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Gun Thread: First April Edition!
A: It's NoVAMoMe planning time! With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?
FUNdamentals Fundamentals of MoMe'n, that is.
Snubbies
Like any true red-blooded American who grew up watching cop shows, snubbies are probably my fav-o-rite handgun. Small and compact, they also have the added benefit of working every time you pull the trigger.
Hickok45
Hickok45 does this with every new gun.
Great Calibers
How Rifles are Made
Restoring a Colt
At Home Project for Kids
Our Pal Bubble Wrap (and Packing Peanuts) Packing peanuts, the little clingy bastards, should be agin' the law, but bubble wrap is cool.
Highway Patrol!
In celebration of our DOGE pals, we have the episode "Efficiency Secretary"
Missile to the Moon!
Cigar of the Week
Romeo Y Julieta 1875 Reserve OK, so I have regaled you all with a review on this cigar previously, so I am not going to bore you with the details. Commonly available, great prices, and an uncommonly good cigar. If nothing else, it is a steady, reliable smoke. One of my "Go To" brands and it never disappoints. So... Let me talk about the smoking experience a bit. Do I smoke a lot? No. But I smoke cigars (and only cigars) just enough to know what I like and don't like. And a big part of a cigar is the experience that comes with enjoying one. In my last review I spoke of how an average whiskey can make even an average cigar better. Continuing that thought, an average cigar can make many situations better. Case in point. While the picture shows a nice display of cigar, weapon and flagon for ale, what happened was I tucked this one into my golf bag and headed out to play with the Tuesday Morning Geezers. It started well enough, but then the rain started. Gawd, after twenty years in the Army, I do not need practice to be miserable. So I pulled out the cigar and even though I was wet, cold, and in a hurry to finish the round, the cigar made it better. Smooth draw, easy smoking, a pleasant aroma. Even the other golfers came up and complemented me and asked if I had more. No. I did not. (Had I been winning I might have been more accommodating, but that's another story.) So when you think about a cigar, it is not something where whiskey or bier is mandatory, although that is my favorite method. Sometimes it is just the perfect fit to the experience around you. Take that moment in stride and enjoy yourself.Excellent, Diogenes! The 1875 is in my humidor. Thank you!
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New! A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
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AmmoMan
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Posted by: nurse ratched at April 06, 2025 07:00 PM (mT+6a)
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Hello, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at April 06, 2025 07:01 PM (AiJK3)
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Good evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at April 06, 2025 07:02 PM (ypFCm)
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Pew pew pew
Posted by: Ten Gallon Hat at April 06, 2025 07:02 PM (kRwpA)
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Posted by: Eromero at April 06, 2025 07:02 PM (LHPAg)
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Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special NoVaMoMe planned greeting to our host Weasel.
Also a reminder that it's almost 15 April...
Also a reminder that it's almost 15 April...
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 06, 2025 07:03 PM (v23vE)
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8 I said.
Posted by: Eromero at April 06, 2025 07:03 PM (LHPAg)
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8!
Posted by: Eromero at April 06, 2025 07:03 PM (LHPAg)
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Bang
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 07:04 PM (DINhs)
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Cap and Ball YouTube does a test with a Uberti 1861 Navy Colt
https://tinyurl.com/4sukafva
This guy is in Europe but does all kinds of very good tests with black powder firearms.
https://tinyurl.com/4sukafva
This guy is in Europe but does all kinds of very good tests with black powder firearms.
Posted by: Skip at April 06, 2025 07:05 PM (ypFCm)
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 07:06 PM (VgEdR)
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8 8!
Posted by: Eromero at April 06, 2025 07:03 PM
Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice!
Howdy Eromero.
Posted by: Eromero at April 06, 2025 07:03 PM
Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice!
Howdy Eromero.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 06, 2025 07:06 PM (Q4Dc6)
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Hopefully, some y’all will get the message about our little meetup in Yakima on May 10.
I know we aren’t like the biggies, but it is nice and we have a potluck and a book trade. And lots of laughs and beet eggs! And we got Oregon Muse, which none y’all got.
Tag Mark Andrew Edwards in the left sidebar. I promise a hug.
I know we aren’t like the biggies, but it is nice and we have a potluck and a book trade. And lots of laughs and beet eggs! And we got Oregon Muse, which none y’all got.
Tag Mark Andrew Edwards in the left sidebar. I promise a hug.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 06, 2025 07:07 PM (mT+6a)
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If memory serves, "Missile to the Moon" was a remake of "Cat Women of the Moon."
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 06, 2025 07:07 PM (CHHv1)
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If you depend on cheap range ammo for practice and general fun stuff, do stock up if you haven't already. A lot of cheap practice ammo is imported from overseas (Serbia, Israel, S. Korea, etc.). As such, don't be surprised if your favorite cheap ammo for practice sees big price hikes within the next 30 days as the recently announced tariffs kick in. Last minute negotiations might still save the day, but if they don't, be prepared for a bit of sticker shock.
Posted by: Ed L at April 06, 2025 07:08 PM (AiJK3)
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13 Hopefully, some y’all will get the message about our little meetup in Yakima on May 10.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 06, 2025 07:07 PM (mT+6a)
I need to just retire, so I can go to MoMes all over the country. Like a Deadhead, but with Morons.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 06, 2025 07:07 PM (mT+6a)
I need to just retire, so I can go to MoMes all over the country. Like a Deadhead, but with Morons.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at April 06, 2025 07:08 PM (h7ZuX)
Posted by: Coelacanth at April 06, 2025 07:09 PM (wItF4)
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Gub!
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 06, 2025 07:10 PM (mH6SG)
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On the road. In Massachusetts. Ugh.
BBL.
BBL.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 07:11 PM (u44LL)
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Yay! Gubs!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 06, 2025 07:11 PM (Wnv9h)
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On the road. In Massachusetts. Ugh.
BBL.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 07:11 PM
I feel for ya.
BBL.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 07:11 PM
I feel for ya.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 06, 2025 07:12 PM (Wnv9h)
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Judicial Supremacy, a tried and true system exemplified by the hairless Darth Vader of Brazil.
Posted by: Judge Dredd at April 06, 2025 07:13 PM (0pLZt)
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Range report. There are about 6 hogs in the pasture but it's cold, wet and windy so they are getting a pass tonight.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 06, 2025 07:14 PM (XNkRi)
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RMBS, down south of you. New Bedford. A little island visit before the season.
Family owned vacation home. Ugh.
Family owned vacation home. Ugh.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 07:15 PM (u44LL)
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Why, yes -- I do carry a snubbie in my EDC rotation, thank you for asking, Weasel-San. It's a Smith & Wesson Model 637. It's lightweight for carrying in a pocket holster in the summertime, and I can hit pretty well DA with it at prospective gunfight ranges (i.e., close). It actually shoots high, so my aimpoint for center mass is at about crotch level. I also have my eye on one of the recently released classic Model 36s, now that S&W have done away with the stupid internal lock.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 06, 2025 07:15 PM (Hdixl)
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On the road. In Massachusetts. Ugh.
BBL.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 07:11 PM (u44LL)
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Can't you comment on your phone and drive at the same time?
BBL.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 07:11 PM (u44LL)
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Can't you comment on your phone and drive at the same time?
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 07:17 PM (VgEdR)
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Howdy!
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at April 06, 2025 07:17 PM (sAmhv)
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Snubbies is good. As with all handguns, shot placement and distance to target are key.
Posted by: Eromero at April 06, 2025 07:17 PM (LHPAg)
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RMBS, down south of you. New Bedford. A little island visit before the season.
Family owned vacation home. Ugh.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 07:15 PM
Hmm. Have family down in New Bedford. They have a nice vacation home in Mattapoisett.
Family owned vacation home. Ugh.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 07:15 PM
Hmm. Have family down in New Bedford. They have a nice vacation home in Mattapoisett.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 06, 2025 07:18 PM (Wnv9h)
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Today's semi stairs demonstrators confessed they had no idea what they were protesting...
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at April 06, 2025 07:18 PM (OeyNM)
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Who carries one for self-defense?
You probably don't count my .357 derringer.
Weasel, I don't know how youTube does the screen capture stuff, but your mouth is hanging open....
You probably don't count my .357 derringer.
Weasel, I don't know how youTube does the screen capture stuff, but your mouth is hanging open....
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 07:19 PM (XR+2F)
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Having a good whisky matching your cigar is indeed heavenly, I truly love to smoke them when I’m fishing. It just makes a great thing even better, even though I only fish a couple times a year now.
I’m generous with my cigars, though some who have abused my generosity tend to miss out now.
I’m generous with my cigars, though some who have abused my generosity tend to miss out now.
Posted by: Marty at April 06, 2025 07:19 PM (ELmyf)
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For this week's trip to the range, I tested my SIG M11A1 with 9mm NATO spec ammo and +P ammo. This was the pistol that printed really low with standard pressure 124 grain 9mm ammo. I took whig's suggestion to see if the sights were calibrated for the higher pressure, higher velocity NATO spec ammo or if the sights were just plain off. After going through about 1/2 a box each of 9mm NATO spec ammo and 9mm +P ammo, I think whig is right. Using NATO spec and +P ammo, the rounds printed pretty close to right on target. They hit a bit low, but I'm not sure if it's the ammo or me. The higher-pressure ammo did make the felt recoil significantly heavier.
Posted by: Ed L at April 06, 2025 07:20 PM (AiJK3)
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Snubbies is good. As with all handguns, shot placement and distance to target are key.
Posted by: Eromero at April 06, 2025 07:17 PM
Yup. I keep a nice S&W J-frame in my carry rotation.
Posted by: Eromero at April 06, 2025 07:17 PM
Yup. I keep a nice S&W J-frame in my carry rotation.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 06, 2025 07:20 PM (Wnv9h)
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Weasel, I am all about safety!
Mrs. Red and I are safely ensconced in a lovely Italian restaurant in Fairhaven named Bocca.
Mrs. Red and I are safely ensconced in a lovely Italian restaurant in Fairhaven named Bocca.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 07:21 PM (u44LL)
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First revolver and firearm ever purchased was a Taurus 357. I quickly found out it was too light for 357 but worked just dandy with 38 special +p.
Thanks again, Weasel!
Thanks again, Weasel!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 06, 2025 07:23 PM (tT6L1)
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RI Red, are you saying it's not safe to let Mrs. RI drive while you do
the import work of keeping the comment count up?
the import work of keeping the comment count up?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 06, 2025 07:24 PM (tT6L1)
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Snubbies are awesome.
Don’t have a S&W, but a Taurus Model 85 does pretty well for me.
Once you figure out how to prevent the wrist flex on the break when shooting DA you can shoot pretty fast.
Don’t have a S&W, but a Taurus Model 85 does pretty well for me.
Once you figure out how to prevent the wrist flex on the break when shooting DA you can shoot pretty fast.
Posted by: PMRich at April 06, 2025 07:25 PM (Pe+uV)
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Mrs. Red and I are safely ensconced in a lovely Italian restaurant in Fairhaven named Bocca.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 07:21 PM
Try the veal!
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 07:21 PM
Try the veal!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 06, 2025 07:26 PM (Wnv9h)
Posted by: TRex at April 06, 2025 07:26 PM (IQ6Gq)
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So show of hands - any snubby fans out there? Who carries one for self-defense?
Wife's EDC is a S&W 442. I would not feel undergunned with it on my waist.
Wife's EDC is a S&W 442. I would not feel undergunned with it on my waist.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 06, 2025 07:27 PM (/y8xj)
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So my factory red dot on my Sig P365XL stopped working and apparently Sig has a lifetime warranty on everything, no registration or receipt required.
That's shocking these days and definitely something that would make me consider their products even more so in the future.
That's shocking these days and definitely something that would make me consider their products even more so in the future.
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - Moms lie to daughters because they compete against them for men at April 06, 2025 07:27 PM (VgEZL)
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PSA has a sale on Ruger 10/22s this weekend. Prices I have not seen in a decade.
https://tinyurl.com/yc2nwc92
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https://tinyurl.com/yc2nwc92
https://tinyurl.com/463rd2uu
Posted by: Grump928(C) sans apostrophe at April 06, 2025 07:27 PM (HoVXR)
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First revolver and firearm ever purchased was a Taurus 357. I quickly found out it was too light for 357 but worked just dandy with 38 special +p.
Thanks again, Weasel!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 06, 2025 07:23 PM
Mine's a .357, but I like it with 158 gr, .38 Spcl. +P.
Thanks again, Weasel!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 06, 2025 07:23 PM
Mine's a .357, but I like it with 158 gr, .38 Spcl. +P.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 06, 2025 07:28 PM (Wnv9h)
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evenin' everyone!
what is this "carry rotation" you speak of?
one or the other 637 has been my carry piece for at least the past year, or more. I have others, just don't carry them at all, any more.
what is this "carry rotation" you speak of?
one or the other 637 has been my carry piece for at least the past year, or more. I have others, just don't carry them at all, any more.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 06, 2025 07:28 PM (/Ghsb)
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What was the distance to the target for snubby?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 06, 2025 07:29 PM (63Dwl)
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Blake, you are mostly right. It is not safe to let Mrs. Red drive.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 07:29 PM (u44LL)
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So show of hands - any snubby fans out there? Who carries one for self-defense?
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I have a taurus ultralight that is my deep concealment pistol or my boat gun, depending on what's happening. Not everyday carry, but pretty often.
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I have a taurus ultralight that is my deep concealment pistol or my boat gun, depending on what's happening. Not everyday carry, but pretty often.
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - Moms lie to daughters because they compete against them for men at April 06, 2025 07:29 PM (VgEZL)
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Oh, also while cutting grass and loaded with ratshot in case I come across a poisonous snake.
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - Moms lie to daughters because they compete against them for men at April 06, 2025 07:30 PM (VgEZL)
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What was the distance to the target for snubby?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 06, 2025 07:29 PM (63Dwl)
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Around 20 feet. I was using a GoPro which for some reason flattens everything out and it looks closer.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 06, 2025 07:29 PM (63Dwl)
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Around 20 feet. I was using a GoPro which for some reason flattens everything out and it looks closer.
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 07:30 PM (VgEdR)
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I just had a long comment about Vortex disappear. I’ll repeat after dinner.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 07:31 PM (u44LL)
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - Moms lie to daughters because they compete against them for men at April 06, 2025 07:32 PM (VgEZL)
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10 ... Skip,
Thanks for that link to the Colt 1861 test. This the first time I've seen a cap and ball revolver in a Ransom rest. Not too surprised at the results. Good quality C and Ps (Uberti, Pietta, the late lamented Euroarms Rogers and Spencer, and of course the Ruger Old Army) are capable of wonderful accuracy. As long as the load is consistent the only limiting factor is the shooter.
Thanks for that link to the Colt 1861 test. This the first time I've seen a cap and ball revolver in a Ransom rest. Not too surprised at the results. Good quality C and Ps (Uberti, Pietta, the late lamented Euroarms Rogers and Spencer, and of course the Ruger Old Army) are capable of wonderful accuracy. As long as the load is consistent the only limiting factor is the shooter.
Posted by: JTB at April 06, 2025 07:33 PM (yTvNw)
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 06, 2025 07:35 PM (mT+6a)
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Guy (before Weasel) with the snubbie says what I've been saying for a long time: don't get all prog about technology. It's better than it used to be and it can be useful. But old stuff works. Which one of you long-rangers was it talking about shooting your M-1 with all the guy with tricked out rifles? I'd love to see someone shooting a Hawkins or something against an AR at some distance.
As to the snubbies not being accurate...
If you're talking match ammo, teeny-tiny bullseye, at 100 yards, a highly trained shooter... yeah, maybe not compared to a longer barrel. But where it counts? Minute of torso reliably? That means the world when it counts.
As to the snubbies not being accurate...
If you're talking match ammo, teeny-tiny bullseye, at 100 yards, a highly trained shooter... yeah, maybe not compared to a longer barrel. But where it counts? Minute of torso reliably? That means the world when it counts.
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 07:35 PM (XR+2F)
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So, range report: 500 yard KYL and 1,000 yard steel. Another second place finish for me. Two for two losing the shoot off, darn it!
It was a blustery day at the range, with the wind gusting and switching directions. I've gone to shooting prone, as I am going to shoot a real F Class match at some point and need the practice. Timed event for the 500 yard KYL and 1,000 yard. I did my usual and traded speed for accuracy. Yeah, I shot two less rounds than than the guys who went for it yet still wound up in a 3 way tie for first.
However, the 1,000 yard, which was also timed, ate me for lunch. Once I finally got on the target, I lost concentration and then couldn't get back on the target to finish the string in the time allotted. Still, though, I went 2 for 5 and wound up in a two way tie for 1st place. However, I am getting good enough I'm able to stay on the target even after recoil so I can see where the first shot hits.
In the end, though I'm starting to believe I'm getting good at this, if I'm staying even with guys shooting better equipment who have at least equivalent experience.
It was a blustery day at the range, with the wind gusting and switching directions. I've gone to shooting prone, as I am going to shoot a real F Class match at some point and need the practice. Timed event for the 500 yard KYL and 1,000 yard. I did my usual and traded speed for accuracy. Yeah, I shot two less rounds than than the guys who went for it yet still wound up in a 3 way tie for first.
However, the 1,000 yard, which was also timed, ate me for lunch. Once I finally got on the target, I lost concentration and then couldn't get back on the target to finish the string in the time allotted. Still, though, I went 2 for 5 and wound up in a two way tie for 1st place. However, I am getting good enough I'm able to stay on the target even after recoil so I can see where the first shot hits.
In the end, though I'm starting to believe I'm getting good at this, if I'm staying even with guys shooting better equipment who have at least equivalent experience.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 06, 2025 07:36 PM (tT6L1)
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I have wanted a cap and ball revolver since I was a kid who loved Westerns. May get one still yet some day.
Posted by: Skip at April 06, 2025 07:36 PM (ypFCm)
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The second handgun I ever bought was a 1994 Colt Detective Special, one of the last Detective Specials ever produced. I'd picked up a CCW permit for South Dakota, and I picked the Colt over a S&W Model 36 simply because the Colt fit my hand better than the Smith. In retrospect, it probably wasn't the best choice for a newbie to guns, but at $250, that Colt was cheaper than the Smith at $300. Today, the new (2017) Colt Cobra has a better trigger than the older Detective Special, but it doesn't have the old school Colt bluing of yesteryear. I've acquired a few more Colt snubbies since then - a Diamondback, one each of earlier Colt Detective Special issues, and a few Python snubbies.
Posted by: Ed L at April 06, 2025 07:37 PM (AiJK3)
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - THIS Year in Corsicana - again at April 06, 2025 07:37 PM (hOUT3)
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Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 06, 2025 07:36 PM (tT6L1)
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Nice! Keep up the good work!
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Nice! Keep up the good work!
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 07:38 PM (VgEdR)
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Mine's a .357, but I like it with 158 gr, .38 Spcl. +P.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 06, 2025 07:28 PM (Wnv9h)
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I don't know the round weight but I'm using Remington 38 spcl +p semi jacketed HP in my snubbie. Nasty looking round.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 06, 2025 07:28 PM (Wnv9h)
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I don't know the round weight but I'm using Remington 38 spcl +p semi jacketed HP in my snubbie. Nasty looking round.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 06, 2025 07:38 PM (tT6L1)
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54 Snubbies are fun!
But they hurt.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 06, 2025 07:35 PM
Not compared to what the guy on the OTHER end of the snubbie feels!
But they hurt.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 06, 2025 07:35 PM
Not compared to what the guy on the OTHER end of the snubbie feels!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 06, 2025 07:38 PM (Q4Dc6)
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Good evening Weasel, and all additional GThreaders.
Thank you for the best thread of the week.
Small range report. Had to complete my PTC qualifications and had a conflict today. So instead, got to the range on Friday.
80% hits on the B27 target (7 ring or better). 50 rounds, 5 round strings. Some reloads for a 10 round string.
I used my EDC, Taurus G2C. It's been reliable for me, eats everything I feed it including Underwood and G9 monolithic.
Took it home, cleaned it, lubed it, happy now.
Just need to visit my local sheriff. Shall not be infringed, eh?
Thank you for the best thread of the week.
Small range report. Had to complete my PTC qualifications and had a conflict today. So instead, got to the range on Friday.
80% hits on the B27 target (7 ring or better). 50 rounds, 5 round strings. Some reloads for a 10 round string.
I used my EDC, Taurus G2C. It's been reliable for me, eats everything I feed it including Underwood and G9 monolithic.
Took it home, cleaned it, lubed it, happy now.
Just need to visit my local sheriff. Shall not be infringed, eh?
Posted by: Chappyman66 at April 06, 2025 07:39 PM (2fldW)
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Snubbies are fun!
But they hurt.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 06, 2025 07:35 PM (mT+6a)
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I usually swap out the grips for pachmyers or combats, especially for magnum cartridges..
But they hurt.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 06, 2025 07:35 PM (mT+6a)
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I usually swap out the grips for pachmyers or combats, especially for magnum cartridges..
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 07:40 PM (VgEdR)
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Nice! Keep up the good work!
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 07:38 PM (VgEdR)
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They're also shocked when they find out I'm shooting 30.06.
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 07:38 PM (VgEdR)
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They're also shocked when they find out I'm shooting 30.06.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 06, 2025 07:41 PM (tT6L1)
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Cap and ball are fun, but not for the casual shooter. Regardless of how much you shoot, you need to clean.
So, I usually wait til someone else has a yen as well.
Not like a .45ACP, which gets cleaned about every 500 rounds, whether it needs it or not.
So, I usually wait til someone else has a yen as well.
Not like a .45ACP, which gets cleaned about every 500 rounds, whether it needs it or not.
Posted by: MkY at April 06, 2025 07:42 PM (cPGH3)
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I have wanted a cap and ball revolver since I was a kid who loved Westerns. May get one still yet some day.
I decided that Iwanted needed a replica Colt Walker after someone (rickb?) noted that it is the official State Revolver of Texas.
I decided that I
Posted by: Oddbob at April 06, 2025 07:42 PM (/y8xj)
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I've tried various snubby revolvers. Many are just too light for consistent shooting with 357 magnums and even 38 specials can have a lot of recoil. I settled on a Ruger SP101 in 357, loaded with 38 special +P ammo for carry. It's fairly heavy for a snubby but still okay for CC and that extra weight means better control.
Posted by: JTB at April 06, 2025 07:43 PM (yTvNw)
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Range report. There are about 6 hogs in the pasture but it's cold, wet and windy so they are getting a pass tonight.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 06, 2025 07:14 PM (XNkRi)
Why did I assume you have a sniper hide in your kitchen?
Posted by: Ben Had at April 06, 2025 07:14 PM (XNkRi)
Why did I assume you have a sniper hide in your kitchen?
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 07:45 PM (XR+2F)
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... As such, don't be surprised if your favorite cheap ammo for practice sees big price hikes within the next 30 days as the recently announced tariffs kick in. Last minute negotiations might still save the day, but if they don't, be prepared for a bit of sticker shock.
Posted by: Ed L at April 06, 2025 07:08 PM (AiJK3)
That's one reason I'm glad I finally got into reloading. I have stocked up on powder, primers, and bullets, so I should be able to keep shooting for quite a while.
Posted by: Ed L at April 06, 2025 07:08 PM (AiJK3)
That's one reason I'm glad I finally got into reloading. I have stocked up on powder, primers, and bullets, so I should be able to keep shooting for quite a while.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 06, 2025 07:46 PM (Hdixl)
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Weasel, About how far was the target in your snubby video?
Posted by: JTB at April 06, 2025 07:46 PM (yTvNw)
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Snubbies
Missed this. Mrs CM66 uses a Taurus 85 in 38 as part of the rotation.
The better option is the the Taurus 617T in 357 titanium. The factory porting and the Hogue grip really make it fun to shoot. Although the 7 rd cylinder is a bit large for concealment.
Missed this. Mrs CM66 uses a Taurus 85 in 38 as part of the rotation.
The better option is the the Taurus 617T in 357 titanium. The factory porting and the Hogue grip really make it fun to shoot. Although the 7 rd cylinder is a bit large for concealment.
Posted by: Chappyman66 at April 06, 2025 07:46 PM (2fldW)
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This just in from James Comey out in the fields of Georgia..
It has been reported a "Giant Clam" has attacked Ex-President Jimmy Carter...
Once again CNN brings you the most important, most reliable, and most urgent news...
It has been reported a "Giant Clam" has attacked Ex-President Jimmy Carter...
Once again CNN brings you the most important, most reliable, and most urgent news...
Posted by: CNN Breaking News at April 06, 2025 07:47 PM (RXgJO)
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That's one reason I'm glad I finally got into reloading. I have stocked up on powder, primers, and bullets, so I should be able to keep shooting for quite a while.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 06, 2025 07:46 PM (Hdixl)
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Bingo!!
It's a fascinating hobby unto itself, but it is a great feeling to know you can go on shooting when the shelves are empty.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 06, 2025 07:46 PM (Hdixl)
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Bingo!!
It's a fascinating hobby unto itself, but it is a great feeling to know you can go on shooting when the shelves are empty.
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 07:48 PM (VgEdR)
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& that's it for me ... up early, did taxes all day, g'night everyone!
& thanks, Weasel, as always!
& thanks, Weasel, as always!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 06, 2025 07:48 PM (/Ghsb)
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As to the snubbies not being accurate...
If you're talking match ammo, teeny-tiny bullseye, at 100 yards, a highly trained shooter... yeah, maybe not compared to a longer barrel. But where it counts? Minute of torso reliably? That means the world when it counts.
Posted by: GWB
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This.
They're meant entirely for impromptu social occasions.
If you're talking match ammo, teeny-tiny bullseye, at 100 yards, a highly trained shooter... yeah, maybe not compared to a longer barrel. But where it counts? Minute of torso reliably? That means the world when it counts.
Posted by: GWB
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This.
They're meant entirely for impromptu social occasions.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Mothers are teaching their daughters to be workers, not wives at April 06, 2025 07:48 PM (VZ6yk)
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Q: Weasel, what does it mean?
A: It's NoVAMoMe planning time!
Q: Who will be doing the heavy lifting, organization-wise?
A: Weasel, with bluebell providing Executive Leadership and Guidance, as needed.
A: It's NoVAMoMe planning time!
Q: Who will be doing the heavy lifting, organization-wise?
A: Weasel, with bluebell providing Executive Leadership and Guidance, as needed.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 07:48 PM (a3Q+t)
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My fun snubbie combination is one of the new 3" barrelled Colt Pythons shooting .38 Special ammo. The Python is heavy enough to easily soak up the recoil from a .38 Special. For serious shooting with .357, Weasel is correct - substituting rubber grips (Pachmyr, Hogue) makes the shooting experience a lot less painful.
Posted by: Ed L at April 06, 2025 07:49 PM (AiJK3)
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Why are all of the people shooting 38 special using +P ammo?
Is that the standard for defensive rounds, or does everyone desire the extra velocity for better penetration and ammo expansion?
Is that the standard for defensive rounds, or does everyone desire the extra velocity for better penetration and ammo expansion?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 06, 2025 07:49 PM (Q4Dc6)
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Good evening WeasEL and hello to the Horde.
Nurse, congrats on #1
Eromero, congrats on #8?
RI Red: all about the safety. We'll make sure that gets in your permanent record
Look at Ben Had, granting a day's amnesty to the pigs!
Have to check on dinner. BBS
Nurse, congrats on #1
Eromero, congrats on #8?
RI Red: all about the safety. We'll make sure that gets in your permanent record
Look at Ben Had, granting a day's amnesty to the pigs!
Have to check on dinner. BBS
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at April 06, 2025 07:49 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Weasel, About how far was the target in your snubby video?
Posted by: JTB at April 06, 2025 07:46 PM (yTvNw)
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That spot is about 7 yards or so. The camera makes it look closer/flatter.
Posted by: JTB at April 06, 2025 07:46 PM (yTvNw)
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That spot is about 7 yards or so. The camera makes it look closer/flatter.
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 07:50 PM (VgEdR)
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Finally! No cigar report is complete without a picture of Diogenes' horny mug.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 07:50 PM (a3Q+t)
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@ 79, not me; standard 158 gr. round nose bare lead
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 06, 2025 07:51 PM (/Ghsb)
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Good evening fellow enthusiasts. I'm late but I have been thinking about guns today. Too stressed about my Thursday appt to make it to the range today. Happened across a review of the new Henry Supreme Lever action on Britebart of all places.
Went down a rabbit hole reading reviews and it seems like an excellent piece of equipment.
https://tinyurl.com/3j9ksz86
Would be interested in what you all think.
Brand new concept, 10 rd mag, adjustable trigger.
Blaster and Hrothgar touting AR over this one.
Went down a rabbit hole reading reviews and it seems like an excellent piece of equipment.
https://tinyurl.com/3j9ksz86
Would be interested in what you all think.
Brand new concept, 10 rd mag, adjustable trigger.
Blaster and Hrothgar touting AR over this one.
Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 06, 2025 07:51 PM (t/2Uw)
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One additional note: If wanted, I can provide a large tray of cookies/bars for NoVAMoMe.....
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at April 06, 2025 07:51 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Is that the standard for defensive rounds, or does everyone desire the extra velocity for better penetration and ammo expansion?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 06, 2025 07:49 PM (Q4Dc6)
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In my case, the Taurus is too light to handle 357 Magnum. Switching to 38 special +p still gives one a stout round out of the 357 frame while leaving fingers and wrists intact.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 06, 2025 07:49 PM (Q4Dc6)
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In my case, the Taurus is too light to handle 357 Magnum. Switching to 38 special +p still gives one a stout round out of the 357 frame while leaving fingers and wrists intact.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 06, 2025 07:51 PM (tT6L1)
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I saw an interesting one from the Armed Attorneys this week:
https://shorturl.at/Gv0ml
They discuss (since we're talking snubbies, which some people carry as a backup) carrying more than one weapon, among other things. There evidently is one state that restricts you to one handgun under their carry permit. I don't know which one.
And the do not, even once, use the term "Mexican reload." Though they do say that in Texas you should carry as many as you feel will make you secure. And then some.
https://shorturl.at/Gv0ml
They discuss (since we're talking snubbies, which some people carry as a backup) carrying more than one weapon, among other things. There evidently is one state that restricts you to one handgun under their carry permit. I don't know which one.
And the do not, even once, use the term "Mexican reload." Though they do say that in Texas you should carry as many as you feel will make you secure. And then some.
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 07:52 PM (XR+2F)
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Why are all of the people shooting 38 special using +P ammo?
Is that the standard for defensive rounds, or does everyone desire the extra velocity for better penetration and ammo expansion?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 06, 2025 07:49 PM (Q4Dc6)
Higher velocity increases the odds of the hollow point ammo expanding like it should. Since snubbies don't have much of a barrel to build up velocity, you need your bullet's velocity to get up to speed PDQ.
Is that the standard for defensive rounds, or does everyone desire the extra velocity for better penetration and ammo expansion?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 06, 2025 07:49 PM (Q4Dc6)
Higher velocity increases the odds of the hollow point ammo expanding like it should. Since snubbies don't have much of a barrel to build up velocity, you need your bullet's velocity to get up to speed PDQ.
Posted by: Ed L at April 06, 2025 07:52 PM (AiJK3)
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Mexican reload > Mexican raise
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Mothers are teaching their daughters to be workers, not wives at April 06, 2025 07:53 PM (VZ6yk)
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There are about 6 hogs in the pasture but it's cold, wet and windy so they are getting a pass tonight.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 06, 2025 07:14 PM
I get a lot of passes, as well.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 06, 2025 07:14 PM
I get a lot of passes, as well.
Posted by: David H. at April 06, 2025 07:54 PM (a3Q+t)
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@ 79, not me; standard 158 gr. round nose bare lead
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 06, 2025 07:51 PM (/Ghsb)
I'm using standard velocity 158 grain as well, but semi jacketed HP.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 06, 2025 07:51 PM (/Ghsb)
I'm using standard velocity 158 grain as well, but semi jacketed HP.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 06, 2025 07:55 PM (Hdixl)
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Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at April 06, 2025 07:51 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Thanks for the offer! I need to speak with management, both bluebell and the guy at the venue, and will let you know. Appreciate it!
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Thanks for the offer! I need to speak with management, both bluebell and the guy at the venue, and will let you know. Appreciate it!
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 07:55 PM (VgEdR)
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@ 87, we always called that a New York reload
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 06, 2025 07:55 PM (/Ghsb)
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Israel will be zero tariffs. Will be announced tomorrow.
Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 06, 2025 07:56 PM (t/2Uw)
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I have a very long day coming tomorrow so better get outta here
Have a great evening everyone
Have a great evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at April 06, 2025 07:56 PM (ypFCm)
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g'night Skip!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 06, 2025 07:57 PM (/Ghsb)
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Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 06, 2025 07:56 PM (t/2Uw)
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Been to the range?
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Been to the range?
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 07:57 PM (VgEdR)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 06, 2025 07:57 PM (tT6L1)
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85 One additional note: If wanted, I can provide a large tray of cookies/bars for NoVAMoMe.....
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at April 06, 2025 07:51 PM
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I volunteer to taste-test said cookies/bars in advance.
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at April 06, 2025 07:51 PM
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I volunteer to taste-test said cookies/bars in advance.
Posted by: TRex at April 06, 2025 07:58 PM (IQ6Gq)
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And the do not, even once, use the term "Mexican reload." Though they do say that in Texas you should carry as many as you feel will make you secure. And then some.
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 07:52 PM (XR+2F)
I always heard the practice referred to as a "New York Reload".
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 07:52 PM (XR+2F)
I always heard the practice referred to as a "New York Reload".
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 06, 2025 07:58 PM (Hdixl)
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Ben Had, I can swear hearing my grandfather saying something about not letting the "wings" or similar of the heart touch the ground when he slaughtered the hog or it was bad luck. Does that ring a bell with anyone? I don't live in an area with wild hogs, thankfully, so I'm not familiar with oddities of their organs, and pawpaw died when I was very young, so that is mostly a distant memory. I've always vaguely remembered that, though.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Mothers are teaching their daughters to be workers, not wives at April 06, 2025 07:58 PM (VZ6yk)
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So show of hands - any snubby fans out there? Who carries one for self-defense?
Taurus Titanium in 45LC Makes a great bicycle gun that fits in the frame's triangle bag.
Taurus Titanium in 45LC Makes a great bicycle gun that fits in the frame's triangle bag.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 06, 2025 07:59 PM (a4flb)
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67 ... "decided that I wanted needed a replica Colt Walker after someone (rickb?) noted that it is the official State Revolver of Texas."
Walker replicas can be fun but for shooting purposes, versus display, they have problems. They are HUGE even compared to a Ruger Old Army and have twice the weight of the ROA, probably a bit over four pounds. Also, the loading lever, which is unsupported, often drops after each shot, jamming the revolver. Some people tie up the loading lever with string to avoid that problem. But if you want a cap and ball revolver that will penetrate a buffalo, the Walker with its huge powder capacity will do the job.
For simple enjoyable shooting pleasure with a C and B, a Colt 1851 or 1860 or a Remington 1858 would be more appropriate. And a lot more affordable. Just my opinion.
Walker replicas can be fun but for shooting purposes, versus display, they have problems. They are HUGE even compared to a Ruger Old Army and have twice the weight of the ROA, probably a bit over four pounds. Also, the loading lever, which is unsupported, often drops after each shot, jamming the revolver. Some people tie up the loading lever with string to avoid that problem. But if you want a cap and ball revolver that will penetrate a buffalo, the Walker with its huge powder capacity will do the job.
For simple enjoyable shooting pleasure with a C and B, a Colt 1851 or 1860 or a Remington 1858 would be more appropriate. And a lot more affordable. Just my opinion.
Posted by: JTB at April 06, 2025 07:59 PM (yTvNw)
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Hi there, Weasel! I think you got your wish - packin' peanuts are agin' the law. Leastwise, the UPS store won't take them anymore and you can't recycle them.
I was in there not long ago mailing a package and some poor guy came in with a garbage bag full of those peanuts and the guy behind the counter had to give him the bad news.
I was in there not long ago mailing a package and some poor guy came in with a garbage bag full of those peanuts and the guy behind the counter had to give him the bad news.
Posted by: bluebell at April 06, 2025 08:00 PM (79pEw)
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Israel will be zero tariffs. Will be announced tomorrow.
I can already imagine tomorrow's comments in DU and Zerohedge.
I can already imagine tomorrow's comments in DU and Zerohedge.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 06, 2025 08:00 PM (a4flb)
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Latest acquisition is a used Remington 870 12 ga. Magnum Express model, made just prior to The Bankruptcy. It came with a 28" barrel, suitable for waterfowling. Dang, it is heavy, and is best suited for sitting in a duck blind. I'd hate to have to lug it around on a pheasant hunt, let alone take it onto a chukar hill.
Digging around in the stockpile, I found an 18 1/2 inch riot gun barrel, made by Mossberg. The 870 is still heavy, but it is much better suited for indoor use now. I'll take it to the range this week and do a function test.
If this sounds like a good combo to you, Buds Guns has the Mossberg-made barrels in stock at a very reasonable price.
Digging around in the stockpile, I found an 18 1/2 inch riot gun barrel, made by Mossberg. The 870 is still heavy, but it is much better suited for indoor use now. I'll take it to the range this week and do a function test.
If this sounds like a good combo to you, Buds Guns has the Mossberg-made barrels in stock at a very reasonable price.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at April 06, 2025 08:00 PM (NPytu)
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Pillage, if shooting 158 gr lead semi wadcutter hollow points, you need the Xtra umph of +p. If you drop to the fast but light aka 110 gr hollow points, the +p helps those jacketed bullets fully expand. Out of mfg, but still around at gun shows, Federal made a nylon coated lead hollow point named nyclad. Std pressure. Recommended if you don't want to fire +p. Buffalo bire has some 158 gr 38 spc that are good at std pressure as us the discontinued Golden Saber Remington 125 gr in either std or plus p.
You want a combo of penetration and expansion. Lead wadcutters are recommended if you want penetration with the lowest recoil in 38 spc. Ok for infirm or weaker hands to shoot in a steel framed snubbie.
You want a combo of penetration and expansion. Lead wadcutters are recommended if you want penetration with the lowest recoil in 38 spc. Ok for infirm or weaker hands to shoot in a steel framed snubbie.
Posted by: whig's phone at April 06, 2025 08:00 PM (ctrM5)
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Blaster and Hrothgar touting AR over this one.
Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 06, 2025 07:51 PM (t/2Uw)
Sharon, the Henry might be more practical for you. It's not being an AR might be an advantage since it's not a scary black rifle that blue states get the shakes about. At $1600, it's about $500 more than a mid-tier AR (Colt, FN), though. Your call. But I do recommend 5.56mm over .300 Blackout because 5.56mm is more readily available and cheaper on a per round basis. The main reason to go w/ .300 Blackout is if you want to add a suppressor. Which might be a problem for where you live.
Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 06, 2025 07:51 PM (t/2Uw)
Sharon, the Henry might be more practical for you. It's not being an AR might be an advantage since it's not a scary black rifle that blue states get the shakes about. At $1600, it's about $500 more than a mid-tier AR (Colt, FN), though. Your call. But I do recommend 5.56mm over .300 Blackout because 5.56mm is more readily available and cheaper on a per round basis. The main reason to go w/ .300 Blackout is if you want to add a suppressor. Which might be a problem for where you live.
Posted by: Ed L at April 06, 2025 08:01 PM (AiJK3)
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40 BRB, watching the Colt restoration video.
Posted by: TRex at April 06, 2025 07:26 PM
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Fascinating video. Impressive recovery process. Thanks Weasel.
Posted by: TRex at April 06, 2025 07:26 PM
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Fascinating video. Impressive recovery process. Thanks Weasel.
Posted by: TRex at April 06, 2025 08:01 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Thanks for the info on .38 special ammo.
Our only .38 is a S&W Chiefs Special Airweight Model 37.
It is not rated for +P ammo, yet still kicks too much for anyone but me to shoot comfortably.
Our only .38 is a S&W Chiefs Special Airweight Model 37.
It is not rated for +P ammo, yet still kicks too much for anyone but me to shoot comfortably.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 06, 2025 08:01 PM (Q4Dc6)
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OK, I have five minutes til the next stage of dinner....
Range practice - yes. Nothing special to report. It goes well til it doesn't, and then it's back to reviewing which fundy I messed up.
But we chuckled this week. Both of us are using a 3inch target at either 5 or 7 yds. And we both have a fit when one doesn't land on the 3in target.. Til we realized:
A) if we were shooting this well last year we would have been thrilled, and
B) if hitting a bad person, either 3in or 6 inch is gonna work!
And thanks for the videos on the .22 Rimfire and how rifles are made. Our research and considerations continue....
Range practice - yes. Nothing special to report. It goes well til it doesn't, and then it's back to reviewing which fundy I messed up.
But we chuckled this week. Both of us are using a 3inch target at either 5 or 7 yds. And we both have a fit when one doesn't land on the 3in target.. Til we realized:
A) if we were shooting this well last year we would have been thrilled, and
B) if hitting a bad person, either 3in or 6 inch is gonna work!
And thanks for the videos on the .22 Rimfire and how rifles are made. Our research and considerations continue....
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at April 06, 2025 08:01 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Also, the loading lever, which is unsupported, often drops after each shot, jamming the revolver. Some people tie up the loading lever with string to avoid that problem. But if you want a cap and ball revolver that will penetrate a buffalo, the Walker with its huge powder capacity will do the job.
Posted by: JTB at April 06, 2025 07:59 PM
What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: JTB at April 06, 2025 07:59 PM
What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: Colt 3rd Model Dragoon at April 06, 2025 08:01 PM (a3Q+t)
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And I do hope to see as many of you as possible at the NoVaMoMe in June. Low-key, as Weasel said, and just a nice way to spend time with some kindred spirits.
Posted by: bluebell at April 06, 2025 08:02 PM (79pEw)
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the new (2017) Colt Cobra ... a Diamondback, one each of earlier Colt Detective Special issues, and a few Python snubbies.
Posted by: Ed L at April 06, 2025 07:37 PM (AiJK3)
I've asked before, but saw a new one yesterday (Viper) so I'll ask again: What's the rundown on the Python, the Cobra, and the Viper? (Also, the Diamondback, if it's .357.) How do they differ?
I still want that Python (2020) in 4". But nothing says you can't own 2 guns of the same make.
Posted by: Ed L at April 06, 2025 07:37 PM (AiJK3)
I've asked before, but saw a new one yesterday (Viper) so I'll ask again: What's the rundown on the Python, the Cobra, and the Viper? (Also, the Diamondback, if it's .357.) How do they differ?
I still want that Python (2020) in 4". But nothing says you can't own 2 guns of the same make.
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 08:02 PM (XR+2F)
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Posted by: bluebell at April 06, 2025 08:00 PM (79pEw)
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Excellent! Thank you for the good news!
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Excellent! Thank you for the good news!
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 08:02 PM (VgEdR)
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Higher velocity increases the odds of the hollow point ammo expanding like it should. Since snubbies don't have much of a barrel to build up velocity, you need your bullet's velocity to get up to speed PDQ.
Or hand load with a much faster powder - unless setting the target on fire at point blank range is an acceptable outcome.
Or hand load with a much faster powder - unless setting the target on fire at point blank range is an acceptable outcome.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 06, 2025 08:02 PM (a4flb)
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bluebell, any chance you're going to make TX for the 10th anniversary hoedown?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 06, 2025 08:03 PM (tT6L1)
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Van Owen, Massad Ayoob in a column commented on Jim Cirillo carrying 2 revolvers when on the stakeout squad for NYPD.
Posted by: whig's phone at April 06, 2025 08:04 PM (ctrM5)
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Hi Blake! I doubt I will be in Texas this fall, but you never know.
Posted by: bluebell at April 06, 2025 08:04 PM (79pEw)
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And a semi-snubbie question.
I acquired a Charter Arms blued old school Pathfinder in 22WMR with birds head walnut grips.
Fun little gun, but it does tend to hang on one cylinder (it won't rotate into position).
I haven't tried to stone or file anything. Are these easy to work on, or should I be calling Charter Arms and waiting for my vintage pistol to return?
I acquired a Charter Arms blued old school Pathfinder in 22WMR with birds head walnut grips.
Fun little gun, but it does tend to hang on one cylinder (it won't rotate into position).
I haven't tried to stone or file anything. Are these easy to work on, or should I be calling Charter Arms and waiting for my vintage pistol to return?
Posted by: Chappyman66 at April 06, 2025 08:04 PM (2fldW)
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Walker replicas can be fun but for shooting purposes, versus display, they have problems.
For me, it's totally about the Texas connection. Actually shooting it would be a secondary consideration. My cunning plan would be to get a conversion cylinder and load up some LRN with black powder (or more likely Pyrodex). Which of course would address exactly none of the problems you noted. But it would be fun.
For me, it's totally about the Texas connection. Actually shooting it would be a secondary consideration. My cunning plan would be to get a conversion cylinder and load up some LRN with black powder (or more likely Pyrodex). Which of course would address exactly none of the problems you noted. But it would be fun.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 06, 2025 08:05 PM (/y8xj)
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He called it the New York reload as it is faster to draw another revolver than reloading one.
Posted by: whig's phone at April 06, 2025 08:05 PM (ctrM5)
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Who thinks the Smith Ultimate Carry 642 is worth the $729 the retailers are asking?
What it has as compared to the 642 is adjustable front and rear sights, the front one nicely lit up, a custom grip, and the specs say a better trigger.
All this for $190 more than the plain one. I see very few used UCs for sale, and those are priced at very close to the $729. but there are plenty of used 642s for sale at about $400.
What it has as compared to the 642 is adjustable front and rear sights, the front one nicely lit up, a custom grip, and the specs say a better trigger.
All this for $190 more than the plain one. I see very few used UCs for sale, and those are priced at very close to the $729. but there are plenty of used 642s for sale at about $400.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at April 06, 2025 08:05 PM (KiBMU)
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Finally! No cigar report is complete without a picture of Diogenes' horny mug.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 07:50 PM (a3Q+t)
Hey!
That's a fun mug.
Put on the kilt, grab the mug, drop the Keltec into the sporran, and the ladies get real.friendly. well, at least until.Mrs D shows up.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 07:50 PM (a3Q+t)
Hey!
That's a fun mug.
Put on the kilt, grab the mug, drop the Keltec into the sporran, and the ladies get real.friendly. well, at least until.Mrs D shows up.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 06, 2025 08:06 PM (W/lyH)
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105 Israel will be zero tariffs. Will be announced tomorrow.
I can already imagine tomorrow's comments in DU and Zerohedge.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 06, 2025 08:00 PM
Trump definitely enjoys flipping the lights on and off just to watch all of the cockroaches scurry about.
I can already imagine tomorrow's comments in DU and Zerohedge.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 06, 2025 08:00 PM
Trump definitely enjoys flipping the lights on and off just to watch all of the cockroaches scurry about.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 06, 2025 08:06 PM (Q4Dc6)
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Van Owen, Massad Ayoob in a column commented on Jim Cirillo carrying 2 revolvers when on the stakeout squad for NYPD.
Posted by: whig's phone at April 06, 2025 08:04 PM (ctrM5)
That may be where the term originated. It just seems apt.
Posted by: whig's phone at April 06, 2025 08:04 PM (ctrM5)
That may be where the term originated. It just seems apt.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 06, 2025 08:07 PM (Hdixl)
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And I do hope to see as many of you as possible at the NoVaMoMe in June. Low-key, as Weasel said, and just a nice way to spend time with some kindred spirits.
Posted by: bluebell at April 06, 2025 08:02 PM
The RMBS Mom and I will be there!
Posted by: bluebell at April 06, 2025 08:02 PM
The RMBS Mom and I will be there!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 06, 2025 08:07 PM (Wnv9h)
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Ed, I think the He yr is more like $1200 although still pricy. It is set up for a suppressor and also a sight, but thee view says the iron sights are pretty good. One review guy was hitting steel at 100 yds with the iron sights.
Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 06, 2025 08:07 PM (t/2Uw)
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Thanks much to Weasel, Bluebell and others involved in assembling the NoVa MoMe. Much appreciated.
Posted by: TRex at April 06, 2025 08:08 PM (IQ6Gq)
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And I do hope to see as many of you as possible at the NoVaMoMe in June. Low-key, as Weasel said, and just a nice way to spend time with some kindred spirits.
Posted by: bluebell at April 06, 2025 08:02 PM
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the taste tester and I will be there!
Posted by: bluebell at April 06, 2025 08:02 PM
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the taste tester and I will be there!
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at April 06, 2025 08:08 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 06, 2025 08:09 PM (tT6L1)
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The RMBS Mom and I will be there!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 06, 2025 08:07 PM (Wnv9h)
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Hooray! Please tell your lovely mama I say hello and I look forward to seeing you both.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 06, 2025 08:07 PM (Wnv9h)
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Hooray! Please tell your lovely mama I say hello and I look forward to seeing you both.
Posted by: bluebell at April 06, 2025 08:09 PM (79pEw)
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Thanks again, weasel, for the gun thread.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 06, 2025 08:09 PM (tT6L1)
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Not a big cigar fan. I used to chain smoke cigs so I naturally inhale cigar smoke, too. It’s like smoking an entire pack of cigs in about a half hour.
But I do enjoy the occasional cigar. I’d prefer a pack of cigarettes to the cigar, but there’s no chance I’m going to smoke a cigar every day, whereas if I pick up a pack of smokes I’ll be back on the wagon.
But I do enjoy the occasional cigar. I’d prefer a pack of cigarettes to the cigar, but there’s no chance I’m going to smoke a cigar every day, whereas if I pick up a pack of smokes I’ll be back on the wagon.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 06, 2025 08:10 PM (l3YAf)
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the taste tester and I will be there!
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at April 06, 2025 08:08 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Glad to hear it! After all, we're the ones who got you into this mess!😄
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at April 06, 2025 08:08 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Glad to hear it! After all, we're the ones who got you into this mess!😄
Posted by: bluebell at April 06, 2025 08:10 PM (79pEw)
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'Night Blake.
Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 06, 2025 08:10 PM (t/2Uw)
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Babylon 5 had an alien race called the Pachmayr.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 06, 2025 08:12 PM (63Dwl)
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What do y'all think about the 338ARC as a replacement for .300blk?
Posted by: Grump928(C) sans apostrophe at April 06, 2025 08:12 PM (HoVXR)
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Bluebell, I'm in.❤️💃
Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 06, 2025 08:12 PM (t/2Uw)
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I always heard the practice referred to as a "New York Reload".
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 06, 2025 07:58 PM (Hdixl)
I have heard that, too. But I understand the "Mexican reload" name came about because it was the practice of a great many Mexican banditos and tough men to carry a second gun tucked behind their sash at their waist. I should probably look more into that.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 06, 2025 07:58 PM (Hdixl)
I have heard that, too. But I understand the "Mexican reload" name came about because it was the practice of a great many Mexican banditos and tough men to carry a second gun tucked behind their sash at their waist. I should probably look more into that.
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 08:12 PM (XR+2F)
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74 ... "That's one reason I'm glad I finally got into reloading. I have stocked up on powder, primers, and bullets, so I should be able to keep shooting for quite a while.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 06, 2025 07:46 PM (Hdixl)
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Bingo!!
It's a fascinating hobby unto itself, but it is a great feeling to know you can go on shooting when the shelves are empty."
Oh my, yes! Weasel said it. Reloading can be as enjoyable as shooting. And if you buy components in bulk when on sale it is a LOT cheaper than commercial ammo. There is a personal time factor, of course, but the advantages are ammo tailored to your specific needs and freedom from supply problems. Unless you are trying to crank out hundreds of rounds per hour, a good single stage press, which is all I use, can last generations. I have a Lee Turret press bought as a factory second 40 years ago which still works perfectly and it does everything I need.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 06, 2025 07:46 PM (Hdixl)
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Bingo!!
It's a fascinating hobby unto itself, but it is a great feeling to know you can go on shooting when the shelves are empty."
Oh my, yes! Weasel said it. Reloading can be as enjoyable as shooting. And if you buy components in bulk when on sale it is a LOT cheaper than commercial ammo. There is a personal time factor, of course, but the advantages are ammo tailored to your specific needs and freedom from supply problems. Unless you are trying to crank out hundreds of rounds per hour, a good single stage press, which is all I use, can last generations. I have a Lee Turret press bought as a factory second 40 years ago which still works perfectly and it does everything I need.
Posted by: JTB at April 06, 2025 08:13 PM (yTvNw)
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All this for $190 more than the plain one. I see very few used UCs for sale, and those are priced at very close to the $729. but there are plenty of used 642s for sale at about $400.
Unless you especially want the bling, for my hard earned $$, I'd go with the used standard one. You may find the factory trigger completely acceptable for a defensive gun but if not, you can have a 'smith slick it up for less than the difference.
Unless you especially want the bling, for my hard earned $$, I'd go with the used standard one. You may find the factory trigger completely acceptable for a defensive gun but if not, you can have a 'smith slick it up for less than the difference.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 06, 2025 08:14 PM (/y8xj)
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Hooray! Please tell your lovely mama I say hello and I look forward to seeing you both.
Posted by: bluebell at April 06, 2025 08:09 PM
Will do. She's looking forward to seeing y'all.
Posted by: bluebell at April 06, 2025 08:09 PM
Will do. She's looking forward to seeing y'all.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 06, 2025 08:14 PM (Wnv9h)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 06, 2025 08:15 PM (mH6SG)
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Snubby accuracy: Years ago I was varmint shooting the local ground squirrels. I ran out of rifle ammo, but still had some daylight left. Digging around in the truck, I found my snub nose S&W .38 and a bag of plinking ammo. After dispatching a few squirrels at short range, I spotted one a long ways off, standing on his mound.
Taking careful aim, I shot and kicked dust up on the mound. The squirrel ducked underground, but immediately popped back up. At my second shot, to my surprise, the squirrel flipped over. I decided to investigate.
67 long paces across flat ground later, I found the deceased squirrel. Nudging him over with the toe of my boot, I saw that I had hit him right between the eyes. I went back to the truck and drove home.
Taking careful aim, I shot and kicked dust up on the mound. The squirrel ducked underground, but immediately popped back up. At my second shot, to my surprise, the squirrel flipped over. I decided to investigate.
67 long paces across flat ground later, I found the deceased squirrel. Nudging him over with the toe of my boot, I saw that I had hit him right between the eyes. I went back to the truck and drove home.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at April 06, 2025 08:15 PM (NPytu)
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In honor of Val Kilmer's passing, I watched "The Ghost and the Darkness" this afternoon. Great movie. Loved the Howdah pistol. One could do an entire thread on the movie guns of Val Kilmer -- this one, the bank job in "Heat", and of course "Tombstone", among many others.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 06, 2025 08:16 PM (Hdixl)
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I adore revolvers, but the one time I shot a snubbie, it went... poorly. So I gave up Jesse's snubbies to his son, without regrets.
I've only been to one NoVaMoMe so far. It was more than worth the 8 hour drive from upstate SC (including the epic clusterfark that is I-95 north of Richmond). Not sure if I can make it this year, will require a bit of finagling due to work-related travel that week.
I've only been to one NoVaMoMe so far. It was more than worth the 8 hour drive from upstate SC (including the epic clusterfark that is I-95 north of Richmond). Not sure if I can make it this year, will require a bit of finagling due to work-related travel that week.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 06, 2025 08:16 PM (Szews)
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Bluebell, I'm in.❤️💃
Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 06, 2025 08:12 PM (t/2Uw)
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You better be! Wouldn't be the same without you.
Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 06, 2025 08:12 PM (t/2Uw)
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You better be! Wouldn't be the same without you.
Posted by: bluebell at April 06, 2025 08:16 PM (79pEw)
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 06, 2025 08:17 PM (Q4Dc6)
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I've asked before, but saw a new one yesterday (Viper) so I'll ask again: What's the rundown on the Python, the Cobra, and the Viper? (Also, the Diamondback, if it's .357.) How do they differ?
I still want that Python (2020) in 4". But nothing says you can't own 2 guns of the same make.
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 08:02 PM (XR+2F)
Colt Cobra (2017): The 21st Century version of the Detective Special. 2" barrel. Rubber grips.
Colt King Cobra (2019): A beefier version of the Cobra chambered in .357, fitted with rubber grips. Originally came with a 3" barrel. More recent carry versions have 2" barrels (like the old Colt Magnum Carry from 199
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Colt Viper: Identical to the King Cobra, but equipped with walnut grips instead of rubber. Comes with either a 3" or 4" barrel. Has only a half-lugged barrel instead of a full-length lugged barrel like the Cobra and King Cobra.
Colt Python: Medium frame revolver in .357. The "Cadillac" of the Colt revolver line, with a significantly better finish and trigger. Has a fully lugged barrel and signature vented rib like the originals.
The Colt Diamondback is a vintage revolver without a modern counterpart in today's Colt revolver lineup.
I still want that Python (2020) in 4". But nothing says you can't own 2 guns of the same make.
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 08:02 PM (XR+2F)
Colt Cobra (2017): The 21st Century version of the Detective Special. 2" barrel. Rubber grips.
Colt King Cobra (2019): A beefier version of the Cobra chambered in .357, fitted with rubber grips. Originally came with a 3" barrel. More recent carry versions have 2" barrels (like the old Colt Magnum Carry from 199
.
Colt Viper: Identical to the King Cobra, but equipped with walnut grips instead of rubber. Comes with either a 3" or 4" barrel. Has only a half-lugged barrel instead of a full-length lugged barrel like the Cobra and King Cobra.
Colt Python: Medium frame revolver in .357. The "Cadillac" of the Colt revolver line, with a significantly better finish and trigger. Has a fully lugged barrel and signature vented rib like the originals.
The Colt Diamondback is a vintage revolver without a modern counterpart in today's Colt revolver lineup.
Posted by: Ed L at April 06, 2025 08:17 PM (AiJK3)
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110 Thanks for the info on .38 special ammo.
Our only .38 is a S&W Chiefs Special Airweight Model 37.
It is not rated for +P ammo, yet still kicks too much for anyone but me to shoot comfortably.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
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Wood grips, aka splinter grips with bare forestrap and backstrap, are not friendly to hands. A few with really big hands put wood target grips on them especially the Smith K Frame snubbie.
The slimmest and best recoil absorber is the Hogue set and pretty cheap too. But, some do not like it because the rubber is rather grabby which can introduce problems on draws like from a pocket.
Pachmyr has two different grips, the Combat grip and the Presentation grip. For a snubbie, the Combat Grip is usually the one to get and the grip is less sticky than the Hogue but since the rubber is a bit harder-less recoil absorbing and they are better for bigger hands.
FWIW, Buffalo Bore (not Bire) has lead free snubbie 110 grain hollow points that are std. pressure. Expensive but use the well regarded Barnes TAC-XP copper bullet at about 1000 fps more or less. Designed for short barrels.
Our only .38 is a S&W Chiefs Special Airweight Model 37.
It is not rated for +P ammo, yet still kicks too much for anyone but me to shoot comfortably.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
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Wood grips, aka splinter grips with bare forestrap and backstrap, are not friendly to hands. A few with really big hands put wood target grips on them especially the Smith K Frame snubbie.
The slimmest and best recoil absorber is the Hogue set and pretty cheap too. But, some do not like it because the rubber is rather grabby which can introduce problems on draws like from a pocket.
Pachmyr has two different grips, the Combat grip and the Presentation grip. For a snubbie, the Combat Grip is usually the one to get and the grip is less sticky than the Hogue but since the rubber is a bit harder-less recoil absorbing and they are better for bigger hands.
FWIW, Buffalo Bore (not Bire) has lead free snubbie 110 grain hollow points that are std. pressure. Expensive but use the well regarded Barnes TAC-XP copper bullet at about 1000 fps more or less. Designed for short barrels.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 08:17 PM (ctrM5)
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Cigars into the humidor today, 5 each, all toro size-
- Puro Ambar, a 'legacy' (no longer made), excellent construction, weird flavor with wrapper soaked in wine, I can see why they failed in the market, but I like it and bought 20-25 when big on-line cigar store found some and sold them cheap.
- Punch Bareknuckle, just about anything else from Punch I found better, reviewers did too as this one didn't get a 90+ rating. Full flavored yard dog.
- Ramon Bueso Olancho, loved this one when I first tried them. But, cigars like with wine, some years are better than others. Yard dog now, so sad.
- Plasencia Sonador, haven't tried it yet, probably a typical connecticut and mild.
- Puro Ambar, a 'legacy' (no longer made), excellent construction, weird flavor with wrapper soaked in wine, I can see why they failed in the market, but I like it and bought 20-25 when big on-line cigar store found some and sold them cheap.
- Punch Bareknuckle, just about anything else from Punch I found better, reviewers did too as this one didn't get a 90+ rating. Full flavored yard dog.
- Ramon Bueso Olancho, loved this one when I first tried them. But, cigars like with wine, some years are better than others. Yard dog now, so sad.
- Plasencia Sonador, haven't tried it yet, probably a typical connecticut and mild.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 06, 2025 08:17 PM (/lPRQ)
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Well done with the Model 64, Weasel. Well done.
Posted by: The Fourth Shot at April 06, 2025 08:17 PM (a3Q+t)
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Screaming, we would love to see you if it works out. I know it's a long way.
Posted by: bluebell at April 06, 2025 08:17 PM (79pEw)
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I adore revolvers, but the one time I shot a snubbie, it went... poorly. So I gave up Jesse's snubbies to his son, without regrets.
I've only been to one NoVaMoMe so far. It was more than worth the 8 hour drive from upstate SC (including the epic clusterfark that is I-95 north of Richmond). Not sure if I can make it this year, will require a bit of finagling due to work-related travel that week.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 06, 2025 08:16 PM
Do it!!!
I might even bring my S&W snubbie with me for the DMVGC shoot.
I've only been to one NoVaMoMe so far. It was more than worth the 8 hour drive from upstate SC (including the epic clusterfark that is I-95 north of Richmond). Not sure if I can make it this year, will require a bit of finagling due to work-related travel that week.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 06, 2025 08:16 PM
Do it!!!
I might even bring my S&W snubbie with me for the DMVGC shoot.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 06, 2025 08:18 PM (Wnv9h)
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108 -
Depends on why you want it.
You mentioned home defense. The Henry is still a lever gun with the associated speed deficit.
Don't get me wrong, I lurv me my lever guns including my Rossi 92 in 357.
But the AR platform is inexpensive and much faster for follow up shots. PSA has many shorter threaded uppers for options if you want short home defense weapon or something suppressed.
Unless you are magazine limited (SNBI) the ARs are tough to beat ...and you can get wood furniture for them.
Depends on why you want it.
You mentioned home defense. The Henry is still a lever gun with the associated speed deficit.
Don't get me wrong, I lurv me my lever guns including my Rossi 92 in 357.
But the AR platform is inexpensive and much faster for follow up shots. PSA has many shorter threaded uppers for options if you want short home defense weapon or something suppressed.
Unless you are magazine limited (SNBI) the ARs are tough to beat ...and you can get wood furniture for them.
Posted by: Chappyman66 at April 06, 2025 08:20 PM (2fldW)
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Just finished a jaunt over to YT. I watched a video covering the recent shoot-out between the Harry S. Truman strike group and the Houthi militia in the Red Sea last week. The Houthis were able to get their re-purposed drones to within CIWS range twice before being shot down. Hmmm ...
Another was taken down by a SM-2 missile. A rather expensive tit for tat.
In naval terms, CIWS range is equivalent to snub nose range for personal defense.
Another was taken down by a SM-2 missile. A rather expensive tit for tat.
In naval terms, CIWS range is equivalent to snub nose range for personal defense.
Posted by: mrp at April 06, 2025 08:21 PM (rj6Yv)
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As far as accuracy goes, snubbies are as accurate mechanically as their bigger counterparts when fired in a Ransom rest (mechanical rest used for testing firearm accuracy with the trigger pulled mechanically rather than by a human).
However, you do get an accuracy dropoff at longer distances than 25 yards simply because of bullet drop ballistics requiring either different powder loading than the longer barrel or some other means to compensate for the lower velocity when firing the same cartridge.
People have tested old worn M&P revolvers (predating the number system at S&W) in such a rest and got results close to 1 inch groupings at 25 yards and 2 inch at 50.
However, you do get an accuracy dropoff at longer distances than 25 yards simply because of bullet drop ballistics requiring either different powder loading than the longer barrel or some other means to compensate for the lower velocity when firing the same cartridge.
People have tested old worn M&P revolvers (predating the number system at S&W) in such a rest and got results close to 1 inch groupings at 25 yards and 2 inch at 50.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 08:21 PM (ctrM5)
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Van Owen, Massad Ayoob in a column commented on Jim Cirillo carrying 2 revolvers when on the stakeout squad for NYPD.
Posted by: whig's phone at April 06, 2025 08:04 PM (ctrM5)
That may be where the term originated. It just seems apt.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 06, 2025 08:07 PM
This has been my understanding for *mumblety-mumble* years.
Posted by: whig's phone at April 06, 2025 08:04 PM (ctrM5)
That may be where the term originated. It just seems apt.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 06, 2025 08:07 PM
This has been my understanding for *mumblety-mumble* years.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 08:22 PM (a3Q+t)
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Not sure if I can make it this year, will require a bit of finagling due to work-related travel that week.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 06, 2025 08:16 PM (Szews)
If you're anywhere near southern VA, let me know, and I will gladly rideshare with you.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 06, 2025 08:16 PM (Szews)
If you're anywhere near southern VA, let me know, and I will gladly rideshare with you.
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 08:23 PM (XR+2F)
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Bluebell, I'm in.
Posted by: Ed L at April 06, 2025 08:23 PM (AiJK3)
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Screaming, we would love to see you if it works out. I know it's a long way.
Posted by: bluebell
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Flights to Babylon DC are cheap(ish) and plentiful from the ATL which is where I'll be the previous week, so it might work. Alas, this means I won't be able to bring any fun stuff along.
Posted by: bluebell
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Flights to Babylon DC are cheap(ish) and plentiful from the ATL which is where I'll be the previous week, so it might work. Alas, this means I won't be able to bring any fun stuff along.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 06, 2025 08:24 PM (Szews)
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82 Finally! No cigar report is complete without a picture of Diogenes' horny mug.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 07:50 PM (a3Q+t)
I thought that was a custom made urinal.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 07:50 PM (a3Q+t)
I thought that was a custom made urinal.
Posted by: Eromero at April 06, 2025 08:24 PM (LHPAg)
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SiD, wouldn't worry about bringing anything. Considering all the local possibilities, I am sure we can accommodate you.🤠
Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 06, 2025 08:25 PM (t/2Uw)
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 08:25 PM (3UCoP)
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Flights to Babylon DC are cheap(ish) and plentiful from the ATL which is where I'll be the previous week, so it might work. Alas, this means I won't be able to bring any fun stuff along.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 06, 2025 08:24 PM
We share our toys!
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 06, 2025 08:24 PM
We share our toys!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 06, 2025 08:25 PM (Wnv9h)
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Speer makes defensive ammo specifically for short-barrel handguns. Optimized for velocity and muzzle flash (an often-overlooked aspect of defensive ammo).
Very hard to find, IME, but worth it when you do.
Fun fact: 9mm velocities are almost always out of 4" barrels. If your's is shorter, you're wandering into snubbie land.
Very hard to find, IME, but worth it when you do.
Fun fact: 9mm velocities are almost always out of 4" barrels. If your's is shorter, you're wandering into snubbie land.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 08:25 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 08:26 PM (VgEdR)
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Wine - good.
Meal - great.
Getting back to the GT? - Priceless!
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 08:25 PM
Decent looking menu. The octopus sounded good.
Meal - great.
Getting back to the GT? - Priceless!
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 08:25 PM
Decent looking menu. The octopus sounded good.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 06, 2025 08:26 PM (Wnv9h)
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I have heard that, too. But I understand the "Mexican reload" name came about because it was the practice of a great many Mexican banditos and tough men to carry a second gun tucked behind their sash at their waist. I should probably look more into that.
Posted by: GWB
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Haven't heard of Mexican Reload but have heard of Mexican carry which is appendix carried without a holster in the waistband. Some cops I knew called it felon carry as it was common for felons to carry that way too.
It can be illegal in some states to carry a firearm in public without a holster probably due to the chance of accidental discharge.
If you must do this, I recommend a firearm with a grip safety. Covering a revolver spur with a thumb on draw might also help with less efficacy as would a safety.
Dangerous to carry a glock or some other firearm with only trigger safeties that way.
Posted by: GWB
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Haven't heard of Mexican Reload but have heard of Mexican carry which is appendix carried without a holster in the waistband. Some cops I knew called it felon carry as it was common for felons to carry that way too.
It can be illegal in some states to carry a firearm in public without a holster probably due to the chance of accidental discharge.
If you must do this, I recommend a firearm with a grip safety. Covering a revolver spur with a thumb on draw might also help with less efficacy as would a safety.
Dangerous to carry a glock or some other firearm with only trigger safeties that way.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 08:27 PM (ctrM5)
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If you're anywhere near southern VA, let me know, and I will gladly rideshare with you.
Posted by: GWB
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If I go I'll be flying in from the ATL directly after a conference. We'll see what my mood is like after 3 days with 1000 librarians.
Posted by: GWB
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If I go I'll be flying in from the ATL directly after a conference. We'll see what my mood is like after 3 days with 1000 librarians.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 06, 2025 08:27 PM (Szews)
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Bluebell, I'm in.
Posted by: Ed L at April 06, 2025 08:23 PM (AiJK3)
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Awesome! I hope all the NoVa gun morons will join you.
Posted by: Ed L at April 06, 2025 08:23 PM (AiJK3)
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Awesome! I hope all the NoVa gun morons will join you.
Posted by: bluebell at April 06, 2025 08:28 PM (79pEw)
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I've long heard the complaint about black powder guns is they have to be cleaned after every session. True, but it only takes me about 5 or 10 minutes longer to clean a Colt 1851 than it does a modern revolver. Same with long guns. Considering the history involved and the fun factor, the small extra time is worth it.
BTW, unless I'm taking a modern gun out the next day or so, I clean them after each session. Don't know if that's a personality quirk or a habit from shooting black powder.
BTW, unless I'm taking a modern gun out the next day or so, I clean them after each session. Don't know if that's a personality quirk or a habit from shooting black powder.
Posted by: JTB at April 06, 2025 08:28 PM (yTvNw)
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If I go I'll be flying in from the ATL directly after a conference. We'll see what my mood is like after 3 days with 1000 librarians.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 06, 2025 08:27 PM (Szews)
I'll be on the high seas. I'll be thinking of the fun I'm missing, until the next round of drinks.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 06, 2025 08:27 PM (Szews)
I'll be on the high seas. I'll be thinking of the fun I'm missing, until the next round of drinks.
Posted by: mrp at April 06, 2025 08:29 PM (rj6Yv)
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So, when is NoVaMoMe? I'm giving that one some thought. Could make a weekend trip of that without too much drama at home.
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Posted by: Ed L at April 06, 2025 08:17 PM (AiJK3)
Aha.... Thank you, Ed. Because of when I go through my gun email, I seldom follow-up on the ads I see.
So, the Viper is the Cobra in a nice dress. And without the true snubbie barrel*. And the Python is still the gorgeous gal who really knows how to dress up, but won't date me because I'm a friend.
(* I broke the flow there. Sorry. I couldn't come up with a good analogy that would fit this nice family blog. The one I thought of involved bewbs.)
Aha.... Thank you, Ed. Because of when I go through my gun email, I seldom follow-up on the ads I see.
So, the Viper is the Cobra in a nice dress. And without the true snubbie barrel*. And the Python is still the gorgeous gal who really knows how to dress up, but won't date me because I'm a friend.
(* I broke the flow there. Sorry. I couldn't come up with a good analogy that would fit this nice family blog. The one I thought of involved bewbs.)
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 08:30 PM (XR+2F)
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So, when is NoVaMoMe? I'm giving that one some thought. Could make a weekend trip of that without too much drama at home.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at April 06, 2025 08:29 PM (h7ZuX)
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Afternoon of 6/21.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at April 06, 2025 08:29 PM (h7ZuX)
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Afternoon of 6/21.
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 08:31 PM (VgEdR)
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167 Speer makes defensive ammo specifically for short-barrel handguns. Optimized for velocity and muzzle flash (an often-overlooked aspect of defensive ammo).
Very hard to find, IME, but worth it when you do.
Fun fact: 9mm velocities are almost always out of 4" barrels. If your's is shorter, you're wandering into snubbie land.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
I see the Speer short barrel rarely nowadays. Right now, the best boutique self defense loads for 38 Special are coming from Buffalo Bore for older firearms including even the 32 S&W Long.
I know some like the Lehigh copper bullets that look like a twisted phillips head screwdriver and that would be appropriate in the only state stupid enough to ban hollow point ammo (NJ). Full wadcutters would be my next recommendation for that state.
Very hard to find, IME, but worth it when you do.
Fun fact: 9mm velocities are almost always out of 4" barrels. If your's is shorter, you're wandering into snubbie land.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
I see the Speer short barrel rarely nowadays. Right now, the best boutique self defense loads for 38 Special are coming from Buffalo Bore for older firearms including even the 32 S&W Long.
I know some like the Lehigh copper bullets that look like a twisted phillips head screwdriver and that would be appropriate in the only state stupid enough to ban hollow point ammo (NJ). Full wadcutters would be my next recommendation for that state.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 08:32 PM (ctrM5)
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Whig, in case you missed it towards the top of the thread, thanks for the tip about testing 9mm NATO spec ammo in my M11A1 to check on that pistol's sights. It appears that NATO spec and +P ammo correct most, if not all, of the low bullet prints on the target I had with the M11A1.
Posted by: Ed L at April 06, 2025 08:32 PM (AiJK3)
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Come join us, Dash!
Posted by: bluebell at April 06, 2025 08:32 PM (79pEw)
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and you can get wood furniture for them.
Posted by: Chappyman66 at April 06, 2025 08:20 PM (2fldW)
I don't get as many emails from them (I think it's Huxworx?) as I used to, and some of the stuff is a little pricey, but some of that stuff turns the very mechanical AR into a really nice bit of functional beauty.
Posted by: Chappyman66 at April 06, 2025 08:20 PM (2fldW)
I don't get as many emails from them (I think it's Huxworx?) as I used to, and some of the stuff is a little pricey, but some of that stuff turns the very mechanical AR into a really nice bit of functional beauty.
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 08:33 PM (XR+2F)
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Dash, the MoMe is Saturday but the last couple of years we've done a range trip on Sunday and then did dinner together at our favorite restaurant. All in the same part of VA.
Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 06, 2025 08:34 PM (t/2Uw)
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Afternoon of 6/21.
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 08:31 PM (VgEdR)
Thanks! I'll put it on the calendar and see how things are looking around next month.
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 08:31 PM (VgEdR)
Thanks! I'll put it on the calendar and see how things are looking around next month.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at April 06, 2025 08:34 PM (h7ZuX)
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So, back to my phantom comment. A week ago, I couldn’t hit dogshit at 750 with the 6.5 CM.
I took it home, deep cleaned, then shot at 100. It was impacting 12 MOA right!
Would not respond much to windage adjustments. I got home, emailed Vortex and, within an hour, had a return slip and USPS label.
Customer service. It’s where it’s at.
I took it home, deep cleaned, then shot at 100. It was impacting 12 MOA right!
Would not respond much to windage adjustments. I got home, emailed Vortex and, within an hour, had a return slip and USPS label.
Customer service. It’s where it’s at.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 08:36 PM (3UCoP)
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Alas, this means I won't be able to bring any fun stuff along.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 06, 2025 08:24 PM (Szews)
Why not? Flying with guns is easy. Though you will need to get yourself a good case before going. Pelicans are good for handguns, and there are cheaper options for long guns.
And I'll still gladly drive you around if you don't want to rent a car in DC.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 06, 2025 08:24 PM (Szews)
Why not? Flying with guns is easy. Though you will need to get yourself a good case before going. Pelicans are good for handguns, and there are cheaper options for long guns.
And I'll still gladly drive you around if you don't want to rent a car in DC.
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 08:36 PM (XR+2F)
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And, if you fly into Reagan, it's not DC, so having guns there is fine.
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 08:37 PM (XR+2F)
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Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 08:30 PM (XR+2F)
The Python is available in a matte finish vice the high polish stainless steel or blue finishes for about $1000 instead of $1500. Haven't seen one in the wild, but it's there in Colt's catalog.
The Python is available in a matte finish vice the high polish stainless steel or blue finishes for about $1000 instead of $1500. Haven't seen one in the wild, but it's there in Colt's catalog.
Posted by: Ed L at April 06, 2025 08:37 PM (AiJK3)
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I had to replace the battery in my red dot, and because the slot wasn't side mounted, I have to re-zero it. First world problems.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 06, 2025 08:37 PM (lhenN)
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179 Whig, in case you missed it towards the top of the thread, thanks for the tip about testing 9mm NATO spec ammo in my M11A1 to check on that pistol's sights. It appears that NATO spec and +P ammo correct most, if not all, of the low bullet prints on the target I had with the M11A1.
Posted by: Ed L
Glad that worked. Sig, in my experience with my own handguns, prefers NATO loads in the P series. Smith and Wesson Third Generation and earlier prefers 115 gr up to +p+ for their steel framed ones in 9mm. +p+ is about 1300 fps and definitely NOT recommended for most 9mms.
Watch out for old Smith and Wesson boxed ammo when Smith actually reloaded ammo in the 80's. Stuff is really hot in loading. Still see it around at gunshops and I had some inherited and you could tell from recoil, etc. it was hot. Turned out even their regular 38 spc +p was loaded something to 1050 or so fps at 158 gr scalloped hollow points. Technically more like +p+.
Stout with a blast and recoil to boot.
Posted by: Ed L
Glad that worked. Sig, in my experience with my own handguns, prefers NATO loads in the P series. Smith and Wesson Third Generation and earlier prefers 115 gr up to +p+ for their steel framed ones in 9mm. +p+ is about 1300 fps and definitely NOT recommended for most 9mms.
Watch out for old Smith and Wesson boxed ammo when Smith actually reloaded ammo in the 80's. Stuff is really hot in loading. Still see it around at gunshops and I had some inherited and you could tell from recoil, etc. it was hot. Turned out even their regular 38 spc +p was loaded something to 1050 or so fps at 158 gr scalloped hollow points. Technically more like +p+.
Stout with a blast and recoil to boot.
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But the good news of the day- I also deep cleaned the AR 10. It loved the bath and put 4 SMK 168s into .683”. No complaints.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 08:41 PM (3UCoP)
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Dash, the MoMe is Saturday but the last couple of years we've done a range trip on Sunday and then did dinner together at our favorite restaurant. All in the same part of VA.
Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 06, 2025 08:34 PM (t/2Uw)
As well as a pre-meet on Friday where we just sit around and BS in a totally non-organized fashion.
Posted by: Sharon(mwillow's apprentice) at April 06, 2025 08:34 PM (t/2Uw)
As well as a pre-meet on Friday where we just sit around and BS in a totally non-organized fashion.
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 08:42 PM (XR+2F)
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The Smith & Wesson Model 642 was my go-to carry for a long time when riding my Harley. Easy to conceal and unobtrusive.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 06, 2025 08:42 PM (mH6SG)
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GWB I agree ....they are the pretty but expensive girl....
GWB I agree ....they are the pretty but expensive girl....
Posted by: Chappyman66 at April 06, 2025 08:43 PM (2fldW)
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One comment re old Colts versus Smith and Wessons. Smith generally had a bit better double action pull from the factory and Colt had a better single action pull. Old Colts have a tendency to stack the trigger in double action (that means the trigger gets heavier (harder) to pull as you approach the trigger break) due to its v main spring. The Smith did not. A gunsmith can alter the spring geometry of an old Colt to avoid this but by the time that was discovered, Colt was changing its lockwork by 1968 to its current (more or less) system.
Smith changed their lockwork around the post war WWII era due to a few Victory series accidental discharges when dropped and that gives those after WWII a bit different feel when firing.
Smith changed their lockwork around the post war WWII era due to a few Victory series accidental discharges when dropped and that gives those after WWII a bit different feel when firing.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 08:44 PM (ctrM5)
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It loved the bath
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 08:41 PM (3UCoP)
Was it a milk bath, with cucumber slices over the sights?
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 08:41 PM (3UCoP)
Was it a milk bath, with cucumber slices over the sights?
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 08:44 PM (XR+2F)
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As well as a pre-meet on Friday where we just sit around and BS in a totally non-organized fashion.
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 08:42 PM (XR+2F)
Yup. I’ve done that a couple of times and it’s great. Especially if you are bashful.
Not that I’ve ever had that problem.
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 08:42 PM (XR+2F)
Yup. I’ve done that a couple of times and it’s great. Especially if you are bashful.
Not that I’ve ever had that problem.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 08:44 PM (3UCoP)
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Watch out for old Smith and Wesson boxed ammo when Smith actually reloaded ammo in the 80's. Stuff is really hot in loading. Still see it around at gunshops and I had some inherited and you could tell from recoil, etc. it was hot. Turned out even their regular 38 spc +p was loaded something to 1050 or so fps at 158 gr scalloped hollow points. Technically more like +p+.
Stout with a blast and recoil to boot.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 08:37 PM (ctrM5)
Yep. I inherited a box of those in my late BIL's ammo stash. They are definitely perky.
Stout with a blast and recoil to boot.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 08:37 PM (ctrM5)
Yep. I inherited a box of those in my late BIL's ammo stash. They are definitely perky.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 06, 2025 08:45 PM (Hdixl)
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191 But the good news of the day- I also deep cleaned the AR 10. It loved the bath and put 4 SMK 168s into .683”. No complaints.
Posted by: RI Red
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Sounds like you have it dialed in. How is the bore erosion ahead of the chamber aka how hot is your load in chrony'ed fps?
Posted by: RI Red
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Sounds like you have it dialed in. How is the bore erosion ahead of the chamber aka how hot is your load in chrony'ed fps?
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 08:45 PM (ctrM5)
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Yup. I’ve done that a couple of times and it’s great. Especially if you are bashful.
Not that I’ve ever had that problem.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 08:44 PM
Booked for NH.
Not that I’ve ever had that problem.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 08:44 PM
Booked for NH.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 06, 2025 08:45 PM (Wnv9h)
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As well as a pre-meet on Friday where we just sit around and BS in a totally non-organized fashion.
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 08:42 PM (XR+2F)
That sounds more likely for me. Would def need to drive back on Sunday.
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 08:42 PM (XR+2F)
That sounds more likely for me. Would def need to drive back on Sunday.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at April 06, 2025 08:46 PM (h7ZuX)
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Yep. I inherited a box of those in my late BIL's ammo stash. They are definitely perky.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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I got a nice orange yellow blast at an inside range when I fired them with notably more recoil and noise. Fortunately in a GP-100. Felt about like the old Skeeter Skelton load (Skeeter used 38 SPC cases due to being cheap (got them for free) with something like +p+ territory.
FIL loaded some for me based on that load (did not know that) and it produced substantial recoil and a big orange fireball on the firing line. Once again, fortunately I was shooting my Ruger at the time chambered in 357.
I quit having him reload for me after that and did it myself. Which is about what one should do.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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I got a nice orange yellow blast at an inside range when I fired them with notably more recoil and noise. Fortunately in a GP-100. Felt about like the old Skeeter Skelton load (Skeeter used 38 SPC cases due to being cheap (got them for free) with something like +p+ territory.
FIL loaded some for me based on that load (did not know that) and it produced substantial recoil and a big orange fireball on the firing line. Once again, fortunately I was shooting my Ruger at the time chambered in 357.
I quit having him reload for me after that and did it myself. Which is about what one should do.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 08:50 PM (ctrM5)
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But the good news of the day- I also deep cleaned the AR 10. It loved the bath and put 4 SMK 168s into .683”. No complaints.
Red, I need to send you some questions about your AR-10. Mine will not feed 168s. I have a hunch why but I'd like to run it by you for comparison. Is the n[xxxx]w.com address OK or should I use something else?
Red, I need to send you some questions about your AR-10. Mine will not feed 168s. I have a hunch why but I'd like to run it by you for comparison. Is the n[xxxx]w.com address OK or should I use something else?
Posted by: Oddbob at April 06, 2025 08:50 PM (/y8xj)
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Was it a milk bath, with cucumber slices over the sights?
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 08:44 PM (XR+2F)
No, but I recorded the whole thing. Pics (SFW) over at my place. http://katnapfever.wordpress.com/
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 08:44 PM (XR+2F)
No, but I recorded the whole thing. Pics (SFW) over at my place. http://katnapfever.wordpress.com/
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 08:50 PM (3UCoP)
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Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel!
Posted by: DBCooper at April 06, 2025 08:51 PM (y1Mvi)
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 08:53 PM (VgEdR)
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I had to replace the battery in my red dot, and because the slot wasn't side mounted, I have to re-zero it. First world problems.
Pro Tip: regularly rotate your batteries through you holo sights. I have standardized my CQB rifles with EOTechs that uses the CR123 battery. Also have standardized flashlights that use the same battery. I'll keep a fresh one in the several EOTechs and rotate the old batteries into the flashlight. I can deal with a flashlight that has
Pro Tip: regularly rotate your batteries through you holo sights. I have standardized my CQB rifles with EOTechs that uses the CR123 battery. Also have standardized flashlights that use the same battery. I'll keep a fresh one in the several EOTechs and rotate the old batteries into the flashlight. I can deal with a flashlight that has
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 06, 2025 08:54 PM (a4flb)
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Time for me to sign off, Weasel. Thanks for hosting!
Posted by: Ed L at April 06, 2025 08:54 PM (AiJK3)
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Why not? Flying with guns is easy. Though you will need to get yourself a good case before going. Pelicans are good for handguns, and there are cheaper options for long guns.
And I'll still gladly drive you around if you don't want to rent a car in DC.
Posted by: GWB
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True, I have just never flown with a gun before. And I'm not sure I want to deal with having one with me in the ATL (although I might end up needing it there, I have no CC permit as of yet, and prefer not to experience the hospitality of the Fulton County Jail.)
Thanks as well for the offer of driving services; will keep that in mind!
And I'll still gladly drive you around if you don't want to rent a car in DC.
Posted by: GWB
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True, I have just never flown with a gun before. And I'm not sure I want to deal with having one with me in the ATL (although I might end up needing it there, I have no CC permit as of yet, and prefer not to experience the hospitality of the Fulton County Jail.)
Thanks as well for the offer of driving services; will keep that in mind!
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 06, 2025 08:54 PM (Szews)
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Always the best thread of the week.
And I even tried to contribute this week instead of just counting comments and hoping for a lack of early morning Zooms.
And I even tried to contribute this week instead of just counting comments and hoping for a lack of early morning Zooms.
Posted by: Chappyman66 at April 06, 2025 08:55 PM (2fldW)
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Posted by: Chappyman66 at April 06, 2025 08:55 PM (2fldW)
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Appreciate it! Always a pleasure to have you here.
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Appreciate it! Always a pleasure to have you here.
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 08:56 PM (VgEdR)
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 08:57 PM (VgEdR)
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191 But the good news of the day- I also deep cleaned the AR 10. It loved the bath and put 4 SMK 168s into .683”. No complaints.
Posted by: RI Red
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Sounds like you have it dialed in. How is the bore erosion ahead of the chamber aka how hot is your load in chrony'ed fps?
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 08:45 PM (ctrM5)
Whig, I borescoped the whole process, also over at my site. Running 2625 fps through my Garmin, and no erosion. But I discovered really abysmal tooling marks in the grooves.
Posted by: RI Red
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Sounds like you have it dialed in. How is the bore erosion ahead of the chamber aka how hot is your load in chrony'ed fps?
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 08:45 PM (ctrM5)
Whig, I borescoped the whole process, also over at my site. Running 2625 fps through my Garmin, and no erosion. But I discovered really abysmal tooling marks in the grooves.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 09:00 PM (3UCoP)
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Just of those things...
@TheKevinDalton 36s
BREAKING:
A minivan drove into a crowd of people in downtown Los Angeles injuring at least nine people, mostly children.
It is unclear what led up to the accident or if the driver has been detained or arrested.
@TheKevinDalton 36s
BREAKING:
A minivan drove into a crowd of people in downtown Los Angeles injuring at least nine people, mostly children.
It is unclear what led up to the accident or if the driver has been detained or arrested.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2025 09:00 PM (mlg/3)
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Weasel,
Precious the Bichon is looking at me with that "Hey! It's time for a walk, shall we?" look. If I'm not here at the end of the thread, thanks. Good information and I got to spread my many opinions (which are worth what folks pay for them). Plus we got to revisit WeaselDog in the closing credits of your video. Good time all around.
Precious the Bichon is looking at me with that "Hey! It's time for a walk, shall we?" look. If I'm not here at the end of the thread, thanks. Good information and I got to spread my many opinions (which are worth what folks pay for them). Plus we got to revisit WeaselDog in the closing credits of your video. Good time all around.
Posted by: JTB at April 06, 2025 09:00 PM (yTvNw)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 06, 2025 09:00 PM (Wnv9h)
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I'll mention something about snubbies--if you do have one for self defense, make sure that you carry at least one speedloader with you.
Snubbies require care when trying to do a reload. If you have something less than a 2.5 inch barrel, you may not punch all of the empties out unless you raise the snubbie all the way up to the sky to have gravity help you do that. Also literally smacking the extractor rod with the flat of your hand helps ensure spent case removal. For this reason, I recommend using nickel cased self defense ammo for snubbies when carrying as well as brass will sometimes hang up.
Now, the bullets, a revolver doesn't care much about the bullet shape it fires, but it does care when you try to load them. Full wadcutters are much more difficult to reload in a hurry--semi wadcutters are better, and round ogives are the best when you are trying to align the speedloader with the chambers of the snubbie.
Some grips may have to be cut so as to allow speed reloaders from Safariland or HKS. If you have pretty wood grips especially of the Magna design, that means cutting out some of it to allow clearance or do without speed loaders (or changing grips).
Snubbies require care when trying to do a reload. If you have something less than a 2.5 inch barrel, you may not punch all of the empties out unless you raise the snubbie all the way up to the sky to have gravity help you do that. Also literally smacking the extractor rod with the flat of your hand helps ensure spent case removal. For this reason, I recommend using nickel cased self defense ammo for snubbies when carrying as well as brass will sometimes hang up.
Now, the bullets, a revolver doesn't care much about the bullet shape it fires, but it does care when you try to load them. Full wadcutters are much more difficult to reload in a hurry--semi wadcutters are better, and round ogives are the best when you are trying to align the speedloader with the chambers of the snubbie.
Some grips may have to be cut so as to allow speed reloaders from Safariland or HKS. If you have pretty wood grips especially of the Magna design, that means cutting out some of it to allow clearance or do without speed loaders (or changing grips).
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 09:02 PM (ctrM5)
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Posted by: JTB at April 06, 2025 09:00 PM (yTvNw)
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Thanks JTB! Always a pleasure to have you here. That clip sure does make me miss my little girl Olive (WD)
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Thanks JTB! Always a pleasure to have you here. That clip sure does make me miss my little girl Olive (WD)
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 09:02 PM (VgEdR)
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Thanks Weasel, gubs!
And thanks Diogenes - another new name added to the list. Haven't come across the 1875 Reserve in the wild, so will have to order some.
And haven't chased the little white ball for a while, though expect to resume soon (had a body part replaced), as well as getting back on the ice. When I had a cigar on the course, typically it would be a bundle connecticut or something. This stick is a classy one to burn between chunked second shots and bad chips and missed 3-foot putts.
As noted before I typically have coffee, as the burning takes place in late afternoon. Only occasionally pair with booze, though with warmer weather and longer days coming I should do more of that, as I have amassed a good selection of rum, bourbon, rye, and cognac to choose from.
And thanks Diogenes - another new name added to the list. Haven't come across the 1875 Reserve in the wild, so will have to order some.
And haven't chased the little white ball for a while, though expect to resume soon (had a body part replaced), as well as getting back on the ice. When I had a cigar on the course, typically it would be a bundle connecticut or something. This stick is a classy one to burn between chunked second shots and bad chips and missed 3-foot putts.
As noted before I typically have coffee, as the burning takes place in late afternoon. Only occasionally pair with booze, though with warmer weather and longer days coming I should do more of that, as I have amassed a good selection of rum, bourbon, rye, and cognac to choose from.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 06, 2025 09:03 PM (1m82a)
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Adios RMBS!!
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 09:06 PM (VgEdR)
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A minivan drove into a crowd of people in downtown Los Angeles injuring at least nine people, mostly children.
Damned minivan. You never know when they are going to go all "Christine" on you.
Damned minivan. You never know when they are going to go all "Christine" on you.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 06, 2025 09:07 PM (a4flb)
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Good tips from whig re revolver reloads.
And Weasel, I am in the snubbie-loving demo. Only have three, but they're all nice (and I've barely resisted others, and may yet get some of them).
Colt Magnum Carry (featured in one of my early cigar reviews) is my favorite. On the small side, a Smith Model 60 with a CrimsonTrace grip is nice, wife loves it. On the beefier side, a Colt King Cobra (old production, not new line) was a "rescue" (mispriced low at my old indoor range, finish restored etc. by Colt Custom Shop with a personal connection of sorts). Purty, and valuable, and nice to shoot.
And Weasel, I am in the snubbie-loving demo. Only have three, but they're all nice (and I've barely resisted others, and may yet get some of them).
Colt Magnum Carry (featured in one of my early cigar reviews) is my favorite. On the small side, a Smith Model 60 with a CrimsonTrace grip is nice, wife loves it. On the beefier side, a Colt King Cobra (old production, not new line) was a "rescue" (mispriced low at my old indoor range, finish restored etc. by Colt Custom Shop with a personal connection of sorts). Purty, and valuable, and nice to shoot.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 06, 2025 09:07 PM (1m82a)
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BREAKING:
A minivan drove into a crowd of people in downtown Los Angeles injuring at least nine people, mostly children.
It is unclear what led up to the accident or if the driver has been detained or arrested.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2025 09:00 PM (mlg/3)
Obviously it's best to wait for details but the silence or amplifilphcation of the Media in these things more or less tells me all I need to know.
A minivan drove into a crowd of people in downtown Los Angeles injuring at least nine people, mostly children.
It is unclear what led up to the accident or if the driver has been detained or arrested.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2025 09:00 PM (mlg/3)
Obviously it's best to wait for details but the silence or amplifilphcation of the Media in these things more or less tells me all I need to know.
Posted by: coyne at April 06, 2025 09:08 PM (Or35E)
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Posted by: rhomboid at April 06, 2025 09:07 PM (1m82a)
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I knew you were a man of refinement and good taste!
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I knew you were a man of refinement and good taste!
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 09:09 PM (VgEdR)
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Whig, I borescoped the whole process, also over at my site. Running 2625 fps through my Garmin, and no erosion. But I discovered really abysmal tooling marks in the grooves.
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That sounds like you have nailed what your rifle likes to eat without excessive pressure. Borescopes back when Hawkeye was the only one in the game, used to be so costly only advanced competition shooters and gunsmiths had them. Universally they were first shocked when using them on new rifles due to different problems they found in the bore.
But, they shot fine. FWIW, I have nightmarish looking bores in old milsurps (e.g. a 1916 original SMLE barrel will tend to look that way from shooting cordite powered ammo), that actually shoot within specs.
They will foul quicker usually but as long as the muzzle is in decent shape aka crown and at the end of the barrel for the last couple of inches (often damaged by cleaning rods in countries that issued them), matter the most.
Throat erosion affects them but mainly if the erosion is not uniform as it produces problems when the bullet hits the rifling. Nicely evenly worn rifling after the throat will shoot better than you think.
Posted by: RI Red
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That sounds like you have nailed what your rifle likes to eat without excessive pressure. Borescopes back when Hawkeye was the only one in the game, used to be so costly only advanced competition shooters and gunsmiths had them. Universally they were first shocked when using them on new rifles due to different problems they found in the bore.
But, they shot fine. FWIW, I have nightmarish looking bores in old milsurps (e.g. a 1916 original SMLE barrel will tend to look that way from shooting cordite powered ammo), that actually shoot within specs.
They will foul quicker usually but as long as the muzzle is in decent shape aka crown and at the end of the barrel for the last couple of inches (often damaged by cleaning rods in countries that issued them), matter the most.
Throat erosion affects them but mainly if the erosion is not uniform as it produces problems when the bullet hits the rifling. Nicely evenly worn rifling after the throat will shoot better than you think.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 09:09 PM (ctrM5)
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Oddbob,
Uttas60@gmail.com
Uttas60@gmail.com
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 09:09 PM (3UCoP)
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And Weasel, I am in the snubbie-loving demo. Only have three, but they're all nice (and I've barely resisted others, and may yet get some of them).
What are your thoughts on the Para-Ordinance's "Warthog" which is a compact .45ACP pistol with a 3" barrel
What are your thoughts on the Para-Ordinance's "Warthog" which is a compact .45ACP pistol with a 3" barrel
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 06, 2025 09:11 PM (a4flb)
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On the subject of doggos -- our almost-1-year-old basset hound Bocephus (yeah, we went with the most redneck name suggestion) was nosing his way into my kitchen trashcan. I came up to him, stomped on the hardwood floor, while at the same time yelling "NO". Wife and daughter both are now due for an underwear change... 
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 06, 2025 09:11 PM (v23vE)
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Thx, Red. I'll send you some pics tomorrow and a short video to demo the problem.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 06, 2025 09:13 PM (/y8xj)
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Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at April 06, 2025 09:11 PM (a4flb)
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Really don't know anything about it. Sorry! Anyone else?
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Really don't know anything about it. Sorry! Anyone else?
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 09:13 PM (VgEdR)
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OK, 9:14 thank you time.
Thank you!
Appreciate all y'all being here and hope to see you next Sunday!
Thank you!
Appreciate all y'all being here and hope to see you next Sunday!
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 09:14 PM (VgEdR)
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229 On the subject of doggos -- our almost-1-year-old basset hound Bocephus (yeah, we went with the most redneck name suggestion) was nosing his way into my kitchen trashcan. I came up to him, stomped on the hardwood floor, while at the same time yelling "NO". Wife and daughter both are now due for an underwear change...
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
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Sounds like you have the Drill Instructor bellow down flat.
There is a story about a little dog that dared go across Vince Lombardi's football field in Green Bay. Lombardi got upset as the players were laughing and pointing at the dog. He bellowed, get that damn dog off the field. Before the players and staff could react, the dog ran away from Vince's voice and off the field.
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Sounds like you have the Drill Instructor bellow down flat.
There is a story about a little dog that dared go across Vince Lombardi's football field in Green Bay. Lombardi got upset as the players were laughing and pointing at the dog. He bellowed, get that damn dog off the field. Before the players and staff could react, the dog ran away from Vince's voice and off the field.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 09:14 PM (ctrM5)
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Thanks Weasel and other posters here for the thread today. Good end to a long week for me.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 09:15 PM (ctrM5)
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Damned minivan. You never know when they are going to go all "Christine" on you.
Posted by: Unknown
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Pfft.
Damned minivan. You never know when they are going to go all "Christine" on you.
Posted by: Unknown
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Pfft.
Posted by: Maximum Overdrive at April 06, 2025 09:15 PM (XeU6L)
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Unknown Drip, my first reaction (about the Warthog) is - I want one! But like Weasel I know nothing about them. A snubbie in 45ACP would be interesting. I only know of a handful of other (larger frame) 45ACP revolvers.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 06, 2025 09:16 PM (1m82a)
Posted by: Killdozer at April 06, 2025 09:17 PM (XeU6L)
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Oddbob, I’ve only had two issues with the .308 round. First, I reloaded some longer bullets and used the wrong ogive measure. The first would fire, but everything else jammed up in the magazine.
The only other thing I had to deal with was the gas pressure. Once I had the spent brass ejecting at 90 degrees, it was all good.
The only other thing I had to deal with was the gas pressure. Once I had the spent brass ejecting at 90 degrees, it was all good.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 09:17 PM (3UCoP)
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Sounds like you have the Drill Instructor bellow down flat.
There is a story about a little dog that dared go across Vince Lombardi's football field in Green Bay. Lombardi got upset as the players were laughing and pointing at the dog. He bellowed, get that damn dog off the field. Before the players and staff could react, the dog ran away from Vince's voice and off the field.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 09:14 PM (ctrM5)
Yeah, I just have to remember to relax my vocal cords, or I'll lose my voice for sure.
I have been on the wrong end of a football coach's voice, so I know how that poor dog at Lambeau must have felt.
There is a story about a little dog that dared go across Vince Lombardi's football field in Green Bay. Lombardi got upset as the players were laughing and pointing at the dog. He bellowed, get that damn dog off the field. Before the players and staff could react, the dog ran away from Vince's voice and off the field.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 09:14 PM (ctrM5)
Yeah, I just have to remember to relax my vocal cords, or I'll lose my voice for sure.
I have been on the wrong end of a football coach's voice, so I know how that poor dog at Lambeau must have felt.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 06, 2025 09:20 PM (v23vE)
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What are your thoughts on the Para-Ordinance's "Warthog" which is a compact .45ACP pistol with a 3" barrel
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
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Some fairly stout recoil in any short barreled 45 ACP and I think that particular adaptation has a coned barrel instead of a barrel bushing. Colt, I think, came out first with a 3.5 inch barrel called the Officer model 1911 using that. Detonics had one that was on Miami Vice in about the same time frame.
You might find modern self defense ammo in 45 ACP a bit skimpy though for short barreled 45 ACP as that is kind of a niche itself.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
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Some fairly stout recoil in any short barreled 45 ACP and I think that particular adaptation has a coned barrel instead of a barrel bushing. Colt, I think, came out first with a 3.5 inch barrel called the Officer model 1911 using that. Detonics had one that was on Miami Vice in about the same time frame.
You might find modern self defense ammo in 45 ACP a bit skimpy though for short barreled 45 ACP as that is kind of a niche itself.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 09:21 PM (ctrM5)
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Back off, dude.
Posted by: Killdozer at April 06, 2025 09:17 PM (XeU6L)
I have a friend who's visiting Granby, Colorado in the coming months. His homework assignment from me is to find any Killdozer Christmas ornaments or other commemorative merchandise.
Posted by: Killdozer at April 06, 2025 09:17 PM (XeU6L)
I have a friend who's visiting Granby, Colorado in the coming months. His homework assignment from me is to find any Killdozer Christmas ornaments or other commemorative merchandise.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 06, 2025 09:21 PM (v23vE)
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Thx, Whig. I figured if the crap in the grooves was not contacting the bullet, then the lands would spin it fine. And, yes, the “ramp” section of the lands from the chamber appear all even.
Nice to know.
Nice to know.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 09:21 PM (3UCoP)
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Finally got to an action handgun match yesterday after a long time for various reasons. Didn't shoot badly considering the amount of trigger time I've had recently (another failing slated to be fixed).
I didn't do a count, but on my squad it seemed 90% now use optics. Also not a rigorous analysis, but observing, taping and scoring targets, the accuracy for the better guys was no better than it's always been. Lots of practice, modified triggers and platforms make these guys good shooters, but it's hard to see the optics have changed anything.
All my stuff is stock, no optics, and generally in the past I shot close to these guys when I was practicing more. The Gear and New Stuff aspect of the gun nut pathology is not really very strong with me.
I didn't do a count, but on my squad it seemed 90% now use optics. Also not a rigorous analysis, but observing, taping and scoring targets, the accuracy for the better guys was no better than it's always been. Lots of practice, modified triggers and platforms make these guys good shooters, but it's hard to see the optics have changed anything.
All my stuff is stock, no optics, and generally in the past I shot close to these guys when I was practicing more. The Gear and New Stuff aspect of the gun nut pathology is not really very strong with me.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 06, 2025 09:22 PM (1m82a)
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Yeah, I just have to remember to relax my vocal cords, or I'll lose my voice for sure.
I have been on the wrong end of a football coach's voice, so I know how that poor dog at Lambeau must have felt.
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Screaming at volume is a useful self defense trick though. "Please Stop" is often useful as it doesn't harm you in court and the ignorant hood rat and witnesses might think you said Police---Stop.
I have been on the wrong end of a football coach's voice, so I know how that poor dog at Lambeau must have felt.
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Screaming at volume is a useful self defense trick though. "Please Stop" is often useful as it doesn't harm you in court and the ignorant hood rat and witnesses might think you said Police---Stop.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 09:23 PM (ctrM5)
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242 Thx, Whig. I figured if the crap in the grooves was not contacting the bullet, then the lands would spin it fine. And, yes, the “ramp” section of the lands from the chamber appear all even.
Nice to know.
Posted by: RI Red
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Proof is always shooting it for accuracy regardless of how it looks on a borescope. But, eliminating that as a variable is why people like Weasel spend big bucks for hand lapped barrels.
Nice to know.
Posted by: RI Red
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Proof is always shooting it for accuracy regardless of how it looks on a borescope. But, eliminating that as a variable is why people like Weasel spend big bucks for hand lapped barrels.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 09:24 PM (ctrM5)
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I have various self-defense ammo types in 38, 38+P, even .357Mag (got it very cheaply in a private sale years ago).
For the snubbies, I have 2 different Buffalo Bore loads, and also Speer Gold Dot 135g, which I got as I recall because it had good short-barrel ballistics test results.
For the snubbies, I have 2 different Buffalo Bore loads, and also Speer Gold Dot 135g, which I got as I recall because it had good short-barrel ballistics test results.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 06, 2025 09:25 PM (1m82a)
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Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea.
I am late to this thing. I have no gun content. I spent the day taking young boys to a farm.
I am late to this thing. I have no gun content. I spent the day taking young boys to a farm.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 06, 2025 09:25 PM (QfvaV)
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I spent the day taking young boys to a farm.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 06, 2025 09:25 PM (QfvaV)
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One of these days maybe I'll get to go to MY farm!
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 06, 2025 09:25 PM (QfvaV)
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One of these days maybe I'll get to go to MY farm!
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 09:29 PM (VgEdR)
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Wife and daughter both are now due for an underwear change...
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 06, 2025 09:11 PM (v23vE)
They schnorfled?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 06, 2025 09:11 PM (v23vE)
They schnorfled?
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 09:31 PM (XR+2F)
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Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 09:24 PM (ctrM5)
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Factory Savage barrels are some of the most accurate out of the box, but man, you do not want to look inside one with a borescope.
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Factory Savage barrels are some of the most accurate out of the box, but man, you do not want to look inside one with a borescope.
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 09:32 PM (VgEdR)
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For the snubbies, I have 2 different Buffalo Bore loads, and also Speer Gold Dot 135g, which I got as I recall because it had good short-barrel ballistics test results.
Posted by: rhomboid
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I was mentioning that I haven't seen Speer's short barreled snubbie ammo in stock recently. Federal discontinued its excellent HST for snubbies to my dismay in about 2018-19 or so and changed design to something a bit less expansive but penetrated a bit more.
Posted by: rhomboid
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I was mentioning that I haven't seen Speer's short barreled snubbie ammo in stock recently. Federal discontinued its excellent HST for snubbies to my dismay in about 2018-19 or so and changed design to something a bit less expansive but penetrated a bit more.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 09:32 PM (ctrM5)
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The barrels, that is. The factory boxes are ok.
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 09:33 PM (VgEdR)
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I spent the day taking young boys to a farm.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 06, 2025 09:25 PM (QfvaV)
That could be taken entirely the wrong way....
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 06, 2025 09:25 PM (QfvaV)
That could be taken entirely the wrong way....
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 09:35 PM (XR+2F)
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Whig, I was absolutely shocked at the difference between my Ruger Predator and the PSA AR10 barrel machining. The first was (and still is)pristine. the second had me fooled into multiple soaks and bore brush scrubs. The rough surface in the lands attracted plenty of carbon, which made it look terrible. With the carbon out it just looked like sloppy machining.
As to hand lapping, I’d do it just for the knowledge. But I’d think it’s diminishing returns with a pretty average gas gun.
And I haven’t even considered bullet button rifling and cold forged. Think I’ll read up on it.
As to hand lapping, I’d do it just for the knowledge. But I’d think it’s diminishing returns with a pretty average gas gun.
And I haven’t even considered bullet button rifling and cold forged. Think I’ll read up on it.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 09:36 PM (3UCoP)
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find any Killdozer Christmas ornaments or other commemorative merchandise.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
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Cold, dude, cold...
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
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Cold, dude, cold...
Posted by: Rachel Corrie at April 06, 2025 09:36 PM (XeU6L)
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I guess I do have some gun content because we did have a sidebar discussion with swa about rifles. She started with that Henry and it kind of went on about what was available in 5.56/.223 and the various parameters of the multi-attribute decision model going into the selection process.
I have been wanting to add a lever into the laager but I do have a black rifle thing going on so a Henry Big Boy X is cool but of course not in 5.56. Plus I would get into ammo sprawl. A detachable mag levergun seems like a cool piece of kit, no one else is doing it, but it's Henry and its pricy.
If you want to shoot .223 with acheap riflebudget oriented firearm you can get a pretty decent gun from PSA for under $500 bones. And THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE but while MD has some specific anti-AR-15 regulation, if you buy a lower and an upper separate, you have not technically purchased an AR15.
I have been wanting to add a lever into the laager but I do have a black rifle thing going on so a Henry Big Boy X is cool but of course not in 5.56. Plus I would get into ammo sprawl. A detachable mag levergun seems like a cool piece of kit, no one else is doing it, but it's Henry and its pricy.
If you want to shoot .223 with a
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 06, 2025 09:37 PM (QfvaV)
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That could be taken entirely the wrong way....
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 09:35 PM (XR+2F)
Could be but not a euphemism. We literally took a 5 yo and 18month old to a working farm to feed the chickens and look at baby goats.
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 09:35 PM (XR+2F)
Could be but not a euphemism. We literally took a 5 yo and 18month old to a working farm to feed the chickens and look at baby goats.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 06, 2025 09:38 PM (QfvaV)
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249 Wife and daughter both are now due for an underwear change...
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 06, 2025 09:11 PM (v23vE)
They schnorfled?
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 09:31 PM (XR+2F)
Is that what the kids are calling Mambo Number One these days?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 06, 2025 09:11 PM (v23vE)
They schnorfled?
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 09:31 PM (XR+2F)
Is that what the kids are calling Mambo Number One these days?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 06, 2025 09:39 PM (v23vE)
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Factory Savage barrels are some of the most accurate out of the box, but man, you do not want to look inside one with a borescope.
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 09:32 PM (VgEdR)
Very interesting, Weasel. I had never considered the issue. Ima gonna have to look inside my Savage Axis and see what it looks like.
I shall report.
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 09:32 PM (VgEdR)
Very interesting, Weasel. I had never considered the issue. Ima gonna have to look inside my Savage Axis and see what it looks like.
I shall report.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 09:40 PM (3UCoP)
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Factory Savage barrels are some of the most accurate out of the box, but man, you do not want to look inside one with a borescope.
Posted by: Weasel
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I use my borescope mainly to look for bad problems in old milsurp barrels which are almost always used--sometimes very used. I honestly did not think I could save the 1916 SMLE as it appeared almost a smooth bore but figured due to its relative historic value (shopped variant) to keep the action together. Turned out to be badly fouled with some pretty bad pitting in the grooves affecting a bit of the rifling and it had a well worn throat but mostly concentric. Crown was ok.
For similar reasons, I got ready at one point to fire lap a barrel but chickened out because it shot ok (1916 GEW Mauser 9 using the old roller coaster iron sights.
Posted by: Weasel
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I use my borescope mainly to look for bad problems in old milsurp barrels which are almost always used--sometimes very used. I honestly did not think I could save the 1916 SMLE as it appeared almost a smooth bore but figured due to its relative historic value (shopped variant) to keep the action together. Turned out to be badly fouled with some pretty bad pitting in the grooves affecting a bit of the rifling and it had a well worn throat but mostly concentric. Crown was ok.
For similar reasons, I got ready at one point to fire lap a barrel but chickened out because it shot ok (1916 GEW Mauser 9
using the old roller coaster iron sights. Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 09:40 PM (ctrM5)
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I think FSJ is having a dream. He's asleep in the little heaty bed and making tiny barking sounds.
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 09:42 PM (VgEdR)
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Food Thread is at 273. Do we have a surge for Weasel-san?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 09:43 PM (a3Q+t)
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Food Thread is at 273. Do we have a surge for Weasel-san?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 09:43 PM (a3Q+t)
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That close? I was afraid to look!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 09:43 PM (a3Q+t)
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That close? I was afraid to look!
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 09:44 PM (VgEdR)
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254 Whig, I was absolutely shocked at the difference between my Ruger Predator and the PSA AR10 barrel machining. The first was (and still is)pristine. the second had me fooled into multiple soaks and bore brush scrubs. The rough surface in the lands attracted plenty of carbon, which made it look terrible. With the carbon out it just looked like sloppy machining.
As to hand lapping, I’d do it just for the knowledge. But I’d think it’s diminishing returns with a pretty average gas gun.
And I haven’t even considered bullet button rifling and cold forged. Think I’ll read up on it.
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Hand lapping is artistry with a barrel where people do it for a long time to get proficiency. Much easier to buy one done by someone else.
Easiest way for us normies to do it is via fire lapping but if it shoots the accuracy you are reporting, I wouldn't.
You can make an accurate rifle barrel using all the different methods, the oldest being cutting one groove at a time. Button uses a carbide button and CHF-cold hammer forged barrels require really expensive and massive machines to do it made by one company in Austria the last time I checked.
As to hand lapping, I’d do it just for the knowledge. But I’d think it’s diminishing returns with a pretty average gas gun.
And I haven’t even considered bullet button rifling and cold forged. Think I’ll read up on it.
Posted by: RI Red
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Hand lapping is artistry with a barrel where people do it for a long time to get proficiency. Much easier to buy one done by someone else.
Easiest way for us normies to do it is via fire lapping but if it shoots the accuracy you are reporting, I wouldn't.
You can make an accurate rifle barrel using all the different methods, the oldest being cutting one groove at a time. Button uses a carbide button and CHF-cold hammer forged barrels require really expensive and massive machines to do it made by one company in Austria the last time I checked.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 09:44 PM (ctrM5)
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I think FSJ is having a dream. He's asleep in the little heaty bed and making tiny barking sounds.
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 09:42 PM
Wave a treat in front of his nose.
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 09:42 PM
Wave a treat in front of his nose.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 09:45 PM (a3Q+t)
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Hello there,
I finally managed to offload The Giggle Machine (RIA 1911 in .22TCM) and was tossing up whether to replace it with a lever gun or scout rifle for that coveted 'range toy' spot we all have in the safe and suddenly...snubby enters the chat. Hmmmmmm
I finally managed to offload The Giggle Machine (RIA 1911 in .22TCM) and was tossing up whether to replace it with a lever gun or scout rifle for that coveted 'range toy' spot we all have in the safe and suddenly...snubby enters the chat. Hmmmmmm
Posted by: Nato at April 06, 2025 09:45 PM (ciuRb)
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Gotta step away and prepare for the ONT. Thanks Horde and thanks Weasel! Always appreciate a good gub thread.
Posted by: TRex at April 06, 2025 09:46 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Adios TRex!
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 09:46 PM (VgEdR)
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An entire Thread, and noone has shed a tear for Master Hogg's organization laying off 12 of its 14 employees. Sad!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 09:47 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 09:47 PM (VgEdR)
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Food Thread is at 273. Do we have a surge for Weasel-san?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 09:43 PM (a3Q+t)
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That close? I was afraid to look!
Posted by: Weasel
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One could argue that comments made at 7:00 and later do not count.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 09:43 PM (a3Q+t)
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That close? I was afraid to look!
Posted by: Weasel
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One could argue that comments made at 7:00 and later do not count.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 06, 2025 09:49 PM (/lPRQ)
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Missile to the Moon is… a remake of an earlier film, Cat-Women of the Moon (1953).
Always steal from the best.
Always steal from the best.
Posted by: mindful webworker - the best of the worst at April 06, 2025 09:49 PM (qzYav)
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I think FSJ is having a dream. He's asleep in the little heaty bed ....
OK, if there is a next life, I want to return as one of Weasel's little dogs, with my own heaty bed and round the clock treats!
OK, if there is a next life, I want to return as one of Weasel's little dogs, with my own heaty bed and round the clock treats!
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at April 06, 2025 09:49 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Weasel-san, what are your thoughts on over-bore calibers - threat or menace?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 09:49 PM (a3Q+t)
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Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 09:49 PM (a3Q+t)
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Both a threat and menace to the chamber throats!
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Both a threat and menace to the chamber throats!
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 09:50 PM (VgEdR)
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For information that folks may or may not care about.
When I am talking about fire lapping, I am speaking about using fired bullets to accelerate wear in the barrel so as to remove manufacturing imperfections.
Fire lapping is using a bullet embedded with lapping compound and firing it through the bore btw. Essentially you are betting that the wear induced by the fire lapped bullet series will improve accuracy. Pretty much a last ditch effort to improve a poor shooting barrel but has the potential to make it shoot worse.
Hand lapped barrels, by contrast, are essentially polishing the bore with a lapping compound impregnated lead slug which is carefully moved though the barrel repeatedly by hand. Does the same job as firelapping but requires vast skill (not a diy job really) to cast the proper slug, impregnate it, and not damage the barrel when doing it over and again. you pay for that guy's time but get an awesome polished bore that rarely fouls much and retains top notch accuracy. Only useful for the best barrel makers.
When I am talking about fire lapping, I am speaking about using fired bullets to accelerate wear in the barrel so as to remove manufacturing imperfections.
Fire lapping is using a bullet embedded with lapping compound and firing it through the bore btw. Essentially you are betting that the wear induced by the fire lapped bullet series will improve accuracy. Pretty much a last ditch effort to improve a poor shooting barrel but has the potential to make it shoot worse.
Hand lapped barrels, by contrast, are essentially polishing the bore with a lapping compound impregnated lead slug which is carefully moved though the barrel repeatedly by hand. Does the same job as firelapping but requires vast skill (not a diy job really) to cast the proper slug, impregnate it, and not damage the barrel when doing it over and again. you pay for that guy's time but get an awesome polished bore that rarely fouls much and retains top notch accuracy. Only useful for the best barrel makers.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 09:50 PM (ctrM5)
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Speaking of optics - I have been a proponent of dots on everything. And that got retrofitted to dots on everything made for dots.
I don't know exactly where I am right now. There was a period of time where the dots improved my shooting. But I've had a lot more time regularly shooting and the dots make minimal difference now. I can shoot my iron sight pistols as well as my dotted ones. Longer arms still need optics. But I watch swa shoot with a nice greendot Holosun and an ironsighted G48 and she shoots both just as well.
It's almost like something else matters. Something, you know, fundamental...
I don't know exactly where I am right now. There was a period of time where the dots improved my shooting. But I've had a lot more time regularly shooting and the dots make minimal difference now. I can shoot my iron sight pistols as well as my dotted ones. Longer arms still need optics. But I watch swa shoot with a nice greendot Holosun and an ironsighted G48 and she shoots both just as well.
It's almost like something else matters. Something, you know, fundamental...
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 06, 2025 09:51 PM (QfvaV)
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Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at April 06, 2025 09:49 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Ha! A friend of the family says exactly the same thing!
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Ha! A friend of the family says exactly the same thing!
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 09:51 PM (VgEdR)
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269 An entire Thread, and noone has shed a tear for Master Hogg's organization laying off 12 of its 14 employees. Sad!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 09:47 PM (a3Q+t)
... trying ...
... trying ...
Nope. I got nothin'.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 09:47 PM (a3Q+t)
... trying ...
... trying ...
Nope. I got nothin'.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 06, 2025 09:52 PM (v23vE)
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OK, thread count achieved so I need to go prepare for tomorrow. Thanks Weasel and good night Horde!
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at April 06, 2025 09:52 PM (IQ6Gq)
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One could argue that comments made at 7:00 and later do not count.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 06, 2025 09:49 PM
Would one want to argue that ... on this Thread ... with an 0700 hrs EDT Zoom call with an overly-emotional Ewok hanging in the balance?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 06, 2025 09:49 PM
Would one want to argue that ... on this Thread ... with an 0700 hrs EDT Zoom call with an overly-emotional Ewok hanging in the balance?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 06, 2025 09:52 PM (a3Q+t)
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266 Hello there,
I finally managed to offload The Giggle Machine (RIA 1911 in .22TCM) and was tossing up whether to replace it with a lever gun or scout rifle for that coveted 'range toy' spot we all have in the safe and suddenly...snubby enters the chat. Hmmmmmm
Posted by: Nato
Snubbies ain't exactly a fun gun but if you can shoot a snubbie in double action accurately, then you will be able to shoot other handguns more accurately as well. Have to execute Weasel's basics on trigger and alignment perfectly to shoot them well.
I finally managed to offload The Giggle Machine (RIA 1911 in .22TCM) and was tossing up whether to replace it with a lever gun or scout rifle for that coveted 'range toy' spot we all have in the safe and suddenly...snubby enters the chat. Hmmmmmm
Posted by: Nato
Snubbies ain't exactly a fun gun but if you can shoot a snubbie in double action accurately, then you will be able to shoot other handguns more accurately as well. Have to execute Weasel's basics on trigger and alignment perfectly to shoot them well.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 09:52 PM (ctrM5)
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Surge!
Posted by: Chappyman66 at April 06, 2025 09:53 PM (2fldW)
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Lapping with cast lead of appropriate size embedded with 1000 grit (or finer) diamond dust?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 06, 2025 09:53 PM (/lPRQ)
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261 I think FSJ is having a dream. He's asleep in the little heaty bed and making tiny barking sounds.
Posted by: Weasel
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Chasing a rabbit no doubt. Hopefully he catches it in his dreams.
Posted by: Weasel
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Chasing a rabbit no doubt. Hopefully he catches it in his dreams.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 09:53 PM (ctrM5)
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Whig, I borescoped the whole process, also over at my site. Running 2625 fps through my Garmin, and no erosion. But I discovered really abysmal tooling marks in the grooves.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 09:00 PM
Red (and others),
Do the tooling marks really matter since they are the same for every shot?
Or does their ability to trap residue increase to difference in bullet strike versus POA from shot #5 to shot #25, compared to a cleaner bore? (And is therefore detrimental?)
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 09:00 PM
Red (and others),
Do the tooling marks really matter since they are the same for every shot?
Or does their ability to trap residue increase to difference in bullet strike versus POA from shot #5 to shot #25, compared to a cleaner bore? (And is therefore detrimental?)
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 06, 2025 09:57 PM (Q4Dc6)
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Lapping with cast lead of appropriate size embedded with 1000 grit (or finer) diamond dust?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 06, 2025 09:53 PM (/lPRQ)
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I use diamond lapping compound down to 1 micron as a stropping/polishing abrasive and that's like a zillion grit.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 06, 2025 09:53 PM (/lPRQ)
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I use diamond lapping compound down to 1 micron as a stropping/polishing abrasive and that's like a zillion grit.
Posted by: Weasel at April 06, 2025 09:58 PM (VgEdR)
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284 Lapping with cast lead of appropriate size embedded with 1000 grit (or finer) diamond dust?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
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That is kinda one of those secret sauce that each individual barrel lapper figures out that works for him and his employer.
You can get JB Bore Cleaner and follow it with their JB Bore Bright. These are basically lapping compounds and you do similar strokes with a cleaning rod and patch wrapped old bore brush to do it.
It does reduce fouling on older and worn bores without removing enough to effect accuracy. Need to follow the directions exactly but it does work and helps even old pitted bores look brighter instead of gray.
On a new bore, I would try firing range quality ammo for about 100-200 rounds first before going to this extent. Often firing enough plain fmj bullets will end up polishing the bore just fine. Accuracy may start at bad and then gradually improve as you shoot and clean, etc. as needed until the fouling lessens and accuracy is better.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
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That is kinda one of those secret sauce that each individual barrel lapper figures out that works for him and his employer.
You can get JB Bore Cleaner and follow it with their JB Bore Bright. These are basically lapping compounds and you do similar strokes with a cleaning rod and patch wrapped old bore brush to do it.
It does reduce fouling on older and worn bores without removing enough to effect accuracy. Need to follow the directions exactly but it does work and helps even old pitted bores look brighter instead of gray.
On a new bore, I would try firing range quality ammo for about 100-200 rounds first before going to this extent. Often firing enough plain fmj bullets will end up polishing the bore just fine. Accuracy may start at bad and then gradually improve as you shoot and clean, etc. as needed until the fouling lessens and accuracy is better.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 09:59 PM (ctrM5)
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Nood
Posted by: tankdemon at April 06, 2025 10:01 PM (FVLcK)
Posted by: mindful webworker - again at April 06, 2025 10:01 PM (qzYav)
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Do the tooling marks really matter since they are the same for every shot?
Or does their ability to trap residue increase to difference in bullet strike versus POA from shot #5 to shot #25, compared to a cleaner bore? (And is therefore detrimental?)
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
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Weasel is at the top scale of accuracy where every advantage matters. Doesn't matter so much for a hunter, casual range shooter, etc. except for the nuisance of cleaning the fouling.
But, every rifle barrel is almost an individual in itself as to what it likes and doesn't like. Buying expensive barrels with expensive handlapping improves the odds if everything else is there like stock, shooting ability, receiver, etc. but most people can't shoot that well anyway as to notice.
Or does their ability to trap residue increase to difference in bullet strike versus POA from shot #5 to shot #25, compared to a cleaner bore? (And is therefore detrimental?)
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
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Weasel is at the top scale of accuracy where every advantage matters. Doesn't matter so much for a hunter, casual range shooter, etc. except for the nuisance of cleaning the fouling.
But, every rifle barrel is almost an individual in itself as to what it likes and doesn't like. Buying expensive barrels with expensive handlapping improves the odds if everything else is there like stock, shooting ability, receiver, etc. but most people can't shoot that well anyway as to notice.
Posted by: whig at April 06, 2025 10:03 PM (ctrM5)
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PI, no idea.
Weasel, I had no idea.
Whig, I am in awe. Lapping by any means is way up the ladder.
And, Weasel, you never added that to my learning curve!
Weasel, I had no idea.
Whig, I am in awe. Lapping by any means is way up the ladder.
And, Weasel, you never added that to my learning curve!
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 10:05 PM (3UCoP)
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OK, TTG. Thanks, Weasel, Whig, et al.
Best place on the inner tubes.
Best place on the inner tubes.
Posted by: RI Red at April 06, 2025 10:08 PM (3UCoP)
294
... trying ...
... trying ...
Nope. I got nothin'.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 06, 2025 09:52 PM (v23vE)
I know it's late (willowed), but I have to post this song because of that:
https://shorturl.at/618C0
... trying ...
Nope. I got nothin'.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at April 06, 2025 09:52 PM (v23vE)
I know it's late (willowed), but I have to post this song because of that:
https://shorturl.at/618C0
Posted by: GWB at April 06, 2025 10:09 PM (XR+2F)
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Hickok 45 the YouTube guy says as re snubbies that the huge percentage of defensive shootings is a 3 round 3 yards 3 seconds thing.
I practice with my handguns at 7 and 15 yards, 15 for the Ruger MKII gummint 22. My only revolver is a Ruger SP101 3" and I hit far better with it, than with my semiautos in 380, 9, and 45.
I need instruction and a lot more range time, I guess.
I practice with my handguns at 7 and 15 yards, 15 for the Ruger MKII gummint 22. My only revolver is a Ruger SP101 3" and I hit far better with it, than with my semiautos in 380, 9, and 45.
I need instruction and a lot more range time, I guess.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at April 06, 2025 10:09 PM (KiBMU)
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Head to the ranch tomorrow. A couple of pews to stretch out. Hand loads for the 7 and, well, hand loads for the muzzleloader, too.
Hornady makes some 50 cal, full-diameter, pressure-based, ballistic-tip ML rounds that are now legal in Idaho. Have to see what they do.
Loads for the 7mmMag are 175 grn ballistic tip boat tail to compare with some commercial rounds. Since I laddered the handloads last week, I know the commercial will be faster, but I bet mine are more accurate at long range.
Hornady makes some 50 cal, full-diameter, pressure-based, ballistic-tip ML rounds that are now legal in Idaho. Have to see what they do.
Loads for the 7mmMag are 175 grn ballistic tip boat tail to compare with some commercial rounds. Since I laddered the handloads last week, I know the commercial will be faster, but I bet mine are more accurate at long range.
Posted by: Igotnothing at April 07, 2025 02:40 AM (LTRHw)
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