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THE MORNING RANT: It’s Time to Stop Blaming HR for Woke Corporations; Corporate Hostility to Any Labor Expense
There are a couple of theses related to woke corporations I’ve been meaning to write about, but I’m not sure I have an entire essay worth of thoughts about either, so I’ll just throw them out right now, with just a few additional comments.
1) Left Wing HR reps are not to blame for wokeness in corporate America; Woke executives are to blame. It has become a cliché among many of us on the right that HR (Human Resources) is to blame for corporate wokeness. While HR may have been one of the first outposts in corporate office suites that was more likely to vote Democrat, HR staff are not influencing the left-wing activism emanating from corporate C-Suites. In general, HR representatives are little different from other corporate desk jockeys who are moving stuff along the workflow that must be performed. The policies and legal compliance that HR reps must administer have been assigned to them by corporate executives, and a great many corporations now outsource most of their HR work. I have worked with plenty of HR people over the years, most of whom have been women, and most of whom have been delightful. Not one of them spoke with the woke, activist, political passion that I have heard from white, male executives with Ivy League degrees. 2) There is an emerging corporate / private equity attitude that Salary & Wage Expense is a huge affront to a business’ financial objectives, and that only “mind jobs” should even pay middle-class wages. This is dangerous territory, as I know I’m treading very close to the left-wing phrase, “living wage,” but I’m going to walk the tightrope. Of course, entry level jobs and unskilled, high turnover jobs are going to be low wage, but there are classes of jobs in service industries and manufacturing that require knowledge, experience and skill, but there is a disturbing corporate hostility to paying much above entry-level wages for these positions. My opinions have not necessarily changed, but they have evolved. From my years of working in the auto industry, I had developed a hardened, anti-union attitude. I would state the obligatory comments about unions having perhaps served a purpose at one time early on in the industrial revolution, but my main gripe was that the unions seemed to be fighting for members to be paid and to receive benefits for not working (early retirement, idle labor pools, etc), which is obviously not sustainable for the corporations paying the employees not to work. Much has shaken out, with union membership having plummeted, and too many corporations (especially those controlled by private equity) now looking at any level of Salary & Wage Expense on their Income Statement as a problematic cost that is eating into profit. Outsourcing and offshoring led to the general corporate acceptance of using foreign labor that is exploited in a way that is offensive to western sensibilities. Those same woke executives teaching us to “look inside ourselves and at our nation’s troubled history” each Juneteenth are often supporters of 21st century slavery – in third world countries - if it will reduce their cost of labor. In other words, the pendulum swung WAY too far the other direction, from unions demanding compensation without providing labor, to corporations expecting labor without much compensation. In addition, there seems to be an attitude that any job that doesn’t require sitting at a desk with a computer monitor and spreadsheets is not worthy of a middle-class wage. That is, only “mind jobs” are worth paying a middle-class wage.I don’t buy suits from department stores any longer because they replaced professional clothiers with high turnover check-out clerks. The executives want the same premium price as ever for a suit but without the labor cost of someone who can assist me. I know of high-end hotels that have followed this model too. They still charge the luxury price, but they’ve attempted to replace career service professionals with low-wage, high-turnover staff, causing a loss of luxury service for the guests.
When my father had to go to a skilled nursing facility, we paid a premium for a nice facility. There was crown moulding and wall sconces and all sorts of nice flourishes, but it was still understaffed with high-turnover, low-wage employees. The “luxury” for which we wanted to pay a premium was experienced, high-quality staffing, not crown moulding. There are so many examples like this. These important front-line jobs can’t be outsourced so they are treated as little more than fast food jobs. Between tariffs, China edging closer to war against American interests, international shipping lanes being choked off, etc, a lot of manufacturing is likely to return to the U.S. A contemptuous attitude by corporate executives and private equity groups toward labor as a necessary operating expense will likely have the effect of making unions seem more attractive again. Or maybe they can make up for higher labor costs of non-“mind jobs” by replacing the laptop workers with AI.The trend toward corporate wokeness began in the late 1980s and the 1990s, and became “official” in 2019, when JP Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon, as head of the Business Roundtable, declared that “shareholder capitalism” was dead, to be replaced by a new standard of corporate responsibility, styled “stakeholder capitalism.” This new model of corporate governance represents an all-encompassing embrace of progressivism, Gasparino argues: “hiring, firing, investing, even advertising. In stakeholder capitalism, the corporation doesn’t place ads to sell products, it advertises to sell woke politics.”
The other factors contributing to corporate America’s abandonment of free-market principles include an overall cultural shift away from rewarding merit; employing a cohort of indoctrinated graduates from woke universities; litigation equating “disparate impact” with intentional discrimination; the Occupy Wall Street protests that directly confronted traders and bankers in Manhattan; the ascendancy of Critical Race Theory and the notion of “anti-racism” (a remunerative grift invented by Ibram Kendi); the #MeToo movement and the accompanying cancel culture; the death of George Floyd and the resulting riots; the psychic consequences of the Covid shut down; the imposition of mandatory diversity on corporate boards through Nasdaq listing standards; the emergence of a new breed of CEO catering to social trends through left-wing virtue signaling rather than focusing on financial performance; and politicized institutional investors such as state pension funds. Woke CEOs are more likely to genuflect to the World Economic Forum than the Mont Pelerin Society.Mark is a friend, so I’ll have to check in with him about my thoughts on HR departments versus his. In his review he notes how HR is the enforcer of corporate wokeism, but as detailed above, the progenitor of the woke policies is upstream in the C-Suites and at the WEF. [buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]
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Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 06, 2024 11:01 AM (KVOmv)
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It can be lunch time
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2024 11:01 AM (EQlDs)
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Morning.
Posted by: Robert at December 06, 2024 11:01 AM (1Yy3c)
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Mornin’ Horde, from sunny south Florida…
Posted by: Hawkpilot at December 06, 2024 11:02 AM (pIvyC)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 06, 2024 11:02 AM (KVOmv)
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yeah, right
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at December 06, 2024 11:03 AM (QSrLX)
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Actually watching spackle dry
Posted by: Skip at December 06, 2024 11:04 AM (EQlDs)
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Meh, I'll still blame HR. Hire people and take resumes of people they like and disappear the ones they don't. Cull the herd for the tendencies they do not like. Protect people they do like.
HR controls many things.
HR controls many things.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 06, 2024 11:04 AM (HsOwE)
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" there seems to be an attitude that any job that doesn’t require sitting at a desk with a computer monitor and spreadsheets is not worthy of a middle-class wage. That is, only “mind jobs” are worth paying a middle-class wage."
Sounds like the IT guy has you by the balls.
Sounds like the IT guy has you by the balls.
Posted by: BignJames at December 06, 2024 11:04 AM (Yj6Os)
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Outsourcing and the southern invasion have exploded the labor market.
More supply = lower costs, which in this case means lower salaries.
In theory this is offset by the lower costs of products and services, but the explosion in government spending - paid for both by taxes and inflation has obliterated that.
More supply = lower costs, which in this case means lower salaries.
In theory this is offset by the lower costs of products and services, but the explosion in government spending - paid for both by taxes and inflation has obliterated that.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 11:05 AM (oZhjI)
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The C-suite attitude is that when employees take a salary they are stealing from shareholders.
The C-suite attitude is that when employees take a salary they are stealing from shareholders.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 06, 2024 11:05 AM (KVOmv)
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I have worked with plenty of HR people over the years, most of whom have been women, and most of whom have been delightful.
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Your experience is better than mine. I've rarely met one who was worth a bucket of warm spit, in the John Nance Garner sense.
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Your experience is better than mine. I've rarely met one who was worth a bucket of warm spit, in the John Nance Garner sense.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at December 06, 2024 11:05 AM (z0QHk)
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Sounds like the IT guy has you by the balls.
Posted by: BignJames at December 06, 2024 11:04 AM (Yj6Os)
Wait until he needs his plumbing worked on.
Posted by: BignJames at December 06, 2024 11:04 AM (Yj6Os)
Wait until he needs his plumbing worked on.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 06, 2024 11:06 AM (HsOwE)
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Meh, I'll still blame HR. Hire people and take resumes of people they like and disappear the ones they don't. Cull the herd for the tendencies they do not like. Protect people they do like.
HR controls many things.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 06, 2024 11:04 AM (HsOwE)
It's not unlike Woke Education or Woke Hollywood. Yes, the wokies on the ground, with whom you reluctantly must deal, are insufferable douchebags. But they have their power GRANTED to them, by the powers that be from above.
Now, corporate America has been a flaming cesspit for some time now, because there was a shift of focus from customer satisfaction and profits being paid to employees, to shareholder satisfaction, and all the profits being culled by said shareholders, rather than put back into the business.
This is hardly new. This shift started decades ago, and the Free Marketeers all seem to think it's great. No, it's not.
HR controls many things.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 06, 2024 11:04 AM (HsOwE)
It's not unlike Woke Education or Woke Hollywood. Yes, the wokies on the ground, with whom you reluctantly must deal, are insufferable douchebags. But they have their power GRANTED to them, by the powers that be from above.
Now, corporate America has been a flaming cesspit for some time now, because there was a shift of focus from customer satisfaction and profits being paid to employees, to shareholder satisfaction, and all the profits being culled by said shareholders, rather than put back into the business.
This is hardly new. This shift started decades ago, and the Free Marketeers all seem to think it's great. No, it's not.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 06, 2024 11:08 AM (dGCAG)
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What, exactly, is the incentive for the C-Suite residents to invoke the woke?
It's money, right? Not stock performance. Not market share. Just old fashioned graft. Right?
Or, is it the pretty blond in HR with the big boobs and a daddy complex?
Or both....
It's money, right? Not stock performance. Not market share. Just old fashioned graft. Right?
Or, is it the pretty blond in HR with the big boobs and a daddy complex?
Or both....
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 06, 2024 11:08 AM (Q4IgG)
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One company can get away with just burning through every available body with unattainable production goals and iffy pay, and for a time they might seem to have an advantage of sorts. A few companies might be able to get away with it. The entire economy cannot work on that basis and increasing the pool of available bodies by having no border will make it so.
Posted by: SouthCentralPA at December 06, 2024 11:08 AM (muRIc)
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Woke executives are to blame.
Well, this all began when? Under Obama? Clinton? So we have a generation of executives who were brought up in the "woke" era. So this should not be a surprise, except of course when the shareholders look at their statement and go WTF???!!!
Well, this all began when? Under Obama? Clinton? So we have a generation of executives who were brought up in the "woke" era. So this should not be a surprise, except of course when the shareholders look at their statement and go WTF???!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at December 06, 2024 11:09 AM (W/lyH)
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Not one IDF soldier stepped into a room of kids and shot the place up ..🖕
Posted by: Qmark at December 06, 2024 11:09 AM (aPBfE)
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Private equity ruined the last company I worked for. Hiring experienced people who actually worked in the field making the company money? Nah. Hiring overpaid execs with padded resumes who know nothing about how our company made money but look good to the board because they go to the same country club? Absolutely!
Posted by: brak at December 06, 2024 11:10 AM (NGHTx)
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I'm not anti-labor or even anti-union (so long as we're talking about private unions). I think like all things, the labor unions got corrupted and started acting primarily for the benefit of labor management and not the workers.
If workers want to unionize, then so be it. But that decision and vote should be fair and accurately reflect the will of the workers. That prick cocksucker on the longshoreman's union has more in common with rich CEOs than his workers. I hope he trips overboard and gets eaten by a shark.
And if the company wants to say "fuck you," we won't negotiate with your union," then the company should be free to do that as well. The government shouldn't have a finger on the scale.
If workers want to unionize, then so be it. But that decision and vote should be fair and accurately reflect the will of the workers. That prick cocksucker on the longshoreman's union has more in common with rich CEOs than his workers. I hope he trips overboard and gets eaten by a shark.
And if the company wants to say "fuck you," we won't negotiate with your union," then the company should be free to do that as well. The government shouldn't have a finger on the scale.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 06, 2024 11:10 AM (iFTx/)
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Now, corporate America has been a flaming cesspit for some time now, because there was a shift of focus from customer satisfaction and profits being paid to employees, to shareholder satisfaction, and all the profits being culled by said shareholders, rather than put back into the business.
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Now the model is "stakeholder satisfaction," which screws customers, employees AND shareholders.
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Now the model is "stakeholder satisfaction," which screws customers, employees AND shareholders.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at December 06, 2024 11:10 AM (z0QHk)
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Nice rant, Buck Throckmorton
How does Elon Musk get much better employees? Rather than reform the cripples in C-suites, out work and leave them behind in their pseudo-Stalinist declining companies.
Eventually, socialism fails everywhere on the planet, as we have seen in the years since the Paris Commune.
How does Elon Musk get much better employees? Rather than reform the cripples in C-suites, out work and leave them behind in their pseudo-Stalinist declining companies.
Eventually, socialism fails everywhere on the planet, as we have seen in the years since the Paris Commune.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 06, 2024 11:10 AM (u82oZ)
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HR heads advise corporate CEO's on what they need to do to comply with their interpretations of the law. They also make recommendations to the CEOs on what programs they should implement.
HR is not off the hook in my opinion.
HR is not off the hook in my opinion.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2024 11:10 AM (tK3Zm)
Posted by: Robert at December 06, 2024 11:11 AM (1Yy3c)
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Personally, I blame Todd.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 11:11 AM (GBKbO)
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You're spot on with this employment analysis.
Posted by: Eric at December 06, 2024 11:11 AM (lmyfM)
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"The trend toward corporate wokeness began in the late 1980s and the 1990s, and became “official” in 2019, when JP Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon, as head of the Business Roundtable, declared that “shareholder capitalism” was dead, to be replaced by a new standard of corporate responsibility, styled “stakeholder capitalism.”
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With all due respect to your friend, who wrote that, the fact is, Jamie Dimon is a lying sack of shit.
They still bow down to the shareholder (larger and larger conglomerates, of which he is a central figure), all while pretending to believe in that "stakeholder" horseshit.
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With all due respect to your friend, who wrote that, the fact is, Jamie Dimon is a lying sack of shit.
They still bow down to the shareholder (larger and larger conglomerates, of which he is a central figure), all while pretending to believe in that "stakeholder" horseshit.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 06, 2024 11:12 AM (dGCAG)
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Back when the people running corporations were capitalists, they beloved in mutually beneficial exchange - they worked to produce valuable goods and services that served buyers needs and that they would gladly pay for. And they readily bought labor services from workers to do this. Henry Ford exemplified this by paying his workers so that he’d have a prosperous, happy, productive workforce.
Today’s management “experts” are Marxists at heart who believe all human relations are zero sum and that the profit by screwing buyers and workers. This is what is taught in garbage business schools such as Harvard and Wharton today.
Today’s management “experts” are Marxists at heart who believe all human relations are zero sum and that the profit by screwing buyers and workers. This is what is taught in garbage business schools such as Harvard and Wharton today.
Posted by: Durak Kazyol at December 06, 2024 11:12 AM (AJ/bM)
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This is a good discussion to have! I think you have it on something very important. The leadership of the company matters. HR is easy to blame, and HR reflexively says, "We are just trying to comply with the law."
Also, any entity within any organization eventually develops its own ethos and goals, some of which run coutner to the overall goals of a company. Like the tyrannical security guy, IT guy, or the testing department that seems to have "forgotten how we get paid".
Also, any entity within any organization eventually develops its own ethos and goals, some of which run coutner to the overall goals of a company. Like the tyrannical security guy, IT guy, or the testing department that seems to have "forgotten how we get paid".
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 11:12 AM (vd6bO)
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Why go woke as a C level exec? Well, its almost all upside...
1) It gets you positive coverage in the FNM and makes friends with the government bureaucracy and activist groups
2) It allows you to push regulatory capture to keep smaller competitors out. You can afford to have DIE do nothings because you already have an established business, those up and coming companies can't
3) It allows you to explain way failures. Oh sure we lost market share but improved Gay Rights or The Environment or whatever BS so its ok
1) It gets you positive coverage in the FNM and makes friends with the government bureaucracy and activist groups
2) It allows you to push regulatory capture to keep smaller competitors out. You can afford to have DIE do nothings because you already have an established business, those up and coming companies can't
3) It allows you to explain way failures. Oh sure we lost market share but improved Gay Rights or The Environment or whatever BS so its ok
Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 11:12 AM (oZhjI)
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It used to be that if you wanted to grow the bottom line you had to grow the top line first. In other words, improve your product/service offering to gain more customers. At some point the focus shifted to cutting costs. The labor line is one of the biggest bogeys on the P&L so it's an attractive target. The finance guys never talk about what an inferior product/service offering will do to the top line.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 06, 2024 11:13 AM (2UnvF)
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Can't get a promotion in my place unless you are active in the DEI world. It even has a section for it on the promotion recommendation form.
DEI is the one thing you cannot criticize at work unless you want a negative DEI rating . DEI participation also impacts any additional bonus recommendations. At annual reciew time, we have to put down a DEI goal, every manager kind of rolls eyes and says just to put down knowledge sharing or giving someone some training.
They really do have to force people to go along with this and support their ideas.
You're right though, every (typically white male) executive is on board with this at an annoying rate. When the DEI manager was asked about having a safe space for speaking critically about DEI issues, she gaslight and played the usual card and that it is safe but perhaps their discomfort was due to them having to overcome some of their biases and having a struggle session. Ignoring the fact its plainly written that people criticising DEI will be punished, she did this in front of the entire company, including top management and nobody says a thing.
If it weren't for the fact they pay me a fortune, I'd be off.
DEI is the one thing you cannot criticize at work unless you want a negative DEI rating . DEI participation also impacts any additional bonus recommendations. At annual reciew time, we have to put down a DEI goal, every manager kind of rolls eyes and says just to put down knowledge sharing or giving someone some training.
They really do have to force people to go along with this and support their ideas.
You're right though, every (typically white male) executive is on board with this at an annoying rate. When the DEI manager was asked about having a safe space for speaking critically about DEI issues, she gaslight and played the usual card and that it is safe but perhaps their discomfort was due to them having to overcome some of their biases and having a struggle session. Ignoring the fact its plainly written that people criticising DEI will be punished, she did this in front of the entire company, including top management and nobody says a thing.
If it weren't for the fact they pay me a fortune, I'd be off.
Posted by: PoliticalMcguffin at December 06, 2024 11:14 AM (0uBey)
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I blame who I want...
Posted by: Tryhardneckbeard at December 06, 2024 11:14 AM (gb+Ph)
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Now the model is "stakeholder satisfaction," which screws customers, employees AND shareholders.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at December 06, 2024 11:10 AM (z0QHk)
See my comment above, at 27. I don't believe it. They say it, the "stakeholder" nonsense is just another extension of the DEI/Woke garbage they spew, all while keeping their greedy hands in the till, in order to please larger and larger conglomerates of shareholders.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at December 06, 2024 11:10 AM (z0QHk)
See my comment above, at 27. I don't believe it. They say it, the "stakeholder" nonsense is just another extension of the DEI/Woke garbage they spew, all while keeping their greedy hands in the till, in order to please larger and larger conglomerates of shareholders.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 06, 2024 11:14 AM (dGCAG)
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It ain't about woke but I hate the Just in Time inventory practices.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2024 11:14 AM (tK3Zm)
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A merging of the populist left with the populist right. Or maybe it was there all along. The R party just needed to embrace it, and attract the working class. Helps explain the dead-enders at National Review who can't let go of the 'norms' of large corporations leading the economy. Large corps who have a global perspective versus their American roots, and their view of labor being skewed way over to just being a number instead of real people (our greatest asset is you!). I'm kind of liking it.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 06, 2024 11:14 AM (fs1hN)
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They still bow down to the shareholder (larger and larger conglomerates, of which he is a central figure), all while pretending to believe in that "stakeholder" horseshit.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 06, 2024
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How do they define the difference between stakeholder and shareholder? Shareholders have a stake in the company, after all.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 06, 2024
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How do they define the difference between stakeholder and shareholder? Shareholders have a stake in the company, after all.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2024 11:14 AM (J2vNu)
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... a lot of manufacturing is likely to return to the U.S. A contemptuous attitude by corporate executives and private equity groups toward labor as a necessary operating expense will likely have the effect of making unions seem more attractive again.
Well, this could also be the beginning of a glorious time where American ingenuity, gumption, skill, and fortitude create a renaissance in domestic industry. Old manufacturing returns and new technologies and concepts make them whole new industries.
Well, this could also be the beginning of a glorious time where American ingenuity, gumption, skill, and fortitude create a renaissance in domestic industry. Old manufacturing returns and new technologies and concepts make them whole new industries.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 06, 2024 11:15 AM (W/lyH)
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Meh, I'll still blame HR.
They're enthusiastic enforcers. Like the mask police vaccine killers, they hope to hide behind, "I was just following orders!".
And it was your choice.
They're enthusiastic enforcers. Like the mask police vaccine killers, they hope to hide behind, "I was just following orders!".
And it was your choice.
Posted by: t-bird at December 06, 2024 11:15 AM (xw/ji)
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I remember going to an HR mandated session on sexual harassment led by one of the HR employees. She was a pretty blonde woman and decided that for this session she should wear a transparent shirt (but with a bra of course) and a pair of pants so tight you could see her thong.
I studiously looked at the projector screen but I assumed she did this intentionally to find people to get in trouble...
I studiously looked at the projector screen but I assumed she did this intentionally to find people to get in trouble...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 11:15 AM (oZhjI)
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"In stakeholder capitalism, the corporation doesn’t place ads to sell products, it advertises to sell woke politics."
From what I have read about this from the mid-eighties (in a piece about the change from "stakeholder capitalism" to "only the bottom line matters"), the term stakeholder used to refer to US Corporations having some allegiance to America, and individual liberty.
The globalists/fascists (what do we call "them" now?) stole the term and revised it for their own needs. So lamenting the sellout of American industry to foreign slaves in polluted (political enemy) environments ... became RACISM. It was GOOD (in corporate greed's eyes) to use slaves and pollute, and to erode the middle class.
The "stake" in stakeholder switched to DEI, which was the real "racism" ... or actually maybe, just a cover for the real profit motive of hiring cheap foreign labor?
From what I have read about this from the mid-eighties (in a piece about the change from "stakeholder capitalism" to "only the bottom line matters"), the term stakeholder used to refer to US Corporations having some allegiance to America, and individual liberty.
The globalists/fascists (what do we call "them" now?) stole the term and revised it for their own needs. So lamenting the sellout of American industry to foreign slaves in polluted (political enemy) environments ... became RACISM. It was GOOD (in corporate greed's eyes) to use slaves and pollute, and to erode the middle class.
The "stake" in stakeholder switched to DEI, which was the real "racism" ... or actually maybe, just a cover for the real profit motive of hiring cheap foreign labor?
Posted by: illiniwek at December 06, 2024 11:16 AM (Cus5s)
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At least Target shareholders are fighting back. And I Florida judge ruled just yesterday that their lawsuit claiming Target misled (read: lied) investors about company efforts to guard against social and political risks.
Posted by: one hour sober at December 06, 2024 11:16 AM (Y1sOo)
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8 Meh, I'll still blame HR. Hire people and take resumes of people they like and disappear the ones they don't. Cull the herd for the tendencies they do not like. Protect people they do like.
HR controls many things.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 06, 2024 11:04 AM (HsOwE)
Prime example - fed gov hiring.
HR controls many things.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 06, 2024 11:04 AM (HsOwE)
Prime example - fed gov hiring.
Posted by: Nova Local at December 06, 2024 11:16 AM (exHjb)
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Every corporation has three interest groups that it must keep happy in order to stay in business. They are (in order of importance from most to least):
1. The consumers of the product(s) it produces and/or the service(s) it provides;
2. Its employees and business partners (independent contractors, suppliers, etc.);
3. Its owners (the shareholders).
All three are important, and can sink a business if it pisses them off. And, since the goals of all three groups often seldom, if ever, coincide, there is usually a tightrope that management must walk between the three groups.
That's why I don't envy upper management. Better to be a lowly serf in the corporate world, even if the pay's not great.
1. The consumers of the product(s) it produces and/or the service(s) it provides;
2. Its employees and business partners (independent contractors, suppliers, etc.);
3. Its owners (the shareholders).
All three are important, and can sink a business if it pisses them off. And, since the goals of all three groups often seldom, if ever, coincide, there is usually a tightrope that management must walk between the three groups.
That's why I don't envy upper management. Better to be a lowly serf in the corporate world, even if the pay's not great.
Posted by: Bulg at December 06, 2024 11:17 AM (v6JzV)
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When I entered the "corporate world", it was still profit motivated and remained so until the Wuflu madness. That's when everything changed. I was lucky that I was close enough to retirement that I could afford a don't-give-a-shit attitude. Because it was during the Wuflu period that the woke horseshit started. Got out and away as soon as I could.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at December 06, 2024 11:17 AM (g8Ew8)
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In a similar way, folks will go on all night about how all that badthink in HR is caused by underground feminists, the world communist movement, or letting your kid go to Kollidge -- while you can hear the same drivel flow from the pulpit at church, or the lectern at the business club, or the guest speakers at the civic groups. It's what is 'normie' now, and we rather resent being the odd man out all of a sudden.
That can be changed, but as an example, the John Birch Society never prevailed against communism by accusing everyone else of being one. "Behind every Bush" may have been just a lucky shot, though.
That can be changed, but as an example, the John Birch Society never prevailed against communism by accusing everyone else of being one. "Behind every Bush" may have been just a lucky shot, though.
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at December 06, 2024 11:17 AM (zdLoL)
Posted by: one hour sober at December 06, 2024 11:17 AM (Y1sOo)
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HR is as responsible as any other C Suite - and they are susceptible to the same cultural trends as any other. Since HR is wildly overpopulated with women, it is susceptible to the feelz perhaps a bit more than others - just like marketing. Those of us in HR who don't work via the feelz have been doing all we can to try and stop the silliness, but when state and federal regulations force behavior, every HR department is a risk management tool.
Blame the colleges. That is where the problem started and from where it was launched.
Blame the colleges. That is where the problem started and from where it was launched.
Posted by: Black JEM at December 06, 2024 11:17 AM (GZYu7)
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There are all kinds of pay. Cash, or equity. Getting paid in equity is not a bad idea if you can swing it.
Posted by: jeff at December 06, 2024 11:17 AM (ZiwLX)
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44 Every corporation has three interest groups that it must keep happy in order to stay in business. They are (in order of importance from most to least):
1. The consumers of the product(s) it produces and/or the service(s) it provides;
2. Its employees and business partners (independent contractors, suppliers, etc.);
3. Its owners (the shareholders).
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Interesting.
1. The consumers of the product(s) it produces and/or the service(s) it provides;
2. Its employees and business partners (independent contractors, suppliers, etc.);
3. Its owners (the shareholders).
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Interesting.
Posted by: The Regulators at December 06, 2024 11:18 AM (fs1hN)
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Today’s management “experts” are Marxists at heart who believe all human relations are zero sum and that the profit by screwing buyers and workers. This is what is taught in garbage business schools such as Harvard and Wharton today.
Posted by: Durak Kazyol at December 06, 2024 11:12 AM (AJ/bM)
There are people much smarter than me who know where these lines are drawn. I sincerely doubt any of these people are genuine marxists, but whatever that is... (Keynesians, perhaps?), it is antithetical to the basic capitalist concept of selling products to customers for the general welfare of all involved in the transactions.
Posted by: Durak Kazyol at December 06, 2024 11:12 AM (AJ/bM)
There are people much smarter than me who know where these lines are drawn. I sincerely doubt any of these people are genuine marxists, but whatever that is... (Keynesians, perhaps?), it is antithetical to the basic capitalist concept of selling products to customers for the general welfare of all involved in the transactions.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 06, 2024 11:18 AM (dGCAG)
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43 8 Meh, I'll still blame HR. Hire people and take resumes of people they like and disappear the ones they don't. Cull the herd for the tendencies they do not like. Protect people they do like.
HR controls many things.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 06, 2024 11:04 AM (HsOwE)
Prime example - fed gov hiring.
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It is true that they have been given too much latitude - by the leaders of the company.
HR controls many things.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 06, 2024 11:04 AM (HsOwE)
Prime example - fed gov hiring.
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It is true that they have been given too much latitude - by the leaders of the company.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 11:18 AM (vd6bO)
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I’ll add to my previous comment #28 that certainly it is not universal that CEO’s are commies. I’ve met two who run major corporations who each said they regard the HR departments as enemy infiltrators. One said he keeps firing such people; in the next round of hiring the candidates deny being woke (to the extent you can ask them w/o getting sued) but later they go woke.
Posted by: Durak Kazyol at December 06, 2024 11:19 AM (AJ/bM)
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I have some small amount of stock in some big named companies. I consistently vote against their leadership teams who always get re-elected.
Why?
A) The institutional investors own most of the shares nominally in the names of people with 401ks
B) Most people have no idea who the board/CEO/etc are at the companies they own stock of.
Its sort of the same problem we have with political elections where a large number of ballots are cast nominally in the name of someone and we have a large number of LIVs who vote for whoever the FNM tells them is nice.
You could make some significant improvements in the first item though be taking away the power of the institutional investors and instead have the people owning the 401ks voting their shares.
Why?
A) The institutional investors own most of the shares nominally in the names of people with 401ks
B) Most people have no idea who the board/CEO/etc are at the companies they own stock of.
Its sort of the same problem we have with political elections where a large number of ballots are cast nominally in the name of someone and we have a large number of LIVs who vote for whoever the FNM tells them is nice.
You could make some significant improvements in the first item though be taking away the power of the institutional investors and instead have the people owning the 401ks voting their shares.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 11:19 AM (oZhjI)
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Large corporations need the support of at least one of the political parties to survive in this country.
They ( like US Jewish voters) make a big mistake by thinking they have secure home in the democrat party. They have irreconcilable enemies there as the democrats’ joy over that insurance executive getting blown away.
Now they get to face the hostility of both parties. This is what they have accomplished.
They ( like US Jewish voters) make a big mistake by thinking they have secure home in the democrat party. They have irreconcilable enemies there as the democrats’ joy over that insurance executive getting blown away.
Now they get to face the hostility of both parties. This is what they have accomplished.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 06, 2024 11:19 AM (jbnUc)
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Oh, and the place is decorated to look like a 5 year old pencil case with rainbows everywhere. Interestingly, we get more decorations each year for LGBQTJSER month and never get taken down. A lot of the the young folk would much rather sit around, drink coffee and discussing their pronouns.
There is definitely an overlap on the lazy and the Woke DEI crowd
There is definitely an overlap on the lazy and the Woke DEI crowd
Posted by: PoliticalMcguffin at December 06, 2024 11:19 AM (0uBey)
Posted by: Preparing gp For Lazy Loading at December 06, 2024 11:20 AM (G3lfj)
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Thx Buck , great post. Stakeholder capitalism is pure Klaus Schwab and his WEF. Also known as corporate socialism. HR is just the shock troops for the corporations
Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 06, 2024 11:20 AM (FxDm7)
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Lawfare has a lot of CEOs handcuffed.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2024 11:20 AM (tK3Zm)
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On the "pay people what they are worth" point...
If we bring back large tariffs for goods and services used in the US, but provided outside it...
If we bring back huge penalties for use of H1-Bs and other visas by corporation...
If we close the border...
A lot of these problems solve themselves b/c right now, businesses can enjoy the safety and security of the US market and their executives can live in our area of freedom while enslaving 3rd world countries to make crap...
If you want to make/do stuff outside America, go live where you make it...and pay to access our markets.
If you want to actually make/do stuff here, feel to enjoy the freedoms and safety we provide. But you will help pay for it.
If we bring back large tariffs for goods and services used in the US, but provided outside it...
If we bring back huge penalties for use of H1-Bs and other visas by corporation...
If we close the border...
A lot of these problems solve themselves b/c right now, businesses can enjoy the safety and security of the US market and their executives can live in our area of freedom while enslaving 3rd world countries to make crap...
If you want to make/do stuff outside America, go live where you make it...and pay to access our markets.
If you want to actually make/do stuff here, feel to enjoy the freedoms and safety we provide. But you will help pay for it.
Posted by: Nova Local at December 06, 2024 11:20 AM (exHjb)
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OT - Re Penny, jury deadlocked on charge of second degree manslaughter
Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at December 06, 2024 11:20 AM (DJ7uY)
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If you want to make/do stuff outside America, go live where you make it...and pay to access our markets.
Note other countries do this already. To do business in India or China you have to actually have assets and employees there.
Note other countries do this already. To do business in India or China you have to actually have assets and employees there.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 11:21 AM (oZhjI)
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How do they define the difference between stakeholder and shareholder? Shareholders have a stake in the company, after all.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2024 11:14 AM (J2vNu)
Oh, you don't want to dive into that subject.
Among the stakeholders? All those Of Color people you stole from to get your rich, cushy office chair. And Mother Gaia, don't forget her. She's a stakeholder too, you polluting SOB, you.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2024 11:14 AM (J2vNu)
Oh, you don't want to dive into that subject.
Among the stakeholders? All those Of Color people you stole from to get your rich, cushy office chair. And Mother Gaia, don't forget her. She's a stakeholder too, you polluting SOB, you.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 06, 2024 11:21 AM (dGCAG)
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HR gets pulled into the dynamic where corporations don't make things to make money. They make things to facilitate financial leveraging to make money on the turn. As more manufacturing comes back, the men and women leading these companies are going to be people with experience making stuff. CFO's will be rightly relegated back to counting the businesses money, but will be kept far away from overall business control. Unless your business is money - banking, insurance, financial services - a CEO coming form a finance background is a mistake. And sine they are all about risk mitigation, they fall for the DEI crap everytime.
Posted by: Black JEM at December 06, 2024 11:21 AM (GZYu7)
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The “luxury” for which we wanted to pay a premium was experienced, high-quality staffing, not crown moulding.
My folks live in a retirement community out in CA. The quality of the food and the services has been dropping even as they keep raising the monthly dues. And yes; the staff does have high turnover as well.
My folks live in a retirement community out in CA. The quality of the food and the services has been dropping even as they keep raising the monthly dues. And yes; the staff does have high turnover as well.
Posted by: NR Pax at December 06, 2024 11:22 AM (lXoJ5)
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I predicted a hung jury when the jury asked on day two of delibs, for transcripts of key defense testimony.
It was the good guys trying to get one or two racist leftists on board with acquittal, but the assholes would not give in.
It was the good guys trying to get one or two racist leftists on board with acquittal, but the assholes would not give in.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at December 06, 2024 11:22 AM (KiBMU)
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OT - Re Penny, jury deadlocked on charge of second degree manslaughter
Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at December 06, 2024 11:20 AM (DJ7uY)
I hope the guilty voters get their due on the subway.
Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at December 06, 2024 11:20 AM (DJ7uY)
I hope the guilty voters get their due on the subway.
Posted by: BignJames at December 06, 2024 11:22 AM (Yj6Os)
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The corporate world changed for the worse right after our government started taking a turn for the worse. We haven't had real free enterprise in decades.
One of the most important decisions the Supreme Court has made in decades was the Loper Bright case. Destroy the administrative state and watch how fast things change.
One of the most important decisions the Supreme Court has made in decades was the Loper Bright case. Destroy the administrative state and watch how fast things change.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2024 11:23 AM (LkLld)
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I hope the guilty voters get their due on the subway.
I agree but I expect the non-guilty voters are going to be Doxed and get a mostly peaceful visit from BLM
I agree but I expect the non-guilty voters are going to be Doxed and get a mostly peaceful visit from BLM
Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 11:23 AM (oZhjI)
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I’ll add to my previous comment #28 that certainly it is not universal that CEO’s are commies. I’ve met two who run major corporations who each said they regard the HR departments as enemy infiltrators. One said he keeps firing such people; in the next round of hiring the candidates deny being woke (to the extent you can ask them w/o getting sued) but later they go woke.
Posted by: Durak Kazyol at December 06, 2024 11:19 AM (AJ/bM)
Yeah, probably most CEOs aren't anything other than the usual types who like money and power and hot secretaries. But they're operating in a system that makes them at least pretend to believe in DEI.
They won't pay you $10 mil a year if you don't pretend.
Posted by: Durak Kazyol at December 06, 2024 11:19 AM (AJ/bM)
Yeah, probably most CEOs aren't anything other than the usual types who like money and power and hot secretaries. But they're operating in a system that makes them at least pretend to believe in DEI.
They won't pay you $10 mil a year if you don't pretend.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 06, 2024 11:23 AM (dGCAG)
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This is a huge problem in accounting, and has been for going on a decade. The big 4 firms are all hierarchical pyramids, with the partners at the top hoovering up as much money as they can get away with while chewing up and spitting out entry level college grads at rates that would make fast food blush, with the attitude of "we'll just replace anyone that leaves because there are 10 people who want in here for every 1 that walks."
The problem is that kids don't want to be accountants anymore. In exchange for an extra year of school, a tough certification test that hasn't changed all that much in 100+ years, and having no life for anywhere from 6 to 9 months a year, you get maybe $10k more than someone who DOESN'T have deal with all that nonsense. On top of that, the government makes an accountant's job harder roughly every year with new rules or laws (Sarbox being the biggest one, although tax has been insane since the TCJA gets tweaked majorly every 2 years now).
This has caused demand for accountants to skyrocket, at the same time that the available supply of accountants is at an all-time low.
The problem is that kids don't want to be accountants anymore. In exchange for an extra year of school, a tough certification test that hasn't changed all that much in 100+ years, and having no life for anywhere from 6 to 9 months a year, you get maybe $10k more than someone who DOESN'T have deal with all that nonsense. On top of that, the government makes an accountant's job harder roughly every year with new rules or laws (Sarbox being the biggest one, although tax has been insane since the TCJA gets tweaked majorly every 2 years now).
This has caused demand for accountants to skyrocket, at the same time that the available supply of accountants is at an all-time low.
Posted by: MrUNIVAC at December 06, 2024 11:24 AM (digQz)
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61 OT - Re Penny, jury deadlocked on charge of second degree manslaughter
Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at December 06, 2024 11:20 AM (DJ7uY)
A mistrial will end this...b/c no prosecutor will be allowed to rebring this case with Trump in charge...
So, hopefully, the ones on Penny's side stay strong...
Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at December 06, 2024 11:20 AM (DJ7uY)
A mistrial will end this...b/c no prosecutor will be allowed to rebring this case with Trump in charge...
So, hopefully, the ones on Penny's side stay strong...
Posted by: Nova Local at December 06, 2024 11:24 AM (exHjb)
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Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2024 11:23 AM (LkLld)
Again I think a large part of that reason is lawfare.
Again I think a large part of that reason is lawfare.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2024 11:25 AM (tK3Zm)
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Blame the colleges. That is where the problem started and from where it was launched.
Posted by: Black JEM at December 06, 2024 11:17 AM (GZYu7)
Yup. This country's education (indoctrination) system is at the root most of this. It needs to die.
Posted by: Black JEM at December 06, 2024 11:17 AM (GZYu7)
Yup. This country's education (indoctrination) system is at the root most of this. It needs to die.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at December 06, 2024 11:25 AM (g8Ew8)
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In addition, there seems to be an attitude that any job that doesn’t require sitting at a desk with a computer monitor and spreadsheets is not worthy of a middle-class wage. That is, only “mind jobs” are worth paying a middle-class wage.
until we replace them with AI. think of the savings!
until we replace them with AI. think of the savings!
Posted by: CFO at December 06, 2024 11:25 AM (NGHTx)
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67 OT - Re Penny, jury deadlocked on charge of second degree manslaughter
Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at December 06, 2024 11:20 AM (DJ7uY)
I hope the guilty voters get their due on the subway.
Posted by: BignJames at December 06, 2024 11:22 AM (Yj6Os)
No doubt names will leak b/c of the media, even though they shouldn't...
Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at December 06, 2024 11:20 AM (DJ7uY)
I hope the guilty voters get their due on the subway.
Posted by: BignJames at December 06, 2024 11:22 AM (Yj6Os)
No doubt names will leak b/c of the media, even though they shouldn't...
Posted by: Nova Local at December 06, 2024 11:25 AM (exHjb)
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Private Equity is most responsible for a resurgence of private sector unionism, because they are totally balance sheet driven for a very short period of time. The cost of high turnover caused by deliberate underpaying of jobs, or sourcing of key company functions is rarely considered in the M&A world. Slash costs, improve the balance sheet, find a strategic sucker, er, buyer, then walk away.
Not that I would ever get in the M&A world, but as a buyer, those would be the two metrics I look at. Percentage of sourced services and average payroll against measurable market pay rates. I'd run from the high sourced, and low pay business. It probably is not going to make money long term.
Not that I would ever get in the M&A world, but as a buyer, those would be the two metrics I look at. Percentage of sourced services and average payroll against measurable market pay rates. I'd run from the high sourced, and low pay business. It probably is not going to make money long term.
Posted by: Black JEM at December 06, 2024 11:27 AM (GZYu7)
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The corporate world changed for the worse right after our government started taking a turn for the worse. We haven't had real free enterprise in decades.
During the cold war there was something of a check on the sort of corruption we are seeing now through out the western world. Everyone knew if you screwed up enough there was a chance that as a western elite you could end up in a communist prison camp.
Since the end of the cold war though western elites have persuaded themselves they have no real external threats. 9/11 shocked them out of this belief, but only briefly.
So now they believe their only real enemies are the normal people in their countries and that there are no real consequences to corruption because those normies are stupid.
During the cold war there was something of a check on the sort of corruption we are seeing now through out the western world. Everyone knew if you screwed up enough there was a chance that as a western elite you could end up in a communist prison camp.
Since the end of the cold war though western elites have persuaded themselves they have no real external threats. 9/11 shocked them out of this belief, but only briefly.
So now they believe their only real enemies are the normal people in their countries and that there are no real consequences to corruption because those normies are stupid.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 11:27 AM (oZhjI)
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There are people much smarter than me who know where these lines are drawn. I sincerely doubt any of these people are genuine marxists, but whatever that is... (Keynesians, perhaps?), it is antithetical to the basic capitalist concept of selling products to customers for the general welfare of all involved in
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Most Marxists don’t believe in Marx’s doctrines, his dialectical materialism and his economic analysis. Most Soviet leaders didn’t and it’s unclear Marx himself was all that wedded to it. What makes someone Marxist in the sense I’m using it is believing in a zero sum view of human relations, inherent animosity between “classes,” and a lust for power.
Not Keynesianism.
There are people much smarter than me who know where these lines are drawn. I sincerely doubt any of these people are genuine marxists, but whatever that is... (Keynesians, perhaps?), it is antithetical to the basic capitalist concept of selling products to customers for the general welfare of all involved in
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Most Marxists don’t believe in Marx’s doctrines, his dialectical materialism and his economic analysis. Most Soviet leaders didn’t and it’s unclear Marx himself was all that wedded to it. What makes someone Marxist in the sense I’m using it is believing in a zero sum view of human relations, inherent animosity between “classes,” and a lust for power.
Not Keynesianism.
Posted by: Durak Kazyol at December 06, 2024 11:27 AM (AJ/bM)
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In addition, there seems to be an attitude that any job that doesn’t require sitting at a desk with a computer monitor and spreadsheets is not worthy of a middle-class wage. That is, only “mind jobs” are worth paying a middle-class wage.
until we replace them with AI. think of the savings!
Posted by: CFO at December 06, 2024 11:25 AM (NGHTx)
Then the senior executives and C-suite can be replaced with Magic 8-Balls, for even more savings! Win-Win!
until we replace them with AI. think of the savings!
Posted by: CFO at December 06, 2024 11:25 AM (NGHTx)
Then the senior executives and C-suite can be replaced with Magic 8-Balls, for even more savings! Win-Win!
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf - Remember Vic and VNN! at December 06, 2024 11:27 AM (VNX3d)
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This has caused demand for accountants to skyrocket, at the same time that the available supply of accountants is at an all-time low.
Posted by: MrUNIVAC at December 06, 2024 11:24 AM (digQz)
So, what you're saying is that if I cared about money and wanted to work for soul-sucking corporate villains, I'd have a job tomorrow (I did a summer with the big 4 as an intern - that was enough for me, although they loved me)...
Posted by: MrUNIVAC at December 06, 2024 11:24 AM (digQz)
So, what you're saying is that if I cared about money and wanted to work for soul-sucking corporate villains, I'd have a job tomorrow (I did a summer with the big 4 as an intern - that was enough for me, although they loved me)...
Posted by: Nova Local at December 06, 2024 11:27 AM (exHjb)
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What, exactly, is the incentive for the C-Suite residents to invoke the woke?
It's money, right? Not stock performance. Not market share. Just old fashioned graft. Right?
Or, is it the pretty blond in HR with the big boobs and a daddy complex?
Or both....
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 06, 2024 11:08 AM (Q4IgG)
Insofar as money is concerned, their desire is likely to be disparity. They're fine with making a bit less than they could as long as you make much less than you could. That provides them with an ever widening separation betwixt themselves and the lesser. It's a story as old as time, more for people like me and less for others except that "people like me" is no longer defined by ancestry, nationality, or religion.
It's money, right? Not stock performance. Not market share. Just old fashioned graft. Right?
Or, is it the pretty blond in HR with the big boobs and a daddy complex?
Or both....
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 06, 2024 11:08 AM (Q4IgG)
Insofar as money is concerned, their desire is likely to be disparity. They're fine with making a bit less than they could as long as you make much less than you could. That provides them with an ever widening separation betwixt themselves and the lesser. It's a story as old as time, more for people like me and less for others except that "people like me" is no longer defined by ancestry, nationality, or religion.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 06, 2024 11:28 AM (ExV1e)
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I’m going to walk the tightrope. Of course, entry level jobs and unskilled, high turnover jobs are going to be low wage, but there are classes of jobs in service industries and manufacturing that require knowledge, experience and skill, but there is a disturbing corporate hostility to paying much above entry-level wages for these positions.
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You are correct. They seek the lowest possible wage, and when possible, they outsource to a lower cost country or location. The end state of labor savings from outsourcing is slavery. That is the lowest possible wage.
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You are correct. They seek the lowest possible wage, and when possible, they outsource to a lower cost country or location. The end state of labor savings from outsourcing is slavery. That is the lowest possible wage.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 06, 2024 11:28 AM (lTGtQ)
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Among the stakeholders? All those Of Color people you stole from to get your rich, cushy office chair. And Mother Gaia, don't forget her. She's a stakeholder too, you polluting SOB, you.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 06, 2024
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Oh, so imaginary people, or people totally unconnected with and not paid by your company.
Among the stakeholders? All those Of Color people you stole from to get your rich, cushy office chair. And Mother Gaia, don't forget her. She's a stakeholder too, you polluting SOB, you.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 06, 2024
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Oh, so imaginary people, or people totally unconnected with and not paid by your company.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2024 11:28 AM (J2vNu)
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>>Again I think a large part of that reason is lawfare.
I don't disagree. But the root of the problem is thousands of faceless bureaucrats in DC who have been unconstitutionally writing laws and regulations for years.
Get rid of the bureaucrats, the laws and regulations and you will see a huge drop in lawfare.
I don't disagree. But the root of the problem is thousands of faceless bureaucrats in DC who have been unconstitutionally writing laws and regulations for years.
Get rid of the bureaucrats, the laws and regulations and you will see a huge drop in lawfare.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 06, 2024 11:29 AM (LkLld)
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Then the senior executives and C-suite can be replaced with Magic 8-Balls, for even more savings! Win-Win!
In theory most of the work at the highest levels is deciding on where to spend your corporate assets based on estimated return on investment. That could be mostly AI driven and would likely produce about the same results.
Then the senior executives and C-suite can be replaced with Magic 8-Balls, for even more savings! Win-Win!
In theory most of the work at the highest levels is deciding on where to spend your corporate assets based on estimated return on investment. That could be mostly AI driven and would likely produce about the same results.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 11:29 AM (oZhjI)
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Lots of quiet part out loud lately. First Annette Benning about trans kids and now Peter Hotez went on MSNBC and said “we have a dozen viruses ready to go for January 21st”.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 06, 2024 11:29 AM (QZThv)
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Insofar as money is concerned, their desire is likely to be disparity. They're fine with making a bit less than they could as long as you make much less than you could
A recurring complaint of leftist elites is that too many normal people are showing up at their favorite vacation destinations.
When a plumber from OH can afford to go to the same fancy french restaurant as a C-suite guy what's the real value in being that C-suite guy right?
A recurring complaint of leftist elites is that too many normal people are showing up at their favorite vacation destinations.
When a plumber from OH can afford to go to the same fancy french restaurant as a C-suite guy what's the real value in being that C-suite guy right?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 11:30 AM (oZhjI)
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Christiane Amanpour
@amanpour
“Given the givens, [Bruce Willis] is in a very stable place at the moment,” says Demi Moore, who was previously married to him. “It’s very difficult and not what I would wish upon anyone, and there is great loss – but there’s also great beauty and gifts that can come out of it.”
@amanpour
“Given the givens, [Bruce Willis] is in a very stable place at the moment,” says Demi Moore, who was previously married to him. “It’s very difficult and not what I would wish upon anyone, and there is great loss – but there’s also great beauty and gifts that can come out of it.”
Posted by: Mister Ghost at December 06, 2024 11:30 AM (TGPs7)
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Re: Chronister
Suppose nobody recommended him. Maybe Trump saw an idiot goper in Florida that needed to be taken out so he shined a very bright light on him. Exposure bat hits one out of the park.
H/T to Tom on Merissa Hanson's substack
Suppose nobody recommended him. Maybe Trump saw an idiot goper in Florida that needed to be taken out so he shined a very bright light on him. Exposure bat hits one out of the park.
H/T to Tom on Merissa Hanson's substack
Posted by: DanMan at December 06, 2024 11:31 AM (8uzBS)
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An endless supply of cheap labor, with unlimited applicants to fill those high-turnover jobs, is far, far greater a cause of the "wages and salary expenses are too high" attitude.
They don't risk going out of business because they can't fill positions at the offered near-slave wages.
But they can keep forcing you to buy their ever more shitty products.
The most obscene stat is the one that shows productivity gains--benefit to the company--vs. wage increases over the last 40+ years.
Corporations have not taken those gains and invested them in the business; not in capital projects and sure as hell not employees.
They don't risk going out of business because they can't fill positions at the offered near-slave wages.
But they can keep forcing you to buy their ever more shitty products.
The most obscene stat is the one that shows productivity gains--benefit to the company--vs. wage increases over the last 40+ years.
Corporations have not taken those gains and invested them in the business; not in capital projects and sure as hell not employees.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 06, 2024 11:31 AM (/MJlQ)
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Lots of quiet part out loud lately.
What's difference between "saying the quiet part out loud," a "Kinsley gaffe," and a "Freudian slip?"
What's difference between "saying the quiet part out loud," a "Kinsley gaffe," and a "Freudian slip?"
Posted by: Bulg at December 06, 2024 11:31 AM (v6JzV)
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77 83 Eventually you find that the people that really understand the fundamentals of your business actually work elsewhere or for your competitors.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 11:31 AM (vd6bO)
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"mind jobs" are also running afoul of the "we're not paying for it" mentality.
At my company, the entire IT staff is Indian. All of them. They work for peanuts on the dollar and while some of them are great to work with, most of them are just drones at work. They have no initiative, no drive, no free-thinking innovative type of "get it done" attitude. I know I sound like a racist here but ... by and large its what I've observed. I had a boss who was very much a control freak and didn't like it when I went outside his direct orders in an effort to try and make things work better in my department on my own initiative.
Anyways, I haven't had a meaningful pay raise since about 2019. Cost of living raises sure. But I'm still in the same ballpark I was in when I (re)joined my company in 2017.
At my company, the entire IT staff is Indian. All of them. They work for peanuts on the dollar and while some of them are great to work with, most of them are just drones at work. They have no initiative, no drive, no free-thinking innovative type of "get it done" attitude. I know I sound like a racist here but ... by and large its what I've observed. I had a boss who was very much a control freak and didn't like it when I went outside his direct orders in an effort to try and make things work better in my department on my own initiative.
Anyways, I haven't had a meaningful pay raise since about 2019. Cost of living raises sure. But I'm still in the same ballpark I was in when I (re)joined my company in 2017.
Posted by: Defenestratus at December 06, 2024 11:32 AM (E+OFi)
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Just saw a rumor (?) that Soto is resigning with the Yankees for 700 million.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at December 06, 2024 11:32 AM (LxER7)
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Peeking in….
Posted by: Piper at December 06, 2024 11:32 AM (pRpzT)
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Then the senior executives and C-suite can be replaced with Magic 8-Balls, for even more savings! Win-Win!
In theory most of the work at the highest levels is deciding on where to spend your corporate assets based on estimated return on investment. That could be mostly AI driven and would likely produce about the same results.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 11:29 AM (oZhjI)
I need to use more /sarc tags, I think. You're right, though, that the risk/ROI is probably easier to deal with programmatically than engineering or production work.
In theory most of the work at the highest levels is deciding on where to spend your corporate assets based on estimated return on investment. That could be mostly AI driven and would likely produce about the same results.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 11:29 AM (oZhjI)
I need to use more /sarc tags, I think. You're right, though, that the risk/ROI is probably easier to deal with programmatically than engineering or production work.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf - Remember Vic and VNN! at December 06, 2024 11:33 AM (VNX3d)
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It seems the normative self-defense standard in NYC is you can along as you don't actually engage in any actual self-defense otherwise this would trial would have been decided in Penny's favor in 15 minutes. The second charge with a lesser standard is still up in the air; it is not looking good for him.
Note to self: Skip ever going to NYC.
Note to self: Skip ever going to NYC.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at December 06, 2024 11:33 AM (vO42M)
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I saw on X where Sen Mike Lee asked the Congressional Research Office(?) how many Federal laws there were. The answer came back as "unknowable" but at least > 300,000.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 06, 2024 11:33 AM (fs1hN)
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Just saw a rumor (?) that Soto is resigning with the Yankees for 700 million.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher
The Wide Latina? She'd better lose some weight and get in shape first.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher
The Wide Latina? She'd better lose some weight and get in shape first.
Posted by: Bulg at December 06, 2024 11:33 AM (v6JzV)
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It's worse than just the "mind jobs" getting middle class wages, and everyone else can hang.
The "managerial class" is a whole thing. I'm finding that companies are getting stuffed in the bloated middle with managers, who get the higher middle class wages and the power. The lower tier mind jobs, or the people actually doing the work farther down the totem pole, are the ones getting hung out to dry in this process. And the only way to get ahead in that culture is to advance to be management yourself. Become part of the managerial borg.
I suspect part of what Elon did to slash costs at X was to fire all the managers, plus the influencer slackers in the lower tier. Probably saved a bundle.
The "managerial class" is a whole thing. I'm finding that companies are getting stuffed in the bloated middle with managers, who get the higher middle class wages and the power. The lower tier mind jobs, or the people actually doing the work farther down the totem pole, are the ones getting hung out to dry in this process. And the only way to get ahead in that culture is to advance to be management yourself. Become part of the managerial borg.
I suspect part of what Elon did to slash costs at X was to fire all the managers, plus the influencer slackers in the lower tier. Probably saved a bundle.
Posted by: LizLem at December 06, 2024 11:33 AM (wcIbG)
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Re: Chronister
Suppose nobody recommended him
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I'm not buying that one. He's a good pal of Pam Bondi.
Suppose nobody recommended him
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I'm not buying that one. He's a good pal of Pam Bondi.
Posted by: one hour sober at December 06, 2024 11:34 AM (Y1sOo)
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There is an emerging corporate / private equity attitude that Salary & Wage Expense is a huge affront to a business’ financial objectives
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Which reflects stupidity among executives, since ultimately all costs are someone's labor.
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Which reflects stupidity among executives, since ultimately all costs are someone's labor.
Posted by: Methos at December 06, 2024 11:34 AM (Dnobf)
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The most obscene stat is the one that shows productivity gains--benefit to the company--vs. wage increases over the last 40+ years.
Corporations have not taken those gains and invested them in the business; not in capital projects and sure as hell not employees.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 06, 2024 11:31 AM (/MJlQ)
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You are probably missing one thing - the increased cost of health care. It has consumed huge amounts of potential wages, and Obamacare just made it worse. When you add that in, the picture looks quite a bit different. However, I will not argue with you on the margin as some employers take advantage of that and suppressed wages because sourcing allowed the to.
Corporations have not taken those gains and invested them in the business; not in capital projects and sure as hell not employees.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 06, 2024 11:31 AM (/MJlQ)
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You are probably missing one thing - the increased cost of health care. It has consumed huge amounts of potential wages, and Obamacare just made it worse. When you add that in, the picture looks quite a bit different. However, I will not argue with you on the margin as some employers take advantage of that and suppressed wages because sourcing allowed the to.
Posted by: Black JEM at December 06, 2024 11:34 AM (GZYu7)
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99 I saw on X where Sen Mike Lee asked the Congressional Research Office(?) how many Federal laws there were. The answer came back as "unknowable" but at least > 300,000.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 06, 2024 11:33 AM (fs1hN)
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Eliminating one law will lead to mass death of the populace.
Dare not touch it. In fact, better to add.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 06, 2024 11:33 AM (fs1hN)
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Eliminating one law will lead to mass death of the populace.
Dare not touch it. In fact, better to add.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 11:35 AM (GBKbO)
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Just saw a rumor (?) that Soto is resigning with the Yankees for 700 million.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher
The Wide Latina? She'd better lose some weight and get in shape first.
Posted by: Bulg at December 06, 2024 11:33 AM (v6JzV)
Are you sure she isn't going to become part of the field wall? Home Base Umpire?
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher
The Wide Latina? She'd better lose some weight and get in shape first.
Posted by: Bulg at December 06, 2024 11:33 AM (v6JzV)
Are you sure she isn't going to become part of the field wall? Home Base Umpire?
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf - Remember Vic and VNN! at December 06, 2024 11:35 AM (VNX3d)
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"...to corporations expecting labor without much compensation."
Corporations treat lower-level exempt employees the same way.
Corporations treat lower-level exempt employees the same way.
Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at December 06, 2024 11:35 AM (Rbu5d)
108
So, what you're saying is that if I cared about money and wanted to work for soul-sucking corporate villains, I'd have a job tomorrow (I did a summer with the big 4 as an intern - that was enough for me, although they loved me)...
Posted by: Nova Local at December 06, 2024 11:27 AM (exHjb)
You sure can! The problem is that the pay is nowhere near commensurate with the amount of effort, and since raising it would cut into partner comp, it's never going to happen. Also they're huge on outsourcing and proprietary systems now, so you're not going to learn anything useful except how to herd a team of 3rd worlders, unlike 10-20 years ago when we actually did everything ourselves and gained knowledge in the process.
Posted by: Nova Local at December 06, 2024 11:27 AM (exHjb)
You sure can! The problem is that the pay is nowhere near commensurate with the amount of effort, and since raising it would cut into partner comp, it's never going to happen. Also they're huge on outsourcing and proprietary systems now, so you're not going to learn anything useful except how to herd a team of 3rd worlders, unlike 10-20 years ago when we actually did everything ourselves and gained knowledge in the process.
Posted by: MrUNIVAC at December 06, 2024 11:36 AM (digQz)
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It's worse than just the "mind jobs" getting middle class wages, and everyone else can hang.
The "managerial class" is a whole thing. I'm finding that companies are getting stuffed in the bloated middle with managers, who get the higher middle class wages and the power. The lower tier mind jobs, or the people actually doing the work farther down the totem pole, are the ones getting hung out to dry in this process. And the only way to get ahead in that culture is to advance to be management yourself. Become part of the managerial borg.
I suspect part of what Elon did to slash costs at X was to fire all the managers, plus the influencer slackers in the lower tier. Probably saved a bundle.
Posted by: LizLem at December 06, 2024 11:33 AM (wcIbG)
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I think you will find that businesses are getting flatter, with broader spans of control, and fewer management levels. Technology has facilitated that quite a bit.
The "managerial class" is a whole thing. I'm finding that companies are getting stuffed in the bloated middle with managers, who get the higher middle class wages and the power. The lower tier mind jobs, or the people actually doing the work farther down the totem pole, are the ones getting hung out to dry in this process. And the only way to get ahead in that culture is to advance to be management yourself. Become part of the managerial borg.
I suspect part of what Elon did to slash costs at X was to fire all the managers, plus the influencer slackers in the lower tier. Probably saved a bundle.
Posted by: LizLem at December 06, 2024 11:33 AM (wcIbG)
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I think you will find that businesses are getting flatter, with broader spans of control, and fewer management levels. Technology has facilitated that quite a bit.
Posted by: Black JEM at December 06, 2024 11:36 AM (GZYu7)
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It ain't about woke but I hate the Just in Time inventory practices.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2024 11:14 AM (tK3Zm)
Yeah. JIT is another thing that works as long as it works but, if there's a hiccup it causes a trainwreck that takes forever to unwind. Too many things rely on too many other people who rely on too many other people, in some cases circular dependencies, and too few of the executives really understand how their business works. So they fuck it up and, eventually, that fucks everyone up. That's pretty much where we are today.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2024 11:14 AM (tK3Zm)
Yeah. JIT is another thing that works as long as it works but, if there's a hiccup it causes a trainwreck that takes forever to unwind. Too many things rely on too many other people who rely on too many other people, in some cases circular dependencies, and too few of the executives really understand how their business works. So they fuck it up and, eventually, that fucks everyone up. That's pretty much where we are today.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 06, 2024 11:36 AM (ExV1e)
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Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar
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To follow up on your Dune questions:
I looked it up. FTL travel was possible before spice, but it was done with computers. After the Butlerian Jihad, it became necessary to find an alternative. Arrakis had already been discovered and it quickly became evident that the effects of spice had these predeterminative powers that made FTL travel safer, quickly making spice and Arrakis the most important things in the universe. This was also how House Corrino cemented power and ruled for the next 10,181 years until Paul fucked that shit up something fierce.
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To follow up on your Dune questions:
I looked it up. FTL travel was possible before spice, but it was done with computers. After the Butlerian Jihad, it became necessary to find an alternative. Arrakis had already been discovered and it quickly became evident that the effects of spice had these predeterminative powers that made FTL travel safer, quickly making spice and Arrakis the most important things in the universe. This was also how House Corrino cemented power and ruled for the next 10,181 years until Paul fucked that shit up something fierce.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 11:37 AM (GBKbO)
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I was joking about AI, but the CEO of my company did have us purchase a license for a high level ChatGPT enterprise account in the hopes that it can quote "help reduce new hiring."
Posted by: brak at December 06, 2024 11:37 AM (NGHTx)
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Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
In case you needed a reminder: The Syrian rebels are very evil, and probably much worse than Bashar al-Assad.
Before Lindsey Graham, Barack Obama, and other interventionists sent us on a crusade to promote "regime change," 10% of Syrians were Christian. Today, less than 2% are. It wasn't Assad's government that did that. It was the "moderate rebels" that our government armed and enabled.
Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
In case you needed a reminder: The Syrian rebels are very evil, and probably much worse than Bashar al-Assad.
Before Lindsey Graham, Barack Obama, and other interventionists sent us on a crusade to promote "regime change," 10% of Syrians were Christian. Today, less than 2% are. It wasn't Assad's government that did that. It was the "moderate rebels" that our government armed and enabled.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at December 06, 2024 11:37 AM (TGPs7)
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Lots of quiet part out loud lately.
What's difference between "saying the quiet part out loud," a "Kinsley gaffe," and a "Freudian slip?"
Posted by: Bulg at December 06, 2024
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We used to have that neat expression, "Your Freudian slip is showing." But women don't wear slips much any more, do they?
According to the 'Net, a "Kinsley gaffe" is defined in terms of a *politician* saying something truthful he hadn't meant to let out. So Annette would not be doing a "Kinsley gaffe." But the other two seem kind of the same (except that the subtext of a "Freudian slip" is supposed to be connected with one's own psyche, biases, or neuroses, I think).
What's difference between "saying the quiet part out loud," a "Kinsley gaffe," and a "Freudian slip?"
Posted by: Bulg at December 06, 2024
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We used to have that neat expression, "Your Freudian slip is showing." But women don't wear slips much any more, do they?
According to the 'Net, a "Kinsley gaffe" is defined in terms of a *politician* saying something truthful he hadn't meant to let out. So Annette would not be doing a "Kinsley gaffe." But the other two seem kind of the same (except that the subtext of a "Freudian slip" is supposed to be connected with one's own psyche, biases, or neuroses, I think).
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 06, 2024 11:37 AM (J2vNu)
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Firstly, y’all know and love an ex-HR exec. We are not all admins on steroids. I am actually a business person first and foremost, which is why I still get consulted. Oh, and I freely admit to being a rabid labor relations person, it’s where my heart always is in the realm of HR.
Secondly, there is a male senior exec right upstairs who leads HR and Finance because he is crazy good at both. He can also be a jerk. In fact…nevermind. 😃. I will leave it at woke he is not. At all. And just dismantled his orgs DEI group.
Secondly, there is a male senior exec right upstairs who leads HR and Finance because he is crazy good at both. He can also be a jerk. In fact…nevermind. 😃. I will leave it at woke he is not. At all. And just dismantled his orgs DEI group.
Posted by: Piper at December 06, 2024 11:37 AM (pRpzT)
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Your daily Atlantic is rich:
"Trump’s Fans Are Suffering From Tony Soprano Syndrome BY ADAM SERWER
Some conservatives are embracing the villains in what are supposed to be cautionary tales."
This is some supreme gaslighting right here. The left is all about the antihero! Tony soprano was a god to them! But now we crazy conservatives are insane if we follow their examples, and go to the mattresses and make people offers they can't refuse.
Now, that they've lost power and influence, they are all MACTA: make antiheroes cautionary tales again.
"Trump’s Fans Are Suffering From Tony Soprano Syndrome BY ADAM SERWER
Some conservatives are embracing the villains in what are supposed to be cautionary tales."
This is some supreme gaslighting right here. The left is all about the antihero! Tony soprano was a god to them! But now we crazy conservatives are insane if we follow their examples, and go to the mattresses and make people offers they can't refuse.
Now, that they've lost power and influence, they are all MACTA: make antiheroes cautionary tales again.
Posted by: LizLem at December 06, 2024 11:38 AM (wcIbG)
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Leaking the names of jurors -- the first step in doxxing. And yet murderers under 18 are anonymous.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 06, 2024 11:38 AM (wBaIH)
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All of which was inevitable. And the problem is partly of our side's doing. "Meritocracy" really means "people like us" should get rewards.
The whole thing is infected with a class-conflict based model of human relations, which has been growing since Marx (actually a bit before). But that's the only way most people can see the world, so waddaya?
The whole thing is infected with a class-conflict based model of human relations, which has been growing since Marx (actually a bit before). But that's the only way most people can see the world, so waddaya?
Posted by: Eeyore at December 06, 2024 11:38 AM (1bNHn)
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Nah, you're wrong. This generation just doesn't want to work! They're lazy! They should be thankful for getting entry-level pay that was the national average in 1997 in unadjusted dollars!
Posted by: Somewhere in the middle lies the truth at December 06, 2024 11:38 AM (dMtzC)
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I remember going to an HR mandated session on sexual harassment led by one of the HR employees. She was a pretty blonde woman and decided that for this session she should wear a transparent shirt (but with a bra of course) and a pair of pants so tight you could see her thong.
I studiously looked at the projector screen but I assumed she did this intentionally to find people to get in trouble...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 11:15 AM (oZhjI)
I'd have looked at her and, if asked about it, replied that if someone goes to that much effort to advertise I feel obliged to consider the merchandise. Of course, I'm ready to retire so others may do differently.
I studiously looked at the projector screen but I assumed she did this intentionally to find people to get in trouble...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 11:15 AM (oZhjI)
I'd have looked at her and, if asked about it, replied that if someone goes to that much effort to advertise I feel obliged to consider the merchandise. Of course, I'm ready to retire so others may do differently.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 06, 2024 11:39 AM (ExV1e)
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108 ...unlike 10-20 years ago when we actually did everything ourselves and gained knowledge in the process.
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Very Big Deal, that. We are screwing ourselves every time we outsource or undervalue the fundamentals/core capabilities of a business.
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Very Big Deal, that. We are screwing ourselves every time we outsource or undervalue the fundamentals/core capabilities of a business.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 11:39 AM (vd6bO)
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Crown molding is awesome. As is wainscotting.
Posted by: SFGoth at December 06, 2024 11:39 AM (KAi1n)
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Firstly, y’all know and love an ex-HR exec. We are not all admins on steroids. I am actually a business person first and foremost, which is why I still get consulted. Oh, and I freely admit to being a rabid labor relations person, it’s where my heart always is in the realm of HR.
Secondly, there is a male senior exec right upstairs who leads HR and Finance because he is crazy good at both. He can also be a jerk. In fact…nevermind. 😃. I will leave it at woke he is not. At all. And just dismantled his orgs DEI group.
Posted by: Piper at December 06, 2024 11:37 AM (pRpzT)
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A labor relations veteran? Which unions did you fight with?
Secondly, there is a male senior exec right upstairs who leads HR and Finance because he is crazy good at both. He can also be a jerk. In fact…nevermind. 😃. I will leave it at woke he is not. At all. And just dismantled his orgs DEI group.
Posted by: Piper at December 06, 2024 11:37 AM (pRpzT)
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A labor relations veteran? Which unions did you fight with?
Posted by: Black JEM at December 06, 2024 11:41 AM (GZYu7)
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Libs of TikTok
@libsoftiktok
Antwone Washington, the head football coach at @valley_vikings in NV, was arrested after he allegedly filmed videos of himself peeing on and having s*x with students.
Washington now faces 9 felony charges and his bail was set at $100,000.
Who is in charge of vetting in this school??
Libs of TikTok
@libsoftiktok
Antwone Washington, the head football coach at @valley_vikings in NV, was arrested after he allegedly filmed videos of himself peeing on and having s*x with students.
Washington now faces 9 felony charges and his bail was set at $100,000.
Who is in charge of vetting in this school??
Posted by: Mister Ghost at December 06, 2024 11:41 AM (TGPs7)
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They don't risk going out of business because they can't fill positions at the offered near-slave wages.
But they can keep forcing you to buy their ever more shitty products.
The most obscene stat is the one that shows productivity gains--benefit to the company--vs. wage increases over the last 40+ years.
Corporations have not taken those gains and invested them in the business; not in capital projects and sure as hell not employees.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
You know what is hurting my industry right now? The lack of production employees that are willing to take the job, and turnover amongst those that do sign on. Training costs are through the roof as we cycle through employees. If they paid a little more, it would more than offset the cost.
But they can keep forcing you to buy their ever more shitty products.
The most obscene stat is the one that shows productivity gains--benefit to the company--vs. wage increases over the last 40+ years.
Corporations have not taken those gains and invested them in the business; not in capital projects and sure as hell not employees.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
You know what is hurting my industry right now? The lack of production employees that are willing to take the job, and turnover amongst those that do sign on. Training costs are through the roof as we cycle through employees. If they paid a little more, it would more than offset the cost.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 06, 2024 11:41 AM (lTGtQ)
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122 Crown molding is awesome. As is wainscotting.
Posted by: SFGoth at December 06, 2024 11:39 AM (KAi1n)
Watch out for the Killer Sheep behind the wainscotting.
Posted by: SFGoth at December 06, 2024 11:39 AM (KAi1n)
Watch out for the Killer Sheep behind the wainscotting.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at December 06, 2024 11:41 AM (LxER7)
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I intend to read the book (ahem, Santa) ...
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... formerly known as "The Big Guy."
[h/t Stateless]
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... formerly known as "The Big Guy."
[h/t Stateless]
Posted by: ShainS -- I heard that James Carville is a Scientologist as well as Pederast at December 06, 2024 11:42 AM (/6TY1)
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I looked it up. FTL travel was possible before spice, but it was done with computers. After the Butlerian Jihad, it became necessary to find an alternative. Arrakis had already been discovered and it quickly became evident that the effects of spice had these predeterminative powers that made FTL travel safer, quickly making spice and Arrakis the most important things in the universe. This was also how House Corrino cemented power and ruled for the next 10,181 years until Paul fucked that shit up something fierce.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 11:37 AM (GBKbO)
Well.......that certainly came out of nowhere.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 11:37 AM (GBKbO)
Well.......that certainly came out of nowhere.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at December 06, 2024 11:42 AM (g8Ew8)
Posted by: Grandpa Simpson at December 06, 2024 11:42 AM (dg+HA)
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Sen Joni Ernst is a complete phony bitch. She's sinking Hegseth because she wants the Sec Def job.
She had no problem confirming that hack Austin though.
Sen Joni Ernst is a complete phony bitch. She's sinking Hegseth because she wants the Sec Def job.
She had no problem confirming that hack Austin though.
Posted by: Frank Barone at December 06, 2024 11:42 AM (+oR7L)
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I remember going to an HR mandated session on sexual harassment led by one of the HR employees. She was a pretty blonde woman and decided that for this session she should wear a transparent shirt (but with a bra of course) and a pair of pants so tight you could see her thong.
I studiously looked at the projector screen but I assumed she did this intentionally to find people to get in trouble...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 11:15 AM (oZhjI)
I'd have looked at her and, if asked about it, replied that if someone goes to that much effort to advertise I feel obliged to consider the merchandise. Of course, I'm ready to retire so others may do differently.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 06, 2024 11:39 AM (ExV1e)
Or, looked her up and down, rolled my eyes, shook my head no in disbelief, then harrumphed in dismissal. If asked, say that I didn't think it was permissible to dress like a prostitute at work and ask how to report a violation of the dress code.
I studiously looked at the projector screen but I assumed she did this intentionally to find people to get in trouble...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 11:15 AM (oZhjI)
I'd have looked at her and, if asked about it, replied that if someone goes to that much effort to advertise I feel obliged to consider the merchandise. Of course, I'm ready to retire so others may do differently.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 06, 2024 11:39 AM (ExV1e)
Or, looked her up and down, rolled my eyes, shook my head no in disbelief, then harrumphed in dismissal. If asked, say that I didn't think it was permissible to dress like a prostitute at work and ask how to report a violation of the dress code.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf - Remember Vic and VNN! at December 06, 2024 11:43 AM (VNX3d)
132
You know what is hurting my industry right now? The lack of production employees that are willing to take the job, and turnover amongst those that do sign on. Training costs are through the roof as we cycle through employees. If they paid a little more, it would more than offset the cost.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 06, 2024 11:41 AM (lTGtQ)
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You need to factor in recruitment costs - which most CFOs don't like to think about because they can't put it on a spreadsheet per position. They just worry about the fully loaded cost of an employee.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 06, 2024 11:41 AM (lTGtQ)
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You need to factor in recruitment costs - which most CFOs don't like to think about because they can't put it on a spreadsheet per position. They just worry about the fully loaded cost of an employee.
Posted by: Black JEM at December 06, 2024 11:43 AM (GZYu7)
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What a shitshow of a day.
Of course, entry level jobs and unskilled, high turnover jobs are going to be low wage, but there are classes of jobs in service industries and manufacturing that require knowledge, experience and skill, but there is a disturbing corporate hostility to paying much above entry-level wages for these positions.
Pay those jobs shit wages. Watch the sudden turnover. Watch the lack of continuity and consistency because those that know have left.
Then watch the business crater.
Of course, entry level jobs and unskilled, high turnover jobs are going to be low wage, but there are classes of jobs in service industries and manufacturing that require knowledge, experience and skill, but there is a disturbing corporate hostility to paying much above entry-level wages for these positions.
Pay those jobs shit wages. Watch the sudden turnover. Watch the lack of continuity and consistency because those that know have left.
Then watch the business crater.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 06, 2024 11:44 AM (6b9nv)
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122 Crown molding is awesome. As is wainscotting.
Posted by: SFGoth at December 06, 2024 11:39 AM
Beautiful, but a complete pain in the ass to cut and get placed correctly. My brain hurts after doing all the reverse cuts and there is plenty of wasted pieces before I'm done.
Posted by: SFGoth at December 06, 2024 11:39 AM
Beautiful, but a complete pain in the ass to cut and get placed correctly. My brain hurts after doing all the reverse cuts and there is plenty of wasted pieces before I'm done.
Posted by: Frank Barone at December 06, 2024 11:44 AM (+oR7L)
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The trend toward corporate wokeness began in the late 1980s and the 1990s ...
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This is true, and I was on the bleeding edge of it working for corporations in and around the "politically correct" Silicon Valley and Bay Area during that time.
The nightmarish stories I could tell -- and have told -- here and elsewhere ...
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This is true, and I was on the bleeding edge of it working for corporations in and around the "politically correct" Silicon Valley and Bay Area during that time.
The nightmarish stories I could tell -- and have told -- here and elsewhere ...
Posted by: ShainS -- I heard that James Carville is a Scientologist as well as Pederast at December 06, 2024 11:45 AM (/6TY1)
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116 Your daily Atlantic is rich:
"Trump’s Fans Are Suffering From Tony Soprano Syndrome BY ADAM SERWER
Some conservatives are embracing the villains in what are supposed to be cautionary tales."
This is some supreme gaslighting right here. The left is all about the antihero! Tony soprano was a god to them! But now we crazy conservatives are insane if we follow their examples, and go to the mattresses and make people offers they can't refuse.
Now, that they've lost power and influence, they are all MACTA: make antiheroes cautionary tales again.
Posted by: LizLem at December 06, 2024 11:38 AM (wcIbG)
Omg..... while they cheer on the uhc murderer
"Trump’s Fans Are Suffering From Tony Soprano Syndrome BY ADAM SERWER
Some conservatives are embracing the villains in what are supposed to be cautionary tales."
This is some supreme gaslighting right here. The left is all about the antihero! Tony soprano was a god to them! But now we crazy conservatives are insane if we follow their examples, and go to the mattresses and make people offers they can't refuse.
Now, that they've lost power and influence, they are all MACTA: make antiheroes cautionary tales again.
Posted by: LizLem at December 06, 2024 11:38 AM (wcIbG)
Omg..... while they cheer on the uhc murderer
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 06, 2024 11:45 AM (OA79/)
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132 You need to factor in recruitment costs...
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Correct, of course, but nothing lessens recuitment costs like having a reputation for paying well.
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Correct, of course, but nothing lessens recuitment costs like having a reputation for paying well.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 11:45 AM (vd6bO)
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All of which was inevitable. And the problem is partly of our side's doing. "Meritocracy" really means "people like us" should get rewards.
The whole thing is infected with a class-conflict based model of human relations, which has been growing since Marx (actually a bit before). But that's the only way most people can see the world, so waddaya?
Posted by: Eeyore at December 06, 2024 11:38 AM (1bNHn)
The longer I live the more I realize that "meritocracy" was 85% bullshit. It's not what you can do that matters, it's who likes you.
The whole thing is infected with a class-conflict based model of human relations, which has been growing since Marx (actually a bit before). But that's the only way most people can see the world, so waddaya?
Posted by: Eeyore at December 06, 2024 11:38 AM (1bNHn)
The longer I live the more I realize that "meritocracy" was 85% bullshit. It's not what you can do that matters, it's who likes you.
Posted by: Something to keep the rubes working hard for the system at December 06, 2024 11:45 AM (dMtzC)
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HRs are too to blame but yes the buck stops at the CEO's office and yes some woke CEOs are to blame too. But the majority of this comes from HR.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at December 06, 2024 11:45 AM (17s+e)
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117
‘ Leaking the names of jurors -- the first step in doxxing’
Does anyone else think that leaking the jurors names is a violation of their civil rights? And could be federally prosecuted?
‘ Leaking the names of jurors -- the first step in doxxing’
Does anyone else think that leaking the jurors names is a violation of their civil rights? And could be federally prosecuted?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 06, 2024 11:45 AM (jbnUc)
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130
Sen Joni Ernst is a complete phony bitch. She's sinking Hegseth because she wants the Sec Def job.
She had no problem confirming that hack Austin though.
Posted by: Frank Barone at December 06, 2024 11:42 AM (+oR7L)
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I'm getting the sense that Trump thinks it's a bluff and is calling it.
Ernst is definitely not getting the SecDef job no matter what now, and with Trump having such influence in the party, combined with Musk's money, there's a real chance that this sort of thing could ignite a real primary challenge against Ernst that leads to her losing in 2 years.
Sen Joni Ernst is a complete phony bitch. She's sinking Hegseth because she wants the Sec Def job.
She had no problem confirming that hack Austin though.
Posted by: Frank Barone at December 06, 2024 11:42 AM (+oR7L)
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I'm getting the sense that Trump thinks it's a bluff and is calling it.
Ernst is definitely not getting the SecDef job no matter what now, and with Trump having such influence in the party, combined with Musk's money, there's a real chance that this sort of thing could ignite a real primary challenge against Ernst that leads to her losing in 2 years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 11:45 AM (GBKbO)
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114 what was the point of a women's slip? Cover the contours of her ass, like modesty? Was that the point of bustles? Or to accentuate like a push up bra.
The past is a mystery, we don't go there anymore.
The past is a mystery, we don't go there anymore.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 06, 2024 11:45 AM (wBaIH)
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I hate the Just in Time inventory practices.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
Just in time was invented by accountants. Measuring value by having nothing on the shelf to sell. I fight that battle daily.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
Just in time was invented by accountants. Measuring value by having nothing on the shelf to sell. I fight that battle daily.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 06, 2024 11:45 AM (lTGtQ)
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Probably already discussed, but there was a push to block companies from getting financial assistance, loans and whatnot unless they adopted and embraced DEI/woke policies. So it might not, strictly speaking, be 'just' the C-Suite jerkoffs that went woke. They may have been coerced into it.
But it begs the question, "who got to the financial C-Suite jerkoffs to make it their lending policies?"
The answer always seems to be the feds.
But it begs the question, "who got to the financial C-Suite jerkoffs to make it their lending policies?"
The answer always seems to be the feds.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 06, 2024 11:46 AM (Q4IgG)
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A labor relations veteran? Which unions did you fight with?
Posted by: Black JEM at
USW (a YouTube video exists wishing me blasted to the moon, I locked them out, twice)
UAW (locked them out once)
IBEW
UFCW
IAM
UA
Teamsters
ICWUC
Posted by: Black JEM at
USW (a YouTube video exists wishing me blasted to the moon, I locked them out, twice)
UAW (locked them out once)
IBEW
UFCW
IAM
UA
Teamsters
ICWUC
Posted by: Piper at December 06, 2024 11:47 AM (pRpzT)
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It's called inventory cost.
Posted by: The Accounting Department at December 06, 2024 11:47 AM (dg+HA)
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Correct, of course, but nothing lessens recuitment costs like having a reputation for paying well.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 11:45 AM (vd6bO)
......or creating kick-ass products.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 11:45 AM (vd6bO)
......or creating kick-ass products.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at December 06, 2024 11:47 AM (g8Ew8)
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Or, is it the pretty blond in HR with the big boobs and a daddy complex?
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I've never seen one of those. I have seen 95% morbidly obese black and Hispanic women in HR... but I'm in Kalifornia.
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I've never seen one of those. I have seen 95% morbidly obese black and Hispanic women in HR... but I'm in Kalifornia.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at December 06, 2024 11:47 AM (17s+e)
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But it begs the question, "who got to the financial C-Suite jerkoffs to make it their lending policies?"
The answer always seems to be the feds.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
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We prefer the term 'silent partner'.
The answer always seems to be the feds.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
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We prefer the term 'silent partner'.
Posted by: The Regulators at December 06, 2024 11:47 AM (fs1hN)
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Congressional Research Service (CRS), the part of the Library of Congress that directly serves Congress' info and research needs. Very handy resource when you're on the Hill.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 06, 2024 11:47 AM (1m82a)
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... and became “official” in 2019, when JP Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon, as head of the Business Roundtable, declared that “shareholder capitalism” was dead, to be replaced by a new standard of corporate responsibility, styled “stakeholder capitalism.”
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The same Jamie Dimon being rumored (#FakeNews?) for a gig in Trump's Administration?
Yeah, hard pass ...
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The same Jamie Dimon being rumored (#FakeNews?) for a gig in Trump's Administration?
Yeah, hard pass ...
Posted by: ShainS -- I heard that James Carville is a Scientologist as well as Pederast at December 06, 2024 11:48 AM (/6TY1)
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This is why Musk is troubling.
For once, someone of stature and influence seems to be suggesting that if the HR director, the corporate executive or other clerical worker doesn't show up to work, life will go on just so long as the worker drones show up,
But if the worker drones don't show up....well, we've got a problem.
So Musk has identified that the wasteful labor costs aren't in the area of worker drones, but in the clerical positions.
This has them shitting their pants.
For once, someone of stature and influence seems to be suggesting that if the HR director, the corporate executive or other clerical worker doesn't show up to work, life will go on just so long as the worker drones show up,
But if the worker drones don't show up....well, we've got a problem.
So Musk has identified that the wasteful labor costs aren't in the area of worker drones, but in the clerical positions.
This has them shitting their pants.
Posted by: Reality at December 06, 2024 11:48 AM (vyhyH)
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Very Big Deal, that. We are screwing ourselves every time we outsource or undervalue the fundamentals/core capabilities of a business.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 11:39 AM (vd6bO)
But the rich are getting richer, and there are unemployed 10yos in Africa just waiting to be "hired". /s
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 11:39 AM (vd6bO)
But the rich are getting richer, and there are unemployed 10yos in Africa just waiting to be "hired". /s
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 06, 2024 11:48 AM (2NXcZ)
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I'm getting the sense that Trump thinks it's a bluff and is calling it.
Ernst is definitely not getting the SecDef job no matter what now, and with Trump having such influence in the party, combined with Musk's money, there's a real chance that this sort of thing could ignite a real primary challenge against Ernst that leads to her losing in 2 years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024
Absolutely primary her. But that doesn't help us now if she decides to kamikazee him and be the next Liz Cheney. She can do the "girlpower" crap along with Collins, Murkowski, and company and torpedo Hegseth. How I hate the GOPe.
Ernst is definitely not getting the SecDef job no matter what now, and with Trump having such influence in the party, combined with Musk's money, there's a real chance that this sort of thing could ignite a real primary challenge against Ernst that leads to her losing in 2 years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024
Absolutely primary her. But that doesn't help us now if she decides to kamikazee him and be the next Liz Cheney. She can do the "girlpower" crap along with Collins, Murkowski, and company and torpedo Hegseth. How I hate the GOPe.
Posted by: Frank Barone at December 06, 2024 11:48 AM (+oR7L)
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Academia has been lost to leftism for decades. Woke graduates have not just infiltrated organizations, corporations and government after graduation, they have slowly risen to lead these entities. It's not HR's fault that Public Health behaved TERRIBLY during the pandemic, for example.
After 26 years in Public Health, I retired because all of our new hires are woke women with a bunch of certifications after their names. They are arrogant, they know it all, and are dismissive of any input. They ignore expertise and experience of their own people. I was called insubordinate for offering my understanding of a simple issue, and was transferred for mansplaining. The issue was simple: Our county could not find a Nursing Director (because we have developed a reputation as a terrible place to work). The big brains wanted to simply delete the position and merge it with the Public Health Director. But they didn't seem to know that the Nursing Director position is STATE MANDATED. For attempting to point this out, I was shipped out and later retired.
The stupid woman was fired and escorted out of the building by security. My only regret was that I wasn't there to point at her and laugh.
After 26 years in Public Health, I retired because all of our new hires are woke women with a bunch of certifications after their names. They are arrogant, they know it all, and are dismissive of any input. They ignore expertise and experience of their own people. I was called insubordinate for offering my understanding of a simple issue, and was transferred for mansplaining. The issue was simple: Our county could not find a Nursing Director (because we have developed a reputation as a terrible place to work). The big brains wanted to simply delete the position and merge it with the Public Health Director. But they didn't seem to know that the Nursing Director position is STATE MANDATED. For attempting to point this out, I was shipped out and later retired.
The stupid woman was fired and escorted out of the building by security. My only regret was that I wasn't there to point at her and laugh.
Posted by: Darth Chipmunk at December 06, 2024 11:48 AM (m0WlR)
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The past is a mystery, we don't go there anymore.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov
The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.
-- L. P. Hartley
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov
The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.
-- L. P. Hartley
Posted by: Bulg at December 06, 2024 11:48 AM (v6JzV)
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Correct, of course, but nothing lessens recuitment costs like having a reputation for paying well.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 11:45 AM (vd6bO)
......or creating kick-ass products.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at December 06, 2024 11:47 AM (g8Ew
Which nobody seems to do anymore.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 11:45 AM (vd6bO)
......or creating kick-ass products.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at December 06, 2024 11:47 AM (g8Ew
Which nobody seems to do anymore.
Posted by: Shit products + poor wages = C suite bonus! at December 06, 2024 11:49 AM (dMtzC)
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You’re not the only one whose position on these issues is evolving, buck. I am FAR more of a skeptic of corporate power than I used to be, thanks to the woke policy of so many corporate boardrooms, and especially the outright censorship of conservatives from big tech corporations. If unions move away from being little more than money laundering operations for the Democratic Party, I might be more inclined to support them.
Posted by: Caiwyn at December 06, 2024 11:49 AM (5MZNC)
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150 Congressional Research Service (CRS), the part of the Library of Congress that directly serves Congress' info and research needs. Very handy resource when you're on the Hill.
Posted by: rhomboid
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Thank you! That's who I meant in @99
Posted by: rhomboid
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Thank you! That's who I meant in @99
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 06, 2024 11:49 AM (fs1hN)
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I don’t know if any employee reflects on their job and evaluates whether they make money for the company or lose money. A net gain or loss .
I worked in claims and because we always payout money that department was subconsciously or maybe consciously crapped on. The sales people made the big bucks because they brought in money and it could be objectively measured.
I spoke to a lower level executive once about this and pointed out that I could be given authority up to 500k to settle a claim and if it was ultimately settled for that amount no one would blink an eye but if I settled it for 300k again no one takes notice that I ostensibly saved the company 200k. In fact , they will probably question why the authorization request was so high.
I worked in claims and because we always payout money that department was subconsciously or maybe consciously crapped on. The sales people made the big bucks because they brought in money and it could be objectively measured.
I spoke to a lower level executive once about this and pointed out that I could be given authority up to 500k to settle a claim and if it was ultimately settled for that amount no one would blink an eye but if I settled it for 300k again no one takes notice that I ostensibly saved the company 200k. In fact , they will probably question why the authorization request was so high.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2024 11:50 AM (D6PGr)
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This was also how House Corrino cemented power and ruled for the next 10,181 years until Paul fucked that shit up something fierce.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 11:37 AM (GBKbO)
Dat's my boy!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024 11:37 AM (GBKbO)
Dat's my boy!
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at December 06, 2024 11:50 AM (PiwSw)
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This is about us, isn't it?
Posted by: morbidly obese black and Hispanic women in HR at December 06, 2024 11:50 AM (dg+HA)
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Woke CEOs are more likely to genuflect to the World Economic Forum than the Mont Pelerin Society.
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And then there's Blackrock, Vanguard, and State Street who seemingly vote (by proxy) a majority stake of every major publicly-listed corporation.
An oligarchy, if you can keep it ...
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And then there's Blackrock, Vanguard, and State Street who seemingly vote (by proxy) a majority stake of every major publicly-listed corporation.
An oligarchy, if you can keep it ...
Posted by: ShainS -- I heard that James Carville is a Scientologist as well as Pederast at December 06, 2024 11:51 AM (/6TY1)
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And y’alldon’t want to hear this, but people quit their managers. Money is key. But if it’s comparable to industry standard, that is not what retains good employees. Sorry, but it’s true.
Posted by: Piper at December 06, 2024 11:51 AM (pRpzT)
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162 This is about us, isn't it?
Posted by: morbidly obese black and Hispanic women in HR at December 06, 2024 11:50 AM (dg+HA)
Hey, where I work, it's all fat white women and fat gay dudes.
Posted by: morbidly obese black and Hispanic women in HR at December 06, 2024 11:50 AM (dg+HA)
Hey, where I work, it's all fat white women and fat gay dudes.
Posted by: XTC at December 06, 2024 11:51 AM (UnA8+)
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"Shit products + poor wages = C suite bonus!"
Dang, that's good. Can I use that line at the Christmas (oh, sorry, I mean Holiday) party?
Dang, that's good. Can I use that line at the Christmas (oh, sorry, I mean Holiday) party?
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 11:52 AM (vd6bO)
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Thought-provoking article, Buck.
Thanks.
Chewing it over now, as someone who does sit in front of a computer all day for work
Thanks.
Chewing it over now, as someone who does sit in front of a computer all day for work
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 06, 2024 11:52 AM (xcxpd)
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Absolutely primary her. But that doesn't help us now if she decides to kamikazee him and be the next Liz Cheney. She can do the "girlpower" crap along with Collins, Murkowski, and company and torpedo Hegseth. How I hate the GOPe.
Posted by: Frank Barone
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The country voted for change and Joni Ernst is sticking her neck out in order to keep the status quo (she voted for Austin and Garland for cripes sake). Joni, the status quo is f-d up, why are you defending the indefensible?
Posted by: Frank Barone
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The country voted for change and Joni Ernst is sticking her neck out in order to keep the status quo (she voted for Austin and Garland for cripes sake). Joni, the status quo is f-d up, why are you defending the indefensible?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 06, 2024 11:52 AM (fs1hN)
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Sam Mena Jr 🇵🇸🏳️⚧️
@SamuelMenaJr
In October, I marched to the White House and lit my arm on fire to protest our governments role assisting in the crime of genocide. As a result, I lost my job as a photojournalist for a CBS affiliate.
I’ll be live on Instagram Saturday 5pmPST to discuss EVERYTHING. #CeasefireNOW
Sam Mena Jr 🇵🇸🏳️⚧️
@SamuelMenaJr
In October, I marched to the White House and lit my arm on fire to protest our governments role assisting in the crime of genocide. As a result, I lost my job as a photojournalist for a CBS affiliate.
I’ll be live on Instagram Saturday 5pmPST to discuss EVERYTHING. #CeasefireNOW
Posted by: Mister Ghost at December 06, 2024 11:52 AM (TGPs7)
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165 162 This is about us, isn't it?
Posted by: morbidly obese black and Hispanic women in HR at December 06, 2024 11:50 AM (dg+HA)
Hey, where I work, it's all fat white women and fat gay dudes.
Posted by: XTC at December 06, 2024 11:51 AM (UnA8+)
Diversity in action.
Posted by: morbidly obese black and Hispanic women in HR at December 06, 2024 11:50 AM (dg+HA)
Hey, where I work, it's all fat white women and fat gay dudes.
Posted by: XTC at December 06, 2024 11:51 AM (UnA8+)
Diversity in action.
Posted by: We're fat! We're gay! We want better pay! at December 06, 2024 11:53 AM (dMtzC)
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164 "But if it’s comparable to industry standard, that is not what retains good employees."
But simply "retain" shoud not be the goal.
But simply "retain" shoud not be the goal.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 11:53 AM (vd6bO)
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when JP Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon, as head of the Business Roundtable, declared that “shareholder capitalism” was dead, to be replaced by a new standard of corporate responsibility, styled “stakeholder capitalism.”
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Stakeholder capitalism is when you spread the beneficiaries of a corporation to people who have no relation to the company.
They are not employed there, nor are they the owners. Just other people who would like a cut in return for not blackballing the company.
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Stakeholder capitalism is when you spread the beneficiaries of a corporation to people who have no relation to the company.
They are not employed there, nor are they the owners. Just other people who would like a cut in return for not blackballing the company.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 06, 2024 11:53 AM (lTGtQ)
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You know all the same people telling us that Trump's tariffs will hurt Americans are the self-same assholes that, year after year, passed "free trade" deals that never, ever benefited Americans.
But all the big corporations sure as hell have made out like bandits.
But all the big corporations sure as hell have made out like bandits.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 06, 2024 11:54 AM (/MJlQ)
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Posted by: Shit products + poor wages = C suite bonus! at December 06, 2024 11:49 AM (dMtzC)
This nic says it all. How often, if your old enough, did you see American companies outsource and replace quality products with shit products that cost the same? That's why "vintage" American made products can command a huge premium. I was shocked the other day when I was shown a product description for pyrex coffee mugs, which "cannot be used for hot fluids, warm fluids only". IOW, they're made with inferior glass and might break. Made in China.
This nic says it all. How often, if your old enough, did you see American companies outsource and replace quality products with shit products that cost the same? That's why "vintage" American made products can command a huge premium. I was shocked the other day when I was shown a product description for pyrex coffee mugs, which "cannot be used for hot fluids, warm fluids only". IOW, they're made with inferior glass and might break. Made in China.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 06, 2024 11:54 AM (2NXcZ)
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Not sure return of unions is something to be desired. Not sure there are any United Farm Workers left - seems they are all United Auto Workers (i.e. not an outfit trying to secure minimum decent conditions for their members, but a ridiculous parasitical greedy monster helping destroy their industry). But could be wrong. Or the landscape could be so diverse in this respect that generalization is pointless.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 06, 2024 11:54 AM (1m82a)
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Corporations have always crapped on employees or been bad in other ways. It’s part of the negative aspect of capitalism. Mr. Potter isn’t just a 21rst century creation.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2024 11:54 AM (D6PGr)
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Dang, that's good. Can I use that line at the Christmas (oh, sorry, I mean Holiday) party?
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 11:52 AM (vd6bO)
Seasonal Celebration
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 11:52 AM (vd6bO)
Seasonal Celebration
Posted by: BignJames at December 06, 2024 11:54 AM (Yj6Os)
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@SamuelMenaJr
In October, I marched to the White House and lit my arm on fire to protest our governments role assisting in the crime of genocide. As a result, I lost my job as a photojournalist for a CBS affiliate.
I’ll be live on Instagram Saturday 5pmPST to discuss EVERYTHING. #CeasefireNOW
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Who bitch dis is?
In October, I marched to the White House and lit my arm on fire to protest our governments role assisting in the crime of genocide. As a result, I lost my job as a photojournalist for a CBS affiliate.
I’ll be live on Instagram Saturday 5pmPST to discuss EVERYTHING. #CeasefireNOW
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Who bitch dis is?
Posted by: Israel at December 06, 2024 11:54 AM (fs1hN)
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One thing the GOP should be doing, if it was an opposition party, is point out ALL of those productivity gains of the last 20 years went to someone outside of the American middle/working class.
Some of it went to the government, and a smaller amount it went to the oligarchs like Bezos.
Yes this is a variant on the class warfare theme the left always plays. And it does require the GOPe to actually do something about it now that they have power. I like the sound of "wage and price controls for the government" ALL levels of government - if Nixon could do it for the whole economy why not Trump for every level of government?
And when state environment commissions have the money and employees to raid some guy's house because they want to murder his pet squirrel, government at all levels has a ton of fat to cut...
Some of it went to the government, and a smaller amount it went to the oligarchs like Bezos.
Yes this is a variant on the class warfare theme the left always plays. And it does require the GOPe to actually do something about it now that they have power. I like the sound of "wage and price controls for the government" ALL levels of government - if Nixon could do it for the whole economy why not Trump for every level of government?
And when state environment commissions have the money and employees to raid some guy's house because they want to murder his pet squirrel, government at all levels has a ton of fat to cut...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 06, 2024 11:54 AM (oZhjI)
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HR has been the cat's paw, staffed by overeducated people who wouldn't be valuable to the executives anywhere else.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 06, 2024 11:55 AM (lhenN)
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166 "Shit products + poor wages = C suite bonus!"
Dang, that's good. Can I use that line at the Christmas (oh, sorry, I mean Holiday) party?
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 11:52 AM (vd6bO
Please feel free!
Dang, that's good. Can I use that line at the Christmas (oh, sorry, I mean Holiday) party?
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 11:52 AM (vd6bO
Please feel free!
Posted by: Go with my blessing at December 06, 2024 11:56 AM (dMtzC)
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Given what we now know about how the feds bought/forced censorship on the media, I would not be surprised if floating rate notes that corporations use to facilitate cash flow had DEI strings attached to them.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 06, 2024 11:56 AM (lTGtQ)
Posted by: Bulg at December 06, 2024 11:56 AM (v6JzV)
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‘ I marched to the White House and lit my arm on fire to protest’
Just your arm? Do you even care?
‘ I marched to the White House and lit my arm on fire to protest’
Just your arm? Do you even care?
Posted by: Charred retards for world peace and other stupid bullshit at December 06, 2024 11:57 AM (jbnUc)
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171 164 "But if it’s comparable to industry standard, that is not what retains good employees."
But simply "retain" shoud not be the goal.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December
Want to talk about engaged employees? Engaged does not mean happy, though it would be nice, of course. Engaged means cares about the work product, understands the business and understands the role they play in meeting goals and objectives. Who is responsible for that?
But simply "retain" shoud not be the goal.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December
Want to talk about engaged employees? Engaged does not mean happy, though it would be nice, of course. Engaged means cares about the work product, understands the business and understands the role they play in meeting goals and objectives. Who is responsible for that?
Posted by: Piper at December 06, 2024 11:57 AM (pRpzT)
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Over 100 Navy SEALS Set to Descend on Washington D.C. in Explosive Show of Support for Army Veteran Pete Hegseth
Posted by: SMOD at December 06, 2024 11:57 AM (RHGPo)
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183 Hence, Catbert, the evil HR director.
Posted by: Bulg at December
Do you even know how many catbert cartoons were taped to my office door? Lol.
Posted by: Bulg at December
Do you even know how many catbert cartoons were taped to my office door? Lol.
Posted by: Piper at December 06, 2024 11:58 AM (pRpzT)
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. I was shocked the other day when I was shown a product description for pyrex coffee mugs, which "cannot be used for hot fluids, warm fluids only". IOW, they're made with inferior glass and might break. Made in China.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 06, 2024 11:54 AM (2NXcZ)
You've heard my Thanksgiving Pyrex story...it's not allowed in my house now. Metal only for cooking b/c at least it won't explode - it'll just warp and bend if made badly...
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 06, 2024 11:54 AM (2NXcZ)
You've heard my Thanksgiving Pyrex story...it's not allowed in my house now. Metal only for cooking b/c at least it won't explode - it'll just warp and bend if made badly...
Posted by: Nova Local at December 06, 2024 11:58 AM (exHjb)
Posted by: Piper at December 06, 2024 11:59 AM (pRpzT)
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I have a best friend at work.
Posted by: The Gallup Engagement Survey at December 06, 2024 11:59 AM (dg+HA)
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Stakeholder capitalism is when you spread the beneficiaries of a corporation to people who have no relation to the company.
They are not employed there, nor are they the owners. Just other people who would like a cut in return for not blackballing the company.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
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Oh, it's a racket!
They are not employed there, nor are they the owners. Just other people who would like a cut in return for not blackballing the company.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
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Oh, it's a racket!
Posted by: Curly Howard at December 06, 2024 11:59 AM (fs1hN)
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BTW…. What’s going on with the longshoremen’s union? They gonna resume their strike?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 06, 2024 11:59 AM (k0PcD)
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The longer I live the more I realize that "meritocracy" was 85% bullshit. It's not what you can do that matters, it's who likes you.
Posted by: Something to keep the rubes working hard for the system at December 06, 2024 11:45 AM (dMtzC)
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Pay market rate. You know who your stars are. Pay those few what they need to stay happy and with you.
Pay for performance is total BS, and not supported by any hard evidence that it works. In fact it is typically a huge conflict generator.
Posted by: Something to keep the rubes working hard for the system at December 06, 2024 11:45 AM (dMtzC)
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Pay market rate. You know who your stars are. Pay those few what they need to stay happy and with you.
Pay for performance is total BS, and not supported by any hard evidence that it works. In fact it is typically a huge conflict generator.
Posted by: Black JEM at December 06, 2024 11:59 AM (GZYu7)
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HR people are like cops. They pretend to be your friends but aren't. They serve the authorities, not you. They want to get you talking so you can hang yourself. You should not talk to them without the assistance of legal counsel. Anything you say can and will be used as evidence against you.
Posted by: Thin pink line? at December 06, 2024 12:00 PM (dMtzC)
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AI isn't going to fix your car when it breaks down.
AI isn't going to install a new furnace in your house.
AI isn't going to fix your plugged sewer.
Folks who think AI is the be-all end-all are in for a ruuuuude awakening.
AI isn't going to install a new furnace in your house.
AI isn't going to fix your plugged sewer.
Folks who think AI is the be-all end-all are in for a ruuuuude awakening.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 06, 2024 12:00 PM (wtvvX)
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Off to the garage for a smoke...and a coffee/kahlua
Posted by: BignJames at December 06, 2024 12:00 PM (Yj6Os)
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Pay for performance is total BS, and not supported by any hard evidence that it works. In fact it is typically a huge conflict generator.
Posted by: Black JEM at December
The best way to avoid a union is act like you have one and pay hourly workers the same rate per job.
Posted by: Black JEM at December
The best way to avoid a union is act like you have one and pay hourly workers the same rate per job.
Posted by: Piper at December 06, 2024 12:00 PM (pRpzT)
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Posted by: Piper at December 06, 2024 11:57 AM (pRpzT)
I agree with that. I hated my job for 35 years but I took pride in my work product. That said I never lived to work but rather worked to live. My main interest was outside of work.
Also I see people entering the workforce today with unreasonable expectations and no concept of working your way up from the bottom.
I agree with that. I hated my job for 35 years but I took pride in my work product. That said I never lived to work but rather worked to live. My main interest was outside of work.
Also I see people entering the workforce today with unreasonable expectations and no concept of working your way up from the bottom.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at December 06, 2024 12:00 PM (D6PGr)
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You've heard my Thanksgiving Pyrex story...it's not allowed in my house now. Metal only for cooking b/c at least it won't explode - it'll just warp and bend if made badly...
Posted by: Nova Local at December 06, 2024 11:58 AM (exHjb)
No I haven't! Our Anchor Hocking does well, and so does the US made Corningware. I was stunned when I was told that many products are no longer dishwasher and microwave safe.
Posted by: Nova Local at December 06, 2024 11:58 AM (exHjb)
No I haven't! Our Anchor Hocking does well, and so does the US made Corningware. I was stunned when I was told that many products are no longer dishwasher and microwave safe.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn in January at December 06, 2024 12:01 PM (2NXcZ)
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The "managerial class" is a whole thing. I'm finding that companies are getting stuffed in the bloated middle with managers, who get the higher middle class wages and the power. The lower tier mind jobs, or the people actually doing the work farther down the totem pole, are the ones getting hung out to dry in this process. And the only way to get ahead in that culture is to advance to be management yourself. Become part of the managerial borg.
Once upon a time at my company, you didn't have to go into management to get ahead. Up until you hit the VP level, and there weren't a ton of them, engineers to move up the ladder and keep pace with managers. Those days are no more. Add to that the fact that the company will routinely layoff just a small enough percentage of old-timers to not run afoul of the law and you start to see the results everywhere.
Whatever. Long term considerations are passé. Only the next quarterly report matters.
Once upon a time at my company, you didn't have to go into management to get ahead. Up until you hit the VP level, and there weren't a ton of them, engineers to move up the ladder and keep pace with managers. Those days are no more. Add to that the fact that the company will routinely layoff just a small enough percentage of old-timers to not run afoul of the law and you start to see the results everywhere.
Whatever. Long term considerations are passé. Only the next quarterly report matters.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 06, 2024 12:01 PM (ExV1e)
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You know if you pretend lit yourself on fire once before, and then somebody actually lit you on fire for real, people might think you did it to yourself.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 06, 2024 12:01 PM (BI5O2)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Pledge in a Beanie at December 06, 2024 12:01 PM (xPJvm)
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A labor relations veteran? Which unions did you fight with?
Posted by: Black JEM at
USW (a YouTube video exists wishing me blasted to the moon, I locked them out, twice)
UAW (locked them out once)
IBEW
UFCW
IAM
UA
Teamsters
ICWUC
Posted by: Piper at December 06, 2024 11:47 AM (pRpzT)
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You made YouTube! Nice.
I mostly fought with the UAW, cut my teeth at GM. In a future life with another UAW unit they got so tired of losing arbitration cases against me they wanted carte blanche both sides pay provision - our contract was loser pays. After awhile they just stopped filing them.
Posted by: Black JEM at
USW (a YouTube video exists wishing me blasted to the moon, I locked them out, twice)
UAW (locked them out once)
IBEW
UFCW
IAM
UA
Teamsters
ICWUC
Posted by: Piper at December 06, 2024 11:47 AM (pRpzT)
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You made YouTube! Nice.
I mostly fought with the UAW, cut my teeth at GM. In a future life with another UAW unit they got so tired of losing arbitration cases against me they wanted carte blanche both sides pay provision - our contract was loser pays. After awhile they just stopped filing them.
Posted by: Black JEM at December 06, 2024 12:02 PM (GZYu7)
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BTW…. What’s going on with the longshoremen’s union? They gonna resume their strike?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
I've been wondering that, too. I heard something saying they were, but haven't heard anything else about it since.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
I've been wondering that, too. I heard something saying they were, but haven't heard anything else about it since.
Posted by: Bulg at December 06, 2024 12:02 PM (v6JzV)
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Nood. The UK and killing it's people.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 06, 2024 12:02 PM (ExV1e)
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Nood Euro.
Posted by: scampydog at December 06, 2024 12:02 PM (2bFN5)
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Having been a management-side employment lawyer for 30 years, I can tell you there's been a definite shift in HR over the last 10+ years. Previously, HR people were properly trained that their primary role was to protect the corporation first. If that meant protecting the employee, too, great, but that is entirely secondary to the primary role. That's largely not the case anymore. HR training/education now focuses on the woke hivemind and the employees must be protected at all costs or punished if they deviate even slightly from the hivemind. Back in the day, there used to be "Den Mother" HR directors who were overly protective of employees, but they still looked out for the company.
Of course, weak or woke executives are ultimately to blame for allowing this culture shift.
Of course, weak or woke executives are ultimately to blame for allowing this culture shift.
Posted by: Texas Cheesehead at December 06, 2024 12:03 PM (HCWri)
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One of the first things I learned as a new-hire from the old-timers, was: Personnel (now HR) is a tool of management.
I saw this proved during my 40-year career. It will always be so.
I saw this proved during my 40-year career. It will always be so.
Posted by: Gref at December 06, 2024 12:03 PM (aBgBM)
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This nic says it all. How often, if your old enough, did you see American companies outsource and replace quality products with shit products that cost the same? That's why "vintage" American made products can command a huge premium. I was shocked the other day when I was shown a product description for pyrex coffee mugs, which "cannot be used for hot fluids, warm fluids only". IOW, they're made with inferior glass and might break. Made in China.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn
I'm so old, I can remember when Wal Mart proudly displayed "Made in the USA" on the majority of their products sold.
Posted by: long night ending, dawn
I'm so old, I can remember when Wal Mart proudly displayed "Made in the USA" on the majority of their products sold.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 06, 2024 12:04 PM (6b9nv)
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Meh, I'll still blame HR. Hire people and take resumes of people they like and disappear the ones they don't. Cull the herd for the tendencies they do not like. Protect people they do like.
HR controls many things.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 06, 2024 11:04 AM (HsOwE)
I will draw Piper's wrath here by stating that the rot began when personnel managers reimagined themselves as "human resource managers". Sure, partly it was just puffery, to get a more impressive title on a business card, but it also allowed them to start meddling in all sorts of areas that traditional personnel departments would have never touched.
HR controls many things.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 06, 2024 11:04 AM (HsOwE)
I will draw Piper's wrath here by stating that the rot began when personnel managers reimagined themselves as "human resource managers". Sure, partly it was just puffery, to get a more impressive title on a business card, but it also allowed them to start meddling in all sorts of areas that traditional personnel departments would have never touched.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 06, 2024 12:04 PM (FfSlo)
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In October, I marched to the White House and lit my arm on fire to protest our governments role assisting in the crime of genocide. As a result, I lost my job as a photojournalist for a CBS affiliate.
I’ll be live on Instagram Saturday 5pmPST to discuss EVERYTHING. #CeasefireNOW
You have an arm? Luxury!
I’ll be live on Instagram Saturday 5pmPST to discuss EVERYTHING. #CeasefireNOW
You have an arm? Luxury!
Posted by: Michelle "Yorkshirewoman" Fields at December 06, 2024 12:04 PM (PiwSw)
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185 "
Want to talk about engaged employees? Engaged does not mean happy, though it would be nice, of course. Engaged means cares about the work product, understands the business and understands the role they play in meeting goals and objectives. Who is responsible for that? "
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The ones who said no bonuses again this year and a reduction in profit sharing and 401(k) contributions even though the organization is very profitable. The low-level managers tried to sell it as the company just aligning itself with industry standards. The common phrase in the discussion afterward was, "Well, now this is just a job."
I understand your point, but ain't one or the other - it's both.
Want to talk about engaged employees? Engaged does not mean happy, though it would be nice, of course. Engaged means cares about the work product, understands the business and understands the role they play in meeting goals and objectives. Who is responsible for that? "
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The ones who said no bonuses again this year and a reduction in profit sharing and 401(k) contributions even though the organization is very profitable. The low-level managers tried to sell it as the company just aligning itself with industry standards. The common phrase in the discussion afterward was, "Well, now this is just a job."
I understand your point, but ain't one or the other - it's both.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 12:04 PM (vd6bO)
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Ernst is definitely not getting the SecDef job no matter what now, and with Trump having such influence in the party, combined with Musk's money, there's a real chance that this sort of thing could ignite a real primary challenge against Ernst that leads to her losing in 2 years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024
Absolutely primary her. But that doesn't help us now if she decides to kamikazee him and be the next Liz Cheney. She can do the "girlpower" crap along with Collins, Murkowski, and company and torpedo Hegseth. How I hate the GOPe.
Posted by: Frank Barone at December 06, 2024 11:48 AM (+oR7L)
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It's also time for Thune/barasso to exercise the power they have and bring down the hammer on Ernst and the rest of misfit GOPers
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 06, 2024
Absolutely primary her. But that doesn't help us now if she decides to kamikazee him and be the next Liz Cheney. She can do the "girlpower" crap along with Collins, Murkowski, and company and torpedo Hegseth. How I hate the GOPe.
Posted by: Frank Barone at December 06, 2024 11:48 AM (+oR7L)
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It's also time for Thune/barasso to exercise the power they have and bring down the hammer on Ernst and the rest of misfit GOPers
Posted by: WisRich at December 06, 2024 12:04 PM (G0vdT)
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And y’alldon’t want to hear this, but people quit their managers. Money is key. But if it’s comparable to industry standard, that is not what retains good employees. Sorry, but it’s true.
Posted by: Piper at December 06, 2024 11:51 AM (pRpzT)
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Pay is rarely why people leave. Bossman is very high on the list of why they do.
Posted by: Piper at December 06, 2024 11:51 AM (pRpzT)
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Pay is rarely why people leave. Bossman is very high on the list of why they do.
Posted by: Black JEM at December 06, 2024 12:05 PM (GZYu7)
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Blame the colleges. That is where the problem started and from where it was launched. Because that's who you are pissed off at. If you were angry about milk quality, you'd blame that. They should have built that water carburetor. Buttons on shirts used to stay sewed on longer, and stamps were two cents.
Just so barbershop-waiting-chairs shallow, all day long.
Just so barbershop-waiting-chairs shallow, all day long.
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at December 06, 2024 12:05 PM (zdLoL)
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‘ then somebody actually lit you on fire for real, people might think you did it to yourself.’
Hahahaha!!
“I don’t know how he burnt up, officer. I guess he just liked being on fire.”
‘ then somebody actually lit you on fire for real, people might think you did it to yourself.’
Hahahaha!!
“I don’t know how he burnt up, officer. I guess he just liked being on fire.”
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 06, 2024 12:05 PM (jbnUc)
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The best way to avoid a union is act like you have one and pay hourly workers the same rate per job.
Posted by: Piper
That was the case at a summer job I had at an RV plant in 1988. To keep out the union, the owner started the pay scale at $6/hour. It enabled me to pay for the next semester of college myself. And I was only a broom-pusher on the custodial crew.
Posted by: Piper
That was the case at a summer job I had at an RV plant in 1988. To keep out the union, the owner started the pay scale at $6/hour. It enabled me to pay for the next semester of college myself. And I was only a broom-pusher on the custodial crew.
Posted by: Bulg at December 06, 2024 12:06 PM (v6JzV)
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Pay is rarely why people leave. Bossman is very high on the list of why they do.
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As well as resentment when Bossman gets 10% and the guy making things happen gets 1%.
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As well as resentment when Bossman gets 10% and the guy making things happen gets 1%.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 12:07 PM (vd6bO)
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"Mind Jobs" are the sort of elite positions college graduates expect to get. Highly trained and highly compensated at least for autonomy and independence -- Unlike the schlubs at Thriftway or a phone-agent bank where every action, moment and public contact is logged and reviewed, and now more so with AI watching.
the fact that such elite jobs are not sufficient to the degree holders being cranked out of the diploma mills means that there is a lot of pent up frustration that on the whole no one cares about. Musa al-Gharbi (a writer and academic) has stated that the one way the disappointed elites can get a movement together is to "become the elite leaders of a movement" and that is what BLM, MeToo, and occupy whatever was all about. The "leaders" turned out to hold higher degrees from prestige schools.
I would also point out that the first section of the French Revolution looked like that too -- The second part was about psychopaths building a culture mirrored on their own view of paradise.
the fact that such elite jobs are not sufficient to the degree holders being cranked out of the diploma mills means that there is a lot of pent up frustration that on the whole no one cares about. Musa al-Gharbi (a writer and academic) has stated that the one way the disappointed elites can get a movement together is to "become the elite leaders of a movement" and that is what BLM, MeToo, and occupy whatever was all about. The "leaders" turned out to hold higher degrees from prestige schools.
I would also point out that the first section of the French Revolution looked like that too -- The second part was about psychopaths building a culture mirrored on their own view of paradise.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 06, 2024 12:08 PM (D7oie)
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You're forgetting that a large part of the wage is BECAUSE of the unions.
The unions demand that you pay EVERYBODY the same wage.
They fight like fury to prevent you from actually paying experienced and high-performing employees anything other than the exact same rate everybody else gets, and fight just as hard to keep you from firing the bottom-of-the-barrel useless mouth breathers that produce a fraction of the output.
The unions demand that you pay EVERYBODY the same wage.
They fight like fury to prevent you from actually paying experienced and high-performing employees anything other than the exact same rate everybody else gets, and fight just as hard to keep you from firing the bottom-of-the-barrel useless mouth breathers that produce a fraction of the output.
Posted by: DudeAbiding at December 06, 2024 12:08 PM (setIA)
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BTW…. What’s going on with the longshoremen’s union? They gonna resume their strike?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
I have a meeting on that in an hour. Likelihood is that they will go back on strike. The issue isn't wages now, it is automation that will reduce the number of available jobs.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
I have a meeting on that in an hour. Likelihood is that they will go back on strike. The issue isn't wages now, it is automation that will reduce the number of available jobs.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 06, 2024 12:09 PM (lTGtQ)
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There is something to be said about meritocracy vs likability. I've heard in a number of corporate settings: "I don't care how often that prick hits quarterly numbers, _____ (company) finds a way to get rid of people like that."
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 06, 2024 12:09 PM (wBaIH)
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218 Again, it ain't only one or the other. Suppose the competitor makes you an unsolicited offer for 40% more than you currently make. Yes, it does happen.
Posted by: Don in SoCo who replies to his own comments at December 06, 2024 12:10 PM (vd6bO)
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Corporations have always crapped on employees or been bad in other ways. It’s part of the negative aspect of capitalism. Mr. Potter isn’t just a 21rst century creation.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
Is it, though? Or is it just a case of the folks on high lacking anything resembling a functioning moral compass?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
Is it, though? Or is it just a case of the folks on high lacking anything resembling a functioning moral compass?
Posted by: Brother Tim, Keeper of the Tim Continuum at December 06, 2024 12:13 PM (OUMaO)
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I will draw Piper's wrath here by stating that the rot began when personnel managers reimagined themselves as "human resource managers". Sure, partly it was just puffery, to get a more impressive title on a business card, but it also allowed them to start meddling in all sorts of areas that traditional personnel departments would have never touched.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 06, 2024 12:04 PM (FfSlo)
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This is a long time problem, title inflation, and your local HR office isn't behind that. Traditional HR or Personnel (I had that title once which shows how old I am) was typically very process focused. That's fine, but technology allows for that to be done much easier. A strong HR department should be now worried about how the human resource in the company is used. Where are my stars? What can I afford to pay versus market? What are my succession plans? How do I deal with benefits? That some fail to remember that and go off on "fads are us" tangents is just the difference between those of us who know what we are doing and those who don't.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 06, 2024 12:04 PM (FfSlo)
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This is a long time problem, title inflation, and your local HR office isn't behind that. Traditional HR or Personnel (I had that title once which shows how old I am) was typically very process focused. That's fine, but technology allows for that to be done much easier. A strong HR department should be now worried about how the human resource in the company is used. Where are my stars? What can I afford to pay versus market? What are my succession plans? How do I deal with benefits? That some fail to remember that and go off on "fads are us" tangents is just the difference between those of us who know what we are doing and those who don't.
Posted by: Black JEM at December 06, 2024 12:13 PM (GZYu7)
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It's also time for Thune/barasso to exercise the power they have and bring down the hammer on Ernst and the rest of misfit GOPers
Posted by: WisRich
AHAHAHAHAHAHA...good one...seriously, they're all on the same team, don'cha know...the one against us.
Posted by: WisRich
AHAHAHAHAHAHA...good one...seriously, they're all on the same team, don'cha know...the one against us.
Posted by: Brother Tim, Keeper of the Tim Continuum at December 06, 2024 12:15 PM (OUMaO)
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As well as resentment when Bossman gets 10% and the guy making things happen gets 1%.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 12:07 PM (vd6bO)
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Sometimes. And sure, if you can get a huge raise, why wouldn't you take it? I would expect you to. If I can't get close more money is worth it.
But that is not that common of a reason. If your pay is competitive to the market, you care much less about what anyone else makes.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 06, 2024 12:07 PM (vd6bO)
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Sometimes. And sure, if you can get a huge raise, why wouldn't you take it? I would expect you to. If I can't get close more money is worth it.
But that is not that common of a reason. If your pay is competitive to the market, you care much less about what anyone else makes.
Posted by: Black JEM at December 06, 2024 12:17 PM (GZYu7)
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Great article, and I would like to comment and expand on it.
Currently in the United States, American Engineers, who have at least a Bachelor's Degree at an accredited University, and forced to compete for our jobs with untrained, uneducated Indians with "certificates" from Diploma Mills who are under cutting Amercan Wages. They lie in all of this is that these Indians are highly skilled. They are not, they are only highly skilled in self-promotion and can't write code to save their lives. But bean counters think, hey, we can replace highly productive American engineers with 3 or 4 Indians and get more productivity, and it doesn't work - as a competent American Engineer is easily 10 to 20 times as productive as a diploma mill Indian.
Furthermore, we are lied to when they say the Indians coming in are good for the economy. They spend next to nothing here, instead sending all their cash back to India so that in 20 years they can retire back to India and live like Kings. The H1-B Visa system is EVERY BIT the scam that the "Dank yew for calling Microsoft" scam is.
Let us all hope that Donald Trump ends the H1-B Visa program and sends these people back home.
Currently in the United States, American Engineers, who have at least a Bachelor's Degree at an accredited University, and forced to compete for our jobs with untrained, uneducated Indians with "certificates" from Diploma Mills who are under cutting Amercan Wages. They lie in all of this is that these Indians are highly skilled. They are not, they are only highly skilled in self-promotion and can't write code to save their lives. But bean counters think, hey, we can replace highly productive American engineers with 3 or 4 Indians and get more productivity, and it doesn't work - as a competent American Engineer is easily 10 to 20 times as productive as a diploma mill Indian.
Furthermore, we are lied to when they say the Indians coming in are good for the economy. They spend next to nothing here, instead sending all their cash back to India so that in 20 years they can retire back to India and live like Kings. The H1-B Visa system is EVERY BIT the scam that the "Dank yew for calling Microsoft" scam is.
Let us all hope that Donald Trump ends the H1-B Visa program and sends these people back home.
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I blame HR at schools for hiring sexually confused blue-haired people who are way too interested in the sexuality of kids, maybe they are pressured by school managers to do so.
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My company did away with our office manager. Said we would be managed by someone 500 miles away who also managed 500 other employees. They then got rid of HR. Said employees could "self-manage" those functions.
The idea of admin is to support employees. Allow them to focus on the productive work. Getting rid of admin doesn't get rid of those functions - they just get transferred to the productive employees.
The idea of admin is to support employees. Allow them to focus on the productive work. Getting rid of admin doesn't get rid of those functions - they just get transferred to the productive employees.
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1) Never forget that OSHA, FMLA, Fair Labor Standards, FUCA, SUCA, SocSec, EEOC, (etc.), AND their State-level comparables have jacked up the costs of ALL U.S. labor, white- or blue-collar.
2) It's not necessarily just CEO's who dream up DEI & Greenie bullhockey all by themselves. Remember that they report to a Board which either explicitly or implicitly agrees with The Program.
1) Never forget that OSHA, FMLA, Fair Labor Standards, FUCA, SUCA, SocSec, EEOC, (etc.), AND their State-level comparables have jacked up the costs of ALL U.S. labor, white- or blue-collar.
2) It's not necessarily just CEO's who dream up DEI & Greenie bullhockey all by themselves. Remember that they report to a Board which either explicitly or implicitly agrees with The Program.
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If the HR lady has received an award for DEI, then she's the one driving the company toward DEI, not the C-suite.
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I think you are partly right, the old "HR rep" or what a lot of places now call "Business Partners" don't really have a say in all the DEI stuff, but HR is most definitely part of the C-suite in most enterprises. They teach this stuff as a must-have for employee retention and "well-being" but mostly it's HR telling the big boss that if you don't have these policies and this training you have unacceptable institutional risk. And that was true for a long time, let's just hope the opposite becomes true sooner rather than later.
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