Daily Tech News 3 February 2025

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AI systems with unacceptable risk are now banned in the EU. (Tech Crunch)

What risk, we ask.

The EU actually answers that, sort of.

"Unacceptable risk" AI is Class 4, and Class 3, which is not banned but regulated, includes AI systems for recommending medical treatment. Fair enough; medical anything tends to be regulated, and there's no reason not to subject medical AI to standards and tests.

Under Class 4, banned outright, we see:

* AI used for social scoring, where the social scores are applied outside the context in which they are calculated - e.g. firing someone because of their Reddit posts
* Inferring a person's likelihood to commit a crime unless you are the police and already have the criminal banged up because you think they done it
* Subliminal advertising, which doesn't work anyway
* Something so broad that it encompasses all advertising, which will be interesting
* Anything that can infer someone's emotional state
* Biometric analysis except when the government really wants to

So yes, commies gonna commie, and the legislation has enough holes to drive the Bagger-288 through.

Companies - anyone operating however tangentially in Europe - are expected to be in full compliance by, uh, yesterday.

Tech News

China's new AI DeepSeek reportedly cost just $6 million to train but that was after the company spent $1.6 billion on Nvidia AI accelerators. (Tom's Hardware)

My car accelerates very quickly to 60mph if it starts at 70mph.
Intel's new 255H laptop chips have 30% better single-threaded performance than the 155H. (Tom's Hardware)

Multi-threaded performance is neither great nor terrible, but that single-threaded performance, if borne out by more tests, is desktop-class.
What Okta did. (N0rdy)

What Okta did was trust the Bcrypt library it was using.

What that meant was that for accounts with very long usernames, anyone could log in without a password, because the maximum key length for Bcrypt is 72 characters.

And that bug - depending on which programming language you are using - could have been lurking there since 1997. In the author's tests, Go was the only language that didn't stumble on this - three months after the very public Okta incident.
AI sucks. I'll blame my phone. (The Verge)

The Verge proving that it's not just dumb about politics.

Musical Interlude

Disclaimer: Migraine, migraine, go away. Don't come again if that's okay.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at 04:00 AM

Comments

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1 Mornin' Horde.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at February 03, 2025 04:01 AM (O7YUW)

2 Thank you, Pixy!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 03, 2025 04:01 AM (a1415)

3 Morning all!

Posted by: Pixy Misa at February 03, 2025 04:03 AM (BLOW1)

4 Mornin'

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at February 03, 2025 04:03 AM (sAmhv)

5 Eddie Rabbit? I memba him.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at February 03, 2025 04:05 AM (sAmhv)

6 Might be time to replace Mrs VIA's MacBook Air.

She uses it mostly for e-mail, Facebook, and watching cat videos.

Any suggestions for specs, and you can safely assume that it will be another MacBook Air.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 03, 2025 04:07 AM (a1415)

7 Best Tech news on the interwebs.

She reads all those psuedo-intellectual tech rags, so we don't have to.

Posted by: Viso Latte at February 03, 2025 04:14 AM (a8p5r)

8 When shopping for something, if I see "AI" listed as a feature, I know I'm going to be paying extra for that, so... I don't.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at February 03, 2025 04:20 AM (O7YUW)

9 Migraine, migraine, go away. Don't come again if that's okay.

Having suffered those for a stretch of many years in my life (the type that required Imitrex aka sumatriptan to stop the migraine because these would just laugh at pain killers, even narcotic ones) you have my complete sympathy. Migraines are utterly debilitating and awful.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at February 03, 2025 04:29 AM (O7YUW)

10 Time to get ready for the morning walk.

BBIAB

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 03, 2025 04:31 AM (a1415)

11 Back from the morning walk. Now, resistance exercises!

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at February 03, 2025 04:40 AM (8Ke+b)

12 resist we much!

😁

Posted by: Time for a new nick. Certified dangerous radical and Trump cultist!Ketchup goes on hotdogs! at February 03, 2025 04:49 AM (89Sog)

13 Evening and morning to all the late toilers and early risers out there! Yes, it's Monday. But remember: Compared to being on the wrong side of the ground, even a bad Monday is pretty small kumquats, nicht wahr?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 03, 2025 04:52 AM (omVj0)

14 Good morning, good people. And thanks for the privilege of living in this most exceptional country. We need longer life spans in that regard.

As always, may your effort today and all other days be rewarded with maximum benefit as the leftwit fungus is rewarded with total anguish.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at February 03, 2025 04:52 AM (hKoQL)

15 Good morning, Horde. Perused the ONT and wow DOGE is in full swing and it is glorious.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 03, 2025 04:55 AM (mB6WH)

16 resist we much!

😁

Posted by: Time for a new nick. Certified dangerous radical and Trump cultist!Ketchup goes on hotdogs! at February 03, 2025 04:49 AM (89Sog)
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Are you implying that I'm so squeezably soft????

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at February 03, 2025 04:56 AM (8Ke+b)

17 F60 is an conveyor bridge used in brown coal opencast mining in the Lusatian coalfields in Germany. It is largest movable technical industrial machine in the world. It is described as the lying Eiffel Tower, making these behemoths not only the longest vehicle ever made—beating Prelude FLNG, the longest ship—but the largest vehicle by physical dimensions ever made by humankind. In operating condition, it weighs 13,600 metric tons making the F60 also one of the heaviest land vehicles ever made, beaten only by Bagger 293, which is a giant bucket-wheel excavator.

Thanks Pixy, for sending me down this rabbit hole.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at February 03, 2025 04:58 AM (DsA2n)

18 Good morning, Horde. Perused the ONT and wow DOGE is in full swing and it is glorious.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 03, 2025 04:55 AM (mB6WH)
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I was informed that Ace has now lost this site's USAID funding.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at February 03, 2025 04:58 AM (8Ke+b)

19 Eddie Rabbitt . . . his first major country single had a haunting line:

"Little Brother was never quite right;
He'd sit on the floor
And play with the dust that danced in the sunlight. . . ."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 03, 2025 04:58 AM (omVj0)

20 Any suggestions for specs, and you can safely assume that it will be another MacBook Air.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 03, 2025 04:07 AM (a1415)

A 14" Dell with a touchscreen. For less than half the price.

Yes...I am not an Apple fanboi.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 03, 2025 05:00 AM (NZsuR)

21 "Are you implying that I'm so squeezably soft????"

Can we get the rev al to chime in on this subject? If you have an extra dime, he'll squeeze it outta ya!

Posted by: Time for a new nick. Certified dangerous radical and Trump cultist!Ketchup goes on hotdogs! at February 03, 2025 05:00 AM (89Sog)

22 Good morning from the temperate patio here in Cowtown. It's a very pleasant 61 headed for 83 with lotsa sunshine and little breeze. Gotta get a crown placed on a molar this afternoon so no golf. Sigh...

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 03, 2025 05:01 AM (3Ope8)

23 Morning, 'rons and 'ettes.

Posted by: olddog in mo at February 03, 2025 05:03 AM (njnsa)

24 G'mornin' everyone!

Thanks, Pixy!

if it contains or uses "AI", I refuse to have anything to do with it

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 03, 2025 05:04 AM (KaBJL)

25 Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at February 03, 2025 04:56 AM (8Ke+b)

Did you read Daniel Pipes' latest essay. He is often pompous and wrong, but he makes a lot of (sad) sense.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 03, 2025 05:05 AM (NZsuR)

26 Hello horde
Unofficially awake since 4:30
Had a good cry and some prayers
Every day is a blessing

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at February 03, 2025 05:09 AM (Wx316)

27 Morning all!

Welp, I got nuthin'...

Posted by: Rosasharn at February 03, 2025 05:11 AM (PzBTm)

28 @24/sock_rat_eez: That's how I've been reacting to it; almost as if a skunk went off in the area.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at February 03, 2025 05:14 AM (O7YUW)

29 CNBC: Dow futures drop more than 650 points after Trump hits U.S. trading partners with tariffs.

Oops.

Actually that's not that big of drop considering the fundamental changes to the global economy these tariffs are going to cause. The real action is when Trump clobbers Europe with tariffs in excess of 10%. The same can be said for China which is currently subject to a 10% tariff.

US automobile prices are going to be most interesting to watch. Toyota, for example, builds most of their RAV4s, one of the world's most popular cars, in Canada.

Oops.

Meanwhile, the LA Communists are requiring homeowners to get a permit to go look at their property that burned to the ground. The red tape these Communists going impose to actually get started on rebuilding Is most likely going to be epic.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at February 03, 2025 05:16 AM (Q8Bj8)

30 "Little Brother was never quite right;
He'd sit on the floor
And play with the dust that danced in the sunlight. . . ."

and that little brother was me

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 03, 2025 05:17 AM (tljrc)

31 Meanwhile, the LA Communists are requiring homeowners to get a permit to go look at their property that burned to the ground.

You gotta get a permit to look at your property? That's insane.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 03, 2025 05:18 AM (3Ope8)

32 Good morning fine people. My dear departed brother loved Eddie Rabbit. He was multi-handicapped, so what ever brought him joy... Thanks for the memories Pixy.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at February 03, 2025 05:19 AM (SfhV1)

33 Morning all

Posted by: rickb223 at February 03, 2025 05:22 AM (qhsZq)

34 LOL,G&R!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 03, 2025 05:23 AM (KaBJL)

35 Had to look up Bagger-288. Cool.

Posted by: olddog in mo at February 03, 2025 05:24 AM (njnsa)

36 I guess I better get going. I'd like to catch Rev's surgeon this morning and he usually comes in early. There's been some complications. I hope they don't have to go in again.

Later, all.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at February 03, 2025 05:25 AM (SfhV1)

37 The weepy, we love America, don't deport us stories are starting, while being recorded during a protest march and holding Mexican flags.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 03, 2025 05:29 AM (mB6WH)

38 @29/Alteria Pilgram: "The red tape these Communists going impose to actually get started on rebuilding Is most likely going to be epic."

Current property tax values are only protected within a two year window, after which there's a re-assessment at current market values which results in increased revenue to the state.

Thus, expect red tape to delay rebuilding efforts by two years and a few months.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at February 03, 2025 05:32 AM (O7YUW)

39 "Little Brother was never quite right;
He'd sit on the floor
And play with the dust that danced in the sunlight. . . ."
*
and that little brother was me
Posted by: Joe Biden at February 03, 2025

***
You done all right for yourself

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 03, 2025 05:32 AM (omVj0)

40 Trump's tariff tactic is him fighting the last war. He should focus on changing the domestic regulatory environment.
Canada and Mexico are more than happy to run the US into the ground. Trudeau is bad, Carney is worse.
I predict the theme for the midterms will be correcting the excesses of Trump's vendetta.

Posted by: Accomack at February 03, 2025 05:33 AM (w9ItN)

41 Trump's tariff tactic is him fighting the last war. He should focus on changing the domestic regulatory environment.

Pity he can't do both. Oh, wait, he is doing both...

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at February 03, 2025 05:34 AM (ExV1e)

42 "Who am I ?" God will be with to do what He calls is to do. Devotional appropriate for both interested Christians and Jews . Exodus 3:1-12:

https://tinyurl.com/yc7pfzvs

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 03, 2025 05:35 AM (hvQma)

43 Good morning fine people. My dear departed brother loved Eddie Rabbit. He was multi-handicapped, so what ever brought him joy... Thanks for the memories Pixy.
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at February 03, 2025

***
Grammie, that single was "Rocky Mountain Music," I think. The lyrics mention "a swamp full of toads," but of course there are no swamps that I know of in Colorado or anywhere in the Rocky Mountains.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 03, 2025 05:36 AM (omVj0)

44 The local Fox news outlet is trumpeting the Mardi Gras-like partying that's going on in advance of the Stupor Bowl. Crowds of locals and visitors both. I think I'll do all my grocery shopping by Saturday, and not even leave my place next Sunday.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 03, 2025 05:39 AM (omVj0)

45 Posted by: Accomack at February 03, 2025 05:33 AM (w9ItN)

Refresh my memory. What products do Canada and Mexico produce that the United States absolutely can't survive without?

If you combined the economies of Canada and Mexico, how close to even equaling the economy of the United States would they come?

Posted by: Time for a new nick. Certified dangerous radical and Trump cultist!Ketchup goes on hotdogs! at February 03, 2025 05:40 AM (89Sog)

46 Refresh my memory. What products do Canada and Mexico produce that the United States absolutely can't survive without?

I think we get about 10% of our oil from Canada which is not trivial. A 10% tariff on that is going to show up pretty fast. On the other hand, it should provide plenty of incentive to start poking holes here in the USA to avoid that which is sort of the point of the tariff in the first place.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at February 03, 2025 05:43 AM (Q8Bj8)

47 I used to have a different nic, while changing the whole foreign policy landscape along with it.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 03, 2025 05:45 AM (mB6WH)

48 Good morning, Horde and Happy Monday. Now I begin preparation for next week because my wife's birthday is on the 13th.

Between that and Valentine's Day, the checking account gets beaten.

With regards to the tariffs, my annoyance is this: One of the main reasons behind it is Canada and Mexico not securing their border and allowing people and drugs to get to our country. Perhaps they could focus on that problem instead.

Posted by: NR Pax at February 03, 2025 05:47 AM (NR6c1)

49 "I think we get about 10% of our oil from Canada which is not trivial."

We have more than enough oil here in the United states. It will be coming up out of the ground very soon. We will be energy independent again with no need of that Canadian oil.

What won't change is the need for that Canadian oil to be refined. Which is going to cost Canada and not the U.S.

Posted by: Time for a new nick. Certified dangerous radical and Trump cultist!Ketchup goes on hotdogs! at February 03, 2025 05:47 AM (89Sog)

50 A nice story about lineworkers and Veterans. “Sunny Skyz” site:

https://tinyurl.com/2s3zyuu6

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 03, 2025 05:48 AM (LK2pl)

51 On the other hand, it should provide plenty of incentive to start poking holes here in the USA to avoid that which is sort of the point of the tariff in the first place.

I remember in the early 2000s when ANWR was shut down in part because "It will take 10 years for us to see any benefits."

I make no claim to being a petroleum engineer, but I'm betting technology has improved and now we have a big reason to use it.

Posted by: NR Pax at February 03, 2025 05:49 AM (NR6c1)

52 Any suggestions for specs, and you can safely assume that it will be another MacBook Air. Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

My minimum standard for a new laptop these days is a 13.8 screen, 16GB of RAM, and 512 GB SSD. And just like that you spent $1,300 If you stick with Apple.

As a comparison point, the current Microsoft Surface laptop with the Snapdragon plus CPU with the same specs runs $1080. This is directly comparable to the MacBook Air.

Or you could go with a Dell Inspiron for about half the price as CBD noted earlier.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at February 03, 2025 05:55 AM (Q8Bj8)

53 The weepy, we love America, don't deport us stories are starting, while being recorded during a protest march and holding Mexican flags.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 03, 2025 05:29 AM (mB6WH

Lol.

Wrong flag, numbskulls.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 03, 2025 05:56 AM (+iIV1)

54 A lovely instrumental and vocal version of a great old hymn: "Nearer My God To Thee". "Faithpot" site:

https://tinyurl.com/3bm6ff8a

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 03, 2025 05:57 AM (pg2qb)

55 Unknown how much, but the auto assemblers get parts from Canada and Mexico. So any interruption will shut down the auto companies.
Personally I don't think the tariffs will last, both Canada and Mexico need the USA. Talks will start pretty soon and it will end in some sort of agreement.

Posted by: Colin at February 03, 2025 05:57 AM (wlQdF)

56 Prayers for Rev. Winger and his surgical team:
And for Grammie as well!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 03, 2025 05:58 AM (pg2qb)

57 One of the main reasons behind it is Canada and Mexico not securing their border and allowing people and drugs to get to our country. Perhaps they could focus on that problem instead.
Posted by: NR Pax at February 03, 2025 05:47 AM (NR6c1)

They're so wedded to black market crime and child trafficking that they would plunge their economies into the ground to protect them. "Immigration" has nothing to do with anything.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 03, 2025 05:59 AM (+iIV1)

58 Wrong flag, numbskulls.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 03, 2025 05:56 AM (+iIV1)

I'm sure eventually whoever is paying for them to be here will provide them with the correct flags.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 03, 2025 05:59 AM (pg2qb)

59 "Immigration" has nothing to do with anything.

But it's a convenient cudgel. "We're a nation of immigrants! Why are you so meeeeeean?"

Posted by: NR Pax at February 03, 2025 06:01 AM (NR6c1)

60 But it's a convenient cudgel. "We're a nation of immigrants! Why are you so meeeeeean?"
Posted by: NR Pax at February 03, 2025 06:01 AM (NR6c1)

"I don't really care, Margaret"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 03, 2025 06:02 AM (+iIV1)

61 CBD, I haven't read Pipes for ages for the reasons you give. I assume you're referring to the article titled "Israel's Military Failure, Gaza's Dismal Future". If so, tell me something I don't already know.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at February 03, 2025 06:03 AM (cV1WU)

62 Oh, yes. Can Columbia U please expel and can we revoke the Visas of the foreign students advocating for Hamas and the Palestinians and who poured cement down the toilets?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 03, 2025 06:03 AM (yJGr/)

63 And expell the American students too.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 03, 2025 06:04 AM (yJGr/)

64 I used to have a different nic, while changing the whole foreign policy landscape along with it.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 03, 2025 05:45 AM (mB6WH)

True, but we get to "enjoy" four years of people showing up to tell us what an idiot Trump is because he's not doing the same things every other politician would do.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at February 03, 2025 06:08 AM (ExV1e)

65 60 "I don't really care, Margaret"

There are a whole bunch of ladies named Karen that are relieved that things may be improving for them.

63 And expel the American students too.

Along with prohibiting from coming back for at least five years.

Posted by: NR Pax at February 03, 2025 06:08 AM (NR6c1)

66 There probably ought to be a word for when you treat an entire foreign nation as if they were identical with their current head of government.

"Oh no, that will make Canada mad." No, it will make Castreaux and his cronies mad. Which is a good thing.

Maybe call it "synecdouche". Using one douchebag as a stand-in for an entire system. It's certainly a metonym of one kind or another.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 03, 2025 06:12 AM (+iIV1)

67 Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at February 03, 2025 06:12 AM (6K6Eu)

68 Panama’s President Jose Raul Mulino has announced China’s Belt and Road Initiative will not be renewed by his government

https://youtu.be/8Rk4RGkStUI

Posted by: Halfhand at February 03, 2025 06:15 AM (SBge8)

69 Along with prohibiting from coming back for at least five years.
Posted by: NR Pax

Just skip that last part.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at February 03, 2025 06:15 AM (sAmhv)

70 Won't it be nice when all of these AI systems are actually in-charge of all the mundane decisions humans must now make, and all we will have to do is what we're told? So, you don't even have to think for yourself, "Should I get in the boxcar?"

Posted by: Don in SoCo at February 03, 2025 06:17 AM (vH/6H)

71 Birdbath status?

Posted by: Just Wondering at February 03, 2025 06:18 AM (dg+HA)

72 71 Birdbath status?
_-_-_-_-_
Is this one of those, "The red chair is against the wall." - kind of things?

Posted by: Don in SoCo at February 03, 2025 06:20 AM (vH/6H)

73 Panama’s President Jose Raul Mulino has announced China’s Belt and Road Initiative will not be renewed by his government

Gosh, I wonder why that might be.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at February 03, 2025 06:21 AM (ExV1e)

74 I remember in the early 2000s when ANWR was shut down in part because "It will take 10 years for us to see any benefits."

Getting ANWR oil to market is the big challenge. It does look like the Purdhoe pipeline could be tapped into which could cut down on the lead time. What is certain is sitting around doing nothing is not an option as that delays getting a necessary resource into the economy and gives the Left future opportunities to shut it down again.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at February 03, 2025 06:22 AM (Q8Bj8)

75 Panama’s President Jose Raul Mulino has announced China’s Belt and Road Initiative will not be renewed by his government

https://youtu.be/8Rk4RGkStUI
Posted by: Halfhand at February 03, 2025 06:15
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Also, Panama offered free passage of US Navy vessels after Sec. Rubio met with President Mulino. This was costing the U.S. between $2.5 million to $3 million per year. This had been a priority for President Trump.

Posted by: olddog in mo at February 03, 2025 06:25 AM (njnsa)

76 @6

>>Any suggestions for specs, and you can safely assume that it will be another MacBook Air.

Purchase the Mac on Amazon and you get a discount on MacBooks ranging from 200-300 dollars.

They have a MacBook Air m3 16gb 1tb for 1499, for just 100 bucks more you can get a MacBook Pro m4 16gb 1tb.

I recently replaced a 10 year old intel MacBook pro with a MacBook pro m4 pro 24gb 1tb.

The difference in performance is astounding.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 03, 2025 06:27 AM (XV/Pl)

77 I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't want AI shoved down my throat after I've bought something.

Posted by: pookysgirl, possibly in the minority at February 03, 2025 06:27 AM (Wt5PA)

78 77 I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't want AI shoved down my throat after I've bought something.
Posted by: pookysgirl, possibly in the minority at February 03, 2025 06:27 AM (Wt5PA)
_-_-_-_-_-_
I...and how 'bout the "client-side scanning" thing. Spooky, no?

Posted by: Don in SoCo at February 03, 2025 06:31 AM (vH/6H)

79 @46/Alteria Pilgram: "Refresh my memory. What products do Canada and Mexico produce that the United States absolutely can't survive without?"

I don't know what, specifically, you can do without. Our markets are pretty tightly tied.

From the "USMCA Trade & Investment Summary" section:
https://tinyurl.com/dx3edrb6

"U.S. goods and services trade with USMCA totaled an estimated $1.8 trillion in 2022. Exports were $789.7 billion; imports were $974.3 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with USMCA was $184.6 billion in 2022."

That's a LOT of trade to disrupt suddenly. Remember when governments suddenly interfered in the markets by shutting down business and forcing everyone home and printing free money that wasn't backed by actual wealth generation, and what that did to our prices now?

Disrupting the free market flow comes at a price, and at one's peril.

We're all about to find out what we can do without... Find out as the latter part of "FAFO".

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at February 03, 2025 06:31 AM (O7YUW)

80 Hubby nec told me last week that there are not enough facilities in the US to refine the crude that we produce. Is that correct?

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at February 03, 2025 06:34 AM (2NHgQ)

81 Hubby nec told me last week that there are not enough facilities in the US to refine the crude that we produce. Is that correct?
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at February 03, 2025 06:34 AM (2NHgQ)
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IIRR, we haven't built new refinery facilities since 1979.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at February 03, 2025 06:35 AM (6K6Eu)

82 A lot of otherwise intelligent people ran their mouths off about DeepSeek only spending $6 million to train R1 to such an extent that it caused a crash on the stock market with Nvidia leading the pack on losses.

I thought it was an overreaction to another Chinese exercise in BS PR, which it turned out to be.

When will people learn that you must take everything coming out of China with a gigantic grain of salt?

If OpenAI is correct about the situation DeepSeek basically copied their model, “distilled” it, deployed their CCP-controlled App version, and then released open source versions for anybody with capable hardware to use it.

Has this not been China’s entire industrial strategy for the past 30 years summed up in a nutshell?
Spy, Cheat, Copy, Lie, Sell. Repeat.

The only difference this time is the Open Source part, but they only did that to gain praise as it was “China’s Gift to Humanity” and screw OpenAI over in the process.

If only they’d had this gift in 2019 maybe their AI could’ve told them how to keep deadly synthetic novel viruses in the lab?

Posted by: SpeakingOf at February 03, 2025 06:35 AM (6ydKt)

83 If only they’d had this gift in 2019 maybe their AI could’ve told them how to keep deadly synthetic novel viruses in the lab?
Posted by: SpeakingOf at February 03, 2025 06:35 AM (6ydKt)
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Maybe don't have sanitary protocols on a par with your local dentist's office.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at February 03, 2025 06:37 AM (6K6Eu)

84 Hubby nec told me last week that there are not enough facilities in the US to refine the crude that we produce. Is that correct?
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at February 03, 2025 06:34 AM (2NHgQ)
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IIRR, we haven't built new refinery facilities since 1979.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at February 03, 2025 06:35 AM (6K6Eu)

On the plus side, get rid of 40-50 million illegals and we'll need less.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at February 03, 2025 06:39 AM (ExV1e)

85 Byeee...

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at February 03, 2025 06:40 AM (6K6Eu)

86 83 If only they’d had this gift in 2019 maybe their AI could’ve told them how to keep deadly synthetic novel viruses in the lab?
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Good idea. We could just fully automate the lab, put it in control of an AI system, and sit back and enjoy the 'lab leaks', I mean, 'products'.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at February 03, 2025 06:46 AM (vH/6H)

87 All 3 San Diego fires set by homeless.
95% of all fires in Cal since 1990 man caused.

Blaming GlowBull Climate is just a new way for (D) to cover their bad policies and lack of care for their citizens.

Posted by: rhennigantx at February 03, 2025 06:47 AM (gbOdA)

88 mornin yall. So the lesbian Biden admin darling chopper pilot had all her social media scrubbed before they released her name. Why would they do that?

Posted by: fd at February 03, 2025 06:47 AM (vFG9F)

89 There was a published study within the last year, can't put my hands on it at the moment, saying AI is more accurate in reaching a diagnosis - and empathetic - than PCPs.

I believe it. Most PCPs seem to be more glued to making the required clicks in the electronic health records than looking at and talking to the patient.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at February 03, 2025 06:47 AM (Dm8we)

90 I don't know what to think but it's ok because I have AI to tell me.

Posted by: fd at February 03, 2025 06:49 AM (vFG9F)

91 Maybe don't have sanitary protocols on a par with your local dentist's office.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at February 03, 2025 06:37 AM (6K6Eu)

From what I understand, they couldn't even reach that level. Plus, people were apparently dumpster-diving to eat dead lab animals. Unfortunately we'll probably have to settle for eternal justice for Fauci and his fellow criminals.

Posted by: pookysgirl doesn't like settling at February 03, 2025 06:50 AM (Wt5PA)

92 Good morning!

Let's smile & be happy & strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 03, 2025 06:51 AM (u82oZ)

93 @88

>> mornin yall. So the lesbian Biden admin darling chopper pilot had all her social media scrubbed before they released her name. Why would they do that?

It wasn’t just her, her entire family had their social media scrubbed. More than likely they were TDS sufferers and leftists generally and they want to keep the fact they were leftist retards hidden.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 03, 2025 06:52 AM (XV/Pl)

94 Ask Deepseek about Tiananmen Square to get it to shut up.

Posted by: fd at February 03, 2025 06:53 AM (vFG9F)

95 Village Idiot's Apprentice

Top o ta mornin to ya, gov'nor.

You went on that walk so fast!

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 03, 2025 06:53 AM (u82oZ)

96 {{{Rosasharn}}}

We like you posting. We greatly appreciate the twirling. Except for Friday, it is not needed. Friday, we need your twirls to set the mood.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 03, 2025 06:55 AM (u82oZ)

97 89 [snip]

I believe it. Most PCPs seem to be more glued to making the required clicks in the electronic health records than looking at and talking to the patient
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And in the future, more interested in feeding the AI more(no, all of it) of your data (just put your cellphone here so that it can upload your activity data....oh, wait, nevermind, with the new upgrade that was automatically pushed to your phone, we already have it) so that the AI can make better 'care-related' decisions, freeing up the doctor to seem more patients and make your HMO more money.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at February 03, 2025 06:55 AM (vH/6H)

98 Thomas Bender

After 50 years, we are getting pretty good at figuring stuff out that the media will not report.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 03, 2025 06:56 AM (u82oZ)

99 I am opposed to DEI, and I obviously don't know the entire story of the helicopter/plane crash, but is there any reason why a woman who passed all the required training and tests with high scores and did well couldn't be a helicopter pilot?. I'm not talking about this particular case- just a general question

It's 6:55 here. Please don't jump down my throat for the question . Thanks

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 03, 2025 06:56 AM (MQJVv)

100 It wasn’t just her, her entire family had their social media scrubbed. More than likely they were TDS sufferers and leftists generally and they want to keep the fact they were leftist retards hidden.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 03, 2025 06:52 AM (XV/Pl)

I will never understand why society doesn't hold social media companies accountable for this. It's a terrible idea to automatically scrub dead people's reputations. And on top of that, we taxpayers probably paid for it in this instance.

Posted by: pookysgirl, not dead yet at February 03, 2025 06:57 AM (Wt5PA)

101 "On the plus side, get rid of 40-50 million illegals and we'll need less."

Same with food and everything else in the stores. Maybe some prices will come down.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at February 03, 2025 06:57 AM (ZmEVT)

102 @98

>> After 50 years, we are getting pretty good at figuring stuff out that the media will not report.

The most charitable reading of scrubbing her SM is simply to maintain her in a sympathetic light, a more sinister reading is they want to hide the fact that she had no business flying that bird.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 03, 2025 06:59 AM (XV/Pl)

103 And I expect her social media was scrubbed because if she worked at the Biden WH she was probably stridently anti Trump.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 03, 2025 06:59 AM (qptZt)

104 To follow up on my post at 89, I think urgent care providers are different. You're generally not going to get labs drawn there (except limited point of care testing for flu, etc.), and the good ones have to be skilled at coming to a gestalt on whether the patient looks "sick enough" to send to the ER.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at February 03, 2025 07:00 AM (Dm8we)

105 FenelonSpoke

There are a number of training indicators in the helo pipeline. These are unmentioned. If she was a great pilot, there would be signs. In my experience, good helo pilots are not shy, and the truth would be out there.

Bottom line, this was a team failure, where one key indicator, altitude, was not read correctly and action taken as they were too high.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 03, 2025 07:00 AM (u82oZ)

106 The ceiling was 200 feet. She went way above that.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at February 03, 2025 07:00 AM (ZmEVT)

107 but is there any reason why a woman who passed all the required training and tests with high scores and did well couldn't be a helicopter pilot?. I'm not talking about this
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I think the suspicion was that, due to the timing, it would not have been possible to have done all of the required training. Hard to say, early information is often wrong, and all of that confusion.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at February 03, 2025 07:01 AM (vH/6H)

108 is there any reason why a woman who passed all the required training and tests with high scores and did well couldn't be a helicopter pilot?

Nope. But when you lower standards because you have a need to show that women can do the same job, that's a problem.

I use my mother as an example. Before becoming a nurse, she started life as an EMT and a Paramedic. She had to meet the same physical qualifications as the men and kept up with her education despite color blindness and dyslexia.

(Side note: I'm not making any comment about the pilot in question or the crash. I'm staying the hell out of this discussion until the facts come out.)

Posted by: NR Pax at February 03, 2025 07:04 AM (NR6c1)

109 FenelonSpoke

Hope you, FenelonSpouse, and FenelonSon are all doing well.

Please give Jesse a kiss on the hand for me. If she has not joined the organ concert eternal. I know from you she is in a care facility now.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 03, 2025 07:04 AM (u82oZ)

110 "but is there any reason why a woman who passed all the required training and tests with high scores and did well couldn't be a helicopter pilot"

I think it's questionable that she was held to the high standards needed to be a pilot in that situation over political considerations.

Posted by: fd at February 03, 2025 07:05 AM (vFG9F)

111
Good morning, Hordians.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 03, 2025 07:06 AM (dxSpM)

112 Hadrian the Seventh

A special good morning to you. I trust you are well, and you are searching and writing without difficulties.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 03, 2025 07:07 AM (u82oZ)

113 The difference between school and life.

In school you're taught a lesson and given a test.

In life you're given a test and taught a lesson.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at February 03, 2025 07:08 AM (dg+HA)

114 fd

It was a training flight. A once a year check this evolution box training flight. As I said, a team failure. Don't load her with blame. We do not know the entire story. Even though it looks suspicious.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 03, 2025 07:09 AM (u82oZ)

115 We know from past history that the military has put DEI over competence. Maybe I'm wrong but if I am, it's because I have been conditioned to expect this is a similar situation.

Posted by: fd at February 03, 2025 07:09 AM (vFG9F)

116 Have a great day and indeed, a great week, everyone.

We are winning, so keep smiling.

Head on a swivel, and have a plan, because some people are very sore losers.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 03, 2025 07:11 AM (u82oZ)

117
A special good morning to you. I trust you are well, and you are searching and writing without difficulties.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 03, 2025 07:07 AM (u82oZ)

Much, much better, thank you. Now that the problem has been properly diagnosed, I can use a massage unit on the affected area. I also am going to PT twice a week, where I'm tortured.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 03, 2025 07:11 AM (dxSpM)

118 And in the future, more interested in feeding the AI more(no, all of it) of your data (just put your cellphone here so that it can upload your activity data....oh, wait, nevermind, with the new upgrade that was automatically pushed to your phone, we already have it) so that the AI can make better 'care-related' decisions, freeing up the doctor to seem more patients and make your HMO more money.
Posted by: Don
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We need to take insurance totally out of the picture for primary care in order to eliminate any such incentives. Should be straight up fee for service.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at February 03, 2025 07:12 AM (Dm8we)

119 Hadrian the Seventh

You need Crystal, the bubbly PT. Not Olga, Miss Smolensk of 1960, mistress of pain PT.

Now GTG.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 03, 2025 07:13 AM (u82oZ)

120 Elon derangement is rapidly approaching Trump levels. The Propaganda Press oughta worry about their collective blood pressure. Seems unhealthy to be in a constant state of panic.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at February 03, 2025 07:14 AM (v+/F5)

121 It's Merlot History Month!
I'll drink to that.

Posted by: Old Lady Emhoff at February 03, 2025 07:15 AM (dg+HA)

122 Elon derangement is rapidly approaching Trump levels. The Propaganda Press oughta worry about their collective blood pressure. Seems unhealthy to be in a constant state of panic.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at February 03, 2025 07:14 AM (v+/F5)

"Why Sky-High Blood Pressure Is Actually Good For You" - Vox, February or March 2025

Posted by: pookysgirl with tomorrow's headlines today at February 03, 2025 07:16 AM (Wt5PA)

123 Ah, media experts. Here they describe a shooting in Argentina:

"As the teen goes to open the driver’s seat door, the 78-year-old man pulls out a 3.57 Magnum pistol and fires at the boy, killing him, police said"

Posted by: fd at February 03, 2025 07:17 AM (vFG9F)

124 Sky high blood pressure. It's better than you think.

Posted by: The Atlantic at February 03, 2025 07:17 AM (dg+HA)

125 I predict the theme for the midterms will be correcting the excesses of Trump's vendetta.
Posted by: Accomack at February 03, 2025 05:33 AM (w9ItN)

Insisting on secure borders is a "vendetta"?

Posted by: Ordinary American at February 03, 2025 07:18 AM (h/ffs)

126 You get hit with a 3.57 magnum round and they will find pieces in the next county.

Posted by: fd at February 03, 2025 07:18 AM (vFG9F)

127 Salty!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 03, 2025 07:21 AM (a1415)

128 "You get hit with a 3.57 magnum round and"

That's like almost the size of a progresso soup can.

It would hurt.
But not for long.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 03, 2025 07:22 AM (a1415)

129 Does anyone ever check out Memeorandum.com? I go there to see what Propaganda links the uniparty left is reading, but this morning it is in a total meltdown

Posted by: Huck Follywood at February 03, 2025 07:23 AM (/HRq4)

130 I go there to see what Propaganda links the uniparty left is reading, but this morning it is in a total meltdown
Posted by: Huck Follywood at February 03, 2025 07:23 AM (/HRq4)

I stay away from all such sites. Anyway, it's not difficult to predict what the Left will say about anything. They're the epitome of hateful monotony.

Posted by: Ordinary American at February 03, 2025 07:26 AM (h/ffs)

131 JJ

Posted by: rhennigantx at February 03, 2025 07:30 AM (gbOdA)

132 This morning's Falcon 9 launch was moved. I'm glad I didn't wait and slept. We have two launches this afternoon and I'll post details.

Posted by: Ciampino - scrubbed at February 03, 2025 07:31 AM (KjLnc)

133 Looks like memorandum.com uses the same software as DU. Opposition research can be useful. Site is responsive, but seeing it for the first time. Seems like it's all Trump! Musk! Trump! I guess they don't realize that we've been voting for people who SAY they would do these things for 50 years or more with no progress....so, there's a bit of necessary catch-up.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at February 03, 2025 07:31 AM (vH/6H)

134 ; )

11 Back from the morning walk. Now, resistance exercises!
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at February 03, 2025 04:40 AM (8Ke+b)

12 resist we much!

😁
Posted by: Time for a new nick. Certified dangerous radical and Trump cultist!Ketchup goes on hotdogs! at February 03, 2025 04:49 AM (89Sog)

Posted by: m at February 03, 2025 08:50 AM (v0TzN)

135 Hey Pixy,

Could you be more specific about which part of the Act you're referring to with "something so broad that it encompasses all advertising"?

Posted by: Qwinn at February 03, 2025 11:58 AM (I3XdN)

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