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Gun Thread: Still More March Edition!
FUNdamentals of Not Poking Your Eyes Out Simply put, wear eye protection, people.
Hickok45
Shooting the worst gun ever made?
Uzi Madness! We took a look at the Sellier & Bellot factory tour a week or two ago, and tonight our pal Ian at Forgotten Weapons looks at their Uzi collection.
Disaster Restoration Have to say I am a little skeptical of these videos sometimes, but the techniques are usually interesting. PRO TIP: You may want to reconsider possessing a modern firearm without a serial number on the frame. Just a suggestion really.
Bad Day at the Mud Pit
Battle Beneath the Earth!
Gertie vs. Pringles!
WARNING: Uncensored feeding video. Viewer discretion advised.
Cigar of the Week
Perdomo cigars are known for very consistent construction, and supposedly are all draw-tested - I was at Perdomo HQ in Miami a few months ago and forgot to ask them to show me or explain their draw-testing operation. Well the Perdomo 30th Anniversary Sun Grown exhibits the perfect draw associated with Perdomos. Ample smoke too. I agree with the real reviewers who find oak and some nuttiness in the flavor notes, though I got none of the spice they all note. A nice underlying faint sweetness lasted throughout. I smoked the Epicure, a 6X54 box pressed beauty. Both the wrapper and inside tobaccos of this Nicaragua puro are aged 15 years. The medium mellow profile certainly seems to reflect that aging. This stick can be found online for $11 and up.Excellent as always, rhomboid! Thank you!
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Comments
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Yay! Gubs!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 23, 2025 07:00 PM (Wnv9h)
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Bang.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 07:00 PM (LxVl5)
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Hello, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 07:01 PM (AiJK3)
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The Others have been summoned.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 23, 2025 07:01 PM (Wnv9h)
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Damn. Hitting refresh like a crack monkey and still too slow.
Hey, Weasel!
Hey, Weasel!
Posted by: RI Red at March 23, 2025 07:02 PM (MMlKO)
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Good evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2025 07:02 PM (fwDg9)
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Gertie seems to be adjusting well to her Horde fame.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 23, 2025 07:03 PM (Wnv9h)
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250 239 235 So we’re on the same page, I’m on a pegtube the rest of my life. Nothing NPO.
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 06:50 PM
I am sorry.
Posted by: ScaryMary at March 23, 2025 06:54 PM (wX56x
Well, hospice was the other choice. And Jim SND, I loved you before, even more now.
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 06:59 PM (jgmnb)
Willowed from previous thread.
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 06:50 PM
I am sorry.
Posted by: ScaryMary at March 23, 2025 06:54 PM (wX56x
Well, hospice was the other choice. And Jim SND, I loved you before, even more now.
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 06:59 PM (jgmnb)
Willowed from previous thread.
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 07:04 PM (jgmnb)
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Top 10?
No shootin but how do you like my new phone?
No shootin but how do you like my new phone?
Posted by: Coelacanth at March 23, 2025 07:04 PM (AIhUY)
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Damn. Hitting refresh like a crack monkey and still too slow.
Hey, Weasel!
Posted by: RI Red at March 23, 2025 07:02 PM
*buffs knuckles on shirt*
Gotta be fast around here.
Hey, Weasel!
Posted by: RI Red at March 23, 2025 07:02 PM
*buffs knuckles on shirt*
Gotta be fast around here.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 23, 2025 07:04 PM (Wnv9h)
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Gertie could have taken off your fingertips!
Posted by: RI Red at March 23, 2025 07:05 PM (MMlKO)
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Watching the kid do the six gun tricks was fun and made me cringe at the same time.
Thanks again, Weasel!
Thanks again, Weasel!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 23, 2025 07:05 PM (tT6L1)
Posted by: TRex at March 23, 2025 07:05 PM (t/HCa)
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Well, hospice was the other choice. And Jim SND, I loved you before, even more now.
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 06:59 PM (jgmnb)
Willowed from previous thread.
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 07:04 PM
Damn. Keeping you both in my prayers.
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 06:59 PM (jgmnb)
Willowed from previous thread.
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 07:04 PM
Damn. Keeping you both in my prayers.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 23, 2025 07:06 PM (Wnv9h)
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Damn. Hitting refresh like a crack monkey and still too slow.
Hey, Weasel!
Posted by: RI Red at March 23, 2025 07:02 PM (MMlKO)
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We shoot rifle at targets a long ways away. Fast really isn't in our repertoire when engaged in such pursuits.
Hey, Weasel!
Posted by: RI Red at March 23, 2025 07:02 PM (MMlKO)
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We shoot rifle at targets a long ways away. Fast really isn't in our repertoire when engaged in such pursuits.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 23, 2025 07:06 PM (tT6L1)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 23, 2025 07:06 PM (5U0zv)
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Damn. Keeping you both in my prayers.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 23, 2025 07:06 PM (Wnv9h)
Ditto. Mucho ditto.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 23, 2025 07:06 PM (Wnv9h)
Ditto. Mucho ditto.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 23, 2025 07:08 PM (Hdixl)
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G-D will continue to hold our brothers Eromero and Jim in His Grace.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 23, 2025 07:09 PM (j6NlC)
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Our prayers continue for Eromero and hoping for the best.
Posted by: JTB at March 23, 2025 07:09 PM (yTvNw)
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Damn. Keeping you both in my prayers.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 23, 2025 07:06 PM (Wnv9h)
Ditto. Mucho ditto.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 23, 2025 07:08 PM (Hdixl)
Thirded, fourthed, fifthed!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 23, 2025 07:06 PM (Wnv9h)
Ditto. Mucho ditto.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 23, 2025 07:08 PM (Hdixl)
Thirded, fourthed, fifthed!
Posted by: RI Red at March 23, 2025 07:09 PM (MMlKO)
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Damn. Keeping you both in my prayers.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 23, 2025 07:06 PM (Wnv9h)
Ditto. Mucho ditto.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 23, 2025 07:08 PM (Hdixl)
Thirded, fourthed, fifthed!
Posted by: RI Red at March 23, 2025 07:09 PM (MMlKO)
Six-gunned to a 7 foot iron skillet!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 23, 2025 07:06 PM (Wnv9h)
Ditto. Mucho ditto.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 23, 2025 07:08 PM (Hdixl)
Thirded, fourthed, fifthed!
Posted by: RI Red at March 23, 2025 07:09 PM (MMlKO)
Six-gunned to a 7 foot iron skillet!
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 07:14 PM (VNX3d)
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Ditto. Mucho ditto.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 23, 2025 07:08 PM (Hdixl)
Thirded, fourthed, fifthed!
Posted by: RI Red at March 23, 2025 07:09 PM (MMlKO)
A +1 from me too.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 23, 2025 07:08 PM (Hdixl)
Thirded, fourthed, fifthed!
Posted by: RI Red at March 23, 2025 07:09 PM (MMlKO)
A +1 from me too.
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 07:14 PM (AiJK3)
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GOD’s will prevails. If not I would have died Tuesday, That said, I have no words to convey how much I appreciate your prayers. Please keep them rolling.
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 07:17 PM (jgmnb)
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Weasel, has anyone ever pointed out that your left thumb in the 1917 video makes it look like the spent round is stuck in the rifle? (At least on a phone.) The angle makes your thumb look like it's sticking right out of the loading area, and the spent brass isn't visible enough as it exits. It's kind of funny.
Also, nice shooting and nice info.
Also, nice shooting and nice info.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 07:18 PM (mot4u)
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Howdy Weasel! Appreciate your efforts each week. So much wisdom and generous sharing thereof. Muchos thankos!
Posted by: Doof at March 23, 2025 07:18 PM (RFPHU)
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Weasel, Thanks for the videos on the Model 1917 which I like as much as the 03 Springfield, maybe more. Haven't watched that one in a while and smiled when I saw Weasel Dog. And Gertie vs the Pringle was funny.
Posted by: JTB at March 23, 2025 07:18 PM (yTvNw)
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have you been to the range?
Yes. Twice in the past few days. As I previously reported on the gub thread, I was struggling with proper grip. I wasn't shooting badly but was not comfortable or consistent. Felt like I had plateaued and was having trouble diagnosing and improving. Clearly the targets were off, the ammo was flawed, the gub wasn't zeroed, and the floor was sloped. After fixing all that, I kept trying to work on my own fundamentals, but obviously wasn't hitting the mark.
After an unsatisfying range trip, Grateful and I sat down and talked about it, analyzed it, broke every aspect into smaller pieces, and said incantations. Talking it though was very helpful. Thought we found a thing or two.
Made a second range trip to validate. Confirmed. Much better. I made a breakthrough that feels like a much better foundation for progress going forward.
Fundamentals, kids! That Weasel guy knows what he's talking about. Full credit to Grateful. Unpossible without her.
Yes. Twice in the past few days. As I previously reported on the gub thread, I was struggling with proper grip. I wasn't shooting badly but was not comfortable or consistent. Felt like I had plateaued and was having trouble diagnosing and improving. Clearly the targets were off, the ammo was flawed, the gub wasn't zeroed, and the floor was sloped. After fixing all that, I kept trying to work on my own fundamentals, but obviously wasn't hitting the mark.
After an unsatisfying range trip, Grateful and I sat down and talked about it, analyzed it, broke every aspect into smaller pieces, and said incantations. Talking it though was very helpful. Thought we found a thing or two.
Made a second range trip to validate. Confirmed. Much better. I made a breakthrough that feels like a much better foundation for progress going forward.
Fundamentals, kids! That Weasel guy knows what he's talking about. Full credit to Grateful. Unpossible without her.
Posted by: TRex at March 23, 2025 07:19 PM (t/HCa)
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Never had that Mattel pistol, lots of other toy weapons though.
Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2025 07:19 PM (fwDg9)
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Eromero, my prayers for you will continue!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 23, 2025 07:21 PM (hOUT3)
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Glad you and Jim are both still with us, Eromero.
Mortality sucks when the goodness in your life is the people you know.
Mortality sucks when the goodness in your life is the people you know.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 07:21 PM (mot4u)
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Anyway, range report, monthly silhouette match. Yesterday dawned bright and cool with very little breeze. But, by the time the match started, there was still very little breeze but things had warmed up a bit.
Match format was such I started at the 400 meter silhouettes, from there to 500 meter silhouettes, all half size, turkey @ 400 and rams @ 500 (turkeys are tall and thin, rams wide but short)
I started off well on the 400 then missed the last two turkeys, for 3 out of 5, 4 for 5 @ 500 meters on the rams.
At 200 and 300 meters, I technically went 10 for 10, but, alas, shot the wrong pig @ 300 meters, so, it didn't count. In the end, 5 for 5 @ 200 meters on the chickens and officially 4 for 5 on the pigs @ 300 meters. I tied with 2 other shooters for last place, with an aggregate score of 16 out of 20. Three guys shot a perfect score, had a shoot off which lasted 1 round, because the first guy hit and the other two missed. Great match day, all in all.
Match format was such I started at the 400 meter silhouettes, from there to 500 meter silhouettes, all half size, turkey @ 400 and rams @ 500 (turkeys are tall and thin, rams wide but short)
I started off well on the 400 then missed the last two turkeys, for 3 out of 5, 4 for 5 @ 500 meters on the rams.
At 200 and 300 meters, I technically went 10 for 10, but, alas, shot the wrong pig @ 300 meters, so, it didn't count. In the end, 5 for 5 @ 200 meters on the chickens and officially 4 for 5 on the pigs @ 300 meters. I tied with 2 other shooters for last place, with an aggregate score of 16 out of 20. Three guys shot a perfect score, had a shoot off which lasted 1 round, because the first guy hit and the other two missed. Great match day, all in all.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 23, 2025 07:22 PM (tT6L1)
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Yes! I got to the range with both boys and one of their friends.
We had 23 different boomsticks and a spot in the woods all to ourselves. Went out to 200 yards to the berm.
Loads of fun. No one else in our spot, but we did hear folks a couple miles away.
Whoot!
We had 23 different boomsticks and a spot in the woods all to ourselves. Went out to 200 yards to the berm.
Loads of fun. No one else in our spot, but we did hear folks a couple miles away.
Whoot!
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 23, 2025 07:23 PM (mT+6a)
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GOD’s will prevails. If not I would have died Tuesday, That said, I have no words to convey how much I appreciate your prayers. Please keep them rolling.
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 07:17 PM (jgmnb)
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Done.
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 07:17 PM (jgmnb)
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Done.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 23, 2025 07:23 PM (tT6L1)
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Howdy!
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at March 23, 2025 07:24 PM (sAmhv)
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Nurse, sounds like a great time. I envy you, having boys who are interested in shooting.
I keep hoping a grandson will ask grumpa to take them to the range.
I keep hoping a grandson will ask grumpa to take them to the range.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 23, 2025 07:25 PM (tT6L1)
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Do you wear eye protection?
Every day, all day. Except when I do close work. Though my eyeglasses are adequate, I've pondered getting some "sports" glasses because of the shooting.
Because of the eyeglasses I don't get to wear tacticool s***.
Every day, all day. Except when I do close work. Though my eyeglasses are adequate, I've pondered getting some "sports" glasses because of the shooting.
Because of the eyeglasses I don't get to wear tacticool s***.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 07:25 PM (mot4u)
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One of the pleasures of a model 1917 or similar 30-06 is that those bolt action rifles can be used for reduced loads with cast bullets. Everything from lower power loads with good old 4759 powder down to gallery loads with a cast round ball thumb pressed into the case mouth. Those loads won't shoot over the horizon but will punch paper or hit a gong out to 200 yards once you learn how to adjust the battle sights.
Posted by: JTB at March 23, 2025 07:26 PM (yTvNw)
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Damn arthritis is spreading and getting worse in my hands. I might have to do a little gun trading this week. The 1911 is getting tough regarding the hammer, mag and slide release. Surprisingly, the Ruger lil' bastard LCP is no problem in the left hand, but right handed I'm having grip trouble. That's OK as it is pretty much dedicated to left pocket carry because of the cane. No problems yet with the G17.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 23, 2025 07:27 PM (gm9Sb)
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I have a High Point in .45. I think it was $119 on sale at Cabelas.
It is in a silicone soft case and is serving as my backup "truck gun".
It has gone bang for me every time. Had one FTE with a daughter shooting it, that might have been a limp wrist?
It is in a silicone soft case and is serving as my backup "truck gun".
It has gone bang for me every time. Had one FTE with a daughter shooting it, that might have been a limp wrist?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 07:27 PM (Q4Dc6)
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Oh, and NOONE makes shooting glasses that fit over eyeglasses, unless you wear a hipster small lens size (because you must have no peripheral vision). At least, that I can find
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 07:28 PM (mot4u)
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Went to Shooter's Outpost in Hooksett, NH yesterday. They have a museum room, and my jaw is still on the floor.
In the center of the room are machineguns. As in Vickers, Lewis, Browning, Maxim, MG34, MG42 etc. But the REALLY special stuff is on the walls. Thompons, Grease Guns and MP40s, naturally. But how about a PPSh41, Swedish K, Beretta Modelo 12 and even a Walther MPK?
Not rare enough? How about these:
Japanese Type 100 SMG.
STG44 with a Krummlauf barrel.
And a complete Springfield 1903 with a Pedersen Device and magazine.
I felt like I walked into Ian V. Hogg's complete bibliography.
In the center of the room are machineguns. As in Vickers, Lewis, Browning, Maxim, MG34, MG42 etc. But the REALLY special stuff is on the walls. Thompons, Grease Guns and MP40s, naturally. But how about a PPSh41, Swedish K, Beretta Modelo 12 and even a Walther MPK?
Not rare enough? How about these:
Japanese Type 100 SMG.
STG44 with a Krummlauf barrel.
And a complete Springfield 1903 with a Pedersen Device and magazine.
I felt like I walked into Ian V. Hogg's complete bibliography.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at March 23, 2025 07:29 PM (5YmYl)
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23 GOD’s will prevails. If not I would have died Tuesday, That said, I have no words to convey how much I appreciate your prayers. Please keep them rolling.
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 07:17 PM (jgmnb)
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Mr. Eromero, you are in my prayers. A dear friend of mine was NPO for years. She enjoyed a particular sort of Altoids mints. They were small and smooth. I am trying to find a link to those.
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 07:17 PM (jgmnb)
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Mr. Eromero, you are in my prayers. A dear friend of mine was NPO for years. She enjoyed a particular sort of Altoids mints. They were small and smooth. I am trying to find a link to those.
Posted by: ScaryMary at March 23, 2025 07:32 PM (wX56x)
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Hi Weasel and all,
Weasel, I can see your doggo pics and videos becoming a regular feature. I know it's more work, but...
Eromero and Jim SND, prayers continuing...
Blake, you may have to pull Grandpa privilege and just plan a day at the range with the grandkids. Figure out what would be best to shoot, make it fun, and just take them...
Weasel, I can see your doggo pics and videos becoming a regular feature. I know it's more work, but...
Eromero and Jim SND, prayers continuing...
Blake, you may have to pull Grandpa privilege and just plan a day at the range with the grandkids. Figure out what would be best to shoot, make it fun, and just take them...
Posted by: haffhowershower at March 23, 2025 07:32 PM (NMT5x)
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41 At the end of WW2, American forces occupied one of the larger German small arms plants, maybe DWM or Mauser. They had a huge reference armory with guns of the world. In it was an 03 Mk1 Springfield and the super secret Pedersen device with all the accoutrements and spare magazines. How did they get that?
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 23, 2025 07:34 PM (gm9Sb)
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Blake, you may have to pull Grandpa privilege and just plan a day at the range with the grandkids. Figure out what would be best to shoot, make it fun, and just take them...
Posted by: haffhowershower at March 23, 2025 07:32 PM (NMT5x)
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Next time I'm in VA, which, if things go the way I'd like will be early next year, I'll try. But, my oldest grandsons are productive human beings with real jobs and such so, it may be tough.
Blake, you may have to pull Grandpa privilege and just plan a day at the range with the grandkids. Figure out what would be best to shoot, make it fun, and just take them...
Posted by: haffhowershower at March 23, 2025 07:32 PM (NMT5x)
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Next time I'm in VA, which, if things go the way I'd like will be early next year, I'll try. But, my oldest grandsons are productive human beings with real jobs and such so, it may be tough.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 23, 2025 07:35 PM (tT6L1)
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{{{Eromero}}}
Glad you and Jim are both still with us, Eromero.
Mortality sucks when the goodness in your life is the people you know.
Posted by: GWB
he said it better than I could. I wish it hadn;t taken me so long to find this place and the people who populate it.
Glad you and Jim are both still with us, Eromero.
Mortality sucks when the goodness in your life is the people you know.
Posted by: GWB
he said it better than I could. I wish it hadn;t taken me so long to find this place and the people who populate it.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 23, 2025 07:35 PM (t/2Uw)
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For today's DMV MGC trip today, I brought a SIG M11A1 and the Walther PPK/S SD. I confirmed that the M11A1 hits below point of aim consistently. Any ideas to correct this? A "Bubba" job to the front or rear sights is not possible because both sights have tritium inside.
The Walther PPK/S SD has had a lot of teething troubles. Rounds would fail to extract after the first ten rounds or so. I traced that to the grip screw backing out after prolonged firing. Tightening up the grip screw appears to solve the problem. I managed to get through about half a box of ammo today without a failure to feed today. The tiny sights and lighting conditions on the range made the sights difficult to pick up. I had to bring in the target to 3 or 5 yards to get rounds into the target consistently. Shooting the PPK/S SD suppressed is a lot of fun. The .32 ACP ammo it uses is mild in recoil, and the suppressor did a good job keeping the sound down. The direct blowback action does put a bit of gas in your face, though. The suppressor does completely block the use of the sights. But if you'll be using this for real, 3-5 yards is all you';; get from this setup. You have to be very close up to use this.
The Walther PPK/S SD has had a lot of teething troubles. Rounds would fail to extract after the first ten rounds or so. I traced that to the grip screw backing out after prolonged firing. Tightening up the grip screw appears to solve the problem. I managed to get through about half a box of ammo today without a failure to feed today. The tiny sights and lighting conditions on the range made the sights difficult to pick up. I had to bring in the target to 3 or 5 yards to get rounds into the target consistently. Shooting the PPK/S SD suppressed is a lot of fun. The .32 ACP ammo it uses is mild in recoil, and the suppressor did a good job keeping the sound down. The direct blowback action does put a bit of gas in your face, though. The suppressor does completely block the use of the sights. But if you'll be using this for real, 3-5 yards is all you';; get from this setup. You have to be very close up to use this.
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 07:35 PM (AiJK3)
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Gub!
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 23, 2025 07:36 PM (mH6SG)
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Blake, you may have to pull Grandpa privilege and just plan a day at the range with the grandkids. Figure out what would be best to shoot, make it fun, and just take them...
Posted by: haffhowershower at March 23, 2025 07:32 PM (NMT5x)
Don't know if this was mentioned, but in a work of fiction a son was introduced to shooting with cans of tomatoes. Don't remember the caliber, but watching the can explode when hit would probably be fun to make happen. Water bottles might also work - and likely easier to clean up.
Certainly would give a reason for accuracy!
Posted by: haffhowershower at March 23, 2025 07:32 PM (NMT5x)
Don't know if this was mentioned, but in a work of fiction a son was introduced to shooting with cans of tomatoes. Don't remember the caliber, but watching the can explode when hit would probably be fun to make happen. Water bottles might also work - and likely easier to clean up.
Certainly would give a reason for accuracy!
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 07:37 PM (VNX3d)
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 23, 2025 07:37 PM (mT+6a)
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So here's an idea I'm throwing out, maybe for the TxMoMe, or any other get together for that matter.
Since our 250th birthday is coming up next year, how about featuring gubs in the .250 caliber range? What I mean is, a featured shoot for those that have those calibers, or at least '250' in them.
I've got a Lyman's reloading book from 1970 and I'm looking through the calibers.
.22/250
.25/20 Winchester
.250/3000 Savage
.25/06
I'm sure there are more, and there can be some wiggle room. I think a .257 Weatherby Magnum would be allowed. .250 for the caliber, and the 7 because it'll be shot on Sunday, the 7th day? I don't know, just spitballin'...
Since our 250th birthday is coming up next year, how about featuring gubs in the .250 caliber range? What I mean is, a featured shoot for those that have those calibers, or at least '250' in them.
I've got a Lyman's reloading book from 1970 and I'm looking through the calibers.
.22/250
.25/20 Winchester
.250/3000 Savage
.25/06
I'm sure there are more, and there can be some wiggle room. I think a .257 Weatherby Magnum would be allowed. .250 for the caliber, and the 7 because it'll be shot on Sunday, the 7th day? I don't know, just spitballin'...
Posted by: haffhowershower at March 23, 2025 07:38 PM (NMT5x)
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Ed L, what kind of ammo in the M1911A1? Some ammo is loaded right to original military specs and some is a bit hotter. Maybe see if there some hotter ammo out there which is reliable?
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 23, 2025 07:38 PM (tT6L1)
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I want that buckle gun! I can push out my stomach real accurate!
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 07:39 PM (dZb+g)
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Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 23, 2025 07:27 PM (gm9Sb)
Arthritis in the hands is a b*tch. Mine has been growing worse lately. I love the target grips on my S&W Model 19, but maintaining a proper grip, particularly drawing from the holster, is getting to be a problem.
Arthritis in the hands is a b*tch. Mine has been growing worse lately. I love the target grips on my S&W Model 19, but maintaining a proper grip, particularly drawing from the holster, is getting to be a problem.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 23, 2025 07:40 PM (Hdixl)
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Hrothgar, you know the drill. After 7-10 days rehab and some work at home. I’ll be back at work in a month maybe a little longer. Now for content.
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 07:42 PM (jgmnb)
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Since Sharon was (belatedly) celebrating her birthday, I brought out the MP5 to help make some noise. Not only did Sharon shoot the MP5, she managed to get every round into the zombie target torso at 10 yards. The MP5 fun switch makes any range day a fun one.
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 07:42 PM (AiJK3)
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The DMV MGC finally managed an outing at the range today. Weasel, I want you to know that it was the threat of reporting the slackards to you that made it happen.
Had a small personal triumph. I took apart the Glock48 which had been jamming and cleaned it. when I went to put it back together, did something wrong and the slide got stuck. Could not remove it to reposition. I thought I was going to have to have Blaster help me out. When I checked it this morning was able to remove the slide and by turning the gun upside down was able to properly set it correctly on the guides and Voila, fixed. This may not be a big deal to most of you but it made my day. Worked perfectly today.
Had a small personal triumph. I took apart the Glock48 which had been jamming and cleaned it. when I went to put it back together, did something wrong and the slide got stuck. Could not remove it to reposition. I thought I was going to have to have Blaster help me out. When I checked it this morning was able to remove the slide and by turning the gun upside down was able to properly set it correctly on the guides and Voila, fixed. This may not be a big deal to most of you but it made my day. Worked perfectly today.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 23, 2025 07:43 PM (t/2Uw)
Posted by: Weasel at March 23, 2025 07:44 PM (4t+0i)
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A win is a win, Sharon!
Posted by: haffhowershower at March 23, 2025 07:45 PM (NMT5x)
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When I checked it this morning was able to remove the slide and by turning the gun upside down was able to properly set it correctly on the guides and Voila, fixed. This may not be a big deal to most of you but it made my day. Worked perfectly today.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 23, 2025 07:43 PM (t/2Uw)
Wonderbar! Enjoy the thrill of victory over the machine!
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 23, 2025 07:43 PM (t/2Uw)
Wonderbar! Enjoy the thrill of victory over the machine!
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 07:45 PM (VNX3d)
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54 They told me awhile back I had the flavor of arthritis that would spread and they were right. Knees, ankles, hip, and now in the shoulders and hands. I had a chiropractor at the VA (our clinic has one along with an accupuncturist) show me how to shoulder a rifle without discomfort. Forget the USMC elbow raised and imagine I'm shooting a shotgun at a Wabbit. As far as the hands, I just might go back to a good ol' J frame for EDC.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 23, 2025 07:46 PM (gm9Sb)
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I have a picture which I will send to Weasel to show the nice hole I made in the target with the MP5. That gun is so much fun to shoot. No recoil at all.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 23, 2025 07:46 PM (t/2Uw)
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Anyone else notice how useless the barking dog was when the bad guy kidnaps the woman? Gertie and FSJ wouldn't have allowed that, I'm certain!
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 07:47 PM (dZb+g)
Posted by: RI Red at March 23, 2025 07:47 PM (MMlKO)
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62 I have a picture which I will send to Weasel to show the nice hole I made in the target with the MP5. That gun is so much fun to shoot. No recoil at all.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 23, 2025 07:46 PM (t/2Uw)
Dang, I'm so Jealous!!
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 23, 2025 07:46 PM (t/2Uw)
Dang, I'm so Jealous!!
Posted by: jsg at March 23, 2025 07:48 PM (uq38/)
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Bill, that sucks. You mentioned the USMC elbow before. Then right after that I was watching Mail Call with R. Lee Ermy and when Gunny shouldered a rifle, I do believe I understood what you were referring to.
Posted by: haffhowershower at March 23, 2025 07:50 PM (NMT5x)
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I always like the Min-Uzi but if I have to pick a 9mm smg, It's going to be the MP-5. Very accurate.
This week at the range, I forgot to bring enough 9mm ammo so I only had one box. I used my church gun (PSA Micro Dagger) to practice draw+fire drills and then practiced double taps with my G44 in .22.
Even in .22, you really want to clamp down your grip on double taps to keep them in the 10 ring.
Still...fun enough. Just need to buy moar ammo!
This week at the range, I forgot to bring enough 9mm ammo so I only had one box. I used my church gun (PSA Micro Dagger) to practice draw+fire drills and then practiced double taps with my G44 in .22.
Even in .22, you really want to clamp down your grip on double taps to keep them in the 10 ring.
Still...fun enough. Just need to buy moar ammo!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at March 23, 2025 07:50 PM (xcxpd)
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I want that buckle gun! I can push out my stomach real accurate!
Posted by: GWB
I had one of those as a kid.
I want that buckle gun! I can push out my stomach real accurate!
Posted by: GWB
I had one of those as a kid.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 23, 2025 07:51 PM (63Dwl)
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As far as the hands, I just might go back to a good ol' J frame for EDC.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 23, 2025 07:46 PM (gm9Sb)
I'm packing a Model 637 AirWeight as my EDC. The griips are very comfortable. God help me, I'm turning into a revolver fan in my dotage.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 23, 2025 07:46 PM (gm9Sb)
I'm packing a Model 637 AirWeight as my EDC. The griips are very comfortable. God help me, I'm turning into a revolver fan in my dotage.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 23, 2025 07:51 PM (Hdixl)
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54 Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 23, 2025 07:27 PM (gm9Sb)
Arthritis in the hands is a b*tch. Mine has been growing worse lately. I love the target grips on my S&W Model 19, but maintaining a proper grip, particularly drawing from the holster, is getting to be a problem.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 23, 2025 07:40 PM (Hdixl)
As I get older (55 come Friday) I want all the recoil mitigation I can get. All automatics, with a decent recoil spring. I've pretty much stopped shooting revolvers.
Arthritis in the hands is a b*tch. Mine has been growing worse lately. I love the target grips on my S&W Model 19, but maintaining a proper grip, particularly drawing from the holster, is getting to be a problem.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 23, 2025 07:40 PM (Hdixl)
As I get older (55 come Friday) I want all the recoil mitigation I can get. All automatics, with a decent recoil spring. I've pretty much stopped shooting revolvers.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at March 23, 2025 07:53 PM (xcxpd)
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52 Ed L, what kind of ammo in the M1911A1? Some ammo is loaded right to original military specs and some is a bit hotter. Maybe see if there some hotter ammo out there which is reliable?
Just a thought.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 23, 2025 07:38 PM (tT6L1)
Blake, I only ever shot NATO standard 124 grain in my M11A1, don’t know the maths involved.
Just a thought.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 23, 2025 07:38 PM (tT6L1)
Blake, I only ever shot NATO standard 124 grain in my M11A1, don’t know the maths involved.
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 07:53 PM (jgmnb)
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Put this under guns you didn't buy but at least had a reason. Pawn and gun shop had a Colt Pocket Positive, which is one of the neatest little guns of the 20th century IMHO. This one was bright and shiny, with a real nice old reblue, maybe even factory, and a 2" (maybe a skosh shorter) barrel. Trouble is it was .32 Colt, not .32 Colt New Police. New Police is actually .32 S&W while .32 Colt is simply not available. The little guy was a consignment from a local that's been doing a safe clean out for a couple years.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 23, 2025 07:54 PM (gm9Sb)
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 23, 2025 07:54 PM (mT+6a)
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Eromero, I'd expect no less!
Eromero, I'd expect no less!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 23, 2025 07:55 PM (hOUT3)
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Since I have reached the bottom of the content, where the ammo links are, I will again mention Ammo squared. They are like ammo mutual fund. Send them some amount of money, tell them which type of ammo to buy (you can divvy it up between calibers and types of ammo), and they will keep it in your account. Let them know when you want it delivered and it gets shipped to you, some or all of it.
Most of it is not brand specific, but you have categories like n send you an email when they're about to "9mm, range, 115gr" and "30-06, Garand, range".
They even send you an email to remind you that you're about give them your money (because you initially set it up like a mutual fund where you auto-buy).
I need to get enough in there to have some sent to me, and I'll provide more info.
Most of it is not brand specific, but you have categories like n send you an email when they're about to "9mm, range, 115gr" and "30-06, Garand, range".
They even send you an email to remind you that you're about give them your money (because you initially set it up like a mutual fund where you auto-buy).
I need to get enough in there to have some sent to me, and I'll provide more info.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 07:56 PM (MFVNc)
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I have noticed that the price of ammo has come down some. I bought some 124 gr to try out in my Glocks and it seemed to work very smoothly. it used to be more expensive than 115 gr but now seems pretty similar.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 23, 2025 07:57 PM (t/2Uw)
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Since I have reached the bottom of the content, where the ammo links are, I will again mention Ammo squared. They are like ammo mutual fund. Send them some amount of money, tell them which type of ammo to buy (you can divvy it up between calibers and types of ammo), and they will keep it in your account. Let them know when you want it delivered and it gets shipped to you, some or all of it.
Most of it is not brand specific, but you have categories like n send you an email when they're about to "9mm, range, 115gr" and "30-06, Garand, range".
They even send you an email to remind you that you're about give them your money (because you initially set it up like a mutual fund where you auto-buy).
I need to get enough in there to have some sent to me, and I'll provide more info.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 07:56 PM (MFVNc)
How does that work in ammo-restricted states? Does it count as being 'bought' locally?
Because WA is on the verge of being very, very stupid about bulk ammo sales.
Most of it is not brand specific, but you have categories like n send you an email when they're about to "9mm, range, 115gr" and "30-06, Garand, range".
They even send you an email to remind you that you're about give them your money (because you initially set it up like a mutual fund where you auto-buy).
I need to get enough in there to have some sent to me, and I'll provide more info.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 07:56 PM (MFVNc)
How does that work in ammo-restricted states? Does it count as being 'bought' locally?
Because WA is on the verge of being very, very stupid about bulk ammo sales.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at March 23, 2025 07:57 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: Diogenes at March 23, 2025 07:58 PM (W/lyH)
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MAE...the double nickel! Happy early Birfday!
Posted by: haffhowershower at March 23, 2025 08:01 PM (NMT5x)
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Ed L, Firing a faster and lighter bullet than the pistol's sights were regulated for results in low hits. You get a similar issue with rifle sights but worse. Basically your Sig might require a different 9mm ammo than what you shot at the range. This is assuming everything else was correct.
The Sig design was built around 124 gr NATO which is a bit stiffer than std pressure under SAAMI but not +p. You can also play around with recoil springs which can tune your Sig. See Wolff Springs which has spring kits for people to tune their pistol.
The Sig design was built around 124 gr NATO which is a bit stiffer than std pressure under SAAMI but not +p. You can also play around with recoil springs which can tune your Sig. See Wolff Springs which has spring kits for people to tune their pistol.
Posted by: whig's phone at March 23, 2025 08:01 PM (ctrM5)
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Highway Patrol bad guy tries to escape ...THAT wagon? Oy vey.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 08:03 PM (+gEgk)
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It has been said better up above, I just want to add moar prayers ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 23, 2025 08:04 PM (/Ghsb)
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I have a High Point in .45. I think it was $119 on sale at Cabelas.
It is in a silicone soft case and is serving as my backup "truck gun".
It has gone bang for me every time. Had one FTE with a daughter shooting it, that might have been a limp wrist?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 07:27 PM (Q4Dc6)
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I have the carbine in 45.
The only reason I got it was because it was $300 total, almost new, 4 magazines and a new carrying case. Couldn't say no. It shoots good!
It is in a silicone soft case and is serving as my backup "truck gun".
It has gone bang for me every time. Had one FTE with a daughter shooting it, that might have been a limp wrist?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 07:27 PM (Q4Dc6)
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I have the carbine in 45.
The only reason I got it was because it was $300 total, almost new, 4 magazines and a new carrying case. Couldn't say no. It shoots good!
Posted by: Diogenes at March 23, 2025 08:05 PM (W/lyH)
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Ed L, what kind of ammo in the M1911A1? Some ammo is loaded right to original military specs and some is a bit hotter. Maybe see if there some hotter ammo out there which is reliable?
Just a thought.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 23, 2025 07:38 PM (tT6L1)
The original spec for the 1911 pistol trials was a 230 FMJ bullet delivering 802 feet per second of velocity at the muzzle. By the 1980s, MILSPEC ammo was still 230 FMJ, but the muzzle velocity was between 820 and 830 feet per second.
The caution about using hotter than MILSPEC ammo is the wear and tear hotter ammo will put on your pistol. The places I know of are the breech block where the firing pin protrudes, extractor, and the frame behind the barrel link and recoil spring. Of course, your recoil spring and mainspring will wear faster. If the steel on the frame or breech block begins to visibly deform, it might be time to retire the pistol. Keep in mind that WWI/WWII steel isn't as strong as modern steel and therefore, won't take the pounding we can dish out w/ hot ammo.
Just a thought.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 23, 2025 07:38 PM (tT6L1)
The original spec for the 1911 pistol trials was a 230 FMJ bullet delivering 802 feet per second of velocity at the muzzle. By the 1980s, MILSPEC ammo was still 230 FMJ, but the muzzle velocity was between 820 and 830 feet per second.
The caution about using hotter than MILSPEC ammo is the wear and tear hotter ammo will put on your pistol. The places I know of are the breech block where the firing pin protrudes, extractor, and the frame behind the barrel link and recoil spring. Of course, your recoil spring and mainspring will wear faster. If the steel on the frame or breech block begins to visibly deform, it might be time to retire the pistol. Keep in mind that WWI/WWII steel isn't as strong as modern steel and therefore, won't take the pounding we can dish out w/ hot ammo.
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:06 PM (AiJK3)
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GOD’s will prevails. If not I would have died Tuesday, That said, I have no words to convey how much I appreciate your prayers. Please keep them rolling.
Posted by: Eromero
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Yes, God's will does prevail. I'm just very thankful that His will was not to take you home on Tuesday. You will get thru this, and to support that you are, and will remain, at the top of my prayer list. Blessings to you and Mrs E.
Posted by: Eromero
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Yes, God's will does prevail. I'm just very thankful that His will was not to take you home on Tuesday. You will get thru this, and to support that you are, and will remain, at the top of my prayer list. Blessings to you and Mrs E.
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at March 23, 2025 08:07 PM (IQ6Gq)
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That dozer stuck in the mud reminded me of the time I drove onto a new construction site to show the house and my car sunk to the top of the hub caps. had to get towed out. Tow truck almost got stuck too. Not a fond memory.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 23, 2025 08:10 PM (t/2Uw)
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The Sig design was built around 124 gr NATO which is a bit stiffer than std pressure under SAAMI but not +p. You can also play around with recoil springs which can tune your Sig. See Wolff Springs which has spring kits for people to tune their pistol.
Posted by: whig's phone at March 23, 2025 08:01 PM (ctrM5)
Whig, I've been using Federal Syntech 124 grain ammo. I'll have to see if I have any NATO spec ammo and if I do, I'll feed the M11A1 some of that. I've been using Syntech ammo because it's a bit cleaner than most range ammo. Saves some time on the back end cleaning.
The Sig design was built around 124 gr NATO which is a bit stiffer than std pressure under SAAMI but not +p. You can also play around with recoil springs which can tune your Sig. See Wolff Springs which has spring kits for people to tune their pistol.
Posted by: whig's phone at March 23, 2025 08:01 PM (ctrM5)
Whig, I've been using Federal Syntech 124 grain ammo. I'll have to see if I have any NATO spec ammo and if I do, I'll feed the M11A1 some of that. I've been using Syntech ammo because it's a bit cleaner than most range ammo. Saves some time on the back end cleaning.
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:10 PM (AiJK3)
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83 I had a H i Point 995 carbine for quite a while, the original one without all the tacticool crap. Never shot it much but it always worked. A friend talked me out of it. He and his two sons like them as their ATV guns for hoorahing around the back forty. Drop it in the mud, no problem, get the hose when you come home. Never really clean them as it's a PIA. The old man has sent two back to Hi Point when they got very cruddy and they do stand by warranty. Cleaned 'em up, got 'em running and sent them back with an extra magazine.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 23, 2025 08:11 PM (gm9Sb)
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The Sig design was built around 124 gr NATO which is a bit stiffer than std pressure under SAAMI but not +p. You can also play around with recoil springs which can tune your Sig. See Wolff Springs which has spring kits for people to tune their pistol.
Posted by: whig's phone at March 23, 2025 08:01 PM (ctrM5)
I think I also have some 9mm +P ammo too.
The Sig design was built around 124 gr NATO which is a bit stiffer than std pressure under SAAMI but not +p. You can also play around with recoil springs which can tune your Sig. See Wolff Springs which has spring kits for people to tune their pistol.
Posted by: whig's phone at March 23, 2025 08:01 PM (ctrM5)
I think I also have some 9mm +P ammo too.
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:12 PM (AiJK3)
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Yes, God's will does prevail. I'm just very thankful that His will was not to take you home on Tuesday. You will get thru this, and to support that you are, and will remain, at the top of my prayer list. Blessings to you and Mrs E.
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at March 23, 2025 08:07 PM (IQ6Gq)
Thank you, m’am, much appreciated!
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at March 23, 2025 08:07 PM (IQ6Gq)
Thank you, m’am, much appreciated!
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 08:13 PM (jgmnb)
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... "couldn't say no."
bet we all have a story like that about how we acquired one or another of our guns ... that might be a fun topic some evening, Weasel.
one of my 637s was like that, the DAO one ... saw it in the case, looked at it, started digging Benjamins out of my wallet.
bet we all have a story like that about how we acquired one or another of our guns ... that might be a fun topic some evening, Weasel.
one of my 637s was like that, the DAO one ... saw it in the case, looked at it, started digging Benjamins out of my wallet.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 23, 2025 08:13 PM (/Ghsb)
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Water bottles might also work - and likely easier to clean up.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 07:37 PM (VNX3d)
My dad introduced me to the physics of terminal ballistics with Coors cans refilled with water. The small entry hole followed by the blowing out of the backside stuck with me. He also shot empty cans to show the small exit hole with no shockwave or expansion. We did the same with plastic milk jugs refilled with water. It's one of the things I made sure my son got to see, also.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 07:37 PM (VNX3d)
My dad introduced me to the physics of terminal ballistics with Coors cans refilled with water. The small entry hole followed by the blowing out of the backside stuck with me. He also shot empty cans to show the small exit hole with no shockwave or expansion. We did the same with plastic milk jugs refilled with water. It's one of the things I made sure my son got to see, also.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 08:14 PM (Puxt7)
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and yes, I want to join in with the others up above who EDC a 637
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 23, 2025 08:16 PM (/Ghsb)
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Range report: two outings this week, and I'm happy to report that the flinch issue is being successfully addressed. I was very please with the results on both days, and especially after shooting for 60+ minutes. No fatigue settling in. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions, and especially to Weasel who responded "don't do that." Now everytime I pull the trigger I hear his advice!
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at March 23, 2025 08:16 PM (IQ6Gq)
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My dad introduced me to the physics of terminal ballistics with Coors cans refilled with water. The small entry hole followed by the blowing out of the backside stuck with me. He also shot empty cans to show the small exit hole with no shockwave or expansion. We did the same with plastic milk jugs refilled with water. It's one of the things I made sure my son got to see, also.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 08:14 PM (Puxt7)
No mention of the Hickok 45 favorite, the two-liter pop bottle?
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 08:14 PM (Puxt7)
No mention of the Hickok 45 favorite, the two-liter pop bottle?
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:16 PM (AiJK3)
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My dad introduced me to the physics of terminal ballistics with Coors cans refilled with water. The small entry hole followed by the blowing out of the backside stuck with me. He also shot empty cans to show the small exit hole with no shockwave or expansion. We did the same with plastic milk jugs refilled with water. It's one of the things I made sure my son got to see, also.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 08:14 PM (Puxt7)
No mention of the Hickok 45 favorite, the two-liter pop bottle?
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:16 PM (AiJK3)
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The late Paul Harrell and his beef ribs over watermelon demo was pretty good.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 08:14 PM (Puxt7)
No mention of the Hickok 45 favorite, the two-liter pop bottle?
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:16 PM (AiJK3)
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The late Paul Harrell and his beef ribs over watermelon demo was pretty good.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 23, 2025 08:19 PM (tT6L1)
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No mention of the Hickok 45 favorite, the two-liter pop bottle?
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:16 PM
His issues with the 2L bottles are up there with Mr. Ballen's vendetta against the YouTube like button.
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:16 PM
His issues with the 2L bottles are up there with Mr. Ballen's vendetta against the YouTube like button.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 23, 2025 08:20 PM (Wnv9h)
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Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 07:56 PM (MFVNc)
Ugh. Got some text going in weird spots in that one. I'm on my phone. I blame AI.
Ugh. Got some text going in weird spots in that one. I'm on my phone. I blame AI.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 08:20 PM (Puxt7)
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Wasn't there some Winchester WB 9mm that was hotter than NATO spec on the market a few years ago?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 08:21 PM (a3Q+t)
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No mention of the Hickok 45 favorite, the two-liter pop bottle?
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:16 PM (AiJK3)
For some reason, I remember seeing someone use watermelons as targets. R Lee Ermey in Mail Call?
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:16 PM (AiJK3)
For some reason, I remember seeing someone use watermelons as targets. R Lee Ermey in Mail Call?
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 08:21 PM (VNX3d)
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How does that work in ammo-restricted states? Does it count as being 'bought' locally?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at March 23, 2025 07:57 PM (xcxpd)
I don't know.
But I will check the site and see what they say.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at March 23, 2025 07:57 PM (xcxpd)
I don't know.
But I will check the site and see what they say.Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 08:21 PM (Puxt7)
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Wasn't there some Winchester WB 9mm that was hotter than NATO spec on the market a few years ago?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 08:21 PM (a3Q+t)
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Winchester WB was ammo I swore at, not by.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 08:21 PM (a3Q+t)
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Winchester WB was ammo I swore at, not by.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 23, 2025 08:22 PM (tT6L1)
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Years ago my buddy and I went plinking. Shooting at 2L water bottles, I had my Ruger P85 9mm. It was just meh. So he's like, ok watch this. Gets out his lever-action Winchester 30-30. I quickly learned that we did not bring nearly enough bottles!
Posted by: haffhowershower at March 23, 2025 08:22 PM (NMT5x)
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Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special you'll-shoot-your-eye-out greeting to our host Weasel.
Great to see Eromero back and posting in the Food Thread!
Great to see Eromero back and posting in the Food Thread!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at March 23, 2025 08:23 PM (v23vE)
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Weasel, Hickok45 had several 4th Shots in that video. ;-)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 08:24 PM (a3Q+t)
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Back to fun with arthritic hands. One would think the little NAA mini revolver would be terrible with bad claws. I have no trouble with mine, and it's my Always EDC. Because of the cane, I have a convoluted, hard to explain draw, and then fire two handed from the waist, still allowing some support from the cane. Fired right hand, cocked left hand, and at 7' all five go in the severe tummy ache zone. Took some practice to get it down.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 23, 2025 08:24 PM (gm9Sb)
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Great to see Eromero back and posting in the Food Thread!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at March 23, 2025 08:23 PM
He's posting in this Thread too, praise be!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at March 23, 2025 08:23 PM
He's posting in this Thread too, praise be!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 08:26 PM (a3Q+t)
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Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 08:24 PM (a3Q+t)
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I noticed that too, still, I have shamed my ancestors.
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I noticed that too, still, I have shamed my ancestors.
Posted by: Weasel at March 23, 2025 08:26 PM (4t+0i)
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From the website (as of now):
WE ARE UNABLE TO SHIP AMMUNITION TO:
Any location not in the Continental United States (Alaska, Hawaii, International)
P.O. Boxes (UPS and Fedex require a physical address)
WE CAN SHIP TO THE FOLLOWING AREAS ONCE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS ARE MET:
California: Now requires we ship ammo to FFL Dealer or Ammo Dealer.
Connecticut: Must have copy of DL and Permit to Carry or Ammunition Certificate
New Jersey: Require Valid Firearms Identification Card on File.
Massachusetts: Require LTC or FID on File before shipping.
Illinois: Require Valid Firearms Identification Card on File and Driver’s License or State ID.
New York: We are unable to ship to New York City but can ship elsewhere in the state.
WE ARE UNABLE TO SHIP AMMUNITION TO:
Any location not in the Continental United States (Alaska, Hawaii, International)
P.O. Boxes (UPS and Fedex require a physical address)
WE CAN SHIP TO THE FOLLOWING AREAS ONCE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS ARE MET:
California: Now requires we ship ammo to FFL Dealer or Ammo Dealer.
Connecticut: Must have copy of DL and Permit to Carry or Ammunition Certificate
New Jersey: Require Valid Firearms Identification Card on File.
Massachusetts: Require LTC or FID on File before shipping.
Illinois: Require Valid Firearms Identification Card on File and Driver’s License or State ID.
New York: We are unable to ship to New York City but can ship elsewhere in the state.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 08:26 PM (Puxt7)
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Great to see Eromero back and posting in the Food Thread!
(and in the gun thread as well!)
Prayers of thanksgiving for your escaping the long nap on Tuesday, and prayers of healing for your continued recovery, sir!
(and in the gun thread as well!)
Prayers of thanksgiving for your escaping the long nap on Tuesday, and prayers of healing for your continued recovery, sir!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at March 23, 2025 08:26 PM (v23vE)
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Winchester WB was ammo I swore at, not by.
Pretty much guaranteed an immediate field strip and cleaning after use.
Pretty much guaranteed an immediate field strip and cleaning after use.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 23, 2025 08:26 PM (mH6SG)
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Wasn't there some Winchester WB 9mm that was hotter than NATO spec on the market a few years ago?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 08:21 PM (a3Q+t)
I think Federal has some offerings of 9mm in +P+ pressures. But those are really for SMGs, not handguns. Not sure about anyone else. But I know they're out there.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 08:21 PM (a3Q+t)
I think Federal has some offerings of 9mm in +P+ pressures. But those are really for SMGs, not handguns. Not sure about anyone else. But I know they're out there.
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:26 PM (AiJK3)
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112 In the 80s there was some surplus Canadian 9mm sold. Plain brown box, 64 rounds each. Very hot ammo. I'm thinking maybe for Stirling SMG?
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 23, 2025 08:29 PM (gm9Sb)
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I think I also have some 9mm +P ammo too.
Posted by: Ed L
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Winchester, among some other brands, mostly imported, sell range ammo in 9mm 124gr that is NATO spec including the crimped primer pockets. Look for the symbol.
Assuming nothing else happened, the typical issue with fixed sights comes from shooting relatively fast and lighter 115 gr or lighter at 1200 fps or greater when military spec 9mm, are regulated for about 1180-1200 fps. Slightly under what SAAMI calls +p as far as pressure goes.
Reloaders can speed up or slow down loads to fit sight regulation but the easiest way, albeit pricey at times, most people do is to have adjustable back sights.
Adjustable sights are especially important in revolvers because something like the 357 Magnum or other high performance magnums shoot to different points of impact relative to the sights depending the bullet weight and velocity.
Cop or military revolvers in 38 Spec. have fixed sights for durability but that usually means cop guns being regulated for the FBI load-aka 158 gr +p if old. Sometimes 130 gr Std Pressure for military revolvers.
Posted by: Ed L
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Winchester, among some other brands, mostly imported, sell range ammo in 9mm 124gr that is NATO spec including the crimped primer pockets. Look for the symbol.
Assuming nothing else happened, the typical issue with fixed sights comes from shooting relatively fast and lighter 115 gr or lighter at 1200 fps or greater when military spec 9mm, are regulated for about 1180-1200 fps. Slightly under what SAAMI calls +p as far as pressure goes.
Reloaders can speed up or slow down loads to fit sight regulation but the easiest way, albeit pricey at times, most people do is to have adjustable back sights.
Adjustable sights are especially important in revolvers because something like the 357 Magnum or other high performance magnums shoot to different points of impact relative to the sights depending the bullet weight and velocity.
Cop or military revolvers in 38 Spec. have fixed sights for durability but that usually means cop guns being regulated for the FBI load-aka 158 gr +p if old. Sometimes 130 gr Std Pressure for military revolvers.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 08:29 PM (ctrM5)
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No mention of the Hickok 45 favorite, the two-liter pop bottle?
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:16 PM (AiJK3)
I don't think we had any of those. I'm sure dad had to search for plastic milk jugs.
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:16 PM (AiJK3)
I don't think we had any of those. I'm sure dad had to search for plastic milk jugs.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 08:31 PM (6bIhC)
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For the true adventurists:
Hikok45 firing black powder load in a Glock 21 Gen 4
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IK8DzZS9iKM?feature=share
For the true adventurists:
Hikok45 firing black powder load in a Glock 21 Gen 4
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IK8DzZS9iKM?feature=share
Posted by: Arbalest at March 23, 2025 08:32 PM (FlRtG)
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I'm surprised that in the Gun Thread no one has acknowledged that Robert Leider has become the Assistant Director/Chief Counsel of the ATF.
A whole lot better than the shrew Pamela Hicks that AG Bondi tossed out last month.
A whole lot better than the shrew Pamela Hicks that AG Bondi tossed out last month.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 23, 2025 08:32 PM (a4flb)
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Wasn't there some Winchester WB 9mm that was hotter than NATO spec on the market a few years ago?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 08:21 PM (a3Q+t)
I think Federal has some offerings of 9mm in +P+ pressures. But those are really for SMGs, not handguns. Not sure about anyone else. But I know they're out there.
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:26 PM
'On the market' = escaped. I remember the local BPS had a pallet at a very attractive $/box, and I was quietly told that it was "very hot", as in not good for your pistol in quantity. Supposedly NATO rejected it. Never found any confirmation on any of that.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 08:21 PM (a3Q+t)
I think Federal has some offerings of 9mm in +P+ pressures. But those are really for SMGs, not handguns. Not sure about anyone else. But I know they're out there.
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:26 PM
'On the market' = escaped. I remember the local BPS had a pallet at a very attractive $/box, and I was quietly told that it was "very hot", as in not good for your pistol in quantity. Supposedly NATO rejected it. Never found any confirmation on any of that.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 08:33 PM (a3Q+t)
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Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 08:29 PM (ctrM5)
Thanks, whig. I'll make sure to bring 9mm +P ammo and NATO spec ammo (if I have them). I'll compare the points of impact for all of them. The drop from point of aim becomes really noticeable at 10 yards, but it's definitely observable at 7 yards.
Thanks, whig. I'll make sure to bring 9mm +P ammo and NATO spec ammo (if I have them). I'll compare the points of impact for all of them. The drop from point of aim becomes really noticeable at 10 yards, but it's definitely observable at 7 yards.
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:34 PM (AiJK3)
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In what could prove to be a momentous development, the new top lawyer at the ever-overreaching Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is a Second Amendment proponent and scholar who clerked for the Supreme Court's foremost gun-rights advocate. "Good news from the DOJ today," said the National Association for Gun Rights. "This one could be HUGE."
https://t.ly/m0faN
In what could prove to be a momentous development, the new top lawyer at the ever-overreaching Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is a Second Amendment proponent and scholar who clerked for the Supreme Court's foremost gun-rights advocate. "Good news from the DOJ today," said the National Association for Gun Rights. "This one could be HUGE."
https://t.ly/m0faN
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 23, 2025 08:36 PM (63Dwl)
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115 When I was a kid we saved Mom's Clorox bottles for shooting. A few of us were blasting away at them one day, having saved money for stuff like $3 a box .45 and 9mm. Doing all the cool stuff like dropping prone and doing a mag dump. Towards the end of the session, at about 75 yards, I said "watch this". I had one of those tiny Rossi .22s, replicating an M frame S&W Ladysmith. Put one shot down range, must have clipped the bleach bottle right at the cap and knocked it over. Luckiest shot ever, and of course I blew across the muzzle being 17.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 23, 2025 08:37 PM (gm9Sb)
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I think I also have some 9mm +P ammo too.
Posted by: Ed L
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FWIW, play around with ammo selection before trying to tweak recoil springs. Euro 9mm that is NATO might shoot fine to where the poa equals the poi at something like 15 or 25 yards (might be in your manual what the sights and recommended ammo load are regulated for). FWIW, you can also try a heavier bullet at std pressure aka the 147 gr std. pressure. Even though it is slower, it will shoot higher than faster and lighter.
If you really want to know, there is an actual formula incorporated bullet weight, velocity, and sight height. Matters a lot for long arms at a distance as you have to zero with each different load (powder+bullet (and sometimes primer)) at whatever your zero range will be.
Recoil springs kits are usually tweaked for competitors that often have a set of chrony specs they have to meet for competition and that can mean faster, heavier, or higher pressure loads (especially for comped race guns) and often they tinker with recoil springs (if they do not reload) to meet what they need.
Posted by: Ed L
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FWIW, play around with ammo selection before trying to tweak recoil springs. Euro 9mm that is NATO might shoot fine to where the poa equals the poi at something like 15 or 25 yards (might be in your manual what the sights and recommended ammo load are regulated for). FWIW, you can also try a heavier bullet at std pressure aka the 147 gr std. pressure. Even though it is slower, it will shoot higher than faster and lighter.
If you really want to know, there is an actual formula incorporated bullet weight, velocity, and sight height. Matters a lot for long arms at a distance as you have to zero with each different load (powder+bullet (and sometimes primer)) at whatever your zero range will be.
Recoil springs kits are usually tweaked for competitors that often have a set of chrony specs they have to meet for competition and that can mean faster, heavier, or higher pressure loads (especially for comped race guns) and often they tinker with recoil springs (if they do not reload) to meet what they need.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 08:38 PM (ctrM5)
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'On the market' = escaped. I remember the local BPS had a pallet at a very attractive $/box, and I was quietly told that it was "very hot", as in not good for your pistol in quantity. Supposedly NATO rejected it. Never found any confirmation on any of that.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 08:33 PM (a3Q+t)
The H&K SP5 and my MP5 both have the "F" model improvements, which allow the firearm to shoot +P+ ammo. The SP5 is supposedly rated for 40,000 rounds of +P+ ammo without parts breakage or replacement. I know that the French police specified +P+ ammo for the MP5's they ordered. H&K made those improvements standard for its MP5s and SP5s in the mid-2000s.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 08:33 PM (a3Q+t)
The H&K SP5 and my MP5 both have the "F" model improvements, which allow the firearm to shoot +P+ ammo. The SP5 is supposedly rated for 40,000 rounds of +P+ ammo without parts breakage or replacement. I know that the French police specified +P+ ammo for the MP5's they ordered. H&K made those improvements standard for its MP5s and SP5s in the mid-2000s.
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:39 PM (AiJK3)
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and yes, I want to join in with the others up above who EDC a 637
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 23, 2025 08:16 PM (/Ghsb)
It's a great carry piece. And for some reason, I just prefer having a revolver with a hammer.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 23, 2025 08:16 PM (/Ghsb)
It's a great carry piece. And for some reason, I just prefer having a revolver with a hammer.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 23, 2025 08:39 PM (Hdixl)
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I stopped doing +P quite a while back. Mostly in an effort to establish some uniformity as to how my firearms behaved. I don't miss it much.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 23, 2025 08:42 PM (mH6SG)
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Since Ed brought up shooting low...
I was reading about the Beretta 30X this week. That's the mouse gun I've had my eye on, and I might have enough refund to buy it. There are 3 models. One that I want is the Get Home edition, with a threaded barrel. Because the gun is so small, the sights at "suppressor height" evidently make the gun's POI lower than the POA. It is accurate, just not where you're putting the sights.
It's still what I want. It ain't for work at a distance where it matters.
I was reading about the Beretta 30X this week. That's the mouse gun I've had my eye on, and I might have enough refund to buy it. There are 3 models. One that I want is the Get Home edition, with a threaded barrel. Because the gun is so small, the sights at "suppressor height" evidently make the gun's POI lower than the POA. It is accurate, just not where you're putting the sights.
It's still what I want. It ain't for work at a distance where it matters.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 08:42 PM (EpnP+)
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WRT shooting glasses: Yes, I wear them. Long story short, I’ve had corrective eye surgery, technically I am good to go w/o glasses. Just bought a pair of prescription Oackley shooting glasses last year. The prescription is, of course, additive to my surgically corrected eyes. The lenses are progressive. My eye doctor (who is a shooter too) gave me the prescription.
My shooting got measurably better, and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t a fluke.
My normal shooting is long range pistols, usually single shot stuff w/silly rifle calibers, brakes & rifle scopes. Ranges from 100 - 1200 yards, typical 200-1000. Lots of precision.
So, consider adding a prescription to your safety glasses.
My shooting got measurably better, and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t a fluke.
My normal shooting is long range pistols, usually single shot stuff w/silly rifle calibers, brakes & rifle scopes. Ranges from 100 - 1200 yards, typical 200-1000. Lots of precision.
So, consider adding a prescription to your safety glasses.
Posted by: Just anothermike at March 23, 2025 08:42 PM (f2FgH)
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Thanks, whig. I'll make sure to bring 9mm +P ammo and NATO spec ammo (if I have them). I'll compare the points of impact for all of them. The drop from point of aim becomes really noticeable at 10 yards, but it's definitely observable at 7 yards.
Posted by: Ed L
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Specs of your +p should be on the box as to fps velocity and bullet weight of course.
It gets weird as zeroing for fixed sights means you find the load that shoots true to your sights and stick with it or do the kentucky windage which is not a great thing to do with a defensive weapon because it makes you inconsistent in fast shooting. Last is to switch out the rear sights for rear tritium sights. They make them for a lot of pistols but usually expensive.
You can also reach out to Sig as they have pretty good customer service.
If you ever get into Smith and Wessons, 3rd generation and earlier 9mms and other domestic brands are specifically built around the 115 gr bullet at 1250 or so fps.
Euro guns from the 60's on are built around the 124 gr NATO spec at the 1180-1200 fps.
Posted by: Ed L
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Specs of your +p should be on the box as to fps velocity and bullet weight of course.
It gets weird as zeroing for fixed sights means you find the load that shoots true to your sights and stick with it or do the kentucky windage which is not a great thing to do with a defensive weapon because it makes you inconsistent in fast shooting. Last is to switch out the rear sights for rear tritium sights. They make them for a lot of pistols but usually expensive.
You can also reach out to Sig as they have pretty good customer service.
If you ever get into Smith and Wessons, 3rd generation and earlier 9mms and other domestic brands are specifically built around the 115 gr bullet at 1250 or so fps.
Euro guns from the 60's on are built around the 124 gr NATO spec at the 1180-1200 fps.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 08:43 PM (ctrM5)
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My neighbor wants a carry gun and we've been discussing some options. Florida enacted constitutional carry but he went and got his CCW so as to be able to do same-day purchase at stores and gun shows, and also be legit in reciprocal states.
We looked at all the specs for the small semiautomatics but I'm now advising him to get the Smith 642 Airweight 5-shot DAO revolver in 38-special.
This because fully loaded it weighs just a pound, and is quite concealable. One sticky holster is good for the pocket or inside the waistband.
The only local range here has 90 different guns one can rent, but none is a 642.
They have a Ruger LCR. Would this handle the same as the 642? We've watched the comparo videos on YouTube and one guy says the LCR's shape causes blisters on the web of the shooting hand.
We looked at all the specs for the small semiautomatics but I'm now advising him to get the Smith 642 Airweight 5-shot DAO revolver in 38-special.
This because fully loaded it weighs just a pound, and is quite concealable. One sticky holster is good for the pocket or inside the waistband.
The only local range here has 90 different guns one can rent, but none is a 642.
They have a Ruger LCR. Would this handle the same as the 642? We've watched the comparo videos on YouTube and one guy says the LCR's shape causes blisters on the web of the shooting hand.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at March 23, 2025 08:43 PM (KiBMU)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 23, 2025 08:43 PM (/Ghsb)
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Put one shot down range, must have clipped the bleach bottle right at the cap and knocked it over. Luckiest shot ever, and of course I blew across the muzzle being 17.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 23, 2025 08:37 PM
"We'll be back!"
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 23, 2025 08:37 PM
"We'll be back!"
Posted by: The Clorox Bottle known as "Black Bart" at March 23, 2025 08:44 PM (a3Q+t)
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And for some reason, I just prefer having a revolver with a hammer.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 23, 2025 08:39 PM (Hdixl)
I'm with you on that, SOB! I like my options on things like DA or SA.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 23, 2025 08:39 PM (Hdixl)
I'm with you on that, SOB! I like my options on things like DA or SA.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 08:48 PM (EpnP+)
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Slow night and I need to get ready for a meeting in the morning, so all y'all can make this an open thread if you like. See you next Sunday!
Posted by: Weasel at March 23, 2025 08:49 PM (4t+0i)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 23, 2025 08:50 PM (tT6L1)
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They have a Ruger LCR. Would this handle the same as the 642? We've watched the comparo videos on YouTube and one guy says the LCR's shape causes blisters on the web of the shooting hand.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at March 23, 2025 08:43 PM
642 is a good choice, but requires some effort and practice to master.
The LCR would give him some indication about shooting a DA snub, but a 642 would likely be more comfortable, especially with a Hogue. Most snubs don't let you get your pinky on the grip, and the pinky contributes ~33% to your grip strength, so he'll get an idea of how that will work for him.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at March 23, 2025 08:43 PM
642 is a good choice, but requires some effort and practice to master.
The LCR would give him some indication about shooting a DA snub, but a 642 would likely be more comfortable, especially with a Hogue. Most snubs don't let you get your pinky on the grip, and the pinky contributes ~33% to your grip strength, so he'll get an idea of how that will work for him.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 08:50 PM (a3Q+t)
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125 I stopped doing +P quite a while back. Mostly in an effort to establish some uniformity as to how my firearms behaved. I don't miss it much.
Posted by: Notorious BFD
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I use it in one place. Self defense snubby loads in a Smith steel framed Model 60. Since I reload, I segregate all the nickel plated 38 SPC cases and use those for the +p as invariably these are from +p self defense loads that I shoot when testing out self defense loads. I don't segregate the +p brass cased from the other generic brass. I do that for two reasons.
1) I create loads that are equivalent in recoil and poi to my self defense load du jour in the snubbie and I always keep some of the +p loaded to the old FBI 158 semi wadcutter hollow point with swaged lead bullets.
2) I see nickel plated brass not in a factory box, I know instantly that it is self defense equivalent reloads and +p to boot. So avoid shooting in old collectibles.
Nickel plated brass will crack, usually at the case mouth, before brass will so better to use it sparingly for self defense equivalent training ammo than regular range ammo.
Posted by: Notorious BFD
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I use it in one place. Self defense snubby loads in a Smith steel framed Model 60. Since I reload, I segregate all the nickel plated 38 SPC cases and use those for the +p as invariably these are from +p self defense loads that I shoot when testing out self defense loads. I don't segregate the +p brass cased from the other generic brass. I do that for two reasons.
1) I create loads that are equivalent in recoil and poi to my self defense load du jour in the snubbie and I always keep some of the +p loaded to the old FBI 158 semi wadcutter hollow point with swaged lead bullets.
2) I see nickel plated brass not in a factory box, I know instantly that it is self defense equivalent reloads and +p to boot. So avoid shooting in old collectibles.
Nickel plated brass will crack, usually at the case mouth, before brass will so better to use it sparingly for self defense equivalent training ammo than regular range ammo.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 08:50 PM (ctrM5)
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Thanks, Weasel! Hope your meeting goes well and hope you have a great week.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 23, 2025 08:50 PM (mH6SG)
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Weasel, I do enjoy the restorations, but this one has too many parts. What is it?
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 08:50 PM (jgmnb)
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133 Slow night and I need to get ready for a meeting in the morning, so all y'all can make this an open thread if you like. See you next Sunday!
Posted by: Weasel
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Thanks. And good luck at your meeting.
Posted by: Weasel
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Thanks. And good luck at your meeting.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 08:51 PM (ctrM5)
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'Night Weasel
We'll behave.
i did see a story that Kash Patel is about to remove 1000 agents from the ATF. Maybe they will stop harrassing gun store owners now.
We'll behave.
i did see a story that Kash Patel is about to remove 1000 agents from the ATF. Maybe they will stop harrassing gun store owners now.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 23, 2025 08:51 PM (t/2Uw)
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Slow night and I need to get ready for a meeting in the morning
Posted by: Weasel at March 23, 2025 08:49 PM
He's already planning on a Zoom call with Ace. Sad!
Posted by: Weasel at March 23, 2025 08:49 PM
He's already planning on a Zoom call with Ace. Sad!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 08:51 PM (a3Q+t)
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Slow night and I need to get ready for a meeting in the morning, so all y'all can make this an open thread if you like. See you next Sunday!
Posted by: Weasel at March 23, 2025 08:49 PM
Thanks for a great thread, Weasel.
Posted by: Weasel at March 23, 2025 08:49 PM
Thanks for a great thread, Weasel.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 23, 2025 08:51 PM (Wnv9h)
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138 Weasel, I do enjoy the restorations, but this one has too many parts. What is it?
Posted by: Eromero
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Prayers for a speedy recovery Eromero. I had pneumonia twice but only in both lungs once. Took a long while to recover so you take care.
Posted by: Eromero
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Prayers for a speedy recovery Eromero. I had pneumonia twice but only in both lungs once. Took a long while to recover so you take care.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 08:53 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 23, 2025 08:53 PM (mH6SG)
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BTW, is it feasible to carry a .32 ACP with silencer in a shoulder rig?
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 08:53 PM (QoQrd)
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Good evening gub threaders and all the ships at sea.
Prayers up for requested and unrequested needs.
Prayers up for requested and unrequested needs.
Posted by: President Trump at March 23, 2025 08:54 PM (QfvaV)
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Posted by: Mr Gaga at March 23, 2025 08:43 PM (KiBMU)
My two cents, but I'm pretty sure it won't handle the same way. For revolvers, the grips can make or break the gun in how it feels in the hand.
If they're available, I'd try the standard weight S&W J-Frame. The big problem w/ lightweight guns is that the recoil (especially from snubbies) makes them difficult to use and an unpleasant experience to practice with. I'd recommend a 3" or even a 4" barreled revolver over a snubbie for a rookie shooter. If you're determined to roll w/ a snubbie, the Colt Cobra has full sized grips, which are critical to aiming and control of the weapon. They might not be there for a S&W, and definitely not an LCR.
My two cents, but I'm pretty sure it won't handle the same way. For revolvers, the grips can make or break the gun in how it feels in the hand.
If they're available, I'd try the standard weight S&W J-Frame. The big problem w/ lightweight guns is that the recoil (especially from snubbies) makes them difficult to use and an unpleasant experience to practice with. I'd recommend a 3" or even a 4" barreled revolver over a snubbie for a rookie shooter. If you're determined to roll w/ a snubbie, the Colt Cobra has full sized grips, which are critical to aiming and control of the weapon. They might not be there for a S&W, and definitely not an LCR.
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:54 PM (AiJK3)
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BTW, is it feasible to carry a .32 ACP with silencer in a shoulder rig?
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 08:53 PM (QoQrd)
Walther has the PPK/S SD which comes with a threaded barrel from the factory in .32 ACP. If you can get a small enough suppressor, it's definitely possible.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 08:53 PM (QoQrd)
Walther has the PPK/S SD which comes with a threaded barrel from the factory in .32 ACP. If you can get a small enough suppressor, it's definitely possible.
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:57 PM (AiJK3)
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Thanks, whig. I'll make sure to bring 9mm +P ammo and NATO spec ammo (if I have them). I'll compare the points of impact for all of them. The drop from point of aim becomes really noticeable at 10 yards, but it's definitely observable at 7 yards.
Posted by: Ed L
That is about where it should be noticeable. Shorter than 7 yards, it doesn't matter much. Since I reload 9mm and have pistols regulated for the 115gr and the NATO 124, I have to have two segregated ammo piles which kind of sucks and I also started switching my self defense 9mm over to 147 gr due to its penetration, std. pressure, and lighter recoil impulse.
The top 147 gr self defense loads from Winchester and Federal HST lines are very good at the sweet spot of penetration and consistent expansion to meet the 12-18 inch penetration and something like .60+ on expansion.
Posted by: Ed L
That is about where it should be noticeable. Shorter than 7 yards, it doesn't matter much. Since I reload 9mm and have pistols regulated for the 115gr and the NATO 124, I have to have two segregated ammo piles which kind of sucks and I also started switching my self defense 9mm over to 147 gr due to its penetration, std. pressure, and lighter recoil impulse.
The top 147 gr self defense loads from Winchester and Federal HST lines are very good at the sweet spot of penetration and consistent expansion to meet the 12-18 inch penetration and something like .60+ on expansion.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 08:57 PM (ctrM5)
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Thanks for hosting, Weasel! See you all next week!
Posted by: Ed L at March 23, 2025 08:58 PM (AiJK3)
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... o, & fistbump to up above who called the NAA the "Always Carry", that is exactly how I feel about it.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 23, 2025 08:59 PM (/Ghsb)
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147 During one of their many, many firearms changes, the FBI had a K frame, 3" barrel, with a "banana" grip, simply a beefed up S&W round butt. This wasn't in service long as their painful (9mm to .40 and back to 9mm) switch to autos came about. Really nice handling revolver, enough weight to soak up some recoil, and concealable.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 23, 2025 08:59 PM (gm9Sb)
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117 I'm surprised that in the Gun Thread no one has acknowledged that Robert Leider has become the Assistant Director/Chief Counsel of the ATF.
A whole lot better than the shrew Pamela Hicks that AG Bondi tossed out last month.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 23, 2025 08:32 PM (a4flb
Good news indeed. ‘Let my people go.’
A whole lot better than the shrew Pamela Hicks that AG Bondi tossed out last month.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at March 23, 2025 08:32 PM (a4flb
Good news indeed. ‘Let my people go.’
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 09:00 PM (jgmnb)
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Thx Weasel!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 23, 2025 09:00 PM (/Ghsb)
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That is about where it should be noticeable. Shorter than 7 yards, it doesn't matter much. Since I reload 9mm and have pistols regulated for the 115gr and the NATO 124, I have to have two segregated ammo piles which kind of sucks and I also started switching my self defense 9mm over to 147 gr due to its penetration, std. pressure, and lighter recoil impulse.
The top 147 gr self defense loads from Winchester and Federal HST lines are very good at the sweet spot of penetration and consistent expansion to meet the 12-18 inch penetration and something like .60+ on expansion.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 08:57 PM (ctrM5)
I've also switched to 147 gr when carrying 9mm.
It also did well in the infamous Thompson–LaGard animal tests back in the early days of the 20th century.
The top 147 gr self defense loads from Winchester and Federal HST lines are very good at the sweet spot of penetration and consistent expansion to meet the 12-18 inch penetration and something like .60+ on expansion.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 08:57 PM (ctrM5)
I've also switched to 147 gr when carrying 9mm.
It also did well in the infamous Thompson–LaGard animal tests back in the early days of the 20th century.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 23, 2025 09:02 PM (xcxpd)
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Mr. gaga,
Duncananthrax is giving good advice. If you need a house and yard (or even car gun), consider a 4 inch steel ex cop gun which Smith made a bunch of them.
If a carry revolver gun, three inches is the sweet spot of having enough distance between the front and rear sights, plus still concealable, and a bit more weight to add to shootability. If you do pocket carry, you do not want a hammer spur so buy one without it. These are not 25 yard guns (not accuracy so much as sight length and greater recoil).
Mechanically a 1 7/8 barrel Smith snubbie is as accurate (leaving aside bullet drop) as a 8 inch barrelled hunting Smith. But, due to recoil and short sight length, most people cannot shoot them nearly as well.
Duncananthrax is giving good advice. If you need a house and yard (or even car gun), consider a 4 inch steel ex cop gun which Smith made a bunch of them.
If a carry revolver gun, three inches is the sweet spot of having enough distance between the front and rear sights, plus still concealable, and a bit more weight to add to shootability. If you do pocket carry, you do not want a hammer spur so buy one without it. These are not 25 yard guns (not accuracy so much as sight length and greater recoil).
Mechanically a 1 7/8 barrel Smith snubbie is as accurate (leaving aside bullet drop) as a 8 inch barrelled hunting Smith. But, due to recoil and short sight length, most people cannot shoot them nearly as well.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:02 PM (ctrM5)
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So here is the situation with Ed Ls M11A1
This is essentially an Sig P229. It shoots about 2 inches below point of aim at 5 yards. I don't think this is a SAAMI pressure thing.
I think it needs different sights and I thought I had it figured out but then I think wait no that's wrong.
It has XRAY3 sights and I am familiar with #6 and #8 front and rear sights for Sig. I presume they have other numbers I have never seen them.
Ed L will have to remind me but I think we figured out he has #8 front and rear and if he puts a #6 on the front which is lower that means the front of the pistol has to come up a bit.
This is essentially an Sig P229. It shoots about 2 inches below point of aim at 5 yards. I don't think this is a SAAMI pressure thing.
I think it needs different sights and I thought I had it figured out but then I think wait no that's wrong.
It has XRAY3 sights and I am familiar with #6 and #8 front and rear sights for Sig. I presume they have other numbers I have never seen them.
Ed L will have to remind me but I think we figured out he has #8 front and rear and if he puts a #6 on the front which is lower that means the front of the pistol has to come up a bit.
Posted by: President Trump at March 23, 2025 09:03 PM (QfvaV)
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 09:03 PM (VNX3d)
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145 BTW, is it feasible to carry a .32 ACP with silencer in a shoulder rig?
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 08:53 PM (QoQrd)
Yeah, but it's going to have a long overall length. If you can conceal a 6" S&W 29, you can conceal a suppressed .32.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 08:53 PM (QoQrd)
Yeah, but it's going to have a long overall length. If you can conceal a 6" S&W 29, you can conceal a suppressed .32.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 23, 2025 09:03 PM (xcxpd)
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I've also switched to 147 gr when carrying 9mm.
It also did well in the infamous Thompson–LaGard animal tests back in the early days of the 20th century.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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It is a bit easier on the older 9mm as well and very often shoots close to the existing sights at the range on something like a Browning HP.
Ironically it is the reverse in 40 S&W, the lighter and faster going from 165 to about 135 gr are easier to shoot than the original 180 gr. load.
It also did well in the infamous Thompson–LaGard animal tests back in the early days of the 20th century.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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It is a bit easier on the older 9mm as well and very often shoots close to the existing sights at the range on something like a Browning HP.
Ironically it is the reverse in 40 S&W, the lighter and faster going from 165 to about 135 gr are easier to shoot than the original 180 gr. load.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:05 PM (ctrM5)
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We went out to a friend of my son's property today and shot some stuff, like his new old Martini-Rossi and my $300 AR pistol thingy.
Posted by: fd at March 23, 2025 09:05 PM (vFG9F)
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156 Mr. gaga,
Duncananthrax is giving good advice. If you need a house and yard (or even car gun), consider a 4 inch steel ex cop gun which Smith made a bunch of them.
If a carry revolver gun, three inches is the sweet spot of having enough distance between the front and rear sights, plus still concealable, and a bit more weight to add to shootability. If you do pocket carry, you do not want a hammer spur so buy one without it. These are not 25 yard guns (not accuracy so much as sight length and greater recoil).
Mechanically a 1 7/8 barrel Smith snubbie is as accurate (leaving aside bullet drop) as a 8 inch barrelled hunting Smith. But, due to recoil and short sight length, most people cannot shoot them nearly as well.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:02 PM (ctrM5)
Not to start a fight, but I can't endorse revolvers for house/yard/car guns UNLESS you want to carry a magnum. Automatics are much better for recoil, capacity, follow up shots and everything except for 'tussling'. And the Springfield XD9 is also good for tussling.
Duncananthrax is giving good advice. If you need a house and yard (or even car gun), consider a 4 inch steel ex cop gun which Smith made a bunch of them.
If a carry revolver gun, three inches is the sweet spot of having enough distance between the front and rear sights, plus still concealable, and a bit more weight to add to shootability. If you do pocket carry, you do not want a hammer spur so buy one without it. These are not 25 yard guns (not accuracy so much as sight length and greater recoil).
Mechanically a 1 7/8 barrel Smith snubbie is as accurate (leaving aside bullet drop) as a 8 inch barrelled hunting Smith. But, due to recoil and short sight length, most people cannot shoot them nearly as well.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:02 PM (ctrM5)
Not to start a fight, but I can't endorse revolvers for house/yard/car guns UNLESS you want to carry a magnum. Automatics are much better for recoil, capacity, follow up shots and everything except for 'tussling'. And the Springfield XD9 is also good for tussling.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 23, 2025 09:05 PM (xcxpd)
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It is a bit easier on the older 9mm as well and very often shoots close to the existing sights at the range on something like a Browning HP.
Ironically it is the reverse in 40 S&W, the lighter and faster going from 165 to about 135 gr are easier to shoot than the original 180 gr. load.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:05 PM (ctrM5)
Interesting...
Ironically it is the reverse in 40 S&W, the lighter and faster going from 165 to about 135 gr are easier to shoot than the original 180 gr. load.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:05 PM (ctrM5)
Interesting...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 23, 2025 09:05 PM (xcxpd)
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Thanks, Weasel. See you next week!
Posted by: RI Red at March 23, 2025 09:05 PM (MMlKO)
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159 145 BTW, is it feasible to carry a .32 ACP with silencer in a shoulder rig?
Posted by: GWB
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Read your state's laws first. You might also want to make sure you have your ATF stamp and form when you do.
You just might create new case law if a cop stops you.
Posted by: GWB
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Read your state's laws first. You might also want to make sure you have your ATF stamp and form when you do.
You just might create new case law if a cop stops you.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:06 PM (ctrM5)
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156 S&W offered, for a short period of time, the Model 50 IIRC. This was a model 36 with the three T's (target sights, trigger, and hammer) scaled down to the J frame with a square butt. I bet a person could do some pretty good shooting with that little guy.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 23, 2025 09:07 PM (gm9Sb)
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135, 147, yes, this; grips are everything for a snubbie; try different styles because everyone's hand is different. (!)
my favorite is a hogue-knockoff banana-style w/ finger grooves, ymmv
my favorite is a hogue-knockoff banana-style w/ finger grooves, ymmv
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 23, 2025 09:08 PM (/Ghsb)
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Slow night and I need to get ready for a meeting in the morning, so all y'all can make this an open thread if you like. See you next Sunday!
Posted by: Weasel at March 23, 2025 08:49 PM (4t+0i)
Nobody in their right mind is interested in an open thread on a Sunday night
Posted by: Weasel at March 23, 2025 08:49 PM (4t+0i)
Nobody in their right mind is interested in an open thread on a Sunday night
Posted by: Doof at March 23, 2025 09:08 PM (RFPHU)
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Democrat perfidy? Say it ain't so!
Bernie Sanders and AOC are claiming 34,000 attendees at their Denver "rally". The Denver newspapers reported 30,000. The GPS device count was 20,189 devices.
84% of the devices present had attended 9 or more Kamala Harris rallies, antifa/BLM, pro-Hamas, etc.
Bernie Sanders and AOC are claiming 34,000 attendees at their Denver "rally". The Denver newspapers reported 30,000. The GPS device count was 20,189 devices.
84% of the devices present had attended 9 or more Kamala Harris rallies, antifa/BLM, pro-Hamas, etc.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 09:08 PM (a3Q+t)
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Ed L. Is talking about the Sig but he also brought his MP5 and we got some giggle switch time.
He had 200 rds loaded for it.
At full cyclic rate that is about 19 seconds worth.
He had 200 rds loaded for it.
At full cyclic rate that is about 19 seconds worth.
Posted by: President Trump at March 23, 2025 09:09 PM (QfvaV)
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Ed L will have to remind me but I think we figured out he has #8 front and rear and if he puts a #6 on the front which is lower that means the front of the pistol has to come up a bit.
Posted by: President Trump
I had forgotten Sig sights did that which I have a couple of Sigs with night sights and should remember. But yes, you can 'adjust' via different sights or you can 'adjust' via different ammo loads. If it came from the factory like that, it was regulated for a certain load. The manual or a quick call/email/DM to Sig customer service will probably let you know quickly.
Posted by: President Trump
I had forgotten Sig sights did that which I have a couple of Sigs with night sights and should remember. But yes, you can 'adjust' via different sights or you can 'adjust' via different ammo loads. If it came from the factory like that, it was regulated for a certain load. The manual or a quick call/email/DM to Sig customer service will probably let you know quickly.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:09 PM (ctrM5)
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79 MAE...the double nickel! Happy early Birfday!
Posted by: haffhowershower at March 23, 2025 08:01 PM (NMT5x)
Thankee
Posted by: haffhowershower at March 23, 2025 08:01 PM (NMT5x)
Thankee
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 23, 2025 09:09 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: blaster at March 23, 2025 09:11 PM (QfvaV)
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"it seemed like a good idea at the time ... "
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 23, 2025 09:11 PM (/Ghsb)
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... whenever that might have been ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 23, 2025 09:12 PM (/Ghsb)
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During one of their many, many firearms changes, the FBI had a K frame, 3" barrel, with a "banana" grip, simply a beefed up S&W round butt. This wasn't in service long as their painful (9mm to .40 and back to 9mm) switch to autos came about. Really nice handling revolver, enough weight to soak up some recoil, and concealable.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 23, 2025 08:59 PM
The Model 66 w/3" barrel is one of my favorite and prized revolvers. The Customs Service issued them, and then years later they made a run for the public.
I've often thought about getting a smith to put a 3" barrel on a 642.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at March 23, 2025 08:59 PM
The Model 66 w/3" barrel is one of my favorite and prized revolvers. The Customs Service issued them, and then years later they made a run for the public.
I've often thought about getting a smith to put a 3" barrel on a 642.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 09:12 PM (a3Q+t)
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159 145 BTW, is it feasible to carry a .32 ACP with silencer in a shoulder rig?
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 08:53 PM (QoQrd)
Yeah, but it's going to have a long overall length. If you can conceal a 6" S&W 29, you can conceal a suppressed .32.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 23, 2025 09:03 PM
Stupid question. (But that has never stopped me before.)
How quickly can you attach the silencer?
Can you carry your pistol in your favorite carry position, and deploy it immediately in an emergency situation? Alternatively, could you pull your pistol in an emergency situation where you NEED to be suppressed and take the five extra seconds to attach the suppressor?
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 08:53 PM (QoQrd)
Yeah, but it's going to have a long overall length. If you can conceal a 6" S&W 29, you can conceal a suppressed .32.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 23, 2025 09:03 PM
Stupid question. (But that has never stopped me before.)
How quickly can you attach the silencer?
Can you carry your pistol in your favorite carry position, and deploy it immediately in an emergency situation? Alternatively, could you pull your pistol in an emergency situation where you NEED to be suppressed and take the five extra seconds to attach the suppressor?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:12 PM (Q4Dc6)
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Open Thread!
Oh, good.If anyone wants to see the accuracy test on my 5 year old Ruger Predator 6.5 Creedmoor, after over 3,000 rounds, you can zip on over to my newish blog.
Link Under Nic. “LUN”
Oh, good.If anyone wants to see the accuracy test on my 5 year old Ruger Predator 6.5 Creedmoor, after over 3,000 rounds, you can zip on over to my newish blog.
Link Under Nic. “LUN”
Posted by: RI Red at March 23, 2025 09:13 PM (MMlKO)
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But, due to recoil and short sight length, most people cannot shoot them nearly as well.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:02 PM (ctrM5)
But Highway Patrol shows that some people (trained highway patrol actors!) CAN shoot them really well at 30+ yards! I think it's because they add their "throw" to the bullet speed when they shoot it.
Is that a lost fundamental, Weasel?
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:02 PM (ctrM5)
But Highway Patrol shows that some people (trained highway patrol actors!) CAN shoot them really well at 30+ yards! I think it's because they add their "throw" to the bullet speed when they shoot it.
Is that a lost fundamental, Weasel?
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 09:14 PM (mot4u)
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Posted by: Doof at March 23, 2025 09:08 PM
We really need to get Pixy to allow extended ASCII characters in the Name field, so that your name can be properly shown correctly spelled, Doöf.
We really need to get Pixy to allow extended ASCII characters in the Name field, so that your name can be properly shown correctly spelled, Doöf.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 09:15 PM (a3Q+t)
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166 156 S&W offered, for a short period of time, the Model 50 IIRC. This was a model 36 with the three T's (target sights, trigger, and hammer) scaled down to the J frame with a square butt. I bet a person could do some pretty good shooting with that little guy.
Posted by: bill in arkansas
Smith aficionados argue about the various hammer spurs as to which is better for single action shooting. Doesn't matter much to me as I always shoot revolvers double action unless testing the single action function and that is also why I never bought any single action revolver. If you carry a double action revolver for self defense, you never want to cock it accidentally from force of habit. Plus, if you do not fire a cocked revolver, it is a pita and somewhat of a safety risk to decock it.
Jim Cirrillo of the NYPD recalled in a memoir, he ran into one guy that had tied something around the cocked hammer to keep it from going off. He was carrying this pistol like that on patrol for something like weeks after he cocked it one time and did not know how to safely decock it. There is a reason that cops went to DAO only on revolvers before the Glocks came in.
Posted by: bill in arkansas
Smith aficionados argue about the various hammer spurs as to which is better for single action shooting. Doesn't matter much to me as I always shoot revolvers double action unless testing the single action function and that is also why I never bought any single action revolver. If you carry a double action revolver for self defense, you never want to cock it accidentally from force of habit. Plus, if you do not fire a cocked revolver, it is a pita and somewhat of a safety risk to decock it.
Jim Cirrillo of the NYPD recalled in a memoir, he ran into one guy that had tied something around the cocked hammer to keep it from going off. He was carrying this pistol like that on patrol for something like weeks after he cocked it one time and did not know how to safely decock it. There is a reason that cops went to DAO only on revolvers before the Glocks came in.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:15 PM (ctrM5)
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o, and loads for the J-frame? straight 158 rnl
I have some 158 rn fmj that I use for my loose-in-pocket reloads &etc.
I have some 158 rn fmj that I use for my loose-in-pocket reloads &etc.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 23, 2025 09:16 PM (/Ghsb)
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Moar Prayers Up, for friend, Eromero.
Alas, they've not entubinated me as yet, and when they do, it'll be through the side and directly into the stomach. No nasal/oral tube, so I'll also be able to eat (some) and drink (some), as normal.
I'll be at VA Hosp (Houston) tomorrow, final fitting for PanzerChair, six-wheeled power wheelchair.
I'm still kinda walking now, but fatigue factor makes that the Fifty Yard Wobble. And I don't wanna piss Weasel off with THAT!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Alas, they've not entubinated me as yet, and when they do, it'll be through the side and directly into the stomach. No nasal/oral tube, so I'll also be able to eat (some) and drink (some), as normal.
I'll be at VA Hosp (Houston) tomorrow, final fitting for PanzerChair, six-wheeled power wheelchair.
I'm still kinda walking now, but fatigue factor makes that the Fifty Yard Wobble. And I don't wanna piss Weasel off with THAT!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at March 23, 2025 09:17 PM (Xo+UM)
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Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at March 23, 2025 09:17 PM (Xo+UM)
Good to see you, sir! Prayers for your continued comfort.
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at March 23, 2025 09:17 PM (Xo+UM)
Good to see you, sir! Prayers for your continued comfort.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at March 23, 2025 09:17 PM (v23vE)
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just so you know, prayin' for you too, Jim
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 23, 2025 09:18 PM (/Ghsb)
Posted by: Doof at March 23, 2025 09:18 PM (RFPHU)
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Smith aficionados argue
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:15 PM
There is iron in the words of whig for all Gun Thread commenters to see.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:15 PM
There is iron in the words of whig for all Gun Thread commenters to see.
Posted by: Duncanthrax Ten Bears at March 23, 2025 09:18 PM (a3Q+t)
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You just might create new case law if a cop stops you.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:06 PM (ctrM5)
Heh. Might be a point for the "The older I get, the less deterrence a 'life sentence is" joke.
But you're right about checking the law. I'm wondering about the feasibility of a silenced weapon in a holster.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:06 PM (ctrM5)
Heh. Might be a point for the "The older I get, the less deterrence a 'life sentence is" joke.
But you're right about checking the law. I'm wondering about the feasibility of a silenced weapon in a holster.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 09:19 PM (mot4u)
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Semi-related. Does anyone have a link to watch Isar Aerospace's first test launch, scheduled for 5:30 AM in the morning? German firm, Norwegian launch site.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 09:19 PM (VNX3d)
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Thumbs up, Jim SND.
Posted by: RI Red at March 23, 2025 09:19 PM (MMlKO)
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Question for the Horde:
Daughter has a Heritage revolver in 22lr with the 6.5" barrel as her training pistol. We have only shot it outside, but she did an indoor range day last weekend, and had trouble seeing the sights well.
It is just a black "blade" for the front sight, and a black "U" channel above the cylinder for the rear sight.
Should I try putting some White-Out on the front blade for better visibility? Any better suggestions?
Daughter has a Heritage revolver in 22lr with the 6.5" barrel as her training pistol. We have only shot it outside, but she did an indoor range day last weekend, and had trouble seeing the sights well.
It is just a black "blade" for the front sight, and a black "U" channel above the cylinder for the rear sight.
Should I try putting some White-Out on the front blade for better visibility? Any better suggestions?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:20 PM (Q4Dc6)
Posted by: Duncanthrax Ten Bears at March 23, 2025 09:20 PM (a3Q+t)
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A fight, here? Would that be a *gun* fight?
A fight, here? Would that be a *gun* fight?
Posted by: haffhowershower at March 23, 2025 09:20 PM (NMT5x)
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But Highway Patrol shows that some people (trained highway patrol actors!) CAN shoot them really well at 30+ yards! I think it's because they add their "throw" to the bullet speed when they shoot it.
Is that a lost fundamental, Weasel?
Posted by: GWB
If you must, you can shoot a snubbie at a long distance but it definitely takes a lot of range work to do it. Repeating it in an emergency is not something you want to count upon. At greater than 20 yards or something, unless they have a long rifle or a shotgun, it is better to escape and evade anyway.
I spent enough time with my model 60 as to be able to trigger cock it but I don't recommend doing that as it can mess up your defense stroke. Simple manual of arms for any firearm is better unless you are willing to put the time in training.
I can't right now so simpler is better, I don't carry DA/SA anymore, no classic Sigs with decockers, no Browning HP, and so on. I carry either a revolver, a Springfield XD, or a Smith and Wesson 3rd Generation DAO only. All have basically one trigger stroke to manage and only slide locks/magazines to operate on the XD and 3rd Gen along with slide manipulation.
All are factory.
Is that a lost fundamental, Weasel?
Posted by: GWB
If you must, you can shoot a snubbie at a long distance but it definitely takes a lot of range work to do it. Repeating it in an emergency is not something you want to count upon. At greater than 20 yards or something, unless they have a long rifle or a shotgun, it is better to escape and evade anyway.
I spent enough time with my model 60 as to be able to trigger cock it but I don't recommend doing that as it can mess up your defense stroke. Simple manual of arms for any firearm is better unless you are willing to put the time in training.
I can't right now so simpler is better, I don't carry DA/SA anymore, no classic Sigs with decockers, no Browning HP, and so on. I carry either a revolver, a Springfield XD, or a Smith and Wesson 3rd Generation DAO only. All have basically one trigger stroke to manage and only slide locks/magazines to operate on the XD and 3rd Gen along with slide manipulation.
All are factory.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:21 PM (ctrM5)
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JimSND, what weapon is on your new PanzerChair? Machine Guns (I), 20mm(II), 50mm AT(III), 75mm (III/IV), 75mm AT (IV/V), or 88mm (VI)?
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 09:22 PM (VNX3d)
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Should I try putting some White-Out on the front blade for better visibility? Any better suggestions?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:20 PM
Try it and see!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:20 PM
Try it and see!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 09:23 PM (a3Q+t)
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PI, I put DayGlo yellow paint on both the front and rear sights of my GI model 1911.
Likewise, the minimal sights on my Ruger LCP have glossy white fingernail polish on them.
Likewise, the minimal sights on my Ruger LCP have glossy white fingernail polish on them.
Posted by: RI Red at March 23, 2025 09:23 PM (MMlKO)
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Sorry to go OT on your thread, Weasel.
Linked over at Insty:
Protests in Turkey
https://tinyurl.com/y26wbvc4
My first thought is: 'How much was USAID propping up?'
Linked over at Insty:
Protests in Turkey
https://tinyurl.com/y26wbvc4
My first thought is: 'How much was USAID propping up?'
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 23, 2025 09:25 PM (bss/y)
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There is iron in the words of whig for all Gun Thread commenters to see.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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That and hot air but I like to talk about firearms. I do know my limits though. Collectibles, I leave to Ed L. You are superior in revolver knowledge Duncanthrax as my revolvers start at 357 and lower. And I have little to anything to add about smgs or a lot of Uncle Sam's bigger toys that others here have dealt with on business terms.
Weasel is superior at teaching fundamentals, and long distance shooting, etc.
I like this forum because so many people have valuable expertise to add.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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That and hot air but I like to talk about firearms. I do know my limits though. Collectibles, I leave to Ed L. You are superior in revolver knowledge Duncanthrax as my revolvers start at 357 and lower. And I have little to anything to add about smgs or a lot of Uncle Sam's bigger toys that others here have dealt with on business terms.
Weasel is superior at teaching fundamentals, and long distance shooting, etc.
I like this forum because so many people have valuable expertise to add.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:25 PM (ctrM5)
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Seriously, try it. If it helps, it's easy to clean off, and replace with something more permanent like nail polish or enamel. Red nail polish is used alot for that sort of thing.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 09:26 PM (a3Q+t)
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165 159 145 BTW, is it feasible to carry a .32 ACP with silencer in a shoulder rig?
Posted by: GWB
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Read your state's laws first. You might also want to make sure you have your ATF stamp and form when you do.
You just might create new case law if a cop stops you.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:06 PM (ctrM5
Tru dat.
Posted by: GWB
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Read your state's laws first. You might also want to make sure you have your ATF stamp and form when you do.
You just might create new case law if a cop stops you.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:06 PM (ctrM5
Tru dat.
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 09:26 PM (jgmnb)
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Can you carry your pistol in your favorite carry position, and deploy it immediately in an emergency situation?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:12 PM (Q4Dc6)
Yep, that's the question. I was looking for naysayers to say something about getting the silencer hung up or equivalent barrel length (as MAE mentioned). I was thinking I would need a custom holster (shoulder, vertical carry) to allow for the length. And, the strength at the attachment point of the suppressed.
Y'all have all mentioned excellent things to consider. (That's why I asked the question here.
)
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:12 PM (Q4Dc6)
Yep, that's the question. I was looking for naysayers to say something about getting the silencer hung up or equivalent barrel length (as MAE mentioned). I was thinking I would need a custom holster (shoulder, vertical carry) to allow for the length. And, the strength at the attachment point of the suppressed.
Y'all have all mentioned excellent things to consider. (That's why I asked the question here.
)Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 09:27 PM (dq17A)
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Howdy Jim!
My youngest daughter has had a feeding tube for several years. It has been a great system for her, and she could still get nutrition in - even when she felt like sh*t. Which is very valuable when your body is already fighting other medical issues!
Once she got over being self-conscious, she would put the pump in a back-pack and do feedings during class at high school.
Weasel has my cell# if you ever want to call me if you have any questions on that system. I have quite a bit of experience as her "tech support".
My youngest daughter has had a feeding tube for several years. It has been a great system for her, and she could still get nutrition in - even when she felt like sh*t. Which is very valuable when your body is already fighting other medical issues!
Once she got over being self-conscious, she would put the pump in a back-pack and do feedings during class at high school.
Weasel has my cell# if you ever want to call me if you have any questions on that system. I have quite a bit of experience as her "tech support".
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:27 PM (Q4Dc6)
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I'm not going to make superfluous comments if you guys are not going to pay attention.
Posted by: fd at March 23, 2025 09:28 PM (vFG9F)
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like this forum because so many people have valuable expertise to add.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:25 PM
And your varied and extensive expertise is valued by all of us!
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:25 PM
And your varied and extensive expertise is valued by all of us!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 09:28 PM (a3Q+t)
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189 Semi-related. Does anyone have a link to watch Isar Aerospace's first test launch, scheduled for 5:30 AM in the morning? German firm, Norwegian launch site.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 09:19 PM
Have you tried Bob at NSA?
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 09:19 PM
Have you tried Bob at NSA?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:28 PM (Q4Dc6)
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For some reason, I remember seeing someone use watermelons as targets. R Lee Ermey in Mail Call?
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf
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Was it the one where he was trying to shoot the watermelons while riding a horse? I think he was using a revolver. He was unsuccessful. I miss Ermey. Funny guy. Looked like he'd be fun to hang out with. Mail Call was a fine show. Still on. Watch it at work. It's on the Military Channel so DoD approved.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf
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Was it the one where he was trying to shoot the watermelons while riding a horse? I think he was using a revolver. He was unsuccessful. I miss Ermey. Funny guy. Looked like he'd be fun to hang out with. Mail Call was a fine show. Still on. Watch it at work. It's on the Military Channel so DoD approved.
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at March 23, 2025 09:29 PM (sAmhv)
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196 Should I try putting some White-Out on the front blade for better visibility? Any better suggestions?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:20 PM
Try it and see!
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Pillage, I've used White Out for years on sights. In the range bag for use to make old white three dot sights come alive again or to coat the top of a ramped sight.
Nasty bright colored nail polish (the cheap enamel crap at Wally world) also works but get some nail polish remover and clean/degrease before application. Easily removed the same way.
If you need it, you can make poor man's night sights with phosphorescent paint. Shine a light on the sights for a time, it glows afterwards for a bit. TruGlo Paint Ghost Glow kit is cheap and it does work.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:20 PM
Try it and see!
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Pillage, I've used White Out for years on sights. In the range bag for use to make old white three dot sights come alive again or to coat the top of a ramped sight.
Nasty bright colored nail polish (the cheap enamel crap at Wally world) also works but get some nail polish remover and clean/degrease before application. Easily removed the same way.
If you need it, you can make poor man's night sights with phosphorescent paint. Shine a light on the sights for a time, it glows afterwards for a bit. TruGlo Paint Ghost Glow kit is cheap and it does work.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:29 PM (ctrM5)
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206 189 Semi-related. Does anyone have a link to watch Isar Aerospace's first test launch, scheduled for 5:30 AM in the morning? German firm, Norwegian launch site.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 09:19 PM
Have you tried Bob at NSA?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:28 PM (Q4Dc6)
Since he's always here, I figured a general question would get to him.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 09:19 PM
Have you tried Bob at NSA?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:28 PM (Q4Dc6)
Since he's always here, I figured a general question would get to him.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 09:30 PM (VNX3d)
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Hmmm. So in Sig world a #6 front sight is taller than #8. And a #6 rear sight is lower than a #8.
And the recommendations - FROM SIG - seem inconsistent. And depend on caliber. So theoretically a 9mm P229 should be 8 front and rear. Or maybe not.
And the general rule is as number goes up your group goes up. So that would mean the gun needs more than #8 to lift the groups up.
But also they are zeroed for 25 yards. And there is a chart for what size sight to adjust what amount of elevation.
And the recommendations - FROM SIG - seem inconsistent. And depend on caliber. So theoretically a 9mm P229 should be 8 front and rear. Or maybe not.
And the general rule is as number goes up your group goes up. So that would mean the gun needs more than #8 to lift the groups up.
But also they are zeroed for 25 yards. And there is a chart for what size sight to adjust what amount of elevation.
Posted by: blaster at March 23, 2025 09:31 PM (QfvaV)
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I'm not going to make superfluous comments if you guys are not going to pay attention.
Posted by: fd at March 23, 2025 09:28 PM
What makes you think we're not, wait, did'ja y'all hear about that scarecrow that won that big award because he was outstanding in his field?
Posted by: fd at March 23, 2025 09:28 PM
What makes you think we're not, wait, did'ja y'all hear about that scarecrow that won that big award because he was outstanding in his field?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 09:31 PM (a3Q+t)
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With this Tesla nonsense, I've thought about Castle Doctrine in TX as regards my car. I do not drive a Tesla, but always carry when I drive. Should some numbskull block my egress and begin banging on my car window, I would feel justified in defending myself.
Posted by: ScaryMary at March 23, 2025 09:31 PM (wX56x)
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TruGlo Paint Ghost Glow kit is cheap and it does work.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:29 PM (ctrM5)
Yup, that’s the brand I put on the 1911.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:29 PM (ctrM5)
Yup, that’s the brand I put on the 1911.
Posted by: RI Red at March 23, 2025 09:31 PM (MMlKO)
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I like this forum because so many people have valuable expertise to add.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:25 PM (ctrM5)
Amen to that!
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:25 PM (ctrM5)
Amen to that!
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 09:32 PM (J9Mm6)
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187, 188, truth!
If I was gonna try that I would look for a front-break spring holster (as they were called in the Before Time) ; I think McGarret in Hawaii 5-0 carried his magnum in one of them. too long for a straight-pull-up style, or a horizontal under arm style.
this was designed for a pull-out-and-downwards draw suited to a long barrelled pistol under the coat.
If I was gonna try that I would look for a front-break spring holster (as they were called in the Before Time) ; I think McGarret in Hawaii 5-0 carried his magnum in one of them. too long for a straight-pull-up style, or a horizontal under arm style.
this was designed for a pull-out-and-downwards draw suited to a long barrelled pistol under the coat.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 23, 2025 09:33 PM (/Ghsb)
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Thanks!
Will start with the easily removable White-Out on the front sight.
If she likes that sight picture better, we will move up to a more durable material.
P.S. I may be way behind most of The Horde on firearms owned, or ammo rounds in storage. However, with three daughters, I may hold the current record for most bottles of nail polish in the home!
Will start with the easily removable White-Out on the front sight.
If she likes that sight picture better, we will move up to a more durable material.
P.S. I may be way behind most of The Horde on firearms owned, or ammo rounds in storage. However, with three daughters, I may hold the current record for most bottles of nail polish in the home!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:34 PM (Q4Dc6)
Posted by: blaster at March 23, 2025 09:35 PM (QfvaV)
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Thanks!
Will start with the easily removable White-Out on the front sight.
If she likes that sight picture better, we will move up to a more durable material.
P.S. I may be way behind most of The Horde on firearms owned, or ammo rounds in storage. However, with three daughters, I may hold the current record for most bottles of nail polish in the home!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:34 PM (Q4Dc6)
In an assortment of colors, I'm sure! If it works, it may take a while before they choose the best color that works with most of their clothes.
Will start with the easily removable White-Out on the front sight.
If she likes that sight picture better, we will move up to a more durable material.
P.S. I may be way behind most of The Horde on firearms owned, or ammo rounds in storage. However, with three daughters, I may hold the current record for most bottles of nail polish in the home!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:34 PM (Q4Dc6)
In an assortment of colors, I'm sure! If it works, it may take a while before they choose the best color that works with most of their clothes.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 09:36 PM (VNX3d)
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212 With this Tesla nonsense, I've thought about Castle Doctrine in TX as regards my car. I do not drive a Tesla, but always carry when I drive. Should some numbskull block my egress and begin banging on my car window, I would feel justified in defending myself.
Posted by: ScaryMary
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It gets weird when a person is trapped in a car and you can end up being on TV and in court like that poor guy caught in a leftie temper tantrum in Austin around the George Floyd unpleasantness. He got convicted even though the other lefties were carrying firearms openly. Had to get a pardon to get out of it because the Austin jury and prosecutor sided with the lefty slimebag.
Best advice I can say is stay out of blue urban shitholes and if you must go, make sure no stupid protests du jour are going on. Regarding self defense, the totality of the circumstances apply and there is always the fact that you have the means to keep going or reversing in most cases.
Posted by: ScaryMary
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It gets weird when a person is trapped in a car and you can end up being on TV and in court like that poor guy caught in a leftie temper tantrum in Austin around the George Floyd unpleasantness. He got convicted even though the other lefties were carrying firearms openly. Had to get a pardon to get out of it because the Austin jury and prosecutor sided with the lefty slimebag.
Best advice I can say is stay out of blue urban shitholes and if you must go, make sure no stupid protests du jour are going on. Regarding self defense, the totality of the circumstances apply and there is always the fact that you have the means to keep going or reversing in most cases.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:36 PM (ctrM5)
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I may be way behind most of The Horde on firearms owned, or ammo rounds in storage.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:34 PM
Given modern technology, that is easily curable, you know.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:34 PM
Given modern technology, that is easily curable, you know.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 09:37 PM (a3Q+t)
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Should I try putting some White-Out on the front blade for better visibility? Any better suggestions?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:20 PM
My late wife left a lot of bottles of nail polish that I never got rid of after she passed away. I use one of her Hot Pinks on the front sight of my M1 carbine.
I think she'd approve.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:20 PM
My late wife left a lot of bottles of nail polish that I never got rid of after she passed away. I use one of her Hot Pinks on the front sight of my M1 carbine.
I think she'd approve.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 23, 2025 09:37 PM (Hdixl)
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P.S. I may be way behind most of The Horde on firearms owned, or ammo rounds in storage. However, with three daughters, I may hold the current record for most bottles of nail polish in the home!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
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Cheap nail polish works fine, don't use their Clinique or simply high priced nail polish without their permission. The cheap stuff is enamel but some of the expensive stuff can be a pita to remove as it is more like polyurethane or something like that.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
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Cheap nail polish works fine, don't use their Clinique or simply high priced nail polish without their permission. The cheap stuff is enamel but some of the expensive stuff can be a pita to remove as it is more like polyurethane or something like that.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:38 PM (ctrM5)
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Continued prayers and love headed your way, JSND.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 23, 2025 09:38 PM (mH6SG)
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My late wife left a lot of bottles of nail polish that I never got rid of after she passed away. I use one of her Hot Pinks on the front sight of my M1 carbine.
I think she'd approve.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 23, 2025 09:37 PM
Yep.
Go have a range day, and have a reminder of your wife right there on your front sight!
I think she'd approve.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 23, 2025 09:37 PM
Yep.
Go have a range day, and have a reminder of your wife right there on your front sight!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 23, 2025 09:40 PM (Q4Dc6)
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215 187, 188, truth!
If I was gonna try that I would look for a front-break spring holster (as they were called in the Before Time) ; I think McGarret in Hawaii 5-0 carried his magnum in one of them. too long for a straight-pull-up style, or a horizontal under arm style.
this was designed for a pull-out-and-downwards draw suited to a long barrelled pistol under the coat.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez
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I have picked up vintage holsters in good condition from Ebay. Quite a few there and not that expensive in many cases if you aren't seeking collector grade.
If I was gonna try that I would look for a front-break spring holster (as they were called in the Before Time) ; I think McGarret in Hawaii 5-0 carried his magnum in one of them. too long for a straight-pull-up style, or a horizontal under arm style.
this was designed for a pull-out-and-downwards draw suited to a long barrelled pistol under the coat.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez
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I have picked up vintage holsters in good condition from Ebay. Quite a few there and not that expensive in many cases if you aren't seeking collector grade.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:40 PM (ctrM5)
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If we can pick up another 40 comments or so in the next 18 or so minutes, we can surprise Weasel with no 0700 hrs Zoom call from Ace.
Heck, we might get more FSJ and Gertie videos in gratitude!
Heck, we might get more FSJ and Gertie videos in gratitude!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 09:40 PM (a3Q+t)
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Whig, I am Austin-adjacent and know exactly the poor guy you are referring to. Daniel Perry. I go to Austin only as necessary for medical appointments. Out here in red-state TX, I think I would be safe to shoot, if it came to that.
Posted by: ScaryMary at March 23, 2025 09:40 PM (wX56x)
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Y'all have a great night.
Posted by: GWB at March 23, 2025 09:40 PM (J9Mm6)
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224 My late wife left a lot of bottles of nail polish that I never got rid of after she passed away. I use one of her Hot Pinks on the front sight of my M1 carbine.
I think she'd approve.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 23, 2025 09:37 PM
Yep.
Go have a range day, and have a reminder of your wife right there on your front sight!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
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Good memorial.
I think she'd approve.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 23, 2025 09:37 PM
Yep.
Go have a range day, and have a reminder of your wife right there on your front sight!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
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Good memorial.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:40 PM (ctrM5)
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227 Whig, I am Austin-adjacent and know exactly the poor guy you are referring to. Daniel Perry. I go to Austin only as necessary for medical appointments. Out here in red-state TX, I think I would be safe to shoot, if it came to that.
Posted by: ScaryMary
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Possibly and some states have changed laws for the better like Florida in specific on that issue. But in many cases, it is almost always better to drive out of it than shoot it out. The best gun fight is one you never had.
Posted by: ScaryMary
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Possibly and some states have changed laws for the better like Florida in specific on that issue. But in many cases, it is almost always better to drive out of it than shoot it out. The best gun fight is one you never had.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:42 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:42 PM (ctrM5)
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Read your state's laws first. You might also want to make sure you have your ATF stamp and form when you do.
Tell them you are a double naught spy with a license to kill.
Read your state's laws first. You might also want to make sure you have your ATF stamp and form when you do.
Tell them you are a double naught spy with a license to kill.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 23, 2025 09:43 PM (63Dwl)
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Might be worth checking on poster ub5th.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 09:43 PM (VNX3d)
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True, Whig. I do not want trouble and do not seek it out.
Posted by: ScaryMary at March 23, 2025 09:44 PM (wX56x)
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217 Article on Sig sight numbers
http://alturl.com/pmyur
Posted by: blaster
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Nice. For the money, Sig sights were an incredible deal compared with trijjicons or Meprolights.
http://alturl.com/pmyur
Posted by: blaster
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Nice. For the money, Sig sights were an incredible deal compared with trijjicons or Meprolights.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:45 PM (ctrM5)
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183 Moar Prayers Up, for friend, Eromero.
Alas, they've not entubinated me as yet, and when they do, it'll be through the side and directly into the stomach. No nasal/oral tube, so I'll also be able to eat (some) and drink (some), as normal.
I'll be at VA Hosp (Houston) tomorrow, final fitting for PanzerChair, six-wheeled power wheelchair.
I'm still kinda walking now, but fatigue factor makes that the Fifty Yard Wobble. And I don't wanna piss Weasel off with THAT!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at March 23, 2025 09:17 PM (Xo+UM
Jim! I’m glad to see you! And I’m glad you’ll still be able to eat and drink.You know I had a stomach tube20 years ago, but this one is my ‘forever’ one, with no eating or drinking through the mouth. I’ll miss whiskey and water, and I just recently took a liking to icewater. But the bacon, and oysters, and bagels. Oy vey.
Alas, they've not entubinated me as yet, and when they do, it'll be through the side and directly into the stomach. No nasal/oral tube, so I'll also be able to eat (some) and drink (some), as normal.
I'll be at VA Hosp (Houston) tomorrow, final fitting for PanzerChair, six-wheeled power wheelchair.
I'm still kinda walking now, but fatigue factor makes that the Fifty Yard Wobble. And I don't wanna piss Weasel off with THAT!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at March 23, 2025 09:17 PM (Xo+UM
Jim! I’m glad to see you! And I’m glad you’ll still be able to eat and drink.You know I had a stomach tube20 years ago, but this one is my ‘forever’ one, with no eating or drinking through the mouth. I’ll miss whiskey and water, and I just recently took a liking to icewater. But the bacon, and oysters, and bagels. Oy vey.
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2025 09:46 PM (jgmnb)
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Tell them you are a double naught spy with a license to kill.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
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Youtube fame when they show your arrest footage and your ride in the back.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
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Youtube fame when they show your arrest footage and your ride in the back.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:46 PM (ctrM5)
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234 Might be worth checking on poster ub5th.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 09:43 PM (VNX3d)
Yeah, too bad, that's a cool hash. You'd just need to come up with whatever "UB" stands for that has a 5th occurrence and it would be money!
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 09:43 PM (VNX3d)
Yeah, too bad, that's a cool hash. You'd just need to come up with whatever "UB" stands for that has a 5th occurrence and it would be money!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at March 23, 2025 09:47 PM (v23vE)
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Best wishes Jim SND. No need to reply at all.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:47 PM (ctrM5)
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Best wishes to Eromero and Jim SND.
Posted by: ScaryMary at March 23, 2025 09:48 PM (wX56x)
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234 True, Whig. I do not want trouble and do not seek it out.
Posted by: ScaryMary at March 23, 2025 09:44 PM (wX56x)
Same, ScaryMary. I saw that there was a Tesla protest going on near me this weekend, and thought about going just to stir the pot, but then I remembered the rule about not doing stupid things with stupid people in stupid places. That particular event would have been a three-fer.
Posted by: ScaryMary at March 23, 2025 09:44 PM (wX56x)
Same, ScaryMary. I saw that there was a Tesla protest going on near me this weekend, and thought about going just to stir the pot, but then I remembered the rule about not doing stupid things with stupid people in stupid places. That particular event would have been a three-fer.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at March 23, 2025 09:50 PM (v23vE)
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240 Best wishes to Eromero and Jim SND.
Posted by: ScaryMary at March 23, 2025 09:48 PM (wX56x)
This!!!
Posted by: ScaryMary at March 23, 2025 09:48 PM (wX56x)
This!!!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - THIS Year in Corsicana - again at March 23, 2025 09:50 PM (hOUT3)
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I forgot to include Eromero in my sentiments. God bless ya, amigo.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 23, 2025 09:50 PM (mH6SG)
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I would sort of echo that scarymary, kind of the same situation here in intensely rural WI ... and I do avoid the larger cities!
("large city" around here has 5 digit population and 1 or more actual traffic signal, and that's enough for me lol)
("large city" around here has 5 digit population and 1 or more actual traffic signal, and that's enough for me lol)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 23, 2025 09:51 PM (/Ghsb)
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234 True, Whig. I do not want trouble and do not seek it out.
Posted by: ScaryMary
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A cheap and free resource is the Armed Citizen's Legal Defense Network. They have a journal from 2008-2025 which is free to access. This organization has top trainers and lawyers with video and q/a in articles. More if you join but that is up to you. armedcitizensnetwork dot org
Another free resource is Rangemaster (aka Tom Givins--who is a traveling firearms trainer with his wife now). Former deputy in Shelby County (Memphis) on the drug entry squads and more.
Free monthly newsletters to download.
Posted by: ScaryMary
=====
A cheap and free resource is the Armed Citizen's Legal Defense Network. They have a journal from 2008-2025 which is free to access. This organization has top trainers and lawyers with video and q/a in articles. More if you join but that is up to you. armedcitizensnetwork dot org
Another free resource is Rangemaster (aka Tom Givins--who is a traveling firearms trainer with his wife now). Former deputy in Shelby County (Memphis) on the drug entry squads and more.
Free monthly newsletters to download.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:51 PM (ctrM5)
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241 234 True, Whig. I do not want trouble and do not seek it out.
Posted by: ScaryMary at March 23, 2025 09:44 PM (wX56x)
Same, ScaryMary. I saw that there was a Tesla protest going on near me this weekend, and thought about going just to stir the pot, but then I remembered the rule about not doing stupid things with stupid people in stupid places. That particular event would have been a three-fer.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at March 23, 2025 09:50 PM (v23vE)
The only thing that crossed my mind was get a skywriter to write someplace visible to the protest:
Protestors, your paychecks have bounced!
Posted by: ScaryMary at March 23, 2025 09:44 PM (wX56x)
Same, ScaryMary. I saw that there was a Tesla protest going on near me this weekend, and thought about going just to stir the pot, but then I remembered the rule about not doing stupid things with stupid people in stupid places. That particular event would have been a three-fer.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at March 23, 2025 09:50 PM (v23vE)
The only thing that crossed my mind was get a skywriter to write someplace visible to the protest:
Protestors, your paychecks have bounced!
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 09:52 PM (VNX3d)
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A zoom call with Ace! OK, here goes: Buy more ammo. Practice proper safety, handling and etiquette. Show up sober. Don't waste you money on 9mm +p+. You're welcome.
Posted by: Deplorable Minion at March 23, 2025 09:53 PM (QSrLX)
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Same, ScaryMary. I saw that there was a Tesla protest going on near me this weekend, and thought about going just to stir the pot, but then I remembered the rule about not doing stupid things with stupid people in stupid places. That particular event would have been a three-fer.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
John Farnam, another excellent firearms trainer, calls this as being the gray man and the stupid places, etc saying, is generally attributed to him as far as firearms go. Defense Training International and he has quips (more like quick learning anecdotes about current conditions, etc.) plus a bit of free resources on his page.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
John Farnam, another excellent firearms trainer, calls this as being the gray man and the stupid places, etc saying, is generally attributed to him as far as firearms go. Defense Training International and he has quips (more like quick learning anecdotes about current conditions, etc.) plus a bit of free resources on his page.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:54 PM (ctrM5)
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The only thing that crossed my mind was get a skywriter to write someplace visible to the protest:
Protestors, your paychecks have bounced!
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 09:52 PM (VNX3d)
It's hilarious that these same people would have chastised owners of gas-guzzlers a few years ago while touting the benefits of EVs. Now, the virtue signal is to oppose Tesla. Oh, how the turns have tabled!
Protestors, your paychecks have bounced!
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 23, 2025 09:52 PM (VNX3d)
It's hilarious that these same people would have chastised owners of gas-guzzlers a few years ago while touting the benefits of EVs. Now, the virtue signal is to oppose Tesla. Oh, how the turns have tabled!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at March 23, 2025 09:54 PM (v23vE)
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Whig, there was a case in my county recently. Guy shot and killed a dude that pulled up in his driveway at night. Shooter got probation. There had to be a lot more to the story, but I do not know it.
Posted by: ScaryMary at March 23, 2025 09:56 PM (wX56x)
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John Farnam, another excellent firearms trainer, calls this as being the gray man and the stupid places, etc saying, is generally attributed to him as far as firearms go. Defense Training International and he has quips (more like quick learning anecdotes about current conditions, etc.) plus a bit of free resources on his page.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:54 PM (ctrM5)
Thank you, whig. I will look him up. I don't recall where I first heard the Three Rules of Stupid, but they have served me well, and I have quoted them to my adult-adjacent offspring many times.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:54 PM (ctrM5)
Thank you, whig. I will look him up. I don't recall where I first heard the Three Rules of Stupid, but they have served me well, and I have quoted them to my adult-adjacent offspring many times.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at March 23, 2025 09:56 PM (v23vE)
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244 I would sort of echo that scarymary, kind of the same situation here in intensely rural WI ... and I do avoid the larger cities!
("large city" around here has 5 digit population and 1 or more actual traffic signal, and that's enough for me lol)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez
Well, given St. Kyle got his wings from a riot in Kenosha and the unpleasantness in Madison, it seems WI has some no so safe small cities as well. Pity, I spent time there from the military and as a military kid, my dad took a training at Green Bay. 1972 Green Bay in the Holidome right across from Lambeau field was a helluva treat to a young kid who loved watching the NFL.
("large city" around here has 5 digit population and 1 or more actual traffic signal, and that's enough for me lol)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez
Well, given St. Kyle got his wings from a riot in Kenosha and the unpleasantness in Madison, it seems WI has some no so safe small cities as well. Pity, I spent time there from the military and as a military kid, my dad took a training at Green Bay. 1972 Green Bay in the Holidome right across from Lambeau field was a helluva treat to a young kid who loved watching the NFL.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:57 PM (ctrM5)
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250 Whig, there was a case in my county recently. Guy shot and killed a dude that pulled up in his driveway at night. Shooter got probation. There had to be a lot more to the story, but I do not know it.
Posted by: ScaryMary
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Most likely there is. Probably prior history.
Posted by: ScaryMary
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Most likely there is. Probably prior history.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:59 PM (ctrM5)
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One more to keep Weasel Ace-rant free!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 09:59 PM (a3Q+t)
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done
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 23, 2025 10:00 PM (mH6SG)
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Well, given St. Kyle got his wings from a riot in Kenosha and the unpleasantness in Madison, it seems WI has some no so safe small cities as well. Pity, I spent time there from the military and as a military kid, my dad took a training at Green Bay. 1972 Green Bay in the Holidome right across from Lambeau field was a helluva treat to a young kid who loved watching the NFL.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:57 PM (ctrM5)
I'd widen that out to Holidomes in general. Any time we got to stay in a Holiday Inn that had one was a treat.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 09:57 PM (ctrM5)
I'd widen that out to Holidomes in general. Any time we got to stay in a Holiday Inn that had one was a treat.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at March 23, 2025 10:00 PM (v23vE)
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One more right here!
Posted by: RI Red at March 23, 2025 10:00 PM (MMlKO)
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Thank you, whig. I will look him up. I don't recall where I first heard the Three Rules of Stupid, but they have served me well, and I have quoted them to my adult-adjacent offspring many times.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
His quips are as vinegary as Col Cooper's were. Farnam is a Vietnam era officer and a scathing critique of military small arms training. Was a peace officer as well for a time. Old school guy that sees a place for M 1 Carbines and revolvers for example.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
His quips are as vinegary as Col Cooper's were. Farnam is a Vietnam era officer and a scathing critique of military small arms training. Was a peace officer as well for a time. Old school guy that sees a place for M 1 Carbines and revolvers for example.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 10:00 PM (ctrM5)
259
'bout that time, I guess.
Posted by: mindful webworker - misses holster, drops gun at March 23, 2025 10:01 PM (qMjwS)
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Same, ScaryMary. I saw that there was a Tesla protest going on near me this weekend, and thought about going just to stir the pot, but then I remembered the rule about not doing stupid things with stupid people in stupid places. That particular event would have been a three-fer.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
OTOH, it could have been lit!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
OTOH, it could have been lit!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 10:01 PM (a3Q+t)
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I'd widen that out to Holidomes in general. Any time we got to stay in a Holiday Inn that had one was a treat.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
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It was summer but I got to spend a lot of time at Lambeau field and in 1972, we went to bars/restaurants owned by legendary Packers like the Left Guard owned by Fuzzy Thurston I think.
Fond memories but never ask for margarine in Wisconsin!!!! Major faux pas.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
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It was summer but I got to spend a lot of time at Lambeau field and in 1972, we went to bars/restaurants owned by legendary Packers like the Left Guard owned by Fuzzy Thurston I think.
Fond memories but never ask for margarine in Wisconsin!!!! Major faux pas.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 10:02 PM (ctrM5)
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Good, although close-run, job!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 23, 2025 10:02 PM (a3Q+t)
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John Farnam's DTI website. Books are at Amazon and recommended. Especially useful is his zeroing discussion in his long arms book.
Quips and other stuff free at
defense-training dotcom
Quips and other stuff free at
defense-training dotcom
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 10:04 PM (ctrM5)
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Night folks.
Posted by: whig at March 23, 2025 10:04 PM (ctrM5)
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g'night, whig!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 23, 2025 10:10 PM (/Ghsb)
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by my standards, Kenosha is part of chicago / milwaukee metro area ... madison, of course stands in its own unique position ...
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