Gardening, Home and Nature Thread, March 29

From the famous Pat*:

I bought 40 crocus bulbs a few years back. Now I have about 80 flowers - a good return on investment!

I would say so! Lovely! Tells us your secrets.

Tulips, Crocuses, Hyacinths and More today! And we have extras for next week!

Don in Kansas:

Definitely Spring

More interesting flowers at the link, including one actually grown for fuzzy seed heads. Expand your horizons!

Years ago, I bought Mrs. BD a bouquet of tulips. The bulbs were still attached. Mrs. BD, having no luck ever with tulip bulbs, tossed all the bulbs out except for one. She took one of our granddaughters outside for some garden planting activity in our north Israel vacation home.

One year later, lo and behold, we’ve had tulips blossoming ever since then at around this time of the year.

Best Regards from northern Israel,

Biden’s Dog

Not every tulip will re-bloom in a warm-winter climate. Lovely.

Thanks for sending it in! Great story.

Edible Gardening/Putting Things By

Question about growing tomatoes from NorCal Sierra Foothills Lurker:

I’m sitting here daydreaming about a vegetable garden and our #1 plant... tomatoes. It got me thinking though, and wondering about my problem with them and I wonder if it’s weird or common. Tomato plants make me itch to high heaven and my arms turn red after digging through them to pick. I am not allergic to tomatoes. The only way to get it to stop is first using gojo liberally and thoroughly win dry skin and hands, rinse off then wash well with soap. So... strange or common?

I do love the garden thread and appreciate your work. And I hope you are doing much better.

Has anyone else experienced something like this?

Any tips if you have noticed this?

Mid-afternoon here now. Just stepped outside into our back garden and noticed that the lemon tree is very pretty!

Biden’s Dog

Yes, it is very pretty. Bet it smells great.

KT - Hoping you are doing better.

What I think I like best about spring is that hope springs eternal, and our motivations to do better this year abound.

I had a terrible gardening year last year, tomato blight, other disasters, a real wet fall that stayed very warm until all of a sudden it wasn't. The strawberry bed failed, and fruit trees didn't fruit. A disaster. And I wasn't very motivated and almost didn't get the winter garlic in. The carburetor in my garden tiller was failing. Ugh! No salsa! Very few pickles! No peach or strawberry preserves! I felt like Richie in a Christmas Story when the neighbor's dogs get the Christmas turkey.

I did manage to get the garlic in right before an extremely hard freeze hit. Planting location was driven by where the garden was dry enough to get my failing tiller to create a planting bed. They say even if it isn't prime garlic planting time, some garlic is better than no garlic.

In January I was poring over seed catalogs as well as remedies to attack my blight problem, as well as some other soil improvements.

At the beginning of March I hauled 3 cu yds of compost, mixed in ammonium sulfate to try and do a bit of Ph repair (better in the fall I know), then covered it with 2 cu yds of fine mulch. I had to get it all done before the rain came, after work each night, right after we had come back from an Arizona vacation. And you know how work goes when you have been gone for a week.

I'll till it all into the soil in May before the tomatoes are ready to plant. That corner that is barren will get a cubic yard or so of a sand based compost to re-establish the strawberries - which I need to order today.

Then I needed to make sure the seedlings got started in time - I was a bit late last year (foreshadowing much, right?). I've been migrating to the bigger Jiffy peat pellets. All planted and coming up - I even went out and got some seed starting heating pads.

I've got professional black cloth mulch ready to go to put down in the tomato garden to help keep down weeds and hopefully combat the blight coming up from the ground.

I've got my lists for tomato cage replacements and new posts I need. The tiller got repaired this week. And here is what my garlic efforts have produced.

A garden coming out of winter with:

Little garlics! Almost like I've been rewarded for being a bit more diligent this winter.

Fruit trees have been pruned - the apple trees will be oil soap sprayed this week. Perhaps this year will be a better one. Spring is the time for redemption - I hope.

Black JEM

YAY Hope your garden turns out great this year.

Ah, Nature

Photo from DaughterH and a photo from Hrothgar his own self

Fits the Pet thread because she took this picture whilst walking her pups;
Fits the garden thread because this is a natural scene with (presumably) wild swans

Fits the landscaping thread because the Tulip Magnolia managed to make it to full bloom status before the errant winds of Spring blew ALL the blossoms as usually happens.

Love these. Don't you?

Gardens of The Horde

When I got my diagnosis in October, I decided to order lots of bulbs and flowers so that I would have something pretty to look at this Spring (I kind of overdid it in a BIG way...).

Anyway, when they came in I had our lawn service guys plant them all over our postage-stamp-sized gardens, and now they are starting to come up. The Hyacinths smell AMAZING!

Poor Mr. TiFW is going to have to figure out what to do with all of these bulbs when they come back next Spring if I'm not here . . .

Teresa in Fort Worth

They are beautiful! We all hope that you see all the bulbs return next year and that you send in more photos!

Hope everyone has a nice weekend.

If you would like to send photos, stories, links, etc. for the Saturday Gardening, Puttering and Adventure Thread, the address is:

ktinthegarden at g mail dot com

Remember to include the nic or name by which you wish to be known at AoSHQ, or let us know if you want to remain a lurker.

2 Weeks in Review

What has changed since last week's thread? Misanthropic Humanitarian posted the First Gardening Thread Of Spring 2025. With Forsythias!

The previous week, there were daffodils, plus fruit blossoms and veggie plants in Arizona! Ahead of most of The Horde, I would say. Gardening, Puttering and Adventure Thread, March 15

I closed the comments on this post so you wouldn't get banned for commenting on a week-old post, but don't try it anyway.

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1 Good afternoon Greenthumbs

Posted by: Skip at March 29, 2025 01:35 PM (1m+BG)

2 I am ready to start planting. Waited tillthis weekend as we had a couple of 80 degree days. I have my plants from Burpees and Logees to plant and will be transplanting some of the stuff in containers. My little greenhouse lasted one day, till the winds hit it. I have to rebuild it and figure out how to stablize it.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 29, 2025 01:36 PM (cvWHI)

3 Besides a large pile of leaves from Fall I have to chop up and get into the compost bin, seeing Daffodils and Forsythia are popping out.

Posted by: Skip at March 29, 2025 01:37 PM (1m+BG)

4 Good morning gardeners. I have an erratic line of daffodils next to the fence and they are blooming today. We are supposed to get 1-2 inches of rain this weekend. We got some overnight, and are supposed to get more tonight. I don't have a rain gauge but the water in the feed tubs looks like we got 1/2 inch. It's been quite dry this winter so it would be wonderful if we get another 1.5 inches.

Posted by: PaleRider at March 29, 2025 01:39 PM (CKOCg)

5 Had to mow (1st time this year) last week. Tractor started right up!

Last use was in mid-December, so it hadn't been idle for *very* long...

Posted by: JQ at March 29, 2025 01:42 PM (rdVOm)

6 Nice garden, Teresa in Fort Worth. I hope you get to see the flowers again next year.

I read that you were looking at red-haired wigs last night on the ONT. You should get a Raggedy Ann wig, so you can always complain that you're having a bad hair day.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 29, 2025 01:42 PM (VNX3d)

7 Notsothoreau, can you put it closer to the house or garage to block the wind from the most common direction?

Posted by: PaleRider at March 29, 2025 01:42 PM (CKOCg)

8 Hi, everybody! Good to see spring flowers come! My usual quota of about 15 photos filled up fast!

Posted by: KT at March 29, 2025 01:43 PM (xekrU)

9 Tomato plants do sometimes make me itch a little. Not like, say, okra. But still, I sometimes prefer gloves and long sleeves for big picking jobs. Tomato plants are kinda fuzzy and may have some sort of defensive glands on them.

Posted by: KT at March 29, 2025 01:46 PM (xekrU)

10 This is my favorite time of year! Everything is in bloom and the sights and smells of spring are everywhere!

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 29, 2025 01:52 PM (l3YAf)

11 We're off to snag 2 Natchez crape myrtle trees, and hopefully a Rose of Sharon as well.

I have a 6' trellis at the corner of the porch, south and west facing, that needs something to climb up it. Something that likes a lot of sun, and can be topped to prevent it from climbing on the roof. Preferable perennial. Any thoughts for a 7b growing zone?

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at March 29, 2025 01:54 PM (w6EFb)

12 It was next to the house, southern exposure. It's one of those little walkin greenhouses. We had it staked out, but winds were 26mph. I went out back and found it pretty much flapping in the breeze. Iam thinking about getting four rebars, to fo in the frame and sink into the ground.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 29, 2025 01:56 PM (cvWHI)

13 All so beautiful! Thanks, KT. I hope you’re better, by the way.

Posted by: Eromero at March 29, 2025 01:57 PM (p4vtc)

14 Can you grow clematis? Mine seems pretty well behaved.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 29, 2025 01:57 PM (cvWHI)

15 Smiles, buffs nails on greasy tee-shirt, and heads off to read the ensuing content!

I must admit, I am always pleased when the perennials reappear each spring in spite of my benign neglect! Always gives me hope for the remainder of the year!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - THIS Year in Corsicana - again at March 29, 2025 01:57 PM (hOUT3)

16 Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at March 29, 2025 01:54 PM (w6EFb)

My personal experience with Rose of Sharon is that it is a horrible weed at heart.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - THIS Year in Corsicana - again at March 29, 2025 02:00 PM (hOUT3)

17 My wife just came into the shed, where I hang out on nice days, and dropped about ten pounds of (loose) potting soil all over the floor and the dog bed. I think she's done gardening for today. (The bag was previously opened and she picked it up upside down).

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 29, 2025 02:05 PM (2cS/G)

18 Every time I put something in the ground the squirrels get it so I have declared war against them & I will eradicate every one of them. I'm not playing with them anymore.

Posted by: Bob at March 29, 2025 02:13 PM (YiqZD)

19 Glad to see you are back in the driver's seat KT!

Posted by: kallisto at March 29, 2025 02:14 PM (dCxaZ)

20 14 Can you grow clematis? Mine seems pretty well behaved.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 29, 2025 01:57 PM (cvWHI)

My east/north facing clematis are ecstatic, but most of the time they don't want this kind of baking sun, especially the base.

16 My personal experience with Rose of Sharon is that it is a horrible weed at heart.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - THIS Year in Corsicana - again at March 29, 2025 02:00 PM (hOUT3)

MiL loves hibiscus, but they can't seem to make it through the winter here, even in a pot in the garage. I thought a Rose of Sharon might suit her needs. She claims she had 2 hibiscus trees at the old back entrance to the house (which had to be removed when they did an addition years ago). I'm wondering if they were actually Rose of Sharon trees. I know they do well sitting mostly in shade. Will have to look into this.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at March 29, 2025 02:14 PM (w6EFb)

21 Tomato plants make me itch to high heaven and my arms turn red after digging through them to pick. I am not allergic to tomatoes. The only way to get it to stop is first using gojo liberally and thoroughly win dry skin and hands, rinse off then wash well with soap. So... strange or common?

I don't know if it's common, but I have the same problem with pretty much every outdoor plant. Ones in the rose family especially. (Roses, cane berries, etc)

So my solution is to wear long sleeves - light-colored cotton in a very close weave - and use gauntleted gardening gloves.

Yes, it makes things hotter and sweatier. But it and an allergen mask (and yes, scrubbing any exposed skin with soap and water) keep me from going down with hay-fever.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at March 29, 2025 02:20 PM (B4OJl)

22 I'm going to step aside for a little bit. I'm the kind of person who could kill a cactus.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 29, 2025 02:24 PM (VNX3d)

23 80 outside but cloudy and not supposed to rain but looks like it. 50s for a couple days this coming week

Posted by: Skip at March 29, 2025 02:31 PM (2ovuE)

24 19 Thanks. Breathing better this week.

Posted by: KT at March 29, 2025 02:39 PM (xekrU)

25 I almost forgot to say it's good to see KT back posting this thread. MisHum is a great backup, but it's better with the first string.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 29, 2025 02:40 PM (VNX3d)

26 Miley, check out the lord baltimore hibiscus

Posted by: Mrs JTB at March 29, 2025 02:42 PM (yTvNw)

27 Those Black Beauty tomatoes are gorgeous! Now I want to try growing some.

Theresa, your mini Kew Gardens are adorable. I picture fairies having a jamboree in them.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 29, 2025 02:50 PM (kpS4V)

28 Doesn't look like I can plant today. Temperatures dropped about 20 degrees and the winds hit picked up.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at March 29, 2025 03:02 PM (cvWHI)

29 Theresa, your mini Kew Gardens are adorable. I picture fairies having a jamboree in them.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 29, 2025 02:50 PM (kpS4V)

Well, the Garden Gnomes that I bought a few years back are all packing heat, so the fairies have to keep to the back yard....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Plucky Comic Relief, AoS Ladies Brigade - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 29, 2025 03:02 PM (SRRAx)

30 It's a rainy day, ushering in a rainy week. April showers and all that.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 29, 2025 03:03 PM (kpS4V)

31 Of course Texas gnomes are packing heat!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 29, 2025 03:04 PM (kpS4V)

32 I have crocuses popping up in my yard right now! But they aren't as picturesque as the ones pictured. They are surrounded by shriveled crab apples, dried leaves, and the gunk that accumulated in my yard over the course of the winter. Plus a pile of deer/elk droppings. And then the dirt-encrusted remains of the snowbank is only a few feet away from them.

It's kind of interesting how different colors of crocuses come up in different orders. The first to pop up were purple crocuses, but not the ones featured in the photos, but rather some close-to-the-ground spikey starburst-style flowers, mostly purple with white and a dash of yellow in the center. A few days later came some similarly-shaped pure-yellow crocuses. I don't expect to see any of those big bulbous crocuses (all-purple, all-white, and then purple-white-speckled) for at least another two weeks, if not a month. And the rest of the bulbs won't bloom until well after that...

Posted by: Castle Guy at March 29, 2025 03:05 PM (Lhaco)

33 Want an idea of how cold it was this winter and early spring in this neck of the woods? No tree leaves budding out, now green grass as of yet. Not early spring flowers. No Early Dawn strawberry plants poking up. Nada, nothing, zilch, nil.

And, I'm in a north eastern US state.

Posted by: Orson at March 29, 2025 03:05 PM (dIske)

34 Theresa, your mini Kew Gardens are adorable. I picture fairies having a jamboree in them.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 29, 2025 02:50 PM (kpS4V)

Well, the Garden Gnomes that I bought a few years back are all packing heat, so the fairies have to keep to the back yard....
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Plucky Comic Relief, AoS Ladies Brigade - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 29, 2025 03:02 PM (SRRAx)

You have told the Garden Gnomes to let the bees pollinate the flowers, right? To also pass hummingbirds and fireflies as well, to add to the beauty?

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 29, 2025 03:05 PM (VNX3d)

35 Miley, if you don't have pets that like to chew on your plants, try a combo of Brugmansia and Datura.

I suspect on tbe south side of the house, they might be perennial for you. You may have to whack the Brugmansia back now and then.

Both are fragrant and people have been known to get a wee buzz from the scent. I think the Datura opens at night, so it's a nice combination!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 29, 2025 03:07 PM (Vvh2V)

36 You have told the Garden Gnomes to let the bees pollinate the flowers, right? March 29, 2025 03:05 PM (VNX3d)

______________________

The only Garden Gnome I've seen lately is the new PM of Canada.

Posted by: Orson at March 29, 2025 03:07 PM (dIske)

37 I can't tell by the photo, but are the tulips orange, Biden's Dog? I find the orange ones to be the most reliable rebloomers, especially the greggiis.

Teresa, bulbs are my favorite and yours are beautiful!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 29, 2025 03:10 PM (Vvh2V)

38 The next few days are supposed to hit about 80 degrees, the warmest so far this year. While I will gripe about hot and humid weather soon enough, the first really warm spring days often bring an explosion of flowers and blooms that area glory. Even better, since my cataract surgery a year or so ago, I'm seeing colors I haven't for a long time. Being able to see the full colors of spring is wonderful.

Posted by: JTB at March 29, 2025 03:14 PM (yTvNw)

39 I had two maples taken out this winter and my wife and I just finished splitting and stacking it. I have to restack half of it under cover when I have time this summer.
I also sawed my arborvitae hedge down to five feet and I hired a tree service to come in and grind the slash pile, so that task is over.

i should have sunlight for some more of my small fruit trees now.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 29, 2025 03:14 PM (D7oie)

40 KT,

So glad to find you are feeling better. Prayers continue, of course.

Posted by: JTB at March 29, 2025 03:16 PM (yTvNw)

41 You have told the Garden Gnomes to let the bees pollinate the flowers, right? To also pass hummingbirds and fireflies as well, to add to the beauty?
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 29, 2025 03:05 PM (VNX3d)

Well, the bees are a small target, so they are safe. Haven't ever seen fireflies around here - we are in the city. Haven't seen hummingbirds, either, but we have a cat who stays close to home, as well as a few who waltz across the yard from the neighbors' houses, so the only birds that we see are the ones who frequent the birdbath.

Black JEM, it is wonderful to see you! Wow - you do a lot of prep for your gardens - hope you have better luck this year! 😊💕

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Plucky Comic Relief, AoS Ladies Brigade - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 29, 2025 03:19 PM (SRRAx)

42 Mrs. JTB mentioned the Baltimore hibiscus. We had one in the front yard for years before it finally faded. This is in northern Virginia. It was glorious. It did attract japanese beetles although not as much as the rose of sharon. Funny, we haven't had those beetles around for several years and they used to be quite an infestation.

Posted by: JTB at March 29, 2025 03:22 PM (yTvNw)

43 Afternoon all.
All of a sudden it is 80 degrees here. Two days ago I was contemplating turning on the heat. My terrace garden is just starting to turn green from winter brown. I am jealous of those crocuses, croci, because mine still just look like grass. Although the main part of the terrace has loads of daffodils, my part doesn't get full sun til late afternoon so I am a bit behind.
And those tomatoes are too beautiful to eat.🍅

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 29, 2025 03:27 PM (t/2Uw)

44 Lovely flowers!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 29, 2025 03:27 PM (kEjR6)

45 Bad weather

https://youtu.be/sSbzE3fto5k

Posted by: Ciampino - Meanwhile ... at March 29, 2025 03:28 PM (sPQoU)

46 Teresa , what beautiful flowers you have growing and I'm rooting for you to see them bloom next year and I believe you will.

Posted by: CaliGirl at March 29, 2025 03:30 PM (gOEou)

47 Bad weather

https://youtu.be/sSbzE3fto5k
Posted by: Ciampino - Meanwhile ... at March 29,

😳🥶😱

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 29, 2025 03:32 PM (t/2Uw)

48 Teresa!

I so applaud your positive attitude! I pray for you and admire your tenacity. Eat the cheesecake. Buy the yarn. Indeed.

We never know when our time is up.

Live every day.

Posted by: nurse ratched. at March 29, 2025 03:33 PM (Dnq7b)

49 Teresa!

I so applaud your positive attitude! I pray for you and admire your tenacity. Eat the cheesecake. Buy the yarn. Indeed.

We never know when our time is up.

Live every day.
Posted by: nurse ratched. at March 29, 2025 03:33

Seconded!

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 29, 2025 03:35 PM (t/2Uw)

50 Holy crap! That weather forecast!

Batten down EVERYTHING.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 29, 2025 03:40 PM (kpS4V)

51 I probably should mention that all of the bricks that make up the walkways came from the 3 chimneys that were original to the house. A lot of them have the original star or triangle stamps on them from the local brick yards that were here in 1907 when the house was built.

Back then, whatever was in the mortar that was used to join the bricks didn't have cement in it, so all of the bricks came out intact. All we had to do was lightly chisel the thickest of the mortar off.

I laid out all of the walkways and built up all of the gardens over a period of about 5 or 6 years back when the girls were young. Paul helped out with some of it, but he was mostly doing big projects around the house while I puttered. Oh, and going to work and making money to finance my hardscaping 😂😂😂

This winter, we had our lawn service guys come in and spruce up the brick walkways, as they had settled quite a bit over the last 20-25 years!

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Plucky Comic Relief, AoS Ladies Brigade - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 29, 2025 03:44 PM (SRRAx)

52 48 ... "I so applaud your positive attitude! I pray for you and admire your tenacity. Eat the cheesecake. Buy the yarn. Indeed.

We never know when our time is up.
Live every day."

Teresa's positivity is wonderful and inspiring. Nurse's observation is more appropriate to me every day. I see more beauty in the world, sleep better, and am probably healthier.

Posted by: JTB at March 29, 2025 03:45 PM (yTvNw)

53 Pet Thread is up!

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Plucky Comic Relief, AoS Ladies Brigade - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 29, 2025 03:55 PM (SRRAx)

54
This winter, we had our lawn service guys come in and spruce up the brick walkways, as they had settled quite a bit over the last 20-25 years!
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Plucky Comic Relief, AoS Ladies Brigade - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at March 29, 2025 03:44 PM (SRRAx)

That is so cool you used the original bricks and it looks gorgeous.

Posted by: CaliGirl at March 29, 2025 03:59 PM (MFuOv)

55 26 Miley, check out the lord baltimore hibiscus

Posted by: Mrs JTB at March 29, 2025 02:42 PM (yTvNw)

Thanks, I'll check it out!

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at March 29, 2025 04:16 PM (w6EFb)

56 Miley, if you don't have pets that like to chew on your plants, try a combo of Brugmansia and Datura.

I suspect on tbe south side of the house, they might be perennial for you. You may have to whack the Brugmansia back now and then.

Both are fragrant and people have been known to get a wee buzz from the scent. I think the Datura opens at night, so it's a nice combination!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 29, 2025 03:07 PM (Vvh2V)

The cats mostly eat grass. Datura is beautiful, and that brugmansia is pretty, too.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at March 29, 2025 04:27 PM (w6EFb)

57 From Boise area: week started with low 45/high 54, Wed. was low 48/high 81, today is low 41/high 50. Rained last night. I pulled 2 cat litter trays of seedlings back in from the greenhouse because temps will flirt with freezing this week - rosemary that had been put out, went into the greenhouse.

I planted some carrot seeds (4 colors), radishes, broccolini, 2 kinds of lettuce, spinach, cabbage, 3 pots each of Yukon Gold and Russet Burbank, 4 pots of fingerlings 'La Ratte'. Laid out beds so I have space for up to 8 peppers (2 orange bell, 6 poblanos) if all the indoor seeds come up.

The pictured crocus have all flopped - in the mix I bought, the purples are first, then the whites and stripes. The hyacinths around them are now the attraction (the whites are scented). Daffodil stems are up, 2 showing buds. Tulip leaves are full size but no buds yet. First lily of the valley sprouts are up. Forsythias (new last year) are flowering. A few flowering trees around town.

We adopted 2 barn cats yesterday early afternoon, put them into the enclosure we built - today we found one had escaped. He is chipped - please pray for his survival and safe return.

Posted by: Pat* at March 29, 2025 06:30 PM (ATBGy)

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