Stock Market Rallies, Regaining 3%

This might be based on hopes about countries negotiating away their own tariffs to get America to reduce its own. Seventy countries contacted the Trump Administration to bargain over the tariffs.

But I doubt they're serious at all about cutting their tariffs.

I also don't think Trump actually wants to cut American tariffs, even in exchange for a reduction in world taiffs.

He talks about re-industrializing the US and bringing the jobs back home. That doesn't happen if the world just lowers all of its tariffs. Trump's preference is a protectionist policy to rebuild American industry. Reducing the world's tariffs doesn't help protect American industry.

So I don't think the seventy foreign countries are serious about reducing their own tariffs, and I also don't think Trump is particularly receptive to reducing American tariffs. He wants the tariffs.

Some people who are pro-free-trade can buy into Trump's tariff policy because they think, or hope, that the endgame is Trump using the leverage of tariffs to get other countries to reduce theirs, thus resulting in a more free trade world.

But I don't think Trump wants a more free trade world. I think he believes tariffs are a good in and of themselves, and not just a bargaining chip to bring about a global free trade zone.

Whatever the case, the markets are rallying after yesterday's engineered panic.

Mario Nawfal
@MarioNawfal
U.S. STOCKS SURGE AS TRADE DEAL HOPES IGNITE MARKET RALLY
Wall Street roared back this morning, with all 3 major indexes jumping more than 3% on optimism around new trade deals.
The S&P 500 soared 3.2%, the Nasdaq surged 3.6%, and the Dow Jones exploded 3.4%--gaining over 1,300 points at the open.
Investors cheered signs of progress in global trade negotiations, including major moves by the Trump administration to realign foreign trade with U.S. interests.

Mario Nawfal
@MarioNawfal
WALL STREET WHIPLASH: TARIFF FALLOUT FUELS HISTORIC VOLUME, FUTURES RALLY
After Trump's surprise tariff rollout, the S&P 500 clocked its third straight loss, briefly dipping into bear territory with the highest trading volume in 18 years--29 billion shares.
Yet Monday night, futures flipped green:
Dow up 444 points, Nasdaq +1%.
A false social media rumor of a tariff pause triggered intraday gains, quickly crushed by a White House denial.
Treasury Secretary Bessent said talks could stretch until June.
Recession fears remain as the 10-year yield tops 4%. Levi's earnings beat forecasts but warned of tariff impact.
The Volatility Index spiked to 60. Market eyes now shift to CPI data later this week.
Source: CNBC

🚨 The stock market is a SEA OF GREEN today with the DOW up over 1,000 points

The Panicans LOST. Big time.

Trump held the line. And he was right. Again. 🔥 pic.twitter.com/TgnyvGFh1s
— Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) April 8, 2025

When the Stock Market is going down, CNN puts an obnoxious graphic on their screen to track it in real time.

When the Stock Market is going up, CNN removes the graphic and changes the subject. pic.twitter.com/jCKqVjmWwl
— Thomas Hern (@ThomasMHern) April 8, 2025

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1 W00t.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 08, 2025 12:19 PM (ExV1e)

2 1

Posted by: runner at April 08, 2025 12:20 PM (g47mK)

3 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at April 08, 2025 12:20 PM (GYt5+)

4 Wait, so tariff fallout is a good thing?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 08, 2025 12:20 PM (bss/y)

5 Buy gold coins!!

Posted by: runner at April 08, 2025 12:20 PM (g47mK)

6 Corgis called.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 08, 2025 12:20 PM (ExV1e)

7 Free Trade =/= Fair Trade.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 08, 2025 12:21 PM (Oq5OE)

8 I can't take all this winning.

Supreme Court Temporarily Grants Trump Ability to Fire Thousands of Federal Employees

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 08, 2025 12:21 PM (/U5Yz)

9 The stock market is moodier than a 14 year old Goth Chick.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 08, 2025 12:21 PM (XV/Pl)

10 They are pretty transparent.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 08, 2025 12:21 PM (bss/y)

11 Top 10?!?

Posted by: Grayman27 at April 08, 2025 12:21 PM (pgwxJ)

12 Drat.

Posted by: Grayman27 at April 08, 2025 12:21 PM (pgwxJ)

13 >>Supreme Court Temporarily Grants Trump Ability to Fire Thousands of Federal Employees

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"Grants."

That word bothers me.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 08, 2025 12:22 PM (Oq5OE)

14 For now.

Posted by: L - No nic, adores both Musk and Miller. at April 08, 2025 12:22 PM (NFX2v)

15 Damn this man.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at April 08, 2025 12:22 PM (/U5Yz)

16 The only stocks I'm interested in are the ones where Tony Fauci, Vicky Nuland, George Soros, Bill Gates, and assorted others, are locked in, so we can all throw rotten fruit at them.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:22 PM (dGCAG)

17 "Grants."

That word bothers me.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 08, 2025 12:22 PM (Oq5OE)

'Temporarily'.

Who runs Bartertown?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 08, 2025 12:22 PM (bss/y)

18 I will bet every cent I both have and can borrow that at some point in the future the Dow will decline.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 08, 2025 12:23 PM (Oq5OE)

19 As someone who has no money, I find the stock market freakouts very entertaining.

Posted by: huerfano at April 08, 2025 12:23 PM (n2swS)

20 > SEA OF GREEN

Sky of blue
And sea of green
In my screen-door
Submarine

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 08, 2025 12:23 PM (W5ArC)

21 Stocks go up, stocks go down...it's all a game

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:24 PM (xcxpd)

22 Sounds like that do nothing AG is doing stuff.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 08, 2025 12:24 PM (LkLld)

23 It seems pretty clear that Trump's goal isn't just a matter of whether he wants tariffs to stay or for us to have actual free trade. Notice how the Anglosphere and Latin America mostly got the baseline 10% tariff, while supposed allies in the old world got higher tariffs. There does seem to be a geostrategic goal in mind where we integrate more in our own hemisphere and with other English speaking countries, and Europe (other than the UK), Asia and Africa are gradually cut loose to fend for themselves.

Posted by: The Lower Depths at April 08, 2025 12:24 PM (Dg7ng)

24 Quoting Robert Rubin, Clinton's Treasury Secretary:

The market goes up. The market goes down

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at April 08, 2025 12:24 PM (JkCto)

25 We need to keep in mind tariffs are just one piece of the puzzle. Red of the wold fucks us in many other ways. VAT, currency manipulation, onerous regulations only applied to American goods. Shit like what Canada does with it dairy industry. Etc. Even with zero tariffs we’re still at a disadvantage with most countries.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (Y5yQx)

26 And CNN is ass cancer of the body politic

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (xcxpd)

27 Upon complete civilization collapse, which will be more valuable? A pound of gold, or a box of .22 ammo?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (pohLc)

28 >>"Grants."

That word bothers me.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 08, 2025 12:22 PM

Acknowledges.

Posted by: huerfano at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (n2swS)

29 who didn't expect everyone to come to their senses on the whole tariff thing?

and while i don't think PDJT will go to 0 tariffs, I can see low, like 10% maybe for many countries, a smattering of 0 for some actual allies, and heavier ones on the commie fucks.

And i'm good with that. While i'd LOVE for there to be honest to goodness actual free trade, it's not possible with the bad actors in the global community.

so punish away as required to encourage correct behavior...

Posted by: Sturmtoddler at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (nXhwP)

30 Give this a read. "Balance trade" or fair trade is the goal. Think of it for that in game theory:

https://tinyurl.com/y4rsr7j6

Posted by: logprof at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (6n0Ih)

31 I make money, regardless.

Posted by: Your Stockbroker at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (w9Wax)

32 "But I don't think Trump wants a more free trade world. I think he believes tariffs are a good in and of themselves, and not just a bargaining chip to bring about a global free trade zone."

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If that's the case, he's wrong.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (dGCAG)

33 Wouldn't lowering global tariffs and other trade barriers, at least in theory, allow US industries to move more product into overseas markets and actually be able to sell it, thereby increasing domestic production and jobs?

Posted by: ballistic at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (wyUwI)

34
Who runs Bartertown?

Posted by: Aetius451AD

the pigs that crap out the fecal matter for the methane ( so the FNM ) run barter town. for now.

Posted by: BifBewalski at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (qloJl)

35 22 Sounds like that do nothing AG is doing stuff.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 08, 2025 12:24 PM (LkLld)

Butt stuff?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (xcxpd)

36 The surefire way to get the stock market to go bull is to get Jim Cramer to say that everything is going to hell.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (Oq5OE)

37 Naz and SnP now up about 1.5%

Posted by: illiniwek at April 08, 2025 12:26 PM (Cus5s)

38 > 31 I make money, regardless.
Posted by: Your Stockbroker at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (w9Wax)

Sounds to me like y'alls a bunch of bookies.

Posted by: Billy Ray Ballentine at April 08, 2025 12:26 PM (W5ArC)

39 There does seem to be a geostrategic goal in mind where we integrate more in our own hemisphere and with other English speaking countries, and Europe (other than the UK), Asia and Africa are gradually cut loose to fend for themselves.
Posted by: The Lower Depths

It makes sense. Pretty much everything we need can be obtained in this hemisphere with less global policing.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 08, 2025 12:26 PM (zct9C)

40
We prithee, grant us a boon!
* forelocks tugged *

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Imprison! Imprison! Imprison! at April 08, 2025 12:27 PM (xG4kz)

41 And by the time your article goes up, it's down to only 1.3% up and falling fast. Good luck trying to figure out any of this shit in the short term.

Posted by: Drunken Yoda at April 08, 2025 12:27 PM (gQsiO)

42 Upon complete civilization collapse, which will be more valuable? A pound of gold, or a box of .22 ammo?
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (pohLc)

Neither. The reavers will take both. You'd be better off having nothing.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:27 PM (dGCAG)

43 Once upon a time i used to make a ton of money just squatting on the VIX and making moves on its associated ETFs as it bounced around.

Takes to much time and energy though for the piddly little amount i was shilly shallying around with.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 08, 2025 12:27 PM (VoAdT)

44 The surefire way to get the stock market to go bull is to get Jim Cramer to say that everything is going to hell.

Or Nancy Pelosi to say it's not.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 08, 2025 12:27 PM (2ocoG)

45 I don't actually think that Trump wants to reduce all the world's tariffs.
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It's a little difficult to finance the USA on tariffs and get rid of the income tax and [new announcement] the capital gains tax if you're not collecting tariffs i.e. if they're set to zero, both directions, for all trade partners.

Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 08, 2025 12:27 PM (/tzYP)

46 I make money, regardless.
Posted by: Your Stockbroker

Same here.
Posted by: Your Precious Metals Dealer

Morning all.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 08, 2025 12:27 PM (P58QN)

47 >>>That doesn't happen if the world just lowers all of its tariffs. Trump's preference is a protectionist policy to rebuild American industry. Reducing the world's tariffs doesn't help protect American industry.

I hope you're right. Because as you say, it is imperative that we bring blue collar jobs back to Americans.

On both ends. Kick out illegals, on-shore jobs that have been off-shored.

Tariff's aren't the prettiest way to accomplish that, but I know I can't think of another option.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 12:27 PM (uCjyK)

48 A pound of gold, or a box of .22 ammo?
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (pohLc)

Probably take less of the ammo to acquire the gold than vice versa.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 08, 2025 12:28 PM (ExV1e)

49 We need them to pick our cotton.

Jasmine Crockett says immigrants can't leave because "we done picking cotton"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 08, 2025 12:28 PM (L/fGl)

50 I got a web page hijack on the front page here. Some kind of gift card give away.

Posted by: Max Power at April 08, 2025 12:28 PM (q177U)

51 Cue Blood, Sweat & Tears:

What goes down
Must go up
Spinning Dow
Drink from this cup

(Sorry, the parody disintegrated because not much rhymes with "up.")

Posted by: zombie at April 08, 2025 12:28 PM (pMi6S)

52 Upon complete civilization collapse, which will be more valuable? A pound of gold, or a box of .22 ammo?
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (pohLc)

A pallet or two of .223 or 5.56 may suit you better. Plus the skillsets. Don't forget food and water.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, Ltd. at April 08, 2025 12:28 PM (Xr4QU)

53
The Shorters tried, I'll say that.

They were throwing out words like "Crash" and "Armageddon" like candy.

Yeah, I saw "armageddon" a lot buy fake financial "influencers" all weekend.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 12:29 PM (Ks1zr)

54 Meanwhile, the Chinese market actually did crash and Xi cut off rare earth exports to retaliate. As many have pointed out, that's basically China's nuclear option. He blew his load immediately, unlike The Paolo, and now there's nothing left.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 08, 2025 12:29 PM (2ocoG)

55 And by the time your article goes up, it's down to only 1.3% up and falling fast. Good luck trying to figure out any of this shit in the short term.
Posted by: Drunken Yoda

Turn those graphics back on!!!

Posted by: Randolph and Mortimer CNN at April 08, 2025 12:29 PM (w9Wax)

56 Jasmine Crockett says immigrants can't leave because "we done picking cotton"
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"Fundamentally non-serious" choice.

Posted by: Crusader at April 08, 2025 12:29 PM (TN0g+)

57 I don't view tariffs as good or bad, they are just another tool in the world of international trade. Certainly our founders didn't view tariffs as bad and neither do all the countries that have had them on us for years.

How they are used is the issue just like with any other tool.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 08, 2025 12:29 PM (LkLld)

58 But I don't think Trump wants a more free trade world. I think he believes tariffs are a good in and of themselves, and not just a bargaining chip to bring about a global free trade zone.

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I don't know what Trump really wants - nobody does yet - but I hope you're right, at least to an extent.

I'd like to see bilateral free trade agreements with most of the industrialized world, and I don't much care if destitute basket case countries tariff us to help develop their own industrial bases. I think improving conditions in shithole countries would benefit us in the long term, especially if we actually start producing exports again.

But there are certain countries like Brazil, and much of Asia who I want to see humbled, put in their place, and made submissive to the United States. And once there, I'd like our economic boot on their necks, and occasionally twisted as a not so gentle reminder.

Whether that's possible boils down to whether we can withstand more pain than them, which is definitely in question, and Trump's opinion on that question is likely the determining factor.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 08, 2025 12:29 PM (BI5O2)

59 We need them to pick our cotton.

Jasmine Crockett says immigrants can't leave because "we done picking cotton"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

And she's too stupid to see just how rayciss that is.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 08, 2025 12:30 PM (P58QN)

60 I kind of want Blood, Sweat & Tears to do a collab with Earth, Wind, & Fire.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 08, 2025 12:30 PM (Oq5OE)

61 42 Upon complete civilization collapse, which will be more valuable? A pound of gold, or a box of .22 ammo?
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (pohLc)

Neither. The reavers will take both. You'd be better off having nothing.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:27 PM (dGCAG)

Bullshit. There will be dead reavers all over North America.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:30 PM (xcxpd)

62 CNN when the stock market is down: OMG Trump is killing all of us!

CNN when the stock market is up: Now we head to New Jersey where Trump has arrested an innocent tortilla vendor from Guatemala!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 08, 2025 12:30 PM (u73oe)

63
The Perennially False cockslapper jim kramer predicted a Black Monday.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 12:30 PM (Ks1zr)

64 Trump's strategic goal is to reboot American Manufacturing. It's a matter of national security.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 08, 2025 12:30 PM (pohLc)

65 Tariff's aren't the prettiest way to accomplish that, but I know I can't think of another option.

Eliminate the EPA and OSHA?

Posted by: Ian S. at April 08, 2025 12:30 PM (2ocoG)

66 (Sorry, the parody disintegrated because not much rhymes with "up.")
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Krupp?? bankrupt; corrupt; shtup??

Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 08, 2025 12:30 PM (/tzYP)

67 Why not produce everything that this country is or will be capable of produces that is also consumed in this country.

Posted by: MAC V SOG at April 08, 2025 12:30 PM (P4Pk9)

68 19 As someone who has no money, I find the stock market freakouts very entertaining.
Posted by: huerfano

Experts say that money is fungible, but I broke my fungo bat.

Posted by: Poor Farm On Deck at April 08, 2025 12:30 PM (G5+As)

69 Wouldn't lowering global tariffs and other trade barriers, at least in theory, allow US industries to move more product into overseas markets and actually be able to sell it, thereby increasing domestic production and jobs?
Posted by: ballistic at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (wyUwI)

Theoretically, I suppose, the U.S. could ramp up a manufacturing boom to essentially make everything we need right here.

But... in reality, the world would be better off if nobody had tariffs. Period. There's really no logical argument otherwise.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:31 PM (dGCAG)

70 Money is fungible which is why I regularly disinfect it.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 08, 2025 12:31 PM (Oq5OE)

71 Several times I've seen folks whining that the way, and who was included, in the tariffs doesn't make sense.

None address the "because we can."

Like we're not supposed to do what we can do, that benefits us, unless we hire the best experts, collate all the data, calculate the precise formulas with mathematical and logical accuracy, then present the results to a panel for approval.

This ain't college, nerd, this is the real world.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 08, 2025 12:31 PM (r/ymJ)

72 I've been reading the back and forth insults between Musk and Peter Navarro. Navarro is Trump's top trade advisor and Musk apparently doesn't like the tariffs being enacted and called Navarro "truly a moron" and "dumber than a sack of bricks".

Don't know what is going on here....anyone?

Posted by: Cheri at April 08, 2025 12:31 PM (oiNtH)

73 I just wish .22lr was more reliable. It's fun and useful but...I can't quite bring myself to carry one.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:31 PM (xcxpd)

74 33 Wouldn't lowering global tariffs and other trade barriers, at least in theory, allow US industries to move more product into overseas markets and actually be able to sell it, thereby increasing domestic production and jobs?
Posted by: ballistic at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (wyUwI)

All things being equal, yes.

However, all things aren't equal. Every country has different industry subsidies rules, minimum wages, handles healthcare differently, has different environmental regs, etc. etc.

And that's if everyone is playing by the rules, and in good faith trying to encourage international trade. Which no one is. They're trying to do what is best for their own country, or at least the wealthy and powerful in those countries. Which is what we'd expect.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 12:31 PM (uCjyK)

75 >>When the Stock Market is going down, CNN puts an obnoxious graphic on their screen to track it in real time.

When the Stock Market is going up, CNN removes the graphic and changes the subject.

--

When a Republican is president, the names of the war dead are intoned nightly. When he leaves, they stop dying.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at April 08, 2025 12:32 PM (wzAuc)

76
Jasmine Crockett says immigrants can't leave because "we done picking cotton"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence

Jasmine is a colossal ignoramus. Cotton is harvested by machine these days.

However, if "her people" want to have a recreational and artisanal experience, they are more than welcome to walk through a harvested cotton field and pick whatever cotton bolls were left behind.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Imprison! Imprison! Imprison! at April 08, 2025 12:32 PM (xG4kz)

77 Tariff's aren't the prettiest way to accomplish that, but I know I can't think of another option.

If tariffs are the only option wouldn't that make them the prettiest?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 08, 2025 12:32 PM (ExV1e)

78
Since this Panic-Hoax failed, it's time to move on the next panic hoax.

Maybe the Media Hoaxers will pivot back to being fake "experts" on Due Process for Illegals.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 12:32 PM (Ks1zr)

79 Neither. The reavers will take both. You'd be better off having nothing.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:27 PM (dGCAG)

Bullshit. There will be dead reavers all over North America.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:30 PM (xcxpd)

Sure, but the reavers don't care if they die.

You do.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:32 PM (dGCAG)

80
btw, I never realized until late in life that DEF LEPPARD's Armageddon song was just those kraut idiots trying to say "I'm getting it."

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 12:33 PM (Ks1zr)

81 And she's too stupid to see just how rayciss that is.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 08, 2025 12:30 PM (P58QN)

Or she's too racist to see how stupid that is.

Posted by: Emmie at April 08, 2025 12:33 PM (Sf2cq)

82 I'm not sure the stock market reflects any part of Trump's economic efforts. Maybe tariffs contributed to the drop last week, but the market was headed for a sizeable correction anyway, or so Warren Buffet has said for a couple of months. Trump is aiming to improve the American fiscal situation, national security, and industrial base in a really fundamental way. It stands to reason those improvements will take time to be felt in stocks.

If you are a short term trader I would be cautious buying this bounce, only because the market still feels like it could drop a bit more.

But if you invest for the long haul a big drop is probably always a good time to buy in.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 08, 2025 12:33 PM (O8vMq)

83 The surefire way to get the stock market to go bull is to get Jim Cramer to say that everything is going to hell.
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He was one of the loudest voices saying yesterday was going to be "black Monday."
Going so far as saying that he had sold all his stock and was only sitting on cash.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 08, 2025 12:33 PM (r/ymJ)

84 When a Republican president has a strong stock market the stock market is not the economy.

Posted by: steevy at April 08, 2025 12:33 PM (KQk9m)

85 79 Neither. The reavers will take both. You'd be better off having nothing.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:27 PM (dGCAG)

Bullshit. There will be dead reavers all over North America.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:30 PM (xcxpd)

Sure, but the reavers don't care if they die.

You do.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:32 PM (dGCAG)

Not really. I don't got that much going on, so I'll put bodies down to keep the wife, the dogs and my stuff around.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:33 PM (xcxpd)

86 Hardly, its about buying during this dip. I put another 10k in yesterday, lol.

Posted by: Fisht at April 08, 2025 12:33 PM (BHEHK)

87 Trump's strategic goal is to reboot American Manufacturing. It's a matter of national security.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 08, 2025 12:30 PM (pohLc)

Considering the USA only has 6 active Coke Batteries for steel making...long way to go. You can thank the EPA for closing the Coke Battery operation in Erie, PA a few years ago.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, Ltd. at April 08, 2025 12:33 PM (Xr4QU)

88
Don't know what is going on here....anyone?
Posted by: Cheri

Elon should take a break from X, pause, and relax.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Imprison! Imprison! Imprison! at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM (xG4kz)

89 Last I checked, we used huge combines to pick cotton, as imbeciles like Crockett and wetbacks were too slow and expensive.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM (pohLc)

90 73 I just wish .22lr was more reliable. It's fun and useful but...I can't quite bring myself to carry one.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo

Rimfires have always been problematic.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM (/U5Yz)

91 I just wish .22lr was more reliable. It's fun and useful but...I can't quite bring myself to carry one.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:31 PM (xcxpd)

They're small. Carry a second one as backup.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM (i24o9)

92 But... in reality, the world would be better off if nobody had tariffs. Period. There's really no logical argument otherwise.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:31 PM (dGCAG)
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Governments are a necessary evil.
Governments need to be financed.
There are two ways to do that, mostly:
1) Tax other countries on the goods we import from them (Tariffs). This isn't a magic bullet, but I'd argue it's at least better than...
2) Tax your own citizens.

Posted by: ballistic at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM (wyUwI)

93 I'm open to the idea of tariffs as a replacement for the income tax. As an add-on? not so much

Surely there are other things government is doing that encourages production to move overseas that can be repealed (e.g. regulations, taxes, etc) before resorting to tariffs.

Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM (V6W16)

94 (Sorry, the parody disintegrated because not much rhymes with "up.")
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Krupp?? bankrupt; corrupt; shtup??
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 08, 2025 12:30 PM (/tzYP)

Lilly, is that you??

/Hedley Lamar

Posted by: Sturmtoddler at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM (nXhwP)

95 Like if Apple tried to build the iphone in the US, they couldn't do it as cheaply as they do in China.

In China, the people who work for Foxconn are living in company towns where they owe their soul to the company store and they work in buildings surrounded by anti-jumping suicide nets. They get paid basically nothing at the end of the day, since they have to pay their wages back to the company for room and board.

I don't think Americans would be willing to compete on labor costs there.

Or the Vietnamese sweet shops with children who are basically slaves making sneakers.

So we say "well, hey, child slavery is free trade! It's a good thing!" or we say "yeah, that's fucked. Let's make our shoes without slaves."

Obviously the moneyed interests would like us all to to say the former.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM (uCjyK)

96 I just wish .22lr was more reliable. It's fun and useful but...I can't quite bring myself to carry one.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Q:How many guns do you have?

A: On me at this moment? Or in total?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM (P58QN)

97 But... in reality, the world would be better off if nobody had tariffs. Period. There's really no logical argument otherwise.
Posted by: BurtTC at

If we assume a world where we have no enemies or powerful rivals, and all countries had similarly advanced labor markets and regulatory schema, then yes. But, if "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, then every day would be Christmas.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM (BI5O2)

98 But... in reality, the world would be better off if nobody had tariffs. Period. There's really no logical argument otherwise.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:31 PM (dGCAG)

This is laughable.

The logic of tariffs is clear. Protecting domestic markets from predatory pricing is absolutely the logical thing to do.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at April 08, 2025 12:35 PM (L5An7)

99 77 Tariff's aren't the prettiest way to accomplish that, but I know I can't think of another option.

If tariffs are the only option wouldn't that make them the prettiest?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 08, 2025 12:32 PM (ExV1e)

The Belle of the Ball in a sausagefest.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 08, 2025 12:35 PM (bss/y)

100 @58

>>I don't know what Trump really wants - nobody does yet - but I hope you're right, at least to an extent.

He literally laid out what he wants in 1988.
https://tinyurl.com/nnd7t8n

Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 08, 2025 12:35 PM (XV/Pl)

101 When Commies Lose, America Wins.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 08, 2025 12:35 PM (wtvvX)

102 Q:How many guns do you have?

A: On me at this moment? Or in total?
Posted by: rickb223 at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM (P58QN)

One of those questions, I can answer easily. The other....much harder.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:35 PM (xcxpd)

103 Upon complete civilization collapse, which will be more valuable? A pound of gold, or a box of .22 ammo?
Posted by: Xipe Totec

That better be a big box. That pound of gold is like 48k.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 08, 2025 12:35 PM (mlg/3)

104 And she's too stupid to see just how rayciss that is.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 08, 2025 12:30 PM (P58QN)

Or she's too racist to see how stupid that is.
Posted by: Emmie at April 08, 2025 12:33 PM (Sf2cq)

Embrace the power of AND.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 08, 2025 12:36 PM (VNX3d)

105 He's busting the budget!

Trump to Spend $45B Expanding Facilities for Illegal Alien Detention

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 08, 2025 12:36 PM (L/fGl)

106 I'm pretty sure the markets go up under the (days of) Presidencies of Federal district judges. They go down whenever Trump is the President.

Posted by: t-bird at April 08, 2025 12:36 PM (iDNwP)

107 Your Stockbroker at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (w9Wax)

Don’t you stop existing sometime in the 2000s?

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 12:36 PM (Y5yQx)

108 #72 Last Minute Leak @LastMinuteLeak 2h
🚨LML: MUSK: NAVARRO IS TRULY A MORON.
MUSK RESPONDED AFTER NAVARRO YESTERDAY CALLED TESLA A "CAR ASSEMBLER".

Last Minute Leak @LastMinuteLeak 20m
LML: MUSK: TESLA "MOST VERTICALLY INTEGRATED" US AUTO MANUFACTURER.

unusual_whales @unusual_whales 5h
BREAKING: Elon Musk made direct appeals to Trump to reverse the new tariffs, per WaPo.

unusual_whales @unusual_whales Apr 6
Elon Musk has said he hopes that United States and Europe can establish a "zero-tariff" system and a "free trade zone."

unusual_whales @unusual_whales Apr 6
Fox: Elon Musk took a shot on you on X and he's going against the administration with respect to tariffs. Is there a rift?

Counselor to the President of the United States, Peter Navarro: Look, Elon when he's in his DOGE lane is great, but we understand what's going on here. Elon sells cars. He's simply protecting his own interests.

unusual_whales @unusual_whales 4h
Billionaire Ken Griffin said Donald Trump’s latest tariffs amount to a hefty tax on middle-class families and are a “huge policy mistake” by the administration

Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 08, 2025 12:36 PM (/tzYP)

109 Q:How many guns do you have?

A: On me at this moment? Or in total?
Posted by: rickb223 at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM (P58QN

A: Never enough.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, Ltd. at April 08, 2025 12:36 PM (Xr4QU)

110 Not really. I don't got that much going on, so I'll put bodies down to keep the wife, the dogs and my stuff around.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:33 PM (xcxpd)

Everyone thinks they'll be the ones to hold out. To keep the reavers from getting in.

You won't be. They'll get in.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:37 PM (dGCAG)

111 Rimfires have always been problematic.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM (/U5Yz)

Stop buying cheap ass ammo. The stuff I shoot casts $10 for a box of 50, but shoots dime size groups at 50 yds.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 08, 2025 12:37 PM (pohLc)

112 If tariffs are the only option wouldn't that make them the prettiest?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 08, 2025 12:32 PM (ExV1e)

I think so, but I'm open to other ideas. None of the anti-tariff people can seem to come up with any. They'll kind of admit that there's an issue here, but they'll either say "that's globalism and progress for you!" or some vague platitudes about raising the minimum wage or paying living wages.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 12:37 PM (uCjyK)

113 How old is Wolf Blitzer: 103?? I remember that guy during the gulf war 1991 on CNN. Great name is Wolf… but that can’t be the name on his birth certificate. It’s like Tiger for that Woods fella….. is Wolf’s real first name Eldrick?

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 08, 2025 12:37 PM (WdMlw)

114 I just wish .22lr was more reliable. It's fun and useful but...I can't quite bring myself to carry one.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:31 PM (xcxpd)

never shoot someone with something that's only going to piss them off...

Posted by: Sturmtoddler at April 08, 2025 12:37 PM (nXhwP)

115 Ugh, it's *tit-for-tat*, retarded autocorrect 😡

Posted by: logprof at April 08, 2025 12:37 PM (6n0Ih)

116 60 I kind of want Blood, Sweat & Tears to do a collab with Earth, Wind, & Fire.

Posted by: WitchDoktor

In an Alternate Universe, there is the rockin'est Heavy Metal band of all time called Blood, Sweat & Fire, while there is the wimpiest airy-fairy soft-rock group called Earth, Wind & Tears.

Posted by: zombie at April 08, 2025 12:37 PM (pMi6S)

117 91 I just wish .22lr was more reliable. It's fun and useful but...I can't quite bring myself to carry one.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:31 PM (xcxpd)

They're small. Carry a second one as backup.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM (i24o9)

I like the larger .22's. The g44 is about as small as I want to go for comfortable shooting. But yes, you can get some small .22's. Maybe if I ever get money again, I'll look at some pocket sized tools.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:37 PM (xcxpd)

118 96 I just wish .22lr was more reliable. It's fun and useful but...I can't quite bring myself to carry one.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Q:How many guns do you have?

A: On me at this moment? Or in total?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM (P58QN)

Including the ones I accidentally lost overboard in the lake?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 08, 2025 12:37 PM (wtvvX)

119 Can’t these dudes have their spats in private?

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 12:38 PM (Y5yQx)

120 But... in reality, the world would be better off if nobody had tariffs. Period. There's really no logical argument otherwise.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:31 PM (dGCAG)

This is laughable.

The logic of tariffs is clear. Protecting domestic markets from predatory pricing is absolutely the logical thing to do.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at April 08, 2025 12:35 PM (L5An7)

Once again, you're wrong. As usual.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:38 PM (dGCAG)

121 108 unusual_whales @unusual_whales 4h
Billionaire Ken Griffin said Donald Trump’s latest tariffs amount to a hefty tax on middle-class families and are a “huge policy mistake” by the administration
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 08, 2025 12:36 PM (/tzYP)

========

They're the only tax I can choose to avoid.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 08, 2025 12:38 PM (GBKbO)

122 Governments are a necessary evil.
Governments need to be financed.
There are two ways to do that, mostly:
1) Tax other countries on the goods we import from them (Tariffs). This isn't a magic bullet, but I'd argue it's at least better than...
2) Tax your own citizens.
Posted by: ballistic at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM (wyUwI)

You forgot 3: plunder on the high seas. We’ve got the world’s biggest navy, let’s use it for something good for once! Embrace pirate-ocracy!

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 08, 2025 12:38 PM (l3YAf)

123 He was one of the loudest voices saying yesterday was going to be "black Monday."
Going so far as saying that he had sold all his stock and was only sitting on cash.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice

I wonder if Cramer knows how many people laugh at him and as the saying goes "If Cramer recommends something, do the opposite"? Newsmax was laughing at him this morning about the forewarned Black Monday from Cramer and how more often than not, always ends up looking foolish.

Posted by: Cheri at April 08, 2025 12:38 PM (oiNtH)

124 VDH interview with Michael Walsh
https://tinyurl.com/5n628bvj

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 08, 2025 12:38 PM (mlg/3)

125 114 I just wish .22lr was more reliable. It's fun and useful but...I can't quite bring myself to carry one.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:31 PM (xcxpd)

never shoot someone with something that's only going to piss them off...
Posted by: Sturmtoddler at April 08, 2025 12:37 PM (nXhwP)

Putting several .22's into someone's head or thoracic cavity has proven effective. Not great stopping power but it kills orcs dead.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:38 PM (xcxpd)

126 That better be a big box. That pound of gold is like 48k.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 08, 2025 12:35 PM (mlg/3)

Before civilization, gold was used as sling ammo. Get it?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 08, 2025 12:38 PM (pohLc)

127 I’m so tired of this “tarriff is a tax on consumers” shit. Know what else is a tax? $40T debt. That’s what.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 12:39 PM (Y5yQx)

128 > Rimfires have always been problematic.

Also, no dry firing practice allowed.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 08, 2025 12:39 PM (lIio7)

129 The revisionist history of the libs is that everything was absolutely perfect for everyone just a few months ago.

Which is why Kamala ran on a platform of sweeping change.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 08, 2025 12:39 PM (KbCG3)

130 CNN broadcasting fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

Shocking.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 08, 2025 12:39 PM (7NKxb)

131 yes they are both very smart people, ken should stay out of this lane of the PCH

Posted by: miguel cervantes at April 08, 2025 12:40 PM (bXbFr)

132 Kramer >>> Cramer

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 08, 2025 12:40 PM (wtvvX)

133 110 Not really. I don't got that much going on, so I'll put bodies down to keep the wife, the dogs and my stuff around.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:33 PM (xcxpd)

Everyone thinks they'll be the ones to hold out. To keep the reavers from getting in.

You won't be. They'll get in.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:37 PM (dGCAG)

We have different world views, here.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:40 PM (xcxpd)

134 Jasmine is a colossal ignoramus. Cotton is harvested by machine these days.
=====================
And (as everyone here probably already knows) she herself is a total fraud, having been educated at St. Louis Country Day School, Rhodes College, and being a law school graduate who owned her own ambulance chasing firm in Houston.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 08, 2025 12:40 PM (P51yg)

135 118 96 I just wish .22lr was more reliable. It's fun and useful but...I can't quite bring myself to carry one.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Q:How many guns do you have?

A: On me at this moment? Or in total?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM (P58QN)

Including the ones I accidentally lost overboard in the lake?
Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 08, 2025 12:37 PM (wtvvX)

Those might not be as safe as you thought. There are people who go magnet fishing, who can bring them out without you knowing.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 08, 2025 12:40 PM (VNX3d)

136 unusual_whales @unusual_whales 4h
Billionaire Ken Griffin said Donald Trump’s latest tariffs amount to a hefty tax on middle-class families and are a “huge policy mistake” by the administration
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 08, 2025 12:36 PM (/tzYP)

Yes, I'm sure Ken Griffin is upset about the tariffs.

Incidentally, what ever happened to that SEC investigation we were promised in to Citadel and market manipulation around Gamestop during COVID?

Seems to be Ken Griffin is NOT in prison even though he absolutely should be.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 12:40 PM (uCjyK)

137 Stock futures rebound on talks of de-escalation? Of course fox news will do the "we told you so" if market does in fact go green today.

De-escalate the trade war that you started. These are games to scare people and screw with their emotions, and to distract from destruction of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

the administration is claiming that 70 countries are looking for talks. Whether that's accurate or not is another question. Lowered tariffs aren't going to address the trade deficits which is why Trump wants tariffs, it's unclear if he will be satisfied with the nominal win that doesn't change anything.

My portfolio lost 5.5% in value since last Wednesday. Even if someone came in and waved a magic wand to put everthing back, it would take a few months to recover that loss. Best case scenario.

Honestly, I think China may be better situated for this trade war. What is it that they *must* import from the U.S. anyway? They *don't* want to lose the US as a customer. But even with a doubling of prices, I still don't see how an American supplier competes.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at April 08, 2025 12:41 PM (JCZqz)

138 I've been reading the back and forth insults between Musk and Peter Navarro. Navarro is Trump's top trade advisor and Musk apparently doesn't like the tariffs being enacted and called Navarro "truly a moron" and "dumber than a sack of bricks".

Don't know what is going on here....anyone?

Tesla is heavily exposed to Chy-nuh for batteries and other component parts. Navarro isn't completely wrong to call them a "car assembler".

Posted by: Ian S. at April 08, 2025 12:41 PM (2ocoG)

139 I just wish .22lr was more reliable. It's fun and useful but...I can't quite bring myself to carry one.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:31 PM (xcxpd)

never shoot someone with something that's only going to piss them off...

-------
Professional hits have been made with .22

Posted by: Crusader at April 08, 2025 12:41 PM (TN0g+)

140 But... in reality, the world would be better off if nobody had tariffs. Period. There's really no logical argument otherwise.
Posted by: BurtTC at

If we assume a world where we have no enemies or powerful rivals, and all countries had similarly advanced labor markets and regulatory schema, then yes. But, if "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, then every day would be Christmas.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM (BI5O2)

So you're just going to tariff your way to beating everybody else in the world?

Who wins? Certainly not the American consumer. The ONLY way Trump's policy wins is if everyone he's going after backs down, and gets rid of their tariffs.

Or... you go back to isolationist America, where we don't need anybody else, where we have self-sustaining markets, that internally work on a solid free trade principle.

Now there's a fantasy, if ever I saw one.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:41 PM (dGCAG)

141 73 I just wish .22lr was more reliable. It's fun and useful but...I can't quite bring myself to carry one.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:31 PM (xcxpd)
---
Good to carry when you're out and about on your own land and the only threats are danger noodles and other small critters that need to be dispatched with. Throw it in an OWB holster with a suppressor on it so you don't need earpro should you need to deploy it.

Wouldn't trust it against any bipedal threats.

Posted by: ballistic at April 08, 2025 12:41 PM (wyUwI)

142 All our front end taxes punish domestic manufacturing and encourage outsourcing everything. Unless we replace all that with a national sales tax (and, No shit Sherlock, it will take Constitutional amendments) then the way to go is with tariffs.

To even out with the front end taxes it would probably take an across the board tariff on order of 50% to level the playing field.
Or just replace it all with national sales tax...

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 08, 2025 12:41 PM (H/2Ua)

143 Also, no dry firing practice allowed.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 08, 2025 12:39 PM (lIio7)

Depends on the weapon design. I have some that are dry fire safe.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 08, 2025 12:41 PM (pohLc)

144 I got a web page hijack on the front page here. Some kind of gift card give away.

Posted by: Max Power at April 08, 2025 12:28 PM (q177U)

Main page was loading hinky yesterday, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 08, 2025 12:42 PM (8zz6B)

145 Cook claimed that labor cost is NOT the reason to build iphones in CRP. It is ...tooling engineering. Apparently this precious skill is no longer available in the US!

Posted by: runner at April 08, 2025 12:42 PM (g47mK)

146 How old is Wolf Blitzer: 103?? I remember that guy during the gulf war 1991 on CNN. Great name is Wolf… but that can’t be the name on his birth certificate. It’s like Tiger for that Woods fella….. is Wolf’s real first name Eldrick?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt

My favorite Blitzer time was when he was on Celebrity Jeopardy. He was so bad, they had to front him money (First time in Jeopardy history) to keep him in the game because it was for charity. An actual wolf would have done better.

Posted by: Cheri at April 08, 2025 12:42 PM (oiNtH)

147 "But I don't think Trump wants a more free trade world. I think he believes tariffs are a good in and of themselves, and not just a bargaining chip to bring about a global free trade zone."

----------------

I don't think (and don't hope) it's that simple. Trump needs the moral high ground, otherwise it's just a showdown of bullies, and wars start that way. Saying that he is 're-balancing' trade is that high ground, saying he is making things 'fair'. (And it's hard to disagree when looking at the evidence.) But if countries make legitimate concessions and Trump doesn't offer anything in return, he's lost the high ground & credibility and knives will be out.

That said, tariffs aren't the only trade barriers. China could lower tariffs but the fact remains that the state props up many of their industries, including steel. So it's very fair to keep tariffs on Chinese steel as reciprocal for their state subsidies of it, which 'protects' our steel industry. But if China dropped all tariffs and privatized their steel industry, we should reciprocate. And frankly, we should be able to compete (heavy industry in non-Japan Asia would be a train wreck without state subsidies).

Posted by: bearski at April 08, 2025 12:42 PM (Bhsk7)

148 It lessened my panic because I mostly didn't read anything on tarriffs or what the MSM thought of them or of Trump, and took most of the day off yesterday from cell phone ( except when people I knew texted me) and computer .

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 08, 2025 12:42 PM (+qm33)

149 not CRP - CRC

Posted by: runner at April 08, 2025 12:42 PM (g47mK)

150 137 My portfolio lost 5.5% in value since last Wednesday. Even if someone came in and waved a magic wand to put everthing back, it would take a few months to recover that loss. Best case scenario.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at April 08, 2025 12:41 PM (JCZqz)

=======

This guy hated Biden in autumn of 2022, right?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 08, 2025 12:42 PM (GBKbO)

151 My portfolio lost 5.5% in value since last Wednesday. Even if someone came in and waved a magic wand to put everthing back, it would take a few months to recover that loss. Best case scenario.

—

Oh God!! A few months? Shit. Better just off yourself now man.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 12:42 PM (Y5yQx)

152 138 I've been reading the back and forth insults between Musk and Peter Navarro. Navarro is Trump's top trade advisor and Musk apparently doesn't like the tariffs being enacted and called Navarro "truly a moron" and "dumber than a sack of bricks".

Don't know what is going on here....anyone?

Tesla is heavily exposed to Chy-nuh for batteries and other component parts. Navarro isn't completely wrong to call them a "car assembler".

Posted by: Ian S. at April 08, 2025 12:41 PM (2ocoG)

Perhaps Elon should consider onshoring some of that...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 08, 2025 12:42 PM (wtvvX)

153 But I don't think Trump wants a more free trade world. I think he believes tariffs are a good in and of themselves, and not just a bargaining chip to bring about a global free trade zone.
=
I think he might accept mutual (really) free trade with a smaller number of countries that actually want to be our friends (Israel, Japan? Taiwan?) and leave tariffs on most everyone else.

Posted by: Methos at April 08, 2025 12:42 PM (Dnobf)

154 Good afternoon Ace and everyone
Early day

Posted by: Skip at April 08, 2025 12:42 PM (ypFCm)

155 Shit like what Canada does with it dairy industry. Etc. Even with zero tariffs we’re still at a disadvantage with most countries.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (Y5yQx)

Pookette's school librarian grew up on a Canadian dairy farm. Don't get her started on the stupidity of Canada's dairy regulations. Her parents still have to dump lots of perfectly good milk constantly.

Posted by: pookysgirl loves bulk tank milk at April 08, 2025 12:43 PM (Wt5PA)

156 Jasmine is a colossal ignoramus. Cotton is harvested by machine these days.
=====================
And (as everyone here probably already knows) she herself is a total fraud, having been educated at St. Louis Country Day School, Rhodes College, and being a law school graduate who owned her own ambulance chasing firm in Houston.
-----------
I refuse to believe she passed the bar without cheating or assistance. She's as dumb as a box of rocks.

Posted by: Crusader at April 08, 2025 12:43 PM (TN0g+)

157 If America drops tariffs, for even one country then China and other countries flood that country with their crap to bypass their own tariffs.

Posted by: Stateless...86% - mental state clawing up from 10% at April 08, 2025 12:43 PM (jvJvP)

158 tbh, I really don't care; we will see whatactually happens in a while. hopefully we will then do what seems best (is this old-school or what?) for the people and the "economy"
empiricism is about all we got; theory got us where we are today (effed)

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 08, 2025 12:43 PM (/Ghsb)

159 He's busting the budget!

Trump to Spend $45B Expanding Facilities for Illegal Alien Detention
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

That $5 billion for the wall isn't looking too expensive now, is it?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 08, 2025 12:43 PM (P58QN)

160
Watch:

Here's Kevin OLeary trying to explain tariffs, trade, and china to a stupid lying bitch on Yahoo fake news

https://is.gd/GTAgpJ

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 12:43 PM (Ks1zr)

161 I can't wait until even more fed employees get fired.

VA politics could change materially very quickly.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 08, 2025 12:43 PM (GBKbO)

162 well, theory and the malicious desire for destruction and slavery ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 08, 2025 12:44 PM (/Ghsb)

163 SCOTUS smacks down another district court judge rules that yes the head of the exec branch can fire people.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 08, 2025 12:44 PM (MGB5H)

164 The USA is the world's 4th largest steel producer:

http://tiny.cc/jcuf001
World figures; Wiki

Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 08, 2025 12:44 PM (/tzYP)

165 And she's too stupid to see just how rayciss that is.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 08, 2025 12:30 PM (P58QN)

And too ignorant to know that there are machines to do that work now.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 08, 2025 12:44 PM (8zz6B)

166 I saw Earth open for Fire at the Pangea Breakup Concert in 200 Million B.C.

Posted by: Triassic Crocadilians at April 08, 2025 12:44 PM (w9Wax)

167 AI animation of the Shroud of Turin image.

http://tiny.cc/tcuf001

Posted by: bonhomme at April 08, 2025 12:44 PM (lIio7)

168
As Kevin explains, china is a problem of its own -- our problem with china isn't just tariffs. Tariffs are just a small piece the major problem with china.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 12:45 PM (Ks1zr)

169 163 SCOTUS smacks down another district court judge rules that yes the head of the exec branch can fire people.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 08, 2025 12:44 PM (MGB5H)

=======

Who will think of the probationary IRS agents?

Won't anyone think of the probationary IRS agents?!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 08, 2025 12:45 PM (GBKbO)

170 is the 3% rally the same level of celebration as the 3% fall on Monday?

Posted by: Kindltot - eight furry chickens in white wine at April 08, 2025 12:45 PM (D7oie)

171
Honestly, I think China may be better situated for this trade war. What is it that they *must* import from the U.S. anyway? They *don't* want to lose the US as a customer. But even with a doubling of prices, I still don't see how an American supplier competes.
Posted by: Intercepted DU

In a nutshell this shows how uneducated the left really is.

It’s not a US competitor that China is worried about. It’s a Mexican competitor. Double the price of Chinese goods and Mexican goods look damn cheap by comparison. And are right next door.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 12:45 PM (Y5yQx)

172 Q:How many guns do you have?

A: On me at this moment? Or in total?
Posted by: rickb223 at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM

Unless you've gone trannie on us, you have *one* gun on you.

Now drop and give me twenty!

Posted by: GySgt. Hartmann at April 08, 2025 12:45 PM (g07/a)

173 @145

>>Cook claimed that labor cost is NOT the reason to build iphones in CRP. It is ...tooling engineering. Apparently this precious skill is no longer available in the US!

This is largely true, because of scales of economy and labor costs, many companies have simply outsourced fab to China and Taiwan.

There are companies that still fab in the US, Intel, TI and a handful of others, but there is simply no spare capacity to be had.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 08, 2025 12:45 PM (XV/Pl)

174 Afternoon ace. Someone said at the outset of the tariffs that no one has an idea where this ends up. Rattle the cages and see what looks good.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 08, 2025 12:45 PM (6TePA)

175 I hope you're right. Because as you say, it is imperative that we bring blue collar jobs back to Americans.

On both ends. Kick out illegals, on-shore jobs that have been off-shored.

Tariff's aren't the prettiest way to accomplish that, but I know I can't think of another option.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 12:27 PM (uCjyK)

The problem is, this is fundamentally a monetary phenomenon. What people are fussed over are trade deficits, but tariffs don’t do much to fix that. We can tariff the heck out of the rest of the world and still run trade deficits.

I’m honestly not sure this can be done without majorly breaking the world economy. If we actually do start reversing the flow of Dollars, we’ll see a surge of inflation.

I dunno.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 08, 2025 12:46 PM (l3YAf)

176 141 73 I just wish .22lr was more reliable. It's fun and useful but...I can't quite bring myself to carry one.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:31 PM (xcxpd)
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Good to carry when you're out and about on your own land and the only threats are danger noodles and other small critters that need to be dispatched with. Throw it in an OWB holster with a suppressor on it so you don't need earpro should you need to deploy it.

Wouldn't trust it against any bipedal threats.
Posted by: ballistic at April 08, 2025 12:41 PM (wyUwI)

Well my yard isn't that big, when I'm hiking I take a 10mm with 220 gr hardcasts. I do like them for pest control, I'd love to start dealing with the squirrels around here but....city limits.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:46 PM (xcxpd)

177 Honestly, I think China may be better situated for this trade war. What is it that they *must* import from the U.S. anyway? They *don't* want to lose the US as a customer. But even with a doubling of prices, I still don't see how an American supplier competes.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at April 08, 2025 12:41 PM (JCZqz)

Well, American ag exports feed an awful lot of their population. Food is sort of important to people.

Can they get it elsewhere for a similar price? Perhaps, but I doubt it. And they don't produce enough of their own in their yawning expanses of godawful soil. So that's some leverage, I think.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 08, 2025 12:46 PM (BI5O2)

178 138 I've been reading the back and forth insults between Musk and Peter Navarro. Navarro is Trump's top trade advisor and Musk apparently doesn't like the tariffs being enacted and called Navarro "truly a moron" and "dumber than a sack of bricks".

Don't know what is going on here....anyone?

Tesla is heavily exposed to Chy-nuh for batteries and other component parts. Navarro isn't completely wrong to call them a "car assembler".
Posted by: Ian S. at April 08, 2025 12:41 PM (2ocoG)

I think everyone knows my thoughts on Elon Musk, but here he is again, threatening and insulting people who are in support of Trumps biggest campaign promises.

He doesn't want tariffs for the same reason he wants unlimited H1B immigration -- he runs massive corporations that benefit immensely off this existing system at the expense of the American middle class, a group of people he has shown time and again he does not give a shit about.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 12:46 PM (uCjyK)

179 Cotton is the root of boll weevil. Sez right there in the good book.

Posted by: Jasmine Crockofshite at April 08, 2025 12:47 PM (w9Wax)

180 unusual_whales @unusual_whales 4h
Billionaire Ken Griffin said Donald Trump’s latest tariffs amount to a hefty tax on middle-class families and are a “huge policy mistake” by the administration
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 08, 2025 12:36 PM (/tzYP)
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This is true absent a tax bill. Tariffs are akin to a national consumption tax, and by definition that tax is regressive (ie, it hits lower income people harder as a per cent of available income). Probably only tax accountants get hit harder, since they would always prefer a loophole larded income tax system.

If Congress gets its thumbs out of their asses and passes Trump's tax bill then the impact on incomes will be helped. I haven't done the math but as a general statement that is true and Ken Griffen might then be able to stop worrying about middle class incomes.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 08, 2025 12:47 PM (1iRj/)

181 Cook claimed that labor cost is NOT the reason to build iphones in CRP. It is ...tooling engineering. Apparently this precious skill is no longer available in the US!
Posted by: runner

Tooling cost over there are a fraction of here. I suspect that has to do with so few tool and die people here now. Every one I have met is over 50.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 08, 2025 12:47 PM (zct9C)

182 btw, I never realized until late in life that DEF LEPPARD's Armageddon song was just those kraut idiots trying to say "I'm getting it."

Child of Kraut immigrants here. Def Leppard was an English Band; you might be thinking of the Scorpions which was another 80's band but were German.

Posted by: Nelly at April 08, 2025 12:47 PM (pSknm)

183 My favorite Blitzer time was when he was on Celebrity Jeopardy. He was so bad, they had to front him money (First time in Jeopardy history) to keep him in the game because it was for charity. An actual wolf would have done better.
Posted by: Cheri at April 08, 2025 12:42 PM (oiNtH)

--They did that for Jalen Rose, a leftards, as well. And he also blew Final Jeopardy!

Posted by: logprof at April 08, 2025 12:47 PM (6n0Ih)

184 Jasmine is a colossal ignoramus. Cotton is harvested by machine these days.
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This isn't about cotton,
It's about being Kangs!

Even if it living off EBT, it's not working!

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 08, 2025 12:47 PM (H/2Ua)

185 In a nutshell this shows how uneducated the left really is.

It’s not a US competitor that China is worried about. It’s a Mexican competitor. Double the price of Chinese goods and Mexican goods look damn cheap by comparison. And are right next door.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 12:45 PM (Y5yQx)

Mexico, which is a failed narco state is suddenly going to become a major hub of advanced electronics manufacturing?

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 08, 2025 12:48 PM (l3YAf)

186 SCOTUS smacks down another district court judge rules that yes the head of the exec branch can fire people.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 08, 2025 12:44 PM (MGB5H)

Did Lady Coney Barrett side with the minority again?

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 12:48 PM (Y5yQx)

187 But... in reality, the world would be better off if nobody had tariffs. Period. There's really no logical argument otherwise.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:31 PM (dGCAG)

We shouldn't trade with China at all, because any business interaction with the Chicoms corrupts us.

There are several other countries that applies to, but they're the worst at the moment.

Posted by: Methos at April 08, 2025 12:48 PM (Dnobf)

188 Everyone thinks they'll be the ones to hold out. To keep the reavers from getting in.

You won't be. They'll get in.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:37 PM (dGCAG)

We have different world views, here.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:40 PM (xcxpd)

Probably, but first of all, I'm not really seriously considering how any of this goes. I think people who are preparing for crises are doing the right thing, but a total breakdown of society?

I don't figure I'll survive for very long, and neither will most people who are doing everything they can to prepare for the eventualities.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:48 PM (dGCAG)

189 The problem is, this is fundamentally a monetary phenomenon. What people are fussed over are trade deficits, but tariffs don’t do much to fix that. We can tariff the heck out of the rest of the world and still run trade deficits.

I’m honestly not sure this can be done without majorly breaking the world economy. If we actually do start reversing the flow of Dollars, we’ll see a surge of inflation.

I dunno.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 08, 2025 12:46 PM (l3YAf)

I don't think that's entirely accurate, but a huge wrinkle in this entire tariff situation (and trade situation, and hollowing out of the middle class, and inflation, and the ability to deficit spend so much etc. etc.) is that we are the world's reserve currency.

I don't think anyone knows exactly how this will play out, but hopefully it works.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 12:48 PM (uCjyK)

190 My portfolio lost 5.5% in value since last Wednesday. Even if someone came in and waved a magic wand to put everthing back, it would take a few months to recover that loss. Best case scenario.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at April 08, 2025 12:41 PM (JCZqz)
____________

Dear Genius,

Did it take a few months to lose 5.5%?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 08, 2025 12:49 PM (YqDXo)

191 "But I don't think Trump wants a more free trade world."

I believe that is true. What I see coming from this is more Free World, trade and less trading with autocratic, oligarchic, countries.

Our Left has always loved slavery. They just went from private ownership to State ownership but used for private gain and often paid for and kept in place with OPM.

Posted by: geoffb at April 08, 2025 12:49 PM (r//c2)

192
Rimfires have always been problematic.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 08, 2025 12:34 PM (/U5Yz)

Stop buying cheap ass ammo. The stuff I shoot casts $10 for a box of 50, but shoots dime size groups at 50 yds.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 08, 2025 12:37 PM (pohLc)

Easy, CCI MiniMag and Bla*er rimfire. Close to 100% reliability. Winchester and Armscor is just a bit below the CCI on the list.

Remington rimfire ammo is the Devil's sweaty taint with anywhere between 20-40% misfires in my guns. Which is why it's the last rimfire to sell out when there's another flaming hair run on ammo.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 08, 2025 12:49 PM (y9nCu)

193 Did Lady Coney Barrett side with the minority again?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 12:48 PM (Y5yQx)

Without noted dissent.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 08, 2025 12:49 PM (MGB5H)

194 186 SCOTUS smacks down another district court judge rules that yes the head of the exec branch can fire people.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 08, 2025 12:44 PM (MGB5H)

Did Lady Coney Barrett side with the minority again?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 12:48 PM (Y5yQx)

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I may be reading the order wrong, but I think it was only Jackson who dissented.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 08, 2025 12:49 PM (GBKbO)

195 I took my NRA hunter safety course many years ago. One of the tactics they used were graphic pics of boys hung over barbed wire fences or lying on the ground in a pool of their own blood. Police photos. With their trusty .22 lying beside the body.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 08, 2025 12:50 PM (pohLc)

196 > Neither. The reavers will take both. You'd be better off having nothing.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:27 PM (dGCAG)

Death by Bunga-Bunga!

Posted by: The Reavers at April 08, 2025 12:50 PM (W5ArC)

197 194 186 SCOTUS smacks down another district court judge rules that yes the head of the exec branch can fire people.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 08, 2025 12:44 PM (MGB5H)

Did Lady Coney Barrett side with the minority again?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 12:48 PM (Y5yQx)

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I may be reading the order wrong, but I think it was only Jackson who dissented.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 08, 2025 12:49 PM (GBKbO)

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Nope. It was 7-2. Sotomayor and Jackson.

Not even Kagan sided with them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 08, 2025 12:50 PM (GBKbO)

198 Go long on movie stocks!

Greta Gerwig’s “Narnia” Remake Rejects Christian Allegory to Embrace Gender Politics

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 08, 2025 12:50 PM (L/fGl)

199 Jasmine Crockett says immigrants can't leave because "we done picking cotton"

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OMG, don't even tell me that's a real quote. When's the last time anyone has seen an American field full of anybody picking cotton with a bag slung over their shoulder?

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 08, 2025 12:50 PM (qBdHI)

200 Seeing in real time a change in thinking about tariffs on the 'right'. Like many others, I had evolved over time on foreign escapades like Iraq from supporter to skeptic. Now it's tariffs turn. I have been in favor of targeted use of tariffs since leadership of both parties have given the keys to the treasury to China with devastating consequences to places like the Ohio River Valley. Tariffs, like guns, are neither good nor bad, just simply a tool that can be used by leaders with good judgement in the interest of their constituents.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 08, 2025 12:50 PM (vBTQs)

201 It's ridiculous tribalism to follow the day to day market movements and proclaim "your side won". We're not even a week into the tariffs yet. There's going to be a lot of up and down. Not only that, but the markets were absurdly overpriced by nearly every metric, an extreme bubble caused by printing and spending 1 trillion dollars every 100 days.
Even at these levels, the markets are still extremely aggressively priced based on historical average p/e. The correction was overdue and necessary.

Posted by: FunkySeeFunkyDo at April 08, 2025 12:51 PM (JXyy5)

202 I'd love to start dealing with the squirrels around here but....city limits.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 08, 2025 12:46 PM (xcxpd)
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Reason #234425 to suppress your weapons.

My .22lr with the can on is quieter than a Red Ryder BB gun, lol

Posted by: ballistic at April 08, 2025 12:51 PM (wyUwI)

203 There are plenty of Black Farmers who pick cotton every year off their farms. They plant it they pick it they sell it. They make money. I'm so tired of hearing from stupid politicians who's minds are stuck in the 1800's. That shit talk don't fly with me. Maybe it's because l know better than an idiot who has probably never done an honest days work in her life.

Posted by: Case at April 08, 2025 12:51 PM (OrSPY)

204
Next week, all these fake tariff "experts" are going to become fake tax cut "experts."

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 12:51 PM (Ks1zr)

205 We shouldn't trade with China at all, because any business interaction with the Chicoms corrupts us.

There are several other countries that applies to, but they're the worst at the moment.
Posted by: Methos at April 08, 2025 12:48 PM (Dnobf)

True, and the reason we do it because greedy sons of bitches in this country decide to sell out the middle class, including the manufacturing sector... all those union jobs, to enrich themselves.

My belief is the animosity people in this country feel toward Chi Nah is misdirected. Chi Nah just does what lousy no good commie pricks do. You can't blame them any more than the frog should blame the scorpion.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:51 PM (dGCAG)

206 But... in reality, the world would be better off if nobody had tariffs. Period. There's really no logical argument otherwise.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:31 PM (dGCAG)

I don't really get this argument.

If nobody had tariffs or other barriers to entry, the entire world's manufacturing would be done by whichever countries could oppress their people in to working for the least amount of money. Same with food production, etc.

Sure, there would be some niche things (french wine, American motorcycles, that sort of thing), but otherwise the rest of us would be shit out of luck.

Then once the wealth all concentrates in China, they call the shots for the rest of the world.

Kind of seems like suicide.

Which is why every country in the world uses tariffs and trade barriers to protect their domestic markets.

They like having food and not worrying about China cutting them off.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 12:51 PM (uCjyK)

207 Nope. It was 7-2. Sotomayor and Jackson.

Not even Kagan sided with them.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 08, 2025 12:50 PM (GBKbO)

Oh the recap I was just reading said without noted dissent. Maybe that just means that didn't write an actual dissent.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 08, 2025 12:51 PM (MGB5H)

208 And "You're a moron" ( or words to that effect but not used in the ASHQ mostly friendly fashion) is such stimulating stuff) it makes me want to go and get an X account right away so I can see Musk and Navarro insult each other ( sarc) .

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 08, 2025 12:52 PM (+qm33)

209 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 08, 2025 12:49 PM (y9nCu)

Agreed. Remington .22 ammo is pure crap.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 08, 2025 12:52 PM (pohLc)

210 SCOTUS smacks down another district court judge rules that yes the head of the exec branch can fire people.

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Imagine thinking that the position literally labelled "executive" is unable to remove staff to replace them with more competent individuals.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 12:52 PM (zJgD/)

211 Going OT. For people in northern tier states, winter is ending, and construction season is starting.

I'm seeing a lot of local notices of road closures for construction (mostly repairs), while still expecting one or two more snowfall this month.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 08, 2025 12:52 PM (VNX3d)

212
Like I said, we'll know we're at the end of the ginned up Tariff fearmongering hoax when they tell us: 1) Jesus would be against US tariffs, and 2) US tariffs cause global warming.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 12:52 PM (Ks1zr)

213 Nope. It was 7-2. Sotomayor and Jackson.
______

Guaranteed that if it was a Dem admin looking to fire people it would have been 9-0. Sotomayor and Jackson are a disgrace.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 08, 2025 12:52 PM (vBTQs)

214 This isn't about cotton,
It's about being Kangs!
______________

You'd think the dumb asses would realize that if everybody is a "Kang," then nobody is a "Kang."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 08, 2025 12:52 PM (YqDXo)

215 >>My portfolio lost 5.5% in value since last Wednesday. Even if someone came in and waved a magic wand to put everthing back, it would take a few months to recover that loss. Best case scenario.

If you cashed it out the day before, how much would you have lost to Taxation and/or Penalties?

Posted by: garrett at April 08, 2025 12:52 PM (F30Ty)

216 Here's Kevin OLeary trying to explain tariffs, trade, and china to a stupid lying bitch on Yahoo fake news

https://is.gd/GTAgpJ
Posted by: Soothsayer

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That was good

Posted by: bearski at April 08, 2025 12:53 PM (Bhsk7)

217 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 12:51 PM (uCjyK)

Came to say this but in much more retarded manner.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at April 08, 2025 12:53 PM (7uWBW)

218 Mexico, which is a failed narco state is suddenly going to become a major hub of advanced electronics manufacturing?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 08, 2025 12:48 PM (l3YAf)

It already is. Exported $110B of electronics, $86B of it to the US in 2023.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 12:53 PM (Y5yQx)

219 207
Oh the recap I was just reading said without noted dissent. Maybe that just means that didn't write an actual dissent.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 08, 2025 12:51 PM (MGB5H)

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SCOTUSblog says it's "apparent" 7-2.

"Justice Sonia Sotomayor indicated that she would have denied the Trump administration’s request to pause Alsup’s order.

Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson also would have turned down the Trump administration’s plea, because she would not have reached the question of the nonprofits’ standing to sue at this stage of the case."

This is one of those instances where you know Kagan is off to the side going, "These dumb bitches..."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 08, 2025 12:53 PM (GBKbO)

220 210 Imagine thinking that the position literally labelled "executive" is unable to remove staff to replace them with more competent individuals.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 12:52 PM (zJgD/)

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Much more funny.

Probationary employees, too.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 08, 2025 12:53 PM (GBKbO)

221 Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 08, 2025 12:52 PM (vBTQs)

So is Barrett and Kavanaugh

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at April 08, 2025 12:53 PM (7uWBW)

222
Because Democrats Always say that about their Current Thing:
1) Jesus would be for/against ______.
2) _______ causes/alleviates global warming.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 12:54 PM (Ks1zr)

223 Upon complete civilization collapse, which will be more valuable? A pound of gold, or a box of .22 ammo?
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 08, 2025 12:25 PM (pohLc)

Or 5 lbs of flour.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 08, 2025 12:54 PM (FCbAQ)

224 SCOTUSblog says it's "apparent" 7-2.

"Justice Sonia Sotomayor indicated that she would have denied the Trump administration’s request to pause Alsup’s order.

Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson also would have turned down the Trump administration’s plea, because she would not have reached the question of the nonprofits’ standing to sue at this stage of the case."

This is one of those instances where you know Kagan is off to the side going, "These dumb bitches..."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 08, 2025 12:53 PM (GBKbO)

Ahh yes. Ok. Makes sense. They would have dissented.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 08, 2025 12:54 PM (MGB5H)

225 There are companies that still fab in the US, Intel, TI and a handful of others, but there is simply no spare capacity to be had.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 08, 2025 12:45 PM (XV/Pl)

Intel has had trouble making chips recently, I wonder if they might instead branch out to making the tools to make the chips instead

Posted by: Kindltot - eight furry chickens in white wine at April 08, 2025 12:55 PM (D7oie)

226 Stock buying opportunity.

Posted by: JM in Illinois at April 08, 2025 12:55 PM (0iJDD)

227 213 Guaranteed that if it was a Dem admin looking to fire people it would have been 9-0. Sotomayor and Jackson are a disgrace.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 08, 2025 12:52 PM (vBTQs)

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The Spicer lawsuit never got to SCOTUS, but yeah, they definitely would have.

Roberts would have given the dissent to Sotomayor who would have written a fire opinion about executive power and feelings.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 08, 2025 12:55 PM (GBKbO)

228 Cook claimed that labor cost is NOT the reason to build iphones in CRP. It is ...tooling engineering. Apparently this precious skill is no longer available in the US!

It's worth noting that Cook's entire professional expertise was dealing with China. He's the one who made all the deals to get Foxconn to build stuff there to the quality spec they wanted, and many other companies followed his lead, including Japanese companies like Sony and Nintendo.

The cost savings from that move is a significant chunk of what saved Apple from bankruptcy in 1997/1998 until the iMac was ready, and that's pretty much why he was made CEO.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 08, 2025 12:55 PM (2ocoG)

229 Squirrel problems? May I suggest a 90mm mortar or, in a pinch, 40mm twin bofors.

Posted by: Archer at April 08, 2025 12:56 PM (IDphi)

230 ACB is Trump’s worst pick ever. She’s a reliable vote for the liberals. She’s also voting in conference with the liberals and Roberts to keep Second Amendment cases away from SCOTUS.

Posted by: Vengeance at April 08, 2025 12:56 PM (epmXU)

231 Looks like the Supremes slapped down another Judge... on firing Temp workers.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 08, 2025 12:56 PM (QAkQ3)

232 Afternoon ace. Someone said at the outset of the tariffs that no one has an idea where this ends up. Rattle the cages and see what looks good.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 08, 2025 12:45 PM (6TePA)

I've tried saying that before, but then when you say "but you know, tariffs aren't really good economic policy," people freak out.

Sorry, they're just not. But we're only talking about the intellectual argument, because we're NEVER going to get a pure execution of economic policy. Ever. People get their fingers in the pie, and nobody knows who ends up getting the empty tin, and who engorges themselves until we do.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:57 PM (dGCAG)

233 >>Squirrel problems? May I suggest a 90mm mortar or, in a pinch, 40mm twin bofors.

Squirrely predominantly deploy Infantry Tactics.

Claymores are your best bet.

Posted by: garrett at April 08, 2025 12:57 PM (F30Ty)

234 Rally losing some steam.
Dow up only 1.4%
Russell 2k in the red.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 12:57 PM (Y5yQx)

235 This isn't about cotton,
It's about being Kangs!
______________

You'd think the dumb asses would realize that if everybody is a "Kang," then nobody is a "Kang."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

-

We visited friends recently and drove past a daycare on the way through the nearest town. The name?

Little Kings and Queens

I really, truly appreciate that type of truth in labeling of products. I suspect it is exactly what one would assume.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 12:57 PM (zJgD/)

236 The biggest problem with China is that Young Chang doesn't have a wife, because Young Chang's mother and all her friends murdered the sisters of all the Young Changs in the womb.

That means not just no poosay for Young Chang (a volatile issue with young men anywhere) but also no grandkids for Young Chang's mom. That is a Big Deal in Chinese culture.

Young Chang's mom probably doesn't want round-eye grandkids (though she might settle for them if that's all she can get), so this is probably a more severe problem for Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia... anywhere that Young Chang might be capable of snagging a sperm receptacle (willing or otherwise) who is capable of producing plausibly Chinese-looking grandkids.

Posted by: The Reavers at April 08, 2025 12:58 PM (W5ArC)

237 Tim Cook is asshoe

jes sayin

Posted by: Black Orchid at April 08, 2025 12:58 PM (Pv3Rg)

238
We shouldn't trade with China at all, because any business interaction with the Chicoms corrupts us.

There are several other countries that applies to, but they're the worst at the moment.
Posted by: Methos at April 08, 2025 12:48 PM (Dnobf)

Then there's the more practical side. The Chicoms are unrepentent thieves, who will steal your IP or openly counterfeit your products (often by running an extra shift in your own factory using your own parts and chips that you purchased and shipped in) and sneer "what you gonna do about it, filthy gweilo?"

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 08, 2025 12:58 PM (y9nCu)

239 Tooling cost over there are a fraction of here. I suspect that has to do with so few tool and die people here now. Every one I have met is over 50.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 08, 2025 12:47 PM (zct9C)

Cellphone manufacture could be done almost entirely by robots. The future for labor in that industry will be for robot designers and robot repairers, and for setting up robot lines to make a new model product.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 08, 2025 12:58 PM (8zz6B)

240 "When's the last time anyone has seen an American field full of anybody picking cotton with a bag slung over their shoulder?
Posted by: Lady in Black"

Handpicked artisanal cotton?

Posted by: Wild eyed guy in a bowler at April 08, 2025 12:58 PM (vFG9F)

241 Someone wanted to know how many gunts I have on me?

[opens robe]

Posted by: Lena Dunham at April 08, 2025 12:58 PM (7Q0e+)

242 >>Sorry, they're just not. But we're only talking about the intellectual argument, because we're NEVER going to get a pure execution of economic policy. Ever. People get their fingers in the pie, and nobody knows who ends up getting the empty tin, and who engorges themselves until we do.

Tariffs are certainly a more egalitarian approach than our current progressive tax structure.

Posted by: garrett at April 08, 2025 12:58 PM (F30Ty)

243 It's worth noting that Cook's entire professional expertise was dealing with China. He's the one who made all the deals to get Foxconn to build stuff there to the quality spec they wanted, and many other companies followed his lead, including Japanese companies like Sony and Nintendo.

The cost savings from that move is a significant chunk of what saved Apple from bankruptcy in 1997/1998 until the iMac was ready, and that's pretty much why he was made CEO.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 08, 2025 12:55 PM (2ocoG)

He was the "off shore tech to China guy" before it was cool. He has got every incentive to lie to us, his entire professional reputation rests on it.

Steve Jobs wanted to manufacture everything in the US. And during his first reign at Apple, they did do a lot (all?) of their manufacturing here, but it slowly started being offshored.

Tim Cook and his people are in no small part responsible for our tech being all manufactured overseas. Which could have been a massive US export with high paying jobs if done in the US.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 12:59 PM (uCjyK)

244 > Sorry, they're just not.

And yet, weirdly, all of these other countries have tariffs on US goods.

Why do you suppose that's so universal, if it's so obviously a bad idea?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 08, 2025 12:59 PM (W5ArC)

245 We visited friends recently and drove past a daycare on the way through the nearest town. The name?

Little Kings and Queens
______

Little Kings was a garbage beer, but we could afford it working low pay jobs after high school

Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 08, 2025 12:59 PM (vBTQs)

246 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 08, 2025 12:50 PM (L/fGl

I'm sure that will make all the people who appreciate the "Narnia" Chronicles and particularly those who are Christian just hurry right out to see the movie. Not that you have to a Christian to appreciate Narnia, but a person is rather poorly educated if they didn't know that C.S. Is probably the premier Christian apologist of the 20th century and that Aslan is a metaphor for Christ.

So who's going to see a movie which makes Aslan female or at least gives "her" a female voice? People who are big on fake transgenderism and/or who anti Christianity?!!

Go write you own darn stories, Hollyweird. And stop trying to wokeify classics.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 08, 2025 01:00 PM (+qm33)

247 161 I can't wait until even more fed employees get fired.

VA politics could change materially very quickly.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 08, 2025 12:43 PM (GBKbO)

It will go from an R mini-slaughter to an R absolute bloodbath.

Imagine the biggest factory shutting down in a state b/c a governor kicked a business out. Now imagine all the elective state spending and ta cuts that can't happen b/c taxes are not coming in from wages and all the spending that has to happen to support the unemployed.

VA will not change for a generation after this. That's good for the country. But maybe not as good for south and west VA.

Posted by: Nova Local at April 08, 2025 01:00 PM (tOcjL)

248 U.S. STOCKS SURGE AS DAY TRADERS GO WACKADOODLE

Posted by: wth at April 08, 2025 01:00 PM (HgMAr)

249 SnP now up 0.65%
Nazzie now up 0.39%

Posted by: illiniwek at April 08, 2025 01:01 PM (Cus5s)

250 Tooling cost over there are a fraction of here. I suspect that has to do with so few tool and die people here now. Every one I have met is over 50.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 08, 2025 12:47 PM (zct9C)

um, different tooling....
"A tooling engineer uses computer-aided (CAD) manufacturing to create and adjust tools or parts for vehicles, airplanes, heavy equipment, or any product that needs customized components. As a tooling engineer, your duties include drafting blueprints for designs crafting the necessary pieces. You also improve previous designs. You should have experience with metalworking and mechanics. Computer skills are just also important because tooling engineers build and troubleshoot designs with CAD software."

Engineers who know how to use CAD. BFD. We have those.

Posted by: runner at April 08, 2025 01:01 PM (g47mK)

251 ta = tax (dang typo)

Posted by: Nova Local at April 08, 2025 01:01 PM (tOcjL)

252 Hmmm... interesting thought... the Left is complaining that Trump's tariffs are killing the stock market.

Well, 89% of Stocks, are owned by 10% richest people.

So, why does the Left think it is OK for Public Policy to cater to the rich?

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 08, 2025 01:01 PM (QAkQ3)

253 Reporting says the scotus decision is to not allow a temporary ban on the firings. But to allow it while lawsuits continue.

So they will be fired but then could potentially have to be rehired if lawsuits are won by the left.

Sheesh.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 01:01 PM (Y5yQx)

254 Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:31 PM (dGCAG)

I don't really get this argument.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 12:51 PM (uCjyK)

Because it's not really an argument.

All I'm really trying to say is, don't delude yourselves into thinking America putting tariffs on everyone else is an unmitigated good.

We'd all be better off if nobody did tariffs, but as as been pointed out by others, we don't live in that world.

So Trump's decided on a trade war. Fine. We'll see how it plays out.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 01:01 PM (dGCAG)

255 Intel has had trouble making chips recently, I wonder if they might instead branch out to making the tools to make the chips instead

I don't think that would work. If they can't make the chips with the same ASML-made tooling that TSMC uses, it's unlikely they could make their own tools.

Their new CEO seems determined to fix the fabrication issues and I think it's possible, but the time frame is likely to be longer than the financial markets are going to want. Still, if they can come back with really good parts they can win. AMD was selling basically hot garbage from 2006 to 2017 but they turned that around with Ryzen and Epyc in about 5 years.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 08, 2025 01:01 PM (2ocoG)

256 246- C.S "Lewis"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 08, 2025 01:01 PM (+qm33)

257 246- C.S "Lewis"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 08, 2025 01:01 PM (+qm33)

258 Richard Baldwin @BaldwinRE Apr 7 [edited]
Tariffs protect goods-producing sectors, but few Americans work in those sectors (~8% in manuf & ~2% in farming); most have service jobs. [andy: 13 million versus 146 million chart incl. skilled blue collar like plumbers in services]

Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 08, 2025 01:01 PM (/tzYP)

259 The "rally" celebrations were premature.

Posted by: Sjg at April 08, 2025 01:01 PM (aqZN1)

260 247 It will go from an R mini-slaughter to an R absolute bloodbath.

Imagine the biggest factory shutting down in a state b/c a governor kicked a business out. Now imagine all the elective state spending and ta cuts that can't happen b/c taxes are not coming in from wages and all the spending that has to happen to support the unemployed.

VA will not change for a generation after this. That's good for the country. But maybe not as good for south and west VA.
Posted by: Nova Local at April 08, 2025 01:00 PM (tOcjL)

=======

If 100,000 Democrat voters move out of state, it changes things.

Shutting down this factory of 95% Democrat voters and scattering out into the wind will not benefit Democrats.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 08, 2025 01:02 PM (GBKbO)

261 >> I don't think that's entirely accurate, but a huge wrinkle in this entire tariff situation (and trade situation, and hollowing out of the middle class, and inflation, and the ability to deficit spend so much etc. etc.) is that we are the world's reserve currency.

That’s the crux of it. You don’t run major trade deficits with every country on Earth for three decades without a strong demand for your #1 product (Dollars). Absent that, trade balances out over the long run. Maybe one year you import a bit more than you export, but it turns around the next year.

Or maybe you consistently import more from China than you export to them, but it’s balanced by a trade surplus with South Korea. So there’s no gutting of industry, per se.

In fact, we kind of have balanced trade, it’s just that our biggest export are debt instruments. How do you reverse that?

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 08, 2025 01:02 PM (l3YAf)

262 cook is saying that we have no draftsmen. Us, in the United States. Have no draftsmen. But China does ? okay.

Posted by: runner at April 08, 2025 01:02 PM (g47mK)

263 I've tried saying that before, but then when you say "but you know, tariffs aren't really good economic policy," people freak out.

Sorry, they're just not. But we're only talking about the intellectual argument, because we're NEVER going to get a pure execution of economic policy. Ever. People get their fingers in the pie, and nobody knows who ends up getting the empty tin, and who engorges themselves until we do.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 12:57 PM (dGCAG)

I guess it depends on what you mean by "economic policy".

Yes, it is in Apples best financial interest to make the iPhone as cheaply as possible, even if that means having indentured servants in China make them, and having to surround the buildings with suicide nets.

That causes Apple's stock to go up, since their profit margins on phones are so high.

Is that in the best interest of the US, and more specifically, the US middle class? Especially played out across all industries in the US?

No. It's not.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 01:02 PM (uCjyK)

264 The "rally" celebrations were premature.
Posted by: Sjg

-

No, this is fairly predictable. People are making money selling now.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:02 PM (zJgD/)

265
Yesterday, did fake "experts" on playing competitive Pool pop up on the twitters?

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 01:02 PM (Ks1zr)

266 Sorry for the duplicate post.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 08, 2025 01:03 PM (+qm33)

267 Next week, all these fake tariff "experts" are going to become fake tax cut "experts."

Posted by: Soothsayer

Next they'll be climate crisis experts.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 08, 2025 01:03 PM (L/fGl)

268 Hmmm... interesting thought... the Left is complaining that Trump's tariffs are killing the stock market.

Not just them. Libertarians, who hold "all taxes should be consumption taxes" as a high ideal, are all screaming about the tariffs even though they are in fact consumption taxes.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 08, 2025 01:03 PM (2ocoG)

269 Go write you own darn stories, Hollyweird. And stop trying to wokeify classics.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Their only goal is to denigrate classics. They don't care if it bankrupts them.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 08, 2025 01:03 PM (zct9C)

270 They have to destroy everything, Fen. That is the point.

Narnia is even more explicitly Christian than say LotR, so it HAD to be captured. I am actually surprised they waited so long.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 08, 2025 01:03 PM (bss/y)

271 And yet, weirdly, all of these other countries have tariffs on US goods.

Why do you suppose that's so universal, if it's so obviously a bad idea?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 08, 2025 12:59 PM (W5ArC)

Because America's elites and oligarchs have allowed them to get away with it for decades.

And the oligarchs in those countries really don't care about their citizens any more than ours do.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 01:03 PM (dGCAG)

272 258 Richard Baldwin @BaldwinRE Apr 7 [edited]
Tariffs protect goods-producing sectors, but few Americans work in those sectors (~8% in manuf & ~2% in farming); most have service jobs. [andy: 13 million versus 146 million chart incl. skilled blue collar like plumbers in services]
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 08, 2025 01:01 PM (/tzYP)

Isn’t that the problem? We’ve lost a lot of manufacturing, which is why the tariffs are targeting that.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 08, 2025 01:04 PM (l3YAf)

273 Guys like Cook also like to say there aren't enough engineers. That is, not enough engineers who will work for ass clingons.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 08, 2025 01:04 PM (pohLc)

274 >> Libertarians, who hold "all taxes should be consumption taxes" as a high idea

All taxation is theft.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 08, 2025 01:05 PM (l3YAf)

275 The Chronicles of Narnia, starring Alex Baldwin, Jack Black, and Lena Dunham

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:05 PM (zJgD/)

276 Adulting is hard, huh kids?

Posted by: Archer at April 08, 2025 01:05 PM (IDphi)

277 I believe it was the great Walter Winchell who once said, "It's time to cut some tits and balls," and this is why we have so many trannies running around Hollywood and DC.

It's also why today's market is volatile because when it's time to rally, the orange manbaby will have his way.

Posted by: Rev Wishbone at April 08, 2025 01:05 PM (fY84s)

278 Libertarians, who hold "all taxes should be consumption taxes" as a high ideal, are all screaming about the tariffs even though they are in fact consumption taxes.
Posted by: Ian S.

All they ever wanted was to legally get high.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 08, 2025 01:05 PM (k3Vs9)

279 Some good news:

Jack Poso 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec
BREAKING: Per report, Navy Vice Admiral Shoshana Chatfield refused to put up POTUS & SECDEF pictures in NATO HQ. Also held an “all hands” where she said “we will wait them out 4 years”

She has been relieved of duty

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 08, 2025 01:05 PM (wtvvX)

280 In fact, we kind of have balanced trade, it’s just that our biggest export are debt instruments. How do you reverse that?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 08, 2025 01:02 PM (l3YAf)

Absent using something else as a world reserve currency, I don't think you can ever totally fix that.

But, we don't need the double whammy of also getting fucked on trade deals on top of the sometimes burden of being the world reserve currency.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 01:05 PM (uCjyK)

281 cook is saying that we have no draftsmen. Us, in the United States. Have no draftsmen. But China does ? okay.
Posted by: runner at April 08, 2025 01:02 PM (g47mK)

As I said at comment 228, Tim Apple's entire professional background is that he was among the first Americans to crack the nut of getting China to make stuff at a reasonable quality. In a lot of ways, he's responsible for the entire world offshoring to China, because everyone copied his methods after that.

That also means he's pretty myopic on the subject though.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 08, 2025 01:05 PM (2ocoG)

282 I talked with people who bemoaned the fact the some Federal employees they know have been let go. No point arguing, but we're $36 TRILLION in debt. Lose some jobs or lose your country?

Posted by: JM in Illinois at April 08, 2025 01:05 PM (R1v/J)

283 260 247 It will go from an R mini-slaughter to an R absolute bloodbath.

Imagine the biggest factory shutting down in a state b/c a governor kicked a business out. Now imagine all the elective state spending and ta cuts that can't happen b/c taxes are not coming in from wages and all the spending that has to happen to support the unemployed.

VA will not change for a generation after this. That's good for the country. But maybe not as good for south and west VA.
Posted by: Nova Local at April 08, 2025 01:00 PM (tOcjL)

=======

If 100,000 Democrat voters move out of state, it changes things.

Shutting down this factory of 95% Democrat voters and scattering out into the wind will not benefit Democrats.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 08, 2025 01:02 PM (GBKbO)

But as we found in manufacturing towns, people don't move when places shut down...they stay in the rot. So, no, VA will be almost as D as MD after this election. Possibly more if more feds are fired.

AG is the only office VA has a shot at holding (b/c it's an incumbent)...and the House will be pure blue...

Posted by: Nova Local at April 08, 2025 01:05 PM (tOcjL)

284 When's the last time anyone has seen an American field full of anybody picking cotton with a bag slung over their shoulder?
Posted by: Lady in Black"

That’s because the pay is what $5 an hour? $10 maybe. No you won’t get Americans applying for that job. $20? Maybe. $30 probably.

There is never such a thing as labor shortage. There is only a shortage of people willing to do a job at a certain price. Pay someone $1M an hour and there will be a line 10 miles long to do any job “Americans won’t do”. Obviously an extreme example. But you get the point.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 01:05 PM (Y5yQx)

285 Tariffs protect goods-producing sectors, but few Americans work in those sectors (~8% in manuf & ~2% in farming); most have service jobs. [andy: 13 million versus 146 million chart incl. skilled blue collar like plumbers in services]

well that needs to change, because "service jobs" are mostly fakery

Tim Cook has been behind literally zero progress or innovation at Apple. He is worse than useless. He's nasty.

the US does in fact have the talent and the skill. it would be nice to have good jobs for OUR draftsmen, hmm?

Posted by: Black Orchid at April 08, 2025 01:06 PM (Pv3Rg)

286 Is that in the best interest of the US, and more specifically, the US middle class? Especially played out across all industries in the US?

No. It's not.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 01:02 PM (uCjyK)

Correct, Chi Nah manufactures everything, and we buy it. That's not good.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 01:06 PM (dGCAG)

287 My favorite Blitzer time was when he was on Celebrity Jeopardy. He was so bad, they had to front him money (First time in Jeopardy history) to keep him in the game because it was for charity. An actual wolf would have done better.
Posted by: Cheri at April 08, 2025 12:42 PM (oiNtH)

--They did that for Jalen Rose, a leftards, as well. And he also blew Final Jeopardy!
Posted by: logprof at April 08, 2025 12:47 PM (6n0Ih)

this letter of the alphabet is between "F" and "H"...

Posted by: Sturmtoddler at April 08, 2025 01:06 PM (nXhwP)

288
lol @ libertarians

I hate these cocksuckers most of all.

Was there a quieter or more compliant political identity during the china virus bullshit than the fake libertarians? No.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 01:06 PM (Ks1zr)

289 Good link at Insty on the Admiral Lady:

https://tinyurl.com/c785n2pw

'We'll wait them out!'

Wtf did you think was going to happen you 'tard?

Also, someone else will have to do the waiting, sweetcheeks.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 08, 2025 01:06 PM (bss/y)

290 Deep State has seemingly taken over Virginia

Posted by: Skip at April 08, 2025 01:06 PM (ypFCm)

291 > 269 Go write you own darn stories, Hollyweird.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Well, that's the fundamental problem here.

They can't. They have zero creativity. All they can do is take stories written by people in the past who did have it, and crap them up by making Spiderman a transgendered lesbian of color. That's what passes for "creativity", even the 400th time they do it.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 08, 2025 01:06 PM (W5ArC)

292 Navy Vice Admiral Shoshana Chatfield

-

Boy, I bet she got there based on merit and ability.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:06 PM (zJgD/)

293 283 But as we found in manufacturing towns, people don't move when places shut down...they stay in the rot. So, no, VA will be almost as D as MD after this election. Possibly more if more feds are fired.

AG is the only office VA has a shot at holding (b/c it's an incumbent)...and the House will be pure blue...
Posted by: Nova Local at April 08, 2025 01:05 PM (tOcjL)

======

Well, since your ability to predict elections is shit ("Trump can't win without Youngkin"), I'm gonna say that your prediction is very likely to not be true.

People can't stay in DC without a job. They'll move out of state.

And DC is already heavily anti-Trump. There's no way to make it more anti-Trump.

It's just a net movement out of Democrats of the state.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 08, 2025 01:06 PM (GBKbO)

294 Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 01:05 PM (Y5yQx)

Correct

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at April 08, 2025 01:07 PM (7uWBW)

295 Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 08, 2025 01:03 PM (bss/y)

I'll stick with the British version of at least the first book from a number of years ago which was excellent.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 08, 2025 01:07 PM (+qm33)

296 279 Some good news:

Jack Poso 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec
BREAKING: Per report, Navy Vice Admiral Shoshana Chatfield refused to put up POTUS & SECDEF pictures in NATO HQ. Also held an “all hands” where she said “we will wait them out 4 years”

She has been relieved of duty
Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 08, 2025 01:05 PM (wtvvX)

--

Down to 24.99% of military who oppose Trump

Posted by: JM in Illinois at April 08, 2025 01:07 PM (R1v/J)

297 > Greta Gerwig’s “Narnia” Remake Rejects Christian Allegory to Embrace Gender Politics

I'm going to not watch that so hard.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 08, 2025 01:07 PM (lIio7)

298 ta = tax (dang typo)
Posted by: Nova Local
....

also ta = one bewb

Posted by: wth at April 08, 2025 01:08 PM (HgMAr)

299 273 Guys like Cook also like to say there aren't enough engineers. That is, not enough engineers who will work for ass clingons.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at April 08, 2025 01:04 PM (pohLc)

Right. He's lying through his teeth. There are more than enough smart, qualified people in the US who would love to make $150,000 a year working at Apple.

Unfortunately for them, Cook would rather hire people from India for $120,000 a year, even if they do shittier work and are difficult to deal with.

Because over thousands of employees, that adds up to real savings. And fuck the uppity American kids, they can go work at Starbucks.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 01:08 PM (uCjyK)

300 NoVa is a malignant cyst on a formerly wonderful state

I could give a crap if everyone in NoVa goes broke

Posted by: Black Orchid at April 08, 2025 01:08 PM (Pv3Rg)

301 I believe that we are in a bear market. How long it lasts nobody knows . I hope I'm wrong. I readily admit I'm never the smartest person in the room ,even when I'm by myself.

Posted by: Lars at April 08, 2025 01:08 PM (kJH1Z)

302 the US does in fact have the talent and the skill. it would be nice to have good jobs for OUR draftsmen, hmm?
Posted by: Black Orchid

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Yep. Bring back factories where young people can work for solid wages and we can stop convincing young women to get useless biology degrees and go $60K in debt in student loans before taking that post-college cashier job at the Walmart.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:08 PM (zJgD/)

303 > Greta Gerwig’s “Narnia” Remake Rejects Christian Allegory to Embrace Gender Politics

CS Lewis' progeny are a bigger disappointment than Hunter Biden.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 08, 2025 01:08 PM (lIio7)

304 I hate this idea that govt employment is guaranteed steed for life. Nah bruh. Just like in the private sector sometimes you’re no longer needed. Just cuz you were hired in 2011 doesn't mean what you do is needed in 2025 or that your skills are relevant.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 01:09 PM (Y5yQx)

305 Well, since your ability to predict elections is shit ("Trump can't win without Youngkin"), I'm gonna say that your prediction is very likely to not be true.

People can't stay in DC without a job. They'll move out of state.

And DC is already heavily anti-Trump. There's no way to make it more anti-Trump.

It's just a net movement out of Democrats of the state.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 08, 2025 01:06 PM (GBKbO)

No, I said Trump will never win VA. And he did not. I said he had to pray for PA...and he got it. I think I was dead on.

Posted by: Nova Local at April 08, 2025 01:09 PM (tOcjL)

306
Wait, so gerta gerwing is a one-trick pony?

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 01:09 PM (Ks1zr)

307 Well, 89% of Stocks, are owned by 10% richest people.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 08, 2025 01:01 PM (QAkQ3)
=========================
Is that provable somehow? I ask because I'd have expected that most of the market is owned by institutions, like money managers, insurance companies, pension funds etc.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 08, 2025 01:09 PM (BrEk+)

308 So Trump's decided on a trade war. Fine. We'll see how it plays out.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 01:01 PM (dGCAG)

Well…. It’s not like he just abruptly made the decision in the last month. He’s been talking about these policies since at least 1988 on Oprah and he mentioned tariffs every day on the campaign trail last year going so far as to say that “tariff” was the most beautiful word. This should surprise precisely no one

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 08, 2025 01:09 PM (nrfI8)

309 the Narnia films were awesome screw the Netflix garbage one

Posted by: Black Orchid at April 08, 2025 01:09 PM (Pv3Rg)

310 never shoot someone with something that's only going to piss them off...
Posted by: Sturmtoddler at April 08, 2025 12:37 PM (nXhwP)

That's the most laughable anti-.22 statement out there, and it's used a lot.
Not only is it lethal on human sized objects, but in an environment where medical care is absent, any hole in you that wasn't planned is a very big deal.
All that being said, it probably beats being shot with a 30.06

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 08, 2025 01:09 PM (FCbAQ)

311 How they are used is the issue just like with any other tool.
Posted by: JackStraw [//i]

While you're explaining things can you tell me why out of all the XM channels I don't pay for I'm suddenly getting free Grateful Dead channel?

Posted by: DaveA at April 08, 2025 01:09 PM (PMJuY)

312 274 >> Libertarians, who hold "all taxes should be consumption taxes" as a high idea
--------
All taxation is theft.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 08, 2025 01:05 PM (l3YAf)

In a better world, people would pay for what they want, and not be forced to pay anything they don't.

It would be nice if government wasn't such a blunt instrument, but alas...

So... in theory at least, if you know you are paying for government, when you buy something that has a tax on it, you are kinda sorta voluntarily paying, and not being coerced.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 01:09 PM (dGCAG)

313
Karoline up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWppUGRRHl4

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 08, 2025 01:09 PM (asZHj)

314 Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 01:06 PM (Ks1zr)

“Businesses can do whatever they want! Don’t want the vax? Fine but they can keep you out or bar you from employment. It’s the true libertarian position you see.”

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at April 08, 2025 01:09 PM (7uWBW)

315 Unfortunately for them, Cook would rather hire people from India for $120,000 a year, even if they do shittier work and are difficult to deal with.

Because over thousands of employees, that adds up to real savings...

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Don't forget the most useful part:

You'd better work 80+ hours a week without complaint or we'll deport your ass.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:10 PM (zJgD/)

316 305 No, I said Trump will never win VA. And he did not. I said he had to pray for PA...and he got it. I think I was dead on.
Posted by: Nova Local at April 08, 2025 01:09 PM (tOcjL)

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Oh, no you didn't.

You said everything was lost because he went with Vance.

Your predictions are hilariously bad. You said he couldn't win AZ. He couldn't win PA. He had to win VA and GA, and it was the only way to win, and Youngkin was the only way to make that happen.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 08, 2025 01:10 PM (GBKbO)

317 refusing to LEVVY ANY TARRIFS when every1 else does is basically UNILATERAL DISARMAMENT

Posted by: lancewing plover at April 08, 2025 01:10 PM (1Idb6)

318 so, the Ryan Routh indictment came out, Under seal and containing sensitive information, but the The DOJ is asserting that Routh tried to buy Stingers from the Ukrainians for the assassination.

Posted by: Kindltot - eight furry chickens in white wine at April 08, 2025 01:10 PM (D7oie)

319 Was there a quieter or more compliant political identity during the china virus bullshit than the fake libertarians? No.

Well, there are libertarians and Libertarians. The ones you can't trust are the ones officially part of the party, the leaders and people making speeches. The worst of those are the one-cause Libertarians: they don't believe in freedom philosophically, they just want their one cause to be free (guns, hookers, drugs, whatever).

The regular guys who just like libertarian ideas, usually you can trust them okay. But someone like Rand Paul really ought to know better.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 08, 2025 01:10 PM (OlZEO)

320 I guess it would be sort of grimly amusing to speculate about how badly they could botch Narnia aside from having Aslan be female. Villains wearing Maga hats?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 08, 2025 01:11 PM (+qm33)

321 never shoot someone with something that's only going to piss them off...
Posted by: Sturmtoddler

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IF I EVER FIND OUT YOU SHOT ME WITH THAT GUN YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN A LOT OF TROUBLE, MISTER!!!

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:11 PM (zJgD/)

322 TJM you are correct

there are some here I will try to keep positive bc I think they're basically nice, if depressive

then there are ... some others.

Posted by: Black Orchid at April 08, 2025 01:11 PM (Pv3Rg)

323 As I said at comment 228, Tim Apple's entire professional background is that he was among the first Americans to crack the nut of getting China to make stuff at a reasonable quality. In

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And there was Deming and Japan before that. Japan made crappy everything until they adopted The Method. Old story.

Posted by: runner at April 08, 2025 01:11 PM (g47mK)

324 cook is saying that we have no draftsmen. Us, in the United States. Have no draftsmen. But China does ? okay.
Posted by: runner
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He's never heard of AutoCAD?

Posted by: wth at April 08, 2025 01:11 PM (HgMAr)

325 then there are ... some others.
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 08, 2025 01:11 PM (Pv3Rg)

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 08, 2025 01:12 PM (bss/y)

326 No, this is fairly predictable. People are making money selling now.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:02 PM (zJgD/)

So like I said, nothing to celebrate if other people made money and most people's portfolios did not gain value.

Posted by: Sjg at April 08, 2025 01:12 PM (aqZN1)

327 Navy Vice Admiral Shoshana Chatfield

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Boy, I bet she got there based on merit and ability.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:06 PM (zJgD/)

Nothing gives one confidence that you have tough and tested sailors, ready to kill and maim on the high seas like being led by a gal named Shoshana.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 01:12 PM (dGCAG)

328 Trump wants tariffs, yes.
He's looking at the emerging geopolitical situation and realizing that we're chained to a dying system of globalist finance & corporate consensus-driven economics that is killing American self-sufficiency and thus our national security.

The system we have now was set up after WWII to help rebuild the world economy.

That worked, brilliantly, up until the 1970s when the great boom after the war finally ebbed and recessions hit after the Europeans began choking off their economy to pay for their huge and generous welfare states.

It worked just as well in Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong and Taiwan, who started manufacturing small products (toys, etc.) until decades later they were producing everything we made with better quality and more efficiency.

Then they decided to open it up to the rest of the world.
Low tariffs to America to grow your economy.
Just be our "friends and allies" and you'll get the same deal.

Now we're in a beggar-thy-neighbor trade war that's been going on since the 2008 financial crisis caused by the loss of all of those jobs to China.

We can't afford not to do this.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at April 08, 2025 01:12 PM (6ydKt)

329 316 305 No, I said Trump will never win VA. And he did not. I said he had to pray for PA...and he got it. I think I was dead on.
Posted by: Nova Local at April 08, 2025 01:09 PM (tOcjL)

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Oh, no you didn't.

You said everything was lost because he went with Vance.

Your predictions are hilariously bad. You said he couldn't win AZ. He couldn't win PA. He had to win VA and GA, and it was the only way to win, and Youngkin was the only way to make that happen.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 08, 2025 01:10 PM (GBKbO)

No, everyone said fraud would make PA and the midwest block impossible. It turned out that was wrong by the voters in those states.

VA was and is impossible. I mean, I predicted Youngkin's win in 2021. I predict the R bloodbath this year. Folks vote jobs. VA is losing jobs. It's not gonna be a PHD level calculus on how this goes.

Posted by: Nova Local at April 08, 2025 01:12 PM (tOcjL)

330 318 so, the Ryan Routh indictment came out, Under seal and containing sensitive information, but the The DOJ is asserting that Routh tried to buy Stingers from the Ukrainians for the assassination.

we knew this? no?

I remember hearing or seeing something on X about them having a dupe Beast to confuse a potential missile attack? I figured had to be Uke-related

Posted by: Black Orchid at April 08, 2025 01:12 PM (Pv3Rg)

331 There is never such a thing as labor shortage. There is only a shortage of people willing to do a job at a certain price. Pay someone $1M an hour and there will be a line 10 miles long to do any job “Americans won’t do”. Obviously an extreme example. But you get the point.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 01:05 PM (Y5yQx)

100%. And the people who scream about "free markets" and "capitalism" the loudest on our side don't seem to understand how the supply and demand curve works, at least when it comes to labor.

Or they were full of shit the entire time and never had any interest in "free markets."

You want a 1950's style massive expansion of the middle class and upward mobility? Then you want there to be perpetual labor shortages where companies have to compete to hire people, thus driving up wages while also forcing innovation.

You want a short term stock increase? Then lay off all the Americans, outsource what you can to China or India, import people from those countries to work for cheaper and under the threat of losing their visa.

But in the medium to long term, that is how you irrevocably destroy a country's economy.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 01:12 PM (uCjyK)

332 > useless biology degrees

??? There are lots of degrees more useless than biology. For one, a biology degree is the most common precursor to medical school.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 08, 2025 01:12 PM (W5ArC)

333 Posted by: Black Orchid at April 08, 2025 01:09 PM (Pv3Rg)

Did they make all of them? I can't recall.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 08, 2025 01:12 PM (+qm33)

334 Wait, so gerta gerwing is a one-trick pony?

Yeah she has one trick: she hates God.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 08, 2025 01:12 PM (OlZEO)

335
“Businesses can do whatever they want! Don’t want the vax? Fine but they can keep you out or bar you from employment. It’s the true libertarian position you see.”
Posted by: thathalfrican

Yeah, exactly, they are an oblivious contradiction, these totalitarian-libertarians.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 01:12 PM (Ks1zr)

336 While I’d prefer VA to be more red, it’s about number 719 on the list of things that I care about right now. Turn VA the deepest shade of blue if it means hundreds of thousands of fedgov workers are fired. I’ll take that exchange all day every day.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 01:12 PM (Y5yQx)

337 SnP now down 0.13%
Nazzie now down 0.35%

Some people go with the "fill the gap" theory, where when a stock (or index) gaps up, that gap needs to get filled. idk

Posted by: illiniwek at April 08, 2025 01:13 PM (Cus5s)

338 Too many flag officers are political operatives who possess no military abilities. Hegseth is sorting out the chaff. More please.

Posted by: Archer at April 08, 2025 01:13 PM (IDphi)

339 She has been relieved of duty
Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 08, 2025 01:05 PM (wtvvX)

What's wrong with "dishonorable discharge" and cancellation of pension?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 08, 2025 01:13 PM (8zz6B)

340 I thought the left wanted a president who put American jobs over the interests of Wall Street, and didn't want any more wars?

lol

Posted by: brak at April 08, 2025 01:13 PM (jGJov)

341 Isn’t that the problem? We’ve lost a lot of manufacturing, which is why the tariffs are targeting that.
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5 Countries that Manufacturer the Greatest Value of Goods
China: $4,975,614 Mil [i.e. Trillion] = 31.63% worldwide
United States: $2,497,132 Mil = 15.87%
Japan: $1,025,092 Mil = 6.52%
Germany: $751,339 Mil [i.e. Billion] = 4.78%
India: $450,862 Mil = 2.87%
South Korea: $426,772 Mil = 2.72%

Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 08, 2025 01:14 PM (/tzYP)

342 WHo told ROuth to buy Stingers from the Ukes ?

Posted by: runner at April 08, 2025 01:14 PM (g47mK)

343 288
lol @ libertarians

I hate these cocksuckers most of all.

Was there a quieter or more compliant political identity during the china virus bullshit than the fake libertarians? No.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 01:06 PM (Ks1zr)

They've been faker than astroturf since Obama.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 08, 2025 01:14 PM (y+qgR)

344 > speculate about how badly they could botch Narnia aside from having Aslan be female.

Well, that's easy.

Aslan is transgender.

In fact, I'm surprised it isn't that way already.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 08, 2025 01:14 PM (W5ArC)

345 Did they make all of them? I can't recall.

no, sadly they did not. but they made a bunch!

and greta's trick is she is solipsistic and had a minority interesting life. after biographical shit, she has nothing. until she lives more life, I guess.

Posted by: Black Orchid at April 08, 2025 01:14 PM (Pv3Rg)

346 so, the Ryan Routh indictment came out, Under seal and containing sensitive information, but the The DOJ is asserting that Routh tried to buy Stingers from the Ukrainians for the assassination.
Posted by: Kindltot - eight furry chickens in white wine
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Thought the Ukes were buying Stingers from us.
With the money we sent them.

Posted by: wth at April 08, 2025 01:15 PM (HgMAr)

347 Well, there are libertarians and Libertarians. The ones you can't trust are the ones officially part of the party, the leaders and people making speeches. The worst of those are the one-cause Libertarians: they don't believe in freedom philosophically, they just want their one cause to be free (guns, hookers, drugs, whatever).

The regular guys who just like libertarian ideas, usually you can trust them okay. But someone like Rand Paul really ought to know better.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 08, 2025 01:10 PM (OlZEO)

It's unfortunate that the Libertarian Party put up a gay lefty as their Prez candidate, but by and large the leadership of the party has tossed all the stupid lefties who were running the party for decades, including during Covid.

The bulk of the party all but abandoned their presidential candidate last year, and all but endorsed Trump.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 01:15 PM (dGCAG)

348 Going OT. For people in northern tier states, winter is ending, and construction season is starting.

I'm seeing a lot of local notices of road closures for construction (mostly repairs), while still expecting one or two more snowfall this month.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf

There's a rather convoluted intersection near my house that I use all the time. Yesterday they began construction to transform it into a traffic circle thereby inconveniencing me. It's like ever since I was born, there's been a curse on my life.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 08, 2025 01:15 PM (L/fGl)

349 No, this is fairly predictable. People are making money selling now.

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So like I said, nothing to celebrate if other people made money and most people's portfolios did not gain value.
Posted by: Sjg

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+1, except for the part where everyone made money and is ready to make money again.

Pro tip: Stocks frequently go on sale. Buy when they do.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:15 PM (zJgD/)

350 lol MINORLY! auto cucumber you bastage!

Posted by: Black Orchid at April 08, 2025 01:15 PM (Pv3Rg)

351
My favorite Blitzer time was when he was on Celebrity Jeopardy. He was so bad, they had to front him money (First time in Jeopardy history) to keep him in the game because it was for charity. An actual wolf would have done better.
Posted by: Cheri

Even a dire wolf.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 08, 2025 01:15 PM (63Dwl)

352 336 While I’d prefer VA to be more red, it’s about number 719 on the list of things that I care about right now. Turn VA the deepest shade of blue if it means hundreds of thousands of fedgov workers are fired. I’ll take that exchange all day every day.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 01:12 PM (Y5yQx)

That's how I knowingly voted. No sense saving District 1 if the whole damn thing collapses. Nation has to come before state, or it all doesn't matter.

Anyone could have seen what 2024 would lead to in 2025, knowing what Trump was planning. I was, and am, okay with that. But I do call things like I see them. More fed losses, more and more blue VA goes for a generation. See them again in a decade for a chance to start the red comeback...

Posted by: Nova Local at April 08, 2025 01:15 PM (tOcjL)

353 > That's the most laughable anti-.22 statement out there, and it's used a lot.
Not only is it lethal on human sized objects, but in an environment where medical care is absent, any hole in you that wasn't planned is a very big deal.
All that being said, it probably beats being shot with a 30.06

It's not just about lethality. In a self defense situation, you want to stop the threat quickly with less than perfect shot placement. Of course you want to do all you can to get perfect shot placement, but real self defense situations are completely different than calmly plinking at a static target in a relatively stress free environment.

We have decades of data showing that 9mm and up are pretty good at this. .380 is marginal. .22 is just not good unless you get a CNS hit or you have time for them to bleed out.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 08, 2025 01:15 PM (lIio7)

354 Absent using something else as a world reserve currency, I don't think you can ever totally fix that.

But, we don't need the double whammy of also getting fucked on trade deals on top of the sometimes burden of being the world reserve currency.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 01:05 PM (uCjyK)

We don’t necessarily need to have a world reserve currency. That’s a situation that was engineered by U.S. politicians and international finance oligarchs. It’s not a very good situation for the average American.

My point is that we’re getting screwed on trade deals precisely because we are the world’s reserve currency. If the world economy is to grow, there has to be a steady supply of dollars from America to the rest of the world. Hence perpetual trade deficits.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 08, 2025 01:15 PM (l3YAf)

355 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 01:12 PM (uCjyK)

*puts hand up* preach Harry Paratestes, preach!

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at April 08, 2025 01:15 PM (7uWBW)

356 The Vice Admiral getting relieved of her command, I wonder if that reduces her rank? I would assume the Vice Admiral can also be charged with some form of disobeying orders or some such.

Yeah, that's someone who's not very bright because she wasn't smart enough to keep her head down and mouth closed.

Definitely a DEI promotion.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 08, 2025 01:15 PM (tT6L1)

357 Agreed. Trump wants tariffs. He did this in his first term as well, saying he wanted free trade.

This was in line with Adam Smith in The Wealth of Nations saying tariffs are good as a tool to get other countries to reduce their tariffs, something the free traders never learned.

Posted by: MikeN at April 08, 2025 01:15 PM (HVZOH)

358 WHo told ROuth to buy Stingers from the Ukes ?
Posted by: runner
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and where did he get the money?

Posted by: wth at April 08, 2025 01:16 PM (HgMAr)

359 I thought the left wanted a president who put American jobs over the interests of Wall Street, and didn't want any more wars?

lol
Posted by: brak at April 08, 2025 01:13 PM (jGJov)

That was before the 2.0 software update. Now we want the exact opposite.
- Democrat NPCs

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 01:16 PM (Y5yQx)

360 useless biology degrees

??? There are lots of degrees more useless than biology. For one, a biology degree is the most common precursor to medical school.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia

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Yes, you're helping make my point.

Those young ladies aren't going to medical school.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:16 PM (zJgD/)

361 It’s been 1 week.
You’d think he tanked the economy for a decade with the way people were squealing.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 08, 2025 01:16 PM (Hkcdp)

362 so, the Ryan Routh indictment came out, Under seal and containing sensitive information, but the The DOJ is asserting that Routh tried to buy Stingers from the Ukrainians for the assassination.
Posted by: Kindltot - eight furry chickens in white wine
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Thought the Ukes were buying Stingers from us.
With the money we sent them.
Posted by: wth at April 08, 2025 01:15 PM (HgMAr)

CIA is funny like that. There's us, and then there's "us."

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 01:16 PM (dGCAG)

363 FOLLOW THE MONEY!

Posted by: runner at April 08, 2025 01:17 PM (g47mK)

364 My take Is the same as Ace's. But I think, and hope, Trump may be looking at tariffs plus some other items when negotiating. For instance Vietnam relabels Chinese products and helps them avoid tariffs so they would have to address that. Subsidies and VAT have also been mentioned.

Yeah, there is a good chance he wants tariffs for tariff's sake regardless of what is offered, but he would be a fool to pass up the opportunity to get the deals of a lifetime with other countries

Posted by: Thatch at April 08, 2025 01:17 PM (bbi0+)

365 The courts are out of control

>Supreme Court Pauses Order to Rehire Federal Probationary Workers

Posted by: Oglebay at April 08, 2025 01:17 PM (MMp6W)

366
lay off all the Americans, outsource what you can to China or India, import people from those countries to work for cheaper and under the threat of losing their visa.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes

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Add to your recipe for disaster: Invite anti-American people from shithole countries to get degrees in American universities and when they graduate, staple a green card to their diploma.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 08, 2025 01:17 PM (asZHj)

367 The stock market has been throwing a fit now for, what 5 days? And we're supposed to believe the sky is absolutely falling based on a few days worth of data?

This is silly, in the extreme.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 08, 2025 01:17 PM (tT6L1)

368 > Yes, you're helping make my point.

Those young ladies aren't going to medical school.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:16 PM (zJgD/)

And you're ignoring my point, which is that biology is far from the most useless degree.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 08, 2025 01:17 PM (W5ArC)

369 bio degrees are like a fallback/default degree when you wash out of STEM

I breathe a sigh of relief every day that not one of mine ended up there, it was close with one!

their friends grad'ing with bio degrees - ugh. best case is get a research job and get paid nada

Posted by: Black Orchid at April 08, 2025 01:18 PM (Pv3Rg)

370 You’d think he tanked the economy for a decade with the way people were squealing.

News crawls are calling it a recession, the "Trump Slump" LOL

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 08, 2025 01:18 PM (OlZEO)

371 Don't forget the most useful part:

You'd better work 80+ hours a week without complaint or we'll deport your ass.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:10 PM (zJgD/)

Oh, absolutely.

But even without that leverage, culturally it's a big deal for Indians and Chinese to show that they are upper class / caste in their countries by saying "I work(ed) at Microsoft."

So it's also a prestige thing. Which means they cannot call their mom and say "I got fired from Microsoft because I questioned my boss about why I had to work 80 hours last week."

So they are VERY compliant employees.

Which upper management likes. Even if they're somewhat incompetent and are certainly not driving innovation.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 01:18 PM (uCjyK)

372 On the tariff plus side, China banned Hollywood movies. Hollywood has got to be crapping their pants right now.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 08, 2025 01:18 PM (lIio7)

373 Add to your recipe for disaster: Invite anti-American people from shithole countries to get degrees in American universities and when they graduate, staple a green card to their diploma.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 08, 2025 01:17 PM (asZHj)

I think we should staple a return ticket to their forehead the second they hit the ground here.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 08, 2025 01:18 PM (MGB5H)

374 ***Recession fears remain as ...
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the media and financiers like Larry the Fink continually talk it down.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at April 08, 2025 01:18 PM (ItxVu)

375 Is that provable somehow? I ask because I'd have expected that most of the market is owned by institutions, like money managers, insurance companies, pension funds etc.

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This is based on federal reserve data published in 2020.

It's even worse now because these mewling fuckpiss globalists made a shit ton during COVAID pandemic, then held on to their portfolio while low income investors panic sold in 2022, making the lopsided numbers even worse

Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxed Ranger - Uplifting The Wagshambas of Freedom at April 08, 2025 01:18 PM (HYKHz)

376 Navy Vice Admiral Shoshana

when you're in a karaoke bar in Tokyo and a local does a rendition of Toto's "Rosanna"

Posted by: brak at April 08, 2025 01:18 PM (jGJov)

377 Not just them. Libertarians, who hold "all taxes should be consumption taxes" as a high ideal, are all screaming about the tariffs even though they are in fact consumption taxes.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 08, 2025 01:03 PM (2ocoG)

well, in a mindset that believes that the markets will resolve things if left alone, tariffs disrupt the market action, which is a bad thing in and of itself, no matter what the outcome
Personally, Trump putting 50% tariff calculated on trade imbalance, foreign tariffs against US goods, and levels of fentanyl and human trafficking levels, is pretty generous.

Posted by: Kindltot - eight furry chickens in white wine at April 08, 2025 01:18 PM (D7oie)

378 Add to your recipe for disaster: Invite anti-American people from shithole countries to get degrees in American universities and when they graduate, staple a green card to their diploma.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 08, 2025 01:17 PM (asZHj)

Absolutely. One of the dumbest ideas Trump has ever had. I hope Steve Bannon smacked him across the head with a rolled up newspaper when he heard Trump say that.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 01:19 PM (uCjyK)

379 Second homepage hijack. This time on a separate device.

Posted by: Max Power at April 08, 2025 01:19 PM (Hucnr)

380
useless biology degrees

??? There are lots of degrees more useless than biology. For one, a biology degree is the most common precursor to medical school.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia

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Yes, you're helping make my point.

Those young ladies aren't going to medical school.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie

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Where are you getting this? Medical schools are majority female students now. Anyway, what's the narrative?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 08, 2025 01:19 PM (asZHj)

381 Admiral Shoshana Chatfield has a "Doctorate" of Education. Awesome degree.

Posted by: Doctor Jill Biden at April 08, 2025 01:19 PM (ZAF6z)

382
cook is saying that we have no draftsmen. Us, in the United States. Have no draftsmen. But China does ? okay.
Posted by: runner at April 08, 2025 01:02 PM (g47mK)

Horse hockey. China has a lot of people who can copy a dxf file that they steal from the actual designers in the US and Europe.

This is one of the big reasons why Chinese military jet engines suck ass. They bought several Boeing 737s just before the post-Tiananmen embargos in '89. They simply copied the engine cores for their WS10 engine program, with modifications for use in fighter aircraft, and wasted 20 years trying to get Russian engine control software to work with the reverse-engineered western engine. But they basically ignored the metallurgy, so the engines have to be overhauled about every 30 hours of operation (even the Russians managed 400+ hours on their shitty engines).

It takes more than a gang of engineers with calipers and yardsticks to copy modern technology.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 08, 2025 01:20 PM (y9nCu)

383 Rodrigo if you're actually going into medicine you're right but honestly not even then

we were advised to have them major in chem (in a normal school of the college) or in a B of S major like biochemistry

bio major in the normal arts&sciences type school of a college is utterly useless. it's sad. you need to be in the science/engineering school getting your BS for it to work

OR just do incredible on your MCAD and have the correct demographics and go premed.

but most students end up deciding against pre med anyway

Posted by: Black Orchid at April 08, 2025 01:20 PM (Pv3Rg)

384 Navy Vice Admiral Shoshana
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when you're in a karaoke bar in Tokyo and a local does a rendition of Toto's "Rosanna"
Posted by: brak at April 08, 2025 01:18 PM (jGJov)

Or The Knack's "My Shoshana."

Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 01:20 PM (dGCAG)

385 317 refusing to LEVVY ANY TARRIFS when every1 else does is basically UNILATERAL DISARMAMENT

you go girl!

Posted by: michelle fields at April 08, 2025 01:20 PM (v3pYe)

386 Libertarians/AnCaps might say that free trade is necessary if you want to live in a prosperous world where you can pick your neighbors.

Posted by: Oglebay at April 08, 2025 01:20 PM (MMp6W)

387 cook is saying that we have no draftsmen. Us, in the United States. Have no draftsmen. But China does ? okay.
Posted by: runner

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Uh, so what have I been doing for the last 30 years?

Posted by: Pug Mahon at April 08, 2025 01:20 PM (PSEDc)

388 I get mine at Stingers'R'us.

Posted by: wth at April 08, 2025 01:20 PM (HgMAr)

389 Thought the Ukes were buying Stingers from us.
With the money we sent them.
Posted by: wth at April 08, 2025 01:15 PM (HgMAr)

The Ukes are selling them to the Mexican Cartels, if you trust the rumors. It is like Fast and Furious under Obama. Just not the worstest thing in the world this time.

Oh, wait, it is like those stingers being shipped through BenGhazi, right? that was totes cool.

Posted by: Kindltot - eight furry chickens in white wine at April 08, 2025 01:20 PM (D7oie)

390 I’ve see this phenomenon play out many times in many companies.

Hire cheap Indian coders.

Cheap coders do shitty job

Then hire very expensive American contractors to fix what they built.

In the end it’s a lot more expensive. More headaches and unhappy customers, than hiring Americans to begin with.

And yet they never learn the golden rule. Good. Cheap. Fast . Pick 2

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 01:21 PM (Y5yQx)

391 Volatility is thy name today. Was up 1200 at one point, now barely over 220.

The tariff situation is going to be as transitory a problem for Wall St as Joeflation was.

I tend to agree with ace that they're not going anywhere despite the best efforts of other nations to try and negotiate.

Posted by: Defenestratus at April 08, 2025 01:21 PM (WYStd)

392 Or the Stinger Emporium. They have sales.

Posted by: wth at April 08, 2025 01:21 PM (HgMAr)

393 Cashier (50+ white woman) told me that Trump is about to declare martial law. All the signs are obvious.

Don’t say nobody told you. Fore-warned is fore-armed.

Ayn Rand was right. Who is John Galt?

Posted by: Going deep. Out. at April 08, 2025 01:21 PM (8oZMm)

394 *puts hand up* preach Harry Paratestes, preach!
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at April 08, 2025 01:15 PM (7uWBW)

Will do! Also, good to "see" you!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 01:21 PM (uCjyK)

395 Yes, you're helping make my point.

Those young ladies aren't going to medical school.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:16 PM (zJgD/)

And you're ignoring my point, which is that biology is far from the most useless degree.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia

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I didn't say it was the most useless degree. I didn't even say it was as or more useless as sociology, linguistics, archaeology, etc. degrees. I pointed out it's a useless degree on the way to being a cashier at Walmart with $60K in debt. Literally:

"and we can stop convincing young women to get useless biology degrees and go $60K in debt in student loans before taking that post-college cashier job at the Walmart."

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:22 PM (zJgD/)

396 Resting. Trying to recover from Black Monday.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 08, 2025 01:22 PM (+nKhw)

397
On the tariff plus side, China banned Hollywood movies. Hollywood has got to be crapping their pants right now.
Posted by: bonhomme

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WOW. tbf they already pirate a ton of stuff, though.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 08, 2025 01:22 PM (asZHj)

398 In a better world, people would pay for what they want, and not be forced to pay anything they don't.

It would be nice if government wasn't such a blunt instrument, but alas...

So... in theory at least, if you know you are paying for government, when you buy something that has a tax on it, you are kinda sorta voluntarily paying, and not being coerced.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 08, 2025 01:09 PM (dGCAG)

Fees for services (like postage).

Tolls for roads.

Prison labor for everything else.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 08, 2025 01:22 PM (l3YAf)

399
I recently discovered there's a real degree in ethnobotany.

I was like, that isn't what I think it is, is it?

Yeah, it's a "degree" in, get this, race in plants.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 01:22 PM (Ks1zr)

400 The stock market is moodier than a 14 year old Goth Chick.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 08, 2025 12:21 PM (XV/Pl)

I noticed that in the 80s, and every day an analyst would be there like a witchdoctor explaining what spiritual influence was the cause of it all. Next ripple, and there would be an entirely different cause.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 08, 2025 01:22 PM (n7h9X)

401 372 On the tariff plus side, China banned Hollywood movies. Hollywood has got to be crapping their pants right now.
Posted by: bonhomme

We rooz many yen on Rollywood frops.

Posted by: China at April 08, 2025 01:23 PM (/U5Yz)

402 I recently discovered there's a real degree in ethnobotany.

I was like, that isn't what I think it is, is it?

Yeah, it's a "degree" in, get this, race in plants.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 01:22 PM (Ks1zr

So like black walnut?

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 08, 2025 01:23 PM (MGB5H)

403 (wonders how many young women remain unmarried because of crippling debt, either because they're ashamed and - rightfully- don't want to disclose it and saddle the young man with the burden, or because they did disclose it and the young man said "NOPE!"

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:23 PM (zJgD/)

404 Don’t say nobody told you. Fore-warned is fore-armed.

John has a long moustachio

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 08, 2025 01:23 PM (OlZEO)

405 The Vice Admiral getting relieved of her command, I wonder if that reduces her rank? I would assume the Vice Admiral can also be charged with some form of disobeying orders or some such.

Yeah, that's someone who's not very bright because she wasn't smart enough to keep her head down and mouth closed.

Definitely a DEI promotion.
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Waffle House 5

Posted by: Crusader at April 08, 2025 01:23 PM (TN0g+)

406 likely routh would have pointed the stinger in the wrong direction, thats a pricey item, I don't think they would part with it so easily, but it does put the award to jose andres in closer relief

Posted by: miguel cervantes at April 08, 2025 01:23 PM (bXbFr)

407 74 33 Wouldn't lowering global tariffs and other trade barriers, at least in theory, allow US industries to move more product into overseas markets and actually be able to sell it, thereby increasing domestic production and jobs?
Posted by: ballistic
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All things being equal, yes.

However, all things aren't equal. Every country has different industry subsidies rules, minimum wages, handles healthcare differently, has different environmental regs, etc. etc.

And that's if everyone is playing by the rules, and in good faith trying to encourage international trade. Which no one is. They're trying to do what is best for their own country, or at least the wealthy and powerful in those countries. Which is what we'd expect.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Absolutely right. Free trade is rhetorical and not actually a description in real life and David Ricardo of comparative advantage fame distorted real world effects in his simple model to the extent that Ricardian Vice became a thing among economists.

Posted by: whig at April 08, 2025 01:24 PM (ctrM5)

408 >>Trying to recover from Black Monday.

I'm still trying to get up to speed after the Popcorn Lung.

Posted by: garrett at April 08, 2025 01:24 PM (F30Ty)

409 393 Cashier (50+ white woman) told me that Trump is about to declare martial law. All the signs are obvious.

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I’d respond with.. I know. I saw the national guard mobilizing. You better leave right now and go home. And I heard your boss is a Trumper, better tell him to fuck off on your way out.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 01:24 PM (Y5yQx)

410 Soon there will be $60K student loan debt sob stories of young ladies getting Biology Studies degrees.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:24 PM (zJgD/)

411 Tolls for roads.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 08, 2025 01:22 PM (l3YAf)

Real tolls that actually pay for the Roads. In Illinois they forgot to pay any of the balance on the road since 1960 so the tolls are still there.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 08, 2025 01:24 PM (n7h9X)

412 im trying to think of the most useless STEM degree (not STEAM!)

it might be environmental science? psych? IF they are in the college's STEM school tho, often they aren't

and some schools have a College of Arts/Sciences and a College of Science/Engineering (confusing!) with a bio or an enviro degree offered in each - the BS one is the one that (ironically) is NOT in fact "BS"

Posted by: Black Orchid at April 08, 2025 01:24 PM (Pv3Rg)

413 In the end it’s a lot more expensive. More headaches and unhappy customers, than hiring Americans to begin with.

And yet they never learn the golden rule. Good. Cheap. Fast . Pick 2
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 01:21 PM (Y5yQx)
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I've been at two software companies now where leadership got so fed up with the terrible code, unresponsive and evasive workers, having to work weird hours just to get them on the phone, and blame-shifting coming out of their Indian offshore workers that they fired all of them and hired a room full of dudes here in the US. One had a product that was stuck in vaporware form for a year, and two months later the onshore team had un-fucked it to the point they could start selling it.

Posted by: ballistic at April 08, 2025 01:24 PM (wyUwI)

414 403 (wonders how many young women remain unmarried because of crippling debt, either because they're ashamed and - rightfully- don't want to disclose it and saddle the young man with the burden, or because they did disclose it and the young man said "NOPE!"
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:23 PM (zJgD/)

It goes both ways.

I know a lot of couples who make good money in "solid" careers, but have given up completely on ever buying a house and keep pushing off getting married and having kids, because weddings and kids are expensive and they both have $1k+ a month student loan payments.

It's very hard to get out of that debt trap. You basically have a mortgage payment (on the student loans) PLUS your rent and normal bills to pay.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 01:25 PM (uCjyK)

415 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 01:21 PM (uCjyK)

You too brudda

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at April 08, 2025 01:25 PM (lUhzf)

416 Cashier (50+ white woman) told me that Trump is about to declare martial law. All the signs are obvious.

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Election is over, ma'am. You can stop selling him to me.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:25 PM (zJgD/)

417 Cashier (50+ white woman) told me that Trump is about to declare martial law. All the signs are obvious.
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I'm sure CNN is all over this development...

Posted by: Crusader at April 08, 2025 01:25 PM (TN0g+)

418 Manic Monday > Blue Monday > Black Monday

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 01:25 PM (Y5yQx)

419 Trump Slaps 104% Tariff on Communist China After Beijing Defies U.S. Warning

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 08, 2025 01:25 PM (/U5Yz)

420
Anyone remember what biden & psaki told us in 2022 as we saw biden's policies put us in a Recession that the Fake News told us wasn't a recession?

They told us the US Economy was "the envy of the World." They told us that every country wished they had our economy.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 01:25 PM (Ks1zr)

421 "Apple can't afford to make I-phones in the US."
False.

Apple can't afford to make I-phones in the US using the same cost of labor.

Could Apple have invested their profits of the last 2 decades in automation and factories in the US?
Making the cost similar to China production?
Yes.

But that's a long-term return.
And not an annual stock boost by tweaking minor features and releasing another "new" I-phone.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 08, 2025 01:25 PM (r/ymJ)

422 They never would have seen a Stinger Missile sticking out of those bushes!

Posted by: garrett at April 08, 2025 01:25 PM (F30Ty)

423 So like black walnut?

lol or the Brazil nut?

(sorry!)

Posted by: Black Orchid at April 08, 2025 01:25 PM (Pv3Rg)

424 We rooz many yen on Rollywood frops.
Posted by: China
.....

With two you get eggroll.

Posted by: wth at April 08, 2025 01:26 PM (HgMAr)

425 Today's early gains in the stock market have already been given back.

Posted by: Bert the Samoan Lawyer at April 08, 2025 01:26 PM (hPaYe)

426 Was there a quieter or more compliant political identity during the china virus bullshit than the fake libertarians? No.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 01:06 PM (Ks1zr)

Like the Republicans, the Libertarians have serious divisions within the party. I expect the party to split due to these exact issues.

The Libertarian party as well.

Posted by: Kindltot - eight furry chickens in white wine at April 08, 2025 01:26 PM (D7oie)

427 60 I kind of want Blood, Sweat & Tears to do a collab with Earth, Wind, & Fire.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 08, 2025 12:30 PM (Oq5OE)

Blood Earth
Sweat Wind
Tears Fire

The combinations that could result would be epic.

The blood, sweat and tears mixed with earth would be muddy. Mixed with wind it would be like a really nasty typhoon. Maybe even a typhus typhoon. If they mixed with fire, would it put the fire out?

Oh, you meant like songs?

Posted by: haffhowershower at April 08, 2025 01:26 PM (NMT5x)

428 LOL

Reporterette: "Elon called Peter Navarro 'Dumber than a sack of bricks'. Does that indicate a break within the administration devotion to tariffs?"

Karoline, smiling: "Boys will be boys"

Posted by: Doctor Jill Biden at April 08, 2025 01:26 PM (7PvO/)

429 Interestingly, the problems with roads go beyond the cost of construction.

Posted by: Oglebay at April 08, 2025 01:26 PM (MMp6W)

430 China accuses US of burrying.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 08, 2025 01:27 PM (+nKhw)

431 On the tariff plus side, China banned Hollywood movies. Hollywood has got to be crapping their pants right now.
Posted by: bonhomme

We rooz many yen on Rollywood frops.
Posted by: China at April 08, 2025 01:23 PM (/U5Yz)
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Good bye, Horrywood!

Posted by: Grief-stricken Japanese sailor at April 08, 2025 01:27 PM (6K6Eu)

432 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 01:25 PM (uCjyK)

Correct. It’s why you see millennials and zoomers somewhat hostile to boomers.

They feel like everything was sold out and went to shit under the boomers watch.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at April 08, 2025 01:27 PM (lUhzf)

433 Shoshana, we hardly knew ye.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 08, 2025 01:27 PM (mH6SG)

434
Anyone remember biden's Supply Chain fiasco?

Remember "bare shelves biden?"

Fake News didn't just hide biden's dementia, they hid a bona fide RECESSION in 2022.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 01:27 PM (Ks1zr)

435 lol or the Brazil nut?

(sorry!)
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 08, 2025 01:25 PM (Pv3Rg)

ISWYDT. Why gma called em that.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 08, 2025 01:27 PM (MGB5H)

436 What percent of an iPhone’s cost is labor?

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 01:28 PM (Y5yQx)

437 im trying to think of the most useless STEM degree (not STEAM!)

it might be environmental science? psych? IF they are in the college's STEM school tho, often they aren't

and some schools have a College of Arts/Sciences and a College of Science/Engineering (confusing!) with a bio or an enviro degree offered in each - the BS one is the one that (ironically) is NOT in fact "BS"
Posted by: Black Orchid

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Hopefully at some point in the next generation or two people will begin to learn what everyone before Y2K had known for decades if not hundreds of years.

If you're middle class or poor, "luxury" degrees are not for you. If you have a trust fund, be a linguist. You need to eat and pay rent, so you should go into something useful.

But heck, kids are struggling to figure out what having a penis or vagina means, so we need to address those basics before we move on to difficult stuff like "how to feed and clothe yourself", I guess.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:28 PM (zJgD/)

438
They hid Economic Calamity caused by biden.

So Fuck the Fake News and their "recession" bullshit today.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 01:28 PM (Ks1zr)

439 Posted by: Doctor Jill Biden at April 08, 2025 01:26 PM (7PvO/)

And Musk took a bath yesterday too. LOL.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at April 08, 2025 01:28 PM (lUhzf)

440 Walmart may be empty in a few months.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 08, 2025 01:28 PM (+nKhw)

441 342 WHo told ROuth to buy Stingers from the Ukes ?

the whole thing was a false flag by orangemanbad's puppet master, putin, to bolster orangemanbad's street cred.

Posted by: anachronda has a tinfoil hat at April 08, 2025 01:28 PM (v3pYe)

442 Most of the really hideous tariffs on the US are to protect industry in those countries. Canada has up to 250% tariffs on dairy products, to protect Canadian dairies. European stuff is the same way. China's though, they are there to enrich Chinese leadership and control trade, making sure the nation is protected from outside influence and products. And I am 90% sure that its China that Trump has in mind, not the rest of the world.

The tariffs on Canada and Mexico? They were put in place not because of their tariffs so much as to prevent China from back dooring us through China, to avoid the taxes on them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 08, 2025 01:29 PM (OlZEO)

443 Thought the Ukes were buying Stingers from us.
With the money we sent them.
Posted by: wth at April 08, 2025 01:15 PM (HgMAr)

The Ukes are selling them to the Mexican Cartels, if you trust the rumors. It is like Fast and Furious under Obama. Just not the worstest thing in the world this time.

Oh, wait, it is like those stingers being shipped through BenGhazi, right? that was totes cool.
Posted by: Kindltot - eight furry chickens in white wine at April 08, 2025 01:20 PM (D7oie)

We did give / sell AT rockets and AA rockets to Ukraine and I'm sure some of them got out on the world market, but we ran out of those a couple years ago and this all stopped. Right now Ukraine is pretty much out of AT and AA missiles across the board, which is one of the reasons Russia's offensives go smoother and last longer.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 08, 2025 01:29 PM (n7h9X)

444 What percent of an iPhone’s cost is labor?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 01:28 PM (Y5yQx)

Good point. It’s not much. Biggest cost is Apple’s profit, by a long margin.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 08, 2025 01:29 PM (l3YAf)

445 "Hotel & Restaurant Management".

Posted by: Crusader at April 08, 2025 01:29 PM (TN0g+)

446 372 On the tariff plus side, China banned Hollywood movies. Hollywood has got to be crapping their pants right now.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 08, 2025 01:18 PM (lIio7)

Might be a good deal. Maybe Hollywood will start making movies and TV shows a majority of Americans will enjoy.

Nah, I denounce myself because Woke Hollywood will never do that.

Posted by: Gref at April 08, 2025 01:29 PM (aBgBM)

447
China accuses US of burrying.
Posted by: Boss Moss

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I was about to look up that esoteric macroeconomic term and then I remembered where I was, applied the translator, and understood.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 08, 2025 01:29 PM (asZHj)

448 I've been at two software companies now where leadership got so fed up with the terrible code, unresponsive and evasive workers, having to work weird hours just to get them on the phone, and blame-shifting coming out of their Indian offshore workers that they fired all of them and hired a room full of dudes here in the US. One had a product that was stuck in vaporware form for a year, and two months later the onshore team had un-fucked it to the point they could start selling it.
Posted by: ballistic at April 08, 2025 01:24 PM (wyUwI)

In my 23 years of employment in big pharma - I've gone through countless "offshoring/reshoring" efforts. It's very much cyclical.
Yes quality does decrease when you offshore. Cost also decreases. Then clients get pissed and you need to reshore to get competent people to fix everything.

The problem is that the domestic workforce now ... are complete and utter morons. Nobody knows how anything works. People who have been working with certain software applications can't tell you a damn thing about how it works beyond the very narrow slice of SOP-mandated process they do over and over again. There's absolutely no intellectual curiosity...

Posted by: Defenestratus at April 08, 2025 01:29 PM (WYStd)

449 But that's a long-term return.
And not an annual stock boost by tweaking minor features and releasing another "new" I-phone.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 08, 2025 01:25 PM (r/ymJ)

Yes, something really insidious has happened in recent years. We've come a long way from Dodge v. Ford, where Ford was trying to argue that he was running his company for the best interest of his customers and employees and the Court said "fuck them, you have to do what is best for your shareholders."

It's a logical ruling, but also -- here we are. Now that seems to mean "all that matters is short term stock gains, not long term improvements."

And I'm sure a lot of that has to do with the typical short tenure of professional CEO's. They're only at the company for 5 years at best, they need to show the stock price going up during that time. What happens 6 years from now is the next guys problem.

Not a formula for long term sustainable growth.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 01:30 PM (uCjyK)

450 436 What percent of an iPhone’s cost is labor?

forty-two!

Posted by: deep thought at April 08, 2025 01:30 PM (v3pYe)

451 440 Walmart may be empty in a few months.
Posted by: Boss Moss

At least they have automotive and garden departments.

Posted by: Dollar Tree at April 08, 2025 01:30 PM (/U5Yz)

452 nood judges

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 08, 2025 01:30 PM (uCjyK)

453 and keep pushing off getting married and having kids, because weddings and kids are expensive

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That "getting married is expensive" part is interesting. It's not, but for some reason there has to be a $30K wedding for all the bride's friends to be impressed for two hours.

See also: $60K biology degree

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:30 PM (zJgD/)

454 Correct. It’s why you see millennials and zoomers somewhat hostile to boomers.

They feel like everything was sold out and went to shit under the boomers watch.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at April 08, 2025 01:27 PM (lUhzf)

They also don’t realize the vast majority of boomers are no longer in positions of power. Yes I know Trump is old and so is McConnell.

But I mean positions of power in business. Few if any boomers run things now. The typical Fortune 500 CEO is in his or her 50s, not 70s.

If they want to be mad at a generation, GenX is who they should be looking to. For better or worse we’re the ones who run things now.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 01:31 PM (Y5yQx)

455 He wasn't after Trump, he just wanted to blow up the clubhouse.

Posted by: Routh's lawyer at April 08, 2025 01:31 PM (HgMAr)

456 >> You need to eat and pay rent, so you should go into something useful.

Like Employment.

The biggest loss involved in a College Degree is 4 years of real world experience. Something you will not get in College, regardless of your degree choice.

Posted by: garrett at April 08, 2025 01:31 PM (F30Ty)

457 Elon is going to finish up with DOGE and go back to his rockets. He is Trump's friend but his policy preferences are not important.

Posted by: steevy at April 08, 2025 01:32 PM (KQk9m)

458 "Canada has up to 250% tariffs on dairy products, to protect Canadian dairies."

The tariffs on Canada and Mexico? They were put in place not because of their tariffs so much as to prevent China from back dooring us through China, to avoid the taxes on them.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 08, 2025 01:29 PM (OlZEO)

Actually, the Canadian dairy supply management (which includes tariffs) is in place only to help a few hundred well-connected farmers in Quebec. The rest of Canada gets screwed, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 08, 2025 01:32 PM (8zz6B)

459 Maybe Trump can achieve the repatriation of industry just by creating a climate of uncertainty about the tariffs. And increasing tariffs on China.

Posted by: PG at April 08, 2025 01:33 PM (Ohm5I)

460 They feel like everything was sold out and went to shit under the boomers watch.

It was but I am not convinced it was the boomers' fault. I think that was the direction things were going already. But I did notice that the bulk of the "protests" last week were noticeably boomer.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 08, 2025 01:33 PM (OlZEO)

461 've been at two software companies now where leadership got so fed up with the terrible code, unresponsive and evasive workers, having to work weird hours just to get them on the phone, and blame-shifting coming out of their Indian offshore workers that they fired all of them and hired a room full of dudes here in the US. One had a product that was stuck in vaporware form for a year, and two months later the onshore team had un-fucked it to the point they could start selling it.
Posted by: ballistic at April 08, 2025 01:24 PM (wyUwI)

All true. Even if you find a good worker out there, he's gonna move on and start his own stable or work 2 jobs and suddenly not be there and you will never track him down.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 08, 2025 01:33 PM (n7h9X)

462 This is based on federal reserve data published in 2020.
Posted by: The Unmasked and Unvaxed Ranger - Uplifting The Wagshambas of Freedom at April 08, 2025 01:18 PM (HYKHz)
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Dilbert famously once said 78% of all statistics are fake, which is why I try always to get a link.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 08, 2025 01:33 PM (7PvO/)

463 If they want to be mad at a generation, GenX is who they should be looking to. For better or worse we’re the ones who run things now.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 01:31 PM (Y5yQx)

Yeah, but our big globalization push started in the 90s. Boomers were a big part of that. I’m old enough to remember when Republicans would jump down your throat if you questioned “Made in China”. They’d accuse you of being anti-free trade.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 08, 2025 01:33 PM (l3YAf)

464 71 Several times I've seen folks whining that the way, and who was included, in the tariffs doesn't make sense.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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There is a whole line of economic theory and thought on tariffs including economic history. But, most people have never actually read Adam Smith Wealth of Nations either or Ricardo in his own words. Basically Adam Smith excluded 'free' trade on items of national security (things like steel, aluminum, etc. would substitute for wood, iron, etc. in his world). Ricardo's comparative advantage theory created its own counter term--Ricardian vice for its ignoring other factors that affect trade like climate, etc.

And a big shibboleth--the Smoot Hawley tariff increases prolonged the Great Depression when it had a minor effect if at all on GDP/GNP simply because the US did not depend on intl trade at the time. Friedman was first out the box to note that the disastrous post 29 crash Fed Reserve policy to tighten the money supply did that. The Fed killed any recovery from the crash as a result.

Ceterus paribus is almost a magic formula whenever economists talk-it means all other factors being constant. Most people ignore that.

Posted by: whig at April 08, 2025 01:33 PM (ctrM5)

465 Things are not so good in China right now.
They're about to get hit with the Japan Disease and their economy is due for one of the biggest depressions the world has ever seen.

Their real estate market, that had been so overbuilt that we started hearing about "Ghost Cities" fifteen years ago or more, has completely collapsed.

Normal Chinese citizens cannot invest in the stock market.
They're only real option is real estate.

So you've got all of these families, Mom Dad, one kid, from the One Child Policy.
There is no Social Security in China.
Your safety net is your child.
These families literally put every yuan they had into buying an apartment to hold, to eventually sell later for profit, or give to their child and his family, so they can afford to live and work in the city.

Now the Chinese have tens of thousands of apartments that are falling apart because they were cheaply made to begin with, are unfinished (literally no plumbing/wiring just drywall), and are nearly worthless.

They have had steady deflation since COVID.
They've flooded every market across the world with cheap goods to fight whats coming.

The CCP will fight like it's life or death, because it is for them.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at April 08, 2025 01:34 PM (6ydKt)

466 You need to eat and pay rent, so you should go into something useful.

Like Employment.

The biggest loss involved in a College Degree is 4 years of real world experience. Something you will not get in College, regardless of your degree choice.

Posted by: garrett

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Yep.

There's a reason high school seniors aren't taught what investing $300 or so a month for 50 years will do.

Not in any meaningful way, at least. They might have a ten minute segment of a chapter somewhere, but not any real instruction.

Imagine how devastating it would be to the college economy and student loan industry if high school grads knew how easy it was to become wealthy.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:34 PM (zJgD/)

467 We have decades of data showing that 9mm and up are pretty good at this. .380 is marginal. .22 is just not good unless you get a CNS hit or you have time for them to bleed out.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 08, 2025 01:15 PM (lIio7)

In the context of self-defense in an otherwise still functioning society, I get what you're saying but still think .22 beats a harshly written letter, a sharp stick or a scream.
In the context of way way way upthread where reavers were coming in a barbarian world, suppressive fire from a .22 rifle would be adequate to keep folks at bay, IMO.
Hope to never be proven wrong.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 08, 2025 01:35 PM (FCbAQ)

468 436 What percent of an iPhone’s cost is labor?

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 01:28 PM (Y5yQx)

Not much. That expense is only subsistence-level foodstuffs for the slaves. Maybe add the cost of new blankets and new tire tread sandals, every three years.

Posted by: Gref at April 08, 2025 01:35 PM (aBgBM)

469 It was but I am not convinced it was the boomers' fault. I think that was the direction things were going already. But I did notice that the bulk of the "protests" last week were noticeably boomer.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Many of them are the fired federal contractor owners and senior fed workers let go. There is a reason that these protesters were overwhelmingly white and older.

Posted by: whig at April 08, 2025 01:35 PM (ctrM5)

470 Actually, the Canadian dairy supply management (which includes tariffs) is in place only to help a few hundred well-connected farmers in Quebec. The rest of Canada gets screwed, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 08, 2025 01:32 PM (8zz6B)

The answer to wanting to preserve an industry is not to block imports but to subsidize the market. If you want to boost your butter buddy, give him an exclusive contract to government business or even money. Its better than making average people pay more for dairy every day.

Similar to military industry if you consider butter a national need.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 08, 2025 01:36 PM (n7h9X)

471 In the context of self-defense in an otherwise still functioning society, I get what you're saying but still think .22 beats a harshly written letter, a sharp stick or a scream.
In the context of way way way upthread where reavers were coming in a barbarian world, suppressive fire from a .22 rifle would be adequate to keep folks at bay, IMO.
Hope to never be proven wrong.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
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If shit gets that bad, you want something that you can fire far beyond the 50 yard line. I.e., a centerfire rifle cartridge of some kind.

Posted by: whig at April 08, 2025 01:37 PM (ctrM5)

472 Monday of color

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 08, 2025 01:39 PM (63Dwl)

473 But I mean positions of power in business. Few if any boomers run things now. The typical Fortune 500 CEO is in his or her 50s, not 70s.

If they want to be mad at a generation, GenX is who they should be looking to. For better or worse we’re the ones who run things now.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 08, 2025 01:31 PM (Y5yQx)

Yes its the people who were juniors in the late 70s and 80s and took power in the 90s who started screwing the pooch locally and internationally by trying to run an under the cover empire forever. They lost contact with the reason behind the cold war government operations and it became an end to itself for them. You started seeing all kinds of utopian reasons for international intervention and stupid economic policies like moving things to China, then everywhere else.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 08, 2025 01:43 PM (n7h9X)

474 and keep pushing off getting married and having kids, because weddings and kids are expensive

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That "getting married is expensive" part is interesting. It's not, but for some reason there has to be a $30K wedding for all the bride's friends to be impressed for two hours.

See also: $60K biology degree
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 08, 2025 01:30 PM (zJgD/)

My mom raised the 6 of us without billions of dollars. Did we go out a lot for food. Nope. Big house, nope. Vacations? Rarely and we drove.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 08, 2025 01:46 PM (n7h9X)

475 "He talks about re-industrializing the US and bringing the jobs back home. That doesn't happen if the world just lowers all of its tariffs."

It does, though. Both his critics and supporters seem to miss this point -- remove all the trade barriers, and US manufacturing output is around 50% higher than it is today. The playing field today is profoundly tilted against us right now.

Trump has somewhat ingeniously created a classic win/win -- either we recapture our imports with tariffs, or you import more from us to balance out your trade with us. We don't have to care which, that's your problem.

There's a significant short-term cost to this play, but long term? Winning.

Posted by: TallDave at April 08, 2025 02:38 PM (98TtQ)

476 41 Mark Steyn made the genius decision to be his own legal counsel and Lost in a Canadian "court."
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 08, 2025 02:38 PM (Ks1zr)

Sounds smart to me. He wasn't going to win in occupied Canada.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 08, 2025 02:41 PM (n7h9X)

It was a DC court, Steyn is Canadian and Mann was professor in PA so of course DC had jurisdiction somehow. What a horrible joke the Dems have made of or justice system.

Posted by: extybeebeachbum at April 08, 2025 03:46 PM (6MSI9)

477 "Trump has somewhat ingeniously created a classic win/win "

For God's sake, you guys need to get out of this echo chamber. Look at the things you are saying. Look at the people you are supporting.

Posted by: Amish at April 08, 2025 04:10 PM (PI9a3)

478 Love you, Ace. Read you everyday. But this didn't age well.

True conservatives are for free (and fair) markets.

(And also tariffs are taxes!)

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