President Trump Releases JFK Files

Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard praised President Donald Trump after files relating to the assassination of former President John F. Kennedy were released, noting that he is "ushering in a new era of maximum transparency."
"President Trump is ushering in a new era of maximum transparency," Gabbard wrote in a post on X. "Today, per his direction, previously redacted JFK Assassination Files are being released to the public with no redactions. Promises made, promises kept."
The files can be accessed directly by the public at the National Archives website here. The page for the JFK Assassination Records on the National Archives website states:
In accordance with President Donald Trump's directive of March 17, 2025, all records previously withheld for classification that are part of the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection are released.
The National Archives has partnered with agencies across the federal government to comply with the President's directive in support of Executive Order 14176.
As or March 18, 2025, the records are available to access either online at this page or in person, via hard copy or on analog media formats, at the National Archives at College Park, Maryland. As the records continue to be digitized, they will be posted to this page.
The release of the files comes a day after Trump announced that roughly 80,000 files would be released on Tuesday by Gabbard, adding that "people have been waiting for decades for this."

Whig read some of the files last night:

2 I read about 250 or so documents last night. A lot of it involves tradecraft of creating legends for specific agents, shell companies, etc. But at least two interesting things stuck out. One was that Oswald was under continuing surveillance prior to the assassination and two, he met with a guy called Kostikov who was a KGB agent in Mexico City. Kostikov had prior involvement in the KGB executive action aka killing section.
Another two dealt with Howard Hunt and his relationship with the CIA. The first appeared a mundane query over $30k worth of funds sought for reimbursement. The second was over his book clearance. Why the first is interesting is that it seems to imply Hunt was getting funds from the CIA in 1972 in some form. That is when the Watergate burglary happened btw and it was sometimes speculated that it was the CIA that torpedoed Nixon on purpose via Hunt.
Hunt filled the action team with former CIA anti Communist Cuban assets that you can cross check with the multitude of docs released regarding anti Castro Cuban operations and naming specific names.
There is also references to the close relationship between Mossad and CIA at the time.
Posted by: whig

I don't know what's in the files. This historian below talks about some stuff he's seen in the files. He mentions things I'm pretty sure we already knew, like the discovery of a pristine bullet in the presidential limo which suggests that four shots were fired, not three as the Warren Commission claims, which means that there would have to be a second gunman. He says Oswald didn't have time to shoot four times, because, he says, the pristine bullet would be the one that hit Kennedy in the back, and the next bullet, coming a fraction of a second later, hit Governor Connelly. Too quick a follow-up shot for a bolt-action rifle. The Warren Commission says the same bullet caused a bunch of injuries to both men -- "pausing in mid-air, mind you."

He also says that the files disclose that forensics scientists disputed the Warren Commission theory of the second shooter. Again, I'm pretty sure we knew this, but now we can read the actual documents.

Posted by: Ace at 12:16 PM

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1 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at March 19, 2025 12:17 PM (GYt5+)

2 2nd

Posted by: Thanatopsis at March 19, 2025 12:17 PM (GYt5+)

3 3rd

Posted by: Thanatopsis at March 19, 2025 12:17 PM (GYt5+)

4 Hi ace

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at March 19, 2025 12:17 PM (4XwPj)

5 st!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 19, 2025 12:17 PM (hOk1M)

6 this trove of data seems like the perfect use for AI to analyze given human prompts

Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at March 19, 2025 12:18 PM (V6W16)

7 The Electric State > The Gray Man

But both kind of just suck.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 12:18 PM (GBKbO)

8 It's wednesday!

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 19, 2025 12:18 PM (t/2Uw)

9 Well one thing's for certain.. JFK is still dead...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 19, 2025 12:19 PM (VE6XX)

10 I'm pretty sure I don't care about the Kennedy assassination. Pretty much everyone associated with it is dead, including Kennedy.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 19, 2025 12:19 PM (WPL6O)

11 It's wednesday!
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 19, 2025 12:18 PM

Happy Hump Day, sharon!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 19, 2025 12:19 PM (hOk1M)

12 Some Americans don't want more Government in their lives! And they want lower taxes!! What a bunch of assholes!

Posted by: Chucky Schumer at March 19, 2025 12:19 PM (qUkBO)

13 10 I'm pretty sure I don't care about the Kennedy assassination. Pretty much everyone associated with it is dead, including Kennedy.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 19, 2025 12:19 PM (WPL6O)

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That just what they want you to think.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 12:19 PM (GBKbO)

14 well, well ??? WHO KILLED HIM???

Posted by: runner at March 19, 2025 12:19 PM (g47mK)

15 I think mostly we'll find out is that the CIA and the FBI have always been incompetent f*ckups.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 19, 2025 12:19 PM (/y8xj)

16 well, it'll be interesting for sure.

i have a feeling that anything that actually shined a light on the cia involvement in the assassination was actually shredded in the minutes after oswald and others shot jfk...

Posted by: Sturmtoddler at March 19, 2025 12:19 PM (nXhwP)

17 Nood.

In case you aren't already here.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 19, 2025 12:19 PM (8dSZC)

18 At this point what dfference does it make?

Heh
waiting for the Bengazi files.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 19, 2025 12:19 PM (t/2Uw)

19 this trove of data seems like the perfect use for AI to analyze given human prompts

That's happening, but there's a significant amount of handwriting which makes OCRing it into text the AI can digest harder.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 19, 2025 12:20 PM (2ocoG)

20 6 this trove of data seems like the perfect use for AI to analyze given human prompts
Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at March 19, 2025 12:18 PM (V6W16)

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It will determine that there was a second spitter, and that Kramer and Newman were collateral damage.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at March 19, 2025 12:20 PM (OGOaV)

21 As I read this at 12:19edt, I see it as posted at 1:16.
Damn these time/space warpages. Must be yesterday rain.

Posted by: From about That Time at March 19, 2025 12:20 PM (n4GiU)

22 Looks like a team effort.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at March 19, 2025 12:21 PM (ZmEVT)

23 Honestly, I think I've seen JFK murdered enough times.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at March 19, 2025 12:21 PM (pohLc)

24 When do we get the McKinley and Garfield files?

Posted by: Mark1971 at March 19, 2025 12:21 PM (Vj4xA)

25 was it aliens ??

Posted by: runner at March 19, 2025 12:21 PM (g47mK)

26 name field test

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - What different discussions are 53 and 21 year old women having? at March 19, 2025 12:21 PM (qSMcm)

27 Did it mention the Cigarette Smoking Man shooting him from the drainage pipe?

Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 19, 2025 12:22 PM (8dSZC)

28 They shouted out "Who killed the Kennedys!?"
When after all it was (REDACTED)

Posted by: CEE AYE AYY at March 19, 2025 12:22 PM (wtvvX)

29 I was hoping it would be something really dumb, like Jackie O was the actual target and they missed.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 19, 2025 12:22 PM (VoAdT)

30 Hmmm. Is this relevant?

JFK FILES: SWAT teams have responded to an active shooter situation at CIA headquarters in Langley, VA. Due to encrypted radio communications in the area, details on any injuries or the suspect's status remain unavailable.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 19, 2025 12:22 PM (t/2Uw)

31 "Oswald was a fag..."

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 19, 2025 12:22 PM (hOk1M)

32 Big foot killed JFK!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 19, 2025 12:23 PM (2UnvF)

33 I'm reading The Devil's Chessboard about the JFK hit.

Spoiler alert: Allen Dulles gave the order.

It makes a compelling circumstantial case. Dulles was slippery and didn't leave fingeprints.

e.g., Before the shooting, he had a debauched member of Russian royalty babysit Lee Harvey. While a society friend befriended Marina. They were like the Devil's familiars hondling Rosemary in the Dakota before she gave birth.

And, they got Lee Harvey the job at Book Depositary.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 19, 2025 12:23 PM (HUwNa)

34 The main significance is regarding "How involved was "our" CIA (and DeepState) in removing a POTUS that may have been against the CIA (DeepState)".

We know they are currently (still?) and previously have been Very Involved in running their own (globalist?) agenda, while grifting trillions.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 19, 2025 12:23 PM (Cus5s)

35 JFK Conspiracy theories have never been a topic that I've looked into in any detail but every time I do the official story moves farther from the locus of probability and various and sundry other narratives move closer.

Posted by: Minuteman at March 19, 2025 12:23 PM (47/pr)

36 25 was it aliens ??
Posted by: runner at March 19, 2025 12:21 PM (g47mK)

Tune in to find out!

Posted by: Giorgio Tsoukalos at March 19, 2025 12:23 PM (PiwSw)

37 Biggest takeaway so far is that Yoko wrecked The Beatles.

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 12:23 PM (D+vnQ)

38 I was in the second grade when Kennedy was killed. Now, only sixty plus years later, I can read about it.

Posted by: huerfano at March 19, 2025 12:23 PM (n2swS)

39 But, that was, like a really long time ago, man. What difference does it make?

But seriously..
Interesting that extra bullet. I expect we know already most of what is in the files. It's what was never put in the files, what was never investigated, or even spoken that we don't know.
Was Oswald interrogated? Or was he killed before he could talk? I've never cared much about the subject so there's much I don't remember.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at March 19, 2025 12:23 PM (4XwPj)

40 The state of the bullet proves nothing, the NUMBER of the bullets do. More bullets than one man shot = more than one shooter. One bullet not being visibly messed up just means its not messed up. Any experienced shooter can give you crazy stories about how bullets end up.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 12:23 PM (2VST1)

41 "It was suicide."

CIA

Posted by: Stateless...60% - mental state clawing up from 10% at March 19, 2025 12:23 PM (jvJvP)

42 Page 41,149, footnote 110,332: Donald Trump, age 17, killed John F. Kennedy.

Posted by: Democrat Underarm at March 19, 2025 12:24 PM (qUkBO)

43 Marina ? They are always either an Olga or Marina, aren't they .....

Posted by: runner at March 19, 2025 12:24 PM (g47mK)

44 I wonder what Vincent Bugliosi would have made of this. His Reclaiming History is an interesting analysis of the JFK assassination. Be forewarned, though - the thing is as thick as a brick and just as heavy.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at March 19, 2025 12:24 PM (Q0kLU)

45 44 I wonder what Vincent Bugliosi would have made of this. His Reclaiming History is an interesting analysis of the JFK assassination. Be forewarned, though - the thing is as thick as a brick and just as heavy.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at March 19, 2025 12:24 PM (Q0kLU)

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Better when adapted by Jethro Tull.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 12:24 PM (GBKbO)

46 off sock

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 19, 2025 12:25 PM (wtvvX)

47 Ah, that beautiful Lincoln Continental with the "suicide" doors. It was one of the few, maybe the only, U.S. car then that had a two-year warranty instead of only one year. And it weighed so much in convertible form because they'd had to shore up the chassis between the wheels. When both front and rear doors were open, without a reinforced chassis, the car would have sagged. Not a good look.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 19, 2025 12:25 PM (J2vNu)

48 Kennedy is dead. Almost everyone thinks it was an inside job. Anything relevant to the CIA or Lyndon Johnson or FBI or anyone else is destroyed or redacted. No one knows for sure so we all continue with speculation.

Posted by: Megthered at March 19, 2025 12:25 PM (wCr+o)

49 I'm pretty sure we already knew, like the discovery of a pristine bullet in the presidential limo which suggests that four shots were fired, not three as the Warren Commission claims,
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I didn't know that. I recall reading about a bullet a doctor found on JFK's stretcher or coroner's table?

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 19, 2025 12:25 PM (Vh9CX)

50 Wait, I thought it was Gavrilo Princip who shot Kennedy?

Posted by: dantesed at March 19, 2025 12:25 PM (Oy/m2)

51 * I mean isn't it....

Posted by: runner at March 19, 2025 12:25 PM (g47mK)

52 50 Wait, I thought it was Gavrilo Princip who shot Kennedy?
Posted by: dantesed at March 19, 2025 12:25 PM (Oy/m2)

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Weird coincidence.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 12:25 PM (GBKbO)

53 We'll know they are complete when they explain that Kennedy's head wound was caused by an accidental discharge from a SS Agent's rifle.

Not that that dispels any existing conspiracy, but that is the truth. The Presidents mortal wound was an accident.

Posted by: Alamo at March 19, 2025 12:25 PM (Gn4ZR)

54 Ted Cruz's Dad remains top of the list. Grass stains on his khakis from the Grassy Knoll attest to this! We can help. Just spray, rub, and launder, as usual.

Posted by: Betty White for Shout! at March 19, 2025 12:26 PM (G5+As)

55 e.g., Before the shooting, he had a debauched member of Russian royalty babysit Lee Harvey. While a society friend befriended Marina. They were like the Devil's familiars hondling Rosemary in the Dakota before she gave birth.

Was DeMoenschildt of noble birth? It's been a while, so I don't remember.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at March 19, 2025 12:26 PM (Q0kLU)

56 Oswald was a known-wolf; the CIA knew there was a plot to kill JFK.
All of the agencies, especially CIA and FBI, coordinated to absolve each other.

But, so far, the biggest, to me, it JFK writing a letter to Biden calling him a "traitor."
I want more details on that.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 19, 2025 12:26 PM (MC8h6)

57 A neighbor of mine at the other house is a big JFK conspiracy guy.

Just to mess with him I started calling my boat dock "Oswald, Marina" and put up a sign.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 19, 2025 12:26 PM (8dSZC)

58 The “extra bullet” was placed on the stretcher by a secret service agent. He revealed this on his deathbed not too long ago.

He had stuck it in his pocket and forgot about it till at the hospital and didn’t know what to do with it. If he came clean at the time he would have lost his job.

That little quirk of history resulted in reams of BS about the incident.

Posted by: Common Tater at March 19, 2025 12:26 PM (xtYJY)

59 50 Wait, I thought it was Gavrilo Princip who shot Kennedy?
Posted by: dantesed at March 19, 2025 12:25 PM (Oy/m2)

No, silly. He was the one who shot Kurt Loder.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 19, 2025 12:26 PM (VoAdT)

60 I collect antique military guns and restore them. Years ago when I added the Carcano to the stash, I wondered just how quickly a person real familiar with the gun could chamber another round and send it on its way as with Kennedy.

I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that I can chamber a modern bolt action rifle to take a second deer after dropping the first in the opening weeks of hunting season. But I have to be real comfortable with the rifle.

Posted by: -DC at March 19, 2025 12:27 PM (i3jTa)

61 The idea LHO did not have time to cycle the rifle 4 times is hilarious, you start with one already primed.

Posted by: sven at March 19, 2025 12:27 PM (X0I7i)

62 I thought Dan Rather blamed a "climate of right-wing hate" for the assassination.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at March 19, 2025 12:27 PM (PiwSw)

63
They were like the Devil's familiars hondling Rosemary in the Dakota before she gave birth.

HUH?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 19, 2025 12:27 PM (63Dwl)

64 Just to mess with him I started calling my boat dock "Oswald, Marina" and put up a sign.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 19, 2025 12:26 PM

*golf clap*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 19, 2025 12:27 PM (hOk1M)

65 Was Oswald interrogated? Or was he killed before he could talk? I've never cared much about the subject so there's much I don't remember.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at March 19, 2025

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I've read that he was. But this was before Miranda warnings, so they didn't provide him with a lawyer. He kept saying he didn't know what this was all about. Then on Sunday Jack Ruby plugged him. So there was never a chance (or so I've heard) for him to squeal on anybody.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 19, 2025 12:27 PM (J2vNu)

66 7 The Electric State > The Gray Man

But both kind of just suck.

Disagree. Gray Man fairly Generic action flick but I'll take Ryan Gosling over Millie Bobbie Brown every day of the week. Chris Evans chewing on the scenery as a nut job assassin and their big fight at the end? yeah, i can enjoy that a bit compared to Chris Pratt weird robot love story with Herman and Mr f**king Peanut sword fighting drone soldiers. No contest for me.

Posted by: Nelly at March 19, 2025 12:27 PM (pSknm)

67 Hi everybody!

Longest week ever.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2025 12:28 PM (KRtlO)

68 THe thing is mob guys literally say they were behind it. It wasn't a sanctioned hit by the commission but the titular leader* of the Chicago Outfit ordered the hit anyway. Why? Because they helped JFK squeak out a likely fraudulent win by giving him the union vote. That vote was in exchange for a promise to leave the mob alone. Then JFK put his brother in charge of the DOJ (imagine a president doing that today LOL) who spent every waking moment attempting to destroy the mafia. They did not appreciate this turn of events.

*Sam "Momo" Giancana was supposedly in charge of the outfit, but he was a face put to take the heat, Tony "Bats" Accardo was the actual man in charge.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 12:28 PM (2VST1)

69 I don't get why Pompeo didn't want Trump to release the files.
It doesn't make sense.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 19, 2025 12:28 PM (NpAcC)

70 Whoops! Betty White was spokesperson for Spray 'n' Wash, not Shout!

Posted by: Now I'm Agitated! at March 19, 2025 12:28 PM (G5+As)

71
Before the shooting, he had a debauched member of Russian royalty babysit Lee Harvey. While a society friend befriended Marina. They were like the Devil's familiars hondling Rosemary in the Dakota before she gave birth.

And, they got Lee Harvey the job at Book Depositary.
Posted by: Ignoramus

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Are you talking about the de Morenschildts?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at March 19, 2025 12:28 PM (lCaJd)

72 I read about 250 or so documents last night. A lot of it involves tradecraft of creating legends for specific agents, shell companies, etc. But at least two interesting things stuck out. One was that Oswald was under continuing surveillance prior to the assassination and two, he met with a guy called Kostikov who was a KGB agent in Mexico City. Kostikov had prior involvement in the KGB executive action aka killing section.

Another two dealt with Howard Hunt and his relationship with the CIA. The first appeared a mundane query over $30k worth of funds sought for reimbursement. The second was over his book clearance. Why the first is interesting is that it seems to imply Hunt was getting funds from the CIA in 1972 in some form. That is when the Watergate burglary happened btw and it was sometimes speculated that it was the CIA that torpedoed Nixon on purpose via Hunt.

Hunt filled the action team with former CIA anti Communist Cuban assets that you can cross check with the multitude of docs released regarding anti Castro Cuban operations and naming specific names.

There is also references to the close relationship between Mossad and CIA at the time.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 12:28 PM (ctrM5)

73 Well yeah you don't write everything down, right? The conspiracy theorists, even the wrong ones, aren't going to stop now since everything that happens is just more proof of the conspiracy.

But it's not like they were ever going to turn up LBJ's diary or calendar or anything.

Things to Do

- Remind Lady Bird to get milk
- Remind CIA to shoot JFK

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 12:28 PM (D+vnQ)

74 I really hate to say it but I don't care... Why would I believe they would keep any incriminating evidence ?

Posted by: It's me donna at March 19, 2025 12:28 PM (VE6XX)

75 56. JFK Jr in the 90s.

But I wonder how it got in that file pile? Teaser?

Posted by: Long night...lifted at March 19, 2025 12:28 PM (2NXcZ)

76 >>>I thought Dan Rather blamed a "climate of right-wing hate" for the assassination.

Chris Matthews never stops babbling about that.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2025 12:28 PM (KRtlO)

77 38 I was in the second grade when Kennedy was killed. Now, only sixty plus years later, I can read about it.
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Yeah, what annoyed me at the time was all three TV channels went days on end talking(reporting) about it for weeks. The first program that finally broke the Kennedy ice was The Purple Heart movie. The movie sucked but it wasn't moar talking heads talking.

Posted by: Pudinhead at March 19, 2025 12:29 PM (Hpgos)

78 But, so far, the biggest, to me, it JFK writing a letter to Biden calling him a "traitor."

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 19, 2025 12:26 PM (MC8h6)

Please to explain!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 19, 2025 12:29 PM (L5An7)

79
The CIA employs literally the worst people; so I wouldn't be surprised if one their radical muslim or left-wing "analysts" they use has had enough of Trump, or Israel, or both.

Posted by: Soothsayer at March 19, 2025 12:29 PM (y2+uv)

80 66 Disagree. Gray Man fairly Generic action flick but I'll take Ryan Gosling over Millie Bobbie Brown every day of the week. Chris Evans chewing on the scenery as a nut job assassin and their big fight at the end? yeah, i can enjoy that a bit compared to Chris Pratt weird robot love story with Herman and Mr f**king Peanut sword fighting drone soldiers. No contest for me.
Posted by: Nelly at March 19, 2025 12:27 PM (pSknm)

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Gray Man was dreary. I don't like Chris Evans' smarmy personality in a co-lead (it works better in Knives Out as a supporting role).

Electric State looks a lot better.

Both are just kind of dumb, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 12:29 PM (GBKbO)

81 58 Posted by: Common Tater at March 19, 2025 12:26 PM (xtYJY)

A lot like CUOMO 19, and Pearl Harbor the horsefuckery about 22NOV63 is civil servant self-preservation mode. There was provable actionable intel that belied each and a lot of small moving pieces dropped the ball on each. Democrats cannot accept that a communist killed the king of camelot.

Posted by: sven at March 19, 2025 12:29 PM (X0I7i)

82 Hi everybody!

Longest week ever.
Posted by: ace at March 19, 2025 12:28 PM

Afternoon, ace!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 19, 2025 12:29 PM (hOk1M)

83 And the guy that shot Oswald then died soon after of cancer? Heavily mobbed up dude. Deep in the union, and an associate of the mafia.

Was the CIA involved also? I wouldn't at all be surprised, but their motivation is a lot less clear to me.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 12:29 PM (2VST1)

84 69 I don't get why Pompeo didn't want Trump to release the files.
It doesn't make sense.
Posted by: redridinghood at March 19, 2025 12:28 PM (NpAcC)

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Because secrecy, even over unimportant matters, is more important than openness.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 12:29 PM (GBKbO)

85 67 Hi everybody!

Longest week ever.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2025 12:28 PM (KRtlO)

HI ACE!!!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 19, 2025 12:29 PM (wtvvX)

86 I don't know how *accurate* a lot of it is, but Stephen King's SF novel 11/22/63 is a truly great story: time-travel, an evocation of that long-dead USA from 1958 to 1963, a love story, and he gets into a lot of information surrounding the assassination that I'd rarely heard of.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 19, 2025 12:30 PM (J2vNu)

87 Longest week ever.
Posted by: ace at March 19, 2025 12:28 PM (KRtlO)

And he does mean long, ladies.

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 12:30 PM (D+vnQ)

88 I'm not going to question their manhood. But, the surest way to get to the bottom of an assassination attempt is to take bullet, make your speech, and get on with it.

That Trump fella knows what I'm talking about.

Posted by: Teddy "I've just been shot" Roosevelt at March 19, 2025 12:30 PM (dIske)

89 Did they mention in the files the nice shooting Lee Harvey did? Under pressure, the roar of the crowd, a little sweat on the brow, manipulating the clunky Carcano but he still hit the target. Outstanding!

Posted by: Zombie Charles Whitman at March 19, 2025 12:30 PM (Ic155)

90 78 But, so far, the biggest, to me, it JFK writing a letter to Biden calling him a "traitor."

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 19, 2025 12:26 PM (MC8h6)

Please to explain!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 19, 2025 12:29 PM (L5An7)

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It was JFK Jr, and it happened in the early 90s, I think.

Don't remember the context beyond Biden being awful, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 12:30 PM (GBKbO)

91 78. JFK Jr wrote it. Not sure who put it in the assassination file.

Posted by: Long night...lifted at March 19, 2025 12:31 PM (2NXcZ)

92 86 Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 19, 2025 12:30 PM (J2vNu)

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

Posted by: sven at March 19, 2025 12:31 PM (X0I7i)

93
Hi everybody!

Longest week ever.
Posted by: ace

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Hiya ace! I can imagine all these weeks are long, and will continue to be for quite a while. Past our 30th birthdays, perhaps.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at March 19, 2025 12:31 PM (lCaJd)

94 JFK jr called Biden a “Traitor”. Not JFK

Probably because he wasn’t left wing enough, if I had to guess.

Posted by: Common Tater at March 19, 2025 12:31 PM (xtYJY)

95 But, so far, the biggest, to me, it JFK writing a letter to Biden calling him a "traitor."

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice

It was JFK Jr. Not JFK

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 19, 2025 12:31 PM (9gBT2)

96 >>But, so far, the biggest, to me, it JFK writing a letter to Biden calling him a "traitor."

I believe that was JFK, Jr. wasn't it?

Posted by: one hour sober at March 19, 2025 12:31 PM (Y1sOo)

97 I was in the second grade when Kennedy was killed. Now, only sixty plus years later, I can read about it.
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Yeah, what annoyed me at the time was all three TV channels went days on end talking(reporting) about it for weeks. The first program that finally broke the Kennedy ice was The Purple Heart movie. The movie sucked but it wasn't moar talking heads talking.
Posted by: Pudinhead at March 19, 2025

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I was in fifth grade, and I remember that. TV Guide the next week filled their entire issue, front and back sections, with articles about the event and the coverage of same.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 19, 2025 12:31 PM (J2vNu)

98 It's almost Spring.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2025 12:32 PM (z0e6h)

99 I started reading some this morning. Going to be a real slog. 79,997 to go!

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at March 19, 2025 12:32 PM (uC8xf)

100 thanks, whig. I added that.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2025 12:32 PM (KRtlO)

101 Are you talking about the de Morenschildts?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

I think so.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 12:32 PM (ctrM5)

102 The conspiracy theorists, even the wrong ones, aren't going to stop now since everything that happens is just more proof of the conspiracy.

Right, lack of evidence is just further proof that the conspiracy is true. That's how it works.

There are conspiracy theories and there are conspiracy theories. The real ones are "lizard people are disguising the fact that the faked moon landings are to cover for the fact that the earth is flat" types. Ludicrous and false and unprovable -- and the lack of proof shows its true.

The other "conspiracy theories" are just facts that are uncomfortable for the establishment powers like "The Wuhan Flu was from a Chinese lab." True, but unproven yet.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 12:32 PM (2VST1)

103 I thought Dan Rather blamed a "climate of right-wing hate" for the assassination.
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper

The same thing is behind global warming.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at March 19, 2025 12:32 PM (L/fGl)

104 Hi everybody!

Longest week ever.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2025 12:28 PM (KRtlO)

No kidding, and it's only Tuesday.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 19, 2025 12:32 PM (i24o9)

105 I believe that was JFK, Jr. wasn't it?
Posted by: one hour sober

Yes. In 1994.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 12:32 PM (ctrM5)

106 "Was DeMoenschildt of noble birth? "

From Wiki so it must be true: His aristocratic father, Sergey Alexandrovich von Mohrenschildt, was of Baltic German, Swedish, and Russian descent. De Mohrenschildt's mother, Alexandra, was of aristocratic Polish, Russian, and Hungarian descent.

He was an emigre without means but kept up the high life as a mooch and hanger-on. Exactly the type you can cultivate and then play like a pawn.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 19, 2025 12:32 PM (HUwNa)

107 Gray Man was dreary. I don't like Chris Evans' smarmy personality in a co-lead (it works better in Knives Out as a supporting role).

Electric State looks a lot better.

Both are just kind of dumb, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 12:29 PM (GBKbO)

I liked Gray Man - gotta admit, I thought about Electric State last night, but something about the robot look seems totally off-putting to me...

Posted by: Nova Local at March 19, 2025 12:33 PM (exHjb)

108 Electric State was kind of fun to watch. I just couldn;t get over how they made Chris Pratt look like Hans Solo. It was like a paen to the character. Also liked the robot brother. He is so adorable.
Dumb but fun. Sometimes that's all I want. I can get serious and depressing in everyday life.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 19, 2025 12:33 PM (t/2Uw)

109 We'll quit theorizing when they quit conspiring.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - What different discussions are 53 and 21 year old women having? at March 19, 2025 12:33 PM (qSMcm)

110 "It was suicide."

CIA
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Just like Martin Luther King.

Posted by: Crusader at March 19, 2025 12:33 PM (TN0g+)

111 @TonerousHyus
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9m
I will preface my look at the WI Supreme Court Race in that it's the first day of IPEV, and I expect a tough race for Schimel to win.

Data compared to *the same day* in April 2023 Supreme Court election shows a strong day one performance for R counties so far. Below VBM returns

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So, very early, no real partisan data to analyze, and things could change, but...

It seems like the WI Supreme Court vote is looking favorable for the Republican based on analysis from one of the guys who nailed the 2024 election based on early vote data.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 12:33 PM (GBKbO)

112 Electric State looks a lot better.

If you watch The Electric State, remember "The Polar Express" and the difference between movie and book.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 19, 2025 12:34 PM (WPL6O)

113 I bet Trump "misfiled" the JFK jr letter in the papers just to troll people.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 19, 2025 12:34 PM (kJuzF)

114 I believe that was JFK, Jr. wasn't it?

Posted by: one hour sober at March 19, 2025 12:31 PM (Y1sOo)
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That was in 1994. If it was the late President, I want to know where Elvis is.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 19, 2025 12:34 PM (PlmO8)

115 And Biden responded, "and you're a shitty pilot, John-John."

Posted by: one hour sober at March 19, 2025 12:34 PM (Y1sOo)

116 It's Wednesday.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2025 12:34 PM (z0e6h)

117 Yeah, what annoyed me at the time was all three TV channels went days on end talking(reporting) about it for weeks. The first program that finally broke the Kennedy ice was The Purple Heart movie. The movie sucked but it wasn't moar talking heads talking.

Posted by: Pudinhead at March 19, 2025 12:29 PM (Hpgos)

Princess Diana was like that too.

I started to hate that woman.

Posted by: Stateless...60% - mental state clawing up from 10% at March 19, 2025 12:34 PM (jvJvP)

118 I've been pouring through the files since they were dumped. Nowhere near through them. So far, nothing "new" in the sense that most of this was known, but a lot of things that were considered "conspiracy theories" two days ago are now "conspiracy facts".

For example, there are several allusions to the fact that Oswald was either a CIA asset or at least occasionally worked with the CIA.

The CIA has vehemently denied that in public until now. And will probably continue to, as there's no smoking gun that I've seen that says otherwise.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 12:35 PM (uCjyK)

119 Was there anything about what Al Capone kept in his secret vault?

Damn I'm cynical today.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 19, 2025 12:35 PM (kJuzF)

120 113 I bet Trump "misfiled" the JFK jr letter in the papers just to troll people.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 19, 2025 12:34 PM (kJuzF)

OOPS!! WHOOPSIE!!!!

Posted by: POTUS at March 19, 2025 12:35 PM (wtvvX)

121 Whig read some of the files
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This is the problem right here. Never read when you can just idly speculate, obfuscate and conject.

I remember when they came to my school with that whole Reading is Fun thing. They weren't gonna fool me.

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 12:36 PM (D+vnQ)

122 121 I remember when they came to my school with that whole Reading is Fun thing. They weren't gonna fool me.
Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 12:36 PM (D+vnQ)

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Fight the man.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 12:36 PM (GBKbO)

123 Ruby and Oswald met weeks before.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2025 12:36 PM (z0e6h)

124 Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 19, 2025
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Cocaine is a helluva drug.
Posted by: sven at March 19, 2025 1

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Never tried it, so I dunno. But this book is from before SK became cracked, about 2010-2012, when he still told good stories.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 19, 2025 12:36 PM (J2vNu)

125 Because secrecy, even over unimportant matters, is more important than openness.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 12:29 PM (GBKbO)
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It just makes them look stupid.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 19, 2025 12:36 PM (NpAcC)

126 123 Ruby and Oswald met weeks before.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2025 12:36 PM (z0e6h)

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On Grindr?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 12:36 PM (GBKbO)

127 FWIW, there is also direct evidence in those reports that the CIA was inserting active agents into journalist roles at a fairly senior editing level roles which was corroborated by the earlier Mocking Bird releases during the 70's.

No problem Ace. Lots of smoke and fume but if you are a CIA historian type, there is also a direct list of division heads from the fifties until the early 60's. You find Hunt's name there as well.

Hunt apparently was a serious player at the CIA at the operational level for direct action.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 12:36 PM (ctrM5)

128 117 Yeah, what annoyed me at the time was all three TV channels went days on end talking(reporting) about it for weeks. The first program that finally broke the Kennedy ice was The Purple Heart movie. The movie sucked but it wasn't moar talking heads talking.

Posted by: Pudinhead at March 19, 2025 12:29 PM (Hpgos)

Princess Diana was like that too.

I started to hate that woman.

Posted by: Stateless...60% - mental state clawing up from 10% at March 19, 2025 12:34 PM (jvJvP)

AND THEY BOTH DIES IN LIMOUSINES!!!11!!111

Posted by: CAPTAIN CONSPIRACY!!! at March 19, 2025 12:37 PM (wtvvX)

129 I think I can deduce why "closeness" particularly of CIA and Mossad relationship in the early 1960. Eichmann was removed from Argentina in 1960....

Posted by: runner at March 19, 2025 12:37 PM (g47mK)

130 Princess Diana was like that too.

I started to hate that woman.
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Elton John screwed up when he re-wrote the lyrics to "Candle in The Wind" for her. She wasn't worthy.

Posted by: Crusader at March 19, 2025 12:37 PM (TN0g+)

131 It's Wednesday.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2025 12:34 PM (z0e6h)

It certainly feels like it should be.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 19, 2025 12:37 PM (i24o9)

132 but a lot of things that were considered "conspiracy theories" two days ago are now "conspiracy facts".

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Fun fact:

The CIA and MSM introduced the term "conspiracy theory" into popular culture in order to discourage people from holding and discussing opinions that don't adhere to government-mandated / approved party lines.

See also: COVID

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - What different discussions are 53 and 21 year old women having? at March 19, 2025 12:37 PM (qSMcm)

133 There is also references to the close relationship between Mossad and CIA at the time.
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I KNEW it!

Posted by: TuCa at March 19, 2025 12:37 PM (RIvkX)

134 "He also says that the files disclose that forensics scientists disputed the Warren Commission theory of the second shooter. Again, I'm pretty sure we knew this, but now we can read the actual documents."

Someone let me know when the CIA files mention The Comedian...

Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 19, 2025 12:37 PM (CsGsP)

135 I remember when they came to my school with that whole Reading is Fun thing. They weren't gonna fool me.
Posted by: ...

And Levar Burton can shut the hell up.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 19, 2025 12:37 PM (13bqY)

136 Jack Ruby died 4 years later in jail.

Crazy as a MFer. Nobody would trust him for anything important. By all accounts, everybody agreed on that.

How likely is it that Oswald, a former Marine, albeit communist, frequented a strip club in 1963? Owned by Ruby.

Rumor control has it, the Secret Service detail, the advance party, did just that until the wee hours of the morn …. At Jack Ruby’s strip club.

Ruby was a fixture at Dallas PD. They all knew and liked Jack, who wanted favorable treatment for his club. They in turn got free drinks and other consideration. That’s why Ruby was there several times, along with the press on Saturday and Sunday

Posted by: Common Tater at March 19, 2025 12:37 PM (xtYJY)

137
Ruby and Oswald met weeks before.
Posted by: Boss Moss

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Ruby owned a bar or something that Oswald patronized? Is what I vaguely recall?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at March 19, 2025 12:37 PM (lCaJd)

138 126 123 Ruby and Oswald met weeks before.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2025 12:36 PM (z0e6h)

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On Grindr?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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1960's version which was in this circumstance, a seedy bar owned by Ruby.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 12:37 PM (ctrM5)

139 I started to hate that woman.
Posted by: Stateless...60% - mental state clawing up from 10% at March 19, 2025 12:34 PM (jvJvP)

Day 1: "Oh, that really sucks."

Day 7: "Yeah, that was a shame, wasn't it."

Day 29: "Man, they're still talking about this?"

Day 132: "Fuck that horsefaced inbred whore, if I hear Elton John one more time i'm gonna go pin a medal on that fucking overpass and salute it."

Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 19, 2025 12:37 PM (VoAdT)

140 off sock, part deux

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 19, 2025 12:37 PM (wtvvX)

141 The theory laid out in the Stephen Hunter/Bob Lee Swagger book was, if nothing else, entertaining.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at March 19, 2025 12:37 PM (pys1d)

142 What a fantastic squirrel.
JFK has been a fantastic squirrel for decades already and this just adds data bits to bolster everyones pet theories.

Of course only a few really give a shit whodunit or of justice, only that their pet theory wins the parlor debate and they get to be smartest guy in the room, at least for a night.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 19, 2025 12:38 PM (FCbAQ)

143 94 JFK jr called Biden a “Traitor”. Not JFK

Probably because he wasn’t left wing enough, if I had to guess.
Posted by: Common Tater at March 19, 2025 12:31 PM (xtYJY)
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Yeah, you're likely right. Biden's pet project back in 1994 was a Crime bill that most on the left believe led to their perception of stuffing America's prisons with minorities.

Posted by: Teddy at March 19, 2025 12:38 PM (dIske)

144 This is the problem right here. Never read when you can just idly speculate, obfuscate and conject.
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This!

Posted by: Pudinhead at March 19, 2025 12:38 PM (Hpgos)

145 58 The “extra bullet” was placed on the stretcher by a secret service agent. He revealed this on his deathbed not too long ago.

He had stuck it in his pocket and forgot about it till at the hospital and didn’t know what to do with it. If he came clean at the time he would have lost his job.

That little quirk of history resulted in reams of BS about the incident.
Posted by: Common Tater at March 19, 2025 12:26 PM (xtYJY)

So he was just walking around with a 6.5mm bullet in his pocket in case Kennedy happened to get shot by that caliber of bullet?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 12:38 PM (uCjyK)

146 Princess Diana was like that too.

I started to hate that woman.

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I was always amazed that the teaching moment wasn't "This woman died drunk and unbuckled in the back of arguably the safest vehicle in the world."

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - What different discussions are 53 and 21 year old women having? at March 19, 2025 12:38 PM (qSMcm)

147 142 What a fantastic squirrel.
JFK has been a fantastic squirrel for decades already and this just adds data bits to bolster everyones pet theories.

Of course only a few really give a shit whodunit or of justice, only that their pet theory wins the parlor debate and they get to be smartest guy in the room, at least for a night.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 19, 2025 12:38 PM (FCbAQ)

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My pet theory is that JFK is Lee Harvey Oswald.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 12:38 PM (GBKbO)

148 The one thing that bothers me most, the most suspicious thing about the JFK shooting was the reaction. They instantly started to spin it into an incredible generational thing, a defining moment of good vs evil and an evil right wing plot.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 12:38 PM (2VST1)

149 It's Wednesday.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2025 12:34 PM (z0e6h)

Forget it he's rolling.

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 12:38 PM (D+vnQ)

150 When are they going to release the videos from those hidden cameras of JFK banging his secretaries and all those groupies? And they better not be redacted!
-Asking the real question

Posted by: haffhowershower at March 19, 2025 12:39 PM (NMT5x)

151 And Levar Burton can shut the hell up.

Blind my ass. That was a hair clip.

Posted by: Taking Notes at March 19, 2025 12:39 PM (Y1D0N)

152 >>It's Wednesday.

Nice bald spot.

Posted by: the joke that flew over your head at March 19, 2025 12:39 PM (Y1sOo)

153 ANother conspiracy point that shook me to the core. Gary Underhill died after claiming the CIA was involved.

Underhill? Underhill? The pseudonym of Frodo Baggins??

How deep does this go???

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 12:40 PM (2VST1)

154 136 Jack Ruby died 4 years later in jail.

Crazy as a MFer. Nobody would trust him for anything important. By all accounts, everybody agreed on that.

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Proves nothing. A Mafiosi head feigned public insanity for about a decade to avoid jail. It can be done and has been done if one is a good enough actor and has the will to do so.

Two ways of cover from reading about agents---one is to adopt an outrageous persona (Richard Sorge for the NKVD was that sort) and the opposite to be the gray man like NKVD/KGB Col. Rudolf Abel running a small shop in NY but in fact handling a large network of spies.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 12:40 PM (ctrM5)

155 > "I don't get why Pompeo didn't want Trump to release the files.
It doesn't make sense."
Posted by: redridinghood at March 19, 2025 12:28 PM (NpAcC)

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>> "Because secrecy, even over unimportant matters, is more important than openness."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

As of this morning, a couple of online sources claim that just 63,000 of the JFK files were released yesterday, which means that (per Trump's statement yesterday) about 17,000 files are still being withheld.

Posted by: Just reporting at March 19, 2025 12:40 PM (yEg2x)

156 Yeah, Tucker is displaying some disturbing mental imbalance when it comes to Israel policy. He is hanging with whackjobs like Macgregor, and it is starting to rub off on him.

Posted by: runner at March 19, 2025 12:40 PM (g47mK)

157 Princess Diana was like that too.

I started to hate that woman.
Posted by: Stateless...60% - mental state clawing up from 10% at March 19, 2025 12:34 PM (jvJvP)

With Charles fucking that old ashtray mouthed, craggy Camilla, anything Diana did was fine by me.

Posted by: Night lifted.... at March 19, 2025 12:41 PM (2NXcZ)

158 Gray Man was dreary. I don't like Chris Evans' smarmy personality in a co-lead (it works better in Knives Out as a supporting role).

Electric State looks a lot better.

Both are just kind of dumb, though.

Different Strokes I guess. I didn't like the visuals in Electric state at all; too cartoony. Kept expecting to hear a 70's laugh track.
Didn't see Knives out. F*ck Rianne Johnson. I thought Evans' personality worked for the character because he was a nutjob and that was his flimsy 'normal' persona he got through the day with. Agree that they are dumb but I enjoyed parts of Gray Man; wife roped me into watching Electric State. Didn't mind that much; saved from that f**king Giant Snake level in Indiana Jones and the Great Circle.

Posted by: Nelly at March 19, 2025 12:41 PM (pSknm)

159 The Underhill document was released in 2017 I believe.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2025 12:41 PM (z0e6h)

160
I've been pouring through the files since they were dumped.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes

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(apologetic sigh) I'm only doing this because there was a big discussion of "begging the question" here a few days ago.

Poring is what you were doing, Harry. Not pouring, not in this case.

And please keep doing so.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at March 19, 2025 12:41 PM (lCaJd)

161 148 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 12:38 PM (2VST1)

The right-wing is so powerful our very existence on Earth causes leftists to commit murder.

Posted by: sven at March 19, 2025 12:41 PM (X0I7i)

162 O/T, but I'm going to put this here anyway.

Bloomberg reports that Elon's X just did a $1 billion fundraise, valuing the company at $32 billion.

https://archive.is/d1w9d

It's funny, because I could swear that before the election the media were laughing at Musk because Fidelity was supposedly valuing the company at only $9 billion. I guess that X is not the financial sinkhole that the libs were hoping it would be, huh?

Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 19, 2025 12:41 PM (CsGsP)

163 USSR also noted that Oswald was a poor marksman, according to one report on The Report.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 19, 2025 12:42 PM (Cus5s)

164 Ruby and Oswald met weeks before.
Posted by: Boss Moss

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Ruby owned a bar or something that Oswald patronized? Is what I vaguely recall?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at March 19, 2025 12:37 PM (lCaJd)

Ruby owned a strip club that was connected to the Chicago mafia. He was also involved in moving prostitutes from Florida to Texas, many of whom worked in his strip club. (he had a rotating crew of temporarily hired strippers / whores, not "house strippers" or whatever.)

He was also involved in smuggling weapons to the anti-Fidel Cubans, which is where he allegedly crossed paths with Oswald, who also ran in the weapon smuggling circles in New Orleans immediately prior to the assassination.

There are multiple witnesses who place Oswald in Ruby's strip club on multiple occasions. It is highly likely Ruby was a go-between for the Chicago mafia and CIA in Dallas.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 12:42 PM (uCjyK)

165 151 And Levar Burton can shut the hell up.

Blind my ass. That was a hair clip.
Posted by: Taking Notes at March 19, 2025 12:39 PM (Y1D0N)

And he didn't sound like he was from Newcastle at all.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 19, 2025 12:42 PM (VoAdT)

166 Posted by: Crusader at March 19, 2025

What makes someone worthy for a song? Obviously Elton John was either paid or encouraged to do the rewrite. They both were attractive and had people attending to what they did. They both seen to have had not happy lives-at least in large part.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 19, 2025 12:42 PM (9gBT2)

167 For me, the Oswald connection is right close to hand. He lived here in Da Swamp for a while; both as a junior high and high school student -- went to the same HS as I did many years later, though he did not graduate. He came back and lived on Magazine Street, a ways uptown, I think with Marina.

And we've all seen the footage of him in tie and short-sleeved dress shirt trying to hand out flyers for "Fair Play for Cuba" in the downtown area. I was a kid at that time. Who knows, I might have sat next to him at a Woolworth's lunch counter.

As for the Oliver Stone movie, the casting is generally very good, except that the real-life Jim Garrison looked more like Jim Arness than he did like Costner.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 19, 2025 12:42 PM (J2vNu)

168 New York Post@nypost
[Democrat] NJ mayor Gina LaPlaca charged with DUI while driving toddler home from daycare on St. Patrick’s Day
. . .
A New Jersey mayor accused of drunk driving allegedly drove her toddler home from day care on St. Patrick’s Day, nearly crashing on the road only days after resigning from her job with another town.
Lumberton Township leader Gina LaPlaca was arrested for her alleged booze-induced stunt on March 17 after she picked up her 2-year-old son from day care.
The 45-year-old Democrat was allegedly captured on video by another driver swerving all over the road, nearly crashing into a utility pole before the footage was shared with police, WPVI reported, citing charging documents.

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Not sure she should be steering the ship of state.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at March 19, 2025 12:42 PM (L/fGl)

169 Blind my ass. That was a hair clip.

Yeah that made me literally laugh out loud when I saw the first episode of Next Generation. I could not take the character seriously, it was like seeing a kid play dressup sci fi. I put this over my eyes and its all technological and stuff!!!

Next Generation was so bad. I get it, it was the Star Trek of a younger generation and they have a lot of affection for it but there were so many lame, disappointing parts of it I could not get into the show.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 12:42 PM (2VST1)

170 Tickets for our 2025 tour are still available!

Posted by: Dead Kennedys at March 19, 2025 12:42 PM (w9Wax)

171 163 USSR also noted that Oswald was a poor marksman, according to one report on The Report.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 19, 2025 12:42 PM (Cus5s)

Yep. According to KGB files, Oswald was not recruited, but was surveilled.

Bad marksman who often got in arguments with his wife was their takeaway.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 12:43 PM (uCjyK)

172 "The theory laid out in the Stephen Hunter/Bob Lee Swagger book was, if nothing else, entertaining."

Such a good book - made me wonder for the first time if there actually was a conspiracy.

Posted by: CTHillary, dead but dreaming at March 19, 2025 12:43 PM (VXSVh)

173 Oswald was the perfect patsy. The CIA monitored Oswald after his return from the USSR. But never brought him in for questioing about his defection. They had Mohrenschildt befriend him (innocent enough, no?). They got him a job at the book depository (innocent enough, no?) They bought the rifle for him, mail order. And then someone else took the shot. They called in a favor and got Ruby to shoot Oswald. No loose ends.

Allen Dulles had plenty of motivation for this.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 19, 2025 12:43 PM (HUwNa)

174 158 Different Strokes I guess. I didn't like the visuals in Electric state at all; too cartoony. Kept expecting to hear a 70's laugh track.
Didn't see Knives out. F*ck Rianne Johnson. I thought Evans' personality worked for the character because he was a nutjob and that was his flimsy 'normal' persona he got through the day with. Agree that they are dumb but I enjoyed parts of Gray Man; wife roped me into watching Electric State. Didn't mind that much; saved from that f**king Giant Snake level in Indiana Jones and the Great Circle.
Posted by: Nelly at March 19, 2025 12:41 PM (pSknm)

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I like different when it comes to visuals, and The Electric State's visuals are different. I mean, it's ultimately just silly to see cartoon-shaped robots in a fight for their lives, which doesn't help the film. But it's something.

It feels like the Russo's trying to address the general dreariness of their visuals since...Winter Soldier.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 12:43 PM (GBKbO)

175 With Charles fucking that old ashtray mouthed, craggy Camilla, anything Diana did was fine by me.
Posted by: Night lifted..

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It was kind of odd that she chose dying in a Mercedes over being queen to royalty that has always been expected to maintain mistresses, but to each their own. Maybe she wasn't a big reader and didn't know the history.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - What different discussions are 53 and 21 year old women having? at March 19, 2025 12:43 PM (qSMcm)

176
I believe that was JFK, Jr. wasn't it?

Posted by: one hour sober at March 19, 2025 12:31 PM (Y1sOo)
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That was in 1994. If it was the late President, I want to know where Elvis is.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 19, 2025 12:34 PM (PlmO

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The Shady Rest Convalescence Center in Mud Creek, TX.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 19, 2025 12:44 PM (5Jo4L)

177 Princess Diana was like that too.

I started to hate that woman.

I will never, ever get the adoration that slag gets. She was cheating on Charles with everyone in reach (I mean, look at Chuck, small surprise but still) and was basically a drugged out piece of jet setting trash. Yeah she was prettier than your average Brit royalty but still. She was nasty.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 12:44 PM (2VST1)

178 Next Generation was so bad. I get it, it was the Star Trek of a younger generation and they have a lot of affection for it but there were so many lame, disappointing parts of it I could not get into the show.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 12:42 PM (2VST1)

NO VACCINE FOR YOU!

Posted by: Space Wakandans at March 19, 2025 12:44 PM (PiwSw)

179 147 142 What a fantastic squirrel.
JFK has been a fantastic squirrel for decades already and this just adds data bits to bolster everyones pet theories.

Of course only a few really give a shit whodunit or of justice, only that their pet theory wins the parlor debate and they get to be smartest guy in the room, at least for a night.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
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One of the classic uses of disinformation tactics is to introduce all sorts of rumors escalating to the ridiculous so that people cannot see the forest for the trees.

Anyone at this point expecting proof beyond a reasonable doubt simply will not find it in these documents. All you get is portents, interesting connections, and smoke. But, it is always wrong to discard all information by concluding that the water is dirty. Juries do that separation in trials all the time---and civil cases carry a lower preponderance of the evidence standard.

JFK case and others fascinate because it is the ultimate case for deductive reasoning and inference in attempting to ferret out what is believed to be hidden.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 12:44 PM (ctrM5)

180 Tickets for our 2025 tour are still available!
Posted by: Dead Kennedys at March 19, 2025 12:42 PM (w9Wax)

You guys need an opening act?

Posted by: Dead Schembechlers at March 19, 2025 12:45 PM (Y1sOo)

181 Proves nothing. A Mafiosi head feigned public insanity for about a decade to avoid jail. It can be done and has been done if one is a good enough actor and has the will to do so.

Two ways of cover from reading about agents---one is to adopt an outrageous persona (Richard Sorge for the NKVD was that sort) and the opposite to be the gray man like NKVD/KGB Col. Rudolf Abel running a small shop in NY but in fact handling a large network of spies.
Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 12:40 PM (ctrM5)

Another fun fact: Ruby met with good old Dr. Jolly West of MKUltra fame not long before he "lost his mind."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 12:45 PM (uCjyK)

182 Next Generation was so bad. I get it, it was the Star Trek of a younger generation and they have a lot of affection for it but there were so many lame, disappointing parts of it I could not get into the show.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 12:42 PM (2VST1)
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How dare you!

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at March 19, 2025 12:45 PM (RIvkX)

183 Louis “Joly” West, a hypnotist spook psychiatrist, examined Jack Ruby, in his cell, probably at the behest of higher ups. A little truth serum, a little hypnosis, let’s see what this guy was up to. He “examined” quite a few interesting characters in their cells, including Tim McVeigh.

The “conspiracy theories” do involve mind control, manchurian type candidates and spook agencies.

Dr. West is probably most famous for killing an Elephant with L.S.D. in the MkUltra days. Something something about not confusing dosage, body weight, and actual brain size.

Posted by: Common Tater at March 19, 2025 12:45 PM (xtYJY)

184 Hi everybody!

Longest week ever.
Posted by: ace at March 19, 2025 12:28 PM (KRtlO)

What's wrong, Ace? Are you sick again?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at March 19, 2025 12:45 PM (Q0kLU)

185 USSR also noted that Oswald was a poor marksman, according to one report on The Report.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 19, 2025 12:42 PM (Cus5s)

I got better.

Posted by: L.H. Oswald at March 19, 2025 12:45 PM (/HDaX)

186 It was kind of odd that she chose dying in a Mercedes over being queen to royalty that has always been expected to maintain mistresses, but to each their own. Maybe she wasn't a big reader and didn't know the history.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - What different discussions are 53 and 21 year old women having? at March 19, 2025 12:43 PM (qSMcm)

Maybe she thought that ended with Mary of Teck.

Posted by: Night lifted.... at March 19, 2025 12:45 PM (2NXcZ)

187 We will never know who killed JFK. There is no way anything of value over something that momentous, survived this long.

Posted by: runner at March 19, 2025 12:46 PM (g47mK)

188 We're all being chummed by the Intelligence Services, particularly the CIA and those fucking cocksuckers in the FBI.

Time has whitewashed this particular moment in history, and I have marginal interest in who the fuck killed JFK.

CIA, SS, Soviets, Mafia, Cubans or Johnson. Fuck it, let's throw the Clintons in there, why don't we?

Posted by: Rev Wishbone at March 19, 2025 12:46 PM (fY84s)

189 I didn't like the androgynous generation either.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2025 12:46 PM (z0e6h)

190 And we've all seen the footage of him in tie and short-sleeved dress shirt trying to hand out flyers for "Fair Play for Cuba" in the downtown area. I was a kid at that time. Who knows, I might have sat next to him at a Woolworth's lunch counter.

As for the Oliver Stone movie, the casting is generally very good, except that the real-life Jim Garrison looked more like Jim Arness than he did like Costner.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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You will find some of that Fair Play for Cuba documents in the latest dump. No names redacted but some of the agents are referred to under codenames.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 12:46 PM (ctrM5)

191 That is when the Watergate burglary happened btw and it was sometimes speculated that it was the CIA that torpedoed Nixon on purpose via Hunt.

Hunt filled the action team with former CIA anti Communist Cuban assets that you can cross check with the multitude of docs released regarding anti Castro Cuban operations and naming specific names.

Posted by: whig

Yes, the CIA had it in for Nixon, and the press went along willingly since Nixon had prosecuted Alger Hiss for being a communist agent. Also, Mark Felt was the number two at FBI, and when Nixon bypassed him for an outsider to run the agency, Felt became the fake news source Deep Throat.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 19, 2025 12:47 PM (lTGtQ)

192 163 Posted by: illiniwek at March 19, 2025 12:42 PM (Cus5s)

He was an average marine marksman. The shot was less than 200 yards with a rifle at least as accurate as a modern Designated Marksman weapon. The lesson of Hodur from Norse myth comes to mind regardless.

Posted by: sven at March 19, 2025 12:47 PM (X0I7i)

193 Afternoon ace
I was 9 months old when JFK was assassinated. I suspected then that it was an inside job. Still suspect it.
Still good to see this stuff released after 60 YEARS

Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 19, 2025 12:47 PM (bVN1m)

194 JFK case and others fascinate because it is the ultimate case for deductive reasoning and inference in attempting to ferret out what is believed to be hidden.
Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 12:44 PM (ctrM5)

And because if we can prove that the CIA killed Kennedy, then hopefully people can stop being retards and open their eyes a bit more as to how the world really works.

And it's far enough removed in time to not be such a political hot topic where people dig in on their preferred "teams" or R v D or whatever.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 12:47 PM (uCjyK)

195 178 Next Generation was so bad. I get it, it was the Star Trek of a younger generation and they have a lot of affection for it but there were so many lame, disappointing parts of it I could not get into the show.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 12:42 PM (2VST1)

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Ronald D. Moore was on Katee Sackhoff's podcast recently and talked pretty extensively about his time on TNG (as well as BSG, Outlander, and his upcoming work on God of War):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu704p568-Y

It's a good listen.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 12:47 PM (GBKbO)

196 ace is discombobulated by the demonic DST, as all of us (normal people) are. that is why the week seems long.

Posted by: runner at March 19, 2025 12:47 PM (g47mK)

197 It did come out that Kennedy once said in an interview that no one should question his "muslim faith" which some people thought was a weird thing to say.

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 12:47 PM (D+vnQ)

198 Basically confirmed a bunch of fuckery with left wing and communist collaborator as the primary shooter.

Posted by: Rando Calrissian at March 19, 2025 12:47 PM (uTp11)

199 I like different when it comes to visuals, and The Electric State's visuals are different. I mean, it's ultimately just silly to see cartoon-shaped robots in a fight for their lives, which doesn't help the film. But it's something.

Its based on a graphic novel, and most of the visuals and characters are straight out of it, from what I understand. A lot of people are unhappy or turned away by the Mr Peanut thing, but I think the concept of it is valid: they are robots, this one just happened to be a mascot. It could be whimsical and somewhat menacing if written well but apparently that didn't work in the movie.

The real flaw with this movie was that it cost like 25 Godzilla Minus Ones. That budget is utterly unforgivably vast, and makes no sense. Make it for 50 million or less and it earns money and people aren't as disgusted by it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 12:47 PM (2VST1)

200 Great. Now release the Butler Files.

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 12:47 PM (D+vnQ)

201 Princess Diana was like that too.

I started to hate that woman.
Posted by: Stateless...60% - mental state clawing up from 10% at March 19, 2025 12:34 PM (jvJvP)

My first husband was in the hospital, dying. The damn fool nurses had every TV on the floor tuned in to that fucking circus. The cancer ward tends to be kinda quiet and that shit was echoing thru the halls. I kept R door shut as much as possible but anytime a nurse came into the room, they propped the door open. I told them I didn't care about some Royal nitwit who died because she was just too special to let just anyone take her fucking picture and didn't want to listen to that stupid hoopla when a man that was very important to me was struggling to live a few more days. After I had my say, the sound went off on all of those TVs. Nurses had to be content with reading the scrollers or the closed captions. Four other people who had loved ones in that ward thanked me. They were tired of it too, but didn't want to say anything.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at March 19, 2025 12:48 PM (4XwPj)

202 "I'm pretty sure I don't care about the Kennedy assassination. Pretty much everyone associated with it is dead, including Kennedy"

True, but I think the more important issue now is finding out who may have been covering for whom, who was hiding and redacting relevant information, etc.

I don't care at this point about punishing a specific person.
But at this point I have no trust whatsoever in any transparency from any government agency. This stuff was buried for 50 plus years, and why? Was it really national security or was it butt covering?

I hope this continues to break the dam.

Posted by: RM at March 19, 2025 12:48 PM (n/1Oj)

203 I want them to release the Joe Biden files.

Posted by: runner at March 19, 2025 12:48 PM (g47mK)

204 It's pretty much true, though, that 11/22/63 was the moment America had its legs kicked out from under it, and lost its self-confidence.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 19, 2025 12:48 PM (J2vNu)

205 Great. Now release the Pfizer Pfiles.

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 12:48 PM (D+vnQ)

206 199 Its based on a graphic novel, and most of the visuals and characters are straight out of it, from what I understand. A lot of people are unhappy or turned away by the Mr Peanut thing, but I think the concept of it is valid: they are robots, this one just happened to be a mascot. It could be whimsical and somewhat menacing if written well but apparently that didn't work in the movie.

The real flaw with this movie was that it cost like 25 Godzilla Minus Ones. That budget is utterly unforgivably vast, and makes no sense. Make it for 50 million or less and it earns money and people aren't as disgusted by it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 12:47 PM (2VST1)

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I'm in this frame of mind where I wonder what this script would have been done with 50 years ago and with $100,000.

I thought the same thing when I saw Novocaine this weekend.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 12:48 PM (GBKbO)

207 108 Electric State was kind of fun to watch. I just couldn;t get over how they made Chris Pratt look like Hans Solo.

pilot of the wunderbar falke?

Posted by: anachronda at March 19, 2025 12:49 PM (oY6Yp)

208 There is one person connected to this case who is still alive.

Lee Harvey Oswald's widow. She's 83 and continues to live in Texas.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at March 19, 2025 12:49 PM (43hl8)

209 Another fun fact: Ruby met with good old Dr. Jolly West of MKUltra fame not long before he "lost his mind."
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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I am not really up on all the MK Ultra stuff. But, I was RA for a guy who was a key staffer on the Church Commission and had enough clout to interview CIA chiefs. I had to transcribe those interviews (nothing was secret btw in those interviews).

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 12:49 PM (ctrM5)

210 USSR also noted that Oswald was a poor marksman, according to one report on The Report.

Good or bad shot, nobody is arguing he didn't hit the limo, I don't understand this approach. It was a large, slow moving target and he was set and braced.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 12:49 PM (2VST1)

211
I was always amazed that the teaching moment wasn't "This woman died drunk and unbuckled in the back of arguably the safest vehicle in the world."
Posted by: Boron Cobbie

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I don't know about her being drunk -- she'd just enjoyed dinner, no doubt with alcohol, at the Ritz -- but the driver (who was employed by the Ritz, not part of the royal or Fayed security detail) apparently was, everyone was unbuckled, and the bodyguards inexplicably let it all happen.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at March 19, 2025 12:49 PM (lCaJd)

212 187 We will never know who killed JFK. There is no way anything of value over something that momentous, survived this long.
Posted by: runner at March 19, 2025 12:46 PM (g47mK)

I think we know more or less who killed JFK. It's just a matter of proving it.

It was a somewhat off-the-books operation by Allen Dulles and James Jesus Angleton, and they used criminals (mafia) and Cuban exiles (from the Bay of Pigs era) to do the dirty work.

And of course, Allen Dulles basically ran the Warren commission, where he found no wrong doing by Allen Dulles or the CIA.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 12:49 PM (uCjyK)

213 163 USSR also noted that Oswald was a poor marksman, according to one report on The Report.
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He qualified as a Marksman (lowest passing score) once and he was using an M1 rifle - which is a very accurate and easy aiming weapon. He was a radar guy in the Marines. Never qualified again. The one that bothered me is there is no record of him zeroing his Italian rifle. Making head shots on moving targets require a zeroed rifle. Those facts make me go mmm.

Posted by: Pudinhead at March 19, 2025 12:50 PM (Hpgos)

214 I'll admit releasing the JFK Files is a bit of poor sportsmanship after what Trump already did to Deep Throat.

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 12:50 PM (D+vnQ)

215 "He also says that the files disclose that forensics scientists disputed the Warren Commission theory of the second shooter. Again, I'm pretty sure we knew this, but now we can read the actual documents."

I didn't go to journalism school, so I shouldn't be allowed to read them.

Posted by: Doof at March 19, 2025 12:50 PM (Uq+qx)

216 206 I'm in this frame of mind where I wonder what this script would have been done with 50 years ago and with $100,000.

sounds like a job for supermarionation!

Posted by: anachronda at March 19, 2025 12:50 PM (oY6Yp)

217 It was kind of odd that she chose dying in a Mercedes over being queen to royalty that has always been expected to maintain mistresses, but to each their own. Maybe she wasn't a big reader and didn't know the history.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - What different discussions are 53 and 21 year old women having? at March 19, 2025 12:43 PM (qSMcm)

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IIRC, Mohamed Al-Fayed believed MI6 and possibly The Royal Family murdered Diana and his son.

Release The Files!

/

Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 19, 2025 12:50 PM (5Jo4L)

218 Good or bad shot, nobody is arguing he didn't hit the limo, I don't understand this approach. It was a large, slow moving target and he was set and braced.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 12:49 PM (2VST1)

A lot of people (me included) think it's more likely than not that Oswald did not fire a single shot that day, and was in fact in the first floor cafeteria of the building at the time of the shooting, exactly where multiple witnesses put him.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 12:50 PM (uCjyK)

219 The trick with Star Trek TNG is that you have a genuinely awful first season with a handful of gems scattered throughout, largely because the backstage struggles are very possibly the worst I've ever heard of that didn't involve Klaus Kinski. Season 2 was a bit better, and the worst of the horrific sexual deviants got washed out, and by Season 3, it's actually largely a good show.

Posted by: American Hawkman at March 19, 2025 12:50 PM (9VDxG)

220 I didn't like the androgynous generation either.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2025 12:46 PM

* flexes *

* back double biceps pose *

Posted by: David Hogg, Harvard graduate at March 19, 2025 12:51 PM (a3Q+t)

221 @210 The shot came from the book depository, but it wasn't taken by Oswald. The CIA used a patsy.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 19, 2025 12:51 PM (HUwNa)

222 Ronald D. Moore was on Katee Sackhoff's podcast recently and talked pretty extensively about his time on TNG (as well as BSG, Outlander, and his upcoming work on God of War):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu704p568-Y

It's a good listen.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman

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He's always been very plain that Voyager was a big pile of garbage. The ship would take disastrous damage and in the next episode would be pristine. And the whole conflict between Starfleet and Maquis disappeared, as did the resource shortages.

When he did BSG, he paid attention to all of that.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 19, 2025 12:51 PM (PzXaK)

223 I don't know about her being drunk -- she'd just enjoyed dinner, no doubt with alcohol, at the Ritz -- but the driver (who was employed by the Ritz, not part of the royal or Fayed security detail) apparently was, everyone was unbuckled, and the bodyguards inexplicably let it all happen.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

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She was impaired or simply just not bright enough to not buckle her seatbelt in the safest car in the world.

Look at the photos. The backseat is in surprisingly great shape. She would've been fine.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - What different discussions are 53 and 21 year old women having? at March 19, 2025 12:51 PM (qSMcm)

224 I don't get why Pompeo didn't want Trump to release the files.
It doesn't make sense.
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Because secrecy, even over unimportant matters, is more important than openness.

An actual valid reason (given that we could trust the various three letter agencies) would be "releasing info on this cover/legend could lead to tying it to a second cover/legend, ..., eventually to a current asset."

Of course, this is moot because of the various spies who have sold info, etc.

Posted by: Chuck C at March 19, 2025 12:52 PM (D0HYP)

225 OK, now release any files on what happened to JFK, Jr.

A lot of people are suspicious about that plane crash.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at March 19, 2025 12:52 PM (6ydKt)

226 Book suppository is what?

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2025 12:52 PM (z0e6h)

227 USSR also noted that Oswald was a poor marksman, according to one report on The Report.

Good or bad shot, nobody is arguing he didn't hit the limo, I don't understand this approach. It was a large, slow moving target and he was set and braced.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

And only a hundred yards away.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 19, 2025 12:52 PM (lTGtQ)

228 We can finally bring those remaining 95 years olds to justice.

Hopefully President Baron Trump releases the Epstein files in 2060.

Posted by: Promises Redacted at March 19, 2025 12:53 PM (bFutY)

229 222 He's always been very plain that Voyager was a big pile of garbage. The ship would take disastrous damage and in the next episode would be pristine. And the whole conflict between Starfleet and Maquis disappeared, as did the resource shortages.

When he did BSG, he paid attention to all of that.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 19, 2025 12:51 PM (PzXaK)

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If I remember correctly, he lasted about a month in the writers' room of Voyager. He'd lasted through most of TNG and almost all of DS9, but then he started in Voyager, and asked one of the fellow writers, "Who is B'elana Torres?"

The other writer just shrugged.

He left Star Trek then and hasn't been back.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 12:53 PM (GBKbO)

230 Oswald fired from the book suppository

Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 19, 2025 12:53 PM (bVN1m)

231 I don't get why Pompeo didn't want Trump to release the files.
It doesn't make sense.

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Remember all the cries of "Our Democracy"?

That.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - What different discussions are 53 and 21 year old women having? at March 19, 2025 12:53 PM (qSMcm)

232
I want them to release the Joe Biden files.
Posted by: runner

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The Hur audio, please, if it still exists.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at March 19, 2025 12:53 PM (lCaJd)

233 ST:TNG is what you get when there's a full of himself Gene Roddenberry without a Gene Coon to tell him that his ideas are shit.

To close the circle here, Roddenberry pitched the idea for TMP to have the crew go back in time to stop the Kennedy assassination and ended up with Spock killing him.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 19, 2025 12:53 PM (PzXaK)

234 I think it was HWB/Johnson and CIA.

Already the Loomers of the world are screaming "redacted" and "nothing new."

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at March 19, 2025 12:53 PM (6PCLE)

235 I was 9 months old when JFK was assassinated. I suspected then that it was an inside job. Still suspect it.
Still good to see this stuff released after 60 YEARS

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I was 3 months old, and threw my bottle down in disgust knowing all was not as it seemed.

Posted by: Lady in Black at March 19, 2025 12:53 PM (qBdHI)

236 "The Warren Commission says the same bullet caused a bunch of injuries to both men -- "pausing in mid-air, mind you."

The trajectory of the "magic bullet" was proven true - Connally was seated ahead and *inboard* of Kennedy and their wounds line up.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at March 19, 2025 12:53 PM (zrlyb)

237 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 19, 2025 12:53 PM (tjClK)

238 Too busy with placating post-vaccines Lil Pooky, but has this theory (one I've entertained for years) somewhat been proven valid: That Oswald was basically a CIA asset that went rogue?

Posted by: pookysgirl, running out of infant Tylenol at March 19, 2025 12:54 PM (Wt5PA)

239 A lot of people are suspicious about that plane crash.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at March 19, 2025 12:52 PM (6ydKt)

What's suspicious about it? He flew into conditions he wasn't trained for and it cost him and his passengers dearly.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at March 19, 2025 12:54 PM (/HDaX)

240 I'd be satisfied with the Khalidi Tapes at this point

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 12:54 PM (D+vnQ)

241 A lot of people are suspicious about that plane crash.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at March 19, 2025 12:52 PM (6ydKt)

Who?

JFK Jr. was dumber than a rock, too arrogant to realize that he wasn't a good pilot, and got two people killed as a result. The accident was understandable.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 19, 2025 12:54 PM (L5An7)

242 "Mortal Error" by Bonar Menninger

Whatever else happened that day and after, the SS hid from the American public that the President's massive headwound was caused by an accidental discharge.

Obvious to anyone who has an understanding of terminal ballistics.

Posted by: Alamo at March 19, 2025 12:54 PM (Gn4ZR)

243 236 "The Warren Commission says the same bullet caused a bunch of injuries to both men -- "pausing in mid-air, mind you."

The trajectory of the "magic bullet" was proven true - Connally was seated ahead and *inboard* of Kennedy and their wounds line up.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at March 19, 2025 12:53 PM (zrlyb)

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There was a second spitter.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 12:54 PM (GBKbO)

244 Yeah, well, more conspiracy theories proven correct.....government lies. Government covers up.

We all know this.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 19, 2025 12:54 PM (tjClK)

245 Good or bad shot, nobody is arguing he didn't hit the limo, I don't understand this approach. It was a large, slow moving target and he was set and braced.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 12:49 PM (2VST1)
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Yeah, for years I thought, and I believe this impression was purposely created, the shots in question were some super human feat of marksmanship. Imagine my surprise when I found out the actual distance was less than 100 yards.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 19, 2025 12:54 PM (tT6L1)

246 And because if we can prove that the CIA killed Kennedy, then hopefully people can stop being retards and open their eyes a bit more as to how the world really works.

And it's far enough removed in time to not be such a political hot topic where people dig in on their preferred "teams" or R v D or whatever.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

Re domestic suspects, I think it more likely that someone like Allen Dulles, who was fired and humiliated by Kennedy, might have recruited some former 'assets' as these documents indicate that there were a LOT of assets (these are not formal agents but basically people that the CIA used from time to time and paid them). Plenty of documentation there about shell companies, inserting agents into companies like Brown and Root, journalism, etc. and so on.

From what I recall, MI-6 did something similar in that formal agents were few in number but there were a tremendous number of auxiliary assets (some paid, some unpaid) of all sorts on tap for specific jobs.

The old saying is 'off the books' ops.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 12:55 PM (ctrM5)

247 * flexes *

* back double biceps pose *
Posted by: David Hogg, Harvard graduate at March 19, 2025 12:51 PM

*laughs*

*kicks sand in face*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 19, 2025 12:55 PM (hOk1M)

248 They did a gunshot residue test on Oswald. First one came up with no gunshot residue. Second test found a small amount on the palm of his hand.

Allegedly he fired 3 rounds from a rifle and several rounds from a revolver that day.

The FBI claims, improbably, that gunshot residue tests of that era were unreliable. Unfortunately, they claim the exact opposite when they use that information to convict people for murder.

So I'd say it's more likely than not Oswald didn't fire any firearms on that day.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 12:55 PM (uCjyK)

249 I've been to the X on the street in Dallas, but have never been to the Book Repository.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 19, 2025 12:55 PM (tjClK)

250 Couldn't have been Oswald. The book depository was sloped.

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 12:55 PM (D+vnQ)

251 But, so far, the biggest, to me, it JFK writing a letter to Biden calling him a "traitor."
I want more details on that.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 19, 2025 12:26 PM (MC8h6)

It was JFK Jr. However, JFK Jr was apparently working on issues around trafficked children before he died tragically. Or else planning to use the issue to launch his own political career.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 19, 2025 12:55 PM (D7oie)

252 >>A lot of people are suspicious about that plane crash.

I'm not. Classic case of a relatively inexperienced pilot flying VFR in low light conditions with no discernable horizon becoming spatially disoriented and spiraling in.

Posted by: one hour sober at March 19, 2025 12:55 PM (Y1sOo)

253 There is/was a "barricade" incident outside CIA HQ this morning, with the Fairfax Co. SWAT and Special Operations unit in full force within two blocks of the property line. Reports of a suspicious car and a somebody running around. Drones! Lots of traffic stopped on Dolley Madison Blvd.

Posted by: mrp at March 19, 2025 12:56 PM (rj6Yv)

254 This does not prove Trump didn't kill JFK!!!!!!!

Posted by: Democrat Underground Regulars at March 19, 2025 12:56 PM (aBgBM)

255 Kostiov information isn't new. Decades old.
There is no "fourth bullet".
"Howard Hunt" is the oilman. KGB forged a letter purporting to be from Oswald to Hunt, looking for work.
When the Watergate Howard Hunt popped up, this made the rounds again.
As I predicted, plenty of human and electronic sources revealed, and plans and methods. There are instructions on how to check a phone to see if it's tapped using a fluoroscope!
Oswald killed Kennedy by himself. Then he fled the building, and eventually ran into officer JD Tippit, whom he also killed. Ruby killed Oswald by himself. No one would have Ruby as their assassin. He went into a Western Union minutes before Oswald was going to be transferred! If he had been tasked with killing Oswald by people who would either pay him well to do it or kill Ruby if he didn't, he would be on site, as ordered. He would never take the chance of getting in a line at Western Union to wire money to someone RIGHT BEFORE HE WAS SUPPOSED TO KILL OSWALD!

Posted by: Cowboy Wally at March 19, 2025 12:56 PM (yHg/E)

256 I'm not. Classic case of a relatively inexperienced pilot flying VFR in low light conditions with no discernable horizon becoming spatially disoriented and spiraling in.
Posted by: one hour sober at March 19, 2025 12:55 PM (Y1sOo)

Or so THEY want you to believe.

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 12:56 PM (D+vnQ)

257 I'm waiting for them to release the Hindenburg disaster files. I'm sure FDR had Amelia Earhart do the deed before having her disappear over the Pacific ocean a few weeks later!

* sinister music plays *

Posted by: Beartooth at March 19, 2025 12:56 PM (dJimA)

258 221 @210 The shot came from the book depository, but it wasn't taken by Oswald. The CIA used a patsy.
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Yep, Lee Harvey was a drop pistol. The Cubans are fairly well known but the Mossad guys were somehow associated with this too.

Posted by: Pudinhead at March 19, 2025 12:56 PM (Hpgos)

259 " the actual distance was less than 100 yards."

From the book depository the target was straight ahead and moving at 5 mph.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 19, 2025 12:57 PM (HUwNa)

260 So far, Hesgeth releasing the Benghazi records is just a rumor, I can't find any official statement. I hope he does though, timed appropriately (IMHO, anytime is appropriate).

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 19, 2025 12:57 PM (wFdv2)

261 Anyone remember the Quantum Leap episode on the JFK assassination? Couldn't believe that it pushed the lone gunman theory - despite its probable accuracy.

Posted by: CTHillary, dead but dreaming at March 19, 2025 12:57 PM (VXSVh)

262 Book suppository is what?
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2025 12:52 PM

Painful, I would imagine.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 19, 2025 12:57 PM (hOk1M)

263 I'll admit releasing the JFK Files is a bit of poor sportsmanship after what Trump already did to Deep Throat.

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 12:50 PM (D+vnQ)

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Comey wanted to be The Next Mark Felt Treasonous Commie Traitor (BIRM thrice).

Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 19, 2025 12:57 PM (5Jo4L)

264 Lots of traffic stopped on Dolley Madison Blvd.
Posted by: mrp at March 19, 2025 12:56 PM (rj6Yv)

Inappropes.

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 12:57 PM (D+vnQ)

265 Oh, right, JFK Jr., that's the former small airplane pilot?

So yeah, maybe Trump did slip that letter in there as a Master Troll of the rest of the family that all lined up to endorse Kamala and attack RFK Jr?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 19, 2025 12:57 PM (MC8h6)

266 The old saying is 'off the books' ops.
Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 12:55 PM (ctrM5)

Yeah, I think that's exactly what happened. I think most of the CIA operations of that era were "off the books".

Their charter was to operate under "plausible deniability". So record keeping on these kinds of things was likely purposely not done.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 12:57 PM (uCjyK)

267
She was impaired or simply just not bright enough to not buckle her seatbelt in the safest car in the world.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie

============

I'm guessing just a little lazy and above-it-all. Dodi reportedly didn't like buckling up either. Most people don't, I imagine. I wouldn't buckle if I wasn't convinced of its importance.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at March 19, 2025 12:57 PM (lCaJd)

268 254 This does not prove Trump didn't kill JFK!!!!!!!
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This is, of course, of concern.

Posted by: Pudinhead at March 19, 2025 12:57 PM (Hpgos)

269 Oswald killed Kennedy by himself. Then he fled the building, and eventually ran into officer JD Tippit, whom he also killed. Ruby killed Oswald by himself. No one would have Ruby as their assassin. He went into a Western Union minutes before Oswald was going to be transferred! If he had been tasked with killing Oswald by people who would either pay him well to do it or kill Ruby if he didn't, he would be on site, as ordered. He would never take the chance of getting in a line at Western Union to wire money to someone RIGHT BEFORE HE WAS SUPPOSED TO KILL OSWALD!

Posted by: Cowboy Wally at March 19, 2025 12:56 PM (yHg/E)

You guys. I think Keith Olbermann has found us.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 19, 2025 12:57 PM (tjClK)

270

TNG put me to sleep, so antiseptic...the Q guy was pretty good though.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at March 19, 2025 12:58 PM (et1vG)

271 Things are tough all over.

"Really disappointed": San Fran Pride Parade short on funds because corporate sponsors no longer want to be associated with it

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at March 19, 2025 12:58 PM (L/fGl)

272 "A lot like CUOMO 19, and Pearl Harbor the horsefuckery about 22NOV63 is civil servant self-preservation mode. There was provable actionable intel that belied each and a lot of small moving pieces dropped the ball on each."

That has been my general belief. Vince Bugliosi pointed out more than once that there are always holes in any murder case.

Posted by: RM at March 19, 2025 12:58 PM (n/1Oj)

273 265 Oh, right, JFK Jr., that's the former small airplane pilot?
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That flew upside down.

Posted by: Pudinhead at March 19, 2025 12:58 PM (Hpgos)

274 The trajectory of the "magic bullet" was proven true - Connally was seated ahead and *inboard* of Kennedy and their wounds line up.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at March 19, 2025 12:53 PM (zrlyb)

Proven true?

I think at best we can say it's not impossible for one bullet to cause the damage it did, although highly highly improbable.

What is more or less impossible is for said bullet to be found nearly pristine on a stretcher in Parkland hospital.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 12:58 PM (uCjyK)

275 I've been to the X on the street in Dallas, but have never been to the Book Repository.

Posted by: Sponge

I was up there several years ago. Easy shot.

The only problem is that the limousine was covering up the X when he shot.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 19, 2025 12:58 PM (lTGtQ)

276 Trump releases 80,000 files.
Democrat Twitter, 7 minutes later: It was the Jews.

Posted by: Wally at March 19, 2025 12:58 PM (ZiX2K)

277 >>>Book suppository is what?

Posted by: Boss Moss

>>It's a report commissioned by Congress to deliver medication via your tender orifices.

Posted by: Rev Wishbone at March 19, 2025 12:59 PM (fY84s)

278 But, so far, the biggest, to me, it JFK writing a letter to Biden calling him a "traitor."
I want more details on that.

This made me like JFK just a little bit more.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 19, 2025 12:59 PM (lIio7)

279 "Really disappointed": San Fran Pride Parade short on funds because corporate sponsors no longer want to be associated with it
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at March 19, 2025 12:58 PM (L/fGl

Or the funding to the sponsors has been cut off...

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 12:59 PM (D+vnQ)

280 Lots of traffic stopped on Dolley Madison Blvd.
Posted by: mrp at March 19, 2025 12:56 PM (rj6Yv)

FFX County police have shut down 123 in both directions between Georgetown Pike and Savile Ln here.

Traffic is...well, it's crap in the best of times. Now it's just a standstill. If I had a portable backpack coffee maker I'd make a fortune.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 19, 2025 12:59 PM (PzXaK)

281 231 I don't get why Pompeo didn't want Trump to release the files.
It doesn't make sense.

-

Remember all the cries of "Our Democracy"?

That.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie

One is tradecraft but that is readily apparent from reading any decent spy novel written by a huge number of former spies. A second though is intimations of how deep was the stream that the IC was swimming in. A third is that it reveals some ties to foreign intel agencies and cooperation with them. The last, I think, is the CIA had Oswald under surveillance before the assassination and had its people sniffing around him. Either they were incompetent or they were acting as shepherds for a live op.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 12:59 PM (ctrM5)

282 I have only read a small portion. But on one level I can see why the agency didn’t want some of it out. There is without question the revealing of some tradecraft in the documents that we still use today. I don’t believe that’s ultimately why they didn’t want this released, and probably a pretext. But it’s a notable one. The other thing missing so far is motive. At a minimum it looks like the agency knew there was at least a threat to the president and did nothing about it. At worst they conspired with other foreign actors to take direct action.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2025 12:59 PM (JAX87)

283 "Really disappointed": San Fran Pride Parade short on funds because corporate sponsors no longer want to be associated with it
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at March 19, 2025 12:58 PM

Oh, no.
Anyway...

Posted by: Most people at March 19, 2025 01:00 PM (dg+HA)

284 ST:TNG is what you get when there's a full of himself Gene Roddenberry without a Gene Coon to tell him that his ideas are shit.

To close the circle here, Roddenberry pitched the idea for TMP to have the crew go back in time to stop the Kennedy assassination and ended up with Spock killing him.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 19, 2025

***
Much as I love ST:TNG, it's true. Roddenberry was a good "big picture" man, "Wagon Train to the Stars," etc. And he was a good rewrite man. But his own scripts for ST:TOS, "The Cage" aside, are not up to the standard he himself set for his writers. His Have Gun -- Will Travel stories are not the best of the show by any measure.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 19, 2025 01:00 PM (J2vNu)

285
"Really disappointed": San Fran Pride Parade short on funds because corporate sponsors no longer want to be associated with it
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at March 19, 2025 12:58 PM (L/fGl)

Pride is one of the 7 deadlies.

Shoving your tranny cock in people's faces tends to make them not want to fund the sponsors, in most cases.

Seems, logical.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 19, 2025 01:00 PM (tjClK)

286 I think at best we can say it's not impossible for one bullet to cause the damage it did, although highly highly improbable.

What is more or less impossible is for said bullet to be found nearly pristine on a stretcher in Parkland hospital.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes

From what I have seen, it is not. The bullet is deformed and bent, but the angle of the publicized photo does not show that.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 19, 2025 01:00 PM (lTGtQ)

287 278 But, so far, the biggest, to me, it JFK writing a letter to Biden calling him a "traitor."
I want more details on that.

This made me like JFK just a little bit more.
Posted by: bonhomme
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Wrote in 1994. Odd that it was stuck in those releases.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 01:00 PM (ctrM5)

288 That has been my general belief. Vince Bugliosi pointed out more than once that there are always holes in any murder case.
Posted by: RM at March 19, 2025 12:58 PM (n/1Oj)

Accidents too. That's where the syrup goes.

Posted by: Rachel Corrie at March 19, 2025 01:00 PM (D+vnQ)

289 " I think it more likely that someone like Allen Dulles, who was fired and humiliated by Kennedy, might have recruited some former 'assets' as these documents indicate that there were a LOT of assets"

Yep. Allen was a playa. He wanted a war over Cuba, but JFK got in the way. He wanted a war in Vietnam. And LBJ gave it to him.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 19, 2025 01:00 PM (HUwNa)

290 > What is more or less impossible is for said bullet to be found nearly pristine on a stretcher in Parkland hospital.

It's squished and bent like a banana. I've posted pictures before. Anyone who has gone hunting for a few years has found more pristine bullets in the carcasses of their kills.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 19, 2025 01:00 PM (lIio7)

291 What is more or less impossible is for said bullet to be found nearly pristine on a stretcher in Parkland hospital.
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A secret service agent confessed to placing the bullet on that stretcher at Parkland. Have to stay current on those kinds of things. He found it in the limo and put it in his pocket. He forgot about it and didn’t want to lose his job.

Posted by: Common Tater at March 19, 2025 01:00 PM (oDIDz)

292 imagine my surprise when I found out the actual distance was less than 100 yards.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 19, 2025 12:54 PM (tT6L1)

And the limo was moving slowly... supposedly around 5 MPH.

Any halfway decent shooter could make those shots easily.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 19, 2025 01:01 PM (L5An7)

293 Book suppository is what?
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2025 12:52 PM

Painful, I would imagine.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 19, 2025 12:57 PM (hOk1M
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Helps with binding.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 19, 2025 01:01 PM (PlmO8)

294 Anyone remember the Quantum Leap episode on the JFK assassination? Couldn't believe that it pushed the lone gunman theory - despite its probable accuracy.

Posted by: CTHillary, dead but dreaming at March 19, 2025 12:57 PM (VXSVh)

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The X-Files had a story arc where the shooter was reveal to be the Cigarette Smoking Man (CSM), was subsequently became the Director of the (what we would characterized now as) GloboHomo Deep State.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 19, 2025 01:01 PM (5Jo4L)

295 25 was it aliens ??
Posted by: runner at March 19, 2025 12:21 PM (g47mK)

Tune in to find out!
Posted by: Giorgio Tsoukalos
......

He was buried on Oak Island.

Posted by: wth at March 19, 2025 01:01 PM (v0R5T)

296 *revealed

Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 19, 2025 01:01 PM (5Jo4L)

297 276 Trump releases 80,000 files.
Democrat Twitter, 7 minutes later: It was the Jews.
Posted by: Wally
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Some of the files indicate the close relationship between Israeli intel and the CIA. That is what they are picking up on.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 01:01 PM (ctrM5)

298 294 Anyone remember the Quantum Leap episode on the JFK assassination? Couldn't believe that it pushed the lone gunman theory - despite its probable accuracy.

Posted by: CTHillary, dead but dreaming at March 19, 2025 12:57 PM (VXSVh)

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They made that episode because they were irritated by the movie JFK and its conspiracy theorizing.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 01:01 PM (GBKbO)

299 I've mostly been of the mindset of 'F' Star Trek in all it's forms, other than a couple of the movies that entertained me as a yute.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 19, 2025 01:01 PM (tjClK)

300 I'm guessing just a little lazy and above-it-all. Dodi reportedly didn't like buckling up either. Most people don't, I imagine. I wouldn't buckle if I wasn't convinced of its importance.

--

I have to wonder though, when you're going nearly 100mph*, your inner self should be telling you to buckle up.

*I don't know how fast the car was going, other than it was reported at the time to be going a very dangerous mph in that tunnel.

Posted by: Lady in Black at March 19, 2025 01:01 PM (qBdHI)

301 *who subsequently

I give up ...

Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 19, 2025 01:02 PM (5Jo4L)

302 Some of the files indicate the close relationship between Israeli intel and the CIA. That is what they are picking up on.
Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 01:01 PM (ctrM5)

I thought that was a given ?

Posted by: It's me donna at March 19, 2025 01:02 PM (VE6XX)

303 272 Posted by: RM at March 19, 2025 12:58 PM (n/1Oj)

LHO fell through a lot of cracks, Foggy Bottom sat on his renunciation, CIA monitored him, and the FIB should have kept tabs on him. Height of the cold war the USG building an aura of invincibility....

add in an 88yd shot, the DPD not properly investigating the murder attempt on Walker and everyone went into PYOA mode.

Posted by: sven at March 19, 2025 01:02 PM (X0I7i)

304 A lot of people (me included) think it's more likely than not that Oswald did not fire a single shot that day, and was in fact in the first floor cafeteria of the building at the time of the shooting, exactly where multiple witnesses put him.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

So who did? (Not being combative, truly curious. I believe this was a mob + CIA job and wouldn't be surprised if Dulles was the puppetmaster, just curious if 'a lot of people' have a specific theory on who did pull the trigger/s...)

Posted by: bearski at March 19, 2025 01:02 PM (Bhsk7)

305 Traffic is...well, it's crap in the best of times. Now it's just a standstill. If I had a portable backpack coffee maker I'd make a fortune.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 19, 2025 12:59 PM (PzXaK)

I was looking at a YT Livestream from a local station. Yeah, it doesn't take much for DC to become one giant parking lot.

Posted by: mrp at March 19, 2025 01:02 PM (rj6Yv)

306 Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at March 19, 2025 12:48 PM (4XwPj)

What a nightmare.

I'm so sorry...

Posted by: Stateless...60% - mental state clawing up from 10% at March 19, 2025 01:02 PM (jvJvP)

307 Just curious, but why were the JFK files released through the DNI but the Epstein files through DoJ?

Does it have to do with the content?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 19, 2025 01:02 PM (Q4IgG)

308 I have to wonder though, when you're going nearly 100mph*, your inner self should be telling you to buckle up.

*I don't know how fast the car was going, other than it was reported at the time to be going a very dangerous mph in that tunnel.
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 19, 2025 01:01 PM (qBdHI)

If JFK and Di had switched limos they would both be alive today.

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 01:02 PM (D+vnQ)

309 Book suppository is what?
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2025 12:52 PM

Painful, I would imagine.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 19, 2025 12:57 PM (hOk1M
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Helps with binding.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 19, 2025 01:01 PM

Who needs an extra appendix?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 19, 2025 01:03 PM (hOk1M)

310 Democrat Twitter, 7 minutes later: It was the Jews.
Posted by: Wally
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Some of the files indicate the close relationship between Israeli intel and the CIA. That is what they are picking up on.
Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 01:01 PM (ctrM5)

Nah. I think it's more the left and Democrats in general hate Jews and blame Israel for everything bad since biblical times, if they actually believed The Bible.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 19, 2025 01:03 PM (tjClK)

311 Marina is still alive?

I read she was a KGB station chief’s daughter. If true, I’m sure that’s just a simple twist of fate

Posted by: Common Tater at March 19, 2025 01:03 PM (oDIDz)

312 PYOA = Pound Your Own Ass?

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at March 19, 2025 01:03 PM (/HDaX)

313 292 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 19, 2025 01:01 PM (L5An7)

Quite, LHO zeroed his weapon and shot it pretty religiously according to his wife.

People mystify the hell out of an easier shot than the dork took at Trump.

Posted by: sven at March 19, 2025 01:03 PM (X0I7i)

314 There is one person connected to this case who is still alive.

Lee Harvey Oswald's widow. She's 83 and continues to live in Texas.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at March 19, 2025 12:49 PM (43hl

Bugliosi interviewed her for his book, though I don't recall the details at the moment.

Marina has said for years she believes her husband was a patsy, but whether that is really her own opinion or whether that's what she has come to believe after all these years of talking to 'theorists,' I do not know.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at March 19, 2025 01:03 PM (Q0kLU)

315 307 Just curious, but why were the JFK files released through the DNI but the Epstein files through DoJ?

Does it have to do with the content?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 19, 2025 01:02 PM (Q4IgG)

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DOJ is releasing the files that SDNY has. So, whatever the SDNY gathered in its investigation.

You know, the district that ignored Epstein for decades and then did the minimal when Epstein became a firestorm.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 19, 2025 01:03 PM (GBKbO)

316 As I've said. The files can be interesting, but I simply do not believe that they are true, complete, and accurate.

Too many people have had too many years to alter, remove, insert, or just plain destroy documents to the files.

Just like the Epstein list. At some point they will probably release A LIST, but there is no way it will be 100% complete and accurate.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at March 19, 2025 01:04 PM (setIA)

317 I think at best we can say it's not impossible for one bullet to cause the damage it did, although highly highly improbable.

Its been demonstrated by multiple tests that there was no Oliver Stone-style magical path or impossible behavior on the part of the bullet.

And I am truly baffled that people keep insisting that Oswald CANNOT have been the shooter. Why not him? Someone fired those shots, why can it not have been the guy with the rifle?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 01:04 PM (2VST1)

318 That has been my general belief. Vince Bugliosi pointed out more than once that there are always holes in any murder case.
Posted by: RM at March 19, 2025 12:58 PM (n/1Oj)

You don't say!

Posted by: Johnnie Cochrane at March 19, 2025 01:04 PM (aBgBM)

319 If JFK and Di had switched limos they would both be alive today.
Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 01:02 PM (D+vnQ)

You're saying Oswald would've shot Dodi Fayed instead of Diana?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 19, 2025 01:04 PM (tjClK)

320 Eric Daugherty
@EricLDaugh

🚨 JUST IN: Florida Governor Ron DeSantis calls on Congress to strip the jurisdiction of federal courts to decide the cases dictating Trump's executive policies.

We NEED THIS.

"The sabotaging of President Trump’s agenda by “resistance” judges was predictable — why no jurisdiction-stripping bills tee’d up at the onset of this Congress?"

"Congress has the authority to strip jurisdiction of the federal courts to decide these cases in the first place."

Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 19, 2025 01:04 PM (5Jo4L)

321 As of this morning, a couple of online sources claim that just 63,000 of the JFK files were released yesterday, which means that (per Trump's statement yesterday) about 17,000 files are still being withheld.
Posted by: Just reporting
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It was 80k PAGEs, not documents. Many of the pdfs there have multiple pages. Not going to bother to add them up. I got up to about 260-270 skimmed last night after release out of about 1100+DOCUMENTs dropped.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 01:04 PM (ctrM5)

322 304 Posted by: bearski at March 19, 2025 01:02 PM (Bhsk7)

It was the 45-man team of Cuban CIA Ninja henchmen...

all of whom kept 100% silence.

Posted by: sven at March 19, 2025 01:05 PM (X0I7i)

323 She was impaired or simply just not bright enough to not buckle her seatbelt in the safest car in the world.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie

============

I'm guessing just a little lazy and above-it-all. Dodi reportedly didn't like buckling up either. Most people don't, I imagine. I wouldn't buckle if I wasn't convinced of its importance.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

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Yep. That was pretty much what I was attempting to say without being mean.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - What different discussions are 53 and 21 year old women having? at March 19, 2025 01:05 PM (qSMcm)

324 I thought the magic bullet had been explained because Connelly was riding in a lower seat than JFK. The way that limo was rigged the front seat was lower for some reason. So the bullet went from the building downwards, through JFK and then into Connelly and didn't need to "pause mid air, mind you."

Anyway, barring some huge revelation, my feeling is the reason why many of the files were kept secret for so long was because Oswald was some kind of CIA asset, and it was embarrassing to the organization and many people that their asset ending up shooting the President (even when they had nothing to do with it).

You wouldn't want people looking into all the things a Presidential assassin had been doing for you and all the people he had met with.

Posted by: Lex at March 19, 2025 01:05 PM (l5xX+)

325 233 To close the circle here, Roddenberry pitched the idea for TMP to have the crew go back in time to stop the Kennedy assassination and ended up with Spock killing him.

red dwarf did that one better. they had jfk go back in time to shoot himself.

Posted by: anachronda at March 19, 2025 01:05 PM (oY6Yp)

326 You're saying Oswald would've shot Dodi Fayed instead of Diana?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 19, 2025 01:04 PM (tjClK)

I was thinking more of their respective speeds.

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 01:05 PM (D+vnQ)

327 324 I thought the magic bullet had been explained because Connelly was riding in a lower seat than JFK. The way that limo was rigged the front seat was lower for some reason.

iirc, it was a jump seat added to the limo for the occasion.

Posted by: anachronda at March 19, 2025 01:06 PM (oY6Yp)

328
I was thinking more of their respective speeds.
Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 01:05 PM (D+vnQ)

It would've been entertaining to watch the JFK limo blow through downtown Dallas at 100MPH with people lining the streets expecting a parade.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 19, 2025 01:07 PM (tjClK)

329 A secret service agent confessed to placing the bullet on that stretcher at Parkland. Have to stay current on those kinds of things. He found it in the limo and put it in his pocket. He forgot about it and didn’t want to lose his job.
Posted by: Common Tater at March 19, 2025 01:00 PM (oDIDz)

I've read the book. The Secret Service was clearly covering their own asses with their stories, some of which directly contradict the sworn testimony in front of the Warren Commission.

For example, something like 8 agents told the Warren Commission Kennedy never told agents to not ride on the back of the limo.

In the book The Kennedy Detail, they allege the agents lied to the Warren Commission to "protect Kennedy", and that he had ordered them off the running boards.

Same with the bullet. The agent swore under oath he found it at the hospital, but in the book claimed he lied about that.

So do we believe sworn testimony under oath or a book released 30 years later?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 01:07 PM (uCjyK)

330 Either they were incompetent or they were acting as shepherds for a live op.
Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 12:59 PM

Invoke the magic of and?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 19, 2025 01:07 PM (a3Q+t)

331 Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 12:58 PM (uCjyK)

That is exactly the behavior you expect from a long (and heavy) for caliber. full metal jacket, round nose bullet a slow to modest velocity. That's why the 6.5s and 7 mm were favored by ivory poachers in the early 20th century.
And the bullet in question was deformed at its base, not "pristine".

The obvious question is why did the bullet that struck Kennedy's head fragment to the point that there were only minor pieces spread throughout the xray, and no discernable projectile.

The answer: His head was not struck by a 6.5 Carcano bullet.

Posted by: Alamo at March 19, 2025 01:07 PM (Gn4ZR)

332 Oswald had a Soviet wife. What happened to her ?

Posted by: runner at March 19, 2025 01:08 PM (g47mK)

333 Nah. I think it's more the left and Democrats in general hate Jews and blame Israel for everything bad since biblical times, if they actually believed The Bible.
Posted by: Sponge

On the left, a strain of teh JFK theories rests on Mossad doing JFK in because JFK opposed Israel going nuclear. 1963, I think was when Dimona (reactor sold by the French) ramped up and the JFK administration opposed it being used to develop nukes. At the time, Israel had closer relationships with France and the UK than the US, partly because of the 1956 Suez crisis backlash.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 01:08 PM (ctrM5)

334 Any halfway decent shooter could make those shots easily.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 19, 2025 01:01 PM (L5An7)
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Yeah, even a crap rifle like the Carcano should get the job done.

And make no mistake about it, the Carcano was not a good rifle. Only the Italians would use such a weapon as their main battle rifle.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 19, 2025 01:08 PM (tT6L1)

335 332 Oswald had a Soviet wife. What happened to her ?
Posted by: runner
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Still alive, see upthread.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 01:08 PM (ctrM5)

336 I'm more interested in what is on page 47 in The Book of Presidents...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 19, 2025 01:08 PM (VE6XX)

337 I guess it’s cool it’s out there. But this is a boomer thing. JFK and Camelot and all that crap is something people of that era are still fascinated by. Trump included .Anyone born 1960 or later probably couldn’t care less.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 19, 2025 01:08 PM (1MVEj)

338 The magic loogie:

https://youtu.be/tBz3PqA2Fmc

Posted by: Obligatory Seinfeld reference at March 19, 2025 01:08 PM (dg+HA)

339 USSR also noted that Oswald was a poor marksman, according to one report on The Report.
——

Uh-huh. Sure Jan. Anyone who graduated Marine Corps Boot Camp in 1957 knew how to shoot just fine.

Trust Me.

Posted by: Common Tater at March 19, 2025 01:08 PM (r3wfs)

340 I'd just like to mention, since the subject has already been broached, Dhalgren makes an excellent suppository as well as a door stop.

Posted by: Samuel R. Delany at March 19, 2025 01:09 PM (7Q0e+)

341 Fix it again Tony.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2025 01:09 PM (z0e6h)

342 So.

Is Ted Cruz's Father on the Run?

Posted by: garrett at March 19, 2025 01:09 PM (yHAEf)

343 JUST IN: Florida Governor Ron DeSantis calls on Congress to strip the jurisdiction of federal courts to decide the cases dictating Trump's executive policies.

==

sounds good to me!

Posted by: runner at March 19, 2025 01:09 PM (g47mK)

344
I have to wonder though, when you're going nearly 100mph*, your inner self should be telling you to buckle up.

*I don't know how fast the car was going, other than it was reported at the time to be going a very dangerous mph in that tunnel.
Posted by: Lady in Black

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Your inner self should! Who knows how many fast chases she'd been through and survived, though?

Who knows how smart she was, she didn't like school and didn't have the brains to appreciate her proximity to one of the last senior leaders of World War II -- but she might have had a good yet underdeveloped engine up there. She seems to have had borderline personality disorder. Maybe a case study on a certain type of parenting.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at March 19, 2025 01:09 PM (lCaJd)

345 So do we believe sworn testimony under oath or a book released 30 years later?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 01:07 PM (uCjyK)

Isn't it the typical pattern that criminals lie on the stand and brag/confess in the tell all book?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at March 19, 2025 01:09 PM (okun6)

346 So...the Germans bombed Dallas?

Posted by: Diogenes at March 19, 2025 01:09 PM (W/lyH)

347 Any halfway decent shooter could make those shots easily.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 19, 2025 01:01 PM (L5An7)

and two would made it certain

Posted by: Kindltot at March 19, 2025 01:09 PM (D7oie)

348 I am pretty happy with Trump's shutdown of our propaganda agencies from the previous thread. This are cold war relics that have outlived their usefulness.

Posted by: Grump928(C) sans apostrophe at March 19, 2025 01:10 PM (7F2YU)

349 Nothing burger. Do we really think documents weren't omitted? If so, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that's for sale.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 19, 2025 01:10 PM (/U5Yz)

350 334 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 19, 2025 01:08 PM (tT6L1)

Eh, "sorta" the rifle is a combination of the physical mechanism to deliver the round downrange. It was an adequate rifle, but the 6.5 carcano was actually a wonderful round ballistically almost as good as the 6.5 swede which is one of the best medium power rifle rounds ever made for accuracy and hydrostatic lethality.

Posted by: sven at March 19, 2025 01:10 PM (X0I7i)

351 >>Any halfway decent shooter could make those shots easily.

Only if that person was upstairs and in the window.

Which Oswald wasn't.

Posted by: garrett at March 19, 2025 01:10 PM (yHAEf)

352 We'll never know it all. But, I can't help but fall back on my firm belief that when (if) we get to Heaven, there is a FAQ posted on the wall of the waiting room where St. Peter processes us all.

The full details surrounding this will be on that poster.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 19, 2025 01:10 PM (cYBz/)

353
"President Trump is ushering in a new era of maximum transparency," Gabbard wrote in a post on X.

==============

I like it, but start applying it to a few other things we're curious about.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at March 19, 2025 01:10 PM (lCaJd)

354 To close the circle here, Roddenberry pitched the idea for TMP to have the crew go back in time to stop the Kennedy assassination and ended up with Spock killing him.

red dwarf did that one better. they had jfk go back in time to shoot himself.
Posted by: anachronda at March 19, 2025

***
I've heard that Harlan Ellison came in and pitched a colossal, world- and time-spanning story where the Enterprise must go back in time to prevent an event which allowed the dinosaurs to evolve intelligence and civilization, and become the Earth's dominant life form; that humans never came to be.

The studio exec looked at him and said, "I like it, but -- Can you make it *bigger*?"

Ellison got up and walked out. Whether he told the executive just what he thought of him, I don't recall.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 19, 2025 01:10 PM (J2vNu)

355 So who did? (Not being combative, truly curious. I believe this was a mob + CIA job and wouldn't be surprised if Dulles was the puppetmaster, just curious if 'a lot of people' have a specific theory on who did pull the trigger/s...)

Posted by: bearski at March 19, 2025 01:02 PM (Bhsk7)

RFK Jr. has named who he thinks the trigger pullers are. Multiple people have come forward and claimed to have been there that day, including some who claimed to have fired at Kennedy.

It's hard to say. There were a large number of unsavory types in Dealey Plaza that day. As someone said, the CIA purposely "flooded the zone" with all kinds of potential suspects.

I think the most likely answer is either a mafia trigger puller or a Cuban refugee trigger puller. Both / either would have been at the direction of the CIA (or at least they thought it was from the CIA).

Oswald was likely set up as the patsy and would not have known anything about the operation for Op Sec reasons, in case he got captured alive (which he did).

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 01:11 PM (uCjyK)

356 It would've been entertaining to watch the JFK limo blow through downtown Dallas at 100MPH with people lining the streets expecting a parade.

Posted by: Sponge

And to make that turn to go through the underpass. Everyone inside would have ended up flying end over end into the grassy knoll.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 19, 2025 01:11 PM (lTGtQ)

357 Elton John wanted to play Your Song at the funeral, because it was her favorite of his songs.

He was asked by either Tony Blair, or someone in the family, not sure, to rewrite the lyrics of Candle in the Wind. I'm not sure if he even wrote it, or if Bernie Taupin did.

And Diana wasn't even speaking to Elton when she died, iirc. Or maybe they had just reconciled.

Diana was good with the public, legitimately so. But in close relationships, she was a hot damned mess. Definitely had mental issues. Her grandmother should have known better. But I think Diana fancied the position and convinced herself she was in love with Charles. She certainly lied about loving country life, and having hours long, deep philosophical discussions, to make herself appealing to him.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at March 19, 2025 01:11 PM (Vvh2V)

358 JUST IN: Florida Governor Ron DeSantis calls on Congress to strip the jurisdiction of federal courts to decide the cases dictating Trump's executive policies.

==

sounds good to me!
Posted by: runner at March 19, 2025 01:09 PM (g47mK)
***

Yup.
They are nothing more than Democrat activists and need to be put in their place.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 19, 2025 01:11 PM (W/lyH)

359 Its absurd that it took 60 years to get this released.

Government has gotten way to protective of "its secrets" for it to function on behalf of the people it is supposed to work for.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 19, 2025 01:11 PM (t0Rmr)

360 And make no mistake about it, the Carcano was not a good rifle. Only the Italians would use such a weapon as their main battle rifle.
Posted by: blake

Have one, albeit not the carbine. Decent rifle actually for a mediocre cartridge. The rifles, as opposed to carbines, had something unique. They used gain twisting in the barrel (the barrel twist is gentle from teh chamber and tightens as it approaches the bore). Helps accuracy. It is based on the old Mannlicher split bridge design also seen in the GEW 88 rifle and working the bolt is quick enough, lousy on the bolt safety, and so so open sights. But, it was good enough that the Italian military shooting teams used it post war in shooting competitions.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 01:11 PM (ctrM5)

361 How many political assassinations have you heard of where the shooter says "I'm a patsy!" instead of releasing a manifesto?

Then gets shot by a CIA and mafia connected strip club owner while in police custody a few days later?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 01:12 PM (uCjyK)

362 Ellison was a crackpot, almost but not quite as insane as Philip Dick. The studio exec was probably "jerking his chain", as the hip lingo went in the 1960s.

Posted by: gKWVE at March 19, 2025 01:12 PM (gKWVE)

363 I guess it’s cool it’s out there. But this is a boomer thing. JFK and Camelot and all that crap is something people of that era are still fascinated by. Trump included .Anyone born 1960 or later probably couldn’t care less.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 19, 2025 01:08 PM (1MVEj)

And yet Cuba is still under Communist control.

Posted by: mrp at March 19, 2025 01:12 PM (rj6Yv)

364 Did you guys know that "The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 mandated that “all Government records related to the assassination” be provided to the National Archives and made available to the public" ??

Posted by: runner at March 19, 2025 01:12 PM (g47mK)

365 313 292 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 19, 2025 01:01 PM (L5An7)

Quite, LHO zeroed his weapon and shot it pretty religiously according to his wife.

People mystify the hell out of an easier shot than the dork took at Trump.

Posted by: sven at March 19, 2025 01:03 PM (X0I7i)

And - Oswald had a 4x scope on that rifle, plus very likely braced the rifle on the box found in the window, the widow sill, or took a good seated shooting position.

Posted by: Gref at March 19, 2025 01:12 PM (aBgBM)

366 I wonder what became of Oswald's daughter. I hope she was able to live a relatively normal life in spite of her father's notoriety.

Posted by: Bulg at March 19, 2025 01:12 PM (77rzZ)

367 After reading through this, I have come to the conclusion that Kennedy did indeed shoot first.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 19, 2025 01:13 PM (KbCG3)

368 and two would made it certain

And five would make it even more certain! What about twenty!

Ellison got up and walked out. Whether he told the executive just what he thought of him, I don't recall.

Knowing Harlan Ellison, very likely he did. In great detail. Involving hand puppets

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 01:13 PM (2VST1)

369 Pam Bondi says that firearm suppressors are not [rotected under the 2A and can be regulated. Good choice for AG. (spit)

https://tinyurl.com/ku7hcett

Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 19, 2025 01:13 PM (/U5Yz)

370 RFK Jr. has named who he thinks the trigger pullers are. Multiple people have come forward and claimed to have been there that day, including some who claimed to have fired at Kennedy.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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I think RFK was referring to his own father's shooter who he named and that he had a female handler present who he also named. She was deceased at the time, the other guy was not and living in the PI. He is now deceased as well.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 01:13 PM (ctrM5)

371 I would agree the first two seasons of TNG were pretty bad. I avoid watching those episodes.

But after season three started they finally got it together and put out some decent Star Trek. The last two seasons are really well written and enjoyable.

DS9 was excellent all the way, through.

Voyager just got into silliness in the holodeck, that Irish village and Janeway's love affair with a holo-character -arrghh, followed by the holodeck WWII episodes, and then trying to make the Doc the main character towards the end.

I can forgive the discontinuity of the ship going through hell and coming out brand new, but the writing varied from soap-opera level stuff to outright absurd comedy, intended or not.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at March 19, 2025 01:13 PM (6ydKt)

372 How many political assassinations have you heard of where the shooter says "I'm a patsy!" instead of releasing a manifesto?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 01:12 PM (uCjyK)
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LOL

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 01:13 PM (D+vnQ)

373 Only if that person was upstairs and in the window.

Which Oswald wasn't.

Posted by: garrett at March 19, 2025 01:10 PM (yHAEf)

Wow. Sparkly-croc obsessed AND a JFK nutter!

I'm impressed.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 19, 2025 01:14 PM (L5An7)

374 Tim Booth is always right
youtu.be/1RxD8unAxhU

Posted by: gKWVE at March 19, 2025 01:14 PM (gKWVE)

375 Ellison was a crackpot, almost but not quite as insane as Philip Dick. The studio exec was probably "jerking his chain", as the hip lingo went in the 1960s.
Posted by: gKWVE at March 19, 2025

***
Maybe. But I prefer watching his scripts for Outer Limits and even Burke's Law to most of Roddenberry's -- so he had *something* on the ball.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 19, 2025 01:14 PM (J2vNu)

376 365 Posted by: Gref at March 19, 2025 01:12 PM (aBgBM)

People are very immune to the notion that one armed person can humble nations.

William Tell comes to mind.

Posted by: sven at March 19, 2025 01:14 PM (X0I7i)

377 Pam Bondi says that firearm suppressors are not [rotected under the 2A and can be regulated. Good choice for AG. (spit)
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Or SC

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 01:14 PM (D+vnQ)

378 367 After reading through this, I have come to the conclusion that Kennedy did indeed shoot first.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 19, 2025 01:13 PM (KbCG3)

Vindicated!

Posted by: Greedo at March 19, 2025 01:15 PM (PiwSw)

379 Only if that person was upstairs and in the window.

Which Oswald wasn't.
Posted by: garrett at March 19, 2025 01:10 PM (yHAEf)

A secretary in the building puts Oswald in the first floor cafeteria immediately prior to the shooting. The first responding cop and the building superintendent put Oswald in that same cafeteria, sipping a coke, immediately after the shooting.

The elevators were out of order at the time, so to get to the sixth floor would require running up the same stairs that multiple employees were running down after the shooting. No one puts Oswald in the stairs, or in the sixth floor at the time or immediately after the shooting. And no one can put Oswald with that rifle at any time, except for an absurdly incriminating picture that Oswald claimed was doctored and fake.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 01:15 PM (uCjyK)

380
Yep. That was pretty much what I was attempting to say without being mean.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie

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Hah, I'm not even trying to be mean. If you're going to be even halfway realistic about Diana, certain adjectives are going to occur.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at March 19, 2025 01:15 PM (lCaJd)

381 The only other assassin I know of that claimed he didn't do it politically off-hand was MLK's shooter. I recall the King family believes him...

Posted by: American Hawkman at March 19, 2025 01:15 PM (9VDxG)

382 Sadly, Seven of Nine-a and Seven of Nine-b just couldn't carry Voyager.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 19, 2025 01:16 PM (a3Q+t)

383 People are very immune to the notion that one armed person can humble nations.

William Tell comes to mind.
Posted by: sven

Who never existed.

Posted by: Bulg at March 19, 2025 01:16 PM (77rzZ)

384 I've heard speculation that the second shooter was a female KGB agent with a machine gun mounted inside her torpedo bra, firing from street level. But on further reflection have come to realize that was a Get Smart episode.

Posted by: muldoon at March 19, 2025 01:16 PM (/iMjX)

385 I guess it’s cool it’s out there. But this is a boomer thing. JFK and Camelot and all that crap is something people of that era are still fascinated by. Trump included .Anyone born 1960 or later probably couldn’t care less.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 19, 2025 01:08 PM (1MVEj)

Each generation has its foundational myths, JKF assassination is one of them for the late stage boomers, (Some are calling it the Jones gen for some reason)

I wonder, what is the foundational myth for Gen X? Watergate? Inflation? Berlin Wall? Satanic abuse?

Posted by: Kindltot at March 19, 2025 01:16 PM (D7oie)

386 Despite my Canadianness the JFK assassination is one of those things that is firmly fixed in my memory. Only my wife's death is more firmly fixed.

Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at March 19, 2025 01:16 PM (SXxzC)

387 >>Wow. Sparkly-croc obsessed AND a JFK nutter!

Shouldn't you be getting AIDS Prep Meds for your trip to France?

Posted by: garrett at March 19, 2025 01:16 PM (yHAEf)

388 363 I guess it’s cool it’s out there. But this is a boomer thing. JFK and Camelot and all that crap is something people of that era are still fascinated by. Trump included .Anyone born 1960 or later probably couldn’t care less.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 19, 2025 01:08 PM (1MVEj)

And yet Cuba is still under Communist control.
Posted by: mrp at March 19, 2025 01:12 PM (rj6Yv)

And nobody really cares about that either. Other than Cubans in Florida. And even there the majority of Cubans are 2nd and 3rd generation Americans.

The whole Cold War, JFK, Cuba embargo thing…it’s ancient history for most Americans. I mean sure it’s history and shouldn’t be forgotten. But it’s history book stuff now not, oh my god I can’t wait to find out what happened stuff.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 19, 2025 01:16 PM (1MVEj)

389 LBJ took out JFK, HRC took out JFK Jr.

There. Y'all can quit looking now.

Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 19, 2025 01:16 PM (nCY1P)

390 There's some kind of Whitehouse press briefing cueing up.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2025 01:16 PM (z0e6h)

391 Eh, "sorta" the rifle is a combination of the physical mechanism to deliver the round downrange. It was an adequate rifle, but the 6.5 carcano was actually a wonderful round ballistically almost as good as the 6.5 swede which is one of the best medium power rifle rounds ever made for accuracy and hydrostatic lethality.
Posted by: sven
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I would not say it was better than the 6.5 Swede. Part of it was the bullet design for issue ammo. There is a reason Mussolini tried to upgrade it to a new round but had to back off when war started before he thought it would.

Don't have a Carcano in 7.35 but that design used an issued spitzer bullet that the older 6.5 Carcano did not use.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 01:16 PM (ctrM5)

392 I think RFK was referring to his own father's shooter who he named and that he had a female handler present who he also named. She was deceased at the time, the other guy was not and living in the PI. He is now deceased as well.
Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 01:13 PM (ctrM5)

He's done both. He was on some internet show with a black podcaster talking about the JFK assassination when he was still running for president. If I find the link, I'll share it with you.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 01:16 PM (uCjyK)

393 327...yes. I saw a decent documentary on it years ago, and it explained that the bullet did not behave mysteriously but quite logically when you factored in the "jump" seat which was lower and the way bullets can change course when hitting bone, muscle, etc. No second shooter needed.

Posted by: Lex at March 19, 2025 01:17 PM (l5xX+)

394 Wow. Sparkly-croc obsessed AND a JFK nutter!

I'm impressed.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 19, 2025 01:14 PM

Ginger for the trifecta?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 19, 2025 01:17 PM (a3Q+t)

395
Knowing Harlan Ellison, very likely he did. In great detail. Involving hand puppets
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025

***
I went to see one of his speaking engagements in Denver in '98 or so. I'd brought paperback copies of his memoir-as-novel, Memos From Purgatory, and a short story collection, Love Ain't Nothing but Sex Misspelled, for him to autograph. He gave me a sharp look as if to say, "Too cheap to buy any of the *new* stuff?" But he signed.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 19, 2025 01:17 PM (J2vNu)

396 376 People are very immune to the notion that one armed person can humble nations.

i'm right here, you know

Posted by: michelle fields at March 19, 2025 01:17 PM (oY6Yp)

397 383 Posted by: Bulg at March 19, 2025 01:16 PM (77rzZ)

Neither did King Arthur or Robin Hood literally all were based on composite people kind of like Obama's heterosexual conquests.

Posted by: sven at March 19, 2025 01:17 PM (X0I7i)

398
Hah, I'm not even trying to be mean. If you're going to be even halfway realistic about Diana, certain adjectives are going to occur.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at March 19, 2025 01:15 PM (lCaJd)
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"Brainless twit" is one of the things I've heard said about Diana.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 19, 2025 01:17 PM (tT6L1)

399 Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 19, 2025 01:16 PM (nCY1P)

My condolences on your impending suicide

Posted by: Hillary! at March 19, 2025 01:17 PM (gKWVE)

400 I wonder, what is the foundational myth for Gen X? Watergate? Inflation? Berlin Wall? Satanic abuse?
Posted by: Kindltot

9/11

Posted by: Perhaps at March 19, 2025 01:17 PM (fV7JW)

401 Next Generation had a severe problem with characters.

The doctor was virtually incompetent.
The security officer only existed to make sensible suggestions and get overruled by the captain.
The Captain was a man of no action who insisted on talking his way out of everything.
The second in command did nothing but stand with one foot on a chair and have no personality.
The empath could only sense what was obvious to everyone else around her.
The android was confusing as hell to me: why would anyone give a toaster an officer rank, especially one that was largely unknown and not understood??
The holodeck would have been ripped out and throw out an airlock the first time it tried to kill everyone and take over the Enterprise.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 01:17 PM (2VST1)

402 As for Harlan Ellison, I will not speak ill of him for fear of what he might do. He's dead, but that only means I won't see him coming.

Posted by: American Hawkman at March 19, 2025 01:17 PM (9VDxG)

403
Yeah, even a crap rifle like the Carcano should get the job done.

And make no mistake about it, the Carcano was not a good rifle. Only the Italians would use such a weapon as their main battle rifle.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 19, 2025 01:08 PM (tT6L1)

A lot of the Carcano's bad rep is because the 6.5 bullet required isn't readily available for reloading in the US, so a slightly different diameter bullet was usually substituted, which made it horribly inaccurate.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 19, 2025 01:17 PM (y9nCu)

404 Oswald and Epstein.

Who are two of the most important figures to the state of American politics who received absolutely zero security treating them as such.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 19, 2025 01:18 PM (KbCG3)

405 LBJ took out JFK, HRC took out JFK Jr.

There. Y'all can quit looking now.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 19, 2025 01:16 PM (nCY1P)
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Not even close to outlandish.

Come on, go for the tinfoil gold!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 19, 2025 01:18 PM (tT6L1)

406 "Brainless twit" is one of the things I've heard said about Diana

Elton John is only good for songs about dead blondes.

Posted by: Keith Richards, who banged your grandma at March 19, 2025 01:19 PM (gKWVE)

407 >>A secretary in the building puts Oswald in the first floor cafeteria immediately prior to the shooting. The first responding cop and the building superintendent put Oswald in that same cafeteria, sipping a coke, immediately after the shooting.

I am inclined to give more credence to the witness statements given to Dallas PD than most of the other info published from that day / in reports.

Posted by: garrett at March 19, 2025 01:19 PM (yHAEf)

408 Almost all of the TNG character problems were fixed by the end of things, and are a DIRECT result of Gene's ideas and a showrunner with a personal grudge against Gates McFadden for turning him down.

Posted by: American Hawkman at March 19, 2025 01:19 PM (9VDxG)

409 Harry,
You have read a lot more on the JFK assassination than I have.

People like that probably can decipher more from the parade of names in the docs than I can.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 01:19 PM (ctrM5)

410 whig -- I think this is the link to RFK Jr. talking about his uncles assassination https://tinyurl.com/5b5eyzvc

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 01:19 PM (uCjyK)

411 Next Generation had a severe problem with characters.

The doctor was virtually incompetent.
The security officer only existed to make sensible suggestions and get overruled by the captain.
The Captain was a man of no action who insisted on talking his way out of everything.
The second in command did nothing but stand with one foot on a chair and have no personality.
The empath could only sense what was obvious to everyone else around her.
The android was confusing as hell to me: why would anyone give a toaster an officer rank, especially one that was largely unknown and not understood??
The holodeck would have been ripped out and throw out an airlock the first time it tried to kill everyone and take over the Enterprise.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 01:17 PM

Even I couldn't save it.

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at March 19, 2025 01:19 PM (a3Q+t)

412 A secretary in the building puts Oswald in the first floor cafeteria immediately prior to the shooting. The first responding cop and the building superintendent put Oswald in that same cafeteria, sipping a coke, immediately after the shooting.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 01:15 PM (uCjyK)

Immediately prior to and after an event can mean different periods of time to different people.

Posted by: Gref at March 19, 2025 01:19 PM (aBgBM)

413 Then gets shot by a CIA and mafia connected strip club owner while in police custody a few days later?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 01:12 PM (uCjyK)

Sirhan-Sirhan, oddly enough. But he didn't get dead.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 19, 2025 01:19 PM (D7oie)

414 Everything I know about the assassination I learned from Seinfeld. As I learned everything I've ever known.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at March 19, 2025 01:19 PM (wBaIH)

415 This pathetic release did not avenge me.

Posted by: Ghost of Dorothy Kilgallen at March 19, 2025 01:20 PM (/U5Yz)

416 I wonder, what is the foundational myth for Gen X?

Satanic Panic? I dunno. Gen X is so cynical and dismissive of everything its hard to pin one down that is a shared mythology.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 01:20 PM (2VST1)

417
Elton John is only good for songs about dead blondes.
Posted by: Keith Richards, who banged your grandma at March 19, 2025

***
And a '50s-flavored song about a dance nobody in 1972 had ever heard of.

(Still, I love "Crocodile Rock")

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 19, 2025 01:20 PM (J2vNu)

418 Harry,
You have read a lot more on the JFK assassination than I have.

People like that probably can decipher more from the parade of names in the docs than I can.
Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 01:19 PM (ctrM5)

I have read probably 6 or 7 books on the subject, 3 within the last year, so it's just top of mind for me.

But I am by no means an expert, and I forget what half of the operation names / code names mean. They're mostly google'able though.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 01:20 PM (uCjyK)

419 GenX is too young to care about watergate.

Post 9/11 bullshit would me my guess. Iraq war, WMD lies, etc,

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 19, 2025 01:20 PM (1MVEj)

420 I dove into some of the content last night. A lot of it's interesting from an historical perspective. There are interview reports in there between an unidentified interviewer (presumably FBI) and people they suspect of being Soviet spies. They reeled them in by advertising needing a Russian language speaker. Then they'd bring them in for an interview, and do a serious deep dive on their history. Apparently, back then, Soviet spies has a reputation to use Mexico City as a communication hub, and every time they knew an applicant had been down there, they knew they had one on the hook. Interesting read.

Posted by: Orson at March 19, 2025 01:20 PM (dIske)

421 I wonder, what is the foundational myth for Gen X? Watergate? Inflation? Berlin Wall? Satanic abuse?
Posted by: Kindltot at March 19, 2025 01:16 PM (D7oie)

That "what consenting adults do between themselves" doesn't matter.

Posted by: ... at March 19, 2025 01:20 PM (D+vnQ)

422 I wonder how soon the page is found out of the 80,000 r that confirms it was Dallas's right wing atmosphere of hate that killed JFK.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 19, 2025 01:20 PM (wFdv2)

423 391 Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 01:16 PM (ctrM5)

The 6.5 Swede was the best in the world for its class, eclipsed possibly only by the 7.5 Swiss. The 6.5 carcano was decent enough they did well with it at military precision shoots. The 7.35 is the Italian attempt to go to the 7mm Mauser standard to deliver ~ 20% increase in anti-material performance.

The thing is you are sacrificing some of the soft target lethality in several studies to get there.

If I were using it as an anti-personnel platform and allowed to use non FMJ I would go with a .27 fullpower over a 30.

Posted by: sven at March 19, 2025 01:21 PM (X0I7i)

424 So Cancer Man was NOT the shooter? The X-Files lied to me.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at March 19, 2025 01:21 PM (pJbQu)

425 "Never tried it, so I dunno. But this book is from before SK became cracked, about 2010-2012, when he still told good stories."

Agreed, I thought "11/22/63" was a really good read. But Stephen King, as he admits in his 2011 afterward to his book. that even though some criticized him for being really hard on Dallas, he felt if anything he was "too easy on it", that he thought at the time of the 11/63 murder, "Dallas was a hateful place", and that he holds "strong opinions on the subject, particularly given the current political climate of my country."

I think he was already a committed leftist by that 2011 time frame.

Posted by: RM at March 19, 2025 01:21 PM (n/1Oj)

426 383 People are very immune to the notion that one armed person can humble nations.

William Tell comes to mind.
Posted by: sven

Who never existed.

Posted by: Bulg at March 19, 2025 01:16 PM (77rzZ)

We existed.

Posted by: John Wilkes Booth, Gavrilo Princip at March 19, 2025 01:21 PM (aBgBM)

427 Nood.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 19, 2025 01:21 PM (a3Q+t)

428 A lot of the Carcano's bad rep is because the 6.5 bullet required isn't readily available for reloading in the US, so a slightly different diameter bullet was usually substituted, which made it horribly inaccurate.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur
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True, it uses a .268-9 spec versus the regularized 6.5 width of .264. The other reason is that Italy cut down the barrels of long rifles to make one of the carbine models widely issued. The long rifles used gain twist barrels where the twist of the rifle goes from slow to faster at the bore. Cut off the barrel and you do not have the right barrel twist to stabilize the bullet--thus inaccurate. Cost cutting measure from an economically broke Italian govt.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 01:22 PM (ctrM5)

429 Don't have a Carcano in 7.35 but that design used an issued spitzer bullet that the older 6.5 Carcano did not use.
Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 01:16 PM (ctrM5)
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I seem to recall one of the things which held back the Carcano, among many, was: Cost. I want to say my rather hazy memory says the round the military used was downloaded in order to preserve the gain twist rifling, in order to further the life of the rifle.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 19, 2025 01:22 PM (tT6L1)

430 Almost all of the TNG character problems were fixed by the end of things, and are a DIRECT result of Gene's ideas and a showrunner with a personal grudge against Gates McFadden for turning him down.
Posted by: American Hawkman at March 19, 2025

***
They had at least as many good-to-great episodes overall as TOS did. And imaginative stories like the one about the Dyson Sphere.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 19, 2025 01:22 PM (J2vNu)

431 FBI announces third 10 Most Wanted arrest. No mention of how many Hail Marys she had prayed outside the abortion clinic.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 19, 2025 01:22 PM (2CdPi)

432 A lot of the Carcano's bad rep is because the 6.5 bullet required isn't readily available for reloading in the US, so a slightly different diameter bullet was usually substituted, which made it horribly inaccurate.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 19, 2025 01:17 PM (y9nCu)

There was some question whether the bullet recovered was the same diameter as a standard Carcano bullet as well. If anyone can find this in the mess of docs, please let me know.
There shouldbe a forensic report in there, somewhere.

if the bullet is the wrong size, as I have been told with nothing but second had statements, then it may be the correct diameter for a rifle like the Jungman, which is what I was told

Posted by: Kindltot at March 19, 2025 01:22 PM (D7oie)

433 And a '50s-flavored song about a dance nobody in 1972 had ever heard of.

(Still, I love "Crocodile Rock")
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

Never knew me a better time and I guess I never will.

Posted by: Crocs and Black Socks at March 19, 2025 01:23 PM (G5+As)

434 I wonder what became of Oswald's daughter. I hope she was able to live a relatively normal life in spite of her father's notoriety.

Posted by: Bulg at March 19, 2025 01:12 PM (77rzZ)

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She emigrated to Russia and later claimed to be the daughter of Anastasia Romanov?

/There's a Disney movie in there somewhere ...

Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 19, 2025 01:23 PM (5Jo4L)

435 But I am by no means an expert, and I forget what half of the operation names / code names mean. They're mostly google'able though.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

I ignored the code words as they meant nothing to me.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 01:23 PM (ctrM5)

436 Immediately prior to and after an event can mean different periods of time to different people.
Posted by: Gref at March 19, 2025 01:19 PM (aBgBM)

They've locked down a pretty tight timeline.

Incidentally, you can read the statements the witnesses made for yourself. It's largely available thanks to the House Select Committee on Assassinations.

There was less than a 5 minute gap from the secretary seeing Oswald to the cop demanding he identify himself.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 19, 2025 01:23 PM (uCjyK)

437 Harlan Ellison was a great writer and idea guy, just cantankerous and belligerent. He used to do events where he'd got to a book store and write a short story, on the spot, with a typewriter. Each new page was taped to the front window. He wasn't insane like Phillip K Dick, who had amazingly great ideas but not always great at resolving or writing about them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 01:23 PM (2VST1)

438 Agreed, I thought "11/22/63" was a really good read. But Stephen King, as he admits in his 2011 afterward to his book. that even though some criticized him for being really hard on Dallas, he felt if anything he was "too easy on it", that he thought at the time of the 11/63 murder, "Dallas was a hateful place", and that he holds "strong opinions on the subject, particularly given the current political climate of my country."

I think he was already a committed leftist by that 2011 time frame.
Posted by: RM at March 19, 2025

***
Oh, long before that. He inserted some cracks about Nixon in Firestarter, for instance. But he didn't let it affect the story itself.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 19, 2025 01:23 PM (J2vNu)

439 If I were using it as an anti-personnel platform and allowed to use non FMJ I would go with a .27 fullpower over a 30.
Posted by: sven at March 19, 2025 01:21 PM (X0I7i)

Yup. The Winchester .270 is a superb cartridge.

Posted by: mrp at March 19, 2025 01:24 PM (rj6Yv)

440 I seem to recall one of the things which held back the Carcano, among many, was: Cost. I want to say my rather hazy memory says the round the military used was downloaded in order to preserve the gain twist rifling, in order to further the life of the rifle.
Posted by: blake
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The reverse, the gain twist was used for accuracy and barrel longevity. Slow twist is easier on the bullet at a critical stage while the faster twist at the bore imparted the desired spin. Slow twist barrels last longer so a combo twist mean that the part of the barrel right after the chamber that gets most of the hot gas was less damaged by rifling erosion and thus damaged the bullet less when fired.

Posted by: whig at March 19, 2025 01:25 PM (ctrM5)

441 Yup. The Winchester .270 is a superb cartridge.
Posted by: mrp at March 19, 2025 01:24 PM

And I'm superber.

Posted by: .280 Remington AI at March 19, 2025 01:27 PM (a3Q+t)

442 @401 - the biggest problem I had with TNG's characters was that they were all the same character.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 19, 2025 01:28 PM (WPL6O)

443 401 The empath could only sense what was obvious to everyone else around her.

-- --

Troi really was quite useless for most of the run.
They eventually had to have her take executive office training so she could have something to do other than sit in the chair looking cute.

By the end she had a well-rounded character, but you can say that for most of them, who were pretty much all cardboard cutouts for the first few seasons.

The amazing thing to me is that Patrick Stewart looks old as hell in the first seasons and starts looking younger as the seasons rolled on.

Maybe it was the skinny-jeans uniforms they wore early on that made him look emaciated?

Posted by: SpeakingOf at March 19, 2025 01:29 PM (6ydKt)

444 Hah, I'm not even trying to be mean. If you're going to be even halfway realistic about Diana, certain adjectives are going to occur.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at March 19, 2025 01:15 PM (lCaJd)

I still feel bad for her. Maybe she didn't know about that old skank, Camilla. Anna Wallace didn't either. She only found out right before the engagement was announced. They went to a grand ballroom party only to have him immediately run off to spend the evening with Camilla.

I recall the lead up to the big wedding pretty well, and I don't recall anyone bringing up his continuous relation ship with that already married slag. Anna should have slapped him silly.

Posted by: Night lifted.... at March 19, 2025 01:29 PM (2NXcZ)

445 Pam Bondi says that firearm suppressors are not [rotected under the 2A and can be regulated. Good choice for AG. (spit)

Admitting to any cracks in the NFA would open up a whole can of worms that no politician is willing to risk.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 19, 2025 01:30 PM (/y8xj)

446 How many political assassinations have you heard of where the shooter says "I'm a patsy!"
———

How many innocent patsies have a shit eating grin in their official mugshot?

Or photographed giving the communist clenched fist salute as they are being led by the press?

He was “a shitty little communist” if Jackie Kennedy can be believed. Maybe at the behest of the CIA, sure. They were Red right from the start

Posted by: Common Tater at March 19, 2025 01:36 PM (ep0RS)

447 Shouldn't you be getting AIDS Prep Meds for your trip to France?

Posted by: garrett at March 19, 2025 01:16 PM (yHAEf)

Already here!

[Damn..there are some hotties here]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 19, 2025 01:37 PM (L5An7)

448 Its been demonstrated by multiple tests that there was no Oliver Stone-style magical path or impossible behavior on the part of the bullet.

And I am truly baffled that people keep insisting that Oswald CANNOT have been the shooter. Why not him? Someone fired those shots, why can it not have been the guy with the rifle?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 19, 2025 01:04 PM (2VST1)

There was a Discovery(?) TV show investigation that determined one of the shots was blocked by a stoplight and when they took a look at it, there was a bullet crease in it.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at March 19, 2025 01:42 PM (zrlyb)

449 [i/]
Goof

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at March 19, 2025 01:42 PM (zrlyb)

450

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at March 19, 2025 01:43 PM (zrlyb)

451 The Assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy Considered as a Downhill Motor Race by J. G. Ballard

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 19, 2025 01:52 PM (2CdPi)

452 I studied the feasibility of extending the elevator shaft on the school book depository building. They added the elevator to reach the sixth floor museum but it didn't go to the seventh. Left that firm before the project became real, but it was interesting because it was all load bearing clay fired brick.

Also did a thing at the old red courthouse, there on Dealy Plaza. Had to fix the trusses spanning the courtrooms.

Posted by: TexasDan at March 19, 2025 01:55 PM (z/ifB)

453 What a shock. Oswald's elevator really didn't go all the way to the top...

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at March 19, 2025 01:58 PM (2CdPi)

454 All I know is Jackie should have been recovering brain material on the dashboard if he was shot from behind. Sorry.

Oh, the implicative files were destroyed long ago.

Posted by: Danimal28 at March 19, 2025 03:31 PM (1E4GV)

455 I downloaded one of the docs at random and it turned out to be the record of an FBI interview of the American adoptive father of a Korean-born kid who, while an Army PFC in 1967 in Japan, sought asylum in the Cuban embassy.

I wonder what became of that?

Posted by: Roc Ingersoll, aka Crewman #6 at March 19, 2025 03:56 PM (vydmm)

456 We already knew most of the JFK stuff. Now do Epstein, bc that's where the real scumbags are hiding

Posted by: Kimo Loka at March 19, 2025 05:17 PM (rbcSc)

457 When do we get the McKinley and Garfield files?
Posted by: Mark1971 at March 19, 2025 12:21 PM (Vj4xA)

Garfield was not killed by an assassin's bullet. Fact. Not conspiracy theory. He was killed by his doctor in an act of gross medical malpractice.

And by gross, I do mean gross. Like: repeatedly sticking his unwashed hands in Garfield's open wounds, probing for the bullet. Which, even if the doctor did not understand germ theory in 1881, still caused extreme and unnecessary pain to the wounded president.

Posted by: Schroedinger's Cat Wears the Emperor's New Clothes at March 19, 2025 07:09 PM (5Pci1)

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