WSJ: The "Intelligence" Community Knew or Should Have Known Covid-19 Was Made in the Wuhan Lab

The "intelligence" agencies acted as de facto propaganda ministries for China in willfully covering up for that communist country.

Behind Closed Doors: The Spy-World Scientists Who Argued Covid Was a Lab Leak

The idea that the pandemic's origins lie with a research facility in China was once labeled a conspiracy theory
By Michael R. Gordon and Warren P. Strobel

The first anecdote: The White House summoned the four "intelligence" agencies which claimed that there was a "low confidence" finding that covid had evolved naturally.

The FBI, which had concluded with "moderate confidence" that the virus was created at the Wuhan lab, was pointedly not invited to brief the president or air its findings at the White House.

A car and driver had been readied to whisk Jason Bannan from FBI headquarters early one morning in August 2021 to brief the White House on a novel virus that was killing hundreds of thousands of Americans and had stopped the world in its tracks.
Bannan had been told by his superiors to be on hand in case the Federal Bureau of Investigation was asked to join a top intelligence community briefing for the president. But the White House summons never came.
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The dominant view within the intelligence community was clear when Avril Haines, the director of national intelligence, and a couple of her senior analysts, briefed Biden and his top aides on Aug. 24. The National Intelligence Council, a body of senior intelligence officers who reported to Haines and that organized the intelligence review, had concluded with "low confidence" that Covid-19 had emerged when the virus leapt from an animal to a human. So did four intelligence agencies.
Avril Haines, director of national intelligence, leaving the Capitol after a House briefing two years ago in Washington.
At the time, the FBI was the only agency that concluded a lab leak was likely, a judgment it had rendered with "moderate confidence." But neither Bannan nor any other FBI officials were at the briefing to make their case first hand to the president.
"Being the only agency that assessed that a laboratory origin was more likely, and the agency that expressed the highest level of confidence in its analysis of the source of the pandemic, we anticipated the FBI would be asked to attend the briefing," Bannan recalled in his first on-the-record interview on the subject. "I find it surprising that the White House didn't ask."

I don't find that surprising at all. A cover-up of this size requires plausible deniability. You want to be able to say that the senile president heard no evidence that the virus was created by China.

The scumbags in the government of course insist there was no problem whatsoever in not inviting the only dissident voices.

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But an investigation by The Wall Street Journal shows that the disagreements among intelligence experts over what should be included in the report ran deeper than is publicly known. Nor were the FBI scientists the only ones who believed that the intelligence directorate's review didn't tell the whole story.
Three scientists at the National Center for Medical Intelligence, part of the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency, conducted a scientific study that concluded that Covid-19 was manipulated in a laboratory in a risky research effort. But that analysis was at odds with the assessment of their parent agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency, and wasn't incorporated in the report presented to Biden.

The DIA Inspector General launched an inquiry into whether this report was suppressed.

You can't read the findings of that IG report, because they're being suppressed.

Plot twist.

The DIA Inspector General's office opened an inquiry in the spring into whether the scientists' assessment was mishandled or suppressed, people familiar with the matter said. A spokesman for the agency declined to comment on whether this inquiry was continuing, had been completed and what it might have included.
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'Off the reservation'
As the FBI continued to push to ensure the lab theory was taken seriously, there were also debates at the Defense Intelligence Agency, which houses the main U.S. government organization dedicated to medical intelligence. The National Center for Medical Intelligence looks at health threats around the world that might endanger U.S. troops, such as infectious diseases and biological weapons.
Three scientists there--John Hardham, Robert Cutlip and Jean-Paul Chretien--conducted a genomic analysis that concluded that the virus had been manipulated in a laboratory. Specifically they concluded that a segment of the "spike protein" that enables the virus to gain entry into human cells was constructed using techniques developed in the Wuhan lab that were described in a 2008 Chinese scientific paper. That was an indication, they argued, that the Chinese scientists were conducting "gain of function" research to see if the virus could infect humans.
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They briefed their counterparts, including one of Bannan's partners, an FBI agent with a Ph.D., on their initial findings. But in July 2021 they were instructed by a superior at the medical intelligence center not to continue sharing their work with the FBI, which they were told was "off the reservation," according to people familiar with the matter. That order was earlier reported by The Australian.
Nor were all of their proposed edits to the National Intelligence Council report accepted.
Hardham, Cutlip and Chretien also wrote an unclassified May 2020 paper that challenged the "proximal origin" assessment. They weren't allowed to circulate it outside of the medical intelligence center, but it leaked three years later and was entered into the record by Rep. Brad Wenstrup (R., Ohio) when he chaired a hearing on the pandemic for a House committee investigating the virus's origin.

Read the whole thing. It's a criminal cover up and full-on conspiracy, and the conspiracy is going to be exposed during Trump's second presidency.

Posted by: Ace at 12:26 PM

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1 I once heard that election interference is a high crime deserving of a life in prison.

More of a completely unrelated thought that couldn't be related to this topic at all.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 12:27 PM (4LF+x)

2 File this under no shit, Sherlock.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 27, 2024 12:27 PM (u73oe)

3 HI, Ace. Hope you had a great Christmas.

Posted by: Bulg at December 27, 2024 12:27 PM (v6JzV)

4 Sounds a lot like a new Amazon streaming movie plot.

A poorly written plot.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 27, 2024 12:28 PM (Q4IgG)

5 >>>3 HI, Ace. Hope you had a great Christmas.

I did, I hope you did too!

Posted by: ace at December 27, 2024 12:29 PM (KRtlO)

6 There was a 2021 leak from the DoD that said:

1) COVID came from Wuhan

2) IVM helped with COVID if given early

3) The clot shot did nothing positive in regards to COVID

So...they knew. Just about every senior person in Biden's government knew...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 12:29 PM (oZhjI)

7 It seems obvious the coordination had to be extensive.

No Life Insurance policy will pay out for a Bioweapon. Ever. But they did.

Same with an experimental, emergency vaccine cooked up at the last minute. No fucking way. But they do.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 27, 2024 12:30 PM (AC6Bk)

8 Where does that story about Fauci visiting CIA headquarters fit into all this?

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at December 27, 2024 12:30 PM (Dm8we)

9 Robert Cutlip? That guy finally got to the trouth of the matter.

Posted by: Bulg at December 27, 2024 12:30 PM (v6JzV)

10 Same with an experimental, emergency vaccine cooked up at the last minute. No fucking way. But they do.

The clot shot still only has an emergency authorization.

Amazing after 4 years isn't it?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 12:30 PM (oZhjI)

11 I did, I hope you did too!
Posted by: ace

Yes, it was very nice. One of the nicest ones I've had recently.

Posted by: Bulg at December 27, 2024 12:30 PM (v6JzV)

12 No, no, no!

The virus originated in a wet market, which purely coincidentally was located just a couple of hundred yards from the Wuhan Institute of Virology!

These things happen!

Posted by: The "Intelligence" Community! at December 27, 2024 12:31 PM (uxCna)

13 So the difference between "conspiracy theory" and "conventional wisdom" is now about four years?

Posted by: mikeski at December 27, 2024 12:31 PM (NSiec)

14 Didn't we already know all this? The only new info seems to be that the White House was kept out of the loop. Who really believes this? I don't.

This is almost certainly an attempt to whitewash Joey Shitbrains -- and Kumswala's -- active participation in the vicious lies and fascist response to Covid. Why? I'm not sure. But it's plainly an attempt to rehab their image.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 12:31 PM (iFTx/)

15 Furiously smashing the "Nothing Will Happen To Them" button here, Boss.

Posted by: Ghost of OrangeEnt Past at December 27, 2024 12:31 PM (0eaVi)

16 Looks like WSJ is having a big year end cleaning out of the skeleton closet.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 27, 2024 12:32 PM (dg+HA)

17 adjusts tinfoil hat to jaunty angle/

The CIA released the virus, in China to create plausible deniability.

Posted by: davidt at December 27, 2024 12:32 PM (i0F8b)

18 4 Sounds a lot like a new Amazon streaming movie plot.

A poorly written plot.

hallmark movie with a lonely chinese bat virus researcher totally not looking for romance

Posted by: anachronda at December 27, 2024 12:32 PM (IKg+A)

19 4 Sounds a lot like a new Amazon streaming movie plot.

A poorly written plot.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 27, 2024 12:28 PM (Q4IgG)
***

Hollyweird would laugh as such a script.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 27, 2024 12:33 PM (W/lyH)

20 You didn't need to be part of the "intelligence community" to track down the papers the Wuhan lab published about creating the virus! The evidence that it came from that lab was blatant and out there for the world to see, but anyone who pointed this out was branded as "racist".

Posted by: sanforth at December 27, 2024 12:33 PM (BudYP)

21 Fauci needs to be executed live on Network Television.

Posted by: XTC at December 27, 2024 12:33 PM (UnA8+)

22 > Didn't we already know all this?
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That the virus was man-made? Yes.

That the FBI was one step removed from the investigation? I dunno about that. I assumed they were in on it from day one.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 27, 2024 12:33 PM (Q4IgG)

23 Yet another outrage that will outrage no one because everyone who cares already knew. See also: Russia-gate, pee tape, Hunter, etc., etc, etc.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 27, 2024 12:33 PM (86uPL)

24 "It's a criminal cover up and full-on conspiracy, and the conspiracy is going to be exposed during Trump's second presidency."

No, it won't.

Posted by: Not Enough Lampposts at December 27, 2024 12:34 PM (TBFQi)

25 One thing that also needs to be investigated is the psyop that Iran and China ran against us.

Remember the early videos from Iran and China showing people collapsing on the street from the Death Virus?

That contributed a lot to the Covid hysteria in the Western World.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 27, 2024 12:34 PM (uxCna)

26 Thee is a documentary out called thank you Dr. Fauci

that covers a lot of this.

If you don't want to chase it down and watch it, Tucker Carlson interviewed Jenner Furst who created it (2 hours)

https://tinyurl.com/drheuucc

Posted by: Kindltot at December 27, 2024 12:34 PM (D7oie)

27 >Remember the early videos from Iran and China showing people collapsing on the street from the Death Virus?

Welding apartment doors shut.

Posted by: davidt at December 27, 2024 12:35 PM (i0F8b)

28 21 Fauci needs to be executed live on Network Television

We'll need about four days to ramp up production.

Posted by: Orville Redenbacher at December 27, 2024 12:35 PM (dg+HA)

29 >Remember the early videos from Iran and China showing people collapsing on the street from the Death Virus?

Hosing down the streets with bleach.

Posted by: davidt at December 27, 2024 12:36 PM (i0F8b)

30 That contributed a lot to the Covid hysteria in the Western World.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 27, 2024 12:34 PM (uxCna)

It was a bioweapon created in one of Fauci's labs, and developed further in china since it was "illegal" to do bioweapons research in the US since Obama

They freaked out because Fauci and his tame bioweapons researchers knew they would be lynched otherwise

Posted by: Kindltot at December 27, 2024 12:36 PM (D7oie)

31 You already get festive live virus. You go now!

Posted by: Chinese Scientist at December 27, 2024 12:36 PM (Ybyk2)

32 The scumbags in the government of course insist there was no problem whatsoever in not inviting the only dissident voices.
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There isn't. They know what those bastards are gonna say anyway.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 12:36 PM (HnUIn)

33 >>The first anecdote: The White House summoned the four "intelligence" agencies which claimed that there was a "low confidence" finding that covid had evolved naturally.

Just from a Logic and Reason standpoint, does it make more sense that a novel virus Coronavirus emerged from nature or the American Funded Chinese Lab working to create Novel Coronaviruses?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 27, 2024 12:36 PM (XV/Pl)

34 Sounds a lot like a new Amazon streaming movie plot.

A poorly written plot.

hallmark movie with a lonely chinese bat virus researcher totally not looking for romance
Posted by: anachronda at December 27, 2024 12:32 PM (IKg+A)
_______

She meets a studly dude in the wet market who has a job like restoring old grandfather clocks so kittens can play on them. She slips and falls in a vaguely comical meet-cute, and drops the vials of bat virus. The vials break and unleash hell on the world. The End.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 12:36 PM (iFTx/)

35 Deploying the hospital ships.

Posted by: Pepperridge Farms remembers at December 27, 2024 12:37 PM (dg+HA)

36 "You can't, like, create a virus, man."
-The entire establishment for, like 3 years

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 12:37 PM (4LF+x)

37 The DIA Inspector General launched an inquiry into whether this report was suppressed.

You can't read the findings of that IG report, because they're being suppressed.
++++
Fitting,

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 12:37 PM (HnUIn)

38 The first question that needs to be answered is why we were funding a lab such as this in the country of an adversary and more than likely a future enemy.

Posted by: RobertM at December 27, 2024 12:37 PM (btIS/)

39 the conspiracy is going to be exposed during Trump's second presidency.

STEINER WILL COME

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at December 27, 2024 12:37 PM (PAa7I)

40 I still don't understand why China kept mum through all this. Did they make so much money, that the international black eye was worth it?
Or did the payback by the Biteme admin make it worth it?

Posted by: MkY at December 27, 2024 12:38 PM (cPGH3)

41 Read the whole thing. It's a criminal cover up and full-on conspiracy, and the conspiracy is going to be exposed during Trump's second presidency.
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It's been exposed for years. All that's changed is the level of detail.

Further "exposure" is not needed or even particularly helpful. What's needed are consequences. Harsh, ruthless, public consequences.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 12:39 PM (HnUIn)

42 "moderately confident?

So, not a WAG (wild ass guess), merely a HAG (half- assed guess)?

Posted by: muldoon at December 27, 2024 12:39 PM (991eG)

43 Most of us knew this entire thing was an Op by the end of January of 2020.

If there is any justice, The Wood Chipper of Rectification will be going non-stop over the next four years.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 27, 2024 12:39 PM (XV/Pl)

44 Wuhan Institute of Virology.

It's right there in the name.

Gee, could the virus have come from that building over there were they engineer viruses?

No, you crazy conspiracy theorist! It came from a pangolin in the wet market across the street.

Oh, sure. That makes much more sense.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 27, 2024 12:40 PM (LkLld)

45
the conspiracy is going to be exposed during Trump's second presidency.

And then what?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 27, 2024 12:40 PM (63Dwl)

46 Fauci knew and paid for it

Posted by: Skip at December 27, 2024 12:40 PM (ltWSh)

47 Lot of U-hauls headed out of the country?

Posted by: jeff bogar at December 27, 2024 12:40 PM (iWXHo)

48 I still don't understand why China kept mum through all this.

Are you kidding? Why would China want to take responsibility for a world-wide pandemic that killed millions of people?

My favorite was when domestic flights were banned out of Wuhan, but international flights continued.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 27, 2024 12:40 PM (uxCna)

49 I still don't understand why China kept mum through all this. Did they make so much money, that the international black eye was worth it?
Or did the payback by the Biteme admin make it worth it?
Posted by: MkY at December 27, 2024 12:38 PM (cPGH3)
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They didn't keep mum. They were a big part of the coverup. They didn't do much on that front in this country, but they didn't need to because they had the US government doing it for them.

They did lots to deflect any perception of fault in other countries, including Australia. That failed - their coal embargo hurt China far more than it hurt Australia - but they tried.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 12:40 PM (HnUIn)

50 The scumbags in the government of course insist there was no problem whatsoever in not inviting the only dissident voices.
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There isn't. They know what those bastards are gonna say anyway.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 12:36 PM (HnUIn)
_____

This is exactly what the gov't has been doing for probably 100 years. For example: Every single nutritional "recommendation" ever made by the gov't has been the product of deliberately listening only to a select few voices -- almost always lobbyists for Big Food constituencies -- and excluding dissident voices. It's how you get food guidelines written by Big Agro.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 12:40 PM (iFTx/)

51 I still don't understand why China kept mum through all this. Did they make so much money, that the international black eye was worth it?
Or did the payback by the Biteme admin make it worth it?
Posted by: MkY at December 27, 2024 12:38 PM (cPGH3)

Simple. They shackled the actions of an enemy, and they don't care about the lives of their own people.

Posted by: Ghost of OrangeEnt Past at December 27, 2024 12:41 PM (0eaVi)

52 The IAs knew all that before Nov 2020, but no way were they going to release info that might harm their chinese paymasters, or possible benefit of a doubt, they themselves got no dough from Chyna but they didn't want to harm Biden's election chances.

Wasn't it only late fall 2021 that Biden ordered the clot shot for all federal workers and contractors? Might be the only time in my life I bucked authority on something significant, and at that I only wrote out a religious exemption case letter. I was not even opposed to the shot early on, if I wasn't a natural procrastinator I might have gotten one. But I was fully opposed to letting senile pervert Joe Biden dictate any health decision to/for me.

Posted by: PaleRider at December 27, 2024 12:41 PM (UKUm3)

53 The federal government is the biggest enemy of the American people.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at December 27, 2024 12:41 PM (17s+e)

54 Afternoon Ace.
I don't believe that the groups that committed the COVID cover-up and crackdown are going to "go quietly". Lawsuits and jail await, and the bureaucrats, scientists and drug companies don't want that or their power to be stripped. A nasty fight is coming

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 27, 2024 12:42 PM (URPU1)

55 Now that Trump's coterie is out in favor of importing cheap, middling labor via H1B visas, does that mean Mitt Romney's back on Team GOP?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 27, 2024 12:42 PM (YIxO9)

56 And then what?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 27, 2024 12:40 PM (63Dwl)

Then we dance!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 27, 2024 12:42 PM (CT61Q)

57 "Gain of Function" research is outlawed in the US. Does the wording include funding such?
Cause, if so, a whole lotta folks be going down.
The Little Gnome first, I hope.

Posted by: MkY at December 27, 2024 12:42 PM (cPGH3)

58 This makes Watergate looks like a popcorn fart in a hurricane. Is Robert Redford still alive to do a movie?

Posted by: Zombie Richard Nixon, Spinning At A Rapid Rate at December 27, 2024 12:42 PM (R/m4+)

59 Was it the CCP making demands of silence on this, or was it part of the Globalist Plan to destroy USA? Malfeasance and incompetence on a smaller level seems unlikely to me.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 27, 2024 12:43 PM (Cus5s)

60 They called it "quarantine" but what they really meant was "house arrest."

Posted by: Pepperidge Farms remembers at December 27, 2024 12:43 PM (dg+HA)

61 Covid? Meh. Trump's tariffs will kill us all, ya know? I was at a Xmas dinner on Wednesday. There were a few liberals there. Not lunatic leftists, and not intellectually stupid. But they have been brainwashed into a cult and believe the dumbest shit.

I put a deposit on a car in June. It won't be delivered until the summer (if I'm lucky). I was asked "do I have to pay the tariff?" I didn’t understand at first. I thought maybe he meant did I have to put down a deposit. I said yes. He said "no, the tariff." I was still like "what tariff?" He said "the tariff--you know, the Trump tariff."

It turns out he believed – like really believed – that in addition to sales tax, there would be another line item on the sale contract for "Trump Tariff." What he thought the amount of that tariff would be, I have no idea. I didn't know what to say to him.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 12:43 PM (iFTx/)

62 This is exactly what the gov't has been doing for probably 100 years. For example: Every single nutritional "recommendation" ever made by the gov't has been the product of deliberately listening only to a select few voices -- almost always lobbyists for Big Food constituencies -- and excluding dissident voices. It's how you get food guidelines written by Big Agro.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 12:40 PM (iFTx/)
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Which is why "Devils' Advocates" are a thing, and strong organizations institutionalize the practice. If everyone's agreeing, something is wrong and you should contrive an opponent even if it can only be an ersatz opponent.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 12:43 PM (HnUIn)

63 46 Fauci knew and paid for it
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Yes, and he was probably acting at the behest of the intelligence apparat. I wonder if that will ever be revealed.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 27, 2024 12:44 PM (paSBy)

64 The first question that needs to be answered is why we were funding a lab such as this in the country of an adversary and more than likely a future enemy.

The most innocuous answer I've seen put forward by Fauci's defenders is that the ban of GoF research in the US forced him to go abroad.

Of course there was a "scientific consensus" even in the Obama years GoF was too dangerous to be allowed and...they were right since again, best case argument is Fauci's COVID experiment leaked.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 12:44 PM (oZhjI)

65 This makes Watergate looks like a popcorn fart in a hurricane. Is Robert Redford still alive to do a movie?

He is alive, but his enormous wrinkles have become sentient, so he's very difficult to work with.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 27, 2024 12:44 PM (xCA6C)

66 61 It turns out he believed – like really believed – that in addition to sales tax, there would be another line item on the sale contract for "Trump Tariff." What he thought the amount of that tariff would be, I have no idea. I didn't know what to say to him.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 12:43 PM (iFTx/)

=======

"I signed the contract in June. Was Trump president in June?"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 12:44 PM (4LF+x)

67
"The Science" and his pals farmed out biological warfare agents' research to third world shitholes.

They all need to swing.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM)[/b at December 27, 2024 12:44 PM (xG4kz)

68 >>"Gain of Function" research is outlawed in the US. Does the wording include funding such?

That's why it wasn't done in the US. It was done in China using at least in part US tax dollars.

That's why they tried to cover it up.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 27, 2024 12:44 PM (LkLld)

69 41 It's been exposed for years. All that's changed is the level of detail. Further "exposure" is not needed or even particularly helpful. What's needed are consequences. Harsh, ruthless, public consequences.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

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Exactly. And it's annoying that outlets on the Right are parroting the 'spy agencies covered for China!' line. I mean, they did, but because they were covering for Fauci (who was permitting and funding Daszak, who was funding China for this). Yes, this is old news and we all know the truth, but the headline for the masses should be 'Spy agencies covered for Fauci's lies'... They're still protecting Fauci

Posted by: bearski at December 27, 2024 12:45 PM (Bhsk7)

70 The first question that needs to be answered is why we were funding a lab such as this in the country of an adversary and more than likely a future enemy.
Posted by: RobertM at December 27, 2024 12:37 PM (btIS/)

because it was illegal to do it in the US thanks to rules made by Obama.

Oh, you mean why? Because Fauci was the head of the bioweapons research program for the IC under the reorg due to the Patrot act and had so much power and funding that no one was able to say no.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 27, 2024 12:45 PM (D7oie)

71
I still don't understand why China kept mum through all this. Did they make so much money, that the international black eye was worth it?

________

Face

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 27, 2024 12:45 PM (dxSpM)

72 that's why it's called the Plandemic

Posted by: kallisto at December 27, 2024 12:45 PM (dCxaZ)

73 China kept mum because they wanted to get rid of President Trump almost as much as the uniparty did.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at December 27, 2024 12:45 PM (17s+e)

74 Let's get rid of Vivek.

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 12:45 PM (2NXcZ)

75 In an ideal world, the people behind this are packing up and leaving the country just ahead of a bloodthirsty mob.

Posted by: NR Pax at December 27, 2024 12:45 PM (NR6c1)

76 it doesn't matter because trump was trying to dismantle our democracy. the dems said so.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at December 27, 2024 12:47 PM (CWTWj)

77 And the Democrats Propaganda Ministry covered it up, blamed it on no one, made the country shut down without a question.

Posted by: Skip at December 27, 2024 12:47 PM (0Sv+K)

78 And what were the "intelligence agencies" telling Trump?

Posted by: steevy at December 27, 2024 12:47 PM (KQk9m)

79 75 In an ideal world, the people behind this are packing up and leaving the country just ahead of a bloodthirsty mob.
Posted by: NR Pax at December 27, 2024 12:45 PM (NR6c1)

No, in an ideal world, the mob catches them, and spills their blood.

Posted by: XTC at December 27, 2024 12:47 PM (UnA8+)

80 China could skirt around American laws (such that they are) that prohibited certain "gain of function" research.

Especially on viruses that could be manufactured to attack only certain individuals, races or ethnic groups. Not that SARs-CoV-19 could do that, but it was manufactured to infect people in a rather unique way and ended up being able to damage people genetically.

Lots of money to be made in designer bio-weapons that only target your pre-programmed population pool.

YMMV

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 27, 2024 12:47 PM (Q4IgG)

81 77 And the Democrats Propaganda Ministry covered it up, blamed it on no one, made the country shut down without a question.
Posted by: Skip at December 27, 2024 12:47 PM (0Sv+K)

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They blamed it on Trump.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 12:47 PM (4LF+x)

82 It turns out he believed – like really believed – that in addition to sales tax, there would be another line item on the sale contract for "Trump Tariff." What he thought the amount of that tariff would be, I have no idea. I didn't know what to say to him.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 12:43 PM (iFTx/)

=======

"I signed the contract in June. Was Trump president in June?"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 12:44 PM (4LF+x)
____________

I mentioned that Trump wasn't president yet and had no power to impose any tariffs at this time. No matter. Trump was going to impose Trump Tariffs and they were going to be collected as line items like sales tax.

I know that Democraps -- and too many GOP -- have no idea how tariffs work or even what they are, but this was the first I heard that they would be added to all purchases of foreign goods like an additional sales tax.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 12:48 PM (iFTx/)

83 It worked, didn't it?

Posted by: Zombie Harry Reid, democrat at December 27, 2024 12:48 PM (R/m4+)

84 wait, aren't plandemics those fruits that look like bananas?

Posted by: gnats local 678 at December 27, 2024 12:48 PM (CWTWj)

85 There’s also the little matter of the IS funding gain of function research at the Wutang Lab. They are lying to cover their asses about other lying to cover their asses. Which they were also lying about.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 27, 2024 12:48 PM (DUhkT)

86 82 I mentioned that Trump wasn't president yet and had no power to impose any tariffs at this time. No matter. Trump was going to impose Trump Tariffs and they were going to be collected as line items like sales tax.

I know that Democraps -- and too many GOP -- have no idea how tariffs work or even what they are, but this was the first I heard that they would be added to all purchases of foreign goods like an additional sales tax.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 12:48 PM (iFTx/)

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Do they get as mad when they find new tax line items on grocery bills like sin taxes?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 12:49 PM (4LF+x)

87 29 >Remember the early videos from Iran and China showing people collapsing on the street from the Death Virus?

Hosing down the streets with bleach.
Posted by: davidt at December 27, 2024 12:36 PM (i0F8b)

All theater

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 12:49 PM (2NXcZ)

88 I’m delighted the WSJ finally figured out what we all knew 4 years ago. Bravo, WSJ! Sarcasm off

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 27, 2024 12:49 PM (t3Itw)

89 The "Intelligence" Community Knew or Should Have Known Covid-19 Was Made in the Wuhan Lab
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Knew? They made it. I should hope they would know.

Posted by: ... at December 27, 2024 12:49 PM (VyqB4)

90 Nothing will happen.

Posted by: The person who doesn't ever think anything will happen at December 27, 2024 12:49 PM (dg+HA)

91 wait, aren't plandemics those fruits that look like bananas?

No, they're a variation on a Venn diagram.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 27, 2024 12:49 PM (xCA6C)

92 In an ideal world, the people behind this are packing up and leaving the country just ahead of a bloodthirsty mob.
Posted by: NR Pax at December 27, 2024 12:45 PM (NR6c1)

And have their private jets taken out by SAM'S right after take off.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 27, 2024 12:49 PM (jVIPs)

93 I'll ask more explicitly... the American law only says it cannot be done in the US? It does not say something along the lines of "...or cause such research?" Or "...fund such research?".
Important point.

Posted by: MkY at December 27, 2024 12:50 PM (cPGH3)

94 because it was illegal to do it in the US thanks to rules made by Obama.

And the Russian general who said that the United States was funding bioweapons research in Ukraine purely coincidentally was blown up in Moscow recently.

Funny how that works.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 27, 2024 12:50 PM (uxCna)

95 75 In an ideal world, the people behind this are packing up and leaving the country just ahead of a bloodthirsty mob.
Posted by: NR Pax at December 27, 2024 12:45 PM (NR6c1)

Nothing ideal about a successful escape. Why let them live to fight another day?

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 12:50 PM (2NXcZ)

96
because it was illegal to do it in the US thanks to rules made by Obama.

Obama made the rules and, unbelievably, kudos to him for doing so.

But the U.S. signed on the treaties that outlawed the use of biological weapons some decades ago. So why are we funding research in shithole countries to make such weapons? What moral and intellectual shortcomings prevent sentient beings from seeing the inherent conflict posed by these projects?

Again, I want to see some swinging on the part of these duplicitous people.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM)[/b at December 27, 2024 12:50 PM (xG4kz)

97 I remember Trump calling it the China Virus and being called racist and a liar

Posted by: It's me donna at December 27, 2024 12:50 PM (VE6XX)

98 Reading between the lines, I'd suggest this means either the FBI wasn't included on the original CIA covid plot, or wants to retain a semblance of deniability to try and rehabilitate their reputation.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 27, 2024 12:50 PM (fs1hN)

99 She meets a studly dude in the wet market who has a job like restoring old grandfather clocks so kittens can play on them. She slips and falls in a vaguely comical meet-cute, and drops the vials of bat virus. The vials break and unleash hell on the world. The End.

That's it? Nothing in there about 'raw dogging' the air or 'piledriving' oxygen into your lungs? I expect a bit more in my Hallmark drama.

Posted by: Nelly at December 27, 2024 12:50 PM (bcr4y)

100 It turns out he believed – like really believed – that in addition to sales tax, there would be another line item on the sale contract for "Trump Tariff." What he thought the amount of that tariff would be, I have no idea. I didn't know what to say to him.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 12:43 PM (iFTx/)
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Not usually. They could do do it as an excise tax, I guess.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 12:50 PM (HnUIn)

101 I didn't know what to say to him.
Posted by: Elric The Blade

I suppose something like "You're so lucky to get a job that hires the mentally disabled. Good for you!" might have caused problems.

Posted by: NR Pax at December 27, 2024 12:50 PM (NR6c1)

102 I used to think "Conspiracy theory" meant borderline insane people standing in front of a board, linking pictures with a maze of string.

Now I think -" So this is what the dems are up to this week."

Posted by: LASue at December 27, 2024 12:51 PM (lCppi)

103 Quarantine is for the infected. Not healthy people.

At almost every step, they did weird shit. Like a switch was thrown, naturally conferred lifetime immunity, a result of having contracted and recovered from a disease, was branded as some weird, novel idea. “Natural immunity? First I’ve heard of it.” was essentially Dr. Fauci’s response.

I had it (Wuhan Rou) in maybe March of 2020, long before any vaxx was a gleam in Pfizer’s balance sheet. 104 degree fever. Lasted for days and days. I asked here what should I do - “Go to the Hospital” was the advice.

Yeah …. No!

Posted by: Common Tater at December 27, 2024 12:51 PM (3hjQC)

104 I mentioned that Trump wasn't president yet and had no power to impose any tariffs at this time. No matter. Trump was going to impose Trump Tariffs and they were going to be collected as line items like sales tax.

I know that Democraps -- and too many GOP -- have no idea how tariffs work or even what they are, but this was the first I heard that they would be added to all purchases of foreign goods like an additional sales tax.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 12:48 PM (iFTx/)

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Do they get as mad when they find new tax line items on grocery bills like sin taxes?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 12:49 PM (4LF+x)
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Nah. They never met a tax they didn't like. Except for Trump Tariffs. Those are evil and will raise the price of guacamole. When you go to a Mexican restaurant in February, the bill will charge 7% for sales tax, 4% credit card fee, and 35% Trump Guacamole Tax.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 12:51 PM (iFTx/)

105 Not usually. They could do do it as an excise tax, I guess.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 12:50 PM (HnUIn)

That’s why I don’t go to the gym.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 27, 2024 12:51 PM (DUhkT)

106 It's a criminal cover up and full-on conspiracy, and the conspiracy is going to be exposed during Trump's second presidency.

It is though? Canada is about to elect a magnificent conservative, Pierre Poilievre, and El Donaldo is trying to recruit Wayne Gretzky instead.

Gretzky happened to be at Mar-A-Lago.

Posted by: Candidus at December 27, 2024 12:52 PM (7d6Js)

107 97 I remember Trump calling it the China Virus and being called racist and a liar
Posted by: It's me donna at December 27, 2024 12:50 PM (VE6XX)

I remember Xi stating quite clearly that the virus was brought in by the US DoD.

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 12:52 PM (2NXcZ)

108 Only two mentions of surprise/surprising is the article and ace saying he is not surprised.

Sounds about right and not surprising.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 27, 2024 12:52 PM (bss/y)

109 "they're a variation on a Venn diagram"

by ludwig ven beethoven

Posted by: gnats local 678 at December 27, 2024 12:52 PM (CWTWj)

110 104
Nah. They never met a tax they didn't like. Except for Trump Tariffs. Those are evil and will raise the price of guacamole. When you go to a Mexican restaurant in February, the bill will charge 7% for sales tax, 4% credit card fee, and 35% Trump Guacamole Tax.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 12:51 PM (iFTx/)

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Give them a new name. "Anti-American tarrifs."

They might like 'em then.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 12:52 PM (4LF+x)

111 I would kinda like them to bring back the one way arrow decals on the floor of grocery aisles. I think it would streamline traffic flow through the store.

Posted by: But that's just me at December 27, 2024 12:52 PM (dg+HA)

112 I still don't understand why China kept mum through all this.

They tried to pin the blame on some American athlete.

Posted by: Bulg at December 27, 2024 12:53 PM (v6JzV)

113 Remember the early videos from Iran and China showing people collapsing on the street from the Death Virus?
Hosing down the streets with bleach.
Posted by: davidt at December 27, 2024 12:36 PM (i0F8b)
All theater
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 12:49 PM (2NXcZ)

The semi-trucks in lower Manhattan to haul away all the dead bodies. Straight out of Hollywood.

Posted by: Hollis P. Wood at December 27, 2024 12:53 PM (R/m4+)

114
An investigation has been conducted.

Certain deviations were identified.

Remedial measures are being carried out.

This matter is closed.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 27, 2024 12:53 PM (dxSpM)

115 The first question that needs to be answered is why we were funding a lab such as this in the country of an adversary and more than likely a future enemy.
Posted by: RobertM at December 27, 2024 12:37 PM (btIS/)
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Because of what it was and what they were doing. There is never a reason for any government to finance scientific exploration in a foreign country in the general sense. It *can* possibly make sense in a specific joint venture, but never in the general. That's any foreign country, much less a rival or an adversary. If the results will not be owned by - and benefit of it conferred upon the people of - the country paying for it, it should not be done.

But this whole thing is dishonest. Why were we paying for Wuhan? Because it was a laundromat. Not a money laundry, but a regulatory laundry. What we were financing to have done there was illegal in the United States because it is stupid, reckless, dangerous and of only extremely loose and vague hypothetical value.

So we paid them to do it. That's all.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 12:54 PM (HnUIn)

116 There was a 2021 leak from the DoD that said:

1) COVID came from Wuhan

2) IVM helped with COVID if given early

3) The clot shot did nothing positive in regards to COVID

So...they knew. Just about every senior person in Biden's government knew...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 12:29 PM (oZhjI)

And yet. And YET!!!! They needlessly put millions at risk of heart and other problems by forcing kids and others not at risk to get the shot, or risk losing their jobs, ability to go to school, and hope of a social life.

Posted by: LASue at December 27, 2024 12:54 PM (lCppi)

117 I'm so naïve I used to think there would be some kind of accountability over the whole rotten Covid scam.

Posted by: Max Power at December 27, 2024 12:54 PM (q177U)

118 And all the governments jumped all over Chinese Lung AIDS like a dog on a dropped piece of bacon. As a pretext to do all of the wonderful ideas they always have had, but never had the justification.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 27, 2024 12:54 PM (bss/y)

119 Anthony Fauci was the highest paid employee of the federal government. More than the POTUS.

After 9/11 and the subsequent anthrax attacks Dick Cheney was tasked with reorganizing our bioweapons defense effort which was spread out in various departments throughout the government. He put Anthony Fauci in charge.

Fauci was always a big believer in gain of function research claiming it would help scientists engineer defenses against man made bioweapons. When GOF was made illegal in the US he and his cutouts looked for overseas partners.

Fun fact. Hunter Biden's company Rosemont Seneca was an investor in a company that tracked virus spreads in places like China and Ukraine. Metabiota. Unexpectedly, the company got some big, juicy government contracts.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 27, 2024 12:54 PM (LkLld)

120 How is it usually written? "Known to authorities". Why? Because the culprits work for the authorities.

Posted by: t-bird at December 27, 2024 12:54 PM (qL8Uu)

121 I suspect the virus was made at either Johns Hopkins or Duke as both were part of Gates 201.

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 12:54 PM (2NXcZ)

122 My brother came by. He took my elderly mother to the hospital which I'm grateful for.

Hollered at me for a bit. Said he was tired of hearing about Mom in pain during those 5 minute a day calls and the 30 minute visits on Wednesday bowling nights.

Because I'm only with her 24 - 7.

I'm honestly so tired, I'm just resting. This is my first rest in years.

Posted by: Stateless at December 27, 2024 12:54 PM (jvJvP)

123 Nah. They never met a tax they didn't like. Except for Trump Tariffs. Those are evil and will raise the price of guacamole. When you go to a Mexican restaurant in February, the bill will charge 7% for sales tax, 4% credit card fee, and 35% Trump Guacamole Tax.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 12:51 PM (iFTx/)

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Give them a new name. "Anti-American tarrifs."

They might like 'em then.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 12:52 PM (4LF+x)
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Well, tariffs were evil when imposed by Trump during his first presidency. Biden could have removed them, but he didn't. He kept these tariffs in place. We didn't hear about how evil tariffs were for 4 years. Now suddenly, they're evil again. What changed? I dunno, I'm drawing a blank.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 12:55 PM (iFTx/)

124 And yet. And YET!!!! They needlessly put millions at risk of heart and other problems by forcing kids and others not at risk to get the shot, or risk losing their jobs, ability to go to school, and hope of a social life.
Posted by: LASue at December 27, 2024 12:54 PM (lCppi)

Not needless to the WEF crowd.

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 12:55 PM (2NXcZ)

125 China used it as a pretext as much or more than anyone. Remember all the Hong Kong unrest just before Chinese Lung AIDS? No?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 27, 2024 12:55 PM (bss/y)

126 This is basically like the continually chicken f**king the origins of the Steele Dossier, we know the origins, we know who is responsible, what we want is a cadre of politicians, scientists and doctors chucked feet first into Wood Chippers.

Anything less is masturbation.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 27, 2024 12:55 PM (XV/Pl)

127 Morning.

Wow. This whole government "of, by and for the people" thing seems to have gone a bit pear shaped, hasn't it?

Posted by: Robert at December 27, 2024 12:55 PM (4kk5d)

128 Conspiracy theory is just a term for the truth.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at December 27, 2024 12:56 PM (17s+e)

129 China used it as a pretext as much or more than anyone. Remember all the Hong Kong unrest just before Chinese Lung AIDS? No?
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Yeah, those sure went away fast.

Posted by: Bulg at December 27, 2024 12:56 PM (v6JzV)

130 Our government had to cover up for China, because otherwise the Chinese would have said “but Fauci and your NIH were the ones who hired us to do it!!!”

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 27, 2024 12:56 PM (CT61Q)

131 I'm honestly so tired, I'm just resting. This is my first rest in years.
Posted by: Stateless at December 27, 2024 12:54 PM (jvJvP)

That's a tough situation.. I will say a prayer for you and your Mom

Posted by: It's me donna at December 27, 2024 12:56 PM (VE6XX)

132 And some people are still wearing masks.

Posted by: Go figure at December 27, 2024 12:57 PM (dg+HA)

133 130 Our government had to cover up for China, because otherwise the Chinese would have said “but Fauci and your NIH were the ones who hired us to do it!!!”
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 27, 2024 12:56 PM (CT61Q)

Xi did. Then the story was buried and WuFlu became racist.

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 12:57 PM (2NXcZ)

134 I had it (Wuhan Rou) in maybe March of 2020, long before any vaxx was a gleam in Pfizer’s balance sheet. 104 degree fever. Lasted for days and days. I asked here what should I do - “Go to the Hospital” was the advice.

Best way to spread it to other people before they stick you on a vent and give you Midazolam for your, uh, end of life care

Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 12:57 PM (oZhjI)

135 Well, tariffs were evil when imposed by Trump during his first presidency. Biden could have removed them, but he didn't. He kept these tariffs in place. We didn't hear about how evil tariffs were for 4 years. Now suddenly, they're evil again. What changed? I dunno, I'm drawing a blank.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 12:55 PM (iFTx/)
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Yup. The press was pretty loud when they ignored the fact that Biden not only kept Trump's China tariffs in place, his administration expanded a couple of them.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 12:57 PM (HnUIn)

136 😷😷😷💉💉💉

Posted by: redridinghood at December 27, 2024 12:57 PM (NpAcC)

137 73 China kept mum because they wanted to get rid of President Trump almost as much as the uniparty did.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable

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Yep. Trump was bringing China to it's knees for leeching off the US, and nobody in the world had forced accountability on China since they started growing into the power they are now. It was no coincidence that the plague that hobbled the US and led to voting system changes to enable voluminous fraud needed to get rid of Trump started from the same place Trump had brought to it's knees... That the uniparty deep state also gravely threatened by Trump had also been fueling the development of that plague in China was the bow on this monstrous irony. "There are no coincidences.. Only the illusion of coincidence."

Posted by: bearski at December 27, 2024 12:58 PM (Bhsk7)

138 "The Wuhan Red Death."

Posted by: Stuff Chris Plante sez at December 27, 2024 12:58 PM (dg+HA)

139 I believe the official Chinese statement on COVID is that the US government released it there.

Now...the fact that they didn't actually DO anything in response to that tells you it isn't true but why would they make this specific claim unless...they were working with the US government and this was a way to blame the US that they knew the US wouldn't counter?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 12:58 PM (oZhjI)

140 135 Yup. The press was pretty loud when they ignored the fact that Biden not only kept Trump's China tariffs in place, his administration expanded a couple of them.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 12:57 PM (HnUIn)

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Every time Biden would threaten or expand a tariff, we'd have a small field day of mockery.

And the left never noticed.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 12:58 PM (4LF+x)

141 Safer. Apart.

I fucking hate these people.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 27, 2024 12:58 PM (bss/y)

142 China used it as a pretext as much or more than anyone. Remember all the Hong Kong unrest just before Chinese Lung AIDS? No?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 27, 2024 12:55 PM (bss/y)

China Is Asshoe!

Posted by: Hong Kong Man, Never Seen Again at December 27, 2024 12:59 PM (R/m4+)

143 Why are these facts coming out now, with Trump and his team coming in soon?

Are some in government trying to get out in front of the terrible findings soon to come, sorta pretending to be whistleblowers, after staying silent under the Junta? Are they building some sort of "limited hangout" for themselves? idk ...

Posted by: illiniwek at December 27, 2024 12:59 PM (Cus5s)

144 other problems

A nice local dive bar stopped serving a free lunch.
Well, they did!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at December 27, 2024 12:59 PM (PAa7I)

145 Spy bosses ‘silenced’ Defense Department, FBI scientists from briefing Biden on COVID lab leak evidence

Among their damning findings:

- The COVID virus contained a feature allowing for easier transmission to humans that was constructed in a manner similar to that described in a years-old Chinese study
- A Chinese military researcher applied for a patent for a COVID-19 vaccine just weeks after the virus was first sequenced in 2020. (He later died after falling from the infamous Wuhan Institute of Virology’s roof, according to US investigators.)
- WIV researchers worked with US researchers who trained them to construct viruses without leaving a trace of them being engineered.

Rather than amplifying these findings, they were all but ignored as Director of National Intelligence (and Coyote-like Super Genius) Avril Haines was preparing her report on COVID origins — which Biden ordered in May 2021.

.. lets make these "Spy bosses" into "former Spy bosses"

Posted by: SMOD at December 27, 2024 01:00 PM (RHGPo)

146 Boy. Were us conspiracy theorists ever right.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 27, 2024 01:00 PM (eZwyX)

147 Five years ago today (2019), I sat down for my morning constitutional and out of nowhere coughed up something heinous. Within a day I had a consistent deep cough, couldn't smell or taste, and within two days I had a fever and fatigue. I never sought medical help and let it run its course. After the initial attack, it took about a month for the cough to clear up. I was later assured by Top Men as well as my own Peruvian medical doctor that it would have been impossible for me to have had COVID and even so, natural immunity would last only months. I donated blood in mid 2020 and was told indeed, I had antibodies.

The sooner you realize the institutions in this country hate you and wish you broken, dispirited, and dead, the more comfortable you will become seeking vengeance.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 27, 2024 01:00 PM (YIxO9)

148 Prediction. At some point we are going to learn that other viruses we were told came from monkeys, birds, guys having sex with monkeys and birds, were actually lab leaks.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 27, 2024 01:00 PM (LkLld)

149 the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency

Pentagon...defense...intelligence...

I do not think they understand the meanings of defense or intelligence...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 27, 2024 01:00 PM (ynpvh)

150 This Brownstone Institute story provides the full documentation of how the intel agencies, State, DOJ/FBI, media and tech censored all of these stories, and more. Just an incredible document: https://shorturl.at/5NsF3

Posted by: Candidus at December 27, 2024 01:00 PM (7d6Js)

151 Bats: "It was the damn pangolins!"

Pangolins: "It was the damn bats!"

Posted by: Bulg at December 27, 2024 01:01 PM (v6JzV)

152 148 Prediction. At some point we are going to learn that other viruses we were told came from monkeys, birds, guys having sex with monkeys and birds, were actually lab leaks.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 27, 2024 01:00 PM (LkLld)

...of guys having sex with monkeys and birds...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 27, 2024 01:01 PM (ynpvh)

153 Obama made the rules and, unbelievably, kudos to him for doing so.
——

Oh, you sweet summer child …

Posted by: Common Tater at December 27, 2024 01:01 PM (Touuh)

154 151 Bats: "It was the damn pangolins!"

Pangolins: "It was the damn bats!"

Posted by: Bulg at December 27, 2024 01:01 PM (v6JzV)

Don't look at us!

Posted by: Sea Kraits at December 27, 2024 01:01 PM (ynpvh)

155 This is about us, isn't it?

Posted by: Guys having sex with monkeys and birds at December 27, 2024 01:02 PM (dg+HA)

156 Are some in government trying to get out in front of the terrible findings soon to come, sorta pretending to be whistleblowers, after staying silent under the Junta? Are they building some sort of "limited hangout" for themselves? idk ...
Posted by: illiniwek at December 27, 2024 12:59 PM (Cus5s)

I'd say the former. Fake whistleblowers. I want to see Fauci, Birx, Walensky and the whole crew go down hard.

I say this not just as someone who hated the whole farce, but as someone who watched friends bury healthy, athletic young adult kids who took the vax and "died suddenly".

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 01:02 PM (2NXcZ)

157 Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 01:02 PM (2NXcZ)

Crimes against humanity and Nuremberg 2.0.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 27, 2024 01:03 PM (eZwyX)

158 156 Are some in government trying to get out in front of the terrible findings soon to come, sorta pretending to be whistleblowers, after staying silent under the Junta? Are they building some sort of "limited hangout" for themselves? idk ...
Posted by: illiniwek at December 27, 2024 12:59 PM (Cus5s)

I'd say the former. Fake whistleblowers. I want to see Fauci, Birx, Walensky and the whole crew go down hard.

I say this not just as someone who hated the whole farce, but as someone who watched friends bury healthy, athletic young adult kids who took the vax and "died suddenly".

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 01:02 PM (2NXcZ)

I suggest cages with sand flies...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 27, 2024 01:03 PM (ynpvh)

159 It's also like how all the justifications for all the Covid restrictions have still not been released. Except as a weak "oppsie."

Recall the pissy bitches county judges etc. telling us to sit down and shut up 'cause "we didn't know what they knew?"

Massive, billion dollar losses imposed on businesses.
Egregious, over-excessive violation and abuses of Constitutional rights.
Laws, regulations, rules and procedures all trampled with no oversight, no debate, no restriction.

Not one dissenting voice was allowed.

And the courts--all of them--hearing this, seeing this, those self-described "last defenders of freedoms," twiddled with their limp puds and mumbled as they ran away from every lawsuit.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 27, 2024 01:03 PM (k16hl)

160 If there is a human I detest more than Anthony Fauci they don’t come to mind. That person doesn’t exist…. Poisonous little gnome toad…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 27, 2024 01:03 PM (t3Itw)

161 If Pinocchio ran the Intelligence Agencies:

Scene: Congressional Committee

You can’t lie. So tell me puppet… Where did COVID start?

PINOCCHIO: Well, I don’t know where it didn't start.

You’re telling me you don’t know where COVID started?

PINOCCHIO: It wouldn’t be inaccurate to assume that I couldn’t exactly not say that is or isn’t almost partially incorrect.

So you DO know where COVID started.

PINOCCHIO: On the contrary, I’m possibly more or less, not definitely rejecting the idea, that in no way, with any amount of uncertainty that I undeniably do or do not know where COVID shouldn’t probably have started. If that indeed wasn’t where it didn't start. Even if it didn’t start where I knew it did start could mean that I wouldn’t completely not know where he didn't start.

Posted by: muldoon at December 27, 2024 01:03 PM (991eG)

162 As I alluded to, don't forget the legions of imported doctors who served as willing executioners.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 27, 2024 01:03 PM (YIxO9)

163 Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 27, 2024 01:03 PM (k16hl)

A lot of people were cowards and folded.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 27, 2024 01:04 PM (eZwyX)

164 And the courts--all of them--hearing this, seeing this, those self-described "last defenders of freedoms," twiddled with their limp puds and mumbled as they ran away from every lawsuit.

A couple of lefties opined on this that our Constitutional freedoms wouldn't allow the government to do what the government "needed" to do to "protect us" from COVID so..."fuck your freedoms"

Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:04 PM (oZhjI)

165 Space Geek Alert!!!!

I mentioned earlier that it looks like Blue Origin's New Glenn is tanking now for a possible hot fire that was promised last week:

https://youtu.be/Jm8wRjD3xVA

Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 27, 2024 01:04 PM (QB+5g)

166 148 Prediction. At some point we are going to learn that other viruses we were told came from monkeys, birds, guys having sex with monkeys and birds, were actually lab leaks.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 27, 2024 01:00 PM (LkLld)

To be fair, flu is zoonotic. It dips in between the animal and human population and because of the various strains and their combinations, a predominant strain can be either of greater or lesser mortality.

The Spanish flu of 1917 is probably the best example of this- and that is before people were doing too much stupid shit (aside from WWI.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 27, 2024 01:04 PM (bss/y)

167 In a normal world Gates would have been either thoroughly investigated over his Event 201 or lauded as a Nostradamus. Neither happened and the info stayed out of the press.

Forget the bats and the pangolins and the wet market. It was a joint venture of the US and CCP.

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 01:05 PM (2NXcZ)

168 The sooner you realize the institutions in this country hate you and wish you broken, dispirited, and dead, the more comfortable you will become seeking vengeance.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie

The lovely Mrs. had a similar experience with some of her, now fired, medical professionals. You know, the "No, you couldn't have had the Wuflu at that point."

But she did. Thank God she resisted the jab.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 27, 2024 01:05 PM (WXNFJ)

169 Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN PURPORTED "CONSPIRACY" ISN'T 100% TRUE!!@%#&%!!!

Posted by: zombie at December 27, 2024 01:06 PM (pMi6S)

170 It was an open secret that anyone that bucked their hospital/health care company's COVID mandates would be fired and prosecuted.

This is one of the problems with the centralization of health care that has been happening over the last decade or so (thanks to Obamacare in part). Want an independent doctor that puts your care first? Good luck finding one...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:06 PM (oZhjI)

171
Was that wrong?
Should we not have done that?

Posted by: Guys having sex with monkeys and birds at December 27, 2024 01:07 PM (dg+HA)

172 >> Prediction. At some point we are going to learn that other viruses we were told came from monkeys, birds, guys having sex with monkeys and birds, were actually lab leaks.

Lyme Disease is certainly one that was man-made/released

Posted by: garrett at December 27, 2024 01:07 PM (j6KoD)

173 Note well:
These were the official White House meetings.

But what about the thousands of meetings Biden took off-the-record at his beach house?
Where he spent 4 or more days every f'ing week for the last four years?

Every senior White House staffer from the last 4 years needs indicted on multiple death-penalty felonies--they were the ring-leaders in all this.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 27, 2024 01:07 PM (k16hl)

174 You didn't like my dancing nurses video during COVID?

And your didn't care for my admonishment of you for not wearing your mask while maintaining a 6-foot space between you and other people so you don't kill grandma?

Huh...

Posted by: Trump's nominee for Surgeon General at December 27, 2024 01:08 PM (Y1sOo)

175 170 This is one of the problems with the centralization of health care that has been happening over the last decade or so (thanks to Obamacare in part). Want an independent doctor that puts your care first? Good luck finding one...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:06 PM (oZhjI)

======

They can't accept insurance or Medicaid or Medicare payments.

But they're also subject to massive regulatory rules and open to malpractice lawsuits.

Better to work for a corporation who will accept that burden.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 01:08 PM (4LF+x)

176
To be fair, flu is zoonotic. It dips in between the animal and human population and because of the various strains and their combinations, a predominant strain can be either of greater or lesser mortality.

One thing to note here though - almost all modern flus come from China because of the way they handle farm animals.

That doesn't mean the flu would disappear if we blockaded China or forced them to use more sanitary farming techniques but it would significantly reduce the number of flus and their severity

Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:08 PM (oZhjI)

177
Besides the videos of people collapsing in the streets in China, and being welded inside their apartment buildings, there were crematorium stories. Reports of a giant anomalous cloud of sulfur dioxide detected by satellite over the city of Wuhan, that allegedly could only have come from mass cremation. A story about demand for urns outrunning supply. Isolation camps constructed. Speculation that this was all either pure psyop BS, or possibly cover for a mass political purge of Chinese who did not have their minds right.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 27, 2024 01:08 PM (Ijbq0)

178 But yeah, it took a lab full of biologists and an agency full of "analysts" to determine what every single American with half a brain knew from Day One. Top Men.

Posted by: zombie at December 27, 2024 01:08 PM (pMi6S)

179 Was that wrong?
Should we not have done that?
Posted by: Guys having sex with monkeys and birds

Love is love

Posted by: Tuna at December 27, 2024 01:08 PM (oaGWv)

180 "Social distancing."

Posted by: Ha! at December 27, 2024 01:09 PM (dg+HA)

181 >>possibly cover for a mass political purge of Chinese who did not have their minds right.

100% Possible.

Posted by: garrett at December 27, 2024 01:09 PM (j6KoD)

182 And your didn't care for my admonishment of you for not wearing your mask while maintaining a 6-foot space between you and other people so you don't kill grandma?

I remember remarking at the time that one of the simplest things the government could do in regards to lock downs and "saving" granny was to cordon off elder care facilities - spend some of the billions they did to build sleeping quarters for the staff and massive pay increases so that the staff wasn't constantly spreading COVID (or the flu or any other bug) through the facilities.

But instead northern governors intentionally send COVID patients into elder care facilities to kill them

Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:10 PM (oZhjI)

183 Really, the only question is not whether it was developed in the Wuhan lab, but whether the release was INTENTIONAL or not. THAT's the $64,000 question.

Bio-weapon intended to decimate the West?

Or the ultimate own-goal in the history of science, worse than Chernobyl?

Posted by: zombie at December 27, 2024 01:10 PM (pMi6S)

184 Sounds like more misinformation 🤣

Posted by: Plainoldtoast at December 27, 2024 01:10 PM (sfzk5)

185 People forget about the problems China was having in the lead up to Covid. There were 6-10 months of 'Unrest' stories coming out of Wuhan Province.

Posted by: garrett at December 27, 2024 01:11 PM (j6KoD)

186 The Hong Kong flu epidemic in 1969 was long rumored to be an escaped virus from a lab. That one was pretty bad.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 27, 2024 01:11 PM (VlVje)

187 In the Netflix movie about this, all the good guys will be black women.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at December 27, 2024 01:11 PM (KiBMU)

188 Actually, it was good for business.

Posted by: Plexiglass manufacturers everywhere at December 27, 2024 01:11 PM (dg+HA)

189 The coverup of the lab leak of a harmful engineered virus is a Mutually Assured Political Destruction Coverup run by the US and China. If the US Government declares the COVID-19 bug is an engineered virus that escaped or was released on purpose from a ChiCom lab, the ChiCom Government will display the receipts showing the US Government paid for the virus engineering work.

Posted by: Gref at December 27, 2024 01:12 PM (aBgBM)

190 Lyme Disease is certainly one that was man-made/released
Posted by: garrett at December 27, 2024 01:07 PM (j6KoD)

there is some questioning about where the 1916 NYC polio outbreak came from, and there is suspicions that it may have originated from the research being done at the Rockafeller Institute at that time.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 27, 2024 01:12 PM (D7oie)

191 >>To be fair, flu is zoonotic. It dips in between the animal and human population and because of the various strains and their combinations, a predominant strain can be either of greater or lesser mortality.

Sure. I'm not saying all came from a lab. But more than we think now.

I forget the various security classifications for research labs but GOF stuff is supposed to be done in lab with the highest level of security for just this reason. Anyone who has ever spent any time in China won't be surprised to learn the Wuhan lab was not close to the level of security required to do this kind of work. Because China.

And there are labs like this all over the world including in the war zone formerly known as Ukraine. We were opening one in Kazakhstan before Vlad decided to end that color revolution.

We know about Wuhan because it was such a major worldwide event that people starting digging into things. How many others have we not bothered looking into?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 27, 2024 01:12 PM (LkLld)

192 185 People forget about the problems China was having in the lead up to Covid. There were 6-10 months of 'Unrest' stories coming out of Wuhan Province.
Posted by: garrett at December 27, 2024 01:11 PM (j6KoD)

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Yeah, it was obvious that China was using covid as an excuse to clamp down on unrest and opposition.

Why did China do it? It wasn't to help the deep state in America. The deep state in America is China's puppet, not the other way around. China did it because it allowed Xi to consolidate power again.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 01:12 PM (4LF+x)

193 I know where COVID came from. A seldom-used stockroom above a bar south of Flagstaff.

There once was a barmaid named Mona
Who worked at a club in Sedona
She went up the stair
To see what was there
And came down with a case of Corona!

Posted by: muldoon at December 27, 2024 01:12 PM (991eG)

194 The Hong Kong flu epidemic in 1969 was long rumored to be an escaped virus from a lab. That one was pretty bad.
Posted by: Common Tater

I remember that one vividly. It was nasty.

Posted by: Tuna at December 27, 2024 01:12 PM (oaGWv)

195 Really, the only question is not whether it was developed in the Wuhan lab, but whether the release was INTENTIONAL or not. THAT's the $64,000 question.

Bio-weapon intended to decimate the West?

As a bio-weapon it is actually pretty terrible - it only kills the elderly and the morbidly obese? These are the people you want a war enemy to have to continue to take care of...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:13 PM (oZhjI)

196 Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:10 PM (oZhjI

Still a bad idea, the amount of cruelty I saw by isolating elderly patients is something I wont forget

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 27, 2024 01:13 PM (eZwyX)

197 Besides the videos of people collapsing in the streets in China, and being welded inside their apartment buildings, there were crematorium stories. Reports of a giant anomalous cloud of sulfur dioxide detected by satellite over the city of Wuhan, that allegedly could only have come from mass cremation. A story about demand for urns outrunning supply. Isolation camps constructed. Speculation that this was all either pure psyop BS, or possibly cover for a mass political purge of Chinese who did not have their minds right.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 27, 2024 01:08 PM (Ijbq0)
_______

We were assured that mass cremations of dead from Covid was happening right here in our own cities. That shitfuck Allapundit was pimping obviously bullshitty reports that Manhattan hospitals had freezer trucks lined up outside because the hospital morgue was overwhelmed with covid deaths.

I live in Manhattan. You know what I did? I drove to a few hospitals to see for myself. Far from overflowing with patients and the dead, they were dead and empty. When I reported this first-hand account on the HotAir comments, I was ridiculed and called a liar.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 01:13 PM (iFTx/)

198 CORONA

https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=Cgv522f5wfU

Posted by: MINUTEMEN at December 27, 2024 01:14 PM (j6KoD)

199 >>Lyme Disease is certainly one that was man-made/released

Plum Island Animal Disease Center.

Hannibal made a good decision turning that deal down.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 27, 2024 01:14 PM (LkLld)

200 This busty brunette knows a thing or two about cleaning, and is happy to help Trump clean up the bureaus:
http://tiny.cc/iu53001

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 01:14 PM (HnUIn)

201 Rumor at the time, WuHan was the result of lab animals discarded improperly. They were being consumed by the locals as food.

Once it got out - well, it’s a big shit sandwich - and errybody gotta take a bite.

I enjoyed all the “experts” claiming it will be no big deal in the US, and no cause for alarm. I knew it would be a dumpster fire like none ever seen.

Wonder why nobody trusts the press nor government? It’s a Mystery. And “for our own good” I’m quite certain.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 27, 2024 01:15 PM (VlVje)

202 Posted by: Kindltot at December 27, 2024 01:12 PM (D7oie)

The Rockerfellers. The family that keeps on giving.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 27, 2024 01:15 PM (eZwyX)

203 186 The Hong Kong flu
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Great. Now I have the Hong Kong Phooey theme song stuck in my head.

Posted by: scampydog at December 27, 2024 01:15 PM (2bFN5)

204 192 185 People forget about the problems China was having in the lead up to Covid. There were 6-10 months of 'Unrest' stories coming out of Wuhan Province.
Posted by: garrett at December 27, 2024 01:11 PM (j6KoD)

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Yeah, it was obvious that China was using covid as an excuse to clamp down on unrest and opposition.

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Then we should expect an especially contagious strain of Ebola any time now, as unrest in China is growing fast

Posted by: SMOD at December 27, 2024 01:16 PM (RHGPo)

205 Anyone else recall how the NIH and the media went after Didier Raoult for suggesting that HCQ and Ivermectin might work against the wuflu? He was pilloried, called a charlatan and a plagiarist (he did not credit himself when using a table he used in a previous article) and pushed into retirement. The brilliant US researchers gave HCQ to people close to death and it wasn't a success (Raoult said to use it early on) so he was a fraud and Pfizer and Moderna were allowed to force their vax on us and get very rich.

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 01:16 PM (2NXcZ)

206 204 Then we should expect an especially contagious strain of Ebola any time now, as unrest in China is growing fast
Posted by: SMOD at December 27, 2024 01:16 PM (RHGPo)

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Wouldn't surprise me.

What would surprise me would be American compliance again.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 01:17 PM (4LF+x)

207 Or the ultimate own-goal in the history of science, worse than Chernobyl?
Posted by: zombie at December 27, 2024 01:10 PM (pMi6S)

We don't know that because we do not know actual stats from China. I certainly would not believe a fucking word from them.

Over here, mortality was actually quite low. That was one of the things about it, people were acting like this was Black Death 2.0 and yet I did not see 30% casualties- but people were acting like it even with evidence right in front of their eyes.

It was all 'My grandparents are saying a lot of their friends are dying' or 'My brothers sister's cousin's roommate said...' I am not saying people did not die from it, but the severity and size of the crisis was artificially inflated all to fuck.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 27, 2024 01:17 PM (bss/y)

208 http://tiny.cc/iu53001
Wedding ring?
WNB!

Posted by: But I'm old fashioned at December 27, 2024 01:17 PM (dg+HA)

209 >>> 196 Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:10 PM (oZhjI

Still a bad idea, the amount of cruelty I saw by isolating elderly patients is something I wont forget
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 27, 2024 01:13 PM (eZwyX)

"cruelty", not the humorous Ace kind, was quite the theme of the Fauci Follies. No, I won't be forgetting this shit or any of its proponents for a very long time.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 27, 2024 01:17 PM (YTktQ)

210 August 2021? Covering this crap up for 2 years? And if these assholes had just let things run their natural course, it would have been over, done, and forgotten by 2021.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at December 27, 2024 01:17 PM (69cHI)

211 Actually, it was good for business.
Posted by: Plexiglass
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Tell us about it.

Posted by: Big Face Diaper at December 27, 2024 01:17 PM (XeU6L)

212 >>Plum Island Animal Disease Center

Operation: Paperclip

Posted by: garrett at December 27, 2024 01:17 PM (j6KoD)

213 Our Lying Eyes: New Photo Shows Biden With Hunter's Business Associates Despite Past Denials

The House has released records showing $27 million in payments from foreign sources to Hunter Biden and his business partners from 2014 to 2019.

Posted by: SMOD at December 27, 2024 01:18 PM (RHGPo)

214 Actually, it was good for business.
Posted by: Plexiglass
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We're still cashing in.

Posted by: Big Hand Sanitizer at December 27, 2024 01:18 PM (XeU6L)

215 Still a bad idea, the amount of cruelty I saw by isolating elderly patients is something I wont forget
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 27, 2024 01:13 PM (eZwyX)

This. Uncle Kenny.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 27, 2024 01:18 PM (bss/y)

216 Great. Now I have the Hong Kong Phooey theme song stuck in my head.
Posted by: scampydog at December 27, 2024 01:15 PM

Fanriffic!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 27, 2024 01:19 PM (Wnv9h)

217 People forget about the problems China was having in the lead up to Covid. There were 6-10 months of 'Unrest' stories coming out of Wuhan Province.
Posted by: garrett at December 27, 2024 01:11 PM (j6KoD)

=======

Yeah, it was obvious that China was using covid as an excuse to clamp down on unrest and opposition.

Why did China do it? It wasn't to help the deep state in America. The deep state in America is China's puppet, not the other way around. China did it because it allowed Xi to consolidate power again.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 01:12 PM (4LF+x)
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I'm sure also that the "right" people in China made yuge bank off the "crisis," just as they did here in America. Dogshit companies worth nothing but owned by big Democrap donors were suddenly worth billions because they had a mask contract. Leftwing oligarchs consolidated power by helping force people indoors and captive to their products and services, etc.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 01:19 PM (iFTx/)

218 >>Still a bad idea, the amount of cruelty I saw by isolating elderly patients is something I wont forget

Cuomo was Harvesting Estates.

Posted by: garrett at December 27, 2024 01:19 PM (j6KoD)

219 It turns out he believed – like really believed – that in addition to sales tax, there would be another line item on the sale contract for "Trump Tariff." What he thought the amount of that tariff would be, I have no idea. I didn't know what to say to him.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 12:43 PM (iFTx/)

My patience with such Lefty-aligned fools is exhausted. I think I would have had some fun, and asked this person to explain how Donald Trump had imposed a tariff since he wasn't even POTUS. I would have then asked if he were still listening to people that had lied to him about Joe Biden's mental acuity?

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at December 27, 2024 01:19 PM (pJWtt)

220 Mark Zuckerberg Denies Hawaii 'Doomsday Bunker' Existence, Calls It A "Little Shelter”

"...is there something you know that we don't?"

Posted by: SMOD at December 27, 2024 01:20 PM (RHGPo)

221 ... The brilliant US researchers gave HCQ to people close to death and it wasn't a success (Raoult said to use it early on) so he was a fraud and Pfizer and Moderna were allowed to force their vax on us and get very rich.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 01:16 PM (2NXcZ)
++++
Not just US. Lots of research in many countries made this same mistake, which means it wasn't a mistake. Tremendous numbers of studies into anything non-vax involved only people on death's door, not early on when intervention would have worked. Once it gets too far, nothing helps. Early intervention was always key (and COVID isn't special in that regard), but the studies were primarily on people very close to the end. The result was assured before the studies were run.

This was going to be the great victory of modern pharmaceutical science. It would be a revolutionary new vaccine and *NOTHING* else was permitted to be discussed. The entire Western institutional complex had monomania on the topic of the vaccine. A treatment that worked would interfere with the goal, so no such treatments were possible.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 01:20 PM (HnUIn)

222 217 I'm sure also that the "right" people in China made yuge bank off the "crisis," just as they did here in America. Dogshit companies worth nothing but owned by big Democrap donors were suddenly worth billions because they had a mask contract. Leftwing oligarchs consolidated power by helping force people indoors and captive to their products and services, etc.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 01:19 PM (iFTx/)
=
=====

And then American diplomats had to get anal cavity tested by Chinese officials for their pleasure.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 01:20 PM (4LF+x)

223 That's a tough situation.. I will say a prayer for you and your Mom
Posted by: It's me donna at December 27, 2024 12:56 PM (VE6XX)

Thanks. Morons are the best.

Honestly, I'm just resting today.
Feels amazing.

Posted by: Stateless at December 27, 2024 01:20 PM (jvJvP)

224 "the ChiCom Government will display the receipts showing the US Government paid for the virus engineering work."

That fact has been pried out of the record by people investigating the whole topic, already. One of the aspects of the scandal - that despite a prohibition on GOF research funding, various perps in the biomed field were off-shoring and trying to conceal such financial involvement.

Hong Kong flu? I don't think almost any of the tools or even understanding for engineering viruses that exist today existed back then.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 27, 2024 01:20 PM (1m82a)

225 210 August 2021? Covering this crap up for 2 years? And if these assholes had just let things run their natural course, it would have been over, done, and forgotten by 2021.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at December 27, 2024 01:17 PM (69cHI
It was over, the election was over, American citizens were in the gulag, and President Trump was being brutally lawyered.

Posted by: Eromero at December 27, 2024 01:20 PM (jgmnb)

226 Twilight Zone: CDC to Look at Adverse Reactions From Covid Shots???

https://tinyurl.com/twn3bw7b

Posted by: redridinghood at December 27, 2024 01:20 PM (NpAcC)

227 "cruelty", not the humorous Ace kind, was quite the theme of the Fauci Follies. No, I won't be forgetting this shit or any of its proponents for a very long time.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 27, 2024 01:17 PM (YTktQ)
++++
There is a undercurrent in everything nowadays. Lots of bad traits and bad behaviors and bad ambitions, but they increasingly share a common theme: not cruelty, but sadism.

Sadism is the defining characteristic of the current era.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 01:21 PM (HnUIn)

228 All of this illustrates that there can be no “let bygones be bygones” with these covid psychos.

They wanted us fired, locked in camps and overall our lives ruined.

No, there needs to be a reckoning.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 27, 2024 01:22 PM (eZwyX)

229 I Did This

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 27, 2024 01:22 PM (RHGPo)

230 The CDC has no credibility.

Posted by: Fuhghetanoutit at December 27, 2024 01:22 PM (dg+HA)

231 221. It was a WEF goal and Schwab was pleased by the high level of compliance. Yes, the EU went along with it and India pretended it was not heavily using ivermectin.

The whole thing is unforgivable.

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 01:22 PM (2NXcZ)

232 >>> 170 It was an open secret that anyone that bucked their hospital/health care company's COVID mandates would be fired and prosecuted.

This is one of the problems with the centralization of health care that has been happening over the last decade or so (thanks to Obamacare in part). Want an independent doctor that puts your care first? Good luck finding one...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:06 PM (oZhjI)

The same medical boards that threaten to yank licenses for prescribing "horse paste" or any other deviation from the CDC BS, have been just *fine* with tranny Mengele docs for *decades*.

... and "centralization" is hardly limited to medical practice.

Good thing we have antitrust laws!!!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 27, 2024 01:23 PM (YTktQ)

233 Who thinks Trump is going to expose any Swamp critter conspiracy?
Covid? UFO's? Epstein client list? Biden's China 🇨🇳 treason? JFK? THE BILLIONS IN GREEN ENERGY LEGISLATION THEFT?
I'm not buying it. He will only get to move forward a little bit but no reaching back.

Posted by: torabora at December 27, 2024 01:24 PM (9gcdx)

234 I don't think it's a coincidence that Trump announced the US will be leaving the WHO immediately after he takes office.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 27, 2024 01:24 PM (LkLld)

235 "cruelty", not the humorous Ace kind, was quite the theme of the Fauci Follies. No, I won't be forgetting this shit or any of its proponents for a very long time.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 27, 2024 01:17 PM (YTktQ)
++++
There is a undercurrent in everything nowadays. Lots of bad traits and bad behaviors and bad ambitions, but they increasingly share a common theme: not cruelty, but sadism.

Sadism is the defining characteristic of the current era.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 01:21 PM (HnUIn)
_______

And sodomy. Don't forget sodomy!

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 01:24 PM (iFTx/)

236 No, there needs to be a reckoning.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 27, 2024 01:22 PM (eZwyX)

Agreed.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 27, 2024 01:25 PM (bss/y)

237 A few days ago, our friend Stephen McIntyre, one of the original Russiagate investigators, sent a tweet to revisit a question that many of us have pondered for years but which has never been fully resolved. As a result, we finally now have the answer. That is because, in response to McIntyre’s tweet, the key figure has come forward to confirm what many of us have suspected all along.

McIntyre's tweet highlighted that, according to the FBI, it was Australian diplomat Alexander Downer who initiated the inception of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation. However, the narratives surrounding this event differ significantly between Downer's account in Special Counsel John Durham’s report and the FBI's version. Downer has now stepped forward to affirm Durham's version with a three-word tweet: “Durham is right”. This development carries substantial implications for the entire Russiagate saga, particularly regarding its fraudulent origins.

Posted by: Barney the Dinosaur at December 27, 2024 01:25 PM (RHGPo)

238 It turns out he believed – like really believed – that in addition to sales tax, there would be another line item on the sale contract for "Trump Tariff."
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But the 50% Biden Inflation Tax from the last 4 years is just great!
Easy to afford!
Not a crushing burden on anyone at all!

You may suffer these assholes for personal reasons.
But in the general, I am so f'ing tired of their stupidity, lies and stupid lies.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 27, 2024 01:25 PM (k16hl)

239 Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 01:22 PM (2NXcZ)

Yup.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 27, 2024 01:25 PM (eZwyX)

240 “Gain of Function” is a lot less high-tech than might be supposed. It doesn’t require all the hollywood movie accoutrements and accessories.

Large groups of animals are exposed, infected, and then accelerated infection of another large group of critters, perhaps another species. They “ping pong” this infection back and forth over and over, looking for interesting mutations.

The process repeated with the improved mutation. It is basically what happens in nature, only accelerated or forced.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 27, 2024 01:25 PM (VlVje)

241 Six foot social distancing was bs picked out of thin air. Masks were crap , viruses are too small. Natural species to species jump was a lie. mRNA provided immunity was crap on theory they were at best therapeutic. A pandemic of the unvaccinated was crap as even if vaxxed you could spread it. Every thing about this was bs. No way in hell will that many lies lead to a good outcome

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 27, 2024 01:25 PM (URPU1)

242 234 I don't think it's a coincidence that Trump announced the US will be leaving the WHO immediately after he takes office.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 27, 2024 01:24 PM (LkLld)

Gates can fund the whole mess now, until he's prosecuted and all his American oligarch cash confiscated for reparations. If it works for Russian oligarchs....

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 01:25 PM (2NXcZ)

243 I live in Manhattan. You know what I did? I drove to a few hospitals to see for myself. Far from overflowing with patients and the dead, they were dead and empty. When I reported this first-hand account on the HotAir comments, I was ridiculed and called a liar.

There were endless reports of overflowing hospitals - and I remember someone finally did actual reporting and found out they mostly came from one doctor. Or I should say "doctor" as she was actually a vet.

And yes then people went to their local hospitals that had been reported as full and found they were not...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:25 PM (oZhjI)

244 Again, HCQ and Ivermectin didn't just come out of nowhere, they have long been eyed as candidates for general purpose antiviral prophylactics, billions of does are used every year in the third world to fight malaria and other maladies.

Fauchi is on tape singing their praises.

Again, a very large cadre of people need to be chucked feet first into a wood chipper for what they perpetrated on the world.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 27, 2024 01:25 PM (XV/Pl)

245 238 But the 50% Biden Inflation Tax from the last 4 years is just great!
Easy to afford!
Not a crushing burden on anyone at all!

You may suffer these assholes for personal reasons.
But in the general, I am so f'ing tired of their stupidity, lies and stupid lies.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 27, 2024 01:25 PM (k16hl)

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Inflation is a myth created by Fox News. It didn't happen, and Biden fixed it with the Inflation Reduction Act which stopped inflation.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 01:26 PM (4LF+x)

246 Government is a machine to launder tax money.

Posted by: torabora at December 27, 2024 01:26 PM (9gcdx)

247 Posted by: torabora at December 27, 2024 01:24 PM (9gcdx)

I hope you’re wrong. Trump and most of his team has to understand how important it is to come clean on all this.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 27, 2024 01:26 PM (eZwyX)

248 It's really in the best interest of everyone to just move forward.

Posted by: National Education Association at December 27, 2024 01:27 PM (PKKgH)

249 243 There were endless reports of overflowing hospitals - and I remember someone finally did actual reporting and found out they mostly came from one doctor. Or I should say "doctor" as she was actually a vet.

And yes then people went to their local hospitals that had been reported as full and found they were not...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:25 PM (oZhjI)

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I lived in Charleston at the time, and I had to drive around a bunch (moving time). Passed by several hospitals many times. Parking lots were, maybe, half-full. You know, normal.

Of course, what was really happening was hospitals, which need 85% capacity just to stay solvent, were reporting...normal numbers and the media was...misrepresenting what was being reported.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 01:27 PM (4LF+x)

250 Government is a machine to launder tax money.

and anything else they do is incidental...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:27 PM (oZhjI)

251 HCQ and Ivermectin didn't just come out of nowhere

My father and I got into an argument over that. He used the "horse dewormer" garbage remark and I pointed out just how long it had been in existence as a human medicine.

Posted by: NR Pax at December 27, 2024 01:27 PM (NR6c1)

252 Don't you see? We have to create dangerous viruses so we can come with the vaccines!

Posted by: Bill Gates at December 27, 2024 01:27 PM (c6hLR)

253
I hope you’re wrong. Trump and most of his team has to understand how important it is to come clean on all this.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 27, 2024 01:26 PM (eZwyX)

Nuremberg 2.0

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 01:28 PM (2NXcZ)

254 Breaking: The CIA just realized that AIDS and crack were both conspiracies too.

Posted by: ... at December 27, 2024 01:28 PM (VyqB4)

255 Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 01:25 PM (2NXcZ)

Let’s drop Bill Gates in an African country he’s experimented on and let the people do with him what they will.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 27, 2024 01:28 PM (eZwyX)

256 There were endless reports of overflowing hospitals - and I remember someone finally did actual reporting and found out they mostly came from one doctor. Or I should say "doctor" as she was actually a vet.

And yes then people went to their local hospitals that had been reported as full and found they were not...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:25 PM (oZhjI)
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But long queues and serious delays in treatment. The hospitals did, at first blush, look full. You couldn't get into one and got to wait outside in the cold.

Nevermind that they often *weren't* full, just being held in reserve for the surge in COVID patients that thankfully didn't come.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 01:28 PM (HnUIn)

257 Inflation is a myth created by Fox News. It didn't happen, and Biden fixed it with the Inflation Reduction Act which stopped inflation.

All are true at the same time comrade:

1) There is no inflation and anyone that says there is in fact inflation is a racist

2) Of course there is inflation and it is that damn Trump's fault

3) Of course there is inflation and it is a sign the economy has recovered, really you should be thanking Joe

Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:29 PM (oZhjI)

258 I live in Manhattan. You know what I did? I drove to a few hospitals to see for myself. Far from overflowing with patients and the dead, they were dead and empty. When I reported this first-hand account on the HotAir comments, I was ridiculed and called a liar.

There were endless reports of overflowing hospitals - and I remember someone finally did actual reporting and found out they mostly came from one doctor. Or I should say "doctor" as she was actually a vet.

And yes then people went to their local hospitals that had been reported as full and found they were not...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:25 PM (oZhjI)
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Yes. There was one hospital in Brooklyn that was overwhelmed. But it's always overwhelmed. It's a public hospital; serving mostly poorer patients (and illegals up the wazoo, I'm sure); is chronically underfunded; and is too small for the community.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 01:29 PM (iFTx/)

259 gain, a very large cadre of people need to be chucked feet first into a wood chipper for what they perpetrated on the world.

The nice thing about sharks while thrashing about in deep water is that you don't know when that first bite is coming.

Just sayin'...

Posted by: t-bird at December 27, 2024 01:30 PM (1dUol)

260 From the distant past (2020) I recall real scientists saying something like ... "the virus COULD have come from animals, but to develop this far would have taken maybe 100 years, not a few years".

Also something about a section of the DNA containing a segment uses by researchers in the development of viruses. It was like a marker of evidence that is was created by scientists, not random.

I'm guessing/hoping there are not enough hammers and shredders and BleachBits to destroy all this evidence.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 27, 2024 01:30 PM (Cus5s)

261 Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 27, 2024 01:25 PM (URPU1)

All of it was a lie. Thank God people stood up, risked everything and said “nah we’re done with this shit.”

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 27, 2024 01:30 PM (eZwyX)

262 Also, this wasn't a "bioweapon." It was just carelessness and stupidity. As Thunderf00t has pointed out, viruses are a terrible vector for an engineered bioweapon because they mutate too quickly, and generally in the direction of less lethality.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at December 27, 2024 01:30 PM (69cHI)

263 But long queues and serious delays in treatment.

One other thing that COVID did is make people think this is normal...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:30 PM (oZhjI)

264 And sodomy. Don't forget sodomy!
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 01:24 PM (iFTx/)
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*sigh*

Posted by: Rum and The Lash at December 27, 2024 01:30 PM (6K6Eu)

265 That fact has been pried out of the record by people investigating the whole topic, already. One of the aspects of the scandal - that despite a prohibition on GOF research funding, various perps in the biomed field were off-shoring and trying to conceal such financial involvement.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 27, 2024 01:20 PM (1m82a)

We've blown past "the wording was imprecise" and "the laws haven't caught up with the tech" and are now in full-on Cartman territory: "WHAT-EVAH! AH DO WHAT AH WANT!"

Posted by: pookysgirl might have been influenced by South Park a bit at December 27, 2024 01:30 PM (dtlDP)

266 So the FBI were "good guys" for once. Yay?

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at December 27, 2024 01:30 PM (lg881)

267 Of course, what was really happening was hospitals, which need 85% capacity just to stay solvent, were reporting...normal numbers and the media was...misrepresenting what was being reported.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 01:27 PM (4LF+x)
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That, too, yes.

Hospitals are a lot like the hotel business: they live and die on occupancy. Nobody builds lots of beds they don't need, because down that road lies bankruptcy.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 01:30 PM (HnUIn)

268 Nevermind that they often *weren't* full, just being held in reserve for the surge in COVID patients that thankfully didn't come.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 01:28 PM (HnUIn)

And that US ship that handled maybe 6 patients.

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 01:30 PM (2NXcZ)

269 257 All are true at the same time comrade:

1) There is no inflation and anyone that says there is in fact inflation is a racist

2) Of course there is inflation and it is that damn Trump's fault

3) Of course there is inflation and it is a sign the economy has recovered, really you should be thanking Joe
Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:29 PM (oZhjI)

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4) Inflation was transitory and Biden fixed it. Prices have returned to normal.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 01:30 PM (4LF+x)

270 Yes. There was one hospital in Brooklyn that was overwhelmed. But it's always overwhelmed. It's a public hospital; serving mostly poorer patients (and illegals up the wazoo, I'm sure); is chronically underfunded; and is too small for the community.

The last time I went to the ER, prior to COVID, it was me, one other American who had been in a car accident and the whole rest of the ER was overfull of illegals detoxing from various things

Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:31 PM (oZhjI)

271 267 That, too, yes.

Hospitals are a lot like the hotel business: they live and die on occupancy. Nobody builds lots of beds they don't need, because down that road lies bankruptcy.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 01:30 PM (HnUIn)

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I wonder if over-regulation has something to do with high operating costs of hospitals...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 01:31 PM (4LF+x)

272 And just a few days ago, wasn't the "Republican" Speaker trying to ram through a bill that would have helped them cover this up and avoid accountability?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 27, 2024 01:31 PM (k16hl)

273 I didn't check the thread...

but remember when the CDC endorsed Gloryhole Sex for Covid Mitigation?

Good times.

Posted by: garrett at December 27, 2024 01:31 PM (j6KoD)

274 Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at December 27, 2024 01:30 PM (69cHI)

The clot shots was the bioweapon.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at December 27, 2024 01:31 PM (eZwyX)

275 The present Democrat administration has consistently ignored and lied to native populations about their empathy for their interests. As a recent example, a lithium mine in Thacker Pass, Nevada is being developed in great haste. Regulations and environmental interests were ignored to get the mine into development, particularly the fact that Thacker Pass is an Indian burial ground. Indian protests and interests were totally ignored. The present administration did not heed, in the least, valid Indian concerns for the preservation of Indian remains. Such are the concerns of the Democrats now in power for the rights and interests of minorities.

Posted by: Barney the Dinosaur at December 27, 2024 01:31 PM (RHGPo)

276 Yes. There was one hospital in Brooklyn that was overwhelmed. But it's always overwhelmed. It's a public hospital; serving mostly poorer patients (and illegals up the wazoo, I'm sure); is chronically underfunded; and is too small for the community.

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I think I saw that in Bringing Out the Dead.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 01:32 PM (4LF+x)

277 And that US ship that handled maybe 6 patients.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 01:30 PM (2NXcZ)
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That was retarded. The field hospitals and ships were all earmarked for non-COVID patients, not COVID patients. They weren't used for quarantine, but for the regular hospitals - the ones with loads of equipment and general applicability - to be used for COVID patients. Struck me as backward and still does.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 01:32 PM (HnUIn)

278 262 Also, this wasn't a "bioweapon." It was just carelessness and stupidity. As Thunderf00t has pointed out, viruses are a terrible vector for an engineered bioweapon because they mutate too quickly, and generally in the direction of less lethality.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at December 27, 2024 01:30 PM (69cHI)

Well, if you wanted something to kill off enough people to cause a worldwide panic, which you could then use to control people and completely change their behavior and expectations of autonomy, it's not a bad one.

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at December 27, 2024 01:32 PM (lg881)

279

I wonder if over-regulation has something to do with high operating costs of hospitals...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 01:31 PM (4LF+x)

Free care for illegals, EMTALA.

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 01:32 PM (2NXcZ)

280 but remember when the CDC endorsed Gloryhole Sex for Covid Mitigation?

Yeah and on this my wife said that in fact she does not trust the science

Posted by: Some Husband at December 27, 2024 01:32 PM (oZhjI)

281
The Hong Kong flu epidemic in 1969 was long rumored to be an escaped virus from a lab. That one was pretty bad.
Posted by: Common Tater

Woodstock Flu

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 27, 2024 01:32 PM (63Dwl)

282 It WAS a bioweapon.

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 01:33 PM (2NXcZ)

283 I did, I hope you did too!
Posted by: ace
........

Your present is in the tip jar.

Posted by: wth at December 27, 2024 01:33 PM (v0R5T)

284 270 -- Yep. ER is just primary care for illegals. Assholes...

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at December 27, 2024 01:33 PM (69cHI)

285 OT: Critical Drinker video on Nosferatu.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 27, 2024 01:33 PM (bss/y)

286 148 Prediction. At some point we are going to learn that other viruses we were told came from monkeys, birds, guys having sex with monkeys and birds, were actually lab leaks.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 27, 2024 01:00 PM (LkLld)

The duce you say…

Posted by: Lyme Disease at December 27, 2024 01:33 PM (TTAGa)

287 just a few days ago, wasn't the "Republican" Speaker trying to ram through a bill that would have helped them cover this up and avoid accountability?
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice

Yes, and the D's and RINO's bought it. It worked perfectly.

Posted by: t-bird at December 27, 2024 01:33 PM (1dUol)

288 224 "the ChiCom Government will display the receipts showing the US Government paid for the virus engineering work."

That fact has been pried out of the record by people investigating the whole topic, already. One of the aspects of the scandal - that despite a prohibition on GOF research funding, various perps in the biomed field were off-shoring and trying to conceal such financial involvement.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 27, 2024 01:20 PM (1m82a)

Congress has the evidence of NIH funding GOF work in general in the Wuhan Lab. AFAIK, no direct evidence has been uncovered and released, proving the specific work that resulted in the COVID-19 bug was funded by US Govt funds and was directed or managed by the Fauci-Daszak cabal. Those are links the Chinese could prove, unless they are surveillance, intel, and fake document production idiots.

Posted by: Gref at December 27, 2024 01:34 PM (aBgBM)

289 Of course covid was a bioweapon, and they’ll roll out another when they think the time is right.

Posted by: Eromero at December 27, 2024 01:34 PM (jgmnb)

290 I wonder if over-regulation has something to do with high operating costs of hospitals...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 27, 2024 01:31 PM (4LF+x)

And schools were not closed, masks were not worn, and people still had gatherings without being locked up or thrown to the ground by black shirted cops.

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 01:34 PM (2NXcZ)

291 Remember when Trump sent the military hospital ship to NYC?
And it sat empty in the harbor?
Because the hospitals were so, so overwhelmed with Covid patients?
Until they finally sent 2-3 people to the ship that could treat thousands?
And they deliberately sent Covid patients, despite instructions not to, making the ship useless for non-Covid patients?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 27, 2024 01:34 PM (k16hl)

292 Re earlier in thread:

Government COULD have passed legislation to cover the life insurance payouts...or even some set $ amt...because life insurance doesn't cover civilians killed by warfare by biological attack.

OR it was a Chinese tort that killed a million Americans.

But that would have put us in conflict with China and Congress would be forced to declare war, lawfare, economic or kinetic.

Posted by: torabora at December 27, 2024 01:34 PM (9gcdx)

293 >The first anecdote: The White House summoned the four "intelligence" agencies which claimed that there was a "low confidence" finding that covid had evolved naturally.
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Just from a Logic and Reason standpoint, does it make more sense that a novel virus Coronavirus emerged from nature or the American Funded Chinese Lab working to create Novel Coronaviruses?
Posted by: Thomas Bender

Sorry for the math. 51 - 4 = 47. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 47 INTELLIGENCE AGENCY EXPERTS?

Posted by: BifBewalski at December 27, 2024 01:34 PM (MsrgL)

294 Sorry for the math. 51 - 4 = 47. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 47 INTELLIGENCE AGENCY EXPERTS?
Posted by: BifBewalski at December 27, 2024 01:34 PM (MsrgL)
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They were down with the program.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 01:35 PM (HnUIn)

295 But that analysis was at odds with the assessment of their parent agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency, and wasn't incorporated in the report presented to Biden.

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What did DogEater know, and when did he know it?

/rhetorical

Posted by: ShainS -- President-Elect Musk will appoint Vivek to Speaker Of The House! at December 27, 2024 01:35 PM (LPGG8)

296 And that US ship that handled maybe 6 patients.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 01:30 PM (2NXcZ)
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That was retarded. The field hospitals and ships were all earmarked for non-COVID patients, not COVID patients. They weren't used for quarantine, but for the regular hospitals - the ones with loads of equipment and general applicability - to be used for COVID patients. Struck me as backward and still does.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 01:32 PM (HnUIn)
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That charity (Good Samaritan?) also set up that massive facility in Central Park across from Mount Sinai on the upper east side. Hundreds of beds. I drove past there almost every day. Was totally dead. I don't think it ever had even one patient.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 01:35 PM (iFTx/)

297 280 but remember when the CDC endorsed Gloryhole Sex for Covid Mitigation?

Yeah and on this my wife said that in fact she does not trust the science
Posted by: Some Husband at December 27, 2024 01:32 PM (oZhjI)

MY wife loves science, sexually. Plus, she lets me watch.

Posted by: David French at December 27, 2024 01:36 PM (bss/y)

298 And they deliberately sent Covid patients, despite instructions not to, making the ship useless for non-Covid patients?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice

That was the symbolic reach around that sold me on 'it's an op'.

Posted by: BifBewalski at December 27, 2024 01:36 PM (MsrgL)

299 Here’s my theory. Prove me wrong.

The “2019 World Military Games” were held from 18-27 October, 2019. The “World Military Games” is an Olympic style competition with over 9,000 participants representing 109 countries.

Where was the “2019 World Military Games” held, you ask? Wuhan, China!!! What better way to test the effectiveness of a new, laboratory created virus than unleash it on thousands of top-shape military athletes. Coincidentally, the first cases of this mysterious new virus appeared in the fall of 2019, but no one knew what it was.

It would be interesting to know what the incidence of COVID was for those attending the 2019 World Military Games.

Bottom line, COVID was created in the Wuhan lab and deliberately released on the world. First to military athletes, then the world. The CCP was probably hoping these 9,000+ athletes would take it home and infect the military forces of the 109 countries involved. What better way to disable military forces around the globe.

Posted by: A-10 at December 27, 2024 01:36 PM (nl4I0)

300 285 OT: Critical Drinker video on Nosferatu.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 27, 2024 01:33 PM (bss/y)

Might help to post the link:

https://tinyurl.com/3ppj7hee

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 27, 2024 01:37 PM (bss/y)

301 I want so much revenge.

I'll work the wood chippers.

But today, resting.
Sweet.

Posted by: Stateless at December 27, 2024 01:37 PM (jvJvP)

302 This was going to be the great victory of modern pharmaceutical science. It would be a revolutionary new vaccine and *NOTHING* else was permitted to be discussed. The entire Western institutional complex had monomania on the topic of the vaccine. A treatment that worked would interfere with the goal, so no such treatments were possible.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Yep. But was the backlash against the medical community at large worth it? The widespread respect that heath providers held at that time is now gone forever.

Was the takeover of free elections the ultimate goal? Did they discount the possible repercussions if they failed?

Help me out here. I am a simple man.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 27, 2024 01:37 PM (WXNFJ)

303 Sadism is the defining characteristic of the current era.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 01:21 PM (HnUIn)
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And sodomy. Don't forget sodomy!
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 01:24 PM (iFTx/)

I watched a recording of one of Venerable Arbp. Fulton Sheen's Life is Worth Living TV broadcasts this morning. Even though Arbp. Sheen had given this broadcast in the late 1960s, he could just as easily given it this morning.

He stated that the principles of the modern revolutionary was Elitism (a shadowy cadre knows what it best), Mysticism ("my way or nothing"), and Satanism.

What we are seeing is the Spiritual Conflict coming to an inflection point. Mutilating the genitals of children, encouraging pederasty, and abortion on-demand has nothing to do with economic models.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at December 27, 2024 01:37 PM (pJWtt)

304 That charity (Good Samaritan?) also set up that massive facility in Central Park across from Mount Sinai on the upper east side. Hundreds of beds. I drove past there almost every day. Was totally dead. I don't think it ever had even one patient.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 27, 2024 01:35 PM (iFTx/)
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Thankfully, yes. I don't even view that - or the Army field hospitals and the Navy ships we deployed - as a bad thing. It was *early* and the "worst case scenario" was that medical facilities were going to be overwhelmed in 10-21 days. We moved *fast* against the possibility, and did a good job of it. In retrospect, it was money and effort wasted in what looked like a boondoggle, but we didn't know that at the time and I still think it was the right thing to do and we shouldn't hesitate to do it again.

But it did strike as backwards that all of those overflow facilities were explicitly for *non*-COVID patients only.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 01:37 PM (HnUIn)

305 Much better view of the New Glenn WDR/SF just started here:

https://youtu.be/KlqD_PqFDvg

Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 27, 2024 01:37 PM (QB+5g)

306 I wonder if over-regulation has something to do with high operating costs of hospitals...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison

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Nah, it's just greed.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at December 27, 2024 01:38 PM (8AONa)

307 What better way to disable military forces around the globe.
Posted by: A-10 at December 27, 2024 01:36 PM (nl4I0)

Elect Obama or Joe Biden?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 27, 2024 01:38 PM (bss/y)

308 Need more ventilators!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 27, 2024 01:38 PM (63Dwl)

309 One funny bit about the mask crap - it was pointed out again and again by study after study that masks don't work. Which...the FNM wouldn't talk about.

Then suddenly they got a study that said they do work and that's literally all they talked about.

If you actually drilled into the study though you found out they compared a school district that did "learn from home" combined with a mask mandate for the few workers that were in the school with a school that had moved back to "learn from school" so all its employees were in the school and had no mask mandate

Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:38 PM (oZhjI)

310 Yep. But was the backlash against the medical community at large worth it? The widespread respect that heath providers held at that time is now gone forever
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Yes. Skepticism against our "experts" is part of a healthy society. The Left elevated experts so high they hit the sun and fell to earth. Fuck them.

Posted by: ... at December 27, 2024 01:38 PM (VyqB4)

311 "Government is a machine to launder tax money."

A question is whether the grift is 10% of total, or 50%, or more?

10% is high, but there is a cumulative effect of a few 10%s, along with a lot of inefficiency from hiring the biggest briber, not the most competent. Then there is a lot of work tat doesn't need to be done (bridge to nowhere, research on gay fruit flies (or whatever). Then there are the Solyndra type frauds and other such scams. (MIC, education, public unions)

Posted by: illiniwek at December 27, 2024 01:39 PM (Cus5s)

312 278 -- Only because they ignored a hundred years of epidemiological experience and practice. And wanted to make a shit ton of money. But it's virtually impossible to engineer a virus to attack a specific race, sex, demograghic, etc. Can you fuck around and accidentally create one that's temporary lethal? Sure.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at December 27, 2024 01:39 PM (69cHI)

313 So, is it safe to call the the "Kung Flu" ?

Posted by: Barney the Dinosaur at December 27, 2024 01:39 PM (RHGPo)

314 Let's see...one month into the Covid scare (Feb 2020) a Chinese scientist filed for a patent on a Covid vaccine (who also happened to work for the People's Liberation Army) did a header off the roof of the Wuhan Laboratory.

US Intelligence Community: "I'm sure that's just a coincidence(s). "

Posted by: Orson at December 27, 2024 01:39 PM (dIske)

315 Intelkegence, types deletes types deletes
Ace, thar yacht rock sidebar is three dollar bill ghey. search engine Rick Beato to pop the most recent bullshit bubble in the public domain. Sorry, no perp walks

Happy Nee Year!

Posted by: Deplorable Minion at December 27, 2024 01:40 PM (QSrLX)

316 OT: The phrase “people living in the United States without authorization” is gaining traction among the . .

Yes please. Go with that. That's much easier for LIV to u derstand the issue and crystallizes why they are being deported.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 27, 2024 01:40 PM (FxH7T)

317 Yes. Skepticism against our "experts" is part of a healthy society. The Left elevated experts so high they hit the sun and fell to earth. Fuck them.

Posted by: ... at December 27, 2024 01:38 PM (VyqB4)

But not into wood chippers with their entire bloodlines!

That needs to be fixec.

Posted by: Stateless at December 27, 2024 01:41 PM (jvJvP)

318 This is what happened, based on testimony of Chinese scientists whose statements leaked out to the West before the total information clampdown was imposed:

Around 2014, in southern China, four workers were dispatched to clean the bat guano put of a cave used as the entrance to a mining operation. After a few days of cleaning without masks and getting covered in dried guano dust and muck, all four came down with a fever, and within 48 hours three of them were dead, caused by some unknown disease. A local scientist took blood sample from the survivor and found in it a virus he did not recognize. So he sealed up the sample and sent it to the national virus lab at Wuhan for identification.

But once the sample arrived at the Wuhan lab, it was deemed to be low priority and just put in a freezer, and forgotten.

Five years later, a new employee at the lab reached to the back of the freezer, said "What's this?," and set it out to thaw so she could later see what it was.

At some point, she opened the cap, and boom, we're off to the races.

She got infected, but before realizing so, went shopping at the nearby wet market, and infected half the people there. You know the rest.

Posted by: zombie at December 27, 2024 01:42 PM (pMi6S)

319 Another unexplained part of COVID the FNM was uninterested in - the first person to die from COVID in Europe was a French fisherman that hadn't traveled anywhere himself and lived in a small fishing village.

Europe/US did nothing to stop Chinese travelers even after it was clear they were going to spread COVID but how did this French guy get it before say the people working for the airlines in Paris?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:43 PM (oZhjI)

320 It wasn't just the incredible violations of rights from the Covid that bothers me as much as it is the sheer viciousness in which they enforced them.

That's why I'll cheer and clap if these fuckers ever face mob justice.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 27, 2024 01:44 PM (k16hl)

321 The Wood Chipper of Rectification

You're going to need one of these big trailer sized jobs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71wjUQfS5Is

Posted by: DaverA at December 27, 2024 01:44 PM (FhXTo)

322 OT: The phrase “people living in the United States without authorization” is gaining traction among the . .

Yes please. Go with that. That's much easier for LIV to u derstand the issue and crystallizes why they are being deported.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 27, 2024 01:40 PM (FxH7T)

Squatters and Criminal Trespassers work, too.

Posted by: LASue at December 27, 2024 01:44 PM (lCppi)

323 Europe/US did nothing to stop Chinese travelers even after it was clear they were going to spread COVID but how did this French guy get it before say the people working for the airlines in Paris?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:43 PM (oZhjI)

First documented death and first death are not the same.

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 01:44 PM (2NXcZ)

324 So, is it safe to call the the "Kung Flu" ?

Posted by: Barney the Dinosaur

I call it Chyna Coof, then pause for a two beat, and say aka Fauci Follies.

Posted by: BifBewalski at December 27, 2024 01:44 PM (MsrgL)

325 The reason the US Government will never admit the lab leak, is that they funded the lab. This was ALL done by US programs, paid for by the Taxpayer.

They will never admit that. It opens the door for the largest Lawsuits ever seen... and that is just in THIS country. The international hit to US Gov pride, and power, would be enormous....

And IMO should happen. Our Governments Hubris is its own power, is what is causing many of the US Citizens problems.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 27, 2024 01:45 PM (QAkQ3)

326
A question is whether the grift is 10% of total, or 50%, or more? /i]

Look at your tax stub for federal and state last year. Then ask how much you personally received for the money you paid. Then remember the government is spending twice as much as it is getting in taxes so if you are paying say $20K you should be getting $40k in good and services from the government.

By this metric I figure government spending is about 80% graft for the state and 90%+ for fedgov

Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:45 PM (oZhjI)

327 And millions of people who were completely mentally broken by COVID still live.

Posted by: Uniparty, Raping and Mutilating the Children They do not kill at December 27, 2024 01:45 PM (gxokI)

328 But that would have put us in conflict with China and Congress would be forced to declare war, lawfare, economic or kinetic.
——

Pretty much. We can deduce this with a very high degree of certainty - because all the players are in it up to their eyeballs - and the response was classic;

“We Fucked Up”
therefore, “You Must Be Punished”.

Sleep Well, America - you are in good hands

Posted by: Common Tater at December 27, 2024 01:46 PM (SK57M)

329 Slander all you want, capitalist running dogs, but we sold a shit-ton of ventilators!

Posted by: Wuhan Ventilator Factory at December 27, 2024 01:46 PM (PKKgH)

330 First documented death and first death are not the same.

This is one obvious answer...but if that's true that means COVID got to Europe before it supposedly left China according to the official timeline

Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:46 PM (oZhjI)

331 @321

>>You're going to need one of these big trailer sized jobs.

Groovy
--
Ashe.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 27, 2024 01:47 PM (XV/Pl)

332 320 It wasn't just the incredible violations of rights from the Covid that bothers me as much as it is the sheer viciousness in which they enforced them.

That's why I'll cheer and clap if these fuckers ever face mob justice.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 27, 2024 01:44 PM (k16hl)

And the Supremes saying they would not intervene, when its their self created job, to do that very thing.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 27, 2024 01:47 PM (QAkQ3)

333 "The reason the US Government will never admit the lab leak, is that they funded the lab."

Fauci worked with the Deep State on bio-weapons development. Tell me I'm wrong.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 27, 2024 01:47 PM (Amz76)

334 330 First documented death and first death are not the same.

This is one obvious answer...but if that's true that means COVID got to Europe before it supposedly left China according to the official timeline
Posted by: 18-1

I thought it was documented that it was an infected person on a flight from China to Milan Italy who brought it into Europe. No?

Posted by: zombie at December 27, 2024 01:47 PM (pMi6S)

335 This is one obvious answer...but if that's true that means COVID got to Europe before it supposedly left China according to the official timeline
Posted by: 18-1 at December 27, 2024 01:46 PM (oZhjI)

And would you be surprised that it arrived earlier?

Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 27, 2024 01:48 PM (2NXcZ)

336 If you actually drilled into the study though you found out they compared a school district that did "learn from home" combined with a mask mandate for the few workers that were in the school with a school that had moved back to "learn from school" so all its employees were in the school and had no mask mandate
---
One of my favorites was their "proof" social distancing worked. All the lefties were citing to it.
Cited to an Indian health org.
But you weren't supposed to dig deeper.
To find that source was just an infographic some rando Indian state health org had put out in support of distancing.
With zero citations in that infographic.
But trust the experts!

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 27, 2024 01:48 PM (k16hl)

337 AIDS had the same effect on a certain American demographic as those cell phones had on Hezbollah.

Posted by: torabora at December 27, 2024 01:49 PM (9gcdx)

338 Nood.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 27, 2024 01:49 PM (bss/y)

339 The Social Security and pension systems saved a shit-ton of money.

Posted by: torabora at December 27, 2024 01:50 PM (9gcdx)

340 One of the first documented deaths was one of the top researchers who fell to their death from the building as I recall.

Probably checking the ducts.

Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 27, 2024 01:51 PM (QB+5g)

341 Here in the SF Bay Area, there were many news reports in December 2019 about an outbreak of some new disease. I remember seeing them. Ti was WEEKS before the announcement on Dec. 31 of the arrival of Covid-19. And since the Bay Area is about 20% Chinese with flights coming and gong by the dozens every day, it's no surprise it got here before the "official" arrival date,

Posted by: zombie at December 27, 2024 01:51 PM (pMi6S)

342 @334

>>I thought it was documented that it was an infected person on a flight from China to Milan Italy who brought it into Europe. No?

Listen, the virus more than likely escaped the Wuhan Lab in the spring/summer of 2019, it circulated in Wuhan, then spread out as viruses do, this process takes some months and since it largely mimics flu and was largely unremarkable.

COVID was not a thing until in needed to be a thing.

So when the Chinese needed something to quell the rebellion in China and Hong Kong, COVID became a thing, when the West needed to eject OrangeMan Bad from the White House, COVID became a thing.

It was an Op, it's always been an Op, and I'm sick of this continual rehash and "learning of sh*t," for going on a f**king decade.

I'm tire of it.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 27, 2024 01:53 PM (XV/Pl)

343 What the Left did was dress up in expert garb over the course of 25 years and demand respect.

Posted by: ... at December 27, 2024 01:58 PM (VyqB4)

344 Covid, Cliff Notes:
1. Our Deep State violated a legal ban on GOF research by laundering it through nonstate shell actors (EcoHealth) and the Chicoms --and CCP got a bioweapons program in the mix.
2. When SHTF Big Pharma made a coalition with Get Trump: blow it up to be the Worst Disease Ever, with Only One (EUA) cure, viz. the Vax. So all potentially effective therapeutics, natural immunity and healthy behavior must be suppressed or EUA goes away.
3. To cover up #1 and #2: free expression had to be shut down, and violators othered, suppressed and punished.
4. The worse the social pain the more vax $ales, and the more it would all be "Trump's Fault"
5. And WHO/WEF types piled on to push the Overton window to accept international social control, mass surveillance and loss of individual liberties.
6. Institutional medicine, law, journalism when not actively complicit, just buckled completely.
7. Almost all our "institutions" have been revealed as based on lies, greed, cowardice (self interest) and the lust for power.

But no I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

Posted by: Zek at December 27, 2024 02:03 PM (5FPX4)

345 Which is why "Devils' Advocates" are a thing, and strong organizations institutionalize the practice. If everyone's agreeing, something is wrong and you should contrive an opponent even if it can only be an ersatz opponent.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 27, 2024 12:43 PM

Reminds me of this from the movie World War Z, which I watched recently.

"The Tenth Man Rule suggests that, if nine people in a group of ten agree on an issue, the tenth member must take a contrarian viewpoint and assume the other nine are wrong. In World War Z lore, it's the strategy Israeli intelligence adopted after their repeated failure to take highly unlikely threats seriously."

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 27, 2024 02:28 PM (P5BPp)

346 ... August 2021 to brief the White House on a novel virus that was killing ...

Cover-Up.
It was known in August 2019 wtf was going on.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 27, 2024 02:55 PM (/lPRQ)

347 They knew in 2019, especially Nancy, who had insisted that it was imperative to impeach Trump before Christmas...and then decided to wait until January to deliver the articles to the Senate. Covid was an op between China and the dems to oust Trump. China used it to stop internal dissent (remember Hong Kong's Umbrella revolution??) as well as to do their utmost to get rid of the biggest threat to the ChiComs, President Donald Trump. The ally of the ChiComs, the democrat party of the USA, also saw opportunity to get rid of the biggest threat to their reign...President Donald Trump. MaligNancy no doubt had the intel from her allies, both at home and abroad. She made sure the Wuhan had a strong foothold, so that an emergency could be declared and ballot harvesting implemented (against the voting regulations of most states). Gavin and the California legislature proved in the trial-run state elections in 2018 (when ballot harvesting was legalized in CA) that red counties could be flipped (like Orange County), setting the stage for a national roll-out in 2020 under the guise of a national emergency using "social distancing" as the excuse to harvest millions of phony ballots.

Posted by: Uncle Jefe at December 27, 2024 03:12 PM (gAuAm)

348 I do remember Pelosi inviting everyone to join Chinese New Year celebrations in SF Chinatown shortly after Covid started spreading around the world. She knew what she was doing. What an evil b*tch!

Posted by: Angel at December 27, 2024 03:19 PM (oiJGz)

349 How could anyone believe that our intelligence agencies are so dumb to think that a deadly virus developed naturally, just outside of the lab where the same virus was being artificially developed, with no connection whatsoever? They must think we are idiots.

Posted by: Angel at December 27, 2024 03:23 PM (oiJGz)

350 Is that what their using Tax Money for a way to reduce the Human Population over he Over Population Mentality of Malthus and Ehrlich?

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