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Saturday Evening Movie Thread - 12/21/2024

IT


A couple of years ago, I decided that I was going to read Stephen King's novels in publishing order until they bored me. I've made it into his 80s output, and I picked up IT, his magnum opus. Reading it in about a month, the 1200 page novel is...a complete and total mess. The first 20% had me hooked, though. It was great. There was this promise and sense of ill-defined danger that worked marvelously well as King jumped us between 1958 and 1985 with this sense of impending doom infecting everything.

And then things began to unravel. He focuses fully on 1958 for a long stretch, and it feels like a more typical King novel than the promise of greatness that had started things. There's a heavy issue with repetitive vignettes that don't actually feel that dangerous because kids keep escaping the central monster. The adults don't actually have a whole lot to do, and when they do become the focus just after the halfway point, they also go through their repetitive, but not dangerous vignettes. Things really pick up again in the final 20% of the book when the jumping between time periods ramps up as both adults and children go into the sewers underneath the central New England town of Derry, Maine, danger ramping up once more. And then...King lets his freak flag fly while also demonstrating that he doesn't know how to pull off endings or fulfill the promise of Lovecraftian horror like he would dream.

And yet...there are people who love this book. Love it. Think it's one of the greatest pieces of English literature ever written. I'm only noting that I don't agree, and I think I am closer to the general consensus which is: good, not great, and could use real editing (I'd go with okay, not good, and in need of an axe).

In the context of film, that presents an interesting question. The book has been adapted twice over the past thirty-five years. The first was on network television, a three-hour mini-series on ABC directed by Tommy Lee Wallace (an early close compatriot of John Carpenter). The second was a two-part, big budget, feature film directed by Andy Muschietti. With such a large, messy, and generally accepted flawed original source material, it presents an interesting case study in how to approach adaptations. Add in the fact that both filmed versions are actually quite different from each other, and you've got an interesting slice of cinematic adaptation.

And, as a note, this is going to feel a fair bit opaque to those not at least passingly familiar with the characters. Sorry, but I don't think I can drag this out another 1,000 words to give that clarity. It's way too long as it is.

The Book


I'm reminded of a quote from Orson Welles when discussing his own approach to adaptation saying, that it's required of a filmmaking making an adaptation to make changes. The mediums are simply different and cannot transfer directly. The most loyal adaptation that recreates every line would just be a recitation of the book's text with still images. One must change things, a lot of things, to adapt. So, IT is kind of an ideal source. There's going to be disagreement about what to change, what to include, and what to outright excise (that late scene with the Losers Club in the sewers and Bev's solution to get out...that should get excised and I don't think I want to know anyone who argues otherwise).

All of the choices are subjective, of course. I think I could make the case for not including Pennywise the Clown (not a decision I would make should I be suddenly granted the money and opportunity to make another adaptation), so you have to take a step back and look at the large choices to be made. The book is filled with large (and many, many small) things, so what do you keep? What do you highlight? What do you downplay?

Well, I have my own preferences, and they start with the book's structure. On the grand scale, the structure jumping back and forth between the two time periods is easily the best thing in the whole book. It creates this path of discovery for the audience that mirrors the main characters in both timelines (the execution is often clunky and unnatural, especially transitioning from one to the next, but it overall works very well), and it provides framing for the adults that that half of the story desperately needs (the adults really don't do much in the book until the finale). I would like to see that built into any adaptation.

Another really good thing in the book is the relationships between the kids. Aside from Mike, who's introduced to the Losers Club shockingly late, the kids feel like...kids interacting with each other and facing down something bigger than them. There's a genuine aspect to them that goes beyond the often poorly written dialogue from King. The secret to King's success is always his characters, and IT is a good example of that.

I also find the history of Derry to be interesting, Mike's research tracing back in time the different awful history of the town that is Its bloody trail, mostly told through oral histories he picks up from the older members of the town. It's not something that's easy to dramatize, working better in a literary form than a cinematic one, but it's something I'd want to see in an adaptation.

However, talking about good things, one must also mention the bad things. As previously mentioned, the dialogue is generally not good. No need to keep that for the sake of loyalty to the source. Stan is largely a non-character. The adults don't have a lot to do. Both adult and child sections have long stretches that are little more than loosely connected horror vignettes that end with the characters involved getting away. Having that happen repeatedly makes the monster chasing them far less scary, no matter how gross the vignettes can get (emblematic of King's tendency to just write in circles until he eventually found something like a point). The ending is a disappointment with the Lovecraftian terror that is IT ultimately just being a big spider. Also...getting out of the sewers is just...wrong.

So, in terms of adaptation, there's a lot to sort through. What choices did the two make?

Television

The biggest thing that television series tries to port from the book is the structure. Well, sort of. The television series works best in the first hour or so when it does do the jumping back and forth from the adults to their memories as children. However, because the television movie was broken into two parts to play over two nights, the first one has to end with a climax and denouement, so Wallace chose to show how the children defeated the eponymous monster at the end of the first episode. One of the points in the book where the cross-cutting of timelines works best is when King is cross-cutting during the competing confrontations with It across the two timelines. It's a tense way to deliver the information on the two events as they feed into each other with, essentially, different characters going through the same space at different times. It works really well. Isolating the child and adult confrontations with It robs the two events of that supplementary quality.

Regarding structure, that decision also makes the second episode...really weird. The children's story is finished, but the adults are still digging up memories and marching towards their own confrontation with It. So, that means that we're getting a bunch of memories, like Bev's moment with the blood in the bathroom sink, well after we've watched the kids defeat It. The decision is very bizarre, and it deflates the second half even more than the overall focus on the adults who are generally not that interesting and don't do much but wander around, experience horror vignettes, and eventually find their way into the sewers. Highlighting the adult section by letting it stand on its own is a mistake.

The medium of network television also prevented Wallace from getting too deep into the horror that King described in often vivid detail, so things like Richie facing the werewolf end up feeling a bit tame. Scary enough for network television, but not much else. This isn't helped at all by the rather cheap budget and short filming time which creates a very flat visual look to almost everything, death to most horror. It ends up being a fairly literal adaptation, making few major changes, condensing heavily, trying to keep focus on the characters, and eliminating the vast majority of small side characters that King populated the book with.

Being fairly literal, though, it retains a lot of what makes the book frustrating to me, namely the feeling of random vignettes in a row. Kid/adult encounters It. Kid/adult gets scared. Kid/adult runs away without getting touched. I think it works slightly better here, though, because it just doesn't take as long as in the book which is two separate sections of a solid 100 pages each that does the same thing that the series does in a few minutes. It also retains King's disappointing ending where he reveals It in Its full form, and it's a giant spider. I mean, King spends a lot of time calling It this otherworldly, eternal thing, but he doesn't have the imagination to even imply some truly alien form. He settles with "the closest thing they can come up with is a giant spider" before he ends up calling it "the giant spider" for the rest of the section. So, the film just puts a giant spider in its finale. What doesn't work in the book doesn't work in the TV movie.

Overall, the TV adaptation is a very literal adaptation that makes plenty of changes to fit the story into the medium of network television movie. It makes some curious changes to the structure while trying to retain some of it, but ultimately it's a safe work that retains more issues from the book than tries to fix them.

Feature Film(s)

The assortment of production companies (including New Line Cinema, who funded a three-part adaptation of The Lord of the Rings before the first one was even fully written) would only fund an adaptation of IT one at a time. So, they made the first part, released it, took in the cash, and then greenlit the second part. So, this led to major structural changes, especially in the first part, and I think it requires treating to two separately to some degree.

Chapter One


The biggest choice that Andy Muschietti made regarding the adaptation is keeping the children's story wholly contained in the first part. If one were to split the original novel into two halves, between the tales of children and adults, it's the children's story that works best independently. The adult section is so intimately tied to the children's section, King playing (not entirely successfully) with the idea of memory in the adult section that it cannot stand alone. The children's section is fodder for its own telling, and that's what Muschietti does.

The biggest difference between the feature film's treatment of the material and the television adaptation of this part of the book is the overall approach to cinematic storytelling. The TV adaptation feels like a book adaptation. The feature film feels like a movie. It still retains much of the issues with the book, but scenes aren't quite as choppily put together, and the whole thing actually looks like a movie instead of a cheap TV production. I mean...I appreciate that. There's also this effort to make the series of horror vignettes feel more impactful and spread out rather than in a row, like the adaptation largely maintained. It ends up retaining a lot of the events of the film like Eddie encountering the Leper, for instance, but because they're spread out and spaced out better than the book, it's less obvious that it's just a series of close calls. It's interesting, though, that there's no werewolf. It's very prominent in the book, and even the TV adaptation included it.

And the werewolf isn't in it because Pennywise the Clown gets far more attention than even the book gives it. Pennywise is the most prominent form of It in the book, but he's far from a majority. He's more like a prominent plurality. The rest is largely dedicated to the Mummy and the Werewolf with a smattering of other things all over the place (like the insane bully's dead friends guiding him in the adult section), but the most prominent scene of It with the group of kids outside the finale has It being in the form of the werewolf (when they all go to the rundown house). This means that It is in only one form when it scares the children: a clown.

The Pennywise shape is explicitly done to lure kids in close to then feed on them. And then, the film has him be a source of terror in that form too. It's both, but those are mutually exclusive things. That leads to these amped up terror moments when Pennywise shuffles forward fast with his head jerking about as the only way to scare things. And that's kind of how the whole film approaches horror: big and obvious. There's no tension. It's mostly just big scary noises. It's more of a general approach to horror in film in the 2010s, but it's a difference in adaptation from the source. It's something that irks me, not because it's different, but because that type of horror is not scary, I don't think.

Another change is that they give the kids a more personal motive to go into the sewers to face It in the form of It kidnapping Bev. They have to come back together after a fight (not in the books) to save their best friend, and it even gives us a moment where It demonstrates why he scares kids instead of how King does it: giving It a handful of chapters late where It essentially explains itself.

In terms of adaptation, I think Chapter One is the best of the three. Not the most faithful, but the one that does the job best of moving the story from one medium to the next.

Chapter Two


And...then we get to the adult section. The adult section in the book is just not that robust. The adults receive the calls from Mike. They leave their lives to go to Derry (or not, in Stan's case). They meet at the Chinese restaurant and bond again. And then Mike...has them wander Derry for an afternoon to recover more memories, or something, which leads to the horror vignettes. Afterwards, they meet at the library, talk some more, one gets attacked by the old bully Henry Bowers, and they have to go down to the sewers two short instead of at full power with seven. For half of a 1200 page book, it's not a lot of story.

A nearly 3-hour movie about this is going to go very thin, and Muschietti made the choice to do what the TV adaptation did: input childhood memories into the story when the childhood section is already complete. This time they invent things not in the book, though, which is...whatever. It's nice to see the clubhouse appear, I guess. This really feels like an attempt to pump up runtime so that the producers could call the finished product "epic".

Anyway, the film actually moves through the reunion pretty quickly, and leaving us with a lot of time to focus on the dispersal across Derry. However, Muschietti comes up with an actual reason: The Ritual of Chud. The Ritual of Chud was in the book, but it was more about locking eyes with It and making it laugh, a facade for facing down this thing of fear and making it clear that you're not afraid of it. The film introduces busyness to collect mementos from the adults' childhood to burn in an old Native American urn for reasons. I mean...it's really just a fetch quest of dubious use, but it's something other than, "Just go, we'll meet up later."

That does create the series of vignettes again, and it's where the film suffers the most. The reappearance of the kids' storylines ends up creating new events where the kids faced off with It, and they're aligned with the adults' encounters. So, we're getting double encounters with It where we know that the people will survive...for more than an hour. It drags. The movie drags badly.

The confrontation with It in the end is much, much longer in the film than it is in the book, with each adult going into hallucinations from their past with Pennywise taunting them. At least Muschietti was determined to not just do a giant spider. We do get Pennywise's head on a giant spider with a heavier emphasis on the Dead Lights (from the book, but also present in the first feature film) that implies It being something bigger and more menacing than just a scary monster. I mean, the whole third act drags out way too long, but at least there's a real attempt at making the spider a mask for something more, though King's own description was that the spider form was It unmasked.

Choices


I've gone long, so let's wrap this up...

It used to be that film was seen as this idealized form for a story in popular culture, that every great book needed to become a movie. That has shifted over the past decade or so where everyone wants their favorite book to be a long miniseries like Game of Thrones. And yet...imagine Jaws as a 10 part miniseries instead of the tight 2-hour film that Spielberg put out in the 70s.

Anyway, my point is that IT doesn't need a 25-hour adaptation on Prime, or whatever. It needs, at most, 5-6 hours. You don't need to spend pages of the pseudo-intellectualizing by 10-year old characters. You don't need the series of repetitive horror vignettes. Heck, I don't think you need all of the characters (Stan, in particular, could get cut pretty easily, and I think there's an argument for combining Mike and Ben).

That being said, the two adaptations, purely from the angle of the task of adaptation, are not bad. They retain the core of the book (the kids and their relationships). They retain a lot of events from the book. They ultimately feel like they belong in their own medium instead of being awkward attempts in the wrong one (this is how I view Pet Semetary). The most loyal would be the television adaptation. The best of them is probably Chapter One (though I don't think I'd quite call it good). The most improved is honestly Chapter Two because the adult section of the book is such a wet fart for a long stretch, and at least the ending of the movie works decently.

They all make choices. They all change things. Some big things get changed a whole lot. A whole host of smaller things get changed (Ben being the historian of Derry instead of Mike feels like a crime against Mike). The choices are subjective. The source is flawed. The flaws come through. Some are fixed sometimes, but they're often just left along, translated into the new medium uncritically.

Anyway, I'm done. That's enough. It was an interesting thought experiment. I think the end result is as messy and cluttered as King's original novel.

Sorry about that.

Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:

Sonic the Hedgehog 3

Mufasa: The Lion King

Movies I Saw This Fortnight:

The Incredible Shrinking Woman (Rating 1.5/4) Full Review "Anyway, it's generally not that funny. The plot doesn't really work. The special effects and production design are really good." [Library]

D.C. Cab (Rating 0.5/4) Full Review "He ends up creating this slog of a film that never comes together, never entertains, and never engages." [Library]

St. Elmo's Fire (Rating 1/4) Full Review "Joel Schumacher really wanted to be the Robert Altman for Gen-X, didn't he?" [Library]

The Lost Boys (Rating 2.5/4) Full Review "I mean, I sort of get its enduring appeal. It's pretty fun, but it's also frustrating at the same time." [Library]

Flatliners (Rating 2/4) Full Review "So, I didn't hate it, despite my long list of narrative grievances targeted at its script. Schumacher is a largely unimaginative director, unable to take the material from Filardi and take it in a direction more interesting, but he makes the most of what's on the page." [Library]

Dying Young (Rating 0.5/4) Full Review "This movie is trash. It was approached poorly by Schumacher and then fixed badly by him after test screenings." [Library]

Batman Forever (Rating 0.5/4) Full Review "So, no, I don't like this movie at all. It's really bad. I do appreciate the visual look of the film, which is pretty consistently interesting, but it's far from enough to get me through even singular scenes much less the whole thing. Really, this is the worst Batman live-action film." [Personal Collection]

Batman & Robin (Rating 1.5/4) Full Review "Is this fun? Some childish part of me doesn't hate it, but it's poorly written, poorly performed, and kind of dumb. It might be some of the closest I get to ironically enjoying a film because I don't enjoy it." [Personal Collection]

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My next post will be on 1/11, and it will be about the directed works of Joel Schumacher.

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Comments

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1 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at December 21, 2024 07:45 PM (fwDg9)

2 I like the Alistair Sim version of A Christmas Carol.

Posted by: jsg at December 21, 2024 07:50 PM (Aq3kJ)

3 Wow... that was the longest thing I've never read.

Posted by: jim at December 21, 2024 07:51 PM (p9OE+)

4 Read the content

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 21, 2024 07:51 PM (OTdqV)

5 Hey Skip, how's your thumb feeling? Better?

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 21, 2024 07:52 PM (OTdqV)

6 3 Wow... that was the longest thing I've never read.
Posted by: jim at December 21, 2024 07:51 PM (p9OE+)

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This is smartness.

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 07:53 PM (4LF+x)

7 Mind if we dance wif yo dates?

Posted by: Gigantic Dude at December 21, 2024 07:53 PM (JkO4W)

8 That was a King-sized analysis, TJM. Coulda used some editing.

I kid!

Never read the book, didn't see the movies. Watched the tv movie decades later and thought it was pretty good, as King adaptions go. I liked how the friends started questioning their memories and forcing through a willful ignorance to confront what really occurred.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Agent of Chaos at December 21, 2024 07:54 PM (kpS4V)

9 I don't get It.

Posted by: fd at December 21, 2024 07:54 PM (vFG9F)

10 7 Mind if we dance wif yo dates?
Posted by: Gigantic Dude at December 21, 2024 07:53 PM
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Which Bev, though?

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 07:54 PM (4LF+x)

11 I heard Mufasa is projected to flatline. Poor Disney.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 21, 2024 07:54 PM (dDmld)

12 A really faithful adaptation of a book was "The Silence of the Lambs." I'd read the book before seeing the movie, and when I saw the movie I got nothing different from it than reading the book.

Well acted, of course, and handsomely produced, but...it was just like the book. (Yes, a couple of minor things got dropped, but the through-story was the exact same.)

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2024 07:55 PM (CHHv1)

13 8 Never read the book, didn't see the movies. Watched the tv movie decades later and thought it was pretty good, as King adaptions go. I liked how the friends started questioning their memories and forcing through a willful ignorance to confront what really occurred.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Agent of Chaos at December 21, 2024 07:54 PM (kpS4V)

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The whole memory thing in the book never quite feels like more than an excuse for doing the time jump. It's the start of an idea that King never finishes, which is par for the course for him.

It's why I was interested in the idea of adapting the book before I watched the adaptations themselves. It felt like a great idea to explore for someone else.

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 07:56 PM (4LF+x)

14 Well though I seen I think all if It at one time or another, never ever all at once. That synopsis might make more sense than the dozen times I watched parts of It.

Posted by: Skip at December 21, 2024 07:57 PM (fwDg9)

15 An adaptation that I found very closely adhered to the source material was Kubrick's Clockwork Orange.

Posted by: davidt at December 21, 2024 07:57 PM (i0F8b)

16 Of new releases, looking forward to "Nosferatu", OF COURSE, and tomorrow I may take in "Homestead":

"A nuclear bomb is detonated in Los Angeles, and the nation devolves into unprecedented chaos. Ex-Green Beret Jeff Eriksson and his family escape to The Homestead, an eccentric prepper’s fortress nestled in the mountains. As violent threats and apocalyptic conditions creep toward their borders, the residents of The Homestead are left to wonder: how long can a group of people resist both the dangers of human nature and the bloodshed at their doorstep?"

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Agent of Chaos at December 21, 2024 07:57 PM (kpS4V)

17 9 I don't get It.
Posted by: fd at December 21, 2024 07:54 PM

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Hey...!

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Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 07:57 PM (4LF+x)

18 The only thing I've read by King was "Firestarter" and I had to make myself finish that. I must be missing something.

Posted by: fd at December 21, 2024 07:58 PM (vFG9F)

19 "It felt like a great idea to explore for someone else."
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Oooh, burn!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Agent of Chaos at December 21, 2024 07:58 PM (kpS4V)

20 vmom for going through about a 1inch and a half of my thumb it never hurt but was sensitive, but less every day.

Posted by: Skip at December 21, 2024 07:59 PM (fwDg9)

21 I think I need a break from the world: A Charlie Brown Christmas special.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 21, 2024 08:00 PM (VNX3d)

22 2 I like the Alistair Sim version of A Christmas Carol.

Only version we watch every year - truest to Dickens, and Alistair Sim, to boot! Amazing that he is so little remembered.

Posted by: Nazdar at December 21, 2024 08:01 PM (NcvvS)

23 Heh. I interrupted my reading of a 1300-page novel to read TJM's dissertation about an adaptation of a 1200-page novel...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 21, 2024 08:01 PM (BpYfr)

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Never read a word of Stephen King. I have no intention of reading a word of Stephen King.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 21, 2024 08:01 PM (dxSpM)

25 Heh. I interrupted my reading of a 1300-page novel to read TJM's dissertation about an adaptation of a 1200-page novel...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 21, 2024 08:01 PM (BpYfr)

That can't be War and Peace - the copy I have is 1450 pages. Shogun was 1270.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 21, 2024 08:02 PM (VNX3d)

26 I'm cranky and reactionary, so I'm agin any of these durn CGI remakes of Disney classics on principle.

There was so much character and expression and fluidity in the 2-D characters, and the "lifelike" versions seem flat and lifeless.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Agent of Chaos at December 21, 2024 08:02 PM (kpS4V)

27 I watched Criterion's 4k release of "Seven Samurai." You never feel the length of the movie at all, and it's almost three and a half hours long.

I've watched some 90 minute movies that felt like an eternity. Looking at you, Bill Rebane.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2024 08:02 PM (CHHv1)

28 That can't be War and Peace - the copy I have is 1450 pages. Shogun was 1270.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 21, 2024 08:02 PM (VNX3d)
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Wind and Truth

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 21, 2024 08:02 PM (BpYfr)

29 I think only book I read of King was Cujo

Posted by: Skip at December 21, 2024 08:03 PM (fwDg9)

30 24
Never read a word of Stephen King. I have no intention of reading a word of Stephen King.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 21, 2024 08:01 PM

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I was like this until a weird moment.

I decided to watch The Dark Tower. It's bad. Not recommended.

However, it had all of these little references to the larger universe that King had created through his books, namely a reference to The Crimson King, and I was intrigued.

So, me being me, I decided that the only way to figure this out wasn't to read a Wikipedia article or even to read the Dark Tower series, but to read all of King.

I think I'm an odd duck.

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 08:04 PM (4LF+x)

31 Carrie was a very good film adaptation of a freaky, scary book.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 08:04 PM (tQrL+)

32 27 I watched Criterion's 4k release of "Seven Samurai." You never feel the length of the movie at all, and it's almost three and a half hours long.

I've watched some 90 minute movies that felt like an eternity. Looking at you, Bill Rebane.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2024 08:02 PM (CHHv1)
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Seven Samurai is a great example of how people generally don't understand the cinematic reality of pacing.

By almost every measure people use and call pacing Seven Samurai fails, but it moves so easily for its entire 3.5 hours.

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 08:06 PM (4LF+x)

33 Was a big S. King fan but "It" was when he began to lose me. Agree that the first half was a page-turner, then he seemed to lose the thread...see also The Stand. Funny that he hated Kubrick's take on The Shining. I still think it is the best adaptation of any of his books, and I've seen most of them. Second place I think would be The Dead Zone...

Posted by: Joe Kidd at December 21, 2024 08:06 PM (Cbio9)

34 31 Carrie was a very good film adaptation of a freaky, scary book.
Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 08:04 PM (tQrL+)

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I like both versions!

But yes, the earlier, De Palma one is better.

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 08:07 PM (4LF+x)

35 I haven't read the book, nor seen the two films, but I am pleased that someone has finally recognized Information Technology for the rich human endeavor it is.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 21, 2024 08:07 PM (a3Q+t)

36 There was so much character and expression and fluidity in the 2-D characters, and the "lifelike" versions seem flat and lifeless.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Agent of Chaos at December 21, 2024 08:02 PM (kpS4V)

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I would be up for an all-animal version of Hamlet. If only Gilbert Gottfried was still alive to voice Polonius.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 21, 2024 08:07 PM (dDmld)

37 33 Was a big S. King fan but "It" was when he began to lose me. Agree that the first half was a page-turner, then he seemed to lose the thread...see also The Stand. Funny that he hated Kubrick's take on The Shining. I still think it is the best adaptation of any of his books, and I've seen most of them. Second place I think would be The Dead Zone...

Posted by: Joe Kidd at December 21, 2024 08:06 PM (Cbio9)

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I don't think King understands why his own books work or not, so King railing against Kubrick, who improved his book, never moves me.

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 08:08 PM (4LF+x)

38
Missed last week's Movie Thread. I read Conclave and rather enjoyed it. Anyone who thinks the Vatican isn't some cauldron of intrigue is delusional.

But almost all these Vatican novels pit progressives as the protagonists and traditionalists as evil meanies. It would be fun to see Windswept House as a film.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 21, 2024 08:09 PM (dxSpM)

39 Does Pennywise ever hook up with Poundfoolish?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 21, 2024 08:09 PM (a3Q+t)

40 As for King, I think he was pretty good for about his first four or five books. "Carrie" isn't very good, as it's one of those "here's what happened, and here's what led to it" things.

"Salem's Lot" and "The Shining" are pretty good. I read "The Tommyknockers" and thought it had a good central idea, but boy did it need an editor. (I think he was Superking by this point.) "The Stand" ditto.

Some of his short stories are OK, but a lot of them are kind of dumb.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2024 08:09 PM (CHHv1)

41 I like both versions!

But yes, the earlier, De Palma one is better.
Posted by: TJM's phone at

There's more than one?
Sissy Spacek is just great. As was the woman who played her mother.

Pet Semetary was a very scary book. Never saw the movie. Figured it would be stupid.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 08:10 PM (tQrL+)

42 So, me being me, I decided that the only way to figure this out wasn't to read a Wikipedia article or even to read the Dark Tower series, but to read all of King.

I think I'm an odd duck.
Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 08:04 PM (4LF+x)


Having done some reading of King (not a lot) and F. Paul Wilson (much more) I prefer Wilson. Better prose, better characters, better plots, and far better horror.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 21, 2024 08:10 PM (D7oie)

43 Not by King but by his loinfruit Joe Hill, the series "Nos4A2" was well done, and I believe Hill's mythos intertwines with King's world.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Agent of Chaos at December 21, 2024 08:10 PM (kpS4V)

44 The first 20% had me hooked, though.


And that is Stephen King novels in a nutshell with me. Start out great, lose me in the middle, and if I hang around to the end, I might get a payoff, mostly I don't. Meh on Stephen King.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at December 21, 2024 08:10 PM (Kdi1r)

45 More pages than a congressional spending bill.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 21, 2024 08:11 PM (63Dwl)

46 Skip, that's good!

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at December 21, 2024 08:11 PM (OTdqV)

47 "Christine" is a fairly good King adaptation. "Firestarter" has this great cast and is really pretty bad.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2024 08:11 PM (CHHv1)

48 41 There's more than one?
Sissy Spacek is just great. As was the woman who played her mother.

Pet Semetary was a very scary book. Never saw the movie. Figured it would be stupid.
Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 08:10 PM

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Remade about a decade ago with Hit Girl from Kick Ass as Carrie.

The 80s version of Pet Semetary feels like disconnected scenes from the book stitched together. Poster child for "the book is better".

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 08:11 PM (4LF+x)

49 Thinner was spooky.
I liked The Stand.
It scared me.

Cujo was popcorn, but a fun read.
The Shining was awesome. As was the film with Jack Nicholson.

Guess I read a lot of King. Oh well. So Sue me.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 08:12 PM (tQrL+)

50 If nothing else at least until I saw ending eventually was
A big spider? Really?
Better if it was Pennywise as a demon

Posted by: Skip at December 21, 2024 08:12 PM (fwDg9)

51 47 "Christine" is a fairly good King adaptation. "Firestarter" has this great cast and is really pretty bad.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2024 08:11 PM (CHHv1)

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Firestarter is where I think King started to lose any semblance of self control. It's his first massive mess, and the adaptation had no interest in fixing anything, making it even worse than the book.

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 08:13 PM (4LF+x)

52 Add Salem's Lot and Misery.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 08:14 PM (tQrL+)

53 50 If nothing else at least until I saw ending eventually was
A big spider? Really?
Better if it was Pennywise as a demon
Posted by: Skip at December 21, 2024 08:12 PM

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It's an eternal being with no shape.

But King doesn't know how to convey that, so he resorts to giant spider.

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 08:14 PM (4LF+x)

54 I didn't even know there was a Sonic 2, and now there's a 3?

Maybe unpoopular, but I liked the first Sonic movie. I don't know much about what they had to change, other than Sonic's look, but it's generally well done.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2024 08:14 PM (nNWCn)

55 King disliking Kubrick's "The Shining" is pretty rich, when contrasted with King's turn behind the camera for "Maximum Overdrive."

Or the remake of "The Shining" with King as screenwriter and producer.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2024 08:14 PM (CHHv1)

56 52 Add Salem's Lot and Misery.
Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 08:14 PM (tQrL+)


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Salem's Lot is apparently the only book my grandfather forbade my mother from reading. It was too scary, he thought.

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 08:15 PM (4LF+x)

57 Thanks for the movie thread.

I've been trying to find the most disturbing horror - slasher films I can. I did see "Children of the Corn" which was underwhelming. Unlikable liberal douchebags that I kind of wanted horrible things to happen to. "The Mist" was good but King really hates religion.



I tried something different yesterday and watched Amazon's "The Tomorrow War" starring Chris Pratt, who I have heard of. I looked it up. Amazon spent $200 million on that movie.

Interesting premise. Aliens attack Earth in 2050 and are wiping put humanity. The humans come back 30 years to recruit people to help them fight. Great effects. The aliens looked awesome. Nearly impossible to kill at first and later on they were dropping like flies with little effort.

So many plot holes. Plot chasms. $200 million and they couldn't get a few extra people to review the script?

It was a movie that looked up at the beautiful sky seeing an amazing world of possibilities, bent down, removed a sewer grate, ignored the sewage, descended and kept getting shittier and shittier with each passing minute. And I'm not that fussy. I haven't seen 5% of the movies many of you have.

3 out of 10.

Posted by: Stateless at December 21, 2024 08:16 PM (jvJvP)

58 It's an eternal being with no shape.

But King doesn't know how to convey that, so he resorts to giant spider.
Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 08:14 PM (4LF+x)
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It's hard enough to convey formless, eternal evil on the written page. It's impossible to do it in a visual medium.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 21, 2024 08:16 PM (BpYfr)

59 I must have been in my 20's when I read Salem's Lot, but it was terrifying. I wonder how it would hold up today.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 21, 2024 08:16 PM (dDmld)

60 I think I need a break from the world: A Charlie Brown Christmas special.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 21, 2024 08:00 PM (VNX3d)

Ahh! Big Penguin infiltrated one of my childhood favorites! Snoopy as a penguin! He's funnier as a vulture on Lucy's head, though.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 21, 2024 08:17 PM (VNX3d)

61 Salem's Lot is apparently the only book my grandfather forbade my mother from reading. It was too scary, he thought.
Posted by: TJM's phone at December


Rosemary's Baby (not King, I know) was far scarier than Salem's Lot.

Maybe because I was pregnant when I read it.

*shivers*

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 08:17 PM (tQrL+)

62 I have no opinion on It, not having read the book, nor seen the recent films. I did see the teevee version eons ago, but don't remember that much about it.

I was stuck in a hotel the other day, and the boy wanted to watch Home Alone 2. Funny how evil Tim Curry looks, no matter what character he's playing.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2024 08:18 PM (nNWCn)

63 King disliking Kubrick's "The Shining" is pretty rich, when contrasted with King's turn behind the camera for "Maximum Overdrive."

Or the remake of "The Shining" with King as screenwriter and producer.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2024 08:14 PM (CHHv1)


If the main character is a Mary Sue, then I could understand it.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 21, 2024 08:18 PM (D7oie)

64 58 It's hard enough to convey formless, eternal evil on the written page. It's impossible to do it in a visual medium.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 21, 2024 08:16 PM (BpYfr)

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I don't think it's impossible. It just requires going backwards instead of trying to go forwards.

Put perception back, say two dimensionally, and then imply from there.

We can't perceive 4 dimensions, but our imagination call begin to paint in 3 dimensions when only given 2.

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 08:18 PM (4LF+x)

65 I'm a little surprised "Eyes of the Dragon" hasn't been adapted to the screen yet. It's short enough it could easily fit into a 2-hour runtime (or a little more).

With the popularity of fantasy like Game of Thrones, it would be relatively simple to adapt.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 21, 2024 08:19 PM (BpYfr)

66 I watched "Red One" which isn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be (that should be the poster tagline), but no effing way it cost $350,000,000. There is some money laundering going on.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Agent of Chaos at December 21, 2024 08:19 PM (kpS4V)

67 Cujo was a great read. Tight. Never cared to see the movie, and from what I've heard, I chose wisely.

In the right hands, Thinner would be a great movie..

Posted by: Joe Kidd at December 21, 2024 08:19 PM (Cbio9)

68 I read The Dark Tower series when I was younger. I thought it was okay enough to finish. King does have recurring characters in his books. Randall Flagg is in a few, like The Stand and Eye of the Needle (which is a darn good read).

I liked Shadowland by Peter Straub more than most anything King wrote,though.

Posted by: jsg at December 21, 2024 08:20 PM (Aq3kJ)

69 It's hard enough to convey formless, eternal evil on the written page. It's impossible to do it in a visual medium.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 21, 2024 08:16 PM (BpYfr)

Buffy the Vampire Slayer enters the chat.

No, seriously, evil is whatever it wants to be, and the show does a great job illustrating that. Not least of all bringing back a dead character as a ghost, and trying to get other characters to think this ghost is trying to help.

Wildly effective when I first saw it.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2024 08:20 PM (nNWCn)

70 TJM then a demon maybe

Posted by: Skip at December 21, 2024 08:21 PM (fwDg9)

71 And that is Stephen King novels in a nutshell with me. Start out great, lose me in the middle, and if I hang around to the end, I might get a payoff, mostly I don't. Meh on Stephen King.
Posted by: Puddleglum

Same. He's a terrible writer. Just lazy awful.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at December 21, 2024 08:21 PM (b294k)

72 67 Cujo was a great read. Tight. Never cared to see the movie, and from what I've heard, I chose wisely.

In the right hands, Thinner would be a great movie..
Posted by: Joe Kidd at December 21, 2024 08:19 PM

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Factoid: King has no memory of writing Cujo he was so fucked up.

I think Thinner was made into a movie. It was also the last Richard Bachman book published before people figured out that he was King's pseudonym.

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 08:21 PM (4LF+x)

73 Thx TJM. Read some King when I was younger, like Salem's Lot and The Stand. Liked the first TV version of Salem's Lot with James Mason and David Soul. Liked that a lot , haven't seen the subsequent ones. The TV miniseries of The Stand was meh. The Shining was a good book and movie. Stand by Me was an interesting an ok story but a good movie. Seems like all of King's works bothe written and movie/TV adaptations are hit and miss, sometimes at the same time

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 21, 2024 08:21 PM (DopAq)

74 Sorry, Eyes of the Dragon.

Thanks, Prof Squirrel

Posted by: jsg at December 21, 2024 08:21 PM (Aq3kJ)

75 Every King novel follows the same pattern. Starts out intriguing, devolves into a cluster and then he has no idea how to end it.

The Stand was better than IT but ultimately also a mess.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 21, 2024 08:22 PM (LkLld)

76 Yowza! This fortnight's movies got kicked in their ratings balls

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 21, 2024 08:22 PM (L/fGl)

77 75 The Stand was better than IT but ultimately also a mess.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 21, 2024 08:22 PM

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I much prefer The Stand and think it works quite well. King was still trying, and I think it showed.

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 08:23 PM (4LF+x)

78 The De Palma version of "Carrie" is better than the book. And the opening is....

....

...very very special.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2024 08:23 PM (CHHv1)

79 ...very very special.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm

I had such a crush on Amy Irving in 1976 or whenever. Hubba hubba.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at December 21, 2024 08:24 PM (b294k)

80 Same. He's a terrible writer. Just lazy awful.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at December 21, 2024 08:21 PM (b294k)

And he is a deranged Leftard. I am quite content to not support him in any way.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 21, 2024 08:24 PM (8zz6B)

81 King disliking Kubrick's "The Shining" is pretty rich, when contrasted with King's turn behind the camera for "Maximum Overdrive."

Or the remake of "The Shining" with King as screenwriter and producer.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2024 08:14 PM (CHHv1)

There are pieces of any Kubrick film that are well done, but overall most of his films fail, because he's a piece of shit human being, and doesn't know how to treat characters like people.

Nor does he understand what ghosts are, apparently.

The book is great. His move is ultimately a failure.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2024 08:25 PM (nNWCn)

82 Buffy the Vampire Slayer enters the chat.

No, seriously, evil is whatever it wants to be, and the show does a great job illustrating that. Not least of all bringing back a dead character as a ghost, and trying to get other characters to think this ghost is trying to help.

Wildly effective when I first saw it.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2024 08:20 PM (nNWCn)
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The First was able to take on various forms, but we never saw its true shape. We really only saw it through the perceptions of the characters. It's an eldritch abomination of sorts, so to view it in its true form should blast the sanity right out of the viewer. It's easy to describe that in a written medium, but very difficult to convey that on screen, as we need our imaginations to fill in the gaps so that we are properly horrified.

When the evil is shown in all its glory on screen, it often loses something.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 21, 2024 08:26 PM (BpYfr)

83 I still love 'The Lost Boys'. Fun film

St. Elmo's Fire sucked. Bad. I hated all the characters.

The TV adaptation of 'It'. Haven't seen it in years but I recall liking it. Tim Reid and John Ritter were/are very good in most things they were in. RIP JR. Never saw the movie 'IT'.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at December 21, 2024 08:26 PM (Kdi1r)

84 Never read it. Never watched either TV or Movie adapts. And I’ve probably read every other King book, as horrible as some of them are. Can’t put my finger on It why though.

Posted by: epador at December 21, 2024 08:26 PM (ip9rs)

85 'that late scene with the Losers Club in the sewers and Bev's solution to get out'

There was a lot of good story for Stephen King fan but that scene fucked the book up for me.
One of the strengths of his books is you could identify with the characters and imagine you're doing what they're doing.
That got blown out of the water.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 21, 2024 08:26 PM (3wi/L)

86 Off-King, but I'm watching "Diva" one of those great 80's visual films. Oh, sorry, it's French.

Anyway, a policewoman comes across a corpse in the road. She clearly says "Merde!" but the subtitles say "F*ck!"

Quite a change from when a French character would say "Merde!" and the subtitles would say "Darn!"

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2024 08:26 PM (CHHv1)

87 I think the only book by King I ever read was the one about the JFK assassination. Started It but could...not....finish.

Posted by: Eromero at December 21, 2024 08:29 PM (LHPAg)

88 Quite a change from when a French character would say "Merde!" and the subtitles would say "Darn!"
Posted by: BeckoningChasm

There was a documentary I watched about a group in communist Romania, or some such, that would make copies of Western movies, but dubbed into Romanian. The Character would say "Fuck!" and the Romanian dubber would ALWAYS say "Go to hell!"

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at December 21, 2024 08:30 PM (b294k)

89 >>>Movies I Saw This Fortnight:

heh. Lots of clunkers to sit through. Not even one to make it worthwhile.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 21, 2024 08:31 PM (klJTj)

90 89 >>>Movies I Saw This Fortnight:

heh. Lots of clunkers to sit through. Not even one to make it worthwhile.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 21, 2024 08:31 PM

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I didn't want it this way! I wanted to have a good time!

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 08:32 PM (4LF+x)

91 Wolf Creek - Australia - 2005 - Tubi.

Based on actual events in the Australian Outback where you don't want your car to break down. Some beautiful shots of Australia. 9 out of 10.

Invasion of the Body Snatchers - I liked it. 9 out of 10.

Lifechanger - US - 2018 - Tubi. A dying shapeshifter has to constantly change bodies. Not too gory and was nicely different. 8.5 out of 10.

Hostel - 2005 - thought it would be more horrible. Unlikable main characters, story sucked. Lots of nice perky female breasts so 6 out of 10.

ABC's of Death - 26 short films about death - one for each letter from directors around the world. Cool. Different. 8.5 out of 10.

Finished all the 'Saw' series. Had to buy 3l very enjoyable. I really liked them.

Hey, Christmas movies. Technically the french movie "Inside" takes place late on Christmas Eve and into Christmas Day. It also mentally prepared me for the 'Saw' series. Quite a movie.

Everyone have a happy week.

Posted by: Stateless at December 21, 2024 08:33 PM (jvJvP)

92 heh. Lots of clunkers to sit through. Not even one to make it worthwhile.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous

I can sit here and read you morons, or I can watch MST3K Track of the Moon Beast on YouTube.

Oh, heck. I can do both. Has the game kicked off?

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at December 21, 2024 08:34 PM (b294k)

93 Quite a change from when a French character would say "Merde!" and the subtitles would say "Darn!"
Posted by: BeckoningChasm

War is heck!

https://youtu.be/7Thq-SBtukg

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 21, 2024 08:35 PM (L/fGl)

94 Freshman dies in kiln explosion.

Posted by: Archer at December 21, 2024 08:35 PM (IDphi)

95 I watched the most pointless movie I think I've seen -
"For the Plasma" - spoilers of course...

A young woman gets invited to a remote Maine house to work for her friend who has some sort of forest fire monitoring job - but she's actually some sort of psychic who can predict stock futures.

And...the film doesn't go anywhere. The non-psychic wanders around Maine...which is pretty enough but...we get no explanation of why the other girl can make these predictions, who she works for, or why the location in Maine matters. The movie ends with the psychic going off for some other employment as her friend asks her to explain anything and she refuses which I guess is meant to echo what the movie writer knew the audience was thinking?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 21, 2024 08:36 PM (oZhjI)

96 Maximum Overdrive is based on a SK short story that is very good. The ending is different than the movie. Not 'happy' at all.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at December 21, 2024 08:36 PM (Kdi1r)

97 94 Freshman dies in kiln explosion.
Posted by: Archer at December 21, 2024 08:35 PM (IDphi)

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She was going to make me a pot.

Posted by: Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman at December 21, 2024 08:37 PM (dDmld)

98 Buffy the Vampire Slayer enters the chat.

I still can't get over how bad the last season of that show was.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 21, 2024 08:37 PM (oZhjI)

99 IMO, SK is an over hyped hack.

Posted by: Archer at December 21, 2024 08:38 PM (IDphi)

100 96 Maximum Overdrive is based on a SK short story that is very good. The ending is different than the movie. Not 'happy' at all.
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at December 21, 2024 08:36 PM

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I don't think the original short story is all that. Day of the Triffids but with trucks.

Meh.

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 08:38 PM (4LF+x)

101 Is Maximum Overdrive the origin story for Pixar's Cars?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 21, 2024 08:38 PM (oZhjI)

102 I hate to spend money to be scared out of my seat.

Posted by: Eromero at December 21, 2024 08:38 PM (LHPAg)

103 33 Was a big S. King fan but "It" was when he began to lose me. Agree that the first half was a page-turner, then he seemed to lose the thread...see also The Stand. Funny that he hated Kubrick's take on The Shining. I still think it is the best adaptation of any of his books, and I've seen most of them. Second place I think would be The Dead Zone...

Posted by: Joe Kidd at December 21, 2024 08:06 PM (Cbio9)
++++

I enjoyed the original publication of The Stand. That "uncut" version released years later was a real chore, though. Around 50% longer and you can really see how a work can suffer without a good editor.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 21, 2024 08:39 PM (klJTj)

104 I may go watch "Teeth" again.

A pretty teenage girl with teeth in her vagina. Vagina dentata.

But somehow it works.

Night all.

Posted by: Stateless at December 21, 2024 08:39 PM (jvJvP)

105 102 I hate to spend money to be scared out of my seat.
Posted by: Eromero at December 21, 2024 08:38 PM

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I think one movie has scared me over the past decade: The Babadook.

One book, The Shining, made me second guess walking down a dark hallway for a moment, which I did without being attacked by a ghost somehow.

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 08:40 PM (4LF+x)

106 97 94 Freshman dies in kiln explosion.
Posted by: Archer at December 21, 2024 08:35 PM (IDphi)

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She was going to make me a pot.
Posted by: Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman at December 21, 2024 08:37 PM (dDmld)
I don't want to be alone. And could you get some of your friends to go with us?

Posted by: Eromero at December 21, 2024 08:41 PM (LHPAg)

107 I may go watch "Teeth" again.

A pretty teenage girl with teeth in her vagina. Vagina dentata.


I knew that shit was real.

Posted by: Barack Obama at December 21, 2024 08:41 PM (oZhjI)

108 Being 80th anniversary of Battle of the Bulge, watched a video on making Battleground, they didn't want to use Gen McAuiffe' Nuts response, but enough x GIs working on the movie wouldn't let them change it

Posted by: Skip at December 21, 2024 08:42 PM (fwDg9)

109 I watched IF this week. After a very sad open when you thought "is this the family movie I was promised", it's a really good movie with a(n obvious to me) twist...knowing the twist doesn't make the movie less rewarding.

It's tough to be an original all ages movie these days, especially a 100% non woke one...IF delivered...

Posted by: Nova Local at December 21, 2024 08:42 PM (exHjb)

110 It's ladies night here at the Dexter Lake Club.

Posted by: Archer at December 21, 2024 08:43 PM (IDphi)

111 That was a very long essay. By the time I finished, Tennessee was toast.

Posted by: Accomack at December 21, 2024 08:43 PM (IG7T0)

112 I think one movie has scared me over the past decade: The Babadook.

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 08:40 PM (4LF+x)

What made it so scary for you?

I found the kid annoying as hell. And before this, I watched a lot of kids comedy shows that had some pretty annoying characters. Really annoying!

But that kid.....ughhhh.

Posted by: Stateless at December 21, 2024 08:43 PM (jvJvP)

113 I think one movie has scared me over the past decade: The Babadook.

I liked it, but TBH supernatural horror movies aren't very scary to me.

I believe the meaning of the movie is that the monster is really depression and grief

Posted by: 18-1 at December 21, 2024 08:45 PM (oZhjI)

114 I also watched Red One. If you can get over the plot holes that make the holes in swiss cheese seem miniscule, it's a nice movie (not great, but I respect that the Rock and Chris Evans did not phone in their roles). Santa steals the show, and the ending ride pretty much took every internet question of "how does Santa do X" and answered it, so that made for a fun ending.

IF, as mentioned, is the worthy movie to watch...but if you or your kids are bored, this one is a nice holiday distraction...for this year. It's not gonna become the next Elf, or anything...

Posted by: Nova Local at December 21, 2024 08:45 PM (exHjb)

115 98 Buffy the Vampire Slayer enters the chat.

I still can't get over how bad the last season of that show was.
Posted by: 18-1

The first 2-3 seasons were really good! When Buffy died they should have ended the series. Her getting together with Spike was stupid and the whole last season was awful.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 08:46 PM (4piHn)

116 Evening.

Haven't seen It the miniseries in decade.

Never saw It the movies.

Never read It the book but I did skim to the infamous scene to see if it was as bad as they say and YIKES! Jesus fucking Jehosaphat, what the hell is wrong with King?

Posted by: Robert at December 21, 2024 08:46 PM (Ndvkr)

117 104 I may go watch "Teeth" again.

A pretty teenage girl with teeth in her vagina. Vagina dentata.

But somehow it works.

Night all.

Posted by: Stateless at December 21, 2024 08:39 PM (jvJvP)

There is no reason in hell to watch that twice.

Posted by: jsg at December 21, 2024 08:46 PM (Aq3kJ)

118 66 I watched "Red One" which isn't nearly as bad as it's made out to be (that should be the poster tagline), but no effing way it cost $350,000,000. There is some money laundering going on.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Agent of Chaos at December 21, 2024 08:19 PM (kpS4V)

And I should read the comments 1st...

Posted by: Nova Local at December 21, 2024 08:47 PM (exHjb)

119 Anyone see that new LOTR anime film?

Posted by: Robert at December 21, 2024 08:47 PM (Ndvkr)

120 The last movie I watched again that I really enjoyed and got more out of it the second time was The Prestige. Knowing the big reveal you could understand much more of the earlier parts of the movie

Posted by: 18-1 at December 21, 2024 08:48 PM (oZhjI)

121 I saw The Exorcist when it came out in the theaters. I was a child and went with my mom and her Bible study group. They had no idea what they were walking in to.

Nope. Nope. Nope. I can't do devil/satan shit. Nope nope nope.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 08:48 PM (4piHn)

122 Nope. Nope. Nope. I can't do devil/satan shit. Nope nope nope.
Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage

My mom took me to Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte when I was four. It's part of the reason I am the way I am.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at December 21, 2024 08:49 PM (b294k)

123 Dancing around the fire with deer antlers on my head and drinking ale. Happy winter solstice everyone!

Posted by: Archer at December 21, 2024 08:50 PM (IDphi)

124 I'm not sure, but I think OSU is going to win this game.

The Steelers have finally hit that wall and have gone as far as their mediocrity will take them. Meh.

Penn State suprised me and won. I was expecting a Franklin Special. Glorious underperformance and choking.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at December 21, 2024 08:50 PM (Kdi1r)

125 I think I read somewhere, don’t know the veracity of the claim, but McAuliff’s written response, while terse, was quite a lot more profane than “Nuts”.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 21, 2024 08:51 PM (r3wfs)

126 Dancing around the fire with deer antlers on my head and drinking ale. Happy winter solstice everyone!

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Druids.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at December 21, 2024 08:51 PM (dDmld)

127 LOTR anime?

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at December 21, 2024 08:51 PM (Kdi1r)

128 I watched Man On the Inside starring Ted Danson. I found it inoffensive and amusing. It's about an undercover resident inserted into a retirement building to investigate a series of theft. I'd call it a dramedy. I liked it.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 21, 2024 08:52 PM (L/fGl)

129 "Maximum Overdrive" would have worked much better if it was a remake of "The Invisible Invaders." (50's sci-fi/horror film directed by a guy who did Three Stooges shorts.)

It would, at least, make a certain mechanical sense. Instead, King just demonstrated perfectly that he should not contribute to any adaptations of his work.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2024 08:52 PM (CHHv1)

130 I read a break down of the newer Star Wars movies that pointed out that in the light saber fights they intentionally and obviously aim to hit each other's sabers.

Now whenever I see a clip I can't not notice that

Posted by: 18-1 at December 21, 2024 08:52 PM (oZhjI)

131 The biggest problem with movies involving Satan/The Devil is that every single time, Satan/The Devil wins. It's depressing.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2024 08:53 PM (CHHv1)

132 There is no reason in hell to watch that twice.
Posted by: jsg at December 21, 2024 08:46 PM (Aq3kJ)
Well actually......there is.
-shaitan

Posted by: Eromero at December 21, 2024 08:53 PM (LHPAg)

133 124 I'm not sure, but I think OSU is going to win this game.

The Steelers have finally hit that wall and have gone as far as their mediocrity will take them. Meh.

Penn State suprised me and won. I was expecting a Franklin Special. Glorious underperformance and choking.
Posted by: Puddleglum


Tennessee looks flat.

Russell Wilson can eabod.

The North Dakota State vs South Dakota State game was all kinds of awesome.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 08:53 PM (6nASi)

134 Still waiting for TJM to review the Quatermass films.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2024 08:54 PM (CHHv1)

135 The last movie I watched again that I really enjoyed and got more out of it the second time was The Prestige.

-
I liked it too.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 21, 2024 08:54 PM (L/fGl)

136 The biggest problem with movies involving Satan/The Devil is that every single time, Satan/The Devil wins. It's depressing.

I saw Constantine a while back. Its not a good movie but...Satan doesn't win.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 21, 2024 08:54 PM (oZhjI)

137 I was surprised at how poor was SMU's athleticism was

Posted by: Accomack at December 21, 2024 08:55 PM (IG7T0)

138 Damn. Westminster Dog Show just had a commercial 'Stand Up To Jewish Hate'.
WTF?

Posted by: Eromero at December 21, 2024 08:55 PM (LHPAg)

139 OT, but I'm reading a book on Russia and vodka, and one night in his US tour, notorious booze hound Yeltsin was found by SS agents shambling on Pennsylvania Avenue in his underwear trying to hail a cab to go get pizza! 😆

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Agent of Chaos at December 21, 2024 08:56 PM (kpS4V)

140 King's best books (that I've read) are:

!) "Pet Semetary"

2) "Cujo"

3) "The Shining"

1 deserves a good movie, which it hasn't had.

2 maybe got about as good a movie as it could have, given the story but it deserves a better flick.

3 was fine but the run through the garden maze was a boring tension killer.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 21, 2024 08:56 PM (iJfKG)

141 The biggest problem with movies involving Satan/The Devil is that every single time, Satan/The Devil wins. It's depressing.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm

Find Nefarious on Prime. Unsettling. Awesome film.

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at December 21, 2024 08:56 PM (b294k)

142 139 OT, but I'm reading a book on Russia and vodka, and one night in his US tour, notorious booze hound Yeltsin was found by SS agents shambling on Pennsylvania Avenue in his underwear trying to hail a cab to go get pizza! 😆
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Agent of Chaos

That's the best thing I've heard all day.

Heh

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 08:57 PM (jLKE+)

143 LOTR anime?
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at December 21, 2024 08:51 PM (Kdi1r)

Lord Of The Rings: War Of The Rohirrim, directed by Kenji Kamiyama.

A lot of nerds on YouBoob have been hating on it since it's announced. I have more faith in Kamiyama as a director than I do in angry nerds.

Posted by: Robert at December 21, 2024 08:57 PM (Ndvkr)

144 140 3 was fine but the run through the garden maze was a boring tension killer.
Posted by: naturalfake at December 21, 2024 08:56 PM (iJfKG)

===

Everything about the topiary in the book is simply wrong. It is the wrong type of horror. It is the wrong source of horror. It is silly. It doesn't work.

It's one of the big reasons I like the movie more than the book, which I like quite a bit otherwise.

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 08:58 PM (4LF+x)

145 Posted by: naturalfake


Dude. Cujo, the movie was a laugh. The St Bernard was wagging his tail the whole time!!

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 08:59 PM (jLKE+)

146 The LOTR anime isn't about Helm Hammerhand. It's about his sassy daughter Yasqueen Eorlboss.

Kerbal Space Program (mentioned by Elon) had a trailer that was amazing. It gave me one-step-for-man chills IRL, even though the characters are green goobers. Later SpaceX made a video that used the same music.

https://youtu.be/P_nj6wW6Gsc?si=fvTuwbfPUxAiIz6v

Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 21, 2024 08:59 PM (lhenN)

147 145 Posted by: naturalfake


Dude. Cujo, the movie was a laugh. The St Bernard was wagging his tail the whole time!!
Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 08:59 PM (jLKE+)
They had Cujo racheted in on the 'cat' setting.

Posted by: Eromero at December 21, 2024 09:00 PM (LHPAg)

148 Saw Clint Eastwood's latest "Juror No. 2".

It's streaming now on Max...I think.

I enjoyed it and stayed interested. Though it goes pretty much exactly where you think it will. So, that makes the ending flat, which in turn makes you go "meh".

Excellent, crisp direction, great acting, unsurprising script.

Check it out.


Posted by: naturalfake at December 21, 2024 09:01 PM (iJfKG)

149 Way past bedtime
Have a great evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at December 21, 2024 09:01 PM (fwDg9)

150
These commercials for the university during college football games are all scientists and laboratories and Nobel-quality research. Never green-haired Gender Theory professors and keffiya-wearing Jew hating students

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 21, 2024 09:04 PM (dxSpM)

151 Posted by: naturalfake


Dude. Cujo, the movie was a laugh. The St Bernard was wagging his tail the whole time!!
Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 08:59 PM (jLKE+)
They had Cujo racheted in on the 'cat' setting.
Posted by: Eromero at December 21, 2024 09:00 PM (LHPAg)


Well, that''s what I mean.

It a solid, tight read, but the movie ain't great.

Maybe they could CGI Cujo to get aa better movie.
And even then, it's a gal stuck in a car for an hour and a half movie.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 21, 2024 09:04 PM (iJfKG)

152 I kinda want to go see the new movie about Bob Dylan.

Dinner and a movie, anyone?

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 09:05 PM (CO5FX)

153 The LOTR anime isn't about Helm Hammerhand. It's about his sassy daughter Yasqueen Eorlboss.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 21, 2024 08:59 PM (lhenN)

I imagine it has sweet feck all to do with anything in Lord Of The Rings.

Studios, having no faith in original material, will often slap the name of an established property to a script that has nothing to do with it. Rework it a little to add some connection or two and voila! Franchise film.

I'm going to guess it's a decent enough fantasy movie. I plan on seeing that and Nosferatu when I get home.

Posted by: Robert at December 21, 2024 09:06 PM (Ndvkr)

154 Muppet Cujo.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Agent of Chaos at December 21, 2024 09:07 PM (kpS4V)

155 My secret shame. So much of contemporary entertainment offends me that I seek solace in the entertainment of days gone by. I've been watching a lot of the old '60s series Emergency! in which firemen /paramedics Gage and DeSoto rescue man, woman, child, and sometimes horses, dogs, and other animals from peril.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 21, 2024 09:08 PM (L/fGl)

156 Border Collie Cujo - maybe not so scary, but herds people to their doom.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 21, 2024 09:08 PM (VNX3d)

157 Good thread. I stamp it "Good." Now I must off to bed. The ONT is sure to be a Zappa-fest, as today is FZ's birthday.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2024 09:10 PM (CHHv1)

158 153 The LOTR anime isn't about Helm Hammerhand. It's about his sassy daughter Yasqueen Eorlboss.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 21, 2024 08:59 PM (lhenN)

I imagine it has sweet feck all to do with anything in Lord Of The Rings.

Studios, having no faith in original material, will often slap the name of an established property to a script that has nothing to do with it. Rework it a little to add some connection or two and voila! Franchise film.

I'm going to guess it's a decent enough fantasy movie. I plan on seeing that and Nosferatu when I get home.

Posted by: Robert at December 21, 2024 09:06 PM (Ndvkr

I believe I read somewhere that the movie was created just to keep the rights to the books.

Which is why Spider Man movies are being pumped out all the time.

Posted by: Stateless at December 21, 2024 09:10 PM (jvJvP)

159 156 Border Collie Cujo - maybe not so scary, but herds people to their doom.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf



Heh! I like it!

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at December 21, 2024 09:10 PM (Kdi1r)

160 Muppet Cujo.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Agent of Chaos at December 21, 2024 09:07 PM (kpS4V)

Wouldn't that just be Animal?

Posted by: Robert at December 21, 2024 09:10 PM (Ndvkr)

161 Muppet Cujo.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Agent of Chaos at December 21, 2024 09:07 PM (kpS4V)



Make Cujo a teacup Chihuahua with venomous fangs. His victims are all found sprawled out with 2 red Sharpie dots on an ankle, a huge saving on makeup.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 21, 2024 09:11 PM (8zz6B)

162 150
These commercials for the university during college football games are all scientists and laboratories and Nobel-quality research. Never green-haired Gender Theory professors and keffiya-wearing Jew hating students

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 21, 2024 09:04 PM (dxSpM)
They're all ad men. Did you ever believe you could feed a starving Ethiopian for .23 a day? To begin with, they were lying, but then Granny sending in $5 US a month multiplied wy whatever mad a tidy sum which was grifted and made some bastards rich. Boy I'm a cheerful sumbitch tonight. Clemson lost.

Posted by: Eromero at December 21, 2024 09:12 PM (LHPAg)

163 I believe I read somewhere that the movie was created just to keep the rights to the books.
Posted by: Stateless at December 21, 2024 09:10 PM (jvJvP)

Probably.

Film rights are usually "use it or lose it." Studios can't just buy a license and then sit on it.

Posted by: Robert at December 21, 2024 09:13 PM (Ndvkr)

164 Well crap. Can I go OT and ask for a quick prayer? My bipolar sister just texted me and wants to talk. Previous conversations have been...concerning...

Posted by: Joe Kidd at December 21, 2024 09:14 PM (Cbio9)

165 TJM,

I see you're still plowing through Joel Schumacher's oeuvre of crap.

Soon, you will come to the realization that "8 MM" is indeed his best movie.

Maybe(mostly) because it was written by Andrew Kevin Walker and plays out as a kind of refutation of "Seven".

Posted by: naturalfake at December 21, 2024 09:14 PM (iJfKG)

166 155 My secret shame. So much of contemporary entertainment offends me that I seek solace in the entertainment of days gone by. I've been watching a lot of the old '60s series Emergency! in which firemen /paramedics Gage and DeSoto rescue man, woman, child, and sometimes horses, dogs, and other animals from peril.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 21, 2024 09:08 PM (L/fGl)

You're not alone. Roku, PlutoTV and Tubi are your friends.

Also, may I suggest asian stuff. I've really enjoyed the asian horror movies I've watched but there's other stuff too. No gays or blacks bitching about racism.

And I don't give a crap that I'm not represented. I just want good stories.

Cats came in. Time to watch something horrible.

Posted by: Stateless at December 21, 2024 09:14 PM (jvJvP)

167 I like some of early, pre accident Stephen King. IT wasn't one of my favorites but it was entertaining. I really enjoy his short story collections. Short SK is so much easier to take.

Posted by: Megthered at December 21, 2024 09:15 PM (HZt/w)

168 164 Well crap. Can I go OT and ask for a quick prayer? My bipolar sister just texted me and wants to talk. Previous conversations have been...concerning...

Posted by: Joe Kidd at December 21, 2024 09:14 PM (Cbio9

I hope this is happier.

Good luck and all the best!

Posted by: Stateless at December 21, 2024 09:16 PM (jvJvP)

169 It would be rather revolting, not that I would watch, to have a PennSt v Ohio St rematch for the title.

Posted by: Accomack at December 21, 2024 09:17 PM (IG7T0)

170 Well crap. Can I go OT and ask for a quick prayer? My bipolar sister just texted me and wants to talk. Previous conversations have been...concerning...
Posted by: Joe Kidd at December 21, 2024 09:14 PM (Cbio9)

Maybe she just wants to talk about the LOTR anime?

Posted by: Robert at December 21, 2024 09:17 PM (Ndvkr)

171 169 It would be rather revolting, not that I would watch, to have a PennSt v Ohio St rematch for the title.
Posted by: Accomack



PSU doesn't win games that matter. A guarantee win for OSU.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at December 21, 2024 09:19 PM (Kdi1r)

172 It would be rather revolting, not that I would watch, to have a PennSt v Ohio St rematch for the title.
Posted by: Accomack at December 21, 2024 09:17 PM (IG7T0)


I strongly suspect that unless Notre Dame beats Georgia, it will be Texas VS Georgia for the 3rd time this year.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 21, 2024 09:20 PM (iJfKG)

173 And then of course there are movies like The Running Man. I recently rewatched it and it sadly holds up better than it deserves to. Much of the silly media fakes and the outright lies about who did what to whom in news reports are no longer silly.

And of course Richard Dawson was perfect.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 21, 2024 09:21 PM (EXyHK)

174
"Wretched" is streaming on Shudder.

It's a pretty good horror movie of the creepy kind.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 21, 2024 09:21 PM (iJfKG)

175 128 I watched Man On the Inside starring Ted Danson. I found it inoffensive and amusing. It's about an undercover resident inserted into a retirement building to investigate a series of theft. I'd call it a dramedy. I liked it.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 21, 2024 08:52 PM (L/fGl)

I loved it - glad someone else liked it, too!

Posted by: Nova Local at December 21, 2024 09:21 PM (exHjb)

176 164 Well crap. Can I go OT and ask for a quick prayer? My bipolar sister just texted me and wants to talk. Previous conversations have been...concerning...
Posted by: Joe Kidd at December 21, 2024 09:14 PM (Cbio9)
Luke 12 vs 12: For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.

Posted by: Eromero at December 21, 2024 09:22 PM (LHPAg)

177 170.

Here's hoping, Robert. I'm going in. BRB...

Posted by: Joe Kidd at December 21, 2024 09:24 PM (Cbio9)

178 12 A really faithful adaptation of a book was "The Silence of the Lambs." I'd read the book before seeing the movie, and when I saw the movie I got nothing different from it than reading the book.

Well acted, of course, and handsomely produced, but...it was just like the book. (Yes, a couple of minor things got dropped, but the through-story was the exact same.)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2024 07:55 PM (CHHv1)


Pfft ...

You want a faithful adaptation, you come to me ...

Posted by: Peter Jackson after reading the Hobbit at December 21, 2024 09:25 PM (TTAGa)

179 I tried to watch The Lawnmower Man a few weeks ago. I could not finish it. I’ve mostly blotted out what I did see but the bad guys were painfully stereotyped and the good guys, if there were any, painfully stupid.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 21, 2024 09:26 PM (EXyHK)

180 Joe Kidd

Prayers.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 09:26 PM (aVbgC)

181 I liked The Running Man but we do not speak of the film adaptation. Ever.

Posted by: NR Pax at December 21, 2024 09:27 PM (lXCUP)

182 181 I liked The Running Man but we do not speak of the film adaptation. Ever.
Posted by: NR Pax at December 21, 2024 09:27 PM (lXCUP)

===

I kind of grew up with the Arnold movie. It's a favorite of my father's.

Edgar Wright is currently filming a new adaptation, starring Glen Powell. I'm excited.

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 09:29 PM (4LF+x)

183 IIRC King said that the low point of his alcoholism was when he was writing It. That's consistent with my vague memories of reading it, a long time ago. The villain seemed so unfocused and abstract. And of course the "get out of the sewers" business was depraved and insane.

The most faithful-to-the-book movie I've ever seen was The Fourth Protocol, based on the Frederic Forsyth book. I liked both, but the movie was a bit by-the-numbers. Day of the Jackal was similarly faithful to the book, but in that case, the movie had a real soul; it's a remarkable piece of work IMO.

Posted by: Splunge at December 21, 2024 09:29 PM (hmKaK)

184 137 I was surprised at how poor was SMU's athleticism was
Posted by: Accomack at December 21, 2024 08:55 PM (IG7T0)

The Pony Express they ain't ...

Posted by: Ron Meyer at December 21, 2024 09:30 PM (TTAGa)

185 It was really good until the reveal. Went from really creepy to meh , a spider.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 21, 2024 09:30 PM (D6PGr)

186 On the other hand, I picked up a collection of lower-tier King-based movies a month or so ago, and except for The Night Shift were bad but enjoyable. Still have Thinner to go. Silver Bullet and Dead Zone were almost good. But Christopher Walken makes up for a lot of sins.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 21, 2024 09:31 PM (EXyHK)

187 I found The Running Man movie a bit silly, but entertaining. Arnold's Arnold-ness helped.

It won my heart when the resistance was going through a file folder for the critical news video, and came across a version that said "Edited for Television." How many times did I see that growing up, for a movie that had been cut for length, to fit in a neat time slot with commercials? Countless. To turn that innocuous phrase into something sinister struck me as brilliant.

Posted by: Splunge at December 21, 2024 09:32 PM (hmKaK)

188 I saw Constantine a while back. Its not a good movie but...Satan doesn't win.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 21, 2024 08:54 PM (oZhjI)


I'm probably in the minority on this, but I thought Constantine was a decent movie. Not great, but good enough.

Posted by: Dr. T at December 21, 2024 09:32 PM (jGGMD)

189 Another OT imponderable

Reading a little bit deeper about the dumpster fire that is Politics in Germany. I know the gaslighting is worse there than here, all of the western “news” and politics is hopelessly buggered.

I’m trying to wrap my head around a couple statistics. One, is the AfD is the 2nd largest party in the whole country.

Two, polls claimed 85% of Germans would have voted for Harris if they could have.

Does this make any sense?

Posted by: Common Tater at December 21, 2024 09:33 PM (r3wfs)

190 I would never call Arnold’s Running Man a good film, but it is a fun film.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 21, 2024 09:33 PM (7MHHr)

191 The First was able to take on various forms, but we never saw its true shape. We really only saw it through the perceptions of the characters. It's an eldritch abomination of sorts, so to view it in its true form should blast the sanity right out of the viewer. It's easy to describe that in a written medium, but very difficult to convey that on screen, as we need our imaginations to fill in the gaps so that we are properly horrified.

When the evil is shown in all its glory on screen, it often loses something.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 21, 2024 08:26 PM (BpYfr)

I think you're saying what I'm saying, and I'm just saying I think that's how you portray it. Through the eyes of the character who encounters it. I don't think there SHOULD be a "true form" of evil.

Anyone who imagines it for themselves will see what they see, I'm going to see something else, and it's the horror in my eyes that is a reflection of it.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2024 09:33 PM (nNWCn)

192 I watched Black Robe today. Can’t believe I’ve never seen it before. If you like the Jeremiah Johnson, Last of the Mohicans , A Man Called Horse, etc type movies, this is a great movie.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 21, 2024 09:34 PM (D6PGr)

193 Beck is dreadful and probably needs Tommy John.
PennSt&ND on one side, Texas Ohio St the other. The bracket is set up to save Franklin's job.

Posted by: Accomack at December 21, 2024 09:36 PM (IG7T0)

194 I'm probably in the minority on this, but I thought Constantine was a decent movie. Not great, but good enough.
Posted by: Dr. T at December 21, 2024 09:32 PM (jGGMD)

I thought it was a great movie.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 21, 2024 09:37 PM (D6PGr)

195 There are enough lunatic clowns in my world that I don't need to have Stephen "Fuckface" King read me an interpretation of what a clown is in his twisted brain.

I thought King's popularity died when a young adult reached puberty.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 21, 2024 09:37 PM (/MR36)

196 Anyone who imagines it for themselves will see what they see, I'm going to see something else, and it's the horror in my eyes that is a reflection of it.
Posted by: BurtTC

Wait. You didn't see the Stay Pufft marshmallow man?

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 09:37 PM (bT4AE)

197 LOTR anime?
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at December 21, 2024 08:51 PM (Kdi1r)

Are you sitting down? This will come as a shock, but Hollowood decided to make a girlboss who can't do anything wrong the center of the story, even though she was so insignificant in Tolkien's work that he never even gave her a name.

I know, I know, such a radical idea. Who knows, it just might work, there just might be some lesbians in Hollowood who know better than Tolkien who and what his story was meant to be.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2024 09:38 PM (nNWCn)

198 I have only ever seen the It miniseries so I don't know how it was handled in the book, but I thought that someone having been through something so terrifying as a child that the very idea of revisiting it as an adult causes them to kill themselves is pretty powerful.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 21, 2024 09:38 PM (aD39U)

199 Football is about done for me. I'm drunk, well not drunk-drunk, but going to bed drunk. Tomorrow is another day and it will be great.

Posted by: Eromero at December 21, 2024 09:39 PM (LHPAg)

200 Wait. You didn't see the Stay Pufft marshmallow man?
Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 09:37 PM (bT4AE)

Ok, I was wrong. There is a perfect manifestation of evil depicted on film.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2024 09:39 PM (nNWCn)

201 Batman Forever had Nicole Kidman in it. That was enough for me. Rating Batman and Robin above it is travesty.

Posted by: JohnFNotKerry at December 21, 2024 09:39 PM (yLkiW)

202 Are you sitting down? This will come as a shock, but Hollowood decided to make a girlboss who can't do anything wrong the center of the story, even though she was so insignificant in Tolkien's work that he never even gave her a name.

I know, I know, such a radical idea. Who knows, it just might work, there just might be some lesbians in Hollowood who know better than Tolkien who and what his story was meant to be.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2024 09:38 PM (nNWCn)


But only if they're lesbians of color (LOC).

Posted by: Dr. T at December 21, 2024 09:39 PM (jGGMD)

203 Instant Family with Mark Wahlberg is becoming one of my most watched movies.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 21, 2024 09:40 PM (D6PGr)

204 198 I have only ever seen the It miniseries so I don't know how it was handled in the book, but I thought that someone having been through something so terrifying as a child that the very idea of revisiting it as an adult causes them to kill themselves is pretty powerful.
Posted by: Grump928(C)

===

In the book, Stan's suicide essentially starts the adult section. In both adaptations, he's much later (last in TV and 4th in the movie). It's a choice that made me curious both times.

King, though, didn't know what else to do with Stan other than to have him commit suicide, so even as a kid he doesn't do much.

I think Stan should have been a replacement in the Club to another kid that It actually kills. That makes Stan not fit into the club and allows for a vignette that actually leads to some consequences.

Posted by: TJM's phone at December 21, 2024 09:42 PM (4LF+x)

205 I've never read or watched It, so even though I have a vague general notion of what's going on in the story, I finally broke down and went on Wikipedia to see what this depraved sewer scene at the end was.


Well.

King sure likes to blame a lot of things on his alcoholism, doesn't he?

Posted by: Dr. T at December 21, 2024 09:43 PM (jGGMD)

206 Christopher Walken makes up for a lot of sins.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 21, 2024 09:31 PM (EXyHK)


Ed Glosser, Trivial Psychic

https://tinyurl.com/yp44euaj

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 21, 2024 09:43 PM (aD39U)

207 I loved the Dead Zone movie.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 21, 2024 09:44 PM (D6PGr)

208 I'm probably in the minority on this, but I thought Constantine was a decent movie. Not great, but good enough.
Posted by: Dr. T at December 21, 2024 09:32 PM (jGGMD)

I thought it was a great movie.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 21, 2024 09:37 PM (D6PGr)


Yep. Great flick.

Also beautiful filmography and one that deserves a 4K disc, buuuuuuuuuut will almost certainly never get one.

*sigh*

Posted by: naturalfake at December 21, 2024 09:44 PM (iJfKG)

209 Misery was really well done as a movie. Kathy Bates and James Caan. She was a really good crazy person.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 09:47 PM (vTuB/)

210 Peter Stormare frequently plays a Russian but I think he’s a Scandi.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 21, 2024 09:47 PM (D6PGr)

211 I just watched a Nicole Kidman film I picked up at a Big Lots closing sale. The Bluefinch. A very good example of a film with wonderful actors doing wonderful work against some very nice cinematography in a movie that does nothing, goes nowhere, and doesn’t make sense when it does.

After a dramatic and entirely non-action 90% it switched to low rent Tarantino mess and then deus ex machinad a resolution to the mess offscreen, narrated in the dialogue by a secondary character.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 21, 2024 09:47 PM (EXyHK)

212 King has to be the author with the most movies written from his books and short stories.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 21, 2024 09:48 PM (D6PGr)

213 IIRC, in the book she sawed off his lower legs. In the movie she hobbled him.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 21, 2024 09:49 PM (ZgUvY)

214 Constantine has prime Rachel Weisz, therefore good.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 21, 2024 09:49 PM (aD39U)

215 oooops!

Comment 208 was regarding "Black Robe",

not "Constantine".

Though I like "Constantine' quite a bit and watch it once a year. Good solid flick.

BONUS!: It has the best portrayal of Satan outside of "The Prophecy".


Posted by: naturalfake at December 21, 2024 09:49 PM (iJfKG)

216 Posted by: naturalfake at December 21, 2024 09:44 PM (iJfKG)


I don't want to make "Constantine" more than it was. I gather it was a pretty sharp deviation from some of the source material, and I remember the audio seeming oddly hushed, so that I couldn't always tell what they were saying.

But it felt like the movie did a great job of world-building, and Constantine himself had a solid character arc, one that fit in decently (not perfectly) with Christian theology. Honestly, if we're leaving aside special-effects action scenes, I would say it's some of the best *acting* Keanu Reeves ever did.

Posted by: Dr. T at December 21, 2024 09:50 PM (jGGMD)

217 Prankster Larry

https://tinyurl.com/45npxzmn

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 21, 2024 09:50 PM (aD39U)

218 Y'all may laugh but I have watched Ryan Reynolds' Free Guy three times.

I makes me smile.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 21, 2024 09:52 PM (aD39U)

219 Posted by: naturalfake at December 21, 2024 09:49 PM (iJfKG)

Every woke person who thinks native North Americans were just a peaceful people until the white man came along need to watch Black Robe.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 21, 2024 09:53 PM (D6PGr)

220 Ed Glosser, Trivial Psychic

I never heard of that. But that was basically the movie.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 21, 2024 09:54 PM (EXyHK)

221 Y'all may laugh but I have watched Ryan Reynolds' Free Guy three times.

I makes me smile.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 21, 2024 09:52 PM (aD39U)

It’s a solid movie though the ending could have been edited better. IMO. Some of it was crammed together and some was stretched out too long.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 21, 2024 09:56 PM (D6PGr)

222 Does this make any sense?
Posted by: Common Tater at December 21, 2024 09:33 PM (r3wfs)


How often have you heard that Orban is a Nazi, or Meloni is a bigot and totally incompetent? How many times have you heard that La Pen's party RF are far right reactionaries or that the heart and soul of Brexit is isolation and rejection of Europe? Imagine if the only source of your world news is Democrat Underground.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 21, 2024 09:56 PM (D7oie)

223 gee, I always thought The Stand was his magnum opus....

Posted by: zigggggy at December 21, 2024 09:59 PM (K5Rdg)

224 Saw the first half of the theatrical It, thought it was okay; never saw the second half -- one of these years, maybe. Been so long since I read the novel that I can't recall much of it. The TV version I kinda liked (though giant spider? meh) -- anything that gives Annette O'Toole some screen time can't be all bad.

King has always, I think, been wildly uneven. But when he's cookin' he's good, particularly in the earlier work. The Shining was imho scary as hell, and King had reason to be dissatisfied with Kubrick's adaptation which threw away too much of what made the story work; YMMV.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at December 21, 2024 10:01 PM (q3u5l)

225 yes. a perfect representation of your company's Information Technology leaders.

Posted by: JohnSmith at December 21, 2024 10:02 PM (YL1Op)

226 EXCLUSIVESenile Biden's insult to families of Marines murdered in disastrous Afghan withdrawal
By WILL POTTER and KELLY LACO, EXECUTIVE EDITOR OF POLITICS FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
Published: 23:04 EST, 20 December 2024 | Updated:
Joe Biden kept the grieving relatives of the Marines killed in Afghanistan waiting for three hours while he napped on Air Force One on the tarmac before a dignified transfer, multiple military families have told Daily Mail.

You all knew. Neil, Rick, Jonah, Andrew, and Mark.
You all knew he was DEAD and just rolled out.
Fuck you all!

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 21, 2024 10:02 PM (gbOdA)

227 And for faithful-to-the-book adaptations, it's hard to top Rosemary's Baby (the Polanski version). Once upon a time, somebody talked with Bradbury about adapting Something Wicked This Way Comes (can't recall which director it was), and said that what he wanted to do was tear the pages out of the book and stuff them into the camera; that's damn close to what Polanski did with Ira Levin's novel when he made Rosemary's Baby.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at December 21, 2024 10:06 PM (q3u5l)

228 I've always been a Dean Koontz groupie for some reason. Actually, I know the reason besides the interesting stories and guaranteed suspense. Koontz loves dogs. He rarely writes anything that doesn't have a golden or a black lab in it.

Posted by: Orson at December 21, 2024 10:07 PM (dIske)

229 AP reporting a friendly fire incident over the Red Sea. F-18 shot down by USS Gettysburg (guided missile cruiser). Both pilots ejected and were recovered alive.

Posted by: TRex at December 21, 2024 10:09 PM (9tvFd)

230 >>>AP reporting a friendly fire incident over the Red Sea. F-18 shot down by USS Gettysburg (guided missile cruiser). Both pilots ejected and were recovered alive.

Posted by: TRex

>This is where your AI and Killbots come in and eliminate the human error.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 21, 2024 11:56 PM (/MR36)

231
189 I’m trying to wrap my head around a couple statistics. One, is the AfD is the 2nd largest party in the whole country.

Two, polls claimed 85% of Germans would have voted for Harris if they could have.

Does this make any sense?

Posted by: Common Tater at December 21, 2024 09:33 PM

Only 19% of Germans have a favorable view of AfD (Pew Research, Jan - Mar 2024). It's not too surprising that the other 81% of Germans, plus a few more, think that Trump was the worse choice.

Deutschland Unter Allah!

Posted by: It's not as crazy as it seems. It's worse. at December 22, 2024 12:43 AM (F3eCL)

232 Huh. No one’s going to come out and say King’s Bev scene sure seems to indicate some pedo tendencies?😬

He’s a sick sick man.

Posted by: Justin Pinochet Castreau at December 22, 2024 01:13 AM (l5yVc)

233 >>> Y'all may laugh but I have watched Ryan Reynolds' Free Guy three times. makes me smile.

Grump, my kids love that one so I've seen it a few times. It's really fun! They take the premise and go wild places with it. Taika as the antagonist works because he gets to play up his a-hole persona. I liked the romantic twist at the end and that despite all the VR, it emphasizes that you still need to have a rich inner life, separate from gaming, to be happy.

Connected to the theme of the post, my kids have also made me watch Ready Player One multiple times. To solve the Westing Game style inheritance contest, they go through a VR world that takes them inside the movie version of The Shining. It's a brilliant use of the best visuals from that film, and even when I knew what was coming (pretty lady in the bathtub scene), the characters' reactions to it as they relive those scenes gave it a new dynamic.

King has a true gift for building up dread/horror and coming up with ideas. Too bad it was squandered by his lazy pantser writing style (plenty of good writers are pantsers, but they aren't lazy and do proper rewrites), his outsized ego, and frying his brain on drugs and TDS.


Posted by: LizLem at December 22, 2024 02:19 AM (wcIbG)

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