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THE MORNING RANT: Periodic Roundup of the EV Follies – 3/21/2025
The Biden administration awarded Canadian electric bus company Lion Electric nearly $160 million to manufacture hundreds of battery-powered buses for school districts nationwide as part of its sweeping climate agenda. In recent weeks, Lion has initiated bankruptcy proceedings, laid off all employees tasked with building its buses, and paused manufacturing operations.There are dozens of school districts across the country still waiting on delivery of their Lion EV school buses.
Lion's financial demise leaves dozens of school districts—including those in California, Montana, North Dakota, Iowa, Alabama, and Maryland—questioning whether they will receive the buses the Biden administration promised them. Lion has yet to deliver $95 million worth of electric buses to 55 districts across the country…The school districts that didn’t take delivery of Lion’s electric buses are actually the lucky ones. The school districts that got hurt the worst are the ones that took delivery of these barely operational abominations. School districts could get a free Lion electric bus through the Biden EPA’s “Clean School Bus Program” for each functioning diesel school bus they disposed of. Now those school districts are without the functioning buses they got rid of, while also stuck with inoperable Lion electric buses. “Maine’s Lion Electric school buses have been a disaster. What’s next?” [CentralMaine.com – 01/27/2025] This woman proudly standing (cackling?) in front of a Lion electric school bus is not the President of the United States, for reasons including her support of “venture socialist” boondoggles like the one that sent taxpayer dollars to Lion Electric for inoperable EV school buses.
President Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency began the process Wednesday of rescinding vehicle fuel efficiency standards that Republicans have called a de facto “electric vehicle mandate,” The Post has learned. An administration official said dozens of additional regulatory rollbacks loomed on what would be “the biggest day of deregulation in American history.”This is also why I voted for Trump… “The General Services Administration is shutting down its EV chargers, calling them ‘not mission critical’” [The Verge – 3/11/2025]
The General Services Administration (GSA), which manages buildings owned by the federal government, is planning to shut down all of its electric vehicle chargers nationwide, describing them as “not mission critical.” The agency, which manages contracts for the government’s vehicle fleets, is also looking to offload newly purchased EVs.All the “true conservatives” of Conservative, Inc. who were working to defeat Donald Trump were also therefore working to perpetuate the EV mandates and keep taxpayer subsidies flowing to the EV hustlers.
Mark Kelly Shows Off His New Gas-Guzzling Chevy Tahoe After Ditching Tesla Over Elon Musk https://t.co/CbrF2pN6e9
— Mediaite (@Mediaite) March 17, 2025
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Sponge!
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:00 AM (xnytv)
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First loser
Posted by: BifBewalski at March 21, 2025 11:00 AM (MsrgL)
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Corgis called
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:00 AM (xnytv)
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Wine powered bus?
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at March 21, 2025 11:01 AM (l4ac4)
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This is why I voted for Donald Trump…
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I voted for Trump because Project 2025 promised me that the government would force women to track their periods in an app.
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I voted for Trump because Project 2025 promised me that the government would force women to track their periods in an app.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:01 AM (GBKbO)
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I nood lum'd
Posted by: BifBewalski at March 21, 2025 11:01 AM (MsrgL)
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Burning Teslas & dealerships set back the "Green Initiative" 50 years.
You just proved it wasn't about saving the earf. It was all about control and virtue signaling.
You can kindly now go piss off.
You just proved it wasn't about saving the earf. It was all about control and virtue signaling.
You can kindly now go piss off.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:02 AM (xnytv)
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Tax dollars for companies, no matter how big, should be illegal and punishable by death.
Posted by: Stateless...63% - mental state clawing up from 10% at March 21, 2025 11:03 AM (jvJvP)
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I remember when the “news” told us all that the Lightening was the most popular vehicle ever to be made. Then the real world reviews came out.
Yet the ford CEO still has his job probably received some huge bonuses for killing ford.
Yet the ford CEO still has his job probably received some huge bonuses for killing ford.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at March 21, 2025 11:03 AM (17s+e)
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Has DOGE found the EV slush fund monies yet?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 21, 2025 11:03 AM (Q4IgG)
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I was at the Manassas Battlefield yesterday. There were a bunch of schoolkids there, and these really big and odd-looking school buses. I'm guessing the buses were electric.
Posted by: Bulg at March 21, 2025 11:03 AM (77rzZ)
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I like stories with happy endings
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2025 11:03 AM (fwDg9)
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Oh for crying out loud. I am so disappointed that ND was so stupid as to order electric busses. They get below 0F pretty regularly in the winter and oil is a big part of their revenue.
Posted by: PaleRider at March 21, 2025 11:05 AM (bP/i4)
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It's going be interesting what happens to all the real estate that Ford bought (with state subsidies) for their Lightning factory in Tennessee. And to see what happens with the battery manufacturer that is/was building right next to it.
Posted by: Bert G at March 21, 2025 11:05 AM (VARTN)
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I skimmed the content.
I was an early adopter on the 'EVs are a buncha crap' bandwagon.
If EVs actually looked cool maybe I'd be more interested, but they all look like total nerd cars. So they go in the same category as soccer and Apple products. Totally ghey.
I was an early adopter on the 'EVs are a buncha crap' bandwagon.
If EVs actually looked cool maybe I'd be more interested, but they all look like total nerd cars. So they go in the same category as soccer and Apple products. Totally ghey.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 21, 2025 11:06 AM (vOJ4/)
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:07 AM (gbOdA)
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"Venture Socialist"...I think I know what that is.
Posted by: BignJames at March 21, 2025 11:07 AM (Yj6Os)
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16 12:34 PM · Mar 16, 2025
The Day GloBull Warmering Ended.
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:07 AM (gbOdA)
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I thought that was election day 2008.
The Day GloBull Warmering Ended.
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:07 AM (gbOdA)
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I thought that was election day 2008.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:07 AM (GBKbO)
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Eventually Ford and the other manufacturers who jumped on the TV train will either jump off, or go bankrupt. It'll be interesting to see which.
If the latter, I hope parts for all the Ford trucks and sedans out there will continue to be available for a while. The F-150 truck should be okay, and maybe the Mustang. The Focus and Fusion could be another story.
(I miss nameplates like Falcon and Fairlane and Galaxie 500)
If the latter, I hope parts for all the Ford trucks and sedans out there will continue to be available for a while. The F-150 truck should be okay, and maybe the Mustang. The Focus and Fusion could be another story.
(I miss nameplates like Falcon and Fairlane and Galaxie 500)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 21, 2025 11:07 AM (J2vNu)
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If/when the subsidies for the auto makers, and I'm not specifically talking about the EV money they get/got, but if those run out or are suspended I think Ford might go under.
Would Trump bail them out? I wonder.
Would Trump bail them out? I wonder.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 21, 2025 11:08 AM (Q4IgG)
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Hey, Stacey Abrams has got a couple of billion to buy refrigerators, which she has yet to do, perhaps she could buy a couple of school busses for under-served communities?
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 21, 2025 11:08 AM (XV/Pl)
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MT and ND are lucky they didn't get delivered kiddie death traps. The districts might well have heated garages to where the buses would 'start' in the morning and then have die and strand everyone out on a rarely traveled road.
Posted by: PaleRider at March 21, 2025 11:08 AM (bP/i4)
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12 I like stories with happy endings
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2025 11:03 AM (fwDg9)
25 bux same as downtown
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2025 11:03 AM (fwDg9)
25 bux same as downtown
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:08 AM (gbOdA)
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I was an early adopter on the 'EVs are a buncha crap' bandwagon.
If EVs actually looked cool maybe I'd be more interested, but they all look like total nerd cars. So they go in the same category as soccer and Apple products. Totally ghey.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix
I'm more concerned with performance vs looks. If it's going to leave me stranded somewhere because IT ran out of juice, it's an automatic no go.
If EVs actually looked cool maybe I'd be more interested, but they all look like total nerd cars. So they go in the same category as soccer and Apple products. Totally ghey.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix
I'm more concerned with performance vs looks. If it's going to leave me stranded somewhere because IT ran out of juice, it's an automatic no go.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:08 AM (xnytv)
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I don't understand why all these libtards are using molotov cocktails to burn Teslas. I thought those lithium batteries exploded when they got wet, so couldn't they just toss a bucket of water on them, Wizard of Oz style, and get the same results?
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 21, 2025 11:09 AM (vOJ4/)
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I look at that pic of Kammie-Ha-Ha, and realized we didn't dodge just a bullet, but a howitzer shell.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 21, 2025 11:09 AM (J2vNu)
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Published 5:30 PM CDT, May 27, 2021
WASHINGTON (AP) — Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm has sold her ownership interest in an electric bus maker that President Joe Biden touted during a “virtual visit” last month.
A spokesman said Granholm sold her holdings in California-based Proterra Inc. this week, clearing a net gain of $1.6 million. The sale fulfills Granholm’s obligations under an ethics agreement three months before an August deadline, the Energy Department said.
Proterra died later that year.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm has sold her ownership interest in an electric bus maker that President Joe Biden touted during a “virtual visit” last month.
A spokesman said Granholm sold her holdings in California-based Proterra Inc. this week, clearing a net gain of $1.6 million. The sale fulfills Granholm’s obligations under an ethics agreement three months before an August deadline, the Energy Department said.
Proterra died later that year.
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:09 AM (gbOdA)
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The funny thing is that if we were all driving EVs, the introduction of internal combustion vehicles would revolutionize driving and provide a solution to so many problems inherent to EVs.
Wasn't it... already? I think the first cars were in fact electric. The tech wasn't there to make those cars go much faster (or more safely) than a horse and buggy, so the electric motorized four wheeled bicycle was fine.
Wasn't it... already? I think the first cars were in fact electric. The tech wasn't there to make those cars go much faster (or more safely) than a horse and buggy, so the electric motorized four wheeled bicycle was fine.
Posted by: gKWVE at March 21, 2025 11:10 AM (byeIv)
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So… fundamental question WHY.. Ev??
Posted by: tubal at March 21, 2025 11:11 AM (PCK5/)
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Dear Democrats,
NOT ONE G.D. WORD ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE.
No, not ever again. Not after you coordinated the pollution and waste generated by bombing and burning Tesla dealerships and charging station. Not after you terrorized EV owners into selling there cars under threat of violence.
NOPE. You're done with that issue.
Sincerely,
The American public
*Exit question: Where's Greta Thunberg to condemn this senseless, climate-harming behavior, eh?
NOT ONE G.D. WORD ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE.
No, not ever again. Not after you coordinated the pollution and waste generated by bombing and burning Tesla dealerships and charging station. Not after you terrorized EV owners into selling there cars under threat of violence.
NOPE. You're done with that issue.
Sincerely,
The American public
*Exit question: Where's Greta Thunberg to condemn this senseless, climate-harming behavior, eh?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:11 AM (Cki93)
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9 I remember when the “news” told us all that the Lightening was the most popular vehicle ever to be made. Then the real world reviews came out.
Yet the ford CEO still has his job probably received some huge bonuses for killing ford.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable
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Yep. Basically, EVs may have killed Ford Motor Company as they shot themselves in the head over it financially.
Because boards and CEOs can do awful shit with other people's money, it indicates that there is an awful principal-agent problem in modern corporations that needs fixing.
Mebbe something like board members and executive suite officers that make disastrous decisions like this should have 90 percent of their direct financial payments clawed back to the date of those disastrous decisions. Right now, none of those directors nor the executive suite has skin in the game. So they float from disaster to disaster just like government.
In addition, I think you are going to have to strip voting rights (require opt in from fund participants) from the big State Streets, Blackrock, Vanguard funds.
They are the real villains denuding companies of value like Ford along with the federal government.
Yet the ford CEO still has his job probably received some huge bonuses for killing ford.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable
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Yep. Basically, EVs may have killed Ford Motor Company as they shot themselves in the head over it financially.
Because boards and CEOs can do awful shit with other people's money, it indicates that there is an awful principal-agent problem in modern corporations that needs fixing.
Mebbe something like board members and executive suite officers that make disastrous decisions like this should have 90 percent of their direct financial payments clawed back to the date of those disastrous decisions. Right now, none of those directors nor the executive suite has skin in the game. So they float from disaster to disaster just like government.
In addition, I think you are going to have to strip voting rights (require opt in from fund participants) from the big State Streets, Blackrock, Vanguard funds.
They are the real villains denuding companies of value like Ford along with the federal government.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:11 AM (ctrM5)
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The video circulating on X and elsewhere of the diesel truck "rolling coal" while blowing by a bunch of Tesla protesters is pretty funny. And ironic. Since both parties are more or less "on the same side" now.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 21, 2025 11:12 AM (Q4IgG)
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I've always wanted to drive a diesel/electric submarine, but so far, nobody has handed me the keys for one of those.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 21, 2025 11:12 AM (vOJ4/)
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"Ford lost another $5.1 billion on its EV program in 2024 after losing $4.7 billion in 2023, and it’s now projecting a $5.5 billion loss in 2025 from its EV division."
I'm starting to wonder whether these losses are real losses, or on-paper fake losses. Or maybe some of both. In the same way that Hollywood movies can gross a billion dollars but somehow barely break even, I'm sure there's lots of fake accounting going on at Ford to show huge losses for tax purposes, and to try to gin up a yuge bailout (which won't happen under Trump).
I'm starting to wonder whether these losses are real losses, or on-paper fake losses. Or maybe some of both. In the same way that Hollywood movies can gross a billion dollars but somehow barely break even, I'm sure there's lots of fake accounting going on at Ford to show huge losses for tax purposes, and to try to gin up a yuge bailout (which won't happen under Trump).
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 21, 2025 11:12 AM (iFTx/)
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25: LOL. But the lithium is not exposed until the battery burns up from a short or something.
Posted by: PaleRider at March 21, 2025 11:12 AM (bP/i4)
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I thought that was election day 2008.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:07 AM (GBKbO)
The day Bhussein bought a seaside mansion.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:07 AM (GBKbO)
The day Bhussein bought a seaside mansion.
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:12 AM (gbOdA)
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*Exit question: Where's Greta Thunberg to condemn this senseless, climate-harming behavior, eh?
Posted by: Lizzy
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Too busy screaming how dare you at Israel at the moment. Ham Ass supporter.
Posted by: Lizzy
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Too busy screaming how dare you at Israel at the moment. Ham Ass supporter.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:12 AM (ctrM5)
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I guess just being against EVs shouldn't happen for a reason. If made to float on their own without tax money so be it and to each their own. But just as with Trannies they want you to believe and shoved it in our face for 10 years forcing you to believe their BS.
So now I almost despise them.
So now I almost despise them.
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2025 11:12 AM (fwDg9)
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A solution in search of a problem..
Posted by: tubal at March 21, 2025 11:12 AM (PCK5/)
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:12 AM (Cki93)
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I'm starting to wonder whether these losses are real losses, or on-paper fake losses. Or maybe some of both. In the same way that Hollywood movies can gross a billion dollars but somehow barely break even, I'm sure there's lots of fake accounting going on at Ford to show huge losses for tax purposes, and to try to gin up a yuge bailout (which won't happen under Trump).
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 21, 2025 11:12 AM (iFTx/)
Very real.
Only Elon has ever made a dollar on EVs.
Not the PRC
Not Ford
Not GM
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 21, 2025 11:12 AM (iFTx/)
Very real.
Only Elon has ever made a dollar on EVs.
Not the PRC
Not Ford
Not GM
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:13 AM (gbOdA)
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EV's are erasing trannies!!!!
Posted by: ... at March 21, 2025 11:13 AM (YM17H)
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>>Too busy screaming how dare you at Israel at the moment. Ham Ass supporter.
Naturally.
Wonder if we'll see her in her Antifa Tee any time soon. . .
Naturally.
Wonder if we'll see her in her Antifa Tee any time soon. . .
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:13 AM (Cki93)
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‘ Sen. Kelly was having a tantrum about Mr. Musk. Quite the team player there.’
He IS an astronaut but also an elected democrat and therefore a piece of shit 💩.
He IS an astronaut but also an elected democrat and therefore a piece of shit 💩.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 21, 2025 11:14 AM (jbnUc)
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My wife just told me that they're recalling all the Cybertrucks. Apparently, they used the wrong kind of glue, and panels are falling off.
Posted by: Bulg at March 21, 2025 11:14 AM (77rzZ)
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Greta, in a burkha..
Posted by: tubal at March 21, 2025 11:14 AM (PCK5/)
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I'm starting to wonder whether these losses are real losses, or on-paper fake losses. Or maybe some of both. In the same way that Hollywood movies can gross a billion dollars but somehow barely break even, I'm sure there's lots of fake accounting going on at Ford to show huge losses for tax purposes, and to try to gin up a yuge bailout (which won't happen under Trump).
Posted by: Elric Blade
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Real. Ford spent a lot of money (and TN taxpayer money) on an EV plant around Memphis TN that will never open. R&D funds spent to electrify while ignoring the IC engines. EVs that cannot be sold at a profit recovering the labor, parts, and capital investment that Ford put into them. And so on.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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Real. Ford spent a lot of money (and TN taxpayer money) on an EV plant around Memphis TN that will never open. R&D funds spent to electrify while ignoring the IC engines. EVs that cannot be sold at a profit recovering the labor, parts, and capital investment that Ford put into them. And so on.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:14 AM (ctrM5)
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There has got to be some adult supervision somewhere in the Ford boardroom who will tell Farley and Ford that they gave it their best shot, but it’s now time to, ahem, pull the plug on this 21st century E-dsel.
I see what you did there
I see what you did there
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 11:14 AM (2VST1)
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Nobody wants to buy your EVs here, Louie!
Posted by: Penelope Witherspoon at March 21, 2025 11:14 AM (vOJ4/)
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> "Ford lost another $5.1 billion on its EV program in 2024 after losing $4.7 billion in 2023, and it’s now projecting a $5.5 billion loss in 2025 from its EV division."
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Considering Ford sunk several billion dollars into each EV battery manufacturing plant in KY and TN that will either not complete construction or be re-tooled to build ICE vehicles.... I'd say their losses are "real."
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Considering Ford sunk several billion dollars into each EV battery manufacturing plant in KY and TN that will either not complete construction or be re-tooled to build ICE vehicles.... I'd say their losses are "real."
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 21, 2025 11:16 AM (Q4IgG)
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Because Green doesn't like the Internal Combustion Engine we get the External Combustion of the vehicle, the others parked next to it and the whole garage.
Posted by: DaveA at March 21, 2025 11:16 AM (FhXTo)
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 21, 2025 11:16 AM (jbnUc)
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52 ‘ I voted for Trump because …’
I hate democrats and want revenge.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 21, 2025 11:16 AM (jbnUc)
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"And now I don't have Medicare!"
-fake twitter account
I hate democrats and want revenge.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 21, 2025 11:16 AM (jbnUc)
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"And now I don't have Medicare!"
-fake twitter account
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:16 AM (GBKbO)
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>>I don't understand why all these libtards are using molotov cocktails to burn Teslas. I thought those lithium batteries exploded when they got wet, so couldn't they just toss a bucket of water on them, Wizard of Oz style, and get the same results?
A guess or two?
Molotov cocktails are their weapon of choice for destruction - arson, burn down the [whatever new "fascist" they've declared]!!
Even if it doesn't ignite the engine, it does other damage to the interior, etc.
Also, there have been some who've planted bombs in Teslas, so there are some out there who are selecting better weapons, unfortunately.
A guess or two?
Molotov cocktails are their weapon of choice for destruction - arson, burn down the [whatever new "fascist" they've declared]!!
Even if it doesn't ignite the engine, it does other damage to the interior, etc.
Also, there have been some who've planted bombs in Teslas, so there are some out there who are selecting better weapons, unfortunately.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:17 AM (Cki93)
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‘ I voted for Trump because …’
I hate democrats and want revenge.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
My Brother!!
I hate democrats and want revenge.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
My Brother!!
Posted by: Tonypete at March 21, 2025 11:17 AM (cYBz/)
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"Stop trying to make EVs happen. It's not going to happen."
Posted by: NR Pax at March 21, 2025 11:17 AM (mF3TZ)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:17 AM (xnytv)
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Ford lost another $5.1 billion on its EV program in 2024 after losing $4.7 billion in 2023, and it’s now projecting a $5.5 billion loss in 2025 from its EV division.
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They're making it up onvolume amplification!
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They're making it up on
Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 21, 2025 11:17 AM (KBK+H)
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24 I'm more concerned with performance vs looks. If it's going to leave me stranded somewhere because IT ran out of juice, it's an automatic no go.
not certain whether the capitals are for emphasis or for ragging on the information technology folks.
not certain whether the capitals are for emphasis or for ragging on the information technology folks.
Posted by: anachronda at March 21, 2025 11:18 AM (oY6Yp)
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 21, 2025 11:18 AM (i24o9)
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Ford SVT used to mean something. I had a 1998 Cobra Convertible and loved it.
Anyway, it's an odd confluence of events here. Natural demand for EVs has always been pretty close to zero. Tesla comes along (as mentioned, niche) and I think a fair number of consumers said they *liked* the idea of an EV, which was amplified by the greenies in the US government and sent out a seriously flawed demand signal to automakers.
It takes a fair amount of time to get a car from a drawing to production, and I think what sounded like a fairly reasonable car that would sell at the time ended up being inferior to alternatives. Turns out the people who said they liked the idea of the EV...weren't actually buying them, or if they were it was because of government subsidies.
My training in Economics tells me that if a product requires a subsidy to build, then a subsidy to purchase, it's really going to be a crap product no one really wants on the merits.
Since the book "Economics" came up yesterday, I'll conclude with the observation made in that book that when you start messing with the principal agent in an economic system, all sorts of downstream effects happen. In this case...we see it.
Anyway, it's an odd confluence of events here. Natural demand for EVs has always been pretty close to zero. Tesla comes along (as mentioned, niche) and I think a fair number of consumers said they *liked* the idea of an EV, which was amplified by the greenies in the US government and sent out a seriously flawed demand signal to automakers.
It takes a fair amount of time to get a car from a drawing to production, and I think what sounded like a fairly reasonable car that would sell at the time ended up being inferior to alternatives. Turns out the people who said they liked the idea of the EV...weren't actually buying them, or if they were it was because of government subsidies.
My training in Economics tells me that if a product requires a subsidy to build, then a subsidy to purchase, it's really going to be a crap product no one really wants on the merits.
Since the book "Economics" came up yesterday, I'll conclude with the observation made in that book that when you start messing with the principal agent in an economic system, all sorts of downstream effects happen. In this case...we see it.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 21, 2025 11:18 AM (PzXaK)
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The entire huge push for every car company going to EVs was based on the expectation of gigantic subsidies from the government. Subsidies that are not realistic to expect now. The EV market is poor to begin with but overflooding it with 5 times as many cars as it will bear is just ridiculous.
None of those state goals like California saying no sales of any cars but EV by some future date will survive reality. All those predictions of the future being EVs as gas powered cars vanish are as true and rational as Krugman declaring the internet a "passing fad"
None of those state goals like California saying no sales of any cars but EV by some future date will survive reality. All those predictions of the future being EVs as gas powered cars vanish are as true and rational as Krugman declaring the internet a "passing fad"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 11:18 AM (2VST1)
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19 Eventually Ford and the other manufacturers who jumped on the TV train will either jump off, or go bankrupt. It'll be interesting to see which.
If the latter, I hope parts for all the Ford trucks and sedans out there will continue to be available for a while. The F-150 truck should be okay, and maybe the Mustang. The Focus and Fusion could be another story.
(I miss nameplates like Falcon and Fairlane and Galaxie 500)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
Ford will probably follow Chrysler into zombie existence unless the Ford family decides to step up (Ford has two classes of stock---the closely held one controls the company and the other is simply an investment vehicle). A few other tech companies have duplicated that structure so that the founders could maintain control yet bring in outside investor dollars.
If the latter, I hope parts for all the Ford trucks and sedans out there will continue to be available for a while. The F-150 truck should be okay, and maybe the Mustang. The Focus and Fusion could be another story.
(I miss nameplates like Falcon and Fairlane and Galaxie 500)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
Ford will probably follow Chrysler into zombie existence unless the Ford family decides to step up (Ford has two classes of stock---the closely held one controls the company and the other is simply an investment vehicle). A few other tech companies have duplicated that structure so that the founders could maintain control yet bring in outside investor dollars.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:19 AM (ctrM5)
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There's nothing fishy about Newsom pitching Salton Sea lithium extraction and media immediately dubbing it "Lithium Valley."
It's totally legit.
It's totally legit.
Posted by: 13times at March 21, 2025 11:19 AM (U4N2w)
65
I like to keep on 'The Price is Right' in the background.
I can't recall the last time a prize was an electric vehicle, which is not a good sign for the EV market. Canada bet heavily and invested a ton of money in these companies....probably for the grift.
For TPIR, maybe it was a legal issue realizing the fires with these vehicles.
Or maybe they did research and realised their main audience wasn't a bumch of preening douchebags.
I can't recall the last time a prize was an electric vehicle, which is not a good sign for the EV market. Canada bet heavily and invested a ton of money in these companies....probably for the grift.
For TPIR, maybe it was a legal issue realizing the fires with these vehicles.
Or maybe they did research and realised their main audience wasn't a bumch of preening douchebags.
Posted by: Stateless...63% - mental state clawing up from 10% at March 21, 2025 11:19 AM (jvJvP)
66
Legal question: Given that this is organized via the #TeslaTakedown group and funding from Indivisible, can they not be charged with RICO?
I'm thinking the organizers need to be prosecuted, not only the foot soldiers performing the violence.
I'm thinking the organizers need to be prosecuted, not only the foot soldiers performing the violence.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:19 AM (Cki93)
67
@34
>>'m starting to wonder whether these losses are real losses, or on-paper fake losses.
Maybe, maybe not, those loses represent 40pct of their Market Capitalization and 10pct of their entire enterprise valuation.
Their stock is in the toilet so, I think those are very likely real losses and real writedowns.
>>'m starting to wonder whether these losses are real losses, or on-paper fake losses.
Maybe, maybe not, those loses represent 40pct of their Market Capitalization and 10pct of their entire enterprise valuation.
Their stock is in the toilet so, I think those are very likely real losses and real writedowns.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 21, 2025 11:20 AM (XV/Pl)
68
I saw a mustang SUV yesterday. Why?
Posted by: Piper at March 21, 2025 11:20 AM (11JP3)
69
>>There's nothing fishy about Newsom pitching Salton Sea lithium extraction and media immediately dubbing it "Lithium Valley."
It's totally legit
I bet there's already snazzy merch with that
It's totally legit
I bet there's already snazzy merch with that
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:20 AM (Cki93)
70
Basta!
Posted by: Michael Avenatti, after dropping the soap again at March 21, 2025 11:20 AM (iwhil)
71
Real. Ford spent a lot of money (and TN taxpayer money) on an EV plant around Memphis TN that will never open. R&D funds spent to electrify while ignoring the IC engines. EVs that cannot be sold at a profit recovering the labor, parts, and capital investment that Ford put into them. And so on.
Posted by: whig
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Yep opportunity costs are going to be the death knell. The amount of money lost to opportunity costs is huge.
Posted by: whig
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Yep opportunity costs are going to be the death knell. The amount of money lost to opportunity costs is huge.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at March 21, 2025 11:20 AM (17s+e)
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:20 AM (Cki93)
73
I'm starting to wonder whether these losses are real losses, or on-paper fake losses. Or maybe some of both.
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 21, 2025 11:12 AM (iFTx/)
Very real.
Only Elon has ever made a dollar on EVs.
Not the PRC
Not Ford
Not GM
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:13 AM (gbOdA)
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No company, no matter how woke or insane, continues to throw tens of billions down the shitter with no end in sight. I suspect the production costs of EVs are not all "real" in the sense they are inflated, paid to affiliates (a very common way to show high production or development costs, but in reality the company is just paying itself), and/or just pulled out of asses.
EVs are cheaper to develop than gas cars, because the drivetrain is much simpler and almost all of the components are outsourced. The battery and electronic motor are basically off-the-shelf. The rest is just stuff from the parts bin. So I have no idea where all the development and production costs are going.
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 21, 2025 11:12 AM (iFTx/)
Very real.
Only Elon has ever made a dollar on EVs.
Not the PRC
Not Ford
Not GM
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:13 AM (gbOdA)
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No company, no matter how woke or insane, continues to throw tens of billions down the shitter with no end in sight. I suspect the production costs of EVs are not all "real" in the sense they are inflated, paid to affiliates (a very common way to show high production or development costs, but in reality the company is just paying itself), and/or just pulled out of asses.
EVs are cheaper to develop than gas cars, because the drivetrain is much simpler and almost all of the components are outsourced. The battery and electronic motor are basically off-the-shelf. The rest is just stuff from the parts bin. So I have no idea where all the development and production costs are going.
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 21, 2025 11:21 AM (iFTx/)
74
Trump:
We need to end the electric vehicle boondoggle.
The Left:
Burn all Teslas and electric vehicle charging stations!
Whose side are they on?
PS: the video the other day of 1930's Chicago, all them cars sound like fricking lawn mowers, putting, sputtering, and coughing along.
We need to end the electric vehicle boondoggle.
The Left:
Burn all Teslas and electric vehicle charging stations!
Whose side are they on?
PS: the video the other day of 1930's Chicago, all them cars sound like fricking lawn mowers, putting, sputtering, and coughing along.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 21, 2025 11:21 AM (apAvM)
75
A guess or two?
Molotov cocktails are their weapon of choice for destruction - arson, burn down the [whatever new "fascist" they've declared]!!
Even if it doesn't ignite the engine, it does other damage to the interior, etc.
Also, there have been some who've planted bombs in Teslas, so there are some out there who are selecting better weapons, unfortunately.
Posted by: Lizzy
You don't have to shoot the terrorist. Simply snipe the cocktail as it's being lit.
Molotov cocktails are their weapon of choice for destruction - arson, burn down the [whatever new "fascist" they've declared]!!
Even if it doesn't ignite the engine, it does other damage to the interior, etc.
Also, there have been some who've planted bombs in Teslas, so there are some out there who are selecting better weapons, unfortunately.
Posted by: Lizzy
You don't have to shoot the terrorist. Simply snipe the cocktail as it's being lit.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:21 AM (xnytv)
76
EVs were meant for the Moon and Mars. Cut the bullshit and focus on reasonable solutions.
And get your ass to Mars!
And get your ass to Mars!
Posted by: Rev Wishbone at March 21, 2025 11:21 AM (fY84s)
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76 And get your ass to Mars!
Posted by: Rev Wishbone at March 21, 2025 11:21 AM (fY84s)
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But what if it's a tumor?
Posted by: Rev Wishbone at March 21, 2025 11:21 AM (fY84s)
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But what if it's a tumor?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:21 AM (GBKbO)
78
For further proof of the upright bass theory, check out Molly Tuttle and Golden Highway
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyHRqAJCC5jXtnHg8j7_ynQ
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyHRqAJCC5jXtnHg8j7_ynQ
Posted by: Terry at March 21, 2025 11:22 AM (rRaaJ)
79
Electric school busses in North Dakota and Montana?
Posted by: Chuck C at March 21, 2025 11:22 AM (T+IcW)
80
MT and ND are lucky they didn't get delivered kiddie death traps. The districts might well have heated garages to where the buses would 'start' in the morning and then have die and strand everyone out on a rarely traveled road.
Posted by: PaleRider at March 21, 2025 11:08 AM (bP/i4)
Right? In 10th grade we were sent home after just a couple of hours because of a blizzard. We almost didn't make it even in a regular bus. I am honestly shocked this was okayed by the school boards. The "Save just one child!" brigade are notably silent on the subject.
Posted by: PaleRider at March 21, 2025 11:08 AM (bP/i4)
Right? In 10th grade we were sent home after just a couple of hours because of a blizzard. We almost didn't make it even in a regular bus. I am honestly shocked this was okayed by the school boards. The "Save just one child!" brigade are notably silent on the subject.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 21, 2025 11:23 AM (lFFaq)
81
There's always going to be a small market for EVs. If I were a part time Uber driver for instance, or had a job I had to drive to and back every day as a second car. But both would require me to be wealthy to afford an EV to begin with.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 11:23 AM (2VST1)
82
Electric vehicle usefulness peaked at golf carts.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 21, 2025 11:23 AM (vOJ4/)
83
72 >I saw a mustang SUV yesterday. Why?
Whaaaaaaat?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:20 AM (Cki93)
It was as awful as you are imagining.
Whaaaaaaat?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:20 AM (Cki93)
It was as awful as you are imagining.
Posted by: Piper at March 21, 2025 11:24 AM (11JP3)
84
(Ford has two classes of stock---the closely held one controls the company and the other is simply an investment vehicle). A few other tech companies have duplicated that structure so that the founders could maintain control yet bring in outside investor dollars.
Posted by: whig
Don't they call that "Preferred" vs common stock?
Posted by: whig
Don't they call that "Preferred" vs common stock?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:24 AM (xnytv)
85
The school districts that didn’t take delivery of Lion’s electric buses are actually the lucky ones. The school districts that got hurt the worst are the ones that took delivery of these barely operational abominations.
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Do you suppose the spontaneous combustion of -- and a busful of flaming children -- would get people fired up about this issue?
To quote Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber: "Naaaaaaahhhhh."
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Do you suppose the spontaneous combustion of -- and a busful of flaming children -- would get people fired up about this issue?
To quote Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber: "Naaaaaaahhhhh."
Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 21, 2025 11:24 AM (KBK+H)
86
A Tesla is a really fast really expensive golf cart.
Posted by: But you do you at March 21, 2025 11:24 AM (Kvp91)
87
Trump:
We need to end the electric vehicle boondoggle.
The Left:
Burn all Teslas and electric vehicle charging stations!
Whose side are they on?
PS: the video the other day of 1930's Chicago, all them cars sound like fricking lawn mowers, putting, sputtering, and coughing along.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 21, 2025 11:21 AM (apAvM)
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I thought the original film was silent, and the sound was added much more recently? Also, I think some of the film was so heavily filtered as to be almost CGI. That long shot where the two people are driving along is just too weird, they literally never move their heads. It's like two crash test dummies in the car.
We need to end the electric vehicle boondoggle.
The Left:
Burn all Teslas and electric vehicle charging stations!
Whose side are they on?
PS: the video the other day of 1930's Chicago, all them cars sound like fricking lawn mowers, putting, sputtering, and coughing along.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 21, 2025 11:21 AM (apAvM)
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I thought the original film was silent, and the sound was added much more recently? Also, I think some of the film was so heavily filtered as to be almost CGI. That long shot where the two people are driving along is just too weird, they literally never move their heads. It's like two crash test dummies in the car.
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 21, 2025 11:24 AM (iFTx/)
88
Can a judge hold someone in contempt for an illegal order? Put another way I guess, is there a hearing or anything for a contempt charge?
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Yes. Full evidentiary hearing.
But the real reason they are all dragging their feet and doing all they can to avoid that?
Contempt is a criminal act, as it deprives of life and/or property.
So, not the loosey-goosey civil findings/feelings "more likely than not" bullshit they've been dicking around in but "beyond a reasonable doubt."
And there's a whole bigger set of well-defined rules they have to follow.
Which they have to violate to hold Trump in contempt for ... violating rules.
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Yes. Full evidentiary hearing.
But the real reason they are all dragging their feet and doing all they can to avoid that?
Contempt is a criminal act, as it deprives of life and/or property.
So, not the loosey-goosey civil findings/feelings "more likely than not" bullshit they've been dicking around in but "beyond a reasonable doubt."
And there's a whole bigger set of well-defined rules they have to follow.
Which they have to violate to hold Trump in contempt for ... violating rules.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 21, 2025 11:25 AM (apAvM)
89
Less than four years ago, lefties would've been begging for us to change the Constitution to allow the foreign-born Elon Musk to run for president.
But Twitter just had to censor The Babylon Bee...
But Twitter just had to censor The Babylon Bee...
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 21, 2025 11:25 AM (KbCG3)
90
This coffee house has - I just counted - 15 over-30s white women, interspersed with 3 men (including me).
They should rename it the Lithium Valley Coffee Stop.
They should rename it the Lithium Valley Coffee Stop.
Posted by: gKWVE at March 21, 2025 11:26 AM (byeIv)
91
Thank God the era of the EV is passing! Hey, how about dismantling the EPA and going back to making whatever kinds of cars and trucks we want?
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at March 21, 2025 11:26 AM (4rvfO)
92
The city busses in Salem are natural gas powered, which I think is a really great idea. We have tons of the stuff in the USA and its relatively inexpensive. They sound odd though, making appropriately farty noises.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 11:26 AM (2VST1)
93
38 I guess just being against EVs shouldn't happen for a reason. If made to float on their own without tax money so be it and to each their own. But just as with Trannies they want you to believe and shoved it in our face for 10 years forcing you to believe their BS.
So now I almost despise them.
Posted by: Skip
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EVs have a disadvantage in range and not easily recharged in a hurry and they do not scale well to something like the pickup truck. I can see them being used as simply small scale people movers for commuters or niche applications.
For cargo, etc., I think the energy density and amount of batteries requires simply becomes unreasonable in affecting payload, range, etc.
Energy density of petroleum is excellent, easy to fill up quickly, and we already have a massive national infrastructure to use it. EVs don't.
So now I almost despise them.
Posted by: Skip
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EVs have a disadvantage in range and not easily recharged in a hurry and they do not scale well to something like the pickup truck. I can see them being used as simply small scale people movers for commuters or niche applications.
For cargo, etc., I think the energy density and amount of batteries requires simply becomes unreasonable in affecting payload, range, etc.
Energy density of petroleum is excellent, easy to fill up quickly, and we already have a massive national infrastructure to use it. EVs don't.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:26 AM (ctrM5)
94
The Tesla protests explained.
The New Republic@newrepublic
Elon Musk Is the One Who Set Tesla on Fire
The New Republic@newrepublic
Elon Musk Is the One Who Set Tesla on Fire
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2025 11:27 AM (L/fGl)
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88 Which they have to violate to hold Trump in contempt for ... violating rules.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 21, 2025 11:25 AM (apAvM)
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Trump's team is proving very patient and very wily.
I do think SCOTUS will slap this down, but SCOTUS is waiting for the appeals process to play out because SCOTUS doesn't want to get involved in TROs at all now, which opens them open to getting involved in TROs in the future.
Slapping it down a couple of weeks ago, when Alito wrote that dissent, would have definitely been better (and I said so at the time). But there is definitely an end date to this coming up.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 21, 2025 11:25 AM (apAvM)
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Trump's team is proving very patient and very wily.
I do think SCOTUS will slap this down, but SCOTUS is waiting for the appeals process to play out because SCOTUS doesn't want to get involved in TROs at all now, which opens them open to getting involved in TROs in the future.
Slapping it down a couple of weeks ago, when Alito wrote that dissent, would have definitely been better (and I said so at the time). But there is definitely an end date to this coming up.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:27 AM (GBKbO)
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>> a $21.7 Billion loss for its investment in VW
That's going to leave a mark.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 21, 2025 11:18 AM (i24o9)
Get it??
(I'm just wingmanning you.)
That's going to leave a mark.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 21, 2025 11:18 AM (i24o9)
Get it??
(I'm just wingmanning you.)
Posted by: ... at March 21, 2025 11:27 AM (YM17H)
97
Remember, just a couple of years ago, the Biden Administration was telling us that everybody would be driving EVs by .. 2030, 2035, 2050 (take your pick).
This is a nascent technology that will take decades to flush out.
This is a nascent technology that will take decades to flush out.
Posted by: SMOD at March 21, 2025 11:27 AM (RHGPo)
98
Can a judge hold someone in contempt for an illegal order? Put another way I guess, is there a hearing or anything for a contempt charge?
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Yes. Full evidentiary hearing.
But the real reason they are all dragging their feet and doing all they can to avoid that?
Contempt is a criminal act, as it deprives of life and/or property.
So, not the loosey-goosey civil findings/feelings "more likely than not" bullshit they've been dicking around in but "beyond a reasonable doubt."
And there's a whole bigger set of well-defined rules they have to follow.
Which they have to violate to hold Trump in contempt for ... violating rules.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 21, 2025 11:25 AM (apAvM)
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There is civil contempt, which involves payment of money or fines, but not jail or physical confinement. At least in NYC, a hearing is preferred for civil contempt, but not required. Or at least in practice it's not. I recently made this exact argument for a client facing civil contempt.
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Yes. Full evidentiary hearing.
But the real reason they are all dragging their feet and doing all they can to avoid that?
Contempt is a criminal act, as it deprives of life and/or property.
So, not the loosey-goosey civil findings/feelings "more likely than not" bullshit they've been dicking around in but "beyond a reasonable doubt."
And there's a whole bigger set of well-defined rules they have to follow.
Which they have to violate to hold Trump in contempt for ... violating rules.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 21, 2025 11:25 AM (apAvM)
_____
There is civil contempt, which involves payment of money or fines, but not jail or physical confinement. At least in NYC, a hearing is preferred for civil contempt, but not required. Or at least in practice it's not. I recently made this exact argument for a client facing civil contempt.
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 21, 2025 11:27 AM (iFTx/)
99
94 The Tesla protests explained.
The New Republic@newrepublic
Elon Musk Is the One Who Set Tesla on Fire
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2025 11:27 AM (L/fGl)
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Musk was wearing a really short skirt.
The New Republic@newrepublic
Elon Musk Is the One Who Set Tesla on Fire
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2025 11:27 AM (L/fGl)
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Musk was wearing a really short skirt.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:28 AM (GBKbO)
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President Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency began the process Wednesday of rescinding vehicle fuel efficiency standards that Republicans have called a de facto “electric vehicle mandate,” The Post has learned.
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Let's hope Gruesome Newscum and CARB (Califzuela's Air Resources Board) doubles down on death by banning all ICE vehicles -- including big rigs.
Starvation and anarcho-terrorism tend to focus the mind ...
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Let's hope Gruesome Newscum and CARB (Califzuela's Air Resources Board) doubles down on death by banning all ICE vehicles -- including big rigs.
Starvation and anarcho-terrorism tend to focus the mind ...
Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 21, 2025 11:28 AM (KBK+H)
101
Perry sure that if Bootyjuice would have built more than 4 charging stations with $7 billion electric cars would have made it. Of course the electric grid infrastructure would have cost trillions of dollars. None of the proggies talk about that.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at March 21, 2025 11:28 AM (17s+e)
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it is a “constitutional crisis” to put cheese on a raw hamburger
it's just a matter of who's constitituion
it's just a matter of who's constitituion
Posted by: SMOD at March 21, 2025 11:28 AM (RHGPo)
103
Couldn't they have found a less stout drummer?
Posted by: Life of Wryly at March 21, 2025 11:30 AM (1FWWQ)
104
Perry sure that if Bootyjuice would have built more than 4 charging stations with $7 billion electric cars would have made it.
.. the last number I saw, I think, was as high as 27
.. the last number I saw, I think, was as high as 27
Posted by: SMOD at March 21, 2025 11:30 AM (RHGPo)
105
The Tesla protests explained.
The New Republic@newrepublic
Elon Musk Is the One Who Set Tesla on Fire
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
Elon Musk = Nazi
Totally ignoring the Volk's Vagon. The one TRUE Nazi vehicle.
The New Republic@newrepublic
Elon Musk Is the One Who Set Tesla on Fire
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
Elon Musk = Nazi
Totally ignoring the Volk's Vagon. The one TRUE Nazi vehicle.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:30 AM (xnytv)
106
What's really going to bake your noodle later is did Trump know there could be a backlash from the Left toward EV's.
Posted by: ... at March 21, 2025 11:30 AM (YM17H)
107
100 President Trump’s Environmental Protection Agency began the process Wednesday of rescinding vehicle fuel efficiency standards that Republicans have called a de facto “electric vehicle mandate,” The Post has learned.
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Let's hope Gruesome Newscum and CARB (Califzuela's Air Resources Board) doubles down on death by banning all ICE vehicles -- including big rigs.
Starvation and anarcho-terrorism tend to focus the mind ...
Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 21, 2025 11:28 AM (KBK+H)
Only if we can also block off the highways going into California.
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Let's hope Gruesome Newscum and CARB (Califzuela's Air Resources Board) doubles down on death by banning all ICE vehicles -- including big rigs.
Starvation and anarcho-terrorism tend to focus the mind ...
Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 21, 2025 11:28 AM (KBK+H)
Only if we can also block off the highways going into California.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 21, 2025 11:30 AM (N39Ws)
108
TSLA GP and GM 24 23 22
Total gross profit $17,450 $17,660 $20,853
Total gross margin 17.9% 18.2% 25.6%
These are Consumer Electronic numbers.
My guess is the Full Self Driving (10 to 12 years ahead of anyone) is worth 500 B in licensing.
TSLA is valued at 750 B today.
Total gross profit $17,450 $17,660 $20,853
Total gross margin 17.9% 18.2% 25.6%
These are Consumer Electronic numbers.
My guess is the Full Self Driving (10 to 12 years ahead of anyone) is worth 500 B in licensing.
TSLA is valued at 750 B today.
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:30 AM (gbOdA)
109
Earlier this month, Porsche announced that it will also be taking a $21.7 Billion loss for its investment in VW, which is also going through a crisis related to its regrettable commitment to the EV transition.
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Sounds like Porsche should invest in Ford.
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Sounds like Porsche should invest in Ford.
Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 21, 2025 11:31 AM (KBK+H)
110
The sub-heading has this line, “Buyers are increasingly turned off by electrification when it comes to supercars.” True, but buyers are also increasingly turned off by electrification when it comes to pickup trucks, SUVs, sedans, child haulers, vehicles used for towing, etc.
Buyers are increasingly turned off by fire when it comes to volcanoes, but also forest fires, zeppelins, and Dresden-style air raids.
Buyers are increasingly turned off by fire when it comes to volcanoes, but also forest fires, zeppelins, and Dresden-style air raids.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 21, 2025 11:31 AM (xCA6C)
111
>>The New Republic@newrepublic
Elon Musk Is the One Who Set Tesla on Fire
Translation: "Asking for it by wearing that short skirt!"
The “Tesla Takedown” movement has been gaining traction as individuals attack the company as a form of protesting against Musk. There have been multiple incidents of vandalism for individual vehicles, plus protest events and damage done to Tesla showrooms despite the group describing itself as a “peaceful protest group.”
The group instructs would-be activists to “take action at Tesla showrooms everywhere” via their website.
“Sell your Teslas, dump your stock, join the picket lines,” it says. “Hurting Tesla is stopping Musk. Stopping Musk will help save lives and our democracy. The stakes couldn’t be higher. No one is coming to save us — not politicians, not the media.”
Elon Musk Is the One Who Set Tesla on Fire
Translation: "Asking for it by wearing that short skirt!"
The “Tesla Takedown” movement has been gaining traction as individuals attack the company as a form of protesting against Musk. There have been multiple incidents of vandalism for individual vehicles, plus protest events and damage done to Tesla showrooms despite the group describing itself as a “peaceful protest group.”
The group instructs would-be activists to “take action at Tesla showrooms everywhere” via their website.
“Sell your Teslas, dump your stock, join the picket lines,” it says. “Hurting Tesla is stopping Musk. Stopping Musk will help save lives and our democracy. The stakes couldn’t be higher. No one is coming to save us — not politicians, not the media.”
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:31 AM (Cki93)
112
The most frustrating thing for me about the EV push was that it sucked all the oxygen out of the room for every other experimental technology like hydrogen. Electric Cars are very, very old technology, every bit as old as Internal Combustion. But... not nearly as advanced or high tech. Its better than it was in 1917, but nothing remotely like how gas powered cars have advanced.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 11:31 AM (2VST1)
113
Clearly, if Climate Change is a existential risk to the global society, there should be a "windfall profits tax" (see Jimmy Carter for details).
Posted by: SMOD at March 21, 2025 11:31 AM (RHGPo)
114
Which one of you did this?
https://tinyurl.com/3fekfsvf
WEIRD BUT TRUE
Creepy skeleton-like figure with fins shocks beachgoers: ‘I just knew no one would believe us
https://tinyurl.com/3fekfsvf
WEIRD BUT TRUE
Creepy skeleton-like figure with fins shocks beachgoers: ‘I just knew no one would believe us
Posted by: Piper at March 21, 2025 11:31 AM (pZEOD)
115
Let's hope Gruesome Newscum and CARB (Califzuela's Air Resources Board) doubles down on death by banning all ICE vehicles -- including big rigs.
Starvation and anarcho-terrorism tend to focus the mind ...
Posted by: ShainS
We'll have to put up a wall with armed gun towers to keep them in.
Starvation and anarcho-terrorism tend to focus the mind ...
Posted by: ShainS
We'll have to put up a wall with armed gun towers to keep them in.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:32 AM (xnytv)
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92 The city busses in Salem are natural gas powered, which I think is a really great idea. We have tons of the stuff in the USA and its relatively inexpensive. They sound odd though, making appropriately farty noises.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
UPS has converted to compressed natural gas (CNG) as well. It has been and actually is also fairly easy to convert standard IC engines into propane operation. Don't think it is much more complicated to do so with CNG. But, you have to have a compressor attached to nat gas pipeline to do that which is fairly expensive. Easier for individuals to use propane.
Father had several farm vehicles, that were seldom used, converted to that in the 70's. Less problem with sludge from old gas screwing up the engines and they would run fine on propane even if not run for six months or so. Same reason I prefer running generators off of propane despite the slight decline in energy output. Worse for natgas hookups compared with propane and not functional as a portable.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
UPS has converted to compressed natural gas (CNG) as well. It has been and actually is also fairly easy to convert standard IC engines into propane operation. Don't think it is much more complicated to do so with CNG. But, you have to have a compressor attached to nat gas pipeline to do that which is fairly expensive. Easier for individuals to use propane.
Father had several farm vehicles, that were seldom used, converted to that in the 70's. Less problem with sludge from old gas screwing up the engines and they would run fine on propane even if not run for six months or so. Same reason I prefer running generators off of propane despite the slight decline in energy output. Worse for natgas hookups compared with propane and not functional as a portable.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:32 AM (ctrM5)
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I think the EV was/is designed for those 15 minute cities the WEF and other globalists want to shove everyone into. For one, you'd never need anything else unless you were traveling to another of those 15 minute cities.
In that case, there'd be public transportation available. And it would be available only if you had the proper level of social credit. EV's limited range is a feature, not a bug.
Because a mobile society is difficult to subjugate.
The globalist's wet dream of all that isn't going away.
In that case, there'd be public transportation available. And it would be available only if you had the proper level of social credit. EV's limited range is a feature, not a bug.
Because a mobile society is difficult to subjugate.
The globalist's wet dream of all that isn't going away.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 21, 2025 11:32 AM (Q4IgG)
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GM needs to reintroduce the Corvair. The original American Porsche.
Posted by: Pudinhead at March 21, 2025 11:32 AM (Hpgos)
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The most frustrating thing for me about the EV push was that it sucked all the oxygen out of the room for every other experimental technology like hydrogen. Electric Cars are very, very old technology, every bit as old as Internal Combustion. But... not nearly as advanced or high tech. Its better than it was in 1917, but nothing remotely like how gas powered cars have advanced.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
That's why they died in 1917.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
That's why they died in 1917.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:33 AM (xnytv)
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Marxist NGOs are doubling down on EV requirements for the Port of Longbeach.
CalMatters posted the article yesterday.
CalMatters posted the article yesterday.
Posted by: 13times at March 21, 2025 11:33 AM (U4N2w)
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I love the EV Follies!
It's the same old same old, but it exposes the conceit and insanity of the corporate left.
Remember, doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result means you are nuts. And stupid. And a leftist.
It's the same old same old, but it exposes the conceit and insanity of the corporate left.
Remember, doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result means you are nuts. And stupid. And a leftist.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 21, 2025 11:33 AM (L5An7)
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Thanks, Buck. I was hoping for an EV Follies post. Electric school buses was always a stupid idea and I'm glad the whole thing is collapsing.
Posted by: Edsel Ford's Ghost at March 21, 2025 11:33 AM (G5+As)
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All this EV bullshit started with unleaded gasoline. It was a slippery slope from then.
Posted by: Archer at March 21, 2025 11:33 AM (IDphi)
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UPS has converted to compressed natural gas (CNG) as well. It has been and actually is also fairly easy to convert standard IC engines into propane operation.
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Yep. Its the 70s show all over, again.
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Yep. Its the 70s show all over, again.
Posted by: Pudinhead at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (Hpgos)
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‘ I do think SCOTUS will slap this down’
This faith in SCOTUS is misplaced. Roberts wants what is happening and will find some chickenshit way of letting continue indefinitely.
Trump will have to announce he will ignore future rulings and explain to the American why.
‘ I do think SCOTUS will slap this down’
This faith in SCOTUS is misplaced. Roberts wants what is happening and will find some chickenshit way of letting continue indefinitely.
Trump will have to announce he will ignore future rulings and explain to the American why.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (jbnUc)
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EVs were meant for the Moon and Mars. Cut the bullshit and focus on reasonable solutions.
And get your ass to Mars!
Posted by: Rev Wishbone at March 21, 2025 11:21 AM (fY84s)
by 2029 supposedly.
And get your ass to Mars!
Posted by: Rev Wishbone at March 21, 2025 11:21 AM (fY84s)
by 2029 supposedly.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (D7oie)
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“Sell your Teslas, dump your stock, join the picket lines,” it says. “Hurting Tesla is stopping Musk. Stopping Musk will help save lives and our democracy. The stakes couldn’t be higher. No one is coming to save us — not politicians, not the media.”
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:31 AM (Cki93)
Liberal thinking falls apart basically at the second syllable of whatever thought they're having.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:31 AM (Cki93)
Liberal thinking falls apart basically at the second syllable of whatever thought they're having.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (KbCG3)
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Trans Violence Is a Real Thing, and It Is Out of Control
.. they say the "trans" thing is all mental, and are these nutjobs doing a number on society
.. they say the "trans" thing is all mental, and are these nutjobs doing a number on society
Posted by: SMOD at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (RHGPo)
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Should we be encouraging everyone to go out and buy an EV because they are good for the environment? Teslas even?
No. I’m not encouraging anyone to spend money in this economy.
I doubt they're any better for the environment as a whole. If you want to do better for the environment expand mass transit and stop treating it as a makeshift homeless shelter and mental ward. The adverse effects of EVs are shifted to lithium mining and electric production on the grid.
Enriching Musk is good for the environment? How is the EPA doing under DOGE? The BLM? EV, yes. All things Musk, no. Mass transit, best of all.
EVs aren't to save the planet. They’re to save the automobile industry.
No! We ought to be turning our cities into attractive affordable places where car ownership is unnecessary. Cars are bad for the environment no matter what powers them. It's not just the cars, it's all the infrastructure required to support them to.
What sort of "freedom" is it to live in a nation where we are forced to own automobiles? I resent the fact that I must own an automobile to be considered a fully functional adult in this society.
No. I’m not encouraging anyone to spend money in this economy.
I doubt they're any better for the environment as a whole. If you want to do better for the environment expand mass transit and stop treating it as a makeshift homeless shelter and mental ward. The adverse effects of EVs are shifted to lithium mining and electric production on the grid.
Enriching Musk is good for the environment? How is the EPA doing under DOGE? The BLM? EV, yes. All things Musk, no. Mass transit, best of all.
EVs aren't to save the planet. They’re to save the automobile industry.
No! We ought to be turning our cities into attractive affordable places where car ownership is unnecessary. Cars are bad for the environment no matter what powers them. It's not just the cars, it's all the infrastructure required to support them to.
What sort of "freedom" is it to live in a nation where we are forced to own automobiles? I resent the fact that I must own an automobile to be considered a fully functional adult in this society.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (JCZqz)
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If you have a RAM 1500 or similar vehicle then a TSLA could be a great second car.
My RAM will run around 500 miles on a tank almost to Dallas and back.
Having a TSLA might be a great second car.
My RAM will run around 500 miles on a tank almost to Dallas and back.
Having a TSLA might be a great second car.
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (gbOdA)
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Sen. Mark Kelly is having a snit fit about Elon Musk, so the Democrat senator just announced that he’s de-transitioning from his electric Tesla to a big, gas-guzzling SUV.
Nothing says "I am a mature and sober thinking individual who should be part of national leadership" quite like this.
Nothing says "I am a mature and sober thinking individual who should be part of national leadership" quite like this.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (ExV1e)
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UPS has converted to compressed natural gas (CNG) as well.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:32 AM (ctrM5)
UPS had NG vehicles 30 years ago. It has been a longstanding program within the company.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:32 AM (ctrM5)
UPS had NG vehicles 30 years ago. It has been a longstanding program within the company.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 21, 2025 11:35 AM (L5An7)
133
Forget constitutional, are raw hamburgers with cheese kosher?
Posted by: Rev Wishbone at March 21, 2025 11:35 AM (fY84s)
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The most frustrating thing for me about the EV push was that it sucked all the oxygen out of the room for every other experimental technology like hydrogen. Electric Cars are very, very old technology, every bit as old as Internal Combustion. But... not nearly as advanced or high tech. Its better than it was in 1917, but nothing remotely like how gas powered cars have advanced.
While hydrogen fuel cell cars offer zero tailpipe emissions, their limited infrastructure, high production costs, and the challenges of hydrogen storage and production hinder widespread adoption, making them less prevalent than electric vehicles
I think the latter problem (hydrogen production and storage) is the most important reason they aren't doing better. Those problems aren't affected by EVs.
While hydrogen fuel cell cars offer zero tailpipe emissions, their limited infrastructure, high production costs, and the challenges of hydrogen storage and production hinder widespread adoption, making them less prevalent than electric vehicles
I think the latter problem (hydrogen production and storage) is the most important reason they aren't doing better. Those problems aren't affected by EVs.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 21, 2025 11:35 AM (xCA6C)
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Proggies hate speech more than they love the environment.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at March 21, 2025 11:35 AM (17s+e)
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>>Remember, doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result means you are nuts. And stupid. And a leftist.
Also, Married.
Also, Married.
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2025 11:35 AM (GIkaP)
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The New Republic are involved in the Tesla Takedown call with Jasmine Crock-o'it:
x.com/DefiyantlyFree/status/1902850647055045020
x.com/DefiyantlyFree/status/1902850647055045020
Posted by: gKWVE at March 21, 2025 11:36 AM (byeIv)
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Are trannies the most terroristy segment of society?
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at March 21, 2025 11:36 AM (kTd/k)
Posted by: SMOD at March 21, 2025 11:36 AM (RHGPo)
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112 The most frustrating thing for me about the EV push was that it sucked all the oxygen out of the room for every other experimental technology like hydrogen. Electric Cars are very, very old technology, every bit as old as Internal Combustion. But... not nearly as advanced or high tech. Its better than it was in 1917, but nothing remotely like how gas powered cars have advanced.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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I don't think hydrogen will ever become a fuel in the traditional IC sense for vehicles. Too difficult to manage H2 gas even for fuel cell operations.
Toyota has been playing around with that tech for decades with little to show for it other than demo vehicles.
There is an easy and abundant less polluting fuel just waiting which is CNG but the net zero climate cultists hate anything to do with carbon.
FWIW, if you feed methanol, etc. into fuel cells, they actually work pretty well except they release some small amount of carbon. But, you do not get combustion gasses like NOx etc. which you do if you burn CNG and those combustion gasses are treated as EPA pollutants.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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I don't think hydrogen will ever become a fuel in the traditional IC sense for vehicles. Too difficult to manage H2 gas even for fuel cell operations.
Toyota has been playing around with that tech for decades with little to show for it other than demo vehicles.
There is an easy and abundant less polluting fuel just waiting which is CNG but the net zero climate cultists hate anything to do with carbon.
FWIW, if you feed methanol, etc. into fuel cells, they actually work pretty well except they release some small amount of carbon. But, you do not get combustion gasses like NOx etc. which you do if you burn CNG and those combustion gasses are treated as EPA pollutants.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:36 AM (ctrM5)
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OT from Insty:
Junior associate at big law firm FAFO:
http://tiny.cc/166e001
The sense of entitlement is amazing. Extra funny since almost everyone at those firms is a leftwing democrat anyway
Junior associate at big law firm FAFO:
http://tiny.cc/166e001
The sense of entitlement is amazing. Extra funny since almost everyone at those firms is a leftwing democrat anyway
Posted by: brak at March 21, 2025 11:36 AM (jGJov)
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I'm laughing at the dichotomy with that Biden press secretary bitch telling everyone to buy an EV, people go out and do it, and now they are being told to torch them.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 21, 2025 11:37 AM (PzXaK)
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Former ‘Squad’ Rep. Cori Bush’s husband indicted for allegedly pocketing $20K in PPP loans for ‘personal benefit and enjoyment’
Posted by: SMOD at March 21, 2025 11:37 AM (RHGPo)
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If We All Drove EVs, the Introduction of ICE Vehicles Would Be a Revolutionary Improvement
And yeah, this is absolutely true. Imagine having only EVs. And some guy shows up in a F-150 rumbling away.
It sounds more badass
It can carry more weight
It doesn't lose half its range by putting something in the bed.
It can go further.
It refuels in a tenth the time.
It costs half as much.
It is not nearly as damaging to the world to make.
It won't burn for a week if it gets wet.
Its like a miracle
And yeah, this is absolutely true. Imagine having only EVs. And some guy shows up in a F-150 rumbling away.
It sounds more badass
It can carry more weight
It doesn't lose half its range by putting something in the bed.
It can go further.
It refuels in a tenth the time.
It costs half as much.
It is not nearly as damaging to the world to make.
It won't burn for a week if it gets wet.
Its like a miracle
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 11:37 AM (2VST1)
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125 95
‘ I do think SCOTUS will slap this down’
This faith in SCOTUS is misplaced. Roberts wants what is happening and will find some chickenshit way of letting continue indefinitely.
Trump will have to announce he will ignore future rulings and explain to the American why.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (jbnUc)
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SCOTUS has been signaling for years that it's close to stopping nationwide injunctions. Roberts voted in favor of Trump in several high-profile cases recently (Muslim ban, immunity, and, not related to Trump, Loper).
Roberts is smart enough to know that he can keep SCOTUS' authority in the government or lose the entire judiciary's authority in the federal government. He has no divisions. Executives have ignored court rulings before to no negative effect. SCOTUS having authority is based on a polite, gentleman's agreement on maintaining the unconstitutionality of Marbury v Madison, and that Trump is the kind of Executive to stamp all over it.
I trust Roberts' sense of self-preservation.
‘ I do think SCOTUS will slap this down’
This faith in SCOTUS is misplaced. Roberts wants what is happening and will find some chickenshit way of letting continue indefinitely.
Trump will have to announce he will ignore future rulings and explain to the American why.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (jbnUc)
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SCOTUS has been signaling for years that it's close to stopping nationwide injunctions. Roberts voted in favor of Trump in several high-profile cases recently (Muslim ban, immunity, and, not related to Trump, Loper).
Roberts is smart enough to know that he can keep SCOTUS' authority in the government or lose the entire judiciary's authority in the federal government. He has no divisions. Executives have ignored court rulings before to no negative effect. SCOTUS having authority is based on a polite, gentleman's agreement on maintaining the unconstitutionality of Marbury v Madison, and that Trump is the kind of Executive to stamp all over it.
I trust Roberts' sense of self-preservation.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:37 AM (GBKbO)
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This faith in SCOTUS is misplaced. Roberts wants what is happening and will find some chickenshit way of letting continue indefinitely.
Trump will have to announce he will ignore future rulings and explain to the American why.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (jbnUc)
Roberts apparently has been a member of a Judge-club (like the Rotary, or a PAC you know) who's president is Boasberg.
Completely dedicated to the left, completely compromised.
Trump will have to announce he will ignore future rulings and explain to the American why.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (jbnUc)
Roberts apparently has been a member of a Judge-club (like the Rotary, or a PAC you know) who's president is Boasberg.
Completely dedicated to the left, completely compromised.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 21, 2025 11:38 AM (D7oie)
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If We All Drove EVs, the Introduction of ICE Vehicles Would Be a Revolutionary Improvement
And yeah, this is absolutely true. Imagine having only EVs. And some guy shows up in a F-150 rumbling away.
It sounds more badass
It can carry more weight
It doesn't lose half its range by putting something in the bed.
It can go further.
It refuels in a tenth the time.
It costs half as much.
It is not nearly as damaging to the world to make.
It won't burn for a week if it gets wet.
Its like a miracle
Pffffft.
And yeah, this is absolutely true. Imagine having only EVs. And some guy shows up in a F-150 rumbling away.
It sounds more badass
It can carry more weight
It doesn't lose half its range by putting something in the bed.
It can go further.
It refuels in a tenth the time.
It costs half as much.
It is not nearly as damaging to the world to make.
It won't burn for a week if it gets wet.
Its like a miracle
Pffffft.
Posted by: Oxcarts at March 21, 2025 11:38 AM (xCA6C)
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Joy Reid explains the War of 1812.
You can't make Canada the 51st state without going to war with them. And let me explain how that worked out the last time we tried to go to war with Canada. They burned the White House to the ground in 1814! And won the war! Canada beat us in the War of 1812! They probably like their chances against us. We're not going to beat them in a war because we have never been able to do that.
You can't make Canada the 51st state without going to war with them. And let me explain how that worked out the last time we tried to go to war with Canada. They burned the White House to the ground in 1814! And won the war! Canada beat us in the War of 1812! They probably like their chances against us. We're not going to beat them in a war because we have never been able to do that.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2025 11:38 AM (L/fGl)
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The Peace Institute, a sinister US government agency that was just raided by DOGE and the FBI, was in cahoots with radical activists who have instigated recent campus uprisings.
Anarchist protest toolkits “created and used” by “Beautiful Trouble” and cohorts including Lisa Fithian, “a lifelong advocate for violent protests, abolishing the police, dismantling the state [and who] guided Columbia University students to break into its building” were shared on USIP’s website as models for “change” and “peace.”
Anarchist protest toolkits “created and used” by “Beautiful Trouble” and cohorts including Lisa Fithian, “a lifelong advocate for violent protests, abolishing the police, dismantling the state [and who] guided Columbia University students to break into its building” were shared on USIP’s website as models for “change” and “peace.”
Posted by: SMOD at March 21, 2025 11:38 AM (RHGPo)
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I also have problems with new non EV vehicles. Whose stupid idea was it to have fobs instead of keys to start a vehicle? Someone can have the keys in the house, start a vehicle, and drive to a point where the vehicle shuts down and cannot be restarted.
Just another expensive failure point.
Just another expensive failure point.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 21, 2025 11:38 AM (tRBgL)
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129 I doubt they're any better for the environment as a whole. If you want to do better for the environment expand mass transit and stop treating it as a makeshift homeless shelter and mental ward. The adverse effects of EVs are shifted to lithium mining and electric production on the grid.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (JCZqz)
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Wait until they discover research saying that trains are far worse for the environment, on a per capita basis, than cars.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (JCZqz)
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Wait until they discover research saying that trains are far worse for the environment, on a per capita basis, than cars.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:38 AM (GBKbO)
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Wife tells me that Trump and Hegseth are making some announcement now. Don't know about what.
Posted by: Bulg at March 21, 2025 11:38 AM (77rzZ)
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The adverse effects of EVs are shifted to lithium mining and electric production on the grid.
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They JUST found this out.
No, really. It's not that they knew all along and didn't care because the Cause means more than anything.
Reminds me of when Obama lectured Mitt Romney suddenly in 2012 that some government "investment" Romney proposed was "the people's money" and "taxpayer money" and not really any kind of investment at all.
They love this shit by the way. They love knowing stuff but making you explain it to them.
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They JUST found this out.
No, really. It's not that they knew all along and didn't care because the Cause means more than anything.
Reminds me of when Obama lectured Mitt Romney suddenly in 2012 that some government "investment" Romney proposed was "the people's money" and "taxpayer money" and not really any kind of investment at all.
They love this shit by the way. They love knowing stuff but making you explain it to them.
Posted by: ... at March 21, 2025 11:38 AM (YM17H)
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But, you do not get combustion gasses like NOx etc. which you do if you burn CNG and those combustion gasses are treated as EPA pollutants.
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Simple fix, get rid of EPA.
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Simple fix, get rid of EPA.
Posted by: Pudinhead at March 21, 2025 11:38 AM (Hpgos)
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Oh, FFS, this land whale censor is in on it??
https://tinyurl.com/487rxvdk
Meet Joan Donovan, speaker at the TeslaTakedown event last night. Her goal is to incite the public until Tesla "is done with Musk"
Joan studied, wrote a book and teaches about "organizing power of the internet, the weaponizes memes, pushing conspiracy theories and disinformation into the mainstream to drag people down the rabbit hole." Additionally, how "meme wars stir strong emotions, deepen partisanship, and get people off their keyboards and into the streets--and the steps of the US Capitol." CREDIT: @LauraLoomer
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She was part of the 2020 censorship regime out of Harvard.
https://tinyurl.com/2hnxp4sb
https://tinyurl.com/487rxvdk
Meet Joan Donovan, speaker at the TeslaTakedown event last night. Her goal is to incite the public until Tesla "is done with Musk"
Joan studied, wrote a book and teaches about "organizing power of the internet, the weaponizes memes, pushing conspiracy theories and disinformation into the mainstream to drag people down the rabbit hole." Additionally, how "meme wars stir strong emotions, deepen partisanship, and get people off their keyboards and into the streets--and the steps of the US Capitol." CREDIT: @LauraLoomer
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She was part of the 2020 censorship regime out of Harvard.
https://tinyurl.com/2hnxp4sb
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:38 AM (Cki93)
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UPS had NG vehicles 30 years ago. It has been a longstanding program within the company.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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I don't doubt you but haven't seen them at my local level until about 10-12 years ago. Diesel until then.
I think there was a big push during the GWB years by UPS to convert to CNG from the vaguest of memories. FedEx, I have no idea about.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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I don't doubt you but haven't seen them at my local level until about 10-12 years ago. Diesel until then.
I think there was a big push during the GWB years by UPS to convert to CNG from the vaguest of memories. FedEx, I have no idea about.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:39 AM (ctrM5)
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129 No! We ought to be turning our cities into attractive affordable places where car ownership is unnecessary. Cars are bad for the environment no matter what powers them. It's not just the cars, it's all the infrastructure required to support them to.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (JCZqz)
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That sounds like a great place to catch covid.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (JCZqz)
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That sounds like a great place to catch covid.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:39 AM (GBKbO)
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That art thread picture was fancy/snazzy. Sorry to miss it.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 21, 2025 11:39 AM (/x6eu)
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I don't think hydrogen will ever become a fuel in the traditional IC sense for vehicles. Too difficult to manage H2 gas even for fuel cell operations.
We'll never know now because all the research money, time, space, and energy is taken by EVs.
We'll never know now because all the research money, time, space, and energy is taken by EVs.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 11:39 AM (2VST1)
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Off topic but Trump just announced a new 6th generation fighter the F-47. Does anyone know about it of what it looks like?
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at March 21, 2025 11:39 AM (AiZBA)
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146 Roberts apparently has been a member of a Judge-club (like the Rotary, or a PAC you know) who's president is Boasberg.
Completely dedicated to the left, completely compromised.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 21, 2025 11:38 AM (D7oie)
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These clubs are apparently very common with chapters across the nation.
Completely dedicated to the left, completely compromised.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 21, 2025 11:38 AM (D7oie)
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These clubs are apparently very common with chapters across the nation.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:39 AM (GBKbO)
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Joy Reid explains the War of 1812.
You can't make Canada the 51st state without going to war with them. And let me explain how that worked out the last time we tried to go to war with Canada. They burned the White House to the ground in 1814! And won the war! Canada beat us in the War of 1812! They probably like their chances against us. We're not going to beat them in a war because we have never been able to do that.
They were big mad about the lack of Tim Horton's south of the border.
Seriously, what a half wit.
You can't make Canada the 51st state without going to war with them. And let me explain how that worked out the last time we tried to go to war with Canada. They burned the White House to the ground in 1814! And won the war! Canada beat us in the War of 1812! They probably like their chances against us. We're not going to beat them in a war because we have never been able to do that.
They were big mad about the lack of Tim Horton's south of the border.
Seriously, what a half wit.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 21, 2025 11:40 AM (xCA6C)
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Sell your Teslas, dump your stock, join the picket lines,” it says. “Hurting Tesla is stopping Musk. Stopping Musk will help save lives and our democracy. The stakes couldn’t be higher. No one is coming to save us — not politicians, not the media.”
Posted by: Lizzy
They aren't hurting Musk. He's worth $327 billion dollars.
If Musk spent $1 million dollars a day for thirty years, he'd still have $325 billion dollars.
$1,000,000 x 365 equals $365,000,000.00
$365,000,000 x 10 equals $10,950,000,000.
Posted by: Lizzy
They aren't hurting Musk. He's worth $327 billion dollars.
If Musk spent $1 million dollars a day for thirty years, he'd still have $325 billion dollars.
$1,000,000 x 365 equals $365,000,000.00
$365,000,000 x 10 equals $10,950,000,000.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:40 AM (xnytv)
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Waiting for Florida Man to get a cyber truck and paint it like the General Lee while hanging a pair of truck nuts off the trailer hitch.
With the obligatory Flo-Grown and Salt Life bumper stickers, of course.
With the obligatory Flo-Grown and Salt Life bumper stickers, of course.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 21, 2025 11:40 AM (vOJ4/)
165
EVs do get off the line at a red light fast. Often that's how can tell one is
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2025 11:40 AM (fwDg9)
166
Wait until they discover research saying that trains are far worse for the environment, on a per capita basis, than cars.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Have a look at city buses. Far, far worse, and it is documented.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Have a look at city buses. Far, far worse, and it is documented.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 21, 2025 11:40 AM (tRBgL)
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Lots of new tractor owners complain about all the pollution control contraptions. Some (illegally) disable or bypass the devices.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 21, 2025 11:40 AM (Cus5s)
168
>>The Peace Institute, a sinister US government agency that was just raided by DOGE and the FBI, was in cahoots with radical activists who have instigated recent campus uprisings.
Oh, wow. Well, that explains why they barricaded themselves in the building to keep DOGE out!
You could not write satire this on-the-nose, huh?
Oh, wow. Well, that explains why they barricaded themselves in the building to keep DOGE out!
You could not write satire this on-the-nose, huh?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:40 AM (Cki93)
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What sort of "freedom" is it to live in a nation where we are forced to own automobiles? I resent the fact that I must own an automobile to be considered a fully functional adult in this society.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (JCZqz)
Freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (JCZqz)
Freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose.
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:40 AM (gbOdA)
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162 Joy Reid explains the War of 1812.
You can't make Canada the 51st state without going to war with them. And let me explain how that worked out the last time we tried to go to war with Canada. They burned the White House to the ground in 1814! And won the war! Canada beat us in the War of 1812! They probably like their chances against us. We're not going to beat them in a war because we have never been able to do that.
They were big mad about the lack of Tim Horton's south of the border.
Seriously, what a half wit.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 21, 2025 11:40 AM (xCA6C)
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1. We arguably did win the War of 1812 based on the explicit goals of the war: to stop British impressment of American sailors.
2. General William Hull has been dead for a long time.
You can't make Canada the 51st state without going to war with them. And let me explain how that worked out the last time we tried to go to war with Canada. They burned the White House to the ground in 1814! And won the war! Canada beat us in the War of 1812! They probably like their chances against us. We're not going to beat them in a war because we have never been able to do that.
They were big mad about the lack of Tim Horton's south of the border.
Seriously, what a half wit.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 21, 2025 11:40 AM (xCA6C)
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1. We arguably did win the War of 1812 based on the explicit goals of the war: to stop British impressment of American sailors.
2. General William Hull has been dead for a long time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:41 AM (GBKbO)
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Sen. Mark Kelly is having a snit fit about Elon Musk, so the Democrat senator just announced that he’s de-transitioning from his electric Tesla to a big, gas-guzzling SUV.
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Trump you Magnificent Bastard
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Trump you Magnificent Bastard
Posted by: ... at March 21, 2025 11:41 AM (YM17H)
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Investigative journalist Bad Kitty Unleashed reported on Thursday that Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts is involved in an invite-only club for elite judges in Washington, DC. The elitist club America Inns of Court also includes the radical America-hating judges James Boasberg, Beryl Howell, Ketanji Brown Jackson, and Amit Mehta—all hard-left judges and Trump-haters.
Posted by: SMOD at March 21, 2025 11:41 AM (RHGPo)
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Mebbe something like board members and executive suite officers that make disastrous decisions like this should have 90 percent of their direct financial payments clawed back to the date of those disastrous decisions. Right now, none of those directors nor the executive suite has skin in the game. So they float from disaster to disaster just like government.
In addition, I think you are going to have to strip voting rights (require opt in from fund participants) from the big State Streets, Blackrock, Vanguard funds.
They are the real villains denuding companies of value like Ford along with the federal government.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:11 AM (ctrM5)
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I thought that is what being paid in stocks was supposed to do as an incentive to make better decisions.
In reality if you are set for life and no crappy decision making will prevent you from being set for life, there really isn't any monetary incentive to make correct decisions. Other than just a overwhelming desire to win, only real incentive is embarrassment, but that doesn't work nowadays.
In addition, I think you are going to have to strip voting rights (require opt in from fund participants) from the big State Streets, Blackrock, Vanguard funds.
They are the real villains denuding companies of value like Ford along with the federal government.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:11 AM (ctrM5)
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I thought that is what being paid in stocks was supposed to do as an incentive to make better decisions.
In reality if you are set for life and no crappy decision making will prevent you from being set for life, there really isn't any monetary incentive to make correct decisions. Other than just a overwhelming desire to win, only real incentive is embarrassment, but that doesn't work nowadays.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 21, 2025 11:41 AM (Vh9CX)
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They aren't hurting Musk. He's worth $327 billion dollars.
If Musk spent $1 million dollars a day for thirty years, he'd still have $325 billion dollars.
$1,000,000 x 365 equals $365,000,000.00
$365,000,000 x 10 equals $10,950,000,000.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:40 AM (xnytv)
No, man. You don't get it. Every Tesla that gets torched costs Elon billions of dollars. And because he'll no longer be a billionaire, he'll have no say in government. He'll just simply walk away, defeated entirely. And then DOGE will be gone and everything will be reinstated and happy times will be here again.
Duh.
If Musk spent $1 million dollars a day for thirty years, he'd still have $325 billion dollars.
$1,000,000 x 365 equals $365,000,000.00
$365,000,000 x 10 equals $10,950,000,000.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:40 AM (xnytv)
No, man. You don't get it. Every Tesla that gets torched costs Elon billions of dollars. And because he'll no longer be a billionaire, he'll have no say in government. He'll just simply walk away, defeated entirely. And then DOGE will be gone and everything will be reinstated and happy times will be here again.
Duh.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (KbCG3)
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Simple fix, get rid of EPA.
Posted by: Pudinhead
You can as I think that agency was established by executive order but some agency will have to be tasked to statutory obligations to regulate using the Clean Water Act and the Clean Air Act. Arguably, the Feds could push all that regulatory power down to the states (every state pretty much has an environmental regulatory agency) but then you would get whackos that destroy the national economy which California's grandfathered agency has already demonstrated a path to madness.
One national standard is arguably better than 50 state ones.
Posted by: Pudinhead
You can as I think that agency was established by executive order but some agency will have to be tasked to statutory obligations to regulate using the Clean Water Act and the Clean Air Act. Arguably, the Feds could push all that regulatory power down to the states (every state pretty much has an environmental regulatory agency) but then you would get whackos that destroy the national economy which California's grandfathered agency has already demonstrated a path to madness.
One national standard is arguably better than 50 state ones.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (ctrM5)
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Re: 160
REVEALED: Chief Justice John Roberts Caught in Secretive, Invite-Only Club of Elite Judges and Lawyers That Includes James Boasberg, Beryl Howell, Amit Mehta and Ketanji Brown Jackson
Investigative journalist Bad Kitty Unleashed reported on Thursday that Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts is involved in a secretive, invite-only club for elite judges in Washington, DC.
The secretive club America Inns of Court also includes the radical America-hating judges James Boasberg, Beryl Howell, Ketanji Brown Jackson, and Amit Mehta—all hard-left judges and Trump-haters.
John Roberts has been Chief Justice of the Supreme Court since September 2005. What in the world is he doing fraternizing in a secret group with far-left colleagues?. . .
REVEALED: Chief Justice John Roberts Caught in Secretive, Invite-Only Club of Elite Judges and Lawyers That Includes James Boasberg, Beryl Howell, Amit Mehta and Ketanji Brown Jackson
Investigative journalist Bad Kitty Unleashed reported on Thursday that Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts is involved in a secretive, invite-only club for elite judges in Washington, DC.
The secretive club America Inns of Court also includes the radical America-hating judges James Boasberg, Beryl Howell, Ketanji Brown Jackson, and Amit Mehta—all hard-left judges and Trump-haters.
John Roberts has been Chief Justice of the Supreme Court since September 2005. What in the world is he doing fraternizing in a secret group with far-left colleagues?. . .
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (Cki93)
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That art thread picture was fancy/snazzy. Sorry to miss it.
Admittedly I am hardly sophisticated and artsy but I looked at that picture a long time and cannot figure out how its an allegory of ANYTHING, let alone Italy.
Admittedly I am hardly sophisticated and artsy but I looked at that picture a long time and cannot figure out how its an allegory of ANYTHING, let alone Italy.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (2VST1)
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Only Elon has ever made a dollar on EVs.
Not the PRC
Not Ford
Not GM
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:13 AM (gbOdA)
Without massive subsidies, nobody makes money on EVs. Tesla merely had the first-mover advantage and hoovered up a bunch of taxpayer cash.
Not the PRC
Not Ford
Not GM
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:13 AM (gbOdA)
Without massive subsidies, nobody makes money on EVs. Tesla merely had the first-mover advantage and hoovered up a bunch of taxpayer cash.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (iwhil)
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We'll never know now because all the research money, time, space, and energy is taken by EVs.
Akshually, the Feds (meaning you and I) dumped a bunch of money into hydrogen infrastructure research about 20 years ago. They made progress, but there are still very big problems. It isn't always the case that money controls the pace of progress.
Akshually, the Feds (meaning you and I) dumped a bunch of money into hydrogen infrastructure research about 20 years ago. They made progress, but there are still very big problems. It isn't always the case that money controls the pace of progress.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (xCA6C)
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This also goes to why the death of NASA is so personal to the left and why they hate SpaceX so, so much:
NASA was always their go-to example of why we absolutely must fund "science" with massive government spending:
NASA put a man on the Moon and that would never have been possible with private funding.
True. And they've done jack-shit since. Despite how many billions, maybe trillions?
SpaceX doing what they always insisted only government could do is a right solid kick where their balls used to be.
NASA was always their go-to example of why we absolutely must fund "science" with massive government spending:
NASA put a man on the Moon and that would never have been possible with private funding.
True. And they've done jack-shit since. Despite how many billions, maybe trillions?
SpaceX doing what they always insisted only government could do is a right solid kick where their balls used to be.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (apAvM)
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What sort of "freedom" is it to live in a nation where we are forced to own automobiles? I resent the fact that I must own an automobile to be considered a fully functional adult in this society.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (JCZqz)
You could always try some nice muslim country. I hear the huts are lovely.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (JCZqz)
You could always try some nice muslim country. I hear the huts are lovely.
Posted by: ... at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (YM17H)
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No, man. You don't get it. Every Tesla that gets torched costs Elon billions of dollars. And because he'll no longer be a billionaire, he'll have no say in government. He'll just simply walk away, defeated entirely. And then DOGE will be gone and everything will be reinstated and happy times will be here again.
Duh.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
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Oh, the underpants gnome theory of political retaliation.
Duh.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
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Oh, the underpants gnome theory of political retaliation.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (ctrM5)
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I don't think hydrogen will ever become a fuel in the traditional IC sense for vehicles. Too difficult to manage H2 gas even for fuel cell operations.
The molecules are so small, they are hard to contain. Leaks all the time.
The molecules are so small, they are hard to contain. Leaks all the time.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (tRBgL)
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If Musk spent $1 million dollars a day for thirty years, he'd still have $325 billion dollars.
$1,000,000 x 365 equals $365,000,000.00
$365,000,000 x 10 equals $10,950,000,000.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:40 AM (xnytv)
X (twitter) is worth almost $50 B.
It could be worth 4X that with an Arm to create content (think Amazon).
$1,000,000 x 365 equals $365,000,000.00
$365,000,000 x 10 equals $10,950,000,000.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:40 AM (xnytv)
X (twitter) is worth almost $50 B.
It could be worth 4X that with an Arm to create content (think Amazon).
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (gbOdA)
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OT from Insty:
Junior associate at big law firm FAFO:
http://tiny.cc/166e001
The sense of entitlement is amazing. Extra funny since almost everyone at those firms is a leftwing democrat anyway
Posted by: brak at March 21, 2025 11:36 AM (jGJov)
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Skadden and Paul, Weiss are major law firms with thousands of lawyers world-wide. I may have worked at one of them back in the day.
I strongly suspect this sourpuss sourcunt Rachel Cohen had already made the decision to leave, and this was a way of making a dramatic exit, with the hopes of getting showered with praise, and setting herself up for a cushy job at some non-profit. I suspect she knows Daddy's Money will ensure she doesn't starve.
https://www.skadden.com/professionals/c/cohen-rachel
Junior associate at big law firm FAFO:
http://tiny.cc/166e001
The sense of entitlement is amazing. Extra funny since almost everyone at those firms is a leftwing democrat anyway
Posted by: brak at March 21, 2025 11:36 AM (jGJov)
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Skadden and Paul, Weiss are major law firms with thousands of lawyers world-wide. I may have worked at one of them back in the day.
I strongly suspect this sourpuss sourcunt Rachel Cohen had already made the decision to leave, and this was a way of making a dramatic exit, with the hopes of getting showered with praise, and setting herself up for a cushy job at some non-profit. I suspect she knows Daddy's Money will ensure she doesn't starve.
https://www.skadden.com/professionals/c/cohen-rachel
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 21, 2025 11:43 AM (iFTx/)
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IIRC - The Montana National Guard would win in a War against Canada, according to Military Experts.
Montana has a population of just over 1 million people.
Montana has a population of just over 1 million people.
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2025 11:43 AM (GIkaP)
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Hydrogen powered cars?
Take petroleum and lose some efficiency by making/compressing hydrogen. Then put these volitle bombs in mobile carriers that get worse mileage than the petroleum that was replaced. Violates the second law of thermodynamics and the law of common sense. So perfect for proggies.
Take petroleum and lose some efficiency by making/compressing hydrogen. Then put these volitle bombs in mobile carriers that get worse mileage than the petroleum that was replaced. Violates the second law of thermodynamics and the law of common sense. So perfect for proggies.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at March 21, 2025 11:43 AM (17s+e)
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1. We arguably did win the War of 1812 based on the explicit goals of the war: to stop British impressment of American sailors.
2. General William Hull has been dead for a long time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:41 AM (GBKbO)
Trump is an unhinged maniac who will blow up the world.
The Canadians are a very sensible, great people.
This is why they'll win the war.
2. General William Hull has been dead for a long time.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:41 AM (GBKbO)
Trump is an unhinged maniac who will blow up the world.
The Canadians are a very sensible, great people.
This is why they'll win the war.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 21, 2025 11:43 AM (KbCG3)
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You can't make Canada the 51st state without going to war with them. And let me explain how that worked out the last time we tried to go to war with Canada. They burned the White House to the ground in 1814! And won the war! Canada beat us in the War of 1812! They probably like their chances against us. We're not going to beat them in a war because we have never been able to do that.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2025 11:38 AM (L/fGl)
I'm on your side.
I'll watch for the tanks and aircraft.
But seriously, just nuke every capital city and every city over a million. It'll make things so much easier,,.,
You can't make Canada the 51st state without going to war with them. And let me explain how that worked out the last time we tried to go to war with Canada. They burned the White House to the ground in 1814! And won the war! Canada beat us in the War of 1812! They probably like their chances against us. We're not going to beat them in a war because we have never been able to do that.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2025 11:38 AM (L/fGl)
I'm on your side.
I'll watch for the tanks and aircraft.
But seriously, just nuke every capital city and every city over a million. It'll make things so much easier,,.,
Posted by: Stateless...63% - mental state clawing up from 10% at March 21, 2025 11:44 AM (jvJvP)
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183 I don't think hydrogen will ever become a fuel in the traditional IC sense for vehicles. Too difficult to manage H2 gas even for fuel cell operations.
The molecules are so small, they are hard to contain. Leaks all the time.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (tRBgL)
H2 is about 10X more $$$ that natural gas.
The molecules are so small, they are hard to contain. Leaks all the time.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (tRBgL)
H2 is about 10X more $$$ that natural gas.
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:44 AM (gbOdA)
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John Roberts has been Chief Justice of the Supreme Court since September 2005. What in the world is he doing fraternizing in a secret group with far-left colleagues?. . .
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (Cki93)
I don't know but I would guess the word depraved will be in there somewhere.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (Cki93)
I don't know but I would guess the word depraved will be in there somewhere.
Posted by: ... at March 21, 2025 11:44 AM (YM17H)
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Natural gas vehicles are ok in the right locales. They do have a lot less torque. They will not work in hot climates. I had a fleet in Arizona and constantly had pistons being burned through.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 21, 2025 11:44 AM (tRBgL)
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>>Admittedly I am hardly sophisticated and artsy but I looked at that picture a long time and cannot figure out how its an allegory of ANYTHING, let alone Italy.
I don't know how you make an Allegorical Representation of Italy without a wheelbarrow?
I don't know how you make an Allegorical Representation of Italy without a wheelbarrow?
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2025 11:44 AM (GIkaP)
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One national standard is arguably better than 50 state ones.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (ctrM5)
Where in the Constitution is Congress granted authority to regulate clean air and water?
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (ctrM5)
Where in the Constitution is Congress granted authority to regulate clean air and water?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 21, 2025 11:44 AM (iwhil)
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182 No, man. You don't get it. Every Tesla that gets torched costs Elon billions of dollars. And because he'll no longer be a billionaire, he'll have no say in government. He'll just simply walk away, defeated entirely. And then DOGE will be gone and everything will be reinstated and happy times will be here again.
Duh.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
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Oh, the underpants gnome theory of political retaliation.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (ctrM5)
Do you expect anything more from our liberal cousins?
Duh.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer
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Oh, the underpants gnome theory of political retaliation.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (ctrM5)
Do you expect anything more from our liberal cousins?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 21, 2025 11:44 AM (KbCG3)
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Sell your Teslas, dump your stock, join the picket lines,” it says. “Hurting Tesla is stopping Musk. Stopping Musk will help save lives and our democracy. The stakes couldn’t be higher. No one is coming to save us — not politicians, not the media.”
They are trying to convince everyone that their pathetic efforts are crippling Tesla sales and resales. I hate to break it to them but EV resales are already almost nonexistent.
They are trying to convince everyone that their pathetic efforts are crippling Tesla sales and resales. I hate to break it to them but EV resales are already almost nonexistent.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 11:44 AM (2VST1)
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>>They aren't hurting Musk. He's worth $327 billion dollars.
They are terrorizing everyone who's bought a Tesla and/or invested in the company. They will terrorize everyone he does business with and employs.
This is Alinksy tactics, picking a target, freezing it, polarizing it.
They did this with Trump by prosecuting and disbarring all of his lawyers, etc..
It is disgusting.
They are terrorizing everyone who's bought a Tesla and/or invested in the company. They will terrorize everyone he does business with and employs.
This is Alinksy tactics, picking a target, freezing it, polarizing it.
They did this with Trump by prosecuting and disbarring all of his lawyers, etc..
It is disgusting.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:44 AM (Cki93)
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1. We arguably did win the War of 1812 based on the explicit goals of the war: to stop British impressment of American sailors.
IIRC, the Brits never formally agreed to stop impressment. There was an unwritten understanding, but more importantly, they'd disposed of Nappy B by then, so there was less need for impressment.
IIRC, the Brits never formally agreed to stop impressment. There was an unwritten understanding, but more importantly, they'd disposed of Nappy B by then, so there was less need for impressment.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 21, 2025 11:44 AM (xCA6C)
Posted by: Kindltot at March 21, 2025 11:45 AM (D7oie)
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Democrat Senator Elissa Slotkin rips AOC, Bernie, and Jasmine Crockett to shreds.
"What have they actually done to change the situation with Donald Trump?"
"All of those things require me to be more than just an AOC."
"What have they actually done to change the situation with Donald Trump?"
"All of those things require me to be more than just an AOC."
Posted by: SMOD at March 21, 2025 11:45 AM (RHGPo)
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Oh, the underpants gnome theory of political retaliation.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (ctrM5)
It's not about Musk. It's intimidation against anyone thinking about becoming another Trump.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (ctrM5)
It's not about Musk. It's intimidation against anyone thinking about becoming another Trump.
Posted by: ... at March 21, 2025 11:46 AM (YM17H)
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Hydrogen powered cars?
Take petroleum and lose some efficiency by making/compressing hydrogen. Then put these volitle bombs in mobile carriers that get worse mileage than the petroleum that was replaced. Violates the second law of thermodynamics and the law of common sense. So perfect for proggies.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at March 21, 2025 11:43 AM (17s+e)
Well, the product of combustion is H2O which we all know is a worse greenhouse gas than CO2.
-- Mother Gaia Worshipers
Take petroleum and lose some efficiency by making/compressing hydrogen. Then put these volitle bombs in mobile carriers that get worse mileage than the petroleum that was replaced. Violates the second law of thermodynamics and the law of common sense. So perfect for proggies.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at March 21, 2025 11:43 AM (17s+e)
Well, the product of combustion is H2O which we all know is a worse greenhouse gas than CO2.
-- Mother Gaia Worshipers
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at March 21, 2025 11:46 AM (AiZBA)
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I had a fleet in Arizona and constantly had pistons being burned through.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 21, 2025 11:44 AM (tRBgL)
Gas or Diesel?
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 21, 2025 11:44 AM (tRBgL)
Gas or Diesel?
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:46 AM (gbOdA)
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John Roberts has been Chief Justice of the Supreme Court since September 2005. What in the world is he doing fraternizing in a secret group with far-left colleagues?. . .
Posted by: Lizzy
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Semi scientific, wild assed guess, Answer, his wife. Roberts has a basic conflict of interest with his wife serving as a law firm headhunter in DC to the elite firms. Those elite firms, in turn, spend a lot of time in front of those very leftist asshole judges in the rotten borough of DC. Thus, Robert's wife makes her huge salary by finding the right legal beagles to please those DC judicial despots into giving them favorable decisions. Easier if hubby jollies them around at private functions is my guess. The old DC reach around strategy.
Posted by: Lizzy
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Semi scientific, wild assed guess, Answer, his wife. Roberts has a basic conflict of interest with his wife serving as a law firm headhunter in DC to the elite firms. Those elite firms, in turn, spend a lot of time in front of those very leftist asshole judges in the rotten borough of DC. Thus, Robert's wife makes her huge salary by finding the right legal beagles to please those DC judicial despots into giving them favorable decisions. Easier if hubby jollies them around at private functions is my guess. The old DC reach around strategy.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:46 AM (ctrM5)
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POC == Person Of Color
AOC == As** " "
AOC == As** " "
Posted by: SMOD at March 21, 2025 11:47 AM (RHGPo)
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> They burned the White House to the ground in 1814!
Where do people get this shit?
Yes, the BRITISH Army torched the interior, but the original building is still standing.
"Canada" wasn't even a country then, and barely counts as one now.
Don Lemon and Joy Reid together. Now there's a combo that's guaranteed to get a surprise phone call from the King of Sweden... is it possible for an IQ to be negative?
Where do people get this shit?
Yes, the BRITISH Army torched the interior, but the original building is still standing.
"Canada" wasn't even a country then, and barely counts as one now.
Don Lemon and Joy Reid together. Now there's a combo that's guaranteed to get a surprise phone call from the King of Sweden... is it possible for an IQ to be negative?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 21, 2025 11:47 AM (W5ArC)
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Democrat Senator Elissa Slotkin rips AOC, Bernie, and Jasmine Crockett to shreds.
"What have they actually done to change the situation with Donald Trump?"
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Was just gaming out the other night with Brit Lass how a Democrat would go about getting "noticed" in this environment, and this was pretty much the exact sentence and sentiment. Wonder who is behind her.
"What have they actually done to change the situation with Donald Trump?"
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Was just gaming out the other night with Brit Lass how a Democrat would go about getting "noticed" in this environment, and this was pretty much the exact sentence and sentiment. Wonder who is behind her.
Posted by: ... at March 21, 2025 11:47 AM (YM17H)
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Montana's route to Canadian invasion runs through Alberta and Sask' (the one I can't spell). They can find plenty of friendly locals, and the terrain is obviously familiar. The question is how far into northern Ontario they get.
But Montana's war aims will not include southern Ontario.
But Montana's war aims will not include southern Ontario.
Posted by: gKWVE at March 21, 2025 11:47 AM (byeIv)
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‘ Meet Joan Donovan, speaker at the TeslaTakedown’
She could take down a Tesla by sitting on it.
‘ Meet Joan Donovan, speaker at the TeslaTakedown’
She could take down a Tesla by sitting on it.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 21, 2025 11:47 AM (jbnUc)
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198 IIRC, the Brits never formally agreed to stop impressment. There was an unwritten understanding, but more importantly, they'd disposed of Nappy B by then, so there was less need for impressment.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 21, 2025 11:44 AM (xCA6C)
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The War of 1812, from the British perspective, was another theater in the Napoleonic Wars.
So, ending impressment because Napoleon was defeated was just a natural progression of events.
Our efforts at fighting Britain probably never even accelerated the timeline.
But...that was the stated reason for the war, and Britain stopped doing it while we gave up no territory. So...we win.
Nevermind the unofficial aim of the war of taking Canada. It was never documented in formal government declarations of war.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 21, 2025 11:44 AM (xCA6C)
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The War of 1812, from the British perspective, was another theater in the Napoleonic Wars.
So, ending impressment because Napoleon was defeated was just a natural progression of events.
Our efforts at fighting Britain probably never even accelerated the timeline.
But...that was the stated reason for the war, and Britain stopped doing it while we gave up no territory. So...we win.
Nevermind the unofficial aim of the war of taking Canada. It was never documented in formal government declarations of war.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:47 AM (GBKbO)
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What sort of "freedom" is it to live in a nation where we are forced to own automobiles? I resent the fact that I must own an automobile to be considered a fully functional adult in this society.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (JCZqz
"I'm not driving, I'm traveling!"
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (JCZqz
"I'm not driving, I'm traveling!"
Posted by: Sovereign Citizen at March 21, 2025 11:48 AM (y9ksN)
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What sort of "freedom" is it to live in a nation where we are forced to own automobiles? I resent the fact that I must own an automobile to be considered a fully functional adult in this society.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (JCZqz)
You could always try some nice muslim country. I hear the huts are lovely.
Posted by: ...
Who is forcing them? Call an f'n Uber. Nobody gives a shit if you own or don't own a car.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 21, 2025 11:34 AM (JCZqz)
You could always try some nice muslim country. I hear the huts are lovely.
Posted by: ...
Who is forcing them? Call an f'n Uber. Nobody gives a shit if you own or don't own a car.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:48 AM (xnytv)
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Roberts apparently has been a member of a Judge-club (like the Rotary, or a PAC you know) who's president is Boasberg.
Completely dedicated to the left, completely compromised.
Posted by: Kindltot
Roberts has always seemed like a weak spined establishmentarian focused on NOT rocking the boat too much. Historically, when strong presidents have REALLY threatened SCOTUS, it has backed down (looking at you, FDR).
I think Robert's is smart enough to realize Trump will start openly ignoring the courts, without consequence, if they continue their rampant, ideologically-based encroachment of Executive duties. He doesn't want that, and so, eventually, will buckle, but in such a way as to try and limit the long-term diminishment of the court's standing.
Completely dedicated to the left, completely compromised.
Posted by: Kindltot
Roberts has always seemed like a weak spined establishmentarian focused on NOT rocking the boat too much. Historically, when strong presidents have REALLY threatened SCOTUS, it has backed down (looking at you, FDR).
I think Robert's is smart enough to realize Trump will start openly ignoring the courts, without consequence, if they continue their rampant, ideologically-based encroachment of Executive duties. He doesn't want that, and so, eventually, will buckle, but in such a way as to try and limit the long-term diminishment of the court's standing.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at March 21, 2025 11:48 AM (JCZqz)
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212 Who is forcing them? Call an f'n Uber. Nobody gives a shit if you own or don't own a car.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:48 AM (xnytv)
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"The world must come to me."
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:48 AM (xnytv)
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"The world must come to me."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:48 AM (GBKbO)
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Breaking: Julie Kelly is awesome.
Posted by: 13times at March 21, 2025 11:48 AM (U4N2w)
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Joyless Reid explained as follows:
First of all, you can’t make Canada the 51st state without going to war with them.
Let me explain how that happened, how that worked out the last time we tried to go to war with Canada.
They burned the White House to the ground in 1814 and won the war! Canada beat us in the War of 1812. They probably like their chances against us.
First of all, you can’t make Canada the 51st state without going to war with them.
Let me explain how that happened, how that worked out the last time we tried to go to war with Canada.
They burned the White House to the ground in 1814 and won the war! Canada beat us in the War of 1812. They probably like their chances against us.
Posted by: SMOD at March 21, 2025 11:48 AM (RHGPo)
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I've always wanted to drive a diesel/electric submarine, but so far, nobody has handed me the keys for one of those.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 21, 2025 11:12 AM (vOJ4/)
Nuclear/electric submarines are way better.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 21, 2025 11:12 AM (vOJ4/)
Nuclear/electric submarines are way better.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 21, 2025 11:48 AM (ExV1e)
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IIRC - The Montana National Guard would win in a War against Canada, according to Military Experts.
Montana has a population of just over 1 million people.
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2025 11:43 AM (GIkaP)
When my brother was in the MT Guard (after his time in the 82nd Airborne) during the war, it was a pretty high-speed unit. They went to Iraq twice.
Montana has a population of just over 1 million people.
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2025 11:43 AM (GIkaP)
When my brother was in the MT Guard (after his time in the 82nd Airborne) during the war, it was a pretty high-speed unit. They went to Iraq twice.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at March 21, 2025 11:48 AM (pJbQu)
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Don Lemon and Joy Reid together. Now there's a combo that's guaranteed to get a surprise phone call from the King of Sweden... is it possible for an IQ to be negative?
I'm envisioning a binary star system, where the larger star is sucking matter away from the smaller one.
I'm envisioning a binary star system, where the larger star is sucking matter away from the smaller one.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 21, 2025 11:48 AM (xCA6C)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 21, 2025 11:48 AM (W5ArC)
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One national standard is arguably better than 50 state ones.
While I don't disagree in principle, the way the EPA works right now is flat out unconstitutional. IF they had a policy of only dealing with cross-state or border environmental issues, there might be a basis for it. But again I fear that mission creep would lead to abuse of power in short order.
For example, the EPA started with oceans and rivers, stuff like that. The Columbia River goes through two states. The Mississippi through 32 states (more, if you properly consider it the Missouri river). So the EPA said "OK this river is multi-state, which makes it federal, so we can regulate issues involving this river in its interstate effects."
Then they said "since we can regulate the river, we also have to regulate the tributaries and streams that feed INTO the river". Then they said "ALL WATER IN EVERY STATE eventually leads to rivers and oceans, so we can regulate how you dig wells in your back yard."
The feds have to be watched like a raging fire.
While I don't disagree in principle, the way the EPA works right now is flat out unconstitutional. IF they had a policy of only dealing with cross-state or border environmental issues, there might be a basis for it. But again I fear that mission creep would lead to abuse of power in short order.
For example, the EPA started with oceans and rivers, stuff like that. The Columbia River goes through two states. The Mississippi through 32 states (more, if you properly consider it the Missouri river). So the EPA said "OK this river is multi-state, which makes it federal, so we can regulate issues involving this river in its interstate effects."
Then they said "since we can regulate the river, we also have to regulate the tributaries and streams that feed INTO the river". Then they said "ALL WATER IN EVERY STATE eventually leads to rivers and oceans, so we can regulate how you dig wells in your back yard."
The feds have to be watched like a raging fire.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 11:49 AM (2VST1)
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>>Semi scientific, wild assed guess, Answer, his wife. Roberts has a basic conflict of interest with his wife serving as a law firm headhunter in DC to the elite firms. Those elite firms, in turn, spend a lot of time in front of those very leftist asshole judges in the rotten borough of DC. Thus, Robert's wife makes her huge salary by finding the right legal beagles to please those DC judicial despots into giving them favorable decisions. Easier if hubby jollies them around at private functions is my guess. The old DC reach around strategy.
Aha!
Of course it's his wife.
If we knew the names and occupations of every DC politician and government leader's spouse (and other immediate family?) we would understand exactly why everything is so f'd.
Aha!
Of course it's his wife.
If we knew the names and occupations of every DC politician and government leader's spouse (and other immediate family?) we would understand exactly why everything is so f'd.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:49 AM (Cki93)
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Montana's route to Canadian invasion runs through Alberta and Sask' (the one I can't spell). They can find plenty of friendly locals, and the terrain is obviously familiar. The question is how far into northern Ontario they get.
But Montana's war aims will not include southern Ontario.
Posted by: gKWVE
Saskatchewan the province or Saskatoon the city.
But Montana's war aims will not include southern Ontario.
Posted by: gKWVE
Saskatchewan the province or Saskatoon the city.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:49 AM (xnytv)
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Musk owns just under 13%.
Vanguard Group 8
BlackRock 6
State Street 4
Geode Capital Management 2
Capital World Investors 2
So hurting TSLA hurts retirees and people trying to save money.
Vanguard Group 8
BlackRock 6
State Street 4
Geode Capital Management 2
Capital World Investors 2
So hurting TSLA hurts retirees and people trying to save money.
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:50 AM (gbOdA)
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I don't think hydrogen will ever become a fuel in the traditional IC sense for vehicles. Too difficult to manage H2 gas even for fuel cell operations.
The molecules are so small, they are hard to contain. Leaks all the time.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (tRBgL)
The low energy density makes it unusable.
The molecules are so small, they are hard to contain. Leaks all the time.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (tRBgL)
The low energy density makes it unusable.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 21, 2025 11:50 AM (iwhil)
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The Montana National Guard would win in a War against Canada, according to Military Experts.
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2025 11:43 AM (GIkaP)
Forget that, the Madonna National Guard could take Canada.
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2025 11:43 AM (GIkaP)
Forget that, the Madonna National Guard could take Canada.
Posted by: ... at March 21, 2025 11:50 AM (YM17H)
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I'm starting to wonder whether these losses are real losses, or on-paper fake losses. Or maybe some of both. In the same way that Hollywood movies can gross a billion dollars but somehow barely break even, I'm sure there's lots of fake accounting going on at Ford to show huge losses for tax purposes, and to try to gin up a yuge bailout (which won't happen under Trump).
Posted by: Elric Blade
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Real. Ford spent a lot of money (and TN taxpayer money) on an EV plant around Memphis TN that will never open. R&D funds spent to electrify while ignoring the IC engines. EVs that cannot be sold at a profit recovering the labor, parts, and capital investment that Ford put into them. And so on.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:14 AM (ctrM5)
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Even more critical is they stood down ICE vehicle engineering support to ramp up EV engineering support. They no longer have the engineering support to support their ICE vehicles, and the standard F150 has had some problems as a result. They have a bunch of EV engineers they no longer need. And the ICE engineers are gone. Ford is truly fucked. It's an asteroid moment.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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Real. Ford spent a lot of money (and TN taxpayer money) on an EV plant around Memphis TN that will never open. R&D funds spent to electrify while ignoring the IC engines. EVs that cannot be sold at a profit recovering the labor, parts, and capital investment that Ford put into them. And so on.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:14 AM (ctrM5)
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Even more critical is they stood down ICE vehicle engineering support to ramp up EV engineering support. They no longer have the engineering support to support their ICE vehicles, and the standard F150 has had some problems as a result. They have a bunch of EV engineers they no longer need. And the ICE engineers are gone. Ford is truly fucked. It's an asteroid moment.
Posted by: Black JEM at March 21, 2025 11:50 AM (GZYu7)
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To that point, Mr. CBD sent me this quote: ”Imagine we lived in a world where all cars were EVs, and then along comes a new invention, the ‘internal combustion engine!’ Think how well that would sell: A vehicle half the weight, half the price that will almost quarter the damage done to the road. A vehicle that can be refueled in 1/10th of the time and has a range of up to 4 times the distance in all weather conditions. It does not rely on the environmentally damaging use of non-renewable rare earth elements to power it, and it uses far less steel and other materials. Just think how excited people would be for such technology. It would sell like hotcakes.”
We actually had that world. Before the advent of the ICE, Prime thought that the horseless carriages would be electric. Edison was actually working on that when Henry Ford - who worked for Edison at the time - was working on his own ICE. Edison liked the idea, and encouraged Ford to keep at it.
We actually had that world. Before the advent of the ICE, Prime thought that the horseless carriages would be electric. Edison was actually working on that when Henry Ford - who worked for Edison at the time - was working on his own ICE. Edison liked the idea, and encouraged Ford to keep at it.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 21, 2025 11:51 AM (cqO0M)
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Nobody wants to buy your EVs here, Louie!
Posted by: Penelope Witherspoon at March 21, 2025 11:14 AM (vOJ4/)
Why didn't Billy Ray get her as part of the deal also?
Posted by: Penelope Witherspoon at March 21, 2025 11:14 AM (vOJ4/)
Why didn't Billy Ray get her as part of the deal also?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 21, 2025 11:51 AM (ExV1e)
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John Roberts has been Chief Justice of the Supreme Court since September 2005. What in the world is he doing fraternizing in a secret group with far-left colleagues?. . .
Posted by: Lizzy
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Semi scientific, wild assed guess, Answer, his wife. Roberts has a basic conflict of interest with his wife serving as a law firm headhunter in DC to the elite firms. Those elite firms, in turn, spend a lot of time in front of those very leftist asshole judges in the rotten borough of DC. Thus, Robert's wife makes her huge salary by finding the right legal beagles to please those DC judicial despots into giving them favorable decisions. Easier if hubby jollies them around at private functions is my guess. The old DC reach around strategy.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:46 AM (ctrM5)
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DC is just a writhing grundle of maggots with everyone sucking each other's dicks while rolling around in each others sweat and slime. Maggots gonna maggot.
It's incredible the obvious and blatant conflicts of interest these judges have. Literally every one of the Hawaiian Judges has some close relative(s) making piles of money off the get-Trump decisions.
Posted by: Lizzy
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Semi scientific, wild assed guess, Answer, his wife. Roberts has a basic conflict of interest with his wife serving as a law firm headhunter in DC to the elite firms. Those elite firms, in turn, spend a lot of time in front of those very leftist asshole judges in the rotten borough of DC. Thus, Robert's wife makes her huge salary by finding the right legal beagles to please those DC judicial despots into giving them favorable decisions. Easier if hubby jollies them around at private functions is my guess. The old DC reach around strategy.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:46 AM (ctrM5)
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DC is just a writhing grundle of maggots with everyone sucking each other's dicks while rolling around in each others sweat and slime. Maggots gonna maggot.
It's incredible the obvious and blatant conflicts of interest these judges have. Literally every one of the Hawaiian Judges has some close relative(s) making piles of money off the get-Trump decisions.
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 21, 2025 11:51 AM (iFTx/)
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I don't think hydrogen will ever become a fuel in the traditional IC sense for vehicles. Too difficult to manage H2 gas even for fuel cell operations.
The molecules are so small, they are hard to contain. Leaks all the time.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (tRBgL)
Okay, smart guy, electrons are smaller than hydrogen atoms. How come they don't leak all OVER the place?
The molecules are so small, they are hard to contain. Leaks all the time.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (tRBgL)
Okay, smart guy, electrons are smaller than hydrogen atoms. How come they don't leak all OVER the place?
Posted by: Archimedes at March 21, 2025 11:51 AM (xCA6C)
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For every Tesla they burn, the insurers have to buy another Tesla. (unless maybe they call it an act of terrorism and there is some hidden clause in the policy about terrorism)
Posted by: illiniwek at March 21, 2025 11:51 AM (Cus5s)
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>>For example, the EPA started with oceans and rivers, stuff like that. The Columbia River goes through two states.
Two?
The Clark's Fork of the Columbia River reaches almost all of the way to Butte Montana.
Two?
The Clark's Fork of the Columbia River reaches almost all of the way to Butte Montana.
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2025 11:51 AM (GIkaP)
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Natural gas or propane? Not the same thing.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
Propane, obviously.
-- Hank Hill
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
Propane, obviously.
-- Hank Hill
Posted by: Bulg at March 21, 2025 11:52 AM (77rzZ)
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You don't have to shoot the terrorist. Simply snipe the cocktail as it's being lit.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:21 AM (xnytv)
Ranks right up there with shooting the gun out of their hand. Easy peasy
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:21 AM (xnytv)
Ranks right up there with shooting the gun out of their hand. Easy peasy
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 21, 2025 11:52 AM (FCbAQ)
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It's not about Musk. It's intimidation against anyone thinking about becoming another Trump.
Posted by: ...
The left is going to lose there. Simply put, greed triumphs over fear among people at that level. Musk, is not per se, greedy but he wants to go to Mars and it is obvious that the Dems have no intentions of letting Musk control the heavens.
Lot harder to attack less obvious targets like Larry Ellison because Ellison sells to corporations, not individuals. Or investors, Ackman could give a shit less what the lefties say or do because he has no general consumers that affect business.
I think the whole assassination of United's CEO has basically soured the oligarchs on leftists because they did not spend all their time and effort to become fabulously rich and powerful in order to grovel before a bunch of stinky asshole lefties.
You will see whack a mole policies on street level terrorists and perhaps defunding via RICO, etc. as many of the lefty financial pez machines are vulnerable to criminal and civil actions by the Trump admin.
Posted by: ...
The left is going to lose there. Simply put, greed triumphs over fear among people at that level. Musk, is not per se, greedy but he wants to go to Mars and it is obvious that the Dems have no intentions of letting Musk control the heavens.
Lot harder to attack less obvious targets like Larry Ellison because Ellison sells to corporations, not individuals. Or investors, Ackman could give a shit less what the lefties say or do because he has no general consumers that affect business.
I think the whole assassination of United's CEO has basically soured the oligarchs on leftists because they did not spend all their time and effort to become fabulously rich and powerful in order to grovel before a bunch of stinky asshole lefties.
You will see whack a mole policies on street level terrorists and perhaps defunding via RICO, etc. as many of the lefty financial pez machines are vulnerable to criminal and civil actions by the Trump admin.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:52 AM (ctrM5)
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I think JQA was still complaining to a British functionary about sailors being impressed in the 1830's. Something like that.
Posted by: 13times at March 21, 2025 11:52 AM (U4N2w)
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One national standard is arguably better than 50 state ones.
*9th & 10th Amendments have entered the chat.
*9th & 10th Amendments have entered the chat.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:52 AM (xnytv)
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233 >>For example, the EPA started with oceans and rivers, stuff like that. The Columbia River goes through two states.
Two?
The Clark's Fork of the Columbia River reaches almost all of the way to Butte Montana.
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2025 11:51 AM (GIkaP)
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Pedantic recall of math rules:
"Runs through two states" does not preclude the idea that it runs through more. It does preclude the idea that it runs through less than two, though.
Two?
The Clark's Fork of the Columbia River reaches almost all of the way to Butte Montana.
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2025 11:51 AM (GIkaP)
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Pedantic recall of math rules:
"Runs through two states" does not preclude the idea that it runs through more. It does preclude the idea that it runs through less than two, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:53 AM (GBKbO)
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Don Lemon and Joy Reid together. Now there's a combo that's guaranteed to get a surprise phone call from the King of Sweden... is it possible for an IQ to be negative?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 21, 2025 11:47 AM (W5ArC)
So to add to negative. Makes a bigger (lower) number.
-50 + -50 = -100
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 21, 2025 11:47 AM (W5ArC)
So to add to negative. Makes a bigger (lower) number.
-50 + -50 = -100
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:53 AM (gbOdA)
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"Stop trying to make EVs happen. It's not going to happen."
Posted by: NR Pax at March 21, 2025 11:17 AM (mF3TZ)
But EVs are so fetch. -- Gretchen Wieners
Posted by: NR Pax at March 21, 2025 11:17 AM (mF3TZ)
But EVs are so fetch. -- Gretchen Wieners
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 21, 2025 11:53 AM (ExV1e)
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It's incredible the obvious and blatant conflicts of interest these judges have. Literally every one of the Hawaiian Judges has some close relative(s) making piles of money off the get-Trump decisions.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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NYC is not much better in that respect. SD of NY has been corrupt for years.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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NYC is not much better in that respect. SD of NY has been corrupt for years.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 11:53 AM (ctrM5)
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Ranks right up there with shooting the gun out of their hand. Easy peasy
Posted by: OneEyedJack
Bet I could hit it with a 12 gauge from 50 ft across the parking lot.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
Bet I could hit it with a 12 gauge from 50 ft across the parking lot.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:54 AM (xnytv)
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In another blow to the global warming and anti-America terrorists, Trump is also pushing cheap clean coal and natural gas to rebuild our grid.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 21, 2025 11:54 AM (Cus5s)
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The War of 1812 had several causes but the main ones were these:
British decided that the seas belonged to them, and they could do pretty much whatever they damned well pleased at sea, especially because they had to survive against the French.
They further decided that any sailor on any ship that spoke English was probably an English deserter, especially if they had any tattoos that depicted any English ship. So they would routinely stop all US ships and search them for "deserters" and take whoever they damned well pleased, unless they had documentation proving they were US Citizens... and sometimes even if they did.
The other main cause (related) was that the British were really pissed off that American ships were neutral, and could take supplies into French harbors without interference, doing trade with the French through blockades etc. So they had a personal grudge that made them want to stop US ships and search them for deserters.
Most of England was pretty sympathetic toward the US, hating pressing sailors and not pleased with the treatment of the Navy toward Yanks. Much of the NE US didn't want the war because it resulted in blockades of Boston and New York, etc.
British decided that the seas belonged to them, and they could do pretty much whatever they damned well pleased at sea, especially because they had to survive against the French.
They further decided that any sailor on any ship that spoke English was probably an English deserter, especially if they had any tattoos that depicted any English ship. So they would routinely stop all US ships and search them for "deserters" and take whoever they damned well pleased, unless they had documentation proving they were US Citizens... and sometimes even if they did.
The other main cause (related) was that the British were really pissed off that American ships were neutral, and could take supplies into French harbors without interference, doing trade with the French through blockades etc. So they had a personal grudge that made them want to stop US ships and search them for deserters.
Most of England was pretty sympathetic toward the US, hating pressing sailors and not pleased with the treatment of the Navy toward Yanks. Much of the NE US didn't want the war because it resulted in blockades of Boston and New York, etc.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 11:54 AM (2VST1)
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222 >>Semi scientific, wild assed guess, Answer, his wife. Roberts has a basic conflict of interest with his wife serving as a law firm headhunter in DC to the elite firms. Those elite firms, in turn, spend a lot of time in front of those very leftist asshole judges in the rotten borough of DC. Thus, Robert's wife makes her huge salary by finding the right legal beagles to please those DC judicial despots into giving them favorable decisions. Easier if hubby jollies them around at private functions is my guess. The old DC reach around strategy.
Aha!
Of course it's his wife.
If we knew the names and occupations of every DC politician and government leader's spouse (and other immediate family?) we would understand exactly why everything is so f'd.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:49 AM (Cki93)
The dog that isn't barking here? We all know what the MFM told us about Ginnie Thomas causing those 'conflicts' for Clarence, and no money was involved there. Crickets from the MFM about Jane Roberts' conflicts. Chief Justice Roberts is a made man, in the club. That's why.
Aha!
Of course it's his wife.
If we knew the names and occupations of every DC politician and government leader's spouse (and other immediate family?) we would understand exactly why everything is so f'd.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:49 AM (Cki93)
The dog that isn't barking here? We all know what the MFM told us about Ginnie Thomas causing those 'conflicts' for Clarence, and no money was involved there. Crickets from the MFM about Jane Roberts' conflicts. Chief Justice Roberts is a made man, in the club. That's why.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 21, 2025 11:54 AM (cqO0M)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:55 AM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 21, 2025 11:55 AM (jbnUc)
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69 >>There's nothing fishy about Newsom pitching Salton Sea lithium extraction and media immediately dubbing it "Lithium Valley."
It's totally legit
I bet there's already snazzy merch with that
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:20 AM (Cki93)
That's where choo choo go
It's totally legit
I bet there's already snazzy merch with that
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:20 AM (Cki93)
That's where choo choo go
Posted by: Mongo at March 21, 2025 11:55 AM (pIfcn)
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Forget that, the Madonna National Guard could take Canada.
Posted by: ... at March 21, 2025 11:50 AM (YM17H)
While Vogueing
Posted by: ... at March 21, 2025 11:50 AM (YM17H)
While Vogueing
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:55 AM (gbOdA)
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Joy Reid and Don Lemon would cancel each other's brains out.
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at March 21, 2025 11:55 AM (kTd/k)
252
I had a fleet in Arizona and constantly had pistons being burned through.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 21, 2025 11:44 AM (tRBgL)
Gas or Diesel?
Posted by: rhennigantx
Natural gas.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 21, 2025 11:44 AM (tRBgL)
Gas or Diesel?
Posted by: rhennigantx
Natural gas.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 21, 2025 11:55 AM (tRBgL)
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]Ranks right up there with shooting the gun out of their hand. Easy peasy
Posted by: OneEyedJack
Bet I could hit it with a 12 gauge from 50 ft across the parking lot.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:54 AM (xnytv)
Whit phosphorus shot for the win.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
Bet I could hit it with a 12 gauge from 50 ft across the parking lot.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:54 AM (xnytv)
Whit phosphorus shot for the win.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at March 21, 2025 11:55 AM (AiZBA)
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Entitled liberal law associate F's around, F's out.
Entitled liberal associate makes enormous political demands of Skadden Arps’ leadership and gets immediately put on leave
https://is.gd/LpdbOJ
Entitled liberal associate makes enormous political demands of Skadden Arps’ leadership and gets immediately put on leave
https://is.gd/LpdbOJ
Posted by: Archimedes at March 21, 2025 11:55 AM (xCA6C)
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The ev thing and companies setting themselves on fire was pretty much all of a piece with everything else from entertainment to the DOJ.
Everyone believed there was a coup in 2020 and so they could do as they pleased and everyone would have to just knuckle under and eat it. They were preeminent and ruled all they surveyed.
Everyone believed there was a coup in 2020 and so they could do as they pleased and everyone would have to just knuckle under and eat it. They were preeminent and ruled all they surveyed.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 21, 2025 11:55 AM (/x6eu)
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255 The ev thing and companies setting themselves on fire was pretty much all of a piece with everything else from entertainment to the DOJ.
Everyone believed there was a coup in 2020 and so they could do as they pleased and everyone would have to just knuckle under and eat it. They were preeminent and ruled all they surveyed.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 21, 2025 11:55 AM (/x6eu)
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Or, the US government was paying for all of it directly through grants.
Everyone believed there was a coup in 2020 and so they could do as they pleased and everyone would have to just knuckle under and eat it. They were preeminent and ruled all they surveyed.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 21, 2025 11:55 AM (/x6eu)
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Or, the US government was paying for all of it directly through grants.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:56 AM (GBKbO)
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Thx Buck. Convincing the true believers in all electric vehicles is a near impossibility. Not only because they are economically and technologically illiterate , but many because they are leftists who simply want to destroy capitalism
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 21, 2025 11:56 AM (LVkqs)
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This is why I voted for Donald Trump…
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I voted for Trump because Project 2025 promised me that the government would force women to track their periods in an app.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
I voted for Trump so he'd finally put Sally Kohn in a camp.
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I voted for Trump because Project 2025 promised me that the government would force women to track their periods in an app.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
I voted for Trump so he'd finally put Sally Kohn in a camp.
Posted by: Stu Podaso at March 21, 2025 11:56 AM (M0V4/)
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Oh yeah, to add:
Since contempt is a criminal finding, and is held to the much higher criminal law standard of proof, it's immediately appealable.
Which all these commie fucking judges know they can't afford.
Cause not only does the criminal finding get subject to appellate review, but the underlying action as well, to examine whether contempt was warranted.
Which gets the whole thing put on hold while the appeal is pending.
Yeah, the DU dolts screaming for contempt don't know that's the very briar patch Trump is daring to be thrown into.
Trump is holding a royal straight flush and the left is going all in on a 2, 4, and 7 of mixed suites.
Since contempt is a criminal finding, and is held to the much higher criminal law standard of proof, it's immediately appealable.
Which all these commie fucking judges know they can't afford.
Cause not only does the criminal finding get subject to appellate review, but the underlying action as well, to examine whether contempt was warranted.
Which gets the whole thing put on hold while the appeal is pending.
Yeah, the DU dolts screaming for contempt don't know that's the very briar patch Trump is daring to be thrown into.
Trump is holding a royal straight flush and the left is going all in on a 2, 4, and 7 of mixed suites.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 21, 2025 11:56 AM (apAvM)
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I don't know but I would guess the word depraved will be in there somewhere.
Posted by: ... at March 21, 2025
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I'm depraved on account I'm deprived!
Posted by: ... at March 21, 2025
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I'm depraved on account I'm deprived!
Posted by: A Shark or a Jet, 1961 at March 21, 2025 11:56 AM (J2vNu)
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244 In another blow to the global warming and anti-America terrorists, Trump is also pushing cheap clean coal and natural gas to rebuild our grid.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 21, 2025 11:54 AM (Cus5s)
If we want to keep AI lead next 5 years it is the only way.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 21, 2025 11:54 AM (Cus5s)
If we want to keep AI lead next 5 years it is the only way.
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:56 AM (gbOdA)
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The Clark's Fork of the Columbia River reaches almost all of the way to Butte Montana.
Yeah but I was just referring to the main river, not tributaries and side streams.
Yeah but I was just referring to the main river, not tributaries and side streams.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 11:56 AM (2VST1)
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Then they said "since we can regulate the river, we also have to regulate the tributaries and streams that feed INTO the river". Then they said "ALL WATER IN EVERY STATE eventually leads to rivers and oceans, so we can regulate how you dig wells in your back yard."
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Guess how the Portuguese, French and Spain would stake a claim to land. Declare all drainage of a river as their land.
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Guess how the Portuguese, French and Spain would stake a claim to land. Declare all drainage of a river as their land.
Posted by: Pudinhead at March 21, 2025 11:57 AM (Hpgos)
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The Cybertruck Trump bought a couple weeks ago was a gift to his granddaughter Kai. She was on Youtube talking about how scary fast it is. Hope she doesn't get in a wreck. She's a fantastic golfer and seems to be a cool person.
Posted by: All In The Family at March 21, 2025 11:57 AM (G5+As)
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We still have our first generation Toyota RAV4 that we purchased new in 1996.
5-door, manual tranny, FWD. No power anything -- hand crank windows, manual seats, door locks, etc.
We flat-tow it behind the motorhome.
Great car for driving around locally once we get to where we are going.
5-door, manual tranny, FWD. No power anything -- hand crank windows, manual seats, door locks, etc.
We flat-tow it behind the motorhome.
Great car for driving around locally once we get to where we are going.
Posted by: one hour sober at March 21, 2025 11:57 AM (Y1sOo)
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For every Tesla they burn, the insurers have to buy another Tesla. (unless maybe they call it an act of terrorism and there is some hidden clause in the policy about terrorism)
Posted by: illiniwek at March 21, 2025 11:51 AM (Cus5s)
But that is, at best, a wash. One Tesla destroyed isn’t the same as one sold. Further, it will push up Tesla’s premiums (assuming they don’t just self-insure.)
Posted by: illiniwek at March 21, 2025 11:51 AM (Cus5s)
But that is, at best, a wash. One Tesla destroyed isn’t the same as one sold. Further, it will push up Tesla’s premiums (assuming they don’t just self-insure.)
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 21, 2025 11:57 AM (iwhil)
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The Clark's Fork of the Columbia River reaches almost all of the way to Butte Montana.
aka the ass end of nowhere.
aka the ass end of nowhere.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 21, 2025 11:57 AM (xCA6C)
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The registered hunters in Ohio could whip as on Canadistan.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at March 21, 2025 11:58 AM (17s+e)
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Amtrak CEO Stephen Gardner abruptly resigned from his top post at the U.S. passenger railroad this week.
Wednesday's announcement signaled that the leadership change came down to Amtrak maintaining support from U.S. President Donald Trump. In a statement, Gardner said he was stepping down “to ensure that Amtrak continues to enjoy the full faith and confidence of this administration."
... Joe Biden seems to have been their "bread and butter"
Wednesday's announcement signaled that the leadership change came down to Amtrak maintaining support from U.S. President Donald Trump. In a statement, Gardner said he was stepping down “to ensure that Amtrak continues to enjoy the full faith and confidence of this administration."
... Joe Biden seems to have been their "bread and butter"
Posted by: SMOD at March 21, 2025 11:58 AM (RHGPo)
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For every Tesla they burn, the insurers have to buy another Tesla. (unless maybe they call it an act of terrorism and there is some hidden clause in the policy about terrorism)
Posted by: illiniwek at March 21, 2025 11:51 AM (Cus5s)
But that is, at best, a wash. One Tesla destroyed isn’t the same as one sold. Further, it will push up Tesla’s premiums (assuming they don’t just self-insure.)
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How does a burning Tesla full of lithium batteries affect the carbon credits sold based on that vehicle?
Posted by: illiniwek at March 21, 2025 11:51 AM (Cus5s)
But that is, at best, a wash. One Tesla destroyed isn’t the same as one sold. Further, it will push up Tesla’s premiums (assuming they don’t just self-insure.)
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How does a burning Tesla full of lithium batteries affect the carbon credits sold based on that vehicle?
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - You were convinced to trade your youth and legacy for toil disguised as Girl Power at March 21, 2025 11:58 AM (qSMcm)
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218 When my brother was in the MT Guard (after his time in the 82nd Airborne) during the war, it was a pretty high-speed unit. They went to Iraq twice.
Posted by: Pug Mahon
Very shortly after the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan started up, the National Guard and Reserves ramped up quickly in overall quality. They went from a "strategic reserve" with 2nd rate training and equipment, envisioned primarily as extra personnel for WW3, to an "operational" force fitting into regular deployments, and getting much newer equipment and more training.
They have the added bonus of soldiers with actual skills outside of their wartime mission, so every base wants at least one Reserve component unit on it, so they have carpenters, plumbers, electricians, etc to do the million support functions that make everything run better.
Posted by: Pug Mahon
Very shortly after the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan started up, the National Guard and Reserves ramped up quickly in overall quality. They went from a "strategic reserve" with 2nd rate training and equipment, envisioned primarily as extra personnel for WW3, to an "operational" force fitting into regular deployments, and getting much newer equipment and more training.
They have the added bonus of soldiers with actual skills outside of their wartime mission, so every base wants at least one Reserve component unit on it, so they have carpenters, plumbers, electricians, etc to do the million support functions that make everything run better.
Posted by: Military Moron at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (JCZqz)
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So, I finally finished Better Call Saul last night.
Good stuff.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025
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Except for Kim the blonde lawyer lady, I was left only mildly impressed. It's not on the same level of entertainment as was Breaking Bad.
Good stuff.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025
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Except for Kim the blonde lawyer lady, I was left only mildly impressed. It's not on the same level of entertainment as was Breaking Bad.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (J2vNu)
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I looked at that picture a long time and cannot figure out how its an allegory of ANYTHING, let alone Italy.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (2VST1)
Me too!
That CBD is an asshole.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 11:42 AM (2VST1)
Me too!
That CBD is an asshole.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (L5An7)
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If we want to keep AI lead next 5 years it is the only way.
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:56 AM (gbOdA)
Nuclear would be far better.
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 11:56 AM (gbOdA)
Nuclear would be far better.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (iwhil)
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272 Except for Kim the blonde lawyer lady, I was left only mildly impressed. It's not on the same level of entertainment as was Breaking Bad.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (J2vNu)
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I think I liked it more than Breaking Bad.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (J2vNu)
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I think I liked it more than Breaking Bad.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (GBKbO)
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208 Montana's route to Canadian invasion runs through Alberta and Sask' (the one I can't spell).
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Biggest challenge will be finding Canadians.
The population estimates of 20,000,000 are rumored to be overstated by approximately 19,999,992.
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Biggest challenge will be finding Canadians.
The population estimates of 20,000,000 are rumored to be overstated by approximately 19,999,992.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (u5fr9)
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5-door, manual tranny, FWD. No power anything -- hand crank windows, manual seats, door locks, etc.
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And it wouldn't last 30 minutes on the market even with 200K miles.
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And it wouldn't last 30 minutes on the market even with 200K miles.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - You were convinced to trade your youth and legacy for toil disguised as Girl Power at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (qSMcm)
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The most frustrating thing for me about the EV push was that it sucked all the oxygen out of the room for every other experimental technology like hydrogen. Electric Cars are very, very old technology, every bit as old as Internal Combustion. But... not nearly as advanced or high tech. Its better than it was in 1917, but nothing remotely like how gas powered cars have advanced.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 11:31 AM (2VST1)
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Fuel cells is continuing to get work on big vehicles, where electrification efforts by serious companies ended awhile back. What is learned in big trucks will move out. Fuel cells have a bunch of advantages over EVs, if the technology can scale.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 11:31 AM (2VST1)
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Fuel cells is continuing to get work on big vehicles, where electrification efforts by serious companies ended awhile back. What is learned in big trucks will move out. Fuel cells have a bunch of advantages over EVs, if the technology can scale.
Posted by: Black JEM at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (GZYu7)
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Amtrak CEO Stephen Gardner abruptly resigned from his top post at the U.S. passenger railroad this week.
Wednesday's announcement signaled that the leadership change came down to Amtrak maintaining support from U.S. President Donald Trump. In a statement, Gardner said he was stepping down “to ensure that Amtrak continues to enjoy the full faith and confidence of this administration."
... Joe Biden seems to have been their "bread and butter"
Posted by: SMOD
Only reason USPS isn't on the chopping block is because they are constitutionally mandated.
Wednesday's announcement signaled that the leadership change came down to Amtrak maintaining support from U.S. President Donald Trump. In a statement, Gardner said he was stepping down “to ensure that Amtrak continues to enjoy the full faith and confidence of this administration."
... Joe Biden seems to have been their "bread and butter"
Posted by: SMOD
Only reason USPS isn't on the chopping block is because they are constitutionally mandated.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (xnytv)
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There is civil contempt, which involves payment of money or fines, but not jail or physical confinement. At least in NYC, a hearing is preferred for civil contempt, but not required. Or at least in practice it's not. I recently made this exact argument for a client facing civil contempt.
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Interesting.
I'm going off of what a judge once said as there was a motion to hold the defendant in contempt for not answering discovery in a civil suit.
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Interesting.
I'm going off of what a judge once said as there was a motion to hold the defendant in contempt for not answering discovery in a civil suit.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 21, 2025 12:00 PM (apAvM)
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My brother is a niche 1%er for whom an EV makes sense. He lives where electricity is very expensive so he went solar with two Tesla walls for storage which meet all his needs, the climate is mild, and he lives 40 miles round trip from his employer. Counting everything, his Tesla essentially costs him nothing.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 21, 2025 12:00 PM (jc0TO)
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In another blow to the global warming and anti-America terrorists, Trump is also pushing cheap clean coal and natural gas to rebuild our grid.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 21, 2025 11:54 AM (Cus5s)
If we want to keep AI lead next 5 years it is the only way.
Posted by: rhennigantx
Think of all of the items that we have used for energy: grain to feed livestock to do work, wood, coal, oil and gas. We now burn grain in our gasoline tanks at a far higher level than our ancestors. In fact, we use hundreds of times more of every energy source than at any point in history. More wood being burned, more coal being burned, and more oil and gas being consumed, and we need much more energy. The only thing we burn less of now than in the past is whale oil.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 21, 2025 11:54 AM (Cus5s)
If we want to keep AI lead next 5 years it is the only way.
Posted by: rhennigantx
Think of all of the items that we have used for energy: grain to feed livestock to do work, wood, coal, oil and gas. We now burn grain in our gasoline tanks at a far higher level than our ancestors. In fact, we use hundreds of times more of every energy source than at any point in history. More wood being burned, more coal being burned, and more oil and gas being consumed, and we need much more energy. The only thing we burn less of now than in the past is whale oil.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 21, 2025 12:01 PM (tRBgL)
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Electric 8%
Hybrid 12%
I think that the market has made a choice that will not move without government mandates.
It is a fairly mature market that moving in any significant manner is almost impossible.
Hybrid 12%
I think that the market has made a choice that will not move without government mandates.
It is a fairly mature market that moving in any significant manner is almost impossible.
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 12:01 PM (gbOdA)
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Only reason USPS isn't on the chopping block is because they are constitutionally mandated.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (xnytv)
Congress has the power to establish post offices and roads. It is not required to.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (xnytv)
Congress has the power to establish post offices and roads. It is not required to.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 21, 2025 12:01 PM (iwhil)
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*9th & 10th Amendments have entered the chat.
Posted by: rickb223
Actually nope. Commerce clause is the least controversial of any of the powers of the national government from the Founding. Simply put, even the NJ plan at the Convention had a version of the Supremacy clause and the Confederate Constitution actually had a stronger one in it.
One of the reasons that the Articles of Confederation failed is you had to have unanimous approval for changing it and with no national enforcement mechanism other than kicking out an asshole state or making war on it, the Articles had no way to prevent states screwing others and their citizens, or usurping federal powers (as in foreign affairs) etc in direct violation of Articles. Rhode Island's behavior was especially egregious but many states happily screwed others by setting up mini borders to 'inspect, tax, etc.' commerce going through it bound for other states.
Re travel, rivers, air, or power, cross state lines and that means federal supremacy clause applies even under a stricter std. prior to Jones and Laughlin Steel v. NLRB. Caselaw goes back to Gibbons v. Ogden in 1824.
Cont.
Posted by: rickb223
Actually nope. Commerce clause is the least controversial of any of the powers of the national government from the Founding. Simply put, even the NJ plan at the Convention had a version of the Supremacy clause and the Confederate Constitution actually had a stronger one in it.
One of the reasons that the Articles of Confederation failed is you had to have unanimous approval for changing it and with no national enforcement mechanism other than kicking out an asshole state or making war on it, the Articles had no way to prevent states screwing others and their citizens, or usurping federal powers (as in foreign affairs) etc in direct violation of Articles. Rhode Island's behavior was especially egregious but many states happily screwed others by setting up mini borders to 'inspect, tax, etc.' commerce going through it bound for other states.
Re travel, rivers, air, or power, cross state lines and that means federal supremacy clause applies even under a stricter std. prior to Jones and Laughlin Steel v. NLRB. Caselaw goes back to Gibbons v. Ogden in 1824.
Cont.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 12:01 PM (ctrM5)
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This is why I voted for Donald Trump…
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I voted for Trump because Project 2025 promised me that the government would force women to track their periods in an app.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
The Left said he'd give me a Handmaid, and I'm still waiting! Disgruntled Trump voter regretting his vote!
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I voted for Trump because Project 2025 promised me that the government would force women to track their periods in an app.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
The Left said he'd give me a Handmaid, and I'm still waiting! Disgruntled Trump voter regretting his vote!
Posted by: Military Moron at March 21, 2025 12:02 PM (JCZqz)
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Even more critical is they stood down ICE vehicle engineering support to ramp up EV engineering support. They no longer have the engineering support to support their ICE vehicles, and the standard F150 has had some problems as a result. They have a bunch of EV engineers they no longer need. And the ICE engineers are gone. Ford is truly fucked. It's an asteroid moment.
Posted by: Black JEM at March 21, 2025 11:50 AM
stellantis is in the exact same boat. They shut down both jeep plants last year to switch to EV production that no one wants. they also closed the plant where they made the jeep cherokee, one of their best selling small vehicles. They fvcked themselves big time.
Posted by: Black JEM at March 21, 2025 11:50 AM
stellantis is in the exact same boat. They shut down both jeep plants last year to switch to EV production that no one wants. they also closed the plant where they made the jeep cherokee, one of their best selling small vehicles. They fvcked themselves big time.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 21, 2025 12:02 PM (e5NfL)
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Both Scott Bessent and Howard Lutnick have given long-form interviews to the All-In crew that were released this week.
Both are well worth watching. Lutnick is a Boss. Lots of insight as to Trump's long game here.
Both are well worth watching. Lutnick is a Boss. Lots of insight as to Trump's long game here.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 21, 2025 12:02 PM (cqO0M)
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I find if difficult to believe that there are people who actually think that Trump really wants to make Canada the 51st state and/or that he plans to go to war over it. These same folks don't understand that Trump is trolling/ doing a negotiating gambit? As someone said Trump's supporters take him seriously but not literally, while left takes his literally but not seriously- unless they're calling him very seriously "Orange Man Hitler."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 21, 2025 12:02 PM (t3mCf)
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"But that is, at best, a wash. One Tesla destroyed isn’t the same as one sold."
Well, it's another sale for Musk, so a win for him. Premiums might go up some, but not sure there are really that many burning, for now.
Well, it's another sale for Musk, so a win for him. Premiums might go up some, but not sure there are really that many burning, for now.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 21, 2025 12:02 PM (Cus5s)
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Except for Kim the blonde lawyer lady, I was left only mildly impressed. It's not on the same level of entertainment as was Breaking Bad.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (J2vNu)
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I think I liked it more than Breaking Bad.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025
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There were a lot of good moments. But BB wound up like the climax of a fine crime novel by Richard Stark or someone in that line. Plus that dangerous edge of madness from people like Tuco or the quiet threat of Gus Fring made it special.
I guess I just did not identify with Jimmy/Saul the way I did with Walter.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (J2vNu)
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I think I liked it more than Breaking Bad.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025
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There were a lot of good moments. But BB wound up like the climax of a fine crime novel by Richard Stark or someone in that line. Plus that dangerous edge of madness from people like Tuco or the quiet threat of Gus Fring made it special.
I guess I just did not identify with Jimmy/Saul the way I did with Walter.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 21, 2025 12:02 PM (J2vNu)
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Or, the US government was paying for all of it directly through grants.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:56 AM (GBKbO)
Can always be both.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 11:56 AM (GBKbO)
Can always be both.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 21, 2025 12:03 PM (/x6eu)
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Only reason USPS isn't on the chopping block is because they are constitutionally mandated.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (xnytv)
Nope. The Constitution grants Congress the authority To establish Post Offices and post Roads, but doesn't mandate it.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (xnytv)
Nope. The Constitution grants Congress the authority To establish Post Offices and post Roads, but doesn't mandate it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 21, 2025 12:03 PM (L5An7)
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I wonder if any of the (federal) judges considering holding Trump in contempt have considered the fact that he can just say, "nope", and slap out a pardon faster than they can slap out a contempt order.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 21, 2025 12:03 PM (ExV1e)
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The 10th does not give states the power to overturn existing explicit powers like the Supremacy Clause and Congressional Commerce Powers, but merely restates that powers not delegated to the federal government (which the Commerce is specifically delegated) remain with the states and people.
The 9th deals with individual rights that were not included in the Bill of Rights--e.g. common law rights of individuals--and NOT powers of the 50 states.
The 9th deals with individual rights that were not included in the Bill of Rights--e.g. common law rights of individuals--and NOT powers of the 50 states.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 12:03 PM (ctrM5)
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Nuclear would be far better.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (iwhil)
Yes I have some SMR.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (iwhil)
Yes I have some SMR.
Posted by: rhennigantx at March 21, 2025 12:03 PM (gbOdA)
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I think that the market has made a choice that will not move without government mandates.
It is a fairly mature market that moving in any significant manner is almost impossible.
Posted by: rhennigantx
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CARB drones I met with back in the day firmly believed that, once EV production chain rec'd the same 'subsidies' as petroleum, the EV advantage would become obvious.
I think that the market has made a choice that will not move without government mandates.
It is a fairly mature market that moving in any significant manner is almost impossible.
Posted by: rhennigantx
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CARB drones I met with back in the day firmly believed that, once EV production chain rec'd the same 'subsidies' as petroleum, the EV advantage would become obvious.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at March 21, 2025 12:04 PM (u5fr9)
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When cars were starting out there were three competing ideas and technologies:
1) Internal Combustion: which had the advantages of easy to fuel and good power and range, but the drawbacks of being really flammable and messy, dirty, and smelly.
2) Steam: had the advantage of a ton of power and water is dirt cheap. But the drawbacks are that it takes a long time to build up a head of steam to get going, and sometimes explode.
3) Electric: had the advantage of decent power and it was both quiet and clean (something women especially liked), but drawbacks of being short range, somewhat dangerous with lead acid batteries, and slow refueling.
ICE won because they perfected the carburetor and it just was a better overall option. But the EV is freaking ancient and failed.
1) Internal Combustion: which had the advantages of easy to fuel and good power and range, but the drawbacks of being really flammable and messy, dirty, and smelly.
2) Steam: had the advantage of a ton of power and water is dirt cheap. But the drawbacks are that it takes a long time to build up a head of steam to get going, and sometimes explode.
3) Electric: had the advantage of decent power and it was both quiet and clean (something women especially liked), but drawbacks of being short range, somewhat dangerous with lead acid batteries, and slow refueling.
ICE won because they perfected the carburetor and it just was a better overall option. But the EV is freaking ancient and failed.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 12:04 PM (2VST1)
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Aha!
Of course it's his wife.
If we knew the names and occupations of every DC politician and government leader's spouse (and other immediate family?) we would understand exactly why everything is so f'd.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:49 AM (Cki93)
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The inbreeding throughout The Swamp in particular and Acela Corridor in particular over the past centuries explains a lot ...
Of course it's his wife.
If we knew the names and occupations of every DC politician and government leader's spouse (and other immediate family?) we would understand exactly why everything is so f'd.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:49 AM (Cki93)
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The inbreeding throughout The Swamp in particular and Acela Corridor in particular over the past centuries explains a lot ...
Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 21, 2025 12:04 PM (KBK+H)
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Electric 8%
Hybrid 12%
I think that the market has made a choice that will not move without government mandates.
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Spoiler alert:
The hybrids are mandated by government and count towards EV / no-emissions vehicle requirements required by men with guns.
Hybrid 12%
I think that the market has made a choice that will not move without government mandates.
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Spoiler alert:
The hybrids are mandated by government and count towards EV / no-emissions vehicle requirements required by men with guns.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - You were convinced to trade your youth and legacy for toil disguised as Girl Power at March 21, 2025 12:05 PM (qSMcm)
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Grandpa: When I was a boy I walked 10 miles to school through freezing rain and snow.
Little Timmy: Gee Grandpa, did your electric school bus break down too?
Little Timmy: Gee Grandpa, did your electric school bus break down too?
Posted by: June Lockhart at March 21, 2025 12:05 PM (W2EWw)
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291 There were a lot of good moments. But BB wound up like the climax of a fine crime novel by Richard Stark or someone in that line. Plus that dangerous edge of madness from people like Tuco or the quiet threat of Gus Fring made it special.
I guess I just did not identify with Jimmy/Saul the way I did with Walter.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 21, 2025 12:02 PM (J2vNu)
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I ended up liking Saul a lot more than Walter. I don't need to like characters, but Walter's journey made him into a full monster while Saul's journey held more nuance and subtlety. He was never a monster. He was a grifter who had chosen to leave behind his good qualities.
It's far less flashy than Breaking Bad, but Howard meeting his end had more impact than, I think, anything in Breaking Bad. It broke...everything, and it was perfectly set up.
I guess I just did not identify with Jimmy/Saul the way I did with Walter.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 21, 2025 12:02 PM (J2vNu)
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I ended up liking Saul a lot more than Walter. I don't need to like characters, but Walter's journey made him into a full monster while Saul's journey held more nuance and subtlety. He was never a monster. He was a grifter who had chosen to leave behind his good qualities.
It's far less flashy than Breaking Bad, but Howard meeting his end had more impact than, I think, anything in Breaking Bad. It broke...everything, and it was perfectly set up.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 12:05 PM (GBKbO)
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293 Only reason USPS isn't on the chopping block is because they are constitutionally mandated.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (xnytv)
Nope. The Constitution grants Congress the authority To establish Post Offices and post Roads, but doesn't mandate it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 21, 2025 12:03 PM (L5An7)
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The feds could set up the post offices and hand them over to the states to run. That'd be constitutional.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:59 AM (xnytv)
Nope. The Constitution grants Congress the authority To establish Post Offices and post Roads, but doesn't mandate it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 21, 2025 12:03 PM (L5An7)
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The feds could set up the post offices and hand them over to the states to run. That'd be constitutional.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 12:05 PM (GBKbO)
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Nuclear would be far better.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director
We are going to have to add nuclear at a large scale. Only two nuclear plants have been built in the US in the past two decades or so. Southern Company owns them, and spent almost as much fighting lawsuits as building them.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director
We are going to have to add nuclear at a large scale. Only two nuclear plants have been built in the US in the past two decades or so. Southern Company owns them, and spent almost as much fighting lawsuits as building them.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 21, 2025 12:06 PM (tRBgL)
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stellantis is in the exact same boat. They shut down both jeep plants last year to switch to EV production that no one wants. they also closed the plant where they made the jeep cherokee, one of their best selling small vehicles. They fvcked themselves big time.
Posted by: Mister Scott
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It's a big reason the government and people above them tried to assassinate Trump.
stellantis is in the exact same boat. They shut down both jeep plants last year to switch to EV production that no one wants. they also closed the plant where they made the jeep cherokee, one of their best selling small vehicles. They fvcked themselves big time.
Posted by: Mister Scott
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It's a big reason the government and people above them tried to assassinate Trump.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - You were convinced to trade your youth and legacy for toil disguised as Girl Power at March 21, 2025 12:06 PM (qSMcm)
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Yeah but I was just referring to the main river, not tributaries and side streams.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 11:56 AM (2VST1)
WHy do you hate Canada? [/snark]
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 11:56 AM (2VST1)
WHy do you hate Canada? [/snark]
Posted by: Kindltot at March 21, 2025 12:06 PM (D7oie)
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306 WHy do you hate Canada? [/snark]
Posted by: Kindltot at March 21, 2025 12:06 PM (D7oie)
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It's their big, flappy heads.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 21, 2025 12:06 PM (D7oie)
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It's their big, flappy heads.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 12:07 PM (GBKbO)
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One of the odd side things about the early car wars was that electric cars had different controls than gas powered cars. Most of them had tillers rather than a wheel to steer with, like you were using a rudder. They tended to be really tall for some reason as well.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 21, 2025 12:07 PM (2VST1)
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Then they said "ALL WATER IN EVERY STATE eventually leads to rivers and oceans,
I'm right here, you know.
-- The Great Basin
I'm right here, you know.
-- The Great Basin
Posted by: Bulg at March 21, 2025 12:07 PM (77rzZ)
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You don't have to shoot the terrorist. Simply snipe the cocktail as it's being lit.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:21 AM (xnytv)
Ranks right up there with shooting the gun out of their hand. Easy peasy
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 21, 2025 11:52 AM (FCbAQ)
Bet I could hit it with a 12 gauge from 50 ft across the parking lot.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:54 AM (xnytv)
C'mon man. Moving the goalposts. You said sniping. Now you're being Danny DeVito and just blasting.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:21 AM (xnytv)
Ranks right up there with shooting the gun out of their hand. Easy peasy
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 21, 2025 11:52 AM (FCbAQ)
Bet I could hit it with a 12 gauge from 50 ft across the parking lot.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 11:54 AM (xnytv)
C'mon man. Moving the goalposts. You said sniping. Now you're being Danny DeVito and just blasting.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 21, 2025 12:07 PM (FCbAQ)
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Nood. Fro.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 21, 2025 12:09 PM (/x6eu)
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‘ The Left said he'd give me a Handmaid, and I'm still waiting!’
You’ll have be your own Handmaid for the time being.
‘ The Left said he'd give me a Handmaid, and I'm still waiting!’
You’ll have be your own Handmaid for the time being.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 21, 2025 12:10 PM (jbnUc)
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> I'm right here, you know.
-- The Great Basin
Posted by: Bulg at March 21, 2025 12:07 PM (77rzZ)
Endorhea. Not to be confused with diarrhea.
-- The Great Basin
Posted by: Bulg at March 21, 2025 12:07 PM (77rzZ)
Endorhea. Not to be confused with diarrhea.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at March 21, 2025 12:11 PM (W5ArC)
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The 10th does not give states the power to overturn existing explicit powers like the Supremacy Clause and Congressional Commerce Powers, but merely restates that powers not delegated to the federal government (which the Commerce is specifically delegated) remain with the states and people.
The 9th deals with individual rights that were not included in the Bill of Rights--e.g. common law rights of individuals--and NOT powers of the 50 states.
Posted by: whig
True. You are correct.
The 9th deals with individual rights that were not included in the Bill of Rights--e.g. common law rights of individuals--and NOT powers of the 50 states.
Posted by: whig
True. You are correct.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 12:11 PM (xnytv)
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Bidens people funded EV JUST ENOUGH to walk the entire industry into BK. JUST TO DAMAGE AMERICA.
Posted by: torabora at March 21, 2025 12:12 PM (+qIkI)
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The feds could set up the post offices and hand them over to the states to run. That'd be constitutional.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Some things simply simply require national responses because of scale. 50 different states with their own post offices and postal workers would rapidly disintegrate. Imagine CA chooses to ban mail to MS due to MS not supporting troon rights, then MS retaliates, etc. etc.
Even the Continental Congress before the Articles had a national postal service as did the Articles.
Now, as to whether or not Congress should do as Britain did and privatize the mail, I think that is doable and constitutional.
You could delegate postal operations to the states like the EPA does to state agencies but you would still need a USPS office in DC that would override idiotic and harmful state decisions not congruent with the national interest.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Some things simply simply require national responses because of scale. 50 different states with their own post offices and postal workers would rapidly disintegrate. Imagine CA chooses to ban mail to MS due to MS not supporting troon rights, then MS retaliates, etc. etc.
Even the Continental Congress before the Articles had a national postal service as did the Articles.
Now, as to whether or not Congress should do as Britain did and privatize the mail, I think that is doable and constitutional.
You could delegate postal operations to the states like the EPA does to state agencies but you would still need a USPS office in DC that would override idiotic and harmful state decisions not congruent with the national interest.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 12:12 PM (ctrM5)
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The 10th does not give states the power to overturn existing explicit powers like the Supremacy Clause and Congressional Commerce Powers, but merely restates that powers not delegated to the federal government (which the Commerce is specifically delegated) remain with the states and people.
The 9th deals with individual rights that were not included in the Bill of Rights--e.g. common law rights of individuals--and NOT powers of the 50 states.
Posted by: whig
So why shut down the Dept of Ed? Wouldn't it be better to shut down 50 different departments?
Or the DoT? Every state has one.
Serious question. If one "standard" is better than 50.
The 9th deals with individual rights that were not included in the Bill of Rights--e.g. common law rights of individuals--and NOT powers of the 50 states.
Posted by: whig
So why shut down the Dept of Ed? Wouldn't it be better to shut down 50 different departments?
Or the DoT? Every state has one.
Serious question. If one "standard" is better than 50.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 12:13 PM (xnytv)
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He lives where electricity is very expensive so he went solar with two Tesla walls for storage which meet all his needs, the climate is mild, and he lives 40 miles round trip from his employer. Counting everything, his Tesla essentially costs him nothing.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 21, 2025 12:00 PM (jc0TO)
After an initial very expensive set-up.
His costs go down over miles driven, but will he recoup the investment? Who knows. Up until recently, hybrids never costed out.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 21, 2025 12:00 PM (jc0TO)
After an initial very expensive set-up.
His costs go down over miles driven, but will he recoup the investment? Who knows. Up until recently, hybrids never costed out.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 21, 2025 12:14 PM (FCbAQ)
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When cars were starting out there were three competing ideas and technologies:
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I think a fourth might have been Diesel -- but that may have emerged later than the other three.
Regardless, ICEs became dominant over diesel engines primarily due to factors like simpler engine design, lower initial costs, and readily available fuel.
[BTW, recently finished reading a pretty fascinating book about the inventor of the Diesel engine (written by Megyn Kelly's hubby):
"The Mysterious Case of Rudolf Diesel: Genius, Power, and Deception on the Eve of World War I" by Douglas Brunt]
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I think a fourth might have been Diesel -- but that may have emerged later than the other three.
Regardless, ICEs became dominant over diesel engines primarily due to factors like simpler engine design, lower initial costs, and readily available fuel.
[BTW, recently finished reading a pretty fascinating book about the inventor of the Diesel engine (written by Megyn Kelly's hubby):
"The Mysterious Case of Rudolf Diesel: Genius, Power, and Deception on the Eve of World War I" by Douglas Brunt]
Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 21, 2025 12:14 PM (KBK+H)
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*Exit question: Where's Greta Thunberg to condemn this senseless, climate-harming behavior, eh?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:11 AM
Same place she and all the rest of the climate nazis were during the fiery but peaceful Burning, Looting and Murdering during the Summer of George.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2025 11:11 AM
Same place she and all the rest of the climate nazis were during the fiery but peaceful Burning, Looting and Murdering during the Summer of George.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at March 21, 2025 12:14 PM (P5BPp)
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C'mon man. Moving the goalposts. You said sniping. Now you're being Danny DeVito and just blasting.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
1. Parking lots aren't that big.
2. I'm not targeting the individual.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
1. Parking lots aren't that big.
2. I'm not targeting the individual.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2025 12:15 PM (xnytv)
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The 9th is one of those amendments that the Supreme Court has never embraced which is a shame. US has a rich history of individual rights derived from common law that have simply been ignored or swept aside. Like the privileges and immunities clauses in the Constitution and 14th amendment, this was a far better ground to argue that Americans have ancient common law rights individually far beyond the enumerated ones in the Bill of Rights. Going back to the Magna Carta in some cases. Among those, rejected by Scotus in Slaughterhouse Cases, would be a right to engage in an occupation, and so on.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 12:18 PM (ctrM5)
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Even the Continental Congress before the Articles had a national postal service as did the Articles.
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Three months after the battles of Lexington and Concord, the Continental Congress turned to Benjamin Franklin to establish a national post service as the first Postmaster General.
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Three months after the battles of Lexington and Concord, the Continental Congress turned to Benjamin Franklin to establish a national post service as the first Postmaster General.
Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 21, 2025 12:19 PM (KBK+H)
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Cool vid, thanks!
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at March 21, 2025 12:19 PM (w6EFb)
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He was never a monster. He was a grifter who had chosen to leave behind his good qualities.
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I don't think he chose that, he was forced to.
He wanted to leave Slippin' Jimmy behind.
But his own brother--and the general "good ol' boys club" nature of the legal system, that wouldn't let him in unless he graduated top 10% of one of the top law schools.
That's why the tall building lawyers, the Ivies, despise the personal injury lawyers--they make more money than them who went to the right schools, did the judicial clerkship, the 80-hour weeks in file review just to make junior associate and that asshole who went to state school is making millions.
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I don't think he chose that, he was forced to.
He wanted to leave Slippin' Jimmy behind.
But his own brother--and the general "good ol' boys club" nature of the legal system, that wouldn't let him in unless he graduated top 10% of one of the top law schools.
That's why the tall building lawyers, the Ivies, despise the personal injury lawyers--they make more money than them who went to the right schools, did the judicial clerkship, the 80-hour weeks in file review just to make junior associate and that asshole who went to state school is making millions.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 21, 2025 12:20 PM (apAvM)
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325 I don't think he chose that, he was forced to.
He wanted to leave Slippin' Jimmy behind.
But his own brother--and the general "good ol' boys club" nature of the legal system, that wouldn't let him in unless he graduated top 10% of one of the top law schools.
That's why the tall building lawyers, the Ivies, despise the personal injury lawyers--they make more money than them who went to the right schools, did the judicial clerkship, the 80-hour weeks in file review just to make junior associate and that asshole who went to state school is making millions.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 21, 2025 12:20 PM (apAvM)
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Oh, he made all of his choices to go bad. To pester Howard for no reason other than spite, in particular.
Like how he chose to help Walter in Breaking Bad. He didn't have to. He could have turned White in.
He wanted to leave Slippin' Jimmy behind.
But his own brother--and the general "good ol' boys club" nature of the legal system, that wouldn't let him in unless he graduated top 10% of one of the top law schools.
That's why the tall building lawyers, the Ivies, despise the personal injury lawyers--they make more money than them who went to the right schools, did the judicial clerkship, the 80-hour weeks in file review just to make junior associate and that asshole who went to state school is making millions.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 21, 2025 12:20 PM (apAvM)
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Oh, he made all of his choices to go bad. To pester Howard for no reason other than spite, in particular.
Like how he chose to help Walter in Breaking Bad. He didn't have to. He could have turned White in.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 12:21 PM (GBKbO)
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One of the odd side things about the early car wars was that electric cars had different controls than gas powered cars. Most of them had tillers rather than a wheel to steer with, like you were using a rudder. They tended to be really tall for some reason as well.
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The vehicle one of the old gun fighters was driving in The Shootist.
I need to watch that again, that's a darned good movie and time capsule of the transition from the old west to modern America.
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The vehicle one of the old gun fighters was driving in The Shootist.
I need to watch that again, that's a darned good movie and time capsule of the transition from the old west to modern America.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 21, 2025 12:23 PM (apAvM)
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So why shut down the Dept of Ed? Wouldn't it be better to shut down 50 different departments?
Or the DoT? Every state has one.
Serious question. If one "standard" is better than 50.
Posted by: rickb223
Pollution and travel require national solutions as going back to the Magna Carta, the right to travel unmolested was a crucial right to allow economic activity throughout the realm rather than having to deal with petty problems across it via internal taxes, regulations that varied as to goods, etc.
Regarding schools, however, Scotus has repeatedly said there is no national right to education. So, those are state powers under the 10th Amendment aka police powers for the health, safety, and welfare of students. The only thing granting power to the Feds in education is that Congress has the spending power to bribe states to follow its rules. Nothing more. Any state could have walked away from the roughly 10 percent of their budgets from the Fed and ignored Fed rules.
Scotus has held that bribing states to do what the Fed wants is constitutional and I hate to say it but I agree. Want to run your schools as you want, then states give up federal funds to do so.
Or the DoT? Every state has one.
Serious question. If one "standard" is better than 50.
Posted by: rickb223
Pollution and travel require national solutions as going back to the Magna Carta, the right to travel unmolested was a crucial right to allow economic activity throughout the realm rather than having to deal with petty problems across it via internal taxes, regulations that varied as to goods, etc.
Regarding schools, however, Scotus has repeatedly said there is no national right to education. So, those are state powers under the 10th Amendment aka police powers for the health, safety, and welfare of students. The only thing granting power to the Feds in education is that Congress has the spending power to bribe states to follow its rules. Nothing more. Any state could have walked away from the roughly 10 percent of their budgets from the Fed and ignored Fed rules.
Scotus has held that bribing states to do what the Fed wants is constitutional and I hate to say it but I agree. Want to run your schools as you want, then states give up federal funds to do so.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 12:23 PM (ctrM5)
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 12:21 PM (GBKbO)
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I agree with you, TJM -- loved them both, but thought Better Call Saul was better overall in all the various facets.
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I agree with you, TJM -- loved them both, but thought Better Call Saul was better overall in all the various facets.
Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 21, 2025 12:27 PM (KBK+H)
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FWIW, back when I spent time in classes in public administration, one of the issues involved in a comparative sense is that some issues are better addressed at the local level, some at some subnational level, and others at the national level.
One example was education. States and even localities within states are better equipped to figure out what their students need to learn and by pushing those decisions to the local level allows parents and students more power than they would if nationalized. Another was economic development which was better handled at the state and local level due to superior knowledge of workforces, fit with existing infrastructure, and so on.
Defense, however, works better at the national level than state or local. And so on.
One example was education. States and even localities within states are better equipped to figure out what their students need to learn and by pushing those decisions to the local level allows parents and students more power than they would if nationalized. Another was economic development which was better handled at the state and local level due to superior knowledge of workforces, fit with existing infrastructure, and so on.
Defense, however, works better at the national level than state or local. And so on.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 12:28 PM (ctrM5)
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Three months after the battles of Lexington and Concord, the Continental Congress turned to Benjamin Franklin to establish a national post service as the first Postmaster General.
Posted by: ShainS
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Yep. In part because Franklin had basically run the system for the Brits for a time before the Revolution.
Posted by: ShainS
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Yep. In part because Franklin had basically run the system for the Brits for a time before the Revolution.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 12:29 PM (ctrM5)
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That's why the tall building lawyers, the Ivies, despise the personal injury lawyers--they make more money than them who went to the right schools, did the judicial clerkship, the 80-hour weeks in file review just to make junior associate and that asshole who went to state school is making millions.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
LoL. Very true. Trial law depends on ability in court and an ability to connect with the jury. You rise to the top via performance or sink to the bottom with it regardless of your credentials.
And you are only as good as your last victory in court so trial lawyers cannot coast very well and stay in the game.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
LoL. Very true. Trial law depends on ability in court and an ability to connect with the jury. You rise to the top via performance or sink to the bottom with it regardless of your credentials.
And you are only as good as your last victory in court so trial lawyers cannot coast very well and stay in the game.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2025 12:32 PM (ctrM5)
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So much for the theory if it has a standup bass the band has to be good. Rehashed Stray Cats tropes from 40+ years ago. And that fat drummer sucks ass worse than Meg White.
Posted by: docweasel at March 21, 2025 12:34 PM (CGSO+)
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"I've got citations."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 12:08 PM
Good Motown band. Solid backing, but I wish they had some more hits.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 21, 2025 12:08 PM
Good Motown band. Solid backing, but I wish they had some more hits.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 21, 2025 12:50 PM (D7oie)
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This is what happens when government decide our technological future.
Make EVs better and cheaper and they will find their niche. That is the real problem - EVs are still not good enough.
Make EVs better and cheaper and they will find their niche. That is the real problem - EVs are still not good enough.
Posted by: El Mariachi at March 21, 2025 12:59 PM (ZBykU)
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GSA: This year’s conference set a new record with over 2,600 registered attendees joining the annual immersive, multi-day event. The conference kicked off with a keynote panel featuring GSA’s Senior Advisor to the Administrator, Climate, Jetta Wong; Federal Chief Sustainability Officer Andrew Mayock; and GSA Public Buildings Service Commissioner Elliot Doomes.
The group discussed the importance of EVSE infrastructure and how fleet managers have access to resources to help their agencies meet their fleet goals. In fact, in FY23, GSA ordered over 5,800 zero-emission vehicles for our federal agency partners – an increase of 63% from FY 2022. So far in FY24, almost 4,000 ZEVs have been ordered – about 20% of all vehicle orders and almost 30% of all light-duty vehicle orders.
Over the three-day conference, there were 44 training sessions with topics ranging from electrification and new vehicle offerings to deep dives into policy, best practices surrounding aspects of fleet management, and industry and vehicle manufacturer panels.
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Meanwhile, they sat as everyone worked from home...unless traveling and partying.
And it's all just ducky with the agencies, Judges, Congress.
The group discussed the importance of EVSE infrastructure and how fleet managers have access to resources to help their agencies meet their fleet goals. In fact, in FY23, GSA ordered over 5,800 zero-emission vehicles for our federal agency partners – an increase of 63% from FY 2022. So far in FY24, almost 4,000 ZEVs have been ordered – about 20% of all vehicle orders and almost 30% of all light-duty vehicle orders.
Over the three-day conference, there were 44 training sessions with topics ranging from electrification and new vehicle offerings to deep dives into policy, best practices surrounding aspects of fleet management, and industry and vehicle manufacturer panels.
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Meanwhile, they sat as everyone worked from home...unless traveling and partying.
And it's all just ducky with the agencies, Judges, Congress.
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Climate change cultists to the moon!
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The tragic thing about Ford is that when the Great Recession hit in 2008, they were the solvent of the Big Three. How far have they fallen.
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