S&P Posts Its Biggest One-Day Gain In History as Markets Rally<br>Plus: Is China "In a Box"?

S&P Posts Its Biggest One-Day Gain In History as Markets Rally
Plus: Is China "In a Box"?

I don't cover the markets. I don't want to cover the markets. But if CNN is going to put up minute-by-minute chyrons about the market when it's going down, then I'm going to counter by flooding the zone when it's going up.

Huge day for stocks.

The stock market mounted one of its biggest rallies in history after President Donald Trump announced a pause in some of his "reciprocal" tariffs on the globe, causing a market that has been under extreme pressure for the past week to explode higher.
The S&P 500 skyrocketed 9.52% to settle at 5,456.90 for its biggest one-day gain since 2008. For the broad market index, it was the third-biggest gain in post-WWII history. The Dow Jones Industrial Average advanced 2,962.86 points, or 7.87%, to close at 40,608.45 for its biggest percentage advance since March 2020. The Nasdaq Composite jumped 12.16% to end at 17,124.97, notching its largest one-day jump since January 2001 and second-best day ever.
About 30 billion shares traded hands, making it the heaviest volume day on Wall Street in history, according to records that go back 18 years.
"I have authorized a 90 day PAUSE, and a substantially lowered Reciprocal Tariff during this period, of 10%, also effective immediately," Trump posted on his Truth Social. Trump, in the same post, said he was raising the tariff on China higher again to 125%.
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent later clarified that all countries except China would return to the 10% baseline tariff rate, down from the higher rates that previously shocked the markets, as negotiations take place. The pause would not apply to sector tariffs, Bessent said.

At Hot Air, Duane Patterson says that Trump is isolating China and claims that he's making countries choose between access to the US markets and China.

I don't understand the claim -- is Trump leading an effort to have all countries impose tariffs on China?

Anyway, here's some of his thoughts:

First, the tariffs to every country was meant to cause the free world to make a choice - China or us. According to Scott Bessent on the White House lawn early this afternoon, north of 75 countries have chosen us. They are clamoring to renegotiate trade deals. Inevitably, every one of these deals will benefit the United States. It defies logic to believe that America's position vis-a-vis trade with any individual country is going to be worse off after negotiating a new deal. With some countries, we'll be nominally better off. With other countries, we'll be in a much more equitable place. And because we have the commitment of 75+ countries to renegotiate trade, Trump is pausing the tariffs for 90-days in good faith in order to let the negotiators do their thing.
The bottom line is none of these pending trade deals would have been offered or committed to without the tariffs used as an attention-getter.
Second, by forcing the world to choose between the United States and China, China has become further isolated. Trump has all the leverage in the world to squeeze China, and squeezing them is exactly what he's doing.

A reporter asks if this "trade war" -- a characterization Treasury Secretary Bessent disputes -- is now "China versus the rest of the world."

.@SecScottBessent: "I'm not calling it a trade war — but I'm saying that China has escalated and President Trump responded very courageously to that." pic.twitter.com/vzsd0229a6
— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) April 9, 2025

Bessent also pointed out that China's economy is entirely dependent on "flooding the world" with cheap exports, so there's no way they can win a tariff war with the US.

But is that true? As we found out during covid -- which the government didn't do anything about -- the US makes zero of the basic medicines and precursor chemicals which are then used to manufacture all other medicines.

The US makes practically nothing any more.

I think China could in fact damage the US economy by refusing to sell basic stuff to us.

Sean Davis
@seanmdav
A bunch of idiots who spent the last 30 years telling you why it was good for all our stuff to be made in China and why it was fine to hollow out American manufacturing and why nothing trade-wise needed to be renegotiated are now trying to convince you that they’re the real experts on trade negotiations.

I’m once again begging media outlets to not run end-of-the-world headlines in response to single-day moves in the stock market. pic.twitter.com/6CvCHTAzUk
— Drew Holden (@DrewHolden360) April 9, 2025

Posted by: Ace at 05:28 PM

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1 tuimtkk77

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 09, 2025 05:28 PM (rxe17)

2
This is getting kind of confrontational.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 09, 2025 05:29 PM (rxe17)

3 art of the deal

Posted by: brak at April 09, 2025 05:30 PM (jGJov)

4 Never wave a red flag at a Golden Scalp Weasel.

Posted by: DaveA at April 09, 2025 05:30 PM (FhXTo)

5 Trump-chess Chinese-checkers… some assembly required

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 09, 2025 05:32 PM (ANuwa)

6 I have huge Man Crush on Bessent. Such dreamy eyes

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 09, 2025 05:32 PM (Gqoy+)

7 A couple of more punches like this to Xi's nads and he won't be keeping face for much longer. He's allegedly had a least one stroke and if it appears he's not up to a trade war, the party might say "denounced"

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 09, 2025 05:32 PM (6TePA)

8 "I don't want to cover the markets."

And I don't blame you, Ace

"But if CNN is going to put up minute-by-minute chyrons about the market when it's going down, then I'm going to counter by flooding the zone when it's going up."

LOL. Good for you!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 09, 2025 05:32 PM (42Vb+)

9 Trump is lying and his breath stinks too !!!!

Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at April 09, 2025 05:33 PM (Vw5oS)

10
art of the deal
Posted by: brak

============

Nerves of steel.

Shit got real.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 09, 2025 05:33 PM (rxe17)

11 China should have always been what this was really all about. Whole world is eager to see China put in a box.

I'll brace for flames, but Trump has folded so many times on tariffs, no one takes it serious anymore. Are you really going to build a factory here when this stuff changes by the hour?

Every time we go down this road, the market implodes, Trump changes his mind, and then markets rebound.

Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 05:33 PM (4pwAx)

12 The Market is coo coo bananas.

Amirite?

Posted by: eleven at April 09, 2025 05:33 PM (0HaGk)

13 Trump is settling all family business. What he's planning for Nancy will be biblical.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 09, 2025 05:34 PM (Gqoy+)

14 I think Scott Bessent is a nice looking man. And so can the left get rid of the "Trump hates gays!!" stupidity?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 09, 2025 05:34 PM (42Vb+)

15 14 I think Scott Bessent is a nice looking man. And so can the left get rid of the "Trump hates gays!!" stupidity?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 09, 2025 05:34 PM (42Vb+)

NEVER!

Posted by: The Left at April 09, 2025 05:35 PM (PiwSw)

16 Need help with those percursor chemicals?

Posted by: Walter White at April 09, 2025 05:35 PM (gKWVE)

17
As we found out during covid -- which the government didn't do anything about -- the US makes zero of the basic medicines and precursor chemicals which are then used to manufacture all other medicines.

The US makes practically nothing any more.

Well, Ace, if you read this blog's comments, specifically mine, you'd know that President Trump addressed these very points, today.

Tell you what: You read our comments, and we'll read your posts. Deal?

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 09, 2025 05:35 PM (A1wUB)

18 Bessent is a family man. Good for him.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 09, 2025 05:36 PM (Gqoy+)

19 Guess they never translated Art of the Deal into Chinese

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at April 09, 2025 05:36 PM (8iNlE)

20 I like the market more better when it goes up.

Posted by: Weasel at April 09, 2025 05:36 PM (VgEdR)

21 >> I don't understand the claim -- is Trump leading an effort to have all countries impose tariffs on China?

China’s game has been to slowly shift their goods production and export through other nations. That’s how they game the system. So an export to Mexico, or a Chinese company producing in Mexico gets a discount tariff and a better trade deal than a direct shipment. So yes, Trump is counting that against each nation transshipping or producing Chinese goods. That’s part of his calculation.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 09, 2025 05:37 PM (JmM38)

22 I'm along for the ride ... in a 100 foot Maori war canoe.

Posted by: 13times at April 09, 2025 05:37 PM (0RvR1)

23 Clamshell, we always get Chinese in a clamshell. The rice comes in one of those cute folding boxes, though. Love those things, but the cookies are always stale for some reason.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 09, 2025 05:37 PM (D7oie)

24 Every time we go down this road, the market implodes, Trump changes his mind, and then markets rebound.
Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 05:33 PM (4pwAx)

There're some big quick gains if you had the $$$ and the stones.

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I WAS The Science at April 09, 2025 05:37 PM (lg881)

25
"I'll brace for flames"

Good luck with that, but I'm too tired to flame anyone.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 09, 2025 05:37 PM (42Vb+)

26
Plus: Is China "In a Box"?

Those cute little to-go boxes.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at April 09, 2025 05:37 PM (KIYrN)

27 I read your posts, ace.

I'm, not like the others.

Posted by: eleven at April 09, 2025 05:37 PM (0HaGk)

28 I wants too Thank presdent Obama foor solvering this economics problim created by Trimp.

WE love you and misss yew !!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt at April 09, 2025 05:38 PM (Gurs5)

29 The Conservative Case for why Stocks are ~~lower~~ higher is a Bad Thing.

Posted by: The Bulwark, trying to keep up at April 09, 2025 05:38 PM (PiwSw)

30
For shits & giggles, look up china's history with the Righteous Brothers of the Harmonious Fists.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 09, 2025 05:38 PM (A1wUB)

31 > I think China could in fact damage the US economy by refusing to sell basic stuff to us.

The idea is to push manufacturing back into the US. Many companies that had shifter offshore are already on shoring production. For example, pharmaceuticals. US automobile manufacturers also can shift relatively quickly back to the US although some of that is circumstantial.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 09, 2025 05:39 PM (JmM38)

32 ***The US makes practically nothing any more.***
---

That's what he's changing. Weening off the tit is uncomfortable, to say the least.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 09, 2025 05:39 PM (x057s)

33
The US makes practically nothing any more.

We have the tranny market cornered.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 09, 2025 05:39 PM (63Dwl)

34 > But is that true? As we found out during covid -- which the government didn't do anything about -- the US makes zero of the basic medicines and precursor chemicals which are then used to manufacture all other medicines.

The US makes practically nothing any more.
---------------
Bet we'd learn real quick.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 09, 2025 05:40 PM (Q4IgG)

35 >>>China's game has been to slowly shift their goods production and export through other nations. That’s how they game the system. So an export to Mexico, or a Chinese company producing in Mexico gets a discount tariff and a better trade deal than a direct shipment. So yes, Trump is counting that against each nation transshipping or producing Chinese goods. That's part of his calculation.

oh okay, I knew about the transshipment issue but I didn't hear how Trump was addressing it

Posted by: ace at April 09, 2025 05:40 PM (KRtlO)

36 Drew, if the media doesn't sell fear porn, what's left of their paying leftwing audience will move on.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 09, 2025 05:40 PM (tT6L1)

37 33
The US makes practically nothing any more.

We have the tranny market cornered.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 09, 2025 05:39 PM (63Dwl)

*Thailand saunters into the chat*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 09, 2025 05:40 PM (xcxpd)

38 That's what he's changing. Weening off the tit is uncomfortable, to say the least.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 09, 2025 05:39 PM (x057s)

It ~~dang near~~ killed me.

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I WAS The Science at April 09, 2025 05:40 PM (lg881)

39 A Democrat representative from Nevada is also in a box. Or a bunker.

At the end, big tax cut . . . on the backs of the American people????

https://x.com/walterkirn/status/1910073627451724245

Posted by: KT at April 09, 2025 05:40 PM (xekrU)

40
1. Trump tanked the economy.
2. So what if the stock market recovered, Trump caved.
3. Trump is manipulating the stock market.
4. Signalgate!
5. Shut up, racist.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 09, 2025 05:41 PM (A1wUB)

41 Does anybody know how this shampoo bottle works?

Posted by: The Honorable Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez at April 09, 2025 05:41 PM (PiwSw)

42 30
For shits & giggles, look up china's history with the Righteous Brothers of the Harmonious Fists.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 09, 2025 05:38 PM (A1wUB)

Brue-eyed soul have no prace here!

Posted by: State-approved music only at April 09, 2025 05:41 PM (TbWk/)

43 38 That's what he's changing. Weening off the tit is uncomfortable, to say the least.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 09, 2025 05:39 PM (x057s)

It ~~dang near~~ killed me.
Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I WAS The Science at April 09, 2025 05:40 PM (lg881)

Whoops, fail; that was actually me.

Posted by: Dolly Parton's late husband (rip) at April 09, 2025 05:42 PM (lg881)

44 Russia, China, and the US are continental powers, we all have lots of internal resources that can be put to use in a crisis. This is another reason why sanctioning Russia was so stupid before the Ukraine war after doing it for a decade and a half already. Russia has gigatons of resources. They can live without the latest monitor or iPhone.

The one thing the last three years have shown is the elites in the west don't know shit about most everything in the world. I wouldn't bet heavily on these predictions or analyses. China and Russia have spent a lot of effort building land connections that could help provide any odd thing China needs.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 05:42 PM (n7h9X)

45 I'm all for manufacturing returning to the US but so many potential workers have useless educations, are contemplating their genders or are addicted to something it will be tough
Definite blue collar shortage

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 09, 2025 05:42 PM (6TePA)

46 *Thailand ~~saunters~~ sashays into the chat*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo

FIFY

Posted by: FeatherBlade at April 09, 2025 05:42 PM (hB7mE)

47 40 That was apparently the marching orders the trolls received for today

Posted by: steevy at April 09, 2025 05:43 PM (KQk9m)

48 I like the market more better when it goes up.
Posted by: Weasel at April 09, 2025 05:36 PM (VgEdR)

In hindsight, investing would have been a lot easier if I knew stocks went up and down ahead of time.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 09, 2025 05:43 PM (l3YAf)

49 45 I'm all for manufacturing returning to the US but so many potential workers have useless educations, are contemplating their genders or are addicted to something it will be tough
Definite blue collar shortage
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 09, 2025 05:42 PM (6TePA)

Maybe that sh*t won't fly so much in the "blue collar" sectors.

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I WAS The Science at April 09, 2025 05:43 PM (lg881)

50 China controls 80-90% of rare earths. They stop exporting that we’re fucked.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 09, 2025 05:43 PM (xHYkz)

51
Strange things going on in China; streets empty in Guangzhou, Shanghai, no pushback to intelligence flights, Siberian land grabs, military hierarchy purges...

Posted by: Auspex at April 09, 2025 05:43 PM (j4U/Z)

52 Wish I had been more awake when I heard this but on checking, the US produces 53% of all pharmaceuticals used in this country.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 09, 2025 05:44 PM (5JBMH)

53 No they do not control all the rare earths that are not that rare and we in fact have plenty here.

Posted by: steevy at April 09, 2025 05:44 PM (KQk9m)

54 China should have always been what this was really all about. Whole world is eager to see China put in a box.

I'll brace for flames, but Trump has folded so many times on tariffs, no one takes it serious anymore. Are you really going to build a factory here when this stuff changes by the hour?

Every time we go down this road, the market implodes, Trump changes his mind, and then markets rebound.
Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 05:33 PM (4pwAx)

I thought you said nobody pays attention, then you say everyone is paying attention

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 05:44 PM (n7h9X)

55 45 I'm all for manufacturing returning to the US but so many potential workers have useless educations, are contemplating their genders or are addicted to something it will be tough
Definite blue collar shortage
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 09, 2025 05:42 PM (6TePA)

Right now, Quest is getting so many applications for $18/hour lab techs that they literally just stop reading and turn folks down and tell them to apply again. I think ALL those folks could handle working at a pharmaceutical manufacturer...we just need one.

Posted by: Nova Local at April 09, 2025 05:44 PM (qnw3j)

56 "Definite blue collar shortage"

In our blue cities not our red hinterlands, I write ironically.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 09, 2025 05:44 PM (Gqoy+)

57 Chess not checkers?

Posted by: Max Power at April 09, 2025 05:45 PM (q177U)

58 Has the media remembered that the stock market is an indicator of nothing except itself yet?

Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at April 09, 2025 05:45 PM (B9Prs)

59 Who controls the Bismuth is all I care.

Posted by: eleven at April 09, 2025 05:45 PM (0HaGk)

60 27 I read your posts, ace.
I'm, not like the others.
Posted by: eleven

Yeah, you've always been special.

Posted by: Auspex at April 09, 2025 05:45 PM (j4U/Z)

61 Wish I had been more awake when I heard this but on checking, the US produces 53% of all pharmaceuticals used in this country.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 09, 2025 05:44 PM (5JBMH)

We sell a lot abroad for discounts while we fund the creation of new drugs to sell abroad for discounts.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 05:45 PM (n7h9X)

62 This Trump guy is really Building Back Better.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at April 09, 2025 05:45 PM (dg+HA)

63 >>>I think China could in fact damage the US economy by refusing to sell basic stuff to us.

They could. But also, we invented everything they make. So hopefully we havent completely lost the institutional knowledge to start making it again.

It's absolutely breathtakingly retarded that we off-shored this stuff in the first place, frankly.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 09, 2025 05:46 PM (uCjyK)

64 The idea is to push manufacturing back into the US. Many companies that had shifter offshore are already on shoring production. For example, pharmaceuticals. US automobile manufacturers also can shift relatively quickly back to the US although some of that is circumstantial.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 09, 2025 05:39 PM (JmM3

That will take years. You cant snap your fingers and a plant is up and running with US suppliers, trained employees, etc ready to go. And no I’m
Not saying don’t do it because it takes years. But in the meantime what do you do if China won’t sell us those thing?

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 09, 2025 05:46 PM (xHYkz)

65 I'm all for manufacturing returning to the US but so many potential workers have useless educations, are contemplating their genders or are addicted to something it will be tough
Definite blue collar shortage
Posted by: Smell the Glove

===

That's reality. There's a bad cultural shift and even if these jobs come back, I don't think Americans want to do them.

I support what Trump is trying to achieve, I just think we're not going to back to some 1950s America with smokestacks. Everyone now wants to be an influencer or trade crypto.

Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 05:46 PM (4pwAx)

66 I think China could in fact damage the US economy by refusing to sell basic stuff to us.

I assume we'd go through a 3rd party until we could rectify the situation. Not great but it is what it is.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 05:47 PM (ExV1e)

67 S&P Posts Its Biggest One-Day Gain In History as Markets Rally
Plus: Is China "In a Box"?

85% of my 401K is in a S&P index.

The other 15% is in Chinese boxes.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 09, 2025 05:47 PM (H/2Ua)

68
Does president ping pong ping not realize we have a billion indians who can do everything the chinese peons can do and do it better?

In addition, we have a billion of other orientals, such as the vietnamese and koreans, who also can produce shit products for us a lot better than china.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 09, 2025 05:47 PM (A1wUB)

69 62 This Trump guy is really Building Back Better.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at April 09, 2025 05:45 PM (dg+HA)

I need someone to build a better back, maybe w/o so much hair.

Posted by: Rachel Ziggly at April 09, 2025 05:47 PM (lg881)

70 Ben Had at April 09, 2025 05:44 PM

I am interested in knowing how much capacity there is to produce the active ingredients of pharmaceuticals here. There should still be some folks around with the capacity to ensure good manufacturing practices for final products.

Posted by: KT at April 09, 2025 05:47 PM (xekrU)

71 Eric Swalwel is a fan of Chinese boxes.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 09, 2025 05:47 PM (UYq9f)

72 @49, 55. Hope so , a solid blue collar middle class is an absolute necessity for a functioning nation

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 09, 2025 05:47 PM (6TePA)

73 For shits & giggles, look up china's history with the Righteous Brothers of the Harmonious Fists.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 09, 2025 05:38 PM (A1wUB)

Germany taking dibs on invading and getting labeled "Huns" for the next 25 years or so...until they got a worse reputation.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 05:47 PM (n7h9X)

74 45 I'm all for manufacturing returning to the US but so many potential workers have useless educations, are contemplating their genders or are addicted to something it will be tough
Definite blue collar shortage
Posted by: Smell the Glove
---

It used to be called OTJ training.
Some work place regulations must be changed giving authority back to the employer (and silly shit eliminated) but the lack of skill can quickly be over come.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 09, 2025 05:48 PM (x057s)

75 A couple of more punches like this to Xi's nads and he won't be keeping face for much longer. He's allegedly had a least one stroke and if it appears he's not up to a trade war, the party might say "denounced"
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 09, 2025 05:32 PM (6TePA)

Has Xi actually said anything? Or have "spokespersons" said things - honest question as I don't know. Asking cuz spokespersons are way easier to disappear than the guy who killed off most of his opposition.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 05:49 PM (ExV1e)

76
This Trump guy is really Building Back Better.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty

lol, Quarter Pounder
Didn't you say something really stupid yesterday? Or am I confusing you with Big Mac?

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 09, 2025 05:49 PM (A1wUB)

77 Ben Had at April 09, 2025 05:44 PM

I am interested in knowing how much capacity there is to produce the active ingredients of pharmaceuticals here. There should still be some folks around with the capacity to ensure good manufacturing practices for final products.
Posted by: KT at April 09, 2025 05:47 PM (xekrU)

Elon himself has the money to buy a plant and move it lock stock and barrel to Kansas while having the old staff train a new one.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 05:49 PM (n7h9X)

78 It's absolutely breathtakingly retarded that we off-shored this stuff in the first place, frankly.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 09, 2025 05:46 PM (uCjyK)

^This. But Clinton cronies got paid and the C-suite suits get mad bonuses so...

Posted by: What's good for Pfizer is good for America at April 09, 2025 05:49 PM (TbWk/)

79 Soothsayer, exactly. There are a lot of other Asian markets that would love to pick up that slack.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 09, 2025 05:49 PM (5JBMH)

80 >> Does president ping pong ping not realize we have a billion indians who can do everything the chinese peons can do and do it better?

Ha ha, no. India’s a total basket case. China’s the workshop of the world. They’re most of the world’s largest trading partner.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 09, 2025 05:49 PM (l3YAf)

81 i put my money where my mouth was and bought some nvidia this morning. yay me

Posted by: gnats local 678 at April 09, 2025 05:49 PM (CWTWj)

82 >>I think China could in fact damage the US economy by refusing to sell basic stuff to us.

The best to to correct this was 25-30 years ago.

The second best time is today.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 09, 2025 05:49 PM (Mx3OA)

83 The US makes practically nothing any more.

We don't need to.
We just get all to the store.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 09, 2025 05:50 PM (H/2Ua)

84 "But is that true? As we found out during covid -- which the government didn't do anything about -- the US makes zero of the basic medicines and precursor chemicals which are then used to manufacture all other medicines.

The US makes practically nothing any more"

This is not completely true, it is a shift in the last 30 years to financialized economy that focuses on money transfers, banking and high end data, with some service work in there, and the people who lost their jobs at the mills and factories living on benefits. Your point about covid is correct -- the US makes nothing, not even basic medicines and precursor chemicals which are then used to manufacture all other medicines.

The US makes practically nothing any more. But to claim there is nothing left, we have to keep living symbiotically with China makes us vulnerable, no matter what China's intentions are. We have to bring manufacturing back, at least at a level that we can live at, and profit from. We shouldn't want to take China's place

This is essential, the re-homing of manufacturing, because the alternative is what you see in every dying town that used to make something. Fentanyl and meth; deaths of despair

Posted by: Kindltot at April 09, 2025 05:50 PM (D7oie)

85 I need someone to build a better back, maybe w/o so much hair.
Posted by: Rachel Ziggly at April 09, 2025 05:47 PM (lg881)

Honey, that's what depilatories and lat pull-downs are for.

Posted by: Michelle Obama at April 09, 2025 05:50 PM (PiwSw)

86 "But if CNN is going to put up minute-by-minute chyrons about the market when it's going down, then I'm going to counter by flooding the zone when it's going up."

Admit it. You're only doing this due to your sycophantic love for Trump. And hatred for the media.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 05:50 PM (ExV1e)

87 Not to sound like Swallwell but I wouldn't turn my nose up at some Chinese box.

Posted by: Just saying at April 09, 2025 05:50 PM (TbWk/)

88 45 I'm all for manufacturing returning to the US but so many potential workers have useless educations, are contemplating their genders or are addicted to something it will be tough
Definite blue collar shortage
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 09, 2025 05:42 PM (6TePA)

Well that sounds very much like an "us" problem doesn't it.

If we as a society fucked up so badly that we sent our children to get $120k in debt on a worthless degree, and they are so retarded they can't be trained how to operate manufacturing robots, we'd better figure out a way to fix that.

Unless the solution is to offshore all jobs, import people from India and China to do our white collar jobs, and replace all remaining blue color careers with Central Americans.

Which is not an acceptable solution to me, or I would hazard to guess, most of the Old Americans.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 09, 2025 05:50 PM (uCjyK)

89 At the end, big tax cut . . . on the backs of the American people????

https://x.com/walterkirn/status/1910073627451724245
Posted by: KT at April 09, 2025 05:40 PM (xekrU)
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The guy was really unhinged. Wouldn't even let the trade ambassador answer any questions

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 09, 2025 05:50 PM (tT6L1)

90 tuimtkk77
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
......

What's with the vowels?

Posted by: wth at April 09, 2025 05:51 PM (v0R5T)

91 Had enough, Americans? This trade war has quadrupled the cost of our fentanyl. Vote Dem in '26!

Posted by: Hunter Biden at April 09, 2025 05:51 PM (NXYp1)

92 I thought you said nobody pays attention, then you say everyone is paying attention
Posted by: Oldcat
==

I'm saying the business community is not taking it seriously.

If you were thinking of making a billion dollar commitment to US manufacturing, but a few days of the stock market going own means the whole tax regime changes and the President changes their mind, it will be put on hold. This has happened several times already and it's only been a few months.

That's just being rational. It's not a left vs right political argument.

Come up with a plan and stick with it if you really want to see things change. And come up with tariffs that arent insane that nobody believes will actually stock around.

This 104% tariff for China will be taken away in a few weeks, guaranteed.

Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 05:51 PM (4pwAx)

93 China, which uses coal for energy, further is trying to use that energy - and citric acid - to get rare earths off the ash:
"Rare earth elements recovery and mechanisms from coal fly ash by column leaching using citric acid"
Maybe we should do some of that.

Posted by: gKWVE at April 09, 2025 05:51 PM (gKWVE)

94 How can we get by without melamine based infant formula and McDonalds happy meals without a sh!tty shiny toy that ends up in a landfill. HOW?

Posted by: 13times at April 09, 2025 05:51 PM (0RvR1)

95 KT, our very own NaCly Dog can answer that question.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 09, 2025 05:52 PM (5JBMH)

96 ... we'll read your posts. Deal?
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 09, 2025 05:35 PM (A1wUB)

Hey, hey, hey... let's not get crazy here.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 05:52 PM (ExV1e)

97 >>>I am interested in knowing how much capacity there is to produce the active ingredients of pharmaceuticals here. There should still be some folks around with the capacity to ensure good manufacturing practices for final products.
Posted by: KT
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Musk built a working factory in one year that architects agreed would take at least 3 to 5 years. Judging from the number of engineers that volunteered for DOGE we have ample brain power to get job done they simply need the freedom and incentive to do it.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 09, 2025 05:52 PM (x057s)

98 I've been banging this drum for months:

I broke with orthodox free trade doctrine long ago and became a mercantilist. America first, baby!

Pure free trade says I should be a Nietzchean monad and always buy cheap for my own benefit, fuck my American neighbor. But when my American neighbor doesn't have a job, I wind up paying in all sorts of ways.

We've implemented policies over the years that have hollowed out our industrial base with adverse consequences for huge swathes of Americans. It's like upstate versus downstate New York writ large. Inflation adjusted wages for our working class have been flat for over 50 years, while everyone else has gained. C-suite executives especially. Things you don't learn in microeconomics.

The poster child for this is GE's Jack Welch, who led the charge to outsource. Hey Jack, you want to save a dime on making a light bulb, build your own navy. [Jack's success at GE was actually about "leveraging light bulbs"-- more on that later]

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 09, 2025 05:52 PM (Gqoy+)

99 "Rare earth elements recovery and mechanisms from coal fly ash by column leaching using citric acid"
Maybe we should do some of that.
Posted by: gKWVE at April 09, 2025 05:51 PM (gKWVE)
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Already looked at here. Insty had the article a couple of weeks ago.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 09, 2025 05:53 PM (tT6L1)

100 I think China could in fact damage the US economy by refusing to sell basic stuff to us.

I assume we'd go through a 3rd party until we could rectify the situation. Not great but it is what it is.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 05:47 PM (ExV1e)

Biden and the EU geniuses had Russian Tankers sail to some random port, have some shipping labels changed and the price hiked and sail to the US and EU just because they were too embarrassed to know they screwed up. Having a 99 cent cable cost three bucks isn't any harder by buying direct, nor is bribing someone to buy for us and do the same as the tankers did.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 05:53 PM (n7h9X)

101 i put my money where my mouth was and bought some nvidia this morning. yay me
Posted by: gnats local 678

I did NOT tell you to do that!

Posted by: Jim Cramer Investment Club and media personality at April 09, 2025 05:53 PM (v0R5T)

102 I do my best to say something stupid every day.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at April 09, 2025 05:53 PM (dg+HA)

103 we should really set an an example for the world and raise our minimum wage to 22 dollars an hour. let pin zing xi shrug that off

Posted by: gnats local 678 at April 09, 2025 05:53 PM (CWTWj)

104 I have bitched at people recently that the people dying of despair and knowledge of their loss of potential in the world to do something is not the fate of tech bros who invested well and live in Puerto Rico for tax purposes.
They are the ones killing the pain while living in the same towns where their parents had actual jobs and could afford houses, and they get blamed because there is nothing for them to do but move to the big city and work at flipping burgers among the illegal aliens.
Or not, and live on disability, or just do drugs.

Puerto Rico is nice this time of year I am told.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 09, 2025 05:53 PM (D7oie)

105 Unfortunately, my Packard Automobile stock did not participate in the rally. And my Austro-Hungarian war bonds hit a new low.

Maybe I should diversify. What are Blockbuster preferreds going for these days?

Posted by: Paco at April 09, 2025 05:54 PM (mADJX)

106 One thing Trump can say is "look, last year we bought $50 billion of your stuff, but you only bought $5 billion of our stuff. Our goal is to make this more equitable - say you import $10 billion instead? " You keep doing that for every country - the U.S is then exporting hundreds of billions more than we were. That export comes out of someone else's hide...China.

By making a deal with us, they are going to make a deal to buy more of our stuff. meaning they don't buy from someone else. That is what trump is driving toward. It's why he sees a huge trade imbalance and wants tariffs on the imbalance. To avoid the tariffs, they have to buy more from us and reduce the imbalance. It's a no-lose strategy and leverages the huge market power the U.S. has.

Europe and Canada stupidly assumed they could bully the U.S. right back. But...it doesn't work for them.

Posted by: El Mariachi at April 09, 2025 05:54 PM (gDhA9)

107 >But in the meantime what do you do if China won’t sell us those thing?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 09, 2025 05:46 PM (xHYkz)

I guess light our hair on fire and run around screaming. Why bother trying to fix things? Nothing ever happens.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at April 09, 2025 05:54 PM (KBuBK)

108 Does president ping pong ping not realize we have a billion indians who can do everything the chinese peons can do and do it better?

In addition, we have a billion of other orientals, such as the vietnamese and koreans, who also can produce shit products for us a lot better than china.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 09, 2025 05:47 PM (A1wUB)

India is not going to be the solution here. They have an average IQ of 76, are more corrupt than Ukraine, can't keep electricity on in their major cities, much less in rural areas, and have a very obstinate culture who think they're smarter than everyone else and scoff at western ideas like shitting in a toilet and using toilet paper, preferring to shit in the streets and splash water in their asses.

Vietnam could work though. In the interim.

Preferably, we bring back even the "shitty" manufacturing jobs to the US. (in the US, these jobs would largely be done by robots anyways. And the people running the robots would likely get paid pretty well, even if the robots only make cheap widgets.)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 09, 2025 05:54 PM (uCjyK)

109 Do you turn it upside down first? Is that the trick?

Posted by: The Honorable Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez at April 09, 2025 05:55 PM (PiwSw)

110 Our “leaders” sold us out a long, long time ago. Some of us have been paying attention the entire time.

The fact this will be difficult, is immaterial. We cannot stay on this path, it doesn’t mean we surrender, or act like Republicans. Bad news does not get better with time.

Posted by: Common Tater at April 09, 2025 05:55 PM (DckQo)

111 The Chinese chose to play hardball.

A long time ago.

The Chinese economy is in the weakest state it’s been in since the 1980s.

To fight the deflation eating away at the economy by keeping jobs intact they’ve flooded the world with cheap products.

They have so much overcapacity in their manufacturing sector they have no choice but to keep turning the hamster wheel to prevent a crash.

A lot of the world is angry at China for taking their jobs, too. It’s not just us.

The only option the CCP has is to devalue their currency further which will make everything more expensive for the Chinese people who are already not spending, but will make their goods even cheaper on the global market.

They do not know their enemy.
And we all know what Sun Tzu thought about that situation.

Trump is trying to push the CCP over the cliff.
They’re helping him do it.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at April 09, 2025 05:55 PM (6ydKt)

112 There are a lot of naysayers.
I remember that queer Tim Cook explaining that the US could not do what China does because we have no support industries, like fasteners to make screws for his iphone.

Why do you think that is, Tim?

No matter how it happens, it will be painful to many businesses to reshore. The alternative is not an option though. It is best to do this now (during peacetime) than after China declares war, and maybe if we remove their leverage we can avoid that totally.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 09, 2025 05:55 PM (Mx3OA)

113
tuimtkk77
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
......

What's with the vowels?
Posted by: wth

=============

It's a free-flowing, unpredictable, fresh technique that eschews tedious labor and hard planning that enslaves the spirit, something akin to spin-painting or tie-dyeing. You get what you get.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 09, 2025 05:55 PM (rxe17)

114 The US makes practically nothing any more.

We have the tranny market cornered.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 09, 2025 05:39 PM (63Dwl)

*Thailand saunters into the chat*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Dammit! We need more sashayers in here!
Posted by: Thai Choreographer

Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2025 05:56 PM (TBCjf)

115 we should really set an an example for the world and raise our minimum wage to 22 dollars an hour. let pin zing xi shrug that off
Posted by: gnats local 678 at April 09, 2025 05:53 PM (CWTWj)

The Chinese economy is focused on manufacturing for export, and getting the locals to save money because there is not a lot locally to buy. They also have capital controls to prevent their money from fleeing overseas, and no one who has a lick of sense trusts the Chinese banks, so they invest in gold. Which the government holds for them.
If the export grinds to a halt, then the the whole game starts to come apart.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 09, 2025 05:56 PM (D7oie)

116 I broke with orthodox free trade doctrine long ago and became a mercantilist. America first, baby!

===

I'm there with you, but it really takes a long term commitment. You also have to do it in a way that doesn't hit consumers with price shocks.

I'd like more carrot and less stick.

Like the idea of letting someone write off the interest on a car loan if its american made? That's brilliant. That would absolutely pull production here.

Putting a 25% tariff on every single foreign car over night? That's just going to piss consumers off. It would also take years to get those factories built.

Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 05:56 PM (4pwAx)

117 >> we have to keep living symbiotically with China makes us vulnerable, no matter what China's intentions are

I don’t think anyone but trolls are making that argument.

I think most everyone here wants to reshore manufacturing. It’s just a question of “How?” and “Is that feasible?”

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 09, 2025 05:56 PM (l3YAf)

118 re 101: forgot where i saw this but someone the other day said you usually can't go wrong listening to cramer and doing the opposite

Posted by: gnats local 678 at April 09, 2025 05:56 PM (CWTWj)

119 How can we get by without melamine based infant formula and McDonalds happy meals without a sh!tty shiny toy that ends up in a landfill. HOW?
Posted by: 13times at April 09, 2025 05:51 PM (0RvR1)

Put together enough think tanks and within a decade we will have our OWN crappy toys!

In Russia when McD fled, a group took it over and redid some things. The Happy Meal toy was a series of small books. Some desserts were changed to be more Russiany. Its doing well under its new situation.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 05:56 PM (n7h9X)

120
The Chinese chose to play hardball.

A long time ago.

Posted by: SpeakingOf

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Hmm. The Chinese chose to avoid the legitimate game and cheat like hell a long time ago.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 09, 2025 05:57 PM (rxe17)

121 The Chinese chose to play hardball.

A long time ago.
......

Phew. At least it wasn't ping-pong.

Posted by: wth at April 09, 2025 05:57 PM (v0R5T)

122 To really understand the manufacturing issue look where we are going not where we are. The future is not humans sewing clothes in a sweatshop, it's people running robots that do the sewing.

We are rapidly approaching a world of AI and robots. Not R2D2 robots, robots that can do basic, repetitive tasks cheaper and frankly better than humans. We need humans to run the robots not to run sewing machines.

How many times have you heard Trump talk about the need for massive growth in the production of electricity to support AI? Just today he signed an EO to jump start the US coal industry. We need multiples of the amount of power we product today. Trump is investing in the future of manufacturing because that will be the next global super power.

A new industrial age is coming at us fast. The winner will either be China which is rushing to win the war in AI and robots or the US. Elon isn't hanging around Trump just for DOGE.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 09, 2025 05:57 PM (LkLld)

123 "Do you turn it upside down first? Is that the trick?
Posted by: The Honorable Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez "

Sandy, I think you use it like a suppository.

Posted by: eleven at April 09, 2025 05:57 PM (0HaGk)

124 85 I need someone to build a better back, maybe w/o so much hair.
Posted by: Rachel Ziggly at April 09, 2025 05:47 PM (lg881)

Honey, that's what depilatories and lat pull-downs are for.
Posted by: Michelle Obama at April 09, 2025 05:50 PM (PiwSw)

Almost spit out my water, lol.

Posted by: Rachel Ziggly at April 09, 2025 05:57 PM (lg881)

125 Putting a 25% tariff on every single foreign car over night? That's just going to piss consumers off. It would also take years to get those factories built.
Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 05:56 PM (4pwAx)

Not if they buy American it won't.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 05:57 PM (n7h9X)

126 I think it's bullshit that Americans don't want to work. They don't want to work for an exploitative, zero sum system where they can never get ahead even when working hard. Restore some balance to this bloodsucking, rent extracting system and the desire will come back.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at April 09, 2025 05:58 PM (KBuBK)

127 Present !

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2025 05:58 PM (g47mK)

128 > 41 Does anybody know how this shampoo bottle works?
Posted by: The Honorable Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez at April 09, 2025 05:41 PM (PiwSw)

Pay special attention to the part that says "not for internal use".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 09, 2025 05:58 PM (W5ArC)

129 *Thailand saunters into the chat*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 09, 2025 05:40 PM (xcxpd)

We make up the difference in volume.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 09, 2025 05:59 PM (eQO/Z)

130 The Chinese chose to play hardball.

A long time ago.

Posted by: SpeakingOf

That's not cricket!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 09, 2025 06:00 PM (L/fGl)

131 JackStraw, Amen.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 09, 2025 06:00 PM (5JBMH)

132 110 Our “leaders” sold us out a long, long time ago. Some of us have been paying attention the entire time.

The fact this will be difficult, is immaterial. We cannot stay on this path, it doesn’t mean we surrender, or act like Republicans. Bad news does not get better with time.
Posted by: Common Tater at April 09, 2025 05:55 PM (DckQo)

Nah, it's just that this generation is lazy.

Posted by: Kidding. at April 09, 2025 06:00 PM (TbWk/)

133 A Democrat representative from Nevada is also in a box. Or a bunker.

At the end, big tax cut . . . on the backs of the American people????

https://x.com/walterkirn/status/1910073627451724245
Posted by: KT at April 09, 2025 05:40 PM (xekrU)

Sounds like some of the commenters here.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 06:00 PM (ExV1e)

134 re 102: nice to know kamala is posting here

Posted by: gnats local 678 at April 09, 2025 06:00 PM (CWTWj)

135 Sandy, I think you use it like a suppository.
Posted by: eleven at April 09, 2025 05:57 PM (0HaGk)
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You may need to break down "suppository" into smaller words.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 09, 2025 06:00 PM (tT6L1)

136 >>After all this blather about how great tariffs would be, how they place main street above wall street, etc they were in place for HALF A DAY

And yet they worked. 75+ countries are now lined up to renegotiate their trade agreements with the US. That was always the goal.

Tariffs were never the goal, redoing the worldwide trade economy was. And you're right, it only took Trump half a day.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 09, 2025 06:00 PM (LkLld)

137 There is only one thing to do - Make America Healthy Again!

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2025 06:01 PM (g47mK)

138 It's a free-flowing, unpredictable, fresh technique that eschews tedious labor and hard planning that enslaves the spirit, something akin to spin-painting or tie-dyeing. You get what you get.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
.....

You should host seminars.

Posted by: wth at April 09, 2025 06:01 PM (v0R5T)

139 Sean Davis
@seanmdav
A bunch of idiots who spent the last 30 years telling you why it was good for all our stuff to be made in China and why it was fine to hollow out American manufacturing and why nothing trade-wise needed to be renegotiated are now trying to convince you that they�re the real experts on trade negotiations.

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Most people knew that outsourcing was dangerously but what did we know? Apparently we were right. As for drugs manufacturing, I believe Europe and India make more than China but I suppose we will soon find out.

Posted by: Decaf at April 09, 2025 06:01 PM (unUNN)

140 Hmm. The Chinese chose to avoid the legitimate game and cheat like hell a long time ago.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 09, 2025 05:57 PM (rxe17)

Well when you have a mass of buisnessmen running around with kick me signs trying to force their IPs into your pockets, its hard to resist.

I saw that coming a mile off in 1990s. "Hey, lets start with the group with the dumbest economic philosophy that hates our country poisonously. We give them our IP and surely out of fairness they will make us all rich forever!

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:01 PM (n7h9X)

141 I need a drink.

Posted by: Old Lady Emhoff at April 09, 2025 06:01 PM (dg+HA)

142 Not if they buy American it won't.
Posted by: Oldcat

===

Americans don't want to buy American cars, that's why the companies keep going bankrupt and have to be bailed out by the taxpayer.

You can thank the UAW for that. They still make a crap product.

Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 06:01 PM (4pwAx)

143

They do not know their enemy.
And we all know what Sun Tzu thought about that situation.

Trump is trying to push the CCP over the cliff.
They’re helping him do it.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at April 09, 2025 05:55 PM (6ydKt)

Totally agree.
China is fighting the last war…..wait, China has not had to fight ANY wars as the world and USA have acquiesced to China getting their way for a long (too long) a time.
China cannot and will not play by any rules partially because no one has ever insisted they do so for any length of time.
The Orange Man knows his enemy. He will defeat China ….with one caveat—the Congress and media are OWNED by China—-and they may hinder/defeat Trump. Congress rarely misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Posted by: Voter theater. at April 09, 2025 06:01 PM (FCPbW)

144 Putting a 25% tariff on every single foreign car over night? That's just going to piss consumers off. It would also take years to get those factories built.
Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 05:56 PM (4pwAx)

Building a wall on the border was too expensive, would take too much time, and is too invasive of peoples' right to travel also.

But not opposed to the consequences of not doing it.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 09, 2025 06:01 PM (D7oie)

145 In the past, trading partners relied on weak Presidents to box *us* in.

They knew that any threats we made were not serious because no President was willing to pay the political cost of doing what was right for the USA.

Even if the tariffs were 10 hr. wonders, they served their purpose of showing our trade partners that Donnie DGAF.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 09, 2025 06:01 PM (Mx3OA)

146 https://x.com/walterkirn/status/1910073627451724245

Also, just once, I'd like to see someone at one of these hearings to say, "hey, jackass, you may be an elected representative but if you can't treat me with the respect I deserve then you can go fuck yourself".

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 06:02 PM (ExV1e)

147 115 The US makes practically nothing any more.

We have the tranny market cornered.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 09, 2025 05:39 PM (63Dwl)

*Thailand saunters into the chat*
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Dammit! We need more sashayers in here!
Posted by: Thai Choreographer
Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2025 05:56 PM (TBCjf)

Except actual Thai ladyboys eschew the "transsexual" label. So I've heard.

Posted by: No personal knowledge involved. Shut up. at April 09, 2025 06:02 PM (TbWk/)

148 I'm all for manufacturing returning to the US but so many potential workers have useless educations, are contemplating their genders or are addicted to something it will be tough
Definite blue collar shortage
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 09, 2025 05:42 PM (6TePA)

It would help if a mans total value wasn't in his income.
It would help if we all admitted there's a dignity to work of any kind, and a man isn't lesser for using his hands.
The disdain and disgust people, but women in the dating pool particularly, have for blue collar men is at least part of the reason you have folks who'd rather do nothing than work with their hands.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 09, 2025 06:02 PM (FCbAQ)

149
Maybe I should diversify. What are Blockbuster preferreds going for these days?
Posted by: Paco

CRAWDAD common

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 09, 2025 06:02 PM (63Dwl)

150 The poster child for this is GE's Jack Welch, who led the charge to outsource. Hey Jack, you want to save a dime on making a light bulb, build your own navy. [Jack's success at GE was actually about "leveraging light bulbs"-- more on that later]

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 09, 2025 05:52 PM (Gqoy+)

———

And the savings didn’t go to the consumers with lower prices. Most of the benefit went to the already rich.

So our large navy to “maintain the freedom of the seas” was mainly to the benefit of the wealthy.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 09, 2025 06:02 PM (UMMMY)

151 I think most everyone here wants to reshore manufacturing. It’s just a question of “How?” and “Is that feasible?”
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 09, 2025 05:56 PM (l3YAf)

For what it's worth, I don't necessarily think that's true here or among conservatives in general.

There's a whole group of people who always have reasons why "x" can't be done. E.g., deportation of illegals. Some of those may have actual objections to this or that particular. But plenty just object to the goal, and assemble objections to particulars as needed. The "yes, but we must do it the right way" crowd often doesn't want to do it al all.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 09, 2025 06:02 PM (guCHD)

152 Trump has certainly isolated china in regards to unfair trade practices. Now we get to see how far they will go to hang themselves.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 09, 2025 06:03 PM (e5NfL)

153 > 87 Not to sound like Swallwell but I wouldn't turn my nose up at some Chinese box.
Posted by: Just saying at April 09, 2025 05:50 PM (TbWk/)

La Choy makes Chinese box....
Swing American!

Posted by: Fang Fang Gang Bang Wang Dang Sweet Poontang at April 09, 2025 06:03 PM (W5ArC)

154 Tariffs were never the goal, redoing the worldwide trade economy was. And you're right, it only took Trump half a day.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 09, 2025 06:00 PM (LkLld)

I remember 20 years of people moaning about ending welfare as we know it and all it took was a cigar inside a young intern and it all went away.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:03 PM (n7h9X)

155 I mentioned bringing manufacturing back to the US is one of PDT’s goals in all this and liberals argue that no American will want to work in a factory. Those jobs are for the brown people we are getting rid of! Who wants a FACTORY job?

Snotty, pretentious assholes they are.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 09, 2025 06:03 PM (gZrF5)

156 re 123: and where do you get the coal miners when they all learned to code and left?

Posted by: gnats local 678 at April 09, 2025 06:03 PM (CWTWj)

157 Duane Benson at Hot Air: "With other countries, we'll be in a much more equitable place."

So here is Trump trying to get some equity, yet the lefties don't like it. It's almost like they have their own definition of what's equitable. Hmmmm....

Posted by: haffhowershower at April 09, 2025 06:03 PM (NMT5x)

158 dumbest economic philosophy that hates our country poisonously.

-
Western Lensman@WesternLensman
Sunny Hostin: Other countries can’t trust the US, because Americans might elect a dictator every four years.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 09, 2025 06:04 PM (L/fGl)

159 Even if the tariffs were 10 hr. wonders, they served their purpose of showing our trade partners that Donnie DGAF.
Posted by: bob

Yeah. That 10 hour tariff wasn't because Trump folded.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2025 06:04 PM (TBCjf)

160 > Now Trump is transparent and looks like he folds faster than superman on laundry day.
Posted by: FunkySeeFunkyDo at April 09, 2025 06:02 PM (JXyy5)

OK, Eeyore.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 09, 2025 06:04 PM (W5ArC)

161 Snotty, pretentious assholes they are.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 09, 2025 06:03 PM (gZrF5)
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Hey nurse!

yeah, some people are perfectly happy to go to a job which isn't much more complicated than loading material into a machine which punches out widgets all day, because, in the end, they can leave work at work.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 09, 2025 06:05 PM (tT6L1)

162
https://x.com/walterkirn/status/1910073627451724245

Also, just once, I'd like to see someone at one of these hearings to say, "hey, jackass, you may be an elected representative but if you can't treat me with the respect I deserve then you can go fuck yourself".
Posted by: I used to have a different nic

That would be racist!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 09, 2025 06:05 PM (63Dwl)

163 Sunny Hostin: Other countries can’t trust the US, because Americans might elect a dictator every four years.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

She really needs to shut her cock holster. She shows the world daily just how stupid she is.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2025 06:05 PM (TBCjf)

164 China controls 80-90% of rare earths. They stop exporting that we’re fucked.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 09, 2025 05:43 PM (xHYkz)

Or.... we could start mining the material we have in this country. The rare earth minerals are found everywhere. Most places don't want to mine them.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 06:06 PM (ExV1e)

165 Putting a 25% tariff on every single foreign car over night? That's just going to piss consumers off. It would also take years to get those factories built.
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They're largely already built, Do you know how many of the big name "foreign" car builders have factories here in the US?

Posted by: Crusader at April 09, 2025 06:06 PM (TN0g+)

166
Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 05:46 PM (4pwAx)

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All of this, you and Smell the Glove. When Trump first proposed tariffs and eliminating the income tax, I read an analysis that said it could succeed, BUT -- only if Americans are willing to get back to work.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 09, 2025 06:06 PM (rxe17)

167 So if you have stuck with the stock market for the last five years you are up by 71% even with the *crash*. Heck just in the last year you are still up by 4%.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 09, 2025 06:06 PM (e5NfL)

168 Not if they buy American it won't.
Posted by: Oldcat

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Americans don't want to buy American cars, that's why the companies keep going bankrupt and have to be bailed out by the taxpayer.

You can thank the UAW for that. They still make a crap product.
Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 06:01 PM (4pwAx)

Then who gives a shit what they think if they are that illogical. If you buy a luxury car, the expense is the point and tariffs won't matter.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:06 PM (n7h9X)

169 > Oh plz...what leverage does he have to negotiate with them if he gave up unilaterally?

"Pausing" is not "giving up".

> Why target them in the first place and not just go straight to talks?

Because it got their attention. I guarantee they'll be more docile at the negotiating table now.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 09, 2025 06:07 PM (W5ArC)

170 You can thank the UAW for that. They still make a crap product.
Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 06:01 PM (4pwAx)

I'm beginning to think you don't know what you're talking about.
It's not the assemblers who decide to cheap out on a gasket or the grade of a bolt to save a nickel. It's not the production guy/gal who decides how many seconds of dip for rust protection the body gets, or how much actual paint makes it onto the car. Or what electrical insulation the wiring gets.
A nickel here and a nickel there, pretty soon you're talking about a low milage junker.
But UAW...

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 09, 2025 06:07 PM (FCbAQ)

171 We don't have to have sewing swearshops. Just get rid of the stupid rules preventing people from setting up shop at home. I already get clothes from a woman with a sewing business in the US.

Reducing regulations and encouraging small businesses will help with some of the issues.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 09, 2025 06:07 PM (cvWHI)

172 But in the meantime what do you do if China won’t sell us those thing?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 09, 2025 05:46 PM (xHYkz)

Intermediaries.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 06:08 PM (ExV1e)

173 So, CNN, does today's one-day gain mean Donald Trump is now the greatest thing ever?

Posted by: t-bird at April 09, 2025 06:08 PM (4XbCD)

174 The market tanked, and trump folded like a cheap suit. It was embarrassing.
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Get thicker skin. How is getting 50+ nations to come to Trump to renegotiate trade terms "embarrassing"? How is that issue even *yours* to be embarrassed about?

Posted by: Crusader at April 09, 2025 06:08 PM (TN0g+)

175 Trump has given Xi numerous chances to save face and make a deal.

But the Chinese are past saving face and trying to save their own asses.

Now Trump is going to make them grovel.
He’s going to make the confess to all the dirty deeds they’ve been up to the past decade or more.

From IP theft, copying, Fentanyl distribution, to COVID, just to start.

Trump wants it all now.
When they could’ve made it easier on themselves by just sitting down and making a deal they chose to get muscular instead.

Trump told them we’re making a big mistake by retaliating with their own tariffs.

But the Chinese being the Chinese Communist Party they are decided to try to intimidate their way through this.

They are now living in interesting times.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at April 09, 2025 06:09 PM (6ydKt)

176 >>Oh plz...what leverage does he have to negotiate with them if he gave up unilaterally? Why target them in the first place and not just go straight to talks?

>>The market tanked, and trump folded like a cheap suit. It was embarrassing.

You're embarrassing yourself. The market skyrocketed today after Trump announced a pause, not an end, a pause with a 10% immediate baseline tariff because according to his Sec of the Treasury 75+ countries are lined up to renegotiate. Vietnam is on the clock right now. Why don't you ask them what leverage Trump has to get the deal done if it's not obvious why the largest economy in the world has leverage over a relatively tiny economy.

This is dumb. The US always has had the leverage we just didn't use it. Now we are.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 09, 2025 06:09 PM (LkLld)

177 The disdain and disgust people, but women in the dating pool particularly, have for blue collar men is at least part of the reason you have folks who'd rather do nothing than work with their hands.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 09, 2025 06:02 PM (FCbAQ)

I did not marry DH for his bank account. I married him because I love him madly. He has worked as a garbage collector, a carpenter, a bartender, a professional bowler (briefly), and the fact that he grew into a professional job later in life does not change a single thing about how I love him.

I suspect the dating pool you are speaking about is full of women with whom you have nothing in common. Look farther afield.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 09, 2025 06:09 PM (eQO/Z)

178 We still have another 15% to go before our retirement accounts are back where they were two weeks ago, but I don't care. Or, put another way, I am confident we will get there and more as this national effort to reclaim our economy plays out.

Trump is doing something of critical importance to the country, and we have to win back our manufacturing base as a matter of national security. Congress needs to get behind Trump and pass his tax bill, and even augment it with tax breaks for companies making critical products. Make America Great Again!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 09, 2025 06:09 PM (UjVYr)

179 China controls 80-90% of rare earths. They stop exporting that we’re fucked.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 09, 2025 05:43 PM (xHYkz)

Or.... we could start mining the material we have in this country. The rare earth minerals are found everywhere. Most places don't want to mine them.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 06:06 PM (ExV1e)

yeah, we've NIMBY'd a lot of production to kowtow to marxist eco freaks who hate us. Drawing a circle in the North American or N and S America and living on that wealth suits me fine.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:09 PM (n7h9X)

180 China controls 80-90% of rare earths. They stop exporting that we’re fucked.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 09, 2025 05:43 PM (xHYkz)

Or.... we could start mining the material we have in this country. The rare earth minerals are found everywhere. Most places don't want to mine them.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 06:06 PM

All Trump has to do is rescind a bunch of obama/biden rules from the EPA and we could be mining rare earths within a few months. However, a hawaiin judge will shut that down before the first shovel full of dirt has been moved.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 09, 2025 06:10 PM (e5NfL)

181 > Not saying don’t do it because it takes years. But in the meantime what do you do if China won’t sell us those thing?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 09, 2025 05:46 PM (xHYkz)

If they stop selling us trinkets made of plastic and top-grade Chinesium, we stop selling them food.

Guess where trouble will occur first.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 09, 2025 06:10 PM (W5ArC)

182
She really needs to shut her cock holster. She shows the world daily just how stupid she is.
Posted by: rickb223

Why would she shut up? She's well paid and all her friends call her smart!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 09, 2025 06:10 PM (63Dwl)

183 "Because it got their attention. I guarantee they'll be more docile at the negotiating table now."

As Bobby Knight would say, grab them by their dicks and their hearts and minds will follow.

Trump's actual gamble was taking the risk that he could create fissures among nations. He's already done so.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 09, 2025 06:10 PM (Gqoy+)

184 China controls 80-90% of rare earths. They stop exporting that we’re fucked.

Can you eat rare earths? They'll sell.

Posted by: t-bird at April 09, 2025 06:10 PM (4XbCD)

185 So bringing jobs back to the USA is on hold now??

Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 09, 2025 06:10 PM (/tzYP)

186
If they stop selling us trinkets made of plastic and top-grade Chinesium, we stop selling them food.

Guess where trouble will occur first.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia

American agro-business

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 09, 2025 06:11 PM (63Dwl)

187 > We don't have to have sewing swearshops.
Posted by: Notsothoreau

God knows I make plenty of typos of my own, but this one made me LOL.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 09, 2025 06:11 PM (W5ArC)

188 Ok, quickly , what is 2 BILLION X 365 ????

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2025 06:11 PM (g47mK)

189 127 I think it's bullshit that Americans don't want to work. They don't want to work for an exploitative, zero sum system where they can never get ahead even when working hard. Restore some balance to this bloodsucking, rent extracting system and the desire will come back.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at April 09, 2025 05:58 PM (KBuBK)

100%. And this dismissive Boomer attitude of "well, you fucked up. You trusted us. Silly snowflakes!" needs to stop.

It's only making the problem worse.

If kids internalize that message... well, that's the end of the culture, isn't it?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 09, 2025 06:11 PM (uCjyK)

190 I get all my dating advice from Catfish: The TV Show, 90 Day Fiance and, of course, AoSHQ.

Posted by: wth at April 09, 2025 06:11 PM (v0R5T)

191 Wall Street UP!!!!
Scott Lincicome @scottlincicome 3h
Really bad day for Main Street, I guess. Sad.

Jeff Dehner @jdehner4 4h
How many people in the administration bought the dip this morning?

unusual_whales @unusual_whales 24m
Trump: I was thinking about tariff pause last few days...I didn't know the tariff pause would have that market impact.

For reference, yesterday a rumor of a Tariff pause caused the market to have the biggest point reversal EVER.

Duck™ @duckthis5hit 1h
Yesterday was just a test to see the reaction. What a joke.

Anthony Sandford @AnthonySandford 1h
Translation: Let’s tank the market so my rich friends can buy the dip then I’ll pause tariffs.

unusual_whales @unusual_whales 59m
Donald Trump a few minutes ago: "We're having a good day in the stock market...the record day in the market should continue"
For reference, this was the largest point moves EVER to the upside in the DOW, Nasdaq, and S&P 500 $SPY.
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And just like that, rich people were great again.

Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 09, 2025 06:12 PM (/tzYP)

192 3/4 Trillion or there abouts, amirite ?

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2025 06:12 PM (g47mK)

193 This is dumb. The US always has had the leverage we just didn't use it. Now we are.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 09, 2025 06:09 PM (LkLld)

Look, even without economics if we just exit NATO and go home the entire EU experience is totally screwed and they have decades to recover with 0 population growth.

Without our big stick they are nothing.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:12 PM (n7h9X)

194 Or.... we could start mining the material we have in this country. The rare earth minerals are found everywhere. Most places don't want to mine them.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 06:06 PM (ExV1e)

We have them up here. If the Lower 48 would stop treating us like their personal parkland, we could supply them easily.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 09, 2025 06:12 PM (eQO/Z)

195 > American agro-business
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 09, 2025 06:11 PM (63Dwl)

Having to renegotiate your bank loans isn't quite as bad as having nothing to eat.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 09, 2025 06:12 PM (W5ArC)

196 189 So bringing jobs back to the USA is on hold now??
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 09, 2025 06:10 PM (/tzYP)

I'm nervous. I really hope not.

IF the plan is to corner China, who is by far the worst offender, while also making things marginally less worse with other trading partners... fine.

Rome wasn't built in a day.

But also, Trump is only president for 4 years. So...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 09, 2025 06:13 PM (uCjyK)

197 Ok, quickly , what is 2 BILLION X 365 ????
Posted by: runner
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Ow, my balls... er, brains!

Posted by: wth at April 09, 2025 06:13 PM (v0R5T)

198 But UAW...
Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 09, 2025 06:07 PM (FCbAQ)

I dunno, the UAW seems to suck, as most unions do. I’ve heard many horror stories and have watched unions destroy other sectors of the economy.

The non-union American factories seem to do a better job. I’d rather have a Toyota made in the American south than a GM shitbox made in Michigan.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 09, 2025 06:13 PM (l3YAf)

199 They're largely already built, Do you know how many of the big name "foreign" car builders have factories here in the US?
Posted by: Crusader
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I keep seeing this repeated, but it's clear they don't understand manufacturing. There are components that are assembled in the US, but only parts.

Mercedes for example builds engine and transmissions in Germany, then ships them to Alabama to put in the car.

It's not like there's a switch you throw and engines start getting made. It would be several years minimum before a Mercedes plant could be up and running making engines in Alabama. Just the permits would probably take several years.

Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 06:13 PM (4pwAx)

200 That's about as much as Disney could lose and still remain in business.

Posted by: eleven at April 09, 2025 06:13 PM (0HaGk)

201 And just like that, rich people were great again.
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 09, 2025 06:12 PM (/tzYP)

The ones who never do what Trump says and have been stealing from USAID for years might be in a different situation.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:14 PM (n7h9X)

202 191 > We don't have to have sewing swearshops.
Posted by: Notsothoreau

God knows I make plenty of typos of my own, but this one made me LOL.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 09, 2025 06:11 PM (W5ArC)

I do a lot of sewing, and I can attest to the swearing part.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 09, 2025 06:14 PM (eQO/Z)

203 That Horsford guy is right jackass, another empty suit spewing programmed talking points and acting like a stereotype made flesh. Do better, Nevada.

Posted by: DEI is bad at April 09, 2025 06:14 PM (TbWk/)

204 In the words of Treasury Secretary, China is playing with a pair of twos! HAHAHAHA!

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2025 06:14 PM (g47mK)

205 You can tell Trump won by the number of new trolls coming here to say the same stupid things.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 09, 2025 06:14 PM (LkLld)

206 Also, just once, I'd like to see someone at one of these hearings to say, "hey, jackass, you may be an elected representative but if you can't treat me with the respect I deserve then you can go fuck yourself".
Posted by: I used to have a different nic

That would be racist!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

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SENATOR Jackass to you, buddy!

Posted by: Barbra (CCP spy) traitor and bitch whore Boxer at April 09, 2025 06:14 PM (Mx3OA)

207 Donald Trump -- Panican.

Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 09, 2025 06:14 PM (/tzYP)

208 At least I got the sewing part right. I am willing to forego ever buying another tablet.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 09, 2025 06:14 PM (cvWHI)

209 I will miss the craftsmanship and attention to detail that Chinese child slave labor delivers from sweatshop to my front door.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at April 09, 2025 06:14 PM (wBaIH)

210 157 I mentioned bringing manufacturing back to the US is one of PDT’s goals in all this and liberals argue that no American will want to work in a factory. Those jobs are for the brown people we are getting rid of! Who wants a FACTORY job?

Snotty, pretentious assholes they are.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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I'm hearing the same pretentious crap in Babylon DC. Smug assholes, the lot of them.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at April 09, 2025 06:15 PM (sAmhv)

211 I dunno, the UAW seems to suck, as most unions do. I’ve heard many horror stories and have watched unions destroy other sectors of the economy.

The non-union American factories seem to do a better job. I’d rather have a Toyota made in the American south than a GM shitbox made in Michigan.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 09, 2025 06:13 PM (l3YAf)

Unions are less my enemy than the people off-shoring entire industries in the first place.

So I'm fine with working the unions towards a common goal here. Which is to bring as much manufacturing back to the US as possible.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 09, 2025 06:15 PM (uCjyK)

212 Mercedes for example builds engine and transmissions in Germany, then ships them to Alabama to put in the car.

It's not like there's a switch you throw and engines start getting made. It would be several years minimum before a Mercedes plant could be up and running making engines in Alabama. Just the permits would probably take several years.
Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 06:13 PM (4pwAx)

might want to look at WWII buddy. Permits die when EOs fly.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:15 PM (n7h9X)

213 I suspect the dating pool you are speaking about is full of women with whom you have nothing in common. Look farther afield.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 09, 2025 06:09 PM (eQO/Z)

Me? Married for 34 years me? No dating pool here.
But I do see the complaints of the younger set, and having nieces, actually hear the contempt with my own ears.
It's sad to think that the 666 guys are all girls are looking at and thanks to social media and Tinder for that.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 09, 2025 06:15 PM (FCbAQ)

214 Ok, quickly , what is 2 BILLION X 365 ????
Posted by: runner

$730B

Posted by: Math! at April 09, 2025 06:15 PM (TbWk/)

215 183 China controls 80-90% of rare earths. They stop exporting that we’re fucked.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 09, 2025 05:43 PM (xHYkz)

Or.... we could start mining the material we have in this country. The rare earth minerals are found everywhere. Most places don't want to mine them.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 06:06 PM (ExV1e)

yeah, we've NIMBY'd a lot of production to kowtow to marxist eco freaks who hate us. Drawing a circle in the North American or N and S America and living on that wealth suits me fine.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:09 PM (n7h9X)

The funny thing is that if we did it here, we'd likely be very fussy about its environmental impacts. Instead, us noble environmentalists just outsource it to barbarians who won't be. Like slavery, we're not so much against destroying the environment, as we are insistent that it involve non-whites and occur out of sight so we can congratulate ourselves on our purity.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 09, 2025 06:15 PM (guCHD)

216 It's not like there's a switch you throw and engines start getting made. It would be several years minimum before a Mercedes plant could be up and running making engines in Alabama. Just the permits would probably take several years.
Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 06:13 PM (4pwAx)

And that’s the crux of the issue: it’s not that we can’t build cool shit here, it’s that we’re not allowed to by our f*ckface “elites”..

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 09, 2025 06:15 PM (l3YAf)

217 Trump fights for America. Biden cared more about China, covering up scandal after scandal for them.

https://tinyurl.com/a5ab2a9t

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 09, 2025 06:16 PM (rNGRC)

218 In Other News:
Barbie Announces Creation of LeBron James’s Own ‘Kenbassador’ Doll
The man has no dick.

Posted by: wth at April 09, 2025 06:16 PM (v0R5T)

219 The guy was really unhinged. Wouldn't even let the trade ambassador answer any questions
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 09, 2025 05:50 PM (tT6L1)

Best part of the exchange was when the Rep asked "Who's in charge" and the guy answered, "The President."

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 06:16 PM (ExV1e)

220 I wish there was a swearshop.

My dream job.

Posted by: eleven at April 09, 2025 06:16 PM (0HaGk)

221 Look, Trump already admitted they balked when the market got spooked and interest rates climbed. There's no 8d chess. Wall street won.
Posted by: FunkySeeFunkyDo at April 09, 2025 06:12 PM (JXyy5)

I think this dude tucks his talleywhacker.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 09, 2025 06:16 PM (eQO/Z)

222
The non-union American factories seem to do a better job. I’d rather have a Toyota made in the American south than a GM shitbox made in Michigan.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director

==

If I'm being really honest, I'd rather have a Toyota made in Japan than the US transplants.

But Big 3 products made by UAW labor are absolute garbage. They also spend hundreds of millions in support of Democrat candidates and left wing policies.

Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 06:16 PM (4pwAx)

223 It's not like there's a switch you throw and engines start getting made. It would be several years minimum before a Mercedes plant could be up and running making engines in Alabama. Just the permits would probably take several years.
Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 06:13 PM (4pwAx)

Who cares?

So Mercedes get more expensive, and people decide to buy other cars instead. Mercedes either gets a plant built here ASAP, or they don't. So what?

I thought we were fans of the free market here. Let Adam Smith's invisible pimp hand figure it out.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 09, 2025 06:17 PM (uCjyK)

224 do we all remember obama's 'red line in the sand' and "don't call my bluff"? good times (just not for us)

Posted by: gnats local 678 at April 09, 2025 06:17 PM (CWTWj)

225 >>It's not like there's a switch you throw and engines start getting made. It would be several years minimum before a Mercedes plant could be up and running making engines in Alabama. Just the permits would probably take several years.

Who would be building those factories in Alabama?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 09, 2025 06:17 PM (LkLld)

226 We don't have to have sewing swearshops.
Posted by: Notsothoreau

Fucking goddamn bullshit pattern! Simplicity my ass!!!

Posted by: Fuck you too Singer! at April 09, 2025 06:17 PM (TbWk/)

227 I do a lot of sewing, and I can attest to the swearing part.
Posted by: tcn in AK
......

That's why they invented thimbles.

Posted by: wth at April 09, 2025 06:18 PM (v0R5T)

228 IF the plan is to corner China, who is by far the worst offender, while also making things marginally less worse with other trading partners... fine.

Rome wasn't built in a day.

But also, Trump is only president for 4 years. So...
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

And when the country is going gangbusters, president Vance will take over for eight years. Then hopefully president Sarah Huckabee Sanders takes over for president Vance for eight years.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2025 06:18 PM (TBCjf)

229 This 104% tariff for China will be taken away in a few weeks, guaranteed.
Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 05:51 PM (4pwAx)

It's already gone. It's 125% now, unless he raised it again.

Have you considered offering your services to the Trump Administration since they're all idiots?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 06:18 PM (ExV1e)

230 225 I wish there was a swearshop.

My dream job.
Posted by: eleven at April 09, 2025 06:16 PM (0HaGk)

I worked with an engineer at the Corps who had been a submariner. He had an unofficial dispensation for swearing at work, so I designated him my Designated Curser. When something needed swearing at, I let him know. We also instituted the swear word of the day. It certainly took pressure off everyone who had held it in for a week or more.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 09, 2025 06:18 PM (eQO/Z)

231 You can tell Trump won by the number of new trolls coming here to say the same stupid things.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 09, 2025 06:14 PM (LkLld)

Yeah the USAID check must have just arrived

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:18 PM (n7h9X)

232 Unions are less my enemy than the people off-shoring entire industries in the first place.

So I'm fine with working the unions towards a common goal here. Which is to bring as much manufacturing back to the US as possible.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 09, 2025 06:15 PM (uCjyK)

Unions share a lot of the blame for making manufacturing here such a mess, and driving jobs overseas. Reshoring is an opportunity to gut the unions and boost America’s domestic manufacturing base.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 09, 2025 06:19 PM (l3YAf)

233 Fucking goddamn bullshit pattern! Simplicity my ass!!!
Posted by: Fuck you too Singer! at April 09, 2025 06:17 PM (TbWk/)

And when the ladies come together for a quilting bee or knitting session, we don't call it Stitch and Bitch for nothing.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 09, 2025 06:19 PM (eQO/Z)

234 AI can run sewing.

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2025 06:19 PM (g47mK)

235 tcn, I'll bet he gives free blow jobs to the Community College Econ prof.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 09, 2025 06:19 PM (5JBMH)

236 203The non-union American factories seem to do a better job. I’d rather have a Toyota made in the American south than a GM shitbox made in Michigan.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director

Consumer Reports data? Motor Trend?

Posted by: Auspex at April 09, 2025 06:19 PM (j4U/Z)

237 It's not like there's a switch you throw and engines start getting made. It would be several years minimum before a Mercedes plant could be up and running making engines in Alabama. Just the permits would probably take several years.

Who would be building those factories in Alabama?
Posted by: JackStraw

Wetbacks! Oh, wait...

Posted by: rickb223 at April 09, 2025 06:19 PM (TBCjf)

238 Let the heathen chinee continue to make geegaws for world consumption. Let manufacturing flourish again in the US. Mostly what it will take is stomping on and removing the ridiculous rules and regulation foisted on the US manufacturers by bureaucrats in DC and our betters (spit) in congress. DOGE needs to take a flamethrower to the epa as well.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at April 09, 2025 06:19 PM (2NHgQ)

239 OK, AI and Robotics.

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2025 06:19 PM (g47mK)

240 The US makes practically nothing any more.

Why do people insist on repeating this amazingly false line? The US accounts for 16% of global manufacturing. Which would be fine except we allowed China to get to where it is now, 31.5%. That is what Trump is trying to change.

Posted by: deepelemblues at April 09, 2025 06:20 PM (z9n5F)

241 224 The guy was really unhinged. Wouldn't even let the trade ambassador answer any questions
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 09, 2025 05:50 PM (tT6L1)

Best part of the exchange was when the Rep asked "Who's in charge" and the guy answered, "The President."
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 06:16 PM (ExV1e)

"The pause will be 90 days."
"WHARGNARHBALE!!!"
"..."
"And just how long will the pause be??!!"
"Uh...90 days."
"WHARGNARHBALE!!!"

Posted by: Faux angry dumbasses are worst dumbasses at April 09, 2025 06:20 PM (TbWk/)

242 "Rare earth elements recovery and mechanisms from coal fly ash by column leaching using citric acid"
Maybe we should do some of that.
Posted by: gKWVE at April 09, 2025 05:51 PM (gKWVE)
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Already looked at here. Insty had the article a couple of weeks ago.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 09, 2025 05:53 PM (tT6L1)

If only we had someone at EPA getting rid of dumbass regulations which hamper us.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 06:20 PM (ExV1e)

243 AI can run sewing.
Posted by: runner
.....

all the womens clothing would be too large in the chest.

Posted by: wth at April 09, 2025 06:20 PM (v0R5T)

244 The non-union American factories seem to do a better job. I’d rather have a Toyota made in the American south than a GM shitbox made in Michigan.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 09, 2025 06:13 PM (l3YAf)

Please just admit that Toyota care more about quality at a corporate level and puts in the engineering to make a quality product.
Could disgruntled union guys screw that up and turn a good product into a bad one. Maybe.
But those stories of stringing screws into panels at GM are from the 80's. Much of GM and Chrysler's problem are cheap-ass design. Or were. I could be living in the past too.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 09, 2025 06:20 PM (FCbAQ)

245 The US always has had the leverage we just didn't use it. Now we are.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 09, 2025 06:09 PM (LkLld)

Yup. What good is having the largest, most important, economy in the world if you don't use it to your advantage? Too many people with power to affect US economic policy have said for too long, "Oh no, we can't take advantage of other nations with lesser economies! That would be unfair! We are better than that!"

No, we are stupid. Tell me of another nation that if in the US's position wouldn't run roughshod economically over every other nation. France? No. Germany? No. India? No. China? Don't make me laugh.

What has being fair or nice to other nations on anything ever gotten the US? Not a damn thing.

Posted by: Gref at April 09, 2025 06:21 PM (aBgBM)

246 Who cares?

So Mercedes get more expensive, and people decide to buy other cars instead. Mercedes either gets a plant built here ASAP, or they don't. So what?

I thought we were fans of the free market here. Let Adam Smith's invisible pimp hand figure it out.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

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The "free market" where a giant new tax is thrown at American consumers? That's the exact opposite of a free market.

The "who cares" is consumers aka voters that voted for Trump to stop price hikes, and they see prices explode over night.

The worst part is, when tariffs are levied, even the companies that don't have tariffs, also raise their prices in response.

If a Mercedes just had to jack up their prices 25%, guaranteed Cadillac will also jack up their prices because they can.

Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 06:21 PM (4pwAx)

247 If only we had someone at EPA getting rid of dumbass regulations which hamper us.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 06:20 PM (ExV1e)
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Heh, you saw that tweet, too. EPA was told to sunset a bunch of regulations, from what I understand.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 09, 2025 06:21 PM (tT6L1)

248 I mentioned bringing manufacturing back to the US is one of PDT’s goals in all this and liberals argue that no American will want to work in a factory. Those jobs are for the brown people we are getting rid of! Who wants a FACTORY job?

Snotty, pretentious assholes they are.

Since we have to rebuild our manufacturing sector more or less from scratch, there's going to be a lot of robots doing the repetitive tasks that humans were doing before the jobs went overseas. Robotics means people signing up to do robot maintenance and repair. Robot maintenance sounds like a high tech job an American would want. The fact that it's located in a factory doesn't change what it is.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at April 09, 2025 06:22 PM (lUFok)

249 235 225 I wish there was a swearshop.

My dream job.
Posted by: eleven at April 09, 2025 06:16 PM (0HaGk)

You'd land the job and then some grizzled SOB like Chavez the Hugo would be your supervisor and show you how underqualified you are.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 09, 2025 06:22 PM (guCHD)

250 We make everything. Bad boy weapons, shcmatta, even meds!

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2025 06:22 PM (g47mK)

251 52 Wish I had been more awake when I heard this but on checking, the US produces 53% of all pharmaceuticals used in this country.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 09, 2025 05:44 PM (5JBMH)
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Hmm, by volume or by number?

Whatever, the EPA needs reining in.

Posted by: Ciampino - too many questions at April 09, 2025 06:22 PM (sPQoU)

252 Unions share a lot of the blame for making manufacturing here such a mess, and driving jobs overseas. Reshoring is an opportunity to gut the unions and boost America’s domestic manufacturing base.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 09, 2025 06:19 PM (l3YAf)

Plenty of non-unionized industries were sent overseas, too.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 09, 2025 06:22 PM (uCjyK)

253
Place is full of concern trolls. Gonna watch some CrunchyRoll Anime. At least I'll be entertained.

Posted by: BifBewalski at April 09, 2025 06:22 PM (MsrgL)

254 So Mercedes get more expensive, and people decide to buy other cars instead. Mercedes either gets a plant built here ASAP, or they don't. So what?

I thought we were fans of the free market here. Let Adam Smith's invisible pimp hand figure it out.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 09, 2025 06:17 PM (uCjyK)
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Sounds like Germany is the one with the problem, not us.

Fans of Mercedes either eat the cost, or buy something else made here. Unless you think they're going to use public transportation in protest.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 09, 2025 06:22 PM (ZOv7s)

255 all the womens clothing would be too large in the chest.

==

These are American women , not Chinese !

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2025 06:22 PM (g47mK)

256 It's not like there's a switch you throw and engines start getting made. It would be several years minimum before a Mercedes plant could be up and running making engines in Alabama. Just the permits would probably take several years.
Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 06:13 PM (4pwAx)

You take the machines idle in Germany because they have no power, ship them to a big building in Alabama, and pretty quickly you are up and running.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:23 PM (n7h9X)

257 > I think this dude tucks his talleywhacker.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 09, 2025 06:16 PM (eQO/Z)

I agree. Let me guess: he's a "life-long Republican".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 09, 2025 06:23 PM (W5ArC)

258 Why do people insist on repeating this amazingly false line? The US accounts for 16% of global manufacturing. Which would be fine except we allowed China to get to where it is now, 31.5%. That is what Trump is trying to change.
Posted by: deepelemblues at April 09, 2025 06:20 PM (z9n5F)

We assemble things. Largely from parts made in China. Technically it's manufacturing, but China could shut us down in about 10 minutes.

For example, we "manufacture" about half of the pharma drugs we use.

But we just press the pills. The precursor drugs (the important part) are almost all made in China or India.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 09, 2025 06:23 PM (uCjyK)

259 Preferably, we bring back even the "shitty" manufacturing jobs to the US. (in the US, these jobs would largely be done by robots anyways. And the people running the robots would likely get paid pretty well, even if the robots only make cheap widgets.)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 09, 2025 05:54 PM (uCjyK)

Maybe we could even go back to having quality widgets. The kind of widget you didn't have to replace every year and load up your landfills with plastic you refuse to incinerate for some reason.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 06:23 PM (ExV1e)

260 I'm 100% convinced that a lot of this was a TDS Tax on the wealthy.

Those who have Trump Derangement Syndrome shorted the markets, sold off turning paper losses into real losses.

People who are MAGA and trust Trump Bought The F'ing Dip and we rewarded with massive wealth transfers from the TDS sufferers to the MAGA enthusiasts who played the market.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 09, 2025 06:23 PM (a4flb)

261 The "who cares" is consumers aka voters that voted for Trump to stop price hikes, and they see prices explode over night.

Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 06:21 PM (4pwAx)
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Name a specific price or go away forever.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 09, 2025 06:24 PM (ZOv7s)

262 Sounds like Germany is the one with the problem, not us.

Fans of Mercedes either eat the cost, or buy something else made here. Unless you think they're going to use public transportation in protest.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 09, 2025 06:22 PM (ZOv7s)

Agreed. It's a silly argument.

Mercedes obviously wants to sell in to the US market. I am sure they will find a way to make it work.

Or they won't, and people will have to pay higher costs due to tariffs to buy a Mercedes.

I can live with that.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 09, 2025 06:24 PM (uCjyK)

263 ULA - Atlas V 551 - Project Kuiper (KA-01)
SLC-41 - Cape Canaveral SFS - Space Affairs Live
Launch Date: April 9, 2025
Launch Time: 7:00 p.m. EDT, 2300 UTC - April 10, 01:00 CEST

https://www.youtube.com/live/LW3RoGNQk9w

Posted by: Ciampino - Amazon in space at April 09, 2025 06:24 PM (sPQoU)

264 I am absolutely thrilled that Trump signed an EO returning our faucets back to full water !!

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2025 06:24 PM (g47mK)

265 But those stories of stringing screws into panels at GM are from the 80's. Much of GM and Chrysler's problem are cheap-ass design. Or were. I could be living in the past too.
Posted by: OneEyedJack

Since we're living in the past, for a long time the legacy costs were the problem. Could not afford good designs and R&D because all profits went to pensions and healthcare.
Then the execs and hedge funds decided to take it all for themselves.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 09, 2025 06:25 PM (Mx3OA)

266 Why, when I read threads like this, do I always want to comment:

Oh well, I guess we shouldn't do anything. I'm sure that will work this time. Mitt for President!

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at April 09, 2025 06:25 PM (8HNt+)

267 "If only we had someone at EPA getting rid of dumbass regulations which hamper us."

Lee Zeldin's doing god's work at the EPA, under the radar.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 09, 2025 06:25 PM (Gqoy+)

268 Admitting failure is like drinking bitter tea.

Posted by: Charlie Chan and Chairman Xi at April 09, 2025 06:25 PM (G5+As)

269 Maybe we could even go back to having quality widgets. The kind of widget you didn't have to replace every year and load up your landfills with plastic you refuse to incinerate for some reason.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 06:23 PM (ExV1e)

Then how are going to continue getting microplastics in our balls and suppressing our testosterone?

Posted by: Will nobody think of the microplastics? at April 09, 2025 06:25 PM (TbWk/)

270 Maybe we could even go back to having quality widgets. The kind of widget you didn't have to replace every year and load up your landfills with plastic you refuse to incinerate for some reason.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 06:23 PM (ExV1e)

Agreed. I spend far too much time trying to find higher quality widgets, because 99% of the potato peelers or whatever on the market suck and break at inopportune times.

I'm fine spending $20 on one that will last forever. I dont need a $3 piece of shit rickety one that barely works, annoys me, and breaks in 3 months.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 09, 2025 06:26 PM (uCjyK)

271 Sounds like Germany is the one with the problem, not us.

Fans of Mercedes either eat the cost, or buy something else made here. Unless you think they're going to use public transportation in protest.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
==

It's just one example.

EVERY single car company has this problem because no one produces 100% of the parts for car.

There's an F-150 model that only has 29% domestic parts. Musk said even Tesla would feel the pain.

And again, even the cars that escape tariffs will raise prices in response.

But if Trump is so certain all of this works and the public will love it, why did he fold so quickly on it?

Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 06:26 PM (4pwAx)

272 223 In Other News:
Barbie Announces Creation of LeBron James’s Own ‘Kenbassador’ Doll
The man has no dick.
Posted by: wth
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Made in China. The doll too.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at April 09, 2025 06:26 PM (sAmhv)

273 No yellow.

Posted by: Hunter Biden at April 09, 2025 06:26 PM (Dv3i1)

274 It would be several years minimum before a Mercedes plant could be up and running making engines in Alabama"

Engines were built @ Nissan plant thru 22, then operations moved to Vance.

Amazing, huh?

Posted by: Man at April 09, 2025 06:26 PM (tubbA)

275 Wall Street is happy, the Auto sector is happy.
The American people are happy.
Deals are starting to be made, and Trump still has tariffs in his back pocket plus a standard 10% tax to do business with America.

And then there’s China, who are very unhappy.

So why, FunkyFunkoPop are you so unhappy along with Chinese?

Trump didn’t do it the way you wanted it done?

He’s an idiot for doing something no other president has ever done; getting 75 countries to the bargaining table simultaneously while his main target is still trying to figure out how to get their foot back in the door?

Are you an asshoe or just slow?

Posted by: SpeakingOf at April 09, 2025 06:26 PM (6ydKt)

276 And , AAAAAND! an EO about carp infestation of our Great Lakes. I learned today that our beautiful Great Lakes comprise 20 % of the world's fresh water supply! Can you believe it ?! we have everything !

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2025 06:26 PM (g47mK)

277 We assemble things. Largely from parts made in China. Technically it's manufacturing, but China could shut us down in about 10 minutes.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 09, 2025 06:23 PM (uCjyK)
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Right, so there's an adjustment period and then China goes bankrupt.

I'm good with that.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 09, 2025 06:26 PM (ZOv7s)

278 Ciampino, You, Salty and Hadrian could revamp the pharmaceutical shortfall in a month.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 09, 2025 06:27 PM (5JBMH)

279 98 I've been banging this drum for months:

I broke with orthodox free trade doctrine long ago and became a mercantilist. America first, baby!

Pure free trade says I should be a Nietzchean monad and always buy cheap for my own benefit, fuck my American neighbor. But when my American neighbor doesn't have a job, I wind up paying in all sorts of ways.

We've implemented policies over the years that have hollowed out our industrial base with adverse consequences for huge swathes of Americans. It's like upstate versus downstate New York writ large. Inflation adjusted wages for our working class have been flat for over 50 years, while everyone else has gained. C-suite executives especially. Things you don't learn in microeconomics.

The poster child for this is GE's Jack Welch, who led the charge to outsource. Hey Jack, you want to save a dime on making a light bulb, build your own navy. [Jack's success at GE was actually about "leveraging light bulbs"-- more on that later]

Posted by: Ignoramus

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 09, 2025 06:27 PM (x057s)

280 We assemble things. Largely from parts made in China. Technically it's manufacturing, but China could shut us down in about 10 minutes.

For example, we "manufacture" about half of the pharma drugs we use.

But we just press the pills. The precursor drugs (the important part) are almost all made in China or India.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 09, 2025 06:23 PM (uCjyK)

According to the internet, which never lies, and is the same place you are getting your assertion from, 69% of American manufacturing uses "...energy, raw materials, parts, and semi-finished goods..." from the United States itself. Not from foreign countries.
https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/finance/us-manufacturing

Posted by: deepelemblues at April 09, 2025 06:27 PM (z9n5F)

281 Howard Lutnick explains the master plan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=182ckTL2KBA

Fascinating.

(Also, the alternative is going over Niagara Debt Falls, so there's that to consider...)

Posted by: Beverly at April 09, 2025 06:27 PM (Epeb0)

282 "People who are MAGA and trust Trump Bought The F'ing Dip and we rewarded with massive wealth transfers from the TDS sufferers to the MAGA enthusiasts who played the market.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure"

I hope this is true.

Posted by: eleven at April 09, 2025 06:27 PM (0HaGk)

283 Then how are going to continue getting microplastics in our balls
Posted by: Will nobody think of the microplastics?

I know, ah, someone who can get them out

Posted by: Billy Jeff at April 09, 2025 06:27 PM (gKWVE)

284 Proper usage is 'Pinko Commie Scum'.

Please make a note of it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at April 09, 2025 06:28 PM (8HNt+)

285 Posted by: FunkySeeFunkyDo

This has to be chemjeff

Posted by: AmishDude would have claimed to be Napoleon at April 09, 2025 06:28 PM (TbWk/)

286 Fucking goddamn bullshit pattern! Simplicity my ass!!!
Posted by: Fuck you too Singer! at April 09, 2025 06:17 PM (TbWk/)

And when the ladies come together for a quilting bee or knitting session, we don't call it Stitch and Bitch for nothing.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 09, 2025 06:19 PM (eQO/Z)

I suspect the village ladies used to invent group tasks to make an excuse for bitching. "Damn we finished the blanket....what if we cut them up into little squares and spend two days resewing them together all mixed up!

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:28 PM (n7h9X)

287 Sorry but this makes Trump look like a total buffoon.
Posted by: FunkySeeFunkyDo at April 09, 2025 05:55 PM (JXyy5)

Have you contacted the Trump Administration and offered your services since they're all idiots?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 06:28 PM (ExV1e)

288 I am absolutely thrilled that Trump signed an EO returning our faucets back to full water !!

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2025 06:24 PM (g47mK)

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"He can only do that because he's melting all the glaciers and icebergs, h8r! Polar bears hardest hit ... "

Posted by: ShainS -- On Democracies and Death Cults at April 09, 2025 06:29 PM (tLito)

289 269 I am absolutely thrilled that Trump signed an EO returning our faucets back to full water !!
Posted by: runner

Not so fast. We bought one of those circus elephant showerheads, blew our eyelashes and wighats into next county.

Posted by: Jasmine Crockett and Maxine Waters at April 09, 2025 06:29 PM (G5+As)

290 Speaking of - I see lots of talk about "the negotiating table". Name one win from that table so far. And the "master negotiator" just unilaterally gave up his leverage, and they can all see it was because wall street threw a fit.

It doesn't make him look strong.
Posted by: FunkySeeFunkyDo at April 09, 2025 06:28 PM (JXyy5)

They have to provide the table and bring beer.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:29 PM (n7h9X)

291 Since we have to rebuild our manufacturing sector more or less from scratch, there's going to be a lot of robots doing the repetitive tasks that humans were doing before the jobs went overseas.

Isn't that how Japan managed to leap frog over the US auto making industry after WW2 because all they had was rubble and the US domestic manufacturers had drunk union thugs with their 50 year old tools?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 09, 2025 06:29 PM (a4flb)

292 Whelp that's it yall. Trump has folded. He's weak. The walls are closing in. It's all over now. He'll be out within a week.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 09, 2025 06:29 PM (MGB5H)

293 This has to be chemjeff
Posted by: AmishDude would have claimed to be Napoleon at April 09, 2025 06:28 PM (TbWk/)
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Definitely has that former commenter smell.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 09, 2025 06:29 PM (tT6L1)

294 And again, even the cars that escape tariffs will raise prices in response.

But if Trump is so certain all of this works and the public will love it, why did he fold so quickly on it?
Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 06:26 PM (4pwAx)
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When did Trump fold? He just pushed it to 125%.

Also, what planet do you live on? Why would car makers abandon a price advantage? You think that every American-made car manufacturer is going to say - in unison - "Mercedes has a tariff, so now we can all raise prices!"

Get a better set of talking points and come back tomorrow.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 09, 2025 06:30 PM (ZOv7s)

295 Whelp that's it yall. Trump has folded. He's weak. The walls are closing in. It's all over now. He'll be out within a week.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 09, 2025 06:29 PM (MGB5H)

Wheels came right off. Whoop! There they go.

Posted by: Just popped right off there at April 09, 2025 06:30 PM (TbWk/)

296 What the US Media is ignoring, is that other countries markets are WAY down... if they were 'winning' the trade war, their markets would be up.

Now that negotiations for new trade agreements is in process... I expect Trump to focus on Ukraine going back on their word... again... about not hitting Energy Sites.

Expect more hardball from Trump.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 09, 2025 06:30 PM (QAkQ3)

297 Are you an asshoe or just slow?
Posted by: SpeakingOf at April 09, 2025 06:26 PM (6ydKt)

the word you're looking for is AND

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 09, 2025 06:30 PM (FCbAQ)

298 I wish there was a swearshop.
My dream job.
Posted by: eleven

Is that a place where you make swears, or fix swears?

Fixing them might be funny. "Did you just call him a f-cking eggbeater? That's really lame, dude."

Posted by: mikeski at April 09, 2025 06:31 PM (DgGvY)

299 I think most everyone here wants to reshore manufacturing. It’s just a question of “How?” and “Is that feasible?”
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 09, 2025 05:56 PM (l3YAf)

And which manufacturing. We don't have to make everything here. We have to make critical stuff plus enough extra to have an economy based on more than being an available vote every two years.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 06:31 PM (ExV1e)

300 I am absolutely thrilled that Trump signed an EO returning our faucets back to full water !!
Posted by: runner

===

Also glad he did this.

There's so many stupid regs like this. Dishwashers, washing machines.

The new refrigerant mandated for AC systems is also garbage.

Biden did serious damage with the EPA

Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 06:31 PM (4pwAx)

301 You assume that the tariffs were the point.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at April 09, 2025 06:31 PM (8HNt+)

302 What's been fun to discover is how many 'free trade' fanz aren't for free trade at all. Kind of like finding out how many in Conservative inc. weren't conservative at all.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at April 09, 2025 06:31 PM (sAmhv)

303 And , AAAAAND! an EO about carp infestation of our Great Lakes. I learned today that our beautiful Great Lakes comprise 20 % of the world's fresh water supply! Can you believe it ?! we have everything !
Posted by: runner at April 09, 2025 06:26 PM (g47mK)

Start allowing mass carp fishing

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:32 PM (n7h9X)

304 Speaking of - I see lots of talk about "the negotiating table". Name one win from that table so far. And the "master negotiator" just unilaterally gave up his leverage, and they can all see it was because wall street threw a fit.

It doesn't make him look strong.
Posted by: FunkySeeFunkyDo at April 09, 2025 06:28 PM (JXyy5)
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You remind me of that fake veteran who was Rock Solid Conservative but worried that Trump being mean to the trannies and kicking them out would cause the military vote to defect to Hillary or something.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 09, 2025 06:32 PM (ZOv7s)

305 I was told tariffs are a tax

Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2025 06:32 PM (ypFCm)

306 look like a buffoon is a communist. Insert eyerollemoji
Posted by: FunkySeeFunkyDo

More likely a troll

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 09, 2025 06:32 PM (Hk0bN)

307 Ol funkypoo has his narrative and isn't willing to discuss anything. Just casting aspersions and assertions which mean nothing.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 09, 2025 06:32 PM (tT6L1)

308 Start allowing mass carp fishing
Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:32 PM (n7h9X)
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Carp bounties. $100 each. Extinct within a year.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 09, 2025 06:32 PM (ZOv7s)

309 "Damn we finished the blanket....what if we cut them up into little squares and spend two days resewing them together all mixed up!
Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:28 PM (n7h9X)

Uh oh.. they’re on to us..

Posted by: Womens Quilting Auxiliary at April 09, 2025 06:32 PM (l3YAf)

310 Aetius and puddle gum,
True dat.

Posted by: whig's phone at April 09, 2025 06:33 PM (ctrM5)

311 I detect a whiff of Cloggenstein in the air...

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 09, 2025 06:33 PM (2cS/G)

312 I was told tariffs are a tax
Posted by: Skip at April 09, 2025 06:32 PM (ypFCm)

I hope it wasn't John Roberts who told you that- he says that about everything.

Guy is full of shit.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at April 09, 2025 06:33 PM (8HNt+)

313 When did Trump fold? He just pushed it to 125%.

Also, what planet do you live on? Why would car makers abandon a price advantage? You think that every American-made car manufacturer is going to say - in unison - "Mercedes has a tariff, so now we can all raise prices!"

Get a better set of talking points and come back tomorrow.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
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Trump folded and Wall Street loved it. This is the 3rd time now.

This happened over and over in his first term. Remember him "fixing" trade in his first term ? Me neither.

Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 06:33 PM (4pwAx)

314 AZ deplorable and blake, big hug for both you guys.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 09, 2025 06:33 PM (5JBMH)

315 But if Trump is so certain all of this works and the public will love it, why did he fold so quickly on it?

And yet the tariffs on Chinese goods has been increased to 125%. You're not here to make good faith arguments.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at April 09, 2025 06:34 PM (lUFok)

316 How much does a Mustang cost in Australia? How about a Chevy in Japan or Germany?

It's not all about how many Mercedes are sold in the US. We have been prohibited from selling out cars in many countries either by insanely high tariffs or outright bans.

Negotiations go both ways.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 09, 2025 06:34 PM (LkLld)

317 Also, what planet do you live on? Why would car makers abandon a price advantage? You think that every American-made car manufacturer is going to say - in unison - "Mercedes has a tariff, so now we can all raise prices!"

Get a better set of talking points and come back tomorrow.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 09, 2025 06:30 PM (ZOv7s)

They could raise 10 percent, say and keep the advantage AND get more.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:34 PM (n7h9X)

318 it's not only unions. i recall lin the late 1990s that the clinton admin (epa or liek that) proposed new rules for silicates (i mean the stuff that computer chips are made of.) they backed down when intel threatened to start moving plants to mexico

but also you remember that sally filed movie about the textile plant? our gov't helped move our textile indunstry out of the country

Posted by: gnats local 678 at April 09, 2025 06:34 PM (CWTWj)

319
Start allowing mass carp fishing
Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:32 PM (n7h9X)

I believe Army Corps of Engineers are all over this. And ..those guys are good!

Posted by: runner at April 09, 2025 06:34 PM (g47mK)

320 >> The new refrigerant mandated for AC systems is also garbage.

Seriously, bring back Freon! All the new refrigerants are weak.

Also, Donnie, being back functional gas cans! And let me delete my DEF without facing a $10k fine!

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 09, 2025 06:35 PM (l3YAf)

321 Newt

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at April 09, 2025 06:35 PM (KIYrN)

322 Nood. Judges.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 09, 2025 06:35 PM (ExV1e)

323 Trump has always, always, always said that he makes deals that benefit both parties, when he is given what he wants the other side benefits too. People ignore this because they want to. He cut off military aid and intelligence to Ukraine because Zelensky threw a tantrum, Zelensky then bent the knee, and military aid and intelligence was immediately resumed. He threatened Mexico especially with extra tariffs multiple times this term and the first one, they caved and gave him what he wanted on the border, he said okay we won't put those big extra tariffs on. He says he wants other countries to negotiate new trade deals, he imposes big reciprocal tariffs, other countries come hat in hand to negotiate new trade deals, he pauses the big reciprocal tariffs and offers a route for the pause to be permanent: the other countries actually negotiate new trade deals. This is pure Trumpist transactionalism, of course TDS nutjobs will ignore that it matches his past behavior and scream that he caved blah blah blah.

Posted by: deepelemblues at April 09, 2025 06:35 PM (z9n5F)

324 315 Start allowing mass carp fishing
Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:32 PM (n7h9X)
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Carp bounties. $100 each. Extinct within a year.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 09, 2025 06:32 PM (ZOv7s)

Nope. People will start breeding carp to turn in for the bounty.

Posted by: Cobra effect. Not GI Joe's nemesis the other one. at April 09, 2025 06:35 PM (TbWk/)

325 For the Trump caved tribe...

Uh... when the enemy surrenders, you stop fighting to hold surrender talks... if the winner does not get what he wants, you go back to fightin...

This is where we are at... Most of the enemy have raised the White Flag on the trade war, and asked for talks... some enemy (China) continues to fight.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 09, 2025 06:35 PM (QAkQ3)

326 "William Edwards Deming (October 14, 1900 – December 20, 1993) the father of the quality movement and was hugely influential in post-WWII Japan, credited with revolutionizing Japan's industry and making it one of the most dominant economies in the world.[1][2]"

Deming was ignored in the US. The Japanese listened.

He's on my list of 100 Americans Who Should Be Famous

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 09, 2025 06:35 PM (Gqoy+)

327 certain new commenters sound a lot like some of the lefties who post at althouse

Posted by: gnats local 678 at April 09, 2025 06:35 PM (CWTWj)

328 Trump folded and Wall Street loved it. This is the 3rd time now.

This happened over and over in his first term. Remember him "fixing" trade in his first term ? Me neither.
Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 06:33 PM (4pwAx)
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So you can't respond, and instead unleash the next paragraph from your Soros cheat sheet.

Be better or I will ignore you.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 09, 2025 06:35 PM (ZOv7s)

329 It's Morons or 'Ron's.

Moose out front should have told you.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at April 09, 2025 06:35 PM (8HNt+)

330
Since we're living in the past, for a long time the legacy costs were the problem. Could not afford good designs and R&D because all profits went to pensions and healthcare.
Then the execs and hedge funds decided to take it all for themselves.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus)
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If you've got your design you can keep your design.
Get rid of ridiculous CAFE incrementalism.
Get rid of most of CAFE.
My 2002 is running fine. New design is not that necessary.
One reason for Chevy cars lingering popularity is the availability of parts, ie the interchangeability of parts.
In Chevy, even though body styles and accessories were added the fundamental parts of the vehicle remained much the same and vestigial parts were not eliminated.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 09, 2025 06:36 PM (x057s)

331 Funky, I'm guessing 'Like" comes at you very slow.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 09, 2025 06:36 PM (2cS/G)

332 Whereas Ford would change parts mid-year.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 09, 2025 06:37 PM (x057s)

333 >>This happened over and over in his first term. Remember him "fixing" trade in his first term ? Me neither.

I do. Trump replaced the idiotic NAFTA with he USMCA.

He would have done more but he was a tad busy fighting off the deep state and the claims that he was a Russian agent and then making naughty phone calls to Ukraine and then a virus the deep state unleashed on the world.

Pretending those things didn't happen is silly.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 09, 2025 06:37 PM (LkLld)

334
And yet the tariffs on Chinese goods has been increased to 125%. You're not here to make good faith arguments.
Posted by: Blanco Basura
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So 99% of countries got their new tariffs removed and you don't think that's a surrender?

How many days did it actually last?

If you wanted these tariffs, shouldn't you be mad at Trump that ended them without even seeing if they worked?

Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 06:37 PM (4pwAx)

335 I have the opinion that China is more ingrained in supply chains than people know. There may be some unintended consequences if the 125% tariff sticks.

Our company manufactures here in the US, but we also use a lot of low risk items from China as do our competitors. Many of the foundries I have used in the US have closed because of environmental violations. We have lost so much knowledge in manufacturing over the years.

I can get castings from China faster, even including 30 to 40 days travel than I can get from any foundry in the US because the ones left are so backed up.

The dogs bark but the caravan moves on.

We will deal with the situation as we can.

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 09, 2025 06:38 PM (NtVYv)

336 China isn't in a box. As an example, between 2017 and 2023, China went from about 40 Mexican located companies to 70 China owned Mexican companies. They've done the same expedited acquisitions in many countries, including Vietnam. China owns 286 companies outright in the US that produce market capital over over $1.1 Trillion. They have investment interests is nearly 5,000 more US companies.

My point is that when Vietnam and Mexico played nice in response to the US tariff threat, it was because China told them to. China has expanded out into countries world wide, and that huge tariff to China only hits the mainland manufacturing. In Mexico, China is looking to take over the entire South American car market, and they are building office parks on an expedited basis. I suspect you'll see unprecedented cooperation between the EU and China and Canada in the coming days, and you can bet it won't benefit the US in any way.

Posted by: Orson at April 09, 2025 06:39 PM (dIske)

337 A decent bounty on those carp and they will be eradicated in a year.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 09, 2025 06:39 PM (5JBMH)

338 hi Ben Had and hugs right back at you!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 09, 2025 06:39 PM (tT6L1)

339 >> Also, what planet do you live on? Why would car makers abandon a price advantage? You think that every American-made car manufacturer is going to say - in unison - "Mercedes has a tariff, so now we can all raise prices!"

That’s how markets work, dude. They’re not going to keep their prices low while there’s a shortage of affordable automobiles.

But it’s almost irrelevant, because the tariffs aren’t meant to be paid. Mostly they appear to be negotiating leverage. Some tariffs will just be paid by the sellers, which is already happening.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 09, 2025 06:40 PM (l3YAf)

340 China isn't in a box. As an example, between 2017 and 2023, China went from about 40 Mexican located companies to 70 China owned Mexican companies. They've done the same expedited acquisitions in many countries, including Vietnam. China owns 286 companies outright in the US that produce market capital over over $1.1 Trillion. They have investment interests is nearly 5,000 more US companies.

And how many of them are trying to import into the US? All of them?? just hit those offshore fake industries with China tariffs.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:40 PM (n7h9X)

341 When does the Democrat-Media Complex start telling us the recent big drop of crude oil prices will destroy the Universe and it's Drumpf's fault?

The Complex must to try to demonize the coming drop of gas prices on Drumpf's watch. I can't wait to hear the crazy rationale for predicting total doom.

Posted by: Gref at April 09, 2025 06:40 PM (aBgBM)

342 What if Trump just deports them anyway? What possible legal avenues do these people have once they are off US soil?

Contempt charges that could just be pardoned?

Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 06:40 PM (4pwAx)

343 According to the internet, which never lies, and is the same place you are getting your assertion from, 69% of American manufacturing uses "...energy, raw materials, parts, and semi-finished goods..." from the United States itself. Not from foreign countries.
https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/finance/us-manufacturing
Posted by: deepelemblues at April 09, 2025 06:27 PM (z9n5F)

How could they possibly know that? They track every gallon of fuel oil used in a factory to it's source and ensure it was from the US and not Canada?

Every raw material?

Every screw on every product made?

And can say with 100% certainty that in 69% of the cases, every input in to that item originated in the US?

Interesting.

Because we can just look at what we import in to the US to see that that can't possibly be true. Something like 1/3 of the fasteners sold in the US originate oversees. And screws and nails would seem to be one of things that should be more or less impossible to successfully off-shore because they're easy to make with robots, we have the raw materials here, and they weigh a lot, so shipping should be prohibitively expensive.

And yet...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 09, 2025 06:41 PM (uCjyK)

344 >>Like comes at you fast. You're all a bunch of retards.

Smart enough to beat you which is why you are here trolling with 4th grade level arguments.

To be fair, it doesn't take much to clown you. Like, ya know?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 09, 2025 06:41 PM (LkLld)

345 So 99% of countries got their new tariffs removed and you don't think that's a surrender?

How many days did it actually last?

If you wanted these tariffs, shouldn't you be mad at Trump that ended them without even seeing if they worked?
Posted by: Leupold at April 09, 2025 06:37 PM (4pwAx)

Contingent upon them signing new trade deals within 90 days.

It lasted enough days for 40% of the countries in the world to piss their pants and beg to negotiate.

How did they not work? Multiple countries said they would change their own tariffs and many more are asking to negotiate. You troll that Trump didn't leave them in place "to see if they worked" but you also troll that he gets no time at all by your standard to make a deal. Why aren't there deals 2 hours later? Because he caved! Yeah, okay.

Posted by: deepelemblues at April 09, 2025 06:41 PM (z9n5F)

346 "William Edwards Deming (October 14, 1900 – December 20, 1993) the father of the quality movement and was hugely influential in post-WWII Japan, credited with revolutionizing Japan's industry and making it one of the most dominant economies in the world.[1][2]"

Deming was ignored in the US. The Japanese listened.

He's on my list of 100 Americans Who Should Be Famous
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 09, 2025 06:35 PM (Gqoy+)

I have read a lot about Deming. Incredible guy. You are correct, the people in the US did ignore him.

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 09, 2025 06:41 PM (NtVYv)

347
NHTSA, OSHA, CPSC, EPA and a host of big guv parasite alphabet entities have more to do with you having to buy a $60,000 car rather than a serviceable $10,000 shittymobile.

And before you you trash the UAW again, remember their leader was on the South Lawn supporting Trump last week, so socialist or not, in the big tent now.

Posted by: Auspex at April 09, 2025 06:41 PM (j4U/Z)

348 But it’s almost irrelevant, because the tariffs aren’t meant to be paid. Mostly they appear to be negotiating leverage. Some tariffs will just be paid by the sellers, which is already happening.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 09, 2025 06:40 PM (l3YAf)

At least at first I expect Trump wants that 10 percent vig to buy down the deficit with foreign country money. Pretty much what the dollar monopoly used to do. Once that crisis is abated the income raising tariff rate can be lowered.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:42 PM (n7h9X)

349 I suspect you'll see unprecedented cooperation between the EU and China and Canada in the coming days, and you can bet it won't benefit the US in any way.
Posted by: Orson at April 09, 2025 06:39 PM (dIske)

That would be spicy.

I disagree, though: I think the thing that benefits America (that is, by reshoring manufacturing) is destroying the global financial system that mandates America run trade deficits. So I think it’s part of the process, to get other countries to team up against us.

We’ll be fine.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 09, 2025 06:43 PM (l3YAf)

350 How could they possibly know that? They track every gallon of fuel oil used in a factory to it's source and ensure it was from the US and not Canada?

Every raw material?

Every screw on every product made?

And can say with 100% certainty that in 69% of the cases, every input in to that item originated in the US?

Interesting.

Because we can just look at what we import in to the US to see that that can't possibly be true. Something like 1/3 of the fasteners sold in the US originate oversees. And screws and nails would seem to be one of things that should be more or less impossible to successfully off-shore because they're easy to make with robots, we have the raw materials here, and they weigh a lot, so shipping should be prohibitively expensive.

And yet...
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 09, 2025 06:41 PM (uCjyK)

Ask the US Department of Commerce, it's their number. And you're really saying, after I say ~70% comes from America itself, that it can't possibly be true because "something like 1/3" (~33%) of "fasteners" come from overseas? That tracks precisely with the DoC number. Man you are extremely bad with this scofftrolling.

Posted by: deepelemblues at April 09, 2025 06:43 PM (z9n5F)

351 Deming was ignored in the US. The Japanese listened.

He's on my list of 100 Americans Who Should Be Famous
Posted by: Ignoramus at April 09, 2025 06:35 PM (Gqoy+)

The dude who made the T-34 Tank was an American who couldn't find a buyer and the Russians hired him.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:43 PM (n7h9X)

352 >>Jackassstraw - what argument have you made at all? Get bent

You are clearly too stupid to see what is happening right in front of you. That's why you got your ass kicked in the election and keep losing.

Keep watching, dum dum. You can come back and apologize any time.

Or you could just kiss my stinky starfish.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 09, 2025 06:44 PM (LkLld)

353 And before you you trash the UAW again, remember their leader was on the South Lawn supporting Trump last week, so socialist or not, in the big tent now.
Posted by: Auspex at April 09, 2025 06:41 PM (j4U/Z)

The commie that endorsed Kamala? Screw him and every single UAW member.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 09, 2025 06:44 PM (l3YAf)

354 I disagree, though: I think the thing that benefits America (that is, by reshoring manufacturing) is destroying the global financial system that mandates America run trade deficits. So I think it’s part of the process, to get other countries to team up against us.

We’ll be fine.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 09, 2025 06:43 PM (l3YAf)

They don't have to team up against us. They can just buy some new American product and import it to balance out the differential and introduce new things to their own people.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 09, 2025 06:46 PM (n7h9X)

355 I'm all in favor of Trump's China policy, and he said today he may consider exempting some companies from the tariffs during the 90 day pause;those exemptions exemptions should be for Small & Mid-size Businesses, who can’t compete with Big Biz’ ability to absorb tariffs, then take market share as Small/Mid Biz goes under. We've probably got 6-12 months before the only stuff on the market will be being sold by MegaCorps -- and it will still be cheap crap from China, except then it will be 3X expensive.

Posted by: UnderCoverinLA at April 09, 2025 06:50 PM (MKePZ)

356 >>I'm in awe of your intellectual superiority for such great "points" as noticing a typo made from a phone..good job my guy.

I'm in awe you can type so fast on a phone.

You're a liar.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 09, 2025 06:51 PM (LkLld)

357 Can we stop calling these atrocities "deportations." These people sold to El Salvadorian prisons were not deported. Deportation is a process that did not take place. They were rounded up and removed with no process. They were kidnapped, not deported.

Kidnapping. Capturing a person against their will without due process is called kidnapping. Transporting them to another country without due process is called human trafficking. A squalid extrajudicial prison for people found guilty of no crime is called a concentration camp.

YES! They were kidnapped NOT arrested, removed NOT deported! Arrest and deportation are legal acts. What is done to these people in most cases is neither arrest (no warrant) nor deportation (requires a hearing) so BY DEFINITION they are NOT legal acts.

And a concentration camp may be called a death camp. Given the conditions at El Salvador's prison CECOT, a death camp may be more appropriate.

I wouldn't be surprised if that guy who was a legal green card holder who was swept up and taken from his 5 year old autistic child is dead. That’s why they won’t bring him back.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at April 09, 2025 07:05 PM (ycI94)

358 I can't wait for "The Handmaid's Tale II, The Glistening."

Posted by: Elrond Hubbard at April 09, 2025 07:12 PM (9INg6)

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