Zuckerberg Announces "Drastic Reduction" in "Censorship;" Says "Fact-Checkers" are "Too Politically Biased," Says US Government "Has Pushed For Censorship"

You're going to see so much vindication you'll get tired of all the vindication.

Meta is ending its fact-checking program and lifting restrictions on speech to "restore free expression" across Facebook, Instagram and Meta platforms, admitting its current content moderation practices have "gone too far."
"We're going to get back to our roots and focus on reducing mistakes, simplifying our policies and restoring free expression on our platforms," Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg said in a video posted Tuesday morning. "More specifically, we're going to get rid of fact-checkers and replace them with Community Notes similar to X, starting in the U.S."

In his announcement, posted below the fold, he called out these "fact-checkers" as "too politically biased."

Bear in mind these fake "third-party" "fact-checkers" were demanded into existence by the left and the US government under Biden. They needed some supposedly non-governmental third-party censors, and the "fact-checkers" were willed into being through leftwing NGO funding and, yes, government funding.

They never existed to check "facts." They existed to provide a figleaf of plausible deniability for government-mandated censors to suppress any information the leftwing government didn't want people to know or speak about.

Meta's chief global affairs officer, Joel Kaplan, joined Fox News Channel's "Fox & Friends" Tuesday morning for an exclusive interview to discuss the changes.
"This is a great opportunity for us to reset the balance in favor of free expression. As Mark says in that video, what we're doing is we're getting back to our roots and free expression," Kaplan told "Fox & Friends."

By the way, don't think that I think Zuckerberg is a hero. I don't. He's a villain.

But in walking away from his villainy, he's conceding that the villains have been defeated.

The left is a defeated army and the deserters are streaming out of it and putting on the uniforms of the winning side.

Meta's third-party fact-checking program was put in place after the 2016 election and had been used to "manage content" and misinformation on its platforms, largely due to "political pressure," executives said, but admitted the system has "gone too far."
"We went to independent, third-party fact-checkers," Kaplan told Fox News Digital in an interview. "It has become clear there is too much political bias in what they choose to fact-check because, basically, they get to fact-check whatever they see on the platform."
Kaplan told Fox News Digital that Meta is "ending that completely" and will replace it with a "Community Notes" model similar to the one used on X, formerly Twitter.
"Instead of going to some so-called expert, it instead relies on the community and the people on the platform to provide their own commentary to something that they've read," Kaplan explained, noting that if a note gets support from "the broadest cross-section of users," that note can be attached to the content for others to see.
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"We think that's a much better approach rather than relying on so-called experts who bring their own biases into the program," Kaplan said.

More vindication: Zuckerberg and Kaplan both admit that they've been censoring the actual debate over transgenderism to favor the transgender cultists.

Kaplan also told Fox News Digital that Meta is changing some of its own content moderation rules, especially those that they feel are "too restrictive and not allowing enough discourse around sensitive topics like immigration, trans issues and gender."
"We want to make sure that discourse can happen freely on the platform without fear of censorship," Kaplan told Fox News Digital. "We have the power to change the rules and make them more supportive of free expression. And we're not just changing the rules, we are actually changing how we enforce the rules."
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Last year, Zuckerberg sent a letter to the House Judiciary Committee in which he admitted that he felt pressure from the Biden administration, particularly with regard to COVID content, and even items like satire and humor.
"The thing is, as American companies, when other governments around the world that don't have our tradition or our First Amendment, when they see the United States government pressuring U.S. companies to take down content, it is just open season then for those governments to put more pressure [on their companies]," Kaplan explained. "We do think it is a real opportunity to work with the Trump administration and to work on free expression at home."

The WSJ's write up includes this admission that the Army of Censorship lost the war:

"We've reached a point where it's just too many mistakes and too much censorship," he said.
"The recent elections also feel like a cultural tipping point towards once again prioritizing speech."
Zuckerberg directly referenced Trump several times in the video, criticizing the legacy media for their coverage of his first term in office. He also said that fact-checkers had become "too politically biased."

For his part, Trump is willing to forgive Zuckerberg and welcome him into MAGA.

In an exclusive interview with Fox News Digital, Trump said he thinks Meta's "presentation was excellent."
"They have come a long way," Trump said.

Your own reaction to one of history's greatest censors experiencing a deathbed epiphany may vary.

One thing I would say, though: He could have just quietly walked back his censorship regime. He didn't have to admit that he made a mistake -- the media companies sure don't.

And even though he minimized his own role in censorship, throwing blame at the Biden Administration and "legacy media" for demanding censorship, 1, it's totally true that Biden and Brian Stelter both demanded censorship daily and 2, it's a good thing that he's calling those bad actors out as the main drivers of censorship.

This isn't a quiet walking away from censorship; this is a loud public denunciation of it.

That is big.

I mean, he's announcing that the transgender cult has forced everyone to sing from their hymnbook. He didn't have to say that. He chose to.

This is a huge moment. I'm willing to give Zuckerberg some credit. Not a lot, but definitely some.

He didn't just desert the losing army, he came over with a chest full of secret documents from the losing army's high command.

He might also sense that the cultural shift is more profound that even we suspect. And he'd be in a position to know that, given that his company collects everyone's data and clicking habits every single day.

So, Zuckerberg—the CEO of Facebook and Meta—admits that right-wing censorship exists on his platform, and some of you STILL deny it?

If you won’t believe it straight from the CEO, there’s no helping you.
pic.twitter.com/dsBHVqtbFc
— Riley Gaines (@Riley_Gaines_) January 7, 2025

All media outlets that helped Facebook censor Americans’ speech should be shunned. https://t.co/gBCmUXS1Ez
— Mollie (@MZHemingway) January 7, 2025

Posted by: Ace at 12:08 PM

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1 As I posted earlier on this topic: The En-sane-ing of America.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:08 PM (krQz2)

2 For the establishment cucks - this is what the fruits of winning look like. If we had lost, they would have doubled down on the censorship.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at January 07, 2025 12:08 PM (ssz2a)

3 Start singing Zuckerberg, and Trump's DOJ will decide if you get to walk free.

Posted by: Eddie Baby at January 07, 2025 12:09 PM (s19xO)

4 I predict that this will have approximately zero immediate impact on me but maybe some borderline sane people can be saved.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 07, 2025 12:09 PM (ExV1e)

5 It's a start....

Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2025 12:10 PM (VE6XX)

6 If Zuckerberg can name names, he should get a much shorter prison sentence.

Posted by: Eddie Baby at January 07, 2025 12:10 PM (s19xO)

7 Total vindication.

I mean that's nice and all, but let us know when the Rectification begins.

Posted by: The Vuldronaii at January 07, 2025 12:10 PM (pIfcn)

8 This will destroy what is left of Our Democracy!

Posted by: Ripley at January 07, 2025 12:11 PM (GUOwU)

9 You're going to see so much vindication you'll get tired of all the vindication.

Wake me when we get to retribution.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 07, 2025 12:11 PM (ExV1e)

10 Take a walk on the Zuckerberg side
And the colored girls go
Do, do do do, do do

Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2025 12:11 PM (LETym)

11 Yeah, I don't buy the epiphany...

He's trying to keep himself from being federally charged and/or losing all his federal money contracts.

Only the almighty dollar and his own personal freedom and status matter to him.

That said, Donald always welcomes back those who bend the knee, even if they plan to stab him in the back later (aka - his biggest character flaw), so him saying nice things about Zuck now is totally expected...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 07, 2025 12:11 PM (exHjb)

12 Hmm, Facebook. Second look?

Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at January 07, 2025 12:12 PM (P7Iz+)

13 By the way, don't think that I think Zuckerberg is a hero. I don't. He's a villain.
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Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

Zuck: People just submitted it.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at January 07, 2025 12:12 PM (Dm8we)

14 If he can forgive Meghan Kelly he can forgive Zuckerberg.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 07, 2025 12:12 PM (6hvzW)

15 I listened to Kaplan on Fox &Friends this morning. He sounded very determined to change the culture. Let's see...

Posted by: Moonbeam at January 07, 2025 12:12 PM (rbKZ6)

16 245 Nixon called Ike the most devious man he ever knew.
Posted by: Mary Poppins'
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Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 07, 2025 12:12 PM (6hvzW)

17 I'm dubious that the deep state's interest in Facebook as a data collection point, public monitoring apparatus and censoring platform will wane as a result of this announcement.

*crosses arms and leans back*

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 07, 2025 12:12 PM (Q4IgG)

18 If Zuckerberg can name names, he should get a much shorter prison sentence.
Posted by: Eddie Baby at January 07, 2025 12:10 PM (s19xO)
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I believe that the legal tradition is that the government is in violation if it out-sources tyranny.

I don't think it speaks to the toadies pressured into it.

He was still using his personal property as he saw fit. It was DC that was acting without legitimacy.

But there could be a statute or two about colluding with the government's suppression of rights.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:13 PM (krQz2)

19 ROFL.....After THIRTY YEARS of funding... billions of dollars... the very FIRST High Speed Rail track was just put down near Bakersfield CA...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2025 12:13 PM (QAkQ3)

20 "By the way, don't think that I think Zuckerberg is a hero. I don't. He's a villain."

My oldest kid mentioned this story to me this morning. Her take on Zuck? "He's scared."

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 07, 2025 12:13 PM (LxER7)

21 If anyone actually believes Zuckerberg/Fakebook/etc have *really stopped censoring* views the Democrats don't like, I've got some faaabulous oceanfront property in Nebraska I'll sell ya...cheap!
....Zuck is entirely, totally enamored with the power of his money and fame. He showed his true colors when he eagerly collaborated with the Dem regime and the fibbies. Why would anyone believe he's totally changed his fundamental worldview?

Posted by: sf44 at January 07, 2025 12:13 PM (X9nCc)

22 Yeah, I don't buy the epiphany...

He's trying to keep himself from being federally charged and/or losing all his federal money contracts.
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Plus, his company would surrender any information asked of him were some (now) "rogue" field office ask for posting information--Meta/Facebook has demonstrated that the cannot be trusted.

Posted by: Crusader at January 07, 2025 12:14 PM (TN0g+)

23 If he can forgive Meghan Kelly he can forgive Zuckerberg.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 07, 2025

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Yeah, but Meghan has nice legs.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 07, 2025 12:14 PM (J2vNu)

24 But in walking away from his villainy, he's conceding that the villains have been defeated.

"The way you solve things is by making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing."
-- Milton Friedman

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at January 07, 2025 12:14 PM (AiZBA)

25 So Zuckerberg started working out regularly, saw Trump’s fight fight fight in Butler, admired it…. Then saw Musk cozy up with Trump, got jealous and now he’s finally coming around? Welcome to the party I guess….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 07, 2025 12:15 PM (/iXAp)

26 Well Zuck did have a nice little "meeting" with Trump.......

Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2025 12:15 PM (VE6XX)

27 Trying to avoid election fraud charges going back to 2020 at least.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 07, 2025 12:15 PM (iMpf5)

28 ‘ don't think that I think Zuckerberg is a hero. I don't. He's a villain.’

I think Zuckerbooger is a weather vane.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 07, 2025 12:15 PM (jbnUc)

29 Zuckerberg replacing fact checkers with X style community notes is a bigger win than people probably realize. He’s not only surrendering, he’s admitting Elon got it right. Also, Community Notes are wildly entertaining a lot of the time.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 07, 2025 12:15 PM (UNyXD)

30 You're right (some people), this could be a statement that he can't be pressured into doing for Trump what he did for DC.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:15 PM (krQz2)

31 Yeah, I don't buy the epiphany...

I think it was a major firmware upgrade.

Posted by: t-bird at January 07, 2025 12:15 PM (QrkKu)

32 Nixon called Ike the most devious man he ever knew.
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He may have said that, but I think Nixon believed LBJ to be the most *evil* man he ever knew.

Posted by: Crusader at January 07, 2025 12:15 PM (TN0g+)

33 20 "By the way, don't think that I think Zuckerberg is a hero. I don't. He's a villain."

My oldest kid mentioned this story to me this morning. Her take on Zuck? "He's scared."

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 07, 2025 12:13 PM (LxER7)

He sure as fuck better be scared.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 07, 2025 12:16 PM (wtvvX)

34 I mentioned near the end of the other thread that I was going to say something else about Ike.

I don't have the exact date to hand, but I believe it was in the mid 1950s that the comic strip Pogo had the character Howland Owl run for "congersman." A reporter from "Newslife" was sent to interview him and for a week or so, the strip had Owl answering questions in a parody of Ike-speak, with all of the obfuscations, repetitions and caveats. Finally, worn out by it all, the reporter asked Pogo, "Does he think the way he talks?" to which Pogo replied, "It's a concept that got me worried, too."

All of this, of course, was because artist Walt Kelly (like the execrable Herblock) was a good northeastern liberal who agreed with the Georgetown set that Ike was a doofus, a tangle-tongued dodderer who had no business in the White House.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at January 07, 2025 12:16 PM (Q0kLU)

35 If Zuckerberg can name names, he should get a much shorter prison sentence.
Posted by: Eddie Baby at January 07, 2025

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"YOU NAME NAMES!"

Posted by: Obligatory Seinfeld Reference at January 07, 2025 12:16 PM (J2vNu)

36 I still believe Zuckerberg is an alien pod, not human

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 07, 2025 12:16 PM (/iXAp)

37 Breaking:

Trump makes peace with femmy communist alien.

Sets terms as "I win, you lose."

Love to see it.

Posted by: sifty boones at January 07, 2025 12:17 PM (j+XLo)

38 Zuckerberg replacing fact checkers with X style community notes is a bigger win than people probably realize. He’s not only surrendering, he’s admitting Elon got it right. Also, Community Notes are wildly entertaining a lot of the time.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 07, 2025 12:15 PM (UNyXD)
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I agree.

At at this point, it's probably got some progs planning Scream at the Sky II.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:17 PM (krQz2)

39 this Trump presser is amazing, America is so back

Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at January 07, 2025 12:17 PM (V6W16)

40 Facebook and Google were started by CIA/DoD with taxpayer money. They should be nationalized and then the share ownership should be distributed to anyone who paid federal taxes during those years.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at January 07, 2025 12:17 PM (5IFb9)

41 Too important a news story to be Nooded:
Biden is doing more federal land grabs in Utah and CA in the name of "conservation." TWO new monuments, the largest tracts of protected land in history. This effing guy. I hope Trump rolls some of it back like he did Bear's Ears monument.

"President Joe Biden on Tuesday is set to designate two new monuments and, in doing so, establish the largest tract of protected land in the continental United States by expanding a corridor out West, the White House said.
The proclamations Biden plans to sign would create the Chuckwalla and Sáttítla Highlands National Monuments, with the first in southern California and the latter in the northern mountainous part of the state. The two new monuments total nearly 850,000 acres, according to the administration."

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 12:17 PM (gWBY1)

42 The only reason I won't say that Zuck is human filth is that I'm not convinced he actually IS human, but you have to give him credit for knowing which way the wind is blowing and trying to get out ahead of it before it becomes obvious to everyone that he's just begging for mercy. He may have even saved his company. Maybe.

Posted by: American Hawkman at January 07, 2025 12:17 PM (rM26B)

43 Zuckerberg has a spine of warm pasta. A tower of jello. A weather vane, going the way the winds blow.

What a difference in billionaires: Zuck vs. Musk

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 07, 2025 12:17 PM (vnvv0)

44 So Zuckerberg started working out regularly, saw Trump’s fight fight fight in Butler, admired it…. Then saw Musk cozy up with Trump, got jealous and now he’s finally coming around? Welcome to the party I guess….

The correlation between fitness and “dangerous right wing views” is undefeated.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 07, 2025 12:17 PM (UNyXD)

45 21 If anyone actually believes Zuckerberg/Fakebook/etc have *really stopped censoring* views the Democrats don't like, I've got some faaabulous oceanfront property in Nebraska I'll sell ya...cheap!
....Zuck is entirely, totally enamored with the power of his money and fame. He showed his true colors when he eagerly collaborated with the Dem regime and the fibbies. Why would anyone believe he's totally changed his fundamental worldview?
Posted by: sf44
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Because Trump holds the receipts of the Dem and Deep State directed censorship programs. Zuck wants to keep owning Fakebook.

What is to watch for though is the new AI profiles being allowed on Fakebook which simply formalizes chat bot technology applied to influence people.

I also think as a business decision, Fakebook is getting out in front of what could cause them market loss. Fakebook has already probably got as much world wide coverage as it could get and it is now running the Red Queen's race to simply stay relevant to existing audiences. The yutes, for example, are already on TikTok etc. and not really interested in Fakebook anymore.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:17 PM (ctrM5)

46 I think this what they used to call Declare Victory And Go Home.

Posted by: From back in the good old Vietnam days at January 07, 2025 12:17 PM (dg+HA)

47 I don't know if Zuck is a villain or just weak and got caught up in something he should have avoided.

It's one thing to be a billionaire. It's quite another to be a billionaire in a country who definitely has a "nice business you have there, shame if something happened to it" along with the "we can put you in prison" club hanging over your head.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 07, 2025 12:18 PM (tT6L1)

48 This is all net-positive of course but the fundamental issues remain. These platforms are either publishers, or just platforms. As private entities, anything they do on their own is up to them and fine (constrained only by existing laws and contractual obligations to users/customers).

The guvamint interference in free speech is the problem, and should be dealt with directly (and very harshly), against guvamint entities and personnel. I think the MO case is that sort of action.

The oligopolistic/monopolistic first-mover dominance of a few platforms is the real problem (of course made much more problematic by a populace not generally given to critical thinking, and poorly educated and unworldly).

Posted by: rhomboid at January 07, 2025 12:18 PM (1m82a)

49 The permanent bureaucracies that form the actual governments around the world will never give up on their efforts to take the rights of the people. They must be composted.

Posted by: Oglebay at January 07, 2025 12:18 PM (7fVdQ)

50 OT: these twits in the press are getting smacked around hard. It is SO good to watch again.

Posted by: t-bird at January 07, 2025 12:18 PM (QrkKu)

51 He looks more like a human without that bizzaro haircut.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 07, 2025 12:18 PM (6hvzW)

52 That anti-Biden bastard! I'm cancelling my WaPo subscription!!!

He does own WaPo, doesn't he??

Still. I don't care; they must be punished!

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 07, 2025 12:18 PM (iMpf5)

53 I still believe Zuckerberg is an alien pod, not human
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 07, 2025 12:16 PM (/iXAp)

Rush called him "Robot Butler".

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at January 07, 2025 12:19 PM (AiZBA)

54 All take all the "victories" I can get ...

Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2025 12:19 PM (VE6XX)

55 ROFL.....After THIRTY YEARS of funding... billions of dollars... the very FIRST High Speed Rail track was just put down near Bakersfield CA...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2025 12:13 PM (QAkQ3)

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Great! Now the high speed rail goes from Bakersfield to…this other part of Bakersfield.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 07, 2025 12:20 PM (u73oe)

56 43 Zuckerberg has a spine of warm pasta. A tower of jello. A weather vane, going the way the winds blow.

What a difference in billionaires: Zuck vs. Musk
Posted by: JM in Ill
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Most people are like that (see Jack Dorsey who was supposedly CEO of Twitter again but it was run by the Deep State and executives at Twitter that were globalist censors).

But, it begins to isolate Bill Gates and his far more deadly mucking around with diseases and pedo activities.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:20 PM (ctrM5)

57 In his interview , Kaplan keeps bringina Biden administration's severe pressure on US companies, with amplification abroad, restriction on free expression , free speech. Weaponization etc. Tech CEOs did not want to go to jail, so...we ended up with censorship. It's ok, if regular people went to jail...yeah, not heroes just capitalists...

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2025 12:20 PM (g47mK)

58 Zuckerberg can read tea leaves 🍃 and see the country is tipping MAGA so he probably wants to hook his train onto it.

Posted by: Skip at January 07, 2025 12:20 PM (LETym)

59 He looks more like a human without that bizzaro haircut.
Posted by: Braenyard
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Meh, I think there's an albino gene in there.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at January 07, 2025 12:21 PM (Dm8we)

60 You're so vane!

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 07, 2025 12:21 PM (iMpf5)

61 But in walking away from his villainy, he's conceding that the villains have been defeated.
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Wounded animal.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at January 07, 2025 12:21 PM (adINt)

62 "So, Zuckerberg�the CEO of Facebook and Meta�admits that right-wing censorship exists on his platform, and some of you STILL deny it?"

Seems likes awkward way to phrase that. It should be " censorship of the right wing". Not "right wing censorship" which makes it found as if the right wing is doing censorship.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2025 12:22 PM (dsWLt)

63 So, that Missouri lawsuit is gonna win big, huh?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 12:22 PM (GBKbO)

64 >>> He's trying to keep himself from being federally charged and/or losing all his federal money contracts.Only the almighty dollar and his own personal freedom and status matter to him.
That said, Donald always welcomes back those who bend the knee, even if they plan to stab him in the back later.

Amazon is picking up the licensing for a documentary on Melania. It's hilarious to see the course correction big tech/media is now doing. But as long as Bezos kisses the ring, Donald will accept his offering, since it finally does deference to his wonderful wife.

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 12:22 PM (gWBY1)

65 They never existed to check "facts."
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Nope. They were pre-installments for the full measure under Janky's disinformation board.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:22 PM (krQz2)

66 Afternoon Ace. Stelter is losing his marbles over this decision. "More disinformation, more lies , more chaos"
It's glorious

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 07, 2025 12:22 PM (c+GDc)

67 Wheee, I'm going to resurrect my Facebook membership right now!! Oh, and monkeys are going to fly out of my butt, too!

GMAFB, Zuck, you massive lying turd. Too little, too late.

Posted by: hobbitopoly at January 07, 2025 12:22 PM (k9OZB)

68 Kaplan's comment about the US leading the way in a return to free speech rights as a way to pressure other governments around the world to do the same also seemed to be a shot across the bow to those other nations.

Posted by: Moonbeam at January 07, 2025 12:23 PM (rbKZ6)

69 This 3 minute video tells the story

https://youtu.be/7x_DvlmyfVA

Posted by: Data Is Beautiful at January 07, 2025 12:23 PM (dg+HA)

70 You're so vane!

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 07, 2025 12:21 PM (iMpf5)
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Is this post about me?

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:23 PM (krQz2)

71 43 Zuckerberg has a spine of warm pasta. A tower of jello. A weather vane, going the way the winds blow.

What a difference in billionaires: Zuck vs. Musk

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 07, 2025 12:17 PM (vnvv0)

Zuck lucked out in building a social media system at just the right time.

Elon builds THINGS, which is much, much more complicated. Twitter, for him, was something to buy and fix, to support his main mission.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 07, 2025 12:23 PM (wtvvX)

72 The oligopolistic/monopolistic first-mover dominance of a few platforms is the real problem (of course made much more problematic by a populace not generally given to critical thinking, and poorly educated and unworldly).
Posted by: rhomboid
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We already have the legal framework to deal with it. Utilities are publicly regulated such as light, power, water, and telecom by local, state, and federal governments. Internet social media on global scales need to be treated as public utilities nowadays by regulators and that is beginning to be so.

The alternative is vigorous trust busting and banning new acquisitions of existing companies and forcing existing companies to stagnate so that others can leap frog them via technological advances.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:24 PM (ctrM5)

73 You're so vane!

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 07, 2025 12:21 PM (iMpf5)
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Is this post about me?
Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:23 PM (krQz2)

I thought Carly Simon finally admitted that song was about Warren Beatty….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 07, 2025 12:24 PM (k0PcD)

74 Kaplan's comment about the US leading the way in a return to free speech rights as a way to pressure other governments around the world to do the same also seemed to be a shot across the bow to those other nations.
Posted by: Moonbeam at January 07, 2025 12:23 PM (rbKZ6)

I hope so.

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2025 12:24 PM (g47mK)

75 But in walking away from his villainy, he's conceding that the villains have been defeated.
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"Curse you, Perry the Platypus!" -- Zuck

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:25 PM (krQz2)

76 If Zuck thinks government censorship is bad, he should publish all of the communications sent by the CDC lady that was censoring on Twitter.

Let's see what the government was saying!

Otherwise, you are NOT repenting your past sins of censorship.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at January 07, 2025 12:25 PM (HlyYF)

77 Wow, Zuckerberg is looking . . . Human. Like he gets sun and talks to people, and is exposed to animal dander and makes all sorts of dangerous lifestyle choices.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 07, 2025 12:25 PM (D7oie)

78 73 You're so vane!

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 07, 2025 12:21 PM (iMpf5)

Not sure I can weather this....

Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2025 12:25 PM (VE6XX)

79 66 Afternoon Ace. Stelter is losing his marbles over this decision. "More disinformation, more lies , more chaos"
It's glorious

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 07, 2025 12:22 PM (c+GDc)

How can he lose what he doesn't have?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 07, 2025 12:25 PM (wtvvX)

80 I thought Carly Simon finally admitted that song was about Warren Beatty….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 07, 2025 12:24 PM (k0PcD)
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I knew that. I just still think it's about me.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:26 PM (krQz2)

81 You probably think this post is about you, don't you?

Posted by: You're scarf it was apricot at January 07, 2025 12:26 PM (dg+HA)

82 Okay, yes, we went too far. We're fixing that now.

Posted by: El Guapo at January 07, 2025 12:26 PM (Aqu9a)

83 You're so vane!

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 07, 2025 12:21 PM (iMpf5)
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Is this post about me?
Posted by: Axeman

Probly.

Posted by: Carly at January 07, 2025 12:26 PM (w9Wax)

84 Zuck lucked out in building a social media system at just the right time.

Elon builds THINGS, which is much, much more complicated. Twitter, for him, was something to buy and fix, to support his main mission.
Posted by: Tex Lovera
======
Zuck did no such thing. Look up Life Log as a DARPA project that essentially wanted the same things that Fakebook did. Fakebook went public and Life Log was cancelled almost simultaneously.

Zuck was always in partnership with the Deep State which is why he curries favor with whoever is running the Deep State at the time.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:26 PM (ctrM5)

85 Sounds like Zuck is drinking Tigers Blood.

So much winning, that I was never tired of by the way.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 07, 2025 12:26 PM (XV/Pl)

86 You're so vane!

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 07, 2025 12:21 PM (iMpf5)

Not sure I can weather this....
Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2025 12:25 PM (VE6XX)
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You must look for a True North.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:26 PM (krQz2)

87
But, it begins to isolate Bill Gates and his far more deadly mucking around with diseases and pedo activities.
Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:20 PM (ctrM5)

Ah, yes. Would love to see the tables turned on Gates and his ilk. Pinching myself -- how close we came to a Harris hell on earth.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 07, 2025 12:26 PM (5wSwv)

88 He knows which way the wind is blowing...

Posted by: Like a weather vein at January 07, 2025 12:27 PM (dg+HA)

89 The left is a defeated army and the deserters are streaming out of it and putting on the uniforms of the winning side."

I like that phrase, I like it a lot. That's why we're not seeing riots and "insurrection", all the leaders who have any pull are quitting.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 07, 2025 12:27 PM (wyMQY)

90 Information is REALLY hard to control.

Despite having Big Tech and 95% of the media in their pockets, the establishment still had to shut down ballot counting across six states in the middle of the night to ballot box stuff like Tammany Hall to barely give Biden a victory.

And it's going to end up being a Pyrrhic victory.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 12:27 PM (GBKbO)

91 But ace, David French assured me that Facebook and others were doing this voluntarily and so it not only wasn't inhibiting free speech, it was Facebook being very responsible about exercising their own free speech rights.

Of course, this argument would have been more effective if French didn't have to take Biden's dick out of his mouth in order to make the argument.

Posted by: Wally at January 07, 2025 12:27 PM (bgg5T)

92 My take on Zuck is he's made all the money he could ever spend, Meta is sputtering and the world hates him. Time for a makeover.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at January 07, 2025 12:27 PM (wBaIH)

93 >>>6 Afternoon Ace. Stelter is losing his marbles over this decision. "More disinformation, more lies , more chaos"
It's glorious

that's awesome, thank you!

Posted by: ace at January 07, 2025 12:28 PM (KRtlO)

94 Oh, no!

Router reset gets my old hashtag!

Posted by: andycanuck (iMpf5) at January 07, 2025 12:28 PM (iMpf5)

95 This is a huge moment. I'm willing to give Zuckerberg some credit. Not a lot, but definitely some.

Agreed, but I've curtailed my social media exposure quite a bit since the COVID hoax. Most of my contacts have similarly moved on. We text each other now. We don't need no stinkin platform..

Posted by: Joe Kidd at January 07, 2025 12:28 PM (IY+he)

96 You're so vane!
Posted by: andycanuck
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**vain**

😜🤗😁

Posted by: lin-duh at January 07, 2025 12:28 PM (YDB6U)

97 76 If Zuck thinks government censorship is bad, he should publish all of the communications sent by the CDC lady that was censoring on Twitter.

Let's see what the government was saying!

Otherwise, you are NOT repenting your past sins of censorship.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
======
A good CEO gets out in front of bad PR to come. But repentance is unlikely, it is more that Zuck may argue duress. If you consider him a personality type like Albert Speer, you would probably be correct.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:28 PM (ctrM5)

98 Information is REALLY hard to control.
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You can't stop the signal, Mal!

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:28 PM (krQz2)

99 >>> 44 So Zuckerberg started working out regularly, saw Trump’s fight fight fight in Butler, admired it…. Then saw Musk cozy up with Trump, got jealous and now he’s finally coming around? Welcome to the party I guess….

I keep waiting to hear updates on their supposed cage match. It has been noted that if they ever get in the ring together, Elon has the upper hand on weight and build, and a black belt in BJJ, beating out Zuck's blue belt in BJJ. But Zuck has been incredibly dedicated to learning martial arts and has caught up fast. I'm not sure picking one over the other is a safe bet.

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 12:29 PM (gWBY1)

100 Now I am pee

Posted by: andycanuck (iMpf5) at January 07, 2025 12:29 PM (iMpf5)

101 There must be some really bad shit about to go down on the left side of the isle.

Trump is only going to be president for 4 years. They could resist, wait it out, even tone it down for a bit.

To me, this feels like a whole lot of stuff is going to be released. From epstien and diddy lists to criminality at the DOJ level - it almost seems like its made clear that this isn't going to be some 4 year run. People are going down and you don't want to be associated with them.

Posted by: RealityMain at January 07, 2025 12:29 PM (D4Fx5)

102 Great! Now the high speed rail goes from Bakersfield to…this other part of Bakersfield.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 07, 2025 12:20 PM (u73oe)

They have enough track to get up to the high speed of 25 mph before they have to slow down again.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 07, 2025 12:29 PM (wyMQY)

103 My take on Zuck is he's made all the money he could ever spend, Meta is sputtering and the world hates him. Time for a makeover.

Proving once again that money can't buy love. Zuck wants to be Elon so badly he can taste it.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 12:29 PM (xCA6C)

104 Dear Zuck.... nice Mea Culpa AFTER THE FUCKING ELECTION.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2025 12:29 PM (QAkQ3)

105 73 I thought Carly Simon finally admitted that song was about Warren Beatty….
===

She said it was a combination of 3 men, one of which was Beatty. She didn't say who the other two were.

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at January 07, 2025 12:29 PM (eb5mD)

106 The press corps sound like children. Not just their voices, but their questioning, too. Are these the best cadets our intelligence agencies can produce?

Posted by: t-bird at January 07, 2025 12:29 PM (QrkKu)

107 Torn...

Man walks into a police station and confesses to a series of burglaries, for which he was the prime suspect. Police say, 'we admire your pluck, son; don't do it again..." And let him walk out with no consequences???

As Ace always says...someone needs to go to prison over all of this. But no one will.

Posted by: Lex at January 07, 2025 12:30 PM (fMN7A)

108 I Meme Therefore I Am
@ImMeme0
President Trump: “We’re going to be changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America.”

https://tinyurl.com/rama863v

Posted by: redridinghood at January 07, 2025 12:30 PM (NpAcC)

109 22: "Meta/Facebook has demonstrated that the cannot be trusted." --Crusader

....Absolutely. It's naive to think Zuck totally switched his fundamental worldview from "I'll eagerly control what people who use my platform are allowed to see, obeying what the gruberment/FBI want" to "No censorship."

Posted by: sf44 at January 07, 2025 12:30 PM (X9nCc)

110 89 The left is a defeated army and the deserters are streaming out of it and putting on the uniforms of the winning side."

I like that phrase, I like it a lot. That's why we're not seeing riots and "insurrection", all the leaders who have any pull are quitting.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 07, 2025 12:27 PM (wyMQY)

I don't share this conclusion. I expect them to trot out their usual tactics. Soros still has money to burn so that cities can burn.

Plus I see much more targeted attacks on right-wing leadership in our future. I pray it proves ineffective.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 07, 2025 12:30 PM (wtvvX)

111 Now I am pee

Urinator of worlds.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 12:30 PM (xCA6C)

112 Of course, this doesn't mean I won't buy any more elections for left-totalitarians. That would be un-American.

Posted by: Mark Fuckerberg at January 07, 2025 12:30 PM (paSBy)

113 **vain**
Posted by: lin-duh

**vein**

Posted by: Jean-Paul Marat at January 07, 2025 12:30 PM (w9Wax)

114 When you control the mail, you control INFORMATION!!

Posted by: Newman at January 07, 2025 12:30 PM (dg+HA)

115 and a black belt in BJJ, beating out Zuck's blue belt in BJJ

Kamala got the gold medal in BJJ.

Posted by: Bulg at January 07, 2025 12:30 PM (77rzZ)

116 **vain**
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I think Zuckerbooger is a weather vane.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 07, 2025 12:15 PM

Posted by: andycanuck (iMpf5) at January 07, 2025 12:30 PM (iMpf5)

117 I keep waiting to hear updates on their supposed cage match. It has been noted that if they ever get in the ring together, Elon has the upper hand on weight and build, and a black belt in BJJ, beating out Zuck's blue belt in BJJ. But Zuck has been incredibly dedicated to learning martial arts and has caught up fast. I'm not sure picking one over the other is a safe bet.
Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 12:29 PM (gWBY1)
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Do not discount the mean factor. I don't think Zuck is mentally tough enough to get in the ring with Elon.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 07, 2025 12:30 PM (tT6L1)

118 My take on Zuck is he's made all the money he could ever spend, Meta is sputtering and the world hates him. Time for a makeover.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov

The best thing about both him and Gates is their security teams. They are both well aware that if things go Tango Uniform, the biggest problem they will have is their details turning on them and joining the mob.

If they aren't, they should be.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 07, 2025 12:31 PM (WXNFJ)

119 Agreed, but I've curtailed my social media exposure quite a bit since the COVID hoax. Most of my contacts have similarly moved on. We text each other now. We don't need no stinkin platform..
Posted by: Joe Kidd
======
Fakebook is by and large an advertising agency disguised as a tech company nowadays. It has taken over the yellow page and local fliers for a lot of small businesses as a way to reach customers.

Individuals using fakebook and posting their likes and dislikes online are the product to be sold to businesses that want to reach them.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:31 PM (ctrM5)

120 Now I am pee

That you, Farage?

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at January 07, 2025 12:31 PM (w9Wax)

121 102 To me, this feels like a whole lot of stuff is going to be released. From epstien and diddy lists to criminality at the DOJ level - it almost seems like its made clear that this isn't going to be some 4 year run. People are going down and you don't want to be associated with them.
Posted by: RealityMain at January 07, 2025 12:29 PM (D4Fx5)

========

The Mar-a-Lago raid was just about documents pertaining to Crossfire Hurricane.

The establishment has a whole lot to hide, and Trump has no incentive to play along anymore. We'll see.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 12:31 PM (GBKbO)

122 @106

>> She said it was a combination of 3 men, one of which was Beatty. She didn't say who the other two were.

It was a composite, much like The SCOAMF’s girlfriends.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 07, 2025 12:31 PM (XV/Pl)

123 And it's going to end up being a Pyrrhic victory.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 12:27 PM (GBKbO)

Absolutely correct and it’s glorious. 2020 still pisses me off; people should pay… Rudy Giuliani is being ruined (please Trump do something… buy him a house)…. But it is turning out better. PDJT 2025-2029 will definitely be better than alternate universe Trump admin 2021-2025 would’ve been….one example: Vance >>>> Pence

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 07, 2025 12:32 PM (YobFY)

124 >Afternoon Ace. Stelter is losing his marbles over this decision. "More disinformation, more lies , more chaos"
It's glorious

that's awesome, thank you!
Posted by: ace at January 07, 2025 12:28 PM (KRtlO)
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1. Everything the progs doesn't want to happen that happens is the worst thing. It's No Fair and Should Not Happen.

It serves only Putin.

2. Also anything that doesn't happen that the progs want to happen is ALSO the worst thing. It is No Fair and it Any Reasonable Person Should Want It To Happen.

It serves only Putin.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:32 PM (krQz2)

125 58 Zuckerberg can read tea leaves 🍃 and see the country is tipping MAGA so he probably wants to hook his train onto it.
Posted by: Skip
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and not around his neck

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 07, 2025 12:32 PM (6hvzW)

126 To me, this feels like a whole lot of stuff is going to be released. From epstien and diddy lists to criminality at the DOJ level - it almost seems like its made clear that this isn't going to be some 4 year run. People are going down and you don't want to be associated with them.
Posted by: RealityMain at January 07, 2025 12:29 PM (D4Fx5)

I'm thinking that, unless they screw it up, the reconstituted MAGA/GOP party should have a 30 - 40 year run in majority control, not unlike what happened after the first Civil War.

Democrats are going to continue to fracture, and get weaker and weaker. It's hard to realize how much they've counted on the grift to keep things going - and out of power, there's no more sweet grift to be had.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 07, 2025 12:32 PM (wyMQY)

127 Please don't tell the newly unemployed fact checkers to "learn to code". I work in IT and there are way too many leftards as it is. Certainly don't need more - especially ones that will screech and whine about Trump saying pussy.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 07, 2025 12:32 PM (N39Ws)

128 This is a great step for Meta. Adding Kaplan to replace Nick Clegg is another. Putting Dana White (?!!) on the Meta board is yet another.

However, FB has an 'independent' Oversight Board that is chock full of leftists, and supposedly cannot be replaced. Waiting to see what Zuck does here.

https://www.oversightboard.com/meet-the-board/

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 07, 2025 12:33 PM (RyohI)

129 JM in lll, is it true that Kamala would have picked Liz Cheney for secretary of defense? Her bloodlust would have led to WW3 for sure. We dodged a huge bomb, possibly literally.

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 12:33 PM (gWBY1)

130 I'll be here waiting for their apology for all the years they pissed on my head.

Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at January 07, 2025 12:33 PM (Ij2uN)

131 Wasn't Jagger one of the backup singers on that song?

Posted by: Bulg at January 07, 2025 12:33 PM (77rzZ)

132 He might also sense that the cultural shift is more profound that even we suspect. And he'd be in a position to know that, given that his company collects everyone's data and clicking habits every single day.

And I'm betting it's telling him it didn't work.

Which, the election kinda shows that, but he has it in gory detail.

Of course he's also opened the floodgates for AI-generated bullshit pages and posts to drown out content with any value, so Zuck gotta Zuck.

Posted by: Brother Tim, Keeper of the Tim Continuum at January 07, 2025 12:33 PM (OUMaO)

133 But, it begins to isolate Bill Gates and his far more deadly mucking around with diseases and pedo activities.
Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:20 PM (ctrM5)

His dengue/malaria mosquito project is insane and I haven't heard that anyone is stopping him.

Posted by: Emmie at January 07, 2025 12:33 PM (Sf2cq)

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Posted by: AltonJackson at January 07, 2025 12:33 PM (w9Ycv)

135 I'm thinking that, unless they screw it up, the reconstituted MAGA/GOP party should have a 30 - 40 year run in majority control, not unlike what happened after the first Civil War.

Democrats are going to continue to fracture, and get weaker and weaker. It's hard to realize how much they've counted on the grift to keep things going - and out of power, there's no more sweet grift to be had.

Dude! It is unwise to mock the gods. Don't jinx it.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 12:34 PM (xCA6C)

136

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 12:34 PM (xCA6C)

137 124 Absolutely correct and it’s glorious. 2020 still pisses me off; people should pay… Rudy Giuliani is being ruined (please Trump do something… buy him a house)…. But it is turning out better. PDJT 2025-2029 will definitely be better than alternate universe Trump admin 2021-2025 would’ve been….one example: Vance >>>> Pence
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 07, 2025 12:32 PM (YobFY)

=======

I seriously doubt that a 2024 primary with Trump finishing his second term would have seen Pence getting the nomination.

Boring governors tend to do really badly in presidential primaries, and even being Trump's VP, I don't think, would have helped him.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 12:34 PM (GBKbO)

138 Please don't tell the newly unemployed fact checkers to "learn to code". I work in IT and there are way too many leftards as it is. Certainly don't need more - especially ones that will screech and whine about Trump saying pussy.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 07, 2025 12:32 PM (N39Ws)

I am as well, and agree.

I was reading how elevators are getting old. Perhaps we can train these people to pull on the ropes to keep the elevators working - and stable on each floor.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at January 07, 2025 12:34 PM (VNX3d)

139 https://www.oversightboard.com/meet-the-board/
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 07, 2025 12:33 PM (RyohI)
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I'm trying to imagine Dana White having a "chat" with the chinless and chestless wonders of the FB oversight board.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 07, 2025 12:35 PM (tT6L1)

140 Awesome. I can't wait to get back on Threads.

Posted by: Shane McGwoan's Liver at January 07, 2025 12:35 PM (f2WUk)

141 I doubt this is about a culture shift.

I bet it's all about Missouri's lawsuit combined with the fact that Trump is going to be getting judicial appointments again, including, maybe, a Thomas replacement in time for the issue to reach SCOTUS.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 12:35 PM (GBKbO)

142 How in hell am I supposed to make money now?!?!

I guess I'll just have to go back to plagiarizing Ace.

Posted by: Jonah Goldbrick at January 07, 2025 12:35 PM (z5VAa)

143 I'll be here waiting for their apology for all the years they pissed on my head.

Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser

Something something the years the locusts ate.

I'll settle for being able to have a way to earn my way and a place to live with some dignity.

Would sure as fuck be an improvement, right there.

Posted by: Brother Tim, Keeper of the Tim Continuum at January 07, 2025 12:35 PM (OUMaO)

144 These "tech" people (Faceplant is like all social media an advertising company, only trivially a "tech company) are often extremely narrow in their competence, and of course depending on age products of an era/education in which core American values like freedom of expression were not imbued as before. Or they are literally foreigners with quite alien concepts of all this - that is they're authoritarians.

Even those like Gates, who actually took some amount of time and work to amass their wealth and power (unlike the instant tycoons like Zuck) are often clueless outside their narrow specialty. Will never forget picking up what I think was Gates' first book (back in the 90s) at a bookstore, and browsing through it ("The Way Ahead", maybe?). Yikes. Vapid unworldly nonsense (the parts I sampled).

I remember being a little surprised, but not shocked, having lots of tech friends/teammates at the time and knowing the peculiar limitations of so many.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 07, 2025 12:35 PM (1m82a)

145 Learn to coal.

Posted by: West Virginia at January 07, 2025 12:35 PM (dg+HA)

146
I can't think of the socialist-lib stages of denial/admittance, but a short summary is:

Facebook isn't censoring conservatives, but we will drastically reduce doing it.

Posted by: haffhowershower at January 07, 2025 12:35 PM (NMT5x)

147 Do not discount the mean factor. I don't think Zuck is mentally tough enough to get in the ring with Elon.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker
_________

Newsweak article from 2023 summarizing the bookmaker odds. Musk favored.

https://tinyurl.com/7atcydua

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at January 07, 2025 12:36 PM (Dm8we)

148 I'm trying to imagine Dana White having a "chat" with the chinless and chestless wonders of the FB oversight board.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 07, 2025 12:35 PM (tT6L1)
================
Poor kids, they're already in tears.

Posted by: Jonah Goldbrick at January 07, 2025 12:36 PM (z5VAa)

149 >>> Wheee, I'm going to resurrect my Facebook membership right now!! Oh, and monkeys are going to fly out of my butt, too!

To Zuck: A sphincter says what?

Posted by: Wayne, party time excellent at January 07, 2025 12:36 PM (gWBY1)

150 I don't think it speaks to the toadies pressured into it.

He was still using his personal property as he saw fit. It was DC that was acting without legitimacy.

But there could be a statute or two about colluding with the government's suppression of rights.
Posted by: Axeman
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Duress is the usual legal defense. Given how the Deep State likes to even hide its orders under a cloak of nat sec, Zuck would have plausible defense as 'I was just following the government's secret orders'. 'I'm not a lawyer so I relied on what the government ordered me to do.' etc.

Some caselaw on that around the First and Second World War, for example, the seizure of Bayer aspirin during WWI. Fedgov eventually had to pay Bayer GMBH for the seizure but the company that bought Bayer USA got to keep it.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:36 PM (ctrM5)

151 To loosely paraphrase Thomas Sowell, to an extent it doesn't really matter why Zuckerberg is doing this as long as he's doing it. However, a. I don't trust that he won't reverse course again if he can get away with it, b. I don't trust that Meta's community notes will be evenly promoted between Left and Normal, and c. I don't trust that this is a cover for doing effectively the same stuff as before but under some new cover.

It would be nice if he actually had a veil lifted wrt free speech and open dialog, but realistically I just hope that Zuckerberg/Meta are simply cold businessmen rather than Leftists.

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at January 07, 2025 12:36 PM (lg881)

152 Most people are like that (see Jack Dorsey who was supposedly CEO of Twitter again but it was run by the Deep State and executives at Twitter that were globalist censors).
But, it begins to isolate Bill Gates and his far more deadly mucking around with diseases and pedo activities.
Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:20 PM (ctrM5)

Tommy Kerrigan was gassing on about there being two types of ultra-rich-and-powerful, and speculating that one day the one type looks up from bankrupting nations and snorting coke off of the third prostitute of the day, and saying, "they are doing what? That's fncked up!"

Posted by: Kindltot at January 07, 2025 12:36 PM (D7oie)

153 Learn to coal.
Posted by: West Virginia at January 07, 2025 12:35 PM (dg+HA)
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I'm happy with them digging ditches. Or serving up happy meals.

#Learn2HappyMeal

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:37 PM (krQz2)

154 This was "fact-checking" in the hockey sense of "checking."

Posted by: zombie at January 07, 2025 12:37 PM (pMi6S)

155 These "tech" people (Faceplant is like all social media an advertising company, only trivially a "tech company) are often extremely narrow in their competence

I'm working as hard as I can on simulating a human. What more do you want from me?

Posted by: Zuck at January 07, 2025 12:37 PM (xCA6C)

156 @106>> She said it was a combination of 3 men, one of which was Beatty. She didn't say who the other two were.
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Thank God.

Posted by: Don Rickles at January 07, 2025 12:37 PM (paSBy)

157 73 I thought Carly Simon finally admitted that song was about Warren Beatty….
===

She said it was a combination of 3 men, one of which was Beatty. She didn't say who the other two were.
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Posted by: Brother Tim, Keeper of the Tim Continuum at January 07, 2025 12:37 PM (OUMaO)

159 Most people are like that (see Jack Dorsey who was supposedly CEO of Twitter again but it was run by the Deep State and executives at Twitter that were globalist censors).

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:20 PM (ctrM5)
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In Dorsey's defense, he just wanted to smoke meth and run his sex cult.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:38 PM (krQz2)

160 his announcement, posted below the fold, he called out these "fact-checkers" as "too politically biased."

They've really following orders. Zuck's orders. I don't believe he changed his spots willingly, but under duress after his come to Jesus meeting with PDJT.

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 07, 2025 12:38 PM (Qc9Bg)

161 That was amazing. I think Trump answered more questions and provided more commentary than Joe Biden did in four years.

Posted by: t-bird at January 07, 2025 12:38 PM (QrkKu)

162 "Boring governors tend to do really badly in presidential primaries"

Hey now. I won the primaries.

Posted by: Michael Dukakis at January 07, 2025 12:39 PM (bgg5T)

163 However, FB has an 'independent' Oversight Board that is chock full of leftists, and supposedly cannot be replaced. Waiting to see what Zuck does here.

https://www.oversightboard.com/meet-the-board/
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 07, 2025 12:33 PM (RyohI)

Isn't it what they are replacing with "community notes" , dispensing with that government controlled censorship entity entirely ? that is how I heard it.

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2025 12:39 PM (g47mK)

164 They've really following orders. Zuck's orders. I don't believe he changed his spots willingly, but under duress after his come to Jesus meeting with PDJT.

If Xi Jinping can destroy Jack Ma, Trump can at least wound Zuck.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 12:40 PM (xCA6C)

165 If Trump didn't make Zuck grovel in front of him while Trump berated him with "Am I Not Merciful!?" I and going to be sorely disappointed.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2025 12:40 PM (LkLld)

166 Afternoon Ace. Stelter is losing his marbles over this decision. "More disinformation, more lies , more chaos"
It's glorious

Shouldn't that be "Tater is losing his tots?" I thought that was Style Guide.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at January 07, 2025 12:40 PM (Q0kLU)

167 I bet it's all about Missouri's lawsuit combined with the fact that Trump is going to be getting judicial appointments again, including, maybe, a Thomas replacement in time for the issue to reach SCOTUS.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Alito, I think, is the justice that seems to be the pick to retire first. Thomas, as ranking senior justice, gets to pick opinion writers if Roberts is not in the majority so he has a bit more power.

It also depends on Alito or Thomas having health issues but justices can be quite stubborn about retirement (see Ginsberg). I think Thomas has been waiting for a long time to set his mark on law and depart from the shadow of Scalia ( I actually think Thomas is the more sound constitutionally than Scalia who was flashier in their output.) Scalia authored some really bad opinions in narrowly decided cases while I can't recall Thomas doing the same.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:41 PM (ctrM5)

168 She said it was a combination of 3 men, one of which was Beatty.

Go on ....

Posted by: PronHub at January 07, 2025 12:41 PM (w9Wax)

169 Is that gibberish up above bahasa? Sort of looks like it, or apes it.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 07, 2025 12:41 PM (1m82a)

170 They knew Harris would lose long before they kicked Biden to the curb. We were never close to Harris winning. If they wanted her to win, she would have won.
Maybe they want another set of prints on the gun for when shit goes down.

Posted by: Accomack at January 07, 2025 12:42 PM (o+CPI)

171 Trump mentioned support of Zuck and Meta in his press conference. Weird. There must have been an enormous amount of criminal data that got transferred for this to happen.

Posted by: t-bird at January 07, 2025 12:42 PM (c5wrR)

172 His dengue/malaria mosquito project is insane and I haven't heard that anyone is stopping him.
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During Covid Gates was foolish enough to wonder outloud why "we" couldn't just develop an airborne vax and drop it from the sky so people couldn't opt out.

Yeah, he's that *evil* of a fuck.

Posted by: Crusader at January 07, 2025 12:42 PM (TN0g+)

173 >>They knew Harris would lose long before they kicked Biden to the curb. We were never close to Harris winning. If they wanted her to win, she would have won.

You had me up until your last sentence.

They absolutely wanted her to win. They didn't try to murder him twice for nothing.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2025 12:43 PM (LkLld)

174 Duress is the usual legal defense. Given how the Deep State likes to even hide its orders under a cloak of nat sec, Zuck would have plausible defense as 'I was just following the government's secret orders'. 'I'm not a lawyer so I relied on what the government ordered me to do.' etc.

Some caselaw on that around the First and Second World War, for example, the seizure of Bayer aspirin during WWI. Fedgov eventually had to pay Bayer GMBH for the seizure but the company that bought Bayer USA got to keep it.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:36 PM (ctrM5)
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Plus again, he was making decisions on his company's property.

The "public forum" equation is experimental, and--as far as I know--hasn't really been tried in Court yet.

It is the government trying to "chill speech", so there's no question on the part of the government.

However, Zuck was acting on his own property--or at least the property he was given discretion over.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:43 PM (krQz2)

175
Zuckerberg may be a villain but he's definitely a coward. He should have told the US government to go pound sand but, like Catholic bishops during COVID, meekly submitted to an abrogation of his rights.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 07, 2025 12:43 PM (dxSpM)

176 In Dorsey's defense, he just wanted to smoke meth and run his sex cult.
Posted by: Axeman
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Jack was at heart, as you say, a hippy and was a reluctant return to Twitter and its increasing censorship regime. He made a few odd statements along the way that were almost like a hostage statement.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:43 PM (ctrM5)

177 >>> Please don't tell the newly unemployed fact checkers to "learn to code".

Now that Trump is returning to the WH, some fresh positions have opened up at McDonalds and as a garbage truck driver, just saying...

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 12:44 PM (gWBY1)

178 The lamentations of that rich little pussy-bitch are worth hearing.

Posted by: Roy at January 07, 2025 12:44 PM (z+ik4)

179 Is that gibberish up above bahasa? Sort of looks like it, or apes it.
Posted by: rhomboid
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Transcript of Biden's press conference.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at January 07, 2025 12:44 PM (Dm8we)

180 Zuckerberg Announces "Drastic Reduction" in "Censorship;" Says "Fact-Checkers" are "Too Politically Biased,"

Fuck you Zuck. They're just doing what you told them to do.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2025 12:44 PM (NOkyf)

181 Yeah? I'll believe it when I see it. The guy is a tech Stalinist.

I strongly suspect this is how major networks routinely and predictably and loudly and publicly "tack towards the center" every few years for PR purposes, change some stuff up to sell the facelift, and then go directly back to business as usual.

I expect Meta to continue manfully carrying the Party's water.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 07, 2025 12:44 PM (BI5O2)

182 A step in the right direction, but FAR from enough. Trust but verify.

How about Zuck give a few specifics of what they did wrong and/or got wrong? Admit that FB deliberately spread propaganda about Covid / vax, the Hunter laptop, and Jan 6 (and more). Acknowledge specifics and apologize for them - not just generalities.

Posted by: Doof at January 07, 2025 12:44 PM (2KrT4)

183 Zuckerberg thought he was a genius master mind like Lex Luthor, but now he realizes he's just some scrub like Captain Boomerang

Posted by: Josephistan at January 07, 2025 12:44 PM (y9ksN)

184 41 Too important a news story to be Nooded:
Biden is doing more federal land grabs in Utah and CA in the name of "conservation."
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States seriously need to man up and eminent domain or simply commandeer these lands and sell them to developers and administer a smaller amount of land as State parks.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 07, 2025 12:44 PM (f2lsh)

185 whig my hope is that the two worst affirmative action justices find reasons to retire, one of course could because of health reasons, not sure about the newest bimbo. Of course for this to be useful there needs to be a Senate able to confirm useful replacements, something that is far from certain after 2026.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 07, 2025 12:44 PM (1m82a)

186 Just read that Georgia GOP went on a RINO hunt and bagged Lieutenant Governor, Geoff Duncan.
He'd endorsed the peensipper.

Posted by: gKWVE at January 07, 2025 12:44 PM (gKWVE)

187 " But ace, David French assured me that Facebook and others were doing this voluntarily and so it not only wasn't inhibiting free speech"

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Also: the government has free speech rights too!!!

Posted by: Jay in PA at January 07, 2025 12:45 PM (i7Q7S)

188 130 JM in lll, is it true that Kamala would have picked Liz Cheney for secretary of defense? Her bloodlust would have led to WW3 for sure. We dodged a huge bomb, possibly literally.
Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 12:33 PM (gWBY1)

Some of us were betting that she wanted Secretary of the Interior, so that she could personally take revenge on all the Wyoming voters who disrespected her.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 07, 2025 12:45 PM (wyMQY)

189 All media outlets that helped Facebook censor Americans' speech should be shunned. https://t.co/gBCmUXS1Ez

— Mollie (@MZHemingway)

Shunned? Should be burned to the ground.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2025 12:45 PM (NOkyf)

190 A bit OT:

I misplaced Dwayne Johnson's cutting tool at the origami workshop.

I can't believe that I lost the Rock's Paper Scissors.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 07, 2025 12:45 PM (W/lyH)

191 Trading retribution for obedience? Is this what's going on here?

Obedience for how long? And on what issues?

If people like Zuck thought for a second they were in some sort of legal jeopardy, would actually be held accountable, why on earth would someone think they'd suddenly change and be subservient?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 07, 2025 12:45 PM (Q4IgG)

192
Maybe we'll have a sleeves-rolled-up, hard-hitting Congressional investigation.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 07, 2025 12:45 PM (dxSpM)

193 @166 I will accept my fate for violating the style guide.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 07, 2025 12:46 PM (c+GDc)

194 Before Biden lost, it was all "Sotomayor must resign so we can keep the seat". Now, it'll be "Sotomayor MUST hang on for another four years".

The question of judicial competence doesn't enter into it.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 12:46 PM (xCA6C)

195 The "public forum" equation is experimental, and--as far as I know--hasn't really been tried in Court yet.

It is the government trying to "chill speech", so there's no question on the part of the government.

However, Zuck was acting on his own property--or at least the property he was given discretion over.
Posted by: Axeman
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Public forum jurisprudence is a mess as it was based on activities prior to the internet but a lot of what the Deep State did on censorship is just like what they did regarding information trawling from the telecoms. Issuing orders through front men under the cloak of nat sec.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:46 PM (ctrM5)

196 They knew Harris would lose long before they kicked Biden to the curb. We were never close to Harris winning. If they wanted her to win, she would have won.
Maybe they want another set of prints on the gun for when shit goes down.
Posted by: Accomack at January 07, 2025 12:42 PM (o+CPI)

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Harris was put in place to shore up down ballot races. It appears to have worked, else the Senate majority would have been larger. Same with the House.

The Deep State went all out to destroy PDT and never expected him to have a chance, because they figured between J6 and the court cases, they had PDT wrapped up to the point he couldn't survive. The electorate saw through the BS and sent PDT back to the White House with Vance as the heir apparent. The Deep State lost, in a huge way and it will make them desperate. What they'll do next is anyones guess.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 07, 2025 12:46 PM (tT6L1)

197 " If you consider him a personality type like Albert Speer, you would probably be correct.
Posted by: whig"
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Speer spent the rest of his life in Spandau prison. Just saying.

Posted by: Cosda at January 07, 2025 12:46 PM (u7WtD)

198 194 Before Biden lost, it was all "Sotomayor must resign so we can keep the seat". Now, it'll be "Sotomayor MUST hang on for another four years".

The question of judicial competence doesn't enter into it.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Never did in the past. Ethics of justices and judges either.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:47 PM (ctrM5)

199 Maybe we'll have a sleeves-rolled-up, hard-hitting Congressional investigation.
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That's gold Jerry!

Posted by: Crusader at January 07, 2025 12:47 PM (TN0g+)

200 163 However, FB has an 'independent' Oversight Board that is chock full of leftists, and supposedly cannot be replaced. Waiting to see what Zuck does here.

https://www.oversightboard.com/meet-the-board/
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 07, 2025 12:33 PM (RyohI)

Isn't it what they are replacing with "community notes" , dispensing with that government controlled censorship entity entirely ? that is how I heard it.
Posted by: runner at January 07, 2025 12:39 PM (g47mK)

You're correct, but that transition to Community Notes will be done in consultation with this Oversight Board. The OB will not be replaced; in fact, they cannot be. They make their own appointments now. The OB interacts with Meta's Board of Directors. They were funded through a grant of FB stock, and Nick Clegg (the former leader of the Lib Dems in the UK) was responsible for appointing the OB crew.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 07, 2025 12:48 PM (/lnU+)

201 It also depends on Alito or Thomas having health issues but justices can be quite stubborn about retirement (see Ginsberg). I think Thomas has been waiting for a long time to set his mark on law and depart from the shadow of Scalia

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:41 PM (ctrM5)
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I like Thomas, but the minute he starts RGB's planking regime, he needs to step down.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:48 PM (krQz2)

202 194 All here should send the Wise Latina a box of Whitman's finest.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 07, 2025 12:48 PM (gm9Sb)

203
Speer spent the rest of his life in Spandau prison. Just saying.
Posted by: Cosda at January 07, 2025 12:46 PM (u7WtD)

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Actually he spent exactly 20 years in Spandau. He was released in 1966, failed to reestablish his career as an architect and lived off proceeds from his books.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 07, 2025 12:48 PM (dxSpM)

204 As Ace always says...someone needs to go to prison over all of this. But no one will.
Posted by: Lex at January 07, 2025 12:30 PM (fMN7A)

The American administrative state does not believe in finding scapegoats for systemic failure, and instead prefers to create policy updates, training sessions, and other administrative adjustments to refine the aim and redirect the focus of the various agencies involved.

[smug look like any untouchable puke wearing a $800 suit with an office with a door]

Posted by: Kindltot at January 07, 2025 12:49 PM (D7oie)

205 You're correct, but that transition to Community Notes will be done in consultation with this Oversight Board. The OB will not be replaced; in fact, they cannot be. They make their own appointments now. The OB interacts with Meta's Board of Directors. They were funded through a grant of FB stock, and Nick Clegg (the former leader of the Lib Dems in the UK) was responsible for appointing the OB crew.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 07, 2025 12:48 PM (/lnU+)
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Boy, that was a really dumb decision.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:49 PM (krQz2)

206 He's still a demon rat who is trying to protect his demonic platform from retribution. Never trust him.

Posted by: Cray Cray at January 07, 2025 12:49 PM (EES2L)

207 @197 Speer was released in 1966. Rudolf Hess spent the rest of his life in Spandau

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 07, 2025 12:49 PM (c+GDc)

208 You're so vane!

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 07, 2025 12:21 PM (iMpf5)
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Got to know which way the wind blows

Posted by: javems at January 07, 2025 12:49 PM (8I4hW)

209 none of these tech CEOs (excluding Musk of course) are profiles in courage, government made threats and they complied

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2025 12:49 PM (g47mK)

210 Speer spent the rest of his life in Spandau prison. Just saying.
Posted by: Cosda
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That was Rudolph Hess. Speer spent a few years in prison but then was freed. He died before all the unseemly forced work until death projects of Jews and others considered menial people that he personally directed. Speer was directly responsible and knowledgeable about their mistreatment and due for a good hanging as much as Goering or Himmler was. Speer was the architect and builder enabling the Final Solution.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:50 PM (ctrM5)

211 Speer spent the rest of his life in Spandau prison. Just saying.
Posted by: Cosda at January 07, 2025 12:46 PM (u7WtD)

That was Hess. Speer served about 20 years.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 07, 2025 12:50 PM (BI5O2)

212 I sentence Zuck to Spandau Ballet. More fitting than prison.

Posted by: Derak at January 07, 2025 12:50 PM (pnO90)

213 Zuckerberg could be covering his ass for election interference. Not sure how much I trust him.

Posted by: redridinghood at January 07, 2025 12:50 PM (NpAcC)

214 I like Thomas, but the minute he starts RGB's planking regime, he needs to step down.

Thomas has done great service to the country, but it is his time to step down. It would be the last, selfless act of a great man.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 12:50 PM (xCA6C)

215 Evil never rests and boy am I tired.

Posted by: Bill Gates at January 07, 2025 12:51 PM (paSBy)

216
Deserved to hang: Speer

Did not deserve to hang: Jodl, Streicher

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 07, 2025 12:51 PM (dxSpM)

217 That's refreshing news about Lt. Gov. Duncan being expelled from the Georgia Republican Party. Looks like he had gone all out Never Trumper, campaigning for Dems just like Liz Cheney did. I hope this sets the standard as to how all Never Trumpers are to be treated from this point on.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 07, 2025 12:51 PM (wyMQY)

218 I sentence Zuck to Spandau Ballet. More fitting than prison.

Would you consider Mannheim Steamroller?

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 12:51 PM (xCA6C)

219 But ace, David French assured me that Facebook and others were doing this voluntarily and so it not only wasn't inhibiting free speech"

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Also: the government has free speech rights too!!!

Posted by: Jay in PA at January 07, 2025 12:45 PM (i7Q7S)
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-- People who repeatedly wanted to deny the President speech rights.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:51 PM (krQz2)

220 >>> realistically I just hope that Zuckerberg/Meta are simply cold businessmen rather than Leftists.

I haven't watched season 2 yet, but someone pointed out that the irony in the fact that the Squid Game creator never planned on a second season, he only did it for the money Netflix was throwing at him for a sequel. It's ironic the anti-capitalist show has a showrunner who could be bought. In business or entertainment, everyone has a price.

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 12:51 PM (gWBY1)

221 205 You're correct, but that transition to Community Notes will be done in consultation with this Oversight Board. The OB will not be replaced; in fact, they cannot be. They make their own appointments now. The OB interacts with Meta's Board of Directors. They were funded through a grant of FB stock, and Nick Clegg (the former leader of the Lib Dems in the UK) was responsible for appointing the OB crew.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 07, 2025 12:48 PM (/lnU+)
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Boy, that was a really dumb decision.
Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:49 PM (krQz2)

The press release from the Meta Oversight Board:

https://is.gd/pfFQjJ

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 07, 2025 12:52 PM (/lnU+)

222 209 none of these tech CEOs (excluding Musk of course) are profiles in courage, government made threats and they complied
Posted by: runner at January 07, 2025 12:49 PM (g47mK)

I'm wondering how they square the circle between US ideals of Freedom of Speech, alongside EU and other countries laws about 'hate speech'.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2025 12:52 PM (QAkQ3)

223 @197 Speer was released in 1966. Rudolf Hess spent the rest of his life in Spandau
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Ok. So Zuck gets released in 2045?

Posted by: Cosda at January 07, 2025 12:52 PM (u7WtD)

224 Speer got out of Spandau in 1966. It was Hess that spent his the balance of his life there.

And Ronald Spiers of Band of Brothers fame served as director of Spandau for a time when both were there in the late 50s.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 07, 2025 12:53 PM (1m82a)

225 Zuc is not the only one, there is Bezos, there is Cook of apple. But the biggest most pernicious is google, that is really a deep state operative. now, that one need to be broken up in many tiny pieces

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2025 12:53 PM (g47mK)

226
Also deserved to hang, but accidentally not indicted in the first trial: Alfried Krupp

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 07, 2025 12:53 PM (dxSpM)

227 Many of the "fact checkers" Facebook used were funded significantly by ... Facebook.

I know specifically of the leftie favorite to launder lies into "debunked" fact checks was Raw Story.

And let's not leave National Review out of this--they loved, loved, loved their full-page, full-color, high-gloss Facebook ads so sexually they never had a bad word to say about Daddy Facebook.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 07, 2025 12:53 PM (R3Yln)

228 214 I like Thomas, but the minute he starts RGB's planking regime, he needs to step down.

Thomas has done great service to the country, but it is his time to step down. It would be the last, selfless act of a great man.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 12:50 PM (xCA6C)

I completely agree. My only condition, however, is that Thomas hand-picks his replacement. I don't trust anyone else to do this.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 07, 2025 12:53 PM (/lnU+)

229 213 Zuckerberg could be covering his ass for election interference. Not sure how much I trust him.
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I know precisely how much I trust him.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at January 07, 2025 12:53 PM (paSBy)

230 I wonder if David French is as sanguine about Trump's "jawboning" with Meta as he was when it was the Party doing the "jawboning."

I'll bet he isn't. Just a hunch.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 07, 2025 12:53 PM (BI5O2)

231 This is great. But I am worried. After yesterday when the Democrats just rolled over and certified Trump's win without any fanfare. I hope they don't have something up their sleeve. Like the judge that wants to sentenance Trump before the 20th. I'm still worried - but hopeful.

Posted by: RUReadingthis at January 07, 2025 12:53 PM (aQ25I)

232 She said it was a combination of 3 men, one of which was Beatty. She didn't say who the other two were.
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At least we know Ace isn't one of the other two. Apricot does not go well with Ewok fur.

Posted by: andycanuck (iMpf5) at January 07, 2025 12:53 PM (iMpf5)

233 I completely agree. My only condition, however, is that Thomas hand-picks his replacement. I don't trust anyone else to do this.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 07, 2025 12:53 PM (/lnU+)
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Definitely not Heritage again.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:53 PM (krQz2)

234 I like Thomas, but the minute he starts RGB's planking regime, he needs to step down.
Posted by: Axeman
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Doesn't matter what we think, it matters what the Justice thinks. Right now, even with a titular 6-3 majority, due to Roberts, Coney Barrett, and Kavanaugh, actual conservatives are only Alito and Thomas with Gorsuch as a wildcard (has a bug up his ass on some issues like trans addition to the US Civil Rights Act and what he did to Oklahoma in an Indian rights case.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:54 PM (ctrM5)

235 He'd endorsed the peensipper.
Posted by: gKWVE at January 07, 2025 12:44 PM (gKWVE)

You're gonna need to narrow that down

Posted by: blaster at January 07, 2025 12:54 PM (QfvaV)

236 All here should send the Wise Latina a box of Whitman's finest.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

https://tinyurl.com/yc58x5hm

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at January 07, 2025 12:55 PM (w9Wax)

237 Does this have anything to do with defunding the censorship brigade in the Govt?

Posted by: Inogame at January 07, 2025 12:55 PM (53oGX)

238 232 She said it was a combination of 3 men, one of which was Beatty. She didn't say who the other two were.
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At least we know Ace isn't one of the other two. Apricot does not go well with Ewok fur.
Posted by: andycanuck
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Mick Jagger sings background on You're So Vain (you can make out his voice at times) and some wonder if he was aware of the irony.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:56 PM (ctrM5)

239 And Ronald Spiers of Band of Brothers fame served as director of Spandau for a time when both were there in the late 50s.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 07, 2025 12:53 PM (1m82a)

I take it he refrained from machine-gunning his prisoners? This time.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 07, 2025 12:56 PM (Aqu9a)

240 Ah, they are ending the censorship that they said was a "conspiracy theory" in the first place, right?

Posted by: Isophorone at January 07, 2025 12:56 PM (FITO2)

241 This is particularly important considering they are going to try and push this bird flu bullshit. We need truth out there.

We wouldn't know so much about Biden and Kamala because of Twitter. And that's the tip of the iceberg.

Posted by: Seems Legit at January 07, 2025 12:57 PM (gaKF9)

242 I sentence Zuck to Spandau Ballet. More fitting than prison.

Would you consider Mannheim Steamroller?
Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 12:51 PM (xCA6C)

Full-speed Riverdance 12 hours a day?

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at January 07, 2025 12:57 PM (VNX3d)

243 As I keep saying, the biggest shocks of the next 4 years are going to be:
1) how much our government was working against us
2) how much different it is to have a government working for us.

as to 1, I don't think we have even scratched the surface of just how much censorship, lawfare, regulatory assault, just plain meanness, and every other tool they could use were deployed.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 07, 2025 12:57 PM (R3Yln)

244 Ah, they are ending the censorship that they said was a "conspiracy theory" in the first place, right?

Posted by: Isophorone at January 07, 2025 12:56 PM (FITO2)
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It's fashionable for conspiracy theories to be "right all along" these days.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:57 PM (krQz2)

245 It also depends on Alito or Thomas having health issues but justices can be quite stubborn about retirement (see Ginsberg).

I think Thomas has been waiting for a long time to set his mark on law and depart from the shadow of Scalia

Posted by: whig

Overturn NFA '34 & GCA '68 and return the 2nd Amendment to "shall not be infringed".

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2025 12:57 PM (NOkyf)

246 Retribution >> Vindication

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 07, 2025 12:58 PM (/U5Yz)

247 Speer spent the rest of his life in Spandau prison. Just saying.
Posted by: Cosda

He was lucky to not do the Spandau Ballet.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 07, 2025 12:58 PM (WXNFJ)

248 Mick Jagger sings background on You're So Vain (you can make out his voice at times) and some wonder if he was aware of the irony.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:56 PM (ctrM5)
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He might have thought the song was about him.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 12:58 PM (krQz2)

249 240 Ah, they are ending the censorship that they said was a "conspiracy theory" in the first place, right?
Posted by: Isophorone at January 07, 2025 12:56 PM (FITO2)

They are going to stop censoring the people talking about censorship...

Really....

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2025 12:59 PM (QAkQ3)

250 Hess probably should have been commuted. He struck me as a nutbar. Hitler knew he was a nutbar which is why he got sidelined out of the inner circle. Also he left on his magic carpet ride to the UK in 1941 which is before the Endloesung.

Posted by: gKWVE at January 07, 2025 12:59 PM (gKWVE)

251 243 As I keep saying, the biggest shocks of the next 4 years are going to be:
1) how much our government was working against us
2) how much different it is to have a government working for us.

as to 1, I don't think we have even scratched the surface of just how much censorship, lawfare, regulatory assault, just plain meanness, and every other tool they could use were deployed.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 07, 2025 12:57 PM (R3Yln)

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After the overturning of Chevron, I'm curious if this next SCOTUS term is going to be nearly as loud in terms of reaction as last time.

The fanfare was given to affirmative action, but I always assumed the money was behind the protests because of the loss of power that overturning Chevron represented.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 12:59 PM (GBKbO)

252 225 Zuc is not the only one, there is Bezos, there is Cook of apple. But the biggest most pernicious is google, that is really a deep state operative. now, that one need to be broken up in many tiny pieces
Posted by: runner
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I think Google is the missing party bending the knee to Trump at Mar a Lago.

Biden's FTC started anti trust actions against Google and I suspect Trump will allow that to go forward (getting Google's ad revenues might also be a factor in Zuck's volte face).

Take Android from google and it becomes a much smaller and easier to deal with company. Spinning off Chrome to a separate company with Gmail would be a far smaller impact on Google and AdSense as that is a dying market.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:59 PM (ctrM5)

253 I sentence Zuck to Spandau Ballet. More fitting than prison.

Would you consider Mannheim Steamroller?
Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 12:51 PM (xCA6C)

Full-speed Riverdance 12 hours a day?
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf

Petting the monkey and dancing with Dieter and the Sprockets for 16 hours a day.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2025 12:59 PM (NOkyf)

254 You know who took money to be a Facebook 'fact-checker'?
The Weekly Standard!

Posted by: MikeN at January 07, 2025 01:00 PM (HVZOH)

255 I sentence Zuck to Spandau Ballet. More fitting than prison.
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True.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 01:00 PM (krQz2)

256 It would be nice if he actually had a veil lifted wrt free speech and open dialog, but realistically I just hope that Zuckerberg/Meta are simply cold businessmen rather than Leftists.
Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at January 07, 2025 12:36 PM (lg881)

Neither.

He's made more money than he can spend; business concerns no longer drive him. And he certainly has no moral convictions.

Guys like him do what they do because after they're that wealthy, only more power and control can get their rocks off.

He's just making a very temporary retreat from the bailey to the motte until this moment blows over, and he'll be right back to the headlong lunge toward dominance.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 07, 2025 01:00 PM (BI5O2)

257 People only seem to care about my tip.

Posted by: The iceberg at January 07, 2025 01:00 PM (dg+HA)

258 PDT says he's going to rechristen the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America.

Posted by: Tuna at January 07, 2025 01:01 PM (oaGWv)

259 People only seem to care about my tip.

Posted by: The iceberg at January 07, 2025 01:00 PM (dg+HA)
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Just the tip?

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 01:01 PM (krQz2)

260 I heard "You're So Vein" is about Dracula.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 07, 2025 01:01 PM (LxER7)

261 >>>236 All here should send the Wise Latina a box of Whitman's finest.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

Send her sweets from a Puerto Rican bakery in the Bronx. Guava cakes?

There is a mural in the Bronx of famous black and Latino people for their kids to aspire to, and she's on it. That isn't a bad thing, to show kids there's a way out. I just wish she was as stellar a role model for that as Thomas has been... though the left and the black community have done everything they can to trash him for the son of being conservative. They sure can pick their role models.

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 01:02 PM (gWBY1)

262 No one expects the Spandau Ballet.

Posted by: Inquisitors at January 07, 2025 01:02 PM (dg+HA)

263 "Gulf of Cuba" might also work.
"Mexico" is a relic of the Aztec Empire.

Posted by: that goes for the joke of a country by that name too at January 07, 2025 01:03 PM (gKWVE)

264 Don't you dare mess with Alphabet - Fight'N Jim Jordan

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 07, 2025 01:03 PM (/U5Yz)

265 Federal Judge Aileen Cannon Temporarily Blocks Release of Special Counsel Jack Smith’s Classified Documents Report

Posted by: SMOD at January 07, 2025 01:03 PM (RHGPo)

266 I think Google is the missing party bending the knee to Trump at Mar a Lago.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:59 PM (ctrM5)
____________________________

Didn't Google get a significant portion of their start-up money from the CIA?

Posted by: Orson at January 07, 2025 01:03 PM (dIske)

267 Zuckerberg Announces "Drastic Reduction" in "Censorship;"

He just wants to see more tits.

Posted by: guy who always yells: "Show us yer tits!" at January 07, 2025 01:03 PM (v0R5T)

268 Hadrian, curious about your Nuremberg revised sentencing. Could guess at reasoning with Streicher, but any web catching Speer surely would envelop Jodl?

Posted by: rhomboid at January 07, 2025 01:03 PM (1m82a)

269 245 It also depends on Alito or Thomas having health issues but justices can be quite stubborn about retirement (see Ginsberg).

I think Thomas has been waiting for a long time to set his mark on law and depart from the shadow of Scalia

Posted by: whig

Overturn NFA '34 & GCA '68 and return the 2nd Amendment to "shall not be infringed".

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2025 12:57 PM (NOkyf)

NYT v. Sullivan

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 07, 2025 01:04 PM (RyohI)

270 I think she's already become a wide Latina.

Posted by: Caloric content at January 07, 2025 01:04 PM (dg+HA)

271 Harris stabbed everyone in the back to secure the spot in the Primary. First she went along with the 25thA threat with the cabinet and the DNC to sink Biden, then I am convinced she or someone on her side sent out the "I choose Harris" post from Biden's office that cemented her position that was made available because of the problem all that campaign cash that was collected up to that time, and might have to be sent back or otherwise accounted for.

We missed a bullet, she might have gotten support, but she is a nasty person who mistreats people she needs for success.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 07, 2025 01:04 PM (D7oie)

272 265 Federal Judge Aileen Cannon Temporarily Blocks Release of Special Counsel Jack Smith’s Classified Documents Report
Posted by: SMOD at January 07, 2025 01:03 PM (RHGPo)

DoJ will leak the report regardless. There's never been any consequences for illegal leaking.

Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at January 07, 2025 01:04 PM (V6W16)

273 If Thomas plans to bail, now would be the time. There will be a lot of assassination plots being cooked up, and one or another is likely to succeed. The last couple were colossal fuckups, but the IC will certainly eventually get *one* right.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 07, 2025 01:05 PM (BI5O2)

274 265 Federal Judge Aileen Cannon Temporarily Blocks Release of Special Counsel Jack Smith’s Classified Documents Report
Posted by: SMOD at January 07, 2025 01:03 PM (RHGPo)

Since when is it a Prosecutors job to make 'reports'... on evidence that will never see a court of law, so cannot be challenged?

Straight up using the DOJ power, and subpoenas for Political purposes.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2025 01:05 PM (QAkQ3)

275 Trump wants to rename the Gulf of Mexico and says ‘all hell will break out’ in Middle East if hostages aren’t released by inauguration

Posted by: SMOD at January 07, 2025 01:05 PM (RHGPo)

276 273 If Thomas plans to bail, now would be the time. There will be a lot of assassination plots being cooked up, and one or another is likely to succeed. The last couple were colossal fuckups, but the IC will certainly eventually get *one* right.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 07, 2025 01:05 PM (BI5O2)

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He's hired clerks for this term. He's not retiring now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 01:05 PM (GBKbO)

277 >>> PDT says he's going to rechristen the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America.
Posted by: Tuna at January 07, 2025 01:01 PM (oaGWv)

Don't forget about me!

Posted by: Mt. McKinley at January 07, 2025 01:05 PM (gWBY1)

278 "He just wants to see more tits."

Mardi Gras is only a month away.

Posted by: Moon pie & RC cola at January 07, 2025 01:06 PM (dg+HA)

279 No one expects the Spandau Ballet.

Posted by: Inquisitors at January 07, 2025 01:02 PM (dg+HA)
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I know this much is true.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 01:06 PM (krQz2)

280
Sauckel swung because he obtained the labor, but Speer got off even though he used it.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 07, 2025 01:06 PM (dxSpM)

281 273 If Thomas plans to bail, now would be the time. There will be a lot of assassination plots being cooked up, and one or another is likely to succeed. The last couple were colossal fuckups, but the IC will certainly eventually get *one* right.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

We could wind up with another Kavanaugh. Yikes.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 07, 2025 01:06 PM (/U5Yz)

282 All I’m hoping is nobody gets taken in by Zuckerberg. Guy is a snake, or cyborg, and is not to be trusted.

Remember this is the same POS that privately told his employees to not take the death jab but censored anyone on his platform that went against this.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at January 07, 2025 01:07 PM (lUhzf)

283 No one expects the Spandau Ballet.

Posted by: Inquisitors at January 07, 2025 01:02 PM (dg+HA)
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I know this much is true.
Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 01:06 PM (krQz2)

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2025 01:07 PM (g47mK)

284 After the overturning of Chevron, I'm curious if this next SCOTUS term is going to be nearly as loud in terms of reaction as last time.

The fanfare was given to affirmative action, but I always assumed the money was behind the protests because of the loss of power that overturning Chevron represented.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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A sleeper case, FCC v Consumer's Research is another attack on the administrative state under the non-delegation doctrine and a firearm case involving the ATF, Garland v. Vanderstok, is an extension of Looper on clarifying when an agency can interpret a rule that adds to what the Gun Control Act of 1968 defined as a firearm.

Both are this term. Cert for next term, you would have to see what is bubbling up from 5th Circuit actions and perhaps from the more liberal 4th Circuit, DC Circuit, and 2nd Circuits.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 01:07 PM (ctrM5)

285 Posted by: Maj. Healey at January 07, 2025 01:06 PM (/U5Yz)

*pukes*

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at January 07, 2025 01:07 PM (lUhzf)

286 "As I keep saying, the biggest shocks of the next 4 years are going to be:
1) how much our government was working against us
2) how much different it is to have a government working for us.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice"

Except that the last 4 years was just when it peaked. It really got rolling under Obama and only slowed down during Trumps first term to focus on attacking him.

Posted by: Ripley at January 07, 2025 01:07 PM (GUOwU)

287 Speer was the architect and builder enabling the Final Solution.
Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:50 PM (ctrM5)

IIRC he was also "in charge" of the experimental heavy water reactor at Krupp's and may have got consideration based on any knowledge he might have had on that tech.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 07, 2025 01:08 PM (D7oie)

288 Petting the monkey and dancing with Dieter and the Sprockets for 16 hours a day.

Sounds good!

Posted by: Chinese army conscripts at January 07, 2025 01:08 PM (xCA6C)

289 All I’m hoping is nobody gets taken in by Zuckerberg. Guy is a snake, or cyborg, and is not to be trusted.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at January 07, 2025 01:07 PM (lUhzf)
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Motivation doesn't matter. Compliance does.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 01:09 PM (krQz2)

290 I won't see ANY of hit FUCKZUCK.

Posted by: zooomzooom at January 07, 2025 01:09 PM (I5aJQ)

291 258 PDT says he's going to rechristen the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America.

Posted by: Tuna at January 07, 2025 01:01 PM (oaGWv)

Tens of millions of Leftist and GOPe heads are exploding!

Posted by: France at January 07, 2025 01:10 PM (aBgBM)

292 so much vindication i got a blue steelie and i'm installing
new flooring with it

Posted by: YOHAN THE LIBRARIAN at January 07, 2025 01:10 PM (3TalN)

293 "The left is a defeated army and the deserters are streaming out of it and putting on the uniforms of the winning side."

I'm not much for carving/branding/etc. on humans, but surely there's a way to make the deserters (who were anything but dragooned) permanently identifiable without going all Inglorious on them.

Posted by: Pippin at January 07, 2025 01:11 PM (v04i8)

294 But it doesn't much matter i suppose. There is nobody in the federal judiciary who isn't a corrupt Statist. Nobody Trump or Vance can appoint would be much different than Kav.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 07, 2025 01:11 PM (BI5O2)

295 “It was a combo of 3 different men”

Yeah, no. That’s bullshit. You can tell she was tired of being axed about it.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 07, 2025 01:11 PM (2UFTi)

296 off le sock

Posted by: Gref at January 07, 2025 01:11 PM (aBgBM)

297 Motivation doesn't matter. Compliance does.
Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 01:09 PM (krQz2)

Compliance without motivation, however, leads to a person constantly looking for opportunities to backslide.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 07, 2025 01:11 PM (ExV1e)

298 Kind of amazing:

In 2016, Trump winning was the reason to START the censorship. Now, 8 years later, Trump winning is the reason to STOP the censorship...

Only thing that changed - people's expectation of whether Trump could / should win. And part of that is the freedom of information that eventually won the day, in large part due to Musk freeing Twitter from the clutches of the censors.

Posted by: deadrody at January 07, 2025 01:11 PM (OeYsY)

299 "Gulf of Musk" has a nice ring to it. Kinda mysterious-sounding.

Posted by: Elon Musk at January 07, 2025 01:11 PM (paSBy)

300
Child molester Peter Yarrow goes to his judgement.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 07, 2025 01:11 PM (dxSpM)

301 You know what the problem is with tech?

An insufficient number of old school Sicilians.

Posted by: Brother Tim, Keeper of the Tim Continuum at January 07, 2025 01:11 PM (OUMaO)

302 No quarter. Start prosecuting him.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 07, 2025 01:11 PM (IG4Id)

303 295 “It was a combo of 3 different men”

Yeah, no. That’s bullshit. You can tell she was tired of being axed about it.
Posted by: Common Tater at January 07, 2025 01:11 PM (2UFTi)

Didn't want to admit it was all made up crap.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2025 01:11 PM (QAkQ3)

304 I just got ROLLED by "Sharper Image." NEVER buy anything from these thieves.

Bought a chainsaw. Was delivered to my Old address (apartment complex). They gave it back to Fedex. Fedex guy, an American, verified this and said it's on its way back to Sharper Image, and is currently at a Fedex depot in Ohio.

Called Sharper Image four different times, fought through the world's worst phone tree, only to get to customer "service" drone bank, whose denizens informed me, with that trademark subcontinental lilt, that I could "Orderanotherchainsawandwewon'tchargeyou shipping..."

That is unacceptable, I told them. The drones then chirped from their script that it was Paypal's address (no, that's current); that it was my card's address (no, THAT's current). Obviously it's an old address in the Sharper Image system.

Can you update my address? "No, I'm So Sorry, But We Cannot Do That" (their go-to script line).

After an hour and a half of this shite, I filed a dispute with Paypal. Probably another fake thing and I doubt I'll get a refund. I HATE SHARPER IMAGE.

Posted by: Beverly at January 07, 2025 01:12 PM (Epeb0)

305 "The left is a defeated army and the deserters are streaming out of it and putting on the uniforms of the winning side."

I'm not much for carving/branding/etc. on humans, but surely there's a way to make the deserters (who were anything but dragooned) permanently identifiable without going all Inglorious on them.

We have thoughts.

Posted by: The Yakuza at January 07, 2025 01:12 PM (xCA6C)

306 President-elect Donald Trump said Tuesday he wants to rename the Gulf of Mexico to the “Gulf of America.”

“We’re going to be changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, which has a beautiful ring. That covers a lot of territory, the Gulf of America — what a beautiful name. And it’s appropriate,” Trump said as he addressed reporters at Mar-a-Lago.

Posted by: SMOD at January 07, 2025 01:12 PM (RHGPo)

307 So defacebookification?

Posted by: Like they did in Deutschland at January 07, 2025 01:12 PM (dg+HA)

308 294 But it doesn't much matter i suppose. There is nobody in the federal judiciary who isn't a corrupt Statist. Nobody Trump or Vance can appoint would be much different than Kav.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 07, 2025 01:11 PM (BI5O2)

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The same Kav who voted for the largest body blow against executive power in decades: Loper v Raimondo.

Kav isn't the best, but he's far from the worst. Very far.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 01:12 PM (GBKbO)

309 My feeling is that like Aaron Swartz and Jack Dorsey, Zuckerman probably isn't hard-wired to censor people. I strongly suspect that he and other tech / media titans have been victim to what China calls the capture of the elites. They've either been bribed, blackmailed, or coerced into doing the government's bidding, (which in turn has been bribed and blackmailed into doing the bidding of China & the Globalists.)

He probably resents this, and isn't as fearful of the regime under Donald Trump. But who knows.

Posted by: SMFH at January 07, 2025 01:12 PM (U7HiC)

310 Disinformation Expert Ace >> Disinformation Expert Lizzy

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 07, 2025 01:13 PM (ufFY8)

311 Re Faceplant: Schmuckerberg is just re-triangulating. Doesn't mean a word of it. They'll go to the weeds, get sneakier, keep doing it, and do it blatantly again as soon as the winds shift.

Posted by: Beverly at January 07, 2025 01:13 PM (Epeb0)

312 >>> 258 PDT says he's going to rechristen the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America.

If he really wanted them to lose their minds: Gulf of Columbus.

Also making Election Day and Columbus Day official national holidays that everyone gets off.

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 01:14 PM (gWBY1)

313 Zuckerberg can name names, he should get a much shorter prison sentence.

There has never been any chance that Zuckerberg or any other of these criminals will be tried, let alone sentenced, and let alone sentenced to prison.

Unless he’s a complete idiot, he knows that. So yes, a little credit is called for.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 07, 2025 01:14 PM (EXyHK)

314 Only thing that changed - people's expectation of whether Trump could / should win. And part of that is the freedom of information that eventually won the day, in large part due to Musk freeing Twitter from the clutches of the censors.
Posted by: deadrody at January 07, 2025 01:11 PM (OeYsY)

Most people are weak minded. The effort of the censors was not to keep information hidden but to create the appearance of consensus around their favored position. Most people will tend to gravitate toward what "everyone" knows.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 07, 2025 01:14 PM (ExV1e)

315 Hess probably should have been commuted. He struck me as a nutbar. Hitler knew he was a nutbar which is why he got sidelined out of the inner circle. Also he left on his magic carpet ride to the UK in 1941 which is before the Endloesung.
Posted by: gKWVE at January 07, 2025 12:59 PM (gKWVE)

Hess probably crashed because his BF-110 rattled him around like a pea in a can when he was evading the RAF.
The story I was told was that Marshall Goering tried out the BF-110 since he was a crack pilot, and got stuck in the add-on pillow supports and had to be dragged out since he had gotten so fat from his opiate and sugar addiction; Goering declared that the additional padding would be not added for reasons, and a lot of the pilots got shaken up for that reason even when belted in.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 07, 2025 01:14 PM (D7oie)

316 What's with Zuck's hair? I expect he's trying to look younger. He must be about the real age of Taylor Lorenz by now.

Posted by: Gref at January 07, 2025 01:14 PM (aBgBM)

317 But keep in mind that Zuckerberg's villainy was never isolated to censorship. This is the same guy that funneled hundreds of millions of dollars in Zuck Bucks into the coffers of the localities that committed the most fraud of all in the 2020 election. "Donations" that were ultimately determined to be completely illegal.

Posted by: deadrody at January 07, 2025 01:15 PM (OeYsY)

318 "Gulf of Musk" has a nice ring to it. Kinda mysterious-sounding.
Posted by: Elon Musk at January 07, 2025 01:11 PM (paSBy)

Sounds like a cologne from the 70s.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 07, 2025 01:15 PM (ExV1e)

319 Oh and the bit about a defeated leftist army is likely more off-base than SHAEF's intel estimates on the western front in December 1944.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 07, 2025 01:15 PM (1m82a)

320 Nood. Trump stuff.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 07, 2025 01:15 PM (ExV1e)

321 Looks like there is more than one answer to Friedman's riddle of getting the wrong person to do the right thing

Posted by: Wodun at January 07, 2025 01:16 PM (kmNtT)

322 Two words, son: cloud computing.

Posted by: Jeff Bezos at January 07, 2025 01:16 PM (paSBy)

323 Also making Election Day and Columbus Day official national holidays that everyone gets off.

Oh, goody. More days that end in 'y'!

Posted by: Jeffrey Toobin at January 07, 2025 01:16 PM (OqC0L)

324 After an hour and a half of this shite, I filed a dispute with Paypal. Probably another fake thing and I doubt I'll get a refund. I HATE SHARPER IMAGE.
Posted by: Beverly at January 07, 2025 01:12 PM (Epeb0)

where do you live that doesn't sell chainsaws locally?

Posted by: Kindltot at January 07, 2025 01:16 PM (D7oie)

325 129 JM in lll, is it true that Kamala would have picked Liz Cheney for secretary of defense? Her bloodlust would have led to WW3 for sure. We dodged a huge bomb, possibly literally.
Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 12:33 PM (gWBY1)

I'd say it was a possibility, with Cheney blood in her veins. But I don't think Harris would be making a lot of the decisions in her administration

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 07, 2025 01:16 PM (+EOmr)

326 After an hour and a half of this shite, I filed a dispute with Paypal. Probably another fake thing and I doubt I'll get a refund. I HATE SHARPER IMAGE.
Posted by: Beverly

Always pay with AmEx.
You dispute, they don't hesitate. Have had resolution within the day.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2025 01:17 PM (NOkyf)

327 "He might also sense that the cultural shift is more profound that even we suspect. And he'd be in a position to know that, given that his company collects everyone's data and clicking habits every single day."

Anyone remember the Doe Minion servers in Germany in 2020? that whistleblowers said they'd been able to breach, and they showed in that election that Trump's actual tally was 410 electoral (real) votes? Before the great dial-back?

Even our current 'official' victory is a greatly pruned version of the real thing, I warrant you.

Posted by: Beverly at January 07, 2025 01:17 PM (Epeb0)

328 Re Faceplant: Schmuckerberg is just re-triangulating. Doesn't mean a word of it. They'll go to the weeds, get sneakier, keep doing it, and do it blatantly again as soon as the winds shift.
Posted by: Beverly at January 07, 2025 01:13 PM (Epeb0)

Correct. I think a lot of people are laboring under the misapprehension that Trump's reelection means things have changed. To an extent, they have - public opinion has shifted considerably.

But nothing else has, and public opinion + $10 will get you a cup of coffee in this country.

Trump faces all the same challenges as 2016 and Big Tech will be one of the bigger ones again, this PR stunt notwithstanding.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 07, 2025 01:17 PM (BI5O2)

329 Our government at various times before the 2nd period of the War imported both hard core Communists - the exiled Frankfurt schule nutbars - Adorno, Marcuse (make love not war!) Horkheimer et al, and a shitload of Nazis after the war. Maybe Von Braun and those “not an ardent Nazi” paperclip guys were a good idea, but the chemical warfare and propaganda specialists were not.

If you’re wondering why this country is so fucked in the head, look no further. The fucking germans wrote the book on mind fvckery. They literally have it down to a science.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 07, 2025 01:17 PM (2UFTi)

330 Overturn NFA '34 & GCA '68 and return the 2nd Amendment to "shall not be infringed".

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2025 12:57 PM (NOkyf)

NYT v. Sullivan
Posted by: Darrell Harris
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Rick223, I don't think that the NFA or the GCA of 1968 are going to be overturned entirely. Even under the 1st amendment, there are time, place, and manner restrictions that government is allowed to do. Like repeal of the 17th amendment, I think are dead ends for activists.

Darrell, I think Sullivan is more likely to be revisited and a later Scotus case requiring clear and convincing evidence for malice may be undone. Normal standard in civil cases is preponderance of the evidence as it was in Sullivan and returning to that will induce a more cautious media for better or worse.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 01:18 PM (ctrM5)

331 Why would names need names?

I don't get it.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 01:18 PM (krQz2)

332 peer was released in 1966. Rudolf Hess spent the rest of his life in Spandau
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 07, 2025 12:49 PM (c+GDc)

I think Hess hanged himself somewhere on the grounds of Spandau. He did not have a natural death.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at January 07, 2025 01:18 PM (g8Ew8)

333 You can't wear Gulf Of Musk cologne unless you drive a jacked up muscle car with Cragars and a Thrush muffler.

Posted by: Back in the day at January 07, 2025 01:19 PM (dg+HA)

334 NYT v. Sullivan
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 07, 2025 01:04 PM (RyohI)

Marbury v Madison

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 07, 2025 01:19 PM (ufFY8)

335 They weren't demanded into existence under Biden and its stupid to say so.

They've been pushing this for 20 years. It just went to the next level under Biden, but they've been censoring, shadow banning, and outright banning conservatives for 20 years.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at January 07, 2025 01:19 PM (setIA)

336 They hung Streicher didn't they?

Posted by: Nuremberg remembers at January 07, 2025 01:20 PM (dg+HA)

337 258 PDT says he's going to rechristen the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America.
Posted by: Tuna at January 07, 2025 01:01 PM (oaGWv)

Heh. I think I'll start calling it "Gulf of America" as of right now

Posted by: Emmie at January 07, 2025 01:20 PM (Sf2cq)

338 After an hour and a half of this shite, I filed a dispute with Paypal. Probably another fake thing and I doubt I'll get a refund. I HATE SHARPER IMAGE.
Posted by: Beverly
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The real company went bankrupt years ago and the name was sold to some new entity that uses the name and image to sell online. You can probably find the current owner via online search if you want.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 01:22 PM (ctrM5)

339 Take Android from google and it becomes a much smaller and easier to deal with company. Spinning off Chrome to a separate company with Gmail would be a far smaller impact on Google and AdSense as that is a dying market.
Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 12:59 PM (ctrM5)
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Bust that shit into a million tiny pieces

Search
YouTube
Android
Chrome
Pixel Phones
Nest Smart Devices
Fitbit
Waze
Looker
Mandiant
DoubleClick Ad Serving

Posted by: deadrody at January 07, 2025 01:22 PM (OeYsY)

340 Marbury v Madison
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt
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I would put that under not going to happen. You want to change that decision, you will have to get a constitutional amendment.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (ctrM5)

341 Posted by: deadrody

A lot of those companies will go under or cost a lot more if divested. From what I remember from a few years ago of Google's finances, AdSense is the big moneymaker and Google buys or builds a company like Android in order to get the customer info to sell via AdSense. Youtube, in particular, runs at a loss and I would guess some of the other products you name are the same, they are designed to harvest your information to sell is how Google makes money off it.

Same as Amazon makes relatively little on their stores but a lot via its cloud computing and web services wing.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (ctrM5)

342 The other thing I notice about Schmuckerberg is that he called deliberate left-wing censorship "mistakes" and didn't say one word about its insane bias against the freedom-loving patriots of the US of A. It's not a "mistake" when only one side is attacked, relentlessly.

Posted by: Beverly at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (Epeb0)

343 Posted by: Beverly at January 07, 2025 01:12 PM (Epeb0)

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Beverly, relative to Sharper Image (and all retailers these days)...take advantage of their Chat feature. I went and checked. Sharper Image has one. Initially, it might be an AI response, but you can push through to a real live human rather easily if you use some creative key words like "fraud." Those always initiate a contact with a real human being.

Posted by: Orson at January 07, 2025 01:32 PM (dIske)

344 You can't wear Gulf Of Musk cologne unless you drive a jacked up muscle car with Cragars and a Thrush muffler.
Posted by: Back in the day

You can't wear Gulf of Musk cologne unless you drive a Deplorean Cybertruck.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2025 01:42 PM (NOkyf)

345 Do you mean Vindmancation?

Trump's a sucker for Zucker.

Posted by: Kurtz at January 07, 2025 01:57 PM (Mea9Z)

346 The bill provides law enforcement with more authority to detain illegal immigrants who have been accused of crimes. The House on Tuesday passed the "Laken Riley Act" in a 264-159 vote. The bill received bipartisan support with 48 Democrats and 216 Republicans voting to for it.

Posted by: SMOD at January 07, 2025 01:58 PM (RHGPo)

347 Zuckerberg has occupied native land and the ancestors are passed off about it.
Things are not going to go well for him.

Posted by: torabora at January 07, 2025 02:33 PM (JoNcL)

348 Zuck has been learning martial arts and upping his fitness…IE, raising his T…So he automatically gets more conservative

You can see he’s way more lean and chiseled.

Posted by: Bildung at January 07, 2025 02:45 PM (MWjeu)

349 "We do think it is a real opportunity to work with the Trump administration and to work on free expression at home."

Yeah, now that Republicans are in power, there is an "opportunity". I would have been more impressed if you had stood up to the Democrats when they were running things, but that would have required some balls.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at January 07, 2025 04:22 PM (gfztU)

350 Never to be trusted again. 🐀

He has a pattern where he creates havoc, hides and then resurfaced to play nice for awhile.

Posted by: L - L - When will we finally hit bottom? at January 07, 2025 04:48 PM (NFX2v)

351 If some one needs to be updated with most recent technologies
after that he must be pay a visit this web site and be
up to date everyday.

Posted by: slot minimal deposit 4000 at January 07, 2025 05:43 PM (e32me)

352 It's a double fake. It's a limited hangout. He's hiding something else.

Posted by: gjoubert at January 07, 2025 06:03 PM (MN7PJ)

353 Prosecute him, if an average American admits they’ve stopped human trafficking, and are walking back on their trafficking pipeline, they’d be prosecuted, this Zuckerberg is guilty of far more than censorship, he has blood on his hands , prosecute or it will come back

Posted by: Christopher Shamblin at January 08, 2025 02:29 PM (i+Vg5)

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