended), but it's cool-ish and windy outside and I'm sick of not being able to just relax/enjoy the stick without distractions. The universe's tiniest violin plays for "weather" issues in this location, but even now, after a cool-ish (for us) "winter", temps drop after 2PM and with a breeze it gets non-perfect. My cigar buddy in TX has had better outdoor burning conditions than I have for most of the past 3 months.
Posted by: rhomboid

Finished up a 601 "Yellow" La Bomb. Habano a handfull of ligero throw in to impress the new cigar and watch him turn yellow.

Earlier had a Man O War Dark Maduro. Soloman sized 6-1/2 x 58. Tapers down to a tiny hole to light it. Surprisingly it behaved well and required no touch-ups. Good cigar. Glad I got a box.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 13, 2025 09:24 PM (/lPRQ)

216 Freedom Munitions makes ammo that is out of spec. Had 2 rounds out of 50 rounds that failed to chamber because the round was fucked by a bare millimeter or something. I'll use it up but not buying ammo from them ever again.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Thanks for that info. Had that problem with Atlanta Arms reloads once upon a time.

I now either buy something like Federal, Fiocchi, etc. or use my reloads. Don't care for S&B because of reloading issues with that brass in some cartridges.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:24 PM (ctrM5)

217 So here's a little bit of personal news. After nearly 40 years at my company I've decided to hang up my pencil and retire. Probably in mid-June. Planning to spend more time at the farm and more time making up little songs about FSJ and Gertie.

Posted by: Weasel
Congratulations! I retired after Covid-19 became a thing. After 40 years of getting up at 0430, I have learned the joys of rolling over in bed and smiling at the prospect of Monday mornings.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 13, 2025 09:25 PM (Hdixl)

218 Totally read all of that in Hobbit Voice.
Posted by: mikeski missed second breakfast today at April 13, 2025 09:24 PM (DgGvY)

And second breakfast?
And elevenses?

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 09:25 PM (eefky)

219 SiD, How are the PSA stores and ranges? Never been in one and only occasionally order something from them online.

I quit traveling to SC (Furman and Greenville area or Charleston) years ago after I was no longer coach for one of our academic teams.
Posted by: whig
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whig, I've only been to the one in Greenville, but I'm a fan. Since I moved away from Greenville I've only been once, so I'm no longer a regular. I really enjoy the range and took a private lesson there with my P365 (very helpful, great instructor). I don't buy a whole lot in the store, I do more online ordering myself as well, but I think the staff are helpful. They have an Uzi to rent, $20 same as in town... I have not availed myself of that. blaster has probably visited more PSA locations than I...

I love DSD as well - the store is not as big, but the staff is excellent. They did a professional cleaning job on Jesse's 1917 rifle, and did my transfer for the Highway Patrolman. Love to shoot there too.

Posted by: screaming in digital at April 13, 2025 09:25 PM (Szews)

220 Given the low velocity, don't rocks require even more refined wind calculation/compensation?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 09:24 PM (0sNs1)
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Really depends on the rock. Worn river stone is more aerodynamically stable.

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 09:25 PM (VgEdR)

221 40 years with the same company? Damn. Didn't think those kind of jobs existed. Congratulations and enjoy retirement.

I'll retire three years after I'm dead.

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at April 13, 2025 09:26 PM (sAmhv)

222 214 Right now my goal is to get up every day, sit on the front porch in my underwear, and throw rocks at cars.
Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 09:23 PM

Given the low velocity, don't rocks require even more refined wind calculation/compensation?
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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We look forward to the chrony readings of those rocks and calculations of Power Factor in your future columns so we can critique your throwing techniques.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:26 PM (ctrM5)

223 Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at April 13, 2025 09:26 PM (sAmhv)
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Yep. Crazy, huh? It's a great place and I have been treated very well!

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 09:28 PM (VgEdR)

224 whig, I've only been to the one in Greenville, but I'm a fan. Since I moved away from Greenville I've only been once, so I'm no longer a regular. I really enjoy the range and took a private lesson there with my P365 (very helpful, great instructor). I don't buy a whole lot in the store, I do more online ordering myself as well, but I think the staff are helpful. They have an Uzi to rent, $20 same as in town... I have not availed myself of that. blaster has probably visited more PSA locations than I...

I love DSD as well - the store is not as big, but the staff is excellent. They did a professional cleaning job on Jesse's 1917 rifle, and did my transfer for the Highway Patrolman. Love to shoot there too.
Posted by: screaming in digital
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Good to know. We are going to have to make a trip to NC Charlotte area and I want to tour Kings Mountain and/or Cowpens battlefields. We always travel via auto with our pea shooters because you never know nowadays.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:28 PM (ctrM5)

225 Thanks and cheers to Weasel for a peaceful retirement and look forward to his girthier posts in the near future because of it.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:29 PM (ctrM5)

226 With all the retirements going around, we are gonna have to get a cracker and pickle barrel so we can shoot the breeze around here. A spitton would add a bit of class to the place.

One of my amusements was my dad's retirement was him running a feedstore after he quit farming and before that the US Army retirement.

Had a whole gaggle of retired folks that liked to hang around and shoot the breeze at the feed store which my dad liked to visit with.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:32 PM (ctrM5)

227 Really depends on the rock. Worn river stone is more aerodynamically stable.
Posted by: Weasel
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They really work the best using a sling shot approach. David took down Goliath with a similar stone.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:33 PM (ctrM5)

228 So.

You don’t put everything in a safe, right? There still a bedside gun and a living room shotgun and an hallway revolver and a bathroom Glock, right?

Right?
Posted by: nurse ratched

I thought most people just slid them under the bed with the liquor they are hiding from the kids.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 13, 2025 09:33 PM (/lPRQ)

229 Oh and Freedom Munitions makes ammo that is out of spec. Had 2 rounds out of 50 rounds that failed to chamber because the round was fucked by a bare millimeter or something. I'll use it up but not buying ammo from them ever again.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo

A millimeter?!
That's like 1/25th of an inch.
Even 1/100th can cause problems (like in the plunk test).

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 13, 2025 09:18 PM

I had some S&B 45 colt ammo that was too long by a couple of hundredths of an inch. It would not feed in my Marlin 1894 and would jam that gun every time. I had bought a case of it. Luckily the pawn shop guy bought it from me for a decent price after I told him what was wrong with it so I didn't lose all of my money.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 13, 2025 09:34 PM (e5NfL)

230 I'll retire three years after I'm dead.
Posted by: Puddleglum
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Well, it will be a bit hard to cut your retiree benefits at that point.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:34 PM (ctrM5)

231 Congrats on the upcoming retirement, Weasel!

Posted by: Doof at April 13, 2025 09:35 PM (RFPHU)

232 I have had more trouble with S&B products than other imports like Prvi Partisan or Fiocchi (some Fiocchi is made in Missouri nowadays). I did once get some too short 7.62x39 brass from Fiocchi now that I think about it though.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:36 PM (ctrM5)

233 whig, I should have added that if you do come this way again someday, I'd love to go shoot with you. I'm in the upstate. I'm adding my email to my nic.

Posted by: screaming in digital at April 13, 2025 09:36 PM (Szews)

234 Vicarious competition report:

My wife's favorite teacher at school (that also has her back) runs the ROTC program, and recently started an archery team.

They just won the City Championship for archery. He said one of the girls is truly gifted and he is trying to get her to compete at a national level.

He said she will also be a future military leader.

He was VERY proud of his charges this week, while the other teachers that don't teach any discipline are having large numbers of their kids suspended for misbehavior.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 13, 2025 09:37 PM (HlyYF)

235 I thought most people just slid them under the bed with the liquor they are hiding from the kids.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
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Pron and adult toys go under the bed. Be a bit of a problem to draw in an emergency what Charlie Brown is famous on AOS for when intended to get a shooting iron.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:37 PM (ctrM5)

236 230 I'll retire three years after I'm dead.
Posted by: Puddleglum
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Well, it will be a bit hard to cut your retiree benefits at that point.
Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:34 PM (ctrM5)

I've done the calculations, and I will be able to retire on or about lunchtime on the day of my funeral. So a little better than Puddleglum, but only just...

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 13, 2025 09:38 PM (v23vE)

237 233 whig, I should have added that if you do come this way again someday, I'd love to go shoot with you. I'm in the upstate. I'm adding my email to my nic.
Posted by: screaming in digital
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Depends on my shoulder but my wife would certainly enjoy shooting. We have to go to NC for selling some old china, silver, etc. from ancestral households and there is a place there that sells across teh globe. Too much for us to ship so we will probably drive there.

I'd like to take her to Charleston as well but dunno how well and when I will be able to travel with my shoulder and back. No firm diagnosis now and this problem has been going on since Sept of last year.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:41 PM (ctrM5)

238 Hey weasel,
Do you rubberband a note around the rocks? Something like, “cry harder, bitches” or “I don’t like the way you drove past my home” or “the color of your ev annoys me.”

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 13, 2025 09:41 PM (mT+6a)

239 Be a bit of a problem to draw in an emergency what Charlie Brown is famous on AOS
Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:37 PM

But the manual of arms is fabulous!

Posted by: Folsom Street Fair participants at April 13, 2025 09:41 PM (0sNs1)

240 235 I thought most people just slid them under the bed with the liquor they are hiding from the kids.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
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Pron and adult toys go under the bed. Be a bit of a problem to draw in an emergency what Charlie Brown is famous on AOS for when intended to get a shooting iron.
Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:37 PM (ctrM5)

Oh, I don't know. Coming up with a ... device ... in your hand might get the miscreant laughing enough to give you a momentary advantage.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 13, 2025 09:41 PM (v23vE)

241 Absent a little spurt, we're not performing for Weasel this evening.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 09:42 PM (0sNs1)

242 Heh.

Duncanthrax said “spurt.”

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 13, 2025 09:44 PM (mT+6a)

243 Congratulations on your retirement, Weasel! I retired last year, not quite as voluntary as yours, and it turns out that I'm as busy as ever, and having fun. I thought I might be bored, but not in the slightest.

Posted by: Splunge at April 13, 2025 09:44 PM (ju/6W)

244 But the manual of arms is fabulous!
Posted by: Folsom Street Fair

Heh
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Oh, I don't know. Coming up with a ... device ... in your hand might get the miscreant laughing enough to give you a momentary advantage.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
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Heh again.

Be double embarrassing if one drew out a pump for a particular self improvement project and had to tell the perp that "it was not your bag, baby".

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:45 PM (ctrM5)

245 Oh, I don't know. Coming up with a ... device ... in your hand might get the miscreant laughing enough to give you a momentary advantage.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 13, 2025 09:41 PM

IIRC, there was a law proposed here in Texas that would limit the number of such devices owned.

Protesters showed up at the State Capitol with some devices that one could literally perform a manual of arms with.

Right shoulder, arms!
Present arms!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 09:45 PM (0sNs1)

246 I will work until I die.

Cheers!

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 13, 2025 09:45 PM (mT+6a)

247 Posted by: nurse ratched at April 13, 2025 09:41 PM (mT+6a)
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Good idea!

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 09:45 PM (VgEdR)

248 This week's installment of Highway Patrol was a bit more believable than the normal 15-shot revolver shenanigans. However, if you're telling me you could drive a truck over California roads with a bucket of water precariously perched over barrels of potassium, yet not hit a pothole, I have my doubts.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 13, 2025 09:47 PM (v23vE)

249 Posted by: Splunge at April 13, 2025 09:44 PM (ju/6W)
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Good to know! I have a huge backlog of hobbies and I hope to stay busy.

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 09:47 PM (VgEdR)

250 *happy dance*

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 13, 2025 09:47 PM (mT+6a)

251 I would watch a video that zombie produced of a precision drill team at the Folsom Street Fair, just for the shock and awe effect.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 09:47 PM (0sNs1)

252 I thought most people just slid them under the bed with the liquor they are hiding from the kids.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
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Pron and adult toys go under the bed. Be a bit of a problem to draw in an emergency what Charlie Brown is famous on AOS for when intended to get a shooting iron.
Posted by: whig

The new girlfriend will be freaked out if you do it the other way around, too.

Posted by: this is my rifle, this is my gun..... at April 13, 2025 09:47 PM (DgGvY)

253 Oh, I don't know. Coming up with a ... device ... in your hand might get the miscreant laughing enough to give you a momentary advantage.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 13, 2025 09:41 PM (v23vE)

Convert one of.. those things.. into a holster of sort. Bring it up, criminal laughs, you pull trigger, bullets come out end, shoot bad guy.

Just be careful not to leave it laying around when you live with females..

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 13, 2025 09:48 PM (l3YAf)

254 Honorary 'ette MiladyJo had both hips upgraded in the past year, and…

158 I'm out too.
Posted by: Sharon

Uh, never mind then.

Posted by: mindful webworker - no mind never matter at April 13, 2025 09:48 PM (xnW8Y)

255 IIRC, there was a law proposed here in Texas that would limit the number of such devices owned.

Protesters showed up at the State Capitol with some devices that one could literally perform a manual of arms with.

Right shoulder, arms!
Present arms!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 09:45 PM (0sNs1)

That ... is not my shoulder.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 13, 2025 09:48 PM (v23vE)

256 I would watch a video that zombie produced of a precision drill team at the Folsom Street Fair, just for the shock and awe effect.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

Pretty sure "drill team" means something entirely different there.

Posted by: mikeski goes looking for the brain bleach at April 13, 2025 09:49 PM (DgGvY)

257 Ok, we made it. Good job!

Enjoy your extra beauty sleep, Weasel!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 09:49 PM (0sNs1)

258 Thanks guys and gals. All y'all is the best!

Posted by: Weasel at April 13, 2025 09:50 PM (VgEdR)

259 Convert one of.. those things.. into a holster of sort. Bring it up, criminal laughs, you pull trigger, bullets come out end, shoot bad guy.

Just be careful not to leave it laying around when you live with females..
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 13, 2025 09:48 PM (l3YAf)

Gives a whole new meaning to the term "mindblowing experience", no?

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 13, 2025 09:50 PM (v23vE)

260 Pretty sure "drill team" means something entirely different there.
Posted by: mikeski goes looking for the brain bleach at April 13, 2025 09:49 PM

I had not ... considered ... that.

Ok, strike watching.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 09:51 PM (0sNs1)

261 Did it by segueing from safe storage of arms to arms everywhere to... Toys.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 13, 2025 09:51 PM (/lPRQ)

262 G’night, Weasel. Always the best.

Posted by: RI Red at April 13, 2025 09:51 PM (eefky)

263 Did it by segueing from safe storage of arms to arms everywhere to... Toys.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 13, 2025 09:51 PM

It's a testament to Weasel-san that we do what we have to do.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 09:53 PM (0sNs1)

264 Lets talk about Ole Smelly aka SMLE.

The Lee Enfield rifle was developed from the older Lee Metford rifle and the Lee in the name was an American. The SMLE was after the British quit using black powder in their 303, decided to eliminate calvary carbines and musket length (30 inch or so rifle barrels aka Long Lee), and came up with the Short Magazine Lee Enfield rifle. These rifles were issued for the infantry as well as calvary like the US was doing with the Springfield and discontinuing carbine models per se.

At first, the Brits before WWI were going to move to a new rifle in trials, the P13 which was a stronger Mauser based action and a new cartridge based on 7mm rimless design. WWI occurred before the Brits could produce the model and due to the horrendous losses of material by the Brits, they contracted with the US to build that model under the slightly revised P14 design. But, the US was slow in getting those rifles made and the Brits decided to stay with the SMLE with the P14s going into war reserve as they came from America.

When WWII rolled around, the Brits went with a revised SMLE to the No. 4 design but both rifles continued in service to the end of the war.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:53 PM (ctrM5)

265 The new girlfriend will be freaked out if you do it the other way around, too.
Posted by: this is my rifle, this is my gun
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Yep. Ike Turner vibes.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:54 PM (ctrM5)

266 Thanks as usual for the Gub Thread, Weasel. It's always a highlight of my Sunday evenings.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 13, 2025 09:54 PM (v23vE)

267 You're only saying nice things about the SMLE because NZFrank isn't around.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 09:54 PM (0sNs1)

268 263 Did it by segueing from safe storage of arms to arms everywhere to... Toys.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
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Safe storage is safe storage no matter what the object may be.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:54 PM (ctrM5)

269 267 You're only saying nice things about the SMLE because NZFrank isn't around.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Have probably about 5-6 of them and a couple of P14's. A couple of project SMLE receivers for cartridge conversions to 22 LR as well.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:56 PM (ctrM5)

270 Another week goes by and the new S&W 686 Mountain Gun in .357 has not shipped, while its .44 Magnum counterpart has been released for over a month.

I know the .44 is out there, because they are on Gunbroker at inflated prices for those who just have to have one right now.

My LGS had a .44. MSRP is $1200. Winning bid was $1750.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at April 13, 2025 09:56 PM (SnC8S)

271 One of the issues about reloading for old Smelly is that the chambers used by the Brits were generous as this cartridge headspaces on the rim and not on the shoulder like modern cartridges do. This means you either resize the brass back to spec for all rifles or you rely on fireforming by shooting the brass in a particular rifle. The former means short brass reloading life, the latter means you have to segregate ammo by rifle.

The P14 doesn't have this issue.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:58 PM (ctrM5)

272 Good night folks and give my condolences to CBD Monday, Weasel san.

Posted by: whig at April 13, 2025 09:59 PM (ctrM5)

273 Another week goes by and the new S&W 686 Mountain Gun in .357 has not shipped, while its .44 Magnum counterpart has been released for over a month.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at April 13, 2025 09:56 PM

Another week goes by, and the 657 Mountain Gun in .41 Magnum hasn't even been announced.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 13, 2025 10:01 PM (0sNs1)

274 Aaaaand, there's the ONT
NOODLY

https://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=414422

Posted by: mindful webworker - corgis and otters assemble at April 13, 2025 10:02 PM (xnW8Y)

275 I flew out to Taylor Energy platforms a lot back in the day. Got to know his pilots. Taylor had a Corsair he was having refurbished Got a really nice tour of it once.

Posted by: javems at April 13, 2025 10:04 PM (8I4hW)

276 If no tax on social security is ever enacted, I've got a Henry side gate lever action rifle in 357 on my list.

Posted by: Mr. Barky at April 13, 2025 10:18 PM (Qh7wz)

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