THE MORNING RANT: A Criminal Conviction and a Reminder - There Are College Students from China Spying on U.S. Defense Facilities

Amidst all the chatter about mysterious drones on the eastern seaboard, and talk of foreign nationals coming to this country to attend college or gain employment under special status, how has this story from a few months ago not received more widespread attention?

A Chinese national named Fengyun Shi, who came to the United States to attend college in Minnesota, was arrested and convicted of spying on operations at the Newport News naval Shipyard via drone. He also flew his drone over the BAE shipyard in nearby Norfolk. BAE is a defense contractor that provides “...some of the world's most advanced, technology-led defence, aerospace and security solutions…we develop, engineer, manufacture, and support products and systems to deliver military capability, protect national security and people, and keep critical information and infrastructure secure.” These military shipyards are in Virginia, not Minnesota, where Mr. Shi was supposed to be attending college.

This story had completely escaped my notice until I came across this tweet from The Virginian Pilot newspaper a few days ago.

A Chinese student was charged with six misdemeanor counts under the Espionage Act after his drone got stuck in a tree near Newport News Shipbuilding.

Read more from @PeteDujardin:https://t.co/ScHNKetgmL
— The Virginian-Pilot (@virginianpilot) December 27, 2024

While the national news clearly ignored this story as nothing more than a local crime story, it did get a little bit of local press in Minnesota and Virginia. The story is partly comical, as this Chinese spy got caught when his drone got stuck in a tree, but it is deeply disturbing too.

As reported in Wired magazine last May, despite being in this country to attend graduate school, Fengyun Shi was taking a break from his studies at the University of Minnesota, at which time he traveled to Virginia. While flying a drone in inclement weather (e.g. when there was cloud cover that prevented Chinese satellites from being able to spy) Mr. Shi accidentally got a drone stuck in a tree in a residence just outside the Newport News naval yard. This shipyard produces the United States’ nuclear submarines, among other warships.

When Mr. Shi approached the house to try to get his drone out of the tree, the property’s occupant asked for Mr. Shi’s ID. The occupant then took pictures of Mr. Shi’s ID, along with the license plate of Shi’s rental car, and then called the police. The police advised Mr. Shi to remain there while they called the fire department to get the drone out of the tree, but instead, Mr. Shi fled. Federal officials recovered the drone and found forbidden photographs in a memory card that was on the drone.

When the FBI seized the drone and pulled the photos off its memory card, they discovered images that special agent Shalowitz said she recognized as being taken at Newport News Shipyard and BAE Systems, which is a 45-minute drive away. The affidavit states that on the day Shi took the photos, the Newport News Shipyard was “actively manufacturing” aircraft carriers and Virginia class nuclear submarines.
“Naval aircraft carriers have classified and sensitive systems throughout the carriers,” the affidavit states. “The nuclear submarines present on that date also have highly classified and sensitive Navy Nuclear Propulsion Information (‘NNPI’ and those submarines even in the design and construction phase are sensitive and classified.”

Mr. Shi was charged with multiple criminal misdemeanors in violation of the Espionage Act, including the prohibited filming of a military installation, as well as the prohibited use of aircraft to criminally spy on U.S. military facilities. He subsequently pled guilty to several espionage charges. There’s much more that I am getting to, but how is espionage by a foreign national on U.S. soil only a misdemeanor?

In October of this year, Fengyun Shi was sentenced to six months in prison. This October article from the Minneapolis Star Tribune reveals some more information about Mr. Shi that is very troubling….

Mr. Shi bought the drone on January 3, then flew from San Francisco to Norfolk the next day. On January 5 he flew the drone over the BAE shipyard, before heading down to Newport News on January 6, the day his drone got stuck in a tree while photographing the naval shipyard. After he fled from the scene of his snagged drone, he returned to the Bay area in California, where he was arrested on January 18 ”…before he could board a one-way flight to China.”

If all this isn’t crazy enough, at his sentencing in October in U.S. District Court, Fengyun Shi “was also ordered to be on court supervision for one year after his release as part of his sentence under a World War II-era statute that is part of the Espionage Act.”

Why is this convicted spy, who is a Chinese citizen, going to be released into the United States “on court supervision” after his release from federal prison for spying on the Unites States of America?! In what inverted world is this happening?

Coincidentally, the Wall Street Journal reported this story about drones swarming around Virginia military facilities in October of 2024:

“Mystery Drones Swarmed a U.S. Military Base for 17 Days. The Pentagon Is Stumped. U.S. officials don’t know who is behind the drones that have flown unhindered over sensitive national-security sites—or how to stop them” [WSJ – 10/12/2024]

The drones headed south, across Chesapeake Bay, toward Norfolk, Va., and over an area that includes the home base for the Navy’s SEAL Team Six and Naval Station Norfolk, the world’s largest naval port.

If we don’t want Chinese spies doing surveillance work around U.S. military installations, a blindingly obvious way to stop it is to not allow Chinese spies into our country under cover of student visas or work visas.

Daniel Horowitz noted in a series of tweets that over the past two decades the number of foreign students in America has nearly tripled, to 1.5 million, of which over 330,000 are from China. He added, “The notion that we'd have hundreds of thousands of foreign students from a country we are essentially at war with is insane, especially after espionage and trade theft run rampant.”

In 2006, we had 580k foreign students in America. 10 years later, the number swelled to 1.5 million, where it is today. Another legacy of Obama but embraced by both parties.
— Daniel Horowitz (@RMConservative) December 30, 2024

It's even more insane that we are letting these foreign “students” who are not even enrolled in college stay in the country so they can spy on our military facilities, and even after they’re convicted and sentenced, they’ll be turned loose in the U.S. to continue spying rather than being deported as hostile foreign agents.

The only explanation for importing foreigners who seek to harm our country is to understand that the people allowing this to happen also seek to weaken and harm the United States.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 Good morning good people.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 03, 2025 11:00 AM (WXNFJ)

2 First!

Posted by: Black JEM at January 03, 2025 11:00 AM (GZYu7)

3 uno!

Posted by: Gref at January 03, 2025 11:00 AM (aBgBM)

4 Damn - just missed.

Posted by: Black JEM at January 03, 2025 11:00 AM (GZYu7)

5 not-o!

Posted by: Gref at January 03, 2025 11:01 AM (aBgBM)

6 A Chinese national named Fengyun Shi

Damn, now I want Funyuns. I love Funyuns.

Posted by: Bulg at January 03, 2025 11:03 AM (77rzZ)

7 Mystery Drones=Government Op. That is all.

Posted by: tubal at January 03, 2025 11:03 AM (PCK5/)

8 If you watch Indian newscasts they refer to the US Democrat party as the China party.

They aren't wrong

Posted by: 18-1 at January 03, 2025 11:03 AM (t0Rmr)

9 I suspect he was a freelancer. The Chinese government would have just paid a US admiral or Senator for all the info they wanted.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 03, 2025 11:04 AM (ExV1e)

10 Festive little hats?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at January 03, 2025 11:04 AM (C/aog)

11 A Chinese student was charged with six misdemeanor counts under the Espionage Act

Why is anything under the Espionage Act a misdemeanor?

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at January 03, 2025 11:04 AM (5n7Gi)

12 Here's a hint for the feds - he wasn't a student.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 03, 2025 11:04 AM (lTGtQ)

13 11 A Chinese student was charged with six misdemeanor counts under the Espionage Act

Why is anything under the Espionage Act a misdemeanor?
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at January 03, 2025 11:04 AM (5n7Gi)

Because foreign governments control DC??

Posted by: tubal at January 03, 2025 11:05 AM (PCK5/)

14 Improved Electric Chinese Spies, whose batteries never burst into flames...

Posted by: XTC at January 03, 2025 11:06 AM (UnA8+)

15 Chinese spies and Middle Eastern terrorists... preferred by the Democrats over almost anyone else.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 03, 2025 11:06 AM (Q4IgG)

16 Dog food made out of Chinese may not be a seller but progress demands it.

Posted by: pudinhead at January 03, 2025 11:06 AM (jFCkp)

17 State Department documents reveal secret plans to route ‘censorship’ office to new hub

The Global Engagement Center, the office that Republicans accused of working with groups aiming to demonetize right-leaning media outlets in the United States, shut down in late 2024 upon lawmakers agreeing to no longer fund it. However, in a non-public letter to members of Congress on Dec. 6, the State Department outlined its plans to “realign” more than 50 GEC officials and tens of millions of dollars in funding to a hub purporting to counter foreign interference, documents show.

The plans, which have not been reported on until now, will likely lead to investigations from Republicans into the State Department’s handling of the GEC’s closure.

Posted by: SMOD at January 03, 2025 11:07 AM (RHGPo)

18 Willow-esqued...

From yesterday:
https://tinyurl.com/2psm56ca
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy

Police identified the plane as a home-built Van's Aircraft RV-10 with seating for four people. The pilot appeared to be returning to the airport after takeoff, police said. It was not clear how many people were onboard the plane.
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AZ Intel @AZ_Intel_ Jan 2
Fullerton, California police: "Plane crash in the 2300 block of Raymer Ave. The media staging area is the Southeast corner of Raymer Ave and Gilbert St. Unknown casualties. Evacuations are underway in the 2300 block of Raymer. Avoid the area. PD PIO en route."

AZ Intel @AZ_Intel_
UPDATE: Casualties reported after small plane crashes into commercial warehouse in Fullerton, California.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 03, 2025 11:07 AM (hovnC)

19 When I am elected your King, My Decrees will make it possible for Mr. Shi, and all others like him, to save $$ on plane tickets.

Your Majesty will, however, deduct burial expenses from their accounts.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 03, 2025 11:07 AM (WXNFJ)

20 I suspect he was a freelancer. The Chinese government would have just paid a US admiral or Senator for all the info they wanted.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic

Cheaper to use someone who's family is being held hostage.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at January 03, 2025 11:07 AM (5n7Gi)

21 If he had used a balloon, it would have avoided all of this.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 03, 2025 11:07 AM (lTGtQ)

22 how is espionage by a foreign national on U.S. soil only a misdemeanor?
“on court supervision” after his release from federal prison for spying on the Unites States of America?!
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Buck asks the questions that the press won’t and the government would prefer we did not know.

Posted by: scampydog at January 03, 2025 11:07 AM (2bFN5)

23 Shawn Ryan will be dropping a podcast episode later today that will feature Sam Shoemate, a former intelligence analyst, who received an emailed manifesto from the green beret who then blew up a cyber truck outside the LV Trump Hotel.

I'll post a link when it drops.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 03, 2025 11:08 AM (+JWyd)

24 The Global Engagement Center, the office that Republicans accused of working with groups aiming to demonetize right-leaning media outlets in the United States, shut down in late 2024 upon lawmakers agreeing to no longer fund it. However, in a non-public letter to members of Congress on Dec. 6, the State Department outlined its plans to “realign” more than 50 GEC officials and tens of millions of dollars in funding to a hub purporting to counter foreign interference, documents show.

The plans, which have not been reported on until now, will likely lead to investigations from Republicans into the State Department’s handling of the GEC’s closure.
Posted by: SMOD

Burn it all down and start over. We couldn't possibly be worse off.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 03, 2025 11:09 AM (WXNFJ)

25 New California Law Requires Gun Dealers to Warn Customers About Alleged Dangers of Gun Ownership

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I assume the warning will read, "Guns are bad, mmmKay?"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 03, 2025 11:09 AM (L/fGl)

26 New California Law Requires Gun Dealers to Warn Customers About Alleged Dangers of Gun Ownership

Put up a poster with the caption "You'll Shoot Your Eye Out" and a picture of everyone from "A Christmas Story" who said that.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 03, 2025 11:11 AM (ExV1e)

27 zerohedge @zerohedge 3h
Years Of Repeat Central Planning Mistakes Have Doomed China's Economy zerohedge.com/economics/year…

Scott Adams @ScottAdamsSays 2h
How does China survive the age of robots? They will permanently lose their cost advantage for manufacturing.

The Gateway Pundit @gatewaypundit 13h
U.S. Army Soldier Arrested for Allegedly Hacking Trump and Kamala Harris’s Phones, Selling “Confidential Phone Records” Online
thegatewaypundit.com/2025/01…

Scott Adams @ScottAdamsSays 2h
If an average hacker can get into major telecom systems like this, imagine what China is already into.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 03, 2025 11:11 AM (hovnC)

28 I'm of two minds when it comes to drone stories like this. Yes, we are being spied on by agents of foreign countries (and enemies) that we suicideally let into our country. And we don't do much about it.

On the other hand, the recent fixation on drones seems calculated to set the stage for ... wait for it ... heavy gov't regulation of drones and their owners.

I'm not sure which is worse: Chinese kids with drones spying for China, or the venal US bureaucrats and feral deep state in charge of all drones (and their owners).

Posted by: Elric The Blade at January 03, 2025 11:12 AM (iFTx/)

29 New California Law Requires Gun Dealers to Warn Customers About Alleged Dangers of Gun Ownership

B e
A ware
N oob
G un owner
!

Posted by: Alt Universe California at January 03, 2025 11:12 AM (A75H2)

30 The age of MAGA.

“Wallace & Gromit: Vengeance Most Fowl” Review: Family Fun a Long Time Coming

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 03, 2025 11:13 AM (L/fGl)

31 University of Illinois, and plenty of other top college engineering programs have many many Chinese students.

Posted by: jeff at January 03, 2025 11:14 AM (ZiwLX)

32 The university where I don't teach at anymore, except when I need beer money, is located next to a large DoD base. The Chinese set up aConfucius Institute office there. "The Confucius institutes are educational partnerships between schools in the United States and other countries and entities in the People's Republic of China (PRC)."
Yeah right.
They also are likely used by China for espionage. I was teaching Chinese business classes when they set up the office. The students were absolutely frightened of the guy who was running it. I met him once.
Yeah.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 03, 2025 11:15 AM (W/lyH)

33 I'm not sure which is worse: Chinese kids with drones spying for China, or the venal US bureaucrats and feral deep state in charge of all drones (and their owners).
Posted by: Elric The Blade at January 03, 2025 11:12 AM (iFTx/)

Seriously... what classified information could be gotten from flying a drone overhead during construction? The compartment layout?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 03, 2025 11:15 AM (ExV1e)

34 >18 AZ Intel @AZ_Intel_
UPDATE: Casualties reported after small plane crashes into commercial warehouse in Fullerton, California.
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 03, 2025 11:07 AM (hovnC)

Has Harrison Ford been accounted for?

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at January 03, 2025 11:15 AM (eb5mD)

35 Using drones to spy cuts into the bribed US Officials' paid for info graft.

So of course they will impose heavy regs on drones.

Posted by: davidt at January 03, 2025 11:16 AM (i0F8b)

36 ... how has this story from a few months ago not received more widespread attention?

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Because The Junta, Obama/Biden/Harris/Clinton/Gore Crime Families, half of Congress, and MDM-MSM are bought and paid for -- and blackmailed -- by the Chinese Communist Party?

/Where do I collect my winnings?

Posted by: ShainS -- Eliminate vast bureaucracies of civil servants, no longer servants and no longer civil at January 03, 2025 11:17 AM (WA0Dj)

37 Isn't hanging the normal punishment for enemy spies?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2025 11:17 AM (8zz6B)

38 Foreign students pay full tuition.

Every Chinese national is hostage/employee of the CCP.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 03, 2025 11:17 AM (RIvkX)

39 And besides the CPC Police Stations spread throughout North America, it's common knowledge here that Chinese student-visa holders are used by the Reds to counter-protest against anti-Beijing activists.

And one of the scandals destroying Justin's government here is Chinese agents having interfered in local Party candidate nominations at the [voting district] riding level; as well as influencing already-elected unnamed MPs.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 03, 2025 11:18 AM (hovnC)

40 I thought it would be fun to shoot drones with a shotgun but upon further investigation, commercial drones are allowed to fly up to an altitude of 400' or about 4X the effective range of a bog standard shotgun. Darn it.

Posted by: Oglebay at January 03, 2025 11:18 AM (7fVdQ)

41 Has Harrison Ford been accounted for?

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell

John Denver and Steve Fossett have been.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 03, 2025 11:18 AM (lTGtQ)

42 Well, I'm off to the dump! Later, Y'all!

Posted by: Bulg at January 03, 2025 11:19 AM (77rzZ)

43 Jimmy Carter Reflected on 1980 Olympic Boycott: “A Bad Decision”

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A drop in the ocean of bad decisions, Jimbo.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 03, 2025 11:19 AM (L/fGl)

44 A Chinese student was charged with six misdemeanor counts under the Espionage Act after his drone got stuck in a tree near Newport News Shipbuilding.

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WTAF? How is any count of Espionage a misdemeanor?

We are a profoundly unserious country with a suicidal death wish ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Eliminate vast bureaucracies of civil servants, no longer servants and no longer civil at January 03, 2025 11:19 AM (WA0Dj)

45 Isn't hanging the normal punishment for enemy spies?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2025 11:17 AM (8zz6B)

Only during war. In peacetime you trade them for minor celebrities and insignificant sports figures.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 03, 2025 11:20 AM (ExV1e)

46 Jimmy Carter Reflected on 1980 Olympic Boycott: “A Bad Decision”

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A drop in the ocean of bad decisions, Jimbo.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Yeah, that's the one that sticks out....

Not even in the top 50.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 03, 2025 11:21 AM (lTGtQ)

47 There’s much more that I am getting to, but how is espionage by a foreign national on U.S. soil only a misdemeanor?

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I guess I was channeling Buck before I got to this paragraph ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Eliminate vast bureaucracies of civil servants, no longer servants and no longer civil at January 03, 2025 11:21 AM (WA0Dj)

48 Foreign students pay full price at US universities. The Universities will fight all out to keep the current system unchanged.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 03, 2025 11:22 AM (u82oZ)

49 11:03:22 AM The House received a communication from Representative Gonzalez-Colon wherein she resigns as a member of the House of Representatives effective at 11:59 p.m. on January 1, 2025, to allow her to become Governor of Puerto Rico

Posted by: SMOD at January 03, 2025 11:22 AM (RHGPo)

50 Casual reminder: all PRC grad students are considered property of the PRC. No exceptions.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 03, 2025 11:23 AM (IG4Id)

51 THE MONEY BEIJING TOOK OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE’S POCKETS? China Raises Salaries for Government Workers to Boost Spending. “The Communist Party hasn’t published a public announcement on this month’s wage hikes, making it hard to determine the scope of the program or who will foot the bill. But the unexpected increase extends to teachers, policemen and bureaucrats from around the nation of 1.4 billion people, the people said.”

It’s a bit like Daylight Savings, the equivalent of cutting off a piece of rope and tying it back onto the other end of the original rope to make a longer rope.

Posted at 10:42 am by Stephen Green

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 03, 2025 11:23 AM (hovnC)

52 I thought it would be fun to shoot drones with a shotgun but upon further investigation, commercial drones are allowed to fly up to an altitude of 400' or about 4X the effective range of a bog standard shotgun. Darn it.
Posted by: Oglebay at January 03, 2025 11:18 AM (7fVdQ)

And this is precisely why you should be able to install a Phalanx CIWS at your home. Sure, I can see the government restricting the sale of depleted uranium ammunition but the regular stuff would work fine.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 03, 2025 11:23 AM (ExV1e)

53 Why is this convicted spy, who is a Chinese citizen, going to be released into the United States “on court supervision” after his release from federal prison for spying on the Unites States of America?! In what inverted world is this happening?

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We wouldn't want to deprive him of a job as Nanzi Pelosi's chauffeur or Eric Shartwell's honeypot lover.

Posted by: ShainS -- Eliminate vast bureaucracies of civil servants, no longer servants and no longer civil at January 03, 2025 11:24 AM (WA0Dj)

54 Representative Gonzalez-Colon wherein . . .
Posted by: SMOD

Heh, heh. He said 'Colon'.

Posted by: Bevis at January 03, 2025 11:24 AM (WXNFJ)

55 Nippon Steel got shot down on buying US Steel.

Not sure how I feel about this, it is likely that US Steel will close now.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 03, 2025 11:24 AM (lTGtQ)

56 Nippon Steel got shot down on buying US Steel.

Not sure how I feel about this, it is likely that US Steel will close now.
Posted by: Thomas Paine

That'll show us!!

Posted by: Tonypete at January 03, 2025 11:25 AM (WXNFJ)

57 Traitors within, traitors without. Washington is full of traitors, as are most state capitols.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:26 AM (ynpvh)

58 “Mystery Drones Swarmed a U.S. Military Base for 17 Days. The Pentagon Is Stumped. U.S. officials don’t know who is behind the drones that have flown unhindered over sensitive national-security sites—or how to stop them”

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Space Lasers FTW!

Make Reagan's "Star Wars" Great Again!

Posted by: ShainS -- Eliminate vast bureaucracies of civil servants, no longer servants and no longer civil at January 03, 2025 11:26 AM (WA0Dj)

59 So the House's Colon has been evacuated??

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 03, 2025 11:26 AM (hovnC)

60 Heh, heh. He said 'Colon'.
Posted by: Bevis at January 03, 2025 11:24 AM (WXNFJ)

Puerto Rico is being Colon-ized!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2025 11:26 AM (8zz6B)

61 58 “Mystery Drones Swarmed a U.S. Military Base for 17 Days. The Pentagon Is Stumped. U.S. officials don’t know who is behind the drones that have flown unhindered over sensitive national-security sites—or how to stop them”

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Space Lasers FTW!

Make Reagan's "Star Wars" Great Again!

Posted by: ShainS -- Eliminate vast bureaucracies of civil servants, no longer servants and no longer civil at January 03, 2025 11:26 AM (WA0Dj)

Ya know what you do to tree stumps in a field? You removed them...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:27 AM (ynpvh)

62 Nippon Steel got shot down on buying US Steel.

Not sure how I feel about this, it is likely that US Steel will close now.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 03, 2025 11:24 AM (lTGtQ)

Or they'll try again in 3 weeks.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 03, 2025 11:27 AM (ExV1e)

63 University of Illinois, and plenty of other top college engineering programs have many many Chinese students.
Posted by: jeff at January 03, 2025 11:14 AM (ZiwLX)
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Can confirm. We have A LOT of Chinese students and faculty at my campus. It's a STEM school where 90%+ of the students are in an engineering program. The graduate programs are chock-full of foreign students compared to the undergraduate programs.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2025 11:27 AM (BpYfr)

64 55 Nippon Steel got shot down on buying US Steel.

Not sure how I feel about this, it is likely that US Steel will close now.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 03, 2025 11:24 AM (lTGtQ)

Isn't Cliffs interested in X?

Posted by: Oglebay at January 03, 2025 11:27 AM (7fVdQ)

65 I used to have a different nic

Every Chinese citizen is considered a potential spy. The 1,000 grains of rice or some such program.

Happened to me on the Metro going to Bethesda, in Service Dress Blues. A female Chinese graduate student wanted to know about Yorktown NWS, and details of Norfolk Air Station.

I gave NIS a full description, including cup size, but no information.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 03, 2025 11:27 AM (u82oZ)

66 Seeing reports where a new nuclear class sub sank in Wuhan while under construction or something- quick search on net from around last September.

Posted by: Rex B at January 03, 2025 11:27 AM (A75H2)

67 Or they'll try again in 3 weeks.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic

I heard Trump opposed it too. We are running out of domestic steel operations.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 03, 2025 11:28 AM (lTGtQ)

68 So.... if I were to try to fly a drone, even a Chinese DJI one over a military base the software used to control it would not permit me to even takeoff anywhere near that installation. Plus, any drone over a certain weight must be licensed and the operator insured. And be certified by the FAA.

All of which means jack shit here, but still... how'd this fucker get a drone over a sensitive military facility when any normal person would have been prohibited from even trying.

Yea, it's all rhetorical, but just goes to show the feds are not interested in anyone here doing actual spying. For China or anyone else.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 03, 2025 11:28 AM (Q4IgG)

69 Breaking911 @Breaking911 15m
Senator John Thune's nameplate installed on the door of the Senate Republican Leaders suite.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 03, 2025 11:28 AM (hovnC)

70 I'll add another point to my comment above:

Chinese students flying commercially-available drones over construction sites is hardly the way a very sophisticated China does its spying. Shit like this is decoys. The real spying is much more sophisticated, harder to detect, and probably relies heavily on human assets.

China could probably get the full detailed plans of whatever is being built there just by bribing or honeypotting some treasonous DOD idiot. Hell, they probably already have them.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at January 03, 2025 11:29 AM (iFTx/)

71 70 I'll add another point to my comment above:

Chinese students flying commercially-available drones over construction sites is hardly the way a very sophisticated China does its spying. Shit like this is decoys. The real spying is much more sophisticated, harder to detect, and probably relies heavily on human assets.

China could probably get the full detailed plans of whatever is being built there just by bribing or honeypotting some treasonous DOD idiot. Hell, they probably already have them.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at January 03, 2025 11:29 AM (iFTx/)

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The weakest link in any security system is always humans.

And it's not like there's a dearth of evidence about how deep the Chinese have penetrated our government at the highest levels.

If Diane Feinstein had wanted to get building plans for her driver, she did it. I'm sure the Chinese aren't hurting for resources after she died. Her staff is probably still employed by someone important.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 03, 2025 11:30 AM (GBKbO)

72 I gave NIS a full description, including cup size, but no information.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 03, 2025 11:27 AM (u82oZ)
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As any true moron would.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 03, 2025 11:30 AM (RIvkX)

73 I know how to fix this. We need to increase immigration levels, and lift the cap on H1B visas.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 03, 2025 11:30 AM (uCjyK)

74 Every Chinese citizen is considered a potential spy.

Sure. I wasn't questioning intent, just effectiveness. In the case of submarines, for example, when they have the hull opened at the reactor compartment... it's covered, when the propeller is out of the water... it's covered. They did that back in the 80s, way before drones.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 03, 2025 11:31 AM (ExV1e)

75 Burn it all down and start over. We couldn't possibly be worse off.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 03, 2025 11:09 AM (WXNFJ)

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Trump should eliminate the treasonous Department of State; get rid of ambassadors and use personal envoys.

Little Marco hardest hit ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Eliminate vast bureaucracies of civil servants, no longer servants and no longer civil at January 03, 2025 11:31 AM (WA0Dj)

76 60
Speaking of colons...OT:
I'm so pissed with the company that is supposed to ship my colostomy supplies. First it was an issue with insurance. I was left a message that my order could not be processed, called them back, GAVE them the ph#s and website of the company they had to deal with (ins intermediary). A week later, get a call again that my order could not be processed. Call them back, they can't get ins authorization, so I ask for my account # with them, contact the ins intermediary MYSELF, get issue resolved. So no messages from supplies company, my supplies are running low (as in a week+ left), get message that they won't ship the supplies until Jan 12th. Call them up, get frustrated with auto system that won't let me talk to a live person, but somehow, after calling a few #s, get a live one, who tells me shipment is delayed because they haven't received some document from the doctor's office. I'm getting really, really pissed now. Ask for ph#s to call them with info, called my doc office, give info, asked for alternative supplies as I'm running out. What a shitty situation, literally.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:31 AM (ynpvh)

77 Seems to me that development of anti-drone tech, or counter-drones would be a fruitful area of experimentation for those so inclined.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2025 11:32 AM (8zz6B)

78 New California Law Requires Gun Dealers to Warn Customers About Alleged Dangers of Gun Ownership

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I assume the warning will read, "Guns are bad, mmmKay?"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 03, 2025 11:09 AM (L/fGl)

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"Firearms are known to the State of California to cause cancer."

Posted by: ShainS -- Eliminate vast bureaucracies of civil servants, no longer servants and no longer civil at January 03, 2025 11:32 AM (WA0Dj)

79 Why is this convicted spy, who is a Chinese citizen, going to be released into the United States “on court supervision” after his release from federal prison for spying on the Unites States of America?! In what inverted world is this happening?

In a slightly more perfect world, to find his other contacts / accomplices / nodes , etc. But we don't live in that world, do we?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 03, 2025 11:32 AM (IG4Id)

80 Coincidentally (or perhaps not) i read an article in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune last week that was "concerned" about the drop in American high school grads attending college, but also questioned the accuracy of those numbers, since they noted that Minnesota college enrollment was up.
Makes sense now how that's possible- You replace the lost American kids with a bunch of foreigners.

Posted by: Wally at January 03, 2025 11:32 AM (Dv/or)

81 Seeing reports where a new nuclear class sub sank in Wuhan while under construction or something- quick search on net from around last September.
Posted by: Rex B at January 03, 2025 11:27 AM (A75H2)

Wuhan is pretty far inland so that seems unlikely.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 03, 2025 11:32 AM (ExV1e)

82 78 New California Law Requires Gun Dealers to Warn Customers About Alleged Dangers of Gun Ownership

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I assume the warning will read, "Guns are bad, mmmKay?"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 03, 2025 11:09 AM (L/fGl)

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"Firearms are known to the State of California to cause cancer."

Posted by: ShainS -- Eliminate vast bureaucracies of civil servants, no longer servants and no longer civil at January 03, 2025 11:32 AM (WA0Dj)

In laboratory rats. Criminals don't die from the cancer, normally.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:33 AM (ynpvh)

83 this should result in expulsion. immediate. drop him off outside the nautical boundary of China. with a flotation device and some water.

Posted by: gov't is here to help at January 03, 2025 11:33 AM (wglzf)

84 Seeing reports where a new nuclear class sub sank in Wuhan while under construction or something- quick search on net from around last September.
Posted by: Rex B at January 03, 2025 11:27 AM (A75H2)

Wuhan is pretty far inland so that seems unlikely.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 03, 2025 11:32 AM (ExV1e)
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Sigh ... another covid death

Posted by: Elric The Blade at January 03, 2025 11:34 AM (iFTx/)

85 Can confirm. We have A LOT of Chinese students and faculty at my campus. It's a STEM school where 90%+ of the students are in an engineering program. The graduate programs are chock-full of foreign students compared to the undergraduate programs.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2025 11:27 AM (BpYfr)

When I was getting my last two degrees, there were a lot of foreign students getting advanced degrees with me. Most barely spoke English and were in their own groups / cliques, and took the same classes.

I assume there was rampant cheating going on, because how the hell can someone with a very limited grasp of English possibly understand complex, nuanced, graduate-level concepts in the English language?

Anyways, from what I was told -- they pay full ride and aren't eligible for student loans, so the schools love them.

And that's just one of many examples of the the US selling the Communists the rope they use to hang us.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 03, 2025 11:34 AM (uCjyK)

86 79 Why is this convicted spy, who is a Chinese citizen, going to be released into the United States “on court supervision” after his release from federal prison for spying on the Unites States of America?! In what inverted world is this happening?

In a slightly more perfect world, to find his other contacts / accomplices / nodes , etc. But we don't live in that world, do we?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 03, 2025 11:32 AM (IG4Id)

Jan 6th folks still waiting for their trials...traitors and spies let to walk the streets.
Speaks to the morals of DC, which is to say none.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:35 AM (ynpvh)

87 84 Seeing reports where a new nuclear class sub sank in Wuhan while under construction or something- quick search on net from around last September.
Posted by: Rex B at January 03, 2025 11:27 AM (A75H2)

Wuhan is pretty far inland so that seems unlikely.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 03, 2025 11:32 AM (ExV1e)
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Sigh ... another covid death

Posted by: Elric The Blade at January 03, 2025 11:34 AM (iFTx/)

COVID. What can't it do?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:35 AM (ynpvh)

88 I was in ejuneering skool in the mid 80s and we had a lot of Chinese classmates at UH. One of my worst memories is walking into one of the snack bars was the wicked stench. These were small rooms with a microwave and a few tables and the chinese would flock into a couple they claimed and microwave assorted fish dishes of some kind.

Ever seen chinese eat? Let's just say you can seefood while they eat stanky seafood.

Posted by: DanMan at January 03, 2025 11:35 AM (8uzBS)

89 AZ Intel @AZ_Intel_ 7h
Britt Allcroft, the creator of the beloved children’s series Thomas the Tank Engine & Friends, has died. She was 81. -- The Independent

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 03, 2025 11:36 AM (hovnC)

90 There is a story that I can't figure out how to link from about 1 month ago in which Goncalves said Cliffs is still interested in X. They bid $54 but Nippon came in at $55. Thanks to the dotard-in-chief's actions, $54 is probably more than Cliffs would have to pay.

Posted by: Oglebay at January 03, 2025 11:36 AM (7fVdQ)

91 I assume there was rampant cheating going on, because how the hell can someone with a very limited grasp of English possibly understand complex, nuanced, graduate-level concepts in the English language?

Taking the final in a math class years ago. Three Chinese guys sitting next to each other. Test was three questions. Each guy would answer one question and then they would exchange papers.

I mentioned it when I turned my exam in but no one cared. I guess it's just their culture.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 03, 2025 11:37 AM (ExV1e)

92 Fun fact: all drones, including ones used by our military, are made in China. This is due to FAA regulations requiring that any US-based manufacturer would have to have a way for the drone to validate the operator as a licensed airline pilot. The regulations specifically say the government will come down with the full force of the Democratic National Committee and the MSM on the manufacturer, not the operator.

That sounds ripe for a lawsuit citing the recent SCOTUS "Chevron is dead" ruling.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 03, 2025 11:37 AM (j+u5i)

93 AZ Intel @AZ_Intel_ 10h
BREAKING: Investigators suspend attempt to arrest South Korea President Yoon Suk Yeol after standoff

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 03, 2025 11:37 AM (hovnC)

94 The Chinese still haven't gotten the Fujian 003 aircraft carrier launch system working. The need all the info they can steal.

Hint: the electro-magnetic launch system works better with a nuclear power reactor that can provide high levels of power for the entire launch.

Posted by: SMOD at January 03, 2025 11:38 AM (RHGPo)

95 Speaking of China, Michigan plans to cut down 400 acres of land to put up field of Chinese solar panels. For "clean energy".

Anna Matson @AnnaRMatson

My heart absolutely breaks over this.

Michigan will cut down 400 acres of beautiful forest for solar farm.

The DNR says this is to make up for decreasing revenue from hunting and fishing licenses and to work toward the 100% clean energy goal.

Notice something? Notice how the goal isn’t to reduce green house gases? That’s because the forest does more to heal our planet than solar panels. They know this.

Remember, this initiative is from the democrat led state. So while they claim they want to save the planet - they are destroying it.

https://bit.ly/40u54lX

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 03, 2025 11:38 AM (P5BPp)

96 Instapundit: Surgeon general calls for cancer-risk warning label on beverages with alcohol.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at January 03, 2025 11:38 AM (TGPs7)

97 Jan 6th folks still waiting for their trials...traitors and spies let to walk the streets.
Speaks to the morals of DC, which is to say none.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:35 AM (ynpvh)

While they may be spies, they're not traitors. They are very patriotic and doing a potentially dangerous job for their homeland.

We have this weird thing in the US where we think because we're all in on multicultural views and that culture / ethnic background / familial ties / etc. don't matter, that must be how the rest of the world operates.

But it is demonstrably not how the rest of the world operates.

This is how China / Japan / Korea / most of Europe / most of Africa / most of the middle east etc. have managed to survive as cultures and civilizations for hundreds if not thousands of years. There is an expectation that you put your tribe / culture / "people" / whatever above all else.

And it's absurd that our government doesn't see that. Some would say it is impossible that they don't see that, and they know exactly what they are doing.

OBVIOUSLY the Chinese government sends their "students" here for their own purposes.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 03, 2025 11:38 AM (uCjyK)

98 Gun stores in rural California are going to have fun with this law. "Sacramento politicians need you to know they fear this product as dangerous."

Posted by: gKWVE at January 03, 2025 11:40 AM (1iXxc)

99 "I heard Trump opposed it too. We are running out of domestic steel operations."

maybe tariffs would help domestic steel. Japan (some company) got caught (during Trump's term?) selling us inferior steel, not as advertised. China steel probably worse. Need American Made for quality, not just for American jobs.

Posted by: illiniwek at January 03, 2025 11:40 AM (Cus5s)

100 Re: X

As a Cleveland native, I would just like to say to the yinzers, "you're welcome."

Posted by: Oglebay at January 03, 2025 11:40 AM (7fVdQ)

101 Notice something? Notice how the goal isn’t to reduce green house gases? That’s because the forest does more to heal our planet than solar panels. They know this.

North America in 2024 had its lowest carbon emissions since 110+ years ago. China's continue to increase rapidly, but as the meme says that's OK because they're already Communist.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 03, 2025 11:40 AM (j+u5i)

102 Allstate CEO lectures Americans on our "divisiveness". ESAD, Tom.

Link goes to Breitbart.
https://tinyurl.com/3eecevzv

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at January 03, 2025 11:40 AM (iODuv)

103 97 Jan 6th folks still waiting for their trials...traitors and spies let to walk the streets.
Speaks to the morals of DC, which is to say none.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:35 AM (ynpvh)

While they may be spies, they're not traitors. They are very patriotic and doing a potentially dangerous job for their homeland.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 03, 2025 11:38 AM (uCjyK)

Never said Chinese spies were traitors, I was talking about our own who whore themselves out to other countries and those who wish to destroy the Constitution...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:40 AM (ynpvh)

104 Seeing reports where a new nuclear class sub sank in Wuhan while under construction or something- quick search on net from around last September.
Posted by: Rex B at January 03, 2025 11:27 AM (A75H2)

A link or it isn't real.

Posted by: Idle speculator at January 03, 2025 11:40 AM (n3wCn)

105 43 Jimmy Carter Reflected on 1980 Olympic Boycott: “A Bad Decision”

ITS FUNNY CUSE HES DEAD AND HES STILL REGLECTING ON HIS POOR DECISIONS. SUCH A DEMOCRAT.

Posted by: Ben Rothliesbergergler at January 03, 2025 11:41 AM (OA79/)

106 There is a story that I can't figure out how to link from about 1 month ago in which Goncalves said Cliffs is still interested in X. They bid $54 but Nippon came in at $55. Thanks to the dotard-in-chief's actions, $54 is probably more than Cliffs would have to pay.

Posted by: Oglebay

I seem to recall that Cleveland Cliffs bought a Canadian mill for a couple of billion in the summer, so they may be stretched to make their original bid.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 03, 2025 11:41 AM (lTGtQ)

107 101 Notice something? Notice how the goal isn’t to reduce green house gases? That’s because the forest does more to heal our planet than solar panels. They know this.

North America in 2024 had its lowest carbon emissions since 110+ years ago. China's continue to increase rapidly, but as the meme says that's OK because they're already Communist.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 03, 2025 11:40 AM (j+u5i)

And GAIA knows that communists don't count?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:41 AM (ynpvh)

108 Can't a camera drone just transmit the photos wirelessly? That way if you're a Mr. Bean level spy you just abandon the drone after it gets....stuck in a tree? Is this guy from The Sandlot?

Glad he's captured and deported but this wasn't the Chinese A team.

Posted by: Fozzy at January 03, 2025 11:41 AM (7PM4P)

109 I watched The Imitation Game last night. Albeit, a Idiot Savant gay drama movie, it was well done and enjoyable. I can't help but wonder had Britain not committed to total war in 1940, how would things have worked out for them? I also wonder why England is a Fagz Country. Methinks, Single Sex Boarding Schools may have something to do with it.

Posted by: pudinhead at January 03, 2025 11:41 AM (jFCkp)

110 Instapundit: Surgeon general calls for cancer-risk warning label on beverages with alcohol.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at January 03, 2025 11:38 AM (TGPs7)

To be expected from a cow-worshipper.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2025 11:42 AM (8zz6B)

111 96 Instapundit: Surgeon general calls for cancer-risk warning label on beverages with alcohol.

.. this is the same Surgeon general who wanted to censor COVID ""misinformation""

Posted by: SMOD at January 03, 2025 11:42 AM (RHGPo)

112 Can confirm. We have A LOT of Chinese students and faculty at my campus. It's a STEM school where 90%+ of the students are in an engineering program. The graduate programs are chock-full of foreign students compared to the undergraduate programs.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2025 11:27 AM (BpYfr)

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Even in the mid-80s when I was an undergrad at Stanford, the majority of graduate program engineering students were foreigners (damn, that's like 40 year ago!).

And in Orange County (when we were there a couple decades ago), the UCI (University of California at Irvine) campus was frequently jokingly referred to as the "University of Chinese Immigrants."

Posted by: ShainS -- Eliminate vast bureaucracies of civil servants, no longer servants and no longer civil at January 03, 2025 11:42 AM (WA0Dj)

113 108 Can't a camera drone just transmit the photos wirelessly? That way if you're a Mr. Bean level spy you just abandon the drone after it gets....stuck in a tree? Is this guy from The Sandlot?

Glad he's captured and deported but this wasn't the Chinese A team.

Posted by: Fozzy at January 03, 2025 11:41 AM (7PM4P)

Should be able to do both.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:42 AM (ynpvh)

114 I assume there was rampant cheating going on, because how the hell can someone with a very limited grasp of English possibly understand complex, nuanced, graduate-level concepts in the English language?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 03, 2025 11:34 AM (uCjyK)
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In my experience, foreigners -- and especially Asians -- usually know more English than they let on, especially if they have their own cliques and thus don't need to use English often. They pretend not to know when it's in their interests not to know.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at January 03, 2025 11:42 AM (iFTx/)

115 China steel probably worse. Need American Made for quality, not just for American jobs.

Posted by: illiniwek

Some customers want domestic steel only. Even the more flexible ones will not take chinese steel under any circumstances.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 03, 2025 11:43 AM (lTGtQ)

116 Taking the final in a math class years ago. Three Chinese guys sitting next to each other. Test was three questions. Each guy would answer one question and then they would exchange papers.

I mentioned it when I turned my exam in but no one cared. I guess it's just their culture.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 03, 2025 11:37 AM (ExV1e)

In both programs I was in, the foreign students -- despite allegedly passing the TOEFL exams -- were able to get accommodations to use handheld translators.

Since the professors can't read Hindi or Mandarin, how does anyone know whether those are truly just translation devices, or if the students are using those devices to cheat? They don't.

But as Trump said, we should staple a green card on every college diploma issued in the US to these brilliant foreign born students. Even if some of them are spies.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 03, 2025 11:43 AM (uCjyK)

117 I'm surprised that Shi's drone didn't send the surveillance photos straight to the cloud, i.e., his bosses in China.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 03, 2025 11:43 AM (bslOC)

118 110 Instapundit: Surgeon general calls for cancer-risk warning label on beverages with alcohol.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at January 03, 2025 11:38 AM (TGPs7)

To be expected from a cow-worshipper.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2025 11:42 AM (8zz6B)

Nature hates you. Nature is always trying to kill you. Even the sun causes cancer.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:43 AM (ynpvh)

119 "When Mr. Shi approached the house to try to get his drone out of the tree, the property’s occupant asked for Mr. Shi’s ID. The occupant then took pictures of Mr. Shi’s ID, along with the license plate of Shi’s rental car, and then called the police. The police advised Mr. Shi to remain there while they called the fire department to get the drone out of the tree, but instead, Mr. Shi fled. Federal officials recovered the drone and found forbidden photographs in a memory card that was on the drone."

If you see something photograph something.
And tell someone.

Posted by: Public Service Announcement at January 03, 2025 11:43 AM (n3wCn)

120 111 96 Instapundit: Surgeon general calls for cancer-risk warning label on beverages with alcohol.

.. this is the same Surgeon general who wanted to censor COVID ""misinformation""

Posted by: SMOD at January 03, 2025 11:42 AM (RHGPo)

And got folks worried about MonkeyPox (f**k the MPOX nonsense; call it by it's name).

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:44 AM (ynpvh)

121 "Michigan will cut down 400 acres of beautiful forest for solar farm."

Can't Biden save it like he "saved" all that land from oil production?

Posted by: illiniwek at January 03, 2025 11:44 AM (Cus5s)

122 cancer-risk warning label on beverages with alcohol.

Holy cow!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at January 03, 2025 11:44 AM (C/aog)

123 >>Need American Made for quality, not just for American jobs.

Steel is a national security issue. You can't build ships and tanks and weapons with plastic.

US Steel will survive because Trump understands this and this is why he opposed the sale.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2025 11:45 AM (LkLld)

124 >Seeing reports where a new nuclear class sub sank in Wuhan while under construction or something- quick search on net from around last September.
Posted by: Rex B at January 03, 2025 11:27 AM (A75H2)

Wuhan is pretty far inland so that seems unlikely.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 03, 2025 11:32 AM (ExV1e)
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There's a port city named Wuhan too. And a PLAN SSN did sink along a pier there back in May or June.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 03, 2025 11:45 AM (Q4IgG)

125 115 China steel probably worse. Need American Made for quality, not just for American jobs.

Posted by: illiniwek

Some customers want domestic steel only. Even the more flexible ones will not take chinese steel under any circumstances.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 03, 2025 11:43 AM (lTGtQ)

Chinese find it easy to mark steel as a specific grade...
There was a issue with certain bolts used by the military, where the bolts needed to be a specific kind of steel, and were marked as such, but when tested didn't meet the standard by a long shot...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:46 AM (ynpvh)

126 Allstate CEO lectures Americans on our "divisiveness". ESAD, Tom.

Link goes to Breitbart.
https://tinyurl.com/3eecevzv
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at January 03, 2025 11:40 AM (iODuv)
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Where is Super Mario Homo when you need him?

Posted by: Elric The Blade at January 03, 2025 11:46 AM (iFTx/)

127 SOH vote coming up this morning, anyone covering it?

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 03, 2025 11:46 AM (2NHgQ)

128 Misdemeanors.
[facepalm]
Court supervision.
[facepalm]
OW!

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 03, 2025 11:47 AM (Rbu5d)

129 Here's something to contemplate;
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LEXINGTON, Ky. (WKYT) - As Kentucky prepares to implement the new medical cannabis law, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is warning residents that if they register for the medical marijuana program, they are legally not allowed to own or buy guns.

“They definitely need to be aware of the risks. If you lie on the form, it’s federal perjury. If you get caught with it, it could be time in jail up to 10 years,” said Matthew Bratcher with Kentucky Norml.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 03, 2025 11:47 AM (Q4IgG)

130 11:03:33 AM The Speaker announced that the House do now recess. The next meeting is subject to the call of the Chair.

.. seems that Yoda is acting a recorder of the House

Posted by: SMOD at January 03, 2025 11:47 AM (RHGPo)

131 I have but one life to give for my country(chy/na).
- Shi

Posted by: Eromero at January 03, 2025 11:47 AM (jgmnb)

132 Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:31 AM (ynpvh)

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Sorry to hear all that jim.

I'll never forgive DogEater and The Commies (including Scumbag Juan McCain) for destroying the best healthcare system known to man ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Eliminate vast bureaucracies of civil servants, no longer servants and no longer civil at January 03, 2025 11:47 AM (WA0Dj)

133 In my experience, foreigners -- and especially Asians -- usually know more English than they let on, especially if they have their own cliques and thus don't need to use English often. They pretend not to know when it's in their interests not to know.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at January 03, 2025 11:42 AM (iFTx/)

That's possible. And probably true for some of them.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 03, 2025 11:47 AM (uCjyK)

134 "Michigan will cut down 400 acres of beautiful forest for solar farm."

Can't Biden save it like he "saved" all that land from oil production?
Posted by: illiniwek at January 03, 2025 11:44 AM (Cus5s)

Heh. DJT should EO that 400 acres be preserved as the Whitmer National Fuckup Park.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 03, 2025 11:47 AM (8zz6B)

135 We have this weird thing in the US where we think because we're all in on multicultural views and that culture / ethnic background / familial ties / etc. don't matter, that must be how the rest of the world operates.

It's not even a 'we', it's mostly liberal white people. Minority Americans are heavily encouraged to continue to use the "old" views that are how people survived for thousands of years.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 03, 2025 11:47 AM (j+u5i)

136 129 Here's something to contemplate;
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LEXINGTON, Ky. (WKYT) - As Kentucky prepares to implement the new medical cannabis law, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is warning residents that if they register for the medical marijuana program, they are legally not allowed to own or buy guns.

“They definitely need to be aware of the risks. If you lie on the form, it’s federal perjury. If you get caught with it, it could be time in jail up to 10 years,” said Matthew Bratcher with Kentucky Norml.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 03, 2025 11:47 AM (Q4IgG)

That's why you buy all your guns FIRST...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:48 AM (ynpvh)

137 Chinese find it easy to mark steel as a specific grade...
There was a issue with certain bolts used by the military, where the bolts needed to be a specific kind of steel, and were marked as such, but when tested didn't meet the standard by a long shot...

Posted by: jim

We always have to provide material test reports and chain of custody for provenance, but that is private industry and not government work.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 03, 2025 11:48 AM (lTGtQ)

138 And got folks worried about MonkeyPox (f**k the MPOX nonsense; call it by it's name).
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:44 AM (ynpvh)

And dropped it like a hot rock once dogs and little boys started turning up with it.

Posted by: Since it's transmitted mostly by buttfucking at January 03, 2025 11:48 AM (ybSPO)

139 LEXINGTON, Ky. (WKYT) - As Kentucky prepares to implement the new medical cannabis law, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is warning residents that if they register for the medical marijuana program, they are legally not allowed to own or buy guns.

“They definitely need to be aware of the risks. If you lie on the form, it’s federal perjury. If you get caught with it, it could be time in jail up to 10 years,” said Matthew Bratcher with Kentucky Norml.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 03, 2025 11:47 AM (Q4IgG)

If Hunter Biden taught me anything, it's that it's okay to fudge that kind of stuff a bit. Everyone does it and no one ever goes to jail for it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 03, 2025 11:48 AM (uCjyK)

140 When I was in my PhD program the Chinese students were from Taiwan and they hated the ChiComs…. With a passion. In my experience the Taiwanese are the ones we want here… they tend to stay here too

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 03, 2025 11:48 AM (ZtAny)

141 Shouldn't trust Chinese chemistries. They'll just fudge the data.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at January 03, 2025 11:48 AM (rbMHe)

142 129 Here's something to contemplate;
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LEXINGTON, Ky. (WKYT) - As Kentucky prepares to implement the new medical cannabis law, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is warning residents that if they register for the medical marijuana program, they are legally not allowed to own or buy guns.

“They definitely need to be aware of the risks. If you lie on the form, it’s federal perjury. If you get caught with it, it could be time in jail up to 10 years,” said Matthew Bratcher with Kentucky Norml.

... unless you get a "Hunter Biden pardon"

Posted by: SMOD at January 03, 2025 11:49 AM (RHGPo)

143 “They definitely need to be aware of the risks. If you lie on the form, it’s federal perjury. If you get caught with it, it could be time in jail up to 10 years,” said Matthew Bratcher with Kentucky Norml.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 03, 2025 11:47 AM (Q4IgG)

Unless, of course, you're related to someone in government. Rules don't apply to them.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 03, 2025 11:49 AM (ExV1e)

144 No more Chinese students

Posted by: Enough BS at January 03, 2025 11:49 AM (2NXcZ)

145 19 When I am elected your King, My Decrees will make it possible for Mr. Shi, and all others like him, to save $$ on plane tickets.

Your Majesty will, however, deduct burial expenses from their accounts.
Posted by: Tonypete at January 03, 2025 11:07 AM (WXNFJ)

If it pleases milord, are trebuchets involved?

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at January 03, 2025 11:50 AM (Rbu5d)

146 It's not even a 'we', it's mostly liberal white people. Minority Americans are heavily encouraged to continue to use the "old" views that are how people survived for thousands of years.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 03, 2025 11:47 AM (j+u5i)

Yes, well, I guess I can't argue with that.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 03, 2025 11:50 AM (uCjyK)

147 When my son got his MBA the vast majority in his class were foreigners. He used to have to take over projects due to the language barrier.

Anecdotal, but unlikely to be isolated.

Posted by: Ann at January 03, 2025 11:51 AM (4neFu)

148 We have this weird thing in the US where we think because we're all in on multicultural views and that culture / ethnic background / familial ties / etc. don't matter, that must be how the rest of the world operates.

Many srtudies have shown that western whites are the only race and ethnicity on earth that don't prioritize and favor their own race/ethnicity.

Posted by: brak at January 03, 2025 11:51 AM (jGJov)

149 144 No more Chinese students

Posted by: Enough BS at January 03, 2025 11:49 AM (2NXcZ)

Kalifornia didn't like that so many asians were in college, so in the state's efforts to up OTHER minorities in college, they set the bar even higher for asians. Impacted quite a few folks I grew up with and their kids. So a black kid could get into the Uni with a shitty GPA, but a near 4.0 asian student couldn't, but that's fair, right?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:51 AM (ynpvh)

150 Some lucky sap is getting paid to follow the Horde, Ace. Hey, Lucky Sap: if you haven't already get your Roth and deferred comp ramped up right now, you lucky bastard.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at January 03, 2025 11:51 AM (QSrLX)

151 Shouldn't trust Chinese chemistries. They'll just fudge the data.

Chinese chemical companies advertise that they can ship you FOOF by the gallon. If that's serious, you could probably take out a major Chinese city by simply placing an order.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 03, 2025 11:52 AM (j+u5i)

152 Can confirm. We have A LOT of Chinese students and faculty at my campus. It's a STEM school where 90%+ of the students are in an engineering program. The graduate programs are chock-full of foreign students compared to the undergraduate programs.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2025 11:27 AM (BpYfr)

Warrensburg?

Posted by: free tibet with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at January 03, 2025 11:52 AM (iNp3L)

153 Can confirm. We have A LOT of Chinese students and faculty at my campus. It's a STEM school where 90%+ of the students are in an engineering program. The graduate programs are chock-full of foreign students compared to the undergraduate programs.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 03, 2025 11:27 AM (BpYfr)

When I first went back to college in 2001, my professor would remark that US students need to step up in the STEM fields and not relinquish them to China.

Posted by: Emmie at January 03, 2025 11:52 AM (Sf2cq)

154 So a black kid could get into the Uni with a shitty GPA, but a near 4.0 asian student couldn't, but that's fair, right?
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That's crossing the beams. IQ vs Identity is stupid. Cats and Dogs Living Together.

Posted by: pudinhead at January 03, 2025 11:53 AM (jFCkp)

155 There was a Chinese National arrested a couple weeks ago for sending Shipping Containers loaded with Weapons to North Korea.

Shipping Containers Filled with Guns.

You ever try to buy ONE gun? Let alone Two...

Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2025 11:53 AM (UE/EX)

156 Only a misdemeanor? WTF? What do you think China would do?

Not China, but recall how the Norks punish "defaming a poster". https://tinyurl.com/bdfh5vmb
Whatcha think they would do for espionage?

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 03, 2025 11:53 AM (InsZQ)

157 154 So a black kid could get into the Uni with a shitty GPA, but a near 4.0 asian student couldn't, but that's fair, right?
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That's crossing the beams. IQ vs Identity is stupid. Cats and Dogs Living Together.

Posted by: pudinhead at January 03, 2025 11:53 AM (jFCkp)

Meritocracy. Based on ability, not the color of one's skin or their racial background.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:54 AM (ynpvh)

158 155 There was a Chinese National arrested a couple weeks ago for sending Shipping Containers loaded with Weapons to North Korea.

Shipping Containers Filled with Guns.

You ever try to buy ONE gun? Let alone Two...

Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2025 11:53 AM (UE/EX)

Guns can be bought by the barrel and crate? How do I get in on this?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:54 AM (ynpvh)

159 When I first went back to college in 2001, my professor would remark that US students need to step up in the STEM fields and not relinquish them to China.
Posted by: Emmie at January 03, 2025 11:52 AM (Sf2cq)

US schools are too busy teaching kids about gay sex, transgenderism, and drag queens to give them the mathematic and scientific educational foundation they need for such fields.

Posted by: A BA in BS at January 03, 2025 11:54 AM (ybSPO)

160 Well what fun is just flying your drone over the Piggly Wiggly?

Posted by: DaveA at January 03, 2025 11:55 AM (FhXTo)

161 The inland Wuhan is on the Yangtze River and has built conventional subs for some time only to be floated downriver once built. I saw a news blurb on my phone about two weeks ago regarding a new sub sinking but only now tried a search. Most details are sketchy.

Posted by: Rex B at January 03, 2025 11:55 AM (A75H2)

162 So solly.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 03, 2025 11:55 AM (2Jptx)

163 Among the things AI can't do:

130 11:03:33 AM The Speaker announced that the House do now recess. The next meeting is subject to the call of the Chair.

.. seems that Yoda is acting a recorder of the House
Posted by: SMOD at January 03, 2025 11:47 AM (RHGPo)

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at January 03, 2025 11:55 AM (QSrLX)

164 When I first went back to college in 2001, my professor would remark that US students need to step up in the STEM fields and not relinquish them to China.
Posted by: Emmie at January 03, 2025 11:52 AM (Sf2cq)

Yeah, this is incredibly frustrating to me.

A LOT of Americans go in to STEM. Or at least start in STEM, then realize that there are very few high paying jobs at the end of that rainbow, and the competition is incredibly tough because the HR managers are the big tech companies are mostly Indian or Asian and are going to give massive hiring preferences to other Indians or Asians.

So it doesn't make financial sense to work your ass off for 4 years for an undergrad degree, 1-2 years for a master, have six figures in debt, and still likely not be able to find a job.

You want more Americans in STEM? Stop importing people from the third world with their most-likely-bullshit degrees to do those jobs.

Also, let's be real -- the vast majority of the jobs we're talking about don't require a person to be brilliant. Most moderately intelligent people could, and would, go in to those jobs if they were available to them and paid well.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 03, 2025 11:55 AM (uCjyK)

165 159 When I first went back to college in 2001, my professor would remark that US students need to step up in the STEM fields and not relinquish them to China.
Posted by: Emmie at January 03, 2025 11:52 AM (Sf2cq)

US schools are too busy teaching kids about gay sex, transgenderism, and drag queens to give them the mathematic and scientific educational foundation they need for such fields.

Posted by: A BA in BS at January 03, 2025 11:54 AM (ybSPO)

DEI mathematics is to DIE for. Mathematics of gender inequality...yeah, build some bridges with that...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:56 AM (ynpvh)

166
It's even more insane that we are letting these foreign “students” who are not even enrolled in college stay in the country

When I was still drinking, I used to hang at two "Irish" pubs which employed about a dozen or so hawt nympho Irish bar wenches. All of them were illegals, overstaying on student visas.

Talk about conflicted...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 03, 2025 11:56 AM (y9nCu)

167 Dong tea! Who order dong tea?! Dong tea!

Posted by: Chinese chemist at January 03, 2025 11:56 AM (hovnC)

168 US schools are too busy teaching kids about gay sex, transgenderism, and drag queens to give them the mathematic and scientific educational foundation they need for such fields.

They're teaching that to the foreign students as well, so it's at least fair.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 03, 2025 11:56 AM (j+u5i)

169 Coincidentally (or perhaps not) i read an article in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune last week that was "concerned" about the drop in American high school grads attending college, but also questioned the accuracy of those numbers, since they noted that Minnesota college enrollment was up.
Makes sense now how that's possible- You replace the lost American kids with a bunch of foreigners.
Posted by: Wally

I wonder how they define "high school grad." Public, private, and homeschooled all included?

Posted by: mikeski at January 03, 2025 11:56 AM (9EjvB)

170 Meritocracy. Based on ability, not the color of one's skin or their racial background.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:54 AM (ynpvh)

Meritocracy? In America? Oh you dear sweet summer child...

Posted by: Skill, competence, dedication? No need if you know the right people. at January 03, 2025 11:56 AM (ybSPO)

171 >>When I was still drinking, I used to hang at two "Irish" pubs which employed about a dozen or so hawt nympho Irish bar wenches. All of them were illegals, overstaying on student visas.

An informal Polling of local waitresses reveals...

Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2025 11:57 AM (UE/EX)

172 It can be lunch time

Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2025 11:57 AM (0Sv+K)

173 163 Among the things AI can't do:

130 11:03:33 AM The Speaker announced that the House do now recess. The next meeting is subject to the call of the Chair.

.. seems that Yoda is acting a recorder of the House
Posted by: SMOD at January 03, 2025 11:47 AM (RHGPo)

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at January 03, 2025 11:55 AM (QSrLX)

There was a restraining order hearing I was privy to. The judge noted that the only think that was consistent between the stories was that a chair was kicked, and given the Chair was not pressing charges, the order was rescinded...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:58 AM (ynpvh)

174 Misdemeanor counts. The guy is a foreigner.

A serious country would publicly execute this little yellow heathen. That's how you disrupt these networks.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 03, 2025 11:58 AM (BI5O2)

175 Have read most Chinese here are still under the Chinese Communists party

Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2025 11:58 AM (0Sv+K)

176 >>It can be lunch time

I think Ace calls it Second Breakfast?

Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2025 11:58 AM (UE/EX)

177 Also, let's be real -- the vast majority of the jobs we're talking about don't require a person to be brilliant. Most moderately intelligent people could, and would, go in to those jobs if they were available to them and paid well.

Yup. The foreign STEM workers I've encountered are near-universally warm bodies to throw at the problem, not super geniuses.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 03, 2025 11:58 AM (j+u5i)

178 >>> An informal Polling of local waitresses reveals...
Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2025 11:57 AM (UE/EX)

=====

"You.... are NOT the father!!!"

Posted by: Turn 2 at January 03, 2025 11:59 AM (JfxgE)

179 US schools are too busy teaching kids about gay sex, transgenderism, and drag queens to give them the mathematic and scientific educational foundation they need for such fields.
Posted by: A BA in BS at January 03, 2025 11:54 AM (ybSPO)

While that is a problem, I don't really buy this argument.

I would wager that the public schools in the suburbs in the US are most likely among the best schools in the world.

Yes, our inner city schools are destroyed and horrible.

But we only have the Chinese communist government's word that their students score better on standardized tests than Americans do. And we're also hardly comparing apples to apples.

And in my experience with the "best of the best" from China, they're nothing special and they cheat rampantly, almost openly on every test they take. It's an accepted part of the culture in most of the world. You do whatever it takes to get ahead.

We know for sure that the Chinese fudge their average IQ as a country by only counting the IQ's of people in the schools with the best students in their most major cities. Why wouldn't we assume they're doing the same with test scores?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 03, 2025 11:59 AM (uCjyK)

180 I stated many times .you theory on the drones are Chinese spying

Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2025 11:59 AM (0Sv+K)

181 Wuhan - Chinese subs:
Satellite images from Planet Labs PBC analyzed by The Associated Press show what appears to be a submarine docked at the Shuangliu shipyard on the Yangtze River before the incident.
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Link goes to defensenews. https://tinyurl.com/mv3x3acf

Posted by: scampydog at January 03, 2025 11:59 AM (2bFN5)

182 134 "Michigan will cut down 400 acres of beautiful forest for solar farm."

Can't Biden save it like he "saved" all that land from oil production?
Posted by: illiniwek at January 03, 2025 11:44 AM (Cus5s)

----

Every day, in every way, Biden disgusts me more and more.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 03, 2025 12:00 PM (PzOF6)

183 Coincidentally (or perhaps not) i read an article in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune last week that was "concerned" about the drop in American high school grads attending college, but also questioned the accuracy of those numbers, since they noted that Minnesota college enrollment was up.
Makes sense now how that's possible- You replace the lost American kids with a bunch of foreigners.

That and a lot of the drop is men choosing not to attend and pay to get scolded for not having the correct junk for 4+ years.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 03, 2025 12:00 PM (j+u5i)

184 Pre-brunch snack.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 03, 2025 12:00 PM (hovnC)

185 164
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Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 03, 2025 11:55 AM (uCjyK)

I went STEM. Went to JC, then the Uni for my BS. Didn't get hugely in debt (less then $20K). Paid it off a few years after I got married, along with my wife's student debt (which was higher--MA degree)...

Been an engineer for 30+ years now. Maybe things are different today.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 12:00 PM (ynpvh)

186 76 IQ stem graduates beeze smarter and sheeeiiittt.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 03, 2025 12:00 PM (2Jptx)

187 175 Have read most Chinese here are still under the Chinese Communists party
Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2025 11:58 AM (0Sv+K)

Of course they are.

How does one make enough money in China to pay full-ride at a US university for their children? That's easily $75,000 a year including tuition, room and board, etc.

They're either very well connected with the party, OR more likely, the government is paying the tuition.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 03, 2025 12:01 PM (uCjyK)

188 170 Meritocracy. Based on ability, not the color of one's skin or their racial background.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:54 AM (ynpvh)

Meritocracy? In America? Oh you dear sweet summer child...

Posted by: Skill, competence, dedication? No need if you know the right people. at January 03, 2025 11:56 AM (ybSPO)

No, I was born in a different era...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 12:01 PM (ynpvh)

189 179 We know for sure that the Chinese fudge their average IQ as a country by only counting the IQ's of people in the schools with the best students in their most major cities. Why wouldn't we assume they're doing the same with test scores?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 03, 2025 11:59 AM (uCjyK)

"Because LOL, 13/50, Race Realism for Blacks".

*wanking motion*

Posted by: XTC at January 03, 2025 12:01 PM (UnA8+)

190 You should be my, stupid phone

Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2025 12:01 PM (0Sv+K)

191 Been an engineer for 30+ years now. Maybe things are different today.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 12:00 PM (ynpvh)

I think it's fair to say things are different today, yes.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 03, 2025 12:01 PM (uCjyK)

192 Midnight Mathletics has paid off bigtime in Detroit!

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 03, 2025 12:01 PM (hovnC)

193 What SHOULD have happened upon discovery of this situation was to have shot down every single one of the drones feasible, found out who was flying them ,contact operating organization then ask if they'd like to pull any of the rest unless they had some spare military ops they no longer needed. In case it isn't apparent to some, this is overt espionage.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at January 03, 2025 12:01 PM (hKoQL)

194 Pre-brunch snack.
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at January 03, 2025 12:00 PM (hovnC)

Post-brunch. Pre-linner.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 03, 2025 12:02 PM (ExV1e)

195 "Because LOL, 13/50, Race Realism for Blacks".

12/50 in the 2020 census, by the way. Margret Sanger would be pleased.

And I'll bet the Biden Border's further reduced that first number.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 03, 2025 12:02 PM (j+u5i)

196 DEI mathematics is to DIE for. Mathematics of gender inequality...yeah, build some bridges with that...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 11:56 AM (ynpvh)

Testimony before the Canadian House of Commons, Geoff Horsman, "Decolonizing light? Conceptual penis? Chemistry prof urges feds to remove DEI from research funding"

youtu.be/sDHarKGM0Jo

Posted by: Kindltot at January 03, 2025 12:02 PM (D7oie)

197 The Chinese were running their own police station in Chicago. It was not registered as an embassy - so was not "Chinese soil" - and the US gave them no writ to try cases. They just hauled Chinese nationals into the place to beat them and bag them off back to China.

Posted by: gKWVE at January 03, 2025 12:03 PM (1iXxc)

198 Most stem grads don't even wind up working in stem. Comcasts canadian callcenter even has engineers working there.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 03, 2025 12:03 PM (2Jptx)

199 Been an engineer for 30+ years now. Maybe things are different today.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 12:00 PM (ynpvh)

Could also depend on the branch of engineering.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 03, 2025 12:03 PM (ExV1e)

200 And with 10s of thousands of Chinese here, do you think the government is just letting them leave?

Posted by: Skip at January 03, 2025 12:04 PM (0Sv+K)

201 Question for the horde
would you go to inauguration or not and why

Posted by: MAC V SOG at January 03, 2025 12:04 PM (P4Pk9)

202 NOOD FIB

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 03, 2025 12:04 PM (ynpvh)

203 Most stem grads don't even wind up working in stem. Comcasts canadian callcenter even has engineers working there.

That was a common theme in last week's H1B blowup on X. Many, many stories of American STEM grads who couldn't get hired due to the toxic combination of DEI and H1B and ended up in a non-STEM field.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 03, 2025 12:05 PM (j+u5i)

204 Stay away. If you 're white you can be imprisoned for even setting foot in DC.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 03, 2025 12:06 PM (2Jptx)

205 Question for the horde
would you go to inauguration or not and why

I'm a Baltimoron so it's entirely feasible. But I have fears of Antifa and/or another J6 style trap happening (possibly both at the same time) so I'm not going.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 03, 2025 12:07 PM (j+u5i)

206 Great article.
His Name is Buck.
He came to unfuck.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at January 03, 2025 12:07 PM (70902)

207

maybe/hopefully

he cut a deal

and is now spilling his guts

Posted by: sound awake at January 03, 2025 12:08 PM (g7ym/)

208 There were I believe aChinese national was arrested for flying a drone over Vandenberg in November also.

https://shorturl.at/cB2xZ

Posted by: CaliGirl at January 03, 2025 12:08 PM (e/SFa)

209 181
Link goes to defensenews. https://tinyurl.com/mv3x3acf
Posted by: scampydog at January 03, 2025 11:59 AM (2bFN5)

Thanks for posting, scampydog.

Posted by: Rex B at January 03, 2025 12:08 PM (A75H2)

210 Meritocracy. Based on ability, not the color of one's skin or their racial background.

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Geez! Well, no wonder Whoopi, Tank Abrams, Jasmine Crockett et al. oppose it!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 03, 2025 12:09 PM (L/fGl)

211 I dropped out of Differential Equations class when I went in, and sounded like teacher (TA, or whatever) was speaking Chinese. Could not understand a word.

I was getting into my Bible phase at the time, so that was another factor. But they should not have foreign students fill TA rolls if they can't speak clear English ... (and should not have China CCP students at all, imo)

Posted by: illiniwek at January 03, 2025 12:14 PM (Cus5s)

212
There was a Chinese National arrested a couple weeks ago for sending Shipping Containers loaded with Weapons to North Korea.

Shipping Containers Filled with Guns.

You ever try to buy ONE gun? Let alone Two...
Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2025 11:53 AM (UE/EX)

In the 90s, Dianne Feinstein's husband was implicated but uncharged in the smuggling of full-auto Chinese Kalashnikovs into the US by the container-full, through his stake in COSCO. They had their Chinese markings overstamped with N Korean markings to disguise their origins.

Stories about that incident are getting to be tougher to find on-line, but I remember mention of it in the LA Times back in the day.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 03, 2025 12:32 PM (y9nCu)

213 Time to return them to where they came and not let them return

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at January 03, 2025 04:14 PM (wGqjj)

214 This is why they make buckshot. Shoot these things down.

Posted by: jackcoke at January 03, 2025 05:23 PM (EFQuV)

215 You have made some good points there. I checked on the web for additional information about the issue and found most people will go along with your views on this site.

Posted by: pet accessories at January 03, 2025 06:10 PM (m/4tb)

216 One of my 2025 goals is to read a few books that I purchased a long time ago but haven't got around to reading, top of the list being 'White House Years' by Henry Kissinger. If I tell someone then I have to do it, right? I'm interested in the origins of globalism, though I realize they may predate this book, but I also find Kissinger interesting and wonder what his role was in globalism.

Posted by: Norrin Radd, sojourner of the spaceways at January 05, 2025 09:47 AM (tRYqg)

217 Wrong thread, sorry.

Posted by: Norrin Radd, sojourner of the spaceways at January 05, 2025 09:48 AM (tRYqg)

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