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US Stocks Down 4% on Tariff Fears; Trump: "Sometimes You Have to Take Medicine to Fix Something"
Wall Street is panicking. They like stability and predictability, and also, they like the world trade system they willed into being and have profited massively from for 50 years.
President Trump defended his trade policies amid a global market slide, saying economic discomfort is necessary to correct decades of bad deals. He denied triggering the stock market plunge, calling the turbulence "medicine" needed to heal the U.S. economy.The "tariffs are here to stay" isn't just for purposes of negotiating with countries that rip us off. I think it's also intended to calm the markets -- the markets don't like tariffs, but they like uncertainty even less, and Trump is telling them they can be certain, at least, that the policy they don't like is the policy going forward. So they can make plans based on that certainty. I do worry about the short- to medium-term disruptions of the tariffs and the not-small possibility that they can tip the weak economy into recession. On the other hand, I'm not sure we can continue limping along under the present system. As the neocons said of the "stability" of the Middle East before the Iraq invasion, yes, the system is stable, but it's the stability of the lowest depths of the sewer. It's stable because it can't sink any lower.
... President Donald Trump, returning to Washington on Sunday, addressed the market turmoil gripping global investors. Speaking aboard Air Force One, Trump pushed back against claims that he was intentionally destabilizing the stock market. "I don't want anything to go down," he told reporters. "But sometimes you have to take medicine to fix something." His remarks came at the tail end of a brutal three-day stretch that saw markets shed trillions in value. By Sunday evening, early trading suggested the U.S. stock market would open more than 4% lower on Monday--potentially capping one of the worst market routs in history. Oil prices fell below $60, the dollar weakened, and even gold--a typical safe-haven--dipped. The sell-off was fueled by growing investor concern that the Trump administration would not reverse course on its aggressive tariff agenda. Markets had held out hope over the weekend for a sign of easing trade tensions. Instead, the administration sent a clear message: the tariffs are here to stay.
Sean Davis
@seanmdav Due to the deliberate government policies of the last 50 years, America can't produce its own food, fertilizer, energy, weapons, medicine, vehicles, clothing, or computers. The architects of those policies, as well as those who’ve gotten rich off them, will look you dead in the eye and tell you it's Actually Good to be forced to rely on your enemies for everything you need to survive.
Lee SmithOn the other hand, upsetting the grubby stability of the Middle East didn't improve things. Unelected Dictator of Europe Usula von der Leyen says that Europe is ready to agree to zero tariffs in exchange for zero tariffs, but I don't believe her. I believe this is yet another delaying action by the globalists, hoping to give time to Axis Media to coerce Trump into reversing his policy before it goes into full effect. Also, note that she will only talk about zero tariffs on industrial goods. They're going to continue keeping US agricultural goods out, forever, because they're full-on protectionist at our extent and always have been and always will be.
@LeeSmithDC It's not just the trade regime, it's the political regime that grew out of it. The widening income gap, rising oligarchy, impoverishing middle class -- all underwritten by a deal with the most vicious totalitarian regime of modern times. That's why Trump called it Liberation Day.
Europe is ready to negotiate with the US.
— Ursula von der Leyen (@vonderleyen) April 7, 2025
We have offered zero-for-zero tariffs for industrial goods.
Because we're always ready for a good deal.
But we’re also prepared to respond with countermeasures.
And protect ourselves against indirect effects through trade diversion. pic.twitter.com/hpZ77TXH4B
Pennsylvania steelworkers on why they are supporting President Trump:
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) April 7, 2025
"Historically, we've all been Democrats -- When President Trump stepped in and imposed those tariffs on the Chinese, I firmly believed he saved the steel industry."pic.twitter.com/wpNry7o2SR
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Posted by: BruceWayne at April 07, 2025 03:52 PM (MGB5H)
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Blvd
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 07, 2025 03:53 PM (mlg/3)
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I do worry about the short- to medium-term disruptions of the tariffs and the not-small possibility that they can tip the weak economy into recession.
We've been in a depression for several years now so...I don't think there is any "tipping" to be concerned about
We've been in a depression for several years now so...I don't think there is any "tipping" to be concerned about
Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2025 03:53 PM (t0Rmr)
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Wall Street is panicking.
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They're not.
Bond market moves say so.
This is more like an organized selloff to repurchase at lower prices by tricking dummy retail investors to unload at a large enough clip to allow institutions to rebuy and make money.
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They're not.
Bond market moves say so.
This is more like an organized selloff to repurchase at lower prices by tricking dummy retail investors to unload at a large enough clip to allow institutions to rebuy and make money.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 03:53 PM (GBKbO)
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Unelected Dictator of Europe Usula von der Leyen says that Europe is ready to agree to zero tariffs in exchange for zero tariffs, but I don't believe her.
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von der Lying?
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von der Lying?
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at April 07, 2025 03:53 PM (2lp6s)
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Apparently no one has ever heard of profit taking.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 07, 2025 03:54 PM (mlg/3)
Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at April 07, 2025 03:54 PM (et1vG)
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Read the content. Rookie mistake.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 07, 2025 03:54 PM (bFu5X)
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Also, note that she will only talk about zero tariffs on industrial goods. They're going to continue keeping US agricultural goods out, forever, because they're full-on protectionist at our extent and always have been and always will be.
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They get the vast majority of their food from Ukraine.
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They get the vast majority of their food from Ukraine.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 03:54 PM (GBKbO)
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Remember the only reason why Biden wasn't able to balance the budget is because he didn't tax the rich enough.
Also, Trump is Hitler because his tariffs are hitting the rich too hard.
Also, Trump is Hitler because his tariffs are hitting the rich too hard.
Posted by: The left at April 07, 2025 03:54 PM (t0Rmr)
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You know who else wanted to make a deal?
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 07, 2025 03:55 PM (njoQb)
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Von Der Leyen is good looking for a woman her age. I'll bet she was a real vixen when she was younger.
Posted by: Murkowski at April 07, 2025 03:55 PM (xCA6C)
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volatile day in markets and individual stocks.
Posted by: illiniwek at April 07, 2025 03:55 PM (Cus5s)
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Call me crazy, but listening to the stock market for the past several decade has not exactly been all puppies and parades for America.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 03:55 PM (i24o9)
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Screw Europe.
Posted by: Stateless...85% - mental state clawing up from 10% at April 07, 2025 03:55 PM (jvJvP)
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Does a woman like that have sex with men, or no?
Is she a freak between the sheets?
Ursula is German, so her sexual tastes almost certainly involve one or more of the following
Rape
Poop
S&M
Rape
Is she a freak between the sheets?
Ursula is German, so her sexual tastes almost certainly involve one or more of the following
Rape
Poop
S&M
Rape
Posted by: The left at April 07, 2025 03:56 PM (t0Rmr)
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Also, note that she will only talk about zero tariffs on industrial goods. They're going to continue keeping US agricultural goods out, forever, because they're full-on protectionist at our extent and always have been and always will be.
Take it, and come back for the rest later.
Take it, and come back for the rest later.
Posted by: Murkowski at April 07, 2025 03:56 PM (xCA6C)
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Von Der Leyen is good looking for a woman her age. I'll bet she was a real vixen when she was younger.
She must've been something before electricity!
She must've been something before electricity!
Posted by: GMan at April 07, 2025 03:56 PM (GfWuY)
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My investment strategy: put all my money into antique firearms, cars, Val u Rite, and Kaboom.
Not as typical as a tax free mutual but a hell of a lot more fun.
Not as typical as a tax free mutual but a hell of a lot more fun.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 03:56 PM (fFYnV)
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14 Call me crazy, but listening to the stock market for the past several decade has not exactly been all puppies and parades for America.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 03:55 PM (i24o9)
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The stock market mostly went up under Biden.
Was the economy good under Biden?
Outside of a couple of major dips, mostly in 2022, if you use the stock market, you say yes.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 03:55 PM (i24o9)
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The stock market mostly went up under Biden.
Was the economy good under Biden?
Outside of a couple of major dips, mostly in 2022, if you use the stock market, you say yes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 03:56 PM (GBKbO)
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The ?young millenials? who had so much fun putting $200 on Game Stop aren't done.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 07, 2025 03:56 PM (lEahz)
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Ross Perot was right, wasn't he?
Posted by: PJ at April 07, 2025 03:56 PM (RRCAT)
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We can grow our own food. Always been able to. Especially if you stop subsidizing corn and soy. So Davis is incorrect there.
We can make our own munitions. But yeah if you want smart weapons with chips in them, you are screwed. At least in the short term. Other than that, we can create all the weapons we need. Which shouldn't be as much as neocons would like. We do not need to police the world.
For the most part, labor unions are a thing of the past and they only now hold sway over government jobs.
Get rid of the last regulatory hurdles and let Americans grow their own food and create their own jobs.
Tariffs will protect the American businesses and keep the unfair foreign competitors out. Or at minimum, level the playing field.
We can make our own munitions. But yeah if you want smart weapons with chips in them, you are screwed. At least in the short term. Other than that, we can create all the weapons we need. Which shouldn't be as much as neocons would like. We do not need to police the world.
For the most part, labor unions are a thing of the past and they only now hold sway over government jobs.
Get rid of the last regulatory hurdles and let Americans grow their own food and create their own jobs.
Tariffs will protect the American businesses and keep the unfair foreign competitors out. Or at minimum, level the playing field.
Posted by: Diabeetus at April 07, 2025 03:57 PM (ASvvW)
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Ursula is exactly how you would expect a Karen to look if she were also a James Bond villain
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 07, 2025 03:57 PM (HYKHz)
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Von Der Leyen is good looking for a woman her age. I'll bet she was a real vixen when she was younger.
Posted by: Murkowski
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I don't know if the sock is meant to deliver the real message, but I think she's definitely got the structure and was doubtless quite a beauty in her day. I just don't care for the haircut.
Von Der Leyen is good looking for a woman her age. I'll bet she was a real vixen when she was younger.
Posted by: Murkowski
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I don't know if the sock is meant to deliver the real message, but I think she's definitely got the structure and was doubtless quite a beauty in her day. I just don't care for the haircut.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 03:57 PM (3izae)
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also, they like the world trade system they willed into being and have profited massively from for 50 years.
yeah god forbid Joe and Jane sixpack manage to get a leg up somehow
yeah god forbid Joe and Jane sixpack manage to get a leg up somehow
Posted by: kallisto at April 07, 2025 03:58 PM (dCxaZ)
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There are a lot of pictures of Von Der Leyen with Meloni for some reason. It looks sort of like scenes from one of those fantasy movies where the pretty girl has a monster that follow her around.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2025 03:58 PM (t0Rmr)
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Sp500 and Nasdaq has been in and out of green today.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 07, 2025 03:58 PM (MmH/W)
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An old video from the Oprah show in 1982, shows an interview with President Trump. In the video he talks about tariffs to protect American workers. No one should be surprised or caught off guard.
Posted by: Ron at April 07, 2025 03:58 PM (KDtr3)
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@LeeSmithDC
It's not just the trade regime, it's the political regime that grew out of it. The widening income gap, rising oligarchy, impoverishing middle class -- all underwritten by a deal with the most vicious totalitarian regime of modern times. That's why Trump called it Liberation Day.
this guy gets it
It's not just the trade regime, it's the political regime that grew out of it. The widening income gap, rising oligarchy, impoverishing middle class -- all underwritten by a deal with the most vicious totalitarian regime of modern times. That's why Trump called it Liberation Day.
this guy gets it
Posted by: kallisto at April 07, 2025 03:58 PM (dCxaZ)
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Next the EU will agree to zero/zero on Ag, but keep in place the "non-tariff barriers" that they have clung to forever -- bans on GMO, BGH, ....
The EU has spent the last 30 years trying to hobble the US economy in order to compete. CE marking, Kyoto, Ag bans, big tech censorship demands, and now CSDDD
They are a parasite on our wealth. Not just NATO, but trade.
The EU has spent the last 30 years trying to hobble the US economy in order to compete. CE marking, Kyoto, Ag bans, big tech censorship demands, and now CSDDD
They are a parasite on our wealth. Not just NATO, but trade.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 07, 2025 03:58 PM (SwfWA)
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Trump will not be swayed.
Posted by: steevy at April 07, 2025 03:59 PM (KQk9m)
Posted by: Archimedes at April 07, 2025 03:59 PM (xCA6C)
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Where is this 4% drop? I see a .30% S&P500 drop and NASDAQ up slightly.
Ace!
Put the matches down. You don't have enough hair to burn anyway!
Ace!
Put the matches down. You don't have enough hair to burn anyway!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at April 07, 2025 03:59 PM (L5An7)
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Somebody isn't listening to what they're saying. The dollar weakened yet the price of gold went down?
Somehow, I don't think that's possible.
Somehow, I don't think that's possible.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2025 03:59 PM (tT6L1)
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Ursula is German, so her sexual tastes almost certainly involve one or more of the following
Rape
Poop
S&M
Rape
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You said rape twice.
Rape
Poop
S&M
Rape
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You said rape twice.
Posted by: Judge Holden at April 07, 2025 03:59 PM (2VToI)
Posted by: wth at April 07, 2025 03:59 PM (v0R5T)
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Billions were lost in the stock markets of other countries today.
Many so severe it tripped the circuit breaker that suspends short sales.
The US market lost over $2.1 trillion on the opening.
... And we're still trading.
That should terrify the rest of the world:
We'll roll through this, just a bit of a storm--you're gonna lose everything.
That's why they are all bending the knee.
But the same assholes and liars that have been benefiting the most from exploiting America for the last 50 years were all screaming bloody murder, that the world was going to unite against us, that our markets would crash worse than Black Monday.
Many so severe it tripped the circuit breaker that suspends short sales.
The US market lost over $2.1 trillion on the opening.
... And we're still trading.
That should terrify the rest of the world:
We'll roll through this, just a bit of a storm--you're gonna lose everything.
That's why they are all bending the knee.
But the same assholes and liars that have been benefiting the most from exploiting America for the last 50 years were all screaming bloody murder, that the world was going to unite against us, that our markets would crash worse than Black Monday.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 07, 2025 03:59 PM (xFA3k)
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a monster that follow her around.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2025 03:58 PM (t0Rmr)
*somebody* got a crush on Giorgia!
Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2025 03:58 PM (t0Rmr)
*somebody* got a crush on Giorgia!
Posted by: kallisto at April 07, 2025 03:59 PM (dCxaZ)
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I think the tariffs will be massively deflationary on the things that matter like groceries
Ben Shapiro was complaining that these tariffs will hurt Israel and the increase the price of jewelry
I’ll take cheap eggs over pricy jewelry I’d just lose in a divorce anyway, thank you
Ben Shapiro was complaining that these tariffs will hurt Israel and the increase the price of jewelry
I’ll take cheap eggs over pricy jewelry I’d just lose in a divorce anyway, thank you
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 07, 2025 04:00 PM (HYKHz)
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A couple of pro-PDT's-tariff-stuff articles were posted over the last week at:
https://nitter.net/BDSixsmith
https://nitter.net/BDSixsmith
Posted by: m at April 07, 2025 04:00 PM (CQE5S)
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34 Where is this 4% drop? I see a .30% S&P500 drop and NASDAQ up slightly.
Ace!
Put the matches down. You don't have enough hair to burn anyway!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at April 07, 2025 03:59 PM (L5An7)
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I think he's saying overall? Which is also wrong. It's down over 10%. At least the S&P is since the 2nd.
Ace!
Put the matches down. You don't have enough hair to burn anyway!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at April 07, 2025 03:59 PM (L5An7)
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I think he's saying overall? Which is also wrong. It's down over 10%. At least the S&P is since the 2nd.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:00 PM (GBKbO)
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I spent more than a little time in college getting my Econ degree and then a Master's.
Not a single economist there ever used the stock market as a meaningful stand alone metric.
Not a single economist there ever used the stock market as a meaningful stand alone metric.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 04:00 PM (fFYnV)
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Ursula von der Leyen
......
Is she the one who owns the latex and latex products company?
Posted by: wth at April 07, 2025 03:59 PM (v0R5T)
She's trying to corner the market on European keffiyahs.
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Is she the one who owns the latex and latex products company?
Posted by: wth at April 07, 2025 03:59 PM (v0R5T)
She's trying to corner the market on European keffiyahs.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 07, 2025 04:00 PM (VNX3d)
Posted by: vmom deport deport deporte at April 07, 2025 04:00 PM (0JWOm)
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The Media spread a fake Hoax today that PDT is going to impose a 90-day pause on our tariffs. This Hoax, of course, made the Markets rebound into positive territory, which was the point.
The White House said Nope, and the Markets returned to negativity.
The Media spread a fake Hoax today that PDT is going to impose a 90-day pause on our tariffs. This Hoax, of course, made the Markets rebound into positive territory, which was the point.
The White House said Nope, and the Markets returned to negativity.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:00 PM (7D215)
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We've been in a depression for several years now so...I don't think there is any "tipping" to be concerned about
Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2025 03:53 PM (t0Rmr)
Yup, its been my contention for years that if your GDP growth is LESS than combined Government Deficit spending and Inflation combined, then your economy is not growing.
Add in the export of wealth through Trade deficits... and you have an unsustainable system.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2025 03:53 PM (t0Rmr)
Yup, its been my contention for years that if your GDP growth is LESS than combined Government Deficit spending and Inflation combined, then your economy is not growing.
Add in the export of wealth through Trade deficits... and you have an unsustainable system.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2025 04:01 PM (QAkQ3)
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I wouldn't mind if he held a floor of 10% for everything from anywhere. And tells the other countries they should do the same thing.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 07, 2025 04:01 PM (/lPRQ)
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I've been listening to all the "FREE TRADE IS THE ONLY ANSWER" economists, and it's pretty clear that they are simply following their religion, rather than engaging in analysis.
Since Milton Friedman, we've had the recognition and rise of game theory. If the modern economists were smart, they'd apply the absolute most simple of lessons from it.
Since Milton Friedman, we've had the recognition and rise of game theory. If the modern economists were smart, they'd apply the absolute most simple of lessons from it.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 07, 2025 04:01 PM (N1tpc)
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You said rape twice.
Posted by: Judge Holden at April 07, 2025 03:59 PM (2VToI)
So it's rape rape.
- Whoopie
Posted by: Judge Holden at April 07, 2025 03:59 PM (2VToI)
So it's rape rape.
- Whoopie
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at April 07, 2025 04:01 PM (rUU8O)
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Yeah 0% tariffs from the EU or others doesn’t mean shit. It’s the other things like VAT and regulations meant to keep Exports out that need to be changed.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 07, 2025 04:01 PM (MmH/W)
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Not a single economist there ever used the stock market as a meaningful stand alone metric.
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Cuz the market is far too representative of the larger world. Govt metrics are simpler and usually rigged.
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Cuz the market is far too representative of the larger world. Govt metrics are simpler and usually rigged.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 07, 2025 04:01 PM (pZ64F)
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47 Yup, its been my contention for years that if your GDP growth is LESS than combined Government Deficit spending and Inflation combined, then your economy is not growing.
Add in the export of wealth through Trade deficits... and you have an unsustainable system.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2025 04:01 PM (QAkQ3)
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I've seen it asserted that if you remove government spending from the GDP growth number, the US economy hasn't grown since...
2007.
Add in the export of wealth through Trade deficits... and you have an unsustainable system.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2025 04:01 PM (QAkQ3)
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I've seen it asserted that if you remove government spending from the GDP growth number, the US economy hasn't grown since...
2007.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:01 PM (GBKbO)
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"By Sunday evening, early trading suggested the U.S. stock market would open more than 4% lower on Monday--potentially capping one of the worst market routs in history. Oil prices fell below $60, the dollar weakened, and even gold--a typical safe-haven--dipped."
Every single one of these things was way over due for a correction. Plus with oil less than $60 a barrell Trump needs to convince congress to give him the money to top off the SPR that biden drained in his vain attempt to buy votes.
On that note, china's stock market was down 16% this morning.
Every single one of these things was way over due for a correction. Plus with oil less than $60 a barrell Trump needs to convince congress to give him the money to top off the SPR that biden drained in his vain attempt to buy votes.
On that note, china's stock market was down 16% this morning.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:01 PM (e5NfL)
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EU should stand ready to deal with the Russians by themselves. We're done with that too.
Posted by: torabora at April 07, 2025 04:01 PM (Xjzeb)
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I'm retired and on a fixed budget. I saved money and invested in a 401(k) and IRAs during my working life. I'm not worried. Tariffs will work in our national interests.
Posted by: Archer at April 07, 2025 04:02 PM (IDphi)
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Not a single economist there ever used the stock market as a meaningful stand alone metric.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 04:00 PM (fFYnV)
Ah, but were they considering the "can we use this to make Trump look bad" metric? If you went to college before 2016 you probably weren't up on this, it's a relatively new development in the field.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 04:00 PM (fFYnV)
Ah, but were they considering the "can we use this to make Trump look bad" metric? If you went to college before 2016 you probably weren't up on this, it's a relatively new development in the field.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 07, 2025 04:02 PM (B9Prs)
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We provide their defense. They keep out our good with tariffs. Reciprocal tariffs by us aren't allowed.
Outside the Cold War, this system is completely unjustifiable.
Outside the Cold War, this system is completely unjustifiable.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 07, 2025 04:02 PM (guCHD)
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I think the reaction to Trump's tariffs from the international community speaks volumes. The only country that I have seen balk is China and that's not surprising. But it is a bit surprising how fast counties like Japan and the EU have folded.
I fully expect the EU will try and cheat but I also fully expect Trump will just turn the ratchet a few more clicks if they try. We focus a lot of the US because we live here but there's a reason those countries have been tariffing us for years. They need us a hell of a lot more than we need them. Whatever pain we face from a trade war they will face worse.
I fully expect the EU will try and cheat but I also fully expect Trump will just turn the ratchet a few more clicks if they try. We focus a lot of the US because we live here but there's a reason those countries have been tariffing us for years. They need us a hell of a lot more than we need them. Whatever pain we face from a trade war they will face worse.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 07, 2025 04:02 PM (LkLld)
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btw, PDT warned all these Foreign Fuckfaces since December he was going to do this.
btw, PDT warned all these Foreign Fuckfaces since December he was going to do this.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:02 PM (7D215)
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10% own 90% of the stock market
99% of those 10% are leftist shitweenies
The remaining 1% is Elon Musk
Check my math, it’s all legit
99% of those 10% are leftist shitweenies
The remaining 1% is Elon Musk
Check my math, it’s all legit
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 07, 2025 04:02 PM (HYKHz)
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@realDonaldTrump
The United States has a chance to do something that should have been done DECADES AGO. Don’t be Weak! Don’t be Stupid! Don’t be a PANICAN (A new party based on Weak and Stupid people!). Be Strong, Courageous, and Patient, and GREATNESS will be the result!
The United States has a chance to do something that should have been done DECADES AGO. Don’t be Weak! Don’t be Stupid! Don’t be a PANICAN (A new party based on Weak and Stupid people!). Be Strong, Courageous, and Patient, and GREATNESS will be the result!
Posted by: vmom deport deport deporte at April 07, 2025 04:02 PM (0JWOm)
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My business and my retirement are taking a big hit right now. I hope this works out. You don't just move supply chains that have been established for years, it take time and money.
Many if the casting foundries I used to use in the US have closed because of the EPA.
Hoping for the best.
Many if the casting foundries I used to use in the US have closed because of the EPA.
Hoping for the best.
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 07, 2025 04:03 PM (NtVYv)
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Checked my balance online. It is down. I might close it out this year.
Posted by: Don Black at April 07, 2025 04:03 PM (AOsQT)
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My typing is abhorrent
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 07, 2025 04:03 PM (NtVYv)
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10 year yields have plummeted. Which means cheaper mortgages. This is something much more meaningful to average Americans than stock market values.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 07, 2025 04:03 PM (MmH/W)
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Hey Ben Shapiro show us your sister's tits
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 07, 2025 04:03 PM (6TePA)
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I'm so old I remember Volcker raising interest rates very high during the Reagan first term. Nowadays I don't think the Fed reserve could possibly do that because the government debt is so high and I'll bet the level of personal debt is also so large these days it would cause too many personal bankruptcies for the system to be able to absorb them.
Posted by: PaleRider at April 07, 2025 04:03 PM (CKOCg)
Posted by: Zombie Ross Perot at April 07, 2025 04:03 PM (vcOmj)
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Dread Butt Pirate Roberts goin' cra-cra
@amuse
LAWFARE: Presumably, Democrat District Court judges, wanted Trump to deploy Seal Team 6 to rescue the illegal MS-13 gang member, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, that was accidentally deported to El Salvador. Chief Justice Roberts has indefinitely blocked their order to return the terrorist to US soil.
@amuse
LAWFARE: Presumably, Democrat District Court judges, wanted Trump to deploy Seal Team 6 to rescue the illegal MS-13 gang member, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, that was accidentally deported to El Salvador. Chief Justice Roberts has indefinitely blocked their order to return the terrorist to US soil.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 07, 2025 04:04 PM (mlg/3)
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I have always been more of a protectionist when it comes to trade (it used to be considered liberal) but even if your 100% on board with this, you have to admit that completely changing the way we do business overnight can be incredibly destructive to the economy in the short to medium term.
I wish Trump had just singled out like China instead of every single country.
I’m actually way more scared about Trump‘s agenda being derailed from an economic depression than I am about my stock portfolio
I wish Trump had just singled out like China instead of every single country.
I’m actually way more scared about Trump‘s agenda being derailed from an economic depression than I am about my stock portfolio
Posted by: Maroon at April 07, 2025 04:04 PM (t86uA)
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Ah, but were they considering the "can we use this to make Trump look bad" metric? If you went to college before 2016 you probably weren't up on this, it's a relatively new development in the field.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 07, 2025 04:02 PM (B9Prs)
To be fair, I let my subscription to HBR lapse when it started being written in crayon.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at April 07, 2025 04:02 PM (B9Prs)
To be fair, I let my subscription to HBR lapse when it started being written in crayon.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 04:04 PM (fFYnV)
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:04 PM (i24o9)
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Foreign leader bitch lady: Europe is ready to negotiate with the US.
We have offered zero-for-zero tariffs for industrial goods.
Because we're always ready for a good deal.
But we’re also prepared to respond with countermeasures.
And protect ourselves against indirect effects through trade diversion.
Okay, Dummy. But one thing: You Are Not In The Driver's Seat.
Foreign leader bitch lady: Europe is ready to negotiate with the US.
We have offered zero-for-zero tariffs for industrial goods.
Because we're always ready for a good deal.
But we’re also prepared to respond with countermeasures.
And protect ourselves against indirect effects through trade diversion.
Okay, Dummy. But one thing: You Are Not In The Driver's Seat.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:04 PM (7D215)
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Negotiations. They think their cars are better than ours, but know our food is better than theirs. They also seek to divide support in the US between the farmers and the manufacturers. I am sure Trump saw this coming and is okay with it. He win on agric. Elsewhere. EU is smart to deal first to preserve their ag. Others will now move very quickly. Most of this will be over by May.
Posted by: CNN director at April 07, 2025 04:04 PM (jwdCl)
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The markets will bounce back when they find out that we've got dire wolves now.
Posted by: Shoofly the Boxing Mule at April 07, 2025 04:04 PM (ufJfM)
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42 34 Where is this 4% drop? I see a .30% S&P500 drop and NASDAQ up slightly.
Ace!
Put the matches down. You don't have enough hair to burn anyway!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at April 07, 2025 03:59 PM (L5An7)
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I think he's saying overall? Which is also wrong. It's down over 10%. At least the S&P is since the 2nd.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:00 PM (GBKbO)
It's been due for a huge correction for years now - the tariffs are the excuse.
Ace!
Put the matches down. You don't have enough hair to burn anyway!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at April 07, 2025 03:59 PM (L5An7)
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I think he's saying overall? Which is also wrong. It's down over 10%. At least the S&P is since the 2nd.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:00 PM (GBKbO)
It's been due for a huge correction for years now - the tariffs are the excuse.
Posted by: Nova Local at April 07, 2025 04:05 PM (tOcjL)
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Government spending is MOAR than just the Fed.
California has gone from $100 billion to $300 billion in about 20 years.
It's still trying to spend $300 billion but only has about $230 billion available this year.
California has gone from $100 billion to $300 billion in about 20 years.
It's still trying to spend $300 billion but only has about $230 billion available this year.
Posted by: torabora at April 07, 2025 04:05 PM (Xjzeb)
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I do worry about the short- to medium-term disruptions of the tariffs and the not-small possibility that they can tip the weak economy into recession.
We've been in a depression for several years now so...I don't think there is any "tipping" to be concerned about
Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2025 03:53 PM (t0Rmr)
if you don't like the tariff, DONT BUY FOREIGN. problem solved. Disruption lasts 10 seconds until you find a new source.
We've been in a depression for several years now so...I don't think there is any "tipping" to be concerned about
Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2025 03:53 PM (t0Rmr)
if you don't like the tariff, DONT BUY FOREIGN. problem solved. Disruption lasts 10 seconds until you find a new source.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:05 PM (n7h9X)
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71 I’m actually way more scared about Trump‘s agenda being derailed from an economic depression than I am about my stock portfolio
Posted by: Maroon at April 07, 2025 04:04 PM (t86uA)
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We can survive a whole lot longer in a trade war than anyone else.
A game of chicken ends with either the other side giving up or the other side getting flattened by an 18 wheeler dragging a load of steel.
We are powerful. Trump is the first president in a while who seems to understand that.
Posted by: Maroon at April 07, 2025 04:04 PM (t86uA)
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We can survive a whole lot longer in a trade war than anyone else.
A game of chicken ends with either the other side giving up or the other side getting flattened by an 18 wheeler dragging a load of steel.
We are powerful. Trump is the first president in a while who seems to understand that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:05 PM (GBKbO)
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Liberals: we need to reshape the economy to help the working class and not just the super rich!
Trump: here’s my plan to reshape the economy to help the working class and not just the super rich.
Liberals: I’m so angryyyyyyyyyy! (Lights a Tesla on fire)
Trump: here’s my plan to reshape the economy to help the working class and not just the super rich.
Liberals: I’m so angryyyyyyyyyy! (Lights a Tesla on fire)
Posted by: Cray Cray at April 07, 2025 04:05 PM (amYJF)
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This is the Lesson that President Trump is teaching the World, today: You Fake News Fucks & You Foreign Fucks Are NOT In The Drivers Seat. I Am.
This is the Lesson that President Trump is teaching the World, today: You Fake News Fucks & You Foreign Fucks Are NOT In The Drivers Seat. I Am.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:05 PM (7D215)
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President Trump has made it clear what his plans are: Tariffs, bringing jobs back to America, removing regulatory barriers to business in the US, cutting taxes and government.
It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2025 04:05 PM (tT6L1)
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Von Der Leyen is good looking for a woman her age. I'll bet she was a real vixen when she was younger.
would
she's a 1 still
and she was probably a smoke show on the beaches of southern europe...
would
she's a 1 still
and she was probably a smoke show on the beaches of southern europe...
Posted by: Sturmtoddler at April 07, 2025 04:05 PM (v6XNT)
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I bet this is the last time brokerage houses use AI for their trading algorithms.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 04:06 PM (fFYnV)
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The French eat snails.
I'm not sure they can be saved.
I'm not sure they can be saved.
Posted by: torabora at April 07, 2025 04:06 PM (Xjzeb)
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Posted by: Diabeetus at April 07, 2025 03:57 PM (ASvvW)
Even the Rare Earth shortage is just because of our own environmental regulations... we shut down the most productive rare earth mine there was... and ensured that a much less Environmentally friendly country did the mining.
Even the Rare Earth shortage is just because of our own environmental regulations... we shut down the most productive rare earth mine there was... and ensured that a much less Environmentally friendly country did the mining.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2025 04:06 PM (QAkQ3)
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>>10 year yields have plummeted. Which means cheaper mortgages. This is something much more meaningful to average Americans than stock market values.
More fundamentally it means when we have to refinance $9 trillion worth of debt later this year we will do it at lower interest rates. I don't think the consequences of our public debt get enough attention. We are nearing the point of no return.
More fundamentally it means when we have to refinance $9 trillion worth of debt later this year we will do it at lower interest rates. I don't think the consequences of our public debt get enough attention. We are nearing the point of no return.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 07, 2025 04:06 PM (LkLld)
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Investing in the stock market is like getting into a hot tub with Madonna. It seems great at first, until some Old Lady Squeezings go floating by.
Posted by: It's Fixed! at April 07, 2025 04:06 PM (ekEaX)
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You know what is blowing my mind?
This, this little bit of equality, of tit-for-tat, of--dare I say, "fairness"--in trade, this minor, inoffensive demand that "if you sell your goods here, we should be able to sell ours there" has caused such an uproar.
Some calling it an "economic" WWIII.
The whole world scurrying like vampire roaches because Trump turned the light on how much they are bleeding the American worker.
This, this little bit of equality, of tit-for-tat, of--dare I say, "fairness"--in trade, this minor, inoffensive demand that "if you sell your goods here, we should be able to sell ours there" has caused such an uproar.
Some calling it an "economic" WWIII.
The whole world scurrying like vampire roaches because Trump turned the light on how much they are bleeding the American worker.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 07, 2025 04:06 PM (xFA3k)
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It' not really rashing today at all.
NASDAQ is actually UP a little bit today.
S&P 500 is currently UP today.
Dow30 is currently down halfm a percentage point.
Basdically, just anther random day in the stock market. Not a crash.
Bunch of doom-mongering, that's all. The media wants to create a panic. But the markerts are so automated, it ain't gonna work. If things go down, the algortihms snap up the bargains, and the stocks go back up.
ANd so it always shall be.
NASDAQ is actually UP a little bit today.
S&P 500 is currently UP today.
Dow30 is currently down halfm a percentage point.
Basdically, just anther random day in the stock market. Not a crash.
Bunch of doom-mongering, that's all. The media wants to create a panic. But the markerts are so automated, it ain't gonna work. If things go down, the algortihms snap up the bargains, and the stocks go back up.
ANd so it always shall be.
Posted by: zombie at April 07, 2025 04:06 PM (pMi6S)
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Check my math, it’s all legit
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 07, 2025 04:02 PM (HYKHz
No math on the blog, please and thank you.
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 07, 2025 04:02 PM (HYKHz
No math on the blog, please and thank you.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at April 07, 2025 04:06 PM (jJe1m)
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10 year yields have plummeted. Which means cheaper mortgages. This is something much more mea
********
It’s actually gone up presumably because China is selling US debt and manipulating their currency I retaliation and pure spite
I’d like to unearth Nixon just so I can kick him in the balls for starting this China gay love shit
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It’s actually gone up presumably because China is selling US debt and manipulating their currency I retaliation and pure spite
I’d like to unearth Nixon just so I can kick him in the balls for starting this China gay love shit
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 07, 2025 04:06 PM (HYKHz)
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Unelected Dictator of Europe Usula von der Leyen says that Europe is ready to agree to zero tariffs in exchange for zero tariffs, but I don't believe her.
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von der Lying?
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at April 07, 2025 03:53 PM (2lp6s)
You can tell that the French already got their orders in by the limit to Industrial only.
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von der Lying?
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at April 07, 2025 03:53 PM (2lp6s)
You can tell that the French already got their orders in by the limit to Industrial only.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:07 PM (n7h9X)
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I wouldn't mind if he held a floor of 10% for everything from anywhere. And tells the other countries they should do the same thing.
And ditched ALL federal taxes and replaced with a national felt sales tax (imports or domestics). As it is right now all those taxes are a penalty on domestoc goods and services. That penalty of if it's a subsidy on imports is a distinction w/o difference.
... and our exports, not being sold retail domestically, will have no domestic federal tax.
And ditched ALL federal taxes and replaced with a national felt sales tax (imports or domestics). As it is right now all those taxes are a penalty on domestoc goods and services. That penalty of if it's a subsidy on imports is a distinction w/o difference.
... and our exports, not being sold retail domestically, will have no domestic federal tax.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 07, 2025 04:07 PM (/lPRQ)
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I think he's saying overall? Which is also wrong. It's down over 10%. At least the S&P is since the 2nd.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Yep. Today is rather tame by comparison with very minor market moves.
Been expecting a market correction since summer 24 as were a lot of other analysts. The tariffs were simply the excuse for blowing the froth off the market.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Yep. Today is rather tame by comparison with very minor market moves.
Been expecting a market correction since summer 24 as were a lot of other analysts. The tariffs were simply the excuse for blowing the froth off the market.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2025 04:07 PM (ctrM5)
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OT: I have been prescribed xdemvy eye drops ahead of my cataract surgery, there is a bit of back and forth between my insurance company and the Dr. because apparently xdemvy eye drops are $2k per 10ml.
I wonder how much big pharma charges EuroPeons for xdemvy?
I bet It's not a 2 grand.
I wonder how much big pharma charges EuroPeons for xdemvy?
I bet It's not a 2 grand.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 07, 2025 04:07 PM (XV/Pl)
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Checked my balance online. It is down. I might close it out this year.
Posted by: Don Black
I took a lot of money out of my 401K and put it in gold and silver IRA's in 2023. I knew this would all come to pass; inflation, gold prices soaring, and a big market correction. I just didn't know when it would happen.
Still waiting for silver to move. Hi! Ho! Silver!
Posted by: Don Black
I took a lot of money out of my 401K and put it in gold and silver IRA's in 2023. I knew this would all come to pass; inflation, gold prices soaring, and a big market correction. I just didn't know when it would happen.
Still waiting for silver to move. Hi! Ho! Silver!
Posted by: A face in the crowd.... at April 07, 2025 04:07 PM (vcOmj)
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How much of this market swoon is manipulation by the globalist billionaires and their minions?
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at April 07, 2025 04:07 PM (8iNlE)
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77 42 34 Where is this 4% drop? I see a .30% S&P500 drop and NASDAQ up slightly.
Ace!
Put the matches down. You don't have enough hair to burn anyway!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at April 07, 2025 03:59 PM (L5An7)
It was down 4% at open then shot up to +3% then back down to -3% up down all day. And closed flat-ish.
This is a good sign. Means the bottom has been found.
Ace!
Put the matches down. You don't have enough hair to burn anyway!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at April 07, 2025 03:59 PM (L5An7)
It was down 4% at open then shot up to +3% then back down to -3% up down all day. And closed flat-ish.
This is a good sign. Means the bottom has been found.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 07, 2025 04:07 PM (MmH/W)
Posted by: wth at April 07, 2025 04:07 PM (v0R5T)
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Cramer predicted 1920s wall street crash.
Given his track record, the stock market is going way up.
Given his track record, the stock market is going way up.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deporte at April 07, 2025 04:08 PM (0JWOm)
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This is not even that bad! If you look at the Dow from a year ago it's roughly equal. Hell this just shows you how much the Biden admin tried to pump his/kamalalals failed re-election. This was all just paper. Now the big guys are taking their gains. Right now anyone that hasn't panic sold is better than they were 18 months ago.
Posted by: mishdog at April 07, 2025 04:08 PM (2yUKc)
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Ursula is German, so her sexual tastes almost certainly involve one or more of the following
Rape
Poop
S&M
Rape
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I've dated many German women. None of them were into poop.
Rape
Poop
S&M
Rape
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I've dated many German women. None of them were into poop.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 07, 2025 04:08 PM (g8Ew8)
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What Ursula was really saying
"We've destroyed our energy sector, we're Putin's bitch for LNG, our Muslim invaders are raping and killing us , and we can't do anything about it because people will call us Nazis. Please don't stick a stake in the hurt of poor Germany "
"We've destroyed our energy sector, we're Putin's bitch for LNG, our Muslim invaders are raping and killing us , and we can't do anything about it because people will call us Nazis. Please don't stick a stake in the hurt of poor Germany "
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 07, 2025 04:08 PM (6TePA)
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Wall Street is panicking. Again? Is it really?
November 2020, a post on a 'Money' blog, Mr. Money Mustache -
I have been investing for over a decade. This is the first time the stock market has ever scared me. These valuations are insane. Companies that are losing money hand over fist have stock that is doubling. Just about everything is at all-time highs while economies are being destroyed and revenues are dried up. It makes absolutely no sense. I don't know what to do with my money anymore. Nothing makes sense anymore.
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It's a little formal to convey a proper amount of market panic, and coblogger replies were rational & supportive.
November 2020, a post on a 'Money' blog, Mr. Money Mustache -
I have been investing for over a decade. This is the first time the stock market has ever scared me. These valuations are insane. Companies that are losing money hand over fist have stock that is doubling. Just about everything is at all-time highs while economies are being destroyed and revenues are dried up. It makes absolutely no sense. I don't know what to do with my money anymore. Nothing makes sense anymore.
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It's a little formal to convey a proper amount of market panic, and coblogger replies were rational & supportive.
Posted by: L - No nic, adores both Musk and Miller. at April 07, 2025 04:08 PM (NFX2v)
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Kramer said it would be a black Monday so obviously we were going to have an up day
Why anyone even still listens to this simpy mewling little demented pico dick is beyond me
Why anyone even still listens to this simpy mewling little demented pico dick is beyond me
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 07, 2025 04:08 PM (HYKHz)
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96 Yep. Today is rather tame by comparison with very minor market moves.
Been expecting a market correction since summer 24 as were a lot of other analysts. The tariffs were simply the excuse for blowing the froth off the market.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2025 04:07 PM (ctrM5)
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My financial guy has been predicting a correction for 2 years.
Dolley came to me very pissy about the stock market moves. "Well, we're not selling at any point in the next 20 years, so who cares. Also, the market dropped 25% in 2022, and you didn't care. Also, our investment strategy on our IRAs has completely hedged the downturn to a loss of about 1% instead of 15%. Also, Jeremy has been predicting a downturn for 2 years. Did you believe him when he said that?"
Been expecting a market correction since summer 24 as were a lot of other analysts. The tariffs were simply the excuse for blowing the froth off the market.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2025 04:07 PM (ctrM5)
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My financial guy has been predicting a correction for 2 years.
Dolley came to me very pissy about the stock market moves. "Well, we're not selling at any point in the next 20 years, so who cares. Also, the market dropped 25% in 2022, and you didn't care. Also, our investment strategy on our IRAs has completely hedged the downturn to a loss of about 1% instead of 15%. Also, Jeremy has been predicting a downturn for 2 years. Did you believe him when he said that?"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:09 PM (GBKbO)
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first thing this morning I think "markets" were down 4% ... people checking their investments over the weekend wanted to lock in huge long term gains (maybe).
Posted by: illiniwek at April 07, 2025 04:09 PM (Cus5s)
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None of these foreign cockgobblers can negotiate from a place of strength. They will be negotiating from a point of fear and desperation.
As PDT told that little shit zeelensky: You Have No Cards.
The World "leaders" have no cards.
Time to Fold, lickspittles and whores.
None of these foreign cockgobblers can negotiate from a place of strength. They will be negotiating from a point of fear and desperation.
As PDT told that little shit zeelensky: You Have No Cards.
The World "leaders" have no cards.
Time to Fold, lickspittles and whores.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:09 PM (7D215)
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If we could go back in time and do what needed to be done to prevent the 2008 mortgage crisis - even if the equity markets took a hit because of it - we would certainly take the necessary actions.
Biden and Yellen left Trump with at least $9 trillion in short-term debt which is coming due this year. This is a looming catastrophe that, all by itself, could plunge us into recession. This is the big problem that Trump is trying to address immediately. If he can lower rates and extend that debt out with 50- or 100-year bonds at low rates, it helps us tremendously.
Besides, artificially low rates in the Biden era made it a no-brainer for investors to pay to take on increased risks. The S&P 500 is basically the Magnificent Seven tech stocks, and 493 average returners. This correction is a huge buying opportunity for those who missed the ride the first time around.
Biden and Yellen left Trump with at least $9 trillion in short-term debt which is coming due this year. This is a looming catastrophe that, all by itself, could plunge us into recession. This is the big problem that Trump is trying to address immediately. If he can lower rates and extend that debt out with 50- or 100-year bonds at low rates, it helps us tremendously.
Besides, artificially low rates in the Biden era made it a no-brainer for investors to pay to take on increased risks. The S&P 500 is basically the Magnificent Seven tech stocks, and 493 average returners. This correction is a huge buying opportunity for those who missed the ride the first time around.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 07, 2025 04:09 PM (nK8pW)
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We are powerful. Trump is the first president in a while who seems to understand that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:05 PM (GBKbO)
No. We have one vote at the United Nations, just like Zambia and Vanuatu.
As it should be.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:05 PM (GBKbO)
No. We have one vote at the United Nations, just like Zambia and Vanuatu.
As it should be.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...post-modernist at April 07, 2025 04:09 PM (L5An7)
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Bunch of doom-mongering, that's all. The media wants to create a panic. But the markerts are so automated, it ain't gonna work. If things go down, the algortihms snap up the bargains, and the stocks go back up.
ANd so it always shall be.
Posted by: zombie
Absolutely correct. Programmed Trading moves most big blocks of stock. People trading just couldn't keep up with the volume. And the algorithms for all the big trading programs see mostly the same thing.
ANd so it always shall be.
Posted by: zombie
Absolutely correct. Programmed Trading moves most big blocks of stock. People trading just couldn't keep up with the volume. And the algorithms for all the big trading programs see mostly the same thing.
Posted by: A face in the crowd.... at April 07, 2025 04:09 PM (vcOmj)
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Von Der Leyen is good looking for a woman her age. I'll bet she was a real vixen when she was younger.
would
she's a 1 still
and she was probably a smoke show on the beaches of southern europe...
Rrrrrowr
https://is.gd/OnemFB
would
she's a 1 still
and she was probably a smoke show on the beaches of southern europe...
Rrrrrowr
https://is.gd/OnemFB
Posted by: Archimedes at April 07, 2025 04:09 PM (xCA6C)
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I’d like to unearth Nixon just so I can kick him in the balls for starting this China gay love shit
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 07, 2025 04:06 PM (HYKHz)
Nah, that came later. Nixon just ditched the idiotic pose that Taiwan ruled China and Red China did not exist. Just like we used to pretend that the Baltic States were not in the USSR.
The real collapse came post fall of the USSR in the 1990s when we thought we were clear sailing and could just use China for a quick buck forever. Damn neocons.
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 07, 2025 04:06 PM (HYKHz)
Nah, that came later. Nixon just ditched the idiotic pose that Taiwan ruled China and Red China did not exist. Just like we used to pretend that the Baltic States were not in the USSR.
The real collapse came post fall of the USSR in the 1990s when we thought we were clear sailing and could just use China for a quick buck forever. Damn neocons.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:09 PM (n7h9X)
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112
No. We have one vote at the United Nations, just like Zambia and Vanuatu.
As it should be.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...post-modernist at April 07, 2025 04:09 PM (L5An7)
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Bring back the League of Nations!
No. We have one vote at the United Nations, just like Zambia and Vanuatu.
As it should be.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...post-modernist at April 07, 2025 04:09 PM (L5An7)
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Bring back the League of Nations!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (GBKbO)
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P/E ratios were always fucked.
Reality is the stock market has very little to do with the real world and everything to do with fund managers sucking each other off.
Reality is the stock market has very little to do with the real world and everything to do with fund managers sucking each other off.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (fFYnV)
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81 Liberals: we need to reshape the economy to help the working class and not just the super rich!
Trump: here’s my plan to reshape the economy to help the working class and not just the super rich.
Liberals: I’m so angryyyyyyyyyy! (Lights a Tesla on fire)
Posted by: Cray Cray at April 07, 2025 04:05 PM (amYJF)
Why do they hate people who get rich by doing something productive and love people who get rich by being in a position to confiscate the fruits of other people's work?
Trump: here’s my plan to reshape the economy to help the working class and not just the super rich.
Liberals: I’m so angryyyyyyyyyy! (Lights a Tesla on fire)
Posted by: Cray Cray at April 07, 2025 04:05 PM (amYJF)
Why do they hate people who get rich by doing something productive and love people who get rich by being in a position to confiscate the fruits of other people's work?
Posted by: Emmie at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (9b91n)
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And ditched ALL federal taxes and replaced with a national felt sales tax (imports or domestics). As it is right now all those taxes are a penalty on domestoc goods and services. That penalty of if it's a subsidy on imports is a distinction w/o difference.
... and our exports, not being sold retail domestically, will have no domestic federal tax.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
Can't do a sales tax without a constitutional amendment as it is a non apportioned direct tax.
I suppose you could apportion the federal liability to the states and require commensurate sale tax increases for the state to make their contributions.
That would be quite amusing but probably not good for the system.
I think selling off a large chunk of Uncle Sam's land and building assets not used and use that strictly to pay off debts might be the way to go to reduce strain on the system.
... and our exports, not being sold retail domestically, will have no domestic federal tax.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
Can't do a sales tax without a constitutional amendment as it is a non apportioned direct tax.
I suppose you could apportion the federal liability to the states and require commensurate sale tax increases for the state to make their contributions.
That would be quite amusing but probably not good for the system.
I think selling off a large chunk of Uncle Sam's land and building assets not used and use that strictly to pay off debts might be the way to go to reduce strain on the system.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (Wx316)
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Dread Butt Pirate Roberts goin' cra-cra
@amuse
LAWFARE: Presumably, Democrat District Court judges, wanted Trump to deploy Seal Team 6 to rescue the illegal MS-13 gang member, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, that was accidentally deported to El Salvador. Chief Justice Roberts has indefinitely blocked their order to return the terrorist to US soil.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 07, 2025 04:04 PM (mlg/3)
>>>The administration has conceded that Abrego Garcia should not have been sent to El Salvador because an immigration judge found he likely would face persecution by local gangs.
Why would he likely face persecution by local gangs, one might wonder. If only we had an organization or maybe two whose role would be to ferret out such responsive information and report such important details to the public.
Ooh, a squirrel.
@amuse
LAWFARE: Presumably, Democrat District Court judges, wanted Trump to deploy Seal Team 6 to rescue the illegal MS-13 gang member, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, that was accidentally deported to El Salvador. Chief Justice Roberts has indefinitely blocked their order to return the terrorist to US soil.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 07, 2025 04:04 PM (mlg/3)
>>>The administration has conceded that Abrego Garcia should not have been sent to El Salvador because an immigration judge found he likely would face persecution by local gangs.
Why would he likely face persecution by local gangs, one might wonder. If only we had an organization or maybe two whose role would be to ferret out such responsive information and report such important details to the public.
Ooh, a squirrel.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (i24o9)
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One idea which really amuses me: deflation. Consumer goods go down in price, No one gets any raises, but, they won't need the raise due to a decline in production costs.
Cheap energy will help tremendously.
Cheap energy will help tremendously.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (tT6L1)
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117 P/E ratios were always fucked.
Reality is the stock market has very little to do with the real world and everything to do with fund managers sucking each other off.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (fFYnV)
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The stock market is somewhere between gambling, investment, and speculation.
It's not fully one of the three, but it's definitely somewhat all of the three.
Reality is the stock market has very little to do with the real world and everything to do with fund managers sucking each other off.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (fFYnV)
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The stock market is somewhere between gambling, investment, and speculation.
It's not fully one of the three, but it's definitely somewhat all of the three.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (GBKbO)
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But Volcker raising the hell out of interest rates put a squeeze on a lot of things. But the economy grew thanks to Reagan's other policies and in 1984 Reagan won even bigger than in 1980. So I'm with Trump. Don't be weenies about a bit of stock market jitter. The market is due for some correction because the feds kept it propped up to disguise how bad the Barky and Biden economies were.
Posted by: PaleRider at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (CKOCg)
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Also, note that she will only talk about zero tariffs on industrial goods. They're going to continue keeping US agricultural goods out, forever, because they're full-on protectionist at our extent and always have been and always will be.
The EU also hates their own farmers and is trying to make them all quit. I think to the extent this is true that it's more about eating ze boogs than it is protectionism.
The EU also hates their own farmers and is trying to make them all quit. I think to the extent this is true that it's more about eating ze boogs than it is protectionism.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (2ocoG)
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I am going to miss my Italian Parmigiano-Reggiano..but I can do it!
Posted by: Monica at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (kfQcw)
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The markets will bounce back when they find out that we've got dire wolves now.
Posted by: Shoofly the Boxing Mule at April 07, 2025 04:04 PM (ufJfM)
It's a wolf market now, baby.
Posted by: Shoofly the Boxing Mule at April 07, 2025 04:04 PM (ufJfM)
It's a wolf market now, baby.
Posted by: DaisyB at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (AbL8c)
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Also, what;'s different about the stock market over the last 15 years, and especially now, is its extreme volitility -- it skyrockets, it plummets, sometimes not in a week, but within MINUTES. Then back up or back down again.
But ignore the jagged peaks and valley, and look at the overall trend. The overall trend is slowly Up, up up, and has been that way since 2009.
So even if the Dow tanks fior a day or two, eventually it will bob back up t the surface, like a styrofoam float. You just can't keep it away from sea level, no matter how hard you try to artificially sink it.
But ignore the jagged peaks and valley, and look at the overall trend. The overall trend is slowly Up, up up, and has been that way since 2009.
So even if the Dow tanks fior a day or two, eventually it will bob back up t the surface, like a styrofoam float. You just can't keep it away from sea level, no matter how hard you try to artificially sink it.
Posted by: zombie at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (pMi6S)
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I could tell you a story about Ursula, a glass coffee table and my schnauzer, but I'll just send you the video instead.
Posted by: Klaus Schwab at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (jwdCl)
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I was a buyer today, threw some money in.
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (NtVYv)
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I've seen it asserted that if you remove government spending from the GDP growth number, the US economy hasn't grown since...
2007.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:01 PM
This is a true statement. If you remove all federal and state defecit spending from the economy we have had ZERO real growth for over 15 years.
This is why all of that extra $$$$$ from covid and all of the other massive "emergency" spending are still in the baseline CR every year. Without all of that massive deficit funding the economy would take a nose dive.
Even if musk and Trump keep cutting the waste until all of those old emergency spending bills are turned off nothing will change. Heck we are still operating on emergency funding money from 9/11.
2007.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:01 PM
This is a true statement. If you remove all federal and state defecit spending from the economy we have had ZERO real growth for over 15 years.
This is why all of that extra $$$$$ from covid and all of the other massive "emergency" spending are still in the baseline CR every year. Without all of that massive deficit funding the economy would take a nose dive.
Even if musk and Trump keep cutting the waste until all of those old emergency spending bills are turned off nothing will change. Heck we are still operating on emergency funding money from 9/11.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (e5NfL)
Posted by: wth at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (v0R5T)
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Why do they hate people who get rich by doing something productive and love people who get rich by being in a position to confiscate the fruits of other people's work?
Posted by: Emmie at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (9b91n)
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It's the European way!
Posted by: Emmie at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (9b91n)
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It's the European way!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (tT6L1)
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117 P/E ratios were always fucked.
Reality is the stock market has very little to do with the real world and everything to do with fund managers sucking each other off.
Posted by: WitchDoktor
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Easy money from the Big Put caused markets to go crazy during the Clinton Admin (LTCM failure) along with destabilizing globo homo shit.
Reality is the stock market has very little to do with the real world and everything to do with fund managers sucking each other off.
Posted by: WitchDoktor
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Easy money from the Big Put caused markets to go crazy during the Clinton Admin (LTCM failure) along with destabilizing globo homo shit.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (ctrM5)
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Trump continues to win as more and more countries offer to reduce tariffs. Yet the same Soros monkeys and the Axis press continue to lie and spread misinformation. Where were these clowns while Biden was wasting hundreds of billions on "climate change?" Not one word from these morons about the waste and fraud, not a word.
Posted by: TJ Jackson at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (bXvrr)
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Didn't the EU go after Dutch farmers over nitrates and pretty much try to ruin farmers altogether - but the EUC wants to continue AG subsidies or tariffs etc.
Posted by: 13times at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (xsvEl)
Posted by: brak at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (jGJov)
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>>and she was probably a smoke show on the beaches of southern europe...
And she'd got you like a fish for $1.
I know Rule #1. Rule #2 is just as important. Don't stick it in a commie either.
And she'd got you like a fish for $1.
I know Rule #1. Rule #2 is just as important. Don't stick it in a commie either.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (LkLld)
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As I've noted, I've been investing in the market since the Dow was 2500 points, I'll start to get concerned if it dips below 30k.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (XV/Pl)
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All weekend the fake "investor" "influencer" Scumbags on Social Media were spreading the Hoax that "banks were making margin calls!" Sell Now!
All these cockdroolers were SHORTERS trying to aid & abet the fake "panic" started by the Fake News & Democrats.
All weekend the fake "investor" "influencer" Scumbags on Social Media were spreading the Hoax that "banks were making margin calls!" Sell Now!
All these cockdroolers were SHORTERS trying to aid & abet the fake "panic" started by the Fake News & Democrats.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (7D215)
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121 Why would he likely face persecution by local gangs, one might wonder. If only we had an organization or maybe two whose role would be to ferret out such responsive information and report such important details to the public.
Ooh, a squirrel.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (i24o9)
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The SG's office has admitted this as an error, but I don't think they should have.
He's in prison, so no gang issues unless the prisons are out of control (they're not). Also, outside the prisons, the gangs have been completely neutered and eliminated.
Ooh, a squirrel.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (i24o9)
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The SG's office has admitted this as an error, but I don't think they should have.
He's in prison, so no gang issues unless the prisons are out of control (they're not). Also, outside the prisons, the gangs have been completely neutered and eliminated.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (GBKbO)
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I've dated many German women
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I dated one once but her bratwurst grilling skills had me suspicious of whether she was really French instead
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I dated one once but her bratwurst grilling skills had me suspicious of whether she was really French instead
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 07, 2025 04:12 PM (HYKHz)
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On that note, china's stock market was down 16% this morning.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:01 PM (e5NfL)
Communist... Chinese... stock market...
Think on that for a minute.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:01 PM (e5NfL)
Communist... Chinese... stock market...
Think on that for a minute.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2025 04:12 PM (QAkQ3)
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122 One idea which really amuses me: deflation. Consumer goods go down in price, No one gets any raises, but, they won't need the raise due to a decline in production costs.
Cheap energy will help tremendously.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (tT6L1)
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Debt gets harder to deal with, which is the boogeyman of deflation.
A real concern, but...after 12% inflation, we probably need it anyway.
Cheap energy will help tremendously.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (tT6L1)
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Debt gets harder to deal with, which is the boogeyman of deflation.
A real concern, but...after 12% inflation, we probably need it anyway.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:12 PM (GBKbO)
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I've dated many German women. None of them were into poop.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons
There is a young German woman who works for our company. A really sweet kid (in her 20's). I can't imagine her being into weird sex.
Just the way Europeans see the US (via TV shows and movies), you can't believe the exaggerations of behavior are the norm.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons
There is a young German woman who works for our company. A really sweet kid (in her 20's). I can't imagine her being into weird sex.
Just the way Europeans see the US (via TV shows and movies), you can't believe the exaggerations of behavior are the norm.
Posted by: A face in the crowd.... at April 07, 2025 04:13 PM (vcOmj)
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I think Usala also included pharmaceutical or cars in addition to food
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at April 07, 2025 04:13 PM (FxH7T)
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Why do they hate people who get rich by doing something productive and love people who get rich by being in a position to confiscate the fruits of other people's work?
Posted by: Emmie
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Same reason that Cotton planters in the South did not want to pick their own damn cotton and factory owners in the North wanted hordes of immigrants so they did not have to pay natives more.
Posted by: Emmie
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Same reason that Cotton planters in the South did not want to pick their own damn cotton and factory owners in the North wanted hordes of immigrants so they did not have to pay natives more.
Posted by: whig at April 07, 2025 04:13 PM (ctrM5)
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Ursula is German, so her sexual tastes almost certainly involve one or more of the following
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 07, 2025 04:08 PM (g8Ew
She's a globalist, she cares nothing for Germany or Germans.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 07, 2025 04:08 PM (g8Ew
She's a globalist, she cares nothing for Germany or Germans.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:13 PM (n7h9X)
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66 10 year yields have plummeted. Which means cheaper mortgages. This is something much more meaningful to average Americans than stock market values.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 07, 2025 04:03 PM (MmH/W)
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Depends on the American you talk to. Younger Americans, couples, looking for their first house? Yes. Older Americans who unlike their parents don't have a pension and have had to fund their own retirement in the stock market? No.
You want to right the wrong of the globalization? Great. But realize their will be winners and losers no matter what you do. But don't tell the losers they aren't losing.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 07, 2025 04:03 PM (MmH/W)
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Depends on the American you talk to. Younger Americans, couples, looking for their first house? Yes. Older Americans who unlike their parents don't have a pension and have had to fund their own retirement in the stock market? No.
You want to right the wrong of the globalization? Great. But realize their will be winners and losers no matter what you do. But don't tell the losers they aren't losing.
Posted by: Diabeetus at April 07, 2025 04:13 PM (ASvvW)
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I do worry about the short- to medium-term disruptions of the tariffs and the not-small possibility that they can tip the weak economy into recession.
But I was assured Joe had the economy booming, and no president could change the economy in just a few months. Does. Not. Compute.
But I was assured Joe had the economy booming, and no president could change the economy in just a few months. Does. Not. Compute.
Posted by: Rabid Liberal NPC in desperate needs of an update patch at April 07, 2025 04:13 PM (JCZqz)
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Bitcoin is up like 3% today, with a spike near 6%.
It fell hard yesterday on the FUD, like over 10%.
It might dip back to $72k but, from here, it's going to $150k.
Thanks for the sale prices, world!
It fell hard yesterday on the FUD, like over 10%.
It might dip back to $72k but, from here, it's going to $150k.
Thanks for the sale prices, world!
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 07, 2025 04:13 PM (xFA3k)
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On that note, china's stock market was down 16% this morning.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:01 PM (e5NfL)
Communist... Chinese... stock market...
Think on that for a minute.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2025 04:12 PM (QAkQ3)
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Their market sells only shares of the same company.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:01 PM (e5NfL)
Communist... Chinese... stock market...
Think on that for a minute.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2025 04:12 PM (QAkQ3)
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Their market sells only shares of the same company.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 04:13 PM (fFYnV)
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We are powerful. Trump is the first president in a while who seems to understand that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:05 PM (GBKbO)
No. We have one vote at the United Nations, just like Zambia and Vanuatu.
As it should be.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...post-modernist at April 07, 2025 04:09 PM (L5An7)
That made me laugh.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:05 PM (GBKbO)
No. We have one vote at the United Nations, just like Zambia and Vanuatu.
As it should be.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...post-modernist at April 07, 2025 04:09 PM (L5An7)
That made me laugh.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 07, 2025 04:13 PM (g8Ew8)
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I've given up stabbing for Lent
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (Wx316)
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That's Nice.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (Wx316)
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That's Nice.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 07, 2025 04:13 PM (RIvkX)
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131 Even if musk and Trump keep cutting the waste until all of those old emergency spending bills are turned off nothing will change. Heck we are still operating on emergency funding money from 9/11.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (e5NfL)
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The budget resolution passed a month or so ago was the first step in getting a real budget passed.
Congress has done almost nothing since because they've been negotiating the actual budget for weeks.
We might get our first real budget in decades.
It'll be terrible and spend way too much, but it'll be a step in the right direction.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (e5NfL)
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The budget resolution passed a month or so ago was the first step in getting a real budget passed.
Congress has done almost nothing since because they've been negotiating the actual budget for weeks.
We might get our first real budget in decades.
It'll be terrible and spend way too much, but it'll be a step in the right direction.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:14 PM (GBKbO)
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"It was down 4% at open then shot up to +3% then back down to -3% up down all day. And closed flat-ish.
This is a good sign. Means the bottom has been found."
could be, but bear market rallies tend to be sharp like this. (if this is now a bear market, idk)
This is a good sign. Means the bottom has been found."
could be, but bear market rallies tend to be sharp like this. (if this is now a bear market, idk)
Posted by: illiniwek at April 07, 2025 04:14 PM (Cus5s)
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76 The markets will bounce back when they find out that we've got dire wolves now.
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We have the portal working now?
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We have the portal working now?
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 07, 2025 04:14 PM (pZ64F)
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You'd better not let Old Lady Squeezins see you here!
Posted by: ... at April 07, 2025 04:14 PM (E0p3T)
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I've dated many German women. None of them were into poop.
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Well, are you going to share? I did. What were they into??
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Well, are you going to share? I did. What were they into??
Posted by: Klaus Schwab at April 07, 2025 04:14 PM (jwdCl)
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You don’t want deflation. It’s no bueno. If people think prices will be cheaper tomorrow vs today they won’t produce anything today to sell tomorrow. Crashes economies real quick like.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 07, 2025 04:14 PM (MmH/W)
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Can't do a sales tax without a constitutional amendment as it is a non apportioned direct tax.
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Moreover, I would adamantly oppose any form of VAT/sales tax, UNLESS the 16th were repealed.
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Moreover, I would adamantly oppose any form of VAT/sales tax, UNLESS the 16th were repealed.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 07, 2025 04:14 PM (XeU6L)
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7Does a woman like that have sex with men, or no?
Is she a freak between the sheets?
Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller
"Yu haf a choice, ya? In das squeeker or in das piehole?"
Is she a freak between the sheets?
Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller
"Yu haf a choice, ya? In das squeeker or in das piehole?"
Posted by: Auspex at April 07, 2025 04:14 PM (j4U/Z)
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Didn't the EU go after Dutch farmers over nitrates and pretty much try to ruin farmers altogether - but the EUC wants to continue AG subsidies or tariffs etc.
Posted by: 13times at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (xsvEl)
They want to turn out the farmers to build Condos for the occupants of the grand Empires staffers.
Posted by: 13times at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (xsvEl)
They want to turn out the farmers to build Condos for the occupants of the grand Empires staffers.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:15 PM (n7h9X)
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Even the Rare Earth shortage is just because of our own environmental regulations... we shut down the most productive rare earth mine there was... and ensured that a much less Environmentally friendly country did the mining.
Posted by: Romeo13
The solution to pollution is give it to somebody else.
Posted by: Romeo13
The solution to pollution is give it to somebody else.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 07, 2025 04:15 PM (/lPRQ)
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I've given up stabbing for Lent
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (Wx316)
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I fear some things are evergreen
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (Wx316)
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I fear some things are evergreen
Posted by: ... at April 07, 2025 04:15 PM (E0p3T)
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what;'s different about the stock market over the last 15 years, and especially now, is its extreme volitility
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It’s the trading bots that trade based on algorithms and sentiment analysis
Nobody who trades manually has a chance to digest and decide if new policies are bad or good, it’s just all instant bot trading that can send markets into pandemonium
This shit needs to be outlawed
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It’s the trading bots that trade based on algorithms and sentiment analysis
Nobody who trades manually has a chance to digest and decide if new policies are bad or good, it’s just all instant bot trading that can send markets into pandemonium
This shit needs to be outlawed
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 07, 2025 04:15 PM (HYKHz)
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You don’t want deflation. It’s no bueno. If people think prices will be cheaper tomorrow vs today they won’t produce anything today to sell tomorrow. Crashes economies real quick like.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 07, 2025 04:14 PM (MmH/W)
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Prices do tend to be sticky.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 07, 2025 04:14 PM (MmH/W)
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Prices do tend to be sticky.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 04:15 PM (fFYnV)
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142 I've dated many German women
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I dated one once but her bratwurstgrilling skills had me suspicious of whether she was really French instead
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger
Your story took a sad turn. You need to try a woman with a bratwurst to feel like a REAL man.
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I dated one once but her bratwurst
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger
Your story took a sad turn. You need to try a woman with a bratwurst to feel like a REAL man.
Posted by: Dylan Mulvaney at April 07, 2025 04:15 PM (JCZqz)
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I'm a financial troglodyte, but if the market can fluctuate wildly in a matter of minutes based on a tweet, or rumor or whatever, is this really a stable indicator to use to gauge the economy?
Posted by: DaisyB at April 07, 2025 04:15 PM (AbL8c)
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Communist... Chinese... stock market...
Think on that for a minute.
Posted by: Romeo13
Somebody I was listening to last week talked about the Chinese stock market. They listed their economic growth (GDP) of the country (500% since 200, balance of payments being positive, etc.
And they said if you had invested in an index fund in the Chinese stock market in 2008, you would have lost 2/3rds of your investment, as of this year.
It's kind of all crooked.
Think on that for a minute.
Posted by: Romeo13
Somebody I was listening to last week talked about the Chinese stock market. They listed their economic growth (GDP) of the country (500% since 200
, balance of payments being positive, etc.
And they said if you had invested in an index fund in the Chinese stock market in 2008, you would have lost 2/3rds of your investment, as of this year.
It's kind of all crooked.
Posted by: A face in the crowd.... at April 07, 2025 04:15 PM (vcOmj)
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Debt gets harder to deal with, which is the boogeyman of deflation.
A real concern, but...after 12% inflation, we probably need it anyway.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:12 PM (GBKbO)
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I dunno, for the average person, there debt costs are usually fixed, mortgage and car payments. If they're spending $150/mo less for stuff to keep the household running, isn't that a win?
A real concern, but...after 12% inflation, we probably need it anyway.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:12 PM (GBKbO)
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I dunno, for the average person, there debt costs are usually fixed, mortgage and car payments. If they're spending $150/mo less for stuff to keep the household running, isn't that a win?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2025 04:15 PM (tT6L1)
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> Communist... Chinese... stock market...
Think on that for a minute.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2025 04:12 PM (QAkQ3)
While we're on the subject of things that would cause Karl Marx to throw a clot, what do you think he'd make of North Korea being a de facto hereditary monarchy?
I must've missed that part of the Communist Manifesto.
Think on that for a minute.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2025 04:12 PM (QAkQ3)
While we're on the subject of things that would cause Karl Marx to throw a clot, what do you think he'd make of North Korea being a de facto hereditary monarchy?
I must've missed that part of the Communist Manifesto.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 07, 2025 04:16 PM (W5ArC)
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>>>I do worry about the short- to medium-term disruptions of the tariffs and the not-small possibility that they can tip the weak economy into recession.
The numbers are fake and gay anyways. How much of our growth since COVID (or go back farther if you want) is from government spending and foreigners parking their excess US dollars in American equities?
In other words, not real growth to begin with.
But even if it took a great depression to unfuck our financial system, I'd say that was worth it.
The alternative is to be strung along until everything crashes and we get nothing out of it. Except maybe the New Americans will leave if we're all broke.
The numbers are fake and gay anyways. How much of our growth since COVID (or go back farther if you want) is from government spending and foreigners parking their excess US dollars in American equities?
In other words, not real growth to begin with.
But even if it took a great depression to unfuck our financial system, I'd say that was worth it.
The alternative is to be strung along until everything crashes and we get nothing out of it. Except maybe the New Americans will leave if we're all broke.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 07, 2025 04:16 PM (uCjyK)
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160 You don’t want deflation. It’s no bueno. If people think prices will be cheaper tomorrow vs today they won’t produce anything today to sell tomorrow. Crashes economies real quick like.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 07, 2025 04:14 PM (MmH/W)
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Or buy things today if they think it will be cheaper tomorrow.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 07, 2025 04:14 PM (MmH/W)
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Or buy things today if they think it will be cheaper tomorrow.
Posted by: Diabeetus at April 07, 2025 04:16 PM (ASvvW)
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Why would he likely face persecution by local gangs, one might wonder. If only we had an organization or maybe two whose role would be to ferret out such responsive information and report such important details to the public.
Ooh, a squirrel.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (i24o9)
The DOJ Lawyer, and his supervisor, were both fired today for their inept conduct in this case. They did not even TRY to win the case for the Government.
Ooh, a squirrel.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (i24o9)
The DOJ Lawyer, and his supervisor, were both fired today for their inept conduct in this case. They did not even TRY to win the case for the Government.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2025 04:16 PM (QAkQ3)
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@155
>>We might get our first real budget in decades.
Doubtful, if they were really negotiating a genuine budget, we would be hearing about it, what they are doing is negotiating smaller more numerous CR's.
I don't think we can functionally pass a real budget any longer.
>>We might get our first real budget in decades.
Doubtful, if they were really negotiating a genuine budget, we would be hearing about it, what they are doing is negotiating smaller more numerous CR's.
I don't think we can functionally pass a real budget any longer.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 07, 2025 04:16 PM (XV/Pl)
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could be, but bear market rallies tend to be sharp like this. (if this is now a bear market, idk)
Posted by: illiniwek at April 07, 2025 04:14 PM (Cus5s)
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I dont see today as a rally though. More like an end to the madness. Technically not in bear territory right now either. Close but not quite.
Posted by: illiniwek at April 07, 2025 04:14 PM (Cus5s)
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I dont see today as a rally though. More like an end to the madness. Technically not in bear territory right now either. Close but not quite.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 07, 2025 04:16 PM (MmH/W)
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The SG's office has admitted this as an error, but I don't think they should have.
He's in prison, so no gang issues unless the prisons are out of control (they're not). Also, outside the prisons, the gangs have been completely neutered and eliminated.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (GBKbO)
He's in the El Salvador mass prison, as I understand. So, very real threat, if he is MS-13. Otherwise, yeah, they did make a mistake, and there is no denying that, with the lesser option being that they knowingly acted against the court's order.
He's in prison, so no gang issues unless the prisons are out of control (they're not). Also, outside the prisons, the gangs have been completely neutered and eliminated.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (GBKbO)
He's in the El Salvador mass prison, as I understand. So, very real threat, if he is MS-13. Otherwise, yeah, they did make a mistake, and there is no denying that, with the lesser option being that they knowingly acted against the court's order.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:16 PM (i24o9)
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Same reason that Cotton planters in the South did not want to pick their own damn cotton and factory owners in the North wanted hordes of immigrants so they did not have to pay natives more.
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You think?
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You think?
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 07, 2025 04:16 PM (pZ64F)
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No. We have one vote at the United Nations, just like Zambia and Vanuatu.
As it should be.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...post-modernist at April 07, 2025 04:09 PM (L5An7)
You realize this whole Ukraine War is because Stalin wanted three votes in the UN instead of one?
As it should be.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...post-modernist at April 07, 2025 04:09 PM (L5An7)
You realize this whole Ukraine War is because Stalin wanted three votes in the UN instead of one?
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:16 PM (n7h9X)
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The DOJ Lawyer, and his supervisor, were both fired today for their inept conduct in this case. They did not even TRY to win the case for the Government.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2025 04:16 PM (QAkQ3)
See? Now THAT is news I might pay to read.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2025 04:16 PM (QAkQ3)
See? Now THAT is news I might pay to read.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:17 PM (i24o9)
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Ursula is German, so her sexual tastes almost certainly involve one or more of the following
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 07, 2025 04:08 PM (g8Ew
She's a globalist, she cares nothing for Germany or Germans.
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She was very fond of my schnauzer. Broke the coffee table and never paid for it, however.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 07, 2025 04:08 PM (g8Ew
She's a globalist, she cares nothing for Germany or Germans.
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She was very fond of my schnauzer. Broke the coffee table and never paid for it, however.
Posted by: Klaus Schwab at April 07, 2025 04:17 PM (jwdCl)
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171 I dunno, for the average person, there debt costs are usually fixed, mortgage and car payments. If they're spending $150/mo less for stuff to keep the household running, isn't that a win?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2025 04:15 PM (tT6L1)
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It's not the average guy. It's institutional investors. It makes the idea of investment hard to buy into.
It won't stop investment, but it'll be a millstone on it. This can lead to a lot of layoffs, for instance.
However, mixed with a net outflow of immigration, including a bunch of voluntary flight from people with jobs, it'll be painful but hopefully quickly lived through. Assuming it happens at all.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2025 04:15 PM (tT6L1)
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It's not the average guy. It's institutional investors. It makes the idea of investment hard to buy into.
It won't stop investment, but it'll be a millstone on it. This can lead to a lot of layoffs, for instance.
However, mixed with a net outflow of immigration, including a bunch of voluntary flight from people with jobs, it'll be painful but hopefully quickly lived through. Assuming it happens at all.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:17 PM (GBKbO)
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I'm a financial troglodyte, but if the market can fluctuate wildly in a matter of minutes based on a tweet, or rumor or whatever, is this really a stable indicator to use to gauge the economy?
Posted by: DaisyB at April 07, 2025 04:15 PM
Nope and the sooner everyone figures that out and quits panicking when some idiot on TV makes a ridiculous statement not based on facts the better off my 401K will be.
The DOW has not been tied to reality in over two decades.
Posted by: DaisyB at April 07, 2025 04:15 PM
Nope and the sooner everyone figures that out and quits panicking when some idiot on TV makes a ridiculous statement not based on facts the better off my 401K will be.
The DOW has not been tied to reality in over two decades.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:17 PM (e5NfL)
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The market dropped twenty percent in 2022, and nobody made a big deal out of it.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 07, 2025 04:17 PM (lTGtQ)
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Time to scheiße, or get off ze crapper.
Posted by: brak at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (jGJov)
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I believe that should be scheißen
Posted by: brak at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (jGJov)
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I believe that should be scheißen
Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 07, 2025 04:17 PM (RIvkX)
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It fell hard yesterday on the FUD, like over 10%.
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Market makers had an opportunity to fuck over everyone due to the weekend low liquidity when it’s easier to manipulate
That left a cme gap of $84,000 that hopefully gets filled quickly
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Market makers had an opportunity to fuck over everyone due to the weekend low liquidity when it’s easier to manipulate
That left a cme gap of $84,000 that hopefully gets filled quickly
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 07, 2025 04:17 PM (HYKHz)
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Cheap energy will help tremendously.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (tT6L1)
West Texas crude is at $61/barrel. Down sharply since the drooling retard crook!
That is a nice economic boost for America.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2025 04:10 PM (tT6L1)
West Texas crude is at $61/barrel. Down sharply since the drooling retard crook!
That is a nice economic boost for America.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at April 07, 2025 04:18 PM (L5An7)
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The Administration is more concerned with the 10-year Treasury yield than it is with the stock market.
Posted by: mrp at April 07, 2025 04:18 PM (rj6Yv)
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Wow did not see this coming:
"Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts indefinitely blocked a court order requiring the return of alleged MS-13 gang member Kilmar Abrego Garcia by midnight tonight."
"Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts indefinitely blocked a court order requiring the return of alleged MS-13 gang member Kilmar Abrego Garcia by midnight tonight."
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:18 PM (e5NfL)
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176 Doubtful, if they were really negotiating a genuine budget, we would be hearing about it, what they are doing is negotiating smaller more numerous CR's.
I don't think we can functionally pass a real budget any longer.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 07, 2025 04:16 PM (XV/Pl)
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They are working on it.
https://is.gd/0gh9y2
"After an hours-long delay and a last-minute rallying of the troops, Senate Republicans took the first step Thursday evening to advance a new budget blueprint that would unlock the “one big, beautiful bill” envisioned by President Donald Trump."
The "I haven't heard of it" defense is almost always terrible.
I don't think we can functionally pass a real budget any longer.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 07, 2025 04:16 PM (XV/Pl)
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They are working on it.
https://is.gd/0gh9y2
"After an hours-long delay and a last-minute rallying of the troops, Senate Republicans took the first step Thursday evening to advance a new budget blueprint that would unlock the “one big, beautiful bill” envisioned by President Donald Trump."
The "I haven't heard of it" defense is almost always terrible.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:18 PM (GBKbO)
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178 He's in the El Salvador mass prison, as I understand. So, very real threat, if he is MS-13. Otherwise, yeah, they did make a mistake, and there is no denying that, with the lesser option being that they knowingly acted against the court's order.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:16 PM (i24o9)
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Considering how those prisons are run...nah, I don't think it's an issue.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:16 PM (i24o9)
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Considering how those prisons are run...nah, I don't think it's an issue.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:19 PM (GBKbO)
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Moreover, I would adamantly oppose any form of VAT/sales tax, UNLESS the 16th were repealed.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 07, 2025 04:14 PM (XeU6L)
No hidden taxes. Withholding should be banned, let them have to cut a check to Uncle Sam every month.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 07, 2025 04:14 PM (XeU6L)
No hidden taxes. Withholding should be banned, let them have to cut a check to Uncle Sam every month.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:19 PM (n7h9X)
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Nobody who trades manually has a chance to digest and decide if new policies are bad or good, it’s just all instant bot trading that can send markets into pandemonium
This shit needs to be outlawed
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 07, 2025 04:15 PM (HYKHz)
I also want to know how much foreign money is invested in the US stock market.
Because they are out of Jurisdiction as far as laws like Insider trading, or price fixing, are concerned (as shown by the very existence of OPEC).
This shit needs to be outlawed
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 07, 2025 04:15 PM (HYKHz)
I also want to know how much foreign money is invested in the US stock market.
Because they are out of Jurisdiction as far as laws like Insider trading, or price fixing, are concerned (as shown by the very existence of OPEC).
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2025 04:19 PM (QAkQ3)
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The problems is Trump's view of tariffs. Actual reciporocal tariffs would work, whether that's zero percent or 30%. Trump said that's what he was going to do, but it's not what he did.
He based it on a trade deficit. He always says that a trade deficit is another country ripping us off. It's not. Supposed we get gold from Angola and we get $10B a year. Angola isn't going to buy $10B of anything from us, they don't have the money. If they buy $1B, there is a $9B "deficit." But they have $10B of our cash and we have $10B of gold. That's not (by itself) a bad thing.
Other barries to entry (or outright prohibitions) could make it a bad thing. But Trump's misunderstanding that a trade deficit alone means the other country ripping us off is what has a lot of us spooked, even while we support tariffs as an appropriate tool. Especially when used to protect key industries and as a reciprocal "level the playing field" tool.
He based it on a trade deficit. He always says that a trade deficit is another country ripping us off. It's not. Supposed we get gold from Angola and we get $10B a year. Angola isn't going to buy $10B of anything from us, they don't have the money. If they buy $1B, there is a $9B "deficit." But they have $10B of our cash and we have $10B of gold. That's not (by itself) a bad thing.
Other barries to entry (or outright prohibitions) could make it a bad thing. But Trump's misunderstanding that a trade deficit alone means the other country ripping us off is what has a lot of us spooked, even while we support tariffs as an appropriate tool. Especially when used to protect key industries and as a reciprocal "level the playing field" tool.
Posted by: Duke at April 07, 2025 04:19 PM (jIKBx)
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The solution to pollution is give it to somebody else.
Marxists lack the ability to understand second and third order effects, and also object permanence. They think if they can't see something happening, it's not happening.
Marxists lack the ability to understand second and third order effects, and also object permanence. They think if they can't see something happening, it's not happening.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 07, 2025 04:20 PM (2ocoG)
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189 The Administration is more concerned with the 10-year Treasury yield than it is with the stock market.
Posted by: mrp at April 07, 2025 04:18 PM (rj6Yv)
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Well, probably the 1-2 year bond yields since that's how most of the debt is financed.
Posted by: mrp at April 07, 2025 04:18 PM (rj6Yv)
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Well, probably the 1-2 year bond yields since that's how most of the debt is financed.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:20 PM (GBKbO)
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The DOW has not been tied to reality in over two decades.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:17 PM (e5NfL)
Anybody who watches the Dow30 instead of the S&P500 and the Russell 2000 is a fucking retard.
It's 30 stocks. It simply isn't statistically relevant.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:17 PM (e5NfL)
Anybody who watches the Dow30 instead of the S&P500 and the Russell 2000 is a fucking retard.
It's 30 stocks. It simply isn't statistically relevant.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at April 07, 2025 04:20 PM (L5An7)
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Does a woman like that have sex with men, or no?
Is she a freak between the sheets?
Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller
"Yu haf a choice, ya? In das squeeker or in das piehole?"
Posted by: Auspex
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I'm betting she has one of those sawsall/dildo thingies.
Is she a freak between the sheets?
Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller
"Yu haf a choice, ya? In das squeeker or in das piehole?"
Posted by: Auspex
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I'm betting she has one of those sawsall/dildo thingies.
Posted by: wth at April 07, 2025 04:20 PM (v0R5T)
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The market dropped twenty percent in 2022, and nobody made a big deal out of it.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
Ah, you're a lying pony - faced dog soldier.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
Ah, you're a lying pony - faced dog soldier.
Posted by: Joe Biden, where am I now? at April 07, 2025 04:20 PM (vcOmj)
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> "Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts indefinitely blocked a court order requiring the return of alleged MS-13 gang member Kilmar Abrego Garcia by midnight tonight."
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:18 PM (e5NfL)
Whenever I hear of Roberts apparently doing the right thing, I make doubly sure to count my change.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:18 PM (e5NfL)
Whenever I hear of Roberts apparently doing the right thing, I make doubly sure to count my change.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 07, 2025 04:20 PM (W5ArC)
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But even if it took a great depression to unfuck our financial system, I'd say that was worth it.
But Harry - you've forgotten the first rule of Ruling Class Economics. Which is to do whatever it takes to keep the party going long enough for the ruling class to die naturally. At which point it can all crash and they don't give a damn.
But Harry - you've forgotten the first rule of Ruling Class Economics. Which is to do whatever it takes to keep the party going long enough for the ruling class to die naturally. At which point it can all crash and they don't give a damn.
Posted by: Talking Notes at April 07, 2025 04:20 PM (Sb7UZ)
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Trump appeared with the LA Dodgers today and refused to introduce the two CA Senators in attendance. Pretty funny:
https://tinyurl.com/ye4va43c
https://tinyurl.com/ye4va43c
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at April 07, 2025 04:20 PM (paSBy)
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190 Wow did not see this coming:
"Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts indefinitely blocked a court order requiring the return of alleged MS-13 gang member Kilmar Abrego Garcia by midnight tonight."
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:18 PM (e5NfL)
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Roberts has the choice of retaining Marbury v Madison for SCOTUS or losing it completely.
He understands this.
Because Marbury v Madison is not going to survive Trump's term for lower district judges.
"Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts indefinitely blocked a court order requiring the return of alleged MS-13 gang member Kilmar Abrego Garcia by midnight tonight."
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:18 PM (e5NfL)
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Roberts has the choice of retaining Marbury v Madison for SCOTUS or losing it completely.
He understands this.
Because Marbury v Madison is not going to survive Trump's term for lower district judges.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:20 PM (GBKbO)
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The Aksually statement...
Income taxes can still exist without the 16A. All the 16A does is remove an apportionment requirement. Income taxes themselves are part of the general taxing power of Congress.
Income taxes can still exist without the 16A. All the 16A does is remove an apportionment requirement. Income taxes themselves are part of the general taxing power of Congress.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 04:21 PM (fFYnV)
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At least there won't be a tariff on Peugeots!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2025 04:21 PM (a3Q+t)
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Whenever I hear of Roberts apparently doing the right thing, I make doubly sure to count my change.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 07, 2025 04:20 PM (W5ArC)
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Hah, caught you looking the wrong way. I got your silver!
Whenever I hear of Roberts apparently doing the right thing, I make doubly sure to count my change.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at April 07, 2025 04:20 PM (W5ArC)
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Hah, caught you looking the wrong way. I got your silver!
Posted by: J Roberts Esq SCOTUS at April 07, 2025 04:21 PM (tT6L1)
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The market dropped twenty percent in 2022, and nobody made a big deal out of it.
CNN and PMSNBC didn't report on it, so it didn't happen.
CNN and PMSNBC didn't report on it, so it didn't happen.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 07, 2025 04:21 PM (2ocoG)
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"Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts indefinitely blocked a court order requiring the return of alleged MS-13 gang member Kilmar Abrego Garcia by midnight tonight."
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:18 PM (e5NfL)
Dear Chiefy Roberts; Logan Act... read it... live it.... love it...
Cordially, but not Respectfully;
D. J. Trump
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:18 PM (e5NfL)
Dear Chiefy Roberts; Logan Act... read it... live it.... love it...
Cordially, but not Respectfully;
D. J. Trump
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2025 04:21 PM (QAkQ3)
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... all underwritten by a deal with the most vicious totalitarian regime of modern times. That's why Trump called it Liberation Day.
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"We don't feel liberated."
-- Treasonous Deep State Oligarchic GloboHomo Scum Residing in Xi's Rectum
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"We don't feel liberated."
-- Treasonous Deep State Oligarchic GloboHomo Scum Residing in Xi's Rectum
Posted by: ShainS -- If Elon Bought Planned Parenthood, The Left Would Hate Abortion at April 07, 2025 04:22 PM (rCC/v)
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West Texas crude is at $61/barrel. Down sharply since the drooling retard crook!
That is a nice economic boost for America.
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Yep. And American oil can set the world price if we want to.
That is a nice economic boost for America.
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Yep. And American oil can set the world price if we want to.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 07, 2025 04:22 PM (pZ64F)
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@191
>>Thursday evening to advance a new budget blueprint that would unlock the “one big, beautiful bill” envisioned by President Donald Trump."
What is even a one big beautiful bill mean? Sounds like Omnibus/Cromibus
And they are going to "start" on something they are calling a blueprint.
If the blueprint's preamble doesn't contain the phrase, "This budget only spends what has been collected in revenues, then It's just smoke and mirrors.
If they pass an actual budget, I'll eat my shoe.
>>Thursday evening to advance a new budget blueprint that would unlock the “one big, beautiful bill” envisioned by President Donald Trump."
What is even a one big beautiful bill mean? Sounds like Omnibus/Cromibus
And they are going to "start" on something they are calling a blueprint.
If the blueprint's preamble doesn't contain the phrase, "This budget only spends what has been collected in revenues, then It's just smoke and mirrors.
If they pass an actual budget, I'll eat my shoe.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 07, 2025 04:22 PM (XV/Pl)
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We also, Officially, went into a Recession in 2022 and the Fake News told us it wasn't a recession.
We also, Officially, went into a Recession in 2022 and the Fake News told us it wasn't a recession.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:23 PM (7D215)
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Considering how those prisons are run...nah, I don't think it's an issue.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:19 PM (GBKbO)
Kind of an aside, but I was talking to someone about how poorly schools are run. She related that the kids take their vapes - including any marijuana cartridges - into the bathrooms to vape at school. She says that they hide above the ceiling tiles in the drop ceiling.
The only thought I had was, "sounds like prison."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:19 PM (GBKbO)
Kind of an aside, but I was talking to someone about how poorly schools are run. She related that the kids take their vapes - including any marijuana cartridges - into the bathrooms to vape at school. She says that they hide above the ceiling tiles in the drop ceiling.
The only thought I had was, "sounds like prison."
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:23 PM (i24o9)
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Trump continues to win as more and more countries offer to reduce tariffs. Yet the same Soros monkeys and the Axis press continue to lie and spread misinformation. Where were these clowns while Biden was wasting hundreds of billions on "climate change?" Not one word from these morons about the waste and fraud, not a word.
Posted by: TJ Jackson at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (bXvrr)
They loved it, because that was the new religion they were going to use to run things forever through USAID and other funds diverted from countries. And most of it from the US of course.
Posted by: TJ Jackson at April 07, 2025 04:11 PM (bXvrr)
They loved it, because that was the new religion they were going to use to run things forever through USAID and other funds diverted from countries. And most of it from the US of course.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:23 PM (n7h9X)
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No one is ripping someone off with tariffs except the governments who use them. If you're getting ripped off Ace, it's by our government not someone elses.
Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at April 07, 2025 04:23 PM (P7Iz+)
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I'll say it, so Ace doesn't have to:
Snow White has suffered a significant decline, and is now very unlikely to generate $100 million in U.S. boxoffice. Sad!
Snow White has suffered a significant decline, and is now very unlikely to generate $100 million in U.S. boxoffice. Sad!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2025 04:23 PM (a3Q+t)
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Von Der Leyen is good looking for a woman her age. I'll bet she was a real vixen when she was younger.
would
she's a 1 still
and she was probably a smoke show on the beaches of southern europe...
Rrrrrowr
https://is.gd/OnemFB
Posted by: Archimedes at April 07, 2025 04:09 PM (xCA6C)
yeah, there's a good chance i could have run into her in Mallorca, and would have...
would
she's a 1 still
and she was probably a smoke show on the beaches of southern europe...
Rrrrrowr
https://is.gd/OnemFB
Posted by: Archimedes at April 07, 2025 04:09 PM (xCA6C)
yeah, there's a good chance i could have run into her in Mallorca, and would have...
Posted by: Sturmtoddler at April 07, 2025 04:24 PM (v6XNT)
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Kind of an aside, but I was talking to someone about how poorly schools are run. She related that the kids take their vapes - including any marijuana cartridges - into the bathrooms to vape at school. She says that they hide above the ceiling tiles in the drop ceiling.
The only thought I had was, "sounds like prison."
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:23 PM (i24o9)
Smokers used to have tricks back in the day. Some things never change.
The only thought I had was, "sounds like prison."
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:23 PM (i24o9)
Smokers used to have tricks back in the day. Some things never change.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:24 PM (n7h9X)
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Anybody who watches the Dow30 instead of the S&P500 and the Russell 2000 is a fucking retard.
It's 30 stocks. It simply isn't statistically relevant.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at April 07, 2025 04:20 PM (L5An7)
Over the past 2 years, 80% of the sp500’s performance is related to the magnificent 7. It’s not that much better.
It's 30 stocks. It simply isn't statistically relevant.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at April 07, 2025 04:20 PM (L5An7)
Over the past 2 years, 80% of the sp500’s performance is related to the magnificent 7. It’s not that much better.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 07, 2025 04:24 PM (MmH/W)
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212 What is even a one big beautiful bill mean? Sounds like Omnibus/Cromibus
And they are going to "start" on something they are calling a blueprint.
If the blueprint's preamble doesn't contain the phrase, "This budget only spends what has been collected in revenues, then It's just smoke and mirrors.
If they pass an actual budget, I'll eat my shoe.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 07, 2025 04:22 PM (XV/Pl)
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It is a budget. It's a big budget. It's an omnibus, but it's not a CR.
And if the budget resolution is anything to go by, it eliminates those running CR numbers for things like TARP and covid funding.
As I said, terrible, but better than the CR game. Assuming it actually happens.
The last CR was to close out the 24-25 Fiscal Year, ending that fight for the 25-26 Fiscal Year focus with the budgetary process.
And they are going to "start" on something they are calling a blueprint.
If the blueprint's preamble doesn't contain the phrase, "This budget only spends what has been collected in revenues, then It's just smoke and mirrors.
If they pass an actual budget, I'll eat my shoe.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 07, 2025 04:22 PM (XV/Pl)
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It is a budget. It's a big budget. It's an omnibus, but it's not a CR.
And if the budget resolution is anything to go by, it eliminates those running CR numbers for things like TARP and covid funding.
As I said, terrible, but better than the CR game. Assuming it actually happens.
The last CR was to close out the 24-25 Fiscal Year, ending that fight for the 25-26 Fiscal Year focus with the budgetary process.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:25 PM (GBKbO)
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I've dated many German women. None of them were into poop.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 07, 2025 04:08 PM
Of course not. That's not how it's spelt or pronounced in German.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 07, 2025 04:08 PM
Of course not. That's not how it's spelt or pronounced in German.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2025 04:25 PM (a3Q+t)
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Start asking these idiots if they want their medicine to come from China. China also makes most of the vitamin C. How about that great contaminated dog food they sent a couple of years ago? I swear it's like all the stupid people want to,let their freak flag fly. I love the ones complaining about the cost of healthcare without putting the blame where it belongs.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 07, 2025 04:25 PM (cvWHI)
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I'll say it, so Ace doesn't have to:
Snow White has suffered a significant decline, and is now very unlikely to generate $100 million in U.S. boxoffice. Sad!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2025 04:23 PM (a3Q+t)
They should have recast it with Samuel L Jackson. More believable, and would have a real actor in the role.
Snow White has suffered a significant decline, and is now very unlikely to generate $100 million in U.S. boxoffice. Sad!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2025 04:23 PM (a3Q+t)
They should have recast it with Samuel L Jackson. More believable, and would have a real actor in the role.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 07, 2025 04:25 PM (VNX3d)
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No one remembers our biden recession?
Yeah, we had two consecutive Quarters of negative GDP, the definition of an economic recession.
Fake News said nah, we don't define recessions like that anymore. (Since when??) And all the fake financial "experts" said it's cool, consoomer, just keep consoomin.
No one remembers our biden recession?
Yeah, we had two consecutive Quarters of negative GDP, the definition of an economic recession.
Fake News said nah, we don't define recessions like that anymore. (Since when??) And all the fake financial "experts" said it's cool, consoomer, just keep consoomin.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:25 PM (7D215)
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the markets don't like tariffs
"The markets" are leveraged people selling before deflation kills them- creating deflation in the markets.
The loss of "undocumented dollars" is going to be rough.
"The markets" are leveraged people selling before deflation kills them- creating deflation in the markets.
The loss of "undocumented dollars" is going to be rough.
Posted by: t-bird at April 07, 2025 04:25 PM (xtH79)
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I'll say it, so Ace doesn't have to:
Snow White has suffered a significant decline, and is now very unlikely to generate $100 million in U.S. boxoffice. Sad!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2025 04:23 PM (a3Q+t)
I saw a thing where Snow White had left the dwarves and flown of to Dubai with 120 million disney had given her.
Snow White has suffered a significant decline, and is now very unlikely to generate $100 million in U.S. boxoffice. Sad!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2025 04:23 PM (a3Q+t)
I saw a thing where Snow White had left the dwarves and flown of to Dubai with 120 million disney had given her.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:25 PM (n7h9X)
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Posted by: Duke at April 07, 2025 04:19 PM (jIKBx)
I think you're the one misunderstanding what is happening here.
A country could have zero tariffs on American goods and American goods could still be prohibitively expensive to sell in that country. They could do that through domestic subsidies, through regulations, they could go China style (only a company majority owned by a Chinese national can operate in China), etc. etc.
So there is no "fair" way to come up with a number that both addresses the root problem (countries exporting to us but not taking our imports). Trumps solution is fairly straightforward. Yes, it is not entirely fair to some countries, but hey, life is not fair.
I'd be fine if we just banned all fucking imports at this point, to be honest. We have not only fucked our own middle class here, we have also made us unbelievably and recklessly vulnerable. If we were ever in a war with someone and China or other countries decided to fuck us, we wouldn't be able to make medicine, bombs, ships, etc. etc. at home. And while we'd have plenty of corn to eat, we'd face food shortages in other sectors.
That's a real problem.
Posted by: Duke at April 07, 2025 04:19 PM (jIKBx)
I think you're the one misunderstanding what is happening here.
A country could have zero tariffs on American goods and American goods could still be prohibitively expensive to sell in that country. They could do that through domestic subsidies, through regulations, they could go China style (only a company majority owned by a Chinese national can operate in China), etc. etc.
So there is no "fair" way to come up with a number that both addresses the root problem (countries exporting to us but not taking our imports). Trumps solution is fairly straightforward. Yes, it is not entirely fair to some countries, but hey, life is not fair.
I'd be fine if we just banned all fucking imports at this point, to be honest. We have not only fucked our own middle class here, we have also made us unbelievably and recklessly vulnerable. If we were ever in a war with someone and China or other countries decided to fuck us, we wouldn't be able to make medicine, bombs, ships, etc. etc. at home. And while we'd have plenty of corn to eat, we'd face food shortages in other sectors.
That's a real problem.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 07, 2025 04:25 PM (uCjyK)
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If they buy $1B, there is a $9B "deficit." But they have $10B of our cash and we have $10B of gold.
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But it isn't gold is it....
In the case of oil, we have we got? Co2 emissions. Maybe Trump is smarter than the news give him credit for. Maybe his dumbed down soundbites aren't meant to be taken literally...
Did you Wharton? Because he did.
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But it isn't gold is it....
In the case of oil, we have we got? Co2 emissions. Maybe Trump is smarter than the news give him credit for. Maybe his dumbed down soundbites aren't meant to be taken literally...
Did you Wharton? Because he did.
Posted by: Just saying that's how he rolls. at April 07, 2025 04:26 PM (jwdCl)
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224 They should have recast it with Samuel L Jackson. More believable, and would have a real actor in the role.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 07, 2025 04:25 PM (VNX3d)
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Completely overtaken by a movie that is completely unashamed of its source material.
Weird.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 07, 2025 04:25 PM (VNX3d)
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Completely overtaken by a movie that is completely unashamed of its source material.
Weird.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:26 PM (GBKbO)
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I wish Trump had just singled out like China instead of every single country.
I’m actually way more scared about Trump‘s agenda being derailed from an economic depression than I am about my stock portfolio
Posted by: Maroon
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Bill Ackman says something similar. Declaring nuclear war on the whole world is the wrong idea -- declare war on the bad guys is what Trump should do.
I'm also worried about the effect it will have on the MAGA agenda. Small businesses rely on cheap Chinese imports of stupid things like false eyelashes and cosmetics*. Do we need to "reindustrialize" in order to have that shyte made in factories overseen by OSHA? Meanwhile, 2026 looms.
*Yes, I posted this before.
I wish Trump had just singled out like China instead of every single country.
I’m actually way more scared about Trump‘s agenda being derailed from an economic depression than I am about my stock portfolio
Posted by: Maroon
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Bill Ackman says something similar. Declaring nuclear war on the whole world is the wrong idea -- declare war on the bad guys is what Trump should do.
I'm also worried about the effect it will have on the MAGA agenda. Small businesses rely on cheap Chinese imports of stupid things like false eyelashes and cosmetics*. Do we need to "reindustrialize" in order to have that shyte made in factories overseen by OSHA? Meanwhile, 2026 looms.
*Yes, I posted this before.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 04:26 PM (3izae)
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>The administration has conceded that Abrego Garcia should not have been sent to El Salvador because an immigration judge found he likely would face persecution by local gangs.
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No, no, no.
The administration did not "concede" that at all.
The attorney on the case said that in open court.
He did it as a sort of "in fairness/I'm not sure" thing.
And he's been fired (admin leave).
And Bondi sent off a memo, "the rest of you punks get it clear--you work for us and you are required to zealously advocate for us. Not this weak shit where you say off-hand retarded remakes the get used against us."
She is pissed at him, at that. Trump is too.
And, note well, the subsequent filings have not conceded that at all.
But good lord has the left seized on that as proof that EVERY deportation is improper.
Ever story immigration story now includes a line like "just like the immigrant even Trump's administration has admitted was wrongfully deported."
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No, no, no.
The administration did not "concede" that at all.
The attorney on the case said that in open court.
He did it as a sort of "in fairness/I'm not sure" thing.
And he's been fired (admin leave).
And Bondi sent off a memo, "the rest of you punks get it clear--you work for us and you are required to zealously advocate for us. Not this weak shit where you say off-hand retarded remakes the get used against us."
She is pissed at him, at that. Trump is too.
And, note well, the subsequent filings have not conceded that at all.
But good lord has the left seized on that as proof that EVERY deportation is improper.
Ever story immigration story now includes a line like "just like the immigrant even Trump's administration has admitted was wrongfully deported."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 07, 2025 04:26 PM (xFA3k)
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I'll say it, so Ace doesn't have to:
Snow White has suffered a significant decline, and is now very unlikely to generate $100 million in U.S. boxoffice. Sad!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2025 04:23 PM (a3Q+t)
They should have recast it with Samuel L Jackson. More believable, and would have a real actor in the role.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 07, 2025 04:25 PM (VNX3d)
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I don't want no motherfucking apple from some motherfucking old hag!
Snow White has suffered a significant decline, and is now very unlikely to generate $100 million in U.S. boxoffice. Sad!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 07, 2025 04:23 PM (a3Q+t)
They should have recast it with Samuel L Jackson. More believable, and would have a real actor in the role.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 07, 2025 04:25 PM (VNX3d)
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I don't want no motherfucking apple from some motherfucking old hag!
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 04:26 PM (fFYnV)
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"We don't feel liberated."
-- Treasonous Deep State Oligarchic GloboHomo Scum Residing in Xi's Rectum
Someone on X wrote a long sob story about a friend who imported Chinese goods and was going to be ruined by the tariffs. AtC worked out from the details given that 1) he was importing N95 masks and 2) he was "a drop-shipper with extra steps". Sympathy: DENIED.
-- Treasonous Deep State Oligarchic GloboHomo Scum Residing in Xi's Rectum
Someone on X wrote a long sob story about a friend who imported Chinese goods and was going to be ruined by the tariffs. AtC worked out from the details given that 1) he was importing N95 masks and 2) he was "a drop-shipper with extra steps". Sympathy: DENIED.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 07, 2025 04:26 PM (2ocoG)
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But NOW, this weekend, I was told we are in "recession." Yeah, because the Markets dipped 10%, that's the new fake definition of a "recession" when a Republican, especially named Trump, is President.
But NOW, this weekend, I was told we are in "recession." Yeah, because the Markets dipped 10%, that's the new fake definition of a "recession" when a Republican, especially named Trump, is President.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:27 PM (7D215)
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They should have recast it with Samuel L Jackson. More believable, and would have a real actor in the role.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 07, 2025 04:25 PM (VNX3d)
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I don't want no motherfucking apple from some motherfucking old hag!
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 04:26 PM (fFYnV)
I would 100% go to a theater to see "Motherfuckin' Snow White".
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 07, 2025 04:25 PM (VNX3d)
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I don't want no motherfucking apple from some motherfucking old hag!
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 04:26 PM (fFYnV)
I would 100% go to a theater to see "Motherfuckin' Snow White".
Posted by: Ian S. at April 07, 2025 04:27 PM (2ocoG)
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lol
Microsoft has fired 2 muzzy engineers who protested Israel during company’s 50th anniversary celebration Friday.
FAFO assholes.
Good on MSFT.
Microsoft has fired 2 muzzy engineers who protested Israel during company’s 50th anniversary celebration Friday.
FAFO assholes.
Good on MSFT.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 07, 2025 04:27 PM (MmH/W)
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The only thought I had was, "sounds like prison."
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:23 PM (i24o9)
not till they start hiding them in their butts
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:23 PM (i24o9)
not till they start hiding them in their butts
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 07, 2025 04:27 PM (NtVYv)
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Over the past 2 years, 80% of the sp500’s performance is related to the magnificent 7. It’s not that much better.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 07, 2025 04:24 PM (MmH/W)
True. But still better than the Dow30.
I have moved away from SP500 indexes and toward broad-based low cost funds that minimize exposure to the tech stocks. I'm happy with that.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 07, 2025 04:24 PM (MmH/W)
True. But still better than the Dow30.
I have moved away from SP500 indexes and toward broad-based low cost funds that minimize exposure to the tech stocks. I'm happy with that.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at April 07, 2025 04:28 PM (L5An7)
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I think one thing that Trump's administration can argue is that Middle America - what we now call the "Rust Belt" - suffered for decades but no one cared or payed any attention to their pain as their communities were hollowed out, their families broken, and their relatives died prematurely from despair and addiction. Perhaps that is the appropriate context with which to view the wails of the people who make money from money.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 07, 2025 04:28 PM (ssz2a)
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No one remembers our biden recession?
Yeah, we had two consecutive Quarters of negative GDP, the definition of an economic recession.
Fake News said nah, we don't define recessions like that anymore. (Since when??) And all the fake financial "experts" said it's cool, consoomer, just keep consoomin.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:25 PM (7D215)
I think part of the reason Trump had such a great set of results in his first term was the stats had been cooked to make Obama looked good and they couldnt change the rules back. Under Biden the cooking got even larger, Trump could probably buy a few bags of McDs and get a blip in the GNP or something.
Yeah, we had two consecutive Quarters of negative GDP, the definition of an economic recession.
Fake News said nah, we don't define recessions like that anymore. (Since when??) And all the fake financial "experts" said it's cool, consoomer, just keep consoomin.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:25 PM (7D215)
I think part of the reason Trump had such a great set of results in his first term was the stats had been cooked to make Obama looked good and they couldnt change the rules back. Under Biden the cooking got even larger, Trump could probably buy a few bags of McDs and get a blip in the GNP or something.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:28 PM (n7h9X)
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If they pass an actual budget, I'll eat my shoe.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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Good thing that's not going to happen because then you would have only one shoe.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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Good thing that's not going to happen because then you would have only one shoe.
Posted by: wth at April 07, 2025 04:28 PM (v0R5T)
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BREAKING: Chief Justice Roberts has indefinitely blocked the court order requiring Kilmar Abrego Garcia's return tonight. Yes, yes, I am surprised. I knew that he was an abhorrent piece of excrement, but I thought maybe CJ had some sense of rule of law.
This man and this Court (except 3) are full-on MAGA. Cruel, evil, and yet subordinate. They have completely capitulated their positions to a tyrant. Cowards. They should all resign and never show their faces in public again.
Fucking amazing how FAST they protect TSF! When fuck head asks, the supreme court jumps then BOWS before the GOLDEN KING!!!
They don't want him back. Something is up. He’s a massive liability to them should he come back unharmed.
I'm sure he's harmed. That's what they don't want the world to know. So horrible.
Stuff like this needed to happen so Hispanics that were running to support and vote for this clown, can see what the Republican Party is really about.
Every one in the US is now fair game. Any one of us can be disappeared in broad daylight by men in masks.
This man and this Court (except 3) are full-on MAGA. Cruel, evil, and yet subordinate. They have completely capitulated their positions to a tyrant. Cowards. They should all resign and never show their faces in public again.
Fucking amazing how FAST they protect TSF! When fuck head asks, the supreme court jumps then BOWS before the GOLDEN KING!!!
They don't want him back. Something is up. He’s a massive liability to them should he come back unharmed.
I'm sure he's harmed. That's what they don't want the world to know. So horrible.
Stuff like this needed to happen so Hispanics that were running to support and vote for this clown, can see what the Republican Party is really about.
Every one in the US is now fair game. Any one of us can be disappeared in broad daylight by men in masks.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at April 07, 2025 04:28 PM (JCZqz)
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They should have recast it with Samuel L Jackson. More believable, and would have a real actor in the role.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 07, 2025 04:25 PM (VNX3d)
What the fuck is it with all these motherfucking midgets ?!
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 07, 2025 04:25 PM (VNX3d)
What the fuck is it with all these motherfucking midgets ?!
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 07, 2025 04:29 PM (NtVYv)
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I think one thing that Trump's administration can argue is that Middle America - what we now call the "Rust Belt" - suffered for decades but no one cared or payed any attention to their pain as their communities were hollowed out, their families broken, and their relatives died prematurely from despair and addiction. Perhaps that is the appropriate context with which to view the wails of the people who make money from money.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 07, 2025 04:28 PM (ssz2a)
They didn't call it flyover country out of love. Sill hate the coasters, even living on one now.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 07, 2025 04:28 PM (ssz2a)
They didn't call it flyover country out of love. Sill hate the coasters, even living on one now.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:29 PM (n7h9X)
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Kind of an aside, but I was talking to someone about how poorly schools are run. She related that the kids take their vapes - including any marijuana cartridges - into the bathrooms to vape at school. She says that they hide above the ceiling tiles in the drop ceiling.
The only thought I had was, "sounds like prison."
That's silly. Kids don't hide their vapes in the ceiling in the bathroom. They hide them in their backpacks and vape when the teacher isn't looking. They make all kinds of vapes that don't look like vapes.
There are even hoodies that are specifically made to enable you to vape by sucking on one of the strings.
http://tiny.cc/x8qf001
If they use the juice that doesn't have any smell, it's really hard to catch them at it.
The only thought I had was, "sounds like prison."
That's silly. Kids don't hide their vapes in the ceiling in the bathroom. They hide them in their backpacks and vape when the teacher isn't looking. They make all kinds of vapes that don't look like vapes.
There are even hoodies that are specifically made to enable you to vape by sucking on one of the strings.
http://tiny.cc/x8qf001
If they use the juice that doesn't have any smell, it's really hard to catch them at it.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 07, 2025 04:29 PM (lIio7)
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Microsoft has fired 2 muzzy engineers who protested Israel during company’s 50th anniversary celebration Friday.
FAFO assholes.
Good on MSFT.
MS is run by Satya Nadella, and dot Indians have a long negative history with Islam.
FAFO assholes.
Good on MSFT.
MS is run by Satya Nadella, and dot Indians have a long negative history with Islam.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 07, 2025 04:29 PM (2ocoG)
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TJM, I finally watched most of Season 1, Mad Men this weekend. Its entertaining. Guy likes his pussy.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 07, 2025 04:29 PM (pZ64F)
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243 Stuff like this needed to happen so Hispanics that were running to support and vote for this clown, can see what the Republican Party is really about.
Every one in the US is now fair game. Any one of us can be disappeared in broad daylight by men in masks.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at April 07, 2025 04:28 PM (JCZqz)
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1. Hispanics voted for this. They hate illegal immigration more than white people do.
2. Call me when an actual American citizen gets deported. Cause this guy wasn't one.
Every one in the US is now fair game. Any one of us can be disappeared in broad daylight by men in masks.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at April 07, 2025 04:28 PM (JCZqz)
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1. Hispanics voted for this. They hate illegal immigration more than white people do.
2. Call me when an actual American citizen gets deported. Cause this guy wasn't one.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:29 PM (GBKbO)
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Willowed:
“I suspect that the globalists have initiated one of their programs to get that TDS fire burning hotter. Is it just the social media inputs to their brains or something else?”
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Interesting you mention this. One thing the globalists have been working on in earnest since the 1950s is broadly “manipulation of attitudes and beliefs”. The MkUltra stuff was largely started by the you-know-whos in Germany, after the war the top behavioral scientists and psychologists were given a metric crapload of money. Before the war, the Frankfurt School of communists set up shop at Columbia and other Unis. Their legacy? You’re soaking in it.
The idea generally was investigating how to drive people crazy, dissociative states, neurosis. It’s especially important to go after kids, before age 10. Trauma based conditioning is most effective.
Electronic measures “brain zappers”, psychic driving, drugs, propaganda, reinforcement in music and television. The Soviets were in on it too, also synthetic telepathy. You simply cannot discuss these topics without sounding like a loon yourself.
But I guarantee the USA did not turn into an open air insane asylum by accident. No chance.
“I suspect that the globalists have initiated one of their programs to get that TDS fire burning hotter. Is it just the social media inputs to their brains or something else?”
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Interesting you mention this. One thing the globalists have been working on in earnest since the 1950s is broadly “manipulation of attitudes and beliefs”. The MkUltra stuff was largely started by the you-know-whos in Germany, after the war the top behavioral scientists and psychologists were given a metric crapload of money. Before the war, the Frankfurt School of communists set up shop at Columbia and other Unis. Their legacy? You’re soaking in it.
The idea generally was investigating how to drive people crazy, dissociative states, neurosis. It’s especially important to go after kids, before age 10. Trauma based conditioning is most effective.
Electronic measures “brain zappers”, psychic driving, drugs, propaganda, reinforcement in music and television. The Soviets were in on it too, also synthetic telepathy. You simply cannot discuss these topics without sounding like a loon yourself.
But I guarantee the USA did not turn into an open air insane asylum by accident. No chance.
Posted by: Common Tater at April 07, 2025 04:30 PM (pIZjG)
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But Harry - you've forgotten the first rule of Ruling Class Economics. Which is to do whatever it takes to keep the party going long enough for the ruling class to die naturally. At which point it can all crash and they don't give a damn.
Posted by: Talking Notes at April 07, 2025 04:20 PM (Sb7UZ)
Correct, that is what is happening. Some people are getting VERY rich off the status quo.
But in essence what they are doing, through not-very-complex financial maneuvering, is stealing wealth from their fellow American citizens through government policies. While lying through their teeth about it, chastising us for being Nazi's or whatever because we don't want unlimited immigration and unlimited off-shoring / outsourcing, and laughing behind out banks as they cash the checks.
It should outrage us all.
Posted by: Talking Notes at April 07, 2025 04:20 PM (Sb7UZ)
Correct, that is what is happening. Some people are getting VERY rich off the status quo.
But in essence what they are doing, through not-very-complex financial maneuvering, is stealing wealth from their fellow American citizens through government policies. While lying through their teeth about it, chastising us for being Nazi's or whatever because we don't want unlimited immigration and unlimited off-shoring / outsourcing, and laughing behind out banks as they cash the checks.
It should outrage us all.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 07, 2025 04:30 PM (uCjyK)
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248 TJM, I finally watched most of Season 1, Mad Men this weekend. Its entertaining. Guy likes his pussy.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 07, 2025 04:29 PM (pZ64F)
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Jon Hamm is best in Travel Man with Richard Ayoade:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty6oKIQydkY
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 07, 2025 04:29 PM (pZ64F)
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Jon Hamm is best in Travel Man with Richard Ayoade:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty6oKIQydkY
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:30 PM (GBKbO)
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Every one in the US is now fair game. Any one of us can be disappeared in broad daylight by men in masks.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison
And that's just the way we want it, you silly mouth breathing wombat!
True story!
Every one in the US is now fair game. Any one of us can be disappeared in broad daylight by men in masks.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison
And that's just the way we want it, you silly mouth breathing wombat!
True story!
Posted by: Joe Biden, where am I now? at April 07, 2025 04:30 PM (vcOmj)
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Smokers used to have tricks back in the day. Some things never change.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:24 PM (n7h9X)
Yeah, that was my second thought.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:24 PM (n7h9X)
Yeah, that was my second thought.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:31 PM (i24o9)
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BREAKING: Chief Justice Roberts has indefinitely blocked the court order requiring Kilmar Abrego Garcia's return tonight. Yes, yes, I am surprised. I knew that he was an abhorrent piece of excrement, but I thought maybe CJ had some sense of rule of law.
This man and this Court (except 3) are full-on MAGA. Cruel, evil, and yet subordinate. They have completely capitulated their positions to a tyrant. Cowards. They should all resign and never show their faces in public again.
Fucking amazing how FAST they protect TSF! When fuck head asks, the supreme court jumps then BOWS before the GOLDEN KING!!!
They don't want him back. Something is up. He’s a massive liability to them should he come back unharmed.
I'm sure he's harmed. That's what they don't want the world to know. So horrible.
Stuff like this needed to happen so Hispanics that were running to support and vote for this clown, can see what the Republican Party is really about.
Every one in the US is now fair game. Any one of us can be disappeared in broad daylight by men in masks.
They seem...exercised.
This man and this Court (except 3) are full-on MAGA. Cruel, evil, and yet subordinate. They have completely capitulated their positions to a tyrant. Cowards. They should all resign and never show their faces in public again.
Fucking amazing how FAST they protect TSF! When fuck head asks, the supreme court jumps then BOWS before the GOLDEN KING!!!
They don't want him back. Something is up. He’s a massive liability to them should he come back unharmed.
I'm sure he's harmed. That's what they don't want the world to know. So horrible.
Stuff like this needed to happen so Hispanics that were running to support and vote for this clown, can see what the Republican Party is really about.
Every one in the US is now fair game. Any one of us can be disappeared in broad daylight by men in masks.
They seem...exercised.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 07, 2025 04:31 PM (xCA6C)
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My bed in the midget's house is the one that says Bad Ass Motherfucker.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 04:31 PM (fFYnV)
Posted by: What does he do... at April 07, 2025 04:31 PM (jwdCl)
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253
Every one in the US is now fair game. Any one of us can be disappeared in broad daylight by men in masks.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison
And that's just the way we want it, you silly mouth breathing wombat!
True story!
Posted by: Joe Biden, where am I now? at April 07, 2025 04:30 PM (vcOmj)
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'Member when Obama droned an American citizen and his son without judicial restraint and the left laughed at the idea that he had done anything wrong?
I 'member.
Every one in the US is now fair game. Any one of us can be disappeared in broad daylight by men in masks.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison
And that's just the way we want it, you silly mouth breathing wombat!
True story!
Posted by: Joe Biden, where am I now? at April 07, 2025 04:30 PM (vcOmj)
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'Member when Obama droned an American citizen and his son without judicial restraint and the left laughed at the idea that he had done anything wrong?
I 'member.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:31 PM (GBKbO)
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Know what's even harder to catch than vapes? Marijuana edibles. Especially gummies.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 07, 2025 04:32 PM (lIio7)
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Stuff like this needed to happen so Hispanics that were running to support and vote for this clown, can see what the Republican Party is really about.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions
Ah yes, the ol' political rationale.
These people are nothing but consistent in their quest for political gain.
Stuff like this needed to happen so Hispanics that were running to support and vote for this clown, can see what the Republican Party is really about.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions
Ah yes, the ol' political rationale.
These people are nothing but consistent in their quest for political gain.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:32 PM (7D215)
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Jon Hamm is best in Travel Man with Richard Ayoade:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty6oKIQydkY
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:30 PM (GBKbO)
His new Apple show where he gets fired and starts a theft ring looks like it may be fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty6oKIQydkY
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:30 PM (GBKbO)
His new Apple show where he gets fired and starts a theft ring looks like it may be fun.
Posted by: BruceWayne at April 07, 2025 04:32 PM (MGB5H)
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'Member when Obama droned an American citizen and his son without judicial restraint and the left laughed at the idea that he had done anything wrong?
I 'member.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:31 PM (GBKbO)
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Joe and his bus full of innocent civilians in Afghanistan after the withdrawal massacre.
I 'member.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:31 PM (GBKbO)
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Joe and his bus full of innocent civilians in Afghanistan after the withdrawal massacre.
Posted by: J Roberts Esq SCOTUS at April 07, 2025 04:32 PM (tT6L1)
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You realize this whole Ukraine War is because Stalin wanted three votes in the UN instead of one?
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:16 PM (n7h9X)
I think that was a bonus. Bulgakov wrote in Belaya Gvardiya (the White Guard) that there were rumors that the Bolsheviks backed the Ukraines separation from the Czar to get support from the Ukrainian people. Not that it worked out too well for them unfortunately.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:16 PM (n7h9X)
I think that was a bonus. Bulgakov wrote in Belaya Gvardiya (the White Guard) that there were rumors that the Bolsheviks backed the Ukraines separation from the Czar to get support from the Ukrainian people. Not that it worked out too well for them unfortunately.
Posted by: mishdog at April 07, 2025 04:32 PM (2yUKc)
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>>Bill Ackman says something similar. Declaring nuclear war on the whole world is the wrong idea -- declare war on the bad guys is what Trump should do.
How are the EU good guys if they have been putting onerous tariffs and market restrictions on us just like China all while they lived under the protection of the US military?
Ackman got rich under the rigged game. Not surprising to see him squeal. A level playing field for all countries.
How are the EU good guys if they have been putting onerous tariffs and market restrictions on us just like China all while they lived under the protection of the US military?
Ackman got rich under the rigged game. Not surprising to see him squeal. A level playing field for all countries.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 07, 2025 04:32 PM (LkLld)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:33 PM (7D215)
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The Stock Market isn't the thermometer for the health of the US economy. It's just a den of thieves and rapscallions.
That's why Trump doesn't give a shit if it's down.
Sean Davis is 💯 correct.
We simply cannot continue as we did before. The parents are home and boy are they pissed we've had a house party for the last 50 years.
That's why Trump doesn't give a shit if it's down.
Sean Davis is 💯 correct.
We simply cannot continue as we did before. The parents are home and boy are they pissed we've had a house party for the last 50 years.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 07, 2025 04:33 PM (17l0u)
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/off feckless spineless legal idiot sock
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 07, 2025 04:33 PM (tT6L1)
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'Member when Obama droned an American citizen and his son without judicial restraint and the left laughed at the idea that he had done anything wrong?
I 'member.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:31 PM (GBKbO)
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He actually bragged that he was pretty good at killing people, and was praised for being a "badass."
'Member when Obama droned an American citizen and his son without judicial restraint and the left laughed at the idea that he had done anything wrong?
I 'member.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:31 PM (GBKbO)
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He actually bragged that he was pretty good at killing people, and was praised for being a "badass."
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 07, 2025 04:33 PM (ZOv7s)
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Ross Perot was right, wasn't he?
Posted by: PJ at April 07, 2025 03:56 PM (RRCAT)
Hell, I think Herman Caine and Ben Carson were right
Posted by: PJ at April 07, 2025 03:56 PM (RRCAT)
Hell, I think Herman Caine and Ben Carson were right
Posted by: Kindltot at April 07, 2025 04:33 PM (D7oie)
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As the DUmmies show us, the Democrats have Nothing but:
1. Seething
2. Gaslighting
3. Scheming
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:33 PM (7D215)
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Now, if Sotomayor decided to retire to spend more time with her fat folds...
As the DUmmies show us, the Democrats have Nothing but:
1. Seething
2. Gaslighting
3. Scheming
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:33 PM (7D215)
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Now, if Sotomayor decided to retire to spend more time with her fat folds...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:33 PM (GBKbO)
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BREAKING: Chief Justice Roberts has indefinitely blocked the court order requiring Kilmar Abrego Garcia's return tonight. Yes, yes, I am surprised. I knew that he was an abhorrent piece of excrement, but I thought maybe CJ had some sense of rule of law.
DU crowd
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I think the real reason is Roberts is a bit afraid of the political optics aspect of bringing a terrorist back even when the Government agrees that the TRO should have taken effect.
Seems like his slow march overturning the lates Dem ops with the judges is getting started now and as expected, most of these flaky and corrupt actions will be turned back, but he doesn't want to change the rules to make it impossible.
DU crowd
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I think the real reason is Roberts is a bit afraid of the political optics aspect of bringing a terrorist back even when the Government agrees that the TRO should have taken effect.
Seems like his slow march overturning the lates Dem ops with the judges is getting started now and as expected, most of these flaky and corrupt actions will be turned back, but he doesn't want to change the rules to make it impossible.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:33 PM (n7h9X)
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204 190 Wow did not see this coming:
"Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts indefinitely blocked a court order requiring the return of alleged MS-13 gang member Kilmar Abrego Garcia by midnight tonight."
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:18 PM (e5NfL)
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Roberts has the choice of retaining Marbury v Madison for SCOTUS or losing it completely.
He understands this.
Because Marbury v Madison is not going to survive Trump's term for lower district judges.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:20 PM (GBKbO)
Roberts was never going to win this one against Trump. Trump has beaten Republicans, Democrats, the Media, all comers. A judge was never going to stand a chance against him..
"Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts indefinitely blocked a court order requiring the return of alleged MS-13 gang member Kilmar Abrego Garcia by midnight tonight."
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 07, 2025 04:18 PM (e5NfL)
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Roberts has the choice of retaining Marbury v Madison for SCOTUS or losing it completely.
He understands this.
Because Marbury v Madison is not going to survive Trump's term for lower district judges.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:20 PM (GBKbO)
Roberts was never going to win this one against Trump. Trump has beaten Republicans, Democrats, the Media, all comers. A judge was never going to stand a chance against him..
Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 07, 2025 04:33 PM (nK8pW)
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I've still never gotten an answer from one of these dumbass hair-on-fire suddenly experts and staunch free-traders to one really easy question:
Why is the rest of the world allowed to be viciously protectionist in their trade policies and the US has to bend over and get cornholed at every turn?
Why is the rest of the world allowed to be viciously protectionist in their trade policies and the US has to bend over and get cornholed at every turn?
Posted by: ballistic at April 07, 2025 04:33 PM (8jeiN)
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254 Smokers used to have tricks back in the day. Some things never change.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:24 PM (n7h9X)
Yeah, that was my second thought.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:31 PM (i24o9)
/Sings
Smokin in the Boys Room... yeah we waz smokin in the Boys Room....
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:24 PM (n7h9X)
Yeah, that was my second thought.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:31 PM (i24o9)
/Sings
Smokin in the Boys Room... yeah we waz smokin in the Boys Room....
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2025 04:34 PM (QAkQ3)
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240 I think one thing that Trump's administration can argue is that Middle America - what we now call the "Rust Belt" - suffered for decades but no one cared or payed any attention to their pain as their communities were hollowed out, their families broken, and their relatives died prematurely from despair and addiction. Perhaps that is the appropriate context with which to view the wails of the people who make money from money.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 07, 2025 04:28 PM (ssz2a)
It was not some natural unstoppable process that destroyed our industrial base (the rust belt), it was purposeful decisions made for various reasons, but to sum it up: the politicians and deep state did not care at all about who they fucked over to get the power and money they wanted for themselves.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 07, 2025 04:28 PM (ssz2a)
It was not some natural unstoppable process that destroyed our industrial base (the rust belt), it was purposeful decisions made for various reasons, but to sum it up: the politicians and deep state did not care at all about who they fucked over to get the power and money they wanted for themselves.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 07, 2025 04:34 PM (uCjyK)
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Ross Perot was right, wasn't he?
Posted by: PJ at April 07, 2025 03:56 PM (RRCAT)
Hell, I think Herman Caine and Ben Carson were right
Posted by: Kindltot at April 07, 2025 04:33 PM (D7oie)
He was just an asshole. The fact that Bush I was terrible wasn't why he flipped the election.
Posted by: PJ at April 07, 2025 03:56 PM (RRCAT)
Hell, I think Herman Caine and Ben Carson were right
Posted by: Kindltot at April 07, 2025 04:33 PM (D7oie)
He was just an asshole. The fact that Bush I was terrible wasn't why he flipped the election.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:35 PM (n7h9X)
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Also, note that she will only talk about zero tariffs on industrial goods. They're going to continue keeping US agricultural goods out, forever, because they're full-on protectionist at our expense and always have been and always will be.
___________________
This.
___________________
This.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 04:35 PM (YqDXo)
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And it should be noted that it wasn't an Article III federal judge that ordered him not to be deported to Salvador.
It was an immigration judge.
Which, if you will recall, Trump recently fired a bunch of.
Because they were working hand-and-glove with illegal immigration advocate lawyers.
And these judges work for the President, not the Judiciary.
It wasn't an adversarial hearing, with competing evidence weighed by the fact-finder--it was this guy alone, presenting his illegal immigration advocate coached sob story that was the basis of the order.
So, the judge's order was one part of the Executive branch ordering another part of the Executive branch not to do something.
And, note well, he was still here illegally--only ordered not to be sent to Salvador.
It was an immigration judge.
Which, if you will recall, Trump recently fired a bunch of.
Because they were working hand-and-glove with illegal immigration advocate lawyers.
And these judges work for the President, not the Judiciary.
It wasn't an adversarial hearing, with competing evidence weighed by the fact-finder--it was this guy alone, presenting his illegal immigration advocate coached sob story that was the basis of the order.
So, the judge's order was one part of the Executive branch ordering another part of the Executive branch not to do something.
And, note well, he was still here illegally--only ordered not to be sent to Salvador.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 07, 2025 04:35 PM (xFA3k)
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Quick Afternoon Presidential Trivia!
Name All the Presidents Who Died on Independence Day.
/Jeopardy music
Quick Afternoon Presidential Trivia!
Name All the Presidents Who Died on Independence Day.
/Jeopardy music
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:35 PM (7D215)
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How are the EU good guys if they have been putting onerous tariffs and market restrictions on us just like China all while they lived under the protection of the US military?
Ackman got rich under the rigged game. Not surprising to see him squeal. A level playing field for all countries.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 07, 2025 04:32 PM (LkLld)
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Every """conservative""" bitching about this just revealed their traitor status.
Tariffs are the platonic ideal of a tax - it is born by foreigners, who lose wages, not us. You can opt out of it by buying a domestic substitute.
If it is low, it raises revenue in the least intrusive way possible. No income tax forms, no filing, just pay as you go.
Oh, and it was a primary source of federal revenue for most of our history.
Ackman got rich under the rigged game. Not surprising to see him squeal. A level playing field for all countries.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 07, 2025 04:32 PM (LkLld)
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Every """conservative""" bitching about this just revealed their traitor status.
Tariffs are the platonic ideal of a tax - it is born by foreigners, who lose wages, not us. You can opt out of it by buying a domestic substitute.
If it is low, it raises revenue in the least intrusive way possible. No income tax forms, no filing, just pay as you go.
Oh, and it was a primary source of federal revenue for most of our history.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 07, 2025 04:36 PM (ZOv7s)
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If you buy stocks at opportune times, you get a good price. None of my stocks are anywhere near as low as when I bought them. In fact, now is a pretty good time to be buying.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 07, 2025 04:36 PM (lTGtQ)
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Roberts was never going to win this one against Trump. Trump has beaten Republicans, Democrats, the Media, all comers. A judge was never going to stand a chance against him..
Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 07, 2025 04:33 PM (nK8pW)
Roberts was trying to use the Lower Courts to 'wait it out'... these cases take YEARS to wend through the Courts... and then are suddenly 'moot' before the Supremes have to do anything.
Hell, the Roberts court won't even back up its own Precedents on guns... they keep punting cases where their own precedent would apply...
Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 07, 2025 04:33 PM (nK8pW)
Roberts was trying to use the Lower Courts to 'wait it out'... these cases take YEARS to wend through the Courts... and then are suddenly 'moot' before the Supremes have to do anything.
Hell, the Roberts court won't even back up its own Precedents on guns... they keep punting cases where their own precedent would apply...
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2025 04:36 PM (QAkQ3)
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I think one thing that Trump's administration can argue is that Middle America - what we now call the "Rust Belt" - suffered for decades but no one cared or payed any attention to their pain as their communities were hollowed out, their families broken, and their relatives died prematurely from despair and addiction. Perhaps that is the appropriate context with which to view the wails of the people who make money from money.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 07, 2025 04:28 PM (ssz2a)
___________
10000X.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at April 07, 2025 04:28 PM (ssz2a)
___________
10000X.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 04:36 PM (YqDXo)
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Name All the Presidents Who Died on Independence Day.
/Jeopardy music
Posted by: Soothsayer
Adams and Jefferson, and on the same day in the same year.
/Jeopardy music
Posted by: Soothsayer
Adams and Jefferson, and on the same day in the same year.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 07, 2025 04:37 PM (lTGtQ)
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How are the EU good guys if they have been putting onerous tariffs and market restrictions on us just like China all while they lived under the protection of the US military?
Ackman got rich under the rigged game. Not surprising to see him squeal. A level playing field for all countries.
Posted by: JackStraw
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In that Xeet he didn't name the good guys vs bad guys. I don't know how he views the EU, and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night. I'm just tossing things I read into the discussion to get feedback because I'm not expert on macroeconomics.
How are the EU good guys if they have been putting onerous tariffs and market restrictions on us just like China all while they lived under the protection of the US military?
Ackman got rich under the rigged game. Not surprising to see him squeal. A level playing field for all countries.
Posted by: JackStraw
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In that Xeet he didn't name the good guys vs bad guys. I don't know how he views the EU, and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night. I'm just tossing things I read into the discussion to get feedback because I'm not expert on macroeconomics.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 04:37 PM (3izae)
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269 Ross Perot was right, wasn't he?
Posted by: PJ at April 07, 2025 03:56 PM (RRCAT)
Hell, I think Herman Caine and Ben Carson were right
Posted by: Kindltot at April 07, 2025 04:33 PM (D7oie)
Yes, this is not a new problem and while it's 100% clear in hindsight, there were many people pointing out the issues at the time as we've marched down this path.
Starting, by the way, with the Marshall Plan. The original massive slush fund to fund all kinds of shenanigans, wherein many people got fabulously wealthy off the American middle class, including many wealthy Americans.
Posted by: PJ at April 07, 2025 03:56 PM (RRCAT)
Hell, I think Herman Caine and Ben Carson were right
Posted by: Kindltot at April 07, 2025 04:33 PM (D7oie)
Yes, this is not a new problem and while it's 100% clear in hindsight, there were many people pointing out the issues at the time as we've marched down this path.
Starting, by the way, with the Marshall Plan. The original massive slush fund to fund all kinds of shenanigans, wherein many people got fabulously wealthy off the American middle class, including many wealthy Americans.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 07, 2025 04:37 PM (uCjyK)
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I've still never gotten an answer from one of these dumbass hair-on-fire suddenly experts and staunch free-traders to one really easy question:
Why is the rest of the world allowed to be viciously protectionist in their trade policies and the US has to bend over and get cornholed at every turn?
Posted by: ballistic at April 07, 2025 04:33 PM (8jeiN)
Because the Deep State aren't free traders at all. If you call em on it they drop right into pseudo moral code like they do when their political and diplomatic moves blow up in their face.
Why is the rest of the world allowed to be viciously protectionist in their trade policies and the US has to bend over and get cornholed at every turn?
Posted by: ballistic at April 07, 2025 04:33 PM (8jeiN)
Because the Deep State aren't free traders at all. If you call em on it they drop right into pseudo moral code like they do when their political and diplomatic moves blow up in their face.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:37 PM (n7h9X)
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Even if a district court judge had the power to order Trump to retrieve a deported illegal alien/MS-13 gang member, they don't, how was Trump supposed to force El Salvador to turn over one of their citizens?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 07, 2025 04:38 PM (LkLld)
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Name All the Presidents Who Died on Independence Day.
/Jeopardy music
Posted by: Soothsayer
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Jefferson and Adams, who else? I didn't look either.
Name All the Presidents Who Died on Independence Day.
/Jeopardy music
Posted by: Soothsayer
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Jefferson and Adams, who else? I didn't look either.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 04:38 PM (3izae)
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Name All the Presidents Who Died on Independence Day.
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Adams and Jefferson, I think. Both on the same day, IIRC.
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Adams and Jefferson, I think. Both on the same day, IIRC.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 04:38 PM (YqDXo)
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Why is the rest of the world allowed to be viciously protectionist in their trade policies and the US has to bend over and get cornholed at every turn?
The argument they'll give you is that it hurts their people.
But, looking at the ramifications of America's doctrinaire free trade policies and their mixed ones the data does not back that up
The argument they'll give you is that it hurts their people.
But, looking at the ramifications of America's doctrinaire free trade policies and their mixed ones the data does not back that up
Posted by: 18-1 at April 07, 2025 04:39 PM (t0Rmr)
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I'll say it, so Ace doesn't have to:
Snow White has suffered a significant decline, and is now very unlikely to generate $100 million in U.S. boxoffice. Sad!
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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I can't wait for her to talk again. It's gonna be good. Must be keeping her physically restrained somewhere.
Snow White has suffered a significant decline, and is now very unlikely to generate $100 million in U.S. boxoffice. Sad!
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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I can't wait for her to talk again. It's gonna be good. Must be keeping her physically restrained somewhere.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 07, 2025 04:39 PM (Dm8we)
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Our fake finacial "experts": heehee, AI is the future! heehee, Nvidia all the way, heehee! We love Nvidia at $150, heehee!
Also our fake financial "experts": Sell! Sell everything! We hate Nvidia at $95!
Our fake finacial "experts": heehee, AI is the future! heehee, Nvidia all the way, heehee! We love Nvidia at $150, heehee!
Also our fake financial "experts": Sell! Sell everything! We hate Nvidia at $95!
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:39 PM (7D215)
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Can't Ursula compose full sentences?
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at April 07, 2025 04:40 PM (w6EFb)
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Jefferson and Adams on 7/4/1826
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 07, 2025 04:40 PM (6TePA)
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In that Xeet he didn't name the good guys vs bad guys. I don't know how he views the EU, and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night. I'm just tossing things I read into the discussion to get feedback because I'm not expert on macroeconomics.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 04:37 PM (3izae)
The EU has nothing to do with economics. It is a plan to create a 'superpower' to counterbalance the US in the 1990s and subsume all the member states. It was always anti-populist and anti-american. Most member countries were forced in without votes, or with repeated referenda until they got the one election.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 04:37 PM (3izae)
The EU has nothing to do with economics. It is a plan to create a 'superpower' to counterbalance the US in the 1990s and subsume all the member states. It was always anti-populist and anti-american. Most member countries were forced in without votes, or with repeated referenda until they got the one election.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:40 PM (n7h9X)
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Same market gurus and fund managers who LOVED Nvidia at $150 hate Nvidia at $100??
Yeah, that makes sense. We should listen to these people.
Same market gurus and fund managers who LOVED Nvidia at $150 hate Nvidia at $100??
Yeah, that makes sense. We should listen to these people.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:40 PM (7D215)
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Semi-OT
Here's a list of the boycotts that the left and the media BIRM are promoting:
Walmart – April 7-14
Economic Blackout 2 – April 18
General Mills – April 21-28
Amazon Boycott 2 – May 6-12
Walmart Boycott 2 - May 20 to 26
Target Boycott - June 3 to 9
McDonald's Boycott - June 24 to 30
Independence Day Boycott – July 4
The boycotts are to protest DOGE, companies dropping DEI, and people who make money by providing goods and services that other people want. Gee, it would be too bad if these boycotts fizzled.
I don't recall the media promoting and advertising the Bud Light boycott. Weird.
Here's a list of the boycotts that the left and the media BIRM are promoting:
Walmart – April 7-14
Economic Blackout 2 – April 18
General Mills – April 21-28
Amazon Boycott 2 – May 6-12
Walmart Boycott 2 - May 20 to 26
Target Boycott - June 3 to 9
McDonald's Boycott - June 24 to 30
Independence Day Boycott – July 4
The boycotts are to protest DOGE, companies dropping DEI, and people who make money by providing goods and services that other people want. Gee, it would be too bad if these boycotts fizzled.
I don't recall the media promoting and advertising the Bud Light boycott. Weird.
Posted by: Emmie at April 07, 2025 04:41 PM (9b91n)
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295 Jefferson and Adams on 7/4/1826
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 07, 2025 04:40 PM (6TePA)
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They tried to keep Madison alive until 7/4/1836, but he died about a week earlier than that, on June 28.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 07, 2025 04:40 PM (6TePA)
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They tried to keep Madison alive until 7/4/1836, but he died about a week earlier than that, on June 28.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:41 PM (GBKbO)
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Because the Deep State aren't free traders at all. If you call em on it they drop right into pseudo moral code like they do when their political and diplomatic moves blow up in their face.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:37 PM (n7h9X)
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The fatal mistake is taking these people seriously. They're all about eating the rich until we start actually eating the rich, and then it's a nightmare!
The run against stock speculators, but are also funded by them. Remember, Obama never put anyone in jail for any financial or economic crime. BP actually killed people through gross negligence but got off by paying money to Act Blue, because it was never about justice, just grift.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:37 PM (n7h9X)
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The fatal mistake is taking these people seriously. They're all about eating the rich until we start actually eating the rich, and then it's a nightmare!
The run against stock speculators, but are also funded by them. Remember, Obama never put anyone in jail for any financial or economic crime. BP actually killed people through gross negligence but got off by paying money to Act Blue, because it was never about justice, just grift.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 07, 2025 04:41 PM (ZOv7s)
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New AI paper: "Advances and Challenges in Foundation Agents"
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2504.01990
Forty-five authors, all but two of whom have Chinese names.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2504.01990
Forty-five authors, all but two of whom have Chinese names.
Posted by: Lithiated gp For Refreshment at April 07, 2025 04:41 PM (JI10i)
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Starting, by the way, with the Marshall Plan. The original massive slush fund to fund all kinds of shenanigans, wherein many people got fabulously wealthy off the American middle class, including many wealthy Americans.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 07, 2025 04:37 PM (uCjyK)
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Gotta respectfully disagree. The Marshall Plan worked to put Europe back on its feet to stem the rising tide of Communist agitation fueled by European economic woes after the war. It may have made some wealthy Americans more wealthy, but if so, it was worth the price, IMO.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 07, 2025 04:37 PM (uCjyK)
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Gotta respectfully disagree. The Marshall Plan worked to put Europe back on its feet to stem the rising tide of Communist agitation fueled by European economic woes after the war. It may have made some wealthy Americans more wealthy, but if so, it was worth the price, IMO.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 04:41 PM (YqDXo)
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I don't think this is how vaccines are supposed to work.
A study of the 2024-2025 flu vaccine found it was -27% effective. That means you were 27% MORE likely to get the flu if you got the shot.
Study link:
http://tiny.cc/0bqf001
Found via Liz Wheeler's X account.
http://tiny.cc/2bqf001
A study of the 2024-2025 flu vaccine found it was -27% effective. That means you were 27% MORE likely to get the flu if you got the shot.
Study link:
http://tiny.cc/0bqf001
Found via Liz Wheeler's X account.
http://tiny.cc/2bqf001
Posted by: bonhomme at April 07, 2025 04:42 PM (lIio7)
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303 I don't think this is how vaccines are supposed to work.
A study of the 2024-2025 flu vaccine found it was -27% effective. That means you were 27% MORE likely to get the flu if you got the shot.
Study link:
http://tiny.cc/0bqf001
Found via Liz Wheeler's X account.
http://tiny.cc/2bqf001
Posted by: bonhomme at April 07, 2025 04:42 PM (lIio7)
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Firing people at HHS will lead to more people getting sick!
A study of the 2024-2025 flu vaccine found it was -27% effective. That means you were 27% MORE likely to get the flu if you got the shot.
Study link:
http://tiny.cc/0bqf001
Found via Liz Wheeler's X account.
http://tiny.cc/2bqf001
Posted by: bonhomme at April 07, 2025 04:42 PM (lIio7)
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Firing people at HHS will lead to more people getting sick!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:43 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Zoomer that Can't Afford a Home at April 07, 2025 04:43 PM (b34po)
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Jefferson and Adams, who else? I didn't look either.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
Hint: Some Like It Hot
Jefferson and Adams, who else? I didn't look either.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
Hint: Some Like It Hot
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:43 PM (7D215)
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And remember: The beginning and the end of "he isn't a gang member" is the sole say-so of this guy.
None of the government's proof that he is actually a violent gang member has been entered into the record anywhere.
But yeah, if you want to believe Salvadorian gangs have a kill order against some poor fellow who only made pulpusas, go ahead.
But, I'm going to say you don't come to the attention of gang members, even in Central America, for the crime of cooking tasty massa-filled meals.
Food Wars is a show on Food Network, not a reality in Salvador.
None of the government's proof that he is actually a violent gang member has been entered into the record anywhere.
But yeah, if you want to believe Salvadorian gangs have a kill order against some poor fellow who only made pulpusas, go ahead.
But, I'm going to say you don't come to the attention of gang members, even in Central America, for the crime of cooking tasty massa-filled meals.
Food Wars is a show on Food Network, not a reality in Salvador.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 07, 2025 04:43 PM (xFA3k)
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Look, if tariffs destroy national economies, then why haven't they done so to countries that have been using them for the last 50 years?
Posted by: Archer at April 07, 2025 04:43 PM (IDphi)
Posted by: Orson at April 07, 2025 04:43 PM (dIske)
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The boycotts are to protest DOGE, companies dropping DEI, and people who make money by providing goods and services that other people want. Gee, it would be too bad if these boycotts fizzled.
I don't recall the media promoting and advertising the Bud Light boycott. Weird.
Posted by: Emmie at April 07, 2025 04:41 PM (9b91n)
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None of the protesters patronize these businesses. There will be no effect, other than to remind everyone else that they haven't shopped in certain places and should maybe drop in.
I don't recall the media promoting and advertising the Bud Light boycott. Weird.
Posted by: Emmie at April 07, 2025 04:41 PM (9b91n)
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None of the protesters patronize these businesses. There will be no effect, other than to remind everyone else that they haven't shopped in certain places and should maybe drop in.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 07, 2025 04:43 PM (ZOv7s)
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The Marshal Plan isn't USAID
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 07, 2025 04:43 PM (17l0u)
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The EU has nothing to do with economics. It is a plan to create a 'superpower' to counterbalance the US
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Yep, but why was it necessary to "counterbalance" the US, unless its progenitors were at least secretly if not openly anti-American?
To hell with protecting Europe. Let Europe stand or fall on its own.
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Yep, but why was it necessary to "counterbalance" the US, unless its progenitors were at least secretly if not openly anti-American?
To hell with protecting Europe. Let Europe stand or fall on its own.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 04:43 PM (YqDXo)
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Even if a district court judge had the power to order Trump to retrieve a deported illegal alien/MS-13 gang member, they don't, how was Trump supposed to force El Salvador to turn over one of their citizens?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 07, 2025 04:38 PM (LkLld)
They have a contract with us to guard them at pretty good money for el-Salvador. And they get the prisoners to grow their food and make useful items. They would turn them over if asked, Trump just uses diplomatic issues as an example of why these TRO activist judges have no right to interfere.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 07, 2025 04:38 PM (LkLld)
They have a contract with us to guard them at pretty good money for el-Salvador. And they get the prisoners to grow their food and make useful items. They would turn them over if asked, Trump just uses diplomatic issues as an example of why these TRO activist judges have no right to interfere.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:44 PM (n7h9X)
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Anybody who watches the Dow30 instead of the S&P500 and the Russell 2000 is a fucking retard.
It's 30 stocks. It simply isn't statistically relevant.
1 month:
RUT -10.35%
NASDAQ -10.68%
S&P500 -10.11%
Dow -9.42%
It's 30 stocks. It simply isn't statistically relevant.
1 month:
RUT -10.35%
NASDAQ -10.68%
S&P500 -10.11%
Dow -9.42%
Posted by: Archimedes at April 07, 2025 04:44 PM (xCA6C)
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308 Look, if tariffs destroy national economies, then why haven't they done so to countries that have been using them for the last 50 years?
Posted by: Archer at April 07, 2025 04:43 PM (IDphi
One way tariffs.
Posted by: Archer at April 07, 2025 04:43 PM (IDphi
One way tariffs.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 07, 2025 04:44 PM (17l0u)
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the Marshall Plan. The original massive slush fund to fund all kinds of shenanigans, wherein many people got fabulously wealthy off the American middle class, including many wealthy Americans.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Also, I get the impression, to restore enough wealth to Europeans for them to entertain luxury issues like socialism.
the Marshall Plan. The original massive slush fund to fund all kinds of shenanigans, wherein many people got fabulously wealthy off the American middle class, including many wealthy Americans.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Also, I get the impression, to restore enough wealth to Europeans for them to entertain luxury issues like socialism.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 04:44 PM (3izae)
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>>In that Xeet he didn't name the good guys vs bad guys. I don't know how he views the EU, and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night. I'm just tossing things I read into the discussion to get feedback because I'm not expert on macroeconomics.
It's more the hypocrisy of the laptop crowd that is so grating. The EU has been sticking it to us for years. I used to do a fair amount of business there and between tariffs and market exclusions we were only able to win a fraction of the amount of business we could have won on a level playing field.
Meanwhile, the EU has almost unfettered access to our markets. This has been going on for decades and like the old saying goes, the ratchet only turned one way. Then they would pat us on the head, ignore their NATO dues and expect us to constantly protect them and bail them out while they spent like kings building their giant welfare states.
They know they can't compete with us on a level playing field so they don't try. And lots of people made big money investing in that rigged game. That game is over.
It's more the hypocrisy of the laptop crowd that is so grating. The EU has been sticking it to us for years. I used to do a fair amount of business there and between tariffs and market exclusions we were only able to win a fraction of the amount of business we could have won on a level playing field.
Meanwhile, the EU has almost unfettered access to our markets. This has been going on for decades and like the old saying goes, the ratchet only turned one way. Then they would pat us on the head, ignore their NATO dues and expect us to constantly protect them and bail them out while they spent like kings building their giant welfare states.
They know they can't compete with us on a level playing field so they don't try. And lots of people made big money investing in that rigged game. That game is over.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 07, 2025 04:44 PM (LkLld)
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2025 04:44 PM (fK6LX)
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318 they can tip the weak economy into recession
Dude, we've been in recession for FOUR years now.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2025 04:44 PM (fK6LX
Dirty little secret.
Dude, we've been in recession for FOUR years now.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2025 04:44 PM (fK6LX
Dirty little secret.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 07, 2025 04:45 PM (17l0u)
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I'm also worried about the effect it will have on the MAGA agenda. Small businesses rely on cheap Chinese imports of stupid things like false eyelashes and cosmetics*. Do we need to "reindustrialize" in order to have that shyte made in factories overseen by OSHA? Meanwhile, 2026 looms.
*Yes, I posted this before.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 04:26 PM (3izae)
given the chance that in the near future there may be one tenth of the timber industry in my state, or one tenth of the manufacturing in Indiana as there was in 1980 I am going to harden my heart
It is going to be a competition between, "you can get plastic crap that is really cheap" and "your kids will be able to own a home"
*Yes, I posted this before.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 04:26 PM (3izae)
given the chance that in the near future there may be one tenth of the timber industry in my state, or one tenth of the manufacturing in Indiana as there was in 1980 I am going to harden my heart
It is going to be a competition between, "you can get plastic crap that is really cheap" and "your kids will be able to own a home"
Posted by: Kindltot at April 07, 2025 04:45 PM (D7oie)
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Yep, but why was it necessary to "counterbalance" the US, unless its progenitors were at least secretly if not openly anti-American?
To hell with protecting Europe. Let Europe stand or fall on its own.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 04:43 PM (YqDXo)
Openly, of course. Europe dreams of empire until it comes to paying for it and working for it. Then they go to lunch and drink 4 bottles of wine.
Yep, but why was it necessary to "counterbalance" the US, unless its progenitors were at least secretly if not openly anti-American?
To hell with protecting Europe. Let Europe stand or fall on its own.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 04:43 PM (YqDXo)
Openly, of course. Europe dreams of empire until it comes to paying for it and working for it. Then they go to lunch and drink 4 bottles of wine.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:45 PM (n7h9X)
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Gotta respectfully disagree. The Marshall Plan worked to put Europe back on its feet to stem the rising tide of Communist agitation fueled by European economic woes after the war. It may have made some wealthy Americans more wealthy, but if so, it was worth the price, IMO.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 04:41 PM (YqDXo)
That is the typical story. And hell, maybe people believed it. And maybe you're right -- it was politically a good move.
But it was economically horrible for the US. I don't think anyone ever got to vote on that trade off. "You'll get poorer, we'll get richer, BUT we'll be able to use some of this money to have OSS / future CIA guys give briefcases full of cash to Italian political groups to ensure that Italy doesn't become a communist country."
I'm not sure how many people would have taken that deal. Maybe a war-weary country would have.
But I would say the Marshall Plan was the beginning of our structural economic woes. Because it has only escalated from there. AND that's assuming the arguments in favor of the marshall plan were made in good faith. I don't have a lot of faith in politicians acting in good faith.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 04:41 PM (YqDXo)
That is the typical story. And hell, maybe people believed it. And maybe you're right -- it was politically a good move.
But it was economically horrible for the US. I don't think anyone ever got to vote on that trade off. "You'll get poorer, we'll get richer, BUT we'll be able to use some of this money to have OSS / future CIA guys give briefcases full of cash to Italian political groups to ensure that Italy doesn't become a communist country."
I'm not sure how many people would have taken that deal. Maybe a war-weary country would have.
But I would say the Marshall Plan was the beginning of our structural economic woes. Because it has only escalated from there. AND that's assuming the arguments in favor of the marshall plan were made in good faith. I don't have a lot of faith in politicians acting in good faith.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 07, 2025 04:45 PM (uCjyK)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 04:45 PM (3izae)
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318 they can tip the weak economy into recession
Dude, we've been in recession for FOUR years now.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2025 04:44 PM (fK6LX)
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That's called a depression.
Dude, we've been in recession for FOUR years now.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2025 04:44 PM (fK6LX)
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That's called a depression.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:45 PM (GBKbO)
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Dude, we've been in recession for FOUR years now.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2025 04:44 PM (fK6LX)
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Compare GDP growth from Obama to Biden with the national debt.
We've been contracting for a long time.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2025 04:44 PM (fK6LX)
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Compare GDP growth from Obama to Biden with the national debt.
We've been contracting for a long time.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 07, 2025 04:46 PM (ZOv7s)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:46 PM (7D215)
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325 Compare GDP growth from Obama to Biden with the national debt.
We've been contracting for a long time.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 07, 2025 04:46 PM (ZOv7s)
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But GDP positive, so we're good.
Right?
Right?!
We've been contracting for a long time.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 07, 2025 04:46 PM (ZOv7s)
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But GDP positive, so we're good.
Right?
Right?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:46 PM (GBKbO)
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>>They have a contract with us to guard them at pretty good money for el-Salvador. And they get the prisoners to grow their food and make useful items. They would turn them over if asked, Trump just uses diplomatic issues as an example of why these TRO activist judges have no right to interfere.
It still doesn't preclude the fact that his is a citizen of El Salvador not the US.
It still doesn't preclude the fact that his is a citizen of El Salvador not the US.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 07, 2025 04:46 PM (LkLld)
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It was not some natural unstoppable process that destroyed our industrial base (the rust belt), it was purposeful decisions made for various reasons, but to sum it up: the politicians and deep state did not care at all about who they fucked over to get the power and money they wanted for themselves.
And a fair amount of the outside-the-Rust-Belt hollowing has happened in the last 20 years. Furniture and textiles were still made here not that long ago and could be again.
And a fair amount of the outside-the-Rust-Belt hollowing has happened in the last 20 years. Furniture and textiles were still made here not that long ago and could be again.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 07, 2025 04:46 PM (2ocoG)
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ready to agree to zero tariffs in exchange for zero tariffs
What about subsidies? Because tariffs aren't the only chokeholds on free trade.
What about subsidies? Because tariffs aren't the only chokeholds on free trade.
Posted by: GWB at April 07, 2025 04:47 PM (fK6LX)
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given the chance that in the near future there may be one tenth of the timber industry in my state, or one tenth of the manufacturing in Indiana as there was in 1980 I am going to harden my heart
It is going to be a competition between, "you can get plastic crap that is really cheap" and "your kids will be able to own a home"
Posted by: Kindltot at April 07, 2025 04:45 PM (D7oi
That is exactly the kind of economic trade off we're talking about.
Shitty clothes hangars at Walmart will likely get more expensive.
But maybe your kid can accord to buy a house and get married and settle down.
Seems like a no brainer to me.
It is going to be a competition between, "you can get plastic crap that is really cheap" and "your kids will be able to own a home"
Posted by: Kindltot at April 07, 2025 04:45 PM (D7oi
That is exactly the kind of economic trade off we're talking about.
Shitty clothes hangars at Walmart will likely get more expensive.
But maybe your kid can accord to buy a house and get married and settle down.
Seems like a no brainer to me.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 07, 2025 04:47 PM (uCjyK)
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Firing people at HHS will lead to more people getting sick!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:43 PM (GBKbO)
Fire that guy who was supposed to keep me from getting every respiratory virus that is on the loose.
That guy is asshoe.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:43 PM (GBKbO)
Fire that guy who was supposed to keep me from getting every respiratory virus that is on the loose.
That guy is asshoe.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:47 PM (i24o9)
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With falling oil prices, there's going to be a pinch on expansionist plans by our adversaries. The Ural crude oil price is approaching $50 a barrel. The current price is $52.76. The Russian 2025 budget factored in $70 per barrel.
Oops.
Oops.
Posted by: mrp at April 07, 2025 04:47 PM (rj6Yv)
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We will have dislocations.
Fuck these short term traders.
Fuck these short term traders.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 07, 2025 04:47 PM (lhUZr)
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> The EU has been sticking it to us for years. I used to do a fair amount of business there and between tariffs and market exclusions we were only able to win a fraction of the amount of business we could have won on a level playing field.
I've heard that the UK business world is particularly hard to break into because all of the bigwigs have known each other since they all went to the same few exclusive schools from age three onward. Many won't do business with anyone they haven't known all their lives.
I've heard that the UK business world is particularly hard to break into because all of the bigwigs have known each other since they all went to the same few exclusive schools from age three onward. Many won't do business with anyone they haven't known all their lives.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 07, 2025 04:47 PM (lIio7)
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333 With falling oil prices, there's going to be a pinch on expansionist plans by our adversaries. The Ural crude oil price is approaching $50 a barrel. The current price is $52.76. The Russian 2025 budget factored in $70 per barrel.
Oops.
Posted by: mrp at April 07, 2025 04:47 PM (rj6Yv)
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Just what a Russian stooge would do...
Oops.
Posted by: mrp at April 07, 2025 04:47 PM (rj6Yv)
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Just what a Russian stooge would do...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:47 PM (GBKbO)
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298 Semi-OT
Here's a list of the boycotts that the left and the media BIRM are promoting:
Walmart – April 7-14
Economic Blackout 2 – April 18
General Mills – April 21-28
Amazon Boycott 2 – May 6-12
Walmart Boycott 2 - May 20 to 26
Target Boycott - June 3 to 9
McDonald's Boycott - June 24 to 30
Independence Day Boycott – July 4
Well, now we know when to shop at these places - McD's has a good lemonade slushie during the summer months, so its a good time to hit their drive thru
Here's a list of the boycotts that the left and the media BIRM are promoting:
Walmart – April 7-14
Economic Blackout 2 – April 18
General Mills – April 21-28
Amazon Boycott 2 – May 6-12
Walmart Boycott 2 - May 20 to 26
Target Boycott - June 3 to 9
McDonald's Boycott - June 24 to 30
Independence Day Boycott – July 4
Well, now we know when to shop at these places - McD's has a good lemonade slushie during the summer months, so its a good time to hit their drive thru
Posted by: Moki at April 07, 2025 04:47 PM (wLjpr)
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None of the protesters patronize these businesses. There will be no effect, other than to remind everyone else that they haven't shopped in certain places and should maybe drop in.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 07, 2025 04:43 PM (ZOv7s)
The lefties I know are rabid Target fans, especially since Target kicked out the Salvation Army, allowed male perverts in the Ladies room, and sold tranny kids clothes designed by satanists. Plus, it's more chi chi than Walmart.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 07, 2025 04:43 PM (ZOv7s)
The lefties I know are rabid Target fans, especially since Target kicked out the Salvation Army, allowed male perverts in the Ladies room, and sold tranny kids clothes designed by satanists. Plus, it's more chi chi than Walmart.
Posted by: Emmie at April 07, 2025 04:48 PM (9b91n)
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It's simple.
If we don't start building a manufacturing middle class, this country will not survive.
Period. Full stop.
My concern is that Dems get back in office and simply reverse everything Trump is gonna do.
This shit can't continue.
We can't survive with just IT and business degrees. Especially with AI now.
People have to have a job. Otherwise we will not survive.
If we don't start building a manufacturing middle class, this country will not survive.
Period. Full stop.
My concern is that Dems get back in office and simply reverse everything Trump is gonna do.
This shit can't continue.
We can't survive with just IT and business degrees. Especially with AI now.
People have to have a job. Otherwise we will not survive.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 07, 2025 04:48 PM (17l0u)
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One fond memory I have from school is a smart-ass know it all student proclaiming that the EU will be the world's next superpower and getting his ass slapped down quickly and elegantly by Dr Fleischer.
"Europe has been at war with itself since before Charlemagne, and you think they are going to build a stable economic organization? You may need to rethink your major."
Student disappeared the following semester.
"Europe has been at war with itself since before Charlemagne, and you think they are going to build a stable economic organization? You may need to rethink your major."
Student disappeared the following semester.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 04:48 PM (jH5TK)
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I don't think this is how vaccines are supposed to work.
A study of the 2024-2025 flu vaccine found it was -27% effective. That means you were 27% MORE likely to get the flu if you got the shot.
Study link:
http://tiny.cc/0bqf001
Posted by: bonhomme at April 07, 2025 04:42 PM (lIio7)
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Selection bias. People who got the shot were more likely to be in dodgy health in the first place, and when the vaccine did f-all ...
A study of the 2024-2025 flu vaccine found it was -27% effective. That means you were 27% MORE likely to get the flu if you got the shot.
Study link:
http://tiny.cc/0bqf001
Posted by: bonhomme at April 07, 2025 04:42 PM (lIio7)
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Selection bias. People who got the shot were more likely to be in dodgy health in the first place, and when the vaccine did f-all ...
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 04:49 PM (YqDXo)
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But I would say the Marshall Plan was the beginning of our structural economic woes. Because it has only escalated from there. AND that's assuming the arguments in favor of the marshall plan were made in good faith. I don't have a lot of faith in politicians acting in good faith.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 07, 2025 04:45 PM (uCjyK)
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Seriously, this is way out there. Compared to current outlays, the Marshall Plan was small and by the way, at that point we held most of the Free World's gold and also huge amounts of their debt. The only way France, Germany, Italy and the UK were every going to be economically viable is if we rebuilt their infrastructure and helped them finance their recovery. We were creating markets we could then use for exports.
The world economy in 1948 was nothing like it was in 1978.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 07, 2025 04:45 PM (uCjyK)
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Seriously, this is way out there. Compared to current outlays, the Marshall Plan was small and by the way, at that point we held most of the Free World's gold and also huge amounts of their debt. The only way France, Germany, Italy and the UK were every going to be economically viable is if we rebuilt their infrastructure and helped them finance their recovery. We were creating markets we could then use for exports.
The world economy in 1948 was nothing like it was in 1978.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 07, 2025 04:49 PM (ZOv7s)
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I've heard that the UK business world is particularly hard to break into because all of the bigwigs have known each other since they all went to the same few exclusive schools from age three onward. Many won't do business with anyone they haven't known all their lives.
More importantly, they've all been buggering each other since they went to the same few exclusive schools. They don't trust someone they haven't buggered.
More importantly, they've all been buggering each other since they went to the same few exclusive schools. They don't trust someone they haven't buggered.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 07, 2025 04:49 PM (xCA6C)
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I need an editor.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 07, 2025 04:49 PM (lIio7)
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US Stocks Down 4% on Tariff Fears
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Oh no, not a small dip / buying opportunity because of something that is actually happening in real life.
Anyone else remember when Roku and other tech stocks sank a few years ago? Not one person anywhere said "I don't think I want tech stocks to continue doing well." It was all fake. All algorithms. And little nobodies lost tons of money.
At least this one has the chance to improve quality of life.
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Oh no, not a small dip / buying opportunity because of something that is actually happening in real life.
Anyone else remember when Roku and other tech stocks sank a few years ago? Not one person anywhere said "I don't think I want tech stocks to continue doing well." It was all fake. All algorithms. And little nobodies lost tons of money.
At least this one has the chance to improve quality of life.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 07, 2025 04:49 PM (zJgD/)
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They know they can't compete with us on a level playing field so they don't try. And lots of people made big money investing in that rigged game. That game is over.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 07, 2025 04:44 PM (LkLld)
some of the loons I follow also think the EU Central banks depend on cheap US Dollars to keep them afloat, and the unfetter access to the US markets to keep them solvent. Higher Fed rates and now the tariffs are causing them no end of problems, since they are not able to finance their debt. France lost the Central African Franc to generate them money, and Germany just decided to give itself a higher ceiling on debt.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 07, 2025 04:44 PM (LkLld)
some of the loons I follow also think the EU Central banks depend on cheap US Dollars to keep them afloat, and the unfetter access to the US markets to keep them solvent. Higher Fed rates and now the tariffs are causing them no end of problems, since they are not able to finance their debt. France lost the Central African Franc to generate them money, and Germany just decided to give itself a higher ceiling on debt.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 07, 2025 04:49 PM (D7oie)
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The lefties I know are rabid Target fans, especially since Target kicked out the Salvation Army, allowed male perverts in the Ladies room, and sold tranny kids clothes designed by satanists. Plus, it's more chi chi than Walmart.
Posted by: Emmie at April 07, 2025 04:48 PM (9b91n)
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Then I'm all for it. Going long on domestic popcorn.
Posted by: Emmie at April 07, 2025 04:48 PM (9b91n)
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Then I'm all for it. Going long on domestic popcorn.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 07, 2025 04:50 PM (ZOv7s)
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I'm also worried about the effect it will have on the MAGA agenda. Small businesses rely on cheap Chinese imports of stupid things like false eyelashes and cosmetics*. Do we need to "reindustrialize" in order to have that shyte made in factories overseen by OSHA? Meanwhile, 2026 looms.
*Yes, I posted this before.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 04:26 PM (3izae)
I imagine even China will bend, they need to export. Meanwhile you could get similar geegaws from Vietnam, Japan, and the like or pay 10 c instead of 5 c per item.
A lot of these things could be "reindustrialized" easily - computer cables, say that are 20 bucks or 10 from china but could be assembled by a small roomful of workers using easy to find tools. When I was in college the Uni Lab made their own cables and connectors.
*Yes, I posted this before.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 04:26 PM (3izae)
I imagine even China will bend, they need to export. Meanwhile you could get similar geegaws from Vietnam, Japan, and the like or pay 10 c instead of 5 c per item.
A lot of these things could be "reindustrialized" easily - computer cables, say that are 20 bucks or 10 from china but could be assembled by a small roomful of workers using easy to find tools. When I was in college the Uni Lab made their own cables and connectors.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:50 PM (n7h9X)
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I need an editor.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 07, 2025 04:49 PM (lIio7)
You'd settle for: A competent Copilot.
You'll get: Nothing and like it.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 07, 2025 04:49 PM (lIio7)
You'd settle for: A competent Copilot.
You'll get: Nothing and like it.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:50 PM (i24o9)
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Stability is overrated. *Dead* is stable.
Posted by: Geoff Shotts at April 07, 2025 04:50 PM (13ivK)
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One fond memory I have from school is a smart-ass know it all student proclaiming that the EU will be the world's next superpower and getting his ass slapped down quickly and elegantly by Dr Fleischer.
"Europe has been at war with itself since before Charlemagne, and you think they are going to build a stable economic organization? You may need to rethink your major."
Student disappeared the following semester.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 04:48 PM (jH5TK)
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Kid was stupid enough to believe European wishful thinking, and parallel propaganda.
"Europe has been at war with itself since before Charlemagne, and you think they are going to build a stable economic organization? You may need to rethink your major."
Student disappeared the following semester.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 04:48 PM (jH5TK)
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Kid was stupid enough to believe European wishful thinking, and parallel propaganda.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 04:51 PM (YqDXo)
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The lefties I know are rabid Target fans, especially since Target kicked out the Salvation Army, allowed male perverts in the Ladies room, and sold tranny kids clothes designed by satanists. Plus, it's more chi chi than Walmart.
Posted by: Emmie at April 07, 2025 04:48 PM (9b91n)
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Then I'm all for it. Going long on domestic popcorn.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 07, 2025 04:50 PM (ZOv7s)
Like a lot of things, they talk up Target but don't shop there.
Posted by: Emmie at April 07, 2025 04:48 PM (9b91n)
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Then I'm all for it. Going long on domestic popcorn.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 07, 2025 04:50 PM (ZOv7s)
Like a lot of things, they talk up Target but don't shop there.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:51 PM (n7h9X)
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A study of the 2024-2025 flu vaccine found it was -27% effective. That means you were 27% MORE likely to get the flu if you got the shot.
Study link:
http://tiny.cc/0bqf001
Posted by: bonhomme
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Well sure, but just imagine how much worse it would've been if they hadn't gotten the shot.
Study link:
http://tiny.cc/0bqf001
Posted by: bonhomme
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Well sure, but just imagine how much worse it would've been if they hadn't gotten the shot.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 07, 2025 04:51 PM (zJgD/)
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Fire that guy who was supposed to keep me from getting every respiratory virus that is on the loose.
That guy is asshoe.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:47 PM (i24o9)
The one that lasts two weeks, causes high fever, cough, nausea and in my daughter's case turned into pneumonia? Yeah, I'd like a word with that guy.
Fire that guy who was supposed to keep me from getting every respiratory virus that is on the loose.
That guy is asshoe.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 07, 2025 04:47 PM (i24o9)
The one that lasts two weeks, causes high fever, cough, nausea and in my daughter's case turned into pneumonia? Yeah, I'd like a word with that guy.
Posted by: Moki at April 07, 2025 04:51 PM (wLjpr)
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It is entirely possible for an economic policy to be a good idea in one decade, and a terrible idea in a later one.
Similarly, an alliance with a given nation can be mutually beneficial in one era, and parasitic in the next.
Our leadership has basically decided that it's always 1948 and RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA is the main adversary and we need to take it up the butt to "save" Europe.
No.
Similarly, an alliance with a given nation can be mutually beneficial in one era, and parasitic in the next.
Our leadership has basically decided that it's always 1948 and RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA is the main adversary and we need to take it up the butt to "save" Europe.
No.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 07, 2025 04:51 PM (ZOv7s)
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You know who else is upset?
All the congresscritters whose portfolios outperformed everyone in the market.
First Trump cut their USAID grift and now he is tanking their insider trading.
All the congresscritters whose portfolios outperformed everyone in the market.
First Trump cut their USAID grift and now he is tanking their insider trading.
Posted by: Sam at April 07, 2025 04:51 PM (7jMef)
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China and Germany are probably in recession, and those two export economies can only recover by growing exports and, since we are their largest market, they want to save themselves by growing exports to America. Trump says no.
China and Germany will be eager to make deals, I believe.
China and Germany will be eager to make deals, I believe.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 07, 2025 04:51 PM (tY6Sj)
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The EU has nothing to do with economics. It is a plan to create a 'superpower' to counterbalance the US
And it does it by being a cargo-cult imitation of the US, except retarded.
The US works because all 50 states speak the same languages and have broadly the same laws and customs. You can move from any state to any other state and while there will be culture shock, you'll be able to function on day 1. Economists call it "labor mobility". It's California's greatest enemy.
In the EU if an Italian wants to move to Germany, they have to learn German and kinky sex, at a bare minimum. (Make up your own things for other countries).
And it does it by being a cargo-cult imitation of the US, except retarded.
The US works because all 50 states speak the same languages and have broadly the same laws and customs. You can move from any state to any other state and while there will be culture shock, you'll be able to function on day 1. Economists call it "labor mobility". It's California's greatest enemy.
In the EU if an Italian wants to move to Germany, they have to learn German and kinky sex, at a bare minimum. (Make up your own things for other countries).
Posted by: Ian S. at April 07, 2025 04:51 PM (2ocoG)
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the EPA (and state level EPAs) killed our industry - it was a slow death by a thousand cuts
reign them in, we're golden to make ANYTHING here, better than anywhere else!
reign them in, we're golden to make ANYTHING here, better than anywhere else!
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 07, 2025 04:52 PM (Pv3Rg)
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Everything I know about trade wars I learned from The Phantom Menace. So, my prediction: We're all getting red laser swords and Jar Jar Binks is inbound.
Posted by: Millennials at April 07, 2025 04:52 PM (guCHD)
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Jon Hamm is best in Travel Man with Richard Ayoade:
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Is this funnier then Bad Santa?
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Is this funnier then Bad Santa?
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 07, 2025 04:52 PM (pZ64F)
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Kid was stupid enough to believe European wishful thinking, and parallel propaganda.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 04:51 PM (YqDXo)
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Joke in the class was that he only majored in Econ because he really liked Alex P Keaton.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 04:51 PM (YqDXo)
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Joke in the class was that he only majored in Econ because he really liked Alex P Keaton.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 07, 2025 04:52 PM (jH5TK)
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A lot of these things could be "reindustrialized" easily - computer cables, say that are 20 bucks or 10 from china but could be assembled by a small roomful of workers using easy to find tools. When I was in college the Uni Lab made their own cables and connectors.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:50 PM (n7h9X)
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A natural for Ghetto Enterprises, Inc.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:50 PM (n7h9X)
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A natural for Ghetto Enterprises, Inc.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 04:52 PM (YqDXo)
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The lefties I know are rabid Target fans, especially since Target kicked out the Salvation Army, allowed male perverts in the Ladies room, and sold tranny kids clothes designed by satanists. Plus, it's more chi chi than Walmart.
Posted by: Emmie at April 07, 2025 04:48 PM (9b91n)
I will say that it is more likely for Target to open an in-store bar, than Walmart
Posted by: Emmie at April 07, 2025 04:48 PM (9b91n)
I will say that it is more likely for Target to open an in-store bar, than Walmart
Posted by: Kindltot at April 07, 2025 04:52 PM (D7oie)
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New one: Roberts
Posted by: Archimedes at April 07, 2025 04:52 PM (xCA6C)
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given the chance that in the near future there may be one tenth of the timber industry in my state, or one tenth of the manufacturing in Indiana as there was in 1980 I am going to harden my heart
It is going to be a competition between, "you can get plastic crap that is really cheap" and "your kids will be able to own a home"
Posted by: Kindltot
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The aesthetician (eyelash girl) I'm thinking about will have to move back in with her mother if her supplies double in price -- and she and her boyfriend are already deferring marriage and parenthood because they can't get their feet on the ground financially. So "your kids can buy a house" is already moot for them, and I suspect many many others. This could be bad for America's future on so many levels.
given the chance that in the near future there may be one tenth of the timber industry in my state, or one tenth of the manufacturing in Indiana as there was in 1980 I am going to harden my heart
It is going to be a competition between, "you can get plastic crap that is really cheap" and "your kids will be able to own a home"
Posted by: Kindltot
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The aesthetician (eyelash girl) I'm thinking about will have to move back in with her mother if her supplies double in price -- and she and her boyfriend are already deferring marriage and parenthood because they can't get their feet on the ground financially. So "your kids can buy a house" is already moot for them, and I suspect many many others. This could be bad for America's future on so many levels.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 04:52 PM (3izae)
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361 Jon Hamm is best in Travel Man with Richard Ayoade:
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Is this funnier then Bad Santa?
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 07, 2025 04:52 PM (pZ64F)
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Probably not.
But I do find Richard Ayoade funny.
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Is this funnier then Bad Santa?
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Probably not.
But I do find Richard Ayoade funny.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:53 PM (GBKbO)
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Nood pervert "justice"
Nood pervert "justice"
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 07, 2025 04:53 PM (7D215)
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311 The Marshal Plan isn't USAID
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 07, 2025 04:43 PM (17l0u)
It basically was. It was used as a slush fund by the OSS / CIA (technically the CIA didn't exist until '47).
It was walking around money to fund the right people to do the right things.
USAID was created in the '60s for the same purpose.
You can argue that paying off Nazi industrialists to fight against Communist agitators or whatever was a worthwhile political move.
Economically it was a horrible move for the US. We had, essentially, a manufacturing monopoly after the war. The rest of the industrialized world was bombed to shit. We could have chosen to ride that wave for a generation and create unbelievable wealth here (ie: keep the 1950's boom going). We decided to spread the wealth instead.*
*with the people doing the spreading getting unbelievably wealthy, of course. They gotta dip their beaks, after all.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 07, 2025 04:43 PM (17l0u)
It basically was. It was used as a slush fund by the OSS / CIA (technically the CIA didn't exist until '47).
It was walking around money to fund the right people to do the right things.
USAID was created in the '60s for the same purpose.
You can argue that paying off Nazi industrialists to fight against Communist agitators or whatever was a worthwhile political move.
Economically it was a horrible move for the US. We had, essentially, a manufacturing monopoly after the war. The rest of the industrialized world was bombed to shit. We could have chosen to ride that wave for a generation and create unbelievable wealth here (ie: keep the 1950's boom going). We decided to spread the wealth instead.*
*with the people doing the spreading getting unbelievably wealthy, of course. They gotta dip their beaks, after all.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 07, 2025 04:53 PM (uCjyK)
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A lot of these things could be "reindustrialized" easily - computer cables, say that are 20 bucks or 10 from china but could be assembled by a small roomful of workers using easy to find tools. When I was in college the Uni Lab made their own cables and connectors.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:50 PM (n7h9X)
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The biggest constraint is floor space and access to utilities. Modern manufacturing radically shortens the time needed to produce tooling.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:50 PM (n7h9X)
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The biggest constraint is floor space and access to utilities. Modern manufacturing radically shortens the time needed to produce tooling.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 07, 2025 04:53 PM (ZOv7s)
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 07, 2025 04:53 PM (Pv3Rg)
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Germany was a pretty strong manufacturer, not long ago
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 07, 2025 04:54 PM (NtVYv)
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Economically it was a horrible move for the US. We had, essentially, a manufacturing monopoly after the war.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 07, 2025 04:53 PM (uCjyK)
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And a Soviet Europe.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 07, 2025 04:53 PM (uCjyK)
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And a Soviet Europe.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at April 07, 2025 04:54 PM (ZOv7s)
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some of the loons I follow also think the EU Central banks depend on cheap US Dollars to keep them afloat, and the unfetter access to the US markets to keep them solvent. Higher Fed rates and now the tariffs are causing them no end of problems, since they are not able to finance their debt. France lost the Central African Franc to generate them money, and Germany just decided to give itself a higher ceiling on debt.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 07, 2025 04:49 PM (D7oie)
They are trying to hide 20 years of corruption - they buried the losses to their side of the 2008 crash and have been deficit spending despite it being illegal by other fudges. And of course now they are attacking and oppressing parties that are the first or second largest in their political system. Bills are coming due.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 07, 2025 04:49 PM (D7oie)
They are trying to hide 20 years of corruption - they buried the losses to their side of the 2008 crash and have been deficit spending despite it being illegal by other fudges. And of course now they are attacking and oppressing parties that are the first or second largest in their political system. Bills are coming due.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:54 PM (n7h9X)
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371 361 Jon Hamm is best in Travel Man with Richard Ayoade:
hold on hold on
Richard Ayoade!!!!
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 07, 2025 04:53 PM (Pv3Rg)
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Is that a fangirl squee?
hold on hold on
Richard Ayoade!!!!
Posted by: Black Orchid at April 07, 2025 04:53 PM (Pv3Rg)
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Is that a fangirl squee?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 07, 2025 04:54 PM (GBKbO)
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Just remember that the regulatory environment and labor unions largely killed most of our countries industries. That and a taxation system that all in Congress were happy to perpetuate while Americans citizens took it in the ass.
Posted by: Vengeance at April 07, 2025 04:55 PM (x+FIc)
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"Europe has been at war with itself since before Charlemagne, and you think they are going to build a stable economic organization? You may need to rethink your major."
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Pax Romana ... Pax Americana. Everything in between was constant warfare.
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Pax Romana ... Pax Americana. Everything in between was constant warfare.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 04:55 PM (YqDXo)
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Germany was a pretty strong manufacturer, not long ago
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 07, 2025 04:54 PM (NtVYv)
it was the Germans who killed that. Just like they killed their once decent defense forces.
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 07, 2025 04:54 PM (NtVYv)
it was the Germans who killed that. Just like they killed their once decent defense forces.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 04:56 PM (n7h9X)
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The aesthetician (eyelash girl) I'm thinking about will have to move back in with her mother if her supplies double in price -- and she and her boyfriend are already deferring marriage and parenthood because they can't get their feet on the ground financially. So "your kids can buy a house" is already moot for them, and I suspect many many others. This could be bad for America's future on so many levels.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 04:52 PM (3izae)
It would be nice to have other options. edge cases make terrible policy, and estheticians make better income even if there are more expensive synthetic eyelashes, if the mill is open
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 04:52 PM (3izae)
It would be nice to have other options. edge cases make terrible policy, and estheticians make better income even if there are more expensive synthetic eyelashes, if the mill is open
Posted by: Kindltot at April 07, 2025 04:56 PM (D7oie)
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Walmart – April 7-14
Economic Blackout 2 – April 18
General Mills – April 21-28
Amazon Boycott 2 – May 6-12
Walmart Boycott 2 - May 20 to 26
Target Boycott - June 3 to 9
McDonald's Boycott - June 24 to 30
Independence Day Boycott – July 4
Sounds good.
I haven't shopped at Walmart, Target or McDonalds in years anyway. General Mills is mostly goy-slop breakfast carbs and Amazon is run by a piece of shit liberal, too.
Economic Blackout 2 – April 18
General Mills – April 21-28
Amazon Boycott 2 – May 6-12
Walmart Boycott 2 - May 20 to 26
Target Boycott - June 3 to 9
McDonald's Boycott - June 24 to 30
Independence Day Boycott – July 4
Sounds good.
I haven't shopped at Walmart, Target or McDonalds in years anyway. General Mills is mostly goy-slop breakfast carbs and Amazon is run by a piece of shit liberal, too.
Posted by: Horseshoe Theory at April 07, 2025 04:56 PM (b34po)
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Remember that shithead teenager who stabbed an upstanding teenager in the heart, killing him? His GiveSendGo fund is closing in on $200,000. The murderer.
Black social media has been lying their ass off about the circumstances. Some have even been passing around a fake toxicology report claiming the murdered teen was on drugs.
Black social media has been lying their ass off about the circumstances. Some have even been passing around a fake toxicology report claiming the murdered teen was on drugs.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 07, 2025 04:56 PM (lIio7)
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We can't survive with just IT and business degrees. Especially with AI now.
People have to have a job. Otherwise we will not survive.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 07, 2025 04:48 PM (17l0u)
The first thing that has to happen is to get the Government out of the way of progress.
I have an acquaintance who tried to reopen a GOLD MINE in California... and even after all the permits and Enviro studies, got shut down... he did not have any more working capital after going through all the Regulation and Lawfare.
When more than 40% of GDP is Government spent... and ALL a Government actually produces is control... then you do not have a free economy.
People have to have a job. Otherwise we will not survive.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 07, 2025 04:48 PM (17l0u)
The first thing that has to happen is to get the Government out of the way of progress.
I have an acquaintance who tried to reopen a GOLD MINE in California... and even after all the permits and Enviro studies, got shut down... he did not have any more working capital after going through all the Regulation and Lawfare.
When more than 40% of GDP is Government spent... and ALL a Government actually produces is control... then you do not have a free economy.
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 07, 2025 04:56 PM (QAkQ3)
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Small businesses rely on cheap Chinese imports of stupid things like false eyelashes and cosmetics*
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I suspect the vast majority of those small businesses aren't businesses. Not really. Those are mainly lifestyle... I'm not even sure what to call them, with Shanequa selling extensions to Lateesha, and then Lateesha selling lashes to Shanequa. No one has employees, and they're still working at JCPenney to eat while calling themselves CEOs on business cards. Probably quite a bit of it is pyramid scheme / multi-level marketing scam setups, too.
I doubt they're affecting too much one way or the other.
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I suspect the vast majority of those small businesses aren't businesses. Not really. Those are mainly lifestyle... I'm not even sure what to call them, with Shanequa selling extensions to Lateesha, and then Lateesha selling lashes to Shanequa. No one has employees, and they're still working at JCPenney to eat while calling themselves CEOs on business cards. Probably quite a bit of it is pyramid scheme / multi-level marketing scam setups, too.
I doubt they're affecting too much one way or the other.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 07, 2025 04:58 PM (zJgD/)
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The Marshall Plan did for Europe what MacArthur did for Japan: get war torn countries back on their feet, the better to resist Communist agitation.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 04:58 PM (YqDXo)
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The aesthetician (eyelash girl) I'm thinking about will have to move back in with her mother if her supplies double in price -- and she and her boyfriend are already deferring marriage and parenthood because they can't get their feet on the ground financially. So "your kids can buy a house" is already moot for them, and I suspect many many others. This could be bad for America's future on so many levels.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 04:52 PM (3izae)
She might just have to change her style. Put things on Etsy instead of storefront, work on jobs when baby is napping or hubby is home. Women have always done little jobs to earn extra money - weaving, spinning clothes, small farm animals like chickens, ducks, piglets for food and sale.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 04:52 PM (3izae)
She might just have to change her style. Put things on Etsy instead of storefront, work on jobs when baby is napping or hubby is home. Women have always done little jobs to earn extra money - weaving, spinning clothes, small farm animals like chickens, ducks, piglets for food and sale.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 05:00 PM (n7h9X)
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Remember that shithead teenager who stabbed an upstanding teenager in the heart, killing him? His GiveSendGo fund is closing in on $200,000. The murderer.
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Guilt-ridden white liberals strike again.
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Guilt-ridden white liberals strike again.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 05:00 PM (YqDXo)
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Black social media has been lying their ass off about the circumstances. Some have even been passing around a fake toxicology report claiming the murdered teen was on drugs.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 07, 2025 04:56 PM (lIio7)
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You astonish me.
"Hands up! Don't stab!"
Posted by: bonhomme at April 07, 2025 04:56 PM (lIio7)
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You astonish me.
"Hands up! Don't stab!"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 05:01 PM (YqDXo)
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edge cases make terrible policy, and estheticians make better income even if there are more expensive synthetic eyelashes, if the mill is open
Posted by: Kindltot
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I picked the case I know, an aesthetician. But plumbers, electricians, gardeners, housekeepers, mom-and-pop retailers, dance teachers (they sell costumes and shoes and require their students to wear those soft-soled shoes to protect their floors), mechanics, printers... it starts to add up.
edge cases make terrible policy, and estheticians make better income even if there are more expensive synthetic eyelashes, if the mill is open
Posted by: Kindltot
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I picked the case I know, an aesthetician. But plumbers, electricians, gardeners, housekeepers, mom-and-pop retailers, dance teachers (they sell costumes and shoes and require their students to wear those soft-soled shoes to protect their floors), mechanics, printers... it starts to add up.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 05:01 PM (3izae)
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It would be nice to have other options. edge cases make terrible policy, and estheticians make better income even if there are more expensive synthetic eyelashes, if the mill is open
Posted by: Kindltot at April 07, 2025 04:56 PM (D7oie)
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We must protect critical industries, such as domestic fake eyelash manufacturers!
Posted by: Kindltot at April 07, 2025 04:56 PM (D7oie)
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We must protect critical industries, such as domestic fake eyelash manufacturers!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 05:03 PM (YqDXo)
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I suspect the vast majority of those small businesses aren't businesses. Not really. Those are mainly lifestyle... I'm not even sure what to call them, with Shanequa selling extensions to Lateesha, and then Lateesha selling lashes to Shanequa. No one has employees, and they're still working at JCPenney to eat while calling themselves CEOs on business cards. Probably quite a bit of it is pyramid scheme / multi-level marketing scam setups, too.
I doubt they're affecting too much one way or the other.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 07, 2025 04:58 PM (zJgD/)
I follow some foreign 'cat ladies' and the successful ones are working with production companies to build the shirts, cat products (brushes, scratchers, toys they design ) and they take orders for them at conventions for their fans
I doubt they're affecting too much one way or the other.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 07, 2025 04:58 PM (zJgD/)
I follow some foreign 'cat ladies' and the successful ones are working with production companies to build the shirts, cat products (brushes, scratchers, toys they design ) and they take orders for them at conventions for their fans
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 05:03 PM (n7h9X)
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...potentially capping one of the worst market routs in history.
Ja, bullshit. We've had a half-dozen 15% dips over the past 40 years....and not a one of them lasted longer than about six months. If Wall Street got caught short it's because:
a) they didn't believe Trump would actually do this;
b) they really thought that they knew what was going on;
c) they don't actually know how defend their portfolios.
Considering all the gilt-edged, high-powered, heavily-credentialed financial mucky-mucks have never figured out how to manage their own cash flow, I cannot find myself either moved by their sorrows, nor at all surprised by their overwhelming incompetence.
Joe Blow Repairman and Mary Doe shopkeeper have to manage their cash flow without revolving door bailouts - a feat never accomplished by Wall Street. Cry me a river, loseres.
Ja, bullshit. We've had a half-dozen 15% dips over the past 40 years....and not a one of them lasted longer than about six months. If Wall Street got caught short it's because:
a) they didn't believe Trump would actually do this;
b) they really thought that they knew what was going on;
c) they don't actually know how defend their portfolios.
Considering all the gilt-edged, high-powered, heavily-credentialed financial mucky-mucks have never figured out how to manage their own cash flow, I cannot find myself either moved by their sorrows, nor at all surprised by their overwhelming incompetence.
Joe Blow Repairman and Mary Doe shopkeeper have to manage their cash flow without revolving door bailouts - a feat never accomplished by Wall Street. Cry me a river, loseres.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at April 07, 2025 05:05 PM (bufu1)
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Remember that shithead teenager who stabbed an upstanding teenager in the heart, killing him? His GiveSendGo fund is closing in on $200,000. The murderer.
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Guilt-ridden white liberals strike again.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 05:00 PM (YqDXo)
Better make sure its his and not some clever liberal.
Back in the day when a woman jogger was killed by a puma the Puma's fund made about 10x the money the woman did.
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Guilt-ridden white liberals strike again.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 07, 2025 05:00 PM (YqDXo)
Better make sure its his and not some clever liberal.
Back in the day when a woman jogger was killed by a puma the Puma's fund made about 10x the money the woman did.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 05:05 PM (n7h9X)
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I suspect the vast majority of those small businesses aren't businesses. Not really. Those are mainly lifestyle... I'm not even sure what to call them, with Shanequa selling extensions to Lateesha, and then Lateesha selling lashes to Shanequa. No one has employees, and they're still working at JCPenney to eat while calling themselves CEOs on business cards. Probably quite a bit of it is pyramid scheme / multi-level marketing scam setups, too.
I doubt they're affecting too much one way or the other.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie
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This is social media misleading you. You wouldn't talk this way about roofers or tree trimmers.
There are young women working hard to build up a clientele, get the best deal on rent, get bargains on their office accessories, afford to go to conventions, find an apartment close to their salon so they don't have to spend $10/day on gas, on and on. Tariffs could end their small businesses.
I suspect the vast majority of those small businesses aren't businesses. Not really. Those are mainly lifestyle... I'm not even sure what to call them, with Shanequa selling extensions to Lateesha, and then Lateesha selling lashes to Shanequa. No one has employees, and they're still working at JCPenney to eat while calling themselves CEOs on business cards. Probably quite a bit of it is pyramid scheme / multi-level marketing scam setups, too.
I doubt they're affecting too much one way or the other.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie
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This is social media misleading you. You wouldn't talk this way about roofers or tree trimmers.
There are young women working hard to build up a clientele, get the best deal on rent, get bargains on their office accessories, afford to go to conventions, find an apartment close to their salon so they don't have to spend $10/day on gas, on and on. Tariffs could end their small businesses.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 05:06 PM (3izae)
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...potentially capping one of the worst market routs in history.
Ja, bullshit. We've had a half-dozen 15% dips over the past 40 years....and not a one of them lasted longer than about six months. If Wall Street got caught short it's because:
a) they didn't believe Trump would actually do this;
b) they really thought that they knew what was going on;
c) they don't actually know how defend their portfolios.
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Its an op, they are dying to find any way to even make traction against Trump's popularity.
Ja, bullshit. We've had a half-dozen 15% dips over the past 40 years....and not a one of them lasted longer than about six months. If Wall Street got caught short it's because:
a) they didn't believe Trump would actually do this;
b) they really thought that they knew what was going on;
c) they don't actually know how defend their portfolios.
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Its an op, they are dying to find any way to even make traction against Trump's popularity.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 05:07 PM (n7h9X)
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Trump is taking his first year to do everything he wants to do so when it pisses people and nations off, and it is, he can spend the next three years soothing ruffled feathers while whispering "See? I told you it would work out fine."
Well, except Chi-naH!
They're going to have a tough time for a few years.
Well, except Chi-naH!
They're going to have a tough time for a few years.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at April 07, 2025 05:07 PM (6ydKt)
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12 Von Der Leyen is good looking for a woman her age. I'll bet she was a real vixen when she was younger.
Ursula put the "laid" in van der Leyden! Just wait till she does the asphyxiation grip with her legs qround your neck Your eyeballs will get an erection like if you ventured outside in street clothes on Mars.
Ursula put the "laid" in van der Leyden! Just wait till she does the asphyxiation grip with her legs qround your neck Your eyeballs will get an erection like if you ventured outside in street clothes on Mars.
Posted by: Paladin at April 07, 2025 05:08 PM (SkWR+)
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The aesthetician (eyelash girl) I'm thinking about will have to move back in with her mother if her supplies double in price -- and she and her boyfriend are already deferring marriage and parenthood because they can't get their feet on the ground financially. So "your kids can buy a house" is already moot for them, and I suspect many many others. This could be bad for America's future on so many levels.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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Needing to move back in with mom because fake eyelashes are expensive is one of the more interesting things I've heard today.
Is the boyfriend invited, or is he going to need to work?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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Needing to move back in with mom because fake eyelashes are expensive is one of the more interesting things I've heard today.
Is the boyfriend invited, or is he going to need to work?
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 07, 2025 05:08 PM (zJgD/)
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Judge Boardman who got smacked back was nominated by Biden, or someone acting for him. She got out of committee by 11-10. Miss Lindsey voted "present". Thank you Miss Lindsey, you're a real trooper
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 07, 2025 05:09 PM (6TePA)
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We must protect critical industries, such as domestic fake eyelash manufacturers!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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That's exactly what I mean. Why are we declaring nuclear war on every industry on the planet instead of targeting the bad guys?
And fuck this disrespect for small businesspersons.
We must protect critical industries, such as domestic fake eyelash manufacturers!
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That's exactly what I mean. Why are we declaring nuclear war on every industry on the planet instead of targeting the bad guys?
And fuck this disrespect for small businesspersons.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 05:09 PM (3izae)
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This is social media misleading you. You wouldn't talk this way about roofers or tree trimmers.
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I mean, if a roofer or tree trimmer was providing a service to other roofers and tree trimmers then yeah, I probably would.
But I'm also not sure the need for fake eyelashes and the need for roofs on houses are anywhere near comparable.
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I mean, if a roofer or tree trimmer was providing a service to other roofers and tree trimmers then yeah, I probably would.
But I'm also not sure the need for fake eyelashes and the need for roofs on houses are anywhere near comparable.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 07, 2025 05:10 PM (zJgD/)
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Needing to move back in with mom because fake eyelashes are expensive is one of the more interesting things I've heard today.
Is the boyfriend invited, or is he going to need to work?
Posted by: Boron Cobbie
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I'm talking about small businesses -- I named some others but I'll do it again: plumbers, electricians, gardeners, housekeepers, mom-and-pop retailers, dance teachers, mechanics, printers -- will be hit. Why are we dissing any small businessman/woman?
Needing to move back in with mom because fake eyelashes are expensive is one of the more interesting things I've heard today.
Is the boyfriend invited, or is he going to need to work?
Posted by: Boron Cobbie
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I'm talking about small businesses -- I named some others but I'll do it again: plumbers, electricians, gardeners, housekeepers, mom-and-pop retailers, dance teachers, mechanics, printers -- will be hit. Why are we dissing any small businessman/woman?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 05:10 PM (3izae)
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This is social media misleading you. You wouldn't talk this way about roofers or tree trimmers.
There are young women working hard to build up a clientele, get the best deal on rent, get bargains on their office accessories, afford to go to conventions, find an apartment close to their salon so they don't have to spend $10/day on gas, on and on. Tariffs could end their small businesses.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 05:06 PM (3izae)
about 50 out of 200 nations are lining up to make no tariff deals in the last week. Others are likely to follow. If you have contacts, you might be able to deal with your current source in China and get a new rate to offset the tariff personally, or look for a new source in other low cost areas like viet nam, Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia.
But in the end, you might have to pass some on to the customer and hope the value add you provides keeps your customers.
There are young women working hard to build up a clientele, get the best deal on rent, get bargains on their office accessories, afford to go to conventions, find an apartment close to their salon so they don't have to spend $10/day on gas, on and on. Tariffs could end their small businesses.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 05:06 PM (3izae)
about 50 out of 200 nations are lining up to make no tariff deals in the last week. Others are likely to follow. If you have contacts, you might be able to deal with your current source in China and get a new rate to offset the tariff personally, or look for a new source in other low cost areas like viet nam, Thailand, Singapore, Indonesia.
But in the end, you might have to pass some on to the customer and hope the value add you provides keeps your customers.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 05:11 PM (n7h9X)
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And fuck this disrespect for small businesspersons.
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It's not disrespect.
People, and especially young women, need to be directed clearly.
Our job as adults with experience is to help them understand better choices, not to guide them down paths of folly.
FWIW, I would encourage her and her boyfriend to go ahead and start a family, especially if the eyelash gig isn't working out.
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It's not disrespect.
People, and especially young women, need to be directed clearly.
Our job as adults with experience is to help them understand better choices, not to guide them down paths of folly.
FWIW, I would encourage her and her boyfriend to go ahead and start a family, especially if the eyelash gig isn't working out.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 07, 2025 05:12 PM (zJgD/)
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'm talking about small businesses -- I named some others but I'll do it again: plumbers, electricians, gardeners, housekeepers, mom-and-pop retailers, dance teachers, mechanics, printers -- will be hit. Why are we dissing any small businessman/woman?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 05:10 PM (3izae)
Gardeners can buy American and have no tariff. Tools last for years. Same for almost all of the others. A mom and pop retailer for foreign goods because they are foreign can move to nations that have no tariff deals.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 05:10 PM (3izae)
Gardeners can buy American and have no tariff. Tools last for years. Same for almost all of the others. A mom and pop retailer for foreign goods because they are foreign can move to nations that have no tariff deals.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 05:13 PM (n7h9X)
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I'm also not sure the need for fake eyelashes and the need for roofs on houses are anywhere near comparable.
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The necessity of the industry is beside the point. Small business owners will be hurt. And when did we get so USSR about "what you need"? You don't need more than 2 kinds of breakfast cereal either. I thought we were in favor of the depth and breadth of the American economy around here. An unparalleled availability of goods and services that is the envy of the world.
I'm also not sure the need for fake eyelashes and the need for roofs on houses are anywhere near comparable.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie
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The necessity of the industry is beside the point. Small business owners will be hurt. And when did we get so USSR about "what you need"? You don't need more than 2 kinds of breakfast cereal either. I thought we were in favor of the depth and breadth of the American economy around here. An unparalleled availability of goods and services that is the envy of the world.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 05:13 PM (3izae)
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The current system made Americans ... all Americans ... rich. Our poorest people are the richest poor people in the world. Trump is using Marxist class warfare rhetoric. I'm still glad Trump won, and I don't regret voting for him of Kamala, but crap, Trump is sounding a little too much like Bernie Sanders for my taste.
America is a great country.
America is a great country.
Posted by: A man afraid of the LGBT lobby at April 07, 2025 05:15 PM (5DTn7)
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Needing to move back in with mom because fake eyelashes are expensive is one of the more interesting things I've heard today.
Is the boyfriend invited, or is he going to need to work?
Posted by: Boron Cobbie
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I'm talking about small businesses -- I named some others but I'll do it again: plumbers, electricians, gardeners, housekeepers, mom-and-pop retailers, dance teachers, mechanics, printers -- will be hit. Why are we dissing any small businessman/woman?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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This part here. It's why I commented that eyelash businesses aren't often real businesses.
"I'm also worried about the effect it will have on the MAGA agenda. Small businesses rely on cheap Chinese imports of stupid things like false eyelashes and cosmetics*. "
Is the boyfriend invited, or is he going to need to work?
Posted by: Boron Cobbie
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I'm talking about small businesses -- I named some others but I'll do it again: plumbers, electricians, gardeners, housekeepers, mom-and-pop retailers, dance teachers, mechanics, printers -- will be hit. Why are we dissing any small businessman/woman?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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This part here. It's why I commented that eyelash businesses aren't often real businesses.
"I'm also worried about the effect it will have on the MAGA agenda. Small businesses rely on cheap Chinese imports of stupid things like false eyelashes and cosmetics*. "
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 07, 2025 05:16 PM (zJgD/)
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FWIW, I would encourage her and her boyfriend to go ahead and start a family, especially if the eyelash gig isn't working out.
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I've thought that way, too, but she's a responsible person. If you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em. She knows someone with 2 kids who's homeless, and she knows that thing actually happens.
FWIW, I would encourage her and her boyfriend to go ahead and start a family, especially if the eyelash gig isn't working out.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie
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I've thought that way, too, but she's a responsible person. If you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em. She knows someone with 2 kids who's homeless, and she knows that thing actually happens.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 05:16 PM (3izae)
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The necessity of the industry is beside the point. Small business owners will be hurt. And when did we get so USSR about "what you need"? You don't need more than 2 kinds of breakfast cereal either. I thought we were in favor of the depth and breadth of the American economy around here. An unparalleled availability of goods and services that is the envy of the world.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 05:13 PM (3izae)
I don't see why you imagine these businesses will be hard hit. Do roofers import lumber from Red China? Do gardeners buy exclusively imported weed wackers? Or could they buy an American one? Switching your eyelash importer to VietNam rather than China or somewhere seems easy enough.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 05:13 PM (3izae)
I don't see why you imagine these businesses will be hard hit. Do roofers import lumber from Red China? Do gardeners buy exclusively imported weed wackers? Or could they buy an American one? Switching your eyelash importer to VietNam rather than China or somewhere seems easy enough.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 07, 2025 05:18 PM (n7h9X)
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I'm also not sure the need for fake eyelashes and the need for roofs on houses are anywhere near comparable.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie
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The necessity of the industry is beside the point. Small business owners will be hurt. And when did we get so USSR about "what you need"? You don't need more than 2 kinds of breakfast cereal either. I thought we were in favor of the depth and breadth of the American economy around here. An unparalleled availability of goods and services that is the envy of the world.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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I apologize if I've touched on something or someone close. I wasn't trying to.
Not need USSR wise. Need "no one wants that stuff" wise.
God bless America, people can buy what they want and can afford, eyelashes or not.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie
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The necessity of the industry is beside the point. Small business owners will be hurt. And when did we get so USSR about "what you need"? You don't need more than 2 kinds of breakfast cereal either. I thought we were in favor of the depth and breadth of the American economy around here. An unparalleled availability of goods and services that is the envy of the world.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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I apologize if I've touched on something or someone close. I wasn't trying to.
Not need USSR wise. Need "no one wants that stuff" wise.
God bless America, people can buy what they want and can afford, eyelashes or not.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 07, 2025 05:18 PM (zJgD/)
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Headed to the new thread
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women only need 1200 calories per day at April 07, 2025 05:19 PM (zJgD/)
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"I'm also worried about the effect it will have on the MAGA agenda. Small businesses rely on cheap Chinese imports of stupid things like false eyelashes and cosmetics*. "
Posted by: Boron Cobbie
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Whether you like it or not, they do. They rely on imports of stupid things like ink, paper, gardening tools, roof shingles, auto parts, electric drills, wrenches, and garbage disposers, and the boxes that crackers and cereal are sold in.
"I'm also worried about the effect it will have on the MAGA agenda. Small businesses rely on cheap Chinese imports of stupid things like false eyelashes and cosmetics*. "
Posted by: Boron Cobbie
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Whether you like it or not, they do. They rely on imports of stupid things like ink, paper, gardening tools, roof shingles, auto parts, electric drills, wrenches, and garbage disposers, and the boxes that crackers and cereal are sold in.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 07, 2025 05:19 PM (3izae)
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Jim Cramer is like Lt Drebin standing in front of a burning building, telling everyone there is nothing to see here.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 07, 2025 05:21 PM (lEahz)
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I need an editor.
Posted by: bonhomme at April 07, 2025 04:49 PM
Would you like me to help you with that?
Posted by: bonhomme at April 07, 2025 04:49 PM
Would you like me to help you with that?
Posted by: Clippy at April 07, 2025 05:24 PM (a3Q+t)
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The only thing I agree with with the Europeans is, I wouldn’t buy our crap either our meat and our food. Our grains are full of poisons just go over to Europe eat their food. It tastes so much better. That is why Robert Kennedy Junior is going to try to make America healthy again
Posted by: Gonzotx at April 07, 2025 05:35 PM (nGraA)
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Footnote: in late 2022, the market lost 25% of its value in a day.
Nobody remembers.
President Trump, Howard Lutwick, and Scott Bessent are making a Big Shift from policies that favor Wall Street and moneymen globally, to policies that favor the American Main Street.
Wall Street ain't happy.
My investment advisor, a very solid guy, says he's personally very glad that Trump won; that the market will be rocky for a while, but just hang tough and ride it out. He also said if we DIDN'T have Donald Trump and some very savvy moneymen recalibrating the system, we'd be going over the cliff with the debt in about 3 years -- which will be apocalyptic.
President Trump did liken this to surgery when you have a life-threatening condition: it's painful, there's a period of recovery, but you live through it and come out alive/better in the long run.
Nobody remembers.
President Trump, Howard Lutwick, and Scott Bessent are making a Big Shift from policies that favor Wall Street and moneymen globally, to policies that favor the American Main Street.
Wall Street ain't happy.
My investment advisor, a very solid guy, says he's personally very glad that Trump won; that the market will be rocky for a while, but just hang tough and ride it out. He also said if we DIDN'T have Donald Trump and some very savvy moneymen recalibrating the system, we'd be going over the cliff with the debt in about 3 years -- which will be apocalyptic.
President Trump did liken this to surgery when you have a life-threatening condition: it's painful, there's a period of recovery, but you live through it and come out alive/better in the long run.
Posted by: Beverly at April 07, 2025 05:35 PM (Epeb0)
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Question, from a non-finance person: Could it be that the stock market went up under *Biden because there was no place else in our staggering/collapsing economy where money could make money?
Posted by: Beverly at April 07, 2025 05:38 PM (Epeb0)
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Every one in the US is now fair game. Any one of us can be disappeared in broad daylight by men in masks.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at April 07, 2025 04:28 PM (JCZqz)
Yeah, not like your boy and his DOJ. They favored the 4am door buster raid.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at April 07, 2025 04:28 PM (JCZqz)
Yeah, not like your boy and his DOJ. They favored the 4am door buster raid.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 07, 2025 05:42 PM (FCbAQ)
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