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Slimmed-Down Version of CR Fails, With 38 Republicans Voting Against It
I forgot that the House Speaker always must court Democrat votes for these bills because there is a bloc of Republicans who will not vote for any CR that raises the debt ceiling.
So Republicans defeated the more Republican version of the bill. But 38 Republicans voted against the bill. That's more than the 15-20 who just refuse to vote for any budget. I think some Republicans really want that pay raise and really want that Democrat spending.
A government spending bill supported by President-elect Donald Trump failed to pass the House of Representatives on Thursday night, intensifying concerns of a partial shutdown. The legislation required a two-thirds majority but fell short with a vote of 174-235. Divisions within the GOP and opposition from Democrats left Congress without a clear path forward ahead of the Friday deadline. Key Details: The bill, which extended government funding through March 14th and suspended the debt limit until January 2027, was opposed by 38 Republican lawmakers and most Democrats. Only two Democrats crossed party lines to support it. The proposed legislation included $110 billion in disaster relief aid, covering damage from storms Milton and Helene, and funds to rebuild Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge. However, it omitted provisions like a pay raise for Congress and a revitalization plan for Washington, D.C.'s RFK Stadium. A fringe group of Republicans defied the president-elect and rejected the bill, including Texas Rep. Chip Roy, Tennessee Rep. Andy Ogles, and Montana Rep. Matt Rosendale. Diving Deeper: The House's rejection of Speaker Mike Johnson's Plan B budget proposal leaves Congress scrambling to avoid a government shutdown set to begin at 11:59 p.m. Friday. The failure of the measure highlights deep divisions within the House, as Democrats and conservative Republicans united in opposition to the plan. Johnson's proposal, unveiled hours before the vote, sought to fund the government at current levels through March 14, 2024, while suspending the debt limit for two years. It also included $100 billion in disaster relief and $10 billion for farmers. However, these provisions failed to garner necessary support. Democrats, led by Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, dismissed the plan outright. "This proposal is laughable and unserious," Jeffries said, reflecting his caucus's frustration over what they see as inadequate responses to pressing issues. During a Democratic caucus meeting, lawmakers were reportedly heard chanting, "Hell no." Republicans also took issue with the debt limit suspension. Rep. Chip Roy, a member of the House Freedom Caucus, criticized the plan on social media, stating, "More debt. More government. Increasing the Credit Card $4 trillion with ZERO spending restraint and cuts. HARD NO."
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:14 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:14 PM (Zz0t1)
3
Shut it down
Posted by: steevy at December 20, 2024 12:15 PM (KQk9m)
4
Shut'er down!
Posted by: Weasel at December 20, 2024 12:16 PM (1BE4H)
5
The View Quickly Walks Back Suggestion Elon Musk & JD Vance Are Plotting To Kill Trump
“Stay away from the stairways”
“Stay away from the stairways”
Posted by: SMOD at December 20, 2024 12:16 PM (RHGPo)
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Sponge, FTW!
Posted by: scampydog at December 20, 2024 12:16 PM (2bFN5)
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i'm going to need more specifics on what "slimmed down" really meant, but i'm not opposed to a govt shutdown over th eholiday....
as long as there's no back pay except for military
as long as there's no back pay except for military
Posted by: Sturmtoddler at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (nXhwP)
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I think some Republicans really want that pay raise and really want that Democrat spending.
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I still want the government shut down, even if Team Red got an L out of this stupid theater.
Johnson has had 10 months since he became speaker to return to regular budgetary order. Instead, he just continued the stupid fucking CR show.
I literally don't give a shit about the federal government getting funded. Hell, even from the stupid optics perspective, none of this matters since we're as far from an election as possible.
Shut it down. Shut it down forever.
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I still want the government shut down, even if Team Red got an L out of this stupid theater.
Johnson has had 10 months since he became speaker to return to regular budgetary order. Instead, he just continued the stupid fucking CR show.
I literally don't give a shit about the federal government getting funded. Hell, even from the stupid optics perspective, none of this matters since we're as far from an election as possible.
Shut it down. Shut it down forever.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (GBKbO)
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Shut'er down!
Posted by: Weasel at December 20, 2024 12:16 PM (1BE4H)
Board up the windows! Bar the doors!
Posted by: Weasel at December 20, 2024 12:16 PM (1BE4H)
Board up the windows! Bar the doors!
Posted by: BignJames at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (Yj6Os)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (Zz0t1)
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5 The View Quickly Walks Back Suggestion Elon Musk & JD Vance Are Plotting To Kill Trump
“Stay away from the stairways”
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Those chicks be crazy.
“Stay away from the stairways”
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Those chicks be crazy.
Posted by: pudinhead at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (jFCkp)
12
Shut the bitch down. Enough bullshit.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (zVPnY)
13
Slimmer bill, but similar price tag, another budget buster CR.
The 38 are getting torched today, but they did the right thing, imho.
The 38 are getting torched today, but they did the right thing, imho.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (c6hLR)
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The fake news media is selling this as a republican problem even though the retard is still formally prez and hasn’t uttered a peep on the situation. Let the guv shut down
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (WnEm5)
Posted by: I AM A MEAT POPSICLE at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (+0goo)
16
Good. No more of these CRs and other tricks Congress uses to avoid doing its job properly.
Posted by: Dr. T at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (mH21R)
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Board up the windows! Bar the doors!
Posted by: BignJames at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (Yj6Os)
And make sure to barricade all the public and open air parks to make sure the people REALLY suffer.
Posted by: BignJames at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (Yj6Os)
And make sure to barricade all the public and open air parks to make sure the people REALLY suffer.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (Zz0t1)
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More debt. More government. Increasing the Credit Card $4 trillion with ZERO spending restraint and cuts. HARD NO.
This is what we say that we want. Over and over and over again we say that this is what we want. Then we will shit on the people trying to make this a thing.
This is what we say that we want. Over and over and over again we say that this is what we want. Then we will shit on the people trying to make this a thing.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (ExV1e)
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ABC News moderators Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar claim Elon Musk and JD Vance are planning to kill Trump and usurp control of the government together as Musk/Vance.
"[Trump] stay away from the stairways." - Whoopi
https://x.com/NickFondacaro/status/1869778579162374383
"[Trump] stay away from the stairways." - Whoopi
https://x.com/NickFondacaro/status/1869778579162374383
Posted by: SMOD at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (RHGPo)
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Hi Ace
Just read that Massie's plan to break the CR into pieces will be put on the floor for a vote. This way Dems have to vote against things like Farm Aid, Hurricane Disaster aid, Cancer research etc.
Just read that Massie's plan to break the CR into pieces will be put on the floor for a vote. This way Dems have to vote against things like Farm Aid, Hurricane Disaster aid, Cancer research etc.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 20, 2024 12:18 PM (t/2Uw)
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"I think some Republicans really want that pay raise and really want that Democrat spending."
Some? How about most? The pay raise was the bribe--the shiny object--to get these greedy felching limpdicks to vote in favor of the entire smelly mountain of excrement and dead skunks. They would get theirs. Fuck everyone else. You can't hate these cocksuckers enough.
Some? How about most? The pay raise was the bribe--the shiny object--to get these greedy felching limpdicks to vote in favor of the entire smelly mountain of excrement and dead skunks. They would get theirs. Fuck everyone else. You can't hate these cocksuckers enough.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 20, 2024 12:18 PM (iFTx/)
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There's a solution:
Committees pass individual budget bills per department. Those go to the floor individually. Those get voted on.
Snap. Snap.
Committees pass individual budget bills per department. Those go to the floor individually. Those get voted on.
Snap. Snap.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:18 PM (GBKbO)
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Shut'er down!
Posted by: Weasel at December 20, 2024 12:16 PM (1BE4H)
Board up the windows! Bar the doors!
Posted by: BignJames at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (Yj6Os)
Then set it on fire. 🔥
Posted by: Weasel at December 20, 2024 12:16 PM (1BE4H)
Board up the windows! Bar the doors!
Posted by: BignJames at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (Yj6Os)
Then set it on fire. 🔥
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 20, 2024 12:18 PM (zVPnY)
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Elon and Vivek are going to have to take control of The Budgeting Process and make Gantt Charts and Eisenhower Matrixes for ridiculous buffoons, because they literally don't work on anything on time and task schedule, they're continuously trying to cram down ridiculous shit at the 11th hour, which has habitually resulted in this preposterous Chinese Fire Drill of the last 25 plus years.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 20, 2024 12:18 PM (XV/Pl)
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PASS A DAMN BUDGET. NO MORE CEILING INCREASES.
Agreed. The pain of the cuts that need to be done can't be worse than what we are dealing with now.
Agreed. The pain of the cuts that need to be done can't be worse than what we are dealing with now.
Posted by: NR Pax at December 20, 2024 12:18 PM (+4yJ5)
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Shut it down.
No one is going to care 2 years from now that the government shut down just before Trump's takeover.
Shut it down until Jan 20.
No one is going to care 2 years from now that the government shut down just before Trump's takeover.
Shut it down until Jan 20.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 20, 2024 12:19 PM (kAFFE)
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I don't want more debt. It doesn't change my mind that The Don wants more debt.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 12:19 PM (yq9Cj)
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Shut'er down!
Posted by: Weasel at December 20, 2024 12:16 PM (1BE4H)
Board up the windows! Bar the doors!
Posted by: BignJames at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (Yj6Os)
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That too!
Posted by: Weasel at December 20, 2024 12:16 PM (1BE4H)
Board up the windows! Bar the doors!
Posted by: BignJames at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (Yj6Os)
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That too!
Posted by: Weasel at December 20, 2024 12:19 PM (1BE4H)
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ok, i'm good with killing it over unlimited debt ceiling. how bloody hard is it to say we can't increase period?
Posted by: Sturmtoddler at December 20, 2024 12:19 PM (nXhwP)
Posted by: Donald J. Trump at December 20, 2024 12:19 PM (Djkcg)
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together as Musk/Vance.
"[Trump] stay away from the stairways." - Whoopi
https://x.com/NickFondacaro/status/1869778579162374383
Posted by: SMOD at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (RHGPo)
They're literally mentally retarded.
"[Trump] stay away from the stairways." - Whoopi
https://x.com/NickFondacaro/status/1869778579162374383
Posted by: SMOD at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (RHGPo)
They're literally mentally retarded.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:19 PM (Zz0t1)
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Republicans also took issue with the debt limit suspension. Rep. Chip Roy, a member of the House Freedom Caucus, criticized the plan on social media, stating, "More debt. More government. Increasing the Credit Card $4 trillion with ZERO spending restraint and cuts. HARD NO."
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US debt limit increase is not the same as increasing a individuals credit card limit. I'd actually prefer to suspend the limit at least until the first Trump budget is passed. Which if things go as I expect, a debt limit reduction can go into place. I'm not liking the chance that the US could default on debt payments, even if unlikely. Just the fact that it is possible will add volatility to the world markets. Not a fun way to start Jan 21st.
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US debt limit increase is not the same as increasing a individuals credit card limit. I'd actually prefer to suspend the limit at least until the first Trump budget is passed. Which if things go as I expect, a debt limit reduction can go into place. I'm not liking the chance that the US could default on debt payments, even if unlikely. Just the fact that it is possible will add volatility to the world markets. Not a fun way to start Jan 21st.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 12:19 PM (fs1hN)
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Nanzi put up a fence around the Capital. Seems like this would work here. No one is getting out until you do your fucking job.
Posted by: pudinhead at December 20, 2024 12:19 PM (jFCkp)
34
Here's the link
https://tinyurl.com/bdhffsap
https://tinyurl.com/bdhffsap
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (t/2Uw)
35
The CR must include a provision prohibiting the government from prosecuting or collecting any data or information regarding the alleged practice of celebrities fucking people in the ass at private gatherings!
Call your congressional representatives now!
Call your congressional representatives now!
Posted by: P Diddy at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (pUMay)
36
Tis the season for a government shutdown.
Posted by: Curly Shuffle at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (Vyll1)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (ufFY8)
38
Willowed from the Morning Report:
I never liked Frosty the Snowman. Even as a little kid, I thought he was weird and creepy. When I got a little older, I realized why: he's not wearing any fucking pants. It’s a naked dude playing with little kids. "Come with me, little boys! I got cookies and candy in my van." There's no way his character design wasn't intended as perverted groomer shit. None.
I never liked Frosty the Snowman. Even as a little kid, I thought he was weird and creepy. When I got a little older, I realized why: he's not wearing any fucking pants. It’s a naked dude playing with little kids. "Come with me, little boys! I got cookies and candy in my van." There's no way his character design wasn't intended as perverted groomer shit. None.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (iFTx/)
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Jan 20, 2025
DJT: The federal government has been shut down for one month. Anyone notice a difference? Neither did I. This goes to show how useless most of the federal government has become. RELEASE THE DOGE!
DJT: The federal government has been shut down for one month. Anyone notice a difference? Neither did I. This goes to show how useless most of the federal government has become. RELEASE THE DOGE!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (2UnvF)
Posted by: Axeman at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (krQz2)
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And make sure to barricade all the public and open air parks to make sure the people REALLY suffer.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (Zz0t1)
Arrest anyone attempting to view Mt Rushmore from a state hwy.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (Zz0t1)
Arrest anyone attempting to view Mt Rushmore from a state hwy.
Posted by: BignJames at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (Yj6Os)
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35 The CR must include a provision prohibiting the government from prosecuting or collecting any data or information regarding the alleged practice of celebrities fucking people in the ass at private gatherings!
Call your congressional representatives now!
Posted by: P Diddy at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (pUMay)
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$5 says this is hidden in there already.
Call your congressional representatives now!
Posted by: P Diddy at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (pUMay)
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$5 says this is hidden in there already.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (GBKbO)
43
There was no plan B.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (LkLld)
44
The View Quickly Walks Back Suggestion Elon Musk & JD Vance Are Plotting To Kill Trump
“Stay away from the stairways”
-----------------
Those chicks be crazy.
Posted by: pudinhead at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (jFCkp)
It's funny, but that's also basically the line that Vox Day and his crowd are pushing--not assassination, necessarily, but they hate Vance and Musk and are broadly hinting that Trump will be forced to step down so that Vance, who they're convinced is a backstabbing Gamma and the puppet of Musk, Shield, and others, can be installed; in their minds, this is the reason Trump was "allowed" to win.
“Stay away from the stairways”
-----------------
Those chicks be crazy.
Posted by: pudinhead at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (jFCkp)
It's funny, but that's also basically the line that Vox Day and his crowd are pushing--not assassination, necessarily, but they hate Vance and Musk and are broadly hinting that Trump will be forced to step down so that Vance, who they're convinced is a backstabbing Gamma and the puppet of Musk, Shield, and others, can be installed; in their minds, this is the reason Trump was "allowed" to win.
Posted by: Wiese at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (1pand)
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1. Pass an actual budget.
2. Do not allow the Demoncrats to block an investigation into the J6 committee.
If you can't commit to those two things, GOPe, seek Canadian Healthcare.
2. Do not allow the Demoncrats to block an investigation into the J6 committee.
If you can't commit to those two things, GOPe, seek Canadian Healthcare.
Posted by: XTC at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (UnA8+)
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They're now expected to split the "slim CR" into three bills--CR, disaster relief, and farm subsidies.
Suspension of the debt ceiling is off the table, as it should be.
Suspension of the debt ceiling is off the table, as it should be.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 20, 2024 12:21 PM (paSBy)
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You know - if Congress doesn't want to make decisions ?
I'd be just fine with expenditures balanced with the previous year's receipts ... and allocations per department accord to a tally of check marks on tax returns.
Bonus points to this system if only the Net Payers get to choose.
I'd be just fine with expenditures balanced with the previous year's receipts ... and allocations per department accord to a tally of check marks on tax returns.
Bonus points to this system if only the Net Payers get to choose.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 12:21 PM (yq9Cj)
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So, is Ace cheering or booing this vote? Who cares what Hocking a Jeffrey says. Tell the Ds to go home. The House doesn't need them to pass good bills anyway.
Posted by: Ghost of OrangeEnt Present at December 20, 2024 12:22 PM (uL/4B)
Posted by: humphreyrobot at December 20, 2024 12:22 PM (j4BnS)
Posted by: Frank Barone at December 20, 2024 12:22 PM (+oR7L)
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fyi - FSJ and Gertie are also both pro-shutdown.
Posted by: Weasel at December 20, 2024 12:22 PM (1BE4H)
52
They should just keep this shit up for another 30-some odd days and never pass anything.
Shut it down. Now.
Shut it down. Now.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 20, 2024 12:22 PM (Q4IgG)
53
If the government shuts down, who will monitor me?
Posted by: Vlad at December 20, 2024 12:22 PM (Djkcg)
54
Vote on one item, settle it, and move on to the next thing. Easy peasy.
Posted by: fd at December 20, 2024 12:22 PM (vFG9F)
55
38 . It’s a naked dude playing with little kids. "Come with me, little boys! I got cookies and candy in my van." There's no way his character design wasn't intended as perverted groomer shit. None.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
Good morning! Are you feeling okay? Maybe a brisk walk. 😊
Posted by: Elric The Blade
Good morning! Are you feeling okay? Maybe a brisk walk. 😊
Posted by: Piper at December 20, 2024 12:22 PM (p4NUW)
56
The best thing realistically that can happen is a "shut down"
Hell keep it "shut down" for 4 years
Hell keep it "shut down" for 4 years
Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:23 PM (oZhjI)
57
Can't they even settle on one thing that needs funding?
Posted by: fd at December 20, 2024 12:23 PM (vFG9F)
58
Who remembers how devastating the last shutdown was and what a huge impact it made?
Yeah...me neither.
Yeah...me neither.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 20, 2024 12:23 PM (W/lyH)
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I think some Republicans really want that pay raise
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They make a lot more than the average citizen, who is going to have a smaller Christmas this year owing to inflation's remaining effect.
This is a bad look.
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They make a lot more than the average citizen, who is going to have a smaller Christmas this year owing to inflation's remaining effect.
This is a bad look.
Posted by: Axeman at December 20, 2024 12:23 PM (krQz2)
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Some days, I hit the point of:
Government? Government? We don't need to steenkin' government!
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On a more serious note, how about a limited CR, supporting just DoD, NWS, CBP, INS, and the service that handles import/export/tariffs. We might also want to keep the NICS system up, but limited other parts of the BATFE.
Government? Government? We don't need to steenkin' government!
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On a more serious note, how about a limited CR, supporting just DoD, NWS, CBP, INS, and the service that handles import/export/tariffs. We might also want to keep the NICS system up, but limited other parts of the BATFE.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 20, 2024 12:23 PM (VNX3d)
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Here's the link
https://tinyurl.com/bdhffsap
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (t/2Uw)
I don't see this as a bad thing.
https://tinyurl.com/bdhffsap
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (t/2Uw)
I don't see this as a bad thing.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 20, 2024 12:24 PM (ExV1e)
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58 Who remembers how devastating the last shutdown was and what a huge impact it made?
Yeah...me neither.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 20, 2024 12:23 PM (W/lyH)
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Trump shut it down for a month against Paul Ryan.
The entire American society did not collapse for some reason.
Yeah...me neither.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 20, 2024 12:23 PM (W/lyH)
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Trump shut it down for a month against Paul Ryan.
The entire American society did not collapse for some reason.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:24 PM (GBKbO)
63
Shut it down. Hit something hard.
Posted by: Earl Schlobodowicz at December 20, 2024 12:24 PM (P7Iz+)
64
There's no balls like snowballs.
Posted by: Frosty at December 20, 2024 12:24 PM (vFG9F)
65
Shut'er down!
Posted by: Weasel at December 20, 2024 12:16 PM (1BE4H)
Board up the windows! Bar the doors!
Posted by: BignJames at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (Yj6Os)
Then set it on fire. 🔥
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 20, 2024 12:18 PM (zVPnY)
Put the CR in an EV that's in an underground parking garage near Capitol Hill
Posted by: Weasel at December 20, 2024 12:16 PM (1BE4H)
Board up the windows! Bar the doors!
Posted by: BignJames at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (Yj6Os)
Then set it on fire. 🔥
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 20, 2024 12:18 PM (zVPnY)
Put the CR in an EV that's in an underground parking garage near Capitol Hill
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 20, 2024 12:24 PM (Aqu9a)
66
Nancy Mace played the "fiscal conservative" too because trading nukes with Russia wasn't on the bill.
Posted by: Boulder Terlit Hobo at December 20, 2024 12:25 PM (jMXjc)
67
Those North Carolina families living in snow covered tents while the congress wants a pay raise should be mentioned early and often.
Posted by: Frank Barone at December 20, 2024 12:25 PM (+oR7L)
68
Shut'er down!
Posted by: Weasel at December 20, 2024 12:16 PM (1BE4H)
Board up the windows! Bar the doors!
Posted by: BignJames at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (Yj6Os)
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That too!
Posted by: Weasel at December 20, 2024 12:19 PM (1BE4H)
***
Scatter caltrops throughout The Hill.
Posted by: Weasel at December 20, 2024 12:16 PM (1BE4H)
Board up the windows! Bar the doors!
Posted by: BignJames at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (Yj6Os)
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That too!
Posted by: Weasel at December 20, 2024 12:19 PM (1BE4H)
***
Scatter caltrops throughout The Hill.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 20, 2024 12:26 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at December 20, 2024 12:26 PM (ufFY8)
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@57
>>Can't they even settle on one thing that needs funding?
Nah, you can't hide massive amounts of graft in a 10 page bill, that's why the vomit out multi-thousand page CR's at the 11th hour.
Johnson's a sh*tweasel and should be gone from the speaker position in the next congress, the problem is there are no other people who are not sh*tweasels in congress.
That's why Trump, Vance, Musk and Vivek, need to take control of the budgeting process and basically sideline these ridiculous POS.
>>Can't they even settle on one thing that needs funding?
Nah, you can't hide massive amounts of graft in a 10 page bill, that's why the vomit out multi-thousand page CR's at the 11th hour.
Johnson's a sh*tweasel and should be gone from the speaker position in the next congress, the problem is there are no other people who are not sh*tweasels in congress.
That's why Trump, Vance, Musk and Vivek, need to take control of the budgeting process and basically sideline these ridiculous POS.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 20, 2024 12:26 PM (XV/Pl)
71
There's no balls like snowballs.
Posted by: Frosty at December 20, 2024 12:24 PM (vFG9F)
And how!
Posted by: Frosty at December 20, 2024 12:24 PM (vFG9F)
And how!
Posted by: Lily Phillips, in training at December 20, 2024 12:26 PM (Aqu9a)
72
I never liked Frosty the Snowman. Even as a little kid, I thought he was weird and creepy. When I got a little older, I realized why: he's not wearing any fucking pants. It’s a naked dude playing with little kids. "Come with me, little boys! I got cookies and candy in my van." There's no way his character design wasn't intended as perverted groomer shit. None.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (iFTx/)
It gets worse. He's fat and can't see his dick. He's Gerald Nadler.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (iFTx/)
It gets worse. He's fat and can't see his dick. He's Gerald Nadler.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 20, 2024 12:26 PM (ExV1e)
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I don't know if accurate but...
unseen1 @unseen1_unseen Dec 19
Let me explain the debt ceiling to you since it's pretty clear most of you have no idea what is going on.
As of now, there is no debt ceiling.
Let me repeat that for all of those "true conservative" supporters. As of right now, there is no debt ceiling.
The debt ceiling was suspended back in June of 2023.
As things stand now, as of Jan 1st, 2025, the debt ceiling will return, and it will be whatever it was when it was suspended plus whatever spending Biden and the dems did since June of 2023. That new debt ceiling is estimated to be hit by June of 2025 if not earlier.
What the CR wanted to do is push the redemption of the debt ceiling back for 2 years.
This would allow massive tax cuts that Trump wants to make. Things like no tax on tips, no tax on social security, no tax on overtime, a 15% tax bracket for companies who built here, and to stop the Trump tax cuts from expiring.
unseen1 @unseen1_unseen Dec 19
Let me explain the debt ceiling to you since it's pretty clear most of you have no idea what is going on.
As of now, there is no debt ceiling.
Let me repeat that for all of those "true conservative" supporters. As of right now, there is no debt ceiling.
The debt ceiling was suspended back in June of 2023.
As things stand now, as of Jan 1st, 2025, the debt ceiling will return, and it will be whatever it was when it was suspended plus whatever spending Biden and the dems did since June of 2023. That new debt ceiling is estimated to be hit by June of 2025 if not earlier.
What the CR wanted to do is push the redemption of the debt ceiling back for 2 years.
This would allow massive tax cuts that Trump wants to make. Things like no tax on tips, no tax on social security, no tax on overtime, a 15% tax bracket for companies who built here, and to stop the Trump tax cuts from expiring.
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 20, 2024 12:26 PM (hovnC)
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On a more serious note, how about a limited CR, supporting just DoD, NWS, CBP, INS, and the service that handles import/export/tariffs. We might also want to keep the NICS system up, but limited other parts of the BATFE.
DoD ? The same group that just had to admit they'd lied about how many troops we have in Syria ? We'll never get meaningful reform until the friggin' DoD stops being held up as a sacred cow.
DoD ? The same group that just had to admit they'd lied about how many troops we have in Syria ? We'll never get meaningful reform until the friggin' DoD stops being held up as a sacred cow.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 12:26 PM (yq9Cj)
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unseen1 @unseen1_unseen Dec 19
You see, the government idiots consider tax cuts as government spending. So if you do $4 trillion in tax cuts, the government considers that $ 4 trillion in spending.
The debt ceiling redemption on Jan 1st will make Trump have to figure out how to pass the tax cuts without going over the debt ceiling and triggering a default. Do you get it now?
By not moving the non-existent debt ceiling back two more years, the "true conservatives" just stopped you from getting more of your money returned to you by tax cuts and they kept more money in the government for a bigger gov. In effect, they just voted for the exact opposite of what they tell you they want and don't for a second think they don't know that.
You see, the government idiots consider tax cuts as government spending. So if you do $4 trillion in tax cuts, the government considers that $ 4 trillion in spending.
The debt ceiling redemption on Jan 1st will make Trump have to figure out how to pass the tax cuts without going over the debt ceiling and triggering a default. Do you get it now?
By not moving the non-existent debt ceiling back two more years, the "true conservatives" just stopped you from getting more of your money returned to you by tax cuts and they kept more money in the government for a bigger gov. In effect, they just voted for the exact opposite of what they tell you they want and don't for a second think they don't know that.
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 20, 2024 12:26 PM (hovnC)
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i'm going to need more specifics on what "slimmed down" really meant, but i'm not opposed to a govt shutdown over th eholiday....
Posted by: Sturmtoddler at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (nXhwP)
Slimmed down?! Thats fat shaming!
Posted by: Sturmtoddler at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (nXhwP)
Slimmed down?! Thats fat shaming!
Posted by: Whoopie at December 20, 2024 12:26 PM (M0/da)
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Hey, that CR isn't going to suck itself!
Hey, that CR isn't going to suck itself!
Posted by: Congress to the Voters at December 20, 2024 12:27 PM (+oR7L)
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Scatter caltrops throughout The Hill.
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Bouncing Bettys would be a firmer statement.
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Bouncing Bettys would be a firmer statement.
Posted by: pudinhead at December 20, 2024 12:27 PM (jFCkp)
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Debt ceiling to infinity. And beyond.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 20, 2024 12:27 PM (63Dwl)
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Not dealing with the debt ceiling now means that the Dems and their Republican gimps will use it later to keep Trump from deporting illegals, finishing the wall, or basically doing anything he was elected to do. Congratulations on your fiscal responsibility.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at December 20, 2024 12:28 PM (5IFb9)
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One way to reform government is tie congressional salary to the debt.
For every billion the *debt* goes down every congress cretin gets $10K.
And if the debt increases? We take 1% of the total wealth of every member of congress that voted for the last budget/spending bill for every billion the debt goes up.
For every billion the *debt* goes down every congress cretin gets $10K.
And if the debt increases? We take 1% of the total wealth of every member of congress that voted for the last budget/spending bill for every billion the debt goes up.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:28 PM (oZhjI)
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There is never going to be legislation from congress that is good for America. Good for Democrats, sure. America? Hell no.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 20, 2024 12:28 PM (WPL6O)
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1000s will starve in the first few seconds after the government shut down.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at December 20, 2024 12:28 PM (j4BnS)
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I never liked Frosty the Snowman. Even as a little kid, I thought he was weird and creepy. When I got a little older, I realized why: he's not wearing any fucking pants. It’s a naked dude playing with little kids. "Come with me, little boys! I got cookies and candy in my van." There's no way his character design wasn't intended as perverted groomer shit. None.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (iFTx/)
Your description of Frosty also applies to Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Donald Duck, Porky Pig and other beloved cartoon characters…. I think it’s because they’re animals. I don’t believe Walt Disney was into pedo stuff or grooming
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (iFTx/)
Your description of Frosty also applies to Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Donald Duck, Porky Pig and other beloved cartoon characters…. I think it’s because they’re animals. I don’t believe Walt Disney was into pedo stuff or grooming
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:28 PM (ZtAny)
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Strictly speaking, Congress isn't voting itself a pay raise. The 27th Amendment ( which was the second Amendment proposed in the original Bill of Rights) prohibits a sitting Congress from voting itself a pay raise, the next Congress would be getting the raise. But since around 90% of these people get reelected, it's pretty much the same thing.
Posted by: Josephistan at December 20, 2024 12:29 PM (y9ksN)
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Here's the link
https://tinyurl.com/bdhffsap
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (t/2Uw)
I don't see this as a bad thing.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
Neither do I. We need to get by the next 30 or so,days til Trump gets inaugurated. Why burn it down before he has a chance to make things happen. Dems are using this to frustrate us with things that will not actually happen once Trump takes office. Take a breath people.
https://tinyurl.com/bdhffsap
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (t/2Uw)
I don't see this as a bad thing.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
Neither do I. We need to get by the next 30 or so,days til Trump gets inaugurated. Why burn it down before he has a chance to make things happen. Dems are using this to frustrate us with things that will not actually happen once Trump takes office. Take a breath people.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 20, 2024 12:29 PM (t/2Uw)
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1000s will starve in the first few seconds after the government shut down.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at December 20, 2024 12:28 PM (j4BnS)
Assuming its all the usual suspects ? Now tell me the downside.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at December 20, 2024 12:28 PM (j4BnS)
Assuming its all the usual suspects ? Now tell me the downside.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 12:29 PM (yq9Cj)
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48 So, is Ace cheering or booing this vote? Who cares what Hocking a Jeffrey says. Tell the Ds to go home. The House doesn't need them to pass good bills anyway.
Posted by: Ghost of OrangeEnt
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Comes off like he's booing the vote, thinks the compromise should've passed... The ones that voted against are Freedom Caucus / conservatives, not RINO's. Seems hard to believe that one could support any fiscal constraint (lowering debt, balanced budget, etc.) but not support what these guys are doing. Trump doesn't care about fiscal constraint, but I would think 'we' do...
Posted by: Ghost of OrangeEnt
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Comes off like he's booing the vote, thinks the compromise should've passed... The ones that voted against are Freedom Caucus / conservatives, not RINO's. Seems hard to believe that one could support any fiscal constraint (lowering debt, balanced budget, etc.) but not support what these guys are doing. Trump doesn't care about fiscal constraint, but I would think 'we' do...
Posted by: bearski at December 20, 2024 12:29 PM (Bhsk7)
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Babylon Bee:
Representatives Upset Spending Bill Killed By The People They Represent
https://tinyurl.com/4mhs4t9c
Representatives Upset Spending Bill Killed By The People They Represent
https://tinyurl.com/4mhs4t9c
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 20, 2024 12:29 PM (VNX3d)
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Breaking from Zerohedge:
The House will now vote all the bills separately today.
CR
Ag Bill
Disaster Bill
The House will now vote all the bills separately today.
CR
Ag Bill
Disaster Bill
Posted by: Nova Local at December 20, 2024 12:29 PM (exHjb)
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Shut. It. Down.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 20, 2024 12:30 PM (jHelr)
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That new debt ceiling is estimated to be hit by June of 2025 if not earlier.
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Which allows for plenty of time to reduce spending, it spending reduction is really what Trump wants to do.
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Which allows for plenty of time to reduce spending, it spending reduction is really what Trump wants to do.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 20, 2024 12:30 PM (paSBy)
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@80
>>Not dealing with the debt ceiling now means that the Dems and their Republican gimps will use it later to keep Trump from deporting illegals, finishing the wall, or basically doing anything he was elected to do. Congratulations on your fiscal responsibility.
Again, there is not adequate time to debate and analyze what these f**king retards are trying to do.
As usual, they've pushed everything to the last minute into a must pass CR, vomited forth at the 11th hour.
Let's shut down the government, swear in Trump and his pipehitters and let Musk, Vivek and Vance get pliers and blow torches and go Medieval on these ridiculous clowns.
>>Not dealing with the debt ceiling now means that the Dems and their Republican gimps will use it later to keep Trump from deporting illegals, finishing the wall, or basically doing anything he was elected to do. Congratulations on your fiscal responsibility.
Again, there is not adequate time to debate and analyze what these f**king retards are trying to do.
As usual, they've pushed everything to the last minute into a must pass CR, vomited forth at the 11th hour.
Let's shut down the government, swear in Trump and his pipehitters and let Musk, Vivek and Vance get pliers and blow torches and go Medieval on these ridiculous clowns.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 20, 2024 12:30 PM (XV/Pl)
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What the CR wanted to do is push the redemption of the debt ceiling back for 2 years.
This would allow massive tax cuts that Trump wants to make. Things like no tax on tips, no tax on social security, no tax on overtime, a 15% tax bracket for companies who built here, and to stop the Trump tax cuts from expiring.
That's nice and all, but the two aren't mutually exclusive.
Pay for the tax cuts with the skills of unemployed federal employees and keep the debt ceiling in place.
This would allow massive tax cuts that Trump wants to make. Things like no tax on tips, no tax on social security, no tax on overtime, a 15% tax bracket for companies who built here, and to stop the Trump tax cuts from expiring.
That's nice and all, but the two aren't mutually exclusive.
Pay for the tax cuts with the skills of unemployed federal employees and keep the debt ceiling in place.
Posted by: Vlad at December 20, 2024 12:31 PM (Djkcg)
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Anyone have a calculator handy?
The Truth@TruthPromoter
Here is a detailed breakdown of the spending allocations in the American Relief Act 2025:
1. Department of Housing and Urban Development
Community Development Fund: $12,039,000,000 for disaster recovery.Includes $45,000,000 for administrative costs.
$1,850,000 for the disaster recovery data portal.
$7,000,000 for auditing by the Office of Inspector General.
$25,000,000 for capacity building and technical assistance.
2. Department of Agriculture
Emergency programs: Forestry: $356,500,000.
Watershed protection: $920,000,000.
3. Department of Justice
U.S. Marshals Service: $12,000,000 for protection of Supreme Court Justices' residences.
Federal Prison System: $64,795,500 for disaster-related expenses.
4. National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)
Construction and restoration for disaster-damaged facilities: $740,200,000.
5. Department of Defense
Recovery for storms and disasters: Army: $451,900,000.
Navy: $1,454,000,000.
Air Force: $487,300,000.
The Truth@TruthPromoter
Here is a detailed breakdown of the spending allocations in the American Relief Act 2025:
1. Department of Housing and Urban Development
Community Development Fund: $12,039,000,000 for disaster recovery.Includes $45,000,000 for administrative costs.
$1,850,000 for the disaster recovery data portal.
$7,000,000 for auditing by the Office of Inspector General.
$25,000,000 for capacity building and technical assistance.
2. Department of Agriculture
Emergency programs: Forestry: $356,500,000.
Watershed protection: $920,000,000.
3. Department of Justice
U.S. Marshals Service: $12,000,000 for protection of Supreme Court Justices' residences.
Federal Prison System: $64,795,500 for disaster-related expenses.
4. National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)
Construction and restoration for disaster-damaged facilities: $740,200,000.
5. Department of Defense
Recovery for storms and disasters: Army: $451,900,000.
Navy: $1,454,000,000.
Air Force: $487,300,000.
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 20, 2024 12:31 PM (hovnC)
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Calculator cont.
The Truth@TruthPromoter
6. Department of Transportation
Federal Highway Administration: Emergency Relief Program: $8,086,020,000 for infrastructure repairs, including damage to the Francis Scott Key Bridge.
The Truth@TruthPromoter_ 1h
7. Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)
Disaster Relief Fund: $29,000,000,000 for major disasters.
Hermit’s Peak/Calf Canyon Fire Assistance Account: $1,500,000,000.
8. Department of Health and Human Services
Child Care and Development Block Grant: $250,000,000 for disaster recovery.
9. Department of Interior
National Forest System: $2,523,000,000 for disaster recovery.
Capital improvements: $3,525,000,000.
10. Small Business Administration
Disaster Loans Program Account: $2,249,000,000.
11. Fisheries and Environmental Programs
Fisheries Disaster Assistance: $300,000,000.
12. Food and Nutrition Services
Emergency Food Assistance Program: $25,000,000.
The Truth@TruthPromoter
6. Department of Transportation
Federal Highway Administration: Emergency Relief Program: $8,086,020,000 for infrastructure repairs, including damage to the Francis Scott Key Bridge.
The Truth@TruthPromoter_ 1h
7. Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)
Disaster Relief Fund: $29,000,000,000 for major disasters.
Hermit’s Peak/Calf Canyon Fire Assistance Account: $1,500,000,000.
8. Department of Health and Human Services
Child Care and Development Block Grant: $250,000,000 for disaster recovery.
9. Department of Interior
National Forest System: $2,523,000,000 for disaster recovery.
Capital improvements: $3,525,000,000.
10. Small Business Administration
Disaster Loans Program Account: $2,249,000,000.
11. Fisheries and Environmental Programs
Fisheries Disaster Assistance: $300,000,000.
12. Food and Nutrition Services
Emergency Food Assistance Program: $25,000,000.
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 20, 2024 12:31 PM (hovnC)
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 20, 2024 12:31 PM (jHelr)
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This kerfuffle is all of sound and fury signifying nothing. It’ll be forgotten completely by inauguration. But people gotta have something to argue about and be outraged about….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:31 PM (ZtAny)
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What the CR wanted to do is push the redemption of the debt ceiling back for 2 years.
This would allow massive tax cuts that Trump wants to make. Things like no tax on tips, no tax on social security, no tax on overtime, a 15% tax bracket for companies who built here, and to stop the Trump tax cuts from expiring.
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC)
Exactly right. This is why Trump wants it. It is a good,thing in this case so DOGE can do it's job.
This would allow massive tax cuts that Trump wants to make. Things like no tax on tips, no tax on social security, no tax on overtime, a 15% tax bracket for companies who built here, and to stop the Trump tax cuts from expiring.
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC)
Exactly right. This is why Trump wants it. It is a good,thing in this case so DOGE can do it's job.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 20, 2024 12:31 PM (t/2Uw)
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Unpopular opinion:
Congressmen do not have a salary commiserate with the power and responsibility they hold. Find me the private sector man who is as powerful as a congressman, and tell me what his salary is.
You can pretend that honest money does not compete with bribery and insider trading, and right now we are PRETENDING AS HARD AS WE CAN.
Congressmen do not have a salary commiserate with the power and responsibility they hold. Find me the private sector man who is as powerful as a congressman, and tell me what his salary is.
You can pretend that honest money does not compete with bribery and insider trading, and right now we are PRETENDING AS HARD AS WE CAN.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 20, 2024 12:32 PM (lhenN)
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What the CR wanted to do is push the redemption of the debt ceiling back for 2 years.
If you want to stop your husband or wife from bouncing checks ? You don't give them two more years of checks.
If you want to stop your husband or wife from bouncing checks ? You don't give them two more years of checks.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 12:32 PM (yq9Cj)
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>>Suspension of the rules is a procedure generally used to quickly pass non-controversial bills in the United States House of Representatives.
>>A member can make a motion to suspend the rules only if the Speaker of the House allows them to. Once a member moves to "suspend the rules" and take some action, debate is limited to 40 minutes, no amendments can be offered to the motion or the underlying matter, and a 2/3 majority of Members present and voting is required to agree to the motion.
https://tinyurl.com/3kjuztf5
>>A member can make a motion to suspend the rules only if the Speaker of the House allows them to. Once a member moves to "suspend the rules" and take some action, debate is limited to 40 minutes, no amendments can be offered to the motion or the underlying matter, and a 2/3 majority of Members present and voting is required to agree to the motion.
https://tinyurl.com/3kjuztf5
Posted by: JackStraw at December 20, 2024 12:32 PM (LkLld)
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We need $1.9 billion for a Drones over New Jersey study
We need $1.9 billion for a Drones over New Jersey study
Posted by: Congress to the Voters at December 20, 2024 12:32 PM (+oR7L)
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I trust Trump so go with what he wants.
But, do not under any circumstance allow passage of language that restricts investigation into the J6 Committee and their criminal acts. Force Biden to pardon them.
But, do not under any circumstance allow passage of language that restricts investigation into the J6 Committee and their criminal acts. Force Biden to pardon them.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 20, 2024 12:32 PM (W/lyH)
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Congress is gridlocked and the bureaucracy is shut down until at least mid January.
I may have lost the plot, but I’m not seeing the downside here.
I may have lost the plot, but I’m not seeing the downside here.
Posted by: Going deep. Out. at December 20, 2024 12:33 PM (DJPFk)
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retards are trying to do.
As usual, they've pushed everything to the last minute into a must pass CR, vomited forth at the 11th hour.
One of the ways you can tell the GOPe isn't a serious party is exactly this. Why not start on budgeting months before it is needed?
As usual, they've pushed everything to the last minute into a must pass CR, vomited forth at the 11th hour.
One of the ways you can tell the GOPe isn't a serious party is exactly this. Why not start on budgeting months before it is needed?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:33 PM (oZhjI)
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Shut down the government?!!
Where are they going to get the employees necessary to block off the outdoor monuments and put up fencing to guard at Mount Rushmore? At this late date most of them already have plans for the holidays. They'll have to offer them triple time to work through the shutdown!
Do I need the s/ tag?
Where are they going to get the employees necessary to block off the outdoor monuments and put up fencing to guard at Mount Rushmore? At this late date most of them already have plans for the holidays. They'll have to offer them triple time to work through the shutdown!
Do I need the s/ tag?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 20, 2024 12:33 PM (FCbAQ)
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The thing about it is that this half a loaf is better than no loaf. I get what they are saying, but this is a better thing than the prior monstrosity. Maybe they figure they can get something better- and that may be. I dunno, our normal ways of looking at this are skewed. We always say 'we spend too damn much and this is insane!' Well, maybe we might actually do something. I doubt the other 510 members of the House will go along.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 12:33 PM (bss/y)
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1000s will starve in the first few seconds after the government shut down.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at December 20, 2024 12:28 PM (j4BnS)
On Monday, December 23rd:
You think you're tough for eating beans every day? There's half a million scarecrows in Denver who'd give anything for one mouthful of what you got. They've been under siege for about three days. They live on rats and sawdust bread and sometimes... on each other. At night, the pyres for the dead light up the sky. It's medieval.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at December 20, 2024 12:28 PM (j4BnS)
On Monday, December 23rd:
You think you're tough for eating beans every day? There's half a million scarecrows in Denver who'd give anything for one mouthful of what you got. They've been under siege for about three days. They live on rats and sawdust bread and sometimes... on each other. At night, the pyres for the dead light up the sky. It's medieval.
Posted by: Col. Andy Tanner at December 20, 2024 12:33 PM (Aqu9a)
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Unless they're active in negotiations, why aren't the committee chairs in session and working on budget bills right now?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:33 PM (GBKbO)
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I am getting conflicting information on the debt ceiling. I am reading the reason Trump doesn’t want it is for stability in the markets to avoid a perception our debts will go unpaid, not to increase spending.
Then I realize the best laid plans of mice and men theory exists. So smart people, what are the pros and cons, for real. Not hyper emotionally charged invective, you know, the stuff I normally toss into the ring.
Then I realize the best laid plans of mice and men theory exists. So smart people, what are the pros and cons, for real. Not hyper emotionally charged invective, you know, the stuff I normally toss into the ring.
Posted by: Piper at December 20, 2024 12:33 PM (pZEOD)
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My daughter is laughing because she just got back from the ENT and her neck is, officially, "supple and without mass".
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 20, 2024 12:34 PM (ExV1e)
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Heard all the pros and cons about this, here at the HQ this morning. What I like is the “ system” that the DC Vermin live by is getting all shook up.. more please.
Posted by: tubal at December 20, 2024 12:34 PM (PCK5/)
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I trust Trump so go with what he wants.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 20, 2024 12:32 PM (W/lyH)
Exactly how we got into this shit-show of a fiscal position. Exactly that - from both parties, for generations.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 20, 2024 12:32 PM (W/lyH)
Exactly how we got into this shit-show of a fiscal position. Exactly that - from both parties, for generations.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 12:34 PM (yq9Cj)
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106 retards are trying to do.
As usual, they've pushed everything to the last minute into a must pass CR, vomited forth at the 11th hour.
One of the ways you can tell the GOPe isn't a serious party is exactly this. Why not start on budgeting months before it is needed?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:33 PM (oZhjI)
B/c for now, the Senate would sit on all bills and not pass them...and the House has more true Dems than true Rs...
As usual, they've pushed everything to the last minute into a must pass CR, vomited forth at the 11th hour.
One of the ways you can tell the GOPe isn't a serious party is exactly this. Why not start on budgeting months before it is needed?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:33 PM (oZhjI)
B/c for now, the Senate would sit on all bills and not pass them...and the House has more true Dems than true Rs...
Posted by: Nova Local at December 20, 2024 12:34 PM (exHjb)
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I will admit that I am not smart enough to figure out what is best and who is right with this spending bill thing. But i do know Musk and Vivek are way smarter than me, so I'll go with whatever they think is good.
Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at December 20, 2024 12:34 PM (EmT/E)
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Posted by: Sturmtoddler at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (nXhwP)
Slimmed down?! Thats fat shaming!
Posted by: Whoopie at December 20, 2024 12:26 PM (M0/da)
hey FAT!!!
-- sleepy Joe...
Slimmed down?! Thats fat shaming!
Posted by: Whoopie at December 20, 2024 12:26 PM (M0/da)
hey FAT!!!
-- sleepy Joe...
Posted by: Sturmtoddler at December 20, 2024 12:34 PM (nXhwP)
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106 One of the ways you can tell the GOPe isn't a serious party is exactly this. Why not start on budgeting months before it is needed?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:33 PM (oZhjI)
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Gaetz kicked off the coup against McCarthy because of the CR. This led to Johnson becoming Speaker who promised a return to regular budgetary order.
Now, it's December and we have to hear wailing about how non-essential federal employees might not get paid on Christmas, or something.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:33 PM (oZhjI)
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Gaetz kicked off the coup against McCarthy because of the CR. This led to Johnson becoming Speaker who promised a return to regular budgetary order.
Now, it's December and we have to hear wailing about how non-essential federal employees might not get paid on Christmas, or something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:34 PM (GBKbO)
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@104
>>I trust Trump so go with what he wants.
But, do not under any circumstance allow passage of language that restricts investigation into the J6 Committee and their criminal acts. Force Biden to pardon them.
Again, don't pass anything at this point, these clowns have shirked their constitutional duty, let shut the government down, let's let the new administration take power, and then basically take over the responsibility of crafting budgets, because obviously the people in charge of The House are not capable of crafting budgets on time or on budget.
>>I trust Trump so go with what he wants.
But, do not under any circumstance allow passage of language that restricts investigation into the J6 Committee and their criminal acts. Force Biden to pardon them.
Again, don't pass anything at this point, these clowns have shirked their constitutional duty, let shut the government down, let's let the new administration take power, and then basically take over the responsibility of crafting budgets, because obviously the people in charge of The House are not capable of crafting budgets on time or on budget.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 20, 2024 12:35 PM (XV/Pl)
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This would allow massive tax cuts that Trump wants to make. Things like no tax on tips, no tax on social security, no tax on overtime, a 15% tax bracket for companies who built here, and to stop the Trump tax cuts from expiring.
Posted by: andycanuck
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The debt ceiling shuffle is simply a tool that will never truly be used effectively and has not since it was passed during WWI. Congress always extends the debt ceiling because if the fed government ever defaults, interest rates will spike substantially and long lasting.
Similar to a nuke and like Putin's nuclear posturing, it became less and less effective as a tool when presented as a periodic empty threat.
There are other dubious practices such as using static tax analysis by the CBO, Paygo, and various other stupid opaque rules adopted over the years to obfuscate spending, borrowing, and taxes.
Posted by: andycanuck
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The debt ceiling shuffle is simply a tool that will never truly be used effectively and has not since it was passed during WWI. Congress always extends the debt ceiling because if the fed government ever defaults, interest rates will spike substantially and long lasting.
Similar to a nuke and like Putin's nuclear posturing, it became less and less effective as a tool when presented as a periodic empty threat.
There are other dubious practices such as using static tax analysis by the CBO, Paygo, and various other stupid opaque rules adopted over the years to obfuscate spending, borrowing, and taxes.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 12:35 PM (ctrM5)
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"Which allows for plenty of time to reduce spending, it spending reduction is really what Trump wants to do.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis,"
Lets see some other results and then talk about the debt ceiling.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis,"
Lets see some other results and then talk about the debt ceiling.
Posted by: fd at December 20, 2024 12:35 PM (vFG9F)
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Trump Says a Shutdown Is "Biden's Problem to Solve". Still a POS who is loath to take any responsibility.
Good luck rebranding the Trump Shutdown. What an assclown. Everyone knows it's his fault, along with President Musk.
Nope, it'll stick to Joe. The orange piece of shit gets away with EVERYTHING. If the Government does shut down it’ll be Biden’s fault. 🤬
Republicans are already blaming it on Musk. A defeatist attitude gets us nowhere. The general public is at least smart enough to know it's the Republicans fault.
He created the problem, and he wants to blame Biden. It's time for Biden to take the boxing gloves off and explain it to the American people. One little tweet won't do, he needs to use his bully pulpit and explain to the American people why Trump wants the debt limit raised and how he raised the deficit the last time he was president.
I hope Zelensky and our allies are watching. The US under Trump can't be trusted.
What I want is for Joe to get in front of the cameras and turn into Dark Brandon - annihilate & publicly lambast this asshole of a mango.
Good luck rebranding the Trump Shutdown. What an assclown. Everyone knows it's his fault, along with President Musk.
Nope, it'll stick to Joe. The orange piece of shit gets away with EVERYTHING. If the Government does shut down it’ll be Biden’s fault. 🤬
Republicans are already blaming it on Musk. A defeatist attitude gets us nowhere. The general public is at least smart enough to know it's the Republicans fault.
He created the problem, and he wants to blame Biden. It's time for Biden to take the boxing gloves off and explain it to the American people. One little tweet won't do, he needs to use his bully pulpit and explain to the American people why Trump wants the debt limit raised and how he raised the deficit the last time he was president.
I hope Zelensky and our allies are watching. The US under Trump can't be trusted.
What I want is for Joe to get in front of the cameras and turn into Dark Brandon - annihilate & publicly lambast this asshole of a mango.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 20, 2024 12:35 PM (JCZqz)
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Congressmen do not have a salary commiserate with the power and responsibility they hold. Find me the private sector man who is as powerful as a congressman, and tell me what his salary is.
TBH I'd be fine with substantial increases in the salary of Congress with the following caveats:
1) All assets have to go into a blind trust so they can't pull a Pelosi and get rich of insider trading
2) There are massive personal penalties for increasing the national debt - as I suggested above they lose not just salary but WEALTH if they allow more debt.
TBH I'd be fine with substantial increases in the salary of Congress with the following caveats:
1) All assets have to go into a blind trust so they can't pull a Pelosi and get rich of insider trading
2) There are massive personal penalties for increasing the national debt - as I suggested above they lose not just salary but WEALTH if they allow more debt.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:35 PM (oZhjI)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:35 PM (Zz0t1)
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My work is having a town hall right now to discuss changes they are making to try to ward off being closed down or moved to a cheaper cost of living state.
I will lose my remote work option, must go to hybrid and be in the office in Boulder 3x/week. I can live with it, but it is annoying to hear them going "its because of evil Elon and orangeman bad" Of course it is beyond considering that it might actually be better to be located in Oklahoma since the mission is weather research.
I will lose my remote work option, must go to hybrid and be in the office in Boulder 3x/week. I can live with it, but it is annoying to hear them going "its because of evil Elon and orangeman bad" Of course it is beyond considering that it might actually be better to be located in Oklahoma since the mission is weather research.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 20, 2024 12:36 PM (UKUm3)
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I think some Republicans really want that pay raise and really want that Democrat spending.
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Alternatively, we could just leave the government "shut down" and save some deficit spending (and the inflation it causes) that way.
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Alternatively, we could just leave the government "shut down" and save some deficit spending (and the inflation it causes) that way.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2024 12:36 PM (Dnobf)
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>>@ChadPergram
>>Senior House Republican source says the trifecta of bills “would have to pass by suspension.” That means they need 2/3. Also, no Rules Committee process. That would slow it down and prompt a shutdown because the House couldn’t deal with this until after midnigh
>>Senior House Republican source says the trifecta of bills “would have to pass by suspension.” That means they need 2/3. Also, no Rules Committee process. That would slow it down and prompt a shutdown because the House couldn’t deal with this until after midnigh
Posted by: JackStraw at December 20, 2024 12:36 PM (LkLld)
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113 Heard all the pros and cons about this, here at the HQ this morning. What I like is the “ system” that the DC Vermin live by is getting all shook up.. more please.
exactly tubal
shut that garbage hole DOWN
exactly tubal
shut that garbage hole DOWN
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 20, 2024 12:36 PM (Pv3Rg)
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Trump Says a Shutdown Is "Biden's Problem to Solve". Still a POS who is loath to take any responsibility.
He's not in power yet, you imbecile.......
He's not in power yet, you imbecile.......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:37 PM (Zz0t1)
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What I find absolutely hilarious about this situation is that Biden is absolutely invisible… the guy who’s supposedly president and yet all the action is revolving around the president elect and his circle…
There was originally a gap from early Nov until March 4 between election and inauguration. That was obviously unworkable so they moved up inauguration to Jan 20…. I think it oughta be moved up even further. Make it Jan 1…. This gap is ridiculous
There was originally a gap from early Nov until March 4 between election and inauguration. That was obviously unworkable so they moved up inauguration to Jan 20…. I think it oughta be moved up even further. Make it Jan 1…. This gap is ridiculous
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:37 PM (P/Wjn)
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retards are trying to do.
As usual, they've pushed everything to the last minute into a must pass CR, vomited forth at the 11th hour.
One of the ways you can tell the GOPe isn't a serious party is exactly this. Why not start on budgeting months before it is needed?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:33 PM (oZhjI)
They flat out SUCK at brinkmanship.
As usual, they've pushed everything to the last minute into a must pass CR, vomited forth at the 11th hour.
One of the ways you can tell the GOPe isn't a serious party is exactly this. Why not start on budgeting months before it is needed?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:33 PM (oZhjI)
They flat out SUCK at brinkmanship.
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 20, 2024 12:37 PM (Aqu9a)
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122 He created the problem, and he wants to blame Biden. It's time for Biden to take the boxing gloves off and explain it to the American people. One little tweet won't do, he needs to use his bully pulpit and explain to the American people why Trump wants the debt limit raised and how he raised the deficit the last time he was president.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 20, 2024 12:35 PM (JCZqz)
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Do these people now think the NYT is fake news?
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 20, 2024 12:35 PM (JCZqz)
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Do these people now think the NYT is fake news?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:37 PM (GBKbO)
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The idea of politicians being public servants is dead, right? Dead since when, since the time of whale oil lamps??
Posted by: tubal at December 20, 2024 12:37 PM (PCK5/)
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B/c for now, the Senate would sit on all bills and not pass them...and the House has more true Dems than true Rs...
Let the Senate sit on the bills then. That doesn't excuse the house not doing its job
B/c for now, the Senate would sit on all bills and not pass them...and the House has more true Dems than true Rs...
Let the Senate sit on the bills then. That doesn't excuse the house not doing its job
Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:37 PM (oZhjI)
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Ah, totally non-fascist:
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BREAKING: The European Union has approved the use of ‘self-replicating’ RNA jabs that spread ‘like a virus’ to unvaccinated people without their consent
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BREAKING: The European Union has approved the use of ‘self-replicating’ RNA jabs that spread ‘like a virus’ to unvaccinated people without their consent
Posted by: Axeman at December 20, 2024 12:37 PM (krQz2)
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I still want the government shut down, even if Team Red got an L out of this stupid theater.
Johnson has had 10 months since he became speaker to return to regular budgetary order. Instead, he just continued the stupid fucking CR show.
I literally don't give a shit about the federal government getting funded. Hell, even from the stupid optics perspective, none of this matters since we're as far from an election as possible.
Shut it down. Shut it down forever.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (GBKbO)
There's no reason to have a debt ceiling that nobody ever respects anyway. If we did, we wouldn't have 30+ trillion USD in debt right now, so I don't buy Chip Roy's rant for one second. Trump's right - just get rid of it, and give Dems a 'win' that never costed us anything in the first place.
Second, we should shut the gov't down. Now. Sharyl Atkisson had a great tweet yesterday on how this whole thing was theater created by Obama, with the suggestion of the media who wanted to paint the Rs as the heels in this WWE drama. The gov't doesn't 'shut down', only non-essential services. The people need to see that now.
Johnson has had 10 months since he became speaker to return to regular budgetary order. Instead, he just continued the stupid fucking CR show.
I literally don't give a shit about the federal government getting funded. Hell, even from the stupid optics perspective, none of this matters since we're as far from an election as possible.
Shut it down. Shut it down forever.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (GBKbO)
There's no reason to have a debt ceiling that nobody ever respects anyway. If we did, we wouldn't have 30+ trillion USD in debt right now, so I don't buy Chip Roy's rant for one second. Trump's right - just get rid of it, and give Dems a 'win' that never costed us anything in the first place.
Second, we should shut the gov't down. Now. Sharyl Atkisson had a great tweet yesterday on how this whole thing was theater created by Obama, with the suggestion of the media who wanted to paint the Rs as the heels in this WWE drama. The gov't doesn't 'shut down', only non-essential services. The people need to see that now.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 20, 2024 12:37 PM (fJJtc)
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TBH I'd be fine with substantial increases in the salary of Congress with the following caveats:
Absolutely not. We elect this jerks under the notion that they'll represent US - the voters - from the various states.
So why do so many of you constantly pivot back to the idea of them getting paid by the Federal Treasury ? They are PRECISELY there to be OUR check on the Federal Treasury !!!
Absolutely not. We elect this jerks under the notion that they'll represent US - the voters - from the various states.
So why do so many of you constantly pivot back to the idea of them getting paid by the Federal Treasury ? They are PRECISELY there to be OUR check on the Federal Treasury !!!
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 12:37 PM (yq9Cj)
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The debt ceiling shuffle is simply a tool that will never truly be used effectively and has not since it was passed during WWI. Congress always extends the debt ceiling because if the fed government ever defaults, interest rates will spike substantially and long lasting.
whig have I told you how much I appreciate you recently? your analysis is invaluable
whig have I told you how much I appreciate you recently? your analysis is invaluable
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 20, 2024 12:38 PM (Pv3Rg)
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Trump Says a Shutdown Is "Biden's Problem to Solve". Still a POS who is loath to take any responsibility.
I saw some lefty news org announcing that we now had "Trumpflation"
Which is funny because they had been denying there was any inflation up until that point and of course to your argument Trump isn't president yet to do anything about inflation
I saw some lefty news org announcing that we now had "Trumpflation"
Which is funny because they had been denying there was any inflation up until that point and of course to your argument Trump isn't president yet to do anything about inflation
Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:38 PM (oZhjI)
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125 My work is having a town hall right now to discuss changes they are making to try to ward off being closed down or moved to a cheaper cost of living state.
I will lose my remote work option, must go to hybrid and be in the office in Boulder 3x/week. I can live with it, but it is annoying to hear them going "its because of evil Elon and orangeman bad" Of course it is beyond considering that it might actually be better to be located in Oklahoma since the mission is weather research.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 20, 2024 12:36 PM (UKUm3)
Everyone is being forced back in by both parties...no one can float the cost of city budgets without employees in them...it doesn't matter that some work is better remote. It just matters that cities don't make budget cuts or go bankrupt...
I will lose my remote work option, must go to hybrid and be in the office in Boulder 3x/week. I can live with it, but it is annoying to hear them going "its because of evil Elon and orangeman bad" Of course it is beyond considering that it might actually be better to be located in Oklahoma since the mission is weather research.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 20, 2024 12:36 PM (UKUm3)
Everyone is being forced back in by both parties...no one can float the cost of city budgets without employees in them...it doesn't matter that some work is better remote. It just matters that cities don't make budget cuts or go bankrupt...
Posted by: Nova Local at December 20, 2024 12:38 PM (exHjb)
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I will lose my remote work option, must go to hybrid and be in the office in Boulder 3x/week. I can live with it, but it is annoying to hear them going "its because of evil Elon and orangeman bad" Of course it is beyond considering that it might actually be better to be located in Oklahoma since the mission is weather research.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 20, 2024 12:36 PM (UKUm3)
My neighbor had that happen a year or so ago. New female executive needed to make her presence felt, so she ruled that anyone living within a 30 mile radius from ANY office would need to come in, and scan their badge, at least 3 times a week.
Nevermind the guy's been working remote, including on call schedules, for 15 years.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 20, 2024 12:36 PM (UKUm3)
My neighbor had that happen a year or so ago. New female executive needed to make her presence felt, so she ruled that anyone living within a 30 mile radius from ANY office would need to come in, and scan their badge, at least 3 times a week.
Nevermind the guy's been working remote, including on call schedules, for 15 years.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:39 PM (Zz0t1)
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Do these people now think the NYT is fake news?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:37 PM (GBKbO)
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"The President" can veg out on a beach for ~ 3 weeks, and this doesn't phase them?
They think Biden somehow has the presence of mind to counter this?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:37 PM (GBKbO)
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"The President" can veg out on a beach for ~ 3 weeks, and this doesn't phase them?
They think Biden somehow has the presence of mind to counter this?
Posted by: Axeman at December 20, 2024 12:39 PM (krQz2)
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I never liked Frosty the Snowman. Even as a little kid, I thought he was weird and creepy. When I got a little older, I realized why: he's not wearing any fucking pants. It’s a naked dude playing with little kids. "Come with me, little boys! I got cookies and candy in my van." There's no way his character design wasn't intended as perverted groomer shit. None.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (iFTx/)
Your description of Frosty also applies to Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Donald Duck, Porky Pig and other beloved cartoon characters…. I think it’s because they’re animals. I don’t believe Walt Disney was into pedo stuff or grooming
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:28 PM (ZtAny)
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Yes, but they are animals. Frosty was a SnowMAN. He was clearly intended as a man made out of snow. That's weirder than naked cartoon animals. Animals are naturally naked. It's not like Elmer Fudd had no pants.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 20, 2024 12:20 PM (iFTx/)
Your description of Frosty also applies to Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Donald Duck, Porky Pig and other beloved cartoon characters…. I think it’s because they’re animals. I don’t believe Walt Disney was into pedo stuff or grooming
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:28 PM (ZtAny)
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Yes, but they are animals. Frosty was a SnowMAN. He was clearly intended as a man made out of snow. That's weirder than naked cartoon animals. Animals are naturally naked. It's not like Elmer Fudd had no pants.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 20, 2024 12:39 PM (iFTx/)
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OT:
Early Merry Christmas, morons.
I'm heading to Minneapolis to visit family and will be offline for a week.
Have fun, buy ammo just in case though.
Early Merry Christmas, morons.
I'm heading to Minneapolis to visit family and will be offline for a week.
Have fun, buy ammo just in case though.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at December 20, 2024 12:39 PM (xcxpd)
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BREAKING: The European Union has approved the use of ‘self-replicating’ RNA jabs that spread ‘like a virus’ to unvaccinated people without their consent.
If true ? Congrats. That's how we all die. Not joking. That's a true Global Pandemic just waiting to happen. It'll take less than a decade.
If true ? Congrats. That's how we all die. Not joking. That's a true Global Pandemic just waiting to happen. It'll take less than a decade.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 12:39 PM (yq9Cj)
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#120 Thank you, whig.
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (hovnC)
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I’ll tell you what bothers me a tiny bit (just a little): From appearances it seems like Musk and Vivek got out in front of Trump to create this little mini-crisis. I like both a lot but they weren’t elected… I’d prefer that they follow Trump’s lead, not the other way around
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (P/Wjn)
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Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 20, 2024 12:26 PM (hovnC)
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No one here is addressing the reason why it is Trump's preference to have the debt limit increase. Curious.
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No one here is addressing the reason why it is Trump's preference to have the debt limit increase. Curious.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (SsHSK)
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This current CR situation is precisely the moment to fight the out of control Federal spending. The CR I am looking for is one funded from across the board budget reductions. No debt ceiling increase. Fund it from cuts.
As for all the Federal employees, minus the military and border patrol, no back pay. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay people for not doing anything; effectively a government shutdown for the employees is no different that a major corporation laying off people. Suck it up buttercups.
And the CR should be for 30 days. Let this BS be revisited over and over and over and over until Congress starts behaving in a manner that is beneficial for the long term national health. Without drastic fiscal and government culture changes we are headed into a catastrophe that will make the current disaster, that is the Federal government, look like a utopia.
And if not, shut it down for the next year, two, or three. This will eventually get Congress focused on what matters. And in the interim the essential parts of the government will get funded and the unessential will wither away.
As for all the Federal employees, minus the military and border patrol, no back pay. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay people for not doing anything; effectively a government shutdown for the employees is no different that a major corporation laying off people. Suck it up buttercups.
And the CR should be for 30 days. Let this BS be revisited over and over and over and over until Congress starts behaving in a manner that is beneficial for the long term national health. Without drastic fiscal and government culture changes we are headed into a catastrophe that will make the current disaster, that is the Federal government, look like a utopia.
And if not, shut it down for the next year, two, or three. This will eventually get Congress focused on what matters. And in the interim the essential parts of the government will get funded and the unessential will wither away.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (e+6P0)
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Now, it's December and we have to hear wailing about how non-essential federal employees might not get paid on Christmas, or something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:34 PM (GBKbO)
Considering 'federal employees'... (with apologies to a couple 'rons who are gov employees) fuck em.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:34 PM (GBKbO)
Considering 'federal employees'... (with apologies to a couple 'rons who are gov employees) fuck em.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 12:41 PM (bss/y)
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Nope, it'll stick to Joe. The orange piece of shit gets away with EVERYTHING. If the Government does shut down it’ll be Biden’s fault. 🤬
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It's almost as if Trump isn't president yet!
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It's almost as if Trump isn't president yet!
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 20, 2024 12:41 PM (hovnC)
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It's time to pass a law that the federal legislative branch is not paid unless and until it passes a new budget for the executive by department, judicial, and legislative branches each fiscal year.
I'm dreaming, I know.
I'm dreaming, I know.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 20, 2024 12:41 PM (VNX3d)
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Why not pass a budget under regular rules and procedure? I know, I know, stop laughing!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at December 20, 2024 12:41 PM (NWqJf)
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147 I’ll tell you what bothers me a tiny bit (just a little): From appearances it seems like Musk and Vivek got out in front of Trump to create this little mini-crisis. I like both a lot but they weren’t elected… I’d prefer that they follow Trump’s lead, not the other way around
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (P/Wjn)
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Two people outside of government pointing to how those inside government are fucking those outside government are not the ones creating a crisis.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (P/Wjn)
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Two people outside of government pointing to how those inside government are fucking those outside government are not the ones creating a crisis.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:41 PM (GBKbO)
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Upon entering office in January, I would love to see the President call a special session of Congress, and then introduce Thomas Sowell to give a lecture on basic finances. Treat them like students. Publicize the hell out of it. Insult their intelligence by dropping a "refresher course" on them.
The message being...you folks have no idea what you're doing, so I feel obligated to try and educate you for the good of the country and your constituents.
The message being...you folks have no idea what you're doing, so I feel obligated to try and educate you for the good of the country and your constituents.
Posted by: Orson at December 20, 2024 12:41 PM (dIske)
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148 Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 20, 2024 12:26 PM (hovnC)
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No one here is addressing the reason why it is Trump's preference to have the debt limit increase. Curious.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (SsHSK)
I think this might fall under the awkward category.
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No one here is addressing the reason why it is Trump's preference to have the debt limit increase. Curious.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (SsHSK)
I think this might fall under the awkward category.
Posted by: tubal at December 20, 2024 12:41 PM (PCK5/)
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All about looting the country
Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2024 12:42 PM (XMpgl)
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I am so over the posturing.and grandstanding. Even when we win we lose.Congress is a bunch of scumbags, the whole lot of them.
Posted by: Tj at December 20, 2024 12:42 PM (jqIMt)
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No one here is addressing the reason why it is Trump's preference to have the debt limit increase. Curious.
so the gov asshole types (R and D) don't fuck him over with the debt ceiling BS for a year like they did last time, wasting his time until they got all the goodies they wanted?
Im thinking that's why
so the gov asshole types (R and D) don't fuck him over with the debt ceiling BS for a year like they did last time, wasting his time until they got all the goodies they wanted?
Im thinking that's why
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 20, 2024 12:42 PM (Pv3Rg)
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145 BREAKING: The European Union has approved the use of ‘self-replicating’ RNA jabs that spread ‘like a virus’ to unvaccinated people without their consent.
If true ? Congrats. That's how we all die. Not joking. That's a true Global Pandemic just waiting to happen. It'll take less than a decade.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 12:39 PM (yq9Cj)
Everyone is starting to look cross wise at the Vax and you decide to do a self-blowing one?
Too stupid to live. Darwin's waiting room.
If true ? Congrats. That's how we all die. Not joking. That's a true Global Pandemic just waiting to happen. It'll take less than a decade.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 12:39 PM (yq9Cj)
Everyone is starting to look cross wise at the Vax and you decide to do a self-blowing one?
Too stupid to live. Darwin's waiting room.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 12:42 PM (bss/y)
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Good afternoon Ace and everyone
Posted by: Skip at December 20, 2024 12:42 PM (XMpgl)
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As for all the Federal employees, minus the military and border patrol, no back pay. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay people for not doing anything; effectively a government shutdown for the employees is no different that a major corporation laying off people. Suck it up buttercups."
The Government Employee Fair Treatment Act, signed into law in 2019, guarantees that furloughed government employees receive backpay once a shutdown ends. You WILL pay them b/c this law won't be overturned by a 2 vote House and Senate majority...
The Government Employee Fair Treatment Act, signed into law in 2019, guarantees that furloughed government employees receive backpay once a shutdown ends. You WILL pay them b/c this law won't be overturned by a 2 vote House and Senate majority...
Posted by: Nova Local at December 20, 2024 12:42 PM (exHjb)
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156 No one here is addressing the reason why it is Trump's preference to have the debt limit increase. Curious.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (SsHSK)
I think this might fall under the awkward category.
Posted by: tubal at December 20, 2024 12:41 PM (PCK5/)
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Because, at this point, the debt ceiling is stupid and meaningless.
If it gets raised every time we get close, then it's not a ceiling.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (SsHSK)
I think this might fall under the awkward category.
Posted by: tubal at December 20, 2024 12:41 PM (PCK5/)
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Because, at this point, the debt ceiling is stupid and meaningless.
If it gets raised every time we get close, then it's not a ceiling.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:42 PM (GBKbO)
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No one here is addressing the reason why it is Trump's preference to have the debt limit increase. Curious.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (SsHSK)
Because he wants to cut taxes and tax cuts are considered spending by congressional rules. So in order to deliver the tax cuts to the American People he would have to raise the debt limit.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (SsHSK)
Because he wants to cut taxes and tax cuts are considered spending by congressional rules. So in order to deliver the tax cuts to the American People he would have to raise the debt limit.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 20, 2024 12:42 PM (pVWRI)
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What I want is for Joe to get in front of the cameras and turn into Dark Brandon - annihilate & publicly lambast this asshole of a mango.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 20, 2024 12:35 PM (JCZqz)
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LOL!
The Cult of Biden.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 20, 2024 12:35 PM (JCZqz)
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LOL!
The Cult of Biden.
Posted by: Axeman at December 20, 2024 12:42 PM (krQz2)
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Considering 'federal employees'... (with apologies to a couple 'rons who are gov employees) fuck em.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 12:41 PM (bss/y)
Step-sis is a civilian contractor for the Army and Step-brother is one for Space Force.
Sorry about your chosen path, but this is necessary for the future of the republic.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 12:41 PM (bss/y)
Step-sis is a civilian contractor for the Army and Step-brother is one for Space Force.
Sorry about your chosen path, but this is necessary for the future of the republic.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:42 PM (Zz0t1)
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PS - And note Trump signed that law into play...
Posted by: Nova Local at December 20, 2024 12:42 PM (exHjb)
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (ctrM5)
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Really, passing separate single purpose bills is a step in the right direction. If they can do it!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (NWqJf)
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158 I am so over the posturing.and grandstanding. Even when we win we lose.Congress is a bunch of scumbags, the whole lot of them.
they clearly are. they've proven to be so for my entire life, even the ones I thought I liked end up showing their true colors. they are thieves and liars and fakes.
but sure. this is trump's fault
they clearly are. they've proven to be so for my entire life, even the ones I thought I liked end up showing their true colors. they are thieves and liars and fakes.
but sure. this is trump's fault
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (Pv3Rg)
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Trump will be in a much better position to "negotiate" with vulnerable Dems after he takes the oath of office.
Dems are in a worse position. With Trump as president-elect and January 20 fast approaching, they'll finally figure out that they will get the blame for a shutdown by voting against a "clean" CR. The MSM has been utterly discredited. Trump has a record-level approval rating. The Dems will lose control of the Senate, and Slow Joe is still president and vice-president Harris is still in office. Push harder, Republicans.
Dems are in a worse position. With Trump as president-elect and January 20 fast approaching, they'll finally figure out that they will get the blame for a shutdown by voting against a "clean" CR. The MSM has been utterly discredited. Trump has a record-level approval rating. The Dems will lose control of the Senate, and Slow Joe is still president and vice-president Harris is still in office. Push harder, Republicans.
Posted by: mrp at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (rj6Yv)
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House brinksmanship is a terrible way to run the most powerful country on earth. The obvious response is to give them a pay raise!
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (SsHSK)
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123 Congressmen do not have a salary commiserate with the power and responsibility they hold. Find me the private sector man who is as powerful as a congressman, and tell me what his salary is.
TBH I'd be fine with substantial increases in the salary of Congress with the following caveats:
1) All assets have to go into a blind trust so they can't pull a Pelosi and get rich of insider trading
2) There are massive personal penalties for increasing the national debt - as I suggested above they lose not just salary but WEALTH if they allow more debt.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:35 PM (oZhjI)
A Moron (Kindltot?) made this case this week, so it's worth repeating. If you pay a Congressman $175K, it's not a big lift to get people to vote for a bartender to take the job. If you pay a Congressman $500K, you'd best believe you'll think twice before you vote for a midwit to get far more money than the average person makes. Besides, you'll make it worth the while of a competent middle or senior manager (or small company CEO) to throw their hat in the ring. The skills a businessperson has translate very well to government work - much better than even a career politician.
TBH I'd be fine with substantial increases in the salary of Congress with the following caveats:
1) All assets have to go into a blind trust so they can't pull a Pelosi and get rich of insider trading
2) There are massive personal penalties for increasing the national debt - as I suggested above they lose not just salary but WEALTH if they allow more debt.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:35 PM (oZhjI)
A Moron (Kindltot?) made this case this week, so it's worth repeating. If you pay a Congressman $175K, it's not a big lift to get people to vote for a bartender to take the job. If you pay a Congressman $500K, you'd best believe you'll think twice before you vote for a midwit to get far more money than the average person makes. Besides, you'll make it worth the while of a competent middle or senior manager (or small company CEO) to throw their hat in the ring. The skills a businessperson has translate very well to government work - much better than even a career politician.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (fJJtc)
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If it gets raised every time we get close, then it's not a ceiling.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:42 PM (GBKbO)
But it makes them FEEL better about it. After all, everything is about the FEELZ now.
If it gets raised every time we get close, then it's not a ceiling.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:42 PM (GBKbO)
But it makes them FEEL better about it. After all, everything is about the FEELZ now.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (Zz0t1)
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Yes, but they are animals. Frosty was a SnowMAN. He was clearly intended as a man made out of snow. That's weirder than naked cartoon animals. Animals are naturally naked. It's not like Elmer Fudd had no pants.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 20, 2024 12:39 PM (iFTx/)
I admit; you’re right! Didn’t think about that aspect. Probably because I always like Frosty as a kid
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 20, 2024 12:39 PM (iFTx/)
I admit; you’re right! Didn’t think about that aspect. Probably because I always like Frosty as a kid
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (+kWhq)
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Trump Says a Shutdown Is "Biden's Problem to Solve". Still a POS who is loath to take any responsibility.
He's not in power yet, you imbecile.......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:37 PM (Zz0t1)
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It's amazing the double-think these limpdicks have for Trump. On the one hand, Trump's a megalomaniac would-be strongman who tries to control and manipulate everything. But as we see from this quote, he's also a weak fence-sitter looking to avoid taking charge. Well: which is it, you fucksticks??
He's not in power yet, you imbecile.......
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:37 PM (Zz0t1)
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It's amazing the double-think these limpdicks have for Trump. On the one hand, Trump's a megalomaniac would-be strongman who tries to control and manipulate everything. But as we see from this quote, he's also a weak fence-sitter looking to avoid taking charge. Well: which is it, you fucksticks??
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (iFTx/)
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No one here is addressing the reason why it is Trump's preference to have the debt limit increase. Curious.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (SsHSK)
Because he wants to cut taxes and tax cuts are considered spending by congressional rules. So in order to deliver the tax cuts to the American People he would have to raise the debt limit.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 20, 2024 12:42 PM (pVWRI)
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Bingo!
"Spending in the tax code" is how tax cuts are often phrased on the floor.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (SsHSK)
Because he wants to cut taxes and tax cuts are considered spending by congressional rules. So in order to deliver the tax cuts to the American People he would have to raise the debt limit.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 20, 2024 12:42 PM (pVWRI)
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Bingo!
"Spending in the tax code" is how tax cuts are often phrased on the floor.
Posted by: Axeman at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (krQz2)
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OT: Breaking - Party City is permanently closing all stores. Today is the last day for employees to work.
Posted by: Nova Local at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (exHjb)
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Looks like we might need a military intervention in Europe for the 3rd time, again to deal with the rise of authoritarian despots. And I don't mean Vlad
This time lets not let the Euros have self government afterwards - they don't know how to use it or maintain it.
This time lets not let the Euros have self government afterwards - they don't know how to use it or maintain it.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (oZhjI)
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>>I think this might fall under the awkward category.
It's not awkward. He wants to renew his tax cuts.
It's not awkward. He wants to renew his tax cuts.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 20, 2024 12:44 PM (LkLld)
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179 Looks like we might need a military intervention in Europe for the 3rd time, again to deal with the rise of authoritarian despots. And I don't mean Vlad
This time lets not let the Euros have self government afterwards - they don't know how to use it or maintain it.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (oZhjI)
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Nah.
Let 'em be.
We've got bigger problems. Let Europe sort itself out.
This time lets not let the Euros have self government afterwards - they don't know how to use it or maintain it.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (oZhjI)
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Nah.
Let 'em be.
We've got bigger problems. Let Europe sort itself out.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:44 PM (GBKbO)
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I like both a lot but they weren’t elected… I’d prefer that they follow Trump’s lead, not the other way around
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (P/Wjn)
Do you really think Biden was elected?
Or that he has led for the last 4 years?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (P/Wjn)
Do you really think Biden was elected?
Or that he has led for the last 4 years?
Posted by: Vlad at December 20, 2024 12:44 PM (Djkcg)
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Who remembers how devastating the last shutdown was and what a huge impact it made?
Yeah...me neither.
Sharyl Atkisson said today on X that for the shutdown in 2014 the media helped Obama come up with things to shut down so they could then report that the Republicans were mean.
Yeah...me neither.
Sharyl Atkisson said today on X that for the shutdown in 2014 the media helped Obama come up with things to shut down so they could then report that the Republicans were mean.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 20, 2024 12:45 PM (2ocoG)
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Shut it down. Shut it down forever.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
That would make it a heck of alot easier for the two Bobs.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
That would make it a heck of alot easier for the two Bobs.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Justice for Ashli at December 20, 2024 12:45 PM (goY6W)
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It's amazing the double-think these limpdicks have for Trump. On the one hand, Trump's a megalomaniac would-be strongman who tries to control and manipulate everything. But as we see from this quote, he's also a weak fence-sitter looking to avoid taking charge. Well: which is it, you fucksticks??
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (iFTx/)
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Here's what I noticed about Prog psychology.
It's both. Both of them say that Trump is a bad man. Thus they are consistent with the case that Trump is a bad man. Thus they both get at what they view as the essential Orangemanbad truth.
Which, oddly enough is The Truth, not just "Their truth".
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (iFTx/)
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Here's what I noticed about Prog psychology.
It's both. Both of them say that Trump is a bad man. Thus they are consistent with the case that Trump is a bad man. Thus they both get at what they view as the essential Orangemanbad truth.
Which, oddly enough is The Truth, not just "Their truth".
Posted by: Axeman at December 20, 2024 12:45 PM (krQz2)
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If it gets raised every time we get close, then it's not a ceiling.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:42 PM (GBKbO)
But it makes them FEEL better about it. After all, everything is about the FEELZ now.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (Zz0t1)
Plus, without the debt ceiling... well it might be better in the long run. No one will ever address spending and just spend more and more and more until the whole thing collapses. Practically, I think that is the only way anything ever changes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:42 PM (GBKbO)
But it makes them FEEL better about it. After all, everything is about the FEELZ now.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (Zz0t1)
Plus, without the debt ceiling... well it might be better in the long run. No one will ever address spending and just spend more and more and more until the whole thing collapses. Practically, I think that is the only way anything ever changes.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 12:45 PM (bss/y)
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This current CR situation is precisely the moment to fight the out of control Federal spending. The CR I am looking for is one funded from across the board budget reductions. No debt ceiling increase. Fund it from cuts.
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This.
If Trump wants tax cuts, and they have to be 'paid for' then do it with further cuts to other federal spending. If this results in higher receipts, then use those to pay off the national debt.
This is not hard to understand.
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This.
If Trump wants tax cuts, and they have to be 'paid for' then do it with further cuts to other federal spending. If this results in higher receipts, then use those to pay off the national debt.
This is not hard to understand.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2024 12:45 PM (Dnobf)
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The Government Employee Fair Treatment Act, signed into law in 2019, guarantees that furloughed government employees receive backpay once a shutdown ends. You WILL pay them b/c this law won't be overturned by a 2 vote House and Senate majority...
Posted by: Nova Local
Yep. It is a rigged game. The solution it seems is to shut it down until they quit.
Posted by: Nova Local
Yep. It is a rigged game. The solution it seems is to shut it down until they quit.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at December 20, 2024 12:46 PM (e+6P0)
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38 . It’s a naked dude playing with little kids. "Come with me, little boys! I got cookies and candy in my van." There's no way his character design wasn't intended as perverted groomer shit. None.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
I think you put the carrot in the wrong place.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
I think you put the carrot in the wrong place.
Posted by: front toward enemy at December 20, 2024 12:46 PM (TIizU)
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187 This current CR situation is precisely the moment to fight the out of control Federal spending. The CR I am looking for is one funded from across the board budget reductions. No debt ceiling increase. Fund it from cuts.
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This.
If Trump wants tax cuts, and they have to be 'paid for' then do it with further cuts to other federal spending. If this results in higher receipts, then use those to pay off the national debt.
This is not hard to understand.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2024 12:45 PM (Dnobf)
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Crisis and opportunity.
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This.
If Trump wants tax cuts, and they have to be 'paid for' then do it with further cuts to other federal spending. If this results in higher receipts, then use those to pay off the national debt.
This is not hard to understand.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2024 12:45 PM (Dnobf)
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Crisis and opportunity.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:46 PM (GBKbO)
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If it gets raised every time we get close, then it's not a ceiling.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:42 PM (GBKbO)
But it makes them FEEL better about it. After all, everything is about the FEELZ now.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (Zz0t1)
No matter who it is, when they get in power they spend like drunken sailors because it is other people’s money… what differs is what they spend it on.
If it gets raised every time we get close, then it's not a ceiling.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:42 PM (GBKbO)
But it makes them FEEL better about it. After all, everything is about the FEELZ now.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (Zz0t1)
No matter who it is, when they get in power they spend like drunken sailors because it is other people’s money… what differs is what they spend it on.
Posted by: tubal at December 20, 2024 12:46 PM (PCK5/)
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I didn't want live into my 80s I mean 30s anyways.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at December 20, 2024 12:46 PM (j4BnS)
Posted by: E Buzz at December 20, 2024 12:46 PM (JROaS)
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Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (oZhjI)
Europe has the governments we allow them to have. The best thing for them, and us, is to be released from the post-war arrangement.
Europe has the governments we allow them to have. The best thing for them, and us, is to be released from the post-war arrangement.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at December 20, 2024 12:46 PM (5IFb9)
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OT: Breaking - Party City is permanently closing all stores. Today is the last day for employees to work.
Ace's go-to description of trannies as "men wearing a Party City wig" hardest hit.
Ace's go-to description of trannies as "men wearing a Party City wig" hardest hit.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 20, 2024 12:46 PM (2ocoG)
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147 I’ll tell you what bothers me a tiny bit (just a little): From appearances it seems like Musk and Vivek got out in front of Trump to create this little mini-crisis. I like both a lot but they weren’t elected… I’d prefer that they follow Trump’s lead, not the other way around
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (P/Wjn)
Good cop, bad cop. Trump is comfortable letting everyone fight it out, while Daddy sits back and makes the final decision when necessary. Nothing is happening without his knowledge and consent, even now.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (P/Wjn)
Good cop, bad cop. Trump is comfortable letting everyone fight it out, while Daddy sits back and makes the final decision when necessary. Nothing is happening without his knowledge and consent, even now.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 20, 2024 12:46 PM (fJJtc)
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181 179 Looks like we might need a military intervention in Europe for the 3rd time, again to deal with the rise of authoritarian despots. And I don't mean Vlad
This time lets not let the Euros have self government afterwards - they don't know how to use it or maintain it.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (oZhjI)
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Nah.
Let 'em be.
We've got bigger problems. Let Europe sort itself out.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher
Except for military bases, what do they really offer us? WEF? Snobbery?
The only part I'd miss is some of the architecture and works they made when they were relevant.
This time lets not let the Euros have self government afterwards - they don't know how to use it or maintain it.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (oZhjI)
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Nah.
Let 'em be.
We've got bigger problems. Let Europe sort itself out.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher
Except for military bases, what do they really offer us? WEF? Snobbery?
The only part I'd miss is some of the architecture and works they made when they were relevant.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 20, 2024 12:47 PM (VNX3d)
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have we addressed the WSJ article about how joetato was never functional?
and yet his appointments and EOs and thousands of pardons are somehow ok!???
we need to make a fucking stink about this. it's high treason by a whole fuckton of people
sorry im really mad about this! and I blame both parties in govt for this as well! Rs knew too!
and yet his appointments and EOs and thousands of pardons are somehow ok!???
we need to make a fucking stink about this. it's high treason by a whole fuckton of people
sorry im really mad about this! and I blame both parties in govt for this as well! Rs knew too!
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 20, 2024 12:47 PM (Pv3Rg)
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It’s getting a lot harder to give the democrats everything that they wanted! Damn you Trump!
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 20, 2024 12:47 PM (nxgXe)
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Sharyl Atkisson said today on X that for the shutdown in 2014 the media helped Obama come up with things to shut down so they could then report that the Republicans were mean.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 20, 2024 12:45 PM (2ocoG)
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I remember reporters camping out in front the DC monuments looking for vacationers who came to Washington and couldn't view anything. They, also, camped out at the entrance to national parks to get the same reaction....only you could still enter the National Parks at the time, so they were making it up.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 20, 2024 12:45 PM (2ocoG)
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I remember reporters camping out in front the DC monuments looking for vacationers who came to Washington and couldn't view anything. They, also, camped out at the entrance to national parks to get the same reaction....only you could still enter the National Parks at the time, so they were making it up.
Posted by: Orson at December 20, 2024 12:47 PM (dIske)
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The debt ceiling shuffle is simply a tool that will never truly be used effectively and has not since it was passed during WWI.
I think this is not actually true. At issue is the mistaken belief that the purpose of the debt ceiling is to limit debt. It isn't. The purpose is to provide Congress with an impending crisis which allows them to betray the voters. It's worked perfectly every time.
I think this is not actually true. At issue is the mistaken belief that the purpose of the debt ceiling is to limit debt. It isn't. The purpose is to provide Congress with an impending crisis which allows them to betray the voters. It's worked perfectly every time.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 20, 2024 12:47 PM (ExV1e)
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No one here is addressing the reason why it is Trump's preference to have the debt limit increase. Curious.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (SsHSK)
He's a tax and spend guy. If left unchecked, the debt will rise under him. Not by any accounting trick ... it'll go up.
The budget has to balance, or this country dies. I really don't care if that pisses off Trump or his supporters either.
Did I address it plainly enough ?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 12:40 PM (SsHSK)
He's a tax and spend guy. If left unchecked, the debt will rise under him. Not by any accounting trick ... it'll go up.
The budget has to balance, or this country dies. I really don't care if that pisses off Trump or his supporters either.
Did I address it plainly enough ?
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 12:47 PM (yq9Cj)
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188 The Government Employee Fair Treatment Act, signed into law in 2019, guarantees that furloughed government employees receive backpay once a shutdown ends. You WILL pay them b/c this law won't be overturned by a 2 vote House and Senate majority...
Posted by: Nova Local
Yep. It is a rigged game. The solution it seems is to shut it down until they quit.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at December 20, 2024 12:46 PM (e+6P0)
Unlikely they'll quit knowing it's paid vacation for most.
More likely to get them to quit ending remote work, which requires government to be open.
Posted by: Nova Local
Yep. It is a rigged game. The solution it seems is to shut it down until they quit.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at December 20, 2024 12:46 PM (e+6P0)
Unlikely they'll quit knowing it's paid vacation for most.
More likely to get them to quit ending remote work, which requires government to be open.
Posted by: Nova Local at December 20, 2024 12:47 PM (exHjb)
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When the Euros institute those infectious "vaccines", I think we need to push Trump to shut travel from Europe down.
We didn't okay that shit in this country. And they'd still be infectious.
Come to think of it, there is probably a way to do it under laws about traveling while infectious.
We didn't okay that shit in this country. And they'd still be infectious.
Come to think of it, there is probably a way to do it under laws about traveling while infectious.
Posted by: Axeman at December 20, 2024 12:47 PM (krQz2)
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>Sharyl Atkisson said today on X that for the shutdown in 2014 the media helped Obama come up with things to shut down so they could then report that the Republicans were mean.
Shutting down memorials, which were zero-maintenance before they started keeping people out, was a taste of 2021 coof fuckery.
Shutting down memorials, which were zero-maintenance before they started keeping people out, was a taste of 2021 coof fuckery.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 20, 2024 12:48 PM (lhenN)
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Trump wants the debt ceiling increase, because Biden is in a big ass hurry now making commitments that Trump administration will have to pay/solve. At least initially, and Tump-Vance does not want to end up screwed out of their own agenda, by being saddles with old Biden agenda. Hope that helps. And I hope it is explained to the American people.
Posted by: runner at December 20, 2024 12:48 PM (QTCRF)
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Do you really think Biden was elected?
Or that he has led for the last 4 years?
Posted by: Vlad at December 20, 2024 12:44 PM (Djkcg)
No I think Biden stole 2020. I was talking about Trump
Or that he has led for the last 4 years?
Posted by: Vlad at December 20, 2024 12:44 PM (Djkcg)
No I think Biden stole 2020. I was talking about Trump
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:48 PM (+kWhq)
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180 >>I think this might fall under the awkward category.
It's not awkward. He wants to renew his tax cuts.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 20, 2024 12:44 PM (LkLld)
Oooh, I like tax cuts!!! I benefit directly from those..
It's not awkward. He wants to renew his tax cuts.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 20, 2024 12:44 PM (LkLld)
Oooh, I like tax cuts!!! I benefit directly from those..
Posted by: tubal at December 20, 2024 12:48 PM (PCK5/)
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*saddled !
Posted by: runner at December 20, 2024 12:48 PM (QTCRF)
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What's worse the Pentagon lying about how many troops are in Syria or actually not knowing?
Posted by: steevy at December 20, 2024 12:48 PM (KQk9m)
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Linus, I think Donald duck is the only Disney character in your list.
Posted by: From about That Time at December 20, 2024 12:48 PM (4780s)
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so the gov asshole types (R and D) don't fuck him over with the debt ceiling BS for a year like they did last time, wasting his time until they got all the goodies they wanted?
Im thinking that's why
Posted by: BlackOrchid
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I recall reading that it would have tied Trump's hands for 2 years but 1 year is as bad.
Im thinking that's why
Posted by: BlackOrchid
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I recall reading that it would have tied Trump's hands for 2 years but 1 year is as bad.
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 20, 2024 12:49 PM (hovnC)
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95 Anyone have a calculator handy?
The Truth@TruthPromoter
Here is a detailed breakdown of the spending allocations in the American Relief Act 2025:
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 20, 2024 12:31 PM (hovnC)
$8,000,000,000 to build a Francis Scott Key Bridge replacement in Baltimore, per a tweet Instapundit posted today. Jeebus.
The Truth@TruthPromoter
Here is a detailed breakdown of the spending allocations in the American Relief Act 2025:
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 20, 2024 12:31 PM (hovnC)
$8,000,000,000 to build a Francis Scott Key Bridge replacement in Baltimore, per a tweet Instapundit posted today. Jeebus.
Posted by: Gref at December 20, 2024 12:49 PM (aBgBM)
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The Bowl Brush just said Vet Benefits will suffer if they shut her down. BS. Hospitals and clinics stay open, the checks are in the mail.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 20, 2024 12:49 PM (gm9Sb)
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Sowell is too old. He’s in his nineties and has withdrawn from public life. We would need somebody younger. Any suggestions?
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at December 20, 2024 12:49 PM (hAS73)
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206 Trump wants the debt ceiling increase, because Biden is in a big ass hurry now making commitments that Trump administration will have to pay/solve. At least initially, and Tump-Vance does not want to end up screwed out of their own agenda, by being saddles with old Biden agenda. Hope that helps. And I hope it is explained to the American people.
well said runner
how about the Rs in congress who continue to facilitate this? they aren't eating shit they are ALSO STEALING
well said runner
how about the Rs in congress who continue to facilitate this? they aren't eating shit they are ALSO STEALING
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 20, 2024 12:49 PM (Pv3Rg)
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Posted by: 18-1 at December 20, 2024 12:35 PM (oZhjI)
A Moron (Kindltot?) made this case this week, so it's worth repeating. If you pay a Congressman $175K, it's not a big lift to get people to vote for a bartender to take the job. If you pay a Congressman $500K, you'd best believe you'll think twice before you vote for a midwit to get far more money than the average person makes. Besides, you'll make it worth the while of a competent middle or senior manager (or small company CEO) to throw their hat in the ring. The skills a businessperson has translate very well to government work - much better than even a career politician.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (fJJtc)
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True, but no matter how much you paid these John Gacy clowns, you would continue to get the same low-quality scumbags. The entry to politics is such that anyone with half a brain is filtered out. Especially in heavily populated areas, where getting a foot in the door is almost solely machine politics. Sure, there are some exceptions, but they are exceptions. If you raised the pay to $500k, you would still overwhelmingly get bartenders and shitheads and retards.
A Moron (Kindltot?) made this case this week, so it's worth repeating. If you pay a Congressman $175K, it's not a big lift to get people to vote for a bartender to take the job. If you pay a Congressman $500K, you'd best believe you'll think twice before you vote for a midwit to get far more money than the average person makes. Besides, you'll make it worth the while of a competent middle or senior manager (or small company CEO) to throw their hat in the ring. The skills a businessperson has translate very well to government work - much better than even a career politician.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (fJJtc)
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True, but no matter how much you paid these John Gacy clowns, you would continue to get the same low-quality scumbags. The entry to politics is such that anyone with half a brain is filtered out. Especially in heavily populated areas, where getting a foot in the door is almost solely machine politics. Sure, there are some exceptions, but they are exceptions. If you raised the pay to $500k, you would still overwhelmingly get bartenders and shitheads and retards.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 20, 2024 12:49 PM (iFTx/)
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OT:
I am ordering a pizza for the first time in months (maybe a year.) The tracker thingee has messages as it progresses. The current one is 'The Quality Captain is checking your order.'
I wonder if at shift change the oncoming qa guy looks at the one from the prior shift:
'Cap'n'
The other nods back manfully.
'Cap'n'
I am ordering a pizza for the first time in months (maybe a year.) The tracker thingee has messages as it progresses. The current one is 'The Quality Captain is checking your order.'
I wonder if at shift change the oncoming qa guy looks at the one from the prior shift:
'Cap'n'
The other nods back manfully.
'Cap'n'
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 12:49 PM (bss/y)
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213 95 Anyone have a calculator handy?
The Truth@TruthPromoter
Here is a detailed breakdown of the spending allocations in the American Relief Act 2025:
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 20, 2024 12:31 PM (hovnC)
$8,000,000,000 to build a Francis Scott Key Bridge replacement in Baltimore, per a tweet Instapundit posted today. Jeebus.
Posted by: Gref at December 20, 2024 12:49 PM (aBgBM)
Maryland is requiring it to be DIE-built - that triples the cost...
The Truth@TruthPromoter
Here is a detailed breakdown of the spending allocations in the American Relief Act 2025:
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 20, 2024 12:31 PM (hovnC)
$8,000,000,000 to build a Francis Scott Key Bridge replacement in Baltimore, per a tweet Instapundit posted today. Jeebus.
Posted by: Gref at December 20, 2024 12:49 PM (aBgBM)
Maryland is requiring it to be DIE-built - that triples the cost...
Posted by: Nova Local at December 20, 2024 12:49 PM (exHjb)
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205 >Sharyl Atkisson said today on X that for the shutdown in 2014 the media helped Obama come up with things to shut down so they could then report that the Republicans were mean.
Shutting down memorials, which were zero-maintenance before they started keeping people out, was a taste of 2021 coof fuckery.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 20, 2024 12:48 PM
Didn't they block the view of Mount Rushmore too?
Shutting down memorials, which were zero-maintenance before they started keeping people out, was a taste of 2021 coof fuckery.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 20, 2024 12:48 PM
Didn't they block the view of Mount Rushmore too?
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2024 12:49 PM (xrl61)
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The Bowl Brush just said Vet Benefits will suffer if they shut her down. BS. Hospitals and clinics stay open, the checks are in the mail.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 20, 2024 12:49 PM (gm9Sb)
She should be near the top of the list of non-essential employees.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 20, 2024 12:49 PM (gm9Sb)
She should be near the top of the list of non-essential employees.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 20, 2024 12:50 PM (VNX3d)
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Vox Day and his crowd are pushing….
Vox Day believed wholeheartedly in Q. I used to read him but never got the Q fixation. Had a friend (brilliant, heavily autistic)who kept telling me to trust the plan. Well Vox would regularly post Q crap and the past due date would happen and nothing so I told him it’s a psyop. Vox may even have been involved
He’s not as brilliant as he likes to think he is.
Vox Day believed wholeheartedly in Q. I used to read him but never got the Q fixation. Had a friend (brilliant, heavily autistic)who kept telling me to trust the plan. Well Vox would regularly post Q crap and the past due date would happen and nothing so I told him it’s a psyop. Vox may even have been involved
He’s not as brilliant as he likes to think he is.
Posted by: Justin Pinochet Castreau at December 20, 2024 12:50 PM (l5yVc)
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BREAKING: The European Union has approved the use of ‘self-replicating’ RNA jabs that spread ‘like a virus’ to unvaccinated people without their consent
Posted by: Axeman at December 20, 2024 12:37 PM (krQz2)
Sounds like we need to ban all travel to/from the EU or any nation which permits travel to/from the EU.
Posted by: Axeman at December 20, 2024 12:37 PM (krQz2)
Sounds like we need to ban all travel to/from the EU or any nation which permits travel to/from the EU.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 20, 2024 12:50 PM (ExV1e)
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Nah.
Let 'em be.
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If the Europeans introduce a "vaccine" that transfers to others without their consent, the best way to deal with them is nuclear annihilation for the continent. It's the only way to be sure to stop the spread.
Let 'em be.
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If the Europeans introduce a "vaccine" that transfers to others without their consent, the best way to deal with them is nuclear annihilation for the continent. It's the only way to be sure to stop the spread.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2024 12:50 PM (Dnobf)
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$8,000,000,000 to build a Francis Scott Key Bridge replacement in Baltimore, per a tweet Instapundit posted today. Jeebus.
god forbid they sue the commies who sent that freighter thru there. easier to just bill me.
god forbid they sue the commies who sent that freighter thru there. easier to just bill me.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 20, 2024 12:50 PM (Pv3Rg)
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>>Oooh, I like tax cuts!!! I benefit directly from those..
Ding.
It's a House rule. Here's another House rule.
Any bill that is passed under suspension, suspended rules, requires a 2/3 Yea vote by representatives present for the vote. Not a simple majority, 2/3.
Ding.
It's a House rule. Here's another House rule.
Any bill that is passed under suspension, suspended rules, requires a 2/3 Yea vote by representatives present for the vote. Not a simple majority, 2/3.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 20, 2024 12:50 PM (LkLld)
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As long as the US Strategic Cheese reserve is fully funded, we’re good.
I’m not kidding that’s a thing that our govt spends billions on. Storage of cheese.
I’m not kidding that’s a thing that our govt spends billions on. Storage of cheese.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 20, 2024 12:50 PM (nxgXe)
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There's no reason to have a debt ceiling that nobody ever respects anyway. If we did, we wouldn't have 30+ trillion USD in debt right now, so I don't buy Chip Roy's rant for one second.
Chip Roy is trying to respect it.
Chip Roy is trying to respect it.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 20, 2024 12:51 PM (ExV1e)
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225 $8,000,000,000 to build a Francis Scott Key Bridge replacement in Baltimore, per a tweet Instapundit posted today. Jeebus.
god forbid they sue the commies who sent that freighter thru there. easier to just bill me.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 20, 2024 12:50 PM (Pv3Rg)
Supposedly, MD will be giving fed gov back all insurance and lawsuit wins...
god forbid they sue the commies who sent that freighter thru there. easier to just bill me.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 20, 2024 12:50 PM (Pv3Rg)
Supposedly, MD will be giving fed gov back all insurance and lawsuit wins...
Posted by: Nova Local at December 20, 2024 12:51 PM (exHjb)
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164 No one here is addressing the reason why it is Trump's preference to have the debt limit increase. Curious.
Posted by: Chuck Martel
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Debt ceiling increases are always where the GOP cannot win as it highlights their hypocrisy in a way that Democrats never have a problem with.
Trump prefers that the Senate Dem majority has its fingerprints on a debt ceiling increase that mutes the effect during the Biden administration just like the GOP always rolls over with Dem presidents due to default risk spiking interest rates.
Trying to pass a legislative agenda of shutting off the border, renewing tax cuts due to expire, etc. requires legislative capital to build success on Capitol Hill.
Expending it in March on a useless debt ceiling increase is pointless and harmful to Trump's agenda including DOGE.
Those are my guesses on Trump's motives.
I think conflating the tax cuts with debt ceiling is incorrect from what I remember about House budgetary rules. Long story but basically congressional rules on reconciliation, paygo, and budget scoring treat tax cuts statically as expenses instead of dynamic scoring which is better.
Posted by: Chuck Martel
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Debt ceiling increases are always where the GOP cannot win as it highlights their hypocrisy in a way that Democrats never have a problem with.
Trump prefers that the Senate Dem majority has its fingerprints on a debt ceiling increase that mutes the effect during the Biden administration just like the GOP always rolls over with Dem presidents due to default risk spiking interest rates.
Trying to pass a legislative agenda of shutting off the border, renewing tax cuts due to expire, etc. requires legislative capital to build success on Capitol Hill.
Expending it in March on a useless debt ceiling increase is pointless and harmful to Trump's agenda including DOGE.
Those are my guesses on Trump's motives.
I think conflating the tax cuts with debt ceiling is incorrect from what I remember about House budgetary rules. Long story but basically congressional rules on reconciliation, paygo, and budget scoring treat tax cuts statically as expenses instead of dynamic scoring which is better.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 12:51 PM (ctrM5)
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Yes, but they are animals. Frosty was a SnowMAN. He was clearly intended as a man made out of snow. That's weirder than naked cartoon animals. Animals are naturally naked. It's not like Elmer Fudd had no pants.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 20, 2024 12:39 PM (iFTx/)
I admit; you’re right! Didn’t think about that aspect. Probably because I always like Frosty as a kid
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (+kWhq)
________
:-)
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 20, 2024 12:39 PM (iFTx/)
I admit; you’re right! Didn’t think about that aspect. Probably because I always like Frosty as a kid
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (+kWhq)
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:-)
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 20, 2024 12:51 PM (iFTx/)
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have we addressed the WSJ article about how joetato was never functional?
and yet his appointments and EOs and thousands of pardons are somehow ok!???
we need to make a fucking stink about this. it's high treason by a whole fuckton of people
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 20, 2024 12:47 PM (Pv3Rg)
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I'm willing to. It's the Dem-sphere that's trying to yawn about it.
But it's not "treason" as our Constitution addresses what constitutes "treason".
It's most definitely some kind of fraud, though.
and yet his appointments and EOs and thousands of pardons are somehow ok!???
we need to make a fucking stink about this. it's high treason by a whole fuckton of people
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 20, 2024 12:47 PM (Pv3Rg)
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I'm willing to. It's the Dem-sphere that's trying to yawn about it.
But it's not "treason" as our Constitution addresses what constitutes "treason".
It's most definitely some kind of fraud, though.
Posted by: Axeman at December 20, 2024 12:51 PM (krQz2)
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That Thomas Massie, Lauren Bohbert, Wesley Hunt, Chip Roy, Morgan Luttrell, (Nancy Mace?) etc. voted against this is saying something. They are very supportive of the Trump Tax Cuts. They just don't think they have to 'sell this farm' for them. Strange how they're willing to negotiate harder against the Dems / RINO's on this than Trump is...
Posted by: bearski at December 20, 2024 12:51 PM (Bhsk7)
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What I hate about them shutting down the govt. is all the non-essential "workers" will get a paid vacation (back pay) out of the deal.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at December 20, 2024 12:51 PM (ZmEVT)
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Supposedly, MD will be giving fed gov back all insurance and lawsuit wins...
yeah as if that will happen in our lifetimes
yeah as if that will happen in our lifetimes
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 20, 2024 12:52 PM (Pv3Rg)
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Frostie Root Beer… I liked that..
Posted by: tubal at December 20, 2024 12:52 PM (PCK5/)
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Well: which is it, you fucksticks??
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And Trump has the biggest ego in the universe but he's kowtowing to Musk, telling him what to do.
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And Trump has the biggest ego in the universe but he's kowtowing to Musk, telling him what to do.
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 20, 2024 12:52 PM (hovnC)
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He's a tax and spend guy. If left unchecked, the debt will rise under him. Not by any accounting trick ... it'll go up.
The budget has to balance, or this country dies. I really don't care if that pisses off Trump or his supporters either.
Did I address it plainly enough ?
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 12:47 PM (yq9Cj)
Hi, Scogg.
The budget has to balance, or this country dies. I really don't care if that pisses off Trump or his supporters either.
Did I address it plainly enough ?
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 12:47 PM (yq9Cj)
Hi, Scogg.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 20, 2024 12:52 PM (xCA6C)
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Frosty the Snowman just reeks of white privilege.
Posted by: pudinhead at December 20, 2024 12:52 PM (jFCkp)
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239 Frosty the Snowman just reeks of white privilege.
Posted by: pudinhead at December 20, 2024 12:52 PM (jFCkp)
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But he's yellow!
Posted by: pudinhead at December 20, 2024 12:52 PM (jFCkp)
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But he's yellow!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:52 PM (GBKbO)
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Wendy's Frostys were good back in the day when they had the best fast food hamburgers and no one paid attention.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (bss/y)
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Chip Roy is trying to respect it.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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Just like Ole Chip respected the rule of law in Texas by supporting Phelan's impeachment of Paxton.
A hint that you have a showhorse on Capitol Hill rather than a workhorse is that they pose before the cameras rather than do the work behind the scenes for no public credit. Chip is a show pony.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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Just like Ole Chip respected the rule of law in Texas by supporting Phelan's impeachment of Paxton.
A hint that you have a showhorse on Capitol Hill rather than a workhorse is that they pose before the cameras rather than do the work behind the scenes for no public credit. Chip is a show pony.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (ctrM5)
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Protip: Don't go to Costco today.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (xCA6C)
Posted by: pudinhead at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (jFCkp)
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234 What I hate about them shutting down the govt. is all the non-essential "workers" will get a paid vacation (back pay) out of the deal.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at December 20, 2024 12:51 PM (ZmEVT)
Trump signed that law in...I think he wanted to end the "think of all the starving military folks" line every time there is a shutdown.
And he really doesn't like hurting the little man. And you have to remember, there are also a lot of little people (like janitors, secretaries, military privates, etc) working for fed gov...
Posted by: no one of any consequence at December 20, 2024 12:51 PM (ZmEVT)
Trump signed that law in...I think he wanted to end the "think of all the starving military folks" line every time there is a shutdown.
And he really doesn't like hurting the little man. And you have to remember, there are also a lot of little people (like janitors, secretaries, military privates, etc) working for fed gov...
Posted by: Nova Local at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (exHjb)
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If snow smells- it's not snow.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (bss/y)
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No one here is addressing the reason why it is Trump's preference to have the debt limit increase. Curious.
Posted by: Chuck Martel
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Debt ceiling increases are always where the GOP cannot win as it highlights their hypocrisy in a way that Democrats never have a problem with.
Trump prefers that the Senate Dem majority has its fingerprints on a debt ceiling increase that mutes the effect during the Biden administration just like the GOP always rolls over with Dem presidents due to default risk spiking interest rates.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 12:51 PM (ctrM5)
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I agree and think Trump himself made the point: he's not in favor of debt-limit increases, but if they are gonna happen -- and I think it's a dead-lock that at least one more will happen -- then it's better to have it on Biden's "watch." He's not wrong about that.
Posted by: Chuck Martel
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Debt ceiling increases are always where the GOP cannot win as it highlights their hypocrisy in a way that Democrats never have a problem with.
Trump prefers that the Senate Dem majority has its fingerprints on a debt ceiling increase that mutes the effect during the Biden administration just like the GOP always rolls over with Dem presidents due to default risk spiking interest rates.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 12:51 PM (ctrM5)
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I agree and think Trump himself made the point: he's not in favor of debt-limit increases, but if they are gonna happen -- and I think it's a dead-lock that at least one more will happen -- then it's better to have it on Biden's "watch." He's not wrong about that.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (iFTx/)
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With Congress, it's always "too late" to do the right thing.
Posted by: Anti-Faucist at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (qUkBO)
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Good grief. Its a snow'man.' The snowballs cover or block more than clothes would. I cannot see Frosty as a pedo grooming cartoon.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 20, 2024 12:54 PM (UKUm3)
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243 Protip: Don't go to Costco today.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (xCA6C)
Okay… can I go to Sam’s Club??
Posted by: Archimedes at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (xCA6C)
Okay… can I go to Sam’s Club??
Posted by: tubal at December 20, 2024 12:54 PM (PCK5/)
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If snow smells- it's not snow.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (bss/y)
Watch out where the huskies go.
Don't you eat that yellow snow.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (bss/y)
Watch out where the huskies go.
Don't you eat that yellow snow.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:54 PM (Zz0t1)
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232 have we addressed the WSJ article about how joetato was never functional?
and yet his appointments and EOs and thousands of pardons are somehow ok!???
we need to make a fucking stink about this. it's high treason by a whole fuckton of people
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 20, 2024 12:47 PM (Pv3Rg)
Joe has intellectual shrinkage. His brain was in the pool! In the pool!!!
and yet his appointments and EOs and thousands of pardons are somehow ok!???
we need to make a fucking stink about this. it's high treason by a whole fuckton of people
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 20, 2024 12:47 PM (Pv3Rg)
Joe has intellectual shrinkage. His brain was in the pool! In the pool!!!
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:54 PM (ZtAny)
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well said runner
how about the Rs in congress who continue to facilitate this? they aren't eating shit they are ALSO STEALING
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 20, 2024 12:49 PM (Pv3Rg)
That is a different issue, I suspect they are stupid and intransigent, a bunch of poseurs, who do not understand that it will take a bit of time for Trump agenda to 1) be implement and 2) produce results . And Trump won't be able to mover forward, unless there is a room to maneuver.
how about the Rs in congress who continue to facilitate this? they aren't eating shit they are ALSO STEALING
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 20, 2024 12:49 PM (Pv3Rg)
That is a different issue, I suspect they are stupid and intransigent, a bunch of poseurs, who do not understand that it will take a bit of time for Trump agenda to 1) be implement and 2) produce results . And Trump won't be able to mover forward, unless there is a room to maneuver.
Posted by: runner at December 20, 2024 12:54 PM (QTCRF)
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Trying to pass a legislative agenda of shutting off the border, renewing tax cuts due to expire, etc. requires legislative capital to build success on Capitol Hill.
Here we go - the old "political capital" thing again. Funny, Dems never need "political capital". They just wake up in the morning, decide what they want to fight for, and then fight like Hell. Then they go to bed, and the cycle repeats.
But with Republicans, there is always the excuse of
political capital". And plenty of apologists willing to chant it in unison.
Here we go - the old "political capital" thing again. Funny, Dems never need "political capital". They just wake up in the morning, decide what they want to fight for, and then fight like Hell. Then they go to bed, and the cycle repeats.
But with Republicans, there is always the excuse of
political capital". And plenty of apologists willing to chant it in unison.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 12:54 PM (yq9Cj)
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I saw some lefty news org announcing that we now had "Trumpflation"
Trump was poised to inherit a strong economy. Then things got rocky and he added to the uncertainty
https://t.ly/WyXwb
I saw some lefty news org announcing that we now had "Trumpflation"
Trump was poised to inherit a strong economy. Then things got rocky and he added to the uncertainty
https://t.ly/WyXwb
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 20, 2024 12:54 PM (63Dwl)
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Frosty has no penis, the carrot was used for a nose...
Posted by: steevy at December 20, 2024 12:54 PM (KQk9m)
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>>>198 have we addressed the WSJ article about how joetato was never functional?
All such actions were properly authorized by me.
All such actions were properly authorized by me.
Posted by: President Professor Doktor Jill Bilden, Ed.D. at December 20, 2024 12:55 PM (pUMay)
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Unlikely they'll quit knowing it's paid vacation for most.
More likely to get them to quit ending remote work, which requires government to be open.
Posted by: Nova Local
Fire them. This is a black and white moment and a time as good as any to set fire to all these sacred cow protections. Not one of these employees is so essential that can't be cut lose. The fact that these rotten rules exist highlights how out of touch the Federal government as become. Or we can wait until the debt reaches a point where it is the forcing function that makes all this happen.
More likely to get them to quit ending remote work, which requires government to be open.
Posted by: Nova Local
Fire them. This is a black and white moment and a time as good as any to set fire to all these sacred cow protections. Not one of these employees is so essential that can't be cut lose. The fact that these rotten rules exist highlights how out of touch the Federal government as become. Or we can wait until the debt reaches a point where it is the forcing function that makes all this happen.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at December 20, 2024 12:55 PM (e+6P0)
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Trump is not going to get much done with Congress. In a sense he's going in as a lame duck. But draining the swamp and reducing spending might still have a positive net effect.
Posted by: Max Power at December 20, 2024 12:55 PM (q177U)
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Debt ceiling does not authorize new spending, it is to cover existing obligations.
Posted by: runner at December 20, 2024 12:55 PM (QTCRF)
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Trump prefers that the Senate Dem majority has its fingerprints on a debt ceiling increase
Do you think the average person remembers who raised the debt ceiling? I'm sure they don't.
Do you think the average person remembers who raised the debt ceiling? I'm sure they don't.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 20, 2024 12:55 PM (xCA6C)
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No one here is addressing the reason why it is Trump's preference to have the debt limit increase. Curious.
Posted by: Chuck Martel
Do you mean besides me? I have to go back and check responses to my question. I was getting ready to post a counter argument to my blog boyfriend (lol) on x and was wondering if I shouldn’t make that a more private argument here at home. You know, on this blog.
Posted by: Chuck Martel
Do you mean besides me? I have to go back and check responses to my question. I was getting ready to post a counter argument to my blog boyfriend (lol) on x and was wondering if I shouldn’t make that a more private argument here at home. You know, on this blog.
Posted by: Piper at December 20, 2024 12:55 PM (p4NUW)
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*Debt ceiling increase
Posted by: runner at December 20, 2024 12:55 PM (QTCRF)
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Wendy's Frostys were good back in the day when they had the best fast food hamburgers and no one paid attention.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (bss/y)
Wendy's now sells their chili in a can at the grocery store. However, they don't sell their spicy chili sauce. They're chili is average without the chili sauce, so it's a mistake, imo.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (bss/y)
Wendy's now sells their chili in a can at the grocery store. However, they don't sell their spicy chili sauce. They're chili is average without the chili sauce, so it's a mistake, imo.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:55 PM (Zz0t1)
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> $8,000,000,000 to build a Francis Scott Key Bridge replacement in Baltimore
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Originally build with private funds, yet tolls collected since the day it was opened until destroyed.
New one will also collect tolls, in addition to the tax dollars Marylanders (and the rest of us) will pay to build it, and then pay those tolls for the privilege of using it after it's paid for.
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Originally build with private funds, yet tolls collected since the day it was opened until destroyed.
New one will also collect tolls, in addition to the tax dollars Marylanders (and the rest of us) will pay to build it, and then pay those tolls for the privilege of using it after it's paid for.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 20, 2024 12:55 PM (Q4IgG)
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258 Unlikely they'll quit knowing it's paid vacation for most.
More likely to get them to quit ending remote work, which requires government to be open.
Posted by: Nova Local
Fire them. This is a black and white moment and a time as good as any to set fire to all these sacred cow protections. Not one of these employees is so essential that can't be cut lose. The fact that these rotten rules exist highlights how out of touch the Federal government as become. Or we can wait until the debt reaches a point where it is the forcing function that makes all this happen.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at December 20, 2024 12:55 PM (e+6P0)
You also can't fire. You can end departments/programs and RIF. But again, you need government open to begin a RIF process.
More likely to get them to quit ending remote work, which requires government to be open.
Posted by: Nova Local
Fire them. This is a black and white moment and a time as good as any to set fire to all these sacred cow protections. Not one of these employees is so essential that can't be cut lose. The fact that these rotten rules exist highlights how out of touch the Federal government as become. Or we can wait until the debt reaches a point where it is the forcing function that makes all this happen.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at December 20, 2024 12:55 PM (e+6P0)
You also can't fire. You can end departments/programs and RIF. But again, you need government open to begin a RIF process.
Posted by: Nova Local at December 20, 2024 12:56 PM (exHjb)
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Maybe the boy buggerer was a poor choice for Speaker of the House.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 20, 2024 12:56 PM (YzqWW)
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>>>Shut it down. Shut it down forever.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (GBKbO)
*subscribed*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 12:17 PM (GBKbO)
*subscribed*
Posted by: Max Power at December 20, 2024 12:56 PM (q177U)
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Protip: Don't go to Costco today.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (xCA6C)
Okay… can I go to Sam’s Club??
Absolutely. I'm sure things will be very different there.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (xCA6C)
Okay… can I go to Sam’s Club??
Absolutely. I'm sure things will be very different there.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 20, 2024 12:56 PM (xCA6C)
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251 If snow smells- it's not snow.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (bss/y)
Watch out where the huskies go.
Don't you eat that yellow snow.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:54 PM (Zz0t1)
Can’t remember the first time I read that great book: Holes in the Snow… by I.P. Straight
251 If snow smells- it's not snow.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (bss/y)
Watch out where the huskies go.
Don't you eat that yellow snow.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:54 PM (Zz0t1)
Can’t remember the first time I read that great book: Holes in the Snow… by I.P. Straight
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:56 PM (ZtAny)
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I hope Trump positions Vance for success…. sorry, could not resist! Mea culpa..
Posted by: tubal at December 20, 2024 12:56 PM (PCK5/)
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You CAN fire all government contractors (of which there are legion). And THEY are not paid during a shutdown, and almost never get back pay (although most orgs let them work extra hours after open to "catch up")...
That's who you can fire with a government shutdown. And like gov employees, there are also many contractors not needed. so you could start there...
That's who you can fire with a government shutdown. And like gov employees, there are also many contractors not needed. so you could start there...
Posted by: Nova Local at December 20, 2024 12:57 PM (exHjb)
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242 Just like Ole Chip respected the rule of law in Texas by supporting Phelan's impeachment of Paxton.
Posted by: whig
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I didn't realize Chip was against Paxton. He should've been primaried for that... Still, a number of pro-Trump reps voted against this CR.
Posted by: whig
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I didn't realize Chip was against Paxton. He should've been primaried for that... Still, a number of pro-Trump reps voted against this CR.
Posted by: bearski at December 20, 2024 12:57 PM (Bhsk7)
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233 That Thomas Massie, Lauren Bohbert, Wesley Hunt, Chip Roy, Morgan Luttrell, (Nancy Mace?) etc. voted against this is saying something. They are very supportive of the Trump Tax Cuts. They just don't think they have to 'sell this farm' for them. Strange how they're willing to negotiate harder against the Dems / RINO's on this than Trump is...
Posted by: bearski
Don't treat their votes as principled. Essentially the slim bill was dead because the Dems would not support it under suspension of rules requiring a 2/3rds vote.
Simple shitbaggery by House GOP leadership team that really wanted their pay increase apparently and got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Their plan B was half hearted and pushed forward without even trying for success via sending it to the Rules Committee (removing the need for a 2/3rds majority) first before the floor vote.
Now you get the sullen reaction by Congress creeps denied their Christmas plum because Trump has made it clear that he wants a clean CR, a debt ceiling increase granted on the same terms that FJB got, etc.
Posted by: bearski
Don't treat their votes as principled. Essentially the slim bill was dead because the Dems would not support it under suspension of rules requiring a 2/3rds vote.
Simple shitbaggery by House GOP leadership team that really wanted their pay increase apparently and got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Their plan B was half hearted and pushed forward without even trying for success via sending it to the Rules Committee (removing the need for a 2/3rds majority) first before the floor vote.
Now you get the sullen reaction by Congress creeps denied their Christmas plum because Trump has made it clear that he wants a clean CR, a debt ceiling increase granted on the same terms that FJB got, etc.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 12:57 PM (ctrM5)
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Can’t remember the first time I read that great book: Holes in the Snow… by I.P. Straight
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:56 PM (ZtAny)
Women are jealous of men because it's so much harder for them to sign their names in the snow.
Can’t remember the first time I read that great book: Holes in the Snow… by I.P. Straight
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 12:56 PM (ZtAny)
Women are jealous of men because it's so much harder for them to sign their names in the snow.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:58 PM (Zz0t1)
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And he really doesn't like hurting the little man. And you have to remember, there are also a lot of little people (like janitors, secretaries, military privates, etc) working for fed gov...
You know what I need even less than the BATF ? The guy mopping the floors at the BATF.
You know what I need even less than the BATF ? The guy mopping the floors at the BATF.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 12:58 PM (yq9Cj)
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264 Wendy's now sells their chili in a can at the grocery store. However, they don't sell their spicy chili sauce. They're chili is average without the chili sauce, so it's a mistake, imo.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at
It’s canned chili…and the chili is made from hamburgers that didn’t sell, so the canned version has to be even less enticing, which is pretty hard to do in this story.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at
It’s canned chili…and the chili is made from hamburgers that didn’t sell, so the canned version has to be even less enticing, which is pretty hard to do in this story.
Posted by: Piper at December 20, 2024 12:58 PM (p4NUW)
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227 Gubbmint cheese! Don't knock it, good stuff. My little mill in Ohio went on strike in the early 80s. We were the only hardasses, and they were expecting big steel to walk. AFL/CIO community services were calling us up to PLEASE come down and pick up some of this stuff. Had half a freezer filled with gubbmint cheese and shared with a lot of people (and payed off a bar bill). Also, had to build some shelving for the canned commodities (canned pork, beef, chicken, the feds buy the good stuff).
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 20, 2024 12:58 PM (gm9Sb)
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Schlicter just reposted the Massie post about the bill being cut up into pieces for individual votes. I think this will happen.
Meanwhile today Biden is giving another billion dollars to Ukraine and canceling more student loans and announcing an end of term vacation in Italy.
Jan 20can't come to soon.
Meanwhile today Biden is giving another billion dollars to Ukraine and canceling more student loans and announcing an end of term vacation in Italy.
Jan 20can't come to soon.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 20, 2024 12:59 PM (t/2Uw)
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Wendy's now sells their chili in a can at the grocery store. However, they don't sell their spicy chili sauce. They're chili is average without the chili sauce, so it's a mistake, imo.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:55 PM (Zz0t1)
I remember the flat, square burgers. I can almost taste them... mmmm.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:55 PM (Zz0t1)
I remember the flat, square burgers. I can almost taste them... mmmm.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 12:59 PM (bss/y)
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The debt will never come down. Our fiat monetary system is based on debt. The fiat dollar is created by debt. The politicians don’t care about debt. The system doesn’t work without the creation of debt.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 20, 2024 12:59 PM (nxgXe)
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271 I hope Trump positions Vance for success…. sorry, could not resist! Mea culpa..
Posted by: tubal at December 20, 2024 12:56 PM (PCK5/)
I still think there is a nonzero chance that once Trump has his team in place and sees progress in MAGA/MAHA he'll assess where he wants to be in 2026. If things are going well, I can see him stepping aside to give Vance a chance to run the country for ten years (two terms plus two years). No lame duck time then. The ultimate George Washington move.
Posted by: tubal at December 20, 2024 12:56 PM (PCK5/)
I still think there is a nonzero chance that once Trump has his team in place and sees progress in MAGA/MAHA he'll assess where he wants to be in 2026. If things are going well, I can see him stepping aside to give Vance a chance to run the country for ten years (two terms plus two years). No lame duck time then. The ultimate George Washington move.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 20, 2024 12:59 PM (fJJtc)
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It’s canned chili…and the chili is made from hamburgers that didn’t sell, so the canned version has to be even less enticing, which is pretty hard to do in this story.
Posted by: Piper at December 20, 2024 12:58 PM (p4NUW)
I like it, so mmmmllllaaaaaaah.
*sticks out tongue*
It’s canned chili…and the chili is made from hamburgers that didn’t sell, so the canned version has to be even less enticing, which is pretty hard to do in this story.
Posted by: Piper at December 20, 2024 12:58 PM (p4NUW)
I like it, so mmmmllllaaaaaaah.
*sticks out tongue*
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 12:59 PM (Zz0t1)
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Debt ceiling does not authorize new spending, it is to cover existing obligations.
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Which shouldn't have been made in the first place.
Break the 'obligations,' they have no moral weight any way.
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Which shouldn't have been made in the first place.
Break the 'obligations,' they have no moral weight any way.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2024 12:59 PM (Dnobf)
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Buy my cheddar cheese from the Amish store for 5 bucks a pound.. outstanding stuff too.
Posted by: tubal at December 20, 2024 12:59 PM (PCK5/)
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279 Schlicter just reposted the Massie post about the bill being cut up into pieces for individual votes. I think this will happen.
Meanwhile today Biden is giving another billion dollars to Ukraine and canceling more student loans and announcing an end of term vacation in Italy.
Jan 20can't come to soon.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 20, 2024 12:59 PM (t/2Uw)
Funny how this needs no voting. LOL- we are fucking ridiculous.
Meanwhile today Biden is giving another billion dollars to Ukraine and canceling more student loans and announcing an end of term vacation in Italy.
Jan 20can't come to soon.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 20, 2024 12:59 PM (t/2Uw)
Funny how this needs no voting. LOL- we are fucking ridiculous.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 01:00 PM (bss/y)
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In the world of DC, tax cuts must be offset with spending cuts because tax cuts are viewed as "costing" the government revenue.
Trump's tax cuts from his previous term expire in 2025. Democrats and even some so called Republicans who don't know dick about economics don't want them renewed.
That's why Trump wants the debt ceiling raised.
Trump's tax cuts from his previous term expire in 2025. Democrats and even some so called Republicans who don't know dick about economics don't want them renewed.
That's why Trump wants the debt ceiling raised.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 20, 2024 01:00 PM (LkLld)
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Just not without the chili hot sauce. It must have that.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 01:00 PM (Zz0t1)
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229 225 $8,000,000,000 to build a Francis Scott Key Bridge replacement in Baltimore, per a tweet Instapundit posted today. Jeebus.
god forbid they sue the commies who sent that freighter thru there. easier to just bill me.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 20, 2024 12:50 PM (Pv3Rg)
Supposedly, MD will be giving fed gov back all insurance and lawsuit wins...
Posted by: Nova Local at December 20, 2024 12:51 PM (exHjb)
But the proposed budget for bridge is still $8 Billion! I just looked-up the current estimated cost for a new Ford-class nuclear aircraft carrier. $13.3 Billion. Holy cow.
god forbid they sue the commies who sent that freighter thru there. easier to just bill me.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 20, 2024 12:50 PM (Pv3Rg)
Supposedly, MD will be giving fed gov back all insurance and lawsuit wins...
Posted by: Nova Local at December 20, 2024 12:51 PM (exHjb)
But the proposed budget for bridge is still $8 Billion! I just looked-up the current estimated cost for a new Ford-class nuclear aircraft carrier. $13.3 Billion. Holy cow.
Posted by: Gref at December 20, 2024 01:00 PM (aBgBM)
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279 Schlicter just reposted the Massie post about the bill being cut up into pieces for individual votes. I think this will happen.
Meanwhile today Biden is giving another billion dollars to Ukraine and canceling more student loans and announcing an end of term vacation in Italy.
Jan 20can't come to soon.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 20, 2024 12:59 PM (t/2Uw)
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Not enough pieces.
3 pieces isn't enough.
I want votes on the individual pieces of the CR itself. Like TARP reauthorization.
Meanwhile today Biden is giving another billion dollars to Ukraine and canceling more student loans and announcing an end of term vacation in Italy.
Jan 20can't come to soon.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 20, 2024 12:59 PM (t/2Uw)
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Not enough pieces.
3 pieces isn't enough.
I want votes on the individual pieces of the CR itself. Like TARP reauthorization.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 01:00 PM (GBKbO)
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OT: Breaking - Party City is permanently closing all stores. Today is the last day for employees to work.
Posted by: Nova Local at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (exHjb)
OMG. How am I ever going to transition if I can't get my Party City wig?
Anyways...
Posted by: Nova Local at December 20, 2024 12:43 PM (exHjb)
OMG. How am I ever going to transition if I can't get my Party City wig?
Anyways...
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 20, 2024 01:00 PM (FCbAQ)
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I remember the flat, square burgers. I can almost taste them... mmmm.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 12:59 PM (bss/y)
I was a big fan of their spicy chicken sandwich as well.
I remember the flat, square burgers. I can almost taste them... mmmm.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 12:59 PM (bss/y)
I was a big fan of their spicy chicken sandwich as well.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 01:00 PM (Zz0t1)
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Gonna write her name in the snow.
Posted by: Zombie Tom Petty at December 20, 2024 01:00 PM (YzqWW)
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I didn't realize Chip was against Paxton. He should've been primaried for that... Still, a number of pro-Trump reps voted against this CR.
Posted by: bearski
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See my comment above.
Essentially though, who you see on TV (where the job does not require it like leadership) are the people that pose and prance claiming muh principles.
Old Rooster Tail, now on Fox as his dayjob, is a perfect example. Bloviate in public, be a craven little bitch for the Obama administration and Killary behind the scenes.
We have not had serious GOP leadership in Congress since DeLay was forced out during the pedo Hastert reign.
Posted by: bearski
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See my comment above.
Essentially though, who you see on TV (where the job does not require it like leadership) are the people that pose and prance claiming muh principles.
Old Rooster Tail, now on Fox as his dayjob, is a perfect example. Bloviate in public, be a craven little bitch for the Obama administration and Killary behind the scenes.
We have not had serious GOP leadership in Congress since DeLay was forced out during the pedo Hastert reign.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 01:01 PM (ctrM5)
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I bought my Xmas tenderloin at Costco today. The untrimmed ones were $20/lb, while the trimmed ones were $27/lb. Given that trimming removes roughly 25-30% of the weight, I opted for the trimmed. I know how to trim, but if the driveaway price is the same, why buy the untrimmed?
Posted by: Archimedes at December 20, 2024 01:01 PM (xCA6C)
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Not enough pieces.
3 pieces isn't enough.
I want votes on the individual pieces of the CR itself. Like TARP reauthorization.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 01:00 PM (GBKbO)
I'm old enough to remember when they tried to barbecue GWB for his desire for Line Item Veto.
Not enough pieces.
3 pieces isn't enough.
I want votes on the individual pieces of the CR itself. Like TARP reauthorization.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 01:00 PM (GBKbO)
I'm old enough to remember when they tried to barbecue GWB for his desire for Line Item Veto.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 01:01 PM (Zz0t1)
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I was a big fan of their spicy chicken sandwich as well.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 01:00 PM (Zz0t1)
I miss spicy chicken sandwiches that had the spices in the breading- not a sauce they sploooge onto the chicken.
It is just wrong.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 01:00 PM (Zz0t1)
I miss spicy chicken sandwiches that had the spices in the breading- not a sauce they sploooge onto the chicken.
It is just wrong.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 01:01 PM (bss/y)
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As far as Europe is concerned, the key word is "energy".
When Swedes have to transmit electricity to Germany according to EU agreement, and southern Swedes pay 195X more for their juice than northern Swedes because of the German draw - that's trouble. Existential trouble. When a 10-minute hot shower already costs US5$ in Gothenberg and the Germans scream for more watts, then Vax jab problems become background noise.
When Swedes have to transmit electricity to Germany according to EU agreement, and southern Swedes pay 195X more for their juice than northern Swedes because of the German draw - that's trouble. Existential trouble. When a 10-minute hot shower already costs US5$ in Gothenberg and the Germans scream for more watts, then Vax jab problems become background noise.
Posted by: mrp at December 20, 2024 01:02 PM (rj6Yv)
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296 I'm old enough to remember when they tried to barbecue GWB for his desire for Line Item Veto.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 01:01 PM (Zz0t1)
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I feel like that would require a constitutional amendment.
But a line item veto at the federal level would be interesting, at least.
States with it don't fall apart.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 01:01 PM (Zz0t1)
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I feel like that would require a constitutional amendment.
But a line item veto at the federal level would be interesting, at least.
States with it don't fall apart.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 01:02 PM (GBKbO)
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I miss spicy chicken sandwiches that had the spices in the breading- not a sauce they sploooge onto the chicken.
It is just wrong.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 01:01 PM (bss/y)
McDonald's new spicy chicken sandwich hardest hit.
It is just wrong.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 20, 2024 01:01 PM (bss/y)
McDonald's new spicy chicken sandwich hardest hit.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 01:02 PM (Zz0t1)
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Not enough pieces.
3 pieces isn't enough.
I want votes on the individual pieces of the CR itself. Like TARP reauthorization.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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I want good health too, but that is unlikely to happen.
3 pieces isn't enough.
I want votes on the individual pieces of the CR itself. Like TARP reauthorization.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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I want good health too, but that is unlikely to happen.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 01:02 PM (ctrM5)
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Not enough pieces. 3 pieces isn't enough. I want votes on the individual pieces of the CR itself. Like TARP reauthorization.
Funding for ObamaCare should be a piece. Funding for the Patriot Act should be a piece.
All the pieces. And a big scoreboard, showing the grand total. It should be like this every year, honestly.
Funding for ObamaCare should be a piece. Funding for the Patriot Act should be a piece.
All the pieces. And a big scoreboard, showing the grand total. It should be like this every year, honestly.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 01:02 PM (yq9Cj)
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I miss spicy chicken sandwiches that had the spices in the breading- not a sauce they sploooge onto the chicken.
It is just wrong
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To sploooge is never wrong. Love is love.
It is just wrong
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To sploooge is never wrong. Love is love.
Posted by: pudinhead at December 20, 2024 01:02 PM (jFCkp)
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300 I miss spicy chicken sandwiches that had the spices in the breading- not a sauce they sploooge onto the chicken.
It is just wrong.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Heh. Now do bbq.
It is just wrong.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Heh. Now do bbq.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 01:02 PM (ctrM5)
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292 Wendy's Baked Potatoes.Got me through some hard times.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 20, 2024 01:02 PM (gm9Sb)
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>>I know how to trim, but if the driveaway price is the same, why buy the untrimmed?
Do you know where you are?
Do you know where you are?
Posted by: JackStraw at December 20, 2024 01:02 PM (LkLld)
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 20, 2024 01:02 PM (nxgXe)
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So, who else remembered that every CR for the last 16 years has reauthorized TARP?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 01:03 PM (GBKbO)
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So, who else remembered that every CR for the last 16 years has reauthorized TARP?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 01:03 PM (GBKbO)
Doesn't it also include the American Reinvestment and Recovery act?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 01:03 PM (GBKbO)
Doesn't it also include the American Reinvestment and Recovery act?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 01:04 PM (Zz0t1)
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Protip: Don't go to Costco today.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (xCA6C)
Okay… can I go to Sam’s Club??
Absolutely. I'm sure things will be very different there.
Posted by: Archimedes
The fights are better at Walmart stores.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 20, 2024 12:53 PM (xCA6C)
Okay… can I go to Sam’s Club??
Absolutely. I'm sure things will be very different there.
Posted by: Archimedes
The fights are better at Walmart stores.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at December 20, 2024 01:04 PM (e+6P0)
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Shut it down!
If the government shuts down so does the federal register. No more last minute crap to destroy the country.
https://tinyurl.com/yc26z9u7
If the government shuts down so does the federal register. No more last minute crap to destroy the country.
https://tinyurl.com/yc26z9u7
Posted by: Just Lily at December 20, 2024 01:04 PM (RvtZJ)
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Not enough pieces.
3 pieces isn't enough.
I want votes on the individual pieces of the CR itself. Like TARP reauthorization.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Agree.
3 pieces isn't enough.
I want votes on the individual pieces of the CR itself. Like TARP reauthorization.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Agree.
Posted by: scampydog at December 20, 2024 01:04 PM (2bFN5)
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309 So, who else remembered that every CR for the last 16 years has reauthorized TARP?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 01:03 PM (GBKbO)
Doesn't it also include the American Reinvestment and Recovery act?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 01:04 PM (Zz0t1)
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There's a big reason Congress won't go back to budgets, and it's not because it's hard work.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 01:03 PM (GBKbO)
Doesn't it also include the American Reinvestment and Recovery act?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 01:04 PM (Zz0t1)
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There's a big reason Congress won't go back to budgets, and it's not because it's hard work.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 01:04 PM (GBKbO)
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The fights are better at Walmart stores.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at December 20, 2024 01:04 PM (e+6P0)
Also known as 'bum fights.'
The fights are better at Walmart stores.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at December 20, 2024 01:04 PM (e+6P0)
Also known as 'bum fights.'
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 01:04 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Sharkman at December 20, 2024 01:05 PM (hzt9x)
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You see, the government idiots consider tax cuts as government spending. So if you do $4 trillion in tax cuts, the government considers that $ 4 trillion in spending.
The debt ceiling redemption on Jan 1st will make Trump have to figure out how to pass the tax cuts without going over the debt ceiling and triggering a default. Do you get it now?
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 20, 2024 12:26 PM
So doesn't this mean that we just need to go through the budget and cut out all the overspending on nonsense in order to fund the tax cuts? We know there is billions upon billions of waste in the government budget. Go through all that first and cut all the waste and see how much that allows for new spending without going over the debt ceiling. May not be $4 Trillion, but I would guess there is hundreds of billions at least that can be cut.
How many hundreds of billions have we sent to Ukraine alone over the past 3+ years? How many billions spent on illegal aliens? How many billions spent on foreign aid overall?
The debt ceiling redemption on Jan 1st will make Trump have to figure out how to pass the tax cuts without going over the debt ceiling and triggering a default. Do you get it now?
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 20, 2024 12:26 PM
So doesn't this mean that we just need to go through the budget and cut out all the overspending on nonsense in order to fund the tax cuts? We know there is billions upon billions of waste in the government budget. Go through all that first and cut all the waste and see how much that allows for new spending without going over the debt ceiling. May not be $4 Trillion, but I would guess there is hundreds of billions at least that can be cut.
How many hundreds of billions have we sent to Ukraine alone over the past 3+ years? How many billions spent on illegal aliens? How many billions spent on foreign aid overall?
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 20, 2024 01:05 PM (P5BPp)
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What my work is NOT doing yet is removing the DEI office. They've renamed it to draw less attention from DOGE is all.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 20, 2024 01:05 PM (UKUm3)
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Wendy's chilli used to be good and cheap. With infinite sweet tea refills you could live at the mall.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 20, 2024 01:05 PM (YzqWW)
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>>Don't treat their votes as principled. Essentially the slim bill was dead because the Dems would not support it under suspension of rules requiring a 2/3rds vote.
Repeated for clarity.
This will be the same rule likely used for any bills coming up in the next few days.
Repeated for clarity.
This will be the same rule likely used for any bills coming up in the next few days.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 20, 2024 01:05 PM (LkLld)
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I'm old enough to remember when they tried to barbecue GWB for his desire for Line Item Veto.
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GOP Congress actually gave that power to Billy Jeff via Enhanced Rescission Authority. Scotus shot it down when a recipient of government largess sued over Clinton's use of it.
Funny how all the attempts of policy innovations like Gramm Rudman Hollings or the legislative veto that are extra constitutional that hamper big Fed government are taken out and shot by Scotus rulings.
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GOP Congress actually gave that power to Billy Jeff via Enhanced Rescission Authority. Scotus shot it down when a recipient of government largess sued over Clinton's use of it.
Funny how all the attempts of policy innovations like Gramm Rudman Hollings or the legislative veto that are extra constitutional that hamper big Fed government are taken out and shot by Scotus rulings.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 01:05 PM (ctrM5)
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Debt limit is a fiction. It has never not even once, limited the debt.
The only time it comes into play is that sometimes Republicans say "hey will only vote to raise the debt ceiling if you cut x or y or z" and they (we) get our asses handed to us on it.
Absent a debt ceiling increase all Trump initiatives like no tax on tips gets scored against it by CBO.
Doesn't anyone here know how to play this game?
The only time it comes into play is that sometimes Republicans say "hey will only vote to raise the debt ceiling if you cut x or y or z" and they (we) get our asses handed to us on it.
Absent a debt ceiling increase all Trump initiatives like no tax on tips gets scored against it by CBO.
Doesn't anyone here know how to play this game?
Posted by: blaster at December 20, 2024 01:05 PM (QfvaV)
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Looks like we might need a military intervention in Europe for the 3rd time, again to deal with the rise of authoritarian despots. And I don't mean Vlad
Or... withdraw. Let them stew in their own juices. No money, no lives lost, nothing. Americans can freely travel to Europe but may not return.
Or... withdraw. Let them stew in their own juices. No money, no lives lost, nothing. Americans can freely travel to Europe but may not return.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 20, 2024 01:06 PM (ExV1e)
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And a billion dollars for conserving the Ecuadorian Amazon.
They have no shame.
They have no shame.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 20, 2024 01:06 PM (t/2Uw)
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294 I didn't realize Chip was against Paxton. He should've been primaried for that... Still, a number of pro-Trump reps voted against this CR.
Posted by: bearski
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See my comment above.
Essentially though, who you see on TV (where the job does not require it like leadership) are the people that pose and prance claiming muh principles.
Old Rooster Tail, now on Fox as his dayjob, is a perfect example. Bloviate in public, be a craven little bitch for the Obama administration and Killary behind the scenes.
We have not had serious GOP leadership in Congress since DeLay was forced out during the pedo Hastert reign.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 01:01 PM (ctrM5)
Preach it, whig. I cannot stand Foghorn Leghorn on FOX. Never could. I put Jim Jordan in that category as well. A total show horse.
Posted by: bearski
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See my comment above.
Essentially though, who you see on TV (where the job does not require it like leadership) are the people that pose and prance claiming muh principles.
Old Rooster Tail, now on Fox as his dayjob, is a perfect example. Bloviate in public, be a craven little bitch for the Obama administration and Killary behind the scenes.
We have not had serious GOP leadership in Congress since DeLay was forced out during the pedo Hastert reign.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 01:01 PM (ctrM5)
Preach it, whig. I cannot stand Foghorn Leghorn on FOX. Never could. I put Jim Jordan in that category as well. A total show horse.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 20, 2024 01:06 PM (fJJtc)
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The biggest tool that Trump should use once he takes office is Loper.
"To be in accordance with Loper, this ream of federal regulation, and all of its employees, is hereby rescinded. They are no authorized explicitly by statute. Bring on the next ream."
"To be in accordance with Loper, this ream of federal regulation, and all of its employees, is hereby rescinded. They are no authorized explicitly by statute. Bring on the next ream."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 01:06 PM (GBKbO)
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So, who else remembered that every CR for the last 16 years has reauthorized TARP?
Me. It was how this shit show got going. The original $800 billion deficit, Ws parting gift, was then instituted as the standard budget under Barry.
But wow - the debt ceiling is just awful. You've all heard the smart kids tell you why its silly to talk about balancing the budget and how it just can't be done and blah and blah and blah.
Me. It was how this shit show got going. The original $800 billion deficit, Ws parting gift, was then instituted as the standard budget under Barry.
But wow - the debt ceiling is just awful. You've all heard the smart kids tell you why its silly to talk about balancing the budget and how it just can't be done and blah and blah and blah.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 01:06 PM (yq9Cj)
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And he really doesn't like hurting the little man. And you have to remember, there are also a lot of little people (like janitors, secretaries, military privates, etc) working for fed gov...
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You know what I need even less than the BATF ? The guy mopping the floors at the BATF.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 12:58 PM (yq9Cj)
I think they'll be necessary, at least until the building(s) is sold.
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You know what I need even less than the BATF ? The guy mopping the floors at the BATF.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 12:58 PM (yq9Cj)
I think they'll be necessary, at least until the building(s) is sold.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 20, 2024 01:06 PM (VNX3d)
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How many hundreds of billions (trillions?) have we sent to Ukraine alone over the past 3+ years?
I found this, not sure how accurate:
As of September 30, 2024, the U.S. Ukraine response funding totals nearly $183 billion, with $130.1 billion obligated and $86.7 billion disbursed.
Congress appropriated $174.2 billion through the five Ukraine supplemental appropriation acts enacted FY 2022 through FY 2024, of which $163.6 billion was allocated for OAR and the Ukraine response. Additional funds of $18.2 billion were allocated from annual agency appropriations and $1.1 billion was allocated from other supplemental appropriation acts.
I found this, not sure how accurate:
As of September 30, 2024, the U.S. Ukraine response funding totals nearly $183 billion, with $130.1 billion obligated and $86.7 billion disbursed.
Congress appropriated $174.2 billion through the five Ukraine supplemental appropriation acts enacted FY 2022 through FY 2024, of which $163.6 billion was allocated for OAR and the Ukraine response. Additional funds of $18.2 billion were allocated from annual agency appropriations and $1.1 billion was allocated from other supplemental appropriation acts.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 20, 2024 01:06 PM (P5BPp)
Posted by: wth at December 20, 2024 01:06 PM (v0R5T)
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Lot can be done with a few lbs of beef fat.
The biggest contributor to the waste is the "chain", which is usually thrown away or used for stock. I bought neckbones for stock at H-Mart, but the oxtails were $16/lb! IOW, they're approaching tenderloin levels. They used to be cheap.
The biggest contributor to the waste is the "chain", which is usually thrown away or used for stock. I bought neckbones for stock at H-Mart, but the oxtails were $16/lb! IOW, they're approaching tenderloin levels. They used to be cheap.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 20, 2024 01:06 PM (xCA6C)
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310 Go to Walmart about 2200 Christmas Eve, and if you make it out, a patty melt at Waffle House.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 20, 2024 01:06 PM (gm9Sb)
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heh, we already voted Trump into the White House ... a government shutdown would just be icing on the cake ...
Posted by: The Dark Lord at December 20, 2024 01:06 PM (DBAaD)
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So, who else remembered that every CR for the last 16 years has reauthorized TARP?
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Not specifically, and I would assume no one pays any attention to it, but my first thought when Elon said he could easily cut 2 trillion dollars from the federal budget was that extra trillion 'emergency' obama got in his first year and the extra trillion Biden got for covid scams both of which get mindlessly rolled over (and increased to beat inflation) in every CR since.
Because that's what a CR is. We continue all the spending currently being done plus a bit more.
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Not specifically, and I would assume no one pays any attention to it, but my first thought when Elon said he could easily cut 2 trillion dollars from the federal budget was that extra trillion 'emergency' obama got in his first year and the extra trillion Biden got for covid scams both of which get mindlessly rolled over (and increased to beat inflation) in every CR since.
Because that's what a CR is. We continue all the spending currently being done plus a bit more.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2024 01:07 PM (Dnobf)
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Government Shutdown >>> Government Shitshow
Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 20, 2024 01:07 PM (wtvvX)
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Turkey just cut off water and power to the Kurds.
It is inbelievable how much damage the Biden administration is going to be able to do over the next 30 days.
It is inbelievable how much damage the Biden administration is going to be able to do over the next 30 days.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 20, 2024 01:07 PM (t/2Uw)
Posted by: wth at December 20, 2024 01:07 PM (v0R5T)
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This will be the same rule likely used for any bills coming up in the next few days.
Posted by: JackStraw
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That is simply shitbaggery by the GOP leadership. They can go to Rules Committee with their legislation instead and have the bills only requiring a majority to pass. My guess is some GOP idiots on the Rules Committee are being an ass is why or the GOP leadership wants a shutdown now to force the Dems in the Senate to come forward with their own bill first.
Posted by: JackStraw
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That is simply shitbaggery by the GOP leadership. They can go to Rules Committee with their legislation instead and have the bills only requiring a majority to pass. My guess is some GOP idiots on the Rules Committee are being an ass is why or the GOP leadership wants a shutdown now to force the Dems in the Senate to come forward with their own bill first.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 01:08 PM (ctrM5)
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Thanks for those responding on my debt limit question (Whig, Nevergiveup, Axeman, Elric). Much more well thought out than Chip Roy's tweet for sure.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 01:08 PM (fs1hN)
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Breaking - Party City is permanently closing all stores. Today is the last day for employees to work.
BeSt eCoNoMy iN 25 yEaRs!
BeSt eCoNoMy iN 25 yEaRs!
Posted by: Jetto at December 20, 2024 01:08 PM (2zWFh)
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It's all a money laundering boondoggle anyway.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 01:08 PM (Zz0t1)
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He's a tax and spend guy. If left unchecked, the debt will rise under him. Not by any accounting trick ... it'll go up.
Trump? The guy who cut taxes, submitted budgets with spending cuts, and shut down the government to try and make progress? That guy is tax and spend?
Well, if you say so.
Trump? The guy who cut taxes, submitted budgets with spending cuts, and shut down the government to try and make progress? That guy is tax and spend?
Well, if you say so.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 20, 2024 01:09 PM (ExV1e)
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Can we just build a wall around DC, put in a moat with alligators, and totally cut off any food, water, electricity etc. Let them go feral on each other for 90 days. See who comes out.
Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 20, 2024 01:09 PM (W2Pud)
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323 And a billion dollars for conserving the Ecuadorian Amazon.
They have no shame.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 20, 2024 01:06 PM (t/2Uw)
$40 of which might actually be spent on Amazon.
They have no shame.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 20, 2024 01:06 PM (t/2Uw)
$40 of which might actually be spent on Amazon.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 20, 2024 01:09 PM (nxgXe)
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All is right with the blog.
Posted by: wth at December 20, 2024 01:07 PM (v0R5T)
Merry Christmas!
All is right with the blog.
Posted by: wth at December 20, 2024 01:07 PM (v0R5T)
Merry Christmas!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 01:09 PM (Zz0t1)
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It's a write off, Jerry.
They just write it off.
They just write it off.
Posted by: Kramer at December 20, 2024 01:09 PM (DobEs)
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2024 01:10 PM (Dnobf)
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Thanks for the insight, Whig. I really don't know how to interpret the chicanery.
Posted by: fd at December 20, 2024 01:10 PM (vFG9F)
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342 Can we just build a wall around DC, put in a moat with alligators, and totally cut off any food, water, electricity etc. Let them go feral on each other for 90 days. See who comes out.
Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 20, 2024 01:09 PM (W2Pud)
"I'll buy that for a dollar!"
Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 20, 2024 01:09 PM (W2Pud)
"I'll buy that for a dollar!"
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 20, 2024 01:10 PM (fJJtc)
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Big Lots was toast yesterdsy.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 20, 2024 01:10 PM (YzqWW)
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Ever notice, as much as some Republicans talk about obvious shit like defunding NPR ... they never put forth a bill to cut even a dollar from NPR ?
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 01:10 PM (yq9Cj)
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Turkey just cut off water and power to the Kurds.
I thought we liked it when water and power is cut off to Muslims?
I thought we liked it when water and power is cut off to Muslims?
Posted by: Israel at December 20, 2024 01:10 PM (Djkcg)
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No stocking stuffers this year, suckers.
No stocking stuffers this year, suckers.
Posted by: Congress to the Voters at December 20, 2024 01:10 PM (+oR7L)
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Since I've been working from home all week, I've noticed my kitties spend a lot of time locked in the napping position...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 20, 2024 01:11 PM (BpYfr)
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346 Doesn't anyone here know how to play this game?
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Don't play the game.
End the game.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2024 01:10 PM (Dnobf)
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Republicans, Democrats: they're all just spokes on a wheel. This one's on top, then that one's on top, and on and on it spins, crushing those on the ground.
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Don't play the game.
End the game.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2024 01:10 PM (Dnobf)
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Republicans, Democrats: they're all just spokes on a wheel. This one's on top, then that one's on top, and on and on it spins, crushing those on the ground.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 01:11 PM (GBKbO)
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Again, there is not adequate time to debate and analyze what these f**king retards are trying to do.
As usual, they've pushed everything to the last minute into a must pass CR, vomited forth at the 11th hour.
Let's shut down the government, swear in Trump and his pipehitters and let Musk, Vivek and Vance get pliers and blow torches and go Medieval on these ridiculous clowns.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 20, 2024 12:30 PM
Abso-fucking-lutely.
As usual, they've pushed everything to the last minute into a must pass CR, vomited forth at the 11th hour.
Let's shut down the government, swear in Trump and his pipehitters and let Musk, Vivek and Vance get pliers and blow torches and go Medieval on these ridiculous clowns.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 20, 2024 12:30 PM
Abso-fucking-lutely.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 20, 2024 01:11 PM (P5BPp)
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My chiropractor is retiring. Since Trump was elected there is suddenly interest from buyers for the building he owns. Best thing for me would be if investor buys it and new chiropractor starts practice, my guy would then stay on some and train the young guy on stuff that isn't taught on chiro school. If the other party buys the building I just have to find a new chiro.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 20, 2024 01:11 PM (UKUm3)
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The Young Turds hardest hit.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 20, 2024 01:11 PM (YzqWW)
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Preach it, whig. I cannot stand Foghorn Leghorn on FOX. Never could. I put Jim Jordan in that category as well. A total show horse.
Posted by: Darrell Harris
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If I watched tv for political news anymore, I would die of apoplexy shortly due to the shitbags parading themselves on camera.
But, the problem predates the current era way back. Those that talk the most and wave their hands around are those least likely to actually do much legislative work.
Note that the failure to get spending bills out by committees and thus requiring a CR in the first place is the fault of the GOP members of those committees to complete their work in a timely fashion.
Posted by: Darrell Harris
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If I watched tv for political news anymore, I would die of apoplexy shortly due to the shitbags parading themselves on camera.
But, the problem predates the current era way back. Those that talk the most and wave their hands around are those least likely to actually do much legislative work.
Note that the failure to get spending bills out by committees and thus requiring a CR in the first place is the fault of the GOP members of those committees to complete their work in a timely fashion.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 01:11 PM (ctrM5)
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Ever notice, as much as some Republicans talk about obvious shit like defunding NPR ... they never put forth a bill to cut even a dollar from NPR ?
Posted by: Don't Care
I thought they did put it up for a vote last year and it failed.
Posted by: Don't Care
I thought they did put it up for a vote last year and it failed.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 20, 2024 01:12 PM (IG4Id)
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I thought we liked it when water and power is cut off to Muslims?
Posted by: Israel at December 20, 2024 01:10 PM (Djkcg)
Only the dickhead Muslims. Kurds aren’t dickhead like the fake pallyworld folks.
Posted by: Israel at December 20, 2024 01:10 PM (Djkcg)
Only the dickhead Muslims. Kurds aren’t dickhead like the fake pallyworld folks.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 20, 2024 01:12 PM (nxgXe)
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178 OT: Breaking - Party City is permanently closing all stores. Today is the last day for employees to work.
Posted by: Nova Local
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That's sad. We've got little kids and they were the best one-stop shop for birthdays, seasonal parties, Halloween... Sure, most comes from China. But more reliable under their brands than the straight Alibaba-ish cr*p that dominates Amazon now...
Posted by: Nova Local
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That's sad. We've got little kids and they were the best one-stop shop for birthdays, seasonal parties, Halloween... Sure, most comes from China. But more reliable under their brands than the straight Alibaba-ish cr*p that dominates Amazon now...
Posted by: bearski at December 20, 2024 01:12 PM (Bhsk7)
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339 Breaking - Party City is permanently closing all stores. Today is the last day for employees to work.
BeSt eCoNoMy iN 25 yEaRs!
Posted by: Jetto at December 20, 2024 01:08 PM (2zWFh)
Obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9xQlcvNlxg
BeSt eCoNoMy iN 25 yEaRs!
Posted by: Jetto at December 20, 2024 01:08 PM (2zWFh)
Obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9xQlcvNlxg
Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 20, 2024 01:13 PM (wtvvX)
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Anyone else remember when Ace was going to kick us off the blog for not supporting TARP?
Good times. Good times.
Good times. Good times.
Posted by: blaster at December 20, 2024 01:13 PM (QfvaV)
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>>That is simply shitbaggery by the GOP leadership.
Could be. I'm trying to keep one eye on what Trump/Vance are doing.
Last night's "skinny bill" was pure kabuki. It was never going to pass and anyone who knew the rules knew it from the jump.
The CR process is a tired, destructive game that takes us to the brink and then miraculously a bi-partisan agreement emerges at the 11th hour that always bones us in the ass.
The process can't be fixed. It can only be broken. If there's one thing we have learned about Trump is he likes to break things and do it his way.
Could be. I'm trying to keep one eye on what Trump/Vance are doing.
Last night's "skinny bill" was pure kabuki. It was never going to pass and anyone who knew the rules knew it from the jump.
The CR process is a tired, destructive game that takes us to the brink and then miraculously a bi-partisan agreement emerges at the 11th hour that always bones us in the ass.
The process can't be fixed. It can only be broken. If there's one thing we have learned about Trump is he likes to break things and do it his way.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 20, 2024 01:13 PM (LkLld)
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The shutdown of the federal government has forced the Department of the Interior to dynamite the Mount Rushmore sculptures and set fire to Redwood National Forest. They had no choice.
The shutdown of the federal government has forced the Department of the Interior to dynamite the Mount Rushmore sculptures and set fire to Redwood National Forest. They had no choice.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 20, 2024 01:13 PM (uz6ub)
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Which shouldn't have been made in the first place.
Break the 'obligations,' they have no moral weight any way.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2024 12:59 PM (Dnobf)
Let me make it clearer, obligations made by previous Congress.
Break the 'obligations,' they have no moral weight any way.
Posted by: Methos at December 20, 2024 12:59 PM (Dnobf)
Let me make it clearer, obligations made by previous Congress.
Posted by: runner at December 20, 2024 01:13 PM (QTCRF)
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Anyone else remember when Ace was going to kick us off the blog for not supporting TARP?
He's evolved.
He's evolved.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 01:14 PM (yq9Cj)
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Well: which is it, you fucksticks??
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And Trump has the biggest ego in the universe but he's kowtowing to Musk, telling him what to do.
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 20, 2024 12:52 PM (hovnC)
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Again, it's both. Trump's a fool for bringing on Musk only to be back-seated by him, and Trump is a megalomaniac that is going to put shackles on everybody.
Both of them say "Trump has serious mental problems" and Musk putting Trump in their place is the comeuppance they want so badly for Trump.
Dems have put themselves into a ready-state for doublethink.
They don't come here for the thinking.
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And Trump has the biggest ego in the universe but he's kowtowing to Musk, telling him what to do.
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 20, 2024 12:52 PM (hovnC)
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Again, it's both. Trump's a fool for bringing on Musk only to be back-seated by him, and Trump is a megalomaniac that is going to put shackles on everybody.
Both of them say "Trump has serious mental problems" and Musk putting Trump in their place is the comeuppance they want so badly for Trump.
Dems have put themselves into a ready-state for doublethink.
They don't come here for the thinking.
Posted by: Axeman at December 20, 2024 01:14 PM (krQz2)
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I thought Ace only kicked people off the blog for incidental Queensrÿche lyrics.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 01:15 PM (Zz0t1)
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Note that the failure to get spending bills out by committees and thus requiring a CR in the first place is the fault of the GOP members of those committees to complete their work in a timely fashion.
Posted by: whig
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Agreed. I think that was a promise from McCarthy that he didn't fulfill, which was one of the stated reasons for kicking him out. Johnson I believe made that promise as well and early this year there were reports that the committees were working hard on making that promise. Don't know what happened between then and now.
Posted by: whig
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Agreed. I think that was a promise from McCarthy that he didn't fulfill, which was one of the stated reasons for kicking him out. Johnson I believe made that promise as well and early this year there were reports that the committees were working hard on making that promise. Don't know what happened between then and now.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 01:15 PM (fs1hN)
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38 Repubs voted against. Our biggest downfall, IMO, is that we are unable to close ranks and act as one. Ever. The Democrats do it all the time. Hence, this is why we lose.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at December 20, 2024 01:15 PM (hwLGC)
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Do you think the average person remembers who raised the debt ceiling?
The average person can't remember who the President is.
The average person can't remember who the President is.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 20, 2024 01:15 PM (ExV1e)
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Thanks, whig. I'll never understand this stuff.
Posted by: Hacked gp's Feed Off The Bird at December 20, 2024 01:15 PM (1VvJB)
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>Sharyl Atkisson said today on X that for the shutdown in 2014 the media helped Obama come up with things to shut down so they could then report that the Republicans were mean.
Shutting down memorials, which were zero-maintenance before they started keeping people out, was a taste of 2021 coof fuckery.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 20, 2024 12:48 PM
Didn't they block the view of Mount Rushmore too?
Posted by: CaliGirl
That 'shutdown' where they paid OT to block views of things otherwise wide open should have exposed team Obama to be the vicious authoritarian thugs that they are. Unfortunately to this day almost half the country supports that.
Shutting down memorials, which were zero-maintenance before they started keeping people out, was a taste of 2021 coof fuckery.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 20, 2024 12:48 PM
Didn't they block the view of Mount Rushmore too?
Posted by: CaliGirl
That 'shutdown' where they paid OT to block views of things otherwise wide open should have exposed team Obama to be the vicious authoritarian thugs that they are. Unfortunately to this day almost half the country supports that.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 20, 2024 01:15 PM (/lPRQ)
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356 My chiropractor is retiring. Since Trump was elected there is suddenly interest from buyers for the building he owns. Best thing for me would be if investor buys it and new chiropractor starts practice, my guy would then stay on some and train the young guy on stuff that isn't taught on chiro school. If the other party buys the building I just have to find a new chiro.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 20, 2024 01:11
Fingers crossed PaleRider,
In my area the bonus has been the pausing of an off shore wind farm. Maybe some of the craziness will stop even here.
Posted by: PaleRider at December 20, 2024 01:11
Fingers crossed PaleRider,
In my area the bonus has been the pausing of an off shore wind farm. Maybe some of the craziness will stop even here.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 20, 2024 01:15 PM (1gLn1)
376
Breaking - Party City is permanently closing all stores. Today is the last day for employees to work.
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Truuuuuuuuuuuump!!!
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Truuuuuuuuuuuump!!!
Posted by: Axeman at December 20, 2024 01:15 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 20, 2024 01:15 PM (wtvvX)
378
The Bureau Of Land Management had to shoot Yogi and Boo Boo.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 20, 2024 01:16 PM (YzqWW)
379
thought we liked it when water and power is cut off to Muslims?
Posted by: Israel at December 20, 2024 01:10 PM (Djkcg)
Only the dickhead Muslims. Kurds aren’t dickhead like the fake pallyworld folks.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
This was done by Muslim expansionist Turkey which thinks it should be bigger. Kind of like Russia invading Ukraine. The Kurds are the good guys in this scenario. The Druze in Syria have already said they would prefer to be part of Israel. Will be interesting if Syria ends up being carved up.
Posted by: Israel at December 20, 2024 01:10 PM (Djkcg)
Only the dickhead Muslims. Kurds aren’t dickhead like the fake pallyworld folks.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe
This was done by Muslim expansionist Turkey which thinks it should be bigger. Kind of like Russia invading Ukraine. The Kurds are the good guys in this scenario. The Druze in Syria have already said they would prefer to be part of Israel. Will be interesting if Syria ends up being carved up.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 20, 2024 01:16 PM (t/2Uw)
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The process can't be fixed. It can only be broken. If there's one thing we have learned about Trump is he likes to break things and do it his way.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 20, 2024 01:13 PM (LkLld)
That is the most optimistic take I've read. Don't know if I believe it - but I'd like to. Because we are at a "flip the money changers tables" moment. Culturally and financially.
All those that take comfort in telling us the rules are not helpful. All those advising how to play within the rules are not helpful. The game is rigged against us. We're fools to keep playing.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 20, 2024 01:13 PM (LkLld)
That is the most optimistic take I've read. Don't know if I believe it - but I'd like to. Because we are at a "flip the money changers tables" moment. Culturally and financially.
All those that take comfort in telling us the rules are not helpful. All those advising how to play within the rules are not helpful. The game is rigged against us. We're fools to keep playing.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 01:16 PM (yq9Cj)
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Party City is permanently closing all stores.
Where are all the trannys supposed to get their wigs from now?
Where are all the trannys supposed to get their wigs from now?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 01:16 PM (fs1hN)
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Two characterisation of the basic GOPe: Pond Scum!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar - NEXT Year in Corsicana - again at December 20, 2024 01:16 PM (rOtXe)
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The very fact that we find ourselves in this situation tells me the whole big corrupt B.S. pile of crapola in D.C. needs to be shut down, stomped on, set alight and finally peed upon by the U.S. Taxpayers.
Posted by: Weasel at December 20, 2024 01:17 PM (1BE4H)
384
Turkey taking over Syria is not a good development.
Posted by: runner at December 20, 2024 01:17 PM (QTCRF)
385
The average person can't remember who the President is.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 20, 2024 01:15 PM (ExV1e)
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Well, the last 6 months, it hasn't been obvious.
You even had a gal running on being an incumbent outsider, running on the record of the Presidency that she otherwise didn't have the power to control.
Which added to the confusion.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 20, 2024 01:15 PM (ExV1e)
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Well, the last 6 months, it hasn't been obvious.
You even had a gal running on being an incumbent outsider, running on the record of the Presidency that she otherwise didn't have the power to control.
Which added to the confusion.
Posted by: Axeman at December 20, 2024 01:17 PM (krQz2)
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It’s canned chili…and the chili is made from hamburgers that didn’t sell, so the canned version has to be even less enticing, which is pretty hard to do in this story.
Posted by: Piper at December 20, 2024 12:58 PM (p4NUW)
Is that a challenge? Cuz it sounds like a challenge.
Posted by: Piper at December 20, 2024 12:58 PM (p4NUW)
Is that a challenge? Cuz it sounds like a challenge.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 20, 2024 01:18 PM (ExV1e)
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They'll get something done eventually because they don't want to stick around right before Christmas. It will most likely be something conservatives don't like, but then that's a regular thing with Congress,
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 20, 2024 01:18 PM (MQJVv)
Posted by: Jetto at December 20, 2024 01:18 PM (2zWFh)
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A year ago Speaker Johnson said he would not allow the House to be in the position they are in now. A year ago.
But this goatrope is a sign of Trumps mental illness?
I can't even.
But this goatrope is a sign of Trumps mental illness?
I can't even.
Posted by: blaster at December 20, 2024 01:18 PM (QfvaV)
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38 Repubs voted against. Our biggest downfall, IMO, is that we are unable to close ranks and act as one. Ever. The Democrats do it all the time. Hence, this is why we lose.
Just because its a GOP idea doesn't make it a good idea. I'm glad this Shit Idea Part Deux failed.
Just because its a GOP idea doesn't make it a good idea. I'm glad this Shit Idea Part Deux failed.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 01:18 PM (yq9Cj)
391
When I saw inside a Party City the first and only time, I was stunned how much worthless plasticrap they could stuff into 50,000 sq ft.
Posted by: Hacked gp's Feed Off The Bird at December 20, 2024 01:18 PM (1VvJB)
392
No one has taken a dump on Nancy Pelosi's desk in nearly four years.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 20, 2024 01:18 PM (YzqWW)
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Preach it, whig. I cannot stand Foghorn Leghorn on FOX. Never could. I put Jim Jordan in that category as well. A total show horse.
Posted by: Darrell Harris
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Who's this guy on Fox? I don't watch it so outta the loop I guess... But yeah, Jim Jordan is full of it. Credit to ace for illuminating that. I guess they're all full of it but if we conservatives can't support pushes for fiscal responsibility, we're all just playing on borrowed time and screwing the future...
Posted by: Darrell Harris
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Who's this guy on Fox? I don't watch it so outta the loop I guess... But yeah, Jim Jordan is full of it. Credit to ace for illuminating that. I guess they're all full of it but if we conservatives can't support pushes for fiscal responsibility, we're all just playing on borrowed time and screwing the future...
Posted by: bearski at December 20, 2024 01:19 PM (Bhsk7)
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347 Thanks for the insight, Whig. I really don't know how to interpret the chicanery.
Posted by: fd
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You can find good information on X by some congressional insiders leaking to reporters. Musk turning his AI Grok model onto the Christmas tree bill and then subsequently the 'clean' CR is a welcome advance as well.
Any congressional law, especially spending bills, uses obscure and often misleading provisions because they alter existing laws outside of the bill. Piecing together what these CRs do in effect requires literally iterative searches of the pre existing laws and spending bills to figure out what in the hell the current bill will actually do.
This is where the staffs, k-street lobbyists, a few congressional leaders like Schumer or McConnell, etc. and interest groups negotiate before teh bill ever reaches the floor. It is designed to mislead, panic the markets and people, and ultimately force a shit sandwich down the throat of voters to enrich insiders and their friends.
Posted by: fd
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You can find good information on X by some congressional insiders leaking to reporters. Musk turning his AI Grok model onto the Christmas tree bill and then subsequently the 'clean' CR is a welcome advance as well.
Any congressional law, especially spending bills, uses obscure and often misleading provisions because they alter existing laws outside of the bill. Piecing together what these CRs do in effect requires literally iterative searches of the pre existing laws and spending bills to figure out what in the hell the current bill will actually do.
This is where the staffs, k-street lobbyists, a few congressional leaders like Schumer or McConnell, etc. and interest groups negotiate before teh bill ever reaches the floor. It is designed to mislead, panic the markets and people, and ultimately force a shit sandwich down the throat of voters to enrich insiders and their friends.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 01:19 PM (ctrM5)
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>>The very fact that we find ourselves in this situation tells me the whole big corrupt B.S. pile of crapola in D.C. needs to be shut down, stomped on, set alight and finally peed upon by the U.S. Taxpayers.
Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you.
Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 20, 2024 01:19 PM (LkLld)
396
Johnson I believe made that promise as well and early this year there were reports that the committees were working hard on making that promise. Don't know what happened between then and now.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 01:15 PM (fs1hN
"Working hard"...Haha.
And, they lied. That's what happened.
They can't help it, it's what they do. It's all they do.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 01:15 PM (fs1hN
"Working hard"...Haha.
And, they lied. That's what happened.
They can't help it, it's what they do. It's all they do.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 20, 2024 01:19 PM (FCbAQ)
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Anyone else remember when Ace was going to kick us off the blog for not supporting TARP?
He's evolved.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 01:14 PM (yq9Cj)
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What's the next form for an Ewok pokemon?
He's evolved.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 01:14 PM (yq9Cj)
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What's the next form for an Ewok pokemon?
Posted by: Axeman at December 20, 2024 01:19 PM (krQz2)
398
When I saw inside a Party City the first and only time, I was stunned how much worthless plasticrap they could stuff into 50,000 sq ft.
Posted by: Hacked gp's Feed Off The Bird at December 20, 2024 01:18 PM (1VvJB)
*Wal-Mart has entered the chat.
Posted by: Hacked gp's Feed Off The Bird at December 20, 2024 01:18 PM (1VvJB)
*Wal-Mart has entered the chat.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 20, 2024 01:19 PM (Zz0t1)
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I still think there is a nonzero chance that once Trump has his team in place and sees progress in MAGA/MAHA he'll assess where he wants to be in 2026. If things are going well, I can see him stepping aside to give Vance a chance to run the country for ten years (two terms plus two years). No lame duck time then. The ultimate George Washington move.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 20, 2024 12:59 PM (fJJtc)
This sounds a lot like what Democrats were saying about Biden/Harris in 2020.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 20, 2024 12:59 PM (fJJtc)
This sounds a lot like what Democrats were saying about Biden/Harris in 2020.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 20, 2024 01:20 PM (ExV1e)
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392 No one has taken a dump on Nancy Pelosi's desk in nearly four years.
Posted by: Boss Moss
Not that you know of anyway.
*wink*
Posted by: Boss Moss
Not that you know of anyway.
*wink*
Posted by: Joe Biden at December 20, 2024 01:20 PM (fs1hN)
401
Make the Ottoman Empire Great Again.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 20, 2024 01:20 PM (YzqWW)
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...That 'shutdown' where they paid OT to block views of things otherwise wide open should have exposed team Obama to be the vicious authoritarian thugs that they are. Unfortunately to this day almost half the country supports that.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 20, 2024 01:15 PM (/lPRQ)
I remember that and you are absolutely correct in that it showed how vicious a thug Obama was. And is. I also remember veterans not being allowed to visit a WWII memorial IIRC. Sadly, most don't remember and the thug Obama maintains a favorable impression among too many.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 20, 2024 01:15 PM (/lPRQ)
I remember that and you are absolutely correct in that it showed how vicious a thug Obama was. And is. I also remember veterans not being allowed to visit a WWII memorial IIRC. Sadly, most don't remember and the thug Obama maintains a favorable impression among too many.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at December 20, 2024 01:20 PM (hwLGC)
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No one has taken a dump on Nancy Pelosi's desk in nearly four years.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 20, 2024 01:18 PM (YzqWW)
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Joe can fix that problem.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 20, 2024 01:18 PM (YzqWW)
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Joe can fix that problem.
Posted by: Axeman at December 20, 2024 01:20 PM (krQz2)
404
Biden can still wink? He looks like he can't even blink!
Posted by: Jetto at December 20, 2024 01:21 PM (2zWFh)
405
Since I've been working from home all week, I've noticed my kitties spend a lot of time locked in the napping position...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
Hey! Hey!
*snaps fingers*
I'm over here. Sheesh.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
Hey! Hey!
*snaps fingers*
I'm over here. Sheesh.
Posted by: your computer monitor at December 20, 2024 01:21 PM (v0R5T)
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But this goatrope is a sign of Trumps mental illness?
I can't even.
Posted by: blaster
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Nope. It is failure theater brought to you by the GOP House failing to do their committee spending bills on time. Trump simply wants this shit over with before he takes office with a clean extension and the same debt ceiling suspension that the GOP House willingly gave Biden for two years.
I can't even.
Posted by: blaster
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Nope. It is failure theater brought to you by the GOP House failing to do their committee spending bills on time. Trump simply wants this shit over with before he takes office with a clean extension and the same debt ceiling suspension that the GOP House willingly gave Biden for two years.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 01:21 PM (ctrM5)
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406 Nope. It is failure theater brought to you by the GOP House failing to do their committee spending bills on time. Trump simply wants this shit over with before he takes office with a clean extension and the same debt ceiling suspension that the GOP House willingly gave Biden for two years.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 01:21 PM (ctrM5)
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Weird how this happened after Johnson promised that one more CR in the summer was all they needed in order to have the time to go to regular budgetary order.
Just...weird.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 01:21 PM (ctrM5)
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Weird how this happened after Johnson promised that one more CR in the summer was all they needed in order to have the time to go to regular budgetary order.
Just...weird.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 20, 2024 01:22 PM (GBKbO)
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This situation will get out of hand. It will get out of hand and we will be luck to survive it.
Posted by: blaster at December 20, 2024 01:22 PM (QfvaV)
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nood
Posted by: Hacked gp's Feed Off The Bird at December 20, 2024 01:22 PM (1VvJB)
410
Repeal the Income Tax. Tariffs all the way.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 20, 2024 01:23 PM (YzqWW)
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"Working hard"...Haha.
And, they lied. That's what happened.
They can't help it, it's what they do. It's all they do.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
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We need an indefatigable reporter on X covering the lying congressional Republican beat, to keep the heat on them. Someone that can do what Julie Kelly does on the J6 political prisoners.
And, they lied. That's what happened.
They can't help it, it's what they do. It's all they do.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
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We need an indefatigable reporter on X covering the lying congressional Republican beat, to keep the heat on them. Someone that can do what Julie Kelly does on the J6 political prisoners.
Posted by: Joe Biden at December 20, 2024 01:23 PM (fs1hN)
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396 Johnson I believe made that promise as well and early this year there were reports that the committees were working hard on making that promise. Don't know what happened between then and now.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 01:15 PM (fs1hN
"Working hard"...Haha.
And, they lied. That's what happened.
They can't help it, it's what they do. It's all they do.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
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DC has become addicted to the CR to hide its spending and borrowing and before that is was the Budget Omnibus which had all sorts of crap inserted at the last minute.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 20, 2024 01:15 PM (fs1hN
"Working hard"...Haha.
And, they lied. That's what happened.
They can't help it, it's what they do. It's all they do.
Posted by: OneEyedJack
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DC has become addicted to the CR to hide its spending and borrowing and before that is was the Budget Omnibus which had all sorts of crap inserted at the last minute.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 01:23 PM (ctrM5)
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Nood fake news networks
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 20, 2024 01:23 PM (6RwsA)
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The Druze in Syria have already said they would prefer to be part of Israel. Will be interesting if Syria ends up being carved up.
But I thought maintaining the internationally recognized sovereign borders was essential to maintaining the global order and that separatist regions couldn't just vote to join another country?
But I thought maintaining the internationally recognized sovereign borders was essential to maintaining the global order and that separatist regions couldn't just vote to join another country?
Posted by: So Confusing at December 20, 2024 01:24 PM (Djkcg)
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Nancy Mace stated the slimmed version spent the same as the bloated version....so no. And it wasn't going to reach 2/3 anyway. Nobody should have voted for either version.
Break it up into single issue bills.
Break it up into single issue bills.
Posted by: torabora at December 20, 2024 01:24 PM (0Gnoc)
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Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 20, 2024 01:19 PM (LkLld)
Wow. The circle is closed. We're in complete agreement, and I'll foot the bill for herb while we tool around on your boat listening to Jerry Garcia.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 20, 2024 01:19 PM (LkLld)
Wow. The circle is closed. We're in complete agreement, and I'll foot the bill for herb while we tool around on your boat listening to Jerry Garcia.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 01:24 PM (yq9Cj)
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Turkey taking over Syria is not a good development.
Posted by: runner
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The U.S. should do that. Then use the place as a dumping ground for nuclear waste and criminals.
Posted by: runner
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The U.S. should do that. Then use the place as a dumping ground for nuclear waste and criminals.
Posted by: wth at December 20, 2024 01:25 PM (v0R5T)
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Everything that happens in Washington DC makes perfect sense if you start with the base assumption that the government is corrupt and full of crooks from top to bottom. Coincidentally.
Posted by: davidt at December 20, 2024 01:25 PM (i0F8b)
419
Trump simply wants this shit over with before he takes office with a clean extension and the same debt ceiling suspension that the GOP House willingly gave Biden for two years.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 01:21 PM (ctrM5)
No. No more kiting checks. Not even to "make it fair". This isn't hard to understand.
Posted by: whig at December 20, 2024 01:21 PM (ctrM5)
No. No more kiting checks. Not even to "make it fair". This isn't hard to understand.
Posted by: Don't Care at December 20, 2024 01:26 PM (yq9Cj)
420
410 Repeal the Income Tax. Tariffs all the way.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 20, 2024 01:23 PM (YzqWW)
The Income Tax Constitutional Amendment does not have to be repealed to zero-out the Federal Income Tax. All that needs to be done is enact a law that eliminates Federal Income Tax.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 20, 2024 01:23 PM (YzqWW)
The Income Tax Constitutional Amendment does not have to be repealed to zero-out the Federal Income Tax. All that needs to be done is enact a law that eliminates Federal Income Tax.
Posted by: Gref at December 20, 2024 01:27 PM (aBgBM)
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But the proposed budget for bridge is still $8 Billion! I just looked-up the current estimated cost for a new Ford-class nuclear aircraft carrier. $13.3 Billion. Holy cow.
Posted by: Gref at December 20, 2024 01:00 PM (aBgBM)
How about just don't replace the bridge at all? Will Baltimore turn into a shithole?
Posted by: Gref at December 20, 2024 01:00 PM (aBgBM)
How about just don't replace the bridge at all? Will Baltimore turn into a shithole?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 20, 2024 01:36 PM (8zz6B)
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