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Trump Pauses Mexico Tarrifs
President Donald Trump has said that Mexico will not have to pay a tariff on all goods that fall under the USMCA (United States, Mexico, Canada) trade agreement until April 2, when the agreement expires. Trump posted on Truth Social, "After speaking with President Claudia Sheinbaum of Mexico, I have agreed that Mexico will not be required to pay Tariffs on anything that falls under the USMCA Agreement." "This Agreement is until April 2nd. I did this as an accommodation, and out of respect for, President Sheinbaum. Our relationship has been a very good one, and we are working hard, together, on the Border, both in terms of stopping Illegal Aliens from entering the United States and, likewise, stopping Fentanyl. Thank you to President Sheinbaum for your hard work and cooperation!" Trump added.
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Wut
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:15 PM (ctrM5)
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I'll call the Corgies
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:15 PM (ctrM5)
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They do right, they get pause.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:15 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 12:15 PM (uCjyK)
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Good afternoon Ace and everyone
Posted by: Skip i at March 06, 2025 12:16 PM (fwDg9)
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I’ll get’em
Posted by: kallisto at March 06, 2025 12:16 PM (E70Gb)
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What does USMCA stand for?
Posted by: Bulg at March 06, 2025 12:17 PM (77rzZ)
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This may be a high-level negotiating tactic but it looks flip-floppy.
Posted by: Candidus at March 06, 2025 12:17 PM (FJ2sp)
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Carrot and stick.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 06, 2025 12:17 PM (Q4IgG)
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7 What does USMCA stand for?
Posted by: Bulg at March 06, 2025 12:17 PM (77rzZ)
US Mexico CAnada trade agreement.
Posted by: Bulg at March 06, 2025 12:17 PM (77rzZ)
US Mexico CAnada trade agreement.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 12:17 PM (uCjyK)
Posted by: Bulg at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (77rzZ)
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USMCA is the new NAFTA, the one that Trump got through in his last term.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (uCjyK)
Posted by: Candidus at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (FJ2sp)
Posted by: Francis at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (bbuBP)
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Oh, thank God! Now I can make guacamole!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (2UnvF)
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I hope he doesn't pause the tariffs on Canada though. Trudeau is asshoe.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 12:15 PM (uCjyK)
Didn't Trudeau say that he was going to establish a retaliatory tariff in response to Trump's reciprocal one... thereby demonstrating that he's an idiot, as well as being asshoe.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 12:15 PM (uCjyK)
Didn't Trudeau say that he was going to establish a retaliatory tariff in response to Trump's reciprocal one... thereby demonstrating that he's an idiot, as well as being asshoe.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: Josephistan at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (bHGBC)
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Keep treating Trudeau like a whiny little bitch.....
Posted by: Stateless...46% - mental state clawing up from 10% at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (jvJvP)
Posted by: Bulg at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (77rzZ)
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13 Ha!
Posted by: Can't Make gp's Shimmy Shake On Tea at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (XArC2)
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Keep them scared.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at March 06, 2025 12:19 PM (N1tpc)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 06, 2025 12:19 PM (tT6L1)
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What does USMCA stand for?
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The Village People popularized a song and dance for this in the 70s.
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The Village People popularized a song and dance for this in the 70s.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 06, 2025 12:19 PM (shH1w)
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Trump is just playing games with all these people
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 06, 2025 12:19 PM (34LIQ)
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Willowed but important,
That sounds like a really subjective definition of the rule, what exactly describes "particular" damage? I get that judges have to have some room to, well, judge, but this is being abused to just not hear stuff that the judges don't want to deal with for ... reasons.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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The more cynical among us would say that the Court invented the justiciability doctrine in order to avoid taking cases they didn't want to deal with.
The Courts would say it would be an unworkable system otherwise because millions of cases would be filed every day on everything imaginable.
Probably some truth in both.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Justiciability is one of the concepts hardest to grasp in law. And it often looks like Justice Potter's comment about obscenity--"I know it when I see it". Standing, political question, ripeness, mootness, etc. are like any other discretionary power-necessary but subject to abuse.
That sounds like a really subjective definition of the rule, what exactly describes "particular" damage? I get that judges have to have some room to, well, judge, but this is being abused to just not hear stuff that the judges don't want to deal with for ... reasons.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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The more cynical among us would say that the Court invented the justiciability doctrine in order to avoid taking cases they didn't want to deal with.
The Courts would say it would be an unworkable system otherwise because millions of cases would be filed every day on everything imaginable.
Probably some truth in both.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Justiciability is one of the concepts hardest to grasp in law. And it often looks like Justice Potter's comment about obscenity--"I know it when I see it". Standing, political question, ripeness, mootness, etc. are like any other discretionary power-necessary but subject to abuse.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:19 PM (ctrM5)
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Didn't Trudeau say that he was going to establish a retaliatory tariff in response to Trump's reciprocal one... thereby demonstrating that he's an idiot, as well as being asshoe.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (ExV1e)
Yes, he's saying that the US will be totally boned if we do tariffs on Canada and has been peacocking around Canada trying to improve his image by making Trump a bad guy. As Trump said -- didn't Trudeau resign? Why is he still there?
Mexico has not made similar threats.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (ExV1e)
Yes, he's saying that the US will be totally boned if we do tariffs on Canada and has been peacocking around Canada trying to improve his image by making Trump a bad guy. As Trump said -- didn't Trudeau resign? Why is he still there?
Mexico has not made similar threats.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 12:19 PM (uCjyK)
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United States Marine Corps Auxiliary - i.e., the Navy
Posted by: Candidus at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (FJ2sp)
Very funny. Have another crayon.
Posted by: Candidus at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (FJ2sp)
Very funny. Have another crayon.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:19 PM (ExV1e)
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USMCA
From Wiki:
United States–Mexico–Canada Agreement
The Agreement between the United States of America, the United Mexican States, and Canada (USMCA) is a free trade agreement among the United States, Mexico, and Canada. It replaced the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) implemented in 1994.
From Wiki:
United States–Mexico–Canada Agreement
The Agreement between the United States of America, the United Mexican States, and Canada (USMCA) is a free trade agreement among the United States, Mexico, and Canada. It replaced the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) implemented in 1994.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 06, 2025 12:19 PM (Q4IgG)
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How about that? Just explain that the human trafficking and fentanyl smuggling needs to stop and they finally listen.
Posted by: NR Pax at March 06, 2025 12:20 PM (svLOV)
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Didn't Trudeau say that he was going to establish a retaliatory tariff in response to Trump's reciprocal one... thereby demonstrating that he's an idiot, as well as being asshoe.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (ExV1e)
A lot of our braindead subhuman assholes are on board 'Team Canada.'
Screw them.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (ExV1e)
A lot of our braindead subhuman assholes are on board 'Team Canada.'
Screw them.
Posted by: Stateless...46% - mental state clawing up from 10% at March 06, 2025 12:20 PM (jvJvP)
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It's all about the leverage.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 06, 2025 12:20 PM (jc0TO)
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I like President Trump, but it wouldn't break my heart if he was to give up this whole tariff thing - except when strategically warranted. I get the logic behind it, but it is unnecessarily freaking out the markets. The bigger and more important battles are with the internal enemies, rather than the external one.
Posted by: Seamus Moon at March 06, 2025 12:20 PM (Ab/3c)
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Trump talked about this the other night when he shamed the demonrats in front of the whole universe.
Posted by: kallisto at March 06, 2025 12:20 PM (E70Gb)
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How is that different from NAFTA?
Posted by: Bulg at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (77rzZ)
Better terms for the US.
Posted by: Bulg at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (77rzZ)
Better terms for the US.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:20 PM (ExV1e)
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Nothing will make sense to your American ears, and you will doubt everything that we do, but in the end you will understand.
Posted by: Alejandro at March 06, 2025 12:20 PM (W2EWw)
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This was expected and the whole purpose of the tariffs. They are tools -- weapons, leverage, whatever -- to get stubborn countries to do what Trump wants. Trump doesn't really want the tariffs. He wants a new USMCA, with better trade terms for the USA from both Mexico and Canada. The tariffs are small potatoes compared to a more USA-friendly trade agreement. That's the goal. The tariffs are means to an end.
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 06, 2025 12:21 PM (iFTx/)
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Sorta, some of them
Fashion Notes: Melania Trump Attends State of the Union in Subtle Dior Tweed
Interesting, so the idiots in fashion houses aren't shutting out Melania this time again? Maybe she'll make it to a magazine cover once in a while.
Fashion Notes: Melania Trump Attends State of the Union in Subtle Dior Tweed
Interesting, so the idiots in fashion houses aren't shutting out Melania this time again? Maybe she'll make it to a magazine cover once in a while.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:21 PM (2VST1)
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Local highschool had a rally out in front of the school with many students damning Trump. One sign wanted Zelinsky to replace Trump. Other signs were telling Trump where to go, and not to heaven. Starving children around the world, etc.
I'd bet the teachers have had a big hand in this.
I'd bet the teachers have had a big hand in this.
Posted by: Colin at March 06, 2025 12:21 PM (wlQdF)
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Willowed -
he will offer France’s nuclear weapons umbrella “to all allies on the European continent”
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Did the Union of Concerned Scientists move the Doomsday Clock closer to midnight on this news? If not, why not?
he will offer France’s nuclear weapons umbrella “to all allies on the European continent”
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Did the Union of Concerned Scientists move the Doomsday Clock closer to midnight on this news? If not, why not?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 06, 2025 12:21 PM (shH1w)
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Very funny. Have another crayon.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
Hey I'm Army, crayons are too dangerous for us.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
Hey I'm Army, crayons are too dangerous for us.
Posted by: Candidus at March 06, 2025 12:21 PM (FJ2sp)
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Oh, so USMCA replaced NAFTA. Got it, thanks.
Posted by: Bulg at March 06, 2025 12:21 PM (77rzZ)
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NAS Pensacola
@NASPCOLA
NAS Pensacola Navy Security Forces and local law enforcement entities are responding to an active shooter situation March 6 onboard Corry Station.
@NASPCOLA
NAS Pensacola Navy Security Forces and local law enforcement entities are responding to an active shooter situation March 6 onboard Corry Station.
Posted by: SMOD at March 06, 2025 12:21 PM (RHGPo)
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Mexico has not made similar threats.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 12:19 PM (uCjyK)
Mexico's President wants to remain Mexico's President.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 12:19 PM (uCjyK)
Mexico's President wants to remain Mexico's President.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:22 PM (ExV1e)
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Carrot, stick repeat as necessary
Posted by: steevy at March 06, 2025 12:22 PM (KQk9m)
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21 Keep them scared.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian
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It actually disrupts any investment in Mexico or Canada with the intent of offshoring US production there. Investors whether companies or individuals hate uncertainty so Trump is using that strategically to reshore production in the US and to further his goals in stopping fentanyl and illegals from Mexico and Canada. Win-Win.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian
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It actually disrupts any investment in Mexico or Canada with the intent of offshoring US production there. Investors whether companies or individuals hate uncertainty so Trump is using that strategically to reshore production in the US and to further his goals in stopping fentanyl and illegals from Mexico and Canada. Win-Win.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:22 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 06, 2025 12:22 PM (xTIDn)
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This is how it works. Trump uses tariffs to get things done. Every one of these countries is MUCH more dependent on the U.S. than we are on them. In most cases what trump wants is not even unreasonable - fair trade, help securing borders, more military support defending your country. Kinda things they should be doing anyway.
Other presidents ask nicely and get squat. Trump says do this or else.
Other presidents ask nicely and get squat. Trump says do this or else.
Posted by: El Mariachi at March 06, 2025 12:22 PM (nLFEI)
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Guessing this is quid pro quo. I don't mind that.
Posted by: American Hawkman at March 06, 2025 12:22 PM (9VDxG)
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Interesting, so the idiots in fashion houses aren't shutting out Melania this time again? Maybe she'll make it to a magazine cover once in a while.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:21 PM (2VST1)
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Melania could make a contractor bag look elegant. I hope she tells Vogue et. al. to pound sand.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:21 PM (2VST1)
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Melania could make a contractor bag look elegant. I hope she tells Vogue et. al. to pound sand.
Posted by: ScaryMary at March 06, 2025 12:22 PM (i/l90)
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How is that different from NAFTA?
Posted by: Bulg at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (77rzZ)
USMCA is a gorgeous, better, amazing, unbelievable version of NAFTA.
Basically Trump renegotiated some of protectionism that Canada and Mexico had in the original NAFTA. Got rid of things like the Canadian government subsidizing fuel for trucks bringing American lumber to Canadian processing facilities, stuff like that. Evened out some of the tariff levels as well.
I don't know all of the specifics, this is not a topic I've dived too deeply in to.
Posted by: Bulg at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (77rzZ)
USMCA is a gorgeous, better, amazing, unbelievable version of NAFTA.
Basically Trump renegotiated some of protectionism that Canada and Mexico had in the original NAFTA. Got rid of things like the Canadian government subsidizing fuel for trucks bringing American lumber to Canadian processing facilities, stuff like that. Evened out some of the tariff levels as well.
I don't know all of the specifics, this is not a topic I've dived too deeply in to.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 12:22 PM (uCjyK)
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It's weird how when you stop USAID from funding Catholic Charities, Samaritans Purse and Jewish Family Services, the flow of illegals into the country seems to grind to a halt.
It's almost as if it has less to do with Mexico's enforcement and more with our own government running a massive relocation program to replace our own population with low income wage slaves.
Ah, never mind, it's probably just me.
It's almost as if it has less to do with Mexico's enforcement and more with our own government running a massive relocation program to replace our own population with low income wage slaves.
Ah, never mind, it's probably just me.
Posted by: Retarded American at March 06, 2025 12:23 PM (48vyG)
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I like President Trump, but it wouldn't break my heart if he was to give up this whole tariff thing - except when strategically warranted. I get the logic behind it, but it is unnecessarily freaking out the markets.
Its the right move in the long run, but probably better done in smaller doses rather than all our neighbors at once. That said, I strongly suspect that negotiations and deals are being made behind the scenes that will soon be revealed in which Mexico is doing things we asked them to.
Its the right move in the long run, but probably better done in smaller doses rather than all our neighbors at once. That said, I strongly suspect that negotiations and deals are being made behind the scenes that will soon be revealed in which Mexico is doing things we asked them to.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:23 PM (2VST1)
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I am sure it's all in The Art of the Deal, I never read it
Posted by: Skip i at March 06, 2025 12:23 PM (fwDg9)
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Very funny. Have another crayon.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
Hey I'm Army, crayons are too dangerous for us.
Posted by: Candidus at March 06, 2025 12:21 PM (FJ2sp)
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This place.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
Hey I'm Army, crayons are too dangerous for us.
Posted by: Candidus at March 06, 2025 12:21 PM (FJ2sp)
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This place.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 06, 2025 12:23 PM (tT6L1)
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Naval Air Station Pensacola officials have closed the gates at Corry Station, along with the main gate and west gate, after a report of an armed disturbance.
Posted by: SMOD at March 06, 2025 12:23 PM (RHGPo)
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What is the use of being a Great Power if you can't push around failed Narco States?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 06, 2025 12:23 PM (jc0TO)
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it is unnecessarily freaking out the markets
FUD is freaking out the markets. One means of overcoming FUD is to do a thing and show the people freaked out just how fucking stupid they were.
FUD is freaking out the markets. One means of overcoming FUD is to do a thing and show the people freaked out just how fucking stupid they were.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:23 PM (ExV1e)
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> Didn't Trudeau say that he was going to establish a retaliatory tariff in response to Trump's reciprocal one... thereby demonstrating that he's an idiot, as well as being asshoe.
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Doesn't he only have a couple days left until he supposed to step down? I doubt that anything he says or does between now, and that date (the 8th, 9th?) is worth a shit.
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Doesn't he only have a couple days left until he supposed to step down? I doubt that anything he says or does between now, and that date (the 8th, 9th?) is worth a shit.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 06, 2025 12:23 PM (Q4IgG)
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I'd bet the teachers have had a big hand in this.
Yes, the bints who aren’t in jail yet for raping their students certainly did.
Yes, the bints who aren’t in jail yet for raping their students certainly did.
Posted by: kallisto at March 06, 2025 12:23 PM (E70Gb)
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Afternoon ace. People on the left yelling about Trump's tariffs don't understand the tariffs are all negotiating tactics. Trudeau wants to act tough when our country is an economic giant and his isn't? Go for it dummy.
Scheinbaum in Mexico ain't stupid, an economic downturn in Mexico could toss her out of office or worse .
Scheinbaum in Mexico ain't stupid, an economic downturn in Mexico could toss her out of office or worse .
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 06, 2025 12:24 PM (2Km7O)
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This is getting dumb, what is the plan ?
It just seems like long-term policies being driven by short term stock market fluctuations
It just seems like long-term policies being driven by short term stock market fluctuations
Posted by: Maroon at March 06, 2025 12:24 PM (PGboh)
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>> I like President Trump, but it wouldn't break my heart if he was to give up this whole tariff thing - except when strategically warranted. I get the logic behind it, but it is unnecessarily freaking out the markets.
Fuck the Markets.
Fuck the Markets.
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:24 PM (oa1NA)
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Art of the Deal
give and take
Aluminum Siding Sales 101
heh heh. The Heebs thing....but def nonorthodox
give and take
Aluminum Siding Sales 101
heh heh. The Heebs thing....but def nonorthodox
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 06, 2025 12:25 PM (x5Jut)
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What does USMCA stand for?
Posted by: Bulg at March 06, 2025 12:17 PM (77rzZ)
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US Marine Corps, Asshole!
Posted by: Bulg at March 06, 2025 12:17 PM (77rzZ)
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US Marine Corps, Asshole!
Posted by: Your Friendly Local Jarhead at March 06, 2025 12:25 PM (3qNLt)
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The origins of Marines fascinate me. Basically army that the Navy carries around in case they need to do something on land. Well, and control pressed sailors.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:25 PM (2VST1)
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He wants a new USMCA, with better trade terms for the USA from both Mexico and Canada. The tariffs are small potatoes compared to a more USA-friendly trade agreement. That's the goal. The tariffs are means to an end.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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True. Unlike NAFTA, USMCA has an explicit reauthorization date on July 1, 2026. It also is far more flexible in allowing the US to react to Canada and Mexico being used as pass throughs by China for Fentanyl and other Chinese imports of steel, aluminum, etc.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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True. Unlike NAFTA, USMCA has an explicit reauthorization date on July 1, 2026. It also is far more flexible in allowing the US to react to Canada and Mexico being used as pass throughs by China for Fentanyl and other Chinese imports of steel, aluminum, etc.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:25 PM (ctrM5)
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Fuck the Markets.
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:24 PM
I'm down but bargain hunting today.
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:24 PM
I'm down but bargain hunting today.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 06, 2025 12:25 PM (jc0TO)
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That's my President!
Posted by: m at March 06, 2025 12:25 PM (CQE5S)
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The shooting reported at Corry Station in Pensacola may have been a false alarm.
Escambia County Sheriff is on my local station saying the building where the reported shooting took place has been swept and there is no evidence that a shooting took place.
They're going back in to re-sweep just to be sure.
Escambia County Sheriff is on my local station saying the building where the reported shooting took place has been swept and there is no evidence that a shooting took place.
They're going back in to re-sweep just to be sure.
Posted by: one hour sober at March 06, 2025 12:25 PM (Y1sOo)
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I still have a HUGE problem with Mexico's relationship with China. China's primary economic efforts these days is centered on setting up Chinese industry on foreign soil. You may have noticed quite a few items in the stores that used to say "Made in China" that now say something like "Made in Vietnam".
Mexico welcomed China in with open arms. There are many, many manufacturing set-ups in Mexico right now under Chinese control. The reason they did this is because they thought the US would only target them with tariffs, and Biden placed major tariffs on Mainland China products while a miniscule tariff on off-mainland items...such as those manufactured in Mexico. Incidentally, Canada did the same thing, and probably more infiltrated politically by China than most countries on the planet.
Mexico welcomed China in with open arms. There are many, many manufacturing set-ups in Mexico right now under Chinese control. The reason they did this is because they thought the US would only target them with tariffs, and Biden placed major tariffs on Mainland China products while a miniscule tariff on off-mainland items...such as those manufactured in Mexico. Incidentally, Canada did the same thing, and probably more infiltrated politically by China than most countries on the planet.
Posted by: Orson at March 06, 2025 12:26 PM (dIske)
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What Trump wants:
Help secure our borders
Help us curb fentanyl and illegal immigration
Help us defend you
Have fair trade with us.
None of this, not one bit, is detrimental to the countries in question. He's not asking for the fine silverware; he's asking them to do things that help both countries thrive.
Help secure our borders
Help us curb fentanyl and illegal immigration
Help us defend you
Have fair trade with us.
None of this, not one bit, is detrimental to the countries in question. He's not asking for the fine silverware; he's asking them to do things that help both countries thrive.
Posted by: El Mariachi at March 06, 2025 12:26 PM (nLFEI)
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The Atlanta Fed tracker now predicts negative GDP growth for Q1 this year, the jobs report yesterday was abysmal, and inflation is rising. Trump's doing all this in exchange for nothing, don't give me this "negotiation", "leverage" bullshit.
Posted by: deepelemblues at March 06, 2025 12:26 PM (rgGVs)
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[with apologies to our Canuck friends here and IRL -- and I can't wait for Pierre Poilievre to become PM:]
I get a chuckle every time Sundance at CTH refers to Canadians as "Snow Mexicans."
/I denounce myself once again ...
I get a chuckle every time Sundance at CTH refers to Canadians as "Snow Mexicans."
/I denounce myself once again ...
Posted by: ShainS -- America is my favorite drama - I cancelled Amazon Prime at March 06, 2025 12:26 PM (pGv7z)
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Trump doesn't really want the tariffs.
I'm not so sure about that. The punitive tariffs against Mexico and Snow Mexico he may not be super into but I think he really believes in both reciprocal tariffs, which only make sense, and some protective tariffs, particularly for strategically critical industries.
I'm not so sure about that. The punitive tariffs against Mexico and Snow Mexico he may not be super into but I think he really believes in both reciprocal tariffs, which only make sense, and some protective tariffs, particularly for strategically critical industries.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:26 PM (ExV1e)
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It's good. Reward those that show some cooperation. It's how foreign policy should be done.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at March 06, 2025 12:26 PM (g8Ew8)
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These little month-long extensions are fine. The target nation makes (or promises) favorable concessions, and Trump gives 30 days to see if they're actually executing. No more annual promises from NATO nations, for example, to increase spending that never occurs.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 06, 2025 12:27 PM (JCZqz)
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I draw the line at Chinese managed tequila.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 06, 2025 12:27 PM (fJiXH)
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32 I like President Trump, but it wouldn't break my heart if he was to give up this whole tariff thing - except when strategically warranted. I get the logic behind it, but it is unnecessarily freaking out the markets. The bigger and more important battles are with the internal enemies, rather than the external one.
Posted by: Seamus Moon at March 06, 2025 12:20 PM (Ab/3c)
Who cares?
I actually think tariffs are a MUCH better way for fedgov to get tax revenue than income tax.
In fact, most countries use tariffs as a way to protect their domestic industries and to raise money.
We do, too.
But for some reason, it's been embedded in everyones brain that the US can't do tariffs because it will be bad for the US.
How so?
Sure, things may be a little more expensive if we cant buy cheap shit on Amazon that's drop shipped from China as cheaply. But it will keep more jobs in the US and keep more people employed. Overall, that seems like a fair trade off.
Posted by: Seamus Moon at March 06, 2025 12:20 PM (Ab/3c)
Who cares?
I actually think tariffs are a MUCH better way for fedgov to get tax revenue than income tax.
In fact, most countries use tariffs as a way to protect their domestic industries and to raise money.
We do, too.
But for some reason, it's been embedded in everyones brain that the US can't do tariffs because it will be bad for the US.
How so?
Sure, things may be a little more expensive if we cant buy cheap shit on Amazon that's drop shipped from China as cheaply. But it will keep more jobs in the US and keep more people employed. Overall, that seems like a fair trade off.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 12:27 PM (uCjyK)
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52 I like President Trump, but it wouldn't break my heart if he was to give up this whole tariff thing - except when strategically warranted. I get the logic behind it, but it is unnecessarily freaking out the markets.
Not a good example. A three percent decline is not something like Reagan's massive hit to the markets (after the implications of the 1986 tax reform bill) in 1987. 22.6 percent market drop.
Not a good example. A three percent decline is not something like Reagan's massive hit to the markets (after the implications of the 1986 tax reform bill) in 1987. 22.6 percent market drop.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:27 PM (ctrM5)
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65 The origins of Marines fascinate me. Basically army that the Navy carries around in case they need to do something on land. Well, and control pressed sailors.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:25 PM (2VST1)
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The Barbary Pirates made the cardinal mistake of fucking with America's boats so we put together a fighting force of men to go give them the FO part of the FA/FO paradigm.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:25 PM (2VST1)
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The Barbary Pirates made the cardinal mistake of fucking with America's boats so we put together a fighting force of men to go give them the FO part of the FA/FO paradigm.
Posted by: ballistic at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM (Sa0bK)
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Congress needs to pass massive tax cuts (including no taxes on tips/overtime) to offset any negative impact of tarriffs
Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM (V6W16)
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F Canaduh
Longtime Canaduh Tariffs BEFORE Trump became President.
Milk 270%, Cheese 245%, Butter 298%
Chicken 238%, Sausages 69.9%
Barley Seed 57.8%, Bovine/Meat 26.5%
Cars 25%, HVAC 45%, Vacuums35%,
TV's 45%, Steel 25%, Aluminum 45%,
Copper 48%
I guess it's ok for Canaduh to have tariffs but not the US.
Longtime Canaduh Tariffs BEFORE Trump became President.
Milk 270%, Cheese 245%, Butter 298%
Chicken 238%, Sausages 69.9%
Barley Seed 57.8%, Bovine/Meat 26.5%
Cars 25%, HVAC 45%, Vacuums35%,
TV's 45%, Steel 25%, Aluminum 45%,
Copper 48%
I guess it's ok for Canaduh to have tariffs but not the US.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM (nFDf9)
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USA Meehico and Canadia.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM (U0o6X)
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Hand sanitizer doesn't require water and can be an acceptable alternative when soap and water aren't available. But does hand sanitizer kill germs? "It does if it's alcohol-based," says Dr. Gregory Poland, director of the Mayo Clinic Vaccine Research Group.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 06, 2025 12:03 PM (xCA6C)
You said it yourself "when soap isn't available".
Soap is more effective and not only inactivates but also washes away viruses with water. Sanitizer does not wash away nor does it inactivate every virus as effectively, such as norovirus due to the structure. Obviously it's good in a pinch and I use it but if people expect it to deal with viruses the way it deals with bacteria or for that matter the way soap does, they are mistaken.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 06, 2025 12:03 PM (xCA6C)
You said it yourself "when soap isn't available".
Soap is more effective and not only inactivates but also washes away viruses with water. Sanitizer does not wash away nor does it inactivate every virus as effectively, such as norovirus due to the structure. Obviously it's good in a pinch and I use it but if people expect it to deal with viruses the way it deals with bacteria or for that matter the way soap does, they are mistaken.
Posted by: ... at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM (Hpe9G)
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Mexico welcomed China in with open arms. There are many, many manufacturing set-ups in Mexico right now under Chinese control. The reason they did this is because they thought the US would only target them with tariffs, and Biden placed major tariffs on Mainland China products while a miniscule tariff on off-mainland items...such as those manufactured in Mexico. Incidentally, Canada did the same thing, and probably more infiltrated politically by China than most countries on the planet. Posted by: Orson at March 06, 2025 12:26 PM (dIske)
THIS Exactly. And Trump wants to remind them who butters the bread.
THIS Exactly. And Trump wants to remind them who butters the bread.
Posted by: El Mariachi at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM (nLFEI)
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71 None of this, not one bit, is detrimental to the countries in question. He's not asking for the fine silverware; he's asking them to do things that help both countries thrive.
Posted by: El Mariachi at March 06, 2025 12:26 PM (nLFEI)
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"But we might lose some power, and for that we will cut the heads off babies."
-the Cartels
Posted by: El Mariachi at March 06, 2025 12:26 PM (nLFEI)
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"But we might lose some power, and for that we will cut the heads off babies."
-the Cartels
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM (GBKbO)
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All I ask in return is that you bend a knee...
Posted by: Roberto at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM (KToeX)
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Another thing that I find incredulous about all these orders against Trump is the obscene inversion of the normal burdens of proof to manufacture the order they want.
Normally, in nearly every case, it's the the Plaintiff that bears the burden of proof. They must prove the harm. Or, for an injunction or restraining order, the high likelihood of harm.
And not mere speculation by listing a litany of horrors if the worst case happens--actual, concrete "this will happen."
And proof. Not allegations in pleadings.
Instead, every one, from the spending to the firing, has inverted that and grants the order by basically saying "the government hasn't proven the harm alleged by the Plaintiff will NOT happen."
Because they have all started from the assumption that the harms alleged by the plaintiff are true as plead.
Normally, in nearly every case, it's the the Plaintiff that bears the burden of proof. They must prove the harm. Or, for an injunction or restraining order, the high likelihood of harm.
And not mere speculation by listing a litany of horrors if the worst case happens--actual, concrete "this will happen."
And proof. Not allegations in pleadings.
Instead, every one, from the spending to the firing, has inverted that and grants the order by basically saying "the government hasn't proven the harm alleged by the Plaintiff will NOT happen."
Because they have all started from the assumption that the harms alleged by the plaintiff are true as plead.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM (uLKZx)
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Heh,
There's a commercial on my Canadian tv station for "Products of Canada.' I've also seen commercials on FoxNews saying how wonderful we are.
That's probably easier than securing the border and giving up the Chinese kickbacks.
Kate at smalldeadanimals covers Chinese influence in Canada a lot. Big story on there now.
There's a commercial on my Canadian tv station for "Products of Canada.' I've also seen commercials on FoxNews saying how wonderful we are.
That's probably easier than securing the border and giving up the Chinese kickbacks.
Kate at smalldeadanimals covers Chinese influence in Canada a lot. Big story on there now.
Posted by: Stateless...46% - mental state clawing up from 10% at March 06, 2025 12:29 PM (jvJvP)
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The origins of Marines fascinate me. Basically army that the Navy carries around in case they need to do something on land. Well, and control pressed sailors.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Fun fact: It was Marines that Robert E. Lee led against John Brown at Harper's Ferry. I guess they were the only troops he could find in a hurry.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Fun fact: It was Marines that Robert E. Lee led against John Brown at Harper's Ferry. I guess they were the only troops he could find in a hurry.
Posted by: Bulg at March 06, 2025 12:29 PM (77rzZ)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 06, 2025 12:29 PM (u82oZ)
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All I ask in return is that you bend a knee...
Posted by: Roberto at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM
A token offering of earth and water..
Posted by: Roberto at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM
A token offering of earth and water..
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 06, 2025 12:29 PM (jc0TO)
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But the biggest issue with all these order, the issue upon which the Republic hangs is this:
These courts as substituting their determination in place of the lawfully elected and authorized determination of the Executive.
They are skipping past the practice of what they are doing by elevating process--claiming it's process violations while they are actually enjoining the Constitutional authority of the President.
The Executive has determined there is widespread fraud, waste, abuse and misuse in spending.
The Executive has also determined that individuals and classes of employees continued employment is not consistent with the will of the Executive in his Constitutional prerogatives.
The Executive has further taken action consistent with those determinations.
The courts do not have to like it. The courts can even be offended by it. Believe it overbroad, etc.
But nowhere in the Constitution does it give the Judicial the authority to substitute its determination for that made by the elected and politically accountable Executive.
The Constitution doesn't start "WE the People and Judiciary of the United States."
These courts as substituting their determination in place of the lawfully elected and authorized determination of the Executive.
They are skipping past the practice of what they are doing by elevating process--claiming it's process violations while they are actually enjoining the Constitutional authority of the President.
The Executive has determined there is widespread fraud, waste, abuse and misuse in spending.
The Executive has also determined that individuals and classes of employees continued employment is not consistent with the will of the Executive in his Constitutional prerogatives.
The Executive has further taken action consistent with those determinations.
The courts do not have to like it. The courts can even be offended by it. Believe it overbroad, etc.
But nowhere in the Constitution does it give the Judicial the authority to substitute its determination for that made by the elected and politically accountable Executive.
The Constitution doesn't start "WE the People and Judiciary of the United States."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 06, 2025 12:29 PM (uLKZx)
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Trump doesn't really want the tariffs
I think he doesn't want to maintain them but he's very fine with them as leverage, as a negotiating tool. He doesn't want 25% tariffs on Canada, but he is fine with doing so in order to pressure Canada to lower their tariffs and protect the border better, for example. At least, that is how I understand what he's doing.
I think he doesn't want to maintain them but he's very fine with them as leverage, as a negotiating tool. He doesn't want 25% tariffs on Canada, but he is fine with doing so in order to pressure Canada to lower their tariffs and protect the border better, for example. At least, that is how I understand what he's doing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:29 PM (2VST1)
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I’ll just say it, the tariff thing is being handled stupidly. So Canada has higher tariffs than China? Why not squeeze China first?
Getting companies to relocate to the United States takes decades. Some overnight giant tariff increase isn’t really gonna do anything but jack up prices for consumers.
Getting companies to relocate to the United States takes decades. Some overnight giant tariff increase isn’t really gonna do anything but jack up prices for consumers.
Posted by: Maroon at March 06, 2025 12:29 PM (PGboh)
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Chip Roy holds press conference promoting the Safe Elections Act:
https://tinyurl.com/y28758s3
Surrounded by a posse of Patriots of Color
https://tinyurl.com/y28758s3
Surrounded by a posse of Patriots of Color
Posted by: kallisto at March 06, 2025 12:29 PM (E70Gb)
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Didn't Trudeau say that he was going to establish a retaliatory tariff in response to Trump's reciprocal one... thereby demonstrating that he's an idiot, as well as being asshoe.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (ExV1e)
Tariff war justifies higher taxes, crappier services, and open acceptance of world bank and IMF payments.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (ExV1e)
Tariff war justifies higher taxes, crappier services, and open acceptance of world bank and IMF payments.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 06, 2025 12:29 PM (D7oie)
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The man loves his taco bowls and is afraid of them being taken away.
Posted by: ... at March 06, 2025 12:30 PM (Hpe9G)
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Sure, things may be a little more expensive if we cant buy cheap shit on Amazon that's drop shipped from China as cheaply. But it will keep more jobs in the US and keep more people employed. Overall, that seems like a fair trade off.
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There's also an argument that the overall tax burden would be made flatter.
The merits of a flat tax are debatable, but if merchants aren't required to collect the tax as these are tariffs then that is a good thing.
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There's also an argument that the overall tax burden would be made flatter.
The merits of a flat tax are debatable, but if merchants aren't required to collect the tax as these are tariffs then that is a good thing.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 06, 2025 12:30 PM (fJiXH)
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The Atlanta Fed tracker now predicts negative GDP growth for Q1 this year, the jobs report yesterday was abysmal, and inflation is rising
Cutting government spending reduces the GDP metric
Job losses from firing government workers driving the jobs report, which for the past year has all growth in hiring government workers
Inflation is up because Biden kept fu... killing chickens.
Cutting government spending reduces the GDP metric
Job losses from firing government workers driving the jobs report, which for the past year has all growth in hiring government workers
Inflation is up because Biden kept fu... killing chickens.
Posted by: Candidus at March 06, 2025 12:30 PM (FJ2sp)
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How is that different from NAFTA?
Posted by: Bulg at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (77rzZ)
Because we are the ones smoking a cigarette AFTA!
How is that different from NAFTA?
Posted by: Bulg at March 06, 2025 12:18 PM (77rzZ)
Because we are the ones smoking a cigarette AFTA!
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 06, 2025 12:30 PM (x5Jut)
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Instead, every one, from the spending to the firing, has inverted that and grants the order by basically saying "the government hasn't proven the harm alleged by the Plaintiff will NOT happen."
Because they have all started from the assumption that the harms alleged by the plaintiff are true as plead.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM (uLKZx)
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Dellinger has completely dropped his case to keep his position after the 3 judge panel on the DC Circuit (including a Biden appointee) stayed the motion that kept Dellinger in his post.
Oh, the firings are going to continue. They are going to accelerate.
Instead, every one, from the spending to the firing, has inverted that and grants the order by basically saying "the government hasn't proven the harm alleged by the Plaintiff will NOT happen."
Because they have all started from the assumption that the harms alleged by the plaintiff are true as plead.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM (uLKZx)
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Dellinger has completely dropped his case to keep his position after the 3 judge panel on the DC Circuit (including a Biden appointee) stayed the motion that kept Dellinger in his post.
Oh, the firings are going to continue. They are going to accelerate.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:30 PM (GBKbO)
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78 32 I like President Trump, but it wouldn't break my heart if he was to give up this whole tariff thing - except when strategically warranted.
Posted by: Seamus Moon
Who cares?
I actually think tariffs are a MUCH better way for fedgov to get tax revenue than income tax.
In fact, most countries use tariffs as a way to protect their domestic industries and to raise money.
We do, too.
But for some reason, it's been embedded in everyones brain that the US can't do tariffs because it will be bad for the US.
How so?
Sure, things may be a little more expensive if we cant buy cheap shit on Amazon that's drop shipped from China as cheaply. But it will keep more jobs in the US and keep more people employed. Overall, that seems like a fair trade off.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Anyone should read Alexander Hamilton's ideas on tariffs in his Report on Manufactures (1791). Here is a sober analysis of Hamilton's economic plans for the US by the NBER https://tinyurl.com/4hj22js6
Posted by: Seamus Moon
Who cares?
I actually think tariffs are a MUCH better way for fedgov to get tax revenue than income tax.
In fact, most countries use tariffs as a way to protect their domestic industries and to raise money.
We do, too.
But for some reason, it's been embedded in everyones brain that the US can't do tariffs because it will be bad for the US.
How so?
Sure, things may be a little more expensive if we cant buy cheap shit on Amazon that's drop shipped from China as cheaply. But it will keep more jobs in the US and keep more people employed. Overall, that seems like a fair trade off.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Anyone should read Alexander Hamilton's ideas on tariffs in his Report on Manufactures (1791). Here is a sober analysis of Hamilton's economic plans for the US by the NBER https://tinyurl.com/4hj22js6
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:30 PM (ctrM5)
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30 days people! 30 days!
Posted by: James Carville, Sphilitic Ranting at March 06, 2025 12:30 PM (EEZHI)
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Posted by: deepelemblues at March 06, 2025 12:26 PM (rgGVs)
We’re all going to die if things aren’t throughly positively transformed by two weeks from now!!!!
We’re all going to die if things aren’t throughly positively transformed by two weeks from now!!!!
Posted by: Hair on fire at March 06, 2025 12:31 PM (hP9t8)
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Markets. Markets. Markets.
Posted by: Jan at March 06, 2025 12:31 PM (bbuBP)
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Mexico will never pay those tariffs. American consumers will.
Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at March 06, 2025 12:31 PM (P7Iz+)
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The Barbary Pirates made the cardinal mistake of fucking with America's boats so we put together a fighting force of men to go give them the FO part of the FA/FO paradigm.
Basically they'd been doing it for about 500 years and finally Europe and the USA had the time, money, and lack of war long enough to go down and stuff the Muslims into their own anii for centuries of piracy and slavery.
Basically they'd been doing it for about 500 years and finally Europe and the USA had the time, money, and lack of war long enough to go down and stuff the Muslims into their own anii for centuries of piracy and slavery.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:31 PM (2VST1)
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53 I am sure it's all in The Art of the Deal, I never read it
Posted by: Skip i at March 06, 2025 12:23 PM (fwDg9)
I did... And yes
Posted by: Skip i at March 06, 2025 12:23 PM (fwDg9)
I did... And yes
Posted by: It's me donna at March 06, 2025 12:31 PM (VE6XX)
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This pause is not a problem, is it?? Might be a nuce negotiating tool..
Posted by: tubal at March 06, 2025 12:31 PM (PCK5/)
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100 The Atlanta Fed tracker now predicts negative GDP growth for Q1 this year, the jobs report yesterday was abysmal, and inflation is rising
Cutting government spending reduces the GDP metric
Job losses from firing government workers driving the jobs report, which for the past year has all growth in hiring government workers
Inflation is up because Biden kept fu... killing chickens.
Posted by: Candidus at March 06, 2025 12:30 PM (FJ2sp)
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Inflation is actually slowing. Other than that, everything seems to be happening this way.
Cutting government spending and exporting a population are going to have negative impacts on the economic numbers for a short while.
But it's a healthy blood letting.
Cutting government spending reduces the GDP metric
Job losses from firing government workers driving the jobs report, which for the past year has all growth in hiring government workers
Inflation is up because Biden kept fu... killing chickens.
Posted by: Candidus at March 06, 2025 12:30 PM (FJ2sp)
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Inflation is actually slowing. Other than that, everything seems to be happening this way.
Cutting government spending and exporting a population are going to have negative impacts on the economic numbers for a short while.
But it's a healthy blood letting.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:32 PM (GBKbO)
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The Mexicans getting chummy with China is a result of the old Porfirio Diaz line " poor Mexico so far from God, so close to the USA". The Mexicans figured they could chart a foreign/ economic policies away from US. They didn't think that those actions would lead to them being slaves to the Chinese, but also honk off the US, a lot
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 06, 2025 12:32 PM (2Km7O)
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Sigh. If President Trump didn't understand the consequences of tariffs, would he be pushing for immediate tax relief?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 06, 2025 12:32 PM (tT6L1)
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>>Anyone should read Alexander Hamilton's ideas on tariffs in his Report on Manufactures (1791). Here is a sober analysis of Hamilton's economic plans for the US by the NBER https://tinyurl.com/4hj22js6
For a Black Haitian Rapper, that guy had some sound fiscal ideas.
For a Black Haitian Rapper, that guy had some sound fiscal ideas.
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:32 PM (oa1NA)
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Newsome just discovered that men paralyzing women's brains with volleyballs is "unfair". Whatta guy. A true Moderate.
Posted by: ... at March 06, 2025 12:32 PM (Hpe9G)
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Well, Harumph, you won't see toadying, sniveling shit like this out of the Ivy League expert, educated, traditional diplomatic foreign service corps I'll tell you.
This Trump guy hasn't gone to Bohemian Grove or all the other in crowd gatherings, festivals or rituals. Its downright unsettling!
This Trump guy hasn't gone to Bohemian Grove or all the other in crowd gatherings, festivals or rituals. Its downright unsettling!
Posted by: Deplorable Minion at March 06, 2025 12:32 PM (QSrLX)
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"The Fake News losers at CNN tried to fact check President Trump saying Biden spent $8 million on 'making mice transgender,' but President Trump was right (as usual)," the administration wrote on its official social media account.
Posted by: SMOD at March 06, 2025 12:32 PM (RHGPo)
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The origins of Marines fascinate me. Basically army that the Navy carries around in case they need to do something on land. Well, and control pressed sailors.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:25 PM (2VST1)
Hence the Navy's rule for what to do in a firefight... send the Marines.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:25 PM (2VST1)
Hence the Navy's rule for what to do in a firefight... send the Marines.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (ExV1e)
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107 Mexico will never pay those tariffs. American consumers will.
Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at March 06, 2025 12:31 PM (P7Iz+)
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Actually, we'll end up buying the same products from other countries. Tariff impacts on the American consumer will be minimal, at best.
Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at March 06, 2025 12:31 PM (P7Iz+)
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Actually, we'll end up buying the same products from other countries. Tariff impacts on the American consumer will be minimal, at best.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (GBKbO)
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77 I draw the line at Chinese managed tequila.
Tequila industry is already in deep shit, Mexico has a massive glut in their inventories and Zoomers in America aren't proving to be the alcoholics that previous generations of Americans were.
Demand for the vomit inducing spirit is plummeting.
https://tinyurl.com/yj755duz
Tequila industry is already in deep shit, Mexico has a massive glut in their inventories and Zoomers in America aren't proving to be the alcoholics that previous generations of Americans were.
Demand for the vomit inducing spirit is plummeting.
https://tinyurl.com/yj755duz
Posted by: Retarded American at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (48vyG)
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> I actually think tariffs are a MUCH better way for fedgov to get tax revenue than income tax.
Yes. Income tax fundamentally changes the relationship between government and citizens. As long as they see us as a source of income, they will do everything they can to maximize that income and control us as their cash cow.
Yes. Income tax fundamentally changes the relationship between government and citizens. As long as they see us as a source of income, they will do everything they can to maximize that income and control us as their cash cow.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (lIio7)
122
Trump delayed the frijole tax another month.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (U0o6X)
Posted by: Francis at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (bbuBP)
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Intuitive Machines is right now landing on the moon.
Washing machine sized capsule, testing for water at lunar south pole area. Won't have pics for a couple hours, if all goes well.
Washing machine sized capsule, testing for water at lunar south pole area. Won't have pics for a couple hours, if all goes well.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (Cus5s)
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"But we might lose some power, and for that we will cut the heads off babies."
-the Cartels
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM (GBKbO)
Which cartels, the ones designated as terrorists or the other ones?
-the Cartels
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM (GBKbO)
Which cartels, the ones designated as terrorists or the other ones?
Posted by: Kindltot at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (D7oie)
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Has anyone seen the Dems "pick your fighter" post oh my lord. Serious cringe. I don't have x so I can't search it and post it.
Posted by: BruceWayne at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (MGB5H)
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I’ll just say it, the tariff thing is being handled stupidly. So Canada has higher tariffs than China? Why not squeeze China first?
Because Canada squeals louder and more noticably to newspapers than China. The purpose of the tariffs is not revenue, its leverage, to get countries to back off theirs. The US is basically the world's sugar daddy and our own people are suffering as the result. Getting a loud, noticeable tariff war going is a warning to everyone else. Take heed, lower your rates as we are askig politely or you get this, too.
Because Canada squeals louder and more noticably to newspapers than China. The purpose of the tariffs is not revenue, its leverage, to get countries to back off theirs. The US is basically the world's sugar daddy and our own people are suffering as the result. Getting a loud, noticeable tariff war going is a warning to everyone else. Take heed, lower your rates as we are askig politely or you get this, too.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (2VST1)
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (oa1NA)
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Trump delayed the frijole tax another month.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (U0o6X)
Avocados for everyone!
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (U0o6X)
Avocados for everyone!
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 06, 2025 12:34 PM (i24o9)
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These particular tariffs are not hard to understand. Trump wants their help in stopping illegal immigration and the flow of narcotics. Do it and the tariffs are lifted. Do it not and Trump will skull fuck you.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 06, 2025 12:34 PM (2UnvF)
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NYPost: Florida man claimed he would assassinate Trump, shoot missiles at New York during unhinged calls to 911 operators
Posted by: SMOD at March 06, 2025 12:34 PM (RHGPo)
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Tarrif and Tarrif! What is Tarrif?!
Posted by: Kara of the Eymorg looks at the headline at March 06, 2025 12:34 PM (jc0TO)
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81 Congress needs to pass massive tax cuts (including no taxes on tips/overtime) to offset any negative impact of tarriffs
Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM (V6W16)
I'm not sure why we'd assume there will be negative impacts from tariffs.
It could also turn out to be a massive boon for the American economy if the incentives align for companies to start manufacturing products in the US.
Or does cheap, flimsy, shittily made stuff from China at the expense of American jobs really sounds like it's a huge benefit to us?
Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM (V6W16)
I'm not sure why we'd assume there will be negative impacts from tariffs.
It could also turn out to be a massive boon for the American economy if the incentives align for companies to start manufacturing products in the US.
Or does cheap, flimsy, shittily made stuff from China at the expense of American jobs really sounds like it's a huge benefit to us?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 12:34 PM (uCjyK)
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Gomer Pyle, USMCA
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 06, 2025 12:34 PM (63Dwl)
135
So it looks like Tacos for lunch!
Posted by: Diogenes at March 06, 2025 12:34 PM (W/lyH)
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Napoleon has just invaded Russia. Did he run out of Courvoisier?
Posted by: Deplorable Minion at March 06, 2025 12:34 PM (QSrLX)
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89 Heh,
There's a commercial on my Canadian tv station for "Products of Canada.' I've also seen commercials on FoxNews saying how wonderful we are.
That's probably easier than securing the border and giving up the Chinese kickbacks.
Kate at smalldeadanimals covers Chinese influence in Canada a lot. Big story on there now.
Posted by: Stateless...46% - mental state clawing up from 10% at March 06, 2025 12:29 PM (jvJvP)
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I noticed a growing number of sanctimonious videos popping up where some Canadian is in a grocery store showing shelf placement on American products being moved to shoe level. I kind of laughed at the time, because what the US is doing that Canada is not, is opening up new markets...such as Argentina (currently ironing out a new Free Trade agreement with the US). I might add that Argentina offers much of the same production Canada does...just saying.
There's a commercial on my Canadian tv station for "Products of Canada.' I've also seen commercials on FoxNews saying how wonderful we are.
That's probably easier than securing the border and giving up the Chinese kickbacks.
Kate at smalldeadanimals covers Chinese influence in Canada a lot. Big story on there now.
Posted by: Stateless...46% - mental state clawing up from 10% at March 06, 2025 12:29 PM (jvJvP)
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I noticed a growing number of sanctimonious videos popping up where some Canadian is in a grocery store showing shelf placement on American products being moved to shoe level. I kind of laughed at the time, because what the US is doing that Canada is not, is opening up new markets...such as Argentina (currently ironing out a new Free Trade agreement with the US). I might add that Argentina offers much of the same production Canada does...just saying.
Posted by: Orson at March 06, 2025 12:34 PM (dIske)
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NYPost: Florida man claimed he would assssinate Trump, shoot missiles at New York during unhinged calls to 911 operators
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Someone check DU for a missing poster.
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Someone check DU for a missing poster.
Posted by: ... at March 06, 2025 12:34 PM (Hpe9G)
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The Atlanta Fed tracker now predicts negative GDP growth for Q1 this year, the jobs report yesterday was abysmal, and inflation is rising. Trump's doing all this in exchange for nothing, don't give me this "negotiation", "leverage" bullshit.
Posted by: deepelemblues at March 06, 2025 12:26 PM (rgGVs)
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I'm old enough to remember Obama taking credit for Trump's "magic wand" economy between 2017 and 2020 [until the Deep State and Chy-na (BIRM) tried to destroy it with the bullshit covid PsyOps].
Try and cry harder ...
Posted by: deepelemblues at March 06, 2025 12:26 PM (rgGVs)
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I'm old enough to remember Obama taking credit for Trump's "magic wand" economy between 2017 and 2020 [until the Deep State and Chy-na (BIRM) tried to destroy it with the bullshit covid PsyOps].
Try and cry harder ...
Posted by: ShainS -- America is my favorite drama - I cancelled Amazon Prime at March 06, 2025 12:34 PM (/WWq9)
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Russia Calls President Macron Napoleon AND Hitler in Anger at Plan to Keep Supporting Ukraine
Posted by: SMOD at March 06, 2025 12:34 PM (RHGPo)
141
Candian tariffs on dairy work so that, below a certain import rate, there is no tariff. But above a certain level, huge tariffs kick in.
American manufactures only export X tons of dairy to Canada per year, to avoid the tariffs.
If these tariffs were removed, Canada fears Candian dairy farmers would go out of business. What would actually happen is American diary corporations would buy out all the farmers and it would become a joint U.S. Candian conglomerate, producing and exporting more to everyone.
American manufactures only export X tons of dairy to Canada per year, to avoid the tariffs.
If these tariffs were removed, Canada fears Candian dairy farmers would go out of business. What would actually happen is American diary corporations would buy out all the farmers and it would become a joint U.S. Candian conglomerate, producing and exporting more to everyone.
Posted by: El Mariachi at March 06, 2025 12:35 PM (nLFEI)
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Normally, in nearly every case, it's the the Plaintiff that bears the burden of proof. They must prove the harm. Or, for an injunction or restraining order, the high likelihood of harm.
And not mere speculation by listing a litany of horrors if the worst case happens--actual, concrete "this will happen."
And proof. Not allegations in pleadings.
Instead, every one, from the spending to the firing, has inverted that and grants the order by basically saying "the government hasn't proven the harm alleged by the Plaintiff will NOT happen."
Because they have all started from the assumption that the harms alleged by the plaintiff are true as plead.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
That is why those judges are abusing the TRO vehicle. If they did it correctly, they would have hearings, briefs, etc. to establish a record for a temporary and permanent injunctions . This process creates the necessary factual and legal framework used by the judge to issue the injunction so that higher courts can review it.
And not mere speculation by listing a litany of horrors if the worst case happens--actual, concrete "this will happen."
And proof. Not allegations in pleadings.
Instead, every one, from the spending to the firing, has inverted that and grants the order by basically saying "the government hasn't proven the harm alleged by the Plaintiff will NOT happen."
Because they have all started from the assumption that the harms alleged by the plaintiff are true as plead.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
That is why those judges are abusing the TRO vehicle. If they did it correctly, they would have hearings, briefs, etc. to establish a record for a temporary and permanent injunctions . This process creates the necessary factual and legal framework used by the judge to issue the injunction so that higher courts can review it.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:35 PM (ctrM5)
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The Atlanta Fed tracker now predicts negative GDP growth for Q1 this year, the jobs report yesterday was abysmal, and inflation is rising. Trump's doing all this in exchange for nothing, don't give me this "negotiation", "leverage" bullshit.
Are you, perchance, in upper management? Your statement reflects a certain level of "just worry about the next quarterly report" type thinking.
Are you, perchance, in upper management? Your statement reflects a certain level of "just worry about the next quarterly report" type thinking.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:35 PM (ExV1e)
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All Scheinbaum has to do is not be Zelenskyyyy… don’t be a Zelenskyyyy…..
Posted by: tubal at March 06, 2025 12:35 PM (PCK5/)
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I’m all for tariffs, especially leveraging it to get foreign policy objectives like making Mexico secure its border
But Trump did win because of inflation. And if consumers see giant price increases suddenly , that’s not going to go well. Especially since the positive effects of protectionism take a rally long time to see
But Trump did win because of inflation. And if consumers see giant price increases suddenly , that’s not going to go well. Especially since the positive effects of protectionism take a rally long time to see
Posted by: Maroon at March 06, 2025 12:35 PM (PGboh)
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Sheinbaum is the President of Mexico?
This sounds suspiciously like the first part of Adam Carolla's plan to give Baja to the Jews and get them out of that shitty neighborhood they're in currently.
This sounds suspiciously like the first part of Adam Carolla's plan to give Baja to the Jews and get them out of that shitty neighborhood they're in currently.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 06, 2025 12:35 PM (Cw7cn)
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Any chance that China is more passed about the 25% tarrifs affecting their investments in Mexico rather than the 10% tarrifs directly on China?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 06, 2025 12:35 PM (shH1w)
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This pause is not a problem, is it?? Might be a nice negotiating tool
Yeah I think that is what is going on. There are things going on behind the scenes, and this is part of them. But who knows maybe Trump just got a wild hair and decided to change his mind, I can't tell from here.
Yeah I think that is what is going on. There are things going on behind the scenes, and this is part of them. But who knows maybe Trump just got a wild hair and decided to change his mind, I can't tell from here.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:35 PM (2VST1)
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The origins of Marines fascinate me. Basically army that the Navy carries around in case they need to do something on land. Well, and control pressed sailors.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:25 PM (2VST1)
Hence the Navy's rule for what to do in a firefight... send the Marines.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (ExV1e)
Different skill sets, typically, for good reason.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:25 PM (2VST1)
Hence the Navy's rule for what to do in a firefight... send the Marines.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (ExV1e)
Different skill sets, typically, for good reason.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 06, 2025 12:35 PM (i24o9)
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#Walkaway’s Social Media Director says they got a wave of inquiries to join the day after Trump’s SotU address.
https://tinyurl.com/nj63sffs
https://tinyurl.com/nj63sffs
Posted by: kallisto at March 06, 2025 12:36 PM (E70Gb)
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don't give me this "negotiation", "leverage" bullshit.
Posted by: deepelemblues at March 06, 2025 12:26 PM (rgGVs)
It's negotiation and leverage.
Posted by: deepelemblues at March 06, 2025 12:26 PM (rgGVs)
It's negotiation and leverage.
Posted by: ... at March 06, 2025 12:36 PM (Hpe9G)
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Which cartels, the ones designated as terrorists or the other ones?
Posted by: Kindltot at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM
*shifty eyes*
Posted by: Kindltot at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM
*shifty eyes*
Posted by: The PRI and PAN at March 06, 2025 12:36 PM (jc0TO)
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120 Tequila industry is already in deep shit
Posted by: Retarded American
So's the Bourbon business, and craft brew around here has weekly closings.
The potheads are the problem.
Posted by: Retarded American
So's the Bourbon business, and craft brew around here has weekly closings.
The potheads are the problem.
Posted by: Auspex at March 06, 2025 12:36 PM (j4U/Z)
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> I think he doesn't want to maintain them but he's very fine with them as leverage, as a negotiating tool.
Reciprocal tariffs are genius and easy as hell to maintain. You want your goods sold in the US at reasonable prices? Lower your tariffs on us. If not, you can't sell here without a big stumbling block in your way.
Far too many countries have been getting a free ride in far too many ways. Everyone wants to sell here. Nobody wants our goods in their countries. Reciprocal tariffs are fair, easy to understand, easy to maintain, and rids us of this massive imbalance our markets have been operating under for decades.
Reciprocal tariffs are genius and easy as hell to maintain. You want your goods sold in the US at reasonable prices? Lower your tariffs on us. If not, you can't sell here without a big stumbling block in your way.
Far too many countries have been getting a free ride in far too many ways. Everyone wants to sell here. Nobody wants our goods in their countries. Reciprocal tariffs are fair, easy to understand, easy to maintain, and rids us of this massive imbalance our markets have been operating under for decades.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 06, 2025 12:36 PM (lIio7)
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I draw the line at Chinese managed tequila.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 06, 2025 12:27 PM (fJiXH)
Too much melamine.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 06, 2025 12:27 PM (fJiXH)
Too much melamine.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:36 PM (ExV1e)
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The Truflation index is showing a sharp drop in inflation right now:
https://x.com/decayed_diorite/status/
1897676567536382103
https://x.com/decayed_diorite/status/
1897676567536382103
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:36 PM (GBKbO)
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"An accommodation". OK.
Posted by: runner at March 06, 2025 12:37 PM (g47mK)
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Based on the government’s own data, we spend twice as much on welfare as it would take to move every family in America above the poverty line. In other words, if we just gave these families enough cash to increase their income, no one would be in poverty.Yet we spend twice that much and STILL have 36.8 million people who live in poverty.
US longest war .. 50+ years .. War on Poverty
US longest war .. 50+ years .. War on Poverty
Posted by: SMOD at March 06, 2025 12:37 PM (RHGPo)
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Because everyting went so well the last time the cheese eating surrender monkeys invaded Russia.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 06, 2025 12:37 PM (U0o6X)
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126 Has anyone seen the Dems "pick your fighter" post oh my lord. Serious cringe. I don't have x so I can't search it and post it.
Posted by: BruceWayne
Here you go!
https://tinyurl.com/ya223p9f
126 Has anyone seen the Dems "pick your fighter" post oh my lord. Serious cringe. I don't have x so I can't search it and post it.
Posted by: BruceWayne
Here you go!
https://tinyurl.com/ya223p9f
Posted by: Piper at March 06, 2025 12:37 PM (pZEOD)
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But Trump did win because of inflation. And if consumers see giant price increases suddenly , that’s not going to go well.
It is inevitable that the debt will rise slightly and inflation will go up a little, in the short term and yes it will suck. It might even affect the midterms. The same thing happened under Reagan, and it hurt him until things turned around and it was Morning in America and he won by every state but Minnesota.
It is inevitable that the debt will rise slightly and inflation will go up a little, in the short term and yes it will suck. It might even affect the midterms. The same thing happened under Reagan, and it hurt him until things turned around and it was Morning in America and he won by every state but Minnesota.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:37 PM (2VST1)
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The markets have been jittery, but it's probably not more than 50% tariff- and Ukraine-related. There are things to keep in mind about the modern markets:
1. People are stupid and emotional and tend to over-react to both good and bad news.
2. Many pro traders get paid by the trade, or want to show lots of trades to their clients to justify their existence. So many trades are made not so much because they're good trades, but just to show something.
3. Many pro traders and analysts are Jim Cramer-like idiots who should be ignored.
4. There are downturns and corrections in even the strongest bull markets.
5. Chillax, it's only money!
1. People are stupid and emotional and tend to over-react to both good and bad news.
2. Many pro traders get paid by the trade, or want to show lots of trades to their clients to justify their existence. So many trades are made not so much because they're good trades, but just to show something.
3. Many pro traders and analysts are Jim Cramer-like idiots who should be ignored.
4. There are downturns and corrections in even the strongest bull markets.
5. Chillax, it's only money!
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 06, 2025 12:37 PM (iFTx/)
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https://x.com/decayed_diorite/status/
1897676567536382103
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:36 PM (GBKbO)
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But, what about the price of eggs!
/npc's everywhere
1897676567536382103
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:36 PM (GBKbO)
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But, what about the price of eggs!
/npc's everywhere
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (tT6L1)
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#Walkaway continues apace
Posted by: kallisto at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (E70Gb)
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Washing machine sized capsule, testing for water at lunar south pole area. Won't have pics for a couple hours, if all goes well.
Posted by: illiniwek
Will it wash clothes if it finds water?
Washing machine sized capsule, testing for water at lunar south pole area. Won't have pics for a couple hours, if all goes well.
Posted by: illiniwek
Will it wash clothes if it finds water?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (63Dwl)
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Here you go!
https://tinyurl.com/ya223p9f
Posted by: Piper at March 06, 2025 12:37 PM (pZEOD)
Thanks piper! Now I can share it with peeps
https://tinyurl.com/ya223p9f
Posted by: Piper at March 06, 2025 12:37 PM (pZEOD)
Thanks piper! Now I can share it with peeps
Posted by: BruceWayne at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (MGB5H)
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163 But, what about the price of eggs!
/npc's everywhere
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (tT6L1)
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Let the chickens live, and the prices will come down.
I mean...we don't import many eggs, do we?
/npc's everywhere
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (tT6L1)
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Let the chickens live, and the prices will come down.
I mean...we don't import many eggs, do we?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (GBKbO)
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Consider that injunctions and restraining orders are Constitutionally suspect and well inside a grey area:
Because they grant relief to a party before adjudicating the matter on the merits.
So it's always been a very high bar required to grant those, mindful of the potential for equal and opposite harm to the non-moving party if the injunction or restraining order was not justified.
And all these judges are like "fuck all that--if the People lose billions to fraud, if their President is sabotaged by insubordinate employees, tough shit."
Because they grant relief to a party before adjudicating the matter on the merits.
So it's always been a very high bar required to grant those, mindful of the potential for equal and opposite harm to the non-moving party if the injunction or restraining order was not justified.
And all these judges are like "fuck all that--if the People lose billions to fraud, if their President is sabotaged by insubordinate employees, tough shit."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (uLKZx)
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I still want Letters of Marque and Reprisal getting issued to help deal with the cartel problem.
Posted by: NR Pax at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (svLOV)
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>>The Truflation index is showing a sharp drop in inflation right now:
Then it is a good thing we have an 'independent agency' to rely on for OUR numbers!
Then it is a good thing we have an 'independent agency' to rely on for OUR numbers!
Posted by: Deep State at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (oa1NA)
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Yes. Income tax fundamentally changes the relationship between government and citizens. As long as they see us as a source of income, they will do everything they can to maximize that income and control us as their cash cow.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (lIio7)
I first saw this clearly stated by Datarepublican's twitter, and it was like I got hit with the info on business cycles all over again.
I think this is a fundamental bit of information, and incredibly important for understanding the changes that have been going on between the government and the people it either represents or rules over for the last 150 years
Posted by: bonhomme at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (lIio7)
I first saw this clearly stated by Datarepublican's twitter, and it was like I got hit with the info on business cycles all over again.
I think this is a fundamental bit of information, and incredibly important for understanding the changes that have been going on between the government and the people it either represents or rules over for the last 150 years
Posted by: Kindltot at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (D7oie)
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Florida man is up to it again.
Florida man claimed he was going to assassinate Trump and shoot missiles at New York, cops say
. . . .
In a series of calls to 911 operators and later police investigating, Blaxton made a variety of wild claims, allegedly saying, “I need a ride to the airport to be taken to The White House so I can assassinate the president,” according to audio released by police.
“I’m about to launch f***ing missiles to destroy New York,” he said elsewhere. “I’m a Confederate Soldier and I’m getting revenge.”
https://is.gd/aI5vL0
Florida man claimed he was going to assassinate Trump and shoot missiles at New York, cops say
. . . .
In a series of calls to 911 operators and later police investigating, Blaxton made a variety of wild claims, allegedly saying, “I need a ride to the airport to be taken to The White House so I can assassinate the president,” according to audio released by police.
“I’m about to launch f***ing missiles to destroy New York,” he said elsewhere. “I’m a Confederate Soldier and I’m getting revenge.”
https://is.gd/aI5vL0
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (L/fGl)
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80 65 The origins of Marines fascinate me. Basically army that the Navy carries around in case they need to do something on land. Well, and control pressed sailors.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:25 PM (2VST1)
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The Barbary Pirates made the cardinal mistake of fucking with America's boats so we put together a fighting force of men to go give them the FO part of the FA/FO paradigm.
Posted by: ballistic at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM (Sa0bK)
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AND...they were started n a tavern.
We of the Senior Service tip our hats!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:25 PM (2VST1)
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The Barbary Pirates made the cardinal mistake of fucking with America's boats so we put together a fighting force of men to go give them the FO part of the FA/FO paradigm.
Posted by: ballistic at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM (Sa0bK)
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AND...they were started n a tavern.
We of the Senior Service tip our hats!
Posted by: Diogenes at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (W/lyH)
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107 Mexico will never pay those tariffs. American consumers will.
Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at March 06, 2025 12:31 PM (P7Iz+)
That's true in the same way that "corporations don't pay taxes, their customers do".
Yes, it's true. Ultimately all taxes are paid by the consumer. $100 toll for an 18-wheeler to cross the George Washington bridge is paid for by the guy in Connecticut buying groceries from a store that paid the truck to bring the shit there.
So knowing that that is true, does it make more sense to tax consumers income for revenue? Or to tax categories of imports for that revenue? Knowing one side effect of the tariffs will be that more people will produce and buy domestically, which is not a bad side effect at all.
(I'm not saying we can replace the income tax with tariffs, but maybe some day.)
Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at March 06, 2025 12:31 PM (P7Iz+)
That's true in the same way that "corporations don't pay taxes, their customers do".
Yes, it's true. Ultimately all taxes are paid by the consumer. $100 toll for an 18-wheeler to cross the George Washington bridge is paid for by the guy in Connecticut buying groceries from a store that paid the truck to bring the shit there.
So knowing that that is true, does it make more sense to tax consumers income for revenue? Or to tax categories of imports for that revenue? Knowing one side effect of the tariffs will be that more people will produce and buy domestically, which is not a bad side effect at all.
(I'm not saying we can replace the income tax with tariffs, but maybe some day.)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (uCjyK)
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"But we might lose some power, and for that we will cut the heads off babies."
-the Cartels
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM (GBKbO)
Here's a satellite photo of your leader's house. -- President Trump
-the Cartels
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:28 PM (GBKbO)
Here's a satellite photo of your leader's house. -- President Trump
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:39 PM (ExV1e)
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Has anyone seen the Dems "pick your fighter" post oh my lord. Serious cringe. I don't have x so I can't search it and post it.
Yeah its... hilarious and cringy. Imagine being told you are going to be a part of this. Ok wiggle in place like characters in a video game. Hold up your fists! OOh you are so bad girl!
Yeah its... hilarious and cringy. Imagine being told you are going to be a part of this. Ok wiggle in place like characters in a video game. Hold up your fists! OOh you are so bad girl!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:39 PM (2VST1)
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145 I’m all for tariffs, especially leveraging it to get foreign policy objectives like making Mexico secure its border
But Trump did win because of inflation. And if consumers see giant price increases suddenly , that’s not going to go well. Especially since the positive effects of protectionism take a rally long time to see
Posted by: Maroon at March 06, 2025 12:35 PM (PGboh)
We're not likely to see very noticeable price changes related to tariffs. The actual research on tariff impact on inflation is mixed.
If we had continued strong inflation, tariffs might get blamed, but if we see any meaningful pullbacks or limitations on the trajectory of government spending then inflation will be lower than expected.
But Trump did win because of inflation. And if consumers see giant price increases suddenly , that’s not going to go well. Especially since the positive effects of protectionism take a rally long time to see
Posted by: Maroon at March 06, 2025 12:35 PM (PGboh)
We're not likely to see very noticeable price changes related to tariffs. The actual research on tariff impact on inflation is mixed.
If we had continued strong inflation, tariffs might get blamed, but if we see any meaningful pullbacks or limitations on the trajectory of government spending then inflation will be lower than expected.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at March 06, 2025 12:39 PM (eYoxG)
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Inflation is actually slowing. Other than that, everything seems to be happening this way.
Cutting government spending and exporting a population are going to have negative impacts on the economic numbers for a short while.
But it's a healthy blood letting.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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As a person who was formally trained as an economist, GDP is NOT a good measure of economic health and Keynes was and shall be considered an ASS for his idiotic statements that all public spending is 'good'. His example was government hiring people to dig and then fill up holes.
"The government should pay people to dig holes in the ground and then fill them up."
People would reply. "that's stupid, why not pay people to build roads and schools"
Keynes would respond saying "Fine, pay them to build schools. The point is it doesn't matter what they do as long as the government is creating jobs". That is the problem with concentrating on GDP to the exclusion of general welfare of the US citizens. The GDP index is a partial heuristic of economic reality. Not reality itself.
Cutting government spending and exporting a population are going to have negative impacts on the economic numbers for a short while.
But it's a healthy blood letting.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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As a person who was formally trained as an economist, GDP is NOT a good measure of economic health and Keynes was and shall be considered an ASS for his idiotic statements that all public spending is 'good'. His example was government hiring people to dig and then fill up holes.
"The government should pay people to dig holes in the ground and then fill them up."
People would reply. "that's stupid, why not pay people to build roads and schools"
Keynes would respond saying "Fine, pay them to build schools. The point is it doesn't matter what they do as long as the government is creating jobs". That is the problem with concentrating on GDP to the exclusion of general welfare of the US citizens. The GDP index is a partial heuristic of economic reality. Not reality itself.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:39 PM (ctrM5)
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96 Chip Roy holds press conference promoting the Safe Elections Act:
https://tinyurl.com/y28758s3
Surrounded by a posse of Patriots of Color
Posted by: kallisto at March 06, 2025 12:29 PM (E70Gb)
Not complicated
https://tinyurl.com/y28758s3
Surrounded by a posse of Patriots of Color
Posted by: kallisto at March 06, 2025 12:29 PM (E70Gb)
Not complicated
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 06, 2025 12:40 PM (x5Jut)
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I still want Letters of Marque and Reprisal getting issued to help deal with the cartel problem.
Posted by: NR Pax at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (svLOV)
Either that or we go back to the Border Reivers system.
Posted by: NR Pax at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (svLOV)
Either that or we go back to the Border Reivers system.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 06, 2025 12:40 PM (D7oie)
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>>Income tax fundamentally changes the relationship between government and citizens. As long as they see us as a source of income, they will do everything they can to maximize that income and control us as their cash cow.
Under the current system Taxation is a means of punishment and coercion.
Under the current system Taxation is a means of punishment and coercion.
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:40 PM (oa1NA)
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Yeah its... hilarious and cringy. Imagine being told you are going to be a part of this. Ok wiggle in place like characters in a video game. Hold up your fists! OOh you are so bad girl!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:39 PM (2VST1)
I bet Anna Paulina Luna is a bad girl. And needs correcting.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:39 PM (2VST1)
I bet Anna Paulina Luna is a bad girl. And needs correcting.
Posted by: ... at March 06, 2025 12:41 PM (Hpe9G)
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So's the Bourbon business, and craft brew around here has weekly closings.
The potheads are the problem.
Posted by: Auspex at March 06, 2025 12:36 PM (j4U/Z)
Can't speak for where "around here" is, if it's Colorado or some other such openly legal pot state, that might be true.
I think the inevitable failure of craft breweries at large probably has more to do with people not wanting to pay $10 for a beer when they can go to the grocery store and pay $8 for a six pack of swill.
Holding your pinky out while drinking beer is a luxury afforded by affluence, not so much in a hyper inflationary society where people can't pay rent.
The potheads are the problem.
Posted by: Auspex at March 06, 2025 12:36 PM (j4U/Z)
Can't speak for where "around here" is, if it's Colorado or some other such openly legal pot state, that might be true.
I think the inevitable failure of craft breweries at large probably has more to do with people not wanting to pay $10 for a beer when they can go to the grocery store and pay $8 for a six pack of swill.
Holding your pinky out while drinking beer is a luxury afforded by affluence, not so much in a hyper inflationary society where people can't pay rent.
Posted by: Retarded American at March 06, 2025 12:41 PM (48vyG)
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Because they grant relief to a party before adjudicating the matter on the merits.
Yeah it seems a bit backward. You're providing the desired solution before even ruling on the case. But I guess the theory is its better to hold things without change before making an official decision?
Yeah it seems a bit backward. You're providing the desired solution before even ruling on the case. But I guess the theory is its better to hold things without change before making an official decision?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:41 PM (2VST1)
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California payed for the weakness of the GOP. Trump is finally doing what has been promised for almost 40 years.
Posted by: The Mewtwix at March 06, 2025 12:41 PM (l5yVc)
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I like President Trump, but it wouldn't break my heart if he was to give up this whole tariff thing - except when strategically warranted. I get the logic behind it, but it is unnecessarily freaking out the markets.
I feel like that mostly means the markets contain a lot of people who just pay sticker price for a new car without any questions. This tariff stuff is basic negotiation leverage.
Or in Three Year Letterman-ese, they all financed their waterbeds.
I feel like that mostly means the markets contain a lot of people who just pay sticker price for a new car without any questions. This tariff stuff is basic negotiation leverage.
Or in Three Year Letterman-ese, they all financed their waterbeds.
Posted by: Ian S. at March 06, 2025 12:41 PM (2ocoG)
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I’ll just say it, the tariff thing is being handled stupidly.
Have you considered running for office?
Have you considered running for office?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:41 PM (ExV1e)
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178 People would reply. "that's stupid, why not pay people to build roads and schools"
Keynes would respond saying "Fine, pay them to build schools. The point is it doesn't matter what they do as long as the government is creating jobs". That is the problem with concentrating on GDP to the exclusion of general welfare of the US citizens. The GDP index is a partial heuristic of economic reality. Not reality itself.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:39 PM (ctrM5)
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I agree with all that.
I would just like to add that I don't think the American people's perception of the economy is at all tied to government numbers.
They know if they can pay their bills. They know if their neighbors are having trouble finding work. That's what drives the perception.
So, 3-6 months of negative economic numbers as reporting returns to normal don't faze me. It should happen because what we're cutting is not productive on the whole.
Keynes would respond saying "Fine, pay them to build schools. The point is it doesn't matter what they do as long as the government is creating jobs". That is the problem with concentrating on GDP to the exclusion of general welfare of the US citizens. The GDP index is a partial heuristic of economic reality. Not reality itself.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:39 PM (ctrM5)
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I agree with all that.
I would just like to add that I don't think the American people's perception of the economy is at all tied to government numbers.
They know if they can pay their bills. They know if their neighbors are having trouble finding work. That's what drives the perception.
So, 3-6 months of negative economic numbers as reporting returns to normal don't faze me. It should happen because what we're cutting is not productive on the whole.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:42 PM (GBKbO)
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The Barbary Pirates made the cardinal mistake of fucking with America's boats
Even back then, we had an Islamic terrorist problem.
Even back then, we had an Islamic terrorist problem.
Posted by: NR Pax at March 06, 2025 12:42 PM (svLOV)
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AND...they were started n a tavern.
We of the Senior Service tip our hats!
Posted by: Diogenes at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (W/lyH)
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Yes, that was the original hold my beer moment
We of the Senior Service tip our hats!
Posted by: Diogenes at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (W/lyH)
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Yes, that was the original hold my beer moment
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 06, 2025 12:42 PM (2UnvF)
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UC-Davis eliminating men and women locker rooms. All to be "all-sex". Insanity continues apace.
Posted by: BruceWayne at March 06, 2025 12:42 PM (MGB5H)
Posted by: FeatherBlade at March 06, 2025 12:42 PM (hB7mE)
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I do not think it is possible for the US government, even at constitutional levels, to function using only tariffs for revenue.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:42 PM (2VST1)
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But Trump did win because of inflation. And if consumers see giant price increases suddenly , that’s not going to go well. Especially since the positive effects of protectionism take a rally long time to see
Posted by: Maroon at March 06, 2025 12:35 PM (PGboh)
We're not likely to see very noticeable price changes related to tariffs. The actual research on tariff impact on inflation is mixed.
If we had continued strong inflation, tariffs might get blamed, but if we see any meaningful pullbacks or limitations on the trajectory of government spending then inflation will be lower than expected.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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RTS has issued an excellent summary here. One thing to always remember about tariffs is a) the substitution effect, and b) discretionary versus required spending by individuals. A new TV or computer going up in price does not have the same impact to the country as the price of energy going up. One can use various ways to avoid paying the tariff on electronics by not buying or buying a used one but not so much on energy prices.
Posted by: Maroon at March 06, 2025 12:35 PM (PGboh)
We're not likely to see very noticeable price changes related to tariffs. The actual research on tariff impact on inflation is mixed.
If we had continued strong inflation, tariffs might get blamed, but if we see any meaningful pullbacks or limitations on the trajectory of government spending then inflation will be lower than expected.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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RTS has issued an excellent summary here. One thing to always remember about tariffs is a) the substitution effect, and b) discretionary versus required spending by individuals. A new TV or computer going up in price does not have the same impact to the country as the price of energy going up. One can use various ways to avoid paying the tariff on electronics by not buying or buying a used one but not so much on energy prices.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:43 PM (ctrM5)
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The choose your fighter thing…these are people stuck in high school, developmentally…
Posted by: tubal at March 06, 2025 12:43 PM (PCK5/)
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193 I do not think it is possible for the US government, even at constitutional levels, to function using only tariffs for revenue.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:42 PM (2VST1)
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We need an accurate view of what they actually spend to keep the lights on and perform valid transfer payments before we can make that kind of assertion.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:42 PM (2VST1)
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We need an accurate view of what they actually spend to keep the lights on and perform valid transfer payments before we can make that kind of assertion.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:43 PM (GBKbO)
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193 I do not think it is possible for the US government, even at constitutional levels, to function using only tariffs for revenue.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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It probably is if you accept a limited constitutional government and you have reciprocal trading agreements.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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It probably is if you accept a limited constitutional government and you have reciprocal trading agreements.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:44 PM (ctrM5)
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I would just like to add that I don't think the American people's perception of the economy is at all tied to government numbers.
I agree. Very few regular people know what the inflation rate or unemployment is. But they know diapers and eggs and milk cost more. They know gas costs more. They don't know why, they just want it to stop.
I agree. Very few regular people know what the inflation rate or unemployment is. But they know diapers and eggs and milk cost more. They know gas costs more. They don't know why, they just want it to stop.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:44 PM (2VST1)
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But it's a healthy blood letting.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:32 PM (GBKbO)
I'm a bit concerned that your hair is insufficiently ablaze, sirrah.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:32 PM (GBKbO)
I'm a bit concerned that your hair is insufficiently ablaze, sirrah.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:44 PM (ExV1e)
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But what about all the alcoholic Canadians who depend upon American bourbon?
Will they be forced to drink Canadian Club eh? It's just a blended whisky!
But what about all the alcoholic Canadians who depend upon American bourbon?
Will they be forced to drink Canadian Club eh? It's just a blended whisky!
Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at March 06, 2025 12:45 PM (et1vG)
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Now I see. He’s setting up new trade negotiations for when the governing agree expires next month. Why have NONE of our brilliant news readers realized this?
Posted by: BigG at March 06, 2025 12:45 PM (9tuKL)
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199 But it's a healthy blood letting.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:32 PM (GBKbO)
I'm a bit concerned that your hair is insufficiently ablaze, sirrah.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:44 PM (ExV1e)
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I didn't even get my hair close to the lighter fluid yesterday.
It's a failing on my part, I know.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:32 PM (GBKbO)
I'm a bit concerned that your hair is insufficiently ablaze, sirrah.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:44 PM (ExV1e)
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I didn't even get my hair close to the lighter fluid yesterday.
It's a failing on my part, I know.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:45 PM (GBKbO)
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We need an accurate view of what they actually spend to keep the lights on and perform valid transfer payments before we can make that kind of assertion.
Yeah I am just guessing based on the military budget and salaries of government employees. Now we can get the budget down, but good luck cutting or freezing pay.
Yeah I am just guessing based on the military budget and salaries of government employees. Now we can get the budget down, but good luck cutting or freezing pay.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:45 PM (2VST1)
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don't give me this "negotiation", "leverage" bullshit.
Posted by: deepelemblues at March 06, 2025 12:26 PM (rgGVs)
It's negotiation and leverage. I see you've never owned a business.
Posted by: deepelemblues at March 06, 2025 12:26 PM (rgGVs)
It's negotiation and leverage. I see you've never owned a business.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at March 06, 2025 12:45 PM (g8Ew8)
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>>I do not think it is possible for the US government, even at constitutional levels, to function using only tariffs for revenue.
I suggest they look into charging Royalties for Any/All Individuals deriving income while using Titles of State.
If President Barack Obama makes a speech for 500k...we should get $495k of that in Royalties.
I suggest they look into charging Royalties for Any/All Individuals deriving income while using Titles of State.
If President Barack Obama makes a speech for 500k...we should get $495k of that in Royalties.
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:46 PM (oa1NA)
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Yes. Income tax fundamentally changes the relationship between government and citizens. As long as they see us as a source of income, they will do everything they can to maximize that income and control us as their cash cow.
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Tariffs are as close to a fair tax as possible.
It's a tax between equals--nations.
A nation can match the tariff. Sell or not sell.
Income taxes are the most unfair.
Not just the massive power imbalance between the state and citizen.
But also the offense of taking your very means of survival--your compensation for your work.
A nation that disagrees with the tariff of another nation can still sell it's goods to other nations.
A citizen that disagrees with the income tax imposed upon him can't sell his labor to another--he goes to jail.
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Tariffs are as close to a fair tax as possible.
It's a tax between equals--nations.
A nation can match the tariff. Sell or not sell.
Income taxes are the most unfair.
Not just the massive power imbalance between the state and citizen.
But also the offense of taking your very means of survival--your compensation for your work.
A nation that disagrees with the tariff of another nation can still sell it's goods to other nations.
A citizen that disagrees with the income tax imposed upon him can't sell his labor to another--he goes to jail.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 06, 2025 12:46 PM (uLKZx)
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Maxine Waters Suggests Elon Musk Hacked The Election In Hilarious Rant
Posted by: SMOD at March 06, 2025 12:46 PM (RHGPo)
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Gee, the phrase, "arbitrary and capricious" comes into mind.
Gee, the phrase, "arbitrary and capricious" comes into mind.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Enstompen! Enstompen! Enstompen! at March 06, 2025 12:46 PM (xG4kz)
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I do not think it is possible for the US government, even at constitutional levels, to function using only tariffs for revenue.
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This would be totally valid if money was real.
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This would be totally valid if money was real.
Posted by: ... at March 06, 2025 12:46 PM (Hpe9G)
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I am reminded of the university firing scene in Ghostbusters..."the private sector expects results".
Posted by: Francis at March 06, 2025 12:47 PM (bbuBP)
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I think the inevitable failure of craft breweries at large probably has more to do with people not wanting to pay $10 for a beer when they can go to the grocery store and pay $8 for a six pack of swill.
That, and the over-abundance of shitty IPAs that taste like ass to everyone except the flat-hat and neckbeard crowd.
But as I've gotten older, my tastes have changes. I rarely drink beer anymore. Now it's bourbon and red wine. Unless I'm sitting in the pool and I proudly drink my Miller High Life swill. It was good in my twenties, and it's still good in my fifties.
That, and the over-abundance of shitty IPAs that taste like ass to everyone except the flat-hat and neckbeard crowd.
But as I've gotten older, my tastes have changes. I rarely drink beer anymore. Now it's bourbon and red wine. Unless I'm sitting in the pool and I proudly drink my Miller High Life swill. It was good in my twenties, and it's still good in my fifties.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 06, 2025 12:47 PM (Cw7cn)
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107 Mexico will never pay those tariffs. American consumers will.
Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at March 06, 2025 12:31 PM (P7Iz+)
Exclusive: Honda to produce next Civic in Indiana, not Mexico, due to US tariffs, sources say
By Maki Shiraki
March 3, 202511:12 AM ESTUpdated 3 days ago
https://tinyurl.com/4epyhfc9
Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at March 06, 2025 12:31 PM (P7Iz+)
Exclusive: Honda to produce next Civic in Indiana, not Mexico, due to US tariffs, sources say
By Maki Shiraki
March 3, 202511:12 AM ESTUpdated 3 days ago
https://tinyurl.com/4epyhfc9
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 06, 2025 12:47 PM (x5Jut)
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124 Intuitive Machines is right now landing on the moon.
Washing machine sized capsule, testing for water at lunar south pole area. Won't have pics for a couple hours, if all goes well.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (Cus5s)
Is this the one that tipped over last time?
Washing machine sized capsule, testing for water at lunar south pole area. Won't have pics for a couple hours, if all goes well.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (Cus5s)
Is this the one that tipped over last time?
Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at March 06, 2025 12:47 PM (V6W16)
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They know if they can pay their bills. They know if their neighbors are having trouble finding work. That's what drives the perception.
So, 3-6 months of negative economic numbers as reporting returns to normal don't faze me. It should happen because what we're cutting is not productive on the whole.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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You are wise. I had to do a whole research project to come to the same conclusion. Topic was economic voting for sub national races--found that local level unemployment and prices matter far more for incumbent retention in sub national races than GDP, etc. at the national level.
Basically people see and do according to their local economy that they can perceive rather than the national figures. I would imagine the investing class acts a bit differently but then again, they are a minority in every society.
So, 3-6 months of negative economic numbers as reporting returns to normal don't faze me. It should happen because what we're cutting is not productive on the whole.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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You are wise. I had to do a whole research project to come to the same conclusion. Topic was economic voting for sub national races--found that local level unemployment and prices matter far more for incumbent retention in sub national races than GDP, etc. at the national level.
Basically people see and do according to their local economy that they can perceive rather than the national figures. I would imagine the investing class acts a bit differently but then again, they are a minority in every society.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:47 PM (ctrM5)
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214 Basically people see and do according to their local economy that they can perceive rather than the national figures. I would imagine the investing class acts a bit differently but then again, they are a minority in every society.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:47 PM (ctrM5)
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Which is why DC never thinks the economy is bad.
Because it's never bad in DC.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:47 PM (ctrM5)
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Which is why DC never thinks the economy is bad.
Because it's never bad in DC.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:48 PM (GBKbO)
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Tequila industry is already in deep shit, Mexico has a massive glut in their inventories and Zoomers in America aren't proving to be the alcoholics that previous generations of Americans were.
Preference for different types of alcohol are cyclical. Currently, whisk(e)y seems to be ascendant. Add to that the facts that good tequila is expensive, cheap tequila is shit, and there are a lot of new US distilleries, you get a decline in demand.
Preference for different types of alcohol are cyclical. Currently, whisk(e)y seems to be ascendant. Add to that the facts that good tequila is expensive, cheap tequila is shit, and there are a lot of new US distilleries, you get a decline in demand.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:48 PM (ExV1e)
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183 Holding your pinky out while drinking beer is a luxury afforded by affluence, not so much in a hyper inflationary society where people can't pay rent.
Posted by: Retarded American
True, and to the point, a pre-rolled $4 joint can be pinch toked for a week, where a $5 IPA draft has to be consumed at once.
I'd rather drink beer, aristocrat that I am.
Posted by: Retarded American
True, and to the point, a pre-rolled $4 joint can be pinch toked for a week, where a $5 IPA draft has to be consumed at once.
I'd rather drink beer, aristocrat that I am.
Posted by: Auspex at March 06, 2025 12:49 PM (j4U/Z)
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I suggest they look into charging Royalties for Any/All Individuals deriving income while using Titles of State.
That isn't a bad idea, really.
Because it's never bad in DC.
Heh heh it is now. They are facing significant unemployment for one thing.
That isn't a bad idea, really.
Because it's never bad in DC.
Heh heh it is now. They are facing significant unemployment for one thing.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:49 PM (2VST1)
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A nation that disagrees with the tariff of another nation can still sell it's goods to other nations.
A citizen that disagrees with the income tax imposed upon him can't sell his labor to another--he goes to jail.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
You make a good point regarding that liberty concept that escapes almost all economists. Tariffs (or other consumption taxes) give a person the choice to spend and pay the tax or avoid it. Income tax requires legal jeopardy to avoid and is a threat to liberty. You tax labor, you get less of it.
A citizen that disagrees with the income tax imposed upon him can't sell his labor to another--he goes to jail.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
You make a good point regarding that liberty concept that escapes almost all economists. Tariffs (or other consumption taxes) give a person the choice to spend and pay the tax or avoid it. Income tax requires legal jeopardy to avoid and is a threat to liberty. You tax labor, you get less of it.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:50 PM (ctrM5)
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>> Is this the one that tipped over last time?
This is the second one.
This thing has apparently landed. There was some signal loss (expected) there at the last. The lander was autonomous, and it appears to have landed, and they're getting oriented.
Pictures should soon follow.
This is the second one.
This thing has apparently landed. There was some signal loss (expected) there at the last. The lander was autonomous, and it appears to have landed, and they're getting oriented.
Pictures should soon follow.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at March 06, 2025 12:50 PM (w6EFb)
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Has anyone seen the Dems "pick your fighter" post oh my lord. Serious cringe. I don't have x so I can't search it and post it.
Posted by: BruceWayne
Here you go!
https://tinyurl.com/ya223p9f
Posted by: Piper at March 06, 2025 12:37 PM (pZEOD)
But Trump is embarrassing the country!
Holy cow.
Posted by: BruceWayne
Here you go!
https://tinyurl.com/ya223p9f
Posted by: Piper at March 06, 2025 12:37 PM (pZEOD)
But Trump is embarrassing the country!
Holy cow.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 06, 2025 12:50 PM (i24o9)
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213 124 Intuitive Machines is right now landing on the moon.
Washing machine sized capsule, testing for water at lunar south pole area. Won't have pics for a couple hours, if all goes well.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (Cus5s)
Is this the one that tipped over last time?
Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at March 06, 2025 12:47 PM (V6W16)
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That was Guam.
This is the moon.
Washing machine sized capsule, testing for water at lunar south pole area. Won't have pics for a couple hours, if all goes well.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (Cus5s)
Is this the one that tipped over last time?
Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at March 06, 2025 12:47 PM (V6W16)
***
That was Guam.
This is the moon.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 06, 2025 12:50 PM (W/lyH)
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I view the whole tariff issue from the macro-level without the benefit of charts economic theories.
To me, the average retarded American, it seems as if other countries that do the majority of exporting to America, seem to be seeing an improvement in their quality of life, while Americans seem to be a experiencing a relative deterioration in the lit standard of living.
I suspect, but can't prove, that it probably has to do with the fact that they make everything and we buy everything.
So I think what we have to do is start making some shit ourselves and keeping the money at home, or we need to keep a cut of what they are making selling shit here (not by means of multinational corporation, but in some aspect where it benefits the average American, such as funding our government).
To me, the average retarded American, it seems as if other countries that do the majority of exporting to America, seem to be seeing an improvement in their quality of life, while Americans seem to be a experiencing a relative deterioration in the lit standard of living.
I suspect, but can't prove, that it probably has to do with the fact that they make everything and we buy everything.
So I think what we have to do is start making some shit ourselves and keeping the money at home, or we need to keep a cut of what they are making selling shit here (not by means of multinational corporation, but in some aspect where it benefits the average American, such as funding our government).
Posted by: Retarded American at March 06, 2025 12:51 PM (48vyG)
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a pre-rolled $4 joint can be pinch toked for a week
Clearly I run with a different crowd.
Puff puff pass! You're f*cking up the rotation!
Clearly I run with a different crowd.
Puff puff pass! You're f*cking up the rotation!
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 06, 2025 12:51 PM (Cw7cn)
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It's a write off, Jerry. They just write it off.
Posted by: Kramer at March 06, 2025 12:51 PM (bHGBC)
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Which is why DC never thinks the economy is bad.
Because it's never bad in DC.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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True.
Because it's never bad in DC.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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True.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:51 PM (ctrM5)
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Basically people see and do according to their local economy that they can perceive rather than the national figures. I would imagine the investing class acts a bit differently but then again, they are a minority in every society.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:47 PM (ctrM5)
The investing class isn't always what drives market movements either. Retail investors tend to be the drivers in high volatility periods.
Basically people see and do according to their local economy that they can perceive rather than the national figures. I would imagine the investing class acts a bit differently but then again, they are a minority in every society.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:47 PM (ctrM5)
The investing class isn't always what drives market movements either. Retail investors tend to be the drivers in high volatility periods.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at March 06, 2025 12:51 PM (eYoxG)
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Washing machine sized capsule, testing for water at lunar south pole area. Won't have pics for a couple hours, if all goes well.
Posted by: illiniwek
Will it wash clothes if it finds water?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (63Dwl)
Of course not. It was unwomanned.
Posted by: illiniwek
Will it wash clothes if it finds water?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (63Dwl)
Of course not. It was unwomanned.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 06, 2025 12:52 PM (i24o9)
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True, and to the point, a pre-rolled $4 joint can be pinch toked for a week, where a $5 IPA draft has to be consumed at once.
"Wait... wut? A whole week?"
--Potheads
"Wait... wut? A whole week?"
--Potheads
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:52 PM (2VST1)
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Doesn't this guy know we made irrational bets!?
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (oa1NA)
We Can Stay Retarded Longer Than You Can Stay Solvent!
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (oa1NA)
We Can Stay Retarded Longer Than You Can Stay Solvent!
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 06, 2025 12:52 PM (ExV1e)
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38 Local highschool had a rally out in front of the school with many students damning Trump. One sign wanted Zelinsky to replace Trump. Other signs were telling Trump where to go, and not to heaven. Starving children around the world, etc.
I'd bet the teachers have had a big hand in this.
Posted by: Colin at March 06, 2025 12:21 PM (wlQdF)
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Introduce them to Ukranian-style recruitment. Bag on head, beating and into the truck you go, you mouthy little shit.
I'd bet the teachers have had a big hand in this.
Posted by: Colin at March 06, 2025 12:21 PM (wlQdF)
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Introduce them to Ukranian-style recruitment. Bag on head, beating and into the truck you go, you mouthy little shit.
Posted by: The_Hoser at March 06, 2025 12:52 PM (3qNLt)
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Has anyone seen the Dems "pick your fighter" post oh my lord. Serious cringe. I don't have x so I can't search it and post it.
Posted by: BruceWayne
Here you go!
https://tinyurl.com/ya223p9f
Posted by: Piper at March 06, 2025 12:37 PM (pZEOD)
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Re-elections are expensive. If their sources of funding say dance, then dance!
Posted by: BruceWayne
Here you go!
https://tinyurl.com/ya223p9f
Posted by: Piper at March 06, 2025 12:37 PM (pZEOD)
***
Re-elections are expensive. If their sources of funding say dance, then dance!
Posted by: Diogenes at March 06, 2025 12:52 PM (W/lyH)
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Some Rhode Island Obama federal judge saying Trump can’t freeze anymore spending.
Somehow, though Trump‘s wall never really got built, even though it was voted on and funded, but we can’t stop a Sesame Street show in Iraq.
Judges are a menace
Somehow, though Trump‘s wall never really got built, even though it was voted on and funded, but we can’t stop a Sesame Street show in Iraq.
Judges are a menace
Posted by: Maroon at March 06, 2025 12:52 PM (PGboh)
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I suspect, but can't prove, that it probably has to do with the fact that they make everything and we buy everything.
So I think what we have to do is start making some shit ourselves and keeping the money at home, or we need to keep a cut of what they are making selling shit here (not by means of multinational corporation, but in some aspect where it benefits the average American, such as funding our government).
Posted by: Retarded American
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Hamilton came to that same conclusion. His masterful Report on Manufactures among others is why he should be regarded as the top Treasury Secretary of all time.
So I think what we have to do is start making some shit ourselves and keeping the money at home, or we need to keep a cut of what they are making selling shit here (not by means of multinational corporation, but in some aspect where it benefits the average American, such as funding our government).
Posted by: Retarded American
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Hamilton came to that same conclusion. His masterful Report on Manufactures among others is why he should be regarded as the top Treasury Secretary of all time.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:53 PM (ctrM5)
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67 Fuck the Markets.
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:24 PM
I'm down but bargain hunting today.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 06, 2025 12:25 PM (jc0TO)
Been looking at picking up some Intel (INTC).
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:24 PM
I'm down but bargain hunting today.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 06, 2025 12:25 PM (jc0TO)
Been looking at picking up some Intel (INTC).
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 06, 2025 12:53 PM (N39Ws)
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>>That isn't a bad idea, really.
It's one way of combatting the current avenues to Grift in DC.
Those State Titles belongs to the People. Trade on them and pay the People their due.
Or, don't use the Title in your trade.
It's one way of combatting the current avenues to Grift in DC.
Those State Titles belongs to the People. Trade on them and pay the People their due.
Or, don't use the Title in your trade.
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:53 PM (oa1NA)
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GDP is NOT a good measure of economic health
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:39 PM (ctrM5)
I couldn't agree with you more, and I'm glad to see someone saying it. I've had arguments with a lot of economics major in college types about this.
What are we actually measuring here? Total spending, right? But there are plenty of ways spending can be very high, but the quality of life for the citizens of the country could suck.
Like the USSR at the end of the cold war. Spending oodles of money on tanks and military gadgets while average people were waiting on bread lines. I'm sure their GDP numbers would suggest they should all have a fairly decent standard of living, but they didn't.
So we need a better way to measure this.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:39 PM (ctrM5)
I couldn't agree with you more, and I'm glad to see someone saying it. I've had arguments with a lot of economics major in college types about this.
What are we actually measuring here? Total spending, right? But there are plenty of ways spending can be very high, but the quality of life for the citizens of the country could suck.
Like the USSR at the end of the cold war. Spending oodles of money on tanks and military gadgets while average people were waiting on bread lines. I'm sure their GDP numbers would suggest they should all have a fairly decent standard of living, but they didn't.
So we need a better way to measure this.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 12:54 PM (uCjyK)
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Laura Loomer
@LauraLoomer
Still no Epstein files.
You have all been played.
I thought a truck load was dropped off?
Does anyone have a photo of this truck?
Truly unacceptable for the US AG to lie to the American people as a Trump appointee.
Hope Trump fires her soon.
Crickets from the GOP…
@LauraLoomer
Still no Epstein files.
You have all been played.
I thought a truck load was dropped off?
Does anyone have a photo of this truck?
Truly unacceptable for the US AG to lie to the American people as a Trump appointee.
Hope Trump fires her soon.
Crickets from the GOP…
Posted by: Mister Ghost at March 06, 2025 12:54 PM (TGPs7)
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Maxine Waters Suggests Elon Musk Hacked The Election In Hilarious Rant
Election denialism is en vogue again, I see
Election denialism is en vogue again, I see
Posted by: Halfhand at March 06, 2025 12:54 PM (0vWlM)
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Mexico will never pay those tariffs. American consumers will.
...IF we choose to.
Have you ever chosen to pay your taxes? "Hey, they're really providing good value, this is a good deal"?
I like having the choice and am perfectly willing to pay extra for the The Mexican Weather Channel.
...IF we choose to.
Have you ever chosen to pay your taxes? "Hey, they're really providing good value, this is a good deal"?
I like having the choice and am perfectly willing to pay extra for the The Mexican Weather Channel.
Posted by: t-bird at March 06, 2025 12:55 PM (NCclz)
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Re-elections are expensive. If their sources of funding say dance, then dance!
"You want me to do what? I'll look like a dumbass, absolutely not!"
"Do you want this money or not? Dance, NPC"
"You want me to do what? I'll look like a dumbass, absolutely not!"
"Do you want this money or not? Dance, NPC"
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:55 PM (2VST1)
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Speaking of Posses, since right after the election we haven't see the Patriot Front lately
Posted by: Skip i at March 06, 2025 12:55 PM (fwDg9)
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237 GDP is NOT a good measure of economic health
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:39 PM (ctrM5)
I couldn't agree with you more, and I'm glad to see someone saying it. I've had arguments with a lot of economics major in college types about this.
What are we actually measuring here? Total spending, right? But there are plenty of ways spending can be very high, but the quality of life for the citizens of the country could suck.
Like the USSR at the end of the cold war. Spending oodles of money on tanks and military gadgets while average people were waiting on bread lines. I'm sure their GDP numbers would suggest they should all have a fairly decent standard of living, but they didn't.
So we need a better way to measure this.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 12:54 PM (uCjyK)
That's what purchasing power parity calculations(or other metrics like calorie consumption) are intended to try and capture, but it's inherently fuzzy.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 12:39 PM (ctrM5)
I couldn't agree with you more, and I'm glad to see someone saying it. I've had arguments with a lot of economics major in college types about this.
What are we actually measuring here? Total spending, right? But there are plenty of ways spending can be very high, but the quality of life for the citizens of the country could suck.
Like the USSR at the end of the cold war. Spending oodles of money on tanks and military gadgets while average people were waiting on bread lines. I'm sure their GDP numbers would suggest they should all have a fairly decent standard of living, but they didn't.
So we need a better way to measure this.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 12:54 PM (uCjyK)
That's what purchasing power parity calculations(or other metrics like calorie consumption) are intended to try and capture, but it's inherently fuzzy.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at March 06, 2025 12:55 PM (eYoxG)
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Nicholas Fondacaro
@NickFondacaro
Joy Behar claims she's friends with a Trump supporter but adds she wouldn't give them a kidney to save their life:
"I won't give them a kidney but I could be friends with them...the thing about it, it's not just about politics, it's about morality, ethics, it's about cruelty, it's about discrimination and it's about a lot of things. So, those are personal human values."
Sunny Hostin agrees with letting the Trump supporter friend die:
"Yeah, I agree with that because I think, you know, we're in abnormal times. This is not the Republican Party of yesterday...I think it's the trumplican party in many respects. It's so extreme. And if someone is supporting or voting for someone who is hurting members of my family, members of my community, our elderly, our children, gutting our government, firing people; I do have a hard time being friends with that person."
https://tinyurl.com/3saudrjd
Nicholas Fondacaro
@NickFondacaro
Joy Behar claims she's friends with a Trump supporter but adds she wouldn't give them a kidney to save their life:
"I won't give them a kidney but I could be friends with them...the thing about it, it's not just about politics, it's about morality, ethics, it's about cruelty, it's about discrimination and it's about a lot of things. So, those are personal human values."
Sunny Hostin agrees with letting the Trump supporter friend die:
"Yeah, I agree with that because I think, you know, we're in abnormal times. This is not the Republican Party of yesterday...I think it's the trumplican party in many respects. It's so extreme. And if someone is supporting or voting for someone who is hurting members of my family, members of my community, our elderly, our children, gutting our government, firing people; I do have a hard time being friends with that person."
https://tinyurl.com/3saudrjd
Posted by: redridinghood at March 06, 2025 12:55 PM (NpAcC)
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But what about all the alcoholic Canadians who depend upon American bourbon?
Will they be forced to drink Canadian Club eh? It's just a blended whisky!
Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at March 06, 2025 12:45 PM (et1vG)
As long as the vodka and clamato holds out, you'll never have to worry about a deprived Canadian liver.
But what about all the alcoholic Canadians who depend upon American bourbon?
Will they be forced to drink Canadian Club eh? It's just a blended whisky!
Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at March 06, 2025 12:45 PM (et1vG)
As long as the vodka and clamato holds out, you'll never have to worry about a deprived Canadian liver.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at March 06, 2025 12:55 PM (pIfcn)
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Has anyone seen the Dems "pick your fighter" post oh my lord. Serious cringe. I don't have x so I can't search it and post it.
Posted by: BruceWayne
Here you go!
https://tinyurl.com/ya223p9f
Posted by: Piper at March 06, 2025 12:37 PM (pZEOD)
LOL. I'm all askeerd now.
Posted by: BruceWayne
Here you go!
https://tinyurl.com/ya223p9f
Posted by: Piper at March 06, 2025 12:37 PM (pZEOD)
LOL. I'm all askeerd now.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at March 06, 2025 12:56 PM (g8Ew8)
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Citizens of Canuckistan should now be referred to as 'Snow Mexicans'.
Posted by: El Borak at March 06, 2025 12:56 PM (ojAzl)
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>>Laura Loomer
@LauraLoomer
>Still no Epstein files.
>You have all been played.
Do people really tune in to this hysterical cunt?
Or, is she just screaming into the ether?
@LauraLoomer
>Still no Epstein files.
>You have all been played.
Do people really tune in to this hysterical cunt?
Or, is she just screaming into the ether?
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:56 PM (oa1NA)
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But what about all the alcoholic Canadians who depend upon American bourbon?
Will they be forced to drink Canadian Club eh? It's just a blended whisky!
Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at March 06, 2025 12:45 PM (et1vG)
As long as the vodka and clamato holds out, you'll never have to worry about a deprived Canadian liver.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at March 06, 2025 12:55 PM (pIfcn)
They also have Screech.
But what about all the alcoholic Canadians who depend upon American bourbon?
Will they be forced to drink Canadian Club eh? It's just a blended whisky!
Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at March 06, 2025 12:45 PM (et1vG)
As long as the vodka and clamato holds out, you'll never have to worry about a deprived Canadian liver.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at March 06, 2025 12:55 PM (pIfcn)
They also have Screech.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 06, 2025 12:57 PM (N39Ws)
250
Maxine Waters Suggests Elon Musk Hacked The Election In Hilarious Rant
Posted by: SMOD at March 06, 2025 12:46 PM (RHGPo)
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As I asked yesterday:
Do we know for sure that she doesn't possess a Neuralink device beta version designed for a chimp?
Posted by: SMOD at March 06, 2025 12:46 PM (RHGPo)
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As I asked yesterday:
Do we know for sure that she doesn't possess a Neuralink device beta version designed for a chimp?
Posted by: ShainS -- America is my favorite drama - I cancelled Amazon Prime at March 06, 2025 12:57 PM (KRNKG)
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I like craft beer. But a lot of craft breweries have jumped the shark. Like Martin House. No, I don't want to drink beer that tastes like pizza, at a premium price no less. Stunt beers are stupid.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at March 06, 2025 12:57 PM (YtQZg)
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>>>I do not think it is possible for the US government, even at constitutional levels, to function using only tariffs for revenue.
Then sell war bonds. Sell municipal bonds. If there is a deemed worthy project with competent management, then people will invest at competitive rates.
If there is incompetence, overruns, failure, that should be reflected in the price that government pays to access that money.
With taxes, there is no feedback mechanism, and there are layers of unelected bureaucracy to insulate those responsible for mismanagement.
Then sell war bonds. Sell municipal bonds. If there is a deemed worthy project with competent management, then people will invest at competitive rates.
If there is incompetence, overruns, failure, that should be reflected in the price that government pays to access that money.
With taxes, there is no feedback mechanism, and there are layers of unelected bureaucracy to insulate those responsible for mismanagement.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 06, 2025 12:57 PM (i24o9)
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I couldn't agree with you more, and I'm glad to see someone saying it. I've had arguments with a lot of economics major in college types about this.
What are we actually measuring here? Total spending, right? But there are plenty of ways spending can be very high, but the quality of life for the citizens of the country could suck.
Like the USSR at the end of the cold war. Spending oodles of money on tanks and military gadgets while average people were waiting on bread lines. I'm sure their GDP numbers would suggest they should all have a fairly decent standard of living, but they didn't.
So we need a better way to measure this.
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GNP/GDP uses a three sector model, and yes if one sector is wildly out of proportion then the bottom line number can be misleading.
It's useful as a measure of the size of an economy. My coursework etc didn't consider it for any other purpose. For other uses though, I've always been partial to something like the Big Mac Index.
What are we actually measuring here? Total spending, right? But there are plenty of ways spending can be very high, but the quality of life for the citizens of the country could suck.
Like the USSR at the end of the cold war. Spending oodles of money on tanks and military gadgets while average people were waiting on bread lines. I'm sure their GDP numbers would suggest they should all have a fairly decent standard of living, but they didn't.
So we need a better way to measure this.
--
GNP/GDP uses a three sector model, and yes if one sector is wildly out of proportion then the bottom line number can be misleading.
It's useful as a measure of the size of an economy. My coursework etc didn't consider it for any other purpose. For other uses though, I've always been partial to something like the Big Mac Index.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 06, 2025 12:57 PM (MvZ7K)
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I am coming to the realization that all the black people in commercials seemed to happen all at once...
And if you've been paying attention, black people are being injected into Europe all over the place. Ireland is insane right now with it's govt changing the demographics out in the open and arresting anyone who protests.
Are these two related.
I would say fuck yes they are.
I am coming to the realization that all the black people in commercials seemed to happen all at once...
And if you've been paying attention, black people are being injected into Europe all over the place. Ireland is insane right now with it's govt changing the demographics out in the open and arresting anyone who protests.
Are these two related.
I would say fuck yes they are.
Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at March 06, 2025 12:57 PM (et1vG)
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So I think what we have to do is start making some shit ourselves and keeping the money at home, or we need to keep a cut of what they are making selling shit here (not by means of multinational corporation, but in some aspect where it benefits the average American, such as funding our government).
Posted by: Retarded American at March 06, 2025 12:51 PM (48vyG)
Exactly. Even if we take a hit to our GDP, or if, I don't know, shoes cost an extra $15 a pair, the country just created, say, 200 $30/hr+ jobs in rural Oklahoma or whatever for people to run the machines that make shoes. That's 200 families who are now on a path out of poverty, and can buy houses and support the local economy by going out to bars and restaurants, etc.
How is that not preferable to saving a few bucks on shoes, but all of that money goes to China instead of staying in the US?
Even if on paper, our GDP is not quite as high as it otherwise could have been.
Posted by: Retarded American at March 06, 2025 12:51 PM (48vyG)
Exactly. Even if we take a hit to our GDP, or if, I don't know, shoes cost an extra $15 a pair, the country just created, say, 200 $30/hr+ jobs in rural Oklahoma or whatever for people to run the machines that make shoes. That's 200 families who are now on a path out of poverty, and can buy houses and support the local economy by going out to bars and restaurants, etc.
How is that not preferable to saving a few bucks on shoes, but all of that money goes to China instead of staying in the US?
Even if on paper, our GDP is not quite as high as it otherwise could have been.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 12:57 PM (uCjyK)
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222 213 124 Intuitive Machines is right now landing on the moon.
Washing machine sized capsule, testing for water at lunar south pole area. Won't have pics for a couple hours, if all goes well.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (Cus5s)
Is this the one that tipped over last time?
Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at March 06, 2025 12:47 PM (V6W16)
***
That was Guam.
This is the moon.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 06, 2025 12:50 PM (W/lyH)
How come all these lander things have to sorta crash land on the moon? Why don't they use big parachutes or a helicopter rotor thing and float down to a totes soft landing?
Washing machine sized capsule, testing for water at lunar south pole area. Won't have pics for a couple hours, if all goes well.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 06, 2025 12:33 PM (Cus5s)
Is this the one that tipped over last time?
Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at March 06, 2025 12:47 PM (V6W16)
***
That was Guam.
This is the moon.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 06, 2025 12:50 PM (W/lyH)
How come all these lander things have to sorta crash land on the moon? Why don't they use big parachutes or a helicopter rotor thing and float down to a totes soft landing?
Posted by: A high school senior at March 06, 2025 12:58 PM (aBgBM)
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Local highschool had a rally out in front of the school with many students damning Trump.
Apaprently there's still some "overthrowing the US" money floating around.
There's supposed to be a "Peace rally against Trump" or some such stupidity... tomorrow? Starting on the college campus and moving downtown.
If I weren't going to be out of town and weren't allergic to going stupid place with stupid people doing stupid things, I'd be terribly tempted to ask them why they are rallying in favor of continued US funding for international terrorism
Apaprently there's still some "overthrowing the US" money floating around.
There's supposed to be a "Peace rally against Trump" or some such stupidity... tomorrow? Starting on the college campus and moving downtown.
If I weren't going to be out of town and weren't allergic to going stupid place with stupid people doing stupid things, I'd be terribly tempted to ask them why they are rallying in favor of continued US funding for international terrorism
Posted by: FeatherBlade at March 06, 2025 12:58 PM (hB7mE)
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And before someone corrects me, I've always considered import/export as subsets of the other three sectors. Sue me.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 06, 2025 12:58 PM (MvZ7K)
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All the snow Mexicans I know drink 'Rye & Coke' which is just Crown and Coke.
I think they brew Coca Cola in Canada, too, so they should be ok.
I think they brew Coca Cola in Canada, too, so they should be ok.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 06, 2025 12:58 PM (Cw7cn)
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256 How come all these lander things have to sorta crash land on the moon? Why don't they use big parachutes or a helicopter rotor thing and float down to a totes soft landing?
Posted by: A high school senior at March 06, 2025 12:58 PM (aBgBM)
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I wonder how a parachute would work in a vacuum...?
Posted by: A high school senior at March 06, 2025 12:58 PM (aBgBM)
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I wonder how a parachute would work in a vacuum...?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:58 PM (GBKbO)
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Canadian Club is now known as Snow Tequila.
Posted by: El Borak at March 06, 2025 12:59 PM (ojAzl)
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They also have Screech.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 06, 2025 12:57 PM (N39Ws)
Right up until our commerce raiders start seizing the tankers from the Caribbean
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at March 06, 2025 12:57 PM (N39Ws)
Right up until our commerce raiders start seizing the tankers from the Caribbean
Posted by: Kindltot at March 06, 2025 12:59 PM (D7oie)
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"Intuitive Machines, a Houston company aiming to repeat a moon landing it accomplished in 2024, said its spacecraft did not crash, but mission controllers are working to understand its condition."
Posted by: illiniwek at March 06, 2025 12:59 PM (Cus5s)
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>>So I think what we have to do is start making some shit ourselves and keeping the money at home,
I'm not entirely joking about the Shaker Revolution that I want to see follow the second coming of Pinochet.
I'm not entirely joking about the Shaker Revolution that I want to see follow the second coming of Pinochet.
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:59 PM (oa1NA)
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Yeah, I agree with that because I think, you know, we're in abnormal times. This is not the Republican Party of yesterday...I think it's the trumplican party in many respects.
I mean, she isn't wrong, this is not your daddy's Republican Party. It keeps its promises, it is actually trying to reduce waste and unconstitutional spending. So in that sense, she's right about the GOP.
But it is more the party of yesterday than the Democrat Party who in 20 years went from "gay marriage is wrong and we need to protect women" to... now.
I mean, she isn't wrong, this is not your daddy's Republican Party. It keeps its promises, it is actually trying to reduce waste and unconstitutional spending. So in that sense, she's right about the GOP.
But it is more the party of yesterday than the Democrat Party who in 20 years went from "gay marriage is wrong and we need to protect women" to... now.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 01:00 PM (2VST1)
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Re-elections are expensive. If their sources of funding say dance, then dance!
Posted by: Diogenes
____
Maybe this is a consequence of the investigations into Act Blue. Second thoughts on shutting it down?
Posted by: Diogenes
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Maybe this is a consequence of the investigations into Act Blue. Second thoughts on shutting it down?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 06, 2025 01:00 PM (shH1w)
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I'mma stock up on Mexican glass-bottle cane sugar Coca Cola before April 2nd. That shit used to be $19 a case, now it's $36 at BJs.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 06, 2025 01:00 PM (Cw7cn)
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I wonder how a parachute would work in a vacuum...?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06
It clogs up the hose.
Don't ask me how I know.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06
It clogs up the hose.
Don't ask me how I know.
Posted by: Retarded American at March 06, 2025 01:00 PM (48vyG)
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Elon hacked Maxine's hair.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 06, 2025 01:00 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2025 01:00 PM (8zz6B)
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Laura Loomer
@LauraLoomer
I am on the scene at the Corry Station in Pensacola, FL where the Naval Air Station is on lockdown after gunshots were fired.
No reports of any victims yet but a heavy police and EMS presence on campus. People on campus heard gunshots and now everything is on lockdown.
@LauraLoomer
I am on the scene at the Corry Station in Pensacola, FL where the Naval Air Station is on lockdown after gunshots were fired.
No reports of any victims yet but a heavy police and EMS presence on campus. People on campus heard gunshots and now everything is on lockdown.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at March 06, 2025 01:01 PM (TGPs7)
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>>How come all these lander things have to sorta crash land on the moon?
All successful landings are no more than well controlled crashes.
All successful landings are no more than well controlled crashes.
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 01:01 PM (oa1NA)
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I wonder how a parachute would work in a vacuum...?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:58 PM (GBKbO)
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As well as lead water wings.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 06, 2025 12:58 PM (GBKbO)
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As well as lead water wings.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at March 06, 2025 01:01 PM (6K6Eu)
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I think the inevitable failure of craft breweries at large probably has more to do with people not wanting to pay $10 for a beer when they can go to the grocery store and pay $8 for a six pack of swill.
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Supply far outstripped demand for the last decade.
The entire market was long overdue for a huge pullback.
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Supply far outstripped demand for the last decade.
The entire market was long overdue for a huge pullback.
Posted by: ballistic at March 06, 2025 01:01 PM (Sa0bK)
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Anyway, here's a good reminder:
https://accordingtohoyt.com/2025/03/06/ possess-your-soul-in-patience/
https://accordingtohoyt.com/2025/03/06/ possess-your-soul-in-patience/
Posted by: FeatherBlade at March 06, 2025 01:01 PM (hB7mE)
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Trump: In real life, I was shot, millimeters from death, got up with blood pouring down my face and yelled "fight, fight, fight!"
Democrats: We're gonna pretend we're characters in a fake-ass video game.
As mention in the replies, can't decide which is worse--the posing like a selection screen or the character's attributes captions.
Democrats: We're gonna pretend we're characters in a fake-ass video game.
As mention in the replies, can't decide which is worse--the posing like a selection screen or the character's attributes captions.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 06, 2025 01:01 PM (uLKZx)
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That's what purchasing power parity calculations(or other metrics like calorie consumption) are intended to try and capture, but it's inherently fuzzy.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at March 06, 2025 12:55 PM (eYoxG)
PPP measures the relative cost of living across different counties.
I'm saying we need a measurement that's more holistic than "high GDP means high economic happiness for the average citizens" or whatever.
In the same way we can have a stock market going to the moon during COVID while people were unemployed and the economy was crashing, and yet people were still saying "the economy is on fire! Look at the stock market! This is amazing!"
It's not a measure of the economic health of the average person, there are a lot of things that can affect GDP or the stock market (inflationary money injection, for example) that show GDP or stock market going up, but that actually make everyone poorer.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at March 06, 2025 12:55 PM (eYoxG)
PPP measures the relative cost of living across different counties.
I'm saying we need a measurement that's more holistic than "high GDP means high economic happiness for the average citizens" or whatever.
In the same way we can have a stock market going to the moon during COVID while people were unemployed and the economy was crashing, and yet people were still saying "the economy is on fire! Look at the stock market! This is amazing!"
It's not a measure of the economic health of the average person, there are a lot of things that can affect GDP or the stock market (inflationary money injection, for example) that show GDP or stock market going up, but that actually make everyone poorer.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 01:02 PM (uCjyK)
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And damn I'm thinking more and more about this.
Gross National Income is also worth consideration.
Gross National Income is also worth consideration.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 06, 2025 01:02 PM (MvZ7K)
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Do people really tune in to this hysterical cunt?
Or, is she just screaming into the ether?
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025
I am sure she has a following still, but now that Trump kicked her out of the cool kids club (for being insane), that won’t last. Unless she gets some incredible scoop that thrusts her back into the mainstream, which I am sure she is hoping happens.
Meanwhile, she should invest in filler dissolver. She looks like she is wearing a mask.
Do people really tune in to this hysterical cunt?
Or, is she just screaming into the ether?
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025
I am sure she has a following still, but now that Trump kicked her out of the cool kids club (for being insane), that won’t last. Unless she gets some incredible scoop that thrusts her back into the mainstream, which I am sure she is hoping happens.
Meanwhile, she should invest in filler dissolver. She looks like she is wearing a mask.
Posted by: Piper at March 06, 2025 01:03 PM (p4NUW)
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I think they brew Coca Cola in Canada, too, so they should be ok.
Using maple syrup as the sweetener gives it a strange flavor.
Using maple syrup as the sweetener gives it a strange flavor.
Posted by: Moose cola at March 06, 2025 01:03 PM (5TbUi)
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I am coming to the realization that all the black people in commercials seemed to happen all at once...
Paul Joseph Watson released a montage recently of ads done by the UK government regarding harassment of women and teaching people to not do so.
EVERY SINGLE AD was a white British guy harassing women and being told to stop by... a black or clearly "asian" guy (meaning swarthy Muslim type in Brit). All of them. The real perpetrators of rape and harassment of women are obviously NOT the flood of Muslim immigrants y'all. Its pasty white youths.
Paul Joseph Watson released a montage recently of ads done by the UK government regarding harassment of women and teaching people to not do so.
EVERY SINGLE AD was a white British guy harassing women and being told to stop by... a black or clearly "asian" guy (meaning swarthy Muslim type in Brit). All of them. The real perpetrators of rape and harassment of women are obviously NOT the flood of Muslim immigrants y'all. Its pasty white youths.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 01:03 PM (2VST1)
Posted by: illiniwek at March 06, 2025 01:03 PM (Cus5s)
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As long as the vodka and clamato holds out, you'll never have to worry about a deprived Canadian liver.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls
Until Milani Dill Sauce is once again manufactured and widely available, the Bloody Caesar is dead.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls
Until Milani Dill Sauce is once again manufactured and widely available, the Bloody Caesar is dead.
Posted by: Auspex at March 06, 2025 01:04 PM (j4U/Z)
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Gotta go, more medical torture tests today.
Posted by: whig at March 06, 2025 01:04 PM (ctrM5)
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LOL. I'm all askeerd now.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at March 06, 2025 12:56 PM (g8Ew
A generation of girl bosses . . . .
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at March 06, 2025 12:56 PM (g8Ew
A generation of girl bosses . . . .
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 06, 2025 01:04 PM (i24o9)
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I think they brew Coca Cola in Canada, too, so they should be ok.
Using maple syrup as the sweetener gives it a strange flavor.
I thought it was just that shitty metric version of Coca Cola.
Using maple syrup as the sweetener gives it a strange flavor.
I thought it was just that shitty metric version of Coca Cola.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 06, 2025 01:04 PM (Cw7cn)
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@real_shirelass: "muslims and minorities are to be given lesser sentences than white British people, you couldnt make this shit up. But here it is in parliament today"
Pull all US troops out of Europe. Fuck them!
Pull all US troops out of Europe. Fuck them!
Posted by: Can't Make gp's Shimmy Shake On Tea at March 06, 2025 01:05 PM (XArC2)
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How come all these lander things have to sorta crash land on the moon? Why don't they use big parachutes or a helicopter rotor thing and float down to a totes soft landing?
Posted by: A high school senior at March 06, 2025 12:58 PM (aBgBM)
You're hired!
-------NASA
Posted by: A high school senior at March 06, 2025 12:58 PM (aBgBM)
You're hired!
-------NASA
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at March 06, 2025 01:05 PM (g8Ew8)
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239 Maxine Waters Suggests Elon Musk Hacked The Election In Hilarious Rant
Election denialism is en vogue again, I see
Posted by: Halfhand at March 06, 2025 12:54 PM (0vWlM)
I can see the NY Post headline:
Hack Who Got Elected Cries About Election That "Got Hacked".
Election denialism is en vogue again, I see
Posted by: Halfhand at March 06, 2025 12:54 PM (0vWlM)
I can see the NY Post headline:
Hack Who Got Elected Cries About Election That "Got Hacked".
Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 06, 2025 01:05 PM (wtvvX)
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Do people really tune in to this hysterical cunt?
Or, is she just screaming into the ether?
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:56 PM (oa1NA)
I saw Hysterical Cunts open for L7 at Lilith Fair in '99
Or, is she just screaming into the ether?
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:56 PM (oa1NA)
I saw Hysterical Cunts open for L7 at Lilith Fair in '99
Posted by: the wymyn were angry that day my friends at March 06, 2025 01:05 PM (5TbUi)
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145 I’m all for tariffs, especially leveraging it to get foreign policy objectives like making Mexico secure its border
But Trump did win because of inflation. And if consumers see giant price increases suddenly , that’s not going to go well. Especially since the positive effects of protectionism take a rally long time to see
Posted by: Maroon at March 06, 2025 12:35 PM (PGboh)
Plenty of people said this when he hit China with tariffs in his first term, prices didn't rise, china absorbed the cost. Biden kept many of those tariffs by the way. Sure there's a point where they won't absorb the cost, but there is also a point where it's shut down production or make less money..
But Trump did win because of inflation. And if consumers see giant price increases suddenly , that’s not going to go well. Especially since the positive effects of protectionism take a rally long time to see
Posted by: Maroon at March 06, 2025 12:35 PM (PGboh)
Plenty of people said this when he hit China with tariffs in his first term, prices didn't rise, china absorbed the cost. Biden kept many of those tariffs by the way. Sure there's a point where they won't absorb the cost, but there is also a point where it's shut down production or make less money..
Posted by: Inogame at March 06, 2025 01:06 PM (53oGX)
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Laura Loomer
@LauraLoomer
>Still no Epstein files.
>You have all been played.
Do people really tune in to this hysterical cunt?
Or, is she just screaming into the ether?
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:56 PM (oa1NA)
*******
I can't stand her. She's an instigator and a backstabber who can't be trusted.
@LauraLoomer
>Still no Epstein files.
>You have all been played.
Do people really tune in to this hysterical cunt?
Or, is she just screaming into the ether?
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:56 PM (oa1NA)
*******
I can't stand her. She's an instigator and a backstabber who can't be trusted.
Posted by: redridinghood at March 06, 2025 01:06 PM (NpAcC)
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I just had a nice moment thinking about Loomers cans...
Where are the files? Why oversell and underdeliver?
Zimmerman proved how flexible Pam is. I would like my concern noted.
Where are the files? Why oversell and underdeliver?
Zimmerman proved how flexible Pam is. I would like my concern noted.
Posted by: Francis at March 06, 2025 01:06 PM (bbuBP)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 01:06 PM (2VST1)
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Compare and contrast.
Pelosi: sparks of the divine
W: wouldn't be prudent
Gorka Reveals This Is What Trump Told Him to Do With an ISIS Terrorist Camp: “Kill Them, Kill Them Now”
Pelosi: sparks of the divine
W: wouldn't be prudent
Gorka Reveals This Is What Trump Told Him to Do With an ISIS Terrorist Camp: “Kill Them, Kill Them Now”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at March 06, 2025 01:06 PM (L/fGl)
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I am coming to the realization that all the black people in commercials seemed to happen all at once...
And if you've been paying attention, black people are being injected into Europe all over the place. Ireland is insane right now with it's govt changing the demographics out in the open and arresting anyone who protests.
Are these two related.
I would say fuck yes they are.
Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at March 06, 2025 12:57 PM (et1vG)
Anti-white gay communism.
And if you've been paying attention, black people are being injected into Europe all over the place. Ireland is insane right now with it's govt changing the demographics out in the open and arresting anyone who protests.
Are these two related.
I would say fuck yes they are.
Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at March 06, 2025 12:57 PM (et1vG)
Anti-white gay communism.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 06, 2025 01:07 PM (xNfRN)
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I thought it was just that shitty metric version of Coca Cola.
.....
They do sell it in liter or 2 liter bottles.
Something I think Trump should agrees just for fun along the lines of the Gulf of America, Mount McKinley, and official national language.
From now on all products sold in America may not be sold in metric volumes and must be standardized to American weights and measurements.
.....
They do sell it in liter or 2 liter bottles.
Something I think Trump should agrees just for fun along the lines of the Gulf of America, Mount McKinley, and official national language.
From now on all products sold in America may not be sold in metric volumes and must be standardized to American weights and measurements.
Posted by: Retarded American at March 06, 2025 01:07 PM (48vyG)
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Elon hacked Maxine's hair.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 06, 2025 01:00 PM
Her symbiont has gone mad.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 06, 2025 01:00 PM
Her symbiont has gone mad.
Posted by: The PRI and PAN at March 06, 2025 01:07 PM (jc0TO)
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278 And damn I'm thinking more and more about this.
Gross National Income is also worth consideration.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 06, 2025 01:02 PM (MvZ7K)
But what are we really measuring with GNI?
Let's say Blackrock and Wall Street have a great year exploiting Ukrainian rare earth minerals. That would increase the GNI of the US, but does Blackrock's infusion of wealth or Wall Streets infusion of wealth really mean that Americans are getting wealthier?
Maybe. But there are a lot of foreign and institutional investors who are making money there from all around the world. That's not really American money, just because the company happens to be based in the US.
Gross National Income is also worth consideration.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 06, 2025 01:02 PM (MvZ7K)
But what are we really measuring with GNI?
Let's say Blackrock and Wall Street have a great year exploiting Ukrainian rare earth minerals. That would increase the GNI of the US, but does Blackrock's infusion of wealth or Wall Streets infusion of wealth really mean that Americans are getting wealthier?
Maybe. But there are a lot of foreign and institutional investors who are making money there from all around the world. That's not really American money, just because the company happens to be based in the US.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 01:07 PM (uCjyK)
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209 I do not think it is possible for the US government, even at constitutional levels, to function using only tariffs for revenue.
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This would be totally valid if money was real.
Posted by: ... at March 06, 2025 12:46 PM (Hpe9G)
Trump has done his homework and learned that BEFORE income tax the US only operated on tariffs. Trump says in the late 1800's and up to President McKinley (assassinated) the US coffers were so full that we had bucks to spend.
Trumps new hero is President Mikinley. It was Woodrow Wilson the first lefty progressive that started us down the road to perdition.
Hence Trumps renaming Denali back to Mount Mckinley
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This would be totally valid if money was real.
Posted by: ... at March 06, 2025 12:46 PM (Hpe9G)
Trump has done his homework and learned that BEFORE income tax the US only operated on tariffs. Trump says in the late 1800's and up to President McKinley (assassinated) the US coffers were so full that we had bucks to spend.
Trumps new hero is President Mikinley. It was Woodrow Wilson the first lefty progressive that started us down the road to perdition.
Hence Trumps renaming Denali back to Mount Mckinley
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 06, 2025 01:07 PM (x5Jut)
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I think they brew Coca Cola in Canada, too, so they should be ok.
Using maple syrup as the sweetener gives it a strange flavor.
Posted by: Moose cola at March 06, 2025 01:03 PM (5TbUi)
Strange brew?
Using maple syrup as the sweetener gives it a strange flavor.
Posted by: Moose cola at March 06, 2025 01:03 PM (5TbUi)
Strange brew?
Posted by: Bob & Doug at March 06, 2025 01:07 PM (Aqu9a)
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Dom Lucre | Breaker of Narratives
@dom_lucre
🔥🚨DEVELOPING: Democrat and Republican voters have been left confused after this video Senator Corey Booker grabbing and “groping” this young Liberal influencer.
Voters have commented that this video is “strange” and that “Booker can’t keep his hands off the kid, sick” this strange interaction appears to be confusing for voters of both parties.
https://tinyurl.com/43e5247m
Dom Lucre | Breaker of Narratives
@dom_lucre
🔥🚨DEVELOPING: Democrat and Republican voters have been left confused after this video Senator Corey Booker grabbing and “groping” this young Liberal influencer.
Voters have commented that this video is “strange” and that “Booker can’t keep his hands off the kid, sick” this strange interaction appears to be confusing for voters of both parties.
https://tinyurl.com/43e5247m
Posted by: Mister Ghost at March 06, 2025 01:08 PM (TGPs7)
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Plenty of people said this when he hit China with tariffs in his first term, prices didn't rise, china absorbed the cost. Biden kept many of those tariffs by the way. Sure there's a point where they won't absorb the cost, but there is also a point where it's shut down production or make less money..
Posted by: Inogame at March 06, 2025 01:06 PM (53oGX)
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Also, the dollar strengthened against the other currencies -- meaning we had more buying power and were able to purchase more product for the bang of the buck.
Posted by: Inogame at March 06, 2025 01:06 PM (53oGX)
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Also, the dollar strengthened against the other currencies -- meaning we had more buying power and were able to purchase more product for the bang of the buck.
Posted by: ShainS -- America is my favorite drama - I cancelled Amazon Prime at March 06, 2025 01:08 PM (KRNKG)
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@ 72
The Atlanta Fed tracker now predicts negative GDP growth for Q1 this year, the jobs report yesterday was abysmal, and inflation is rising. Trump's doing all this in exchange for nothing, don't give me this "negotiation", "leverage" bullshit.
Posted by: deepelemblues
OMG! We're all going to die!!! Take your ping pong paddle and go away.
The Atlanta Fed tracker now predicts negative GDP growth for Q1 this year, the jobs report yesterday was abysmal, and inflation is rising. Trump's doing all this in exchange for nothing, don't give me this "negotiation", "leverage" bullshit.
Posted by: deepelemblues
OMG! We're all going to die!!! Take your ping pong paddle and go away.
Posted by: Cheri at March 06, 2025 01:08 PM (oiNtH)
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271 Laura Loomer
@LauraLoomer
I am on the scene at the Corry Station in Pensacola, FL
****
That lunatic lives near me?
Anyway, as I posted above, it appears to have been a false report. The building was swept and no evidence of a shooting was found. They are re-sweeping just to be sure.
@LauraLoomer
I am on the scene at the Corry Station in Pensacola, FL
****
That lunatic lives near me?
Anyway, as I posted above, it appears to have been a false report. The building was swept and no evidence of a shooting was found. They are re-sweeping just to be sure.
Posted by: one hour sober at March 06, 2025 01:08 PM (Y1sOo)
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I think they brew Coca Cola in Canada, too, so they should be ok.
Using maple syrup as the sweetener gives it a strange flavor.
Posted by: Moose cola at March 06, 2025 01:03 PM (5TbUi)
Strange brew?
Posted by: Bob & Doug at March 06, 2025 01:07 PM (Aqu9a)
Beat it, hoser.
Using maple syrup as the sweetener gives it a strange flavor.
Posted by: Moose cola at March 06, 2025 01:03 PM (5TbUi)
Strange brew?
Posted by: Bob & Doug at March 06, 2025 01:07 PM (Aqu9a)
Beat it, hoser.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 06, 2025 01:08 PM (i24o9)
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How come all these lander things have to sorta crash land on the moon?
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Trump fired all the Lunar aircraft controllers.
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Trump fired all the Lunar aircraft controllers.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at March 06, 2025 01:09 PM (L/fGl)
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297 I thought it was just that shitty metric version of Coca Cola.
.....
They do sell it in liter or 2 liter bottles.
Something I think Trump should agrees just for fun along the lines of the Gulf of America, Mount McKinley, and official national language.
From now on all products sold in America may not be sold in metric volumes and must be standardized to American weights and measurements.
Posted by: Retarded American at March 06, 2025 01:07 PM (48vyG)
MAKE FIFTHS GREAT AGAIN
.....
They do sell it in liter or 2 liter bottles.
Something I think Trump should agrees just for fun along the lines of the Gulf of America, Mount McKinley, and official national language.
From now on all products sold in America may not be sold in metric volumes and must be standardized to American weights and measurements.
Posted by: Retarded American at March 06, 2025 01:07 PM (48vyG)
MAKE FIFTHS GREAT AGAIN
Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 06, 2025 01:09 PM (wtvvX)
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104 30 days people! 30 days!
Posted by: James Carville, Sphilitic Ranting
Uh, James dear...is there something I should know?
Posted by: James Carville, Sphilitic Ranting
Uh, James dear...is there something I should know?
Posted by: Mary Matalin at March 06, 2025 01:09 PM (JCZqz)
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148 This pause is not a problem, is it?? Might be a nice negotiating tool
Yeah I think that is what is going on. There are things going on behind the scenes, and this is part of them. But who knows maybe Trump just got a wild hair and decided to change his mind, I can't tell from here.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:35 PM (2VST1)
I think Mexico and their leadership cannot talk about what Trump is asking for.. at least not openly, not yet... because heads would roll. My bet is cartel cleanup. could be China cleanup too... but there could be good reasons to not address them openly.
Yeah I think that is what is going on. There are things going on behind the scenes, and this is part of them. But who knows maybe Trump just got a wild hair and decided to change his mind, I can't tell from here.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:35 PM (2VST1)
I think Mexico and their leadership cannot talk about what Trump is asking for.. at least not openly, not yet... because heads would roll. My bet is cartel cleanup. could be China cleanup too... but there could be good reasons to not address them openly.
Posted by: Inogame at March 06, 2025 01:09 PM (53oGX)
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274 I think the inevitable failure of craft breweries at large probably has more to do with people not wanting to pay $10 for a beer.
Posted by: ballistic
I've never paid close to that at any swanky joint in West Michigan. $7 for a pint of craft draft, max.
Tastes change. Younger drinkers want foofy citricy cloudy Zima-like shitty beer. Or just one between trips outside for a toke.
Posted by: ballistic
I've never paid close to that at any swanky joint in West Michigan. $7 for a pint of craft draft, max.
Tastes change. Younger drinkers want foofy citricy cloudy Zima-like shitty beer. Or just one between trips outside for a toke.
Posted by: Auspex at March 06, 2025 01:09 PM (j4U/Z)
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Biden said in December it will take about four years for us to see the benefits of his amazing policies. Can't wait.
Posted by: ... at March 06, 2025 01:09 PM (Hpe9G)
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>>DEVELOPING: Democrat and Republican voters have been left confused after this video Senator Corey Booker grabbing and “groping” this young Liberal influencer.
Intensely Heterosexual Man Behavior.
You see this all the time in High School Locker Rooms.
Intensely Heterosexual Man Behavior.
You see this all the time in High School Locker Rooms.
Posted by: Tim Walz at March 06, 2025 01:10 PM (oa1NA)
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How come all these lander things have to sorta crash land on the moon?
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Trump fired all the Lunar aircraft controllers.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at March 06, 2025 01:09 PM (L/fGl)
No, it’s a bunch of DEI flying the lunar landers. Apollo was all men, and no crashes.
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Trump fired all the Lunar aircraft controllers.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at March 06, 2025 01:09 PM (L/fGl)
No, it’s a bunch of DEI flying the lunar landers. Apollo was all men, and no crashes.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 06, 2025 01:10 PM (xNfRN)
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"foofy citricy cloudy Zima-like shitty beer"
Blue Moon. It's got pulp. I hope that's pulp, anyway.
Blue Moon. It's got pulp. I hope that's pulp, anyway.
Posted by: Can't Make gp's Shimmy Shake On Tea at March 06, 2025 01:10 PM (XArC2)
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LOL
@_johnnymaga
Hunter Biden painting sales, according to his lawyers in a new court filing:
2021-2024: 27
2024-2025: 1
@_johnnymaga
Hunter Biden painting sales, according to his lawyers in a new court filing:
2021-2024: 27
2024-2025: 1
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 01:11 PM (2VST1)
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A generation of girl bosses . . . .
My rep is a dem girlboss, Mary Kay Scanlon. She’s having a town hall to scare the district about Trump’s egregious cuts to Medicaid, or whatever her script tells her today.
I think I need to join the call and ask why she wasn’t included in their Fight Club vid.
My rep is a dem girlboss, Mary Kay Scanlon. She’s having a town hall to scare the district about Trump’s egregious cuts to Medicaid, or whatever her script tells her today.
I think I need to join the call and ask why she wasn’t included in their Fight Club vid.
Posted by: kallisto at March 06, 2025 01:11 PM (E70Gb)
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Recent developments:
Trump tells the San Fran court they ain't going to produce the head of the OPM for depos as ordered. Hearing on that set this afternoon.
CIA probationary employees are being shitcanned; called to various locations and forced to give up their badge.
Recall the judge denied the CIA DEI hires their TRO and went further that all employees could be fired.
It has not been confirmed whether they are being loaded into catapults after leaving the building.
Trump tells the San Fran court they ain't going to produce the head of the OPM for depos as ordered. Hearing on that set this afternoon.
CIA probationary employees are being shitcanned; called to various locations and forced to give up their badge.
Recall the judge denied the CIA DEI hires their TRO and went further that all employees could be fired.
It has not been confirmed whether they are being loaded into catapults after leaving the building.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 06, 2025 01:11 PM (uLKZx)
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It is my experience that brew pubs fail, sometimes twice, but generally succeed by the third owner. The capitalization is high and the person who can make it work is the guy that got it for 25 cents on the original dollar.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 06, 2025 01:11 PM (jc0TO)
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Democrat and Republican voters have been left confused
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I love when they say something is happening on "both sides".
Are you confused? I'm not confused.
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I love when they say something is happening on "both sides".
Are you confused? I'm not confused.
Posted by: ... at March 06, 2025 01:12 PM (Hpe9G)
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>>>This pause is not a problem, is it?? Might be a nice negotiating tool
We got border action within the month.
Tariffs are not merely revenue generation tools, but they can and should be used to achieve geopolitical goals.
I am satisfied to watch things play out.
And frankly, we have a lot of other things to pay attention to and be thankful for.
We got border action within the month.
Tariffs are not merely revenue generation tools, but they can and should be used to achieve geopolitical goals.
I am satisfied to watch things play out.
And frankly, we have a lot of other things to pay attention to and be thankful for.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 06, 2025 01:12 PM (i24o9)
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GNI measures wealth, not production. It's useful because you can make judgements based on large imbalances between GNI and GDP. If there's a huge infusion of foreign aid but the production is much lower, that tells you something. Similarly, it can and does capture indications of a lot of foreign involvement in an economy.
It also accounts for taxes and subsidies which are not consistently accounted in GDP.
It also accounts for taxes and subsidies which are not consistently accounted in GDP.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 06, 2025 01:12 PM (MvZ7K)
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Voters have commented that this video is “strange” and that “Booker can’t keep his hands off the kid, sick” this strange interaction appears to be confusing for voters of both parties.
https://tinyurl.com/43e5247m
Posted by: Mister Ghost at March 06, 2025 01:08 PM (TGPs7)
video leads to something else
Voters have commented that this video is “strange” and that “Booker can’t keep his hands off the kid, sick” this strange interaction appears to be confusing for voters of both parties.
https://tinyurl.com/43e5247m
Posted by: Mister Ghost at March 06, 2025 01:08 PM (TGPs7)
video leads to something else
Posted by: runner at March 06, 2025 01:13 PM (g47mK)
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anecdotally, and based on polls (spit), it does appear that Gen Z and Gen Alpha are not drinking anywhere near as much as the older generations.
My real guess as to why that is? They're the most medicated generations in the history of medication. And you should never mix benzo's or SSRI inhibitors with alcohol, despite what Lucille Bluth might think.
So I think a lot of the kids are choosing pharma medications over alcohol, essentially.
Might be healthier for them long term, I don't know. I guess we'll find out!
My real guess as to why that is? They're the most medicated generations in the history of medication. And you should never mix benzo's or SSRI inhibitors with alcohol, despite what Lucille Bluth might think.
So I think a lot of the kids are choosing pharma medications over alcohol, essentially.
Might be healthier for them long term, I don't know. I guess we'll find out!
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 01:13 PM (uCjyK)
325
Elon Musk makes Democrats make fools of themselves!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at March 06, 2025 01:13 PM (L/fGl)
326
And frankly, we have a lot of other things to pay attention to and be thankful for.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 06, 2025 01:12 PM (i24o9)
Exactly. For example being a Putin Apologist.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 06, 2025 01:12 PM (i24o9)
Exactly. For example being a Putin Apologist.
Posted by: ... at March 06, 2025 01:13 PM (Hpe9G)
327
Why would anyone be confused about Booker getting handsy with a male teenager? Booker likes gladiator movies, in that way
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 06, 2025 01:13 PM (2Km7O)
328
Exactly. For example being a Putin Apologist.
Posted by: ... at March 06, 2025 01:13 PM
It's a living.
Posted by: ... at March 06, 2025 01:13 PM
It's a living.
Posted by: Macedonian Content Farmers at March 06, 2025 01:14 PM (jc0TO)
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GDP is fake and gay, anyhow. They include all sorts of economically-destructive spending like welfare.
The way they adjust for inflation is nonsense, too. CPI is laughable, but the GDP deflator is positively nuts.
The way they adjust for inflation is nonsense, too. CPI is laughable, but the GDP deflator is positively nuts.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 06, 2025 01:14 PM (xNfRN)
330
And you should never mix benzo's or SSRI inhibitors with alcohol
But you can mix edibles with anything!
But you can mix edibles with anything!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 01:14 PM (2VST1)
331
anecdotally, and based on polls (spit), it does appear that Gen Z and Gen Alpha are not drinking anywhere near as much as the older generations.
My real guess as to why that is? They're the most medicated generations in the history of medication. And you should never mix benzo's or SSRI inhibitors with alcohol, despite what Lucille Bluth might think.
So I think a lot of the kids are choosing pharma medications over alcohol, essentially.
Might be healthier for them long term, I don't know. I guess we'll find out!
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
Everything is processed thru the liver and kidneys.
Everything.
What does the least amount of damage?
My real guess as to why that is? They're the most medicated generations in the history of medication. And you should never mix benzo's or SSRI inhibitors with alcohol, despite what Lucille Bluth might think.
So I think a lot of the kids are choosing pharma medications over alcohol, essentially.
Might be healthier for them long term, I don't know. I guess we'll find out!
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
Everything is processed thru the liver and kidneys.
Everything.
What does the least amount of damage?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2025 01:14 PM (nFDf9)
332
A South Korean fighter jet had a whoopsie daisy. They "mistakenly" dropped a bomb onto a civilian neighborhood near the DMZ.
http://tiny.cc/umdc001
http://tiny.cc/umdc001
Posted by: bonhomme at March 06, 2025 01:14 PM (lIio7)
333
193 I do not think it is possible for the US government, even at constitutional levels, to function using only tariffs for revenue.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:42 PM (2VST1)
They did exactly that for a long time...
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 12:42 PM (2VST1)
They did exactly that for a long time...
Posted by: Inogame at March 06, 2025 01:14 PM (53oGX)
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>>It is my experience that brew pubs fail, sometimes twice, but generally succeed by the third owner. The capitalization is high and the person who can make it work is the guy that got it for 25 cents on the original dollar.
The key is :
what else is there?
Inevitably, they serve food and when they start to have trouble treading water, they cut back on the quality of food that is already a secondary product.
The ones that farm out space to another biz that specializes in food the way they specialize in Beer are the ones who seem to succeed.
Same with entertainment. The Barcades seem to do better than the straight Breweries.
The key is :
what else is there?
Inevitably, they serve food and when they start to have trouble treading water, they cut back on the quality of food that is already a secondary product.
The ones that farm out space to another biz that specializes in food the way they specialize in Beer are the ones who seem to succeed.
Same with entertainment. The Barcades seem to do better than the straight Breweries.
Posted by: Tim Walz at March 06, 2025 01:14 PM (oa1NA)
335
TamponTimSockOFF
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 01:15 PM (oa1NA)
336
Also again should point out that taking the sum total of either in a vacuum is one thing, but real analysis breaks it down into the components. That can tell you things also.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 06, 2025 01:15 PM (MvZ7K)
337
288 How come all these lander things have to sorta crash land on the moon? Why don't they use big parachutes or a helicopter rotor thing and float down to a totes soft landing?
Posted by: A high school senior at March 06, 2025 12:58 PM (aBgBM)
You're hired!
-------NASA
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at March 06, 2025 01:05 PM (g8Ew
Too late. Boeing offered to hire me right out of high school. I will be designing door plugs whatever they are, beginning in three months!
Posted by: A high school senior at March 06, 2025 12:58 PM (aBgBM)
You're hired!
-------NASA
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at March 06, 2025 01:05 PM (g8Ew
Too late. Boeing offered to hire me right out of high school. I will be designing door plugs whatever they are, beginning in three months!
Posted by: A high school senior at March 06, 2025 01:15 PM (aBgBM)
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 01:16 PM (oa1NA)
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In her recent testimony against the Trump tariffs, US Senator Maria Cantwell said Washington state exports apples, potatoes and (I believe) weed. Somehow Canada was wrapped into her testimony about the tariffs hurting farmers & orchardists in particular though the state's apples are most commonly exported to India and potatoes to Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia, and South/Central America.
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Another all good until the $ is no more from the ARPA and IRA.
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Another all good until the $ is no more from the ARPA and IRA.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at March 06, 2025 01:16 PM (NFX2v)
340
I don't think anyone is confused that Booker likes to get handsy with teen boys.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 01:16 PM (2VST1)
341
Voters have commented that this video is “strange” and that “Booker can’t keep his hands off the kid, sick” this strange interaction appears to be confusing for voters of both parties.
https://tinyurl.com/43e5247m
Posted by: Mister Ghost at March 06, 2025 01:08 PM (TGPs7)
Your link goes to a post of a talk show host with some guy calling in saying Trump needs to be shot.
https://tinyurl.com/43e5247m
Posted by: Mister Ghost at March 06, 2025 01:08 PM (TGPs7)
Your link goes to a post of a talk show host with some guy calling in saying Trump needs to be shot.
Posted by: Retarded American at March 06, 2025 01:16 PM (48vyG)
342
If these tariffs were removed, Canada fears Candian dairy farmers would go out of business. What would actually happen is American diary corporations would buy out all the farmers and it would become a joint U.S. Candian conglomerate, producing and exporting more to everyone.
Posted by: El Mariachi at March 06, 2025 12:35 PM (nLFEI)
The Canadian dairy tariffs are nothing more than a sop to Quebec dairy industry. They hurt consumers in Western Canada, and also Western Canada dairy farmers, It's a fucking racket. Fuck Quebec!
Posted by: El Mariachi at March 06, 2025 12:35 PM (nLFEI)
The Canadian dairy tariffs are nothing more than a sop to Quebec dairy industry. They hurt consumers in Western Canada, and also Western Canada dairy farmers, It's a fucking racket. Fuck Quebec!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2025 01:17 PM (8zz6B)
343
Everything is processed thru the liver and kidneys.
Everything.
What does the least amount of damage?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2025 01:14 PM (nFDf9)
I don't know.
I do suspect that our bodies are well adapted to alcohol after co-existing with it for what is looking more and more like close to all of human history.
But alcohol can also be a horrific poison that ruins lives. So ...
Everything.
What does the least amount of damage?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2025 01:14 PM (nFDf9)
I don't know.
I do suspect that our bodies are well adapted to alcohol after co-existing with it for what is looking more and more like close to all of human history.
But alcohol can also be a horrific poison that ruins lives. So ...
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 01:17 PM (uCjyK)
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The ones that farm out space to another biz that specializes in food the way they specialize in Beer are the ones who seem to succeed.
Same with entertainment. The Barcades seem to do better than the straight Breweries.
Posted by: Tim Walz
Since we've normalized getting drunk & throwing axes, can we bring back Lawn Darts?
Same with entertainment. The Barcades seem to do better than the straight Breweries.
Posted by: Tim Walz
Since we've normalized getting drunk & throwing axes, can we bring back Lawn Darts?
Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2025 01:17 PM (nFDf9)
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I've looked up this Loomer chick to find things I don't like about her. It says here she thinks 9/11 was an "inside job".
I'll let you know when I find something I don't like.
I'll let you know when I find something I don't like.
Posted by: ... at March 06, 2025 01:17 PM (Hpe9G)
346
Elon Musk makes Democrats make fools of themselves!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at March 06, 2025 01:13 PM (L/fGl)
Have y'all seen this?
Oh, yeah.
He's definitely trying to pump a baybay in that there female....
https://tinyurl.com/48xfm5py
Posted by: jsg at March 06, 2025 07:08 AM (UJ+K5)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at March 06, 2025 01:13 PM (L/fGl)
Have y'all seen this?
Oh, yeah.
He's definitely trying to pump a baybay in that there female....
https://tinyurl.com/48xfm5py
Posted by: jsg at March 06, 2025 07:08 AM (UJ+K5)
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 06, 2025 01:18 PM (i24o9)
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So I think a lot of the kids are choosing pharma medications over alcohol, essentially.
Might be healthier for them long term, I don't know. I guess we'll find out!
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
It doesn't seem to be working out for them very well in terms of their mental well being.
Might be healthier for them long term, I don't know. I guess we'll find out!
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
It doesn't seem to be working out for them very well in terms of their mental well being.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at March 06, 2025 01:18 PM (YtQZg)
Posted by: But that's legal for all ages at March 06, 2025 01:18 PM (5TbUi)
349
nood
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 06, 2025 01:18 PM (i24o9)
350
That "choose your fighter" thing is so bad I just cringed myself into a singularity.
The left can't meme.
The left can't meme.
Posted by: ballistic at March 06, 2025 01:18 PM (Sa0bK)
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They did exactly that for a long time...
Not really, one of Washington's first acts was to send troops to enforce the Whiskey tax. But even if they did, they did not have the vast military we have now or the huge salaries everyone is paid.
Not really, one of Washington's first acts was to send troops to enforce the Whiskey tax. But even if they did, they did not have the vast military we have now or the huge salaries everyone is paid.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 06, 2025 01:19 PM (2VST1)
352
The Canadian dairy tariffs are nothing more than a sop to Quebec dairy industry. They hurt consumers in Western Canada, and also Western Canada dairy farmers, It's a fucking racket. Fuck Quebec!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2025 01:17 PM (8zz6B)
And I sympathize with Canada not wanting to be overrun by US companies and allowing the US to basically set Canadian policy.
So I'm fine with them subsidizing their bagged milk and putting tariffs on our normal milk.
But that should be a two way street. We also want to protect and expand our domestic industries and make some money while we're all it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2025 01:17 PM (8zz6B)
And I sympathize with Canada not wanting to be overrun by US companies and allowing the US to basically set Canadian policy.
So I'm fine with them subsidizing their bagged milk and putting tariffs on our normal milk.
But that should be a two way street. We also want to protect and expand our domestic industries and make some money while we're all it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 01:19 PM (uCjyK)
353
To alcohol! The cause of and the cure to most of mankind's problems.
Posted by: Homer Simpson at March 06, 2025 01:22 PM (jc0TO)
354
290 Do people really tune in to this hysterical cunt?
Or, is she just screaming into the ether?
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:56 PM (oa1NA)
I saw Hysterical Cunts open for L7 at Lilith Fair in '99
Posted by: the wymyn were angry that day my friends at March 06, 2025 01:05 PM (5TbUi)
They opened for Pussy Riot in '08.. that was something...
Or, is she just screaming into the ether?
Posted by: garrett at March 06, 2025 12:56 PM (oa1NA)
I saw Hysterical Cunts open for L7 at Lilith Fair in '99
Posted by: the wymyn were angry that day my friends at March 06, 2025 01:05 PM (5TbUi)
They opened for Pussy Riot in '08.. that was something...
Posted by: Inogame at March 06, 2025 01:22 PM (53oGX)
355
169 I still want Letters of Marque and Reprisal getting issued to help deal with the cartel problem.
Posted by: NR Pax at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (svLOV)
yes AND these guys- From yesterday. When Trump/BiBi hit HAMAS boom we could have a problem.. Thousands have entered the US
“I’ll give you one quick example of one of the problems that we are getting after,” Gabbard told reporters during a press conference on the U.S. southern border, adding:
From Central Asia, there were over 4,000 people who came across our borders using an ISIS-affiliated network. Our National Counterterrorism Center went through and identified those individuals. There were hundreds of them who were either known terrorists or associated with known terrorists. That information was provided to the Biden Administration.
You may remember in some of the news, a little over 100 of those people were arrested in 2024. Of those who were arrested, only eight were either deported or remained in custody — only eight. The rest of them were released back into our country.
Posted by: NR Pax at March 06, 2025 12:38 PM (svLOV)
yes AND these guys- From yesterday. When Trump/BiBi hit HAMAS boom we could have a problem.. Thousands have entered the US
“I’ll give you one quick example of one of the problems that we are getting after,” Gabbard told reporters during a press conference on the U.S. southern border, adding:
From Central Asia, there were over 4,000 people who came across our borders using an ISIS-affiliated network. Our National Counterterrorism Center went through and identified those individuals. There were hundreds of them who were either known terrorists or associated with known terrorists. That information was provided to the Biden Administration.
You may remember in some of the news, a little over 100 of those people were arrested in 2024. Of those who were arrested, only eight were either deported or remained in custody — only eight. The rest of them were released back into our country.
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at March 06, 2025 01:24 PM (x5Jut)
356
30 days until the counter revolution?
Posted by: Skip i at March 06, 2025 01:25 PM (fwDg9)
357
So I'm fine with them subsidizing their bagged milk and putting tariffs on our normal milk.
But that should be a two way street. We also want to protect and expand our domestic industries and make some money while we're all it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 01:19 PM (uCjyK)
You know, I have never seen bagged milk in Canada. Saw in Washington once, I think. Ours comes in cartons or plastic jugs. And costs close to five bucks for a 2-liter jug because of filthy Quebec.
But that should be a two way street. We also want to protect and expand our domestic industries and make some money while we're all it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 01:19 PM (uCjyK)
You know, I have never seen bagged milk in Canada. Saw in Washington once, I think. Ours comes in cartons or plastic jugs. And costs close to five bucks for a 2-liter jug because of filthy Quebec.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2025 01:39 PM (8zz6B)
358
The kabuki dance continues. Still waiting for someone to go to jail. Also enjoying our judiciary acting like Greek gods and making a mockery of democracy and voting.
Posted by: TJ Jackson at March 06, 2025 01:50 PM (OzHHo)
359
Is the pause to put more pressure on China?
Posted by: Iblis at March 06, 2025 02:05 PM (9221z)
360
I like President Trump, but it wouldn't break my heart if he was to give up this whole tariff thing - except when strategically warranted. I get the logic behind it, but it is unnecessarily freaking out the markets. The bigger and more important battles are with the internal enemies, rather than the external one.
Posted by: Seamus Moon at March 06, 2025 12:20 PM (Ab/3c)
Tariffs are also how he is going to get rid of the income tax. They aren't going to hit consumers much unless they unless the average American has tons of stuff they buy that has no US equivalent and is vital.
And screw the markets. They are supposed to be the experts not squalling cockatoos . If they are behavior modification, press the other side to eliminate fentanyl. If the tariffs are revenue based or balance of trade based, pressure the other country to find new products they can buy to balance the trade.
Posted by: Seamus Moon at March 06, 2025 12:20 PM (Ab/3c)
Tariffs are also how he is going to get rid of the income tax. They aren't going to hit consumers much unless they unless the average American has tons of stuff they buy that has no US equivalent and is vital.
And screw the markets. They are supposed to be the experts not squalling cockatoos . If they are behavior modification, press the other side to eliminate fentanyl. If the tariffs are revenue based or balance of trade based, pressure the other country to find new products they can buy to balance the trade.
Posted by: Oldcat at March 06, 2025 02:14 PM (n7h9X)
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Is the pause to put more pressure on China?
Posted by: Iblis at March 06, 2025 02:05 PM (9221z)
China has its own tariff to pressure them with. Might be that both sides are waiting to get a meeting set up for a face to face to discuss many matters in private.
Posted by: Iblis at March 06, 2025 02:05 PM (9221z)
China has its own tariff to pressure them with. Might be that both sides are waiting to get a meeting set up for a face to face to discuss many matters in private.
Posted by: Oldcat at March 06, 2025 02:17 PM (n7h9X)
362
The Canadian dairy tariffs are nothing more than a sop to Quebec dairy industry. They hurt consumers in Western Canada, and also Western Canada dairy farmers, It's a fucking racket. Fuck Quebec!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2025 01:17 PM (8zz6B)
And I sympathize with Canada not wanting to be overrun by US companies and allowing the US to basically set Canadian policy.
So I'm fine with them subsidizing their bagged milk and putting tariffs on our normal milk.
But that should be a two way street. We also want to protect and expand our domestic industries and make some money while we're all it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 01:19 PM (uCjyK)
You don't need to do both and rip off Canadians with high milk prices. You could have your local milks farms going and keep them alive and Canadians could pay the world prices. Then you could figure out why they are so inefficient. You could have the government exclusively use local dairy for their dairy purchases to give an exclusive market to the locals.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2025 01:17 PM (8zz6B)
And I sympathize with Canada not wanting to be overrun by US companies and allowing the US to basically set Canadian policy.
So I'm fine with them subsidizing their bagged milk and putting tariffs on our normal milk.
But that should be a two way street. We also want to protect and expand our domestic industries and make some money while we're all it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 06, 2025 01:19 PM (uCjyK)
You don't need to do both and rip off Canadians with high milk prices. You could have your local milks farms going and keep them alive and Canadians could pay the world prices. Then you could figure out why they are so inefficient. You could have the government exclusively use local dairy for their dairy purchases to give an exclusive market to the locals.
Posted by: Oldcat at March 06, 2025 02:24 PM (n7h9X)
363
The Canadian dairy tariffs are nothing more than a sop to Quebec dairy industry. They hurt consumers in Western Canada, and also Western Canada dairy farmers, It's a fucking racket. Fuck Quebec!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2025 01:17 PM (8zz6B)
They hurt all Canadians, since even in Quebec the 300 percent tariff means that they have a monopoly not due to being the best and cheapest producer but by law. For a tariff of 350 percent, this industry must suck pretty bad.
Now if this is a matter of 'national security' it would be better to subsidize dairy farms all across the country to provide competition than a tariff.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2025 01:17 PM (8zz6B)
They hurt all Canadians, since even in Quebec the 300 percent tariff means that they have a monopoly not due to being the best and cheapest producer but by law. For a tariff of 350 percent, this industry must suck pretty bad.
Now if this is a matter of 'national security' it would be better to subsidize dairy farms all across the country to provide competition than a tariff.
Posted by: Oldcat at March 06, 2025 02:34 PM (n7h9X)
364
Orange man bad.
He's killing me.
Good thing I only updated 2 product lines...so far.
Ugh. To think I voted for this man.
He's killing me.
Good thing I only updated 2 product lines...so far.
Ugh. To think I voted for this man.
Posted by: dananjcon at March 06, 2025 03:09 PM (8C1eU)
365
This is getting annoying. Unless there's something else going on I don't understand, either make the case for tariffs and implement them, or don't. But this yo-yo shit is getting old quick. A lot of Trump's support is willing to endure some economic pain to right the ship. They expect it.
But this vacillation and all the turmoil its causing isn't accomplishing anything
But this vacillation and all the turmoil its causing isn't accomplishing anything
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