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Daily Tech News 29 December 2024
Top Story
- Giving people money doesn't stop them being poor. (Yahoo)
Another UBI study fails without even asking the fundamental question of where the money comes from.
- Neither does taking their money. (Tech Crunch)
Lyft is suing San Francisco for overcharging the company $100 million in taxes.
- Neither does charging interest on their loans. (MSN)
All told, Warner borrowed a total of about $60,000 for her two advanced degrees. The amount seemed reasonable given the career trajectory that both credentials promised, but that path never materialized. Working a series of low-wage jobs, she went in and out of forbearance before ultimately defaulting. The balance ballooned to the current $268,000 total over the years due to collection fees and interest capitalization.
Warner was 30 when she took out the loan for her law degree. In the 1980s.
Tech News
- The leading cause of death for airline passengers is now being shot down by Russia. (WSJ) (archive site)
Oops. Oopsie.
The second leading cause of death is Boeing.
Update: Sadly these statistics may already be outdated.
- VW leaked data for 800,000 of its cars. (Car Scoops)
This doesn't include your payment information. Just where you live, where you work, where you go shopping, where your kids go to school, and indeed the GPS coordinates of everywhere your car ever went, because of course VW was recording that and storing it on an unsecured cloud server.
- Speaking of unsecured cloud servers, Adobe is doing its part in making more of them. (Bleeping Computer)
If you are still using ColdFusion, first, why? And second, it's time to update.
- Russia is planning to launch a home-made gaming console using the Elbrus CPU. (Tom's Hardware)
And then shooting it down.
- President-elect Donald Trump has asked the Supreme Court to pause President Joe Biden's plan to shut down TikTok. (Tech Crunch)
While I favour shutting down TikTok for the simple fact that the Chinese social network is banned in China, the plan takes effect the day before Trump takes office.
Disclaimer: Who let the cats out?Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)1 BOING!Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 29, 2024 04:01 AM (oClyJ)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 29, 2024 04:07 AM (oClyJ)
3 w00tPosted by: m at December 29, 2024 04:10 AM (VnUSN)
4 Willowed from last thread: this is an H1B data thread, 5 years of data from all granted applications. Looks like the program is being majorly abused. Is that your shocked face I see?
https://tinyurl.com/3s8r7b9f
Posted by: Pikov Andropov at December 29, 2024 04:13 AM (y7zkd)
5 Mornin'
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at December 29, 2024 04:17 AM (6PUpl)
6 Warner was 30 when she took out the loan for her law degree. In the 1980s.
I read that article. I am almost positive that vast amounts of vital information that would explain this gals predicament was NOT put in the article. For 'Reasons'.Posted by: Puddleglum at work at December 29, 2024 04:20 AM (6PUpl)
7 Willowed.
this is an H1B data thread. Looks like the program is being majorly abused. Is that your shocked face I see?
https://tinyurl.com/3s8r7b9f
Posted by: Pikov Andropov at December 29, 2024 04:10 AM (y7zkd)
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You talking to me? Of course it's corrupt and abused. And so says Musk and others, too. That's why the whole program needs to be redone from scratch.
https://tinyurl.com/3p7pm8m9
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 29, 2024 04:22 AM (oClyJ)Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 29, 2024 04:25 AM (oClyJ)
8 Good morning, good people, from them now rain/snow pelted Adirondacks. Garbage weather for certain.
Still, may all effort by you this day be rewarded handsomely, with consummate anguish for the leftwit amoeba infecting us.Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at December 29, 2024 04:25 AM (hKoQL)
9 These H-1Bs are as dumb as fuck and captive. But at least we know who they are and where they are.
At least your racist government is embracing progress.Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 29, 2024 04:27 AM (/MR36)
10 Stephen L. Miller retweeted
The Vigilant Fox 🦊
@VigilantFox
Dec 27
NEW: CNN host abruptly ends segment after her defense of Joe Biden’s crimes completely falls apart.
...
ABBY PHILLIP: “Trump was president for four years. He wanted to charge Joe Biden. Why did the charges not come? And I think that still remains an open question. If there is something illegal happening here, there should be charges on the basis of what you’re saying, and there have not been.”Posted by: m at December 29, 2024 04:28 AM (VnUSN)
11 I read that article. I am almost positive that vast amounts of vital information that would explain this gals predicament was NOT put in the article. For 'Reasons'.
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at December 29, 2024 04:20 AM (6PUpl)
This.
My guess is that a combination of academic mismatch (allowing people who will never really qualify for the jobs their degree-granting institutions say exist) and poor prioritization by debtors after graduation (too little effort to retire debt when possible) account for most of the debt held by the elderly or near elderly.
I am not without sympathy for these people though. They were sold a bill of goods; weirdly, the system
is set up to ensure the snakeoil salesmen (academia) walk away scot free and get to continue the grift. Debt forgiveness, if done, would be like the Reagan amnesty, accomplishing not much of anything while the problem continues unabated.Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 29, 2024 04:32 AM (2+SeL)
12 Of course, with the law schools, there have never been all the high-paying jobs that academia says exist to begin with. Something like a third of U.S. law schools (at least) largely produce low-quality surplus lawyers. Most law graduates are never going to land big-firm jobs. It's a situation is guaranteed to cause defaults given the price tag of attending any law school, including poor ones.Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 29, 2024 04:45 AM (2+SeL)
13 Any solution to the student debt problem that doesn't make the universities scream is not a solution.Posted by: Pixy Misa at December 29, 2024 04:59 AM (BLOW1)
14 Indeed, they should be forced to put some skin in the game. As of now it is all reward and no risk.Posted by: Pikov Andropov at December 29, 2024 05:02 AM (y7zkd)
15 Any knucklehead with two brain cells that rub together can get a loan for school these days. Government needs to get out of the student loan business.Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 29, 2024 05:14 AM (3Ope8)
16
g'mornin', 'ronsPosted by: AltonJackson at December 29, 2024 05:25 AM (tljrc)
17 I went with Progressive for my car insurance. A really great price (Yeah, I have been warned it's a teaser rate).
They made me download an app that keeps track of my movements. That's okay with me. At my age, 29+, slowing down and taking it easy is good for me.
The trouble is it is keeping track of my movements in a golf cart while I am playing golf. I get done with golf and my phone battery is dead.
LOL. I will stop the app when I get start the round of golf and maybe remember to restart it when I finish.Posted by: no one of any consequence at December 29, 2024 05:27 AM (ZmEVT)
18 G'Day everyonePosted by: Skip at December 29, 2024 05:27 AM (fwDg9)
19 Student debt creation should be reprivatized, so that Obama's grift is stopped in its tracks and future vote buying schemes ("forgiveness") ends. That takes care of some part of the future problem.
The present problem can only be dealt with by packaging and selling the existing loans to private investors. That tells the government exactly what the losses are in present value numbers. Universities should then split those losses with the Feds in some manner, maybe 50-50. The new owners of the loans by terms of the purchase have to revalue the principal amount at the lessor of the face value of the loan or 125% of what they paid for it, and charge a fixed interest rate equal to the mortgage rate.
That way, if a loan of $100,000 original value is sold for a face value of $25,000, the borrower now will owe the investor $31,250 at a rate of, say 7%, and the $75,000 loss is split between the university and the Feds.Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 29, 2024 05:28 AM (TtpXl)
20 G'morning all, from sunny B'More!Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 29, 2024 05:31 AM (oeJyF)
21 In rough terms that proposal mimics how loans created by a failed bank are sold off in todays market.Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 29, 2024 05:32 AM (fW52N)
22 The Universities should be hooked for the loans.Posted by: Skip at December 29, 2024 05:35 AM (fwDg9)
23 Back in the day, 50% of Law School grads never became attorneys. Some joined the FBI. Others went into corporate jobs in things like contract administration.
My uncle became a public defender and then was appointed Municipal Court Judge. Later, he ran for a Superior Court slot and won.Posted by: no one of any consequence at December 29, 2024 05:36 AM (ZmEVT)
24 He told me once that he quit being a member of the Bar Association.Posted by: no one of any consequence at December 29, 2024 05:37 AM (ZmEVT)
25 No one forced anyone to take out a student loan. You signed for it, you pay for it. Get the federal government out of the student loan business and these problems will go away in time.Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 29, 2024 05:43 AM (3Ope8)
26 Evening and morning, insomaniacals! 'Tis the Sun's Day, the Lord's Day, and the traditional day of rest for many many people.
It poured like milk from an upended jug last night just before I went to bed. Now we have a fog advisory, and the temp is about 60 F. Kind of a big change from yesterday.
Coffee, please.Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 29, 2024 05:46 AM (omVj0)
27 Once I feed the cats, I plan to change, stretch, drive over to the 1/5 mile track, and crank out a mile or more. Since I'm off Monday through Wednesday, I don't *have* to go to the store today (though I do have chores to do). So no rush this am.
The new pipe and complimentary tin of tobacco I ordered well before Christmas, which was supposed to be here on 12/23 and got sent to *Massachusetts* before coming back, showed up yesterday. I can hardly wait to try them out after breakfast.Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 29, 2024 05:51 AM (omVj0)
28 A short family update.
My father's service was yesterday, followed in accordance with his last wishes, a luncheon at the church.
The Air Force Honor Guard was absolutely wonderful as his remains were laid to rest with my mother's remains.
Our son and his wife of only 90 days had an opportunity to spend time with cousins, Aunts and Uncles that he very seldom has an opportunity spend time with.
There was laughter, smiles, hugs and stories of my father's dedication to family, and to God.
And now.....
Later today our son and wife will return to Virginia Beach, we will take my MiL back to South Carolina with us tomorrow to spend a week with, and then her return to Baltimore via Amtrak.
A good man has finally been called home, and it is now time for us to continue our lives together.
As a family.Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 29, 2024 05:57 AM (oeJyF)
29 We got the tile for the bathroom renovation yesterday, and today we're gonna go buy the jetted/heated tub, the toilet and the fixtures. The contractor came by and had the cabinet crew finalize the design for the vanity and the closet. Demo is set to begin 1/2. Electrician is scheduled for the following weekend. Oh, and found out yesterday I have to go to BHM for an on site audit in the middle of the renovation.Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 29, 2024 05:58 AM (3Ope8)
30 28 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 29, 2024 05:57 AM (oeJyF)
Thank you so much for the update! Blessings on you and your family.Posted by: m at December 29, 2024 05:59 AM (VnUSN)
31 Good morning to all. It’s warm and raining here in western NC. 51 degrees, going up to the low 60s. Wishing you all a relaxing and peaceful Sunday.Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at December 29, 2024 06:02 AM (DIS3S)
32 No one if forced to, but everyone can get one
That's a problemPosted by: Skip at December 29, 2024 06:03 AM (fwDg9)
33 Seems like it was only a year or so ago that 'lil VIA was gonna fall in with Big Navy.Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 29, 2024 06:04 AM (3Ope8)
34 A bad spot in my weekend just happened-having coffee in my Christmas present mug that has "United States Army Veteran" decal on it and picked it up, the handle fell off. Looking at it, said handle was improperly attached. So now I get to tell older daughter, she'll feel bad, I know. The item came from Etsy, but don't know the vendor, daughter will pursue the issue, you may be certain of that. Still, kind of a pissy way to begin the day.Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at December 29, 2024 06:07 AM (hKoQL)
35 "Seems like it was only a year or so ago that 'lil VIA was gonna fall in with Big Navy."
Don't it though?
Imagine my surprise to realize that my oldest niece is 39 years old as well.
Time....it waits for none.
And every day is a blessing.
Make the most of it.Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 29, 2024 06:08 AM (oeJyF)
36 Grit is still going on with Clint Eastwood Weekend. Pale Rider is on now. I'd like a hat like the one Michael Moriarty wears in the film; it looks like a good all-purpose hat for rain, snow, and sunshade.Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 29, 2024 06:08 AM (omVj0)
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 29, 2024 06:10 AM (BpYfr)
38 RE: time....my oldest grandchild is in double digits this year.... HoleekercfukPosted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 29, 2024 06:12 AM (3Ope8)
39 Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at December 29, 2024 06:20 AM (6K6Eu)
40 34 A bad spot in my weekend just happened-having coffee in my Christmas present mug that has "United States Army Veteran" decal on it and picked it up, the handle fell off. Looking at it, said handle was improperly attached. So now I get to tell older daughter, she'll feel bad, I know. The item came from Etsy, but don't know the vendor, daughter will pursue the issue, you may be certain of that. Still, kind of a pissy way to begin the day.
Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at December 29, 2024 06:07 AM (hKoQL)
That's a test!Posted by: m at December 29, 2024 06:20 AM (VnUSN)
41 Good morning moronsPosted by: San Franpsycho at December 29, 2024 06:23 AM (RIvkX)
42 Morning, Tech PeepsPosted by: fluffy at December 29, 2024 06:24 AM (AN2gy)
43 A good man has finally been called home, and it is now time for us to continue our lives together.
As a family.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 29, 2024 05:57 AM (oeJyF)
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May his memory be a blessing.Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 29, 2024 06:30 AM (RIvkX)
44 RE: time....my oldest grandchild is in double digits this year....
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 29, 2024 06:12 AM (3Ope
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Yeh. I remember when my allowance was raised to 10 bucks a week, too!Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 29, 2024 06:30 AM (oClyJ)
45 Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at December 29, 2024 06:20 AM (6K6Eu)
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Handle intact?
/provokes jealousyPosted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 29, 2024 06:32 AM (oClyJ)
46
Nothing short of the autoinsemenation of the GMO aubergine will result in a suitable development of pigmentation.Posted by: Pendulating Richard at December 29, 2024 06:32 AM (uTWJk)
47 A bad spot in my weekend just happened-having coffee in my Christmas present mug that has "United States Army Veteran" decal on it and picked it up, the handle fell off.
Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at December 29, 2024 06:07 AM (hKoQL)
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Navy is behind this, somehow.Posted by: All Hail Eris, Agent of Chaos at December 29, 2024 06:33 AM (kpS4V)
48
Hail, ErisPosted by: AltonJackson at December 29, 2024 06:35 AM (tljrc)
49 Navy is behind this, somehow.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Agent of Chaos at December 29, 2024 06:33 AM (kpS4V)
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/instantly points to uss gettysburgPosted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 29, 2024 06:35 AM (oClyJ)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Agent of Chaos at December 29, 2024 06:36 AM (kpS4V)
51 I have been with Progressive for 20 years. Great service and rates.Posted by: Accomack at December 29, 2024 06:38 AM (w9ItN)
52 3 days left in 24Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 06:39 AM (gbOdA)
53 I'm drinking from my Real Housewives "You Don't Have to Like Me, I Love Myself Enough For the Both of Us" mugPosted by: San Franpsycho at December 29, 2024 06:39 AM (RIvkX)
54 Seems everyone has forgotten just exactly why student loans are not discharged in bankruptcy.
It became de rigeur to get a law degree with student loans, and then declare bankruptcy. There were even courses that explained how to do this. So congress closed up that little loophole.Posted by: Common Tater at December 29, 2024 06:41 AM (vlJl4)
55 Yeah, except that solution didn't make the universities scream.Posted by: Pixy Misa at December 29, 2024 06:43 AM (BLOW1)
56 Drinking coffee from my bootleg Fort Hood Texas coffee cup purchased during a side trip at the TxMoMe two years ago..
Mrs VIA wanted to visit the location of her birth, and absolutely refused to settle for a coffee cup with the new name on it.Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 29, 2024 06:44 AM (oeJyF)
57 mornin yall. Our boys went home last night after spending a week here, leaving the house quiet and feeling empty. It's a familiar feeling, part of being a parent I suppose. I'm thankful for every minute though, and for a couple of great offspring.
VIA, it sounds like your father got a perfect ceremony, all you could ask for. We all have to face the inevitable one day. To be able to honor your father with the family gathered I hope makes it a little easier.
My BIL lost his mother this Christmas. She has been in hospice for a while and it was not unexpected. It's a hard thing in any case though, as we all know too well.Posted by: fd at December 29, 2024 06:48 AM (vFG9F)
58 VIA, will "Fort Cavazos" return to its original name under Trump?Posted by: All Hail Eris, Agent of Chaos at December 29, 2024 06:49 AM (kpS4V)
59 I hope they fix the sign at Ft Benning. It's been wrong for a couple of years now.Posted by: fd at December 29, 2024 06:52 AM (vFG9F)
60 Wolfus, take a look at mesquite flour/powder It is a natural sweetner and they recommend it for diabetics.
I bake with it a lot.Posted by: Ben Had at December 29, 2024 06:52 AM (XTmTf)
61 "will "Fort Cavazos" return to its original name under Trump?"
One can hope.
I can tell you that from conversations we had while there, the new name is hated, and only fear of reprisal keeps employees from using the old name in conversation.Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 29, 2024 06:52 AM (oeJyF)
62 Shutting down TikTok is the sole good Biden policy. I would prefer Trump just let it go ahead and shut.Posted by: Persnickety at December 29, 2024 06:52 AM (mJCOG)
63 I have heard that Trump wants to correct the sign at Ft Bragg upon assuming office again.Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 29, 2024 06:55 AM (oeJyF)
64 The top researcher for a major study on guaranteed basic income says the findings are "nuanced."
This is a tactful way of saying that they did not get the results they wanted but don't want to admit that throwing away money doesn't solve the problem.Posted by: NR Pax at December 29, 2024 06:58 AM (lXCUP)
65 I can only imagine what it costs to change the name of a base, let alone some number of bases. What a stupid waste of funds. And now we get to spend that again just to unfuck it. We should take it out the congressional budget.Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 29, 2024 07:00 AM (3Ope8)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 29, 2024 07:03 AM (oeJyF)
67 It looks like the "Arsenic and Old Fruit Cake" story has taken a twist.
"A police statement to local network, Globo, said: 'We even have information that there was mayonnaise there that had expired a year ago."
Her husband passed away from food poisoning in September. Must have been the sandwich.Posted by: fd at December 29, 2024 07:03 AM (vFG9F)
68 They just showed a Korean airliner crash with 177 souls lost. It looked like a perfect wheels up landing until it wasn't.Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 29, 2024 07:04 AM (gm9Sb)
69 "Re-runs of Friends breed 'laziness' and 'mediocrity' in US culture, says Trump cost-cutter Vivek Ramaswamy"
Now do "Big Bang Theory".Posted by: fd at December 29, 2024 07:07 AM (vFG9F)
70
This doesn't include your payment information. Just where you live, where you work, where you go shopping, where your kids go to school, and indeed the GPS coordinates of everywhere your car ever went, because of course VW was recording that and storing it on an unsecured cloud server.
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Now the value to VW of selling that data is zero. A hit to their bottom line.Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 29, 2024 07:09 AM (xPNeT)
71 Birdbath status?Posted by: Just Wondering at December 29, 2024 07:11 AM (dg+HA)
72 Does the H1B bullshit just sound like a bunch of bullshit?
Elon and Vivek both say it is gamed but say it should be used to make America a better place.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 07:13 AM (gbOdA)
73 >>They just showed a Korean airliner crash
I just saw the video on X. Gear up, no flaps deployed, no speed brakes deployed. That points to a hydraulic system problem.Posted by: one hour sober at December 29, 2024 07:14 AM (Y1sOo)
74 I make no apologies for saying I detest all this smart tracking. It's the lives of others in the hands of malevolent actors.Posted by: Ben Had at December 29, 2024 07:15 AM (XTmTf)
75 The H1B program is no doubt abused. I'm fine with it if they fix that. I doubt anybody has even tried so far.Posted by: fd at December 29, 2024 07:17 AM (vFG9F)
76
At least 177 people killed as plane crashes while landing at South Korea airport
No cause has been confirmed - but the fire service says it believes a collision with birds and poor weather may be to blame
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I don't see how these two causes could affect each other. Despite the plane being a Boeing, maybe the actual cause is embarrassing, something to do with South Korean culture. The copilot must never correct the pilot, who is God (so what's the point of a copilot then.)Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 29, 2024 07:17 AM (Ijbq0)
77 My phone keeps bringing up it tracks every where I goPosted by: Skip at December 29, 2024 07:18 AM (fwDg9)
78 Referring to that Korean crash this morning...
A smart aviation blog has a long thread on it.
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1498583Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 29, 2024 07:18 AM (oeJyF)
79 because of course VW was recording that and storing it on an unsecured cloud server.
Have the Germans never heard of a bathtub?! Sheesh.Posted by: Hillary! at December 29, 2024 07:18 AM (QrkKu)
80 If Congress does nothing by the end of 2025, the child tax credit will revert back to $1,000 per child ages 16 years and under.
Right side engine blows up.
Maybe blows out the hydo system.
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 07:18 AM (gbOdA)
81 Airliners are among the safest means of travel today.
Such a nonsense statement. Either quantify it or don't say it. What are these other means of travel to which you are alluding? Where does airline travel come on that list? Is on foot one of those modes? Obviously the zone also matters.Posted by: Ciampino - mild wet weather for today at December 29, 2024 07:18 AM (i0xsb)
82 More likely they forgot to put the gear down. A bird strike on an engine isn’t going to affect hydraulicsPosted by: Common Tater at December 29, 2024 07:19 AM (vlJl4)
Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 29, 2024 07:19 AM (QB+5g)
84 That is not at all what I thot I copied.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 07:19 AM (gbOdA)
85 82 More likely they forgot to put the gear down. A bird strike on an engine isn’t going to affect hydraulics
Posted by: Common Tater at December 29, 2024 07:19 AM (vlJl4)
I saw a big explosion. Let me find it.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 07:20 AM (gbOdA)
Posted by: m at December 29, 2024 07:21 AM (VnUSN)
87 The airplane slamming into the concrete barrier was the cause of the explosion from what I heard.Posted by: Ben Had at December 29, 2024 07:21 AM (XTmTf)
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 07:22 AM (gbOdA)
89 Don't blame us!Posted by: USS Gettysburg at December 29, 2024 07:24 AM (oeJyF)
90 " 3 days left in 24
Posted by: rhennigantx"
The title search for the property we are trying to buy has been held up over a few acres that was once owned by GA Power. We had hoped it would be a done deal by now. Things are looking up for 2025 though, I hope it will be a year of positive changes for us all.Posted by: fd at December 29, 2024 07:26 AM (vFG9F)
91 78 Referring to that Korean crash this morning...
A smart aviation blog has a long thread on it.
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1498583
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 29, 2024 07:18 AM (oeJyF)
Thanks!Posted by: m at December 29, 2024 07:27 AM (VnUSN)
92 A4 Skyhawks seemed prone to wheels up landings, either due to hydro failure or not having a RIO in the back seat screaming 'wheels down". The little airplane was pretty survivable landing wheels up, especially with wing tanks. I saw one come in wheels up, and after the crash crew deemed things safe, the mechs jacked it up, extended the gear, and towed it to the revetment.Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 29, 2024 07:27 AM (gm9Sb)
93 >>More likely they forgot to put the gear down.
The Ground Proximity Warning System would've told them the landing gear was retracted.
Did they forget to set the flaps for landing as well?Posted by: one hour sober at December 29, 2024 07:27 AM (Y1sOo)
94 I suppose the statement the system is needed yet it is corrupt could be true on both accountsPosted by: Skip at December 29, 2024 07:27 AM (fwDg9)
95
Good morning, Hordians. Grieved that I can't go to Mass this morning but it just hurts too much to go even locally.
I wanted to go to Vigil Mass yesterday afternoon but as I started to get ready, but Her Majesty took one look at how I was standing and told me I shouldn't go. I agreed.Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 29, 2024 07:28 AM (dxSpM)
96 A 737-800 doing a slide on? No gear, no flaps? No way a bird strike did that.Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 29, 2024 07:30 AM (3Ope8)
97 I did the tracking for a year. They gave you a break on costs but I felt it wasn't worth it. They tried to talk me out of canceling it. I told them I had a perfect driving record, the info they had showed I was a good driver and that should be enough for them.Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 29, 2024 07:30 AM (NQtI0)
98 Giving people money doesn't stop them being poor. (Yahoo)
Another UBI study fails without even asking the fundamental question of where the money comes from.
It is much worse that you think. IN many states the poor live like a family of 3 making around $70k.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 07:30 AM (gbOdA)
99 "Crinkle fries at Arby’s now cost $3.74 for a small, $4.49 for a medium, and $4.99 for a large"
That's crazy. You can buy a whole bag of potatoes for that. It's no wonder restaurants are closing all over the place. There are two more near here that just announced they are shutting down.Posted by: fd at December 29, 2024 07:31 AM (vFG9F)
Posted by: Pendulating Richard at December 29, 2024 07:32 AM (uTWJk)
101 Had an interesting conversation with my former BiL yesterday.
He holds his private pilot's license and is not a dumb guy. He also lives in New Jersey.
He described the larger fixed wing drones there that he has seen personally as the basic shape and size of a Predator.
Make of it what you will.Posted by: USS Gettysburg at December 29, 2024 07:33 AM (oeJyF)
102 Be off me, you ship shaped sock!Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 29, 2024 07:34 AM (oeJyF)
103 “Treasury currently expects to reach the new limit between January 14 and January 23, at which time it will be necessary for Treasury to start taking extraordinary measures,” Yellen wrote in a letter to congressional leadership.
Fuck you Transitory Inflation Bitch.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 07:34 AM (gbOdA)
104 That's crazy. You can buy a whole bag of potatoes for that. It's no wonder restaurants are closing all over the place. There are two more near here that just announced they are shutting down.
Posted by: fd at December 29, 2024 07:31 AM (vFG9F)
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But their employees get a living wage and paid health care and sick time, h8er! You should be happy to pay $9 for a fast food burger.
-your bettersPosted by: San Franpsycho at December 29, 2024 07:35 AM (RIvkX)
105 96 A 737-800 doing a slide on? No gear, no flaps? No way a bird strike did that.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 29, 2024 07:30 AM (3Ope
See 88Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 07:36 AM (gbOdA)
106 fd, we have more food trucks than restaurants around here.Posted by: Ben Had at December 29, 2024 07:36 AM (XTmTf)
107 Good morning, everyone. 58° here in North Alabama, shouod get to maybe upper 60s today. Rain overnight was reported to be ~2.1" at the airport. We got ~1.9" here at the house. Lots of PG13 language and NC17 implied violence from the storm front, but no wimd or water damage to us here in Bewalski demesne.Posted by: BifBewalski at December 29, 2024 07:37 AM (MsrgL)
108 We were out buying tile yesterday and swooped by a fast food joint for a little snack. Two medium orders of tater tots and two medium cherry limeades came to $9 and some change. I whined more about that than the cost of 160sqft of tile.Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 29, 2024 07:38 AM (3Ope8)
109 Kenneth Copeland Claims He’s Made a Covenant With God to Live to 120 Years Old
Dont buy any green bananasPosted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 07:39 AM (gbOdA)
110 >>No way a bird strike did that.
A migratory bird ingestion into an engine absolutely destroys the turbine blades sending lots of metal right on through the engine and out the exhaust. It's possible a chunk of metal penetrated the aft fuselage and damaged hydraulic lines.Posted by: one hour sober at December 29, 2024 07:40 AM (Y1sOo)
111 What gets me is they build these fast food restaurants and then a few months later they shut down. Are they just blindly building without considering how much income they need to survive? It doesn't make any sense to me.
After the national franchise pulls out of the new building, sometimes a local entrepreneur will go in there with no better success. They will last a few month and then, poof, gone. I can't see investing in something so risky and unprofitable.Posted by: fd at December 29, 2024 07:40 AM (vFG9F)
112
Giving people money doesn't stop them being poor.
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It is possible to lift yourself out of poverty but it takes not just work but discipline. Sad to say, a large number of people are poor because they do dumb, self-destructive things. Sadder to say, the Democrats always propose policies that make it easier for them to do dumb, self-destructive things.Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 29, 2024 07:41 AM (dxSpM)
113 I'm not watching the plane crash video.Posted by: m at December 29, 2024 07:41 AM (VnUSN)
114 "we have more food trucks than restaurants around here.
Posted by: Ben Had"
That seems to be a way to survive. They are not tied to a location that is doomed.Posted by: fd at December 29, 2024 07:42 AM (vFG9F)
115 Life gave me some lemons yesterday. In the form of a Limoncello
Panettone. Bliss!Posted by: Ben Had at December 29, 2024 07:42 AM (XTmTf)
116 Jet engines and birds don't go together at all.
Remember we had a bird hit a canopy on a F-15 and all but went through it.Posted by: Skip at December 29, 2024 07:44 AM (fwDg9)
117 we have more food trucks than restaurants around here.
Posted by: Ben Had
Good Morning!
Hope ypu're doing well in God's portion of Texas.Posted by: BifBewalski at December 29, 2024 07:44 AM (MsrgL)
118 lol,Wolfus; 30 degrees and dense fog here
hiking in fog is kind of fun
g'mornin' everyone!
need coffee, brbPosted by: sock_rat_eez at December 29, 2024 07:44 AM (cY18j)
119 Life gave me some lemons yesterday. In the form of a Limoncello
Panettone. Bliss!
Posted by: Ben Had at December 29, 2024 07:42 AM (XTmTf)
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We picked up a cherry panettone yesterday. Outstanding!Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 29, 2024 07:45 AM (RIvkX)
120 No! REEEAAAALLLY?! Russian oil tanker loaded with spying hardware; other Red ships the same ..Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 29, 2024 07:45 AM (gJNdL)
121 See 88
Hmmmmm... a couple of observations.
First the 'explosion' looks more like a compressor stall. Short shot of white smoke, no pieces flying in formation.
Second, the -800 (like almost every other large jet) has at least two independent hydraulic systems to power flight control and landing gear. System design requirements dictate that the likelihood that a single event will render both of them non function is <10E-9.Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 29, 2024 07:47 AM (3Ope8)
122 It is possible to lift yourself out of poverty but it takes not just work but discipline. Sad to say, a large number of people are poor because they do dumb, self-destructive things. Sadder to say, the Democrats always propose policies that make it easier for them to do dumb, self-destructive things.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 29, 2024 07:41 AM (dxSpM)
Education is free. Get a HS degree and you have about a 10% chance of being poor.
Birth control is very cheap. Wait till married to have a kid and now you have a 3% chance of being poor.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 07:47 AM (gbOdA)
123
fd, we have more food trucks than restaurants around here.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 29, 2024 07:36 AM (XTmTf)
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Yet 40 years ago, how many food trucks did you see? Go by any construction site and they're thick as flies. Does anyone pack their own lunch anymore? Go into a convenience store at 7:00 AM and see who's buying.Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 29, 2024 07:48 AM (dxSpM)
124 Jet engines and birds don't go together at all.
Remember we had a bird hit a canopy on a F-15 and all but went through it.
Posted by: Skip
I remember a wildlife documemtary about the medium sized big cats in Africa where a conservatory was repairing injured cats, teaching them to hunt their natural prey (birds of course), then releasing them into the fenced compound of major airports for bird strike mitigation. This was maybe filmed around the late 80s or early 90s. I sometimes wonder what happened long term and how the cats did over all.Posted by: BifBewalski at December 29, 2024 07:48 AM (MsrgL)
125 43 A good man has finally been called home, and it is now time for us to continue our lives together.
As a family.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 29, 2024 05:57 AM (oeJyF)
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May his memory be a blessing.
Posted by: San Franpsycho
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Ditto.Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 29, 2024 07:49 AM (dg+HA)
126 "While I favour shutting down TikTok for the simple fact that the Chinese social network is banned in China, the plan takes effect the day before Trump takes office."
Probably so they can lie and say Trump did it.Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 29, 2024 07:50 AM (bss/y)
127 >>Remember we had a bird hit a canopy on a F-15 and all but went through it.
Lockheed, the manufacturer of the plane I flew in USN, tested the structural integrity of the windscreen by firing frozen chickens out of a cannon at it.
Posted by: one hour sober at December 29, 2024 07:51 AM (Y1sOo)
Posted by: The Welfare Establishment at December 29, 2024 07:52 AM (JzFC4)
129
Wait till married to have a kid and now you have a 3% chance of being poor.
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 07:47 AM (gbOdA)
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Don't drink. Don't do drugs. Show up for work on time every day. Get a good night's sleep. Repressive, bourgeois stuff like that.Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 29, 2024 07:52 AM (dxSpM)
130 Lockheed, the manufacturer of the plane I flew in USN, tested the structural integrity of the windscreen by firing frozen chickens out of a cannon at it.
Posted by: one hour sober at December 29, 2024 07:51 AM (Y1sOo)
Chicken soup was on the menu every Thursday at the LocMar cafeteria.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 07:53 AM (gbOdA)
131 68 They just showed a Korean airliner crash with 177 souls lost. It looked like a perfect wheels up landing until it wasn't.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 29, 2024 07:04 AM (gm9Sb)
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It never was going to stop. It seemed to be going very fast. With a belly landing, no wheel brakes (obviously) and no thrust reversers since the engines are off (fire hazard). What is beyond that runway? Is there a runoff area?Posted by: Ciampino - mild wet weather for today S IL at December 29, 2024 07:53 AM (i0xsb)
132 Was the pilot a Muslim?
Posted by: Pendulating Richard at December 29, 2024 07:32 AM (uTWJk)
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Judging from the plane's angle to the ground, I'd say no.Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 29, 2024 07:53 AM (oClyJ)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 29, 2024 07:54 AM (dxSpM)
134 Yet 40 years ago, how many food trucks did you see? Go by any construction site and they're thick as flies. Does anyone pack their own lunch anymore? Go into a convenience store at 7:00 AM and see who's buying.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 29, 2024 07:48 AM (dxSpM)
I have a buddy that fills food truck propane tanks. It is 100% cash.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 07:54 AM (gbOdA)
135 Wolfus, take a look at mesquite flour/powder It is a natural sweetner and they recommend it for diabetics.
I bake with it a lot.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 29, 2024
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Morning, Ben Had,
Thanks for the tip. Where can I buy it? Stores, or online?Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 29, 2024 07:55 AM (omVj0)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 29, 2024 07:55 AM (dxSpM)
137 "I have a buddy that fills food truck propane tanks. It is 100% cash.
Posted by: rhennigantx"
Is your buddy the "Gassss them" guy?Posted by: fd at December 29, 2024 07:55 AM (vFG9F)
138 Education is free. Get a HS degree and you have about a 10% chance of being poor.
Birth control is very cheap. Wait till married to have a kid and now you have a 3% chance of being poor.
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 07:47 AM (gbOdA)
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Vivek's point is our culture and a huge swath of the population believe education is for nerds and marrying is for losers.
And the fact is our public education and higher academia are totally corrupted and failed.Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 29, 2024 07:56 AM (RIvkX)
139 I have a buddy that fills food truck propane tanks. It is 100% cash.
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 07:54 AM (gbOdA)
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Is his name Hank?Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 29, 2024 07:57 AM (RIvkX)
140 Wolfus, online. Look for the brand made in Texas. I cheat because I can make my own. Mesquite trees ain't just thorn producers.Posted by: Ben Had at December 29, 2024 07:58 AM (XTmTf)
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 07:58 AM (gbOdA)
142 ProTip: Thaw the chickens out firstPosted by: Common Tater at December 29, 2024 07:59 AM (vlJl4)
143 Posted by: one hour sober at December 29, 2024 07:40 AM (Y1sOo)
Possible but highly unlikely. Engines designs are tested for bird strike and aircraft design considers compressor or power turbine failures and fragmentation paths. That doesn't mean those events don't happen but when they do they're not catastrophic (can't continue safe flight and landing).
Note that the DC10 in the Sioux City crash was the direct result of power turbine failure that took out all hydraulic systems and they still managed to get the aircraft to the airport. It was pretty unfortunate that wind had a vote on the landing but there were more survivors than victims.Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 29, 2024 07:59 AM (3Ope8)
144 "We picked up a cherry panettone yesterday. Outstanding!"
Make French Toast using panettone.
With butter and maple syrup.
The best of both worlds.
Then dredge your bacon through the maple drippings.
Then take nap from the sugar crash.Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 29, 2024 07:59 AM (oeJyF)
145 Vivek's point is our culture and a huge swath of the population believe education is for nerds and marrying is for losers.
And the fact is our public education and higher academia are totally corrupted and failed.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 29, 2024 07:56 AM (RIvkX)
My guess is ZERO of these values are taught at school.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:00 AM (gbOdA)
146 A good man has finally been called home, and it is now time for us to continue our lives together.
As a family.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice
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Nice way to honor his memory.
The memorial service for one of my brothers laast month brought me back in touch with my oldest brother from whom I had been estranged for over a decade. We fell out over a couple of specific events. One, he derisively scoffed at my religious faith then had the gall to speak at my mom's funeral and invoke God. Two, he lied to my elderly parents about the reason he lost his medical license (showing up at the hospital drunk).
We have had a couple phone conversations since, not particularly warm but at least cordial. He's still an arrogant prick but I no longer detest him, rather I pity him aa an old, lonely man.
Families, eh?Posted by: muldoon at December 29, 2024 08:00 AM (991eG)
147 I read or heard that Joe is going to do some type of press conf.
bullshitPosted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:01 AM (gbOdA)
148 Don't drink. Don't do drugs. Show up for work on time every day. Get a good night's sleep.
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Dude, you some kind of Nazi White Supremacist Patriarchal Systems of Systemical Oppression Oppressor?Posted by: Common Tater at December 29, 2024 08:02 AM (vlJl4)
149 Thank you all for the wishes and prayers.
AoSHQ is truly a family.
A dysfunctional family....but still none the less, a family.Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 29, 2024 08:03 AM (oeJyF)
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:03 AM (gbOdA)
151 144 "We picked up a cherry panettone yesterday. Outstanding!"
Make French Toast using panettone.
With butter and maple syrup.
The best of both worlds.
Then dredge your bacon through the maple drippings.
Then take nap from the sugar crash.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 29, 2024 07:59 AM (oeJyF)
yumPosted by: m at December 29, 2024 08:03 AM (VnUSN)
152 Morning, 'rons and 'ettes.Posted by: olddog in mo at December 29, 2024 08:03 AM (hoCmQ)
153 Adobe has become so onerous with their subscription cost, DRM and obvious data mining, they forced the company I work for to seek an alternative, even though PDF's are a huge part of our business documentation.Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at December 29, 2024 08:03 AM (tT6L1)
154 What bothers me about the bird strike story: All rein engine planes can fly on one engine. Are they alleging a double bird strike?Posted by: Tom Servo at December 29, 2024 08:04 AM (7MHHr)
155 "And the fact is our public education and higher academia are totally corrupted and failed."
And...WRT the other point, don't forget the court system and the Divorce Industry.Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 29, 2024 08:04 AM (QB+5g)
156 88 Engine explodes
https://tinyurl.com/2933xl8w
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 07:22 AM (gbOdA)
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Looks more like a compressor stall.Posted by: Ciampino - mild wet weather for today S IL at December 29, 2024 08:05 AM (i0xsb)
157 "Engine explodes
https://tinyurl.com/2933xl8w
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 07:22 AM (gbOdA)
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Looks more like a compressor stall."
It might be a tumor!Posted by: That kid. at December 29, 2024 08:06 AM (oeJyF)
158 What is beyond that runway? Is there a runoff area?
Posted by: Ciampino - mild wet weather for today S IL at December 29, 2024 07:53 AM (i0xsb)
Just read that there was a concrete barrier at the end of that runway. I think I see a flaw in that design,Posted by: Tom Servo at December 29, 2024 08:06 AM (7MHHr)
159 The landing gear is also able to be lowered manually. Even if both A and B hydraulics are inopPosted by: Common Tater at December 29, 2024 08:07 AM (vlJl4)
160 Don't drink. Don't do drugs. Show up for work on time every day. Get a good night's sleep. Repressive, bourgeois stuff like that.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 29, 2024 07:52 AM (dxSpM)
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Don't treat marriage as a disposable commodity. Want to get poor overnight? Divorce is a sure fire way.Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at December 29, 2024 08:07 AM (tT6L1)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 29, 2024 08:07 AM (RIvkX)
Posted by: It's never lupus at December 29, 2024 08:08 AM (dg+HA)
163 Every runway, eventually the way runs out.Posted by: Common Tater at December 29, 2024 08:08 AM (vlJl4)
164 153 Adobe has become so onerous with their subscription cost, DRM and obvious data mining, they forced the company I work for to seek an alternative, even though PDF's are a huge part of our business documentation.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at December 29, 2024 08:03 AM (tT6L1)
I love FoxitPosted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:09 AM (gbOdA)
165 100
Was the pilot a Muslim?
Posted by: Pendulating Richard at December 29, 2024 07:32 AM (uTWJk)
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The usual joke is "Don't fly with a pilot that believes in reincarnation!Posted by: Ciampino - no flaps & no air-brakes means too fast at December 29, 2024 08:10 AM (i0xsb)
166 And...WRT the other point, don't forget the court system and the Divorce Industry.
Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 29, 2024 08:04 AM (QB+5g)
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Agreed there is a constellation of social and cultural factors conspiring against stable family formation, as intended by the left.Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 29, 2024 08:10 AM (RIvkX)
167 And...WRT the other point, don't forget the court system and the Divorce Industry.
Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 29, 2024 08:04 AM (QB+5g)
does seem to be a big scam sold by the elite to the poor.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:10 AM (gbOdA)
168 I'm back from ,my workout at the track -- two miles, 22.5 minutes (yes, I walked some of it, maybe 35%?). Time for breakfast.
Ben Had, I'll look the stuff up. It's not dead certain that I am diabetic; my blood sugar at its last test was resolutely normal, but the A1C was elevated, and my doctor is not sure why. In the meantime I'm still being careful about what I eat, and intend to keep most sugar out of my diet even if I'm not diabetic. I feel better, work out more easily, and don't have heartburn any more.Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 29, 2024 08:11 AM (omVj0)
169 Oh yeah, Adobe updates are almost guaranteed to break something. And since Adobe updates regularly, we regularly had stuff break.Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at December 29, 2024 08:11 AM (tT6L1)
170 "Beyond The Runway" starring Cary Grant and Marlene Dietrich tonight on TCM.Posted by: Movie Nerd at December 29, 2024 08:11 AM (dg+HA)
171 Imagine Dr House as an NTSB investigator.Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 29, 2024 08:11 AM (oeJyF)
172 169 Oh yeah, Adobe updates are almost guaranteed to break something. And since Adobe updates regularly, we regularly had stuff break.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at December 29, 2024 08:11 AM (tT6L1)
I use a 10 year Foxit with zero updates.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:13 AM (gbOdA)
173 I use a 10 year Foxit with zero updates.
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:13 AM (gbOdA)
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We switched to PDF Exchange. Users are griping, but that's only due to the learning curve.Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at December 29, 2024 08:13 AM (tT6L1)
174 From the airliners.net thread:
The video of the bird strike showed a single engine hitting a bird and flaming out at an altitude high enough to go through checklists and land as safely as possible in an un-rushed manner using a single engine and redundant control systems.
The plane seemingly flew for at least another 9 minutes after the strike, which was long enough for the plane to reposition itself and land from the opposite direction. This is a sign that the plane was controllable and probably had one working engine.
While fires that spread to the cabin can be serious enough to rush a landing, the video of the landing did not show that the affected engine was still on fire nor were there indications from the video that the affected engine caused a cabin fire.
The plane landed in a configuration that was sub-optimal, to say the least. Most aspects of the planes sub-optimal landing configuration could've been avoided using the plane's redundant control systems.
ContinuedPosted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 29, 2024 08:15 AM (QB+5g)
175 Continuation:.
The plane touched down so far down the runway that the landing had no chance of success. A go-around should've been initiated assuming that the plane had one functional engine and functional backup flight control systems.
The plane flew for 9 minutes after the engine problem.
I'm going for pilot error due to multiple issues not being managed properly.Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 29, 2024 08:18 AM (QB+5g)
176 Vivek's point is our culture and a huge swath of the population believe education is for nerds
And yet you're three times more likely now to have graduated high school than during WWII, and five times more likely to have a college degree. (both likelihoods have risen steadily)
It doesn't matter what "most of" do, because engineers are not "most of". Should we look at Indian culture, because I'm willing to look at the lower castes...?Posted by: t-bird at December 29, 2024 08:20 AM (lCA8w)
177 Gonna be interesting to see what the FDR and the CVR reveal.Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 29, 2024 08:21 AM (3Ope8)
178 As much as I love bacon and eggs for breakfast, I inevitably end up with an "audience" begging for food...Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 29, 2024 08:21 AM (BpYfr)
179 178 As much as I love bacon and eggs for breakfast, I inevitably end up with an "audience" begging for food...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 29, 2024 08:21 AM (BpYfr)
The Mrs.?Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:22 AM (gbOdA)
180 "The leading cause of death for airline passengers is now being shot down by Russia."
Soon to be replaced by in-flight failures of planes repaired or serviced with counterfeit parts that haven't been caught by the airline industry's attempt to get ahead of this problem.
https://tinyurl.com/48as5xb9
Sure they've identified several bad actors and they're trying to alert the airlines to search their records for any parts in inventory or installed from these sources, but some will slip through.
There will be other suppliers that pop up that are injecting bad parts into the repair supply stream. Scammers gonna scam...Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at December 29, 2024 08:22 AM (O7YUW)
181 @ 13, absolutely correct!Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 29, 2024 08:23 AM (cY18j)
182 ha
On the fifth day of Christmas my MP sent to me
Five solar panels
Four tax hikes
Three Bovaer cows
Two trans doves
And a carbon offset green treePosted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:23 AM (gbOdA)
183 There will be other suppliers that pop up that are injecting bad parts into the repair supply stream. Scammers gonna scam...
But if the certs weren't real, could I do this? *riffles paper as in a David Letterman bit*Posted by: Procurement at December 29, 2024 08:26 AM (7a3bZ)
184 "Agreed there is a constellation of social and cultural factors conspiring against stable family formation, as intended by the left."
How about the GREEDY Left?
Because this is using politics to transfer wealth from the people who actually provide value to those who do not.Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 29, 2024 08:26 AM (QB+5g)
185 Wolfus, online. Look for the brand made in Texas. I cheat because I can make my own. Mesquite trees ain't just thorn producers.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 29, 2024
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I see a place called Cappadona Ranch that has the flour for $15.00. The ingredients list on their site says the stuff has 39g of sugars per 100g -- I guess that's the whole package, though. But the sugars are from fructose instead of sucrose? Is that the secret to it?Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 29, 2024 08:27 AM (omVj0)
186 How about the GREEDY Left?
Because this is using politics to transfer wealth from the people who actually provide value to those who do not.
Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 29, 2024 08:26 AM (QB+5g)
They are worse than the man Bastiat describes.
They take productive funds and move them to unproductive people and expect productivity.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:28 AM (gbOdA)
187 You talking to me? Of course it's corrupt and abused. And so says Musk and others, too. That's why the whole program needs to be redone from scratch.
The chief problems I see with Musk's demands on the H1B program is that it is clearly beneficial to his own wealth accumulation above any other consideration and those who have their hands on the control knobs don't view the former United States as their home but as an Economic Opportunity Zone.
But when your government looks across the fruited plain and see nothing but welfare recipients and tax cows, its easy to see your neighborhood and community no different than a strip mine.Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 29, 2024 08:29 AM (rHxhM)
188 "Beyond The Runway" starring Cary Grant and Marlene Dietrich tonight on TCM.
Posted by: Movie Nerd at December 29, 2024
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Do you mean No Highway in the Sky w/ Dietrich and James Stewart?Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 29, 2024 08:30 AM (omVj0)
189 178 As much as I love bacon and eggs for breakfast, I inevitably end up with an "audience" begging for food...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 29, 2024 08:21 AM (BpYfr)
The Mrs.?
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:22 AM (gbOdA)
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A pair of calico kitty catsPosted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 29, 2024 08:30 AM (BpYfr)
190 "Agreed there is a constellation of social and cultural factors conspiring against stable family formation, as intended by the left."
How about the GREEDY Left?
Because this is using politics to transfer wealth from the people who actually provide value to those who do not.
Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 29, 2024 08:26 AM (QB+5g)
The KGB operations made you into a country full of polarized tribes, with most people rejecting facts in favor of narratives and opinions.Posted by: Yuri Bezmenov, KGB Defector at December 29, 2024 08:31 AM (R/m4+)
191 Basically, the H1B program like all other immigration streams both legal, illegal, refugee, asylum, must be stopped, evaluated and redesigned with one goal, does it improve America and benefit American citizens.
Emptying out Bangalore so tech CEO's can improve their bottom line is not MAGA.
Sorry Elon, you're getting over your skis son and you better readjust or your never going to get to Mars with that attitude.Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 29, 2024 08:31 AM (XV/Pl)
192 176
.... and five times more likely to have a college degree. (both likelihoods have risen steadily)
Posted by: t-bird at December 29, 2024 08:20 AM (lCA8w)
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Yes but what is that college degree in? Basket weaving; lesbian dance studies?
It's just the same when everyone repeats the mantra "more women are getting college degrees than men". Ask the same question. 100,000 women with "Gender Studies" 'degrees' is not going to help Industry, or Society for that matter.Posted by: Ciampino - not worth a degree at December 29, 2024 08:32 AM (i0xsb)
193 Yes but what is that college degree in? Basket weaving; lesbian dance studies?
It's just the same when everyone repeats the mantra "more women are getting college degrees than men". Ask the same question. 100,000 women with "Gender Studies" 'degrees' is not going to help Industry, or Society for that matter.
Posted by: Ciampino - not worth a degree at December 29, 2024 08:32 AM (i0xsb)
K-12 ed is for the teachers and admins.
College Ed is for a few tenured profs and the people with Studies or Services in their titles.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:34 AM (gbOdA)
194 It doesn't matter what "most of" do, because engineers are not "most of". Should we look at Indian culture, because I'm willing to look at the lower castes...?
You are also supposed to ignore the cultural differences that makes India a low trust society and you are supposed to accept, after decades and decades of failed nation building that everyone deeply wants and has at the ready the discipline, faith and character necessary to build a high trust society the instant that they get off their flight from India into the US(f)Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 29, 2024 08:34 AM (rHxhM)
195 RE: time....my oldest grandchild is in double digits this year....
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 29, 2024 06:12 AM (3Ope
Yeh. I remember when my allowance was raised to 10 bucks a week, too!
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I know I started kind of late, but... $10/wk?
My oldest ggkid has been in double digits for 3 years. I never actually got an official allowance. If I stayed out of trouble, I'd get a quarter most Saturdays to go to the movies (double feature, serial, cartoon and previews) .20 for admission and a nickel for candy. This started when I was about 7, where I could walk to the theater by myself. It ended when I started delivering the afternoon paper at age 11.
You're either a lot younger, or your family was a lot wealthier.
Posted by: buddhaha at December 29, 2024 08:35 AM (NE+I8)
196 PS
There is no way that college LBGTQ services to help 1 or 2% of the students is legal.
Please do not ask me about race based services.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:35 AM (gbOdA)
197 So there is a greater demand for tech products from the consumers than can be supplied by the producers.
So the consumers bitch about how the suppliers meet the demand while doing nothing to address the problem.
You expect the producers to do something because this solution works, to a degree.
How many people have ever had a conversation with anyone about the actual problems in the H1B program before now?Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 29, 2024 08:36 AM (QB+5g)
198 You are also supposed to ignore the cultural differences that makes India a low trust society and you are supposed to accept, after decades and decades of failed nation building that everyone deeply wants and has at the ready the discipline, faith and character necessary to build a high trust society the instant that they get off their flight from India into the US(f)
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 29, 2024 08:34 AM (rHxhM)
Now do every society south of the Rio GrandePosted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:36 AM (gbOdA)
199 Vivek will be a good appointee, but he just tossed away any chance he had (which arguably was quite small) of holding any elective office. It’s not about the visas , it’s about Vivek going past that and dissing American culture. No ramalamadingdong red dot can get away with that.Posted by: Tom Servo at December 29, 2024 08:36 AM (7MHHr)
200 When a college approves a silly course and/or major it should be penalized. No Fed or State funding for starters. No loans to those students.Posted by: Ciampino - not worth a degree at December 29, 2024 08:36 AM (i0xsb)
201 Sorry Elon, you're getting over your skis son and you better readjust or your never going to get to Mars with that attitude.
Elon's rejection in seeing the United States as our home rather seeing it as an Economic Opportunity Zone is a huge reason why the Constitution forbids having a recently naturalized citizen sit as President.†
† as was more than abundantly apparent when the US experimented with having an illegal alien from Kenya as POTUS.Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 29, 2024 08:37 AM (rHxhM)
202 Most anybody can graduate from HS with a minimal amount of effort. It didn't used to be like that. Now, for many, it's a participation trophy.
There are plenty of people that have been very successful without a HS diploma. They are truly unburdened by the past.Posted by: fd at December 29, 2024 08:38 AM (vFG9F)
203 Warner was 30 when she took out the loan for her law degree. In the 1980s.
I get a law degree not doing much for you now because there are way more lawyers than jobs, but in the 1980s? There's some detail about this woman they aren't telling us.Posted by: Ian S. at December 29, 2024 08:38 AM (Aq1uz)
204 How many people have ever had a conversation with anyone about the actual problems in the H1B program before now?
Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 29, 2024 08:36 AM (QB+5g)
And only MAGA type thinking made this possible.
NeoCons bow and scrape to globalist.
Progs never met an illegal that was not a future voter.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:38 AM (gbOdA)
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 29, 2024 08:38 AM (rHxhM)
206 How many people have ever had a conversation with anyone about the actual problems in the H1B program before now?
Maybe that is exactly what needs to happen. Vivek and Elon seemed to have tee'd it up.Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 29, 2024 08:39 AM (3Ope8)
207 Ask yourself why India never expanded, never had an empire.Posted by: Ciampino - not worth a degree at December 29, 2024 08:39 AM (i0xsb)
208 "They have better family values"
- George "W" Bush
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 29, 2024 08:38 AM (rHxhM)
Ann Coulter is a cracra bitch but she pointed out more pregnant 10 and 11 YOs in Mexico City than all US and Canada.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:41 AM (gbOdA)
209 I get a law degree not doing much for you now because there are way more lawyers than jobs, but in the 1980s? There's some detail about this woman they aren't telling us.
The lowest responsibility career on earth that requires a college-degree is elementary school teacher. And they laid her off in a school district that has a longtime comfort and tradition of academic failure.Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 29, 2024 08:41 AM (rHxhM)
210 Emptying out Bangalore so tech CEO's can improve their bottom line is not MAGA.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 29, 2024 08:31 AM (XV/Pl)
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All of you folks are not reading what Elon wrote about the numbers of visas being talked about by him (versus the current corrupt program).Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 29, 2024 08:41 AM (oClyJ)
211 as was more than abundantly apparent when the US experimented with having an illegal alien from Kenya as POTUS.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 29, 2024 08:37 AM (rHxhM)
We have already been through all of that. President Obama was born on US soil, end of story. No need to investigate further.Posted by: Al Jackwagon, Believes What The Media Tells Him To at December 29, 2024 08:41 AM (R/m4+)
212 Let me tell you something about you that you don't know! - VivekPosted by: San Franpsycho at December 29, 2024 08:41 AM (RIvkX)
213 December 29, 2024!Posted by: runner at December 29, 2024 08:42 AM (QTCRF)
214 The H1B thing is a red herring in a sense. American engineers demand ridiculous salaries and are largely dumb as a stump anyway, so forcing some Hire Americans law is just posturing. Foreign engineers are cheaper, and great at taking tests, but are also largely dumb as a stump, because they all cheated their way through life to get where they are. That, or they had to cram mercilessly their entire childhood just to reach the lofty heights of mediocrity.
The problem is that genius and talent are exceedingly scarce commodities, and you don't simply "scale up" by "hiring more". There aren't more. Diploma mills don't create genius and talent. They create credentialed mediocrity.
So you can have either expensive American dolts or cheap foreign dolts. It's mostly a matter of preference.Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 29, 2024 08:42 AM (y/ZMQ)
215 Some of the so-called MAGA people here sounding off on this sound like a bunch of bigots.Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 29, 2024 08:42 AM (QB+5g)
216 Maybe that is exactly what needs to happen. Vivek and Elon seemed to have tee'd it up.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 29, 2024 08:39 AM (3Ope
And as they go back home in 3 years how do they add to long term prosperity. They have every reason t live cheap and send dollars back home.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:42 AM (gbOdA)
217 Let me tell you something about you that you don't know! - Vivek
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 29, 2024 08:41 AM (RIvkX)
perfect !Posted by: runner at December 29, 2024 08:42 AM (QTCRF)
218 Today is Sunday.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:42 AM (gbOdA)
219 @201
>>Elon's rejection in seeing the United States as our home rather seeing it as an Economic Opportunity Zone is a huge reason why the Constitution forbids having a recently naturalized citizen sit as President.
We're all big boys and girls, we can get into a discussion about the necessity of the H1B Visa program, but what we cannot tolerate is being called racist for questioning it's utility.
The US graduates over 100k Computer Science graduates per year, if we need more tech workers, then we should recruit from other STEM fields, offer incentives to switch, you know, act like capitalists, we do not some form Oligarchical Fascism.
Or Alternatively....
Rex Grossman: Literally F**K your own face Elon.Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 29, 2024 08:43 AM (XV/Pl)
220 Let me see, Elon and Vivek killed the monstrous CR. Something which was unimaginable just a couple of years ago. (that the slimmer version was still full of a bunch of crap is beside the point. Harder to hide everything is a smaller CR)
Elon and Vivek have now brought the H1 B issue out into the open. Again, unimaginable just a couple of years ago.
I think we need to cut them both a bit of slack, because they're doing their best to bring out issues which need to be addressed.Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at December 29, 2024 08:43 AM (tT6L1)
221 it’s about Vivek going past that and dissing American culture.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 29, 2024 08:36 AM (7MHHr)
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And where did Ramaswamy say that? I've read tons but obviously I missed something.Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 29, 2024 08:43 AM (oClyJ)
222 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at December 29, 2024 08:43 AM (tT6L1)
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Finally, moronic common sense!Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 29, 2024 08:44 AM (oClyJ)
223 "Beyond The Runway" starring Cary Grant and Marlene Dietrich tonight on TCM.
Posted by: Movie Nerd
I don't see that on TCM's schedule for today. As a matter of fact, I don't see a movie with that title on either Grant's or Dietrich's filmography. I do see that Stanwyck's " Ball of Fire" is on latter this morning. Also "The Thin Man" marathon starts Tuesday evening.Posted by: Tuna at December 29, 2024 08:45 AM (oaGWv)
224 215 Some of the so-called MAGA people here sounding off on this sound like a bunch of bigots.
Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 29, 2024 08:42 AM (QB+5g)
If asking how people of Non western culture and traditions will add to the national character then I guess I am.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:46 AM (gbOdA)
225 if one factors in all the H1B abuses, it is more costly to hire h1b workers than train local talentPosted by: runner at December 29, 2024 08:46 AM (QTCRF)
226 >>How many people have ever had a conversation with anyone about the actual problems in the H1B program before now?
I have.
But I get your point. What's usually helpful in this type of debate is factual data over conjecture. Here it is, straight from the DOL database.
The biggest problem I have with the H1B program is not what it was supposed to be, it's what it actually is. The reality is the program is not about finding the best rocket surgeons in the world only. Not even close.
https://tinyurl.com/2ensu25wPosted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2024 08:46 AM (LkLld)
227 Elon and Vivek have now brought the H1 B issue out into the open.
I don't pretend to understand all this about H1B. But Vivek and Elon obviously are making this a thing. How does it relate to DOGE - government waste, fraud and abuse?Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at December 29, 2024 08:46 AM (SfhV1)
228 How many people have ever had a conversation with anyone about the actual problems in the H1B program before now?
Many, many. But I was in Silicon Valley for a very long time, where it was a topic already in the 90's.Posted by: t-bird at December 29, 2024 08:46 AM (lCA8w)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 29, 2024 08:46 AM (oClyJ)
230 Please to be finding appropriate pants for the Book Thread.Posted by: Bob from Bangalore at December 29, 2024 08:47 AM (PiwSw)
231 Ask yourself why India never expanded, never had an empire.
Or you can read a recent article From American Renaissance authored by Jayant Bhandari, native of India, who is definitely down on India in a recent article: "India: It's Worse Than You Think"†
Basically he describes a sadistic culture that mirrors the worst elements in political power in Babylon DC.
† https://tinyurl.com/47ftp9myPosted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 29, 2024 08:47 AM (rHxhM)
232 I don't pretend to understand all this about H1B. But Vivek and Elon obviously are making this a thing. How does it relate to DOGE - government waste, fraud and abuse?
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at December 29, 2024 08:46 AM (SfhV1)
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No idea.
Morning, Grammie!Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at December 29, 2024 08:47 AM (tT6L1)
233 @210
>>All of you folks are not reading what Elon wrote about the numbers of visas being talked about by him (versus the current corrupt program).
Again, I'm generally pro-Elon, what I'm not pro-Elon is the rhetoric he and Vivekchoosing to deploy in discussing this.
Again, if we need more tech workers then they need to be produced here and H1B needs to be reformed so that companies like Disney can't use it to sh*tcan their expensive indigenous tech workers and forcing them to train their replacements who are the equivalent of Indian Wetbacks taking roofing jobs.Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 29, 2024 08:48 AM (XV/Pl)
234 Also "The Thin Man" marathon starts Tuesday evening.
Posted by: Tuna at December 29, 2024 08:45 AM (oaGWv)
Oh good!Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at December 29, 2024 08:48 AM (SfhV1)
235 Earlier this year, Rep. James E. Clyburn met President Joe Biden at the White House to deliver a stern message: Biden had to find a way to revitalize his flagging campaign. Clyburn, who had been pivotal to Biden’s 2020 victory, also made a confession about his own long-standing belief that substance is more important than style in politics.
“I have come to the conclusion in recent days that I’m wrong about that,” the South Carolina Democrat, 84, remembers telling Biden. “The new environment that we currently live in — style seems to carry the day more than substance.”
“Your style,” he told the president, “does not lend itself well to the environment we’re currently in.”
Please o please Dems keep worrying about style.Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:48 AM (gbOdA)
236 Foreign engineers are cheaper, and great at taking tests, but are also largely dumb as a stump, because they all cheated their way through life to get where they are.
I've been in the position of fixing code written by outsourcers, and thus management learning the wrong lesson of "everything will be fine". I'm sure there are super bright people in India because there are everywhere, and we should certainly want to attract those people. But it's also notable that there are no great Indian tech companies.Posted by: Ian S. at December 29, 2024 08:48 AM (Aq1uz)
237 Good morning blake!Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at December 29, 2024 08:48 AM (SfhV1)
238 Just read that there was a concrete barrier at the end of that runway. I think I see a flaw in that design,
Posted by: Tom Servo
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If it's like the rest of Korea, there's a half-mile or so of houses and apartments and businesses with a couple of thousands of occupants.
The concrete barrier is not a design flaw.Posted by: buddhaha at December 29, 2024 08:48 AM (NE+I8)
239 185
But the sugars are from fructose instead of sucrose? Is that the secret to it?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 29, 2024 08:27 AM (omVj0)
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Fructose is metabolized by the liver rather than everywhere. Not good according to metabolic experts. Sucrose is only half fructose and the rest glucose - better.
Are you against using artificial sweetners?Posted by: Ciampino - glucose + sweetner at December 29, 2024 08:48 AM (i0xsb)
240 Elon and Vivek have now brought the H1 B issue out into the open.
I don't pretend to understand all this about H1B. But Vivek and Elon obviously are making this a thing. How does it relate to DOGE - government waste, fraud and abuse?
DOGE is a Trojan Horse that has H1B and colonization from around the world as its real content.Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 29, 2024 08:49 AM (rHxhM)
241 How does it relate to DOGE - government waste, fraud and abuse?
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at December 29, 2024 08:46 AM (SfhV1)
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1. What makes you think that Musk & Ramaswamy only talk about DOGE?
2. I bet there's a lotta corruption - hence money and power abuse - in the current H1B program. Hence DOGE.Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 29, 2024 08:49 AM (oClyJ)
242 Can you say what limit should be on the number of H1B visas issued? What if there was only one? Or maybe just a dozen?Posted by: fd at December 29, 2024 08:49 AM (vFG9F)
243 Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at December 29, 2024 08:46 AM (SfhV1)
It relates to Elon's income, and he's been threatening and profane. Perhaps he should not be in charge of any part of our lives. Citizens of three countries are more loyal to their money than any of the countries. The fact that he's building facilities in China, make him suspect.Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 29, 2024 08:49 AM (2NXcZ)
244 Wolfus, try mesquite willie's dot com.Posted by: Ben Had at December 29, 2024 08:49 AM (XTmTf)
245 before it was supposed to bring in talent not available in the US (imagine! talent not found in Harvard med or MIT!) - super duper scientists, medics, etc. please to explain how it now covers every industry including nail salons ?Posted by: runner at December 29, 2024 08:49 AM (QTCRF)
246 223 "Beyond The Runway" starring Cary Grant and Marlene Dietrich tonight on TCM.
Posted by: Movie Nerd
I don't see that on TCM's schedule for today. As a matter of fact, I don't see a movie with that title on either Grant's or Dietrich's filmography.
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That was a poor attempt at dark humor in response to 131:
"It never was going to stop. It seemed to be going very fast. With a belly landing, no wheel brakes (obviously) and no thrust reversers since the engines are off (fire hazard). What is beyond that runway? Is there a runoff area?"
Back to the sardonic wit drawing board.Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 29, 2024 08:50 AM (dg+HA)
247 DOGE is a Trojan Horse that has H1B and colonization from around the world as its real content.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 29, 2024 08:49 AM (rHxhM)
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lol. Try hiding your trolling a bit better.Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 29, 2024 08:50 AM (oClyJ)
248 And where did Ramaswamy say that? I've read tons but obviously I missed something.
He said America's culture is broken and we don't produce good STEM workers because of high school football.Posted by: Ian S. at December 29, 2024 08:50 AM (Aq1uz)
249 @ 190 really says it allPosted by: sock_rat_eez at December 29, 2024 08:51 AM (cY18j)
250 He said America's culture is broken and we don't produce good STEM workers because of high school football.
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Vivek's arrogance will be his undoing.Posted by: runner at December 29, 2024 08:51 AM (QTCRF)
251 But it's also notable that there are no great Indian tech companies.
Its a ruthless market in the tech sector. Its a gig economy in that sense, and where tech companies will layoff at a drop of the hat, the employees will cross the street to work for a competitor if the job pays one paisa per hour more.
Loyalty and Continuity are not found in India.Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 29, 2024 08:52 AM (rHxhM)
252 Morning peeps.
I think this H1B debate is more about the left driving a wedge between Elon and Vivek and the MAGA corps.
Trump's on record as being fine with the H1B program as it is. Whether that's good or bad is debatable.
What's not is that the focus is now on this "division" and not the original focus of cleaning house in the capitol city.Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 29, 2024 08:52 AM (Q4IgG)
253 Good Sunday morning to everyone.
Haven't read anything good and many things bad about artificial sweeteners.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 29, 2024 08:52 AM (0b3lL)
254 I don't pretend to understand all this about H1B. But Vivek and Elon obviously are making this a thing. How does it relate to DOGE - government waste, fraud and abuse?
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at December 29, 2024 08:46 AM (SfhV1)
Fraud The system is gamed in such a way that a high paid skilled worker is benefitting a foreign country and not the US. 1. Is the worker being paid competitive wages and paying taxes into system he benefits from?
2. Is the worker investing in the US (home rent 401k) or just remitting his wages back home.
3. How will they become a productive citizen?Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:52 AM (gbOdA)
255 /multiple sock puppets alertPosted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 29, 2024 08:52 AM (oClyJ)
256 "The biggest problem I have with the H1B program is not what it was supposed to be, it's what it actually is. The reality is the program is not about finding the best rocket surgeons in the world only. Not even close."
This is obvious. Never underestimate the ability of a human being to make a buck.
Some of them would laugh because the government "elected" buy the people just sits around and goes "who me?" when the shysters are busy corrupting the system.Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 29, 2024 08:52 AM (QB+5g)
257 He said America's culture is broken and we don't produce good STEM workers because of high school football.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 29, 2024 08:50 AM (Aq1uz)
It isPosted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 08:53 AM (gbOdA)
258 He said America's culture is broken and we don't produce good STEM workers because of high school football.
When the Captain of the Chess team rather than Chad the quarterback can bed down the Prom Queen let me know.Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 29, 2024 08:54 AM (rHxhM)
259 That was a poor attempt at dark humor in response to 131:
Back to the sardonic wit drawing board.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty
That's what I thought but I wasn't sure about what. Thanks for filling me in. LOLPosted by: Tuna at December 29, 2024 08:54 AM (oaGWv)
260 Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 29, 2024 08:48 AM (XV/Pl)
I thought their language was totally unacceptable and tantrum like. Both hate this country whatever they may say. And now they're calling us racists.
Vivek also is involved with pharma, and I don't trust him.Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 29, 2024 08:54 AM (2NXcZ)
261 He said America's culture is broken and we don't produce good STEM workers because of high school football.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 29, 2024 08:50 AM (Aq1uz)
I think it's because of Michelle's school lunch program.Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at December 29, 2024 08:54 AM (SfhV1)
262 Some of the so-called MAGA people here sounding off on this sound like a bunch of bigots.
Posted by: pawn
But that's the point of the H1B program- subvert the culture, and demonize those who see it. Win-win. There was never a shortage. In Silicon Valley? You've got to be kidding me. The place has been high-tech since the 30's with NASA (well, NACA).Posted by: t-bird at December 29, 2024 08:55 AM (lHpdB)
263 Again, India churns out over a million computer science graduates per year, the H1B program has largely been a work program for the Indian government and the Indian tech worker.
Again, if we need more tech workers then they need to be developed here and not imported.Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 29, 2024 08:55 AM (XV/Pl)
264 ***and indeed the GPS coordinates of everywhere your car ever went
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MAPS are turned off in everything I own.Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 29, 2024 08:55 AM (0b3lL)
265 Ciampino, take a moment if you will and read the benefits of mesquite flour and how it is metabolized.Posted by: Ben Had at December 29, 2024 08:55 AM (XTmTf)
266 Shoot. That must have been me.Posted by: t-bird at December 29, 2024 08:56 AM (lHpdB)
267 They just showed a Korean airliner crash with 177 souls lost. It looked like a perfect wheels up landing until it wasn't.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 29, 2024 07:04 AM (gm9Sb)
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It never was going to stop. It seemed to be going very fast. With a belly landing, no wheel brakes (obviously) and no thrust reversers since the engines are off (fire hazard). What is beyond that runway? Is there a runoff area?
Posted by: Ciampino
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Looks like they hit a big pile of construction rubble.Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 29, 2024 08:56 AM (/lPRQ)
268 Posted by: Ben Had at December 29, 2024 06:52 AM (XTmTf)
I meant to ask you about mesquite flour at the MoMee.Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 29, 2024 08:56 AM (lFFaq)
269 199 Vivek will be a good appointee, but he just tossed away any chance he had (which arguably was quite small) of holding any elective office. It’s not about the visas , it’s about Vivek going past that and dissing American culture. No ramalamadingdong red dot can get away with that.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 29, 2024 08:36 AM (7MHHr)
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You're wrong. Look at D politicians. Who do they favor? Intruders. Yet they get elected.Posted by: Ciampino - voters don't think that deeply or for long at December 29, 2024 08:56 AM (i0xsb)
270 When the Captain of the Chess team rather than Chad the quarterback can bed down the Prom Queen let me know.
It's more likely than you think, the chess team guys just need to start lifting and not be introverts.Posted by: Ian S. at December 29, 2024 08:56 AM (Aq1uz)
271 @ 214, spot-on, W-oPosted by: sock_rat_eez at December 29, 2024 08:56 AM (cY18j)
272 ----
Fructose is metabolized by the liver rather than everywhere. Not good according to metabolic experts. Sucrose is only half fructose and the rest glucose - better.
Are you against using artificial sweetners?
Posted by: Ciampino - glucose + sweetner at December 29, 2024
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Not at all; I use them in my coffee now. I was just curious about this mesquite flour Ben Had mentioned.Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 29, 2024 08:57 AM (omVj0)
273 How about revising this to "He said America's culture is broken and we don't produce ENOUGH good STEM workers because of high school football.
Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 29, 2024 08:57 AM (QB+5g)
274 We have very good STEM education, and our University system (mind you no grade school/high school) is one of the most valued in the world. It is just that actual numbers are gamed and faked to serve Big Tech, Big Med, Big Nurse and similar drive for cheap labor. So it is impossible to say with certainty what we have and what we need.Posted by: runner at December 29, 2024 08:57 AM (QTCRF)
275 220, 222, yes, this, precisely!Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 29, 2024 08:57 AM (cY18j)
276 When the Captain of the Chess team rather than Chad the quarterback can bed down the Prom Queen let me know.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 29, 2024 08:54 AM (rHxhM)
That's silly. We can have sports and smart kids. We have for a very long time. The Elon fanbois should be careful with the bromance, look what happened with great philanthropist Gates? You must have been the pimply nerd.Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 29, 2024 08:57 AM (2NXcZ)
277 He said America's culture is broken and we don't produce good STEM workers because of high school football.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 29, 2024 08:50 AM (Aq1uz)
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American culture IS broken! And everyone here has correctly been shouting it out - justifiably so - every since Obama got into the WH.
Regarding US education, that's also been a major subject here.
Ramaswamy's is constructive criticism. Things are broken. They need to be fixed.
BTW, if you have a direct link to where Vik said this, I would appreciate it. Thanks.Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 29, 2024 08:58 AM (oClyJ)
Posted by: Bob @ NSA at December 29, 2024 08:58 AM (QHWjA)
279 I've been in the position of fixing code written by outsourcers, and thus management learning the wrong lesson of "everything will be fine".
I've made good coin doing Rescue Missions where the outsourced team did a lousy job or worse, didn't do anything at all and lied for months on end on the state of progress.Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 29, 2024 08:58 AM (rHxhM)
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at December 29, 2024 08:58 AM (SfhV1)
281 Look at D politicians. Who do they favor? Intruders. Yet they get elected.
They also don't campaign on that, even in blue states.Posted by: Ian S. at December 29, 2024 08:58 AM (Aq1uz)
282 >>This is obvious. Never underestimate the ability of a human being to make a buck.
It should be obvious but apparently it isn't. Even too Elon.
When his opening salvo, before he's done squat to cut government corruption and spending, is to talk about going to war to save a program that is wildly corrupt and helps keep American wages low while favoring foreign workers over American workers and if you don't agree with him, and I quote, "take a step back and fuck yourself in the face" he's not making his point very clearly.
Musk, might be a brilliant inventor and thinker but he is also laser focused on one thing. Mars. Everything he does is a pursuit of that goal and he will do whatever it takes to make it happen. I give him all the thanks in the world for helping save free speech but I have no illusion that he is looking out for my or our best interest in everything. Thomas Edison was never wrong. He just found 1000 ways not to make a lightbulb before he found one that worked.Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2024 08:59 AM (LkLld)
283 Bring your reading glasses and head upstairs
BOOK NOODPosted by: Skip at December 29, 2024 09:00 AM (fwDg9)
284 we don't produce ENOUGH good STEM workers because of high school football.
Is that proveable?
Produce all you want, we're not hiring.Posted by: HR and Accounting at December 29, 2024 09:00 AM (/3Wsk)
285 I am absolutely against artificial sweetners.Posted by: Ben Had at December 29, 2024 09:00 AM (XTmTf)
286 You must have been the pimply nerd.
Home schooled and "graduated" two years early and ran a computer department for a Dallas engineering firm they day I turned 16.Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 29, 2024 09:00 AM (rHxhM)
Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 29, 2024 09:01 AM (QB+5g)
288 I think we need to cut them both a bit of slack, because they're doing their best to bring out issues which need to be addressed.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at December 29, 2024 08:43 AM (tT6L1)
Threatening people who disagree with them and the level of profanity are unacceptable. Trump was aware of H-1B abuse in 2016, as were all the guys replaced by foreigners. There's nothing new except their hatred of US workers as an impediment to more and more billions. MAybe Elon can get a 4th citizenship to Ukraine or somethingPosted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 29, 2024 09:01 AM (2NXcZ)
289 Just think but would not UBI mean that Vivek and Elon and I all get the same check. That is how SS works that we all get the same max check at 62 and 65...
Why is this left out of all UBI studies?Posted by: rhennigantx at December 29, 2024 09:01 AM (gbOdA)
290 If Big Tech guaranteed a job at the end of 4 years of college, and subsidized, or partially subsidized that education, believe you me, they would have a supply of workforce that would satisfy their needs.Posted by: runner at December 29, 2024 09:01 AM (QTCRF)
291 American culture IS broken! And everyone here has correctly been shouting it out - justifiably so - ever since Obama got into the WH.
Yes, but there's a strong element of nobody wanting to hear foreigners saying so. Same reason the rare European who makes a valid point in that direction gets dogpiled. Vivek's smarter than this, but his mouth got out ahead of his runway.Posted by: Ian S. at December 29, 2024 09:02 AM (Aq1uz)
292 H1B is going to be totally re-worked. Was it an issue during the election? No. Did anyone here mention it? No. People should be pleased that they are acknowledging the problem and addressing it.
Facts about what they are going to do are slim to none. Online talk shows are selling tickets and there are many buyers.Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 29, 2024 09:02 AM (0b3lL)
293 Judging from your posts, you probably are.
Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 29, 2024 09:01 AM (QB+5g)
Plenty of the American workers displaced by H-1b were Americans of Chinese, Taiwanese descent and some were black. The foreigners were simply cheaper.Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 29, 2024 09:02 AM (2NXcZ)
294 BTW, has anyone seen the most recent pictures of Bill Gates? I think he has the AIDS or something.Posted by: Ian S. at December 29, 2024 09:03 AM (Aq1uz)
295 American culture IS broken! And everyone here has correctly been shouting it out - justifiably so - ever since Obama got into the WH.
Yes, but there's a strong element of nobody wanting to hear foreigners saying so.
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Excellent point. Though Vivek is not a foreigner, just an arrogant asshole.Posted by: runner at December 29, 2024 09:03 AM (QTCRF)
296 We already have a visa program for really highly skilled people - look up O visa (that's the letter O).Posted by: Ciampino - voters don't think that deeply or for long! at December 29, 2024 09:04 AM (i0xsb)
297 U.S. is rank among first-world (OECD) nations
science, 12th of 37
math, 28th of 37
Google + Intel + Tesla were all founded or built by immigrants.
They employ 400,000+ people collectively.
Percentage of workforce allowed to be H1-B is effectively capped at 15% for big tech companies.
The other 85%+ is American.
At Google only 5% of the workforce was H1-B renewals or petitions in 2023.
The U.S. is 12/37 among first-world (OECD) nations in science.
28/37 in math.
400,000 new engineers are needed every year.
A third of positions go unfilled.
Short-term, we need foreign reinforcements or we will lose.
Long-term, we need to improve the home team.
Kaizen D. Asiedu@thatsKAIZEN
https://tinyurl.com/4rdfnpzwPosted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 29, 2024 09:05 AM (0b3lL)
298 290 If Big Tech guaranteed a job at the end of 4 years of college, and subsidized, or partially subsidized that education, believe you me, they would have a supply of workforce that would satisfy their needs.
Posted by: runner at December 29, 2024 09:01 AM (QTCRF)
They'd rather have cheap foreigners, just as they are happy to have cheap outsourcing. There is no mystery here. None of these people are Einstein or Tesla or even Steve Jobs, they're cheap, will live in housing attached to the facility and will put up with anything with the hope of chian migration.Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 29, 2024 09:05 AM (2NXcZ)
299 >>We already have a visa program for really highly skilled people - look up O visa (that's the letter O).
Yep. O-1Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2024 09:06 AM (LkLld)
300 BTW, has anyone seen the most recent pictures of Bill Gates? I think he has the AIDS or something.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 29, 2024 09:03 AM (Aq1uz)
Hey! Just because I am flabby and pasty but still manage to sport humongous man boobs is no reason to get personal!Posted by: Bill Gates, Tech Weirdo at December 29, 2024 09:07 AM (R/m4+)
301 209 I get a law degree not doing much for you now because there are way more lawyers than jobs, but in the 1980s? There's some detail about this woman they aren't telling us.
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Start by asking if this person went to the reporter with this story or if the reporter dug up a bunch of people and this one was the most outlandish sounding one.Posted by: Ciampino - readers don't think that deeply or for long! at December 29, 2024 09:08 AM (i0xsb)
302 Google + Intel + Tesla were all founded or built by immigrants.
Tesla, yes. Google and Intel, no. I suppose you can count Brin as an immigrant because he came over as a refusenik at age 6, but your research is lousy. DId you learn this shit from Musk? And Brin did not displace an AMerican worker. Your love for Elon clouds your judgement. Next you'll be quoting the MSM.Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 29, 2024 09:08 AM (2NXcZ)
303 267 They just showed a Korean airliner crash with 177 souls lost. It looked like a perfect wheels up landing until it wasn't.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin,
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Like my motorcyclist buddy said, it's not the speed it's the impact.
Slamming a 737 into a wall is a bitch.Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 29, 2024 09:09 AM (0b3lL)
304 "Plenty of the American workers displaced by H-1b were Americans of Chinese, Taiwanese descent and some were black. The foreigners were simply cheaper."
You are so full of shit. A Black engineer that can show up for work can pretty much name his price in todays market.
Why don't you take your wet brain posting somewhere else.Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 29, 2024 09:09 AM (QB+5g)
305 The biggest problem I have with the H1B program is not what it was supposed to be, it's what it actually is. The reality is the program is not about finding the best rocket surgeons in the world only. Not even close.
https://tinyurl.com/2ensu25w
Posted by: JackStraw
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Einstein and a few German rocket surgeons are the exception.
The biggest proponents are probably about their own rice bowls as H1B is an odd visa class to pull out of nowhere.
The 'lottery' is usually the one that is focused on when people start slinging 'racist' around.Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 29, 2024 09:12 AM (/lPRQ)
306 299 >>We already have a visa program for really highly skilled people - look up O visa (that's the letter O).
Yep. O-1
Posted by: JackStraw
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Then it must be overhauled too if 1/3 of 400,000 engineers go unhired. That's 133k vacant/unfilled job slots.Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 29, 2024 09:13 AM (0b3lL)
307 Why don't you take your wet brain posting somewhere else.
Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 29, 2024 09:09 AM (QB+5g)
"Wet Brain"....Hahahaha! So gonna use that one.Posted by: Best Insults To Use at December 29, 2024 09:14 AM (R/m4+)
308 >>Einstein and a few German rocket surgeons are the exception.
The biggest proponents are probably about their own rice bowls as H1B is an odd visa class to pull out of nowhere.
>>The 'lottery' is usually the one that is focused on when people start slinging 'racist' around.
The data contained in that link comes directly from the Department of Labor. Apparently it's easier to not read it and just call anyone who disagrees with the program racist and say it will be fixed, don't worry.
That's why we are here now.Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2024 09:16 AM (LkLld)
309 H1B wasn't on anyone's radar before this week. It's b.s. relative to the reasons we voted for Trump. If Trump's goals are fulfilled this import problem doesn't rate much on the GAS meter.
It's podcasters, Xtalkers and cable ginning up audience; That's the biggest deal of it.Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 29, 2024 09:17 AM (0b3lL)
310 >>H1B wasn't on anyone's radar before this week.
No matter how many times you say this you would become right.Posted by: JackStraw at December 29, 2024 09:18 AM (LkLld)
311 Funny how BureaucracySpeak infects our language. We routinely use terms buried deep within Byzantine regulations that have come to govern our lives: W-2, 1040, 401(k), H1B, 501(c) and I-9.Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 29, 2024 09:26 AM (dg+HA)
312 297
Google + Intel + Tesla were all founded or built by immigrants.
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Not strictly correct. Some of those 'immigrants' were actually children of immigrants. Also cherry picking because many of those were cofounded and the 'other' was a natural-born US citizen.
Also: what about Standard Oil, Texas Instruments, Tandy, Walmart, Amazon, etc. .......Posted by: Ciampino - readers don't think that deeply or for long! at December 29, 2024 09:30 AM (i0xsb)
313 More likely they forgot to put the gear down. A bird strike on an engine isn’t going to affect hydraulics
Posted by: Common Tater at December 29, 2024 07:19 AM (vlJl4)
The gear was down, as seen in earlier videos of the actual crash a few days ago. The gear can be released manually. Two videos from Dec 24th.
https://tinyurl.com/5n7ux49x
https://tinyurl.com/2b75779rPosted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at December 29, 2024 09:32 AM (iODuv)
314 >>H1B wasn't on anyone's radar before this week.
No matter how many times you say this you would become right.
Posted by: JackStraw
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H1B issues would pop up in national news every now and then.
This time its a big flareup and odd in that the major players are shrieking but also saying it just needs some tweaking.
You'd think there would be a boarder take, something like
- illegal aliens, pros v. cons
- legal aliens, pros v. cons
Subset - Legal Aliens -
- IVs, pros v. cons
- NIVs, pros v. cons
Do this before diving into diving into 4th order sub-sets of visa classes as broader bigger issues need to be addressed.
... Anyway, gotta head down to AutoZone to see if I can find a slav to change the oil...
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 29, 2024 09:35 AM (/lPRQ)
315 Here's how H-1B really works. Someone took the time to put together the real numbers. Anyone trusting Musk on this is creating a false god equivalent to Saint Horowitz.
https://tinyurl.com/3937xfy4Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 29, 2024 10:08 AM (2NXcZ)
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