Daily Tech News 5 January 2025

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SpaceX is planning another test flight of Starship this month with a payload of dummy Starlink V3 satellites on board. (Tech Crunch)

The operational plan is to launch sixty of these V3 satellites, each one ten times as powerful as the current V2 Mini, with each Starship launch.

This flight will also shake out new Starship hardware and test the booster chopstick catch mechanism a second time.

Tech News

Speaking of Starlink, the new Starlink Mini dish is available. (CNet)

It's only 13"x17" and weighs a svelte 2.4lbs. The regular Starlink is 15"x23" and weighs 6.4lbs. Which is not much at all if it's sitting on your roof, but the Mini is designed to go where you do.
The Raspberry Pi 5 is getting a 16GB model. (Notebook Check)

Possibly as soon as this week.

This isn't officially official just yet, but Raspberry Pi have said that they intend to offer a 16GB version of the Pi 5 Compute Module (CM5) this year.
With 16GB of RAM and an optional M.2 hat, the Pi 5 starts to get expensive, matching the price but not the performance of low-end mini-PCs. But you probably don't want to get a Beelink GTi12 in its place. (Serve the Home)

It does have a PCIe slot - sort of - and you can use it with Beelink's new graphics card dock. And the Core i9 12900H CPU is no slouch even if it's a couple of generations old, and it comes with dual 2.5Gb Ethernet ports.

The problem is getting access to the insides. On my AMD-based Beelink systems, you remove the bottom cover and the memory slots and M.2 slot are right there. It takes less than a minute to upgrade the hardware; a lot longer to reinstall the operating system if you replace the M.2 drive.

On the GTi12 though, there are more than 20 screws and brackets to remove before you get down to the memory. Unless you buy it in the exact configuration you want, that's not going to be fun.
Feel-good story of the day: The Climate Justice Alliance has yet to receive any of the promised funds from the EPA. (The Verge)
"At our core CJA has always been anti war and pro communities," Chavez says. "We are just collateral damage in a war against regulations," they add.
Roadkill. What you are is roadkill.
Markus Persson, a.k.a Notch, has asked if people want him to make a successor to Minecraft. (WCCFTech)

People said yes.

Notch sold Minecraft to Microsoft ten years ago for $2.5 billion, and since then Microsoft has been slowly stifling the game for fear of killing the chicken that lays the golden eggs.

Musical Interlude

Totally Not Tech News

Newsflash: Ceres Fauna will not be returning as Lemonleaf, it appears. Instead she'll be returning as Nimi Nightmare.

Not my fault; the account name changed yesterday.

To update and fill out the guide:

Mano Aloe is Delutaya.
Kiryu Coco is Kson.
Tsukumo Sana is semi-retired from streaming but can be found if you look.
Uruha Rushia is Mikeneko.
Yozora Mel is Hanamiya Rica.
Amelia Watson is Dooby3d.
Minato Aqua is Sakuna Yuki.
Ceres Fauna is Nimi Nightmare.

Across the way at Nijisanji:

Selen Tatsuki is Dokibird.
Pomu Rainpuff is Maid Mint a.k.a Mint Fantome a.k.a Minto a.k.a Minki.
Zaion Lanza is Sayu Sincronisity.
Nina Kosaka is Matara Kan.
Mika Melatika is Michi Mochievee.
Victoria Brightshield is MoguGhost.
Kunai Nakasoto is SunnySplosion.

There are a lot more Nijisanji departures, like almost the entire Indonesian branch - nobody has yet left Hololive Indonesia, by comparison - but I'm only tracking those I've watched.

Disclaimer: And don't get me started on vtuber agencies that folded in 2024. That is a long list.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at 04:00 AM

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1 Thank you, Pixy!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 05, 2025 04:06 AM (a1415)

2 BOING!

And now, a public service announcement from John McAfee. Too bad there are no pinned tech posts here.

Lotsa NSFW language warning:

https://tinyurl.com/mr363np4

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at January 05, 2025 04:07 AM (JdYf9)

3 Not first

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 05, 2025 04:09 AM (lhenN)

4 Mornin'

The Cardigans used to do covers of Black Sabbath songs in rather unique ways. It was oddly charming.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at January 05, 2025 04:19 AM (o4wD0)

5 Fun Cardigans video!

Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 04:31 AM (VnUSN)

6 G'morning All. Musk plans to put 42,000 Starlink satellites into low-earth orbit. Seems like a lot. How do rocket launches and other satellites keep from a collision?

https://tinyurl.com/4fdfncry

Rockets plan launches and maneuver to avoid collisions. Satellites maneuver, too; Starlink satellites make thousands of maneuvers each year.

https://tinyurl.com/3upymepn

Now, I can sleep again.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 05, 2025 04:56 AM (ZPsSk)

7 Time to get ready for taking MiL to train station.

BBIAB

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 05, 2025 04:56 AM (a1415)

8
g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at January 05, 2025 05:15 AM (tljrc)

9 Morning, Tech Peeps

Posted by: fluffy at January 05, 2025 05:16 AM (AN2gy)

10 Well, shite! That freezing rain that was supposed to be here midnight tonight decided to arrive now. Had planned to run some errands this morning.

Posted by: olddog in mo at January 05, 2025 05:26 AM (hoCmQ)

11 Oh, and morning, 'rons and 'ettes.

Posted by: olddog in mo at January 05, 2025 05:27 AM (hoCmQ)

12
Good morning, Hordians. I'm going to try to get to Mass this morning. At this second it's not hurting enough not to make the effort.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 05, 2025 05:40 AM (dxSpM)

13 10 That freezing rain that was supposed to be here midnight tonight decided to arrive now.
Posted by: olddog in mo at January 05, 2025 05:26 AM (hoCmQ)

yuck

Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 05:48 AM (VnUSN)

14 2 BOING!

And now, a public service announcement from John McAfee. Too bad there are no pinned tech posts here.

Lotsa NSFW language warning:

https://tinyurl.com/mr363np4
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at January 05, 2025 04:07 AM (JdYf9)

I appreciate the warning!
He has--had?--the weirdest intonation.

Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 05:53 AM (VnUSN)

15 Evening and morning, insomaniacals! 'Tis the Sun's Day. We're gonna get some of it -- high expected about 75 F. -- before the rain and the cold hits us. How was your Saturday night? We went to our just-up-the-street pizza and pasta place. $40, but we have a second home meal available out of the portions. And our waitress was cute, I mean TV sitcom-cute (aside from the small silvery rings in her nose). I left her a little extra tip just for being cute. Here, it's like finding a rose blooming in a cat's dirty litter box.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 05, 2025 06:00 AM (omVj0)

16 lon & Joe On The WILD Story Of John McAfee
Joe Rogan & Elon Musk

https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=r4YQpqE1iDM

Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 06:00 AM (VnUSN)

17 *Elon

Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 06:01 AM (VnUSN)

18 G'Day everyone
Wow. Was I out

Posted by: Skip at January 05, 2025 06:05 AM (fwDg9)

19 I have a legit tech question: specifically, about remote garage door openers. I know you can have them installed in your car, usually up by the rear-view mirror. You press a button as you approach your garage, it opens, you drive in, and either you press a close button or the door closes by itself after a reasonable time. Yes?

Does it work *behind* the car as well as ahead? Because I like to back into my parking spot, and that would include my garage. I'd hate to open the door, then spend a while turning the car around to back in. Can you use it to open the door, then *back into* the garage, and close the door?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 05, 2025 06:07 AM (omVj0)

20 Got a Starlink mini. Pretty amazing.

Posted by: blaster at January 05, 2025 06:07 AM (QfvaV)

21 20 Got a Starlink mini. Pretty amazing.
Posted by: blaster at January 05, 2025 06:07 AM (QfvaV)

Cool.

Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 06:09 AM (VnUSN)

22 Does it work *behind* the car as well as ahead? Because I like to back into my parking spot, and that would include my garage. I'd hate to open the door, then spend a while turning the car around to back in. Can you use it to open the door, then *back into* the garage, and close the door?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 05, 2025 06:07 AM (omVj0)

Short answer is yes.

Posted by: blaster at January 05, 2025 06:13 AM (QfvaV)

23 Monday, Jan. 6: certification of the election (I pray nothing goes wrong), and Twelfth Night. Wednesday is the 211th anniversary of the Battle of New Orleans. ("In 1814 we took a little trip/ Along with Colonel Jackson to the Mighty Mississip' --")

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 05, 2025 06:14 AM (omVj0)

24 Re: The Battle of New Orleans . . . I used to play at that field as a kid. It was designated a National Monument even then, but in '64 for the 150th, there was a push to fix it up as a real tourist attraction, with boards to shore up the breastwork on the left as you drive in, adding cannon replicas, and buying the land between the monument site and the military cemetery just down the highway. (That necessitated buying the homes in the small black village there, Fazendeville, and demolishing them.) Now there's a drive you can take throughout the property with big explanatory diorama plates you can view to get details of the battle.

You used to be able to climb the steps within the mini-Washington Monument erected there, but they closed it off to public access long ago.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 05, 2025 06:19 AM (omVj0)

25 LOL Medal of Freedom

Jarvis
@jarvis_best
15h
Trump needs to take back these medals. Use Seal Team Six if you have to.

Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 06:20 AM (VnUSN)

26 Does it work *behind* the car as well as ahead? Because I like to back into my parking spot, and that would include my garage. I'd hate to open the door, then spend a while turning the car around to back in. Can you use it to open the door, then *back into* the garage, and close the door?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 05, 2025
*
Short answer is yes.
Posted by: blaster at January 05, 2025

***
I suspected as much. Otherwise, if you drove nose in to the garage and shut the door, if the device didn't work *behind* you, you'd have to open the garage door manually.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 05, 2025 06:20 AM (omVj0)

27 Anna Paulina Luna
@realannapaulina
10h
I did indeed!

REP. ANNA PAULINA LUNA CALLS FOR A BAN ON SEED OILS, HIGH-FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, AND OTHER "HIGHLY PROCESSED ADDITIVES."

When are they gonna learn.

Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 06:23 AM (VnUSN)

28 Not sure a ban but does it need to be in everything?

Posted by: Skip at January 05, 2025 06:35 AM (fwDg9)

29 28 Not sure a ban but does it need to be in everything?
Posted by: Skip at January 05, 2025 06:35 AM (fwDg9)

Agreed!

Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 06:36 AM (VnUSN)

30 That stuff is in everything because they work.

Posted by: Accomack at January 05, 2025 06:41 AM (IG7T0)

31 Back To The Future, the musical, is leaving roadway today.
It is also National Bird Rally Day with a rally being held somewhere along the High Line in Lower Manhattan.
I can't believe WAVY10 news didn't tell me

Posted by: Accomack in Queens at January 05, 2025 06:47 AM (IG7T0)

32 Good morning, good people, from the winterized version of the Adirondacks. Finally, some direction to life. Downside, the winter mewlers are becoming vocal about a seasonal phase demonstrating purpose.

Something else, may all of you, as a result of your effort today, realize benefits out of all expectation and the leftwit sludge become even more mired in their woes.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at January 05, 2025 06:53 AM (hKoQL)

33 That stuff is in everything because it is the cheapest they can find. If you want to know why “processed” foods taste terrible, that’s why

Posted by: Common Tater at January 05, 2025 06:58 AM (hfxb3)

34 Good morning to all from western NC. 27 degrees here going up to the low 40s today.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at January 05, 2025 07:00 AM (DIS3S)

35 No, that stuff doesn't "work". It's why food tastes like crap. Try a soda made with sugar and one with high fructose corn syrup. Same with choclolate. People talk about how good McDonalds fries were when they used beef tallow. You wouldn't believe how they process cannola oil. And it's making people sick and obese.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 07:03 AM (NQtI0)

36 Birdbath status?

Posted by: Just Wondering at January 05, 2025 07:05 AM (dg+HA)

37 They're chemists making food, not foodies making chemicals.
Bad tasting is not poisonous.
I don't think UPF's are the cause of the West's problems. They will be used as a McGuffin to destroy quality of life/purchasing power thru legislation.

Posted by: Accomack in Queens at January 05, 2025 07:07 AM (IG7T0)

Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 07:08 AM (VnUSN)

39 UPF

An ultra-processed food (UPF) is an industrially formulated edible substance derived from natural food or synthesized from other organic compounds.

Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 07:09 AM (VnUSN)

40 Ultra-processed food (Wikipedia)

Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 07:10 AM (VnUSN)

41 Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 05, 2025 07:12 AM (6K6Eu)

42 Anna Paulina Luna in a taxi, honey...

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 05, 2025 07:14 AM (6K6Eu)

43 Chemically “sugar is sugar”. That’s what the experts say. And they are correct chemically.

But your body says different. Sucrose or glucose can be utilized by every cell in the body. Fructose is processed only by the liver. Fatty liver disease is chronic with obesity. A diseased liver will not like Fructose. At all.

The hydrogenated seed oils are practically indigestible. Try healthy fats like butter, lard, beef tallow in your diet and see how much better you feel. And how much better your food tastes.

These were wartime expedients invented, because fats are crucial.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 05, 2025 07:15 AM (zh/Tt)

44 there are more than 20 screws and brackets to remove
Which is still a lot better than having no screws to remove because it's not upgradeable.

Posted by: GWB at January 05, 2025 07:17 AM (WlvCt)

45 then *back into* the garage, and close the door?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 05, 2025 06:07 AM (omVj0)

Short answer is yes.
Posted by: blaster at January 05, 2025 06:13 AM (QfvaV)

They're omnidirectional rf radios, not ir like a tv remote where you have to point it right. So you could open your garage door from your kitchen if the range is short enough.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 07:18 AM (+iIV1)

46 Not poisonous? What do you think is causing obesity? I can tell you for a fact we didn't have this in the 50s and 60s. Fructose is stored as fat and HFCS is in everything, even lunch meats. Leads to diabetes too and you pay for those medical problems through your taxes. It is not food and should not be sold as such

Do you think anyone would buy it as an additive, if it was removed from food?

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 07:19 AM (NQtI0)

47 Morning peeps. Weather radar shows our winter storm is about to hit. The forecasters are still predicting lots of ice, which is really bad.

We've prepared about as well as possible.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 05, 2025 07:20 AM (Q4IgG)

48 Flag is up
🫡
Be nice to put up tomorrow but storm coming

Posted by: Skip at January 05, 2025 07:21 AM (fwDg9)

49 Watching this morning one of the storm trackers who drive around looking for storms to web cam. He hates ice so he is sticking to snow storms. He has an extensive setup in his pickup of electronics, young and fearless and drives great distances. Like from up state NY to the Saint Louis area and puts 200K+ on his truck a year. Up early and late to bed in a hotel. Great to be young and fearless, but when I was his age, I doubt I'd ever do that. Also says a nice prayer at the end of the day, so he believes in Christian values, nice to hear. (Brandon Copia is his name)

Posted by: Colin at January 05, 2025 07:22 AM (wlQdF)

50 They put that crap in food because it's cheap. It's like putting sawdust in bread. These federal agencies were created to prevent food being adulterated. Instead, they were paid off to allow it.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 07:23 AM (NQtI0)

51 NYC banned fruit juices from school lunches because of the high levels of sugars. Even the no added sugars types.

Posted by: Accomack in Queens at January 05, 2025 07:24 AM (IG7T0)

52 33 That stuff is in everything because it is the cheapest they can find. If you want to know why “processed” foods taste terrible, that’s why
Posted by: Common Tater at January 05, 2025 06:58 AM (hfxb3)

I think a huge irony is that this stuff really isn't the cheapest you can find anymore. You only see it in food from massive companies with massive factories because for them, while more natural ingredients are becoming cheaper, they still can't justify the overhead to retool an entire process yet. The other reason the big companies stick with mean yucky chemicals is consistency. Churning out the exact same product over billions of iterations isn't easy. Look at light beer. Synthetic or heavily processed inputs simply play nicer for the people in charge of making things the exact same way every single time.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 07:25 AM (+iIV1)

53 The ice here didn't amount to much. The snow is really fine but just now starting to cover the ground. It's been snowing since 11. We seem to be on the outer edge of it. Windy though, with a high of 17 today.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 07:25 AM (NQtI0)

54 >>>>>They put that crap in food because it's cheap. It's like putting sawdust in bread. These federal agencies were created to prevent food being adulterated. Instead, they were paid off to allow it.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 07:23 AM (NQtI0)
********
NST, not only allow but promote it. Look at the “food pyramid” by the USDA.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at January 05, 2025 07:25 AM (iAdx3)

55 If you consider the food pyramid/FDA/USDA angle, there's the sinister motive that if you're going to take it upon yourself to guarantee that all your peasants get fed, you're going to work hard to convince them that all they need is gruel and that too much real food (real expensive food) is Bad For You.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 07:28 AM (+iIV1)

56 The FDA: putting the "grue" in "gruel."

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 05, 2025 07:29 AM (6K6Eu)

57 Weather report 3-5 inches starting at midnight

Posted by: Skip at January 05, 2025 07:29 AM (fwDg9)

58 Weather report 3-5 inches starting at midnight
Posted by: Skip at January 05, 2025 07:29 AM (fwDg9)

Are we still doing "Phrasing"?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 07:30 AM (+iIV1)

59 HFC changes the taste and texture of food. If we only ate what HFC's we used at home, the outcry would be minimal.
Homogenization is awful which is why I am homophobic.

Posted by: Accomack in Queens at January 05, 2025 07:31 AM (IG7T0)

60 Weather report 3-5 inches starting at midnight
Posted by: Skip at January 05, 2025 07:29 AM (fwDg9)

Are we still doing "Phrasing"?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 07:30 AM (+iIV1)
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Shrinkage?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 05, 2025 07:31 AM (6K6Eu)

61 Excess calories cause obesity. Corn syrup doesn’t sate the appetite, it does encourage over consumption. Mt. Dew used to sell half gallon mugs to carry around. Corn syrup sweetener is nasty. Cut back on calories overall, a little fructose won’t kill you. It will nuke your liver if you’re fat, and the hydrogenated stuff will provide the coup de grace

Posted by: Common Tater at January 05, 2025 07:31 AM (zh/Tt)

62 Good blood sugar+exercise=happy morons?

Posted by: Accomack in Queens at January 05, 2025 07:34 AM (IG7T0)

63 The “low fat” guidance - that started precisely when monetary inflation took off in the early 1970s. Butter and dairy did a moonshot - and all of a sudden, it was declared butter, eggs, and milk were “bad for you”. Uh-huh

Posted by: Common Tater at January 05, 2025 07:34 AM (zh/Tt)

64 AccuWeather says 2-4 total with rain and sleet mixed in for Accomack county and north towards Ocean City. WAVY says closer to 8". I start a new job in Ocean City Monday.
When I lived in Putnam county, this would be considered a nuisance event.

Posted by: Accomack in Queens at January 05, 2025 07:37 AM (IG7T0)

65 G'mornin' everyone!

35, 37 ... in the world we live in these days, it's quite possible that you are both right ... they are bad for us, and the legislation will be used nefariously.

on the whole I do tend toward the "not good for us" side and try to avoid that stuff

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 05, 2025 07:37 AM (cY18j)

66 The idea that they can't standardize foods without this junk is just wrong. They had years of experience doing exactly that. And what this leads to is real crap like lab grown "meat". There needs to be limits on the industrialization of good because we all pay for it in medical costs.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 07:38 AM (NQtI0)

67 and, yeah, very valid engineering perspective there, W-o

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 05, 2025 07:39 AM (cY18j)

68 Byeee...

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 05, 2025 07:40 AM (6K6Eu)

69 Snow, sleet and freezing rain here in KY. 3-5 inches of any or all. Ice accumulations are the concern. Anything over a quarter inch is going to cause some power outages... either from lines or tree limbs dropping.

We could see up to a half inch of ice by Tuesday morning.

It's lightly snowing right now, perhaps a dusting, but it's pretty cold and the weather radar shows some heavy stuff just off to the west, coming this way.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 05, 2025 07:40 AM (Q4IgG)

70 49 Watching this morning one of the storm trackers who drive around looking for storms to web cam. He hates ice so he is sticking to snow storms. He has an extensive setup in his pickup of electronics, young and fearless and drives great distances. Like from up state NY to the Saint Louis area and puts 200K+ on his truck a year. Up early and late to bed in a hotel. Great to be young and fearless, but when I was his age, I doubt I'd ever do that. Also says a nice prayer at the end of the day, so he believes in Christian values, nice to hear. (Brandon Copia is his name)
Posted by: Colin at January 05, 2025 07:22 AM (wlQdF)

Nice! Found him on youtube.
Brandon Copic
https://www.youtube.com/@BrandonCopicWx

Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 07:43 AM (VnUSN)

71 There needs to be limits on the industrialization of good because we all pay for it in medical costs.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 07:38 AM (NQtI0)

I was just noodling around the idea that a lot of arguments on this topic come from that public utility direction... "we" have to pay the costs? Why? Because everyone wanted a system where their own health was someone else's liability.

I don't care, eat your froot loops, scarf your twinkies, blow out your gall bladder, ain't my circus, ain't my elephant. But if there's gonna be a system in place where personal health is made a public liability, then the same people given the authority to force you to eat healthy can also force you to eat unhealthy. Which they will. And do. Inevitably.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 07:46 AM (+iIV1)

72 But yeah, it's not that they can't standardize with better ingredients, it's that they've already standardized with crap ingredients and don't yet have enough incentive to spend the money to do it all over again.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 07:48 AM (+iIV1)

73 Good morning Hordelings!

Posted by: Doof at January 05, 2025 07:52 AM (RFPHU)

74 Across the river from you, Martini Farmer, started flurrying around 5:30 AM, our forecast has 9"-10" snow total today, but the window for freezing rain is now just 4 PM to 3 AM, and says about 1/4".

Posted by: Nazdar at January 05, 2025 07:54 AM (NcvvS)

75 The limit on industrialization of food is a wealthier society that isn't forced (or otherwise convinced) through lack of time, energy, and money to buy poor quality food all the time, and that isn't brainwashed by a horrible culture and government to think that the path to true health is shoving a weird injector into your undergunt so you involuntarily crap yourself down two waist sizes.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 07:56 AM (+iIV1)

76 The Army feeds, clothes, and health cares ya. For “free”.

But they weigh your ass every 6 months. Imagine all the welfare fatties falling out for PT. Why should the taxpayer be required to fund Obesity? Every leftist shibboleth bullshit narrative is on display.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 05, 2025 07:57 AM (zh/Tt)

77 well said!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 05, 2025 07:57 AM (cY18j)

78 28 Not sure a ban but does it need to be in everything?

Posted by: Skip at January 05, 2025 06:35 AM (fwDg9)
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I fully agree with you. Total bans are draconian and often turn out to have no merit (butter vs marg, lard vs Crisco). Give consumers a choice usually dictated by price. At my age 29^29! (LOL) I am not going to be any worse off with "bad" stuff in the short time left of my life.
Manufacturers need to stop putting sugars in every foodstuff. Peanut butter doesn't need sugar. Salt yes.
The medical profession needs to be honest with patients and keep up with discoveries. It's just 'medical lore' to drink 64oz of water daily. It's not a fact that salt causes high BP (maybe for a very short while before being excreted). Cholesterol is not the bogeyman of cardiac problems so let's stop with the statins.

Posted by: Ciampino - My date for New Year is January 5th at January 05, 2025 07:58 AM (i0xsb)

79 @75, that is ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 05, 2025 07:58 AM (cY18j)

80 The peanut butter thing is hilarious. You need a tiny punch of salt to bring out the natural sweetness of it. But if you're forbidden the salt, you need a giant scoop of sugar to get the same effect.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 08:02 AM (+iIV1)

81 What about olive oil? Good or bad?

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at January 05, 2025 08:03 AM (SfhV1)

82 I understand that much of the government’s food policy over the years has been misguided. I also understand that highly processed foods contain lots of shit that may be harmful.

So. Prior government policy bad but this will be good? Prior food knowledge has been superseded so let’s lock in new potentially bad policies because we like them better than the old ones.

How about we just don’t buy the crap?

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 05, 2025 08:04 AM (BYt3l)

83 horrible culture and government to think that the path to true health is shoving a weird injector into your undergunt so you involuntarily crap yourself down two waist sizes.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 07:56 AM (+iIV1)

Are you a fat slob who has been harmed by shoving a weird injector into your gut and crapped yourself down 2 waist sizes and now you cannot stop crapping yourself? Well, call me! I want to get you some money!

Posted by: Morgan & Morgan, For The People! at January 05, 2025 08:04 AM (R/m4+)

84 Never spent any time contemplating the US posted food pyramid. The one thing I do recall is the push to use canola oil over every other oil. Has it always been bad or has something changed?

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 05, 2025 08:05 AM (2NHgQ)

85 How about we just don’t buy the crap?
Posted by: Pete Bog at January 05, 2025 08:04 AM (BYt3l)

"We will use our powers to save you from Bad Thing" is universally a terrible basis for policy, unless Bad Thing is an invading army or incoming warhead.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 08:05 AM (+iIV1)

86 Long answer: Garage door open uses RF (Radio Frequency) not IR (Infra-red). I have a button by the door into the house that I push to close the door after I have parked.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at January 05, 2025 08:07 AM (ZmEVT)

87 I don't want to live in a society where Our Government can't afford to buy you new pants because you crapped your waist down two sizes.

Greedy capitalist bastards. No concern for the pantslessness of the underprivileged.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 08:08 AM (+iIV1)

88 "We will use our powers to save you from Bad Thing" is universally a terrible basis for policy, unless Bad Thing is an invading army or incoming warhead.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 08:05 AM (+iIV1)

And by the time they get to these two items they typically cannot do anything of substance to prevent them.

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 05, 2025 08:08 AM (BYt3l)

89 The thing is that these agencies exist to prevent the adulteration of food. So make them do their job! I read labels on everything and remember how hard it was doing paleo and trying to avoid sugar. This isn't just that people should have the freedom to eat junk. You are being forced to eat that junk unless you make everything from scratch. And the fact that you are seeing a few products without the junk means there is a market for this.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 08:08 AM (NQtI0)

90 How about we just don’t buy the crap?
Posted by: Pete Bog at January 05, 2025 08:04 AM (BYt3l)

There are a lot of groups that eat what they are given. The troops, seniors in retirement/nursing homes, school lunch programs, etc. Those could all be improved.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at January 05, 2025 08:08 AM (SfhV1)

91 "...unless Bad Thing is an invading army ..."

It's not so bad after all. The invading army has informed us (your civil authorities) that we will keep out positions of power and our heads if we simply surrender. Not such a bad thing now is it?

Posted by: no one of any consequence at January 05, 2025 08:10 AM (ZmEVT)

92 The thing is that these agencies exist to prevent the adulteration of food. So make them do their job! I read labels on everything and remember how hard it was doing paleo and trying to avoid sugar. This isn't just that people should have the freedom to eat junk. You are being forced to eat that junk unless you make everything from scratch. And the fact that you are seeing a few products without the junk means there is a market for this.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 08:08 AM (NQtI0)

The point I was trying to make is that adulteration is in the eye of the beholder. The agencies lock in policy blindly and are reluctant to change anything even when their policies kill people. Why will this time be different?

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 05, 2025 08:13 AM (BYt3l)

93 And the fact that you are seeing a few products without the junk means there is a market for this.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 08:08 AM (NQtI0)

Dead on.

I'm pleasantly surprised quite often when i read ingredient lists on things. A lot of stuff lately really is just plain old food and some innocuous preservatives. The market is changing.

It seems to be loosely connected to their packaging design, too. If it's all primary colors with implied and explicit promises to blow your taste buds out your asshole at Mach 1.5, it's probably not actually food.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 08:13 AM (+iIV1)

94 Canola oil.
What's a canola?

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at January 05, 2025 08:14 AM (dg+HA)

95 "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 08:14 AM (VnUSN)

96 43
But your body says different. Sucrose or glucose can be utilized by every cell in the body. Fructose is processed only by the liver. Fatty liver disease is chronic with obesity. A diseased liver will not like Fructose. At all.
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I'm not arguing but asking.
Sucrose is half glucose and half fructose. How is that different? Isn't it split before use? Isn't sucrose hydrolysed in the gut before absorption? Also why are fruits touted as healthy when they also contain lots of fructose?

Posted by: Ciampino - My date for New Year is January 5th at January 05, 2025 08:15 AM (i0xsb)

97 I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 08:14 AM (VnUSN)

So kneel before me Peasant while I impose my will upon you.

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 05, 2025 08:15 AM (BYt3l)

98 *I fully agree with you. Total bans are draconian and often turn out to have no merit*

Now do alcohol.

Posted by: The 1920s at January 05, 2025 08:17 AM (dg+HA)

99 What's a canola?
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at January 05, 2025 08:14 AM (dg+HA)

Can-Canada
Ola- Oil

Canadian Oil.

Posted by: Justin Trudeau, Caak And Sack Lover at January 05, 2025 08:18 AM (R/m4+)

100 Canola is obtained from glands located on the penguin's posterior. It is collected during the short summer season, when the penguin's hind feathers are shed in anticipation of the fall rut.

Posted by: Penguin Facts at January 05, 2025 08:18 AM (vFG9F)

101 I just looked at a list of U.S. foods that are banned in Europe. It's a long list. No more Little Debbie's for you.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at January 05, 2025 08:19 AM (SfhV1)

102 I have to remind myself of media rule 2: if something causes you immediate anger, fear, or disgust, there is a 99.5% probability that the something is bulls**t.

Posted by: Going deep. Out. at January 05, 2025 08:19 AM (DzAeV)

103 when the penguin's hind feathers are shed in anticipation of the fall rut.
Posted by: Penguin Facts at January 05, 2025 08:18 AM (vFG9F

So that's why it's also called rapeseed oil.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 08:20 AM (+iIV1)

104 Grammie,

What you are pointing out is that the least powerful are most helpless. Seniors in care homes, kids dependent on school lunches and breakfast, troops with no say in the rations provided.

Who decides what to feed them now? In most cases the same government that promulgated the food standards people are saying are bad.

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 05, 2025 08:20 AM (BYt3l)

105 98 *I fully agree with you. Total bans are draconian and often turn out to have no merit*

Now do alcohol.
Posted by: The 1920s at January 05, 2025 08:17 AM (dg+HA)

Exhibit A in "when are they gonna learn."

Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 08:21 AM (VnUSN)

106 Rape seed for cannola. It's a cabbage varient. Turning it into oil is the same process they use for paint thinner.

The government is quite willing to protect you from drinking raw milk or getting salt in products. There's no science involved because they get paid by food manufacturers to okay these additives. You're not going to break big Pharma without also dealing with the food industry.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 08:21 AM (NQtI0)

107 Total bans? Do you still miss cyclamates? Those were artificial sweeteners that were so good, they threatened the sugar industry. So they were banned.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 08:23 AM (NQtI0)

108 I have to remind myself of media rule 2: if something causes you immediate anger, fear, or disgust, there is a 99.5% probability that the something is bulls**t.
Posted by: Going deep. Out. at January 05, 2025 08:19 AM (DzAeV)

I'd add a correlary that if they had to be dragged kicking and screaming to report on it well after the fact, there's an inverse probability that it isn't bullshit.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 08:24 AM (+iIV1)

109 Aldi makes this claim:
"We removed certified synthetic colors, added MSG, and partially hydrogenated oils from all of our exclusive brand food products in 2015."

So there's that.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at January 05, 2025 08:25 AM (dg+HA)

110 1 I just looked at a list of U.S. foods that are banned in Europe. It's a long list.
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at January 05, 2025 08:19 AM (SfhV1)

And many of the banned foods are on that list to protect European farmers from competition. Not from a concern for the health of European citizens. US farmers are extraordinarily productive for a number of reasons. European farmers much less so. Hence we have to ban US agricultural products without specifically saying we are banning US products.

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 05, 2025 08:25 AM (BYt3l)

111 You get some fiber with your fruit. Fruit juice is actually unhealthy because it's straight fructose.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 08:25 AM (NQtI0)

112 Fruit juice is actually unhealthy because it's straight fructose.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 08:25 AM (NQtI0)

Crap. I love fruit juice.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at January 05, 2025 08:26 AM (SfhV1)

113 We removed certified synthetic colors, added MSG, and partially hydrogenated oils from all of our exclusive brand food products in 2015."

So there's that.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at January 05, 2025 08:25 AM (dg+HA)

All our synthetic food colors are uncertified now! Yay!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 08:26 AM (+iIV1)

114 >>>>I just looked at a list of U.S. foods that are banned in Europe. It's a long list. No more Little Debbie's for you.
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at January 05, 2025 08:19 AM (SfhV1)
*********
Banned in the EU: Rape seed oil
Allowed in the EU: Muslim rape

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at January 05, 2025 08:26 AM (NLph6)

115 Some European foods should be banned here. Like Haggis and black pepper potato chips (crisps).

Posted by: fd at January 05, 2025 08:27 AM (vFG9F)

116 And our oils are 100% hydrogenated!

Posted by: The REST of the story at January 05, 2025 08:28 AM (dg+HA)

117 Black Market Fudge Rounds.

Welcome to the future.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 08:28 AM (+iIV1)

118 And for those that think their food pyramid, with theunhealthy choices is gone, you're wrong. If your insurance gives you a break for their wellness program, you'll find they are still pushing low fat, low salt nonsense

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 08:29 AM (NQtI0)

119 Our local news is ate up with Jimmy Carter news. Did you know he grew peanuts and was president? Apparently, some people don't.

Posted by: fd at January 05, 2025 08:29 AM (vFG9F)

120 Psst...I can hook you up with Double Stufs. Name brand. The real deal.

Posted by: Sketchy guy in a trench coat at January 05, 2025 08:31 AM (dg+HA)

121 And our oils are 100% hydrogenated!
Posted by: The REST of the story at January 05, 2025 08:28 AM (dg+HA)

Chemically stabilized for longer shelf life!

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 05, 2025 08:32 AM (BYt3l)

122 You get some fiber with your fruit. Fruit juice is actually unhealthy because it's straight fructose.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 08:25 AM (NQtI0)

There's probably a volume thing going on too, right? You eat an apple, you eat an apple. You drink 8 oz of apple juice, and you're getting all the sugars and a bit of the vitamins of like 37 apples (i made that number up, whatever). Which once in a while is no big thing, but as a daily ritual, you might as well be whacking a six pack of beer every day.

Don't check my math. But you can hopefully see what I'm trying to get at.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 08:32 AM (+iIV1)

123 103 when the penguin's hind feathers are shed in anticipation of the fall rut.
Posted by: Penguin Facts at January 05, 2025 08:18 AM (vFG9F

So that's why it's also called rapeseed oil.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 08:20 AM (+iIV1)
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That's the mohammedan preferred oil.

Posted by: Ciampino - My date for New Year is January 5th at January 05, 2025 08:33 AM (i0xsb)

124 117 Black Market Fudge Rounds.

Welcome to the future.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 08:28 AM (+iIV1)

I know a guy who knows a guy.

Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 08:33 AM (VnUSN)

125 Scanning the Sunday paper headline asks "can green jet fuel lift farm income"?
No. Next question.

Posted by: From about That Time at January 05, 2025 08:34 AM (4780s)

126 Rape seed oil is cannola. You can see why they changed the name.

Americans no longer eat as much ketchup. We do salsa instead. It's impossible to get ketchup without HFCS, although I think Heinz now carries one without it. As far as I can tell, they don't put sugar in salsa.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 08:34 AM (NQtI0)

127 Will they ban chocolate chip cookies?

Posted by: dantesed at January 05, 2025 08:35 AM (Oy/m2)

128 can green jet fuel lift farm income"?
No. Next question.
Posted by: From about That Time at January 05, 2025 08:34 AM (4780s)

Pfft. I guess "Can the government cutting you a check to buy crappy biodiesel for your tractor lift farm income?" doesn't sound as Newsy.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 08:35 AM (+iIV1)

129
Salsa?
https://youtu.be/Uub_Oqwefwc

Posted by: Obligatory Seinfeld reference at January 05, 2025 08:36 AM (dg+HA)

130 Fruit juice is actually unhealthy because it's straight fructose.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 08:25 AM (NQtI0)

Crap. I love fruit juice.

If you love metabolic dysfunction then its a Win!

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at January 05, 2025 08:37 AM (rHxhM)

131 You can make chocolate chip cookies without HFCS and hydrogenated oils. No one is talking about banning sugar although it's not healthy. We just want an end to the industrial junk they add

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 08:38 AM (NQtI0)

132 Grape juice. Cranberry juice. Apple cider. What? I'm supposed to drink water? Yuck.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at January 05, 2025 08:39 AM (SfhV1)

133 109 Aldi makes this claim:
"We removed certified synthetic colors, added MSG, and partially hydrogenated oils from all of our exclusive brand food products in 2015."

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at January 05, 2025 08:25 AM (dg+HA)
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Bad grammar. You can read it that
collors were removed BUT MSG was added.
"We removed certified synthetic colors and partially hydrogenated oils and also stopped adding MSG to all of our ...."

Posted by: Ciampino - My date for New Year is January 5th at January 05, 2025 08:40 AM (i0xsb)

134 Next let's talk about how flour is processed.

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 05, 2025 08:40 AM (BYt3l)

135 LOL. I remember pointing out the 6 oz glasses for the orange juice to my daughter. "These are for orange juice."

Posted by: no one of any consequence at January 05, 2025 08:40 AM (ZmEVT)

136 Americans no longer eat as much ketchup. We do salsa instead. It's impossible to get ketchup without HFCS, although I think Heinz now carries one without it. As far as I can tell, they don't put sugar in salsa.

I'm imagining what salsa or pico would taste like as a substitute for ketchup on a hotdog.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at January 05, 2025 08:40 AM (rHxhM)

137 I would not worry about fructose unless one is obese. Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease.

The ersatz cooking oils really fuck up your gut. Took me a long time to figure that out. Butter and lard are healthy. Obesity is not healthy. Someday Ace should have a special TMI thread on … elimination and how diet affects this.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 05, 2025 08:41 AM (3lPIc)

138 "added" is an adjective in this case, not a verb.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at January 05, 2025 08:42 AM (ZmEVT)

139 Vegetable oils (soybean, corn, canola,etc) can really mess up a a septic system if you're doing a bunch down the drain every time you cook

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 08:42 AM (+iIV1)

140 I never pour oil/grease down the drain.

Philistines.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at January 05, 2025 08:43 AM (ZmEVT)

141 SYNTACTIC AMBIGUITY MAKES EVERYTHING FUNNIER

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at January 05, 2025 08:43 AM (+iIV1)

142 Sometime back I had a taste for grilled cheese sandwich and tomato soup. I picked up a couple cans of soup at the store and it was way too sweet. I mentioned it here and somebody suggested, and it's probably true, that they eliminated a lot of salt that gives it flavor but kills you and substituted it with sugar, which gives it flavor and kills you.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 05, 2025 08:44 AM (gm9Sb)

143 22 degrees but little wind.
Thinking cognac but have half cup of coffee to do for now

Posted by: Skip at January 05, 2025 08:45 AM (fwDg9)

144 Bad grammar. You can read it that
collors were removed BUT MSG was added.
"We removed certified synthetic colors and partially hydrogenated oils and also stopped adding MSG to all of our ...."
Posted by: Ciampino

I was wondering why they added MSG

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at January 05, 2025 08:45 AM (WL2lA)

145 141 SYNTACTIC AMBIGUITY MAKES EVERYTHING FUNNIER
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at January 05, 2025 08:43 AM (+iIV1)

Don't. Stop.

Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 08:45 AM (VnUSN)

146 Sugar is not “bad”. Sugar is good stuff.

But it is the food equivalent of Rocket Fuel. Many of us are not aiming for the stars, we are sitting on our ass watching TV.

If you restrict calories, sugar is OK in moderation. Most dietary advice is simply putting the cart before the horse. Eat a bunch of crap, and then go walk 3 miles to try and burn it off. Put the fucking fork down. If everyone started eating right their food budget would cut in half, and they would call out the National Guard. I’m only half joking.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 05, 2025 08:46 AM (3lPIc)

147 Common Tater. I have gut issues and yes when I eat deep fried foods they increase. I figured out it's the oil and I limit my consumption of fries, onion rings etc. I didn't realize how bad oil is for you. That said, why all of a sudden is this a hot topic? What started the discussion, new research?

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 05, 2025 08:46 AM (2NHgQ)

148 *Thinking cognac but have half cup of coffee to do for now*

Sure. I'll drink to that.

Posted by: Old Lady Emhoff at January 05, 2025 08:46 AM (dg+HA)

149 High fructose corn sysrup is slightly more than half fructose, the other being glucose.

Now do honey. Healthful stuff right?

Posted by: Ciampino - My date for New Year is January 5th at January 05, 2025 08:47 AM (i0xsb)

150 That said, why all of a sudden is this a hot topic? What started the discussion, new research?

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 05, 2025 08:46 AM (2NHgQ)

RFK Jr.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at January 05, 2025 08:47 AM (SfhV1)

151 With canned food they took out the fat. Remember Hormel chili used to have a thick layer of congealed grease. Fat is flavor (but $$, which is why they removed it). They added corn syrup in its stead to keep the calorie count, I suppose.

Most canned spaghetti sauce tastes like tomato candy.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 05, 2025 08:49 AM (3lPIc)

152 148
Cognac in espresso is yummy and great on icy days like today. Popular in the morning in Italy, coffee bar stop on the way to work. Very popular after the evening meal.

Posted by: Ciampino - My date for New Year is January 5th at January 05, 2025 08:50 AM (i0xsb)

153 Also why are fruits touted as healthy when they also contain lots of fructose?

Sort of like why running in general is good for you unless you have bad knees, morbidly obese a/o prone to heart-attacks. In which case, running, at this time, is probably not a good idea.

If your liver is trashed, might rethink how healthy for you fruits would be.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at January 05, 2025 08:50 AM (rHxhM)

154 142 Sometime back I had a taste for grilled cheese sandwich and tomato soup. I picked up a couple cans of soup at the store and it was way too sweet. I mentioned it here and somebody suggested, and it's probably true, that they eliminated a lot of salt that gives it flavor but kills you and substituted it with sugar, which gives it flavor and kills you.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 05, 2025 08:44 AM (gm9Sb)

Next time you make it, add sauteed veg and blend it into the canned soup, AT LEAST in the quantity of the soup you have...you'll love the finished product (although yes, you may want to salt your added veg a little)...

You can use any veg, even just tomatoes (and onions)...anything Italian that you like in normal tomato soup...(a can of roasted red peppers is also a very nice add if you are short time)...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 05, 2025 08:50 AM (exHjb)

155 151 With canned food they took out the fat. Remember Hormel chili used to have a thick layer of congealed grease. Fat is flavor (but $$, which is why they removed it). They added corn syrup in its stead to keep the calorie count, I suppose.

Most canned spaghetti sauce tastes like tomato candy.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 05, 2025 08:49 AM (3lPIc)
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Yes and Yes.

Posted by: Ciampino - My date for New Year is January 5th at January 05, 2025 08:51 AM (i0xsb)

156 Fructose is unhealthy for Obese people with impaired (always) liver function.

Fructose isn’t automatically turned to fat. Excess calories are always turned to fat. See the difference?

Posted by: Common Tater at January 05, 2025 08:51 AM (3lPIc)

157 Thoughty2 has a good video about MSG.
https://youtu.be/nu8sJQ_D0b0
16 Minutes.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at January 05, 2025 08:51 AM (dg+HA)

158 Fruit provides a lot more than just fructose (it's not all fructose, there are other -oses) and fiber -- vitamins, minerals, and various phytonutrients. I love frozen blueberries. I probably eat too much of them.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 05, 2025 08:51 AM (KAi1n)

159 147 I gave up on McD's fries a long time ago, and just about any fast food fries gives me the burps and aftertaste. Every so often, I'll break out the fry daddy and make up some french fries. When I do it, I do it right with beef tallow. No digestive problems.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 05, 2025 08:52 AM (gm9Sb)

160 147 Common Tater. I have gut issues and yes when I eat deep fried foods they increase. I figured out it's the oil and I limit my consumption of fries, onion rings etc. I didn't realize how bad oil is for you. That said, why all of a sudden is this a hot topic? What started the discussion, new research?
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 05, 2025 08:46 AM (2NHgQ)

Theory - the dairy industry, b/c everyone was moving to oil over butter. With olive oil's spiking price, folks were falling down to these options.

Posted by: Nova Local at January 05, 2025 08:52 AM (exHjb)

161 Will they ban chocolate chip cookies?
Posted by: dantesed at January 05, 2025 08:35 AM (Oy/m2)

Oatmeal raisin cookies are the healthy alternative.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 05, 2025 08:52 AM (Aqu9a)

162 158 frozen blueberries
Posted by: SFGoth at January 05, 2025 08:51 AM (KAi1n)

yum

Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 08:53 AM (VnUSN)

163 Frozen peaches are good.

Posted by: m at January 05, 2025 08:53 AM (VnUSN)

164 Most canned spaghetti sauce tastes like tomato candy.
Posted by: Common Tater

The added sugar in spaghetti sauce is unreal. Tomato (being a fruit) is already high enough in it. I just buy a can of pure tomato paste and season it myself. Not having a well-developed sense of taste helps. Ground lamb with garlic, onions, mushrooms, black olives, cabbage of some sort, various spices, and tomato paste. Tasty enough and healthy.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 05, 2025 08:56 AM (KAi1n)

165 There is this $5 Ketchup from Heinz. No sufar added. Ot has 8 grams of carbs per half cup. I use that for meatloaf.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 05, 2025 08:57 AM (2Jptx)

166 69 degrees going to 75 today before dropping to 29 overnight as the polar coldpocalypse comes to town.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 05, 2025 08:57 AM (Aqu9a)

167 Godfather 1. Clemenza shows off a pretty good recipe for pasta sauce,especially if you're cooking for twenty guys gone to the mattresses.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 05, 2025 08:59 AM (gm9Sb)

168 Oh, and frying anything is bad. I forget what they call those things -- AGEs? Advanced glycation end products? Bad stuff I hear.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 05, 2025 08:59 AM (KAi1n)

169 I liken it to an engine idling. Humans need to move.

If you let an old school car engine idle all the time, it will get loaded up, and start to foul, and build up sludge. Restrict calories, and run a little on the lean side so to speak. Calorie restriction was shown to extend life many years ago in animal studies. Or more correctly, overeating reduces life expectancy.

You rarely ever see an Obese elderly person. 100 year old fat guy? Nope. Never mind Quality of life and mobility.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 05, 2025 08:59 AM (3lPIc)

170 We have ice storm warnings. Apparently if you get a half inch or so you get power outages.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 05, 2025 08:59 AM (2Jptx)

171 I think raising "food awareness" is about the best anyone can hope for. There's simply too much graft and corruption in the food (and medical) industries to think that legislation will ever be enacted to "fix" either.

Demand for better food stuffs may have an effect but that is obviously debatable. It hasn't done shit for the medical sector has it?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 05, 2025 09:00 AM (Q4IgG)

172 Grab your reading glasses and head upstairs
BOOK NOOD

Posted by: Skip at January 05, 2025 09:00 AM (fwDg9)

173 Great article.

https://tinyurl.com/3rmn75xd

The oil plot. This went hand in hand with the cholesterol scare, unscientific but profitable.

Posted by: Ciampino - My date for New Year is January 5th at January 05, 2025 09:00 AM (i0xsb)

174
BOOKS

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 05, 2025 09:01 AM (gbOdA)

175 OT from food for a second, but the portable Starlink receiver Pixy mentioned up top looks like a great piece of equipment to build onto the roof of a tricked-out van or RV . You might need a cover for it ro protect it when not in use.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 05, 2025 09:01 AM (cou9r)

176 yeah why is sugar in everything dammit

Posted by: Don Black at January 05, 2025 09:02 AM (/7KEl)

177 Aldi makes this claim:
"We removed certified synthetic colors, added MSG, and partially hydrogenated oils from all of our exclusive brand food products in 2015."

Well, this could mean they removed certified synthetic colors, then added MSG, and then partially hydrogenated oils from all of their exclusive brand food products.

Why would they add MSG to their exclusive products only to take it out?

Posted by: SFGoth at January 05, 2025 09:02 AM (KAi1n)

178 I demand food

Posted by: Don Black at January 05, 2025 09:02 AM (/7KEl)

179 Yes, they say honey is bad for you. But I tested and it did not cause a glucose spike. I will keep using it

Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 05, 2025 09:04 AM (NQtI0)

180 My observation is one can eat just about anything, on a calorie restricted diet. This is what they don’t tell you. Your body will utilize every molecule almost. I think it is the excess calories that have a synergistic bad effect, above and beyond what is necessary. It’s not so much what we eat, though how much.

If you restrict calories, you will naturally gravitate towards healthy foods that taste good. And take special care in selection and preparation. If I’m going to “sin”, it better taste good. That means good food, not chemistry experiments

Posted by: Common Tater at January 05, 2025 09:06 AM (3lPIc)

181 Sugar is in everything because it is cheap and it tastes good.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 05, 2025 09:08 AM (2Jptx)

182 They mean exogenous but no one knows what that means so they say added but that's not the right word but nobody gives a damn about their woobly wobbly corpo-speak word-vomit anyway so bleeeeeurgh.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 09:08 AM (+iIV1)

183 And it's addictive.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at January 05, 2025 09:19 AM (dg+HA)

184 Didn't get here in time to participate but still in time to read the presentation. Today is read and eat day so I shall wash clothes and do chores. After reading what Pixy has to say.
'morning.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 05, 2025 09:48 AM (E7bCG)

185 But if there's gonna be a system in place where personal health is made a public liability, then the same people given the authority to force you to eat healthy can also force you to eat unhealthy.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 05, 2025 07:46 AM

Zombie has a great essay on this:

Why America Hates Universal Health Care: The Real Reason

But if the bill for your foolishness shows up in the form of higher taxes on me, then I unwillingly start to care what you do. And, trust me on this, you don’t want me turning my heartless judgmental eye on your foolish lifestyle. Because I’d have no qualms criticizing half the stuff you do.

Do you want that? No. Do I want that? No. And that’s the point. Instituting a single-payer universal health-care system, or even a watered-down version as the government is now proposing, compels me to become a meddlesome busybody in your personal choices. And it will compel you to become a meddlesome busybody in everyone else’s personal choices. It forever douses the beautiful flame of individualism — freedom to act without interference, just so long as you are ready to accept the consequences, whatever they may be.

https://bit.ly/40aQEps

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 05, 2025 12:08 PM (P5BPp)

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